================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 23:14:47 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: My take on things I’ve been slow in responding to recent events, not for lack of interest or opinion but simply because I’ve been taking my time in allowing my thoughts to come together. I apologise for potentially opening up the debate again, as a certain modicum of normality seems to have returned to the servers these past 2 days. First off, I’ll state right up front that I cannot condone what Doug has done. I’ve read the charge sheet and the Statement of Fact that appears on the web, both documents signed by Doug and his solicitor. There has been some talk of us not discussing things until we’ve heard all the facts. Unfortunately, due to the fact that a guilty plea has been entered, I believe that all the information we have now is all that we will get. The case doesn’t go to trial, and we will not hear any arguments in Doug’s defence, if any exist. Therefore, the info that we have at the moment is what we must base our opinions on. One point I would like to make is on the subject of abuse. A few posts by OBCers alluded to abuse, or rather the potential for someone who views and distributes child pornography to gravitate in that direction. Trips was quick to jump to Doug’s defence on that point, noting quite correctly that Doug had not been charged with this particular crime, and that no evidence linking him to actual physical abuse existed. While that may be true, I feel the need to point out that those persons who create a market for child pornography by aiding in its distribution, while perhaps not personally taking part in abuse, fuel the need for others to continue to do so. I would still call that a form of abuse by extension. No doubt the sentence given to Doug will reflect his previous good character. On the other hand, the relatively high profile of this case may result in a fairly harsh sentence being meted out in an effort to “make an example” of someone in Doug’s position. I’m fairly sure that he understands the severity of his crime and deeply regrets ever having gotten involved in such actions, however the price for his indiscretion – whatever that may turn out to be - must be paid. I’m no expert on the US legal system, but I’m led to believe that this is a federal charge which carries a MINIMUM 5 year jail sentence (I’m open to being corrected on these points). With that in mind, and without condoning the crime, I do feel sympathy for Doug and the situation that he finds himself in. More so, however, I feel greatly for Judy, who must be going through an incredibly rough time amidst all this. I know that she has a great many friends among OBCers and their families, and I’m sure that some support from that avenue is most likely already I have to admit that I worry greatly for Doug’s mental and physical well being over the months and years to come. It’s my understanding that US federal prisons are incredibly harsh environments, in which prisoners who have been charged with crimes involving children can expect a particularly hard time from both the regime and other prisoners. I sincerely hope that Doug has the fortitude to come through this experience. So the question remains as to what to do concerning Doug’s OBC membership. While it’s obviously not the primary concern on his mind at the moment, I kind of wish Doug himself would tender his own resignation from the group, freeing up the OBCAC from having to take a very difficult decision which will, as Geno has already pointed out, will no doubt result in some people regrettably choosing to quit – no matter what they decide. Personally, I feel that if the OBCAC have to make a decision, it should be to terminate Doug’s membership at this point, but not to expel him for life. Once he has served the time for his crime, he can if he wishes apply to rejoin. I know that there have been some post pointing out that if we do this, where do we draw the line as far as expulsions for criminal activity are concerned? In my opinion, I can easily live with judging any future such decisions on their merit, making my thoughts known via this forum, and leaving a final decision to the OBCAC. One last point I’d like to make is that one can’t help but feel that if this had happened to someone who had joined OBC in recent years, we wouldn’t even be debating his fate. He’d be blackballed immediately. Doug’s tenure in OBC and his longstanding friendships with members simply makes this decision all the more difficult. I’m confident that the OBCAC will take all of the opinions expressed into account, and will make a decision that they feel best reflects the will of the majority of the membership. I for one will stand by that decision. If I disagree strongly with the decision that is made, the chance to voice my displeasure will come with the next election. As has already been stated many times, this is yet another bump in the road for OBC – more of a pothole, really – but we’ve gotten past them before, and we will again. Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 18:49:48 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: New '52T Mantle authentication procedure - does yours pass the "light" test? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category73435&item5181220275&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW I've been lurking the PSA boards recently, and the guys there are ruthless when it comes to exposing fake high-dollar cards. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:38:42 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: Silence is broken... I like everyone else was shocked about the news of Doug Smith. I, too, read the article that was on the internet. I have known Doug since I went on a road trip to Texas for a show at Arlington in 1992. We shared rooms for the National. I have never met a nicer person or more knowledgable person of baseball cards in general. I don't condone his activities but when you have addictions you can't control With our great judicial system. he will get his due. Otherwise, his personal life will be a mess for a while especially with his family as well as his financial future. As life goes on we must learn to forgive because it makes one a better person. If you don't let it go. it makes a person bitter and life is tough enough if one does not know how to forgive. Well enough on my philosophy. On the lighter side, I won an evilbay lot which contained a few items I needed off my wantlist. The leftovers are up for grabs - fcfs or if I owe you payback. Here's what's left and these are in OBC tipton shape: 1935 Goudey 4-1s (R321?) - cut into four pieces - Berry/Vance/Burke/Kress 1935 Goudey 4-1s (R321?) - Hayes/Lyon/Hass/Bonura 1954 Topps #5,7,11,14,34,58,64,72,86,91,108,170,174,179,and 241 1958 Topps #1 and 100 1961 Topps #161 1962 Topps #310 1963 Topps #250 1964 Topps #125 and 423 1970 Topps #500 1971 Topps Coins #4,36,41,88,117,and 125. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 12:58:16 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Thanks + report Howard Morgan met me last night at a twice-annual non-sport show down in southern NJ. We had a little time to walk around and mingle. A few dealers remembered Howard from the last show. I was more concerned with finding hits to his list. We didn't find much for him so more effort/patience is required on my part. I had some luck at the show but not as much as usual. I finished my Freedom's War set (decimated by Mark Talbot and leaving me with just one card) and my Empire Strikes Back set. I got good buys on a few other things but didnt end up with nearly as much as usual. After the show we went to a nearby restuarant for dinner. Between eating crab cakes in a sea of melted butter, salmon + cheeseburgers, we talked about everything and everyone we had in common. When we got back to Howard's place, I was shown the vault. Its actually a closet but "vault" sounds better. In a built in bedroom closet, Howard has more albums than the shelves can hold. The wooden shelves are sagging under the weight! He showed me some of his non-sport treasures. One of them was a huge (1500 card) collection of 19th century non-sport that had been pasted into an album. For some strange reason, the owner had removed the back from nearly every card. But the fronts, for the most part, were beautiful. Howard seems to have a knack for meeting people who are either disposing of their cards or of an estate and he buys 'em out. Thats how he got this one and a few other things. Just amazing. Howard brought out a few things for me to take home -- a nice pile of 47-66 exhibits and the Topps Red Sox commemorative set. I let him help himself to my non-sports dupes and whatever I had bought at the show but I still owe him. Later, he showed me a bit of his baseball library. I think if you've heard of the book, then he owns it! And he showed me some pack fresh 58s and his trade ammo. Yikes! I meekly accept a beautiful 41 Double Play of Grove/Doerr in exchange for a couple of Caramel cards of boxers Howard liked. My visit ended too soon but my appetite has been whetted for the next time I see Howard. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 13:33:10 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Card shop trip Hi gang, Stopped by the post office this afternoon to mail out an eBay payment and a small package of UV cards (for no one in this group, don't worry ). The local card shop is right arounfd the corner from the PO, so I decided to stop in. Usually the prices are extraordinarily high - taken from the Buckett before the ink is even dry on the pages. Of course, they're discounted for condition... so a poor card is roughly half book. Well, a friend of mine had tipped me off earlier in the week about a '55 Topps Aaron that was priced $15. "I put it in the middle of the stack, so no one else would see it right away." Aparently no one did, as it was still there a week later. I guess no one in the city likes vintage cards... at least at full Buckett. The shop owner was out at a local show, so I didn't expect much of a discount from his helper on the Aaron or the other stars he pulled that were less than VG ('60 Kaline, '64 Spahn, '65 Brooks and a '57 Mathews all at $5 each.) I did get the chance to look through some of the older cards that were strewn about the shop. The first pile I picked up had some 67's in it - including an Ed Spiezio variation. "That'll be free." "OK, Can I look through some older commons boxes... like 1968?" "Sure." So he hands me a monster box filled with commons and a few stars from 1958-1976 or so. The first card I looked for was the elusive Mike McCormick. Alas, it's still very elusive. I did find a 58 yellow letter Ennis and a '69 white letter Marshall along with a '73 Buddy Bell with the broken border. "We'll just throw all those in too. That'll be $40." I ended up with a few more cards and spending a bit more than I expected, but I think I came out all right in the end So, anyone looking for a cheap '55 Aaron? TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 14:03:11 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: odds and ends.... I have been out of town for a couple of weeks--so without further adieu..... Condolences to Mr. Talbot on his loss..... Congrats to two of the Grandfathers in the group on the recent additions totheir extended families..... And my thoughts and prayers to my friend Mr. Smith. He has a long road ahead of him. Father Pat, EEK and Kent have each pretty much expressed my thoughts--much more eloquently than I could....... Keep the faith OBC--and focus on the innocent and harmless pleasures of ourperpetual From the soggy east coast, peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:00:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Semi-Annual Toronto show upcoming Most of you recall that there is a semi-annual show in Toronto. The next one is less than 4 weeks away (April 29-May 1). In recent years this has allowed me to hook up with Carlos Alcazar (usually on Saturday and then dinner with his family at Zet's). Additionally, Ron Perry has joined me on multiple occassions as well as Earl Kilborne once or twice. My sister has a house she lets us take over for the weekend, so that I may offer a place to crash to others in the group. Also, I offer my/our services to be designated shoppers for those in the group looking for Canadan issues. If anyone wants to join us, LMK. Also, if anyone wants us to shop for something specific for you, send me your lists by April 20. Please include conditin and price requirements. Include a phone number for a call on high dollar items. We can also look for starter/complete sets. Main focuses will be OPC BB, Parkhurst Hockey and prewar Canadian issues such as World Wide Gum & Ice Kings, but we can look for virtually any Canadian issue. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 21:32:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: I'm glad its April March was not one of the better months I have had in recent years. I sent out the Ramble that I expect to be leaving my job shortly (due to the firm not able to bring in the level of work they expected and therefore want me to take a cut in compensation of approximately 40% from what was proposed when they hired me) and taking a tour of North America this year. They have asked me to wait until at least April 11, to determine my last day. Meanwhile there have some proposals from the company for a new compensation package to keep me. So far, these are still unacceptable, so the trip still appears to be on. To make things more interesting at the office, my top assistant turned in her 1 week notice yesterday. It was not an April Fools joke. She was a decent worker, but one of the most unpleasant people I have ever had to work with, so I have mixed emotions. The biggest problem, is that when I leave, I want things taken care of as much as possible for my customers. There is a lot of work to complete before I will feel comfortable leaving. It makes it hard to hire a replacement though, if I know I am leaving. I do not want to hire someone away from a job they have, to a company/division that will probably close its doors when I leave. That would not be fair to them. Meanwhile, if I do not hire more staff, I cannot get the work done. Very bad situation. I am one of the new members of OBCAC, as well as a friend of Doug Smith's. We just went out to dinner a couple of months ago when he was in the Detroit area. So I need not tell you, this has been a most difficult time for me. I also have been the caretaker of the family cat for the last couple of years. She got very ill a couple of weeks ago. We almost put her to sleep. A PCL collection worth of vet bills later and I still do not know if she will be OK or not. (I was going to buy a collection of PCL cards, until I found out that I would not be getting any bonus for 2004. The Vet bill was almost exactly the cost of the PCL collection I turned down.) Still quite ill. Her equilibrium or strength is way off, so she is constantly falling over after a few steps. She has fallen off the couch a couple of times, on the rare occassin she is able to climb up there. Not to mention having trouble holding down food and missing her litter box on multiple occassions (which is now in the kitchen so she does not have to walk downstairs). So cleaning up after the cat is turning into a daily On what some would coonsider to be an ironic note, I am in a small real estate LLC. We bought some property 2 years ago, and started developing the property. Last year we sold 2 of the 6 units, and used the proceeds to pay down most of our bank loan. We ended up a little short and actually had a small capital call this month (translation needed to invest more money). By tax laws, even though we did not receive any distributions of cash, we are still liable for taxes on our individual returns (I actually do understand how the IRS does not care that the sale proceeds all went to the bank). So I got hit with a significant taxable gain. The bright side is, I should not have nearly as big a gain in the future, and if we sell 2 more units this year, not only will the bank loan be completely paid off, I will get almost all of initial investment back. The last 2 units would be mainly profit, which will provide me with an income for 2006 if I do not find a new job after my trip. Opening day is Monday, so I am looking forward to something positive. Weather report calls for mid-50s and my seat is around row 20 behind the plate. GO TIGERS! Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 18:20:17 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: A very sad week. One of the sadder weeks of recent memory. My father's in the hospital, my mother throws her back out going to visit him. Both are starting to show their age...the Pope dies and ... Doug Smith. Not too mention it's gonna rain all weekend and I still have a 3 foot pile of snow at the end of my driveway. I've been mopping all day and think it's time I stopped and did something positive. So it's time to empty out the vaults. All are FCFS except although any items with a large amount of requests I will devise a fun contest to determine the winner (assuming there are more than one person who want T206 Donovan Portrait W514 #111 Jim Vaughn W516-1 #9 Grover Clevelan Alexander Boxing strip card of Sailor Burke 1933 Liberty Magazine including article "How Pennants are Really Won" by Joe McCarthy 52 Bowman # 118 and 135 51 Red Back #s 14 18 27 63 Fleer 14 27 30 36 39 67 Dexter Press Torre, Santo, Kaline, Brooks Robby 67 Topps Pinup 2 8 13 17 19 31 1968 Atlantic Oil - FRobby, Horlen, McDowell, Ward, Longborg, Cash, Campanaris, Tresh, Chance, Fregosi 1968-69 Topps Hockey #2 Bobby Orr (actually Steve R has first dibs on this as he gave it to me - but I already had one!) 69 #120 Rose 3/4 of a card cut around the body 71 Topps super #s 7, 27 72 #433 Bench Stack of 25 autographed 3x5's obtained in the summer of 76 or 77 some names include: Chet Lemon, John Grubb, Wayne Garland, Jeff Torberg, David Clyde ... Available as a single lot. 3x5 Autographed Card of Ted Williams. Obtained via the mail by a classmate in the mid 70's. Looks very similar to an auto I got in 1977 Yankees Scorecard w/ Billy Martin on cover Thanks Guys and Thanks OBC!!! ================= To: , "Bob Donaldson" Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 15:57:08 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A very sad week. Hey Bob, I expect a contest for this card so count me in ! W516-1 #9 Grover Cleveland Alexander... Now remember that during the contest rules, I will most likely be at a disadvantage unless you ask a good baseball question like "Name the town on theRogue River in Oregon near where HOFer Bobby Doerr has a fishing cabin" or"What HOF pitcher with a name like a US President lived in Elba, Nebraska?" Thanks Bob! OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Donaldson To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A very sad week. One of the sadder weeks of recent memory. My father's in the hospital, my mother throws her back out going to visit him. Both are starting to show their age...the Pope dies and ... Doug Smith. Not too mention it's gonna rain all weekend and I still have a 3 foot pile of snow at the end of my driveway. I've been mopping all day and think it's time I stopped and did something positive. So it's time to empty out the vaults. All are FCFS except although any items with a large amount of requests I will devise a fun contest to determine the winner (assuming there are more than one person who want T206 Donovan Portrait W514 #111 Jim Vaughn W516-1 #9 Grover Clevelan Alexander Boxing strip card of Sailor Burke 1933 Liberty Magazine including article "How Pennants are Really Won" by Joe McCarthy 52 Bowman # 118 and 135 51 Red Back #s 14 18 27 63 Fleer 14 27 30 36 39 67 Dexter Press Torre, Santo, Kaline, Brooks Robby 67 Topps Pinup 2 8 13 17 19 31 1968 Atlantic Oil - FRobby, Horlen, McDowell, Ward, Longborg, Cash, Campanaris, Tresh, Chance, Fregosi 1968-69 Topps Hockey #2 Bobby Orr (actually Steve R has first dibs on this as he gave it to me - but I already had one!) 69 #120 Rose 3/4 of a card cut around the body 71 Topps super #s 7, 27 72 #433 Bench Stack of 25 autographed 3x5's obtained in the summer of 76 or 77 some names include: Chet Lemon, John Grubb, Wayne Garland, Jeff Torberg, David Clyde ... Available as a single lot. 3x5 Autographed Card of Ted Williams. Obtained via the mail by a classmate in the mid 70's. Looks very similar to an auto I got in 1977 Yankees Scorecard w/ Billy Martin on cover Thanks Guys and Thanks OBC!!! Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 19:28:45 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: american tract society Anybody in OBC know where I might get a complete checklist for Tracards (American Tract Society)? I have most of the baseball players, a skier, a couple of football players--and am curious just how many different cards theremight Last card number in the Lemke book is 66 Al Worthington peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:23:04 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Doug Smith comedy from July 6th, 2001 on T-205 Backs (Yuk To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:22:31 EDT Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] T-205 Backs Well I thought I out to chime in on T-205 back. I know this will know the averages all off, but here's what I have: Soveriegn 1 Polar Bear 1 thats it. Cobb and Mathewson. - Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 22:59:15 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: POLL next / Fwd: Redpath comedy /Wagners...get your Honus Wagners! To: , "Neal Thomas" From: "Rick Redpath" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:38:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Wagners...get your Honus Wagers! From: "Neal Thomas" To: Subject: Re: Wagners...get your Honus Wagers! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2005 23:25:38 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Ebay assistance needed. I could use some help in dealing with a shill bidder on ebay. (FYI: A shill bidder is someone who uses a second ebay id to push up the price of his I just won two aluminum baseball bats for my kids (two seperate auctions) for $33.00 + $20.00 shipping from BatsExpress in Joliet, IL. On one of the auctions I had the high bid of $5 (max was $14.37) until ebay id=jackjohnson23 put in 9 bids to up the price to my max. Their last bid was $14.00 and then they stopped. Why? Because when they bid $14.00 they then knew my max was $14.37 and there was no need for them to bid again. In checking the user id history of jackjohnson23 I noticed a previous id of christinapierson which happens to be the same last name of the seller. Looking up jackjohnson23's bidding history will show 82 bids placed on items from BatsExpress. What should I do? Call the seller's phone number and ask for Christina and see what happens. Email the seller and tell him to knock $10 of the price and I won't report him to eBay. Send him the $53.00 and report him to ebay anyway once I receive the Thanks for any advice. -Bob R p.s. Is there a way to find an ebay users address? ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:01:02 -0500 To: boreed@hotmail.com (Bob Reed) From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Ebay assistance needed. When they send you the bill you'll have their address, right? The other bidder's addy is possible also. I'll look into it based on what you sent. If you have any other info fwd it to me. It could be totally legit & he just ddn't want to bid $14.87 (after seeing your $14.37). Maybe he owns a sporting goods store & decided he isn't letting any bat go for under $14 bid, so that explains the previous bids. But yes it could be his next door neighbor. I'll check it out ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 01:52:08 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 of 6272 It is MUCH better than I remembered! Check it out below, if the link works. If not check #406 in the archives. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 03 Apr 2005 08:23:50 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 06:52:10 +0000 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 of 6272 It is MUCH better than I remembered! Check it out below, if the link works. If not check #406 in the archives. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 07:13:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 3rd entry is by Bob Farrell's GROUSERS comedy in Message #4795 :-) ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 07:27:50 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Pittsburgh Card Show Is anyone planning on attending the card show in Pittsburgh on April 15,16 &17? If so, would anyone like to take in a Pirate baseball game that evening? LMK and I'll reserve some tickets. The card show is at Robert Morris University and will have 250 tables and many current and former athletes signing autographs. Hope to see some of you there. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 11:42:50 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: UV Stuff Sorry for this request but have been out of the loop for awhile. Who is taking care of the server for UV Stuff? And what is the email address? I have picked up lots of 80's stuff looking for homes. I need wantlists. Now back to your regularly scheduled program... Thanks, Kent ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 14:01:55 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: web page help kent goto has told me that when he clicks on my wantlist link from the obc directory, that the body of the page does not show up. if yu get a chance, could you please try it and see if it works. only if it doesn't, please email me and let me know. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 20:25:52 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Flashback Gents -- Each year around tax time I clean out the old stuff by chucking any tax returns and cancelled checks that are over seven years old. It's always fun to see what you wrote checks for to reminisce about old times, especially for military folks like me who barely remember what state they were living in that long ago. My wife and I were just laughing over Franco's Pizza in Delaware, when I came across a bunch of Solomon Cramer checks. What ever happened to that guy? He was like the king of pre-Ebay OBC sales. He always had good stuff that went for reasonable prices in an auction list that stretched for miles! I wonder if he sells on Ebay now - he was a class act if I remember right...ahh, when life was simple... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Mon, 04 Apr 2005 00:57:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken Morganti" Subject: Re: Ebay assistance needed. batsexpress (and jackjohnson23) has been reported to eBay. Don't ask me how I know this My advice is to pay the money you owe him, since technically you would've paid that amount for the bats anyway. Try to do it quickly though, because you never know when someone's eBay account might get suspended and you won't be able to leave feedback :-) Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Reed" wrote: > What should I do? > Call the seller's phone number and ask for Christina and see what happens. > Email the seller and tell him to knock $10 of the price and I won't report > him to eBay. > Send him the $53.00 and report him to ebay anyway once I receive the > product. > Thanks for any advice. > -Bob R > p.s. Is there a way to find an ebay users address? ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 19:01:54 -0700 (PDT) To: "geno.wagner" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flashback I have no new info on Solomon, but a story to share. I used to buy from him and was generally pleased. My last purchase was for some 61 topps. I bought all the yankees in the set for 300 bucks. When I got them I discovered that the backs all had paper loss from being glued and removed from something. He agreed to refund my money. I sent back the cards and upon receipt he debited my bank account another 300 ! So here I am with no cards, out 600 bucks, and a stranger with unrestricted access to my bank account. Yes, at that moment I was probably the dumbest guy on the planet. Fortunately for me Solomon turned out to be a standup guy and after a few email reminders and some anxiety I finally got the money back. After that I changed my bank account number and have never given my debit card number to anyone again. A lesson learned. "geno.wagner" wrote: Gents -- Each year around tax time I clean out the old stuff by chucking any tax returns and cancelled checks that are over seven years old. It's always fun to see what you wrote checks for to reminisce about old times, especially for military folks like me who barely remember what state they were living in that long ago. My wife and I were just laughing over Franco's Pizza in Delaware, when I came across a bunch of Solomon Cramer checks. What ever happened to that guy? He was like the king of pre-Ebay OBC sales. He always had good stuff that went for reasonable prices in an auction list that stretched for miles! I wonder if he sells on Ebay now - he was a class act if I remember right...ahh, when life was simple... Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals ================= Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 23:48:14 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: entry #4=Steve's Top 10 list from 1-27-05 : Message #10686 ================= Date: 4 Apr 2005 04:09:52 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Which message do you think was the funniest? Email addys are kept private for this poll. Poll ends 4-8-05. o 1-30-01=S&H "grousers" by Bob Farrell/message #4795 (in old group) o 4-19-01=NASA Grading Company by Rick Redpath (message in old group) o 7-24-01=FERNANDO by Rick Redpath/message #406 (current group archives) o 1-27-05=Steve's Top 10 Signs of Armageddon by Rittenberg/message #10686 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12006281 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: 4 Apr 2005 04:24:04 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Who do you think will win the NL Championship in 2005? Email addys will show. Poll closes 4-8-05. o St.Louis Cardinals o Chicago Cubs o NY Mets o Washington Nationals o Milwaukee Brewers o Philadelphia Phillies o Atlanta Braves o Florida Marlins o Colorado Rockies o SF Giants o Pittsburgh Pirates o Houston Astros o LA Dodgers o Arizona Diamondbacks To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12006288 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! 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Groups web site listed above. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2005 22:24:35 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: here's one for you glove collectors - absolutely amazing http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category53&item5181137882&rd1&ssPageNameWDVW ================= Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 02:28:48 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Subject: Hank Aaron memorabilia Would anyone know if the Hank Aaron 715th home run, commemorative tie that my uncle found is worth anything? ================= Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:09:16 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: eBay Member Profile for jackjohnson23 ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:53:37 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Happy New Year! It's a common myth that New Year's Day on January first. As most of you know, it is actually whatever the MLB opening day is. It ought to be a national I celebrated by watching the Mariners clobber the Minnesota Twins. Jamie Moyer mowed 'em down with his overpowering 78 MPH fastball and his 14 MPH changeup. The M's won it 5-1 giving up no earned runs, Richie Sexson hittingtwo homers, and Ichiro starting off with another (yawn) multi-hit game (2/4). Happy New Year Everyone! -Dave Fallen ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:05:29 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: 1971 Orioles Postcards Gents -- Does anyone have a scan or a link to show me what a 1971 team issued postcard for the Baltimore Orioles looks like? I'm putting together my 1971 Pirates/Orioles type set and there is no checklist or picture in the Big ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 09:28:11 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay Member Profile for jackjohnson23 Yes, jackjohnson23 and batsexpress have both been suspended by ebay. I went ahead and paid full price for the bats so hopefully I'll receive them. I also noticed that batsexpress has re-surfaced as batsrus73. I think I'll alert ebay once I receive the product. Thanks for all who offered suggestions. >From: keithsummers@webtv.net >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay Member Profile for jackjohnson23 >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 20:09:16 -0400 >No longer a registered user? Looks like KMs email worked :-) >http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=jackjohnson23&item=-1&frompage=222 ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 12:22:21 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: Jody Davis signing in the Chicago area. For those of you that are Cub fans in the Chicagland area, former Cub Jody Davis will be Signing Autographs on Sat. May 14th at Steven's Collectibles in Countryside, IL. There will be free cards to get signed. For details on this signing and appearances all accross the Chicago area, log on to www.csac.biz -Dan Coen ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:35:42 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: A letter from Doug Fellas -- I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it with you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is fine. If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in a way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: 1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed up at his door. 2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do anything with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm embarrassed and remorseful." 3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, NY Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been in front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since this all came to a head." 4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." 5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet, so I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back some day if you'll have me." I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with a neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the random OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about twenty times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but it's been hard... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 15:59:27 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Geno -- Thank you for passing this along. Doug specifically mentions his resignation from OBCAC, but not from OBC itself. I realize that the OBCAC has put him on inactive status, but I think it is time for a decision to be made about removing Doug from the group altogether for some period of time. This may be until he is ready to come back in and participate, at which point another decisions will need to be made regarding his reinstatement, or it may be permanent. I don't think any other "evidence" is going to come to light, so it is now up to OBCAC. You saw the wide range of opinions among members, and now it is time to act. I don't envy you! ================= To: "'Fr. Patrick Wattigny'" , Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 13:40:00 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Agreed Padre=85.inactive is very appropriate right now. We are not a judge and/or jury. I spent almost 30 years in law enforcement and never saw one of my =93clients=94 accept responsibility for their actions as Doug has done. I think this speaks volumes about the man. I say let it be, for -----Original Message----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny [mailto:seventytwop@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:31 PM To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Geno and gang, I read Gary's note, as well as what you've sent us from Doug. I don't want to be the first to spark the discussion, but I would say that keeping Doug on inactive status would certainly be appropriate enough for now. If the great majority of the group favors outright removal, I won't fight it, nor will I resign from the group, but I don't think I favor permanent outright removal. Just my thoughts on it. Let the discussion begin! Peace to all, Padre Pat >From: "geno.wagner" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:35:42 +0100 >Fellas -- >I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it >you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the >highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is >If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible >action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. >Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in >way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: >1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He >has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed >at his door. >2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do >with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm >embarrassed and remorseful." >3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, >Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been >front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since >all came to a head." >4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." >5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet, so >I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back >day if you'll have me." >I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with >neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a >responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the >OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about >times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but >been hard... >Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/"http://groups.yahoo.com/gr * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 4/5/2005 ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:47:08 EDT To: hoot-owl@comcast.net, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Peter -- I doubt there was a motion from the general membership to make Doug inactive, I assume OBCAC did that themselves. I also assume that they can make their own motion to remove Doug and vote on that and not need to have it come from the general membership. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:58:22 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I support the OBCAC no matter what the decision is. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:38:47 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I think Geno was pretty clear in an earlier email how motions are handled by the OBCAC-- "The way I facilitate the group is to start taking motions on the 10th of each month, with a ballot formed by the 20th, and voting after that. We have decided to stick with that schedule for any motions relating to this event" I am guessing most of us are fine with that timetable. And if you (the rest of the membership) haven't let the OBCAC know how you feel on this matter--send them an email now. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Geno -- Thank you for passing this along. Doug specifically mentions his resignation from OBCAC, but not from OBC itself. I realize that the OBCAC has put him on inactive status, but I think it is time for a decision to be made about removing Doug from the group altogether for some period of time. This may be until he is ready to come back in and participate, at which point another decisions will need to be made regarding his reinstatement, or it may be permanent. I don't think any other "evidence" is going to come to light, so it is now up to OBCAC. You saw the wide range of opinions among members, and now it is time to act. I don't envy you! Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:07:06 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I need someone to clarify what will be accomplished by removing Doug from OBC. Is this our punishment of him? Is there now a character clause in the OBC by-laws? Doug and I (and others) worked on the by-laws last year. Idon't remember putting anything in there regarding character. Some people wrote in and talked about a fear of "guilt by association". Isthat the primary motive here? I have my own skeletons in my closet. None are criminal acts but perhaps all of us with some sort of "dark side" ought to leave now so that we don't tarnish OBC. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Geno -- Thank you for passing this along. Doug specifically mentions his resignation from OBCAC, but not from OBC itself. I realize that the OBCAC has put him on inactive status, but I think it is time for a decision to be made about removing Doug from the group altogether for some period of time. This may be until he is ready to come back in and participate, at which point another decisions will need to be made regarding his reinstatement, or it may be permanent. I don't think any other "evidence" is going to come to light, so it is now up to OBCAC. You saw the wide range of opinions among members, and now it is time to act. I don't envy you! Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:24:39 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug In a message dated 4/5/05 4:17:53 PM Central Daylight Time, srittenberg66@earthlink.net writes: I need someone to clarify what will be accomplished by removing Doug from OBC. Is this our punishment of him? Is there now a character clause in the OBC by-laws? Doug and I (and others) worked on the by-laws last year. I don't remember putting anything in there regarding character. Some people wrote in and talked about a fear of "guilt by association". Is that the primary motive here? I have my own skeletons in my closet. None are criminal acts but perhaps all of us with some sort of "dark side" ought to leave now so that we don't tarnish OBC. Steve: I just want to be perfectly clear here. I have not opined on the question of removing Doug from OBC. What I am suggesting that the OBCAC needs to vote on whether to remove Doug, leave him on inactive status, or put him back on active status. I dont believe any more facts will come up that will effect the decision. As far as membership requirements and someone's character, I think that is another discussion. ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 14:36:00 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug My $0.02, I would prefer to see Doug remain on "inactive" status. I'm disgusted by the very idea of child pornography, and dismayed that a man that I've known and respected many years, and have had the pleasure of meeting, would be caught up in it. But as a man who has been forgiven much, I can then forgive, and I feel that Doug is repentant, and needs my (our) forgiveness. I have been praying for Doug and Judy, and will continue to do so. ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Fellas -- I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it with you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is fine. If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in a way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: 1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed up at his door. 2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do anything with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm embarrassed and remorseful." 3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, NY Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been in front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since this all came to a head." 4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." 5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet,so I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back some day if you'll have me." I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with a neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the random OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about twenty times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but it's been hard... Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:38:42 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug As a former member of the OBCAC (and a year or two as facilitator) I appreciate the time and energy that Doug devoted in his time as a AC member and as treasurer. I also have come to know Doug and his wife Judy from their visits to Vegas the past few years. I will support the decision made by the AC but would like to express my opinion to the AC as well as the general membership. Like everyone, I am shocked by what happened and in no way endorse Doug's actions. I am also impressed with Doug's handling of the situation and his admitting to the crime and his willingness to face the consequences of his actions. Doug is a standup guy and it is a shame that his accomplishments at a job that I know he loved and was dedicated to will be forever tarnish. Geno has handled the situation admirably and always reminds us that we are the OBC family. In my family we have experienced a number of situations that could have lead us to give up on our family members. Despite the heartbreak and stress that theses situations caused, we, as a family, have worked through the situations and have become a stronger family because of it. I hope that the AC will make a decision keeping the family in mind. I personally do not see a reason to move Doug to the inactive list unless it is by his request. I haven't look up the statistics but I'm sure that a certain percentage of the general population are sex offenders, a certain percentage have committed felonies, a certain percentage cheat on their wife, and so on. With our membership of 150 or so, it would only stand to (statistical) reason that there are those in our membership who have similar faults or character flaws. Our group has always been there for our members and members' families in need, and I would hope that we could view Doug's situation as one who is in need. I was always told that "we need our friends the most when we deserve them the least". I would hope that the AC and the general membership can stand in support of our family member. 47 days 'til V05 Rest well, ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 18:51:37 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I want to write this note very carefully. My sense is that the air is charged all around our little group right now. Emotions are high and sensitivities are rubbed raw by the news we have been presented with over the last week. I had a conversation with one of you that really brought that to my attention, not that it came as a great surprise after the news we received. I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or challenge anyone's values. This hurt is too personal and too individual. I respect the opinions of all. Having said that, I have to agree with Father Pat and a good number of others. I am not a judge, jury, nor anyone else who feels comfortable, competent or knowledgeable enough to pass judgement. I cannot be in another man's skin and know what drives him. Like many of you, I am one of those who believes that the "judge not lest . . ." admonition makes a tremendous amount of sense in a world of imperfection. My congratulations to Geno and the OBCAC for their responsible, measured and fair response to all of this. Like someone else said, I do not intend to resign over any decision made by the committee or the group as a whole; but once again I feel humbled by life and I find myself thinking of the virtue of charity. I am also praying for Doug, his family, and anyone else who is touched by this problem. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:07:33 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug This whole thing has been quite stressful for all concerned. Since Doug won't be spending much time on the internet for awhile I would think placing him on the inactive list would be the logical thing to do for now. I will support whatever decision that the OBCAC decides for now and in the future. Personally, I'd like to see Doug returned to active status as soon as In a message dated 4/5/05 3:46:56 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: Fellas -- I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it with you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is fine. If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in a way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: 1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed up at his door. 2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do anything with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm embarrassed and remorseful." 3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, NY Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been in front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since this all came to a head." 4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." 5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet, so I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back some day if you'll have me." I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with a neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the random OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about twenty times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but it's been hard... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 19:51:31 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Doug Smith's wantlist Doug's list is rather short, he needs: Some will be Gem Mints others will have the torn edges and soft corners from being glued to our emotions. But I know we all have them, and if the truth be known, we got them from someone else when we needed them as badly as Doug does now. Rest well, ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:07:37 EDT To: Topgolf@aol.com, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I stand my earlier statement last week i will continue to be there for support. Like Steve I have my own fault to pile on someone else and like father pat i hope that action taken by ac is sufficient but if they decide to go in other direction I wont leave group ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:01:26 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: A Conversation w/Doug Hello All, I picked up the phone today and placed a call to Doug Smith. After all the rhetoric and discussion on this forum and much soul searching I felt the need to personally offer my support to Doug and Judy in a personal way. Doug asked me to express his sentiments, he said "Tell the guys I miss them". He told me that he and Judy had been out of town and had just arrived home today and he was overwhelmed by the many cards and letter from across the country expressing support for he, his wife and family. And yes, some within our ranks sent their messages as well. As my friend John McLaughlin from Ohio correctly points out Doug will not be allowed access to the Internet for some time to come. Therefore, in my opinion, his OBC status is immaterial. He can no longer use this medium, can't keep an online wantlist, has basically been cut off from us as part of the consequence for his actions. He can no longer be active with us online - isn't that enough? Doug can not even thank you himself, he must do that through others like Geno who shared his letter and this communication. Steve asks "What will be accomplished by removing Doug from OBC?" I guess I would like to know that as well. I can not imagine this group "turning its back" on a member who obviously needs the support of friends. I will say this, after my conversation with my friend Doug I knew I had done the right thing by letting him know that he could still count on me as a friend. His wife and family are supporting him, he is seeking counseling, he has accepted responsibility and has cooperated fully with the authorities, even so he will undoubtedly be incarcerated and may even be fined severely. He's got enough on his plate - we don't need to add more to it. Here's what I will do - I will pray for him, I will support him and I will stay in contact with him - as friends do. The OBCAC timetable of action is fine with me and I trust that their decision will be as well. I'm going to pray for you guys as well!!! Someone else uses this phrase and it seems appropriate - 'nuff said!!! BTW - WWJD BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- Fellas -- I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it with you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is fine. If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in a way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: 1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed up at his door. 2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do anything with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm embarrassed and remorseful." 3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, NY Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been in front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since this all came to a head." 4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." 5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet, so I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back some day if you'll have me." I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with a neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the random OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about twenty times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but it's been hard... Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 22:50:14 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: My 2 cents about Doug Everything I've wanted to say about Doug's situation has been eloquently stated by many of the people who have posted on the subject; the heartfelt letters by Father Pat, and the fine posting by Steve Rittenberg come to mind. I too am shocked & dismayed at Doug's plight. I've only met the man once, at the National this past summer, so I am by no means an expert on his character, but in our brief time together he struck me as a fine man - a fine human being, despite his legal trouble. As we are all too aware by now, he made a mistake - a major one, but a mistake none the less. Having made that mistake, he has accepted responsibility for his actions & is willing to pay for his mistake, which I feel is an admirable thing to do; so many people who break the law try to avoid accepting responsibility, but not Trader Doug. As many have pointed out, we here in OBC are a family. One of our family members has erred; do we turn our backs? My opinion is no. I hope & pray that Doug & his family can survive this situation as best as they can. As extended family members (and friends), we should not dismiss the possibility of re-embracing Doug into our family some day. My point? I feel that Doug's inactive status is the most appropriate course of action to take. If Doug so desires, when he has completed his sentence he should be free to apply for active status. Since there is no morals clause in the OBC bylaws & rules, I believe it would be wrong for us to expel Doug for a matter that is unrelated to card collecting. For those worried about "guilt by association", I would submit that, a) from what I've read, Doug's membership in OBC is unknown to the general public, and b) if anyone is still trying to dig up dirt, "Doug Smith" is a common enough name to keep any suspicion away from OBC. Since the OBC home address list is private, I see no need to take further punitive action within the group against Doug. Should the OBAC disagree, I, like others, won't walk away from the group. I would respectfully disagree with any such decision, but I'll abide by whatever decision our advisory council implements. My 2 cents (actually more like a nickel, what with inflation & the length of this Ramble.) Peace to All, Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 23:08:19 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Trader reference - Mike Taylor? I received an email from non-OBC'er Mike Taylor (METaylor2001@hotmail.com) proposing a trade; he mentioned he'd traded with someone in the group. Could anyone who's traded with Mike let me know how it went? Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 00:58:27 -0400 From: "Rick Svetecz" Subject: CoolPix 4-6-05 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Deb & Rick in "JOHNNY" & "CALLISON" jerseys THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 02:18:51 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug I think that the sentiments sent by many of the guys is right on the money. Look, Doug screwed up, he knows it and is doing the right thing by acknowledging what happened and cooperating in the case. He's showing a lot more character than the baseball players like Bonds and Sheffield are showing. Basically, he's been "suspended" by the OBCAC by being placed inactive. I believe that for the purposes of this group, the action in appropriate. Kicking him out? Naw, no way. His resume in life has been above reproach up to this point. As his lawyer said, I would hope that this incident doesn't take away from what he has accomplished in his life (words to that effect). Doug is not the "problem child" or a "black sheep" of the family. He continues to have my respect for all he has done for this group. He's been an exemplary member of the OBCAC and our treasurer for years. I've had the pleasure of meeting Doug on a few occasions, and would not have a problem with opening my home to him. With that being said, I would motion the OBCAC to maintain his inactive status until such time that he would be allowed to ask for reinstatement to active status. He will pay his debt to society. After that he will probably continue to pay a price that I can't begin to imagine. I will see Doug at some future National, extend my hand and say, "welcome back my friend". No one condones what he did, but I think that having support for his family and from his OBC family will be of enormous comfort for the rough road he has yet to tow. Like I said earlier, I'm going to find a card from his list and send it to him, a la "the healing power of cardboard". Just my thoughts on this... And no, I'm not going anywhere, not now, not ever (you guys are stuck with me!)... ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug Date: 4/5/2005 3:47:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Fellas -- I received a letter from Doug today, so I thought I'd share a bit of it with you. I'm not going to retype the whole thing, but will give you the highlights. This will probably spark renewed conversation, which is fine. If you have anything you want passed along to the AC for any possible action, feel free to do it through me and I'll pass it along. Doug did not say anything about passing the info along, so I thought in a way it was meant to be shared. In essence, here is what he says: 1) First he says that by now, we all know his predicament and his plea. He has been cooperating with investigators since February when they showed up at his door. 2) "I did not buy or sell pornography, take any pictures, or do anything with children. I did receive pictures by email and sent some on. I'm embarrassed and remorseful." 3) He has been getting crushed by media - Oprah, Good Morning America, NY Times, and People Magazine have all called. He says the media has been in front of his house the last two days, but he "feels much better since this all came to a head." 4) "I was never this important when I was doing good things." 5) "I miss OBC, but it will be awhile before I get back on the internet, so I need to resign from the OBCAC....I miss you all and hope to come back some day if you'll have me." I have tried my best to write these emails over the past few days with a neutral bias. Part of the reason is because I feel that I have a responsibility to write as the spokesman of the AC, not as Geno, the random OBC dude. The other reason is because my opinion has changed about twenty times in the last few days. I hope I've been successful in this, but it's been hard... Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xn06.mx.aol.com (rly-xn06.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.140]) by air-xn04.mail.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXN42-7564252eb25232; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:47:14 -0500 Received: from n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n11a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.16]) by rly-xn06.mx.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXN64-7564252eb25232; Tue, 05 Apr 2005 15:46:45 -0400 Received: from [66.218.69.5] by n11.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 19:35:50 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.27] by mailer5.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Apr 2005 19:35:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 48765 invoked from network); 5 Apr 2005 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Apr 2005 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) (212.250.162.18) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Apr 2005 19:35:49 -0000 Received: from aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id < for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:35:46 +0100 Received: from GENO ([82.11.221.182]) by aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with SMTP id <20050405193543.NSZJ10174.aamta07-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@GENO> for ; Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c53a16$a916c360$b6dd0b52@GENO> To: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 212.250.162.18 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "geno.wagner" X-Yahoo-Profile: illini_grad_90 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2005 20:35:42 +0100 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.16 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:0:0: X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 ================= Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 07:54:08 -0400 To: debrick@onemain.com (Rick Svetecz) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 4-6-05 Thanks for the pic. Very timely! As is frequently quoted "a picture is worth a thousand words". Well said my friend. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 10:32:14 -0400 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A letter from Doug OBC Family Members, I first wish to thank Doug for his letter and Geno for passing it on. I've already expressed my thoughts and feelings on Doug's and OUR situation. After reading the response to Doug's letter I felt compelled to weigh in on the issue of how the OBCAC will respond. As many have already indicated, I too will accept whatever the OBCAC decides and I appreciate that we have a voice, rather public or private, in this matter. With few exceptions, the public response via Ramblings have deepened my appreciation for this group. I am and will continue to take pride in being a member of OBC regardless of what is decided. As I was checking out Doug's wantlist this morning, I got to thinking (unchartered territory here) what does "Inactive Status" mean? In checking the members list I noted that some inactive members still have their wantlists available and some do not. It seems that the level of inactivity is based upon the preference of the individual. That led me to another question. Is "Inactive" simply a voluntary status on the part of the member? Which begs yet another question: in the history of OBC has anyone been inactivated or for that matter expelled by the OBCAC? If not, this will be a precedent setting situation. Once this door is opened there is no turning back. As a family we will be defined by the decision of the OBCAC. If we are truly a family, it is my opinion that each of us should be allowed to determine our relationship with another family member. If someone decides to "disown" a family member they can cross his/her name off their copy of the member list. If they decide not to trade with or send cards to a member that is their prerogative. They do not however, have the right to decide for the rest of us. I said all that to say this. It is my humble opinion that sometimes the appropriate thing for a governing body to do is nothing. I wish to use my voice to say that I believe that this is one of those times! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "OBC RAMBLINGS" Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 18:50:05 -0500 From: "Suzanne Freegard Schoenrock" Subject: a point of view from the gentle side I have been overwhelmed with trying to keep up with all the emails concerning Doug. I have not personally met him, but have been in email contact with him on many occasions. Like many of you, I do not agree with the choiceshe has made but am again impressed with his handling of the situation. The first time I chatted with him I counted him friend and thought him a man of great character. My feelings on his situation have flipped flopped several times. My oldest son has autism and at times has made some pretty bonehead decisions lately and it was when I was addressing one of these choicesthat he asked me if this one choice he made will shape the man he will become. And I thought long and hard about my answer but first I asked him if he thought it would...and he said that he thought it would take more than this one choice to shape his character that maybe perhaps this was just a step backwards to turn him in another direction of his development. I could not have answered him any better and told him that perhaps he was right. It made me think of Doug...I believed him to be a man of character before thishappened. He made a mistake and took responsibility for his choice something that will probably follow him for the rest of his life. Not only will he pay for his mistake, his family will as well. Though I disagree with what he did, I am once again reminded of his character by his taking responsibility for is actions...and because of this, I will continue to call him friend and support him and his family through out his ordeal. This was a turning point for him, a step backwards to steer him in another direction...one of healing, one of forgiveness... Maybe these are just mushy girlie sentiments, but as some of you know, I occasionally share my .02 cents worth...with or with out being asked. ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2005 21:42:05 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1974-75 basketball help Hello All, I just picked up a lot of these leaving me with just 4 each to complete. I do have abit to trade with in baseball, fb, & basketball. Any heroes? 1974-75 basketball vg or better (4 more to go) #171( chet walker) 199 (glen combs) Anthony Arbeeny http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html ================= Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 02:14:44 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: STL vs NYY? That's what OBC says so far. All 3 polls end Friday. Only 5 votes in the comedy poll, which I think (record may be 5) will break the record of 6, as the lowest # of OBC participants ever :-( ================= Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 06:20:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "xtrjmx" Subject: My Friend Doug... Hi all... Over the past week I've been stunned by the news that my friend Doug engaged in some behaviors that I wouldn't have expected. I've known him throughout my entire tenure (ten years?) in OBC, had him as a guest in my home (I still salivate remembering the awesome dinner he treated me to at Upstream Brewing Company and the first '55 Doubleheader I ever got...well, the only '55 Doubleheader I have!) He was a great golfing partner in the only Vegas Fest I've had the pleasure to attend. He was a terrific Secret Santa to me a few years back. But more than any of that, he's been a kind, concerned person who has always gone out of his way to help anyone in the group, myself included. In fact, despite his obvious crises, HE was the one who wrote to me several weeks ago (likely after the problem had started) just saying he was checking in to see how I was doing, that he hadn't heard from me in a while and wanted to make sure I was doing ok. When I responded back telling him that actually everything was going so well that I was finding it difficult to find time for cards, he responded with a warm note saying how happy he was for me that things were going well. All this while he was beginning to endure his own private hell. I don't know how Doug got involved in his addictions, though the news reported that he had received a photo by e-mail, declined when offered more, but then finally succumbed to temptation against his better judgement. I imagine he may have been more surprised than anyone when he began losing control. Having battled an addiction or two myself, it is excruciating, wanting to act one way and then falling, swearing you'll never do it again and then finding yourself right back in the middle of it. That's what addictions are... actions which you seemingly cannot control. I know we have more than a few other psychologists in the group, and I think most of them would agree with me that as addictions go, paedophilia has got to be one of the toughest to deal with. First, like all sex desire disorders,it is fueled by a quirk in a powerful physiological drive. Can any of us explain why we have certain preferences when it comes to sexuality? Aversions are easier to understand, but desires are damn near impossible. I have a brother-in-law who is gay. He's one of the nicest, most wonderful human beings I've ever know. Through him, I learned that it is a desire that goes far beyond the bedroom. It is a desire to hold hands with, be close to, love and cherish another man. He said it revolts him just as much to see heterosexual passion as it does most straight folks would be if they witnessed gays "in the act". When Doug became addicted, who could he have turned to for help with the addiction? Recovering alcoholics have AA. There are support groups for folks recovering from gambling addictions, drugs, and most all other types of disorders. Yes, there are support groups for people recovering from sexual addictions. The problem is that even within those groups, paedophilia is such an emotional issue and is so reviled that anyone who admits having a problem of that nature is shunned from the group. It's not until they are typically "busted", forcibly "outed" that folks with this type of addiction can find someone to help. I've read that there are two distinct types of individuals who are considered paedophiles. The first is men and women who love children intensely and, often to their own surprise, guilt, and remorse find them sexually arousing as well. The second type of paedophile is the one we more typically think of in society... the child predators who seek out children solely to indulge their own sexual pleasure, regardless of the cost to the children. These are the molestors, the ones who have no remorse and who are driven by aggression much in the same way rapists are driven by their issues with women. I find it terribly difficult to believe that Doug would fall into the second category. The internet has no international boundaries and there are, most unfortunately, countries who could care less about children. There are yet others who purport caring but who are corrupted by the big money of organized crime (and make no mistake, organized crime derives HUGE profits from illicit pornography). At any rate, it's out there and I honestly believe that without the ease and exposure to it on the 'net, Doug would have NEVER victimized a child. This is not to say that I condone Doug's behavior. I can't, as I know that the children who appear in the photos and videos are indeed victims and I care deeply about children. As many have admitted in this group, I, too, have a lot of baggage and am far from perfect. i'm sure that my actions, and far more often my LACK of actions, have harmed others. I wish I could go back and change the hurt I've caused. Doug does too. If I can help him heal in any way whatsoever, I will. If I can help the children who were victimized, I will. And to the extent that I am able, I will try to live my own life in a way that will celebrate strengths rather than condemn weaknesses, a way filled with love rather than hate, and in a way that values rather than condemns the lives of all others. I hope that Doug finds the help he needs and that he never forgets all the positive, wonderful things that he has done for others. I hope he conquers his demons and can someday be happy and at peace with himself again. And I hope that he knows that I will do anything in my power to help him with his struggle and will never turn him away. This has turned into a much longer ramble and has weaved in directions different than what I had believed when I started my posting. But as I said at the beginning, he means a lot to me and I've had over a week now to think about it and now needed somewhere to share my thoughts. Thanks to all of you for your patience, kindness, and generousity... always. Take care... Jim ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 09:11:25 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Fw: 1965 Presidents and Famous Americans I've figured out that between Howard Morgan and me, 6 or 7 cards are neededfrom the non-sport lot listed below. Is anyone interested in buying up the remainder? I have a couple of dupes that I could use to sweeten the deal. Please let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hamelberg To: 'Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)' Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 4:14 PM Subject: RE: 1965 Presidents and Famous Americans I have 16 singles. #'s 32,34,39,40, 41,35,19,19,20,25,29,17,27,8,11,12,17. You can have them all for $25, including shipping or I'll send you just what you need at $1.50 plus shipping of $3.00. Let me know and give me an address. From: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 9:31 AM To: Paul Hamelberg Subject: 1965 Presidents and Famous Americans My friend's updated list is below. Cards can be mailed to me. ----- Original Message ----- From: HMorgan707@aol.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: (no subject) Steve, I have updated my embossed Presidents' list: I need: 1965 Topps Presidents (Embossed) and Famous Men: # 5, 7, 8, 20, 24, 25, 28, 33, 35, 37, 39, 41 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:13:11 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Happy birthday! Happy birthday to Bobby Doerr and Tiki Barber. I heard on the radio that it is also Ronde's birthday but I have no verification. Today my Dad would turn 77. Wow. I can't believe its been over 7 years since he died. I think that also means I joined OBC 7 years ago. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:30:57 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: OBC 20 years from now This was originally a tangent in my "happy birthday e-mail" but I've split it off into its own separate topic. In another 20 years, I can sit on my porch in a rocking chair whittling a stick and say with a creaky voice "When I was your age, we used to carve our wantlists on rocks or tree bark. And then we'd take 3 buses to go across town to a place where they sold cards in person. Card shops I think they were called. Now everything is so easy for you younguns. You tell your fancy watch that you want a 1957 Topps set cheap and it goes out and searches for all the cards for you, bidding on some, buying others. The cards show up in a few weeks and you haven't even left the house. We used to mail cards to each other back then too. Now, its $3.00 for a first class stamp. You think I'm gonna send out a 1962 Woodie Don Schwall SCP for $3.00? Nope. I'm not so crazy about emailing a certificate of ownership to someone so they can print out the image but it sure beats the lines at the post office. And you know what? People used to pay a premium just because the card was in nice shape. Time travel blew that to bits! When Mr. Mint "discovered" a few more cases of '52 Topps we were all suspicious. I can't say I was unhappy when he was banished to live on an island with only 80s Donruss to keep him company. You run along now, sonny. OBC now has 4000 members so you better get started if you want to get something out to each person this year. Me? For 20 years I've been thinking about working on an Exhibit set but I think I'm nearly ready to make the commitment. Just as soon as I clean up the storage unit where I keep the cards to be put away, I'll start on it. I'm glad I rented the 2nd unit. Having my dupes in one storage unit and recent purchases in another one has made things much easier. It's funny. I've been in OBC over 25 years now and my list still isnt any shorter. (insert coughing noise) ================= Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 20:10:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken Morganti" Subject: You are officially invited to attend... ...the OBC National Convention Swap Session! Hey gang, After a vey pleasant phone conversation today with Nicole at the Double Tree O'Hare (which is the same place I'll be staying in Chicago), I'm pretty confident we can hold our swap there. It'll be in a section of the hotel restaurant (kinda like the one we had in AC), only there'll be a LOT more room - at least enough to fit six round tables... I think she quoted something like 1200 sq. ft. and enough room for 80 people, which is way more than we'll ever need. It's sectioned off towards the back or side of the restaurant, so there won't be people walking through that might get hit by flying cardboard. The best part is that since we won't be using an actual meeting room, the cost is FREE except for the pizza/soda we'll be ordering from the caterers on site. Cost of the pizzas range from about $15 for plain cheese to $18 for the combo. (I'm going to get the menu, so I'll have an exact idea of what's available and costs). I'll ask about other meals in case pizza isn't compatible with your stomach or diet (LMK). Here's the hotel info again that I have from their web page: When: Sat. July 30th at 7PM or after the show lets out Where: Chicago O'Hare Hotel Des Plaines 1450 East Touhy Avenue Des Plaines, IL 60018 (847) 296-8866 Bring: your dupes and your apetite Cost: TBD, but probably zero unless they charge for parking. I'll invite OBC friendly dealer Kevin Savage at the next Ft. Washington show and ask about his annual donation. Worst case scenario is less than $7-8/person. Now that the swap is just about a done deal, I can take that small burden off my mind and start getting psyched up about the show. If you've never been to a National or any OBC evant and were thinking about going - this is the one to go to. You can ask past attendees and they can probably confirm that it's always the best part of the trip - and you can usually get better deals at the OBC 'tables' than you'll ever find on the Convention floor... and there's a lot less walking around or haggling If you want to be added to the OBC National e-mail server, PLMK and I'll add you in. Hope to see a whole bunch of you there, Ken M - OBC event coordinator ...sometimes ================= To: "Ken Morganti" Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:22:42 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You are officially invited to attend... Awesome! I suggest you offer them a deposit and get something in writing so we don't get screwed like we did in Atlantic City. This is a load off my mind as well. Note to everyone else: Usually I try to bring all 12000 of my vintage dupes plus assorted other stuff. The swap is worth attending if only for its comedic value. Perhaps if I start TODAY, I'll be organized in time but I wouldn't bet on it. The National -- July 26 to 31. Maybe we should add that to the signature line for the OBC_National group. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Morganti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You are officially invited to attend... ...the OBC National Convention Swap Session! Hey gang, After a vey pleasant phone conversation today with Nicole at the Double O'Hare (which is the same place I'll be staying in Chicago), I'm pretty confident we can hold our swap there. It'll be in a section of the hotel restaurant (kinda like the one we had in AC), only there'll be a LOT more room - at least enough to fit round tables... I think she quoted something like 1200 sq. ft. and enough room for 80 people, which is way more than we'll ever need. It's sectioned off towards the back or side of the restaurant, so there won't be people walking through that might get hit by flying cardboard. The best part is that since we won't be using an actual room, the cost is FREE except for the pizza/soda we'll be ordering from the on site. Cost of the pizzas range from about $15 for plain cheese to $18 for combo. (I'm going to get the menu, so I'll have an exact idea of what's available and costs). I'll ask about other meals in case pizza isn't compatible with your stomach or diet (LMK). Here's the hotel info again that I have from their web page: When: Sat. July 30th at 7PM or after the show lets out Where: Chicago O'Hare Hotel Des Plaines 1450 East Touhy Avenue Des Plaines, IL 60018 (847) 296-8866 Bring: your dupes and your apetite Cost: TBD, but probably zero unless they charge for parking. I'll invite OBC dealer Kevin Savage at the next Ft. Washington show and ask about his annual donation. Worst case scenario is less than $7-8/person. Now that the swap is just about a done deal, I can take that small burden off my mind and start getting psyched up about the show. If you've never been to a National or any OBC evant and were thinking about going - this is the one to go to. You can ask past attendees and they can probably confirm that it's always the best part of the trip - and you can usually get better deals at the OBC 'tables' than you'll ever find on the Convention floor... and there's a lot less walking around or haggling If you want to be added to the OBC National e-mail server, PLMK and I'll you in. Hope to see a whole bunch of you there, Ken M - OBC event coordinator ...sometimes Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 16:44:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You are officially invited to attend... All I can say is I can't wait till the National makes it back to Anaheim. ---- "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" wrote: > Awesome! I suggest you offer them a deposit and get something in writing > so we don't get screwed like we did in Atlantic City. This is a load off my > mind as well. > Note to everyone else: Usually I try to bring all 12000 of my vintage dupes > plus assorted other stuff. The swap is worth attending if only for its > comedic value. Perhaps if I start TODAY, I'll be organized in time but I > wouldn't bet on it. > The National -- July 26 to 31. Maybe we should add that to the signature > line for the OBC_National group. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken Morganti > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 4:10 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You are officially invited to attend... > ...the OBC National Convention Swap Session! > Hey gang, > After a vey pleasant phone conversation today with Nicole at the Double > Tree > O'Hare (which is the same place I'll be staying in Chicago), I'm pretty > confident we > can hold our swap there. It'll be in a section of the hotel restaurant > (kinda like the > one we had in AC), only there'll be a LOT more room - at least enough to fit > six > round tables... I think she quoted something like 1200 sq. ft. and enough > room for 80 > people, which is way more than we'll ever need. It's sectioned off towards > the back > or side of the restaurant, so there won't be people walking through that > might get hit > by flying cardboard. The best part is that since we won't be using an actual > meeting > room, the cost is FREE except for the pizza/soda we'll be ordering from the > caterers > on site. Cost of the pizzas range from about $15 for plain cheese to $18 for > the > combo. (I'm going to get the menu, so I'll have an exact idea of what's > available and > costs). I'll ask about other meals in case pizza isn't compatible with your > stomach or > diet (LMK). Here's the hotel info again that I have from their web page: > When: Sat. July 30th at 7PM or after the show lets out > Where: Chicago O'Hare Hotel Des Plaines > 1450 East Touhy Avenue > Des Plaines, IL 60018 > (847) 296-8866 > Bring: your dupes and your apetite > Cost: TBD, but probably zero unless they charge for parking. I'll invite OBC > friendly > dealer Kevin Savage at the next Ft. Washington show and ask about his annual > donation. Worst case scenario is less than $7-8/person. > Now that the swap is just about a done deal, I can take that small burden > off my > mind and start getting psyched up about the show. If you've never been to a > National or any OBC evant and were thinking about going - this is the one to > go to. > You can ask past attendees and they can probably confirm that it's always > the best > part of the trip - and you can usually get better deals at the OBC 'tables' > than you'll > ever find on the Convention floor... and there's a lot less walking around > or haggling > If you want to be added to the OBC National e-mail server, PLMK and I'll > add > you in. Hope to see a whole bunch of you there, > Ken M - OBC event coordinator ...sometimes > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 21:21:20 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now You forgot to mention that Mike Rich now has over 2000 sets on his wantlist! ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now Date: 4/7/2005 2:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)) Reply-to: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings) This was originally a tangent in my "happy birthday e-mail" but I've split it off into its own separate topic. In another 20 years, I can sit on my porch in a rocking chair whittling a stick and say with a creaky voice "When I was your age, we used to carve our wantlists on rocks or tree bark. And then we'd take 3 buses to go across town to a place where they sold cards in person. Card shops I think they were called. Now everything is so easy for you younguns. You tell your fancy watch that you want a 1957 Topps set cheap and it goes out and searches for all the cards for you, bidding on some, buying others. The cards show up in a few weeks and you haven't even left the house. We used to mail cards to each other back then too. Now, its $3.00 for a first class stamp. You think I'm gonna send out a 1962 Woodie Don Schwall SCP for $3.00? Nope. I'm not so crazy about emailing a certificate of ownership to someone so they can print out the image but it sure beats the lines at the post office. And you know what? People used to pay a premium just because the card was in nice shape. Time travel blew that to bits! When Mr. Mint "discovered" a few more cases of '52 Topps we were all suspicious. I can't say I was unhappy when he was banished to live on an island with only 80s Donruss to keep him company. You run along now, sonny. OBC now has 4000 members so you better get started if you want to get something out to each person this year. Me? For 20 years I've been thinking about working on an Exhibit set but I think I'm nearly ready to make the commitment. Just as soon as I clean up the storage unit where I keep the cards to be put away, I'll start on it. I'm glad I rented the 2nd unit. Having my dupes in one storage unit and recent purchases in another one has made things much easier. It's funny. I've been in OBC over 25 years now and my list still isnt any shorter. (insert coughing noise) Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (rly-xj05.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.42]) by air-xj04.mail.aol.com (v104.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXJ42-52442557d24313; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:34:27 -0500 Received: from n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n19a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.48]) by rly-xj05.mx.aol.com (v105.26) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXJ56-52442557d24313; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:34:12 -0400 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n19.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:30:12 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.36] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Apr 2005 18:30:12 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: srittenberg66@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 19336 invoked from network); 7 Apr 2005 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Apr 2005 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net) (209.86.89.61) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Apr 2005 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from [138.88.76.203] (helo=STEVE) by smtpauth01.mail.atl.earthlink.net with asmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DJbla-0003Dj-2C for OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 07 Apr 2005 14:30:10 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=simple; s=test1; d=earthlink.net; Message-ID: <309301c53b9f$f53ece60$0902a8c0@dea.com> To: "Ramblings" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Originating-IP: 209.86.89.61 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" X-Yahoo-Profile: srittenberg MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com List-Id: Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 14:30:57 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now Reply-To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.48 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:0:0: X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 ================= Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 22:46:53 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now Or that my Phillies wantlist is down to 10 pages with a 12 font! In a message dated 4/7/2005 6:23:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: You forgot to mention that Mike Rich now has over 2000 sets on his wantlist! ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now Date: 4/7/2005 2:34:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)) Reply-to: _srittenberg66@earthlink.net_ (mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net) (Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings) This was originally a tangent in my "happy birthday e-mail" but I've split it off into its own separate topic. In another 20 years, I can sit on my porch in a rocking chair whittling a stick and say with a creaky voice "When I was your age, we used to carve our wantlists on rocks or tree bark. And then we'd take 3 buses to go across town to a place where they sold cards in person. Card shops I think they were called. Now everything is so easy for you younguns. You tell your fancy watch that you want a 1957 Topps set cheap and it goes out and searches for all the cards for you, bidding on some, buying others. The cards show up in a few weeks and you haven't even left the house. We used to mail cards to each other back then too. Now, its $3.00 for a first class stamp. You think I'm gonna send out a 1962 Woodie Don Schwall SCP for $3.00? Nope. I'm not so crazy about emailing a certificate of ownership to someone so they can print out the image but it sure beats the lines at the post office. And you know what? People used to pay a premium just because the card was in nice shape. Time travel blew that to bits! When Mr. Mint "discovered" a few more cases of '52 Topps we were all suspicious. I can't say I was unhappy when he was banished to live on an island with only 80s Donruss to keep him company. You run along now, sonny. OBC now has 4000 members so you better get started if you want to get something out to each person this year. Me? For 20 years I've been thinking about working on an Exhibit set but I think I'm nearly ready to make the commitment. Just as soon as I clean up the storage unit where I keep the cards to be put away, I'll start on it. I'm glad I rented the 2nd unit. Having my dupes in one storage unit and recent purchases in another one has made things much easier. It's funny. I've been in OBC over 25 years now and my list still isnt any shorter. (insert coughing noise) Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:10:27 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Has anyone dealt with Burbank Sportscards? I found a couple of cards I needed from their Beckett.com store. Unfortunately, scans aren't available. I asked them if they grade conservatively and if the prices were flexible. I didnt like the answers I got back. I'm wondering if anyone else has dealt with them and had a good experience. I've heard that West Coast dealers have an attitude. Have I run into a poor example from a generally good dealer or a typical example of a typical dealer? ================= Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 08:17:58 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now V25 will be held May 21 -23. Please let me know ASAP if you will be ================= Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 08:39:14 -0400 To: JCERU8600@aol.com, Topgolf@aol.com, CardClctor@aol.com, Dkolenda1@aol.com, From: jceru8600@aol.com Subject: V05..Baseball game tickets Hello VO5ers, Last Call!!! for tickets to the baseball game on Saturday May 21. I have the following requests (double check): Todd - 1 Josh - 1 Geordie - 1 Morganti - 1 Trips - 6 Hair - 2 Peter - 2 Brian - 1 take care, Joe -----Original Message----- From: JCERU8600 To: Topgolf; CardClctor; Dkolenda1; dodgergeo@elite.net; GHAY1; Glk; tknowles@sofast.net; TPLY; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: obcvegas@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 13:02:47 -0500 Subject: Re: V05..the Vegas bLAST reservations Hello Vegas 05 attendees and significant others, I need a final roll call for the Baseball game attendees. Please let me know how many tickets you need. Thanks, Vegas 05 TicketMaster -----Original Message----- From: Topgolf To: CardClctor; Dkolenda1; dodgergeo@elite.net; GHAY1; Glk; JCERU8600; tknowles@sofast.net; TPLY; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:49:57 PM Eastern Standard Time Subject: V05..the Vegas bLAST reservations V05, the Vegas bLAST will be held May 20 -22 2005. So, is you is or is you aint coming? If you is coming, please send me an email saying you is. If you aint, you aint gotta send an email saying you aint, I'll know you aint if you don't say you is. If you might be coming but don't know yet, just send me an email saying you aint saying you are but you aint saying you aint. Rest well, ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 07:53:11 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now I can't wait to hear the excuses at V25..... ================= Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 10:11:01 EDT To: tknowles@sofast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now In a message dated 4/8/05 9:05:15 AM Central Daylight Time, tknowles@sofast.net writes: I can't wait to hear the excuses at V25..... I cant get my putter out of the bag ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 15:45:53 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: 50 non-sports availables I checked the non-sports wantlists for as many of you as I could find and didn't see any potential homes for these cards. All are Tiptons and available to whoever can use them. Topps Wings 111, 127, 162, 178 Topps World on Wheels 110, 111, 113, 114, 120, 126, 135, 136, 137 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 19:20:34 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: GREAT promotion on Naxcom that ends Friday night Thanks (??) to Dan Coen, I stumbled on the naxcom website. And I further stumbled on a promotion some guy has. Ending today, he is offering FREE shipping. He's also offering a 50% cash rebate if you send $20 or more. I looked at the vintage cards. You could get a 1954 Ted Williams for $80 and a check back for $40. Wow. The card is poor but its still a great deal. I will prolly grab it for my DS box unless someone else does. There's other good stuff too. I think I can get a cheap 1955 Gil Hodges for Peter Mead (for about $5 after rebate). Plus the seller has a big pile of 53s & 54s that are listed at $1 or $2 each, so if you get enough, you can get 53s at a buck! Wow. I better give you the link before I forget.... http://www.naxcom.com/vipMembers.do?MemberId=2913 Will I ever stop buying cards???? ================= Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2005 20:02:51 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, tknowles@sofast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 20 years from now Getting our putters out of our bags may be a problem for all of us by then (except of course for Trips). ================= Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2005 04:02:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "xtrjmx" Subject: Advice needed... what pen to use for an autograph on a catcher's mitt Hi all... as most of you know, my son (Ben) has a fascination with catchers. His card collection of catchers expands weekly and he really enjoys it. With our Omaha Royals (AAA affiliate of the KC Royals) opening up their season next weekend, we decided it would be fun to take on another catcher-related project. We have a Rawlings RCM8 Lance Parrish catcher's mitt that is in pretty good shape and we thought it might be fun to try to get the glove autographed by each of the O-Royals catchers and from as many catchers from the visiting clubs as possible. I usually get leather baseballs signed in ballpoint pen because sharpies tend to bleed over time as the ink spreads through the leather. However, I'm afraid that pen wouldn't be bold enough to be able to see on the dark brown leather. I'm also concerned about how to care for the glove after it is autographed. Can I still use oil to keep it supple or is it destined to become dry and brittle? Any advice is welcome! Thanks a million! Take care... Jim ================= Date: 9 Apr 2005 08:00:24 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who do you think will win the NL Championship in 2005? Email addys will show. Poll closes 4-8-05. CHOICES AND RESULTS - St.Louis Cardinals, 5 votes, 38.46% - Chicago Cubs, 1 votes, 7.69% - NY Mets, 2 votes, 15.38% - Washington Nationals, 0 votes, 0.00% - Milwaukee Brewers, 0 votes, 0.00% - Philadelphia Phillies, 1 votes, 7.69% - Atlanta Braves, 2 votes, 15.38% - Florida Marlins, 1 votes, 7.69% - Colorado Rockies, 0 votes, 0.00% - SF Giants, 1 votes, 7.69% - Pittsburgh Pirates, 0 votes, 0.00% - Houston Astros, 0 votes, 0.00% - LA Dodgers, 0 votes, 0.00% - Arizona Diamondbacks, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - St.Louis Cardinals - tldietrick@yahoo.com - KEVINM38@aol.com - biglittledogs@msn.com - talbot1@comcast.net - wholla_m@bellsouth.net - Chicago Cubs - xtrjmx@cox.net - NY Mets - cardguybaseball@yahoo.com - dan@iamdanaustin.com - Washington Nationals - Milwaukee Brewers - Philadelphia Phillies - familytoad@charter.net - Atlanta Braves - keithsummers@webtv.net - dcoen@willamette.edu - Florida Marlins - nthomas@pol.net - Colorado Rockies - SF Giants - grains@dccnet.com - Pittsburgh Pirates - Houston Astros - LA Dodgers - Arizona Diamondbacks For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 9 Apr 2005 08:00:24 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Which message do you think was the funniest? Email addys are kept private for this poll. Poll ends 4-8-05. CHOICES AND RESULTS - 1-30-01=S&H "grousers" by Bob Farrell/message #4795 (in old group), 0 votes, 0.00% - 4-19-01=NASA Grading Company by Rick Redpath (message in old group), 0 votes, 0.00% - 7-24-01=FERNANDO by Rick Redpath/message #406 (current group archives), 4 votes, 80.00% - 1-27-05=Steve's Top 10 Signs of Armageddon by Rittenberg/message #10686, 0 votes, 0.00% - They were all great! I can't pick a winner!, 1 votes, 20.00% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 9 Apr 2005 08:00:24 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who do you think will win the 2005 AL Championship? Email addys are shown. Poll ends 4-8-05. CHOICES AND RESULTS - Devil Rays, 0 votes, 0.00% - Yankees, 7 votes, 58.33% - Angels, 1 votes, 8.33% - Twins, 1 votes, 8.33% - Royals, 0 votes, 0.00% - White Sox, 0 votes, 0.00% - A's, 0 votes, 0.00% - Red Sox, 1 votes, 8.33% - Orioles, 0 votes, 0.00% - Mariners, 0 votes, 0.00% - Rangers, 0 votes, 0.00% - Tigers, 1 votes, 8.33% - Blue Jays, 1 votes, 8.33% - Indians, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Devil Rays - Yankees - keithsummers@webtv.net - tldietrick@yahoo.com - KEVINM38@aol.com - biglittledogs@msn.com - wholla_m@bellsouth.net - dcoen@willamette.edu - familytoad@charter.net - Angels - grains@dccnet.com - Twins - xtrjmx@cox.net - Royals - White Sox - A's - Red Sox - nthomas@pol.net - Orioles - Mariners - Rangers - Tigers - talbot1@comcast.net - Blue Jays - cardguybaseball@yahoo.com - Indians For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 07:18:43 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Just a little fun thing here............ I get email updates from Chef Georges web site.......He is a fantastic griller, who I have learned a lot from.....Never a bad grilling recipe. If any of you have seen his PBS T.V. show ,you already know this. I just got the latest update and found this..............Enjoy........Go Brewers.........3-0..... Somebody hit me and wake me up.......Have not had a winning season sine 1992. What a wasteland. OPENING DAY- April 3, 2005 We all enjoy a good hot dog. Be it the Yankees, Red Sox or whoever will take the pennant, the road to the World Series will be paved with miles of hot dogs and sausages. Where does your team stand? TOP TEN HOT DOG EATING STADIUMS Dodger Stadium - 1,674,400 Coors Field - 1,545,000 Wrigley Field - 1,543,500 Yankees Stadium - 1,365,000 Minute Maid Park - 1,248,000 Edison Field - 1,133,000 HHH Metrodome - 850,000 Citizens Bank Park - 800,000 Shea Stadium - 745,000 Dophins Stadium - 250,000 HOT DOG'S VS. SAUSAGES A survey of Major League baseball parks in March 2004 revealed that ballparks are serving about half as many sausages as hot dogs to baseball fans. In fact, in Milwaukee, WI, Brewers fans consume as many hot dogs as they do sausages and bratwurst! Americans also enjoy a number of unique sausages at ballparks. For example, Houston Astros fans will sample jalapeno-smoke sausages, while Los Angeles' Dodgers fans will enjoy chicken andouille and chicken Italian sausages. The most popular sausages served at ballparks are Italian, Polish and bratwurst. Click on TID BITS to see if your city made the top ten at over 10 million Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 08:24:47 EDT To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Just a little fun thing here............ My all-time favorites are the Italian sausage and pepper sandwiches you can buy outside of Fenway Park before you go in for the game. A Friar tradition ================= Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:24:01 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Next weekend is Pittsburgh show. Anyone going to the show at Robert Morris? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ================= Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 06:30:27 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Start of the Baseball Season Hi, Guys! The Brewers are off to a 3-0 start and lead all of major league baseball! I don't think that has happened since their 12-0 start in 1987. Wow! Magic number is down to 159! Mike W ================= Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 12:35:53 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Sad News My mother passed away this morning (Saturday April 9, 2005). We are in the process of booking a flight and hope to leave Sunday or Monday. I will probally be gone about a week. Rick Ellison ================= Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 18:06:27 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: two sets in two days One of the great collecting moments are those handful of times where we actually finish a set and get to cross something off our wantlists. I'm fortunate enough to have finished two sets in the last two days -- yesterday, I finished my 1953 Bowman B&W with the elusive Ralph Branca card courtesy of possible future OBCer Mike Taylor. Today, my Ebay win of the last checklist for 1967 Topps football arrived finishing that set! A twofer! ================= To: Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 19:53:27 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: Arthur Slade Can't say I know who Arthur Slade was (maybe I should see what google shows)--but there is a small monthly show at the Arthur Slade School just south of the BWI airport. Had a small and brief OBC gathering running into SteveRittenberg and Ed Schott. Steve was kind enough to share some tough dealer scum cards along with a bunch of other hits. We also found my regular table for low priced 1960s football--.50 sp hits from 1964 this time around. I think Ed likes the show because he knows everyone there--while I think hetrys to sell stuff it is more like the social hour-lol. Thanks Ed for the75 minis (no list--time to gather) and Kelloggs Yankees. A great small show--always seem to find something there. This time it was an inexpensive 1967 high number rookie card. Enjoy the weekend (and the Masters), Peter Mead ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 20:44:13 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Thanks Peter and Ed (and show report) As Peter wrote, Ed Schott, Peter and I met up at a small show this morning. After I pointed out some 60s Philly + Topps football to Peter, he looked through some 64 Topps. I need about half the set, but one fewer than yesterday thanks to a Ron Mix that Peter bought for me. I also begged him for another 64 out of the pile he bought as a finders fee. Thanks Peter! Mr. Ed was his usual self. I think he knows everyone there -- customers and dealers. Ed let me rifle through his star binders and I picked up a bunch of Clemens & Boggs. I suppose aren't 'vintage' but that didn't bother me. Thanks Ed! It was a pretty good show for me overall. Peter definitely got the deal of the show. A 1967 Shaw/Sutherland for $7.50 !!! I've searched for that before for OBCers and it has taken me months to find one. I'd say its one of the five toughest cards in that set along with the Seaver RC, Red Sox team card and Brooks Robinson high number. Hmm. That's four. I don't know which to add in to make it five. Now to try to tackle the mountain of cards waiting to be put away and/or mailed out. Hmm. Perhaps I can devote my time during chat night to pulling cards while I listen to everyone else yak. I wish I could have a "dig up cards for OBCers day" at my house some time. All of you are invited though its only practical for two or three to actually appear. If anyone wants to have a "virtual card swap" via Instant Messenger, let me know. OBC -- is there anything else in the world as good? ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2005 23:14:52 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Have you ever considered this? As Ken will attest, I'm occasionally willing to call a set "complete" though if I can't find a really expensive card. My 1951 Bowman set has a reprint from 1989 Bowman for the Mantle & Mays. I had a reprint in for the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams until I got lucky and found one. Same thing with the 1940 Playball Shoeless Joe Jackson. But there are many cards out there are don't provide this luxury to me. There are lots of Tris Speaker Red Sox cards that come to mind. Another on the list is an OPC Nolan Ryan RC. An idea I've come up with is to download a scan of the front and back and somehow make my own card. Maybe I'd print it out and paste the each side to a piece of cardboard. It might look cheesy but the hole in the binder would be filled and I'd save a TON of money on a card that I didn't really expect to find anyway. What do you think? I don't think there are ethical issues here. I'm downloading an image and using it for personal use. If I ever sold the set with the image in it, it'd be pretty obvious (and I wouldn't include it in the price). What else should I consider? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:25:47 +0000 From: pearceg@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Have you ever considered this? From: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" To: "Ramblings" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Have you ever considered this? Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 03:17:01 +0000 As Ken will attest, I'm occasionally willing to call a set "complete" though
if I can't find a really expensive card.  My 1951 Bowman set has a reprint
from 1989 Bowman for the Mantle & Mays.  I had a reprint in for the 1954
Bowman Ted Williams until I got lucky and found one.  Same thing with the
1940 Playball Shoeless Joe Jackson.
But there are many cards out there are don't provide this luxury to me.
There are lots of Tris Speaker Red Sox cards that come to mind.  Another on
the list is an OPC Nolan Ryan RC.  An idea I've come up with is to download
a scan of the front and back and somehow make my own card.  Maybe I'd print
it out and paste the each side to a piece of cardboard.  It might look
cheesy but the hole in the binder would be filled and I'd save a TON of
money on a card that I didn't really expect to find anyway.
What do you think?  I don't think there are ethical issues here.  I'm
downloading an image and using it for personal use.  If I ever sold the set
with the image in it, it'd be pretty obvious (and I wouldn't include it in
the price).  What else should I consider?
Steve
================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 00:53:40 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Does this look real? The dealer was very conservative about the authenticity of the card. The only 1940 PB reprints I've seen look nowhere near as close to real as this one. The dealer has a bunch of other cards that are similarly dubious in authenticity. She's told me that I didn't have to take it if I didnt want to. I think I might take it and show it around at Fort Washington. Even if its a fake, it cost me only a few dollars more than what I'd pay for one from the reprint set (if that makes any sense). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5183697034&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:US:6 ================= Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:39:44 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Does this look real? I think all of this selller's cards are reprints. The dealer was very conservative about the authenticity of the card. The only 1940 PB reprints I've seen look nowhere near as close to real as this one. The dealer has a bunch of other cards that are similarly dubious in authenticity. She's told me that I didn't have to take it if I didnt want to. I think I might take it and show it around at Fort Washington. Even if its a fake, it cost me only a few dollars more than what I'd pay for one from the reprint set (if that makes any sense). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5183697034&ssPageName=ADME: Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 12:46:04 -0400 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Does this look real? I agree with Andy-- they look like reprints. And my now ironclad policy tomyself is this: if a seller is "selling as a reprint" and doesn't guarantee authenticity, it's ALWAYS going to be a reprint. Steve's only risked $4 in this case. But I'd caution anyone else thinking of bidding on this seller's junk-- ----- Original Message ----- From: typecard@aol.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Does this look real? I think all of this selller's cards are reprints. The dealer was very conservative about the authenticity of the card. The only 1940 PB reprints I've seen look nowhere near as close to real as this one. The dealer has a bunch of other cards that are similarly dubiousin authenticity. She's told me that I didn't have to take it if I didnt want to. I think I might take it and show it around at Fort Washington. Even if its a fake, it cost me only a few dollars more than what I'd pay forone from the reprint set (if that makes any sense). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5183697034&ssPageNameADME:B:EOAB:US:6 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:52:17 EDT To: Glk@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Richard.Vigna@dhs.gov, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Arrangements The following is information on my Mother's funeral service: Marion Smith (My Mother's name) Hubert C. Balker Funeral Home 7415 Hodgson Memorial Drive Savannah, Georgia 31406 (912) 927-1999 Viewing 6-8 PM Tuesday, April 12, 2005 Funeral Services 10 AM Wednesday, April 13, 2005 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:22:51 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Tipton MINT 1953 Bowman Musial This card has it all. Paper missing, soft corners, creases. I hope someone in OBC wins it. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5185059597 ================= Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 00:35:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1978 Hostess - Last Two! The last two '78 Hostess are turning out to be tremendously elusive. I've tried ebay, I've tried beckett.com....#25 Guidry and #31 Murray continue to elude me at any price, and have for several months now! Anybody want to be a hero? Handsome reward offered!!!!! ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:43:37 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Neat site for oddball cards While looking for hostess cards for Jimbo, I stumbled across this site. They have neat stuff like 1960s Dodgers postcards for 75 cents. http://www.rndng3rd.com/R3/Rooms/oddball.html ================= Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2005 22:28:09 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Atlanta card shops I am in Atlanta for a couple of days. Does anyone know of any cards shops in the nearby area that have vintage cards at good prices? ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 11:28:42 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Dirt cheap vintage hockey on ebay I just bought one of this guys lots. He has a few others. I'm hoping to drive the price down even more to get a 51-52 Parkie, 57-58 Ullman RC and some OPC hockey booklets. There's still plenty left for OBC including a 65-66 checklist, 60-61 Parkies lot and 68-69 OPC Hull. Here's the link. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcardxman Hope this helps someone. ================= Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Robert Morris Show and Pirate game! I need to know how many will be attending the Pirate game Saturday night so I can reserve some tickets. Who all will be attending the card show that day? The only one that is attending for sure is John Leroux. How about you Cap, Joe Isaac, Kent M., Joe D., Larry G., Tom H. Bob S., Neal or anyone else in the Pittsburgh general area this weekend? Hope to see more of our gang there. If not, John and I will grab all the deals! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ================= To: tldietrick@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 17:25:39 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Robert Morris Show and Pirate game! Much as I'd like to, I'll instead be chaperoning a group of students to a competition at Allegheny College all day. Have a great time and great On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 12:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Terry Dietrick writes: I need to know how many will be attending the Pirate game Saturday night so I can reserve some tickets. Who all will be attending the card show that day? The only one that is attending for sure is John Leroux. How about you Cap, Joe Isaac, Kent M., Joe D., Larry G., Tom H. Bob S., Neal or anyone else in the Pittsburgh general area this weekend? Hope to see more of our gang there. If not, John and I will grab all the deals! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 06:35:39 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: Spook Jacobs I still yak with our old friend Bob Schaub, and got this email from him this morning=85.thought some of you might find it interesting: Good morning Grant, I recently bought a card on ebay from spookj98r5, sent my money order plus a note asking if he was truly the Spook Jacobs from the 50`s. He is! He sent a handwritten note with an autograph! He is alive and well and living in Delaware. Take care. Very cool! No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 11:28:24 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spook Jacobs How did he get his nickname? ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Spook Jacobs I still yak with our old friend Bob Schaub, and got this email from him this morning=85.thought some of you might find it interesting: Good morning Grant, I recently bought a card on ebay from spookj98r5, sent my money order plus a note asking if he was truly the Spook Jacobs from the 50`s. He is! He sent a handwritten note with an autograph! He is alive and well and living in Delaware. Take care. Very cool! Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.8 - Release Date: 4/13/2005 ================= Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 16:43:17 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Fwd: WOULD LIKE TO TRADE Has anyone traded with this guy? ================= Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:26:08 -0700 (PDT) To: Ramblings OBC , From: John Pugsley Subject: Mahalo and Aloha OBCers -- By now you're heard I've decided to hang up the cardboard. Just wanted to say thanks and see you later. I decided to leave this great group. I truely think it's a great group and I think you guys have it right with the "what comes around goes around" trading philosophy. My interest in collecting cards has been waning for awhile and my interest in baseball in general is pretty much non-existent. I really enjoyed the surprise of receiving cards as well as trying to make a return hit, but I never got into being a set builder. Thanks again to the guys who sent me cards and best of luck to you all with your collecting and your future endeavors. John "Pugs" Pugsley http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ ================= Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 23:39:50 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Pic of the day GIT-R-DONE/ DSC00864.JPG ================= Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:26:27 -0700 (PDT) To: dcoen@willamette.edu From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: My Email Graduation Announcement Greetings friends! This is my email version of my graduation announcement. Family members will receive the real one in the mail. I will be receiving my Juris Doctrate from Willamette University College of Law in Salem, Oregon on May 15th. After that, I am moving back to the Tacoma, Washington area. So, my mail will stop on May 7th-ish. I am very excited to get this degree after three long years, which have been made shorter with my wonderful friends from my two favorite groups: YDWA and OBC. Thank you all for your support, and I look forward to spending more time on the two hobbies I love most: politics and baseball cards (and hanging out with my lovely girlfriend Krystal which of course is number one). All my best, Dan Coen 350 - 13th St. NE #202 Salem, OR 97301 (253) 241-0779 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 00:24:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Cardinal Team Checklist available? I know some folks have painstakingly put together team checklists for teams such as the Phillies and Red Sox. Does anyone have a list for the Cardinals? A friend has asked for such help. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2005 19:34:09 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: cigarrette smoke I got a namath rookie that looks to have been exposed to cig smoke for decades. does anyone have suggestions on how to clean or not? thanks, kit okamuro ================= Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 02:38:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: dis and dat For the time being I will be staying at my job, although that is always subject to change. therefore the Mike Rich North American BB tour is being postponed indefinately. Life has been quite busy lately. Too busy, in that I had to pass on a generous opffer from gersh to have me come down to Cinci for the weekend to see a Reds game and go to a card show. Thanks so much for thinking of me and I hope you and Tom are having a great time. My ex-partners for the cmpany I left in February, 2004 mailed me a 10k form yesterday. I was not expecting one and had already mailed my returns with my check to keep Andy Cook employed earlier today. Now I need to file an amended return. People wonder why I had to get away from these partners. What Bastards. The cat continues to be quite ill. Looks like I may have to put her to sleep soon. Anyone that has gone through this, knows how tough this is. One of the worst days in my life was years ago when I held my dog as she was put down. Some folks in the group have been introduced to a friend of mine, Tom Wright in a couple of the OBC chats that I invited him to. Tom sent me in a package of Coke caps and compelted my 1964 Bears set and got me to within 1 of my 1967 Cubs. Great stuff and i will continue to encourage him to swap with OBC and join our group. Thanks to all who have posted notes about Doug and other matters important to OBC. As a new member of the OBCAC I find it useful to get the groups input. Hope all will agree with our decisions, shatever they may be. We are taking these issues seriously, while trying to keep it in perspective with the history and future of the group. Geno should be commended for his role as Facilitator. A lot more work than I would have thought necessary. The Toronto show is less than 2 weeks away. I am still willing to be a designated shopper for those looking for Canadian issues. I will be going to the Tigers game next Saturday, April 23. Hope it is as beautiful a day as Opening Day. Big concern is that Passover starts that nite, so it will be tough to stop off at my favorite bakery near the stadium and get my fav double chcolate torte cake. A few OBCers have joined me for this indulgence. Sometimes it is better than the game itself. Thanks for the outlet to ramble. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 08:19:02 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: what to do for an encore? I get to Detroit with some degree of regularity. We have a small office there that does a ton of work for GM and Ford. Most people chuckle about my going to the Motor City--but then they don't know about FOOT. FOOT (Mike, EEK, Mark, Ron and others) really know how to roll out a red carpet. I believe Andy Cook found this out recently. In any case, I found myself in Detroit last week and was hoping to find a quite restaurant--I called Mike Rich. Armed with his entertainment book--Mike simply has the knack for finding a place to eat where he and I are the only folks in the joint. A year or so ago, it was the Motor City Music Bar & Grill where Mark, Mike and I were provided "entertainment" by the singing waiter/bartender. This place has since closed down. This time it was Jobo's Sports Bar in beautiful downtown Dearborn. Only Mike would recognize that the shrine in the corner was Novo Bojovic--the kicker for the USFL champion Michigan Panthers (their championship year was 1983). This must have been Novo's joint--and has been in steady decline for the past 20 years. But the beer was cold, the food was good, and the Tigers were on the big screen. On top of that, Mike and Mark once again made a trip to Detroit thoroughly enjoyable. Baseball, beer, laughter, stories--and although it isn'tabout the cardboard, there were a few cards tossed in as well. What can Mike do for an encore--it is now almost FOOT legend about the places Mike decides to take out-of-towners (or maybe it is just me-lol). Thanks guys as always for dropping your real life to keep me company on theroad. It truly is not about the cardboard. Peter Mead ================= To: "mikesportsfan" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:09:22 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cardinal Team Checklist available? Such list can be found at: http://www.teamsets4u.com Hope you find this helpful. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------MARK -------------- Original message -------------- I know some folks have painstakingly put together team checklists for teams such as the Phillies and Red Sox. Does anyone have a list for the Cardinals? A friend has asked for such help. Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 18:24:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: another request for a card of a relative I received this E-mail today. Anyone have this card they can scan for him? Also anyone going to a show, expecially the major show, please keep an eye out and get an E-mail addy for the dealer. Thanks Mike Rich It is my understanding from a sports card website that "The Dreier Collection" of Imperial Tobacco 1912 C46 baseball cards includes a of my grandfather, William F. Sline Sr. It is card #9 in the series he is mistakenly referred to as "Fred Sline" on the back of the card. Here's my question: Is there any chance of me locating a copy of this card to purchase? If not, is there any possibility that a quality digital photo could be made of the front and back of the card and then emailed to me? Any help or suggestions you could provide me would be Thank you. Richard W. Sline, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Communication Weber State University 1605 University Circle Ogden, UT 84408-1605 801.626.6535 (voice) 801.721.1154 (cell) 801.626.7975 (FAX) ================= To: Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:02:02 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Iron Joe McGinnity OBC World, I just found out that my boss's boss is the great-grandson of Iron Joe McGinnity. Matt and I talked about this for awhile the other day and it was cool to talk to him about his grandpa...he knows all of his stats and records. He wasjazzed to find out that I had a card of him ( he doesn't)... I know that Joe doesn't have many cards due to his playing around the turn of the century... Who out there has an Alphabetical Checklist handy that could help me point out to Matt what to look for... I know he has a T206 w/Newark (Iron Joe pitched pro ball until 54 years old!), He has a T201 (that's the one I have)...and I'm not sure which others. He might be in the 60 or 61 Fleer sets too. I don't collect those but wouldbe willing to trade for one so that I can send it to Matt. He will probably have to buy his own Prewar Iron Joe McGinnity card (because he makes twice as much money as I do:) but if someone has one to trade me, I'll listen to those offers too. Thanks as always for the abundant knowledge ahead of time... OBC Forever, ================= To: "'Brian Lindholme'" , Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 12:06:55 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Iron Joe McGinnity Yes he does have a =9261 Fleer Brian=85.#126. No card for =9260 Fleer. OBC World, I just found out that my boss's boss is the great-grandson of Iron Joe Matt and I talked about this for awhile the other day and it was cool to talk to him about his grandpa...he knows all of his stats and records. He was jazzed to find out that I had a card of him ( he doesn't)... I know that Joe doesn't have many cards due to his playing around the turn of the century... Who out there has an Alphabetical Checklist handy that could help me point out to Matt what to look for... I know he has a T206 w/Newark (Iron Joe pitched pro ball until 54 years old !), He has a T201 (that's the one I have)...and I'm not sure which He might be in the 60 or 61 Fleer sets too. I don't collect those but would be willing to trade for one so that I can send it to Matt. He will probably have to buy his own Prewar Iron Joe McGinnity card (because he makes twice as much money as I do:) but if someone has one to trade me, I'll listen to those offers too. Thanks as always for the abundant knowledge ahead of time... OBC Forever, Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/"http://groups.yahoo.com/gr * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.13 - Release Date: 4/16/2005 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2005 22:56:20 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Robert Morris Univ. Show Took the drive over to Pittsburgh today to attend the above show, in all hopes to get my 1969 set down to at least a couple of cards, and take my 3 kids out of the wife's hair for a day while she went to Cleveland with her friends. We got there about 12:30 and soon after found OBC hat wearer Terry Dietrick while I was checking for a few cards from Kayleigh's basketball list and a off condition box of vintage. Terry joined in with me looking for some 1971's for himself. I picked a couple cards off of some sets, and handed Terry some hits off of his list. Told Terry I was moving off to find more things for I didn't know how long my almost 2 year old would last as he decided not to take a nap on the way out there. We decided to meet back up in a couple of hours over by the concession stand as Terry's son Adam, was off looking for things as well. In the meantime, I did see Bill Henderson there and raided his off condition boxes for a while, he was the only person that recognized the logo, but there were quite a few dealers with Vintage, and most of them were dealing pretty well. I managed to clean up the 1969 set down to three cards, and did find a 69 Mantle for $40 that only has 6 pen dots on the back, from the same guy I picked up a Carew Rookie for another $35. The kids were starting to get antsy after that table so we took a break and went outside and let them run around for a while. Great day out and wished I knew that they would have survived an invitation to attend the evening's Pirates game. However I knew better then to test them. While the two older ones were snaking I let Micah out of the stroller, and within ten minutes, I learn that he runs right into the knee of Mr. Alou who was there to sign thank goodness no damage done, he just rubbed his leg, then Micah's head and went into the show. Back in for round two, where I started just rummaging through the "lesser" boxes that I could find. I picked up about 60 more cards that will be passed around over the next week (anyone need a '60 Banks) and found Terry again. By now my three kids were antsy, and the one in the stroller asleep. Terry looked like he did some damage to his 1971 set and I was pretty happy with my 1969 cards that I had found, we chatted for a while with his son, and I left them to make one more quick round and then head back to Ohio. Over all I liked the show, there was about 10 off condition boxes I went through, at least one dealer of just Hockey, and he had two tables of it, a good variety of other items such as gloves, records, a guy that dealt with just films, magazines and books. Nice to see and hear that some dealers were from far away as Texas, (707 Sportcards was there) and it wasn't crowded so that you didn't feel like you were in someone's way. Down side of it all, was parking and food offerings or at least a place to sit and take a break. After I got back home I started thinking about all those sets I don't have yet on my list...... I guess more questions I will ask another day... hopefully more of the local members will meet up there next John Leroux A card to someone is just a stamp away _Vintage Card Wantlist_ (http://hometown.aol.com/trufan999/CardWantlistindex.html) ================= To: Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 15:35:11 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Back in a bit! Gents -- I'm going to be out of town with no internet this week, so if anyone is looking for me, I'll get back to you next week! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 14:17:20 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: Does anyone use card collecting software? Does anyone use card collecting software to keep track of their collections? Is there a program to track haves, and the prices paid for cards so you can see how much you spent to complete a set? Let me know, Dan Coen ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 12:25:32 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Anyone visiting? This is a REAL longshot, but are any OBCers planning to visit Scotland this summer? This reason I'm asking is that I have my eye on a particular MP3 player. There is somehting in the region of $120 difference in the price between Amazon's US and UK websites (US being cheaper). I could order the device straight from the US site and have it delivered here, but every penny of saving - and possibly more - would be eaten up by shipping, tax, duty, and handling charges. Basically, having goods sent through the mail is considered importing. Ideally, what I'm looking for is someone who could physically bring one into the country for me. The way things work over here, you're allowed to bring up to about $1800 worth of gifts into Britain, as long as you are actually carrying them. This is a relatively recent development. Until last month, the limit was about $600. If anyone thinks they may be able to help me out, please let me know. I can promise a night of great hospitality in Glasgow in return! Glasgow, Scotland Email sent from www.ntlworld.com virus-checked using mcAfee(R) Software visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ================= Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 20:10:59 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Subject: baseballrecordings.com feedback Hello gang I have been working on BASEBALLRECORDINGS.COM since December in an attempt to learn a little HTML in all of my free time (between the usual 63 hour work week) and have 7 1\2 of my proposed 10 page site up and running. It's an extension of my rare recordings page that is in the RARE BASEBALL RECORDINGS section of "OBC Specialties" There are about 30 recordings that you can listen to if you want to. There are some really fun and historic recordings on the page. I think GO GO SOX is my favorite just because it's catchy. Any feedback is appreciated. Within another month I should have the entire site up and I will make the adjustment in the "OBC Specialties" section at that time. I know it's been a while since I dropped you guys a note, but in theory things are going to be slowing down soon (assuming prayer works) and I will once again become a normal human. Just to update everyone, I am now working for ESPN Radio as an executive producer for a couple of the shows that preempt network programming in the Southeast including the Pat Summit Show, Just Another Sports Show, and Rob and Russell in the Morning (of course NONE of you probably get them as they are all in limited markets, but it's a living) I still read all of the OBC ramblings postings and have a great time keeping up with you guys that way. The worlds worst, and most delinquent OBCer P.S. Hang on... I'll be back soon. ================= Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2005 21:20:51 -0400 (GMT-04:00) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] baseballrecordings.com feedback
Great stuff!  Reminds me of the organ back at beloved old Jarry Parc.
Hello gang
I have been working on BASEBALLRECORDINGS.COM since December in an attempt to learn a little HTML in all of my free time (between the usual 63 hour work week) and have 7 1\2 of my proposed 10 page site up and running.    It's an extension of my rare recordings page that is in the RARE BASEBALL RECORDINGS  section of "OBC Specialties"
There are about 30 recordings that you can listen to if you want to. There are some really fun and historic recordings on the page. I think GO GO SOX is my favorite just because it's catchy.   Any feedback is appreciated.  Within another month I should have the entire site up and I will make the adjustment in the "OBC Specialties" section at that time. 
I know it's been a while since I dropped you guys a note, but in theory things are going to be slowing down soon (assuming prayer works) and I will once again become a normal human.     Just to update everyone, I am now working for ESPN Radio as an executive producer for a couple of the shows that preempt network programming in the Southeast including the Pat Summit Show, Just Another Sports Show, and Rob and Russell in the Morning (of course NONE of you probably get them as they are all in limited markets, but it's a living)  I still read all of the OBC ramblings postings and have a great time keeping up with you guys that way.
The worlds worst, and most delinquent OBCer
P.S. Hang on... I'll be back soon.
 
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    • ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:56:26 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Who knew? Who knew our own George Hay was one of the ALL-TIME HOCKEY GREATS? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5187995161&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1 I also found his career stats: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/players/data07/00002207.html Check out his stats. One year George had far more points scored than games played! ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" , Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:30:39 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? You think that's something? Check out Garry Unger's stats for the 1985/86 and 1986/87 seasons! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=5518 Now that's some funky scoring record over a 36 game season! Incredibly, he only finished 2nd in league scoring in 86/87 and didn't even make the top 10 the previous season. During that 85/86 season, I was living in Edinburgh and regularly attended the local Murrayfield Racers games. Murrayfield vs Dundee was a bit of a local rivalry, and the games were pretty tough. For a guy who racked up next to nothing in penalty minutes during his NHL career, I was surprised to see Unger get sent to the showers with a game misconduct after a fairly vicious fight with Murrayfield defender Paul Hand. Unger came out of it with a busted nose. Hand came out much worse. I think a lot of players gunned for Unger when he first arrived here in Britain, trying to "make a name" for themselves. He was the first genuine star NHL player to play in the BHL in the modern era. They soon laid off when they realised that Unger was here to play hockey, but wasn't afraid to dish it out if - big time - if he had to. Ps Still, George Hay, huh? I've got to say that George looks pretty good for 107! He probably has an old card in his attic that ages for him! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Sent: 19 April 2005 18:56 To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? Who knew our own George Hay was one of the ALL-TIME HOCKEY GREATS? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5187995161&ssPageName=ADM I also found his career stats: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/players/data07/00002207.html Check out his stats. One year George had far more points scored than games played! Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:48:27 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? Ok, I missed that. I have to admit, that’s very impressive. Not dissimilar to Ellison’s usual golf score after zero holes played (which makes his victory* in last years Vegas tourney all the more unbelievable). -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: 19 April 2005 19:38 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? In one year, George scored 30+ points in ZERO games played. Neither Garry Unger or even Felix Unger can top that. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) ; Ramblings Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 2:30 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? You think that's something? Check out Garry Unger's stats for the 1985/86 and 1986/87 seasons! http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid%5B%5D=5518 Now that's some funky scoring record over a 36 game season! Incredibly, he only finished 2nd in league scoring in 86/87 and didn't even make the top 10 the previous season. During that 85/86 season, I was living in Edinburgh and regularly attended the local Murrayfield Racers games. Murrayfield vs Dundee was a bit of a local rivalry, and the games were pretty tough. For a guy who racked up next to nothing in penalty minutes during his NHL career, I was surprised to see Unger get sent to the showers with a game misconduct after a fairly vicious fight with Murrayfield defender Paul Hand. Unger came out of it with a busted nose. Hand came out much worse. I think a lot of players gunned for Unger when he first arrived here in Britain, trying to "make a name" for themselves. He was the first genuine star NHL player to play in the BHL in the modern era. They soon laid off when they realised that Unger was here to play hockey, but wasn't afraid to dish it out if - big time - if he had to. Ps Still, George Hay, huh? I've got to say that George looks pretty good for 107! He probably has an old card in his attic that ages for him! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Sent: 19 April 2005 18:56 To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? Who knew our own George Hay was one of the ALL-TIME HOCKEY GREATS? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5187995161&ssPageName=ADM . ================= To: Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 15:56:13 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: New Orleans - Off topic; sorry My wife and I are planning a post-tax season trip to New Orleans. Can anybody recommend any hotels in or near the French Quarter? ================= Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 20:53:58 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Lew Lipset / interesting stuff... auctions, non sport, all sports ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 01:28:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Last call for Canadian lists Less than 10 days before I hope to go to Toronto for the semi-annual show. I have received about a half dozen lists from folks wanting me to be a designated shopper for them for Canadian issues. Rules again are send me your lists of Canadian issues you are looking for with conditiona nd price you are willing to pay up to. I will be a designated shopper and see what I can find for you. Send lists soon so I can be organized for the show. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:41:56 EDT To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? In a message dated 04/19/2005 11:33:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, gg.c1960@ntlworld.com writes: Still, George Hay, huh? I've got to say that George looks pretty good for yes he does. However, despite his age, he will not get stokes Rest well, ================= Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 21:59:58 EDT To: Topgolf@aol.com, gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? Maybe no strokes, but my contribution to the excuse breakfast was just made ================= To: , Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 22:07:40 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lew Lipset / interesting stuff... auctions, non sport, all sportsetc Thanks much for thinking of me, Keith. The minimum bids are at least 10x over my budget so you wont hear about me winning lots until I've won the lottery. I try to get non-sport N cards (Allen & Ginter, Duke, Kinneys) for$1 each. I must be doing something right as I have an album full. Mosthave back damage but as long as they aren't skinned or cut from an album, they are ok with me. In the auction is one of my favorite sets: 238. N220 Kinney Harlequin set of 53. Cross collectible with playing card collectors and tobacco card collectors. Very popular set with images designed within the four playing card suits and a joker or title card. MB $500. I won't paste in the sample card from the lot but I can describe it. There are pictures of men & women in circus costumes in various poses that somehow suggest each card in a 52 card deck. Hmm. Maybe this will be a good "virtual set" for me to collect. I think I have one real one. Yikes, I better stop here before anyone falls asleep from boredom. ----- Original Message ----- From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Lew Lipset / interesting stuff... auctions, non sport, all sportsetc Anyone ever mentioned this site in OBC-Ramblings? Odd ball stuff for Mike Rich & non sports stuff for Steve R. Click link below: Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. http://www.oldjudge.com/lewlipset/index.cfm ================= Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2005 23:22:09 EDT To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lew Lipset / interesting stuff... auctions, non sport, al... I have been buying from Lew for more years than I have been in OBC and count him as one of my good dealer friends...if you ever get the chance and are interested in pre-war cards, try and pick up his encyclopedia...it is a wonderful resource. I highly recommend him and he often has wonderful stuff on ebay. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 06:02:27 -0600 (MDT) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: New Pope I see we have a new pope. Our own Father Pat was a candidate, but the College of Cardinals didn't like the name he had picked--Pope Mickey the 1st. ;) ================= To: Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:10:10 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: question on Paypal I've a question on Paypal. I believe that if you pay for something through paypal and you never receive it, they will refund your money from the seller. What if you pay big $ for a card and it comes as a reprint. Would you be able to use paypal to get your money back? ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:36:54 EDT To: GHAY1@aol.com, gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? In a message dated 04/19/2005 7:04:05 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, GHAY1@aol.com writes: Maybe no strokes, but my contribution to the excuse breakfast was just made At your age, I hope that it is the only thing that is premature Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 08:39:57 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: New member. Please welcome George Hay as the newest member of the Aspen Creek Cycling Team. George is in training in his home state of Texas in preparation for the upcoming Tour de V05. Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:09:25 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Help with 1936 Goudeys I recently purchased a 1936 Goudey Paul Waner on eBay to upgrade the card I had in my set. My old card has "ball" and "strike" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. The better card has "foul" and "force out" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. Is this a reprint or did the original cards have different backs? Thanks for your help, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 19:24:33 EDT To: Brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1936 Goudeys In a message dated 4/20/2005 7:11:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brockhattox@cs.com writes: I recently purchased a 1936 Goudey Paul Waner on eBay to upgrade the card I had in my set. My old card has "ball" and "strike" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. The better card has "foul" and "force out" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. Is this a reprint or did the original cards have different backs? Thanks for your help, I think you could get each card with a variety of "play" combinations on the ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:25:38 EDT To: Topgolf@aol.com, gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who knew? ================= Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 18:51:45 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Chicago Card Shop Hi, Guys! Last weekend, my wife and I attended a wedding in Chicago. Since it was the wedding of a son of my wife's friends, she agreed to a side trip to a card shop. The OBC list of recommended dealers has one shop in the Chicago area--AU Sports Memorabilia--just off the freeway in Skokie. I had all of about 20 minutes to browse (and would have loved to have several hours, but found 11 hits to my lists in that time (all high numbers or short prints--1 1953 Topps, 1 1961 Topps, and 9 1955 Bowman)--all in OBC condition. When OBCers are in Chicago for the National, I heartily recommend a visit to this shop. Mike W ================= Date: 21 Apr 2005 02:18:52 -0000 To: typecard@aol.com, Brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1936 Goudeys Yes, the 36 Goudeys came with a variety of backs. ------------- Original message follows ------------- In a message dated 4/20/2005 7:11:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brockhattox@cs.com writes: I recently purchased a 1936 Goudey Paul Waner on eBay to upgrade the card I had in my set. My old card has "ball" and "strike" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. The better card has "foul" and "force out" at the top and bottom of the card on the back. Is this a reprint or did the cards have different backs? Thanks for your help, I think you could get each card with a variety of "play" combinations on the ================= To: , , , Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2005 20:35:06 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1936 Goudeys My Waner has FOUL & FORCE OUT. Like others have mentioned, the front / backcombinations are numerous. BTW Gang, that set may not have made it to my WL, but I need just these 4... 6 Clyde Castleman 9 Frank Crosetti 15 Hank Greenberg 20 Chuck Klein ... to complete my set...anyone want to trade for these? That would be super cool ! Thanks and OBC Forever, ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2005 08:16:44 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: New snipe service needed I've become reliant on www.vrane.com for their snipe service. However twice this week, I put in a snipe, received the confirmation email but my bid didnt get entered. Coincidentally, my membership with them has expired so Im in the market for another snipe service. Who do you recommend? And why? Thanks. ================= To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:18:55 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: a tough decision to make, photos incl. From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: a tough decision to make, photos incl. Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 01:23:07 +0000 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="mickey.jpg" ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 14:56:41 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Hear every baseball game this year for free! mlb.com has a neat offer. Sign up for a 4 week trial subscription to Sports Illustrated and you can get the mlb.com GameDay Audio package for free. You go to the mlb.com website and you can hear any game being played, home or away. I think they might also store archived games. Its best to have a DSL line if you are going to do this. I sit in front of my computer every night and getting to hear a game is a nice relaxant for me. Its great to have the opportunity to hear guys like Vin Scully or Jon Miller rather than the regular guys. I'm too cheap to have cable tv and besides, I like baseball better on the radio. I read in Sports Illustrated that you can do the same thing on XM radio but thats too expensive for home use. Here's a link to click on: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/audio/gda/index.jsp ps You can also pay mlb.com $14.95 directly if you dont want the trial ================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:37:17 -0400 (GMT-04:00) To: Ramblings From: Jim Beauchemin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hear every baseball game this year for free! I had this last year. Being both old-fashioned and a purist, I love radio games. Listening to Vin Scully brings me back to 1965, all over again. -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" Sent: Apr 22, 2005 2:56 PM To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hear every baseball game this year for free! mlb.com has a neat offer. Sign up for a 4 week trial subscription to Sports Illustrated and you can get the mlb.com GameDay Audio package for free. You go to the mlb.com website and you can hear any game being played, home or away. I think they might also store archived games. Its best to have a DSL line if you are going to do this. I sit in front of my computer every night and getting to hear a game is a nice relaxant for me. Its great to have the opportunity to hear guys like Vin Scully or Jon Miller rather than the regular guys. I'm too cheap to have cable tv and besides, I like baseball better on the radio. I read in Sports Illustrated that you can do the same thing on XM radio but thats too expensive for home use. Here's a link to click on: http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/audio/gda/index.jsp ps You can also pay mlb.com $14.95 directly if you dont want the trial Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 18:07:06 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: LI Ducks Sign Donovan Osborne, John Rocker & 11 other former MLB Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:30:38 -0400 (EDT) From: info@liducks.com To: maillist@liducks.com Subject: DUCKS SIGN DONOVAN OSBORNE ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 11:33:21 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: Doug Smith Doug called me yesterday, we were on the phone for about an hour on a lot of topics. One of the things he asked me to do is pass on his best to OBC, and tell you all how much he misses the group. He is still not allowed to have a computer, is attending counseling, and is cooperating with the authorities 100%. As far as the case goes, here=92s an update. The forensic data recovery guy did look at OBC, and his conclusion was =93that sounds like a really cool group.=94 Doug told the investigators that no one in OBC had anything to do with this, and nothing untoward has ever been exchanged with anyone in the group. Doug is proud of the fact that because of his cooperation with the investigators, =93two pretty bad guys=94 are in jail right now. They were involved in far more than looking at pictures, they were into the exploitation end of things. I don=92t wish to get another debate going here, but Doug also asked me to do something for him. His lawyer is preparing for the pre-sentence report. Doug would like to know if anyone in OBC would be willing to correspond with his lawyer, sort of a =93character report=94 that would be read to the judge, to be taken into consideration before sentence. (Standard procedure.) Obviously, we are not talking about the situation Doug got himself into, I don=92t think any of us have any sympathy with that. We are talking pre-incident, if you will. I have never met Doug, have chatted to him on the phone a few times, via IM, emails, etc. Many of you have met him, or may be good friends with So=85..if you have no interest in doing this, for whatever reason, simply hit your delete button now. If you wish to support Doug if you feel you can be of help, please hit the Reply button and let me know. I=92ll compile the list of participants and see just what they need, and let you know. I told Doug I would try to get back to him later this week. Please don=92t shoot the messenger. Thanks, Grant No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005 ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 22:16:40 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: free book Anyone interested in a copy of The Whitey Ford Story by Milton Shapiro? Copyright date is 1962, so it doesnt cover all of the his career. It's a copy that our high school library has discarded, so it has library stamps and markings on it. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 02:13:57 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: A Rough Year This has been a rough year for me and my family. We lost my father-in-law a few months ago, my mother (unexpectedly last week), my house was broken into and I am still fighting terrorist every day at work. It is almost more than I can handle and I probably will not make the Vegas trip however my wife, our friend Pat, my daughter and her cousin, and my son Richard will be there. Place a double asterisk by my name. I wish you all well! Rick Ellison (Trips, Tripleplay) ================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 04:40:41 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Anyone catch this article? http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/howard/bal-ho.lol20apr20,1,445126.story?collbal-local-howard The tricky origins of the game of 'base-ball' might well surprise you Howard at Play -- Recreation and local sports in Howard County By Lowell E. Sunderland Sun Staff April 20, 2005 YOU MIGHT think, you parents introducing your early elementary school-age children to baseball this spring, that it is an American tradition you're passing along - a proud game a century or so old, descended, some say, from "rounders" in England. You're right - in a limited way, though. Columbia retiree Skip McAfee, 67, would enjoy seeing your expression as he tells you in a friendly, matter-of-fact voice that fathers and sons (and, more unexpectedly, mothers and daughters) have made a game of hitting thrown objects with sticks since, at least, ancient Egypt. McAfee also would point out that "rounders" - still played in England, by the way - isn't the only old English game that contributed to what we call baseball (and softball). Did you ever hear, he might ask, of "stoolball," in the object was for a pitcher to knock over a three-legged stool protected by batter? It began in England in the 12th century. Or, did you ever hear of a group of "old cat" games from Colonial times that had hitting a ball and running to a base, if little else, in common with modern-day baseball? McAfee, you see, is passionate about the diamond kind of sport. Besides umpiring softball games almost daily during the spring and summer, and serving years as commissioner of the at-least-as-social-as-competitive Cindy La Rue Co-Rec Softball League and participating in an over-60 men's softball league, McAfee also is a ... mmmmm "I'm a baseball researcher/historian/lexicographer," he said. He is not into baseball statistics, per se. McAfee's pursuit is lore and language and terminology and baseball as sociology. He loves research and historical documentation and anecdotal evidence of the impact of baseball on To illustrate, McAfee has for years collected quotes about the sport from books, newspapers and other resources. He just compiled many of them in footnote-laden paper used in the new spring edition of Nine, A Journal of Baseball History and Culture published by the University of Nebraska Press. Three samples: "I watch a lot of baseball on radio." That was former President Gerald Ford, "Baseball is very big with my people. It figures. It's the only time we can get to shake a bat at a white man without starting a riot." From African-American comedian and social activist Dick Gregory, 1962. And from 1994, Stephanie Moller, then 12, a French horn player from Baltimore County after performing at an Orioles game: "It was kind of neat to stand on the same field where all the players spit." That quote collection will be handy, no doubt, as part of a new baseball-related work-in-progress by writer Dickson, a Montgomery County author who has published 45 books. One of those works, The Dickson Baseball Dictionary, was published in 1989. Near the end of its compilation, McAfee became involved through his work as president of the Society for American Baseball Research. Since then, he and Dickson have developed what at times becomes daily collaboration. A second edition of the dictionary, that one with McAfee's considerable assistance, was published in 1999. And in addition to a new volume about baseball quotes, a third edition of the dictionary with Dickson as author but McAfeeas editor is being negotiated now. Dictionaries being what they are, as documentation of language, are never finished, Dickson said. The current edition contains about 7,000 entries, ranging from "A," the scorecard abbreviation for an assist, to "zurdo," Spanish for "lefty," or a left-handed player. The third edition is expected to contain about 10,000 entries. McAfee said that as SABR president, he had to try to find anyone who knew of a baseball dictionary - there was none - and was referred to Dickson, who had one in draft form. The two later discovered they were both alumni of Wesleyan University in Connecticut. McAfee, said Dickson, has contributed countless hours to the dictionary, serving now as not only part-time researcher, but also as a compiler of new information with "unusual sensitivity" to how meanings of a term originate and change over time. "Skip considers himself a baseball scholar," said Dickson, talking about the Columbian's value to his work. "He knows a phenomenal amount of stuff, and he has an intensity that many don't have. He's almost monastic in his approach." All of which comes down to loving the history of baseball. Lots of folks, for instance, still think Abner Doubleday invented the game, in Cooperstown, N.Y. But as a visit to the Hall of Fame in that tiny central New York town will prove, 'twasn't so. In fact, McAfee pointed out, "There's a single thing written about Doubleday and baseball - well, there was one. About 1870, Doubleday, who was an Army officer, requisitioned some bats and balls for his troops." Think the name "baseball" appeared post-Civil War - another widely held "We know that's not true," said McAfee, noting an ordinance in Pittsfield, Mass., banning various sports from being played in the town limits, including "base-ball." That was in 1791, when the fear of "base-ball" was broken windows during a time when glass was rare, treasured and expensive. Even more interestingly, McAfee then mentions a German book, published in 1796, that refers to "English base ball" - not rounders or one-cat or stoolball. So, you see, you T-ball parents? You're passing a grand old game to your kids this spring. But there's lots more to the story. Call the writer at 410-332-6525 or send e-mail about anything to do with amateur sports in Howard County, lowell.sunderland@baltsun.com. Copyright =A9 2005, The Baltimore Sun ================= To: Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 08:12:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Calling all computer experts My system (Windows XP Home) is getting slower and slower. As soon as I loginto my account, 45 processes are running. Short of doing a Google searchon each one is there some kind of utility I could run to tell me what my computer is running in the background? ================= To: "'Chuck Paris'" , Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 09:42:49 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling all computer experts My guess is you have Adware or spyware. I'd also guess you have kids who use AIM and play /download games on the computer. Here's what I'd suggest. 1. I'm assuming you have anti-virus software, if not get some right away, make sure you have the latest virus definition file and do a full system scan 2. Install an Adware remover program and run a full scan 3. Install a spyware remover program and run a full scan For #2 and 3 I recommend Ad-aware and Spybot. Both can be downloaded at http://www.tucows.com/top_program_1565.html You should do a reboot between each step and you may need to do a reboot during each scan. Sometimes you need to do a scan two (or even three) times, with a reboot in-between to get things properly cleaned up. You may also want to install a firewall. I use Sygate (also on tucows) on the family computer. Good Luck! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Paris Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 8:12 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling all computer experts My system (Windows XP Home) is getting slower and slower. As soon as I log into my account, 45 processes are running. Short of doing a Google search on each one is there some kind of utility I could run to tell me what my computer is running in the background? Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:48:17 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Subject: NCAA Media Guides I have a friend in Olean New York who has been saving the NCAA media guides that have been sent to him over the last 20 years or so. These are basically brand new. Many schools reprsented in baseball and either football or basketball. Is anyone interested in these? Do they have any value? He would like to sell them all, if they have some value. If they have no value, he will probably throw them away. If anyone is interested, LMK. BTW, he is baseball card collector, so he may take cardboard in exchange. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:47:15 EDT To: chuckparis@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling all computer experts : i found a web site where you can enter every command that is checked in the atrtup menu, and it can tell you if you need it or not. its time consuming as you have to enter one at a time, but it helped me out tremendously. sounds like you have a lot of spywayre and other unnecesary stuff running. the site is _http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php_ (http://www.sysinfo.org/startuplist.php) ================= To: tldietrick@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 14:05:12 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NCAA Media Guides Terry, I've had a little success at selling those kinds of things on ebay. Not likely big bucks, but they probably would find buyers. Good luck! On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 06:48:17 -0700 (PDT) Terry Dietrick writes: I have a friend in Olean New York who has been saving the NCAA media guides that have been sent to him over the last 20 years or so. These are basically brand new. Many schools reprsented in baseball and either football or basketball. Is anyone interested in these? Do they have any value? He would like to sell them all, if they have some value. If they have no value, he will probably throw them away. If anyone is interested, LMK. BTW, he is baseball card collector, so he may take cardboard in Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:27:58 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jfsilva@aol.com Subject: Email address change I have moved from AOL to comcast so please change my address to ================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 11:03:47 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: APRIL OFFERINGS...waiver wire hello all Up for grabbs are the following 1955 bowman 220 56 topps 27(white) and 38 (gray) 59 t 412 62 t 84/98 63 t 192/193/195 65 topps 37/95/105/144/939 66t 8/43/53/68/69/102/103/162/199/201/ 67t 15/59/62/71/75/223/288 68t 63/122/224/265/286/356 ================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 08:32:45 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: LI Ducks Sign Donovan Osborne, John Rocker & 11 other former MLB guys! Hi all ( including VCT), I live very close to this stadium if anyone wants me to pick them up anything. I also have some memorabilia including the inaugural yearbook, mags, cups,tickets (used or unused) stuff like; that if anyone wants anything let me know. Dan Angland Article about Osborne is attached below (VCT removes attachments). Go to the site & sign up for free email updates: http://www.LIDucks.com . They are currently in FLA but their reg season starts 4-28. Their home park is in Long Island NY (in case the LI part was a mystery to you). I did email the PR dept & was told, as usual, they WILL be coming out with a team issued card set. I can't remember the other 11 guys right now but I'm sure you can find them on the home page (8 of 13 are pitchers). No truth to the rumor that Rob Dibble and Nick Esasky (2 of my all-time favs!) are on the roster :-) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! ================= Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 20:48:34 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, card-variations@yahoogroups.co From: directorth@aol.com Subject: 72 variation scan request Hi all, According to my list of 1972 Topps baseball variations, #478 (checklist) has two variations: a small-print & a larger print. Try as I might, I can't seem to find a large-print, so if anyone has both of these, could I get a scan of the two variations side-by-side so I know what I'm looking for? Tom Housley ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 10:46:45 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: SET COMPLETED!!!! - Thanks from Glasgow Thanks out today to Steve Rittenberg for once again achieving “HERO” status. A 1972 #703 Doug Griffin finally puts paid to the psychos! This was one of the sets that I still had some cards from when I decided to start collecting again in the late 1980s. Bear in mind that most of my cards were left Stateside when my family moved over to Scotland in 1973. That card completes a run from 1968 to 1978 for me. This would not have been possible had I not discovered OBC. Thanks to Steve for the last card, but thanks to all the rest of you who helped me out along the way. Steve also acted as my wing man on a dealer purchase, taking delivery of some cards that I bought on Naxcom, and forwarding them on to me. The cards made a considerable dent in my 1964, 1965, and 1966 sets. Oh, and incidentally he also threw in another 3 cards for the Bobby Thomson collection. Two of them are newer issues, but I can’t identify the third. It ’s been cut out of something, and looks a bit like a Bazooka. Steve? Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OCT" , Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 09:04:20 -0600 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: Out of Town A quick note to let everyone know that I will be leaving town today to meet with a specialist in St. Louis later this afternoon. He will hopefully be able to preform what is supposed to be the final procedure and things should start getting back to normal again. I don't have details or dates yet, but most likely I'll be at Missouri Baptist or Barnes Hospital for the procedure which I hope will take place on Wed. We will have full details after today's meeting with the surgeon. I miss you guys and hope to be back soon. Take Care All, ================= Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 17:13:47 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Relocation I'll be spending the next two weeks relocating so I apologize in advance if I don't get back to your emails. Jeff D. ================= To: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 07:48:35 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: old equipment does anyone have any old gloves- the kind that have fingers not laced together or old bats- the odd looking type? for trade? lmk, kit okamuro. thanks ================= To: Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 17:24:30 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] old equipment Howard has some old equipment...not sure if he has any baseball stuff-related Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: KIT OKAMURO To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] old equipment does anyone have any old gloves- the kind that have fingers not laced together or old bats- the odd looking type? for trade? lmk, kit okamuro. thanks Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 20:12:51 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: take a look at this Now wouldn't this be a gas! Heard about it on the radio on my drive home today--sports guy had the HOF President on as a guest. http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/fantasycamps/default.htm ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 21:54:11 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Fort Washington Who is going to the big 3 day show in Fort Washington this weekend? If you are going to be there, let me know so I can try to pull some cards for you. ================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 14:29:25 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: waiver wire ###2 these guys need homes ROB odd balls 1980 tcma #130 joe judge not sure of the year Bell brand chips LA dodgers #1 norm laker 61 post #155 now for the reg topps line 1971 topps 474/463/383/307/138/94 69 topps 388/264/261/252/247/217/214/176 68 topps 66 topps 65 topps 411/403/390/295/268/232/221/119/13 63 topps 6 62 topps 355/84/36/16 60 topps 362/357/252X2/238/226/177/119/75/52/48/36 59 topps 414/394/ trimmed hank folles not sure the # 56 topps trimmed 82 ================= Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:25:15 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] take a look at this Peter and all- For something a bit more in a reasonable price range, anyone in the Northeast should consider Doubleday Farm. We go there yearly for a Children's Miracle Network fundraiser, and are playing a doubleheader this year with Al Bumbry. Last year I played CF when Fergie Jenkins played in RF. It's a load of fun, and affordable (I think we pay $100 to play and that is the fundraiser price). Here is the website: http://www.doubledayfarm.com/ > Now wouldn't this be a gas! Heard about it on the radio on my drive home > today--sports guy had the HOF President on as a guest. > http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/fantasycamps/default.htm > Peter ================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 04:53:21 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman Subject: 49'S & 57'S i'm collecting 49 bowmans and 57 topps among others. since on am concentrating on these sets, i have some to trade. Anyone interested in trading for 49's or 57's, let me know. john storman Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:35:45 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: waiver wire Some real odds and ends. I will attempt to get something to anyone who puts in a claim. Some rough RedMan: 1953 # 6 AL Jackie Jensen 1954 #23 NL Ed Mathews w/tab--but paper loss in bio 1959 Topps 78, 164 1961 Post 56 1962 Post Canadian (with post logo cut out) 196 1961 Topps OBC condition--6, 17, 71, 76, 105, 176, 216, 236, 251, 261 1960 Leaf 45 1969 story book #9 1970 poster #9 1970 Topps supers 30 and 41 1972 Topps 130 Bob Gibson (lots of creases) Have at them peter mead ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 09:32:34 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Anyone need/want a 1962 Aaron Exhibit? I bought what was advertised as a 1963 Aaron Exhibit Statback for $7.46 on ebay. It turned out to be a 1962 Stat back which I don't need. I thought the price was pretty good. The 2004 SCD Catalog has the card at $7.50 in VG and $12 in Ex. The card is somewhere in between. If someone wants it for $7.46, let me know. Otherwise I'll send it back to the seller for a refund. George Vrechek ebay Item: #5185799831, link below http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd1&item5185799831&ssPageNameSTRK:MEWA:IT ================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:06:44 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: address list Can someone please send me a current address list. ================= Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 21:26:52 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: help wanted Hello fellow carboardians, I am concentrating on some later year oddballs for my type card set and I was hoping that you might take a gander and see if you might not have a hit or two laying around. Condition is not a big issue. Thanks for taking a look. Bob Bannon 1980 W UNC VALLEY NATIONAL BANK 1980 W UNC WBTV 1980 F UNC PEPSI COLA 1980 PC UNC SERTOMA 1980 W UNC SYRACUSE CHIEFS 1980 R UNC LAUGHLIN 1980 W UNC LOVELESS 1980 PC 752-20 MITOCK & SONS 1980 W UNC OKLAHOMA CITY '89ERS 1980 W UNC EXHIBIT SUPPLY CO. 1980 R UNC FLEER 1980 W UNC INDIANAPOLIS INDIANS 1980 W UNC JACK IN THE BOX 1980 W UNC CHONG 1980 W UNC (POLICE/SAFETY) 1980 PC 790-28 BALTIMORE ORIOLES 1979 W UNC UNIVERSITY VW 1979 W UNC VALLEY NATIONAL BANK 1979 W UNC RED BARN 1979 R UNC LAUGHLIN 1979 PC 752-19 MITOCK & SONS 1979 W UNC OKLAHOMA CITY '89ERS 1979 W UNC CHONG 1979 W UNC CRAMER 1979 R 418-UNC? FLEER 1978 W UNC TIEFEL & ASSOCIATES 1978 W UNC TOMMY NOBIS 1978 O UNC PETE CHOCOLATE DRINK 1978 W UNC PUGET SOUND NAT'L BANK 1978 H UNC MSA BASEBALL DISCS 1978 W UNC OKLAHOMA CITY '89ERS 1978 W UNC MINNESOTA TWINS 1978 PC 752-18 MITOCK & SONS 1978 W UNC MR. CHEF'S 1978 W UNC INDIANAPOLIS INDIANS 1978 W UNC JJH 1978 H UNC FAMILY FUN CENTER 1978 R 418-UNC? FLEER 1978 W UNC GENEVA CUBS 1978 H UNC H.G. TOYS 1978 F UNC BURGER KING 1978 W UNC CHONG 1978 PC 791-5 CLEVELAND INDIANS 1978 F UNC COCA COLA 1978 W UNC CRAMER 1977 W UNC VALLEY NATIONAL BANK 1978 PC 790-26 BALTIMORE ORIOLES 1978 W UNC BRITLING CAFETERIAS 1977 F UNC SHAKEY'S PIZZA 1977 W UNC SSPC 1977 W UNC SUSSMAN 1977 F UNC REDPATH SUGAR 1977 W UNC SAN DIEGO PADRES 1977 O UNC PIZZA HUT 1977 O UNC QUAKER OATS 1977 R UNC LAUGHLIN 1977 W UNC McCALLUM'S 1977 W UNC McCURDY'S 1977 PC 752-17 MITOCK & SONS 1977 W UNC MR. CHEF'S 1977 W UNC INDIANAPOLIS INDIANS 1977 F 410-5 JEWEL FOODS 1977 W UNC COCA COLA 1977 W UNC CRAMER 1977 O UNC DAD'S ROOT BEER 1977 W UNC DAIRY QUEEN 1977 W UNC DANIEL'S 1977 W UNC DOUGLASS 1977 R 418-UNC? FLEER 1977 PC 790-25 BALTIMORE ORIOLES 1977 F UNC BURGER KING 1977 W UNC CALIFORNIA ANGELS 1977 W UNC CARUSO 1977 W UNC CHONG 1977 PC 791-4 CLEVELAND INDIANS 1976 W UNC TUSCON TOROS 1976 W UNC VALLEY NATIONAL BANK 1976 UO UNC STAR MARKET 1976 W UNC SUSSMAN 1976 W UNC TACOMA DAIRY QUEEN 1976 W UNC TCMA 1976 W UNC TOP TROPHIES 1976 O UNC PHILADELPHIA PHILLIES 1976 M UNC PLAYBOY PRESS 1976 H UNC RAWLINGS 1976 R UNC LAUGHLIN 1976 W UNC LINNETT 1976 H UNC MAGNAVOX 1976 PC 752-16 MITOCK & SONS 1976 UM UNC MOTOROLA 1976 O UNC MSA 1976 F UNC KENTUCKY FRIED CHICKEN 1976 PC UNC KIER PHOTO SERVICE 1976 W UNC KNOWLTON 1976 R 418-UNC FLEER 1976 R UNC FUNKY SALES CORP. 1976 W UNC GOOF'S PANTS PLACE 1976 H UNC GREYHOUND 1976 W UNC COCA COLA 1976 W UNC CRAMER 1976 W UNC DAIRY QUEEN 1976 W UNC DOUGLASS 1976 F UNC ENGLISH'S CHICKEN 1976 F UNC BURGER CHEF 1976 W UNC CAESAR'S 1976 W UNC CALIFORNIA ANGELS 1976 H UNC CALIFORNIA PACIFIC BANK 1976 W UNC CARUSO 1976 PC 791-3 CLEVELAND INDIANS 1976 F UNC A & P 1976 PC 790-24 BALTIMORE ORIOLES 1976 W UNC BATAVIA TROJANS 1976 W 705-15 BOSTON RED SOX 1976 H UNC 7-11 Thanks for taking a look, Bob Bannon