================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:59:13 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PTC front design poll nominations --- keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > I have info packs on the way from a couple companies. Also check out > this site: www.mintcards.com (formerly Sport Shots). Maybe someone > will see a great design in there for us? Odd, I'm getting a message to register the mintcards.com domain name (for only $499! what a bargain!). Will you confirm the URL for us? My design vote would be 1953 Topps if we went color, unless it'll look bad with photographs instead of those nifty hand-colored B&Ws they used back in the day. 1956 Topps would be fine, though then we'd need both action and head shots. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: 1 Mar 2004 16:46:46 -0000 To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@YahooGroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PTC front design poll nominations For a post war color or B&W set, I'd vote for the 53 Bowmans. A prewar set, I'd vote for the R305 Tatoo Orbit set or 1933 Goudey. On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:14:06 -0500 (EST), keithsummers@webtv.net wrote : > I have info packs on the way from a couple companies. Also check > this site: www.mintcards.com (formerly Sport Shots). Maybe > will see a great design in there for us? I will go to a neighbor's > house to view it Monday as with webtv I can't open PDF stuff to see > they have & I don't see the prices either. It has been suggested that I > create a poll to see what front design is liked the most if we decide > go with a recognizable design. Alex Phillips can take that design, > slligtly modify it & (I think) he said even do the layout since he is a > graphic artist. At any rate, the poll can proceed to get a rough idea > of what we want, regardless of who does the layout/set up or > The poll really should only be for those that are likely to participate > in the set. Figure about $37 for 50 cards, $42 for 100 cards OR $53 > for 200 cards. This is the most it should cost. If we can do some of > the work ourself as far as design & layout then it'll likely drop some. > So if you have a card set design of any year/brand/sport you'd like us > to consider for the FRONT of our cards, email me at < > KeithSummers@webtv.net >. The first 25 will be in the poll. If we > more than 25 then we may have to do 2 polls &/or have a run off. If > have your own custom design or a card of anything you want > for the design, email it (or better yet post it on a page & send the > URL) & I'll add it to the polI. If anyone has another idea or > suggestion, both groups are open for discusion as far as I'm > When the polling starts, if you are unable to figure out the voting > procedure, then you will be allowed to email in your vote but please > post it for all to see. I'll go ahead & nominate 2. Remember to list > the YEAR, BRAND & SPORT! > 1-1974 Topps baseball > 2-1977 Topps baseball > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:03:32 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Pardon the non-baseball interruption..... I thought I’d get an early jump on the NCAA Basketball tournament. The last couple of years I’ve organized an event to spread the wealth of cardboard based on the success and failures of the college basketball teams. The way it works is each OBC member gets 4 teams, a team from each of the 4 brackets and a team from each seed group (1-4, 5-8, 9-12, 13-16). If your team loses you send something to the OBC member of the team that beat you. If your team wins you should receive something from the OBC member of the other team. In addition the member who’s team wins the whole thing will receive cards from the other 15 members. Because everything is set up perfectly for 16 people I can only accept the first 16 members who respond. If you’re interested let me know. -Bob R I believe last year I promised a spot this year to somebody that was left out. If that rings a bell with anybody let me know. Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:37:15 EST To: OBC_V04@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Head Count Vegas 2004 We would like to try and get a head count on the number of people that plan on attending the barbecue at Mike Hair's home during Vegas 2004. Please email me and let me know if you plan on attending the barbecue and how many will be in your party. This will help us plan for refreshments etc. Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:39:06 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: My Congrats As Well To the new AC members.carry the OBC banner high! ================= To: "'Fr. Patrick Wattigny'" , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 09:43:18 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Don't hold back, Padre- tell us how you really feel :>) uys, I hope this is just a ramble and not a raving tirade, but I read in the morning's sports page that President Bush has called for a meeting of the commissioners of the major sports leagues to discuss the problem of steroids/supplements use among athletes, and what can be done to eradicate the problem. OF course, the Communist SOB's that run the MLBPA are objecting to such a meeting, saying that it falls under the domain of collective bargaining and that the President of the United States has no business butting in on this matter. Excuse me, but just who in the hell do these idiots think they are, God? I would imagine that even if President Clinton (of whom I am no fan at all) had summoned such a meeting, and gotten all the commissioners of the different sports leagues to agree to it, the MLBPA would still have objected. Further still, if Jesus Christ Himself had called for such a meeting for open honest discussion, I believe these jackasses would buck it! It's a real shame that baseball, which is still the greatest game of them all, has been hijacked by such intolerant demagogues and is arguing itself into social irrelevance. All right, it sounds more like a raving tirade, so I'll stop. Insights, anyone? Happy Monday to you all, Father Pat Wattigny Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 12:05:45 -0600 To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids There are two ways to look at this situation. First, the players association has never given in to any demand that might compromise its members freedom in any way and second, it may be dawning on the players association that should widespread use of "roids" or other performance enhancing substances become public knowledge, that the public's faith in the integrity of the game would be sorely tested. Many of us suspect that "hulks" such as Bonds, Sosa, Rameriz, Mcgwire didn't get that way purely from pumping iron. To have that suspicion confirmed would be a blow to MLB's integrity that might shake it to its foundations. "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" wrote: > Guys, I hope this is just a ramble and not a raving tirade, but I read > in the morning's sports page that President Bush has called for a > meeting of the commissioners of the major sports leagues to discuss > the problem of steroids/supplements use among athletes, and what can > be done to eradicate the problem. OF course, the Communist SOB's that > run the MLBPA are objecting to such a meeting, saying that it falls > under the domain of collective bargaining and that the President of > the United States has no business butting in on this matter. Excuse > me, but just who in the hell do these idiots think they are, God? I > would imagine that even if President Clinton (of whom I am no fan at > all) had summoned such a meeting, and gotten all the commissioners of > the different sports leagues to agree to it, the MLBPA would still > have objected. Further still, if Jesus Christ Himself had called for > such a meeting for open honest discussion, I believe these jackasses > would buck it! It's a real shame that baseball, which is still the > greatest game of them all, has been hijacked by such intolerant > demagogues and is arguing itself into social irrelevance. All right, > it sounds more like a raving tirade, so I'll stop. Insights, anyone? > Happy Monday to you all, > Father Pat Wattigny > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed > Marketplace. > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 10:05:35 -0800 (PST) To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Bravo! I couldn't have said it any better (or more eloquently) myself! I don't know if I can do it justice by chiming in, but I've maintained for years that the MLBPA is part of what is wrong with the game, and as Father Pat so succincly put it, they are just showing how ridiculous they are. Father Pat has his own defense from the "flames," but I'm willing to brave them as well...bring the discussion on. Take care, --- "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Guys, I hope this is just a ramble and not a raving tirade, but I read in the morning's sports page that President Bush has called for a meeting of the commissioners of the major sports leagues to discuss the problem of steroids/supplements use among athletes, and what can be done to eradicate the problem. OF course, the Communist SOB's that run the MLBPA are objecting to such a meeting, saying that it falls under the domain of collective bargaining and that the President of the United States has no business butting in on this matter. Excuse me, but just who in the hell do these idiots think they are, God? I would imagine that even if President Clinton (of whom I am no fan at all) had summoned such a meeting, and gotten all the commissioners of the different sports leagues to agree to it, the MLBPA would still have objected. Further still, if Jesus Christ Himself had called for such a meeting for open honest discussion, I believe these jackasses would buck it! It's a real shame that baseball, which is still the greatest game of them all, has been hijacked by such intolerant demagogues and is arguing itself into social irrelevance. All right, it sounds more like a raving tirade, so I'll stop. Insights, anyone? Happy Monday to you all, Father Pat Wattigny Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:27:25 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Have any of you guys ever seen the TV series "Father Ted"? -----Original Message----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny [mailto:seventytwop@hotmail.com] Sent: 01 March 2004 17:38 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Guys, I hope this is just a ramble and not a raving tirade, but I read in the morning's sports page that President Bush has called for a meeting of the commissioners of the major sports leagues to discuss the problem of steroids/supplements use among athletes, and what can be done to eradicate the problem. OF course, the Communist SOB's that run the MLBPA are objecting to such a meeting, saying that it falls under the domain of collective bargaining and that the President of the United States has no business butting in on this matter. Excuse me, but just who in the hell do these idiots think they are, God? I would imagine that even if President Clinton (of whom I am no fan at all) had summoned such a meeting, and gotten all the commissioners of the different sports leagues to agree to it, the MLBPA would still have objected. Further still, if Jesus Christ Himself had called for such a meeting for open honest discussion, I believe these jackasses would buck it! It's a real shame that baseball, which is still the greatest game of them all, has been hijacked by such intolerant demagogues and is arguing itself into social irrelevance. All right, it sounds more like a raving tirade, so I'll stop. Insights, anyone? Happy Monday to you all, Father Pat Wattigny Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:27:09 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC_V04] Head Count Vegas 2004 Rick (and all) The Scots will be present to eat! Maureen and I are both really looking forward to this! Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: tply@aol.com [mailto:tply@aol.com] Sent: 01 March 2004 17:37 To: OBC_V04@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC_V04] Head Count Vegas 2004 We would like to try and get a head count on the number of people that plan on attending the barbecue at Mike Hair's home during Vegas 2004. Please email me and let me know if you plan on attending the barbecue and how many will be in your party. This will help us plan for refreshments etc. Tripleplay (Rick) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC_V04/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:27:02 -0600 From: "Rex E. Stahlman II" Subject: RE: [OBC_V04] Head Count Vegas 2004 Stahlman - Party of 1 See Ya There, Rex Stahlman -----Original Message----- From: tply@aol.com [mailto:tply@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:37 AM To: OBC_V04@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC_V04] Head Count Vegas 2004 We would like to try and get a head count on the number of people that plan on attending the barbecue at Mike Hair's home during Vegas 2004. Please email me and let me know if you plan on attending the barbecue and how many will be in your party. This will help us plan for refreshments etc. Tripleplay (Rick) Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC_V04/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 13:55:12 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Great start of a discussion by you Fr. Pat.. Can we get some history out of the group as well. In the last bargining agreement they opted not to have drug testing Is this correct? Has it ever been brought up before that deal was signed? If the MLBPA does not wish to discuss this matter it should hurt attendance in some respect but probably not for a couple of years, when detrimental things begin to happen to players. (Lyle Alzado). I believe that tha PA will continue to keep everyone's hands out of their pockets for there is just too much money involved in areas of baseball that if players were found to test poitive the immediate impact of their income would be sooner rather then later. So yes I can understand that they would argue not to have such meetings, for somewhere there is a 14 year old with a devestating arm that just juiced up so that he can have his millions. Would they strike?? ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:09:34 EST To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids My concern relates to the unique nature of baseball. While I totally agree with Father Pat's position and the tendency of the PA to take the road most unions take when they become overly impressed with their own power, I am very worried about the integrity and credibility of the game I love. Statistics drive popularity in baseball like in no other sport. Once the meaning of those statistics (and records) falls a questionable zone, I am concerned that a great deal of the meaning of the game becomes compromised. This challenge from the President (and I am no fan of his) is something that must be done. It is a question of right and wrong. Nevertheless, I am very worried about the end result. If any of those men who wear the uniforms have any kind of conscience, this should also weigh heavily on their shoulders. Somehow, however, I don't think it does, at least no more than concern over whether or not they will get away with what they have done. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:13:26 -0800 (PST) To: trufan999@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids --- trufan999@aol.com wrote: > Would they strike?? If the players strike over the point of random steroid testing, I'd be willing to to predict that it will make the players look like they're hiding something as far as the fans are concerned. It won't look good for them to go to such a measure. Perhaps the PA knows this, so they're blowing a smokescreen now. Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:40:44 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 12 nominations/URL correction/ OBC=28 VCT=13 I don't know what it stands for but the URL is < www.mintcards.cc > . Here are the designs nominated so far: R305 Tatoo Orbit (Bama) 1933 Goudey (Bama) 1953 Bowman (Bama) 1953 Topps (Spike) 1955 Topps (Geordie) 1956 Topps (Spike) 1965 Topps (Pat) 1966 Topps (Stufflestreet) 1974 Topps (Keith/John Leroux/Pat) 1977 Topps (Keith) 1978 Topps (Alex) 1979 Topps (Stufflestreet) ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:41:36 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids--Some serious things to consider First off, the president of the U.S. has very little jursdiciton over baseball. Why? The Constitution says so. The Justice department on the other hand can call on Congress to investigate. Second, steriod use in baseball does in fact affect the integrity of the game for reasons not mentioned in the previous rambles. Bulking up or being strong does not increase homeruns...there I said it. IT DOES NOT. Anybody who played the game knows that power comes from bat speed and contact points. Granted some of the more prolific hitters were big but some of the best (Musial, Bonds and Mantle jump to mind) were no bigger than I am but could cream the ball...Why? Bat speed. When players tend to get too big, their production goes down, look at Canseco for a recent example. Also, players who take steriods tend to destroy their bodies faster and get injured far more often (why I think Junior and Big Mac took steriods and Bonds and Ruth have not). Steriod use destroys your mind and body. The idea of it destroying the integrity of the game on a statistics level is the wrong way to look at it. I am more worried about my first graders seeing Barry, Sammy, or other heroes taking them and the idea that it is okay for kids to start. That is where I have a problem with steroid use in the major leauges....Performance enhancement (if safe) is fine by me. If they ever invent a healthy steroid then great! But the things like steroids and ephedra which are dangerous even in small doses should be banned. Third, the collective bargining agreement does allow for drug testing. It has to be monitored by the MLBPA and an independent doctor. The President called for testing across the board with no restrictions or safeguards. Also, the reason the MLBPA will not appear before Congress is because it would be a new negotiation for a new contract and that can not be public. Imagine if your job had to negotiate openely in front of Congress about your health benefits. Both sides having to declare everything to the public. It hurts the integrity of the negotiation process. Fourth, I feel that there is a middle ground. I hope they find it and find it soon. Baseball does not need another scandall. -Joshua's opinion only ================= To: Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:49:05 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: steroids a lot of people not too fond of me accused me of the use and say the proff is my health. bs. at age 30 I was able to bench press 400 lbs drug free. being a ex-college athletehard work and determination accomplished it. it does not let a player hit the ball farther as josh stated. I played highly competitive softball and hit over 300 legit hrs- over 300 ft fences, but it was bat speed and technique. plus if these guys were juiced up where is the downside? that is irrational behavoir and big mood swings. they would be inthe newspaper every day for fights etc. there its off my chest kit okamuro ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 15:59:19 EST To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Dare I play "Devil's Advocate" with Father Pat? Yes I guess I dare :-)! Please keep in mind I am not necessarily disagreeing with anyone here, I am just providing another side to the discussion. First, hasn't the President got more important things to deal with? I do not want the administration working on baseball with all the other things going on in our world today. I don't think I want any administration working on baseball's problems period! I actually agree with some of the things Josh said i.e. "Bulking up or being strong does not increase homeruns...". If you have watched Barry Bonds over the years (Like I have) you have to know he has the best command of the strike zone, bat speed and control than anyone in baseball right now. That does not mean I believe he has not taken steroids, it does mean that if he has he is one of the dumbest players ever! He could have achieved greatness without steroids. It will be very sad to fine out he is on steroids as he is set to surpass his Godfather's (The Great Willie Mays) homerun record. Prepare to see asterisk all over the record books, what a sad thought! Now, let me talk about what I think may be part of the real problem here. A-Rod getting 15 Million or more a year, salaries out of control! The ball players coming into the game to day are faced with a chance to make enough money to setup themselves and love ones up for life. These 20 something year old kids believe they have to have a competitive edge to get to the mountain top and many of them believe steroids is that edge! The money is to much of a temptation for these kids! I am afraid we will never recover from the explosive salaries but, if we could that may well go a long way towards helping these kids realize the risk of using steroids is greater than the payoff. The real criminals in all of this are the owners spending like drunken sailors when they have the money to do so while others are barely able to meet pay rolls that are not even close to the drunken sailors! Salary cap now! ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:04:01 -0500 (EST) To: VCT@YahooGroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 41 Playball style/ 74 Rookie style / F-VG look/ 1960 Topps JSG emailed me about the 2 people per card 1941 Play Ball look. I had suggested 2 people per card years ago when the topic came up along with other options. More recently I had suggested contacting Roberta about us doing a card in memory of Rick Redpath or other members that have passed on. Anyway, there's no reason any 2 members couldn't do it now if they want, if the $25 mark was their limit. In that case 100 cards would go to each guy ($50/200 cards). How about a Rick Redpath/Kevin Loehse card to honor these 2 guys? Nobody has supported blank backs so far. So if putting 2 on a card, the bios would only be half as long. It is a nice option though for people who have a $25-$27 cap. If 2 guys lived in the same state, was in the same profession or had the same fav set, it'd be even better :-) Of course the 74 Rookies had 4 per card. If some went that route it'd be about $13 each & they'd each get 50 cards. I guess someone could put their whole family on their card (4 diff pics) or like a team photo (all in 1 pic). John L suggested diff color backs for VCT & OBC cards. Keep in mind she said that the design has to be the same & 15 minimum. So if we go with an OBC logo on the front then we can go with a whole diff design in VCT, if we can get 15 to participate. I'm pretty sure we have that many in OBC that will pay $40-$42 at least. So if the 8 that are in both groups go with OBC set & do not want a VCT card then that leaves 5 VCTers in the cold, so to speak. If that is the case maybe Alex can come up with something for VCT. I have a card Alex (VCT) did by altering a 1960 Topps that I will post soon. Alex wants me to emphasize that it is just something he did a while back & not the design we have to use now or the one he likes best, etc. He can take any card & modify it plus we can go with the F-VG look if wanted. Sorry for the long rambles. Suggestions & comments are still welcome & any topic on the PTCs is open for discussion as far as I'm concerned :-) ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 16:20:05 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids I don't actually disagree with anything that has been written by anyone on this subject. There is some truth in all of these positions - at least I think there is. That said, I think we are missing a point here - one that I tried to make in my last communication. The question is not whether or not steroids boost the power skills. It is much more a matter of public perception that the steroids have altered performance and distorted the statistical base of the game.Please emphasize the phrase, "public perception." I am not a doctor or a scientist. I have no clue about whether or not the steroids have an effect. That stuff about bat speed makes sends, but what makes the bat speed of one person different from the bat speed of another. Is it all wrists, coordination, and reflexes? Aaron was said to have the best wrists ever, but did you ever see them? They were about twice the size of mine. You know, you might make the argument that the effect is all psychological. Does that mean that there is no effect? Can psychological advantage be disregarded as an unfair advantage? I think that this is a very slippery slope. As I said, all of the other points are well taken. Everyone certainly knows how I feel about the money and A-Rod and the Yankees and level playing fields, etc; but the weather forecast seems to be getting more and more gloomy for many reasons. I love baseball too much to ignore these warning signs (all the ones that have been mentioned) and I am angry as hell that all kinds of selfish interests are messing with the greatest game ever imagined. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:12:38 -0800 (PST) To: friar4@aol.com, TPLY@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids --- friar4@aol.com wrote: > I am not a doctor or a scientist. I have no clue > about whether or not the > steroids have an effect. That stuff about bat speed > makes sends, but what > makes the bat speed of one person different from the > bat speed of another. Is it > all wrists, coordination, and reflexes? Aaron was > said to have the best wrists > ever, but did you ever see them? They were about > twice the size of mine. Friar has a point. Here's something to toss into the mix: As to inflated stats, keep in mind that there are almost twice as many teams in the major leagues as there had been prior to 1961. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that there are a lot of players on major league rosters that would not have belonged in the majors if it were still the size it was then. The resulting thinning of the talent might have a lot to do with the equation. The last expansion year was what? 1998? Hmm...does that year bring back any memorable stats? This has absolutely nothing to do with steroids and everything to do with the talent pool. Just something to chew This is a fascinating discussion...keep it going. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:40:20 EST To: OBC_V04@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: More Vegas We are going to need a total head count for Vegas even if you arte not going to make the ribfest please let me know if you plan on attending Vegas 2004. I still need a good count for the Ribfest as well. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:01:23 EST To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Here is a radical view (that I am not advocating)! Why not legalize steroids to make a level playing field? Let the players decide if they can use the stuff without hurting themselves. Let the medical community identify safe amounts (if there is such a thing). I am not sure the use of steroids would help any player but, legalizing them will stop the appearance of unfair advantages. That said, I will say I am totally against what I just typed I just wanted this interesting "Rambling" to continue! Trips (Tong in cheek and stirring with a big stick) ================= To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:20:13 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids First of all, thanks Fr Pat for starting off a fun discussion. Sitting in a hotel room, I've some time on my hands so here's my 2 cents. Not sure how much steroids or other performance enhancing drugs are affecting HR totals. While McGwire, and Bonds certainly have bulked up since their early playing days. Remember that McGwire had 49 his rookie year and to me at least, it seems that Bonds HR prowess is mainly from greatpitch selection and tremendous bat speed. My gut feeling is that the McGwire and Bonds don't really need the steroids. But some of the players aotch or two below might or at least THEY think they might. That said, something is going on. Ever watch a game from the 70's or 80's on ESPN classic, the players seem tiny compared to today's players. So it does seem that the players are bulking up. Better diet yes, better training yes. But it may also be better drugs. I think one of the side affects of the drugs (or perhaps the weight training) is the high amount injuries. Look at the games played per year of Aaron and Mays, compare that to McGwire and Griffey. OK that wasn't very fair, but I do believe the number of trips to the DL has increased dramatically per player over the past 10 years? And how many times have you seen a 2nd baseman hit a ball on their fists and it goes 400 feet. Maybe it's the players on steroids, or maybe it's just the balls on steroids. Having AAA pitchers in the majors (thank you expansion) doesn't help either. I agree with Trips on President Bush. I think there are a few more problems in the country and world, that he should be concentrating on. I'm more concerned about my bus driver being on drugs than my second baseman. Athough, if Pres. Bush concentrates on BB, perhaps that would keep him (and us) out of trouble ;-) As for the Union, I'd have to strongly disagree w/ Fr Pat here. I do not think they are communist. They have no concern at all for the common man (communists probably don't either, but at least they say they do). They wouldn't negotiate the DH in exchange for a 26th man on the roster (as was proposed by the owners). They'd rather extend the career of Frank Thomas (who's already got the $$$) than add 28 major leaguers. And if they really cared about their members they would be doing everything they could to eliminate steroids and all their negative side-affects as illustrated by the Ken Camanettis, Lyle Alzados and Jose Canseco's of the world. And most importantly, do everything they could to make steroids NOT be an attractive option to the 18 year old H/S senior. The union seems totally concerned with the upper 5-10% of their membership, making sure Arod gets $25 M a year instaed of $22M. I think the Union would actually lean more torwards the philosphy of Reagon than Castro ;-) Speaking of the DH ... ================= Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:00:19 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Legalize Steriods?? kewl, lets have pot legalized too for ball players and have an allstar game of juiced players vs. dopeheads.. just trying to keep it light Sports has always been about trying to be ahead of the other. That's part of the competition. Corked Bats, Spitters, game fixing.. The sport will survive... John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 22:14:53 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: Funny Time Waster Let the world's greatest artists sing any phrase you can type. Check it out! http://www.sr.se/cgi-bin/p1/src/sing/default.asp?key Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: , , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:34:07 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids I've got just the guy! May I introduce topgolf hisself, Mr. Mike Hair. Mr. Hair, would you like to share with the group some of the ideas you put forth to Trips & I a few years ago? ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; jharrell@huntingdon.edu Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Hi gang! This has been an interesting day, to say the least. I've read all the postings you've sent me, pro and con, and thank you all for them. One thing we can all say about ourselves: we are a bunch of guys who passionately care for the game of baseball, and who are concerned with the negative impact of many things on the state of the game on the field and off it. To this particular ramble, Bob, perhaps you are right that the union is not Communist, but even the Soviets allowed the top 5% to get fat while the proletariat waited in line for bread and sausage! At any rate, the union is absolutely intransigent, which is annoying. OF course, truth be told, we do have to blame the old owners for all this (a few less George Weisses and Branch Rickeys, though they produced winners year in and year out, would probably have been good for the game in the 50's, and would have allowed the Tiptons of that day to do better in salary and benefits). Ah, if only Connie Mack and the Brotherhood in 1890 had been heeded....but now I really ramble historic! LOL laugh at me guys, just musing there. It's been interesting today, to say the least. ONe of our OBC men should run for commissioner with Landis-like power as a requisite for the job. Any takers??? Good night to all, Opening Day is less than a month away! Fr. Pat >From: "Bob Donaldson" >Reply-To: "Bob Donaldson" >To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" ,"Dr. John V Harrell" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids >Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 20:20:13 -0500 >First of all, thanks Fr Pat for starting off a fun discussion. Sitting in >hotel room, I've some time on my hands so here's my 2 cents. >Not sure how much steroids or other performance enhancing drugs are >affecting HR totals. While McGwire, and Bonds certainly have bulked up >since their early playing days. Remember that McGwire had 49 his rookie >year and to me at least, it seems that Bonds HR prowess is mainly from >greatpitch selection and tremendous bat speed. My gut feeling is that the >McGwire and Bonds don't really need the steroids. But some of the players >aotch or two below might or at least THEY think they might. >That said, something is going on. Ever watch a game from the 70's or 80's >on ESPN classic, the players seem tiny compared to today's players. So it >does seem that the players are bulking up. Better diet yes, better training >yes. But it may also be better drugs. I think one of the side affects of >the drugs (or perhaps the weight training) is the high amount injuries. >Look at the games played per year of Aaron and Mays, compare that to McGwire >and Griffey. OK that wasn't very fair, but I do believe the number of trips >to the DL has increased dramatically per player over the past 10 years? And >how many times have you seen a 2nd baseman hit a ball on their fists andit >goes 400 feet. Maybe it's the players on steroids, or maybe it's just the >balls on steroids. Having AAA pitchers in the majors (thank you expansion) >doesn't help either. >I agree with Trips on President Bush. I think there are a few more problems >in the country and world, that he should be concentrating on. I'm more >concerned about my bus driver being on drugs than my second baseman. >Athough, if Pres. Bush concentrates on BB, perhaps that would keep him (and >us) out of trouble ;-) >As for the Union, I'd have to strongly disagree w/ Fr Pat here. I do not >think they are communist. They have no concern at all for the common man >(communists probably don't either, but at least they say they do). They >wouldn't negotiate the DH in exchange for a 26th man on the roster (as was >proposed by the owners). They'd rather extend the career of Frank Thomas >(who's already got the $$$) than add 28 major leaguers. And if they really >cared about their members they would be doing everything they could to >eliminate steroids and all their negative side-affects as illustrated bythe >Ken Camanettis, Lyle Alzados and Jose Canseco's of the world. And most >importantly, do everything they could to make steroids NOT be an attractive >option to the 18 year old H/S senior. The union seems totally concerned >with the upper 5-10% of their membership, making sure Arod gets $25 M a year >instaed of $22M. I think the Union would actually lean more torwards the >philosphy of Reagon than Castro ;-) >Speaking of the DH ... Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 21:58:01 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids--Some serious things to consider Aw what the heck, I'll jump in with a quick comment that I don't remember seeing... Big , strong players. Big , strong players don't necessarily need to be juiced, but since they don't have to drive a truck or work in a hardware store in the off-season, they have plenty of time to train. They are full-time at their chosen profession. And of course you want to them to be full-time professional athletes when you belly up big bucks to go to a MLB park....otherwise you could just drivedown the street and watch the local tavern league softball games each night. Those guys have to go to work in the morning and they most likely aren'ttaking steroids to impress the wives and girlfriends who fill the two rowsof bleachers and help by keeping score. No one's gonna pay big bucks to watch But I know that if I had a chance to make a major league salary and I had to compete against thousands of other players to get there, I'd be training night and day to improve. (If I didn't have to go to work in the morning, that I wouldn't use steroids as my preferred training method, but some folks would ( afterall, they are available...sometimes even legally). I don't think any one is saying that ALL major leaguers are juicing up, butI can safely assume that everyone believes that these athletes are training somehow. My point is that they are rewarded handsomely if they can show the dedication that it takes to make a major league team, but they are challenged to retain that spot each year as well...so they need to be prepared. Josh, your comment about kids thinking that using steroids to gain advantages really nails it. If just one kid takes steroids or other performance enhancing substance and gets hurt, crippled, brain-fried or even dead as a result...I think every one would agree that it's wrong. Well, that's already happened folks, and until now nobody seems like they're doing anything about it ! I could care less if Barry Bonds, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa or even Putsy Caballero took steroids...but if they have the influence to get innocent youngsters hooked on that crap then it should be stopped. If the medical profession says it's harmful, dangerous,even deadly... then why is it being ignored? Hopefully not so we can go see some guys knock a ball over a fence. That's Despite my incoherent ramble, it's been a great topic. I gotta go to bed, early work in the AM !! OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids--Some serious things to consider First off, the president of the U.S. has very little jursdiciton over baseball. Why? The Constitution says so. The Justice department on the other hand can call on Congress to investigate. Second, steriod use in baseball does in fact affect the integrity of the game for reasons not mentioned in the previous rambles. Bulking up or beingstrong does not increase homeruns...there I said it. IT DOES NOT. Anybody who played the game knows that power comes from bat speed and contact points. Granted some of the more prolific hitters were big but some of the best (Musial, Bonds and Mantle jump to mind) were no bigger than I am but could cream the ball...Why? Bat speed. When players tend to get too big, their production goes down, look at Canseco for a recent example. Also, players whotake steriods tend to destroy their bodies faster and get injured far moreoften (why I think Junior and Big Mac took steriods and Bonds and Ruth have not). Steriod use destroys your mind and body. The idea of it destroying the integrity of the game on a statistics level is the wrong way to look atit. I am more worried about my first graders seeing Barry, Sammy, or otherheroes taking them and the idea that it is okay for kids to start. That iswhere I have a problem with steroid use in the major leauges....Performance enhancement (if safe) is fine by me. If they ever invent a healthy steroid then great! But the things like steroids and ephedra which are dangerous even in small doses should be banned. Third, the collective bargining agreement does allow for drug testing. Ithas to be monitored by the MLBPA and an independent doctor. The President called for testing across the board with no restrictions or safeguards. Also, the reason the MLBPA will not appear before Congress is because it wouldbe a new negotiation for a new contract and that can not be public. Imagine if your job had to negotiate openely in front of Congress about your health benefits. Both sides having to declare everything to the public. It hurts the integrity of the negotiation process. Fourth, I feel that there is a middle ground. I hope they find it and find it soon. Baseball does not need another scandall. -Joshua's opinion only Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 00:19:32 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Mr. Bush appears to be trying to put himself into a favorable light here for political reasons. Makes him look good doesn't it? In an election year. He should have already known the union's reaction before he spoke up. Any union would have reacted the same. The union's job is to protect the rights of their whole membership, not just the one's that do take steroids but the many that don't also. The way they do this is by establishing rules and guidlines though collective bargaining. Eventually, a satisfiying solution will be implimented despite the chest beating and saber rattling of both sides. Union members have been called Communists before by many others besides the good Father Pat, and many other things also, for many a year. They're not communists though. They are brotherhoods that look out for each other. The guidelines in place now concerning the steroid issue were agreed to by both sides, not just the player's union. Remember, the owners don't want to lose their star players any more then the union does. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Guys, I hope this is just a ramble and not a raving tirade, but I read inthe morning's sports page that President Bush has called for a meeting of the commissioners of the major sports leagues to discuss the problem of steroids/supplements use among athletes, and what can be done to eradicate theproblem. OF course, the Communist SOB's that run the MLBPA are objecting to such a meeting, saying that it falls under the domain of collective bargaining and that the President of the United States has no business butting in on this matter. Excuse me, but just who in the hell do these idiots think they are, God? I would imagine that even if President Clinton (of whom I am no fan at all) had summoned such a meeting, and gotten all the commissioners of the different sports leagues to agree to it, the MLBPA would still have objected. Further still, if Jesus Christ Himself had called for such a meeting for open honest discussion, I believe these jackasses would buck it! It's a real shame that baseball, which is still the greatest game ofthem all, has been hijacked by such intolerant demagogues and is arguing itself into social irrelevance. All right, it sounds more like a raving tirade, so I'll stop. Insights, anyone? Happy Monday to you all, Father Pat Wattigny Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:36:49 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids From: OriginalEEK@webtv.net (Earl Kilbourn) Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:29:37 -0500 (EST) To: yazobc@insightbb.com (Greg \(yaz\)) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 08:42:57 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids In a message dated 03/01/2004 8:39:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, dodgergeo@elite.net writes: > I've got just the guy! May I introduce topgolf hisself, Mr. Mike Hair. > Mr. Hair, would you like to share with the group some of the ideas you put > forth to Trips &I a few years ago? At Geordie's request, here is my rambles from 10/98 If I were commissioner.... On my recent trip to San Francisco, Trips, Geodie and I had time to solve the ills of baseball, (in fact we were in the parking lot long enough to solve most of the world's problems) most of which can be solved by one simple move...Elect Mike Hair as Commissioner of Baseball. There. I said it. My hat's in the ring. The gauntlet is thrown down. The ball is in baseball's court. You may ask "Why Mike?". My answer is OK, let's get down to issues... First, Pete Rose. He's in, end of story. The commissioner's job, and the job of baseball is to preserve the history and integrity of the game. Pete is a part of that history, good or bad. Look in any encyclopedia and you will find as much written about Atilla the Hun as Mother Teresa. Both are a part of the world's history. If we were to use the same logic as baseball, Atilla would be denied his spot in history just because he was a barbarian. Pete's reinstated to baseball, he'll have to earn the HOF on his own. Owners and the Players Association. Sorry guys, I'll have to make some decisions that you won't like. Tough beans. I'm going to be a fan's commissioner, for the good of baseball. If you don't like it, start a league in Norway. "Radical realignment". Give me a break. You want radical, I'll give you radical, as you will see below. As far as alignment goes, FORGET IT. There will be no teams moving from one league to the other. Period. Forget the East, West and Central Divisions...rename them, i.e. the Aaron Conference, The Mantle Conference, etc. OK, how's this for Radical? You want to bring excitement to the game, even at the end of the year for teams at the bottom of the standings? No problem. The team with the worst record in each league are out. Really out. Out of baseball...close the doors, sell the uniforms, you won't be playing next year. Yeah, there's a certain air of excitement at a late season game that has playoff implications, but how about a late season game that determines whether or not you will be in business next year. Sorry man, only the strong survive. I think that there are too many teams now, which dilutes the quality of play, so we will lose a team in each league for two years, and then, to facilitate expansion will lose a team and add a team thereafter. Players from the team that is "dissolved" will go into an expansion draft of sorts . Radical II...Power to the People. The fans will have the power. Not in a buy a Gillette razor and stuff the ballot box way, but in a one fan, one vote way. Each American, and Foreigners as well, will have a chance to register as a baseball fan, and vote on issues such as All star, etc. Radical III.... Is anyone worth $10,000,000? Player's salaries are out of control. Let's get them back on a pay for performance platform. Instead of an actual salary, a player would negotiate a percentage of a team's "pool". For example, a superstar may command a 25% piece of the teams pool, while a marginal player would get 1%. In any case the total percent would be 100%. At the beginning of the year, each team would pay a set amount into the salary pool. While I would prefer that each team pay the same amount, it may be on a weighted basis. (Did I mention we would have a big building with a bunch of people...accountant's, etc. To work out the details) For the sake of argument, let's say that that amount was $50,000,000 per team. After the season the salary pool would be divided according to merit.... the world series champion may get back $75,000,000 to divide among it's players, while the team that finishes last (see ya) may get only $20,000,000. Let's review... The superstar (25%) would get over $18M for the champs, $5M for the chumps. The marginal player would get from $750K to $200K . It's still a good chunk of change, but it may create some incentive to win. Radical, Fore. (Sorry, it's the old golf guy in me) ...the schedule. Inter league play is a good thing...in small doses. Keep it like it is. The radical change will come in the schedule like this.... Each team will play a 156 game schedule , and conclude with a two 3 game home and home series to be decided by the commissioner (hey, that's me!!). For the most part, first place teams will play second place teams...it may be seen as a hockey like extension of the playoffs. But anyone who witnessed the Dodgers/Giants series in the later part of the year would understand. Also keep in mind that the two losingest (is that a word?) would be engaged in a "Texas Death Match" struggle where the loser is sent away. You want excitement in a Cubs/Phillies series at the end of the year???...elect me commissioner. Radical V. The Hall of Fame. OK, I know I'll get some grief on this, but here goes. The Hall should be for the best players in the game, not for those who have run up some good stats. Case in point, Don Sutton. Good pitcher, 300 wins, but not HOF material. Hey, I'm a Dodger fan, but Don does not belong in the Hall. Maybe we could create a "Foyer of Fame" just outside the Hall for the near great players, but, please, let's keep the Hall sacred. So guys, that's it for now, I'm sure that there will be more to follow, but it's getting late, and the wine bottle is empty, so I'll leave it at that. Write your favorite team, write to baseball, write to your congressman, and mention my name. I'd appreciate it. More If I were commissioner Some good questions from the group... I've heard from Phillies, Cubs and A's fans who are concerned that their team will get the boot. Luckily the plan is not retroactive, so every team would have a chance. If, in fact, the worst record in the league were to get the boot, I would imagine that teams would find a way to win, and there would be less ho hum games at the end of the year. Perhaps we could ammend the plan, so that a team would get the boot only if they lost more than 95 games a year. Rick asks me to address the small market/large market situation, as it realates to a team "buying a pennant". My plan would help the small market teams, and the hard working teams because at the beginning of each season, each team would divy up a "payroll", and send it to my office for safe keeping. That amount would be the same for each team (let's say $50M each). If there were true parity and every team finished with a 81-81 record, they would each get $50M back to pay out in salaries. Realistically, that wouldn't happen, so the team that wins the world series may get back $75M (or $100M) a team that lost 100 games may only get back $15M to divide among it's players. Win more, get paid more. Rick also shows concern about what he calls prime time airing of big market teams...i.e. the Yankee games being played in the evening while the Giant games were during the day. I think day (playoff/series) games are a part of history. I remember the 1961 series, and bringing a transistor radio to school to listen to the game. I say the day games stay, and we'll move the World Series to the day as well. Oh yeah, another point...Artificial turf. Get rid of it. Natural grass only. Various golf organizations with much smaller resources than MLB fund many land grant universities for reseach on better grasses for golf. We need to fund research to find a grass that can be grown indoors. Believe me, it can happen and only needs funds to happen. ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 06:36:06 -0800 (PST) To: VCT@YahooGroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 41 Playball style The Play Ball style would be pretty cool--then people could cut them in half to add to a certain unnamed OBCer's collection. A Rick / Kevin card would work for that format and probably be the most desired. And you could short-print it to drive up the value. :) An alternate salute could would be an insignia as part of the card design, or something guys would choose to wear in their picture (armband, logo, pin, etc.). --- keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > JSG emailed me about the 2 people per card 1941 Play Ball look. I had > suggested 2 people per card years ago when the topic came up along with > other options. More recently I had suggested contacting Roberta about > us doing a card in memory of Rick Redpath or other members that have > passed on. Anyway, there's no reason any 2 members couldn't do it now > if they want, if the $25 mark was their limit. In that case 100 cards > would go to each guy ($50/200 cards). Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:29:59 -0600 To: Matthew From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 41 Playball style I think you guys are referring to the 1941 Double Play card, aren't you. The 1941 Play Ball card has only one player photo. Matthew wrote: > The Play Ball style would be pretty cool--then people could cut them in half to add to a certain > unnamed OBCer's collection. A Rick / Kevin card would work for that format and probably be the > most desired. And you could short-print it to drive up the value. :) An alternate salute could > would be an insignia as part of the card design, or something guys would choose to wear in their > picture (armband, logo, pin, etc.). > Spike > --- keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > > JSG emailed me about the 2 people per card 1941 Play Ball look. I had > > suggested 2 people per card years ago when the topic came up along with > > other options. More recently I had suggested contacting Roberta about > > us doing a card in memory of Rick Redpath or other members that have > > passed on. Anyway, there's no reason any 2 members couldn't do it now > > if they want, if the $25 mark was their limit. In that case 100 cards > > would go to each guy ($50/200 cards). > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:54:50 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: 41 Double Play Yes, because we're so smart! Double Play is, indeed, the one. I guess the Play Ball version would say "Spike" Glidden, "Bama," or something similar. --- "Dr. John V Harrell" wrote: > I think you guys are referring to the 1941 Double Play card, aren't you. > The 1941 Play Ball card has only one player photo. > Bama > Matthew wrote: > > > > The Play Ball style would be pretty cool--then people could cut them in half to add to a > certain > > unnamed OBCer's collection. A Rick / Kevin card would work for that format and probably be the > > most desired. And you could short-print it to drive up the value. :) An alternate salute could > > would be an insignia as part of the card design, or something guys would choose to wear in > their > > picture (armband, logo, pin, etc.). Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:32:28 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Dilemna Here's an email I recieved earlier. I can't accomodate a trade like this, but I was wondering if anybody here would like a "promo" card from the 1939 Play Ball set autographed by Lloyd Waner. If interested, read the message below: Wanted to let you know that I enjoyed your booklet on baseball card history. It was very informative and I would recommend it to someone new to the hobby or to an already established collector's library. Also enjoy your newsletters. What a wonderful thing for the hobby it is. Several weeks ago I wrote concerning a 1939 Play Ball of Lloyd Waner that I obtained which was autographed. The card was a "promo" card -- hope you remember. Well, curiosity got the best of me and I did something I don't do -- I paid PSA to verify the autograph. It came back as an authentic signature. Now, I don't collect the Play Ball's nor am I interested in autograph's. I would be happy to trade (not sale) what may be a very unique card (promo and autographed by a HOF'er) with a "true" collector for cards I need from the 1951 Bowman and 1956 Topps sets. Could you advise me on how to do this? I would like to trade with a real "collector" of Play Balls or Waner's so that I know someone who loves this hobby is getting what he or she wants without money out of their pocket. With the advanced, pre-war and oddball collectors here, I was hoping that somebody here could help Timm out. I've dealt with him before and have found him to be a stand-up guy. Let me know. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:36:53 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: RIP Marge Schott Like her or hate her, Marge Schott was one of baseball's long line of colorful owners. The news just came in...she passed away today at the age of 75. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=531&ncid=531&e=3&u=/ap/20040302/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_obit_schott Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:15:25 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 1960 Topps/ 1941 Double Play/ Brett D. / 29-13/ www.mintcards.cc Click the link below to view the 1960 Topps that Alex added his own pic to. You can also see the "4 eyes" 1970 Topps Ollie Brown variation I posted last week :-) JSG had listed 1941 Double Play in his email to me but I messed up & typed 41 Play Ball :-( Brett D. joins in the PTC pool making it OBC=29 VCT=13. If Sal D. & Ken M., or anyone for that matter, will send me JPEGS of their own card, I can post them too. ============================= http://community.webtv.net/KeithSummers/Baseballrelatedpics If it doesn't work try using all lower case. Has anyone checked www.mintcards.cc yet? They supposedly have several templates to use but I am unable to access it. I may go to a neighbor's house in a few minutes to view the PDF files. ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:27:22 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: www.community.webtv.net/KeithSummers/BaseballRelatedPics No matter how I change the TITLE on my page, webtv still changes the URL to: http://www.community.webtv.net/KeithSummers/BaseballRelatedPics ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:41:57 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 3rd try! If this doesn't work, I give up! Geeeezzz! http://community.webtv.net/KeithSummers/BaseballRelatedPics And so I don't have to post yet another message, I'd like to send THANKS to Steve Rittenberg for a SSPC of Norm Cash. At first glance I thought it was going to be an oddball Champ Summers Tigers card. Anyway, the best is yet...a Venzuelan 1968 Jim Nash! This is the only Venzuelan version I have of any card but I have been meaning to add them to the guys I collect (Ollie Brown/Champ Summers). So THANKS Steve! :-) ================= Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:31:37 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLBPA and steroids Just a short comment - I do think it's appropriate, and even important, for the president (of either party) to use the "bully pulpit" against drug use. Sports should be a particular target because kids use these athletes as roll models. The owners and the players need to recognize their place in american culture and be firm on getting drugs out of sports. - Doug ================= To: Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:42:56 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: help I need help can anyone tell me how to get my mail to the inbox automatically without hitting send and rec. thanks, kit okamuro ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:39:04 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Subject: Attention Teachers! Have a Question Please Hello gang, Sorry to bother everyone with this but I need a little assistance from the educators in our midst. My 15 year old son has been invited to participate in the National Student Leaders Conference this summer and I don't know much about this group. Have visited their website and they throw around lots of big names, but would like to know if any of you can speak to their reputation. http://www.nslcleaders.org I would certainly appreciate any information. Thanks much, ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 10:35:28 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:23:34 -0800 (PST) From: Phyllis Zold Subject: Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. To: originaleek@webtv.net Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:22:57 -0600 To: pzold@yahoo.com Subject: Warning about your e-mail account. From: management@yahoo.com Dear user of e-mail server "Yahoo.com", Some of our clients complained about the spam (negative e-mail content) outgoing from your e-mail account. Probably, you have been infected by a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your computer safe, follow the instructions. Further details can be obtained from attached file. In order to read the attach you have to use the following password: 74535. The Yahoo.com team http://www.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:48:04 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. Don't open it, this is waaaaaaay too generic to be legit. In the case of your sig line, any resulting virus WOULD be keeping what you, in turn, give away. --- Originaleek@webtv.net wrote: > My wife received the attached from Yahoo it looks legit but, if anyone > out there in OBCland has suggestions about opening the attachment, we > would appreciate it. You can respond directly to her at the Cc: address. > Thanks > We keep what we give away! > EEK Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:02:28 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: help can anyone tell me how to put a larger scan to ebay or as a attachment? thanks kit okamuro ================= To: , Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:06:02 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. I got the same message from comcast.net. NEVER EVER open an attachment of this kind. I would never open an attachment unless it was from someone I know AND I expected it. Never click on a link that is in an email and enter personal (credit card, username, password). If you get an email from ebay, paypal etc. do NOT click on any url in the email. Rather login to your account as you normally would. If something is wrong, you will find out there. Make sure you are running an anti-virus program and that you keep your virus definition file up to date. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. > My wife received the attached from Yahoo it looks legit but, if anyone > out there in OBCland has suggestions about opening the attachment, we > would appreciate it. You can respond directly to her at the Cc: address. > Thanks > We keep what we give away! > EEK > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:31:45 -0800 (PST) To: Originaleek@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. I've been getting the same one. I sent it to Yahoo and they quickly sent back an email telling me it's not from them. Delete it. By the way...Yahoo! uses its own servers to send out mail (one of the things I like about the service), and not through your own PC. It struck me as odd immediately that Yahoo would send a message asking to use a "free virus software" to clean my computer. I'm guessing the free virus software is just that -- a Take care, --- Originaleek@webtv.net wrote: > My wife received the attached from Yahoo it looks > legit but, if anyone > out there in OBCland has suggestions about opening > the attachment, we > would appreciate it. You can respond directly to her > at the Cc: address. > Thanks > We keep what we give away! > EEK > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:23:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Phyllis Zold > Subject: Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. > To: originaleek@webtv.net > Note: forwarded message attached. > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster. > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 message/rfc822 > Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:22:57 -0600 > To: pzold@yahoo.com > Subject: Warning about your e-mail account. > From: management@yahoo.com > Dear user of e-mail server "Yahoo.com", > Some of our clients complained about the spam > (negative e-mail content) > outgoing from your e-mail account. Probably, you > have been infected by > a proxy-relay trojan server. In order to keep your > computer safe, > follow the instructions. > Further details can be obtained from attached > file. > In order to read the attach you have to use the > following password: 74535. > Sincerely, > The Yahoo.com team > http://www.yahoo.com > ATTACHMENT part 2.2.2 application/octet-stream I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 12:45:24 -0600 To: _ramblings From: Rick & Deb Subject: the GOOD news is... OBC Friends...wait...I never even told you guys the BAD news yet. 2003 was a pretty lousey year at our house. On January 3rd, I was released without cause from my position as Morning Air Personality at KZSN in Wichita. I was there for over 16 years...the original Program Director and architect of a radio station that spent the decade of the 90s at the top of the heap. They wanted to "shake things up in the market". The reality is that I was squeezed out by diabolical men so a guy with less talent and a browner nose could keep a job. Ever since ownership deregulation in 1996, the radio business has been savagely ravaged by corporate hoo-ha. It's a sad state of affairs, but radio is the only job I know how to do. Three days later on January 6th, my father died after a long bout with several illnesses. Emotionally, the timing was not good. However, the circumstances prompted Deb and me to make a big decision. We will do what we've been wanting to do for years...move to Pennsylvania. The plan called for me to get a job there and Deb would work a transfer with her employer, Boeing. We've been trying to get that done for more than a year. I have such a loving and supportive wife. Being with her makes me "the luckiest boy in the whole USA". She could very well say, "Forget that radio crap, go get a job!" But, she wants me to be happy and work in my chosen profession. There is nothing for me here. So I've been hammering at that narrow target area of Philly and the surrounding markets. I've come close a few times. I've also seen openings pass by in lots of other places like Minnesota, North Carolina, Iowa, Maine, and more. Those places may be nice, but it's not where we want to go. The reason I haven't "rambled" about this before is because I felt my plight was less significant than the other, more important issues our group has dealt with over the past year. Besides, although needlessly, it's a little embarressing. The good news is...I got a Morning gig in MY HOME TOWN of Bethlehem! The sad part is that Deb hasn't secured a position at Boeing Philadelphia yet. So she will remain here in Rose Hill to deal with the kids, the house, the stuff, AND keep trying to get a transfer. (..I told you I was lucky) We're going to take things as they come for the time being, but we won't be able to be apart for too long. So Boeing better get a move on, or Deb has vowed to pack in her 20+ years and find another job in the area. (..she wants a seat at Citizens Bank Park as much as I do) So, The Kansas Phillies Phoundation (KPPh) has entered into a state of limbo. My collection is packed up and the bulk of it will go with me. Next week I'll hook a U-Haul trailer onto the Suburban and head off to The Land of Callison. I'll be living with my Mom. If I'm going to be there for any length of time, I will post an official address change. But if you've taken the time to read this far, here ya go: 1604 Lincoln Bethlehem, PA 18017 Please wish us luck, and any spare prayers would be greatly appreciated! Thanx...Rick Svetecz..The Biggest Phillies Fan on the interstate (Ph04) ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:14:28 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Drat! Well, the best laid plans of mice and men.... I was hoping to hit Ft. Washington on Saturday but have now been told I have to attend a mandatory Little League coaches meeting at 10 AM. That's gonna kill it for me this time around. ah well........I will return to the expo center someday! ================= Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:15:58 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: 41 Double Play In response to this: Yes, because we're so smart! Double Play is, indeed, the one. I guess the Play Ball version would say "Spike" Glidden, "Bama," or something similar. I can only offer that most 41 Double Play cards owned by OBC'ers are probably singles anyway................ ================= Date: 4 Mar 2004 05:07:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: help at Ft. Washington I have 3 sets that I'd appreciate some help on at the Ft. Washington show. 1941 Goudey - need 4 - # 3 Chiozza, #23 Young, # 27 Crouch & #32 Coffman. 1933 Delong - need 1 - KiKi Cuyler 1933 Tatoo Orbit (R305)-the colorized set. need 11 - Dean, Grove, Haines, Harder, Hartnett, Hornsby, Jurges, Levey, Lombardi, Mack and Malone. I've been looking for these cards, especially the tatoo orbits, for years. Any condition is acceptable. If you run across any of these, and they are reasonable I'll be happy to reimburse and attack your want list. ================= Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:05:29 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1/2 of a Bench rookie on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791800067&category=23837 Starts at 1 penny. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 11:23:37 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Last chance for NCAA Pool. For those of you the might have missed the original email or forgot to respond you now have another chance. I still have 3 spots left for the NCAA baseketball tourney pool. Here are the 13 so far: Bob Reed John Scott Gray Bob Donaldson Gary Mandell Mark Talbot Neal Thomas Peter Mead John Leroux Kit Okamuro Howard Morgan (but only if you add more sets to your lists :-) Earl Kilbourne Mike Rich Andy Cook Let me know if you're interested. Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage – 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/ ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:47:25 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1/2 of a Bench rookie on eBay Looks almost like the one in my binder--except mine is cleaner cut and I have both halves. LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 9:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1/2 of a Bench rookie on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791800067&category=23837 > Starts at 1 penny. > -- > Spike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 22:10:20 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBC lots on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791778994&category=642 Old Yankees, includes 56T team card and some Bowman high numbers. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2791980907 21 1933 Goudeys, opens at $10. Same seller has a couple of similar lots. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: 5 Mar 2004 06:16:33 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Even if you previously have not emailed me, if NOW you think you'll PROBABLY participate in the OBC personal trading card (PTC) set for 2004 (based on fees below), please vote for your fav 2 designs! It'll cost you about $37 for 50 cards (.74 each), $43 for 100 (.43 each) or $53 for 200 (only .265 each)! I prefer you vote online but if not send an email to < KeithSummers@webtv.net >. Poll ends 3-11-04. o R305 o 33 Goudey o 41 Double Play o 51 Topps o 53 Bowman o 53 Topps o 55 Topps o 56 Topps o 60 Topps o 63 Topps o 65 Topps o 66 Topps o 69 Topps o 70 Topps o 72 Topps o 74 Topps o 77 Topps o 78 Topps o 79 Topps o I prefer a totally custom design! To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11678671 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:08:04 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. If your ISP wanted to give you instructions on how to fix a problem, they would not include them in a zip file. I got a similar message and deleted it. I would advise the ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Warning about your e-mail account. > My wife received the attached from Yahoo it looks legit but, if anyone > out there in OBCland has suggestions about opening the attachment, we > would appreciate it. You can respond directly to her at the Cc: address. > Thanks > We keep what we give away! > EEK > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2004 20:30:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Post variation question I just discovered that I have 2 different 62 Post #136 Orlando Cepeda cards. In one, his picture has a white background, and in the other, the background is blue. My 2002 Lemke guide doesn't list a variation on this card. Is it possible that this is an unlisted variation? If it is catalogued elsewhere, can anyone tell me if one version is scarcer than the other? Please let me know - thanks! ================= Date: 6 Mar 2004 22:10:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Bats!! For those who requested a bat from me, they went out today but by parcel post so it'll be a couple of weeks (except Paul, maybe a month). ================= Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 21:20:55 EST To: james_moleta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Post variation question There are similar color variations for almost all 1962 Post cards because the same card was often printed on multiple cereal brands and sizes, and they generally ended up with color differences. The master set of 1962 Post including all the color variations is several hundred cards larger than the 200 card basic set. I have pictures of more color variations including Clemente in the variations list area on www.typecard.com ================= Date: 8 Mar 2004 03:18:59 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Even if you previously have not emailed me, if NOW you think you'll PROBABLY participate in the OBC personal trading card (PTC) set for 2004 (based on fees below), please vote for your fav 2 designs! It'll cost you about $37 for 50 cards (.74 each), $43 for 100 (.43 each) or $53 for 200 (only .265 each)! I prefer you vote online but if not send an email to < KeithSummers@webtv.net >. Poll ends 3-11-04. CHOICES AND RESULTS - R305, 1 votes, 4.17% - 33 Goudey, 1 votes, 4.17% - 41 Double Play, 3 votes, 12.50% - 51 Topps, 2 votes, 8.33% - 53 Bowman, 1 votes, 4.17% - 53 Topps, 2 votes, 8.33% - 55 Topps, 1 votes, 4.17% - 56 Topps, 3 votes, 12.50% - 60 Topps, 2 votes, 8.33% - 63 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 65 Topps, 4 votes, 16.67% - 66 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 69 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 70 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 72 Topps, 2 votes, 8.33% - 74 Topps, 2 votes, 8.33% - 77 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 78 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 79 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - I prefer a totally custom design!, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - R305 - jharrell@huntingdon.edu - 33 Goudey - jharrell@huntingdon.edu - 41 Double Play - obc_spike@yahoo.com - meyergray@msn.com - okeedokee@pipeline.com - 51 Topps - meyergray@msn.com - trufan999@aol.com - 53 Bowman - mikesportsfan@aol.com - 53 Topps - kgoetsch@gdinet.com - obc_spike@yahoo.com - 55 Topps - dodgergeo@elite.net - 56 Topps - MatShirley@aol.com - debrick@onemain.com - biglittledogs@msn.com - 60 Topps - MatShirley@aol.com - dodgergeo@elite.net - 63 Topps - 65 Topps - kgoetsch@gdinet.com - okeedokee@pipeline.com - debrick@onemain.com - mheilenman@comcast.net - 66 Topps - 69 Topps - 70 Topps - 72 Topps - keithsummers@webtv.net - mheilenman@comcast.net - 74 Topps - keithsummers@webtv.net - trufan999@aol.com - 77 Topps - 78 Topps - 79 Topps - I prefer a totally custom design! For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 8 Mar 2004 03:39:10 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: If you're willing to pay $37 for 50 cards of yourself (or $43/100 $48/150 or $54/200) vote for your fav design for us to mock. If you need a lower price, vote for #10 or #11. Email votes are OK. The printer wants 15 people for the order but we might get by with 14. You'll have at least till April 28th to pay so that's plenty of time to run an auction to get your funds :-) o 41 Double Plays o 51 Topps o 53 Topps o 55 Bowman TV (but 2.5"x3.5" size) o 56 Topps o 60 Topps o 65 Topps o 72 Topps o 74 Topps o I'm interested ONLY if I can share a card with a member, to lower the price (25/$19 or 50/$22 or 75/$25 or 100/$28). o I'm interested ONLY if the price is lowered by some combination of using thinner than 100 LB stock, B&W pics, smaller cards or blank backs. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11682450 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 23:55:37 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings > 53 Topps for ray ================= Date: 8 Mar 2004 05:19:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I vote for 55 Bowman TV. On 8 Mar 2004 03:39:10 -0000, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com wrote : > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > OBC-Ramblings group: > If you're willing to pay $37 for 50 cards of yourself (or $43/100 $48/150 or $54/200) vote for your fav design for us to mock. If you need a lower price, vote for #10 or #11. Email votes are OK. The printer wants 15 people for the order but we might get by with 14. You'll have at least till April 28th to pay so that's plenty of time to run an auction to get your funds :-) > o 41 Double Plays > o 51 Topps > o 53 Topps > o 55 Bowman TV (but 2.5"x3.5" size) > o 56 Topps > o 60 Topps > o 65 Topps > o 72 Topps > o 74 Topps > o I'm interested ONLY if I can share a card with a member, to lower the price (25/$19 or 50/$22 or 75/$25 or 100/$28). > o I'm interested ONLY if the price is lowered by some combination of using thinner than 100 LB stock, B&W pics, smaller cards or blank backs. > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11682450 > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > Thanks! > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 01:48:38 -0500 (EST) To: obcjohn@knology.net From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 55 Bowmans! I voted for that design too John! I dropped all the years from the poll that had less than 2 votes & added the 55 TVs to the options. And now the 55 Bowman TVs have 2 of the first 4 votes :-) Of course if we go with them, ours will be 2.5" x 3.5" as opposed to the larger REAL 55 My second choice would be the 74s as I have an idea for that design also. To clarify, email votes are welcome but I prefer you guys vote at the site. But anyone who wants in this set & does not know how to vote at the site, you can email Ramblings or myself < KeithSummers@webtv.net >. Thanks :-) 55 Bowmans 2 53 Topps 1 51 Topps 1 41 DPs 0 56 Topps 0 60 Topps 0 65 Topps 0 72 Topps 0 74 Topps 0 We need at least 10 more people for this to be a go! ================= Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:29:07 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PTC/John Jackson #18/ #5 Spike/ #11 Keith Good news guys! We have 16 people so the 2004 OBC PTC set is a go! What design to mock? Well here is the current standings counting email & poll votes: #1=55 Bowman 5 #2=65 Topps 4 #3=51 Topps 2 #3=53 Topps 2 #3=41 DPs 2 #6=56 Topps 1 #7=60 Topps 0 #7=72 Topps 0 #7=74 Topps 0 9 designs 16 card set Anyone have an extra 1996 OBC PTC of #18 John Jackson :-) He's the only one of the 20 card set I don't have :-( I acquired them along with a 1997 Dan St. Clair in the Redpath auction. Ken says the Jackson was probably lost when it was sent out for an autograph (all others were signed). I also have PTCs of the original Guru Rookie (92 Makita), Pete Brito, Grant & Pico! So of ALL the current or ex OBCers with PTCs, I have them all except this 96 (or was it 97?) OBC John Jackson #18. Anyone who mails me (or has already mailed me) their PTC will get one of mine. I assume that when we do these 2004 cards, that everyone will get a card of all the others (1 set) as they are mailed out. I guess those that will be participating will need to vote on that as soon as the final count is in (16 now). We have several things to vote on at that point actually. Also we need to see if we can agree on card #s. I have #5 reserved for Spike & I want #11 (my DOB), unless anyone objects to these 2 moves. I assume we will go with 1-18 or whatever the final count is. Picking up at 21 (where Terry Woods set left off) is an option but I say we start at 1 since it is a different year. If you have 2 fav #s under 18, email me & I'll see if I can give everyone their 1st or 2nd choice. You can always email the person that picks your fav # & ask them to switch or even bribe them like players have done for their uniform :-) Sorry to bore all you folks that are not interested but I "have" put PTC at the start of all the messages. Plus once we get the members narrowed down, I'll email just those that are in the set :-) ================= Date: 9 Mar 2004 01:56:31 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: What card # do you want in the 2004 OBC PTC set? If someone has your # already, email them. If you really have no # preference, wait till Wednesday to vote. o 1 o 2 o 3 o 4 o 5 o 6 o 7 o 8 o 9 o 10 o 11 o 12 o 13 o 14 o 15 o 16 o 17 o 18 o 19 o 20 o 21 o 22 o 23 o 24 o 25 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11683765 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 20:20:11 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:48:31 EST To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: His royal geekness! (and I need some PC Anywhere help) And on to the computer problems.... My main computer took a virus hit so I'm in the process of backing up everything and moving it. In the meantime, my dad's comp was making me nuts, so I redid one of my old ones and bought a new one to replace in my network (don't ask why I need three computers, I haven't figured it out yet LOL). Well, between blowing out two old ones and trying to save stuff, I am way behind. The good news is that the mortgage business is good and I may be able to take a shot at Vegas this year. Cleveland is also in my sites, but combine that with having broken pipes this winter and wanting to get a new car/suv, I'm not sure what the hell I'm doing! Hopefully I will be up and running right in a short time. As far as PC anywhere, does anyone have experience with this? My main issue is that one computer will be on cable modem and the other will be on dial up. Not sure how to cross this line yet. Thanks in advance! ================= Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 23:57:50 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: OBC-2004-PTC group created Date: 9 Mar 2004 04:32:03 -0000 From: Yahoo!Groups Notification To: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Yahoo! Group OBC-2004-PTC created ================= Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 05:05:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: need hoops team checklist help I need a checklist for New Orleans Bucs (who moved to Memphis to become the pros/tams/sounds). 68-70 were the years, I think.. some cool aba history at a website I found tonight called: thanks for any help on exanding my memphis aba collection.. ================= Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:27:07 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: mixed lots on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792206373&category=44821 Very plain description, but contains a bunch of 64 Giants, some autographed items, and what look to be 71 Supers. Downside is the $6 postage, but worth a look anyway. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792217010&category=44821 Another plainly worded lot, but it's actually the Garvey and Munson RCs for $1 opener. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792250075&category=642 This guy talks my language. There's damage on the front, so show 'em the back! It's a 59 Aaron AS for small money. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792418237&category=44821 50+ 1967s, including a dozen high numbers. Grr, hate 1967 high numbers. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31722&item=2792682644 1933 Goudey Mel Ott for $10 opening. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:03:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "detroitsquirrel" Subject: 1957 Topps #328 Brooks Robinson Does anyone have a 1957 Topps #328 Brooks Robinson? I don't have much to trade for it but I am willing to barder for one! Tell me what you'd like in exchange. I hope someone can help, this is one of my 'dream cards'. Thanks guys 'The NEW guy" --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- ================= Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 09:26:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "detroitsquirrel" Subject: FANTASY BASEBALL TEAMS NEEDED I have started a league and I need some spots filled. Its FREE and its right here on YAHOO. Leagues name is -- Detroit Baseball League (ID# 208737) and password is -- detroit So come on over and have some fun!!!! --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- ================= Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:00:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Another busy member I would like to join the chorus of members whose lives seem to have careened out of control. Having started the new job, which the computer software we are using has not been properly installed and has tons of bugs making production incredibly slow combined with not having hired another authorized person and trying to wrap up the old business has left me with little time lately. I am not going to go inactive, at least not yet, but expect to be less active at least until around April 15. I will try and post thanks and even reciprocate for any RAOK but not much else over that time frame. If I owe you or have promised anyone anything they have not received yet, please remind me, so I can square things. I do have a weekend trip to Cleveland area mar 26-28 and may be able to hook up with anyone in the area (Sunday afternoon looks best). Please LMK if you are close to that area and may be available to hook Thanks for understanding. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:37:18 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings I would like #4 to match my screen name. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 06:55:23 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: My trip to Jersey/Ft. Washington report (LONG)! I am just now getting back and getting unpacked from my trip. I went up to New Jersey this weekend for a bar mitzvah, so I sent out an email asking if anybody along I-95 was up for a short visit. The only response I got was from Steve Rittenberg and he said that I could just stop over for the night. So, Ellen, myself and our 5-year old daughter Melissa stopped over on Thursday evening after taking a short visit to see the Capitol Building and the White House. Melissa likes to watch a DVD of the old "Schoolhouse Rock" cartoons (remember those?) and the first thing she wanted to see when we stopped by the Capitol was the steps. "Where's Bill?" She fully expected to see Bill on the front steps just like he was in that old cartoon! We met Steve at his place and went to a sandwich shop for dinner. We talked about our hobby interests while Melissa read an Arthur book out loud and kept interrupting us with questions about how to say the bigger words (she's in kindergarten and is coming along well on her reading skills). Steve and I talked about OBC, the chat sessions, meeting other OBC members and trading. Then, we discussed Yankees vs. Red Sox stuff and it wasn't as antagonistic as it might sound. Back at Steve's place, I got to spend far too little time searching his collection. I think I'll need a couple of days to see it all, but even Ellen was impressed at the size and scope of his collection. Eventually, Steve handed me his dupes boxes and pulled up my wantlist. I got to search through and find some really significant damage -- Aaron, Bench, Rose, Ryan, etc. -- to the 1970s lists. Those of you who have had young children while following the hobby will understand how much of a distraction they can be while you're searching through stacks of cards. While trying to read card numbers, you're still keeping an eye on them to seee that they're not drawing on the walls or throwing toys or picking up Steve's cat by the tail...it gets to be something of a chore. Melissa is a normal 5-year old, and by "normal" I mean she is curious, active and dangerous at the same time. As an added benefit, she's incredibly adorable, so people are likely to cut her a lot of slack even if she accidentally sets the drapes ablaze. As her father, I have this uncontrollable instinct to tell her to stop whatever it is she's doing. I love her, but sometimes I wonder if my hair will still be on my head before it turns You might be wondering why I interrupted the rambling to talk about my daughter, right? I'm mentioning her because she's about to figure heavily into the rest of this story. Anyway, Melissa made herself a buddy for life with Steve. While thumbing through Steve's dupes, I began to notice that Melissa had grown quiet. I looked around and found her on the floor, drawing. Steve was laying on the floor right across from her and drawing, too! Steve took the time to play with her, and she enjoyed it. For the rest of the night, Melissa was not a problem. I ended up hitting every Topps set from 1968-'80 (except for the '75s which Steve refuses to part with). By the time we had gone back to the '68 Topps set, Melissa and Ellen had turned in for the night, and it was nearing midnight. So, Steve put his boxes away and we sat around talking about OBC, baseball and the hobby. He had a few books for me and a little memento of my HOM guy Bill Lee. In fact, Steve was willing to give me a lot more than what I actually took...so the rumors other OBCers told me about Steve were authenticated. He has a very generous spirit and goes far in representing OBC to the hobby. I can say that I am better for knowing him, and it was a pleasure to meet him in person. I appreciate the cards, books and the use of his guest room for an Over dinner that evening, Steve had mentioned that the Ft. Washington show was being held the same weekend, and it was only a half hour off the Jersey Turnpike. I haven't been to a big show like that since '92, so Ellen and I began to work out an idea to get me there on Friday evening...we'd stop at our hotel, Ellen and Melissa would stay with the family and I'd jump back in the car and drive the 90 minutes back to see the show. When we showed up at the hotel, it turned out that there was a big dinner for the family that would have made me look bad if I skipped out on. Nobody told us ahead of time about the dinner, so we decided that I shouldn't head back to PA. Ellen noticed that I was a little dejected about the turn of events, so she said that we could leave a little early on Sunday, drive to PA, see the show for a few hours and then start heading home. The hotel had internet service (for a fee), so I sent out a message to the other OBCers to let them know I would be coming. Those of you who read the message and sent back emails after I had signed off, I'm sorry I never got back to you. Sunday came and we made an early exit from the brunch at the hotel. We made our way back to the Turnpike and into Pennsylvania, and although I left the info on the show in the trunk -- like the putz I sometimes am -- it was very easy to find. I walked into the show and immediately looked for an OBC hat, but found none. While meandering through the tables, I found a few dealers who had some beat-up vintage stuff and asked if they knew any of the OBC guys. "You mean the guys with the hats!" "Yes, sir...I'm an OBCer too." "Where's your hat?" I tried to explain that as a member of the rather small Florida delegation of OBC, I was unfamiliar with the customs used by OBCers in other parts of the country; however, since my appearance there was a surprise, I had simply left my hat sitting in my closet in Jacksonville (note to self: when taking a trip, remember to bring the hat along...). Fortunately, I had a few copies of my booklet to distribute to other OBCers, and the OBC logo inside that book was a validation. While searching through the tables, I saw Mr. Mint schmoozing with a couple of guys in suits. I told Ellen about the guy...he's been a big-time buyer in the hobby for 20 years, and a lot of long-time hobbyists have some interesting stories about him. Ellen said, "why don't you go and talk to him about your website and newsletter?" "Because the guys who've told me about him say he's a dick." I really don't know if it's true or not, but I have heard the guy's story enough. I really don't know if he would be a good fit with the type of material I write about anyway. So I went on. A little while later, I saw Bob Lemke at the SCD table. I grew up reading the old "Baseball Cards Monthly" magazine, and his name was right there at the top of the editorial staff in those magazines. As a kid, I read some of the articles in those magazines and imagined that someday I would have my own name underneath an article, so I was honored to let him know late last year about how some of my fellow OBCers determined a variation in the T205 set. I recognized him right away, and patiently waited until he finished talking to the other gentleman. I introduced myself and we talked for a few minutes. After the T205 article was finished, I sent him a copy of my booklet but never heard back from him about it. Bob told me that he found the booklet easy to read and a good basic history of the hobby, and he passed it along to somebody in Krause's publishing department. That was neat to know, and a big boost to my already-inflated ego. I told him about an article I was writing about Warren Bowman (the guy who founded Gum Inc. and the Bowman Gum Co.) based on some discussions I had with his daughter, and he asked me to send it in when I finished it. I finally got around to searching tables again, and asked one of the sellers about OBC, and he said the same thing the others did..."Where's your hat?" Turned out this seller was a friend of Steve's, and he told me that Steve was still hanging around, but all the other OBC guys he knew were long gone. A few minutes later, while I was searching his boxes, I heard him say, "hey Steve, this guy says he's a friend of yours." I turned to my left and finally saw my first OBC hat of the day. I had figured I'd look crazy trying to explain who I was, but since I'd already met Steve, I didn't have to. Steve told me that I had missed Morganti and Grizzly (I think that's the Howard he was talking about), and that Ken had asked Steve if I had stopped by yet. Steve -- not having read my OBC post about the show -- told Ken that I was supposed to stop in on Friday and should have been halfway to Florida by then. So, nobody stayed around. The missed communication wasn't anybody's fault, but I'll take responsibility since I wasn't certain when I wrote the post exactly when I'd arrive. No problem, though...Steve went around and showed me a few OBC-friendly sellers. Bill Henderson was one, and he and two other OBC-friendly sellers ended up with a copy of my booklet. I managed to hit my lists heavily, including two '53 Bowman Steelers, 20 additions to the ol' "Dog Pound" set ('58 Topps), a bunch of early '70s Topps and some Play Balls. Steve managed to find the final card I needed to put the '79 Topps set to bed once and for all. That set was the first one I ever started, so finding the last card made it extra special...so thanks again for the set-killer, Steve! While I was making the rounds and talking with dealers, Ellen took my wantlists and scoured through some 10-cent boxes. She came up with a bunch of late-60s and early 70s cards including a bunch of semi-hi #s from '72. Not bad for a woman who once thought I was crazy for following a kids' hobby. I think Ellen's coming around nicely. Now I get to come back to Melissa. If you've ever taken a 5-year old to a card show, it can be stressful. When she sees a toy, you realize that "toy" is a bobblehead doll or a Hartland statue, and when she wants to grab it, you just see the price it will cost you if she breaks it. Upon entering the show, all three of us were given a UV card, and all three of the cards went to Melissa. She loved her shiny little cards, but she looked like she'll be a perfect fit in this group when she's old enough. One dealer let her take some masking tape to keep her occupied while I searched for cards, and she used the tape to wrap all three of those UV cards up into one neat little package. I was so proud of her. Once Steve showed up, she wanted to hang with her buddy, even while he was helping his dealer friend break down to leave. I stayed at the show until the dealers started driving into the building to pack up. I dropped almost 500 cards from my wantlist over the course of the vacation and managed to complete one set. I got the opportunity to meet one fellow OBCer and a few hobby people I had only emailed or read about. The only bad thing about the trip home (besides the fact it was really long) was knowing there were 500 cards in the trunk for me to sort and that I would have to get busy updating my online wantlist. Then, I'll need to file away the cards and check the '79 set to see if it's really finished or if some gremlin has visited us while I was away. Steve makes two other OBCers I have met (Larry Tipton is the other). Not a large number for somebody who's been in the group for just under two years, but I'm unfortunate to be living in an area that's relatively dormant in the hobby. Maybe I'll get the chance to meet some others, or at least stop making rookie mistakes like leaving the OBC cap at home. On that note...anybody swinging through Florida is welcome to stop by and stay the evening in Jacksonville. The guest bedroom has a bed, cable and most of my collection. Maybe that can help me to meet a few other OBCers... Wow, this turned out to be a long one. Even Ken Morganti is flashing the "time's up " sign now. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:04:05 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 16:22:47 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Ft. Washington report and thanks Hi gang, I've been a little under the weather the past couple days, so that's why this report has taken so long to type up. I left Friday afternoon about a half hour later than I originally planned and that put me right in the middle of rush hour traffic on the Garden State Parkway. It wasn't as bad as the last trip down through the snow however. I arrived about 6:45 figuring I could meet up with Howard and give him his Redpath auction winnings which I was supposed to hand over to him in December, but I missed him by 15 minutes because of the snowstorm turning my commute into an 8 hour ordeal. I quickly ran into Steve Rittenberg, who informed me that I had missed Howard again by 15 minutes. AARRGHH!! Not wanting to stick around and spend all my money in the first hour, I convinced Steve to break out early and head over for some Chinese food. It didn't take too much convincing actually, more like reminding Steve that he hadn't eaten all day. After that we headed back to Joe Greco's, where I quickly became attached to a couple pillows and got the rest of the sleep I had missed out on my drive down there. Saturday I woke up early (early to bed, early to rise) and was treated to a hearty breakfast and I was on the road with Steve at 9. After wandering around looking for deals and not finding too much (other than a 63 Maz), it was approaching noon and I made my way over to the OBC commandeered table in the food court. There I met up with Matt, Fuge, Tim, Andy, Brett, Steve and eventually... Howard, who I guess wasn't trying to avoid me after all As soon as I got to the table, Richard handed me two tallboys (an SP and a LL) which knocked that list down to - ZERO! Awesome stuff, THANKS FUGE!! Steve then told me he found a 1963 Drysdale and I thought I had completed that set as well, but further checking of my list revealed that #299 (Butters, Dustal, Morehead and Schneider rookies) still remains. THANKS STEVE!! Steve also poked around in Matt's (I think) dupes and produced three hits to our 77-78 BKB gray backs list, which we both needed all three, so I got one and Steve took two, since he did the digging. THANKS MATT (and Steve again)!! Most of us met up after the show again for some pizza and the now traditional ripping of Steve's card in half by Brett. I sold one of my 52B Mays cards to Fuge (at a nice discount for finishing off my tallboy set), so I ended the day of walking around a card show with more cash than I started with - there's a first time for everything. (Technically, I wrote out a check to Mike Wheat for a Leaf SP, so I was still down for the day overall, oh well). Got back to Jose's and headed over to Zern's (a large flea market basically) where I resisted the temptation to buy candy, but did indulge in a nice (and messy) Italian sausage. Sunday I returned to the show to try to pick off any decent deals that I noticed the day before and weren't already sold. I spent the majority of my money at Kevin Savage's table buying most of a 1962 Topps FB set (need ten toughies) and a small starter set of 1964 BB with some highs and stars mixed in (coming eventually to a wantlist near you). Also picked up another SP hit to the 1948-9 Leaf set from Levi leaving me with just ten to go. Grabbed about three dozen 1969 higher numbers from the 3/$1 box hoping to get at least a few hits to my list - struck out though :-( A couple other cards I found for $10 each included a 54B Feller and a 52 Topps Slaughter (upgrades)... not much else in the way of trade bait though. I left the show about 1'ish and made it back in six hours, which seemed a little slow, considering I could've been pulled over at any point during the trip. Took a nap and went back to work that night. Not much to add about that other than it was my last night as acting crew chief (I think). When I got home, my whole body was aching, so I marked the crew chief's return by calling in sick last night (and inadvertently gave him a taste of what I've been going through for the last three or four weeks ...I hope ) I feel better now, so we'll see where I'm going to be tonight... dairy, grocery or crew cheif in some other store (there's rumors of a promotion in my future, but as of now they're still only rumors). Up until now I've resisted any advancement, since the pay benefits are small and the extra aggravation is big. Either I'm going soft in my advancing age or this cold is affecting my reasoning. That's all for now. If you've read this far, you have my sincere gratitude (or apologies, condolences if you prefer). TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 14:03:16 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: (Expletive Deleted)! While putting away Ed Joost's 1940 Play Ball card that I picked up at Ft. Washington, I looked at the nine cards I have from that set. Two looked a little It turns out they're reprints! They look a little bit better than the real ones, but still look somehat old. The giveaway was the print on the backs; you could put them next to the real cards and tell the difference in the type. I bought these in '99 from a seller who has a bunch of older material (in fact, it's the same seller that sold Guru the big stash of 60s high #s a year ago). I'm guessing he didn't realize they were fake, but I picked them up for $10. It wasn't an expensive lesson. I'll still buy from them, but I just won't get any prewar stuff unless I take my collection in to examine them first. As for the cards, I'll just keep them in with my collection and use them in the "Guess which card is fake?" game I like to play with them. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: 9 Mar 2004 23:19:20 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: If you're willing to pay $37 for 50 cards of yourself (or $43/100 $48/150 or $54/200) vote for your fav design for us to mock. If you need a lower price, vote for #10 or #11. Email votes are OK. The printer wants 15 people for the order but we might get by with 14. You'll have at least till April 28th to pay so that's plenty of time to run an auction to get your funds :-) CHOICES AND RESULTS - 41 Double Plays, 2 votes, 15.38% - 51 Topps, 1 votes, 7.69% - 53 Topps, 2 votes, 15.38% - 55 Bowman TV (but 2.5"x3.5" size), 4 votes, 30.77% - 56 Topps, 1 votes, 7.69% - 60 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 65 Topps, 3 votes, 23.08% - 72 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - 74 Topps, 0 votes, 0.00% - I'm interested ONLY if I can share a card with a member, to lower the price (25/$19 or 50/$22 or 75/$25 or 100/$28)., 0 votes, 0.00% - I'm interested ONLY if the price is lowered by some combination of using thinner than 100 LB stock, B&W pics, smaller cards or blank backs. , 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - 41 Double Plays - obc_spike@yahoo.com - meyergray@msn.com - 51 Topps - trufan999@aol.com - 53 Topps - cardclctor@aol.com - dodgergeo@elite.net - 55 Bowman TV (but 2.5"x3.5" size) - keithsummers@webtv.net - jharrell@huntingdon.edu - mheilenman@comcast.net - chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com - 56 Topps - MatShirley@aol.com - 60 Topps - 65 Topps - bdangelo@aol.com - okeedokee@pipeline.com - david.skoglund@att.net - 72 Topps - 74 Topps - I'm interested ONLY if I can share a card with a member, to lower the price (25/$19 or 50/$22 or 75/$25 or 100/$28). - I'm interested ONLY if the price is lowered by some combination of using thinner than 100 LB stock, B&W pics, smaller cards or blank backs. For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:17:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "gtx_usa" Subject: attn moderators Several people over the years have mentioned they can not access the site features, such as for voting. I tried to help but it never worked. In the past nobody else has been able to help them either as far as I know. Working as a group owner on other lists, I think I know how to solve the problem finally. For example, the following members currently can NOT vote on line I bet: Celenox (Rob?) Marshall West Howard Morgan I'd like for one of the moderators to go into the MEMBERS list. Then find each of these 4 guys. Click on the spot where it says REQUEST PROFILE & follow the instructions. It'll take less than 7 minutes total I think. This should email the instructions to the person on how to register to use all the group features including voting :-) This has been a problem that nobody has answered in many groups of which I am in. It'll be great to finally solve the issue so I hope it works! Jason, #11 was the 1st number taken (me) :-) Send me an email direct < KeithSummers@webtv.net > & I'll sign you up on OBC-2004-PTC & then you can see who has what already. Thanks :-) ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:55:51 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Let's meet Lynn Miller in DC!! As you may have heard, Lynn Miller is coming stateside next month. He'll be touching down in Washington DC Saturday Apr 3 around midnight. Lynn doesn't know this yet, but I plan to meet him at the airport. Oops. He might know it now. Anyway, Lynn is free Sunday April 4. Rather than let him deal with jet lag or see all those silly monuments, lets throw him a HUGE party. We can do it either where Lynn is staying (Residence Inn Pentagon City) or my place (Silver Spring). I'd like to set this on up for early in the day -- as early as 9 or 10am. We can do the whole brunch thing as long as someone else cooks. Why so early? Lynn has plans Sunday late afternoon (when we ordinarily meet) plus we have a special guest collector that weekend -- Doug Smith, who has a plane back to Big D mid-afternoon. We have to start early to spend as much time as possible with these two OBC VIPs!!! Please let me know if you can attend. DC area guys may get this email twice (just to make sure you get it). DC area social coordinator ================= Date: 10 Mar 2004 04:18:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Advice requested I find myself in the same situation that some of you have recently written about, namely winning multiple auctions from the same person and being charged separate shipping for each card. In my case, I won 4 cards (shipping 3.50 per). I emailed the day before the end of auctions asking for combined shipping and got no response. Day after the auction I got this: To member: obcmazhof From member: pacrimn333 I received ur question on combined shipping and I guess i'll put it like this...at a starting price of 1 cent for 1934 goudy's.....nope.....would thanks for asking tho, To say the least I'd like put his cajones in a vise. Any suggestions? ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:31:20 -0800 (PST) To: "obcjohn@knology.net" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested I usually tell these sellers that if I'm paying four times for shipping, I sure as hell better recieve four separate envelopes in the mail or I'm going to leave the appropriate feedback. It's against eBay policy to "make up" for low sell prices by padding his shipping costs (though it will take an act of Congress to actually get eBay to enforce it). Either he makes a concession to you, or you stand firm on the threat to ding his sorry behind for gouging you. At least, that's what I'd do...and I'd never bid on the guy's auctions again. My two cents... Take care, --- "obcjohn@knology.net" wrote: > I find myself in the same situation that some of you > have recently written > about, namely winning multiple auctions from the > same person and being > charged separate shipping for each card. In my > case, I won 4 cards > (shipping 3.50 per). I emailed the day before the > end of auctions asking > for combined shipping and got no response. Day > after the auction I got this: > To member: obcmazhof > From member: pacrimn333 > -------------------- > I received ur question on combined shipping and I > guess i'll put it like > this...at a starting price of 1 cent for 1934 > goudy's.....nope.....would > you??...lol. > thanks for asking tho, > Harlan > To say the least I'd like put his cajones in a vise. > Any suggestions? > Bama I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:44:03 EST To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested Interesting that he has no negatives or neutrals. I might try to be a little more persuasive before I tightened the vice. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 20:51:56 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested Wow, there's someone who leads a tact-free life. You could send a reply requesting that he add such information to his auctions in the future ("and I won't be bidding on any further cards, by the by"), but clearly customer consideration isn't a major factor for this guy. High shipping to avoid eBay fees is technically against policy, but unfortunately this is a relatively small He gets five :P :P :P :P :P --- "obcjohn@knology.net" wrote: > I find myself in the same situation that some of you have recently written > about, namely winning multiple auctions from the same person and being > charged separate shipping for each card. In my case, I won 4 cards > (shipping 3.50 per). I emailed the day before the end of auctions asking > for combined shipping and got no response. Day after the auction I got this: > I received ur question on combined shipping and I guess i'll put it like > this...at a starting price of 1 cent for 1934 goudy's.....nope.....would > you??...lol. > thanks for asking tho, > Harlan Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 00:09:22 EST To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested I have done this as well and I have a different apporach (no surprise I am sure). If I bid on four items same seller I factor in the shipping for all four as the cost of bidding and if that reaches more than I am willing to pay I don't bid, if it doesn't I am willing to pay the shipping cost for each of the four and if I get a discount on shipping I am happy! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 21:16:58 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My trip to Jersey/Ft. Washington report (LONG)! Great ramble !! Sounds like a hoot of a trip Chris !! Best line in while is "Even Ken Morganti is flashing the "time's up " sign now." A Classic !! hahaha As far as kids go, I have an announcement that makes me proud...my nine yr old son John asked me for some BASEBALL cards tonight, after shunning them in the past in favor of POKEMON or Yu Gi Oh cards. This is a step in the right direction. A big step actually... He's been playing his Nintendo Game Cube with NHL 2003. Any of you familiar with this video game will know that it's a fairly realistic sim of hockey, but this version allows you to gain points after completing tasks like Hat-tricks, Shutouts, 10 faceoff wins, Power Play goals etc. You then use your points to buy HOCKEY CARDS in the game...they even include a card album to track your progress towards a set. He is nearly complete with his set and seems to be totally hooked on the game and the cards!!! I know that 9 yr old's attention spans are not typically too long, but way back in 1971 I was hooked and just look at me today !!!! Cards everywhere !!! Cross your fingers, OBCers, it looks like Chris and I have some upcoming OBCers in our midst. I know that many others of you have kids who already collect cards and some (like James Moleta:) who still have time to teach the virtue of cardboard to them. The future looks bright...I just wish the new cards didn't... OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stufflestreet" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2004 6:55 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My trip to Jersey/Ft. Washington report (LONG)! > Friends, > I am just now getting back and getting unpacked from > my trip. I went up to New Jersey this weekend for a > bar mitzvah, so I sent out an email asking if anybody > along I-95 was up for a short visit. > The only response I got was from Steve Rittenberg and > he said that I could just stop over for the night. > So, Ellen, myself and our 5-year old daughter Melissa > stopped over on Thursday evening after taking a short > visit to see the Capitol Building and the White House. > Melissa likes to watch a DVD of the old "Schoolhouse > Rock" cartoons (remember those?) and the first thing > she wanted to see when we stopped by the Capitol was > the steps. > "Where's Bill?" She fully expected to see Bill on the > front steps just like he was in that old cartoon! > We met Steve at his place and went to a sandwich shop > for dinner. We talked about our hobby interests while > Melissa read an Arthur book out loud and kept > interrupting us with questions about how to say the > bigger words (she's in kindergarten and is coming > along well on her reading skills). Steve and I talked > about OBC, the chat sessions, meeting other OBC > members and trading. Then, we discussed Yankees vs. > Red Sox stuff and it wasn't as antagonistic as it > might sound. > Back at Steve's place, I got to spend far too little > time searching his collection. I think I'll need a > couple of days to see it all, but even Ellen was > impressed at the size and scope of his collection. > Eventually, Steve handed me his dupes boxes and pulled > up my wantlist. I got to search through and find some > really significant damage -- Aaron, Bench, Rose, Ryan, > etc. -- to the 1970s lists. > Those of you who have had young children while > following the hobby will understand how much of a > distraction they can be while you're searching through > stacks of cards. While trying to read card numbers, > you're still keeping an eye on them to seee that > they're not drawing on the walls or throwing toys or > picking up Steve's cat by the tail...it gets to be > something of a chore. Melissa is a normal 5-year old, > and by "normal" I mean she is curious, active and > dangerous at the same time. As an added benefit, > she's incredibly adorable, so people are likely to cut > her a lot of slack even if she accidentally sets the > drapes ablaze. As her father, I have this > uncontrollable instinct to tell her to stop whatever > it is she's doing. I love her, but sometimes I wonder > if my hair will still be on my head before it turns > gray... > You might be wondering why I interrupted the rambling > to talk about my daughter, right? I'm mentioning her > because she's about to figure heavily into the rest of > this story. Anyway, Melissa made herself a buddy for > life with Steve. While thumbing through Steve's > dupes, I began to notice that Melissa had grown quiet. > I looked around and found her on the floor, drawing. > Steve was laying on the floor right across from her > and drawing, too! Steve took the time to play with > her, and she enjoyed it. For the rest of the night, > Melissa was not a problem. > I ended up hitting every Topps set from 1968-'80 > (except for the '75s which Steve refuses to part > with). By the time we had gone back to the '68 Topps > set, Melissa and Ellen had turned in for the night, > and it was nearing midnight. So, Steve put his boxes > away and we sat around talking about OBC, baseball and > the hobby. He had a few books for me and a little > memento of my HOM guy Bill Lee. In fact, Steve was > willing to give me a lot more than what I actually > took...so the rumors other OBCers told me about Steve > were authenticated. He has a very generous spirit and > goes far in representing OBC to the hobby. I can say > that I am better for knowing him, and it was a > pleasure to meet him in person. I appreciate the > cards, books and the use of his guest room for an > evening. > Over dinner that evening, Steve had mentioned that the > Ft. Washington show was being held the same weekend, > and it was only a half hour off the Jersey Turnpike. > I haven't been to a big show like that since '92, so > Ellen and I began to work out an idea to get me there > on Friday evening...we'd stop at our hotel, Ellen and > Melissa would stay with the family and I'd jump back > in the car and drive the 90 minutes back to see the > show. When we showed up at the hotel, it turned out > that there was a big dinner for the family that would > have made me look bad if I skipped out on. Nobody > told us ahead of time about the dinner, so we decided > that I shouldn't head back to PA. > Ellen noticed that I was a little dejected about the > turn of events, so she said that we could leave a > little early on Sunday, drive to PA, see the show for > a few hours and then start heading home. The hotel > had internet service (for a fee), so I sent out a > message to the other OBCers to let them know I would > be coming. Those of you who read the message and sent > back emails after I had signed off, I'm sorry I never > got back to you. > Sunday came and we made an early exit from the brunch > at the hotel. We made our way back to the Turnpike > and into Pennsylvania, and although I left the info on > the show in the trunk -- like the putz I sometimes am > -- it was very easy to find. I walked into the show > and immediately looked for an OBC hat, but found none. > While meandering through the tables, I found a few > dealers who had some beat-up vintage stuff and asked > if they knew any of the OBC guys. > "You mean the guys with the hats!" > "Yes, sir...I'm an OBCer too." > "Where's your hat?" > I tried to explain that as a member of the rather > small Florida delegation of OBC, I was unfamiliar with > the customs used by OBCers in other parts of the > country; however, since my appearance there was a > surprise, I had simply left my hat sitting in my > closet in Jacksonville (note to self: when taking a > trip, remember to bring the hat along...). > Fortunately, I had a few copies of my booklet to > distribute to other OBCers, and the OBC logo inside > that book was a validation. > While searching through the tables, I saw Mr. Mint > schmoozing with a couple of guys in suits. I told > Ellen about the guy...he's been a big-time buyer in > the hobby for 20 years, and a lot of long-time > hobbyists have some interesting stories about him. > Ellen said, "why don't you go and talk to him about > your website and newsletter?" > "Because the guys who've told me about him say he's a > dick." I really don't know if it's true or not, but I > have heard the guy's story enough. I really don't > know if he would be a good fit with the type of > material I write about anyway. So I went on. > A little while later, I saw Bob Lemke at the SCD > table. I grew up reading the old "Baseball Cards > Monthly" magazine, and his name was right there at the > top of the editorial staff in those magazines. As a > kid, I read some of the articles in those magazines > and imagined that someday I would have my own name > underneath an article, so I was honored to let him > know late last year about how some of my fellow OBCers > determined a variation in the T205 set. I recognized > him right away, and patiently waited until he finished > talking to the other gentleman. I introduced myself > and we talked for a few minutes. > After the T205 article was finished, I sent him a copy > of my booklet but never heard back from him about it. > Bob told me that he found the booklet easy to read and > a good basic history of the hobby, and he passed it > along to somebody in Krause's publishing department. > That was neat to know, and a big boost to my > already-inflated ego. I told him about an article I > was writing about Warren Bowman (the guy who founded > Gum Inc. and the Bowman Gum Co.) based on some > discussions I had with his daughter, and he asked me > to send it in when I finished it. > I finally got around to searching tables again, and > asked one of the sellers about OBC, and he said the > same thing the others did..."Where's your hat?" > Turned out this seller was a friend of Steve's, and he > told me that Steve was still hanging around, but all > the other OBC guys he knew were long gone. A few > minutes later, while I was searching his boxes, I > heard him say, "hey Steve, this guy says he's a friend > of yours." I turned to my left and finally saw my > first OBC hat of the day. I had figured I'd look > crazy trying to explain who I was, but since I'd > already met Steve, I didn't have to. > Steve told me that I had missed Morganti and Grizzly > (I think that's the Howard he was talking about), and > that Ken had asked Steve if I had stopped by yet. > Steve -- not having read my OBC post about the show -- > told Ken that I was supposed to stop in on Friday and > should have been halfway to Florida by then. So, > nobody stayed around. The missed communication wasn't > anybody's fault, but I'll take responsibility since I > wasn't certain when I wrote the post exactly when I'd > arrive. No problem, though...Steve went around and > showed me a few OBC-friendly sellers. Bill Henderson > was one, and he and two other OBC-friendly sellers > ended up with a copy of my booklet. I managed to hit > my lists heavily, including two '53 Bowman Steelers, > 20 additions to the ol' "Dog Pound" set ('58 Topps), a > bunch of early '70s Topps and some Play Balls. Steve > managed to find the final card I needed to put the '79 > Topps set to bed once and for all. That set was the > first one I ever started, so finding the last card > made it extra special...so thanks again for the > set-killer, Steve! > While I was making the rounds and talking with > dealers, Ellen took my wantlists and scoured through > some 10-cent boxes. She came up with a bunch of > late-60s and early 70s cards including a bunch of > semi-hi #s from '72. Not bad for a woman who once > thought I was crazy for following a kids' hobby. I > think Ellen's coming around nicely. > Now I get to come back to Melissa. If you've ever > taken a 5-year old to a card show, it can be > stressful. When she sees a toy, you realize that > "toy" is a bobblehead doll or a Hartland statue, and > when she wants to grab it, you just see the price it > will cost you if she breaks it. Upon entering the > show, all three of us were given a UV card, and all > three of the cards went to Melissa. She loved her > shiny little cards, but she looked like she'll be a > perfect fit in this group when she's old enough. One > dealer let her take some masking tape to keep her > occupied while I searched for cards, and she used the > tape to wrap all three of those UV cards up into one > neat little package. I was so proud of her. Once > Steve showed up, she wanted to hang with her buddy, > even while he was helping his dealer friend break down > to leave. > I stayed at the show until the dealers started driving > into the building to pack up. I dropped almost 500 > cards from my wantlist over the course of the vacation > and managed to complete one set. I got the > opportunity to meet one fellow OBCer and a few hobby > people I had only emailed or read about. The only bad > thing about the trip home (besides the fact it was > really long) was knowing there were 500 cards in the > trunk for me to sort and that I would have to get busy > updating my online wantlist. Then, I'll need to file > away the cards and check the '79 set to see if it's > really finished or if some gremlin has visited us > while I was away. > Steve makes two other OBCers I have met (Larry Tipton > is the other). Not a large number for somebody who's > been in the group for just under two years, but I'm > unfortunate to be living in an area that's relatively > dormant in the hobby. Maybe I'll get the chance to > meet some others, or at least stop making rookie > mistakes like leaving the OBC cap at home. > On that note...anybody swinging through Florida is > welcome to stop by and stay the evening in > Jacksonville. The guest bedroom has a bed, cable and > most of my collection. Maybe that can help me to meet > a few other OBCers... > Wow, this turned out to be a long one. Even Ken > Morganti is flashing the "time's up " sign now. > Take care, > Chris > ===== > I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > http://search.yahoo.com > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 23:28:39 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Date: 10 Mar 2004 04:18:02 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:50:19 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested i suggest that you try to contact the seller more than one day before the auction ends. if you dont get a reply, then you should assume the most expensive option will be his answer, i.e. no combined shipping. if the cost of your bid and shipping for each item is too much, dont bid. i do agree though that you at least deserve four separate, well packed ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 09:02:03 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested I'd pay using PayPal. If you end up getting all four cards in 1 envelope I would then file a dispute with your credit card company that you paid for 4 shipping costs and only received one. There's a chance you could then get a refund for the additional $10.50 in shipping costs. Might be worth a try. >From: "obcjohn@knology.net" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested >Date: 10 Mar 2004 04:18:02 -0000 >I find myself in the same situation that some of you have recently written >about, namely winning multiple auctions from the same person and being >charged separate shipping for each card. In my case, I won 4 cards >(shipping 3.50 per). I emailed the day before the end of auctions asking >for combined shipping and got no response. Day after the auction I got >To member: obcmazhof >From member: pacrimn333 >I received ur question on combined shipping and I guess i'll put it like >this...at a starting price of 1 cent for 1934 goudy's.....nope.....would >thanks for asking tho, >To say the least I'd like put his cajones in a vise. Any suggestions? One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – download MSN Toolbar now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ ================= To: , Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:02:28 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested Great idea, Bob! Bob's evil scheme gave me another idea concerning Paypal. Paypal charges sellers 25 cents plus 3% per transaction. If you made four separate paypal payments, one for each card, he would get charged four times instead of once. You would be absolutely within your rights, and it would send a bit of a message, at least. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reed" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested > I'd pay using PayPal. If you end up getting all four cards in 1 envelope > would then file a dispute with your credit card company that you paid for > shipping costs and only received one. There's a chance you could then get > refund for the additional $10.50 in shipping costs. Might be worth a try. > -Bob > >From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested > >Date: 10 Mar 2004 04:18:02 -0000 > > > >I find myself in the same situation that some of you have recently > >about, namely winning multiple auctions from the same person and being > >charged separate shipping for each card. In my case, I won 4 cards > >(shipping 3.50 per). I emailed the day before the end of auctions asking > >for combined shipping and got no response. Day after the auction I got > >this: > > > >To member: obcmazhof > >From member: pacrimn333 > > > >-------------------- > > > > > >I received ur question on combined shipping and I guess i'll put it like > >this...at a starting price of 1 cent for 1934 goudy's.....nope.....would > >you??...lol. > >thanks for asking tho, > >Harlan > > > >To say the least I'd like put his cajones in a vise. Any suggestions? > > > >Bama > _________________________________________________________________ > One-click access to Hotmail from any Web page - download MSN Toolbar now! > http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ > Yahoo! Groups Links Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/21/2004 ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:02:30 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obcjohn@knology.net, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested John and all, Recently had a similar problem. I won three lots at $1 each and the buyer said he would not combine the $1.50 shipping. I wrote to him saying that I wont pay that much and he said he would leave negative feedback. I then got to I called the local post office. It is AGAINST the law to state $1.50 shipping for three seperate items and then package them in one package. It is mail fraud. I then e-mailed the seller the info I found out. He cursed me out. I paid anyway. When the package arrived (in one package with 3 stamps), I did not open it and brought it to the post office with a print out of his e-mails, the auctions, and my responses. I filed a mail fraud charge (you can tell I had had it with this kind of crap). I then left negative feedback. That was a month ago. He was notified about a week ago that an investigation was in progress (I think the post office turned it over to another agency to go after him). He sent me a check this week for the difference in postage. Lots of work but he learned a lesson. I do not do this everytime. Usually, I pay, wait until I get the positive feedback and leave a neutral about shipping. PS Ask me about the time I showed up in Phoenix to pick up a card I had won and was told I still had to pay shipping!! ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:31:06 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obcjohn@knology.net, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested wow: better not get joshua pissed at you! ================= To: Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:00:26 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested You ought to get that PS printed on a T-shirt, and wear it to The National! -----Original Message----- From: Wite3@aol.com [mailto:Wite3@aol.com] Sent: 10 March 2004 17:03 To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com; obcjohn@knology.net; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested John and all, Recently had a similar problem. I won three lots at $1 each and the buyer said he would not combine the $1.50 shipping. I wrote to him saying that I wont pay that much and he said he would leave negative feedback. I then got to thinking... I called the local post office. It is AGAINST the law to state $1.50 shipping for three seperate items and then package them in one package. It is mail fraud. I then e-mailed the seller the info I found out. He cursed me out. I paid anyway. When the package arrived (in one package with 3 stamps), I did not open it and brought it to the post office with a print out of his e-mails, the auctions, and my responses. I filed a mail fraud charge (you can tell I had had it with this kind of crap). I then left negative feedback. That was a month ago. He was notified about a week ago that an investigation was in progress (I think the post office turned it over to another agency to go after him). He sent me a check this week for the difference in postage. Lots of work but he learned a lesson. I do not do this everytime. Usually, I pay, wait until I get the positive feedback and leave a neutral about shipping. PS Ask me about the time I showed up in Phoenix to pick up a card I had won and was told I still had to pay shipping!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click HereClick Here . ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:07:11 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested I had a sudden flash of Michael Douglas from Falling Down: "You're the thief! I'm just standing up for my rights as a consumer!" That's a good lesson for dealers everywhere. Now if we could only get something like that for those people who outbid me at the last minute. ;) --- Wite3@aol.com wrote: > I do not do this everytime. Usually, I pay, wait until I get the positive > feedback and leave a neutral about shipping. > -Joshua Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 16:24:46 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Any idea what these are from? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792519683&category=50130 eBay lot of badges with ribbons, look reasonably old if only because they don't make things this detailed anymore. LA Dodgers are mentioned, so it must be 60s or so, but other than that... Anyone seen these or collect them who can fill me in? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:29:37 EST To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any idea what these are from? I have one of these of the Mets, circa the mid 60s... ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 19:41:50 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Ft Washington 'weekend' The weekend started on Thursday for me. I skipped out of work at 11am on Thursday to try to clean the house in advance of Chris S's drive by. It'll never get done but Chris, Ellen (wife) and Melissa (5 yr old daughter) never said anything. They came by around 7 and we got some dinner. Afterwards we went back home. Chris looked through my collection while I colored with Melissa. I think I need someone around who laughs at everything I say, as she did. Best line of the evening -- "Im bald because one day I forget to feed my cat so she got hungry and ate all my hair." I wonder how much of that kind of stuff little kids will remember. Chris and I turned in around 12. Everyone got up the next morning. The S's were out by 9:30. I scraped some stuff together and got on the road for Ft Wash at 10:30 am after having a BIG bout of anxiety about going to the show at all. Shouldn't I do stuff at home? I have next to no money. What they heck am I do going to a large three day show? In the end, I caved in to imaginary peer pressure. I heard the voices of others in my head sounded disappointing if I didn't show up. So off I went. I made it to the show in a record 2 hours (150 miles). I showed up just in time to help a dealer unload at 1pm. I show up early and help unload / set up in exchange for a (free) dealer badge for the weekend plus the opportunity to get first pickings. The best stuff I got on Friday was about 100 non-sports cards (mostly 19th cent A&G cards) for $80 bucks. Nothing spectacular from the usual sources (Roger Neufeldt, Bill Henderson, Kevin Savage). Highlight of the show on Friday was seeing Howard (Grizzly) Morgan and Tim Newcomb. I convinced Howard NOT to buy some Globetrotter cards, as I have a pile here which would be available at a 100% discount to him. Tim and I seldom swap cards but its always nice to catch up. Someday I vow to know by sight all the stuff Tim is collecting (E-cards, M-116 and other pre-war goodies). Ken popped in around 6 or 7. I had done enough for the day so we went off for the traditional Chinese dinner followed by a trip up to ex-OBCer Joe Greco's house for the weekend. In between video games, Joe's kids taught me more than I ever wanted to know about Spongebob Squarepants. But I am happy I now know what to do on "opposite day". Ken and I dropped like flies soon enough, ending a long day for everyone. Saturday Joe made us a big breakfast before we headed to the show. I got a few goodies Saturday -- 52T Rizzutto (black back), 53T Rizzutto (black bio), maybe an Early Wynn 53T too. I still haven't unpacked so its a blur at the moment. I saw Fuge and Matt-man Saturday morning. That was a nice surprise as I hadn't expected them until Sunday. We all congregated at the food court after lunch time where I re-connected with Brett Domue, Andy Cook, Grizzly plus Ken, Fuge, Matt-man and Tim. Turns out Bob Lemke of SCD was there at the table with us having some sort of meeting, I think. VCD? Maybe Tim knows. I wish I had known Bob was going to be there. I would have shown him all the STUPID CARDS THAT I CAN'T FIND IN SCD! Like the 1981 Fleer All-Star Stickers and the 1981 Fleer sticker puzzle. Well, someday I guess my questions will be answered. After lunch - huh? no one ate. After an hour or so, Howard's friend Rocco showed up. They had opened up about 6 BOXED of the latest/greatest UV stuff. I brought them over to a guy who finished off their base set and traded high numbers/ SPs with them. I got a high number Manny out of the deal. Sweet!! Only time for another hour or so of wandering as we decided to cut out early Saturday. Maybe it was Saturday that I found a '63 Mets team card priced at $15. I asked if he'd take $10 and he said "for an OBCer, yes!". I was pleasantly surprised. NOTE TO ALL --- WEAR YOUR HATS TO GET BETTER DEALS! HATS WILL BE SHIPPED TO THE NEWEST GUYS SOON. Sorry for the shouting. I hadn't ever met this guy but I think that Doug met him once in Dallas. PJS sportscards I think. Plus, he was really impressed with the Redpath Auction. After the show we headed over to the traditional Saturday pizza where, yes, Brett continued his tradition of tearing one of my cards in half. After that, I was afraid to let him hold any of my dupes! Luckily, he looked at all the Close Encounter cards I found for Matt-man and didnt rip up any. I think a box I brought along ended up with a full set for me and got Matt-man's list down to just a single card. Not as much swapping as usual on Saturday. Our lists are all getting TOUGH! Saturday night I pulled cards for Joe Greco, nearly finishing his '73 set. Plus, Ken and I wrote down cards needed by him and others to hunt for on Sunday. Someday we might even buy a portable printer but I doubt it. We headed back to the show Sunday morning. I had hoped to do some damage to the easy stuff on my list like team cards and checklists. I think I eventually got a couple of each. Around 1:30 or so, I bump into Chris Stufflestreet, with family. I'm shocked. I hadn't read Chris's change of plans email. I told Chris I couldn't find 1979 Topps #5 for him all weekend in 10 cent boxes. Finally, one last chance idea hit me -- John Hong has lots and lots of commons. I asked him about '79s and got the last card for Chris' set. In exchange, Chris bought the '79 Blue Jays team card that I needed to finish my team card mini-set. Two sets finished within 5 minutes! I brought and/or pointed out Chris to a few of the OBC friendliest dealers. Kevin Savage didn't have lots of OBC friendly stuff so I figured Chris would have better luck with guys like Bill Henderson and Roger Neufeldt. And Chris seemed to do fine on his own as well. I finally got out of the expo center at 6pm. Packing up / loading up took longer than usual. The guy I help had loaned his two-wheeler elsewhere so we had to wait for that. In the interim, I went garbage picking and found 1/2 dozen brand new card albums plus a 3000 count box for my troubles. I limped back up to Joe's, deciding a home cooked meal of chicken & mashed potatoes would be better than Wendy's, even though it would extend my day by three hours. In the end it was worth it, though I didnt know it at the time. I think I picked up some sort of bug from Joe's kids over the weekend and nearly hurled several times on the way back to DC. Blah. Finally got in at 11pm and really hurled. And hurled. And hurled. Hopefully "hurl" is not too disgusting a word. I can think of worse. That's about it for the weekend. Hope I didnt leave anything out. Thanks to all who made it to the show. Seeing OBCers is ALWAYS the best part of a show weekend. And thanks to Chris and Ken for inspiring me to write this short note. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 21:38:40 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: The only variations I plan on collecting are ..... the 1958 team card variations. 16 teams that year. On the backs of the first 12 are numerical checklists for each of the series (first through fourth). After that it gets interesting. #377 Braves team #397 Tigers team #408 Orioles team #428 Reds team Each of these cards comes in two flavors. The common one has an alphabetical checklist on the back of the card. The scarce one has a numerical checklist on the back. I've been haphazardly looking for these for a couple of years. Its really the kind of variation that will be overlooked when you are pouring through the bargain boxes. I looked through my team checklist binder tonight and discovered that I do own the scarce numerical version of the Tigers team card. But I don't have a "normal" one. So now I need a normal one. And I'm still looking for a numerical checklist version of the other three. Any variation collectors want to comment? Anyone want to check their dupes and discover "I have an extra for Steve" or think about this and decide "I think I'll collect these too". If you decide to pull a numerical checklist out of your set for me, payback won't be immediate but it will be immense. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 11:40:55 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg From: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let's meet Lynn Miller in DC!! And miss seeing "the collection", not a chance, your place it is! Besides, there's more people know where you live than where I do :-) Cya gang, Lynn Steve Rittenberg wrote: >As you may have heard, Lynn Miller is coming stateside next month. He'll be >touching down in Washington DC Saturday Apr 3 around midnight. Lynn doesn't >know this yet, but I plan to meet him at the airport. Oops. He might know >it now. >Anyway, Lynn is free Sunday April 4. Rather than let him deal with jet lag >or see all those silly monuments, lets throw him a HUGE party. We can do it >either where Lynn is staying (Residence Inn Pentagon City) or my place >(Silver Spring). I'd like to set this on up for early in the day -- as >early as 9 or 10am. We can do the whole brunch thing as long as someone >else cooks. Why so early? Lynn has plans Sunday late afternoon (when we >ordinarily meet) plus we have a special guest collector that weekend -- Doug >Smith, who has a plane back to Big D mid-afternoon. We have to start early >to spend as much time as possible with these two OBC VIPs!!! >Please let me know if you can attend. DC area guys may get this email twice >(just to make sure you get it). >DC area social coordinator ================= Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 02:35:30 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: UV Availables: 80 & 85 Topps 1980 Topps #9, 66, 26, 45, 98(x3), 130, 157, 185, 219(x2), 248, 273, 295(x2), 330, 360, 389, 409(x2), 417(x2), 433, 474, 492(x2), 508, 525, 547(x2), 565, 585, 705(x2) 1985 Topps #49, 100, 164, 188, 217, 244, 308, 334, 359, 387, 412, 486, 542, 561, 595, 644, 671, 773 Sorry no McGwire ("pre-nutritional supplements") RC's in this lot. http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:11:47 -0800 From: Subject: Canadian BIG ONE Well Gals and Guys: It is that wonderful time of year (spring training? flowers? taxes?) when those of us who live in the Pacific Northwest venture north of the border and mix with our Canadian brethren, for THE BIG ONE(BG). This will be my third trip to the Croation Community Club where the BG is held. I file a report every year and there is ALWAYS something interesting going on. One year St. Al was the entertainment, another year it was the hockey player I talked to during a lunch break. Expect Familytoad will be joining me and will be meeting Constable (sorry - EX Constable) Grant, who will be our host, chauffer, go-for, and expert on all things Canadian. Wish me well as I venture to our favorite ally, the strangely familiar Canada where hockey is king, football is prince, and baseball is a distant Mike Coffee-Guy DEEoweMontEE ================= To: , Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 12:52:45 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Canadian BIG ONE And if Mocha Mike and the Family Toad had a couple of extra days to spare, I could take them to Slavery Island. But I'm not sure just where they stand on issues like self-abuse, torture, and destruction. Well Gals and Guys: It is that wonderful time of year (spring training? flowers? taxes?) those of us who live in the Pacific Northwest venture north of the border and mix with our Canadian brethren, for THE BIG ONE(BG). This will be my trip to the Croation Community Club where the BG is held. I file a every year and there is ALWAYS something interesting going on. One year St. Al was the entertainment, another year it was the hockey I talked to during a lunch break. Expect Familytoad will be joining me will be meeting Constable (sorry - EX Constable) Grant, who will be our chauffer, go-for, and expert on all things Canadian. Wish me well as I venture to our favorite ally, the strangely familiar where hockey is king, football is prince, and baseball is a distant Mike Coffee-Guy DEEoweMontEE Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:41:19 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Take Lynn out to the ballgame... (Wed or Thu night in Baltimore) Take Lynn out to the park, Buy him some peanuts and cracker jacks, We don't care if he never gets back [...to the Philippines] (full lyrics here: http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/ballgame.htm ) Lynn Miller has agreed to make a RARE public appearance at Camden Yards in historic Baltimore. Following a brief speech by Lynn, attendees are welcome to stay for that night's game between the Boston Red Sox and Baltimore Orioles (7:05pm). Lynn is available either Wednesday April 7 or Thursday April 8. Wednesday is better for me but final decision will be made by the "Take Lynn out to the ballgame" chairman. A volunteer needs to step up for this once in a lifetime opportunity of making Lynn's visit to Camden Yards a night to remember. Responsibilities include: seeing who wants to go to a game, deciding if we should get tickets in advance or buy them at the gate, keeping the rest of us up to date. ================= To: , Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:28:59 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Canadian BIG ONE I might have a couple days to spare. I have to bring my wife and kids so I'll provide my own self-abuse, torture, and destruction. Keep your goons from the gate and we'll be there on Saturday morning. I'm looking for my birth certificate that would allow for easier passage through the border, but that document is as old as many of these silly baseball cards we toss about...and I'm surely in worse condition than most of them. Mike, expect another email from me soon re: our plans. I have to finalize with the warden...err wife. OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Rainsley" To: ; Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Canadian BIG ONE > And if Mocha Mike and the Family Toad had a couple of extra days to > spare, I could take them to Slavery Island. But I'm not sure just where > they stand on issues like self-abuse, torture, and destruction. > Grant > Well Gals and Guys: > It is that wonderful time of year (spring training? flowers? taxes?) > when > those of us who live in the Pacific Northwest venture north of the > border and > mix with our Canadian brethren, for THE BIG ONE(BG). This will be my > third > trip to the Croation Community Club where the BG is held. I file a > report > every year and there is ALWAYS something interesting going on. > One year St. Al was the entertainment, another year it was the hockey > player > I talked to during a lunch break. Expect Familytoad will be joining me > and > will be meeting Constable (sorry - EX Constable) Grant, who will be our > host, > chauffer, go-for, and expert on all things Canadian. > Wish me well as I venture to our favorite ally, the strangely familiar > Canada > where hockey is king, football is prince, and baseball is a distant > cousin.... > Mike Coffee-Guy DEEoweMontEE > Yahoo! Groups Links > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: , Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:21:18 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Arrived in England! OBCers -- I have arrived in one piece and wanted to send this out to check my email address...more later if it works... Cheers, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:25:03 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 95 OBC set / 3 databases! = 7 questions/ attn Howard ================= To: , Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:50:37 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Another try OK, it appears it went out since Grant replied, but I didn't get them. Here goes another try after messing around a bit...sorry for clogging up you inbox... ================= To: Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:54:21 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Marshall's science project ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 05:56:49 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Hopefully last one... It still didn't work...I tried one more thing so hopefully this does it. My emails are going to my earthlink account, but not to this new one. ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:07:39 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: I give up OBCers -- It appears these messages are going out, since I'm getting replies. However, for some reason, they are not showing up in my inbox. Does anybody haveany idea what I could be messing up? When I go to My Groups, it shows this as my email address. I'm still seeing them show up in my Earthlink account, but I need to close that one... Thanks for any help! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:01:53 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Marshall's science project Anything over an ounce is rounded up to the next ounce so that 1.1 oz is charged at the 2 ounce rate of 60 cents. So it appears 10 cards in the max that you can send with one stamp (although that might be a little high). I usually wrap a sheet of paper around the cards so that's probably why I can't get 10 for an ounce. How much does one sheet of paper weigh? >From: "Marshall West" >Reply-To: "Marshall West" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Marshall's science project >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 22:54:21 -0700 >I got tired of going to a busy Post Office to get "outbound packages" >weighed for proper postage. Last night, I saw a neat looking little >postage scale at Office Max and bought it for $30. Below are the results >of my first night of "messing around" with it, and I thought it might be of >some interest to OBC. >POSTAGE COST SCIENCE PROJECT >by Marshall West, member OBC >POSTAGE SCALE (PS)= Sunbeam Model SP5 >ENVELOPE (E)= Mead all-purpose white envelope / 9.5 x 4.5 inches >PLASTIC CARD HOLDER (PCH)= 3-hole piece cut from a 9-hole page (Rotman >PS900TL)BASEBALL CARDS (BC)= 1962 Topps Woodies, EX+, in shoe box for 42 >TEMPERATURE in my baseball card room= 72 degrees >E= .1 oz >E+PCH = .4 oz >E+PCH+2BC= .5 oz postage is $0.37 >E+PCH+4BC= .6 oz >E+PCH+6BC= .7 oz >E+PCH+8BC= .8 oz >E+PCH+9BC= .9 oz >E+PCH+10BC= 1.0 oz >E+PCH+11BC= 1.1 oz >E+PCH+13BC= 1.2 oz >E+PCH+14BC= 1.3 oz >E+PCH+15BC= 1.4 oz >E+PCH+17BC= 1.5 oz >E+PCH+19BC= 1.6 oz >E+PCH+20BC= 1.7 oz >E+PCH+22BC= 1.8 oz >E+PCH+24BC= 1.9 oz >E+PCH+25BC= 2.0 oz postage is $0.60 >I have sent a lot less than 25 cards before, and still got charged $0.60 >for first-class postage. Any thoughts or comments? >Marshall "the mailman delivers" West Get business advice and resources to improve your work life, from bCentral. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/loudclear.armx ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 06:12:15 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: Re: Marshall's science project - Pug's "Rigid Object" Theory Subject: Marshall's science project Marshall, I plugged my zip code in Hawaii and my parent's in upstate NY into the USPS Domestic Calculator at www.usps.gov and came up with different figures than yours. Apparently the USPS charges more for an "envelope containing rigid object". .1 to 1.0 = .49 (rigid object) 1.1 to 2.0 = .60 2.1 = .83 http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:53:08 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg From: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Take Lynn out to the ballgame... (Wed or Thu I promise to give new meaning to the word "brief", there's no Morganti in me ;-) And they better have some Cracker Jacks, and foot long hot dogs and big soft pretzels. Stuff I've missed for years, yowser, yowser, yowser!!! My diabetologist is going to have my butt me when I get back home. Cya at the ballpark, Lynn Steve Rittenberg wrote: >Take Lynn out to the park, >Buy him some peanuts and cracker jacks, >We don't care if he never gets back [...to the Philippines] >(full lyrics here: http://www.niehs.nih.gov/kids/lyrics/ballgame.htm ) >Lynn Miller has agreed to make a RARE public appearance at Camden Yards in >historic Baltimore. Following a brief speech by Lynn, attendees are welcome >to stay for that night's game between the Boston Red Sox and Baltimore >Orioles (7:05pm). >Lynn is available either Wednesday April 7 or Thursday April 8. Wednesday >is better for me but final decision will be made by the "Take Lynn out to >the ballgame" chairman. A volunteer needs to step up for this once in a >lifetime opportunity of making Lynn's visit to Camden Yards a night to >remember. Responsibilities include: seeing who wants to go to a game, >deciding if we should get tickets in advance or buy them at the gate, >keeping the rest of us up to date. >Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 08:54:36 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBC's right there in the title http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2793788683&category=642 OBC-quality through-and-through. That's to say nothing of tigerdave07, of course, who proclaims "Canada's only OBC authorized sports card dealer!" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2792614881&category=642 I believe we're slipping slowly towards a brand image. Time to "sell out" and start a grading Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:04:11 -0700 From: grains@dccnet.com Subject: mytelus.com Story - Security strike looms for B.C. airports Email message: grains@dccnet.com has sent you a news article Personal message: For those on Lynn alert, be prepared for a change in schedule. I'll update when I know more. I expect the Feds to jump in and order them to keep working though. Negotiations are ongoing. Grant mytelus.com Story - Security strike looms for B.C. airports http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?articleID=1549266 ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:07:08 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: some signs of life Still not sure what's going on, but I did get a couple random postings...if I get this one, I guess I'll be ok...sorry again for the barrage! ================= To: , Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:02:20 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested Wow! This puts Josh right up there with Howard! Ask Howard to tell you about the generator he installed after the neighbor wouldn't let him run power across a small strip of the neighbors land. I think there were "muffler problems" with the generator Nice work Josh! ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com ; obcjohn@knology.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice requested John and all, Recently had a similar problem. I won three lots at $1 each and the buyersaid he would not combine the $1.50 shipping. I wrote to him saying that Iwont pay that much and he said he would leave negative feedback. I then got to thinking... I called the local post office. It is AGAINST the law to state $1.50 shipping for three seperate items and then package them in one package. It is mail fraud. I then e-mailed the seller the info I found out. He cursed me out. I paid anyway. When the package arrived (in one package with 3 stamps), I did not open it and brought it to the post office with a print out of hise-mails, the auctions, and my responses. I filed a mail fraud charge (you can tell I had had it with this kind of crap). I then left negative feedback. That was a month ago. He was notified about a week ago that an investigation was in progress (I think the post office turned it over to another agency to go after him). He sent me a check this week for the difference in postage. Lots of work but he learned a lesson. I do not do this everytime. Usually, I pay, wait until I get the positivefeedback and leave a neutral about shipping. PS Ask me about the time I showed up in Phoenix to pick up a card I had won and was told I still had to pay shipping!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 19:36:33 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: directory/ ebay IDs/ DOBs/ occupations The directory will not fully load when I open the email. It ends at about Corvello I think. Does someone have last months still? I discarded mine :-( I like the plain text one that shows the email addy without having to click on a name. If not can someone at least send the updated ebay ID list that Sassy use to send out? Also does someone have the DOBs in an email by birthdate? Last of all, someone was working on an OCCUPATION list at one time. Will someone send me a final copy? Thanks :-) ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 21:37:29 -0500 From: Bob Saxton Subject: good trade I saw Dan Angland's name on the application list. Just finished a very nice trade with him and would recommend him for membership. Down at the Diner: A Daily Diary of Life in the Not-so-fast Lane http://downatthediner.blogspot.com/ Judgeguy's Beachcombing Page http://www.velocity.net/~maryl6892/index.html ================= Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 22:59:42 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: directory/poll Thanks to all who tried. The March issue goes to FOX for me. Mark Talbot sent me FEB which works perfect. Thanks Mark! I'm still waiting to see if Marshall, Howard, Rob or whoever that 4th person was, can vote now. Someone create a poll! I deleted the card # poll in Ramblings. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:30:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "detroitsquirrel" Subject: 13 fantasy teams needed OK, I've got a few of you to join, there is 13 more openings to fill the division up. We will draft as soon as the division fills orclose enough to the opening day mark (march-30) but still giving time to fix your team up. If interested, its FREE and right here on Yahoo. The division is -- Detroit Baseball League and the password is - detroit. If you have any questions please let me know. --Scott 'Squirrel' Earle-- ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 04:51:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "detroitsquirrel" Subject: Fantasy Baseball Lge. ID# The League ID# 208737 for Fantasy Baseball ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 00:50:11 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: Availables - 1978 OPC Baseball Here are a few 1978 OPC baseball I would like to find a new home for. FCFS ! 4, 32, 90, 107, 181, 207 ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 07:26:59 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Unknown card OBCers -- I woke this morning to a lovely sunny day over here on the world's largest aircraft carrier, a nice switch from the dreary couple of days that greeted us (which I imagine will be the norm)! A quick check of the mailbox finds a forwarded 1951 Red Back from Jim Silva - very cool! I'm about half way on that set - I wish I had it here so we could play the game. Our stuff doesn't show up until May, so we are a bit limited on household toys and games for now. I'm about UNOed out. Thanks, Jim! I also received an Ebay lot to start my E120 collection. I got a very cool Ray Schalk card that shows the catcher's gear of the period in all it's glory. The second card is of Ray Schmandt, however it's a blank back. I know there was a lot of blank back brothers to the E121 set, but what set could this card be from? I don't have my big SCD here, so I can't look it up. Anybody have any ideas? Have a great weekend and go Illini!! Cheers, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 06:11:55 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unknown card In a message dated 3/13/2004 2:27:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes: I also received an Ebay lot to start my E120 collection. I got a very cool Ray Schalk card that shows the catcher's gear of the period in all it's glory. The second card is of Ray Schmandt, however it's a blank back. I know there was a lot of blank back brothers to the E121 set, but what set could this card be from? Geno, it's a W575-1. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 08:36:55 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: 1978 OPC Availables All have been taken except 207 Expos Team . ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:13:18 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unknown card Strip card that used same photos and design. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:54:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: HELP! This is not related to baseball but it is related to collecting. My wife collects jewelry the way I collect cards. She has a number of items in her dups box that she would like to auction off on ebay. She wants to include pictures but ebay says she has to set up a web page. I'm no help, but I'm sure there is a wealth of knowledge out there in OBCland. You can send responses directly to her at the above address. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:13:50 -0500 (EST) To: Originaleek@webtv.net From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: EEK/ Andy someone has #12 & #18 can you live with another card #? EEK, with webtv I use www.pennythings.com to post pics for my auctions, which is easy & works for webtv people & others. The first 5 pics or so are free then it's only like 7-15 cents each or such. If she DOES want a web page then she can still make one at webtv but the pics wil not show in the auction, as far as I know. People will have to enter the URL she posts in the description to get to her webtv page to see the pics. There may be a way to make a clickable link in the description of your auction. For webtv uploading (if you have the PLUS unit), simply plug camera into VCR AV jack. If not using a webtv PLUS unit then try making a web page at < www.webspawner.com > & gve a thanks to Bama for this recommendation! ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 18:37:31 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Canadian Field Report Dateline: Delta BC Author: IslandCoffeeman Subject: Canadian reportings Well Guys and Gals: I am hunkered down in the Rainsley bunker (computer room) after thoroughly having my *** whipped, 3 cribbage games in a row...but let's return to yesterday when I began my journey to: HOCKEYVILLE. When I left Whidbey Island Friday afternoon I had the foresight to stop at the Double Barrel BBQ and pick up the brisket special for $9.95 (10-15 slabs of brisket in sauce, creamy cole slaw, yummy beans 2 Diet Pepsi). On a sunny afternoon just off I-5, I sat at a picnic table, slowly devoured my late lunch, and pondered my fate that lay ahead, in After 45 minutes at the Peace Arch, wearing out my clutch, I was finally IN COUNTRY, and on my way to Rainsley Manor where I had the distinct pleasure to meet Grant's father (a true gentleman, unlike his son), and enjoy a fine meal catered by Jenny. Grant and I wondered where St. Al and Familytoad could be, but this revealed itself later. I presented Grant with the gift of a lifetime - a custom cribbage board with John Wayne's picture under the clear epoxy finish. I alerted Jenny that she would see Grant cry when he opened his gift, but instead, he knelt down in front of the Duke and prayed...oh well, my predictions are rarely correct. After waxing Grant's *** on his new cribbage board, we retired to the bunker (aka computer room) to check on Brian Lindholme and St. Al. Lo and behold, Al had mailed us some blubbery note about not being invited to THE BIG ONE and made up some phony-baloney excuses about not being here. We e-mailed St. Al back that he was full of it, only to be insulted even MORE by his next e-mail, which I won't repeat here (out of respect for the family nature of Ramblings.). After a fabulous night of sleep (did not arise until 0900), Grant and I headed to the White Spot for a superb breakfast of eggs, toast, hash browns, sausage/bacon coffee. Got to the BIG ONE and quickly made our rounds before settling in for some serious haggling. I ended up with some vintage material as did Grant. The amount of quality hockey material was stunning. Since we had a plan to return Sunday and hook up with Tiger Dave (Canada's ONLY authorized OBC dealer), we left mid-afternoon and ran errands. Back at Rainsley manor we picked up an e-mail from Brian informing us that he thought the BIG ONE was NEXT WEEKEND and he just couldn't face the long drive...sigh..who is the heart and soul of the Pac Norwest chapter you ask? Ex-Constable Grant and Coffee Guy would be the winning answer... Oh yeah, Rainsley then beat me 3 cribbage games in a row and I lost not only 2 '55 Bowmans (Solly Hemus AND Moose Skowron), but I lost an American greenback as well. I need your thoughts and prayers to combat the drain of American dollars into the Canadian treasury. Will file a follow-up report as soon as I recover from the cribbage Mike Dee-owe-Rainsley-oh-monte ================= To: , Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:50:48 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Canadian Field Report wha.. what...you mean to say that I missed the Big One ?? Like Big Al has been known to claim..."I may be lost, but I'm making good time I have my plans all set...for NEXT week. I guess I'll have to plead insanity,stupidity and ignorance on this one...Ijust blew it and am sorry that I missed seeing my good NW Buddies. I'm packing for the next big one in October ( or is it November...HELP Grant Sign Me,Confused in Oregon... Anyway, it's still OBC Forever. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 6:37 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Canadian Field Report Dateline: Delta BC Author: IslandCoffeeman Subject: Canadian reportings Well Guys and Gals: I am hunkered down in the Rainsley bunker (computer room) after thoroughly having my *** whipped, 3 cribbage games in a row...but let's return to yesterday when I began my journey to: HOCKEYVILLE. When I left Whidbey Island Friday afternoon I had the foresight to stop at the Double Barrel BBQ and pick up the brisket special for $9.95 (10-15 slabs of brisket in sauce, creamy cole slaw, yummy beans 2 Diet Pepsi). On asunny afternoon just off I-5, I sat at a picnic table, slowly devoured my late lunch, and pondered my fate that lay ahead, in HOCKEYVILLE. After 45 minutes at the Peace Arch, wearing out my clutch, I was finally IN COUNTRY, and on my way to Rainsley Manor where I had the distinct pleasure to meet Grant's father (a true gentleman, unlike his son), and enjoy a fine meal catered by Jenny. Grant and I wondered where St. Al and Familytoad could be, but this revealed itself later. I presented Grant with the gift of a lifetime - a custom cribbage board with John Wayne's picture under the clear epoxy finish. I alerted Jenny that she would see Grant cry when he opened his gift, but instead, he knelt down in front of the Duke and prayed...oh well, my predictions are rarely correct. After waxing Grant's *** on his new cribbage board, we retired to the bunker (aka computer room) to check on Brian Lindholme and St. Al. Lo and behold, Al had mailed us some blubbery note about not being invited to THE BIG ONE and made up some phony-baloney excuses about not being here. We e-mailed St. Al back that he wasfull of it, only to be insulted even MORE by his next e-mail, which I won't repeat here (out of respect for the family nature of Ramblings.). After a fabulous night of sleep (did not arise until 0900), Grant and I headed to the White Spot for a superb breakfast of eggs, toast, hash browns,sausage/bacon coffee. Got to the BIG ONE and quickly made our rounds before settling in for some serious haggling. I ended up with some vintage material as did Grant. The amount of quality hockey material was stunning. Since we had a plan to return Sunday and hook up with Tiger Dave (Canada's ONLY authorized OBC dealer), we left mid-afternoon and ran errands. Back atRainsley manor we picked up an e-mail from Brian informing us that he thought the BIG ONE was NEXT WEEKEND and he just couldn't face the long drive...sigh..who is the heart and soul of the Pac Norwest chapter you ask? Ex-Constable Grant and Coffee Guy would be the winning answer... Oh yeah, Rainsley then beat me 3 cribbage games in a row and I lost not only 2 '55 Bowmans (Solly Hemus AND Moose Skowron), but I lost an American greenback as well. I need your thoughts and prayers to combat the drain of American dollars into the Canadian treasury. Will file a follow-up report as soon as I recover from the cribbage losses.. Mike Dee-owe-Rainsley-oh-monte Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 12:29:18 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Looking for Hockey game help I would like to know if any of the Hockey guys would know this. I would like to date this hockey game from my youth. Munro " Hot Shot" Hockey game. Box says made in Canada box is red and white/ with hockey characters on front. Game itself has sliding metal players......board is white........players totally spin around.....Teams included in box are Detroit, NY. Chicago, Boston. I remember playing with it when I was about 12 and older.......which puts me back to around 1965. There appears to be no other dating of anykind anywhere.... I have no reason why I picked this morning to go digging around, in my house.....but you guys now.... how it goes. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ken Goetsch ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 18:46:29 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Diamanti Invades Canada Wow, what a weekend it has been. Mocha Mike arrived just in time for dinner Friday night, as should be expected. The man loves to eat, and doesn't really care too much what is put in front of him. My daughter vacated her bedroom for Mike, one of very few people on the face of the Earth that she actually likes. I'm not presently on that list, since she is 18 and I am ancient. Mike came bearing gifts, (and coffee) as he mentioned. A cribbage board with a John Wayne theme, simply outstanding. I let Mike win a buck from me Friday night, (and he still hasn't paid that debt) then went to town on him Saturday, once we started playing cribbage for cardboard. Got some nice hits off the wantlist once my interest was perked up. Heck, anybody can have money, not everybody has a TV Moose Skowron, among other cards that now reside in my binders. I'll leave it to Mike to describe the torment I went through when the Chinese lady at the door who was selling tickets started screaming like a banshee (in quite vile language) just as I walked through the door to the show. Everyone was looking at me like I did something really really bad. Timing is everything I guess. Mike must have felt like a bit of a pin cushion, as he took a lot of shots while he was here. We have my Dad staying with us while is recuperating from major cancer surgery, and he got in on the act as well. Mike and Dad got along like peas in a pod from the git go, which was a wonderful lift for Dad. I think he is getting tired of living with his low-life son again, as it was some 35 years ago he thought he was finally rid of me. Mike decided to provide dinner Saturday night, and Dad was delighted to join in on the "Dog Pile on Mike" and took some excellent shots at him. Way to go Dad, now I KNOW you are going to be Mike of course came up for "The Big One" (the only semi-decent show in Vancouver) along with the Family Toad and Big Al, except Brian and Al forgot to come, for various limp excuses. Some real bargains to be had on Saturday, and both Mike and I came away happy. The best news (we thought) was that we got to the show before Tiger Dave. The show was good enough that we went back again today, and met up with Tiger Dave, who had a ravenous appetite for cardboard. Mike and I didn't really mind too much being Dave's porters, as he needed his hands free to throw around money at various tables, many of which didn't hurt your eyes to look at. After the show, the required debrief occurred at Pub Med, and Dave invented a trivia game. He put a card on the table, and asked an obscure BB or hockey question, and whoever got the answer got the card. There were five of us there, and I did okay. I tried to get Dave to stick with CFL questions so that Mike would be eliminated from any serious competition, (sort of like cribbage, but that's not much of a challenge) but Dave wanted to play fair. Mike is on his way home to Whidbey Island as we speak. With any luck the anonymous phone call I placed to US Customs will cause him more grief when he tries to cross the border than anything Big Al could ever imagine inflicting on someone, which is considerable. ================= Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 00:51:31 EST To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 95 OBC set / 3 databases! = 7 questions/ attn Howard Date: 3/12/2004 12:26:11 AM Eastern Standard Time From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:25:03 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 95 OBC set / 3 databases! = 7 questions/ attn Howard ================= Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 01:23:16 EST To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Came across this site... ..and thought it might be a good one to nominate OBC into... so I did! We could use a new award, since we are now in Ebay listings! http://www.worldwidewebawards.net/home.html ================= Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:26:14 EST To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Munro Hockey Game Your post brought a smile to my face - I had/have one of those games! (At least I'm pretty sure it was a Munro). It 's still in my parents' attic. I even pulled it down a few years ago but I couldn't find the players; at one point I even mail-ordered more teams. They were metal players which slid onto the posts. I think I ordered the Bruins & Blackhawks, if memory serves. I remember: There were at least 2 different pucks - one with a metal ball bearing, which I loved, and for faster action there was an unweighted one, which would inevitably fly out of the rink. The "face off" thingie was a plastic & aluminum doohickey that was planted into holes on either side of the rink; you'd put the puck in a hole at the top & it would wind it's way to the bottom & drop. Sadly it was pretty fragile & mine broke, & my pre-teenage mind couldn't find a way to fix it. Unfortunately I don't know the year of issue for this game. Wish I could help out on that. I was probably about 8 or 10 when I got mine, which would put my parents' year of purchase at about 1970 or so. If what I had wasn't a Munro, then it sounds just like it (wonder if there were similar games manufactured by different companies?) If not, then pardon the ramble, but I wanted to share my love of that cool table-top hockey game. Thanks for allowing me to reminisce! ================= To: directorth@aol.com,kgoetsch@gdinet.com Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 9:49:46 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Munro Hockey Game check out this query at ebay. i bet you will see it and know what year it is from. http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&SortProperty=MetaEndSort&ht=1&query=Munro+Hockey > From: directorth@aol.com > Date: 2004/03/15 Mon AM 09:26:14 EST > To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Munro Hockey Game > Ken, > Your post brought a smile to my face - I had/have one of those games! (At > least I'm pretty sure it was a Munro). It 's still in my parents' attic. I even > pulled it down a few years ago but I couldn't find the players; at one point > I even mail-ordered more teams. They were metal players which slid onto the > posts. I think I ordered the Bruins & Blackhawks, if memory serves. > I remember: > There were at least 2 different pucks - one with a metal ball bearing, which > I loved, and for faster action there was an unweighted one, which would > inevitably fly out of the rink. > The "face off" thingie was a plastic & aluminum doohickey that was planted > into holes on either side of the rink; you'd put the puck in a hole at the top & > it would wind it's way to the bottom & drop. Sadly it was pretty fragile & > mine broke, & my pre-teenage mind couldn't find a way to fix it. > Unfortunately I don't know the year of issue for this game. Wish I could help > out on that. I was probably about 8 or 10 when I got mine, which would put > my parents' year of purchase at about 1970 or so. > If what I had wasn't a Munro, then it sounds just like it (wonder if there > were similar games manufactured by different companies?) If not, then pardon the > ramble, but I wanted to share my love of that cool table-top hockey game. > Thanks for allowing me to reminisce! > Tom ================= Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:56:24 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Follow-up on my "Big Purchase" Hi, Guys! About a month ago, I sent a couple of ramblings to this listserve concerning buying a big collection. Well, I took the plunge and have spent my free moments in the last month taking inventory. I was going to follow up with some OBCers who expressed interest in some of the star cards in the collection. However, I have lost all my emails from last month (I am blaming one of my daughters who was screwing around with the email one day). If anyone remembers contacting me, please send another email. Mike W ================= Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 17:54:39 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: One eBay lot, plus question about dealer and 1933 Gehrigs http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2794542918&category=636 $5 opening + $2 postage. Includes a '58 Hires, a Post Aaron, Yaz and McCovey '69 Deckles, and some Another seller (b-e-collectibles) has two 33G Gehrigs: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31722&item=2793666436 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31722&item=2793672656 Before I bid, does anyone have experience with this seller? They got 4000+ feedback, but trimmed and worn is sometimes a cover for fakery. Is it worth a risk the size of, say, 5%? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 19:03:13 -0800 From: "Sal Domino" Subject: OBC Chicago Sign up | Order Forms | Online Specials PhotoWorks =09=09 Get Ready to Smile=09 Look at my photos=09 Sal Domino has sent you some photos. Here's the pics from the National in Chicago. Sal Domino sent you these photos using PhotoWorks email sharing system. Enjoy the slide show and then order up to 5 prints for free - you pay only shipping. Then, sign up for a new account and send YOUR photos (and 5 free prints) to YOUR friends too. Give it a try - sign up today If you cannot see the links above, copy and paste the following URL directly into your browser: http://photomail.photoworks.com/sharing/album.asp?Key1~FQQ4aBru.cI1t8bQTD2uWYlD606mRZH7=09 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 01:33:03 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: cool picture I had some film developed today so for those of you wondering what I look like (or if you want to see a cool picture of the Vet) check this out! I was with a friend in the upper deck and we were the only ones in our entire section. Can't wait for the season to start. Oh and I almost forgot...some letters are going out tomorrow as well. ================= To: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:28:21 -0500 From: "Squirrel" Subject: my wantlist as moved, for now. To all- My want list has moved (only temporary) to the following url http://www.thinlizzyfan.com/wantlist.htm I will transfer it to its new, permanent, home in about a week. I bought a new domain name and have to set it up with a host. Thanks in advance. p.s. - I have added a BUNCH of new sets if anyone can help out on these I'd appreciate it VERY much! GOD BLESS this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy www.ThinLizzyFan.com do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! http://www.thinlizzyfan.com/wantlist.htm ================= Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 06:10:35 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: [Fwd: New vintage card resource on the net] I assume this guy hit everyone on the OBC site with this email, but just in case. Pretty comprehensive for all you that are pre-1950 collectors. Wow, 376 sets! I don't think that many are in my SCD. And some familiar names under "Collectors" links, Andy Cook, Dan Austin, Chris Stufflestreet, Andy Baran and under the "Dealers" links. Lynn -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New vintage card resource on the net Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:41:44 -0600 From: Brett Hardeman To: Hello fellow Vintage Card Collector! Just wanted to let you know about the new vintage card website we launched this past weekend: · Hundreds of pre-1950 baseball card sets profiled · Each set contains a summary, front & back images, card size, and a representative value · Reference section includes World Series champs, HOF Inductees and Card · Links to vintage Dealers, Collectors, Auctions, and more! · Direct connect to Ebay Auctions and Web searches · No monthly fees! THIS IS A FREE RESOURCE TOOL FOR EVERYONE TO USE CARDS ARE NOT FOR SALE Lyman and Brett Hardeman Austin, TX ================= Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 02:22:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1960 Leaf Availables Got three orphans from the 1960 Leaf Set, looking for a good home: 34 Griggs 53 Friend 63 Tsitouris Condition: Griggs and Friend have bad corners, and general signs of wear, Tsitouris a crease, but none have any writing or other abuse. Not bad at all. Anybody want to give our orphans a home? ================= Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:50:49 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Anyone interested in joining a Sandbox BB league?? Need two interested players to join a league.. Please email me if you are interested. We do have an entry fee and a payout for 1-3 place... Email me for more details John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:31:52 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Tired of eBay ??? OBC World, I don't know if John Morrison has contacted any of you lately, but he emailed me to say that he is heavy with OLD BASEBALL CARDS right now after a buying For those of you who have dealt with John, you know that he has great deals, cuts OBC members a break and has cards in lower grades for collectors like I simply copied my WL to him in an email, told him how much I could spend and let him go at it. WHAT A GREAT DEAL he sent back !!! I'm not trying to break any ethic about advertising and I'm not getting anyspecial kickback. Many of you have dealt with John before and already knowwhat I'm saying. Some of the newer members of the group may want to look into his offerings. It's very low-pressure. It could be time to pad the dupe box, hit some list that's not seeing much action lately or even finish off a set or two. Drop him an email if you'd like at OLDBBCARDS@aol.com Back to your regularly scheduled ramblings.... OBC Forever, ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:05:31 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Tired of eBay ??? I also have dealt many times with John, and I have been very pleased with the cards he sent, and with his pricing. I was able to knock off several hundred cards from my 50's and 60's sets last year thanks to John. Erik G. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lindholme [mailto:familytoad@harborside.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:32 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tired of eBay ??? OBC World, I don't know if John Morrison has contacted any of you lately, but he emailed me to say that he is heavy with OLD BASEBALL CARDS right now after a buying spree. For those of you who have dealt with John, you know that he has great deals, cuts OBC members a break and has cards in lower grades for collectors like us. I simply copied my WL to him in an email, told him how much I could spend and let him go at it. WHAT A GREAT DEAL he sent back !!! I'm not trying to break any ethic about advertising and I'm not getting any special kickback. Many of you have dealt with John before and already know what I'm saying. Some of the newer members of the group may want to look into his offerings. It's very low-pressure. It could be time to pad the dupe box, hit some list that's not seeing much action lately or even finish off a set or two. Drop him an email if you'd like at OLDBBCARDS@aol.com Back to your regularly scheduled ramblings.... OBC Forever, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:27:05 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Headin' South I'm taking a mini vacation starting tomorrow. Four days of golf in sunny FLA! needless to say I won't be connected, but I'll be back at it Tuesday. Happy Collecting! ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:26:11 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: price help does anyone have a 2003 or4 standard catalog? I need price of 1967 topps who ami? have ruth , mays, mantle, and koufax. thanks kit okamuro ================= Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:01:04 EST To: vct@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Trade reference Hi all, I've been approached by a Nick Foust, who proposed a trade (in general terms, he didn't list the cards he had for me). Has anyone dealt with him before? ================= To: , Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:25:49 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade reference Not Faust, I hope....you might win the pennant but you will pay with your soul OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: vct@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade reference Hi all, I've been approached by a Nick Foust, who proposed a trade (in general terms, he didn't list the cards he had for me). Has anyone dealt with him before? Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:39:37 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Card shops in Orlando? Does anyone know of any good card shops in Orlando? I will be at a conference next weekend at Disney World & might have some free time on Friday or Saturday afternoon. (But I don't want just any Mickey Mouse card joint. So sorry, couldn't resist, forgive me) And since I might have free time - are there are any of you VCT'ers or OBC'ers who live nearby who I might get a chance to meet up with? Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:55:56 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: who am I Kit asked about prices for the 1967 Topps cards "Who Am I?" The SCD 2004 guide has a 44 card set in NrMt at $750, the ball players are Ruth and Koufax at $100,$50 and $30 in NM,Ex and VG. Mantle at $120/60/36 and Mays(the common) at $75/37/22. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:22:33 -0500 From: "Squirrel" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FANTASY BASEBALL -- FREE This will be the last time I bug you guys with this. There are only 3 openings left for the OBC fantasy baseball league on Yahoo! The draft is Saturday morning (automatic), we are playing rotisserie style. We have 17 but would like to fill the last 3 team openings. If interested. League Name -- OBC fantasy league (ID# 208737) Password - detroit this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! http://www.thinlizzyfan.com/wantlist.htm ================= Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:33:49 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: BASEBALL RELATED PICS (3 PTCs) ================= To: "OBC RAMBLINGS" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:31:27 -0600 From: "Suzanne Freegard Schoenrock" Subject: check this set out ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2795269960&rd1 ================= Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:39:33 -0500 To: Erik & Leticia Greenwood From: Mark Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tired of eBay ??? I second that emotion!!! John just sent me a short stack to whittle down the `52 Topps set a bit. It's always a fair deal from John - BE REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * Erik & Leticia Greenwood wrote: > I also have dealt many times with John, and I have been very pleased > with the cards he sent, and with his pricing. I was able to knock off > several hundred cards from my 50's and 60's sets last year thanks to > John.Erik G. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Lindholme [mailto:familytoad@harborside.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 9:32 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tired of eBay ??? > OBC World,I don't know if John Morrison has contacted any of > you lately, but he emailed me to say that he is heavy with > OLD BASEBALL CARDS right now after a buying spree. For those > of you who have dealt with John, you know that he has great > deals, cuts OBC members a break and has cards in lower > grades for collectors like us. I simply copied my WL to him > in an email, told him how much I could spend and let him go > at it. WHAT A GREAT DEAL he sent back !!! I'm not trying to > break any ethic about advertising and I'm not getting any > special kickback. Many of you have dealt with John before > and already know what I'm saying. Some of the newer members > of the group may want to look into his offerings. It's very > low-pressure. It could be time to pad the dupe box, hit some > list that's not seeing much action lately or even finish off > a set or two. Drop him an email if you'd like at > OLDBBCARDS@aol.com Back to your > regularly scheduled ramblings....ThanksOBC Forever,Brian > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:21:51 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: N224 Checklist I don't normally like to do this, but I had been searching for a checklist for Kinney Bros. / Sweet Caporal N224 Military set (the monster 622 card set). I obtained a hard copy of the list, and I am in the process of converting the list to electronic copy. If anyone is interested in the checklist, I would be more than happy to share once I have completed. Just let me know. ================= Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:47:13 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: OBC and Non-OBC thanks I just finished off a trade with non-OBCer Bill Dimmer of Altamont, NY. I just recieved a VERY nice 1978 Burger King Graig Nettles card in the mail today. This is my second trade with Bill, and both have gone very well. If he contacts any of you for a possible trade, I'll give him a high praise. And OBC thanks go out to RICHARD "FUGITIVE" KIMBALL for a small puffy with hits to a post-'80 non-sports set (for the 3rd movie in the Satr Wars trilogy) that covers about half of what I needed to wrap up the first series! Thanks! Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam http://mail.yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:36:22 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Finished a Favorite Set It's always nice to finish off a set. It is especially rewarding when it is a favorite set, and is really, really pleasing when it is finished by thecontribution of a fellow OBCer. The set is the 1974 Broder "PCL Popcorn Cards". These cards are a set of 235 2x3 inch B&W cards based on photographs of PCL players in the 1957 and 1958 seasons. These were the earlier years of my baseball awareness and in Seattle, the PCL ruled! I remember watching many of these players in my youth (I would have been 12 and 13 years old in those two seasons). Just a ton of memories about watching these guys in Sick's Stadium with my brother.The under-12 admission was 25 cents for the bleachers. I got in at the under 12 price through high school, I was always small and young looking - besides, they ticket takers were not exactly picky. Even 25 cents was a lot to me - half of my weekly allowance. So my brotherand I would occasionally sneak into a game. The ball club did not make itdifficult. When we were able to sneak in to the game, we would usually splurge on a 15 cent box of popcorn. Inside of the box would be a 2x3 inch "popcorn card" of one of the Rainiers players. The bleachers would have these pictures scattered around after the game, nobody saved the cards. Whichexplains why these things often go for $15-$25 each on eBay - when they show up, which isn't often. I have about 30 or so in my collection. Anyhow, the last card in the Broder set was furnished by Mark Macrae. The card was that of Roger Bowman. Ironically, Roger's only (playing era) major league card was a 1955 (you guessed it) Bowman! Thanks to Mark Macrae and thanks to anyone who read this far for letting meramble! -Dave Fallen ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:22:01 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: new set added I have added 1970/71 topps basketball to my list. its posted on my page. have same to trade also. lmk if you can help and if you need any. thanks,kit okamuro ================= Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 11:07:01 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Another Fantasy League I've started one also, based on the one someone else in OBC started last year with The Sporting News. Myself and a couple of friends from here joined last year and so I wanted to do it again. Here's the link if anyone else is interested in coming in. We can't play too much, can we :-D This is free also. Have fun, Lynn http://fantasygames.sportingnews.com/baseball/season1/basic/game/division.html ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:25:50 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: white letters mantle and OBC '69 stars lot I came across these two today. item # 2794054950 is a white letters mantle that is not advertised as such. I have a bid in for $65.69, but if you want to outbid me, feel free. If you don't bid and I win this and you want it, I will gladly relinquish it for my cost... I already have one, but I couldn't let this potential steal go by. If you are working on the '69 set, there is a great OBC-type lot with aaron, mays, banks and bench currently at $10. Item # 2794149839. I didn't bid on that one. Good luck kids! ================= Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:57:31 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Ebay scams I got an email requesting that I put my credit card info into an email and then hit the "submit" button to update my Ebay account. Wonder what the odds are that Ebay would encourage people to send their credit card info to an unknown destination vs. scammers "spoofed" Ebay's email address. A nice touch is that the scammers included a reminder never to share your Ebay password with anyone, at the same time they request you send it out with your credit card on the internet purportedly at Ebay's request !! ================= Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 05:46:33 EST To: EHPIII@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scams I received exactly the same message yesterday and I too was suspicious. What worried me, however, is that I have recently changed credit cards and was concerned that maybe there was need for an update. What I did was to ignore the message. I certainly did not want to send out the information via the e-mail form provided. Instead, I trashed their e-mail and went directly to ebay to use their formats to update my account information. This seemed much safer to ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:24:16 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Lynn Miller-Os game Howdy gang This message is for anyone interested in attending an Orioles game with our friend and supplier from far far far away Mr. Lynn Miller. Date: April 7 (WED) Time: 7 PM vs. Boston Place: Beautiful; Oriole Park at Camden Yards; Baltimore, Md. So far the attendees will be Lynn Miller , Ed Schott and Steve Rittenberg as far as I know right now. Please contact me by Tuesday March 30th if you would like to join us. Tickets will be purchased in advance on the 31st I will give you more details at that time. Thanks kids OBC-Baltimore Chapter ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 12:49:23 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: march madness can I get list of teams and owner/ member? thanks kit kit okamuro ================= Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:07:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: Go Muskies!! To all of my OBC Brethern, As I watch my beloved Muskies advance to the sweet 16 for only the 2nd time in their history, I must inform every one that the name is pronounced "Xavier" not "EX-Xavier". The idiot sports casters are driving me nuts with their mispronunciation of my Alma Mater. Remember two syllables, not three. Thanx for letting me rant, For you history buffs, Texas derailed my Muskies the only other time they got this far. Hopefully history does not repeat itself. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 22:38:58 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Go Muskies!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:07:23 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Go Muskies!! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,OBC_V04@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 12:08:05 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: We're booked and ready to go! Maureen and I last night booked our room at the Sahara for the Vegas weekend. We just dealt directly with the hotel itself, although I was left very slightly annoyed by their website. When filling in our address, we were asked to select “Country” from a drop down menu. The choices given were USA, Canada, Mexico, Germany, Australia, Other, and……….England. Obviously, the uneducated putz who designed this form is equating England with Great Britain. Unfortunately – in my experience – this is a typically American thing to do. Believe me, if you want to annoy the hell out of anyone from Scotland, Wales, or Northern Ireland, simply refer to Britain as England. Anyway, now that I’ve vented my rage, I’m happy to say that we are finally all set for our trip. We’ll be arriving in Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and will depart on Wed. May 19th. I’m REALLY looking forward to meeting up with so many OBCers at one time. After reading so many stories about the fabled Vegas weekend over the past 6 years, its going to be great to experience it for myself! I'm already lickin' my chops at the prospect of those ribs! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:44:19 -0500 From: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: re: ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 03:48:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Kelloggs Got a nice lot of '78 Kelloggs from ebay this morning, knocking my want list down to just 4! I've picked up a few other Kelloggs lots lately. I'll try to use the who collects what thingy later, but if you're collecting Kelloggs baseball from 1973 to 1980, drop me a line, I might be able to knock a few holes in those lists! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:26:20 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: My ebay dilemma. I have an ebay dilemma and was wondering what others would do. I won a lot a couple of weeks ago and mailed in payment where I included $2.00 shipping and $1.30 for insurance. I usually only include insurance for lots over The package arrived today with a 60 cent stamp and no insurance. Should a) Do nothing and leave positive feedback. b) Leave neutral feedback c) Ask for my insurance money back (on principle) and leave appropriate feedback depending on his response. d) Do whatever Joshua would do in this situation. :-) e) Do something else. The guy has pretty good feedback (over 3000 +'s and only 6 -'s) so it looks like it may just have been an oversight. Perhaps some of you have dealt with him. His name is Lewis Goldstein from Maynard MA and his ebay name is Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! -Bob R. All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn ================= To: , Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:23:16 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. My initial reaction was C. However, after thinking some more, I would do E. Wait a week and send him an email that the package hasn't arrived. In the email make casual mention of the insurance. If he balks at sending a refund, nail him. If he sends the refund, wait another week and send the $ back, along with the original envelope he sent the card in. Good Luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reed" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 11:26 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. > I have an ebay dilemma and was wondering what others would do. I won a > a couple of weeks ago and mailed in payment where I included $2.00 > and $1.30 for insurance. I usually only include insurance for lots over > $30.00. > The package arrived today with a 60 cent stamp and no insurance. Should > I...... > a) Do nothing and leave positive feedback. > b) Leave neutral feedback > c) Ask for my insurance money back (on principle) and leave appropriate > feedback depending on his response. > d) Do whatever Joshua would do in this situation. :-) > e) Do something else. > The guy has pretty good feedback (over 3000 +'s and only 6 -'s) so it > like it may just have been an oversight. Perhaps some of you have dealt > with him. His name is Lewis Goldstein from Maynard MA and his ebay name > TGBYHN. > Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! -Bob R. > _________________________________________________________________ > All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by > ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:49:43 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of ebay dilemmas > I have an ebay dilemma and was wondering what others would do. I won a lot > a couple of weeks ago and mailed in payment where I included $2.00 shipping > and $1.30 for insurance. I usually only include insurance for lots over > $30.00. Hey Bob, Contact the guy for sure before leaving feedback. As a seller, I'd want to at least make an arrangement for future discount since oversight is a possibility. In that realm, I recently won a lot from a guy who didn't list shipping and added $3.50 for a lot of 5 cards. He's got a bunch of feedback, 98% positive. Reading some of it, I found this gem in the negatives: "Neg: CAVEAT EMPTOR. Buyer mookaduke( 277) Reply by tobeeecat: WHY DO BIDDERS LIKE TO PLAY w/FEEDBACK. WHAT IN THE WORLD DOES THIS MEAN?" Of course, "Caveat Emptor" = "buyer beware." If only all questionable sellers could be so readily marked without them knowing! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:20:23 EST To: obcbobd@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, boreed@hotmail.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. In a message dated 3/23/04 6:25:32 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net writes: My initial reaction was C. However, after thinking some more, I would do E. Wait a week and send him an email that the package hasn't arrived. In the email make casual mention of the insurance. If he balks at sending a refund, nail him. If he sends the refund, wait another week and send the $ back, along with the original envelope he sent the card in. Good Luck! i believe that would be considered mail fraud, since the package, indeed, did ================= To: "'Bob Reed'" , Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:49:06 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. Bob, that is an impressive Feedback record, so the chances are very good that it was an oversight. I would definitely drop him an email pointing out the situation, without suggesting a remedy, and wait to see his reaction. If he accepts responsibility and offers to refund the insurance, fine. If he has other stuff for sale that you like, maybe a counter-suggestion that the next time you buy, shipping and insurance is free. But if his attitude sucks, then blast him. I have an ebay dilemma and was wondering what others would do. I won a a couple of weeks ago and mailed in payment where I included $2.00 and $1.30 for insurance. I usually only include insurance for lots over The package arrived today with a 60 cent stamp and no insurance. Should a) Do nothing and leave positive feedback. b) Leave neutral feedback c) Ask for my insurance money back (on principle) and leave appropriate feedback depending on his response. d) Do whatever Joshua would do in this situation. :-) e) Do something else. The guy has pretty good feedback (over 3000 +'s and only 6 -'s) so it like it may just have been an oversight. Perhaps some of you have dealt with him. His name is Lewis Goldstein from Maynard MA and his ebay name Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks! -Bob R. All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:14:08 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. Ask for your insurance money back...if he refuses, give him neutral feedback. If says okay, leave posistive feedback. If he is beligerent or rude, the post office fraud division can be contacted online now :) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:53:23 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. All this over a buck and a half............ > From: Wite3@aol.com > Date: 2004/03/23 Tue AM 11:14:08 EST > To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. > Bob, > Ask for your insurance money back...if he refuses, give him neutral feedback. > If says okay, leave posistive feedback. If he is beligerent or rude, the post > office fraud division can be contacted online now :) > -Joshua ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:04:24 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. The point is that it is a buck and a half times as many people who he has jipped out of the service over time. Somebody has to say the seller owes him the $$$. The least that should be done is to inquire from the seller the refund, it's certain that it won't be issued if it is not asked for. Who knows, maybe this thing will work itself out - I'm sure we will hear all about it. REGARDS ------------------------ MARK ================= To: "Bob Donaldson" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:32:27 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. Seems slightly dishonest to me Bob. I would not recommend this action as a remedy. You want your own integrity in check when all is said and done. REGARDS ------------------ MARK ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:31:58 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1916 blank backs? Hey all, Of the many varieties of 1916 Sporting News knock-off cards, does anyone know which issue came with a blank back? I picked up a lot for small money, all with the numbers trimmed off and blank backs. Any guesses? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:15:35 -0500 From: "Squirrel" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] new email address Please note new email address and new want list page this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! ================= Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:55:19 -0500 (EST) To: talbot1@comcast.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My ebay dilemma. I agree Mark. This is also about integrity. I think the OBC way is to be accountable. Do what you say your going to do and don't even give the perception of dishonesty. Stick to your guns Bob. We keep what we give away! ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:03:29 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: counterfeit cards can anyone tell me how to spot a fake from real rose rookie? thanks, kit ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:38:04 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Lynn in "Bawlmer" - 4/7 Hey guys Have a small band of OBCers so far "committed" to attending the Os game on 7th April. Will be purchasing tickets in advance on the 29th of March(need to buy sooner than originally planned) Please get back to me asap with a definite Yes by the 28th. Feel free to contact me at work 410 768 4040 x 1112 or here. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 04:41:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: K E double L, oh double Gee.... Hit a few Kelloggs lists tonight, Still got a '73 Fosse (#18) and a '76 Hunter (#5) looking for a good home, my last orphans from those two sets. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:59:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Robert Fitts Subject: postage insurance Hi all As a dealer, I often charge for insurance for small items and then don't actually buy it from the post office. I do this not to save $1 but because you don't have to stand in line if you don't insure it. My time is often worth more than the item being mailed. In 4 years of selling, I've only lost one item that I handled this way and of course I sent out another card at my expense. I believe that the seller owes you nothing. You paid insurance to insure that it comes to you safely and it did. So he ended up making an extra $1. Better that he made another $1 than the post office did. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:25:11 EST To: ochiai@mindspring.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance In a message dated 3/24/04 7:59:20 AM Central Standard Time, ochiai@mindspring.com writes: Hi all As a dealer, I often charge for insurance for small items and then don't actually buy it from the post office. I do this not to save $1 but because you don't have to stand in line if you don't insure it. My time is often worth more than the item being mailed. In 4 years of selling, I've only lost one item that I handled this way and of course I sent out another card at my expense. I believe that the seller owes you nothing. You paid insurance to insure that it comes to you safely and it did. So he ended up making an extra $1. Better that he made another $1 than the post office did. rob: very interesting perspective. the concept of self-insurance is one we all participate in. think about the deductible on your car insurance. the seller said he offered insurance, he may or may not have specified it would be US Postal insurance. if his feedback is that high, i would bet that if you never got the card, he would make good on it. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:18:15 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Subject: THINKING of taking a leave Hey all, I really dont want to write this email but I think I have to. I have been very VERY inactive in obc last few months. Between Personal family Problems, the new house my Job, and the fact that I have no $$$...lol IM thinking of going inactive for a while IM so sorry about this. You guys are all a great bunch. The way you guys came together for me when I almost lost my wife was something that was ....Well words cant describe it. Meeting some of the OBCers was also Fun. Even though I am thinking of taking some time off, I will still hope to keep in touch with you all and still maybe if I have the time visit some shows with you all. Any advise or input guys and gals? Rob Gioia ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:38:36 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:38:09 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance To: ochiai@mindspring.com In a message dated 3/24/04 5:59:20 AM Pacific Standard Time, ochiai@mindspring.com writes: > Hi all > As a dealer, I often charge for insurance for small items and then don't > actually buy it from the post office. I do this not to save $1 but > because you don't have to stand in line if you don't insure it. My time > is often worth more than the item being mailed. In 4 years of selling, > I've only lost one item that I handled this way and of course I sent out > another card at my expense. I believe that the seller owes you > nothing. You paid insurance to insure that it comes to you safely and > it did. So he ended up making an extra $1. Better that he made another > $1 than the post office did. > Rob I disagree...when I pay for postal insurance, then that is what I expect. Whether the card is a 25 cent sticker or a $100 T-213-3. I am paying for the security of knowing that it will be replaced. I honestly think it is rather dishonest to quote insurance and not get it. If you dont want to stand in line, dont offer insurance. If you want to make an extra dollar, raise your initial bid a dollar or charge an extra dollar for shipping/handling. I charge a flat $2.50 fee for shipping (I combine also) when I sell on ebay. That includes postage, a puffy envelope, card holder, and my time. I do not think that unreasonable. I rarely offer insurance (I rarely sell anything more expensive than $25 anyway)...if the buyer asks, I usually do it for another $1.50 which includes the insurance and my time. If some of you recall...I bought a large lot of Phillies on ebay a while back that cost me $10.00 to ship what was supposed to be a 2500 count box of cards. Months went by and it never showed. I had bought insurance and contacted the seller. He said that he would refund my money when the post office paid his claim. Waited another month and told him that he needed to get me the money or I would visit the post office (you all know what that means :-)...he sent me a money order for the bid price but not the shipping refund. When the lot arrived after 2 and half months it was packaged poorly in a grocery back inside a shoebox with no insurance and only book rate postage of $3.30. I was upset. I contacted OBC and took some advice and finally contacted the member. I told him I wanted $6.70 back since he did not do what was agreed on and I would send him the bid price back less the $6.70. He told me to go to hell that he wanted the whole thing back and he would not refund anything. So I sent him the package back (postage due upon reciept). He was not happy since I sent it overnight (something like $15.00 s/h). He refused the package and e-mailed me telling me that it was unaccaptable. I asked again if he would refund my $6.70 and I would send him the bid price back. He finally accepted. Sounds like I am a real pain in the butt when it comes to postage but I think honesty should be used at all times. I get very creative when I am upset and I tend not to let things go when it comes to something that is NOT and honest ================= To: , Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:14:39 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance The expression "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" must have been coined long before Josh came along. Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:27:32 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance In a message dated 3/24/04 11:11:41 AM Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com If some of you recall...I bought a large lot of Phillies on ebay a while back that cost me $10.00 to ship what was supposed to be a 2500 count box of cards. Months went by and it never showed. I had bought insurance and contacted the seller. He said that he would refund my money when the post office paid his claim. Waited another month and told him that he needed to get me the money or I would visit the post office (you all know what that means :-)...he sent me a money order for the bid price but not the shipping refund. When the lot arrived after 2 and half months it was packaged poorly in a grocery back inside a shoebox with no insurance and only book rate postage of $3.30. I was upset. I contacted OBC and took some advice and finally contacted the member. I told him I wanted $6.70 back since he did not do what was agreed on and I would send him the bid price back less the $6.70. He told me to go to hell that he wanted the whole thing back and he would not refund anything. So I sent him the package back (postage due upon receipt). He was not happy since I sent it overnight (something like $15.00 s/h). He refused the package and e-mailed me telling me that it was unacceptable. I asked again if he would refund my $6.70 and I would send him the bid price back. He finally accepted. Sounds like I am a real pain in the butt when it comes to postage but I think honesty should be used at all times. I get very creative when I am upset and I tend not to let things go when it comes to something that is NOT and honest joshua - postal insurance doesn't cover poor packaging by the seller anyway. so even if he insured it, that wouldn't have covered any problems with the items due to packaging. it is possible to insure book rate mail, so the fact that he used book rate wasn't dishonest unless he told you it would be shipped first class. since the package arrived, you wouldn't have collected on the insurance anyway. if it hadn't arrived eventually, he may or may not have refunded your money. we will never know, but if he would have, than the insurance you paid for was honored, whether or not it was purchased from the post office or not. if he wouldn't have, clearly, you have a major gripe. the only questionable thing he did was charge you $10 for $3.30 of postage. but he could say that the other $6.70 was his "premium" for self insuring and for his time. but the reality is, we all pay postage and handling on eBay that is more than the sellers actual cost. even you said that you charge for your time if someone wants insurance. as far as you sending the item back with $15 of postage due charges, some may question that as being somewhat unethical. if i ever have any doubt, i write the seller before i bid and make sure i know the costs and method of shipment prior to the end of the auction. that way, i have it in writing, and if the seller fails to comply, then he cooked his own goose. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:41:40 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance Unethical???? Sorry, but what Josh did was in no way unethical. This seller clearly misrepresented what he did, and made a huge profit on shipping, all at Josh's account. It sounds as if Josh tried reasoning with this guy, but got a disrepectful response back that it was "tough luck". Sending something back postage due was a perfect response to buyers who have no other As far as Ebay, it is clear that Ebay backs sellers and pays no attention to small time buyers like most of us. I have made a few complaints about small lots just on principal, and have had very little reponse from ebay aside from their cookie cutter email response. Most sellers know this, and know they can get away with a ton. I view Josh's response as an ethical way to stick up for the little guy! I may have to try that the next time I have a > In a message dated 3/24/04 11:11:41 AM Central Standard Time, > Wite3@aol.com writes: > If some of you recall...I bought a large lot of Phillies on ebay a while > back that cost me $10.00 to ship what was supposed to be a 2500 count box > of cards. Months went by and it never showed. I had bought insurance and > contacted the seller. He said that he would refund my money when the post > office paid his claim. Waited another month and told him that he needed > to get me the money or I would visit the post office (you all know what > that means :-)...he sent me a money order for the bid price but not the > shipping refund. When the lot arrived after 2 and half months it was > packaged poorly in a grocery back inside a shoebox with no insurance and > only book rate postage of $3.30. I was upset. I contacted OBC and took > some advice and finally contacted the member. I told him I wanted $6.70 > back since he did not do what was agreed on and I would send him the bid > price back less the $6.70. He told me to go to hell that he wanted the > whole thing back and he would not refund anything. So I sent him the > package back (postage due upon receipt). He was not happy since I sent it > overnight (something like $15.00 s/h). He refused the package and > e-mailed me telling me that it was unacceptable. I asked again if he > would refund my $6.70 and I would send him the bid price back. He finally > accepted. > Sounds like I am a real pain in the butt when it comes to postage but I > think honesty should be used at all times. I get very creative when I am > upset and I tend not to let things go when it comes to something that is > NOT and honest mistake. > joshua - postal insurance doesn't cover poor packaging by the seller > anyway. so even if he insured it, that wouldn't have covered any > problems with the items due to packaging. > it is possible to insure book rate mail, so the fact that he used book > rate wasn't dishonest unless he told you it would be shipped first class. > since the package arrived, you wouldn't have collected on the insurance > anyway. if it hadn't arrived eventually, he may or may not have refunded > your money. we will never know, but if he would have, than the insurance > you paid for was honored, whether or not it was purchased from the post > office or not. if he wouldn't have, clearly, you have a major gripe. > the only questionable thing he did was charge you $10 for $3.30 of > postage. but he could say that the other $6.70 was his "premium" for > self insuring and for his time. but the reality is, we all pay postage > and handling on eBay that is more than the sellers actual cost. even you > said that you charge for your time if someone wants insurance. > as far as you sending the item back with $15 of postage due charges, some > may question that as being somewhat unethical. > if i ever have any doubt, i write the seller before i bid and make sure i > know the costs and method of shipment prior to the end of the auction. > that way, i have it in writing, and if the seller fails to comply, then > he cooked his own goose. > gm ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:50:23 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Different Evilbay Dilemma But this one affects me more than just about anyone else in the group. I happen to collect Canadian Football League stuff. Usually there are about 300 or so CFL card listings at any given time. At the moment, there are about 560 listings. Here's what gets me, and I admit I am lost at sea for an explanation. Likely around 50% of these listings are for NFL and U.S. College stuff.cards, jerseys, etc. The items aren't listed in multiple categories. This has been ongoing, and I can't for the life of me figure out why. An Evilbay glitch? Does CFL stand for something else in the U.S. that might confuse someone listing items? Surely there can't be THAT many stupid people who just can't get their goods into the right category. Maybe I'm missing something here. Any theories most welcome...Ease my ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:21:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance I think you a few of you guys are definitely overreacting about the postage. When I bid on items I add the shipping cost as part of the expense of the card. I think we have all bought items on ebay and have paid $3.50 shipping to see something arrive in an $.83 bubble mailer. If I was willing to pay $20 dollars for a card I don't care whether I pay $20 with free shipping or $4 with $16 dollars shipping. A lot of sellers like to raise the shipping cost because they know it will decrease the selling price of their item. Ebay doesn't take a percentage of the shipping cost though. I bought a lot of 1968 game cards (31 of 33 including Mantle, Aaron, Clemente, Rose, Carew, Yaz, Kaline) for around $40ish. It ended around $30 and had $10 shipping. A complete set generally sells on ebay for over $70. Steve Hargan and Tim McCarver are not worth over $30 so I got a pretty sweet deal. I received the package packed relatively poorly (no damage though) in a bubble mailer that cost just over one dollar. Did I leave positive feedback for the crook that stole my $9? Of course I did...I received what I paid for. I don't care how he got it to me, I got the cards at a great price. If you were willing to pay the total amount before you knew what it cost him then what does it matter how he shipped it? Sorry about sending it to only you first Neal ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:35:47 EST To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance In a message dated 3/24/04 9:27:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, Smartalecx > joshua - postal insurance doesn't cover poor packaging by the seller > anyway. so even if he insured it, that wouldn't have covered any problems with the > items due to packaging. > it is possible to insure book rate mail, so the fact that he used book rate > wasn't dishonest unless he told you it would be shipped first class. > since the package arrived, you wouldn't have collected on the insurance > anyway. if it hadn't arrived eventually, he may or may not have refunded your > money. we will never know, but if he would have, than the insurance you paid > for was honored, whether or not it was purchased from the post office or not. > if he wouldn't have, clearly, you have a major gripe. > the only questionable thing he did was charge you $10 for $3.30 of postage. > but he could say that the other $6.70 was his "premium" for self insuring > and for his time. but the reality is, we all pay postage and handling on eBay > that is more than the sellers actual cost. even you said that you charge for > your time if someone wants insurance. > as far as you sending the item back with $15 of postage due charges, some > may question that as being somewhat unethical. > if i ever have any doubt, i write the seller before i bid and make sure i > know the costs and method of shipment prior to the end of the auction. that > way, i have it in writing, and if the seller fails to comply, then he cooked > his own goose. > gm Actually, he said he insured first class it and had a tracking number for it. He did neither. It took several e-mails and weeks for him to refund the money. He thought I would just give up since the bid was only $15. He also sent the package AFTER I contacted him to notify him it had been 3 weeks and it had not arrived. I asked him to track it and then i asked him to give me the number. He always said it was at work and he used his home e-mail and he forgot and he lost it and it was misplaced etc. He also wrote in the description that it would be packaged neatly in a card box. He was dishonest the whole way round. I have no problem paying $10 shipping on a large lot as long as it is mostly used for shipping. The package arrived months later and I had no problem giving his money back but I did have a problem paying for a service I did not ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 12:42:15 -0800 (PST) To: ochiai@mindspring.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance That's a good thing if you can replace the item because the seller will end up getting what he or she bid on, but what if you're selling a hard-to-replace item like a T204? I know you don't sell them, but if I read this correctly, the seller in question wasn't about to make good after pocketing the extra $$. Just a thought. Take care, --- Robert Fitts wrote: > Hi all > As a dealer, I often charge for insurance for small > items and then don't > actually buy it from the post office. I do this not > to save $1 but > because you don't have to stand in line if you don't > insure it. My time > is often worth more than the item being mailed. In > 4 years of selling, > I've only lost one item that I handled this way and > of course I sent out > another card at my expense. I believe that the > seller owes you > nothing. You paid insurance to insure that it comes > to you safely and > it did. So he ended up making an extra $1. Better > that he made another > $1 than the post office did. > Rob I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:14:16 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance I'm loving what you did with the overnight delivery. You sure you aren't a New Yorker at heart? I really don't find it unethical if you find a way to outsmart someone who "done you wrong". Steinbrenner does it every day and he's playing within the rules. When I pay 4 bucks for a hot dog and a bun I expect to get the hot dog AND the bun, whether or not I eat the bread. If I pay for something I expect to get it. I think some are confusing inboarding profit into postage with this. I keep an eye on postage. If it is too high, I don't bid. I'm not a fan of postage gouging (a little extra is ok). The guy obviously jerked Josh around and his payback was just. Sometimes you just have to take a stand and Josh, ya done good! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance Date: 3/24/2004 2:38:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Wite3@aol.com To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent from the Internet (Details) In a message dated 3/24/04 9:2732 AM Pacific Standard Time, Smartalecx > joshua - postal insurance doesn't cover poor packaging by the seller > anyway. so even if he insured it, that wouldn't have covered any problems with the > items due to packaging. > it is possible to insure book rate mail, so the fact that he used book rate > wasn't dishonest unless he told you it would be shipped first class. > since the package arrived, you wouldn't have collected on the insurance > anyway. if it hadn't arrived eventually, he may or may not have refunded your > money. we will never know, but if he would have, than the insurance you paid > for was honored, whether or not it was purchased from the post office or not. > if he wouldn't have, clearly, you have a major gripe. > the only questionable thing he did was charge you $10 for $3.30 of postage. > but he could say that the other $6.70 was his "premium" for self insuring > and for his time. but the reality is, we all pay postage and handling on eBay > that is more than the sellers actual cost. even you said that you charge for > your time if someone wants insurance. > as far as you sending the item back with $15 of postage due charges, some > may question that as being somewhat unethical. > if i ever have any doubt, i write the seller before i bid and make sure i > know the costs and method of shipment prior to the end of the auction. that > way, i have it in writing, and if the seller fails to comply, then he cooked > his own goose. > gm Actually, he said he insured first class it and had a tracking number for it. He did neither. It took several e-mails and weeks for him to refund the money. He thought I would just give up since the bid was only $15. He also sent the package AFTER I contacted him to notify him it had been 3 weeks and it had not arrived. I asked him to track it and then i asked him to give me the number. He always said it was at work and he used his home e-mail and he forgot and he lost it and it was misplaced etc. He also wrote in the description that it would be packaged neatly in a card box. He was dishonest the whole way round. I have no problem paying $10 shipping on a large lot as long as it is mostly used for shipping. The package arrived months later and I had no problem giving his money back but I did have a problem paying for a service I did not Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:43:35 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Brett Domue Subject: New Address Just a quick note to let you know that I've just moved into a new condo. My new mailing address is: Brett Domue 56 Dawn St. Fairfield, CT 06824 All other information remains the same. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:04:32 -0500 To: Chris Stufflestreet , From: Robert Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance thanks for the email. I ALWAYS insure tough to replace items- for my protection. I'm more afraid of dishonest buyers than of dishonest dealers. I've met a lot of buyers who try to rip me off- fake credit cards, "lost"items etc. So I insure and use delivery confirmation on everything over $20 or 30. I also make sure that a buyers knows shipping by regular mail is at their risk. I only don't insure items that I have plenty of and I can afford to replace. As to the second comment, we have to assume that the seller would have replaced the item if it was lost because we have no evidence to the contrary. If it got lost and didn't replace it after promising insurance, then he's a jerk and deserves to be punished. Please remember that the issue here is what would happen if the item was lost, not why did you keep my insurance money. If the seller decides to self insure then he is bearing the risk that the post office doesn't lose it. The $1 kept probably would not covered the lost item. Often dealers, including myself, look as postage as a whole rather than at individual items. For example, I usually charge $5 for priority mail at my risk. Sometimes, I pay insurance and confirmation and it comes to $8 or even $10. Other times, I just send it by priority and take the risks myself and I keep the extra $1.20. Overall, I lose money on shipping (not even counting supplies), but I make some on some orders and lose money on others. That's just an easier way of doing business. And as long as the seller knows that shipping is $5 before he finalizes the order AND he gets the item safely, it's not his business whether I lose or make money on the shipping. Anyway, I'd be happy to give you more incite on the difficulties of being a very small card dealer- by the way I (and most other small card dealers) have lost money every year that I've been in business- but I'm off to Tokyo tomorrow and I won't have email access Chris Stufflestreet wrote: >That's a good thing if you can replace the item >because the seller will end up getting what he or she >bid on, but what if you're selling a hard-to-replace >item like a T204? >I know you don't sell them, but if I read this >correctly, the seller in question wasn't about to make >good after pocketing the extra $$. Just a thought. >Take care, >--- Robert Fitts wrote: >>Hi all >>As a dealer, I often charge for insurance for small >>items and then don't >>actually buy it from the post office. I do this not >>to save $1 but >>because you don't have to stand in line if you don't >>insure it. My time >>is often worth more than the item being mailed. In >>4 years of selling, >>I've only lost one item that I handled this way and >>of course I sent out >>another card at my expense. I believe that the >>seller owes you >>nothing. You paid insurance to insure that it comes >>to you safely and >>it did. So he ended up making an extra $1. Better >>that he made another >>$1 than the post office did. >I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. >http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:28:52 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance as you can see from the attached, joshua responded to me and, after all the material facts were out there, i whole heartedly endorsed his response (not that he needed my permission). ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:09:48 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBC lots on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2796660579&category=60515 Someone needs semi-hi 1952s, right? $5 opening for four cards, $2 shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2796700323&category=60480 17 1952s, all P/F/G. $.99 opening, $3.25 shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2796450202&category=31719 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2796729325 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=2796731657 Three lots of 1913 National Game cards trimmed to the pictures. $.99 opening each. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2796860192&category=60480 52T Spahn, Ashburn, DiMaggio and a few others. $15 opening, $5 shipping. Big day for OBC lots! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:01:00 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage insurance > Did I leave positive feedback for the crook that > stole my $9? Of course I did...I received what I paid for. I don't care how he > got it to me, I got the cards at a great price. If you were willing to pay the > total amount before you knew what it cost him then what does it matter how he > shipped it? I understand the economic concept (total costs involved), but for me the principle is the same as walking into a brick and mortar store and getting something for small money, but dealing with rude staff. Essentially, they're saying, "We have cheap prices, so it doesn't matter that we don't care." Why would I go back? To me, a high shipping cost says the same thing: "I'm overcharging for shipping and don't care that it's a) against eBay policy (but they won't come after me) and b) is an unstated way to make an extra dollar." I don't want to give money to sellers who don't care. However, stating a REASON for the shipping will often make me willing to pay. Maybe you only ship priority mail, or want to cover listing costs, or are paying your 10 year-old kid 50 cents per lot to package them (I've seen it!). When people do this, I can tell that they care, even if I end up sending $3+ for postage on one card. Metaphorically, I want to know that you smiled when I came in the door and made sure that my change was accurate. On eBay, I'm buying something I will never need to survive. To offer my money, I need more than a line like, "'58 TOPS TED WILLIAMS, GREAT CARD OF THE SPLINTER. SOLD AS-IS, BUYER PAYS $6 SHIPPING." Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 21:16:32 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: seeking player help from obc research committee Inspired by Tim Newcomb's research on T207s, I'm working on my own magnum opus on the T213-2 set. The set uses the T206 pictures and was issued from 1914 to 1916. The card captions were updated for team moves and so there are many cards from the AL, NL, Federal Leagues and many, many minor leaguers (formerly major leaguers) included. I'm trying to track down the year of issue of each card. Some of them are easy. For example, there are three versions of Ed Pittsburgh Nat - for whom he played in 1914 Pittsburgh Fed - for whom he played in 1915 Boston Nat - for whom he played in 1916 Others are less obvious, and I'd appreciate any help the OBC research cadre can provide. If and when I finally get all this written up and published somewhere, I'll credit contributors. These are the ones that currently stump me: Joe Kelley - was included in T206 and he has two versions in T213-2, one with a New York caption, and one with a Toronto caption. Joe Kelley, the HOFer quit playing 10 years before this set was issued and I can't find any relationship between him and either the Yankees or Toronto. There was another Joe Kelly (drop the e) who played when this set was issued, but I can't find any relationship between him and either of the two teams either. The second mystery player right now is Tim Jordan. Mr. Jordan last played major league ball in 1910. He is included in the T213-2 set on two minor league cards - Ft Worth, and Toronto. Does anyone know what year(s) he played for either of those two teams? Thanks for any help, and as always if you can hit my T213-2 wantlist, let me T213-2 Coupon (have 134) Bender(trees-Balt,PhilNat;notrees-Balt, PhilNat) Bradley Brown(Chicago) Camnitz(Savannah handshead) Campbell Chance(bat NY) Chapelle (Brooklyn Rshirt) Chase(Chicago-throw) Cobb(port) Collins(Philadephia) Crandall(StLouis Nat) Demmitt(NY) Devore(Chillicothe) Donlin(NY) Doolan(Chicagobat) Doyle(bat) Dunn Fromme Gandil(Cleveland) Herzog(noBshirt) Hofmann Jordan(Toronto) Lajoie(Philadelphia) Magee(Phila) Marquard (Brooklynpitch) Mathewson McQuillan(Phila,Philadelphia) Merkle Meyers(NYfield,Brooklyn field) Mullin(Newark) Murray(Chicago) Oldring(Phila) Paskert(PhilaNat) Reulbach(Brooklyn Fed) Rucker(Brooklyn,Brooklyn Nat) Schaefer(KC Fed,New York) Street(catch) Sweeney(Boston,Richmond) Tinker(Natbaton,Fedbatoff) Warhop(New York,St Louis) Wheat(Brooklyn) Willett(Memphis) Wiltse(Brooklyn-pitch,port) ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:37:05 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: UV Score Cards! ================= Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:45:58 -0500 To: Marshall West From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV Score Cards! Since some people might already be looking in their uv dupes I have a short (very) uv wantlist: 1981 Topps - 13, 46, 84, 124, 169, 182 1982 Topps - 532 (Toby Harrah) I am pretty sure they are all commons, I don't know why they were missing from my "complete" sets ================= To: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 08:38:25 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: george barris wacky cars does any one collect these? or is interested in a few? lmk kit okamuro ================= To: "Rob Gioia" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 17:35:20 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Re: Inactive Hey buddy. I almost never send a personal reply to the group but your message calls for an exception. "Inactive" status in OBC does not mean "I'm not happy with OBC". Inactive status means "accumulating cards and updating my wantlist is a low priority right now." We care about YOU -- not your wantlist. If cards aren't a priority, then go inactive for a while. Come back when that itch needs scratching and when you feel ok about others sending you cards with nothing expected back. In the meantime, keep us posted on what you are up to. Hope to see you at an upcoming show or online. >>Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:18:15 EST >> From: Celenox@aol.com >>Subject: THINKING of taking a leave >>Hey all, >> I really dont want to write this email but I think I have to. I have >>very VERY inactive in obc last few months. Between Personal family >>the new house my Job, and the fact that I have no $$$...lol IM thinking of >>going inactive for a while IM so sorry about this. You guys are all a >>bunch. The way you guys came together for me when I almost lost my wife >>something that was ....Well words cant describe it. Meeting some of the OBCers was >>also Fun. Even though I am thinking of taking some time off, I will still >>to keep in touch with you all and still maybe if I have the time visit >>shows with you all. >>Any advise or input guys and gals? >>Rob Gioia ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 18:09:15 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: My two cents on ebay insurance Though I am quite familar with the concept of "self insurance", I don't know if I've ever seen it advertised in an ebay listing. I've always believed that if I pay for "insurance" then I am paying for a someone to stand in line at the post office and fill out a stupid little form. The only time I've experienced "self-insurance" was when I got a 52 Bowman Willie Mays from Bill Henderson. He sent it to an old address of mine and I never go the card. He gave me a credit towards buying other stuff from him. He told me later that either he could pay $1 each time for insurance and spend extra time on every package, or he could offer a "money back satisfaction if not happy" policy. I absolutely cannot stomach when ebay dealers hike up their fees and charge insurance because its more convenient for them. I write them and tell them "thanks but I don't need Priority Mail and I don't need USPS insurance so I don't want to pay for those services." If they say "too bad", then I move on and spend my money elsewhere. It absolutely is a rip-off if you are told that "shipping" is $10 and then the seller sent a package book rate for $3. I don't care if the bid was only 1 cent and I'd be willing to pay $50 for the item. Its still misrepresenatation on the part of the seller. "Shipping" or "shipping and handling" means that a certain level of service is going to be provided in the contract. I've offered (and once or twice followed through) to send out padded mailers to dealers who insisted on using them to send me cards. I don't want to buy one from them for $1 when I have 500 here. If they whine about the high cost of doing business, that's their problem, not mine. Those of us who are buyers need to get these jerks to spell out their shipping policies ahead of time. Yes, that means I can't do lots of sniping or live bidding at the last minute. But it means I avoid aggravation in the long run. And if a guy won't respond to my email about high shipping charges, then is he really a guy I want to do business with? I'd rather pay more to a guy a like than less to get a card from a jerk. Well, that's probably about $2 worth instead of two cents. ================= Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 02:22:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Cleveland, Ohio OBC get together Sunday March 28 I am visiting the Cleveland area this weekend. John Leroux and Joe Isaac have agreed to hook up with me around 3:00 Sunday. Anyone else in the area available to meet up. I hope to be back for the National in July, but would be nice to spend time with OBCers. I would not be surprised if we will end up watching some NCAA on a big screen at a sports bar with cards present. (Note: this would not be the first time I did that). I do not expect to have E-mail access over the weekend, so please contact John or Joe for details. I should have my cell phone (248) 709-2235 with me. Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:50:04 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] seeking player help from obc research committee HoFer Joe Kelley managed Toronto in 1907 and again from 1909 to 1914, even played a little for that team up to 1910 at age 39. In 1915 & 1916 he was a Yankee scout (how many cards are there of scouts?),not then listed officially as a coach, but some accounts have him remaining in baseball as a coach until 1926. Mysterious Mr. Jordan...I cannot help. OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: typecard@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 6:16 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] seeking player help from obc research committee Inspired by Tim Newcomb's research on T207s, I'm working on my own magnumopus on the T213-2 set. The set uses the T206 pictures and was issued from1914 to 1916. The card captions were updated for team moves and so there are many cards from the AL, NL, Federal Leagues and many, many minor leaguers (formerly major leaguers) included. I'm trying to track down the year of issue of each card. Some of them are easy. For example, there are three versions of Ed Konetchy: Pittsburgh Nat - for whom he played in 1914 Pittsburgh Fed - for whom he played in 1915 Boston Nat - for whom he played in 1916 Others are less obvious, and I'd appreciate any help the OBC research cadre can provide. If and when I finally get all this written up and publishedsomewhere, I'll credit contributors. These are the ones that currently stump me: Joe Kelley - was included in T206 and he has two versions in T213-2, one with a New York caption, and one with a Toronto caption. Joe Kelley, the HOFer quit playing 10 years before this set was issued and I can't find any relationship between him and either the Yankees or Toronto. There was another Joe Kelly (drop the e) who played when this set was issued, but I can't find any relationship between him and either of the two teams either. The second mystery player right now is Tim Jordan. Mr. Jordan last playedmajor league ball in 1910. He is included in the T213-2 set on two minor league cards - Ft Worth, and Toronto. Does anyone know what year(s) he played for either of those two teams? Thanks for any help, and as always if you can hit my T213-2 wantlist, letme T213-2 Coupon (have 134) Bender(trees-Balt,PhilNat;notrees-Balt, PhilNat)Bradley Brown(Chicago) Camnitz(Savannah handshead) Campbell Chance(bat NY)Chapelle (Brooklyn Rshirt) Chase(Chicago-throw) Cobb(port) Collins(Philadephia) Crandall(StLouis Nat) Demmitt(NY) Devore(Chillicothe) Donlin(NY) Doolan(Chicagobat) Doyle(bat) Dunn Fromme Gandil(Cleveland) Herzog(noBshirt) Hofmann Jordan(Toronto) Lajoie(Philadelphia) Magee(Phila) Marquard (Brooklynpitch) Mathewson McQuillan(Phila,Philadelphia) Merkle Meyers(NYfield,Brooklyn field) Mullin(Newark) Murray(Chicago) Oldring(Phila) Paskert(PhilaNat) Reulbach(Brooklyn Fed) Rucker(Brooklyn,Brooklyn Nat) Schaefer(KC Fed,New York) Street(catch) Sweeney(Boston,Richmond) Tinker(Natbaton,Fedbatoff) Warhop(New York,St Louis) Wheat(Brooklyn) Willett(Memphis) Wiltse(Brooklyn-pitch,port) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:11:04 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: need only 6 to finish one off 1974 football, I need #s40,82,93,110,150,176 to close this out. if you can help lmk. I appreciate any help. thanks, kit okamuro ================= Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:15:41 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: Travel Itinerary & Plans Hi All, > Finally have my flights arranged for about the 4th time, I hope! > Anyway here's how I will be traveling: > Depart Manila, Saturday 3 April 10:30PM on Philippines Air Flt PR104 > Arrive San Francisco, Saturday 3 April 7:00PM > Depart San Francisco, Saturday 3 April 10:10PM on US Airways Flt > 6648 > Arrive Washington DC (Dulles), Sunday at 7:01AM > Depart Philadelphia, Tuesday 13 April 4:05PM on US Airways Flt 25 > Arrive San Francisco, Tuesday 13 April 7:16PM > Depart San Francisco, Tuesday 13 April 10:30PM on Philippines > Air Flt PR105 > Arrive Manila, Thursday 15 April 5:45AM > So as far as OBC meetings here are what I plan if someone makes them > happen: > a. Looks as if I will have 3 hours each way in San Fran. Would > love to have a meeting in the airport if anyone wants to come. Just > let me know and I'll look for you. There maybe some non-OBC friends > there also, hope you don't mind. Naturally I will be wearing my OBC > cap the whole way. > b. Sunday, 4 Apr at around 10AM at Steve's still looks OK. > c. Wednesday, 7 Apr - Night Game at Camden Yards between the > O's and Red Sox > d. Will leave DC on Friday April 9 in the afternoon and drive > to my sister's house just outside Philly in Elkins Park. Plan to take > a commuter hop to Boston on Sunday, 11 April early afternoon. Ron > Kingsbury has offered to meet me at the airport and take me to > anyplace the OBC group there wants to meet for a couple of hours. I > also will deliver the OBC hats to Ken. Then Ron will drive me to > Roberta Redpath's house for a surprise visit. Can someone verify if > she will be available late afternoon/early evening depending on when > the OBC meet is over. Then Ron has graciously offered to let me stay > with him that evening and I will take the earliest Monday morning > flight back to Philly. e. I have something important to do > Monday morning I hope. But if there is a way to meet the Philly OBC > contingent late afternoon/early evening on Monday 12 April all in one > place for a couple of hours, it could be possible. Howard, looks like > golf is only possible on Sunday morning early, if my sister can let me > go :-) > Sorry FOOT for not being able to make it there this time. And I'm > still hoping that both or at least one of my sons in the Navy can get > some leave and join me on my trip. Otherwise I will detour on Friday, > 9 April and drive to Norfolk VA to meet them and then drive to my > sister's house early Saturday morning. > An ambitious schedule for sure. But it's important that I see my > family that I haven't seen in a long time, but also to meet as much of > my "extended OBC family" as I can. Definitely Ron Kingsbury is a > must. I do really want to see Rick's family (Roberta, Ian, and > Casey). Rick and I had developed a very close friendship before he > passed away and it's been one of the most difficult things to connect > with Roberta in an appropriate way and I want to do that in person now > that the opportunity has come about. To travel all that way and be > that close and not get there would be not right to me. > And just one other note. No doubt I know about the "flying > cardboard" at these meetings. Unfortunately I can't bring all my > dupes, I'll be limited on my baggage. But if I can get an idea of > whom I will be meeting in any of the arranged meetings, I'll see what > I can pack before-hand. So I hope you won't be disappointed if I come > empty-handed. I will be though :-( > These are just my tentative plans, but would like to be able to do > it if at all possible and hopefully with the understanding of my > immediate family who will lose time with them. > See you all soon, Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 10:46:45 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Travel Plans Hi All, I've been reminded that Sunday, April 11 is Easter. My planned day in the Boston area. This will interfere with a lot of people who historically plan that day with family. Including my own I suppose. But since Howard already told me golf is out on Sunday, at least I can have that time with my family and then still come in the afternoon to Bostonl. I completely understand and wouldn't want anyone to cancel any of their plans or go out of their way. Honestly, it did slip my mind although I did know that it was Easter because it's a huge holiday here in the Philippines. So much in fact, that government offices and businesses completely shut-down for Holy Week. Just wasn't connecting them when I made my plans. But my plans were also made for me by the Secretary of the Navy Retiree Council dates so I don't have any other options since I need to be back here by the 15th coz wifey says I need to be back for my birthday. You all know that what mama says must be One other note. If there is going to be a meeting, it's also the final round of the Masters. Sports Bar with big screen TV?? Or someone's house that has a big TV ;-) Take care, Lynn ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 20:44:57 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: vegas 04 was there a room sign up? I didn't see it if there was kit okamuro ================= Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 06:37:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: srittenberg66@earthlink.net ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:06:21 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus???? I show you had a virus in this email ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 6:37 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:09:50 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: Is something going on? Hey guys, I’ve just received emails with EXE attachments from 4 different OBCers in the past couple of hours. (Steve Rittenberg, Geordie Calvert, Brock Hattox, Dan Cipra). Looks like there’s a virus lurking. Be on your guard! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 09:17:52 -0500 To: "Glenn Codere" , From: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is something going on? Thank goodness for Norton Anti-virus.........it picked up all four of them. At 03:09 PM 3/28/2004 +0100, Glenn Codere wrote: >Hey guys, >I ve just received emails with EXE attachments from 4 different OBCers in >the past couple of hours. (Steve Rittenberg, Geordie Calvert, Brock >Hattox, Dan Cipra). >Looks like there s a virus lurking. Be on your guard! >Glasgow, Scotland >Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > * > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > * > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > * > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the > Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "senthi" , Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 11:05:00 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus???? > HEllo > I show you had a virus in this email > ant It didn't come from me. When some viruses attack, they steal an address book and then send out a message to everyone in that address book. Geordie's message to Announcements and Brock's message to Wantlist [both with no subject] fall into the same category. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 13:00:14 EST To: jefreedman@cox.net, gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is something going on? I have Norton Anti-Virus running continuously on my machine, so the virus should not be coming from me. I think Steve has it right, they are coming from someone's address book. ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:03:13 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: pete rose rc available kit okamuro ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 01:12:22 GMT To: biglittledogs@msn.com From: kimballrw@juno.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] pete rose rc available i need that card The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 22:13:22 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Meeting with Joe and Mike.... Had a great time this afternoon meeting up with Joe Isaac and Mike Rich today in Cleveland. Thankfully as plans change that cell phones are around. Joe and I drove from one suburb to another to catch up with Mike.. After passing out some cards, chatting with Mike and Joe was great, I am always in the learning mode with collecting as I am still new to it, and get amazed that you could buy a 1960 set at one time for $60.00 (correct??).. Yes a Joe said the briefcase of a wantlist is quite impressive in itself...However nothing tops hearing a sincere thanks between Joe and Mike for an offering of help in a time of need before they had ever met. This is what makes OBC the group that it is. I've read the emails, and seen recent acts but to be there is something else. I could have spent more hours with each of them listening and talking.. However I have visitors coming tomorrow and Mike had to get back to Detroit.. Hope to meet them again at Nationals.. John Leroux A trade is just a stamp away Vintage Card Wantlist ================= Date: 29 Mar 2004 13:19:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Guys and Gals, I got this message from Dan Creed, a member of the Glove Collectors memorabilia group, whose meeting I attended a few months ago. I met Dan then and he has some fantastic stuff, really high grade gloves and bats. I'm passing his message along to you, in case anyone might be interested. His email is < d_creed@bellsouth.net >. > John, > Haven't spoken to you in awhile & was wandering if you or someone in your > group would be interested in my Ty Cobb bat? Had a car accident 2 weeks ago > & totaled my car, so I'm trying to put together some money for a new van. > Would love to sell my Cobb bat, Foxx, Ruffing, Hubbell & Schalk gloves > quickly if possible. Let me know if there would be anyone interested. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:16:25 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: eBay seller alert please be aware the KRUKCARDS routinely lies about when cards are shipped, and also charges for insurance that they do not provide. when this happened to me and i confronted them on it, i was told by either a very honest and/or very new employee that it was pretty much standard practice to 1)send out an "order was shipped" email when they receive payment, even if they haven't shipped it, and 2) that if they use regular US mail and not UPS, they do not insure inexpensive (under a couple hundred $) shipments. this, in spite of the fact that the auction states that for any item over $30, you are paying for insured i have informed them that i will be pursuing this matter with both eBay and the US postal service. buyer beware! ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:00:58 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: NCAA Pool Mark this down for bad email management and not being hopeful for my lot of teams but I need to know who had Georgia Tech, and Duke... I owe you each for I had Kansas and Illini. John Leroux ================= To: , , Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:46:32 -0500 From: "Scott 'Squirrel' Earle" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert I myself have delt with these guys face to face. They are located not to far from me and I won a auction and asked to pick it up personally to save on shipping. I got directions went there and they couldn=92t find what I won! It took them over a hour to find it, then I said I wanted to buy a few things that they had listed on their site since I was there and they told me to come back another time because it would take to long to find. I showed him I had cash in hand (over $200.00) and the guy said =91Well, if you wanna buy something you can email me what you want and I can meet you at your house since I drive right past there everyday and I=92ll only charge you =BD the shipping cost=92. WHAT????? I made the 45 minute drive out to their office with my 2 yr old son and get basically nothing. They are a weird operation to say the least. Funny thing happened 3 days later though. I received a knock on my door; it was UPS with a huge box. It was from Kruk cards. They sent me my order over again (it was a case of cards) so I ended up with a FREE case of cards (they were non-sport, only paid $5 for) but it goes to show they have no idea what they are doing. As the old saying goes =91The left hand doesn=92t know what the right hand is doing=92, =91Too many cooks in the this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! From: smartalecx@aol.com [mailto:smartalecx@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:16 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert please be aware the KRUKCARDS routinely lies about when cards are shipped, and also charges for insurance that they do not provide. when this happened to me and i confronted them on it, i was told by either a very honest and/or very new employee that it was pretty much standard practice to 1)send out an "order was shipped" email when they receive payment, even if they haven't shipped it, and 2) that if they use regular US mail and not UPS, they do not insure inexpensive (under a couple hundred $) shipments. this, in spite of the fact that the auction states that for any item over $30, you are paying for insured shipping. i have informed them that i will be pursuing this matter with both eBay and the US postal service. buyer beware! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:02:46 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Now isn't THIS nice? Since we're on the subject of eBay... A couple of months ago, I rambled about some guy from PA who emailed me asking if I'd like to consider buying his lot of Steelers cards. He said he'd go ahead and send me the stuff to look at, and then if I liked it I could send along $2000 (!!!). I wrote back and told him that there must be a typo, because if I were paying for the cards, I'd be looking for something closer to $20. Needless to say, the deal didn't go any farther. I just read an email that was sent to me by somebody. It appears that these cards are being sold on eBay for a low price, so I put in the $20 bid I had initially told the guy I'd be willing to pay and I'll see if I end up with the cards anyway... Here's a link to the auction. The seller also has a bunch of vintage Chuck Bednarik cards from Topps, Bowman and Fleer, all autographed (if you're interested in that kind of stuff...I'm not going to bid, but it's currently less than $20 for the lot). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2797224316&category=653&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%3AIT&rd=1 Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:06:09 -0500 To: Chris Stufflestreet From: Mark Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Non-OBC thanks

    John just sent me a deal on (6) `39 Playball HI numbers for $40.  He contacted me after I won one on eBay, we have dealt before so he sent them right away as well.  I only wish he accepted PayPal, money orders are such a pain.  But that is the price to be paid to get "good deals" at times.  If you haven't dealt with John before he gets my "Thumbs-Up" - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Chris Stufflestreet wrote:

 I don't remember who recommended him, but thanks to
the OBCer who gave John Morrison's email address in
this forum.  I sent an email, we made a deal and I now
have 5 more cards for my 1952 Topps project at a
reasonable price.  Two things that are great about

1. I now have a Browns player (the only team not
represented is the Dodgers...but half of them are in
the Hi #s!).

2. John sent out the cards before my payment arrived.
In fact, we both sent our envelopes on the same
day...it seems that John's dealt with several OBCers
and trusted that I'd send the money simply because I
belong to OBC.  What a stand-up guy.

Thanks again!

BTW...his eBay ID is oldbbcards and his email address
is oldbbcards@aol.com.  I'm quick to point out the bad
sellers, but a seller who treats OBCers like that
deserve a spotlight.

Take care,
I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html
Do you Yahoo!?
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http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= To: , , Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:14:52 -0500 From: "Scott 'Squirrel' Earle" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert I myself have delt with these guys face to face. They are located not to far from me and I won a auction and asked to pick it up personally to save on shipping. I got directions went there and they couldn=92t find what I won! It took them over a hour to find it, then I said I wanted to buy a few things that they had listed on their site since I was there and they told me to come back another time because it would take to long to find. I showed him I had cash in hand (over $200.00) and the guy said =91Well, if you wanna buy something you can email me what you want and I can meet you at your house since I drive right past there everyday and I=92ll only charge you =BD the shipping cost=92. WHAT????? I made the 45 minute drive out to their office with my 2 yr old son and get basically nothing. They are a weird operation to say the least. Funny thing happened 3 days later though. I received a knock on my door; it was UPS with a huge box. It was from Kruk cards. They sent me my order over again (it was a case of cards) so I ended up with a FREE case of cards (they were non-sport, only paid $5 for) but it goes to show they have no idea what they are doing. As the old saying goes =91The left hand doesn=92t know what the right hand is doing=92, =91Too many cooks in the this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! From: smartalecx@aol.com [mailto:smartalecx@aol.com] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 1:16 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert please be aware the KRUKCARDS routinely lies about when cards are shipped, and also charges for insurance that they do not provide. when this happened to me and i confronted them on it, i was told by either a very honest and/or very new employee that it was pretty much standard practice to 1)send out an "order was shipped" email when they receive payment, even if they haven't shipped it, and 2) that if they use regular US mail and not UPS, they do not insure inexpensive (under a couple hundred $) shipments. this, in spite of the fact that the auction states that for any item over $30, you are paying for insured shipping. i have informed them that i will be pursuing this matter with both eBay and the US postal service. buyer beware! Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:12:53 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Another milestone in the Obak quest This weekend brought an end to another journey in my T212 Obak quest - I officially completed the 1909 series. This is the smallest series in number ("only" 76 cards versus 175 each for the other two, excluding variations) but by far the toughest to collect card for card. There are some notable names in the series that do not appear in the other two: Black Sox player Chick Gandil and Duffy Lewis, who was part Boston's "Dream Outfield" with Tris Speaker and Harry Hooper. With the 1909 and 1910 series completed, this leaves me only three cards remaining for the 1911 series. Coming into 2004 I had 10 more Obaks to go (all three series combined) and my goal for the year was to cut that number in half. Well, I've obliterated that goal only three months in. I wish I could obliterate such goals when I play golf :-) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:21:46 -0800 (PST) To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Bob Farrell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert I had a bad experience with these fellas last year. They attempted to charge me 7 bucks shipping for a 20 dollar card even though they advertised to ship the thing for three bucks. I refused to purchase the card. They are now on the avoid list with Verkman. Their loss. smartalecx@aol.com wrote: please be aware the KRUKCARDS routinely lies about when cards are shipped, and also charges for insurance that they do not provide. when this happened to me and i confronted them on it, i was told by either a very honest and/or very new employee that it was pretty much standard practice to 1)send out an "order was shipped" email when they receive payment, even if they haven't shipped it, and 2) that if they use regular US mail and not UPS, they do not insure inexpensive (under a couple hundred $) shipments. this, in spite of the fact that the auction states that for any item over $30, you are paying for insured shipping. i have informed them that i will be pursuing this matter with both eBay and the US postal service. buyer beware! Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 21:34:11 EST To: rrfarrell@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay seller alert In a message dated 3/29/2004 8:22:25 PM Central Standard Time, rrfarrell@yahoo.com writes: I had a bad experience with these fellas last year. They attempted to charge me 7 bucks shipping for a 20 dollar card even though they advertised to ship the thing for three bucks. I refused to purchase the card. They are now on the avoid list with Verkman. Their loss. someone sent me a web address where you can check the negs and neutrals for ebay ers, and every one of them for krukcards is the same thing. slow delivery, over charged for shipping and no insurance. if we, as buyers, were less afraid of a negative feedback and more honest with the feedback we left when sellers screw us, we could avoid dealing with such "scum" before the fact! ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:54:47 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: OBCAC Kickoff OBCers -- I want to thank everyone for voting me in as the Facilitator this year - the campaign was a tough one with plenty of mud-slinging, but I'm a better man for it. Oh wait, I didn't run against anybody...hmmm. Anyway, I'm settled in enough now to get started in my new position. It will be fun as I have left the voting role of OBCAC for the first time in many years. First of all, thanks to Steve for herding the cats last year - he didn't have an easy One thing I want to change this year is to give us a little more visibility and you a little more voice. There is a lot of discussion that goes on behind the scenes that doesn't always make it to the Ramblings board, so I think the impression is that we don't do much. That's true during parts of the year (i.e. summer), but sometimes it's hot and heavy and the only guys that know about it are the seven guys on the AC and the Facilitator. I want to make the AC's actions less transparent, so here's what we are going to try at least for now (Big Caveat to follow!): 1st Day of Month: Report on last month's voting to the group. Also, solicit any discussions on things people would like to see discussed by the OBCAC. This does not guarantee they will be discussed, but it gives us an idea of the issues people believe are relevant. 10th: A Formal Call For Motions to the AC with subsequent seconds and 20th: Finalize motions and I'll form them into a ballot for voting by AC. 25th: Finalize voting and report to OBCAC. Basically the Ramblings Server will get a report from me on the first of each month, however it may generate discussion throughout the first week at Now for the caveat...I will be gone learning to fly a new plane from April 26th to May 22nd. Therefore, the April schedule will be compressed and there will be no May report unless I happen to stay someplace that has internet access. I know that sounds strange, but the Royal Air Force Officer's Mess is a very historic and neat place on the base, but not very modern - generally there is no phone jack and a bathroom down the hall. This is your first chance to throw subjects out to the group for possible discussion by the AC! Have at it and let's have a great year! Your OBCAC is: Ken Morganti, Joshua Levine, Brian Lindholme, Bob Donaldson, Jim Hatch, Doug Smith, and Mike Wierzbicki Cheers, Geno ================= Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:34:21 EST To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Kickoff heres a possible topic for discussion: is OBC interested in writing to eBay dealers who engage in unlawful or unethical practices, throwing the weight of a pretty well known group behind us? perhaps if we made it more clear to these sellers that their practices won't be tolerated, and mention how many members we have (possibly including some of the other well known internet groups), we have a slight chance of correcting some of this behavior. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:15:29 -0500 (EST) To: smartalecx@aol.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: OBCAC Kickoff / Wizard card I second that motion! Good idea Gary! Who sent the pic (or URL) of Ken in the Wizard hat on a baseball card about 3-4 weeks ago? If anyone saved it or knows the URL, I'd like to see it again esp if attached to an email or in a JPEG format so I can put it in my scrapbook. < KeithSummers@webtv.net > With webtv I can't do it with a URL......at least not easily. I may be able to video tape it then save it but I'm not sure. I'd be happy just to locate it again :-) Surely one of you guys saved it or knows who created it. ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:22:29 -0500 From: "Scott 'Squirrel' Earle" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] uv server name? I never received the UV OBC list server on Yahoo upon joining OBC. Can anyone send it to me please ;) this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! ================= Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:24:19 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Travel Itinerary What's the saying, "If it weren't for bad luck, I would have no luck at all?" Seems I say that all the time on the golf course, but this ticket thing is getting ridiculous. As you may have surmised by now, it has changed again. Seems Philippines Airlines confirmed me then unconfirmed me. Only redeeming thing is that it happened before I paid them. Somehow that doesn't ease the discomfort of this all. So here's the new travel plan, for flights. Everything else stays the same. I hope :-) Depart Manila, Saturday 3 April 11:15am, China Airlines CI632 Arrive Taipei, Saturday 3 April 1:15pm, change planes Depart Taipei, Saturday 3 April 4.:40pm, China Airlines CI6 Arrive Los Angeles, Saturday 3 April 12:35pm, change planes Depart Los Angeles, Saturday 3 April 4:15pm, United Air UA200 Arrive Washington DC (Dulles), Saturday 3 April 11:47pm Depart Philadelphia, Tuesday 13 April 6:15pm United Air UA99 Arrive Los Angeles, Tuesday 13 April 9:15pm, change planes Depart Los Angeles, Wednesday 14 April 1:15am, China Airlines CI7 Arrive Taipei, Thursday 15 April 6:00am, change planes Depart Taipei, Thursday 15 April 8:05am, China Airlines CI631 Arrive Manila, Thursday 15 April 10:05am ================= Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 06:38:05 +0800 To: Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Plans Since Sunday the 11th is Easter and my own family has plans, it would probably be better to visit Boston on Monday the 12th, later in the afternoon. Return to Philly very early on Tuesday morning. Now that I'm leaving a little later in the day on Tuesday to return home. Would that work better for everyone else? Let me know, thanks. Lynn ================= Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:52:14 -0800 (PST) To: smartalecx@aol.com, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Kickoff Great idea, Gary, but it might be impractical. These clods usually don't care what they're doing...like a certain former politician's assertion that his borderline unethical practices were OK because there was "no controlling legal authority" over his actions, these clods don't care that they're harming the hobby. The fact that eBay won't go after them because doing so would hurt their bottom line doesn't make it any This tactic has been tried before. The jackass in Hawaii with the eBay ID "libertyforall" -- the one who cuts pictures out of early Reach and Spaulding guides, places them in plastic holders, "grades" them and sells them in eBay's "cards" category under incredibly false pretenses -- was the subject of a few groups' slings and arrows. He simply made all his auctions private and hid behind the protections that eBay gives to its sellers. EBay didn't seem to care that he was attempting to defraud their bidders, either. There was another seller named "Broadway Rick" here in Florida. He had about four separate eBay IDs to help his bidding get up to $$$ levels he was hoping far. That, my friends, is called "shill bidding" and it's a clear violation of eBay rules. MSN.com did a story on this clown and exposed what he was doing. Despite the public black eye to eBay, they asserted that they are an "impartial third party" despite the fact that this cretin was in violation of its own rules. Broadway Rick simply surfaced two weeks later with a new ID and was back in business. Like I said, it's a great idea, but I don't know if it will do any good given the history. Take care, --- smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > heres a possible topic for discussion: > is OBC interested in writing to eBay dealers who > engage in unlawful or > unethical practices, throwing the weight of a pretty > well known group behind us? > perhaps if we made it more clear to these sellers > that their practices won't be > tolerated, and mention how many members we have > (possibly including some of > the other well known internet groups), we have a > slight chance of correcting > some of this behavior. > gm I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:07:41 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: A Short Ramble I was browsing the latest Sports Collectors Digest and saw mention of a couple of OBC'ers. Our members seem to get mentioned with fair regularity in this publication, although it usually is without identification as OBC members. None-the-less, it reflects on what a great group of collectors we associate One letter to the editor mentioned Mark Macae as the only dealer in the free western world who cared about his customers. Well, OK, it wasn't worded EXACTLY that way, but that was the gist of it. Another letter was written to express appreciation for George Vrecheck's article on Jefferson Burdick.I feel compelled to agree with both writers. This week's Collector's Corner in the SCD featured a man of the cloth, Rev.Robert Hyson, senior pastor of the Trinity Evangelical Lutheran Church in Lansdale, Pa. Of course, we have our own sky-pilot -- Father Pat Wattigny.Don't know why this caught my eye, but hey - this is a ramble! Finally, a non-OBC'er with a great attitude is Bill Hickman, chair of SABR's Pictorial History Committee, who sent me a great picture of Leo Taylor, the very last Washington-Born player I needed a picture of. Leo played one game on May 3, 1923. In the game he was a pinch runner in the 8th inning - that was his entire major league career. To finally acquire a copy of a large picture of his is pretty special. Bill sent the picture in true OBC spirit, asking for and expecting nothing in return. He sent it just because I wanted it. I was going to summarize all this with thoughts about the pervasiveness andcompelling nature of the OBC spirit (perhaps integrating it within the framework of comparative religion), but if I did that it would be a lecture and not a ramble. And I quit "professing" a couple of years ago. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:54:07 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Honus/PTCs On April 4th Sunday at 8PM the movie "The Winning Season" debuts. A young man travels back in time to 1909 & meets baseball legend Honus Wagner & his fiancee. Stars Matthew Modine/rated TV PG / 2 hours / TNT at 8PM (VCR Plus code # 562013) & again at 10PM (#918758). Also comes on TNT Wed April 7th at 9PM & 11PM plus April 10th at 12 Noon & the 11th at 9AM plus the 17th at 9AM. All times are east coast & are according to page #254 of April 2004 Comcast's Channel Guide Magazine! Check out these personal trading cards! < http://community.webtv.net/KeithSummers/BaseballRelatedPics > How do you like the 65 Topps mock with the VCT logo? A 55 Bowman/OBC is soon to follow. It's not too late for Rookies who have never had an OBC card of themself (Gary/ Jason/ Brock/ Dan/ Neal) or old timers (Howard /Rick/ Guru/ Tom) to get a 2004 card. $54 gets you 199 cards which will include 1 complete set! Too much? How about 99 for $43 or 49 for $37? But if you go with 49, after deducting 32 for the set, you'll only be left with 17 of yourself so most of us are getting 199 for $54 total which gives you 167 of yourself. We have 32 in OBC signed up & about 8 in VCT. Email me by 4-28 if interested < KeithSummers@webtv.net > We are discussing the design & all here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-2004-PTC ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 02:32:07 -0500 From: "Scott 'Squirrel' Earle" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ryan rc ON EBAY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &category=23837&item=4120528173 Here's a GREAT OPPORTUNITY for someone to get a great deal on a Nolan Ryan rookie, the seller says it's been trimmed so the price is still pretty low for this high dollar card. I don't know the seller but thought I'd pass it this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade! www.SquirrelsCards.com . ================= To: "geno.wagner" , Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 8:33:33 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Kickoff ============================================================ From: "geno.wagner" Date: 2004/03/30 Tue PM 07:54:47 GMT To: CC: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Kickoff Now for the caveat...I will be gone learning to fly a new plane from April 26th to May 22nd. Therefore, the April schedule will be compressed and there will be no May report unless I happen to stay someplace that has internet access. I know that sounds strange, but the Royal Air Force Officer's Mess is a very historic and neat place on the base, but not very modern - generally there is no phone jack and a bathroom down the hall. Yeah, I've heard that those Tiger Moths take a while to get used to..... North of Geno Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:31:04 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: House of Maxwell Certificate of Appreciation Today I received a House of Maxwell Certificate of Appreciation. This is for "a generous contribution of a 1959 Venezuelan Topps Maxwell card". I already have a Certificate of Appreciation from the House of Maxwell. Since I now have two, I am now working on the set, according to Mike Rich. How many are in the set? Is the one I got today an variation? Do they come in green tints? Oops. This one is dated March 27, 2004. Should my question be posted to the UV server? ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:04:14 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: On the DL I will be semi-inactive the next couple of weeks. I'm going in tomorrow for surgery to repair a torn ACL. I don't know how much access I'll have to the computer (It's upstairs, I'll be downstairs) but I'll try to hobble up once in a while. ================= To: "ramblings" , Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:37:50 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] On the DL First Trot, then Nomar, now Todd. Red Sox Nation is feeling the pain. ;~( Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Knowles To: ramblings Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] On the DL I will be semi-inactive the next couple of weeks. I'm going in tomorrow for surgery to repair a torn ACL. I don't know how much access I'll have to the computer (It's upstairs, I'll be downstairs) but I'll try to hobble up once in a while. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:32:17 -0500 From: "Scott 'Squirrel' Earle" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps giants .99 cents BIN http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem &item=4120525610&category=60499 heres a great lot of 1971 Topps Giants (8 of them) with a BUY IT NOW of 99 cents, I really want the Stargell card but not for the price and shipping and I'm not collecting the set, just like the Stargell card this was sent by -- Squirrel -- my tribute to Thin Lizzy do you collect vintage baseball cards? here's my want list, let's trade!