================= To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:41:05 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Mets Broder cards OBCers -- While compiling my WS set using the Alphabetical Checklist Book, I came across some Mets cards listed that I am unfamiliar with and are not in the Krause Price Guide. They are the 1973 Mets All-Time Ed Broder, 1973 Mets Original Ed Broder, and the 1974 Mets Japan Ed Broder. I know "broder" was a dirty word in the hobby in the eighties...is this the same guy? Does anyone know anything about these cards? Or better yet, does anyone have a scan of any of these sets? I'm guessing they aren't in the Krause book due to their "boder" conotation, but they did make the Beckett Alphabetical book...strange. Any help would be appreciated! Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:19:15 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Rafael P OBCers -- That announcement makes me never want to see an MLB game again. I know I will, but it really is sad. When I move away from this Land of Cricket and tea, I'm going straight to a Class A game to get a hotdog... Take Care, Geno ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 22:38:49 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Steve's National Report (the short version) Have a seat and grab a cold one. Even the "short version" of a week at the National is a long ramble. I had arranged to be on vacation starting on Wednesday July 20 through Tuesday August 2. That way, I'd have plenty of time to do all the preparation I hadn't done in the 12 months since the previous National. Well, Wednesday and Thursday and part of the weekend were shot as I still had work that had to be done though I was able to do it from home. Friday through Sunday I started pulling together all the stuff to bring to the National: my wantlist, wantlists for others, cards set aside for others and dupes. Each item on the list is a chore all by itself. In the end, I focussed on ME and spent lots of time on my Red Sox UV list. I didnt catch up totally but I did get a lot done. The rest of my wantlist was in good shape, once I spent a lot of time on the 80s hockey section. There's still plenty to do on the non-sport portion. I have 3 or 4 boxes of cards that havent even been sorted yet. Yes, I know that's more unsorted non-sports than 95% of you even own but I really enjoy the non-sports issues. When I can buy Allen and Ginter's for $1, its always a thrill. Thankfully, there are no rookies. There are no yankees or dodgers. There are no premiums for the #1 card (because most are I caught a 2 hour nap ending at 5pm on Sunday and then pushed on through to 5:30 am with the packing and preparing. I lost a couple hours because me POS car wasn't suitable for the trip and I had to rent one instead. Leaving at 5:30 am had some advantages -- mainly little traffic. I pulled into a gas station outside of Pittsburgh at 9:30 am and felt dead. I wondered if I could crash with Kent Montgomery for a couple of hours but got no answer on his phone. I had a large breakfast at Perkins while i caught up with Jim Wiehe via cell phone. Jim is "only" 10 hours from Chicago so he said he might pop in for the swap (though it didnt happen in the end). I got back on the road and after I bit of apprehension about "am I going in the right direction", I continued to make progress. The best way for me to make the trip go quickly is to listen to a book on CD. I listened to Carrie by Stephen King and the miles melted away. Unfortunately, my energy level was melting away too. The stops became more and more frequent as the amount of coke I was drinking started to mount. Eventually I got close enough that I figured I could make it to Chicago without stopping for a nap. I got into the room around 6:30pm local time, crashed for an hour and then headed to dinner and then Target for provisions. I got up nice and early on Tuesday so I could meet Kevin Savage and help him unload. The past few years Ive cut a deal where I help load/unload in exchange for a dealer badge. He gets a few hours of free labor on opening/closing day and I get in and get to walk around before anyone else. Kevin was running late so I helped out OBC friendly dealer Roger Neufeldt instead. Tuesday was a strange day. Only about half of the OBC friendly dealers were there so I spent time with the other half. William Chappell sets aside stuff specifically for OBC and I got to be the first one to go through it. The highlight was an uncut near set of 1972 Kelloggs all-time greats. Since it was cracked, it was just $2 -- for all four panels. WOW! Of course, I'll never find the last uncut panel but thats ok. From a lesser known dealer, Bob Rangonese, I picked up a couple of cheap Horrors of War cards from my set and a couple of T218s. And as I spoke to each of the dealers, I let them know that I had circulated a list of dealers OBCs should be sure to hit. I dont know if there were tangible benefits from the free advertising I provided but I think the list was something we should continue to circulate. One of these years, I'll get started on my "OBC friendly dealer" button project. Mike Rich has told me about a broken button maker for three years now. If anyone has an unbroken one, let me know. Or we could just buy one. I think it would be great to print up five inch buttons that dealers could wear to ID them as "OBC friendly". Tuesday night I went back to the room, found out no one else had checked in and ate. I got back and found out Ken was now checked in. I had an icy cold one while Ken and dinner at Chili's. We got back to the hotel and Ken passed over a few things he'd been holding for me, including a 3 sheet set of commerative Red Sox cards celebrating the WS set. Wow!!! And even better -- when I told Ken I still needed a 1972 ATG #6 Babe Ruth, he said he had one in his dupes box. Amazing!! We broke up around 10pm and did a bit more work before turning in. I woke up Wednesday and got a phone call from the boss. He wouldn't have time to submit the proposal I had written so I needed to. It was a PITA to connect to the internet that day but eventually I got it done and then headed over to the show. I only had about 20 minutes there as I was meeting Gary Mandell and Kent Goto at the Cubs game. Thanks to Ken for taking me over to the convention center. Gary had picked out a place right across the park for us to have a burger and beer before the game. The beer was cold and the waitresses and burgers were hot. We got into our seats just in time for the first pitch. What awesome seats Gary has! They are just underneat the press boxes behind home plate. It was a bit breezy and cool but we had amazing sight lines. This was my first visit to Wrigley field and it was beautiful. I dont remember ever saying that about Fenway (my home park). Seeing all the ivy and the stands built on top of buildings across the street from the field made it like a post card. The game was a bit choppy but we had lots of fun. Eventually, it got a bit too cool for old men like me and Kent so we asked Gary if we could leave early. Unfortunately, we missed a bottom of the 9th comeback. After a walk to Gary's office to pick up Kent's car, we made our way back. The drive back SUCKED. Kent drove and I fell asleep. I learned I still snored. And I learned that I wouldn't drive into the city again. I think it took about 90 minutes to get back to our area of town. I jumped out of the car at a traffic light and went back to the show for the "preview night". Finally all the OBC friendly dealers had made it to the show. I picked up a few fb cards from Kurt Turdot's table and a few others from JD Heckathorn (both OBC friendly dealers). The show let out at nine and many of the OBCers who had made it so far (Ken, Kent, Ray, Sal, Chris, me) went to Chili's for dinner but we kept missing Shawn Adkins in our planning. We were too tired to swap Wednesday so everyone turned in. I roomed with Ray so I was able to get him to look through my boxes before he spent his money elsewhere. I didnt have much for him but my conscience was Thursday the show "officially" began. We learned there was a free shuttle running from our hotel to the convention center and back. That was AWESOME. I happily tipped the driver $1 each time. Well, each time I had $1 in my pocket. It was the best $1 I spent that week. The alternatives were: pay $11 for a 2 mile cab ride (ouch!), pay $13 each day to park (ouch!), park at the subway station for $3 each day -- all in quarters. This was our plan but it was a pain to round up the quarters so fortunately, we never had to execute it. On Thursday I started whittling away at my lists. I found a few 75-76 basketball cards, some 67 philly fb cards and some topps fb cards. I saw Gary Mandell after a trip to Kurts booth with a fist full of cards in his hand. I asked him about the beat up 65 tall boy fb bobby bell card and he gave it to me (!!) even though he needed it as well. At Chandy Greenholt's table, I found a box full of hostess panels for just $1 each. This was a significant enough find that I had to phone Mike Rich in his car and have him read his WL to me for them. Only Mike would have his list easily accessible in his CAR. I actually managed to find 8 hits for mike, about 1/3 of what he needed. And I pulled a couple for me. Hmm. I just realized I didnt pick up any for Josh, except a Carlton that was on a strange shaped panel -- it was in an L shape instead of the standard 3 across. At some point during the day, I picked up a $50 Ryan RC but I dont think anyone in Chicago needed it so if you do, LMK. After the show Thursday, we all planned on going to the local pizza place. We went back to our hotel rooms (with a couple of mishaps for missing guys) and eventually made it to the pizza place where there was a 90 minute way for a table of 12-14. I said f--k that and stormed away. Others with an ounce of tact tried to reason with the restaurant folks about splitting the group but without success. I led a caravan that eventually ended up at a restaurant about 5 miles away. The food was better than I expected though Mike Rich and Kevin Martens each had to suffer through a cold roast beef dip sandwich. Moral of the story -- MAKE RESERVATIONS. I invited everyone back to my room after the show since I had the largest number of dupes. Everyone else showed up and we even got to see Shawn Adkins this time. Shawn had some great stuff with him but unfortunately, I already had the 36 (38?) Goudey premium of Joe Cronin. I was able to offload some of the stuff I had set aside for people and did some dealer-scumming on the side. I think the night ended around 1am. Friday continued an existing pattern. I got my 6am wakeup call, went back to sleep and sprang out of bed 90 minutes later feeling panicky. I might miss the first 30 minutes of the show if I didnt hurry!!! So I quickly washed up, ate a bagel with peanut butter on it (inspired by Jim Hatch) and caught the 8am shuttle to the show. Then I found out that again, the floor didnt open until 8:30. Plenty of other guys were waiting along with me. There's company in misery. Is there company in confusion? Chandy Greenholt brought out some new stuff -- 65 football. I was able to get first dibs on it and got some SPs at great prices. That set is so complicated with all the SPs. Chandy sorted them by condition so there were $20 SPs I got for $1 and $7 commons that I passed up at $3. That suited me just fine. hahaha. I went over to a guy who has nearly every card from 1981-1994 sorted, priced and cheap and I did some major damage to my Red Sox team sets. There was a Yankee fan there who apparently didnt like how I was looking at the same stuff he was without asking his permission so he started slamming the cards back into the boxes and dinging all the corners. I told the dealer about it but he wasn't as po'ed as I Friday night was our night to go into downtown Chicago for dinner at Mother Hubbard's. Mother Hubbard's is a sports bar located in the heart of the city and is owned by Jim Rittenberg -- but no relation that we can trace. Jim has been to the OBC site previously and found me a few years back. We kept in touch and made it over to his place last time we were in Chicago. This time, Jim outdid himself. He took care of our dinner. We were all in shock. Luckily, I had Ken to bring his laptop so he could use the free wi-fi at the bar so Ken had schlepped his bag with his laptop to dinner. Inside, Ken actually had a spare OBC hat. I'm proud to say that Jim Rittenberg was given the first (that I know of) honorary OBC hat. Im going to send out a separate email about his desire for 57 & 58 Braves. I didnt spend enough time subsequently hunting them down for him but everyone who made it to dinner (14 of us) acknowledge we have a big debt to Jim for his hospitality. I think Im going to work on trying to get Jim to join OBC as well. He remembers the stars but his real interest is in HOMers like Felix Mantilla. Jim told us about Felix's "bench me or trade me" demands. (that was not a misprint) There was lots of other interest goings on at the restaurant. Im going to let Sal tell you about his fortune on his own. Im still freaked out by the frogs that Jim has in a fish tank. They dont move (and therefore look dead or plastic) for a few minutes at a time and then go up to the surface to breathe. It took an hour before I was convinced that they were real (and alive). We made it back to the L after dinner. Sal decided he'd harass everyone around him, whether they were in OBC or not. I just remembed that I didnt get to see the slide show he set up on his computer friday night. Rats... Saturday was "set completion day" for me. I found the last 69 stamp album, 75-76 basketball card, 55-56 parkhurst hockey card and a few other things. Ray Luurs had told me he wanted to shop with my list and asked what I needed. In hindsight, I should've told him about a 56 indians team card (left justified, gray back) or a 1979 hostess mike torrez rather than a 67 Philly FB Dick Butkus. Ray handed me one that looked gem mint compared to the rest of my set. I was in shock (and still am). A dealer finished my 1963 peel off set for me. I told him I only needed Bobby Richardson and asked which of his 12 (!!) Richardsons would go for $1. He ended up giving it to me. Wow -- that was cool. Thanks to Mike Rich for being at the table which I would've overlooked overwise. Oh, and a couple of "lowlights" from the show. Bill Henderson didnt bring much of OBC quality. That's probably why he didnt sell much at the show. He's doing more and more on ebay and beckett.com. I am still a bit miffed because he picked up a psa 1 of the 55 bowman mickey mantle from a dealer just before I did. when I asked bill what he wanted for it, he said $150 -- about twice was the dealer said they were going for on ebay. I dissed bill to the others the rest of the week. From his table, I picked up a card that might have been too good to be true -- a 35 sport king of Red Grange for just $10. One dealer said it was probably ok and offered to take it from me if I didnt like it. Another said he thought it probably wasnt but wasn't definitive. In the end, Mike Rich (who as the guy who needed it) decided to take it off my hands. So, all in all, I spent $12 with Bill, rather than the usual $300-$400. Im not quite kicking myself for passing up a $25 trimmed 55 Bowman Mantle that Sean McGowan found in Rhode Island. But if anyone finds a 55B Mantle for $30 to $40, please pick it up and I will pay you back. Trimmed and writing is ok as long as you think its fairly priced. You know, maybe i'll just write it off and go find a reprint. Im thinking about doing that for the 50 Bowman Ted Williams as well. When I value 10 cent or $1 cards as much as the $50 cards, it makes less and less sense to be compulsive about getting the $50 cards. At the show I picked up reprints of the 50 Bowman Ted Williams, Wilson Weiners Ted Williams, 40 Play Ball Moe Berg. But they were already sold out of 39 Playball ted Williams. Maybe I have an extra somewhere of that one too.... Saturday was another short day at the show for me. My "cousin" Jim turned over his Cubs tickets for that day to me. I joined Mike Rich and Ray Luurs at the game. We got there a couple batters later but were repaid with the view from the right field stands. Mike was on the end next to a couple of babes who he chatted with the entire time. I would've chatted but I get tongue tied in those situations so I merely ogled. I tried to get Mike and Ray to match me beer for beer at the game but they backed out. Man, was it hot! At least 90 there in the sun. Around the 6th inning I started to fade. I went to the concourse and had a hotdog and cooled off. I felt bad for all the women waiting in line for the bathroom. One line was about a block long. I picked up a frozen smoothie and went back to our seats. That smoothie was really good. We left the game in the bottom of the 8th as it was just too hot to continue. It was a crowded train ride back but not as crowded as when Mark Talbot picked us up at the station in his two door car -- with Ron Perry riding shotgun. Sticking Ray Luurs, Mike Rich and me in to the backseat together nearly broke the rear axle. We got back to the hotel and started to bring our stuff down for the swap. I was pretty angry at the hotel because the baggage cart wasnt instantly available. Eventually it was and so I plopped my 10-20 THOUSAND vintage dupes on the cart and brought 'em down. I'm still focussing a bit on what I didn't accomplish that night (for others) rather than what I did accomplish. I could've helped out Mike W with his short lists but I sold off the cards to other guys before I realized he needed them. I think I did help him with his 65 embossed set -- by seeing that Sal had just been given the two cards that Mike needed and asking Sal to pass 'em along. He was very gracious about it. At the swap, I ended up with a ton of stuff. Mike W gave me a Beatles hit (in addition to the puffy full of non-sport he gave me on Friday). George V gave me a couple of 64 Topps Red Sox coins. Larry Zurawski gave me a Twinkies Jim Rice. I received signed Personal Trading Cards from EEK, Mike Rich and Mark Talbot. And AGAIN, Mark Talbot finished a really really tough set. This time it was a T220 Bob Fitzsimmons. That's at least a half dozen sets that Mark has finished. Mark added in a T218 bowler for good measure. Oh -- did I say that I actually bought a T218 from Tik 'n Tik. The most common stuff they carry are T218s and T206s. Most of the stuff they have is 19th century stuff that I've never even seen before. The $5 I paid for the card must be the cheapest thing they've ever sold and I never expected to have been able to afford a card from them. Its like when Audrey Hepburn and George Peppard are excited about buying a spoon from Tiffany's in the movie "Breakfast at Tiffany's". The swap went on and on. I wanted to get internet access in the room but that didnt work out. I wasted an hour tried to get it up in my hotel room and I feel bad that I missed the departure of half the group (I think Mike W, Gary, George, Larry Z and some others). Ron Perry wanted to start another basketball set. I told him he could do so only if he sorted out the cards the Dave Kolenda (remember him?) had given me in Chicago THREE YEARS ago. I think we (well, I did a little work) made 4 or 5 starter sets which went to Ron, John Gray, EEK and Chris S. There are probably more available if you want a 78-79 basketball starter set. Don't expect any of the big HOFers though. Big thanks to Ken Morganti for arranging the swap this year. From what I could see, everything went off without a hitch. We could've used a bigger room and I could've been more organized but I didnt have anywhere near the stress that I usually have on swap nights. Sunday was a l-o-n-g day. Business is always slow that day at the National. Everyone is just waiting for things to wrap up. Ken found a few good tables for me. And we found one of the two 49 Bowman Browns that Kent Goto was hunting for. After that, I spent a few hours at a UV table digging up Red Sox and other modern stuff. I checked back with Kevin Savage at 2pm and found out they didnt really need me until 4pm. They ended up doing all the packing up themselves. I thought Id get off easy but no such luck. There was some huge mess (or use a more colorful word) with the dealers being able to pull into the back lot and load up. The cops weren't letting anyone in the lot. I ended up taking a cart 1/2 mile down the road a couple of times. I crossed a very busy street and about 30-40 dealers. It seemed like the day was going to stretch on forever but somehow, the pressure popped and dealers started pulling in. I helped them pack up the rest of their stuff in exchange for a ride back to the hotel. I got there to find Ken dead asleep in our room. I gave him Ray's key so he could crash after he had checked out of our room and left for his trip back. I read by the light of my laptop and then cracked the curtain open while I munched on pizza left over from the swap. Eventually, I crashed too. I woke up when I heard the door click closed. Ken had gone. He probably had woken up as soon as I started snoring. I went down to the desk to get a baggage cart to load my boxes on and was extremely unhappy when they said they didnt have any. People had probably put them in their rooms without concern for others. I spoke to the manager about a small refund in exchange for the service the hotel did not provide me. He didnt budge. Maybe its because I was a priceline guest rather than a full-rate guest. Even so, I was really angry. Loading up the car took 7 trips and an hour rather than 10 minutes. I got out of there finally, gassed up the car and went to IHOP. A couple of waitresses were arguing over the division of labor. I wasnt hungry but I had a big breakfast anyway and ate about 2/3 of it. I finished, got in the car and immediately missed my turn onto the highway. Eventually I got on the highway, only to miss another turn at a fork in the highway. After going about 5 miles further, I checked a map at a gas station and fixed the mistake. I eventually fell behind a pickup truck that was going about 80 or 90 mph. I parroted his every move for about 100 miles and even pulled into the rest stop when he did. But he gave me the slip. The rest of the trip was slower. I was getting tired and was driving slower and took more and more breaks. Once again, I pushed on and made it home at 2pm with a nap. I crashed, woke up, unloaded 90% of the car, checked my email and started writing this short report. Stay tuned for the detailed version. Lessons learned (and we'll see if I remember them for next time): 1. Start packing earlier. Maybe if I start preparing now, I'll be done in time for Anaheim. 2. Download all lists of people attending during the week. Don't depend on internet access. 3. Download everyone else's lists. 4. Bring some extra empty 400 count boxes to hold purchases. 5. Bring the printer. It was giving me problems this year so I decided to skip it. 6. Find someone to drive with. I came up with a possibility tonight. 7. Load up cell phone numbers of everyone attending before I hit the road. 8. If I do drive alone, have a contigency plan if I get too tired while ================= Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 02:07:39 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve's National Report (the short version) Steve and everybody, First...great report and I can not wait to until next year in Anaheim...many of the dealers mentioned are great...one in particular that Steve talked about is one of my favorites. Tik 'n Tik (and now 'n Tik since his grandson is starting to take an interest). Terry Knouse has been selling rare and difficult cards with an emphasis on pre-ww-1 cards. I first met Terry at the National in 1991 and bought my first Old Judge from him...he gave me a steep discount because I stood over his table and asked questions about everything. I saw things I had only read about...Lorillards, Yum Yum, Dog's Heads, OJ Cabinet cards, t206 proofs, e-107s, e-92 proofs, all sorts of stuff. After about an hour, I asked how much for the worst Old Judge he had...it had a sticker price of $70 in 1991 and was actually in g-vg shape. He said I could have it for $40 since I was interseted. Next time I saw him, was in 93 or 94 were he sold me a couple of square colgan's proofs and a tatoo orbit. This was at a paper ephemera show that always attracted a few baseball card dealers. I have seen him a few times since and he always lets me paw through his cards and he has forgotten more about esoteric items than I will ever know. Last time I saw him was a couple years ago at a Hollywood Park show and as I walked up he had a big smile on his face and reached under his table and pulled out a box of stuff and said "Look what I just bought last week." He remembered I was a Phillies collector and loved oddball stuff...it was a notebook with several t-206s glued into it...what makes it unique is that they were from the factory, had printers marks and notations in the book about the different factories and cigarette brands...one of these cards surfaced a little later as it was never produced in quantity and is a true proof. Terry sold the book privately and I know very few people got a chance to see it...I think Peter I. or Pat Sweeney may have been with me that day and remember it...Terry also showed me several wonderful Phillies items including the most expensive Phillie item I have seen, a N-173 Cabinet of Ed Delahanty that was pristine...I think he was asking 24,000 at the time and would probably command three times that today. Terry and his son are true great guys of the hobby and rank up their with Gar Miller and the late Frank Nagy with my cardboard dealer heroes...they helped shape the new generation of great OBC friendly dealers like Kevin Savage, Mark Macrae, and Roger N. As an aside...that L-shaped panel of four comes from the large box of Ding Dongs sold on the west coast if I recall...I do not own a panel like that. Thanks Steve! ================= Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 09:41:41 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: Al Bumbry Hi all- I am going to play a game this Saturday with Al Bumbry. It is a charity even for Children's Miracle Network (last year we played with Fergie Jenkins). Anyone have a list of Al's cards with year and number so I can dig through and see what I have for signing? ================= Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 07:47:27 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Al Bumbry (and player searches) http://www.beckett.com/priceguides/lookup.asp That does a player search by year range. After you search once they annoy you with a subscription notice, but click "Search Again" to get another shot. --- nthomas@pol.net wrote: > Hi all- > I am going to play a game this Saturday with Al Bumbry. It is a charity even > for Children's Miracle Network (last year we played with Fergie Jenkins). > Anyone have a list of Al's cards with year and number so I can dig through > and see what I have for signing? > Thanks, > Neal > Yahoo! Groups Links Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 21:00:01 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Rookies Recollections Hello All, My first appearance at the National Convention is now behind me and I can certainly say that it is everything everyone claims it to be. I only spent a day and a few hours but I had a fantastic time, met many fellow collectors for the first time and spent lots of $$$. Sound familiar? Well the drive in from the Detroit area was uneventful until hitting the Illinois border and then it was another 2 hour trip in bumper to bumper traffic to the Stevens Convention Center. The White Sox game was on the airways so the time passed quickly but I figure that I lost over an hour of "browse" time due to the traffic. Anyways, I arrived and was met in the lobby by Kent Goto and George Vrechek (one of many first introductions for the day). Kent was holding a dealer badge that Mike Rich had left for me so my entrance into the show was complementary. After saying hello to Larry Gersbach I made my way inside within minutes I spied someone in an OBC cap heading my way and Kevin Martens became the second new members who I had the pleasure of meeting. His wife grabbed a quick picture to capture the moment and I was off again. Chris Stufflestreet would be the next person I saw and with his advice I headed toward my first table. My first table stop was with Chuck Johnson - I picked up some `55 and `56 Topps stars (Killebrew RC, Mathews, Score, Teams cards, etcc..). Chuck gave me a great deal and I was on my way. FOOT members Ron Perry and EEK Kilbourn were standing around Dick Zimmerman's table, after some chit-chat I was digging through cardboard and walked away with a 500 count dupe box filler and some Basketball Tall Boys (Goodrich, Cunningham, Bing and Bradley) to do some damage to those seldom hit sets. By now there were only minutes remaining and I wandered around till almost 6:30 and I made my way to the exits. Outside I found EEK, Chris and Ron waiting on a shuttle so I offered them a lift and Ron took me up on it. We walked to the car and got a call from Mike Rich who needed a ride from the train station so Ron and I went there. Soon Mike followed by Ray Luurs and Steve Rittenberg appeared and we "squeezed them into the back set of my Firebird (quite a feat of engineering). We laughed and carried on for the couple mile trip back to the hotel where the "swap-fest" would soon be taking place. The "lowrider" Firebird made it safe and sound though the suspension system got a workout. Members were soon arriving for the swap. The swap is by far the most enjoyable part of attending the convention, I went to the swap last year but was unable to make it to the show. At the swap (or show) I met 8 members for the first time; Gary Mandell, Kevin Martens, Ray Luurs, George Vrecheck, John Scott Gray, Mike Wierzbicki, Larry Zurawski and Randy Wilberg from VCT. We sat and chatted, ate pizza, threw dupe boxes at each other, passed out cardboard and just had a grand time. I closed the place at around 1 a.m with Steve, Mike, Ken Morgantti, EEK and Ron. Ken was kind enough to allow me to split the cost of his room thus saving me the expense of having to get my own. Ken was a gracious host as I continued to "jawbone" for another hour or so. Day 2 at the show was once again complementary thanks to Chris Stufflestreet who allowed me to use his "dealer" badge since he would not be attending the show himself. Kevin Savage, who had sponsored our swap had some boxes I had to look through and 40 more cards were soon in my possession. I visited Bob Koehler's table and picked up 16 Redman's, he is a very nice dealer. I wanted to meet Kurt Tourdot who I have dealt with through the mail so Mike Rich Lead me to his table and soon 60 more cards were in my possession. Kurt is a good guy as well, not much of a deal but I got some nice stuff. Other dealers I visited were Roger Neufeldt who had some `60 Nu-card Scoops for me, JD ? where I got some `65 Uglies (Topps transfers), Wayne Varner for some footballers and I went over and said hello to Bill Henderson (the King of Commons). For the most part - nice folks to meet. By now the show was coming to a close and the 6 hour drive home was ahead of me. Mike Rich and I attempted to caravan but soon got separated in the Chi-Town traffic (even on a Sunday evening). All in all - I had a great time. I saw many things I probably would not have seen elsewhere (T-206 Wagner for one), met some nice OBC friendly dealers, got together with good collector friends. It was a memorable, with many more thanks to share on the "flying cardboard" to get out at a later time. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ================= Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 00:53:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob D'Angelo" Subject: A bit off topic, but I need some opinions Hi gang, Just curious as to what y'all think -- what in your minds are the best books ever written about football. You can already skip Instant Replay, Friday Night Lights, North Dallas Forty, Paper Lion and Out of Their League. I am wondering if I am missing anything obvious here. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:08:11 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A bit off topic, but I need some opinions I just finished reading a book about George Allen (5th quarter). It was written by his daughter. It is more about the behind the scenes look at how a dedicated football coach losing touch with his family. I thought that itwas very good. If anyone wants to read it, send me a note and I forward it to you. Mark Holland ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob D'Angelo To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A bit off topic, but I need some opinions Hi gang, Just curious as to what y'all think -- what in your minds are the best books ever written about football. You can already skip Instant Replay, Friday Night Lights, North Dallas Forty, Paper Lion and Out of Their League. I am wondering if I am missing anything obvious here. SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 18:21:55 -0700 From: "Mike Diamanti" Subject: No Combined shipping Well Guys & Gals: I have now experienced first-hand, the =93I don=92t combine shipping=94 position of an Ebay Seller. Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been tipped off by his shipping charge $4.95 The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=92s right my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=92m so pissed I can=92t see straight=85 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked his last completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% buyers. I=92m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=92t COMBINE SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =96 he said =96 =93I mail them separately=94. What a jerk. Before that he said he mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=85.Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. You can=92t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing what his auction listing says =96 charging $4.95 for shipping=85.. Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ================= To: , Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 20:43:39 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping that's a bummer-- maybe you can't leave negative feedback, but you can certainly leave four neutrals (or even positives), and warn all buyers four times not to do business with the guy. Wait until after he leaves you feedback (although asses like this often don't leave it at all). But you should be able to place him in a position where, even if he should neg you unfairly, he will be revealed as not playing by the customary standards of ebay decency. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Diamanti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Well Guys & Gals: I have now experienced first-hand, the =93I don=92t combine shipping=94 position of an Ebay Seller. Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been tipped off by his shipping charge $4.95 The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=92s right =96 my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=92m so pissed I can=92t see straight=85 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked hislast completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% buyers. I=92m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=92t COMBINE SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =96 he said =96=93I mail them separately=94. What a jerk. Before that he said he mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=85.Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. You can=92t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing what his auction listing says =96 charging $4.95 for shipping=85.. Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ================= Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 21:45:12 EDT To: diamanti@whidbey.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Content-Language: en In a message dated 8/2/2005 6:22:28 PM Pacific Standard Time, diamanti@whidbey.net writes: Well Guys & Gals: I have now experienced first-hand, the =E2=9CI don=E2=99t combine shipping=E2=9D of an Ebay Seller. Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been tippedoff by his shipping charge $4.95 The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=E2=99s right =E2=93 my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=E2=99m so pissed can=E2=99t see straight=E2=A6 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checkedhis last completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% buyers. I=E2=99m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and maybe even mailed ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=E2=99t COMBINE SHIPPING. I e-mailed politely the second time stating that my cards totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =E2=93 he said =E2=93 =E2=9CI mail them separately=E2=9D. What a jerk. Before that he said he mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=E2=A6.Let OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. You can=E2=99t leave neg. feedback for a guy this because he is only doing what his auction listing says =E2=93 charging for shipping=E2=A6.. Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti NOT TRUE!!! If you do not get 4 seperate packages each with around $4 worth of postage, I would absolutely leave negative feedback and state that he was going to ship seperately and that he ripped you off on shipping...do not let people get away with this crap. It is against ebay policy to inflate shipping costs and you can report that as well. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2005 22:01:54 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping What you buying Mike? I'll combine shipping.....$8 for the lot. Seriously, I refuse to pay more than $2 for less than 5 cards. Ebay shipping costs are out of control. I would at leave him "Neutral" feedback to flag others about his shipping policy. I consider a neutral almost like a negative. My 2 cents worth. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Diamanti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Well Guys & Gals: I have now experienced first-hand, the =93I don=92t combine shipping=94 position of an Ebay Seller. Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been tipped off by his shipping charge $4.95 The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=92s right =96 my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=92m so pissed I can=92t see straight=85 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked hislast completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% buyers. I=92m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=92t COMBINE SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =96 he said =96=93I mail them separately=94. What a jerk. Before that he said he mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=85.Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. You can=92t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing what his auction listing says =96 charging $4.95 for shipping=85.. Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ================= To: , Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 05:20:47 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Mike -- Personally, I wouldn't buy them. Sure, he'll leave you negative feedback, but who cares? Everyone gets really concerned about their feedback for no good reason - it really doesn't matter. After he leaves it, you can say what the reason was and anyone looking at it will see he was a jerk. I doubttoo many people are going to say no to your money because you have a few negatives. It beats being pissed off... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Diamanti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 2:21 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Well Guys & Gals: I have now experienced first-hand, the =93I don=92t combine shipping=94 position of an Ebay Seller. Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been tipped off by his shipping charge $4.95 The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=92s right =96 my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=92m so pissed I can=92t see straight=85 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked hislast completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% buyers. I=92m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=92t COMBINE SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =96 he said =96=93I mail them separately=94. What a jerk. Before that he said he mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=85.Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. You can=92t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing what his auction listing says =96 charging $4.95 for shipping=85.. Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ================= Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 04:48:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich car tour Later today starts the Mike Rich car tour for most of August. Initial stop is Toronto (Carlos let me know if you read this). Blue Jays on the 5th. August 7-9 Rochester, NY (Rochester Red Wings? on the 9th) August 10 Cooperstown and Oneonta Tigers at nite August 11 back to Cooperstown August 12 Springfield, MA for the BSKB HOF then into Boston August 13 Boston (Red Sox) August 14 Boston area and maybe the Lowell SPinners August 15 Boston August 16-17 NYC. Mets on the 17th August 18-20 Philly/Bethlehem, PA. Phillies on the 19th. August 21-25 Baltimore, DC, VA area. August 22 Bowie Bay Sox; 23rd Orioles; 24th Washington Nationals; 25th Potomoac Nationals. August 26-27 Pittsburgh (Pirates on the 26th) August 28 Cleveland August 29 Toledo August 30 back to Detroit Please let me know if available to join me/us for any game (only 2 tickets to the Red Sox and Ken Morganti already grabbed that). Most other games we will buy tickets there. I am staying with relatives in some cities and OBCers in others. Kevin and Joanne Martens have offered me a roof over my head on Long Island and Rick Svetecz has done likewise in the Bethleham/Philly area. Steve Rittenberg and maybe even Peter Mead may have a house guest in the Baltimore/DC area. I will try and post rambles periodically, but may stay off the computer for the most part. I still need to get a digital camera to take memories of the trip. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 09:31:33 -0400 To: "Mike Diamanti" , From: Sean McGowan Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping I agree with Geno. Don't buy them. Send him an email explaining calmly that you made a mistake by not asking him about combining shipping. Tell him you are very sorry, but unless he mails them all in one package for $4.95, you will have to "pass" and not buy the cards. You can even mention that if he leaves you neg feedback, you will respond with an explanation, and leave him neutral feedback with the same explanation. If you explain it calmly, there may be a chance that he decides to go ahead and take the sale, rather than re-list the cards. Good luck. Let us know how it works out. At 09:21 PM 8/2/2005, Mike Diamanti wrote: >Well Guys & Gals: >I have now experienced first-hand, the =93I don=92t combine shipping=94 position >of an Ebay Seller. >Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing >him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards >on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been >tipped off by his shipping charge $4.95 >The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That=92s right >=96 my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I=92m so pissed >I can=92t see straight=85 His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked his last >completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% >buyers. I=92m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and >maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn=92t COMBINE >SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards >totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice =96 he >said =96 =93I mail them separately=94. What a jerk. Before that he said he >mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap=85.Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. >You can=92t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing >what his auction listing says =96 charging $4.95 for shipping=85.. >Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti >SPONSORED LINKS >card display >card display case >baseball cards >baseball card >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > * Visit your group > "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 ================= To: Sean McGowan , "Mike Diamanti" , Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:38:04 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Combined shipping Thumbs up on Sean's suggestion - Good Luck Mike. REGARDS ------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- I agree with Geno. Don't buy them. Send him an email explaining calmly that you made a mistake by not asking him about combining shipping. Tell him you are very sorry, but unless he mails them all in one package for $4.95, you will have to "pass" and not buy the cards. You can even mention that if he leaves you neg feedback, you will respond with an explanation, and leave him neutral feedback with the same explanation. If you explain it calmly, there may be a chance that he decides to go ahead and take the sale, rather than re-list the cards. Good luck. Let us know how it works out. At 09:21 PM 8/2/2005, Mike Diamanti wrote: >Well Guys & Gals: >I have now experienced first-hand, the “I don’t combine shipping” position >of an Ebay Seller. >Foolishly, I waited until I had bid on 4 of his cards, before e-mailing >him and asking if he combined shipping. In nearly 3 years of buying cards >on Ebay I have NEVER had anyone refuse to do this. I should have been >tipped off by his shipping charge = $4.95 >The result was: I won 4 each 1954 Topps cards for .99 each. That’s right >– my cards totaled: $3.96 and my shipping totaled: $19.80. I’m so pissed >I can’t see straight… His Ebay ID is: chris4shrt I checked his last >completed sales - - out of about 200 sales I would say he had 7-8% >buyers. I’m guessing everyone else read his $4.95 shipping charge and >maybe even mailed him ahead of time, only to find out he doesn’t COMBINE >SHIPPING. I e-mailed him politely the second time stating that my cards >totaled less than $4 and my shipping totaled nearly $20. No dice – he >said – “I mail them separately”. What a jerk. Before that he said he >mailed them wrapped in bubble wrap….Let all OBC folk beware of chris4shrt. >You can’t leave neg. feedback for a guy like this because he is only doing >what his auction listing says – charging $4.95 for shipping….. >Islandcoffeeman Mike Diamanti >SPONSORED LINKS >Baseball >Baseball >card display >Baseball >card display case >Beckett >baseball cards >Vintage >baseball card >Baseball >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > * Visit your group > "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 7/28/2005 YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 20:09:56 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Football Books I enjoyed Halas by George Halas which gave you a good feel of the early days of football (through the 1970s) and the economics (no surprise given it was Halas' viewpoint.) He gives the win and loss records along with the annual profit and loss. There are 2 books on Lombardi that I also liked but they are a bit more about the man than football per se: "Vince" and "When Pride Still Mattered." Iliked "Vince" a little more. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 22:48:22 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: t206s on ebay To the 06 collectors in the crowd: The seller named "thecapeleague" has a few nice T206s on ebay now, with BINs of $19-20 apiece. They look like nice clean VG cards with little or no damage. Seem like pretty good buys to me ================= To: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 06:18:59 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: National Trip Well it only took me 4 days to write this message, my first National has now come and gone, I had a great time on this trip. My main goal for attending the show was to meet up with as many fellas as I could. My wife decided to go with me at the last minute and we ended up loading the truck up and heading out Tuesday night a 6:30pm for what we thought would be an 8hr trip up to Chicago. After just under 6hrs, we were almost to Joliet when I called the hotel where we were staying (W-F) and tried to wrangle an extra night out of them at my priceline.com rate. After much deliberation (complaining and whining also made an appearance) they wouldn't budge from the normal $85 rate and I decided that I would be stubborn and not pay twice the rate ($40/night) I already had with my reservations. Surely I could get another room for less here in Joliet. I saw the Best Western sign, pulled into the lot and staggered into the lobby around 1am. "Yes sir" they said, "we have rooms for $85 a night". So, I made another call or two and found that this is probably the going rate for the area. Weighing the options, we decided to stay there and pay the rate instead of driving on in to Des We grabbed only the important items and headed to the room where I promptly went to bed. After being tired for the last 2 hours of the trip, my wife gets a burst of energy and decides to watch a movie before coming to bed. My head barely hit the pillow when the phone rang one time. I answered and no one was there. Huh, that's funny I thought. About an hour later, the phone rings again and I answer it with a little rougher tone and again no one is there. I was getting a bit miffed, but that quickly faded as I fell back asleep before I could even finish my thought. After this happened 3 or 4 more times during my sleep I politely took the phone off the hook and nearly threw it across the room, but again, I fell asleep before I could follow through with the thought. Even though the dang thing was off-hook it still rang, 2 or 3 more times until I finally got up around 7:30am. I was a little tired and quite steamed at my nearly $12/hr room for not getting much rest. We decided to hit the road and head out to Des Plaines to check into our room and take in a few sites before the show. Upon checkout I made mention of the problems with the phone during the night and they told me that they had a phone glitch and that this happened in every room of the Hotel. They said it rang once every 30 - 45 minutes and they'd had a bunch of complaints about the issue. Of course they were not going to refund any of my money on the room though...gee, what a surprise. Even laying on the sarcasm very thick, they wouldn't budge...and believe you me, I can pour on the sarcasm with many years of training for such events. But hey, this is a vacation and I'm not going to let it get to me, so off we went. Made it to our new hotel and found that they won't allow us to check in until 3pm....sigh. Okay, we went out looking for things to do until check-in. Found a mall for the wife to kill some time and I tagged along since I knew she was going to attend the show with me later that evening. Shopping is not my thing as with most guys, but I figured I owed her a little time since I'd be tied up (not literally) the rest of the trip. Fast forward to show Wed night. Holy cardboard Batman ! Now I've been to a few shows in my life (50 tables being the largest) but nothing compares to this and the online photos I had perused since Feb could never due justice to the ocean that stood before me. At this point I was really regretting the fact that I brought only a small amount of money as I still haven't paid all my doctor bills from my recent illness. Hindsight shows that it actually was a good move as I really would have had to hock the house to fund my cardboard habit. This place had everything you could ever ask for in a card show. We started out walking down the first row and I pass up Bill Henderson's table without even so much as a glance as my eyes must not have been focusing right with the tears of joy streaming down my face. The first table I stopped at was Dick Zimmerman's and I promptly spend almost all my money as I was giddy as a school girl and still being a little overwhelmed with actually being at the show. I had a nice chat with Dick and picked up a nice batch of cards for the dupes box along with 11 variations to add to my collection. Along with those cards I confirmed another 73 Topps variation of Jose Cardinal, more on that in another posting. The next two hours were spent just browsing the other tables as I was bound and determined to see everything before I spent what little money I had left. Around 7:30 or so I went outside for a smoke break and met my first OBCers, Ken Morganti, Kent Goto, and Sal Domino. They were just arriving to the show from the ballgame and we had a nice chat. The wife and I decided to head out for the evening and have dinner. We ate at Chili's and the food was pretty good even for someone who has to have low fat all the time now. As we were waiting on the check, I received a call from Sal inviting us to have dinner with the guys at Chili's. We hung around the restaurant until the guys arrived. I met Ray Luurs and Steve Rittenberg at the table with Ken, Kent and Sal. We headed back to the hotel as I still had quite a bit to do with my lists to streamline things a bit and also needed to get some much needed sleep. Finally hit the sack around 1am and bringing my laptop and printer proved to be a good thing as I noticed I forgot the wantlists I had printed before we left home. Thursday morning I had breakfast with Ken and Ray at IHOP. I also received my OBC PTC set from Ken that I won on eBay from the John Ball auction, free shipping !Back to the show where I had determined to look at every vintage baseball table while skipping all the other stuff. That proved to be quite a feat and I did not reach the unattainable goal I had set...rookie mistake. Even though I made a gallant effort and even wore blisters on my feat due to the brand new shoes I was wearing, I did make a bit of progress on my 57 mid series needs. I thought I'd remember all the names of the guys I bought cards from, but I definitely should have wrote them down. At the show I did make progress on my quest to meet everyone in attendance that I knew from the my trading groups. I met fellow OBCers Mike W, Mike Rich, Tom Housely and I also met fellow OCTer Dave Lorenz who was attending the show for just a few hours. Later that evening, I got to meet Chris Stufflestreet at the mini-swap and he handed me three 52s that I needed. Ray let me rifle through his dupes box which netted me a nice 65 High number getting me ever closer to putting that set to bed. Mike Rich autographed his PTC for me to add to my almost complete set. Hey Mike, nobody even looks at the stuff in the background anyway....so don't get down in the "dumps" over it okay. :) Thanks for the auto and I'm nearly complete on my OBC 2005 (Master) set ! Steve then started brining out his dupes and I must say that he pretty much should have just got a table at the show, I know I could've spent quite a bit just grabbing cards on my primary lists, not to mention any of the other stuff I collect. I was overwhelmed with gifts in the form of 57 (mid series), 58 stars, 59 highs, 62 highs, 63 highs, 64 highs, 65 highs, 66 highs and 67 highs ! I did better in his boxes than I did at the National. Thanks for all the great help ! Steve also handed me a nice box of non-sport cards I needed on lists that aren't published anymore. I nearly forgot that box on the way out, but he noticed my mistake and spoke up, thanks for not letting me forget them. For me, the swap was the best part of the trip. And how could I forget Mike Wierzbicki who takes a big card of the lists and #10 on my Top Ten list with a 59 Banks. Hand delivered at the show and a super addition to my collection. Thanks again Mike ! Friday I met EEK and Ron Perry while searching the floor for more people I hadn't met yet. I also met up with fellow VCTers Jimi Thayer, Bryan Long and Richard Bondy (fellow Atlantian) who purchased a nice 62 Angels inset photo variation for me, Thanks Richard ! Stopped off at Bill Henderson's table to talk a little shop and Sal passed along a 66 Oliva that brings that set within a mere 41 cards, Thanks Sal. I kept missing Kevin Martens and his wife for 3 days, still puzzled on that one. I also missed seeing my mentor Gary Mandell and several other members that were in attendance. Still I was pleased that I did meet a total of 15 online acquaintances during the trip. Rode the shuttle back to the hotel where JSG was standing in the lobby greeting everyone in assembly line fashion. I was not able to attend the BBQ as the wife had already made plans for supper that evening without telling me. We left Saturday morning around 7:30am which was about 3 hrs later than I wanted to leave. I used the extra time to start organizing my treasures from the trip so that updating my lists would go a lot smoother when I got home. After arriving home and updating my lists, I see that I am within striking distance on 3 sets and I completed my 56 set with the Cardinals Team card. I'd like to say Thanks again to each of the guys I received cards from and also for the hospitality shown me during the trip. I definitely plan to be in attendance again next year. My Topps Run now stands at 703 cards left excluding variations and here are the stats on the 3 near complete sets that had the most damage done. If I'd known that I would have gotten this close, I probably would have found a way to buy these cards at the show. 1958 - Need: 3 more card(s) 1960 - Need: 6 more card(s) 1965 - Need: 3 more card(s) All in all it was a wonderful trip and experience. I met a great bunch of guys at the show and had fun playing with cardboard for 4 days....does it get any better than that ? ================= Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 12:06:46 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Type collection update with scans Hey all, Good to read all the National reports out there. Took some inspiration from all the card action to update my type collection page, now with scans of everything in the collection! More #5s than you can shake several sticks at. http://obcspike.50megs.com/type.html Last year, Bob Donaldson gave me this card: http://obcspike.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/type/1970_Cuban.jpg It looks like a playing card, but not sure what game if so. Anyone see a card like this before? Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type collection update with scans It looks to me like one golfer wrapping his club around the neck of another. Maybe it is a depiction of one of the Vegas golf tourneys of the past few years. Mybe even Vegas '05?? I hear the competition can be heated and the participants can get physical at times!! > Hey all, > Good to read all the National reports out there. Took some inspiration > from all the card action to update my type collection page, now with scans > of everything in the collection! More #5s than you can shake several > sticks at. > http://obcspike.50megs.com/type.html > Last year, Bob Donaldson gave me this card: > http://obcspike.50megs.com/cgi-bin/i/type/1970_Cuban.jpg > It looks like a playing card, but not sure what game if so. Anyone see a > card like this before? > Spike > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 19:36:21 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: Availables 52 - 69 with variations I put a large batch of dupes and variations I have available on my website so drop me a line if you see something you need. All cards are LOW grade. :) I'll put more out here as I get more time to type them into the list. Looking to spread some generosity shown me while I was in the hosptial. http://showmesavants.com/baseball/Dupes.htm Take Care, ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 20:48:30 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Can you help me find a Livestrong and breast cancer bracelet? Did someone post a message a month or two back saying they had livestrong (yellow) and/or other bracelets for sale to help their local charity? I'd like to get a couple for a friend. I can go directly to the livestrong website but Id need to buy 10 and I wouldnt know what to do with the extra nine. Any help is appreciated. ================= To: "OCT" , Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 22:36:37 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: 33 Goudey's Available A few more cards go on the block tonight. All cards are in the same "well-loved" condition as with any other card you will find in my 152 - Taylor 205 - Meine 199 - Bridges 178 - Warner 159 - Bluege 137 - Lucas 238 - Critz 235 - Fitzsimmons 231 - Moore 219 - Haas 206 - Suhr 185 - Smith 179 - Leach 175 - Howley 161 - Spohrer 135 - English 126 - Moore 123 - Russell 75 - Kamm As with all my availables, I don't use the first come, first serve method. I try to ensure that anyone who is interested in something gets a fair shake. So what are you waiting for ? Give me a shout. ================= Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:11:05 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Pictures from the National Ok Boys, Haven't had much time to recap the events yet, but I figured I better get these pics up so you guys can see how much fun we had. http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8AZt3LJo0bNmFR Overall, blanket thanks to all the folks that made it to Chi-Town and passed cardboard over my way. I had a blast as always, even if it was at the expense of embarrassing Ken on the subway ! PS- Larry is one TALLLLLLLLLL dude! (yeah, yeah, I know the next comment is "but that is because you are one shorrrrttttt dude!") LOL ================= Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2005 17:06:17 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bdangelo@aol.com Subject: I may have made a mistake in my thanks Hi gang, The other day I thanked Eric Greenwood for some 1969 Topps football. Erik told me it wasn't me and might have been EEK. To whoever sent the cards, I thank you for them and apologize for not crediting it properly. Please e-mail so I know who really did send them :). -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 7 Aug 2005 16:57:59 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1535 There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Pictures from the National From: ChicoD1@aol.com Message: 1 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2005 00:11:05 EDT From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Pictures from the National Ok Boys, Haven't had much time to recap the events yet, but I figured I better get these pics up so you guys can see how much fun we had. http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8AZt3LJo0bNmFR Overall, blanket thanks to all the folks that made it to Chi-Town and passed cardboard over my way. I had a blast as always, even if it was at the expense of embarrassing Ken on the subway ! PS- Larry is one TALLLLLLLLLL dude! (yeah, yeah, I know the next comment is "but that is because you are one shorrrrttttt dude!") LOL [This message contained attachments] Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:32:44 -0400 To: bdangelo@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I may have made a mistake in my thanks The mystery continues, it weren't me! We keep what we give away! ================= To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 18:27:21 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: 1968 Venezuelan Willie Mays anyone?? OBCers -- Anybody looking for a cool, rare Willie Mays card? Here's one in true OBC shape for an opening bid of only $8... http://cgi.ebay.com/1968-TOPPS-VENEZUELAN-WILLIE-MAYS-HOF-GIANTS-50-RARE_W0QQitemZ5222070229QQcategoryZ60496QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:50:21 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: some set killers needed Content-Language: en Hello fellow carboardians; I am on vacation, bored to tears and am looking for things to do. So, I thought I would reach out and ask for help on some sets that are almost complete. Close on condition is ok. Thanks for looking. Bob Bannon 1973 Topps:I need: 588 exmt 1973 Topps variations: 131b Popowski right ear showing,257b Dark-pale backgrounds, 486b, 517b Mazeroski has right ear 1972 Topps:I Need: exmt+ 1967 #=E2=99s (need) 577.583.584.590.592.602.606.607stanley ex+ 1962 #157 1960 #=E2=99s(I need) 563micas.564maysas vg+ to ex 1955 Bowman #'s I need 22.59.68.202.294.296.306vg or better ================= To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:07:10 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: More bait...Linnett Superstars anyone? OBCers -- I keep getting outbid for commons I need - some clown just won seven 1975 Red Sox commons for $10.50...what in the world is going on?!? Anyway, here's a few I need for my WS sets. I have some 1976 Linnett Pee-Wee Superstars to offer if you want one. I have Reds and Red Sox only (Peter, I found the rest of the Dodgers I was looking for and they are on the way). Let me know if you want one, although they are actually in pairs. Here's my beggar's list: 1975 (Topps, OPC, or Mini): 232, 333, 465, 513, 562 1975 (OPC or Mini only): 452 1974 (Topps or OPC): 103, 106, 122, 180, 189, 212, 264, 267, 291, 358, 420, 448, 461, 470, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 545, 551, 654, 1973 (Topps or OPC): 4, 30, 60, 84, 93, 137, 138, 161, 163, 184, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 223, 226, 235, 315, 329, 406, 407, 430, 456, 492, 524, 540, 562, 590, 605, 625, 647, 652 1972 (Topps or OPC): 17, 23, 62, 72, 132, 221, 222, 223, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 236, 256, 269, 311, 312, 395, 406, 417, 475, 481, 537, 542, 546, 586, 614, 670, 685, 715, 719, 745, 780 That's probably enough begging for now...thanks for checking! Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:25:33 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1968 Venezuelan Willie Mays anyone?? I just looked this card up and it books for $650! Of course this one is hardly in that category... ----- Original Message ----- From: "geno.wagner" To: Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 6:27 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1968 Venezuelan Willie Mays anyone?? > OBCers -- > Anybody looking for a cool, rare Willie Mays card? Here's one in true OBC > shape for an opening bid of only $8... > http://cgi.ebay.com/1968-TOPPS-VENEZUELAN-WILLIE-MAYS-HOF-GIANTS-50-RARE_W0QQitemZ5222070229QQcategoryZ60496QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > Take Care, Geno > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2005 21:20:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Larry Zurawski" Subject: Team Checklists for Tobacco Cards? Hi OBCers, Does anybody know of any team checklists for Tobacco cards and other early issues? I'm starting to go way, way, back in my Cubs collection, working on team sets for T-205, T-206, M-116, etc. I have the Team Checklist book that includes most major issues since the 1930's, but haven't found anything from further back than that. Larry Z ================= Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:45:24 EDT To: lwzurawski@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Team Checklists for Tobacco Cards? Here's a list of Cubs in T213-2. T213 Cubs Player Pose Team Bresnahan Cubs Brown Cubs Doolan Batting Cubs Doolan Fielding Cubs Leach Cubs Murray Cubs Needham Cubs Schulte Cubs Sweeney Cubs Tinker Bat Off Sldr Cubs Tinker Bat On Sldr Cubs Zimmerman ================= Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 19:56:30 EDT To: lwzurawski@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Team Checklists for Tobacco Cards? More Cubs lists Archer, Brown, Chance, Cole, Evers, Hofman, Overall, Schulte, Sheckard, Steinfeldt, Tinker E91-A (Chicago is the bottom checklist on the back) Chance, Evers, Steinfeldt, Tinker, Shulte, Slagle, Scheckard, Kling, Reulbach, Brown, Overall E91-B (New York is the bottom checklist on the back) Chance, Evers, Steinfeldt, Tinker, Shulte, HOffman, Scheckard, Archer, Reulbach, Brown, Overall E92 Croft Cocoa, Croft Candy, Dockman, Nadja & E101 & E105 Chance, Evers, Tinker, Zimmerman Brown, Chance, Evers, Tinker Chance, Evers Chance, Evers, Hoffman, Reulbach Brown, Kling, Pfeister, Tinker Kroh, Steinfeld, Sullivan Brown, Chance, Evers, Kling, Tinker E99, E100 Evers, Tinker, Zimmerman Brown, Chance E104-1 & E104-2 none E104-3 might have one, doubtful, but possible - this checklist is still not complete as these are so rare Bresnahan, Zimmerman ================= Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:39:36 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Fwd: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) Here's a clip from Old Cardboard's National show report: On Friday evening, following a day of buying, selling and trading vintage cards at the show, members of the Network 54 Vintage Baseball Card Forum converged on nearby Shoeless Joe’s Sports Bar for an evening of fun, food and lively discussions about their latest vintage baseball card finds. With more than 35 people in attendance, the group is among the largest (if not, the largest) gathering of collectors of old cardboard ever assembled in one place. The forum consists of members from a large cross-section of geographically dispersed areas. The members also represent a wide variety of vintage collecting interests, with specialists in 19th century cards and memorabilia, early 20th century caramel, candy and tobacco cards, postcards, Exhibits, newspaper supplements, and much more. Any OBCers familiar with Network 54, or already members themselves? For being such a large, old card group, I'm surprised this was the first I'd heard of them. Do we have a "Sharks and Jets" style collecting rival? :) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 11:34:53 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) There are a number of OBCers who belong to network54. Here's the url http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652 It's a discussion group focuses on pre war (mainly pre WWI cards). A lot of the members are dealers and high end collectors. They are very knowledgable and you can get some good information there. The downside is a lot of the talk is about grading (very heated discussions on PSA vs. SGC) and sometimes there is a bit of bickering that goes on between members that can get pretty silly. I don't think I'd consider them a rival to OBC but it's a good place to check into for information on older cards. Original Message: From: Matthew obc_spike@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 07:39:36 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) Here's a clip from Old Cardboard's National show report: On Friday evening, following a day of buying, selling and trading vintage at the show, members of the Network 54 Vintage Baseball Card Forum converged on nearby Shoeless Joe=92s Sports Bar for an evening of fun, food and lively discussions about their latest vintage baseball card finds. With more than people in attendance, the group is among the largest (if not, the largest) gathering of collectors of old cardboard ever assembled in one place. The forum consists of members from a large cross-section of geographically dispersed areas. The members also represent a wide variety of vintage collecting interests, with specialists in 19th century cards and early 20th century caramel, candy and tobacco cards, postcards, Exhibits, newspaper supplements, and much more. Any OBCers familiar with Network 54, or already members themselves? For such a large, old card group, I'm surprised this was the first I'd heard of them. Do we have a "Sharks and Jets" style collecting rival? :) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 13:36:35 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Catfish's Wantlist This is my first wantlist sent out since returning to active status. It's great to be back and I look forward to getting to know all the new guys, catching up with all the old timers, and slinging around some old cardboard! All hits are appreciated. Take care, ...Save the gum for me! Last Updated: 8/08/05 Tom Brewer Wantlist: Tom Brewer is from my hometown of Cheraw, SC. He pitched for the Red Sox from 1954 to 1962. His best season was 1956, when he went 19-9 (best for the Sox, 6th best in AL), hurling 15 CGs, with 4 Shutouts. He also pitched in the 1956 All-Star Game. 1955 Topps Doubleheader #128 (with some guy named Spahn, go figure) 1956 July 9, 1956 Sports Illustrated All-Star Game Preview issue (pictured on cover) 1959 Topps Venezuelan #55 1961 Topps Stamps #108 1962 Salada coins #4 1962 Shirriff coins #4 1958 Red Sox Jay Publishing #1 1959 Red Sox Jay Publishing #1 1960 Red Sox Jay Publishing #1 1981 Red Sox Boston Globe #9 1956 Topps Wantlist (Tiptons all the way): 004 005 006 007 008 010 011 013 014 019 022 023 024 025 029 030 032 033 035 037 039 040 041 042 047 051 057 058 059 061 065 067 068 069 070 071 072 074 075 076 077 079 081 085 088 089 090 091 092 093 094 095 096 097 098 099 103 104 109 110 113 114 115 117 118 119 120 121 123 124 125 127 129 130 131 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 142 143 145 146 147 148 150 153 154 164 166 169 171 173 174 176 177 178 180 181 182 183 184 185 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 210 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 221 223 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255 258 259 261 262 263 265 267 268 269 271 272 273 275 276 279 280 283 284 285 287 288 291 292 294 295 296 298 303 304 305 307 308 311 314 315 316 318 319 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 330 331 333 334 337 338 339 340 342 343 344 346 349 350 351 352 355 358 359 360 361 362 363 365 366 367 368 371 372 373 374 375 376 382 383 384 385 386 387 389 390 393 394 395 397 400 401 408 409 415 417 419 420 424 428 430 431 432 434 435 436 438 441 442 443 445 446 450 452 453 455 457 459 461 462 463 464 465 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 484 485 488 491 492 493 495 1959 Topps Wantlist (Tiptons all the way): 001 004 008 009 010 012 013 014 015 016 017 019 020 021 023 024 025 026 027 030 031 032 034 035 036 038 039 040 042 043 044 045 046 047 048 049 052 057 058 060 061 062 064 065 066 067 068 071 073 074 076 077 080 081 082 084 086 087 088 089 090 092 093 095 096 097 099 101 102 103 104 105 110 115 116 117 118 119 121 122 123 124 125 129 130 131 133 135 136 137 142 144 145 150 151 154 155 159 160 162 163 164 166 167 168 170 186 190 195 196 198 202 204 205 206 207 209 210 212 213 215 217 220 225 228 229 231 233 235 237 238 239 240 242 243 244 248 251 254 255 261 268 270 272 276 286 291 296 297 301 306 308 312 316 317 318 321 324 326 327 331 338 339 340 345 347 349 353 355 357 361 363 364 366 367 371 374 376 378 379 380 383 384 390 391 392 393 396 397 398 402 404 410 412 413 417 421 427 428 429 432 439 440 442 447 448 450 451 455 457 461 463 464 465 466 467 469 470 471 477 478 480 481 486 489 491 494 495 499 500 504 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 521 522 523 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 562 564 565 566 567 569 570 571 572 1960 Topps Wantlist (Tiptons all the way): 003 006 007 010 011 014 018 020 021 022 023 026 028 032 033 034 035 039 041 042 044 047 048 049 050 051 055 058 059 061 062 064 065 068 070 072 073 074 077 078 081 083 086 087 090 091 092 094 095 096 098 099 101 108 112 113 115 117 127 131 132 135 136 148 150 159 160 161 168 171 173 176 183 188 192 193 194 205 212 213 214 215 216 217 221 225 226 227 228 229 230 233 244 247 250 258 259 262 264 265 267 269 270 271 274 275 277 279 280 281 282 283 284 287 289 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 304 305 306 307 309 310 311 312 313 315 316 317 318 320 321 323 325 326 328 329 330 332 333 334 335 338 339 340 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 352 353 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 366 367 370 372 377 378 379 381 383 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 393 394 395 396 398 400 401 403 405 408 412 413 418 419 420 423 424 425 426 430 433 434 435 436 437 438 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 474 475 477 478 479 480 481 482 484 485 486 487 488 490 491 493 494 495 496 499 500 501 503 504 505 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 570 572 1970 Topps Wantlist (condition unimportant): 010 064 066 149 154 158 160 166 172 180 189 190 196 197 198 199 202 211 213 224 226 230 250 251 300 321 333 350 363 380 407 410 450 451 453 458 459 460 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 470 475 476 477 491 492 493 499 500 502 506 510 512 513 514 520 528 530 536 537 539 544 545 548 550 551 552 555 557 560 561 563 568 571 573 574 578 579 580 582 584 585 586 588 589 593 594 596 599 600 603 604 606 609 610 611 612 617 619 620 621 622 623 626 628 630 631 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 645 646 647 649 650 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 700 701 702 703 704 705 707 708 709 710 712 713 715 716 717 718 719 720 1971 Topps Wantlist (condition unimportant): 005 030 045 055 064 072 100 110 143 146 180 188 193 210 250 263 264 276 283 300 308 320 325 327 328 330 341 350 358 361 376 380 382 384 385 397 400 402 407 413 419 438 442 445 453 457 460 462 464 469 471 475 477 478 479 490 502 511 513 520 522 524 525 529 530 531 532 535 537 539 541 546 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 559 560 561 562 564 565 566 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 579 580 581 585 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 596 598 599 600 601 604 605 606 607 608 609 611 612 613 614 617 618 619 621 622 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 632 635 636 637 638 639 640 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 658 659 660 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 683 684 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 703 704 705 706 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 743 744 745 747 748 749 750 751 752 1972 Topps Wantlist (Birth Year Quest - vg+ preferable, any condition acceptable) : 299 420 423 430 441 442 443 456 457 464 486 489 490 495 509 511 513 536 538 542 545 547 554 559 560 570 572 585 586 587 590 595 606 620 626 628 637 659 676 681 686 696 698 700 704 707 711 712 713 714 715 719 731 733 734 741 749 750 751 753 754 761 769 780 781 1972 Kellogg=92s (figured I=92d add another birth year set. condition is 001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 009 011 014 016 020 022 024 027 029 032 033 035 036 038 039 040 041 045 046 048 049 052 053 054 1973 Topps Wantlist (condition unimportant): 001 050 113 200 230 269 280 296 304 305 320 357 358 375 389 412 413 414 421 428 430 434 436 445 449 450 462 470 471 472 473 474 479 485 497 499 512 520 524 529 534 538 539 540 541 544 545 546 550 551 552 553 554 556 561 562 564 565 567 568 569 570 572 573 574 575 580 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 591 593 595 596 597 598 602 603 604 605 606 607 610 613 614 615 616 624 625 627 629 631 633 634 635 638 639 640 641 644 645 646 650 652 653 654 657 1974 Topps: Completed (Thanks to Lynn Miller for the last card!) 1975 Topps Wantlist: 001 002 012 016 020 022 023 027 046 050 055 061 075 080 081 087 103 106 108 113 121 129 136 140 143 148 155 158 160 168 169 175 177 185 191 192 196 197 199 200 202 204 205 206 207 208 211 217 223 224 227 228 232 242 244 250 259 281 288 294 299 300 305 307 308 310 311 312 320 322 324 333 335 344 346 350 351 352 356 368 369 390 395 405 408 414 417 420 433 442 445 471 500 508 510 513 514 516 517 530 534 545 550 554 561 562 565 575 577 586 598 601 603 605 615 617 618 620 623 625 628 631 636 637 638 641 646 660 1976 Topps Wantlist: 005 010 017 019 035 048 060 070 072 080 095 105 128 150 160 169 179 200 216 230 240 300 316 330 340 341 342 344 345 346 384 420 441 462 480 500 525 542 550 564 581 590 598 660 1977 Topps Wantlist: 002 006 007 032 051 060 070 086 100 127 150 170 183 186 197 228 231 232 234 239 259 265 280 285 287 295 309 318 320 390 400 411 412 413 418 442 450 461 467 480 488 490 491 547 560 600 620 626 644 1978 Topps Wantlist: 006 007 036 082 140 151 200 208 300 330 356 379 400 435 451 799 556 567 580 707 1979 Topps Wantlist: 002 003 005 006 008 024 025 088 096 098 113 115 125 128 141 159 163 164 188 204 215 225 252 254 263 283 300 305 310 317 321 323 328 336 367 401 409 413 414 420 423 425 426 428 432 433 434 436 439 450 464 472 475 484 488 500 513 525 526 529 540 542 544 551 552 553 556 569 573 574 575 576 582 595 606 611 625 643 661 689 693 696 705 708 713 714 717 726 1980 Topps Wantlist: 004 159 289 406 442 482 580 Dale Murphy Wantlist: have most of the major issue cards, but will gladly take anything with Dale on it; oddballs, magazines, schedules, programs, milk cartons, etc. ANYTHING Thanks for looking at my list. I welcome any and all contributions of old cardboard! Please contact me for post-1980 wantlists. ***Oddball Offerings: As thanks for those of you who've managed to read all the way down, the following oddballs are available fcfs: 19?? Topps FB: #27 Fran Rogel (the back looks similar to 56-57 era baseball) warning: this is a extreme Tipton-MT 1962 Post: 29 F. Robinson, 66 Cottier 1979 Topps: 536 Jerry Reuss (there's an autograph on it, not sure if it's real) 1977 Topps Cloth stickers: 11 Carlton 1970 Topps Scratch Off: Yaz 1963 Fleer: 16, 52 (both extreme Tipton-MT) 1965 Topps Embossed: 63, 71 1977 TCMA: 42 Aparicio (unsure of set -Renata Galasso on the back) 1964 Topps Coin: 146 Santo AS 1971 Topps Coin: 3 Bunning, 7 Fergie, 132 Bando, 142 Tony C. 1972 Kellogg's 3D: 19 Sanguillen (2) ================= Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 16:57:38 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) Gee, Spike, I've been following Net54 since 2002 and am just as surprised this is the first you've heard of them. I have posted there a few times and have not been all that impressed with my treatment at their hands: one guy trashed my reply to one post by insulting my use of an uncommon word (yet never addressed my point directly), another trashed my "Old Cardboard" article because he was sick of hearing pro-military bias (again, without addressing what I'd said in the first place). From what I see, there are a few "hardcore" members who consider themselves something of an inner circle, and they don't seem to take to well to outsiders speaking up on their turf. Maybe I'm wrong...maybe they've changed...but I don't go around there as often as I once did because of the elitist, snobbish attitude I find from some of the regulars (Except for Julie V...she's great. And Tim Newcomb too). But on the bright side...they aren't as crawling with trolls as the PSA boards. Take care, --- Matthew wrote: > Here's a clip from Old Cardboard's National show > report: > > > On Friday evening, following a day of buying, > selling and trading vintage cards > at the show, members of the Network 54 Vintage > Baseball Card Forum converged on > nearby Shoeless Joe’s Sports Bar for an evening of > fun, food and lively > discussions about their latest vintage baseball card > finds. With more than 35 > people in attendance, the group is among the largest > (if not, the largest) > gathering of collectors of old cardboard ever > assembled in one place. The > forum consists of members from a large cross-section > of geographically > dispersed areas. The members also represent a wide > variety of vintage > collecting interests, with specialists in 19th > century cards and memorabilia, > early 20th century caramel, candy and tobacco cards, > postcards, Exhibits, > newspaper supplements, and much more. > > > Any OBCers familiar with Network 54, or already > members themselves? For being > such a large, old card group, I'm surprised this was > the first I'd heard of > them. Do we have a "Sharks and Jets" style > collecting rival? :) > Spike > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ================= Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:08:31 EDT To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc_spike@yahoo.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) I think things have gotten better over there....I found them as a result of my annual t205 back report (yes, it is coming sometime in september), one of the Net54 members asked me some questions about t205s and invited me to post on net54 my theories and findings...I post there often and have made some good friends...they are no threat to OBC as they really deal mostly with pre-world war 2 cards with an emphasis on pre-world war 1. A bunch of OBCers are regulars over there as well including Andy Cook, Tim N., Geno, and a few lurkers as well. In a message dated 8/9/2005 4:57:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com writes: Gee, Spike, I've been following Net54 since 2002 and am just as surprised this is the first you've heard of them. I have posted there a few times and have not been all that impressed with my treatment at their hands: one guy trashed my reply to one post by insulting my use of an uncommon word (yet never addressed my point directly), another trashed my "Old Cardboard" article because he was sick of hearing pro-military bias (again, without addressing what I'd said in the first place). From what I see, there are a few "hardcore" members who consider themselves something of an inner circle, and they don't seem to take to well to outsiders speaking up on their turf. Maybe I'm wrong...maybe they've changed...but I don't go around there as often as I once did because of the elitist, snobbish attitude I find from some of the regulars (Except for Julie V...she's great. And Tim Newcomb too). But on the bright side...they aren't as crawling with trolls as the PSA boards. Take care, ================= Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 18:15:10 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Availables: 1976 Sportstix and 1969 stamps Interesting mostly to type or team collectors? Or maybe if you just like sticking things to other things. 1976 Sportstix stickers: 2 Busby (Royals), 3 Madlock (Cubs), 4 Burroughs 1969 Topps stamps: Schaal (Royals), Fairly (Dodgers) Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 00:27:23 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Delia back in action Well, I have returned from California, hopelessly jetlagged, dirt poor from the vacation, and emotionally crippled from my high school 30th reunion last weekend where I was reminded what a jerk I once was and still am. So, I'm all set to start working on some of the problems that have cropped up on oldbaseball.com. Please feel free to send me a note, unless you already have, about what the website is or isn't doing that is or isn't expected. Between Joe Isaac, Steve Rittenberg, myself, and the rest of the "Geek Is Cool" squad, we'll hammer out the problems. You're either a Boston Red Sox fan, or you wish you were. ================= To: Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 09:43:42 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Anyone need 1975 commons? OBCers -- I have been bidding (and getting outbid!) on those "Finish your set" auctions where you win and pick out 10 cards (or more) for a fixed price so I can get my last couple of 1975 needs. For instance, I'm currently the high bidder on a pick-30 auction, however, it only has two cards I need, therefore 28 random ones. If anybody needs 1975 commons, let me know and I'll hang on to your list to fill out my request should I ever win won of these auctions. I'd be glad to send them along once I receive them from the seller - all for the price of a Thanks server email! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 05:08:57 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) Heh! Didn't realize there was varied opinions over the group. Bob Donaldson, Chris, and Tim Newcomb all got back to me about Network 54. Wasn't serious about the "rivalry," don't worry--but it's certainly worth having contact with other collecting groups. Thanks for the notes, guys. --- Wite3@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > I think things have gotten better over there.... Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= To: , Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:06:52 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Network54 and Ramblings thoughts Spike -- My two pence... The Network54 board is the place to go for questions and scans of pre-war (mostly pre-WWI) stuff. Some of the cards those guys have are incredible to look at. Lots of the people on the board have the resources to pursue just about any card, and so they do. I don't mean that in a bad way, since they are very knowledgable and care about the cards, not the investment as much. I just mean that the emphasis seems to be on graded stuff vs. the OBC philosophy of beaters for cardboard's sake. I don't think they shun newbies, they just tear into a newbie who wants to talk about anything after WWII. Also, if you ask a generic question, they tend to tell you to use the search function for previous threads. If it wasn't started by one of the core people, it dies pretty quick. They do a couple of things that I really like and have thought about "copying" on our Ramblings server. Every month they run a thread called something like "What did you get cool this month?" Everyone posts some cool cards they picked up that month. Another one that they do is a sort of "What are you looking for?" thread. I think Ramblings could support something like that. If we had people post their Top Five wants, maybe that would stimulate some dupes box rummaging, or at least have us on the lookout for something to someone we "owe." That was rather lengthy, but my two main points are these: 1) Network54 is definitely worth a look if you like pre-war 2) I think we should inject a few of the ideas into Ramblings on a trial basis - what do you guys think?? Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) > Heh! Didn't realize there was varied opinions over the group. Bob > Donaldson, > Chris, and Tim Newcomb all got back to me about Network 54. Wasn't serious > about the "rivalry," don't worry--but it's certainly worth having contact > with > other collecting groups. Thanks for the notes, guys. > Spike > --- Wite3@aol.com wrote: >> Chris, >> I think things have gotten better over there.... > ____________________________________________________ > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 10:48:46 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:13:45 AM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: If we had people post their Top Five wants, maybe that would stimulate some dupes box rummaging, or at least have us on the lookout for something to someone we "owe." I was thinking about this for the past month or so. It may be my imagination, or it may be that everyone was saving up for national (so much activity there that it would take a month to list it all), but I have been under the impression that the level of activity has dropped significantly over the past year. I wonder if anyone has looked at the thanks server volume and figured out if that is the case. One of my biggest concerns is that after a while, all of our topps want lists start to look the same. Now, for those who collect other sets, there will always be activity. but I am looking for ways to increase our "normal" activity, and suggestions like Network 54 (via Geno) might help. Any other thoughts or ideas? By the way, in case you didn't know, both the Cubs and Dusty Baker stink! ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:25:21 -0700 (PDT) To: smartalecx@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts I personally think listing our want list every month has been a big help. I know I am more prone to checking out people's emails than searching the whole directory. I was actually able to hit a couple of guys lists even if it was only 1 or 2 cards. I also received some big hits after listing mine. Just my idea on an already great idea. Thanks, Dan Angland PS Got three cards coming your way Catfish smartalecx@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:13:45 AM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: If we had people post their Top Five wants, maybe that would stimulate some dupes box rummaging, or at least have us on the lookout for something to someone we "owe." I was thinking about this for the past month or so. It may be my imagination, or it may be that everyone was saving up for national (so much activity there that it would take a month to list it all), but I have been under the impression that the level of activity has dropped significantly over the past year. I wonder if anyone has looked at the thanks server volume and figured out if that is the case. One of my biggest concerns is that after a while, all of our topps want lists start to look the same. Now, for those who collect other sets, there will always be activity. but I am looking for ways to increase our "normal" activity, and suggestions like Network 54 (via Geno) might help. Any other thoughts or ideas? By the way, in case you didn't know, both the Cubs and Dusty Baker stink! SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display case Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:01:15 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: Ft. Washington I think I finally will be able to hit Ft. Washington. 1. I have a little bit of spending money. 2. Permission from my better half. 3. Car is in good working order. 4. I'm working near home (Boston) so no guilt about being away from home on a Saturday. I think I'll go to the show on Saturday Sept 24th. Anyone else going? do people usually get together before/during/after the show? Any other advice mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 13:15:56 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts I don't think it has been you imagination. From the yahoo web page you can view a history of all messages going back to 2001. For ramblings you can get to it via this url - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ For example, July had 100 messages in the ramblings server. July 2004 had 173, July 2003 had 202, July 2002 had 256 and July 2001 had 172. Other months show a similar drop off. mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: , "geno.wagner" Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 11:26:42 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone need 1975 commons? Geno, a lot of these are pyscho commons : (My only disclaimer is that this set is my only one in really good condition, like ex/mt I would like the remainders to fit in at least EX) 004 008 011 016 018 022 027 035 044 046 069 075 078 081 084 092 094 104 107 113 117 130 149 158 172 179 183 189 192 193 194 195 198 199 200 202 203 211 212 216 217 223 228 238 242 243 247 251 266 268 280 291 299 304 321 333 342 375 384 392 407 426 451 481 485 498 510 517 524 534 539 545 551 553 557 583 587 601 611 612 615 616 617 618 620 621 624 630 641 648 Thanks for your help! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:43 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone need 1975 commons? OBCers -- I have been bidding (and getting outbid!) on those "Finish your set" auctions where you win and pick out 10 cards (or more) for a fixed price so I can get my last couple of 1975 needs. For instance, I'm currently the high bidder on a pick-30 auction, however, it only has two cards I need, therefore 28 random ones. If anybody needs 1975 commons, let me know and I'll hang on to your list to fill out my request should I ever win won of these auctions. I'd be glad to send them along once I receive them from the seller - all for the price of a Thanks server email! Take Care, Geno SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 14:41:01 -0400 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts I think setting up a forum for the purposes of the "show me your ", new acquisitions for , and other general points would be a great addition to OBC. As for the Top X list, that may be something that would fit in to Wayne's wonderful work. If we all input our Top X, and there was a way to consolidate those lists into one aggregate that fit on one page,we could quickly look to see if anyone needs our spare . ---- "geno.wagner" wrote: > Spike -- > My two pence... > The Network54 board is the place to go for questions and scans of pre-war > (mostly pre-WWI) stuff. Some of the cards those guys have are incredible to > look at. Lots of the people on the board have the resources to pursue just > about any card, and so they do. I don't mean that in a bad way, since they > are very knowledgable and care about the cards, not the investment as much. > I just mean that the emphasis seems to be on graded stuff vs. the OBC > philosophy of beaters for cardboard's sake. > I don't think they shun newbies, they just tear into a newbie who wants to > talk about anything after WWII. Also, if you ask a generic question, they > tend to tell you to use the search function for previous threads. If it > wasn't started by one of the core people, it dies pretty quick. > They do a couple of things that I really like and have thought about > "copying" on our Ramblings server. Every month they run a thread called > something like "What did you get cool this month?" Everyone posts some cool > cards they picked up that month. Another one that they do is a sort of > "What are you looking for?" thread. I think Ramblings could support > something like that. If we had people post their Top Five wants, maybe that > would stimulate some dupes box rummaging, or at least have us on the lookout > for something to someone we "owe." > That was rather lengthy, but my two main points are these: > 1) Network54 is definitely worth a look if you like pre-war > 2) I think we should inject a few of the ideas into Ramblings on a trial > basis - what do you guys think?? > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Matthew" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 1:08 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Old Cardboard eNews Issue #16 (August 2005) > > Heh! Didn't realize there was varied opinions over the group. Bob > > Donaldson, > > Chris, and Tim Newcomb all got back to me about Network 54. Wasn't serious > > about the "rivalry," don't worry--but it's certainly worth having contact > > with > > other collecting groups. Thanks for the notes, guys. > > > > Spike > > > > --- Wite3@aol.com wrote: > > > >> > >> Chris, > >> I think things have gotten better over there.... > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________ > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 16:40:50 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Kevin Martens Subject: You're invited to view my photos taken at Chicago National Attached are the photos that were taken at the Chicago National convention. Get FREE 4x6 prints from my album(s)!* View my photos! I invite you to view the following photo album(s): Here's how: http://www.snapfish.com/getimageforshare/p801101123717249803/l56520663/s69605550/tALB/otscSYE/otsiSALB 1) Visit the link below to access my photos on Snapfish. 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Just click the "order prints" button while viewing my photos to place an order. *First-time customers only. http://www.snapfish.com/infothreefree/otscSYE/otsiSALB Snapfish - the best value in photography. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 17:41:08 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts To: smartalecx@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2005 08:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Network54 and Ramblings thoughts I personally think listing our want list every month has been a big help. I know I am more prone to checking out people's emails than searching the whole directory. I was actually able to hit a couple of guys lists even if it was only 1 or 2 cards. I also received some big hits after listing mine. Just my idea on an already great idea. Thanks, Dan Angland PS Got three cards coming your way Catfish smartalecx@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 8/10/2005 8:13:45 AM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: If we had people post their Top Five wants, maybe that would stimulate some dupes box rummaging, or at least have us on the lookout for something to someone we "owe." I was thinking about this for the past month or so. It may be my imagination, or it may be that everyone was saving up for national (so much activity there that it would take a month to list it all), but I have been under the impression that the level of activity has dropped significantly over the past year. I wonder if anyone has looked at the thanks server volume and figured out if that is the case. One of my biggest concerns is that after a while, all of our topps want lists start to look the same. Now, for those who collect other sets, there will always be activity. but I am looking for ways to increase our "normal" activity, and suggestions like Network 54 (via Geno) might help. Any other thoughts or ideas? By the way, in case you didn't know, both the Cubs and Dusty Baker stink! SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display case Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:15:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "kevin71058" Subject: Come out and see the Mets, Meet the Mets!! Hi all, I am planning to go to a Mets game Tuesday night with another Trade buddy of mine If you like to join us, let me know by Sunday Hope to have a few of you join myself and my trader buddy Mike Rich Lets go Mets!! Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 22:25:27 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Split a lot of 1955 Bowman FOOTBALL Hi all. Ken Morganti purchased a large group of 1955 Bowman FB at the National from Kevin Savage. He used them to upgrade his set and I told him I'd be interested in the leftovers. He sent me the card numbers in the lot and now I've figured out what I need and what's left over. Are you interested in hearing more about it? The key in the lot is a 1955 Tom Landry card, which is also the key to the set. Others there will be dupes of are #1 Walker, #2 McCormick, #14 Ford, #17 Conerly, #42 Johnson, #44 Perry, #104 Nomellini, #121 Robustelli. Let me know if you are interested and I can provide more info (include the grade of the stars) and we can work out a split. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 03:23:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Ray's first trip to Nationals and other mishaps. My first trip to Nationals was an expierence I cant wait till next year to try again. I arrived in Chicago at around 4:30: being told to get onto shuttle and it would take me to convention center. Upon getting on shuttle ai was told that i would of had to take another hotel shuttle but being on the road the chances of driver bringing me back was nearly immpossible so I ended up at hotel where I found out that there was a shuttle running every half hour to convention center starting tomorrow and I would have to take a taxi which they would call for me. After waiting for another half an hour a taxi showed up and two other people going to show agreed to share cost. Oncw there I decided to start on my qwest of finishing my Philadelphia Gum card set I only needed two cards Franke Clarke and Willie Wood. I found Willie in Kurt Tourdot's bargin bin and after spending an hour going through his dollar bin I can away with about $40 dollars worth of cards. So I started wondering around trying to find other OBCers when I couldnt find anyone I finally broke down and called Steve who came and found me. He took me around to different tables and somehow I managed to get lost from him and soon he was calling me telling me had found a 52 Billy Martin for a reasonable price but when i got to table Billy had disappeared into Rizzuto but while talking to dealer he had my Franke Clarke so I finished my first day with my first set down. I spent the rest of the night meeting some of the guys like Sal, Kent ,Mike Weirbicki and Chris Stufflestreet . I had previousy met Ken and Steve so with a couple of hundred of cards from different sets we set off to get something to eat where I met Shawn Adkins who had finished dinner with his wife. It was at dinner I found out I was a theif when I started checking of my cards and found I had wo 65 Embossed Mickey Mantle. I kenw I had bought one from Kurt but this other dealer thought i had taken his but I convinced him I had boughten it from Kurt and he seemed to take my word. We spent the rest of the time back at the room going through dup boxes and geting cards from other OBCer which I will thank at end of ramble. I ended up with my John Ball auction winning ....Three bobble heads dolls, a T206 of Hal Chase and some Redmans (I only wanted the 53's so the 54 asnd 55 went out at swap meet) and a Bobby Jones stamp. The rest of of my winning went to various people I owe so I just outbidded them for the stuff and then sent it to them. Least I hope Ken has gotten around to mailing them). Day two started out with breakfast with Shawn and Ken where I got a card from Shawn. I decided I wasnt ready for the day and would go to card show later in afternoon I spent the day on Steve computer trying to update my want list as I had forgotten to pack my power cord after a nap I went down to catch the shuttle only to have the bus show up 45 minutes late so buy the time I got to convention I had just enough time to return the "stolen card" and have the dealer finish my 65 embossed set. At the meeting place I meet Tim Newcomb, Gary Mandel, Kevin Martens and his wife Joanne, Mike Rich and we went out for dinner where it was festive with anothe rbarrage of Sal short jokes. After that we ended back at hotel where everyone kind of crashed for the evening. Somewhere during the day I also met Tom Housely but for some reason I cant remember when or how. Friday started out witht he shuttle down to center and i spent the day wondering around to various table and just picking up cards and losing my wantlist at least three times. Most of the time I spent at Dave Chapple's (Steve favorite dealer) and Kevin Savage's table. I picked up some of the cards i needed on my 66 set and found out two dealer I had bought cards from off Naxcom didnt have cards....One geve me a credit other one subsituted some cards I needed for the ones he didnt have. So it brought my set down to 5 cards. The rest of the time I worked on my Fleer set as I found a guy who wanted to give them away at bargin price just so he wouldnt have to look at them anymore. During the day I ran into Earl and my twin brother Ron Perry. And at the hotel I meet John Gray the younger the show we went for dinner at Mother Hubbard where again the dinner was great (free) and the enertainment was even better as Sal shows the advantages of being a smoker. There were pictures taken and I am quite sure If Sal wants could retire with silent money. Saturday was spent trying to find cards for the people who I owed card for and enjoying the afternoon at Wrigley as Steve invited me and Mike as his guest for the afternoon. I also had the opportunity to met Ken Goetsch After game, I met Mark Talbot and we punished his car as he took us back to hotel. There the swap meet began with Larry Zurawski and George Vreck being added to list of OBCer I me. Pizza and pop followed by the following of cards that cant be matched. Sunday again at the show I dediced to finish the 66 set and after many hours of searching i found the Grant Jacksin card and that set was also put to rest. Spent the rest of the day at Kurt's table where i work on my two fleer set. I hooked up with Mike and we finally decided to hit the road back to Michigan. I continued my vacation with Mike as we spent a few days at his house where I recuperated from nationals and I got to add another ball park to my list with my first visit to Comerica. Fantastic seats being home plate but the Tiger lost the game in final innings as the only damper for the hosts. Wednesday Mike started his faubulous Eastern vacation by taking to Toronto for my sabr convention. While there he took me to two shops where i ocntinued to knock cards off my set and finding a few cards i plan on sending out tomorrow. Taking a train on saturday night i got back to detroit where mark talbot once again met me to get me back to states and my hotel room. In all i got my qwest of Topps cards 1951 to present down to under a 100 cards ((67) not counting variations. Thanks go out for showing there hospitality and first time meeting with Shawn, Sal, Ken, Kent, John, Tom, Gary, Kevin, Tim, Ron, Mike,R, Chris, Mike W, Larry Plus future OBCer Randy Wilberg who I've had the opportunity to trade with when I lived in Minnesota. KENT Goto for a 52 high number in a trimed Bob Schultz. SHAWN ADKINS for my first ever 53 Redman MARK TALBOT continued onslaught of the 53 Redman set with 5 more plus allowing me to go through his dup box and finding two more O Pe Chee Bert Blyleven's. When he picked me up in Windsor he felt compelled as another meeting by hitting my 1970 with 5 more hits plus his VCT autographed card to go along with his autogrpahed OBC card so I have all the variations KEVIN MARTENS and SAL DOMINO WITH 6 AND 5 1968'S off the list. Sal added a 1970 and Kevin a picture of Ron and myself as I wanted a picture of us two as we share not only our love of old cards but same birthdate (Month, day and year). When you see the pictue I am the the much younger one. EEK gave me yet another Bert card the Topps Cloth LARRY GERSHBACH told to hit his dup box till i had all i needed it ended with 78 -1968's 67 -1969 and 4 -1970 and with TOM HOUSELY adding yet another 11-1969 and MIKE WEIRBICKI Another 6 -1968 put a good size dent in getting my list unde 1000 Topp cards. STEVE RITTENBERG gave along with a hostess panel and two other cards of BERT Byleven, let me buy some Dealer scum cards to my list and after nationals continued by letting me get a RYan rookie card for cheap. he was also a fantstic roomate and I hope he and I can share a room again in a future National. LARRY Zurawski gave me a 1984 Minnesota Twins teams set. Mike Rich for the ride and hospitality to his home and that of his his sister home. He also gave two lithographs of Minnesota twins Ziolio Versalles and Jerry Zimmerman and a whiffle ball card of Bert. Guys I cant thank you enough for the memories of the ppast week. I hope that this wont be the last meeting and look forward to the next ================= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 14:17:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Kellogg's cereal giveaway help needed I am on my tour of the northeast and am staying with some cousins in the Boston area. They have 2 young daughters that love certain Disney characters. Kellogg's cereals currently are running a promotion with putting little wobblers of Disney characters n the boxes. They so far have not been succesful in getting their favorite characters. One wants Thumper, the other Peter Pan. If anyone happens to be eating Kellogg's cereals and comes across these, I would greatly appreciate having them sent to my cousins. I will try and send some repayment to the sender, or can 'swap' some other wobblers, if so desired. My cousins' address: Pam Bakale 4 Comstock Dr. Shrewsbury, MA 01545 Please let me know if you send either or both out. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 11:25:24 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: thanks kevin... for sharing the photos. I liked how you documented Wrigley Field. It demonstrates to us locals what a treasure the place is and that we kind of take it for granted. I think I have 2 pictures of Wrigley. One I took a few yearsago and the other an exterior shot from the 1930s. Boy, do we look like card collectors or what? You captured the feel of the swap session very well. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 13:48:57 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: T205 breakdown for 2005 (that time of year again) Content-Language: en T-205 Breakdown for 2005: This is my yearly breakdown of back frequency on the T-205 Gold Border set. This year, I have broken it down a little further including factory designations. This continues my quest to figure out how they were printed (incl. many on a sheet, and how many different printings there were). It is also an examination of the rarity of the backs and how they relate to prices, scarcity, The following includes back information taken from card shows, e-bay, other online/phone/mail auctions, internet sales sites, and collectors. Granted, this is but a small cross-section but taken over the years I feel it is becoming pretty accurate. At the end of the yearly notes is the compilation of the last several years work with the breakdowns. Also some interesting notes on scarcity and rarer cards. Last year was a banner year for T205 sales especially on e-bay. This year was slower (over 500 less t205s seen and sold) but had some different findsthat changed the percentages. Many more Honest Long Cut and Sovereign backs were seen this year. Oddly, the only Drum I saw this year was one that was sold last year as well, so I did not include it in the population report. 2005 T-205s seen by scarcity order from least to most. Factory codes are only listed for cards that have different factory codes. Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 512 16.4 Polar Bear Blue 473 15.2 Sweet Cap. Red 451 14.5 Sweet Cap. Black 25 321 10.3 Sweet Cap. Black 42 309 9.9 Hassan Green 649 307 9.9 Honest Long Cut Black 307 9.9 Sovereign Green 191 6.1 Cycle Black 107 3.4 Hassan Green 30 99 3.2 American Beauty Black 17 .55 American Beauty Green 8 .26 Piedmont Blue 42 6 .19 Broadleaf Black 2 .06 Broadleaf Green 2 .06 Hindu Brown 2 .06 Drum Brown 0 .00 Total 205s taken for this research: 3114 A few observations... The Moran w/ stray line of type is commanding huge money lately. That is as it should be but the Gray w/ stats should not be commanding such a huge premium. To be honest, this variation comes with two distinct back ads, Piedmont 25 and Sovereign. This should change things as the Piedmont 25 back was seen twice this year and the Sovereign twice. The Moran stray line only came upfor sale twice total this year (and I think it may have been the same card that was graded but unsure). Wilhelm is also getting a lot attention but I think that will calm down...both variations come with common backs and several were seen lately on and off Big discussion about scarcity lately concerning the Joss. I still feel it falls somewhere in the middle scarce range with cards like Collins/Breshnahan open mouth, Vaughn, etc. I still think Wagner, Karger, Kleinow, Fisher, Grant, Suggs, are a lot tougher. As an aside, tracking back-front combinations...I still have not seen some supposedly common combinations and if anyone has a scan of these I would be wonderfully appreciative. Looking for the following: Bailey Piedmont 25 Birmingham Piedmont 25 Carrigan Polar Bear Collins closed Polar Bear Devore Piedmont 25 Dygert Polar Bear Elberfeld Polar Bear Goode Piedmont 25 Groom Polar Bear Killian Piedmont 25 Lennox Piedmont 25 and Polar Bear H. Lord Piedmont 25 Lush Polar Bear Magee Polar Bear Milan Polar Bear Murphy Polar Bear O=E2=99Leary Polar Bear Schaefer Polar Bear Scott Piedmont 25 Sharpe Polar Bear Speaker Polar Bear Doc White Polar Bear Lastly, I do have the collation for the last six years if anybody is interested they can drop me an e-mail. ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:47:26 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: One game in history.... There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the same opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. The question is: If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and only 1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards - and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes of my youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when the Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must have been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and Hank Greenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to their 7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses - and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:41:47 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T205 breakdown for 2005 (that time of year again) Joshua -- Awesome work, my friend! A real labor of love doing that sort of research.My T205 set (basic 208 cards, no variations), is my prized possession as far as cards go. I've thought about delving more deeply into it lately, but I'm undecided right now. If I did, I would probably do something like Ken (chase a single back), or try to get some really nice Cubs to display in a frame. Something to ponder on my next long drive or flight... Thanks for sharing with us! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T205 breakdown for 2005 (that time of year again) T-205 Breakdown for 2005: This is my yearly breakdown of back frequency on the T-205 Gold Border set. This year, I have broken it down a little further including factory designations. This continues my quest to figure out how they were printed (incl. how many on a sheet, and how many different printings there were). It is also an examination of the rarity of the backs and how they relate to prices, scarcity, etc. The following includes back information taken from card shows, e-bay, other online/phone/mail auctions, internet sales sites, and collectors. Granted, this is but a small cross-section but taken over the years I feel it is becoming pretty accurate. At the end of the yearly notes is the compilationof the last several years work with the breakdowns. Also some interesting notes on scarcity and rarer cards. Last year was a banner year for T205 sales especially on e-bay. This yearwas slower (over 500 less t205s seen and sold) but had some different finds that changed the percentages. Many more Honest Long Cut and Sovereign backs were seen this year. Oddly, the only Drum I saw this year was one that was sold last year as well, so I did not include it in the population report. 2005 T-205s seen by scarcity order from least to most. Factory codes are only listed for cards that have different factory codes. Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 512 16.4 Polar Bear Blue 473 15.2 Sweet Cap. Red 451 14.5 Sweet Cap. Black 25 321 10.3 Sweet Cap. Black 42 309 9.9 Hassan Green 649 307 9.9 Honest Long Cut Black 307 9.9 Sovereign Green 191 6.1 Cycle Black 107 3.4 Hassan Green 30 99 3.2 American Beauty Black 17 .55 American Beauty Green 8 .26 Piedmont Blue 42 6 .19 Broadleaf Black 2 .06 Broadleaf Green 2 .06 Hindu Brown 2 .06 Drum Brown 0 .00 Total 205s taken for this research: 3114 A few observations... The Moran w/ stray line of type is commanding huge money lately. That is as it should be but the Gray w/ stats should not be commanding such a huge premium. To be honest, this variation comes with two distinct back ads, Piedmont 25 and Sovereign. This should change things as the Piedmont 25 back was seen twice this year and the Sovereign twice. The Moran stray line only came up for sale twice total this year (and I think it may have been the same card that was graded but unsure). Wilhelm is also getting a lot attention but I think that will calm down...both variations come with common backs and several were seen lately on andoff Big discussion about scarcity lately concerning the Joss. I still feel itfalls somewhere in the middle scarce range with cards like Collins/Breshnahan open mouth, Vaughn, etc. I still think Wagner, Karger, Kleinow, Fisher,Grant, Suggs, are a lot tougher. As an aside, tracking back-front combinations...I still have not seen some supposedly common combinations and if anyone has a scan of these I would be wonderfully appreciative. Looking for the following: Bailey Piedmont 25 Birmingham Piedmont 25 Carrigan Polar Bear Collins closed Polar Bear Devore Piedmont 25 Dygert Polar Bear Elberfeld Polar Bear Goode Piedmont 25 Groom Polar Bear Killian Piedmont 25 Lennox Piedmont 25 and Polar Bear H. Lord Piedmont 25 Lush Polar Bear Magee Polar Bear Milan Polar Bear Murphy Polar Bear O=E2=99Leary Polar Bear Schaefer Polar Bear Scott Piedmont 25 Sharpe Polar Bear Speaker Polar Bear Doc White Polar Bear Lastly, I do have the collation for the last six years if anybody is interested they can drop me an e-mail. SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:50:12 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... Glenn -- Good question! I would have loved to have been around for Lou Gehrig's speech - can you imagine the feeling in that place?? I must admit, my favorite game ever is one that the Cubbies lost in 10 innings to the Phillies, 23-22 in 1979. I was amazed as a kid, and completely heartbroken at the end. The Cubs were down 7-6 after only one inning, 15-6after three! Here's the line score of that day (there were 50 hits): Philadelphia 7 0 8 2 4 0 1 0 0 1 23 Chicago 6 0 0 3 7 3 0 3 0 0 22 Take Care, Geno----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the same opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. The question is: If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and only 1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards- and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes of my youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when the Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must have been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and HankGreenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to their 7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses- and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! Glasgow, Scotland YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:54:25 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... By the way, Bill Buckner and Dave Kingman combined for four homers and 13 RBIs - and we lost!! ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Glenn Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 9:50 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... Glenn -- Good question! I would have loved to have been around for Lou Gehrig's speech - can you imagine the feeling in that place?? I must admit, my favorite game ever is one that the Cubbies lost in 10 innings to the Phillies, 23-22 in 1979. I was amazed as a kid, and completely heartbroken at the end. The Cubs were down 7-6 after only one inning, 15-6 after three! Here's the line score of that day (there were 50 hits): Philadelphia 7 0 8 2 4 0 1 0 0 1 23 Chicago 6 0 0 3 7 3 0 3 0 0 22 Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the same opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. The question is: If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and only 1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards - and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes ofmy youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when the Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must have been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and Hank Greenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to their 7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses - and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! Glasgow, Scotland YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 18:34:07 EDT To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... Game 7 1991 world series so ok my time machine broke down early Jack Morris pitches a 1-0 ten inning game and was planning on going out in 11. Tom Kelly said Morris would of killed him if he had taken him out and beside he had all winter before his next start PS my second would of ben my first ever game I saw in person Bert Blyleven pitched a 7-0 shutout against the Red Sox on August 27, 1970 I won $11 on what batter would do from my friends before the qui betting wih me. Course I lost most on bus ride back cause i am such a terrible poker player ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:03:57 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1540 One day that I always wanted to go back in time - July 4, 1939 at Yankee Stadium (Lou Gehrig's farewell). Oops, that was a doubleheader. Glenn, I wonder if that counts. If not, then it would be July 19, 1846 (NY Nine vs. Knickerbockers ??). With Davis the first player to be fined for swearing (6 cents), I would love to have heard what he said!!! > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:47:26 +0100 > From: "Glenn" >Subject: One game in history.... >There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, >accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the same >opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. >The question is: >If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and only >1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? >No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards - >and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. >As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes of my >youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in >person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when >Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must have >been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and Hank >Greenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to >7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. >So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses - >and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! >Glasgow, Scotland >[This message contained attachments] >Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:19:28 -0400 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1540 The game I want to see? That game way back when, where the Giants lost to the Cubs because Merkle didn't touch second on the game-ending hit. Knowing what was going to happen I would keep track of the ball, to see if Evers (or whoever it was) really got the right ball to tag second base. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Isaac" To: Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:03 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1540 > One day that I always wanted to go back in time - July 4, 1939 at Yankee > Stadium (Lou Gehrig's farewell). Oops, that was a doubleheader. Glenn, I > wonder if that counts. If not, then it would be July 19, 1846 (NY Nine > Knickerbockers ??). With Davis the first player to be fined for swearing > cents), I would love to have heard what he said!!! > Joe > __________________________________________ > > Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 20:47:26 +0100 > > From: "Glenn" > >Subject: One game in history.... > > > >Guys, > > > > > > > >There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, > >accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the > >opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. > > > > > > > >The question is: > > > > > > > >If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and > >1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? > > > > > > > >No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards - > >and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. > > > > > > > >As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes of > >youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in > >person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when > >the > >Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must > >been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and Hank > >Greenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to > >their > >7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. > > > > > > > >So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses - > >and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! > > > > > > > >Glenn > > > >Glasgow, Scotland > > > > > > > >[This message contained attachments] > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 01:14:05 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@YahooGroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Time Machine=7-5-85 at Atlanta Fulton County Stadium!/ Kris Benson ================= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:53 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Clemens So...The Rocket has to give up 37 runs in his next start BEFORE recording an out to move his ERA up to a huge 2.00...I remember watching Nolan in his 40s pitch against the Dodgers and Angels and marveled at how fast he pitched still but I have to say that Clemens is not only pitching with power but absolutely has the best control in the leauge (and is hurting!)...if only the 'Stros could score a run every now and then, Clemens would be a lock for another Cy Young (might have to change the award name)... ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:12:32 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: XM radio anyone? I just listened to yet another great game on my latest addiction .... MLB on XM satellite radio. Listening to a ballgame on the radio is so wonderful, those radio broadcasters are true storytellers. I know that Brock has mentioned his XM radio. Anyone else out there subscribe to the baseball fan's aural paradise? For those who don't know, the service has hundreds of radio stations based on musical genre. Also news ,sports ,weather ,comedy ,and talk radio. Thosewere cool enough to hook me last year because I am a big music lover...butthis season they added the ultimate piece. EVERY MLB game is on. That's right...they have home broadcasts of every game!! I often sneak off into the car (that's where my only player is, but sooner or later I will buy one forindoors) and just listen to the games...incredible getaway time for me... Tonight I had the pleasure of listening to the Padres-Phillies game that the Phils won...and this is the second night in a row I got to hear Tim Flannery and Ted Leitner put their spin on the game. Obvious homers and Padre-centric but I really would question a broadcast team who DIDN'T root for their team !!! Leitner is a particular joy... Astros broadcaster Milo Hamilton is also fun to listen to... Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled ramblings, but hey this is a lot of fun. It's been a great season (on the field) once again! OBC Forever, ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:29:48 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: T218 Bonanza on ebay While searching for the last 3 cards I need, I found an ebay seller with several lots of T218 cards. Many have the back variations that Mark Talbot and Mike Rich are hunting for. I'm going to be SNIPING the lot of two golfers but everyone else is free to go after the rest. Here's a link with everything from the seller: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZsocky21 For those who don't know about the T218 set, I'll share some info. There are 163 athletes in the set. 72 of them are track & field athletes. These are the easiest in the set and I never had to pay more than $1 a card for them. Pretty good for T cards, huh? There are also 3 avaiators, 4 bowlers, 7 golfers, 15 pool players and 62 boxers. There are some stars in the boxers, like Jack Johnson, Abe Attell (who helped fix the '19 series) and James Jeffries. I have an electronic checklist if you'd like one. Mark Talbot and Mike Rich are the experts on the back variations (with different cigarette brands). ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:36:46 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] XM radio anyone? Meanwhile, if listening to broadcasts of the latest Dodger debacle isn't enough, more often than not I get to listen to Rick Monday and Charley Steiner butcher their way through the game too. Vin Scully doesn't make it on all that often - a pure joy when he does (he sure does like to talk about Venezuela BTW, Rick Monday is my HOMer - however, not my favorite broadcaster. To echo Brian though, XM's baseball channels are a blast - always nice to hear games from the perspective of other broadcasters. ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] XM radio anyone? I just listened to yet another great game on my latest addiction .... MLBon XM satellite radio. Listening to a ballgame on the radio is so wonderful, those radio broadcasters are true storytellers. I know that Brock has mentioned his XM radio. Anyone else out there subscribe to the baseball fan's aural paradise? For those who don't know, the service has hundreds of radio stations based on musical genre. Also news ,sports ,weather ,comedy ,and talk radio. Those were cool enough to hook me last year because I am a big music lover...but this season they added the ultimate piece. EVERY MLB game is on. That's right...they have home broadcasts of every game!! I often sneak off into the car (that's where my only player is, but sooner or later I will buy one for indoors) and just listen to the games...incredible getaway time for me... Tonight I had the pleasure of listening to the Padres-Phillies game that the Phils won...and this is the second night in a row I got to hear Tim Flannery and Ted Leitner put their spin on the game. Obvious homers and Padre-centric but I really would question a broadcast team who DIDN'T root for their team !!! Leitner is a particular joy... Astros broadcaster Milo Hamilton is also fun to listen to... Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled ramblings, but hey this is a lotof fun. It's been a great season (on the field) once again! OBC Forever, SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 11:32:56 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Help on T-316? Hi gang! Spending most of summer in Maine. Went to big Antique show yesterday. Did not buy these, but can get them: There was an "album" of 11 players, described as T-316s Guy wanted $150 for album and cards, seemed pricey. I do not have a Beckett Big Boy up here. Can anyone give me some values on these? The grizzled one. Howard Morgan ================= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:40:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich Tour continues Last nite, courtesy of Bob Donnaldson, I went to Fenway for the first time, accompanied by Ken Morganti. Afterwards, I was able to see the near sets of T-205 and Ken's joy, the 1948-1949 Leaf BB set. Incredible and in much better shape than I imagined. Tonite, I hope Bob Donaldson (and myself) will be available to see a Lowell Spinners game. I will be in the Boston area through Monday nite. Tuesday, I head off to Kevin Martens, on Long Island. We expect to take in a Mets game that nite. I will also be in town Wednesday nite. Thursday, onto to PA, and visiting Rick Svetecz. We hope to take in a Phillies game on Friday nite. The 21st has me headed down to Maryland and Peter Mead and Steve Rittenberg. Games Monday through Thursday nites. I may make it to Pittsburg for the 26th. If anyone is available to hook up, or go to a game (or 2), please let me know. My cell (248) 709-2235, although I have had access to a computer most of the trip so far. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 20:33:57 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... I would definitely want to see Babe Ruth. Maybe the 1932 World Series w/ the Called Shot. or if I wanted pitching how about 5-17-1917 - Boston defeated Washington 1-0, WP Ruth, LP Walter Johnson -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 3:47 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... There's a really interesting thread on the "Baseball Fever" forum, accessible through the Baseball Almanac website. I thought I'd ask the same opening question here, to see what kind of responses we get. The question is: If you could get the use of a time machine to take you back to 1, and only 1, game in baseball history, which game would you choose? No contest for me. Game 7 of the 1968 World Series. Tigers beat the Cards - and the incredible Bob Gibson - behind a Lolich complete game. As much as I'm an admirer of Bobby Thomson, seeing the Tigers heroes of my youth winning the World Championship would beat out seeing "The Shot" in person. I also briefly considered the last game of the 1945 season, when the Tigers clinched the pennant with a 6-3 win against the Browns. It must have been a great time for Detroiters, with the war coming to an end and Hank Greenberg returning to the lineup in time to carry the team through to their 7th pennant and eventually to their 2nd Series win. So, c'mon, let's hear from you. I expect there'll be some great responses - and I imagine a few surprises - from OBCers! Glasgow, Scotland YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 21:37:00 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: from ED S ================= Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 22:10:04 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One game in history.... That's easy. October 27, 2004. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 09:23:46 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Great deals on blue backs Mark Macrae's latest catalog has some great deals on 1951 blue backs with several commons at just $5 each. Please contact him for the full catalog (mma2036559@aol.com) or if you prefer, I can send you only the relevant portion. -- Steve ================= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:03:49 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great deals on blue backs Hi Steve, Thanks for the plug...One correction . Email address is MMA3026559@aol.com. For the OBCers that I haven't dealt with, make sure you mention that you're an OBC member....you get a small bonus... ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 14:55:53 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: OBC style 1953 Bowman cards on ebay Rizutto, McDougald and Martin/Rizutto all with tape damage. I won't be bidding on these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5230770746&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 ================= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 20:26:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: An OBC Ramble & Dupes Alert Even though I was able to attend the National in Chicago for one day, I have pretty much been out of the loop this summer. A very hectic & busy summer at that. I had my two oldest daughters both get married, one in June and the other, five weeks later in July. Both were of the large Catholic variety. Big church weddings, etc. All families involved are big families so the receptions were also. You can understand why I didn't spend much money in Chicago. The youngest daughter went back to Butler U. in Indy last week end, so my wife & I are empty nesters again. I noticed all the want lists being posted over the past few days. I came home from the National with way too many dupes, even though they were thoroughly searched thru by several individuals. My wife is in Michigan with girl friends for the next few days. Soooo, I began seriously perusing the OBC want lists. Over the next couple of days I will be mailing out hundreds of dupes. If your list is up to date & I can hit it, cards will be coming your way. Maybe it's this post partum-empty nest thingy, but I'm getting rid of a lot of my dupes. I'll hit as many lists as I can. I know it's unfair to the the z's & w's but I'm going thru the lists alphabetically unless you recently posted your list to the Yahoo server. Most of my dupes are Topps low # commons from 1980 & earlier, but you never know what I may come across. Any cards from 1955 thru 1964 are probably Gersh original childhood cards. My Mom paid me ten cents to run errands and of course that was two packs of cards. So if you get any from that era, think of me as a youngster sitting on the steps of Conrad's neighborhood grocery store. Mmmmm, I can still smell the gum. Hope ya'll enjoy em, ================= To: "OBC" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:44:51 -0400 From: "larry tipton" Subject: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? I am fine and well here in N Florida. Busy.. Two Grandkids now! Could someone send me Mark Sheltons email address? ================= Date: 15 Aug 2005 21:54:58 -0000 To: "larry tipton" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mark Sheltons E-Mail? I had it until my hard drive crashed early this year. It was Chata?@???? When you find it let me know as I have some Goudey Indians for him. ------------- Original message follows ------------- I am fine and well here in N Florida. Busy.. Two Grandkids now! Could someone send me Mark Sheltons email address? ================= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 23:11:06 EDT To: obcjohn@knology.net, larry.tipton@netzero.net, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mark Sheltons E-Mail? In a message dated 8/15/2005 2:57:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, obcjohn@knology.net writes: I had it until my hard drive crashed early this year. It was Chata?@???? When you find it let me know as I have some Goudey Indians for him. Hi guys...i still have _chahta1@aol.com_ (mailto:chahta1@aol.com) for Mark...when you all talk to him, tell him I said hello too! Mark was/is one of the all time good guys of OBC... PS Wonder if he ever finished that '57 set? ================= To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 17:25:59 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens Does anybody really think he is not a lock for another Cy Young award? I always thought it was ridiculous that run support is considered. Not only is Clemens pitching better than anyone, he is hitting all right too. So his teammates can't score for him, does that make him less of a pitcher? I don't think the question should be...is he going to win the cy young or not...but is he having pitching better than anyone else has ever pitched? >From: Wite3@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:53 EDT >So...The Rocket has to give up 37 runs in his next start BEFORE recording >out to move his ERA up to a huge 2.00...I remember watching Nolan in his >pitch against the Dodgers and Angels and marveled at how fast he pitched >still but I have to say that Clemens is not only pitching with power but >absolutely has the best control in the leauge (and is hurting!)...if only >the 'Stros >could score a run every now and then, Clemens would be a lock for another >Young (might have to change the award name)... ================= Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:12:31 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? In a message dated Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:44:51, "larry tipton" < larry.tipton@netzero.net> writes: > I am fine and well here in N Florida. Busy.. > Two Grandkids now! > Could someone send me Mark Sheltons email address? I caught Chahta on IM: Didn't say if he ever finished the 57 set though, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:15:54 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: wins/Smoltz/fantasy sports on OTL/ Yahoo I agree Mac! I have always looked at ERA & WHIP and Ks per IP over wins. When Rotisserie baseball was created, Ws originally was NOT a category. I'd take Roger over Capuano's 12 Ws & 3.77 or so ERA for BTW, take away Smoltz's 1st start (he got BOMBED!) & he gets the Cy Young Award! ESPNs Outside The Lines had a feature last night on fantasy sports & a lawsuit against CDM that may change stat services forever. They mentioned 2 old lawsuits about 53 Topps & some Twins player from 1970 (which I plan to research) about use of his name. It mentioned fantasy sports had been around since 196? at Harvard & somewhere in Michigan (I BTW, Yahoo pays .25 per user to MLB. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens I, for one believe Chris Carpenter is having a better year. I love Clemens, (now that he's not a Yankee), but except for the ERA, Carpenter is exceeding the Rocket in all categories, (the WHIP is about a draw). Carpenter's ERA is a not-to-shabby 2.24 and with a 17-4 record and more innings pitched and K's. When you give up 1.35 ER's per nine like Clemens or 2.24 like Carpenter, you will win some games if you are still around in the ninth. Maybe some of those six more wins Carpenter has would have come to Clemens if he stayed until the ninth, or maybe his ERA and loss total might rise Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:25 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens > Does anybody really think he is not a lock for another Cy Young award? I > always thought it was ridiculous that run support is considered. Not only > is Clemens pitching better than anyone, he is hitting all right too. So > his > teammates can't score for him, does that make him less of a pitcher? I > don't think the question should be...is he going to win the cy young or > not...but is he having pitching better than anyone else has ever pitched? > Mac >>From: Wite3@aol.com >>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:53 EDT >>So...The Rocket has to give up 37 runs in his next start BEFORE recording >>out to move his ERA up to a huge 2.00...I remember watching Nolan in his >>pitch against the Dodgers and Angels and marveled at how fast he pitched >>still but I have to say that Clemens is not only pitching with power but >>absolutely has the best control in the leauge (and is hurting!)...if only >>the 'Stros >>could score a run every now and then, Clemens would be a lock for another >>Young (might have to change the award name)... > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: 17 Aug 2005 00:55:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Mark Shelton I tried both emails: chata1@aol.com and sachata@intergate.com Neither worked. ================= To: yazobc@insightbb.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:06:35 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens To me this is like saying a .270 hitter is just as good as a .448 hitter because the .270 hitter has more RBI. Roger is giving up a little over half of the runs that carpenter is giving up...it's just not a contest. Carpenter is having a great year, but lets try to keep things is perspective. I don't like Roger all that much either...but I'm simply amazed at how much better he is doing than anybody else...plus on top of it all, he is pitching in a hitter's park. I haven't looked in to the numbers specifically, but I'd guess that adjusting for the ballpark factor, Roger is doing even better...as amazing as that is. A pitcher has only one job...that is to prevent runs from scoring...not to strikeout guys, not to keep runners off base, not to hit home runs...keep men from scoring. The only argument I might listen to is innings pitched...I'd consider more IP a factor in my decision. Now if the NL would just adopt the DH :-) >From: "Greg (yaz)" >To: ,,"Mac Wubben" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0500 >I, for one believe Chris Carpenter is having a better year. I love Clemens, >(now that he's not a Yankee), but except for the ERA, Carpenter is >the Rocket in all categories, (the WHIP is about a draw). Carpenter's ERA >a not-to-shabby 2.24 and with a 17-4 record and more innings pitched and >K's. When you give up 1.35 ER's per nine like Clemens or 2.24 like >Carpenter, you will win some games if you are still around in the ninth. >Maybe some of those six more wins Carpenter has would have come to Clemens >if he stayed until the ninth, or maybe his ERA and loss total might rise >Greg (yaz) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mac Wubben" >To: ; >Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:25 PM >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens > > Does anybody really think he is not a lock for another Cy Young award? > > always thought it was ridiculous that run support is considered. Not > > is Clemens pitching better than anyone, he is hitting all right too. So > > his > > teammates can't score for him, does that make him less of a pitcher? I > > don't think the question should be...is he going to win the cy young or > > not...but is he having pitching better than anyone else has ever > > > > Mac > > > > > >>From: Wite3@aol.com > >>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens > >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:53 EDT > >> > >>So...The Rocket has to give up 37 runs in his next start BEFORE > >>an > >>out to move his ERA up to a huge 2.00...I remember watching Nolan in his > >>40s > >>pitch against the Dodgers and Angels and marveled at how fast he pitched > >>still but I have to say that Clemens is not only pitching with power > >>absolutely has the best control in the leauge (and is hurting!)...if > >>the 'Stros > >>could score a run every now and then, Clemens would be a lock for > >>Cy > >>Young (might have to change the award name)... > >> > >>Joshua > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > ================= To: , Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:11:20 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens I don't know about .270 hitter and .448 hitters. I do know if the April 10th start was removed from Carpenter's record when he gave up 8 ERs in 3 innings, his ERA would be 1.67 and his record would be 17-3. Clemens has gone 8 innings 3 times. Carpenter has gone 8 innings 4 times....and 9 innings 7 times with 4 shoutouts. My point is that it is easier to give up 0 runs in 7 innings then it is to give up 0 runs in 8 innings and 9 innings and if Clemens did go the extra inning or two there is a great chance he would give up more runs. I mean he's coming out in the 7th because he's tired, not because the Houston bullpen is invincible. When the season is done, you'll see that maybe there was a contest after all because Carpenter seems to be getting stronger every week. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens > To me this is like saying a .270 hitter is just as good as a .448 hitter > because the .270 hitter has more RBI. Roger is giving up a little over > half > of the runs that carpenter is giving up...it's just not a contest. > Carpenter is having a great year, but lets try to keep things is > perspective. I don't like Roger all that much either...but I'm simply > amazed at how much better he is doing than anybody else...plus on top of > it > all, he is pitching in a hitter's park. I haven't looked in to the > numbers > specifically, but I'd guess that adjusting for the ballpark factor, Roger > is > doing even better...as amazing as that is. A pitcher has only one > job...that is to prevent runs from scoring...not to strikeout guys, not to > keep runners off base, not to hit home runs...keep men from scoring. The > only argument I might listen to is innings pitched...I'd consider more IP > a > factor in my decision. > Now if the NL would just adopt the DH :-) > Mac >>From: "Greg (yaz)" >>To: ,,"Mac Wubben" >>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >>Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:03:37 -0500 >>I, for one believe Chris Carpenter is having a better year. I love >>(now that he's not a Yankee), but except for the ERA, Carpenter is >>the Rocket in all categories, (the WHIP is about a draw). Carpenter's ERA >>a not-to-shabby 2.24 and with a 17-4 record and more innings pitched and >>K's. When you give up 1.35 ER's per nine like Clemens or 2.24 like >>Carpenter, you will win some games if you are still around in the ninth. >>Maybe some of those six more wins Carpenter has would have come to Clemens >>if he stayed until the ninth, or maybe his ERA and loss total might rise >>Greg (yaz) >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Mac Wubben" >>To: ; >>Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 4:25 PM >>Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >> > Does anybody really think he is not a lock for another Cy Young award? >> > always thought it was ridiculous that run support is considered. Not >> > is Clemens pitching better than anyone, he is hitting all right too. >> > So >> > his >> > teammates can't score for him, does that make him less of a pitcher? I >> > don't think the question should be...is he going to win the cy young or >> > not...but is he having pitching better than anyone else has ever >> > >> > Mac >> > >> > >> >>From: Wite3@aol.com >> >>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens >> >>Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 02:08:53 EDT >> >> >> >>So...The Rocket has to give up 37 runs in his next start BEFORE >> >>an >> >>out to move his ERA up to a huge 2.00...I remember watching Nolan in >> >>his >> >>40s >> >>pitch against the Dodgers and Angels and marveled at how fast he >> >>pitched >> >>still but I have to say that Clemens is not only pitching with power >> >>absolutely has the best control in the leauge (and is hurting!)...if >> >>the 'Stros >> >>could score a run every now and then, Clemens would be a lock for >> >>Cy >> >>Young (might have to change the award name)... >> >> >> >>Joshua >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:57:56 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Clemens I'm in a comprehensive Yahoo League in which there are points given and taken away per game for various stats. I thought it would be worthy to add for the discussion. Here is the breakdown of points and categories: R (1), H (1), 1B (0), 2B (1), 3B (2), HR (3), RBI (1), SF (1), SB (2), CS (-1), BB (1), IBB (1), HBP (1), K (-1), W (10), L (-5), CG (10), SHO (10), SV (15), OUT (1), H (-1), ER (-1), BB (-1), IBB (-1), HBP (-1), K (1), WP (-1), BLK (-1), SVOP (-5) Clemens for the season has 548 points via this breakdown.. 164 IP, 11-4 won/loss, 0 CG, 0 Shutouts, 492 outs, 108 hits, 24 ER, 44 Walks, 2 IBB, 2 HBP, 148 K, 1 WP, 1 Balk Carpenter for the season has 736 points with these stats... 180.1 IP, 17-4 won/loss. 6 CG, 4 shutouts, 541 outs 137 hits, 45 ER, 39 walks, 0 IBB, 1 HBP, 169 K, 2 WP and 0 balks. Now all we would have to do is find a true definition of what the qualities of the Cy Young award pitcher would lead in. John Leroux ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:51:50 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? According to a message he posted on the OBC Message board last November Chahta@intergate.com (not sachahta@intergate.com) >From: cardclctor@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? >Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:12:31 EDT >In a message dated Mon, 15 Aug 2005 17:44:51, "larry tipton" < >larry.tipton@netzero.net> writes: > > I am fine and well here in N Florida. Busy.. > > > > Two Grandkids now! > > > > Could someone send me Mark Sheltons email address? > > >I caught Chahta on IM: >Didn't say if he ever finished the 57 set though, >Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 13:58:15 EDT To: boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? could one of you "old timers" let us newbies know who mark shelton is? tnx, ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:22:36 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? For those of you who do not know Mark Shelton... Mark lived in the midwest and is a native american (at least part of him is...don't ask me which part)...Mark collected '61 topps and '57 Topps and the Goudey Indian cards...Mark was one of the first to actually send out hard copy lists of his wanted cards that we could fill in for him (I still have these)...Mark was one of the most generous and down to earth people I have ever known. I never met him in person but have managed to im him about once a year for the last 10-12...not sure if he still actively collects...family, money, life caught up with him...it is a testament to OBC and Mark that so many people have fond memories of him. I am sure people can add more memories but I am at work and time is short... ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 16:27:58 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? In a message dated 8/17/2005 3:22:36 PM Central Standard Time, Wite3 writes: For those of you who do not know Mark Shelton... Mark lived in the midwest and is a native american (at least part of him is...don't ask me which part)...Mark collected '61 topps and '57 Topps and the Goudey Indian cards...Mark was one of the first to actually send out hard copy lists of his wanted cards that we could fill in for him (I still have these)...Mark was one of the most generous and down to earth people I have ever known. I never met him in person but have managed to im him about once a year for the last 10-12...not sure if he still actively collects...family, money, life caught up with him...it is a testament to OBC and Mark that so many people have fond memories of him. I am sure people can add more memories but I am at work and time is short... i'm sorry that he is no longer in the group. perhaps he can be convinced to join up again. gm ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:12:00 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, Smartalecx@aol.com, boreed@hotmail.com, From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Mark Sheltons E-Mail? Mark was the one who got me into the OBC. He did, however make sure that he had all my 61 Topps dupes before introducing me to the others! Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 18:38:22 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mark Shelton In a message dated 17 Aug 2005 00:55:28, "obcjohn@knology.net" < obcjohn@knology.net> writes: > I tried both emails: > chata1@aol.com and sachata@intergate.com > Neither worked. > Bama Mark said he hasn't had AOL in several years... but I think the real problem is that he's always had TWO h's in his e-mail address: Ken M ================= Date: 18 Aug 2005 01:50:45 -0000 To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mark Shelton Guys, you've identified my proble. I can't read!! I'm sure the correctly spelled email will work just fine. ------------- Original message follows ------------- In a message dated 17 Aug 2005 00:55:28, "obcjohn@knology.net" < obcjohn@knology.net> writes: > I tried both emails: > chata1@aol.com and sachata@intergate.com > Neither worked. > Bama Mark said he hasn't had AOL in several years... but I think the real problem is that he's always had TWO h's in his e-mail address: Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:15:05 EDT To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Brock and Debbie are back in LA As you may have noticed from the thanks for the cards that were on hand when I returned to Gulf Shores last night, Crazy Debbie and I are back on the beach. If anyone would like the 15 page details of our 2 1/2+ month tour of the west, let me know and I will send you the journal that CD kept. It is nice to be back to our own bed and to my own golf courses!!! We had a great trip, but we forgot how humid and hot LA could be. Take care, Gulf Shores, AL ================= Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 00:23:11 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mark Shelton In a message dated 8/17/05 9:50:54 PM, obcjohn@knology.net writes: > Guys, you've identified my proble. I can't read!! I'm sure the correctly > spelled email will work just fine. Lucky for you it took us just under eight years since you joined the group to figure that out. Don't worry though. It's not as bad as you think, since most of us can't spell Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 07:43:31 EDT To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Summer vacation ramble Greetings gang, Here's my report on what I did for my summer vacation. I'm submitting it only 28 years late for my 6th grade English class, but the vacation I took when I was 10 wasn't nearly as interesting. The trip started off with a five hour drive to my aunt's house in NY Saturday afternoon. I was careful not to leave my arm out the window this time and avoid any 'heart attacks' like I had the last time I drove to Chicago. Spent some time with my cousin, who I hadn't seen in a while and headed for the Windy City early Tuesday. The trip to Chicago was a lot longer (and hotter). After about 11 hours on the road, I was finally within 20 miles of my hotel. Unfortunately, this coincided with rush hour traffic. Adding even more time to my commute was a pouring rainstorm, which didn't even cool things off much. I checked into my room at about 8 PM. I called Steve Rittenberg, who I figured was the only one already in town and we met up for dinner (mine, as he had already eaten) at the Chili's across the street from the hotel. Wednesday: Met up with Steve again for breakfast across the street from the hotel - this time at IHOP. Dropped Steve off at the Convention Center, so he could scoop up the last few really good bargains he might've missed yesterday and returned to my room. I was waiting for Sal to call (I have no cell phone), so we could meet up and go to the Cubs' game. He had scored a great deal on tickets on eBay. Checking into his room proved to be somewhat of a hassle, so we barely had time to drive to the game. We sat down in our seats right after the National Anthem and watched a great game, while feasting on assorted items brought around by the vendors. Aside from the lower food prices, one thing I noticed about Wrigley: there's a thousand beer vendors, but no soda vendors. At times, there were two or three beer guys standing next to each other, when all I wanted was a hot dog and a Pepsi. Maybe the Cubs are always so bad that they feel they have to get the whole crowd drunk to enjoy the game? The home team won on a bottom of the ninth comeback - produced by two players on my fantasy team, so mostly everyone went home happy anyway. Dropped off Sal at his hotel, but returned shortly afterwards to head to the show with him and Kent Goto. We took the ride over in Kent's truck and I left my car at the other hotel. The show was only open for a couple hours 'Preview' for VIP's and dealers. I didn't buy much of anything, as I was without my list and didn't want to spend a fortune right off the bat anyway. There'd still be four days of browsing left after tonight. A bunch of us capped off the night with dinner at Chili's and I walked across the street back to the hotel and hit the hay after spending some time swapping cards in Steve's room. Thursday: Woke up early and hung around the room until about 9. Called a couple people to see if they wanted to go out for breakfast. Went over to IHOP with Shawn Adkins and Ray Luurs, since most of the others in town were asleep (Sal) or already at the show (Kent and Steve). After breakfast, we took the free shuttle from the hotel to the Convention center. A bunch of us decided to meet up for dinner after the show closed. Unfortunately, the crowds of people all had the same basic idea, so it took one of OBC's traditional misguided driving excursions before we all found a suitable place that was far enough away so we could eat without a 90 minute wait. Friday: Practically skipped breakfast, so I could head to the show with Steve. I grabbed a 6 oz. cup of yogurt that sells in my store for 75 cents at the hotel price of $2+ but I got a free spoon and napkin with it. We ended up waiting around at the Convention Center anyway, since they weren't letting the dealers in until 8:30 today. Spent most of the day crossing off Kellogg's cards from my list. I saw only a couple Leaf SP's at the show. I was hoping to knock off one or two, but there were only two tables in the whole place with any selection. One was 707 Sportscards, which probably had all four on my list if I wanted to mortgage the house to buy them. The other table had a bunch that were really nice looking - and just as, if not more expensive. After the show, we all converged at Mother Hubbard's in town. We were treated to dinner by the "Rittenberg Brothers" and a bunch of us took an adventurous ride back to the hotel on the L. Saturday: Decided not to take the very first shuttle over to the Convention Center and do something different for breakfast. There was a Krispy Kreme donut place across the street from the hotel. I was going to drive, but realized my car keys were still in the hotel room when I got outside, so I walked over and bought a dozen donuts ...plus they give you one free while you're waiting in line. I ate that and about half the box by myself before bringing the rest to Kevin Savage's table at the show. Knocked off a few cards on my football list, which is only a few cards to begin with (Hornung RC, Starr RC, Biletnikoff RC, etc). I even found a slightly beat up Ditka RC that wasn't a small fortune to finish that set (and in Chicago of all places)! After the show, I headed back to the hotel for the swap session, which turned out to be the best attended and (although it isn't saying much) most smoothly run swap to date. Everyone was well fed, there was plenty of soda and everyone seemed to have a great time. Headed over to the Steak + Shake across the street from the hotel with Mike Rich (who doesn't eat pizza) and capped everything off with a milkshake. It was upon returning from this that I realized, "I don't think my car is still parked at the hotel any more." After a few stressful minutes wondering what could've happened to it, I remembered: It's still parked over at Sal and Kent's hotel down the street... right where I left it three days ago. I retrieved it with the help of Mike Rich and retired at about 1 AM. Sunday: The last day of the show I spent mostly wandering around and participating in a couple UV football 'box wars'. Despite the poor attendance at the show and for the box wars, I was unable to win any of the cool UV prizes. Most of the dealers closed up early and left. I helped Greg Fisher by waiting around his table while he got his van. The Convention Center people and local police were turning the move out into a much longer ordeal that it should have been, so I decided not to wait around for Steve to help load up Kevin Savage's table and headed back to the hotel via the L to the airport and the free shuttle to the hotel from there. I crashed in Steve's room for a couple hours before heading back east at about 11PM. The trip to Joe Greco's house took about 12 hours. There I spent the rest of the week enjoying a true vacation - rest and relaxation with an occasional trip to the mall, a movie and even a potato chip factory. It wasn't until 1/2 hour before I was to make the final leg of the journey home that my car reared it's ugly head (aside from my thinking it was stolen by some poor sap in Chicago). Joe noticed that the back tire was flat. It wasn't a big surprise to me, since it had been making some funny noise all the way to and from Chicago. After stopping by a local place for a fresh wheel, I finally arrived home unscathed by any further problems and finally got around to putting away cards and updating my list online. The following Saturday (after a week of trying to straighten out the mess of a dairy dept. I had been left with), I joined the Mike Rich East Coast Tour by accompanying him to a game at Fenway. The tickets were provided by the generous Bob Donaldson and the game was pleasant to watch, especially for this home town fan (other than the oppressive heat early on, which was alleviated somewhat by a 1/2 hour rain delay in the sixth). I had just enough time to take the 'T' back to the house, print out some Mapquest directions and show off a little of my collection before heading into to work. Here endeth the report part of this e-mail. THANKS: While I couldn't possibly remember exactly who gave me what over the course of the week in Chicago, I'll attempt to do my best. My apologies if I've forgotten your donation to my collection or your good deeds. First, I'd like the thank the 18-20 people who showed up for the pleasure of their company. I got to add a couple names to my 'other' list - interestingly enough. They're the first and last entries alphabetically (Adkins, Zurawski). Larry made a lasting impression by letting me look through a giant stack of '75 Kellogg's, from which I pulled several of the final cards I needed for the set including the Ryan and Yaz. Kevin Martens handed me a small package of cards - I only remember this because of the note he put into the case: "To Ken From Kevin Martens". Details of the package are best left for another server. Steve Rittenberg spaced out his additions to my collection. The most memorable is the final piece of the '74 Kellogg's set with Jim Palmer. Joe Greco didn't attend the National, but still found a T205 Polar Bear to swap for one in my set... some guy named Bender - I wonder if he had a good curveball? Joe also found a few for my '71 Kellogg's set (a set that seems to be approaching somewhere around a million cards with all the variations). Thanks to Sal for scoring tickets to the Cubs and letting me chauffeur him to the game. THANKS to everyone I met up with and especially to those listed above. You all made my vacation something worth writing about. Lastly, my apologies to my English teacher, Mr. Lafferty for the tardiness of this report. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 00:16:09 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Well loved cards on ebay Nearly all of this sellers items are graded as Good or Poor. Items include a 53 Bowman PeeWee, 53 Bowman Yogi (I bid on that one), 54 Bowman Snider & Campanella, B&W Wilhelm and a few others. Its worth a look! -- Steve http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZbellelulie ================= Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:58:42 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Fwd: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out From: Smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:48:35 EDT Subject: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, hi: before i post the 93 wantlist, wanted to try to knock this set out. here is what i still need. plmk if you can be of any help. tnx, gary mandell 1992 CONLON (SPORTING NEWS) WANTLIST 12 TO GO !!! 513, 535, 557, 567, 575, 584, 585, 587, 601, 633, 638, 645 ================= Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:02:57 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out Date: 8/19/2005 1:40:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: Smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:48:35 EDT Subject: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:58:42 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out ================= Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:04:27 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out Date: 8/19/2005 1:40:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: Smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:48:35 EDT Subject: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:58:42 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: 92 conlons - just a few left to knock it out ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:37:05 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: T205 Polar Bears at $18 each? These seem a little expensive to me. Are there short prints in this lot? I will not be bidding on it but I hope someone else thinks the lots is a good deal. -- Steve http://cgi.ebay.com/Group-fo-5-T205-Cards-with-Polar-Bear-Backs_W0QQitemZ5231940009QQcategoryZ86841QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ================= Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 20:54:11 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T205 Polar Bears at $18 each? The cards are going for only about $15 a card...a okay price...I would expect this lot of 5 cards to go for about $100...no shortprints but t205s have gone up and these present pretty well except the staining... ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" , Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:33:22 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well loved cards on ebay Thanks Steve, 2 of the 5 54 Bowmans I need are here. Fair warning to all, I may try to snipe the Campy and Snider if they are still in affordable range and I don't forget. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" To: "Ramblings" Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2005 11:16 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Well loved cards on ebay > Nearly all of this sellers items are graded as Good or Poor. Items > include > a 53 Bowman PeeWee, 53 Bowman Yogi (I bid on that one), 54 Bowman Snider & > Campanella, B&W Wilhelm and a few others. Its worth a look! -- Steve > http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZbellelulie > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 13:14:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich Tour DC, MD, VA area I am still north of Philly, being hosted by Rick & Deb Svetecz. This morning we are going to a small card show (little hope of finding vintage at reasonable prices) followed by a trip to Philly and then a game tonite. Tomorrow I head to Steve Rittenberg's for a stay through Thursday nite, leaving Friday heading back home to Detroit (probably via way of Pittsburgh, Cleveland & Toledo). Monday nite, August 22, Peter Mead's family, Ed Schott and I expect to take in a Bowie Bay Sox game. Tuesday, Baltimore Orioles have a game, Wednesday the Washington Nationals and Thursday, the Potomac Nationals play. If anyone is available to accompany me/us (I am sure Steve is planning on some/all of these games) to any games, or is available during the day, to show me the sites, please let me know. My cell phone is once again working (248) 709-2235. Again thanks to everyone who have made this a trip of a lifetime already. Between family and friends, I so far have only had to stay in a motel/hotel one nite, with a trip that started August 3. More than saving a few bucks, has been the companionship to share the trip with. Also seeing a few collections has been fun. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 12:23:01 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item ================= To: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:29:45 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) If there was an Ebay hall of shame this guy would be in it. He buys old Reach Guides cuts them up, grades the pictures himself hoping to fool someone into thinking they are buying an old BB card. Check out his negs http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=libertyforall -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:23 PM To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) This is what Mark Macrae warned me about years ago (link attached). This guy cut a pic from a publication and got it graded. Bidders are hidden so you can't explain/warn them what REACH is etc. He has 99% pos & is up front, although the TITLE hides things IMO. Worth maybe .25 IMO, unless the holder can be re-used! Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 17:16:18 EDT To: obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5... THAT is a great webpage! Bookmark that one if you do a lot of Ebaying! And this guy really has no clue. I can't stand people who type U and ur. Sheesh WTF happened to english in this country. And to do that as a "businessman", it's a shame. ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) Date: 8/20/2005 3:21:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: obcbobd@comcast.net (Bob Donaldson) Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com If there was an Ebay hall of shame this guy would be in it. He buys old Reach Guides cuts them up, grades the pictures himself hoping to fool someone into thinking they are buying an old BB card. Check out his negs http://www.toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?User=libertyforall -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2005 12:23 PM To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) This is what Mark Macrae warned me about years ago (link attached). This guy cut a pic from a publication and got it graded. Bidders are hidden so you can't explain/warn them what REACH is etc. He has 99% pos & is up front, although the TITLE hides things IMO. Worth maybe .25 IMO, unless the holder can be re-used! Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xl05.mx.aol.com (rly-xl05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.54]) by air-xl01.mail.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXL12-5d5430782a924c; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:21:32 -0400 Received: from n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n12a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.20]) by rly-xl05.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL53-5d5430782a924c; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 15:21:13 -0400 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=lima; d=yahoogroups.com; Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n12.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 19:20:27 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.103] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2005 19:20:27 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: obcbobd@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 21498 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2005 19:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2005 19:20:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (204.127.198.39) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2005 19:20:26 -0000 Received: from maoutrd9689lt01 by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005082018310901500mqp4ue>; Sat, 20 Aug 2005 18:31:10 +0000 To: Message-ID: <004001c5a5b5$2438e820$0600a8c0@ait.itservices.sbc.com> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <1829-430758E5-3527@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Importance: Normal X-Originating-IP: 204.127.198.39 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Bob Donaldson" X-Yahoo-Profile: bobchrislizwil Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:29:45 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:2:510848081:15032385 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 ================= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 08:04:18 -0700 (PDT) To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1910 Detroit Tigers #26-3 ED SUMMERS Graded NMMT 8 (item 5232438944 end time Aug-29-05 02:57:50 PDT) --- keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > This is what Mark Macrae warned me about years ago > (link attached). > This guy cut a pic from a publication and got it > graded. Actually, Keith...it's been discovered that this seller's "grading company" is located at the same Honolulu address as his "business." No surprise there...but it just shows that there are a lot of people who'll buy something first and do their homework later (and of course, when they realize what they recieved it's too late). Despite the fact that Libertyforall has been shown to be a poor seller (I really can't call him a fraud because he does state everything in his long auction description), eBay is making too much money from him to ever deal with him. But just as quickly as this seller stands behind "I told you so in the auction description," eBay will say that they are "merely a marketplace" and have no say over what is being sold...as long as the item isn't on their "no-no" list (Guns, Nazi memorabilia, your kidney, etc.). Take care, Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:01:38 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 I am trying to track down the OBC'er I promised a skinned 54 Topps Williams #250. I lost the email, and have since forgotten whom I promised the card to. Please shoot me an email if I promised you the card. Erik Greenwood ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:21:31 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 Erik & Leticia Greenwood would like to recall the message, "[OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005". ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 10:21:48 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: 54 Topps Williams #250 I am trying to track down the OBC'er I promised a skinned 54 Topps Williams #250. I lost the email, and have since forgotten whom I promised the card to. Please shoot me an email if I promised you the card. Erik Greenwood ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:26:37 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Sender: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 78897 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 17:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) (81.103.221.48) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 17:30:24 -0000 Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050821172639.JFHV23002.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:26:39 +0100 Received: from glenned6d7fd37 ([82.29.67.146]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050821172639.UABS3432.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@glenned6d7fd37> for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:26:39 +0100 To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 18:26:37 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: attachment; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000D3121786205FC34DBA608D8F6F9173BF246E2000 X-Originating-IP: 81.103.221.48 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Glenn" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=156236463; y=1-EIHroq8dKB97IKAr-l5g_8l7O79KtqvzvVwdh-jQB5wPSbpSM X-Yahoo-Profile: glenncodere ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:40:39 -0500 From: "kwolf" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Sender: kwolf@cableone.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5413 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 17:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 17:40:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO S3.cableone.net) (24.116.0.229) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 17:40:45 -0000 Received: from KIDS (unverified [24.119.179.212]) by S3.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service S3) with ESMTP id 28869330 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:03:15 -0700 Return-Path: To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 12:40:39 -0500 Message-ID: <009701c5a677$71e43f30$6501a8c0@KIDS> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: attachment; X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000154E6EADE2B28D438C2F4B4E3D00233D842B2200 X-SpamDetect: ****: 4.092000 Whole message is base64 encoded=2.0,Forged mail pretending to be from MS Outlook IMO=2.1 X-IP-stats: No info recorded yet X-External-IP: 24.119.179.212 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net X-Originating-IP: 24.116.0.229 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "kwolf" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=134871111 ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:08:53 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Sender: el_greenwood@adelphia.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 61057 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2005 18:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Aug 2005 18:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta10.adelphia.net) (68.168.78.202) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2005 18:11:38 -0000 Received: from 2BF5A0EDEE16429 ([68.68.54.226]) by mta10.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.01 201-2131-118-101-20041129) with ESMTP id <20050821180957.LJCB19267.mta10.adelphia.net@2BF5A0EDEE16429> for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:09:57 -0400 To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 11:08:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: attachment; X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000006F23C68B5A06C1429273FE5C354AD6DE24162900 X-Originating-IP: 68.168.78.202 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=191562353; y=OLtze4wT7yFXxAfj7PDA0TvMFJ7ohCmjecOZSAUOzK877DyAddbZ X-Yahoo-Profile: el_greenwood ================= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 13:54:42 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Availables: T-shirts, baseballs Hey guys, I'm thinning out my possessions and came across some baseball stuff. Interested? Send me a note. T-shirt from last Mariners game at the Kingdome (M's / Rangers, thanks again to Al who took me to the game) T-shirt from first Mariners / Dodgers interleague series (shows Griffey and Solid black Dodgers baseball, "Dodgers" in silver script Hideo Nomo Dodgers baseball Orel Hershiser Dodgers baseball Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:18:06 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Availables: Garvey Star set Sorta UV, sorta not: I've got an extra wrapped Steve Garvey Star set for the taking. Let me know if you're interested! Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 14:33:40 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Availables: another Garvey oddball item I've got an RC Cola can with Garvey's likeness on it. Probably released in 1977, based on stats on can. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:20:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: OBC-Dupes Looking for a Home The final 26 installments of "OBC-Dupes Looking for a Home" will go out in the mail tomorrow. It was asked: I was able to hit 93 want lists. I perused & struckout on 31 want lists. But several of those I was able to hit while in Chicago. Overall, a pretty good batting average. Hope ya'll enjoy em, ================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:02:43 -0500 To: From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Subject: Message Recall Failure: [OBC-Ramblings] Recall: [OBC-Wantlist] Jim Hatch's wantlist 8/2005 ================= Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 12:25:24 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: Vacation Time Again Finally Hi! All, I'm now in Sacramento and heading down to Sequoia National Park today, Yosemite National Park tomorrow, and then on to Lake Tahoe later in the week. It's been nice to be home with my family. It's still hard to take that my father has been gone two years after going to the cemetery for a visit. TTYL, Kent ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 22:19:55 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Toploaders for Dexter Press I've a toploader that fits a 1968 Dexter Press (5.5" x 7")card perfectly. The inside of the toploader measures 5 5/8" x 7 1/8". I'm looking to get some more but when I look on-line at sites like http://www.cardsnetwork.com I only see 5x7 or 6x9. Does anyone know where to get toploaders that will fit a Dexter Press card? ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:07:50 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Cool new card!! OBCers -- Check out this cool card I just received today from Ebay - it's a 1970 Dave Concepcion Venezuelan card (please don't tell Pat Robertson)! What makes it especially cool, is that for my 1970 World Series type card, I was going to have to use a 1971 Concepcion card, since that's his RC. Instead, I ran across this gem (well, maybe not a gem). It must have been issued after the WS because it talks about his appearance in la Serie Mundial contra los Orioles de Baltimore. Just thought I would share...anybody else get anything cool lately they would like to include in 'show and tell'?? Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 20:29:00 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: And another one... OBCers -- Andy Cook's Kelloggs card satisfied my 1974 Sal Bando need, but here's a pick up for my 1973 Bando A's/Mets section of my binder. It's a J.D. McCarthy Postcard for those wondering...it's probably not the uniforms for 1973, but I'll count it anyway since the postcards were produced for multiple seasons until a player ran out of them and requested more. Besides, it's different than a Topps card and it my collection - therefore, my rules!! Take Care, Geno ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:18:07 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Reasonably priced 1972 high numbers for sale from www.simsclassicsports.com Hi all. I know lots of people are working on 72 high numbers. There is a nice group of them available from Simsclassicsports.com. Here's the link: http://www.simsclassicsports.com/ The high numbers are mainly available in VG or VG/EX for $1.50 to $2.00. There are a couple in G as well for $1. Use me as a reference if you haven't bought there before -- and I'll get a kickback!!! Shipping in cheap too. 1-9 cards is just $1.00 and 10-20 cards is $1.50 for shipping. ================= To: , "geno.wagner" Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 17:57:17 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! One of my latest T205's. I only need about 35 for the set, mostly commons too C'mon folks, get your scanners warmed up and let's see some of those cards that we keep talking about here !! Show me your Tipton's, show us your beat up prewars, let us see that psycho high number that brought your set downto 6 left... OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! OBCers -- Check out this cool card I just received today from Ebay - it's a 1970 Dave Concepcion Venezuelan card (please don't tell Pat Robertson)! What makesit especially cool, is that for my 1970 World Series type card, I was going to have to use a 1971 Concepcion card, since that's his RC. Instead, I ran across this gem (well, maybe not a gem). It must have been issued after the WS because it talks about his appearance in la Serie Mundial contra los Orioles de Baltimore. Just thought I would share...anybody else get anything cool lately they would like to include in 'show and tell'?? Take Care, Geno YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:27:49 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! Great idea for a thread. Last month I had a bit of extra $ in the BB card slush fund and I Down to under 90 for the basic set! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 22:48:51 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! Straight from ebay...slabbed too, just not sure why unless you like proof of the low grade (ok, some might like it authenticated too I suppose). Good OBC card no? ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:18:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich Tour heads towards Pittsburgh I am planning on heading towards Pittsburgh on Friday, August 26 to stay with some cousins' for a day. I plan on going to the Pirates game Friday nite. Please call me on my cell ((248) 709-2235) if you are interested in joining me. From there onto Cleveland, Toledo and then home. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:34:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich Tour update Last nite, Steve Rittenberg (my DC area host), Peter Mead (and family) and Ed Schott went to a Bowie Bay Sox game. Although prces were high for a minor league game (ticket choices were $15, $12 or $9 and concessions were likewise) we had a very enjoyable time catching up and watching Altoona beat Bowie with a Grand Slam in the late Today, Steve took me to House of Cards and I got 2 of the last 22 Bowman Fb I need, ammong other items, so that was huge. I went to the Orioles game alone. Ed Schott had told us about a card shop about q5t minutes from the stdium that was open until 7:00. Turns out they are only open that late on Thursday and Fridays. They closed at 6 today, so I missed it. I got to the stadium around 6:15 or so and had been told about a legal scalping area. I went over and was able to procure a $45 face value ticket for $20. Seat was about 15 rows behind the Orioles dugout. FANTASTIC seat! I walked around bfore the gaem and there is a BBQ area for a consession owned by Boog Powell. I was able to get him to autograph my ticket stub and score card. He told me to try the turkey sandwich and skip the roast beef tonite. Boog talks, I listened. Turkey was fine. He also suggested I need to grow more hair on my head and die my chest hair. I guess I will not listen to everything he said. Around the 5th inning I caught a foul ball hit by former Tiger Chris Gomez. My 2nd foul ball ever. I went back to Boog's area around the 7th inning to get it signed, but he was gone already. The score was 5-1 and dominated by the Angels, I thought about leaving. Instead I went back to my seat adn saw the Angels score 2 more runs in the 9th to make it 7-2 (Tejada had hit a solo shot for the O's in the 8th) at that point. In the 9th, the O's rallied and Tejada came up and hit a GRAND SLAm to make it 7-6. Tejada's 2nd homer in 2 innings and the 2nd Grand Slam I saw in 2 days. So great seat at reasonable price, 2 autographs, a foul ball, a Grand Slam and a game that ended up close. This is after getting some hits to the wantlist today. A terrific Tuesday! Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 01:07:10 -0400 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! I do not know how to use Steve's scanner so I will tell you about a OBC type pick-up about 2 weeks ago in Rochester, NY area. Many of you know that I collect the 1976 disc cards, with the various backs. I made starter sets available for the 1976 (and 1977) Dairy Isle sets at the National (note: after, September 1, I will accept requests for starter sets of these, as I still have a ton left). There were numerous sponsors of the set. I have some Towne Club, Sweet Isaly's (see my wantlist), Crane's, Little Caesars, etc. from the set. I had heard about a card store (Fumbles) in a shopping mall, not that far away. When I got to the shopping center, I was hot and thirsty, so I stopped in the ice cream store and got some juice. The card store had some items I picked up including a set of Buckman's Discs. Turns out I was in Buckman Plaza and had got the juice from Buckman's Ice Cream which was one of the sponsors of the card set. The card shop had bought out the supply from the ice cream store when the promotion ended and he still has a few sets left. The backs of the cards actually have the store address that I got my juice from. Somewhere I have my receipt still to keep with the set. I thought that was pretty funny to get the set where they were distributed almost 30 years ago. I also somewhere have the E-mail and phone number for Fumbles if anyone else would like to buy a set (I paid $20, figure a couple of $ for postage). Set books for $60 in the 2004 SCD. Tell him you got the name from the guy from Detroit who collects everything. (I also got my 1968 LongbErg variation there, plus some prewar HOFers, 1962 & 1963 Salada BB coins. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:07:50 +0100 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! OBCers -- Check out this cool card I just received today from Ebay - it's a 1970 Dave Concepcion Venezuelan card (please don't tell Pat Robertson)! What makes it especially cool, is that for my 1970 World Series type card, I was going to have to use a 1971 Concepcion card, since that's his RC. Instead, I ran across this gem (well, maybe not a gem). It must have been issued after the WS because it talks about his appearance in la Serie Mundial contra los Orioles de Baltimore. Just thought I would share...anybody else get anything cool lately they would like to include in 'show and tell'?? Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links Attached Image: ven01.jpg [Image removed] ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 06:21:09 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! Mac -- It looks like Hughie got into Mrs. Jennings lipstick... Great cards, fellas!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:48 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! > Straight from ebay...slabbed too, just not sure why unless you like proof > of > the low grade (ok, some might like it authenticated too I suppose). Good > OBC card no? > Mac > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 04:41:03 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: New card: 1936 National Chicle Maranville's How To Content-Disposition: inline After not seeing a single one of these for five years, two were listed on eBay in one week. (One of them ended up in my type collection.) Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 15:35:14 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@YahooGroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: OBC=Old Bastards Clan? www.CafePress.com (exact link to items ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 20:11:19 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! In a message dated Tue, 23 Aug 2005 19:07:50, "geno.wagner" < geno.wagner@ntlworld.com> writes: > OBCers -- > Check out this cool card I just received today from Ebay - it's a 1970 Dave > Concepcion Venezuelan card (please don't tell Pat Robertson)! What makes > especially cool, is that for my 1970 World Series type card, I was going to > have to use a 1971 Concepcion card, since that's his RC. Instead, I ran > across this gem (well, maybe not a gem). It must have been issued after > WS because it talks about his appearance in la Serie Mundial contra los > Orioles de Baltimore. > Just thought I would share...anybody else get anything cool lately they > would like to include in 'show and tell'?? Looked for this one at The National and didn't see any for less than $125... most were several hundred actually. Interestingly enough, the seller was in Chicago, but I gather he didn't want to bring the ugly cards with him to a premium show. Ebay item #5226897281 completes the set for me (except for the unnumbered checklist, which will be a challenge by itself). I'm gonna tuck this away as soon as I hit 'send'. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 18:48:52 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool new card!! Here are a couple of my gems. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 22:40:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jimmy Parker Subject: OBC Faux Pas and the Virtues of small town Post Offices Hey gang, Major mistake in sending out my first wantlist since coming back to active status WITHOUT giving out my new address. I can now be found at: Jimmy Parker 2418 Vines Street Johnson City, TN 37604 Stupid me updated my address on the website, but it seems that a few guys have welcomed me back in true OBC style by sending packages to the address that was still on the old address list document that was emailed out (do we still do that every couple of months?). Luckily, I previously lived in the same small South Carolina town as my mother. So, being a true small town (think Mayberry but without the great characters), the woman at the post office put packages in my mom's P.O. box rather than return them to sender due to an expired forwarding address (I've moved about 3 times in the last 2 years in search of gainful employment!) My mother has bundled all the packages into one nice "grab bag" which I should be receiving any day now! I've had a few packages in the box here in Tennessee, but I'll hold off on thanks until I have a nice, long stroll down cardboard lane to share with everyone. But for now, suffice it to say a big "Thanks!" to all who have welcomed be back via email and postal service! It's great to be back! Take care, ...Save the gum for me! Anyone working on 50 and 55 Bowman football send me your list for those ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 09:47:38 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: 80T I am trying to kick start this 80T set. We are down to needing only 27 cards and Henderson RC is not one of them. If you can help, I would appreciate it. OBC condition is fine with me. Mark Holland 1980 Topps 4 68 75 77 80 100 116 121 175 199 210 251 257 281 338 406 410 416 499500 526 551 600 610 622 651 681 ================= To: "'Mark Holland'" , Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 08:32:00 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 80T 77, 210, 406, 410, 610, 651 are on their way. Erik Greenwood From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Holland Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 6:48 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 80T I am trying to kick start this 80T set. We are down to needing only 27 cards and Henderson RC is not one of them. If you can help, I would appreciate it. OBC condition is fine with me. Mark Holland 1980 Topps SPONSORED LINKS card display card display case baseball cards baseball card " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "'Mark Holland'" , Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 11:55:30 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 80T Mark: I'm mailing these out: 4 Pete Rose HL 80 Ron LeFlore 100 Johnny Bench 257 Larry Herndon 338 Johnny Wockenfuss These remain on the list: 77 Dave Stieb 210 Steve Carlton 406 Paul Molitor 410 Bobby Bonds 610 John McNamara MGR 651 Sparky Anderson MGR 68 Larry Harlow 75 Bill Russell 116 Larry Cox 121 Checklist No. 1 175 Rick Reuschel 199 Mike LaCoss 251 Kip Young 281 Paul Blair 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Bob Mattick MGR 622 John McNamara MGR 681 George Bamberger MGR ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" To: "'Mark Holland'" ; Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 80T > Mark: > 77, 210, 406, 410, 610, 651 are on their way. > Erik Greenwood > _____ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Mark Holland > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 6:48 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 80T > I am trying to kick start this 80T set. 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OBC condition is fine with me. > Thanks! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 4 > 68 > 75 > 77 > 80 > 100 > 116 > 121 > 175 > 199 > 210 > 251 > 257 > 281 > 338 > 406 > 410 > 416 > 499 > 500 > 526 > 551 > 600 > 610 > 622 > 651 > 681 > SPONSORED LINKS > Baseball > eball+card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+baseball+cards&w > 5=Vintage+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=Et8e-MePj41DWbUMNYHNVw> > cards > Baseball > &w2=Baseball+card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+baseball+ > cards&w5=Vintage+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=9kN1Wvbp5Td-Rl6fs1 > pn4g> card display > Baseball > cards&w2=Baseball+card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+base > ball+cards&w5=Vintage+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=93s1E0AecGfAv > DA7dEPykg> card display case > Beckett > s&w2=Baseball+card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+baseball > +cards&w5=Vintage+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=4JaemmEN0gnIDJG7S > QNaOg> baseball cards > Vintage > &w2=Baseball+card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+baseball+ > cards&w5=Vintage+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=htjk9VXA8G32Eu_IT4 > KgpA> baseball card > Baseball > card+display&w3=Baseball+card+display+case&w4=Beckett+baseball+cards&w5=Vint > age+baseball+card&w6=Baseball&c=6&s=148&.sig=2BUwmMaAA-hnG-saXGF59A> > _____ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings > " on the web. > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. > _____ ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 12:01:52 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Re: Updated 80T Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. Thanks guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 68 Larry Harlow 75 Bill Russell 116 Larry Cox 121 Checklist No. 1 175 Rick Reuschel 199 Mike LaCoss 251 Kip Young 281 Paul Blair 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Bob Mattick MGR 622 John McNamara MGR 681 George Bamberger ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: 80T I am trying to kick start this 80T set. We are down to needing only 27 cards and Henderson RC is not one of them. If you can help, I would appreciate it. OBC condition is fine with me. Mark Holland 1980 Topps 4 68 75 77 80 100 116 121 175 199 210 251 257 281 338 406 410 416 499 500 526 551 600 610 622 651 681 ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 17:07:18 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Fw: 2005 Baseball Price Guide Question OBCers -- I finally got around to updating my Lemke SCD Price Guide by purchasing the 2005 book and was surprised to see a few things, notably postcards, disappear. I emailed Bob and here's what he had to say. Obviously, start reading from the bottom up...if he responds to my second email, I'll forward it along. Wouldn't you love a "pre-1981" only guide?!? I just thought some of you may be interested... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "geno.wagner" To: "Lemke, Bob" Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 6:21 PM Subject: Re: 2005 Baseball Price Guide Question > Bob -- > I know you've heard it before, but it would be great to have the Guide in > two volumes so that vintage collectors (1980 and back) could have more > comprehensive coverage. I know that you want to have complete checklists, > but I think including a 1974 Dodgers postcard set would have more value > than a listing that tells me how much a 1991 Topps Mel Hall or Dan Plesac > is worth. Please don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to be critical. I'm > just trying to offer some feedback as to what I would like to see - of > course I'm just one guy and I'm sure you have market research that drives > what you do. Again, you have the best product on the market, but I think > vintage collectors would benefit from your work if you had a second > volume. > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lemke, Bob" > To: "geno.wagner" > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 2:03 PM > Subject: RE: 2005 Baseball Price Guide Question > Good Morning Geno, > The book buyer's survey done recently indicated the vast majority of > buyers wanted as much coverage as possible dedicated to baseball cards, as > opposed to other forms of collectibles such as team-issued photo packs, > postcards, etc. With the huge volume of new cards being pumped out each > year by the manufacturers, it has required us to cut back on coverage of > the non-card areas. We've added 48 pages to the 2006 book, and with recent > reductions in the number of new card issues, may be able to preserve the > current level of coverage. Thanks for your input. > Regards, > Bob Lemke > -----Original Message----- > From: geno.wagner [mailto:geno.wagner@ntlworld.com] > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:59 AM > To: Lemke, Bob > Subject: 2005 Baseball Price Guide Question > Mr. Lemke -- > I finally got around to ordering the 2005 Price Guide and was very pleased > to see the Venezuelan section beefed up. On the other hand, I noticed a > lot > of the team issued postcard issues disappeared. What happened to those? > Is > there another resource for postcard info that I can use? The previous > guides weren't complete, but at least had a pretty good sample of the > cards. > Thanks for your time and keep up the great work! > Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 16:42:29 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Price Guides Geno's e-mail response from Bob Lemke is not surprising; I think SCD has zero interest in dividing their annual catalog into pre 1981 and post 1980 versions. They could do this very easily but probably nobody would buy the post 1981 book because the buckett baseball plus quarterly magazine is so comprehensive for newer issues. SCD exists to sell books and magazines and the sobriquet of "Voice for the Hobby" is really b.s. With Old Carboard covering pre 1950's and SCD current issues, it seems a new, niche magazine covering the post WW2 era througfh 1980 might be a good idea. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 03:20:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken Morganti" Subject: Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed the last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2005 23:29:04 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not match the number in a fewcases. Here is the corrected and updated version of what I need to finishanother OBC set. Thanks for the help guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 75 Bill Russell 121 Checklist No. 1 251 Kip Young 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Reggie Jackson 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 05:25:47 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Found 7 more to scratch off the list Mark. 251, 416, 500, 526, 551, 622, 681 Take Care, |-----Original Message----- |From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Holland |Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 10:29 PM |To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T |Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also |pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not |match the number in a few cases. Here is the corrected and |updated version of what I need to finish another OBC set. |Thanks for the help guys! |Mark Holland |1980 Topps |75 Bill Russell |121 Checklist No. 1 |251 Kip Young |410 Bobby Bonds |416 Tom Brookens |499 Dave Bristol MGR |500 Tom Seaver |526 Dallas Green MGR |551 Chuck Tanner MGR |600 Reggie Jackson |622 Mario Soto |681 Mets (OROSCO) RC |----- Original Message ----- |From: Ken Morganti |To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM |Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T | I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while |digging, I noticed the |last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the |list below..| ================= To: , Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 08:50:26 -0400 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I have #'s 75, 121, 410 , 499 and 600. With what Shawn has , I think that should be the rest of 'em. Matt Heilenman ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not match the number in a few cases. Here is the corrected and updated version of what I need to finish another OBC set. Thanks for the help guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 75 Bill Russell 121 Checklist No. 1 251 Kip Young 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Reggie Jackson 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC SPONSORED LINKS Baseball cards Baseball card display Baseball card display Beckett baseball cards Vintage baseball card Baseball YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:49:06 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 As you would expect the onslaught on my 1980 set continues. Thanks to MattHeilenman for the latest hits. Here is the updated list. The shaded cards are on the way. Thanks a lot for the help. Mark Holland 1980 Topps Erik Ken Steve Dan Matt 4 68 75 77 80 100 116 121 175 199 210 251 257 281 338 406410 416 499 500 526 551 600 610 622 651 681 Need 25 97% Complete Have 701 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4 Rose HL 500 Seaver 100 Bench 600 Jackson 406 Molitor 251 Kip Young 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Heilenman To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Mark Holland Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I have #'s 75, 121, 410 , 499 and 600. With what Shawn has , I think that should be the rest of 'em. Matt Heilenman ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not match the number in a few cases. Here is the corrected and updated version of what I need to finish another OBC set. Thanks for the help guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 75 Bill Russell 121 Checklist No. 1 251 Kip Young 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Reggie Jackson 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:52:28 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 I have #681..............Its on the way. Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 As you would expect the onslaught on my 1980 set continues. Thanks to MattHeilenman for the latest hits. Here is the updated list. The shaded cards are on the way. Thanks a lot for the help. Mark Holland 1980 Topps Erik Ken Steve Dan Matt 4 68 75 77 80 100 116 121 175 199 210 251 257 281 338 406410 416 499 500 526 551 600 610 622 651 681 Need 25 97% Complete Have 701 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4 Rose HL 500 Seaver 100 Bench 600 Jackson 406 Molitor 251 Kip Young 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Heilenman To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Mark Holland Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I have #'s 75, 121, 410 , 499 and 600. With what Shawn has , I think that should be the rest of 'em. Matt Heilenman ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not match the number in a few cases. Here is the corrected and updated version of what I need to finish another OBC set. Thanks for the help guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 75 Bill Russell 121 Checklist No. 1 251 Kip Young 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Reggie Jackson 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 09:30:27 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Making way for Katrina I'm sure I speak for all of us when I say GOD BLESS YOU to those in the Gulf Brock and Fr Pat and all their friends, families and neighbors...they are all in our thoughts and prayers. OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 6:43 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Making way for Katrina Hi all! After 9:00 Mass this morning, I'm taking my 86 year old grandfather, 84 year old great aunt, her 80 year old friend, and my brother and we're getting the hell out of Dodge as Katrina comes to visit. I took the pre-1980cards, but the others (UV of Topps Donruss and Fleer through the 80s, 90s,and 00's) are staying behind. I'll keep you posted as to what happens. I'll be in Callaway Gardens, Georgia for two days. Father Pat Wattigny YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 11:19:07 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 Looks like great progress has been made on Mark's 1980 list. Good job guys! While you guys are looking through your 1980 dupes, if you happen to stumble across another #4, official hero status will be bestowed on you. That SCP will put the set to bed for me. ================= To: , "Mark Holland" Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 12:35:38 -0600 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 Cross off number #622 Soto. It's in the mail! Marshall West ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:49 AM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T #3 As you would expect the onslaught on my 1980 set continues. Thanks to Matt Heilenman for the latest hits. Here is the updated list. The shaded cards are on the way. Thanks a lot for the help. Mark Holland 1980 Topps Erik Ken Steve Dan Matt 4 68 75 77 80 100 116 121 175 199 210 251 257 281 338 406 410 416 499 500 526 551 600 610 622 651 681 Need 25 97% Complete Have 701 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 4 Rose HL 500 Seaver 100 Bench 600 Jackson 406 Molitor 251 Kip Young 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Heilenman To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Mark Holland Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2005 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I have #'s 75, 121, 410 , 499 and 600. With what Shawn has , I think thatshould be the rest of 'em. Matt Heilenman ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T Ken Morganti joined in the assault on my 80T wantlist. He also pointed out an error in my wantlist where the players did not match the number in afew cases. Here is the corrected and updated version of what I need to finish another OBC set. Thanks for the help guys! Mark Holland 1980 Topps 75 Bill Russell 121 Checklist No. 1 251 Kip Young 410 Bobby Bonds 416 Tom Brookens 499 Dave Bristol MGR 500 Tom Seaver 526 Dallas Green MGR 551 Chuck Tanner MGR 600 Reggie Jackson 622 Mario Soto 681 Mets (OROSCO) RC ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 11:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Updated 80T I found five in the list (68 116 175 199 281) and while digging, I noticed last three cards all listed the wrong names. I have edited the list below... Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" > Just an update Erik Greenwood and Steve Rittenburg have already stepped up to hit my 80 Topps list. Here is the updated list after their assault. > Thanks guys! > Mark Holland > 1980 Topps > 75 Bill Russell > 121 Checklist No. 1 > 251 Kip Young > 410 Bobby Bonds > 416 Tom Brookens > 499 Dave Bristol MGR > 500 Tom Seaver > 526 Dallas Green MGR > 551 Chuck Tanner MGR > 600 Bob Mattick MGR - should be Reggie Jackson > 622 John McNamara MGR - should be Mario Soto > 681 George Bamberger - should be Mets (OROSCO) RC YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 16:50:58 EDT To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: type card dealer recommendation Hello fellow cardboardians, I have been buying some typecard oddities from a gentleman who's site I am attaching. If you are working on a typecard set I would recommend you take a look at his offerings. He will consolidate shipping and has offered me a discount due to volume buying. Best to all, Bob Bannon _http://stores.ebay.com/Lambert-Cards_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQdptZ0QQftidZ2QQtZkm_ (http://stores.ebay.com/Lambert-Cards_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQdptZ0QQftidZ2QQtZkm) (http://games.aol.com/gamewide.adp?id=26367) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 15:00:01 -0700 From: "Richard Ellison" Subject: Help Me, Help Others! OBC donate if you can or not. I don't expect anything, thanks! I miss you all! In a Gallup poll commissioned by the Alzheimer’s Association, 1 in 10 Americans said that they had a family member with Alzheimer’s and 1 in 3 knew someone with the disease. The number of Americans with Alzheimer’s disease will continue to grow – by 2050 the number of individuals with Alzheimer’s could range from 11.3 million to 16 million. Please help me do my part to improve the lives of those affected by Alzheimer's by supporting me with a donation as I walk in the Alzheimer's Association Memory Walk on Treasure Island this October 8th. Proceeds from Memory Walk go directly to improve the lives of those affected by Alzheimer's and promote research and effective treatments. Login to visit my personal web page and help me in my efforts to support Alzheimer's Association - Northern California and Northern Nevada Some email systems do not support the use of links and therefore this link may not appear to work. If so, copy and paste the following into your browser: http://memorywalk.kintera.org/faf/r.asp?t=4&i=100644&u=100644-95693175&e=360958668 Richard Ellison ================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:05:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob D'Angelo" Subject: Prayers and best wishes I echo Brian's sentiments as Father Pat and others who live along the upper Gulf coast (hopefully) evacuate to safety to avoid Hurricane Katrina. My parents got some wind and rain when it went through South Florida and we even got some wind and rain on Thursday, but nothing like what is about to hit the Big Easy. Our prayers go with all of you. ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 17:44:31 -0600 From: "Marshall West" Subject: 2006 National-Anaheim ================= Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2005 22:06:46 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: This week off of EBay Landed this one off of EBay for a mere $4.25, too bad that set isn't on my John Leroux ================= To: trufan999@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:36:03 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This week off of EBay From: trufan999@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] This week off of EBay Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 02:07:03 +0000 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="man61b.JPG" ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:00:30 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: OBC style card show in Portland Oregon Tigerdave (Grant's dealer buddy) sent me a note that I figured should be passed along. Maybe OBC can support the show even without attending? We could send an emissary with our WLs. haha. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tigerdave" To: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Thanks!!! >I was wondering Steve , I was thinking about doing an OBC show in Portland > Oregon. Partly as a fundraiser for my son's school's basketball team but > mostly with the mindset of finding some nice old baseball cards. > I could get the gym at the University for the show but I would like to > put > something really big together , let me know what you think or if its > something the gang would like to do. > tigerdaveobc ================= Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 12:58:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC style card show in Portland Oregon Wow. An OBC style show in my neighborhood? This sounds teriffic to me. If Tiger Dave is looking for an OBC member to help organize this in the area, I would volunteer. What's next? -Dan Coen > Tigerdave (Grant's dealer buddy) sent me a note that I figured should > be > passed along. Maybe OBC can support the show even without attending? > We > could send an emissary with our WLs. haha. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tigerdave" > To: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" > Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2005 9:40 AM > Subject: Re: Thanks!!! > >I was wondering Steve , I was thinking about doing an OBC show in > Portland > > Oregon. Partly as a fundraiser for my son's school's basketball team > but > > mostly with the mindset of finding some nice old baseball cards. > > I could get the gym at the University for the show but I would like to > > put > > something really big together , let me know what you think or if its > > something the gang would like to do. > > tigerdaveobc > YAHOO! 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Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:46:20 EDT To: Biggies@aol.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] type card dealer recommendation I too have bought a few things from them...they are good and do discount ================= To: Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 21:31:50 -0500 From: "Sassy Freegard Schoenrock" Subject: nice batch of cards on ebay if interested http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd1&item5235681581&ssPageNameSTRK:MEWA:IT ================= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 03:58:15 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Seen on eBay: an unusual Triandos Here's a 1957 Swift Meat card only an OBCer could love: http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-Swift-Meats-Baseball-Card-Gus-Triandos-Orioles_W0QQitemZ5236534640QQcategoryZ25129QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: 30 Aug 2005 12:47:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Katrina For those of you following the hurricane, please keep the Padre and Brock in your thought and prayers (if you guys can, give us an update). Mungumry was on the eastern fringe of Katrina and got off very light but the gulf coast from Mobile to New Orleans is a wasteland. Lots of people were killed that we don't know about yet and tens of 1000's are homeless. A million people were evacuated from the area. Now is the time for RAOK. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:36:00 EDT To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Katrina Debbie and I spent the morning cleaning up the yard from Katrina, but other than a few shrubs leaned over and a few wax myrtles snapped off things are fine. The storm lasted a long time here with wind conditions from noon on Sunday until Monday evening. I would guess top gusts were close to 100 MPH. Our power came back on yesterday after several hours. I cannot imagine how life is going to be in S. Louisiana with no power for at least 2 months. While Ivan leveled Gulf Shores/Orange Beach last year and Katrina did the same to Gulfport, MS, neither area is as isolated as NO and SE La. is and will stay. They are saying it will be at least 2 weeks to get the water out of NO. Thanks for thinking about us, but please pray for the real victims. Take care, ================= Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:18:52 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: 70's sets added for the kids In an effort to inspire some trading action I have posted some 70's lists. I have 4 kids and have already built some sets for 2 of them so this is also a good cause for my last will and testament. Thanks for taking a look. _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com/) Bob Bannon ================= Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 05:36:41 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Available: 1954 Red Man NL #5 Irvin Found myself with an extra one of these. It's G/VG, no tab. Any takers? Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 13:59:57 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Football league - currently 3 spots open Hi guys, I'm running a free Yahoo league again this year. There are three spots left and having some OBCers in the action would be great. It's head-to-head, 10-team league with an automated draft that I expect to run on Labor Day (so people can set their lineups before the opener on September 8). You edit a single list of players on the Yahoo site before the draft. If you leave the list unchanged, it'll draft using the average of all other Yahoo leagues, so you shouldn't get rooked with bad players. Three slots are open now. If they fill up, feel free to create a league of your own and post an invite. http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/f1/register/tos?league_id=277940&password=pats Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 02:02:13 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@YahooGroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Steroid Palmeiro Tongue Ring Card item 5027011982 / ESPN/ Doug