================= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:38:19 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: 1966 topps Starter set????? I have a little 35 card 1966 topps starter set. Is anyone interested in starting the set? If so Email me and Its yours Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 15:43:58 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Welcome to my insanity Hi gang, Well I did it - I've nearly finished off my 1965 Topps second set. In the process of hunting for the last two cards I needed for that set (Allen and Banks) and other sets on my list, I bid on a bunch of lots on eBay. I still haven't run across a cheap version of either card yet though. At one point in my frenzy, I had bids in on 63 different auctions. (Fortunately, snipers and people that weren't cheapskates outbid me on a lot of them.) Out of those bids, I put in one for a large group lot of 1965's and just for fun, I put in a couple bids on the seller's other items... and I ended up losing out on the lot I wanted and lucked into two others I didn't have any use for - at first anyway. I picked up a group of 1966 Topps and 1962's as well. (Check out lots 270040899927 and 270040899936). Sooo, in an effort to provide easy lists for you to hit, I've decided to take on the unenviable task of completing the 1962 Topps set - AGAIN. This time, however, I will do without the green tints in a pitiful attempt to pretend like I still have some marbles left. I don't have a wantlist posted yet, but the numbers in my starter lot are listed if you've got any smart ideas. I think I've only got about a dozen left in my dupes box to add to that. Hey, I've gotsom e '66's to trade for more woodies too! I've been eating a lot of McDonald's this week. I like playing the Monopoly game, although this year is the worst I've ever had at winning food prizes. In fact, the only thing I've won is one breakfast sandwich and two online prizes: one free game and one ringtone for my cell phone. This is about the same as an Amish person winning an X-Box. I wish Pennsylvania RR was the rare piece, because then I'd be 2-1/2 million dollars richer... I think I've gotten one every visit. I managed to get the week off after the big Wilmington show (Nov. 3-5), which is the only decent show near me. I had to point out that I still had one week vacation and ask if they wanted me to take it now or the week before Thanksgiving (which is probably the single busiest week for us). The company is in the process of getting sold (again, maybe, hopefully... I dunno) and the union contract is up a the beginning of next year. The company recently sent around info to most of the full time workers asking if they'd like to accept a buyout and terminate their employment. I was offered over $30,000 (plus a year of paid health coverage under C.O.B.R.A.) to end my 23 year career. Since my current salary pays me double that amount every year plus free medical and dental coverage, the info package (after several minutes of careful scrutiny) was torn up and trashed. The only reason I mention this is because someone I work with took the offer (since he was planning to leave anyway and had a 'real' job lined up). His last week is the week of my vacation - the company didn't even want to keep him on through the holidays, which doesn't make a ton of sense, since his replacement (if we even GET one) would be essentially thrown into the fire during the peak holiday season... wicked smart. I plan on enjoying my week off thoroughly, because I'll probably have 3 times the work to do when I get back. Update: I've learned that the replacement for the departing night crew grocery clerk is going to be working in the dairy during the day. This may be a result of my sudden refusal to write out the milk and egg orders as of a couple weeks ago - or they're planning to move me back to the grocery department... which I fear is going to be the case, because otherwise my job will probably become a lot easier if I had some dedicated help. However, they did fire one of the part time clerks a couple weeks ago and the rest of my ::ahem:: "help" is anything but, so I guess time will tell. I've pretty much decided eBay is stupid. I sold a few dupes I had about a month ago - mostly 48-49 Leaf SP's I picked up as upgrades or because I found them relatively cheap. Well, like a lot of my selling experiences (that weren't charity type auctions), I didn't get anywhere near what I had paid for the cards. On the flip side, one of the rattiest looking ones (and one that I found for the unheard of price of about $36) sold for nearly triple that amount. I think the only SP that sold for more was graded PSA 4(MC). After taking a beating on the selling end of things, I immediately went back and put in bids on a few more - and ended up winning a PSA 5 short print for about half the price I was paying for 1's when I was collecting the set... go figure. Must've been a soft market that week. I frequently bid the same amount on two similar lots and accidentally win one for the minimum bid, while the other one sells for double or triple my max. It doesn't make sense. I ran across an auction for a 1952 Mantle that was posted by someone with zero feedback. Now if that doesn't set off any warning bells, consider that the photo showed the card in a thick screwdown with a nickel and dime in the picture. Well, they were either the biggest couple of coins I've ever seen or the card was too small. I e-mailed the seller asking for the dimensions and got his reply only to discover that the auction was pulled right after I had asked - his reply was that the card measured correctly at 2-5/8 by 3-3/4. I probably should've asked if the coins measured correctly too ;-) As a response to some of Mike Rich's earlier ponderings about what a complet set constitutes, I offer the following theory: A complete set is made up of all the issued cards, excluding higher priced variations. The 'master set' would include all the variations. I still haven't figured out a good term for adding in things like wrappers, proof cards, unissued stuff or artwork, etc that ties in with the set other than 'the completely insane master set'. Anyway, the 1960 Fleer set is done minus the Pepper Martin (which is really just a back variation IMHO, since there's no Martin front). The 1954 Bowman set is complete with a #66 Piersall instead of the Ted Williams, but the 1959 Fleer set would need a #68. I'm still undecided about the 1933 Goudey Lajoie, since it wasn't actually issued until the following year and has a 1934 front. Your T206 set isn't finished without the Wagner and Plank cards, but you're in pretty good company if you don't have them. Well, I've typed enough for one day. Time to search for woodies on eBay. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:29:48 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: trader Has anyone traded with: Rick Johnson 648 Jill St. Duluth, MN 55803 Jeff D. Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:38:25 -0500 From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OFF TOPIC TUESDAY! Catching up on emails from down under, I decided to add my 2 cents on this query. Under the current IRS rules any non-cash donation of more than $200 requires a written appraisal & a special form (I forget the #) filled out & filed with the tax return. This assumes the taxpayer is itemizing deductions as Gary mentioned. This non-cash deduction is a new rule replacing the $500 rule. The new rule was passed to address the perceived abuses by individuals donating crap like a junker auto & then deducting a much higher value on their tax return. There is also a look back rule of at least a couple of years which states if the charity sells the donated merchandise for less than the appraisal IRS can go back & adjust the tax return that took the higher deduction. Oh yeah, the charity has to report all this info to IRS. A caveat to this whole mess is the Bill Clinton rule which specifically states that no deduction is allowed for underwear;-). My continuing ed class got a hoot over that one. All's well here in the tropics of northern Australia. Off to the beach for now. -----Original Message----- From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 4:17 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OFF TOPIC TUESDAY! What is the rule of thumb on donating items for tax purposes? For example getting a rcpt showing you donated $100 worth of junk to WHOEVER is worth how much in ACTUAL tax dollar savings? I've wondered this for years and keep telling my neighbor to have a yard sale rather than donate since it will save her more cash in the long haul. I think she really just doesn't want the hassle of pricing etc. So what's a basic rule of thumb for $100 donation? Thanks! Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= To: "obc" Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 18:19:07 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Possible new member Rick Johnson I just completed a very successful trade with possible new member Rick Johnson, Duluth Minn............ He sent cards first.....I netted out a tcp of high #'s from 71'.....including a Baker/Baylor RC. He has intentions of joining......so if he contacts you and uses my name......."thumbs Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 23:48:32 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Rick Johnson/tax info/ 4 lopsided polls I wonder if the Rick Johnson in Minn is the ex Oklahoma Outlaw QB who was 2nd string to Doug Williams?! I think there's also a guy named Tipton from the Outlaws that I have a card of (1985 USFL). Thanks Gary & Gersh for the tax info! 14 Tigers votes to 1 Cardinals makes that the 4th most lopsided poll since the Roger Maris for HOF poll a few yrs ago which I think was 21 NOs to 0 YES! Actually counting emails it was at least 14-2 (Mark Z). Rob G missed the vote too I think but I don't remember who he was for. I think Gil Hodges was 20 NOs to 1 YES. And 1 other guy was there with 1 or 0 votes too out of 21. ================= Date: 2 Nov 2006 05:03:09 -0000 To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Johnson/tax info/ 4 lopsided polls I felt kinda lonely till the series was over. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I wonder if the Rick Johnson in Minn is the ex Oklahoma Outlaw QB who was 2nd string to Doug Williams?! I think there's also a guy named Tipton from the Outlaws that I have a card of (1985 USFL). Thanks Gary & Gersh for the tax info! 14 Tigers votes to 1 Cardinals makes that the 4th most lopsided poll since the Roger Maris for HOF poll a few yrs ago which I think was 21 NOs to 0 YES! Actually counting emails it was at least 14-2 (Mark Z). Rob G missed the vote too I think but I don't remember who he was for. I think Gil Hodges was 20 NOs to 1 YES. And 1 other guy was there with 1 or 0 votes too out of 21. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 07:01:05 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Mouth pain Hi gang, My mouth hurts from something that happened last night. There's nothing physically or dentally wrong, but more from me picking my jaw up off the floor. Picture this: I'm bidding on a lot for a single card. With two hours left, the only other interested bidder is our own George Vrechek. George has (unbeknowst to me) already placed his final bid and gone out to dinner. I e-mail him and tell him that I'm putting in a bid for $125 - or nearly double the supposed Buckett value of $65. (Apparently George and I are both using the same 2005 catalog as a reference). I then head over to a friend's house to play some poker and hope that my bid holds up from the snipers and I win it for 80 or 90 bucks like a very similar card that sold on eBay a couple weeks ago. I return home from poker a beaten man, but eager to see if there was at least one win at cards of a different sort. I sign onto eBay and pull up the auction - it's for a 1960 Leaf Hal Smith variation with the team name blacked out on the back. It's been on my wantlist forever and I've only seen one or two before - neither on eBay. A recent auction for a second variation with the team name omitted sold for the aforementioned $80 or $90 a couple weeks ago, so I was hopeful that even though I hadn't seen one on eBay before, that I could win it for a similar price - every price guide I've ever looked at had them listed as equal value. Worst case scenario is that I lost it for $123.11 or something. Now I think I've dragged out giving you the item number for as long as possible in an effort to give the story as much of a dramatic effect as you can possibly get for a card that 95% of you could care less about. Check out eBay number #(110048511712). For those of you with browser issues or wish I had cut to the chase three paragraphs ago - The winning bid? $787.70 or more than 12 times the :::cough, cough::: book value. Now the appalling figure this card went for has me thinking, "Why am I doing this?" My wantlist would be ridiculously easier if I took all the stupid variations off of it. My baseball lists would be down to maybe a couple dozen cards (notwithstanding the 1962 set I haven't posted yet), most of which are those silly 1960 Leaf high numbers. I'd only need one T205 (Joss), a pesky 1965 Banks and five Post Cereal cards. No more Bowman or Red Man cards to look for. Say goodbye to the infinite Kellogg's cards I'll probably never bother to find. The all Polar Bear T205 set is impossible anyway. Anyone out there have a reason why I shouldn't scrap the whole variation idea? I know George and Mike Rich will probably think of something only because misery loves company. Anyone else have an idea of why I'm doing this again (perhaps you enjoy the occasional diatribe about how stupid I am for taking on these quests)? Please send help. TAYL, M Ken (backwards signoff variation) ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:42:42 EST To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain Ken: Here's why you are doing this. You like the thrill of the chase. You like the rush of knocking out a set, or even a single card. Topps runs from 1952, although time consumming and possible expensive, aren't all the difficult to complete, with the exception perhaps of the 1952 hi #s (representing 80 of the 130 I need to complete the run). With Topps being the most plentiful issue for most post-war years, we add other sets. I added 53 and 55 Bowmans, will be adding 49 Bowmans soon, have Kelloggs and Post and some other "junk" on my list as well. But hits are few and far between these days to the Topps list. So, we add variations. You, for example, are responsible for me adding the 53 back variations, Grant can take credit for the 62 green tints, and I am not sure who to blame for the 52 back variations. George V. of course is a whole other story! Now, I know I have an excuse. I am a CPA by training, and as Gersh can attest to, we are generally obsessive, compulsive people. I suspect that just knowing that there are cards out there that we don't have makes it tough for us to say "we completed a set". In fact, when I have the time, I will begin adding other variations that will change my 130 card Topps wantlist to probably 5 times that. We love the sport, and for me at least, those cards represent so much of my past, where I could proably tell you the stats on the back without looking, I was so much into the game. How many of use can picture what a 1965 (or whatever set you started with ) card of Jos Schmoe looks like, even 40+ years later. I know I can. You just mentioned the 65 Banks, and if I had any artistic skill, I could draw it for you right now. Just my thoughts on a very special day for me. You see, my dad passed away 36 years ago today, and I often think about how we shared our love for this So, keep on with the variation search, but try not to bid 8 times the book in your pursuit! ================= Date: 2 Nov 2006 14:05:56 -0000 To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain As someone who has a few variations on his WL I can only say that putting together a master set is about the only reason I can think of for doing variations. Some of us are extremely obsessive, bordering on Jack Nicholson's movie OCD, and a set without all its nuiances is like pastrami without rye. Those of us who live in the wilderness (Alabama) must restain themselves from starting too many hard to complete sets as we could end up in a loony bin. I shudder to think what my budget would look like if I lived in the northeast or Chicago area where there actually were shows. Needless to say, they will put me in the ground long before I complete some of my sets. The thrill may be in the chase but it helps to have something available out there to chase. I've seen back variations of the WWG set go for ridiculous prices because there are about 5 of us on Evilbay who are after the same cards and they have deeper pockets than me, based on what they are paying (another reason to hate slabbing - who cares if a card is a PSA 1 or 2). Anyway, I feel your pain and frustration and from time to time as I go over OBC WLs I'll look at yours and say "and I thought I had a tough list". Hang in there as I'm sure those cards you need are just around the corner. John (Bama) ------------- Original message follows ------------- Hi gang, My mouth hurts from something that happened last night. There's nothing physically or dentally wrong, but more from me picking my jaw up off the floor. Picture this: I'm bidding on a lot for a single card. With two hours left, the only other interested bidder is our own George Vrechek. George has (unbeknowst to me) already placed his final bid and gone out to dinner. I e-mail him and tell him that I'm putting in a bid for $125 - or nearly double the supposed Buckett value of $65. (Apparently George and I are both using the same 2005 catalog as a reference). I then head over to a friend's house to play some and hope that my bid holds up from the snipers and I win it for 80 or 90 bucks like a very similar card that sold on eBay a couple weeks ago. I return home from poker a beaten man, but eager to see if there was at least one win at cards of a different sort. I sign onto eBay and pull up the auction - it's for a 1960 Leaf Hal Smith variation with the team name blacked out on the back. It's been on my wantlist forever and I've only seen one or two before - neither on eBay. A recent auction for a second variation with the team name omitted sold for the aforementioned $80 or $90 a couple weeks ago, so I was hopeful that even though I hadn't seen one on eBay before, that I could win it for a similar price - every price guide I've ever looked at had them listed as equal value. Worst case scenario is that I lost it for $123.11 or something. Now I think I've dragged out giving you the item number for as long as possible in an effort to give the story as much of a dramatic effect as you can possibly get for a card that 95% of you could care less about. Check out eBay number #(110048511712). For those of you with browser issues or wish I had cut to the chase three paragraphs ago - The winning bid? $787.70 or more than 12 times the :::cough, cough::: book value. Now the appalling figure this card went for has me thinking, "Why am I doing this?" My wantlist would be ridiculously easier if I took all the stupid variations off of it. My baseball lists would be down to maybe a couple dozen cards (notwithstanding the 1962 set I haven't posted yet), most of which are those silly 1960 Leaf high numbers. I'd only need one T205 (Joss), a pesky 1965 Banks and five Post Cereal cards. No more Bowman or Red Man cards to look for. Say goodbye to the infinite Kellogg's cards I'll probably never bother to find. The all Polar Bear T205 set is impossible anyway. Anyone out there have a reason why I shouldn't scrap the whole variation idea? I know George and Mike Rich will probably think of something only because misery loves company. Anyone else have an idea of why I'm doing this again (perhaps you enjoy the occasional diatribe about how stupid I am for taking on these quests)? Please send help. TAYL, M Ken (backwards signoff variation) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 08:34:55 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: another time waster Haven't had this much fun since Ken passed on the link to the mini golf game. This one hurts the brain a LOT more. http://www.weffriddles.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:18:43 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Personally, I don't collect variations and doubt I ever will. Although the truth about why I've taken this position may have it's roots in cost, availability, and ignorance, I have decided to rationalize with a much deeper and sentimental reason. Besides my Grandma was a Kelly so I have enough Irish in me to follow the phylosophy: "never let truth get in front of a good story." Warning to all of OBC whose eyes are fixed on this Ramble: I'm retired, I'm on my fourth cup of coffee, I've seen the same hour SportsCenter thrice already, my wife is at work, the dogs and the cat are taking a nap and Ken's ramble was nothing short of inspirational. OK, for those few of you that did not hit the delete button, I firmly beleive that there are some things in life that we are better off not knowing. That being said........ there I was in the year 2000, kind of dum-de-dumming through life when I stumbled upon a group of baseball card collectors whose motto was "Collecting the Way it Should be". WOW, this is too cool, so I worked out a few trades with members, admittedly following the most recent Beckett (not knowing it was pronounced Buckett). Now, for clarity sake my "better off not knowing" statement was definately not in regard to discovering and eventually being allowed to join this fantastic group of ours. I am absolutely much better off since joining OBC. I'm just maintaining the "keep them in suspense" method that Ken utilized so effectively in his Ramble. Further, it's equally important for anyone who is still reading this to know that pre-OBC I was the most knowledgeable person I knew with regard to baseball card collecting. I had by far the largest and most valuable collection in my little corner of the world. Family and friends would marvel at my rather beat up 58 Mantle and Williams and my near complete 58 thru 62T sets, not to mention the numerous boxes and binders in my collection. Again, that was before I heard the much more appropriate expression "well loved" as opposed to "beat up". As I got more familiar with OBC and it's members, I began to recognize that I was indeed self The first moment of clarity came to me at an eatery in a used to be resort town in Michigan called Lake Orion. Actually Lake Orion is still in Michigan, it's just no longer a resort town. At any rate that's where I met in person, my very first OBC member. Of course I already knew me, but I met myself long before OBC so that doesn't count. At any rate, that far too short encounter with Mark Talbot was a real eye opener for me. Here was a guy that at some point must have lived in the same neighborhood as Norm Cash. I was pretty impressed as he showed me a binder with numerous cards of his "homie". I learned more about card collecting in that brief meeting with Mark then I had previously known in all my, at that time, 55 years. I left that restaurant thinking to myself, "Kilbourn, you don't know squat about card collecting." But again this was not the "better off not knowing" part. My life has been much richer since I've come to know OBCers and fellow FOOT members like Mark. I have been well blessed. Speaking of rich, I think the next OBCer I met was in fact Mike Rich. Prior to my visit to the Rich Sports Card and Memoribilia Museum, which he called his home, I thought, OK, I may not know much about collecting, but I still have a pretty big collection. The first analogy that comes to mind is: picture a mud puddle, now picture an Ocean. You got it! I left Mike's with the thought: "Kilbourn you don't have squat for a collection". I have been back to the Museum a few times since that initial visit, and I have yet to see his entire collection. I think his "dupes box room" contains more cards then my entire collection. But alas and again, this is not the "better off not knowing" part. I have fond memories of meetings with Mark, Mike and other FOOT members, Ron Perry, Chuck Paris, and John McLaughlin. I look forward to many more meetings and hold out hope that I will one day meet Art Wainwright, George Moore, Glenn Codere and all the TOES, including the Big TOE, Grant Rainsley. Over the past 5 years I have been to numerous Sports Card Shows, frequently in the company of fellow OBCers. I have learned much more then I'll ever remember about card shopping from the many experts in OBC. Mike Rich, Ron Perry, Ken Morganti and Steve Rittenberg just to name a few. Many's the time I have been saved from myself as another OBCer would whisper in my ear, "you can get that same card in better condition and half the price at table 219." At my very first National I was again humbled as my naivete was revealed. There I was with my black leather shoulder bag containing the latest Beckett, the OBCer's phone number list, the OBC Directory, a bunch of wantlists, writing instruments, a magnifying glass, and my handy dandy card identifier with pictures of the front and backs of post war vintage cards, sans the "odd balls" of course. My intent was to help myself and any other OBCer to accurately identify the year of a particular card. I know, I know, I told you I was naive. Again, on numerous occassions a kind and thoughful OBCer would observe me fumbling with my magnifting glass and card identifyer, take pity on me and say, "that's a 49 Bowman" or "a 60 Leaf". I have been impressed at times when it was obvious that an OBCer knew a hell of a lot more about cards a dealer was selling then the dealer did. I think I mentioned in a previous ramble (that rightfully and wisely so, many of you deleted prior to reading) that I was at a show with Mike Rich, where I would simply hold up a card from across the room and Mike would respond with "69 Milton Bradley" or some other accurate identification. It boggles what's left of my mind to realize that knowing the year of most any Topps card is just the very small tip of a very large iceberg. I'm on information overload. Those Card Show experiences taught me "Kilbourn you don't know squat about card identification." Yes, you've guessed it, that's not the "better off not knowing" part either. But, this is! I said/wrote all that to say this. My phylosophy on the subject of variations is rooted in my childhood, which by the way I have much better recall of than the ages and dates of birth for my 8 grandchildren. I remember my first venture into collecting an entire set of cards. It was 1958, I was 12 years old and flush with money from 2 paper routes, lawn mowing, and garden weeding. I bought a lot of cards from PikNik, Fanger's Market and Boro's Grocery. I also chewed a lot of gum in 1958. What did I know from white vs yellow letters. If it was a card I didn't have, it went in my desk drawer, except if it was a Tiger, & then it was thumb tacked to my wall. If it was a card I already had, it went in a box on top of the desk that I called my extras box before I recognized the proper term was "dupes". Now, there was a "not from the neighborhood kid" whose sister and he would come to the house to trade. She with a hugh stack of comic books and he with a box of cards. I put my sister in charge of trading comic books as I traded cards with the "not from our neighborhood" kid. He was rather wierd because he was forever trading a card from his collection for the same card in mine. He just said at the time "I think the yellow letters are cooler". OK, to each his own, but to get that excited about trading his alphabetical Cincinnati Reds checklist for my numerical checklist, was too wierd for me. After all, they were both #428. Even more confusing was to note that usually he had both the regular card and the "strange" card in his collection. Like I said, he was not from the neighborhood, so he was suspect to begin with. As years went by he got stranger still. A couple years later he traded his 60T Rocky Bridges, a Tiger, for a non-Tiger Tommy Davis, who I'm not sure if he even played in the American League at that time. This kid, whose name I have stored away in the "access denied" vault in my memory bank, went completely over the edge in my final year of youthful collecting. He actually wanted those 62T sickish looking green "mistake" cards. In spite of our parents admonishments regarding name calling, myself and my neighboring cruddy buddies would chuckle and refer to him as a clod, which was the most feared and powerful cut-down word at that time. None of us felt strongly enough about it to call him that to his face and I think there was really an absence of malice in our pea brains. Flash forward to 1988. My then, 7 year old son, Dustin brings home some baseball cards and asked me if I ever collected. I said I did and my cards were at Grandma's in the attic. He wanted to go get them right then, but I said that we could wait until we went over on Sunday for dinner. The very next day he brings home this thin magazine type thing called a Price Guide. After a quick scan of the prices of cards from 58 to 62 I said "we're going to Grandma's". "Is it Sunday already" says he. "Just get in the car, son"! That little episode was the re-ignition of my boyhood passion and eventually led to my discovering OBC. You're right, this is looking more and more like a very bad impression of a Quentin Tarantino story, but I'm nearing the end...... After a while in OBC, I begin to pick up the vernacular and before you know it I have purchased my first SCD. I start reading about SP's, Hi's and variations. Another flashback to that anal retentive kid who was preveiously referred to as "the clod". Well, the truth be known, if he was a clod as in clod of dirt, I and my friends were mountains. I wish I had a few of the cards I traded away now. Hence my statement "some things we are better off not knowing". As a clinical type, I am well versed in the Granddaddy of all psychological defense mechanisms: Denial! My knowledge is not just of the book learning intellectual variety, but is also what we refer to as "felt knowledge". Geno, and perhaps others can identify with the knowledge that is gained from reading instructions, vs the actual experience of putting on new brake pads. In the experience you feel the scrapped knuckles, the pinched fingers and the frustration when you throw your tools and scream *^#@*+%&~` until your wife comes out and says "quiet, the neighbors will hear." That wasn't in the manual. That is "felt knowledge"! I have a strong felt knowledge regarding denial. So, having said all that, I opt to defer to my youthful years when variations was just another difficult word from friday's spelling test. It does not compute in my limited spaced gray matter. I look at a card and I see a name on the front and most times a number on the back. I look at my WL and if I need the card, I put a check mark beside the number and put the card in my binder, if I have the card already, I put it in my dupes box. The only "variation" in that scenerio is that if it's a Star or Tiger card I may check to see if it's an upgrade, in such case the lesser graded card goes in the dupes box. Simple, worry-free, blissful ignorance that is my version of "Collecting the Way it Should be." For those that are still reading I would like to confess that the preceding ramble was inspired not just by Ken's inquiry regarding variations, but was a therapeutic exercise for me. We are rapidly approching the 1 year mark of my son's death. We approach this "Anniversary" with a great deal of anxiety and trepidation. I find writing very therapuetic for me in general, but more so when depressive thoughts attempt to invade and occupy my consciousness. In writing I can put into practice the healing power of humor, the importance of sharing thoughts and feelings with those who care, and focusing in on celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. Any celebration of my son's life would be incomplete without the deeply felt gratitude of those things he has given to us. As I mentioned, Dustin was the re-ignitor of my passion for collecting cards and subsequently my introduction to OBC. What a gift he gave me. I cannot help but think of what some may call irony and I chose to call the mysterious workings of my G-d. Dustin's passion for sports not only gave me many prideful moments as a spectator and coach, but indirectly gave me membership in OBC. In turn OBC gave to me a tremendous sense of comfort and numerous moments of welcomed distraction in the past 11 months. I am very grateful for the number of times I have been MASHed this year. That's Much Appreciated Supportive Help for those unfamiliar with the acronym. I am obliged to reiterate our gratitude for your donations to the DZK Memorial Fund via the Members Only OBC Auction. I would be remiss if I did not mention the private e-mails and phone calls of support from OBC members. Next to my family and close friends, most of whom are members of another exclusive group we call 12 steppers, OBC has been the greatest source of strength for me. This is almost over, I promise. From the many things I have learned from my son's death these are two that are most often reinforced through my on going experience with OBC * the value of something is determined solely by it's worth to you. * we can admire and share the excitement of someone else's treasures without a compulsion to gain them as well. So if this years membership dues were a 58 Mantle, my only questions would be 1)"do I send it express?" 2) "do you want it insured?" You might find this hard to believe, but I just went to spell-check and got the following message: "Webtv cannot check the spelling of messages this long!" We keep what we give away! ================= To: Originaleek@webtv.net,cardclctor@aol.com Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:32:06 -0800 From: "grains" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! 1. Extremely Morganti-esque. 2. A great read, right to the end. > Ken, > Personally, I don't collect variations and doubt I ever > will. Although the truth about why I've taken this > position may have it's roots in cost, availability, and > ignorance, I have decided to rationalize with a much > deeper and sentimental reason. Besides my Grandma was a > Kelly so I have enough Irish in me to follow the > phylosophy: "never let truth get in front of a good > story." > Warning to all of OBC whose eyes are fixed on this Ramble: > I'm retired, I'm on my fourth cup of coffee, I've seen the > same hour SportsCenter thrice already, my wife is at work, > the dogs and the cat are taking a nap and Ken's ramble was > nothing short of inspirational. > OK, for those few of you that did not hit the delete > button, I firmly beleive that there are some things in > life that we are better off not knowing. That being > said........ there I was in the year 2000, kind of > dum-de-dumming through life when I stumbled upon a group > of baseball card collectors whose motto was "Collecting > the Way it Should be". WOW, this is too cool, so I worked > out a few trades with members, admittedly following the > most recent Beckett (not knowing it was pronounced > Buckett). Now, for clarity sake my "better off not > knowing" statement was definately not in regard to > discovering and eventually being allowed to join this > fantastic group of ours. I am absolutely much better off > since joining OBC. I'm just maintaining the "keep them in > suspense" method that Ken utilized so effectively in his > Ramble. > Further, it's equally important for anyone who is still > reading this to know that pre-OBC I was the most > knowledgeable person I knew with regard to baseball card > collecting. I had by far the largest and most valuable > collection in my little corner of the world. Family and > friends would marvel at my rather beat up 58 Mantle and > Williams and my near complete 58 thru 62T sets, not to > mention the numerous boxes and binders in my collection. > Again, that was before I heard the much more appropriate > expression "well loved" as opposed to "beat up". As I got > more familiar with OBC and it's members, I began to > recognize that I was indeed self deluded. > The first moment of clarity came to me at an eatery in a > used to be resort town in Michigan called Lake Orion. > Actually Lake Orion is still in Michigan, it's just no > longer a resort town. At any rate that's where I met in > person, my very first OBC member. Of course I already knew > me, but I met myself long before OBC so that doesn't > count. At any rate, that far too short encounter with Mark > Talbot was a real eye opener for me. Here was a guy that > at some point must have lived in the same neighborhood as > Norm Cash. I was pretty impressed as he showed me a binder > with numerous cards of his "homie". I learned more about > card collecting in that brief meeting with Mark then I had > previously known in all my, at that time, 55 years. I left > that restaurant thinking to myself, "Kilbourn, you don't > know squat about card collecting." But again this was not > the "better off not knowing" part. My life has been much > richer since I've come to know OBCers and fellow FOOT > members like Mark. I have been well blessed. > Speaking of rich, I think the next OBCer I met was in fact > Mike Rich. Prior to my visit to the Rich Sports Card and > Memoribilia Museum, which he called his home, I thought, > OK, I may not know much about collecting, but I still have > a pretty big collection. The first analogy that comes to > mind is: picture a mud puddle, now picture an Ocean. You > got it! I left Mike's with the thought: "Kilbourn you > don't have squat for a collection". I have been back to > the Museum a few times since that initial visit, and I > have yet to see his entire collection. I think his "dupes > box room" contains more cards then my entire collection. > But alas and again, this is not the "better off not > knowing" part. I have fond memories of meetings with Mark, > Mike and other FOOT members, Ron Perry, Chuck Paris, and > John McLaughlin. I look forward to many more meetings and > hold out hope that I will one day meet Art Wainwright, > George Moore, Glenn Codere and all the TOES, including the > Big TOE, Grant Rainsley. > Over the past 5 years I have been to numerous Sports Card > Shows, frequently in the company of fellow OBCers. I have > learned much more then I'll ever remember about card > shopping from the many experts in OBC. Mike Rich, Ron > Perry, Ken Morganti and Steve Rittenberg just to name a > few. Many's the time I have been saved from myself as > another OBCer would whisper in my ear, "you can get that > same card in better condition and half the price at table > 219." At my very first National I was again humbled as my > naivete was revealed. There I was with my black leather > shoulder bag containing the latest Beckett, the OBCer's > phone number list, the OBC Directory, a bunch of wantlists > , writing instruments, a magnifying glass, and my handy > dandy card identifier with pictures of the front and backs > of post war vintage cards, sans the "odd balls" of course. > My intent was to help myself and any other OBCer to > accurately identify the year of a particular card. I know, > I know, I told you I was naive. Again, on numerous > occassions a kind and thoughful OBCer would observe me > fumbling with my magnifting glass and card identifyer, > take pity on me and say, "that's a 49 Bowman" or "a 60 > Leaf". I have been impressed at times when it was obvious > that an OBCer knew a hell of a lot more about cards a > dealer was selling then the dealer did. I think I > mentioned in a previous ramble (that rightfully and wisely > so, many of you deleted prior to reading) that I was at a > show with Mike Rich, where I would simply hold up a card > from across the room and Mike would respond with "69 > Milton Bradley" or some other accurate identification. It > boggles what's left of my mind to realize that knowing the > year of most any Topps card is just the very small tip of > a very large iceberg. I'm on information overload. Those > Card Show experiences taught me "Kilbourn you don't know > squat about card identification." Yes, you've guessed it, > that's not the "better off not knowing" part either. > But, this is! I said/wrote all that to say this. My > phylosophy on the subject of variations is rooted in my > childhood, which by the way I have much better recall of > than the ages and dates of birth for my 8 grandchildren. I > remember my first venture into collecting an entire set of > cards. It was 1958, I was 12 years old and flush with > money from 2 paper routes, lawn mowing, and garden > weeding. I bought a lot of cards from PikNik, Fanger's > Market and Boro's Grocery. I also chewed a lot of gum in > 1958. What did I know from white vs yellow letters. If it > was a card I didn't have, it went in my desk drawer, > except if it was a Tiger, & then it was thumb tacked to my > wall. If it was a card I already had, it went in a box on > top of the desk that I called my extras box before I > recognized the proper term was "dupes". Now, there was a > "not from the neighborhood kid" whose sister and he would > come to the house to trade. She with a hugh stack of comic > books and he with a box of cards. I put my sister in > charge of trading comic books as I traded cards with the > "not from our neighborhood" kid. He was rather wierd > because he was forever trading a card from his collection > for the same card in mine. He just said at the time "I > think the yellow letters are cooler". OK, to each his own, > but to get that excited about trading his alphabetical > Cincinnati Reds checklist for my numerical checklist, was > too wierd for me. After all, they were both #428. Even > more confusing was to note that usually he had both the > regular card and the "strange" card in his collection. > Like I said, he was not from the neighborhood, so he was > suspect to begin with. As years went by he got stranger > still. A couple years later he traded his 60T Rocky > Bridges, a Tiger, for a non-Tiger Tommy Davis, who I'm not > sure if he even played in the American League at that > time. This kid, whose name I have stored away in the > "access denied" vault in my memory bank, went completely > over the edge in my final year of youthful collecting. He > actually wanted those 62T sickish looking green "mistake" > cards. In spite of our parents admonishments regarding > name calling, myself and my neighboring cruddy buddies > would chuckle and refer to him as a clod, which was the > most feared and powerful cut-down word at that time. None > of us felt strongly enough about it to call him that to > his face and I think there was really an absence of malice > in our pea brains. > Flash forward to 1988. My then, 7 year old son, Dustin > brings home some baseball cards and asked me if I ever > collected. I said I did and my cards were at Grandma's in > the attic. He wanted to go get them right then, but I said > that we could wait until we went over on Sunday for > dinner. The very next day he brings home this thin > magazine type thing called a Price Guide. After a quick > scan of the prices of cards from 58 to 62 I said "we're > going to Grandma's". "Is it Sunday already" says he. "Just > get in the car, son"! That little episode was the > re-ignition of my boyhood passion and eventually led to my > discovering OBC. You're right, this is looking more and > more like a very bad impression of a Quentin Tarantino > story, but I'm nearing the end...... almost. > After a while in OBC, I begin to pick up the vernacular > and before you know it I have purchased my first SCD. I > start reading about SP's, Hi's and variations. Another > flashback to that anal retentive kid who was preveiously > referred to as "the clod". Well, the truth be known, if he > was a clod as in clod of dirt, I and my friends were > mountains. I wish I had a few of the cards I traded away > now. Hence my statement "some things we are better off not > knowing". As a clinical type, I am well versed in the > Granddaddy of all psychological defense mechanisms: > Denial! My knowledge is not just of the book learning > intellectual variety, but is also what we refer to as > "felt knowledge". Geno, and perhaps others can identify > with the knowledge that is gained from reading > instructions, vs the actual experience of putting on new > brake pads. In the experience you feel the scrapped > knuckles, the pinched fingers and the frustration when you > throw your tools and scream *^#@*+%&~` until your wife > comes out and says "quiet, the neighbors will hear." That > wasn't in the manual. That is "felt knowledge"! I have a > strong felt knowledge regarding denial. So, having said > all that, I opt to defer to my youthful years when > variations was just another difficult word from friday's > spelling test. It does not compute in my limited spaced > gray matter. I look at a card and I see a name on the > front and most times a number on the back. I look at my WL > and if I need the card, I put a check mark beside the > number and put the card in my binder, if I have the card > already, I put it in my dupes box. The only "variation" in > that scenerio is that if it's a Star or Tiger card I may > check to see if it's an upgrade, in such case the lesser > graded card goes in the dupes box. Simple, worry-free, > blissful ignorance that is my version of "Collecting the > Way it Should be." > For those that are still reading I would like to confess > that the preceding ramble was inspired not just by Ken's > inquiry regarding variations, but was a therapeutic > exercise for me. We are rapidly approching the 1 year mark > of my son's death. We approach this "Anniversary" with a > great deal of anxiety and trepidation. I find writing very > therapuetic for me in general, but more so when depressive > thoughts attempt to invade and occupy my consciousness. In > writing I can put into practice the healing power of humor > , the importance of sharing thoughts and feelings with > those who care, and focusing in on celebrating a life > instead of mourning a death. Any celebration of my son's > life would be incomplete without the deeply felt gratitude > of those things he has given to us. As I mentioned, Dustin > was the re-ignitor of my passion for collecting cards and > subsequently my introduction to OBC. What a gift he gave > me. I cannot help but think of what some may call irony > and I chose to call the mysterious workings of my G-d. > Dustin's passion for sports not only gave me many prideful > moments as a spectator and coach, but indirectly gave me > membership in OBC. In turn OBC gave to me a tremendous > sense of comfort and numerous moments of welcomed > distraction in the past 11 months. I am very grateful for > the number of times I have been MASHed this year. That's > Much Appreciated Supportive Help for those unfamiliar with > the acronym. I am obliged to reiterate our gratitude for > your donations to the DZK Memorial Fund via the Members > Only OBC Auction. I would be remiss if I did not mention > the private e-mails and phone calls of support from OBC > members. Next to my family and close friends, most of whom > are members of another exclusive group we call 12 steppers > , OBC has been the greatest source of strength for me. > This is almost over, I promise. From the many things I > have learned from my son's death these are two that are > most often reinforced through my on going experience with > OBC > * the value of something is determined solely by it's > worth to you. > * we can admire and share the excitement of someone else's > treasures without a compulsion to gain them as well. > So if this years membership dues were a 58 Mantle, my only > questions would be 1)"do I send it express?" 2) "do you > want it insured?" > You might find this hard to believe, but I just went to > spell-check and got the following message: "Webtv cannot > check the spelling of messages this long!" > We keep what we give away! > EEK ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 16:53:08 -0500 To: grains@dccnet.com (grains) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! From: "grains" To: Originaleek@webtv.net, cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2006 13:32:06 -0800 ================= To: , Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:11:25 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! I know some guys keep a list of all-time great Rambles - that was one of them!! Thanks for the great words, EEK - and keep 'em comin'... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: cardclctor@aol.com Cc: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Personally, I don't collect variations and doubt I ever will. Although the truth about why I've taken this position may have it's roots in cost, availability, and ignorance, I have decided to rationalize with a much deeper and sentimental reason. Besides my Grandma was a Kelly so I have enough Irish in me to follow the phylosophy: "never let truth get in front of a good story." Warning to all of OBC whose eyes are fixed on this Ramble: I'm retired, I'm on my fourth cup of coffee, I've seen the same hour SportsCenter thrice already, my wife is at work, the dogs and the cat are taking a nap and Ken's ramble was nothing short of inspirational. OK, for those few of you that did not hit the delete button, I firmly beleive that there are some things in life that we are better off not knowing. That being said........ there I was in the year 2000, kind of dum-de-dumming through life when I stumbled upon a group of baseball card collectors whose motto was "Collecting the Way it Should be". WOW, this is too cool, so I worked out a few trades with members, admittedly following the most recent Beckett (not knowing it was pronounced Buckett). Now, for clarity sake my "better off not knowing" statement was definately not in regard to discovering and eventually being allowed to join this fantastic group of ours. I am absolutely much better off since joining OBC. I'm just maintaining the "keep them in suspense" method that Ken utilized so effectively in his Ramble. Further, it's equally important for anyone who is still reading this to know that pre-OBC I was the most knowledgeable person I knew with regard to baseball card collecting. I had by far the largest and most valuable collection in my little corner of the world. Family and friends would marvel at my rather beat up 58 Mantle and Williams and my near complete 58 thru 62T sets, not to mention the numerous boxes and binders in my collection. Again, that was before I heard the much more appropriate expression "well loved" as opposed to "beat up". As I got more familiar with OBC and it's members, I began to recognize that I was indeed self The first moment of clarity came to me at an eatery in a used to be resort town in Michigan called Lake Orion. Actually Lake Orion is still in Michigan, it's just no longer a resort town. At any rate that's where I met in person, my very first OBC member. Of course I already knew me, but I met myself long before OBC so that doesn't count. At any rate, that far too short encounter with Mark Talbot was a real eye opener for me. Here was a guy that at some point must have lived in the same neighborhood as Norm Cash. I was pretty impressed as he showed me a binder with numerous cards of his "homie". I learned more about card collecting in that brief meeting with Mark then I had previously known in all my, at that time, 55 years. I left that restaurant thinking to myself, "Kilbourn, you don't know squat about card collecting." But again this was not the "better off not knowing" part. My life has been much richer since I've come to know OBCers and fellow FOOT members like Mark. I have been well blessed. Speaking of rich, I think the next OBCer I met was in fact Mike Rich. Prior to my visit to the Rich Sports Card and Memoribilia Museum, which he called his home, I thought, OK, I may not know much about collecting, but I still have a pretty big collection. The first analogy that comes to mind is: picture a mud puddle, now picture an Ocean. You got it! I left Mike's with the thought: "Kilbourn you don't have squat for a collection". I have been back to the Museum a few times since that initial visit, and I have yet to see his entire collection. I think his "dupes box room" contains more cards then my entire collection. But alas and again, this is not the "better off not knowing" part. I have fond memories of meetings with Mark, Mike and other FOOT members, Ron Perry, Chuck Paris, and John McLaughlin. I look forward to many more meetings and hold out hope that I will one day meet Art Wainwright, George Moore, Glenn Codere and all the TOES, including the Big TOE, Grant Rainsley. Over the past 5 years I have been to numerous Sports Card Shows, frequently in the company of fellow OBCers. I have learned much more then I'll ever remember about card shopping from the many experts in OBC. Mike Rich, Ron Perry, Ken Morganti and Steve Rittenberg just to name a few. Many's the time I have been saved from myself as another OBCer would whisper in my ear, "you can get that same card in better condition and half the price at table 219." At my very first National I was again humbled as my naivete was revealed. There I was with my black leather shoulder bag containing the latest Beckett, the OBCer's phone number list, the OBC Directory, a bunch of wantlists, writing instruments, a magnifying glass, and my handy dandy card identifier with pictures of the front and backs of post war vintage cards, sans the "odd balls" of course. My intent was to help myself and any other OBCer to accurately identify the year of a particular card. I know, I know, I told you I was naive. Again, on numerous occassions a kind and thoughful OBCer would observe me fumbling with my magnifting glass and card identifyer, take pity on me and say, "that's a 49 Bowman" or "a 60 Leaf". I have been impressed at times when it was obvious that an OBCer knew a hell of a lot more about cards a dealer was selling then the dealer did. I think I mentioned in a previous ramble (that rightfully and wisely so, many of you deleted prior to reading) that I was at a show with Mike Rich, where I would simply hold up a card from across the room and Mike would respond with "69 Milton Bradley" or some other accurate identification. It boggles what's left of my mind to realize that knowing the year of most any Topps card is just the very small tip of a very large iceberg. I'm on information overload. Those Card Show experiences taught me "Kilbourn you don't know squat about card identification." Yes, you've guessed it, that's not the "better off not knowing" part either. But, this is! I said/wrote all that to say this. My phylosophy on the subject of variations is rooted in my childhood, which by the way I have much better recall of than the ages and dates of birth for my 8 grandchildren. I remember my first venture into collecting an entire set of cards. It was 1958, I was 12 years old and flush with money from 2 paper routes, lawn mowing, and garden weeding. I bought a lot of cards from PikNik, Fanger's Market and Boro's Grocery. I also chewed a lot of gum in 1958. What did I know from white vs yellow letters. If it was a card I didn't have, it went in my desk drawer, except if it was a Tiger, & then it was thumb tacked to my wall. If it was a card I already had, it went in a box on top of the desk that I called my extras box before I recognized the proper term was "dupes". Now, there was a "not from the neighborhood kid" whose sister and he would come to the house to trade. She with a hugh stack of comic books and he with a box of cards. I put my sister in charge of trading comic books as I traded cards with the "not from our neighborhood" kid. He was rather wierd because he was forever trading a card from his collection for the same card in mine. He just said at the time "I think the yellow letters are cooler". OK, to each his own, but to get that excited about trading his alphabetical Cincinnati Reds checklist for my numerical checklist, was too wierd for me. After all, they were both #428. Even more confusing was to note that usually he had both the regular card and the "strange" card in his collection. Like I said, he was not from the neighborhood, so he was suspect to begin with. As years went by he got stranger still. A couple years later he traded his 60T Rocky Bridges, a Tiger, for a non-Tiger Tommy Davis, who I'm not sure if he even played in the American League at that time. This kid, whose name I have stored away in the "access denied" vault in my memory bank, went completely over the edge in my final year of youthful collecting. He actually wanted those 62T sickish looking green "mistake" cards. In spite of our parents admonishments regarding name calling, myself and my neighboring cruddy buddies would chuckle and refer to him as a clod, which was the most feared and powerful cut-down word at that time. None of us felt strongly enough about it to call him that to his face and I think there was really an absence of malice in our pea brains. Flash forward to 1988. My then, 7 year old son, Dustin brings home some baseball cards and asked me if I ever collected. I said I did and my cards were at Grandma's in the attic. He wanted to go get them right then, but I said that we could wait until we went over on Sunday for dinner. The very next day he brings home this thin magazine type thing called a Price Guide. After a quick scan of the prices of cards from 58 to 62 I said "we're going to Grandma's". "Is it Sunday already" says he. "Just get in the car, son"! That little episode was the re-ignition of my boyhood passion and eventually led to my discovering OBC. You're right, this is looking more and more like a very bad impression of a Quentin Tarantino story, but I'm nearing the end...... After a while in OBC, I begin to pick up the vernacular and before you know it I have purchased my first SCD. I start reading about SP's, Hi's and variations. Another flashback to that anal retentive kid who was preveiously referred to as "the clod". Well, the truth be known, if he was a clod as in clod of dirt, I and my friends were mountains. I wish I had a few of the cards I traded away now. Hence my statement "some things we are better off not knowing". As a clinical type, I am well versed in the Granddaddy of all psychological defense mechanisms: Denial! My knowledge is not just of the book learning intellectual variety, but is also what we refer to as "felt knowledge". Geno, and perhaps others can identify with the knowledge that is gained from reading instructions, vs the actual experience of putting on new brake pads. In the experience you feel the scrapped knuckles, the pinched fingers and the frustration when you throw your tools and scream *^#@*+%&~` until your wife comes out and says "quiet, the neighbors will hear." That wasn't in the manual. That is "felt knowledge"! I have a strong felt knowledge regarding denial. So, having said all that, I opt to defer to my youthful years when variations was just another difficult word from friday's spelling test. It does not compute in my limited spaced gray matter. I look at a card and I see a name on the front and most times a number on the back. I look at my WL and if I need the card, I put a check mark beside the number and put the card in my binder, if I have the card already, I put it in my dupes box. The only "variation" in that scenerio is that if it's a Star or Tiger card I may check to see if it's an upgrade, in such case the lesser graded card goes in the dupes box. Simple, worry-free, blissful ignorance that is my version of "Collecting the Way it Should be." For those that are still reading I would like to confess that the preceding ramble was inspired not just by Ken's inquiry regarding variations, but was a therapeutic exercise for me. We are rapidly approching the 1 year mark of my son's death. We approach this "Anniversary" with a great deal of anxiety and trepidation. I find writing very therapuetic for me in general, but more so when depressive thoughts attempt to invade and occupy my consciousness. In writing I can put into practice the healing power of humor, the importance of sharing thoughts and feelings with those who care, and focusing in on celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. Any celebration of my son's life would be incomplete without the deeply felt gratitude of those things he has given to us. As I mentioned, Dustin was the re-ignitor of my passion for collecting cards and subsequently my introduction to OBC. What a gift he gave me. I cannot help but think of what some may call irony and I chose to call the mysterious workings of my G-d. Dustin's passion for sports not only gave me many prideful moments as a spectator and coach, but indirectly gave me membership in OBC. In turn OBC gave to me a tremendous sense of comfort and numerous moments of welcomed distraction in the past 11 months. I am very grateful for the number of times I have been MASHed this year. That's Much Appreciated Supportive Help for those unfamiliar with the acronym. I am obliged to reiterate our gratitude for your donations to the DZK Memorial Fund via the Members Only OBC Auction. I would be remiss if I did not mention the private e-mails and phone calls of support from OBC members. Next to my family and close friends, most of whom are members of another exclusive group we call 12 steppers, OBC has been the greatest source of strength for me. This is almost over, I promise. From the many things I have learned from my son's death these are two that are most often reinforced through my on going experience with OBC * the value of something is determined solely by it's worth to you. * we can admire and share the excitement of someone else's treasures without a compulsion to gain them as well. So if this years membership dues were a 58 Mantle, my only questions would be 1)"do I send it express?" 2) "do you want it insured?" You might find this hard to believe, but I just went to spell-check and got the following message: "Webtv cannot check the spelling of messages this long!" We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:26:02 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Your Message to OBC-Ramblings Date: 1 Nov 2006 04:46:29 -0000 To: DSH46@aol.com From: Yahoo! Groups Subject: Your Message to OBC-Ramblings From: DSH46@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:28:58 EST Subject: Last Weekend To: notify-dg-OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com OK, so I was a day late to the Hofstra show........... We have an event billed as the Long Island National twice a year at Hofstra University. I got delayed until Sunday but ran into Dan Angland nonetheless. Dan and I ended up at Dan Jacobsen's tables by noon as the Giants game loomed and I think we both did OK there. I found two dozen Brooklyn beaters at Dan's tables which just capped off a great show day. For a fairly small major show I found a ton of Topps oddball to kill off large portions of my lists plus I nailed three Dodgers, including Jackie Robinson, from the 55 Topps Doubleheaders as I was leaving at what I can only describe as bargain basement rates. And every dealer I spoke too mentioned business was excellent. Best LI National ever. Next one is in the spring; it's a worthy OBC event y'all. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 20:24:50 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Yes Geno, EEK's "DON'T KNOW SQUAT" is a top 10 ramble! He's right, us "neighborhood experts" can look like novice collectors when talking with you REAL experts! Thanks for the laughs EEK! Fernando :-) ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 22:38:53 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: November 2, 2006 waiver wire Hello all Im offering up a few guys who have passed through waivers Please Claim them because I can no longer afford to keep them on my payroll..........LOL ok here they are 1952 Bowman #32 ( trimmed) 1955 Bowman 104, 222 1956 Topps # 105 1960 Topps # 416 1962 Topps #s417, 443 1963 Topps #s 164,193 1964 Topps #s 30, 31,92 1965 Topps #s 48, 61 1967 topps #s 8, 59,192, 221,301 Claim and send your address if you Need them Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 03:53:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: re: post 14304, about CRAIG SKOK I read the message that Bob Reed posted the other day about having talked to Mr. Virgilio, and for some reason, that message stuck in my head. So I got to looking. According to the Beckett website, Craig Skok had five cards: 1976 Sacramento Solons Caruso Craig Skok 4 1979 Topps Craig Skok 363 1980 Richmond Braves TCMA Craig Skok 20 1980-81 Venezuelan League Stickers Graig Skok 20 1993 Rangers Keebler Craig Skok I immediately saw that of those five, there was NO CHANCE I had any of those except for maybe the 1979 Topps. So I did a quick search in the few 79s I have, and bingo! I have a dupe. I'll be sending it out tomorrow... but that's not much on its own. Anyone else have any luck finding one or more of these cards? Would be nice to hear what we can do when we get together... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2006 09:58:10 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: Old Judge Question--Help! Well, the long awaited ebay win arrived. My question for everyone...and your references if need be...Do Old Judge Baseball cards come with Sweet Caporal Backs? The back on my old judge duffe (fielding)...looks almost exactly like the back on this fine fine card (a slight differents in the shape below "absolutely pure": https://www.gfg.com/19th/sc.jpg The front looks really good...nice wear, a bit of fading, staining. Looks What does everyone think? Anybody to talk to? Try Search Survival Kits: Fix up your home and better handle your cash with Live Search! http://imagine-windowslive.com/search/kits/default.aspx?kit=improve&locale=en-US&source=hmtagline ================= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 07:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: Mac Wubben , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Old Judge Question--Help! Hey Mac, Cool card, man! Don't have any Old Judges myself, but it's an interesting issue. I've checked my list, but unfortunately can't even hit you with my 33 Goudey dupes right now (you already have the Bengough? rats!). However, I'm headed to a show today. Anything special I can look for that would be Jackie-worthy? ----- Original Message ---- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 3, 2006 9:58:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Old Judge Question--Help! Well, the long awaited ebay win arrived. My question for everyone...and your references if need be...Do Old Judge Baseball cards come with Sweet Caporal Backs? The back on my old judge duffe (fielding)...looks almost exactly like the back on this fine fine card (a slight differents in the shape below "absolutely pure": https://www.gfg.com/19th/sc.jpg The front looks really good...nice wear, a bit of fading, staining. Looks What does everyone think? Anybody to talk to? ================= To: , Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 11:48:03 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Earl: I didn't know you used to trade with Mr. Mint as a kid ;-)... great ramble ! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: cardclctor@aol.com Cc: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mouth pain or Variations thereof! Personally, I don't collect variations and doubt I ever will. Although the truth about why I've taken this position may have it's roots in cost, availability, and ignorance, I have decided to rationalize with a much deeper and sentimental reason. Besides my Grandma was a Kelly so I have enough Irish in me to follow the phylosophy: "never let truth get in front of a good story." Warning to all of OBC whose eyes are fixed on this Ramble: I'm retired, I'm on my fourth cup of coffee, I've seen the same hour SportsCenter thrice already, my wife is at work, the dogs and the cat are taking a nap and Ken's ramble was nothing short of inspirational. OK, for those few of you that did not hit the delete button, I firmly beleive that there are some things in life that we are better off not knowing. That being said........ there I was in the year 2000, kind of dum-de-dumming through life when I stumbled upon a group of baseball card collectors whose motto was "Collecting the Way it Should be". WOW, this is too cool, so I worked out a few trades with members, admittedly following the most recent Beckett (not knowing it was pronounced Buckett). Now, for clarity sake my "better off not knowing" statement was definately not in regard to discovering and eventually being allowed to join this fantastic group of ours. I am absolutely much better off since joining OBC. I'm just maintaining the "keep them in suspense" method that Ken utilized so effectively in his Ramble. Further, it's equally important for anyone who is still reading this to know that pre-OBC I was the most knowledgeable person I knew with regard to baseball card collecting. I had by far the largest and most valuable collection in my little corner of the world. Family and friends would marvel at my rather beat up 58 Mantle and Williams and my near complete 58 thru 62T sets, not to mention the numerous boxes and binders in my collection. Again, that was before I heard the much more appropriate expression "well loved" as opposed to "beat up". As I got more familiar with OBC and it's members, I began to recognize that I was indeed self The first moment of clarity came to me at an eatery in a used to be resort town in Michigan called Lake Orion. Actually Lake Orion is still in Michigan, it's just no longer a resort town. At any rate that's where I met in person, my very first OBC member. Of course I already knew me, but I met myself long before OBC so that doesn't count. At any rate, that far too short encounter with Mark Talbot was a real eye opener for me. Here was a guy that at some point must have lived in the same neighborhood as Norm Cash. I was pretty impressed as he showed me a binder with numerous cards of his "homie". I learned more about card collecting in that brief meeting with Mark then I had previously known in all my, at that time, 55 years. I left that restaurant thinking to myself, "Kilbourn, you don't know squat about card collecting." But again this was not the "better off not knowing" part. My life has been much richer since I've come to know OBCers and fellow FOOT members like Mark. I have been well blessed. Speaking of rich, I think the next OBCer I met was in fact Mike Rich. Prior to my visit to the Rich Sports Card and Memoribilia Museum, which he called his home, I thought, OK, I may not know much about collecting, but I still have a pretty big collection. The first analogy that comes to mind is: picture a mud puddle, now picture an Ocean. You got it! I left Mike's with the thought: "Kilbourn you don't have squat for a collection". I have been back to the Museum a few times since that initial visit, and I have yet to see his entire collection. I think his "dupes box room" contains more cards then my entire collection. But alas and again, this is not the "better off not knowing" part. I have fond memories of meetings with Mark, Mike and other FOOT members, Ron Perry, Chuck Paris, and John McLaughlin. I look forward to many more meetings and hold out hope that I will one day meet Art Wainwright, George Moore, Glenn Codere and all the TOES, including the Big TOE, Grant Rainsley. Over the past 5 years I have been to numerous Sports Card Shows, frequently in the company of fellow OBCers. I have learned much more then I'll ever remember about card shopping from the many experts in OBC. Mike Rich, Ron Perry, Ken Morganti and Steve Rittenberg just to name a few. Many's the time I have been saved from myself as another OBCer would whisper in my ear, "you can get that same card in better condition and half the price at table 219." At my very first National I was again humbled as my naivete was revealed. There I was with my black leather shoulder bag containing the latest Beckett, the OBCer's phone number list, the OBC Directory, a bunch of wantlists, writing instruments, a magnifying glass, and my handy dandy card identifier with pictures of the front and backs of post war vintage cards, sans the "odd balls" of course. My intent was to help myself and any other OBCer to accurately identify the year of a particular card. I know, I know, I told you I was naive. Again, on numerous occassions a kind and thoughful OBCer would observe me fumbling with my magnifting glass and card identifyer, take pity on me and say, "that's a 49 Bowman" or "a 60 Leaf". I have been impressed at times when it was obvious that an OBCer knew a hell of a lot more about cards a dealer was selling then the dealer did. I think I mentioned in a previous ramble (that rightfully and wisely so, many of you deleted prior to reading) that I was at a show with Mike Rich, where I would simply hold up a card from across the room and Mike would respond with "69 Milton Bradley" or some other accurate identification. It boggles what's left of my mind to realize that knowing the year of most any Topps card is just the very small tip of a very large iceberg. I'm on information overload. Those Card Show experiences taught me "Kilbourn you don't know squat about card identification." Yes, you've guessed it, that's not the "better off not knowing" part either. But, this is! I said/wrote all that to say this. My phylosophy on the subject of variations is rooted in my childhood, which by the way I have much better recall of than the ages and dates of birth for my 8 grandchildren. I remember my first venture into collecting an entire set of cards. It was 1958, I was 12 years old and flush with money from 2 paper routes, lawn mowing, and garden weeding. I bought a lot of cards from PikNik, Fanger's Market and Boro's Grocery. I also chewed a lot of gum in 1958. What did I know from white vs yellow letters. If it was a card I didn't have, it went in my desk drawer, except if it was a Tiger, & then it was thumb tacked to my wall. If it was a card I already had, it went in a box on top of the desk that I called my extras box before I recognized the proper term was "dupes". Now, there was a "not from the neighborhood kid" whose sister and he would come to the house to trade. She with a hugh stack of comic books and he with a box of cards. I put my sister in charge of trading comic books as I traded cards with the "not from our neighborhood" kid. He was rather wierd because he was forever trading a card from his collection for the same card in mine. He just said at the time "I think the yellow letters are cooler". OK, to each his own, but to get that excited about trading his alphabetical Cincinnati Reds checklist for my numerical checklist, was too wierd for me. After all, they were both #428. Even more confusing was to note that usually he had both the regular card and the "strange" card in his collection. Like I said, he was not from the neighborhood, so he was suspect to begin with. As years went by he got stranger still. A couple years later he traded his 60T Rocky Bridges, a Tiger, for a non-Tiger Tommy Davis, who I'm not sure if he even played in the American League at that time. This kid, whose name I have stored away in the "access denied" vault in my memory bank, went completely over the edge in my final year of youthful collecting. He actually wanted those 62T sickish looking green "mistake" cards. In spite of our parents admonishments regarding name calling, myself and my neighboring cruddy buddies would chuckle and refer to him as a clod, which was the most feared and powerful cut-down word at that time. None of us felt strongly enough about it to call him that to his face and I think there was really an absence of malice in our pea brains. Flash forward to 1988. My then, 7 year old son, Dustin brings home some baseball cards and asked me if I ever collected. I said I did and my cards were at Grandma's in the attic. He wanted to go get them right then, but I said that we could wait until we went over on Sunday for dinner. The very next day he brings home this thin magazine type thing called a Price Guide. After a quick scan of the prices of cards from 58 to 62 I said "we're going to Grandma's". "Is it Sunday already" says he. "Just get in the car, son"! That little episode was the re-ignition of my boyhood passion and eventually led to my discovering OBC. You're right, this is looking more and more like a very bad impression of a Quentin Tarantino story, but I'm nearing the end...... After a while in OBC, I begin to pick up the vernacular and before you know it I have purchased my first SCD. I start reading about SP's, Hi's and variations. Another flashback to that anal retentive kid who was preveiously referred to as "the clod". Well, the truth be known, if he was a clod as in clod of dirt, I and my friends were mountains. I wish I had a few of the cards I traded away now. Hence my statement "some things we are better off not knowing". As a clinical type, I am well versed in the Granddaddy of all psychological defense mechanisms: Denial! My knowledge is not just of the book learning intellectual variety, but is also what we refer to as "felt knowledge". Geno, and perhaps others can identify with the knowledge that is gained from reading instructions, vs the actual experience of putting on new brake pads. In the experience you feel the scrapped knuckles, the pinched fingers and the frustration when you throw your tools and scream *^#@*+%&~` until your wife comes out and says "quiet, the neighbors will hear." That wasn't in the manual. That is "felt knowledge"! I have a strong felt knowledge regarding denial. So, having said all that, I opt to defer to my youthful years when variations was just another difficult word from friday's spelling test. It does not compute in my limited spaced gray matter. I look at a card and I see a name on the front and most times a number on the back. I look at my WL and if I need the card, I put a check mark beside the number and put the card in my binder, if I have the card already, I put it in my dupes box. The only "variation" in that scenerio is that if it's a Star or Tiger card I may check to see if it's an upgrade, in such case the lesser graded card goes in the dupes box. Simple, worry-free, blissful ignorance that is my version of "Collecting the Way it Should be." For those that are still reading I would like to confess that the preceding ramble was inspired not just by Ken's inquiry regarding variations, but was a therapeutic exercise for me. We are rapidly approching the 1 year mark of my son's death. We approach this "Anniversary" with a great deal of anxiety and trepidation. I find writing very therapuetic for me in general, but more so when depressive thoughts attempt to invade and occupy my consciousness. In writing I can put into practice the healing power of humor, the importance of sharing thoughts and feelings with those who care, and focusing in on celebrating a life instead of mourning a death. Any celebration of my son's life would be incomplete without the deeply felt gratitude of those things he has given to us. As I mentioned, Dustin was the re-ignitor of my passion for collecting cards and subsequently my introduction to OBC. What a gift he gave me. I cannot help but think of what some may call irony and I chose to call the mysterious workings of my G-d. Dustin's passion for sports not only gave me many prideful moments as a spectator and coach, but indirectly gave me membership in OBC. In turn OBC gave to me a tremendous sense of comfort and numerous moments of welcomed distraction in the past 11 months. I am very grateful for the number of times I have been MASHed this year. That's Much Appreciated Supportive Help for those unfamiliar with the acronym. I am obliged to reiterate our gratitude for your donations to the DZK Memorial Fund via the Members Only OBC Auction. I would be remiss if I did not mention the private e-mails and phone calls of support from OBC members. Next to my family and close friends, most of whom are members of another exclusive group we call 12 steppers, OBC has been the greatest source of strength for me. This is almost over, I promise. From the many things I have learned from my son's death these are two that are most often reinforced through my on going experience with OBC * the value of something is determined solely by it's worth to you. * we can admire and share the excitement of someone else's treasures without a compulsion to gain them as well. So if this years membership dues were a 58 Mantle, my only questions would be 1)"do I send it express?" 2) "do you want it insured?" You might find this hard to believe, but I just went to spell-check and got the following message: "Webtv cannot check the spelling of messages this long!" We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 17:12:20 EST To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Old Judge Question--Help! They never came with Sweet Cap backs. The card was rebacked with the Sweet cap back. Usually people use(d) blank back actress old judge cards to reback OJs but every now and then you get one of these. Do hurt the value a little though. Still a nice card. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2006 18:42:17 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Variations on a theme Firstly, I hope this makes it through. I am having problems with e-mails to the Yahoogroups server. I was forwarding back a message about the LI National last week and it just disappeared off the latest digest after not getting into it at all the day I sent it. Secondly, the epic Morganti ramble and subsequent responses are interesting. I only collect a couple of variations, namely the '62 Topps pose variations and I have the 2 from the '51 Redback set and possibly a Bump Wills from 1979 but it dawned on me that since I collect mostly Topps oddball issues, my entire collection varies from mainstream sets. Some of this is thrill of the hunt and some of it is probably a desire to be non-conformist, in addition to about a dozen other factors, I'm sure. This is not a new phenomenon with me. In terms of the music I listen to, the books I read and the movies I watch, I almost always end up at the fringes. I couldn't tell you the last song I liked that I heard on the radio but I listen to all sorts of new music while my buddies plug in to the classic rock of their youth. I lost interest in the newest Grisham book years ago but devoured old Raymond Chandler stuff instead and am reading a fab book now by Saul Bellow (The Adventures of Augie March) that is 50 something years old. Actually, I am also reading a book called The Best Ballpark Ever, which is now out in paperback. It's the history of Ebbets Field, told if you will from the perspective of the ballpark and it has a ton of stuff I never knew about, which considering I own about 30 books on the Brooklyn Dodgers is no small feat! Look at my choice of baseball teams even. I live on Long Island and when most root for the Yankees, I am a Mets fan. Mets fans are used to not having things go their way! Anywho-I stopped putting together Topps regular sets a couple of years ago because it seemed like I was just crossing numbers off a list. I have complete sets from 1967-80 (really through 1992 but I will respect the non-UV rules) and at one point was going to do 'em all back to 1952 but I basically got bored with that concept. Don't get me wrong, I especially love the 67-72 era sets as I grew up with them and would not get rid of them for anything but I couldn't get excited about piecing together a '59 or 64 set. I was not bored with the oddball stuff though and have really had fun collecting those but still wanted to collect some regular cards So I started team set collecting. I'm filling in 1962-66 Mets team sets (down to a few) and from 57 back I am going after Dodger team sets. I'll probably go back to the 33 Goudeys at least on the Dodger cards and possibly to the T card sets. Why? Because I am having fun! So if you get bored putting together that 61 set, put it down for a while. You'll either go back to it or send it out to other OBC'ers. I did that with large chunks of what was once my core collection over the years and never regretted it once. You can always put together another 61 set. And if you want to collect a dupe set, go for it. Like I said, you can always collect another 61 set! OBCand collecting is whatever you make of it. Everyone gets a little tired of things they have done for a while. If you give up collecting variations beacuse 58 Herrer is going to run a grand or so, you're in good company! That applies too if you want to spend the grand as well. This probably had nothing to do with the original thread but it's where my mind rambled. OBC-the newest blog........... ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:52:17 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1957 #95 fb Mcelhenny Hello All, I have a beat up card ready to trade for hopefully something in the lines of: 104(morrall) or 128(moore)...these book more but I do have othe cards to add to the pot Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 11:59:00 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Hoops needs to finish set Hello All, One more push to ice 2 sets: 1976-77 topps vg/ex condition ( 3 left) 1(erving),60(maravich),127(erving as), upgrades to exmt #48,97,143 1977-78 vg up condition (1more to go) #100(evering) Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 19:17:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Waiver Wire many availables The following Baseball Topps cards are available to be claimed. 1960 # 385 1961 #'s 64, 81, 100, 129, 156, 163, 170, 184, 188, 189, 195, 209, 216, 229, 258, 272, 278, 291 1962 #'s 16, 39, 47, 68 1966 #'s 12, 45, 57, 102, 137, 171 1967 # 370 1968 #'s 64, 244, 255, 282, 315, 331, 356, 375 1970 # 267 1974 #'s 408, 522, 567, 1975 #'s 25, 317, 584 1976 #'s 9, 18, 25, 30, 33, 45, 47, 85, 92, 94, 97, 101, 124, 171, 177, 188, 189, 199, 206, 211, 212, 223, 241, 248, 250, 258, 265, 280, 281, 284, 289, 290, 292, 307, 317, 328, 334, 340, 351, 352, 369, 370, 374, 382, 389, 393, 398, 400, 401, 411, 413, 415, 416, 446, 454, 464, 491, 493, 496, 499, 504, 514, 516, 518, 519, 528, 530, 531, 538, 541, 567, 569, 570, 577, 582, 589, 622, 640, 641, 643, 651, 657 1976 Traded #'s 27, 28, 99, 158, 211, 292, 380, 464, 592, 1977 #'s 11, 21, 28, 39, 41, 45, 47, 52, 67, 83, 91, 96, 97, 98, 102, 112, 113, 124, 126, 127, 131, 133, 138, 142, 156, 158, 161, 163, 168, 171, 180, 182, 190, 198, 199, 211, 212, 216, 229, 244, 251, 252, 253, 266, 268, 270, 271, 281, 297, 299, 305, 306, 311, 328, 341, 344, 345, 346, 348, 352, 361, 365, 372, 380, 383, 389, 403, 407, 417, 423, 428, 449, 452, 463, 490, 504, 510, 518, 524, 529, 530, 540, 547, 549, 557, 564, 565, 571, 573, 582, 599, 603, 606, 610, 618, 626, 629, 636, 642 1978 #'s 53, 147, 165, 704 1979 #'s 19, 58, 61, 91, 107, 120, 121, 179, 189, 239, 241, 279, 295, 298, 303, 311, 351, 395, 439, 461, 467, 538, 613, 645, 653, 684, 686, 1980 #'s 62, 93, 469 I also have a 1978 Burger King Yankees # 11 ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2006 18:32:06 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 57 Mcelhenny is cliamed Hello All, Thanks for the looks. If you happen to still have 1 of those 2 57 cards & Ineed please let me know ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2006 20:58:53 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: Tobacco card trade bait I am sitting on a few tobacco cards that I would love to trade for other tobacco cards...other cards on the wantlist would probably be ok, but t cards for t cards might be easiest. Let me know... Clarke (HOF)/Byrne Walter Johnson (HOF)/Street Just Before Battle (mathewson/meyers) Cree Rolls Home (Daubert, Hummell) The Athletic Infield (3-finger brown, Graham) Brown (HOF) Donohue (SP) Nee (minor leaguer) Tinker (HOF) Wallace with Cap (HOF) Bender HOF (no trees) Camnitz (arms folded) Chance (yellow) Chase (white cap, blue port) Clark (HOF) Port Donlin (with bat) Doyle (hands above head) Hart (SL) Helm (SL) Kelley (HOF) Lipe (SL) Manion (SL) Marquard (HOF) Miller (SL) Mullaney (SL) Murphy (vertical) Murray (batting) Myers (batting) Orth (SL) Schlei (fielding) Seymour (batting, throwing) Waddell (HOF) (port) Walsh (HOF) White (SL) Wright (Toledo) And Just in case... 33 Goudey #35 Simmons #5 Herman #20 Terry 35 goudey Averill et al Brandt et al Cuyler et al #21 Pfeister http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/jsyoung.htm Try the next generation of search with Windows Live Search today! http://imagine-windowslive.com/minisites/searchlaunch/?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 07:55:31 -0500 To: chuck.paris@comcast.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Mr. Mint Earl: I didn't know you used to trade with Mr. Mint as a kid ;-)... great ramble ! Come to think of it, if you take the hair on Mr. Mint's face and put it on his head there would be a strong resemblance to that "not from the neighborhood kid." And HE was definitely not from our neighborhood. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:06:11 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Mr. Mint If you married Mr. Mint's daughter and later divorced her, would you be Mr. Just wondering, ================= To: , Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 14:33:38 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint Not to mention that during the wedding, when Mr. Mint was giving away his daughter to you, you would be Near Mint... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint If you married Mr. Mint's daughter and later divorced her, would you be Mr. Just wondering, ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 09:59:36 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, DSH46@aol.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint And of course, if he received your wedding gift of a rare stone personally you could say, "Here is your Gem Mint" ================= To: , Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 15:02:30 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint And depending on how good the photographer was, the wedding picture may show you Near Mint (OC). ----- Original Message ----- From: Biggies@aol.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; DSH46@aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint And of course, if he received your wedding gift of a rare stone personally you could say, "Here is your Gem Mint" ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:16:40 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1969 deckle variation up for grabs Hello All, I have #5 jim fregosi (ex) with his signiture on front slightly ending intothe white border. Anyone interesed? ================= To: , Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 10:53:44 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint Forget the father of the bride...the groom is just happy she's a 10. ----- Original Message ----- From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:06 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mr. Mint If you married Mr. Mint's daughter and later divorced her, would you be Mr. Just wondering, ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 11:13:16 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: life magazine Found a antique mall that has a couple of Life magazines that are of some interest to baseball collectors. I was wondering if anyone in OBC land would know the value of these. I checked on EBay and neither one is currently available. One is the well-known Richard Burton / Elizabeth Taylor cover that has the Mantle/Maris Post cards inside. The cards look to be in great shape, the mag cover has a bit of scuffing &other various wear. The price they have on it is $62.50. The other mag is one from the forties, (I forgot what year), that has a portrait of Joe Dimaggio on the cover, and a story about him inside. Cover looks ok, may be some minor creasing or wear, I didn't examine it that much. They want $45.00 for it. I'm debating about the Mantle/Maris book but have no interest in the Dimaggio but would be glad to purchase either one for someone looking for them. Any idea on their worth? Greg (yaz) ================= To: yazobc@insightbb.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 15:16:26 -0500 From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] life magazine According to the big SCD book the magazine with cards book $30 in VG, $50 EX and $100 in NM cards book Mantle books $12, 20, and 60 while MAris is $3, 5, 10 . This is according to 2004. I would say I paid about 25 to 30 bucks for mine at a card show for the two cards Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: yazobc@insightbb.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, 5 Nov 2006 11:13 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] life magazine Found a antique mall that has a couple of Life magazines that are of some interest to baseball collectors. I was wondering if anyone in OBC land would know the value of these. I checked on EBay and neither one is currently available. One is the well-known Richard Burton / Elizabeth Taylor cover that has the Mantle/Maris Post cards inside. The cards look to be in great shape, the mag cover has a bit of scuffing &other various wear. The price they have on it is $62.50. The other mag is one from the forties, (I forgot what year), that has a portrait of Joe Dimaggio on the cover, and a story about him inside. Cover looks ok, may be some minor creasing or wear, I didn't examine it that much. They want $45.00 for it. I'm debating about the Mantle/Maris book but have no interest in the Dimaggio but would be glad to purchase either one for someone looking for them. Any idea on their worth? Greg (yaz) Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:04:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: Fantasy NBA I just started a fantasy nba league for whoever wants to join me. Draft is Sunday night Nov 26 at 9pm CST League id:204509 Password- obc Hope to see you there. Mark Zentkovich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 19:43:36 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: to slab or .... I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 17:38:43 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... Take a hammer, strike squarely and smartly on top corner. Insert screwdriver and pry. Remove card and place in binder like the others. Recycle stupid plastic, keep cardboard. I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott "http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100122638x1081283466x1074645346/aol?redir =http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Eaim%2Ecom%2Ffun%2Fmail%2F" \nCheck Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 20:50:07 -0500 To: jdelott@aol.com From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... A "generous" 1.5 from a company you've never heard of should surely constitute LIBERATION! Besides, It's always been my belief that cards that grade highly were an aberration. Especially older cards like that. Between flipping, bike spokes and normal "wear", cards should not be in that good of a condition. I firmly believe in the phrase "well loved". I have a '56 Kaline that looks like a dog took a bite out of it, someone typed "All-Star" and his number and taped it to the card. I'd rather have a card like that, that looks like who ever owned it knew baseball, and loved baseball, than a "Gem Mint 10 PSA" that someone grabbed out of a pack, and put it away immediately never enjoying the thrill of On Nov 6, 2006, at 7:43 PM, jdelott@aol.com wrote: > Hi > I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall > the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, > even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is > "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This > company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me > because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the > card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? > Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss > the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? > Jeff Delott > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry- > leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 01:54:55 +0000 From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... IIRC, according to the Tipton Grading Guide, any Brooklyn Dodger qualifies as mint. When Larry first wrote the guide, I'm not sure graded cards were being talked about, or even existed. If there were ever to be an addendum, I would think that any slabbed Brooklyn Dodger card would be automatically downgraded to poor or fair. BTW, when I switched ISPs a couple times ago, I lost my saved copy of the Tipton Guide. Any of the old timers have a copy saved on their hard drive? I'd love to have it again. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Grant" Take a hammer, strike squarely and smartly on top corner. Insert screwdriver and pry. Remove card and place in binder like the others. Recycle stupid plastic, keep cardboard. ??????????? Grant I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 21:53:44 -0500 To: jdelott@aol.com From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... I would have been inclined to keep it in the holder if it was one of the major grading brands since the plastic occasionally provides a small premium or at worst a nice labeled holder for the card, but since yours is from at the most a 3rd tier grader you'd be just fine in cracking it out for yourself. You don't have to worry about losing value as very few people would consider paying any premium on a PGS card anyway. So I say crack it out and enjoy your card. On 6-Nov-06, at 7:43 PM, jdelott@aol.com wrote: > Hi > I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall > the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, > even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is > "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This > company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me > because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the > card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? > Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss > the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? > Jeff Delott > Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry- > leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2006 22:27:09 -0500 From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... Slab One of those four letter words that you need Father Pat help or Aaron Shirley :-) -----Original Message----- From: dodgergeo@comcast.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 7:54 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... IIRC, according to the Tipton Grading Guide, any Brooklyn Dodger qualifies as mint. When Larry first wrote the guide, I'm not sure graded cards were being talked about, or even existed. If there were ever to be an addendum, I would think that any slabbed Brooklyn Dodger card would be automatically downgraded to poor or fair. BTW, when I switched ISPs a couple times ago, I lost my saved copy of the Tipton Guide. Any of the old timers have a copy saved on their hard drive? I'd love to have it again. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Grant" Take a hammer, strike squarely and smartly on top corner. Insert screwdriver and pry. Remove card and place in binder like the others. Recycle stupid plastic, keep cardboard. ??????????? Grant I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.27/517 - Release Date: 11/3/2006 Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 05:45:06 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Wilmington, MA show report The Boston area possesses one really good show per year, a weekend-long soiree at the Wilmington Shriner's Auditorium. (It must be big, everyone's favorite in-law Mr. Mint was there!) With other plans for the weekend itself, I trekked over Friday afternoon, when the show runs from 12-7. Got there about 2pm and talked to Kevin Savage briefly. Heard that another OBCer was on-site. "Look for the guy with all sorts of paint on his hat!" That was Bob Donaldson, who found me shortly after. He passed along a hit to the 1936 S&S Game set, a Paul Derringer card with "SET 50 CENTS" written on it in Sharpie. Someone who sold it for the game aspect some years ago, perhaps? Bob D mentioned that Bob Farrell was also on site, but unfortunately didn'trun into him. Found Ken Morganti and Jim Hatch without too much trouble, though, a good representation of the Boston-area OBCers. We alternately chatted and wandered our separate aisles in search of cards. Jim mentioned he'drecently won an area cribbage tournament, which impressed me greatly--cribbage is a big game in my family. (Cards that pay you back!) Most of my purchases came from "usual suspect" dealers and included some beat-up 1941 highs, two strip cards for $1 from Kevin Savage, a 1967 hi# SP, a 1978 OPC Luzinski, and some Diamond Stars. Things picked up speed slightly at the Clean Sweep table, where I bought a bunch of 1940 Play Balls and two E95 cards graded "Extra Poor." One HOFer--Chance--and one common. The large purchase of the day came at a dealer I hadn't met before. He had a box of $2 cards and a small packet of very low-grade 1941 Play Balls. When I asked to see it, he also said, "Well, I've got the Williams right over here. Oh, and the Doerr, too." Long story short, I snagged Teddy Ballgame and bunch of others for 7% of book and have a real wantlist for 1941 now. Excellent! Great show all-around--hope to catch more guys at the Warwick, RI show in acouple of months. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 09:03:17 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Fwd: to slab or .... Thanks for everyone's response. Jeff Delott -----Original Message----- From: jdelott@aim.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 7:43 PM Subject: to slab or .... I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:43:28 EST To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Anyone have dupes of these 2 Helmar? Does anyone have an extra Dewhirst or Stearns? A collector in another group needs those 2 to kill his set & I'd like to be able to help him out. I'd be glad to check my Helmar dupes for return fire as a way to say thanks. Tom Housley ================= To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.net, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2006 19:03:02 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Test for Peter Mead!!! Hello All, I am testing the system for Peter Mead. Peter if you get these emails please respond so that I know you are receiving them. BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------- MARK ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 19:12:10 -0500 From: Joe Isaac Subject: web designer help Hello to everyone in OBC land, I would like to know if any of you are web designers or know of a good web designer. I would appreciate if anyone can LMK. Thanks in advance,Joe Call friends with PC-to-PC calling -- FREE http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 21:16:14 EST To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Help requested for common issues Hello fellow cardboardians, I have run into a stall on my Typecard set(an attaempt to collect 1 card from every set. So I am asking for some help. My dupes box is pretty full so I can repay in trade with vigor. My set runs from 1980 back to whenever. (still looking for my first 19th century card) Commons are preferred and condition is not a big issue. Please take a look at the end of my website for a listing of what I have and if you have anything I need it will be greatly appreciated: _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com) and here is a list of some of the cards that I am looking for: 1951 Topps Team cards 1951 Topps Blue Back 1954 " Scoops and Look n' See 1955 " Stamps and SI insert 1956 " Pins and Hocus Phocus 1958 " Team Emblem and Team Folder 1959 " Venezuela and Team Pennant 1960 " Venezuela and Tattoos 1965 " Transfers 1966 " Venezuela and Punchout 1967 " Spanish Back and Punchout 1968 " 3D Pin and Plaks and Stand Up 1969 " Supers and Team Posters and Stamps 1970 " Venezuela and Cloth Stickers 1936-1951 Wheaties any issue T206 Drum or Broad Leaf Back 1970's Whiffle Ball 1959 - 1960's Yoohoo any issue 1912 to 1919 Zeenuts 1946 to 1950 Sunbeam Bread 1911 Silks 1951 to 1954 Sears and Roebuck 1960's Rold Gold Pretzels 1955 and 65 Rodeo Meats 1978 Reggie Bar Sticker 1950's or 60's Rawlings Any Quaker Oats 1950's Parkhurst Any Nadja Any Kolb's Mothers Bread Any Hunter's Weiners Any Hollywood Stars Any Hages Ice Cream Any Guys Potato Chips Any Greyhound Any Globe Printing Any Dixie Cup Lid Any Budwieser Any Burger Beer or Burger Chef Any Armour Coin This is just some of the cards that I need. Out of 3500+ issues I am making a dent. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bob Bannon _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com) ================= To: jdelott@aol.com Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 02:44:23 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] to slab or .... Hello Jeff, About a year ago I liberated some `70-71 Topps Basketball Hi number commons that were graded PSA 9 from there plastic tombs. They are now proudly displayed in the binder that I feel is a better way to enjoy the cards. I was a bit apprehensive about how to get them safely out of their plastic shrine as they were nice looking cards and I wanted to keep them that way. I used vise grips, a screwdriver and a pair of pliers, I held the plastic case still with the vise grips (a vise would have worked better, but I don't have one) and I snipped off the upper corner with the pliers. Then I pryed the plastic apart with the screwdriver finally liberating the cardboard for some touchy-feely collecting. All cardboard belongs outside of these plastic encasements, I just don't enjoy them as much inside them. My two cents worth - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: jdelott@aol.com I'm sure this question has circulated before, but I don't recall the outcome. I bought a 1956 Topps Pee Wee Reese. It's graded, even though I didn't realize it had been. The grading company is "Professional Gradingg Service," which I never heard of. This company graded the card a 1.5, although it seems generous to me because it looks like tape roipped off some paper on the top of the card's front. Do I lose any value if I break open the plastic? Considering the condition, should I care? I was planning to toss the palstic and stick the card in my binder. Is that a waste? Jeff Delott Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: biggies@aol.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2006 07:01:29 -0500 From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help requested for common issues I have a 51 Blue Back for you Will try to get it out to you by tomorrow -----Original Message----- From: biggies@aol.com To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 8:16 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help requested for common issues Hello fellow cardboardians, I have run into a stall on my Typecard set(an attaempt to collect 1 card from every set. So I am asking for some help. My dupes box is pretty full so I can repay in trade with vigor. My set runs from 1980 back to whenever. (still looking for my first 19th century card) Commons are preferred and condition is not a big issue. Please take a look at the end of my website for a listing of what I have and if you have anything I need it will be greatly appreciated: www.biggcards.com and here is a list of some of the cards that I am looking for: 1951 Topps Team cards 1951 Topps Blue Back 1954 " Scoops and Look n' See 1955 " Stamps and SI insert 1956 " Pins and Hocus Phocus 1958 " Team Emblem and Team Folder 1959 " Venezuela and Team Pennant 1960 " Venezuela and Tattoos 1965 " Transfers 1966 " Venezuela and Punchout 1967 " Spanish Back and Punchout 1968 " 3D Pin and Plaks and Stand Up 1969 " Supers and Team Posters and Stamps 1970 " Venezuela and Cloth Stickers 1936-1951 Wheaties any issue T206 Drum or Broad Leaf Back 1970's Whiffle Ball 1959 - 1960's Yoohoo any issue 1912 to 1919 Zeenuts 1946 to 1950 Sunbeam Bread 1911 Silks 1951 to 1954 Sears and Roebuck 1960's Rold Gold Pretzels 1955 and 65 Rodeo Meats 1978 Reggie Bar Sticker 1950's or 60's Rawlings Any Quaker Oats 1950's Parkhurst Any Nadja Any Kolb's Mothers Bread Any Hunter's Weiners Any Hollywood Stars Any Hages Ice Cream Any Guys Potato Chips Any Greyhound Any Globe Printing Any Dixie Cup Lid Any Budwieser Any Burger Beer or Burger Chef Any Armour Coin This is just some of the cards that I need. Out of 3500+ issues I am making a dent. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Bob Bannon www.biggcards.com Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (obc ramblings) Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:22:45 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: 1967 Red Sox Stickers I'm workin on this set and have a few dups. If any one has one of these cards in their type collection, would they be interrested in trading. ================= Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 17:39:33 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Thanks and other stuff Hi gang, A few packages have arrived recently that I've been a little slow getting around in acknowledging. First is a letter from Mark Zentkovich which he warned me about. It had some big hits to my secret UV project. Over the weekend, I decided to start another nine set project since these cards put me close to finishing off the first one. THANKS MARK!! Dan Angland sent along an envelope with some 1966 Topps cards. A recent e-mail I sent out mentioned that I had won a lot of 1962's and 1966's on eBay and I was starting the woodies for a second time. I've already finished the 66 set twice, so these will just have to be added to my starter lot... anyone looking for a decent 1966 starter set? THANKS DAN!! Another envelope also arrived from Mac Wubben that helped defray the cost of a large T205 lot I just won on eBay. THANKS MAC!! Any football prognosticators out there? I've been running a pool with some friends for about ten or fifteen years and a couple have recently decided to drop out. The second half of the season starts this weekend. The cost breaks down to $5/week for the last nine weeks of the season if you're interested. Please e-mail me off list for more details. Next year (if there's enough interest), I was thinking about running one within the group, only we'd use some old tipton cards as entry fees/prizes. I'm on vacation this week, but the job will be a little different when I return. I was officially informed that I'd be back in the grocery dept. when vacation is over. The new hire is a full time dairy clerk, who works during the day - thus making my night dairy clerk job somewhat obsolete. So now they can "keep an eye on him" as he struggles to run the department by himself - good lu ck to him on that. I'll be trading in my yellow dairy labels for white ones and focus on cold cereal and pet food instead of yogurt and cheese. Easier work and less responsibility for the same pay - I'll take it. Anyway, if you've got some 1962's burning a hole in your dupes box, I've finally posted my list on my home page (http://members.aol.com/cardclctor/index.html). I've also listed out the cards I need for my other 9-set UV project (think Ryne Sandberg RC's ;-)) Thanks for looking. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 02:49:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Card Anticipation I have been looking forward to the Toronto show for a few weeks now. The show is usually excellent, plus I get a chance to visit with my brother in law and sister. The fact that this is the first time I am taking 2 business days off in a row since I got sick in April all added to the anticipation. Then I started getting e-mails from others planning on going. Chief among them is Gord Ellis. I believe he has contacted a number of OBCers. He told me he has a number of cards on my wantlists, which s many know is impressive to begin with. I am down to 32 OPC BB to complete my 1965-1980 run. Gord has 16 of the 32, including my last 1972. I also received an E-mail from Rob (not sure of last name) who is flying in for the show and he has 2 more 1968 OPC BB for me, plus some upgrades. So I will be down to 14 and the show has not even started yet. 3 sets are now down to 1 card. Unfortunately 1 is 1967 OPC Stargell which is the same card Steve Rittenberg needs to complete his set. Another is the Brett rookie. The 3rd though, is the 1974 OPC BB #508 Expos team card. 1974 is considered a tough year in OPC and the Expos are popular in a Canadian issued set, but still, it is an awfully strange card to finish a set. Meanwhile, Shawn Atkins started the week off by finishing my Helmar set and then Tom Sadlowski found me on the web with a question about Kellogg's College Basketball Postercards. I gave him the information I had and he sent me Isiah Thomas to complete that set. As I was getting so excited about the potential hits, I found 2 cards I had picked up and forgot to check off my Toronto shopping list. The 61 targetted cards are down to 59, then 18 OPC BB plus 7 Parkhurst Hockey and my Toronto shopping list will be down to 34 more to complete 15 more sets. Not sure how many I will find or buy as of course some are getting pricey, but it has me more excited about cards than in a long time. Hopefully a few dealers that I tend to do a lot of business with will have some stuff for me. I would like to expand my prewar Canadian issues, Parkhurst hockey & CFL, Post Canadian, hockey matchbooks and a number of other issues. So it is not like I won't have stuff to shop for. Also I tend to find 1952 Topps high numbers with 1 dealer there. I am getting close to 1/2 the 52 highs and wouldn't mind picking up a few more. If I am successful at this show, the number of sets I am collecting will shrink so much, I may lose my title as the person working on more sets than anyone else. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 10:44:50 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Wilmington show report Hi all, I probably wouldn't have typed this up, but I remembered a card I got from Bob Donaldson that I hadn't thanked in my last message. Bob met up with me at the show and handed over a Red Man Hank Bauer, which turned out to have the same expiration date as the one inmy set, but proved to be a nice upgrade. THANKS BOB!! I also met up with Spike, Sean McGowan and there was even a Jim Hatch sighting. I put a big dent in my 64 Topps and Fleer FB sets at Greg Fisher's table. That was where I spent most of my money. I also wandered around scooping up some decent deals at other tables. I upgraded my $40 eBay Gale Sayers RC for $25. Found a couple tipton Nolan Ryans ('71 for $7 and a '75 for $3). Other cheapies include a '60 Fleer Ruth, and a '68 Tigers team card. There was one other notable table with piles of cards stacked on it. One pile had some half decent looking '62's for .75 each, so I picked up the whole pile and another pile had '67's at $2 each. I bought three: Jim Hunter, Fergie Jenkins and a Shaw/Sutherland RC (which was the only high number and ironically the last one I got to complete my second set). I also netted a $2 Don Maynard from the '66 T FB set, which (like all of the above cards) I don't really need, but can use for trade bait/dealer scum purposes. I gotta sign off now - it's time to press my face up against the window and wait for the mailman, who might bring my (29 ct.) T205 lot today. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 20:22:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Geno" Subject: Re: Wilmington show report Ken -- If I was waiting for a lot of 29 T205s, I think I'd take the day off from work and just sit on the Post Office steps... Take Care, Geno --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@... wrote: > Hi all, > I probably wouldn't have typed this up, but I remembered a card I got from > Bob Donaldson that I hadn't thanked in my last message. Bob met up with me at > the show and handed over a Red Man Hank Bauer, which turned out to have the > same expiration date as the one inmy set, but proved to be a nice > THANKS BOB!! > I also met up with Spike, Sean McGowan and there was even a Jim > sighting. I put a big dent in my 64 Topps and Fleer FB sets at Greg Fisher's > table. That was where I spent most of my money. I also wandered around scooping up > some decent deals at other tables. I upgraded my $40 eBay Gale Sayers RC for > $25. Found a couple tipton Nolan Ryans ('71 for $7 and a '75 for $3). Other > cheapies include a '60 Fleer Ruth, and a '68 Tigers team card. There was one > other notable table with piles of cards stacked on it. One pile had some half > decent looking '62's for .75 each, so I picked up the whole pile and another > pile had '67's at $2 each. I bought three: Jim Hunter, Fergie Jenkins and a > Shaw/Sutherland RC (which was the only high number and ironically the last one I > got to complete my second set). I also netted a $2 Don Maynard from the '66 T FB > set, which (like all of the above cards) I don't really need, but can use > for trade bait/dealer scum purposes. > I gotta sign off now - it's time to press my face up against the window > and wait for the mailman, who might bring my (29 ct.) T205 lot today. TAYL, > Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:23:59 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: double foot sympathies first, the tigers tank in the series. now, they actually spend money and give up three pitching prospects for one of the most disagreeable, worst team players in the history of baseball, gary sheffield. hope you enjoyed '06! ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 02:05:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Hostess and Twinkies Availables Hey Gang, I have a few dupes from some of the Hostess and Twinkies sets. Feel free to claim at will. Some are actually in decent condition and cut pretty well. Others are true OBC collectibles. If you can, please include your name and address. 1979 Hostess: 13 1978 Hostess: 94 95 1977 Hostess: 18 20 31 39 44 88 92 135 1976 Hostess: 7 1976 Twinkie: 41 45 1975 Hostess: 6 73 1975 Twinkie: 2 10 11 14 15 23 29 33 46 52 64 73 ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 05:16:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Friday Toronto report After astrange experience at the border I was able to make it to the show about 20 minutes earlier than my best hopes at 1:40. the show opens at 1:00, but I had planned to arrive at 2:00, because there is usually a long line to get in when they first open, especially on opening day. The line was gone by the time I got there. Strange pricing. $12 per day or $25 for the weekend pass. They also sell autographs and had a special for Harry Howell of $20 or 1 free with the purchase of a weekend pass. Some people need help with their math skills as they paid $12 admission plus $20 for Howell instead of paying $25 for the weekend and getting Howell free. I broke down and paid $7 for a nice 8 x 10 of Howell which I eventually got I had arranged to meet Gord Ellis (he has my reference if he contacts you to swap) at 2:00. I thought I had been the last person in North America to get a cell phone, but Gord still does not have one. I had to wait until 2:00 and meet him at our designated spot to swap. The 20 minutes did not go to waste, as I went to Cutthroat Larry's table. Larry is the guy that I bought the stack of 52 Topps BB from at the National that we had the sweepstakes for the high number McDougald at the OBC swap in 2005. This time I bought a stack of 120+ Exhibit cards, iincluding some 1962 & 1963 Stat Backs, and Salutations. Some big names like Williams also. Since I was on a roll, I also bought from Larry a starter group of 1948 Kelloggs Pep (need to get a complete checklist for these, as I only the list of sport cards in the set) and a big stack of Hostess Panels (Brock I hope you need some still). Hauled this all out to the car and went in for the swap with Gord. Gord forgot a number of things, including his "valuation" sheet, plus the big name Parkhurst Hockey I needed (big disappointment for me) and then was missing a few cards he told me he had. Among these were the 1972 OPC BB Steve Renko, which would have completed my set, 1967 OPC BB #1, which would have cut that set to 1 and a 1953-54 Parkhurst hockey, which would have completed that set. Without the big name Parkies, I actually had more value for him. he had brought a bunch of other stuff, including hits for my buddy Rocky's 1962 Topps BB set. I took these also, which included the Pepitone Rookie, that I guess mark Talbot will end up with. First I have to check my set, as this could upgrade my ex-mt one. Spent 2 1/2 hours with Gord. Then back to the show. I did not get too much other stuff, other than a lucky 7 Tiptonesque Canadian issue 1936 Goudey Wide Pens of the Montreal and Toronto players; other Tipton pick-ups included an Ice King Hockey for $10 and 3 1952 Topps BB including Bob Lemon and a high number for $13. I think most people could see the picture on the high number if they looked hard. I did "complete" 1 set. 1973-74 Quaker Oats Hockey panels. I had the last panel of 5 individually, but now I have the panels. Tomorrow I should bump into Carlos at the show. Good start, but I have already seen most of the show. Got 16 of 32 OPC BB and have a swap lined up to get 2 more. The last 14 I have not been able to find yet, and 1/2 are realtively common. Mike Rich ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:44:00 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: who needs "emmmm"....76/77 Topps basketball I just got a bunch of 76/77 Topps basketball....I took out what I needed and have some nice "stuff" LMK who you are and I will check your lists....or send me your wants...... Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:52:49 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Trader recomendation Eric Papacek I just completed a big trade with Eric Papacek.....Which netted me a absolutely beautiful cards from 70'.....all high numbers including a Ryan, and Robinson..... So give him a email.....he has nice stuff....he sent first......responded quickly to my emails...he is legit....perfect for our group..... papacek@wowway.com He has other things also......... Respectfully submitted Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 10:21:43 EST To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: sun times show show is next week in rosemont, friday to sunday. anyone interested in meeting for lunch, we usually get a group together at kevin savage's table around noon. let me know if you will be there, want to get stuff ready. see you all next week. what time is the osu victory game? ================= To: , Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 09:57:46 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sun times show I will be there and will plan on meeting at Kevin Savage's table at noon. I believe teh OSU game is at 2 or 230, but there has been talk about movingit to prime time. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 9:21 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sun times show show is next week in rosemont, friday to sunday. anyone interested in meeting for lunch, we usually get a group together at kevin savage's table around noon. let me know if you will be there, want to get stuff ready. see you all next week. what time is the osu victory game? ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 17:18:14 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] double foot sympathies To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:23:59 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] double foot sympathies first, the tigers tank in the series. now, they actually spend money and give up three pitching prospects for one of the most disagreeable, worst team players in the history of baseball, gary sheffield. hope you enjoyed '06! ================= Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:51:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: I can't believe I did this! Day 2 of the Toronto show had me starting off trying to figure out where I had left off yesterday. Found a dealer that had albms full of all sorts of 1948-1980 BB, FB & hockey. He also has some showcases. Found a tough World Wide Gum hockey card reasonably priced. Found the last 3 1980-81 Topp shockey posters for $1 each to complete a set. Looked at the FB and found nothing except for a starter lot of 1980 Stop N Go FB, that Linda knows about. A 1940 Playball high number and a poor 1948 Leaf Kiner had me on a roll. Onot the 49 Bowmans where I picked up SNIDER, 1 of the keys to the set. A Hodges, Allie Reynolds and a high number to boot. In the 1950 Bowmans, I picked up Klu and Hodges. That set is down to 20, although the Williams and Snider pose a problem. Then I found a table with some OPC BB in various grades, from Tipton to pretty nice. Spent Mark Talbots money on some stars and also found another 1962 Pepitone rookie, so my buddy Rocky actually can get one. At this point I stopped by Cutthroat Larry again and he has the deal for me. Yesterday he had a stack of 6-8 1968 Topps BB Posters with a sticker price of $175 for the lot, including Mantle, Rose, Mays, etc. He wanted $100 for the Mantle or $100 for the stack (you have to know Larry to understand this logic). Well someone bought the Mantle for the $100. So Larry is willing to throw in the rest for free if I would buy 2 cards from him. So I did. 1952 Topps BB #311 & 407. More money than I have ever spent at an entire show I spent on 2 cards. The Mathews is actually pretty nice, the Mantle, well, I have it. All there, only 1 big crease, slightly rounded corners, no paper loss and no writing. After muttering, "what have I done now!" to myself numerous times it was back to the fray. Picked up 5 1948 Leaf FB high numbers (almost as bad as 52 Topps or 48 Leaf BB shortprints), including a key card in Chuck Bednarik. At this point all sanity left me and I ended up picking up a Tiptonesque 1952 high number Hoyt Wilhelm, with a pair of 1934 Canadian Goudeys. Including #1 Hornsby, which after Ruth & Gehrig is the other key to the set. Saw the 75 Brett OPC rookie which would complete the set, but did not get it, even at less than 30% of book. Settled for my 1 complete set of the day. Maybe tomorrow. Anyone have some money I can borrow??? Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:54:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Delia back in action, sort of I can't believe it's been a full week, even slightly more than a full week since Mom went into the hospital with endimitrial cancer (I probably misspelled that). Surgery went well, it was laproscopic (through little holes instead of a full incision) and they think the hysterectomy removed all traces of cancer, but there have been a couple of non-threatening complications like bleeding from incision, etc. I've been completely offline since then, and will try to get caught up on past business. No "cheer-up" cards are necessary, we're very optimistic about the outcome, just have been busy as all hell for the past week to 10 days. Line of the day, a few hours before the operation: Mom's getting started on antibiotics, and the RN asks Dad, Dave, and me if any of the men are going to feel squeamish or faint. I indignantly replied "Ma'am, I am a fraternity brother of Phi Kappa Sigma. We do not 'faint'. We pass out." ================= To: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:45:15 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Where are they now? OBCers -- For you old-timers, what ever happened to Jim Montgomery? For some reason, he popped into my head today while looking through some cards. Getting a package from Jim was like winning the lottery! Wasn't he looking to buy a minor league team at one point? Take Care, ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 12:23:40 -0500 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where are they now? Geno - That's really strange, because I was just thinking about him myself.Jim was still here for the first year or two when I joined, and a Montgomery package was truly something to behold. Seems to me he started me off on my Indians tobacco card collection, not that I've ever advanced that far. ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Where are they now? OBCers -- For you old-timers, what ever happened to Jim Montgomery? For some reason, he popped into my head today while looking through some cards. Getting a package from Jim was like winning the lottery! Wasn't he looking to buy a minor league team at one point? Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:49:10 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where are they now? Last I heard, he was semi-retired and fishing in Florida. But that was many years ago. I remember trading Jim the only '49 Bowman PCL I ever owned that I won in a mail auction. I sent him the card and he sent me back a Victory Tobacco Phillie. The only Victory tobacco Phillie I have ever seen much less owned. Unreal. I miss Jim (among others). ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 08:21:41 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Rich-es Did I read that right? Mike Rich found a 52 Topps #311 and 407?!! Wow-guess that's a record for bookending those high numbers at a single show, at least for OBC! Congrats Mike (but do you have a Catfish Metkovich?) ================= To: Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:10:58 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: PO'ed at the P.O. Check out the attached image. I was trying to hit Ken Morganti's 1962 Topps list while it was still hittable. Ken's lists are usually out of my league. There are around half a dozen cards in the envelope - certainly nothing I have never received such a return from the P.O. - am I the only one, or does it happen routinely to the rest of you? I usually mail in puffy's and put the normal 39 cent stamp on them when they are under 1 ounce. Sometimes I just stick them in a plastic sleeve and mail them as I did this one. But I never have been asked to pay this surcharge before. I receive junk mail all the time that is bulkier than this envelope. They don't even pay first-class postage prices, much less a surcharge. I just don't get it. Tomorrow I'm going down to the local post office and rant andrave. I know I'll lose the argument because, like Ma Bell, they don't care -- they don't have to. But I'll feel a little bit better. Then, I'll rip the label off of Ken's address and stick it back in the mail drop. I'm giving 10 to 1 that the envelope goes all the way this time without a hitch. OK, I'm through holding my breath and stomping my feet. Sorry about the rant. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 16:25:55 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Van Lingle Mungo! With the passing of Johnny Sain, Baseball Analysts put up a nice article about both he and the song he shares with OBC favorite Mungo. http://www.baseballanalysts.com/ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ================= To: "Dave Fallen" , Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:05:12 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PO'ed at the P.O. From: "Dave Fallen" From: "Dave Fallen" To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] PO'ed at the P.O. Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 00:38:17 +0000 Content-Disposition: attachment; ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:57:09 -0500 To: Dave Fallen From: Don Rice Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PO'ed at the P.O. Dave-
"Technically" the post office is correct, in that "that's the rule". Virtually anything that changes a basic one ounce letter may be subject to that annoying 13-cent surcharge. That said, most envelopes like your don't get returned unless there's a bar of steel or something similarly inflexible inside. It sounds like the only inflexible thing you encountered was an anal postal worker! What surprises me is when you say you routinely mail puffies with just a 39 cent stamp. Those will ALWAYS be returned to me... the first ounce for puffies is always 52 cents, then 63 cents, 87 cents, etc (i.e  the basic 39 cents plus 24 cents for each additional ounce).
Stay calm at the P.O. tomorrow. they may be armed!  ;-) Don
Dave Fallen wrote:
Check out the attached image.  I was trying to hit Ken Morganti's 1962 Topps list while it was still hittable.  Ken's lists are usually out of my league.  There are around half a dozen cards in the envelope - certainly nothing unusual.
I have never received such a return from the P.O. - am I the only one, or does it happen routinely to the rest of you?  I usually mail in puffy's and put the normal 39 cent stamp on them when they are under 1 ounce.  Sometimes I just stick them in a plastic sleeve and mail them as I did this one.  But I never have been asked to pay this surcharge before.
I receive junk mail all the time that is bulkier than this envelope.  They don't even pay first-class postage prices, much less a surcharge.  I just don't get it.  Tomorrow I'm going down to the local post office and rant and rave.  I know I'll lose the argument because, like Ma Bell, they don't care -- they don't have to.  But I'll feel a little bit better.  Then, I'll rip the label off of Ken's address and stick it back in the mail drop.  I'm giving 10 to 1 that the envelope goes all the way this time without a hitch.
OK, I'm through holding my breath and stomping my feet.  Sorry about the rant.
-Dave Fallen


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Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 04:30:13 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "larrygersh" 
Subject: Re: PO'ed at the P.O.

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fallen"
 wrote:
Unfortunately I also was hit with the "to hard to handle" surcharge
a couple of weeks ago on a package I had sent out to Jeff Delott.
It was an irregular sized puffy if my memory serves me correctly.
I was told the PO is attempting to mechanize the entire mail
processing & sorting operations. If they have to physically handle
the mail there will be a surcharge. So much for the "neither rain
nor sleet or snow" motto if an irregular piece of mail screws up
the works.

> Check out the attached image.  I was trying to hit Ken Morganti's
1962 Topps list while it was still hittable.  Ken's lists are usually
out of my league.  There are around half a dozen cards in the
envelope - certainly nothing unusual.
> I have never received such a return from the P.O. - am I the only
one, or does it happen routinely to the rest of you?  I usually mail
in puffy's and put the normal 39 cent stamp on them when they are
under 1 ounce.  Sometimes I just stick them in a plastic sleeve and
mail them as I did this one.  But I never have been asked to pay this
surcharge before.
> I receive junk mail all the time that is bulkier than this
envelope.  They don't even pay first-class postage prices, much less
a surcharge.  I just don't get it.  Tomorrow I'm going down to the
local post office and rant and rave.  I know I'll lose the argument
because, like Ma Bell, they don't care -- they don't have to.  But
I'll feel a little bit better.  Then, I'll rip the label off of Ken's
address and stick it back in the mail drop.  I'm giving 10 to 1 that
the envelope goes all the way this time without a hitch.
> OK, I'm through holding my breath and stomping my feet.  Sorry
about the rant.
> -Dave Fallen

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 01:53:15 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Lot of 100+ 1952 topps on ebay

There is a lot of 100+ 1952 topps on ebay.The lot includes tough lo
numbers like Mays, Pafco and Billy Martin and 3 hi #'s-

ebay # 250048239060

This seller is a conservative grader too.I won a lot of 59 topps from
him he described as "most having  corner wear and light creases" and
very few had creases.Some of the cards were top grade ex-mint beauties
in the lot i won from this seller.

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Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:35:46 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Matthew 
Subject: 1957 Topps set put to bed

Hi all,

The final card (#338 Bunning) arrived today, ending the 5+ year quest. Wanted
to say a special thanks to all the OBCers who helped:

John C, Greg C, Kent G, Linda F, Rick S, Brad C, Al C, Randy W, Bob F, Peter
M, Mark R, Doug D, Bob R, Ray L, James M, Mark R, Jim C, Bill G, JSG

Before I joined, you can be sure I didn't think a 1957 set was achievable!

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Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 08:26:41 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: DaPatriot1@aol.com
Subject: MP&CO help

I have a few of the MP & CO cards, my question  is how do i distingquish
if they are the 1943 or 1949?
I looked them up in the SCD and they just have names neither of the sets
have #s on them??
any help would be great
thank you

Rob "The Fireman" Gioia

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Date: 16 Nov 2006 14:04:58 -0000
To: DaPatriot1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MP&CO help

The 49's are numbered at the top, starting with 100 while the 43's are
unnumbered. However, there are several 49's that are unnumbered, including
Jimmie Foxx.  The 43 original printing is decidedly different from the other
printings in that the colors are much deeper and richer and the images are
less fuzzy.  Later 43 printings are all over the place with poor focus, lots
of ghost images and washed out color.  The backs are another story.  There
are white backs and gray backs, some with and without the MP&CO logo at the
bottom.  Some player names change from printing to printing.  The 49's are
much more consistent.

------------- Original message follows -------------

I have a few of the MP & CO cards, my question  is how do i distingquish
if they are the 1943 or 1949?
I looked them up in the SCD and they just have names neither of the sets
have #s on them??
any help would be great
thank you

Rob "The Fireman" Gioia

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Date: 16 Nov 2006 14:48:37 -0000
To: "obcjohn@knology.net" , DaPatriot1@aol.com,
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MP&CO help

Finally found my MP&CO binder.  The 49 set is numbered 100 through 124 with
Foxx, Henrich, and Kozar unnumbered.  Also the 49's have no MP&CO logo at
the bottom on the back. The 43's are mixed with some having logos and others

------------- Original message follows -------------

The 49's are numbered at the top, starting with 100 while the 43's are
unnumbered. However, there are several 49's that are unnumbered, including
Jimmie Foxx.  The 43 original printing is decidedly different from the other
printings in that the colors are much deeper and richer and the images are
less fuzzy.  Later 43 printings are all over the place with poor focus, lots
of ghost images and washed out color.  The backs are another story.  There
are white backs and gray backs, some with and without the MP&CO logo at the
bottom.  Some player names change from printing to printing.  The 49's are
much more consistent.

------------- Original message follows -------------

I have a few of the MP & CO cards, my question  is how do i distingquish
if they are the 1943 or 1949?
I looked them up in the SCD and they just have names neither of the sets
have #s on them??
any help would be great
thank you

Rob "The Fireman" Gioia

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 18:52:22 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 
Subject: T200 (Fatima) Cincinnati card for trade

Not is the best shape...the upper right corner is off (from cracking), but
could be restored or taped back depending on the level of improvement you
deem necessary.  Looking for another type card of similar condition, but
will always consider hits to the list.

Let me know if you're interested.

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Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:30:47 -0500
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Subject: Car buying help needed
Content-Disposition: inline

Most of you have not seen me in a lonnnnnnnng time because my car is slowly
dying and I don't trust it to go more than 30-40 miles from my house.   Its
a 1997 Dodge Neon with 117k miles on.

I want to buy another car but I'm dragging my feet.  I suffer from sticker
shock -- I can stomach paying $10,000 for a car but not $15,000.   I've been
looking at 2002-2004 Toyota Corollas and Honda Civics for about $10,000 but
the ones I've seen either have too many miles or have been in a wreck.   A
friend suggested that I get a new car, like a Ford Focus or Hyundai or a
Toyota Scion, for just a few thousand more.  That makes sense, if I could
find one.  I vacillate between getting a Corolla or Civic on the one hand
and getting a new car on the other hand.  Eventually, I throw up my hands
and avoid the issue entirely.

So here's what I need....
1a. Does anyone in OBC sell cars?  1b. Does anyone have a relative or very
close friend that sells cars?  Its hard to trust car dealers, including a
guy I know who used to work for the House of Crap.

2. Has anyone seen an article about "total cost of ownership" for cars?  If
I could see that a new Corolla should last 10 years and I'll pay $15,000 and
xxx in repairs over the life of the car, then I can balance that against a
2002 Corolla that costs $10,000 and will last for 6 years and will need yyy
in repairs.

3. Do people have other ideas that I have not considered?   Leasing makes no
sense because I hate car payments.  I figured out yesterday that I can
afford a nice car but perhaps I don't believe I deserve one.  If that
doesn't make sense to you, you are lucky.  If it does make sense, I hope you
don't get in the same emotional abyss.

I appreciate this forum for sharing my anxieties and I look forward to
hearing from you.

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 10:43:48 EST
To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: At least I'm no turkey

...but I'm still concerned about next Thursday.

Hi all,
Busy time at work this week, so not a lot of free time to type. I guess
you can all give thanks for that ;-) Anyway, a quick note of thanks to Chuck
Paris for a SWP (single woodie pleasure) featuring Joe Adcock. THANKS CHUCK!!
Further proof that eBay is stupid - last week I bid on four cards from the
same seller. All were from the tough 1963 Fleer FB set. Two of the cards were
commons and two were HOF'ers. I got outbid on both of the commons, which
ended up selling for more than $7 each. I put a higher maximum on the Blanda and
Mix, but ended up winning them both for $7 TOTAL. I'm certainly not complaining
about that, except that I wish it would happen more often.
Does anyone else get the Sotheby's catalog? For some reason I ended up on
their mailing list for their "Important Sports Memorabilia and Cards"
auctions. Because of this, I get a nearly 250 page full color catalog with 780 lots
featuring everything from N142 cabinets (1894) to 1992 Score autographed cards.
There's also a bunch of memorabilia from Babe Ruth signed baseballs to the
Rams Superbowl trophy. If I want, I can bid on a second 1948-49 Leaf set that's
all slabbed for just $15,000. I opted not to place a bid on that lot, but I did
manage to put in about $10k worth of bids on over 20 lots. I don't expect to
win any of them though - I'm already at or near my max on just about every lot
and there's still two weeks of "initial bidding", followed by an "extended
bidding" period and finally a "closing bidding" period using the 30 minute rule.
Of course, if I do win all those lots, I'll have the best dupes box in the
country :-D
I recently got another Red Man lot from eBay, so I finally broke down and
typed up the entire list of variations that I need for all four sets and
updated my web page. I'm collecting them without the tabs, which keeps the list at
a manageable 400 cards or so instead of the 800+ that Mike Rich will have if
he ever completes the Super Duper Master set he's working on. I'm over 3/4's of
the way there and looking to get a lot closer. If anyone else is working on
these and doesn't care about the silliness regarding expiration dates, I've got
over 100 dupes to trade, mostly from 1952 and 1955. There's a bunch of stars
in the mix too, including Williams, Musial, Mays and Snider to name a few.
Please send help! Well, that's all for now. TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 03:32:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Burger King question

Can someone tell me which years Burger King cards were produced, and
for which teams?  I recently got some 1978 Yankees from Erik Greenwood,
and just got a 1979 Phillie from Geno Wagner and wondered how many
other years/teams there were.
Thanks for any help.

=================

To: "Mac Wubben" 
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 05:24:05 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: Sponsoring Rick Johnson for OBC membership

Mac --

It seems like Rick is getting some good feedback and he has put his
application in, so he just needs to hang on while the new member process
works through the steps.

As far as the New Member process is concerned, I know it is a bit
frustrating for guys who are waiting.  It takes a long time and they may
feel that they have been forgotten.  Some of that has to do with the fact
that we only vote on them once a month and they just miss the date.  Anyway,
th AC happens to be addressing the problem right now, so hopefully we can
improve it.

As far a Rick and any others are concerned, please tell them to be patient
and continue to trade with the guys!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mac Wubben" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: Sponsoring Rick Johnson for OBC membership

> Hello advisory committee,
> I would like to formally sponsor Rick Johnson for OBC membership (at his
> request).  I have already explained the ideas behind OBC, he seems to
> really appreciate our approach.  Right now he is actively seeking trades
> with other OBC members, so he can get more references.
> Let me know what the next steps are.
> Thanks,
> Mac Wubben
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now.
> http://ideas.live.com

=================

To: ,
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 08:28:28 -0500
From: "Matthew Heilenman" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Burger King question

Hi Aaron, The Yankees had BK sets from 1977-1980 , teh Phillies had sets in1979
and 1980, and the Tigers , Astros , and Rangers had set in 1978. There
was also a 1980 BK Pinch , Hit and Run set that was made up of mostly AllStars.

----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:32 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Burger King question

Can someone tell me which years Burger King cards were produced, and
for which teams? I recently got some 1978 Yankees from Erik Greenwood,
and just got a 1979 Phillie from Geno Wagner and wondered how many
other years/teams there were.
Thanks for any help.

=================

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 18:22:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Massimo" 
Subject: 1973-1978 Baseball Needs

I would like to concentrate on my Pre-1973 needs, so I am making a
push to complete my needs from 1973 to 1978.  Below is a list of what
I need, any help would be greatly appreciated.

1973 Topps: 588 (CL), 615 (Schmidt/Cey)

Upgrades to EX or Better: 1 (Ruth/Aaron Mays), 50 (Clemente), 119
(Bowa), 175 (Frank Robinson), 184 (Koosman), 220 (Ryan), 240
(Murcer), 275 (Perez), 296 (Anderson), 314 (Swoboda), 400 (Perry),
418 (Grich), 453 (CL), 471 (Cobb), 474 (Ruth), 483 (Maxvill), 606
(Matthews RC), 660 (Scherman)

1974 Topps Upgrades to EX or better: 6 (Aaron 70-73), 38 (Kessinger),
50 (Carew), 110 (B.Williams), 125 (Colbert), 202 (Jackson/Stargell
LL), 206 (J.Palmer/T.Seaver LL), 273 (CL), 300 (Rose), 340 (Munson),
598 (Griffey RC)

Washington Variations: 32 (Grubb), 53 (Kendall), 102 (Grief), 148
(Hilton), 173 (Jones), 197 (Romo), 250 (McCovey), 309 (Roberts), 364
(Gaston), 387 (Morales), 599 (Freisleben)

1975 Topps: Upgrades to EX or better: 5 (Ryan RB), 20 (Munson), 126
(CL), 140 (Garvey), 160 (Nettles), 201 (Howard/S.Koufax MVP), 223
(Yount RC), 280 (Yazstremski), 300 (Reggie Jackson), 370 (Seaver),
500 (Ryan), 517 (CL), 620 (Carter RC), 638 (Cubs TC), 647 (C.
Washington), 660 (Aaron)

1976 Topps Upgrades to EX or better: 5 (Seaver RB), 50 (Lynn), 73
(Orioles TC), 98 (Eckersley RC), 100 (Hunter), 104 (Reds TC), 128
(Griffey), 216 (Expos TC), 240 (Rose), 262 (CL), 330 (Ryan), 347 (Ted
Williams), 365 (Fisk), 384 (Phillies TC), 420 (Morgan), 421 (A's),
500 (Reggie Jackson), 550 (Aaron), 650 (Munson)

1977 Topps Upgrades to EX or better: 10 (Reggie Jackson), 34 (Angels
TC), 113 (Blue Jays TC), 234 (Ryan RB), 473 (Dawson RC), 476 (Murphy
RC), 562 (CL), 580 (Brett), 640 (Fisk)

1978 Topps Upgrades to EX or better: 708 (Murphy/Parrish RC

=================

Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 15:40:27 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: Burger King, etc

OK, I show the following 3rd party sets produced by Topps in the  70's:

1977 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO NEW YORK YANKEES   1978
TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO NEW YORK YANKEES   1978 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD
PARTY PROMO HOUSTON ASTROS   1978 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO TEXAS
RANGERS   1978 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO DETROIT TIGERS   1978 TOPPS ZEST
SOAP 3RD PARTY INSERT SPANISH BACK (5 CARDS)   1979 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY
PROMO NEW YORK YANKEES   1979 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO PHILADELPHIA
PHILLIES   1980 TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES   1980
TOPPS BURGER KING 3RD PARTY PROMO PITCH HIT & RUN   1980 TOPPS PEPSI COLA ALL
STARS 3RD PARTY PROMO PROTOTYPE

The last one is very rare and was not released to the public.  If I am
missing any, please let me know as I am maintining a new database now of all the
Baseball Cards Topps issued through 1980.  In fact, if anyone wants a copy,
I'll be happy to send it along.

=================

To: "vct" ,
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2006 16:29:38 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: Need 65 emboss & 69 decals

Any help on thes:
1965 embossed #42 Vada Pinson text and number on back is gray

1969 deckle

5B Jim Fregosi signature on front stops at right border

7A Luis Tiant text on back is gray True

7C Luis Tiant text on back is blue, errant ink run at end of sig on front

Anthony arbeeny

=================

To: "obc" 
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 05:38:10 -0600
From: "ken goetsch" 
Subject: Sun Times Card show report

Actually got there Saturday exactly at the same time as Gay Mandell......helooks
surprisingly good........after enduring the seasons his CUBS had this
year.....the body has amazing resiliency........[Just kidding, Gary]......
Always a pleasure to see you.
I was really disappointed in this years show.   I would guess less than half
the dealers there.   I found dealers surprisingly pompous....and unwilling
the move on prices.
I wanted the knock off a couple from the 64' coins set......found an Aaron regular
coin for 29.00....and I asked the dealer, if his coins had any movement
on prices...he said and I quote..." he is 1 of the keys in the set, and
if his reg. card is 200.00 then his coin is sure worth 29.00 ....I responded
with since when is a tarnished coin worth 29.00.....and when did his card
jump to 200.00 status???
Move forward to the next table, with coins......[few and far between]......yes.....I
found another Aaron......great......oops....not priced......I waited
till the dealer to finish with a guy...."what are you asking the for the
Aaron".........he looks at me with a straight face and said "49.00"......I
could not take it anymore....I responded are you kidding??????.....he said
does it look like I am kidding????........I just put the book of coins down
and stated, I thought he was too high priced, and moved on....
I was really frustrated.........But I was able to finish my 69' football 4 in
1's and knocked off my 68' football stand-ups.....and found 3 short prints
from 63' football, and that was it.
Maybe it was just my overall disappointment in the show, that put me in a bad

Maybe I need to sharpen my negotiating skills....Maybe you guys can help me...What
do you do when this happens????

Now for the good "stuff"...........I am heading to the Packer/Patriot game today........2
hall of fame Qb's on the Lambeau field turf today......Just great......
I am taking my 22 year old son......He is such  like me when I was his age........Thursday
night he went to the Marquette basketball game.....yesterday
he went to the Wis. Badger game...[he has season tickets, along with his girl
friend].....then last night he stops home to say....[don't hold supper]...On
my way to the Bucks game in Milwaukee......now today the Packer game......SUCH
A LIFE....That's on top of playing in 2 different basketball leagues.....and
working.....and a girl friend....ahhhhhh to be 22 again......

If you have made it this long on my ramble.........Tonight......on ABC TV......on
EXTREME HOME MAKEOVER........the building supply company I work for is
"somewhat featured on the show.....We, Zuern Lumber, supplied many people
and all the framing lumber and all the finish trim for the house featured.....I
volunteered,,,,,,but got "stuck" on the traffic control, making surecars
were parked correctly......It was filmed in Sept......just about an hour
from our yard....Just to be chosen for the is an honor, and something our
company was proud to do......
From what I hear the all the guys in the show, are just great, gave autos',and
talked to people, and generally do work, very long hours.......this project
endured 2 huge rains we had here in Wis........If you have time checkit
out tonight...........

Thanks for making it to the end.....
GO PACKKKKKKKKKKK.

Ken Goetsch-OBC

=================

To: "obc" 
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 06:25:39 -0600
From: "ken goetsch" 
Subject: More Ramblings....... card show

Forgot to mention the guy that wanted 2.00-4.00 for "commons for the 71' football
game cards.........Just unreallllll..
Ken G.

=================

Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:50:46 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan" 
Subject: Checklist and values needed

I picked up a stack of 1948 Kelloggs Pep last week in Toronto.  I have
a checklist with values for the 20 sports cards, but I also got a sheet
of movie stars.  Need a checklist and values, as I have someone who
wants to swap me for them.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 02:40:47 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: Show wrap up

I had a good time this weekend meeting up with some OBCers and
tracking down some cards for my collection.  I was able to run into
Shawn Adkins, Gary Mandell, and George Vrechek.  It is always a
pleasure to see these guys and talk a little bit about the hobby.
George proudly showed off some of his 19th century tobacco purchases.

I was able to track down a good number of cards to cross off my
lists.  I put the 71 set to rest starting with some big names
purchased Friday, including Mays, Aaron, and Clemente.  Saturday
morning, I completed the set with a Sparky Anderson card.  At the same
table, I picked up a 74 Winfield rookie, completing that set as well.
Other highlights for myself were 58 all-star cards of Williams and
Mantle, a pair of 60 mega stars in Stan the Man and The Mick, a 72
Clemente, and a 68 Clemente.  Overall, despite there not being a large
amount of vintage dealers, I felt that I was able to find some good
cards for good prices.

=================

To: "Mac Wubben" ,
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2006 23:03:25 -0700
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Traveling at the Speed of OBC     - - -      Re: Sponsoring Rick Johnson for OBC membership

As still quite the newbie, my application and wait process is still very fresh
in my mind, and I have to say, I not only didn't mind, but I rather "enjoyed"
waiting as long as I did for acceptance into the group.  It somehow makes
a person a little more humble.  It allows for more time to surf the web
site and other members want lists, just to be sure that joining is what I
wanted to do, and, for me anyway, it certainly made me more appreciative of
what I might be accepted into.

My gawd, I just HATE when I get Email from someone in one of those 'other' groups,
who writes an all-exciting note, telling me everything about the fabulous
cards they found for me, only to learn, when I "finally" get back tothem
with their return fire, a "whole" week later, that they've already traded
half "my" list of cards, to someone else, because they hadn't heard from
me and didn't know ... ... ...

OH, how that burns me... ... ...

Takes the wind right out of my sails and all the fun flies away right with it.
Most of the time, I don't even write back to that person, and if I do,more
often than not, I simply decline their request to trade.  It's just no
fun after that.  So far, this hasn't happened even once, with OBC, and I truly
suspect, it never will.  So, I'd much rather "Travel at the Speed of OBC,"
and if it takes half the baseball season or even more, to become a member,
I kind of like it that way, and if I had to, I'd do it all over again!!!

Thanks for the read!

p.s.  Thanks John, for being such an excellent friend and mentor !!!!! !!! !!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: geno.wagner
To: Mac Wubben
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Sponsoring Rick Johnson for OBC membership

Mac --

It seems like Rick is getting some good feedback and he has put his
application in, so he just needs to hang on while the new member process
works through the steps.

As far as the New Member process is concerned, I know it is a bit
frustrating for guys who are waiting. It takes a long time and they may
feel that they have been forgotten. Some of that has to do with the fact
that we only vote on them once a month and they just miss the date. Anyway,
th AC happens to be addressing the problem right now, so hopefully we can
improve it.

As far a Rick and any others are concerned, please tell them to be patient
and continue to trade with the guys!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mac Wubben" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:40 AM
Subject: Sponsoring Rick Johnson for OBC membership

> Hello advisory committee,
> I would like to formally sponsor Rick Johnson for OBC membership (at his
> request). I have already explained the ideas behind OBC, he seems to
> really appreciate our approach. Right now he is actively seeking trades
> with other OBC members, so he can get more references.
> Let me know what the next steps are.
> Thanks,
> Mac Wubben
> __________________________________________________________
> Get the latest Windows Live Messenger 8.1 Beta version. Join now.
> http://ideas.live.com

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 10:22:07 EST
To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Coming soon: PSA 11?

Hi gang,
While searching for 1971 Kellogg's cards, I stumbled across item (#
330049038752). It's a PSA 10 Clemente that the seller claims is the "highest ever
graded". Thank you Captain Obvious. Here's another game to kill time when the
boss isn't around: http://www.107.peugeot.co.uk/peugeot.swf TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 17:52:51 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: What burns me about traders from other groups

-< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Walker"  wrote:
My gawd, I just HATE when I get Email from someone in one of
those 'other' groups, who writes an all-exciting note, telling me
everything about the fabulous cards they found for me, only to learn,
when I "finally" get back to them with their return fire, a "whole"
week later, that they've already traded half "my" list of cards, to
someone else, because they hadn't heard from me and didn't
know ... ... ...

OH, how that burns me... ... ...>

May i add what burns me is when traders from other groups contact me
listing a ton of cards from my want lists they have for a prospective
trade then when i go to look at theirs i have a lot of their wants
until i come to "Condition requirements Ex-Mint only" and that kills
the whole deal.
I always reply with "i joined OBC to be able to trade lower grade
cards.I don't have Ex-Mint cards in my 50's and 60's sets.I am unable
to supply any cards in the condition they require."

Some of these traders in these groups are putting together Ex-Mint
sets of 53,54,55 topps and 53 color Bowmans.They are definitely too
rich for my blood.I think the guys putting these sets together are
all former lottery winners or something.

OBC is real card collecting "home" to me.This is the greatest group
with the greatest bunch of traders in existance.It is definitely
collecting as it was in our youth.When i was a kid trying to trade my
Ed Kranepool to another kid who was a Mets fan for his Mickey Mantle
did we immediately pull out our magnifying glasses and check out the
corners of the cards and declare, "sorry, no trade, your cards do not
meet my condition requirements."
No we sure didn't and in OBC we STILL don't- my ramble- Linda

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:13:31 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Skating on Thin Ice

Can I suggest that we all refrain from slinging arrows at other groups,
either naming them specifically, or making general comments.

Many of us are in several groups, and I believe that we are all well aware
of the pros and cons of all of them.  If someone asks you, deal with that
person directly, and not in the general ramblings.

Some comments have already been made, and more would be made, that seem
inappropriate, if we allow this line of conversation to continue.

No one, and no group is perfect.  Let's not prove it by throwing  stones.

My ramble.

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 18:44:44 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Since i got worked up about condition requirements of other groups..

Since i got worked up about the condition requirements in other groups
( this is the only stone i want to throw, Gary, and since it is a card
giveaway i may be forgiven)that make trading difficult or impossible i
would like to offer a few star cards for your consideration gentlemen:
(cards in conditions that would prevent them from residing in the
collections of other on line groups)

Available and needing of good homes that only OBC memebers can provide-

1954 Topps Gil Hodges- a Star Brooklyn Dodger player to make any Dodger
fan happy-rounded corners,writing on front, coffee stains, creases -but
still a "beautiful" 54 topps Brooklyn Dodger card to me

1957 topps Roberto Clemente-trimmed, but who cares, it is a Clemente
star card from the 50's!

1965 Topps Sandy Koufax- rounded corners and creases in upper left hand
corner.Yes, one of the greatest pitchers in baseball history and the
man our own Rob Giola actually met during the last World Series.
(it STILL should have been Yankees and Mets in that one and Yankees in

1954 Topps Phil Ruzzuto (had to include a Yankee, guys)tiny paper loss
on front

and now Tim suggests i add this.The receiver of one of the above cards
will also receive a card in a condition that OBCer's DON'T collect- a
1962 Topps Jim Gillium PSA 7- encapsulated- i won this card on the
local bid board a few months ago for $1.This card somes with one of the
above but i won't mention which one- Let it be a suprise!-Linda

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 01:32:12 +0000
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net
Subject: another give away

To supplement Linda's earlier offereings--I thought I would post a bunch of posties.  Have at them--condition is across the board, and of course, some kids cut them off the back of cereal boxes 45-years ago.

1961--15, 17, 56, 66, 67, 77, 78, 98, 120, 124, 153, 167, 170, 187, 188, 199

1962--18, 25, 64, 79, 155, 167, 194

And a few HOFers from 1974--
35 Gaylord Perry, 55 Frank Robinson, 100 Willie Stargell, 204 SB leaders with Brock, 236 Schoendienst, 250 McCovey

Peter Mead

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:56:02 -0600
To: Linda 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What burns me about traders from other groups

I always decline offers of trades with people that have these tough
conditions to try and come up with. However, after many a stroll down
Ebay Lane, I have come to the conclusion that most of the sellers have
no understanding of grading so it is understandable the some of the
collectors don't either. Surely they cannot hope to complete  NM-MT sets
of all the 50s Topps sets. They may be influenced by what they see for
sale. When I see cards listed as Ex - ExMt and described as having only
a couple of minor creases or cards with crater-creases or added
ballpoint information described as VG, "would be EX-MT except for...",
it makes me shake my head in wonder. And Hey! Now that I'm on a roll,
who the hell came up with this EX-MT category anyway? I mean you have
Mint, you have Near-Mint, you have Excellent. Shouldn't that Ex-Mt be
EX-NM? AND!, What the hell is this Gem Mint I've seen on card
descriptions? Who let the Jewelers into our hobby anyway? Well, really I
guess I don't care what grade the sellers call them, as long as I can
get them at a 'Fair' price. (or better)

Greg (yaz)

Linda wrote:
> -< In OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com
> , "Walker"  wrote:
> My gawd, I just HATE when I get Email from someone in one of
> those 'other' groups, who writes an all-exciting note, telling me
> everything about the fabulous cards they found for me, only to learn,
> when I "finally" get back to them with their return fire, a "whole"
> week later, that they've already traded half "my" list of cards, to
> someone else, because they hadn't heard from me and didn't
> know ... ... ...
> OH, how that burns me... ... ...>
> May i add what burns me is when traders from other groups contact me
> listing a ton of cards from my want lists they have for a prospective
> trade then when i go to look at theirs i have a lot of their wants
> until i come to "Condition requirements Ex-Mint only" and that kills
> the whole deal.
> I always reply with "i joined OBC to be able to trade lower grade
> cards.I don't have Ex-Mint cards in my 50's and 60's sets.I am unable
> to supply any cards in the condition they require."
> Some of these traders in these groups are putting together Ex-Mint
> sets of 53,54,55 topps and 53 color Bowmans.They are definitely too
> rich for my blood.I think the guys putting these sets together are
> all former lottery winners or something.
> OBC is real card collecting "home" to me.This is the greatest group
> with the greatest bunch of traders in existance.It is definitely
> collecting as it was in our youth.When i was a kid trying to trade my
> Ed Kranepool to another kid who was a Mets fan for his Mickey Mantle
> did we immediately pull out our magnifying glasses and check out the
> corners of the cards and declare, "sorry, no trade, your cards do not
> meet my condition requirements. "
> No we sure didn't and in OBC we STILL don't- my ramble- Linda

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 22:06:31 -0600
To: Yaz 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What burns me about traders from other groups

Oh, Oh. Now I've done it. I probably offended every jeweler in OBC. Sorry.

Greg (yaz)

Yaz wrote:
> I always decline offers of trades with people that have these tough
> conditions to try and come up with. However, after many a stroll down
> Ebay Lane, I have come to the conclusion that most of the sellers have
> no understanding of grading so it is understandable the some of the
> collectors don't either. Surely they cannot hope to complete NM-MT sets
> of all the 50s Topps sets. They may be influenced by what they see for
> sale. When I see cards listed as Ex - ExMt and described as having only
> a couple of minor creases or cards with crater-creases or added
> ballpoint information described as VG, "would be EX-MT except for...",
> it makes me shake my head in wonder. And Hey! Now that I'm on a roll,
> who the hell came up with this EX-MT category anyway? I mean you have
> Mint, you have Near-Mint, you have Excellent. Shouldn't that Ex-Mt be
> EX-NM? AND!, What the hell is this Gem Mint I've seen on card
> descriptions? Who let the Jewelers into our hobby anyway? Well, really I
> guess I don't care what grade the sellers call them, as long as I can
> get them at a 'Fair' price. (or better)
> Greg (yaz)
> Linda wrote:
> >
> > -< In OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com
> > , "Walker"  .> wrote:
> > My gawd, I just HATE when I get Email from someone in one of
> > those 'other' groups, who writes an all-exciting note, telling me
> > everything about the fabulous cards they found for me, only to learn,
> > when I "finally" get back to them with their return fire, a "whole"
> > week later, that they've already traded half "my" list of cards, to
> > someone else, because they hadn't heard from me and didn't
> > know ... ... ...
> >
> > OH, how that burns me... ... ...>
> >
> > May i add what burns me is when traders from other groups contact me
> > listing a ton of cards from my want lists they have for a prospective
> > trade then when i go to look at theirs i have a lot of their wants
> > until i come to "Condition requirements Ex-Mint only" and that kills
> > the whole deal.
> > I always reply with "i joined OBC to be able to trade lower grade
> > cards.I don't have Ex-Mint cards in my 50's and 60's sets.I am unable
> > to supply any cards in the condition they require."
> >
> > Some of these traders in these groups are putting together Ex-Mint
> > sets of 53,54,55 topps and 53 color Bowmans.They are definitely too
> > rich for my blood.I think the guys putting these sets together are
> > all former lottery winners or something.
> >
> > OBC is real card collecting "home" to me.This is the greatest group
> > with the greatest bunch of traders in existance.It is definitely
> > collecting as it was in our youth.When i was a kid trying to trade my
> > Ed Kranepool to another kid who was a Mets fan for his Mickey Mantle
> > did we immediately pull out our magnifying glasses and check out the
> > corners of the cards and declare, "sorry, no trade, your cards do not
> > meet my condition requirements. "
> > No we sure didn't and in OBC we STILL don't- my ramble- Linda
> >
> >

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 23:32:30 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 
Subject: Are we ranting today?  (here's mine)

Typical culprit--evilbay.  Normally I love ebay, but in this case, I'll have
to say, that it's living up to it's evil nickname.  I was devising my
bidding strategy, trying to estimate what some big ticket items will cost
me.  I use ebay completed auctions to get a good ballpark price.  This time,
my search seemed to find many fewer than expected result.  Why you ask?
Ebay now is charging for completed auction listings under "market research"
tools.  That's some big time BS in my opinion.  If ebay isn't already making
enough money.

Grumble grumble.

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=================

Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 04:39:11 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Massimo" 
Subject: How do I find the UV server?

I hope this is not a stupid question, but I have never been able to
find the UV server.  How do I get to it?  thanks,

=================

To: "'Yaz'" 
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 20:27:36 -0800
From: "Grant" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What burns me about traders from other groups

You can get low-grade diamonds, too=85..I bought my wife one.
Oh, Oh. Now I've done it. I probably offended every jeweler in OBC.

Greg (yaz)

Yaz wrote:
> I always decline offers of trades with people that have these tough
> conditions to try and come up with. However, after many a stroll down
> Ebay Lane, I have come to the conclusion that most of the sellers have
> no understanding of grading so it is understandable the some of the
> collectors don't either. Surely they cannot hope to complete NM-MT
> of all the 50s Topps sets. They may be influenced by what they see for
> sale. When I see cards listed as Ex - ExMt and described as having
> a couple of minor creases or cards with crater-creases or added
> ballpoint information described as VG, "would be EX-MT except for...",
> it makes me shake my head in wonder. And Hey! Now that I'm on a roll,
> who the hell came up with this EX-MT category anyway? I mean you have
> Mint, you have Near-Mint, you have Excellent. Shouldn't that Ex-Mt be
> EX-NM? AND!, What the hell is this Gem Mint I've seen on card
> descriptions? Who let the Jewelers into our hobby anyway? Well, really
> guess I don't care what grade the sellers call them, as long as I can
> get them at a 'Fair' price. (or better)
> Greg (yaz)
> Linda wrote:
> >
> > -< In OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com
> > , "Walker"  .> wrote:
> > My gawd, I just HATE when I get Email from someone in one of
> > those 'other' groups, who writes an all-exciting note, telling me
> > everything about the fabulous cards they found for me, only to
> > when I "finally" get back to them with their return fire, a "whole"
> > week later, that they've already traded half "my" list of cards, to
> > someone else, because they hadn't heard from me and didn't
> > know ... ... ...
> >
> > OH, how that burns me... ... ...>
> >
> > May i add what burns me is when traders from other groups contact me
> > listing a ton of cards from my want lists they have for a
> > trade then when i go to look at theirs i have a lot of their wants
> > until i come to "Condition requirements Ex-Mint only" and that kills
> > the whole deal.
> > I always reply with "i joined OBC to be able to trade lower grade
> > cards.I don't have Ex-Mint cards in my 50's and 60's sets.I am
> > to supply any cards in the condition they require."
> >
> > Some of these traders in these groups are putting together Ex-Mint
> > sets of 53,54,55 topps and 53 color Bowmans.They are definitely too
> > rich for my blood.I think the guys putting these sets together are
> > all former lottery winners or something.
> >
> > OBC is real card collecting "home" to me.This is the greatest group
> > with the greatest bunch of traders in existance.It is definitely
> > collecting as it was in our youth.When i was a kid trying to trade
> > Ed Kranepool to another kid who was a Mets fan for his Mickey Mantle
> > did we immediately pull out our magnifying glasses and check out the
> > corners of the cards and declare, "sorry, no trade, your cards do
> > meet my condition requirements. "
> > No we sure didn't and in OBC we STILL don't- my ramble- Linda
> >
> >

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Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:20:49 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: help id'ing a card

I wondered if anyone knew what these cards were?

_http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Early-1900s-BASEBALL-Strip-Card-Lot-Nice_W0QQitemZ32005
(http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Early-1900s-BASEBALL-Strip-Card-Lot-Nice_W0QQitemZ320051984406QQihZ011QQcategory

=================

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:00:58 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help id'ing a card

In a message dated Tue Nov 21, 2006 5:00 pm PST, biggies@aol.com writes:

> I wondered if anyone knew what these cards were?

Nice lot Bob. Interesting that the card picturing the 'fielder' isn't wearing
a glove. The cards depicting the shortstop and catcher both appear to be
throwing left-handed. (Me in a former lifetime?)

Ken M

=================

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 10:17:53 EST
To: BDAngelo@aol.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: oops

A report in the Tampa Tribune suggested Bucs coach Jon Gruden had sent
"feelers" out regarding the Cowboys head coach job. Gruden was not happy. "Some
(expletive) idiot wrote that article, okay?" Gruden said. "I'm committed to
being in the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. It's the only job I've ever wanted. I'd like
to let you feel this (Chucky face) right now - anybody saying that. Do you
know  what I mean? I'm here as long as the Glazers will have me. It's the
greatest  franchise in football. We're on our way up and we have a lot of young guys
playing. Somebody pointed that out to me (the article) and that's laughable,
really. I like the Tampa Tribune. I subscribe to it, but whoever wrote that
article needs to have his head examined. I don't like that."
bob, did you edit that piece?

=================

Date: 22 Nov 2006 16:12:00 -0000
To: biggies@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help id'ing a card

I couldn't get the first link to work but the second came through.  The
second link shows cards from two different strip sets.  The last two cards
are from a set of 10 Canadian Athletes strip cards which I have.  The others
in the set include boxers, hockey players, cricket players, skaters, weight
lifters, tennis player, and the two baseball players which are the last wo
in the set.  It was produced around 1890 and is Anonymous.  The others shown
in this link are from a set of strip cards issued around 1920.

------------- Original message follows -------------

I wondered if anyone knew what these cards were?

_http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Early-1900s-BASEBALL-Strip-Card-Lot-Nice_W0QQitemZ32005
(http://cgi.ebay.com/5-Early-1900s-BASEBALL-Strip-Card-Lot-Nice_W0QQitemZ320051984406QQihZ011QQcategory

=================

Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:42:29 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Massimo" 
Subject: Fort Washington December Show

I know the show is not at the old place, but is there a December show
at a new place?

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (obc ramblings)
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 23:24:39 +0000
From: obcbobd@comcast.net
Subject: FW: [OBC-Announcements] FINAL UPDATE OBC Xmas/Holiday Card Exchange 2006

I apologize for the duplicate message.  I'm not sure if the obc-announcements list is working so I thought I'd forward this to the ramblings server.

-------------- Forwarded Message: --------------
From: obcbobd@comcast.net
To: 
Subject: [OBC-Announcements] FINAL UPDATE OBC Xmas/Holiday Card Exchange 2006
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:47:27 +0000
> The OBC 2006 Xmas/Holiday Card Exhange is well under way.  There are still a lot
> of OBCers who participated in the past who have yet to sign up.  If you plan to
> sign up please do so ASAP.  That way everyone has plenty of time to join before
> December 25th.
> There's still time to join up.  Just respond to this message.
> If you are joining, please remember to update your wantlist.  Santa's crystal
> ball is a bit foggy and he'd hate to get you something you already have.
> Finally, if you haven't already confirmed w/ me who your victim is please do so.
> This is very important as it help prevent a mistake of someone getting
> overlooked do to my cutting and pasting the wroing name from my spreadsheet.
> THIS WILL BE MY LAST REQUEST FOR PARTICIPANTS!!  IF you wait to long you risk
> not being able to join in as there will be no one left to match you with.
> thanks
> Bob
> Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

To: ,
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:05:39 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fort Washington December Show

Hello All,
here is the info:
http://www.phillyshow.org/shownews.htm

http://www.readingberkspa.com/directions/index.asp

It is at least 3 1/2 -4 hrs for New Yorkers. Who is interested? May want tothink
about a sleep over? Life has gotten tougher

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Massimo
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fort Washington December Show

I know the show is not at the old place, but is there a December show
at a new place?

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 09:58:56 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Cleveland Indians Julio Franco Jersey

I have a good friend who is trying to find a Cleveland Indians Julio Franco
Jersey to give to his son for Christmas.  Does anyone know of a company who
would have this or would make one?   Anyone know of sources besides eBay to look
for one?
This seems harder than finding the 1953 edition Rootie Kazootie - Detective
Golden Book that we are giving to my sister-in-law....
Thanks for any help,

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 15:33:27 GMT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Bob Saxton" 
Subject: OBC books

Here are a few baseball books free for the taking or to pass around.
Some are like new, some are former library books:

The Man Who Invented Baseball - bio of Alexander Cartwright;

The Toughest Job in Baseball, What Managers Do, How The do It and Why
it Gives Them Ulcers, by Peter Pascarelli;

Joy in Mudville, The Big Book of Baseball Humor edited by Dick Schaap
and Mort Geerberg;

Stan Musial, The Man's Own Story, as told to Bob Broeg;

The Old Ball Game, How John McGraw, Christy Mathewson and the New York
Giants Created Modern Baseball;

The National League, A History (published 1986)

Hope everyone has a great holiday!

=================

To: ,
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 22:37:51 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cleveland Indians Julio Franco Jersey

Brock --

It's probably just as tough because a Franco Indians jersey is about the same
age as a 1953 Golden Book...

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: brockhattox@cs.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 2:58 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cleveland Indians Julio Franco Jersey

I have a good friend who is trying to find a Cleveland Indians Julio Franco
Jersey to give to his son for Christmas.  Does anyone know of a company who
would have this or would make one?   Anyone know of sources besides eBay
to look for one?
This seems harder than finding the 1953 edition Rootie Kazootie - Detective
Golden Book that we are giving to my sister-in-law....
Thanks for any help,

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 03:36:21 -0500
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Interview a Sports Legend on WhatIfSports.com /attn Davey Johnson
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Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:40:16 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Cards Available

I spent the day with Roger Neufeldt today in Atlanta.  I found a number of
cards that I needed and was able to sell him a few cards that I had picked up in
auctions and were dupes.   There were a number of cards that I would have
sold if they had been in good enough condition for Roger, but they were not.   I
am planning to put these cards on eBay in the next few days, but I wanted to
offer them to traders first.
I would prefer to trade these cards to anyone who desires, but I will also
sell them for what I feel I have in them.
1956 Topps, I have close to 200 commons.  I will sell the uncreased cards for
$5 and the creased cards for $3.   If you want me to check your want list and
tell you what I have, please let me know.
1953 Bowman.   I have a Mantle, and a number of other stars, plus several
high numbers.
1949 Leaf.   I am going to abandon this set.  I consigned my Paige, PSA 4 to
Roger.   I have all of the non-SP cards, and 28 short prints to sell.  Let me
know if you are interested in any of these and I will let you know the
condition and price.
I am not looking to get full condition-adjusted book value on these cards,
but I would like to get my investment out of them and redirect it to other sets
in which I have more interest.
As always, trades for anything on my want list will be given priority over
Brock H.

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:18:17 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: DaPatriot1@aol.com
Subject: 68 high # anyone???

hello, I was at a card show today and came across a few 68 topps wasn't  sure
if i wante dthem cause i cant stand the set, and the dealer told me card #
505 Joe Sparma is a tough common so i picked it up. Since im not working on the
set nor do I EVER plan on working on it, does anyone need this car?  Let me
Rob Gioia

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 23:27:30 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Ok kids, particulalry you guys new in the last year or so... I'm a little
late, but I have updated my "coolest topps card" site.   So, go to:
http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cooltopps/front.htm
and check out my picks for the coolest card from each Topps set
1951-2006.  There is also comentary and extra pics of "also-rans"
in the voting.
Let me know if you like it :)
Go OBC!

=================

To: ,
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 07:01:26 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Sean --

Very cool, but the blue writing on red background made me feel like I had been
sorting 1975 Topps cards too long!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McGowan
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:27 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Ok kids, particulalry you guys new in the last year or so... I'm a little
late, but I have updated my "coolest topps card" site. So, go to:
http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cooltopps/front.htm
and check out my picks for the coolest card from each Topps set
1951-2006. There is also comentary and extra pics of "also-rans"
in the voting.
Let me know if you like it :)
Go OBC!

=================

To: ,
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:31:08 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Sean --

It would be cool to see a collection of all-time "worst" poses.  Any Don Mossi
card will do - just don't let his granddaughter see the list (you oldtimers
will remember that fiasco, the details of which escape me).  Or any Cubs
team card with all those ugly melons.  Or all the bare-headed Expos in the
1969 set.  However, my all-time "worst" card is the 1959 Bob Gibson RC -how
in the world does the most feared pitcher in history warrant a pink rookie

By the way, does anyone have a spare copy of the Great American Card Flipping
book?  I can't find mine and I'm due for a read again!  If you haven't read
it, let me know and if someone sends me one, I'll pass it along as it'sthe
best baseball card book ever written.  I'm also looking for The Boys of
Summer by Roger Kahn to reread and pass along to my dad.  I'm sure I can find
them on Ebay, but I thought I'd ask...

Take Care,

----- Original Message -----
From: Sean McGowan
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:27 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Ok kids, particulalry you guys new in the last year or so... I'm a little
late, but I have updated my "coolest topps card" site. So, go to:
http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cooltopps/front.htm
and check out my picks for the coolest card from each Topps set
1951-2006. There is also comentary and extra pics of "also-rans"
in the voting.
Let me know if you like it :)
Go OBC!

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:05:44 +0000
From: chuckparis@comcast.net
Subject: T206 Availables

I have a Congalton and a Magee-batting available for the asking.  Both are presentable but trimmed.

And as long as I have your attention....... does anybody who isn't all that close on completeion want to swap Southern Leaguers??  I only need Bernhard, Ellam, McCauley and Seitz.

I have extras of the following SL cards.... Hart, Kiernan, Miller, Mullaney and White.

LMK.... I won't be home until late Sunday to respond to requests for the two available.  Plenty of time to put in a request.

=================

To: "obc rambling" ,
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:14:13 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: 74 evel knievel cards

Hello All,
I have in exmt #40&50 in dupes & need the following:
1974 evel knievel  anycondition#2-5,7,9-12,15-,23,24,25,28,29,31-39,41,42,44,45,48,51-58,60

=================

To: "obc rambling" ,
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 09:18:17 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: 1976-77 hoops in need

Hello All,

I was down to just card#100 to finish the set & found a gremlin took #122. Then
I decided to follow Mark T. & Steve Ritt. on the back variations. Any help?

1977-76 bright green on back vg up condition #9,13,19,21,23,36,44,56,57,59,61,73,87,96,100(evering),106,

1977-76 dark green on back..some call them gray backs vg up condtiton #2,3,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,20,22,24,25,26,27,28,29,
98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114, 115,117,119,120,121,122,123,126,128,130,131

http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 16:44:27 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Ken M" 
Subject: Re: Cleveland Indians Julio Franco Jersey

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, brockhattox@... wrote:
> I have a good friend who is trying to find a Cleveland Indians Julio Franco
> Jersey to give to his son for Christmas.  Does anyone know of a company who
> would have this or would make one?   Anyone know of sources besides eBay to
> for one?
> This seems harder than finding the 1953 edition Rootie Kazootie - Detective
> Golden Book that we are giving to my sister-in-law....
> Thanks for any help,
> Brock

I did a quick google search and came up with balljerseys.com - they have a
different Indians jerseys to choose from and can customize any of them. Thecatch
is that
it takes at least 2-3 weeks to get them ready, since they're individually hand
sewn. Seems
like a good way to get that jersey if you can't track one down anywhere else.
Hope this

Ken M

=================

To: "obc rambling" ,
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 12:11:45 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: Re: 1977-78 hoops in need revised

Sorry I messed up on the years
----- Original Message -----
From: ant
To: obc rambling ; trading bases ; vct
Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:18 AM
Subject: 1976-77 hoops in need

Hello All,

I was down to just card#100 to finish the set & found a gremlin took #122.
Then I decided to follow Mark T. & Steve Ritt. on the back variations. Any

1977-78 bright green on back vg up condition #9,13,19,21,23,36,44,56,57,59,61,73,87,96,100(evering),106,

1977-78 dark green on back..some call them gray backs vg up condtiton #2,3,5,6,7,8,10,11,12,14,15,16,17,18,20,22,24,25,26,27,28,29,
98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114, 115,117,119,120,121,122,123,126,128,130,131

http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html

=================

To: , 
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 13:27:16 -0500
From: "Bill Malson" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 high # anyone???

Don't need the card, but for what it's worth, I once knew Joe Sparma's dad.He
was a big whiskey and milk drinker...

----- Original Message -----
From: DaPatriot1@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 6:18 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 high # anyone???

hello, I was at a card show today and came across a few 68 topps wasn't sure
if i wante dthem cause i cant stand the set, and the dealer told me card
# 505 Joe Sparma is a tough common so i picked it up. Since im not working
on the set nor do I EVER plan on working on it, does anyone need this car?
 Let me know
Rob Gioia

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To: 
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 15:39:32 -0800
From: "Grant" 
Subject: Price Guide Help.....

My latest guide is 1999=85..could someone please let me know what a more
recent price guide lists a set of 1965 and 1966 OPC BB in NrMt at
please? (In =9299 it was $2400)

Thanks, Grant

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Date: 26 Nov 2006 00:33:58 -0000
To: "Grant" , 
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Price Guide Help.....

The 65 set is at $3150 and the 66 set is at $1800 per the 2007 SCD.

------------- Original message follows -------------

My latest guide is 1999…..could someone please let me know what a more
recent price guide lists a set of 1965 and 1966 OPC BB in NrMt at
please? (In ’99 it was $2400)

Thanks, Grant

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:51:57 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Anyone see this TV show on Friday night?

Today i was at the baseball card shop bidboard and a fellow member
told me about a TV show on Friday night i wish i had seen.The show
was Ghost Whisperer on the CBS network and aired at 8 PM on the West
I looked in the Tv schedule for a listing of the program and to see
what was printed about the description of the show.
The description printed in the Tv guide on the show read "the angry
spirit of a professional baseball player tries to take over the body
of a young pitcher during a high school game."
If i had read that description of the show i would have certainly
watched it but i missed it.
What is really interesting is that my friend who saw the show told me
there is a scene of a guy looking at a binder filled with the cards
his father collected and they actually show 1950's cards including a
50's Mantle card.My friend said he definitely recognized the Mantle
card on the upper left page of the binder.The cards were in plastic
sheets.My card shop friend said they showed a lot of classic 50's
cards in the binder as someone turned the pages.
I just hope they re run this particular episode sometime.Just keep
watching your TV guide and the descriptions of the Ghost Whisperer
show until it lists one about a baseball player taking over the body
of a high school player.If this show is repeated i am definitely
taping it- Linda

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 02:56:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Re: 57 years of "cool" Topps cards

Cool site.  Pretty good picks.  But as with any list, when you give it
to a bunch of guys who have also somewhat made their own picks, you're
going to get some "I can't believe you didn't include..."

So here goes.  As sooon as I read the premise, one card immediately
came to mind: 2001 Topps 540 Chad Curtis.  At least I think that's the
card.  I can't get to it right now because I'm in the midst of a huge
project that has my cards locked away in their closet.  If you've seen
the card (and hoping I have it right)... it'll be obvious.  Much better
than that silly Zimmer-pusher card you have up there now for the best
of 2001.  Haha.  Anyway, for those of you who have some 2001 Topps
laying around, check it out.

=================

To: 
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 11:25:12 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Cool Red Sox lot

OBCers --

I ran across this lot while looking for something else - great for a BoSox

http://cgi.ebay.com/1950-60s-BOSTON-RED-SOX-PHOTOS-20-DIFFERENT_W0QQitemZ150061745500QQihZ005QQcategoryZ50129QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Take Care, Geno

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To: 
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 19:59:40 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" 
Subject: Ft Washington??  London??

OBCers --

Anybody going to Ft Washington next week and want to do a little scouting
for me on the side?  Let me know and I'll give you a short list of two

Also, I'm going to go to a cigarette card show in London next month
(hopefully).  I've never been to one before, so I have no idea what to
expect.  If anybody is looking for any themes or sets of British cards (of
which there are an incredible variety), let me know and I'll pick some up
for you if I find what you want.

Take Care, Geno

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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:25:18 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Lists of Cards Available

I think I have pulled out the cards for traders who have emailed me, so I am
going to attach lists of cards from 1949 Leaf, 1953 Bowman, 1952 Topps, and
1956 Topps that I would like to trade or sell.   If traders do not claim any of
these cards, I plan to list the remainder on eBay.   I have listed discounted
prices for those who do not have anything to trade, but would like to buy the
cards.   If you think I owe you cards, please let me know and I will send you
what you need.
Brock Hattox
636 Estates Drive
Gulf Shores, AL  36542

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:33:35 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "rayluurs" 
Subject: A post for someone for Kurt Tourdot

Kurt asked me to pass this along to the group

If you can put your feelers out on some of your OBC colleagues, I have
a '62 Post FB Sam Baker (red asterisk).  BV $350, it is a bit cut into
the picture, but I want only $40 for it.  Some of your trading partners
may do the set.

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 03:48:44 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Chris Stufflestreet" 
Subject: New Adress...and This Time I Mean it!

I'm happy to report that after 6 weeks of bouncing around in temporary
digs, the Stufflestreet family is now in its permanent place!  Finally!

My back is sore from moving all the boxes, unpacking them and doing
all the work that "She Who Must Be Obeyed" deems necessary, but after
keeping my collection in storage for nearly 2 months, I'm hapy to have
it back under my roof.

Here's my new address:

Chris Stufflestreet
11072 Barbizon Cir. E.
Jacksonville, FL 32259

The PO Box I've been using since October will still be in use, and all
mail sent to my old address on Louvre Drive (I still get some OBC
stuff sent there despite changing my address on the online database)
will still be forwarded to the PO Box until April.

I'll get the new address in the online directory shortly, but until I
do...if anybody here still uses an address list they printed out from
a while back, please make the change.

Take care,

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:25:43 GMT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Bob Saxton" 
Subject: Rails & Sails

I can't recall who is collecting Rails and Sails, but here are a couple
up for grabs for whoever can use them. #'s 39, 45, 140, 144.

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 19:37:55 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: HOF induction advice needed!

My man is being inducted this summer.  I need advice from
someone who has attended the induction weekend before.  Where
should I try to stay?  What should I not miss?  Where should I
eat? Where should I not eat?!!
Any advice at all is welcome... I want to get a place to stay
now, if it isn't already too late.

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:11:36 -0800
To: Sean McGowan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF induction advice needed!

On more thing...check this out

http://www.cooperstowntickets.com/

OBC Forever

---- Sean McGowan  wrote:
> Kids,
>     My man is being inducted this summer.  I need advice from
> someone who has attended the induction weekend before.  Where
> should I try to stay?  What should I not miss?  Where should I
> eat? Where should I not eat?!!
> Any advice at all is welcome... I want to get a place to stay
> now, if it isn't already too late.
> Thanks,
> Sean

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 18:08:27 -0800
To: Sean McGowan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF induction advice needed!

For the most part, the food in Cooperstown is mediocre. There is a BBQ joint right in the middle of town that is just okay. But of course, the food is secondary to your event. I attended ( w/OBC's Digdugdig !!) when Mike Schmidt was inducted. It was the greatest baseball vacation possible !!!

We stayed outside of Cooperstown, maybe 20 miles away. That's because we only tried securing a room about 60 days before the induction. No where near enough lead time. You have a lot of time, so you should call the OTESAGA hotel ( Call tomorrow!!). That's the place the HOFers stay at and the lobby will be crawling with Ripken's brethren all weekend.

Stay a few days...like Friday to Monday if you can. There will be card shows, lots of autograph ops and the village needs to be explored to it's fullest!

So, in short...make your reservation very soon ( who knows, it might still be too late to stay at the Otesaga), and don't let anything stop you from being there when your man gets the Call to the Hall. You will enjoy it forever !!

OBC Forever

---- Sean McGowan  wrote:
> Kids,
>     My man is being inducted this summer.  I need advice from
> someone who has attended the induction weekend before.  Where
> should I try to stay?  What should I not miss?  Where should I
> eat? Where should I not eat?!!
> Any advice at all is welcome... I want to get a place to stay
> now, if it isn't already too late.
> Thanks,
> Sean

=================

To: "trading bases" ,
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 21:44:24 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: Vintage basketball list

Hello All,
Below in a list of traders whom collector the hopps up till 79. Please lookover
it for those who are on it & if any one wants me to put them on my trade
page please response with the correct info.

Dan Austin (VCT) at: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/wantlist/ His needs are all
years for the first topps set.

Ken Goetsch (VCT) at: http://www.beckett.com/userpages/kgoetsch.html His needs
are from 1970-1980.

John Leroux (VCT/OBC) at: http://hometown.aol.com/trufan999/CardWantlistindex.html
His needs are for 79-80 and may open some more on his trqade page

Steve Rittenberg (VCT/OBC) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/srittenberg.htm
His Needs are 1969-70 through 1977-78 (including the grayback/darkgreen
1977-78) plus Globetrotters.

Mike Rich (OBC) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/mrich.htm His needs
are 73-74 Topps BSKB Stickers, 1972 Fleer Globetrotters, 1980-81 Topps panels,
1977-78 Topps gray backs & 1969-70 Topps Basketball Rulers, among other
items. He has finish the regular set already.

Scott Earle (OBC) at: http://www.squirrelscards.com/basket.htm His needs are
71/72, 78-79 & 79-80.

John Scott Gray (OBC/VCT) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/jsgray.htm
His needs are 1969-70 Topps Basketball, 1976-77 Basketball, 1977-78 Basketball

Don Rice (Obc) at: http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice/ His needs 48 bowman,57,61,71,74,75,79
topps & 72 fleer globetrotters

Richard Bondy (VCT) at: http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/bondy/ His needs
are from 69-79 and his lists are being worked on and soon will post.

Chris Carpenter (SCT) at: http://www.geocities.com/cwcarpenter2005/cwaynebc.html
His needs are 1970-71 & 1971-72 Basketball

Gary Mandell (VCT) at: http://gmcards.homestead.com/index.html His needs are
topps 71-72 set and the trio sticker inserts

Bo Jonker (vct) He collectes 1975-79 & 1979-80 at http://community-2.webtv.net/earhead6/BosSportscard/

Mark Zentkovich (VCT) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/kwkx35a.htm He
is collecting only Larry Kenon 74-75,78-79 & 79-80

Chuck Andres (VCT) at: http://www.geocities.com/bozons2000/ His needs are 69-70,
70-71 & 71-72. He is real close to finishing these sets

James Moleta (OBC) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/j1mole.htm His needs
are 69/70 & 70/71 and may branch out into other years

Bob Cunha (VCT) at: http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPage&useridbpcv1
His needs are 1969 -80. Also collect 1961-62.

Dan Cipra (OBC) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/xcip.htm he is collecting
69/70,70/71 & 71/72. He needs 3 to ice the 72/73

Ray Zeigler (VCT) at: http://tradewithz.homestead.com/wantlist.html His needs
are 1972/73, but I will also trade for stars and RCs.

Richard Kimball (obc) at :http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/kimballrw2.htm
he collects all years stating with 57 topps up to 80-81

Tom Housley (VCT) at: http://hometown.aol.com/directorth/myhomepage/index.html
His needs are 1969/70, 70/71, 72/73 & 1973/74 and 1971/1972 Topps Trio stickers

Mark Talbot (VCT) at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/markstalbot2/instant/sports.html
His needs are 1969/70 all trough 79/80 including white & gray back
of the 78 set.

Ken Morganti (OBC) at: http://mywebpage.netscape.com/markstalbot2/instant/sports.html
His needs are 1971-72 Topps, 1975-76 Topps, 1977-78 Topps(Grey Stock).
His is almost complete in these sets.

Kent Goto (OBC) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/kwg0.htm His needsare
to upgrade his last basketball set 69-70

george vrechek (obc) at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/vrechek.htm He
collects 1970 to 1976 topps

Kit Okamuro (VCT/OBC) at: http://www.sportscardfun.com/trader/bigdogs.asp His
needs are 70/71 set.

Matt Heilenman (obc)He collectors the 75-76 set and needs several for the 77-78
http://www.geocities.com/mheilenman/mattswantlist.html

Phil Chmielewski (vct) at http://www.nerdmaker.net/cybermonster/ He trades for
1969-to 1975 and is very close to most of the sets

=================

To: "Sean McGowan" ,
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:06:50 -0500
From: "George" 
Subject: Cooperstown

The Otesaga Hotel is indeed the best place to stay.  It is a large, old-fahioned
hotel, right on the lake.  However, be prepared to pay around $400 per

Cooperstown has many motels, and many Bed and Breakfasts.  My advice is to look
on the Cooperstown website for a very extensive listing.  Or you can call
the Cooperstown Chamber of Commerce, and they will send you a large booklet
(around 100 pages).  If you have trouble getting it, let me know, and I
will send you one that is a year or two old.

I have gone to Cooperstown every year for about the last 20 years to play in
tournaments there.  My team and I have stayed in many different places, and
eaten in many different restaurants.  I cannot agree with Brian that thefood
is mediocre.  Basically, you get what you pay for.  Of course, induction
weekend is a special time, and every place will be mobbed.  I would start
looking for a reservation right now.........and you may be too late.  Ifyou
cannot find a place in Cooperstown, you can try Oneonta, which is about
20 miles away, and is a college town.

The only place I would NOT stay is the Mohican Motel in Cooperstown.  I hadto
forfeit a deposit there because I was late in arriving, even though I called
ahead and told them I would be about an hour late.

Cooperstown is a great place, and I would highly recommend that every OBC member
should get there sometime.

----- Original Message -----
From: familytoad@charter.net
To: Sean McGowan ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF induction advice needed!

For the most part, the food in Cooperstown is mediocre. There is a BBQ joint
right in the middle of town that is just okay. But of course, the food is
secondary to your event. I attended ( w/OBC's Digdugdig !!) when Mike Schmidt
was inducted. It was the greatest baseball vacation possible !!!

We stayed outside of Cooperstown, maybe 20 miles away. That's because we only
tried securing a room about 60 days before the induction. No where near
enough lead time. You have a lot of time, so you should call the OTESAGA hotel
( Call tomorrow!!). That's the place the HOFers stay at and the lobbywill
be crawling with Ripken's brethren all weekend.

Stay a few days...like Friday to Monday if you can. There will be card shows,
lots of autograph ops and the village needs to be explored to it's fullest!

So, in short...make your reservation very soon ( who knows, it might still
be too late to stay at the Otesaga), and don't let anything stop you frombeing
there when your man gets the Call to the Hall. You will enjoy it forever

OBC Forever

---- Sean McGowan  wrote:
> Kids,
> My man is being inducted this summer. I need advice from
> someone who has attended the induction weekend before. Where
> should I try to stay? What should I not miss? Where should I
> eat? Where should I not eat?!!
> Any advice at all is welcome... I want to get a place to stay
> now, if it isn't already too late.
> Thanks,
> Sean

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 00:33:40 -0500
From: "Bob Reed" 
Subject: Punt Pass and Kick

The following article appeared in our local paper Friday.  My daughter,
Katie, won the Northern Connecticut sectional and came in 2nd in the New
England region for her age group (ME, NH, VT, RI, MA, CT).  KenM: Let me
know if you'll be at the Pats/Lions game this Sunday.
-Bob Reed

Students will test NFL skills in Foxboro
By Dan Champagne
Record-Journal staff

WALLINGFORD — Kaitlin Reed had just one thing to say to her two brothers
after she won the NFL’s Punt, Pass and Kick sectional championship in
“I told them they better be nice to me.”
By winning her age group, the 9-year-old has earned a spot in the Team
Championship Dec. 3 at Gillette Stadium, the home of the New England
Patriots in Foxboro, Mass. She also won three tickets and has already
decided one will go to her father. But which brother will get to go?
“I’m going to wait to make a decision,” said Reed, a fourth­grader at
Highland School.
Briana Mastel, 12, also won her age division in the sectionals and will
head to Gillette Stadium for the Team Competi­tion. She did the same last
year, finishing eighth nationally.
“I think going last year is going to help me this year,” said Mastel, a
seventh-grader at Wintergreen Interdistrict Magnet School in Hamden. “I kind
of know what it’s like and what to expect.”
The local competition was held at West Side Field and the sectional
championships at Ceppa Field in Meriden. The top five overall scorers in
each age division out of the 10 sectional championships around New England
advance to the Team Championships in Foxboro.
Each contestant gets one punt, pass and kick during the competition and
scores are based on distance and accuracy. The top four scorers from all the
first-place finalists in each age division at the Team Championships around
the country will advance to the national finals during a NFL play­off game
in January.
“It’s funny that towns like Wallingford and Cheshire seem to send kids
quite often,” said Chris Bourdon, recreation pro­gram supervisor for the
Meriden Parks and Recreation Department, which oversees the sectional
championships. “It’s quite an accomplishment. For them to advance is great,
no matter what they do at the next level. Just to get out on that field is
great for them.”
Reed and Mastel said they would practice for the competition over the next
week. Both said kicking off the tee is the most difficult part.
“I just hope I do better than I did in Meriden,” Reed said. “If I can do
that, I’ll be happy.”
The contestants will compete on the Patriots’ practice field before
kickoff of the Patriots- Lions game and will be allowed on the field during
pre­game warm-ups. They will have their names announced to the crowd and
will be on the field during halftime.
“It’s really exciting,” Mastel said of her experience last year. “It’s
cool because a lot of people get to see what you’ve accomplished.”

View Athlete’s Collections with Live Search
http://sportmaps.live.com/index.html?source=hmemailtaglinenov06&FORM=MGAC01

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 20:47:00 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jmoleta30341" 
Subject: Affordable Seaver RC on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/1967-Mets-Rookie-Stars-Topps-card_W0QQitemZ270058473083QQihZ017QQcategoryZ73439QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

At least it was when I looked at it...better hurry if you need it
though; only 6 hours left.

If my link doesn't work, search ebay for 1967 Mets and it will pop up.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:01 +0000
From: david.skoglund@att.net
Subject: Re: Cooperstown

>  For the most part, the food in Cooperstown is mediocre.

My wife and I were there on our honeymoon in 1997. We both fondly remember a restaurant called Clinton's Dam that served one of the best hamburgers we'd ever had. I don't know if that will be true ten years later. I dimly remember an itallian place that was nothing special (not terrible, just kinda there).

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 21:09:11 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 
Subject: Diamond Dust punch board--What do people think???

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270058070236

Good ebay find?  A fool and his money?  Interested to hear thoughts...

MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list. Get expert picks by style,
age, and price. Try it!
http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId00,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata0601&tcode=wlmtagline

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 18:46:39 -0800 (PST)
To: Mac Wubben , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Diamond Dust punch board--What do people think???

It's worth whatever somebody is willing to pay for
it...but I think it's cool!  Five cents to get a
chance for $1.  That was good money in the late 1930s.

It's a neat item from the past that can be shown off.
The fact that it's undisturbed nearly 70 years later
is even better.

Take care,

--- Mac Wubben  wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270058070236
> Good ebay find?  A fool and his money?  Interested
> to hear thoughts...
> Mac
> MSN Shopping has everything on your holiday list.
> Get expert picks by style,
> age, and price. Try it!
http://shopping.msn.com/content/shp/?ctId00,ptnrid=176,ptnrdata0601&tcode=wlmtagline

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

Do you Yahoo!?
Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.
http://new.mail.yahoo.com

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:10:48 EST
To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Diamond Dust punch board--What do people think???

I am also not sure what it is worth.
But agree that it is cool. I spent my younger days in Virginia. My Dad was  a
Fuller Brush man when he was in Law School and he used to take me on the road
with him as my Mom worked. I remember seeing many of those boards in gas
stations and drug stores. My dad would always take a shot.

Good luck poking Mac, and better luck collecting!

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:33:26 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Cards listed on eBay

I have listed 3 lots of 1952 and 1956 Topps on eBay.   Starting bids are
$.99.   These lots are likely to go cheap, since I did not over-promise on
condition.   Take a look at auctions by "ecru", if you are interested.
Take care,

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:17:04 EST
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: 1949 Leaf SP's on eBay

I listed a lot of 7 off-condition 1949 Leaf SP's on eBay last night.  A card
doctor could make some nice cards out of these....
Check out "ecru" auctions.

=================

To: 
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:59:36 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Subject: I know I'm a pain butt .....

..... maybe you can help me on the T206 quest:

Turns out I don't have a common that I thought I did.......... I need a Sheckard-no
glove showing!!    I don't know what happened, I actually thought I
had three backs of the Sheckard glove/no glove and it turns out I only have
one all together.

LMK if you have one you can trade me............. I wonder if I sent it to somebody
by accident!?!?!?

Thanks for looking,

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 20:55:29 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: 1953 Bowman Color lots listed on eBay

"ecru" added 4 1953 Bowman color lots on eBay tonight, including Spahn and

=================

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 11:31:33 -0500
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Subject: 1960 Topps baseball at Sims Classic Sports
Content-Disposition: inline

There are a few good deals on 1960 Topps.  Things that stood out were a high
number Cub or Indian for $1.75, #28 Brooks Robinson for $5 and #484 Pirates
Team Card for $5.   I picked up a high card for my dupes box.

http://www.simsclassicsports.com

=================

Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:34:19 -0800 (PST)
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 
Subject: Cool type collection arrival - 1957 Swift Meats

While not an OBC hit, today's arrival is from a most unusual set. In 1957, Swift
Meats put out a series of punch-out cards with an artistic player rendition
broken into his component parts. You could link the parts together into
a stand-up figure.

Many of the cards you see now were never punched, since the figure itself is
hard to protect and store. Here's a card, as slabbed and offerred by 707:

http://www.707sportscards.com/backs/11897922.jpg

Not exactly the spitting image of the real player, but they got the uniformclose
enough for jazz. My card of interest, #5 Ed Bailey, came available pre-built
on eBay last week and arrived today. Instead of 707's $1200 slabbed
Ashburn, I find the stand-up version much more interesting (and much cheaper).

http://obcspike.50megs.com/type/1957_swift_meats.jpg

Since the cards came packaged with meat, they add a caution on the bottom: "Before
assembling, let card dry..." Classic!

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Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:11:50 -0800 (PST)
To: Matthew ,
From: Chris Stufflestreet 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool type collection arrival - 1957 Swift Meats

Am I the only person here who finds it funny that a
MEAT COMPANY put out cards shwoing what looks like
butchered body parts?

Just wondering.

Take care,

--- Matthew  wrote:

> While not an OBC hit, today's arrival is from a most
> unusual set. In 1957, Swift Meats put out a series
> of punch-out cards with an artistic player rendition
> broken into his component parts. You could link the
> parts together into a stand-up figure.
> Many of the cards you see now were never punched,
> since the figure itself is hard to protect and
> store. Here's a card, as slabbed and offerred by
> 707:
> http://www.707sportscards.com/backs/11897922.jpg
> Not exactly the spitting image of the real player,
> but they got the uniform close enough for jazz. My
> card of interest, #5 Ed Bailey, came available
> pre-built on eBay last week and arrived today.
> Instead of 707's $1200 slabbed Ashburn, I find the
> stand-up version much more interesting (and much
> cheaper).
> http://obcspike.50megs.com/type/1957_swift_meats.jpg
> Since the cards came packaged with meat, they add a
> caution on the bottom: "Before assembling, let card
> dry..." Classic!
> Spike
> Cheap talk?
> Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call
> rates.
> http://voice.yahoo.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
> mailto:OBC-Ramblings-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com

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Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2006 03:01:33 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: my anniversary ramble

I was just posting a thank-you to Jim Hatch for some cards I got today,
and realized, "Oh, yeah.  Today's my official one-year anniversary!"
Wowww.  I've gotten like a million cards in the last twelve months.
Okay, let's be a little more realistic.  No more than seven hundred
thousand.  Haha!  Thanks so much to all the guys (and gal) who have
made me feel so welcome at OBC.  The evidence is all around this room -
Hank Aaron displayed on the shelf from Lynn Miller, My Hank Aaron Coke
cap from Ed Schott, the Killebrew rookie from Andy Cook, TRON and
Superman (and all manner of weirdness) from Linda Fitak... and
literally hundreds more packages of cards...

Speaking of which, that's another one of those little oddities of OBC -
I never once thought to cut a 9-pocket sheet in thirds and put them
into a legal envelope, until I met this crazy group of jokers.  Wait,
err, I mean aces.  Or kings.

Anyway, now I've got them everywhere.  I try to use them as often as I
can, but the fact that they are now in plentiful supply all over this
room is a kind of evidence that y'all (Georgia-ism) are sending me much
more than I ever get a chance to send out.  I'm kinda behind in that.
Yeah, I think that might need to be a new-year's resolution.

So anyway, I know I'm talking about all the stuff you all know so well,
but I wanted to say that I am very appreciative, very grateful, very
humbled, very thankful... and very proud to be a part of this group.

Thanks so much.

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To: "vct" ,
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:27:56 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: 1960 topp fb start

Hello All,
I am looking for a push on this new set:
1960 topps vg/ex condition #2,3,4,6,10,12,13,14,15,16,19,22,23,24,25,27,32,33,34,
40,41,42,48,49,49,51,52,54,55,57,63,65,70,72,74,77,80, 84,87,89,90,92,93,95,97,101,105,106,113,114,115,116,121,122

I have from vg- to ex extra #132,129,128,127,110,107,104,99,98,91,47,44,43,31,30,29,28,17,11,7
also have
1955 bowman football #5,6,3,4,9,11,12,13,17,18,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,39,40,41,45,46,49,50,51,55,56,57,59,61,63,135,155

1956 football #108,:#2(gordon soltau),92,114 These are trimmed#81,75,68,64,39,36,16,4,3

1957 football mostly vg+ #149

1958 #51(sam huff)

1960 fleer all miscut..alittle shorter but just nice corners .#87,89,90,93,94,96,101,102,103,105,106,108,

Anthony Arbeeny

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To: "ant" ,
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 23:18:44 -0500
From: "ant" 
Subject: Re: 1960 topp fb start

Got a nice set of hits quickly

1960 topps vg/ex condition #2,3,4,10,12,15,19,22,23,24,25,33,34, 40,41,42,48,49,51,52,54,55,57,63,65,70,72,74,77,80,

I have from vg- to ex extra #132,129,128,127,110,107,104,99,98,91,47,44,43,31,30,29,28,17,11,7
also have
1955 bowman football #5,6,3,4,9,11,12,13,17,18,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,39,40,41,45,46,49,50,51,55,56,57,59,61,63

1956 football #108,:#2(gordon soltau),92,114 These are trimmed#81,75,68,64,39,36,16,4,3

1957 football mostly vg+ #149

1958 #51(sam huff)

1960 fleer all miscut..alittle shorter but just nice corners .#87,89,90,93,94,96,101,102,103,105,106,108,

Anthony Arbeeny

---- Original Message -----
From: ant
To: vct ; obc rambling ; trading bases
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:27 PM
Subject: 1960 topp fb start

Hello All,
I am looking for a push on this new set:
1960 topps vg/ex condition #2,3,4,6,10,12,13,14,15,16,19,22,23,24,25,27,32,33,34,
40,41,42,48,49,49,51,52,54,55,57,63,65,70,72,74,77,80, 84,87,89,90,92,93,95,97,101,105,106,113,114,115,116,121,122

I have from vg- to ex extra #132,129,128,127,110,107,104,99,98,91,47,44,43,31,30,29,28,17,11,7
also have
1955 bowman football #5,6,3,4,9,11,12,13,17,18,21,22,23,24,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36,39,40,41,45,46,49,50,51,55,56,57,59,61,63,135,155

1956 football #108,:#2(gordon soltau),92,114 These are trimmed#81,75,68,64,39,36,16,4,3

1957 football mostly vg+ #149

1958 #51(sam huff)

1960 fleer all miscut..alittle shorter but just nice corners .#87,89,90,93,94,96,101,102,103,105,106,108,

Anthony Arbeeny