================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 09:42:53 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Guide-ance If anyone has a copy of a Beckett Sports Collectibles Vintage magazine can you tell me the price guide value for a 1966 576 SP and a 1959 570? Thanks much. Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 11:01:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Resolutions Hope everyone had a safe and enjoyable New Years Eve and may any hangovers be mild. Some of you know that I do not partake of adult beverages so the only thing I had to take this morning is my vitamins and a few cups of coffee. Even during my indulging days of yesteryear I often left the New Years Eve Party scene to the amateurs. On to resolutions: In 2007 I resolve to establish collecting goals with a focus on My HOMie, Charlie Maxwell. I haven't paid much attention to ol Smokey of late. It's either get serious or change from the House of Maxwell to the House of Laxwell. Next I resolve to post parts of my wantlists periodically. I have to be realistic so I have decided to post quarterly rather then monthly. What days during the month do I post? I also resolve to become an ebayer. My wife is very active and set me up an account sometime ago that I have never used. I'm sure she can help me navigate through the system as she has had a lot of experience telling me where to go and how to get there. As an extension of the above, I resolve to re-employ my dupes box. It went from a box to a team card sleeve and my owe list is now in a 3 inch Speaking of owe, I further resolve to work on balancing the books. Receiving out performed shipping significantly in 2006 and I am committed to EEKing more OBCers this year. Have a great Bowl day. GO BLUE!!!! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 13:02:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Little help? My wife found an oak table on ebay that she wants to bid on. Problem is it's in the Balmer area and they will not ship, pick up only. Anyone in that area be willing to pick it up and ship to us? We know that is asking a lot & we would obviously pay all costs involved as well as compensate for time and energy expended. Or if you know a shipping Co. that would pick it up and ship it to us. Additional problem however is the the time factor. Only one day & about 8 hours left. If anyone can help out contact my wife, Phyllis at the cc address above and she will send you the ebay page with address ect. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:20:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Vintage Hockey Card Waiver Wire The following Hockey Cards are available to be claimed: 1977-78 Topps #'s 116 (VG/EX), 126 (EX+), 144 (VG), 1979-80 Topps in EX #'s 71 (2), 79 (Cashman), 94, 98 (Goring), 99 (2), 107, 119, 124, 149 (Rick Martin), 154, 163, 201, 248 (Colorado Rockies TC, CL unmarked) 1979-80 Topps in VG/EX (all are crease free, but have some corner wear) #'s 11, 22, 26, 47 (2), 60, 74, 79 (Cashman), 104, 115, 117 (2), 130 (Gillies), 137, 143, 147, 178, 187 (Mahovolich) , 190, 201, 202, 240 (Hedberg), 260 (Capital TC, CL on back marked) 1979-80 Topps in VG (all are crease free, but have corner wear) #'s 12, 37 (2), 51, 78, 107, 115, 117 (2), 173 (2), 176, 187 (Mahovolich) , 188 (2), 246 (Sabres TC, CL unmarked), 248 (Rockies CL unmarked), 251 (North Stars TC, 2 cards one with CL unmarked, other with it marked) 1979-80 Topps in G (creases, none too bad and corner wear) #'s 9, 57, 66, 71, 74, 104, 107, 126, 143 (2), 147, 176, 187, 188, 195 (2), 202, 207, 219, 241 (2) (Linseman), 248 (Rockies TC, CL unmarked) 1979-80 Topps in G (crease free, but there are tape marks) #'s 28, 111, 113, 154, 182, 221 1979-80 OPC in F # 383 1980-81 OPC in EXMT with names scratched #'s 206, 225, 285, 347, 348, 351, 378, 393 1980-81 Topps in EX+ with name unscratched # 117 (Penguins TC, CL 1980-81 Topps in NRMT with names scratched #'s 15, 46, 64, 137 (2) 1980-81 Topps in EXMT with names scratched #'s 15, 48, 69 (Mark Johnson RC), 70 (Leach), 108, 111, 152, 168 (Shutout Leaders), 185, 193 (Maple Leafs TC, CL unmarked), 197, 213 (Ramage) 1980-81 Topps in EX+ with names scratched #'s 38 (Sabres TC, CL unmarked), 52, 64, 81 (Marcel Dionne AS), 92, 109, 117 (Penguins TC, CL unmarked), 137, 146, 154, 159, 207, 211, 221, 259 (Rockies TC, CL unmarked) 1980-81 Topps in EX with names scratched #'s 1, 24 (Linseman), 45, 101, 117 (Penguins TC, CL unmarked), 128 (Canucks TC, CL unmarked), 159, 162 (Assist Leaders), 196, 207, 226, 243 1980-81 Topps in VG/EX with names scratched #'s 83, 100 (Phil Esposito), 200 (Bill Barber) 1981-82 Topps #'s 20 (Mike Liut in G, crease), 48 (NRMT, Flames TC), 53 (NRMT, Whalers TC), 64 (EX+, Canucks TC), 65 (EX, Capitals TC), 77 East (EX), 79 East (EXMT), 86 East (NRMT), 99 East (NRMT), 107 East (EXMT, Linseman), 128 East (VG/EX) ================= Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:44:36 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Subject: Cards For Trade Hi OBC'ers, I picked up some low grade 50'cards of HOF'ers over the holidays, upgraded my sets a little, and have some dupes for trade. I'd like similar low grade HOF'ers from my 50's and 60's needs from baseball or football. Let me know if interested and what you have to trade. Other than the two Willie Mays cards, I'd put all of these somewhere between Tipton ,poor, and maybe fair. Here's what I have to trade: 1952T 37 Duke Snider It's trimmed to the size of a 57 and newer 1954T 17 Rizzuto creases wear and writing 1954T 32 Duke Snider writing and wear 1954T 37 Whitey Ford writing and wear 1954T 132 Lasorda stains wear and writing 1955B 184 Willie Mays other than a few creases not a bad card 1955T 194 Willie Mays other than a few creases not a bad card 1957T 20 Hank Aaron no creases, but paper loss on each of the corners. 1957T 76 Roberto Clemente trimmed taped and repaired 1960T 350 Mickey Mantle creases and wear Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 16:46:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Happy New Year and some more goal-setting Hi all! A very happy start of 2007 to you all. The Boston skies celebrated with a half-inch of rain and forecast of 50+ for most of the week. In January? Wha? Anyway, 2006 wrapped up some great stuff for the collection. My 1952 set isnow (relatively) hard to hit! Added several pre-war sets, which I always enjoy for both the card styles and interesting Tipton effects from 70+ yearsof aging. 27 different #5s came off the type wantlist, including the oldest I've seen with a number, the 1909 E95 Chief Bender. OBCers passed along several of these, as well as hits to the Spike Owen and Steve Garvey player collections. For 2007, it'll be great to get about 15% into each of the new pre-war sets. 1941 Play Ball started fast, though--the list is already half gone. Down to twenty cards there would be great. Maybe I'll come across a guy selling a binder of them at a mall show or something... The short list sets are obviously harder to predict. Any chance of finding that last 1969 stamp (Rose)? Who knows? Fortunately, sets like 1950 Bowman will probably take 15% or so of top book on eBay for the last half-dozen. 1953 Topps, though...dang, those last few are expensive. Anyone need a riding lawnmower? (I keed, I keed.) Let's say the top goals are show-related. Hope to see familiar faces at theWarwick, RI show, maybe hit Philly again, and then catch everyone who comes to the National! That wantlist of three is my top priority... Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 18:53:36 -0600 From: "Mark Z" Subject: thanks to obc santa -Linda F thanks to my obc santa who sent me an awesome package that included: 60's team cards 80's John Riggins cards Mark McGwire cards thanks for the great variety, santa!! Mark Z ================= To: vct-vintagecardtraders.com@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 04:49:40 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Sad news in Southeastern Michigan My friends, It is with a sad heart that I must inform you of the passing of my brother Bruce Talbot. He passed away December 31, 2006 at Beaumont Hospital due to complications brought on by acute liver disease. Arrangements are being make through Sparks-Griffin Funeral Home, for those of you in Southeastern Michigan who are interested here is their address: Sparks-Griffin Funeral Home 46 Williams Street Pontiac, Michigan You can get full details, driving instructions and more by going to there link at: http://www.sparksgriffin.com/ We will have public visitation on Wednesday evening from 6 - 9 p.m. and a funeral mass on Thursday morning at St. Vincent's in Pontiac. If I am unusually slow getting back to you or am out of communication for a while you will all know why. VCT members remember that I am still not getting VCT mail (thanks to my ISP provider Comcast) so if you are trying to contact me you must send it to my personal email not the group email. BE WELL!!! Peace -------------- MARK S. TALBOT ================= To: Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:28:45 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: test Sorry for this test but I tried to post something yesterday that didn't go thru. ================= Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:54:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Prewar split up The other day I sent out a posting that I am picking up a stack of prewar cards and that I was looking for folks to split it with me. Cards were in 8 different sets. So I get E-mails from 7 OBCers covering each of the sets. Very little overlap in the requests, so hopefully folks lists are up to date. I am planning on picking up the lot before going to the visitation for Mark Talbot's brother Bruce tomorrow. I may not be able to get to the computer after visitation, but will do so soon. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 02:44:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: I'm slipping I was reviewing my wantlists on New Years. My running joke has been that I am working on over 500 sets. As it turns out, not counting variations and upgrades, I am working on 289 vintage card sets, plus 55 coke cap, coin sets. What floored me is that I have somewhere around 115 UV sets on my list. I generally could care less about UV, so how I have that many on the list is a true mystery. In addition to the above, I have 78 vintage type cards plus 10 type coke caps, pins, etc. So if I get 78 more cards, I will be back up to 367 sets that I would be working on, because as we all know, 1 is a type card and 2 you are collecting them. 367 is still a lot less than I thought, but is more respectable. If I added those sets that I am looking for variations or upgrades, I would be adding another couple hundred sets to the count. So unless I can find another area to start collecting (E, M, team or minor league issues are among the issues not on my list to a significant degree - yet), I do not see the number increasing, and even possibly decreasing as I have a number of sets I am down to 1 or just a few to complete. So is a 2007 goal of increasing from 289 to 300 realistic? How many guys goal is to START more sets than they FINISH in a year??? Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 23:20:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Thank you to My Wife! My wife has done major damage to my wantlists. First for Christmas she gave me 50 1963 cards, 75 1967 cards, 40 1968 cards, 25 1969 cards, 10 high # 1970 cards, 10 high # 1972 cards. Star cards include 1972 of Pete Rose, Brooks Robinson, Nolan Ryan, Johnny Bench In-Action, and Hoyt Wilhelm. Well if that wasnt enough, today, which is my birthday she gave me 3 1958 cards of Eddie Matthews, Jim Bunning, and Nellie Fox, 50 1960 cards including a Luis Aparacio, two 1961 cards of Brooks Robinson and Orlando Cepeda, 4 1962 cards including a Casey Stengel, 30 high # 1972 commons, and high # 1972 cards of Rod Carew, Frank Robinson, Denny McClain, Bobby Bonds and Dusty Baker. Then she handed one last box, in which was one card, a 1968 Jerry Koosman rookie, with some other guy named Nolan Ryan! What a birthday present! Thank you Elissa! ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 06:06:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Kurt asked me to pass this along I have come across a lot of the rare 1933 Delongs. I have 14 posted (10 different) at my website (k2doecards.com) under the "Bargains" category. They are all lesser grade and the prices are mostly between 10-15% of the 2007 Standard catalog. Free S&H & Insurance for all OBCers. Please contact me through my website as I want to be fair for everyone interested. Normally, I wouldn't solicit through the website, but because of the rarity, I thought my posting may be of interest. Thank you all for your past patronage and may you all have a Happy New Please contact him through his website and not me as it will delay process and someone else may ge these before I can get message back to ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 10:06:44 EST To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Baseball interesting facts Content-Language: en Once again this year, baseball proved that truth is stranger than sci-fi, stranger than a Britney Spears marriage, stranger even than Nicole Ritchie's interpretation of her GPS instructions. So with 2007 lurking over the horizon, let's look back at the Strange But True Feats of the Year: MEET THE PITCHING STAFF DEPT.: In an Aug. 2 game against the Mets, the Marlins used a pitcher (_Brian Moehler_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5743) ) to pinch-hit for another pitcher (_Joe Borowski_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5448) ). Then, after got hit by a pitch, they used another pitcher (_Scott Olsen_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7585) ) to pinch-run for Moehler. And two outs later, they used yet another pitcher (_Logan Kensing_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7449) ) to pinch-run for Olsen. So that's a pitcher pinch-running for a pitcher who pinch-ran for another pitcher who pinch-hit for another pitcher. OK, you can all set fire to your scorecards now. HANG 10 DEPT.: In August, a National League outfielder became the first NL player since 1992 to get hits in 10 straight at-bats -- but of course, it wasn't _Lance Berkman_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6279) , _Alfonso Soriano_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6154) , _Juan Pierre_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6550) or _Carlos Beltran_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6132) . It was Atlanta's _Matt Diaz_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7184) , a guy whohadn't even gotten 10 hits in a month in seven of the previous nine months he'd spent in the big leagues. PRESTO CHANGO DEPT.: In an Aug. 23 game against the White Sox, Tigers reliever _Jamie Walker_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5781) managed to strike out a hitter he never faced (_Scott Podsednik_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6489) ). So how'd that Simple. Podsednik, batting against a right-hander (_Colby Lewis_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6893) ), fouled off two bunt attempts. Whereupon Tigers manager Jim Leyland brought in a left-hander (Walker). Which inspired White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen to send up _Brian Anderson_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7489) to pinch-hit Podsednik. Whereupon Anderson swung and missed -- for a strikeout that wound on the permanent records of Walker and Podsednik, even though they were never on the field at the same time. Got that? THE HECK WITH THAT PITCH COUNT DEPT.: But Reds reliever _Jason Standridge_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6661) can top that last trick. On Aug. 6, he recorded an out without throwing a pitch -- while retiring a player who had faced the pitcher before him. OK, how'd that happen? Also simple. Standridge came out of the bullpen to relieve _Kyle Lohse_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6751) . And his first act was to step off the rubber, throw to second on an appeals play -- and get an out when the umpires ruled that Braves runner _Willy Aybar_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7638) had missed second base. That also subtracted a hit from the previous batter, _Marcus Giles_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6624) -- another hitter who had never faced Standridge. Got all that? MR. 2,000 DEPT.: _Mike Piazza_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId4928) , _Alex Rodriguez_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5275) , _Garret Anderson_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5289) and _Manny Ramirez_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5132) all got their 2,000th hit last season. Naturally, Piazza and A-Rod both got their 2,000th hit on the same day (July 21) -- and Anderson and Manny got their 2,000th on the same day, too (July 1). THEY PEAKED TOO SOON DEPT.: In a July 29 game against Oakland, the first four Blue Jays to bat in the first inning against _Barry Zito_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6394) went: Hit batter, single, walk, _Troy Glaus_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6063) grand slam. So Toronto led, 4-0, before it had even made an out. And how did Blue Jays feed off that momentum? By not scoring again all night -- and losing, 7-4. HOW TO WIN THE WORLD SERIES DEPT.: The Cardinals careened through three losing streaks of seven games or more -- and never fell out of first place at point during any of them. No other World Series winner in history had ever managed to have more than one losing streak like that in the same season. IT'S ALL CYCLICAL DEPT.: The good news for Mets dynamo _Jose Reyes_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7066) was that he became the first Met ever to hit for the cycle and have a three-homer game in the same season. The bad news was, the Mets became the first team since the '64 Senators to have a player do both in the same season and lose both games. The Sports Bureau reports that Jim King did it for those Senators. But he obviously wasn't so good to be King on either day. THAT'S A SWITCH DEPT.:After batting right-handed in the first 230 at-bats of his career, Brewers pitcher _Tomo Ohka_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6283) decided tohit left-handed Aug. 24. So was there any doubt he'd reach base and drive in a run three at-bats in a row? He reached on catcher's interference (with the bases loaded) his first time up, looped two-run single his next time up and lined an RBI single his third time up. He was 4 for his previous 55 batting right-handed, by the way. CREATIVE SCOREKEEPING DEPT.: Tigers first baseman _Sean Casey_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5930) managed toget thrown out at first base, 5-to-7-to-3 in your scorecard, in an Aug. 24 game against the White Sox. He hit a line drive that ticked off the glove of third baseman _Joe Crede_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6411) and landed in left field. But Casey thought Crede had caught it, so he headed back the dugout. Which allowed left fielder _Pablo Ozuna_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6459) to scoop upthe baseball and whoosh it to first for the strangest out of the year. TRIFECTA DEPT.: The Mariners somehow "hit" into a triple play in a Sept. 2 game in Tampa Bay -- without a ball being put in play. How'd that happen? It wasn't easy. _Raul Ibanez_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId5665) got called out on strikes for the first out. _Adrian Beltre_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6039) got nailed stealing second for the second out. Then _Jose Lopez_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7392) bolted for the plate and got thrown out at home for the third out. Try that one on your X Box sometime. CLOSERS DON'T WORK SATURDAYS DEPT.: Believe it or not, all 30 teams were in action on July 15, the Saturday after the All-Star break -- and not one of them recorded a save in the 15 games played. LUCKY SEVEN DEPT.: White Sox ace _Mark Buehrle_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId6525) gave up seven runs in the first inning of his May 14 start against the Twins -- and still got a win out of it (9-7). Hey, it's not like that had never happened. Jack Powell, of the 1900 _St. Louis Cardinals_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/clubhouse?teamstl) , did it ina win over the late, great Chicago Orphans, according to Elias. LUCKIER SEVEN DEPT.: The mysterious _Cody Ross_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7053) drove in seven runs in a game for two different teams (Dodgers and Marlins) last season. But he had only one other (April) where he drove in seven runs. STRANGE BUT TRUE FEAT OF THE YEAR, CENTURY AND MILLENNIUM: Finally, if you needed convincing that literally anything is possible in baseball, we refer you to the astounding finish of the Dodgers' Sept. 18 game with San Diego. They entered the bottom of the ninth trailing by four runs. And then =E2=A6 The same team that was last in the league in home runs (the Dodgers) hit four ninth-inning home runs in a row to tie the game. And did it in a span of seven pitches. And hit them off two pitchers (_Jon Adkins_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId7210) and _Trevor (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId4975) ) who had given up three homers all season to the previous 432 hitters they'd faced, in a combined 108 appearances. And then, after falling behind in the top of the 10th, the same team hit another homer in the 10th to turn a loss into a win. If Hollywood slapped that on the big screen, you'd laugh. But this happened in actual life, in the greatest sport on earth. "It might be the most amazing thing that ever happened in sports," Dodgers coach Rich Donnelly told our Strange But True bureau. "It's like the Stanford band thing -- without the trombones." ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:44:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: 10 Things I hate about EBAY Sorry to vent my frustration, but I received a few Ebay gift certificates for Christmas and have been searching the site and bidding. Here are the 10 things that bother me the most (in no particular order): 1. The Card #'s are not listed. That is always a sure sign that the cards are a bunch of 1st or 2nd Series commons. 2. The headline says Rookie Card, then you click on the item and it is a second year card with the Topps Rookie Trophy. 3. The headline says high # cards. Then you see the list and the highest #'s are in the 400's or there is one token high #, amongst a sea of 1st and 2nd series commons. 4. High Shipping. It does not cost anyone $4.95 to ship one card. 5. The headline says Star cards and when you click on it you see players like Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, Jim Longborg, etc. 6. The headline says Clemente, Mays, and Aaron, then you click on it and it is a League Leader Card. (This one drives me absolutely crazy) 7. The Headline says 1969-2000 cards. This is the biggest scam and a way for sellers to get rid of cards from the 1980's and 1990's. 8. The one seller who always has "Look" in his headline. Put something interesting up for sale and I will look. 9. Sellers who say "Good Luck in bidding" and "the lucky winner". What is so lucky about winning and paying market value for cards? 10. The seller lists some high Book Value for the cards and the cards they are selling are in poor, fair or good condition. I saw something very funny on a listing today. The guy wrote that the cards would be EXMT if not for the creases and other damage. I sure others can come up with other annoying things. Also, Does anyone have tips in searching, so that I can eliminate the single listed common cards and other annoying listings? ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:15:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me I can narrow it down to one thing i hate about ebay. That is a seller identified on ebay as Klassbeer from Belgium.For months every time i see a bulk lot of cigarette cards i want and bid on this guy always outbids me.He not only outbids me but everyone else and he always seems to end up winning the lot. I can bid on 20 bulk lots of cigarette cards on ebay at a time and this same guy,Klassbeer,always ends up the winner of every single one of them.He seems to be on ebay 24 hours a day bidding on the same lots i bid on and he seems to have unlimited funds to pay whatever neccessary to win every single bulk lot of cigarette cards sold on ebay. i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer!!!!!darn that guy!- ================= To: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:50:36 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me I had a guy like that once upon a time. We were always beating each other's brains out over stratomatic cards. Like Linda's guy, my nemesis would constantly snipe and beat me, and seemed to have no spending limits. Eventually though, I got all the sets I wanted, and dropped out of the market for the most part. Then, by coincidence, I ended up exchanging emails with him on a hobby listserve. Turns out he's the nicest guy you'd ever want to chat with, and a true lover of the hobby in the purest sense. Not to say that Linda's guy would turn out like that....but....ya never know! ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me I can narrow it down to one thing i hate about ebay. That is a seller identified on ebay as Klassbeer from Belgium.For months every time i see a bulk lot of cigarette cards i want and bid on this guy always outbids me.He not only outbids me but everyone else and he always seems to end up winning the lot. I can bid on 20 bulk lots of cigarette cards on ebay at a time and this same guy,Klassbeer,always ends up the winner of every single one of them.He seems to be on ebay 24 hours a day bidding on the same lots i bid on and he seems to have unlimited funds to pay whatever neccessary to win every single bulk lot of cigarette cards sold on ebay. i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer!!!!!darn that guy!- ================= To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 14:57:04 -0500 From: ricktopps@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY More thoughts on e-Bay. I had a great chuckle from the top ten list as I could relate to all of them. I hate it when I click on a 52 Topps card (or other vintage card) but only then find out it is actually a reprint. Shouldn't this be something mentioned in the title? I hate it when I want to bid on numerous cards and the seller doesn't bother to mention whether or not there is combined shipping. I even dislike when they don't specify what combined shipping means to them. Does it means that on the first card it is $3 shipping and every other card after that will be $2 each. I have paid $50 shipping for a stack of cards that it costs less than $10 to mail. Why do people put reserves on auctions and not just call it a minimum bid? Either way they can protect their auction, but if there is a minimum bid at least I know what it takes to get the seller to part with his card. Reserves are a turn off for me because I don't really know what reserve not met means (am I close, or not even close??) Rick Johnson ---Original Message----- From: tdmassimo@yahoo.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY Sorry to vent my frustration, but I received a few Ebay gift certificates for Christmas and have been searching the site and bidding. Here are the 10 things that bother me the most (in no particular order): 1. The Card #'s are not listed. That is always a sure sign that the cards are a bunch of 1st or 2nd Series commons. 2. The headline says Rookie Card, then you click on the item and it is a second year card with the Topps Rookie Trophy. 3. The headline says high # cards. Then you see the list and the highest #'s are in the 400's or there is one token high #, amongst a sea of 1st and 2nd series commons. 4. High Shipping. It does not cost anyone $4.95 to ship one card. 5. The headline says Star cards and when you click on it you see players like Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, Jim Longborg, etc. 6. The headline says Clemente, Mays, and Aaron, then you click on it and it is a League Leader Card. (This one drives me absolutely crazy) 7. The Headline says 1969-2000 cards. This is the biggest scam and a way for sellers to get rid of cards from the 1980's and 1990's. 8. The one seller who always has "Look" in his headline. Put something interesting up for sale and I will look. 9. Sellers who say "Good Luck in bidding" and "the lucky winner". What is so lucky about winning and paying market value for cards? 10. The seller lists some high Book Value for the cards and the cards they are selling are in poor, fair or good condition. I saw something very funny on a listing today. The guy wrote that the cards would be EXMT if not for the creases and other damage. I sure others can come up with other annoying things. Also, Does anyone have tips in searching, so that I can eliminate the single listed common cards and other annoying listings? Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:25:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: 10 things I hate about Ebay Rick, I have to agree, I should have put the reprint in the top ten. I was searching for a long time for a Schmidt rookie and everytime I would do a search, I would type "1973 Schmidt". I cannot tell you how many times I was excited when I saw no bids, figuring that I could get the first bid in, only to see that it was a reprint. ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:25:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: 10 things I hate about Ebay Rick, I have to agree, I should have put the reprint in the top ten. I was searching for a long time for a Schmidt rookie and everytime I would do a search, I would type "1973 Schmidt". I cannot tell you how many times I was excited when I saw no bids, figuring that I could get the first bid in, only to see that it was a reprint. ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 20:08:20 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me I think many of us have a few ebay bidders that fit the Klassbeer description-- kenmarks for Post and Jello items Libdirect for high numbers and star cards. Just when you thought you were going to get a deal--you are sniped at the last second. I guess I will lose most auctions when cost isn't really an object. Give me the cheap beat up gems any day......... peter mead -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" I can narrow it down to one thing i hate about ebay. That is a seller identified on ebay as Klassbeer from Belgium.For months every time i see a bulk lot of cigarette cards i want and bid on this guy always outbids me.He not only outbids me but everyone else and he always seems to end up winning the lot. I can bid on 20 bulk lots of cigarette cards on ebay at a time and this same guy,Klassbeer,always ends up the winner of every single one of them.He seems to be on ebay 24 hours a day bidding on the same lots i bid on and he seems to have unlimited funds to pay whatever neccessary to win every single bulk lot of cigarette cards sold on ebay. i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer!!!!!darn that guy!- ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 12:59:21 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: Things amusing about EBAY In this vein, other card-related eBay amusements. 1. A Tipton card wrapped in five layers of protection. Do they sell fine China the rest of the time or something? 2. Assuming any Pafko card outside of 1952 Topps is investment material. Why yes, that 1951 Pafko must be a sleeper! BUY IT NOW! 3. Any description with "great eye appeal" or "blazing colors" in the listing. Wait for the "back damage" chaser. 4. Sellers who simultaneously disclaim card knowledge ("they look good, butI'm not a collector!") and yet have the complete run of 33 Goudey Ruths. Good thing they hit those yard sales, eh? Never know what you'll find! Lucky 5. Anyone selling Hensley Meulens rookie cards. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 14:41:18 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: Dis 'n dat....(Phillie stuff, mostly....) Some of you might remember my Ramble from last summer about the BB game I went to with a friend and his 87 year old Dad, who used to be a reporter/photographer for the Negro Leagues. Well, Tim (the son) just left my place an hour ago, and dropped off a ton of stuff he wants me to sell for him on Evilbay. A box of cards, mostly vintage, but he said he left the best ones at home. A couple of boxes of magazines from the =9150=92s and =9160=92s, a lot of moofy Phillie stuff, and some really eclectic stuff as well. A considerable amount of detritus headed for the recycle depot, =9180=92s stuff. He pointed at one box and said =93you=92ll never guess.=94 He was right=85.it was a seat from Connie Mack Stadium. So=85.anybody got any ideas of the best way to move something like that? It isn=92t exactly in the usual price guides. Or, if anyone knows of someone interested who would like to buy it, I=92m all ears=85.. Thanks, Grant No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.4/615 - Release Date: 1/3/2007 ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 23:09:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Hockey Card Pricing help I am doing a trade with someone from another group and need to know two BVs of Hockey cards. They are Topps 1976-77 # 213 (Bobby Orr) in VG and Topps 1980-81 # 140 (Ray Bourque Rookie Card) in EX (with name scratched). Any help would be greatly appreciated. ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:34:59 EST To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY I have only one Havent met reserve bid put a mininium bid in and quit messing with my time and your on me guessing the price if i put 50 dollars and you want 100 min then i wont waste my time bidding Course lately if that comes up i move on and dont even mess with it ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:54:51 EST To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY guess i should of read Rick's email first ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:59:36 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:58:39 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com Some responses to this...mostly in jest.... In a message dated 1/4/2007 10:57:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Sorry to vent my frustration, but I received a few Ebay gift certificates for Christmas and have been searching the site and bidding. Here are the 10 things that bother me the most (in no particular order): 1. The Card #'s are not listed. That is always a sure sign that the cards are a bunch of 1st or 2nd Series commons. Don't worry, eventually you will memorize the players and numbers if you are in OBC long enough...I suspect Ken Morganti knows every card and number from 1948 Leaf through 1980 Topps. 2. The headline says Rookie Card, then you click on the item and it is a second year card with the Topps Rookie Trophy. See answer to #1...eventually you will know who has the rookie trophy etc. 3. The headline says high # cards. Then you see the list and the highest #'s are in the 400's or there is one token high #, amongst a sea of 1st and 2nd series commons. Common problem...but the flip side is when you search for '61 highs and find a bunch of them just listed without #s or fanfare. 4. High Shipping. It does not cost anyone $4.95 to ship one card. This is also my biggest pet peeve. Ebay rules prohibit large shipping charges. I have sent cards back for this! People who overcharge on s/h should be prosecuted (it is mail fraud). 5. The headline says Star cards and when you click on it you see players like Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, Jim Longborg, etc. Huh, Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, and esp. Jim Lonborg ARE stars! See the HOM! 6. The headline says Clemente, Mays, and Aaron, then you click on it and it is a League Leader Card. (This one drives me absolutely crazy) It does provide what it says...I love the leader and multiple cards. I almost (repeat almost) started buying this years Topps because they brought back multi-player cards. 7. The Headline says 1969-2000 cards. This is the biggest scam and a way for sellers to get rid of cards from the 1980's and 1990's. I avoid these because I know that the 1969 card is one that I have 1000 of already (Tom Hiller--sheesh). 8. The one seller who always has "Look" in his headline. Put something interesting up for sale and I will look. The other title that annoys me is "rare"...I agree that look is annoying but it could be worse. 9. Sellers who say "Good Luck in bidding" and "the lucky winner". What is so lucky about winning and paying market value for cards? market value? never heard of it. I always say good luck in bidding when I sell and I do not mind this. Better than the rude comments such as "in the event you purchase this card..."makes me feel like I am headed down on a plane ("in the event of a water landing") 10. The seller lists some high Book Value for the cards and the cards they are selling are in poor, fair or good condition. Since I the last price guide I own is 2004, I dont mind this...I always just move the decimal point two places to the left and figure my bid that way. I saw something very funny on a listing today. The guy wrote that the cards would be EXMT if not for the creases and other damage. I would be a millionaire if not for the lack of money. I sure others can come up with other annoying things. Also, Does anyone have tips in searching, so that I can eliminate the single listed common cards and other annoying listings? ================= Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:01:22 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 19:01:05 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Lets see....a few guys who always seem to outbid me or beat me to a bid... among others...sheesh. In a message dated 1/4/2007 11:24:52 AM Pacific Standard Time, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes: I can narrow it down to one thing i hate about ebay. That is a seller identified on ebay as Klassbeer from Belgium.For months every time i see a bulk lot of cigarette cards i want and bid on this guy always outbids me.He not only outbids me but everyone else and he always seems to end up winning the lot. I can bid on 20 bulk lots of cigarette cards on ebay at a time and this same guy,Klassbeer,always ends up the winner of every single one of them.He seems to be on ebay 24 hours a day bidding on the same lots i bid on and he seems to have unlimited funds to pay whatever neccessary to win every single bulk lot of cigarette cards sold on ebay. i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer!!!!!darn that guy!- ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 18:53:59 -0600 To: Linda From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 10 Things I hate about EBAY-just 1 for me Drop him a friendly note saying, "that since you're apparently never going to let me win one of these cigarette lots we both bid on, could you at least send me a note when you see one you're not going to bid on?". He may decide to offer you some of his dupes or something. Greg (yaz) Linda wrote: > I can narrow it down to one thing i hate about ebay. > That is a seller identified on ebay as Klassbeer from Belgium.For > months every time i see a bulk lot of cigarette cards i want and bid on > this guy always outbids me.He not only outbids me but everyone else and > he always seems to end up winning the lot. > I can bid on 20 bulk lots of cigarette cards on ebay at a time and this > same guy,Klassbeer,always ends up the winner of every single one of > them.He seems to be on ebay 24 hours a day bidding on the same lots i > bid on and he seems to have unlimited funds to pay whatever neccessary > to win every single bulk lot of cigarette cards sold on ebay. > i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer, i hate klassbeer!!!!!darn that guy!- > Linda ================= Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 19:37:52 -0600 To: Wite3@aol.com From: Yaz Subject: Re: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY Some responses to some responses: 1. ...and sometimes they don't even put pictures so you can sort of figure out who's in the lot. Skip 'em. 2. You gotta learn them all because half these guys don't know what they are doing and 20% of the rest are deceitful. 3. No response. Josh says it all. 4. Amen. Just make it practice to always include shipping when you figure your bid. If it's already too high, skip 'em. 5. Oh, that hurts. Coop and Lonny. Come on! I can see where maybe that surgery guy might not be a star, (though he did win almost 300 games), but don't pile on Coop and Lonny. What are you, some kind of Yankee fan or something? 6. doesn't bother me much. I think I usually have it figured out somehow, the bids, the pics, the card #s or the way it's described 7. There are a couple of other ways these guys get rid of all those 80s cards they hoarded. There are always 5 or 6 '*/wives/* who's husband cheated on them and so they are selling the stiffs collection, ha ha ha'. There are several '/*estate sales*/ that they don't know what is in here but they did see a Mays and Clemente somewhere and of course he was very particular with his cards and kept them in mint condition, before he kicked the bucket.' 8. */Look/* and */Rare/* are bad but the worst is _/*WOW!!!*/_ when describing the 1986 Topps Doug Jones card. Makes me shudder. 9. Maybe they just mean, 'Good luck in getting this card in the shape I described it and before the postal rates rise again'. 10. See #2, above. A few creases mean NM to some of these guys. Well NM is the highest price listed in the Standard Catalog for cards before 1980 so what else can a dumb guy do? Or what else would an evil guy do? Greg (yaz) Wite3@aol.com wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Subject: > Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about EBAY > From: > Wite3@aol.com > Date: > Thu, 4 Jan 2007 18:58:39 EST > To: > tdmassimo@yahoo.com > To: > tdmassimo@yahoo.com > Some responses to this...mostly in jest.... > In a message dated 1/4/2007 10:57:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, > tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: > Sorry to vent my frustration, but I received a few Ebay gift > certificates for Christmas and have been searching the site and > bidding. Here are the 10 things that bother me the most (in no > particular order): > 1. The Card #'s are not listed. That is always a sure sign that the > cards are a bunch of 1st or 2nd Series commons. > Don't worry, eventually you will memorize the players and numbers if > you are in OBC long enough...I suspect Ken Morganti knows every card > and number from 1948 Leaf through 1980 Topps. > 2. The headline says Rookie Card, then you click on the item and it > is a second year card with the Topps Rookie Trophy. > See answer to #1...eventually you will know who has the rookie trophy etc. > 3. The headline says high # cards. Then you see the list and the > highest #'s are in the 400's or there is one token high #, amongst a > sea of 1st and 2nd series commons. > Common problem...but the flip side is when you search for '61 highs > and find a bunch of them just listed without #s or fanfare. > 4. High Shipping. It does not cost anyone $4.95 to ship one card. > This is also my biggest pet peeve. Ebay rules prohibit large shipping > charges. I have sent cards back for this! People who overcharge on s/h > should be prosecuted (it is mail fraud). > 5. The headline says Star cards and when you click on it you see > players like Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, Jim Longborg, etc. > Huh, Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, and esp. Jim Lonborg ARE stars! See the > HOM! > 6. The headline says Clemente, Mays, and Aaron, then you click on it > and it is a League Leader Card. (This one drives me absolutely crazy) > It does provide what it says...I love the leader and multiple cards. I > almost (repeat almost) started buying this years Topps because they > brought back multi-player cards. > 7. The Headline says 1969-2000 cards. This is the biggest scam and > a way for sellers to get rid of cards from the 1980's and 1990's. > I avoid these because I know that the 1969 card is one that I have > 1000 of already (Tom Hiller--sheesh). > 8. The one seller who always has "Look" in his headline. Put > something interesting up for sale and I will look. > The other title that annoys me is "rare"...I agree that look is > annoying but it could be worse. > 9. Sellers who say "Good Luck in bidding" and "the lucky winner". > What is so lucky about winning and paying market value for cards? > market value? never heard of it. I always say good luck in bidding > when I sell and I do not mind this. Better than the rude comments such > as "in the event you purchase this card..."makes me feel like I am > headed down on a plane ("in the event of a water landing") > 10. The seller lists some high Book Value for the cards and the > cards they are selling are in poor, fair or good condition. > Since I the last price guide I own is 2004, I dont mind this...I > always just move the decimal point two places to the left and figure > my bid that way. > I saw something very funny on a listing today. The guy wrote that > the cards would be EXMT if not for the creases and other damage. > I would be a millionaire if not for the lack of money. > I sure others can come up with other annoying things. > Also, Does anyone have tips in searching, so that I can eliminate the > single listed common cards and other annoying listings? > Nope ================= To: "obc rambling" Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:03:57 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Hemlar needs HEllo All, I have another trader in need. I need: . Cobbin, Dewhirst, DiHigo, Foster, Hamilton, Kaiser, Tally, Walker (BentonHarbor), Washington, and boxer Johnson,Sugar Ray. I have extra: Ki Ki Culyler J. Crutchfield Pete hill Ray Chapman Sadayoshi Fujimoto Tokujin Lida Darnell Knox j. jeannette please let me know ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 03:23:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Prewar Variations discovered As many of you probably read (at least 9 did as they wish to split the lot with me)I picked up a lot of 103 prewar cards yesterday. I thought I only needed 35 of them. However, before I can start to figure out what I have available to split with folks, I needed to check to see fi any would be upgrades, Although the 1933 & 1934 Goudeys are pretty rough, I thought what I had were Tiptons. Surprisingly little was upgraded there. A few of the 35 & 36 goudey "dupes" were variations I did not have. Those variations are fairly well known. The 35s are catalogued and Chuck Paris is chasing a master set of them. The 36s are mentioned, but not yet catalogued, as far as I know. A Dimaond Star variation was not surprising, as those are known also. There were no 1939 playballs in the group, but the variations are known there. When I went to compare the 1940 Playballs, I noticed 2 had variations. I checked my guides and neither 2005 Beckett or 2001 SCd mention anything about 1940 Playball variations. The varition has to do with the ad on the back bottom of the card. 1 ad was for the Playball cards and the other ad had to do with a set of Superman cards. The 2 Superman ads were NOT identical. Card #s 146 163 are teh cards in question. Anyone know anything about this??? I will try and get a list of what is available on the dupes to those that inquired sometime next week. peter Mead is fying in just to look athese dupes. Somehow I think that is a cover for a business trip, but you never know. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:33:03 EST To: senthi@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hemlar needs I have a Kaiser for him will send to you this weekend ================= To: , Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 21:33:15 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Availables - Tiptons on Parade The following cards are available of a FCFS basis. Please include you address for quicker shipping. Tiptons are marked with a (T). T59's (Flags - All Recruit backs) -Ionian Isles, Italy Royal Standard, Turkey Royal Standard (2), British Canoe Ass'n 53 Topps - 84 54 Bowman - 168 (T), 196 (T) 54 Topps - 15 (T), 16 (T) 55 Bowman - 131 (T) 55 Topps - 61, 130, 188 (T) 57 Topps - 58 (T), 83, 132 (T), 115 (T) 58 Topps - 51 (T), 59 (T), 104 (T), 369 (T), 380 (T), 383 (T), 387 (T), 391 (T), 396 59 Topps - 31 (T), 148 (T), 187 (T), 247 (T), 283 (T), 318 (T), 395 (T), 466 (T), 486 (T), 544 (T), 554 (T) 60 Fleer - 77 60 Topps - 88 (T), 151 (T), 179 (T), 187 61 Post - 15, 25, 31, 32, 44, 45, 77, 86 61 Topps - 189 (T), 215 (T), 447 62 Topps - 358, 361 64 Topps - 112 (T) 65 Topps - 40 (T), 205 (T) 66 Topps - 243 (T), 252 (T), 302 (T) 67 Topps - 2 (T), 43 (T), 108 (T), 171 (T), 178 (T), 197 (T), 202 (T), 203 (T), 274 (T), 275 (T), 276 (T), 288 (T), 293 (T), 313 (T), 370 (T), 424 (T), 524 (T) 68 Topps - 202 (T), 400, 537 69 Topps - 45 (T), 412 (T) 70 -Pee-Chee - 221 (T) 70 Topps - 14, 17, 71, 97, 97 (T), 578 71 Topps - 585 72 O-Pee-Chee - 11, 25, 35, 47, 71, 81, 93, 118, 123, 147, 166, 172, 184, 212, 238, 256 72 Topps - 251 (T) 73 O-Pee-Chee - 73 75 O-Pee-Chee - 494 75 Topps - 640 76 Hostess - 14, 18 76 O-Pee-Chee - 78, 372, 551, 644 76 Topps - 17 77 Hostess - 67 77 O-Pee-Chee - 16, 104, 118, 180, 255 77 Twinkies - 148 78 O-Pee-Chee - 77 78 Topps - 135, 211 83 O-Pee-Chee - 67 ================= To: Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 23:10:37 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 10 Things I hate about eVILBAY Oh YES, I just LOVED this thread; thanks OBC!!! I like our "Top 10 Things I Hate... ..." about evilBay so much, it made me want to dash over, sign onto the site and start up a few new searches for cards, just to see if I could "one up" anyone's top ten complaints. ... ...hey, here is one from just today: I lost out on a nice )At least the photo sure "showed" it in good shape with fabulous centering.) '78 Lou Whitaker rookie because I was sniped in the ten seconds or so, but, not more than a mere fifteen minutes later, up pops a "2nd Chance Offer" with a little note, "I have one left, really good shape and only $6.00 to ship to Colorado!" Yeah, right! I understand my postal carrier is probably bitchin' about trying to schlepp his/her way through the forty inches of snow that is on the ground (... ... and ANOTHER "upslope" storm is arriving right now, tonight!A weak one though this time, only 10 to 18 inches are forecast for the foothills.) but for the six bucks just to mail it, I could prolly find one atmy local card shark shop and still have have a few coins of change left inmy pocket. ...and just what does "really good shape" mean, anyway? Thanks for the smiles, OBC; back to my eVILBAY !!! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com, dkolenda@sbcglobal.net, dcbbl@aol.com Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 07:20:05 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate it. Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 08:27:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Is Tris Speaker the player on this tobacco card? In the photos section here in the miscellaneous album i added a picture of card # 48 in the 1934 R.J. Hill Sports tobacco card set.The picture is # 3 in the miscellaneous album and is labeled R.J. Hill Sports. I read that Tris Speaker is the batter on the card.Is that him or not?- ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 09:02:31 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1971 topps second set started After giving out a ton of dupes over the years & have decided to start the pain all over again.I first started with the trading groups for this set aswell back in the day.I have alot of dupes in the 1st series if anyone is interested. Please let me know what you found. I expect some good action in the begining. Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: 5 Jan 2007 15:01:28 -0000 To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is Tris Speaker the player on this tobacco card? After checking the cards and photos of Speaker, I don't think your card is of him. It's hard from a side view to say for sure but It does not appear to be him. ------------- Original message follows ------------- In the photos section here in the miscellaneous album i added a picture of card # 48 in the 1934 R.J. Hill Sports tobacco card set.The picture is # 3 in the miscellaneous album and is labeled R.J. Hill Sports. I read that Tris Speaker is the batter on the card.Is that him or not?- ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:26:29 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is Tris Speaker the player on this tobacco card? Linda -- As far as I can tell it is - I have the card you are talking about and someother guys showed me the same picture of Speaker on another card. Here's a link to the N54 Forum where I asked about this card a couple of days ago... http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1167661568/last-1167715959/RJ+Hill+-+Tris+Speaker-- Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 8:27 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is Tris Speaker the player on this tobacco card? In the photos section here in the miscellaneous album i added a picture of card # 48 in the 1934 R.J. Hill Sports tobacco card set.The picture is # 3 in the miscellaneous album and is labeled R.J. Hill Sports. I read that Tris Speaker is the batter on the card.Is that him or not?- ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:53:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "klsdad2000" Subject: Wouldn't this be cool! ..... to add into our web site. It's a map with customizable pins to note locations of all the members. http://cnc-yachts.com/personal_maps/map.php I found it at mapbuilder.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 16:29:04 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Mark -- I know Dave is still around, but he's having serious health problems at themoment. Hopefully he'll be back with us soon. As far as the other two guys, I'm not sure... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com ; dkolenda@sbcglobal.net ; dcbbl@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 7:20 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:05:47 EST To: chuckparis@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wouldn't this be cool! didnt we do that at one time? or was that another group i was in? ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 11:53:34 -0500 From: "chuckparis" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wouldn't this be cool! That was me by the way. ----- Original Message ----- From: klsdad2000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wouldn't this be cool! ..... to add into our web site. It's a map with customizable pins to note locations of all the members. http://cnc-yachts.com/personal_maps/map.php I found it at mapbuilder.com ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 17:31:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken M" Subject: Re: Wouldn't this be cool! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > didnt we do that at one time? or was that another group i was in? I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like that? Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:40:57 EST To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:39:41 AM Central Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like that? frap, frap, frap, they call me the frapper frap, frap, frap, that nobody's after name that tune! ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:47:19 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Looking 4 a set KILLER Hello all, Well I am down to 1 on my favorite set ever the 1955 Bowman. Its a set I started the day I joined OBC. I had a total of 3 1955 bowmans when I started, then with a lot of help from all you guys and girls I have made it this far. If anyone has an extra 1955 Bowman John Pesky #241 that would be my set killer . If you have an extra let me know and I will try to accommodate you. Thank you Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:55:07 -0500 From: "chuckparis" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! I must have been sleeping.... certainly it wasn't pre-Yahoo Groups for email was it? That's about when I started. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken M To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 12:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > didnt we do that at one time? or was that another group i was in? I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like that? Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:52:06 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Frappr Yes, we did a frappr roll-call of the group sometime a year or two ago. No problem suggesting it as a link, though! ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken M To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 5, 2007 12:31:52 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > didnt we do that at one time? or was that another group i was in? I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like that? Ken M Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:03:02 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World Here it is... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 3:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World > All, > The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, why > not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? > The web address for the map is: > http://www.frappr.com/obc > Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the > northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration > lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of North > America! > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 14:29:02 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World Hi Geno, At the risk of sounding like a party pooper, I think it might help if people included constructive photos only. It seems we have/had (I havent looked at it in a while) many superfluous photos of people and things that were not germain. I wanted to see photos of members and had to sift through motorcylcles and pinup girls to try and find members. ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:34:43 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: WOW! This is the best post ever in OBC - rare - L@@K! $$$$ Hey gang, I get my ramblings via the digest, so I'm responding a little late to this thread. I was laughing out loud at a couple comments, like how I know all the numbers to all the cards and that I was on a short list of bidders that keep outbidding Josh (funny, but I felt that was the other way around when I was looking for T205's). It is true though - I am a virtual fountain of useless information. Most of this comes from looking at all your wantlists on a regular basis... eventually people all need the same numbers and since a lot of them don't add the names to their list until really late (or not at all), you gotta figure out if that #47 from the 1958 Topps set has a chance of being in your dupes box. (Kudos to you if you figured out that it was the Roger Maris RC without looking it up). The scary part is when you start answering questions like, "Who is #4 in the 56 Topps set?" with "Carlos Paula" - that's a true story BTW, but to be fair, it wasn't too hard to remember the first page in my album. If I knew who was on the SECOND page, then I'd be scared I was Rain Man or something. Now to address some of the other pet peeves and maybe add a few of my > 1. The Card #'s are not listed. That is always a sure sign that the > cards are a bunch of 1st or 2nd Series commons. I'd have to disagree with this one, since it's the best way to find the best bargains. I remember two incidents that stand out. One, I was working on a second 1972 set and saw this bulk lot of 300 or 400 different listed. The description was sadly lacking of any detail, but it did have a photo - which showed Carew, Garvey and a couple other stars. I e-mailed the seller and asked if the cards in the photo were in the lot, since the bidding was only up to $20 or so with a day or two left. He said they were in the lot and the cards were pretty evenly spread out from all the series (something he neglected to mention in the description). I won it for somewhere around $40, which was a steal, considering about 40 of the cards were high numbers that I was paying $1-$2 each previously. That probably wasn't enough for the 9 cards in the picture, but I wasn't complaining. My favorite numberless lot story occurred when I was working on my 1952 Topps set. This lot just named the players in the lot... maybe a dozen or so mostly unmemorable names like Harry Lavagetto plus a couple others like Dick Williams and Hoyt Wilhelm. All of them had the logo and team name inked out, but they probably still shouldn't have gone as cheaply as I won them. But the description never mentioned the numbers or even that any of them were high numbers - there were four or five in the lot. I did eventually upgrade the Wilhelm and a couple others turned out to be dupes, but having 1952 Topps high numbers in your dupes box is never a bad thing ;-) > 2. The headline says Rookie Card, then you click on the item and it > is a second year card with the Topps Rookie Trophy. Some people are just unclear on the concept, as I've seen second year cards of players advertised as rookie cards simply because it was the first one issued by themselves, like that 1969 Ryan rookie I should buy. > 3. The headline says high # cards. Then you see the list and the > highest #'s are in the 400's or there is one token high #, amongst a > sea of 1st and 2nd series commons. This happens way too often, but in a mild effort to be fair, the seller does have to get you to look at the lot somehow. Sometimes the item description clarifies that to mean SEMI-high numbers or the high numbers turn out to be 1967 double prints that everyone already has. > 4. High Shipping. It does not cost anyone $4.95 to ship one card. Oh, but it does. Some sellers feel the need to add in the two tanks of gas it takes them to drive to the post office, the countless hours required to address an envelope and the array of packing materials used to meticulously prepare your cards for shipping. Also worth mentioning is the fact that somehow the buyer has to pay for the seller's eBay fees (which is against eBay policy, but hard to catch and never enforced). So when I pay upwards of three bucks for a card and it arrives in a plain envelope with a 39 cent stamp, I just thank heaven for the privilege of buying cards from some seller's. > 5. The headline says Star cards and when you click on it you see > players like Tommy John, Cecil Cooper, Jim Longborg, etc. This isn't as good as buying a lot with "STARZ" in it, which reminds me - I can't stand reading through a description that a fourth grader wouldn't claim writing. If you're going to get my business, at least make an attempt to look professional. Personal checks excepted? Doesn't that mean the opposite of what 'your' trying to say? Oh yeah, thanks for the heads up that eBay's policies will be 'inforced' too. I'm not the spelling police and typos happen, but some of these descriptions are agonizing to read. > 6. The headline says Clemente, Mays, and Aaron, then you click on it > and it is a League Leader Card. (This one drives me absolutely crazy) Don't forget World Series, All Star, highlight and the ever popular combo cards too. How many lots featuring a "1967 Mantle" end up being the checklist? > 7. The Headline says 1969-2000 cards. This is the biggest scam and > a way for sellers to get rid of cards from the 1980's and 1990's. Who said anything about 1980's cards? Most of these lots have a single card from the earliest year and then 99.99% from the last year mentioned in the title. I end up skipping these, since most of them are "the best lot on eBay" along with the 45 other "best lots on eBay" or "greatest collection ever". I just can't handle that kind of responsibility and I'd imagine the publicity from buying that kind of collection would be unbearable. >8. The one seller who always has "Look" in his headline. Put > something interesting up for sale and I will look. I especially like it when they use different characters to make cute little 'eyes' that appear to be looking - like "LQQK!" or "L@@K!" - However, this is nothing compared to the sellers who use the word "RARE" or "1/1?" Many times I can find five or six exact copies of the 'rare' card up for auction at the same time. I really hate to break it to you, but your 1967 Topps Jack Aker isn't rare, no matter what kind of spin you put on it. If those old Topps packs are so rare, how come there's over 100 simultaneous auctions selling 400 in each of them at this very moment? BTW, does putting dollar signs in the auction title make the lot way more valuable too? > 9. Sellers who say "Good Luck in bidding" and "the lucky winner". > What is so lucky about winning and paying market value for cards? Here the seller is actually hoping you'll win the cards for LESS than market value... which pretty much goes against selling the cards at auction in the first place. The important part is you get to send them money for a very rare card that maybe only a few thousand other people might own - aren't you glad you LQQKED now? WOW! $$$$ >10. The seller lists some high Book Value for the cards and the >cards they are selling are in poor, fair or good condition. >I saw something very funny on a listing today. The guy wrote that >the cards would be EXMT if not for the creases and other damage. My whole collection is near mint! Well, except for the writing, creasing, punch holes, tears, paper loss, trimming, warping, staining, bad centering and some heavy corner wear, these cards look great! > I sure others can come up with other annoying things. How about not being responsible for damage to uninsured cards from shipping? Most of the time, the cards I'm buying are damaged already, otherwise I wouldn't be buying them! Besides, the three bucks I'm paying to ship my single card should provide ample resources to ensure safe delivery on it's own - at least enough to make it difficult for the mailman to crumple up the card and throw it towards the mailbox from the sidewalk. Another pet peeve I have is for sellers who don't leave feedback until after you've left yours. Personally, as a seller, a timely payment is the main criteria for positive feedback. I can also use that as an opportunity to inform the buyer of when their lot has been shipped (which is a bonus for me when I'm buying a lot). Good communication make the eBay experience a lot more pleasant. Plus it helps to know when you might expect a particularly expensive lot, so it doesn't sit on your front porch over the rainy Christmas holiday weekend like that 1800+ card ($600) lot I won a few weeks ago did. It's not really an eBay thing, but I got one of those 'phish' e-mails today that is supposed to appear to have come from eBay - I don't get my eBay e-mail at this address. HA! go ahead and cancel my eBay account! I'll save a fortune! The lot number mentioned in the e-mail was one I didn't sell or buy. (I looked it up without signing in). But then again, that's not as bad as the ones coming from Paypal, which I don't even have. (PS - I may need help again from someone who DOES have a Paypal account in the near future). >Also, Does anyone have tips in searching, so that I can eliminate the >single listed common cards and other annoying listings My only advice is to use the minus sign to eliminate the annoying keywords. For instance, when I'm looking for T205's, I usually also type in "-Topps" and "-2003" to eliminate a lot of the more recent UV junk. You could try using "-wow" if it bothers you that much. Another search tip is to try to think 'outside the box' when searching. I once landed a nice sized lot of 1960 Leaf high numbers for cheap because the seller listed them as black and white "Chicago Sports Novelties" cards from the 50's and 60's (obviously he didn't know what they were and nowhere on the cards does it say "Leaf" or mention the year they were issued). Sometimes focusing on some random common you need can help you find a nice lot too. You never know when that #188 Al Luplow card is going to get thrown in with a bunch of high numbers from the 1966 set. Most of the time it won't... but you'll always remember when it does. The key is having the patience to wade through the sewerage with the knowledge that eventually you'll find a diamond. Sometimes everyone else gets caught napping. I think I've had more than my share of good fortune on eBay, but I've also had my fill of lost opportunities... which only means that someone else was the lucky winning bidder. Hey! TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:36:38 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! That tune is "The Rapper" by Jaggerz 1974 We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 5 Jan 2007 21:15:38 -0000 To: "klsdad2000" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wouldn't this be cool! We did do this about 2 years ago. I remember because i posted some pics of my antique bats on the site. However, when my old computer died, I lost the bookmark for the web site. ------------- Original message follows ------------- ..... to add into our web site. It's a map with customizable pins to note locations of all the members. http://cnc-yachts.com/personal_maps/map.php I found it at mapbuilder.com ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 14:54:46 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com From: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Hey, everybody knows "The Rapper," by the immortal Jaggerz out of Pittsburgh, PA. But for extra credit points (no Googling, now....) - who was the immortal lead singer of the Jaggerz? A hint - he could also play that funky music..... ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 12:46 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:39:41 AM Central Standard Time, > cardclctor@aol.com writes: > I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like that? > frap, frap, frap, they call me the frapper > frap, frap, frap, that nobody's after > name that tune! ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 18:47:36 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? I know Dick Cummings was either building a new house moving plus a new (adoption) child but our Christmas card was also returned and no reply from him ================= To: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:50:53 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: Roof Hope the attachment comes through....needless to say, we have been having a bit of weather. The picture is what used to be the inflatable roof of 60,000 seat BC Place, where the Grey Cup Champ BC Lions play, or used to.....it's in downtown Vancouver...this happened this No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.5/616 - Release Date: 1/4/2007 ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 19:04:50 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Roof looks like texas stadium ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:33:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! I have an unfair advantage on that one. I went to Geneva College, which is in Beaver Falls Pa, the real home of the Jaggerz (and Donnie Iris). Just happens to be 30 miles north of Pittsburgh, so the geographically challenged just say they are from Pittsburgh. P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. ----- Original Message ----- From: malsman250@neo.rr.com Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: smartalecx@aol.com Cc: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Hey, everybody knows "The Rapper," by the immortal Jaggerz out of > Pittsburgh, PA. But for extra credit points (no Googling, now....) - > who was the immortal lead singer of the Jaggerz? > A hint - he could also play that funky music..... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: smartalecx@aol.com > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 12:46 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:39:41 AM Central Standard Time, > > cardclctor@aol.com writes: > > > > I think we did do that before.... frappr.com or something like > that?> > > > > > > frap, frap, frap, they call me the frapper > > > > frap, frap, frap, that nobody's after > > > > > > name that tune! > > ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:05:52 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:05:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: rdn56@nc.rr.com In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. Great one Bob but I know it... "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but the song never reached #1. "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one #1 in 1968 mentions Joe Dimaggio but the real answer is.... "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe Dimaggio, Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle. Joshua Levine Mr. Trivia lives!! ================= Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 03:02:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: 75 minis available I picked up a bunch of these guys at a show in November. While I kept my wantlist updated, I was not up to date with sorting my cards. Here are just a few minis looking for a new home. Have at 'em. 314 316 343 382 386 388 400 527 561 587 ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 22:14:31 EST To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! In a message dated 1/5/2007 6:42:37 PM Central Standard Time, rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. joe dimaggio is an easy one -- mrs robinson what about the steve goodman song? willie, mickey and the duke? ================= Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 23:01:05 EST To: rdn56@nc.rr.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! In a message dated 1/5/2007 9:17:42 PM Central Standard Time, rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: Nope, that was never a big national hit. was pretty big in chicago, but this is where steve goodman was from ================= To: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 23:21:32 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:Prewar Variations discovered Thanks again for your keen eye, Mike I've never heard of different ads on the backs of 1940 Playballs and haven't found any guides that mention them. I guess I never even read the ads on the bottoms although I always read the back of every card before I file it. The ads seem to vary considerably. I dread the thought of looking for two or three versions of every card in the set since I'm only about half way there George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:16:45 -0500 To: Wite3@aol.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of songs like "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D also, and maybe some others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is another number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. > Great one Bob but I know it... > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but > the song > never reached #1. > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one > #1 in 1968 > mentions Joe Dimaggio > but the real answer is.... > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe > Dimaggio, > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle. > Joshua Levine > Mr. Trivia lives!! ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:00:12 EST To: vrechek@ameritech.net, Mikesportsfan@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Prewar Variations discovered Content-Language: en In a message dated 1/5/2007 11:23:31 PM Central Standard Time, vrechek@ameritech.net writes: Thanks again for your keen eye, Mike I=E2=99ve never heard of different ads on the backs of 1940 Playballs and t found any guides that mention them. I guess I never even read the ads on the bottoms although I always read the back of every card before I file it. ads seem to vary considerably. I dread the thought of looking for two or three versions of every card in the set since I=E2=99m only about half way there now. George Vrechek ahh, something new for george to search for! ================= Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2007 22:17:21 -0500 To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Nope, that was never a big national hit. ----- Original Message ----- From: Smartalecx@aol.com Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > In a message dated 1/5/2007 6:42:37 PM Central Standard Time, > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. > joe dimaggio is an easy one -- mrs robinson > what about the steve goodman song? willie, mickey and the duke? ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 02:31:27 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Denise Fortier Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 01:44:20 -0800 (PST) From: Denise Fortier Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? To: talbot1@comcast.net All, I never gone very far since going inactive a few years back. I've keep one eye on the ramblings, and my thoughts to myself. While I stayed active in the hobby by doing my one show a month, my collecting days of sports cards came to an end. The group has grown from the 50 or so members when Ken M. and I joined, and I think he was a couple of months ahead of me.The yearly Vegas was ending, and I guess in general things were changing. I had watched a few close friends leave OBC, return, and leave again. I knew that was not what I wanted to do, so I sat on the side for a while and then finally decided to go inactive. It may be hard for some to understand how members can move to the side, and even harder for some of us to explain. . In a recent email Geo attached a short note that I had sent him, where i said " I'm still sucking air, and doing my best to stay off the list at the bottom of the directory. On AUG 22nd they found a tumor on the right right side of the brain. 4 days later, a decision was made to remove it as soon as possible. They needed 6 days to get the aspirin and Plavic out of my system. On Sept 6 They preformed Surgery at CINN in Chicago, a semi private 25 bed hospital. They were unable to remove the tumor. They felt 95 % sure that they would paralyze me if they removed it. It is cancer, and it is stage 4. There is no stage 5, so you get an idea where I stand. I have been through a Gama Knife procedure on Sept 12. From there I went through 49 days of Chemo, (7 days a week for 7 weeks) and did 35 radiation treatments at the same time (5 days a week) We have never asked the ultimate question of the doctors, as it was fairly clear that is was as bad as it gets. The last checkup on Dec 6 showed "some" improvement in the reduction of brain swelling, and the size of the tumor. After a short break from Chemo, that have restarted that procedure and will continue for x amount of days for 5 months. As I stated to Geo and Geno, I'm working real hard to stay somewhere near the middle of the directory, but if it goes the other way, doo - doo happens. It has a lot to do with attitude and some "chit luck". I've had the right attitude from day one and maybe with a little more of the other stuff, all will work out in the long run. In short, Things are better now then they were on Aug 22nd, but they are a LONG way from being good. The worst part, has been making sure that all of our personnel issues were in order in a very short amount of time. Now, all you need to do is find Dick, who I'm sure is just 50 miles up the road in Elgin, and Jeff. I was easy, as I've been here all the time, just hiding behind the trees. David (still taking air in through the intake) talbot1@comcast.net wrote: Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate it. Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 03:37:22 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Denise Fortier Subject: RE: Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? All, I never gone very far since going inactive a few years back. I've keep one eye on the ramblings, and my thoughts to myself. While I stayed active in the hobby by doing my one show a month, my collecting days of sports cards came to an end. The group has grown from the 50 or so members when Ken M. and I joined, and I think he was a couple of months ahead of me.The yearly Vegas was ending, and I guess in general things were changing. I had watched a few close friends leave OBC, return, and leave again. I knew that was not what I wanted to do, so I sat on the side for a while and then finally decided to go inactive. It may be hard for some to understand how members can move to the side, and even harder for some of us to explain. . In a recent email Geo attached a short note that I had sent him, where i said " I'm still sucking air, and doing my best to stay off the list at the bottom of the directory. On AUG 22nd they found a tumor on the right right side of the brain. 4 days later, a decision was made to remove it as soon as possible. They needed 6 days to get the aspirin and Plavic out of my system. On Sept 6 They preformed Surgery at CINN in Chicago, a semi private 25 bed hospital. They were unable to remove the tumor. They felt 95 % sure that they would paralyze me if they removed it. It is cancer, and it is stage 4. There is no stage 5, so you get an idea where I stand. I have been through a Gama Knife procedure on Sept 12. From there I went through 49 days of Chemo, (7 days a week for 7 weeks) and did 35 radiation treatments at the same time (5 days a week) We have never asked the ultimate question of the doctors, as it was fairly clear that is was as bad as it gets. The last checkup on Dec 6 showed "some" improvement in the reduction of brain swelling, and the size of the tumor. After a short break from Chemo, that have restarted that procedure and will continue for x amount of days for 5 months. As I stated to Geo and Geno, I'm working real hard to stay somewhere near the middle of the directory, but if it goes the other way, doo - doo happens. It has a lot to do with attitude and some "chit luck". I've had the right attitude from day one and maybe with a little more of the other stuff, all will work out in the long run. In short, Things are better now then they were on Aug 22nd, but they are a LONG way from being good. The worst part, has been making sure that all of our personnel issues were in order in a very short amount of time. Now, all you need to do is find Dick, who I'm sure is just 50 miles up the road in Elgin, and Jeff. I was easy, as I've been here all the time, just hiding behind the trees. David (still taking air in through the intake) talbot1@comcast.net wrote: Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate it. Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------ -------- MARK ================= To: rdn56@nc.rr.com Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 13:02:40 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry. I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure if it's about Joe Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for "The Rose" by Bette Milder -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the > 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of songs like > "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D also, and > maybe some others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is another > number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Wite3@aol.com > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > > > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs between > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. > > Great one Bob but I know it... > > > > > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but > > the song > > never reached #1. > > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one > > #1 in 1968 > > mentions Joe Dimaggio > > > > but the real answer is.... > > > > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe > > Dimaggio, > > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle. > > > > Joshua Levine > > Mr. Trivia lives!! > > > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: dkolenda@sbcglobal.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 08:51:51 -0500 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff I am sure I speak for everyone that we wish you the best in your battle. How about sending us a couple of wantlists so we can see about sending you some healing power of cardboard. I know it has done wonders for others in the group. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: dkolenda@sbcglobal.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 5:31 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Note: forwarded message attached. Attached Message Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Date:Sat, 6 Jan 2007 4:44 AM All, I never gone very far since going inactive a few years back. I've keep one eye on the ramblings, and my thoughts to myself. While I stayed active in the hobby by doing my one show a month, my collecting days of sports cards came to an end. The group has grown from the 50 or so members when Ken M. and I joined, and I think he was a couple of months ahead of me.The yearly Vegas was ending, and I guess in general things were changing. I had watched a few close friends leave OBC, return, and leave again. I knew that was not what I wanted to do, so I sat on the side for a while and then finally decided to go inactive. It may be hard for some to understand how members can move to the side, and even harder for some of us to explain. . In a recent email Geo attached a short note that I had sent him, where i said " I'm still sucking air, and doing my best to stay off the list at the bottom of the directory. On AUG 22nd they found a tumor on the right right side of the brain. 4 days later, a decision was made to remove it as soon as possible. They needed 6 days to get the aspirin and Plavic out of my system. On Sept 6 They preformed Surgery at CINN in Chicago, a semi private 25 bed hospital. They were unable to remove the tumor. They felt 95 % sure that they would paralyze me if they removed it. It is cancer, and it is stage 4. There is no stage 5, so you get an idea where I stand. I have been through a Gama Knife procedure on Sept 12. From there I went through 49 days of Chemo, (7 days a week for 7 weeks) and did 35 radiation treatments at the same time (5 days a week) We have never asked the ultimate question of the doctors, as it was fairly clear that is was as bad as it gets. The last checkup on Dec 6 showed "some" improvement in the reduction of brain swelling, and the size of the tumor. After a short break from Chemo, that have restarted that procedure and will continue for x amount of days for 5 months. As I stated to Geo and Geno, I'm working real hard to stay somewhere near the middle of the directory, but if it goes the other way, doo - doo happens. It has a lot to do with attitude and some "chit luck". I've had the right attitude from day one and maybe with a little more of the other stuff, all will work out in the long run. In short, Things are better now then they were on Aug 22nd, but they are a LONG way from being good. The worst part, has been making sure that all of our personnel issues were in order in a very short amount of time. Now, all you need to do is find Dick, who I'm sure is just 50 miles up the road in Elgin, and Jeff. I was easy, as I've been here all the time, just hiding behind the trees. David (still taking air in through the intake) talbot1@comcast.net wrote: Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate it. Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: 6 Jan 2007 16:13:33 -0000 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, dkolenda@sbcglobal.net, From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Ditto what Mike said. We will all be keeping you in our thoughts and prayers. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I am sure I speak for everyone that we wish you the best in your battle. How about sending us a couple of wantlists so we can see about sending you some healing power of cardboard. I know it has done wonders for others in the group. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: dkolenda@sbcglobal.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 5:31 AM Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann??? Note: forwarded message attached. Attached Message Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Date:Sat, 6 Jan 2007 4:44 AM All, I never gone very far since going inactive a few years back. I've keep one eye on the ramblings, and my thoughts to myself. While I stayed active in the hobby by doing my one show a month, my collecting days of sports cards came to an end. The group has grown from the 50 or so members when Ken M. and I joined, and I think he was a couple of months ahead of me.The yearly Vegas was ending, and I guess in general things were changing. I had watched a few close friends leave OBC, return, and leave again. I knew that was not what I wanted to do, so I sat on the side for a while and then finally decided to go inactive. It may be hard for some to understand how members can move to the side, and even harder for some of us to explain. . In a recent email Geo attached a short note that I had sent him, where i " I'm still sucking air, and doing my best to stay off the list at the bottom of the directory. On AUG 22nd they found a tumor on the right right side of the brain. 4 days later, a decision was made to remove it as soon as possible. They needed 6 days to get the aspirin and Plavic out of my system. On Sept 6 They preformed Surgery at CINN in Chicago, a semi private 25 bed hospital. They were unable to remove the tumor. They felt 95 % sure that they would paralyze me if they removed it. It is cancer, and it is stage 4. There is no stage 5, so you get an idea where I stand. I have been through a Gama Knife procedure on Sept 12. From there I went through 49 days of Chemo, (7 days a week for 7 weeks) and did 35 radiation treatments at the same time (5 days a week) We have never asked the ultimate question of the doctors, as it was fairly clear that is was as bad as it gets. The last checkup on Dec 6 showed "some" improvement in the reduction of brain swelling, and the size of the tumor. After a short break from Chemo, that have restarted that procedure and will continue for x amount of days for 5 months. As I stated to Geo and Geno, I'm working real hard to stay somewhere near the middle of the directory, but if it goes the other way, doo - doo happens. It has a lot to do with attitude and some "chit luck". I've had the right attitude from day one and maybe with a little more of the other stuff, all will work out in the long run. In short, Things are better now then they were on Aug 22nd, but they are a LONG way from being good. The worst part, has been making sure that all of our personnel issues were in order in a very short amount of time. Now, all you need to do is find Dick, who I'm sure is just 50 miles up the road in Elgin, and Jeff. I was easy, as I've been here all the time, just hiding behind the trees. David (still taking air in through the intake) talbot1@comcast.net wrote: Hello All, I am wondering about the whereabouts of Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff Sackmann? I have received my mail back from these OBC brethren marked undeliverable from the U.S.P.S. The addresses correspond with those that are in the directory so PLEASE - if anyone knows where these guys are or better yet if Dick, Dave or Jeff would simply respond to lets us know they are alive and well (new addresses would be great as well) I would really appreciate it. Help me answer the mystery about Dick Cummings, Dave Kolenda and Jeff BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= To: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 12:57:12 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! The closest I could find so far is "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe" To: rdn56@nc.rr.comCC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: obcbobd@comcast.netDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:02:40 +0000Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sureif it's about Joe Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for "The Rose" by Bette Milder-------------- Original message ----------------------From: rdn56@nc.rr.com> Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of songs like> "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D also, and> maybe some others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is another> number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Wite3@aol.com> Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> To: rdn56@nc.rr.com> > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM PacificStandard Time, > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes:> > > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and> > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFersmentioned in #1 pop songs between> > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > Great one Bob but I know it...> > > > > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but > > the song > > never reached #1.> > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one > > #1 in 1968 > > mentions Joe Dimaggio> > > > but the real answer is....> > > > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe > > Dimaggio, > > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle.> > > > Joshua Levine> > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 09:58:05 -0800 (PST) To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, Smartalecx@aol.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! It wasn't Steve Goodman either...Terry Cashman wrote and recorded the song. The official title: "Talkin' Baseball (Willie, Mickey & the Duke)" --- rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote: > Nope, that was never a big national hit. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Smartalecx@aol.com > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:14 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be > cool! > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 6:42:37 PM Central > Standard Time, > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > > > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions > combining music and > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in > #1 pop songs between > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit > tougher. > > > > > > > > joe dimaggio is an easy one -- mrs robinson > > > > what about the steve goodman song? willie, mickey > and the duke? > > I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:36:10 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: Fleer World Series Card help....I think... Going through a box of my friend=92s stuff, came across a card similar to the =9271 Fleer WS set, but it=92s dated 1968=85.the back just has a MLB logo=85..no manufacturer, and no card #.....any guesses? Promo card of some sort? I can=92t find it in my SCD. Scan available for anyone familiar with these things, I=92m not=85. Thanks, Grant No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.6/617 - Release Date: 1/5/2007 ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:12:17 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: my t206 quest I'm still interested in swapping for any and all t206s in any condition so long as they're not trimmed. I've ignored this set since 1995 when I had to sell my partial set to raise the last $2000 for my house downpayment. I'm not sure I'm going to do the whole thing, here are my options and I'd be interested in any feedback or recommendations. option 1 - bite the bullet and just do the set option 2 - collect the t206s which have corresponding t213-2 coupons (I think it's 98 different players) option 3 - collect all the minor and southern leaguers Until I make a decision, I'm interested in all cards. ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:50:18 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fleer World Series Card help....I think... Content-Language: en In a message dated 1/6/2007 11:47:01 AM Pacific Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: Going through a box of my friend=E2=99s stuff, came across a card similar to the =E2=9971 Fleer WS set, but it=E2=99s dated 1968=E2=A6.the back just has a MLB logo=E2=A6..no manufacturer, and no card #.....any guesses? Promo card of some sort? I can=E2=99t find it in my SCD. Scan available for anyone familiar with these things, I=E2=99m Thanks, Grant Look under Laughling World Series. ================= Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600 To: Bob Reed From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt even made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can throw out this one. Ready?? I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on this song either) Greg (yaz) Bob Reed wrote: > The closest I could find so far is "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe" > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: obcbobd@comcast.net > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:02:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry. > I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure if it's about Joe > Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for "The > Rose" by Bette Milder > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the > > 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of > songs like > > "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D > also, and > > maybe some others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is > another > > number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wite3@aol.com > > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > > > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > > > > > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs > between > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. > > > Great one Bob but I know it... > > > > > > > > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but > > > the song > > > never reached #1. > > > > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one > > > #1 in 1968 > > > mentions Joe Dimaggio > > > > > > but the real answer is.... > > > > > > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe > > > Dimaggio, > > > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle. > > > > > > Joshua Levine > > > Mr. Trivia lives!! > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! ================= To: , Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 18:11:57 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] my t206 quest As you know, the set is so big that it can be overwhelming at times. Frankly, if I don't see a little progress, it isn't a lot of fun for me. Generally, I'd recommend the first option, Go for it! However, you can go focus on subsets as you progress. I started with HOF'ers, moved to SL'ers and finished with commons. All the while you can pick up stuff you find at reasonable prices. It's not one 500+ card set...it's 5 100+ card sets...it's much easier to think about it that way. It is also worth noting that OBC will really be able to help you out. Lotsof people work casually on the set, so people are usually willing to swap t206 dupes for other t206's. I know that this really helped me out. I never would have finished without the help of so many OBC'ers (thanks again!). The downside is that they seem even more popular than they were just a few years ago, so deals are harder to find. Overall, it's the most fun card-related challenge I've tried...and it's oneof the few sets I look at all the time. Worth the effort! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: typecard@aol.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 15:12:17 -0500Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] my t206 quest I'm still interested in swapping for any and all t206s in any condition so long as they're not trimmed. I've ignored this set since 1995 when I had tosell my partial set to raise the last $2000 for my house downpayment. I'm not sure I'm going to do the whole thing, here are my options and I'd be interested in any feedback or recommendations. option 1 - bite the bullet and just do the set option 2 - collect the t206s which have corresponding t213-2 coupons (I think it's 98 different players) option 3 - collect all the minor and southern leaguers Until I make a decision, I'm interested in all cards. Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= To: Yaz , Bob Reed Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 00:35:02 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Sir Duke (Snider) by Stevie Wonder ;-) -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Yaz > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to > myself 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I > doubt even made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that > song), I figure I can throw out this one. Ready?? > I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on this song either) > Greg (yaz) > Bob Reed wrote: > > > > The closest I could find so far is "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe" > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > From: obcbobd@comcast.net > > Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:02:40 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry. > > > > I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure if it's about Joe > > Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for "The > > Rose" by Bette Milder > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > > Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the > > > 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of > > songs like > > > "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D > > also, and > > > maybe some others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is > > another > > > number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Wite3@aol.com > > > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm > > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: > > > > > > > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs > > between > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher. > > > > Great one Bob but I know it... > > > > > > > > > > > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but > > > > the song > > > > never reached #1. > > > > > > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one > > > > #1 in 1968 > > > > mentions Joe Dimaggio > > > > > > > > but the real answer is.... > > > > > > > > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe > > > > Dimaggio, > > > > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle. > > > > > > > > Joshua Levine > > > > Mr. Trivia lives!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > > more. Check it out! > > > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 20:12:23 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". In it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed for the 4 weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talkingabout NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The Singing Anxiously waiting the answer. P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are they? To: boreed@hotmail.comCC: rdn56@nc.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: yazobc@insightbb.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt even made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could find so far is "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@nc.rr.com> CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!>> Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure if it'sabout Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message ----------------------> From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > Nice try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > 1960-1980 qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "We Didn't Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe some others. Whoknows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number one song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- Original Message ----->> From: Wite3@aol.com > > Date: Friday, January 5, 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com > >> > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@nc.rr.com writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and> > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 popsongs> between> > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> >> Great one Bob but I know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" by Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions Joe Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start the Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > >> >> >> >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?localeen-us ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 21:41:40 -0500 To: obcbobd@comcast.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Louie, Louie (Aparicio) by the Kingsmen We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 22:27:22 EST To: Originaleek@webtv.net, obcbobd@comcast.net From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! My wife after serveral hours of searching is sure it is Hey Mickey by B'Witched :) ================= To: typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:29:05 -0500 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my t206 quest You have a lifetime to collect. There should be no rush. That said, you have no choice but to pursue Option #1. If you choose to concentrate on Options 2 and/or 3 before expanding to Option 1 that is "acceptable"! Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: typecard@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 3:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] my t206 quest I'm still interested in swapping for any and all t206s in any condition so long as they're not trimmed. I've ignored this set since 1995 when I had to sell my partial set to raise the last $2000 for my house downpayment. I'm not sure I'm going to do the whole thing, here are my options and I'd be interested in any feedback or recommendations. option 1 - bite the bullet and just do the set option 2 - collect the t206s which have corresponding t213-2 coupons (I think it's 98 different players) option 3 - collect all the minor and southern leaguers Until I make a decision, I'm interested in all cards. Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= To: "Tom Housley" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:40:36 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 card prices - if we knew then what we know now.... Interesting Strand, I remember receiving Boys Life in the late 60's and early 70's as part of my Boy Scout dues and they always listed complete sets from years gone by in the back of the magazine. I never did order any of those sets because $10 was a lot of money for a 15 year old in 1970. Oh the dollars I would have saved had I only known what I do today. I stopped buying cards all together in `71 because of High School & Girls and other interest, I didn't buy another card related item until `89 and the rest as they say is history. I don't even want to estimate the cash I have dumped into my collection since then and I still don't have a complete `60, `61, `62, `63, `64 or `66 set, but they are getting closer all the time. Nice look at what could have been Tom - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Housley" I was digging through a box of old Reds scorebooks from games I attended in the 70's, & ran across a 1972 magazine called "All Time Baseball Greats" - and I thought I'd share what some of the card prices were in the ads: 1972 baseball complete set: $14.95 Choice of series 1-6: $2.95 each 1972 basketball card set: $5.95 1971 Topps FB card set: $5.95 1972 Topps hockey set: $3.95 Those prices were from a place called ATC, located in the Madison Square Garden Center in NYC. And also, in addition to the same price for the 1972 set & series, there were these prices from Wholesale Cards Co. from Georgetown 1970 Topps Football set: $6.95 1969 Topps FB set: $6.95 1968 Topps FB set: $6.95 1967 Philadelphia FB set: $9.95 (that one was a little pricey!) 1966 Topps FB set: $6.45 1965 OPC FB set: $5.95 1971/72 Topps basketball set: $6.95 1970/71 Topps basketball set: $7.95 1969/70 Topps basketball set: $4.95 1971/72 Topps hockey: $8.95 1970/71 Topps hockey: $8.95 1960 Topps hockey: $5.95 & other hockey sets from the early 60's for less than 6 bucks each. 1969 Topps baseball complete set: $15.90 1959 Fleer Ted Williams - 79 cards for $4.95 Wow. Just....wow. Good times. I wonder if any of those places are still in business? And if they still have any of those cards, I could try to get'em for the 1972 prices in the magazine. I'm SURE it would work. Whattaya think? I could order up 50 or 60 series 6 1972's, a few 1969 sets. Ah, to dream. Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got to get back to the basement & continue working on that time machine...... ================= Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 08:30:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards Can anyone give me information about these Topps movie star cards from 1948.Does any member have any of these cards, know how many cards are in the set and who is in the set-reference ebay # 230073202802 http://tinyurl.com/y64wva thankyou, Linda ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 09:07:27 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards These are Topps Magic Photo cards Linda, the 1948 Topps Magic Photos set contains 252 small individual cards featuring sport and non-sport subjects. They are approximately 7/8" X 1 7/16". They were issued in 19 lettered series with cards numbered within each series. The fronts were developed much like a photograph from a blank appearance by using moisture and sunlight. Due to varying degrees of photographic sensitivity, the clarity of these cards ranges greatly. The catalogue designation for these is R714-27. Among the subjects are baseball,basketball, football, boxing, wrestling, track & field, general sports, actors, aviation pioneers, inventors, military leaders, landmarks and explorers. There are (45) Movie Stars in the set and (22) depicted from Stage & Screen for a total of (67) actors and actresses. Hope you find that informative enough Linda, you can access a checklist of the actors at: https://www.gfg.com/baseball/magic5.shtml BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" Can anyone give me information about these Topps movie star cards from 1948.Does any member have any of these cards, know how many cards are in the set and who is in the set-reference ebay # 230073202802 http://tinyurl.com/y64wva thankyou, Linda ================= To: talbot1@comcast.net, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 06:58:48 -0500 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards Linda/Mark & All, I would add that each letter group was for a particular category. I am in Toronto still, so I do not have the lists with me. An example would be all wrestling would be a "D". The Wrestling cards would be numbered 1-10 of 10D. For Military leaders it might be 1-5 of 5T, etc. If you need the letter for each category I have those at home. LMK if you want/need them. I do occasionally see these at shows. BB are usually the most expensive (what else is new) at around $10 for "commons". Other sports commons $2- $7. I would think movie stars & actors/actresses would fall in the $2 - $5 range. Probably very similar to the 1948 Kelloggs Pep card prices, which also contains sports and movie stars. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards These are Topps Magic Photo cards Linda, the 1948 Topps Magic Photos set contains 252 small individual cards featuring sport and non-sport subjects. They are approximately 7/8" X 1 7/16". They were issued in 19 lettered series with cards numbered within each series. The fronts were developed much like a photograph from a blank appearance by using moisture and sunlight. Due to varying degrees of photographic sensitivity, the clarity of these cards ranges greatly. The catalogue designation for these is R714-27. Among the subjects are baseball,basketball, football, boxing, wrestling, track & field, general sports, actors, aviation pioneers, inventors, military leaders, landmarks and explorers. There are (45) Movie Stars in the set and (22) depicted from Stage & Screen for a total of (67) actors and actresses. Hope you find that informative enough Linda, you can access a checklist of the actors at: https://www.gfg.com/baseball/magic5.shtml BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" Can anyone give me information about these Topps movie star cards from 1948.Does any member have any of these cards, know how many cards are in the set and who is in the set-reference ebay # 230073202802 http://tinyurl.com/y64wva thankyou, Linda Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:29:08 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? ----- Original Message ----- From: obcbobd@comcast.net To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob Reed > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed for the > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The > Nun". > Anxiously waiting the answer. > -Bob > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are > To: boreed@hotmail.comCC: rdn56@nc.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: > yazobc@insightbb.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubteven > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could find so far is > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@nc.rr.com> > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!>> > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > ----------------------> From: rdn56@nc.rr.com >> > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > 1960-1980 > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "We Didn't > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybesome > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- Original Message > -----> > From: Wite3@aol.com > > Date: Friday, January > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > rdn56@nc.rr.com > >> > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@nc.rr.com > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like anobvious > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > >> >> >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?localeen-us ================= To: , Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:05:18 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Well the topic changed a little but I still take a certain amount of pride that my Subject carries on !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; obcbobd@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? ----- Original Message ----- From: obcbobd@comcast.net To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob Reed > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed forthe > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The > Nun". > Anxiously waiting the answer. > -Bob > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are > To: boreed@hotmail.comCC: rdn56@nc.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: > yazobc@insightbb.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it tomyself > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could findso far is > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@nc.rr.com> > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > ----------------------> From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > Nice > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > 1960-1980 > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "WeDidn't > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- OriginalMessage > -----> > From: Wite3@aol.com > > Date: Friday, January > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > rdn56@nc.rr.com > >> > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@nc.rr.com > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but I > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> >>> >> >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?localeen-us ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 07:54:59 -0800 (PST) To: Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards Mike and Mark have filled you in on the set, but here's the checklist for the two actors' series: Series F - Stars of Stage and Screen 1. Clark Gable 2. Barbara Stanwyck 3. Lana Turner 4. Ingrid Berman 5. Betty Grable 6. Tyrone Power 7. Olivia DeHavilland 8. Joan Fontaine 9. June Allyson 10. Dorothy Lamour 11. William Powell 12. Sylvia Sydney 13. Van Johnson 14. Virginia Mayo 15. Claudette Colbert 16. Eve Arden 17. Lyn Bari 18. Maureen O'Hara 19. Jean Arthur 20. Hazel Brooks 21. Martha Vickers 22. Noreen Nash Series J - Movie Stars 1. Johnny Mack Brown 2. Andy Clyde 3. Roddy McDowell 4. Keye Luke 5. Jackie Coogan 6. Joe Kirkwood Jr. 7. Jackie Cooper 8. Arthur Lake 9. Sam Levine 10. Binnie Barnes 11. Gertrude Neisen 12. Rory Calhoun 13. June Lockhart 14. Hedy Lamarr 15. Robert Cummings 16. Brian Aherne 17. William Bendix 18. Roland Winters 19. Michael O'Shea 20. Lois Butler 21. Renie Riano 22. Jimmy Wakely 23. Audie Murphy 24. Leo Gorcey 25. Leon Errol 26. Lon Chaney 27. William Frawley 28. Billy Benedict 29. Rod Cameron 30. James Gleason 31. Gilbert Roland 32. Raymond Hatton 33. Joe Yule 34. Eddie Albert 35. Barry Sullivan 36. Richard Basehart 37. Claire Trevor 38. Constance Bennett 39. Gale Storm 40. Elyse Knox 41. Jane Wyatt 42. Whi Wilson 43. Charles Bickford 44. Guy Madison 45. Barton MacLane Linda, this set is probably very well-suited for a collector like you. It has several different sports and a bunch of non-sports items as well. The set is broken into 19 series. They are (# of cards in the series in parentheses): A - Boxing Champions (24) B - All American Basketball (6) C - All American Football (13) D - Wrestling Champions (25) E - Track and Field Champions (17) F - Stars of Stage and Screen (22) G - American Dogs (17) H - General Sports (2) I - (No series issued) J - Movie Stars (45) K - Baseball Hall of Fame (19) L - Aviation Pioneers (9) M - Famous Landmarks (9) N - American Inventors (8) O - American Military Leaders (10) P - American Explorers (2) Q - Basketball Thrills (5) R - Football Thrills (5) S - Figures of the WIld West (7) T - General Sports (7) Hope that helped you...and if it makes you look for more of these, just consider it payback for making me want more of those English tobacco cards you sent me last week! Take care, --- Linda wrote: > Can anyone give me information about these Topps > movie star cards from > 1948.Does any member have any of these cards, know > how many cards are > in the set and who is in the set-reference ebay # > 230073202802 > http://tinyurl.com/y64wva > thankyou, Linda I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 16:03:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: A new kind of error card on EBAY How low will a seller on Ebay go? Check out item # 110074521715. He has it advertised as a PSA error card. It is a completely normal 1974- 75 Washington Capital Team Card in a 1972 George Foster case, he even calls the card PSA 8 (which is the grade given to the Foster card) ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 12:26:27 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Finish these sets--please (and some availables to make you look) Ok, someone out there has these cards...what's it going to take? Trades welcome! So close to completion 1964 Topps: 482 Phillies Rookies 488 Yanks rookie 505 Williams 1970 Topps Scratchoffs (white panel): Kaline, Marichal 1973 Topps Blue Checklists : Angels, Indians 1976 Topps: 192 al batting ldr (carew) 200 al victory ldr (catfish, blue, palmer) 1977 Topps: 259 Mets 400 Garvey Further away, but hopeful: 1957 Topps: 30 Pee Wee 90 Spahn 271 276 277 Podres 284 286 Richardson 287 290 305 313 317 Giants 322 Reds 323 324 Dodgers 326 343 (I have mid high dupes of 298, 301 if anybody wants to trade) Here are some freebies to claim: 1954 Bowman: 53 61 78 123 222 1957: 32 69 71 219 256 373 402 1962 Post: 98 162 1963 Post: 76 77 124 125 157 1964: 18 24 66 75 76 95 102 107 148 189 1970 Scratchoffs: Bosman, Hegan, Osteen 1974: 6 1975 mini 106 116 317 323 341 359 403 480 514 643 647 648 655 Let me know... Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip51 ================= To: Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:56:07 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Mystery availables I found an envelope of cards that I think I set aside for someone and nevergot back to. Do these cards sound like I may have pulled them for you in the last month or two? I thought they might be for Linda but they don't seem to match her list. 59T #376 (I think this came from the famous Atnip fire at the card store find) 70T #250 McCovey well creased 75T #185 Carlton, #300 Jackson and #638 Cubs team (all approaching Tipton Mint If somebody needs them all I'll figure they were for you but if not feel free to claim them separately. ================= Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:46:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Geno, you probably mean Me and Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin. I don't think any of the guesses so far refer to a HOFer by full name in the lyrics or title. I know that Sir Duke refers to Duke Ellington. What about Welcome Back by John Sebastian? Not sure about any reference to any Brooklyn Dodgers..... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: obcbobd@... > To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Bob Reed > > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". In > > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed for the 4 > > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > > > > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The Singing > > Nun". > > > > Anxiously waiting the answer. > > -Bob > > > > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are they? > > > > > > To: boreed@...: rdn56@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > yazobc@...: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > > > > > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself > > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt even > > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can > > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could find so far is > > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@...> > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@...> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!>> > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure > > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for > > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > > ----------------------> From: rdn56@... > > > > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > > > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "We Didn't > > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe some > > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number one > > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- Original Message > > -----> > From: Wite3@... > > Date: Friday, January 5, > > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > > rdn56@... > >> > > In a message dated > > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@... > > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and> > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but I > > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious > > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" by > > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions Joe > > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start the > > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > >> >> >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx? ================= To: "Chris Stufflestreet" , Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:11:50 -0500 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards Concerning these 1948 Topps Magic Photos - I once found one in basically a pile of junk....it was the Babe Ruth. Life just ain't that good very often. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Stufflestreet To: Linda ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1st topps cards -1948?Movie star cards Mike and Mark have filled you in on the set, but here's the checklist for the two actors' series: Series F - Stars of Stage and Screen 1. Clark Gable 2. Barbara Stanwyck 3. Lana Turner 4. Ingrid Berman 5. Betty Grable 6. Tyrone Power 7. Olivia DeHavilland 8. Joan Fontaine 9. June Allyson 10. Dorothy Lamour 11. William Powell 12. Sylvia Sydney 13. Van Johnson 14. Virginia Mayo 15. Claudette Colbert 16. Eve Arden 17. Lyn Bari 18. Maureen O'Hara 19. Jean Arthur 20. Hazel Brooks 21. Martha Vickers 22. Noreen Nash Series J - Movie Stars 1. Johnny Mack Brown 2. Andy Clyde 3. Roddy McDowell 4. Keye Luke 5. Jackie Coogan 6. Joe Kirkwood Jr. 7. Jackie Cooper 8. Arthur Lake 9. Sam Levine 10. Binnie Barnes 11. Gertrude Neisen 12. Rory Calhoun 13. June Lockhart 14. Hedy Lamarr 15. Robert Cummings 16. Brian Aherne 17. William Bendix 18. Roland Winters 19. Michael O'Shea 20. Lois Butler 21. Renie Riano 22. Jimmy Wakely 23. Audie Murphy 24. Leo Gorcey 25. Leon Errol 26. Lon Chaney 27. William Frawley 28. Billy Benedict 29. Rod Cameron 30. James Gleason 31. Gilbert Roland 32. Raymond Hatton 33. Joe Yule 34. Eddie Albert 35. Barry Sullivan 36. Richard Basehart 37. Claire Trevor 38. Constance Bennett 39. Gale Storm 40. Elyse Knox 41. Jane Wyatt 42. Whi Wilson 43. Charles Bickford 44. Guy Madison 45. Barton MacLane Linda, this set is probably very well-suited for a collector like you. It has several different sports and a bunch of non-sports items as well. The set is broken into 19 series. They are (# of cards in the series in parentheses): A - Boxing Champions (24) B - All American Basketball (6) C - All American Football (13) D - Wrestling Champions (25) E - Track and Field Champions (17) F - Stars of Stage and Screen (22) G - American Dogs (17) H - General Sports (2) I - (No series issued) J - Movie Stars (45) K - Baseball Hall of Fame (19) L - Aviation Pioneers (9) M - Famous Landmarks (9) N - American Inventors (8) O - American Military Leaders (10) P - American Explorers (2) Q - Basketball Thrills (5) R - Football Thrills (5) S - Figures of the WIld West (7) T - General Sports (7) Hope that helped you...and if it makes you look for more of these, just consider it payback for making me want more of those English tobacco cards you sent me last week! Take care, --- Linda wrote: > Can anyone give me information about these Topps > movie star cards from > 1948.Does any member have any of these cards, know > how many cards are > in the set and who is in the set-reference ebay # > 230073202802 > http://tinyurl.com/y64wva > thankyou, Linda I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:30:57 -0500 To: chuckparis@comcast.net (Chuck Paris) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: , , "geno.wagner" From: "Chuck Paris" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 10:05:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Well the topic changed a little but I still take a certain amount of pride that my Subject carries on !!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; obcbobd@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? ----- Original Message ----- From: obcbobd@comcast.net To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Bob Reed > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed forthe > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The > Nun". > Anxiously waiting the answer. > -Bob > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are > To: boreed@hotmail.comCC: rdn56@nc.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: > yazobc@insightbb.comDate: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it tomyself > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could findso far is > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@nc.rr.com> > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@comcast.net> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > ----------------------> From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > > Nice > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > 1960-1980 > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "WeDidn't > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- OriginalMessage > -----> > From: Wite3@aol.com > > Date: Friday, January > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > rdn56@nc.rr.com > >> > > In a message dated 1/5/2007 > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@nc.rr.com > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but I > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> >>> >> >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > __________________________________________________________ > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx?localeen-us ================= To: , Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:10:11 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Joe -- I know - it was actually a feeble joke for any Dead fans... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Isaac To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Geno, you probably mean Me and Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin. I don't think any of the guesses so far refer to a HOFer by full name in the lyrics or title. I know that Sir Duke refers to Duke Ellington. What about Welcome Back by John Sebastian? Not sure about any reference to any Brooklyn Dodgers..... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: obcbobd@... > To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Bob Reed > > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". In > > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed for the 4 > > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > > > > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The Singing > > Nun". > > > > Anxiously waiting the answer. > > -Bob > > > > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are they? > > > > > > To: boreed@...: rdn56@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > yazobc@...: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > > > > > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself > > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt even > > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can > > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could find so far is > > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@...> > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@...> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!>> > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure > > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for > > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > > ----------------------> From: rdn56@... > > > > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > > > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "We Didn't > > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe some > > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number one > > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- Original Message > > -----> > From: Wite3@... > > Date: Friday, January 5, > > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > > rdn56@... > >> > > In a message dated > > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@... > > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and> > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but I > > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious > > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" by > > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions Joe > > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start the > > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > >> >> >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx? ================= To: "geno.wagner" , , Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:40:27 -0500 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! How bout that old Sonny & Cher favorite - I got you, Babe! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Joe Isaac Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:10 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Joe -- I know - it was actually a feeble joke for any Dead fans... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Isaac To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Geno, you probably mean Me and Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin. I don't think any of the guesses so far refer to a HOFer by full name in the lyrics or title. I know that Sir Duke refers to Duke Ellington. What about Welcome Back by John Sebastian? Not sure about any reference to any Brooklyn Dodgers..... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: obcbobd@... > To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Bob Reed > > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits". In > > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and stayed for the 4 > > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of the top spot. > > > > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we were talking > > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique (Wilkins) by The Singing > > Nun". > > > > Anxiously waiting the answer. > > -Bob > > > > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall of Fame are they? > > > > > > To: boreed@...: rdn56@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > yazobc@...: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > > > > > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and kept it to myself > > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy which I doubt even > > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), I figure I can > > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. (wasn't too keen on > > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I could find so far is > > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> To: rdn56@...> > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@...> Date: Sat, 6 Jan > > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!>> > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and I'm not even sure > > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the HOF. Ditto for > > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > > ----------------------> From: rdn56@... > > > > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > > > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs like> > "We Didn't > > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, and> > maybe some > > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> another> > number one > > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- Original Message > > -----> > From: Wite3@... > > Date: Friday, January 5, > > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool!> > To: > > rdn56@... > >> > > In a message dated > > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@... > > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions combining music and> > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop songs> between> > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great one Bob but I > > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty seems like an obvious > > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > "Mrs. Robinson" by > > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > mentions Joe > > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We Didn't Start the > > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > Roy Campanella, > > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia lives!!> > >> >> >> > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > > ----------------------------------------------------------> Get the Live.com > > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check it out! > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx? ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 13:05:37 -0800 To: Bill Malson , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! How about Black Sabbath's Iron Man ( Joe McGinnity ) :):):) OBC Forever ---- Bill Malson wrote: > How bout that old Sonny & Cher favorite - I got you, Babe! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: geno.wagner > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Joe Isaac > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Joe -- > I know - it was actually a feeble joke for any Dead fans... > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Isaac > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Geno, you probably mean Me and Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin. I don't > think any of the guesses so far refer to a HOFer by full name in the > lyrics or title. I know that Sir Duke refers to Duke Ellington. > What about Welcome Back by John Sebastian? Not sure about any > reference to any Brooklyn Dodgers..... > Joe > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" > wrote: > > > > What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: obcbobd@... > > To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Bob Reed > > > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of > Top 40 Hits". In > > > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and > stayed for the 4 > > > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of > the top spot. > > > > > > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we > were talking > > > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique > (Wilkins) by The Singing > > > Nun". > > > > > > Anxiously waiting the answer. > > > -Bob > > > > > > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall > of Fame are they? > > > > > > > > > To: boreed@...: rdn56@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > > yazobc@...: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > > > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and > kept it to myself > > > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy > which I doubt even > > > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), > I figure I can > > > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. > (wasn't too keen on > > > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I > could find so far is > > > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > To: rdn56@...> > > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@...> Date: > Sat, 6 Jan > > > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't > this be cool!>> > > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and > I'm not even sure > > > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the > HOF. Ditto for > > > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > > > ----------------------> From: rdn56@... > > > Nice > > > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > > 1960-1980 > > > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs > like> > "We Didn't > > > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, > and> > maybe some > > > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> > another> > number one > > > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- > Original Message > > > -----> > From: Wite3@... > > Date: Friday, > January 5, > > > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't > this be cool!> > To: > > > rdn56@... > >> > > In a message dated > 1/5/2007 > > > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@... > > > > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions > combining music and> > > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop > songs> between> > > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great > one Bob but I > > > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty > seems like an obvious > > > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by > > > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > > mentions Joe > > > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We > Didn't Start the > > > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > > Roy Campanella, > > > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia > lives!!> > >> >> >> > > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > Get the Live.com > > > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check > it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx? > locale=en-us > > ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:02:47 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: 2007 Update Well...Finally got two seconds to spare and updated my wantlists...2006 was a pretty good year especially for my phillies list. Between the National, some creative ebay searches, and some trades nearly knocked an entire page off the list. As it stands it is just over 14 pages long. My goal for 2007 is to get it to around 13 1/2 pages by 2008. My regular set list did take a few hits at the national but not a ton of activity there lately. 2006 saw my get my first two N172 Old Judge Hall of Famers (Delehanty and McCarthy), add a Sealtest, 2 1948 Leaf SPs, 1 American Caramel, 13 different Phillie 1920s cards, 6 new Phillie exhibits, 37 different '80s oddballs, and an extremely rare U of Penn. schedule card featuring Dooin. I also nearly completed my t205 master set. Only need 2 Wilhelm suffe ed and the two Hoblitzell and a Drum back. Picked up 13 new Obaks this year including my first 150 series. I would love to finish my nu-scoops set, '64 topps set, and '56 topps set this year. Also gonna be starting a diamond stars set this year but not sure how seriously I am going to take it. Happy new year and good luck to all. _http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/wite3.htm_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/wite3.htm) _http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/philwant.htm_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/philwant.htm) ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:21:41 -0800 (PST) To: Originaleek@webtv.net, Chuck Paris From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Going over the #1 pop singles from '60-'80 in my head, I think we're missing an obvious title...and the following quote from OBC's beloved "The Book": "Van Lingle Mungo is the only baseball player to have a hit song named after him. With the possible exception of Sonny Siebert and Blue Moon Odom." Well, Bobby Hebb's "Sunny" was a Top 10 hit in '66 but the Marcels went all the way to #1 in '61 with "Blue Moon." Even though John "Blue Moon" Odom was still in grade school when the song was a hit, I say it still counts as an answer to the original question. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 17:51:35 -0500 To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! I think the question was about HOFers. We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Bill Malson , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Joe Isaac , "geno.wagner" Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:32:53 +0000 From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! ok, to loosely follow Brian's logic, how about the Allman Brothers' "Ramblin Man". Couldn't that have been written for Mike Morgan or Deacon McGuire (12 teams each)? -------------- Original message -------------- From: How about Black Sabbath's Iron Man ( Joe McGinnity ) :):):) OBC Forever ---- Bill Malson wrote: > How bout that old Sonny & Cher favorite - I got you, Babe! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: geno.wagner > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Joe Isaac > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 2:10 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Joe -- > I know - it was actually a feeble joke for any Dead fans... > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Isaac > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:46 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > Geno, you probably mean Me and Bobby McGee by Janis Joplin. I don't > think any of the guesses so far refer to a HOFer by full name in the > lyrics or title. I know that Sir Duke refers to Duke Ellington. > What about Welcome Back by John Sebastian? Not sure about any > reference to any Brooklyn Dodgers..... > Joe > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" > wrote: > > > > What about Me and Willie McGee by The Grateful Dead? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: obcbobd@... > > To: Bob Reed ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 1:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > Turn the (Satchell) Page by Bob Segar > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: Bob Reed > > > One of my favorite reference books is "The Billboard Book of > Top 40 Hits". In > > > it I found that "Dizzy" reached the #1 spot on 3/15/69 and > stayed for the 4 > > > weeks until "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" knocked it out of > the top spot. > > > > > > Sir Duke and I Got you Babe are some good ones as well. If we > were talking > > > about NBA Hall of Famers you could throw out "Dominique > (Wilkins) by The Singing > > > Nun". > > > > > > Anxiously waiting the answer. > > > -Bob > > > > > > P.S. Leroy Brown and Bobby McGee aren't in the Baseball Hall > of Fame are they? > > > > > > > > > To: boreed@...: rdn56@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > > yazobc@...: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 17:04:34 -0600Subject: Re: > > > [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ok, I know this isn't it but I thought of it yesterday and > kept it to myself > > > 'cause it's kinda lame but, since Bob can throw out Dizzy > which I doubt even > > > made it to #1, (mainly I doubt it because I hated that song), > I figure I can > > > throw out this one. Ready??I Got You Babe by Sonny and Cher. > (wasn't too keen on > > > this song either)Greg (yaz)Bob Reed wrote:>> The closest I > could find so far is > > > "Dizzy (Dean) by Tommy Roe">>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > To: rdn56@...> > > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> From: obcbobd@...> Date: > Sat, 6 Jan > > > 2007 13:02:40 +0000> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't > this be cool!>> > > > Say it ain't so Joe - Roger Daltry.>> I doubt it made #1 and > I'm not even sure > > > if it's about Joe> Jackson, and even if it was he's not in the > HOF. Ditto for > > > "The> Rose" by Bette Milder>> -------------- Original message > > > ----------------------> From: rdn56@... > > > Nice > > > try Josh, Mrs. Robinson is the easy one, but you missed the> > > 1960-1980 > > > qualifier in the question. I limited it because of> songs > like> > "We Didn't > > > Start the Fire", "Vogue" by Madonna--mentions Joe D> also, > and> > maybe some > > > others. Who knows what rappers mention what. There is> > another> > number one > > > song in the 1960-80 range that mentions a HOFer.> >> > ----- > Original Message > > > -----> > From: Wite3@... > > Date: Friday, > January 5, > > > 2007 10:05 pm> > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't > this be cool!> > To: > > > rdn56@... > >> > > In a message dated > 1/5/2007 > > > 4:40:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,> > > rdn56@... > > > > writes:> > >> > > P.S. One of my favorite trivia questions > combining music and> > > > > > baseball--who are the only 2 HOFers mentioned in #1 pop > songs> between> > > > > > 1960-1980? One is a gimme, the other a bit tougher.> > > Great > one Bob but I > > > know it...> > >> > >> > > "Centerfield" by the J. Fogarty > seems like an obvious > > > choice but> > > the song> > > never reached #1.> > >> > > > "Mrs. Robinson" by > > > Simon and Garfunkel is certainly the easy one> > > #1 in 1968> > > > mentions Joe > > > Dimaggio> > >> > > but the real answer is....> > >> > > "We > Didn't Start the > > > Fire" by Billy Joel #1 in 1989 mentions Joe> > > Dimaggio,> > > > Roy Campanella, > > > and Mickey Mantle.> > >> > > Joshua Levine> > > Mr. Trivia > lives!!> > >> >> >> > > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links> >> >> >>>>> > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> > Get the Live.com > > > Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. Check > it out! > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > > Get into the holiday spirit, chat with Santa on Messenger. > > > http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/santabot/default.aspx? > locale=en-us > > ================= Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:31:09 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Okay, this has gathered more life than I ever expected, and I have to admit, I am truly impressed (as is my wife) with the creativity (if no correctness) of many of the answers. No, no one has given the correct answer, but someone, who I won't yet name, has come awfully close. I'll admit, I grew up in in the 60's and 70's (ok, I've never really grown up, heck, I still play with baseball cards) listening to countdown shows on the radio, and then when Casey Kasem came along, it was a must listen. I dare say I can give the artist of just about every top 40 song from the 70's, and most from the 60's. As far as creativity goes, my favorite was the Marcels Blue Moon--very good. Runner up was Dizzy as it was a #1 for Tommy Roe (was his nickname Preacher?). And following the #1 scheme, Mickey was a neat try--although it was Toni Basil, now B'Witched who had the #1 hit with it I'll give the answer on Tuesday, but for today I'll just add one more hint. This song does not have the name of the HOFer in the title. The song is from the 70's, and it was done by a one hit wonder. Go Eagles! (halftime is nearly over, so I have to get back to the tube) ================= Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 19:05:40 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: NY SHOW Hello all, On January 19th-21st white plains NY will be hosting a baseball card show. Its not Fort Washington, but its not bad. I am going either Saturday morning, I was wondering if anyone else is attending and wanted to meet up. swap some cardboard, and swap some storied and just bull shit alittle. Let me know. Call me iuf you guys are thinking of coming and i will get you directions my cel # is 914-409-2365 Hope to see a bunch of ya there Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 03:48:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Availables Won these for 25 cents each yesterday on card shop bid board and am making them available to the group- would help if you put your name and address in e-mail requesting them- thanks, Linda 55 Topps All American FB # 75-Hugh Gallarneau-Halfback- Stanford Now baseball, 53 Bowman # 19- Al Dark 54 Topps # 35-Brooklyn Dodger Jim Gilliam 66 topps # 288-Bill Singer/Don Sutton Dodger rookies 66 topps # 410-Al Kaline 68 Topps # 20- Brooks Robinson This one cost me 75 cents:( had to outbid a couple of guys but thought a Mays for 75 cents was worth it) 61 Topps # 482-National League MVP Willie Mays and speaking of Mays i think i will send to each requestor who gets one of the availables a "suprise" Mays card from a batch of 30 another collector gave me at the card shop. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 09:18:41 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! I got it! "(Connie) Mack the Knife". p.s. Bob, how about a hint on the decade. 60's? or 70's? Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:03:28 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Honesdale Info Does anyone know any card shop located in or around Honesdale, PA 18431 ? Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 14:28:14 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: NY Show (White Plains) I am undecided about going at present. I may go on Saturday but I have a nagging feeling we have some family thing going that day. It's not a bad show at all if you have not attended and is just off Route 287. ================= Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:59:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Re: NY Show (White Plains) I will be there on Saturday. Tom Massimo ================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 15:22:30 EST To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: NY Show (White Plains) I will probably go on Sunday. ================= To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 22:01:34 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Clemente 62 Post blueline Anyone looking for a still relatively cheap 62 Post Clemente Blue line around stats variation--here is one closing around midnight EST. Bid is presently 12.38 with only 1.50 shipping 220067547295 is the eBay id Full link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:ONA:US:11&Item=220067547295 ================= Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:54:12 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! Yes, Bob Reed remembers correctly--it was the 70's (first half of the decade) (And Paradise By the Dashboard Light, while a great song, didn't do to well on the charts, it came as close to #1 as the Tampa Bay Devilrays ever have--and I don't mean #1 draft choice ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 9:19 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > I got it! "(Connie) Mack the Knife". > -Bob > p.s. Bob, how about a hint on the decade. 60's? or 70's? > _________________________________________________________________ > Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio > powered by Pandora. > http://radio.msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:08:53 -0800 (PST) To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be cool! OK everyone... I'm going to help us out here...my "other" (non-card related) website has a list of EVERY #1 single on the Billboard charts from 1970-'79. Here's a link to the http://www.geocities.com/cstuff84/number1s.html Other than "Billy, Don't Be a Hero" -- no way that song was about Billy Martin -- or "Ben" which was definitely somebody's name but the song was about a pet rat, I'm drawing a blank on these. --- rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote: > Yes, Bob Reed remembers correctly--it was the 70's > (first half of the > decade) (And Paradise By the Dashboard Light, while > a great song, didn't > do to well on the charts, it came as close to #1 as > the Tampa Bay > Devilrays ever have--and I don't mean #1 draft > choice > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Reed > Date: Monday, January 8, 2007 9:19 am > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Wouldn't this be > cool! > To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > I got it! "(Connie) Mack the Knife". > > > > -Bob > > > > p.s. Bob, how about a hint on the decade. 60's? > or 70's? > > > > > > > > > > Type your favorite song. Get a customized > station. Try MSN Radio > > powered by Pandora. > > http://radio.msn.com Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 23:37:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: TCG not in SCD I have 3 old time Tigers from the 1985 TCG set. Problem is I can't find this set in the SCD. The front of the card features b&w photos bordered by a wood grain frame. At the top of the frame it says Topps Collectors Series & on the bottom is All-Time Record Holder. The name and team is below on what looks like a gold name plate. The cards I have are #8 Ty Cobb, #9 Sam Crawford & #43 Rudy York. I'm trying to find out if there are any other Tigers in this set but can't find a checklist. Any help out there in identifying this set? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 9 Jan 2007 05:28:06 -0000 To: Originaleek@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] TCG not in SCD You have cards from the 1985 Woolworth's set of 44. The set was produced by Topps for Woolworth. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I have 3 old time Tigers from the 1985 TCG set. Problem is I can't find this set in the SCD. The front of the card features b&w photos bordered by a wood grain frame. At the top of the frame it says Topps Collectors Series & on the bottom is All-Time Record Holder. The name and team is below on what looks like a gold name plate. The cards I have are #8 Ty Cobb, #9 Sam Crawford & #43 Rudy York. I'm trying to find out if there are any other Tigers in this set but can't find a checklist. Any help out there in identifying this set? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 05:40:03 -0600 To: Originaleek@webtv.net From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] TCG not in SCD As Bama says, it is the set produced for Woolworth's in 1985. 'Woolworth's' appears no where on the cards however. My 2000 SCD lists the set as 'Topps All-Time Record Holders'. Greg (yaz) Originaleek@webtv.net wrote: > I have 3 old time Tigers from the 1985 TCG set. Problem is I can't find > this set in the SCD. The front of the card features b&w photos bordered > by a wood grain frame. At the top of the frame it says Topps Collectors > Series & on the bottom is All-Time Record Holder. The name and team is > below on what looks like a gold name plate. The cards I have are #8 Ty > Cobb, #9 Sam Crawford & #43 Rudy York. I'm trying to find out if there > are any other Tigers in this set but can't find a checklist. Any help > out there in identifying this set? > We keep what we give away! > EEK ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:01:20 -0500 To: obcjohn@knology.net, yazobc@insightbb.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] TCG not in SCD Thanks much guys. I found the Woolworth set in the SCD & it looks like I have all the Tigers. We keep what we give away! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (obc ramblings) Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 13:12:17 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Rare Baseball Recordings For your listening enjoyment check out these two links; http://www.baseballrecordings.com/index.html http://baseballhistorian.libsyn.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:31:58 -0700 (MST) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Who would you vote for? 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Harold Baines 22 seasons for five AL teams Albert Belle Nine consecutive 100-RBI seasons Dante Bichette Led NL in HRs and RBIs in 1995 Bert Blyleven Ranks fifth all-time in strikeouts Bobby Bonilla Six-time All-Star selection Scott Brosius World Series MVP in 1998 Jay Buhner One Gold Glove and one all-star appearance Ken Caminiti NL MVP in 1996; three-time All-Star Jose Canseco AL MVP in 1988; first to hit 40 HRs and steal 40 bases in season Dave Concepcion Five Gold Gloves and nine All-Star games Eric Davis Two 30-HR and eight 20-HR seasons Andre Dawson NL MVP in 1987; 13 20-HR seasons Tony Fernandez Five-time All-Star Steve Garvey Last year on ballot; '74 NL MVP Rich Gossage Led AL in saves three times Tony Gwynn Eight-time NL batting champion Orel Hershiser Record 59 consecutive scoreless innings Tommy John Three 20-win seasons Wally Joyner Six seasons of 150 hits or more Don Mattingly 1985 AL MVP; nine-time Gold Glove winner Mark McGwire Seventh on all-time HR list (583) Jack Morris Three 20-win seasons Dale Murphy Two-time NL MVP; six 30-HR seasons Paul O'Neill AL batting champion in 1994 Dave Parker NL MVP in 1978 Jim Rice Only player with 3 straight seasons of 35 HRs and 200 hits Cal Ripken Jr. MLB record for consecutive games played (2,632) Bret Saberhagen Two-time AL Cy Young winner Lee Smith Second in MLB history in saves (478) Alan Trammell World Series MVP in 1984 Devon White Seven-time Gold Glove winner Bobby Witt Pitched for 16 seasons ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 06:48:09 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? Probably Gossage, Ripken, Gwynn, and Morris with a mind to flip between Morris and Blyleven depending on the day of the week... ----- Original Message ---- From: "tknowles@sofast.net" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:31:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot Rich Gossage Led AL in saves three times Tony Gwynn Eight-time NL batting champion Jack Morris Three 20-win seasons Cal Ripken Jr. MLB record for consecutive games played (2,632) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:05:12 -0500 To: tknowles@sofast.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 07:31:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? ================= Date: 9 Jan 2007 16:07:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: HOF ballot My votes go to: ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 11:14:53 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: gremlins and green tints while watching an the buckeyes get inihilated last night, i was going through the baseball binders and found a few open spots: 1955 topps # 192 jim delsing 1958 topps # 307 brooks robinson could use some help on these two. also, was checking on those pesky green tints from the 1962 set. there are a few greenies that were missing and dont match up to what i thought was my wantlist. can someone please confirm the existence of the following 132, 138, 158, 173 tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 08:31:21 -0800 (PST) To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Availables Let me know if you need any of these and include your mailing address please. No return fire needed! Thanks, Dan Angland 1957 Topps Baseball 248 1960 Topps Baseball184 1964 Topps Baseball 233, 431, 1966 Topps Baseball 46, 128, 169, 370, 1967 Topps Baseball184, 260, 294, 299, 1969 Topps Baseball17, 33, 53, 67, 209, 272, 351, 363, 374, 387, 414, 458, 482, 607 1970 Topps Baseball 628 1971 Topps Baseball19, 78, 88, 105 1974 Topps Baseball 21, 57, 79, 82, 120, 134, 210, 276, 277, 289, 289, 289, 310, 354, 359, 362, 365, 368, 374, 377, 381, 395, 495, 502, 615, 626, 627, 1974 Topps Baseball Traded 165T, 270T, 270T, 390T, 390T, 618T, 630T, 648T 1976 Topps Baseball 22, 29, 176, 238, 294, 306, 322, 324, 356, 361, 485, 635, 647, 656, 1976 Topps Baseball Traded 120T, 211T, 380T, 497T, 579T, 1977 Topps Baseball 63, 79, 107, 297, 454, 513, 629, 658 1979 Topps Baseball 47, 50, 50, 126, 154, 154, 162, 469, 605, 684, 686, 699, 703 1980 Topps Baseball 34, 40, 44, 126, 126, 150, 173, 191, 207, 248, 258, 269, 273, 283, 294, 294, 347, 352, 359, 360, 438, 438, 440, 474, 474, 479, 538, 564, 571, 643,700, 700, 700, 700 1978 Topps Football 224, 224, 245 Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 09:49:24 -0700 (MST) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? I guess since I started this, I should make my picks: I think Blyleven and Morris have been unfairly overlooked because 300 wins has been the unofficial benchmark for induction. In today's world, 300 is nearly unattainable with 5 man rotations, specialization, etc. Speaking of specialization, Gossage and Smith were 2 of the premier closers of their era. Gwynn and Ripken are no-brainers, which brings me to Jim Rice. Okay, this is kind of a sentimental pick, but look at the numbers Jim Ed put up in the late 70s/early 80s. That kind of power/average combo is pretty darn rare in the pre-steroid era. He led the league in homers 4 times, RBIs twice, slugging percentage twice, finished in the top 5 in batting average 4 times, and even led the league in triples once! ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:03:47 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rare Baseball Recordings Hello gang! A quick note regarding BASEBALLRECORDINGS.COM I haven't mentioned it in a long while, but baseballrecordings.com is my own little niche of the collecting world. A few years ago I picked up a copy of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" on 78rpm record. After enjoying listening to it several times I decided to combine my enjoyment of records with my enjoyment of collecting baseball and began putting together a database of all baseball related recordings. After combining the 3 studies that had been done on the subject, I had a total of 124 recordings in my database and quickly discovered that research on the subject was very much incomplete. Being a complete nerd, I set out to re-discover and catalog as many baseball related recordings from the 78rpm and cylinder era as possible. Since databasing the original 124 recordings, I have since added an additional 322 records and cylinders, bringing the current database of baseball recordings up to 446. I add a new one every month or so as I find them. I originally considered publishing a book about the records. A more academic version of Corenthal's "Baseball On the Record" however I only know of 3 people on the planet who collect baseball related recordings, so I decided to put up a website where people could listen to and (hopefully) enjoy some rare recordings they couldn't find elsewhere. it's not academic, just fun to listen to. Perhaps an article for SCD would be in order. I haven't written for them in about 5 years. However, since no one else is collecting the recordings, I have been hesitant to write an article about it, thereby encouraging someone to outbid me on ebay : ) Right now I generally pick up records for a buck or two, even the rare ones. No surprise that it's some of the more common ones (Little Johnny Strikeout, with Joe Dimaggio) that tend to receive high bids on ebay, even though that is probably the most common recording in my database. (If you would like a copy, I think I have 7... take one please lol) ANYHOW... if you have any comments or commentary about baseballrecordings.com PLEASE feel free to get a hold of me. I would really appreciate it. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:04:53 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? I always have to give some thought to these, fortunately I'm going to use the real rule where I can vote as many as 10. I'll include some justification for all. Bert Blyleven Ranks fifth all-time in strikeouts: For a pitcher the game is about winning. 287 wins, especially considering 300 game winners will become much scarcer in the era of the 5-man rotation is pretty darn good. Toss in 3701 strikeouts and a decent 3.31 career ERA which is .10 lower than Robin Roberts who had 1 less win and is already in leads me to conclude that this guy should be in. Andre Dawson NL MVP in 1987; 13 20-HR seasons: 400+ Homeruns, 300 SB's, 2700 hits. .279 career hitter. His numbers do the arguing for me. Rich Gossage Led AL in saves three times: 300 Saves, pitched in 1000 games and struck out 1500+ as a reliever. Plus nobody is pitching 1800 innings as a reliever again most likely. Tony Gwynn Eight-time NL batting champion: No brainer, 3000 hits... 8 batting titles... .338 career battings average... yada, yada, he's in. Tommy John Three 20-win seasons: Here's another guy in that win category. 288 wins, pitched until he was 46 (there's something to be said for longevity, it shouldn't be a detriment, he was 13-6 for the Yankees at age 44), career 3.34 ERA and a better winning percentage than that Ryan guy. Don Mattingly 1985 AL MVP; nine-time Gold Glove winner: Career .307 batting average, won a batting title, 9 gold gloves so he was pretty good on the defensive side. This would be easier if he had played 3-4 more years but I'd still give it to him because he was very, very good, even if he was a Yankee. Mark McGwire Seventh on all-time HR list (583): This is the first real tough one. My policy is that I don't know how many players were using stuff, probably a bunch. Regardless of what people were using though, it was legal because there were no rules against it. Morality can't play into this, it takes skill to hit a baseball and McGwire did it better than most in his era and all-time. I doubt he'll make it this time because the voters will be trying to make a statement, but there statement is pointless since he'll get in eventually in my opinion, just put him in and be done with it, the numbers make it necessary unless you want to summarily make everybody who played during his era permanently ineligible on suspicion. Jack Morris Three 20-win seasons: One can argue his ERA is too high, but Jack Morris won. 3 World Championships with three clubs, a WS MVP award, led the league in wins at age 37. Had 216 wins between 1980 and 1992, people know that, but not everybody knows he had 160 complete games in that same span, you can compare that to 107 for Fernando Valenzuela who's the next closest. 26 shutouts during that span (which is fourth overall) and 254 wins for his career make up for the ERA in my mind because the guy won. Dave Parker NL MVP in 1978: .290 career average, good power numbers, 2700 hits, clearly the man could play. Jim Rice Only player with 3 straight seasons of 35 HRs and 200 hits: It's tough to argue against a guy with with almost 400 homeruns, over 1400 RBI AND a lifetime .298 average... had he had slapped a few more singles and gotten to .300 even, he'd probably be in already, so I'm putting him in myself. Cal Ripken Jr. MLB record for consecutive games played (2,632): Again, no brainer. Games streak is just the icing on the cake. 3000 hits, 400 homeruns, almost 1700 RBI, as mostly a shortstop. Automatic. Lee Smith Second in MLB history in saves (478): He's second all-time in saves. I don't think anybody who's number 2 or number one in any major positive category is not in the Hall except Pete Rose. He should be in. I was trying to stop at 10, but the problem is a few guys should have already been in the Hall and off this list, so it messed the whole thing up. So that's who I would vote for, if I was limited to the 10 I would have a tough time figuring out who to leave out, maybe Dave Parker and Mattingly, those are the ones I'm most borderline on, but even then I wouldn't hesitate to vote for them next year. Also as a side note, it took all my will power not to make a case for Tony Fernandez and Devon White as sentimental favorites, but I was able to find a way to resist. ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:21:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Who would you vote for? Gwynn is a shoo-in. I have always thought that Jack Morris does not get the respect he deserves. He won the most games of any pitcher in the 80's and was a very key member of 3 World Series winners. He wont get in, but he I might take some heat for this, but I have always thought that Cal Ripken was overrated and put his streak before winning, his teammates and the authority of his manager. He will obviously get in, but he should not be an unanimous vote. I would like to see some writers take a stand on how overrated and how over-obsessed the public was with ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:34:55 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Who would you vote for? not usre if you guys heard about this today, but there is a writer/voter in south suburban chicago who sent in a blank ballot, thus assuring that no one will get 100% of the vote (they count a blank ballot as a vote). his rationale: he will not vote for any player from the late 80s-2004 until there is more information out about who exactly was doing what. you may have heard this the other day, but ESPN surveyed as many voters as they could, and 75% did NOT vote for mcgwire. i think the vote is announced at 1 PM EST. ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:59:18 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: And the answer is... Okay, time for the answer. But, for those of you who have sick minds, like me, and like to figure things out, here's how I'll do it. I will list clues, and then, after an appropriate blank space, the answer: 1. Song was from a true one-hit wonder 2. It was done by a group 3. The refrain of the song was similar to the title of another song, from the 60's, that was a big hit in the 60's, and immensely popular in the 70's due to a movie. 4. The year was 1973 5. The player was Jackie Robinson And the answer is: Brother Louie by the Stories. Had the line. "Makes no difference if you're black or you're white, Robinson knows what I mean". ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:05:42 EST To: T206Guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rare Baseball Recordings In a message dated 1/9/07 9:09:26 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, t206guy@aol.com writes: Hello gang! A quick note regarding BASEBALLRECORDINGS.COM I haven't mentioned it in a long while, but baseballrecordings.com is my own little niche of the collecting world. A few years ago I picked up a copy of "Take Me Out to the Ball Game" on 78rpm record. After enjoying listening to it several times I decided to combine my enjoyment of records with my enjoyment of collecting baseball and began putting together a database of all baseball related recordings. After combining the 3 studies that had been done on the subject, I had a total of 124 recordings in my database and quickly discovered that research on the subject was very much incomplete. Being a complete nerd, I set out to re-discover and catalog as many baseball related recordings from the 78rpm and cylinder era as possible. Since databasing the original 124 recordings, I have since added an additional 322 records and cylinders, bringing the current database of baseball recordings up to 446. I add a new one every month or so as I find them. I originally considered publishing a book about the records. A more academic version of Corenthal's "Baseball On the Record" however I only know of 3 people on the planet who collect baseball related recordings, so I decided to put up a website where people could listen to and (hopefully) enjoy some rare recordings they couldn't find elsewhere. it's not academic, just fun to listen to. Perhaps an article for SCD would be in order. I haven't written for them in about 5 years. However, since no one else is collecting the recordings, I have been hesitant to write an article about it, thereby encouraging someone to outbid me on ebay : ) Right now I generally pick up records for a buck or two, even the rare ones. No surprise that it's some of the more common ones (Little Johnny Strikeout, with Joe Dimaggio) that tend to receive high bids on ebay, even though that is probably the most common recording in my database. (If you would like a copy, I think I have 7... take one please lol) ANYHOW... if you have any comments or commentary about baseballrecordings.com PLEASE feel free to get a hold of me. I would really appreciate it. I guess I must start collecting baseball recordings now... :) ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:56:33 EST To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... In a message dated 1/9/2007 11:55:16 AM Central Standard Time, rdn56@nc.rr.com writes: And the answer is: Brother Louie by the Stories. Had the line. "Makes no difference if you're black or you're white, Robinson knows what I mean". i always though the line was "brothers, you know what i mean" ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:22:09 -0500 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 11:59:18 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 17:42:10 +0000 From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Who would you vote for? I would have to go with the following: Tony Gwynn Cal Ripken Jr. Andre dawson Jim Rice Goose Gossage Bert Blyleven Jack Morris Lee Smith -------------- Original message -------------- From: smartalecx@aol.com not usre if you guys heard about this today, but there is a writer/voter in south suburban chicago who sent in a blank ballot, thus assuring that no one will get 100% of the vote (they count a blank ballot as a vote). his rationale: he will not vote for any player from the late 80s-2004 until there is more information out about who exactly was doing what. you may have heard this the other day, but ESPN surveyed as many voters as they could, and 75% did NOT vote for mcgwire. i think the vote is announced at 1 PM EST. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 10:31:55 -0800 (PST) To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... I too thought the lyric was actually "brothers you know what I mean" And the lyric at the following site confirms that: http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/stories/brother_louie.html Take care, --- rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote: > Okay, time for the answer. But, for those of you who > have sick minds, > like me, and like to figure things out, here's how > I'll do it. I will > list clues, and then, after an appropriate blank > space, the answer: > 1. Song was from a true one-hit wonder > 2. It was done by a group > 3. The refrain of the song was similar to the title > of another song, > from the 60's, that was a big hit in the 60's, and > immensely popular in > the 70's due to a movie. > 4. The year was 1973 > 5. The player was Jackie Robinson > And the answer is: > Brother Louie by the Stories. Had the line. "Makes > no difference if > you're black or you're white, Robinson knows what I > mean". I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:18:59 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... Cool, I always thought it was "makes no difference if you're black or white AS LONG AS you know what I mean"! -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com > Okay, time for the answer. But, for those of you who have sick minds, > like me, and like to figure things out, here's how I'll do it. I will > list clues, and then, after an appropriate blank space, the answer: > 1. Song was from a true one-hit wonder > 2. It was done by a group > 3. The refrain of the song was similar to the title of another song, > from the 60's, that was a big hit in the 60's, and immensely popular in > the 70's due to a movie. > 4. The year was 1973 > 5. The player was Jackie Robinson > And the answer is: > Brother Louie by the Stories. Had the line. "Makes no difference if > you're black or you're white, Robinson knows what I mean". > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 13:45:00 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, rdn56@nc.rr.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... Louie nearly caused a scene Wishin' it was a dream Ain't no diff'rence if you're black or white Brothers, you know what I mean a fraud has been perpetrated on us all. call the obc police! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 18:44:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Re: Who would you vote for? OK, I'll justify and rank them as well, but my top 10 - although they probably won't all get in even in the future - is below: --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tknowles@... wrote: > 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot > Albert Belle Nine consecutive 100-RBI seasons > Andre Dawson NL MVP in 1987; 13 20-HR seasons > Rich Gossage Led AL in saves three times > Tony Gwynn Eight-time NL batting champion > Don Mattingly 1985 AL MVP; nine-time Gold Glove winner > Mark McGwire Seventh on all-time HR list (583) > Dale Murphy Two-time NL MVP; six 30-HR seasons > Jim Rice Only player with 3 straight seasons of 35 HRs and 200 hits > Cal Ripken Jr. MLB record for consecutive games played (2,632) > Lee Smith Second in MLB history in saves (478) As far as this year goes, Cal & Gwynn are in. I think Dawson and Goose will be close but no cigar, despite Goose's complete domination of an era when closers were just becoming fashionable (5 100K seasons as a closer, 2.79 ERA from '72-'85 & all those saves) & Dawson's prolific numbers (how many 400 HR/300SB guys are there in history, about 4?) amassed primarily during the "pre-roids era." Lee Smith is another one who will come close but just miss - despite only leading the league twice in saves, he managed to put up nearly 30 saves and 90Ks with ERAs ranging from respectable to dominant on an annual basis for 13 years. All that hold Smith and Gossage back are a) the closer stigma of the HOF that Sutter and Fingers have finally chipped away at, and b) the fact that they're relievers whose ERAs are not sub-3 for their careers (although 3.00 & 3.02 are darn close enough for me.) All 5 of these players will take the podium someday. Rice and Murphy are puzzling ones for me also - upwards of 380 HR pre-roids, lots of 100 RBI seasons...I guess in Murph's case, all the Ks & a .265 avg outweigh the Gold Gloves, 2 MVP awards and good citizenship (OK, maybe I've been living in GA too long and need to give up the Murphy campaign, but it isn't easy...) As far as Rice goes, perhaps what's holding him back are the "almosts" when it comes to magic numbers: .298 avg, 382 HR, 1451 RBI, 2452 H. I say he put up some darn good numbers regardless, and an 8 time all-star who led the league in HR 3x and played in 2 WS with these career #s deserves serious consideration. If Mattingly and Belle had each managed 3-4 more healthy seasons, they'd be shoe-ins; that said, they didn't, so they probably will remain on the outside like Munson. As for McGwire? It's tough to keep the 7th all-time HR hitter out, even w/ that BA and the roids, but the Hall will...for now. Once the writers remember how Mac put the game on his back after the strike and carried it back to the forefront of America's minds and hearts - in addition to cranking all those moon shots - they will check the "Yes" box and admit McGwire. Finally, a forecast: 2007: Gwynn & Ripken 2008: Dawson & Lee Smith (or maybe Goose) 2009: Rickey & McGwire, and whichever closer doesnt get in in 08 Phew! I guess this is a tougher job than I gave the writers credit for... ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:50:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Re: Who would you vote for? I am Tim, Linda's husband, and since i go over a lot of the want lists and go to the post office to send the cards out (went there this morning and mailed out all the claimed availables from Linda's last offering)i would like to vote too: The one who deserves to be in the Hall the most is: J.R.Richard- because he is the greatest pitcher in the history of My next vote would go for Roger Maris. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:59:16 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: voting results 2006 Hall of Fame voting results The complete vote (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% Rich "Goose" Gossage 388 71.2% Jim Rice 346 63.5% Andre Dawson 309 56.7% Bert Blyleven 260 47.7% Lee Smith 217 39.8% Jack Morris 202 37.1% Mark McGwire 128 23.5% Tommy John 125 22.9% Steve Garvey 115 21.1% Dave Concepcion 74 13.6% Alan Trammell 73 13.4% Dave Parker 62 11.4% Don Mattingly 54 9.9% Dale Murphy 50 9.2% Harold Baines 29 5.3% Orel Hershiser 24 4.4% Albert Belle 19 3.5% Paul O'Neill 12 2.2% Bret Saberhagen 7 1.3% Jose Canseco 6 1.1% Tony Fernandez 4 0.7% Dante Bichette 3 0.6% Eric Davis 3 0.6% Bobby Bonilla 2 0.4% Ken Caminiti 2 0.4% Jay Buhner 1 0.2% Scott Brosius 0 Wally Joyner 0 Devon White 0 Bobby Witt 0 ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:08:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: voting results Does anyone have a list of the highest vote %'s in the Hall of Fame history. I would like to compare others to Cal Ripken's 98.5%. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:19:31 EST To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results In a message dated 1/9/2007 2:15:09 PM Central Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Does anyone have a list of the highest vote %'s in the Hall of Fame history. I would like to compare others to Cal Ripken's 98.5%. i know that seaver had more, but cal was the highest position player vote getter in history. by the way, 2 folks submitted blank ballots. rice and dawson lost ground, but gossage gained, and given the thin ballot next year, should make it in. ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 20:24:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: voting results thanks for the info Gary. It just doesnt seem right that Ripken would get in with highest % for a position player. I understand that it has a lot to do with who is on the ballot, but Ripken was not a truly elite player. In addition, I feel like his pursuit of the ironman record was a selfish one that undermined his manager and divided his clubhouse. ================= To: Tom Massimo , Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:54:43 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results It seems to me ridiculous to criticize Ripken for his streak. In a day where everybody complains about million dollar athletes taking the day off forany pain, here was a guy who never took a day off. Since when does going to work every day make someone selfish? On top of that, he is the second or third best hitting shortstop ever, a good to great fielder. He played a physically demanding position longer than anyone else has ever played any position (consecutively). I simply cannot understand the position of Cal not being an elite player. Also, in case everyone wasn't aware of it, Kent Hrbek was a better player than Mattingly...don't fall for the NY hype ;-) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: tdmassimo@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:24:05 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results > thanks for the info Gary. It just doesnt seem right that Ripken would > get in with highest % for a position player. I understand that it has > a lot to do with who is on the ballot, but Ripken was not a truly elite > player. In addition, I feel like his pursuit of the ironman record was > a selfish one that undermined his manager and divided his clubhouse. Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:01:28 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] voting results To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:59:16 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] voting results 2006 Hall of Fame voting results The complete vote (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% Rich "Goose" Gossage 388 71.2% Jim Rice 346 63.5% Andre Dawson 309 56.7% Bert Blyleven 260 47.7% Lee Smith 217 39.8% Jack Morris 202 37.1% Mark McGwire 128 23.5% Tommy John 125 22.9% Steve Garvey 115 21.1% Dave Concepcion 74 13.6% Alan Trammell 73 13.4% Dave Parker 62 11.4% Don Mattingly 54 9.9% Dale Murphy 50 9.2% Harold Baines 29 5.3% Orel Hershiser 24 4.4% Albert Belle 19 3.5% Paul O'Neill 12 2.2% Bret Saberhagen 7 1.3% Jose Canseco 6 1.1% Tony Fernandez 4 0.7% Dante Bichette 3 0.6% Eric Davis 3 0.6% Bobby Bonilla 2 0.4% Ken Caminiti 2 0.4% Jay Buhner 1 0.2% Scott Brosius 0 Wally Joyner 0 Devon White 0 Bobby Witt 0 ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:07:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: voting results Sorry Mac, have to disagree with you. Yes it is good not to take days off and play hurt for the good of the team, but when it gets to the point where a manager's decisions are dictated by Ripken's selfish pursuit of an individual streak then there is a problem. The clubhouse was divided because many players, justly, felt that Ripken got preferential treatment on the field, which is a lot different from getting it off the field. I think it also undermined the authority of the manager and it most likely could have helped his offense and more important the team if he took a few days off here and there. His numbers are not those of an elite player but of a good one. I am not arguing that he shouldnt be in the hall, but there are many, many better players who went in with a lower %. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:33:55 EST To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results In a message dated 1/9/07 1:18:30 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Sorry Mac, have to disagree with you. Yes it is good not to take days off and play hurt for the good of the team, but when it gets to the point where a manager's decisions are dictated by Ripken's selfish pursuit of an individual streak then there is a problem. The clubhouse was divided because many players, justly, felt that Ripken got preferential treatment on the field, which is a lot different from getting it off the field. I think it also undermined the authority of the manager and it most likely could have helped his offense and more important the team if he took a few days off here and there. His numbers are not those of an elite player but of a good one. I am not arguing that he shouldnt be in the hall, but there are many, many better players who went in with a lower %. I disagree with a few comments...Ripken was the hardest critic of himself and if he felt he was not giving his all, he would have sat. Having had the opportunity a few years back to sit down with Eddie Murray and talk about Ripken, the clubhouse problems were a media thing and other than a few minor league ss/3b in the Oriole system, nearly everyone including his managers supported his streak. The ultimate respect for Ripken in the game was given during his last AS game when players, managers, and coaches completely saluted him. I always felt bad for Gwynn because he seemed overshadowed that last year by Cal. He may not have been the best position player in history but he played clean, with heart, and with class in an era of,for a lack of a better term, crap. Him getting this vote total is also a testament to the writers (finally) getting something right. It also annoyed me that Carlton did not get higher for no other reason than off the field he was a pain to the writers. BTW, it took Joe Dimaggio three ballots to get elected! ================= To: tknowles@sofast.net, "OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:48:34 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? Second time in a matter of minutes I have admitted to being a Yankee fan--why this time. Because I also think Jim Rice belongs in the Hall--and there is no chance it is a sentimental pick on my end. He was simply the most feared hitter in the American league from the late 1970s through the mid-80s. The guy was born to hit. I saw his last few years in Boston and his last game in the majors and he still had it. As to that last game, as per his request the Bosox did not honor him in anyway--which I thought sucked. He was too good and had played for them for too long. How many players actually fill the shoes of a local legend--and Jim Rice roamed where Teddy Ballgame and Yaz played. He did okay too. Peter Mead -------------- Original message -------------- From: tknowles@sofast.net I guess since I started this, I should make my picks: I think Blyleven and Morris have been unfairly overlooked because 300 wins has been the unofficial benchmark for induction. In today's world, 300 is nearly unattainable with 5 man rotations, specialization, etc. Speaking of specialization, Gossage and Smith were 2 of the premier closers of their era. Gwynn and Ripken are no-brainers, which brings me to Jim Rice. Okay, this is kind of a sentimental pick, but look at the numbers Jim Ed put up in the late 70s/early 80s. That kind of power/average combo is pretty darn rare in the pre-steroid era. He led the league in homers 4 times, RBIs twice, slugging percentage twice, finished in the top 5 in batting average 4 times, and even led the league in triples once! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:59:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: 2006 Hall of Fame voting results The complete vote (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% > Looks like Ripkin and Gwynn made it but i sure wouldn't have voted for them because i don't think they are that great of players. There are certainly far better players than those 2 who are NOT in the Hall. Any of the following should be in the Hall ahead of Ripkin: Roger Maris Tony Kubek Bobby Richardson Clete Boyer Elston Howard Bobby Murcer Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd Ripkin and Gwynn are not in the class of these players- Bobby Richardson- best 2nd baseman to play the game Tony Kubek- best shortstop Clete Boyer-best 3rd baseman ================= To: "Tom Massimo" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 21:42:25 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Who would you vote for? First-- I will admit to being a life long Yankee fan. Why would I admit that? Because I live just south of Baltimore and I wouldn't want anyone accusing me of being bias. Second--I am a Cal Ripken fan. And I can only presume that you didn't have much chance to watch him play. He redefined the shortstop position.. Pull out a set from the mid 1970s and look at the shortstops. Then look at any recent set and you see the new breed of SS that followed in his footsteps--AROD, Tejada, Jeter, Garciaparra, etc. What Robin Yount started he finished. He won both world series and MVP awards long before the streak ever became any sort of issue. A home town boy who grew up with the Oriole way--and by his perseverance was able to continue the Oriole way until his departure. I also don't think you can ever say he put his streak before winning. The Orioles have stunk up the stadium for a long time and will continue to stink as long as Peter Angelos is the owner. Cal was still the best they had to put on the field. I would agree with you that he might have caused some troubled thoughts for his managers--but the newspapers always reported that he was pretty upfront with Davey Johnson, Phil Regan, Johnnie Oats and his other skippers about sitting him if need be. Over-rated--I don't think so, and who cares about "percentage of the vote anyway." An obsessed public--I think that is the present story with any professional sport and hero worship these days. Peter Mead -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Massimo" Gwynn is a shoo-in. I have always thought that Jack Morris does not get the respect he deserves. He won the most games of any pitcher in the 80's and was a very key member of 3 World Series winners. He wont get in, but he I might take some heat for this, but I have always thought that Cal Ripken was overrated and put his streak before winning, his teammates and the authority of his manager. He will obviously get in, but he should not be an unanimous vote. I would like to see some writers take a stand on how overrated and how over-obsessed the public was with ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:11:02 EST To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:08:49 PM Central Standard Time, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes: Roger Maris Tony Kubek Bobby Richardson Clete Boyer Elston Howard Bobby Murcer Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd i wouldn't trade gwynn for anyone on this list ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 17:38:36 -0500 To: Linda From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? I'm mostly hoping you're kidding, but since you actually put together a whole list I'm almost inclined to think you're serious. In that unlikely event, I must say that even as a Yankee fan these are baffling choices. I'm fairly sure I'd take Ripken and Gwynn over your entire lineup there combined. Those two might actually have more hits than your whole list, or if not it's pretty close. If you're just having some fun with sarcasm, I apologize. If not, I don't know what else to say. On Jan 9, 2007, at 4:59 PM, Linda wrote: > -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > 2006 Hall of Fame voting results > The complete vote > (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): > Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% > > Looks like Ripkin and Gwynn made it but i sure wouldn't have voted > for them because i don't think they are that great of players. > There are certainly far better players than those 2 who are NOT in > the Hall. > Any of the following should be in the Hall ahead of Ripkin: > Roger Maris > Tony Kubek > Bobby Richardson > Clete Boyer > Elston Howard > Bobby Murcer > Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd > baseman > Ripkin and Gwynn are not in the class of these players- > Bobby Richardson- best 2nd baseman to play the game > Tony Kubek- best shortstop > Clete Boyer-best 3rd baseman > Linda ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 14:48:49 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Okay, I apologize. I've been wrong for 33 years. I remember when that song first came out, and I remembered a DJ (who was obviously wrong also), stating how it mentioned Jackie Robinson. Of course, that was WAY before internet and the ability to look up song lyrics. Heck, I spent 30 years trying to guess what the last 3 words to White Rabbit were. It never occured to me to check on Brother Louis--after all, it had been stored away in my useless fact file for over 30 years. I did check some lyric sites just now, and yep, no Jackie Robinson (although I really think the lyric would have fit). Sorry to have put all you musicologists through those gyrations (although many of the answers were quite entertaining and creative). I promise to doublecheck my information the next time. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:28:51 EST To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! feed your head ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 14:41:21 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: appreciations Thanks are in order a great DCP envelope courtesy of John Leroux. '65 highnumber and Harry Bright and a birthyear '66 Pete Rose are safely with their brethren. Great cards - thanks John! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:34:12 -0500 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Bob - Don't feel bad - for years, my wife thought the song went..... Gee Hell oh how I hate...Gloria..... ----- Original Message ----- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Okay, I apologize. I've been wrong for 33 years. I remember when that song first came out, and I remembered a DJ (who was obviously wrong also), stating how it mentioned Jackie Robinson. Of course, that was WAY before internet and the ability to look up song lyrics. Heck, I spent 30 years trying to guess what the last 3 words to White Rabbit were. It never occured to me to check on Brother Louis--after all, it had been stored away in my useless fact file for over 30 years. I did check some lyric sites just now, and yep, no Jackie Robinson (although I really think the lyric would have fit). Sorry to have put all you musicologists through those gyrations (although many of the answers were quite entertaining and creative). I promise to doublecheck my information the next time. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:33:36 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: tint help i trying to solve the mystery of the missing green tints, i took a look at my binder vs dupe box. maybe a have them but dont know they are the tints. a few (130 and 194 in particular) show some fairly obvious color differences in the grey flannel of the jerseys, but not the green tint or cloudy white teeth of some of the other variations. would it be possible for someone to send a scan of thse two #s, showing both the normal and variation? i am sure it would take a lot of time, but i think it would be great if we could post scans of the entire series of regular vs green tints on our website. would answer an awful lot of questions. i am betting that many folks think they have the full set of variations, but dont. i seem to remember the KOO (king of oddballs) running into this problem not too long ago. tnx, gm ================= To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:24:45 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Calvin Edwin Ripken, Jr. I had the pleasure to see Cal play in person (at Memorial Stadium and Camden Yards) and maybe 1000s of games on TV. He was a great player, not just a good player. He was not the best but madethe most of his abilities with hard work and dedication. Always a gentleman who exhibited class on and off the field. " Watch Cal " a lot of Dads told their sons, he does it right. I think some of the negativity he receives from some who question the Streak etc might be a little jealous.(some that may live in the great state of NY perhaps) When he had the chance to go elsewhere, he stayed, even when theOrioles treated his father with little respect after all he had done for the organization. Money was actually NOT the most important thing. In Baltimore he is right there with Brooksie and Johnny U as the best. I am proud to see one more of my home town heroes enter the Hall. UV alert anyone have any Ripkens to trade, I gotta bunch : ) ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 18:53:01 -0500 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! I enjoyed it. So what that the answer existed only in your mind. It was fun. It was like snipe hunting for over aged kids. You could create a new game: Trivial Pursuit - Fact or Fiction. It would be a big hit in retirement homes. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:01:53 -0800 (PST) To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Don't take it so hard; there are a lot of songs that have lyrics that can be heard different ways (read the book "Scuse Me While I Kiss This Guy" for some of the best misheard lyrics). And trust me on this...just because a radio DJ says it, that doesn't mean it's Take care, Chris -- FORMER FM DJ --- rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote: > Okay, I apologize. I've been wrong for 33 years. I > remember when that > song first came out, and I remembered a DJ (who was > obviously wrong > also), stating how it mentioned Jackie Robinson. Of > course, that was > WAY before internet and the ability to look up song > lyrics. Heck, I > spent 30 years trying to guess what the last 3 words > to White Rabbit > were. It never occured to me to check on Brother > Louis--after all, it > had been stored away in my useless fact file for > over 30 years. I did > check some lyric sites just now, and yep, no Jackie > Robinson (although I > really think the lyric would have fit). > Sorry to have put all you musicologists through > those gyrations > (although many of the answers were quite > entertaining and creative). I > promise to doublecheck my information the next time. > Bob I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:40:51 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Rare Baseball Recordings I would try Old Cardboard first. New owners have made SCD into an auction summary from what I can tell. I can't believe how bad the last four or five issues have been...........it looked like it had turned the corner but I guess they were just dumping old content. Hope it picks up soon! ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:45:14 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Who would you vote for? I am suprised Gossage missed, he sould go next year. Of the non-winners, I would have voted for McGwire (Sorry but he broke no rules and there are already drug users in the hall-ever hear of greenies!); Blyleven (who should have been in years ago) and possibly Morris & Dawson. On the ineligible list: Santo, Gil Hodges and Keith Hernandez (The Bill Mazeroski of first basemen) but he could rake it a little too. My 2 cents..... ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 19:54:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: What goes around comes around Every now and then I get lucky. Every now and then I get to right a wrong. This week, I had the dream transaction for my card world. 2007 is starting off with a bang. As many in OBC know, I have been banned from Steve Verkman's auctions stemming from the way he treated a fellow collector at a National about 7 years ago. He banned me two years ago publicly for bringing it up and telling him that I really did not want to get into again. Anyway...he has a history of treating people (esp. low grade {read as low spending potential}) poorly, so much so, he has a nickname of Jerkman. Anyway...every now and then I run a google search for t205s and this time got a hit on my search for his site. This happens often but I check in for prices and scans and have not bought from him in years. So happens he just got a new group of T205s in including the Wilhelm no "r" version. I have been bidding on ebay for this card in poor and he had it in vg-ex (gorgeous t205). Usually his price tag is about 10-25% higher than what I would pay...this time his price was good, EXTREMELY GOOD! So, I called and placed an order with a flunkie saying I was a new customer hoping he would not notice. She not only took the order, ran my card, packaged the card, and sent it that day, all without Steve knowing apparently. Got the card today...and am floored at my luck. Who knew one of the very toughest and last cards on my list would come from somebody who I am still (cannot log on to his site using my name or reg. email) Below is the card I got today!! Price I paid still on the sleeve. For those of you keeping score, I listed below the last one I bid on that was in poor condition...note the price...seriously this card should have gone for about 10 times what I paid (ask Shawn Adkins if you don't believe me). Recent ebay auction... _http://cgi.ebay.com/T205-Irvin-Wilhelm-Brooklyn-No-R-SGC-10_W0QQitemZ30006180 (http://cgi.ebay.com/T205-Irvin-Wilhelm-Brooklyn-No-R-SGC-10_W0QQitemZ300061802827QQcmdZViewItem) ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:01:54 -0600 To: tknowles@sofast.net From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who would you vote for? Dawson ---Close enough for me Gossage ---Dominating closer before it was easier to get the big save Gwynn ---One of the best hitters ever McGwire ---Even with the steroids I think I would vote for him but it does tick me off. Murphy ---Very borderline but was dominating for a fairly good stretch Rice ---The Wall, DH early in career, bad personality, short career, I don't care what your argument is, he was the dominant hitter in the American League for 12 years. The end. Ripken ---More than the streak. He belongs easily. Greg (yaz) tknowles@sofast.net wrote: > 2007 Hall of Fame Ballot > Harold Baines 22 seasons for five AL teams > Albert Belle Nine consecutive 100-RBI seasons > Dante Bichette Led NL in HRs and RBIs in 1995 > Bert Blyleven Ranks fifth all-time in strikeouts > Bobby Bonilla Six-time All-Star selection > Scott Brosius World Series MVP in 1998 > Jay Buhner One Gold Glove and one all-star appearance > Ken Caminiti NL MVP in 1996; three-time All-Star > Jose Canseco AL MVP in 1988; first to hit 40 HRs and steal 40 bases in > season > Dave Concepcion Five Gold Gloves and nine All-Star games > Eric Davis Two 30-HR and eight 20-HR seasons > Andre Dawson NL MVP in 1987; 13 20-HR seasons > Tony Fernandez Five-time All-Star > Steve Garvey Last year on ballot; '74 NL MVP > Rich Gossage Led AL in saves three times > Tony Gwynn Eight-time NL batting champion > Orel Hershiser Record 59 consecutive scoreless innings > Tommy John Three 20-win seasons > Wally Joyner Six seasons of 150 hits or more > Don Mattingly 1985 AL MVP; nine-time Gold Glove winner > Mark McGwire Seventh on all-time HR list (583) > Jack Morris Three 20-win seasons > Dale Murphy Two-time NL MVP; six 30-HR seasons > Paul O'Neill AL batting champion in 1994 > Dave Parker NL MVP in 1978 > Jim Rice Only player with 3 straight seasons of 35 HRs and 200 hits > Cal Ripken Jr. MLB record for consecutive games played (2,632) > Bret Saberhagen Two-time AL Cy Young winner > Lee Smith Second in MLB history in saves (478) > Alan Trammell World Series MVP in 1984 > Devon White Seven-time Gold Glove winner > Bobby Witt Pitched for 16 seasons ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:19:24 -0600 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Oh, Good Grief! I know I spent 3 1/2 to 4 hours looking at all the #1 hits from Billboard, Cashbox and KHJ, (LA station I used to listen to in the 60s & 70s), and then looking up lyrics to the songs I couldn't remember. Feed your head! Greg (yaz) rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote: > Okay, I apologize. I've been wrong for 33 years. I remember when that > song first came out, and I remembered a DJ (who was obviously wrong > also), stating how it mentioned Jackie Robinson. Of course, that was > WAY before internet and the ability to look up song lyrics. Heck, I > spent 30 years trying to guess what the last 3 words to White Rabbit > were. It never occured to me to check on Brother Louis--after all, it > had been stored away in my useless fact file for over 30 years. I did > check some lyric sites just now, and yep, no Jackie Robinson (although I > really think the lyric would have fit). > Sorry to have put all you musicologists through those gyrations > (although many of the answers were quite entertaining and creative). I > promise to doublecheck my information the next time. > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:27:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: I want to congratulate you and happy for you too -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@... wrote: bidding on ebay for this card in poor and he had it in vg-ex (gorgeous t205). Usually his price tag is about 10-25% higher than what I would pay...this time his price was good, EXTREMELY GOOD! So, I called and placed an order with a flunkie saying I was a new customer hoping he would not notice. She not only took the order, ran my card, packaged the card, and sent it that day, all without Steve knowing apparently. Got the card today...and am floored at my luck. Who knew one of the very toughest and last cards on my list would come from somebody who I am still (cannot log on to his site using my name or reg. email) "Yeah" is right and definitely the word- or as Jackie Gleason said, "How sweet it is!" Or where there is a will there is a way.And any of us who have met Josh know he is one of the most savvy card buyers there is.Only luck has nothing to do with this as Josh stated above.His posing as a new card buyer to the unsuspecting worker and pulling this off would be just what i would expect Josh to accomplish. Nice to read about some justice and that the Jerkmans of the world don't win all the time.-Linda ================= Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2007 19:40:11 -0600 To: Tom Massimo From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results Most of the dissent was fueled by the media. They'd ask a player if it was causing problems, sometimes they'd get pieces of good quotes that in turn get the clubhouse talking and then more writers chime in their opinions even without quotes. A manager that thinks he has a better chance of winning with some Leo Gomez or Pepe Frias guy in there instead of Cal Ripken probably isn't smart enough to manage too long. Greg (yaz) Tom Massimo wrote: > Sorry Mac, have to disagree with you. Yes it is good not to take days > off and play hurt for the good of the team, but when it gets to the > point where a manager's decisions are dictated by Ripken's selfish > pursuit of an individual streak then there is a problem. The clubhouse > was divided because many players, justly, felt that Ripken got > preferential treatment on the field, which is a lot different from > getting it off the field. I think it also undermined the authority of > the manager and it most likely could have helped his offense and more > important the team if he took a few days off here and there. His > numbers are not those of an elite player but of a good one. I am not > arguing that he shouldnt be in the hall, but there are many, many > better players who went in with a lower %. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 01:53:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Ripken Sorry guys, I still have to disagree, not one of your arguments have persuaded me that Ripken was overrated and was selfish to keep the streak going. I dont think the media invented the fractured clubhouse. They saw these guys everyday and had to write about bad games, plays, and yet still needed quotes. I dont think they would have invented a divided clubhouse especially with the reverence that the media has treated Ripken with. As far as revolutionizing the Shortstop position, he does not even come close to standing up to today's Shortstops such as Tejada or Arod (could easily still be a shortstop) offensively or defensively. In fact he should have moved over to third base a few years earlier. Like I said, I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has been treated like he is one of the all-time greats of the game, which he is clearly not. He was not the best defensive shortstop of his era (not even close) and a guy like Dave Winfield's offensive numbers blow his away. Of course all of the above is subject to opinion, but one thing cannot be argued, every Oriole manager after Earl Weaver had no choice but to pencil him into the lineup every nite regardless of whether he was in a bad slump or if he had trouble against the starting pitcher. No other player is treated like that. It is easy to see why that would divide a club and also hurt the team's chances to win. I just wish a few of the voters would have left him off just to show that his streak was selfish and he was not bigger than the game. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:11:13 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? I wouldn't trade Gwynn for all of them. Gee, they are all Yankees, imaginethat. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:08:49 PM Central Standard Time, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Roger Maris Tony Kubek Bobby Richardson Clete Boyer Elston Howard Bobby Murcer Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd i wouldn't trade gwynn for anyone on this list ================= To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:14:54 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results I can't quite get my head around anybody who is professionally knowledgeable about baseball refusing to vote for Ripken or Gwynn (or Seaver or Carltonor any of those guys with high vote totals). People who submit blank ballots in a year like this ought to be told politely that their services as voters will no longer be required. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 20:14:51 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken His numbers and his play at short said it all. Cal deserves to be in the Hall. It bothers me that some of these writers will wait one or two or evena decade before they finally vote yes for a player. How has that player improved his chances from one year to the next. I think it is ridiculous. If voters leave anyone off the ballot to prove any personal agenda, point, opinion, they don't deserve to have the vote. It bugs me every year. All the talk will now center on who might make it next year, from those that were close this year. Sure, Goose will probably get in. What kind of numbers will he post this year to change the minds of some of these voters. It bugs me. IF you deserve to go in, you deserve to go in. It should be that ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Massimo To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Sorry guys, I still have to disagree, not one of your arguments have persuaded me that Ripken was overrated and was selfish to keep the streak going. I dont think the media invented the fractured clubhouse. They saw these guys everyday and had to write about bad games, plays, and yet still needed quotes. I dont think they would have invented a divided clubhouse especially with the reverence that the media has treated Ripken with. As far as revolutionizing the Shortstop position, he does not even come close to standing up to today's Shortstops such as Tejada or Arod (could easily still be a shortstop) offensively or defensively. In fact he should have moved over to third base a few years earlier. Like I said, I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has been treated like he is one of the all-time greats of the game, which he is clearly not. He was not the best defensive shortstop of his era (not even close) and a guy like Dave Winfield's offensive numbers blow his away. Of course all of the above is subject to opinion, but one thing cannot be argued, every Oriole manager after Earl Weaver had no choice but to pencil him into the lineup every nite regardless of whether he was in a bad slump or if he had trouble against the starting pitcher. No other player is treated like that. It is easy to see why that would divide a club and also hurt the team's chances to win. I just wish a few of the voters would have left him off just to show that his streak was selfish and he was not bigger than the game. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 21:33:14 -0500 To: Tom Massimo From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken While I don't have any special reverence for Ripken, I think you're actually the one going out of his way to prove your point. I'm not going to touch the divided clubhouse stuff because I think that's overrated and since I'm not in the clubhouse I don't feel able or willing to debate it. However, as for revolutionizing the position your argument that he doesn't stand up to todays shortstops makes no sense. For him to revolutionize by definition would mean he helped to change the thinking on shortstops, which he did. This is because Ripken was a guy who could hit for power in a position not normally known for it, thus opening the door for the Tejada's and A-Rods who would likely have otherwise been moved to the outfield or a more "traditional" power position. I'm not going to give Ripken all the credit for it, but he helped, thus there is some base for the revolutionizing argument. Ripken was before them thus you can't take away the revolutionizing thing just because somebody comes along and does it better later. In your second argument you suggest that he wasn't the best defensive shortstop, no problem with that. However you then compare his numbers to Winfield and say that his numbers blow Ripken away. This is not true. Here's Dave's career numbers: 3110 hits, 465 HR's, 1833 RBI's and a .283 Batting Average Here's Cal Ripken: 3184 hits, 431 HR's, 1695 RBI's and a .276 Batting Average So Winfield "blows" him away with less hits, 34 more HR's, 138 more RBI's and 7 points of batting average in one more career season of play? On top of that, Winfield was an Outfielder, meaning he was in a position were to be elite he would have to have hit more power numbers, which he did, but not by an overwhelming margin, so you're comparing apples to oranges and even still they aren't that far apart. As for your final point that cannot be argued? Sure it can. Every Oriole manager after Earl Weaver had nobody better to play shortstop. If you want to make this argument, find me the can't miss prospect that was better than Ripken that would have presumably taken over for him when he "needed" to be pulled from the lineup. Ripken was in every night because he was their #1 option at SS, if he was hurt the #2 was a big dropoff. And plenty of other players were treated liked that. If you don't think so you assume every great player never had a slump and never had trouble against a starting pitcher, which is a tough sell. This is actually the reason this part doesn't bug me. I think you just don't like Ripken Tom, which is fine, but it works better if you just say that from the start. I don't feel about Ripken one way or another, so I wouldn't have lost sleep no matter how the voting turned out, but you'll have to make better arguments if you want to suggest the voters had any reason to not vote for him. On Jan 9, 2007, at 8:53 PM, Tom Massimo wrote: > As far as revolutionizing the > Shortstop position, he does not even come close to standing up to > today's Shortstops such as Tejada or Arod (could easily still be a > shortstop) offensively or defensively. In fact he should have moved > over to third base a few years earlier. > Like I said, I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has > been treated like he is one of the all-time greats of the game, which > he is clearly not. He was not the best defensive shortstop of his > era (not even close) and a guy like Dave Winfield's offensive numbers > blow his away. > Of course all of the above is subject to opinion, but one thing > cannot be argued, every Oriole manager after Earl Weaver had no > choice but to pencil him into the lineup every nite regardless of > whether he was in a bad slump or if he had trouble against the > starting pitcher. No other player is treated like that. It is easy > to see why that would divide a club and also hurt the team's chances > to win. > I just wish a few of the voters would have left him off just to show > that his streak was selfish and he was not bigger than the game. ================= To: Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 22:36:18 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! There's even a website created for misheard lyrics. http://www.kissthisguy.com/ Bob, you can be the first to add Brother Louie to the list. -Bob R To: rdn56@nc.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.comDate: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 16:01:53 -0800Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mea culpa--for the last 33 years! Bob,Don't take it so hard; there are a lot of songs thathave lyrics that can be heard different ways (read thebook "Scuse Me While I Kiss This Guy" for some of thebest misheard lyrics). And trust me on this...justbecause a radio DJ says it, that doesn't mean it'sright. Take care,Chris -- FORMER FM DJ--- rdn56@nc.rr.com wrote:> Okay, I apologize. I've been wrong for 33 years. I> remember when that> song first came out, and I remembered a DJ (who was> obviously wrong> also), stating how it mentioned Jackie Robinson. Of> course, that was> WAY before internet and the ability to look up song> lyrics. Heck, I> spent 30 years trying to guess what the last 3 words> to White Rabbit> were. It never occured to me to check on Brother> Louis--after all,it> had been stored away in my useless fact file for> over 30 years. I did> check some lyric sites just now, and yep, no Jackie> Robinson (although I> really think the lyric would have fit). > > Sorry to have put all you musicologists through> those gyrations> (although many of the answers were quite> entertaining and creative). I> promise to doublecheck my information the next time.> > > Bob> I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. Toview my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html__________________________________________________Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 03:41:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Ripken Carlos, I will address your points: A divided clubhouse is overrated? That is an opinion, I think it makes a difference, you obviously do not Revolutioniizing the position, are you actually trying to tell me that if Ripken did not play shortstop in the 80's that ARod and Tejada would have been brought up in different positions? That seems a little far-fetched to me. ARod and Tejada would be the great shortstops that they are if Ripken never played a game in the majors. Especially since both have very good gloves, something Ripken was not know for. I may have went a little overboard by saying blowing away, but as far as offensive players there is no comparison. Winfield's prime years were in the late 70's when offense was no where near what it was during Ripken's prime years in the late 80's to early 70's. Despite that Winfield managed to outhomer him, have a better average and blow him away in steals despite having some 500 fewer ABs. Plus, Winfield played well into 40's and was still productive, while 7 of Ripken's last 8 seasons (in an offensive era) was average at best. The point I was really trying to make is that Winfield is considered a great player, but certainly not an elite, he is no where near the class of a Willie Mays. As far as Winfield being an Outfielder where he should have produced, Ripken should have moved to 3rd base earlier in his career which like the outfield is a power position. When he finally did move there, he was a below average offensive third baseman. As for your final point, are you actually trying to claim that if someone's backup is not as productive then the starter should never sit? If someone is behind a star at a position and they can hit, the team will either move their position or trade them to fill other holes. Most backups are far less talented offensively than the star. Does that mean that they should never play? Of course not, there are situations where starters are in slumps, need a rest, need to rest an injury or the backup hits the starting pitcher better than the star. Every star with the exception of Ripken for those 15 years (and Tejada now) takes a seat for the good of the team. And I dont think that there is any question that Ripken and the Oriole ownership controlled that streak, not the manager. The manager had no choice but to put his name in the lineup every nite. That is not good for a The truth is I dont feel either way about Ripken either, except that I think he was overrated and selfish. I still think he was a very good player, who deserves to be in the hall, he was just not an elite player. It is funny some of the people referring to a New York bias in questioning Ripken. Like I am that shallow to care about a guy who hasnt played in five years. Yes, I am a Yankee fan, but Ripken was never a hated opponent. When he was great in the 80's, the Yankees were a bad team, so it did not matter. When the Yankee's were great in the 90's, Ripken was a below average third baseman. I certainly never feared seeing him up in key situations in the mid to late 90's. Sorry Carlos, I am entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 00:01:45 -0500 To: "Tom Massimo" From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Tom, I will offer my final rebuttal and counter. A divided clubhouse is overrated. Of course that's an opinion, this whole thing is based on opinion for both of us, but I base my assertion on my belief that baseball is the most individual team sport. In Baseball as a player I could theoretically perform at the highest level and have almost no impact on the game. As a power hitter I can be intentionally walked because they want to avoid my power, as a defensive star my prowess gives no contribution if the ball doesn't happen to come anywhere near me and as a runner all the stolen bases in the world can't help if nobody can put the ball in play for me to use the speed to get me home. I can be fundamentally sound in every way and can contribute by performing I'm still completely relying on others to perform for themselves on their own individual basis. This is different from hockey, football or basketball where in different positions I can setup a pass, make a block or commit some action to help "create" an opportunity for a The closest to this in baseball is stealing a base and putting pressure on a pitcher, or making a great grab to start a potential double play, but while close this isn't quite the same thing as drawing the attention of a defense and passing to a wide open teammate or creating an opening for them directly. No matter how much pressure I put on the pitcher on the pitcher or the quality of play I make, I can only impact the smallest part of the game. In reality only a pitcher can dominate a game by being unhittable, and if he's truly unhittable then the pitcher could almost play with any defense as long as they can make routine plays. On second point, I am trying to tell you that if Ripken doesn't play a guy like A-Rod doesn't end up at Short. Tejada might still because he is still a smaller guy with some range, basically the prototype shortstop before Ripken. Ripken was 6 foot 4, A-Rod is 6 foot 3, guys like that didn't end up at short much before Ripken, they were generally smaller guys with some range and little power, with few exceptions. Obviously I can't prove it, but I would suggest that Rodriguez would have probably ended up at first, or in the outfield depending on his arm strength. So A-Rod's glove would likely have been in use somewhere else. For the next point, you're right when you say as offensive players go there is no comparison. Winfield was a huge man at 6 foot 6 and 220. He was also built and additionally an outfielder so you're comparing an outfielder to a shortstop again. So I'll agree that for an outfielder Ripken's power numbers are subpar, but for a shortstop they are among the top all-time. You suggest that in Winfield's prime years in the late 70's offense was no where near Ripken's prime in the 80's. Well... let's see if this is the case. Obviously I can't check every player (nor would I want to), but I'll try averaging out the leaders to see if the 80's was much higher. 1970's (Major League Leaders - Avg.) HR: 40.25 RBI: 124.7 Runs per game (4.16) 1980's (ML Leaders Avg.) HR: 39.6 RBI: 119.4 Runs per game (4.36) Now I know this is just the leaders (I did both leagues in case you were curious, so 20 for each), but it seems at least the guys who topped both leagues had no problem producing offense in the 1970s including Dave who was a leader in RBI at some point here. The Homer totals are almost identical with a slight edge to the 70's while RBI totals were an average of 5 higher in the 70's. So it appears that at least at the top of the league Winfield's prime was a more offensive era. Now in runs per game you're right the 80's had .2 runs per game more on average with fluctuations all over the place. So you can place whatever weight you feel .2 runs is worth. Although interestingly enough Winfield's best seasons came in the 80's and had a couple of 20HR campaigns at the tail end of his career in the early 90s... so I guess Dave benefitted from it too a little bit. Despite that he had marginally better homers, slightly higher average but yes... he had way more steals. So at least he blew him away in As for your suggestion that he should have moved to third base earlier in his career. How early? Using errors and fielding percentage he was at his worst throughout his 20's. He won his 2 gold gloves at SS at 30 and 31 years old and generally made less errors in his 30s, topping out at 22 when he was already at 3rd base in 1996, having his worst fielding percentage in 1999 at age 38 when he should without a doubt have moved perhaps to DH, but he finished his final season with a .956 fielding percentage when he was a career .979 at shortstop, not sparkling but not heinous, especially when Ozzie Smith was a career .978 at short and he is regarded more for his defense. This is already very long so I'll be brief on your last point. I'm suggesting that I'm playing the starter as long as their playing is not a liability in relation to what else I have. I'm not saying Ripken wasn't, but I can't assess that without knowing who this backup would be. Depending on that I might rather have a slumping Ripken who might break out or a Ripken that is 60% over a crappy sub. And it's tough to argue Ripken really hurt the team since the Orioles mostly sucked during his career. I just don't see how benching Ripken would have helped the Orioles break out of the stranglehold they had on 3rd-7th place in 14 of his 21 seasons. Orioles management might have been in control of the streak as you claim, but the team wasn't any good, so I would probably play my star player too in their place if they're gonna stink anyway. So that's all I got Tom. I respect your opinion, but I can't agree with you at all, which is fine. Gave me an excuse to give baseball- reference and my calculator a good workout, which is always nice. P.S. Folks I promise that's it for me. I don't want to break any Morganti records for word count on the server if I can help it. ================= To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:25:12 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And the answer is... Well all I can say is our old friend and creator of infamous "faux pau" lyrics such as Fernando the Late Great John Ball is having a great laugh in that eternal "Bull-pen in the sky" at the hoax you pulled over on us all. We're going to watching out for you ;-) - Way to string us along!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Okay, time for the answer. But, for those of you who have sick minds, like me, and like to figure things out, here's how I'll do it. I will list clues, and then, after an appropriate blank space, the answer: 1. Song was from a true one-hit wonder 2. It was done by a group 3. The refrain of the song was similar to the title of another song, from the 60's, that was a big hit in the 60's, and immensely popular in the 70's due to a movie. 4. The year was 1973 5. The player was Jackie Robinson And the answer is: Brother Louie by the Stories. Had the line. "Makes no difference if you're black or you're white, Robinson knows what I mean". ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 05:40:22 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? Sounds a lot like my "bitchen & moanin" about my beloved Tigers who are constantly snubbed by the voters. Guys like Jack Morris, Mickey Lolich, Alan Tramell and "Sweet" Lou Whitaker have always been on MY list of deserving candidates for the Hall, much like your list of "forgotten" Yanks Linda. Morris might still have an 'outside" chance but ALL the others will just be players that we admired a great deal - we won't see them in the Hall. My 2 cents. REGARDS ------------------ MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: 2006 Hall of Fame voting results The complete vote (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% > Looks like Ripkin and Gwynn made it but i sure wouldn't have voted for them because i don't think they are that great of players. There are certainly far better players than those 2 who are NOT in the Hall. Any of the following should be in the Hall ahead of Ripkin: Roger Maris Tony Kubek Bobby Richardson Clete Boyer Elston Howard Bobby Murcer Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd Ripkin and Gwynn are not in the class of these players- Bobby Richardson- best 2nd baseman to play the game Tony Kubek- best shortstop Clete Boyer-best 3rd baseman ================= To: "OBC" Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 06:31:13 -0500 From: "Larry Tipton" Subject: Mea Culpa- For The Last 45 Years I was recently watching football on TV. The team was driving for a touchdown, and is now inside the 10 yard line. The announcer says it's "Goal To Go!" I always thought it was "Goal To Goal" (which never made any sense). ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:41:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza house... Yea my brother and I messed up a bunch of lyrics growing up... 1) "Chug a Lug it's drivin me mad it's makin me crazy".... the singer was quite a "Joker" 2) "Thirty watts more...it's just a thirty watts more"--- from a "foriegn" band 3) And my all time favorite which I can GUARANTEE no one else but us heard.... "Tell me there's a Betza playing on my guitar"... by this "electric" hard rock band... ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:23:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Sorry to keep Carlos and my debate going on in the Ramblings. I just took a quick glance at your rebuttal. Can you calculate offense for 1977 to 1982 (Winfield's prime) and 1987 to 1992 (Ripken's prime) that would be a lot more meaningful than entire decades, considering that Winfield (who never spent a day in the minors) didnt even debut until 1973. Also I think (my opinion) that Fielding % is a very overrated stat, especially for shortstop. It does not measure range and actually penalizes guys with better range because they might boot a ball that a lesser ranged player cannot get too or make an errant throw from a ball that a lesser ranged player would never have gotten near. Some of the newer fielding stats dreamed up by these sabermetric guys are much better indicators. Gold gloves are also notorious for being given on reputation and not on merit. And according to my opinion Ripken is the ultimate hype guy. Oriole fans may remember this better than me, as I am doing this strictly from memory, but I do recall around 1988 or 1989, Oriole management wanted to move Ripken to 3rd base to make room for the immortal Juan Bell, and I assure you it was not because of Bell's offense. So even that early in his career, the team wanted him to play 3rd base. I also disagree about ARod being switched just because of his size. He was drafted number # 1 in the nation, which means every single scout was aware of his bat and his glove as a shortstop. Also it is not like he spent so much time in the minors, he played half a season in the majors at 20 years old. The Mariners would have been aware of his good glove even if Ripken never played a major league game. Also I came across this interesting piece of information last nite (I write a column for a Fantasy Baseball site). Ramon Hernandez was having a great first half last season, then the Orioles had him catch both games of a doubleheader in 88 degree weather. Following that he went into a prolonged slump until he sat out 4 straight games. He then had a great September. Obviously that is an extreme example, but it shows that it doesnt matter who caught those 4 games that Hernandez sat out. The team and Hernandez benefited from the rest. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 09:26:41 EST To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken In a message dated 1/10/2007 8:26:02 AM Central Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Sorry to keep Carlos and my debate going on in the Ramblings. I just took a quick glance at your rebuttal. perhaps you can email each other at this point ================= To: , Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 08:39:51 -0500 From: "chuckparis" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza house... Jungle Love - Steve MIller Dirty White Boy - Foreigner ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 8:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza house... Yea my brother and I messed up a bunch of lyrics growing up... 1) "Chug a Lug it's drivin me mad it's makin me crazy".... the singer was quite a "Joker" 2) "Thirty watts more...it's just a thirty watts more"--- from a "foriegn" band 3) And my all time favorite which I can GUARANTEE no one else but us heard.... "Tell me there's a Betza playing on my guitar"... by this "electric" hard rock band... ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 14:51:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Gary, you can also switch to daily digest. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 10:08:11 EST To: tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken In a message dated 1/10/2007 9:00:44 AM Central Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Gary, you can also switch to daily digest. you're right tom ,,and in fact, i sue the digest for thanks. so i would have a daily digest of what has turned into a pissing contest between you and carlos. you both made your baseball points, and are now turning into personal attacks. i think you can exclude the rest of the group in that part of your conversation. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:11:04 -0800 (PST) To: smartalecx@aol.com, tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken I have a better idea, lets set up a steal cage match at the garden...:-) smartalecx@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2007 8:26:02 AM Central Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Sorry to keep Carlos and my debate going on in the Ramblings. I just took a quick glance at your rebuttal. perhaps you can email each other at this point Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 11:29:31 -0500 To: duph182@yahoo.com (Dan Angland) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken To: smartalecx@aol.com, tdmassimo@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 07:11:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken I have a better idea, lets set up a steal cage match at the garden...:-) smartalecx@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/10/2007 8:26:02 AM Central Standard Time, tdmassimo@yahoo.com writes: Sorry to keep Carlos and my debate going on in the Ramblings. I just took a quick glance at your rebuttal. perhaps you can email each other at this point Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Yahoo! Answers. Try it now. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:43:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Thanks for the post Earl. I am having fun with the debate and it is not my intention to make it personal or to insult anyone. If anyone has interpreted my posts as such, I apologize and will make a better effort to keep it to baseball. My intention is to debate the career of a Hall of Fame player and I am having fun seeing my points challenged and challenging other's points. Like Earl, said if you dont like it, delete and move on, just like I do when I see posts that I dont have an interest in. I dont think we want to go in the direction of monitering the content of posts unless they are offensive. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:03:09 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: a life of its own since my comment to take a particular debate off the group server and deal with it privately has seem to taken on a life of its own, i wanted to tell the group what i thought i had politely mentioned to one of the participants i personally have no issue with the debate, and i dont read what i dont care to read. however, while reading the "baseball debate", the following two comments were posted to the server: "Sorry Carlos, I am entitled to my opinion whether you agree with it or not." (tom) "Tom, While I don't have any special reverence for Ripken, I think you're actually the one going out of his way to prove your point." (carlos) at that point, it sounded like they were moving away from the baseball debate, and starting to get into a personal arguement. appearantly, asking them to move off the server was a problem for at least one of them. i apologize for having posted my suggestion on the server. i thought i sent it to the individual, but must have hit "reply all" by accident. i expressed that apology to the individuals involved, but am not sure if it was even i hope this will end this conversation, although the idea of a cage match was intriguing. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:25:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris Stufflestreet" Subject: The Ripken debate I for one find it refreshing to see so many OBC emails -- especially at a time when there is little baseball being played and otherwise we'd be talking about trades, free agent signings and waiting for the day that Spring Training gets underway. I think this debate is healthy and gives some OBC members a chance to speak up who normally remain quiet outside of the Thanks emails. However, I'm with Gary M. on one point...let's keep it civil. Geno and the OBCAC have enough to deal with as it is without having to be babysitters too. The things about the entire process that strike me are: 1. Two excellent players get elected into the HOF but half the stories about the election focus on one player who WASN'T voted in. That's sports jounalism at work, folks. But, what do you expect from people who spend their careers wishing they'd been able to run, throw, swing a bat or kick a ball better than what God gave them the ability or desire to do and make up for that shortcoming by using their talent -- writing -- to rip into the guys that were so gifted? 2. So the ballot didn't let Ripken in with 100%...So (Bucky Dent's Bosox "middle name") What? The way I see it, if Ruth, Cobb, Aaron or Willie Mays didn't get 100%, nobody will. Whether a player gets 100% of the vote, or 90 or 80 or 75...he's still getting a plaque in August. 3. So McGwire didn't make it this time...he's got 14 more chances, and I'm saying right here that he'll get in eventually. However, nobody has mentioned the players who won't be on the next ballot, like Steve Garvey, whose 15 years just ran out. 4. A first-ballot election is all well and good, but a quick glance at some of the players who didn't get in the first time will show that the player who has to wait is in good company. As mentioned here already, Joe DiMaggio went 3 years before getting in. Certifiable legends Tris Speaker, Nap Lajoie and Cy Young had to wait until their second year. Harmon Killebrew, Eddie Mathews, Jimmie Foxx and Mel Ott -- ALL of whom clubbed more than 500 HRs -- waited anywhere from 3-6 years before getting in. As I said earlier, once they get the plaque, it doesn't matter when they get in or by what percentage...when they're in, they're in. 5. Nobody is mentioning that there is still a HOF voting for next month -- the Veterans' Committe will announce their results sometime in February. Ron Santo, Roger Maris, Gil Hodges and the recently deceased Cecil Travis are among the nominees. I think it's time to start debating that vote rather than the one that's over. 6. While we're at it...the 2008 vote will be a chance for this year's also-rans to get in. With a "rookie class" of nominees headlined by Randy Velarde, next year just might see the election of Gossage, Rice, Dawson or (for Ray Luurs) Blyleven. They may be able to squeak in without names like Ripken or Gwynn to distract the writers. I still don't think McGwire will get in next year, though. But I have been known to be wrong...just ask my wife. 7. Whoever gets into the HOF will have absolutely NO bearing on anything that is affecting our lives. As I'm writing this, American men and women are in harm's way, the leaders of the new majority in Congress is hinting they'll cut off funding and therefore equipment. Our President -- love him or hate him -- is faced with a series of decisions that nobody here would want to make. At the same time, we as Americans are being taxed at an even higher rate than the one that caused some of our forefathers to get so pi**ed off they dumped tea into Boston Harbor...and our elected officials have the nerve to tell us we're not "giving" enough...as if what we earn isn't ours but rather what the government allows us to keep. It's nice to have baseball as a diversion, but if Americans complained enough about our burdens as we do about sports, we'd be in better shape. My venting is over. Agree? Disagree? Keep the emails coming. I enjoy reading what my OBC friends think of this. Take care, ================= To: b_betza , Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:30:12 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza I think the third one is AC/DC - Rock and Roll Ain't Noise Pollution To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: b_betza@yahoo.comDate: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:41:22 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Identify these screwed up lyricsfrom the Betza house... Yea my brother and I messed up a bunch of lyrics growing up... 1) "Chug a Lug it's drivin me mad it's makin me crazy".... the singer was quite a "Joker"2) "Thirty watts more...it's just a thirty watts more"--- from a "foriegn" band3) And my all time favorite which I can GUARANTEE no one else but us heard.... "Tell me there's a Betza playing on my guitar"... by this "electric" hard rock band...Brian Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:45:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Ripken I have looked at the two comments that Gary listed, and I for one, was not the least bit insulted by Carlos' comment. In fact I didnt even think twice when I originally read it. My comment was not meant to be offensive, on a rereading does not appear to offensive, and if it was I apologize. But I dont think that it is right when one person unilaterally decides what is appropriate content for OBC ramblings and sends messages to that members and the entire group, telling members in good standing to take their debate private. Plus, Carlos and I were not the only ones debating it. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:39:48 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Ripken debate In a message dated 1/10/2007 12:33:01 PM Central Standard Time, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com writes: 2. So the ballot didn't let Ripken in with 100%...So (Bucky Dent's Bosox "middle name") What? The way I see it, if Ruth, Cobb, Aaron or Willie Mays didn't get 100%, nobody will. Whether a player gets 100% of the vote, or 90 or 80 or 75...he's still getting a plaque in August. did you know that bucky dent and aaron boone share the same middle name? ================= To: "Tom Massimo" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:44:26 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken You and Carlos have carried on a very interesting and civil debate, some on the server have enjoyed the banter, others not so much. As I see it, Gary was acting as a "veteran" of the group who like myself have seen these debates turn ugly, he was "flashing the warning signs". I don't believe his remark was any more offensive than anything you or Carlos have had to say to one another, it was simply said in your best interest. You are relatively new and Carlos has been "out of the loop" while he was finishing school, we just don't want you guys to make the same mistakes that have been made in the past. As for monitoring the content of post, that is done on a regular basis. The OBCAC has regularly taken measures to insure that a certain ethical code is followed by all of our members while on the server. I don't even want to get into some of the issues this fine group of elected volunteers has had to deal with, but trust me when I tell you these email lines are monitored Tom. As Chris points out this discussion has probably seen its swan-song so let's start talking about when that veterans committee will finally vote in Mickey Lolich (Of course Linda will be pulling for Maris, Tom or Larry will pine for Conception, Gary - I think for Santo, etc...). I assure you, that "old fart" committee will screw it up again this year, just like they usually do but that will be a different debate. Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? BE WELL OBC. REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Massimo" Thanks for the post Earl. I am having fun with the debate and it is not my intention to make it personal or to insult anyone. If anyone has interpreted my posts as such, I apologize and will make a better effort to keep it to baseball. My intention is to debate the career of a Hall of Fame player and I am having fun seeing my points challenged and challenging other's points. Like Earl, said if you dont like it, delete and move on, just like I do when I see posts that I dont have an interest in. I dont think we want to go in the direction of monitering the content of posts unless they are offensive. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 20:55:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Re: Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza house... Great job Chuck and Bob!! Now put on some AC/DC and turn it up loud and see if you can find the Betza too!! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Bob Reed wrote: > I think the third one is AC/DC - Rock and Roll Ain't Noise > To: OBC-Ramblings@...: b_betza@...: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 13:41:22 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Identify these screwed up lyrics from the Betza house... > Yea my brother and I messed up a bunch of lyrics growing up... 1) "Chug a Lug it's drivin me mad it's makin me crazy".... the singer was quite a "Joker"2) "Thirty watts more...it's just a thirty watts more"--- from a "foriegn" band3) And my all time favorite which I can GUARANTEE no one else but us heard.... "Tell me there's a Betza playing on my guitar"... by this "electric" hard rock > _________________________________________________________________ > Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx? ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:07:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: 2007 HOM/HOF Election Results Grand Blanc, Michigan January 10, 2007 For Immediate Release Public Statement re: 2007 HOM/HOF ELECTION Attribute to: Earl "EEK" Kilbourn, Founder House Of Maxwell Hall Of Earlier today the House Of Maxwell announced the admission of two new members into it's Hall Of Favorites. The newest members are Joe Rudi and Merv Rettenmund. Ballot results include total Ballots submitted and percentage of yes Joe Rudi 1 100% Merv Rettenmund 1 100% Extreme bias was apparent in the elections of Rudi and Rettenmund as the former shares a birthdate with the founder and the latter was born in the same city. Neither Mr. Rudi or Mr. Rettenmund could be reached for a formal statement regarding their indictment, er induction. The Grand Blanc Department of Rumor Control reported that an anonymous House Of Maxwell official reported that Mr. Rudi reportedly made the following statement regarding his election "frankly my dear, I don't give a damn". For those wishing to donate Joe Rudi and/or Merv Rettenmund memorabilia to the House Of Maxwell Hall Of Favorites please refer to the Official Home Page via the OBC Directory. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 16:19:45 -0500 To: talbot1@comcast.net From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken My goodness, I slept in this morning, do my usual offline reading, fire up the old e-mail software and you guys have been busy without me. lol. I'm glad some have enjoyed the debate. A little surprised at others who believe it has taken on a more personal character, I never felt it had, but that's ok, I can see why you might interpret the comments that way. Just to clear things up, I never take these things terribly seriously, believe it or not. I also don't take any offense when anybody disagrees with me or counters my arguments. I actually enjoy the debate part for the sake of the debate. If everybody agreed the whole thing wouldn't be any fun at all. That being said, I agree that the majority of the baseball part of the argument has concluded and that most of what remains is philosophical difference. For that I can and will e-mail Tom directly to finish. Although I believe that my last e-mail on the subject was still within the realm of baseball as I was countering with mainly statistics and my interpretation of them. In that spirit, I will see what I can do about firing up the old calculator and comparing those offensive numbers Tom, I'll send what I find directly to your e-mail, if anybody else is interested in that specifically let me know and I can forward you a copy as well. Lastly I appreciate Gary's opinion as well. I think as Mark suggested we were having a civil debate, but I do appreciate that Gary was doing his part to keep things clean, which is definitely important. P.S. Should a steel cage match become necessary, the Garden is good, but I was hoping for a bigger venue, I'm looking to maximize the purse, I don't do battle for peanuts you know. lol. On Jan 10, 2007, at 3:44 PM, talbot1@comcast.net wrote: > Tom, > You and Carlos have carried on a very interesting and civil > debate, some on the server have enjoyed the banter, others not so > much. As I see it, Gary was acting as a "veteran" of the group who > like myself have seen these debates turn ugly, he was "flashing the > warning signs". I don't believe his remark was any more offensive > than anything you or Carlos have had to say to one another, it was > simply said in your best interest. You are relatively new and > Carlos has been "out of the loop" while he was finishing school, we > just don't want you guys to make the same mistakes that have been > made in the past. > As for monitoring the content of post, that is done on a > regular basis. The OBCAC has regularly taken measures to insure > that a certain ethical code is followed by all of our members while > on the server. I don't even want to get into some of the issues > this fine group of elected volunteers has had to deal with, but > trust me when I tell you these email lines are monitored Tom. > As Chris points out this discussion has probably seen its swan- > song so let's start talking about when that veterans committee will > finally vote in Mickey Lolich (Of course Linda will be pulling for > Maris, Tom or Larry will pine for Conception, Gary - I think for > Santo, etc...). I assure you, that "old fart" committee will screw > it up again this year, just like they usually do but that will be a > different debate. > Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? BE WELL OBC. > REGARDS ------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:41:15 -0600 To: Tim Newcomb From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: voting results I agree on this point in cases where they state such generalities as "I don't trust anybody that played in the 'steroid era'." This guy deserves to lose his vote. Greg (yaz) Tim Newcomb wrote: > I can't quite get my head around anybody who is professionally > knowledgeable about baseball refusing to vote for Ripken or Gwynn (or > Seaver or Carlton or any of those guys with high vote totals). > People who submit blank ballots in a year like this ought to be told > politely that their services as voters will no longer be required. > Tim ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:33:21 -0600 To: Tom Massimo From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken I'm not going to debate the Ripken HOF issue anymore seeing how you and Carlos are handling it fairly robustly. I will comment briefly on your first paragraph here, only to say, if you don't think media would invent a divided clubhouse, (or such things), apparently you aren't familiar with the Boston press. I'm thinking that while they are the worst at stirring the s**t, there are some traces of that type of journalism in all the big league clubhouses. Greg (yaz) Tom Massimo wrote: > Sorry guys, I still have to disagree, not one of your arguments have > persuaded me that Ripken was overrated and was selfish to keep the > streak going. I dont think the media invented the fractured > clubhouse. They saw these guys everyday and had to write about bad > games, plays, and yet still needed quotes. I dont think they would > have invented a divided clubhouse especially with the reverence that > the media has treated Ripken with. As far as revolutionizing the > Shortstop position, he does not even come close to standing up to > today's Shortstops such as Tejada or Arod (could easily still be a > shortstop) offensively or defensively. In fact he should have moved > over to third base a few years earlier. > Like I said, I think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but has > been treated like he is one of the all-time greats of the game, which > he is clearly not. He was not the best defensive shortstop of his > era (not even close) and a guy like Dave Winfield's offensive numbers > blow his away. > Of course all of the above is subject to opinion, but one thing > cannot be argued, every Oriole manager after Earl Weaver had no > choice but to pencil him into the lineup every nite regardless of > whether he was in a bad slump or if he had trouble against the > starting pitcher. No other player is treated like that. It is easy > to see why that would divide a club and also hurt the team's chances > to win. > I just wish a few of the voters would have left him off just to show > that his streak was selfish and he was not bigger than the game. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 18:47:53 -0800 (PST) To: Yaz , Tom Massimo From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken Actually, I think the concept of a divided clubhouse -- real or invented -- is not necessarily a bad thing. If you read the accounts of the 1971-'75 Oakland A's or the 1977/'78 Yankees (who had four of those former A's: Jackson, Hunter, Lindblad and Holtzman) were constantly at each others' throats. Didn't seem to stop them from winning 5 Series titles between them. Just an observation. Take care, --- Yaz wrote: > Tom, > I'm not going to debate the Ripken HOF issue anymore > seeing how you and > Carlos are handling it fairly robustly. I will > comment briefly on your > first paragraph here, only to say, if you don't > think media would invent > a divided clubhouse, (or such things), apparently > you aren't familiar > with the Boston press. I'm thinking that while they > are the worst at > stirring the s**t, there are some traces of that > type of journalism in > all the big league clubhouses. > Greg (yaz) I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Cheap talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. http://voice.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 03:16:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Ripken The A's clubhouse was an interesting one, I have heard Reggie Jackson say that they all hated each other, but they all hated Charlie Finley even more. The Yankee clubhouse of the late 70's, I think was exaggerated. Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson did not get along, but Billy wasn't there for the second World Series. The Jackson/Munson relationship, I think started off badly, but by the time Munson died they were friends. I remember seeing an interview with Jackson where he said Munson kept trying to get him to go up in his plane. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:16:49 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: EPSCC Reading March Show I am leaning toward going to this show instead of White Plains. Does anyone know the motel situation in the area? I would probably stay over Saturday Night if I go. ================= To: Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:25:01 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mea Culpa- For The Last 45 Years If Larry has guts enough to "confess", I think I should too. I spent 30 years silently trying to understand why a basketball foul shot was taken at the "three-throw" line??? Thanks Larry, I feel better already! Marshall West ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tipton To: OBC Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 4:31 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mea Culpa- For The Last 45 Years I was recently watching football on TV. The team was driving for a touchdown, and is now inside the 10 yard line. The announcer says it's "Goal To Go!" I always thought it was "Goal To Goal" (which never made any sense). ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 00:59:05 -0500 From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Can I ask a favor? Hey folks, I have made a habit of scouring through the ebay stores on occasion recently and have managed to find some interesting stuff for my lists. While doing my normal searches I ran across this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/1970-Topps-Baseball-Lot-30-Clemente-McCovey-AS-Pr- It's an ebay lot of 30 1970 Topps including Clemente, a high number and a few other cards in very tipton condition. I would have already bought the lot but the seller only deals to the US. So what I'm looking for is one of my American friends who's doing the 70 set that wouldn't mind splitting the lot with me. I only need the Clemente and the high number so that would leave 28 cards for you if interested. :P Please let me know and let's see what we can work out. Thanks for reading, ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 2:51:57 -0800 To: Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? But I saw Alan Trammell in the Hall !! The year of the "Greatest Basebal Vacation Ever" when we went to Cooperstown to see Mike Schmidt inducted. ( hey Digdugdig!) The Tigers were playing in the Hall of Fame exhibition game that year and some Detroit players were spotted in the museum getting a tour from some Hall executives. Alan Trammell was in uniform, in the Hall of Fame !! We saw Roy Smalley Jr. outside when he was working for ESPN...and we started acquiring HOF Vintage baseball cards for serious that week. My wallet has screamed for mercy ever since:) OBC Forever, ---- talbot1@comcast.net wrote: > Sounds a lot like my "bitchen & moanin" about my beloved Tigers who are constantly snubbed by the voters. Guys like Jack Morris, Mickey Lolich, Alan Tramell and "Sweet" Lou Whitaker have always been on MY list of deserving candidates for the Hall, much like your list of "forgotten" Yanks Linda. Morris might still have an 'outside" chance but ALL the others will just be players that we admired a great deal - we won't see them in the Hall. > My 2 cents. > REGARDS ------------------ MARK > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Linda" > -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > 2006 Hall of Fame voting results > The complete vote > (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): > Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% > > Looks like Ripkin and Gwynn made it but i sure wouldn't have voted > for them because i don't think they are that great of players. > There are certainly far better players than those 2 who are NOT in > the Hall. > Any of the following should be in the Hall ahead of Ripkin: > Roger Maris > Tony Kubek > Bobby Richardson > Clete Boyer > Elston Howard > Bobby Murcer > Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd > baseman > Ripkin and Gwynn are not in the class of these players- > Bobby Richardson- best 2nd baseman to play the game > Tony Kubek- best shortstop > Clete Boyer-best 3rd baseman > Linda ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:08:23 EST To: marshall@marshallwest.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mea Culpa- For The Last 45 Years I think your misunderstanding of the "three" throw line sounds reasonable. It probably goes back to the time of the NBA's infamous "three to make two" foul shot attempts. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:01:43 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Who's in your star binders? Greetings gang, This HOF debate has brought up some interesting points, but it got me thinking (which, although rare, is usually not a good thing when I decide to put those thoughts into print ). A lot of the players up for election to the Hall now were playing when I was first collecting as a kid (late 70's/early 80's). Part of my 'collection' at that time was putting together a binder of my favorites along with complete sets of Topps (and two other 'new' companies for you OBC purists). Most of these players were 'future Hall of Famers' as far as a 15 year-old Ken was concerned, so who exactly gets the nod and who missed the cut into my 'Hall'? The binder is actually four, with one having all the 'rookie cards' and the other three sorted by player, but none are in any particular order. Here's a brief list with a brief description if possible. Some of the players have since been enshrined, but some of them will make you shake your head and ask, "Why?" Any reference to Steve, Mike, John or Brian is a throwback to the kids I traded with and not anyone in this forum. THE ROOKIE BINDER: Brett Saberhagen - c'mon, the guy had two Cy Young awards in his first five years in the league. So what if he couldn't pitch in even numbered years? Vince Coleman - another flash and fade player, who was going to shatter every stolen base record known to man. Frank Viola, Tom Browning, Ron Darling, Dan Petry, Rick Sutcliffe, Bill Caudill, Joaquin Andujar - all these guys are represented in my binder, some more than others. Most of the players were either one year wonders or just some bums that Steve, Mike or Brian liked, so I had to separate their rookies to avoid getting cleaned out of them at the next swap session! Dwight Gooden - oh, how the mighty have fallen. Where are you now Dr. K? Wade Boggs - a local favorite and possible HOM'er for me if he wasn't already enshrined in the big Hall. One of the only 'investments' I ever made that actually panned out. Tony Gwynn - didn't get to see him play much, since he was in the NL and on the west coast, but I liked his hitting enough to make another 'investment' in his RC's. Ryne Sandberg - another guy with a 1983 RC. I didn't care for him as much, which is why I still need a bunch of these for my 9-set project. I considered him in the same category as Ripken (below). Ron Kittle - didn't he hit something like 50 homers in the minors and set the rookie record for HR's after that? Willie McGee - my project took the remaining (1983) RC's out of the binder. He went from NL MVP to playing a season for the Red Sox that I didn't even remember until I looked it up. Gorman Thomas - I never liked it when 'Stomin Gorman' came to the plate against the Red Sox with the game on the line. Tim Raines - the Vince Coleman before there was Vince Coleman - and Raines was a better hitter. Saw a Patriots Day game where he hit three homers and the ChiSox trounced the BoSox Kirby Puckett - a career and a life cut tragically short. I'm glad I had sense enough to include him in my binder. Bob Horner - a Top Ten HR and RBI man for most of his career. Tommy Herr - OK, this was Steve's guy, so I had to stash a couple of his cards away, so I'd have some if he ever really became good. Cal Ripken - other than the streak, he never really did anything flashy that I felt would warrant induction. But for 18 years, no one was good enough to take the job away from him. Jack Morris - the most dominant pitcher of the 80's... how come this guy isn't in yet? Whenever the Sox faced him, it was always "Maybe we'll get them Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson, Roger Clemens - one's already in, the other two aren't eligible yet, but are both shoo-ins Orel Hershiser - after that 19-3 Cy Young winning season, his cards all landed here. Unfortunately, the only thing left in his career was the scoreless streak I think. Wally Joyner - after his first two seasons, was pictured on the backs of milk cartons. 1987 was the last year I put any new RC's in the binder Fernando Valenzuela - like the dearly departed Rick Redpath once wrote, at least he still has his song. Mike Davis - who? All right, the only reason he's in here is from a single box of Donruss in which I pulled no less than thirty of his RC's. Some packs had SIX of the same card in them. He had a couple 20 HR seasons though. Star Binder #1: Hank Aaron, Harmon Killebrew - were already retired and awaiting Cooperstown, but they were my two favorite players to collect. Almost all the cards have long ago been sent out to OBC and the first five pages are now empty. Pete Rose, Carl Yastrzemski - both these guys were near the end of their surefire HOF careers. Of course, this was before Pete became a manager with a gambling problem. Willie McCovey and Stargell - I think I once read an article that said to collect the "Home Run Willies" as an investment. Prior to joining OBC, I probably had one of each of their cards (from the 1970's onward anyway - the older ones were too expensive for a 15 year-old with no paper route at the time) Tom Seaver - was already a shoo-in for the Hall before I started collecting, so his cards had to be saved. George Brett - he almost hit .400 in 1980 and hit over .300 almost every other year. Seemed like a good bet to me. Jim Kaat - my friend John's guy. Pitched for a million years and probably didn't get a shot at the Hall because of that. George Foster - OK, so he only had one really good season, but not a lot of guys had 50 HR seasons before the 'Steroid Age'. Rollie Fingers - maybe the mustache was more popular than he was, but he did turn out OK. Robin Yount - hey, a shortstop who could hit too. What a novel idea! Mike Schmidt - 40 HR's and 100 RBI's every year. Yeah, I'd take that on my team if I had the chance. STAR BINDER #2: Reggie Jackson - Mr. October hit pretty well from April to September too if I Andre Dawson - when his cards landed in this binder, he was a consistent .300BA - 25HR - 80RBI guy. Dale Murphy - back to back MVP's and no shot at the Hall? His other numbers weren't THAT bad either. Dave Winfield - another reason it was easy to hate the Yankees. He beat the crap outta the ball. Eddie Murray - Ho hum. Another year, another .300 - 30 - 100 season. Gaylord Perry - another one who pitched forever, but unlike Kaat, he had a whole mess of 19+ win seasons. Tony Armas - maybe a little hometown bias on this one. But he was coming off a league leading HR season for the Sox. Either struck out or hit it out. Besides, who else has a name with four body parts in it? Dave Kingman - maybe I liked guys who just HR'ed or K'ed? Vida Blue - after making it into the binder and leaving Oakland, he only had one decent season. Gary Carter - Brian collected catchers. I never had any Fisk or Bench cards, but for some reason Brian never got all of my Carter cards. Dan Quisenberry - I loved the submarine style of this perennial save leader. Dave Parker - another .300 hitter with some decent power numbers too. Ron Guidry - that 25-3 season he had was just plain filthy. Steve Garvey - came within 8 hits of having seven consecutive 200 hit seasons and holds the NL record for consecutive games played. Has a bunch of hardware and AS appearances too. STAR BINDER #3: Rod Carew - easily the best pure hitter in the game at the time. Jim Rice - my all-time favorite player and HOM'er - if I didn't think he had a shot at the real Hall. The most feared hitter in the game for a few years, but ended up just shy of a few milestone numbers that would've put him in already. Maybe next year. Steve Carlton - all right, so he already had nearly 300 wins and 3000 K's by the time he made it to the binder. Does that make it a no-brainer? Nolan Ryan - I never thought he'd pitch so long. It's hard to ignore someone with more K's than innings pitched every year. Phil Niekro - was already 100 years old when I put him in the binder and kept pitching for a few more years after that. Bob Horner - collusion and injuries limited his career after winning the ROY award. Retired at age 31. Daryl Strawberry - couldn't "just say no". Kent Hrbek - Steve, just because a guy hits .301 for a season, it doesn't make him a future HOF'er. Don Mattingly - I never thought he played long enough to get in. Yankee fan Mike liked him enough to make me stash a few away in the binder though. Bruce Sutter - I'd better save some cards of this guy getting 30 saves every Eric Davis - hey! I think my brother put some cards in the back of my binder! Well, that's about it. Some of the notable omissions include Paul Molitor, Fergie Jenkins, Rich Gossage, Catfish Hunter, Joe Morgan, Don Sutton and Tony Perez. Many of these guys are possible borderline cases anyway, but they are all elected and some of the guys in my binders will never be. I pretty much stopped adding to the binders in 1987, when I began concentrating on the older sets instead of trying to complete the 5 or 6 sets that were coming out every year. Plus, my 'rookie investment' phase came to an abrupt halt after buying Mike Greenwell cards at only $3 a pop. Now I'd be lucky to get $3 for the whole stack of them I have left. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my little trip down card collecting memory lane. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: , Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 15:30:09 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? Ah yes - Alan "in" the HOF!!! Thanks Brian - BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: But I saw Alan Trammell in the Hall !! The year of the "Greatest Basebal Vacation Ever" when we went to Cooperstown to see Mike Schmidt inducted. ( hey Digdugdig!) The Tigers were playing in the Hall of Fame exhibition game that year and some Detroit players were spotted in the museum getting a tour from some Hall executives. Alan Trammell was in uniform, in the Hall of Fame !! We saw Roy Smalley Jr. outside when he was working for ESPN...and we started acquiring HOF Vintage baseball cards for serious that week. My wallet has screamed for mercy ever since:) OBC Forever, ---- talbot1@comcast.net wrote: > Sounds a lot like my "bitchen & moanin" about my beloved Tigers who are constantly snubbed by the voters. Guys like Jack Morris, Mickey Lolich, Alan Tramell and "Sweet" Lou Whitaker have always been on MY list of deserving candidates for the Hall, much like your list of "forgotten" Yanks Linda. Morris might still have an 'outside" chance but ALL the others will just be players that we admired a great deal - we won't see them in the Hall. > My 2 cents. > REGARDS ------------------ MARK > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Linda" > -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > 2006 Hall of Fame voting results > The complete vote > (545 ballots, 409 needed for election): > Cal Ripken 537 98.5% Tony Gwynn 532 97.6% > > Looks like Ripkin and Gwynn made it but i sure wouldn't have voted > for them because i don't think they are that great of players. > There are certainly far better players than those 2 who are NOT in > the Hall. > Any of the following should be in the Hall ahead of Ripkin: > Roger Maris > Tony Kubek > Bobby Richardson > Clete Boyer > Elston Howard > Bobby Murcer > Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd > baseman > Ripkin and Gwynn are not in the class of these players- > Bobby Richardson- best 2nd baseman to play the game > Tony Kubek- best shortstop > Clete Boyer-best 3rd baseman > Linda ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:16:32 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: website issues? has anyone else noticed that the website has been moving very slowly the past few days? gm ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:26:11 EST To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] website issues? It has been moving very slow for me also, I at first thought it was my computer, but Rick also pointed this problem out to me as well Rob Gioia ================= Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:10:34 -0800 (PST) To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: another shot at availables Hi everyone, Due to the amount of emails that have bombarded you guys the last couple of days I am re-listing what is left from the availables. No return fire needed but please send your current address. Thanks, Dan 1960 Topps Baseball184 1966 Topps Baseball 46, 128, 169, 370, 1967 Topps Baseball184, 260, 294, 299, 1969 Topps Baseball17, 33, 53, 67, 374, 387, 414, 458 1970 Topps Baseball 628 1971 Topps Baseball19, 78, 88, 105 1974 Topps Baseball 21, 57, 82, 134, 210, 276, 277, 289, 289, 289, 310, 354, 359, 362, 365, 368, 374, 377, 381, 395, 495, 615, 626, 627, 1974 Topps Baseball Traded 270T, 390T 1976 Topps Baseball 22, 29, 176, 238, 294, 306, 322, 324, 356, 361, 485, 635, 647, 656, 1976 Topps Baseball Traded 120T, 211T, 380T, 497T, 579T, 1977 Topps Baseball 63, 79, 107, 297, 454, 513, 629, 658 1979 Topps Baseball 47, 50, 50, 126, 154, 154, 162, 469, 605, 684, 686, 699, 703 1980 Topps Baseball 34, 40, 44, 126, 126, 150, 173, 191, 207, 248, 258, 269, 273, 283, 294, 294, 347, 352, 359, 360, 438, 438, 440, 474, 474, 479, 538, 564, 571, 643,700, 700, 700, 700 1978 Topps Football 224, 224, 245 Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:51:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: A "great looking lot" on ebay There is a lot of 50's Bowman cards on ebay that the seller describes as a "great looking lot" and "cards display well" but the some of the cards have worm holes, tears, paper loss,tape, creases , wear. Sounds like an OBC lot to me: ebay # 290068865744 http://tinyurl.com/yhw4zc ================= To: , Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:45:43 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who's in your star binders? Oopps I forgot Aaron and Mays! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of obcbobd@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 12:37 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: FW: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who's in your star binders? I never had a star binder per se, but when putting all the cards for a year (67-77) into a binder, I would my nine favorite players on the first The most likely players included in this special page; 1. Yaz 2. Clemente 3. F Robby 4. Seaver 5. Banks 6. Jackson 7. Palmer 8. Kaline 9. Brooks > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: cardclctor@aol.com > > Greetings gang, > > This HOF debate has brought up some interesting points, but it got me > > thinking (which, although rare, is usually not a good thing when I decide to > put > > those thoughts into print ). A lot of the players up for election to > > Hall now were playing when I was first collecting as a kid (late > > 80's). Part of my 'collection' at that time was putting together a binder of > my > > favorites along with complete sets of Topps (and two other 'new' companies for > > you OBC purists). Most of these players were 'future Hall of Famers' as far as > a > > 15 year-old Ken was concerned, so who exactly gets the nod and who missed the > > cut into my 'Hall'? The binder is actually four, with one having all the > > 'rookie cards' and the other three sorted by player, but none are in any > > particular order. Here's a brief list with a brief description if > Some > > of the > > players have since been enshrined, but some of them will make you shake > > head and ask, "Why?" Any reference to Steve, Mike, John or Brian is a > > throwback to the kids I traded with and not anyone in this forum. > > > > THE ROOKIE BINDER: > > Brett Saberhagen - c'mon, the guy had two Cy Young awards in his first > > years in the league. So what if he couldn't pitch in even numbered > > Vince Coleman - another flash and fade player, who was going to shatter > > stolen base record known to man. > > Frank Viola, Tom Browning, Ron Darling, Dan Petry, Rick Sutcliffe, Bill > > Caudill, Joaquin Andujar - all these guys are represented in my binder, > > more > > than others. Most of the players were either one year wonders or just > bums > > that Steve, Mike or Brian liked, so I had to separate their rookies to > > getting cleaned out of them at the next swap session! > > Dwight Gooden - oh, how the mighty have fallen. Where are you now Dr. K? > > Wade Boggs - a local favorite and possible HOM'er for me if he wasn't > > enshrined in the big Hall. One of the only 'investments' I ever made > > actually panned out. > > Tony Gwynn - didn't get to see him play much, since he was in the NL and > > the west coast, but I liked his hitting enough to make another 'investment' in > > his RC's. > > Ryne Sandberg - another guy with a 1983 RC. I didn't care for him as > > which is why I still need a bunch of these for my 9-set project. I > > him in the same category as Ripken (below). > > Ron Kittle - didn't he hit something like 50 homers in the minors and set the > > rookie record for HR's after that? > > Willie McGee - my project took the remaining (1983) RC's out of the > > He went from NL MVP to playing a season for the Red Sox that I didn't > > remember until I looked it up. > > Gorman Thomas - I never liked it when 'Stomin Gorman' came to the plate > > against the Red Sox with the game on the line. > > Tim Raines - the Vince Coleman before there was Vince Coleman - and > > was a better hitter. Saw a Patriots Day game where he hit three homers and the > > ChiSox trounced the BoSox > > Kirby Puckett - a career and a life cut tragically short. I'm glad I had > > sense enough to include him in my binder. > > Bob Horner - a Top Ten HR and RBI man for most of his career. > > Tommy Herr - OK, this was Steve's guy, so I had to stash a couple of his > > cards away, so I'd have some if he ever really became good. > > Cal Ripken - other than the streak, he never really did anything flashy > > I felt would warrant induction. But for 18 years, no one was good enough > > take the job away from him. > > Jack Morris - the most dominant pitcher of the 80's... how come this guy > > isn't in yet? Whenever the Sox faced him, it was always "Maybe we'll get > > tomorrow". > > Eddie Murray, Rickey Henderson, Roger Clemens - one's already in, the > > two aren't eligible yet, but are both shoo-ins > > Orel Hershiser - after that 19-3 Cy Young winning season, his cards all > > landed here. Unfortunately, the only thing left in his career was the > scoreless > > streak I think. > > Wally Joyner - after his first two seasons, was pictured on the backs of > > cartons. 1987 was the last year I put any new RC's in the binder > > Fernando Valenzuela - like the dearly departed Rick Redpath once wrote, > > least he still has his song. > > Mike Davis - who? All right, the only reason he's in here is from a > > box of Donruss in which I pulled no less than thirty of his RC's. Some > had > > SIX of the same card in them. He had a couple 20 HR seasons though. > > > > Star Binder #1: > > Hank Aaron, Harmon Killebrew - were already retired and awaiting > > but they were my two favorite players to collect. Almost all the cards > > long ago been sent out to OBC and the first five pages are now empty. > > Pete Rose, Carl Yastrzemski - both these guys were near the end of their > > surefire HOF careers. Of course, this was before Pete became a manager with a > > gambling problem. > > Willie McCovey and Stargell - I think I once read an article that said > > collect the "Home Run Willies" as an investment. Prior to joining OBC, I > > probably > > had one of each of their cards (from the 1970's onward anyway - the > > ones were too expensive for a 15 year-old with no paper route at the > > Tom Seaver - was already a shoo-in for the Hall before I started > > so his cards had to be saved. > > George Brett - he almost hit .400 in 1980 and hit over .300 almost every > > other year. Seemed like a good bet to me. > > Jim Kaat - my friend John's guy. Pitched for a million years and > > didn't get a shot at the Hall because of that. > > George Foster - OK, so he only had one really good season, but not a lot > > guys had 50 HR seasons before the 'Steroid Age'. > > Rollie Fingers - maybe the mustache was more popular than he was, but he > > turn out OK. > > Robin Yount - hey, a shortstop who could hit too. What a novel idea! > > Mike Schmidt - 40 HR's and 100 RBI's every year. Yeah, I'd take that on > > team if I had the chance. > > > > STAR BINDER #2: > > Reggie Jackson - Mr. October hit pretty well from April to September too if I > > recall. > > Andre Dawson - when his cards landed in this binder, he was a consistent > > .300BA - 25HR - 80RBI guy. > > Dale Murphy - back to back MVP's and no shot at the Hall? His other > > weren't THAT bad either. > > Dave Winfield - another reason it was easy to hate the Yankees. He beat > > crap outta the ball. > > Eddie Murray - Ho hum. Another year, another .300 - 30 - 100 season. > > Gaylord Perry - another one who pitched forever, but unlike Kaat, he had > > whole mess of 19+ win seasons. > > Tony Armas - maybe a little hometown bias on this one. But he was coming > > a league leading HR season for the Sox. Either struck out or hit it out. > > Besides, who else has a name with four body parts in it? > > Dave Kingman - maybe I liked guys who just HR'ed or K'ed? > > Vida Blue - after making it into the binder and leaving Oakland, he only > > one decent season. > > Gary Carter - Brian collected catchers. I never had any Fisk or Bench > > but for some reason Brian never got all of my Carter cards. > > Dan Quisenberry - I loved the submarine style of this perennial save > > Dave Parker - another .300 hitter with some decent power numbers too. > > Ron Guidry - that 25-3 season he had was just plain filthy. > > Steve Garvey - came within 8 hits of having seven consecutive 200 hit > > and holds the NL record for consecutive games played. Has a bunch of > > and AS appearances too. > > > > STAR BINDER #3: > > Rod Carew - easily the best pure hitter in the game at the time. > > Jim Rice - my all-time favorite player and HOM'er - if I didn't think he > > a shot at the real Hall. The most feared hitter in the game for a few > > but ended up just shy of a few milestone numbers that would've put him > > already. Maybe next year. > > Steve Carlton - all right, so he already had nearly 300 wins and 3000 K's by > > the time he made it to the binder. Does that make it a no-brainer? > > Nolan Ryan - I never thought he'd pitch so long. It's hard to ignore > > with more K's than innings pitched every year. > > Phil Niekro - was already 100 years old when I put him in the binder and > > pitching for a few more years after that. > > Bob Horner - collusion and injuries limited his career after winning the > > award. Retired at age 31. > > Daryl Strawberry - couldn't "just say no". > > Kent Hrbek - Steve, just because a guy hits .301 for a season, it > > make him a future HOF'er. > > Don Mattingly - I never thought he played long enough to get in. Yankee > > Mike liked him enough to make me stash a few away in the binder though. > > Bruce Sutter - I'd better save some cards of this guy getting 30 saves > > year. > > Eric Davis - hey! I think my brother put some cards in the back of my > > > > Well, that's about it. Some of the notable omissions include Paul > > Fergie Jenkins, Rich Gossage, Catfish Hunter, Joe Morgan, Don Sutton and > > Perez. Many of these guys are possible borderline cases anyway, but they > all > > elected and some of the guys in my binders will never be. I pretty much > > stopped adding to the binders in 1987, when I began concentrating on the > > sets > > instead of trying to complete the 5 or 6 sets that were coming out every > > year. Plus, my 'rookie investment' phase came to an abrupt halt after > > Mike > > Greenwell cards at only $3 a pop. Now I'd be lucky to get $3 for the > > stack of them I have left. Anyway, I hope you enjoyed my little trip down card > > collecting memory lane. TAYL, > > > > Ken M Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 22:28:58 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1977-78 topps hockey glossary Hello All, I have finished the set & discovered a variation on the back. So I am looking for them to complete both type sets. Below is my needs & dupes: any condition-1977/78 topps glossy...photo with signitures on a smaller card & back says 1977 topps. 22 card set a.. Need with 1-* on the back #2(cheevers),7(lafluer),11(martin),15(potvin),18(robinson),21(vachon),22(young) b.. Need with 2-** on the back#4(dionne),6(gillies),20(sittler) Have the following extra in mixed condition with 1-* #3,9,17,19,20 with 2-**1,3,7,8,9,12,15,17,18,19,22 Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: , Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 20:59:27 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? Ditto !!! "... ... i wouldn't trade gwynn for anyone on this list" ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: voting results-WHY Ripkin & Gwynn?? In a message dated 1/9/2007 4:08:49 PM Central Standard Time, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Roger Maris Tony Kubek Bobby Richardson Clete Boyer Elston Howard Bobby Murcer Not to mention Gil McDougald-he could make it as a 2nd or a 3rd i wouldn't trade gwynn for anyone on this list ================= To: , Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 21:20:43 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Spring Training Prediction Wars Ah yes, which is where we can start arguing if the Tigers are truly a greatteam with enough talent to repeat their fabulous season and dump the DY's once again, this time to face, and defeat, the Mets, or if it all was just smoke, mirrors and magic that Jimmy Leyland pulled out of his magical hat. "... ... ...Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? ----- Original Message ----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: Tom Massimo ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken You and Carlos have carried on a very interesting and civil debate, some on the server have enjoyed the banter, others not so much. As I see it,Gary was acting as a "veteran" of the group who like myself have seen these debates turn ugly, he was "flashing the warning signs". I don't believe his remark was any more offensive than anything you or Carlos have had to say to one another, it was simply said in your best interest. You are relatively new and Carlos has been "out of the loop" while he was finishing school, we just don't want you guys to make the same mistakes that have been made in the past. As for monitoring the content of post, that is done on a regular basis. The OBCAC has regularly taken measures to insure that a certain ethical code is followed by all of our members while on the server. I don't even want to get into some of the issues this fine group of elected volunteers has had to deal with, but trust me when I tell you these email lines are monitored As Chris points out this discussion has probably seen its swan-song solet's start talking about when that veterans committee will finally vote in Mickey Lolich (Of course Linda will be pulling for Maris, Tom or Larry will pine for Conception, Gary - I think for Santo, etc...). I assure you, that "old fart" committee will screw it up again this year, just like they usually do but that will be a different debate. Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? BE WELL OBC. REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Massimo" Thanks for the post Earl. I am having fun with the debate and it is not my intention to make it personal or to insult anyone. If anyone has interpreted my posts as such, I apologize and will make a better effort to keep it to baseball. My intention is to debate the career of a Hall of Fame player and I am having fun seeing my points challenged and challenging other's points. Like Earl, said if you dont like it, delete and move on, just like I do when I see posts that I dont have an interest in. I dont think we want to go in the direction of monitering the content of posts unless they are offensive. ================= To: "Walker" , Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 05:19:05 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training Prediction Wars It would be swell to see the home-town heroes put together another competitive season. I also hope ticket prices do not take a dramatic hike, as the Tigers have been one of the best priced sports outings by far in this town. I hope they keep it that way. BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Walker" Ah yes, which is where we can start arguing if the Tigers are truly a great team with enough talent to repeat their fabulous season and dump the DY's once again, this time to face, and defeat, the Mets, or if it all was just smoke, mirrors and magic that Jimmy Leyland pulled out of his magical hat. "... ... ...Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? ----- Original Message ----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: Tom Massimo ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Ripken You and Carlos have carried on a very interesting and civil debate, some on the server have enjoyed the banter, others not so much. As I see it, Gary was acting as a "veteran" of the group who like myself have seen these debates turn ugly, he was "flashing the warning signs". I don't believe his remark was any more offensive than anything you or Carlos have had to say to one another, it was simply said in your best interest. You are relatively new and Carlos has been "out of the loop" while he was finishing school, we just don't want you guys to make the same mistakes that have been made in the past. As for monitoring the content of post, that is done on a regular basis. The OBCAC has regularly taken measures to insure that a certain ethical code is followed by all of our members while on the server. I don't even want to get into some of the issues this fine group of elected volunteers has had to deal with, but trust me when I tell you these email lines are monitored Tom. As Chris points out this discussion has probably seen its swan-song so let's start talking about when that veterans committee will finally vote in Mickey Lolich (Of course Linda will be pulling for Maris, Tom or Larry will pine for Conception, Gary - I think for Santo, etc...). I assure you, that "old fart" committee will screw it up again this year, just like they usually do but that will be a different debate. Just How Many Days Till Spring Training??? BE WELL OBC. REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tom Massimo" Thanks for the post Earl. I am having fun with the debate and it is not my intention to make it personal or to insult anyone. If anyone has interpreted my posts as such, I apologize and will make a better effort to keep it to baseball. My intention is to debate the career of a Hall of Fame player and I am having fun seeing my points challenged and challenging other's points. Like Earl, said if you dont like it, delete and move on, just like I do when I see posts that I dont have an interest in. I dont think we want to go in the direction of monitering the content of posts unless they are offensive. ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:45:09 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: N2 Sitting Bull Anybody have any idea what an N2 Sitting Bull in VG would be worth? I'm working on a trade that would include an E92 John McGraw in P/F. ================= To: "ant" , Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:58:00 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Re: 1977-78 topps hockey glossary update a.. Need with 1-* on the back #2(cheevers),7(lafluer),15(potvin),18(robinson),21(vachon) b.. Need with 2-** on the back#4(dionne),6(gillies),20(sittler) Have the following extra in mixed condition with 1-* #3,17,19, with 2-**1,3,7,8,9,12,15,17,18,19,22 ----- Original Message ----- From: ant To: obc rambling ; vct ; trading bases Cc: dugout thanks Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: 1977-78 topps hockey glossary Hello All, I have finished the set & discovered a variation on the back. So I am looking for them to complete both type sets. Below is my needs & dupes: any condition-1977/78 topps glossy...photo with signitures on a smaller card & back says 1977 topps. 22 card set a.. Need with 1-* on the back #2(cheevers),7(lafluer),11(martin),15(potvin),18(robinson),21(vachon),22(young) b.. Need with 2-** on the back#4(dionne),6(gillies),20(sittler) Have the following extra in mixed condition with 1-* #3,9,17,19,20 with 2-**1,3,7,8,9,12,15,17,18,19,22 Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 14:33:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: 1962 Green Tint scans Good morning all, For those of you curious about the 1962 Green Tints, I've spent the last week scanning them side-by-side with their non-green counterparts. In fact, I did the entire 2nd series, with the exception of #159 Reniff, which has no variation. Also included was the checklist variation, as well as the Willey cap/no cap versions. To see them, copy & paste this link: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tomhousley_2000/album?.dir/ae23re2&.view Happy Greenie hunting! ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:36:48 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: 1940 Play Ball Williams $135 Not sure how good of a deal this is, but if you're interested: (good eye appeal, back damage) http://www.wvshoeboxcards.com/whats_new.cfm Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 17:52:52 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Election Commissioner OBCers -- I should know this, but who ran the OBCAC Election last year - Gary, was it you? Anyway, whoever it was, please contact me and let me know if you are interested in doing it again this year. Of course, whoever runs it can not run for election... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:02:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables Available: From the 1947-66 Exhibit blankbacks set, Spahn and Sain, both with Boston Braves caps on. Condition somewhere in the area of "GVG", probably. Some creasing and corner wear, age coloring, but nothing that would prevent them from displaying nicely. Anybody want to give these guys a good home? Please include address if claiming. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 13:51:30 EST To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: 1972 Fleer Famous Feats help requested Hi all, After picking up a few from eBay, I now need 4 cards to finish off the 40-card 1972 Fleer Famous Feats set: 2, 15, 27, & 28. I do have a few to trade: 4, 13, 21, 24, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 & 40. All of these are in really nice shape except for 21, which looks like it's been to hell and back & then, while staggering out of the bowels of hell, got mugged on a seedy street corner, and a couple of others with small creases. Any heroes out there? Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 15:28:22 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Help! ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:22:30 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: Autographs...help needed.... Anyone knowledgeable about vintage baseball auto=92s? I admit I=92m not=85..if you are, could you please drop me a line, I=92d like to do some Thanks Grant No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.10/624 - Release Date: ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:57:08 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Friendly Wager OBCers -- Any Seahawks fans out there want to put down a friendly wager on the game? If the Bears win, you send me something, if the Seahawks win, I'll send you If any other Bears fans want to get in on it, that would be great too - just reply to the Ramblings server with whatever team you support - maybe we can get something fun going! All participants need to be in by kickoff time! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 14:00:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: eBay 3 points re eBay: 1) I would give a trusted seller a while before complaining. The post office can be hit or miss in my experience and even a month can go by with small packages before delivery. 2) New eBay policy of hiding bids/bidders above $200-yuck! What do you all think? I think it will increase shill bidding for sure. 3) Here's a lot that won't go for over $200 but of interest to OPC folk: Item number: 130065836406 Cheers all, ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 12:39:45 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Green Tint scans Nice job Tom! I thought I had the "green things" locked up years ago, but I did a review. I discovered some problems with my set, but also discovered a great trick that may help some of you: If you are really stumped between 2 similar cards, compare the wood grain (the card tops are easiest to compare). If the wood grains are different, then you have one regular and one green. Using this method, I found I had 2 "green" #149 Dulibas, and 2 "regular" #151 (In other words, I now need a regular Duliba #149, and a green Klippstein #151. And I have give-aways of green Duliba and regular Klippstein....any offers out there, I'm all ears!!) Also, I collect the Venezuelan variations when I can (I have two dozen or so). Every Venezuelan card is a regular version (even the wood grain matches). Reference Ken Morganti's question about checklist 3- the "no comma" isthe regular variation (my Venezuelan checklist 3 proves it with no comma). Ken- I would love to see a scan of the #159 Reniff "green" variation. Thanks for the assist, Tom. Marshall West ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 7:33 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Green Tint scans Good morning all, For those of you curious about the 1962 Green Tints, I've spent the last week scanning them side-by-side with their non-green counterparts. In fact, I did the entire 2nd series, with the exception of #159 Reniff, which has no variation. Also included was the checklist variation, as well as the Willey cap/no cap versions. To see them, copy & paste this link: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/tomhousley_2000/album?.dir/ae23re2&.view Happy Greenie hunting! ================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:40:01 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Friendly Wager In a message dated 1/14/2007 8:11:02 AM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: OBCers -- Any Seahawks fans out there want to put down a friendly wager on the game? If the Bears win, you send me something, if the Seahawks win, I'll send you If any other Bears fans want to get in on it, that would be great too - just reply to the Ramblings server with whatever team you support - maybe we can get something fun going! All participants need to be in by kickoff time! Take Care, Geno i'll take the bears by 3 in OT. just a hunch! ================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:34:11 EST To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: 1978 Topps Mystery I keep thinking that I am going to be embarassed by some obvious revelation, but I have 3 1978 cards that do not match the catalogue numbers they are supposed to have. They are: #8 should be Mike Sadek, my card is Don Gullett which should be card #225 #11 Rick Manning Rawley Eastwick #18 Bob Grich Lou Pinella Unless I am missing something the only thing I can think is that these are Why anyone would want to make a 10 cent phoney Rawley Eastwick I dont know. Could this be a strange variation? The only print difference that I see is that the red stitching on the ball on the front of each card is much finer than the regular 1978's. I would love to hear what I am missing? I would also be happy to scan these for anyone interested. Thanks, Bob Bannon ================= To: , Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:15:13 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Friendly Wager Great call Gary - Go Bears! ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Friendly Wager In a message dated 1/14/2007 8:11:02 AM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com OBCers -- Any Seahawks fans out there want to put down a friendly wager on the game? If the Bears win, you send me something, if the Seahawks win, I'll sendyou If any other Bears fans want to get in on it, that would be great too -just reply to the Ramblings server with whatever team you support - maybe wecan get something fun going! All participants need to be in by kickoff time! Take Care, Geno i'll take the bears by 3 in OT. just a hunch! ================= Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2007 17:55:50 EST To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: 78 mystery solved Well, I knew I would feel stupid. They are Burger King issues. I thought the BK cards had some BK designation on the back, but I guess not. Thanks for the responses. ================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 02:09:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Closing in on target AS many of you are aware and have been holding your breath in anticipation of my nearing my goal of having at least 300 vintage sets on my lists that I am collecting (Mike's definition of at lest 2 cards in the set) (not type cards, or sets I only wish I had cards from), I added yet another set at the card show today: 1972 Chiquita FB NFL Slides. Now I am sure you all know this is a small set of 13 double sided slides. I was able to get 6 of the double sided slides, so I am almost to a need instead of "have" list. I had to check my lists to see if I was already collecting a couple of sets or if today's acquisitions put me into that category. Alas, picking up the 1964 Bazooka Mantle, Mathews and Kaline put me at 18 stamps, hardly a new set. The 15 pick-ups to my 1977 Detroit Caesars Discs substantially add to the 4 I already had, but still nt a new set. I also moved 1 step closer to deleting a set, sa I got 1 of the last 2 stars and 1 of the last 5 cards for my 1953 Bowman FB set. Tittle and 3 commons needed to put this set to bed, not that #53 in 53 was acquired. Last week Chuck Paris sent me a pair of 69 Transograms. Today I added Torre, Gibson and Frank Robby, as that set shows progress. Another dealer had a stack of them, but the price was too Mark Talbot and I were busy replenishing our dupe boxes with cards from the 60s and early 70s, including 62, 64 & 65 Topps BB and 67 Philadelphia FB. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 09:25:03 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: 1962 Green Tint scans In a message dated Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:44 am ((PST)), "Marshall West" marshall@marshallwest.com writes: > Also, I collect the Venezuelan variations when I can (I have two dozen or > so). Every Venezuelan card is a regular version (even the wood grain > matches). Reference Ken Morganti's question about checklist 3- the "nocomma" is the > regular variation (my Venezuelan checklist 3 proves it with no comma). > Ken- I would love to see a scan of the #159 Reniff "green" variation. Tom has already uploaded a scan of it - it's the pitching pose which is ALSO numbered incorrectly (139). My guess is there were at least three print runs on that card: 1st printing: Reniff pitching - numbered 139 (green tint) 2nd printing: Reniff portrait - numbered 139 3rd printing: Reniff portrait - numbered 159 It took Topps three tries, but they finally got it right. My album has extra pages inserted among the second series cards for the green tints. Instead of moving all the cards so they're next to each other, they're across from each other in a separate page (which actually makes it easier to compare them, since there's an odd number of cards to a page). I have the Reniff pitching pose across from #159, even though the card itself is numbered 139 . The misnumbered portrait is at the back of the binder along with Tasby, Buhl and the first checklist. Thanks for clearing up the 3rd checklist mystery. Sorry if I confused you earlier with the Reniff, Ken M ================= To: "dugout thanks" , Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 11:37:24 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: check this error link Most interesting: http://www.rickswaine.com/memorabilia/error_cards.html ================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 18:14:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 2037 Hi all, Is anyone doing the superbowl pool? Happy Trading, ================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:27:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Super bowl pool #7! Since someone asked :) I'll be looking for participants in the OBC superbowl pool. I think I usually wait until after the Championship games, but if you know the drill and want in, feel free to email me now. A week from today I'll post the "rules" and the official call for participants. Go OBC Go Skins! er, ah, Pats! Yea, thats it, Go Pats! ================= To: "dugout thanks" , Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 21:57:59 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1970 fb #113 in need Hello All, I am in need of a several anycondition 1970 fb #113 card for something I a working. I have many dupes and also started a ex condition set if anyone wants to assist. Please check out my wants & dupes if interested in more than #113 http://www.beckett.com/userpages/AFA.html ================= Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:19:44 EST To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Availables (Trade Preferred) Hey gang: Well, my annual New Year's collecting refocus has come and gone and I continue to zero in on various Brooklyn Dodgers Team Sets. I am therefore suspending full set action on a number of Topps and Bowman sets and have a few groups to offer in trade. I go through this every year or two and usually end up narrowing my collecting focus to some degree. I am hoping I can swing a trade or two for Dodgers (Mets or Topps insert set needs as well) on my wantlist and can offer the following: 1953 Bowman Color-40 different, incl 2 nosebleeds (Schweib, Abrams) Tiptonish but they generally present well, all things considered 1953 Bowman B&W-24 different, similar condition to the Colors Also have a T222 Oldring I would grade fair-would love to trade for the T222 of Ruelbach or other Tobacco on my list. In addition, I have good sized groups of 68 Topps Players Poster, 69 Topps Team Posters, 73 Action Emblem (Cardboard) and smaller groupings (2 or 3 cards) of 69 Supers, 71 Greatest Moments, 74 Deckles and maybe a couple others to offer in trade. Except for the team posters, condition on these is VG-EX ish or better, the Action Emblems are close to NM. Looking to jumpstart my Brooklyns if at all possible, happy to send along scans. I am generally looking for intact cards that present well-I guess Tipton with an * is the best way to describe! My top wants would be Batter Ups, T207's and 62 Baseball Bucks (no list for that one yet, need 'em all!) right now but any help is appreciated. ================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 09:23:01 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: 5 years, 2 months and 17 days Hi all, The subject is the amount of time it took me to finally complete my 1961 Post cereal set. I know, some of you have probably been working on it for over 45 years, but I just don't have that kind of patience ;-) Until about a week ago, the wantlist (which hadn't changed much in probably two or three years) stood at just two cards - Stobbs and Estrada - the two toughest SP's. Then last week, I get an e-mail from SimsClassicSports about a super sale and happened to log in, probably to change my e-mail prefs, so I won't get bombarded with those notices. Weird part is that I wasn't subscribed to their newsletter, so how this notice got to me is somewhat of a mystery. Anyway, I decide to check out the sale, which included some 1961 Post cards. I took a look not expecting to find either one I needed, but was shocked to see a Stobbs offered - and for only 40 bucks! I frantically tried to log in and buy the card before it got scooped up by someone else. After a very harrowing four or five minutes, I finally got my login and password correct and bought the card, which I'll be waiting for on the front porch starting today. Now with this great find came somewhat bad news - besides still needing the Estrada card, I had already put in a rather strong bid on another Stobbs (PSA7) on eBay. To make matters slightly worse, the same seller had the Estrada (PSA6) which Peter Mead had the high bid on at 51 dollars. Not wanting to outbid Peter, I waited... and waited... three minutes left, still waiting... Finally, with less than two minutes left and after hitting the refresh button on my browser a half dozen times, I saw Peter's bid fall and placed a bid that held up over eight other last minute bids. The Stobbs was sniped from me with less than two minues to go also (after being high bidder for five days), so it worked out just like I planned... whew! I probably paid a little more for the Estrada than I originally planned, but I can always downgrade if I ever happen find one like I did the Stobbs. Plus, I know that Kent and Peter are probably happy I won't be outbidding them on the last two cards they need for their sets In other news, I booked a room in Cleveland for the Nationals already. Priceline accepted my lowball offer of $25/night and even upgraded me to a two star hotel that's less than five miles from the I-X Center: Homestead Studio Suites Hotel 24851 Country Club Blvd North Olmsted,Ohio44070 which is located just off I-480 (exit 6B I think). I'll be checking in the Tuesday before the show (7/31) and leaving the day after (8/6). Still not sure if the room has one bed or two or if it's a non-smoking room. I may have to wait until check-in to see about that, so I'm not looking for a roommate yet. far as the swap session is going, I was looking at the Play to Win Cafe (5100 Pearl Rd, Cleveland, 44129 - (216) 749-5549). I haven't made any calls or anything to see if we can book the place, but they do have a small functionroom and offer pizza parties. Seems like a good fit for our needs, but maybe oneof the locals can tell if it's in the middle of the red light district or a gang war zone (and/or make a call and get more details). I think we drove by it last time on our way out to eat at Applebee's ;-) (Inside joke for anyone who there in '04). For any OBC members interested in joining us in Cleveland this year, there's a yahoogroups server dedicated to the National Convention. You can read on past events, get tips and strategies on how to take in the show and share your hotel/contact info with the other OBC'es who are going. If you're not already subscribed, simply let me know and I'll add you to the list. This year show returns to Cleveland's I-X Center from August 1-5. The OBC swap session will be held on the traditional Saturday night Aug. 4th shortly after the show lets out. Hope to meet up with a bunch of you there. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 06:28:09 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Warwick, RI show? Hey New England OBCers, It occurs to me we've reached the January midpoint and nothing about the annual Warwick show came up. Is the show on this year? Beckett's calendar seems clueless (about this show specifically and perhaps in general). Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ================= To: Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 18:53:23 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: webpage problem OBCers -- I use CNN as my home page, but for some reason, it hasn't been coming up for the last three days. I don't remember changing anything, so why all of a sudden will a page like that not display? Everything else seems to work fine, including the CNN International webpage. Very strange...anybody have any ideas? Take Care, Geno ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:23:08 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: OBC website--still having problems? I am also having difficulties with the website. This is what I am getting what trying to access the directory Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Too many connections Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Lost connection to MySQL server during query I'm on a high speed network...so I don't think that's the problem. Any thoughts? Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip51 ================= To: , Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:35:17 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC website--still having problems? Mac -- My problem wasn't with the OBC website, although it has been running a bit slow Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC website--still having problems? I am also having difficulties with the website. This is what I am gettingwhat trying to access the directory Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Too many connections Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Lost connection to MySQL server during query I'm on a high speed network...so I don't think that's the problem. Any thoughts? Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip51 ================= To: , Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:46:36 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC website--still having problems? Mac -- I take it back - I just went there to look at the Rules of Conduct and it doesn't seem to be coming up for me... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC website--still having problems? I am also having difficulties with the website. This is what I am gettingwhat trying to access the directory Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Too many connections Error - Could not connect to host localhost: Lost connection to MySQL server during query I'm on a high speed network...so I don't think that's the problem. Any thoughts? Try amazing new 3D maps http://maps.live.com/?wip51 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 15:59:20 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC website--still having problems? In a message dated 1/16/2007 2:56:41 PM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: Mac -- I take it back - I just went there to look at the Rules of Conduct and it doesn't seem to be coming up for me... Take Care, Geno anarchy!!! yeah!!!! ================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:19:44 -0800 (PST) To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 5 years, 2 months and 17 days --- cardclctor@aol.com wrote: > I think we drove by it > last time on our way out to eat at Applebee's ;-) > (Inside joke for anyone who was > there in '04). As a person who was riding shotgun in one of the cars heading to Applebee's that evening, I seem to remember we passed by Erie, PA on the way there. And got passed twice by the car Sal was riding in during the Looking forward to another National this summer, after missing Anaheim last year. It looks like the only way to drag Ellen up to Cleveland is to make it the way back from Niagara Falls (and since the house from "A Christmas Story" is now open in Cleveland, Melissa's ready to take the trip!). But the next time the convention comes to Cleveland...I may have to get really creative in coming up with a way to convince Ellen to want to go back to Ohio. Chicago won't be a problem -- but Ellen isn't a big fan of Cleveland. There's Cedar Island, which will get Melissa stoked by then (she'll be 11 in 2010), but fortunately I have three years to come up with a good one for my wife. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 01:12:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: OBC Web Page Down? The OBC web site appears to be nonfunctioning. Does anyone know what to do? I get a message that says "Gateway Timeout". ================= Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 20:50:51 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: my guilty pleasure I know it's not very OBC, but the other day I bought a slabbed 1975 OPC. It cost me $1.25 for a PSA-8 Jim Slaton. I do like it and I'm not going to liberate it. It looks pretty cool to have at least one uncreased/torn/eaten/smudged card in my collection. I feel better confessing that I paid so much for what should be a ten cent 1975 common. ================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 16:56:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Re: OBC website--still having problems? I've noticed the site has been quite slow for the past couple days, and I often have to refresh or reload a page multiple times to get where I need to go (directory, rules, W/L update, etc). What gives? Do we need to contact our host provider and upgrade? --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > In a message dated 1/16/2007 2:56:41 PM Central Standard Time, > geno.wagner@... writes: > Mac -- > I take it back - I just went there to look at the Rules of Conduct and it > doesn't seem to be coming up for me... > Take Care, Geno > anarchy!!! yeah!!!! ================= Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 19:02:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Rehash of Topps 2001 Heritage cards & Satch & Josh on TV show I noticed some new packs of Topps cards called 2006 Rookies-Style of 1952 at my local card shop last weekend.The cards pictured on the box looked like nothing more than a copy or rehash of the 2001 Topps Heritage style of 52 cards.Has anyone else seen them?Also what are packs selling for in your area?$10 a pack is too rich for me. Anytime there is a mention of old baseball cards or players on a current tv show it is infrequent enough to mention.In an earlier post i mentioned the Ghost Whisperer show that had a story about the ghost of an old time ball player trying to get in the body of a high school player of the present and a binder with old cards featured in the I would like to mention another show of interest i saw a few weeks ago called Cold Case on CBS.The story was about a fictional character who was a young negro league player who was in a game with fellow negro league players vs. major league all-stars.The fictional game took place sometime in the 1940's.I didn't like the story of the show which had the young negro league player being hit with a bat and killed by the white batboy for the negro league team.The batboy "beaned" the young negro league player when he found out he was dating as white girl.And it turned out in the story the girlfriend was not white at all but passing for white. But the inane story was not what angered me but what did was the degrading portrayal of Satchel Paige.Actors portrayed Satchel Paige,Josh Gibson and Jackie Robinson in the show.The actors playing Gibson and Robinson did not have very big parts but the portrayal of Satch was very offensive.He was presented as a degrading and demeaning caricature of himself, an uncle tomming unfunny clown.As a result of the portrayal of Paige i wrote the network a complaining e- mail of this insult to who many believe (sorry, Tim) was the greatest pitcher of all time.- Linda ================= To: , Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 20:55:44 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Exhibit Card Issues Research - Year by Year variations I'm working on an article about collecting in 1947. (If any of you have recollections, I'd be interested in hearing from you. I was around in 1947 but was working on walking and talking instead of baseball cards just then.) I came across a pretty good summary of how the exhibit baseball cards were printed from 1939 to 1966. Now that I have a scanner, if you are interested in a copy of the 4-page "Penny Arcade" from 1992, let me know and I"ll email you one. George Vrechek ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2007 22:17:31 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1975 football team scedule checklist cards question I just saw these & wondering the price in vg/ex condition would be for eachcard? ANyones sp's? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings (OBC)) Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 05:23:58 +0000 From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: appreciations I received a very nice package from Ken today. In it was a check for a PayPal transaction I helped him with, along with a few pieces of cardboard. Yeah, just a few... '69 Topps (2) - Lamonica, Griese '70 Topps (1) - Alworth '72 Topps (2) - Greenwood, Manning '73 Topps (10) - including Mean Joe, Tatum, Floyd Little, Dierdorf, Garrison, Ted Hendricks '76 Topps (9) - including Lem Barney, Joe Ferguson, Tom Mack, John Zook, Swann, Franco Harris '77 Topps (26) - including Mike Webster, Bob Trumpy, Bleier, Otis Armstrong, Csonka '78 Topps (6) - Bradshaw, Robert Newhouse, Tarkenton, Lambert, Staubach, OJ '79 Topps (2) - David Whitehurst, Super Bowl XIII '80 Topps (3) - LC Greenwood, John Fitzgerald, '79 AFC Championship '65 Topps (3) - including a nosebleeder! Ken, thanks a bunch for a very welcome surprise. Been a tough coupla weeks, and old cardboard always makes any day better. ================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 20:21:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Waiver Wire Here's a bunch looking for good new homes. Don't be shy, but do include your address if making a waiver claim: 1960 Leaf, Stover McIlwain, #114 1974 Topps Randy Jones #173, Washington Variation 196? Fleet Baseball Greats #51 Dazzy Vance, #77 Pie Traynor 1955 Bowman TV's, #124 Antonelli, #115 Roger Bowman 1954 Bowman Willie Jones, #143 1956 Topps #82 Bill Renna 1965 Topps Embossed, #14 Al McBean 1974 Topps Team Checklists (Baseball) - 27 various, let me know which team you're looking for. Helmars: Primo Carnera, Kawakami tokyo, Percy Walker, billy Rogell, Brewer (Indy Negro League), Dalager Benton Harbor, J.Jackson Cleveland, Stanley Ketchel Have at 'em! ================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:08:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: 78 fleer football question Maybe a few of you out there know this, but I started collecting cards back in 1978. I have finished the 78 football set (A ton of dupes if anyone needs some, send me your list), and I am close to completing my second 78 baseball set. I can remember collecting the Fleer football cards in my youth, but lost those years ago. I have kept an eye out for lots on ebay or at shows, but have not seen much out there. I was just wondering if anyone can give me some info on this set, what it is worth, etc. I put a bid in on a set and was already outbid.Here is the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? Anyway, it currently sits at 11.50. Can anyone please give me some info. What can I expect this set to go for? Thanks http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 14:18:36 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBCNE: Warwick, RI show coming on February 3 Thanks to Bob Donaldson (and, uh, Mr. Mint), we have the info for Warwick, RI. February 3rd, 2007 "The 30th Annual Cranston Sports Collectors Show" West Valley Inn, W. Warwick, R.I. Tom McDonough, That's the Saturday before the Super Bowl. Should the Pats beat Indy this week, one can only imagine the main conversation topic. Who's available and interested in meeting up at the show? (If you want to carpool from the Boston area, let me know.) ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" To: Matthew Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 5:00:39 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Warwick, RI show? When in doubt, check with Mr Mint. http://www.mrmint.com/february_shows.html Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?linklist&sid396546091 ================= Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 19:18:55 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Heritage Slightly off topic guys and gals but if anyone is looking for a starter set of the '02 Heritage (the ones that look like 53's) please let me know. ================= To: "vct" , Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2007 22:20:30 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1976-77 hoops needs I started a second set & need a few: 1976-77 second set vg #1,2,3,8,10,13,16,21,23,25,26,29,30,31,32,36,39,44,45,47, 50,53,54,55,58,66,68,70,71,72.74,81,82,84,85,90,96,102,106,108, 109,111,112,113,115,119,123,124,126,127,130,138,140 I have vg up condition on avg dupes for trade: 1976-77 topps #5(unseld),12,15,18,27,33,34,35,46,25, 94(issel),62,92,104,117,120(hayes),128,129,132(barry),139,142 ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 03:54:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: 1939-1969 AVAILABLES (identical post on wantlist group) Well, I owe about half the group, so here is my desperate struggle to get "caught up" as much as I can at once. If you ever sent me anything, and I have not yet been able to make it up to you (which is most of you), here's your chance to grab a few. This is everything pre-70 that I have to offer: 1939 Play Ball 54 Harry Gumbert (Gumpert). 1954 Bowman 85 Jim Dyck. 1955 Bowman (all trimmed - no TVs to these cards at all) 38 50 75 76 80 83 90 113 314 316. 1957 Topps 28. 1958 Topps 379 381 412 416 435 466 469. 1959 Topps 18 256 (366 with ots of staple ation) 412 490- Frank 1961 Post 15 66 99 152 187. 1962 Topps 130. 1963 Topps 24 372. 1964 Topps 17 (35 Mathews "signed" and a pinhole at top) (198 I wouldn't call it creased, I would call it folded) 1966 Topps 21 45 49 51 56 69 170 173 188 213. 1967 Topps 8 11 34 40 47 67 95 97 101 137 157 286 298 316 344 360 366. 1967 Topps Posters 17 Bobby Knoop with lotsa tape stains. 1968 Topps 24 44 64 (192 CL with small burn hole in Yaz's cheek) 211 216 224 231 (261 paper loss on front) 270 277 309. 1969 Topps (14 water damage) 17 (24 several glue spots on back) 53 71 (76 several glue spots on back) 109 177 342 361 363 391 412 415 446 (528 bottom right trimmed). It's not much, but that's the oldest stuff I have. There are hundreds more from 1970 and later; perhaps that will come later. I've tried to mention the most obvious tiptonizations, but rest assured, there are plenty of other problems. If you have condition requirements, that may be why I haven't already sent them to ya. :) Anyway, let me know if you can use anything. There's a list of everyone I know that has sent me cards, at the bottom of my wantlist: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/ashirley.htm As I mentioned above, preference is given to the guys I owe, but even if you're not on that list, shoot me a note with some that you could use, alright? ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:50:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Waiver Wire Four more looking for a good home this morning. From the 1947-66 Exhibit set: Yogi (not Larry) Berra, Phil Rizzuto, Vic Raschi, Tom Henrich. Warning: Not for the condition-conscious. Scooter has some major corner wear. The other three have tape residue. Can't beat the price, Anybody want to give them a good home? ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:50:35 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Bears - Saints wager OBCers -- OK, I was a bit late last week for the Bears/Seattle matchup, so this week I'm starting earlier. Here's the rules if interested: 1) Email Ramblings to say you are in and whether you are taking the Bears or the Saints. 2) I'll make a list of each side and post it around game time. 3) If you are on the losing side (straight up, no points given), you have to send EVERY winner a card. Many of us have tough lists, so obviously you may not be able to hit the person's list - just send them something 4) If you are on the winning side, just sit back and gloat while waiting for Sean's Super Bowl poll... In case you haven't guessed, I'll be the first one in on the Bears side - the ghost of George Halas will be behind Grossman like that Angels in the Outfield movie... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 15:20:24 -0500 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager Out of respect for you & all US Service Men & Women, I have decided not to root for da Bears. The last time I rooted for an arch-rival, OSU, they got their butts kicked. So sign me up for the Saints. Now I have to go check your's and Gary's lists. We keep what we give away! ================= To: geno.wagner Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 16:02:54 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager Sign me up for the Saints. Note to Geno, I like t202's. > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:50:35 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager > OBCers -- > OK, I was a bit late last week for the Bears/Seattle matchup, so this week > I'm starting earlier. Here's the rules if interested: > 1) Email Ramblings to say you are in and whether you are taking the Bears > or the Saints. > 2) I'll make a list of each side and post it around game time. > 3) If you are on the losing side (straight up, no points given), you have > to send EVERY winner a card. Many of us have tough lists, so obviously you > may not be able to hit the person's list - just send them something > interesting. > 4) If you are on the winning side, just sit back and gloat while waiting > for Sean's Super Bowl poll... > In case you haven't guessed, I'll be the first one in on the Bears side - > the ghost of George Halas will be behind Grossman like that Angels in the > Outfield movie... > Take Care, Geno Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 00:19:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Re: Bears - Saints wager My son says "da Bears"... since he only missed 1 game last week (hometown Ravens dedication must have thrown off his football radar!!).. I'm sticking with him... Go Bears! Brian Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Mac Wubben wrote: > Sign me up for the Saints. > Note to Geno, I like t202's. > Mac > ________________________________ > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > From: geno.wagner@... > > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:50:35 +0000 > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager > > > > OBCers -- > > OK, I was a bit late last week for the Bears/Seattle matchup, so this week > > I'm starting earlier. Here's the rules if interested: > > 1) Email Ramblings to say you are in and whether you are taking the Bears > > or the Saints. > > 2) I'll make a list of each side and post it around game time. > > 3) If you are on the losing side (straight up, no points given), you have > > to send EVERY winner a card. Many of us have tough lists, so obviously you > > may not be able to hit the person's list - just send them > > interesting. > > 4) If you are on the winning side, just sit back and gloat while > > for Sean's Super Bowl poll... > > In case you haven't guessed, I'll be the first one in on the Bears side - > > the ghost of George Halas will be behind Grossman like that Angels in the > > Outfield movie... > > Take Care, Geno > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. > http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx? ================= To: obcmac@hotmail.com, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:43:37 -0500 From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager da Bears since 1963 -----Original Message----- From: obcmac@hotmail.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 3:02 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager Sign me up for the Saints. Note to Geno, I like t202's. > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com > Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 19:50:35 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints wager > OBCers -- > OK, I was a bit late last week for the Bears/Seattle matchup, so this week > I'm starting earlier. Here's the rules if interested: > 1) Email Ramblings to say you are in and whether you are taking the Bears > or the Saints. > 2) I'll make a list of each side and post it around game time. > 3) If you are on the losing side (straight up, no points given), you have > to send EVERY winner a card. Many of us have tough lists, so obviously you > may not be able to hit the person's list - just send them something > interesting. > 4) If you are on the winning side, just sit back and gloat while waiting > for Sean's Super Bowl poll... > In case you haven't guessed, I'll be the first one in on the Bears side - > the ghost of George Halas will be behind Grossman like that Angels in the > Outfield movie... > Take Care, Geno Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=wlmemailtaglinenov06 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 01:53:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Still Looking for a good home Still got these looking for a good home. Dont' be shy! 1947-66 Exhibit: Yogi (not Larry) Berra, Phil Rizzuto, Vic Raschi, Tom Henrich. Warning: Not for the condition-conscious. Scooter has some major corner wear. The other three have tape residue. Can't beat the price, though! 196? Fleer Baseball Greats #77 Pie Traynor 1955 Bowman TV's, #124 Antonelli, #115 Roger Bowman, #24 Al Aber 1956 Topps #82 Bill Renna 1974 Topps Team Checklists (Baseball) - 24 various, let me know which team you're looking for. Helmars: Primo Carnera, Kawakami tokyo, Billy Rogell, Brewer (Indy Negro League), Dalager Benton Harbor, J.Jackson Cleveland, Stanley Ketchel ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:07:27 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Trimmed 1952's for grabs I came across these 6 beauties in a card shop, and just had to offer them Topps 1952: 108--Jim Konstanty Phillies 140-- John Antonelli Braves 132-- Clyde Kluttz Senators 162--Del Crandall Braves (Blank Back???) 169--Howie Judson White Sox 178-- Cass Michaels Senators All of these are trimmed the same, all white boarders are cut off then each card was cut off of each corner, like a stretched out octagon. Anyone know about blank back 52's. It doesn't look like it was glued, or the back just ripped off, due to the fact that the back is the same "cream" color as other Anyway let me know if anyone wants them. John Leroux ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:29:23 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Superbowl Pool? Hi all, Is someone running the Superbowl pool this year? I may be a little late in asking this Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: "vct" , Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 21:51:48 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: beckett.com web page error? Hello All, I have been trying to get on it & it shows that is is gone? I have my tradepage on it & is lost with out it & can not update anything. Is anyone else having trouble finding the site? It would be a crushing blowif I lost my trade page with all the stuff I need ================= Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2007 22:55:00 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Trimmed 52's update.. Down to two that haven't been claimed as of now. 108 and 178 ================= To: "vct" , Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:47:54 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: white plains card show sunday I know of the following which may be there: Pete Panelli (tb) Kevin Martens (every group) I know some are there today. Whom else? My cell: 718 594-0830 Hope not to run out of $ this time Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 14:48:50 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll for the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:58:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken M" Subject: Re: Bears - Saints Matchup As much as it pains this diehard Pats fan to say it, the Saints are going to win it all - too much karma on their side. Therefore, in an effort to even up the OBC betting list, I'm going to jump on the Saints side for this pool. (BTW Kevin, Sean McGowan is running the OBC Superbowl pool again this year - he's taking "pre-sells" right now, so contact him within the next week or so). I was thinking about running a Pats-Colts pool, but realized kinda late for that, plus there's no way the Pats are going all the way. There, now (since none of my predictions ever come true) I think I've officially cursed the Saints and Colts in one e-mail Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > OBCers -- > There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: > Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak > Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman > Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have > anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). > Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll for > the Pretty Boy Conference... > Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:10:36 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bears - Saints Matchup I'll take Ken's Saints curse anytime! You're in on the enemy's side, my friend! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken M To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 3:58 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bears - Saints Matchup As much as it pains this diehard Pats fan to say it, the Saints are goingto win it all - too much karma on their side. Therefore, in an effort to even up the OBC betting list, I'm going to jump on the Saints side for this pool. (BTW Kevin, Sean McGowan is running the OBC Superbowl pool again this year - he's taking "pre-sells" right now, so contact him within the next week or so). I was thinking about running a Pats-Colts pool, butrealized kinda late for that, plus there's no way the Pats are going all the way. There, now (since none of my predictions ever come true) I think I've officially cursed theSaints and Colts in one e-mail Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > OBCers -- > There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: > Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak > Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman > Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have > anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). > Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar pollfor > the Pretty Boy Conference... > Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 09:18:17 -0500 To: Wantlist OBC , From: Don Rice Subject: More Availables... take my cards, PLEASE Extra cards still hanging around my desktop... many (but not all) of these have been previously offered on the waiver wire ... and yes, I have added a bunch. They're relisted here for those who weren't paying attention or just didn't have the energy to respond :-). As always, I would really like to move these into OBC Land, so please don't be bashful if you need anything here. As always, nothing expected in return, so don't be bashful! To make things simple, please include your address. Thanks, Don Available for the asking.... 1963 Topps: 330 (for some reason I have a TON of these Chuck Hinton cards) 1964 Topps Giant: 58-Santo 1970 Topps: 29 32 102 115 165 222 234 239 242 335 337 345 346 361 376 397 406 407 430 541 1971 Topps: 3 4 9 12 17 22 25 27 32 37 38 42 44 45 50 84 89 90 91 106 114 128 140 148 153 167 171 188 203 274 279 280 281 288 312 315 355 363 388 456 730 1972 Topps: 2 6 9 14 16 24 32 39 42 46 47 57 58 68 74 111 114 123 124 126 151 178 183 213 253 257 331 353 366 394 1973 Topps: 8 13 17 29 33 57 90 99 157 195 198 214 244 327 391 396 398 402 405 407 408 416 417 418 423 426 427 428 441 445 452 454 456 457 458 465 466 469 489 491 495 496 499 501 504 510 511 512 513 521 523 558 578 584 599 1974 Topps: 9 12 17 21 27 34 37 39 41 43 46 51 53 104 189 195 270 432 472 578 589 594 614 23T 313T 330T 458T 1975 Topps: 125 416 609 644 645 1976 Topps: 1 2 34 40 47 64 74 75 80 82 101 105 126 152 157 162 163 180 183 187 198 207 219 221 226 237 254 263 266 267 276 278 281 287 298 299 301 308 311 313 315 322 323 324 326 327 332 334 336 339 340 353 354 364 366 368 372 374 375 378 382 385 388 393 394 399 407 408 438 442 444 469 472 482 490 506 507 508 517 518 522 541 552 553 566 568 583 589 597 600 604 612 623 630 637 639 649 654 250T 1977 Topps: 74 152 392 507 527 559 608 1978 Topps: 1 3 15 20 34 80 154 157 187 205 206 211 250 311 330 436 461 585 646 703 704 709 720 1979 Topps: 3 6 20 100 110 124 200 241 411 417 418 483 548 595 653 660 700 2005 Helmar: Dalager Deal Youngs 1969-70 TOPPS BK: 17 22 34 36 41 51 58 70 1970-71 Topps BK: 45 1976-77 Topps BK: 5-Unseld (Ex+) 1979-80 Topps BK: 3 4 6 28 67 73 1971 Topps FB Game inserts (writing on borders): 1 46 1972 Topps FB: 24 44 51 73 82 87 92 129 194 216 224 245 259 1973 Topps FB: 42 202 1976 Topps FB: 10 26 444 1976 Topps Wonder Bread FB: 5 1977 Topps FB: 3 46 65 118 173 274 386 480 509 1978 Topps FB (mostly NrMt): 13 17 18 20 21 22 26 31 33 41 47 49 52 54 62 64 67 71 76 77 83 88 94 99 102 112 114 115 119 123 127 128 130 137 140 153 158 162 176 178 183 186 187 191 195 197 201 207 210 213 232 235 241 252 255 267 276 278 282 284 288 293 299 301 303 313 338 342 343 346 347 352 353 357 358 360 361 364 366 369 373 375 378 380 381 382 384 387 392 393 394 396 399 405 408 410 413 414 420 423 424 427 430 433 439 440 441 443 444 445 448 449 452 453 454 455 457 459 461 462 466 473 475 476 479 482 486 497 1079 Topps FB: 2 38 48 57 113 123 172 305 319 331 409 429 435 436 440 453 456 462 526 Don Rice on-line WL: http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice/ ============================================== ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:34:31 +0000 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Bears and Saints My friends, Put me in for the Saints, if you do not mind! Be happy, John Scott Gray OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll for the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 15:51:24 EST To: senthi@earthlink.net, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains card show sunday I hope to be there tomorrow. Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:08:16 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Card shop trip and DS offer Hi gang, Before I begin the rambling part of this e-mail, I'm in the market for some Rico Petrocelli cards. Rico is coming to my high school next month to meet and greet alumni at some fundraising event - which I will not be attending at any price. However, there is some sort of silent auction at this thing and I thought it might be cool to donate a run of Rico's cards (1965-1977) that he could sign. Right now I only have the 1969 (only because I bought it today), so if anyone has any others, I'd appreciate them. The postman rang the doorbell and apologized for waking me up all the time. I assured him it's not a problem, especially when he's handing over a 1961 Post Chuck Stobbs that I found for $40. It's better than leaving a $600 package on the front porch over the weekend, like what happened last month. He ran off before I had a chance to look through the letters. For the first time in a week, there WASN'T a letter from Mac Wubben. It was kinda disappointing, but my day was going to turn out a lot better. I put the Stobbs into the binder and took a nap, which turned out to be rather short. My phone rang at almost noon. Normally I don't answer it because it's a telemarketer or someone who doesn't realize I've been working overnights (for only the last twenty years) and sleep during the day. Since the answering machine is next to my bed, I usually screen the calls (non-telemarketers) that bother to leave a message in sort of a half slumber. Today's message was from my friend Steve Olsen, who apparently had just gotten home from a trip to the card shop. "Ken, there's a Nolan Ryan rookie card at 'Slapshot' for 50 bucks..." This is where I picked up the phone and shut the answering machine off - I was awake now. Steve explained the situation to me again and also said there was another box of beat up vintage I should probably take a look through as well. On the way up to the shop, I stopped at 'Sportsworld', which is the card shop that used to be located in Everett, but moved to a bigger location on Route 1 many months ago. However, it was the first time I wasn't driving by at 60 MPH urgently on my way to somewhere else, so I decided to check out the new digs. Well, the store is a lot nicer and there's plenty of room to move around compared to the old store, but the pricing is still way too high. I purchased a total of two cards for $8, only one of which I actually needed and left. I looked around the second shop for a little bit and didn't find anything in the showcase worth a closer inspection. (Most of the stuff that I needed in the showcases was waaay too nice and too expensive for my taste). I asked to see the Ryan (Steve had called back two minutes after I hung up with him and told me he called the shop and had them hold it for me). It had rounded corners, a couple creases and three holes in it (two probably from a staple and one from a pin when the staple didn't work - or vice versa). A tipton beauty if I ever saw one. I then asked if the shop owner had anything in similar or worse shape. He produced a box that had mostly 1969-1971 cards in it, but there were a few older ones scattered about. I pulled ten 1956's for my set including Gilliam and Sauer, a tiptonized 1970 Yaz AS, a 1953 Topps high number Yankee, a 1959 high, all five of the 1958's he had (none of which I ended up needing) and a half dozen 1969 white letter variations. The last card I added to the pile was a 1969 Bobby Bonds RC. The owner looked up a few of the cards, but couldn't find prices on the white letter variations. "Fifty for the Ryan... $100 total." "Hmmm.... I'll put back the Bonds card." (After putting the card back in numerical order) "OK, $65". I guess that Bonds RC is rather pricey! Is it worth more because it's sorta like Barry's pre-pre RC? So, is anyone in need of a $50 Ryan rookie? I'll list the other stuff in a soon to be released availables e-mail. Look for that in a couple days, since I still need to sort out some of the cards that I've been gathering. I'll list ALL the WL cards I currently have dupes of now, in case anyone wants to offer me a bribe for one/all of them ;-) TAYL, Ken M 1969 Topps WL: 452 461 471 476 482 486 491 493 505 ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 17:05:10 EST To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card shop trip and DS offer I am still looking for a Koosman Rookie to finish the set :-) J/K ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:01:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Patriots-Colts Pool What the heck we might as well keep the evening game exciting too!! Same rules as Geno's pool--- Let's see...I'm from the Baltimore area...who should I pick...Hmmmmmmm.... GO PATS!!! Brian (and Eric!!) Betza Any Colts takers?????.... ================= To: b_betza , Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:10:07 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Patriots-Colts Pool I really want the Colts to win, so naturally I will bet on the Patriots. That way, I will win either way. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: b_betza@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 00:01:55 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Patriots-Colts Pool What the heck we might as well keep the evening game exciting too!! Same rules as Geno's pool--- Let's see...I'm from the Baltimore area...who should I pick...Hmmmmmmm....GO PATS!!!Brian (and Eric!!) BetzaAny Colts takers?????.... Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 19:20:33 -0500 To: b_betza@yahoo.com (b_betza) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Patriots-Colts Pool I gotta go with the Pats as well! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 21:14:07 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card shop trip and DS offer In a message dated 1/20/07 5:05:10 PM, LUURSCJG writes: > I am still looking for a Koosman Rookie to finish the set :-) J/K When I first joined OBC, that was the last card I needed for the 1968 set - and that's how I had it listed too. Funny story with that as well - the last one I bought around here for $50 I had Koosman sign at one of the Ft. Washington shows. As I waited in line, the father and son in front of me had one of those UV reprint cards that Topps had just put out. I overheard one of them say, "Imagine if some one had a REAL rookie card to sign?" So I interjected, mean like this one here?" and showed them my card. They were either pretty impressed or outright shocked that someone would be crazy enough to have someone write on a $1500 card (at the time), although mine wasn't in the best of shape, especially considering I was only into it for the aforementioned fifty bucks. When I finally got to the head of the line, Jerry takes a good look at card, turning it over a couple times and says, "Well, this is the first Real McCoy I've seen all day." After he signed it, he handed it back to me saying, "You know, this card wouldn't be worth a quarter if my picture wasn't on it." which drew laughs from everyone within earshot. I still have the card in my second set. Someday I hope to get that other guy to sign it, but if I ever get the chance, I'm sure it'll cost a lot more than the 'one free with your $5 admission' like Koosman's was. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 22:02:52 EST To: Originaleek@webtv.net, b_betza@yahoo.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Patriots-Colts Pool Okay, well I want the Pats to win...................... so I'll take the Colts against all of you!!!! ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 03:31:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Rick Johnson" Subject: Koosman Rookie card (Trivia Quiz) I heard the ramblings tonight dealing with the Jerry Koosman rookie card. Toward the end of his career Jerry Koosman owned a nice restaurant and bar in the town I grew up in, Morris Minnesota. He had a trophy case in the restaurant that included his rookie card (which happened to have another guy named Nolan Ryan on it as well). Well the discussion tonight caused me to travel down memory lane (cardboard has a way of doing that doesn't it). Jerry Koosman isn't the only player to share his rookie card with someone that ultimately made the price of their rookie card go higher than the lesser known star might have wanted to someday pay to get his own rookie card. In this trivia quiz I will give you the name of the lesser known players on a rookie card and see if you can remember the bigger star. Are you up for the challange? I will start with one nonvintage card and then work back into cardboard from the early 60's when this all began. Example: I give you the name Jerry Koosman and you have to think of who he shared the card with (Nolan Ryan) #1. Bob Bonner and Jeff Schneider (hint 1982) #2. Mickey Klutts and U.L. Washington (give two stars on the same card from 1979) #3. Marc Hill, Leon Roberts, Danny Meyer (1975) #4. Ron Cey and John Hilton (1973) #5. Mike Garman and Cecil Cooper (1972) #6. Tom Paciorek (name two future managers that were pretty good babllplayers as well 1971) #7. Dave McDonald (1970) #8. Bob Floyd and Larry Burchart (1969) #9. Jerry Koosman (1968) #10. Ron Tompkins (1968) #11. Bill Denehey (1967) #12. Hank Allen (1967) #13. Bill Singer (1966) #14. Bill Sorrell (1966) #15. Fritz Ackley (1965) #16. Kevin Collins and Dave Ricketts (1965) #17. Rene Lachemann, Johnny "Blue Moon" Odom and Skip Lockwood (1965) #18. Phil Roof (1964) #19. Pedro Gonzalez, Ken McMullen and Al Weis (1963) I would love to have dupes of this McMullen rookie if you know what I mean!! #20. Brock Davis, Jim Gosger and John Herrnstein (1963) #21. Dick Egan, Julio Navarro and Tommy Sisk (1963) #22. Doc Edwards, Ken Retzer, Don Pavletich and Doug Camilli (think ok, if any of are still with me here are two bonus questions. 1. Which hall of famer had a regular baseball card one year followed by a rookie card that he had to share with 3 other players the following year? (hint: think 1962 and 1963) 2. Which player and now manager had to share a split picture rookie card on three different occasions in the 60's all with different teams? If you can name the player and the teams then you are truly a cardboard addict!! (hint: he shared a card with Mike Brumley in 1964, Richie Schienblum in 1968 and Marv Staehle in 1969. 1. Cal Ripken 2. Alan Trammell and Paul Molitor 3. Gary Carter 4. Mike Schmidt 5. Carlton Fisk 6. Dusty Baker and Don Baylor 7. Thurman Munson 8. Rollie Fingers 9. Nolan Ryan 10. Johnny Bench 11. Tom Seaver 12. Rod Carew 13. Don Sutton 14. Fergie Jenkins 15. Steve Carlton 16. Tony Perez 17. Jim "Catfish" Hunter to go along with Johnny "Blue Moon" Odom 18. Phil Niekro 19. Pete Rose 20. Willie Stargell 21. Gaylord Perry 22. Bob Uecker Bonus #1. Gaylord Perry Bonus #2. Lou Piniella had a rookie (split) card with the Senators in 1964, Indians in 1968 and Pilots in 1969. Hope the cardboard memories are flowing again!! Rick Johnson ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 05:46:38 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Game of My Life OBCers -- I'm passing along an OBC book called "Game of My Life" by Lew Freedman if anybody would like it. It features about 30 Chicago Bears players from Butkus/Ditka era up to Urlacher and asks them to talk about one game that sticks out in their memory. If you are interested in it, let me know! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 01:23:57 EST To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card shop trip and DS offer This is why we collect. Stories Priceless ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 06:38:07 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Pats - Colts Brian -- I think this game is a toss-up, with the Pats small advantages equalled by the Colts home field. But, since the Pats beat the Bears this season, they must be ok! Besides, we all know what happens in Bears-Patriots Super Bowls (man, I live in the past!), so I want to see that again...I'll take the Patriots on the AFC side... Take Care, Geno ================= To: "geno.wagner" Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 07:27:47 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup I think the Saints are going to win this one Geno, but if I'm wrong it will have to be creative because T-202's are simply not in my possession (damn, that impossible list of yours). ;-) BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "geno.wagner" OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll for the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 08:34:50 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: White plains show Hello all Yesterday I went to the show at white plains. I was a little disappointed there wasn't much great vintage deals. I was there for about an hour and 1/2 and only picked a couple 55 bowmans for my 2nd set. I was ready to leave and a dealer whom i do alit of business from was making a transaction with some poor guy getting ripped off by a dealer. I listen to what he takes which is $50. So I immediately go to Jimmy and say can I look, I go through the cards and he says I have to double my money at least Rob. SO I offer him $100 he says Deal. Now I go through the lot and this is what's inside 53 Topps 35 1953 topps cards and I needed 33 of them and Yogi Berra was one of the hits 54 bowman 13 Cards but only 2 hits but all were upgrades 55 topps 10 cards overall and 3 hits 56 topps 25 cards overall 8 hits but several upgrades 58 topps 3 hits including a yellow letter 59 topps 10 cards overall with 5 hits including willie mays With in 5 minutes of the deal another dealer came to me and offered me $125 for the lot, but i figured the 53s' alone were worth that much maybe more some were in real nice shape and I haven't seen the 53's go fun under $3 at shows unless they were mangled. I was disappointed at first then happy at the end of the show. All for all other than that deal there wasn't that much of a Great selection of Vintage Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:55:28 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Bears - Saints Update OBCers -- Here's the latest sides: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot Looks like we could use some more Bears fans!! You still have five hours to pick a side! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll for the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:06:34 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update Well, I think they will have to outplay their ability but I'll take the Bears to help even up the sides. Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 15:24:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Pats-Colts Update Is it me?? Doesn't anyone care about the AFC anymore? Patriots: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK Colts: Bob Bannon Let me know if I missed anyone... Lots of time 'till kickoff.... let's not leave Bob all by himself!! Even if you don't much care it's a good excuse to get some cardboard ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:27:36 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: ?????? 72 football Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 footballchecklist - card # 29 Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for sure ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 11:04:10 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update Count me in on the Colts side! Jim Beauchemin ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update Is it me?? Doesn't anyone care about the AFC anymore? Patriots: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK Colts: Bob Bannon Let me know if I missed anyone... Lots of time 'till kickoff.... let's not leave Bob all by himself!! Even if you don't much care it's a good excuse to get some cardboard ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:49:49 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update Geno: Put me down for the Bears !! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; geno.wagner Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update OBCers -- Here's the latest sides: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot Looks like we could use some more Bears fans!! You still have five hoursto pick a side! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar pollfor the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:01:34 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update I'll jump in--the degenerate gambler in me can's stay away. Put me on the side of the Colts and the Saints--that should be good news for you Bears and Pats fans. > Is it me?? Doesn't anyone care about the AFC anymore? > Patriots: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK > Colts: Bob Bannon > Let me know if I missed anyone... > Lots of time 'till kickoff.... let's not leave Bob all by himself!! > Even if you don't much care it's a good excuse to get some cardboard > flying! > Brian ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:01:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: 1953 Topps Variations Content-Language: en OK gang-research time! I am working on a piece and trying to suss out the 1953 Topps White Letter/Black letter variations. Cards from 86-165 have the players vital stats printed in either color on the back of the card. Also included in this run the five withheld cards from series one (#=E2=99s 10, 44, 61, 72 and 81). Now, can the five cards withheld from series two (#=E2=99s 94, 107, 131, 145 and 156) until the third series also be found this way? I think they can but I do not have any of them so if anyone knows, please let me know. Presumably, the vital stats for the entire run other than series one were intended to be white (based upon my own collection looking at cards above #165) once series two switched from black to white. Is that right? Any help is appreciated. ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 12:29:52 -0500 From: "Joel E. Freedman" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update I will take the Patriots. -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Beauchemin Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:04 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; b_betza Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update Count me in on the Colts side! Jim Beauchemin ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@ Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update Is it me?? Doesn't anyone care about the AFC anymore? Patriots: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK Colts: Bob Bannon Let me know if I missed anyone... Lots of time 'till kickoff.... let's not leave Bob all by himself!! Even if you don't much care it's a good excuse to get some cardboard ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 13:07:19 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Variations All five of those cards - 94 107 131 145 156, all are printed in white ink on the back. ----- Original Message ----- From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Variations OK gang-research time! I am working on a piece and trying to suss out the 1953 Topps White Letter/Black letter variations. Cards from 86-165 have the players vital stats printed in either color on the back of the card. Also included in this runare the five withheld cards from series one (#=E2=99s 10, 44, 61, 72 and Now, can the five cards withheld from series two (#=E2=99s 94, 107, 131, 145 and 156) until the third series also be found this way? I think they can but I do not have any of them so if anyone knows, please let me know.Presumably, the vital stats for the entire run other than series one wereintended to be white (based upon my own collection looking at cards above #165) once series two switched from black to white. Is that right? Any help is appreciated. ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:08:37 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: 2007 - Set Recommendations I am soliciting advice on new sets to collect. I decided to add a set for every two sets I complete. I anticipate completing a number of sets this year, and I will realistically add four to five sets this year. There are two sets I will eventually add from the Bowman / Fleer / Topps offerings - 53 Topps and 55 Bowman. I will also add a number of non sport sets as I complete sets. Here is where I need your assistance. I am looking for candidate sets. My parameters are as follows: no Topps / Fleer / Bowman sets as I have finished the sets I am interested in completing. My collecting allowance is about $50 - 100 / month. I would really be interested in 50's / 60's regional sets and pre-50's sets. Given the current number of sets I have, I would generate another 17 wantlists given the 2 for 1 rule. Here are the candidates I have come up with thus far. Are they realistic? 1. 33 Goudey (less Lajoie) 2. 34 Goudey 3. 35 Goudey 4. 34-36 Diamond Stars 7. T220 (boxing) 8. E75 (boxing) 9. N31 (AG dudes) 10. N3 (AG Weapons) 11. T68 (Men of History) 12. T69 (Homes) 13. T70 (Historical Events) 14. T77 (Fables) 15. N224 (Kinney Military) 16. Catchers (in gear) Erik Greenwood ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:24:47 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2007 - Set Recommendations T202 or T205!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2007 - Set Recommendations I am soliciting advice on new sets to collect. I decided to add a set forevery two sets I complete. I anticipate completing a number of sets this year, and I will realistically add four to five sets this year. There are two sets I will eventually add from the Bowman / Fleer / Topps offerings - 53 Topps and 55 Bowman. I will also add a number of non sport sets as I complete sets. Here is where I need your assistance. I am looking for candidate sets. My parameters are as follows: no Topps / Fleer / Bowman sets as I have finished the sets I am interested in completing. My collecting allowance is about $50 - 100 / month. I would really be interested in 50's / 60's regional sets and pre-50's sets. Given the current number of sets I have, I would generate another 17 wantlists given the 2 for 1 rule. Here are the candidates I have come up with thus far. Are they realistic? 1. 33 Goudey (less Lajoie) 2. 34 Goudey 3. 35 Goudey 4. 34-36 Diamond Stars 5. T200 6. T201 7. T220 (boxing) 8. E75 (boxing) 9. N31 (AG dudes) 10. N3 (AG Weapons) 11. T68 (Men of History) 12. T69 (Homes) 13. T70 (Historical Events) 14. T77 (Fables) 15. N224 (Kinney Military) 16. Catchers (in gear) Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:30:49 -0800 (PST) To: b_betza From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats-Colts Update I'm with Neal. Colts vs. Saints in Super Bowl b_betza wrote: Is it me?? Doesn't anyone care about the AFC anymore? Patriots: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK Colts: Bob Bannon Let me know if I missed anyone... Lots of time 'till kickoff.... let's not leave Bob all by himself!! Even if you don't much care it's a good excuse to get some cardboard 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:38:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Proof that dealers get cards for a song only i don't like the music! < In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, DaPatriot1@... wrote: I was ready to leave and a dealer whom i do alit of business from was making a transaction with some poor guy getting ripped off by a dealer. I listen to what he takes which is $50. So I immediately go to Jimmy and say can I look, I go through the cards and he says I have to double my money at least Rob. SO I offer him $100 he says Deal. Now I go through the lot and this is what's inside 53 Topps 35 1953 topps cards and I needed 33 of them and Yogi Berra was one of the hits 54 bowman 13 Cards but only 2 hits but all were upgrades 55 topps 10 cards overall and 3 hits 56 topps 25 cards overall 8 hits but several upgrades 58 topps 3 hits including a yellow letter 59 topps 10 cards overall with 5 hits including willie mays With in 5 minutes of the deal another dealer came to me and offered me $125 for the lot, but i figured the 53s' alone were worth that much maybe more some were in real nice shape and I haven't seen the 53's go fun under $3 at shows unless they were mangled. Rob "The Fireman" Gioia> This proves what i have been saying all along-Dealers rip off unsuspecting sellers and get cards for a song only i don't like the music these guys are playing! If you hadn't been there and seen what the dealer paid i am sure he would charge $3 up for the 53's and who knows how much for the other I am sure the local dealers who sell lower grade vintage here do exactly the same thing.The dealers all rip off unsuspecting guys selling their cards for pennies on the dollar then mark them up and make huge profits. I was at a party where friend of mine's husband was bragging recently his stocks increased 20% in value and he said that it sure beats bank interest of 4 to 5 % a year. I said 20% is nothing; become a scumbag baseball card dealer and rip off sellers and pay pennies for cards then sell them at 500 to 1000% Forget the stock market,become a baseball card dealer- Buy 53 topps for 25 to 50 cents each and mark them up to $5 or more.Rob mentions that 53 topps cost $3 there.They go for $5 up here and the $5 ones have many creases.They can be $10 or more for nice condition ones at shows.-And the dealers probably pay even LESS for them here-maybe 10 to 15 cents a card!-Linda ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 10:47:04 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: dealers nobody forces anyone to sell the cards. you can only be ripped off if you allow it. being on both sides, I don't side up either way. a dealer has expenses too don't forget ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:52:00 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Bears - Saints Update II Here's what I have an hour before kickoff: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak, Bannon, Paris Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot, Thomas, This is great - it should get the OBC mail flying around the country (or world) for a few days at least! There's still an hour to get in!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; geno.wagner Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Bears - Saints Update OBCers -- Here's the latest sides: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot Looks like we could use some more Bears fans!! You still have five hoursto pick a side! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don't have anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar pollfor the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:04:47 -0500 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II I thought Jim Beachemin was going with the Saints too, right Jim? We keep what we give away! ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:06:12 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II No, I only signed up for the Colts. I'm a pretty boy AFC guy. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: geno.wagner Cc: geno.wagner ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II I thought Jim Beachemin was going with the Saints too, right Jim? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 14:13:45 -0500 To: jimbo7777777@earthlink.net (Jim Beauchemin) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II "No, I only signed up for the Colts. I'm a pretty boy AFC guy. :)" My bad! Well, I tried to get more support for the Saints. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 21 Jan 2007 19:50:41 -0000 To: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2007 - Set Recommendations I'm a sucker for the 30's sets, so I'd advise one of the Goudeys or the Diamond Stars. Also the 36 Goudeys and the 36 S&S Game Card set are good choices. The S&S set is inexpensive and has a number of HOFers. Tattoo Orbits (R305)is also a good set although a TUFF set to put together. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I am soliciting advice on new sets to collect. I decided to add a set for every two sets I complete. I anticipate completing a number of sets this year, and I will realistically add four to five sets this year. There are two sets I will eventually add from the Bowman / Fleer / Topps offerings - 53 Topps and 55 Bowman. I will also add a number of non sport sets as I complete sets. Here is where I need your assistance. I am looking for candidate sets. My parameters are as follows: no Topps / Fleer / Bowman sets as I have finished the sets I am interested in completing. My collecting allowance is about $50 - 100 / month. I would really be interested in 50's / 60's regional sets and pre-50's sets. Given the current number of sets I have, I would generate another 17 wantlists given the 2 for 1 rule. Here are the candidates I have come up with thus far. Are they realistic? 1. 33 Goudey (less Lajoie) 2. 34 Goudey 3. 35 Goudey 4. 34-36 Diamond Stars 7. T220 (boxing) 8. E75 (boxing) 9. N31 (AG dudes) 10. N3 (AG Weapons) 11. T68 (Men of History) 12. T69 (Homes) 13. T70 (Historical Events) 14. T77 (Fables) 15. N224 (Kinney Military) 16. Catchers (in gear) Erik Greenwood ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:47:06 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: Bears - Saints Update Final Here's the final groupings: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak, Bannon, Paris, Okamura Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot, Thomas, Hang on to this email so you know who you owe if you lose! If the Bears win, each Bears guy should get nine envelopes, otherwise the Saints guys get eight envelopes each! Should get the juices flowing!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: geno.wagner ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:52 PM Subject: Bears - Saints Update II Here's what I have an hour before kickoff: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak, Bannon, Paris Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot, Thomas, This is great - it should get the OBC mail flying around the country (or world) for a few days at least! There's still an hour to get in!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; geno.wagner Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Bears - Saints Update OBCers -- Here's the latest sides: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot Looks like we could use some more Bears fans!! You still have five hours to pick a side! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don'thave anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:18:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Pats Colts Update Here's what I have as of 4:15 Pats: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK, Freedman Colts: Bannon, Beauchemin, Thomas, Dietrick Did I miss anyone? ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:53:56 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update I'd like to jump on the Colts bandwagon if it's not too late. It's 5:53 PM -Bob R To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: b_betza@yahoo.comDate: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:18:42 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update Here's what I have as of 4:15Pats: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK, FreedmanColts: Bannon, Beauchemin, Thomas, DietrickDid I miss anyone?Brian Type your favorite song. Get a customized station. Try MSN Radio powered by Pandora. http://radio.msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 18:06:17 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update I'd like to double up on my Bears committment, Its 6:06 ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:17:21 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update It's 11:16 in London and I'm going crazy!! Bears Win!!! Good Night, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: biggies@aol.com To: boreed@hotmail.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update I'd like to double up on my Bears committment, Its 6:06 ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:53:23 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update I'm feeling lucky ...... put me down for the Pats if it isn't too late. ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pats Colts Update Here's what I have as of 4:15 Pats: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK, Freedman Colts: Bannon, Beauchemin, Thomas, Dietrick Did I miss anyone? ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 23:25:46 +0000 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Re: Pats-Colts Update My friends, Put me down for the Pats, if there is still time! Be happy, John Scott Gray ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 17:29:52 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II DA BEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: geno.wagner ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:52 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Update II Here's what I have an hour before kickoff: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak, Bannon, Paris Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot, Thomas, This is great - it should get the OBC mail flying around the country (or world) for a few days at least! There's still an hour to get in!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; geno.wagner Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:55 PM Subject: Bears - Saints Update OBCers -- Here's the latest sides: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman, Morganti, Gray, Wattigny, Talbot Looks like we could use some more Bears fans!! You still have five hours to pick a side! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears - Saints Matchup OBCers -- There's still time to get in! Here's the sides so far: Bears: Wagner, Luurs, Betza, Hitzman, Valacak Saints: Kilborn, Wubben, Freedman Remember, each loser must send something to each winner. If you don'thave anything on their list, then be creative (i.e. I love Walter Payton!). Where's those Pats - Colts fans?!? Somebody ought to run a similar poll the Pretty Boy Conference... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:29:01 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: 1953 Topps Variations / NEW: 1954 Topps Backs Thanks Jim for the info. As soon as I sent my question I realized the black letters were unlikely! I was corrected by a few others as well. Now, for the next question: Do you have any 1954 Topps cards where, for identically numbered cards, the backs are oriented both right side up and upside down? In other words, if you have say, dupes of Card #33, is the back printed both ways or just oriented the same way on your copies. Thanks again, guys, ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 00:53:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Final Colts-Pats Pool Sorry this is so late guys but had a little icy road situation arise... Here's what I have Pats: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK, Freedman, Paris, JSG Colts: Bannon, Beauchemin, Thomas, Dietrick, Reed Let me know if I missed ya... Brian Betza ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 19:56:38 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Final Colts-Pats Pool I've already started looking for cards to send. Dungy's getting outcoachedagain. When do pitchers and catchers report? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Final Colts-Pats Pool Sorry this is so late guys but had a little icy road situation arise... Here's what I have Pats: Betza, Geno, Mac, EEK, Freedman, Paris, JSG Colts: Bannon, Beauchemin, Thomas, Dietrick, Reed Let me know if I missed ya... Brian Betza ================= Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:32:24 -0500 To: "Jim Beauchemin" , From: Sean McGowan Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Variations All five of mine are white as well. At 01:07 PM 1/21/2007, Jim Beauchemin wrote: >All five of those cards - 94 107 131 145 156, all are printed in white ink >on the back. >----- Original Message ----- >From: dsh46@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 12:01 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Variations >OK gang-research time! >I am working on a piece and trying to suss out the 1953 Topps White >Letter/Black letter variations. Cards from 86-165 have the players vital >stats printed in either color on the back of the card. Also included in >this run are the five withheld cards from series one (#=E2=99s 10, 44, 61, >and 81). >Now, can the five cards withheld from series two (#=E2=99s 94, 107, 131, >and 156) until the third series also be found this way? I think they can >but I do not have any of them so if anyone knows, please let me >know. Presumably, the vital stats for the entire run other than series >one were intended to be white (based upon my own collection looking at >cards above #165) once series two switched from black to white. Is that >right? Any help is appreciated. ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:33:29 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: heres the 72 Giant on the checklist ================= To: "Ed Schott" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 20:37:24 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] heres the 72 Giant on the checklist Dave Hostetler - just kidding ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] heres the 72 Giant on the checklist ================= To: "Ed Schott" , Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2007 21:55:12 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] heres the 72 Giant on the checklist I mean Jeff - sorry, I guess my mind is on baseball ----- Original Message ----- From: T.J. Valacak To: Ed Schott ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] heres the 72 Giant on the checklist Dave Hostetler - just kidding ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] heres the 72 Giant on the checklist ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:20:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Re: ?????? 72 football My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for the Giants on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor a regular issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which would have resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would keep the same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a card-or why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!.. Brian Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 football checklist - card # 29 > Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for sure > thanks > ED ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 02:03:54 EST To: b_betza@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football In John Blanchard case he was a QB/P at Oregon. His favorite receiver was Bobby Moore who later changed his faith and name to Ahmad Rashad. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:20:35 -0500 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football I thought it was Earl Morrall. Would they use that old a picture on a checklist? ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for the Giants on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor a regular issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which would have resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would keep the same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a card-or why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!.. Brian Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 football checklist - card # 29 > Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for sure > thanks > ED ================= To: "OBC" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 06:17:18 -0500 From: "Larry Tipton" Subject: re: 53 Topps variations In my binder, all five of those cards - 94 107 131 145 156, are printed in white ink on the back. ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 17:03:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Re: 53 Topps variations Same here, Dave - All 5 are white Bios. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Tipton" > Dave, > In my binder, all five of those cards - 94 107 131 145 156, are printed in > white ink on the back. > Guru ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:18:00 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: 1/22/07 Waiver wire Hello all Up for grabs is a few cards i got at the white plains show 1953 topps #70 Ed " Ole Blue Eyes' Yuhas 1954 Bowmans # 102 Bill "Billy the Kid" Pierce 1955 Topps #85 Don "The Sphinx" Mossi 1956 topps #139 Tommy " I went to Notre Dame" Carroll 1956 Topps # 234 James "PETE" Runnels 1957 Topps #47 Don "The Blazer" Blasingame 1958 Topps #391 Dave " I batted .310 at Ventura" Melton 1958 Topps # 456 Dick " Dick can swing a pretty Lusty Bat" Brown 1959 Topps #373 Herb " I own a degree from Illinois Univ" Plews 1959 Topps #382 Curt " I had 193 career wins" Simons 1960 Topps #276 Ken "always a Brides maid" McBride 1962 Post #118 Gene " Augie " Freese 1963 Topps #174 Larry " Possum" Burright 1965 Topps # 108 Don "I hit 8 HRs during a 10 game streak in 63" Mincher Claim away Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 12:35:10 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: OBCAC Voting Member and Moderator Elections - Nominations open February 1 Content-Language: en Happy New Year to all. I am still recovering from a tremendous showing by the Chicago Bears yesterday! I have the privilege of serving as election commissioner for the OBCAC again this year. We had a record 93 votes cast in last year's election, and I think 100 votes is an attainable goal this year! Members shall serve on the OBCAC for one year from March 1, 2007 through February 28, 2008. No need to do anything right now other than to start thinking about nominations OBCAC Facilitator and Voting Members. It is important that you permission from a potential nominee prior to submitting their name for nomination beginning February 1. Please DO NOT submit nominations or acceptances prior to February 1. They will not be valid. I will be accepting nominations (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) from February 1 thru February 14 for candidates for both a non-voting OBCAC Facilitator and seven OBCAC voting members. You must be nominated by a group member - self nominations will not be accepted. A member may be nominated and appear on the ballot for both positions. Should the same member elected to both positions, that member must accept only one of those positions, and the next highest vote recipient for the declined position will considered elected. Anyone who has been in OBC for at least 3 years is considered qualified to be nominated and elected. This is critical =E2=93 please DO NOT submita name for nomination without first asking and receiving permission from the nominee. A nominee's acceptance is required. In other words, I will need two emails one from the nominator giving the name of the member being nominated (only after you have received permission from that member to submit their name),and one from the nominee accepting the nomination. Nominating/accepting emails should be sent to me with the subject of either OBC NOMINATION or OBC ACCEPTANCE. Please make sure to indicate in both emails whether it applies to a voting member postion or the moderator position. Both the nominator and nominee will get an email from me indicating that the nominee will appear on the ballot (assume they are eligible to be a candidate). Inactive members are eligible to both submit nominations as well as vote in the elections. Any member, either active or not, will be eligible to vote only if they have responded to the membership poll currently being conducted Geordie Calvert (_dodgergeo@comcast.net_ (mailto:dodgergeo@comcast.net) ) by February 14. On February 15, I will send out an email listing all valid nominations. From that time until the end of February, each OBC members should email their ballot to me (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) , listing their choices for seven voting Members and one non-voting Facilitator. I will send out a few reminders, but it is your responsibility submit a proper ballot within the appropriate timeframe. I will keep track of all ballots. Please use OBC BALLOT as the email subject. The seven candidates with the highest number of votes in the election for OBCAC Voting Member will serve as OBCAC Voting members. The candidate withthe next highest total will be an Alternate Voting Member, who will serve if there is a vacancy in the OBCAC. The member with the highest number of votes the election for OBCAC Facilitator will serve as OBCAC Facilitator. I will release the voting results (but not vote totals) to the general membership on March 1. Actual vote totals shall be available privately for days after the election. Thanks for your participation and cooperation. Gary Mandell ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 19:44:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: A set on ebay to interest Rob Gioia and maybe others in OBC I found a tobacco card set from 1930 on ebay right now i am certain will interest Rob Gioia and maybe other members too. Check out ebay # 270081047306 http://tinyurl.com/2ywf3r This is the only set i know of on this topic-Linda ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 23:24:58 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: John Morrison--oldbbcards Evening OBC-- I am curious where our OBC friendly dealer effort stands? Primarily because I have just had another great transaction with John Morrison-- oldbbcards@aol.com A short stack of 1953 Bowman colors for approx 6% of high book. Certainly not mint cards--but nothing was trashed either. Seven or eight high numbers, including card 160, and Durocher, Lopez, Nellie Fox, the Martin/Rizzuto card, Lou Boudrou and Johnny Pesky. For the newer members, John always has a bunch of lessor condition 50s through the 70s cards and always gives OBC about as good a deal as you can get. He even checks out wantlists. We all work with budgets--I simply send John a check for whatever I can spend at the moment and he makes it worth my while. As Mark Talbot is found of saying----Be Well!! Peter Mead ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:17:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Hilltown Hits Thanks going out tonight to Peter Mead, for two great hits to my '50's Bowman sets, including my first 55 TV Umpire, Frank Dascoli. thanks ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:31:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: New Set Started and Availables! Started a new set today, sort of, the 1970 Topps Baseball scratch- offs. Ended up with a couple of dupes in the starter set I picked up. These are available now, to a good new home: Juan Marichal and Mack Jones. And believe me when I tell you, it's not often I'll let go of a a Marichal, dupe or not!!!! Anybody? ================= To: "jimbo777777" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 00:33:38 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hilltown Hits I needed to return the favor for, as of late, frequent mailer Jim Beauchemin. Today's Post brought someone I had never heard of Stover McIlwain from the high number 1960 Leaf series. Who, you ask? Stover McIlwain pitched in a grand total of two major league games--one in 1957 and one 1958 never to make it to the bigs again. In fact, his only claim to fame was that he was the youngest player in the majors in both years--being 17 at his debut. So when he hit the Leaf set he was permanently mired in the minor leagues. Many thanks Jim, Peter Mead -------------- Original message -------------- From: "jimbo777777" Thanks going out tonight to Peter Mead, for two great hits to my '50's Bowman sets, including my first 55 TV Umpire, Frank Dascoli. thanks ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:30:32 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football I think Morrall wore number 11 for the Giants. At least he did in the 1966card I have off him. I do think the picture is from the 60's though. I'm not sure when the Giants wore their numbers on the helmets. Here is a list of their QB's from 1966 to 1971 with some numbers that I was able to track down on the Internet although not all of the numbers were when they were on the Giants. This website (http://www.footballcardgallery.com/) was very 18 Tom Kennedy 1966 11 Earl Morrall 1966-67 19 Gary Wood 1966, 1968-6910 Fran Tarkenton 1967-71 16 Gary Lane 1968 16 Milt Plum 1969 11 Dick Shiner 1970 11 Randy Johnson 1971 FWIW Tom Blanchard was 1 for 1 throwing the ball in 1971. Anybody got a copy of the 1964 Giants team card from the Philadelphia set? There is a #15 in the front row.-Bob To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; b_betza@yahoo.comFrom: jimbo7777777@earthlink.netDate: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:20:35 -0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football I thought it was Earl Morrall. Would they use that old a picture on a checklist? ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football Ed,My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for the Giants on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor a regular issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which would have resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would keep the same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a card-or why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!..Brian Betza--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" wrote:>> Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 football checklist - card # 29> Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for sure> thanks > > ED> Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. ================= To: "vct" , Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:47:58 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1966 opee Hello All, I have some dupes in vg avg in hopes for some hits to my set My dupes: my needs: #1,2,4,7,8,9,13,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,30,31,35,36, 37,38,41,43,46,48,50,52,53,54,55,57,59,60,62,64, 65,67,68,69,70,72,73,74,76,79,80,83,85,86,87, 88,90,91,93,94,96,97,98,99,100,107,109,110,120,122,124,125,126,130,132,133,134,,= 137,138,141,142,145,147,150,154, 157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,171,174, Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:03:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Sean is a moron.... Here are the guys already in the pool, you don't need to email me again :) neal thomas sean mcgowan chris stufflestreet bob reed peter mead josh levine ray luurs lary gersbach kit okamuro earl kilbourn mike rich matthew glidden chuck paris ken morganti geno wagner tj valacak kevin martens Robert Gioia ================= To: "Bob Reed" Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:38:02 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football pretty sure its Tom Blanchard thanks guys ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football I think Morrall wore number 11 for the Giants. At least he did in the 1966 card I have off him. I do think the picture is from the 60's though. I'm not sure when the Giants wore their numbers on the helmets. Here is a list of their QB's from 1966 to 1971 with some numbers that I was able totrack down on the Internet although not all of the numbers were when they were on the Giants. This website (http://www.footballcardgallery.com/) wasvery 18 Tom Kennedy 1966 11 Earl Morrall 1966-67 19 Gary Wood 1966, 1968-69 10 Fran Tarkenton 1967-71 16 Gary Lane 1968 16 Milt Plum 1969 11 Dick Shiner 1970 11 Randy Johnson 1971 FWIW Tom Blanchard was 1 for 1 throwing the ball in 1971. Anybody got a copy of the 1964 Giants team card from the Philadelphia set? There is a #15 in the front row. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; b_betza@yahoo.com From: jimbo7777777@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:20:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football I thought it was Earl Morrall. Would they use that old a picture on a checklist? ----- Original Message ----- From: b_betza To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:20 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for the Giants on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor a regular issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which would have resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would keep the same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a card-or why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!.. Brian Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 football checklist - card # 29 > Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for sure > thanks > ED Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. Check it out! ================= Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 22:02:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool #7!!!! Dear OBCers, Ok, here we go :) If you know the drill, just let me know that you want in. I will attach the list at the end of this message of those of you who are already in. If you are new to the pool, here is how it works.... 1) you e-mail me to say you want in 2) On or about next Thursday I will (with the help of my kids and a baseball cap ) randomly assign all 100 squares to the participants. 3) The score at the end of each quarter will determine the winners. There will be 4 different winners (see rules on my web page... link below) 4) All of the "losers" will try our best to hit the want lists of the "winners". Usually we get 2 or 3 hundred cards flying around. That is the whole point. This is fun, no money, just fun... so, update your want lists, check last year's pool results and rules at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm Email me if you have questions! I hope the Bears can make a game of this! Go OBC! ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:43:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Re: ?????? 72 football Upon further review....it's not Blanchard... the SAME picture is on the 1970 Checklist #132 as well..... looks like Blanchard was drafted in 1971 so this can't be him...... Thanks for giving me a new obsession Ed!!!!! Morrall was #11--Tarkenton was #10 who the heck is Brian (I'm not #15 are you?) Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > pretty sure its Tom Blanchard > thanks guys > ED > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bob Reed > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:30 PM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > I think Morrall wore number 11 for the Giants. At least he did in the 1966 card I have off him. I do think the picture is from the 60's though. > I'm not sure when the Giants wore their numbers on the helmets. Here is a list of their QB's from 1966 to 1971 with some numbers that I was able to track down on the Internet although not all of the numbers were when they were on the Giants. This website (http://www.footballcardgallery.com/) was very helpful. > 18 Tom Kennedy 1966 > 11 Earl Morrall 1966-67 > 19 Gary Wood 1966, 1968-69 > 10 Fran Tarkenton 1967-71 > 16 Gary Lane 1968 > 16 Milt Plum 1969 > 11 Dick Shiner 1970 > 11 Randy Johnson 1971 > FWIW Tom Blanchard was 1 for 1 throwing the ball in 1971. > Anybody got a copy of the 1964 Giants team card from the Philadelphia set? There is a #15 in the front row. > -Bob > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; b_betza@... > From: jimbo7777777@... > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:20:35 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > I thought it was Earl Morrall. Would they use that old a picture on a checklist? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: b_betza > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:20 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > Ed, > My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for the > on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor a > issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which would have > resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would keep > same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a > why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!.. > Brian Betza > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , on the 72 > football checklist - card # 29 > > Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for > > thanks > > > > ED > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and more. Check it out! ================= To: hoot-owl@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 05:05:58 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Morrison--oldbbcards I fully agree with Peter - John Morrison has always been in my Top 10 for OBC friendly dealers. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Evening OBC-- I am curious where our OBC friendly dealer effort stands? Primarily because I have just had another great transaction with John Morrison-- oldbbcards@aol.com A short stack of 1953 Bowman colors for approx 6% of high book. Certainly not mint cards--but nothing was trashed either. Seven or eight high numbers, including card 160, and Durocher, Lopez, Nellie Fox, the Martin/Rizzuto card, Lou Boudrou and Johnny Pesky. For the newer members, John always has a bunch of lessor condition 50s through the 70s cards and always gives OBC about as good a deal as you can get. He even checks out wantlists. We all work with budgets--I simply send John a check for whatever I can spend at the moment and he makes it worth my while. As Mark Talbot is found of saying----Be Well!! Peter Mead ================= To: , Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 06:07:57 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Morrison--oldbbcards Peter -- The dealer list is being voted on as we speak! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: hoot-owl@comcast.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 11:24 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] John Morrison--oldbbcards Evening OBC-- I am curious where our OBC friendly dealer effort stands? Primarily because I have just had another great transaction with John Morrison-- oldbbcards@aol.com A short stack of 1953 Bowman colors for approx 6% of high book. Certainly not mint cards--but nothing was trashed either. Seven or eight high numbers, including card 160, and Durocher, Lopez, Nellie Fox, the Martin/Rizzuto card, Lou Boudrou and Johnny Pesky. For the newer members, John always has a bunch of lessor condition 50s through the 70s cards and always gives OBC about as good a deal as you can get. He even checks out wantlists. We all work with budgets--I simply send John a check for whatever I can spend at the moment and he makes it worth my while. As Mark Talbot is found of saying----Be Well!! Peter Mead ================= Date: 23 Jan 2007 17:20:07 -0000 To: talbot1@comcast.net, hoot-owl@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Morrison--oldbbcards You can bet that whatever amount of money you send him, you'll get more than your money's worth back. He's tops in my book. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I fully agree with Peter - John Morrison has always been in my Top 10 for OBC friendly dealers. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Evening OBC-- I am curious where our OBC friendly dealer effort stands? Primarily because I have just had another great transaction with John Morrison-- A short stack of 1953 Bowman colors for approx 6% of high book. Certainly not mint cards--but nothing was trashed either. Seven or eight high numbers, including card 160, and Durocher, Lopez, Nellie Fox, the Martin/Rizzuto card, Lou Boudrou and Johnny Pesky. For the newer members, John always has a bunch of lessor condition 50s through the 70s cards and always gives OBC about as good a deal as you can get. He even checks out wantlists. We all work with budgets--I simply send John a check for whatever I can spend at the moment and he makes it worth my while. As Mark Talbot is found of saying----Be Well!! Peter Mead ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:35:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Animals 2 Humans 0 It's a sad time for mankind when we allow animals to claw and stomp humans while many otherwise good people just sit back and watch it happen. Worse were those people that actually applauded and encouraged the violence. Worser still were the victims these animals chose to heap their carnage upon. Those beaten were those that represent the very fiber of America, who literally stood for G-d & Country. Yes, Saints and Patriots were they. Our own Fr. Pat was a victim, his only act being to sing the praises of the Saints. I ask each of you that rejoiced in these beastly attacks to search your conscience and ask "for what have I sold my morality, indeed my very soul?" A few pieces of cardboard is your "blood money"! You know who you are, but least you or history forget, I will call you now by your given name. Geno Wagner, Brian Betza, Ray Luurs, Steve Hitzman, T.J. Valacak, Bob Bannon, Chuck Paris, Jim Beauchemin, Neal Thomas, Bob Reed & Terry Here after your name is Shame! OK, now I feel better! I just returned from the post office where I mailed envelopes to each of you. A few tough lists but I was able to send cardboard to all but one person where I had to "get creative"! I hope I got the right cards in the right envelopes. My shipping assistant kept putting the wrong cards in the envelopes I had previously addressed. I really can't fire her, who else would hire a 3 year old? Besides she's my daughter's daughter and lastly, she works for peanuts (usually the chocolate covered For those of you that bothered to read this entire post, I have a special offer for the first interested respondent. Barnes & Noble sent me my 2007 SCD today so I have a 2005 available for the asking. FCFS. I would say priority goes to those I owe, but that would be pretty much any OBCer at any rate. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "'Originaleek@webtv.net'" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 20:28:41 -0500 From: Jim Beauchemin Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Animals 2 Humans 0 Thanks EEK. You are a credit to your species. :) -----Original Message----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net [SMTP:Originaleek@webtv.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 7:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Animals 2 Humans 0 It's a sad time for mankind when we allow animals to claw and stomp humans while many otherwise good people just sit back and watch it happen. Worse were those people that actually applauded and encouraged the violence. Worser still were the victims these animals chose to heap their carnage upon. Those beaten were those that represent the very fiber of America, who literally stood for G-d & Country. Yes, Saints and Patriots were they. Our own Fr. Pat was a victim, his only act being to sing the praises of the Saints. I ask each of you that rejoiced in these beastly attacks to search your conscience and ask "for what have I sold my morality, indeed my very soul?" A few pieces of cardboard is your "blood money"! You know who you are, but least you or history forget, I will call you now by your given name. Geno Wagner, Brian Betza, Ray Luurs, Steve Hitzman, T.J. Valacak, Bob Bannon, Chuck Paris, Jim Beauchemin, Neal Thomas, Bob Reed & Terry Here after your name is Shame! OK, now I feel better! I just returned from the post office where I mailed envelopes to each of you. A few tough lists but I was able to send cardboard to all but one person where I had to "get creative"! I hope I got the right cards in the right envelopes. My shipping assistant kept putting the wrong cards in the envelopes I had previously addressed. I really can't fire her, who else would hire a 3 year old? Besides she's my daughter's daughter and lastly, she works for peanuts (usually the chocolate covered For those of you that bothered to read this entire post, I have a special offer for the first interested respondent. Barnes & Noble sent me my 2007 SCD today so I have a 2005 available for the asking. FCFS. I would say priority goes to those I owe, but that would be pretty much any OBCer at any rate. We keep what we give away! << File: ATT00005.html >> ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:09:37 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Dealer purchases I read the posts about dealers paying low prices for cards from unsuspecting sellers. However, when it comes to eBay, I cannot understand some of the prices that dealers pay for lots that I am bidding on. I would really appreciate some comments on the following auction: Subj: eBay Item Not Won: 1965 Topps Baseball SHOEBOX Lot *1,119 Cards* I bid $2239 thinking that it was somewhat undesireable given the number of duplicate cards in the lot, but because there were so many stars and high numbers (above #371) that it would be great for upgrading and trading, or getting some traders to share the cost. I need help understanding the rationale that a dealer would have to pay almost $2600 for this lot. Am I being too On the other hand, I just won a 1954 Red MAn Rizzuto w/tab for $8.... Go figure... Thanks for any comments, ================= To: "vct" , Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 21:13:31 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Re: 1966 opee update: I have the following left: Check my trade page for updated needs. ----- Original Message ----- From: ant To: vct ; obc rambling Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: 1966 opee Hello All, I have some dupes in vg avg in hopes for some hits to my set My dupes: my needs: #1,2,4,7,8,9,13,19,20,22,23,24,25,26,30,31,35,36, 37,38,41,43,46,48,50,52,53,54,55,57,59,60,62,64, 65,67,68,69,70,72,73,74,76,79,80,83,85,86,87, 88,90,91,93,94,96,97,98,99,100,107,109,110,120,122,124,125,126,130,132,133,134= ,,137,138,141,142,145,147,150,154, 157,158,159,160,161,162,163,164,165,166,167,171,174, Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 22:05:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: 2005 SCD The 2005 SCD has been claimed. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 02:25:02 EST To: Brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer purchases In a message dated 1/23/2007 6:21:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, brockhattox@cs.com writes: I read the posts about dealers paying low prices for cards from unsuspecting sellers. However, when it comes to eBay, I cannot understand some of the prices that dealers pay for lots that I am bidding on. I would really appreciate some comments on the following auction: Subj: eBay Item Not Won: 1965 Topps Baseball SHOEBOX Lot *1,119 Cards* I bid $2239 thinking that it was somewhat undesireable given the number of duplicate cards in the lot, but because there were so many stars and high numbers (above #371) that it would be great for upgrading and trading, or getting some traders to share the cost. I need help understanding the rationale that a dealer would have to pay almost $2600 for this lot. Am I being too On the other hand, I just won a 1954 Red MAn Rizzuto w/tab for $8.... Go figure... Thanks for any comments, I actually thought about that lot in the same way you did but priced it out at around $2400 (way expensive for me). I think they will break it and make their money but not a big profit margin at all. Instead I spent $13 (incl. shipping) for a 1982 Tara Toys baseball card storage locker (very similar to the several that I owned as a kid) that was listed as being from 1982 and contained cards from every team "unsearched". _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320015952847_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320015952847) Now, I was in this lot really just as nostalgia for the locker. I figured the cards were searched. WRONG. Included in the locker was a 1973 Tommy Agee, 1975 Staub, and a bunch of 1982 Topps incl. Schmidt, Brett, Rose, Stargell, Jackson, Yount, Henderson, Winfield, and a few rookie cards incl. Brett Butler (Geordie would be proud) and some new HOFer Ripken. I was floored. Cards are all probably in vg-ex condition. Fun day and brought back a lot of memories this week. There are bargains to be had on ebay and there is still fun to had in this ================= Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 17:57:49 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: question on a 63 topps CARD hello all, I was flipping through my 1963 topps and i came across # 78 "Marvelous" Marv Throneberry, I looked at the bottom of the card and where it says New York Mets in yellow there are 2 yellow ink blots on the card. Ive looked closely and under a magnifying glass and it is part of the card, Is this common of the 63 topps? the ink blotches? thank you for your time Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= To: DaPatriot1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:11:46 -0500 From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question on a 63 topps CARD I dont have the blotches on my card just what I need another variation -----Original Message----- From: DaPatriot1@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 4:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question on a 63 topps CARD hello all, I was flipping through my 1963 topps and i came across # 78 "Marvelous" Marv Throneberry, I looked at the bottom of the card and where it says New York Mets in yellow there are 2 yellow ink blots on the card. Ive looked closely and under a magnifying glass and it is part of the card, Is this common of the 63 topps? the ink blotches? thank you for your time Rob "The Fireman" Gioia Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 20:19:54 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Thanks to all... who responded to my questions about 53/54 Topps. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:54:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available My brother-in-law sent me a box of cards. I threw most of them away, but am left with 1984 Topps non-commons and 1979 Topps. If you need anything from these sets, please let me know. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:23:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available In a message dated Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:58 pm ((PST)), brockhattox@cs.com > My brother-in-law sent me a box of cards. I threw most of them away... Brock, if you see anyone digging through your trash later - that would be me. Ken M ================= To: , Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:39:25 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available Only if you get there before I do ... ... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available In a message dated Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:58 pm ((PST)), brockhattox@cs.com writes: My brother-in-law sent me a box of cards. I threw most of them away... Brock, if you see anyone digging through your trash later - that would be me. Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 16:30:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Available Got a small group of 47-66 Exhibits in today from ebay, resulting in one dupe: Earl Battey, decent shape, a crease or two, some age yellowing, but not bad. Anybody want to give Earl a good home? ================= To: "Don Rice" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:39:00 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Sanitation Day !!!!! - - - Re: [OBC-Ramble On's] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available Dang, I hope he aint the making of another Mr. Mint. ... ... One man's garbage, another man's treasure? So, better yet, instead of a bus, let's get a clean sanitation truck, back it in during "pick up day," then take loot and race away. I aint too proud to go through a little garbage; besides, I have a whole bunches of those blasted sets from the 1990's that I haven't completed ...one card at a time; just before I die! ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rice To: Walker Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; cardclctor@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available Let's hire a bus! :-) .... Walker wrote: Only if you get there before I do ... ... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 6:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available In a message dated Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:58 pm ((PST)), brockhattox@cs.com writes: My brother-in-law sent me a box of cards. I threw most of them away... Brock, if you see anyone digging through your trash later - that would beme. Ken M ================= To: "OBC-THANKS" , Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:09:27 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Overdue Thanks After nearly a year of being more away from home than not, over the past two weeks I have finally spent a little time in my office. Imagine the startand jump to my heart when I notice, hidden away behind the bookcase on a corner shelf, I found an entire row of flats, puffies and envelopes that my family and friends apparently organized for me while I was recuperating. Obviously, I am desperately behind, and at the very least, extremely remisswith thank you's. All I can say is that I hope and pray no one else has to suffer through what has essentially cost me a year of my life due to an auto accident. On the up side, I feel like I've hit the lottery. Like a kid in a candy store (Card shop store?) who wants to sample everything there.I just can't wait to open up all the packages to see what is there. Thanks WILL be forthcoming, as will return fire, when and where possible. Thank you for being so patient and understanding, ================= Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:29:36 EST To: dkrice@nycap.rr.com, wguthrie@axint.net From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1979 and 1984 Topps Cards available hows a bus going to dig through a garbage can :-) ================= Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:07:59 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: test TEST TEST just a test ================= Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:48:05 EST To: DaPatriot1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: test TEST TEST ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:29:26 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: test Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Oscars http://Movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007 ================= Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 02:33:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Toast Just in the mood for some toast.... ================= Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 05:15:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: AVAILABLES, round two Hey everyone, it's time for round 2 of my availables. I'm trying to completely overhaul my dupes in early 2007, so that means I will be offering them up as they (and hopefully I) become a little more organized. Here goes. 1966 Topps 21 45 49 51 56 69 (78 trimmed) 78 84 188 213. 1967 Topps 8 11 34 47 67 95 97 101 137 157 298 (310 right side messed up) 316 344 360 366. 1968 Topps (14 several black glue spots on back) 24 44 (118 bad) 211 216 224 231 (246 hole punched) 270 277 (296 bad) 309 (351 paper loss on back). 1969 Topps 14 17 (24 several glue spots on back) 53 339 342 361 363 391 415. 1970 Topps 5 8 13 15 18 20 29 34 35 38 44 45 47 56 58 62 79 84 86 89 101 103 108 110 115 123 124 126 128 129 133 142 147 156 182 239 246 269 269 284 297 302 303 326 336 339 414 447. Trimmed: 481 492 518 540. 1971 Topps 1 2 7 9 13 13 15 16 25 27 29 31 32 (36 bad) 37 40 41 41 42 43 46 47 47 58 76 78 79 81 86 87 88 89 89 91 91 93 93 97 103 106 137 152 157 169 181 198 200 204 206 212 222 223 236 258 269 274 274 290 297 309 309 323 330 333 334 344 349 354 354 360 360 414 420 424 432 436 447 457 463 466 472 490 518. 1972 Topps 42 85 97 119 119 149 172 214 216 246 278 343 351 430. 1973 Topps about a hundred. Send wantlist. 1974 Topps 4 24 29 42 45 60 100 122 130 164 212 244 272 308 346 350 (378 writing on front) 399 415 474 493 563 (574 top left missing) 575 583 600. 1974 Topps Traded 51T 348T 373T 616T. 1974 Topps Team Checklists Angels Braves Brewers Expos Orioles Pirates Reds Royals White Sox. 1975 Topps (9 bad) 33 57 81 154 237 262 319 325 367 418 427 442 461 475 525 550 603 633. 1976 Topps 76 103 109 168 239 260 323 334 339 341 395 477 477 554 574 (625 trimmed). 1976 Topps Traded 259T. 1977 Hostess 3. 1977 Topps 16 93 114 129 184 195 199 279 291 304 345 423 426 429 528 534. 1978 Topps 15 24 51 51 53 53 79 93 93 93 116 123 135 154 177 177 186 211 211 244 244 248 248 248 248 249 249 265 265 265 271 276 276 281 281 285 297 297 311 326 326 327 327 349 394 396 396 396 396 417 425 461 461 621 640. Dibs on these goes to Erik Greenwood =96 you need any? 1979 Hostess 4. 1979 Topps about a hundred. Send wantlist. 1980 Topps about a thousand. Send wantlist. 2005 Helmar Deal, Dalager. Unscratched. 1969 Topps 12. 1977 Topps 131. 1978 Topps 51 144 355 508. 1979 Topps 40 109 196 241 313 405 456 495 495. 1981 Topps 446. I can't believe I finished that tonight. Sheesh. Okay, the usual rules apply: please include your address, preference goes to the thousand guys I owe, but anyone can ask, etc. One special rule this time, though: no second or third sets, please. Claim 'em. ================= To: "dugout thanks" , Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 09:02:53 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: crocket & outer limit dupes Hello All, I happen to stumble across the following dupes which are very worn: 1964 outer limits #7,13 1956 Davey Crockett green back #6a orange back#75,56 Any help on my crocket set would be great but not nessary http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 15:03:40 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2007 - Set Recommendations Thank you all for your input on my new set inquiry. I will be adding the following sets to my wantlists in the coming weeks. 34-36 Diamond Stars 33 Goudey 34 Goudey 35 Goudey 36 Goudey Tattoo Orbits (R305) 41 Double Play 53 Topps 50 Bowman Wild Man ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 20:03:13 -0500 From: Subject: Going to a show I am going to my first show of any size this weekend ( http://www.insidepitch.com/ ). With so many tables I am concerned that I may jump on a deal only to find a better deal down the aisle. Also, what goodies/supplies do you carry? Do you carry a case/box to store the new treasures in? I am looking for show tips from those of you that go often to minimize lessons learned the hard way. Thanks in advance for the feedback, ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 15:57:45 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Philosophical Question for the variation hunters I have always considered myself a relatively sane collector, by which I mean I tend to pretend certain variations don't exist, and also that sets are complete without certain cards (33G Lajoie, 54B Williams, 57T checklists etc). Now in the middle of the T205 quest, I have wandered a bit from that convenient logic and thought, for example, so that I need Otis Crandall bothwith and without a crossed T. I still think I'll be able to avoid the Moran "stray line" variation fortunately. However, I now have a philosophicalproblem. I recently picked up my second A.Latham card. For those of you that don't know, this comes with two back versions--one that says W.A. Latham, one that says A.Latham. (The W.A. version being more difficult). Thisnew pick up has a bit of paper missing in the upper left corner...enough so that the W is missing. There is just enough paper on the card to show the "." from the W., so clearly this is the version that I still need. The question that naturally follows...can I claim that this is the W.A. version despite the W being missing? I should have never gone down this variation road... Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Oscars http://Movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007 ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 07:38:49 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: going to a show I am going to my first show of any size this weekend ( http://www.insidepitch.com/ ). With so many tables I am concerned that I may jump on a deal only to find a better deal down the aisle. Also, what goodies/supplies do you carry? Do you carry a case/box to store the new treasures in? I am looking for show tips from those of you that go often to minimize lessons learned the hard way. Thanks in advance for the feedback, Mark Holland Vintage Want List: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck ================= Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 08:48:14 -0500 To: obcmac@hotmail.com (Mac Wubben) From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters ================= Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 09:52:09 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: I'm back - probably Content-Disposition: inline Hi all. After a lonnnnnnnnnng break from cards, I am dipping my toes back into the water. I've cleaned off my desk and all the cards received an purchased are a 5000 count box for me to put away. And I'm trolling ebay for the ones I still can't find -- mainly fb cards. I hope to talk to y'all again soon. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 11:19:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Anybody got a scanner and a 1976 Topps set? Are there any OBC'ers out there with a scanner and a 1976 Topps set? As many of you know, I sold the web rights to the former "BBCI" (Baseball Card Images Project) to cardpricers.com in exchange for $1000 to my kids' college fund, but as part of that deal, I am allowed to maintain an image collection on my own machine, which I've been steadily adding to over the past year or so. I've got it to the point where I need relatively high-quality images of just the Topps 1976 set (given as a gift to my younger brother-in-law as a "birth year" set) to complete a run of Topps card images from 1948 and 1951 through 1980. I'm looking for scanned images of Topps 1976 cards, any condition, fronts only, preferably at 150% size but 100% is fine also. What I usually do is put the cards in a 9-pocket plastic sheet, then scan 9 cards at a time. Then, I use Google's excellent "Picasa" image editing program to straighen the card images, and crop them off with a slight black border like Dan Austin showed me how to do. The scans can be emailed to me, one or two page scans attached to each email, or if you're able to, put them on a website and I'll download them myself. Or, if it's easier, just burn the scanned images to a CD-ROM and mail it to me. I can make it worth your while with some card images printed on Also, if anyone has interest, I can make available on the web my new venture, "Football Card Images Project", just starting out with close to six thousand relatively high quality images of vintage football cards - Topps, Bowman, Fleer, and Philadelphia, along with miscellaneous vintage sets like 1935 National Chicle and 1949-52 Exhibits. To my surprise, I found an image of the 1950 Bowman football card of Washington Serini, a lineman for the Bears - I went to high school with his son, who was a huge moose of a kid with a big heart. Many of the card descriptions on the early football cards are so brave and patriotic it will bring tears to your eyes, a lot of kids serving in the Armed Forces coming back as ================= Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:30:20 EST To: Brockhattox@cs.com, obcmac@hotmail.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters You can tell for sure depending on the back of the card. The W.A. version only comes with the Polar Bear or Sweet Cap. back. If it is either one of those, and you don't care about condition, consider it found. You can always write in the W. yourself. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 17:44:24 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: More Deals at Sims 58-60 and 66 posted today. Good prices too! Good luck! Fixing up the home? Live Search can help. http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kitimprove&localeen-US&sourcewlmemailtaglinenov06 ================= Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 14:17:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: The Pool Web page is ready The 7th! (yikes) OBC superbowl pool is on-line. Check out the web page at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm If you want in and you aren't listed, let me know. I will be drawing names on Thursday Also, check out the history at the bottom. I'm looking to fill in some gaps in 2002. Go OBC! ================= To: Sean McGowan , Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 15:59:19 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Pool Web page is ready From a February 3, 2002 email the four winners for the 2002 Super Bowl were: Neal Thomas http://www.geocities.com/splinter_65/index.html Brock Hattox http://www.geocities.com/ecrums Mac Wubben http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/jsyoung.htm Rex Stahlman http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/enduroking.htm To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: seanobc@comcast.netDate: Sun, 28 Jan2007 14:17:41 -0500Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Pool Web page is ready Kids,The 7th! (yikes) OBC superbowl pool is on-line. Check out the web pageat:http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htmIf you want in and you aren't listed, let me know. I will be drawing names on Thursdayevening.Also, check out the history at the bottom. I'm looking to fill in some gapsin 2002.Thanks!Go Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Oscars http://Movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007 ================= Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 02:32:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "kevin71058" Subject: A week late.. Hi all, I went to the White Plains New York Card show and ran into a few OBCers looking through 1.00 boxes and for some good deals. I first ran into everyone's favorite chef, Antony Arbeeny. Had a nice talk with Ant, he told me New York;s finest fireman ,Rob Gioia, was around and told me as well that Rob found a great deal the day I ran into Rob not long after that and he had a grin on like the chester cat in Alice in Wonderland. He starting telling me about the deal he found the day before, and I heard stuff like a Berra 53 Topps and many SPs from 53 and I was just taken it all in and I was so happy for Rob. I asked him what he was doing back today at the show and he told me he heard a few OBCer were going to be there and wanted to meet them, honestly, I still think he was in shock from the day's before big kill and wanted to come back to make sure it was real (lol). Rob then took me over to the dealer that he got the good deal from as I was looking for some 53 Bowman Color and Rob told me that the dealer he got the good deal from had a ton of them for a good price. So off we went to see if I can make a good deal as well, Rob introduced me and since I was a friend of Rob , the dealer gave me a nice deal too. I picked up a bunch of 53 Bowman Color for a decent price, but a 58 Mantle was staring me in the face, saying take me home. I checked my cash and said I will be back if my money holds out. I walked around the show and Bob Bannon came up to me and said hi, and we talked for awhile, Bob hit me when I was kind of day dreaming about the Mantle card. Sorry Bob, if my eyes were glazed over..smile We shook hands and said good hunting and off we went. I finished the show with just enough for the 58 Mantle, so it came home with me. On my way out I looked back and saw Bob buried in a dollar box, smiling..so I knew he found some good stuff. Over all it was a good show. It was nice seeing you guys at the show. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 14:02:05 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Going to a show I am going to my first show of any size this weekend ( http://www.insidepitch.com/ ). With so many tables I am concerned that I may jump on a deal only to find a better deal down the aisle. Also, what goodies/supplies do you carry? Do you carry a case/box to store the new treasures in? I am looking for show tips from those of you that go often to minimize lessons learned the hard way. Thanks in advance for the feedback, Mark Holland Vintage Want List: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck ================= To: , Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:28:18 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters Mac -- If it's a variation you need, I'd cross any T's and stray any lines as needed to cross it off my list! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters I have always considered myself a relatively sane collector, by which I mean I tend to pretend certain variations don't exist, and also that sets are complete without certain cards (33G Lajoie, 54B Williams, 57T checklists etc). Now in the middle of the T205 quest, I have wandered a bit from that convenient logic and thought, for example, so that I need Otis Crandall both with and without a crossed T. I still think I'll be able to avoid the Moran "stray line" variation fortunately. However, I now have a philosophical problem. I recently picked up my second A.Latham card. For those of you that don't know, this comes with two back versions--one that says W.A. Latham,one that says A.Latham. (The W.A. version being more difficult). This new pick up has a bit of paper missing in the upper left corner...enough so that the W is missing. There is just enough paper on the card to show the "." from the W., so clearly this is the version that I still need. The questionthat naturally follows...can I claim that this is the W.A. version despitethe W being missing? I should have never gone down this variation road... Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Oscars http://Movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007 ================= To: Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 19:35:17 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters Mac -- After rethinking it, why don't you write in a "P" or something and be the first to have that variation... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: Brockhattox@cs.com ; obcmac@hotmail.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philosophical Question for the variation hunters You can tell for sure depending on the back of the card. The W.A. versiononly comes with the Polar Bear or Sweet Cap. back. If it is either one of those, and you don't care about condition, consider it found. You can always write in the W. yourself. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" , Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:53:42 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Announcements server, and Paul Biggs, Dan Coen, Brian Dwyer, Tom Williams - are you out there? In conducting the membership poll, it has come to my attention that some ofthe email addresses that are attached to the Announcements server do not match the addresses on the directory page, and also that a few of us aren't even subscribed to the Announcements server. All of us card-carrying OBC members (both active and inactive) are required to be subscribed to at leastthe Announcements server so that important information can be passed on tothe entire membership at one time. Most of us are subscribed to the Ramblings and Thanks servers, which is good but not required. I encourage each of you to log into your Yahoo account and make sure your primary email address is current. If you are not subscribed to Announcements, or are not sure how to access the server, contact Mark Talbot - he is the main Announcements administrator. This would be very helpful to me, and I'm sure to otherAnnouncements Since my previous membership poll posts were made through the Announcementsserver, I'm hoping I can catch the remaining guys here. I'm getting bounced email from the four guys in the subject line - Paul, Dan, Brian and Tom,please contact me ASAP. I'm also waiting to hear from Bob Farrell, Richard Hankins, Tom Steinbroner, Jim Wiehe and Kevin Wolf. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 22:33:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Bill James Fans? Do we have any other Bill James fans out there? I ended up with an extra copy of Bill's wonderful "The Baseball Book 1992", free to a good home. Anybody? ================= Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:23:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: trying again on these AVAILABLES Hey, I haven't had much response, as there were only a handful of cards claimed among the hundreds of cards I offered... Check out the original post here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/15022 Okay, I originally had stated no second or third sets, but perhaps I could open it up for that... ================= Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 19:13:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "srittenberg" Subject: Cheap '62s at Sims http://68.178.160.179/index.php? Mantle $80 Clemente $25 I picked up some team cards and SPs. Plenty left for you. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 16:56:18 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Alaska In March, I just booked a trip to Fairbanks, Alaska. In addition to going to the last state west of the Mississippi, seeing the Northern Lights (hopefully), and spending time freezing with 3 of my high school buddies, I will be looking for anything to do that is interesting in or around Fairbanks. I know there is one OBCer familiar with Alaska (I think Tom Williams)...anybody else know anything? Any good card shops in Fairbanks? Maybe a show? PS An aside to Ken...before you bring it up, I will be very very very very very very very cold. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 22:52:15 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: snowy thanks Pulled out of the mailbox after it was uncovered from the snowdrift was a hefty package from Linda Fitak filled with all kinds of goodies. I mean to tell ya....not only are there a bunch of 60 and 62 Topps and 62 Postie to fill holes in those sets, but a bunch of oddball UV's and very interesting collection of cigarette cards, some even in foreign languages (a frigate bird kayakers Russian Olympic team flowers).Thanks a million, Linda. I'll have fun when we're snowed in and no school tomorrow trying to decide whether to start some new ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 20:39:25 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Anybody need to make a house payment? Looks like I'm going to have to shell out the cash to finish up my T206 collection. I sure wish I'd worked on the bigger ones a long time ago. If anybody has one I need that you'd be interested in selling please LMK. At least you'll know it went to a good home and won't get turned. The last few (achievable ones) I need are: Cobb - green Cobb - bat on Cobb - bat off Demmit-St Louis Elberfeld - Wash - portrait Young - portrait I know it may be tough to part with one of the above but I thought I'd try..... ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:38:44 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Cubs Book OBCers -- Is anyone interested in a book called "For the Love of the Cubs: An A-Z Primer for Cubs Fans of all Ages"? It's great for an aspiring Cubs fan who is learning their alphabet and teaches them some great Cub names from the past in the process. The drawings are outstanding. Somehow, we ended up with two of them, so one is up for grabs! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 05:33:01 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: OBC-style 30s Goudey lot on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/1934-1936-GOUDEY-8-card-lot-FAIR-GOOD-Ferrell-more_W0QQitemZ150086964103QQihZ005QQcategoryZ44821QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Low grade and low bidding price so far, 34 through 36 Goudey. Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. http://farechase.yahoo.com/promo-generic-14795097 ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 08:58:17 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Reminder for Warwick, RI show this Saturday Hi all (and especially NE OBCers), Saturday, Feb 3rd is the 30th Cranston Sports Collectors Show in Warwick, RI. It's been a great show in past years, if a little smaller than the Shriners show in Wilmington. Ken, Bob Donaldson, and I each plan to attend. Dropa line if you'd like to join us! For direction purposes, here you go: West Valley Inn 4 Blossom St West Warwick, RI 02893 (401) 822-2834 No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:30:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "srittenberg" Subject: 61 Mantle AS and Spahn AS at Sims $75 for #578 Mantle AS (VG) $15 for #589 Spahn AS (VG) http://68.178.160.179/index.php?categoryID1177&offset450 Good prices? You decide. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:30:56 EST To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: AOL Hometown I don't know about you, but it is becoming increasingly frustrating to deal with any web pages that use the AOL Hometown system. It seems that more often than not, there are significant delays in getting transferred to a web page, if you are lucky enough to get transferred at all before being timed out. I am not sure what other low cost/no cost alternatives there are, but I would strongly encourage anyone using AOL Hometown to consider another vendor. gary mandell ================= Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:53:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Speaking of Exhibits..... I will occasionally go up to $20 for an Exhibit card, depending on timing. Last week, I did on three cards, and being naive, thought I had a chance to win all three. They were '47-66 Stanky, Ward and Kranepool. The ebayers sure did put me in my place on those. Stanky went for $102! Kranepool and Ward are closing tomorrow, currently at $45 each! Yikes! A fellow exhibit collector told me recently that the "last hundred are the toughest", and he surely is turning out to be ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:59:50 EST To: wguthrie@axint.net, Smartalecx@aol.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] AOL Hometown I havent had problems either