================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 10:18:39 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: Tiger Dave I sure hope to make the Portland Show that Tiger Dave is putting together=85.I had better, because he has roped me into helping set it up. Dave would also like to put every OBC=92er who attends to work at the show=85tasks like running a 50/50 draw, or escorting an autograph guest, Basically it is being run as non-profit=85.every nickel made will be going to a scholarship fund for Concordia University. Another typical shrewd Rainsley investment=85.ends up costing me money. Dave is shopping for Hotel rates right now and would like to block some rooms to be held for out of towners. He says the Best Western is only about 5 minutes away. So=85.if you intend to go and want a room booked, or even if you just HOPE to go, please let me know so I can get an idea how many rooms we need to block. Dave said there hasn=92t been a major show in Portland for years, and he=92s pretty pumped about this=85..hoping for 100 tables, with vintage, vintage, Have attached the first version of the advertising brochure=85.it will be changed to read =93Basketball Scholarship Fund=94=85.if you know any dealers who might want a table at 50 bucks a crack, please pass on my email address to them=85 Thanks gang! -----Original Message----- From: tigerdave [mailto:tigerdave@shaw.ca] Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 8:12 AM To: Grant Subject: Hi Grant Hi Grant. This is what I have come up for the 2-day show in Portland Oregon for a flyer. I think its going to be a great show. Certainly the kind of show OBC can support. Lots of good cards and a great cause. Some very needy boy will be getting a scholarship for University. Probably some black kid that would have no chance in life without it. This kind of makes everything we are doing worthwhile. I am running ads on ebay thru my auctions and on my ebay . So far the response has been good! I am going to put you and Mike in charge of setting up where the dealers go at the show. I am hoping for at least 100 tables. That is my goal. The gym is quite big so we can fit a lot of people in the Talk to you soon. tigerdaveobc No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/116 - Release Date: ================= Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 13:50:18 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: availables Hello all, I have a list of cards that are in dire need of a new home. Please email me if you want them. 1954 topps #31 1955 bowman #115/186 1956 Topps #27 1958 Topps # 278 1959 Topps #414 1960 Topps # 238 1962 Topps #36/84 1965 Topps #'s 143/151/307 1966 topps#s 12/25/38/44/53/75/113/140/151/152/153/155/163/180 1967 topps#s 15/71/89/97 Claim them.... ROB Gioia ================= To: Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 20:41:21 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Wantlist Posting Problems?? OBCers -- Is anyone else having problems posting their wantlist to the homepage? I put in my name and password, but instead of the normal window that comes up to edit the list, I just get the "Submit Query" button to click on. I'm afraid to click on it since I may end up with an empty wantlist. Is anybody else getting this or is it just me?? ================= To: , Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 16:41:44 -0400 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Posting Problems?? I've been unable to update my want list for the last couple of days also. ----- Original Message ----- From: "geno.wagner" To: Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 3:41 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Posting Problems?? > OBCers -- > Is anyone else having problems posting their wantlist to the homepage? I > put in my name and password, but instead of the normal window that comes > up > to edit the list, I just get the "Submit Query" button to click on. I'm > afraid to click on it since I may end up with an empty wantlist. Is > anybody > else getting this or is it just me?? > Thanks! > Geno > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 17:08:18 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Posting Problems?? i get a blank page ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 01:30:44 +0000 From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: update from the Granite State (including a set completion) As many of you know (and for those of you who don't) I have been going through an increasingly ugly and seemingly never-ending divorce for the last 2.5 years. All I have wanted to do it get on with my life but others involved (the other party, lawyers, court bureaucracy, etc.) seem intent on keeping me in limbo. You ever get a card that if you hold it up to the light you can almost see right through it because its so thin? Think of that card as my patience and you'll have a pretty good idea where I'm at. I will say that after what I've been through (and continue to go through) I have absolutely no desire to marry again. To me, it's just not worth the risk Otherwise I've been well, enjoying my day-to-day freedoms as a single guy. I now play in a pool league some Mondays, play cribbage every Wednesday and will be playing hoops every Saturday. This summer I had my best golf season in years and in fact will be heading to Myrtle Beach, SC this Thursday for a week of golf. This summer also included hiking, the beach, some concerts, some good poker and many parties :-) Early last year, I completed my 1909 Obak series with an ebay purchase. I have been working on the entire T212 Obak set since 1990-ish and completing the 1909 series was a joyous occasion as it is the toughest base series to collect. Shortly after I got the card I decided to put my entire pre-war collection into storage. Upon visiting my collection some weeks later I discovered my last 1909 Obak was missing! The only explanation for this is that I lost it during transit as the storage is secure. Frankly, this plus the aforementioned personal difficulty took the winds out of my collecting sails. Every time I though of my beloved Obaks I got this little pit in my stomach because I lost that card. Like I couldn't have lost some 1972 Topps common? At least this part of the story has a happy ending as I got the last one I needed (again) in this week's mail. All I have to do is keep track of it until I get it with the rest of them and then I'll breathe a hugh sigh of relief. At some point, I will once again post my wantlist link on the OBC directory. That point will likely coincide with my divorce being finalized. I have my dupes boxes ready to go and will be getting some long overdue cards out just as soon as I have some free time...when I'm not writing about myself ;-) It's still an honor and a pleasure to serve on the OBCAC. I'm always here if you have any suggestions or concerns in that regard. If you have made it this far, thanks for taking the time to read my Babylon ("babble on"). And thanks to everyone for their support of my situation. Happy Collecting! ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 16:47:53 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Ken Goetsch-Whereabouts Just a short note to tell all that Ken Goetsch has not fallen off the face of the earth, but has been and still is in Watertown Memorial Hospital for 14 days now. He went in for a colonoscopy and it turned into major emergency surgery, plus complications. He is getting better, but it is going to bea long haul to recovery. Lisa Goetsch, daughter ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 19:02:06 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: 1960 Leaf availables Who needs 'em? 1960 Leaf 64, 59, 42, 21, 42, 24, 31, 33, 33, 19 (Newcombe), 52 (Dallas Green), 35, 50, 62. Preference to people with the shortest lists. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:24:40 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Brett Butler collection update What follows is a ramble about a player that did not play before our 1980 cutoff. He is my favorite ballplayer, and since this is a ramble, perhaps I'll be forgiven for breaking the date rule. Many of you may know that I am a Brett Butler collector, some I'm sure do not. At any rate, between Fan Favorites and Retired Signature Edition, Topps has issued 19 new Butlers this year. Prior to last year, when Fan Favorites yielded just two new Butlers, there hadn't been a Butler card issued since 1998. Nine of this year's cards are 1/1s, one of which I have managed to pick up. Of the 19 available, I have picked up 10 of them, including one Which brings me to the point of this post. Ebay can be a funny place. When Topps Retired Sigs came out, I quickly picked up the regular uncirculatedauto, which since it was a new product, I paid over $20. Next up was the /54 black parallel (not auto'd), which again went for over $20. Picked up the /500 gold parallel for next to nothing. Finally today's card. I'd been watching a /25 uncirculated auto refractor that ended a little while ago.Figured it'd go for around, or more than, the price of the regular auto. Um, wrong. Picked it up for a mere $5.24 + shipping. Sometimes I just don't get it. Finally, here's a synopsis of my collection. At present, I have 566 different Butler cards. This includes regular issues, rare parallels, autographs, oddballs, regional issues, printing errors, promos, game cards (APBA-typecards), printing plates, original slides that were used to make the actualcards, and other stuff. As I learn of a new card (which almost never happens anymore - I've done lots of research over the years), I throw it up on the list. The wantlist is getting pretty short - at present only 50 known Butlers exist that aren't in my collection. It's been a pretty fun chase. It beats collecting a superstar that has seemingly hundreds of cards issued every year. I'm one of those collectors that, when I have decided to go after something, am not satisfied until I have all of them. Collecting Butler allows a reasonable shot to eventually realize that quest. Thanks for reading - it's been fun writing a little about my Butler collection. ================= Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2005 22:45:30 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Waver wire #2 COme claim anything you want they need homes and i want to send them out to you guys and gals. Rob Gioia just email your address along with it 1954 topps # 11 Paul Smith 1955 Bowman # 124 Johnny Antonelli 1956 topps # 149 Millard Howell 1957 topps # 123 SteveRidzik 1958 topps #474 the immortal Roman Semproch 1959 topps # 183 stu miller 1962 topps #s 154/184/187/326/440 1963 topps #s 10/274/282 1966 toppd # 28 1968 topps 51/67/68/107/309 1969 topps #s 66/71/142/148/334/387/389/557 ================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:22:46 EDT To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Brett Butler collection update In a message dated 10/2/05 7:27:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dodgergeo@comcast.net writes: > What follows is a ramble about a player that did not play before our 1980 > cutoff. He is my favorite ballplayer, and since this is a ramble, perhaps > I'll be forgiven for breaking the date rule. > Many of you may know that I am a Brett Butler collector, some I'm sure do > not. At any rate, between Fan Favorites and Retired Signature Edition, Topps > has issued 19 new Butlers this year. Prior to last year, when Fan Favorites > yielded just two new Butlers, there hadn't been a Butler card issued since > 1998. Nine of this year's cards are 1/1s, one of which I have managed to pick > up. Of the 19 available, I have picked up 10 of them, including one tonight. > Which brings me to the point of this post. Ebay can be a funny place. When > Topps Retired Sigs came out, I quickly picked up the regular uncirculated > auto, which since it was a new product, I paid over $20. Next up was the /54 > black parallel (not auto'd), which again went for over $20. Picked up the > /500 gold parallel for next to nothing. Finally today's card. I'd been > watching a /25 uncirculated auto refractor that ended a little while ago. Figured > it'd go for around, or more than, the price of the regular auto. Um, wrong. > Picked it up for a mere $5.24 + shipping. Sometimes I just don't get it. > Finally, here's a synopsis of my collection. At present, I have 566 > different Butler cards. This includes regular issues, rare parallels, autographs, > oddballs, regional issues, printing errors, promos, game cards (APBA-type > cards), printing plates, original slides that were used to make the actual cards, > and other stuff. As I learn of a new card (which almost never happens > anymore - I've done lots of research over the years), I throw it up on the list. > The wantlist is getting pretty short - at present only 50 known Butlers exist > that aren't in my collection. > It's been a pretty fun chase. It beats collecting a superstar that has > seemingly hundreds of cards issued every year. I'm one of those collectors that, > when I have decided to go after something, am not satisfied until I have all > of them. Collecting Butler allows a reasonable shot to eventually realize > that quest. > Thanks for reading - it's been fun writing a little about my Butler > collection. > Geordie I saw this collection a few years back and was very impressed. I thought about doing this with Bob Boone but just decided to concentrate on phillies pre-1989. This is what I love about OBC and card collecting. There really is something for everyone. ================= Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:27:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: Tribe fan lament As a lifelong Indians fan, all I can say is "ARRRGGGGHHHHHH." This was truly painful, they snatched defeat from the arms of victory in a most distressing fashion. In the last week, they lost 6 of 7, and 5 were by one run. Each game, there was a single play that killed us - lost fly ball in the sun, ball bounced off the plate, etc., etc., etc. The real pity is that the national fans never got a chance to see this team. They would have become the media darlings. The team had: 1) A DH (Hafner) who looks like Shrek, who they call Pronk, and who can hit the ball 11 miles on occasion; 2) A fat little second baseman (Belliard) who plays his position a few steps in front of the right fielder, and makes it look like that was the right idea all along. 3)A left fielder (Coco Crisp) named after cereal. This guy was never a prospect, but he will be a big leaguer for a long time. 4) A center fielder (Sizemore) who looks 14, goes 100% every play, and has all the girls (and women) wearing shirts saying "Mrs. 5) A fat closer (Wickman)who looks like he should be the guy coming to your house to fix the water heater - but still saved 40. 6) Another fat pitcher (Sabathia) who thinks he should be hitting - and he may be right. I'm thinking that maybe you haven't heard the last from this group. ================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 11:58:07 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, dodgergeo@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Brett Butler collection update I may be wrong, but doesn't HOM players and collections cover this type of ================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:17:33 EDT To: malsman250@neo.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tribe fan lament Try being a Phillies fan...the Cubs killed me... ================= To: Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:33:31 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Snappy salutes all around!! OBCers -- The Air Force has overlooked my tendency to support losing sports teams and seen fit to promote me! I found out today that I'll now be Lt. Colonel Wagner in the near future. I think I joined OBC as a 1st Lt, long, long Take Care, Geno ================= To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:43:24 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! Gongratulations Geno! To be honest I figured you were already a general or admiral or whatever the big important guy in the Air Force is called. Good Luck! Bob "never made it past Cub Scout 1st Class" Donaldson Original Message: From: geno.wagner geno.wagner@ntlworld.com Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:33:31 +0100 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! OBCers -- The Air Force has overlooked my tendency to support losing sports teams and seen fit to promote me! I found out today that I'll now be Lt. Colonel Wagner in the near future. I think I joined OBC as a 1st Lt, long, long Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Links mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 12:29:17 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, malsman250@neo.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tribe fan lament In a message dated 10/3/2005 11:25:27 AM Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: Try being a Phillies fan...the Cubs killed me... what a proud day for chicagoans that we could disappoint two other teams on the same day! ================= To: "'Geordie Calvert'" , Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:45:56 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Brett Butler collection update Very impressive, but do you have the Washington variation? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geordie Calvert Sent: 03 October 2005 02:25 To: Ramblings (OBC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Brett Butler collection update What follows is a ramble about a player that did not play before our 1980 cutoff. He is my favorite ballplayer, and since this is a ramble, perhaps I'll be forgiven for breaking the date rule. Many of you may know that I am a Brett Butler collector, some I'm sure do not. At any rate, between Fan Favorites and Retired Signature Edition, Topps has issued 19 new Butlers this year. Prior to last year, when Fan Favorites yielded just two new Butlers, there hadn't been a Butler card issued since 1998. Nine of this year's cards are 1/1s, one of which I have managed to pick up. Of the 19 available, I have picked up 10 of them, including one tonight. Which brings me to the point of this post. Ebay can be a funny place. When Topps Retired Sigs came out, I quickly picked up the regular uncirculated auto, which since it was a new product, I paid over $20. Next up was the /54 black parallel (not auto'd), which again went for over $20. Picked up the /500 gold parallel for next to nothing. Finally today's card. I'd been watching a /25 uncirculated auto refractor that ended a little while ago. Figured it'd go for around, or more than, the price of the regular auto. Um, wrong. Picked it up for a mere $5.24 + shipping. Sometimes I just don't get it. Finally, here's a synopsis of my collection. At present, I have 566 different Butler cards. This includes regular issues, rare parallels, autographs, oddballs, regional issues, printing errors, promos, game cards (APBA-type cards), printing plates, original slides that were used to make the actual cards, and other stuff. As I learn of a new card (which almost never happens anymore - I've done lots of research over the years), I throw it up on the list. The wantlist is getting pretty short - at present only 50 known Butlers exist that aren't in my collection. It's been a pretty fun chase. It beats collecting a superstar that has seemingly hundreds of cards issued every year. I'm one of those collectors that, when I have decided to go after something, am not satisfied until I have all of them. Collecting Butler allows a reasonable shot to eventually realize that quest. Thanks for reading - it's been fun writing a little about my Butler YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 15:40:36 -0400 To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! Congratulations! I see that you are much more successful than your Cubbies. A short antecdote you would appreciate. Yesterday (Sunday), my son and I made the 500 mile round trip from Raleigh to DC to watch the Phillies beat the Nats. There were more Phillies fans in the stadium than Nat fans. We were all intently following the out of town scores. Every time we saw that the Cubs scored a run a huge cheer went up, regardless of what was happening on the field. Then, when the Cubs tied the score at 3 all you could hear at RFK was a resounding chant of "Lets Go Cubbies"--this during a Phillies/Wash game! See, Cub fans are everywhere! Alas, the Cubbies couldn't hold the lead. As it says on the seal to the city of Philadelphia--"Wait til next year". ----- Original Message ----- From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Date: Monday, October 3, 2005 12:43 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! > Gongratulations Geno! > To be honest I figured you were already a general or admiral or > whateverthe big important guy in the Air Force is called. > Good Luck! > Bob "never made it past Cub Scout 1st Class" Donaldson > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: geno.wagner geno.wagner@ntlworld.com > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:33:31 +0100 > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! > OBCers -- > The Air Force has overlooked my tendency to support losing sports > teams and > seen fit to promote me! I found out today that I'll now be Lt. > Colonel > Wagner in the near future. I think I joined OBC as a 1st Lt, > long, long > ago... > Take Care, Geno > Yahoo! Groups Links > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > - > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -------------------- > ~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your > home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/QBiolB/TM > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -~-> > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 22:38:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Chrismas exchange idea I remember last year that some didnt join the xmas exchange because of the name of Secret Santa because of their religious beliefs maybe we could change it to seasonal holiday exchange ================= Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 18:16:09 -0700 (PDT) To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! Congratulations, Colonel! You may be a sucker for losing sports teams, but as long as you do your part to make sure that the Air Force doesn't follow that path, then may you have your birds (hell, stars if you're interested in sticking around long enough!) in short order. > From: geno.wagner geno.wagner@ntlworld.com > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 17:33:31 +0100 > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Snappy salutes all around!! > OBCers -- > The Air Force has overlooked my tendency to support > losing sports teams and > seen fit to promote me! I found out today that I'll > now be Lt. Colonel > Wagner in the near future. I think I joined OBC as > a 1st Lt, long, long > ago... > Take Care, Geno > Yahoo! Groups Links > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: "Geordie Calvert" , "Ramblings (OBC)" Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 05:51:35 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Brett Butler collection update Your genuine passion for your Butler collection should remind us all that our hobby can be a simple sheer delight no matter when the cards were produced. Thanks for sharing with us your collecting story and reminding us of the simple joy our hobby can provide - BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- What follows is a ramble about a player that did not play before our 1980 cutoff. He is my favorite ballplayer, and since this is a ramble, perhaps I'll be forgiven for breaking the date rule. Many of you may know that I am a Brett Butler collector, some I'm sure do not. At any rate, between Fan Favorites and Retired Signature Edition, Topps has issued 19 new Butlers this year. Prior to last year, when Fan Favorites yielded just two new Butlers, there hadn't been a Butler card issued since 1998. Nine of this year's cards are 1/1s, one of which I have managed to pick up. Of the 19 available, I have picked up 10 of them, including one tonight. Which brings me to the point of this post. Ebay can be a funny place. When Topps Retired Sigs came out, I quickly picked up the regular uncirculated auto, which since it was a new product, I paid over $20. Next up was the /54 black parallel (not auto'd), which again went for over $20. Picked up the /500 gold parallel for next to nothing. Finally today's card. I'd been watching a /25 uncirculated auto refractor that ended a little while ago. Figured it'd go for around, or more than, the price of the regular auto. Um, wrong. Picked it up for a mere $5.24 + shipping. Sometimes I just don't get it. Finally, here's a synopsis of my collection. At present, I have 566 different Butler cards. This includes regular issues, rare parallels, autographs, oddballs, regional issues, printing errors, promos, game cards (APBA-type cards), printing plates, original slides that were used to make the actual cards, and other stuff. As I learn of a new card (which almost never happens anymore - I've done lots of research over the years), I throw it up on the list. The wantlist is getting pretty short - at present only 50 known Butlers exist that aren't in my collection. It's been a pretty fun chase. It beats collecting a superstar that has seemingly hundreds of cards issued every year. I'm one of those collectors that, when I have decided to go after something, am not satisfied until I have all of them. Collecting Butler allows a reasonable shot to eventually realize that quest. Thanks for reading - it's been fun writing a little about my Butler collection. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 07:01:20 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: where is Steve Hitzeman's list??? Hello all, Any body got Steve Hitzeman's want list or email address? I can't seem to find either - please help!!! REGARDS ---------------- MARK ================= Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 08:44:37 -0500 To: , , From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] where is Steve Hitzeman's list??? Sorry I haven't posted this yet! I'm trying to now! Steve Hitzeman Want list 3609 Bluebird Lane Bloomington, IN 1919 1021-plus:: Bill Wambsgannss "My great uncle" Any cards, E-cards and cards from the early 20's 1957 Topps Baseball 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 11-61 63-78 80-113 115-124 126-138 139-144 146-199 201 202 204 205 206 207 209 210 213-239 241-244 246 248-255 257-285 287-327 329-374 376-406 1959 Topps Baseball 10 15 22 52 60 69 90 99 118 123 133 134 136 137 162 163 193 202 204 212 231 271 273 278 295 304 317 319 334 350 389 390 419 423 457 461 463 466 509 510 532 536 539 548 553 559 564 569 1960 Topps Baseball 160 200 250 282 283 300 304 305 316 340 350 352 365 377 385 395 406 408 419 440 442 508 509 510 512 513 515 516 517 518 520 521 522 523 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 551 553 554 555 556 558 559 560 561 563 564 565 566 569 570 572 1961 Topps Baseball 8 44 45 68 80 89 141 150 180 225 280 300 307 371 385 388 394 396 398 400 405 406 407 408 417 421 425 426 430 442 443 446 449 450 461 467 468 472 475 476 478 489 491 494 495 498 500 505 507 509 511 512 515 518 519 523 532 534 536 537 541 543 546 548 550 554 557 562 563 564 565 569 571 573 575 577 578 582 584 585 587 588 1962 Topps Baseball 30 52 60 70 85 100 140 142 167 190 200 224 246 248 269 288 289 290 291 293 299 300 301 306 307 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 321 323 325 328 331 337 341 342 343 352 366 368 370 371 374 379 380 381 386 391 392 398 399 400 403 405 407 408 411 415 416 419 421 424 425 426 428 429 430 438 440 450 453 454 455 456 459 461 465 466 467 471 472 474 475 477 479 482 486 487 488 491 493 494 495 496 497 499 500 501 502 503 505 507 509 510 511 513 515 516 518 520 522 523 524 525 526 530 532 533 534 536 538 539 540 543 544 545 546 549 552 553 554 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 569 570 572 573 575 577 578 579 580 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 1971 Topps Baseball 5 20 100 160 180 250 398 400 513 525 530 544 550 559 600 625 630 640 646 650 651 652 653 654 659 660 661 662 664 665 669 671 672 673 677 688 689 992 694 695 698 700 709 723 724 727 731 751 1972 Topps Baseball 37 285 310 410 420 426 434 435 436 438 445 446 447 457 490 550 559 560 566 582 621 623 624 626 651 662 670 677 688 695 696 717 719 726 739 763 1973 Topps Baseball 50 130 213 220 264 305 410 473 474 479 529 530 535 540 543 554 556 559 566 569-572 574 576 582 587 588 590 592 593 596 601-606 610 611 613 614 615 617 620 630 634 639 641 642 646 647 650 657 1974 Topps Baseball 4 5 6 201 251 300 336 1955 Topps All-American Football 81 1957 Topps 1 3 8 9 10 12 17 18 23 25 27 28 31 33 34 36 40 41 44 47 50 52 54 55 59 62 64 68 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 83 85 87 88 90 91 93 94 96 99 102 103 104 105 109 110 112 114 115 116 118 119 121 123 125 127 131 132 134 135 136 142 145 147 148 150 151 154 155 From: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of talbot1@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 2:01 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] where is Steve Hitzeman's list??? Hello all, Any body got Steve Hitzeman's want list or email address? I can't seem to find either - please help!!! REGARDS ---------------- MARK SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: 4 Oct 2005 17:57:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: New 2006 SCD catalog I just got my new SCD catalog for 2006 and the prices for prewar material, in general, have gone through the roof. Granted, the SCD catalog is just a guide but the market for the really old stuff has really taken off. I'm glad I got started when I did, as some sets are not only expensive but almost impossible to find at an affordable price. I'd like to hear some of your responses to this apparent shift in collecting focus. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:21:38 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New 2006 SCD catalog Bama -- On the Network 54 Board, there was a lot of talk about how the old sets are being replaced by new sets. Here's Bob Lemke's response to the multitude of comments/complaints (granted, they are from hard-core pre-war guys!): Thanks for your inquiries October 2 2005, 1:42 PM Here's what I can tell you about the concerns raised . . . As far as I can see into the future, the Standard Catalog will never be broken up into more than one volume. The VAST majority of these books are purchased at chain book retailers and on Amazon. Surveys show those buyers demand full coverage right up to the current year and that most would rather see vintage pages deleted than the shiny stuff. Anecdotal evidence says many of these sales are to gift-buyers who are far more likely to recognize Barry Bonds than Grover Alexander. Our book salespeople in the field says the big chain buyers believe the baseball card hobby to be dead or dying and thus they are unwilling to take a chance on shelf space for a new title that would be a subset of what is in the Standard Catalog. As much as I love all y'all on this forum, even if we were to each buy five copies every year, we'd still be a small minority of the market for the Standard Catalog. What pre-war sets have been eliminated for 2006? I can't think of any general category, or even many specific sets. We did down-size the 1921-1930 Major League Die-Cuts and J.D. McCarthy postcards and Jay Publishing picture packs by eliminating the checklists. On the positive side, it has become apparent that the book's page count is not an overwhelming factor in printing costs; thus we can afford to add pages each year for a while, especially now that some of the current card companies have ceased production or cut back the number of new sets. Updated memorabilia guide? Not on the schedule. Sales don't fit the parameters of our new ownership. CD Rom, on-line or PDA format in works? No. Although our new president has a strong history of multi-media adaptations and I'm sure this is being studied closely across all our titles. Why no Peck & Snyders? Last edition we made the decision to eliminate most "team" cards. Exceptions were made for those with strong association to other issues, such as T200 Fatimas and Kalamazoo Bats and for the Joseph Hall cabinets. Peck & Snyders could easily be returned to the pages and I'll make a strong effort to do so next year. Wrong backs vs. variations? These are judgement calls, based partially as suggested on the number of examples in the marketplace and the hobby's acceptance. We've added many vintage variations in the new book and will continue to do so, though I am at a loss to identify how or why a particular card makes the cut. Why not bunch "commons" to shorten checklists? Again, this is contraindicated by buyer surveys as it pertains to current and recent cards. The bottom line is that if the Standard Catalog is to survive, it must appeal to an audience that is decidedly different than the composition of this forum. If the markets (book and card) change, I expect the catalog will, too. Thanks, all, for your questions, comments and concerns. Keep them Oh, yeah, almost forgot . . . we "found" the correct chronological index and I'm looking into getting it posted on our website for reference or ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New 2006 SCD catalog >I just got my new SCD catalog for 2006 and the prices for prewar material, > in general, have gone through the roof. Granted, the SCD catalog is just > a > guide but the market for the really old stuff has really taken off. I'm > glad I got started when I did, as some sets are not only expensive but > almost impossible to find at an affordable price. I'd like to hear some > of > your responses to this apparent shift in collecting focus. > Bama > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: 4 Oct 2005 20:46:45 -0000 To: "geno.wagner" , , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New 2006 SCD catalog I read the VBCF stuff as well. I think my point was not that the majority of collectors now prefer old stuff to new stuff, but that the market for old stuff has apparently gotten significantly better. I can personally vouch for this trend based on the availability of material for sets like Tattoo Orbit (R305), 1941 Goudey, 1938 Goudey, World Wide Gum issues, Sport Kings, Tobacco issues and more. Even beat up material for many sets is fought over like chicken legs at a church picnic. Beckett tried a vintage only price guide and it flopped. There's just not enough monthly movement in the market to support such a mag, so SCD probably will always be a combined guide with old and new stuff. In one sense the higher-priced market is good as it means there will likely be more stuff on the market, but it also means that prices for the old stuff will continue to go up (not good for my pocketbook). Finally, to end my ramble, I have a 2004 SCD up for grabs. FCFS ------------- Original message follows ------------- Bama -- On the Network 54 Board, there was a lot of talk about how the old sets are being replaced by new sets. Here's Bob Lemke's response to the multitude of comments/complaints (granted, they are from hard-core pre-war guys!): Thanks for your inquiries October 2 2005, 1:42 PM Here's what I can tell you about the concerns raised . . . As far as I can see into the future, the Standard Catalog will never be broken up into more than one volume. The VAST majority of these books are purchased at chain book retailers and on Amazon. Surveys show those buyers demand full coverage right up to the current year and that most would rather see vintage pages deleted than the shiny stuff. Anecdotal evidence says many of these sales are to gift-buyers who are far more likely to recognize Barry Bonds than Grover Alexander. Our book salespeople in the field says the big chain buyers believe the baseball card hobby to be dead or dying and thus they are unwilling to take a chance on shelf space for a new title that would be a subset of what is in the Standard Catalog. As much as I love all y'all on this forum, even if we were to each buy five copies every year, we'd still be a small minority of the market for the Standard Catalog. What pre-war sets have been eliminated for 2006? I can't think of any general category, or even many specific sets. We did down-size the 1921-1930 Major League Die-Cuts and J.D. McCarthy postcards and Jay Publishing picture packs by eliminating the checklists. On the positive side, it has become apparent that the book's page count is not an overwhelming factor in printing costs; thus we can afford to add pages each year for a while, especially now that some of the current card companies have ceased production or cut back the number of new sets. Updated memorabilia guide? Not on the schedule. Sales don't fit the parameters of our new ownership. CD Rom, on-line or PDA format in works? No. Although our new president has a strong history of multi-media adaptations and I'm sure this is being studied closely across all our titles. Why no Peck & Snyders? Last edition we made the decision to eliminate most "team" cards. Exceptions were made for those with strong association to other issues, such as T200 Fatimas and Kalamazoo Bats and for the Joseph Hall cabinets. Peck & Snyders could easily be returned to the pages and I'll make a strong effort to do so next year. Wrong backs vs. variations? These are judgement calls, based partially as suggested on the number of examples in the marketplace and the hobby's acceptance. We've added many vintage variations in the new book and will continue to do so, though I am at a loss to identify how or why a particular card makes the cut. Why not bunch "commons" to shorten checklists? Again, this is contraindicated by buyer surveys as it pertains to current and recent cards. The bottom line is that if the Standard Catalog is to survive, it must appeal to an audience that is decidedly different than the composition of this forum. If the markets (book and card) change, I expect the catalog will, too. Thanks, all, for your questions, comments and concerns. Keep them Oh, yeah, almost forgot . . . we "found" the correct chronological index and I'm looking into getting it posted on our website for reference or ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 6:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New 2006 SCD catalog >I just got my new SCD catalog for 2006 and the prices for prewar material, > in general, have gone through the roof. Granted, the SCD catalog is just > a > guide but the market for the really old stuff has really taken off. I'm > glad I got started when I did, as some sets are not only expensive but > almost impossible to find at an affordable price. I'd like to hear some > of > your responses to this apparent shift in collecting focus. > Bama > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 21:36:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob D'Angelo" Subject: My doubles list is up ... have a look Hi gang, I finally put together a page that lists my doubles. They range in years from 1956 to the present, and include baseball, football and even basketball. If you need something, give me a holler; I need to clear out some space. Doesn't matter if you don't have anything in return; that all evens out in the long run. Here is the link: http://hometown.aol.com/bdangelo/myhomepage/collection.html Have at it! ================= Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Subject: Advice desparately sought. I think I have been had on ebay. Hello All, I recently purchased an Aaron rookie on ebay. It arrived today and I am pretty certain it is a fake. It feels too thick, to stiff, the edges feel to sharp and the gloss appears all wrong. If I had to guess I would think that the card was created by a real nice color copier. The guy I bought it from responded to my email that the card was a fake by asking how I could be sure it was a fake. He is insisting it is real. How should I proceed with this guy ? have any of you had any similar experiences ? Here is the auction url. I don't know if the picture will still be there. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5245315035&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 thanks alot. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ================= To: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:17:27 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Help on Ultra-Pro Sheets OBCers -- Does anyone live close to a shop that can pick me up a box of standard 9-pocket Ultra-Pro sheets? I've checked Ebay and it seems like every auction either ships UPS (which doesn't deliver to FPO military boxes), or they just say no FPO, APO (probably for the same reason). If someone wants to volunteer, you would have to ship them via US Postal Service. I'll pay you back by check, Paypal, cardboard, beads, whatever. It's just too cost prohibitive to send them straight to my house. I only get my military mail about once a month, but that's fine for these! Take Care, Geno ================= To: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:13:26 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help on Ultra-Pro Sheets Mark Talbot has answered the call for a trans-Atlantic shipment!! Thanks, ----- Original Message ----- From: "geno.wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help on Ultra-Pro Sheets > OBCers -- > Does anyone live close to a shop that can pick me up a box of standard > 9-pocket Ultra-Pro sheets? I've checked Ebay and it seems like every > auction either ships UPS (which doesn't deliver to FPO military boxes), or > they just say no FPO, APO (probably for the same reason). If someone > wants > to volunteer, you would have to ship them via US Postal Service. I'll pay > you back by check, Paypal, cardboard, beads, whatever. It's just too cost > prohibitive to send them straight to my house. I only get my military > mail > about once a month, but that's fine for these! > Thanks! > Take Care, Geno > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:09:56 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Tim Fritz Anyone ever dealt with Tim Fritz? I received an email from him with a trade proposal. ================= To: "'Bob Farrell'" , Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 06:16:10 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice desparately sought. I think I have been had on ebay. I've been lucky. The only time I received a fake from ebay I emailed the guy, explained why it was a fake and he took it back. I think the 54s were also printed in the first issue of SI. But I think they would be thinner than regular Topps cards. As long as you are sure its a fake, ideally getting a third party to confirm your beliefs, I would tell the gut you want your money back or else you'll contact the Post Office about charges of mail fraud. You might also want to contact the Attorney General of this persons home Finally, if you paid with paypal I think you might have some recourse through them. Good Luck -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Farrell Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 7:32 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice desparately sought. I think I have been had on ebay. Hello All, I recently purchased an Aaron rookie on ebay. It arrived today and I am pretty certain it is a fake. It feels too thick, to stiff, the edges feel to sharp and the gloss appears all wrong. If I had to guess I would think that the card was created by a real nice color copier. The guy I bought it from responded to my email that the card was a fake by asking how I could be sure it was a fake. He is insisting it is How should I proceed with this guy ? have any of you had any similar experiences ? Here is the auction url. I don't know if the picture will still be http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. SPONSORED LINKS card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: 5 Oct 2005 11:27:46 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Who will you be PULLING FOR to win the 2005 World Series? Poll ends sometime Thursday. o Yankees o Angels o White Sox o Red Sox o Cardinals o Braves o Padres o Astros To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12151251 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: 5 Oct 2005 11:36:35 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Who do you PREDICT will win the 2005 World Series? Poll ends sometime Thursday. o Yankees o Angels o White Sox o Red Sox o Cardinals o Braves o Padres o Astros To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12151255 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 07:49:08 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Negatives 1969 Oakland A's Sal Bando T Reynolds (item 8703151768 ================= Date: 5 Oct 2005 12:14:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: George Counter If any of you are contacted by George Counter for a trade, he has my full backing. I first was contacted by George because he also collects old baseball bats, but I soon discovered that he has an extensive collection of pre 1980 cards. We have swapped cards and information about old bats and he certainly holds up his end of the deal. He's very interested in joining OBC so keep an eye peeled for him. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:14:50 -0500 From: tvalacak@d211.org Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I have to pull for the BoSOx!!! 10/05/2005 06:27 AM [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Who will you be PULLING FOR to win the 2005 World Series? Poll ends sometime Thursday. o Yankees o Angels o White Sox o Red Sox o Cardinals o Braves o Padres o Astros To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12151251 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 08:24:46 -0700 (PDT) To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Negatives 1969 Oakland A's Sal Bando T Reynolds (item 8703151768 end time Oct-09-05 17:08:32 PDT) Jim Nash - pitcher. He was indeed 24 in 1969 and appeared on 7 topps cards. topps 67 - 90 topps 68 - 324 topps 69 - 546 topps 70 - 171 topps 71 - 306 topps 72 - 401 topps 73 - 509 keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: Anyone know who the 3rd guy pictured is that he has listed as Nash. I told him I'd ask around & relay the answer. Nash would have been age 24 in 1969. I don't have a roster list plus it may be from another yr anyway. The exact link is attached or use the ebay # in the subject title. I will not be bidding by the way. SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8703151768&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:US:1 Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 14:00:58 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Another potential member I recently completed a trade with Aaron Shirley. He's a minister in Georgia and we traded some UV stuff as well as vintage. I ended up with some 54 Bowmans, a 61 Yaz, 53 high number, 59 high number, 59 Drysdale and a bunch of other stuff. I sent him hits to 1973 to 1980 plus UV. Over 800 cards exchanged hands. I directed him to the OBC page and he is very interested in making a couple of other trades so he can join. I passed along some names for him to contact so you might be hearing from him soon. If anybody would like to contact him directly his email is: uthminsta@hotmail.com -Bob R ================= To: "vct" , Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:04:24 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: Wrong package sent Hello All, I was to send 3 each 71 basketball cards to someone & sent him the wrong lot of cards. If I sent anyone these above please let me know. I do not know whom I could have sent to by mistake ================= Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:03:33 -0400 (GMT-04:00) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Cheap 1969-70 Tall boy basketball on ebay Tiger Dave (Grant's buddy) has a few cheap 1969-70 basketball cards listed on ebay including a checklist. Mention OBC and get a discount. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfrppZ25QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ2QQsassZtigerdaveobc ================= To: Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:49:23 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: OBC physics Only in OBC could one pull a starter 71 and 80 Topps sets from their dupes box yet the box becomes more crowded. I started one of each to knock out some dupes (finished the 80 already) and now they are jammed tighter than ever thanks to the generosity of my OBC buddies. So where am I going here? I am asking you to send more boxes! Just kidding!!!!! If anyone has a list for 71T or 80T send me your list. They are mainly in OBC condition so beware. Have others from the 70s so include those. Thanks for filling the box, now help me move some to other OBCers in need. Mark Holland Wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&ext1&groupid106917&ck ================= Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:52:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Keith" Subject: 11PM/Smoltz/Astros/W.Sox/Angels I'll be closing both polls about 11PM (East Coast time). So if you haven't voted yet or if you want to change your previous vote, get in gear now. I'm the only Braves fan? Where's Lynn Miller?! If the Braves lose tonight I'm taking Houston to win it all. It'd be nice to see since Biggio & Clemens may not be back & Bagwell missed about half a season. Yes they are a wild card team but consider that Lance Berkman (great stats!) missed about 7 weeks (knee) & Bagwell missed even more (shoulder). So far 12 of the 16 voters are "pulling for" the SOX. That's 5 for Chicago & 7 for Boston. The other poll has 15 "predictions". Is there anyone here that would NOT vote for Smoltz for the HOF? Two of my 3 fav active pitchers [Clemens/ Smoltz/ Kris Benson] going head to head right now! :-) I wouldn't mind the White Sox (2-0) taking it all either. I just hope the Yankees (sorry Chris) and Angels (sorry Grant) lose. With the Expos gone, the Angels take over as my 3rd least fav team probably (NYY/Blue Jays). What a trade, Doyle Alexander (29-29) for John Smoltz! Almost like Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell. Which team Rittenberg pulling for I wonder? :-) ================= To: "'Keith'" , Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 22:11:22 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 11PM/Smoltz/Astros/W.Sox/Angels I'm too lazy to do a poll. Heading off to bed. I'm rooting for the Red Sox and not the Braves (sorry Keith) or Yankees. GO SOX -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:53 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 11PM/Smoltz/Astros/W.Sox/Angels I'll be closing both polls about 11PM (East Coast time). So if you haven't voted yet or if you want to change your previous vote, get in gear now. I'm the only Braves fan? Where's Lynn Miller?! If the Braves lose tonight I'm taking Houston to win it all. It'd be nice to see since Biggio & Clemens may not be back & Bagwell missed about half a season. Yes they are a wild card team but consider that Lance Berkman (great stats!) missed about 7 weeks (knee) & Bagwell missed even more (shoulder). So far 12 of the 16 voters are "pulling for" the SOX. That's 5 for Chicago & 7 for Boston. The other poll has 15 Is there anyone here that would NOT vote for Smoltz for the HOF? Two of my 3 fav active pitchers [Clemens/ Smoltz/ Kris Benson] going head to head right now! :-) I wouldn't mind the White Sox (2-0) taking it all either. I just hope the Yankees (sorry Chris) and Angels (sorry Grant) lose. With the Expos gone, the Angels take over as my 3rd least fav team probably (NYY/Blue Jays). What a trade, Doyle Alexander (29-29) for John Smoltz! Almost like Larry Anderson for Jeff Bagwell. Which team Rittenberg pulling for I wonder? :-) Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: 7 Oct 2005 03:24:13 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who do you PREDICT will win the 2005 World Series? Poll ends sometime Thursday. CHOICES AND RESULTS - Yankees, 2 votes, 12.50% - Angels, 2 votes, 12.50% - White Sox, 1 votes, 6.25% - Red Sox, 2 votes, 12.50% - Cardinals, 8 votes, 50.00% - Braves, 1 votes, 6.25% - Padres, 0 votes, 0.00% - Astros, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Yankees - friar4@aol.com - dcoen@willamette.edu - Angels - talbot1@comcast.net - rrfarrell@yahoo.com - White Sox - cjmdpi@yahoo.com - Red Sox - nthomas@pol.net - tknowles@sofast.net - Cardinals - Originaleek@webtv.net - shawn.adkins@showmesavants.com - obc_spike@yahoo.com - wholla_m@bellsouth.net - dan@iamdanaustin.com - okeedokee@pipeline.com - cardguybaseball@yahoo.com - directorth@aol.com - Braves - keithsummers@webtv.net - Padres - Astros For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 7 Oct 2005 03:24:40 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who will you be PULLING FOR to win the 2005 World Series? Poll ends sometime Thursday. CHOICES AND RESULTS - Yankees, 1 votes, 5.88% - Angels, 0 votes, 0.00% - White Sox, 5 votes, 29.41% - Red Sox, 7 votes, 41.18% - Cardinals, 2 votes, 11.76% - Braves, 1 votes, 5.88% - Padres, 0 votes, 0.00% - Astros, 1 votes, 5.88% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Yankees - chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com - Angels - White Sox - JEdward@aol.com - dcoen@willamette.edu - cjmdpi@yahoo.com - directorth@aol.com - vrechek@ameritech.net - Red Sox - nthomas@pol.net - tknowles@sofast.net - dan@iamdanaustin.com - tvalacak@d211.org - friar4@aol.com - talbot1@comcast.net - obc_spike@yahoo.com - Cardinals - Originaleek@webtv.net - shawn.adkins@showmesavants.com - Braves - keithsummers@webtv.net - Padres - Astros - okeedokee@pipeline.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:25:51 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Some Sept/Oct pickups OBCers -- I picked up a few postcards off Ebay last week, as well as a cool 1929 Babe Ruth tobacco card from England. I thought I'd share some picks and see if anybody else has added anything different lately! Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:06:57 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some Sept/Oct pickups I have two to report. One is a 1917 Zeenut of Eric Erickson. The significance of this card is that only four persons born in SWEDEN ever made the major leagues. Two played in one game, and another played in two. Eric Erickson played in 91 games between 1914 and 1922 (1922 is the last near a native born-Swede appeared in a major league game). Eric is also the only Swede to have a baseball card (3 different during his career) and I've been looking a long time for one. Wouldn't you know, his 1923 Willard's Chocolate card is currently on eBay - and of course I will be bidding on it! The second card is a 1922 Zeenut of Vean Gregg. Vean accomplished the rarefeat of winning 20 or more games in each of his first THREE seasons. He is a WABORN, born about 30 miles south of here. My other card of him is a 1912 T207 Brown. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: geno.wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Some Sept/Oct pickups OBCers -- I picked up a few postcards off Ebay last week, as well as a cool 1929 Babe Ruth tobacco card from England. I thought I'd share some picks and see if anybody else has added anything different lately! Take Care, Geno SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:43:28 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some Sept/Oct pickups I also have two to report that I just won off ebay today. First time I've seen an authentic jersey of a player named REED on ebay and there were two of them. Jerry Reed of the St. Pete Pelicans Senior League team in 1989 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8701351960 Darren Reed an outfielder in the early 90's for the Mets, Expos, and Twins http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8701356235 Geno: I have one of those JD McCarthey Tiger Post Cards myself. Some guy named Bob Reed. Take Care. -Bob Reed >From: "Dave Fallen" >To: ,"geno.wagner" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some Sept/Oct pickups >Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 23:06:57 -0700 >I have two to report. One is a 1917 Zeenut of Eric Erickson. The >significance of this card is that only four persons born in SWEDEN ever >made the major leagues. Two played in one game, and another played in two. > Eric Erickson played in 91 games between 1914 and 1922 (1922 is the last >near a native born-Swede appeared in a major league game). Eric is also >the only Swede to have a baseball card (3 different during his career) and >I've been looking a long time for one. Wouldn't you know, his 1923 >Willard's Chocolate card is currently on eBay - and of course I will be >bidding on it! >The second card is a 1922 Zeenut of Vean Gregg. Vean accomplished the rare >feat of winning 20 or more games in each of his first THREE seasons. He is >a WABORN, born about 30 miles south of here. My other card of him is a >1912 T207 Brown. >-Dave Fallen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: geno.wagner > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:25 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Some Sept/Oct pickups > OBCers -- > I picked up a few postcards off Ebay last week, as well as a cool 1929 > Ruth tobacco card from England. I thought I'd share some picks and see > anybody else has added anything different lately! > Take Care, Geno > SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case >Baseball card protector > Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of ================= Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 23:36:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: A few 1961 availables A few availables from 1961, let me know (leave your address)..... 54 87 135 157 168 186 191 193 196 199 208 210 212 231 274 Condition variable - a few might even edge their way up to Ex! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 15:25:45 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: Player Request--UV warning First, a warning to the UV sensitive. Not an everyday request, but if anybody has any Steve Buechele cards, I would greatly appreciate them. Even the rare 88 donruss (#224) or the scarce 1990 Topps (#279), would be valued. Thanks in advance. Mac Wubben 4205 Jenifer St. Washington DC 20015 ================= Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2005 21:48:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables Coupla '56 Topps Baseball on the waiver wire; 82 Renna, 171 Wilson Anybody want to give these guys a good home? ================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 07:21:05 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Availables As usual, I find myself owing more guys than I can count. I recently put together a web page with my have and want lists, but also including cards I have available at the bottom. Please take a look whether I owe you or not and see if you need anything from my availables list. Those I owe get first crack, but don't be shy about claiming, even if you are not in that category. Remember, the availables list is at the bottom of the page. _http://www.geocities.com/robertcorvello/Old_Friar_Collection.html_ (http://www.geocities.com/robertcorvello/Old_Friar_Collection.html) ================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 11:53:38 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Availables Typical OBC condition cards that are available from the dupe box. 1969 Topps: 169, 235, 600 1968 Topps: 528 1967 Topps: 80, 143, 350, 402, 517 1966 Topps: 21, 33, 73, 120, 292, 307 1965 Topps: 88, 199, 241, 246, 293, 328, 358, 274, 379, 511, 517 1962 Topps: 437, 445 1954 Topps: 27 1952 Topps: 115 John Leroux ================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 12:15:27 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: WAIVER WIRE Starter SET Hello anyone here looking to start the 1966 topps???? wll i have a 40 card Starter Set up for grabs....If your interested...its yours ....PLEASE no one asking for individual cards and #s.....I want to give this to someone who wants to START the 66 set.......so EMAIL ME if your interested Rob Gioia ================= Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:17:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Whoops Swap! I won't mention names, but an OBCer recently pulled cards for me and mistakenly mailed them elsewhere! This, in and of itself, is not a problem, but he sent me another person's really nice 70T hi#s! This also is not a problem, but since I already have the 70T set, I will gladly swap these cards for the "mystery pull" that was mailed somewhere else. If you are not sufficiently confused at this point, know what I am talking about, AND still have the cards that were accidentally sent your way, please email me and we can arrange a swap that will net both of us a few cards we can cross off our respective Thanks! James PS Once I know who you are, I'll try to hit your W/L too! :-) ================= Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 19:44:38 EDT To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Exhibit collectors site started up Hello fellow cardboardians: A guy I met at another site, Vintage Baseball Card Forum at Net 54, has started an exhibit site at Yahoo. If you want we are putting inventories and other data that might be fun as well as helpful. _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exhibits_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exhibits) Sign up if you would like to help build/use it. ================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 04:31:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Availables I went to a small card show this morning and picked up some cheap commons. Most I needed, some were replacements, and others were just looking for a good home. I'll list the 62's and 63'2. I also picked up quite a ew 74's (200+). SO if anyone is working on a 74 set, send me your wantlist. 1962 - 2 42 82 83 151 162 174 177 247 402 442 1963 - 24 62 63 67 71 98 104 114 139 174 201 219 249 256 1974 - Biggest name I picked up was a nice looking Bill Russell. A lot of commons. http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ================= To: Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 22:20:22 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Truly rambling...having some fun 1953 Don Hoak 1954 Don Mueller 1955 Spook Jacobs 1956 Dee Fondy 1957 Gus Triandos 1958 Rocky Bridges 1959 Don Cardwell 1960 Bennie Daniels 1961 Wes Covington 1962 Jim Brosnan 1963 Curt Simmons 1964 Tommy Harper 1965 Sam McDowell 1966 Joe Pepitone 1967 Rick Reichardt 1968 Dooley Womack 1969 Don Drysdale 1970 Jack Baldschun 1971 Jerry Koosman 1972 Bernie Carbo 1973 Larry Bowa 1974 Cleon Jones 1975 Richie Hebner 1976 Jay Johnstone 1977 Johnnie LeMaster 1978 Oscar Gamble 1979 Bobby Valentine This seemingly unrelated list above represents the player on the binder endpage for all of my Topps sets...you know, I have those type of card binders(Ultra-Pro) that have a small plastic pouch for a card. I chose these guysas representatives for the set because I think they are among the coolest cards in the set, or even because some have some OBC significance. So I must ask, do others out here in OBC World use the same kind of binders, and if so how do you chose the end card?.... Anyone?.... Bueller ? How many of you have ever figured out which card is your favorite in each set? Notice also that I focus on HOM type players, not HOF for the end cap.... Now that you are all certain that I am nuts...let's hear from some of you! OBC Forever, ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 02:14:23 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Lipset Encyclopedia for sale @ $30 Mark Macrae has a Lipset Encyclopedia of Baseball available for $30 minus OBC discount. MMa3026559@aol.com ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BASEBALL CARDS by Lew Lipset. ; Volumes 1,2 & 3 combined one volume. REPRINTED. Widely considered the most comprehensive coverage of these issues. Excellent condition $30.00 It lists nearly every 19th & early 20th century set you could think of and many you couldn't. Its fun just to flip the pages and read about a set you never heard of. Plus, it includes a lot of information about variations (front and back) based on the year the card was printed. I never quite understood that T206s were printed over a three year period until I read an detailed essay on the subject in this book. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" , Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:20:32 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lipset Encyclopedia for sale @ $30 OBCers -- I just bought this a few weeks ago and definitely recommend it to anyone who likes pre-war cards - great resourse and something to dream about for your Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" To: "Ramblings" Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 7:14 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Lipset Encyclopedia for sale @ $30 > Mark Macrae has a Lipset Encyclopedia of Baseball available for $30 minus > OBC discount. MMa3026559@aol.com > ENCYCLOPEDIA OF BASEBALL CARDS by Lew Lipset. ; Volumes 1,2 & 3 combined > into > one volume. REPRINTED. Widely considered the most comprehensive coverage > of > these issues. Excellent condition $30.00 > It lists nearly every 19th & early 20th century set you could think of and > many you couldn't. Its fun just to flip the pages and read about a set > you > never heard of. Plus, it includes a lot of information about variations > (front and back) based on the year the card was printed. I never quite > understood that T206s were printed over a three year period until I read > an > detailed essay on the subject in this book. > Steve > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: , Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:40:48 -0400 From: "Jim Beauchemin" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Truly rambling...having some fun I do the same thing, religiously so. I always try to get an extra of my favorite players of the era for this purpose, or someone whose performance held some significance to me or the year, in that order. 1952 Mantle (reprint) 1953 - 58 used different type binders 1959 Pedro Ramos 1960-1 Johnny Callison 1962 Matty Alou 1963 Pedro Ramos 1964 Johnny Callison 1965-6-7-8 Jim Ray Hart 1969 Jay Johnstone 1970 Juan Marichal 1971 Joe Pepitone 1972 Oscar Gamble 1973 Jesus Alou 1974 Jack Aker 1975-6-7-8 Jay Johnstone 1979-80 Oscar Gamble ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 1:20 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Truly rambling...having some fun 1953 Don Hoak 1954 Don Mueller 1955 Spook Jacobs 1956 Dee Fondy 1957 Gus Triandos 1958 Rocky Bridges 1959 Don Cardwell 1960 Bennie Daniels 1961 Wes Covington 1962 Jim Brosnan 1963 Curt Simmons 1964 Tommy Harper 1965 Sam McDowell 1966 Joe Pepitone 1967 Rick Reichardt 1968 Dooley Womack 1969 Don Drysdale 1970 Jack Baldschun 1971 Jerry Koosman 1972 Bernie Carbo 1973 Larry Bowa 1974 Cleon Jones 1975 Richie Hebner 1976 Jay Johnstone 1977 Johnnie LeMaster 1978 Oscar Gamble 1979 Bobby Valentine This seemingly unrelated list above represents the player on the binder end page for all of my Topps sets...you know, I have those type of card binders(Ultra-Pro) that have a small plastic pouch for a card. I chose these guys as representatives for the set because I think they are among the coolest cards in the set, or even because some have some OBC significance. So I must ask, do others out here in OBC World use the same kind of binders, and if so how do you chose the end card?.... Anyone?.... Bueller ? How many of you have ever figured out which card is your favorite in eachset? Notice also that I focus on HOM type players, not HOF for the end cap.... Now that you are all certain that I am nuts...let's hear from some of you! OBC Forever, SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:22:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Who Collects What? Howdy folks, I have a few 1947-66 Exhibit dupes looking for a good home. I know about Brock, Bob and STeve - anybody else collecting these? ================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:32:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables A few availables: 1956 Topps Baseball #82 still looking for a good home 1979 Hostess Baseball #58 & 59 1977 Hostess Baseball #50 If anybody wants to be hero, I found that one of my "complete" sets isn't really.....1978 Hostess, thought I was finished, but still need.....#84 Roy Howell. ================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 13:33:26 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Help Wanted for Football Met a friend who is a major Ron Jaworski fan...I am looking for anybody who has dups of any Jaws cards...let me know... ================= Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:14:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1947-66 Exhibits Available Thanks to the generosity of Brock Hattox and a big ebay lot, I have eight 1947-66 Exhibit dupes available: Ashburn, Doby, Ennis, Evers, Majeski, Mitchell, Pesky, Spahn. Anybody want to give these guys a good home? ================= Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 01:13:34 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@lists.VintageCardTraders.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: FREE S&H? 50% off S&H? Good idea? I created 2 DATABASE tables in both OBC & VCT at the http://www.yahoogroups.com site. I think it would be handy to have a list of dealers that offer either FREE SHIPPING & HANDLING on orders totaling at least $10 and/or those that offer half price. All tables are empty now. So check with your friendly dealer & see if they want to be listed. Other ideas, if these 2 tables have a hard time getting dealers, is a table of those that offer 25% off S&H. Maybe a list of dealers that offer free local pickup/delivery? If a dealer says they will do it on $20 orders, then I can simply type that $20 stipulation in the NOTES section of the table by their site. Any suggestions or comments? Good idea? Bad idea? LMK & I'll add the dealer, after verifying the info, if that's ok with the OBCAC & BullPen. Email me here: KeithSummers@webtv.net or fwd the confirmation email from the dealer to the list as you find them. If anyone has a problem with this or something I need to consider (potential problems), LMK ASAP. Thanks ================= To: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 12:44:56 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Hit one for me, Champ! Saw this today, and I've been laughing ever since. Enjoy! Glasgow, Scotland ps Today in Glasgow, it's rainy, cold, and windy....but the Yankees got beat last night so its a BEAUTIFUL day!! Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 03:20:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: Message to Ant Anthony - Been trying to send this out as an individual e-mail but I'm not sure that the mail is getting through. Your "misfired" basketball cards are here - just let me know where they are supposed to go, and I'll send them along. ================= To: Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 22:10:35 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Flour, Candy, and Popcorn This has been a terrific week for Seattle Indians / Seattle Rainiers baseball First, in a very OBC-like transaction, a guy offered me 11 Zeenuts of Seattle players. First off, he asked for a little LESS than I offered for the cards. Then he sends be 15 of the cards instead of the 11 we agreed upon. He also threw in a Remar Bread card he had laying around. Fifteen Seattle Zeenuts at one time, wowie! In the Second transaction I picked up 5 Seattle Popcorn cards (2-1956, 2-1957, 1-1964) and 8 (eight!) 1943 Centennial Flour Seattle Rainiers cards. These were dups from a collector I often bid against on eBay, so he knows full-well the prices these cards are pulling lately. And he also substantially discounted the offer I made him on the cards which was already below thegoing eBay prices. I am gratified that OBC-like generosity is sometimes encountered outside ofOBC proper. Gives me the warm fuzzies. ================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 05:32:48 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Tuff Stuff article on collecting quests Cool news! A while back, an OBCer forwarded a note from a freelance author working on a "collector's quests" article for Tuff Stuff. I ended up being included for my 1969 Topps team posters, where I've needed just the Red Sox poster for years now. The article is in the November 2005 issue (Brett Favre on the cover). The five quests it includes are: 1) 1972 Puerto Rican sticker Mike Schmidt (completed) 2) 2000 Pacific Copper Andy Pettitte (completed) 3) 1996 Pinnacle First Pitch Previews Gregg Jefferies and 1949 Sealtest Phillies Puddinghead Jones (still looking, apparently these two will finish an extensive Phillies team collection) 4) 1952 Royal Desserts Gordie Howe (still looking, apparently to finish a Howe 5) My 1969 team posters Ironically, I found the last team poster on eBay between the article being written and its publication. We post stuff on Ramblings from time-to-time about long-sought cards. Anyone have a story to add? Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ================= To: "obc rambling" Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:24:28 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: For Bill M. for recovered cards So I did reverse the lots. He is sending you the right one thanks very much. I am not sure why you have not recieved my previous emails. You may have me blocked? Chris Carpenter 106 Darrow drive Pennington, NJ 08534 ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Malson To: ant Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wrong package sent Ant - I have the basketball cards - Who do they go to? ----- Original Message ----- From: ant To: vct ; obc rambling ; trading bases Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 9:04 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wrong package sent Hello All, I was to send 3 each 71 basketball cards to someone & sent him the wrong lot of cards. If I sent anyone these above please let me know. I do not know whom I could have sent to by mistake ================= To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:53:15 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: PSA Pat Bourque?? OBCers -- I won a lot of 1974 Oakland A's cards the other day and in amongst the loot was a graded Pat Bourque SGC 92. Now I'm no genius, but this card books for about 30 cents in mint condition - what does it cost to grade?!? Who would ever get this graded? Was somebody concerned that there might be Pat Bourque counterfeits on the market? Needless to say, this baby is getting a hammer taken to it so it fits in my binder! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:21:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables Got an extra John McGraw, card #3 from the Kelloggs 1972 ATG set. Anybody want to give him a good home? Also still got two 1947-66 Exhibits left from the earlier waiver offering, Warren Spahn (Boston Cap) and Walter Evers. Anybody? ================= Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 01:04:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: To Ant Ant - We can't go on communicating like this....... Actually, I did recieve your e-mails - but apparently you never recieved my responses. Our computers must not get along. I will take care of forwarding the cards to Chris Carpenter. ================= Date: 14 Oct 2005 05:51:33 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Are you in favor of instant replay for umpires in MLB? Poll ends Tuesday Oct 18th, 2005. o No o Yes but only under certain conditions. o Yes 2 instant replay timeouts per game for each team. o Yes but only in post season. o Yes but only in the World Series. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12159641 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 08:06:35 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 16:25:44 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Oddball basketball at Sims Classic Sports http://www.simsclassicsports.com/ I've never heard of most of these. There are some HOF RCs in there for Brett Domue and others. Steve (referral ID #45) 1968-69 Rockets Jack in the Box Basketball - Singles (12) 10/14/05 1969 Topps Deckle Baseball - Singles (6) 10/13/05 1970 Topps Baseball - Singles (44) 10/13/05 1970 Topps Posters Baseball - Singles (23) 10/12/05 1971 KedKard Basketball - Singles (1) 10/13/05 1972 Topps Baseball - Singles (953) 10/13/05 1972-73 1972-73 Basketball - Singles (3) 10/13/05 1973 OPC Baseball - Singles (656) 10/12/05 1973-74 NBA Players Assn. Basketball - Singles (37) 10/12/05 1974 Nabisco Sugar Daddy Hockey - Singles (5) 10/12/05 1974 Nabisco Sugar Daddy Football - Singles (4) 10/12/05 1974 Nabisco Sugar Daddy Basketball - Singles (3) 10/12/05 1974 Topps Baseball - Singles (522) 10/13/05 1975 Topps Baseball - Singles (1193) 10/12/05 1976 Topps Baseball - Singles (7) 10/13/05 1977 Dell Flip Book Basketball - Singles (1) 10/13/05 1977 Topps Football - Singles (292) 10/13/05 1977-78 White Hen Pantry Basketball - Team Sets (1) 10/14/05 1977-79 Sportscaster Basketball - Singles (77) 10/12/05 1978-79 Clippers Handyman Basketball - Singles (9) 10/14/05 1979 Topps Baseball - Singles (35) 10/13/05 1983-84 Star Basketball - Team Sets (1) 10/14/05 1983-84 Star Basketball - Team Set (4) 10/7/05 1983-84 Star Basketball - Singles (97) 10/7/05 1984 Star Basketball - Team Set (3) 10/7/05 1984 Star Arena Basketball - Team Sets (1) 10/14/05 1984-85 Star Basketball - Team Set (15) 10/7/05 1984-85 Star Basketball - Singles (26) 10/7/05 1985 Fleer Baseball - Singles (10739) 10/13/05 1985 Star Basketball - Team Set (9) 10/7/05 1985-86 JMS Game Basketball - Singles (14) 10/12/05 1985-86 Star Basketball - Team Set (33) 10/7/05 1986 Donruss Rookies Baseball - Singles (13) 10/13/05 1986 Fleer Baseball - Singles (243) 10/13/05 1986 Franz Basketball - Team Sets (1) 10/14/05 ================= Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 03:06:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Keith" Subject: instant replay in MLB We have 6 YES and 8 NO so far. The Rose Bowl I think was decided on a blown call when Charles White of USCfumbled BEFORE crossing the line. It was ruled a TD and it had an impact on the national champ that yr. Of course we also have the WS blown call at 1B a few yrs back with the STL & KC I think it was. Also the Jeffrey Maier (sp?) fan with glove incident. I just can't see why anyone would be against having the right call made. Is 3 minutes of your time too long to spend waitng for an ump to check the replay? Or is it more important for the correct call to be made to go in the history books for eternity? Why do the other major sports have it if it is such a bad idea? I remember one of the NFL teams that voted against it (before replay was implemented), got screwed on a bad call the next yr. I was loving that but can't remember what happened now. So you say....well human error by umps is part of the game & always has been. I say...well it doesn't have to have such a major impact, especially ina World Series game! As far as "always has been", well there hasn't always been great cameras like they have today & high tech replay equipment etc.I'm not suggesting it for balls & strikes but how about foul balls & plays at a base? Some rules are put in to improve things. A rule should make sense I always say. I would say you guys are from the Old School but I seeChris & Spike in there voting NO too :-( I use to be in favor (opinion wise) of legalizing drugs. Not because I usethem (never have) but to save the money spent fightng them etc. This was back in the 80s. Well I debated it with some people, did some reserach, got older etc, and soon saw that the idea was out of the question, as far as I was concerned. So my opinion can be swayed by facts & intelligent debating but I'd like to hear the reasoning for not wanting replay in MLB. And this is not about the White Sox/Angels gamne. First of all, I'm for the White Sox for what that is worth (see last week's email). But not only that,I have been meaning to do this poll for over a year! I was hoping some disgruntled Angel fans would vote YES however :-) And I'd make it like the NFL where it has to be "conclusive" to over-rule a call anyway. I also figured some of you that would not mind replay on foul balls at least, would vote: "YES but only in certain conditions". So to all you voting NO, here's to the MLB team you pull for losing on a blown call to the MLB team I'm pulling for from here on out, every season :-) BTW, I hope most of you are for the Angels & Cards since I'm for the Astros & White Sox! ================= Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:06:34 -0700 (PDT) To: Keith , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] instant replay in MLB --- Keith wrote: > So to all you voting NO, here's to the MLB team you > pull for losing on a blown call to the MLB team I'm > pulling for from here on out, every season :-) Part of me just wishes the umpire who called that play would have been the same guy who called Bubba Crosby out in the deciding game of the Yankees/Angels series when he ran on strike 3. Though Crosby beat the throw, the ump called him out because he had run just inside the baseline (which was the correct call, I know...but not every ump would have called that; I've seen several times when a runner was even farther inside without being called for it). There were runners on, and it might have given the Yanks a chance to get a couple more runs. However...instaed, I'm sitting here pulling for former Bombers Clemens and Pettite to pull it out (and for the Chisox to become the "other" team that hasn't won a Series since WW1 to break that drought). With the Yankees now sharing the same vantage point as me (namely, watching the game from their living rooms), I am now in a position to enjoy the games left on their own merits. It doesn't beat the opportunity to watch them win a 27th title, but it's nice to watch the games without the bias interfering with my emotions. Just my 2 cents. And I see Keith's points but still won't change my opinion about instant replay in Off the point, I just got done watching "Field of Dreams" with my 7-year old daughter Melissa while Ellen was out doing some scrapbook activity with her girlfriends. She thoroughly enjoyed the movie, and I loved the way we got to bond. Especially at the end when Ray played catch with his father. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:59:43 -0700 From: Peter Iversen Subject: Fw: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Anyone else get this...??? Can anyone help this fellow out...??? Peter / marcpeter ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:19:03 -0400 Subject: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Hi Marc; My wife's maiden name is Laurie Myllykangas. Her grandfather was Lauri Myllykangas, who played ( Pitched ) for the Montreal Royals in 1935. He passed away at a young age. His only child ( a son ), is of course my wife's Dad. He has a team photo that he showed me, but said he doesn't remember much about his dad as he was a child when his dad passed away. As I Love baseball and am also a card collector I started trying to find out more about his father's baseball career. As he never played in the Major League, I figured there was no way he would be on a baseball card. When I checked the Beckett Alphabetical Checklist I was surprised, he had 2 issued of him. I found a picture of the front and back of the Canadian Goudey in a persons set they had posted on the Internet, when I showed my wife she was speechless, ( that's a GOOD thing ). She says her dad has NO idea that there are 2 baseball cards of his dad. I would love to buy the best example's of those 2 baseball cards that I can afford, and give them to him as a Christmas gift. 1936 Goudey " Wide Pen " Premiums R314 / Canada Lauri 1936 World Wide Gum ( Canadian Goudey ) V355 card # 82 Lauri Any information on where I can look or find these cards would be Very Much Appreciated. Thank You for your time. Jim Williams ================= To: "Peter Iversen" Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 00:20:41 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Hi Peter, I got it and sent him a scan of one of the cards he was looking for. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Iversen To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:59 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Anyone else get this...??? Can anyone help this fellow out...??? Peter / marcpeter To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:19:03 -0400 Subject: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Hi Marc; My wife's maiden name is Laurie Myllykangas. Her grandfather was Lauri Myllykangas, who played ( Pitched ) for the Montreal Royals in 1935. He passed away at a young age. His only child ( a son ), is of coursemy wife's Dad. He has a team photo that he showed me, but said he doesn't remember much about his dad as he was a child when his dad passed away. As I Love baseball and am also a card collector I started trying to find out more about his father's baseball career. As he never played in the Major League, I figured there was no way he would be on a baseball card. When I checked the Beckett Alphabetical Checklist I was surprised, he had 2 issued of him. I found a picture of the front and back of the Canadian Goudey in a persons set they had posted on the Internet, when I showed my wife she was speechless, ( that's a GOOD thing ). She says her dad has NO idea that there are 2 baseball cards of his dad. I would love to buy the best example's of those 2 baseball cards that I can afford, and give them to him as a Christmas 1936 Goudey " Wide Pen " Premiums R314 / Canada Lauri Myllykangas 1936 World Wide Gum ( Canadian Goudey ) V355 card # 82 Lauri Myllykangas Any information on where I can look or find these cards would be Very Much Thank You for your time. Jim Williams YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 22:54:46 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Jim Williams' statement that Lauri Myllykangas pitched for the Montreal Royals in 1935 led me to wonder if he was aware of the rest of Lauri's record.Lauri had a six-year professional career. I sent Jim the following information in case it would be of help: SEASON TEAM LEAGUE WL_REC ERA 1933 Montreal IL 0- 2 ------ 1934 Montreal IL 4- 4 4.37 1934 Williamsport NYP 3- 6 4.90 1935 Montreal IL 8-11 4.53 1936 Montreal IL 13-12 4.13 1937 Montreal IL 9-10 5.27 1938 Indianapolis AA 0- 3 6.14 1938 Knoxville SA 4- 5 4.55 -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Iversen To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Anyone else get this...??? Can anyone help this fellow out...??? Peter / marcpeter To: Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 21:19:03 -0400 Subject: 1936 Goudey & Wide Pen Hi Marc; My wife's maiden name is Laurie Myllykangas. Her grandfather was Lauri Myllykangas, who played ( Pitched ) for the Montreal Royals in 1935. He passed away at a young age. His only child ( a son ), is of coursemy wife's Dad. He has a team photo that he showed me, but said he doesn't remember much about his dad as he was a child when his dad passed away. As I Love baseball and am also a card collector I started trying to find out more about his father's baseball career. As he never played in the Major League, I figured there was no way he would be on a baseball card. When I checked the Beckett Alphabetical Checklist I was surprised, he had 2 issued of him. I found a picture of the front and back of the Canadian Goudey in a persons set they had posted on the Internet, when I showed my wife she was speechless, ( that's a GOOD thing ). She says her dad has NO idea that there are 2 baseball cards of his dad. I would love to buy the best example's of those 2 baseball cards that I can afford, and give them to him as a Christmas 1936 Goudey " Wide Pen " Premiums R314 / Canada Lauri Myllykangas 1936 World Wide Gum ( Canadian Goudey ) V355 card # 82 Lauri Myllykangas Any information on where I can look or find these cards would be Very Much Thank You for your time. Jim Williams YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Keith" , Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 01:26:14 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] instant ultra techo turbo UV replay in MLB Keith, I'm not at all against the principal of getting calls correct, but Iam very disappointed how once something like that gets put into place, from then on it seems impossible to follow, consistency wise. I'm a HUGE Michigan fan and that Charles White touchdown likely did indeed cost the Wolvesa National Championship that year. Call me a wimp, but I actually cried after the game, for hours and hours, and I was so hurt, I broke in and out of those blasted tears for many days afterward. The replay's we see on television today clearly show Mr. White losing the ball before he crossed the goal line, but even if the replay had been in place back then, is anyone truly confident that the ref's would have overturned the call that was made onthe field, or would have given Michigan possession of the football on the touchback at their own 20, going the other way? Honestly, even though I know I harbor a very strong bias, even with the replay, just this season, I think the Wolverines were extremely burned just couple of games ago when it appeared they did indeed cross the goal line for a touchdown against Notre Dame, only to have the ref's say no, spot the ball back outside of the end zone, where Michigan fumbled it away on the very next play and gave away the game. So, even with replay in place, the correct call was not made and I again found myself crying in my spilled beer. The biggest problem I have with "the replay," as we see them today, is I can't keep up. I understand, all of us want to see a better game, but year after year after year, after changes after changes after changes, I now haveNO clue what is a "reviewable play" and what is not anymore. It's outrageous. "If the ball hits the ground and is ruled dead, the play cannot be...... ", or, "... ... you can only request a review if this, or if that, or ..." The rules always start out simple. "Three minutes maximum time limitfor review on a borderline play." ...but then, before you know it, you need rules to define the rules. What is a borderline play? Before you know it, we have an entire rule book of rules, governing the rules of what can be ruled and what can't be. My gawd man, forget it. I used to love to listen to the soft, sweet, Georgia Peach voice of Ernie Harwell, who would all of a sudden BLAST into the microphone, "STRIKE THREE,he's outta' there. Mr. Honochick SAID SO !!!" Oh he did, did he? It was awesome. When the announcer told you the player was out or safe or whatever, because Mr. So & So said so, you knew right then, even over the radio, it might have been, and probably was, a questionable call. To me, that was a part of the game, and it was part of what captured my imagination and developing mind. It was what helped me later realize that baseball is truly more of a "physical art," and not just a game. The ebbs, the flows, the calls. "Here's the stretch... ... ...he looks in for the sign, and, nope, he steps off to scratch." So, what will it be? Replay today, to determine a call, then what about our futuristic tomorrow? Will each fan beallowed one stoppage of play, so they will have time to make a download into their Playstations, so they can later run around with their "electronic" memory saying, "It was in the game, so now, it's "in the Game?" As for that Red Sox fan with his glove? Everyone here could argue that onefor ages and I doubt we would ever come to a conclusion. I'm one to always believe that if the team had been playing so well to score enough for themselves and to stop the other opponent from doing the same, they wouldn't have been in a position to let one play determine the game in the first place. If Michigan could have punched it in two or three other times, it wouldhave been Charles White, and the USC fans crying, or Notre Dame would havegone home sad, instead of me. If you're only going to play well enough toallow one lucky bounce beat you, then you probably didn't play well enoughto win the game anyway. No amount of high tech wizardry is ever going to change Replay might fix one or two calls, but it simply CREATES dispute over others. With or without it, there will always be a flaw. There will always be a rule that needs a little tweaking, or another rule to define it. Our high tech equipment today is not going to solve all. In the end - with or without replay, just like in hockey where the puck wasshot so hard and so fast that even the "Ultra Super UV, Super Mega-Pixel, Ultra Slow-Mo" is not going to slow it down enough to tell what it hit or deflected off; or just like the massive pile-up on the goal line where thereare so many bodies you can't really see if the pigskin came loose before or after, or not at all; ultimately - in the end, whichever way the play is called, one team is going to win, one team is going to lose, and all the rest of us will cry, jump for joy, or debate the call for the ages. (...now stepping down of his soap box, ....and I STILL want that flippin' Charles White touchdown, AND all my tears, BACK!!!!! ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] instant replay in MLB We have 6 YES and 8 NO so far. The Rose Bowl I think was decided on a blown call when Charles White of USCfumbled BEFORE crossing the line. It was ruled a TD and it had an impact on the national champ that yr. Of course we also have the WS blown call at 1B a few yrs back with the STL & KC I think it was. Also the Jeffrey Maier (sp?) fan with glove incident. I just can't see why anyone would be against having the right call made. Is 3 minutes of your time too long to spend waitng for an ump to check the replay? Or is it more important for the correct call to be made to go in the history books for eternity? Why do the other major sports have it if it is such a bad idea? I remember one of the NFL teams that voted against it (before replay was implemented), got screwed on a bad call the next yr. I was loving that but can't remember what happened now. So you say....well human error by umps is part of the game & always has been. I say...well it doesn't have to have such a major impact, especially ina World Series game! As far as "always has been", well there hasn't always been great cameras like they have today & high tech replay equipment etc.I'm not suggesting it for balls & strikes but how about foul balls & plays at a base? Some rules are put in to improve things. A rule should make sense I always say. I would say you guys are from the Old School but I seeChris & Spike in there voting NO too :-( I use to be in favor (opinion wise) of legalizing drugs. Not because I usethem (never have) but to save the money spent fightng them etc. This was back in the 80s. Well I debated it with some people, did some reserach, got older etc, and soon saw that the idea was out of the question, as far as I was concerned. So my opinion can be swayed by facts & intelligent debating but I'd like to hear the reasoning for not wanting replay in MLB. And this is not about the White Sox/Angels gamne. First of all, I'm for the White Sox for what that is worth (see last week's email). But not only that,I have been meaning to do this poll for over a year! I was hoping some disgruntled Angel fans would vote YES however :-) And I'd make it like the NFL where it has to be "conclusive" to over-rule a call anyway. I also figured some of you that would not mind replay on foul balls at least, would vote: "YES but only in certain conditions". So to all you voting NO, here's to the MLB team you pull for losing on a blown call to the MLB team I'm pulling for from here on out, every season :-) BTW, I hope most of you are for the Angels & Cards since I'm for the Astros & White Sox! Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 08:50:00 -0400 To: keithsummers@webtv.net (Keith) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] instant replay in MLB Just chalk me up as "old school"! As far as my reasons for voting No: it's all about my beliefs & opinions. Since beliefs & opinions are not dependent on fact but rather feelings and the heart, all I need to say by way of explanation is "it just does not feel right for me." Our group is based on "Collecting the Way it Should be". That is our belief and opinion and is not rooted in empirical data or conclusive evidence. We do not apologise for our belief or feel a need to defend it. We do not have a need to convince others that collecting should be done our way in order to validate our position. Another belief that I hold is live and let live! That approach has eliminated a lot of anxiety and frustration in my life. Besides, being different is a law of nature. If any two of us were exactly alike, one of us would be unnecessary. Thanks for doing the poll, it was just for fun wasn't it? I doubt MLB will make any determination based upon our poll results. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:26:41 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Crappy Bowman Is anyone collecting way off grade 1951 Bowmans? ================= To: Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 15:39:39 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: just a test - ignore Ignore, just testing my email... ================= Date: 17 Oct 2005 04:17:37 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Who will you be pulling for in the World Series? Poll ends Tuesday 10-18-05. o Houston Astros o Chicago White Sox To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12162049 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:14:06 +0000 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I still plan on pulling for the Cardinals in the Series, but we will have to wait and see how that turns out.... Be happy, John Scott Gray >From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings >Date: 17 Oct 2005 04:17:37 -0000 >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the >OBC-Ramblings group: >Who will you be pulling for in the World Series? Poll ends Tuesday > o Houston Astros > o Chicago White Sox >To vote, please visit the following web page: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=12162049 >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >web site listed above. >Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "John Scott Gray" , Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:21:28 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Flat on their Faces - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I'm rather hoping the Cards choke up and die. ...let's kill another jinx, or curse, or whatever has kept the ol' South Side without a Championship for so long... ----- Original Message ----- From: John Scott Gray To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:14 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I still plan on pulling for the Cardinals in the Series, but we will have to wait and see how that turns out.... Be happy, John Scott Gray >From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings >Date: 17 Oct 2005 04:17:37 -0000 >Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the >OBC-Ramblings group: >Who will you be pulling for in the World Series? Poll ends Tuesday > o Houston Astros > o Chicago White Sox >To vote, please visit the following web page: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id12162049 >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups >web site listed above. >Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:49:52 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: FW: Nomar's better....Not? From: "Jeremy Halpern" To: "'Michael Kohn'" , Subject: FW: Nomar's better....Not? Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 09:58:27 -0400 This is the funniest thing I have seen in ages - for reference, Nomah dove in and saved 2 people in Boston Harbor. Subject: Nomar saves 2 in harbor Come on guys, O Cabrera would've saved three instead of two and done it for less and been great in the clubhouse afterward. Ortiz would have waited until the last minute and there were 5 more girls in the water and then saved them all ARod would've done an incredible job diving in, getting the girls, pulling them almost all the way to the shore... and then would've failed miserably at the end. The cold water would've done a number on his Renteria definitely would have saved them, because it was a life or death situation. If he'd just gone in to get some kid's frisbee or something mundane, he probably would have jumped into the water and landed on a Duckboat, sinking it and killing dozens. Mueller's done this 10 times but you never heard a peep about it. Damon would have walked on the water until he got to them, then thrown them halfway back to the dock. Buck Showalter jumped in, grabbed the two girls, and was about ten feet from shore when Steinbrenner jumped into the water, pulled him away, and let Torre finish the rescue. If someone fell in the Harbor while Timlin was there, he would save them. Anyone in the Harbor before he arrived would drown. Manny would wonder what all the fuss was about followed by a double finger point salute to the girls. Derek Lowe would have bought the girls drinks all night and then fallen in with them. Myers would need to team up with Bradford since only one of the girls was left-handed. Bronson would have saved the girls, then brought them back to their dorm to party. Abe Alvarez wouldn't have seen them. If Bellhorn tried to dive in he would have missed the Millar would have shown up, sat on a park bench, talked to the cameras, came up with another slogan and contributed absolutely nothing, all while saying he's not the best athlete but brings other things to the table besides being able to swim, and rescue people. Grady would have left them out there too long. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:04:28 -0600 (MDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Last time I checked, the Cardinals are still in the playoffs. How soon we forget what happened last year..... ================= To: tknowles@sofast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:46:48 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Agreed. Now if only they were playing the Yankees ;-) Original Message: From: tknowles@sofast.net Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:04:28 -0600 (MDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Last time I checked, the Cardinals are still in the playoffs. How soon we forget what happened last year..... Yahoo! Groups Links mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:03:30 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Away for a bit... OBCers -- I'm heading to Madrid for two days of meetings with Airbus, then back home to collect up the whole tribe to head out on vacation. We are going to Russia - somewhere I've always wanted to go ever since the Cold War ended! I can't wait to get some vodka, caviar, and my furry hat! I'll be back Thursday for half a day before setting off, but I'm not sure if I'll be on the computer or not. Catch you all in about ten days! Take Care, Geno ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 18:03:06 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: An Angels Fan Perspective 1. The White Sox had simply outstanding starting pitchers 2. You can=92t beat both a good team and bad umpiring 3. If your bats go silent, you can=92t win anything. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.2/137 - Release Date: ================= To: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:26:00 -0500 From: "Mark Z" Subject: Premature Poll! whoever created the poll for houston vs chicago needs to respect the Cardinals at least a little by waiting until houston actually wins! "Lights out" wasn't tonight? No party in Houston tonight! Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 17:11:51 EDT To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: So you've had a rough day at work? Hi gang, Been rather quiet lately, but there hasn't been a lot to report here other than what must be close to two straight weeks of rain... and I was laughing at the neighbor for building that ark in the back yard. Nothing to brighten the day at the mailbox, just a few bills and the "pre-approved" credit card and loan offers they won't let me have when I apply for them. I also realized that the one decent card show in this area that happens in November falls on the same weekend I'll be on vacation in Florida visiting Mickey Mouse... bummer. Therefore, I've been looking to satisfy my "card tooth" (like a sweet tooth or ranch tooth if you've seen that commercial) and bought my first lots on eBay in quite a while - a couple $5 B.I.N. Red Man cards, some '71 Kellogg's stars and a very rare T205 hit to my list (Lennox). Even called Kit Young when his ad arrived today and found two cards - a Red Man Kiner and a cheap 66 McCovey that was listed at $14 if anyone needs it. Two cards he didn't have that I wanted were the '57 Mantle/Berra for $12.50 and a '62 Mays that was actually listed in 'awful' condition in the ad - would've loved to see that one. Work has been ...well, work for the most part, although things did get interesting a couple days ago. Seems as though a customer was looking for some help in the deli department the other morning and didn't see anyone behind the counter, so they asked someone from the seafood dept. to find someone. The clerk went behind the deli counter and that's when they noticed - feet. Apparently, a higher power decided that this guy's shift was over - eternally. Since I work overnight, I didn't know this man personally and those of you without a morbid sense of humor may want to discontinue reading at this point. Yesterday there was a meeting with some sort of counselor for anyone involved in this 'critical incident' as it was described. I couldn't imagine being the one to find some guy just laying there dead, but then after working in this company for the last 22 years, I probably would've really seen it all... although in that time I've worked with quite a number of people who (viewing the amount of work they did) may have been mistaken for laying there dead. I think the company will just as soon work you to death, but up until this point I've never heard of them having any success at that. If anyone's looking for a part time job, there's an open spot in our deli department. I'm not sure about the pay rate or benefits, but I can assure you that the working environment is poor - people are just dying to get out of work. And to think that customers were complaining about how slow our deli service was BEFORE this happened... "Can I get someone to slice up some bologna? What are they dead back there?" There, now you probably feel a little better about how your day at work went. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:57:45 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: deli/ Windows 2000 Pro/ both WEBTV Plus & MSN 9.0 for $21.95 month Good message Ken! I bet Howard likes that one too :-) Probably Glenn also I'd guess based on some of his messages over the years. Why are ya'll so slow back there? My GrandMa moves faster than some of ya'll! There's a joke in there for someone about cold cuts from the deli too! When I worked for a department store we had a guy die as he payed for his stuff. So I've heard similar jokes about the line moving so slow I'll be dead by the time I get to the register! Turns out the man was the Grandfather of one of our employees but we didn't know it till hours later. What's holding the line up..... .did somebody die?! At least 4 of us have a great (Or should I say weird?) sense of humor, even if the other 150 or so didn't like it :-) If it gets to game 7 Roger is on the mound! HERE WE GO ASTROS HERE WE Can anyone here help me with Windows 2000 Pro? I need to adjust my computer/modem to dial straight to MSN & not NetZero when I cut it on. It's a HP Pavllion 4550 with Windows 2000 Pro using MSN 9.0 dial up. I guess this might be the same thing as changing my HOME page? From here on is only for webtv/MSN-TV or MSN users or potential users: EEK, Doug etc.. For you webtv guys (now called MSNTV), MSN 9.0 dial up is $21.95 a month & you get webtv plus for free with it plus a FREE month for calling. So if you are paying $24.95 for webtv plus, you'll save $3/month & get a free month plus still have webtv (or webtv plus) AND have unlimited access to MSN dial up! I think you get 10 email boxes with MSN and other extras. I have my MSN home page setup where it shows my ebay stuff in progress, my 12 fav links, my last few emails rcvd, the GA lottery results, Marietta weather forecast, etc all at a glance/click or one scroll down. You can also have local movie theater listings & I think TV listings already on the screen for you plus info on MLB, NFL or whatever. So even if you do not have webtv plus (just reg webtv) I'd make the call anyway, just to get a free month before they change the rules, even if you don't plan to get a PC yet. You don't lose any of your webtv settings or emails by the way. You'll have a nice short email addy ending with " @MSN.com " which is another bonus since it is about as short as you can get. You can also us capital letters (ie Doug or EEK) & they have 4 character stuff available (3 is the minimum I think so it surprised me that a 4 letter email was available since they are tied to Hotmail also). ================= Date: 19 Oct 2005 08:07:37 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Are you in favor of instant replay for umpires in MLB? Poll ends Tuesday Oct 18th, 2005. CHOICES AND RESULTS - No, 13 votes, 72.22% - Yes but only under certain conditions., 2 votes, 11.11% - Yes 2 instant replay timeouts per game for each team., 2 votes, 11.11% - Yes but only in post season., 0 votes, 0.00% - Yes but only in the World Series., 1 votes, 5.56% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - No - tvalacak@d211.org - rrfarrell@yahoo.com - cardguybaseball@yahoo.com - obc_spike@yahoo.com - friar4@aol.com - dodgergeo@comcast.net - Originaleek@webtv.net - cjmdpi@yahoo.com - suzguy11@hotmail.com - gg.c1960@ntlworld.com - talbot1@comcast.net - chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com - JEdward@aol.com - Yes but only under certain conditions. - ChicoD1@aol.com - KEVINM38@aol.com - Yes 2 instant replay timeouts per game for each team. - keithsummers@webtv.net - wholla_m@bellsouth.net - Yes but only in post season. - Yes but only in the World Series. - meyergray@msn.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 02:22:47 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Astros or White Sox? ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 08:04:28 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: Apoligies Hello All, I just discovered that a couple of our members were trying to reach me via email and/or responding to my message & I did not respond. It turns out that they were blocked on my outlook and went straight to the trash & I never would see them. So.......If I have not responded to you please accept my apologies and I would ask you to send a quick message to me to see if the problem is fixed? If I do not respond them try the group server (if that is OK?) to flag this crazy situation I am in. At one piont I some how even blocked my email address..go fiqure Computers can help & hurt "too tech savory-not enough" ================= To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 20:07:00 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Shriner's Show The Shriner's (Wilmington, MA) show is in a few weeks. Is anyone planning on going? I think I will be there on Friday. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:42:52 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Helmar Brewing Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server but here goes... Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the snacks are only sold in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very happy. Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... _www.helmarbrewing.com_ (http://www.helmarbrewing.com) ================= To: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:30:55 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Very Cool Map of OBC http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/obc Add your location guys...let's fill this in ! I stole ( borrowed) this idea from the Network54Forum , so a thanks out to whoever found it. OBC Forever ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 02:22:56 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Walker & Talbot/ VCT poll/Old Cardboard Mag / McAvoy 30% rebate These 2 guys (Walker & Talbot) had their OBC vote erased on Monday when I edited the CLOSE date from Tues to Friday. So you will need to vote again. All others are ok but we only have 10 votes out of 160+ on Ramblings. The replay poll got 18 votes btw. FYI, in the VCT poll this week about MLB instant replay (if I remember correct), the vote was 5 YES (total) & 3 NO. And FTR, I did NOT recruit the YES people from OBC to vote in the VCT poll or anything like that, if it crossed your mind :-) It was basically held at the exact same time & the same choices except I added a "YES BUT ONLY ON FOUL BALLS" choice, which nobody voted for anyway. I started reading my last issue (#5) as a charter subscriber of Old Cardboard last night. They had a large (2 page) color pic of the Network54 forum guys ( http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652 ) in the COLLECTOR'S DUGOUT. This is my fav section, which profiles fellow hobbyists. The pic was on page 12/13 and it mentioned them as probably the largest "in person" meeting of an online collector group or such (36 counting the camera guy?). Tim Newcomb was the only face I recognized at 1st look. If I had looked closer before reading the names I would have known Jimi Thayer on the back row. I saw a few more familiar names like Brett & his dad Lyman (Editor), Andy Baran, Bryan Long & Dave Levin! A few guys IMO at least slightly resemble Don Roth, Steve Rittenberg or Ken Goetsch but that's just a side note. I'll pick up at pg 15 when I hit the bed :-) Other articles in this issue (#5/Fall 2005) are the A&G Premium Album A16: Showcase for all 50 N28 cards (pg 24), 16 Ghosts of Cooperstown (Profiles of lesser known HOFers), Baseball goes to the movies exhibit card style (pg 30), 1887 H807-17 Trade Carrds (early baseball cartoon ads) & the 2005 National in Chicago. I like that "Pirate Club" Pure Rye Whiskey bottle (from Hunt Auctions) on pg 42! For no more than $40 you can get all 5 back issues sent to you. For $23.50 you get a yr subscription (4 issues). I know some of you guys were eyeing those PSA 1911 T3 Turkey Reds on the http://www.MemoryLaneInc.com Buried Treasure IV Auction color flyer for Nov 16th, that was inserted in with the mag. They have a slew of T206s also with many different backs. I noticed something unusual on the orange flyer from http://www.McAvoySports.com (This is the specific URL which is just for their Naxcom site). They are giving FREE S&H plus Insurance ONLY from 10-31-05 to 11-6-05 for the 3rd round of the Naxcom II Vintage contest. But that is not the weird (GOOD) part. They also state a 30% rebate check on ALL purchases! I'm sure you guys up NE must have heard of them since they will be at FT Washington Dec 2-4 (booth #109) plus be back in March & May 2006. FTR I have never dealt with either place (as far as I know/but possibly on ebay I guess). Anyway, I'm not connected to ML Inc or McAvoy (just passing interesting info & links). ================= To: , Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:33:13 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing I agree, these are cool looking cards. Did you notice you can order the potato chips online? One case of 32 - 1.5 oz bags for $27.50 delivered, West Coast. Less for Central or East Coast delivery. Each bag contains 3 trading cards, so you get a total of 96 cards plus the chips for that price. Pretty tempting . . . -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server but here goes... Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the snacks are only sold in Michigan,Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very happy. Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 04:34:37 EDT To: familytoad@charter.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC I don't know why, but I have always been fascinated by maps. I think this is a great idea!!!!! ================= To: , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 09:45:10 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] McAvoy 30% rebatecheck? I've will check out their Naxcom rebate offer. It happens occasionally on Naxcom when Dealers are in a "who sells the most" contest. Personally, I've never spent a dime with McAvoy even though I see them at least 4x a year at Fort Washington. Their cards are usually too nice and too expensive for my budget so I can't recommend them. Oh. And the free S&H might be for purchases over $30 or $50. BFD. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 2:22 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Walker & Talbot/ VCT poll/Old Cardboard Mag / McAvoy 30% rebatecheck? > I noticed something unusual on the orange flyer from > http://www.McAvoySports.com (This is the specific URL which is just for > their Naxcom site). They are giving FREE S&H plus Insurance ONLY from > 10-31-05 to 11-6-05 for the 3rd round of the Naxcom II Vintage contest. > But that is not the weird (GOOD) part. They also state a 30% rebate > check on ALL purchases! I'm sure you guys up NE must have heard of them > since they will be at FT Washington Dec 2-4 (booth #109) plus be back in > March & May 2006. FTR I have never dealt with either place (as far as > I know/but possibly on ebay I guess). Anyway, I'm not connected to ML > Inc or McAvoy (just passing interesting info & links). ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 10:04:15 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Off to Chicago Starting Sunday until Thursday.. I will off to the windy city on a business trip. I am staying exactly in Bloomingdale at the Indian Lakes resort. I am not sure how much availability I will have even in the evenings but if anyone has some suggestions on a great store to hit nearby, or can send me a phone number I will contact you to let you know my availability. I will not be getting a rental car as the conference is at the resort. John Leroux ================= To: , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:45:47 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing One card company, Arentsen's has quite a few cards on Ebay. They run from $1.50 to about $4.00 apiece if you 'Buy it now'. They also had some unopenedpotato chip bags but some clown, (me), used the 'buy it now' option and snatched them up. The site itself is very interesting with cool bios, links and stuff you can buy and collect. Seems all the states around me sell theirproducts, (Kentucky, Illinois & Ohio), but not Indiana. One more thing, there are 72 cards in the set, I think. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server but here goes... Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the snacks are only sold in Michigan,Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very happy. Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:04:39 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing In a message dated 10/21/2005 12:00:19 PM Central Standard Time, yazobc@insightbb.com writes: One card company, Arentsen's has quite a few cards on Ebay. They run from $1.50 to about $4.00 apiece if you 'Buy it now'. They also had some unopened potato chip bags but some clown, (me), used the 'buy it now' option and snatched them up. The site itself is very interesting with cool bios, links and stuff you can buy and collect. Seems all the states around me sell their products, (Kentucky, Illinois & Ohio), but not Indiana. One more thing, there are 72 cards in the set, I think. Greg (yaz) Got an email into my family in Cleveland to buy up all they can. Hopefully, I will have some stuff to pass along. gm ================= To: , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:37:59 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Well I just bought a case. $25.50 for 96 cards + 32 bags of chips seems like a good deal to me. Hopefully I'll have some dups! thanks for the heads up Josh! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server but here goes... Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the snacks are only sold in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 13:58:13 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing I will happily chip in for any Red Sox available. Of course, I could eat some chips too if needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donaldson" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing > Well I just bought a case. $25.50 for 96 cards + 32 bags of chips seems > like a good deal to me. Hopefully I'll have some dups! > thanks for the heads up Josh! > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:43 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing > Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server > but here goes... > Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into > their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they > picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick > so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website > suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that > seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the > snacks are only sold in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to > get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a > potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very > happy. > Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... > www.helmarbrewing.com > Joshua > _____ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings > " on the web. > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > _____ ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 18:13:51 GMT From: "Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants" Subject: Re: Helmar Brewing Careful what you wish for, I also ordered a case....of each flavor. If these chips are anything like the Topps Gum, I'll be forwarding quite a few your way. ;) Dupes will be available as fast as Steve and I can eat the chips ! If anyone has access to the labels and crowns, I'd love to start a set of each of those too. Thanks for bringing these to our attention Josh, very neat items ! Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\) writes: > I will happily chip in for any Red Sox available. Of course, I could eat > some chips too if needed. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Donaldson" > To: ; > Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:37 PM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing >> Well I just bought a case. $25.50 for 96 cards + 32 bags of chips seems >> like a good deal to me. Hopefully I'll have some dups! >> thanks for the heads up Josh! >> Bob >> -----Original Message----- >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com >> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:43 PM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing >> Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server >> but here goes... >> Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into >> their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they >> picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick >> so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website >> suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that >> seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the >> snacks are only sold in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to >> get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a >> potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very >> happy. >> Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... >> www.helmarbrewing.com >> Joshua >> _____ >> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >> * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings >> " on the web. >> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> >> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >> Service . >> _____ > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/QBiolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:53:55 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Helmar checklist For what it's worth, Bucket online has a checklist for the new Helmar set. I've sent it to the UV server. The checklist has 57 items. ================= To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:52:52 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Does anyone know if there are any Tigers among these? -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Sent: 21 October 2005 18:58 To: Wite3@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing I will happily chip in for any Red Sox available. Of course, I could eat some chips too if needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donaldson" To: ; Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing > Well I just bought a case. $25.50 for 96 cards + 32 bags of chips seems > like a good deal to me. Hopefully I'll have some dups! > thanks for the heads up Josh! > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 11:43 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing > Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server > but here goes... > Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into > their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they > picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick > so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website > suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that > seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the > snacks are only sold in Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to > get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a > potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very > happy. > Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... > www.helmarbrewing.com > Joshua > _____ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings > " on the web. > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service . > _____ Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:16:00 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Helmar -- ps I went to the Helmar site after I found the checklist at Beckett.com. There are cards (which come with chips) and crowns (which come with beer). If they are different, then I don't know which checklist I found. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" , "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:44:14 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar -- ps There are also labels from the beer bottles. I might just have to pull down a few of these bad boys, Anything for the old collection and items to share with others. ;-) REGARDS ----------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- I went to the Helmar site after I found the checklist at Beckett.com. There are cards (which come with chips) and crowns (which come with beer). If they are different, then I don't know which checklist I found. SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:45:51 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar -- ps And the 4 pack box cartons too ! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of talbot1@comcast.net Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 2:44 PM To: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink); Ramblings Cc: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar -- ps There are also labels from the beer bottles. I might just have to pull down a few of these bad boys, Anything for the old collection and items to share with others. ;-) REGARDS ----------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- I went to the Helmar site after I found the checklist at Beckett.com. There are cards (which come with chips) and crowns (which come with beer). If they are different, then I don't know which checklist I found. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:55:12 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: A-1 Dealer recommendation I just received a big box of cards from OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison. John is one of the best guys out there. I sent him my list and he pulled cards and cards and cards. The price? 8% of BV but these aren't Tiptons. No writing, holes or tears that I saw. And the service? The box arrived BEFORE I paid. Not "before the check cleared" but "before I paid". I wrote the check but carried it around. How many dealers trust us enough to send the cards first AND have rock-bottom prices? You can reach John at oldbbcards@aol.com ================= To: "'Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)'" , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:07:01 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation I just want to echo Steve's comments. I have also dealt with John on several occasions and have always gotten well under 10% of BV. John has no problems looking over my lists and then pulling cards, tons of cards, and sending before he gets payment. In my latest transaction (early Sept) I also received my cards before I even got the check out the door. A true stand-up guy and by far my favorite seller. It's rare to find anyone that has this approach to collectors anymore, it's generally he who has the most money wins. Thanks again John and I'll be in touch with you again soon ! |-----Original Message----- |From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve |Rittenberg (Earthlink) |Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 3:55 PM |To: Ramblings |Cc: John Morrison |Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation |I just received a big box of cards from OBC-friendly dealer |John Morrison. |John is one of the best guys out there. I sent him my list |and he pulled |cards and cards and cards. The price? 8% of BV but these |aren't Tiptons. |No writing, holes or tears that I saw. And the service? |The box arrived |BEFORE I paid. Not "before the check cleared" but "before I |paid". I wrote |the check but carried it around. How many dealers trust us |enough to send |the cards first AND have rock-bottom prices? |You can reach John at oldbbcards@aol.com |------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor |Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! |your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/QBiolB/TM |Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 17:59:00 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: FYI Book on 21 Collections I just picked up a coffee table book ($30) titled "Smithsonian Baseball" byStephen It has nothing much to do about the Smithsonian (other than they paid for the production) but a lot to do about 21 collections of pre-1960 baseball memorabilia. eg Bill Mastro, Marshall Fogel, Penny Marshall.. It is beautifully illustrated and well written. There are plenty of cards and in depth background on items. It is one of the few baseball books geared to the hobbyist/collector more than the fan. Take a look the next time you are in a bookstore. It is just out, I believe. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:15:25 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, keithsummers@webtv.net, From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] McAvoy 30% rebatecheck? I have dealt with McAvoy on Naxcom but have found them too expensive when I went to the Naxcom show here in Denver. I found on Naxcom thatt heir cards were reasonably priced course I was down to last few cards to complete set. ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" , Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:45:52 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Hopefully, you'll also have some dips. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Donaldson Sent: 21 October 2005 18:38 To: Wite3@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Well I just bought a case. $25.50 for 96 cards + 32 bags of chips seems like a good deal to me. Hopefully I'll have some dups! thanks for the heads up Josh! ================= To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:41:46 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC What a fantastic idea!! Thanks for getting this off the ground, Toad! Be sure to pan across the big blue bit to the right of the States, guys. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lindholme Sent: 21 October 2005 06:31 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/obc Add your location guys...let's fill this in ! I stole ( borrowed) this idea from the Network54Forum , so a thanks out to whoever found it. OBC Forever YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:17:13 -0600 From: "Marshall West" Subject: I'm in! ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:01:05 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: from Helmar Prez Charles Mandel From: "Charles Mandel" To: Subject: RE: Question:Atlanta GA Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 15:52:17 -0400 From: KeithSummers@webtv.net [mailto:KeithSummers@webtv.net] To: info@helmarbrewing.com Subject: Question:Atlanta GA ================= To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:31:23 -0400 From: Scott Earle Subject: Helmar Brewing cards makes me come alive :) HI ALL- I know ive been absent for quite awhile now, but this subject has raised a eyebrow with me, I've been reading on these did a yahoo search and now I'm jazzed to get some of these. If you remember, I'm a avid collector of Japanese and Negro Lge items (and all the other stuff that make OBC so special) So, I'll be on the prowl for these (the whole set). So who ever is collecting these pls keep me in yer loop as who needs what :-) I read all posts btw - I'm going thru a rough time in my life still, things not going well in the life of Squirrel, but hey, these new cards are a spirit lifter! GOD BLESS you all ================= To: "'Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:35:33 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation I echo Steve's sentiments. I have completed many transactions with Mr. Morrison over the last two years, and I have nothing but positive Erik Greenwood -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:55 PM To: Ramblings Cc: John Morrison Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation I just received a big box of cards from OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison. John is one of the best guys out there. I sent him my list and he pulled cards and cards and cards. The price? 8% of BV but these aren't Tiptons. No writing, holes or tears that I saw. And the service? The box arrived BEFORE I paid. Not "before the check cleared" but "before I paid". I wrote the check but carried it around. How many dealers trust us enough to send the cards first AND have rock-bottom prices? You can reach John at oldbbcards@aol.com Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:08:49 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Count me in (Helmar) OK, I've ordered some too. Like the others, I'll post my dups/wants when Ican. I wonder how long it takes to eat a case of potato chips? -Dave Fallen ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:13:37 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Count me in (Helmar) I ordered a case of Cheddar and Sour Cream. With 3 kids in grade school my case will probably last less than 2 weeks. -Bob Reed >From: "Dave Fallen" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Count me in (Helmar) >Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 21:08:49 -0700 >OK, I've ordered some too. Like the others, I'll post my dups/wants when I >can. I wonder how long it takes to eat a case of potato chips? >-Dave Fallen ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 22:29:40 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs Subject: Helmers So who out there in OBC land wants to take on the role of bootlegger and meet me at the border with a truck load of Helmer's 4-packs? I'd really like to get the cases and the bottle caps (and drink lots of beer too) Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 23:05:54 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs Subject: Helmers So i'm wondering how us non-American types get our hands on these cool Helmer things? Doesn't seem fair that they don't send their chips and beer to places like Scotland, England, the Phillipines, Hawaii, or Canada. Grrrrrrrr Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 03:52:52 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation Put me on that list of John Morrison's satisfied customers. I have dealt with him for years, with many transactions over the past few months, and the deals have been close to spactacular!!! ================= Date: 22 Oct 2005 08:12:05 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Who will you be pulling for in the World Series? Poll ends Friday 10-21-05. CHOICES AND RESULTS - Houston Astros!, 3 votes, 25.00% - Chicago White Sox!, 9 votes, 75.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Houston Astros! - Originaleek@webtv.net - keithsummers@webtv.net - obc_spike@yahoo.com - Chicago White Sox! - meyergray@msn.com - KEVINM38@aol.com - directorth@aol.com - cjmdpi@yahoo.com - talbot1@comcast.net - JEdward@aol.com - dcoen@willamette.edu - tvalacak@d211.org - wguthrie@axint.net For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 09:15:54 GMT To: familytoad@charter.net From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC Content-Disposition: inline Great idea! But for some reason it won't take my posting -- "Brian Lindholme" wrote: http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/obc Add your location guys...let's fill this in ! I stole ( borrowed) this idea from the Network54Forum , so a thanks out to whoever found it. OBC ForeverBrian YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:23:50 -0400 From: "Joe Greco" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation Me as well. I have only dealt with John thru E-bay, but it has been a smooth and easy deal each time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of friar4@aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 3:53 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: OLDBBCARDS@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-1 Dealer recommendation Put me on that list of John Morrison's satisfied customers. I have dealt with him for years, with many transactions over the past few months, and the deals have been close to spactacular!!! SPONSORED LINKS card supply card display case card protector card holder ryan baseball card baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 08:26:33 -0400 From: "Joe Greco" Subject: Grizzly Don't know about you all, but I like to see a larger version of Howard Morgans picture from Frapper. How bout it? Joe Greco Upper Hanover Montgomery County Pa ================= To: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 13:55:57 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Grizzly Howard's looking a lot better than last time I saw him! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joe Greco Sent: 22 October 2005 13:27 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Grizzly Don't know about you all, but I like to see a larger version of Howard Morgans picture from Frapper. How bout it? Joe Greco Upper Hanover Montgomery County Pa YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 07:26:25 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Fw: Helmar checklist Below is a message from the President (!) of Helmar Brewing in response to my query about a checklist for the Helmar trading cards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Mandel" To: "'Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)'" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: RE: Question: > Hello Steve, > The list you submitted is accurate but not complete. Our position is that > our cards won't be numbered or checklisted because that takes a certain > bit > of fun out of the collecting experience. Some people disagree but we have > had quite a few emails where collectors specifically said that they > enjoyed > not knowing what was out there. > I suppose that I could tell you that there were 74 cards and that I have > seen a complete checklist, so some fellows figured it out by working > together. If you write to bfleischer@beckett.com I think he can help. I > know > he worked hard on one. > I think that trading is also half the fun of collecting, Brian at that > email > may still be looking to trade. > Have a great weekend. > Charles Mandel > President > Helmar Brewing, LLC > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:15 AM > To: info@helmarbrewing.com > Subject: Question: > Hi. My friends at www.oldbaseball.com have been turned on to the Trading > Cards you are putting in your chips. In fact, at least 10 of us have > ordered cases of chips in the last couple of days. Many people have > asked > about a checklist for the Trading Cards. The website does not provide > one. > I found one on Beckett.com but I'd like you to confirm it, if possible. > Thanks > 2005 Helmar > Number Name > 1 George Anderson-House of David > 2 Frank Baker > 3 Walter Ball > 4 Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team > 5 Cool Papa Bell > 6 Moe Berg > 7 Kaoru Betto > 8 Dennis Biddle > 9 Sherwood Brewer > 10 Mordecai Brown > 11 Ray Caldwell > 12 Ray Chapman > 13 James Cobbin > 14 Jimmie Crutchfield > 15 Kiki Cuyler > 16 Lloyd Dalager > 17 Leon Daniels > 18 Eddie Deal > 19 Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst > 20 Martin Dihigo > 21 Bill Donovan > 22 Johnny Evers > 23 Happy Felsch > 24 Elmer Flick > 25 Sadayoshi Fujimoto > 26 Chick Gandil > 27 Goto-Japanese League Player > 28 Vean Gregg-Sic Gragg > 29 Art Hamilton > 30 Dave Harrison > 31 Joe Hauser > 32 Pete Hill > 33 Miller Huggins > 34 Joe Jackson-Chicago > 35 Joe Jackson-Cleveland > 36 Hugh Jennings > 37 Dave Jones > 38 Cecil Kaiser > 39 Tetsuharu Kawakami > 40 Tokuji Lida > 41 Dave Malarcher > 42 Hugh McAleer > 43 John McGraw > 44 Jiro Noguchi > 45 Herb Pennock > 46 Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe > 47 Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled > 48 Billy Rogell > 49 Jesse Lee Tally > 50 Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi > 51 John Tucker > 52 Rube Waddell > 53 Moses Walker > 54 Percy Walker > 55 Johnny Washington > 56 Buck Weaver > 57 Ross Youngs > Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "'Ramblings'" Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 13:27:34 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Helmar checklist This is what I love about Steve. One minute he's dealing with plebs like us, the next he's rubbing shoulders with Presidents! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) Sent: 23 October 2005 12:26 To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Helmar checklist Below is a message from the President (!) of Helmar Brewing in response to my query about a checklist for the Helmar trading cards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Mandel" To: "'Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)'" Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 1:03 AM Subject: RE: Question: > Hello Steve, > The list you submitted is accurate but not complete. Our position is that > our cards won't be numbered or checklisted because that takes a certain > bit > of fun out of the collecting experience. Some people disagree but we have > had quite a few emails where collectors specifically said that they > enjoyed > not knowing what was out there. > I suppose that I could tell you that there were 74 cards and that I have > seen a complete checklist, so some fellows figured it out by working > together. If you write to bfleischer@beckett.com I think he can help. I > know > he worked hard on one. > I think that trading is also half the fun of collecting, Brian at that > email > may still be looking to trade. > Have a great weekend. > Charles Mandel > President > Helmar Brewing, LLC > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] > Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:15 AM > To: info@helmarbrewing.com > Subject: Question: > Hi. My friends at www.oldbaseball.com have been turned on to the Trading > Cards you are putting in your chips. In fact, at least 10 of us have > ordered cases of chips in the last couple of days. Many people have > asked > about a checklist for the Trading Cards. The website does not provide > one. > I found one on Beckett.com but I'd like you to confirm it, if possible. > Thanks > 2005 Helmar > Number Name > 1 George Anderson-House of David > 2 Frank Baker > 3 Walter Ball > 4 Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team > 5 Cool Papa Bell > 6 Moe Berg > 7 Kaoru Betto > 8 Dennis Biddle > 9 Sherwood Brewer > 10 Mordecai Brown > 11 Ray Caldwell > 12 Ray Chapman > 13 James Cobbin > 14 Jimmie Crutchfield > 15 Kiki Cuyler > 16 Lloyd Dalager > 17 Leon Daniels > 18 Eddie Deal > 19 Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst > 20 Martin Dihigo > 21 Bill Donovan > 22 Johnny Evers > 23 Happy Felsch > 24 Elmer Flick > 25 Sadayoshi Fujimoto > 26 Chick Gandil > 27 Goto-Japanese League Player > 28 Vean Gregg-Sic Gragg > 29 Art Hamilton > 30 Dave Harrison > 31 Joe Hauser > 32 Pete Hill > 33 Miller Huggins > 34 Joe Jackson-Chicago > 35 Joe Jackson-Cleveland > 36 Hugh Jennings > 37 Dave Jones > 38 Cecil Kaiser > 39 Tetsuharu Kawakami > 40 Tokuji Lida > 41 Dave Malarcher > 42 Hugh McAleer > 43 John McGraw > 44 Jiro Noguchi > 45 Herb Pennock > 46 Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe > 47 Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled > 48 Billy Rogell > 49 Jesse Lee Tally > 50 Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi > 51 John Tucker > 52 Rube Waddell > 53 Moses Walker > 54 Percy Walker > 55 Johnny Washington > 56 Buck Weaver > 57 Ross Youngs > Steve Rittenberg Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 ================= To: "'Ramblings'" Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:19:51 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: FW: Helmar Collectibles question I also received a reponse to my message from the president and an offer to include OBC in a future email newsletter or a link on the Helmar website. Anybody want to make that call ? |-----Original Message----- |From: Charles Mandel [mailto:cmandel@helmarbrewing.com] |Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:54 PM |To: 'Shawn Adkins' |Subject: RE: Collectibles question |I'm not sure where Atlanta, MO is, but we are negotiating to |purchase a number of old buildings originally belonging to a |historic 1857 brewery in Quincy, IL. It is across the river |from MO and about two hours north of St Louis. |All the cards should have the scratch off on the back. I know |that there have been a handful of various printing errors, but |there are no purposeful variations. There are also two or |three spelling errors or other errors on cards. We have not |decided whether or not to correct them. I am leaning toward |not correcting them. |I had not heard of the OBC before, but I followed your link |and it sounds like a great organization. If you would like a |plug for your organization in a future Helmar email newsletter |or temp link at our site let me know. |Thanks, Shawn. |Charles Mandel |Helmar Brewing, LLC ================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 10:45:28 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Helmar checklist In a message dated 10/23/2005 6:27:58 AM Central Daylight Time, srittenberg66@earthlink.net writes: Charles Mandel > President > Helmar Brewing, LLC with a name like that, you know it has to be good! ================= To: , Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 09:51:10 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Well, a little more digging on the Helmar site has shown that I was wrong. There is an Indiana distributor for the Helmar brew. It's quite a bit northof here but there is a phone number I can call. Also, for those that want an full set of the first series of crowns, (24 caps), Helmar will send one to anyone that donates $100. to their charity that places gravestones on unmarked graves of deceased ballplayers. Apparently, the Joe Jackson crowns are fetching $20.00 plus prices on ebay and the Ruths are jumping up too. Ofthe cards I saw on ebay for sale by Arentsen's, the Jackson started at $20.00. I don't know if he had a bid yet. Following the example of several OBCers, I too ordered a couple of cases of chips. I don't eat that stuff though. Luckily Wade and Trish do, though the 2006 set will probably be out before they finish them. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 10:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helmar Brewing Hello all...not sure if this is a ramble or should be on the UV server but here goes... Helmar Brewing has produced sports cards that they are inserting into their bags of snack foods...what makes these different is that they picture vintage players. The cool thing is that they are designed thick so they do not fit into standard holders...in fact their website suggests using rubber bands!! I love the attitude of this company that seems to be run by true fans of the old game. My problem is that the snacks are only sold in Michigan,Ohio, and Wisconsin. I would love to get my hands on some of these cards. If anyone in those states is a potato chip fan and gets dups they want to send my way I would be very happy. Check out their website too...pretty cool stuff for a modern company... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "'Shawn Adkins'" , Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 16:19:47 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: Helmar Collectibles question I'll wait till I taste the chips but we may have a candidate for the "Official Potato Chip of OBC"! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Adkins Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 10:20 AM To: 'Ramblings' Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: Helmar Collectibles question I also received a reponse to my message from the president and an offer include OBC in a future email newsletter or a link on the Helmar Anybody want to make that call ? |-----Original Message----- |From: Charles Mandel [mailto:cmandel@helmarbrewing.com] |Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 11:54 PM |To: 'Shawn Adkins' |Subject: RE: Collectibles question |I'm not sure where Atlanta, MO is, but we are negotiating to |purchase a number of old buildings originally belonging to a |historic 1857 brewery in Quincy, IL. It is across the river |from MO and about two hours north of St Louis. |All the cards should have the scratch off on the back. I know |that there have been a handful of various printing errors, but |there are no purposeful variations. There are also two or |three spelling errors or other errors on cards. We have not |decided whether or not to correct them. I am leaning toward |not correcting them. |I had not heard of the OBC before, but I followed your link |and it sounds like a great organization. If you would like a |plug for your organization in a future Helmar email newsletter |or temp link at our site let me know. |Thanks, Shawn. |Charles Mandel |Helmar Brewing, LLC Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:55:17 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: October 23 Waiver Wire hi all this is my 10/23 waiver wire 1955 Bowman #110 1955 Topps #81 1956 topps # 74/277 1959 Topps 362/373 1962 topps # 84 1965 topps #97/104/105/126 rob gioia ================= To: , Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 21:42:39 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC Gents and Ladies, We are up to 61 mappers on Frapper. I think that represents only about 1/2 of OBC....as many have mentioned, this map could serve very useful if you were planning a road trip :) Keep 'em coming ! OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Friar4@aol.com To: familytoad@charter.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC I don't know why, but I have always been fascinated by maps. I think thisis a great idea!!!!! ================= Date: 24 Oct 2005 12:37:25 -0000 To: "Brian Lindholme" , , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC I just added mine Saturday and the site is great!!! This really does let you know where your nearest OBCers are. Terrific for planning swap sessions. ------------- Original message follows ------------- Gents and Ladies, We are up to 61 mappers on Frapper. I think that represents only about 1/2 of OBC....as many have mentioned, this map could serve very useful if you were planning a road trip :) Keep 'em coming ! OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Friar4@aol.com To: familytoad@charter.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Cool Map of OBC I don't know why, but I have always been fascinated by maps. I think this is a great idea!!!!! ================= Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 13:29:33 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: 1978 (x9) Set Project I have heard Brian Lindholme speak about the joys of his 71 Football quest. Steve Rittenberg has recently started his 1975 Topps Set x9 quest. I don't know if its an excuse to avoid looking, or more importantly paying, for all those Mantles I need to complete sets, the fact that I can eventually see one of my favorite cards fill up an enitre page, or simply the fact that the old wantlist is getting difficult to hit. I am going to start my 1978 (x9) set - the first year I started collecting. I have the 5 inch binder and sheets at the ready. I will post a wantlist this week (the whole list save one or two cards.) By the way the card I am referring to above in the Reggie Jackson. I am not particularly crazy about Jackson, but that card captues his swing perfectly. Erik Greenwood ================= To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:29:47 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: 60 tattoos ive been approached by a guy looking to trade me 20 unopened packs of these. my question is, are these searchable? any input is appreciated. thanks, kit ================= To: "'Ramblings'" Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 19:34:46 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: Non-sport card help I picked up a batch up non-sport cards today. They are a mixture of advertising and tobacco cards, but I don't know a thing about them. Trains, cars, boats, racers, etc. I have posted scans of the front and back of the cards (31 of them to start with) here if anyone might be able to help me identify any or all of 'em. Many different locations mentioned on the copyright lines... Glasgow, London, Ireland, Great Britan, etc. Caution, high speed connection is recommended... http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/misc.htm Thanks a bunch, ================= To: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:42:59 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: ?????????? anyone else having trouble accessing the OBC site ? ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 00:13:54 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Anyone want to share cost of large lot? I recently received a large auction win of high quality Topps cards from 1958-66. I went through the lot and upgraded my sets, but I have a ton of dupes, most of which are still between EX and NM. (There was quite a bit of duplication of cards in the lot.) I would like to trade these for any cards on my want list. If you would like to share in the cost of the lot, I need to get 40% of the condition-adjusted value of the cards to break-even (for example, 20% of high book for EX cards), plus postage. I will list the card numbers, but I am too lazy to try to grade each card and list the grade. If you want some of these cards, just identify the cards and let me know a range of condition you are interested in (for example, "less than EX", or "EXMT or better", etc). If you want to put a maximum on what you would like to invest, let me know. Otherwise, I will send you the cards and let you be the judge of the value. If you would like, I will give you a rough estimate that is not a fixed price, because I want you to feel like you got as good a deal as I did. Thanks for taking a look, 1958 Topps: 33 57 68 249 251 253 318 395 405 428 438 441 491 1959 Topps: 52 293 298 306 317 338 345 392 398 447 456 466 1960 Topps: 155 173 174 365 408 420 448 513 523 524 568 569 1961 Topps: 7 17 20 21 25 30 43 45 48 63 65 86 88 98 100 106 109 110 122 136 138 168 180 185 211 213 327 361 380 398 403 410 416 434 444 451 483 491 495 505 1962 Topps: 4 7 14 17 21 51 54 57 59 60 67 79 85 90 93 94 111 132 135 158 160 175 176 180 185 194 213 217 228 230 243 260 286 294 314 315 317 325 358 370 375 381 392 396 399 429 440 463 481 513 518 520 522 523 525 532 547 551 563 564 588 1963 Topps: 1 4 6 7 13 15 39 43 54 63 68 80 108 126 135 138 141 142 150 151 155 158 162 169 180 190 206 233 237 270 288 317 328 337 398 439 442 445 450 503 510 515 521 535 539 541 554 571 1964 Topps: 5 13 28 37 40 41 68 71 87 88 97 109 156 160 178 182 188 226 232 240 247 262 265 267 285 337 348 368 378 393 425 438 445 483 516 519 533 552 553 556 557 558 563 569 575 1965 Topps: 13 37 39 52 54 71 81 86 93 95 97 99 100 103 111 118 127 145 162 177 186 190 205 208 253 258 259 263 265 269 276 279 280 283 308 328 343 355 368 386 387 391 408 411 414 419 437 439 440 452 461 465 466 477 498 514 520 523 525 527 529 530 537 543 544 546 548 551 552 556 558 559 560 561 564 565 567 578 579 580 584 585 587 589 590 592 594 595 597 598 1966 Topps: 19 28 30 33 70 85 90 92 93 99 103 110 116 125 126 131 167 170 189 190 192 195 200 219 225 234 267 275 293 363 372 380 385 386 397 424 426 435 444 445 455 456 457 459 461 462 465 466 467 471 473 474 487 489 491 493 531 534 536 542 549 585 ================= To: "'Ed Schott'" , Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:41:21 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? Yes indeed! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Schott Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 6:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? anyone else having trouble accessing the OBC site ? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings"OBC-Ramblings" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/148 - Release Date: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/148 - Release Date: ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 08:49:21 EDT To: grains@dccnet.com, easchott@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? no i can get in to it ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:54:35 -0700 (PDT) To: Ed Schott , From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? I had no trouble getting in and around the site. Ed Schott wrote:anyone else having trouble accessing the OBC site ? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:17:46 -0400 From: "obcbobd@comcast.net" Subject: My first pack of BB Cards (1967 Topps Red Sox Stickers) I have a very strong memory of walking to the store with my father and sister when I was 5. He let each of us buy a pack of cards. I bought a pack of the 1967 Topps Red Sox stickers and placed them (3 I believe) on my Mickey Mouse Toy Box. One of the stickers survived childhood. I was thinking of starting the set. Does anyone have an idea of how expensive they are and how easy to find? I don't see to many on eBay. Does anyone have any they'd like to trade? I could dig up some pre-war or 50's star mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:23:16 EDT To: obcbobd@comcast.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My first pack of BB Cards (1967 Topps Red Sox Stickers) In a message dated 10/26/2005 8:19:21 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net writes: I have a very strong memory of walking to the store with my father and sister when I was 5. He let each of us buy a pack of cards. I bought a pack of the 1967 Topps Red Sox stickers and placed them (3 I believe) on my Mickey Mouse Toy Box. One of the stickers survived childhood. I was thinking of starting the set. Does anyone have an idea of how expensive they are and how easy to find? I don't see to many on eBay. Does anyone have any they'd like to trade? I could dig up some pre-war or 50's star i think those mickey mouse toy boxes are very rare ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 09:33:57 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? Monday night: couldn't access at home using dial up Tuesday: no problem from work Tuesday night: again couldn't access at home Wednesday: no problem at work. -Bob R >From: "Ed Schott" >Reply-To: "Ed Schott" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? >Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 21:42:59 -0400 >anyone else having trouble accessing the OBC site ? ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 06:42:13 -0700 (PDT) To: obcbobd@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My first pack of BB Cards (1967 Topps Red Sox Stickers) >I was > thinking of starting the set. Does anyone have an idea of how expensive > they are and how easy to find? I don't see to many on eBay. Does anyone > have any they'd like to trade? I could dig up some pre-war or 50's star > cards. Hey Bob, I run a search for these each morning, still in search of the #5. Experience says eBay averages about 3 or 4 a month at best. Once a year or so, someone posts a bunch of them in PSA holders. There have been maybe three lots of multiple cards since I started looking in 2002, since the individual cards seem rare enough to get good interest. Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Matthew Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:56:10 GMT From: "Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants" Subject: Re: My first pack of BB Cards (1967 Topps Red Sox Stickers) http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&fccl=1&fstype1&from=R10&catref=C6&fcl=4&satitle=red+sox+sticker*+topps+1967&sacat=-1%26ca The slabbed copies are out of sight, but there are a few reasonible ones Matthew writes: >>I was >> thinking of starting the set. Does anyone have an idea of how expensive >> they are and how easy to find? I don't see to many on eBay. Does anyone >> have any they'd like to trade? I could dig up some pre-war or 50's star >> cards. > Hey Bob, > I run a search for these each morning, still in search of the #5. Experience > says eBay averages about 3 or 4 a month at best. Once a year or so, someone > posts a bunch of them in PSA holders. There have been maybe three lots of > multiple cards since I started looking in 2002, since the individual cards seem > rare enough to get good interest. > Spike > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> > Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page > http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/QBiolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:03:01 EDT To: boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? In a message dated 10/26/2005 8:35:14 AM Central Standard Time, boreed@hotmail.com writes: Monday night: couldn't access at home using dial up Tuesday: no problem from work Tuesday night: again couldn't access at home Wednesday: no problem at work. -Bob R bob: its obvious. you need to stay at work 24/7 ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 10:03:27 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ?????????? I have been having trouble off and on with the website myself ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 12:46:04 EDT To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: New diet Hi gang, I got this phone call a couple days ago. It was from Helmar Brewing. They were out of the sour cream and cheddar chips I ordered a case of on Sunday. I substituted the BBQ flavor instead. This morning, the doorbell rings and I see the FedEx driver running across the street back to her truck. (Do I have a reputation among package and mail deliverers?) I grab the box off the front porch and whisk it inside. It was time for my mid-morning snack anyway, so I immediately tore into a bag... which quickly became four bags - only 28 more to go. I have until Jan. 6th, so I'll try to space things out. I'll probably put on 20 pounds by the end of the week though - I never said my new diet was going to help me LOSE weight. So far, I have 12 cards from the set, but I also have to report heavy duplication. I already have dupes of Jennings (Detroit), 'Double Duty' Radcliffe, Moe Berg (got 3!) and J. Crutchfield (Negro Lea. - 3 also). Other notable cards include Buck Weaver (who has printing at the top of the card noting "expelled in scandal"), a Chunichi Dragons player named Goto (hi Kent) and I even got a boxer - Battling Nelson. That one's a little thinner than the baseball players. It might also explain the difference between Steve's 57-card checklist and the message from Helmar's President stating there were 74 cards... Steve's only showed the baseball players. The cards themselves are a cross between T206's and Donruss puzzle pieces. The format is similar to the old tobacco cards, although they have a somewhat two-toned brown border - looks a little like wood, but there's no grain like the 62 Topps. They're very thick, so it's almost impossible to ding a corner or put a crease in them, but I noticed the back borders chip easily and there's always the gold circle on the back to scratch off to ruin their 'mint' status. So far, all the ones I've scratched off have revealed "$1.00 Coupon". These can be used to buy products at helmarbrewing.com (up to 50% of the purchase price before shipping). Most of what I saw there was $15.00 T-shirts, but they had some neat pictures of vintage cards/ballplayers to put on the shirt. That's all to report so far. All this snacking has made me kinda sleepy, so I'm off to my nap. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 14:50:04 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Long Island National The Third Annual Long Island National is this weekend. Is anybody planning to attend? ================= To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:57:23 -0400 From: "Joe Greco" Subject: Helmar My case of BBQ arrived today. The chips are good. Not great, but certainly very edible. I have DUPES. Jesse Lee Tally JJ McGraw All unscratched. Joe Greco Upper Hanover Montgomery County Pa ================= To: "vct" , Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:04:15 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: combined shipping on muti wins question Hello All, I won 11 auctions of a single card each from a jrs_treasures2005 on ebay. He does not want to provide any combine shipping and each lot was 2 dollars shipping....A total of $22 shipping. I remember about one of us having thatproblem & ended up telling the ebay seller & ended up paying in full & then brought the emails to the post office & they got some $ back. Please let me know more about this & exactly what is illegal in this matterso I can set this crook up to repay me. If not I may just not pay and see what happens. If they are smart they will send me 11 different envelopes & still make out. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:33:26 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a little less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty reasonable. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:04:59 -0700 (PDT) To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Long Island National I would go Jeff......is it at Hofstra? jdelott@aol.com wrote:The Third Annual Long Island National is this weekend. Is anybody planning to attend? SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= To: "vct" , Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 21:22:14 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on muti wins question Isn't it illegal for a seller to refuse to combine shipping UNLESS he mailseach item separately? Is that the legal issue? I'm not sure, though-- someone else probably knows about this-- ----- Original Message ----- From: ant To: vct ; obc rambling Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 8:04 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on muti wins question Hello All, I won 11 auctions of a single card each from a jrs_treasures2005 on ebay.He does not want to provide any combine shipping and each lot was 2 dollars shipping....A total of $22 shipping. I remember about one of us having that problem & ended up telling the ebay seller & ended up paying in full & then brought the emails to the post office & they got some $ back. Please let me know more about this & exactly what is illegal in this matter so I can set this crook up to repay me. If not I may just not pay and see what happens. If they are smart they will send me 11 different envelopes & still make out. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:32:33 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Subject: Helmar Beer, Crowns and Labels I picked up a four pack of Helmar Beer at the local beer store and am enjoying a Big League Brew that has a Cochrane Crown and a Mathewson label as I write this note. It's decent tasting beer, but to me beer is pretty much beer. Should I soak the label in hot water until it falls off, or do I have to find someplace to store the bottle with label intact? Any opinions are appreciated. They didn't have the chips or caramel corn, and didn't even know that the snacks existed. I'll check a couple more specialty beer stores in the next week or so and hopefully buy some of the snacks as well. Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 22:58:46 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Helmar My Helmar Potato Chips arrived today. I've filled every tupperware container in the house with chips - my wife thinks I'm nuts. I have 96 Cards, 16 diff BB players and 3 diff boxers. I've a lot of dups. Here's what I have, * indicates a dup. Primo Carnera* Bob Sage* J Jeannette* Rube Foster* Ross Youngs* Slim Caldwell Walter Ball* M Brown* Percy Walker Elmer Flick* Kaono Betto* A Hamilton* D Harrison* John McGraw* Chick Gandil* Joe Jackson Any hits appreciated, anyone wishing a dup please LMK. ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 00:37:30 EDT To: senthi@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on muti wins question In a message dated 10/26/2005 8:04:41 PM Central Standard Time, senthi@earthlink.net writes: Hello All, I won 11 auctions of a single card each from a jrs_treasures2005 on ebay. He does not want to provide any combine shipping and each lot was 2 dollars shipping....A total of $22 shipping. I remember about one of us having that problem & ended up telling the ebay seller & ended up paying in full & then brought the emails to the post office & they got some $ back. Please let me know more about this & exactly what is illegal in this matter so I can set this crook up to repay me. If not I may just not pay and see what happens. If they are smart they will send me 11 different envelopes & still make out. illegal? is the seller under some legal obligation to combine shipping? did you ask him if he would combine shipping before you bid? do the auction descriptions say he would combine shipping? while i think we can all agree that HE SHOULD combine shipping, i doubt he is under any obligation to do so. the responsibility lies with the bidder to find out first. ================= To: Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 23:25:59 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Helmar Trading Cards - A Complete Checklist Starting with the Beckett checklist provided by Steve Rittenberg, I scouredthe eBay offerings and I think I now have the complete checklist (below): 59 baseball players and 15 boxers -- 74 total cards. The Beckett/Rittenberg baseball list was missing Rube Foster and Rube Waddell. I'm also puzzled by one Beckett/Rittenberg listing, namely the "Vean Gregg-Sic Gragg" card. The actual name on the card is "Sy Gragg" so that ishow it is listed below. I've never heard of SY Gragg but Vean Gregg's first name was Sylveanus, so I guess this card was supposed to be that of VeanGregg. I'll check with my Vean Gregg expert and see if he can confirm thephoto. Maybe someone at Helmar can help. -Dave Fallen George Anderson-House of David Frank Baker Walter Ball Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team Cool Papa Bell Moe Berg Kaoru Betto Dennis Biddle Sherwood Brewer Mordecai Brown Ray Caldwell Ray Chapman James Cobbin Jimmie Crutchfield Kiki Cuyler Lloyd Dalager Leon Daniels Eddie Deal Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst Martin Dihigo Bill Donovan Johnny Evers Happy Felsch Elmer Flick Rube Foster Sadayoshi Fujimoto Chick Gandil Goto-Japanese League Player Sy Gragg Art Hamilton Dave Harrison Joe Hauser Pete Hill Miller Huggins Joe Jackson-Chicago Joe Jackson-Cleveland Hugh Jennings Dave Jones Cecil Kaiser Tetsuharu Kawakami Tokuji Lida Dave Malarcher Hugh McAleer John McGraw Jiro Noguchi Herb Pennock Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled Billy Rogell Turkey Stearns Jesse Lee Tally John Tucker Rube Waddell Moses Walker Percy Walker Johnny Washington Buck Weaver Ross Youngs Jimmy Adamick Primo Carnera Jack Dempsy Harry Grebe Joe Jeannette Demetrius Jenkins Jack Johnson Stanley Ketchel Darnell Knox Sam McVea Battling Nelson Sugar Ray Robinson Bob Sage Max Schmelling Jack Sharkey ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:27:57 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Helmar/S&H fees Don't for get the prez said there were several errors that have not been corrected and he was leaning against making them (as he told Shawn), which is unfortunate for us variation collectors. Also when he said DISTRIBUTION problems in the email to me, just maybe he meant "collating problems" & that is why some of you got so many I think Josh was the one who had an issue with a seller & took some emails to the PO a while back (2004?). I remember a somewhat humorous discussion about it in Ramblings. I agree the guy "should" combine shipping or at least offer half price etc. I only charge .37 for each extra item I sell from ebay. But, like Gary said, you have to see it in the ad or email for approval/clarification. The problem is, some of these sellers pay a person in their shop $2 for every pkg they wrap. So when it hits ebay it is all ready to be mailed except the addy. Or maybe they pay $1 to the packer & use the other $1 for postage & to off set listing fees (2=A2 to $1) & ebay's 3% to 8% (for stores) commission. That way the can start cards at less than they are worth & draw more bidders/viewers. Two ways you can fight it are: #1-Verify before bidding. #2-Avoid seller's who do not lower S&H on multiple wins in the same http://www.Naxcom.com has specific S&H fees & some offer free shipping, and not just on $10 orders. I bought $3 from a guy offering it on $2 orders just last week. All purchases are assured since Naxcom holds the funds for so many days & each seller I think has a credit card on file with Naxcom. Plus orders over $10 require insurance and orders under $10 can be charged back to the seller if they do not deliver. All details are on the site in the link above. Another thing many people do not know is, ebay auctions & ebay stores are different. You may be paying more for a card you won on auction ($14 with S&H) than the same card (in same cond) was in someone's store ($9 with S&H) to start with! But some like the thirll of the bidding & the CHANCE they might get a good deal. As I have said before, some offer cards for 1=A2 & then charge S&H of $5. The reason is, they only have to pay ebay commission on the penny, not the $5. Also by starting at a penny they get more hits than starting at $4 with $1 S&H. But the bottom line for the consumer is it adds up to $5 for you either way. If ebay passed a rule saying $3 S&H max per card, then the guy would start them at $2 or more, so it'd still be at least $5 for you. Ant, the guy is a donkey it sounds like but you may end up with 11 negatives on your rating. If you are not a seller then that may not matter to you though. But it sure should matter to the seller and that is why he should work with you. But the cards are probably NOT packed in advance & he just uses the $2 to cover his time to list each one, listing fees, 5% commission etc, in the hopes he gets a $10 bid every now & then. Instead of $22, see if he will agree to $15. Also he "may" take less if you send a money order or cash instead of Paypal, since that costs him another 3% also. They are not allowed to offer cash or money order discounts in their ads if they accept Paypal. But to some of them, saving that 3% (no big deal to me) is more important than getting paid 3-7 days sooner. But if he needs cash to pay a bill that does not accept Paypal (say State Farm), then that factors in too & he may give you a break. By now I've probably confused you & others plenty, so Good luck! :-) Is anyone here willing to look up just ONE card for me in the 2006 SCD? LMK at KeithSummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:40:30 EDT To: duph182@yahoo.com, JDelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Long Island National Date: 10/26/2005 10:07:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: duph182@yahoo.com (Dan Angland) To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Dan Angland Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 19:04:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Long Island National ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:17:34 -0700 (PDT) To: dsh46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers > I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on > eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell > complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a > little > less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz > and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty reasonable. You offend me, sir! To the dueling field! Heh heh. Fortunately, this discussion pointed out that my searches have always used "Red Sox stickerS," while many of the listings correctly say "Red Sox sticker" instead. (Long story about the searching blah blah blah.) Happy to see more stickers are there than I thought, even if the #5 continues to elude me. P.S. And of course, the odds of Mr. Bleam getting my money...not so good. :) Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:25:48 EDT To: senthi@earthlink.net, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on muti wins question In a message dated 10/26/05 6:04:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, senthi@earthlink.net writes: > Hello All, > I won 11 auctions of a single card each from a jrs_treasures2005 on ebay. > He does not want to provide any combine shipping and each lot was 2 dollars > shipping....A total of $22 shipping. I remember about one of us having that > problem &ended up telling the ebay seller & ended up paying in full &then > brought the emails to the post office &they got some $ back. > Please let me know more about this &exactly what is illegal in this matter > so I can set this crook up to repay me. If not I may just not pay and see > what happens. If they are smart they will send me 11 different envelopes &still > make out. > thanks > ant It was indeed myself where this happened. I won something like 15 seperate cards from one ebay seller who wanted to charge me $1.50 s/h each lot. After contacting the seller and being told to pay or get a negative feedback and that he does not combine shipping. Knowning ebay policy and the post office policy, I said fine. I sent him 15 different checks (each check totaled no more than $3. A week later I got one envelope with the 15 cards that had 79 cents postage. I took the e-mails and the envelope to the post office and filed a mail fraud charge. It is illegal to charge postage and not use it. I also notified ebay that I was overcharge nearly $25 on postage. Within a week I got several frantic e-mails and then several nasty e-mails because the post office contacted the seller and his ebay account was suspended. My response was, I told you so...about a week after that I got a check for the overcharged postage. Do not know if the fraud charges were dropped or not. I would tell your seller that you expect 11 different packages with the correct postage that you paid. ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:30:50 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, senthi@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on muti wins question In a message dated 10/27/2005 10:28:39 AM Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: In a message dated 10/26/05 6:04:41 PM Pacific Daylight Time, senthi@earthlink.net writes: Hello All, I won 11 auctions of a single card each from a jrs_treasures2005 on ebay. He does not want to provide any combine shipping and each lot was 2 dollars shipping....A total of $22 shipping. I remember about one of us having that problem &ended up telling the ebay seller & ended up paying in full &then brought the emails to the post office &they got some $ back. Please let me know more about this &exactly what is illegal in this matter so I can set this crook up to repay me. If not I may just not pay and see what happens. If they are smart they will send me 11 different envelopes &still make out. It was indeed myself where this happened. I won something like 15 seperate cards from one ebay seller who wanted to charge me $1.50 s/h each lot. After contacting the seller and being told to pay or get a negative feedback and that he does not combine shipping. Knowning ebay policy and the post office policy, I said fine. I sent him 15 different checks (each check totaled no more than $3. A week later I got one envelope with the 15 cards that had 79 cents postage. I took the e-mails and the envelope to the post office and filed a mail fraud charge. It is illegal to charge postage and not use it. I also notified ebay that I was overcharge nearly $25 on postage. Within a week I got several frantic e-mails and then several nasty e-mails because the post office contacted the seller and his ebay account was suspended. My response was, I told you so...about a week after that I got a check for the overcharged postage. Do not know if the fraud charges were dropped or not. I would tell your seller that you expect 11 different packages with the correct postage that you paid. The key here is that he combined all of the winnings into one envelope (dope). I think he can charge more than postage and call it a handling fee, So if ANT gets 15 different envelope, I am not sure that he would have any ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:30:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Sponsorship This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a little stir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being just a little 1st grade teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:44:59 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Is this guy serious????? Check this out.....he should be nailed for fraud....he doesn't mention that this card is trimmed? and im no grader but you tell me if it looks trimmed? and Also, mind you his words " ONE OF THE RAREST CARDS OF ALL TIME"???? Let me know what you guys think P.S. $20 is too much for the card...LOL _eBay: 1957 Topps Ted Williams #1, bv=$600!!! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW (item 8712016255 end time Oct-27-05 15:40:50 PDT)_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-Topps-Ted-Williams-1-bv-600-WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW_W0QQitemZ8712016255QQcategoryZ60485QQrdZ1QQcmdZVi ================= To: , Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:51:52 -0700 From: "Grant" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this guy serious????? Rob, he does say trimmed top and bottom, but 20 bucks? I dunno=85..but he does seem to think it=92s a variation! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Celenox@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:45 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this guy serious????? Check this out.....he should be nailed for fraud....he doesn't mention that this card is trimmed? and im no grader but you tell me if it looks and Also, mind you his words " ONE OF THE RAREST CARDS OF ALL TIME"???? Let me know what you guys think P.S. $20 is too much for the card...LOL "http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-Topps-Ted-Williams-1-bv-600-WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW_W0 QQitemZ8712016255QQcategoryZ60485QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"eBay: 1957 Topps Ted Williams #1, bv$600!!! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW (item 8712016255 end time Oct-27-05 15:40:50 PDT) YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "HYPERLINK "http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings"OBC-Ramblings" on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK "http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: ================= To: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:22:38 GMT From: "Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants" Subject: Re: Sponsorship The president (Charles Mandel) is a collector. In various emails back and forth he has mentioned a pre-war collection that was stolen from him at some point. Recreating the collection was going to be far too expensive, so now he collects Exhibits, Boxing and Japanese cards. Sounds like he had some input on what/who would appear on their card set. I included a few pre-war cards with my check as a thank you for taking the time to chew the fat a bit about collecting. Wite3@aol.com writes: > This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a little > stir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask > Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free > advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not > many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing > people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being just a little 1st grade > teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure > someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? > Joshua ================= To: Matthew , dsh46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:27:21 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers Well, I did a search for "Red Sox Sticker" and came up with a few that are ending tonight which I am bidding on. When I changed to search for completed auctions I got nada! There's a guy around here who somtimes has PSA graded examples but they are usually in the $100 range. -------------- Original message -------------- > > I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on > > eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell > > complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a > > little > > less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz > > and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty reasonable. > You offend me, sir! To the dueling field! Heh heh. Fortunately, this discussion > pointed out that my searches have always used "Red Sox stickerS," while many of > the listings correctly say "Red Sox sticker" instead. (Long story about the > searching blah blah blah.) Happy to see more stickers are there than I thought, > even if the #5 continues to elude me. > Spike > P.S. And of course, the odds of Mr. Bleam getting my money...not so good. :) > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: obcbobd@comcast.net Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:58:37 GMT From: "Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants" Subject: Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers Put a * after the word sticker..."sticker*" without the quotes. This will give you back results that include the root word "sticker"....like stickerS. This will give you more results and also show those PSA sickerS that you obcbobd@comcast.net writes: > Well, I did a search for "Red Sox Sticker" and came up with a few that are ending tonight which I am bidding on. When I changed to search for completed auctions I got nada! There's a guy around here who somtimes has PSA graded examples but they are usually in the $100 range. > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on >> > eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell >> > complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a >> > little >> > less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz >> > and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty reasonable. >> You offend me, sir! To the dueling field! Heh heh. Fortunately, this discussion >> pointed out that my searches have always used "Red Sox stickerS," while many of >> the listings correctly say "Red Sox sticker" instead. (Long story about the >> searching blah blah blah.) Happy to see more stickers are there than I thought, >> even if the #5 continues to elude me. >> Spike >> P.S. And of course, the odds of Mr. Bleam getting my money...not so good. :) >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 11:23:41 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Helmar - Sy Gragg Card Helmar President Charles Mandel confirms that this card is that of Vean Gregg -- the only pitcher to debut in the 20th century with 20+ wins in each of his first three seasons. Mr. Mandel states "I had misspelled his last name based upon an old magazine." The wording of that statement confirms that the Helmar President was very much involved in the details of the card production. Has anyone gotten a "Sy Gragg" card? I need two. My case hasn't arrived yet. Given the woeful duplication being reported, maybe I'll get 15 of them! -Dave Fallen ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 15:22:00 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this guy serious????? What's worth his is blatent shill bidding. Check out how many of his auctions are bid on by frednginger10200. The bidding history for the Williams card is as follows: mattya12 ( 0 ) US $20.00 Oct-22-05 21:08:54 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $19.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:55 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $17.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:47 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $14.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:37 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $12.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:31 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $11.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:24 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $10.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:15 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $9.69 Oct-23-05 19:22:02 PDT frednginger10200 ( 36) US $8.69 Oct-23-05 19:21:54 PDT Why did frednginger10200 all of a sudden stop bidding at $19.69 when they know the next bid will get the card? Because it's the same person. How do you report something like this as it looks like he's been doing it for a few years now. >From: "Grant" >To: , >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this guy serious????? >Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:51:52 -0700 >Rob, he does say trimmed top and bottom, but 20 bucks? I dunno…..but he >does seem to think it’s a variation! >-----Original Message----- >From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Celenox@aol.com >Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 9:45 AM >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this guy serious????? >Check this out.....he should be nailed for fraud....he doesn't mention >that this card is trimmed? and im no grader but you tell me if it looks >and Also, mind you his words " ONE OF THE RAREST CARDS OF ALL TIME"???? >Let me know what you guys think P.S. $20 is too much for the card...LOL >"http://cgi.ebay.com/1957-Topps-Ted-Williams-1-bv-600-WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW_W0 >QQitemZ8712016255QQcategoryZ60485QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem"eBay: 1957 Topps >Ted Williams #1, bv=$600!!! WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW (item 8712016255 end time >Oct-27-05 15:40:50 PDT) > _____ >YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS >* Visit your group "HYPERLINK >"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings"OBC-Ramblings" on the web. >* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > HYPERLINK >* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the HYPERLINK >"http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/"Yahoo! Terms of Service. > _____ >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.361 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/149 - Release Date: ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:57:57 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: What a trip! Comrades -- I'm back from a week in Russia and just found out the White Sox won the World Series - maybe if I go to Siberia next year the Cubs will win! We had a blast in St. Petersburg - what a great city. It's pretty cheap as far as eating and drinking and drinking some more. Peter the Great really put together some nice palaces while he was running the joint. It's interesting to see the mixture of the historic Russia along with the remnants of the hammer and sickle Soviet days. And by the way, if any of you single guys want a good trip, check out Russia - the women are just incredibly good-looking (my wife busted me turning my head a few times)!! I'll catch up on emails this weekend and see what happened while I was Take Care, ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 14:23:45 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: OBC and OTR I woke up this morning and it finally dawned on me that there is no more baseball until next Spring. Ah well, says I, I can always fall back on my vintage The older members may recall that for Christmas of 2001 I produced and distributed a CD containing 12 baseball games (1934 to 1964) and 31 radio programs with a baseball theme (30 from 1934 to 1959, and 1 from 1980). For thefollowing Christmas I distributed an update containing and additional 9 baseball games (1938 to 1964) and 13 radio programs (1946 to 1948). It occurred to me that there have been many new members since 2002, so I wanted to make these games and shows available again. 21 Baseball Games! 44 Baseball themed radio shows! Over 62 hours of entertainment! $0.00 per CD $0.00 shipping & handling (sorry, I do not combine shipping on multiple orders nor do I accept PayPal for these CD's) For a complete listing of games and shows, here is the link: http://home.comcast.net/~david.fallen/OBC/CD/OBC_OTR.htm Please let me know if you would like to get a copy (or two). ***Please include your mailing address with your request*** It may take a couple of weeks to burn and label the CDs and to address the envelopes, so please be patient. Thanks. -Dave Fallen ================= To: "'Dave Fallen'" , Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:06:43 -0400 From: Scott Earle Subject: Helmar - prez visit Gang - I just got off the phone with the prez of Helmar (his office is only 15 minutes away from my home) After talking to him for a bit and telling him I'd like to find somewhere locally to pick up the beer, chips and caramel corn he informed me that nowhere in the Detroit are is it being distro at the moment but there are a few distro company's going to start up in the next week!! Then we started talking vintage cards, he told me that he's getting some cards signed by some Negro Lg players and some of the Benton Harbor guys. Do I hear random inserts, or redeemable cards?? I also mentioned that a bunch of you have contacted him and he said yes we have been a pretty active group on this :-) BEST OF ALL, he invited me to his home on Saturday where he has some beer and chips stored !! Very nice of him for that! I plan on going and picking up some Hamer products from the man himself! Just thought I'd pass my info/call on to the rest of you. BTW - he was told by a distro company that carried the beer that they will not pick it up till spring again because they afraid it will not sell because baseball season is over :-( So, if your looking for the beer you might be in a bind, but I'll be able to get more info on Saturday hopefully. I'm excited!! I love these cards, can't wait to get my hands on my first of --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:38:21 EDT To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a trip! Tell your wife you can window shop just not touch the merchandise beside it a good measuring stick you havent died ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 19:57:12 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Long Island National I will be at the LI National on Saturday. It appears I will have to duck out well before it closes, although that may change. I should get there right around 11:00 or so, maybe earlier depending on how my morning goes. Not bad, considering I didn't think I could go at all until a couple of days ago. I see some of the better out of town dealers with oddball Topps will not be there but I'm hoping to kill off quite a few insert sets Saturday. I'll be near Dan Jacobsen's table a few times I'm sure. He's always good for a story or three when sales slow down. See some of you there hopefully. ================= To: "'Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants'" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:01:15 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: 1967 Red Sox Stickers Actually you don't need the *. Sticker will match sticker and stickers. I see the PSA 8's in eBay stores. Think I'll pass for now. What I don't see is ANY in completed auctions. That will change in about 32 minutes though. However I just looked at my type card book and I have two stickers, 31 togo. I guess I've officially started the set! -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:59 PM To: obcbobd@comcast.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers Put a * after the word sticker..."sticker*" without the quotes. This give you back results that include the root word "sticker"....like This will give you more results and also show those PSA sickerS that you obcbobd@comcast.net writes: > Well, I did a search for "Red Sox Sticker" and came up with a few that are ending tonight which I am bidding on. When I changed to search for completed auctions I got nada! There's a guy around here who somtimes has PSA graded examples but they are usually in the $100 range. > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on >> > eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell >> > complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a >> > little >> > less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz >> > and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty >> You offend me, sir! To the dueling field! Heh heh. Fortunately, this >> pointed out that my searches have always used "Red Sox stickerS," while many of >> the listings correctly say "Red Sox sticker" instead. (Long story about the >> searching blah blah blah.) Happy to see more stickers are there than I thought, >> even if the #5 continues to elude me. >> Spike >> P.S. And of course, the odds of Mr. Bleam getting my money...not so good. :) >> __________________________________ >> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:06:04 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Chisox Congrats to the White Sox fans out there. For any number of reasons, I was glad they won. In fact, my top five favorite reasons they won would be: 5) It will give them bragging rights over the Cubbies (sorry but us Mets fans are required to hate the Cubs) 4) Jean Shepherd's favorite team was the White Sox (in a big Shep phase at the moment) 3) 88 years is a long time without a winner 2) Muddy Waters was a White Sox fan (I'm a huge Muddy fan) and the #1 reason: it ticked off Barbara Bush, who I'm sure was missing the Astrodome, based upon her recent comments. Congrats you Southsiders! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:36:54 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: cloth stickers Please point me in the direction of your wantlist if you are collecting 1977 cloth stickers. I have a small stack of dups--hopefully I can fill some OBC needs. peter mead ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:17:16 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1967 Red Sox Stickers Yep, you are absolutely right Bob. I guess ebay does automatically plural words. It won't do more sophisticated additions to words automatically, but it certainly does add the "s" in this case. Guess I never tried it without the * and old habits die hard. :) |-----Original Message----- |From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Donaldson |Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:01 PM |To: 'Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants' |Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1967 Red Sox Stickers |Actually you don't need the *. Sticker will match sticker and |stickers. I see the PSA 8's in eBay stores. Think I'll pass |for now. What I don't see is ANY in completed auctions. That |will change in about 32 minutes though. |However I just looked at my type card book and I have two |stickers, 31 togo. I guess I've officially started the set! |-----Original Message----- |From: Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants |Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 1:59 PM |To: obcbobd@comcast.net |Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com |Subject: Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers |Put a * after the word sticker..."sticker*" without the |quotes. This will |give you back results that include the root word |"sticker"....like stickerS. |This will give you more results and also show those PSA |sickerS that you | --Shawn |obcbobd@comcast.net writes: |> Well, I did a search for "Red Sox Sticker" and came up with |a few that |are ending tonight which I am bidding on. When I changed to |search for completed auctions I got nada! There's a guy |around here who somtimes has PSA graded examples but they are |usually in the $100 range. |> -------------- Original message -------------- |>> > I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often |up on |>> > eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 |Sportscards sell |>> > complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, |maybe a |>> > little |>> > less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. |The Yaz |>> > and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty |>> You offend me, sir! To the dueling field! Heh heh. Fortunately, this |>> pointed out that my searches have always used "Red Sox stickerS," |while many of |>> the listings correctly say "Red Sox sticker" instead. (Long story |about the |>> searching blah blah blah.) Happy to see more stickers are there than |I thought, |>> even if the #5 continues to elude me. |>> Spike |>> P.S. And of course, the odds of Mr. Bleam getting my money...not so |good. :) |>> __________________________________ |>> Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 |>> http://mail.yahoo.com |>> Yahoo! Groups Links |------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor |Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! |your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/QBiolB/TM |Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: , Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:21:09 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New diet Two cases came in on Tuesday. I also had to sub for the sour cream/ cheddarand got regular along with the BBQ I had already ordered. Joe Jackson is pictured on the BBQ and Babe Ruth is on the regular. I opened four bags. Thetop player on three of the packs was Boxer, Stanley Ketchel, Grand Rapids,Murdered, Oct. 15, 1910. The fourth bag had no cards in it. I received two; Brewer, Indianapolis Negro Lea. and two Miller Huggins, Mgr. NY, one Boxer, Battling Nelson (bad centering), one Sadayoshi Fujimoto, Pacific and of course three of the murdered guy. Too many bags to go to worry yet but I won't be extremely happy if the murdered guy continues showing up 33% of the time and if every 4th bag is cardless. I would bet they would make the cardless bags right though. I'll hold on to those bags until I know how many are cardless before I contact them. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:46 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New diet Hi gang, I got this phone call a couple days ago. It was from Helmar Brewing. They were out of the sour cream and cheddar chips I ordered a case of on Sunday. I substituted the BBQ flavor instead. This morning, the doorbell ringsand I see the FedEx driver running across the street back to her truck. (Do I have a reputation among package and mail deliverers?) I grab the box off the front porch and whisk it inside. It was time for my mid-morning snackanyway, so I immediately tore into a bag... which quickly became four bags- only 28 more to go. I have until Jan. 6th, so I'll try to space things out. I'll probably put on 20 pounds by the end of the week though - I never said my new diet was going to help me LOSE weight. So far, I have 12 cards from the set, but I also have to report heavy duplication. I already have dupes of Jennings (Detroit), 'Double Duty' Radcliffe, Moe Berg (got 3!) and J. Crutchfield (Negro Lea. - 3 also). Other notable cards include Buck Weaver (who has printing at the top of the card noting "expelled in scandal"), a Chunichi Dragons player named Goto (hi Kent) and I even got a boxer - Battling Nelson. That one's a little thinner than the baseball players. It might also explain the difference between Steve's 57-card checklist and the message from Helmar's President stating there were 74 cards... Steve's only showed the baseball players. The cards themselves are a cross between T206'sand Donruss puzzle pieces. The format is similar to the old tobacco cards,although they have a somewhat two-toned brown border - looks a little likewood, but there's no grain like the 62 Topps. They're very thick, so it's almost impossible to ding a corner or put a crease in them, but I noticed the back borders chip easily and there's always the gold circle on the back to scratch off to ruin their 'mint' status. So far, all the ones I've scratched off have revealed "$1.00 Coupon". These can be used to buy products athelmarbrewing.com (up to 50% of the purchase price before shipping). Most of what I saw there was $15.00 T-shirts, but they had some neat pictures ofvintage cards/ballplayers to put on the shirt. That's all to report so far. All this snacking has made me kinda sleepy, so I'm off to my nap. TAYL, Ken M SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:38:22 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: John Ball Auction Great news! We are finally ready to disperse the proceeds from the John Ball auction. Paypal receipts were $2758.26, cash payments from auction winners to Ken Morganti (minus eBay fees) was $284.15 and the OBCAC approved a further dispersement of $160.50 to cover eBay fees. This results in a collection of $3202.9. Based on feedback from Tom Curtis, who remains in touch with the family, we will send a check to John's daughter Martha. A draft of a letter to Martha, which was reviewed by Tom, is below. Unless anyone has objections, I will send out the check out early next week. Thanks to everyone for a successful auction! Dear Martha, I am writing on behalf of OBC the baseball card collectors club that your father was a member of for many years. When we heard of his passing there was an overwhelming agreement on the group that we wanted to do something in memory of your father. After some discussion we all agreed that we would run an auction in his memory with the proceeds going to a worthy cause, actually, we agreed to the auction, most all of the work of running the auction was done by Ken Morganti. Many members throughout OBC donated cards and other sports memorabilia to the auction and we even got donations from a few dealers. Those that couldn't donate made sure they bid on the auctions. A lot of items went for much more than they are worth as everyone got into the spirit of remembering your dad and helping a worthy cause. The net proceeds from the auction were $3202.9 which is enclosed in a check made out to you. We know that you made tremendous personal and financial sacrifices to take care of your dad in his last days. We wish to share the proceeds of the auction with you as a small token of our appreciation for all you've done for your dad. All of OBC wishes you and your family all the best. ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:46:53 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New diet Am I the only one who had to open each and every bag in one sitting. My stomach hurts! ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:30:05 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New diet I got my case of carmel corn yesterday, and am avoiding the temptation of opening all 32 bags at once. But it seems as if there will be tons of trading generated trying to obtain this set, and I have opened three bags, have a total of 9 cards, and already have 5 dupes. The problem is that these cards are so thick, I need a new dupes box already. Hopefully everyone will have a wantlist/dupeslist soon so that this thick cardboard can start flying. Still looking for the beer..... > Am I the only one who had to open each and every bag in one sitting. My > stomach hurts! ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:35:58 EDT To: obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Ball Auction ================= To: Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:47:13 -0500 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: How many bags does it take.... To get to the complete Helmar set ? Let's find out.... If you have some Helmar snacks, you may want to rip into a bag (or two or three) while reading... Well, it started with 3 cases, one of each flavor of chips. The idea here is to get close to 3 sets for myself and the kids. I read on eBay that the set was tough and also that the collation was pretty rough. So in my infinite wisdom, I ordered another 3 cases the next day. Cannot get the Sour Cream & Cheddar because they are out, so I swap in a case of Carmel Corn instead. By far the BBQ chips are the best of the three flavors, but the Carmel Corn is definitely in a league of it's own....I love it ! Cases were delivered today and I promptly got 6 new trash bags to hold the inconsequential contents of each bag. The bags are quite nice to look at as well with Babe Ruth appearing on the Carmel Corn and Classic chips while Joe Jackson is on the BBQ and SC&C chips. Taste tests reveal that the classic chips will not be consumed again with the Sour Cream and Cheddar not being much better. Okay, enough taste testing, I had to rip open all the bags to see what cards awaited inside. Please stop reading now unless you feel like being a tad bit (...okay, I mean quite a bit) disappointed. The first case (BBQ#1) had 2 bags with no cards at all, but then I got 3 bags with two packs each for a total of 99 cards ! YIPPEE ! From those 99 cards, only 26 were different. Wow, this is a problem...maybe the other flavors will offset these numbers by having bad collation, but with different cards this time. The 2nd case (BBQ#2) had 2 bags with no cards at all and one that only had 2 cards inside. This time only 1 bag had two packs for a total of 92 cards. Of those, only 22 were different and 17 new additions to my set bringing the total up to 43 cards already ! Yes ! Over half way there ! The 3rd case (Classic#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 1 card for a total of 95. Of those, only 21 were different and 10 were additions to my set. This brings me up to 53 cards and only 21 more to go. A little disappointed that I don't have a complete set yet, but hey I'm only half way done opening these bad boys ! The 4th case (Classic#2) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, only 18...yes, 18 were different and a measly 3 cards to add to my set. This brings me to 56 cards....shh-crap ! Now I'm pretty calm person, so I'll just relax for a minute and then move to the SC&C case. A new flavor and a big hope that the collation revolves around the different flavors....yeah, that's it ! The 5th case (SC&C#1) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, I got a whopping 30 different cards the best count so far ! But, only 4 were new additions to the set which brings my total up to 60 cards and only 1 case to go. Rethinking the idea of buying 6 cases....to late to ponder on that though. The 6th case (Carmel Corn#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 2 cards for a total of 95. I had to stop for a while and consume 3 bags of this stuff while opening all the card packs and stacking this last batch upside down on my desk. Would I complete the set....a far fetched idea. Of those 95 cards, only 13 freaking cards were different !! ARGGGGG !! Only ONE stinking hit to the set in the whole case. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hopes and dreams are shattered once again, this just isn't my week ! But hey, it's only cards, so I chalk it up to getting a bunch of stuff I can forward to y'all to help you along in your set quests. To summarize; I pulled 574 cards and got 61 different while still 13 shy of ONE set. I remember earlier this week I was laughing at the $120 BIN price on a complete set on eBay....hmm, maybe that wasn't such a bad deal after all. This set isn't hard, it's next to impossible. In an email conversation at the beginning of the week with Mr. Mandel, he mentioned that the cards were all printed in roughly the same quantity, but gave no specifics on print runs on qty's for any specific cards. Yeah, I'd say the collation needs a bit of work at this point :) So I have a few dupes, drop me a line with your needs and I'll start dispersing. I've pulled enough cards to have a good start on 3 sets. All three sets and my dupes are listed here: http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/2005_helmar.htm I am going to be in snack overload for a long time. Here are the totals of each card (before I pulled 3 sets) with reference to the checklist Dave George Anderson-House of David 2=09 Frank Baker 3=09 Walter Ball 0=09 Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team 5=09 Cool Papa Bell 21=09 Moe Berg 6=09 Kaoru Betto 2=09 Dennis Biddle 9=09 Sherwood Brewer 0=09 Mordecai Brown 21=09 Ray Caldwell 0=09 Ray Chapman 7=09 James Cobbin 0=09 Jimmie Crutchfield 18=09 Kiki Cuyler 17=09 Lloyd Dalager 16=09 Leon Daniels 10=09 Eddie Deal 11=09 Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst 1=09 Martin Dihigo 10=09 Bill Donovan 12=09 Johnny Evers 19=09 Happy Felsch 0=09 Elmer Flick 10=09 Rube Foster 6=09 Sadayoshi Fujimoto 2=09 Chick Gandil 0=09 Goto-Japanese League Player 6=09 Sy Gragg 22=09 Art Hamilton 3=09 Dave Harrison 13=09 Joe Hauser 3=09 Pete Hill 8=09 Miller Huggins 17=09 Joe Jackson-Chicago 17=09 Joe Jackson-Cleveland 0=09 Hugh Jennings 0=09 Dave Jones 21=09 Cecil Kaiser 0=09 Tetsuharu Kawakami 14=09 Tokuji Lida 0=09 Dave Malarcher 17=09 Hugh McAleer 6=09 John McGraw 10=09 Jiro Noguchi 5=09 Herb Pennock 1=09 Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe 2=09 Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled 8=09 Billy Rogell 5=09 Turkey Stearns 7=09 Jesse Lee Tally 20=09 Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi 12=09 John Tucker 19=09 Rube Waddell 7=09 Moses Walker 9=09 Percy Walker 5=09 Johnny Washington 3=09 Buck Weaver 8=09 Ross Youngs 9=09 Jimmy Adamick 7=09 Primo Carnera 2=09 Jack Dempsy 1=09 Harry Grebe 12=09 Joe Jeannette 0=09 Demetrius Jenkins 0=09 Jack Johnson 9=09 Stanley Ketchel 0=09 Darnell Knox 22=09 Sam McVea 2=09 Battling Nelson 8=09 Sugar Ray Robinson 3=09 Bob Sage 5=09 Max Schmelling 6=09 Jack Sharkey 12=09 And to all a good night Shawn (I have a few Helmar dupes) Adkins ================= Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:21:19 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs Subject: Helmar Could someone who has Charles Mandel's (Helmar's president) e-mail address please forward it to me? I'd like to ask him how I can get some of that cool stuff up here in the northland. Maybe I could become a distributor?????? I'll need tons of promotional items to give away to potential customers eh. And I'll probably drink all the beer. And all the chip bags will be taped closed without any cards left inside.... Thanks for the help guys, Paul Biggs Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 02:37:54 -0400 From: Scott Earle Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I can bring this up to him when I go to the HELMAR prez home on Saturday. Any thoughts? --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:30 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a little stir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being just a little 1st grade teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? SPONSORED LINKS card supply card display case card protector card holder ryan baseball card baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:46:04 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I really think this needs to be discussed by the OBC Advisory Council before an individual member makes a pitch to a potential sponser. Myself, I don't see the need for a sponser. The dues already are very minimal and I'm not aware of the need for more money. I'd much rather keep ourindependence. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Earle To: Wite3@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I can bring this up to him when I go to the HELMAR prez home on Saturday.Any --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:30 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a littlestir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being just alittle 1st grade teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:56:19 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers OBCers -- If anyone happens to have an extra one, I'd love one of these guys for my WS Andrews, Petrocelli, Santiago, R. Smith, Stephenson I have some oddballs to trade if you have one! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 2:33 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1967 Red Sox Stickers I have to disagree with Spike's posting; these stickers are often up on eBay, along with their Pirate brethren. Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards sell complete sets of each in the $600 range I believe in his SCD ads, maybe a little less. For a limited run Topps issue, they are not all that tough. The Yaz and Clemente stickers are expensive but the rest are pretty reasonable. SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Shawn Adkins" , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 05:49:00 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: An Outsider Looking In ..... ..... ..... ..... - - - - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How many bags does it take.... MessageWow, from an outsider looking in, toward all these Helmar card messages, it's this one that makes me ever SO happy, that as am unemployed hobo,I am so glad that I did not fork over the last $25 dollars I collected pan-handling on the Main Street Bridge, for a case of salty chips. So, 3 cases, 3 kids, and not even half the set? So, come on, Shawn, how the hey many cases did you REALLY order, and you'restill more than a dozen cards short? eVilBay is looking better and better every auction ... ... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Adkins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How many bags does it take.... To get to the complete Helmar set ? Let's find out.... If you have some Helmar snacks, you may want to rip into a bag (or two or three) while reading... Well, it started with 3 cases, one of each flavor of chips. The idea here is to get close to 3 sets for myself and the kids. I read on eBay that theset was tough and also that the collation was pretty rough. So in my infinite wisdom, I ordered another 3 cases the next day. Cannot get the Sour Cream & Cheddar because they are out, so I swap in a case of Carmel Corn instead. By far the BBQ chips are the best of the three flavors, but the Carmel Corn is definitely in a league of it's own....I love it ! Cases were delivered today and I promptly got 6 new trash bags to hold the inconsequential contents of each bag. The bags are quite nice to look at as well with Babe Ruth appearing on the Carmel Corn and Classic chips while Joe Jackson is on the BBQ and SC&C chips. Taste tests reveal that the classic chips will not be consumed again with the Sour Cream and Cheddar not being much better. Okay, enough taste testing, I had to rip open all the bags to see what cards awaited inside. Please stop reading now unless you feel like being a tad bit (...okay, I mean quite a bit) disappointed. The first case (BBQ#1) had 2 bags with no cards at all, but then I got 3 bags with two packs each for a total of 99 cards ! YIPPEE ! From those 99 cards, only 26 were different. Wow, this is a problem...maybe the other flavors will offset these numbers by having bad collation, but with different cards this time. The 2nd case (BBQ#2) had 2 bags with no cards at all and one that only had 2 cards inside. This time only 1 bag had two packs for a total of 92 cards. Of those, only 22 were different and 17 new additions to my set bringingthe total up to 43 cards already ! Yes ! Over half way there ! The 3rd case (Classic#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded1 card for a total of 95. Of those, only 21 were different and 10 were additions to my set. This brings me up to 53 cards and only 21 more to go. A little disappointed that I don't have a complete set yet, but hey I'm only half way done opening these bad boys ! The 4th case (Classic#2) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, only 18...yes, 18 were different and a measly 3 cards to add to my set. This brings me to 56 cards....shh-crap ! Now I'm pretty calm person, so I'll just relax for a minute and then move to the SC&C case. A new flavor and a big hope that the collation revolves around the different flavors....yeah, that's it ! The 5th case (SC&C#1) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, I got a whopping 30 different cards the best count so far ! But, only 4 were new additions to the set which brings my total up to 60 cards and only 1 case to go. Rethinking the idea of buying 6 cases....to late to ponder on that though. The 6th case (Carmel Corn#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 2 cards for a total of 95. I had to stop for a while and consume 3 bags of this stuff while opening all the card packs and stacking this last batch upside down on my desk. Would I complete the set....a far fetched idea. Of those 95 cards, only 13 freaking cards were different !! ARGGGGG !! Only ONE stinking hit to the set in the whole case. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hopes and dreams are shattered once again, this just isn't my week ! But hey, it's only cards, so I chalk it up togetting a bunch of stuff I can forward to y'all to help you along in your set To summarize; I pulled 574 cards and got 61 different while still 13 shy ofONE set. I remember earlier this week I was laughing at the $120 BIN price on a complete set on eBay....hmm, maybe that wasn't such a bad deal afterall. This set isn't hard, it's next to impossible. In an email conversation at the beginning of the week with Mr. Mandel, he mentioned that the cards were all printed in roughly the same quantity, but gave no specifics on print runs on qty's for any specific cards. Yeah, I'd say the collation needs a bit of work at this point :) So I have a few dupes, drop me a line with your needs and I'll start dispersing. I've pulled enough cards to have a good start on 3 sets. All three sets and my dupes are listed here: http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/2005_helmar.htm I am going to be in snack overload for a long time. Here are the totals ofeach card (before I pulled 3 sets) with reference to the checklist Dave posted. George Anderson-House of David 2 Frank Baker 3 Walter Ball 0 Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team 5 Cool Papa Bell 21 Moe Berg 6 Kaoru Betto 2 Dennis Biddle 9 Sherwood Brewer 0 Mordecai Brown 21 Ray Caldwell 0 Ray Chapman 7 James Cobbin 0 Jimmie Crutchfield 18 Kiki Cuyler 17 Lloyd Dalager 16 Leon Daniels 10 Eddie Deal 11 Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst 1 Martin Dihigo 10 Bill Donovan 12 Johnny Evers 19 Happy Felsch 0 Elmer Flick 10 Rube Foster 6 Sadayoshi Fujimoto 2 Chick Gandil 0 Goto-Japanese League Player 6 Sy Gragg 22 Art Hamilton 3 Dave Harrison 13 Joe Hauser 3 Pete Hill 8 Miller Huggins 17 Joe Jackson-Chicago 17 Joe Jackson-Cleveland 0 Hugh Jennings 0 Dave Jones 21 Cecil Kaiser 0 Tetsuharu Kawakami 14 Tokuji Lida 0 Dave Malarcher 17 Hugh McAleer 6 John McGraw 10 Jiro Noguchi 5 Herb Pennock 1 Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe 2 Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled 8 Billy Rogell 5 Turkey Stearns 7 Jesse Lee Tally 20 Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi 12 John Tucker 19 Rube Waddell 7 Moses Walker 9 Percy Walker 5 Johnny Washington 3 Buck Weaver 8 Ross Youngs 9 Jimmy Adamick 7 Primo Carnera 2 Jack Dempsy 1 Harry Grebe 12 Joe Jeannette 0 Demetrius Jenkins 0 Jack Johnson 9 Stanley Ketchel 0 Darnell Knox 22 Sam McVea 2 Battling Nelson 8 Sugar Ray Robinson 3 Bob Sage 5 Max Schmelling 6 Jack Sharkey 12 And to all a good night Shawn (I have a few Helmar dupes) Adkins SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Dave Fallen" , , , "Scott Earle" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:16:48 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship Dave is right. We are not in need of money. I do think you should talk up OBC though, if he's a collector, perhaps he's like to join. -------------- Original message -------------- I really think this needs to be discussed by the OBC Advisory Council before an individual member makes a pitch to a potential sponser. Myself, I don't see the need for a sponser. The dues already are very minimal and I'm not aware of the need for more money. I'd much rather keep our independence. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Earle To: Wite3@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I can bring this up to him when I go to the HELMAR prez home on Saturday. Any thoughts? --Scott ‘Squirrel’ Earle-- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:30 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a little stir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being just a little 1st grade teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:10:26 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship OBCers -- I tend to agree with Dave, but the AC will be the guys to discuss it. If anybody has any thoughts on it, please feel free to speak up! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Fallen To: Wite3@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Scott Earle Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I really think this needs to be discussed by the OBC Advisory Council before an individual member makes a pitch to a potential sponser. Myself, I don't see the need for a sponser. The dues already are very minimal and I'm not aware of the need for more money. I'd much rather keep our -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Earle To: Wite3@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:37 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship I can bring this up to him when I go to the HELMAR prez home on Saturday. Any thoughts? --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:30 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship This is probably a question for the OBCAC but it seems I created a little stir in OBC with the Helmar Brewing news. My next questions is, why don't we ask Helmar to sponsor our website. It could offset some costs for us and free advertising for them. They obviously seem to have the same philosophy as OBC (not many companies do) and it would not surprise me if some of their marketing people or execs. were not collectors themselves. Being justa little 1st grade teacher, I have no idea how to approach this in a business way but I am sure someone in OBC land does. Any thoughts? SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:35:10 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How many bags does it take.... MessageShawn -- There's a complete set on Ebay right now with a high bid of $20 at the moment... http://cgi.ebay.com/2005-COMPLETE-SET-OF-74-HELMAR-BREWERY-CARDS_W0QQitemZ8714323393QQcategoryZ98013QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Adkins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:47 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How many bags does it take.... To get to the complete Helmar set ? Let's find out.... If you have some Helmar snacks, you may want to rip into a bag (or two orthree) while reading... Well, it started with 3 cases, one of each flavor of chips. The idea here is to get close to 3 sets for myself and the kids. I read on eBay that the set was tough and also that the collation was pretty rough. So in my infinite wisdom, I ordered another 3 cases the next day. Cannot get the SourCream & Cheddar because they are out, so I swap in a case of Carmel Corn instead. By far the BBQ chips are the best of the three flavors, but the Carmel Corn is definitely in a league of it's own....I love it ! Cases were delivered today and I promptly got 6 new trash bags to hold the inconsequential contents of each bag. The bags are quite nice to look atas well with Babe Ruth appearing on the Carmel Corn and Classic chips while Joe Jackson is on the BBQ and SC&C chips. Taste tests reveal that the classic chips will not be consumed again with the Sour Cream and Cheddar not being much better. Okay, enough taste testing, I had to rip open all the bags to see what cards awaited inside. Please stop reading now unless you feel like being a tad bit (...okay, I mean quite a bit) disappointed. The first case (BBQ#1) had 2 bags with no cards at all, but then I got 3 bags with two packs each for a total of 99 cards ! YIPPEE ! From those 99cards, only 26 were different. Wow, this is a problem...maybe the other flavors will offset these numbers by having bad collation, but with different cards this time. The 2nd case (BBQ#2) had 2 bags with no cards at all and one that only had 2 cards inside. This time only 1 bag had two packs for a total of 92 cards. Of those, only 22 were different and 17 new additions to my set bringing the total up to 43 cards already ! Yes ! Over half way there ! The 3rd case (Classic#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 1 card for a total of 95. Of those, only 21 were different and 10 were additions to my set. This brings me up to 53 cards and only 21 more to go.A little disappointed that I don't have a complete set yet, but hey I'm only half way done opening these bad boys ! The 4th case (Classic#2) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, only 18...yes, 18 were different and a measly 3 cards to add to my set. This brings me to 56 cards....shh-crap ! Now I'm pretty calm person, soI'll just relax for a minute and then move to the SC&C case. A new flavorand a big hope that the collation revolves around the different flavors....yeah, that's it ! The 5th case (SC&C#1) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, I got a whopping 30 different cards the best count so far ! But, only 4were new additions to the set which brings my total up to 60 cards and only 1 case to go. Rethinking the idea of buying 6 cases....to late to ponderon that though. The 6th case (Carmel Corn#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 2 cards for a total of 95. I had to stop for a while and consume 3 bags of this stuff while opening all the card packs and stacking this last batch upside down on my desk. Would I complete the set....a far fetched idea. Of those 95 cards, only 13 freaking cards were different !! ARGGGGG !!Only ONE stinking hit to the set in the whole case. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hopes and dreams are shattered once again, this just isn't my week ! But hey, it's only cards, so I chalk it up to getting a bunch of stuff I can forward to y'all to help you along in your set quests. To summarize; I pulled 574 cards and got 61 different while still 13 shy of ONE set. I remember earlier this week I was laughing at the $120 BIN price on a complete set on eBay....hmm, maybe that wasn't such a bad deal after all. This set isn't hard, it's next to impossible. In an email conversation at the beginning of the week with Mr. Mandel, he mentioned that the cards were all printed in roughly the same quantity, but gave no specifics on print runs on qty's for any specific cards. Yeah, I'd say the collation needs a bit of work at this point :) So I have a few dupes, drop me a line with your needs and I'll start dispersing. I've pulled enough cards to have a good start on 3 sets. All three sets and my dupes are listed here: http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/2005_helmar.htm I am going to be in snack overload for a long time. Here are the totals of each card (before I pulled 3 sets) with reference to the checklist Dave posted. George Anderson-House of David 2 Frank Baker 3 Walter Ball 0 Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team 5 Cool Papa Bell 21 Moe Berg 6 Kaoru Betto 2 Dennis Biddle 9 Sherwood Brewer 0 Mordecai Brown 21 Ray Caldwell 0 Ray Chapman 7 James Cobbin 0 Jimmie Crutchfield 18 Kiki Cuyler 17 Lloyd Dalager 16 Leon Daniels 10 Eddie Deal 11 Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst 1 Martin Dihigo 10 Bill Donovan 12 Johnny Evers 19 Happy Felsch 0 Elmer Flick 10 Rube Foster 6 Sadayoshi Fujimoto 2 Chick Gandil 0 Goto-Japanese League Player 6 Sy Gragg 22 Art Hamilton 3 Dave Harrison 13 Joe Hauser 3 Pete Hill 8 Miller Huggins 17 Joe Jackson-Chicago 17 Joe Jackson-Cleveland 0 Hugh Jennings 0 Dave Jones 21 Cecil Kaiser 0 Tetsuharu Kawakami 14 Tokuji Lida 0 Dave Malarcher 17 Hugh McAleer 6 John McGraw 10 Jiro Noguchi 5 Herb Pennock 1 Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe 2 Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled 8 Billy Rogell 5 Turkey Stearns 7 Jesse Lee Tally 20 Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi 12 John Tucker 19 Rube Waddell 7 Moses Walker 9 Percy Walker 5 Johnny Washington 3 Buck Weaver 8 Ross Youngs 9 Jimmy Adamick 7 Primo Carnera 2 Jack Dempsy 1 Harry Grebe 12 Joe Jeannette 0 Demetrius Jenkins 0 Jack Johnson 9 Stanley Ketchel 0 Darnell Knox 22 Sam McVea 2 Battling Nelson 8 Sugar Ray Robinson 3 Bob Sage 5 Max Schmelling 6 Jack Sharkey 12 And to all a good night Shawn (I have a few Helmar dupes) Adkins SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:03:03 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: The OBC Map Of The World The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, why not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? The web address for the map is: http://www.frappr.com/obc Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of North America! Glasgow, Scotland Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information ================= To: "geno.wagner" Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 14:13:58 GMT From: "Shawn Adkins Show Me Savants" Subject: Re: How many bags does it take.... Thanks for the thought Geno, but I think I've spent my limit on these babies. :) I'll spread the dupes around and try to pick up the ones I need the old fashioned way. Maybe the collation will get better with the next series of cards, we'll http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/2005_helmar.htm geno.wagner writes: > MessageShawn -- > There's a complete set on Ebay right now with a high bid of $20 at the moment... > http://cgi.ebay.com/2005-COMPLETE-SET-OF-74-HELMAR-BREWERY-CARDS_W0QQitemZ8714323393QQcategoryZ98013QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Shawn Adkins > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:47 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How many bags does it take.... > To get to the complete Helmar set ? Let's find out.... > If you have some Helmar snacks, you may want to rip into a bag (or two or three) while reading... > Well, it started with 3 cases, one of each flavor of chips. The idea here is to get close to 3 sets for myself and the kids. I read on eBay that the set was tough and also that the collation was pretty rough. So in my infinite wisdom, I ordered another 3 cases the next day. Cannot get the Sour Cream & Cheddar because they are out, so I swap in a case of Carmel Corn instead. By far the BBQ chips are the best of the three flavors, but the Carmel Corn is definitely in a league of it's own....I love it ! > Cases were delivered today and I promptly got 6 new trash bags to hold the inconsequential contents of each bag. The bags are quite nice to look at as well with Babe Ruth appearing on the Carmel Corn and Classic chips while Joe Jackson is on the BBQ and SC&C chips. Taste tests reveal that the classic chips will not be consumed again with the Sour Cream and Cheddar not being much better. Okay, enough taste testing, I had to rip open all the bags to see what cards awaited inside. > Please stop reading now unless you feel like being a tad bit (...okay, I mean quite a bit) disappointed. > The first case (BBQ#1) had 2 bags with no cards at all, but then I got 3 bags with two packs each for a total of 99 cards ! YIPPEE ! From those 99 cards, only 26 were different. Wow, this is a problem...maybe the other flavors will offset these numbers by having bad collation, but with different cards this time. > The 2nd case (BBQ#2) had 2 bags with no cards at all and one that only had 2 cards inside. This time only 1 bag had two packs for a total of 92 cards. Of those, only 22 were different and 17 new additions to my set bringing the total up to 43 cards already ! Yes ! Over half way there ! > The 3rd case (Classic#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 1 card for a total of 95. Of those, only 21 were different and 10 were additions to my set. This brings me up to 53 cards and only 21 more to go. A little disappointed that I don't have a complete set yet, but hey I'm only half way done opening these bad boys ! > The 4th case (Classic#2) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, only 18...yes, 18 were different and a measly 3 cards to add to my set. This brings me to 56 cards....shh-crap ! Now I'm pretty calm person, so I'll just relax for a minute and then move to the SC&C case. A new flavor and a big hope that the collation revolves around the different flavors....yeah, that's it ! > The 5th case (SC&C#1) had cards in every bag for a total of 96. Of those, I got a whopping 30 different cards the best count so far ! But, only 4 were new additions to the set which brings my total up to 60 cards and only 1 case to go. Rethinking the idea of buying 6 cases....to late to ponder on that though. > The 6th case (Carmel Corn#1) had cards in every bag except one bag only yielded 2 cards for a total of 95. I had to stop for a while and consume 3 bags of this stuff while opening all the card packs and stacking this last batch upside down on my desk. Would I complete the set....a far fetched idea. Of those 95 cards, only 13 freaking cards were different !! ARGGGGG !! Only ONE stinking hit to the set in the whole case. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hopes and dreams are shattered once again, this just isn't my week ! But hey, it's only cards, so I chalk it up to getting a bunch of stuff I can forward to y'all to help you along in your set quests. > To summarize; I pulled 574 cards and got 61 different while still 13 shy of ONE set. I remember earlier this week I was laughing at the $120 BIN price on a complete set on eBay....hmm, maybe that wasn't such a bad deal after all. This set isn't hard, it's next to impossible. In an email conversation at the beginning of the week with Mr. Mandel, he mentioned that the cards were all printed in roughly the same quantity, but gave no specifics on print runs on qty's for any specific cards. Yeah, I'd say the collation needs a bit of work at this point :) So I have a few dupes, drop me a line with your needs and I'll start dispersing. > I've pulled enough cards to have a good start on 3 sets. All three sets and my dupes are listed here: http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball/2005_helmar.htm > I am going to be in snack overload for a long time. Here are the totals of each card (before I pulled 3 sets) with reference to the checklist Dave posted. > George Anderson-House of David 2 > Frank Baker 3 > Walter Ball 0 > Benton Harbor-Barnstorming Team 5 > Cool Papa Bell 21 > Moe Berg 6 > Kaoru Betto 2 > Dennis Biddle 9 > Sherwood Brewer 0 > Mordecai Brown 21 > Ray Caldwell 0 > Ray Chapman 7 > James Cobbin 0 > Jimmie Crutchfield 18 > Kiki Cuyler 17 > Lloyd Dalager 16 > Leon Daniels 10 > Eddie Deal 11 > Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst 1 > Martin Dihigo 10 > Bill Donovan 12 > Johnny Evers 19 > Happy Felsch 0 > Elmer Flick 10 > Rube Foster 6 > Sadayoshi Fujimoto 2 > Chick Gandil 0 > Goto-Japanese League Player 6 > Sy Gragg 22 > Art Hamilton 3 > Dave Harrison 13 > Joe Hauser 3 > Pete Hill 8 > Miller Huggins 17 > Joe Jackson-Chicago 17 > Joe Jackson-Cleveland 0 > Hugh Jennings 0 > Dave Jones 21 > Cecil Kaiser 0 > Tetsuharu Kawakami 14 > Tokuji Lida 0 > Dave Malarcher 17 > Hugh McAleer 6 > John McGraw 10 > Jiro Noguchi 5 > Herb Pennock 1 > Ted "Double Duty" Radcliffe 2 > Eppa Rixey-Cincinnati Mispelled 8 > Billy Rogell 5 > Turkey Stearns 7 > Jesse Lee Tally 20 > Kawakami-Chiba-Aota-Noguchi 12 > John Tucker 19 > Rube Waddell 7 > Moses Walker 9 > Percy Walker 5 > Johnny Washington 3 > Buck Weaver 8 > Ross Youngs 9 > BOXING > Jimmy Adamick 7 > Primo Carnera 2 > Jack Dempsy 1 > Harry Grebe 12 > Joe Jeannette 0 > Demetrius Jenkins 0 > Jack Johnson 9 > Stanley Ketchel 0 > Darnell Knox 22 > Sam McVea 2 > Battling Nelson 8 > Sugar Ray Robinson 3 > Bob Sage 5 > Max Schmelling 6 > Jack Sharkey 12 > And to all a good night > Shawn (I have a few Helmar dupes) Adkins > SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector > Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 07:28:08 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sponsorship What? Sorry, Geno, we're sleeping off that 12th bag of chips... --- "geno.wagner" wrote: > OBCers -- > I tend to agree with Dave, but the AC will be the guys to discuss it. If > anybody has any thoughts on it, please feel free to speak up! > Take Care, Geno Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com ================= To: , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:38:47 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World Glenn -- I added my picture/pin on the map, so you aren't alone on this little rock now! I attached the wrong picture, then went back and added a new one, but it combined the messages. I'm not sure how to edit the message, but I don't think it really matters. Cool site! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" To: Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World > All, > The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, why > not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? > The web address for the map is: > http://www.frappr.com/obc > Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the > northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration > lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of North > America! > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:40:17 +0000 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World My friends, I have managed to screw mine up, as I now have myself on the map twice. Is there any way to remove my worse half, or change the shout-out? John Scott Gray >From: "geno.wagner" >To: ,"Glenn" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:38:47 +0100 >Glenn -- >I added my picture/pin on the map, so you aren't alone on this little rock >now! I attached the wrong picture, then went back and added a new one, but >it combined the messages. I'm not sure how to edit the message, but I >think it really matters. Cool site! >Take Care, Geno >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Glenn" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:03 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World > > All, > > > > The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, > > not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? > > > > The web address for the map is: > > > > http://www.frappr.com/obc > > > > Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the > > northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration > > lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of > > America! > > > > Glenn > > Glasgow, Scotland > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:39:29 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: PayPal Rant Some of you may not know that PayPal has a spending limit on "unverified" accounts. Maybe this rant will alert you. I have been using PayPal since August 2003. I have completed 145 PayPal payments in that time. My eBay rating is 629 based on 777 positive feedbacks, and zero negative ones. So it was a great shock to me to get a message from PayPal that I was nearing my spending limit and needed to become "verified" to continue using PayPal. Looking into this situation, I discovered that PayPal has a $2,000 spendinglimit. This limit is CUMULATIVE. Now a monthly limit would make sense - even an annual one. But a lifetime limit of $2,000? They claim this is a security precaution to minimize fraud. Give me a break! Look at my track record above. It appears you become a fraud risk only after you have established your reliability as a buyer. Becoming "verified" involves providing PayPal with bank account information. Yeah, like that's going to happen. I pay via a credit card that I have had forever. The credit card account has a zero balance because I pay it off at the end of each month. What the @!#$% do they need my private bank account information for? So I've stopped using PayPal. This means: 1. Sellers have to wait longer for their money. 2. Sellers have the inconvenience of physically handling a check, making the deposit, etc. 3. I have to wait longer to receive my purchase. 4. It is more expensive for me as I have to pay postage, money order fees,etc. 5. PayPal is losing out on business. It's not just me, there is a growingcommunity of P.O.ed former PayPal users. I do have a small balance left on my PayPal spending limit. I will use it only if (1) it is a scarce item I can't live without, and (2) the seller only accepts PayPal. Thanks for listening. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:07:35 -0500 To: "Dave Fallen" , From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant BE CAREFULL !!! Many of these messages are scams to get your bank account Be sure it came from PayPal. I've gotten fake messages before from other sources pretending to be PayPal!!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dave Fallen Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant Some of you may not know that PayPal has a spending limit on "unverified" accounts. Maybe this rant will alert you. I have been using PayPal since August 2003. I have completed 145 PayPal payments in that time. My eBay rating is 629 based on 777 positive feedbacks, and zero negative ones. So it was a great shock to me to get a message from PayPal that I was nearing my spending limit and needed to become "verified" to continue using PayPal. Looking into this situation, I discovered that PayPal has a $2,000 spending limit. This limit is CUMULATIVE. Now a monthly limit would make sense - even an annual one. But a lifetime limit of $2,000? They claim this is a security precaution to minimize fraud. Give me a break! Look at my track record above. It appears you become a fraud risk only after you have established your reliability as a buyer. Becoming "verified" involves providing PayPal with bank account information. Yeah, like that's going to happen. I pay via a credit card that I have had forever. The credit card account has a zero balance because I pay it off at the end of each month. What the @!#$% do they need my private bank account information for? So I've stopped using PayPal. This means: 1. Sellers have to wait longer for their money. 2. Sellers have the inconvenience of physically handling a check, making the deposit, etc. 3. I have to wait longer to receive my purchase. 4. It is more expensive for me as I have to pay postage, money order fees, etc. 5. PayPal is losing out on business. It's not just me, there is a growing community of P.O.ed former PayPal users. I do have a small balance left on my PayPal spending limit. I will use it only if (1) it is a scarce item I can't live without, and (2) the seller only accepts PayPal. Thanks for listening. -Dave Fallen SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:09:05 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: FRAPPER OBC MAP with Pics I think we shouls add as many photos as we can, I think its a cool concept to put faces to the mails and screen names. I have 2 photos up there im thinking of adding more We Should all add a few pics What do u think? ROB GIOIA ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:11:36 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1611 Hi gang, I'm taking a break between bags of chips to touch upon a couple things that have been floating on the server. I had a similar experience to Anthony and Josh in which I won 15 lots from the same seller. The deal with this guy was he wanted $25 to ship what amounted to an 800 ct. box of cards. I sent several e-mails back and forth and finally got him down to a more reasonable $15 - which was just a little less than the grand total of all the lots I won. Some of the arguments the seller brought up were that he didn't want the cards to get damage and each auction had to be handled separately. I insisted that I wasn't concerned if the cards got dragged here by the mail truck. I sent him an envelope with 15 checks (since each auction had to be handled separately), most of which were for less than $3... For this I was called childish, but I fianlly did get my cards - in one box - for around $8 or $9 postage. The thing Keith mentioned about eBay sellers using jacked up postage fees to compensate for eBay fees is true - but IT'S AGAINST EBAY POLICY! This is why Josh was able to get the seller's account suspended and I'd urge Ant to do the same thing if he gets overcharged in a similar fashion. The collation on these Helmar cards is simply awful... so far, I have one card that I DON'T have dupes. It breaks down to 13 bags and 14 cards with another 19 bags left to eat. Reminds me of one of the last non-Topps baseball packs I busted - 1986 Sportsflics. Took me about 15 years to finish that set. Hopefully with the number of people collecting them in the group, it won't take nearly as long. I'll wait until I have eaten all the chips to post my dupes and wants... probably on the UV server, since technically it is a UV issue. All I can say for now is that if you need a 'Double Duty' Radcliffe, I'm your man. Maybe he was double printed too? I'm using up the last two weeks of vacation time I have this year starting tomorrow. I'm headed down to Disney from Nov. 2-12 (I'm flying for once, since plane fare was just as expensive as gas for the car ride down and back.) I don't have any set in stone plans, so a side trip isn't out of the question. I got two packages of note today. The first was an eBay lot of Kellogg's cards, mostly 1975's that eliminated the two variations and two of the three regular cards for that set. (Only Jenkins remains.) The lot totaled about 100 cards, but there was lots of duplication - anyone need a 1975 Kellogg's (#45) Gaylord Perry? I have twelve. The other package comes in from Don Rice. He sends a bunch of Beatles cards from his waiver wire. I asked for them to give to my cousin, who I'll be meeting up with in Orlando. I'm sure she'll get a kick out of these. THANKS DON!! That's all to report for now. I'm still waiting for my eBay lot of T205's to arrive (#8707921160). So my face will be pressed up against the front window fogging up the glass waiting for the postman to arrive as usual. At least I'll have plenty of snacks while I wait. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:56:24 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: 1974 Topps Puzzle - Gibson, Yaz, Ryan OBCers -- Notice there is no mention of Reggie Jackson's 1974 Topps Puzzle in the subject line - that's because if you outbid me, I'll get Howard's cronies to hunt you down (remember the guys that helped Judge Schmells find his wallet at the end of Caddyshack?)!! Anyway, the link below is to a guy selling Gibby, Ryan, Yaz, and Reggie - with one caveat - they are all missing a piece! Of course this is less than optimum, but the way I look at it, I can win the Reggie for $20 instead of $250 and someday there will be another one missing pieces and I'll pick up the last piece I need and have the whole thing for $40 or less! Of course, being a Cubs/Bears/Illinois fan the piece I'm missing will be missing in the next one I see, but such is life. Anyway, if somebody collects any of the above players, it may be worth a look. By the way, if you really want the Reggie, I bid $17 - anything more and it's yours! And I really wouldn't call Howard's henchmen... http://cgi.ebay.com/1974-Topps-Baseball-Carl-Yastrzemski-Puzzle_W0QQitemZ8714627928QQcategoryZ213QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Take Care, Geno ================= To: "'John Scott Gray'" , Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 18:57:02 +0100 From: "Glenn" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World Yep. Brian Lindholme set up the map in the first place, and will be able to make the changes. Over to you, Toad-man! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Scott Gray Sent: 28 October 2005 16:40 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World My friends, I have managed to screw mine up, as I now have myself on the map twice. Is there any way to remove my worse half, or change the shout-out? John Scott Gray >From: "geno.wagner" >To: ,"Glenn" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World >Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:38:47 +0100 >Glenn -- >I added my picture/pin on the map, so you aren't alone on this little rock >now! I attached the wrong picture, then went back and added a new one, but >it combined the messages. I'm not sure how to edit the message, but I >think it really matters. Cool site! >Take Care, Geno >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Glenn" >To: >Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:03 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World > > All, > > > > The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, > > not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? > > > > The web address for the map is: > > > > http://www.frappr.com/obc > > > > Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the > > northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration > > lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of > > America! > > > > Glenn > > Glasgow, Scotland > > > > ----------------------------------------- > > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005 ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 17:34:49 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Helmar on eBay Holy cow-those are nice looking cards! ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 16:02:01 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: 72 Topps High Number Waivers Caution. I bought a lot of off-center 72 Topps High Numbers and Mid-Highs off ebay. These are the ones I couldnt use for one reason or another. On some of them, the name is not readable, on others the number is not readable. I found the numbers out on the missiing ones, so if you want some off-center 72 highs, let me know. First come, first serve as always. Please include your address. 530 (Sutton), 538, 542, 544, 551, 557, 564, 566, 567 (Marichal), 572, 573, 583, 588, 591, 603, 610, 619, 621, 630, 634, 648 Hope someone can use them! -Dan Coen ================= Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 19:09:17 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World In that case, I guess I have the same computer skills as JSG, since I somehow listed 2. Brian, can you remove my goof? > Yep. Brian Lindholme set up the map in the first place, and will be able > to make the changes. > Over to you, Toad-man! > -----Original Message----- > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of John Scott Gray > Sent: 28 October 2005 16:40 > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World > My friends, > I have managed to screw mine up, as I now have myself on the map twice. > Is there any way to remove my worse half, or change the shout-out? > Regards, > JSG > John Scott Gray >>From: "geno.wagner" >>To: ,"Glenn" >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World >>Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:38:47 +0100 >>Glenn -- >>I added my picture/pin on the map, so you aren't alone on this little >> rock now! I attached the wrong picture, then went back and added a new >> one, but it combined the messages. I'm not sure how to edit the message, >> but I don't >>think it really matters. Cool site! >>Take Care, Geno >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Glenn" >>To: >>Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:03 PM >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The OBC Map Of The World >> > All, >> > >> > The OBC Map now has 65 entries on it. If you haven't already done so, >> > not run your details up the flagpole and see who salutes? >> > >> > The web address for the map is: >> > >> > http://www.frappr.com/obc >> > >> > Let's see how many OBCers we can get on the map. At the moment the >> northeastern USA seems to be where our main membership concentration >> lies....and still there's just that one lone marker lying outside of >> > America! >> > >> > Glenn >> > Glasgow, Scotland >> > >> > ----------------------------------------- >> > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com >> > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software >> > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>Yahoo! Groups Links > Yahoo! Groups Links > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/150 - Release Date: 27/10/2005 > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:18:15 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Helmar Wants and Dups My case came today and it was a blast ripping the packs open! The dups, ofcourse, were prolific but I got 41 different cards in the case which seemsto be a little above average. I got 33 different baseball and 8 differentboxers, leaving me with a need for 26 more baseball and 7 more boxers. I may order another case, I hear the barbeque is good and the carmel corn is really good (the case I opened was chedder and sour cream). -Dave Fallen BASEBALL WANT LIST George Anderson-House of David Walter Ball Cool Papa Bell Moe Berg Kaoru Betto James Cobbin Jimmie Crutchfield Kiki Cuyler Leon Daniels Tom Dewhirst-Sic, Dewhurst Martin Dihigo Bill Donovan Happy Felsch Elmer Flick Sadayoshi Fujimoto Dave Harrison Joe Jackson-Chicago Joe Jackson-Cleveland John McGraw Jiro Noguchi Turkey Stearns Rube Waddell Percy Walker Johnny Washington Buck Weaver Ross Youngs BOXING WANT LIST Jimmy Adamick Jack Dempsy Sam McVea Battling Nelson Sugar Ray Robinson Max Schmelling Jack Sharkey BASEBALL DUPLICATES Dennis Biddle 3 Sherwood Brewer 5 Mordecai Brown 5 Ray Caldwell 2 Lloyd Dalager 5 Johnny Evers 3 Rube Foster 3 Chick Gandil 5 Sy Gragg 1 Art Hamilton 1 Joe Hauser 1 Pete Hill 2 Hugh Jennings 4 Cecil Kaiser 1 Herb Pennock 1 Billy Rogell 3 Jesse Lee Tally 1 BOXING DUPLICATES Jack Johnson 1 Stanley Ketchel 2 Darnell Knox 6 Bob Sage 1 ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 08:35:26 -0400 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Long Island National For those of you planning to attend, the doors open at 10. Johnny Blanchard autographs start at 10:30 followed by Bud Daly at noon. Hope to see you there. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:52:11 +0000 From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: GBSCC Shriner's show: Wlimington, MA The best show New England has to offer is next weekend November 4-6. As is the norm, all spaces are sold out. This year the GBSCC (Greater Boston Sports Collectors Club) outsourced their autograph function so there will be more guests if you're into that sort of thing. Times and other details can be found on their website: www.gbscc.com. My plan was to go Friday and Saturday but it turns out that I'll be getting my septic tank pumped on Friday...crappy timing I guess you could say :-) So I'll be going Saturday and maybe drop in Sunday for a bit. As has been tradition, all OBCers in attendance on Saturday meet in the dining room at hign noon. I'll be there and hope to see some of y'all there too. Happy Collecting! ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:02:40 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Three day show in Northern VA next weekend There is a three day show in Northern VA next weekend (Nov 4 - 6). Is anyone going? Anyone want to get together for a swap? Out-of-towners are welcome to stay at my house. ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:28:28 EDT To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Three day show in Northern VA next weekend I'll be there on Saturday afternoon. Ed Schott, will you be there? I have several boxes of cards for kids for you. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:08:46 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: Steve Mingori????? So I was looking through my 1977 set today--and lo and behold there were two Rob Bellior cards #312. How lucky can you get--only problem--there was no card 314 Steve Mingori. Can anybody help refinish my 1977 set-- peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:32:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Exhibits & Other Availables Looking for a good home: 1947-66 Exhibits: Cooper, Doby, Ennis, Evers, Galan, Marshall, Spahn, Torgeson, Verban, Vernon. 1974 Topps Baseball Team Checklists: Red Sox, Indians, Brewers, Angels, White Sox, A's, Expos, Mets, Braves, Reds, Astros, Giants. 1979 Hostess: 3 40 41 58 59 1977 Hostss: 50 88 92 93 1975 Hostess: 22 1963 Post Baseball: 198 1961 Post Baseball: 165 1956 Topps Baseball: 82 1972 Kelloggs ATG: #3 McGraw Anybody want to give these guys a good home? ================= To: Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:03:48 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Oddball availables OBCers -- I have a few weird cards available: 1948 Leaf Boxing #20 Harry Greb Topps Ringside Boxing #12 Billy Conn and #71 Tony Pellone Topps Planes card #23 F-84-K Ficon Preference goes to anyone who can deliver one of these pesky cards that I need (I think they are all commons and World Series cards): 1974 Topps or OPC: 106, 291, 358, 505, 551 1973 Topps or OPC: 60, 84, 161, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 406, 430, 456, 492, 524, 562, 590, 605, 625, 647, 652 1972 Topps or OPC: 72, 222, 225, 226, 227, 229, 230, 236, 256, 269, 406, 417, 537, 542, 546, 614, 719 1971 Topps or OPC: 4, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 212, 219, 273, 282, 328, 329, 330, 332, 501, 542, 562, 582 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 12:57:10 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FRAPPER OBC MAP with Pics I'll chime in since I began the "project" initially. At 79 entries we are still just about 3/4 our membership. That's a bit better than the lackluster start . Adding photos is also pretty easy, but if you have difficulty...speak up as there are many who can help. I am the administrator of the OBC map, by default, and I'm sure there are functions that I can do that other members may not be able to do...although honestly I have not tried. ( JSG I will try deleting your duplicate entry...lmk what it is that you desire) My plea is that those who have not entered, please do. Those who have entered without pictures, please do.(Turn OBC into OBSee:) Let's get this to 100% !! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Celenox@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FRAPPER OBC MAP with Pics I think we shouls add as many photos as we can, I think its a cool concept to put faces to the mails and screen names. I have 2 photos up there im thinking of adding more We Should all add a few pics What do u think? ROB GIOIA SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:40:09 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC Shriner's show: Wlimington, MA I'll be there Friday. -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 10:52 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC Shriner's show: Wlimington, MA The best show New England has to offer is next weekend November 4-6. As is the norm, all spaces are sold out. This year the GBSCC (Greater Boston Sports Collectors Club) outsourced their autograph function so there will be more guests if you're into that sort of thing. Times and other details can be found on their website: www.gbscc.com. My plan was to go Friday and Saturday but it turns out that I'll be getting my septic tank pumped on Friday...crappy timing I guess you could say :-) So I'll be going Saturday and maybe drop in Sunday for a bit. As has been tradition, all OBCers in attendance on Saturday meet in the dining room at hign noon. I'll be there and hope to see some of y'all there too. Happy Collecting! SPONSORED LINKS card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector card holder Topps baseball cards Baseball card storage YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:04:37 -0400 To: david.fallen@comcast.net (Dave Fallen), From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PayPal/ sponsor?/ S&H fees on ebay/ Jack Dempsey You made some good points Dave but the main issue seems to be the bank acct #. I think I have an easy solution for you & others. Open a Washington Mutual checking acct. It is free to open & no monthly fees. I think you can even open with $1 deposit as opposed to other banks wanting $25 or $50 to start with. Anyway, use Washington Mutual acct to get verified by. Then only keep $100 (or $20) or whatever amount in it & use it exclusively for Paypal. Would that work or am I forgetting something? BTW I've used Paypal for like 6 years with no problems & they have 3 of my acct #s 2 Visa & one checking) & I'm a verified Premiere member, so yes I get charged about 3% when I get paid fro ebay but it is worth it since I can accept payments from people using a Paypal balance, a credit card or a bank acct. Also you can get a debit card to for Paypal acct (Visa logo) & use it at ATMs for cash (only a $1 wd fee. Or use it at stores/USPS/Burger King etc and you get back like 1.5% I think, which makes the 3% fee about 1.5% in the long run :-) I told this to a couple of ebay sellers that said they do not take Paypal and was told GREAT IDEA but I don't know if they ever did anything. As far as Helmar, I don't know exactly what was meant by "sponsor our site", but you can sell a major banner or exclusive ad on your site without losing your independence. So I think it is for sure something for the OBCAC to consider. Yes Ken it is against ebay's rules to make money of off the S&H I think. I haven't read up on the rules lately like I did Paypal last night. But they do not specify a max amount or guideline AFAIK. Naxcom does do this. Another problem is HANDLING has a broad definition & many dealers can justify the extra fee in the handling espec if gas is $3 a gallon & if they pay someone to do that part of the work like wrapping or running to the PO. Also some use Priority Mail which is obviously higher & others make insurance mandatory & include it in the fee. Some include delivery confirmation (.55) in the fee too. So I THINK the bottom line is.... as long as you charge no more than $5 a card S&H, I think ebay let's it go. I don't do that & think ebay is getting cheated out of commission but that's the way I see it. I noticed one guy (Shawn?) had like 12 Cool Papa Bells & another guy didn't get even one! And out of the 7+ cases, only one Jack Dempsey card! He's the main card I'd want. Reason being is GrandPa had always claimed we were related, and we have a Dempsey in our family tree on his side of course. I haven't verified yet though but I haven't tried either really. I wouldn't be surprised either way. ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 19:05:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Show Report I went to the Long Island national today. The event was not as good as usual. I saw my two favorite dealers there. I was surprised to see John Morrison there. However, he was only there to buy. I also saw Johnny Hustle there, but he was only selling a few of his high grade cards. Local show regular Dan Jacobson's inventory was smaller and more expensive than usual. For example, wherease the last several shows he was selling '51 and '52 Bowmans for 1 and 2 bucks a piece, they were more than double that amount this time while the '55 Bowmans were 1.25. Also, Ken Savage was at the last LI National, but was absent this time. Overall, I was disappointed. Can anyone suggest an auction site other than ebay? I did pick up some inexpensive '69 decals, but could find little else off my WL. Of the few cards I thought were on my WL, e.g., a '54 Topps Lund and '57 Runnels, they turned out to be dupes! If anyone is in the mood to trade, I picked up a few '67 highs (539, 548,559 and 599) and a few 1933 Goudeys (65, 152, 161, 166, 185). ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 17:00:13 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: finally home after 5 1/2 weeks in hospital Just thought I would let everybody know....I am home Finally. After,3 major surgeries......for a perforated colon........I contracted a bad infection.....then they had to go in and clean out the infection.......was doing ok.....but then a leak in bowel area. They had to go in again for a colostomy bag installed.........then with all the major antibiotics, that they were, giving me. to fight off the infection.......they knocked out my kidneys......so I am on dialysis...... I am very weak and have lost over 23 lbs. I have a bunch of stuff to thru......I hope you all understand. Its going to be a long haul, But, each day hopefully will get better. Ken Goetsch ================= To: , Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:49:37 -0500 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant You could just open a small account at a different bank if you wish and just use that for paypal. It's really kind of painless. That way the rest of your assets aren't in any kind of peril. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Fallen To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant Some of you may not know that PayPal has a spending limit on "unverified"accounts. Maybe this rant will alert you. I have been using PayPal since August 2003. I have completed 145 PayPal payments in that time. My eBay rating is 629 based on 777 positive feedbacks, and zero negative ones. So it was a great shock to me to get a messagefrom PayPal that I was nearing my spending limit and needed to become "verified" to continue using PayPal. Looking into this situation, I discovered that PayPal has a $2,000 spending limit. This limit is CUMULATIVE. Now a monthly limit would make sense - even an annual one. But a lifetime limit of $2,000? They claim this is a security precaution to minimize fraud. Give me a break! Look at my track record above. It appears you become a fraud risk only after you have established your reliability as a buyer. Becoming "verified" involves providing PayPal with bank account information. Yeah, like that's going to happen. I pay via a credit card that I have had forever. The credit card account has a zero balance because I pay itoff at the end of each month. What the @!#$% do they need my private bankaccount information for? So I've stopped using PayPal. This means: 1. Sellers have to wait longer for their money. 2. Sellers have the inconvenience of physically handling a check, makingthe deposit, etc. 3. I have to wait longer to receive my purchase. 4. It is more expensive for me as I have to pay postage, money order fees, 5. PayPal is losing out on business. It's not just me, there is a growing community of P.O.ed former PayPal users. I do have a small balance left on my PayPal spending limit. I will use it only if (1) it is a scarce item I can't live without, and (2) the seller only accepts PayPal. Thanks for listening. -Dave Fallen SPONSORED LINKS Baseball card supply Baseball card display case Baseball card protector Baseball card holder Nolan ryan baseball card Topps baseball cards YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 20:27:16 -0700 (PDT) To: "Greg \(yaz\)" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant I use net bank..it cost 50 to open an "acount" and that's it....this way you don't need to use your regular bank. good luck http://www.netbank.com/ "Greg (yaz)" wrote: You could just open a small account at a different bank if you wish and just use that for paypal. It's really kind of painless. That way the rest of your assets aren't in any kind of peril. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Fallen To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 11:39 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] PayPal Rant Some of you may not know that PayPal has a spending limit on "unverified" accounts. Maybe this rant will alert you. I have been using PayPal since August 2003. I have completed 145 PayPal payments in that time. My eBay rating is 629 based on 777 positive feedbacks, and zero negative ones. So it was a great shock to me to get a message from PayPal that I was nearing my spending limit and needed to become "verified" to continue using PayPal. Looking into this situation, I discovered that PayPal has a $2,000 spending limit. This limit is CUMULATIVE. Now a monthly limit would make sense - even an annual one. But a lifetime limit of $2,000? They claim this is a security precaution to minimize fraud. Give me a break! Look at my track record above. It appears you become a fraud risk only after you have established your reliability as a buyer. Becoming "verified" involves providing PayPal with bank account information. Yeah, like that's going to happen. I pay via a credit card that I have had forever. The credit card account has a zero balance because I pay it off at the end of each month. What the @!#$% do they need my private bank account information for? So I've stopped using PayPal. This means: 1. Sellers have to wait longer for their money. 2. Sellers have the inconvenience of physically handling a check, making the deposit, etc. 3. I have to wait longer to receive my purchase. 4. It is more expensive for me as I have to pay postage, money order fees, etc. 5. PayPal is losing out on business. It's not just me, there is a growing community of P.O.ed former PayPal users. I do have a small balance left on my PayPal spending limit. I will use it only if (1) it is a scarce item I can't live without, and (2) the seller only accepts PayPal. Thanks for listening. -Dave Fallen YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 21:22:02 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: a couple of availables I picked up some dupes at the card show this weekend.. Great to Hang with Sal and Kev..Thanks guys... have a go at them boys...please send address.. 1961 336, 321,157,288,246,243, 1964 72,98,108,181,236 Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. ================= To: "'ken goetsch'" , Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 01:38:43 -0500 From: Scott Earle Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home after 5 1/2 weeks in hospital I hope you get thru this well and back to yourself real soon. It's good to see that you are fighting through it. I'll say a prayer for you! And fight the good fight :-) I know sort of how you feel, that's why I haven't been active myself. God Bless - From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 6:00 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home after 5 1/2 weeks in hospital Just thought I would let everybody know....I am home Finally. After,3 major surgeries......for a perforated colon........I contracted a bad infection.....then they had to go in and clean out the infection.......was doing ok.....but then a leak in bowel area. They had to go in again for a colostomy bag installed.........then with all the major antibiotics, that they were, giving me. to fight off the infection.......they knocked out my kidneys......so I am on dialysis...... I am very weak and have lost over 23 lbs. I have a bunch of stuff to thru......I hope you all understand. Its going to be a long haul, But, each day hopefully will get better. Ken Goetsch YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS * Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings " on the web. * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "OBC" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 06:28:53 -0500 From: "larry tipton" Subject: John Ball Auction Thanks to Ken and everyone else for all their efforts. I had the honor of meeting John back in the Spring of 1996 when OBC members met for some Spring Training fun. This group continues to amaze me, and I am very proud to be a ================= To: "OBC" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 07:07:36 -0500 From: "larry tipton" Subject: Guru Update Greeting to all my OBC friends, a quick update since I have not been very busy with OBC. I am still here! Most of you know my wife (ex) of 28 years divorced me two years ago. A divorce I didn't want or deserve. Through all of my experiences during the past couple of years I think I have come out of this a better person, and I am looking towards my future more than looking back. I am on the road to Like all of you guys, I live a very busy life. After a 24 year career as an FAA Air Controller I am eligible to retire. But with three of my four kids in college, I am sticking with it until I reach my mandatory retirement age of 56 (I turn 52 in December). I still enjoy going to work every day, but if that changes, I'll just leave. My post retirement plans are totally in the I have two grandkids now. They live close-by and I baby-sit two days a week as my daughter finishes her education. I like being "Pa-Pa". Fitness is a lifestyle with me; I ran my first 5K in 1988. I purchased an elliptical trainer (too much traffic to continue running) and train on that 5X a week. I also workout to a Yoga DVD 2X a week. That's right, Guru is into Yoga! I also pursue weightlifting 3X a week. I eat pretty well too; my problem is that I just eat too much! So I guess I won't be buying any cases of potato chips. I am still active in my church. I lead a singles Sunday school class, facilitate our divorce recovery programs, and play in the orchestra (percussion/drummer). I have really grown closer to God through all of this. I try to keep God #1 in all areas of my life. God has really blessed me! I have kids in NYC and Vail, and I enjoy visiting them. I have also become quite the NASCAR fan, and have been to races in Las Vegas and Daytona. After 28 years of marriage, I am enjoying the single life. I've not dated anyone, and I'm not looking either. Maybe someday? Most days I am quite happy. Card collecting is definitely on the back burner, but I still enjoy them. I read my Ramblings everyday, and value my membership. Thanks Geno and all the OBCAC members. And thank all of the rest of you guys for being my friends. Larry Tipton ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 12:40:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Text for Exhibit Checklist Howdy folks, I'm getting near (30% complete) that I'd like to turn my 1947-66 Exhibit Baseball list into a "need" rather than a "have" list. Does anybody know of a source for the text of the set, to save some typing? ================= To: , Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 10:16:50 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Text for Exhibit Checklist Jim, I can provide the text for you. It's in my data base and I need to extract it before I send it to you. I can't get to it until tonight or tomorrow - is that OK? What format would you like, plain text, Excel, CSV, or ? -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: jimbo777777 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 4:40 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Text for Exhibit Checklist Howdy folks, I'm getting near (30% complete) that I'd like to turn my 1947-66 Exhibit Baseball list into a "need" rather than a "have" list. Does anybody know of a source for the text of the set, to save some typing? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 14:31:56 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: 1963 topps question Hey Everyone I recently bought a low grade box of cards, i was going through them and found 10 1963 topps Checklists #192. Now that being said 5 of them were Yellow top, Red Circle and white writting, 5 were Red Top yellow circle and red writing. Is this a variation? and are they common? PS if you need one or the other let me know i have a few...LOL ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:04:46 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: LI Show/This and That Hey all: Met up with Jeff Delott, Sal Domino, Dan Angland and Kevin Martens at Hofstra University yesterday, for what has become a semi-annual event on Long Island-the JP Sports "major" show. Had a real nice time catching up although I caught Dan and Kevin as I was leaving. Jeff is right, things seemed a bit more expensive than I remember, although there were some bargains. Not a lot of bargain bins though-only saw a couple of those. Dealers are having a tough time of it and I think the higher prices reflect that. I also think, that as fairly priced high end cards dry up (everybody is grading them) the lower grade cards become more expensive for dealers to stock up on. I managed to bone up on 19 of the 24 1974 Topps stamp albums and found 2 nice oddball Topps items (both of Cleon Jones) a 1967 Punchout and a 71 coin proof, something I have never seen before. Another dealer had a 71 coin proof of Willie Mays which I passed on ($250-ouch!) so I saw two in one place after seeing zero at every other show I've been to. Weird. I also filled in some Mets and Dodgers Team sets and a few insert sets. Not a bad show, but I was hoping for a little more variety. I heard a lot of "I left those at home" from the dealers. Kevin Savage looked like he missed the show but there were some pretty good out of town dealers there so it all worked out in the end. It also seemed there was less UV stuff around. Plenty of memorabilia dealers, but less UV cards. And it also seemed like the high end graded stuff was not moving. Most dealers I spoke with though, were doing OK, which I thought was odd since the room looked empty but the tables covered a big area. The next big LI show will be in March, so I'll have to decide between Fort Washington and this show. I want to support the big local show, since we don't have much of anything else these days but Ft. Wash has the great dealer array. Well, there's a few months to figure that one out. ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:19:32 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 topps question...Correction NOT 192 i typed it in wrong, Its 102 Hey Everyone I recently bought a low grade box of cards, i was going through them and found 10 1963 topps Checklists #192. Now that being said 5 of them were Yellow top, Red Circle and white writting, 5 were Red Top yellow circle and red writing. Is this a variation? and are they common? PS if you need one or the other let me know i have a few...LOL ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 15:49:08 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Stan the Man for cheap on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8713780950&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 A nice looking 1962 Musial that doesn't have the year in the description. Shipping calculated as $2.33 for me. OBCer bound? Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: , , Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 18:09:00 -0600 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: Availables http://showmesavants.com/baseball/Dupes.htm I finally have my Dupes back online. A few changes this time around, all the cards have been graded (roughly) and the list includes Topps from 53 - 68 with inserts, variations from 58 - 78 and a smattering of oddball pre-1980 items. The list will continue to grow as I have time, but I'm really interested in making it shrink first by sending some of these cards to you.....yes you, the one reading this email right now! Hurry, you don't want to miss out! Let me know if you see anything that strikes your fancy. Since I don't upgrade my vintage sets, there are quite a few nice condition cards I had no idea were hiding in these boxes. :) Take Care All, ================= Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:36:43 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Nightmare on ivy Drive For the past decade, I kept an inventory of the condition of every single card and variation that I had on a program called Sportcheck. Last week all my data disappeared. I can't stomach the thought of having to redo the process, but realize sometime I will have to do so. Can anyone suggest a more reliable inventory program? ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 20:16:52 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: Doug Smith I received a call from Doug Smith a few minutes ago. He sounds pretty good. He's realistic about his future. Sentencing is schedule for December. He's been released from an intensive 4-month therapy program into a half-way house at the same location. He was able to read about the W.S. in the newspaper but was not allowed to watch on T.V. I don't think he's been allowed any T.V. at all in his program. The time between now and sentencing will be structured but he is free to travel (with notification) anywhere in the U.S. so Doug said he's looking forward to seeing his new When Doug asked me about OBC, I told him about the Helmar Brewing stuff that is going on. About how one of us bought 5 cases of chips and did not even get a whole set. He had a good chuckle at that one. Speaking of Doug and Helmar, there is some artwork available from the site that might be a nice thing to get for Doug. I saw a painted wooden sign of Christy Mathewson, one of the guys that Doug collects. Check out the link: http://www.helmarbrewing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=HS&Product_Code=WPmatty&Category_Code=WPa The sign costs $70 (incl shipping) but there seem to be $1 and $5 coupons floating around in the bags of chips that can be used for us to 50% of the price of the merchandise. Does anyone have a nice stack of coupons? I think you can get a starter set of crowns thrown in. If someone has some coupons and will buy the sign for Doug, a few others (say 7 of us) can chip in $5 each. I know that Doug might not get to enjoy this for very long, because of his impending sentencing, but its still a thoughtful thing that I'd like to participate in. Please write me or ramblings if you'd like to help out. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 02:12:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: 73 Variation? I'm not sure if I have anything here, but I thought I would ask the group. I was filing some cards sent to me this week. While sorting a few of the 73's, I noticed I had two number 297's in my box. When I checked the fronts, I discovered that while one card pictures Walt Williams, the other card has the front of Reggie Smith's card. Reggie should have card number 40 in the set. I'm just wondering if this is a rarity or if this is something not to get too excited about. Just looking for a little help from the group. Also, I just want to say thanks to everyone. I am really enjoying being part of the group. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:33:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Random Avaiables I went to a small show this morning. Nothing very exciting, but I did pick up a few commons very cheaply. If anyone can use any of the following, please take them. The majority are White Sox players. 66 topps - 164 123 68 topps - 420 229 70 topps - 368 347 316 274 263 217 152 123 91 73 51 20 18 71 topps - 458 436 413 311 267 186 169 56 13 72 topps - 361 73 15 73 topps - 439 328 261 238 194 105 I also picked up a few Cadaco discs if anone is interested. Most of them are newer, but if you collect cadaco, feel free. I think Cadaco was the first baseball board game I played. I used to keep stats and record totals on the backs of the cards. Eventually I graduated to APBA and settled in with Strat. Feel free to take any or all. MIddle sections missing: CUrt Blefary, Don Lock, Bill White Newer cards: Buddy Bell George Brett Steve Carlton Dave Concepcion George Foster Steve Garvey Keith Hernandez Ron Guidry Fred Lynn Terry Kennedy Bill Madlcok Joe MOrgan Graig Nettles Al Oliver Lance Parrish Jim Rice Mike Schmidt Ted Simmons Ken Singleton Alan Trammel Take it easy ================= To: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:24:03 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Bidding out of spite?!? OBCers -- I thought my $17 bid on the 1974 Reggie Jackson Puzzle (missing one piece) was safe, and thought I might get it for $9.99 - who would want a puzzle missing a piece? Well, obviously Jeffreydirkin does, because he outbid me. I told myself I wouldn't bid any higher, but then just got mad and put in a $34 bid to double my price. Do you guys ever bid just because you're pissed somebody outbid you? By the way, it wasn't enough and young Jeffrey is welcome to his puzzle at that price...but I'm not bitter. Grumble, grumble Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 03:03:22 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Helmar set auction Dealerscum won the Helmar set @ $66...Not a bad price! ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:44:35 EST To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Last chance to help me with large auction lot I have had a great response from folks wanting cards from the lot I offered to share. Those who have received their cards already seem to happy with them. Here is what I have left if anyone wants to take a second look. I am listing condition and the condition-adjusted value. I would prefer to trade these cards for something on my want list, but if you want to help with my investment, apply a 60% discount to the total of whatever you want.. 1961 Topps: 17 exmt $6 21 nm $10 98 ex $3 109 nm $6 138 exmt $3 185 nm $5 403 exmt+ $4 1962 Topps: 4 nm $4 21 exmt+ $5 79 nm $4 158 ex $3 175 exmt $3 185 exmt $3 217 exmt $8 513 exmt $5 520 exmt $5 1963 Topps: 6 exmt $9 39 exmt $5 43 exmt$6 54 exmt $5 150 exmt $4 180 exmt $8 190 exmt $5 1964 Topps: 5 ex $7 40 ex $4 68 ex $2 71 ex $2 87 ex $3 97 ex $2 109 ex $3 156 ex $2 160 exmt $6 188 ex $3 226 ex $3 1965 Topps: 37 exmt $2 39 exmt $2 52 exmt $2 81 exmt $2 86 exmt $2 97 exmt $2 190 $1 561 exmt $5 1966 Topps: 19 exmt $3 33 $0 85 $1 90 exmt $8 93 exmt $2 99 exmt $6 103 exmt $2 116 nm $6 131 exmt $4 170 $0 190 ex $1 225 $1 234 exmt $10 267 exmt $2 372 nm $5 424 ex $4 Brock H. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:21:31 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC Shriner's show: Wlimington, MA I plan to be there at least Saturday, hopefully Friday as well. See you guys at noon if not before! --- jrhatchjr@comcast.net wrote: > The best show New England has to offer is next weekend November 4-6. As is > the norm, all spaces are sold out. This year the GBSCC (Greater Boston > Sports Collectors Club) outsourced their autograph function so there will be > more guests if you're into that sort of thing. Times and other details can > be found on their website: www.gbscc.com. Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 07:20:42 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Subject: Followup to : Advice desparately sought. I think I have been had on ebay. Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:32:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Farrell Subject: Advice desparately sought. I think I have been had on ebay. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Hello All, I recently purchased an Aaron rookie on ebay. It arrived today and I am pretty certain it is a fake. It feels too thick, to stiff, the edges feel to sharp and the gloss appears all wrong. If I had to guess I would think that the card was created by a real nice color copier. The guy I bought it from responded to my email that the card was a fake by asking how I could be sure it was a fake. He is insisting it is real. How should I proceed with this guy ? have any of you had any similar experiences ? Here is the auction url. I don't know if the picture will still be there. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5245315035&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 thanks alot. Yahoo! for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:31:32 EST To: rrfarrell@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Followup to : Advice desparately sought. I think I have ... Bob: Nice to see that the good ole fashion direct approach works instead of hiring detectives, bringing in the post office crime unit and getting an FBI report on the culprit. Most folks are honest! In a message dated 10/31/2005 9:28:47 AM Central Standard Time, rrfarrell@yahoo.com writes: Hello All, A short time ago I posted a message about a fake 54 Aaron I bought from ebay. After receiving much good advice I devised a plan for getting my money back. I began with the most obvious. I asked for the money back. The seller initially questioned how I knew the card was a fake. I sent him back a pretty extensive bullet list of what was wrong with the card. There was a lot wrong. The thickness, stiffness, the edges, the opacity...etc. He then admitted that he was new to collecting and didn't realize that such cards could be counterfitted. He did agree to refund my money and was quite concerned about my leaving him negative feedback. I did get the check in the mail for the full amount plus shipping even. The check has cleared, concluding this episode in the best possible way for me (of course getting a real card up front would have been better). I will not leave him negative feedback as I think that he was probably dupped by someone else. More importantly he responded in timely and reasonable Thanks to all who responded. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 10:27:25 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: 60s Football waiver wire Hello, I bought a 300+ box of 50s and 60s baseball cards and got a few Few Football thrown in so anyone working on these sets let me know REMEMBER THESE ARE FOOTBALL 1960 topps# 16 /115 1960 fleer #43 1961 topps # 31/83/84/98/110/115/136/146/149/154 1964 topps #8/10/22 66T #39/128 And here is the KICKER, i have a 1962 topps starter lot 25 cards ....problem someone had a hole puncher and punched out the #s......so if ya want them claim them Rob Gioia ================= To: Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 21:00:53 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Spite bidding...again OBCers -- Remember my note about bidding out of spite on that stupid Reggie Puzzle? Let me remind you, I originally bid $17 for the thing that was missing a piece. I thought it was easy pickins, but I was outbid so I ran it up to $34 just to spite the other guy (Jeffreydirkin...my new arch-enemy)... Now let me digress for a second (this is a ramble after all). When I left Russia the other day, I found out that you couldn't take Roubles out of the country. However, I had to settle all hotel bills and taxi bills to the airport in cash, so I had to get a wad of Roubles before I left. This is leading somewhere, so be patient. Anyway, I ended up with 3500 Roubles at the airport that I had to get rid of. My wife said she didn't want anything at the Duty Free Shop, so I decided I'd buy the best bottle of whiskey they had, The Macallan (18 yr old - good stuff). It came to about 3000 Roubles ($120 or so), but I would have lost it otherwise, so what the hell. So now I sit here sipping on my expensive whiskey and decide to up the bid - $40. Damn - still outbid!! What kind of fool is this Jeffreydirkin?? Does he have the missing piece - sort of like Wonka's Golden Ticket?!? Maybe it's the only piece he currently owns and this is his dream lot. So, I am now doing Reality Bidding. Here, live on Ramblings, under the influence of expensive whiskey, I am going to bid $50 just because I don't like Jeffreydirkin. Standby... Unbelievable!! I am outbid again!!!! Damn that Jeffreydirkin...I'm going to bed. Good Night All and Happy Halloween, ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:12:29 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spite bidding...again Does anyone else think that perhpas Geno needs to come back stateside? ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:18:59 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spite bidding...again What Geno does not know is that Jeffery is actually Reggie himself...Maybe Geno can buy just one piece of the puzzle from this guy and call it really really Tipton and just be done with it and cross it off his list...although if bidding continues that one piece will cost about $17. PS I stopped bidding drunk when I bought a Mario Mendoza for $2.00 because I thought that the invoice would be cool and in my mind I was not going to bid more than the Mendoza line for that card!! ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:21:32 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spite bidding...again Imagined conversations with Jeffrey Dirkin. Me: "Wow, that's a cool puzzle, Jeff. Don't think I've seen one of those JD: "Ha! They'll cost you an arm, that's for sure." Me: "But it's missing a piece! Surely, that's not more than $20 worth of JD: "Yeah, you'd THINK that. Then you get those frickin' eBay dealers with shill bidder friends. Thought my $51 bid would be a joke, a shoo-in, but then this guy keeps bumping it up, little bit at a time, squeezing me for all of Me: "Wow, that sucks." JD: "Eh, it's not all bad. Just for spite, I looked up the other 20 auctions this guy was bidding on and bumped 'em up $2 each." Heh heh! Go get 'em, Geno! --- "geno.wagner" wrote: > OBCers -- > Remember my note about bidding out of spite on that stupid Reggie Puzzle? > Let me remind you, I originally bid $17 for the thing that was missing a > piece. I thought it was easy pickins, but I was outbid so I ran it up to > $34 just to spite the other guy (Jeffreydirkin...my new arch-enemy)... Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: , Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:19:01 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spite bidding...again ah, but the real question is, does anyone else here (outside of V05 attendees) think that perhaps Geno never left stateside? ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 31, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spite bidding...again Does anyone else think that perhpas Geno needs to come back stateside? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS a.. Visit your group "OBC-Ramblings" on the web. b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:31 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "eBay Member: boreed@hotmail.com" Subject: Robert Reed sent you this eBay item: Set of 35 Topps Black & White cards, yr, unknown (#8715369104) obc-boreed sent you this eBay item. Personal message: Looks like a complete 69 Deckle set including errors for a starting bid of $9.99. View this Item on eBay at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item8715369104&ssPageNameADME:B:EF:US:1 Set of 35 Topps Black & White cards, yr, unknown Item number: 8715369104 Seller: rymus2032(8) Positive Feedback: 100% Member since Sep-10-05 in United States Starting bid: US $10.00 Time left: 3 days 19 hours 7-day listing Ends Nov-04-0509:28:32 PST Quantity: 1 lot=09=09=09=09=09 (35 items each)=09=09=09=09=09 Cost per item: US $0.29 each (Not sold individually) Item location: Wheat Ridge, CO United States Ships to: Worldwide This is an unusual set. Don't know the year, but reverse of cards say "T.C.G."--for Topps Chewing Gum. Cards have a white scollopped border, and the autograph of each subject is reproduced on the front of the card, in what looks like blue ink. Judging from the stars, I would guess these are 60's or 70's stuff. Reverse of cardsshow a 33 card set, but there are 2 different #11's and 2 different #22's.Presumably these are "error" cards.; 1)Brooks Robinson; 2)Boog Powell; 3)Ken Harrelson; 4)Cark Yastrzemski; 5)Jim Fregosi; 6)Luis Aparicio; 7)Luis Tiant; 8)Denny McLain; 9)Willie Horton; 10)Bill Freehan; 11)Hoyt Wilhelm; 11)Second #11--Jim Wynn; 12)Rod Carew; 13)Mel Stottlemyre; 14)Rick Monday; 15)Tommy Davis; 16)Frank Howard; 17)Felipe Alou; 18)Don Kessinger; 19)Ron Santo; 20)Tommy Helms; 21)Pete Rose; 22)Joe Foy 22)--second #22--Rusty Staub; 23)Tom Haller; 24)Maury Wills; 25)JerryKoosman; 26)Richie Allen; 27)Bob Clemente; 28)Curt Flood; 29)Bob Gibson; 30)Al Ferrara; 31)Willie McCovey; 32)Juan Marichal; 33)Willie Mays These are truly classic cards! Bidding starts at $10.00 Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More at http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted (spam) email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. Learn more about spam email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if you have any questions. Copyright =A9 2005 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective owners. eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 17:16:54 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Robert Reed sent you this eBay item: Set of 35 Topps Black Sorry, I checked the P&H after I sent this. They want $18.85 for express mail. Better check with the seller for cheaper alternatives before bidding. >From: "eBay Member: boreed@hotmail.com" >Reply-To: boreed@hotmail.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Robert Reed sent you this eBay item: Set of 35 >Topps Black & White cards, yr, unknown (#8715369104) >Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 13:51:31 -0800 >obc-boreed sent you this eBay item. >Personal message: >Looks like a complete 69 Deckle set including errors for a starting bid of >View this Item on eBay at >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8715369104&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:1 >Set of 35 Topps Black & White cards, yr, unknown >Item number: 8715369104 >Seller: rymus2032(8) >Positive Feedback: 100% >Member since Sep-10-05 in United States >Starting bid: US $10.00 >Time left: 3 days 19 hours >7-day listing >Ends Nov-04-0509:28:32 PST >Quantity: 1 lot >(35 items each) >Cost per item: >US $0.29 each >(Not sold individually) >Item location: Wheat Ridge, CO >United States >Ships to: Worldwide >This is an unusual set. Don't know the year, but reverse of cards say >"T.C.G."--for Topps Chewing Gum. >Cards have a white scollopped border, and the autograph of each subject is >reproduced on the front of the card, in what looks like blue ink. Judging >from the stars, I would guess these are 60's or 70's stuff. Reverse of >cards show a 33 card set, but there are 2 different #11's and 2 different >#22's. Presumably these are "error" cards.; >1)Brooks Robinson; 2)Boog Powell; 3)Ken Harrelson; 4)Cark Yastrzemski; >5)Jim Fregosi; 6)Luis Aparicio; 7)Luis Tiant; 8)Denny McLain; 9)Willie >Horton; 10)Bill Freehan; 11)Hoyt Wilhelm; 11)Second #11--Jim Wynn; 12)Rod >Carew; 13)Mel Stottlemyre; 14)Rick Monday; 15)Tommy Davis; 16)Frank Howard; >17)Felipe Alou; 18)Don Kessinger; 19)Ron Santo; 20)Tommy Helms; 21)Pete >Rose; 22)Joe Foy 22)--second #22--Rusty Staub; 23)Tom Haller; 24)Maury >Wills; 25)Jerry Koosman; 26)Richie Allen; 27)Bob Clemente; 28)Curt Flood; >29)Bob Gibson; 30)Al Ferrara; 31)Willie McCovey; 32)Juan Marichal; >33)Willie Mays >These are truly classic cards! Bidding starts at $10.00 >Protect yourself from Spoof (fake) emails. Learn More at >http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial. >You are receiving this email because the sender thought you would be >interested in this eBay item. You can report this message as unwanted >(spam) email at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. >Learn more about spam email at >http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-ov.html. >As outlined in our User Agreement, eBay will periodically send you >information about site changes and enhancements. Visit our Privacy Policy >at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/privacy-policy.html and User >Agreement at http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html if >you have any questions. >Copyright © 2005 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Designated trademarks and >brands are the property of their respective owners. >eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. ================= Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 04:21:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1952 Topps White & Grey backs? Leafing through my '52 Topps binder tonight, I noticed something odd. Card numbers 131 through 190 all have off-white backs (as compared to darker grey) except for #133 Al Widmar. I meant to keep George's wonderful article on the '52 set from SCD awhile back. Of course, I forgot. Wish I had it now! Has anybody else noticed this? I really went in to check to see how many of the 80 black-backs I had (it's 52) when I kept running into these whitebacks! Naturally, I had to tally 'em up! Of all the sets to get interested in variations, I had to pick the '52 set. Argh. Guess I'll hop on over to ebay and see if I can find a Whiteback ================= Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 22:26:10 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Daniel P Coen" Subject: 1963 Fleer Baseball Hey all, If you were in the chat room the other night, you may have heard about my pickup of the 1963 Fleer Baseball checklist for $20 from my new favorite Seattle card shop. Well, being that I already had picked up a Clemente for $10, I have moved this set up in priority! If anyone has any in their dupes boxes, let me know. I would be glad to hit your lists, and supply your dupes boxes if I can't. Anyway, here is the list. 1963 Fleer HAVES 1, 6, 14, 21, 27, 30, 36, 39, 56, Checklist I need the rest. Let me know if you have any. Thanks so much for OBC. -Dan Coen