================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:29:28 -0700 From: Peter Iversen Subject: Fw: Van Lingle Mungo Hey all - I got a cool e-mail the other day that I wanted to share with you all... ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Pamela Espinoza" To: Subject: Van Lingle Mungo I am honored that you have such an interest in Van Lingle Mungo. He was not only entertaining on the field but with friends and family as well. The temper they speak of was rarely seen at home. His passion for "The Game" was obviously pretty intense! Granddaughter of Van Lingle Mungo I am not sure what I will write back - but something... It is great to get mail from a relative of one of my obsessions... marcpeter/Peter ================= Date: 2 Jun 2006 16:02:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: 53 Color Bowman availables I just recently picked up about 90 trimmed color Bowmans, of which I needed about 70 for my set. There are 18 dupes available. I'll post the numbers below. If you are working on this set send me your needs and I'll try to spread 'em out to hit as many lists as I can. Other than being trimmed, these cards are in pretty good shape with few creases. 53 Color Bowman: 2 3 4 5 7 9(Rizzuto) 10(Ashburn) 14 15 17 20 22 25 31 48 50 54 103 In addition, I have two more that are cutouts of the players image #120 and ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:37:01 EDT To: waajr@comcast.net, GwenAnders@aol.com, battridge@kslaw.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: I Can't Believe Walmart Did this to ME!! Can you believe that the Gulf Shores Wal-Mart sent this letter to Debbie!!! I am going to switch my business to Target. Dear Mrs. Hattox: Over the past six months, your husband, Mr. Brock Hattox, has been causing quite a commotion in our store. We cannot tolerate this type of behavior and have considered banning the entire family from shopping in any of our stores. We have documented all incidents on our video surveillance equipment. Three of our clerks are attending counseling from the trouble your husband has caused. All complaints against Mr. Hattox have been compiled and are listed below. MEMO: RE: Mr. Brock Hattox - Complaints - Things Mr. Brock Hattox has done when his spouse was sent him to do the grocery shopping our store: 1. June 15: Took 24 boxes of condoms and randomly put them in people's carts when they weren't looking. 2. July 2: Set all the alarm clocks in Housewares to go off at 5- minute intervals. 3. July 7: Made a trail of tomato juice on the floor leading to the restrooms. 4. July 19: Walked up to an employee and told her in an official tone, 'Code 3' in housewares..... and watched what happened. 5. August 4: Went to the Service Desk and asked to put a bag of M&M's on layaway. 6. September 14: Moved a 'CAUTION - WET FLOOR' sign to a carpeted area. 7. September 15: Set up a tent in the camping department and told other shoppers he'd invite them in if they'll bring pillows from the bedding department. 8. September 23: When a clerk asks if they can help him, he begins to cry and asks, 'Why can't you people just leave me alone?' 9. October 4: Looked right into the security camera; used it as a mirror, and picked his nose. 10. November 10: While handling guns in the sports/hunting department, asked the clerk if he knows where the antidepressants are. 11. December 3: Darted around the store suspiciously loudly humming the "Mission Impossible" theme. 12. December 6: In the auto department, practiced his "Madonna look" using different size funnels. 13. December 18: Hid in a clothing rack and when people browse through, yelled "PICK ME!" "PICK ME!" 14. December 21: When an announcement came over the loud speaker, he assumes the fetal position and screams "NO! NO! It's those voices again!!!!" And; last, (but not least!) 15. December 23: Went into a fitting room, shut the door and waited awhile; then, yelled, very loudly, "There is no toilet paper in here!" ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:26:42 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1974 trade bait with Variation Hello All, I have the following 1974 #55(frank robinson ex #50 carew ex- #300 rose vg+ #654 alou erroer without position on front nrmt I need the following: 1974 variations #309(nat'l),599b(under frisieben-san diego large print) Any hero's out there Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:42:43 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1956 Topps Hocus Focus set An eBay seller has most of the 1956 HF set up right now, which includes the Ted Williams, Jackie Robinson, and 10 others. Don't know if anyone's actually working on the set, but I only want one card, the #5 Williams. I've already made a $325 bid on the lot with just the Williams in mind. However, it might not be enough for the whole lot. If another OBCer is interested in picking up the other cards, contact me and we'll work out the details. Don't see the set around much--it's only the second Williams I remember on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8819679357&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBI%3AIT&rd=1 Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:49:58 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Looking for Michael Jordan #57 Rookie card..Help I am in need of a Jordan Rookie card #57....from the 86' Fleer basketball set.....If any of you guys have 1 to trade....I would like to see what you want for it......in trade or cards+ cash.......Or.................. I-have been looking on Evil bay for a while....and need help determining what might be a fake Jordan, or a real Jordan....I am not too sharp on this...but figure you guys are sharp and might tell me how to avoid frauds. and or Any help greatly appreciated. Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:58:36 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Available: Bartosz postcards Picked up a lot of Bob Bartosz this week. Just needed the Garvey, so the others are open season. All are 3.25" x 5.5" and unused as postcards. Jay Johnstone (Phillies) Jerry Mumphrey (Cardinals) Tony Taylor (Phillies) - bonus! autographed Barry Foote (Cubs) Dave Kingman (Cubs) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: 3 Jun 2006 16:50:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: 53 color Bowmans gone They've all been had. I'll try to get 'em out quickly. ================= Date: 3 Jun 2006 16:58:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Tattoo Orbit help I'm down to two cards on the R305 Tattoo Orbit set, Dean and Levey (no condition requirements). I have 4 Tattoo Orbit dupes including two HOFers (Jackson and Averill) that I can hit back with as well some other prewar stuff (about 20 1933 WWG dupes and a few more other prewars). Can anybody help?? I'll try to make it worth your while. ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:30:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: A card of a player i had not seen in 48-49 Leaf set. On today's local card shop bid board is a card of a player i have not seen before in the 48-49 Leaf set.I frequently see these Leaf Cards at shows and sometimes on the local card shop bid board but on this week's board which closes today at 4PM there is a card of Virgil Trucks.I didn't know that player was in that set until i saw the card on the bid I seem to see the same players over an over again in this set showing up at dealers tables at shows so it is nice to see this card of Virgil Trucks who i didn't even know was in the set.I hope i win the card because i was at the card shop yesterday and i was high bidder at 75 ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 18:24:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Walmart complaints against Brock-he forgot # 16 < In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, brockhattox@... wrote: Can you believe that the Gulf Shores Wal-Mart sent this letter to Debbie!!! I am going to switch my business to Target. Dear Mrs. Hattox: All complaints against Mr. Hattox have been compiled and are listed below.> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Since there were only 15 complaints mentioned in Brock's post here is # 16- # 16- April 1, 2006--Brock to be removed by security guards from the store manager's office after he was heard yelling obscenities at the store manager after he demanded to know why there were no boxes of 1952 Topps Hi #'s in Wal Marts stock room. Apparently Brock related to the store manager that a Wal Mart dept manager had alerted him to the fact there were 2 cases of unopened 1952 Topps Hi #'s in the stock room that the store failed to return to Topps in 1952 but were just gathering dust because they were prohibited from selling them because of hard, bad chewing gum in the When Brock offered to pay 2X the price of the packs or 10 cents each the dept. manager eagerly said, "sure guy, you can have both cases at 10 cents a pack but don't sue us if you get sick chewing the gum."The the dept. manager was heard to have mumbled, "what fool would pay 10 cents a pack for 54 year old baseball cards when no one even wants the cards from last year!" ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:51:24 EDT To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: A thank you and some unfinished business First of all, I want to thank Carlos Alcazar for 46 OPC's (9 '70s and 37 '77s) in today's mail, including HOFers Reggie Jackson and Rollie Fingers and a big contingent of my Red Sox players, including George "Taters" Scott. Quite a surprise Carlos and much appreciated. In the unfinished business category, before I decided to move to the inactive list I made two mistakes that I want to address. In both cases, I made waiver claims on cards and, when they arrived, I found that my record keeping was faulty and I already had them. I promised the two gracious contributors that I would offer them up to OBCers in their names. Anyway, here goes. If anyone is interested in these cards, just let me know, FCFS and please include your From Ken Morganti - a '53 Bowman color #88 with a missing lower right corner (Joe Dobson) From Peter Mead - a '61 Postie #167 in decent shape with some minor creasing (Duke Snider) Remember, FCFS ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 01:33:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken M" Subject: Re: A card of a player i had not seen in 48-49 Leaf set. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Linda" wrote: > On today's local card shop bid board is a card of a player i have not > seen before in the 48-49 Leaf set.I frequently see these Leaf Cards at > shows and sometimes on the local card shop bid board but on this week's > board which closes today at 4PM there is a card of Virgil Trucks.I > didn't know that player was in that set until i saw the card on the bid > board. > I seem to see the same players over an over again in this set showing > up at dealers tables at shows so it is nice to see this card of Virgil > Trucks who i didn't even know was in the set.I hope i win the card > because i was at the card shop yesterday and i was high bidder at 75 > cents.-Linda 75 CENTS!?!? If you win that card for anything under $75, you should be reported for theft. In fact, at the prices I've been paying for the SP's in the 48-49 Leaf set (they're so scarce that it might explain why you didn't even know Trucks was in the set) it would be almost worth it for me to fly to CA and put in a dollar bid myself. Man, I thought I practically got away with murder when I bought one on eBay for $35 over the holiday weekend. It was a low grade Casimer Michaels card that wasn't tagged as an SP in the description... and the holiday probably took a lot of the bidders away, so it fell through the cracks. If you win the Trucks card, I'll offer you twenty times what you paid for it (and it'll be the cheapest one I've ever bought) ;-) Ken M ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 22:41:25 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: OBCers I have met list Just checking to make sure I havnt neglected to list any one I have met in person gimme a reply if you qualify thanks guys ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 21:06:36 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: A card of a player i had not seen in 48-49 Leaf set. > If > you do > win the Trucks card, I'll offer you twenty times what you paid for it (and > it'll still > be the cheapest one I've ever bought) ;-) And of course Trucks is the #5 card for that set. Good thing I have it, or we'd risk an OBC bidding war... :) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:40:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Brett" Subject: Re: Working in Cuba Now Long late response...but at the time of this claim, I was working in Singapore. Since then, I've been in Holland...so I'm still a full time zone further east... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "geno.wagner" wrote: > I suppose that makes me our Eastern-most member now, just nudging out Glenn by about a degree of latitude... > Good Luck, Lynn! > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lynn Miller > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2006 3:21 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Working in Cuba Now > Hi Gang, > I've been here just over a week now. Working for the same > that I worked for in Diego Garcia, Burns & Roe, doing services > contracts for U.S. Naval Station, Guantanamo Bay. Same job, > manager. Wheels started about a month ago when they called me > asked me if I was interested in the position which unexpectedly > vacant. Wasn't an easy decision though because it meant leaving > family again, and this time it's a full year at a time between > vacations. But thanks to modern technology I'm still in touch > webcam and VOIP, so it's not as bad due to that. My new > address is PSC 1005 Box 99, FPO AE 09593 and better to use my > email while I am here, obclynn15@... That's my Yahoo IM also. > Not sure I will have much spare time in the beginning, a lot > demands and it's a 6 day workweek. But I will do my best. Steve, you > know what this means, we can finally complete the transaction. > let me know. Linda, good to see you back also. > Nice to be able to see games at normal hours now, yeah! Doesn't look > like it's my year in the Fantasy league though, yuk. > Take care, Lynn > SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector > Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:06:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Turning over a new "Leaf"- 4 to be exact I won the Virgil Trucks Leaf card on the local card shop bid board yesterday for $1.75.I got outbid at 75 cents and then increased my bid to $1.25 and got outbid again but i got in a winning bid of $1.75 just before the bell rang at 4 o'clock. Like they say at the card shop on Saturdays-4 o'clock is for whom the bell tolls.Or when the bell rings the high bidder pays up and gets the card(s) he/she won. Mike Rich kindly informed me a few days ago the Trucks Leaf is a valuable card and so i thought it was worth raising my bids to a few dollars if necessary to win it. Since it is such a valuable card i thought i would share a scan of it along with 3 other Leaf cards i picked up in past weeks on the bid board.Two are of players i have never heard of-Eddie Stevens and George Vico and the other card is of a player i am very familiar with. All 4 cards are pictured in the photos section here in an album entitled "Leaf Cards"--Linda ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:57:23 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Baseball game cancelled OBCers -- My trip to Arizona had been canned, which I'm rather grateful for because I had other things I wanted to do around here anyway. However, the downside is that I won't be able to take my Brit friends to a baseball game. They love making fun of baseball, saying it's a girl's game inspired by rounders. I always tell them that some girls do play it, but most girls play soccer - that really pisses them off! Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:22:47 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: You have to see this auction! OBCers -- Check this guy's cards out - a true OBC collection!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8820189334&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1 Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 00:16:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1963 Exhibit Availables Hi guys, Seven Exhibit cards from the 1963 statbacks on the waiver wire tonight. They came as part of a bigger lot, described as printer rejects by the seller, and you can believe it. Bad photo exposure, doubleprinting, especially of the player name script, and of course, come complete with the usual creasing and bad corners. The backs are in nice shape, though, and you can't beat the price. Most of them would at least make decent fillers. Anybody got a good home for these: Francona, Gentile, Aparcio, Burdette, Mathews, Colavito, Pinson. Please include mailing address when making a claim. ================= Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:00:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Older Football and Hockey available These are winnings from last Saturdays Card shop bid board.The older football and hockey cards on the bid board usually go for the opening bid of 25 cents (if anyone bids on them at all) because there doesn't seem to be as much interest in the cards as baseball.Condition of these range from poor to Ex.These are available and would appreciate any Anthony Davis-USC running back or especially Gary Beban-UCLA quarterback cards during their short pro careers if possible. 1948 Leaf FB #12-"Flash" Swiacki-N.Y.Giants 1960 Fleer FB #89-Sam DeLuca-Los Angeles Chargers???-(Did the Chargers play in LA before moving to San Diego?) 1960 Fleer FB #120-Elvin Caldwell 1961 Fleer FB #110-John Olszewski--too bad i didn't have this card when i was in elementary school. the players # is 0 (has to be uncommon) and i remember a classmate who wanted any football card with the players number a zero.He would trade Mantle topps cards for football player zero cards. 1961 Fleer FB #116-Bob Toneff-Redskins 1960 Fleer FB #52-Buddy Mayfield-Oilers 1960 Fleer FB #87-Jerry Cornelison-Dallas Texans 57-58 Topps Hockey #52-Guy Gendron-N.Y.Rangers 62-63 Topps Hockey #51-Earl Ingarfield-N.Y.Rangers 58-59 Parkhurst Hockey #5-Albert Langlois 60-61 Topps Hockey #12-Murray Balfour-Chicago Black Hawks 62-63 Parkhurst Hockey #1-Bill Harris-Toronto 58-59 Topps Hockey #7-John Hanna-N.Y.Rangers 54-55 Parkhurst Hockey #62-Gus Bodnar 53-54 Parkhurst Hockey #54-Jack Evans-N.Y.Rangers 55-56 Parkhurst Hockey #54-Bob Turner ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:26:02 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Two more more Bartosz postcard availables Three postcards went out today, but these hard-to-find examples remain. I assume they're from the run of cards Bob Bartosz did in the 70s, though these are unnumbered. Claim one or both! Mumphrey - Cards Kingman - Cubs Please include your address for superfast shipping. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 17:57:12 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: You have to see this auction! The ebay lot you pointed out looks like the OBC Hall of Fame. What a tremendous collection of terrible cards. The 52 Bowman Spahn has to be believed on faith since you can't tell there is really anyone on the cardboard. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:33:51 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Updated home address list? Hi all, Does anyone have an updated home address list? The last one I am able to locate was dated Feb. 1st; I was getting ready to send some envelopes out & need an updated list in order to do so. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:42:36 -0700 (PDT) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Updated home address list? Hi Tom, Ran into this myself the other day. If you want an online version, check out: http://oldbaseball.com/OBCWCW/Login.php?action=obcdir The online version's been around for a while and the OBC-AC is working on a good way to promote this to everyone. Does this work for you? --- directorth@aol.com wrote: > Hi all, > Does anyone have an updated home address list? The last one I am able to > locate was dated Feb. 1st; I was getting ready to send some envelopes out & > need > an updated list in order to do so. > Thanks! > Tom Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 16:08:18 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: California SportsCards I believe someone from California Sports cards posted a coupon number for 10% off. Does anyone have that number? ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:28:15 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: chicago sportsfest anyone planning on hitting the show this weekend. would like to meet up with anyone who will be there at noon on saturday. plmk. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 00:43:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Chicago visit June 16-18 I will be coming to Chicago for the Cubs vs. Tigers game on Saturday June 17. I plan on driving up on the 16th and leaving on the 18th. If anyone wants to get together or can put me up for 1 or 2 nites, plmk. Also can use the name and location of any good card shops. Too bad I will miss the big show this weekend. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:49:25 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: is there a ball player in the family tree? I teach a course in Advanced Placement U.S. History. For the course research project this year the assignment was to research, do oral interviews with family members and others, and write a narrative of the student's family history going back at five generations or more. It's always interesting to see what the kids find out about their kinfolk. Paul quoted from the last letter his grandfather wrote in World War II before being killed in France. Clayton mentioned how his grandfather had moved to Texas in the 60's but came back to PA after only a couple months because he thought the small company he was working for had no future and now visibly cringes whenever Texas Instruments is mentioned. And then there is John. Probably about the brightest kid in the class, but a little lazy and scatterbrained at times. I scanned through his paper and saw nothing of particular interest. I asked the class if any of them had found anything interesting they would like to share. John mentioned that one of his relatives had been a professional baseball player. I asked where and he said Cleveland. Said the guy's name was Addie Joss. I asked John if he was kidding. He said he wasn't. I asked if he included Joss in his paper since he was a HOFer. John said he hadn't because he wasn't aware of that. (a basic rule of interviewing - follow up!) I told him to write a supplement to his paper about Joss and show his relationship. Next day John comes in with a family tree, showing Joss as a great-uncle on one side of his mothers family. On the other side of his mom's family is another great-uncle, Carl Jung. I asked John if that was the eminent psychiatrist Jung and he said yes. Did he include that in his paper? Nope, so I told him I'd flunk him if he didn't do the paper over and include those two "nobodies". His supplemental submission on those two and their place in the family was twice as long as his original paper. He also included photos of Joss, a copy of his complete major league record and family anecdotes. No mention was made of Jung's pitching style or ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:33:02 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1938 Churchman Tobacco Cigarette Boxing card question Hello All, I have a 45 card lead on this 50 card set. Does anyone happen to have a checklist so I can see who I am missing? I think I am missing a jack Dempsey but hoping for more direction Thanks in advance ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:42:19 EDT To: judgeguy@juno.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] is there a ball player in the family tree? Get this kid to the SABR website and have him order Addie Joss: King of Pitchers... a great read and interesting... ================= To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:02:43 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Free baseball books! OBCers -- About a year ago, I mentioned a cool site called Titletrader. Basically, you post old books, movies, CDs, magazines, etc and if somebody requests one you send it to them free. In return, you get a point to request something from someone else. I think you get three points just for joining (it's free). For book junkies like me, it's a great way to recycle old paperbacks and pickup some favorite authors. I also pick up some good baseball gems now and again. If you are interested, check it out at http://www.titletrader.com/main.php If you want to join and get me a free point in the process, let me know and I'll send you an automated email that will give me a point. If you don't want to bother with that, that's fine. Hope you guys enjoy it! Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 20:05:00 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Sign-up link OBCers -- Actually, if you sign up through this link, I'll get a point without me having to send you an email! http://www.titletrader.com/refer.php?name=illini90 Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 00:42:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: Shameless Ebay shilling Sorry about this, but I'm going to do a little shameless Ebay shilling for my brother in law. He is not a sports fan, but has stumbled on the all-time treasure trove of sports stuff that we all dream of. He has made friends with an old fellow that was formerly involved with the Cleveland Coliseum, and the old gent has sold or given him many items. He is well aware of the value of the stuff. The man had piles of autographed baseballs and basketballs that would make you cry. They have no COAs or anything like that - but they are There were boxes after boxes of autographed books by sports figures, boxes of bobbleheads, you name it. Rich has put a few things up on Ebay, including a Ted Williams ball. He has a basketball that Steve Kerr used in a three point contest, lots of other neat things. The stuff that is up now is just the tip of the iceberg. There is quite a bit of Cavs, Indians, and Pirates stuff to come. Check out the auctions by ritch46. BTW - I'm not getting anything out of this. I'll keep you posted. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:22:37 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Update on california Sportscards The discount code for California Sports cards provided by Peter Mead initially did not work. However I emailed Zach and it is all set at least until the end of the month. Thier web site is pretty good and I was able to find some oddballs (Hostess, Kellogs, OPC, Fleer) using the search function. The web site is http://www.californiasportscards.com/ and the code to enter at checkout is 5531766. ================= Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:30:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Atlanta I will be heading out to Atlanta on the 14th. My wife has a national trainers conference that she is attending. I will have some free time thrusday and friday mornings. Can anyone recommend a card shop or baseball activity. (We will be staying downtown and we did not rent a car.) I am planning on taking the tour of Turner Field. My wife and I will also be attending games on Friday and Saturday. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks ================= Date: 9 Jun 2006 14:24:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: prewar duplicates I've listed my prewar duplicates at the bottom of my prewar wantlist. These are available for trade for prewar hits.. Thanks for looking ================= To: "obc Ramblings" , Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:30:58 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Lost Walker, Lost Apologies, and Thanks My friends and fellow traders, While I have had the time, I am sorry, but I have not had the physical strength to sit at a computer and write to anyone. I truly wish I could write an individual letter each and every one of you, because the Email continuesto pour in and the envelopes continue to pile up and I most sincerely appreciate it. You are all truly very special. However, due to a serious automobile accident that completely totaled my pickup and nearly sapped the entire life out of me, I have not been able to do a thing for many, many months. While at a dead stop on the freeway due to a traffic back-up, I was rear-ended by an uninsured motorist who was traveling near 80 mph. No job, no auto and barely able to move. The whiplash was so vicious that the pain in my head, neck, shoulders and all down my torso, kept me completely confined and out of touch. I was forced to leave the house and stay with family until I could finally start getting up. I still don't believe it, but the doctors claim the only permanent damage is to a few nerves, so for that, I am extremely fortunate. A family member even brought over a gifta while back, but I couldn't open it on my own. I had them unwrap it for me, and when they did, I was presented with a brand new, hobby box of 06 Topps. I had them remove the shrink wrap from the box and open a pack for me, but that is as far as it got. Whoo hoo... ... ...ya gotta just love the smell of that fresh UV, eh? Ha, I didn't have the energy or the heart to ask where my bubble gum was. My head heart too much to chew anything anyway. One half flipped through pack and the rest is still completely untouched. ...just too much pain! Meanwhile, it is still slow going, but I am finally up, back home, looking for new wheels and a new job, and since the envelopes that have arrived in the mail are now so many that they are sliding off my card table, I know itis time to get back into it. I just browsed through more than a week of Email, yet the little number on the bottom, status bar, of Outlook Express shows I still have 7515 pieces of mail to go through. Seventy five HUNDRED pieces of mail? Oh my! I WILL get to all of this, and I WILL try to find some way to climb and reach the card boxes that I have up on high shelves so I can start finding some returns to put back in the mail. My doctor is telling me that I should have been ready for this weeks ago and that it would be good therapy to start a little bending, stretching and lifting. I HATE exercise, and pain, so I've been acting like a wimp about it, but hey, if I get to look at the faces of a few new hits to my wants, it will be worth it. It's going to take some time, but I will catch up to everyone. Sorry for the long read, but thanks for understanding. ================= Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:09:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Fool me once shame on you... Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! or you bet i am making a list and checking it MORE than twice. I would like to ask if anyone else here makes a list like i do of ebay sellers by their ID who grossly overgrade cards so they can avoid ever bidding on any of their cards again.I sure do. Let me define my definition of "grossly overgrading" as any seller who misrepresents the grade of a single or lot of cards by identifying them as EX or better and in actuality when you receive them they have a lot of creases or damage and are in poor to good condition at best. I just wonder if any other OBCer does this also. There are 4 really major offenders on my ebay list of rip off artists.How many are on yours?-Linda ================= Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:35:23 EDT To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Card show availables Hi gang, I decided last night at work that I'd take a trip to the monthly card show that I get e-mails promoting, but usually ignore. I figured the stars had aligned and it was a good time to go... it's a rare occasion that I have cash in my pocket (one of the drawbacks of having your checks direct deposited is you never have any cash to spend - which is probably a good thing in my case). Other contributing factors were that I missed the last Ft. Washington show and was getting "carboard DT's" I guess you could call it. Plus, the weather outside was pretty miserable, so there really wan't anything better to do anyway. The e-mail says there's 70 tables at this show, but I'd call them on that claim... and most of the dealers have two tables apiece, so the selection isn't what you might be led to belive. Still, there was a good amount of vintage material to browse - although most of it was either really nice or really expensive or both. One of the lowlights was a very ragged looking 1958 Mantle AS card that was marked: "BV $175 Sell $100". Personally, I would've felt ripped off handing over a twenty for the card, so it'll probably be there forever. There were a few dealers with off grade stuff at more reasonble prices, so I managed to pick up a few hits to my FB lists... and a few dupes because I didn't bother to cross anything off my list as I went from one table to the next. I grabbed a couple extras of the traded checklists (74 and 76) because I can never remember which one is on everyone's lists. A 1978 #206 LL with Ryan was had for a buck, but then I discovered one already in my binder, so apparently it wasn't one I was looking to send out to someone and couldn't find. Other dollar box finds were a 1956 #299, a 1957 mid series #292, and a 1967 hi #547 (which I later found out was a DP ::sigh::). About the only card I know I got a good deal on was the Ozzie Smith RC for $5 - I'm pretty sure I can kill someone's set with that one. The last purchase I want to mention is a few of the unmarked 1973 blue team checklists - I also won a couple eBay lots of these and finished off my set with the '**' and '*' variations. I have about three dozen extras, including a near complete set, missing only the Angels, Braves and Reds I think. There's also a bunch of the asterisk variations, so if you're insane like me and have a short list, shoot it over to me and I'll see if I can help. Most of them are marked, since I upgraded a lot in my binder. Also, if you need any of the other cards I mentioned, PLMK. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 21:25:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Helmar news For those of you who have just (finally) finished your Helmar caramel corn & chips, here's an announcement from the Helmar Brewing home page: UPDATE: Art is being prepared for the next series of Helmar Trading Cards. Release date uncertain. There are samples on the home page of Pete Gray & Daffy Dean. Looks like we might have a new set to add sometime this year (I hope). ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:37:40 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Travelin 'Man Ramblin'Thanks! OBC Family, The last couple of weeks I have been on the road more than I have been home. Mostly for work, but one trip was self-inflicted. Grab a snack and listento the tale if you please... I drove up to Washington to catch up with my PNWOBCer troupe, stopping first in Olympia to visit Dave Fallen. He guided me into a restaurant at which I needed to refuel after the first 5 hours of driving. Dave picked up the tab and handed me a pair of 51 Bowmans!! Whadda guy !! I drove on to meet Mikey D on his secluded Whidbey Island where ferry traffic and sailing times mean that you can almost SEE his house, but it takes hours to get there...it was worth the wait though as Mikeeeee treated me to some room and board ( and some 50 Bowmans!!!) Next day we drove to Seattle where we would eventually met up with Big Al Cummings, The Patron Saint of Foiled Plans, Unexpected Turns and Witty Insults. He was late. Al directed me to Mark Macrae's table at the Seattle Center Card show and the stack of 62 Green Tints. Although I didn't have my list, I knew which ones didn't look familiar. I pulled a healthy stack ...and then HE BOUGHT THEM FOR ME! Whadda guy!! Bumped into Dave Fallen again...who was dejectedly looking for Seattle Popcorn cards. His spirits picked up some when he found some Angels Popcorn cards (a weak substitute I suppose). Dave checked his watch and left just in time to miss Al's arrival...whew, that was close!! Then the fun began!!! We had tickets to the Mariners game that evening and several hours to kill. Imagine 3 OBCers prowling the mean streets of C-Attle without their wives, what perils would our heroes encounter??...Then remember that it was Mike and Al and myself... false alarm, Seattle! We were hungry as usual. Al drove us to the other side of town where Safecois. We wanted food but then decided we should take the bus back to the other side of town where we left the tickets (DOH!!). Hey, I told you we had time to kill but no clue how to kill it !! Another tour of Seattle produced the tickets and my car again so that we wouldn't get lost after the game...whatever that means...we parked across thestreet in the same lot as Big Al's touring vessel. Great plan, but where'sAl?? We ate a few times while looking for him. Found him resting up at a picnic table so that the insults could continue....Grant was heavily abused for his Game was about to start, we got some cool cards for going through the gates. We had to trade with other fans to complete the set. The OBCers3 were naturals at that concept and we had three complete sets within 20 minutes, 10 of which were reserved for another BBQ sandwich. Mariners jump out early. We broke Sexton and Beltre out of their slumps andIchiro belted the ball all over the park. M's win 12-1 over KC. They needed us ! Took me about 11 hours to get home again, as I missed the ferry departure by just a few minutes. Drank a pot of coffee and drove home after a quick pizza stop in Port Townsend... I'll be back on the road for 3 days starting in the morning. I doubt that the fun of this last trip will be duplicated. There is nothing like OBC-Live events. Love it ! Thanks for reading !!! OBC Forever ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:43:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Who would like to vote on an OBC All-Time All Star Team? Not sure if this has been done before but I'd like to use the great knowledge in the group to create an all-star team.... who would you pick??? Here's what I'd like to do.... 1) Starting this week we can rotate thru the positions and nominate our candidates for each position..... the nominations can be simple or in depth as to why that person is worthy... and everyone can feel free to chime in with his or her feelings on the candidates during the week (as I'm sure everyone will!!) (nominations can be posted to the whole group ..let's post to Ramblings with title OBCATT- 2)After each position (after 1 week of nominations) has it's nominees any member can cast one vote for that position thru an e- mail to me (since it's my idea I volunteer to do the work!!) with the voting open until we vote on all positions. That way everyone has an opportunity to make his/her case for their nominee before voting begins. 3) How about 1 person at each position - 3 outfielders -- 5 starting pitchers and 2 relievers... (or open to any suggestions) OK Why don't we start with Catchers?? Let's get our nominees in for OBCATT-Catcher this week.... let's take nominees until next Sunday!! Remember sell your pick...or they might only get your vote!! If there are enough votes maybe we can make a 2nd and 3rd team as well.... Brian Betza P.S. Hope I'm not stepping on any toes by doing this... just thought it would be fun with the summer and lots of baseball ahead of us !! ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 15:39:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 74 alou question as i went to put away the 1974 jesus alou # 654 card with no position showing in the front, i realize that i have it already. my beckett shows two cards: 654 ERR, and 654 NPOF. if i assume that NPOF means no position outfield, what is the ERR card? or is the an outfield card and a no position card? if there is an outfield card, i need one if anyone has a spare. tnx, gm ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:48:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables Howdy folks, One last '63 Exhibit looking for a good home, Roger Maris. Like the others, believe me when I tell you, this one's in rough shape. Severe and numerous print spots, overprinting of the facsimile autograph. Can't beat the price, though. Anybody got a good home for Roger? Please include mailing address if interested. Also, while I'm at it, here are three others looking for a good home: 1961 Post Tommy Davis, tape and water damage, but displays decently. 1972 Kellogs Xograph All-Time Greats, Walter Johnson and John McGraw. Johnson's in great shape, McGraw has some cracks. ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 13:37:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "kevin71058" Subject: Baseball Laughs Medium Rare Story Al Spohrer, the former Braves catcher, prided himself on his ability as a needler. One day the mighty Rogers Hornsby came up at a critical point, and Al, knowing Hornsby's liking for steak, attempted to mar the Raj's concentration. "I've found the best steak joint in town, Raj," murmured Spohrer. "Steak two inches thick, smothered in onions. How do you like it cooked, Raj? I want you to be my guest after the game." The pitcher delivered and Hornsby drove one into the seats. As he crossed the plate, he called to Spohrer, "Medium rare. What time?" ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 13:42:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Sportsfest find Last weekend, Sportsfest hit Chicago. I was there in the afternoon Friday and made my usual trek to see the King of Commons, Bill Henderson. Bill did not have as many boxes of commons available that he usually has, but I managed to sift through a few of them. One box was not yet sorted, but Bill let me rummage through. Among the many cards in the box were two autographs. One was an 83 Ryne Sandberg. The King couldn't confirm its authenticity. The second was a reproduced 65 card signed by MARK TALBOT. I couldn't believe. it. I asked Bill if he knew this famous ballplayer. Bill said he must have picked up the card in Philadelphia.ALthough the card did not have the trademark OBC stamped on it (VCT was in its place), it was truly a great find. I decided to leave the card with Bill in hopes that Mark might find his way to someone in either of his trading groups. I am not sure if the usual group met up Saturday. I was there in the afternoon, but too late to meet for lunch. On the floor, I didn't bump into anyone. I hope all in attendance had a good time. Next big show is in November. Hope to see everyone there. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 17:50:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: 1975 Topps help needed-question I'm thinking of adding the 1975 Topps all-star cards to my wantlist. I believe the cards are the players regular card for that year and have a star on the players position with NL or AL all-star listed. Anyone have an idea how to get a checklist together for these cards? Since it's the regular issue for the player there doesn't look to be any distinction in the card guides I've looked at.. Any ideas would be appreciated! Brian Betza ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 20:38:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Waiting for the National and OBC "legendary" dealers I am waiting for the National next month in Anaheim, Calif. near where i live and finally being able to check out the legendary OBC dealers like Mark Macrae i have heard so much about who sell vintage cards way cheaper than dealers at local shows here.I want to find these East Coast OBC dealers at the National who sell 53 Topps in VG for 50 cents to a $1 a card because here they are $5 and up at shows.Even on ebay the best deal i can find on a lot of them is not less than $3 a card and i have to bid on many lots of them to win one lot at $3 a card.I never win them for less.I just won a lot of 53 topps on ebay-# 8820750889- But as usual the lowest i can win them for is $3 a card. At the National i can't wait to find Mark Macrae and other East Coast OBC friendly dealers who are attending the show and step up to their table and say, "I am in OBC.Do you have any 53 topps in vg for $1 each? I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them." Same thing for 49,50,53 Bowmans.-"Any of those in VG for $1 each.I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them also."-Linda ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:07:26 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiting for the National and OBC "legendary" dealers I only have (1) National under my belt Linda, so my impressions may be limited but be prepared to see some high priced "entombed" cards as well. Sure, Savage, Zimmerman, Macrae, Turdot, Newfieldt and others may be on hand with low priced commons but even these guys get a good price for star cards and Hi numbers. At the National in Chicago last year I got a kick out of seeing very rare items (things that are way out of my budget) up close and personal. Some dealers will actually let you examine and hold these very rare cards (although most are sizing you up to see if you might actually be a buying customer) and answer your questions about them. Some dealers may leave you questioning their sanity (I witnessed Bill Henderson accuse our Ken Morganti of swiping something from his table - astounding as it is absurd!!!). Nonetheless I am sure you will find deals Linda as you are a savvy card buyer, but most of all you will enjoy hanging out with other OBC'ers and swapping storie s and comradery. ENJOY - wish I could be there. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" I am waiting for the National next month in Anaheim, Calif. near where i live and finally being able to check out the legendary OBC dealers like Mark Macrae i have heard so much about who sell vintage cards way cheaper than dealers at local shows here.I want to find these East Coast OBC dealers at the National who sell 53 Topps in VG for 50 cents to a $1 a card because here they are $5 and up at shows.Even on ebay the best deal i can find on a lot of them is not less than $3 a card and i have to bid on many lots of them to win one lot at $3 a card.I never win them for less.I just won a lot of 53 topps on ebay-# 8820750889- But as usual the lowest i can win them for is $3 a card. At the National i can't wait to find Mark Macrae and other East Coast OBC friendly dealers who are attending the show and step up to their table and say, "I am in OBC.Do you have any 53 topps in vg for $1 each? I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them." Same thing for 49,50,53 Bowmans.-"Any of those in VG for $1 each.I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them also."-Linda ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 16:14:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiting for the National and OBC "legendary" dealers I went to the last two Nationals. There are some great deals to be had if you look. Last year, Ron Perry and I made a deal at Wayne Johnson's table (He's VERY Good with OBCers) for a stack of 53/54/56 Topps and 54/55 Bowmans for THIRTY-FIVE CENTS a card! The entire bill came out to about $70 for just over 200 cards; Ron and I went to a table and split up the stack (One of the cards Ron got was a 53T Whitey Ford). I went back to Wayne's table the next day and picked up some more 53 (including some high#s) and 56 Topps for 50 cents each, added a '55 Topps Rizzuto (high #) for $7 and he tossed in one 1952 Topps semi hi# for free. After two deals like that, I wholeheartedly recommend searching Wayne out...and go with another OBCer because he'll make it hard to say You should find some 53 Topps in your price range at Kurt Tourdot's table. Ditto for Kevin Savage, Roger Neufeldt and Dick Zimmerman (if he's there) for oddball stuff. I would also recommend Bill Chappell but he won't be making the California trip. For other deals, keep up with Steve R. Ken M. or Mike Rich. Those guys usually have the entire place staked out for deals within an hour BEFORE the place opens. Ken and Steve found all 20 of the cards I needed to complete my '73 Topps set last year including a cheap Schmidt RC, then went to work finding the last cards I needed to complete my '75 Topps set (mostly star cards) in the same afternoon without breaking my I like Bill Henderson's table too. His commons boxes always yield some hits for me but I usually end up putting the other stuff back when he gives me the prices. I have found some decent deals, though: at the National in Cleveland he had a stack of '52 Bowman Large FB and I snatched 5 cards from that set for my Steelers wantlist for $2 each (one of them was a semi-hard SP so I didn't even hesitate) and somebody else (Mike Rich I think) pulled some tough SPs for the same price! He has some great stories about the Old Days of the Hobby. By the way...if you have an OBC cap, wear it. Some dealers keep OBC boxes stashed away and won't pull them out unless they see the hat. My one trip to Ft. Washington (in '04) was a last-minute surprise, and I didn't think to bring the OBC hat with me. As I wandered around the show asking about OBC specials...I kept getting asked, "Where's your hat?" The last two trips were fun. Unfortunately, unless I have some very good fortune, it doesn't look like I'll be there this time around. I'm already planning on going to Anaheim for the 2008 National but this year is likely a lost cause. The worst part about that is that I'll have to wait two more years to meet the West Coast OBC crowd. I'm going to spend the entire weekend wishing I was there. Have fun at the show (and trust me, it won't be hard to do). Take care, --- Linda wrote: > I am waiting for the National next month in Anaheim, > Calif. near where > i live and finally being able to check out the > legendary OBC dealers > like Mark Macrae i have heard so much about who sell > vintage cards way > cheaper than dealers at local shows here.I want to > find these East > Coast OBC dealers at the National who sell 53 Topps > in VG for 50 cents > to a $1 a card because here they are $5 and up at > shows.Even on ebay > the best deal i can find on a lot of them is not > less than $3 a card > and i have to bid on many lots of them to win one > lot at $3 a card.I > never win them for less.I just won a lot of 53 topps > on ebay-# > 8820750889- But as usual the lowest i can win them > for is $3 a card. > At the National i can't wait to find Mark Macrae and > other East Coast > OBC friendly dealers who are attending the show and > step up to their > table and say, "I am in OBC.Do you have any 53 topps > in vg for $1 each? > I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them." > Same thing for 49,50,53 Bowmans.-"Any of those in VG > for $1 each.I > will buy 1,000 of them if you have them also."-Linda I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Chris Stufflestreet , Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 23:40:15 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiting for the National and OBC "legendary" dealers Agreed - Wayne Johnson was quite good to me as well, I pulled a big stack of `55 &`56 Stars & Team variations for @ $75 and I was thrilled. Put that name on your list for sure Linda!!! REGARDS ---------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: Chris Stufflestreet I went to the last two Nationals. There are some great deals to be had if you look. Last year, Ron Perry and I made a deal at Wayne Johnson's table (He's VERY Good with OBCers) for a stack of 53/54/56 Topps and 54/55 Bowmans for THIRTY-FIVE CENTS a card! The entire bill came out to about $70 for just over 200 cards; Ron and I went to a table and split up the stack (One of the cards Ron got was a 53T Whitey Ford). I went back to Wayne's table the next day and picked up some more 53 (including some high#s) and 56 Topps for 50 cents each, added a '55 Topps Rizzuto (high #) for $7 and he tossed in one 1952 Topps semi hi# for free. After two deals like that, I wholeheartedly recommend searching Wayne out...and go with another OBCer because he'll make it hard to say You should find some 53 Topps in your price range at Kurt Tourdot's table. Ditto for Kevin Savage, Roger Neufeldt and Dick Zimmerman (if he's there) for oddball stuff. I would also recommend Bill Chappell but he won't be making the California trip. For other deals, keep up with Steve R. Ken M. or Mike Rich. Those guys usually have the entire place staked out for deals within an hour BEFORE the place opens. Ken and Steve found all 20 of the cards I needed to complete my '73 Topps set last year including a cheap Schmidt RC, then went to work finding the last cards I needed to complete my '75 Topps set (mostly star cards) in the same afternoon without breaking my I like Bill Henderson's table too. His commons boxes always yield some hits for me but I usually end up putting the other stuff back when he gives me the prices. I have found some decent deals, though: at the National in Cleveland he had a stack of '52 Bowman Large FB and I snatched 5 cards from that set for my Steelers wantlist for $2 each (one of them was a semi-hard SP so I didn't even hesitate) and somebody else (Mike Rich I think) pulled some tough SPs for the same price! He has some great stories about the Old Days of the Hobby. By the way...if you have an OBC cap, wear it. Some dealers keep OBC boxes stashed away and won't pull them out unless they see the hat. My one trip to Ft. Washington (in '04) was a last-minute surprise, and I didn't think to bring the OBC hat with me. As I wandered around the show asking about OBC specials...I kept getting asked, "Where's your hat?" The last two trips were fun. Unfortunately, unless I have some very good fortune, it doesn't look like I'll be there this time around. I'm already planning on going to Anaheim for the 2008 National but this year is likely a lost cause. The worst part about that is that I'll have to wait two more years to meet the West Coast OBC crowd. I'm going to spend the entire weekend wishing I was there. Have fun at the show (and trust me, it won't be hard to do). Take care, --- Linda wrote: > I am waiting for the National next month in Anaheim, > Calif. near where > i live and finally being able to check out the > legendary OBC dealers > like Mark Macrae i have heard so much about who sell > vintage cards way > cheaper than dealers at local shows here.I want to > find these East > Coast OBC dealers at the National who sell 53 Topps > in VG for 50 cents > to a $1 a card because here they are $5 and up at > shows.Even on ebay > the best deal i can find on a lot of them is not > less than $3 a card > and i have to bid on many lots of them to win one > lot at $3 a card.I > never win them for less.I just won a lot of 53 topps > on ebay-# > 8820750889- But as usual the lowest i can win them > for is $3 a card. > At the National i can't wait to find Mark Macrae and > other East Coast > OBC friendly dealers who are attending the show and > step up to their > table and say, "I am in OBC.Do you have any 53 topps > in vg for $1 each? > I will buy 1,000 of them if you have them." > Same thing for 49,50,53 Bowmans.-"Any of those in VG > for $1 each.I > will buy 1,000 of them if you have them also."-Linda I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 21:39:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: Wow! He drives just like Steve McQueen, Man! Many of you guys have met my youngest son, Wade. Wade took and passed his driver's exam today and those of you that have met him may find that news as a bit of a shock. Coincidently, the Evansville Courier/Press ran a story about Wade in today's edition detailing a little about this. http://www.courierpress.com/news/2006/jun/13/in-the-drivers-seat/ Greg (yaz) ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 12:16:16 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiting for the National and OBC "legendary" dealers I too have never been to a National and dream of one day going. However, an even bigger dream is to go to one of those West Coast card shops with bid boards where you can get 49 Leafs for $1 and 50's Hockey for 25 cents! take care ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:09:50 -0400 To: yazobc@insightbb.com (Yaz) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow! He drives just like Steve McQueen, Man! Congrats to Wade! Having met Wade I am not as shocked as one might think. I didn't get the impression that he sees himself as being all that limited, quite a remarkable young man. I was very impressed with his wit and charm. I suspect that Dad had a lot to do with his positive attitude about himself. Have a great Fathers Day! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:11:42 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: eBay Announces Major News During 'eBay Live' Keynote Address ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:26:05 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: A tipton 63 Mantle This card belongs in an OBCer's collection-- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8828075012&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT ================= To: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:49:34 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A tipton 63 Mantle He's got an awful lot of negatives http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=greatdeals714 -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hoot-owl@comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 7:26 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A tipton 63 Mantle This card belongs in an OBCer's collection-- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8828075012&ssPageNam ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 20:01:44 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: 1975 Topps- All Stars Thumbing thru my binder, I come up with these: 1 Aaron (NL OF) 50 B.Robinson (AL 3B) 80 Fisk (AL C) 140 Garvey (NL 1B) 170 Campaneris (AL SS) 180 Morgan (NL 2B) 260 Bench (NL C) 320 Rose (NL OF) 350 Murcer (AL OF) 390 Cey (NL 3B) 400 Allen (AL 1B) 420 Bowa (NL SS) 440 Messersmith (NL P) 470 Burroughs (AL OF) 530 G. Perry (AL P) 570 Wynn (NL OF) 600 Carew (AL 2B) These are all of the All Star Game starters, with the exception of Reggie Jackson; curiously, Jackson's regular 1975 card (#300) does not carry the All Star symbol. Of the 17 listed above, all are the "regular issue" card, with the exception of #1 Aaron - that card is a "1974 highlight" of Aaron. Hank's regular issue card, # 660, doesn't have the star. Although Murcer was an AL starter & has an AL All-Star on the card, he appears in an airbrushed Giants uniform. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "b_betza" wrote: > I'm thinking of adding the 1975 Topps all-star cards to my wantlist. > I believe the cards are the players regular card for that year and > have a star on the players position with NL or AL all-star listed. > Anyone have an idea how to get a checklist together for these cards? > Since it's the regular issue for the player there doesn't look to be > any distinction in the card guides I've looked at.. > Any ideas would be appreciated! > Brian Betza ================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 01:51:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: Re: 1975 Topps- All Stars Thanks for the extra effort Tom! I'll post the list soon. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@... wrote: > Brian, > Thumbing thru my binder, I come up with these: > 1 Aaron (NL OF) > 50 B.Robinson (AL 3B) > 80 Fisk (AL C) > 140 Garvey (NL 1B) > 170 Campaneris (AL SS) > 180 Morgan (NL 2B) > 260 Bench (NL C) > 320 Rose (NL OF) > 350 Murcer (AL OF) > 390 Cey (NL 3B) > 400 Allen (AL 1B) > 420 Bowa (NL SS) > 440 Messersmith (NL P) > 470 Burroughs (AL OF) > 530 G. Perry (AL P) > 570 Wynn (NL OF) > 600 Carew (AL 2B) > These are all of the All Star Game starters, with the exception of > Jackson; curiously, Jackson's regular 1975 card (#300) does not carry the All > Star symbol. Of the 17 listed above, all are the "regular issue" card, with the > exception of #1 Aaron - that card is a "1974 highlight" of Aaron. > regular issue card, # 660, doesn't have the star. > Although Murcer was an AL starter & has an AL All-Star on the card, he > appears in an airbrushed Giants uniform. > Tom > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "b_betza" wrote: > > > > I'm thinking of adding the 1975 Topps all-star cards to my > > I believe the cards are the players regular card for that year > > have a star on the players position with NL or AL all-star > > Anyone have an idea how to get a checklist together for these > > Since it's the regular issue for the player there doesn't look to be > > any distinction in the card guides I've looked at.. > > > > Any ideas would be appreciated! > > > > Brian Betza > > ================= To: , Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 06:43:03 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Topps- All Stars How did Bench ever beat out Steve Swisher?? Obviously a Cincy bias... ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 1:01 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Topps- All Stars Thumbing thru my binder, I come up with these: 1 Aaron (NL OF) 50 B.Robinson (AL 3B) 80 Fisk (AL C) 140 Garvey (NL 1B) 170 Campaneris (AL SS) 180 Morgan (NL 2B) 260 Bench (NL C) 320 Rose (NL OF) 350 Murcer (AL OF) 390 Cey (NL 3B) 400 Allen (AL 1B) 420 Bowa (NL SS) 440 Messersmith (NL P) 470 Burroughs (AL OF) 530 G. Perry (AL P) 570 Wynn (NL OF) 600 Carew (AL 2B) These are all of the All Star Game starters, with the exception of ReggieJackson; curiously, Jackson's regular 1975 card (#300) does not carry the All Star symbol. Of the 17 listed above, all are the "regular issue" card, with the exception of #1 Aaron - that card is a "1974 highlight" of Aaron. Hank's regular issue card, # 660, doesn't have the star. Although Murcer was an AL starter & has an AL All-Star on the card, he appears in an airbrushed Giants uniform. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "b_betza" wrote: > I'm thinking of adding the 1975 Topps all-star cards to my wantlist. > I believe the cards are the players regular card for that year and > have a star on the players position with NL or AL all-star listed. > Anyone have an idea how to get a checklist together for these cards? > Since it's the regular issue for the player there doesn't look to be > any distinction in the card guides I've looked at.. > Any ideas would be appreciated! > Brian Betza ================= Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:54:42 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: Need Help Identifying a Bob Feller Card Gang...
Anyone have any idea where this Bob Feller card came from? It was part of a lot I picked up from a dealer friend who didn't know it's origin. Based on the cardboard feel, I am guessing it's from a milk carton. Here's a link to its image:
http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice/page12.html
Thanks! Don
--
Don Rice
On-line WL: http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice/
==============================================

=================

Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 21:48:10 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Ken M" 
Subject: Re: Need Help Identifying a Bob Feller Card

That one looks like a well trimmed 1951 Wheaties card. My SCD describes
the set as "coming from single serve boxes and includes three baseball
players (Williams, Musial, Feller), and one football player (Lujack), a
basketball player  (Mikan) and a golfer (Snead). Well trimmed cards measure
2-1/2" x 3-1/4" and feature blue line drawings of the player with a wide white
border, a facsimile auto and descriptive title below. A small horde of complete
unused boxes made their way into the hobby in the early 1990's." I'd include
pricing info, but the book is out of date and I don't think anyone really cares
anyway ;-) My guess is it's worth less than a T206 Wagner, but more than a
1978 Mendoza. Hope this helps,

Ken M

=================

Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:15:41 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Housley" 
Subject: Tiger Stadium

Sad to read the news that the city of Detroit is going to tear down
Tiger Stadium. I never visited there myself, although it was on my wish
list of places to see a game. From a nostalgia standpoint, it saddens
me that the city couldn't come up with a way to save it somehow. I'm
sure many long-time Tiger fans will have a lump in their throat when
Navin/Bennett/Tiger falls to the wrecking ball (or the explosive
May the ghosts of Tiger greats rest in peace when the old girl is gone.

=================

To: directorth@aol.com
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:17:52 -0400
From: Bob Saxton 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tiger Stadium

My most memorable visit to Tiger Stadium.  It was in the early 90's on a
Memorial Day weekend. We were visiting friends in the Detroit area and
decided to take in a game.  Very sparse crowd for a game against the
White Sox.  Top of the 2nd inning the kids wanted a hot dog and drink, so
friend Bonnie and I went up to the concession window.  Seemed like it was
the only one open on that whole side of the park.  Stood in a long line
through four whole innings before being served.  When I got home I wrote
to Tom Monahan and asked why the guy who could guarantee delivery of a
pizza to my door within 30 minutes couldn't deliver a hot dog to my hands
in the ball park within 4 innings. Got a nice reply from one of his aides
apologizing with an explanation that they hadn't anticipated the crowd
that day.  Might have made sense to me if there had actually been a

Bob Saxton

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:15:41 -0000 "Tom Housley" 
> Sad to read the news that the city of Detroit is going to tear down
> Tiger Stadium. I never visited there myself, although it was on my
> wish
> list of places to see a game. From a nostalgia standpoint, it
> saddens
> me that the city couldn't come up with a way to save it somehow. I'm
> sure many long-time Tiger fans will have a lump in their throat when
> Navin/Bennett/Tiger falls to the wrecking ball (or the explosive
> charges.)
> May the ghosts of Tiger greats rest in peace when the old girl is
> gone.
> Tom
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To: 
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:44:30 -0400
From: "Mark Holland" 
Subject: Let's move some cards

I need some hits to my lists.  Need 62, 64, 66, 67, 71, 72, 75mini, 77 & 79.
Will take any condition just to get some cardboard moving.  Have many ofthe
same to swap.  It's OBC grade on this end, just send list.

Have a good weekend.

Mark Holland
Vintage Wantlist: http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck
=================

Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:51:28 -0400
To: directorth@aol.com (Tom Housley)
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tiger Stadium

Tom et al,
Yes, we are indeed lamenting the coming of the wrecking ball to Michigan
and Trumbull. It seems that all is not totally lost. Although there will
be condos and commercial buildings going up where the stadium structure
was, the actual field will remain. It will be used for various sporting
events including Little League and High School games. I also heard that
it will once again be called Navin Field. When I retire for real, it
would be too cool to have a Condo overlooking the outfield where Tiger
greats used to roam! Now that would be a fitting location for the House
of Maxwell, huh?

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 14:19:07 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: 9+ year quest complete

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill series 2  cards
I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and Zimmerman! There  are 8
series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different cards. I picked series 2  to
work on because it's "the easiest", there are no big names (others series
have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a second house would be cheaper),  an
d I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay you could pick series 2's up for $10
a piece. Completion hasn't really sunk in yet, but this might be my most
satisfying collecting milestone to date. It took over nine years to gather
these cards one by one. This was one of my big three card goals for 2006. Now my
goal for the rest of the year is to finish my 1961 Post set. Any help
appreciated, I do have a bunch of dupes from recent purchases of ebay lots that  I'm
going to send out.

=================

To: , 
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:40:58 -0700
From: "Brian Lindholme" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

Andy...where on earth did you find the T210's?? I have personally seen those
on your wantlist for YEARS !!  Even I was doubting the likelihood!

Big time congrats on that set...Are you going to keep going and try for theother
series...sans Stengel & Jackson?

OBC Forever
----- Original Message -----
From: typecard@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:19 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill series 2 cards
I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and Zimmerman! There are
8 series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different cards. I picked series
2 to work on because it's "the easiest", there are no big names (others series
have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a second house would be cheaper),
and I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay you could pick series 2's
up for $10 a piece. Completion hasn't really sunk in yet, but this might
be my most satisfying collecting milestone to date. It took over nine years
to gather these cards one by one. This was one of my big three card goals
for 2006. Now my goal for the rest of the year is to finish my 1961 Post set.
Any help appreciated, I do have a bunch of dupes from recent purchasesof
ebay lots that I'm going to send out.

=================

Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:59:37 EDT
To: familytoad@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

I'm done with T210. Many of the other series are significantly harder to
find than series 2s. Commons in series 8 have been going for several hundred
dollars each on ebay recently in low grade. Series 8 is the largest series at
over 100 cards, including Jackson and Stengel.

Andy...where on earth did you find the T210's?? I  have personally seen those
on your wantlist for YEARS !!  Even I was  doubting the likelihood!

Big time congrats on that set...Are you going to  keep going and try for the
other series...sans Stengel &  Jackson?

OBC Forever

----- Original Message -----
From:  _typecard@aol.com_ (mailto:typecard@aol.com)
To: _obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com)
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 11:19  AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest  complete

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill  series 2 cards
I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and  Zimmerman! There are 8
series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different  cards. I picked series 2 to
work on because it's "the easiest", there are no  big names (others series
have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a  second house would be cheaper),
and I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay  you could pick series 2's up for
$10 a piece. Completion hasn't really  sunk in yet, but this might be my most
satisfying collecting milestone to  date. It took over nine years to gather
these cards one by  one.

=================

Date: 17 Jun 2006 21:21:26 -0000
To: typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

Congrats on completing the T210 series, serious milestone indeed!!!  It's
really satisfying to get that last card or two to finish a set, especially
whenyou've been working on set for years.

Enjoy the feeling.

------------- Original message follows -------------

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill series 2
I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and Zimmerman! There
are 8
series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different cards. I picked series 2
work on because it's "the easiest", there are no big names (others series
have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a second house would be
cheaper),  an
d I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay you could pick series 2's up for
a piece. Completion hasn't really sunk in yet, but this might be my most
satisfying collecting milestone to date. It took over nine years to
these cards one by one. This was one of my big three card goals for 2006.
Now my
goal for the rest of the year is to finish my 1961 Post set. Any help
appreciated, I do have a bunch of dupes from recent purchases of ebay lots
that  I'm
going to send out.

=================

To: ,
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:29:09 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

Andy --

What an accomplishment!  They must look great in the 'ol binder.  The satisfaction
of completing a pre-war set is definitely one worth mulling over a couple
of fingers of Glenmorangie, Anejo Tequilla, or whatever your poison...well
done, my friend!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: typecard@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 7:19 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill series 2 cards
I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and Zimmerman! There are
8 series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different cards. I picked series
2 to work on because it's "the easiest", there are no big names (others series
have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a second house would be cheaper),
and I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay you could pick series 2's
up for $10 a piece. Completion hasn't really sunk in yet, but this might
be my most satisfying collecting milestone to date. It took over nine years
to gather these cards one by one. This was one of my big three card goals
for 2006. Now my goal for the rest of the year is to finish my 1961 Post set.
Any help appreciated, I do have a bunch of dupes from recent purchasesof
ebay lots that I'm going to send out.

=================

To: 
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:36:15 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: HOF OBC Committee

OBCers --

Here's a link to the HOF Veteran's Committee choices for this year, some 200
or so guys:

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060403.htm

I personally don;t have the time, but if somebody was bored, it would be
cool to see if OBC would elect any of them.  It takes 75% of the ballots to
be elected, so it's pretty tough.  Does anyone have enough time on their
hands to run an OBC election?

By the way, if Ron Santo isn't elected then the whole thing is a sham...

Take Care, Geno

=================

Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:58:54 -0400
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Dan Austin 
Subject: Isaly/Crane Disk question

Can one of you gurus out there help clear up some confusion?

The "big" Beckett lists the Isaly's Disk set as having 70 cards + 3
"variations" (Jackson, May and Messersmith).  However, the "big" SCD
book lists only 70 cards for Isaly, and 70 cards for the Crane set,
and the 3 variations are actually part of the Crane set, and not
Isaly.  anyone know for sure which is which?  Are the variations
present in both sets, or just one?

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

=================

Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 23:06:31 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: JEdward@aol.com
Subject: Question about autographs

Today I went to a card show and paid $25 for George Kell's autograph.   When
I finally made it to my turn in line I asked if George could add a  notation
with his HOF induction year.  That of course raised all kinds  of commotion
from the people running the commercial end of things.   "notations are an extra
$10!" I was told in no uncertain terms.  After all  the commotion subsided,
George looked up at me and said, "you can add that  yourself" and he gave me a
little wink.

So, my question is... if I add my own notation to George's autograph will
that detract from it?  George said I could do it, but it seems to me that  it
could be construed as forgery.

Of course in this case it is something that will never be offered for sail,
so I guess I shouldn't worry about it, but I am curious and would appreciate
hearing what "the experts" think.

OBC, it's an  attitude

http://hometown.aol.com/jedward/myhomepage/index.html

=================

Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 02:34:18 -0400
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Ron Santo/John Smoltz

Someone send a link to the group about Ron Santo's stats.  I'm about to
create a poll for him.  I remember we did one for Maris a few years ago
& I think he lost 0-21 :-)  Gil Hodges and one other guy also had either
1 or zero YES votes,  if I remember correctly.    Smoltz, Biggio &
Chipper would be 3 that I think would be interesting to do too.  Seems
like Biggio was done before or at least discussed, maybe in the VCT
group.  I'll do one for Smoltz & Santo for now.

=================

Date: 18 Jun 2006 07:07:40 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
OBC-Ramblings group:

Geno wants to know if you think Ron Santo should be in MLB's Hall Of Fame?  Poll ends 7-4-06.

o YES!
o PROBABLY, because some people less deserving have already been elected.
o UNDECIDED.
o PROBABLY NOT, because too many are in already that shouldn't be.
o NO!

To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12360779

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

=================

Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:15:53 -0400
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: polls & criteria etc

I was trying to think of a fair way to word the poll and cover all the
bases (no pun) at the same time.   I couldn't remember Geno's exact
wording.    Is this an OBC Hall of Fame that we are starting at zero
members or is the poll for the MLBs HOF?  Another question would be what
if the MLB HOF was started over at zero.  So that's why I put in #2 & #4
answers in the poll.  Anyway if anyone has a problem we can discuss,
cancel or redo the poll or whatever :-)  I don't mind being the
poll-meister but I just need to know what the goal is or excatly what
the person with the question is trying to find out etc.  I'll recheck
Geno's message and do another Santo poll with different wording.  We can
discuss our options before we do another player.

=================

Date: 18 Jun 2006 08:21:59 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
OBC-Ramblings group:

There are about 213 PLAYERS in the HOF. If MLB wanted to start over at ZERO in 2007 & asked OBC to elect 200 PLAYERS (retired since 2001) how would you vote on Ron Santo's nomination?  The poll ends 7-4-06.

o YES
o UNDECIDED
o NO

To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12360796

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

=================

To: ,
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:52:20 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] polls & criteria etc

Keith --

Actually, what I had meant to say was if you were presented with the Veteran's
Committee list that I sent the link to, which guys would you vote for. I'm
going to be out of town starting Wednesday, so I'll run a short poll for
a couple of days.

Take a look at this link and send me your votes:

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060403.htm

You can vote for as many or as few as you like and I'll tally them up.  A player
needs 75% to get in, so we'll see if anybody makes it.  The poll willend
Tuesday night, or possibly Wednesday morning, depending on when my flight
leaves.  Let's stick to the players and not the execs, umps, etc.

This should be fun!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] polls & criteria etc

I was trying to think of a fair way to word the poll and cover all the
bases (no pun) at the same time. I couldn't remember Geno's exact
wording. Is this an OBC Hall of Fame that we are starting at zero
members or is the poll for the MLBs HOF? Another question would be what
if the MLB HOF was started over at zero. So that's why I put in #2 & #4
answers in the poll. Anyway if anyone has a problem we can discuss,
cancel or redo the poll or whatever :-) I don't mind being the
poll-meister but I just need to know what the goal is or excatly what
the person with the question is trying to find out etc. I'll recheck
Geno's message and do another Santo poll with different wording. We can
discuss our options before we do another player.

=================

To: 
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 10:01:13 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: My votes

Here's my votes for the Veteran's Committee:

Ron Santo
Johnny Kling
Sherry Magee
Thurman Munson
Minnie Minoso
Al Oliver (sentimental since I always loved to watch him hit!)
Bill Dahlen

I may add some more later..

Take Care, Geno

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To: 
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 09:59:41 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] polls & criteria etc

I'm not sure if this went out the first time since I got a strange message back...

----- Original Message -----
From: geno.wagner
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com ; keithsummers@webtv.net
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] polls & criteria etc

Keith --

Actually, what I had meant to say was if you were presented with the Veteran's
Committee list that I sent the link to, which guys would you vote for. I'm
going to be out of town starting Wednesday, so I'll run a short poll for
a couple of days.

Take a look at this link and send me your votes:

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060403.htm

You can vote for as many or as few as you like and I'll tally them up.  A player
needs 75% to get in, so we'll see if anybody makes it.  The poll willend
Tuesday night, or possibly Wednesday morning, depending on when my flight
leaves.  Let's stick to the players and not the execs, umps, etc.

This should be fun!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] polls & criteria etc

I was trying to think of a fair way to word the poll and cover all the
bases (no pun) at the same time. I couldn't remember Geno's exact
wording. Is this an OBC Hall of Fame that we are starting at zero
members or is the poll for the MLBs HOF? Another question would be what
if the MLB HOF was started over at zero. So that's why I put in #2 & #4
answers in the poll. Anyway if anyone has a problem we can discuss,
cancel or redo the poll or whatever :-) I don't mind being the
poll-meister but I just need to know what the goal is or excatly what
the person with the question is trying to find out etc. I'll recheck
Geno's message and do another Santo poll with different wording. We can
discuss our options before we do another player.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 08:00:42 -0400
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Ron Santo's stats
=================

To: ,
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:59:41 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about autographs

John --

The purists would say don't mess with it, but the baseball fan says do whatever
you want with it!  I remember playing baseball with a ball Ernie Bankssigned
for me - I though it might make me hit it further or something!  IfI
were you, I would probably leave it as is and display it with something cool
that shows his HOF induction (HOF plaque, newspaper, picture, etc).

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: JEdward@aol.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 4:06 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about autographs

Today I went to a card show and paid $25 for George Kell's autograph.  When
I finally made it to my turn in line I asked if George could add a notation
with his HOF induction year.  That of course raised all kinds of commotion
from the people running the commercial end of things.  "notations are an
extra $10!" I was told in no uncertain terms.  After all the commotion subsided,
George looked up at me and said, "you can add that yourself" and hegave
me a little wink.

So, my question is... if I add my own notation to George's autograph willthat
detract from it?  George said I could do it, but it seems to me that it
could be construed as forgery.

Of course in this case it is something that will never be offered for sail,
so I guess I shouldn't worry about it, but I am curious and would appreciate
hearing what "the experts" think.

OBC, it's an attitude

http://hometown.aol.com/jedward/myhomepage/index.html

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To: ,
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:08:52 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ron Santo's stats

Comparing Santo to Brooks Robinson:

HR:  Santo 382,  Robby 268
RBI:  Santo  1331  Robby  1357
Stolen Bases:  Santo 35   Robby 28
OBP:  Santo .382   Robby .322
Avg:  Santo .277   Robby .267
Fld %:   Santo .954    Robby .971

I would say Santo has at least comprable, and I would argue better, qualifications
than Brooks Robinson (at least offensively)!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ron Santo's stats

Sorry guys but I had an extra word in the poll by accident after the 1st
edit, so I had to edit it again & it wiped out all 3 votes of:

D. Rice, Geno & Jimbo (again!).

BTW, Ron Santo's career #s are:

HRs-342 (good but Kingman has 442)
RBI-1331 (How many for Kong, Rice & Evans?)
SB-35 of 76 (41 CS!?)
OBP .362
AVG .277
All Star 9 times (fans liked him!)

A fan fav and he's a nice guy too, he lost a leg to diabetes plus he is
an announcer but probaby not quite TOP 200 caliber in my opinion, just
based on the hitting stats I see. However I admit I have no idea about
his defense at 3B or his longevity. Plus I'm not a Cubs fan, unless
they are playing the Yankees, Angels, Mariners or Blue Jays! I bet he
has better #s than some already in the HOF though. So my vote is
PROBABLY in the 1st poll but NO in the 2nd, since I'd basically have to
kick out 14 people then determine Santo was the best to take the 200th
slot. Kingman's avg is weak but I'm going to see how Darrell Evans
(414 HRs?) and Jim Rice compare to Santo, although Rice was an OF.

Anyone have a list of players with the most RBIs that are NOT in the HOF
but eligible?

There is a link to Ron Santo's stats at the very bottom.

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/stats_historical/mlb_individual_stats_player.jsp?playerID121697

=================

To: typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 19:57:46 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9+ year quest complete

What a great accomplishment Andy - Congratulations!!!

REGARDS ----------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: typecard@aol.com

Today I received in the mail the last two 1910 T210 Old Mill series 2 cards I needed to finish the 87 cards in this set - Levy and Zimmerman! There are 8 series in the T210 set -- totally 640 different cards. I picked series 2 to work on because it's "the easiest", there are no big names (others series have Casey Stengel and Joe Jackson -- buying a second house would be cheaper), and I actually had a few. Time was on Ebay you could pick series 2's up for $10 a piece. Completion hasn't really sunk in yet, but this might be my most satisfying collecting milestone to date. It took over nine years to gather these cards one by one. This was one of my big three card goals for 2006. Now my goal for the rest of the year is to finish my 1961 Post set. Any help appreciated, I do have a bunch of dupes from recent purchases of ebay lots that I'm going to send out.

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To: ,
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 15:25:02 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Re: [Ramblings] Tiger Stadium

There aren't many places left (Fenway & Wrigley ???) where a fan had/has the
opportunity to sit so close to the field and be right on top of the action
as Tiger Stadium allowed.  There are also not that many places left whereyou
can see a long-ball power hitter bounce a drive off of, or actually clear
the high roof of a stadium, either.  I was in Tiger when Frank Howard cleared
the roof in left center, and I saw Jim Northrup slam a drive up there
to right one time, but that one didn't clear and it bounced back down into
the stands.  I was also at the game when Mickey came up to bat and Bill Freehan
and Denny McLain got together at the mound for a laugh, only to see Mantle
drive the next pitch into the seats for a tater.  As the Mick was rounding
the bases, McLain was still smiling, and my Dad, probably the only person
in the world I know who is a bigger sore loser than I am, looked at me
and said, "What the h** is so funny about that?"  Over a thirty mile drive
and hours later, he was still chewing the bit about it.  To be quite honest
with you, I'd bet he is still grumpy that McLain would give the dreaded and
hated "the Mick," an easy one, even if it was scheduled to be his last game
in Detroit before retiring.

I also got to stand in the Tigers dugout prior to a Lions football game once,
while my Dad and his barbershop chorus sang the National Anthem.  At thetime,
I was way too young to understand how lucky I was, but I also got toshake
hands with Hal Newhouser, Gates Brown & Earl Wilson on that day.  Earl
smiled when my Dad pulled the Gator' and he over to introduce me, but they
were both pretty big guys, VERY dark, and they SCARED me!!!    If Earl was
only half as scary on the mound as he was while shaking my hand, I can assure
you I'd never want to have to come to bat and face him.  ...and to think
they say Bob Gibson was even more nasty.  NO thanks; take me out, coach,
I think I got the flu today!

Many fond memories, but Tiger stadium had a lot of serious faults, as well.There
are almost no major parking lots in the whole neighborhood.  There were
way too many seats with severely obstructed views, and the concessionsand
restroom facilities were hideous.  Even the locker rooms seemed kind of
grungy when I was able to take a tour through them a few years back.  Centerfield
bleacher seating in any park is a long way from the action at homeplate,
but I can sympathize with you Bob, because I also remember several games
where I had to walk around the stadium and almost to third base from those
bleachers, just to get a hot dog.  You wont find yourself having to do
that in today's new parks.  I guess, back then, you simply needed to harbor
a passionate love for the game.

While I haven't attempted anything like a MLB ballpark tour or anything like
that, I have seen games from the stands of several other places.  Of course,
since I grew up with the Tigers in Tiger stadium, I'll admit, I'm biased,
and I too, will probably find a lump in my throat when I see photos of it
coming down.  Alas, I also know I'll retain a lot of memories from there,even
if one or two of them are less than favorable.  I feel very lucky that
I was able to see some of the game's all-time greatest players play there,
and some who were on some pretty great teams as well.  Been there; done that;
even have the Polaroid and 126 instamatic film photos to prove it!!!  Slated
to be ripped down or not, I'm happy to know that I'll retain those memories,
long after the grounds at Michigan and Trumbull have been turned into
something else.

Ahhhhhh yes; Baseball.  Thanks for the memories!

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Saxton
To: directorth@aol.com
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tiger Stadium

My most memorable visit to Tiger Stadium. It was in the early 90's on a
Memorial Day weekend. We were visiting friends in the Detroit area and
decided to take in a game. Very sparse crowd for a game against the
White Sox. Top of the 2nd inning the kids wanted a hot dog and drink, so
friend Bonnie and I went up to the concession window. Seemed like it was
the only one open on that whole side of the park. Stood in a long line
through four whole innings before being served. When I got home I wrote
to Tom Monahan and asked why the guy who could guarantee delivery of a
pizza to my door within 30 minutes couldn't deliver a hot dog to my hands
in the ball park within 4 innings. Got a nice reply from one of his aides
apologizing with an explanation that they hadn't anticipated the crowd
that day. Might have made sense to me if there had actually been a

Bob Saxton

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:15:41 -0000 "Tom Housley" 
> Sad to read the news that the city of Detroit is going to tear down
> Tiger Stadium. I never visited there myself, although it was on my
> wish
> list of places to see a game. From a nostalgia standpoint, it
> saddens
> me that the city couldn't come up with a way to save it somehow. I'm
> sure many long-time Tiger fans will have a lump in their throat when
> Navin/Bennett/Tiger falls to the wrecking ball (or the explosive
> charges.)
> May the ghosts of Tiger greats rest in peace when the old girl is
> gone.
> Tom

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To: 
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:14:15 -0600
From: "Marshall West" 
Subject: National Question

BlankTo OBC guys attending the National on Sunday, July 30th:

I have a question about the National in Anaheim.  I'm planning to attend
this year, and it's my first card show in a long time.

My 1964 baseball set is my "nicest" one, and I only get autographs for this
set.  So far, I have 25 autographs, and only 2 of them were not in-person
(Frank Thomas and Johnny Callison for obvious reasons to OBC'ers).  I have
spent a "TOTAL" of $53 to obtain the first 25 autographs.

At the National, I'm looking to get:
McCovey (?)
Snider (?)
Knoop (free)
Perry ($29)
F Robinson ($79)
T. Davis ($15)
Sherry ($25)
W. Davis ($15)

Easily, this is somewhere over $200 for my next 8 autographs.  Times have

Now to my question.  I have to leave the National on Sunday morning, and I
will miss Willie Davis at 2:30 on Sunday.  If any Sunday OBC'er will get in
line to obtain my autograph, I will buy a Willie Davis autograph for you
too.  Let me know if I have any takers on this.  I'm pre-ordering my tickets

Thanks for listening!
Marshall West

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To: 
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:53:03 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Autograph Seekers     - - -      Re: [Ramblings] National Question

I'm curious if anyone has ever hung around an entranceway, perhaps a back entranceway
or something like that, to see if they might score one or two signings
in that way?

----- Original Message -----
From: Marshall West
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:14 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National Question

To OBC guys attending the National on Sunday, July 30th:

I have a question about the National in Anaheim.  I'm planning to attend this
year, and it's my first card show in a long time.

My 1964 baseball set is my "nicest" one, and I only get autographs for thisset.
So far, I have 25 autographs, and only 2 of them were not in-person (Frank
Thomas and Johnny Callison for obvious reasons to OBC'ers).  I have spent
a "TOTAL" of $53 to obtain the first 25 autographs.

At the National, I'm looking to get:
McCovey (?)
Snider (?)
Knoop (free)
Perry ($29)
F Robinson ($79)
T. Davis ($15)
Sherry ($25)
W. Davis ($15)

Easily, this is somewhere over $200 for my next 8 autographs.  Times have changed.

Now to my question.  I have to leave the National on Sunday morning, and I will
miss Willie Davis at 2:30 on Sunday.  If any Sunday OBC'er will get inline
to obtain my autograph, I will buy a Willie Davis autograph for you too.
Let me know if I have any takers on this.  I'm pre-ordering my ticketssoon.

Thanks for listening!
Marshall West

=================

To: "Phil Chmielewski" 
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 23:10:15 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Re: [VCT] Saturday is National Baseball Card Day

I don't know if the effort will produce any additional interest or changes,but
I can assure you my favorite local store capitalized and cashed in on this.
Of course, it didn't hurt that they were able to combine the event with
a day long party celebrating their 15th year in business.  Not too bad for
a little Mom and Pop outfit that has moved their store location twice since
I first stumbled into it.  I even tried to attend the store party and this
"National" event, but the place was so packed when I went by I decidedto
skip it.  I've been getting Emails from them for over a month, describing
the event, explaining the give-aways and free food, etc., but there was such
a long line out the door and even a whole lot more people hanging around
and milling about the sidewalk, I decided I could have a better look-seeat
stuffs on a weekday morning.

Alas, if one were to base success on this one store, I'd guess that the National
Baseball Card Day is here to stay for a few years!

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Chmielewski
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Cc: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 5:36 PM
Subject: [VCT] Saturday is National Baseball Card Day

So says MLB, anyway...

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd20060615&content_id1507385&vkeynews_mlb&fext.jsp&c_idmlb&partneredrss_mlb

-- Check out the VCT website at:  http://www.vintagecardtraders.com

-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address?  Let Dan know today!

-- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:56:55 -0400
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: Master Topps Checklist/This and That

Hey gang:

Been a while since I have posted-I hope everybody is well.  With a
break between the regular and summer Little League seasons, I figured
it would be a good time to tell everybody I am still alive.  I did not
coach for the first time in four years but it made no difference, we
spend three to four nights a week at the field either way, which will
continue through early August.  I have stayed busy though......

I have complied a spreadsheet of all Topps Baseball issues (like a
master type-list) covering 1949-80 and would like to have any
interested OBC'ers give it the once-over before I post it to the
website.  It includes Bazooka, OPC and Venezuelan issues plus
Non-Sports (that include baseball players) and a few other things.  In
fact, I made my first new entry to it in many a moon after reading last
week's SCD article on three new 1968 Topps 3D variations (like the
regular 68 3D's but with no player name or team on the front).  It's a
small Excel spreadhseet so if you are interested in being a glorified
fact checker or proofreader, let me known and I will e-mail the laterst
version to you.

Has anybody heard where the Ft. Washington show is moving?  I would
like to attend the late summer or late fall show and just realized Ft.
Washington is done for already.  If I had the time I would hit the
National this year but we are just back from vacation then and will
have to wait for next year's in Cleveland.  There is a lack of good
dealer stock these days even at the biggest local shows and I think I'm
better off waiting for the big shows to stock up on oddballs.  I like
to support our twice annual "big" Long Island show at Hofstra
University but after the first one a lot of out of state dealers did
not return and May's event was a bit lackluster.  Ebay is nice and
there are some bargains every once in a while but there's also a bunch
of people overbidding extravagantly and besides, nothing beats milling
a round a big show!

Did anyone notice Kevin Savage sold a PSA 1 Eddie Stanky 1951 Topps
Major League All Star for over $17,000?  Yikes!  He's been getting some
quality cards in lately and it's nice to see him get some press in the

Well, everybody have a great summer; hopefully I'll be posting a bit
more soon.

Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email
and IM. All on demand. Always Free.

=================

To: "obc Ramblings" ,
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:34:40 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Why you go to sleep?    Radical me, dares you !!!!!

Okay fellow traders,
I admit, I have indeed been AWOL for many months, and just because I'm finally
starting to pick it up, I certainly don't deserve preferential treatment.
However, I AM trying to get things back together and I just can't understand
why you all need to go to bed and get sleep.  Especially so early.  Why,
MyGawd, it's barely 2a in the Rockies.

Never mind that I'm unemployed, behind in rent, behind in utilities, have nothing
to get up for, and, as some of you might know, even behind with family
and past friends in trade.  So?  Why condemn me?

I'm just an average, ordinary, every day nice guy, so the idea that any of you
could think you need to go to bed and not respond to group Email in themiddle
of the night is unacceptable.  Ridiculous.  Totally Unacceptable.

For me?  Wishful?    Probably !!!!!!

Oh, alright, I know, I'm totally outrageous, completely dangerous, but thatis
much of the reason so many of you wrote to me in the first place.

Here's the deal.

I'm going to work on a total inclusive, all groups invited, all friends needed,
all traders required, middle of the country and equal distant gather point,
trading group gathering.  While I intend to invite and provide anyoneand
everyone with the ability to stay here with me, I'm also hopeful that the
half dozen others who are here in Colorado, will share the same.  I would
like to establish and help YOU promote our own Card Trading National.

Truly, I think this is our time to establish a voice in who the REAL card collectors
/ traders are, and show the manufacturers, the retailers, and theMLB,
who truly buys their cards.  I think it is time, and the right time, for
OBC, OCT, TB, and VCT and others, to all stand together, make a stand, and
tell the industry what we really want.  Honestly, I'm not sure any of us
understands how powerful each of our groups are, and I truly believe mostof
us, in all of our groups, are willing to stand up for what we want.

LET'S UNITE!!!

LET'S ESTABLISH WHO IT IS WHO REALLY WANTS and WHO REALLY BUYS CARDS.  LET'S
INFORM THE INDUSTRY WHO THEIR CUSTOMERS REALLY ARE !!!

Why stop now?
Well, because I know I am unable to control the card industry.    However, I
also know that with all of us on the same page, we can indeed, control our
destiny.  Between OCT, OBC, VCT, TB, and our friendly folks from CSCT, I truly
believe we could make an impact on how to control the sports card industry.

Truly, gentlemen, it's not that difficult.  All we need to do is speak up,all
on  the same page.  I truly, this is a time of turmoil for MLB and  the
Players Association.  They to know they NEED their product to sell.  WE HOWEVER,
can be the voice that tells them WHAT they should be selling.

Please, get back to me.  Let's pursue this.  Let's tell this industry what we
really want.

I want to shove our opinions down the throats of some big time Topps, MLB, and
UD execs.  I think I can do that; wont you please help?

=================

Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:28:15 EDT
To: wguthrie@axint.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why you go to sleep?    Radical me, dares you !!!!!

In a message dated 6/19/2006 2:23:55 PM Central Standard Time,
wguthrie@axint.net writes:

Truly, I think this is our time to establish a  voice in who the REAL card
collectors / traders are, and show the  manufacturers, the retailers, and the
MLB, who truly buys their cards.  I  think it is time, and the right time, for
OBC, OCT, TB, and VCT and others, to  all stand together, make a stand, and
tell the industry what we really  want.

Walker:  I may have missed your earlier email (I am one of the few who  has
to get up for work on a Monday morning), but can you let us know  what your
beef is with the industry?  Before we recreate the Boston  Tea Party, it would be
nice to know what we are protesting against.

=================

Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:51:56 -0400
To: "geno.wagner" ,
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF OBC Committee

I vote for Cecil Travis and Curt Flood!

At 05:36 PM 6/17/2006, geno.wagner wrote:

>OBCers --
>Here's a link to the HOF Veteran's Committee choices for this year, some 200
>or so guys:
>http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2006/060403.htm
>I personally don;t have the time, but if somebody was bored, it would be
>cool to see if OBC would elect any of them. It takes 75% of the ballots to
>be elected, so it's pretty tough. Does anyone have enough time on their
>hands to run an OBC election?
>By the way, if Ron Santo isn't elected then the whole thing is a sham...
>Take Care, Geno

=================

Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:10:16 -0700 (PDT)
To: Walker , obc Ramblings 
From: Chris Stufflestreet 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why you go to sleep?    Radical me, dares you !!!!!

You have a good idea, but there is one small problem
with your concept.  For the members of all these
trading communities, there is a certain percentage who
don't buy new material.  I'm one of them.

When I buy cards, whether in a hobby shop, online or
through eBay, my money goes to the seller.  Neither
Topps, nor Upper Deck nor MLB see a dime of that
money.  As a result of that, none of those three
entities will give a damn about how I felt regarding
their product.  I'm not one of their customers.

Besides, even if buyers of vintage material mattered
to them, few of us would matter as long as there are
hobbyists who continue to throw obscene amounts of
money at eBay auctions and the auction houses (I'm not
harping on those who have the money -- after all, it's
theirs to spend as they want).  If you've seen any of
the recent auctions through Mastro, Mile High,
Sotheby's, REA or Memory Lane, you'll see that we are
small potatoes in the "big picture" of the Hobby.

So if I show up at the gathering to say my peace about
the current state of the hobby, they aren't going to
be impressed.  If I do the same thing through my
newsletter...they still won't care.

That said, there is a valid point you're trying to
make.  Between reading through some of the same stuff
I hear whenever some of my co-workers decide that we
need a union at work and the ramblings of somebody who
probably should have slept on his thoughts (I find
that I can write a lot at 2AM...but the next day I
realize I have to edit it down.  A lot), I'm sensing
that you are saying that if the card companies would
make a product that we'd like, we might feel compelled
to actually buy  the new stuff like we used to.

For better or for worse, cards as we knew them 20, 30
or even 40 years ago are lost to history.  Things like
inflation, technology and
tamper-proof/anti-counterfeit measures have killed the
chances of having even a 99-cent pack of cards.  Add
to that the fact that baseball has waned in popularity
(in comparison to football and basketball) with young
fans and the result is lower demand for cards.  The
overproduction of cards for much of the 80s and early
90s has so saturated the market that cases of 1986
Topps are worth less now than they were the day they
were issued...good for bargain hunters but not for the
collectors who sank a few hundred dollars into them
hoping they'd get a return on their investment (and 20
years later they're still waiting).  But then again,
who here needs more 1986 Topps?  I sure don't.

Walker, I think a lot of good can come out of having
some type of "advisory board" in the hobby to give
some guidance to the card manufacturers; however, if
one gets assembled I'm willing to guess that the seats
will go to the guys who are spending more money in a
single auction that I spend on the hobby over 5 years.

Take care,

--- Walker  wrote:

> Okay fellow traders,
> I admit, I have indeed been AWOL for many months,
> and just because I'm finally starting to pick it up,
> I certainly don't deserve preferential treatment.
> However, I AM trying to get things back together and
> I just can't understand why you all need to go to
> bed and get sleep.  Especially so early.  Why,
> MyGawd, it's barely 2a in the Rockies.
> Never mind that I'm unemployed, behind in rent,
> behind in utilities, have nothing to get up for,
> and, as some of you might know, even behind with
> family and past friends in trade.  So?  Why condemn
> me?
> I'm just an average, ordinary, every day nice guy,
> so the idea that any of you could think you need to
> go to bed and not respond to group Email in the
> middle of the night is unacceptable.  Ridiculous.
> Totally Unacceptable.
> For me?  Wishful?    Probably !!!!!!
> Oh, alright, I know, I'm totally outrageous,
> completely dangerous, but that is much of the reason
> so many of you wrote to me in the first place.
> Here's the deal.
> I'm going to work on a total inclusive, all groups
> invited, all friends needed, all traders required,
> middle of the country and equal distant gather
> point, trading group gathering.  While I intend to
> invite and provide anyone and everyone with the
> ability to stay here with me, I'm also hopeful that
> the half dozen others who are here in Colorado, will
> share the same.  I would like to establish and help
> YOU promote our own Card Trading National.
> Truly, I think this is our time to establish a voice
> in who the REAL card collectors / traders are, and
> show the manufacturers, the retailers, and the MLB,
> who truly buys their cards.  I think it is time, and
> the right time, for OBC, OCT, TB, and VCT and
> others, to all stand together, make a stand, and
> tell the industry what we really want.  Honestly,
> I'm not sure any of us understands how powerful each
> of our groups are, and I truly believe most of us,
> in all of our groups, are willing to stand up for
> what we want.
> LET'S UNITE!!!
> LET'S ESTABLISH WHO IT IS WHO REALLY WANTS and WHO
> REALLY BUYS CARDS.  LET'S INFORM THE INDUSTRY WHO
> THEIR CUSTOMERS REALLY ARE !!!
> Why stop now?
> Well, because I know I am unable to control the card
> industry.    However, I also know that with all of
> us on the same page, we can indeed, control our
> destiny.  Between OCT, OBC, VCT, TB, and our
> friendly folks from CSCT, I truly believe we could
> make an impact on how to control the sports card
> industry.
>  Truly, gentlemen, it's not that difficult.  All we
> need to do is speak up, all on  the same page.  I
> truly, this is a time of turmoil for MLB and  the
> Players Association.  They to know they NEED their
> product to sell.  WE HOWEVER, can be the voice that
> tells them WHAT they should be selling.
> Please, get back to me.  Let's pursue this.  Let's
> tell this industry what we really want.
> I want to shove our opinions down the throats of
> some big time Topps, MLB, and UD execs.  I think I
> can do that; wont you please help?
> Walker
>   Walker

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Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:49:43 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: computer problem

Luckily we got a laptop a couple days ago and this is my first email I'm
sending from it. Today my wife was surfing the net on our desktop pc and it went
dead. We can't restart it now -- we only get a "windows error" screen. Any

=================

To: 
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:22:38 -0700
From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF OBC Committee

I vote for Bobo Newsom, Oscar Gamble, Don Zimmer and John Grubb.  Oops, I
thought you said HOM OBC Committee.

=================

Date: 20 Jun 2006 02:24:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: More prewar availables

I've added some cut singles from the 1929-30 4 in 1 exhibit series which
can be seen at bottom of my prewar wantlist.

=================

Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:35:32 -0400
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Santo poll / BostonTea Party! /        .99 packs/ Braves :-(
=================

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:09:06 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Great lo grade lot of 53 Bowmans on ebay

Unfortunately i don't have paypal and that is all the seller
accepts.Darn it! Some good stars in this lot too like Campy, Hodges,
Musial, Mathews.ebay # 8831184159.

=================

To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 04:27:25 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great lo grade lot of 53 Bowmans on ebay

Okay Linda,

I'll stake a claim

REGARDS --------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Linda" 

Unfortunately i don't have paypal and that is all the seller
accepts.Darn it! Some good stars in this lot too like Campy, Hodges,
Musial, Mathews.ebay # 8831184159.

=================

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:20:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Ken M" 
Subject: Autograph Seekers     - - -      Re: [Ramblings] National Question

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Walker"  wrote:
> I'm curious if anyone has ever hung around an entranceway, perhaps a
back entranceway or something like that, to see if they might score one or two
signings in that way?
> ???
> Walker

I doubt the promoters would let anyone get away with this. With show security
and all, you'd probably need a special badge just to hang around a back
entranceway - if you even knew where the signers were being brought in.
Personally, I don't have the "intestinal fortitude" to try it... with my luck,
I'd get
caught and thrown in jail for 'stealing' someone's autograph.

Ken M

=================

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:08:35 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: looks like war !

take a look at the bidding on ebay item 8831184159 mentioned by  linda.
looks like the obc directory!  gm

=================

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:32:36 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: I am glad i could point out this fine 53 bowman lot

Hi Gary-It is nice to see my information on the 53 Bowman lot did not
go unnoticed by fellow OBCer's.Also you pointing out the "war" over the
lot by OBCer's relieves me about something else.I noticed that OBCer's
occasionally outbid each other for an ebay lot.I have always been
afraid to do that because i thought if i did a bolt of lightening would
come out of the sky and strike me down.I am guilty of doing it but only
when i did it unintentionally because i bid in such haste as i didn't
notice or recognize the name of the high bidder being an OBCer.

Darn it!- Tim just read this and remarked, "Linda,what a line, 'i am
guilty of doing it unintentionally'-- i think Bush should have hired
you to draft an explanation about the bad intelligence he has received
leading up to the Iraq war."

=================

To: 
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 21:27:41 +0100
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: The Veteran's Committee

OBCers --

We had quite an underwhelming response to the OBC Veteran's Committee
voting, but we did get one new member to the HOF (if the four of us that
voted actually mattered!):

Thurman Munson received three votes on the four ballots and take his place
amongst the greats of all-time!  Santo, Minoso, and Oliver ended up with two
votes each, just narrowly missing out.

Take Care, Geno

=================

To: "geno.wagner" ,
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:34:23 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Veteran's Committee

Thurman's lucky I'm a procrastinator.  I would have voted for Tiant and

-----Original Message-----
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of geno.wagner
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:28 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Veteran's Committee

OBCers --

We had quite an underwhelming response to the OBC Veteran's Committee
voting, but we did get one new member to the HOF (if the four of us that
voted actually mattered!):

Thurman Munson received three votes on the four ballots and take his place
amongst the greats of all-time!  Santo, Minoso, and Oliver ended up with two
votes each, just narrowly missing out.

Take Care, Geno

Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 19:20:42 EDT
To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] looks like war !

I would bid but there is no reese in the lot...can't have a bowman lot
without the reese!

=================

To: 
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 22:16:36 -0400
From: "George" 
Subject: Yo FOOT Guys

OBC (Ramblings)Planning to go to Comerica in August... what are best seats??

On deck circle 1st 13 rows between bases  $60
TIGER Den 35 rows from field  $60
Infield box lower level rows 14-34  $35
Club Seats Upper Level first 5 rows  $25

I would sit in the open batters box if I could!

George (TigersGAM)

=================

Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:54:14 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: The most fun i have in OBC

The most fun i have in OBC is when i get an opportunity to send out
one of my favorite cards to other members.
I get to do this when i post some availables or find some hits to a
members want list.When you receive cards from me be sure to take
special note of one particluar card mixed in with the eclectic mix
of oddballs i usually include with the "legitimate" cards which are
the vintage hits to members want lists.
That card is of course the sepia colored Conlon card.Those are my
favorite baseball cards.They were issued by a company called World
Wide Sports with copyright by the Sporting News in the mid
1980's.They predate the black and white Conlon collection cards
which first made their appearance in 1991.
I love the sepia color to these cards which gives them the
atmosphere of the time as opposed to the harsh black and white
Conlons of the 90's.The black and white Conlons of the 1990's are a
lot better known because they had a huge distribution and were sold
in card stores.
The 1 of 2 places i found the sepia colored Conlons were in blister
packs at Toys R'Us stores in the mid 80's.They were not sold in any
baseball card store i know of and were largely overlooked by the
hobby.I went to different Toys R Us at the time and bought as many
packs as i could for $2.99.
The other place i found the sepia Conlons was at a drugstore at the
Torrance mall.They were packaged in a cardboard box like container
with 3 sets and a book inside.The 3 sets included were series 3,4,5.
Some other card collectors have asked me which player is on  my
favorite sepia colored Conlon card.I really like the Ruth, Gehrig,
Cobb cards in the sets but my favorite card is in series 4 -the card
of Jim Thorpe.There aren't too many cards of Thorpe in a baseball
uniform and that is my favorite baseball card of all.
The Conlon sepia cards still show up occasionally on ebay and i just
won a series 3 set.-ebay # 8825723566-Linda

=================

Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:58:45 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "kevin71058" 
Subject: Baseball laughs..

Three-Corner Shots

In the first inning of a game between the Yankees and the Tigers,
AL Kaline smashed a liner which bounced off first baseman Joe
Pepitone's shin directly to second baseman Bobby Richardson, who
threw Kaline out.

The identical play occurred in the sixth inning: A savage line
drive bouncing off Pepitone, going to Richardson, then back to first
for the put-out.  Kaline, robbed of two sure hits, groaned out loud.

"Don't feel bad," jockeyed Pepitone.  "Bobby and I practice that
play everyday."

Small Fry

Albie Pearson is one of the smallest players in history.  "If that
Pearson walked around with a cigar in his mouth,"  observed an
opposing pitcher,  "he'd burn everybody in the knee."

Happy Trading,
Kevin Martens

=================

To: "vct" ,
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 23:16:42 -0400
From: "ant" 
Subject: 1956 fb trimmed cards up for you

Hello All,
someone had a good time cutting these
I have the following 1956 fb:

also 1954 bowman #47
=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:21:12 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: 1953 Bowman

I'm giving up the quest of the 53 Bowmans.  I will be hitting wantlists over
the weekend, so if you collect 53 Bowman please make sure you are up to date
in "Who collects what".

I also would be interested in trading some of my nicer (or larger groups) of
53 Bowmans (also some 55 Bowman HOFers and stars) for cards from my priority

39 Playballs
41 Playballs
52 Topps
56 Topps
67 Red Sox Stickers
67 Topps
69 OPC
Atlantic Oil
71 Bazooka
71 Topps
72 Topps

thanks in advance

=================

To: 
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:32:14 -0400
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Subject: I'm getting locked up !!

.... for Muscular Dystrophy!

Hope you guys don't mind me sending this link to a website that will get meout
of jail !!  My goal is to collect $1000 and every little bit helps.

At the link below, you could contribute by credit card or print out a mailer

https://www.mdaevent.org/ParticipantInfo.aspx?j02cf04a5-dbd9-4ef7-aced-98a5800a9c1f&tac812cc9-a91a-4d0d-a11a-b17c6abd96a6
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To: 
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 12:55:26 -0700
From: "Grant" 
Subject: Negro Leagues Stuff

Tomorrow, if all goes as planned, I=92ll be taking in a Vancouver
Canadians (NW League) game. If it works out, I=92ll be sitting with an 87
year old youngster who is still a rabid BB fan. In his earlier years he
was a journalist, and covered the Negro Leagues many many MANY years ago
for the Philadelphia Bulletin. I understand he is still extremely sharp
with a wicked memory. I don=92t know quite what to expect, but if anyone
has any questions you  would like me to ask him on your behalf, feel
free to send them my way. I=92ll be outta here around 11 PST Friday
morning, or 2 EST.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 00:52:25 +0000
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net
Subject: smokey cards

I know I have seen past discussions on removing smells from cards.  I received an ebay lot today of 74 Fleer Baseball Firsts and the cards reek of cigarette smoke.

Anybody have some suggestions to get rid of the smell?

Peter Mead
=================

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:34:31 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Re: smokey cards

In a message dated Thu Jun 22, 2006 6:45 pm (PDT), "hoot-owl@comcast.net"
hoot-owl@comcast.net writes:

> I know I have seen past discussions on removing smells from cards. I
> received an ebay lot today of 74 Fleer Baseball Firsts and the cards reekof
> cigarette smoke.
> Anybody have some suggestions to get rid of the smell?

Sure Peter, I have a few:

1) Place the cards in a plastic bag with some baking powder. The baking
powder works well for taking odors out of refrigerators, so why not baseball
You can even shake the bag and get the powder all over the cards, which will
help you with your next game of leaners, but I wouldn't recommend mailing the
cards afterwards (especially to any goverment facilities) with an "unknown
powdery substance" on them. No word on whether actually baking the cards with
baking powder on them does any better, although the plastic bag doesn't fare
too well in the oven.
2) Place the cards in a box with some of those scented candles. I don't know
if this is as effective as the baking powder and special care must be used if
you decide to light the candle. If the cards catch on fire, then they'll smell
smoky again and you'll be right back at square one.
3) Affix the cards to your clothing and locate a skunk to antagonize. If you
can manage to corner it somehow and make threatening moves, you'll no longer
have that smoky smell to worry about... you won't have to worry about having
friends and family over the house for a while either.
4) Cleverly place a card or two on your wrist and visit the mall. Find a s
tore that sells perfume and lets you get free samples. This process takes abit
longer, especially if you want to cover both sides and have a lot of cards in
the lot. Personally, I have insecurities about spraying a lot of perfume on
myself, so I can't speak from experience on this one.
5) Punch a hole in the top of the card and string it through one of those
pine tree car air fresheners and hang it from your rear view mirror. It probably
won't make a dent in the smell and might make your car smell like smoke too,
but it'll look really cool and make a great conversation starter if you like
pick up hitch hikers on the interstate like I do.
6) Take up cigarette smoking. Although there's many health disadvantages, if
you can work your way up to a pack or two per day, the whole house and
everything you own will smell like cigarette smoke, so you won't notice it on
cards... although I think loss of your sense of smell is probably associated
with smoking too, so you've got that working in your favor as well.
7) Grab a bar of Irish Spring soap and a cheese grater. Cover the cards with
a fine powder of soap and dunk the whole lot in the sink. Carefully scrub away
the dirt and smoke paying attention not to wash off too much of the pictures
and stats. You can then dry them in a large book or use the car air freshener
technique discussed earlier if you don't mind too much warping.
That's all I can think of at the spur of the moment, but I hope you find some
of them useful. Happy collecting. TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:42:41 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: collection reduction and Topps giveaway

My collecting goal is not to have the largest, most valuable or best
condition collection. I just want to complete sets that look good in my albums  so I
can look at them and enjoy while sitting on the couch watching a game. I  want
to collect sets that I think I can one day finish without busting the bank,
and I want to collect sets where I can make impulse buys on Ebay for less than
$5. That said, some of my Topps sets don't fit this criteria -- I have to
admit  that I don't feel much energy around finishing my 1958, 1961 or 1964
sets...so  I'm going to redistribute them to OBCers. I'm going to start with 1964.
This is  not a trade, this is just a plain old distribution. If you want to
hit back,  that's always welcome, but not necessary. Last note, if you have any
minimum  condition standards; about 99% of these cards won't meet them.

I'd like to impact some close sets so if you're within about 25 cards of
finishing 1964, please send me your wantlist and I'll see what I can hit. Once I
move out the 64s, I'm going to start on 61 and then 58.

So send me those short 64 wantlists (and please include your address to
speed packing)!

=================

To: 
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:01:41 -0700
From: "Grant" 
Subject: Negro Leagues Stuff

Well, the meeting went off as planned=85..and to describe Jim Kelley=92s
memory as =93fairly sharp for an 87 year old=94 is an understatement. It=92s
better than mine, and he=92s got 30 years on me. Turns out he also covered
the Philadephia A=92s, as well as the Phil. Stars. I hope to get another
chance to do some brain-picking about the A=92s=85..

A few sent me questions to ask:

Keith- he did remember Lonnie Summers, described him as a =93utility=94 kind
of guy. Couldn=92t remember anybody else named Summers.

Linda and Tim- I asked for the comparison for Satchell Paige to J.R.
Richard. He said it was hard to compare then and now for various
reasons. He said J.R.=92s potential was never realized (due to his stroke
of course), and brought in names like Ryan and Clemens. He likened Paige
to Koufax in his prime, just before his arm problems. He said Paige
could pick a button off your shirt with a pitch or untie your shoelace
if he felt like it.  He also said that the Negro League teams traveled a
lot, and usually played 7 inning doubleheaders. Paige generally worked 3
innings and came out, regardless of the score, and Kelley said the score
was almost always in Paige=92s favor. He said Paige pitched every single
day, and the modern pitchers go about every 4th or 5th day. Most stats
weren=92t kept back then, except for some weekend games. He talked about
Ryan=92s walk ratio, and thinks that Clemens has been on the juice. He
said the only juice the Negro Leaguers were on was the flask that kept
getting passed around the field during the games. Everybody wanted to
see Paige, and a lot of places had money-back guarantees=85.=94if Paige
doesn=92t play, you don=92t pay.=94

Peter- I never got the chance to ask about his All Star picks=85I was so
busy yakking to him I missed most of the game too, but at least I scored
the tickets for free. I did ask him about which players in his opinion
would have made it in the bigs and gone on to the HOF. Interesting
answer=85he said =93not many, surprisingly.=94  He said a guy like =93Turkey=94
Stearns wouldn=92t be likely to ever get off the bench. The ones he
mentioned that he thought might have had a chance were Paige, Cool Papa
Bell, and Josh Gibson. He went on to say that most of the players in the
Negro Leagues were, in his opinion, self-taught, without the teaching
and coaching available to whites, or the opportunities, so the odds were
against them from the git go.

I=92ll send out another blurb tomorrow if I get a chance=85.Mr. Kelley had
some really interesting observations, and certainly wasn=92t shy about
expressing his opinions=85..a true journalist!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:58 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "klsdad2000" 
Subject: Re: collection reduction and Topps giveaway

Oh crap!  Andy's 1958T's were the only year I could hit on a semi-
regular basis.  Well, since he's starting with 64 and then 61 we
could work on that 1958 set for him before it's too late!

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, typecard@... wrote:
> My collecting goal is not to have the largest, most valuable or
> condition collection. I just want to complete sets that look good
in my albums  so I
> can look at them and enjoy while sitting on the couch watching a
game. I  want
> to collect sets that I think I can one day finish without busting
the bank,
> and I want to collect sets where I can make impulse buys on Ebay
for less than
>  $5. That said, some of my Topps sets don't fit this criteria -- I
have to
> admit  that I don't feel much energy around finishing my 1958,
1961 or 1964
> sets...so  I'm going to redistribute them to OBCers. I'm going to
start with 1964.
> This is  not a trade, this is just a plain old distribution. If
you want to
> hit back,  that's always welcome, but not necessary. Last note, if
you have any
> minimum  condition standards; about 99% of these cards won't meet
> I'd like to impact some close sets so if you're within about 25
cards of
> finishing 1964, please send me your wantlist and I'll see what I
can hit. Once I
> move out the 64s, I'm going to start on 61 and then 58.
> So send me those short 64 wantlists (and please include your
address to
> speed packing)!
> Andy

=================

To: 
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:10:01 -0400
From: "Mark Holland" 
Subject: question

YEAR ID ACC COMPANY

1939             R      303-A              GOUDEY
1939             R      303-B              GOUDEY
1939             R      303-C              GOUDEY

Can someone explain what the ID and ACC numbers are referencing in the old card
designations?  I am using the SCD catalog and it is listed for some but
not all sets.  I want to understand the designations to ensure that I correctly
update my list when I run across one of these treasures.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mark Holland
Vintage Wantlist:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck
=================

To: 
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:08:42 -0700
From: "Grant" 
Subject: A little more Negro Leagues Stuff....

I asked Mr. Kelley if he shared the belief that integration killed the
Negro Leagues. I wasn=92t taking notes, so I=92ll paraphrase his answers. He
said Oh Yeah. As the black players entered the majors, the black fans
started watching and following them. The fan base for the Negro Leagues
fell right off. It=92s interesting that the most resistance to integration
came from the black owners of the Negro League teams. Up =91til then, the
money they were making was going into the player=92s and the black owner=92s
pockets, but that all changed. A lot of the money that was used to back
the Negro Leagues was coming from Jews. Big league baseball back then
really resisted letting Jews into their business. Abe Sapperstein
(Harlem Globetrotters) was financially involved with the Indianapolis
Clowns for example. No coincidence that they were pretty entertaining I
guess=85they had a catcher who sat in a rocking chair behind the plate,
and could still make the throw to second. The shortstop often took a
newspaper out on the field to read and still managed to play.

Did you travel with the team? No, for two reasons=85.the paper I worked
for was cheap, and after the games the players would go places I
couldn=92t. You have to understand that discrimination worked both
ways=85after the games, most of the players ended up in a Blues bar, and I
would have stood out like a sore thumb. To save money, they=92d sleep on
the bus on their way to their next game.

Any team stand out as the best you saw back then? Homestead Grays in the
early =9140s. Buck Leonard, Josh Gibson, Cool Papa Bell all playing on the
same team. I kind of lost touch around then because I had gone off to
Europe during the war. I almost couldn=92t get into the Army=85In
Pennsylvania you had to be at least 116 pounds, and I was around 112, so
I went to another State that had 110 as their minimum and joined up. (He
was pretty proud to have ended up a 1st Sgt.)

(I was wearing my OBC shirt and hat of course, and the topic of cards
came up- he said he used to have a ton of them, but when he got back
from WWII his mom had taken care of that=85.heavy sigh!)

Did you see the House of David? Yes, but only after they had shaved off
their beards and started fighting amongst themselves. They were playing
baseball to raise money for their colony, and trying to convert folks
along the way.

There were several teams named the Giants=85  Yes, Elite Giants, American
Giants. Campanella played about 5 years with the Baltimore Elite Giants.
The Philadelphia A=92s could have had him real easy, but Connie Mack
wasn=92t having any of it, so he went to the Dodgers instead. I remember
once trying to get a photo of Mack and Satchell Paige together. Mack
would usually only let photos of himself and black players get taken
under the stands, and not on the field. I went to Satch and asked if he
would go under the stands for a picture, and he said =93What do I want to
get my picture taken with that old SOB for?=94 I never did get that

Ever thought of writing a book? Nah, it=92s pretty much all been said. If
you=92re only ever gonna read one book about the Negro Leagues, read =93Only
The Ball Was White.=94 I think the guy who wrote it just died recently.

Needless to say, I hope to hook up with Mr. Kelley again. It didn=92t take
a whole lot of work to get the stories out of him=85.just get him started
on a topic and let him go.

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Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 17:28:53 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Thanks Grant for shaing the details of your conversation

Thanks a lot Grant for sharing the details of your conversation with
Mr. Kelly.I especially learned a lot about Satchell Paige from the
conversation.I have the autobiography "Maybe I'll Pitch Forever" in
paperback but i really didn't learn  very much about Satch as a person
because he seems to be very careful in what he says in that book.
It was very interesting to find out from Mr. Kelley what Satch said
about the circumstances about that picture with Connie Mack:



Nice to find out Satch was not some sort of "scared rabbit"-afraid to
talk- and was not afraid to express his distaste for Mack.

But my husband Tim found that out too when he talked to Satch briefly
outside the Shrine auditorium in LA just after a Harlem Globetrotters
game where Satch was an added attraction.Tim asked Satch how he would
have pitched to Ty Cobb and Satch replied ,"one things for sure, if he
spiked a player on my team he would have had a few broken ribs next
time he came up to bat."

=================

Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 16:10:39 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com
Subject: the postman cometh...

The annual drive begins with the first wave of packages/envelops/whatever in
the mail today -
to be exact 43 hit the post office today.  I still
have about 20 more to be addressed and sent out.
So, I emptied most of my 70's dup boxes.

The next wave will be from my 50's and 60's
dup boxes.

I need a more current directory addressbook as
the one that I keep on my laptop is from Feb.
Can someone send me the latest in a text format.
Thanks in advance, Kent

=================

Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:46:07 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "rayluurs" 
Subject: 1971 Topps variation

On my Blesch Software program it shows that card #630 Roberto Clemente
has a correct and error variation, but in both my SCD and Beckett's
show only one card in the 1971 set.  Is there only one version of the
card as SCD and Beckett's suggest or is there an error card? If there
is what is the variation.

Thanks for any information.

=================

Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 21:46:08 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "rayluurs" 
Subject: 1971 Topps variation

On my Blesch Software program it shows that card #630 Roberto Clemente
has a correct and error variation, but in both my SCD and Beckett's
show only one card in the 1971 set.  Is there only one version of the
card as SCD and Beckett's suggest or is there an error card? If there
is what is the variation.

Thanks for any information.

=================

Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 18:32:54 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: computer problem update

I reported a week ago that my pc was having trouble. I called Dell and they
said we needed to reinstall the operating system. I took it to Comp USA to
back  up the hard drive first. They just called and said they can't recognize the
hard  drive. I'm worried the hard drive is dead and I've lost everything on
it -- most  importantly two years of pictures of my kids. Any suggestions?

=================

To: ,
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:14:08 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] the postman cometh...

You can get a copy of the current online directory (password protected) here
http://www.oldbaseball.com/OBCWCW/MemberProfiles.htm

-----Original Message-----
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of kwg0@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 4:11 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] the postman cometh...

The annual drive begins with the first wave of packages/envelops/whatever
in the mail today -
to be exact 43 hit the post office today.  I still
have about 20 more to be addressed and sent out.
So, I emptied most of my 70's dup boxes.

The next wave will be from my 50's and 60's
dup boxes.

I need a more current directory addressbook as
the one that I keep on my laptop is from Feb.
Can someone send me the latest in a text format.
Thanks in advance, Kent

=================

To: "Mark Holland" ,
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:30:54 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] question

I believe the number system was put in place by the American Card Catalog
(hence ACC).  I believe some of the the letters were assigned included;

N - 19th century
T - Tobacco 20th centruy
W - Strip cards
E - Early Candy and Gum Cards
F - Food
C - Canadian
D - Bakery/Bread
M - Media?
R - Recent Candy and Gum Cards, post 1933 I believe as R300, which is the
first number in my Sports Collectors Bible (1975) is of George C. Miller

-----Original Message-----
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Mark Holland
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 10:10 AM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question

YEAR ID ACC COMPANY

1939             R      303-A              GOUDEY
1939             R      303-B              GOUDEY
1939             R      303-C              GOUDEY

Can someone explain what the ID and ACC numbers are referencing in the old
card designations?  I am using the SCD catalog and it is listed for some but
not all sets.  I want to understand the designations to ensure that I
correctly update my list when I run across one of these treasures.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mark Holland
Vintage Wantlist:
http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=169083&ck

=================

Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 05:36:58 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: 1959-1968 Availables

I have not put out any availables lately, so I figured I needed to
get in gear.  While my wife was busy working on this beautiful night
in the suburbs of Chicago, I found some time this evening to get
through my "to sort" box.  The result is a number of availables that
I have probably been sitting on for a few months.  Claim away - and
please include an address.  Thank you.

1959 - 482
1960 - 323 317
1962 - 355 277 178 87
1963 - 388 44 58 20 (Kubek)
1964 - 402 309 267 252 240 215 131 130 103 65
1965 - 446 273 27 9(writing on back)
1966 - 475 375 205 187
1968 - 586 580 548 545 535 518(unchecked) 508 463 458 440 424 415
313 249 153 11 8

Most of the cards are in pretty good condition.  The 68's are real
nice.  A few high numbers in there as well.  I will try and get more
availables posted in the very near future.  Until then,  Claim away.

=================

Date: 25 Jun 2006 10:09:44 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings

The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: Should Ron Santo be in MLB's Hall Of Fame?  The poll ends 7-4-06.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- PROBABLY, because some people less deserving have already been elected., 1 votes, 12.50%
- UNDECIDED., 2 votes, 25.00%
- PROBABLY NOT, because too many are in already that shouldn't be., 1 votes, 12.50%
- NO!, 2 votes, 25.00%
- YES!, 2 votes, 25.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- PROBABLY, because some people less deserving have already been elected.
- philliesphan73@comcast.net
- UNDECIDED.
- KEVINM38@aol.com
- keithsummers@webtv.net
- PROBABLY NOT, because too many are in already that shouldn't be.
- wguthrie@axint.net
- NO!
- dcoen@willamette.edu
- jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
- YES!
- tldietrick@yahoo.com
- jimbo7777777@earthlink.net

For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings

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http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:32:51 -0400
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Just for the record

Walter is really Walker! In a recent Thank you post I mistakenly thanked
"Walter" Guthrie for a much appreciated puffy. Sorry Walker!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
To: obc wantlist ,
From: Matthew 
Subject: 1934 Goudey WL, extras, and pinch-hit HRs

Did some pre-war organizing and came up with a real 1934 Goudey wantlist, along
with some dupes.

Need these:
001 002 003 005 006 008 009 010 012 014 016 017 018 019 020 022 023 027 030 031
033 034 035 036 037 038 040 041 046 049 050 052 053 055 056 057 058 059 061 062
063 064 067 068 073 074 075 079 080 082 084 085 086 087 088 089 090 091 093 094
095 096

Have these extras:
43 Porter (Indians) 47 Frederick (Dodgers) 48 Carleton (Cardinals)

If you have other 34Gs to trade for the the above, great! If not, let me know

Card #47 notes that John Frederick set a then-record of 6 pinch-hit homers in
one season. The record stood for quite some time--it was finally surpassed with
7 in 2000 by Dave Hensen (also in 2001 by Craig Wilson). Any vintage (pre-1980)
pinch-hit HRs that OBCers out there saw and can still remember? I'm young
enough that the Mariners from 1979 and 1980 are my only vintage fan years--and
not many to report from those teams!

(also, the informative Wikipedia pinch-hitting page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinch-hitter)

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=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:59:05 -0500
From: "George Vrechek" 
Subject: Re: 1971 Topps variation

Dear Ray (and gang)
I don't know of any variation involving #630 in 1971 Topps.
George Vrechek
=================

To: 
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:28:26 -0700
From: "Dave Fallen" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1971 Topps variation

My BB card database shows:
330 Roberto Clemente
330B Roberto Clemente (team name in white)

I don't have any 1971's myself.

-Dave Fallen

----- Original Message -----
From: rayluurs
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1971 Topps variation

On my Blesch Software program it shows that card #630 Roberto Clemente
has a correct and error variation, but in both my SCD and Beckett's
show only one card in the 1971 set. Is there only one version of the
card as SCD and Beckett's suggest or is there an error card? If there
is what is the variation.

Thanks for any information.

=================

Date: 26 Jun 2006 02:02:53 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Availables

The following are up for grabs.  Please send your address to help me get
them out promptly.

1980 Topps: 3 12 30 34 38 39 47 51 54 66 74 83 106 122 137 157 158 161 183
184 189 198 211 223 226 237 246 249 254 263 281 286 294 295 317 327 333
611 618 626 645 654 674 702 708

1979 Topps: 11 23 37 51 54 58 59 67 77 78 83 104 121 129 137 154 157 168
241 281 528 538 605 633 637 653 660 662 670 671 683 686 691 716

=================

Date: 26 Jun 2006 02:14:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: More availables

Here's some more up for graba.  Please send your address to help me get
them out soon.

1978 Topps: 131 161 177 185 194 214 236 297 326 330 352 394 398 436 443
503 534 543 544 554 567 671

1977 Topps: 154 167 325 422 499 502 506 511 541 567 586 588 593 619 649

1976 Topps Traded: 28T 83T 127T 208T 383T 497T 524T 528T 579T 583T 592T

=================

Date: 26 Jun 2006 02:47:51 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Round three availables

Here's round three of the up for grabs.  Please send an address to speed

1976 Topps: 36 43 52 53 63 75 96 151 170 181 224 239 243 244 254 256 269
273 281 283 287 295 299 322 323 324 327 332 351 352 357 361 367 369 379
390 395 397 398 399 404 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 418 422 423 424 431
436 439 444 445 446 451 454 463 478 483 485 486 491 493 495 506 509 511
516 521 524 536 539 540 546 552 553 559 560 568 576 588 617

=================

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:27:34 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com
Subject: the postman cometh...

Second wave out today - 38 envelops/SCP.

=================

Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 22:36:18 EDT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com
Subject: Top Ten Wantlist...

My number one card on my Top Ten Wantlist arrived today.  I can finally lay
my number one to rest - 53 Bowman #32 Stan Musial.
Anyone got my number two or three laying around - 53 Topps #82 Mantle and 244

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:45:34 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: Re: 1959-1968 Availables

I have a few more to add to my 59-68 availables group.  I came
across a box today that had the word UPGRADES written on it.  Then
it dawned on me.  I had purchased a number of cards, mostly 59 and
60, to upgrade.  Here are the remainders.  Feel free to post another
claim.  I havn't even started to sort through the last claim. (Only
a handful of emails in response to the first availables listing) No
need to feel pressure to hit my lists.  Just include your address
please.  Thanks.

1959:  55 56 84 97 110 120 125 128 129 130 132 137 140 141 145 165
192 197 203 253 256 271 281 286 297 299 301 305 311 316 319 324 327
363 339 364 369 396 401 422 500

1960:  430 362 341 337 323 303 184 155 131 125 104 89 45 27 22 3

1965:  417 232 21

1966:80 325 341
1968:  158

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "T.J. Valacak" 
> I have not put out any availables lately, so I figured I needed to
> get in gear.  While my wife was busy working on this beautiful
> in the suburbs of Chicago, I found some time this evening to get
> through my "to sort" box.  The result is a number of availables
> I have probably been sitting on for a few months.  Claim away -
> please include an address.  Thank you.
> T.J.
> 1959 - 482
> 1960 - 323 317
> 1962 - 355 277 178 87
> 1963 - 388 44 58 20 (Kubek)
> 1964 - 402 309 267 252 240 215 131 130 103 65
> 1965 - 446 273 27 9(writing on back)
> 1966 - 475 375 205 187
> 1968 - 586 580 548 545 535 518(unchecked) 508 463 458 440 424 415
> 313 249 153 11 8
> Most of the cards are in pretty good condition.  The 68's are real
> nice.  A few high numbers in there as well.  I will try and get
> availables posted in the very near future.  Until then,  Claim

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 03:52:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: Canadian Oddball

I picked up an interesting oddball at Sportsfest, with the hopes that
I could put it in the mail to someone in the group. It is a sugar
packet produced by a company called Redpath.  On one side, it has a
picture of Chris Spiers on the Expos.  ON the top of that side is his
name, position, height and weight printed in french.  On the bottom,
the same info in English.  On the ther side is the Expos logo.  ON
top, more info on Spier in French, with the same info on the bottom in
English.  Does anyone know what this is and what "set" it might be a
part of?  If anyone is interested in claiming it, feel free.  Just
give me an address.

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:02:25 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: obc address list

Someone please send me the latest list.

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:59:26 -0400
To: obcbobd@comcast.net
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: suggestion :  OBC address list

Suggestion:   Adjust the group settings so that the directory link is in
the trailer of each email along with instructions.  It only takes 2
minutes and there is plenty of room :-)  Maybe add a few other links
(like to the OBC home page or to the UV group) or tips also, to help the
group run more smoothly (rule reminders etc).

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:43:18 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: How ebay sellers raise bids to just below your max bid

Have you ever noticed how some items you bid on with ebay you seem to
win the item for your max bid when you thought you should have won it
cheaper.That is because ebay sellers have other id's and bid up items
to have the last bid just under your max bid thus making you pay the
most for the item.
An example is a Ryan Rookie card may be on ebay.Current bid might be
$40 with 4 or 5 previous bidders if you check the bidding history.You
want the card but you don't think you can win it for only $42 so
instead of placing the next higher increment bid which may be $42 you
bid $110 which is about what you think the card will go for and the
maximium you would want to pay.
When the auction ends you are the winner at $110- your max bid.Then
you look at the bidding history and see something like this:

What happened was you should have won the card for $42 by outbidding
the next highest LEGITIMATE bidder at $40 but what happened was there
was a bid placed in the last 10 seconds of $107.50 by the seller
under a different id forcing you to pay your max bid of $110.

How to avoid sellers on ebay making phony bids to raise the bids to
the max-
Check the selling history of the items of the seller and if you see
bids raised to just under the max bid a few seconds before the
auction ends don't make a bid way above the present bid on the item-

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:04:44 EDT
To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How ebay sellers raise bids to just below your max bid

In a message dated 6/27/2006 12:51:29 PM Central Standard Time,
jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes:

What  happened was you should have won the card for $42 by outbidding
the next  highest LEGITIMATE bidder at $40 but what happened was there
was a bid  placed in the last 10 seconds of $107.50 by the seller
under a different  id forcing you to pay your max bid of $110.

how does the seller know that you max bid was $110.  can he see that  before
the auction ends?  gm

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:18:43 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
Subject: Yes, the seller can view all bids

Yes, the seller can view the amount and max amount of all bids during the
course of the auction so if he sees your max bid of $110 and the current high bid
is yours at $42 he can raise the bid to the increment just under $110 or
$107.50 10 seconds before the auction ends and force you to pay $110 and not $42
which is one bid above the next high LEGITIMATE bid of $40.-Linda

=================

To: ,
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 11:18:07 -0700
From: "Grant" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] How ebay sellers raise bids to just below your max bid

No he can=92t see your max bid=85.what I think is happening here, if the
scenario is correct, is the seller, if he is bidding, is more or less
setting a reserve price by putting in a bid, without having to pay the
$2 extra for a reserve listing. He=92s making sure that the card sells for
his minimum price=85

In a message dated 6/27/2006 12:51:29 PM Central Standard Time,
jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes:
What happened was you should have won the card for $42 by outbidding
the next highest LEGITIMATE bidder at $40 but what happened was there
was a bid placed in the last 10 seconds of $107.50 by the seller
under a different id forcing you to pay your max bid of $110.
how does the seller know that you max bid was $110.  can he see that
before the auction ends?  gm

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To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:54:48 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How ebay sellers raise bids to just below your max bid

Linda, this practice is known as shill bidding and is not allowed on eBay.  If you can substantiate your claim then you should report it to eBay and get the crook out.  Just my thoughts - BE WELL!!!

REGARDS ------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Linda" 

Have you ever noticed how some items you bid on with ebay you seem to
win the item for your max bid when you thought you should have won it
cheaper.That is because ebay sellers have other id's and bid up items
to have the last bid just under your max bid thus making you pay the
most for the item.
An example is a Ryan Rookie card may be on ebay.Current bid might be
$40 with 4 or 5 previous bidders if you check the bidding history.You
want the card but you don't think you can win it for only $42 so
instead of placing the next higher increment bid which may be $42 you
bid $110 which is about what you think the card will go for and the
maximium you would want to pay.
When the auction ends you are the winner at $110- your max bid.Then
you look at the bidding history and see something like this:

What happened was you should have won the card for $42 by outbidding
the next highest LEGITIMATE bidder at $40 but what happened was there
was a bid placed in the last 10 seconds of $107.50 by the seller
under a different id forcing you to pay your max bid of $110.

How to avoid sellers on ebay making phony bids to raise the bids to
the max-
Check the selling history of the items of the seller and if you see
bids raised to just under the max bid a few seconds before the
auction ends don't make a bid way above the present bid on the item-

=================

Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:25:09 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
Subject: if he can't see your max bid
Content-Language: en


Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids... I disagree



Linda-

     Sorry to disagree, but....  unless something has changed in the
last few months (since the last time I sold on eBay) the seller cannot
see a bidder's maximum proxy bid. The amount seen is that amount
required to bump the bid up one more notch. For instance, say the
minimum bid increment is $1, and the item is currently at $20. If I bid
$50 everyone, including the seller, sees my maximum bid as $21 (even
though I have a ceiling bid of $50 in place). If the next bidder then
bids $25, my visible maximum bid would jump to $26 (but still with an
invisible $50 maximum in place). What happens a lot at the end of
auctions is sniper action. Many bidders (like myself) wait until the
last few seconds to place their maximum bid, often via an automated
bidding service. This avoids bidding wars early on in the action, and
explains why final bids seem to jump dramatically in the last few
seconds. Yes, it may sometimes be a shill bid by the seller, but more
often it's just a handful of snipers waiting in the weeds to place
their bids at the last possible moment. I've still LOST many lots where
my last second bid-snipe doubled the previous high bid. That's just the
nature of the beast. Bottom line, know your seller, bid only what you
are willing to pay, and bid as late as possible in the action.  DR

jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote:





Yes, the
seller can view the amount and max amount of all bids during the course
of the auction so if he sees your max bid of $110 and the current high
bid is yours at $42 he can raise the bid to the increment just under
$110 or $107.50 10 seconds before the auction ends and force you to pay
$110 and not $42 which is one bid above the next high LEGITIMATE bid of

=================

To: "Grant" , , 
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:42:24 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] How ebay sellers raise bids to just below your max bid

It is still shill bidding and not suppose to be permitted.

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Grant" 

No he can’t see your max bid….what I think is happening here, if the scenario is correct, is the seller, if he is bidding, is more or less setting a reserve price by putting in a bid, without having to pay the $2 extra for a reserve listing. He’s making sure that the card sells for his minimum price…

In a message dated 6/27/2006 12:51:29 PM Central Standard Time, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes:
What happened was you should have won the card for $42 by outbidding
the next highest LEGITIMATE bidder at $40 but what happened was there
was a bid placed in the last 10 seconds of $107.50 by the seller
under a different id forcing you to pay your max bid of $110.
how does the seller know that you max bid was $110.  can he see that before the auction ends?  gm

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:17:34 EDT
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
Subject: I don't have the item # anymore

>I've sold some on eBay and could not see max bids.  However, that doesn't
stop sellers from placing phony bids to raise prices.  I suppose the seller
could have placed a bid of $1000, saw that it raised the winning bid to $112.50,
canceled his $1000 bid and then from a different account, bid $107.50, or he
might have just got got lucky.  Do you have the item # we could look at it to do
some analysis?>

Sorry , but i don't have the item # anymore- it happened on an auction about
6 months ago but i sure remember it.Also i remember there were no bid
retractions on the auction.The Ryan for $110 was just a hypothetical situation i made
up as an example.It actually happened on a lof of non sport cards i was
bidding on.

There is one particular non sport set or cards that a lot of strange bidding
seems to re occur on- It is the 1967 Star Trek Leaf cards.Whenever a lot of
these appears on ebay strange things happen during the bidding like an unusually
large number of bids on the cards or the bids on the lot going up hundreds of
dollars in the last seconds.Every time a lot of these cards shows up on ebay
and i find out about it i always bid on them because they are my most wanted
non sport cards.
Check out ebay #  6286313308 because that was my happiest day on ebay- I
actually won a lot of  10!!!!! of these cards after bidding unsuccessfully on just
about every lot of them that shows up .I won the lot for only $45.70 or less
than $5 a card.That is a big deal to me because these cards are $25 and up at
the local card shop stores when they are infrequently in dealers cases.
I would love to be able to go to the Philly non sport show back east and look
for these cards but unfortunately i can't afford the trip.
And unfortunately the local card shop bid board is no help in obtaining these
cards- While i have won some great baseball cards on the bid board for very
cheap prices it is not the case for these Star Trek cards i am looking for.If
one shows up on the bid board the bidding starts at $20 and goes up from
there.Baseball cards go for cheap on the bid board but non sports cards go for way
over book and a lot of  the local collectors will pay $20 for a particular  non
sport card they want and 50 cents max for like a Carlton 65 rookie card.I
just won one on the bid board on Saturday for 75 cents to replace the one i had
which was cut in half that i sent to an OBC member.The one i won is at least a
full card- Linda

=================

To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:27:49 -0400
From: Bob Saxton 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

I sell regularly on ebay, everything from books to farm equipment, and if
there is a way for the seller to know any bidders maximum bid I've never
found it.  Please let me know how I can access that info.  Thanks!

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:18:43 EDT jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes:
Yes, the seller can view the amount and max amount of all bids during the
course of the auction so if he sees your max bid of $110 and the current
high bid is yours at $42 he can raise the bid to the increment just under
$110 or $107.50 10 seconds before the auction ends and force you to pay
$110 and not $42 which is one bid above the next high LEGITIMATE bid of
=================

To: ,
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:59:37 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

Have to disagree with Linda too.  I've won tons of things WAY below my max bids
over the years.

As Don says, sellers can't see the max bids of any bidders, only the amountneeded
to raise the bidding to the next increment.   Ebay has its problemsand
does occasionally tolerate shill bidding, but the situation described below
is simply due to market forces.  If the Ryan card is worth $110 on the
market and lots of people know it, that's likely to be the approximate selling
price in any given ebay auction.  Why would you ever expect to get itfor

----- Original Message -----
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:18 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

Yes, the seller can view the amount and max amount of all bids during thecourse
of the auction so if he sees your max bid of $110 and the current high
bid is yours at $42 he can raise the bid to the increment just under $110
or $107.50 10 seconds before the auction ends and force you to pay $110 and
not $42 which is one bid above the next high LEGITIMATE bid of $40.-Linda

=================

To: 
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:06:30 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Good Ramble!     - - -      Re: suggestion :  OBC address list

I don't think I can even vote yet as I know I'm still newbie, but this sounds
like an idea to me.

----- Original Message -----
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
To: obcbobd@comcast.net
Cc: typecard@aol.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:59 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] suggestion : OBC address list

Suggestion: Adjust the group settings so that the directory link is in
the trailer of each email along with instructions. It only takes 2
minutes and there is plenty of room :-) Maybe add a few other links
(like to the OBC home page or to the UV group) or tips also, to help the
group run more smoothly (rule reminders etc).

=================

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:22:09 -0400
To: Matthew ,
From: Don Rice 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids... I disagree



I agree, Spike, that sounds
suspicious. As everyone knows, despite all the good people on eBay, all
is not always on the up and up. As for unrealistic postage... there's
not much you can do. I only bid on items where the postage is listed,
and I incorporate that amount into the determination of my highest bid.
If I am willing to spend $20 for an item, I don't care if it's $18 for
the item and $2 for postage, or vice versa, as long as the total is $20
or less, I'm okay. I also find myself strongly preferring lots I can
pay for by PayPal... I've got my money back a couple times when things
didn't go well. That never would have happened had I payed by check or
money order. Don

Matthew wrote:

Bottom line, know your seller, bid only what youare willing to pay, and bid as
late as possible in the action.


And, of course, always bid only what you're willing to pay... :)

The only time I can remember being (probably) shilled was for a group of
off-grade 33 Goudeys. The same seller ran a half-dozen lots over the period of
a couple of weeks. I won the first five at reasonable amounts, but someone came
in and chipped away at the last one, putting in almost a dozen bids before
finally going above me. They later made contact with me asking if I was
interested in the cards for the final bid cost (the bidder, not the seller).
Maybe it was a careless bidder, but it seemed an odd coincidence this would
happen after winning similar lots earlier with no competition.

Anyone seen good suggestions for improving postage fee and shill bidding
problems? If eBay ever cares enough to deal with the problems, they'll need
smart people like us to help. :)

=================

Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:19:26 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Do large lots of 49 Bowmans ever show up on ebay?

I would like to know if any member has seen any 100 card + lots of 49
Bowmans on ebay.I have occasionally seen 100 + card lots of 52
topps,51,52,53,54,55 Bowmans but there doesn't ever seem to be any big
lots of 49 Bowmans on ebay.I won a lot of 11 cards (Ebay # 8825093780)
but that is the largest lot of 49 Bowmans i have won.Maybe some of
those OBC friendly dealers i have been hearing about will have a large
lot of them for sale at the National- Linda

=================

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:40:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: Zip Code Change

Effective next month, I will have a new zip code.  (OF course, I
completely forgot about this)  The post office has assured us that our
old zip code will continue to work for the next six months.  Here is
my new address.

T.J. Valacak
1130 Hermitage Lane
Hoffman Estates, IL 60169

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:12:20 +0000
From: obcbobd@comcast.net
Subject: OBC Direcotory Information

In the past few weeks I've traded emails with people who were trying to get the OBC Home Address list.  It seems a lot of people are unfamilure with the online capabilities of the home address list and the "who collects what" page.  In a nutshell;

1.  The most current OBC home address list is online (password protected) and self maintained.  This means that an accurate address list is always a few clicks away; everyone can update their direcory listing at any time.

2. As part of maintaining your online directory information, make sure you check the specific sets you collect.  This maintains the "Who collects what page".  I find this very useful.  If I click on a set, it will list all the OBC members who collect that set with links to their wantlists.  Cool!

Wayne Delia has written a great tutorial on this featuer which can be accessed at http://www.oldbaseball.com/OBCWCW/OBCMemberProfiles.htm

=================

Date: 29 Jun 2006 18:44:11 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Outgoings

Those who requested cards from the last of my availables lists will have
cards going out next Wednesday.  More Availables will go up then.

=================

To: judgeguy@juno.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:50:59 -0400
From: "Bob Reed" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

I believe somebody has suggested how it can be done.  To recap:

Seller places a bid using another ID of some amount 10x or so higher than
the value of the product.
They can then see the amount of the previous high bid.
Then they retract their bid and place another bid just under the previous
high bid using their second ID or even do it with a 3rd ID.

Of course this would only apply against somebody who placed a high bid long
before the end of the auction.

-Bob R

>From: Bob Saxton 
>To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
>CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids
>Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:27:49 -0400
>I sell regularly on ebay, everything from books to farm equipment, and if
>there is a way for the seller to know any bidders maximum bid I've never
>found it.  Please let me know how I can access that info.  Thanks!
>On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:18:43 EDT jazzgirl1920s@aol.com writes:
>Yes, the seller can view the amount and max amount of all bids during the
>course of the auction so if he sees your max bid of $110 and the current
>high bid is yours at $42 he can raise the bid to the increment just under
>$110 or $107.50 10 seconds before the auction ends and force you to pay
>$110 and not $42 which is one bid above the next high LEGITIMATE bid of
> >>

=================

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 20:49:32 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Guy keeps outbidding me on ebay for cards i really want

Hi- anyone who checks my want list knows some cards i really want and
are at the top of my want list are the 1979 Jack Wallin Diamond Greats
cards.I occasionally see single cards or maybe a team set on ebay but
never a full set of 380 cards.In years of watching ebay finally a near
set of 360 out of the 380 cards has shown up on ebay-# 260000827849.Ok
i start bidding on it but this same bidder keeps outbidding me no
matter how high  i go.Check out the bidder history on these cards. I
have gone up to $220 and got outbid again by the same guy.Who the heck
is this cardsandcatsgreen who keeps outbidding me on these cards i have
wanted so long?The auction has an hour and a half left and i just
wonder what i should do.How high should i bid? How high is this other
bidder going to go?I am afraid that i will never see this large or near
a complete set of these cards ever again on ebay.I have been checking
ebay for years trying to find a whole set of these cards show up and
this is the closest to a copmplete set i have seen.--Linda

=================

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:11:32 -0700 (PDT)
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

True, though eBay reports whether a given listing has canceled bids or not.
That's the easiest way to detect seller fraud.

An apparently common way, mentioned by a visiting friend a few weeks ago, is a
"gentlemen's agreement" within an offline friend network. If you know your
friends are selling things, you check up on their stuff once a week or so and
bump the bids by a moderate amount. It's an odd area--very hard to prove as
fraud, but the idea certainly raises my hackles as a bidder. No doubt some
people consider it a "favor," but please don't do it if I'm selling anything.

--- Bob Reed  wrote:

> I believe somebody has suggested how it can be done.  To recap:
> Seller places a bid using another ID of some amount 10x or so higher than
> the value of the product.
> They can then see the amount of the previous high bid.
> Then they retract their bid and place another bid just under the previous
> high bid using their second ID or even do it with a 3rd ID.
> Of course this would only apply against somebody who placed a high bid long
> before the end of the auction.
> -Bob R

Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

=================

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:04:49 EDT
To: boreed@hotmail.com, judgeguy@juno.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

In a message dated 6/29/2006 2:56:21 PM Central Standard Time,
boreed@hotmail.com writes:

I  believe somebody has suggested how it can be done. To recap:

Seller  places a bid using another ID of some amount 10x or so higher than
the  value of the product.
They can then see the amount of the previous high  bid.
Then they retract their bid and place another bid just under the  previous
high bid using their second ID or even do it with a 3rd  ID.

Of course this would only apply against somebody who placed a high  bid long
before the end of the auction.

-Bob  R

hi:  i thought bid retractions were difficult to do.  is it as  easy as you
suggest?  gm

=================

Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 17:12:08 EDT
To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guy keeps outbidding me on ebay for cards i really want

Hi Linda,

I have been in that situation and to me the only answer is to snipe the
auction at the last second with the highest price you feel comfortable paying.  If
it isnt enough then you at least will feel better that you didn't chase it
past a reasonable point and pay more than you are comfortable with. I have
certainly done that.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:29:55 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: F.O.O.T. report

Hello All,

Just a little ramble about Tuesday evenings Detroit Tiger ball game.  I had the pleasure of attending the game with OBC renowned Mike Rich and a friend of his.  We went to root on our 1st place Tiger and watch what might be the final Detroit appearance of Roger 'the Rocket" Clemens.  We were not disappointed.  Clemens faced the required 12 batters in the first 4 innings with the only base runner being eliminated through the double play.  It was not surprising as "The Rocket" has owned the Tigers throughout his career winning about 3 of every 4 games he has pitched against them.  It was surprising that Clemens had only thrown 40 pitches or so through 5 innings and Tiger hitters seemed puzzled by the crafty veteran although he had struck out no one through 5.
Fortunately the Tigers Nate Robertson was keeping stride with the future Hall of Famer and the game remained scoreless into the 7th inning until Ordonez and Guillen reached base on walks.  The Rocket was not amused, and was openly distraught with home plate umpire C.B. Bucknor and Huston Manager Phil Gardner pulled Clemens for reliever Dan Wheeler which didn't please Clemens at all.  Upon his departure nearly 40,000 Tiger faithful rose to their feet and gave the man a rousing round of applause.  As I stood and showed my appreciation for the man, his game and a career of excellence I couldn't help but feel proud to be a Detroit fan in the midst of such a showing of respect.  Certainly a far cry from the Piston/Pacer Beer Brawls of a few years ago and an absolute demonstration of what being a sports fan in this city is all about, a proud moment indeed.
Clemens departure was all the home team needed to make a move on the Astros as Craig Monroe rattled a double off the left field wall scoring Ordonez and Guillen scored on a throwing error by shortstop Adam Everett.  Monroe would score when 3rd baseman Morgan Ensberg booted a routine play off the bat of Brandon Inge and the Tigers were well on their way to a 4-0 victory.  It was great to be in the stands on a Tuesday night with nearly 40,000 fellow fans enjoying another Tiger victory in the middle of June.  Spending the time and the experience with fellow OBC/F.O.O.T. member Mike Rich made it that much more enjoyable.  Thanks for the tic's Mike and the company.

BE WELL OBC and get to a ball game!!!!

REGARDS ---------------- MARK
=================

To: ,
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:55:37 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Re: Ramblings along the OBC road   - - -  Outbid again for cards i really want

Call me scum, but this is MY best, and only trusted way I know to win an auction
without playing the "over bidding war."  Simply figure out what you're
really willing to spend, then, if you can be there at the end, place thatbid
in the last ten or twenty seconds.  If you lose, oh well, it really wasn't
meant to be and likely the price will end up more than what was fair and
probably had some of those "buddy help buddy" scenario's involved anyway.
It likely will end up exceeding what you truly thought was fair or willing
to spend in the first place.  If you win, it will likely be at a price that
is fair and reasonable, and while perhaps a bit on the shady side, since
your bid came in so late, it is indeed legal, often expected, and in the end,
the only way you won is if your bid was the highest placed at the timeof
the auction close.  Perfectly legal.

...just watch out for those sneakin', stinkin',  over priced shipping charges.
Five dollars to mail a single card exceeds what is fair and reasonable,
even if the seller was schmart enough to label those costs, shipping and "handling."
 ...talk about dealer (Seller?) scum... ... ... sheesh!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:12 PM
Subject: [SPAM] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guy keeps outbidding me on ebay for cards
i really want

Hi Linda,

I have been in that situation and to me the only answer is to snipe the auction
at the last second with the highest price you feel comfortable paying.If
it isnt enough then you at least will feel better that you didn't chaseit
past a reasonable point and pay more than you are comfortable with. I have
certainly done that.

=================

To: "obc Ramblings" ,
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:24:03 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: 1st Annual ?????

Oh RATS, I know this is late notice, but many of us who are located in the Awesome,
centrally located, vacation state of Colorado, are planning a Meet-'n'-Greet
get together, centered around the Arizona and Colorado Rockies baseball
game, next Sunday, July 9th, at Coors Field, here in Denver, Colorado.

Some of us are going to meet before the game, most of us during, and a few of
us could even possibly meet after, but what is most important, is that we
are going to get together to flip some cards, (Or just brag about what weare
NOT going to give away.) watch two teams play some baseball in a greatball
park, and share friendship, common interests, and the chance to meet up
with fellow traders.  ALL are welcome, including friends, family, amazing
spouses, amazing girlfriends, children, parents, grandparents, Aunts, Uncles,
cousins, and, well, you get the picture.  And, to help facilitate thisevent,
those of us who are digging into the dirt and trying to make it allhappen,
are also trying to make this happen so that we can all enjoy the camaraderie
and the game, for as reasonable as possible.  I personally have extra
beds, couches, cots, etc., as well as have parking and electrical hook-ups
for your RV or other drive up rig.

My Colorado friends and I will also be able to refer you to good deals on ahotel
or motel, and we are even fixin' to score some pretty decent, reserved,
game ticket seating, for less than the cost of a six pack of your favorite

All this is spelled "friendship" and COLORADO Hospitality.

Come one, come all, but just remember, if you feel this is too short of a notice
to make it for this meeting, you are NOT off the hook for our next venture.

See you at the game !!!!! !!! !!!!!
=================

To: Matthew , obc ramblings 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:48:09 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids

This I can say happens out there - "friend's networking".  In my own ebay bidding practices I can say to an extent I have done this.  If I know that someone (say an OBC'er) is offering some items on eBay I will bid on every item that interests me, usually what I am willing to spend (which usually is not much).  Sometimes I win, usually I do not but my friend can be assured that the winning bid will be at least as much as I was willing to spend.  I don't even want to get into the ridiculous bidding wars we all get into with each other when an OBC auction is under way, that's another story entirely.
I know I practice "friend's network" bidding as I have described it, I'm sure many of you do this as well.  That will have a slight impact on pricing Linda, but not to the extent that you describe.  My two cents worth - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Matthew 

True, though eBay reports whether a given listing has canceled bids or not.
That's the easiest way to detect seller fraud.

An apparently common way, mentioned by a visiting friend a few weeks ago, is a
"gentlemen's agreement" within an offline friend network. If you know your
friends are selling things, you check up on their stuff once a week or so and
bump the bids by a moderate amount. It's an odd area--very hard to prove as
fraud, but the idea certainly raises my hackles as a bidder. No doubt some
people consider it a "favor," but please don't do it if I'm selling anything.

--- Bob Reed  wrote:

> I believe somebody has suggested how it can be done. To recap:
> Seller places a bid using another ID of some amount 10x or so higher than
> the value of the product.
> They can then see the amount of the previous high bid.
> Then they retract their bid and place another bid just under the previous
> high bid using their second ID or even do it with a 3rd ID.
> Of course this would only apply against somebody who placed a high bid long
> before the end of the auction.
> -Bob R

Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
http://mail.yahoo.com

=================

To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:23 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guy keeps outbidding me on ebay for cards i really want

I see that you gave up on this lot.  I happened across it early on and placed a small bid (which you quickly outbid) and then sat back and watched it.  I know I have heard you speak of this set and it obscurity, until this auction I had never seen it.  Do you have any explanation (other than rarity) for the high price realized for a set that barely qualifies for vintage under OBC standards?  Your willingness to plop down $221 certainly indicates its valuable to you but other than you and I there were only 2 other bidders for this lot, I can't explain why the price realized was so high.  My SCD list the set with BV of $275, but I rarely see actual prices realized aproaching the values attached in these guides.  Is this a rare exception or is it something else?  Maybe others in the community can shed some light on this.  Let's hear from our experts.  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ----------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Linda" 

Hi- anyone who checks my want list knows some cards i really want and
are at the top of my want list are the 1979 Jack Wallin Diamond Greats
cards.I occasionally see single cards or maybe a team set on ebay but
never a full set of 380 cards.In years of watching ebay finally a near
set of 360 out of the 380 cards has shown up on ebay-# 260000827849.Ok
i start bidding on it but this same bidder keeps outbidding me no
matter how high i go.Check out the bidder history on these cards. I
have gone up to $220 and got outbid again by the same guy.Who the heck
is this cardsandcatsgreen who keeps outbidding me on these cards i have
wanted so long?The auction has an hour and a half left and i just
wonder what i should do.How high should i bid? How high is this other
bidder going to go?I am afraid that i will never see this large or near
a complete set of these cards ever again on ebay.I have been checking
ebay for years trying to find a whole set of these cards show up and
this is the closest to a copmplete set i have seen.--Linda

=================

To: "trading bases" ,
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 08:13:43 -0400
From: "ant" 
Subject: Starter a new 70 fb set

HEllo All,
I would like a push on this set: Below is wants & extras.For more extras see
my page.
Needs:  1970 second set any condtion #9,30,75,90(oj),132(checklist),135(warfield),137,141,142,145(,146,149,153,154,155,156,162(csoka),163,
Extras:   1970 low grade on avg#3,5,35,56,57,59(page rc),66,68,69,73,74,76,78,80(tarkenton),81washington
rc),88,94,95,96,97.99,100, 101,104,106,109,118,120,123,125,127,128,129,130(brodie),131,136,144(brown),177,208,217,221,22=

http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html

Anthony Arbeeny

=================

Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:06:03 -0400
To: Walker , OBC Ramblings 
From: Don Rice 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yes, the seller can view all bids... I disagree



Walker-

    The bid retraction is a different animal. The example I gave you
was of a legitimate bidder (we'll call him "Bob") who placed a high bid
early on. Think of Bob's early bid as a bank roll. You have no idea how
big his bank roll is, because you only see that portion of it required
to cover the current maximum bid. That's why Bob's bid from a few days
ago can appear to suddenly jump and match yours. The eBay computer is
simply increasing his bid (up to his pre-authorized bank roll amount)
to match your bid. This is all legal and part of the bidding strategy.

    Ah, but how can someone determine how large Bob's bank roll is?
That's where bid retractions come into play. Say Bob's bid initial was
$200, but his current leading bid is a mere $15. Bob's bid appears to
be $15, but I have no idea how high his ceiling bid is. If I place an
outrageous bid for $1000, the new leading bid (mine) will be $201 to
Bob's $200 bid. Now that I know what Bob's bank roll  maximum bid is
($200), I retract my $1000 bid, and Bob's leading bid now drops back to
$15. This is how unscrupulous shill bidders can determine what
someone's maximum bid is and drive up prices artificially. So always be
suspicious if you see bid retractions on something you are bidding on. 

    Bottom line, as always, know your seller, bid only what you're
willing to pay (including shipping), and bid late. This last part
cannot be overstressed. If I place my bid early, it only gives other
legitimate bidders (or shills) time to ratchet up the price, or create
a bidding war with plenty of time to blow each other out of the water!

Walker wrote:



Okay, I get this
part, but what I guess I didn't understand in the past is how I could
see that sixteen dollars, put in my bid for that $200, only to see some
"OTHER" guy all of a sudden in there at $210, when what I see on eBay
shows me that Mr. $210 placed his bid a day earlier, yet didn't seem
even seem to be in the running when his $14 dollar bid was what I
thought, originally outbid by the dollar guy.  Is that where this "bid
retraction" comes into play?


I truly think this
"retraction" thing is what has me confused.


...sheesh, old men
these daze, anyway...


Thanks,


Walker


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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 09:04:32 -0400
To: talbot1@comcast.net, jwi62@hotmail.com,
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Cash Bash!

I was wondering how long it would take for you to "step up to the plate"
for your HOM guy. Let me just say: Ditto That!!! And let's not forget
Cash's .488 Slugging Percentage which was actually a few points higher
then Kaline's!

EEK, a fellow FOOT!

Sender: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Fri,
Jun 30, 2006, 7:36am (EDT+4) To: jwi62@hotmail.com (Joe Isaac),
OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Thanks] WHAT!!! Norm Cash
bashing, not on my watch!!!!
Hey Joe - 'those is fightin' words buddy!!!!

 Just because your Cleveland team and GM Frank Lane gave up
on old Stormin' Normin before logging a single at bat with the tribe is
no reason to blast away at one of our local (and one of my personal)
heroes. Cash amassed 377 round trippers (second only to Kaline), 41
triples and 241 doubles on route to a respectable .271 batting average
and if the man could bunt as well then more power to him (some of
today's diamond heroes can't even lay one down).
 As for the corked bat issue, Cash did admit to this
practice but would we really want to chastise Norm in light of today's
current steriod controversy. It's more likely that the inflated stats
for the entire league (remember Maris hit 61 Homers that year) can be a
reflection of the expansion of baseball that year and the impact that
may have had on the pitching throughout the league. Let's face it,
the pitchers of the day were trying to get an edge by cutting the ball,
greasing it up andlater in the decade theyraised the pitcher's
mound on them - hitters had a "right" to find their own edge. Was
Norm's 1961 year out of the ordinary - well sure, his .361 BA was never
again even close in the sights (or any one else in the 60's - check it
out)but he did sustain a 17 year career in the Big Leagues and could
never been considered a slouch with the stick. Cash twice won the
Sporting News "Comeback Player of the Year" Award in 1965 and 1971
showing that at least the sports writers of America were aware of Norm's
abilities, something you might have been aware of Joe. Norm Cash was
a member of (4) All Star Squads, was in the Top 10 for HR's (9)
different seasons andI don't even want to get into the defensive
records that Norm Cash holds.
 Now if you wish to bash on Steve Demeter who Frank Lane
traded for then I will be first in line to comment but Norm Cash could
hit the ball, bunt the ball catch the ball etc.... and he did it for
17 glorious seasons of my youth.Norm will not make the HOF but he
was a fan favorite and one of my personal ALL TIME Tiger heroes. I
justcan't let you get away with your comments without some of my own
Joe - no disrespect but let's not pick on one of my favorite all time
Tigers Norm Cash - `nuff said!!!

BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ---------------- MARK

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To: "obc Ramblings" 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 12:34:59 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Cashin' In

Even when a game might still be on the line, Stormin' Norman never lost hissense
of humor.  154 games back then, now 162, day in and day out, can addup
to a pretty long season.  I think some of that humor we used to see from
guys like Cash is a part of the game that we've now lost a bit, and why going
to the games seemed so much more fun back then.

I used to love the way Cash would do those things like carrying that piano leg
up to the plate to get a laugh from the crowd and the other players.  It
makes me think Cash would have fit in well the Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin,
Bing Crosby and Sammy Jr. crowd, all standing around a piano with drinks,cigarettes
or cigars in their hands, crackin' jokes and gettin' laughs.

Oh, I suppose if you're now getting paid multi-millions and millions of dollars
to play a little boyz game and hit a ball, you better the hey* get up there
and hit the dang* thing and not prank around about it, but I miss that
fun from those daze.

Whenever we'd go to the games back then, I always asked my Dad to try to get
our seats down the first base line so we could watch the antics of good ol'
Stormin' Norman.  I used to love the way he would try to mock someone from
an opposing team who had long hair.  Before the player with the long hair
got up to the plate, Cash would sneak a bunch a grass up under the back of
his cap while down at first base, and then when the guy got up to bat, hewould
do a little extra moving, walking and turning around so everyone would
notice the grass, looking like long hair hanging down from his cap and getting
that laugh from the crowd.

I'll be going to Coors Field next Sunday to share some fun with my friends,and
while I fully expect to have a great time, I know I'll never see anything
like that.    ...not unless I do it myself or something...

Ah yes, bring back the Norm Cash's of the game any day!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Isaac
To: talbot1@comcast.net ; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:53 AM
Subject: [OBC-Thanks] RE: WHAT!!! Norm Cash bashing, not on my watch!!!!

Whoa Nellie,

No offense here, but there were no intentions to make your blood boil.  First
of all, I am a transplant - the Tribe is Bill M's team, I just live in this
area.   I totally agree with you on the expansion year of 1961.  Wasn'tNorm
the one who came to bat against Nolan Ryan with a piano leg?

From: talbot1@comcast.net
To: jwi62@hotmail.com; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: WHAT!!! Norm Cash bashing, not on my watch!!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:36:04 +0000

Hey Joe - 'those is fightin' words buddy!!!!

Just because your Cleveland team and GM Frank Lane gave up on old Stormin'
Normin before logging a single at bat with the tribe is no reason toblast
away at one of our local (and one of my personal) heroes.  Cash amassed
377 round trippers (second only to Kaline), 41 triples and 241 doubles on
route to a respectable .271 batting average and if the man could bunt aswell
then more power to him (some of today's diamond heroes can't even layone
As for the corked bat issue, Cash did admit to this practice but would
we really want to chastise Norm in light of today's current steriod controversy.
It's more likely that the inflated stats for the entire league (remember
Maris hit 61 Homers that year) can be a reflection of the expansionof
baseball that year and the impact that may have had on the pitching throughout
the league.  Let's face it, the pitchers of the day were trying to get
an edge by cutting the ball, greasing it up and later in the decade they
raised the pitcher's mound on them - hitters had a "right" to find their own
edge.  Was Norm's 1961 year out of the ordinary - well sure, his .361 BA
was never again even close in the sights (or any one else in the 60's - check
it out) but he did sustain a 17 year career in the Big Leagues and could
never been considered a slouch with the stick.  Cash twice won the Sporting
News "Comeback Player of th! e Year" Award in 1965 and 1971 showing that
at least the sports writers of America were aware of Norm's abilities, something
you might have been aware of Joe.  Norm Cash was a member of (4) All
Star Squads, was in the Top 10 for HR's (9) different seasons and I don'teven
want to get into the defensive records that Norm Cash holds.
Now if you wish to bash on Steve Demeter who Frank Lane traded for then
I will be first in line to comment but Norm Cash could hit the ball, bunt
the ball catch the ball etc....  and he did it for 17 glorious seasons of
my youth.  Norm will not make the HOF but he was a fan favorite and one of
my personal ALL TIME Tiger heroes.  I just can't let you get away with your
comments without some of my own Joe - no disrespect but let's not pick on
one of my favorite all time Tigers Norm Cash - `nuff said!!!

BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ---------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Joe Isaac" 

Today's mail brought an SCP from frequent flyer Kent Goto with an SCP of
Stormin' Norm Cash from 1964.  It's surprising how Norm had a bunt pose on
this card since his never duplicated his '61 performance and the bunt wasprobably
the only way he could get on base - I believe I read somewhere that
he admitted to using a corked bat that year.  Thanks very much Kent.

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To: "obc Ramblings" 
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:34:05 -0600
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Cashin' In

Even when a game might still be on the line, Stormin' Norman never lost hissense
of humor.  154 games back then, now 162, day in and day out, can addup
to a pretty long season.  I think some of that humor we used to see from
guys like Cash is a part of the game that we've now lost a bit, and why going
to the games seemed so much more fun back then.

I used to love the way Cash would do those things like carrying that table leg
up to the plate to get a laugh from the crowd and the other players.  It
makes me think Cash would have fit in well the Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin,
Bing Crosby and Sammy Jr. crowd, all standing around a piano with drinks,cigarettes
or cigars in their hands, crackin' jokes and gettin' laughs.

Oh, I suppose if you're now getting paid multi-millions and millions of dollars
to play a little boyz game and hit a ball, you better the hey* get up there
and hit the dang* thing and not prank around about it, but I miss that
fun from those daze.

Whenever we'd go to the games back then, I always asked my Dad to try to get
our seats down the first base line so we could watch the antics of good ol'
Stormin' Norman.  I used to love the way he would try to mock someone from
an opposing team who had long hair.  Before the player with the long hair
got up to the plate, Cash would sneak a bunch a grass up under the back of
his cap while down at first base, and then when the guy got up to bat, hewould
do a little extra moving, walking and turning around so everyone would
notice the grass, looking like long hair hanging down from his cap and getting
that laugh from the crowd.

I'll be going to Coors Field next Sunday to share some fun with my friends,and
while I fully expect to have a great time, I know I'll never see anything
like that.    ...not unless I do it myself or something...

Ah yes, bring back the Norm Cash's of the game any day!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Isaac
To: talbot1@comcast.net ; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:53 AM
Subject: [OBC-Thanks] RE: WHAT!!! Norm Cash bashing, not on my watch!!!!

Whoa Nellie,

No offense here, but there were no intentions to make your blood boil.  First
of all, I am a transplant - the Tribe is Bill M's team, I just live in this
area.   I totally agree with you on the expansion year of 1961.  Wasn'tNorm
the one who came to bat against Nolan Ryan with a piano leg?

From: talbot1@comcast.net
To: jwi62@hotmail.com; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: WHAT!!! Norm Cash bashing, not on my watch!!!!
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 07:36:04 +0000

Hey Joe - 'those is fightin' words buddy!!!!

Just because your Cleveland team and GM Frank Lane gave up on old Stormin'
Normin before logging a single at bat with the tribe is no reason toblast
away at one of our local (and one of my personal) heroes.  Cash amassed
377 round trippers (second only to Kaline), 41 triples and 241 doubles on
route to a respectable .271 batting average and if the man could bunt aswell
then more power to him (some of today's diamond heroes can't even layone
As for the corked bat issue, Cash did admit to this practice but would
we really want to chastise Norm in light of today's current steriod controversy.
It's more likely that the inflated stats for the entire league (remember
Maris hit 61 Homers that year) can be a reflection of the expansionof
baseball that year and the impact that may have had on the pitching throughout
the league.  Let's face it, the pitchers of the day were trying to get
an edge by cutting the ball, greasing it up and later in the decade they
raised the pitcher's mound on them - hitters had a "right" to find their own
edge.  Was Norm's 1961 year out of the ordinary - well sure, his .361 BA
was never again even close in the sights (or any one else in the 60's - check
it out) but he did sustain a 17 year career in the Big Leagues and could
never been considered a slouch with the stick.  Cash twice won the Sporting
News "Comeback Player of th! e Year" Award in 1965 and 1971 showing that
at least the sports writers of America were aware of Norm's abilities, something
you might have been aware of Joe.  Norm Cash was a member of (4) All
Star Squads, was in the Top 10 for HR's (9) different seasons and I don'teven
want to get into the defensive records that Norm Cash holds.
Now if you wish to bash on Steve Demeter who Frank Lane traded for then
I will be first in line to comment but Norm Cash could hit the ball, bunt
the ball catch the ball etc....  and he did it for 17 glorious seasons of
my youth.  Norm will not make the HOF but he was a fan favorite and one of
my personal ALL TIME Tiger heroes.  I just can't let you get away with your
comments without some of my own Joe - no disrespect but let's not pick on
one of my favorite all time Tigers Norm Cash - `nuff said!!!

BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ---------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Joe Isaac" 

Today's mail brought an SCP from frequent flyer Kent Goto with an SCP of
Stormin' Norm Cash from 1964.  It's surprising how Norm had a bunt pose on
this card since his never duplicated his '61 performance and the bunt wasprobably
the only way he could get on base - I believe I read somewhere that
he admitted to using a corked bat that year.  Thanks very much Kent.

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To: "trading bases" ,
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 18:21:41 -0400
From: "ant" 
Subject: Updated 70 fb list

Hello All,

Some quick solid hits..
Here is what I still need:
1970 second set any condtion #9,30,90,135,172,175,179,184,189,190,197,199,202,205,229,237,

I still have to work on my dupes. I have to sort out what I owe for the quick