================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:50:33 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Card Shops, card backs, etc A few ramblings to fellow collectors: I stopped at Graf Cards yesterday, one of the few shops with vintage cards in Chicago. Cards everywhere, half-price and 25 cent boxes to look through on the counter, baseball, football, basketball, hockey. Not a graded card in site, the wastebasket has been full for awhile, a few cards are on the floor, "housekeeping" throughout by guys. Co-owner Bob Shaffer hunts out obscure stuff you need from the back room, clutter, random placement of cards, new cards as well, Saturday morning visitors come and go. A phone caller istold that they are not very good at calling people if a card in question shows up, just stop in. No hype, just cards. Great stuff. Found a 1967 Paul Schaal "green bat top" variation for 25 cents and the HalBevan '53 B&W 1950 birthdate variation. Unfortunately Hal had not been stepped on like so many 53 Bowmans and I had to pay the fair price of $15. Added a Thomas Jefferson Topps Look and See "rookie" card, three 1951T Bluebacks at $2 each, and a lot of 1967s with a "B" on the back. Card Backs Since it is Super Bowl Sunday I thought I'd read some of the backs of early1960's Fleer football cards I picked up: Team names: Houston Oilers, Dallas Texans, Boston Patriots, Los Angeles Chargers, New York Titans Colleges: East Texas State, Stephen F. Austin, Ripon, Heidelberg and none (Gene Halfbacks: 5'6", 162lbs, 6'1", 175 lbs End: 6' 195lbs Fullback 6'1, 205lbs Linebacker: 6' 220lbs (Joe Schmidt) Quarterback: 5'11" Writeups, and I quote: Don's a mighty handy man to have around. ...making it look as easy as writing your name. Spent the off season trying to build up his weight which was down to 152lbs. Sam (McCord) was more than a football player; he was a living legend. (One of the true immortals!) He's been clocked at 4.8 seconds for 40 yards. Picked up for the waiver price of $100. (Lipscomb) His gentle, handsome features make it hard to believe he's such a rugged competitor. A brilliant physicist (Frank Ryan) George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 11:07:43 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings , From: Matthew Subject: OBC in RI and Thanks A followup (a "riff," if you will) on Jim's wrap-up of our travels to Warwick, RI for their annual card show. It gave any Boston show a run for its money, especially in OBC attendance. No less than 8 of us, with 4 Bobs. Made us think of the Monty Python Austrailian Philiosophers sketch..."Mind if we just call you Bob to keep it clear?" Made a couple of decent deals at the tables, but the best part was just seeing a high percentage of vintage to look through. And this year, the heating system at Hooters was working, so we didn't have to wear parkas during lunch. I snapped a few pictures along the way, to be posted shortly. Thanks to Bob Farrell for a 67 high number, Jim Hatch for a pair of oversized cards, Bob Donaldson for a 1969 stamp, and Steve Rittenberg for a pair of junk wax card pulls: some guy names "Spikes" and the #5. Let me know if I missed anyone... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 15:03:29 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Ford.....Punt, Pass, and Kick I am looking for some help to determine what year the Ford Motor Company started sponsoring the Punt, Pass, and Kick competition. I have been approached by a guy with a fully autographed Green Bay Packer Macgregor football, from 1961. I have seen stamped sigs on a 1965 Ball but not sure when they started thisprocess and when Ford started the competition. I will see the ball in the next couple of weeks and will determine if its astamped or authentic ball. By the guys description on the phone it seems like a legit ball, not stamped. [But phone calls can be different than the real thing in person......................... Any information you can give would be appreciated. Ken Goetsch ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:20:07 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: 3rd quarter winner Ok, according to my posted rules, the next score wins the 3rd quarter.... Hopefully there will be at least one more after that! ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:14:22 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: first super bowl winner Well, that didn't take long! condolences to Bob Reed who had Pats 3 Panthers 0. He should have been the first winner! check out the current pool at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm go pats! ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 20:20:26 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: 2nd quarter winner Well, I went from wondering how to figure out a second winner if it was scoreless at half time, to having my head spin through several potential winners! Congrats Steve A reminder to the winners, post a want list, or make sure you list on the website is up to date. I have a killer list, so if you can't hit it, please feel free to send any '48-'55 bowman, because I'm going to start those sets. I got about 10 '48 and '49's in a lot I bought and decided that was a good start. Good luck to everyone in the 2nd half....what a dumb Go pats! ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:24:14 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: 3rd quarter winner Mike Rich! I should have waited 30 seconds! ================= To: Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 21:50:21 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: attachments Haven't seen anyone write about this, but there is another one of those crummy viruses going around that dig into your address books and send out fromthere. Someone or more then one OBCer has the virus now because I have gotseveral shots here. SO, Do not open an attachment even if you recognize the sender unless you are expecting the attachment. Also, try not to send outattachments unless you fully explain what you are sending. I know that someone in OBC now has it because this email address is only used with you guys. It is W32 Novarg.A virus. Update your virus protection guys. Greg (yaz) ================= To: , "Greg \(yaz\)" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 19:57:07 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] attachments something that I have done that pretty much guarantees I won't get or resend a virus is set a "message rule" in Outlook Express. I've pretty much told it to automatically place any email with an attachment into my Junk Mail folder, thereby making sure that I won't open an infected email even in a weak moment. Some of you may already be doing the same thing - if not, you might want to think about it. !#$% Patriots. !#$% Vinatieri. Hope you had fun Ken! ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg (yaz) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] attachments Haven't seen anyone write about this, but there is another one of those crummy viruses going around that dig into your address books and send out from there. Someone or more then one OBCer has the virus now because I have got several shots here. SO, Do not open an attachment even if you recognize the sender unless you are expecting the attachment. Also, try not to send out attachments unless you fully explain what you are sending. I know that someone in OBC now has it because this email address is only used with you guys. It is W32 Novarg.A virus. Update your virus protection guys. Greg (yaz) Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 22:43:29 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: 4th winner Terry Dietrick! check out the hits as they roll in at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm Remember to email me when you have something to send, so I can count the hits.... that is the fun part, although that was a pretty good football game :) How many days until pitchers and catchers report? Go Orioles! ================= Date: 2 Feb 2004 09:01:09 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: How much would you be willing to contribute to a project where you get 100 cards of yourself with full color gloss front, 11 line bio on back printed on 100 LB stock? Poll ends Feb 1st! CHOICES AND RESULTS - $15 (.15/card), 1 votes, 7.14% - $20 (.20/card), 2 votes, 14.29% - $23 (.23/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $25 (.25/card), 7 votes, 50.00% - $28 (.28/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $30 (.30/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $33 (.33/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $35 (.35/card), 1 votes, 7.14% - $38 (.38/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $40 (.40/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $42 (.42/card), 1 votes, 7.14% - $45 (.45/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $50 (.50/card), 1 votes, 7.14% - $52 (.52/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $55 (.55/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $58 (.58/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $60 (.60/card), 1 votes, 7.14% - $63 (.63/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $65 (.65/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $68 (.68/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $70 (.70/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $74 (.74/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $77 (.77/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $79 (.79/card), 0 votes, 0.00% - $81 (.81/card), 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - $15 (.15/card) - kgoetsch@gdinet.com - $20 (.20/card) - seventytwop@yahoo.com - cardclctor@aol.com - $23 (.23/card) - $25 (.25/card) - mheilenman@comcast.net - talbot1@comcast.net - tknowles@sofast.net - biglittledogs@msn.com - meyergray@msn.com - ChicoD1@aol.com - friar4@aol.com - $28 (.28/card) - $30 (.30/card) - $33 (.33/card) - $35 (.35/card) - mikesportsfan@aol.com - $38 (.38/card) - $40 (.40/card) - $42 (.42/card) - keithsummers@webtv.net - $45 (.45/card) - $50 (.50/card) - enduroking@cableone.net - $52 (.52/card) - $55 (.55/card) - $58 (.58/card) - $60 (.60/card) - MatShirley@aol.com - $63 (.63/card) - $65 (.65/card) - $68 (.68/card) - $70 (.70/card) - $74 (.74/card) - $77 (.77/card) - $79 (.79/card) - $81 (.81/card) For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 2 Feb 2004 13:30:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Election correction In my election announcement, I stated that there were 8 voting member positions on the OBCAC. That is incorrect; there are 7 voting member positions with one alternate, so you should vote for up to 7 people for voting member and designate an 8th as alternate. I know that Super Bowl Sunday has kept us occupied but let's get the election process rolling. Remember, separate nominations for facilitator and voting member. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:23:32 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Super Bowl Commercials Lots of discussion over the last few days over Super Bowl commercials. I know it's not exactly taking a controversial stand, but I have to say that my favorite of all time was the "Mean Joe Greene" Coke commercial. If you think about it, that commercial really has all the OBC values involved in it. Nostalgia, collectible (jersey), the innocent youth, the athlete as a role model, genorosity, the romance of sport, it's all there. I can remember thinking it would be a classic the first time I saw it, and it still brings a tear to my eye. Olde friar = sentimental old fool. Just thought I would get that all out before the whole concept fades away amidst all of the ridiculous stuff from yesterday. Oh well - the Pats won :-) ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 22:20:15 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Final email from me on the super bowl... for a while :) The winners were, Sean McGowan Steve Rittenberg Mike Rich Terry Dietrick the web site is: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm remember to email me when you send your "losings" :) So I can keep track. Go OBC 17 days for pitchers and catchers! ================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 19:49:32 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Commercials To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 18:23:32 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Commercials Lots of discussion over the last few days over Super Bowl commercials. I know it's not exactly taking a controversial stand, but I have to say that my favorite of all time was the "Mean Joe Greene" Coke commercial. If you think about it, that commercial really has all the OBC values involved in it. Nostalgia, collectible (jersey), the innocent youth, the athlete as a role model, genorosity, the romance of sport, it's all there. I can remember thinking it would be a classic the first time I saw it, and it still brings a tear to my eye. Olde friar = sentimental old fool. Just thought I would get that all out before the whole concept fades away amidst all of the ridiculous stuff from yesterday. Oh well - the Pats won :-) ================= Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 21:03:53 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBC lots on eBay 45 total, mostly 33-35 Goudeys with some other series thrown in. Not a dirt-cheap bargain, but under $5 a card with lots of HOFers. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2783665648 Several 50s cards plus a 1949 sports magazine. Includes 57 Drysdale and Reese. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784172500 Group of Musial glove promo cards (?). Rare and cool, if nothing else. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784374265 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 13:50:51 +0800 To: OBC-ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Thanks to Andy and Temporary email Andy sends a couple of additions to my new birthyear set with a couple of great HOFers, Ralph Kiner and Johnny Mize. It's kind of strange looking at cards as old as you are, espcially when they look so good and you don't :-) Thanks "Mr. Typecard" for a couple of super cards. Just moved into our new house and still unpacking. Took a week to get a phone line. Then discovered thay my ISP's mail server has not been working since about Jan 27. Was pretty strange to turn on my PC after a week and not see any emails. Thought there was some problem with the PC that had me going around in circles for a couple of days until I talked to some friends and found out it's a common problem for all of us. All emails sent to the lynnm@piol.net address have been bounced back. So I don't know if this will go out. If it does and anyone has sent me mail since that time, please use this email address until my regular email address comes back on-line. obclynn15@yahoo.com I can still go to Yahoo Groups on the net and see the server emails, no problem there. Just a pain to do it that way. OBC - The Place To Be! Take care, Lynn ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:27:28 -0500 From: Bob Saxton Subject: creative uses for baseball cards I am compiling a list of creative uses for duplicate baseball cards. There are two categories: A- uses which don't damage the card, for example inserting them in plastic for use as coasters, mouse pads, place mats, etc. B- uses which might tend to lower the grading a bit, for example stirring As some incentive to get the OBC brain cells working, here's a little contest. Send me the your suggestions and the most creative submission will win a the choice of either of these books, Chicken Soup for the Baseball Fan's Soul or Wait Till Next Year by Doris Kearns Goodwin. Contest will end March 1st. Y'all keep smilin' ================= To: Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:50:36 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode trip! One final note on the recent RI show. Bought a raffle ticket for $1 from the local church. First prize was an Oakland min-helmet. Well I got a calltoday from the church, I won second prize. A Joe DiMaggio auto'd baseball. Glad I came in 2nd and not 1st! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Donaldson To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode trip! I echo Jim's comment that it was a great show - and I didn't even but a card at the show. It was great to meet up with some OBCers and have some wings and good conversations. The cardboard was flying. Headed my way were; A 1970 Kellogs Bench from Bob Reed A 76 Hostess and 72 Hi-num from Jim. 4 Nice 67s from Bob A 63 Fleer and 61 Fleer Mel Ott from Brett Domue Steve Rittenburg handed over a 71 Don Baylor/Dusty Baker Rookie, 23 65's and 51 red back, 52 Topps and 2 53 Bowman Colors. Bob Farrell handed me a few 75's - too many to count, but the stack is about 4-5 inches high! A Johnston Cookies, 1939 Playball and 52 Topps from Spike. Speaking of Johnston, after the wings we headed over to Johnston, RI for more card swapping at Bob Farell's. All in all a great pre-Super Bowl day! thanks guys! thanks OBC!!! ================= Date: 3 Feb 2004 22:59:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Election nominations So far, I've received no nominations for the OBCAC. This may be the shortest election in history. In addition, due to travel plans, nominations will be accepted through 3:00 pm PST on Tuesday February 17 (I'll be out of town from the 14th to the 17th). So you've got an extra 2 days to get your nominations in. Come on guys let's get this election rolling. ================= Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 03:40:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: I feel guilty. I'm employed at a manufacturing company in Cincinnati. Everyone there is a U C Bearcat fan. Nine co-workers gave me various point spreads & my Xavier Musketeers. The cross town shoot out is the biggest game in town. It's the Convicts vs the Catholics. My Alma Mater just won again tonite, four out of the last five years. Boy do I feel guilty. HA!! Can't wait to go to work tomorrow. My Muskies are having an off year, but everything is looking fine now. I don't like bragging, but I had to share this one:-) ================= Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 01:19:35 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: New Ebay ID.. Well I don't know who is the keeper of such things, but Ebay made me change my ID... I think this one will be easier for everyone to remember....chicod1 ================= Date: 4 Feb 2004 22:37:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Nominations update So far Bob Donaldson, Jim Hatch and Terry Dietrick have been nominated. No one has been nominated for facilitator. Grant Rainsley has informed me that he does not wish to serve again this ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:48:19 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Subject: This n That Well Gals and Guys: Has been awhile since I rambled so here goes........ First and foremost, many of you may have seen the semi-truck on CNN last Friday that nearly was blown over and off the Deception Pass bridge, which connects Whidbey Island to the rest of the world. By going to this link, you can click to the news story, but especially the pic, which was shot at bridge level and shows you how close to going over, this actually was. This past Sunday my son and I drove over the bridge and checked out the crash site - all the cables and their posts were bent towards the water at a 45 degree angle. The guard rail pipe was bent in 3 places, but the amazing thing was that NONE of the pipe broke - it just stressed. Pretty amazing steel they used in the 1930s......... http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/ The Island Coffee Cribbage tournament held in mid-January at the Greenbank Farm was a huge success. Over 75 people showed up with 68 registered competitors. Each participant played 5 games against 5 different people in the morning, and 5 games against 5 different players in the afternoon. I was hustling coffee and brownies and must have made 25 airpots of coffee the first day. Your coffee guy scored 5th highest overall and went on to the top 16 the next day for the playoffs. I beat my first opponent, but got smoked two straight games against opponent #2,and was out. Dairy Valley BBQ catered the Sunday night meal with ribs, chicken, baked beans, rolls, and divinity salad (jello with cool whip). Many people came up to me and thanked me for doing such a wonderful event, but it sure is easy to set something up that you want to do IN THE FIRST PLACE! Checks and cribbage boards were handed out to the winners, and my co-sponsor and I plan on doing this twice a year. The next one will be in June, same place, same BBQ, more cash, more prizes. Will pass on the info as summer draws near.... Monday was a super day for me as I left the Galaxynet Cafe early and headed to Seattle to watch my son play basketball against Darrington, WA, IN THE KEY ARENA~! They set it up so that high school teams can play each other in the Sonic's arena - then you buy reduced price seats for the Sonic's game that night. I sat courtside during my son's game (only family and school members were present for the game - we had the whole arena to ourselves with the buzzers, horns, and backboard lights all operational! Too cool!). While my son hung out with his pals after his game, I headed off to a nearby Cafe for some food and superb coffee(wheat toast, eggs, Italian sausage, potatoes). Had a great conversation with my waiter(he was wearing a T-shirt that said: "Buy me another drink - You're still Ugly..), about Janet Jackson and the halftime show, among other topics.....then back to the Key Arena to watch the Bulls go down to the Sonics(Sorry Geno...). My son and a friend hung out down by the runway and did high fives with Scottie Pippin and most of the Bulls team - they were in heaven! We also got to sit courtside before the game and watch the teams warm up and shoot. Absolutely outstanding. And getting to watch the Sonics cheerleaders without commercial interruptions was also a fine thing.... Could not work any baseball card shops into my Seattle visit as time was at a premium, but I believe this note has enough 'sports' in it to qualify as an OBC Ramblings. Later Dues and Dudesses. Island Coffee Guy Diowmonte ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:49:45 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Subject: Addendum PS When you hit the link, go to "More Stores" at the bottom, then go to: "Wreck Closes Bridge". Mike Diamanti ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 21:41:26 -0500 From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode trip! OK so it really wasn't a "Rhode" trip for me. I started out early to be close to the highway so I could help anybody who got lost due to my back roaddirections. The mini caravan arrived at the show around 9. Jim, Spike and I started going through the first dealers off grade binder and we were soonjoined by Steve and Bob Reed. Brett, Bob D. and Bob F. showed up throughout the morning and we all managed to bump into each other. I also contacted an OBC applicant Joel Freedman who lives here in R.I. and he introduced himself at the show. He left early saying his budget was shot. If he gets accepted in the group we'll have to show him it's not about the cards. The bellies were rumbling around 2 so we headed off to get some wings. After our fine dining we headed up to Bob Farrells to pass around lists and dupes boxes. Once again it was great getting together with the OBC guys. The show itself was good. The dealers weren't wheeling and dealing as much as I would like but I did manage to few hits to my battles. Getting together with the guys is always the best part of any show. Thanks to everybody for the many hits to my lists. I tried to keep track ofwho passed on what but it all kind of got mixed together by the end of theday. Here's looking forward to RI05. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Donaldson To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode trip! I echo Jim's comment that it was a great show - and I didn't even but a card at the show. It was great to meet up with some OBCers and have some wings and good conversations. The cardboard was flying. Headed my way were; A 1970 Kellogs Bench from Bob Reed A 76 Hostess and 72 Hi-num from Jim. 4 Nice 67s from Bob A 63 Fleer and 61 Fleer Mel Ott from Brett Domue Steve Rittenburg handed over a 71 Don Baylor/Dusty Baker Rookie, 23 65's and 51 red back, 52 Topps and 2 53 Bowman Colors. Bob Farrell handed me a few 75's - too many to count, but the stack is about 4-5 inches high! A Johnston Cookies, 1939 Playball and 52 Topps from Spike. Speaking of Johnston, after the wings we headed over to Johnston, RI for more card swapping at Bob Farell's. All in all a great pre-Super Bowl day! thanks guys! thanks OBC!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 06:19:33 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Gremlins in my cereal! It figures that you get that "last big card" (1972 Kellogg's Reggie) and discover that not only is one missing, but it's arguably a bigger one (#54 Mays). Thus, my 1972K list is still one card: 1972 Kelloggs 54 Mays Anyone have one kicking around? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= To: Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 14:44:32 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: im going to slow down along with my other bs im going to have to take it easy for awhile. im in need of knee and shoulder surgery. its taken a docter to remove that chip onmy shoulder. should be back on track in no time. thanks, kit okamuro ================= To: "obc ramblings" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:45:17 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: Thanks HEllo All, Mike Rich puts me in the hole some great cards as well. 2 70 topps booklets-pinson &gibson, 69 decal knocking it into close range of completion and a hi card in the 72 set with a MVP award Joe Duffy swap a TV dinner with me by sending tigers player king Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 22:35:43 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: 1956 Topps Team cards question I'm trying to get one of each 1956 Team card for my team card collection. I know that there are white backs and gray backs and I know that for 6 teams (#11 Cubs, #72 Phils, #85 Indians, #90 Reds, #95 Braves, #100 Orioles) there is a "centered", "left" and "dated" version. Does this mean that a master set has 6 different Cubs team cards in it? Yikes!! ================= Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 23:30:36 -0500 To: Steve Rittenberg From: Mark Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps Team cards question Hi Steve,

    You almost have it correct for the Team Cards numbered through 180.  There are 5 variations of each; white and gray back variations of "centered" and "left" versions but the "dated" version is only available in white back.  Doesn't it just break your heart?
    I'll tell ya what Steve, they are a challenge to get in any version.  GOOD LUCK!!!! BE WELL!!!!

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Steve Rittenberg wrote:

 I'm trying to get one of each 1956 Team card for my team card collection.  I
know that there are white backs and gray backs and I know that for 6 teams
(#11 Cubs, #72 Phils, #85 Indians, #90 Reds, #95 Braves, #100 Orioles)
is a "centered", "left" and "dated" version.  Does this mean that a master
set has 6 different Cubs team cards in it?  Yikes!! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 06:54:58 -0500 From: Bob Saxton Subject: uv list How do I post availables to the UV list? I tried this link from the most recent directory, but the email just bounced back. To post a message to this group, send email to uvlist@yahoogroups.com Bob Saxton ================= Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:25:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: need 70's hoops Larry Kenon commons for my memphis tigers collection: Larry Kenon 74-75 Larry Kenon 75-76 Larry Kenon 77-78 Larry Kenon 79-80 thanks for any help you can give..mark ================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:12:07 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Odd eBay lot Here's a collection of beat-up cards that includes a 53 Bowman Martin / Rizzuto and a 52T. Not sure if it's worth the $10 + 2 for shipping, but maybe to someone--there are some 50s & 60s stars, as well. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785678880&category=642 And hey! 60s high numbers! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2785821461&category=44821 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 18:38:06 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Technical question I have a database covering my entire collection on a database. It is on the the PC version of ClarisWorks database, an application that I got used to when I was a Mac person. Well, today, after thousands of hours inputing in my data, the file refuses to open, indicating that there is a problem, "sorry for the inconvenience," but then it closes. Any ideas out there about how I can retrieve my data? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:30:05 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Verkman free card Whatever happened to the person who was buying the free N-172 from Steve Jerkman? Did it ever arrive? Did he honor his sales price? I was just curious. ================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 23:23:33 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: tickets on ebay Just thought I would mention that I have had great luck in picking up cheap Cavs tickets on ebay (about $15 a pair, including shipping). Maybe you folks can do similar in your towns. Cavs are actually a pretty hot ticket this year with LeBron. I think that lots of ticket brokers figured to get rich quick - but Cleveland people are pretty tight with their wallets. I 've bought several times, always gotten the tickets in plenty of time, and as advertised. One seller actually threw in an extra set to another game. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 00:17:40 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Verkman free card I "tried" to buy it (and 2 other cards) back on 1/18/04. I received an invoice through email but that's been it. No other emails and, as of now, no cards. I looked today and he still has the card available in is on-line store. I'll have to check my CC statement to see if I was charged. I've never bought anything from Verkman. Does he usually take 3 weeks to mail stuff out? And why is the card still showing up on his website? -Bob R >From: Wite3@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Verkman free card >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:30:05 EST >Whatever happened to the person who was buying the free N-172 from Steve >Jerkman? Did it ever arrive? Did he honor his sales price? I was just Create your own personal Web page with the info you use most, at My MSN. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200364ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 22:22:04 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Thanks Geordie Hi all, I've been an OBCer for almost a year now and and have had the pleasure of only meeting a few...I think only Saint Al since joining...Spike and that "coffee guy" from Whidbey in my pre OBC days...p.s....that should be "dudette", not dudesses!!. Geordie was in the "area" this week but due to me work schedule, it was tough....mid-week visit (I work swing shift)...but he took the time and effort to look me up anywho!! Sorry to say it was only about a 10-15 minute pleasure, due to his/my schedule. Many thanks Geordie and...always "cool" to put a face on the OBC...'nuff said! ================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 01:22:56 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Verkman free card In a message dated 2/6/2004 11:18:56 PM Central Standard Time, boreed@hotmail.com writes: > I've never bought anything from Verkman. Does he usually take 3 weeks to > mail stuff out? And why is the card still showing up on his website? Yeah, he takes forever. You'll never bounce a check on Jerkman and get the cards. He holds the check forever. I bought 2 lots in that auction. I have the invoice but no cards. I've never had a problem with him delivering, he's just slow. Grading is a different story. And customer service ..he has no clue what service is. But he frequently has some great cards ....sooo. I understand the guys who refuse to buy from him, but I still do occasionally. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 07:26:52 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: $2 pre-war on eBay 1909 card with American Beauty back, $2 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2784854605 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 16:21:14 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: Mac's last Wantlist/Tradelist & Ramble Well, after a year of increasing inactivity, it's time for me to move on. I'll be heading to the inactive list officially by the end of the month. I still would like to finish sets off before I pack them away, so I am sending out one last wantlist. Obviously it would be great to finish off the 65 set, which is really close. I'd like to try to finish off others too if possible, so trades are welcome. I'm willing to trade pre-war stuff or cards from incomplete sets to help finish things off. Actually if you see anything on the lists below that you've been searching for (T205 Cobb, 38 G Dimaggio etc) let me know and we can try to work something out. 1950 Bowman (b 1/28/03) Thanks: Lindholme, Spike, Lynn 1 2 3 7 10 16 19 21 22 23 28 29 32 33 34 36 37 39 40 43 44 45 46 48 55 56 62 75 78 79 88 98 114 117 119 120 121 131 137 138 139 141 142 147 149 152 154 157 161 162 165 166 167 168 172 173 176 177 180 182 186 187 188 193 195 197 199 200 203 204 206 207 211 216 217 218 220 224 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 237 238 240 241 242 243 245 246 247 248 252 1952 Topps (b.1/07/00) (Thanks to Moleta,Miller,Lindholme, Chow, Wolpmann, Donaldson,Morgan, Morganti,Beauchemin, Glidden, Hattox, Rittenberg, Cook, Austin, Rainsley, Hankins, Fitak, Kuhn, McGowan Schoenrock, Hair) 79 to go 9 47 48 168 173 188 202 214 216 261 291 297 306 309 311 313-315 318 321 324 327 329 331-335 337 338 342-346 348-352 354 357 358 363-368 370 372-374 376 377 379 381-386 388-390 392 395-407 1953 Topps (b 7/15/01) 1 10 37 43 54 61 66 72-74 80-82 86 87 88 96 104 114 146 147 151 155 162 183 189 207 222 225 226 228-230 242-244 246 249-252 258 260 263 265 266 270 273 276-278 280 1954 Bowman (b. 9/10/02) Thanks Spike, Miller, Donaldson, Gersh, Knowles Paris, EEK, Cerullo, Glidden, Wierzbicki, Big Al, Malson, Rittenberg, 2 6 9 10 12b(557/1296 ab) 15 21 22a 22b 23 25a 25b 26a 26b 28a 28b 31 32 33a 33b 35 (qz answ 33) 38b .963/.963 41 (.968 .960 field avg) 45 47a.970/.953 49 56-58 61b .961 fld avg 62 65 66 67a 67b 67c 69 73 79 80a 80b 81a 81b 82a 82b 83 84 85a .926/.956 field avg 89-91 93b 94a 94b 95-98 99b .978/.974 100-103(144/1192 putouts) 105b qz1904 106 109 100 112-114 116 120-122 124a 124b 127 129 130 132 135-137 138a 138b 139a 139b 140a 140b 140c 141 143 144 145a 145b 149 153a 153b 155 156a 156b 158 159 161 163a 163b 163c 164-165 167 169-171 174b 177 179a 179b 183-185a 185b 187 192 193 196 201-203 207 208 210-212b 216a 216b 217a 217b 224 1955 Bowman (b. 11/08/01) (Trader Doug Smith sends the Mantle!) (THanks to Rainsley,Austin, Hattox, Spike, Thomas,Coker, Hankins, Rich, Atnip, Wierzbicki, Fitak, Thomas, Shirley, Gersh, Sackmann, Iversen, Joe C, Levine, Kimball, Mead, Donaldson, Miller, Kolenda, Cerullo, Big Al, 10 23 25 37 65 66 77 90 102 160 184 218 226 227 229 230 232-235 237-244 246 249 250 252-254 256-260 265-267 270 273-274 279-283 287 288 290 292-294 296 299 300 302-303 306-308 310-316 318-320 1957 Topps b. (12/30/00) 42 to go 10 18 30 34 35 45 53 59 62 80 90 240 270 271 276-278 283 284 286 287 290 292 298 301 302 305 307 311 313 317 321-324 326 331 333 340 343 346 351 1961 Topps (b. 12/14/00) Thanks Geno 40 to go 307 311 371 405 406 408 409 417 425 430 464 471 472 475 480 482 485 495 510 520 523 531 534 537 540 542-544 556 568-570 572 573 575 579-581 583 585 587 1964 Topps (b 1/04/01) 5 190 360 378-380 386 387 400 409 419 423 424 429 433 435 440 442 450 452 460 464 471 473 476 482 486 487 488 489 495 500-503 505 509 511 512 534 547 586 1964 Giants (b 12/20/00) Thanks Kit 3 7 29 30 42 45 47 51 60 1965 Topps (b. 11/05/00) 250 Mays 320 Gibson 330 Ford 378 Estrada 385 Yaz 1966 Topps (b. 8/07/00) 288 300 450 456 505 507 508 515 519 525-526 531-535 542 543 550-552 554 556 558 559 561 563-567 569 576-578 580 582 583 585 586 591 593 595 596 1967 Topps (b.12/15/99) 423 459 460 474 477 490 492 526 536 549 552 553 555 557 558 560 563 570-572 574-576 580 581 583 584 587 593-595 597 598 600 603 604 605 606 609 1970 Topps Story Booklets (Thanks to Okamuro, Biggs) 1970 Topps Scratchoffs b 1/15/03 (white center panel) Thanks: Rich, Farrell, Kimball, Cook, Okamuro Kaline, Marichal, Yaz 1971 Topps Scratchoffs b 1/15/03 (red center panel) Thanks: Kimball, Cook, d'angelo Aaron, Colbert, Hegan, Jones, Kaline, Killebrew, Perez, Powell, Stottlemyre, Yaz 1973 Topps Team Checklists (blue) b 7/25/02 Thanks to Mead, Perry Red Sox, Angels, Tigers, Dodgers, Brewers Yankees, Giants Top 5 most wanted: 1 Red Cross Tobacco Lajoie (Type 1 or 2 I'm not picky) 2 1916 Zeenut Billy Southworth 3 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cut Billy Southworth 4 1938 Goudey Ernie Lombardi 5 1965 Willie Mays Nap Lajoie (ask for list!) Billy Southworth (happily accepting all dupes) T201 (b 3/27/02) Thanks Andy Cook 1 2 4 5 11 14 15 16 18 19 20 21 22 23 25 26 29 30 31 32 33 36 42 44 45 47 48 49 E96 (1/26/03) 1-5 8 9 11-14 16-18 22 23 25-30 T205 (b 9/25/02) Have List!!! Thanks to Cook, Lindholme! Trips! Kimball! Commons Austin, Blackburne, Byrne, Downey, Doyle, Egan, Elberfeld, Fletcher, Ford(dark cap), Gaspar, Graham, Groom, Konetchy, Lord (wtsx), Mattern, JD Miller, Murphy, Oldring, Pelty, Phillippe, Quinn Riche, Schlei, Schulte, Scott, Shean, Sheckard, Stahl, Stanage, Wilson Non-Commons Batch, Bresnahan(closed), Brown, Chance, Cobb, Griffith, Jennings, Marquard, Mathewson, Rowan, Tinker, Wallace(with cap) 1933 Goudey b 2/06/02 Thanks to: Austin, Cook, Hattox x3, Sackmann, Smithx2, 2 vance 8 23 KiKi 35 Simmons 44 Bottomley 49 Frisch 52 53 Ruth 56 Ruffing 60 Hoyt 63 Cronin 64 Grimes 67 73 Haines 74 Rixey 76 84 89 Speaker 92 Gehrig 94 103 Combs 110 Goslin 114 119 Hornsby 125 Terry 127 Ott 138 Pennock 144 Ruth DP 147 Durocher 149 Ruth 158 Berg 160 Gehrig 162 163 164 Waner 165 Sewell 181 Ruth 188 Hornsby 189 Cronin 202 Hartnett 207 Ott 214 215 216 Gomez 217 Crosetti 220 Grove 222 Gehringer 223 Dean 234 Hubble 1935 Goudey b 3/1/03 (first one on card listed) Adams et al, Allen/Wilson, Appling, Benge, Berry, 1.5 Bishop, Bonura, Bottomley, 20Brandt/Ruth, Clark, 1.5Cochrane, Coleman, Crowder, 3Cuyler,3.5 Dickey, Hadley, Lucas 1938 Goudey b 11/11/02 242 243 246 247 248 250 252 253 254 255 257 263 264 266-273 275 277-288 Second Sets 1971 5/5/01 Thanks: Spike, Miller, Pigeon, Farrell, EEK, Wagner, Cook, Schott 386 525 527 530 544 557 563 567 569 573 575 580 582 585 590 596 603 609 637 641 646 648 649 650 654 656 658 665 672 673 683 686 688 692 693 694 700 704 706 709 717 728 743 751 1975 Mini #2 (b.4/11/01) Thanks to Perry, Spike, Kimball, Isaac, Hattox, 4 7 20 46 66 70 89 96 122 126 134 154 160 165 166 168 169 171 174 191 194 198 211 223 234 245 257 265 284 292 293 306 307 312 320 332 346 351 356 371 382 386 388 392 397 405 419 429 439 490 497 530 533 546 593 599 611 614 615 617 618 623 624 631 641 1976 Topps #2 (b.12/10/01) (Thanks to Kimball, Isaac, Schaub, Sweeney) 104 Reds 192 ldr 200 ldr 205 ldr 350 Grove 590 599 Guidry et al 1977 Topps (OBC version 2/22/01) Thanks to Schaub,Kimball Thanks to Griffen, Collins, Isaac, Greenwood, Iversen, Rich, Mandell 6 120 150 228 235 259 320 450 467 505 580 1978 Topps #2 (b 6/26/02) 1 3 4 6 7 36 40 60 100 119 178 203 310 400 530 707 708 Plan your next US getaway to one of the super destinations here. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx ================= Date: 8 Feb 2004 01:00:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: OBCAC nominations update The following people have been nominated to serve on the OBCAC thus far: Ken Morganti Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Bob Donaldson Jim Hatch Terry Dietrick Doug Smith No one has been nominated specifically to serve as the facilitator, which is a separate position. We also need more nominations for the OBCAC itself. Remember, the deadline for nominations is next Tuesday, the 17th. ================= Date: 8 Feb 2004 17:02:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Saturday adventure at Rickwood Field Yesterday I had a real treat as I had been invited to attend a meeting in Birmingham of a glove collectors club. Even though I had informed the person in charge that I did not collect gloves, only antique bats and cards, he said to come on anyway as there would be a lot of bats there. So I loaded the van with a number of old card albums and about 20 of my best bats, plus some bat advertising posters and headed for Birmingham yesterday The meeting was held at old Rickwood Field, the oldest professional ballpark left in the country, built in 1908. It is still used for local high school baseball and a southern league nostalgia game every year (period uniforms, etc.) It's a gorgeous place with the best part being the outfield advertising with all the ads dating to the early 1900's, painted on the outfield fence. There is a friends of Rickwood society which I intend to join that helps with the upkeep of the field. The meeting itself had about 10 different collectors from all over, some as far away as south Florida, displaying their gloves and other stuff. Similar to OBC these guys, in addtion to meeting to sell and trade equipment and memorabilia, also try to pick stuff up for the other members in their travels. It's a very diverse group and boy do they have some stunning memorabilia. Lots of mint condition gloves in the box from the 20's and 30's and some nice bats too (a full size H & B, 40 TC (Ty Cobb) decal bat with about 70% of the decal left; just gorgeous). Several of the people also collect our type of cards and I invited them to go to our website. One guy there is putting together a collection of HOFers, one card each from their playing days. I think someone in our group is doing the same thing. They invited me to come back at some point to talk about the history of baseball cards, something I've taught several times as a non-credit college course, and show examples of my collection. I told them I'd be happy to do so and am really looking forward to that. All in all, the group seems very much like OBC in that the people for the most part are not collecting for profit or investment but just for the sheer enjoyment of collecting. Well, I've rambled on for quite a while so if you've read this far I have a question. I know we have at least one person in OBC who collects Kirby Puckett stuff. If you are such a person, give me an email I may have something for you. ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:17:49 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: 1969 4 in 1s-football Howdy gang Can anyone point me in the direction of an online checklist for this set ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 20:46:22 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: 69 fb 4in1 checklist OBC WORLD, I typed up a quick checklist for this set...based on an old Beckett guide. It might be useful reference. I have also done a 1971 T FB, if anyone needsor wants it. I noticed ( probably due to the fact that the group is not call OFC...) that not many checklists are available for football cards. If anyone wants a specific one, I might have it, or be able to reproduce an e-version without too much trouble. LMK. OBC Forever, ================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 07:44:33 -0500 (EST) To: awainwright@voyager.net, chuckparis@attbi.com, JEdward@aol.com, From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: FOOT-NOTE Get out of the John & Mark your calendar. Chuck any previous plans. Gather your old cards & Art-ifacts. We're having a FOOT Ron-dezvous. So step up to the Mike and say you will be here. Where is here? : House of Maxwell When: March 27 Noon - ?? What: Red Wings vs Avalanche Who: FOOT members FOF (Friends of FOOT) OBC members Hope to see you at the Second Annual House of Maxwell card swapping, food eating, beverage drinking, b s ing, Avalanche butt kicking session. (anyone requiring directions and or overnight accommodations LMK) We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 9 Feb 2004 23:47:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Nominations update: Feb. 9 The following people have been nominated to serve on the OBCAC thus far: Ken Morganti Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Bob Donaldson Jim Hatch Terry Dietrick Doug Smith Brock Hattox Geno Wagner is the only nominee so far for facilitator. Several more people have declined to run: Lynn Miller Jeff Sackmann Steve Rittenberg Kent Goto is on the inactive list Howard Morgan and George Moore have been nominated but I've not received confirmation that they will run. Please!! Do not make nominations without clearing it first with the person. I don't want to wind up sending out a ballot with people on it who will then withdraw. That likely would create problems for people who have already voted. Keep 'em coming. ================= Date: 10 Feb 2004 00:32:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Need help with a bat I recently acquired an old bat with what appears to be a heavy, heavy coat of old pine tar on the handle and barrel. Any suggestions as to how to remove it without damaging the nice patina of the bat? ================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 21:20:49 EST To: Originaleek@webtv.net, awainwright@voyager.net, chuckparis@attbi.com, From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT-NOTE Sorry all. It sounds like a blast but I have a Bat Mitzvah to attend in Cleveland that weekend. Wish I could make it. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 19:08:20 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Road trip! I will be taking the I-95 trip noth next month. On Thursday, March 4th I'll be traveling north to New Jersey for a bar mitzvah. I'm figuring that late afternoon/evening (dinnertime), we'll be passing through Northern Virginia and would like to see if I can set up a meeting with an OBCer or two if possible. I'll give me a great excuse to stretch my legs and stop for dinner. Let me know if you'd like to set something up. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:11:00 EST To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Mac's Address Mac Wubben just sent out his wantlist so we could have a last shot at it before he goes inactive. His address in the directory, however, is out of date. Here's Mac's new address: 4205 Jenifer St NW Washington DC 20015 Let's give him a good sendoff. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 04:20:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: card so bad, I don't want it (ebay) I have seen some nasty cards before but this one is in the hall of http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ================= To: , Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:27:42 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] card so bad, I don't want it (ebay) I do -- what a great card! Thanks for the info! John Scott Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: "alcattle" To: Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 8:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] card so bad, I don't want it (ebay) > I have seen some nasty cards before but this one is in the hall of > shame. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=2785380441&category=642 > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:38:03 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Fwd: Emailing: sickofwinter[1] From: "Donald Ferguson" To: "Chris" , Subject: Emailing: sickofwinter[1] Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 21:20:20 -0500 Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. ================= Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 19:33:55 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: One series down and two to go! Yesterday was one of the days I thought at times over the years may never come: I finished one of the Obak series! I received the last remaining card needed to complete my 1910 series of T212 Obaks! I'm still on the lookout for those pesky "150 subjects" back variations, but I call my base set complete with the 175 cards I have. I'm now on the lookout for the last four needed to complete the whole set: one for my 1909 series and three for my 1911 series. I might actually have to increase my budget for those ;-) Happy Collecting! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 9:24:42 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: [Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] This is something I never knew...] Hmmmm.....Here's a question for our experts out there. Was Cunningham still considered to be a pinch hitter on his second AB in the inning? ============================================================ From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Date: 2004/02/11 Wed AM 12:24:03 GMT To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Thanks] This is something I never knew... Joe Cunningham once made two hits in one inning as a pinch hitter. I can't imagine there have been too many players that have done that! I now have this knowledge because Al Crotte sent me Joe's 1960 Topps card...and SCP! Thanks for the cool card Al...and making me realize that we DO learn something every Happy Collecting! ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:31:09 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] [Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] This is something I never knew...] That same question was asked by Steve Hollingsworth of Minneapolis, Minnesota in the Fans Speak Out section of the September 2000 issue of Baseball Digest. I'm sure you have a copy of it. STEVE ASKS: A pinch-hitter can get two hits in one inning, but are both pinch hits? In his first at-bat, the pinch-hitter is replacing someone in the lineup, but in his second at-bat, he is part of the order and not hitting for someone else. I say a pinch-hitter can get two hits in one inning, but only the first is truly a pinch hit. What do you say? BASEBALL DIGEST SAYS: We disagree. If a pinch-hitter comes up twice in the same inning, he's still a pinch-hitter. How else would you list him in a box-score unless the manager sends him out to play a position on the field after the inning is over? A pinch-pinch-hitter? I wasn't able to find any "official" definition of pinch hitter by Major League Baseball so I hope this helps. -Bob R. >From: Glenn >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] [Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] This is something I never >Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 9:24:42 +0000 >Hmmmm.....Here's a question for our experts out there. >Was Cunningham still considered to be a pinch hitter on his second AB in >the inning? >============================================================ >From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com >Date: 2004/02/11 Wed AM 12:24:03 GMT >To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Thanks] This is something I never knew... >Joe Cunningham once made two hits in one inning as a pinch hitter. I can't >imagine there have been too many players that have done that! I now have >knowledge because Al Crotte sent me Joe's 1960 Topps card...and SCP! >for the cool card Al...and making me realize that we DO learn something >Happy Collecting! >============================================================ >Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:32:54 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: College World Series tickets An old friend from Cleveland and his wife want Debbie and I to join them in going to the College World Series in June. He called the ticket office and was told that they no longer sell "season tickets". Debbie and I would like to go for the entire series, but my friend and his wife will probably only go for the final 3 or 4 days. Has anyone ever gone to the CWS? What is your advice about buying tickets? Are there face value tickets on the street as teams get eliminated and their fans go home? Thanks for any advice, ================= Date: 12 Feb 2004 00:16:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Bats, anyone? I've got several store bats I'd like to move out. One I picked up this weekend for the purpose of finding a home for it. The bats up for grabs are: 1) a very nice 33" Hillerich & Bradsby 125, model 110, Kirby Puckett bat 2) a 32" Hillerich & Bradsby 125, Henry Aaron model, probably from the late 60's. Lots of honest wear but no chips or wood damage. All foil stamping easily readible 3) a 31" Hillerich & Bradsby 125, Harmon Killebrew model, from the late 60's. No chipping or wood damage but stamping is very light. Name takes some effort to see name. 4) a Hanna softball bat from the 40's. Very nice condition with strong center stamping and a partial decal. Got this one a while back and just want to move it. Preference given to those who collect a special player but otherwise FCFS. ================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:41:36 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Available It's called a "Trade List," but ignore that. Please feel free to claim what you need, especially you guys I owe. That includes just about everybody. PLEASE - DON'T BE SHY!!!!!! THAT MEANS YOU TOO NEW GUYS! http://www.cardcomplex.com/user_pages/friar41/trade_list.php ================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 21:27:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Vegas Info.. Can someone respond quickly to when V'04 is going to be held ?? John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:38:51 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Doug Smith/Chuck Paris Trader Doug sends me a birthday card on Feb 11th, a 79 Ozzie Rookie :-) Thanks Doug! Happy Birthday #60 to Ollie Brown too :-) Chuck Paris hits me with 3 cards from the late 50s! Thanks Chuck :-) ================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:42:11 -0500 To: friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Mark Talbot Subject: No Dentist Left Behind Hello All, The following is not a baseball ramble, but there are enough educators out there that I thought I would forward this on to the group for some "sarcastic levity". If you are not interested in the "No Child Left Behind" legislation that we educators have been dealing with now for a few years then simply delete this. But for all others I felt you might be interested in this piece that was forwarded to me. REGARDS --------------- MARK Subject: No Dentist Left Behind Act No Dentist Left Behind Act Maybe this will help non-educators get the picture. If you don't understand why educators resent the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, this may help. If you do understand, you'll enjoy this analogy. It's currently being sent round the email circuits; it was written by John S. Taylor, Superintendent of schools for the Lancaster County, PA School District. (Be a friend to a teacher and pass this on.) The Best Dentist---"Absolutely" the Best Dentist My dentist is great! He sends me reminders so I don't forget checkups. He uses the latest techniques based on research. He never hurts me, and I've got all my teeth, so when I ran into him the other day, I was eager to see if he'd heard about the new state program. I knew he'd think it was great. "Did you hear about the new state program to measure effectiveness of dentists with their young patients?" I said. "No," he said. He didn't seem too thrilled. "How will they do that?" "It's quite simple," I said. "They will just count the number of cavities each patient has at age 10, 14, and 18 and average that to determine a dentist's rating. Dentists will be rated as Excellent, Good, average, Below Average, and Unsatisfactory. That way parents will know which are the best dentists. It will also encourage the less effective dentists to get better. Poor dentists who don't improve could lose their licenses to practice." "That's terrible," he said. "What? That's not a good attitude," I said. "Don't you think we should try to improve children's dental health in this state?" "Sure I do," he said, "but that's not a fair way to determine who is practicing good dentistry." "Why not?" I said. "It makes perfect sense to me." "Well, it's so obvious," he said. "Don't you see that dentists don't all work with the same clientele; so much depends on things we can't control. For example, I work in a rural area with a high percentage of patients from deprived homes, while some of my colleagues work in upper middle class neighborhoods. Many of the parents I work with don't bring their children to see me until there is some kind of problem; I don't get to do much preventive work." Also," he said, "many of the parents I serve let their kids eat way too much candy from an early age, unlike more educated parents who understand the relationship between sugar and decay. To top it all off," he added, "so many of my clients have well water which is untreated and has no fluoride in it. Do you have any idea how much difference early use of fluoride can make?" "It sounds like you're making excuses," I said. I couldn't believe my dentist would be so defensive. He does a great "I am not!" he said. "My best patients are as good as anyone's, my work is as good as anyone's, but my average cavity count is going to be higher than a lot of other dentists because I chose to work where I am needed most." "Don't' get touchy," I said. "Touchy?" he said. His face had turned red and from the way he was clenching and unclenching his jaws, I was afraid he was going to damage his teeth. "Try furious. In a system like this, I will end up being rated average, below average, or worse. My more educated patients who see these ratings may believe this so-called rating actually is a measure of my ability and proficiency as a dentist. They may leave me, and I'll be left with only the most needy patients. And my cavity average score will get even worse. On top of that, how will I attract good dental hygienists and other excellent dentists to my practice if it is labeled below average?" "I think you are overreacting," I said. "'Complaining, excuse making and stonewalling won't improve dental health'...I am quoting from a leading member of the DOC," I noted. "What's the DOC?" he asked. "It's the Dental Oversight Committee," I said, "a group made up of mostly lay persons to make sure dentistry in this state gets improved." "Spare me," he said, "I can't believe this. Reasonable people won't buy it, "he said hopefully. The program sounded reasonable to me, so I asked, "How else would you measure good dentistry?" "Come watch me work," he said. "Observe my processes." "That's too complicated and time consuming," I said. "Cavities are the bottom line, and you can't argue with the bottom line. It's an absolute "That's what I'm afraid my parents and prospective patients will think. This can't be happening," he said despairingly. "Now, now," I said, "don't despair. The state will help you some." "How?" he said. "If you're rated poorly, they'll send a dentist who is rated excellent to help straighten you out," I said brightly. "You mean," he said, "they'll send a dentist with a wealthy clientele to show me how to work on severe juvenile dental problems with which I have probably had much more experience? Big help." "There you go again," I said. "You aren't acting professionally at all." "You don't get it," he said. "Doing this would be like grading schools and teachers on an average score on a test of children's progress without regard to influences outside the school, the home, the community served and stuff like that. Why would they do something so unfair to dentists? No one would ever think of doing that to schools." I just shook my head sadly, but he had brightened. "I'm going to write my representatives and senator," he said. "I'll use the school analogy- surely they will see the point." He walked off with that look of hope mixed with fear and suppressed anger that I see in the mirror so often lately. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:31:20 EST To: talbot1@comcast.net, Friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Dentist Left Behind As a first grade teacher, I love this analogy...NCLB is a horrific idea especially for me. I teach a resource 1st grade class meaning about 2/3 of my class has some sort of learning disability, at risk, or in speech & language. My test scores are consistently lower than the other 14 1st grades in my district. Does that mean I am a bad teacher...nope...there are so many factors that affect learning that to test a student academically and rate the teacher that way is just plain bizarre....of course that is not the worst part. They are now telling teachers that they have to pass a new series of tests to test knowledge, practices, and theories. Like my 4 year degree, 2 years of grad school, and a year of student teaching was not enough...not to mention 6 years in a classroom, 2 as an itinerant art teacher, and 18 overall years of working with children has not given me some insight into teaching...but wait...full day kindergarten is right around the corner...that's right take away all the fun of being a kid...most kids in kinder and 1st learn best by socializing and playing and just being kids...i can teach a kid to read by letting them explore books with friends better than sticking them in a seat for 8 hours at a time...anyway...enough of my tirade about teaching...thanks for sending the analogy...time to get some sleep... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:11:33 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Website error? Is anybody else getting the following message when accessing the website or is it just me?: Service Unavailable The proxy is currently unable to handle the request due to a (possibly) temporary error. Extended error information is: Failed to forward the request to the web server at www.oldbaseball.com:80. This may be due to a firewall configuration error or a DNS failure. If this situation persists, please contact your firewall administrator. -Bob R. Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:23:22 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Website error? Never mind. It's working now! >From: "Bob Reed" >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Website error? >Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:11:33 -0500 >Is anybody else getting the following message when accessing the website or >is it just me?: >Service Unavailable >The proxy is currently unable to handle the request due to a (possibly) >temporary error. Extended error information is: >Failed to forward the request to the web server at www.oldbaseball.com:80. >This may be due to a firewall configuration error or a DNS failure. >If this situation persists, please contact your firewall administrator. >-Bob R. >Let the advanced features & services of MSN Internet Software maximize your >online time. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200363ave/direct/01/ Click here for a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= Date: 12 Feb 2004 20:10:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Nominations update The following people have been nominated to serve on the OBCAC thus far: Ken Morganti Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Bob Donaldson Jim Hatch Terry Dietrick Doug Smith Brock Hattox Geno Wagner is the only nominee so far for facilitator. So far we have a bare bones slate of candidates. Please consider nominating others to serve for both voting member and facilitator positions. If you are nominated please strongly consider accepting. We need sound leadership to keep OBC strong and cohesive. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 16:38:50 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Looking for Advice on a Big Purchase Hi, Guys! I am looking for some advice on what, for me, could be a big purchase. A card dealer that I see every few months at shows contacted me because he knows that I collect (and am in a trading group that collects) off-grade cards. He offered me a 1600-count box for $400. He said that most of the box is pre-1970 in VG condition or less. He put about 225 stars and semi-stars in card savers; the rest are commons. It sounds like a reasonable price, but I am willing to dicker to see if he is willing to come down on the price. My quandry is this. I likely need only a small number of the cards for my sets. I could probably use several dozen more as upgrades. There are some star cards (e.g., the Yount and Molitor RCs, the Mays and Clemente cards) that I already have but would happily add to my collection. However, that still leaves most of the cards as duplicates. I am happy to buy doubles to send out to the group--I do so regularly. However, this would be a big purchase for me and I frankly cannot afford to spend this much on duplicates to give away. If I buy the box, I will likely have to start selling cards or trading rather than just sending cards to anyone who needs them--neither of which I am comfortable doing. Any suggestions from OBCers who buy and sell collections? Does the asking price of $400 sound reasonable? If anyone might be interested in splitting the box, let me know. I would like to get back to the dealer in the next week. Thanks for listening and for your suggestions. Mike W P.S. The following is the dealer's email description of the contents. ONE 1600 COUNT BOX OF STARS,SEMI'S,COMMONS ETC,MOSTLY OLD STUFF! [over the phone, the guy told me that most are pre-1970] THEN ABOUT 225 STARS IN CARD SAVERS! HERES A NICE LIST 63 MUSIAL #250 SYMBOL OF COURAGE CAMPANELLA #550-58 OR 59 72 RYAN #595 58 MUSIAL #476 65 KOUFAX #300 62 FORD #310 61 MARIS #2 62 ROBINSON #350 61 MCCOVEY#517 62 MAYS #300 60 MAYS #200 59 CLEMENTE#478 59 MAYS#50 69 AARON #100 67 MAYS #200 63 LEADERS #3 67 PALMER #475 61 MARIS #478 63 MARIS #120 61 HR LEADERS #44 67 CLEMENTE#400 67 FORD #5 65 ROSE #207 71 AARON #400 65 YAZ#385 68 CLEMENTE#150 66 CLEMENTE#300 68 CLEMENTE #150 AGAIN 78 MOLITOR ROOKIE #707 2-1974 AARON #1'S 74 WINFIELD #456 75 BRETT #228 71 ROSE #100 67 BROCK #285 67 KALINE #30 66 YAZ #70 75 AARON #660 78 MOLITOR #707 AGAIN! 61 FLEER GEHRIG#31 71 MAYS #600 74 AARON #1 AGAIN 57 MARTIN #62 69 SEAVER #480 54 BOWMAN SHOENDIST#110 62 SNIDER #500 63 BAT LEADER #2 69 ROSE #120 63BAT LEADER #1 63 HR LEADER #4 59 FORD #430 58 WYNN #100 75 YOUNT #223 64 FORD #380 62 MARIS #1 72 MAYS #49 62 MATTHEWS #30 62 MARACHIAL#505 69 CLEMENTE #50 66 KOUFAX #100 63 ALOU #270 70 SEAVER #300 63 COLAVITO #240 66 HUNTER#36 70 JACKSON #140--TWO 58 SPAHN #484 55 GILLIAM #5 74 SCHMIDT #283 73 MAYS #305 69 B.ROBBY#550 MANY MORE!AND ABOUT 50 70-71 BASKETBALL,FOOTBALL STARS ALSO! THIS IS JUST A SAMPLING! ================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:03:34 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: personal trading cards OBC=16 VCT=7 Pat W. Matt S. Mark T. Matt H. Keith S. Ken Goetsch Ken M. Todd K. Kit O. Bob F. Sal D. Doug S. Jason U. Mike R. Rex S. Don Roth Matt S. Mark T. Jimi T. Keith S. Everard S. John L. Everyone above expressed an interest, if the price is right. Did I miss anyone? Email me if so: < KeithSummers@webtv.net > Anyone else that should be on both? I have the paperwork in my car now. When I pass by printers I can go in & show them what I'm looking for & get their best price & details :-) ================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 03:49:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "airal6" Subject: Some great news! Hey OBC, Al Crotte here with some updated information on my life. Last time I wrote, I mentioned that I had met the girl of my dreams and that I was exceedingly happy. To that, many of you wrote to me personally and sent some well wishes and good thoughts. That was all appreciated. Well, it only gets better. The Friday before the Super Bowl, I proposed to Kirsten that we get married and she said "yes." It has been a whirlwind since then. All of our family and friends are very happy and we feel very blessed with all of the love that everyone has given to us to date. Our wedding will be on June 11, 2005 at the Franklin Park Conservatory. (We reserved it the Monday after the Super Bowl.) It is a beautiful facility with lush gardens that is very close to where we plan to live, in Bexley (a suburb of Columbus, OH). Thank you for letting me indulge in the brief story. I know some of you wanted to know when it was to happen. There is a lot more to the story since I am such a romantic. : ) I'll leave it for another time. As to card collecting, many of you may have noted that I have sent out some packages. More are to come. My wantlist is updated with no new pre-1980 sets listed. The other new sets will be listed on the UV list, including the newly posted 1981 baseball set. (Yes, a baseball set). I have gotten a bunch of hits to my 1977 Topps Mexican FB set, and have a bunch of dupes too, in case anyone is collecting that That is all for now. I'll keep you all posted on the ongoing wedding plans. The official announcement is next. Peace through cardboard. Al Crotte ================= Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 23:16:17 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Mark Talbot Subject: New Want List Page Addesses Hello All, I have been going crazy the past few weeks because I have not been able to update my want list. I am a stickler about that and to not be able to do it because of technical issues and I was not a happy camper. Therefore, I have been working at "separating" and creating a NEW WANT LIST. So it's ready, I now have (2) separate Want Lists to use in the various trading groups that I am involved with. Here they are: Mark's Baseball Card Want List (1900 - 1980) MARK'S WANT LIST FOR FOOTBALL, BASKETBALL, HOCKEY and POST 1980 BASEBALL For those of you who are interested please take note. For those persons who maintain the links on the Trading Club Web Pages - I would appreciate it if you would update my web addresses. Thanks for indulging me - BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= To: Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 22:53:04 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: FUDRUCKERS ANYONE ATTENDING BRING 71 AND 72 LISTS kit okamuro ================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 02:19:18 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item# 2787189776: 1963 TOPPS BASEBALL ... OBC made it into another listing...not a horrible lot either... ================= To: Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 07:11:19 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: "The Book" Anyone looking for one? It's at $4.95 with a day to go. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 10:36:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Availables - Waiver claims encouraged! Last call on these. A handful of guys submitted claims when I put it out on Thursday (and I will try to get something to everyone on that list), but I have tons more available. Got to clean out some space. Will probably start posting on ebay if I don't get more claims. http://www.cardcomplex.com/user_pages/friar41/trade_list.php ================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 17:54:14 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Advice on a Big Purchase Hi, Guys! Wow! I have been overwhelmed by the response to my email posting last night. Within 5 minutes of sending my email, I received three offers to split the lot. Within a day, there were 17 offers to split the lot, including three offers to buy it entirely and then sell me whatever cards I needed. I guess that answers my question about the reasonableness of the asking price. Several OBCers had advice for determining the value of large lots of off-grade vintage cards. Several had cautionary tales about dealers who made offers that sounded great but were actually ripoffs. A few had suggestions for turning a profit from such lots. Thanks for all the advice and offers to split the lot. I should tell you what I have decided to do. I am going to buy the lot, take inventory, and then contact some of those who offered to split the lot. I don't want to use the cards to turn a profit and would prefer that the cards eventually be spread around OBC-land. I have to split the lot so that I can show "she who must be obeyed" that I am staying within my collecting budget. I hope that any future discussions of selling some of these cards will not offend. Thanks again. However this turns out, it had been an interesting experience. I guess my approach to collecting (spending $10 to $20 a week, splurging every month or two on a star card) is much more modest than that of many OBCers. Mike W ================= Date: 14 Feb 2004 02:08:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Nominations update The following people have been nominated to serve on the OBCAC thus far: Ken Morganti Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Bob Donaldson Jim Hatch Terry Dietrick Doug Smith Brock Hattox Howard Morgan Mike Wierzbicki Geno Wagner is the only nominee so far for facilitator. This update includes all nominations through 8:00 pm CST on Feb. 13. George Moore has declined nomination. There will be no further updates until Tuesday Feb. 17, at which time I will announce the finalslate of candidates. I'll be in Memphis until then and probably won't have access to a computer during this time. However, between now and then, please feel free to continue nominations. ================= Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:46:32 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Mike Wheat catalog, anyone? If anyone could use a copy of the most recent Mike Wheat catalog (or wants me to check something in it), give me a shout. I don't need it any more & would be glad to pass it along. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:51:16 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Horizontal waiver wire The 1960 was the first (and so far only) major vintage set completed for me, and I have a few extras that need homes. Condition not for the squeamish. Feel free to speak up, wouldn't hurt to include an address.... 1960 Topps 30 74 99 103 126 280 289 378 ================= Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:21:18 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] Paris in the uh, winter? To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: jfsilva@aol.com Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 19:48:24 EST Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Paris in the uh, winter? Chuck got me too. Several '74 topps and a single '60 of Bob Miller. My favorites were the Jim Kaat and the Jim Hegan. I always hoped Hegan would turn into something more for the A's. He was the defensive specialist at 1st. How many of those do you see anymore? Kaat's card is cool because, well, it's Kaat, and because it has been attacked by a one-hole punch not once, but twice. Thanks Chuck! ================= To: digdugdig@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 14:47:13 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] Paris in the uh, winter? An opportunity to include my thanks to Chuck who sent a VERY impressive 72 Willie Mays! Gorgeous card that fits that hard to hit set. Thanks Chuck for the surprise mail! >From: digdugdig@webtv.net >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: [OBC-Thanks] Paris in the uh, winter? >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:21:18 -0800 (PST) >I'm beginning to wonder if Lynn sent his printing press to Freemont, >Go Chuck, go...SUPER!!! >OBC ... there it is ...'nuff said!!! ><< Message5.txt >> Get some great ideas here for your sweetheart on Valentine's Day - and beyond. http://special.msn.com/network/celebrateromance.armx ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 07:07:12 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: I'm signing off and new address OBCers -- It's time to put the computer in a box and ship it off, so I'll be offline for awhile. I was lucky enough to get this assignment to England, but it sure is a pain logistically. We are leaving on March 3rd to go to Germany for a few days to inprocess with the Air Force Exchange Officer office, then I get to Amesbury, England on March 9th to become an Royal Air Force officer for three years. The military ships your stuff in two batches, the first being a 1000 pound "express" shipment, which has clothes, toys, crib, computer, some baseball cards. That shipment goes by military plane and is supposed to find it's way over there in April sometime. The big shipment (furniture and whatever is left) will show up in May. So I will be dismantling the computer today or tomorrow and won't be back on anytime soon unless I go to the library or something. When I do get there, I'll have to get a new email address as well since Earthlink charges 40 cents a minute from Europe. Here's my new address starting March 9th (Geordie, can you update the address list?): Geno Wagner 22 Martlesham Rd Amesbury Salisbury Wiltshire SP4 7LP UK By the time I sign on again, the Cubs will be six games up in the NL Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:28:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: question about website On my website it shows a double print of my want list the top one is correct and the bottom is an old one but I cant get rid of it matter of fact when I click on to make changes it doesnt even show that it is there. Anyway of getting rid of second wantlist ================= To: "ramblings" , Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:56:59 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: twice yearly interuption for new Topps Series 2 is comming out, and I need to know who wants a box. Price is the same as series 1... $40 + shipping (usually around $6, a little less if you want more than one box). I need to know quickly if you want a box and you didn't get one first series, because I need to know if I need another case or not... so, email me if you want a box (or 2+) ... even if you got one from series one, please email me. If you have never got a box from me and have questions, drop me a line... now back to our vintage stuff until November. 7 more days for pitchers and catchers? ================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:23:03 -0500 (EST) To: HeyAC@aol.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Thanks/update on PTCs next! Al sends 3 Champ Summers , an Ollie a Jim Nash & a George Ice Man Gervin team leaders Spurs card :-) Thanks Al! The next message I will list the update of people interested in personal trading cards, as several joined in :-) ================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:28:48 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: The Glory of Their Times I saw on the news today that Lawrence Ritter, the author of "The Glory of Their Times," died today at 81. If I had to pick my favorite baseball book, this would be it. There is no better way to learn about the nature of baseball in the first two decades of the 20th century. It's not just baseball. It is about people, and America, and all kinds of things. If you haven't read it - well, you should. ================= Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:39:15 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PTC update OBC=21 VCT=10 A few more people expressed interest in Personal Trading Cards if the price is right. Here is the new list: ============================ OBC VCT -------- -------------- Matt S. Matt S. Mark T. Mark T. Keith S. Keith S. Ken Goetsch Ken Goetsch JSG JSG Stufflestreet Stufflestreet Pat W. Don Roth Matt H. Jimi Thayer Ken M. Everard S. Todd K. John L. Bob Friar Sal D. Doug S. Jason U. Mike Rich Rex S. Kit O. Ray L. Earl K. John H. ================= Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 01:40:55 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: pic attached of 1970 Topps Ollie Brown variation :-) / 2 more PTC ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 08:31:02 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Glory of Their Times Allow me to ditto these comments on Larry Ritter's great book. It's a great book to get youngsters interested in old-time baseball, maybe because as Bill says, the stories are about people as much as they are about baseball. I don't need to say whether it's the greatest baseball book of all time, because I can say this instead: when embarking on a road trip when I was about 13, I only took this book along. (I had read it before.) I would read it, and when I got to the end, flipped right back to the beginning and started over again. I've probably read it at least a dozen times over the years, maybe five times on that trip :). Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com I saw on the news today that Lawrence Ritter, the author of "The Glory of Their Times," died today at 81. If I had to pick my favorite baseball book, this would be it. There is no better way to learn about the nature of baseball in the first two decades of 20th century. It's not just baseball. It is about people, and America, and kinds of things. If you haven't read it - well, you should. Keep up with high-tech trends here at "Hook'd on Technology." http://special.msn.com/msnbc/hookedontech.armx ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:07:03 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Virtual collection I'm tempted by the idea of an electronic collection of some of the more expensive Red Sox cards out there. Has anyone heard about any potential legal/copyright issues? It'd be cool to put it out on the web for everyone to see. I know Dan Austin has a large "virtual collection" on the web. Plus there is the Tipton Hall of Fame and a collection by Dave Skoglund. Wayne Delia's CD is in a category by itself. Any others I should know about and/or check out? It would be cool to be able to get hits to my list just by checking out ebay and looking for the pictures. Or guys with digital cameras could take pictures of cards they have or see at a show. ================= To: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:42:17 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: From the 'It's not all bad dept.' Now that the Yankees have acquired A-Rod to play thirdbase in the Bronx, the Red Sox officially have the best shortstop in baseball. Boo-yahh! Greg (yaz) ================= To: Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:54:46 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' I was wondering when members of the OBC chapter of Red Sox Nation would chime in about this. I was chalking it up to a 3-day holiday weekend bender. I'm not a Sox fan obviously, but as a baseball fan I'm sick about it. I understand that the Yanks have all the right in the world to do what they did, but for them to have a payroll that is 7 times more than the D-Rays is obscene. Four players on the team with $100M+ contracts. To quote old friend Barry Clesh, "Yikes!" ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg (yaz) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 7:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' Now that the Yankees have acquired A-Rod to play thirdbase in the Bronx, the Red Sox officially have the best shortstop in baseball. Boo-yahh! Greg (yaz) Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 00:39:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PTC eBay 3660380093 (Ends Feb-17 Digital Scout Player Software ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 07:51:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: One click access to the OBC address list I've heard about several people who go online and into their email or into yahoo groups in order to find an address for an OBCer. I used to do this too and it was one more hurdle standing in the way of sending stuff out. I came up with a solution and I'd like to share it with you. It takes intermediate level computer skills to follow along with my instructions. I promise that no programming is involved but some of the steps may be gibberish to you. I'm available to help if needed. If you have Windows XP or AOL IM, then I can help you directly by sending you files and/or changing settings on your computer from mine (with your permission). Here's the big picture: Next to the start button in the lower left hand corner of your screen you can have a "Quick Launch" toolbar. One click on an icon on this toolbar there and you are instantly running a program. You can create an icon on the Quick Launch toolbar that says "display OBC address list" and have one-click access. The messy details: 1) Quick launch toolbar Check to see if there are icons directly to the right of the start button. Try clicking on one to see what happens. If a program runs, you are halfway "But I don't have a quick launch toolbar. What do I do?" Anyone with Windows 98 or later can have one. If you don't see yours, here's what you need to do. Right-click a blank area on the taskbar (to the right of the start button), point to Toolbars, and then click Quick Launch. 2) Put the OBC address list in its own file on the hard drive of your computer. There are LOTS of ways to do this. It depends on what program you use for email and how technically proficient you are. I use Outlook Express. I think that what I know how to do can be done by people using other email programs. (Note AOL is different. I am NOT familar with AOL. Someone who is familar may need to translate my instructions into something AOLers can use. And don't even get me started on Macs. ;-) ) Anyway, Geordie Calvert emails the address list to us each month via the OBC-Announcements server. He also uploads a file with the addresses to groups.yahoo.com. The easiest method to put this list onto your hard drive is to open up Geordie's message and then save the email onto your hard drive. Note the file name and directory where it is saved. You'll need it later. Both can be modified, while saving or later on. If you can figure it out, save the email into your DESKTOP directory. When you turn your computer on, the desktop is the area you see. (ugh. that is, unless you automatically run something else when you turn your computer on. why is there always an 'unless'?) Either way, minimize all the open windows you see. If you've saved Geordie's email to your desktop, then you are nearly 3) Locate the icon for the email you saved. Double click it and check to make sure its what you thought it would be. After you've done that, close the file. 4) Click once on the icon. Drag it down to the quick launch toolbar. 5) Move the mouse pointer over the icon you just moved to the toolbar. You should see the file name. Click it once. Up comes the OBC address list. This is available if you are on the internet or not. A couple of possible embellishments: Make the name of the file recognizable. I use DirectoryJan04.txt. Make the file a text file instead of an email. I've probably lost most of you by now, huh? Well, if you are interested and patient, I can walk you through the steps. I've helped out Bob Reed and Terry Dietrick so far. Who's next? ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:02:13 -0700 (MST) To: "Geordie Calvert" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' Okay, I'll chime in. I'll admit, when I first heard of the trade, I was sick about it. However, the more I thought about it, I don't think that it's all that bad. The Evil Empire gave up an outstanding young player (Soriano) and their pitching, other than Mussina, is still suspect. I figure their $180 million lineup should equate to 90 wins-is $2 million a victory good? President, Montana Chapter Red Sox Nation ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:19:19 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' I'll chime in too... I was shocked when I first heard about the trade, but I agree with Todd's assessment. Soriano is valuable asset to lose. Of course, A-rod is a great one to gain. Does it balance out? Pretty close IMHO... And I have to admit, I'm pretty excited about the first Shilling vs. A-rod duel in Fenway Park! Go Sox! Although I am a diehard Yankee hater, I am happy for A-rod that he will at least get a shot with a contender now. He's too good of a guy to rot in Texas for another year. President, Central Virgina Chapter Red Sox Nation At 08:02 AM 2/17/04, you wrote: >Okay, I'll chime in. I'll admit, when I first heard of the trade, I was >sick about it. However, the more I thought about it, I don't think that >it's all that bad. The Evil Empire gave up an outstanding young player >(Soriano) and their pitching, other than Mussina, is still suspect. I >figure their $180 million lineup should equate to 90 wins-is $2 million a >victory good? >President, Montana Chapter >Red Sox Nation ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:41:58 EST To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' I agree with both Dan and Todd in that I don't think the Yankees will end up as invincible as some seem to think. On the other hand, I think that conclusion somewhat misses the point. While the Red Sox/Yankee rivalry is good for baseball in many ways, this kind of thing is not good for baseball. Traditionalist and romantic that I am, I am sick and tired of the monolithic way the Yankees have operated since the mid-20th century when I started following baseball as a kid. Any sport is based on the perception of fair competition. It hurts baseball when people believe that money and power are the most important foundation elements and those foundations are distorting competition. That happened, in my opinion, back in the days when Kansas City Athletics general manager Parke Carroll shipped all of his best prospects to New York to financially survive and it has been happening ever since George got the notion that buying championships with expensive players and farm systems was the way to go to maintain "Yankee pride." Pride, to me, should mean acheivement to overcome odds on a level playing field. That is not what the Yankees do. To be honest, it is more the fault of baseball for letting it happen than it is the Yankees for taking unfair advantage. I know - I run the risk of being criticized as a Red Sox fan sore loser, and probably there is some of that; but I really do think there is a bigger picture. I love baseball even more than the Red Sox, and this kind of thing has never been good for the game. It may be one of the biggest reasons why so many feel it is no longer our national pastime. Say what you will about the NFL, but it is clear that no one team dominates forever in that sport. Almost every city feels that there is hope. I think that Theo and the Sox are making a valiant effort to knock off Goliath, but there are many other teams that don't even have the resources of the Sox. Not good. Northwestern Ct. President of Red Sox Nation" ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 06:55:49 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: A-ROD I THINK EVERYTHING IS GETTING MISSED HERE. ITS NOT THAT IN NEGOITATIONS ALEX SAID I WANT A GAZILLION AND GEORGE SAID ILL GIVE YOU TWO. I THINK HE JUST AGREED TO ASKING PRICE AND OTHER TERMS WERE NEGOITATED. THERE IS A LOT OFSOUR APPLES, BUT ITS JUST CAPITALISM. JUST MY VIEW kit okamuro PUBLIC RELATION SEC OF HIGH DESERT ANGEL FANS ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:38:51 EST To: biglittledogs@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-ROD I agree to the sour apples theory, but I am contending that there is more than that in this evolving situation. I too believe in capitalism as an American institution, but like all other American institutions, it needs to be subjected to the other American institution of a system of checks and balances. Checks and balances are not alive and well in baseball today. My impression is that Bud Selig approved this deal with reservations. As is so often the case, the devil is in the details. I think I understand his reservations and they are a real danger to baseball as we know it and love it. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:45:12 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: A-ROD - How Do I Get That Job? between the $25 million a year A-Rod was paid by the Rangers and the $67 million that the Rangers have to send to the Yankess to take A-Rod "off their hands", the Rangers spent over $40 million a year on him ,hes no longer on the team, and, didn't they finish in last place all four years? hmmm...i bet gee dubya may have done a better job than that! ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 11:15:13 EST To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' The trade was horriffic for the Yankees..Soriano is a great young talent that combines power, speed, avg. defense...They could have gotten a mid-level third baseman and some extra pitching...they have not learned from the D-backs, the Angels, or the Marlins that pitching will overcome hitting. PERIOD. GO RED SOX!!! (who of course will lose to the Phils in the Series) ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:46:04 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' Father Pat, You're ignoring the 1965-'75 era and the '82-'95 era. There were some fairly bad Yankees teams despite some good players (and in the case of the latter, a lot of free agant dollars). I've been claiming for a while that this would be the year that the Yankees finished 3rd...and I'm a lifelong fan of the team, for your Boss's sake! I am getting this funny feeling that Theo Epstein and John Henry (using Bill James's research) are slowly, quietly, methodically building a new dynasty. You heard it here first...but keep in mind that if I turn out to be wrong, I'll be very happy in any case. Take care, --- "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Hello Men! This letter and thought from Friar merits a comment from the Padre. I completely agree with Friar's conclusion that the shift of power to the Yankees since the 1940's has not been good for the American League. I think I can competently quote history and say that when the Yankees were running roughshod over everyone but Al Lopez and the Indians/White Sox, attendance figures in the AL fell. Why? Because with the introduction of black talent en masse from 1947 on, the National League, even with the strong Dodgers' teams of the '50s and '60s, offered a more competitive balance, had the better players in the game, and had supporting attendance figures to prove it. Where is Bowie Kuhn (blocking the Vida Blue sale to Cincinnati in 1976) when we need him? I agree, boo not so much to the Yankees as to Spineless Selig for allowing it to go through. If I could have any other job than being a priest, I would really like to be commissioner for a day. But this would immediately enhance my crucifixion, as I would reinstate the reserve clause, abolish the DH, bring back Sunday doubleheaders, quash the Cubs' request for more night games, do away with at least 4 teams recently added. But I digress..... Well said, Friar, I hope the Sox with that strong 4 man rotation can stop the Evil Empire. Padre Pat >From: friar4@aol.com >To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 09:41:58 EST > I agree with both Dan and Todd in that I don't think the Yankees will end >up as invincible as some seem to think. > On the other hand, I think that conclusion somewhat misses the point. >While the Red Sox/Yankee rivalry is good for baseball in many ways, this kind of >thing is not good for baseball. Traditionalist and romantic that I am, I am >sick and tired of the monolithic way the Yankees have operated since the >mid-20th century when I started following baseball as a kid. > Any sport is based on the perception of fair competition. It hurts >baseball when people believe that money and power are the most important foundation >elements and those foundations are distorting competition. That happened, in >my opinion, back in the days when Kansas City Athletics general manager Parke >Carroll shipped all of his best prospects to New York to financially survive >and it has been happening ever since George got the notion that buying >championships with expensive players and farm systems was the way to go to maintain >"Yankee pride." Pride, to me, should mean acheivement to overcome odds on a level >playing field. That is not what the Yankees do. To be honest, it is more the >fault of baseball for letting it happen than it is the Yankees for taking >unfair advantage. > I know - I run the risk of being criticized as a Red Sox fan sore loser, >and probably there is some of that; but I really do think there is a bigger >picture. I love baseball even more than the Red Sox, and this kind of thing has >never been good for the game. It may be one of the biggest reasons why so >many feel it is no longer our national pastime. Say what you will about the NFL, >but it is clear that no one team dominates forever in that sport. Almost every >city feels that there is hope. I think that Theo and the Sox are making a >valiant effort to knock off Goliath, but there are many other teams that don't >even have the resources of the Sox. Not good. >Northwestern Ct. President of Red Sox Nation" Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Click Here Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 08:57:00 -0800 (PST) To: friar4@aol.com, biglittledogs@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-ROD I've said it before and I'll say it again...spending big money is no guarantee of success. Just ask fans of the Orioles, Mets and Dodgers. They are consistently among the biggest in team salary year in and year out, but none of them have taken home a World Series championship since 1988. Even the last two winners ('02 Angels and '03 Marlins) were not among the highest-spending teams. Every World Series since 2001 should have proven to anybody who looked that the better team will win. Whoever has the better pitching and plays the better fundamental game will beat the big-paying team if that team forgets the basics of the game. Period. The '96 and '98-2000 Yankees played a great basic ballgame. Their players played as a team, and Joe Torre's system worked well. The Yankees have not done well historically when they rely more on the individuals than the team...does the name "Rickey Henderson" make any Yankee fans long for that past era? Not for THIS Yankee fan. I'm happy to see A-Rod come to New York. However, they have to play 162 games before the postseason. Please spare me your "Haves vs. Have-nots" arguments until then, and even then the Yankees could still get wiped up by a low-spending team like the A's. Or have we forgotten about the Diamondbacks, Angels and Marlins already? Take care, --- friar4@aol.com wrote: > Kit, > I agree to the sour apples theory, but I am > contending that there is > more than that in this evolving situation. I too > believe in capitalism as an > American institution, but like all other American > institutions, it needs to be > subjected to the other American institution of a > system of checks and balances. > Checks and balances are not alive and well in > baseball today. My impression is > that Bud Selig approved this deal with reservations. > As is so often the case, > the devil is in the details. I think I understand > his reservations and they > are a real danger to baseball as we know it and love > it. > Friar I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:23:05 EST To: Friar4@aol.com, dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' Bottom line the A's will continue to be in the play-offs giving both the Yankees and Red Sox Heck for years to come with one of the lowest pay rolls in ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:34:34 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, biglittledogs@msn.com, From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-ROD With all due respect, I still believe the point is being missed here. I do not really disagree with what you wrote. Yes, the Yankees did have some down years and they are not guaranteed a championship every year just because they have all that extra money; but that is not my concern. I don't mean to get esoteric about this, but my concern relates to the over-the-top symbolism related to what is happening to the game. George has taken what is the most obscene element of the game (the money and power orientation of the big markets) and he continues to promote and expand that obscenity. Sure, he may not win it every year, but it has gotten to the point where he will be able to buy his way into contention every year. Is that right? Is that a level playing field? Like I wrote earlier, I blame baseball more than I blame George. This is just like the day of the 19th century robber barons when competition was lauded on one hand while competitors were destroyed on the other because the government refused to play its important role as impartial arbiter. I hope you are right about the rise of the Red Sox (How could I not be as a long-suffering Sox fan?), but I don't want to see them replace the Yankees if it means that they will simply maintain their position because they have the biggest market and the most lucrative cable contract. I want them to do it because they reflect the aspirations of an organization that plays the best on that level playing To look at an even bigger picture, I am also concerned about the meaning behind a culture in which players, even those who are perceived as good guys, almost always seem to move toward the highest bidder and most lucrative financial situation. You can say, of course, that such movement is the essence of capitalism. Again, it is hard to argue with that. It is difficult, however, to match that with some of the values that baseball has represented in the past - team loyalty, team play, fighting to overcome obstacles to better your situation, long-term dream fulfillment, to name a few. These were some of the things we used to believe should be passed on to kids. As you know, many of those kids don't play baseball any more. Sometimes, I think, that is true because they are not exposed to the great game because of the greed that has promoted such late night games schedules. But it is also true because kids are relating less and less to values seen in the players. I guess that's enough for now. I am not trying to offend anyone, and I hope that I haven't; but I felt we had a golden opportunity for an exchange of ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:28:21 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-ROD No offense taken, and I am in total agreement that this whole situation affords a great opportunity for a healthy dialogue. Secondly, your rebuttal to my earlier email actually gave me a few things to chew on that I hadn't considered. So despite the tone of my rantings, I do appreciate the replies; it lets me consider my argument better. That said... A "level playing field" should be the concern of the player's union. As it is, the current MLBPA doesn't seem bothered by the fact that there is a ceiling somewhere in regard to player salaries. Once prices get so high that the fans can't afford it, the teams will find themselves in trouble. I just find it interesting that in the same time that Democratic hopefuls looking to unseat Mr. Bush from the Oval Office are bemoaning the hard economic times and how children are going to bed hungry, the players' agents are asking for and getting such obscene amounts of I recently read Duke Snider's autobiography "The Duke of Flatbush." One of the things I picked up on was how many of the Brooklyn Dodgers lived among the fans. Duke, Carl Erskine, Carl Furillo and Gil Hodges all lived in the smae neighborhood in Bay Ridge and carpooled to Ebbetts field. The Bay Ridge kids saw these players in their neighborhoods, living the same way they did. These guys all had interests outside of baseball and worked in the off-season because they had to. You see the newsreel footage of Willie Mays playing stickball in Harlem, and he endeared himself to those Harlem kids. Do you really expect to see Sammy Sosa doing the same with kids on Chicago's South By the way...when money started pouring in to baseball, was Willie still playing stickball? No, the Giants (and Dodgers) had long since moved west, Willie, Mickey and the Duke had retired and all could be found at weekend shows signing items for fans. For money. And today's players are likely to live in a gated subdivision or a beach-front compound, where they're not as visible to the kids that play the game and aspire to take their skills. But these kids are different. They're not expected to respect their elders; you're not very likely to find any calling them "Mr. Jeter" or "Mr. Sosa." Furthermore, these kids know that if they steal a glove from Alex Rodriguez, they can make some money selling it on eBay, and if they get caught, they can have A-Rod thrown in jail for assault if he tries to stop them from stealing it. The problem goes far beyond the baseball culture. I work for a cable company, and write on the side. In my job as a service technician, I have been a consumate professional, gaining a reputation of getting the job done, whether I'm working on a cable line, digital telephone service or somebody's cable modem. I've had people write to the company requesting that if they ever have an issue that required a service tech, that I be the technician they send. If I were in a position where 29 other cable companies would be willing to pay me a great deal more based on my past production, should I try to get the best deal? YOU BET. Should the U.S. Government step in and say that another cable company can't take me because of some "level playing field?" Hell no. This is my opinion for my own situation, so there shouldn't be a different opinion even when somebody else makes a considerable amount more. I guess I mean to say that there are already laws in place. Remember the baseball card market of 1991 or the stock market of '99? Both situations had "experts" explaining that there was nowhere to go but up, and many were still delusional when the "corrections" finally came. The laws of economics certainly apply here, and they will be affected by the law of gravity if the players price themselves out of their jobs. If that happens in a free marketplace, some of the teams will disappear, there will be fewer players and the ones that realize what's happening will be happy to accept a lower salary to continue playing the game. The ones that hold out might be well advised to go into business school or find another way to make that much money. It happens all the time in the Real World, and it can happen in MLB Wow, how did I get up on this soapbox? Take care, --- friar4@aol.com wrote: > Chris, > With all due respect, I still believe the point > is being missed here. I > do not really disagree with what you wrote. Yes, the > Yankees did have some down > years and they are not guaranteed a championship > every year just because they > have all that extra money; but that is not my > concern. > I don't mean to get esoteric about this, but my > concern relates to the > over-the-top symbolism related to what is happening > to the game. George has > taken what is the most obscene element of the game > (the money and power > orientation of the big markets) and he continues to > promote and expand that obscenity. > Sure, he may not win it every year, but it has > gotten to the point where he > will be able to buy his way into contention every > year. Is that right? Is that a > level playing field? > Like I wrote earlier, I blame baseball more than > I blame George. This is > just like the day of the 19th century robber barons > when competition was > lauded on one hand while competitors were destroyed > on the other because the > government refused to play its important role as > impartial arbiter. I hope you are > right about the rise of the Red Sox (How could I not > be as a long-suffering Sox > fan?), but I don't want to see them replace the > Yankees if it means that they > will simply maintain their position because they > have the biggest market and > the most lucrative cable contract. I want them to do > it because they reflect > the aspirations of an organization that plays the > best on that level playing > field. > To look at an even bigger picture, I am also > concerned about the meaning > behind a culture in which players, even those who > are perceived as good guys, > almost always seem to move toward the highest bidder > and most lucrative > financial situation. You can say, of course, that > such movement is the essence of > capitalism. Again, it is hard to argue with that. It > is difficult, however, to > match that with some of the values that baseball has > represented in the past - > team loyalty, team play, fighting to overcome > obstacles to better your > situation, long-term dream fulfillment, to name a > few. These were some of the things > we used to believe should be passed on to kids. As > you know, many of those > kids don't play baseball any more. Sometimes, I > think, that is true because they > are not exposed to the great game because of the > greed that has promoted such > late night games schedules. But it is also true > because kids are relating less > and less to values seen in the players. > I guess that's enough for now. I am not trying > to offend anyone, and I > hope that I haven't; but I felt we had a golden > opportunity for an exchange of > ideas. > Friar Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:27:52 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A-ROD My turn again: Chris, as with you, I appreciate the dialogue and truy cherish the level of discourse. Once again, I agree with most of what you say, but I think we have a measure of disagreement on the question of the level playing field. I think it is extremely important, even in a free enterprise society. You seem to imply that a person is going to go for what he is worth. Water seeking its own level will provide a healthy outcome could be a likely conclusion. I hope I am not presumptuous in understanding it that way, but that is how it came across to me. In truth, that's about the way Hamilton and the founding fathers intended it. Who am I to disagree with those superstars? After dealing with that economic system for a good number of years, the reality is that I do generally agree that this it does work better than any others in an imperfect world. My concern, however, relates to how it can become distorted. You should get what you are worth in your business, and so should A-Rod. The problem is that we are now circling around that word that has been mentioned in our dialogue several times now - the word "obscene." Think of the definition of that word for a moment. It implies a level of distortion that is perceived to be unnatural, out-of-whack, whatever you want to call it. Therein lies the story. When our society allows Jefferson's love of nature as a guiding force to be obscenely twisted, you tend to run into trouble. We saw this with Rockefeller and Carnegie many years ago, and we are seeing it now in several aspects of our lives - baseball being one of them. And we can't forget the symbolic importance of baseball in American life. There is a metaphor floating around there someplace, and right now it is not a healthy metaphor. Baseball has an honored place in American life and in the rearing of our you; and that place is being slowly picked apart by the greed of the players, the union, the owners, and all of the other money changers in the marketplace. When I studied Hamilton back in school, he argued for the virtues of allowing a free marketplace to remain free to do its business. Our country was based on this; but it does not work if there is no umpire in the game to call batted balls fair or foul. I guess that I don't have that much trust in human nature. I loved your story about what baseball was like back in Brooklyn and its neighborhoods. That really struck very close to my point. We are losing that wholesome connection with the people, especially in places like Brooklyn. You are right. It started to happen a long time ago; but that does not excuse greater and greater extension of the distortion. Lots of soapboxes around here. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:29:27 -0500 To: From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" Subject: Useful link for all Ebay surfers... Here is a useful link for all the ebay surfers in the group: http://auctiononlinedirectory.com/cgi-bin/negs ---Useful and easy method to read all of the negatives/neutrals from a prospective seller. And, just because, here is a solid looking Tipton Topps 1960 Mantle that might be had for a decent price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2787027285&category2 ...Lovely Day, Iggy... ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:57:31 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From the 'It's not all bad dept.' In a message dated 2/17/2004 10:16:18 AM Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com > they have not learned from the D-backs, the Angels, or the Marlins that > pitching will overcome hitting. PERIOD. Or the Rangers? The trade is of little matter to Ranger fans. They were awful before the trade and will certainly be awful after. No top flight pitcher wants to pitch in the ballpark and money has not been able to bring them here. I'm afraid the Rangers are in for long term troubles. Thank God for the Cubs. - Doug ================= Date: 18 Feb 2004 00:43:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: OBCAC Election ballot Ladies and Gents, Here is the slate of candidates for this years OBCAC elections. For voting member (voter for up to 8), the candidates are: Ken Morganti Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Bob Donaldson Jim Hatch Terry Dietrick Doug Smith Brock Hattox Howard Morgan Mike Wierzbicki Geno Wagner is the only candidate for facilitator. (vote separately for PLEASE VOTE FOR UP TO 8 PEOPLE FOR VOTING MEMBER. Seven people will be elected as regular voting member and one person as an alternate, in case someone must drop off the OBCAC. While Geno is the only candiate for facilitator, technically he should be elected. Anyway, we have a great slate of candidates and let's try to surpass last year's vote total when, I believe more than 100 of us voted. These guys deserve our support!! I will accept ballots up until 6:00 pm PST ob February 29. ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:57:26 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot Dear OBC, I hope I'm not about to start some sort of huge controversy - I don't intend to at all. First off, I confess that I am guilty of what I am about to point out. So to the point: I find it kinda sad that out of a group of 150 or so, we could only muster 10 candidates (plus 1 facilitator) to vote for. Now - I myself didn't take the time to contact any members asking if I could nominate them, mostly becuase I was on vacation for much of the nomination period, then have been pretty busy since I got back. Is that a good excuse? Not really (IMO). So maybe lots of others were very busy too. Or maybe much of the group, when contacted, asked not to be nominated. Perhaps many who would be willing to serve weren't contacted by anyone asking if they would like to be nominated. I don't know. But I've got to believe that out of sucha large group, there are more than 11 eligible members out there who wouldbe willing to serve. With absolutely no disrespect towards the names on the ballot, many of these gentlemen are the same ones presented to the group every election. I've met a number of them and am proud to have them as friends. Maybe they really like serving, or maybe they agree to do it because they have a sense of duty to OBC and not many others are stepping forward. I admire and respectthese guys for being willing to give of themselves to govern such a diverse but close-knit group. However, it seems that more would be willing to step forth and help carry the responsibility. Perhaps next election, memberscould email the coordinator of the election stating their willingness to serve. In closing, I'm not writing because I myself wasn't nominated - nothing like that at all. I was just struck by the lack of response to John's nomination process (of which I am guilty too) and decided to write. I apologize if this note has in any way upset or offended; that is not my intention. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 19:13:23 -0800 (PST) To: Geordie Calvert , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot If it makes you feel better, I would have run in a heartbeat...but I still have about a year and a half before I reach that 3-year minimum requirement. I think maybe 50 of the OBC members are in a similar boat on the requirement issue (though I'm not guessing whether they'd run if asked). So 11 out of about 100 isn't as bad as 11 out of 150. It sucks, but it's the rule. But...following the rules is a good first step to take if I ever expect to be on the OBCAC for 2006 (yes, I'm now pandering for your vote then). Take care, --- Geordie Calvert wrote: > Dear OBC, > I hope I'm not about to start some sort of huge > controversy - I don't intend to at all. > First off, I confess that I am guilty of what I am > about to point out. So to the point: I find it > kinda sad that out of a group of 150 or so, we could > only muster 10 candidates (plus 1 facilitator) to > vote for. Now - I myself didn't take the time to > contact any members asking if I could nominate them, > mostly becuase I was on vacation for much of the > nomination period, then have been pretty busy since > I got back. Is that a good excuse? Not really > (IMO). So maybe lots of others were very busy too. > Or maybe much of the group, when contacted, asked > not to be nominated. Perhaps many who would be > willing to serve weren't contacted by anyone asking > if they would like to be nominated. I don't know. > But I've got to believe that out of such a large > group, there are more than 11 eligible members out > there who would be willing to serve. > With absolutely no disrespect towards the names on > the ballot, many of these gentlemen are the same > ones presented to the group every election. I've > met a number of them and am proud to have them as > friends. Maybe they really like serving, or maybe > they agree to do it because they have a sense of > duty to OBC and not many others are stepping > forward. I admire and respect these guys for being > willing to give of themselves to govern such a > diverse but close-knit group. However, it seems > that more would be willing to step forth and help > carry the responsibility. Perhaps next election, > members could email the coordinator of the election > stating their willingness to serve. > In closing, I'm not writing because I myself wasn't > nominated - nothing like that at all. I was just > struck by the lack of response to John's nomination > process (of which I am guilty too) and decided to > write. I apologize if this note has in any way > upset or offended; that is not my intention. > Geordie Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:23:55 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot The rules the founding group established "Sucks", I am not sure I agree but, then again I am not sure we could agree on much. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:32:41 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot what is there to agree on??? That it is sad that only so many people where nominated ?? The three year rule?? John Leroux ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:48:55 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot if chris is right, and it is true that 50 members of the group have been members for under 3 years (i know i am part of that group), thus eliminating them from contention, then perhaps that eligibility rule needs to be reviewed. i am guessing that, with such a large contingency ineligible to help guide the group yet probably a very active part of that same group, many of them would be willing to serve in some capacity if they were allowed. a lot of new blood has come into the group in the past three years. many of the "old guard" have become inactive recently. yet, as gordie points out, it is always the same, small number of old guard that is on the ballot. the rest seem to not be interested. to me, the solution seems obvious. but, as part of the largest, yet voiceless contingent in OBC, i am powerless to do anything about it. just my 2 cents worth. gary mandell ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:01:58 -0800 (PST) To: tply@aol.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot --- tply@aol.com wrote: > The rules the founding group established "Sucks", I > am not sure I agree but, > then again I am not sure we could agree on much. > Trips I guess the word "sucks" might not have been the best choice, but there was a second part to that statement. I'm not bemoaning that I have to wait; I am saying that I understand the rule and why it's there. Instead of griping that I should be allowed to run now (and no, I'm not suggesting that the rule be changed), I'm looking forward to the time when I will be able to do it -- within the rules. I was merely explaining why Geordie might not have been entirely right about the perception of such a low turnout in a 150-person group. There was no disagreement meant in my original email. I think we're splitting hairs here. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:22:13 -0800 (PST) To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot I'm not really in line with the idea of reviewing the rule. As I understand it, the rule was put in place to give an OBCer some time to understand what the group is about. Assuming that you stick around for three years (and who wouldn't want to?), there will be a lot more you'd know after three years than you would after two. I've been here for about a year and a half, but I know there's more for me to learn. I wouldn't dream of having group politics get in the way of that. I'd be willing to see the rule clarified (ex: an OBCer who will hit 3 years during the term vs. an OBCer who has three years BEFORE the election -- which means that I could be eligible next year instead of 2006), but not Just my 2 cents, since I was the one who opened this particular can of worms... Take care, --- smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > if chris is right, and it is true that 50 members of > the group have been > members for under 3 years (i know i am part of that > group), thus eliminating them > from contention, then perhaps that eligibility rule > needs to be reviewed. i > am guessing that, with such a large contingency > ineligible to help guide the > group yet probably a very active part of that same > group, many of them would be > willing to serve in some capacity if they were > allowed. > a lot of new blood has come into the group in the > past three years. many of > the "old guard" have become inactive recently. yet, > as gordie points out, it > is always the same, small number of old guard that > is on the ballot. the rest > seem to not be interested. > to me, the solution seems obvious. but, as part of > the largest, yet voiceless > contingent in OBC, i am powerless to do anything > about it. > just my 2 cents worth. > gary mandell I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:27:32 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot We can ALL agree on your golf game ;-) Only 87 more days 'til V04...... ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:42:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Wayne Delia" Subject: A test and an observation Content-Disposition: inline Testing to see if I can get a note to this list by way of my Lotus Notes-Buddy client at work, via my new email address wayne@deliafamily.com, it shouldn't work because Verizon supposedly only allows email to be sent out as from verizon.net, where my account is waynedelia@verizon.net. However I wentto yahoo-groups and fixed it up so maybe I can send notes now. Also, it seems that with the A-Rod to New York trade, the Red Sox now have the best shortstop in baseball. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:33:55 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot In a message dated 02/17/2004 7:14:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com writes: > It sucks, but it's the rule. If the rule sucks, I'll take the blame. As was the chairman of a sub committee that reviewed the application and membership process and sent recommendation to the OBCAC. As those of you who were around at the time remember, there was much discussion about preserving the spirit and original intent of the OBC. The changes at that time tightened up the application process, instituted the 3 year rule and also put a cap on the membership (which has since been Perhaps comments such as Chris's are the reason that there are fewer members who want to run for the AC. I served three terms on the AC and one as facilitator, and found that at every OBC gathering (Vegas, National, etc.) much of my time was taken up by members who wanted to discuss AC issues. It is a job that can take up your time, the pay is low and you can open yourself to criticism. If the rule does suck, then I would urge the new AC to discuss it and take appropriate action. Rest well, ================= To: , Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:17:14 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot I have one suggestion. I think that the names of those who are nominated should remain secret until the nominating process is completed. I accepted a nomination because at the time less than 7 people had been nominated. Had the 9 others who have been nominated been known to me at the time, I probably would not have accepted the nomination because I really respect the 9 who are nominated and feel that any of them would do a good job.Perhaps it is similar reasoning that kept people from nominating others. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:15:56 -0500 (EST) To: topgolf@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot I for one greatly appreciate the time effort and commitment of the "old guard". If not for them there would be no OBC. Rules are adopted for reasons, and personally I sometimes wonder if 3 years is long enough to fully appreciate and understand what OBC is all about. At the risk of offending, I find it a bit disrespectful for newcomers to join a group and then begin questioning the bylaws, principles, and/or rules of the group. I have seen this frequently with groups, and it generally results in various "camps" and "splinter groups" and things get very ugly. We need the old guard to maintain the integrity of OBC, least we become just another web site. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:21:18 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Subject: Change to OBCAC Ballot Brock Hattox has requested to be removed from the ballot. Any of you who have voted for Brock and wish to submit an alternate selection, please send me an email at obcjohn@knology.net. Do not respond to this email address, as this is my work email address. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:04:26 -0500 To: From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" Subject: Nice Tipton 18 card Topps '1953 starter set... Any takers??? My keychain can't possibly hold anymore '53 topps, so I'm passing on http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2787143704&category4 ...Lovely Day, Iggy... ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:36:46 EST To: Originaleek@webtv.net, Topgolf@aol.com From: JEdward@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot Earl, very well said. I agree with everything you said, I think you put it all in the proper perspective. Just wondering... how long have you been a member now Earl? ;-) In a message dated 02/18/2004 9:19:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, Originaleek@webtv.net writes: I for one greatly appreciate the time effort and commitment of the "old guard". If not for them there would be no OBC. Rules are adopted for reasons, and personally I sometimes wonder if 3 years is long enough to fully appreciate and understand what OBC is all about. At the risk of offending, I find it a bit disrespectful for newcomers to join a group and then begin questioning the bylaws, principles, and/or rules of the group. I have seen this frequently with groups, and it generally results in various "camps" and "splinter groups" and things get very ugly. We need the old guard to maintain the integrity of OBC, least we become just another web site. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:46:12 -0500 To: topgolf@aol.com, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot I too must take some blame I served on three or four of the first AC's and help develop the original guidelines. The rules do not "Suck" perhaps person who said they did was out of line! ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:52:24 -0500 To: From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" Subject: A couple more ebay Mantle's.... Hey, I've yet to reel-in a winner for an OBCer, here are a few more until I get it right! Of course, this "high bidder" stuff might take a long time, since we all know that the person who mans that "ebay winners both" in the sky has a sense of humor. Or else, he/she/it wouldn't have invented snipping software... Anyone in need of a '58 Berra/Mantle??? So far bidding is reasonable, and for a Tipton it doesn't look half-bad.... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2787251510&category6 A nice '65 Mantle league leader might go under the radar (substitute "unnoticed" for the words "under the radar" where applicable)... Of course, if I found it (and now you found it), you can be sure the rest of the ebay community will be zeroing in. But, it's still worth a http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2787268069&category2 -Lovely Day, Iggy... ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:20:02 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot In a message dated 2/18/2004 5:02:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, tply@aol.com > I too must take some blame I served on three or four of the first AC's and > help develop the original guidelines. > The rules do not "Suck" perhaps person who said they did was out of line! Chris already clarified his comment. Its time to let it go. Perhaps the problem is in the nomination procedure. We do tend to nominate the same folks every year, with some good reason - these are the folks that are most active and interested. I think the seniority concept is fine and nobody is really arguing about it. The "tweaking" idea that was suggested (what counts as three years) sounded pretty reasonable. Maybe more of a "volunteer" nomination system would work. I know it is permissable to do that now, but most people wait for someone else to nominate them. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:39:03 -0800 (PST) To: topgolf@aol.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election ballot You've taken my comment out of context. Again, let me There are two parts to the statement...the first, I have already admitted that it was a poor choice of word. PLEASE let it drop. Second, I said, "but it's the rule." I was trying to indicate that (despite what is still being said) I was perfectly willing to follow the rules as they are. I'm not asking to have the rules changed (and said so in a subsequent post). If this still doesn't make sense, I will be happy to break down my intentions further. I think I've already demonstrated that I can give Morganti a sun for his money in the word-per-post department, and will be perfectly happy to expand this into a chapter if I need to. I didn't say "The rule sucks." I didn't intend to infer that the rule sucks. All I was doing was explaining to Geordie that about 50 OBC members are ineligible for the OBCAC because of the rules. Please don't read anything more into it than that. --- topgolf@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 02/17/2004 7:14:32 PM Pacific > Standard Time, > chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com writes: > > It sucks, but it's the rule. > If the rule sucks, I'll take the blame. As was the > chairman of a sub > committee that reviewed the application and > membership process and sent recommendation > to the OBCAC. As those of you who were around at the > time remember, there was > much discussion about preserving the spirit and > original intent of the OBC. > The changes at that time tightened up the > application process, instituted the > 3 year rule and also put a cap on the membership > (which has since been > lifted). > Perhaps comments such as Chris's are the reason that > there are fewer members > who want to run for the AC. I served three terms on > the AC and one as > facilitator, and found that at every OBC gathering > (Vegas, National, etc.) much of my > time was taken up by members who wanted to discuss > AC issues. It is a job that > can take up your time, the pay is low and you can > open yourself to criticism. > If the rule does suck, then I would urge the new AC > to discuss it and take > appropriate action. > Rest well, > Mike Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:46:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: moof update - part II As some may not recall my prior installments of this series, a brief recap: October 25, 2003: On this server, I asked for help on a lot of cards I acquired that were salvaged from a fire. The smell was overwhelming and I wanted to reduce or negate it. Mark Macrae suggests baking powder inside a container with the cards for many weeks and if that didn't work to try candles. Mark also coins the term "moof." I place my cards in a sealed container with baking December 22, 2003: I open the container and although the stench is reduced it is still fairly strong. I report my findings to the group, then remove the baking powder from the container and insert 6 blueberry-scented candles. February 18, 2004: I open the container for the first time since it was sealed with the candles. The blueberry scent is overwhelming, but more pleasant that the moof. I pick up the cards and start sniffing them, nose pressed firmly onto each. It appears that the moof has dissipated! Only on the crustiest examples can I even smell trace amounts of moof...and my honker would definitely catch it if it were there :-) It is probably time for these cards to co-mingle with others in the set - I hope they play nice with each other. Oh, and by the way...the candles do not wreak of moof. Thanks to Mark "Moof Buster" Macrae for the very helpful hints! Now I know what to do when I get cards that just don't smell too good. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 02:30:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: re: my reason for not being there I for one would never nominate myself.............I would like to think that if I were asked to run it because over the years I gained respect that they (who ever asked me to run) think I could do a good job representing their ideas. I have on the other hand been elected to positions soley on them not wanting the job or I was running against someone who was hard to work with. In either case it left a bad taste in my mouth. This is my reason for not volunteer whether it right or not ...it is my reason. I to want to plaud those that have run this website they have done a great job and i am sure this will be the case of those who replace them in years to come ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 18:36:27 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: Speaking of moof Iggy recently emailed me about getting the various types of crud off of cards, since I had gone to some lengths to deal with the problem both at the 2001 National and on gunked cards from eBay. In his case, acetone worked wonders on old glue, liberally applied to number of 1953 (?) cards. Given Jim's expecience with the moof, it appears we can construct a guide on "healing your card the OBC way." There'd be ways to treat smell, glue, tape, and other fanciful modifications made by the collectors of yore--and Philip Morris. Anyone have any salient additions to such a list? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: , Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 19:37:05 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] moof update - part II I wonder if that will work on cat urine. I opened a spare box of '72s and some odd football I picked up at a now-closed card shop a couple years back. I quickly remembered why they are in a separate box! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] moof update - part II As some may not recall my prior installments of this series, a brief recap: October 25, 2003: On this server, I asked for help on a lot of cards I acquired that were salvaged from a fire. The smell was overwhelming and I wanted to reduce or negate it. Mark Macrae suggests baking powder inside a container with the cards for many weeks and if that didn't work to try candles. Mark also coins the term "moof." I place my cards in a sealed container with baking powder. December 22, 2003: I open the container and although the stench is reduced it is still fairly strong. I report my findings to the group, then remove the baking powder from the container and insert 6 blueberry-scented candles. February 18, 2004: I open the container for the first time since it was sealed with the candles. The blueberry scent is overwhelming, but more pleasant that the moof. I pick up the cards and start sniffing them, nose pressed firmly onto each. It appears that the moof has dissipated! Only on the crustiest examples can I even smell trace amounts of moof...and my honkerwould definitely catch it if it were there :-) It is probably time for these cards to co-mingle with others in the set - I hope they play nice with each other. Oh, and by the way...the candles do not wreak of moof. Thanks to Mark "Moof Buster" Macrae for the very helpful hints! Now I know what to do when I get cards that just don't smell too good. Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:00:32 -0500 (EST) To: obc_spike@yahoo.com (Matthew) From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: toulene? Wasn't a chemical called something like "toulene" mentioned in THE book for tape or glue removal? ================= To: "o b" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:06:19 -0500 From: "jeff sinclair" Subject: Ballot speak That there would be a debate about our election process bothers me. In a perfect world we all joined this group because we were tired of the financialdirection our hobby had taken and were looking for an alternative to a second mortgage so that we could continue to pursue our passion for the game and the men who played it when it too was less a business and more a game. Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that is a purpose of the AC, to maintain that philosophy. In today's world, where dollar signs are hung on everything it is difficult to understand that what this group does has nothing to do withmoney or values. Our investment is feeling good to fill ours and others binders with pieces of cardboard that are torn, taped, written on, and otherwise worthless to the majority of the collecting community. That is what makes us unique. We keep what we give away and we remember the feel of the candy store steps. I think the 3 year rule effectively allows for that notion to "sink in" to all of our members before they are given the chance to serve, it allows us to keep the perspective that baseball is just a game after all, and cards have value only so that we can remember the days that were, and pass on stories of players to our kids and anybody else that will listen to our rambles. I sometimes get the feeling that we are on the verge of losing that and I am grateful to those on the AC who have and will serve to stop that from happening. Although I have met very few of our members, I feel like I have a good idea of who among us will best serve to keep the philosophies under which this group was formed alive and well. I learn a lot about each of you by the posts you write and that others write about you, by the look and feel of your websites, and by the packages that you send. I won't be a three year guy until June (I think), but that has never stopped mefrom voting and if I never receive a nomination I will continue to vote for those that I feel will preserve this groups ideals. The "old guard" knowsbetter than any of us where this group came from and if the same guys are elected year after year that's fine by me, they've earned it. Someday, the rest of us will be the old guard and I can only hope that we too will allowthis group to flourish and keep it unaffected by the likes of Buckett and PSA 10'S. By the way, I'm thinking of sending my set of 71 Topps to be graded. Whats the value of 752 PSA 1'S? Priceless!! ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:02:02 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: AC election - hopefully the end Hi all As the title indicates, hopefully this will be the last of this discussion.I had a feeling it might cause a little bit of a storm, which it did. Again I apologize to anyone I upset. As stated earlier, it wasn't intended to - it was merely intended to let me vent a little, and hopefully give somepeople something to ponder. It was also an attempt to get more people to consider serving on the AC. I appreciate all the comments on the subject, private and public, supportive or not. And thanks to Chris for reminding me of something I had forgotten in my original statement, which was misleading (that there were 150 eligible members). I believe that the rule is in place for a good reason, but it is gratifying to know that there are members of the "new guard" willing to step forth when the time is right. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:07:55 EST To: keithsummers@webtv.net, obc_spike@yahoo.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toulene? toluene works well at removing adhesives, but you have to handle with ================= Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:11:43 EST To: dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Jrhatchjr@aol.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] moof update - part II Jim & others...Its Baking SODA, not Baking powder that absorbs the odors..... Glad to hear the baking soda / candle combo works again....and YES it does remove most animal scents...stains, however, are a different story..... ================= To: "jeff sinclair" , Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:30:11 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ballot speak Cap,well done...Thanks for sending along your note of reason...sometimes these discussions turn sour when we hastily react to another's comment. Emaildoesn't help because it is difficult to use a vocal tone or inflection to emphasize your points or to spread wry sarcasm. But being in any group thissize will sometimes mean putting up with occasional flaps. They are not always harmful, but offer an opportunity to comment and state your piece. That's healthy :) In OBC, after it dies down (and it always does...we're all great guys with common interests, after all...) you still get to share cards, ramblings, ideas & friendships !! That's cool. BTW I still remember the candy store, not the steps. Grouchiest old man in town worked there for his sister who owned the store. He was always afraid that we'd break the glass case that held all that magnificent penny candy (and packs of cards) by leaning on it...we never broke it, but he was nervous about it for what seems my entire childhood. I once went back to that store when I was trying to sneak buying beer. The person behind the counter carded me, and I asked about him. Old Louie wasn't there...he'd passed on, and I think about him now as an old friend. I bought a ton of my cards from 1970 and forward there. Even if he wasn't too crazy about us kids coming into his store...I'll bet he'd enjoy the fact that I still remember him over 30 years later ! Now you can't get those kinda stories in a stamp club... OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff sinclair To: o b Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ballot speak That there would be a debate about our election process bothers me. In a perfect world we all joined this group because we were tired of the financial direction our hobby had taken and were looking for an alternative to a second mortgage so that we could continue to pursue our passion for the gameand the men who played it when it too was less a business and more a game.Maybe I'm wrong but I believe that is a purpose of the AC, to maintain that philosophy. In today's world, where dollar signs are hung on everything it is difficult to understand that what this group does has nothing to do with money or values. Our investment is feeling good to fill ours and others binders with pieces of cardboard that are torn, taped, written on, and otherwise worthless to the majority of the collecting community. That is what makes us unique. We keep what we give away and we remember the feel of the candy store steps. I think the 3 year rule effectively allows for that notion to "sink in" to all of our members before they are given the chance to serve, it allows us to keep the perspective that baseball is just a game after all, and cards have value only so that we can remember the days that were, and pass on stories of players to our kids and anybody else that will listen to our rambles. I sometimes get the feeling that we are on the verge oflosing that and I am grateful to those on the AC who have and will serve to stop that from happening. Although I have met very few of our members, I feel like I have a good idea of who among us will best serve to keep the philosophies under which this group was formed alive and well. I learn a lot about each of you by the posts you write and that others write about you, by the look and feel of your websites, and by the packages that you send. I won't be a three year guy until June (I think), but that has never stopped me from voting and if I never receive a nomination I will continue to vote for those that I feel will preserve this groups ideals. The "old guard" knows better than any of us where this group came from and if the same guys are elected year after year that's fine by me, they've earned it. Someday, the rest of us will be the old guard and I can only hope that we too will allow this group to flourish and keep it unaffected by the likes of Buckett and PSA 10'S. By the way, I'm thinking of sending my set of 71 Topps to be graded. Whats the value of 752 PSA 1'S? Priceless!! Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 00:35:53 -0500 To: keithsummers@webtv.net From: Mark Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toulene? WATCH IT!!!! Toluene is a carcinogen and can be very hazardous. It is volatile and not an easy chemical to work with. Assuming you were to get your hands on some - you must be very careful. Just a word of advise from an old Chemistry major from WSU, I wouldn't mess with toluene as a gum remover unless you are trained to do so and have the proper equipment. Pure Acetone is not much better either. I'm sure it works, both are highly effective organic solvents but there has to be safer methods. Perhaps a dilute solution with acetone like nail polish remover would be okay but be careful with the real stuff fellas. Just had to put up the caution flag on this one - BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > Wasn't a chemical called something like "toulene" mentioned in THE > book > for tape or glue removal? > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Yahoo! Groups Links > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 07:08:28 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: The National The National Convention (www.thenationalconvention.com) will be held in Cleveland this year July 21-25. We've set up a separate mailing list for it, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Its run by Bob Reed. I hope you sign up and I hope to see you in Cleveland. At the National, you can expect more dealers than you ever imagined. OBCers will be sharing motel rooms and rides. We try to hit a baseball game during that weekend (usually Thursday night) and set up the worlds largest swap on Saturday night. The record for OBCers in one place is 20 (give or take a couple). I hope we can shatter it this year. I'll keep reminding people to sign up for the mailing list as the time grows closer. I'm already getting psyched for it. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:36:04 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: The "issue" Hi OBCers, It's been a l o n g time since I've weighed in on any OBC disagreements (did I just hear a big cheer?), but I I've been listening to this 3 year membership rule discussion from the fringes and wanted to tell you guys that it seems to me there is an obvious solution that is getting lost amongst the rhetoric. We have an OBCAC election ongoing. It is generally recognized, by many anyway (certainly Geordie, and he's in a position to know), that we are having trouble with nominations for the advisory committee. All of us have the ability to ask the OBCAC to entertain issues of importance to the club. Therefore, once the election is finished, I am confident that the OBCAC would consider the discussion of whether the 3-year rule is too long, and should be scaled back to 2 years, or up to 3 years, or further define what exactly constitutes a year, or whatever. AND...if the OBCAC doesnt think that's necessary, or that's a problem, then so be it. They would help to solicit nominations from the pool of eligible members, and we proceed. In other words, we inform our elected body that we would like them to consider this for their discussion and possible tweaking, and let them do what we elected them to do. If a significant number of members think it should be changed, then it will be. And if not, then it won't be. Personally, IF we are having problems getting people to accept being nominated, and IF part of that problem is that the membership rule is too strict, then I hope the OBCAC will look at that. And whoever said we'd get over this and eventually another issue will arise was absolutely correct. I remember the long debate over capping the membership, the debate over what consitituted "UV" and therefore what could be listed on the wantlists (I weighed in on that one and lost...I thought UV should be UV, i.e., 1989, but it was set at 1979...), and on and on. It's the nature of an organization with different opinions and elected officials. In the scheme of things, this issue is minor. One final comment- if I felt I could serve on the OBCAC and would be helpful, I would let someone in this club know of my interest so that person could nominate me. I wouldnt be real comfortable nominating myself for anything, but it's not difficult to send an email to someone to say, "Hey, you know my interest, I'm really interested in being nominated for the AC" and letting the rest happen naturally. And NO, I'm not campaigning! Just saying it's not hard to let people know you're interested if in fact you I've tried to become a little more active lately before heading back on active duty in Huntsville for 4 months. Some of you will be seing envelopes of various sizes in your mailboxes soon. Take care, Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN Premium -- free trial offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200359ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:55:05 EST To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: OBAKS!!! Big huge thanks to Brian L. who let me practically split a lot of obaks that we saw on ebay...it was a fantastic purchase and I knocked nearly 50 hits (yes 50) off of my 1910 list. I know Jim and Al also got a few hits on this lot. This was my best pre-war purchase of the last three years! Thanks so much... ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:56:45 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: National hotel Hi gang, I made my reservations for Cleveland a week or two ago through priceline.com. Turns out that it's the same cheap place I stayed at the last time I was out there. This time I hope the A/C is working better... I'll probably have to call to set up the swap session there and see if I can reserve a non-smoking room with twin beds... just in case anyone wants to crash there. It's the Days Inn on Brook Park Rd. near the airport (and close to the IX Center). I think the rate I got was about $26/night, which should leave me some extra money to buy more cards at the show. Actually, with my list, it'll probably be one more card at the show... I'm sending this note to the ramblings server in case some of you would like to be added to the OBC-National e-mail server. I believe I still have moderator status for that and can add your e-mail address to the list upon request. PLMK. Look forward to meeting up with you in Cleveland. The dates for the show are July 21-25 and more info can be found at (http://natlconv.com/national/national2003/) I know it says 2003 in the link, but the site has been updated. TAYL, ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:37:28 -0500 To: talbot1@comcast.net (Mark Talbot), keithsummers@webtv.net From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toulene? As another old chemistry minor, I'll second what Mark says. However, I also remember my days working in the plant, before college, and we basically used to shower in the stuff - it was used to clean everything. Fortunately, it had no long term impact on my mental processes......(LOL) Mark Talbot wrote: >WATCH IT!!!! >    Toluene is a carcinogen and can be very hazardous.  It is volatile >and not an easy chemical to work with.  Assuming you were to get your >hands on some - you must be very careful.  Just a word of advise from an >old Chemistry major from WSU,  I wouldn't mess with toluene as a gum >remover unless you are trained to do so and have the proper equipment. >    Pure Acetone is not much better either.  I'm sure it works, both are >highly effective organic solvents but there has to be safer methods. >Perhaps a dilute solution with acetone like nail polish remover would be >okay but be careful with the real stuff fellas. >    Just had to put up the caution flag on this one - BE WELL!!! >REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK >"Live long and prosper" - Spock > ********************************* > *    Mark S. Talbot             * > *    34030 Chatsworth Drive     * > *    Sterling Heights, MI.      * > *                  48312-4604   * > *    talbot1@comcast.net        * > ********************************* >keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: >>  Wasn't a chemical called something like "toulene" mentioned in THE >> book >> for tape or glue removal? >>     --------------------------------------------------------------- >> Yahoo! Groups Links >>    * To visit your group on the web, go to: >>      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ >>    * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>      OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>    * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >>      Service. ================= Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 20:31:53 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: looking to split 1962 bell brand lot Anyone want to split this lot? All I want is the Maury Wills. eBay item 2787603585 (Ends Feb-22-04 19:31:07 PST) - 1962 BELL BRAND DODGERS 13 CARDS ================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 02:09:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: 1961 and 1962 Posties Available Finished up my 1963 Post set while I was on vacation, picking up the dreaded Manny Jiminez and Frank Thomas short prints. '61, '62 and '63 now finished! I'm pretty psyched. What a long, strange trip THIS has been! A few availables left over from the flurry: 1961 Post Hank Aaron, #107, jagged cut, otherwise nice shape. 1961 Post Gene Conley #124, some wear, otherwise nice shape. 1962 Moose Skowron, #1, some writing, but not disfiguring. Narrative, stats and and picture nice shape. Somebody give these guys a good home! ================= To: , Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:38:18 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Out of town. My friends, I am on my way out of town to go to Memphis in the morning. I am driving there to attend a philosophy conference (where I will be presenting one of the papers that you guys and gals read inside my card flats). The problem is that after Memphis (a five hour drive from home) I will be traveling to South Carolina starting right after my paper around 5:30 pm (ten more hours on the road -- I will get as far as I can before it is no longer safe to drive). I will be in Greenville for a wedding at 2pm, after which I will then drive down to Atlanta to see my Grandmother (three more hours) before I return home on Sunday (seven more) -- I will certainly log a fair number of miles this weekend! I would offer to meet up with any brothers or sisters of cardboard along the way, but with this schedule I honestly do not have any idea how I would fit it in. Regardless, wish me luck at the conference,and I will be back in touch on Monday. John Scott Gray ================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:31:11 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Another time killer I like this one better than smacking the penguin around... and there's no animals harmed in the making of this site. My only advice is to hit around the windmill :-) Oh yeah, if you're supposed to be working, you might want to be sure the boss isn't going to be around for a while. My best so far is 39, but I've only played 3 games. (http://web.mit.edu/wnellie/www/miniputt.swf) Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 08:05:32 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: Virtual collection > I'm tempted by the idea of an electronic collection of some of the more > expensive Red Sox cards out there. Has anyone heard about any potential > legal/copyright issues? Considering the quantity of baseball card pictures on-line (on eBay alone), it doesn't appear that Topps is "cracking down" on such use, even when it's helping people make money. Legal? Maybe not, but still a cool idea. > Plus there is the Tipton Hall of Fame and a collection by Dave Skoglund. > Wayne Delia's CD is in a category by itself. Any others I should know > about and/or check out? Jim Hatch has a bunch of quality Tiptons on his page: http://members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/tipton.html. The descriptions are as good as the cards. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:03:06 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Book Review Just finished "The Teammates" by David Halberstam. The story revolves around Bobby Doerr, Dom Dimaggio, and Johnny Pesky, on their farewell journey to say their goodbye to Ted Williams. Lots of behind the scenes anecdotes about baseball "when it was a game." You do NOT have to be a big Red Sox fan to enjoy this book. I would give it a 9/10. My only complaint is that it was too short, only a couple of hundred pages. I got my copy from the library, but it is certainly one I would consider buying to keep handy. ================= Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:21:55 -0800 (PST) To: Matthew , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virtual collection --- Matthew wrote: > > I'm tempted by the idea of an electronic > collection of some of the more > > expensive Red Sox cards out there. Has anyone > heard about any potential > > legal/copyright issues? > Considering the quantity of baseball card pictures > on-line (on eBay alone), it doesn't appear that > Topps is "cracking down" on such use, even when it's > helping people make money. Legal? Maybe not, > but still a cool idea. The answer I recieved about that subject from my printer was essentially that if you copy a card that you physically own, it's OK for publication. In the case of eBay, that's good because buyers like to see what they're about to buy. For cards that you don't own, a simple note from the owner of the card or image should suffice. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: , Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 18:23:40 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Book Review I agree with Grant--a great read, and I happen to be a Yankee fan. peter mead ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Book Review Just finished "The Teammates" by David Halberstam. The story revolves around Bobby Doerr, Dom Dimaggio, and Johnny Pesky, on their farewell journey to say their goodbye to Ted Williams. Lots of behind the scenes anecdotes about baseball "when it was a game." You do NOT have to be a big Red Sox fanto enjoy this book. I would give it a 9/10. My only complaint is that it was too short, only a couple of hundred pages. I got my copy from the library, but it is certainly one I would consider buying to keep handy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 08:33:00 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Re: Virtual collection Thanks for the kind words Spike! Since I last updated that page (years) I have acquired many more fantastic Tiptons. This gives me incentive to update it and share some more of my trashed Happy Collecting! In a message dated 2/21/2004 5:20:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > > Plus there is the Tipton Hall of Fame and a collection by Dave Skoglund. > > Wayne Delia's CD is in a category by itself. Any others I should > know > > about and/or check out? > Jim Hatch has a bunch of quality Tiptons on his page: > http://members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/tipton.html. The descriptions are as good > as the cards. > -- > Spike ================= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:16:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: I need a roomate I seems after the fine outstanding job Margaret did in securing our hotel accommadtions that i didnt qualify by spending enuff money at the slots (tell that to the black jack dealers). So anyone who can get those fantastic rates with their slot card needs a roomate I would like to ask to be considered I will only need it for friday night and saturday ================= Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 21:40:24 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Ebay "spoof" scam You may have seen these before - just recently got another email stating that ebay priviledges were suspended, and to enter my account and password to remedy - I didn't enter any info, but clicked the link to (unnecessarily) confirm that the ebay return address was faked by the scammer who I'm sure is trying to get account info funneled to his (her ?) website for some kind of rip-off or ================= To: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:52:02 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay "spoof" scam I've gotten three of these in the last week. Forward them to spoof@ebay.com. Don't change any wording or the subject line. Just forward it as is. They claim to investigate these fraudulent emails, so it's worth a shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: ehpiii@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay "spoof" scam You may have seen these before - just recently got another email stating that ebay priviledges were suspended, and to enter my account and password to remedy - I didn't enter any info, but clicked the link to (unnecessarily) confirm that the ebay return address was faked by the scammer who I'm sure is trying to get account info funneled to his (her ?) website for some kind of rip-off or another. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:10:47 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Ebay "spoof" scam -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley [mailto:grains@dccnet.com] Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 7:04 PM To: 'Geordie Calvert' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay "spoof" scam I just got one as well, but being a trained investigator, I immediately became suspicious with the opening line: "Dear valued Ebay costumer" Costumer? Its isn't even Hallowe'en. I've gotten three of these in the last week. Forward them to spoof@ebay.com. Don't change any wording or the subject line. Just forward it as is. They claim to investigate these fraudulent emails, so it's worth a shot. ----- Original Message ----- From: ehpiii@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 6:40 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay "spoof" scam You may have seen these before - just recently got another email stating that ebay priviledges were suspended, and to enter my account and password to remedy - I didn't enter any info, but clicked the link to (unnecessarily) confirm that the ebay return address was faked by the scammer who I'm sure is trying to get account info funneled to his (her ?) website for some kind of rip-off or another. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click Here Service. ================= Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 11:04:01 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay "spoof" scam In a message dated Sat, 21 Feb 2004 19:10:47, "Grant Rainsley" < grains@dccnet.com> writes: > I just got one as well, but being a trained investigator, I immediately > became suspicious with the opening line: > "Dear valued Ebay costumer" > Costumer? Its isn't even Hallowe'en. I'm thinking they somehow may have gotten a look at the card of Grant and Pico and figured that HAD to be someone in costume... and I don't mean the one that looks like a horse :-) Ken M ================= To: Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:04:26 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: We're there! Wade and I have booked our hotel in Cleveland for the National. We will have four things on a our agenda. Check out the National. Check out the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Check out Jacob's Field. Hang with OBC. The Bosox will be about 5 games in front by then. What a great summer! Greg (yaz) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:14:40 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: This weeks thanks >From: "rayluurs" >To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Thanks] This weeks thanks >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 02:44:33 -0000 >ED SCHOTT comes in with a 74 Bert Blyleven card (my Homy if I ever >get it written up) with no back (is that considered a vartiation) of >his waiver wire list. Thanks Ed Homy (or Homey, Homie, etc) sounds like a perfect acronym for the Hall of Mediocrity guys. I can say "I got a card of my Homey - Dean Chance....." However I can't think of any clever acronyms. The only one I came up with is "Hall of Mediocrity Every Year". Anybody else have any suggestions? Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:29:46 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Hall of Mediocrity = HOMer For a variety of reasons, baseball and otherwise, I'd think that "Hall of Mediocrity member" should be a HOMer. Same as HOFer, but with the round-tripper connotation and perhaps a nod towards the Simpsons--a player who did the best with what he had, even if his circumstances and talent weren't the best. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 13:09:34 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: National in Cleveland In a message dated 2/22/2004 9:07:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, yazobc@insightbb.com writes: Wade and I have booked our hotel in Cleveland for the National. We will have four things on a our agenda. Check out the National. Check out the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Check out Jacob's Field. Hang with OBC. The Bosox will be about 5 games in front by then. What a great summer! Greg (yaz) To all those coming to Cleveland, and I hope there are many - As Yaz says the Rock Hall is well worth the trip if you have any interest in music at all. And, if you are of the gridiron bent, remember that the Football Hall of Fame is within an easy 70 minute drive of downtown Cleveland, straight down I-77. While it is certainly not Cooperstown, it is well worth a couple hours of time, and it is very inexpensive (discount coupons readily available). One difference from Cooperstown, there's not a decent card store within 20 miles of here. The Tribe will be in town at Jacobs Field against KC the entire weekend, so that is certainly a possibility. That weekend, they will be celebrating the 10th anniversery of Jacobs Field, with special giveaways incluing a "mini-ballpark" on Friday night. Unlike prior years, tickets should be available at the box office. There are also three outstanding minor league ballparks within an hour of downtown Cleveland, if anyone wants to check those out. And, if you have never been to a National, there is really nothing that compares. The last time, unfortunate scheduling limited me to about 3 hours in the place, hardly enough to even get the taste. And I even scored the best deal of my life - over 300 54-58 cards in outstanding condition for $60. (not expecting to find that one again). So if you are thinking about it, pencil it down, it would be nice to set an alltime OBC meeting record. Bill Malson ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:02:22 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: national? what are dates? thanks, kit okamuro ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:39:19 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: new set added and some availables I just added a 1975 topps mini set to my list- need about 100 have this available,#s-645.644.634.48.65.262.259.257.254.250.249.292.289.305.314.242.241= kit okamuro ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:58:39 -0600 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Your order is being processed Something about you ================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:29:01 EST To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Nationals-- Baseball game From the conversations that have happened so far, I have heard from about 6 people that would like to attend Indians game on Friday night during the weekend of Nationals.. If at all possible can I get a fairly accurate count for the game, or should we just do walk-in John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:46:14 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: can you tell this is a fake? check out ebay item# 2789826295 and let me know that this one is a reprint. I can't see any obvious signs. (other than the "All sales final" and "not sure it is athentic" stuff!, and the 20+ neg feedbacks) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 23:39:43 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell this is a fake? I would definitely stay away. Besides the red flags you pointed out, the white borders on the front look too thick and the TOPPS BASEBALL and PRTD. IN U.S.A. on the back looks like a completely different font than the 52's I >From: "Sean McGowan" >To: "ramblings" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell this is a fake? >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:46:14 -0500 >check out ebay item# 2789826295 >and let me know that this one is a reprint. I can't >see any obvious signs. (other than the "All sales >final" and "not sure it is athentic" stuff!, and the >20+ neg feedbacks) Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the First-time Home Buying Guide. http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx ================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) To: Bob Reed , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell this is a fake? I concur. This seller seems to be covering his bases here...that just makes me uneasy. I love the way he says, "This looks like a 50 year old card" and then in the next sentence clarifies, "I can't tell if this is 50 years old or a reproduction." No need to inform the seller, however; he doesn't seem to care if it's real or not. However, the bidder's going to be disappointed to spend $130 and then find it's not the card he/she was expecting... And yes, the "Topps Baseball" at the bottom of the card back is definitely not the same one found in the '52 set. Take care, --- Bob Reed wrote: > I would definitely stay away. Besides the red flags > you pointed out, the > white borders on the front look too thick and the > TOPPS BASEBALL and PRTD. > IN U.S.A. on the back looks like a completely > different font than the 52's I > have. > -Bob > >From: "Sean McGowan" > >To: "ramblings" > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell this is a > fake? > >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:46:14 -0500 > > > >check out ebay item# 2789826295 > >and let me know that this one is a reprint. I > can't > >see any obvious signs. (other than the "All sales > >final" and "not sure it is athentic" stuff!, and > the > >20+ neg feedbacks) > >Sean > > > Dream of owning a home? Find out how in the > First-time Home Buying Guide. > http://special.msn.com/home/firsthome.armx I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:21:59 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Here's more reason why I don't bother with "game-used" stuff... Here's a story I just read...it seems a former AL umpire has conspired with a dealer to dupe the public into buying "game-used" baseballs that were supposedly used in some significant games the ump officiated (the '78 Yanks/Sox one-game playoff, Ripken's 2191st game, etc.) that weren't worth the cost of the paper the COAs were printed on. Just goes to verify my usual comment about COAs...they really stand for "Cover Our A$$es." I can spend a day making COAs on my computer, so can anybody else... Here's a link: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040224/sp_nm/mlb_baseballs_dc_1 Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 02:10:01 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: virus well...been nearly a decade since my computer had the sniffles but seems I might have a virus sending out e-mails using my address, dont open anything with an attached file from me until i can figure out what is causing it...sorry for the inconvience. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 04:26:57 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: Nationals-- Baseball game, w/story from 2001 Hope we can get a group size that merits an advance purchase--that would be great! Put me down, for sure. It may entertain some (and hopefully not embarrass Bob) to retell a story from the last Cleveland National, where we also attended a game at the Jake, against the same KC Royals. It was the middle innings and not much had happened--I think the Indians led 1-0. Bob Reed's stomach finally got the better of him, or maybe it was time to score some souvenirs for the little ones at home. So Bob walks into the bowels of the stadium just before the top of an inning, KC coming to bat. And boy, did they. First hitter, HR. Second hitter, HR. Third hitter, HR. Fourth hitter, K (awww) Fifth hitter, HR. ...upon which, Bob returned. The game promptly resumed its lugubrious pace, with no further scoring--KC takes it, 4-1. This year, Bob, we'll get the snacks for you. P.S. If I'm remembering an extra homer, btw, correct my memory, but I think I have it right. --- trufan999@aol.com wrote: > From the conversations that have happened so far, I have heard from about 6 > people that would like to attend Indians game on Friday night during the > weekend of Nationals.. If at all possible can I get a fairly accurate count for the > game, or should we just do walk-in > John Leroux > a new card to someone is just a stamp away > My Baseball Collecting Page Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 07:51:57 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nationals-- Baseball game, w/story from 2001 Spike,Your memory is pretty good. Got this at www.retrosheet.org. A great site!thanksBobRead MeKansas City Royals 5, Cleveland Indians 3 DayGame Played on June 29, 2001 (N) at Jacobs Field KC A 0 0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 - 5 9 0 CLE A 0 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 - 3 6 0 BATTINGKansas City Royals AB R H RBI BB K PO A Alicea 3b 5 0 3 0 0 0 1 2 Sanchez ss 5 0 0 0 0 1 1 6 Sweeney 1b 3 1 1 1 1 1 10 0 Randa dh 3 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 Dye rf 4 1 1 2 0 0 3 0 Ibanez lf 3 1 2 1 1 0 1 0 Chavez lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Beltran cf 4 1 1 1 0 2 4 0 Mayne c 4 0 0 0 0 2 4 0 Sadler 2b 4 0 1 0 0 0 3 4 Suppan p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Grimsley p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Hernandez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Totals 35 5 9 5 3 7 27 13 FIELDING - DP: 3. BATTING - HR: Sweeney (18,4th inning off Burba 0 on, 0 out); Dye (11,4th inning off 1 on, 0 out); Ibanez (2,4th inning off Burba 0 on, 0 out); Beltran (9,4th inning off Burba 0 on, 0 out). IBB: Sweeney (6,by Westbrook). BASERUNNING - CS: Alicea (3,2nd base by Burba/Diaz). Cleveland Indians AB R H RBI BB K PO A Vizquel ss 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 4 Burks dh 2 1 0 0 2 0 0 0 Alomar 2b 4 0 1 0 0 0 4 2 Gonzalez rf 4 1 2 2 0 0 2 0 Thome 1b 3 0 0 0 1 1 9 0 Cordova lf 3 1 0 0 0 0 5 0 Fryman 3b 4 0 1 0 0 1 0 4 Lofton cf 3 0 1 1 0 0 1 0 Diaz c 3 0 0 0 0 1 6 2 Burba p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Rodriguez p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Westbrook p 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 Totals 30 3 6 3 3 4 27 13 BATTING - HR: Gonzalez (19,3rd inning off Suppan 1 on, 2 out). HBP: Cordova (2,by Suppan). PITCHINGKansas City Royals IP H HR R ER BB K Suppan W(4-7) 7 5 1 3 3 2 3 Grimsley 1 1 0 0 0 1 0 Hernandez SV(14) 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 Totals 9 6 1 3 3 3 4 Cleveland Indians IP H HR R ER BB K Burba L(8-5) 5.1 7 4 5 5 2 5 Rodriguez 0.2 0 0 0 0 0 1 Westbrook 3 2 0 0 0 1 1 Totals 9 9 4 5 5 3 7 WP: Westbrook (1). HBP: Suppan (2,Cordova). IBB: Westbrook (2,Sweeney). Umpires: Jeff Kellogg, Mike Reilly, Tim Timmons, C.B. Bucknor Time of Game: 2:38 Attendance: 42500 Read Me----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:26 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nationals-- Baseball game, w/story from 2001 > Hope we can get a group size that merits an advance purchase--that would be great! Put me down, > for sure. > It may entertain some (and hopefully not embarrass Bob) to retell a story from the last Cleveland > National, where we also attended a game at the Jake, against the same KC Royals. It was the middle > innings and not much had happened--I think the Indians led 1-0. Bob Reed's stomach finally got the > better of him, or maybe it was time to score some souvenirs for the little ones at home. So Bob > walks into the bowels of the stadium just before the top of an inning, KC coming to bat. And boy, > did they. > First hitter, HR. > Second hitter, HR. > Third hitter, HR. > Fourth hitter, K (awww) > Fifth hitter, HR. > ...upon which, Bob returned. The game promptly resumed its lugubrious pace, with no further > scoring--KC takes it, 4-1. This year, Bob, we'll get the snacks for you. > Spike > P.S. If I'm remembering an extra homer, btw, correct my memory, but I think I have it right. > --- trufan999@aol.com wrote: > > From the conversations that have happened so far, I have heard from about 6 > > people that would like to attend Indians game on Friday night during the > > weekend of Nationals.. If at all possible can I get a fairly accurate count for the > > game, or should we just do walk-in > > > > John Leroux > > > > a new card to someone is just a stamp away > > My Baseball Collecting Page > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 12:41:37 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nationals-- Baseball game, w/story from 2001 Spike, thanks for reminding me about Dave Burba's meltdown. Here's what happend: Bottom of the third with the Tribe up 3-0. I go to the snack bar to get some food. While waiting in line I see the following happen on the TV on the wall. Mike Sweeney leads off the 4th with a home run (score 3-1) Joe Randa is walked. Jermaine Dye hits a home run (score tied 3-3) Raul Ibanez hits a home run (score 4-3 Royals) Carlos Beltran hits a home run (score 5-3 Royals) I return to my seat and the next three guys get out. Final score ends up being 5-3. This year I'll be going to the snack bar when Cleveland's batting! Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ================= To: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:12:49 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: national what are dates? thanks, kit kit okamuro ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:40:37 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: 53 Topps bio variations Grant and I talked today about the '53 bio variations. He's told me that his buddy bought all his cards up in Canada and that all the backs are the same (white bio). Does anyone have information about the geographic distribution of white bios / black bios? I've heard about how '75 minis were only released in certain parts of the country but I've never heard anything about this or any of the other variations we are seeking (like green tints, '52 red/black, 56 white/gray stock). ================= To: , Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:44:08 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus More than likely, the emails that will come from your computer virus will not have your return address but the address of someone in your address bookso it looks like it came from them. Best defense, (besides a ainti virus program), Don't open attachments!!! unless you are expecting it and even then make sure you are expecting it. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus well...been nearly a decade since my computer had the sniffles but seems I might have a virus sending out e-mails using my address, dont open anything with an attached file from me until i can figure out what is causing it...sorry for the inconvience. Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:48:05 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] national July 21 thru 25 I think the 21st is like dealers only or something. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: KIT OKAMURO To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] national what are dates? thanks, kit kit okamuro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:58:24 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Reference book for pins? Josh Levine sent me a cool looking pin of Ted Williams this month. I know its not a 1956 Topps pin but I don't know what set its from. I asked a dealer last weekend (who had some similar stuff) and he said it was a "PMT" pin. I see a couple of PM pins in my 2001 SCD but not these. Anyone have any info? Fortunately, since these appear hard to find, I'm not tempted to add them to my wantlist. ================= To: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:40:10 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: 52 Mantle on ebay After just reading your email. I thought it has to be a fake. After looking at the listing, I felt sure. But wait the seller says that you can "bid with confidence." Looks like no problem. The guy should be tarred and feathered with fresh reprints. George Vrechek ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:32:38 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: E122 Question What do you guys and girls know about the cards in the E122 American Caramel set Series of 80. A Brian Cataquet tells me that he found an unchecklisted card of Oscar Vitt a few years ago and reported it to SCD as the 80th card in the set. The current catalog shows yet another card Stan Bucky Sam? Harris as being the 81st card in what was thought to be a set of 80. Were these two finds big deals to any of you collecting E122? George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:28:43 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: speaking of pins I picked one up the other day its a black and white picture of babe ruth and ted williams shaking hands. the border trim says first meeting of two champions, ted williams and babe ruth. the iset says the only picturetaken inuniform july13,1943boston mass. fenway park. does any one know anything about this? thanks for any help kit okamuro ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 22:49:29 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: '65 Mantle on ebay! I don't usually do this , but aa buy it now of $45 and a dollar for shipping seems fair for someone needing this card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3276744631&category60493 ================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 05:28:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: memphis aba availables I have some dupes of some of the 70's memphis cards if anyone is building these sets.. pls let me know and I will check out your list. and my wantlist is down to 3 if we have any heroes out there. 71/'72 - Memphis Pros > 158 Charlie Williams > 168 Wilbert Jones (pend) > 212 Lee Davis > '72/'73 - Memphis Tams > 221 George Thompson (pend) thanks for the help to Kent Goto, Bob Reid, Mike Rich, Dan Cipra, Mark Talbot, Ed Schott, Kevin Webster(VCT), Brad Norwood (local I also need a couple of Larry Kenon cards from 70's thanks for looking..mark ================= To: , Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 07:47:35 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Lower grade 65s on the Waiver Wire My friends, Here are some lower grade 65 Topps baseball cards that I am putting on the waiver wire. These are not as bad as the last group of cards I put up, butthese do tend to have writing on front (mostly team changes), or back-damage of some kind (but I do not think any card has both -- these are basically one-flaw gems). If you see something you need, just let me know. I do have multiples of some, so if you get the email a little late, don't be afraid to drop me a line as well. 13, 23, 26, 36, 39, 40, 65, 79, 88, 100, 104, 108, 115, 121, 122, 145, 153,161, 163, 184, 189, 241, 244, 265, 269, 273, 297, 315, 366, 367, 370, 407,444, 520, 544, 588, 594. ================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:33:03 EST To: mheilenman@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '65 Mantle on ebay! In a message dated 2/25/04 8:20:16 AM Central Standard Time, mheilenman@comcast.net writes: I don't usually do this , but aa buy it now of $45 and a dollar for shipping seems fair for someone needing this card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3276744631&category=60493 matt: auction ended last nite ================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 19:25:54 EST To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] E122 Question I'm not surprised there are new cards being discovered for this set, and there probably are additional variations for the two similar other American Caramel sets E121-80 and E121-120. Just because these cards are just now "discovered" doesn't mean that they're necessarily rarer than any other card in the series. All E122s are rare to some extent and it could take you several years to locate a copy of a card that has always been on the checklist. It's interesting, but not a huge surprise. What do you guys and girls know about the cards in the E122 American Caramel set Series of 80. A Brian Cataquet tells me that he found an unchecklisted card of Oscar Vitt a few years ago and reported it to SCD as the 80th card in the set. The current catalog shows yet another card Stan Bucky Sam? Harris as being the 81st card in what was thought to be a set of 80. Were these two finds big deals to any of you collecting E122? ================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:57:53 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Suspicious Email (KMM43515617V45818L0KM) I received an email from "paypal" yesterday telling me something funny was going on with my account and it was inactived until I downloaded something and filled it out. Well I could access my account just fine so I did not download it and fill out anything. Instead I sent it to spoof@paypal.com. Their response follows. Be careful. - Doug ================= Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:29:02 EST To: Typecard@aol.com, vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] E122 Question I agree with Andy's statement... The E-121 Series of 80 checklist presently has 136 cards; The E-121 Series of 120 checklist presently has 139 cards. This is not counting the Rare Series of 80 back or the fact that many are printed with 'upside down' backs.I don't believe that a complete "Master" set of E-121 has ever been assembled. As I recall, the late Don McPherson worked on his group for about 50 years, so I imagine he came as close as anyone. E-122's are much more difficult to collect than E-121, generally speaking. In fact, the Krause guide illustrates an E-220 in the section of E-122... ================= To: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 22:54:25 -0500 From: "Joseph Duffy" Subject: Lost wantlists I was updating my wantlist, when my PC locked. When I restarted all my lists were lost. Any ideas on how to get them back, or do I have to relist them. Any help would be appreciated. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:14:55 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Looking for some card show info As most of you are no doubt aware by now, my good wife (as opposed to the bad one) and I are heading Stateside for 4 weeks in April. The first stop is Mesa (near Phoenix) Arizona to visit with my Dad for a while, before heading north to Salt Lake City where I'll be checking out how the local Department of Health operate their communicable disease surveillance systems. Finally, it's off to Vegas for the annual OBC get-together. Since I don't have ready access to any of the usual hobby publications, I was wondering if anyone could find out if there are any card shows scheduled for the Greater Phoenix area between April 22nd and May 4th, or in Salt Lake City on the weekend of May 8th-9th. Obviously, I'd like to take the opportunity to make a few purchases while I've got the chance. If there isn't anything on, I guess I'll just need to keep my pennies for the annual Vegas card shop visit (Is that still on?) Thanks in advance for any info you come up with for me! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: , Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:56:08 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some card show info Check out this site for finding shows. http://www.beckett.com/news/calendar.asp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn" To: Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some card show info > Guys, > As most of you are no doubt aware by now, my good wife (as opposed to the bad one) and I are heading Stateside for 4 weeks in April. > The first stop is Mesa (near Phoenix) Arizona to visit with my Dad for a while, before heading north to Salt Lake City where I'll be checking out how the local Department of Health operate their communicable disease surveillance systems. Finally, it's off to Vegas for the annual OBC > Since I don't have ready access to any of the usual hobby publications, I was wondering if anyone could find out if there are any card shows scheduled for the Greater Phoenix area between April 22nd and May 4th, or in Salt Lake City on the weekend of May 8th-9th. > Obviously, I'd like to take the opportunity to make a few purchases while I've got the chance. If there isn't anything on, I guess I'll just need to keep my pennies for the annual Vegas card shop visit (Is that still on?) > Thanks in advance for any info you come up with for me! > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:05:32 PST From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item# 2788975595: 1953 BOWMAN BB SET B/W NICE STENGEL YANKEES I saw this item for sale at eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM, and thought that you might be interested. Title of item: 1953 BOWMAN BB SET B/W NICE STENGEL YANKEES Seller: videosportscardsplus Starts: Feb-18-04 18:45:18 PST Ends: Feb-28-04 18:45:18 PST Price: Currently $134.50 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=777701&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D2788975595%26category%3D26363%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 Item Description: 1953 BOWMAN BLACK & WHITE BASEBALL SET THIS 64 CARD SET IS ONLY MISSING 1 CARD (THE #60). THESE CARDS WERE NOT ABUSED AND ARE IN REALLY NICE CONDITION. THE CORNERS, EDGES, AND THE CENTERING ARE ALL NEAR-MINT CONDITION ( EXMT AT THE LEAST). ONLY A FEW OF THESE CARDS HAVE ANY SCRATCHES OR SURFACE WEAR, AND NONE ARE REAL NOTICABLE. ONLY 14 OF THE 63 CARDS HAVE CREASES. THE CARDS THAT DO HAVE A CREASE OF ANY SIZE ARE: # 1,2,3,9,14,17,18,19,25,27,32,33,51,64. THE MOST NOTICABLE FLAW WITH THIS SET IS A LIGHT BROWN WATER STAIN. THIS STAIN APPEARS IN THE UPPER RIGHT CORNER OF ALMOST ALL OF THESE CARDS. THIS IS A GREAT VINTAGE SET AND BOOK VALUE IS $3000.00 THIS IS A CONDITION SENSITIVE SET, SO I GUESS THIS AUCTION WILL DETERMINE THE REAL VALUE OF THIS SET.THE MOST VALUABLE CARD IN THIS SET IS THE #39 CARD CASEY STENGEL. THIS CARD HAPPENS TO BE THE BEST CONDITIONED CARD IN THIS SET. NO CREASES, NO STAIN, GREAT SURFACE, GREAT LOOKING CARD, CONDITION: EX.#1 GUS BELL, STAIN AND 3 CREASES.#15 JOHNNY MIZE, NO CREASE! S, HAS STAIN.(W/O THIS STAIN IT WOULD BE EXMT)#27 BOB LEMON 1 CREASE AND STAIN. CONDITION: VG.#28 HOYT WILHELM NO CREASE, HAS STAIN#46 BUCKY HARRIS NO CREASE, VERY LIGHT STAIN. CONDITION: EX#36 JIMMY PIERSALL SMALL STAIN, NO CREASE. CONDITION: EX#64 ANDY HANSEN 2 CREASES, 2 STAINS. CONDITION: FAIRWE JUST BOUGHT A HUGE COLLECTION OF OVER 500,000 CARDS. WE WILL BE LISTING BASEBALL STARTER SETS FROM 1970-1980. KEEP AN EYE ON OUR AUCTIONS FOR MORE STARTER SETS.CHECK OUT ALL OF OUR OTHER ITEMS CURRENTLY ON EBAY!! SHIPPING & HANDLING $8.00 SHIPPED UPS AND INSURED $ACTUAL UPS CHARGES. WE DO NOT SELL illegal bootleg tapes, copies, screeners, or any type of illegally burned CD's!The movies and games we sell are original and ALWAYS GUARANTEED TO WORK! After the auctions ends, the highest bidder will be notified and given payment instructions from PayPal. If you are paying with PayPal it is not necessary to wait for notification, you can just send your payment to GMORRIS63@COMCAST.NET HAPPY BIDDING!! Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 02:37:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Picture Disk Wanted! Awhile back, I think somebody mentioned having a disk or website with oodles of individual player pictures, probably card pictures on it? At the time, I thought that was tremendously neat, but didn't have an immediate need for it. Now I do! Strat-o-matic has added a picture option to their game, and I'd love to be able to use that picture collection with the game engine. Does anybody remember the who/what/where of this wonderful item? ================= Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 00:23:51 +0800 To: OBC-ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Travel Itinerary Hi All, Well here's what the plan is right now. These are the flight arrangements. I should be able to meet at least one OBCer in Vancouver (Grant will you be there?) for that 1 1/2 hour layover with a plane change. Then on to Chicago for an hour (short meeting with more friends?) with a plane change before getting into DC at midnight and checking into the Marriott Residence Inn at Pentagon City, (703) 413-6630. If you call for me, I'm registering as Harold Miller. Lynn is my middle name, but have to use Harold for the official plastic charge stuff. I'll have all day Sunday available up until late afternoon. There is a social that I must attend for the Retiree Council on Sunday evening. Then I will be attending the meetings Mon-Fri, 5-9 April. Not sure how much time in the evenings I will have, been told we will have some homework to do on the various committees we will be on. We are cut loose around noon on Friday. I'd like to take Friday, if possible, and go to an Orioles game with as many as want to come. I'm trying to get my sons in the Navy in Norfolk to meet me that day also and leave Saturday morning to drive to my sister's house in Philadelphia until my departure. Like to meet as many in that area as I can, family coming first of course. But if at all possible, would also like to take a short commuter trip to the Boston area to meet real good friends, and possibly pay a surprise visit to Roberta. Could only be for a few hours. There might not be time for this, but darn it I'm gonna try. I don't have a lot of time this trip. But perhaps in the next couple of times, I can plan on making some other side trips. If there are changes, will let you know. See some of you soon. Until then, I'm on pins and needles, Lynn Flight: Philippine Airlines flight 106 (Non-Stop) Depart: Manila, Philippines (MNL) - CENTENNIAL 2 " Sat, Apr 03 at 4:15pm Arrive: Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR) - MAIN TERMINAL " Sat, Apr 03 at 12:20pm Flight: Air Canada flight 5104 operated by UNITED AIRLINES (Non-Stop) Depart: Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR) - MAIN TERMINAL " Sat, Apr 03 at 1:59pm Arrive: Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD) - TERMINAL 1 " Sat, Apr 03 at 8:00pm Flight: United Airlines flight 628 (Non-Stop) Depart: Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD) - TERMINAL 1 " Sat, Apr 03 at 9:00pm Arrive: Washington DC-Reagan (DCA) - TERMINAL C " Sat, Apr 03 at 11:38pm Flight: United Airlines flight 883 (Stops: 1) Depart: Philadelphia, PA (PHL) - TERMINAL D " Tue, Apr 13 at 10:00am Arrive: Tokyo, Japan Narita (NRT) - TERMINAL 1 " Wed, Apr 14 at 4:00pm Flight: Japan Airlines flight 745 (Non-Stop) Depart: Tokyo, Japan Narita (NRT) - TERMINAL 2 " Wed, Apr 14 at 6:20pm Arrive: Manila, Philippines (MNL) - INTERNATIONAL 1 " Wed, Apr 14 at 9:40pm ================= To: "'Lynn Miller'" , Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 08:39:10 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Travel Itinerary Lynn- try to stop me from being there. Hi All, Well here's what the plan is right now. These are the flight arrangements. I should be able to meet at least one OBCer in Vancouver (Grant will you be there?) for that 1 1/2 hour layover with a plane change. Then on to Chicago for an hour (short meeting with more friends?) with a plane change before getting into DC at midnight and checking into the Marriott Residence Inn at Pentagon City, (703) 413-6630. If you call for me, I'm registering as Harold Miller. Lynn is my middle name, but have to use Harold for the official plastic charge stuff. I'll have all day Sunday available up until late afternoon. There is a social that I must attend for the Retiree Council on Sunday evening. Then I will be attending the meetings Mon-Fri, 5-9 April. Not sure how much time in the evenings I will have, been told we will have some homework to do on the various committees we will be on. We are cut loose around noon on Friday. I'd like to take Friday, if possible, and go to an Orioles game with as many as want to come. I'm trying to get my sons in the Navy in Norfolk to meet me that day also and leave Saturday morning to drive to my sister's house in Philadelphia until my departure. Like to meet as many in that area as I can, family coming first of course. But if at all possible, would also like to take a short commuter trip to the Boston area to meet real good friends, and possibly pay a surprise visit to Roberta. Could only be for a few hours. There might not be time for this, but darn it I'm gonna try. I don't have a lot of time this trip. But perhaps in the next couple of times, I can plan on making some other side trips. If there are changes, will let you know. See some of you soon. Until then, I'm on pins and needles, Lynn Flight: Philippine Airlines flight 106 (Non-Stop) Depart: Manila, Philippines (MNL) - CENTENNIAL 2 " Sat, Apr 03 at 4:15pm Arrive: Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR) - MAIN TERMINAL " Sat, Apr 03 at 12:20pm Flight: Air Canada flight 5104 operated by UNITED AIRLINES Depart: Vancouver, BC, Canada (YVR) - MAIN TERMINAL " Sat, Apr 03 at 1:59pm Arrive: Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD) - TERMINAL 1 " Sat, Apr 03 at 8:00pm Flight: United Airlines flight 628 (Non-Stop) Depart: Chicago-Ohare, IL (ORD) - TERMINAL 1 " Sat, Apr 03 at 9:00pm Arrive: Washington DC-Reagan (DCA) - TERMINAL C " Sat, Apr 03 at 11:38pm Flight: United Airlines flight 883 (Stops: 1) Depart: Philadelphia, PA (PHL) - TERMINAL D " Tue, Apr 13 at 10:00am Arrive: Tokyo, Japan Narita (NRT) - TERMINAL 1 " Wed, Apr 14 at 4:00pm Flight: Japan Airlines flight 745 (Non-Stop) Depart: Tokyo, Japan Narita (NRT) - TERMINAL 2 " Wed, Apr 14 at 6:20pm Arrive: Manila, Philippines (MNL) - INTERNATIONAL 1 " Wed, Apr 14 at 9:40pm Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 14:18:12 -0500 To: OBC-ramblings From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: 1966 Mickey Mantle on ebay...9 hours left Hey Everyone, If you are looking for a cheap Mantle this one ends in 9 hours and I suspect it will end for $10-12. Its missing the bottom left corner, but if you need the card it still works. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? Also if anyone needs 1972 Topps #100 Frank Robinson let me know...I got like 6 or 7 of them ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:38:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: 1977 Topps Cloth Sticker PUZZLES I've discovered another puzzle set! But I can't find any pictures to show me what the puzzle will look like. If anyone has a picture of the completed puzzle or can describe it, I'd appreciate it. I may even have some of these already but not know it. ================= To: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:52:10 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: looking for 77 cloth cards need #s>-7,15,32,38,41,56-73. lmk if you can help. thanks,kit kit okamuro ================= To: Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:43:42 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: another passing When I mentioned last month, at the passing of Trish's father, that hermother was also very ill, several of my OBC friends asked me to keep them posted on her condition. She passed away last night. Annie was born in England and met Ray during the WWII. They married andshe came across in an ocean liner after the war. They settled in Evansville and she became a US citizen, wife, mother of three daughters and grandmother to six. She is missed already. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:06:37 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net From: Brett Domue Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1034 Two puzzles in fact. One is an AL All Star Team Photo, the other an NL All Star Team Photo. Some pieces just include legs and part of the description, some include the players. Message: 5 Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 22:38:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: 1977 Topps Cloth Sticker PUZZLES I've discovered another puzzle set! But I can't find any pictures to show me what the puzzle will look like. If anyone has a picture of the completed puzzle or can describe it, I'd appreciate it. I may even have some of these already but not know it. ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:31:51 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: HOM / HOF ================= To: , Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:35:51 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Ink For Your Printer? My friends, I have an HP 51629A Black Printer Cartridge, if anyone needs it. Before I threw this away, I thought I would see if anyone in these could use it. Itworks on HP DeskJet 600, 660, 670, 672, 680, 682, 690, 692, 693, 694; HP DeskWriter 600, 660, 680; HP OfficeJet 500, 520, 570, 580, 590, 600, 610, 630, 635; and HP Printer/Scanner/Copier 370, 380. It is new and in the box (we bought a new printer so we no longer needed it). Just let me know and it will be yours. John Scott Gray ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:20:07 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ink For Your Printer? In the same vein as John - I have 2 color and 2 black printer cartridges that would fit a Canon BJC 4000 printer - I'd be happy to share them with someone that could put them to use. Bill Malson In a message dated 2/29/2004 2:41:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, meyergray@msn.com writes: > My friends, > I have an HP 51629A Black Printer Cartridge, if anyone needs it. Before I > threw this away, I thought I would see if anyone in these could use it. It > works on HP DeskJet 600, 660, 670, 672, 680, 682, 690, 692, 693, 694; HP > DeskWriter 600, 660, 680; HP OfficeJet 500, 520, 570, 580, 590, 600, 610, 630, > 635; and HP Printer/Scanner/Copier 370, 380. It is new and in the box (we > bought a new printer so we no longer needed it). Just let me know and it will be > yours. > Regards, ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:59:45 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PTCs=Personal Trading Cards / OBC=26 VCT=13 I have good news & bad news. The good news is I have found the most flexible printer so far, as far as our options are concerned. They (Minuteman Press) have also given me the best price so far! The bad news is, as I predicted, I have been unable to get into the area of the $25 for 100 cards range without going to B&W fronts or blank backs. Here's the deal: 4 colors on one front, black on back, 50 for $35 (.70 each), 100 for $40 (only .40 each!), 200 for $50 (I'd assume based on the extra 50 cards fee above) & if so that's only .25 each! 2.5" x 3.5" size 100 LB stock 15 people minimum needed She said we can submit our own design & number them however we want. These will be done in house (digital copies I think she said) so there is no S&H fees. She will do a stack of one person for me to check the quality, before continuing. To compare: Big League Cards was $69 for 100 (.69 each) OR $79 for 200 (.35 each) and I'm not sure if that covers S&H or not. WWW.AllCoaches.com is $50 for 100 OR $80 for 200 "BUT" you get a 15% discount if we get 11 or more people. So that drops the price to $42.50 for 100 (.425 each) OR $68 for 200 (.34 each) but once again I do not know if that includes S&H. If someone is near Roanoke, VA maybe they could pick them up to avoid any S&H anyway? Ameripress was $55 for 50 OR $59/100=.59 each. For 200 it'd be about $68 (.34 each). They send them out of house so S&H MIGHT vary depending on how many people & cards are involved. Other words it MIGHT be if we get for example, 15 people x 100 cards each=1500 cards, that they would all be shipped back at once to Ameripress for $15 total. If so that'd only be $1 per person added on to the above fees, as opposed to 1 person getting 100 they'd PROBABLY charge $4 for S&H. But even at $1 per person that'd still be $60/100=.60 each. Has anyone else checked with their local printer? Who can come up with a design for us? I can probably take her a card & she could slightly modify it so as to not violate any Topps copyrights. Here's the list of people who have expressed interest depending on the OBC VCT 1-Rittenerg Rittenberg 2-Matt S. Matt S. 3-Talbot Talbot 4-Keith Keith 5-Goetsch Goetsch 6-JSG JSG 7-Stufflestreet Stufflestreeet 8-Pat W. Don Roth 9-Matt H. Thayer 10-Ken M. Everard 11-Knowles John L. 12-Friar Tony H. 13-Sal D. Alex P. 14-Doug Smith 15-Jason U. 16-Mike Rich 18-Kit O. 19-Ray L. 21-Earl K. 22-John H. ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:13:30 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Baseball Theme Unit: PTCs / Andy Cook /TOLUENE on COPS! ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:11:32 EST To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Baseball in Paradise I know all my Yankee friends are dying for baseball season to start and are looking forward to attending your first game of the season. Well, Debbie and I just returned from Mobile, where we watched my #18 ranked Ole Miss Rebels (6-0) complete a 3 game sweep of the University of South Alabama by the score of 13-11. There was stiff wind toward left field and the aluminum-batted balls were flying. Remember the name, Stephen Head, Ole Miss' All-American Soph. He started at first base, and went 3-4, with a walk, a HR, and a double. Then he came in as the closer in the eighth and got 6 straight outs, with 5 I am hoping the Rebels will be in Omaha in June!!! The game was a lot of fun and the quality of play may have been higher than the Braves will achieve this year!!! Take care, I have to rest up now for my golf game tomorrow!!! Brock H. ================= Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:14:06 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: PTC front design poll nominations I have info packs on the way from a couple companies. Also check out this site: www.mintcards.com (formerly Sport Shots). Maybe someone will see a great design in there for us? I will go to a neighbor's house to view it Monday as with webtv I can't open PDF stuff to see what they have & I don't see the prices either. It has been suggested that I create a poll to see what front design is liked the most if we decide to go with a recognizable design. Alex Phillips can take that design, slligtly modify it & (I think) he said even do the layout since he is a graphic artist. At any rate, the poll can proceed to get a rough idea of what we want, regardless of who does the layout/set up or whatever. The poll really should only be for those that are likely to participate in the set. Figure about $37 for 50 cards, $42 for 100 cards OR $53 for 200 cards. This is the most it should cost. If we can do some of the work ourself as far as design & layout then it'll likely drop some. So if you have a card set design of any year/brand/sport you'd like us to consider for the FRONT of our cards, email me at < KeithSummers@webtv.net >. The first 25 will be in the poll. If we get more than 25 then we may have to do 2 polls &/or have a run off. If you have your own custom design or a card of anything you want considered for the design, email it (or better yet post it on a page & send the URL) & I'll add it to the polI. If anyone has another idea or suggestion, both groups are open for discusion as far as I'm concerned. When the polling starts, if you are unable to figure out the voting procedure, then you will be allowed to email in your vote but please post it for all to see. I'll go ahead & nominate 2. Remember to list the YEAR, BRAND & SPORT! 1-1974 Topps baseball 2-1977 Topps baseball