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Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:12:50 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Type set update and thanks to many

I wanted to thank all the guys that have helped me launch my new Typs set.
It is a ball working this collection. I would highly recommend it to anyone
looking for something else to do. I have pasted the list of what I have  here.
If by chance you have an extra odd ball card, please send it to me and I  look
forward to sending a reward back.

MY TYPE SET COLLECTION (1 card from every set ever printed) this is a list
of what I HAVE: man, a LONG way to go!!

1909-1911 T212 Obak
1909-1911  T206
1909 E90-1
1911 T205 sov/dk grn
1911 T205 Pied/fact 42
1911  T205 Sw Cap/fact 42, red
1911 T205 Honest
1911 T205 Polar Bear
1911  Helmar Stamp
1912 T207 Recruit
1912 Hassan T202 Tri fact 30
1912 Hassan  T202 Tri fact 649
1914 B-18 Blanket
1921 W516-2 CIFS
1921-23 E  220
1922 W 572
1922 E 121 set of 120
1922 E 121 set of 80
1923 W  515
1927 W 560 all black
1927 E 126
1928 Yuenglings
1930  Zeenut
1933 Goudey
1933 V 353 Can. Goudey
1934 Match  silv/orange
1934 Goudey LG says
1934-36 R 327 Diamond Stars
1935-36  Baseball in green
1936 Goudey-Nat Chick Fine Pen
1936 Goudey-Nat Chick  Wide Pen
1938 Goudey w/cartoon
1939 Play Ball
1940 Play Ball
1941  Play Ball
1941 Double lay
1943 MP & Co.
1948 Bowman
1949 Bond  Bread
1949 Bowman
1950 Royal Desserts
1950 Bowman
1951 Berk  Ross
1951 Topps Red back
1952 Wheaties
1952 Indians Num Num
1952  Berk Ross
1953 Exhibit
1953 Bowman Color
1953 Bowman B&W
1953  Jonston Cookies
1953 Topps
1954 Johnston Cookies
1954 Bowman
1954  Topps
1955 Bowman
1955 Topps Double Header
1955 Topps
1956  Topps
1957 Topps
1958 Topps
1959 Topps
1959 Fleer TW
1960  Topps
1961 Topps
1961 Nu Card "Scoops"
1961 Fleer
1962 Post  Reg
1962 Topps Venez
1962 Sharriff Coin
1962 Salada Coin
1962  Topps
1963 Topps
1963 Fleer
1964 Topps Stand Ups
1964 Topps  Giants
1964 Topps
1965 Topps
1965 Topps Emboss
1966 Topps
1966  OPC
1967 Topps
1967 OPC
1967 Topps Red Sox Pitcher
1968  Topps
1968 KHKA Radio
1968 Topps Game Card
1969 Topps
1969 Topps  Deckle edge
1969 Topps Decal
1970 Topps
1970 Topps Story  booklet
1970 Topps cratch off
1970 kellogs
1970 La Pizza
1971 Milk  Duds
1971 Topps
1971 OPC
1971 Topps Coins
1972 Topps
1972  OPC
1972 Kellogs
1972 Kellogs All Time Greats
1973 Topps  Checklist
1973 Topps
1974 Topps
1974 Topps Traded
1974  Weston
1974 Laughlin
1975 Topps
1975 OPC
1975 Topps Mini
1975  Hostess
1975 SSPC Puzzle Back
1976 Topps
1976 Topps Cloth  Sticker
1976 Hostess-Twinkie
1976 Hostess Black
1976 Hostess  Brown
1976 Hostess Panel
1976 Topps
1976 Topps traded
1976  Kellogs
1976 SSPC
1977 Hostess Twinkie
1977 Topps
1977 OPC
1978  Topps
1978 OPC
1978 Kellogs
1978 RC Cola Iron On
1979 Topps
1979  OPC
1979 Yankee Burger King
1980 Topps
1980 OPC
1980 Kellogs
1980  TCMA All Time Dodgers
1980 TCMA Min Lg

=================

To: "'Brian Lindholme'" <familytoad@charter.net>,
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:54:05 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] How bad do you want to collect cards?

Yep- truly a Canadian word..that's what we try to do when there is
cardboard coming in, but not much going out..Ketch-up.
OBC World,
I just looked up some of them big words in my bi-lingual dictionary...it
turns out that
"Process Addictions" is a Canadian phrase for 62 Green Tints.

They like their Ketchup in Canada too...there could be some fancy word
for that too...

<just kidding>
OBC Forever

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To: <ChicoD1@aol.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:11:35 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>
Subject: 1960 Back variations

Sal asked about the ease of distinguishing the different back colors on cards
#375 thru 440 in 1960 Topps. The common background is gray. The slightlyharder
is a cream colored white. There is also a very white card back thatis
much scarcer.  I have a picture of all 3 backs and the white backs and cream
backs are noticeably different. I'll email Sal a sample of the 3 different
backs as well as some other variations. If anyone else is interested,let
me know.
George Vrechek
=================

Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 21:08:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: thanks

Thanks out to NEAL THOMAS for 2 54 Bowmen, Bob  Bannon

=================

Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 09:09:44 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com
Subject: final head count

Hey all its friday just getting a final head count on whos attending the FT
wash show tomorrow (sat the 4th) let me know
Rob G

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 00:04:53 -0600
From: "Rex E. Stahlman II" <enduroking@cableone.net>
Subject: Ted Williams Autograph

To All,

I know there are quite a few Ted Williams fans out there and I have a
question.  I went to an estate auction and bought an autographed 8x10 of
the Great One.  It has no LOA or anything else.  The autograph looks
real to me, even after comparing it to others on E-Bay.  I was hoping
that some of ya'll out there might take a look at it and let me know
what you think.  I'm not going to attach it because I know that the
members that get the digest form won't get it anyway.  So, if there are
any helpers that are interested in this, just drop me a quick note and
I'll send you the .jpg files.  I made 2 of them, 1 - regular size and
another Big one to get a closer look.  I got the picture extremely cheap
so even if it's a fake, I won't be heartbroken.  It will still look good
hanging next to the OTHER greatest hitter in Baseball, Tony Gwynn!!
BTW, I passed on an auto BB of Bob Feller that went for $50 and a
"graded" newspaper clipping of Babe Ruth that also went for about $50.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks Ya'll,

Rex Stahlman

Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays

=================

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:37:48 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: 2 new sets added thnx to FT WASH
From: Celenox@aol.com
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:17:00 EST
Subject: 2 new sets added thnx to FT WASH
To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com

hi all, i added 2 new sets thanx to ft wash any help would be greatly
appreciated thanx
Rob Gioia
1952 BOWMAN
1, 2, 3, 4, 5,  7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21,  22, 23,
24, 25, 26, 27,  29, 30,  33, 34,  36, 37, 38, 39, 42,  43, 44, 45, 46, 47,
48, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 56, 57,  59, 60, 61, 62, 63,  64, 65, 66, 67,  69, 70,
72, 73, 74, 75,  78, 79,  81, 82,   84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93,
94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102,  103, 105, 106, 107,  110,  113, 114,
116, 117, 118, 120, 121,   124, 125, 126, 127,  132, 133, 134, 136, 137,  139,
140, 141, 142,  145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154,  156, 157,
158, 159, 160,  161,  163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174,
175, 176,  177,  179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191,
192, 193,  194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206,
207, 208, 211,  212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217,  219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224,
225, 226, 227,  228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240,
241, 242, 243,  244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252,

1954 BOWMAN
1, 2, 3,  5, 6, 7,  9, 11,  13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20,  21, 22, 23,
27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38,  39,  41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46,
47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53,  55,   57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67,
68, 69, 70,  72, 73, 74, 75,  76, 77, 78, 79, 81, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89,
90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97,  98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106,
107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113,  114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120,  122, 123,
124,  126, 127, 128,  129, 131, 133, 134, 135,  137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142,
143, 144, 145, 146,  147, 148, 149, 150,  153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 158, 159,
160,  162,  163, 164, 167, 168, 169, 171, 173, 174, 176, 177, 179, 180, 181,
183, 184,  185,  187, 189, 190,  192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200,
201, 202, 203,  205, 206, 207, 208, 210, 211, 212, 213, 215, 216, 217, 218,
219, 220, 221,  224

=================

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:06:39 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Anybody here know Al Crisafulli?

I recieved a package from Al Crisafulli, who told me
he got my wantlist from the OBC site.  He sent some
great cards (six hits to the '68 Topps set).  Only
problem is...I seem to have lost his emails.

If anybody has his contact info, I'd like to let him
know the cards arrived and find out where to send the
cards I pulled for him.

Take care,

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=================

Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:06:13 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com
Subject: checklist for 1972-3 topps hockey

Does anyone have all the numbers from 1 to 176 in a file ?
I remember writing basic programs as a kid to print out checklists on an
Apple II computer, back when I knew how to program a computer.  I wrote a program
that would sort 1979 Topps wantlists numerically, by team, or by player and
print the card number, player, and team.  Good thing I have folks at my office
now who know how to get these things to work.

=================

Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 22:11:39 -0500
To: ehpiii@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Dan Austin <dan@iamdanaustin.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist for 1972-3 topps hockey

There's a useful file on the OBC website that will help with this...

http://www.oldbaseball.com/funstuff/numbers.html

- Dan

At 10:06 PM 12/6/2004, ehpiii@aol.com wrote:
>Does anyone have all the numbers from 1 to 176 in a file ?
>I remember writing basic programs as a kid to print out checklists on an
>Apple II computer, back when I knew how to program a computer.  I wrote a
>program that would sort 1979 Topps wantlists numerically, by team, or by
>player and print the card number, player, and team.  Good thing I have
>folks at my office now who know how to get these things to work.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:28:42 -0600
From: "Greg \(yaz\)" <yazobc@insightbb.com>
Subject: OBC Santa

Did I miss getting in again this year? I sent a response over a month ago but
haven't heard back.

Greg (yaz)
=================

Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 07:31:41 -0500
To: yazobc@insightbb.com ("Greg \(yaz\)"), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa

If I was given a name,  I did not receive it either.
Brock H.

"Greg \(yaz\)" <yazobc@insightbb.com> wrote:

>Did I miss getting in again this year? I sent a response over a month ago but haven't heard back.
>Greg (yaz)

=================

Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:07:58 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mark zentkovich" <mzentko@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: coin collector help

my daughter and I are working on a set of nickels 62-96.

we have a few holes in the 60's we need help with, if anyone has any
extras they can trade for cards..

I can email the list to anyone interested.

thanks, mark

=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:11:40 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
Subject: My last word about Johnny Hustle...

A couple of weeks ago I blasted Johnny Hustle in this
forum for blacklisting me from bidding on any of his
auctions after I had trouble with my computer.

Now, thanks to SAL DOMINO...the block has been lifted!
I can now bid in his eBay auctions.  But I will say
this...if I win some more stuff from him and my
computer crashes again, I'll realize that there is a
"higher power" telling me that I need to stay away,
and I won't hold the seller accountable.

Thanks again to Sal for doing the yeoman work on this,
and I rescind my earlier statements about him.

Take care,

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=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 15:55:25 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com
Subject: help with 8 card sheets

Can anyone help me out with a few card sheets that hold the 55/55 bowmans?
ive looked around here i cant find them i didnt even see them in FT wash. If
anyone can help me out with them It woulbe greatly appreciated

=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 17:21:29 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: HAPPY CHANUKAH

Wishing all our Jewish friends out there in OBCland a Happy Chanukah as
we celebrate the miracle of light.

Earl & Phyllis

=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 19:28:57 EST
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Ft. Washington report and thanks

Hi all,
Just got back home and settled in from my weekend in Philly. I went down
there with the usual prospects of finding nothing and returned with the usual
result of having spent too much. As a result, I have added another football set
to my list and officially declared myself insane. No, not because of the
football set - although many would question my sanity for going after the 1965
Topps set, (tallboys) which has a billion short prints and the Namath RC in it...
although I am a good ways along with it now. My other main purchases included
a couple dozen hits to my 1959 Fleer set (#2 - but that doesn't make me crazy
either). While roaming the aisles, I stumbled across a pile of Red Man cards
at one table. Since I'm now collecting all the sets besides 1952 (which I
completed), I took a quick look at the stack. Alas, most of them were from the
aforementioned 1952 set, but there were a few stars in the pile and a couple
other years too. I asked the dealer what the whole stack might cost and he said to
make an offer. After counting 47 cards, I offered roughly $3 each for the lot
- he countered with $4 or so per card and the deal was done. Why did I agree?
Because there's variations in all the Red Man sets... heaven help me. (Sal,
this could be you in a few years <G>) So my new wantlist will include an
expiration date for the offer on the back of the Red Man cards... at least for the
1952 set for now. There might be a little sanity left in me yet - at least
until I come upon another pile of Red Man cards at some future show. I'm only
doing the untabbed set - for monetary reasons, so a 208 card master set is not in
the works (see Mike Rich, who is clearly out of his mind for that - lol). I
have a card to swap for almost all the cards in the set if you have any you're
willing to trade to help fill my binder (which now resides in a padded room).
This e-mail is a little tardy since I had to type it with a pencil sticking out
of my mouth - I just can't seem to get this sweater with the long sleeves
off. Anyway, a quick thank you out to Steve Rittenberg, who has tirelessly looked
for cards on my list which I'm just too lazy to go through the bargain boxes
in search of. Notables crossed off the list this weekend include high number
1964 Topps cards of Kaat and Maz, plus a pair of 74-75 hoop cards from my one
remaining non-variation set including a Bobby Jones RC and a SCP high number
hit to my (ahem, second) 1960 Leaf set. THANKS STEVE!!
It was great meeting up with OBC'ers over the course of the weekend,
since it not only kept me away from spending more money at the tables, but it's
always great to just relax and shoot the breeze with like-minded individuals
(although probably none of them have totally lost it like I have - YET). Thanks
also to Spike, Steve, Rob, Tim, Howard, Fuge, Matt, Jason and Peter (hope I
didn't leave anyone out, but if I did, it's not my fault because I've lost my
mind). Special kudos to Joe Greco, who not only made a brief appearnace at the
show, but put up with me yet again for the weekend. I'm now off to keep myself
busy and not think about all the different versions of sets that aren't on my
list. TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 20:43:58 EST
To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My last word about Johnny Hustle...

Just doin' my OBC job dude... If you ever run into a computer crash, call me
on the phone and I'll pass the word to Johnny <g>!

========Original Message========
Subj:   [OBC-Ramblings] My last word about Johnny Hustle...
Date:   12/7/2004 1:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet)
To:    obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com

A couple of weeks ago I blasted Johnny Hustle in this
forum for blacklisting me from bidding on any of his
auctions after I had trouble with my computer.

Now, thanks to SAL DOMINO...the block has been lifted!
I can now bid in his eBay auctions.  But I will say
this...if I win some more stuff from him and my
computer crashes again, I'll realize that there is a
"higher power" telling me that I need to stay away,
and I won't hold the seller accountable.

Thanks again to Sal for doing the yeoman work on this,
and I rescind my earlier statements about him.

Take care,

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:15:49 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Books and Variations and assorted thoughts

You're killing me LOL.  OK Red Man's are wayyyy down the list right now.
Hopefully at some point soon, I'll sit at my computer and put at least the 70s
down on paper and send out a preview. If my scanner keeps giving me scan lines, I
may have to ask Santa for a new one. I just wish they still made a small
scanner that did photos (5x7 or less) only :-(.

On another front.  I just picked up the 2003 SCD Bible for $6.20 shipped!
And it was brand new.  If you guys are looking for books, hit Amazon and go into
the used section.  I also got Sparky Lyle's book (The Year I Owned the
Yankees) for .99 plus shipping. Can't beat that!

Sure wish I could have made Fort Washington this weekend, but I have a room
in sheetrock shambles. I just put the 1967Ts together and should have that
posted by 2006. EEK, I think I'm going to need some counseling for this variation
quest. And Ken, I'll send you a scan of that 68 McCormick card sometime just
to make you drool LOL. Toughest part of these variations for me has been those
71s with the red and orange helmets.  You see, I have a color blindness to
shades of red and green, so all the helmets look purple to me <g>.  And the damn
73 Mgr cards will drive anyone to drink!

Has anyone checked the Cubs sched to see if they are home during the
National?  Would rather hit Wrigley than see the W. Sox.

I think the term "Morganti-esque" should be in the OBC dictionary for long
ramblings like this one. I used to write em like that, glad I wasn't attached
with the moniker :-).

Does Secret Santa need any help? I hope to hit the card shops this week to
find something, but I don't know for who yet.

Keith, the samples really look good for PTC. You've really busted your ass on
this one.  I don't envy all the work you've put into it. The cards will get
here when they get here.  Just make sure there aren't any damn color variations!

Chris, my pleasure helping you out with Johnny Hustle. His prices are a
little high, but he does have a nice assortment of stuff for sure.

Well that about covers things for now. Hopefully I can get these stacks of
cards in the mail this weekend.  Remember this is the OBC time of year. The
spirit of this group year round really makes for what the holidays are supposed to
be about.  Give a kid a pack of baseball cards, his/her face will light up!

=================

Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 18:40:40 -0800 (PST)
To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Books and Variations and assorted thoughts

--- ChicoD1@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone checked the Cubs sched to see if they are
> home during the
> National?  Would rather hit Wrigley than see the W.
> Sox.

If I read the schedule right, the Cubs will be at home
between July 27-30.  If there's another OBC outing,
I'll likely be in a nearby seat.

> I think the term "Morganti-esque" should be in the
> OBC dictionary for long
> ramblings like this one. I used to write em like
> that, glad I wasn't attached
> with the moniker :-).

Yeah, but "Domino effect" has an entirely different
meaning altogether...I'm not sure if that would have
stuck anyway.

And I really need to be quiet about that myself...with
some of the feature-length epistles I've filed on the
servers, I'm likely to get tagged for my own verbosity
(for those of you who didn't take the SAT...that means
I'm somewhat long-winded when I write).  See?  I'm
doing it now.

Take care,

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>, <Celenox@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 23:28:51 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help with 8 card sheets

I have a few, how many are you looking for ?

OBC Forever,
----- Original Message -----
From: Celenox@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help with 8 card sheets

Can anyone help me out with a few card sheets that hold the 55/55 bowmans?
ive looked around here i cant find them i didnt even see them in FT wash.If
anyone can help me out with them It woulbe greatly appreciated

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 11:24:15 EST
To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Books and Variations and assorted thoughts

The cubs are indeed in town during the national this year...

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 20:44:38 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: OBC Address List

Could someone send me a copy of the OBC Address list.

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To: "\"Greg \(yaz\)\"" <yazobc@insightbb.com>,
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:29:19 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa

OBCers --

If you haven't heard from Jeff for your victim, it might be worth a phone

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: <brockhattox@cs.com>
To: ""Greg (yaz)"" <yazobc@insightbb.com>; <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa

> If I was given a name,  I did not receive it either.
> Thanks,
> Brock H.
> "Greg \(yaz\)" <yazobc@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>Did I miss getting in again this year? I sent a response over a month ago
>>but haven't heard back.
>>Greg (yaz)
> Yahoo! Groups Links

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 06:03:10 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 2 sets added, help asked for, sets/packs available

Hello fellow cardboardians:

First, I have a factory sealed 1990 Topps Baseball set and 3 unopened boxes
of 1989 wax packs(50 packs per box I think) available for the needy.

Next, I have started my final round of "kid" sets. I need 1979 and 1977 and
my children's collections are done. Of course when I die there will probably
be  "virtual cards" or a "print your own" kit or who knows what.

So, if I could ask for help on those two years I would appreciate it much.
My dupes box is pretty fat so I should be able to accomodate most offerings.
Thanks for any assistance.

Bob Bannon    _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com)

1979 Topps:Exmt, I need: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,
16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34,
35,  36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54,
55,  56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73,
74, 75,  76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92,
93, 94, 95,  96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109,
110, 111, 112,  113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124,
125, 126, 127, 128,  129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140,
141, 142, 143, 144,  145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 155,
156, 157, 158, 159, 160,  161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170,
171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176,  177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185, 186,
187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192,  193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201,
202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208,  209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217,
218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224,  225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232,
233, 234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240,  241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247,
248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256,  257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263,
264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272,  273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278,
279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288,  289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294,
295, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304,  305, 306, 307, 308, 309,
310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320,  321, 322, 323, 324,
325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336,  337, 338, 339, 340,
341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352,  353, 354, 355,
356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368,  369, 370, 371,
372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384,  385, 386,
387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400,  401,
402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416,  417,
418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432,
433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448,
449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463,
464,  465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479,
480,  481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494,
495, 496,  497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 508, 509,
510, 511, 512,  513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524, 525,
526, 527, 528,  529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540,
541, 542, 543, 544,  545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 556,
557, 558, 559, 560,  561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571,
572, 573, 574, 575, 576,  577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585, 586,
587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592,  593, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602,
603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608,  609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617,
618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624,  625, 626, 627, 628, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633,
634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640,  641, 642, 643, 644, 645, 646, 647, 648,
649, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656,  657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663,
664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672,  673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679,
680, 681, 682, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688,  689, 690, 691, 692, 693, 694,
695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704,  705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710,
711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 720,  721, 722, 723, 724, 725,

1977 Topps: Exmt, I need:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,  7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15,
16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27,  28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34,
35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47,  48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53,
54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67,  68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73,
74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79, 80, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87,  88, 89, 90, 91, 92,
93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 104, 105,  106, 107, 108, 109,
110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121,  122, 123, 124,
125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 133, 134, 135, 136, 137,  138, 139,
140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153,  154, 155,
156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 162, 163, 164, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169,  170,
171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181, 182, 183, 184, 185,  186,
187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201,
202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217,
218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232,
233,  234, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247,
248, 249,  250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263,
264, 265,  266, 267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278,
279, 280, 281,  282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294,
295, 296, 297,  298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309,
310, 311, 312, 313,  314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324,
325, 326, 327, 328, 329,  330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340,
341, 342, 343, 344, 345,  346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355,
356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361,  362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371,
372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377,  378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386,
387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393,  394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401,
402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409,  410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417,
418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425,  426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432,
433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441,  442, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448,
449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457,  458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463,
464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473,  474, 475, 476, 477, 478,
479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489,  490, 491, 492, 493, 494,
495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505,  506, 507, 508, 509,
510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 519, 520, 521,  522, 523, 524, 525,
526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537,  538, 539, 540,
541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553,  554, 555,
556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569,  570, 571,
572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585,  586,
587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601,  602,
603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617,
618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624, 625, 626, 627, 628, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633,
634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643, 644, 645, 646, 647, 648,
649,  650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663,
664, 665,  666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679,
680, 681,  682, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693, 694,
695, 696, 697,  698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710,
711, 712, 713,  714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 720, 721, 722, 723, 724, 725,

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:08:40 -0800 (PST)
To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com
From: Dan Angland <duph182@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bonds cards available and Score

Hello everyone,
In the thick of the season I have some avails if anyone wants em, send your address.

In honor of Barry Bonds 703*** thinking millions of Americans are imbecile's, I have some of his cards if you want.  They are pretty mint out of the package, much like a sterile medical device.
Mind you, he is only weighing in at 185.

1992 topps # 380
1989 Score #127
1988 topps 2x # 450
1989 topps #620
1993 topps Stadium Club Ultra Pro #4 and #8

Also up for grabs

1992 Score Baseball

1991 Score Baseball

1990 Score Baseball

1989 Score Baseball

Take care for now...Dan

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 15:08:17 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: Dis n' Dat...

Well, predictably, Canada Post has started their rotating strikes, which
just coincidentally seem to happen every year about this time. Maybe
they need more time to shop?

On another note, got a surprise phone call from a chap I have met at a
couple of "card shows" that we occasionally get up here. He is arranging
for about a dozen guys to meet up this Saturday, with everyone to bring
their dupes, for a good old-fashioned swapfest. Best news is that the
place he has chosen is only about 5 blocks from home. When he was on the
phone last night, he made my day, by saying "Don't bring anything shiny,
nobody that I am inviting will want it." Tiger Dave might be coming too,
he is in a buying mood. Too bad I ain't selling.

Cool! Report to follow.

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:00:34 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 79 and 77 update after a quick helpful start

Hi cardboardians,

Thanks to a handful of quick x-mas helpers I am off to a qgood start. Here
is an updated list of what I need:

1979 Topps:Exmt, I need: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 13, 15, 16, 21, 24, 27,  28,
30, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 56, 60, 61, 62, 63,
64, 65, 66, 68, 70, 71, 74, 75, 76, 79, 80, 82, 84, 85, 86, 89, 90, 91, 92,
93,  94, 97, 98, 99, 101, 103, 105, 106, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116,
117,  118, 119, 120, 122, 125, 127, 131, 132, 133, 135, 138, 139, 140, 141,
142, 144,  145, 147, 148,150, 152, 153, 154, 155, 156, 157, 159, 161, 163, 164,
165, 166,  169, 172, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 181, 182, 184, 185, 187, 188,
189, 190, 191,  192, 193, 195, 197, 198, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207,
210, 211, 212, 213,  214, 215, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 225, 228, 229,
230, 233, 234, 235,  236, 237, 239, 240, 242, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249,
252, 253, 254, 256, 258,  261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 269, 271, 272, 274, 282,
284, 285, 286, 289, 290,  293, 294, 295, 298, 299, 302, 305, 306, 307, 308,
313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 319,  322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 328, 329, 330, 331,
332, 334, 335, 342, 343, 344, 345,  348, 349, 350, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358,
360, 361, 362, 363, 365, 366, 367,  369, 370, 372, 373, 374, 376, 377, 379,
380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 387, 389,  390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 396, 397, 398,
400, 401, 403, 404, 407, 410, 411, 412,  413, 414, 415, 416, 419, 420, 421,
422, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 430, 431, 433,  435, 437, 440, 445, 446, 447,
450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 456, 457, 458, 460, 462,  463, 464, 466, 471, 472, 473,
474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 485, 486,  487, 488, 490, 491, 492,
493, 494, 495, 500, 501, 504, 505, 507, 509, 510, 512,  513, 515, 517, 518, 519,
522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 529, 533, 534, 539, 540, 541,  543, 544, 545, 547,
548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 556, 558, 561, 562, 563, 564,  565, 566, 567,
568, 570, 571, 572, 573, 576, 577, 578, 579, 581, 582, 584, 585,  586, 587, 588,
589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 596, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602, 603,  604, 606,
607, 608, 610, 612, 613, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 626, 629,  631, 632,
635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 643, 646, 647, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652,  654,
655, 657, 658, 659, 661, 663, 664, 666, 667, 669, 673, 674, 675, 676, 679,
684, 687, 688, 689, 692, 693, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 701, 702, 704, 706, 707,
708, 710, 711, 712, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 721, 722, 723, 724, 725,  726

1977 Topps: Exmt, I need:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 15, 16, 19, 20, 24,  26,
27, 32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 44, 45, 47, 51, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 64, 65,  66,
67, 69, 71, 74, 75, 79, 84, 85, 89, 96, 99, 103, 105, 106, 107, 111, 113,
114, 115, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125, 126, 130, 131, 132, 134, 136, 137, 139, 140,
142, 145, 147, 148, 149, 154, 158, 160, 161, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 171,
173,  174, 175, 181, 183, 185, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 196, 198, 199,
201,  202, 205, 206, 208, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 224, 225, 226, 228, 229,
234, 235,  236, 237, 239, 240, 241, 242, 250, 251, 255, 257, 258, 259, 260,
263, 268, 271,  272, 276, 278, 282, 287, 288, 292, 293, 294, 300, 301, 304, 305,
306, 307, 309,  312, 313, 317, 319, 320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 329, 330, 331,
332, 333, 334, 335,  336, 339, 344, 347, 353, 354, 355, 356, 358, 362, 364, 365,
367, 369, 370, 371,  372, 378, 381, 384, 387, 388, 390, 396, 397, 398, 400,
401, 402, 404, 406, 411,  412, 414, 420, 424, 429, 437, 439, 442, 445, 448,
450, 451, 452, 454, 455, 456,  457, 459, 461, 462, 463, 466, 468, 469, 472, 473,
474, 475, 476, 477, 482, 486,  487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 495, 496,
498, 499, 503, 505, 506, 507, 508,  512, 517, 524, 525, 527, 528, 531, 535, 543,
546, 553, 555, 559, 562, 564, 565,  566, 568, 572, 574, 575, 577, 578, 580,
581, 585, 587, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598,  605, 609, 610, 613, 619, 621, 624,
625, 626, 630, 633, 635, 638, 640, 644, 649,  650, 651, 655, 656, 660, 661, 662,
663, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671,  672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677,
678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687,  688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693,
694, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703,  704, 705, 706, 707, 708,
709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719,  720, 721, 722, 723,
724, 725, 726

Thanks for your help!!   Bob Bannon    _www.biggcards.com_
(http://www.biggcards.com)

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 19:23:50 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: cards
From: "Doug Kapral" <dkapral@stny.rr.com>
To: <treasurer@oldbaseball.com>
Subject: cards
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:10:26 -0500

i have 21 sheets of baseball cards that were never put into circulation. they are topps 1991 cards. these are the original sheets that were sent to a machine and printer outfit in elmira n.y. to make dies and to cut and put into circulation. they are the glossy originals and i need to find someone who can steer me in the right direction to find out what they are worth. many good names are on this sheets. barry bonds for one, when he played for the pirates.

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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:39:55 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: thanks Ken

thanks out to Ken Goetsch for a great looking 64 Topps coin for my ever
growing typecard set.

Thanks Ken,  Bob Bannon

=================

Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 21:50:31 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 1979 and 1977 kids project continues

Well, its been all of 1 day and the 79's are already under 200!!!! Many  have
helped, Richard Bondy the biggest contributor.
Here is the updated list and thanks again for your help.

1979 Topps:Exmt, I need: 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 21, 24, 30, 40, 45, 46, 60,  65,
66, 79, 80, 82, 90, 91, 93, 98, 99, 105, 111, 112, 114, 116, 117, 132, 135,
138, 139, 141, 142, 144, 145,148,150, 152, 153, 156, 157, 159, 163, 165, 166,
181, 185, 188, 190, 195, 202, 204, 205, 206, 207, 210, 212, 213, 214, 215, 218,
220, 221, 225, 230, 240, 244, 245, 246, 248, 249, 252, 253, 256, 258, 263,
265,  269, 271, 272, 274, 282, 285, 286, 289, 290, 293, 295, 298, 302, 308,
314, 315,  317, 319, 324, 325, 328, 330, 335, 345, 348, 350, 356, 357, 358, 360,
363, 365,  369, 370, 373, 377, 380, 389, 390,400, 404, 407, 410, 412, 413,
414, 415, 416,  420, 424, 427, 428, 430, 451, 452, 460, 462, 464, 471, 473, 476,
477, 479, 480,  485, 486, 492, 493, 494, 495, 500, 501, 509, 510, 513, 517,
524, 526, 541, 544,  550, 564, 570, 571, 584, 585, 587, 593, 604, 606, 610, 615,
620, 626, 631, 635,  637, 639, 640, 655, 659, 663, 664, 666, 669, 674, 687,
689, 695,698, 701, 702,  707, 708, 715, 717, 719

1977 Topps: Exmt, I need:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12,  15, 16, 19, 20, 24, 26,
32, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38. 44, 45, 47, 51, 54, 55, 56, 57,  58, 61, 64, 65, 66, 67,
69, 71, 74, 79, 84, 85, 89, 96, 99, 103, 105, 106, 107,  111, 113, 114, 115,
119, 121, 122, 123, 125, 126, 130, 131, 132, 134, 137, 139,  140, 142, 145,
147, 148, 149, 154, 158, 160, 161, 166, 167, 168, 169, 171, 173,  174, 175, 181,
183, 185, 188, 189, 190, 191, 192, 193, 194, 196, 198, 199, 201,  202, 205,
206, 208, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222, 224, 226, 228, 229, 234, 235, 236,  237,
239, 240, 241, 242, 250, 251, 255, 257, 258, 259, 260, 263, 268, 271, 272,  276,
278, 287, 288, 292, 293, 294, 300, 304, 305, 306, 307, 309, 312, 317, 319,
320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 339, 344, 347,
353, 354, 355, 356, 358, 364, 367, 369, 370, 371, 378, 381, 384, 387, 388,
390,  396, 397, 398, 400, 401, 402, 404, 406, 411, 412, 414, 420, 424, 429, 437,
439,  445, 448, 450, 451, 452, 455, 456, 457, 459, 461, 462, 463, 466, 468,
469, 472,  473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493,
495, 496, 498,  499, 503, 505, 506, 507, 508, 512, 517, 524, 525, 527, 528, 531,
535, 543, 546,  553, 555, 559, 562, 564, 565, 566, 568, 572, 574, 575, 577,
580, 585, 587, 594,  595, 596, 597, 598, 605, 609, 610, 613, 619, 621, 624, 625,
626, 630, 633, 635,  638, 640, 644, 649, 650, 651, 655, 656, 660, 661, 662,
663, 664, 665, 666, 667,  668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677,
678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 683,  684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693,
694, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699,  700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708,
709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715,  716, 717, 718, 719, 720, 721, 722, 723, 724,
725, 726

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 00:08:12 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com
Subject: Nostalgic signs

Hi all - apologies in advance for a non-card related topic, but I found an
interesting company here in Dayton - they sell nostalgic signs. There are a few
sports advertising signs, including Babe Ruth & Ted Williams. The website is
http://www.rickwolf.com/default.asp. if you want to take a look.

Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 12:50:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 1977 &1979 project update

Just trying to stay current. Good overnight activity and Jedi Bill Gurtler
chops 60+ off by pointing out that I had slated for 726 not 660 77's.
Whooshhhhhh, they are gone. AND, that is after he does some serious set wrecking with
cards!! Thanks Bill.

So here is where I am at this time: less than 150 79's and 213 77's

Thanks everyone for the great assistance. Are these kids worthy??????  Yeah,
I think so.

1979 Topps:Exmt, I need: 1, 5, 9, 21, 24, 30, 40, 45, 46, 60, 66, 79, 80, 82,
90, 93, 98, 99, 105, 111, 112, 114, 117, 135, 138, 139, 141, 142, 144,
148,150, 152, 153, 156, 157, 159, 163, 165, 166, 181, 185, 190, 195, 202, 204, 206,
207, 213, 214, 215, 220, 221, 225, 230, 240, 244, 245, 246, 249, 252, 253,
256, 258, 269, 271, 272, 274, 285, 290, 293, 295, 298, 302, 317, 325, 345, 348,
356, 357, 358, 363, 365, 369a Blue Jays, 369b Rangers, 370, 373, 377, 380, 389,
400, 407, 412, 413, 414, 415, 420, 424, 430, 451, 452, 460, 462, 471, 473,
476, 479, 480, 485, 486, 492, 493, 495, 500, 509, 524, 526, 541, 544, 550, 570,
584, 587, 604, 606, 610, 620, 626, 639, 640, 655, 659, 669, 695,702, 719

1977 Topps: Exmt, I need:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 15, 16, 20, 24, 26, 32, 34,
35, 38. 44, 47, 51, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 67, 69, 71, 74, 79, 84, 85, 89,
96, 99, 103, 105, 106, 107, 111, 113, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125, 130, 131, 134,
145, 148, 149, 154, 158, 161, 166, 167, 168, 169, 173, 174, 175, 181, 183, 185,
189, 191, 192, 193, 194, 196, 201, 202, 206, 208, 211, 212, 220, 221, 222,
224, 226, 228, 235, 236, 237, 239, 240, 242, 251, 255, 257, 258, 259, 260, 268,
272, 276, 278, 287, 288, 293, 294, 300, 304, 305, 307, 309, 312, 317, 319,
320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 329, 330, 332, 333, 334, 336, 347, 353, 354, 355, 356,
364, 369, 370, 371, 378, 384, 387, 388, 390, 396, 400, 401, 402, 406, 411, 412,
420, 424, 437, 445, 448, 450, 451, 456, 459, 461, 462, 463, 466, 469, 472,
473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 496, 498, 503,
505, 506, 512, 517, 527, 528, 535, 543, 546, 553, 555, 562, 564, 565, 568,
572, 574, 575, 577, 580, 585, 587, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 609, 610, 619, 621,
624, 625, 630, 633, 635, 638, 640, 649, 650, 651, 656, 660

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:17:34 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: $200 for a 71 high number?

Check out this auction on Ebay _eBay  item 5147075472 (Ends Dec-19-04
17:02:36 PST) - 1971 Topps #731 Jim Qualls PSA  10 Gem-Mint_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=55925&item=5147075472&rd=1)

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:31:41 EST
To: Typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?

looks like a typo only this one stuck    i just bid on on a 61 wilhelm for
what i thought was 20.01 when It popped up it said 2,001.00  lucky i got it for

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:59:53 -0500 (EST)
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: <nthomas@pol.net>
Subject: Sign of the Apocalypse

Saw this in the NY Daily News. As much as I lost respect for Arod after the
"slapping and denying" trick this year, he gets some back by (read the past
paragraph). Bonds on the other hand.....;

http://www.nydailynews.com/12-08-2004/sports/baseball/story/259998p-222683c.html

Bonds market down, not out

BY MICHAEL O'KEEFFE
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Barry Bonds is the center of the biggest sports scandal in history, a key
figure in a federal investigation who may yet face criminal charges for his
role in the BALCO case. He's been slammed by fans from Florida to Seattle as
a drug-enhanced cheat; his leaked grand jury testimony prompted Sen.John
McCain to threaten congressional intervention into baseball's affairs.
In the middle of that firestorm, Bonds still plans to hawk autographs to
high rollers in New York City this weekend.

Organizers say Bonds is expected to attend The Ultimate Event, the high-end
fan fest featuring the Giants slugger and Alex Rodriguez. As the Daily News
reported last month, tickets for a meet-and-greet cocktail party Friday
night with Bonds and A-Rod at the Marriott Marquis in Times Square - fans
will have the opportunity to ask the players questions and snap photos with
the stars - cost $7,500. Entry to Saturday's autograph session at the 40/40
Club will set back collectors $1,050.

But neither steep admission fees nor the steroid scandal have cooled
collectors' enthusiasm for the event. About 80 of the 100 available tickets
for Friday's cocktail party have been sold, and Scot Monette - president of
AROD Authenticated, the Florida company that sells Rodriguez memorabilia and
is one of the organizers - expects full capacity for Saturday's autograph
session, too.

"These guys will go down as two of the very best to play the game," says
Denver businessman Vince Donahue, a memorabilia collector who plans to
attend the cocktail party. "This whole thing around Barry will eventually
shake itself out. He'll still go down in history as a phenomenal baseball

"I try not to prejudge people. Only Barry Bonds knows what he did and didn't
do," Donahue adds. "It's probably difficult to make the leap that he didn't
know what he was taking. But for me, there's no question he would be hitting
the same amount of home runs as he is hitting. The hand-eye coordination is
still there."

Fans who fork over $7,500 for Friday's cocktails, hors d'oeuvres and
question-and-answer session won't be completely in the hole. They'll receive
a gift bag full of goodies Monette estimates are worth more than $4,000,
including a video game, a bottle of wine, cigars and a watch created just
for The Ultimate Event. Many of the items may wind up on eBay or other
Internet auctions.

Rodriguez, meanwhile, will donate his share of the proceeds to the Boys &
Girls Club of America. But Bonds isn't planning to share his portion of the
profits. Bernstein told Sports Illustrated last month that the event "is
squarely in the for-profit section of Barry's portfolio."

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To: <LUURSCJG@aol.com>, <Typecard@aol.com>, <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:07:15 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?

It's no typo.  Three separate investors, I mean collectors, have bid
over $200 for this card.  Hey it's a PSA10!

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 2:32 PM
To: Typecard@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?

looks like a typo only this one stuck    i just bid on on a 61 wilhelm
for what i thought was 20.01 when It popped up it said 2,001.00  lucky i
got it for 15.50

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:51:00 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1977 &1979 project update

Who is Jedi Bill Gurtler??

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; Vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1977 &1979 project update

Just trying to stay current. Good overnight activity and Jedi Bill Gurtler
chops 60+ off by pointing out that I had slated for 726 not 660 77's. Whooshhhhhh,
they are gone. AND, that is after he does some serious set wrecking
with cards!! Thanks Bill.

So here is where I am at this time: less than 150 79's and 213 77's

Thanks everyone for the great assistance. Are these kids worthy??????  Yeah,
I think so.

1979 Topps:Exmt, I need: 1, 5, 9, 21, 24, 30, 40, 45, 46, 60, 66, 79, 80,82,
90, 93, 98, 99, 105, 111, 112, 114, 117, 135, 138, 139, 141, 142, 144,148,150,
152, 153, 156, 157, 159, 163, 165, 166, 181, 185, 190, 195, 202, 204,
206, 207, 213, 214, 215, 220, 221, 225, 230, 240, 244, 245, 246, 249, 252,
253, 256, 258, 269, 271, 272, 274, 285, 290, 293, 295, 298, 302, 317, 325,
345, 348, 356, 357, 358, 363, 365, 369a Blue Jays, 369b Rangers, 370, 373,
377, 380, 389, 400, 407, 412, 413, 414, 415, 420, 424, 430, 451, 452, 460,
462, 471, 473, 476, 479, 480, 485, 486, 492, 493, 495, 500, 509, 524, 526,
541, 544, 550, 570, 584, 587, 604, 606, 610, 620, 626, 639, 640, 655, 659,
669, 695,702, 719

1977 Topps: Exmt, I need:1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 15, 16, 20, 24, 26, 32,34,
35, 38. 44, 47, 51, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 61, 67, 69, 71, 74, 79, 84, 85,
89, 96, 99, 103, 105, 106, 107, 111, 113, 119, 121, 122, 123, 125, 130, 131,
134, 145, 148, 149, 154, 158, 161, 166, 167, 168, 169, 173, 174, 175, 181,
183, 185, 189, 191, 192, 193, 194, 196, 201, 202, 206, 208, 211, 212, 220,
221, 222, 224, 226, 228, 235, 236, 237, 239, 240, 242, 251, 255, 257, 258,
259, 260, 268, 272, 276, 278, 287, 288, 293, 294, 300, 304, 305, 307, 309,
312, 317, 319, 320, 321, 325, 326, 327, 329, 330, 332, 333, 334, 336, 347,
353, 354, 355, 356, 364, 369, 370, 371, 378, 384, 387, 388, 390, 396, 400,
401, 402, 406, 411, 412, 420, 424, 437, 445, 448, 450, 451, 456, 459, 461,
462, 463, 466, 469, 472, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 486, 487, 488, 489, 490,
491, 492, 493, 496, 498, 503, 505, 506, 512, 517, 527, 528, 535, 543, 546,
553, 555, 562, 564, 565, 568, 572, 574, 575, 577, 580, 585, 587, 594, 595,
596, 597, 598, 609, 610, 619, 621, 624, 625, 630, 633, 635, 638, 640, 649,
650, 651, 656, 660

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:19:11 -0700 (MST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tknowles@sofast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?

I'm no expert on grading, but shouldn't a Gem Mint card have perfect
centering?  This one looks about 60/40 left to right.

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 17:46:49 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?

This card is only worth that much to a Cubs fan.  After all, he's the
knucklehead that broke up Seaver's no hitter in 69.  To me, the card ain't worth one
of Mark's daughter's nickles <g>!

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Date:   12/10/2004 5:26:48 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    tknowles@sofast.net
To:    obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com

I'm no expert on grading, but shouldn't a Gem Mint card have perfect
centering?  This one looks about 60/40 left to right.

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:58:54 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Secret Santa?

OK, I haven't heard who my victim is yet. Who's doing the picking this year?
And has anyone gotten theirs yet? I want to do a little OBC shopping this
weekend, but alas, I haven't seen my #9986 (old timers will know what this means,
even if I have the number wrong).

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To: <ChicoD1@aol.com>, <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:08:25 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa?

The OBC gift exchange is being run by Jeff Sackman.  I got my victim a
few weeks ago.  You might want to contact Jeff.

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Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 6:59 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa?

OK, I haven't heard who my victim is yet. Who's doing the picking this
year?  And has anyone gotten theirs yet? I want to do a little OBC
shopping this weekend, but alas, I haven't seen my #9986 (old timers
will know what this means, even if I have the number wrong).

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:57:06 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: thanks Mike

thanks out to MIKE WIERZBICKI for 7 awesome typecard hits including 61 and
63, 77 78 and 79 Hostess and some 68 Laughlins.

Man I love this collection.

Thanks Mike,  Bob Bannon the recalcitrant

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:08:07 -0500
To: ChicoD1@aol.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa?

I got my victim on Nov. 30th, I'm surprised at the number of people who
evidently have not gotten theirs yet.

We keep what we give away!

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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:52:58 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: an apology and an observation

Hello OBCers,

I am humbled. I have erred and am recalcitrant.

It has been brought to my attention that have mistakenly thanked  an outside
member through the OBC ramblings email. This is wrong and while I  thought
this member was an OBC member, I was wrong. Being wrong and making an  error is
no excuse.

I have also offered post 1980 items to members. Even though these items  were
available to anyone free of obligation, and in the interest of someone
perhaps needing them for their children et al. It was wrong. The rules clearly
state that the ramblings communications will be confined to 1980 or earlier.
Personally I am interested mostly in pre war items at this time, but I  thought
that disposing of these sets by giving them to someone in need  was better than
throwing them away. I was wrong. please know that I will  not give up the
names of those that responded with interest in these items for  fear of

Moving forward I vow to adhere to any and all rules of conduct regardless  of
their conflict with reason.

My apology,

Bob  Bannon                WE TRADE!!!!!

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To: <ChicoD1@aol.com>,
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 06:21:53 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa?

OBCers --

I think Jeff's email has been sporadic of late.  Please give him a call if
you haven't got a name yet and you asked for one.  The number I have for him
is (608) 332 8473.  Don't wait too long as it sucks when guys end up with
nothing on Christmas Day due to the glut of mail...

----- Original Message -----
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To: <ChicoD1@aol.com>
Cc: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa?

> Chico,
> I got my victim on Nov. 30th, I'm surprised at the number of people who
> evidently have not gotten theirs yet.
> We keep what we give away!
>                                       EEK
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Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 23:50:19 -0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: digdugdig@webtv.net
Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tknowles@sofast.net
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:19:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $200 for a 71 high number?
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Date: 11 Dec 2004 14:32:57 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: OBC Santa

It would also help if you acknowledge receipt of your Secret Santa package
as soon as you receive it since thanks will not go out until December 25.
This will ease the mind of your Secret Santa.

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:45:24 -0500
To: biggies@aol.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] an apology and an observation

The OBC rules of conduct issue seems to be a recurring problem that
creates some hard feelings among members. Generally the broken rules
seem to be simple human error that create embarrassment and a sense of
shame when pointed out by others. My experience of OBC is that we are
caring and sensitive people. We feel what we feel intensely. While our
sensitivity to others needs is a cornerstone of our group, that same
sensitivity makes us susceptible to hurt feelings.
It might be helpful if we could try to assure that each member was being
given the same basic information regarding our rules. While the Rules of
Conduct page is available to us all, little reminders might not hurt.
Perhaps some guidelines for mentors would be helpful including
information regarding the role of a mentor? I've been a member for a few
years now, and I'm not sure I would be able to remember all of the
nuances of our group and provide that for a new member off the top.
Perhaps we could incorporate a reminder of the server rules at the
bottom of the Members Directory where the various servers are described?
Criticism, no matter how diplomatically stated, is generally difficult
to receive. I think it would be easier to receive from a mentor then
from another group member. Perhaps we could include the mentors name on
the Directory as well, and individuals or the OBCAC could go through him
to convey any breech?

As with most if not all of us in OBC, I dislike and am uncomfortable
with conflict. While it is unrealistic to avoid it totally, I think we
should make every effort to minimize it.

The opinions expressed above are mine alone and do not necessarily
reflect the views of OBC and or the OBCAC.

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: <Originaleek@webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:00:49 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] an apology and an observation

EEK --

I think if anybody takes a moment to read the Rules of Conduct, it would
serve as a helpful rememinder as to how we are set-up and operate.  That
being said, if there are things people don't like, bring it up.  That's why
we have an OBCAC to vote on those things.  If the membership doesn't bring
up any problems or issues, the AC tends not to invent new ones, so we pretty
much get the status quo.  I think you make some good points about mentoring,
which was instituted to help guide new members along.  Geordie has been
putting that info in the Directory for new members, but it would be harder
to find out who the older members had as a mentor.  If anyone wants to
volunteer any mentor info to Geordie, I'm sure he would be glad to put it in
the Directory.

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: <Originaleek@webtv.net>
To: <biggies@aol.com>
Cc: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] an apology and an observation

> The OBC rules of conduct issue seems to be a recurring problem that
> creates some hard feelings among members. Generally the broken rules
> seem to be simple human error that create embarrassment and a sense of
> shame when pointed out by others. My experience of OBC is that we are
> caring and sensitive people. We feel what we feel intensely. While our
> sensitivity to others needs is a cornerstone of our group, that same
> sensitivity makes us susceptible to hurt feelings.
> It might be helpful if we could try to assure that each member was being
> given the same basic information regarding our rules. While the Rules of
> Conduct page is available to us all, little reminders might not hurt.
> Perhaps some guidelines for mentors would be helpful including
> information regarding the role of a mentor? I've been a member for a few
> years now, and I'm not sure I would be able to remember all of the
> nuances of our group and provide that for a new member off the top.
> Perhaps we could incorporate a reminder of the server rules at the
> bottom of the Members Directory where the various servers are described?
> Criticism, no matter how diplomatically stated, is generally difficult
> to receive. I think it would be easier to receive from a mentor then
> from another group member. Perhaps we could include the mentors name on
> the Directory as well, and individuals or the OBCAC could go through him
> to convey any breech?
> As with most if not all of us in OBC, I dislike and am uncomfortable
> with conflict. While it is unrealistic to avoid it totally, I think we
> should make every effort to minimize it.
> The opinions expressed above are mine alone and do not necessarily
> reflect the views of OBC and or the OBCAC.
> We keep what we give away!
>                                       EEK
> Yahoo! Groups Links

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:46:10 -0500
To: dodgergeo@elite.net
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Reckless Ramble

I wish to offer a public apology to you. It was pointed out to me that
you have included the mentors names for the newer guys in OBC. It was
reckless of me to make suggestions about things that are already being
addressed very well. I have a hunch I will discover that other ideas or
opinions I expressed will be just as erroneous. As my father used to say
"it is better to keep your mouth shut & risk being thought a fool than
to open it up and remove all doubt."  I think I'll go to my room now!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: <Originaleek@webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:08:10 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

OBCers --

As I just pointed out to Earl privately, there is no need for him to go to
his room and color for the rest of the night!  I apologize if my email
sounded like I was lecturing members.  I didn't intend that at all!  I was
just trying to make the point that this is a public forum, so please voice
your concerns if there is anything you would like to see changed.  The AC is
open-minded to any new business, but if they don't know what's on your mind,
they can't guess.  I know the AC sometimes sounds like an anarchy, but it's
the only way to get anything done in a group of 150 people who only meet by
email.  Once again, I thank Earl for his email and appreciate any other
rambles that anybody has on their mind!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: <Originaleek@webtv.net>
To: <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Cc: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

> Geordie,
> I wish to offer a public apology to you. It was pointed out to me that
> you have included the mentors names for the newer guys in OBC. It was
> reckless of me to make suggestions about things that are already being
> addressed very well. I have a hunch I will discover that other ideas or
> opinions I expressed will be just as erroneous. As my father used to say
> "it is better to keep your mouth shut & risk being thought a fool than
> to open it up and remove all doubt."  I think I'll go to my room now!
> We keep what we give away!
>                                       EEK
> Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:32:57 -0500
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner)
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

We could do this forever, each responding apologetically to the others
apology. I did not feel lectured to at all. I really appreciate both
your's and Doug's e-mails to me and the expeditious manner in which you
and he responded. We in OBC are in good hands with folks like you guys
on the OBCAC who stay on top of issues.

Actually going to my room is not really much of a punishment, as the
only room in the house that is truly mine is the little basement
cubbyhole referred to as "Dad's baseball card hideaway." Alas, The House
of Maxwell is really only a room!

Peace to all in OBC during this Holiday Season and through out the year!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:50:53 -0500
From: Bob Saxton <judgeguy@juno.com>
Subject: UV junk

I have some UV oddball and common stuff that's free to anyone who can use
it. If interested, email me for the list

=================

To: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>, <Originaleek@webtv.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:05:44 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

So the truth is out....The House Of Maxwell is just a room.
Feeling a bit more worthy...now I can fess up and say that my collection islocated
in a part of the house that the salesfolks called " The Parent Retreat".

Drats !!

EEK's confession made me look closer and I found out that my vaunted museumis
just a room too !!! How'd that happen ????

My wife disputes how anyone can actually "retreat" into a room scattered about
with boxes, binders and piles of cardboard. The three computers, books,wires
and pictures strung all over seemed comforting to me, but apparentlyshe
feels different.

Each man's treasure is another woman's junk.

Let's have some fun with this....join in this confessional or add bragging rights.
Describe your collection's residence or storage. Organization or lack
of that...any other comments. Fill this server !!

OBC Forever!

----- Original Message -----
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: geno.wagner
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

We could do this forever, each responding apologetically to the others
apology. I did not feel lectured to at all. I really appreciate both
your's and Doug's e-mails to me and the expeditious manner in which you
and he responded. We in OBC are in good hands with folks like you guys
on the OBCAC who stay on top of issues.

Actually going to my room is not really much of a punishment, as the
only room in the house that is truly mine is the little basement
cubbyhole referred to as "Dad's baseball card hideaway." Alas, The House
of Maxwell is really only a room!

Peace to all in OBC during this Holiday Season and through out the year!

We keep what we give away!

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To: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@charter.net>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:16:30 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Brian --

Being in the military has its advantages - never having a job interview, never
wondering where you should live, never trying to figure out what to wear
to work, etc.

However, the disadvantage is moving my cards all the time.  And the houses never
get any bigger, but I always end up with another kid every time we move.
This has resulted in sending my completed sets binders home to my mother
or my brother in Chicago everytime I move again, which is every couple of
years I guess (my daughter, who is five, has lived in Delaware, Ohio, California,
and England).  Anyway, my collection has been relegated to two shelves
in the living room closet - ughhh.  And believe me, I hear about it everyday
when my wife says I'm hogging all the space!  Some day...

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Lindholme
To: geno.wagner ; Originaleek@webtv.net
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

So the truth is out....The House Of Maxwell is just a room.
Feeling a bit more worthy...now I can fess up and say that my collection is
located in a part of the house that the salesfolks called " The Parent Retreat".

Drats !!

EEK's confession made me look closer and I found out that my vaunted museum
is just a room too !!! How'd that happen ????

My wife disputes how anyone can actually "retreat" into a room scattered about
with boxes, binders and piles of cardboard. The three computers, books,
wires and pictures strung all over seemed comforting to me, but apparently
she feels different.

Each man's treasure is another woman's junk.

Let's have some fun with this....join in this confessional or add bragging
rights. Describe your collection's residence or storage. Organization or lack
of that...any other comments. Fill this server !!

OBC Forever!

----- Original Message -----
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: geno.wagner
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

We could do this forever, each responding apologetically to the others
apology. I did not feel lectured to at all. I really appreciate both
your's and Doug's e-mails to me and the expeditious manner in which you
and he responded. We in OBC are in good hands with folks like you guys
on the OBCAC who stay on top of issues.

Actually going to my room is not really much of a punishment, as the
only room in the house that is truly mine is the little basement
cubbyhole referred to as "Dad's baseball card hideaway." Alas, The House
of Maxwell is really only a room!

Peace to all in OBC during this Holiday Season and through out the year!

We keep what we give away!

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:26:20 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: Earl started all of this!

Well, it was bad enough that I lost The John Wayne Room when my daughter
grew up a bit and needed more room and more privacy. My bride was
obviously more than pleased with the gains (by HER definition) that she
had made, and turned her sights towards the rec room. One by one, as if
I wouldn=92t notice, cherished items started getting placed in boxes, but
she was clever enough to pack the goodies carefully. Hey, a good
cardboard-style jury, and I=92d walk. Then, the attention turned to the
storage area in the basement, and I was notified that something just had
to be done with =93all that junk.=94 JUNK?????????? Boxes of treasures,
cards, comics, etc. But I dutifully went to work pleasing her as best I
could, and in no time at all we had lots of room on the shelves for
macram=E9 crap, wooden bowls, wool, and many other things that will never
ever get used, let alone looked at. Not to mention you can=92t get
anything on Evilbay for any of that detritus. Humfff. A couple of days
later, I guess it dawned on her that my stuff had to be somewhere, and
she made pleasant enquiries. Since I started this job tracking stolen
computers on the Internet, I have just about moved into our
office/computer room, which she rarely gets to visit of course because I
spend so much time in there. One look at the =93office=94 and she knew she
had been had, big-time. Now I have all this great old stuff at my
fingertips, you can=92t even see most of the walls, and there is a carpet
down there somewhere, it=92s just that stuff has kinda stratified over the
last while. I may have lost a battle or two, but I think I won the war.
So far.

=================

Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:37:31 EST
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, familytoad@charter.net
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

In a message dated 12/11/2004 1:17:50 PM Central Standard Time,
geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes:
I always end up with another kid every time we move.
Geno - Your wife is expecting? - Doug

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To: <TraderDoug@aol.com>,
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:41:16 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Nope, but then again I don't have orders to move yet...

I expect to be here until 2007, so I think I'm safe for now...if I can onlyget
more room on the shelf...

----- Original Message -----
From: TraderDoug@aol.com
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; familytoad@charter.net
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

In a message dated 12/11/2004 1:17:50 PM Central Standard Time, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com
I always end up with another kid every time we move.
Geno - Your wife is expecting? - Doug
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 11:43:30 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Earl started all of this!

Earl started all of this!FYI

"detritus" was Word of the Day on December 13, 1999.

A long since forgotten word to describe accumulated material or debris... Ithink
that with the help of we "Citizens of OBC", the word might make a comeback
!!  Thanks Grant for starting the renaissance of wordsmithing and toEEK
for getting this discussion started in the first place !

OBC Forever,

----- Original Message -----
From: Grant Rainsley
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 11:26 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Earl started all of this!

Well, it was bad enough that I lost The John Wayne Room when my daughter grew
up a bit and needed more room and more privacy. My bride was obviouslymore
than pleased with the gains (by HER definition) that she had made, and
turned her sights towards the rec room. One by one, as if I wouldn't notice,
cherished items started getting placed in boxes, but she was clever enough
to pack the goodies carefully. Hey, a good cardboard-style jury, and I'd
walk. Then, the attention turned to the storage area in the basement, andI
was notified that something just had to be done with "all that junk." JUNK??????????
Boxes of treasures, cards, comics, etc. But I dutifully went to
work pleasing her as best I could, and in no time at all we had lots of room
on the shelves for macram=E9 crap, wooden bowls, wool, and many other things
that will never ever get used, let alone looked at. Not to mention you
can't get anything on Evilbay for any of that detritus. Humfff. A couple of
days later, I guess it dawned on her that my stuff had to be somewhere, and
she made pleasant enquiries. Since I started this job tracking stolen computers
on the Internet, I have just about moved into our office/computer room,
which she rarely gets to visit of course because I spend so much timein
there. One look at the "office" and she knew she had been had, big-time.
Now I have all this great old stuff at my fingertips, you can't even see most
of the walls, and there is a carpet down there somewhere, it's just that
stuff has kinda stratified over the last while. I may have lost a battleor
two, but I think I won the war. So far.

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To: familytoad@charter.net
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:54:43 -0500
From: Bob Saxton <judgeguy@juno.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Let's have some fun with this....join in this confessional or add
bragging rights. Describe your collection's residence or storage.
Organization or lack of that...any other comments. Fill this server !!

OBC Forever!

Well, the albums with the 50's and early 60's cards are stacked in the
former computer cabinet in the bedroom.....except for the real valuable
ones which are hidden in my underwear drawer and in a lock box under the
bed.  The later 60's and the 70's are in card boxes, also in the cabinet,
except for the real valuable ones which are hidden in a my sock drawer
and the bookcase.  Completed sets are stored in a homemade wooden cabinet
that holds up one end of an improvised desktop next to the computer in
the loft.  Except for the really, really, truly valuable ones that are
hidden under clothes in the dresser, behind books in the bookcase, and in
a safe deposit box at the bank.  Dupes are stored in a two-drawer metal
file cabinet that holds up the other end of the desktop.  On the desktop
next to the computer are albums of 50's non-sports or boxes of other sets
I am actively working on.  Except for the cards I won on ebay which
haven't arrived yet.  Anything later than 1980 is stashed somewhere in
the house and not all in the same place, most likely where I last filed
something in it.  Any burglar wanting to filch my collection is going to
have to work at it.

OBC- organized baseball chaos
=================

Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 14:57:15 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com
Subject: OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

OK gang.  It's time to give everyone a glimpse into your lives.   Whip out
the camera and give us a look into the world of your sports  neuroses.  I have
to admit that in spite of the fact I have made over 30  in-person contacts
thanks to the OBC, I have only been in the home of one of  you.  I would love to
see what you guys have laying around the house  disguised as "decor".

My friends, I myself was at one time married. An experience I equate to
being emasculated with a cricket bat.  In addition, I was forced to contain  my
"junk" in a rental storage unit.    Now however, I  am pleased to scatter my
supposed junk upon any wall in the house  I deem worthy, which would of course be
all of them.   :)  You get this picture, not because it is the most
"baseball dense" corner of the house, but because it's not close to a  window with the
sun shining into it making picture taking  difficult.   Football field rug.
Game used baseball jerseys, and  a poker table.  Sometimes life is indeed
grand :)

The "baseball room" is in the middle of being enlarged after knocking out a
wall between two bedrooms, (which I can do because I am militantly single)
therefore everything in that room is covered with sheets and drywall dust.  Not
an attractive picture at all.   There is also a "Denver Broncos"  room which
is cleverly disguised as a living room, and a library with is  cleverly
disguised as a library, however it is filled with framed items so as to  give it an
air of studiousness. It is in that room that the carefully filed  baseball
cards rest.

OK... now it's YOUR turn.  Where do you read the backs of YOUR  baseball

=================

To: "Bob Saxton" <judgeguy@juno.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:00:13 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

So if you ever get a valuable 50's/60's from Bob, you can be rest assured it
sat buried in his underwear for the past few years...hmmmm.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Saxton
To: familytoad@charter.net
Cc: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com ; Originaleek@webtv.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Let's have some fun with this....join in this confessional or add bragging
rights. Describe your collection's residence or storage. Organization or lack
of that...any other comments. Fill this server !!

OBC Forever!

Well, the albums with the 50's and early 60's cards are stacked in the former
computer cabinet in the bedroom.....except for the real valuable ones which
are hidden in my underwear drawer and in a lock box under the bed.  The
later 60's and the 70's are in card boxes, also in the cabinet, except for
the real valuable ones which are hidden in a my sock drawer and the bookcase.
Completed sets are stored in a homemade wooden cabinet that holds upone
end of an improvised desktop next to the computer in the loft.  Exceptfor
the really, really, truly valuable ones that are hidden under clothes in
the dresser, behind books in the bookcase, and in a safe deposit box at the
bank.  Dupes are stored in a two-drawer metal file cabinet that holds up
the other end of the desktop.  On the desktop next to the computer are albums
of 50's non-sports or boxes of other sets I am actively working on.  Except
for the cards I won on ebay which haven't arrived yet.  Anything later
than 1980 is stashed somewhere in the house and not all in the same place,
most likely where I last filed something in it.  Any burglar wanting to filch
my collection is going to have to work at it.

OBC- organized baseball chaos

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:40:35 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" <gg.c1960@ntlworld.com>
Subject: The Tigers Shrine

OK, here’s my little play room. The room itself is only about 12’ x 9’, but
it does the job!

I’m not sure what the file size limit is on the server, so here’s 2 photos.
Another 2 follow right away!

Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 12:43:08 -0800 (PST)
To: obc ramblings <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: Matthew <obc_spike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

> Let's have some fun with this....join in this confessional or add
> bragging rights. Describe your collection's residence or storage.
> Organization or lack of that...any other comments. Fill this server !!

Since I'm still a bachelor, the cards can fall where they may. The latest
arrival or things to send usually sit next to the computer. (Note to self:
write those thanks emails!)

In the entertainment room, the "in progress" binders sit along one wall, tucked
away from the main part of the room. That corner also has my SCD, alphabetical
checklist, and box of mailing materials. The "completed" binders and my dupes
boxes live in the same room's closet, along with some bats, balls, and other
gear (i.e., David Segui game-worn shoes). The cards are always close at hand!

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To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 20:43:26 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" <gg.c1960@ntlworld.com>
Subject: The Tigers Shrine

OK, here’s my little play room. The room itself is only about 12’ x 9’, but
it does the job!

The two storage units you can see are packed with cards, books, magazines,
and the occasional bottle of malt whisky.

Photos 3 & 4.

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:11:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 6 commons needed to complete set

Hello fellow cardboardians,

I only need 7 more cards to finish my 1976 Topps set. All but one are
basically commons or minor stars(though I don't think I would call Eck a minor
star). Take a look if you dont mind and see if you cant help me wind this one  up.

1976 Topps: I need, Exmt
50 Lynn. 98Eck. 172.
240Rose. 294. 461.  481

Thanks,  Bob Bannon

=================

Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:22:07 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Lucky for me, my mom thinks a hobby is a great thing to have. She gave me four
shelfs (for my completed binders) and a cabinet (for working sets) in the
basement. I have had the pleasure of showing my collection to two OBCers as
well, Rob G. and Father Pat! She also used some an uncut sheet of cards I had
as a painting which I had a picture of on my computer. Since I don't live in
my room at home anymore for the most part, it has cards/memorabilia all over

At school I have a few boxes scattered, one binder (brought the 1953 set with
me), and one drawer. Most of the cards are dupes which I brought back.

Fun topic!

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:49:44 -0600
From: "Greg \(yaz\)" <yazobc@insightbb.com>
Subject: OBC Santa

I just got off the phone with Jeff and explained that a number of us were without
names to send to this year. He happens to be moving at this moment and
doesn't have his list with him. He will get the list Monday and call me to
let me know the name. He will also be setting up his email again and will
contact the person I should be sending to to let them know that their package
may arrive late due to the mixup. I told him that Brock and Sal at least
are as unknowing as I am. He asks that they and anyone else affected call
him and he will give them their names and in case the package may be delayed,
contact their recipients to ease their dismay at no package under the tree.
Geno already gave us the number, here it is again. (608) 332 8473

Greg (yaz)
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:10:43 EST
To: familytoad@charter.net, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, Originaleek@webtv.net
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble
Date:   12/11/2004 2:07:56 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    familytoad@charter.net (Brian Lindholme)
To:    geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner), Originaleek@webtv.net
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:12:14 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: pre 1950's available

I have the following pre 1950's available. If interested please tell me  what
cards, and condition needs.

thanks, Bob bannon

1949 Bowman- 13.21.22.73

1948 Bowman- 31.41.

1941 Play Ball-37.46

1940 Play Ball-19.20.28.53.57.83.85.90.96.98.110.148.162

1939 Play ball-5.19.22.30.36.39.64.73.75.84.98.104.114.116.121.125

1934-36 Diamond Stars-4.41.56

1934 Goudey-28.30.31.36.39.41.48.68

1933 Goudey-15.23

1928 Yuenglings-#24 Mostil

1922 E121- Jacobson, Miller, Murphy, Stock, Toney

1909-11 E90-1 Grant, McInnes

Take a look, would love to put a trade together.  Thanks, Bob  Bannon
_www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com)

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:18:16 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

Sheesh, you guys rooms are WAY too neat!  I'll have to do some cleaning up
before I send a pic <g>~!

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:28:51 -0800 (PST)
To: ChicoD1@aol.com, familytoad@charter.net, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com,
From: Michael Wierzbicki <wierzbickim@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reckless Ramble

Hi, Gang!

My collection is housed in the room we call my "study."  I do some of my academic writing on the computer in this room, and so the room has to be clear enough for me to be able to work.

Baseball and baseball cards are one of several hobbies that fill the room.  I have one bookcase filled with books about baseball.  Another bookcase (that has books on philosophy, science, theology, and pseudoscience) has one shelf on which I have my Topps sets in binders, from 1960 through 1970.  The rest of the collection is stored in boxes--in the closet, on book shelves, under chairs.

I am a chess master (although I haven't played in a tournament for several years), and so I have a bookcase with chess books (and a few books on military history).

I have four bookshelves on the wall, on which are arranged my collection of mystery novels, with various articles in front of many books--Star Trek figures, baseball cards, and a set of postcards from the Houdini Museum in Appleton, Wisconsin (I used to be a member of the Society of American Magicians in the 1980s).

I don't have too much on the walls--a pennant from the Brewers' 1982 World Series year and a few chess plaques.  I recently picked up a frame for baseball cards, which I plan to use to display 20 or so autographed cards.

My wife says that she has given up on the room and that I can arrange the room however I want.  So, basically it is a mess, devoted to work and several hobbies.

Good topic!

Mike W

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 18:46:57 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com
Subject: My room

I have a  finished room in my basement that I would describe as my
refuge. In it you would  find a big projection TV hooked to a cable system,
my computer (strategically  located to offer a view of the TV to the right of
my computer screen), and a  wall filled with shelves. On those shelves, in one
section, are a series of  binders. The first five binders contain Hall of Fame
cards covering players from  1980 plus who have made the Hall of Fame plus
modern cards of older players who  are in the Hall. After that, you would find
28 binders covering all of my  vintage cards from 1908 to 1976.
Under the binders, you  would find Opie, my much loved  tan and
white guinea pig, standing guard  over the heart of my collection.
Across the way, there is a  pile of 24 large-count boxes (mostly
5000-c0unt boxes) containing my UV's.
That's about it.

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 19:06:39 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: 50's and 60's stars and money cards available

Hi again, Here we have cards from 50's and 60's that have a book value of
$10.00 or more. I asume that these are the harder to find cards, so I thought
they might be more needed.

Let me know what cards and condition that you need.

Lets put a trade together, Happy Holidays!!!

Bob Bannon _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com)

1967 # 225 Stottlemyre, 510 Mazeroski

1966 # 348 Orioles and 379 Cards

1963 # 46 T Aaron, 55 Virdon, 102 checklist, 191 checklist, 454  Fowler

1962  # 98 checklist, 277 checklist

1961 # 189 checklist, 437 checklist, 440 Aparicio

1960 # 174 Indians, 305 Ashburn

1959 #163 Koufax

1958 # 5 Mays, 377 Braves team, 464 Flood RC, 489 Jenson AS, 494 Spahn  AS

1957 # 5.6.8.23.28.37.44.47.49.53.57.59.61.78.105.110.128.132.136.

1955Topps #

1955Bowman #  5.6.8.13.39.53.92.102.104.109.114.117.119.122.123.124.125.127.

1954Bowman #

1954 Topps #

1953  Topps:214

1953 Bowman Color:74.

53 Bowman(B&W): 3.14.32.45.61

1952 Topps: 51

52 Berk Ross: Sheldon Jones

1952 Bowman: 37.65.74.83

1951 Bowman:69.119.121.144.225

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:15:16 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] an apology and an observation

<<<<I think you make some good points about mentoring,
which was instituted to help guide new members along.  Geordie has been
putting that info in the Directory for new members, but it would be harder
to find out who the older members had as a mentor.  If anyone wants to
volunteer any mentor info to Geordie, I'm sure he would be glad to put it in
the Directory.>>>>

To echo Geno, I would like to hear from any of you that are either being mentored,
or have mentored someone (or in some cases, many someones).  I willbe
happy to include that in the directory.

=================

To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:20:13 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" <gg.c1960@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

In my defence, I should mention that I threw out the empty beer bottles and
cleared my underwear and socks from the radiator before taking my photos!

-----Original Message-----
From: ChicoD1@aol.com [mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com]
Sent: 11 December 2004 23:18
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

*         Sheesh, you guys rooms are WAY too neat!  I'll have to do some
cleaning up before I send a pic <g>~!

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 16:26:20 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Paul Biggs <cardguybaseball@yahoo.com>
Subject: Collection Storage Practices

Well, to be honest, I'm not very organized. OK, it's a complete mess. I constantly try to "organize" my stuff, but as soon as I get half-way done, I change my mind and start over. This has been going on for about 30 years. I day I'll get it organized just the way I want it ( yeah right!).

At the moment, I have a big 4 shelf locked cabinet in my bedroom that houses lots of binders of sets & partial sets. On the top of that are more binders, and the walls are lined with more binders of complete sets. There are also scads of card boxes of varying sizes strewn about. My Jean Beliveau auto'd skates and Beliveau and Mike Bossy auto'd sticks are in the closet. 3 big boxes on the floor are packed with miscellaneous stuff, with more bits and pieces on top of those. There is also a bookcase packed with sports books. That's the upstairs.

The computer is downstairs, and that's where in process stuff goes. My kids are always on my case about how messy it is there (shouldn't it be the other way around????)

In the dining room, I have a curio cabinet packed with odd sized stuff and other cool items. In one of the cabinets under a book shelf is my football cards collection. On the walls are a couple of pictures - a Ted Williams print from Upper Deck, and an auto'd painting of Paul Henderson's series ending goal in the '72 Canada/Russia series. I also have an original print of Ken Danby's The Goalie that I haven't got around to framing yet (I just got that one - 30 years ago).

Dupes are in a dresser in my kid's bedroom closet.

If I find something to store in the kitchen, I'll have the whole house covered! What a mess. Good thing I don't have a wife anymore to nag me about it.

Paul Biggs

Do you Yahoo!?
Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.
=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 00:38:56 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" <gg.c1960@ntlworld.com>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

HA! And you all thought those were wax stains!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Rainsley [mailto:grains@dccnet.com]
Sent: 12 December 2004 00:23
To: 'Glenn Codere'
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

Ahhhh, but did you take your cards OUT of the underwear?

In my defence, I should mention that I threw out the empty beer bottles and
cleared my underwear and socks from the radiator before taking my photos!

-----Original Message-----
From: ChicoD1@aol.com [mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com]
Sent: 11 December 2004 23:18
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

*         Sheesh, you guys rooms are WAY too neat!  I'll have to do some
cleaning up before I send a pic <g>~!

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Date: 12 Dec 2004 02:05:21 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: My bit of heaven

Since everyone else seems to be fessin' up, I guess I might as well too.  My
card collection consists of about 50 binders of various sizes with my
completed and in-progress prewar and pre-1980 sets.  These binders proudly
occupy the top self in our computer room closet along with two selfs in a 4
self bookcase.  In addition, piled on top of another bookcase is a portfolio
book with about a dozen vintage Louisville Slugger and other bat posters and
some duplicates, along with some Baseball Magazine Supplements and an
original Babe Ruth Athletic Underwear sign.  At my office I have housed my
antique bat collection of about 60 or so bats dating from around 1860 to
around 1945, along with some vintage bubble gum boxes and advertising signs,
mostly of cigarette and tobacco products.  Of the two places, my office is
far and away the neatest, the the card collection being stuck wherever there
is room.  The wife thinks all this is midly amusing and more than a bit
compulsive.  Since her doctorate is in counseling psychology, she should
know.  She does thank me, however, for not hunting, golfing or being into
NASCAR, which seems to be  headquartered in this state.  I'm beginning to
master our digital camera and hopefully will have some photos of bats to
send out shortly.

There now, that wasn't so bad.  I feel better already.  Maybe I should go to
confession more often??  What say, Father Pat??

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 02:16:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Ken Morganti" <cardclctor@aol.com>
Subject: My cards threw my Mother out

Good topic!
My cards are currently stored in the closet in my room... well, most
of them anyway. The completed sets are in binders stacked on shelves
that Dad built specifically for them and there's more binders on the
floor in the closet. The sets I'm working on and most of the 'good'
dupes are scattered about the floor and two desks in my room. The
computer occupies a small corner of one of the desks, so I don't have
to keep running up and down the stairs like when I first joined OBC!
The remainder of the closet is filled with boxes of 1980's junk which
may never see the light of day at the rate I'm "organizing" them.
(Sorting through six thousand 1985 Topps commons isn't my idea of a
good time.) I live in a three bedroom house that I'm buying from my
parents (over the next 13 more years.) THEY moved out on ME - to NH
when Dad retired about five years ago... although he's probably
working more now than he ever did before. The middle bedroom (which
used to be theirs) is almost completely empty now, save for the old
computer. I could probably do something with it and turn it into a
better display of my collection, but at this point I'll wait before I
decide to do anything creative. Although the floor in the closet is
just piling up with binders as I start and finish more sets. A couple
of you have stopped in to view this organized chaos in person. Carlos
even took pictures a while back, but I don't know if he ever posted
any on his website. I don't have a camera, so you'll just have to
imagine a lot of boxes <G> I'll have to have my parents bring their
digital camera with them the next time they drop by to pay me a visit.

Ken M

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 21:45:34 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Show report (and thanks)

This morning I met up with Andy Cook and he drove us down to the Richmond VA
show in a pouring miserable rain.  Once inside the show, we headed right to
Chandy Greenholt's tables.  This time it was 25 cent commons from the 60s
(ho hum) and lots of interesting things for 50 cents each.  What is the best
thing about Bowmans?    They stick out like a sore thumb in a box of other
cards so it was easy to pick off all the Black & Whites we saw.  I found
half a dozen while Andy took all the 50-52s.  I also found a bunch of hits
to my 1963 Football list.  I bought some 63 FB dupes too but sadly Andy only
needed one of them.  At the next table, I found a 1959 Ray Berry for just 50
cents that will go into my dupes box (if Ed Schott already has it).
Following that, I picked up a few '56 Football including some of the stupid
SPs as dupes.  There was time for just one more table but there I found two
of the last three 1971-72 basketball cards I need.  I told Andy and he
immediately went over and found the remaining one for me.  THANKS!

Following the show and a lunch-in-the-car courtesy of McDonald's, we headed
up to Dan Austin's house.  As Dan and Andy pulled off a major deal (prewars
in exchange for regionals), I pulled some junk (though hits to my list) from
Dan's horde and finished off another Red Sox team set.  Dan also let us take
his old Beckett catalogue so we can study up on team sets and variations.
All too quickly it was time to go so we headed back home.

Thanks to Dan and Andy for a great day.  Hope to see you guys again soon.

=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 01:50:52 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jfsilva@aol.com
Subject: Reckless Ramble

I just bought a new house this summer - my first - so I am still living out
of boxes as I paint and redo floors. I guess the card boxes fit right in. I
have painted an office upstairs all except for the closet. The cards will likely
go there although i have a perfect sorting table in the basement so the boxes
might stay there. I guess what i am saying is that I have no clue where
everything will end up. Right now the binders are on shlves behind what used to be a
wet bar. The boxes are stacked on built-in shelves in a really ugly office in
the basement. They should porbably be together in one room with the computer.
So there!

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To: "o b" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:43:21 -0500
From: "jeff sinclair" <suzguy11@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Shrine

In what was intended to be a breakfast nook adjoining our kitchen is now called
the computer room. In close circles it is reverently referred to as "The
Shrine". The computer desk faces the window where you can watch the kidsplaying
ball in the backyard, of course you may have to slide a couple of stacks
of cardboard to get the full view. Behind you, a mere swivel of the chair
away are several shelves containing binders of cards (completed sets and
those nearing completion). in the cabinet to your right, under the wantlist
printer, are boxes of card sets that are far from completion, and other
worthy items of baseball interest. On the floor rests an antique tool boxwhich
contains the tools of the OBC trade, envelopes, puffies, and sheets of
all shapes and sizes. Other shelves contain an assortment of treasures, autographed
balls, Wheaties boxes, Bobbleheads, an unopened six pack of Iron
City Beer commemorating the Browns/Steelers rivalry, Adam's prized bottleof
Deans water that he won at an OBC trip to a Wildthings game, and many other
items of enthusiast interest. The wall space is gradually being eaten up
too. The stadium postcard collection, autographs of Bradshaw, Mean Joe, Stabler,
Al Oliver, Friend, Virdon. Law, Face and Maz among others, mucho Clemente
stuff, my sons sports awards, and several items of military memorabilia.
The shrine is a work in progress and those old pennants are going to look
great on the ceiling.

Do you remember the feel of the candy store steps?

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To: "obc" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 09:46:50 -0600
From: "ken goetsch" <kgoetsch@gdinet.com>
Subject: My little piece of heaven.......

Great topic, guys.

Here in my own little world in Watertown, Wisconsin......
I have a tri-level home, and very fortunate that all 3 of my kids are grownup
now.....and its all mine.
I occupy the whole lower level room.....which is about 33' x15' 2 of the corners
have wood cabinets filled from floor to ceiling with cards an bindersand
"old games from my childhood.
Games like Strat-o-matic from 64', strat -o-matic football and basketball, and
Battleship, monopoly, my 1957 erector set, Lincoln logs,and all sorts of
On the walls I have framed [cheap frames].........front pages of newspapersfrom
important dates in my life.  Kennedy assassination, end of Vietnam war,
landing on the moon, Desert Storm, Robert Kennedy assassination, Henry Aaron
breaking Babes record from 74', Younts 3000 hit, Milwaukee Bucks breakthe
Lakers 33 game winning streak from January 10, 1972, Bucks trading of Kareem,
Nixon Resigns, Elvis dies,and of course the Packers Super Bowl win in
97'.   Then on the 15' wall is all shelves with all my monster boxes of mostly
U.V. stuff..............an old Rca console stereo set from 1964 withold
time turntable, still works great.....the sound is great. pool table......which
only gets played when my son comes home, and chair ,sofa, and table
always filled with my dups boxes,right in front of the TV for easy watching
and pulling.
Thanks for listening...........
Ken Goetsch-OBC

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 14:47:38 EST
To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My little piece of heaven.......

Ken and I are at the same point in life where are children are gone.   I had
the luxury of designing our retirement house -- no, let me rephrase that -- I
was able to provide a little bit of input as Debbie was designing our
retirement home.   As a result,  I ended up with my own study,  but being retired,
what do I have to study except baseball???
I have a cherry table/desk with a laptop computer,  floor to ceiling
bookcases on two walls,  a gas fireplace (after all this is South Alabama!!),  and a
plasma TV over the mantle.   I put in a "closet" off the study that has a
countertop/desk along two walls and bookcases above.   I keep the pre-1964 sets in
nice binders in the study where the 4 autographed limited edition prints of
the 1953 Topps artwork of Mantle, Ford, Mays, and Feller hang.  (Marriott bought
the original artwork and did a limited series of 2000 lithographs.)   Also in
the room is the framed Aaron game jersey signed by all the 500 HR hitters
since WWII up through Bonds.   I have a special display of all of Stan Musial's
regular series cards, with his HOF plaque postcard, and a signed picture.
Along with a picture of me in my Ole Miss band uniform standing beside my 1953
Plymouth when I was a freshman in 1965 are my baseball gloves,  my autographed
baseballs,  a photo of Dizzy Dean and Satchel Paige demonstrating their
pitching grips for a mid-30's barnstorming tour, and an autographed picture of
Mantle, Williams, and Musial at an All-Star game demonstrating their batting grips.
In the "closet" are my binders of post-1963 sets,  HOFer card binders, and
dupes.   I have a hanging display of a couple of dozen autographed baseballs
and the 1960 Cardinals photo pennant I got at the first major league game I
attended.   (I also have the scorecard I kept signed by Musial, Broglio and Hal
Smith, and my scorecards from the 1964 Cardinals-Yankees world series.   The
scorebooks with scored games from every major league game I have seen in person
are in the file drawers.).
Upstairs in the media room (6 recliners and a 55" plasma) are my signed
posters of the 3000 hit club,  my autographed Hopalong Cassidy display,  and
several other autographed pictures including my favorite left-handed pitcher, Warren
I know this sounds too good to be true,  but any of you are welcome to come
for a visit when you get ready to come to the beach!!!
Take care,

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 13:38:34 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: Swapfest Report

The other day I mentioned that I got a call inviting me to a swap
session of a few local collectors. Only eight guys were there, but there
was no shiny stuff in sight. I came away with hits to the TV's, a few
hi#'s from '59 thru '64, and even managed to pick off a few from my CFL
list. Did better than I do when I pay money to get into the "show" and
nearly get blinded for my trouble. The best part was that not a dime was
exchanged during the swapfest. Some of those chaps do run tables at the
local "show" but they seemed to have a good grip on what swapping is
about. The highlight for me was when every single one of them remarked
on my OBC T-shirt. Lots of compliments about the website, and a couple
of guys even said they had thought about applying. They were all easy to
get along with when it came time to make a deal, unlike at the shows,
where dealers try to screw you out of every dime for the most part. Just
a great visit, with the promise of more in the future. I was very happy
to find that in this hotbed of baseball card collecting (hah!), there
are a few out there just like me. Just needed the opportunity to hook

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 16:59:53 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My little piece of heaven.......

I guess I'm at the opposite end of Brock.  Five years ago I had a BB
Card room and Study which was one of my two unused bedrooms.  I then got
married and the BB Card room became my step daughter's room.  Then we
had a baby and the room became the nursery, my bedroom became my step
daughter's.  For those of you keeping score, I now was short a bedroom.
My wife and I moved to the family room.  The solution was to build into
the garage.  I now have a 12x10 office with a built in book case for all
my binders and some choice BB books.  The walls are full of pictures
(mostly red sox) and I even have a 14" TV.  I'll try to send a picture
out in a week of so and I encourage everyone to do the same.

Now I just got to figure a way to get down south and visit Brock!

p.s.  I also have a bedroom again!

=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:12:04 EST
To: T206Guy@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OK... Lets see everyone's "sports room"!

I've enjoyed reading about everyone's collection rooms/spaces. When my wife
and I bought our house a few years ago we made a deal, I get one room to
decorate and she gets the rest of the house. My first card room turned into my
first son's room so now I'm in the basement, where I have cable, a bathroom and
lots of spread-out space! I keep most of my collection in my grandfather's
navy  trunk from WWII. On the walls I have a couple tipton Turkey Reds, a few
autographed 8x10s, a mid-60s Senators pennant, a couple Sporting Life inserts
and an action photo of me playing third base in 1981. I'm leaping for a line
drive fully extended. Unfortunately careful examination of the picture reveals
that the line drive is already past me, but it's a leap worthy of a
highlight  reel!

=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 17:22:36 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: 1966-69 Kahns Checklist Help

Thanks to Dan Austin for providing me a big Beckett yesterday, I combined
the Kahns checklist for the Big Beckett and Big SCD (which don't match) into a
single checklist. I have some cards which don't fit the descriptions listed
however. Can anyone help fill in some of the holes? It's attached in text
below.  Or you can view it online at
_http://members.aol.com/typecard/kahncheck.html_
(http://members.aol.com/typecard/kahncheck.html)

Thanks, Andy

Aaron, Hank  1968 Braves Yellow Small
Aaron, Hank Full pose batting  bat cocked 1968 Braves Yellow Large
Aaron, Hank Portrait 1969 Braves Yellow  Small
Aaron, Hank Portrait 1969 Braves Yellow Large
Aaron, Henry Port, no  windbreaker under jersey 1966 Braves Yellow Large
Aaron, Henry Swinging  batting glove, ball & hat on ground 1967 Braves Yellow
Aaron, Henry  Swinging batting glove, ball & hat on ground, cut along dollted
lines  printed on lower tab 1967 Braves Yellow Large
Agee, Tommy  1968   Yellow Large
Alley, Gene Fielding, full pose 1968 Pirates Yellow  Large
Alley, Gene Fielding, full pose 1968 Pirates Yellow Small
Alley,  Gene Portrait 1967 Pirates Yellow Large
Alou, Felipe Full pose batting,  screen in background 1966 Braves Yellow Large
Alou, Felipe Full pose batting,  swinging player in background 1968 Braves
Yellow Large
Alou, Felipe Full  pose, bat on shoulder 1967 Braves Yellow Large
Alou, Matty Batting 1969  Pirates Yellow Large
Alou, Matty Portrait with bat Matio Alou 1968 Pirates  Yellow Large
Alou, Matty Portrait with bat Matio Alou 1968 Pirates Red  Large
Alou, Matty Portrait with bat, Matio Rojas Alou 1967 Pirates Red  Large
Alou, Matty Portrait with bat, Matio Rojas Alou 1967 Pirates Yellow  Large
Alvis, Max Fielding glove on ground 1968 Indians Yellow Large
Alvis,  Max Fielding glove on ground 1968 Indians Yellow Small
Alvis, Max Fielding,  hands on knees 1967 Indians Yellow Large
Alvis, Max Kneeling 69 patch on  jersey 1969 Indians Yellow Large
Alvis, Max Kneeling full pose with bat, no  patch on jersey 1966 Indians
Yellow Large
Arrigo, Gerry Leg up 1969 Reds  Yellow Large
Arrigo, Gerry Pitching follow thru delivery 1968 Reds Yellow  Large
Bailey, Bob  1966  Yellow Large
Bench, John  1968  Reds Yellow Large
Blasingame, Wade  1966  Yellow Large
Blass,  Steve Ready to pitch, hands together 1969 Pirates Yellow Large
Bolling,  Frank  1966  Yellow Large
Boyer, Clete Fielding 1968 Braves Yellow  Large
Boyer, Clete Fielding 1968 Braves Yellow Small
Boyer, Ken Batting  righthanded, autograph at waist 1967  Yellow Large
Boyer, Ken Batting  righthanded, autograph shoulder, cut along dotted lines
printed on lower tab  1967  Yellow Large
Brown, Larry  1968  Yellow  Large
Cardenas, Chico Fielding feet at base 1966 Reds Yellow  Large
Cardenas, Chico Fielding hand on knee 1967 Reds Yellow  Large
Cardenas, Leo  1968 Reds Yellow Small
Cardenas, Leo Leaping in  the air 1968 Reds Yellow Large
Carroll, Clay Pitching follow thru 1969 Reds  Yellow Large
Carty, Rico  1967  Yellow Large
Clemente,  Roberto  1966  Yellow Large
Cloninger, Tony  1969 Reds Yellow  Large
Cloninger, Tony Pitching foulpole in background 1966 Braves Yellow  Large
Cloninger, Tony Pitching, no foulpole in background 1967 Braves Yellow  Large
Culver, George  1969  Yellow Large
Davalillo, Vic   1966  Yellow Large
Davis, Tommy  1967  Yellow  Large
Edwards, John Catching 1966 Reds Yellow Large
Edwards, John Kneeling  with bat 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Ellis, Sam All red hat 1967 Reds Yellow  Large
Ellis, Sam All red hat 1967 Reds Red Blue Small
Ellis, Sam All red  hat, cut along dotted lines printed on lower tab 1967
Reds Yellow  Large
Ellis, Sam White hat 1966 Reds Yellow Large
Fisher, Jack   1967  Yellow Large
Freehan, Bill  1968 Tigers Yellow  Small
Freehan, Bill  1968 Tigers Yellow Large
Gonzalez, Pedro   1966  Yellow Large
Hargan, Steve Pitching clouds in background 1968  Indians Yellow Large
Hargan, Steve Pitching, no clouds blue sky 1967 Indians  Yellow Large
Harper, Tommy Arm cocked 1966 Reds Yellow Large
Harper, Tommy  Fielding, glove on ground 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Helms, Tommy Batting  righthanded top of bat visible 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Helms, Tommy Batting  righthanded, bat chopped above hat, cut along dotted
lines printed on lower tab  1967 Reds Yellow Large
Horlen, Joel Pitching 1969 White Sox Yellow  Large
Horlen, Joel Portrait 1968 White Sox Yellow Large
Horton, Tony  Batting 1969  Yellow Large
Horton, Tony Portrait signed Anthony 1968  Indians Yellow Large
Horton, Willie Batting 1968 Tigers Yellow  Large
Jenkins, Ferguson  1968  Yellow Large
Johnson, Alex   1969  Yellow Large
Johnson, Deron Batting in front of Stands 1968 Braves  Yellow Large
Johnson, Deron Batting with batting cage in background 1966 Reds  Yellow Large
Johnson, Deron Batting, blue sky 1967 Reds Yellow  Large
Johnson, Ken Pitching 1967 Braves Yellow Large
Jones, Cleon   1967  Yellow Large
Jones, Mack  1966  Yellow Large
Jones,  Mack  1968 Reds Yellow Large
Kranepool, Ed Ready for throw 1967   Red Large
Kranepool, Ed Ready for throw 1967  Yellow Large
Lee,  Bob  1968  Yellow Large
Lemaster, Denver  1966  Yellow  Large
Maloney, Jim  1968 Reds Green Large
Maloney, Jim  1968  Reds Yellow Small
Maloney, Jim  1969 Reds Yellow Large
Maloney, Jim  Blue Mountain Logo 1968 Reds Yellow Large
Maloney, Jim Pitching white hat  1966 Reds Yellow Large
Maloney, Jim Pitching, hands at side 1969 Reds Yellow  Small
Maloney, Jim Pitching, red hat, follow thru delivery 1967 Reds Yellow  Large
Maloney, Jim Pitching, red hat, follow thru delivery 1967 Reds Red  Large
Maloney, Jim Red hat, pitching hands up 1968 Reds Yellow Large
May,  Lee Batting 1968 Reds Yellow Small
May, Lee Batting 1968 Reds Yellow  Large
May, Lee Foot on bag 1969 Reds Red Large
May, Lee Foot on bag 1969  Reds Yellow Large
May, Lee Hands on knee 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Mazeroski,  Bill Portrait, autograph above waist, cut along dotted lines
printed on lower  tab 1967 Pirates Yellow Large
Mazeroski, Bill Portrait, autograph below waist  1967 Pirates Yellow Large
Mazeroski, Bill Throwing 1966 Pirates Yellow  Large
Mazeroski, Wm Fielding hands in front of body 1968 Pirates Yellow  Large
Mazeroski, Wm Fielding hands in front of body 1968 Pirates Yellow  Small
Mazeroski, Wm Hands on knees 1969 Pirates Yellow Large
Mazeroski, Wm  Hands on knees 1969 Pirates Red Large
McAuliffe, Dick Hands out ready to  catch 1968 Tigers Yellow Large
McCool, Bill Red hat left hand down 1968   Yellow Large
McCool, Bill Red hat, left hand out 1967 Reds Yellow  Large
McCool, Bill White hat 1966 Reds Yellow Large
McDowell, Sam Kneeling  1966 Indians Yellow Large
McDowell, Sam Leg up 1969 Indians Yellow  Large
McDowell, Sam Leg up 1969 Indians Red Large
McDowell, Sam Pitching  left hand over glove 1968 Indians Red Large
McDowell, Sam Pitching left hand  over glove 1968 Indians Yellow Large
McDowell, Sam Pitching, left hand under  glove 1967 Indians Yellow Large
Menke, Denis Blue sleeves 1967 Braves Yellow  Large
Menke, Denis White windbreaker under jersey 1966 Braves Yellow  Large
Nuxhall, Joe  1966  Yellow Large
Pagliaroni, Jim Catching,  no chest protector 1967 Pirates Yellow Large
Pagliaroni, Jim Catching, with  chest protector 1966 Pirates Yellow Large
Pappas, Milt  1966   Yellow Large
Pavletich, Don  1967 Reds Yellow Large
Perez, Tony  Fielding ball in glove 1968 Reds Yellow Large
Perez, Tony Fielding ball in  glove 1968 Reds Red Large
Perez, Tony Glove on ground 1969 Reds Yellow  Large
Perez, Tony Glove on ground 1969 Reds Yellow Small
Perez, Tony  Throwing 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Peters, Gary Pitching 1969 White Sox Yellow  Large
Peters, Gary Portrait 1968 White Sox Yellow Large
Pinson, Vada  Batting 1968 Reds Yellow Small
Pinson, Vada Batting 1968 Reds Yellow  Large
Pinson, Vada Fielding ball on ground 1966 Reds Yellow Large
Pinson,  Vada Ready to throw 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Ribant, Dennis  1967   Yellow Large
Rose, Pete Batting 1967 Reds Yellow Large
Rose, Pete White  glove 1966 Reds Yellow Large
Ruiz, Chico  1968  Yellow  Large
Santo, Ron Batting follow thru 1968 Cubs Yellow Large
Santo, Ron  Batting follow thru 1968 Cubs Red Large
Santo, Ron Emblem 1969 Cubs Red  Large
Santo, Ron Emblem 1969 Cubs Yellow Large
Shamsky, Art  1967  Reds Yellow Large
Shamsky, Art  1968 Mets Yellow Large
Shaw, Bob  Pitching follow thru 1967 Cubs Yellow Large
Siebert, Sonny Pitching signature  at feet 1966 Indians Yellow Large
Siebert, Sonny Pitching, signature at knees  1967 Indians Yellow Large
Stargell, Willie Batting clouds in sky 1966 Pirates  Yellow Large
Stargell, Willie Batting no clouds 1967 Pirates Yellow  Large
Tiant, Luis Glove at knee 1969 Indians Yellow Large
Tiant, Luis  Hands over head 1968 Indians Yellow Large
Torre, Joe  1969 Cardinals  Yellow Large
Torre, Joe Batting 1968 Braves Yellow Small
Torre, Joe  Batting 1968 Braves Yellow Large
Torre, Joe Catching with mask in hand 1966  Braves Yellow Large
Torre, Joe Catching, mask on ground 1967 Braves Yellow  Large
Torre, Joe Catching, mask on ground, cut along dotted lines printed on  lower
tab 1967 Braves Yellow Large
Veale, Bob Hands at knee with glasses 1966  Pirates Yellow Large
Veale, Bob Hands at knees no glasses 1969 Pirates Yellow  Large
Veale, Bob Hands chest high 1968 Pirates Yellow Large
Veale, Bob  Hands chest high 1968 Pirates Yellow Small
Veale, Bob Portrait, hands not  shown 1967 Pirates Yellow Large
Wagner, Leon Batting 1968 Indians Yellow  Large
Wagner, Leon Fielding 1967 Indians Yellow Large
Whitfield,  Fred  1966 Indians Yellow Large
Whitfield, Fred Batting lefthanded 1967  Indians Yellow Large
Whitfield, Fred Batting lefthanded, cut along dotted  lines printed on lower
tab 1967 Indians Yellow Large
Williams, Billy Bat  behind back 1968 Cubs Yellow Large
Williams, Billy Bat behind head 1969 Cubs  Yellow Large
Wilson, Earl  1968  Yellow Large
Woodward,  Woody  1967  Yellow Large

=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:35:15 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: THE HOUSE (ROOM) OF MAXWELL
=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 22:38:25 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: In My Room

I was reading all about the non-supersized house of Maxwell, thinking to
myself, what a great topic this could be and then there was the next note......

While I share the finished portion of our basement with my wife and two
children (primarily because another computer is down here, plus my daughter has an
art desk along one wall), most of the stuff down here is mine.  I have a
number of books and magazines strewn about, a bar stuffed full of various
collectibles and other items, including my late 70's sets and a slew of records i plan
to sell on evilbay soon.  I have the rest of my cards in old armoire that is
getting pretty full but still suits my needs for the most part.  The
wainscoting has a small ledge above it and I have all sorts of goodies piled up along
here: simpsons figurines, old cassettes, post cards, a card of lynn miller, some
hartlands and hot wheels for example.  Off to the left of my workstation is a
shelf or two full of reference books, baseball, hobby and otherwise and off
the right are my guitars and amp, a keyboard (my daughter's) plus some other
junk.  This part of the house is definitely my space, even though some of it is
shared.  We just moved a small couch down here and I have cable too, so all i
need is to get a stereo down here and i'll never have to go upstairs again :-)

=================

Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 20:32:09 -0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: digdugdig@webtv.net
Subject: My "stuff"

Uugghh, where to start!!!

It's not a question of where I store my cards but where not!!

I have no "2nd party" giving "advice" so I do as I please (eat your
heart's out!!!).

I have cards on the table to the left of the couch, right of the couch,
behind the couch...none under the couch... that I know of!! (and lord
knows, none between the cushions of the couch...ouch!!).

Some on the shelf in the bedroom closet...some in boxes on the bedroom
floor...but none in the bathroom....that would be "moof"
right!!...except for my framed SI with Bobby Orr on the cover!!!

I sit cross-legged in front of the tv on the floor when on-line and next
to me is a pile of envelopes....empty now, but with return addresses...a
referrence book...uuuggghhh, pile...a reminder of who OBC is...and I
haven't forgotten...gimme some time...may take awhile....leave the light
on for me, just don't wait up!!

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 00:42:03 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: My cave

At least thats what Judy calls it.  But it's not in the basement ..this is
Texas.  The clay is so unstable we can't have basements.  Fortunately I have a
room above the garage.  It's a nice room, 13 x22.  In it is my computer desk, a
small bookcase next to the desk for important stuff like my SCD cataloge and
baseball encyclopedia and of course my dups box.  Along the walls are two
beautiful (in my eyes) bricks and boards book cases.  Well I've been dragging the
bricks and boards all over the country since I graduated from college 39 years
ago.  I did paint the boards once though.  Thank God someone else paid for
the moves.  One of the book cases is 8 feet long and the other 10.  Each has two
shelves for binders of cards mostly, and they are full.  There's a shelf on
top of the bookcases for a few signed balls, hats, bottles, and stuff.  I also
have a 6 foot maple cabinet left from my bedroom when i was a kid with one
open shelve for books, mostly baseball books or all those books that come with
computer software.  Underneat the open shelf is a closed are with 4 door.  Its a
great place to hide boxes and boxes of stuff from 1981-1993 (i haven;t bought
a new cards since 93) that will get sorted some day after I retire.  Of
course I have no plans to retire.

The far end of the room has a bed ...I suppose if Judy gets really pissed I
have a place to sleep.  Actually I've never used it, but occasionally my son
will be home and have a friend over.  It also has a small table that Judy
occasionally uses to do work for the church library if I give her permission to
enter my cave ... shhh ..don';t tell her i said that.  Most of the time people
leave me alone in my cave.

Unfortunately, because this is a room above the garage, after about the first
three feet the walls are slanted in the shape of the roof.  So there's no
place to hang and show off all my wonderful (in my opinion) stuff.  There is
about a 15 foot hallway leading to my cave that has a straight wall on one side.
So i have three cases that i've hung on the wall to show off some on my Ty
Cobb and Christy Mathewson collection, along with a few other prized items like
the 52 mantle and the clemente rookie.

Unfortunately it's not Brocks retirement palace or Dave Kolenda's magnificent
basement, but it works for me.

- Doug

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:05:21 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: any chance this is real

I bid on this, then had second thoughts.  Now the high bidder has apparently
backed out.  the price is incredibly cheap, leading me to believe others don;t
think its real.  what would you do? - Doug

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5148282334&category=86841

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:09:42 -0500
To: Traderdoug@aol.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My cave

OK, I have been waiting with great anticipation for Mike Rich's
contribution to this subject. As a number of other FOOT/OBC members can
attest "Rich's Sports Card & Memorabilia Museum" is a site to behold.
Without exaggeration, his entire house is his collection room! To give
you all a perspective, the only thing that comes close in size & volume
is his wantlist. I have visited the Museum on a few occasions & have yet
to see the entire collection. I have viewed the ground floor and the
upper level, but have yet to see the lower level. I think we must be
patient though. By my calculations, if Mike started a description of his
collection areas on Sunday, he should be ready to post about Wednesday!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:22:51 -0500
To: Traderdoug@aol.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

From one of the lesser experts within OBC, it sure would be worth a few
questions to the seller if you haven't already done so. Even the
enlarged pictures are too small to read, so it's difficult to get a
sense of authenticity.
Good Luck!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:35:07 EST
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real
Date:   12/13/2004 10:10:08 AM Eastern Standard Time
From:    Traderdoug@aol.com
To:    obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:05:21 EST
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real
=================

To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:55:53 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb" <apspr@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

It's a pretty convincing fake, but I've got to believe it is a fake.  Probably
one of those "older reprints."  I guess you could ask the seller if he guarantees
authenticity-- but I'd be very grateful with Cracker Jacks.  There
are a lot of fakes around.

----- Original Message -----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

I bid on this, then had second thoughts.  Now the high bidder has apparently
backed out.  the price is incredibly cheap, leading me to believe others
don;t think its real.  what would you do? - Doug

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:57:03 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb" <apspr@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

That was supposed to be "I'd be very careful with Cracker Jacks"

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Newcomb
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Traderdoug@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

It's a pretty convincing fake, but I've got to believe it is a fake.  Probably
one of those "older reprints."  I guess you could ask the seller if he
guarantees authenticity-- but I'd be very grateful with Cracker Jacks.  There
are a lot of fakes around.

----- Original Message -----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

I bid on this, then had second thoughts.  Now the high bidder has apparently
backed out.  the price is incredibly cheap, leading me to believe others
don;t think its real.  what would you do? - Doug

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:59:00 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

I'm doubtful.  It's a pretty bad picture and the guy's feedback is not
all that great.  I would email him and ask him to guarantee that it is
real.  I would then pay with Paypal.  If it is not real you should be
able to get your money back via Paypal.

-----Original Message-----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com [mailto:Traderdoug@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 10:05 AM
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

I bid on this, then had second thoughts.  Now the high bidder has
apparently backed out.  the price is incredibly cheap, leading me to
believe others don;t think its real.  what would you do? - Doug

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 11:31:22 -0500
From: "Bob Reed" <boreed@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

If you look at his completed items he's sold, they are almost all 2003/2004
cards with the exception of a 1996 Dale Earnhart card.  I'd be interested to
hear his story on how he acquired this card.

>From: Traderdoug@aol.com
>To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real
>Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 10:05:21 EST
>I bid on this, then had second thoughts.  Now the high bidder has
>backed out.  the price is incredibly cheap, leading me to believe others
>think its real.  what would you do? - Doug
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5148282334&category=86841

=================

Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 19:09:00 EST
To: apspr@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, TraderDoug@aol.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] any chance this is real

It's absolutely a fake. The color and type are all wrong.

=================

To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:33:08 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Subject: new set and availables

Hi gang - just got done sorting out a large lot of '61 Fleer and have the following
available.  LMK - I owe everyone, so ask away.

002 002 003 003 007 007 007 007 007 007 008 008 010 010 010 011 012 012 012012
013 013 014 016 018 019 019 019 020 020 021 022 022 022 022 023 023 023
023 024 025 025 025 026 026 027 027 027 028 028 029 030 030 031 032 035 035
036 038 038 038 038 039 039 041 041 042 042 042 043 045 046 048 049 049 050
050 051 052 053 054 055 055 055 056 057 058 058 059 060 061 062 062 062062
064 066 067 068 068 069 070 070 071 071 071 072 074 074 074 076 078 079
081 081 082 082 082 082 083 083 083 083 084 084 085 086 086 087 088 088 088
091 091 091 091 093 093 093 094 094 096 096 097 099 099 102 102 102 102 102
103 105 105 105 105 105 106 109 110 110 110 111 112 114 115 117 117 117118
119 120 120 120 121 121 123 123 124 124 125 126 126 126 126 126 129 129
129 132 133 135 138 138 138 138 139 141 141 141 141 144 144 144 144 144 145
146 147 147 147 147 147 148 150 150 151 151 153 153 153
=================

Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 20:52:06 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jeff_sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>
Subject: Santa exchange

Hi everybody --
I've been in the process of moving for the last week or so and
haven't seen my e-mail until now, and a couple of OBCers have
contacted me by phone to find out what's going on with the victims
they never received, and so on.

First off, apologies to those who didn't get victims assigned.  It
appears that some people sent e-mails to me that never arrived, and a
handful of the e-mails I sent out with victim names didn't get there,
either.  Don't know why...perhaps we all have agressive spam filters

Anyway, if you are Greg Conway, Dan Angland, Jim Wiehe, Sal Domino or
Brock Hattox, you should have just gotten an e-mail from me.
Otherwise, I'm not aware of any problems.   You can either send me an
e-mail (I promise I'll responsd quickly!) or call me at 646.241.8622.

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 18:50:00 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>
Subject: Just a regular Room

I've enjoyed the descriptions of where collectors collect in their homes. It
all sounds familiar. I first thought: Well I don't have a separate room. We
have a 3 bedroom condo and my stuff is in "Anna's room." Except our daughter
Anna has lived in California the past 5 years and we are in Chicago. The
only thing that is hers is the bed. As I look around the rest of the place
I guess it is my baseball card room. Well not completely since there arefootball,
basketball and hockey cards here as well. Oh and some posters and
photos of Ruth, Gehrig, Cobb, Lance Armstrong, Wagner and Waner. Just a regular
George Vrechek
=================

Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 17:05:45 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Jerry Coker <obcbeatle@yahoo.com>
Subject: wantlist url change and thanks

Sorry to post this to both listserv's, but I want to
make sure the word gets out :)  My wantlist webpage
has changed again.  Minor change, but a change
non-the-less.  The new url is:

http://home.earthlink.net/~cokerja/wantlist.html

Thanks to Joe Issac for making the change on the OBC
website directory for me.  And to Geordie Calvert who
will make the change beginning with the January
directory emailed to OBC'ers.

I also want to thank to Bill Malson for 3 recent hits
to my 60T set!  Much appreciated Bill!!

Thanks OBC!!!

Jerry Coker

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 05:34:59 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: if there's a way to screw it up...

If you've ever lived in/near DC, you know there's nothing the DC  government
can't screw up. At work, we've been joking for months that  someway, somehow
the DC government would find a way to lose the team they'd  spent so much time
attracting. And they did...

_http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_com_press_release.jsp?ymd041215
(http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_com_press_release.jsp?ymd041215&content_id=922841&vkey=pr_mlbcom

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 10:04:06 -0500
From: "Bob Reed" <boreed@hotmail.com>
Subject: Future OBCer?

Maureen at a baby girl yesterday at 4:34 PM.  Around 10:00 AM they were very
close to an emergency c-section but things got better and mom and baby are
doing great.

Name: Keera Elizabeth Reed
Birthday: 12/15/04
Time: 4:34 PM
Weight: 7 lbs 12 oz
Length: 20 inches
Pictures: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/utterchaos99
One picture of Keera and one of Connor, Grandpa, Katie, and Keera (big
brother, Brendan's not in the picture).

Time to get that 2004 birth year set listed.

-Bob Reed

=================

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 22:52:49 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: bdangelo@aol.com
Subject: Gersh tackles Tampa

Hi gang,

Got an e-mail late Wednesday night from Larry Gersbach, who said he was flying into Tampa for about 48 hours. He left a number, so I called him and set up a dinner meeting, Tampa style.

Gersh not only got to sample some nice Cuban-American cuisine, he also got to watch the antics of my three youngest children as they struggled mightily not to squirm for the two hours Gersh visited with us.

After picking Larry up at the downtown Hyatt Regency in Tampa, we drove to the West Tampa section of town. We drove by the Lou Piniella Softball Field, an area where Lou played as a child. And, right behind the third base stands sat the boyhood home of Sweet Lou (he wasn't there). Invariably, though, his parents are out on the porch, or having yard sales or selling sour oranges or tobacco dust. Enterprising folks.

We went to dinner at one of the restaurants on Columbus Drive, known as "Boliche Boulevard" for the many Cuban restaurants along the drive. We ate at La Teresita, Gersh had roast pork and I had boliche. The place is stark and humble, but the food is great.

Gersh was nice enough to hand me a pair of cards -- a 1954 Topps card of Vern Law, and a 1954 Bowman of Eddie Mathews! Wow, that was cool.

It was great to swap stories about OBC, the members we have met, and the quests and adventures we have had chasing down cards. Hope to do it again soon.

Thanks, Gersh!

=================

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:11:40 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Tickets

I have tickets to Dallas Mavericks playoff games from 2001, 2002, and 2004.
Of course they are tickets to games that were never played.  If anyone
collects those things let me know before i throw them out. - Doug

=================

Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 23:33:12 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Another 1915 Crackerjack Cobb

About a week ago I asked your opinion of whether a 1915 Crackerjack Cobb on
eBay was real.  Almost unanimous consensous was that is was a fake.  So here
comes another one.  Trimmed but nice looking.  Reputable (I think) dealer.  Is
this going to shoot up in price at the end of the auction?  Probably.  But
what's keeping the bidding down?  - Doug
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5148527938&ssPageNameSTRK:MEBI:IT

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:01:16 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Secret Santa

I received my package.  I am sending out my package today.

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:15:15 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: House of Cards

I read the stories of everyone's collection with a twinge of shame.  My
cards are scattered into every room of my house.  At times they've been in
the kitchen though they aren't any there at the moment.  I have a
combination living room/dining room.  That's where the "active" stuff is.
There's a 5' bookcase close at hand for my most active binders: Red Sox,
Bowman baseball, odd ball, Parkhurst & Topps hockey, football and non-sport.
Kelloggs (still working on those, team cards, OPC baseball and OPC hockey
take up space on a 6' foot bookcase by the front door.  Mainly, that
bookcase is for my Topps run -- 1952 (no highs) through 1965 are stored
there.  The rest of the Topps run is upstairs in the second bedroom.  Some
of the sets have been pulled out of albums and are in boxes.  Its cheaper,
takes up less space and I wasnt spending time looking at them or upgrading.
Basketball albums are scattered between two bookcases but I know where they
are.  My bulging Red Sox UV collection is in binders in three milk crates.
And there are boxes and cards everywhere.  All over my desk, all around me,
at my feet, and of course in closets and extra bedrooms.  My vintage dupes
are close by but when you have over 20,000 vintage dupes (8000 baseball,
1000 basketball, 5000 football, 3000 hockey, 3000 OPC baseball, 3000
non-sport), it takes up quite a bit of space.  Then there is the "unsorted
cards".  Peter Mead loves to visit and go through the two or three boxes of
vintage stuff which hold my latest purchases, cards pulled for OBCers but
not mailed and other stuff like Exhibits and Red Man where I can't decide if
Im going to work on the sets or not.

I still cling to the (naive?) belief that one day all this stuff will be
under control but often, its overwhelming.

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 07:55:30 -0700 (MST)
To: "OBC Ramblings" <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: tknowles@sofast.net
Subject: Orlando card shops?

Hi all,

We will be spending the holidays at Disney World and was wondering about
any OBC Friendly card shops.  I remember one in Kissimmee called Baseball
Card World, but I couldn't find any information online about it; probably
not in existence any more.  Any help would be appreciated.

Any OBCers in the Orlando area?  I know there are a couple around

I never met an OBCer I didn't like....

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:20:34 -0800 (PST)
To: obc ramblings <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: Matthew <obc_spike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dodger WS highlight VHS available

Anyone Dodger fans interested in past world series highlight video tapes? I
believe I have two from the 1950s and 1960s. 1955 and 1963, something like

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=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:19:52 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com
Subject: Pondering question

Hello all,
As many OBCers know a fellow OBCer Spike Glidden  collects all cards that
are numbered 5 my Pondering Question is as a New York  City Fireman, knowing
what happened on that terrible day in September should i  do alittle Baseball
card tribute and try to collect all cards numbered 343  representing my
brothers killed that day?
Let me know
Rob Gioia

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 16:58:18 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Serial #d cards wanted going on a  page/Washington on ESPN /slow

5     Spike (#05?  #005?  #0005? #00005)

343  Rob  (What about #0343,  #00343, #911 & #0911, #00911?)

440  Keith (also #0440 & #00440)

1944 Dave Fallen  [birth yr] (#01944 ok?)

1963 Keith  [birthyear] (#01963 too)

Anyone else want to collect their birth year, married year, graduation
year or whatever?
I'm going to start a very small web page about people who collect
certain serial #s, including email addy, so if anyone wants to be
included LMK :-)  Specify if only certain sports/years are wanted & if
the variations with the extra 0s are wanted.   Also maybe include a
reason for liking the # & I'll see if I can add that somewhere.  If any
of the above people object to being on the page LMK & I'll remove you.
I'll send the link to all when I start/finish it, maybe tonight.
I think Chris Stufflestreet was considering a number (was it #451?) but
not sure what the status is so I'll leave him off unless he emails me.

The next episode of ESPN OUTSIDE the LINES is about baseball in
Washington.  I don't know when it airs as I just caught part of the info
at the bottom of the screen on a scroll somewhere on Thursday.

I'm glad to see Tim Hudson sign with the Braves!   Note to Fantasy
owners: Turner field is also a pitcher's park (like Oakland) plus he
doesn't have to deal with the DH getting 4-5 ABs a game, so his ERA will
likely drop & his Ks increase I'd say :-)

I mailed a puffy from GA by 1st class to Ken Goetsch (Wisc) on 11-24 but
it didn't arrive until a few days ago!   It took over twice as long as a
book mailed to Sal (NY) by media mail on 11-23!

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 14:16:52 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" <david.fallen@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Serial #d cards wanted going on a  page/Washington on ESPN /slowmail!

Yes, leading zeros on 1944 are ok.  Any card with a 1944 on it is great,
even UV's (actually most of the ones I have are UV's serieled at 1944).

I also collect cards numbered 44.  For these, I'd like to restrict the
collection to pre-1980 cards.  The vintage 44's I have are listed on my OBC

-Dave Fallen

----- Original Message -----
From: <keithsummers@webtv.net>
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <VCT@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Serial #d cards wanted going on a page/Washington
on ESPN /slowmail!

> 5     Spike (#05?  #005?  #0005? #00005)
> 343  Rob  (What about #0343,  #00343, #911 & #0911, #00911?)
> 440  Keith (also #0440 & #00440)
> 1944 Dave Fallen  [birth yr] (#01944 ok?)
> 1963 Keith  [birthyear] (#01963 too)
> Anyone else want to collect their birth year, married year, graduation
> year or whatever?
> I'm going to start a very small web page about people who collect
> certain serial #s, including email addy, so if anyone wants to be
> included LMK :-)  Specify if only certain sports/years are wanted & if
> the variations with the extra 0s are wanted.   Also maybe include a
> reason for liking the # & I'll see if I can add that somewhere.  If any
> of the above people object to being on the page LMK & I'll remove you.
> I'll send the link to all when I start/finish it, maybe tonight.
> I think Chris Stufflestreet was considering a number (was it #451?) but
> not sure what the status is so I'll leave him off unless he emails me.
> The next episode of ESPN OUTSIDE the LINES is about baseball in
> Washington.  I don't know when it airs as I just caught part of the info
> at the bottom of the screen on a scroll somewhere on Thursday.
> I'm glad to see Tim Hudson sign with the Braves!   Note to Fantasy
> owners: Turner field is also a pitcher's park (like Oakland) plus he
> doesn't have to deal with the DH getting 4-5 ABs a game, so his ERA will
> likely drop & his Ks increase I'd say :-)
> I mailed a puffy from GA by 1st class to Ken Goetsch (Wisc) on 11-24 but
> it didn't arrive until a few days ago!   It took over twice as long as a
> book mailed to Sal (NY) by media mail on 11-23!
> Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:09:34 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: SERIAL NUMBERED CARDS PEOPLE COLLECT web page
=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:33:53 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: what would you do - an ebay quandary

I bought a large group of 53 Bowman Colors from a friend of mine. I pulled
the ones I needed for my set, and have been selling the rest on Ebay to pay for
the lot. I sold a group of 40 commons on Ebay for $210 including shipping. I
considered them all to be about VG, a couple slightly better, a couple
slightly  worse. All in all, I thought a pretty good deal. I mailed the cards to
the  winner and he emailed me back that he thought some of the cards were
trimmed. I  don't think so, but he has a solid rep so I figure he's on the up and
up. I  offered him a $40 refund ($1 per card). He replied that he'd like a $150
refund  because he thinks they're all trimmed slightly. I examined some of the
rest of  the lot and I think a couple may be ever so slightly short, but I'm
not sure if  they're trimmed or just cut short. However, most of the ones I
still have are  decidedly not trimmed. There's another catch, the buyer and the
cards are  serving in the Army in Iraq right now. I figure there are two
options: (1)  refund him $150 so I've collected $50 for the group and I'm losing a
chunk of  money that I question whether I legitimately owe but it's a small
bonus to  someone serving us, or (2) have him return the cards for a full refund.

What would you do?

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 20:31:14 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] what would you do - an ebay quandary
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:33:53 EST
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] what would you do - an ebay quandary

I bought a large group of 53 Bowman Colors from a friend of mine. I pulled
the ones I needed for my set, and have been selling the rest on Ebay to pay for
the lot. I sold a group of 40 commons on Ebay for $210 including shipping. I
considered them all to be about VG, a couple slightly better, a couple
slightly  worse. All in all, I thought a pretty good deal. I mailed the cards to
the  winner and he emailed me back that he thought some of the cards were
trimmed. I  don't think so, but he has a solid rep so I figure he's on the up and
up. I  offered him a $40 refund ($1 per card). He replied that he'd like a $150
refund  because he thinks they're all trimmed slightly. I examined some of the
rest of  the lot and I think a couple may be ever so slightly short, but I'm
not sure if  they're trimmed or just cut short. However, most of the ones I
still have are  decidedly not trimmed. There's another catch, the buyer and the
cards are  serving in the Army in Iraq right now. I figure there are two
options: (1)  refund him $150 so I've collected $50 for the group and I'm losing a
chunk of  money that I question whether I legitimately owe but it's a small
bonus to  someone serving us, or (2) have him return the cards for a full refund.

What would you do?

=================

Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:45:08 -0500
To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Precious mail

3 packages arrived at the Kilbourn residence today.

The first package contained a foursome of 61 Fleers from GEORDIE
CALVERT. Not just any Fleers either, all were one time Tigers including
Gehringer & General Crowder. Thanks much Geordie, very much appreciated.

I can't describe the contents of the second package because it was from
my OBC Santa and had "do not open until Dec. 25th" in huge red letters
on both sides of the rather large puffy. Contents will be joyfully
revealed in about a week!

Oh, the third package was for my wife. Just some old 68 gram imperial
gold necklace she bought on ebay. Nothing as cool or as valuable as my

Thanks again to Geordie, my Santa, & all of OBC. This is a wonderful
time of year to be a part of this great group!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 00:00:49 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1978 Papa Ginos Discs

A while back, Jim Wiehe found a pile of these.  He sent me some and he sent
some elsewhere.  Tonight I found a website that has a few more of these
available.  It probably makes sense to try to combine an order.  I think I
can get the common Red Sox at 3 for $1.  I didnt see the stars available.

Let me know if you are interested and we'll talk further.

=================

To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 08:00:36 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pondering question

Rob --

Most of us collect cards in sets, maybe because of some human nature thing desiring
"completeness" or something.  I recently added a 'theme' set to mywantlist
based on the World Series and I must admit it was quite refreshing
to sit down and come up with the actual needs as oppossed to just typing in
the numbers 1-to-whatever.  I think you'd find that it is fun to do a collection
like that.

That being said, it might be a bit limited with such a high number unless you
plan on doing UV sets as well.  You might find doing a set of card #11, or
some smaller number based on a fire station nmber or something would give
you a few more cards to chase.  I like the idea and look forward to seeing
it on your list!

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: Celenox@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 8:19 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pondering question

Hello all,
As many OBCers know a fellow OBCer Spike Glidden collects all cards that
are numbered 5 my Pondering Question is as a New York City Fireman, knowing
what happened on that terrible day in September should i do alittle Baseball
card tribute and try to collect all cards numbered 343 representing my
brothers killed that day?
Let me know
Rob Gioia

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 19:47:43 EST
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa

i also received mine  since the retired donut eater was taking on another
case  the real load carrier of the duo (Pico) has deduced that my Secret Santa
went to neighboring town to throw him off trail but he does know who it is anf
for a box full of sugar cube he will tell me on christmas day

thanks in advanced....in case this week will be a slow death for wanting to
know what in it

=================

To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 20:22:27 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Subject: Secret Santa

So I pop in the door from work, and immediately my son is waving a package in
my face.  What is this?  Ah, do not open until Christmas!

Thanks in advance to my not-so-secret Santa, Pat Sweeney.  I am on pins & needles
already, as Santa is a fellow Dodger fan.  I know I am in store for a
wonderful treat, and I can hardly wait.

=================

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 23:50:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Secret Santa

Thanks to my secret santa, Joe Cerullo, as well...it is not sitting on my
counter calling to me to rip it open. I will hold out...I will hold out....I
will hold out...

=================

To: "obc" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:52:38 -0600
From: "ken goetsch" <kgoetsch@gdinet.com>
Subject: My apologies are in order.

Please accept my sincere apology for my wants list post that contained somepost
1980 wants.
No malice intended ,  a momentary brain lock.......................
Ken Goetsch-OBC
=================

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 15:26:52 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Ron Perry <obcron@yahoo.com>
Subject: Winter Card Swaps

Hi OBC'ers,

The following is a little bit of a ramble. I do have more time during the winter months
to swap cards and would like make progress on anumber of sets.

1951 Bowman Baseball: I picked up a couple hundred a few weeks ago with lots of dupes but
none are higher number 130.  These are almost all lower grade, but not many Tiptons.
First preference is to swap for similar grade Bowmans, then for Topps from 1955 to 1967
from my list.   Let me know if you want to put together a swap.

1970-1973 OPC Baseball:  From the recent monster box that Mike Rich and I bought in
Toronto and some previous OPC purchases at the Toronto show, I now have several hundred
1970-73 dupes and lists of cards needed on line.  If you are thinking of starting these
sets, I can dealer scum starter lots, or if you have recently started these sets, I can
check your lists and send some out.

1950's and 1960's Baseball Album:  As I finish sets, I don't keep many cards from that
year, especially duplicate stars or high numbers. Yesterday, I came across an album that
a local buddy has squirreled away over the years and found a fair number of 1957-1969
higher demand cards, high numbers, Post Cereal short prints, and even a few Redmans.  No
hits for my lists, but if you have similar higher demand cards from my lists, I can
acquire cards from this album at reasonable prices and work out a swap.  These cards
grade all over the board.  Let me know if we can put something together.

Do You Yahoo!?
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http://mail.yahoo.com

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 19:25:51 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1960 Topps Hank Aaron on ebay for $10 Buy It Now

No scan but I trust the dealer.  He's very conservative for the things I buy
in person at Fort Washington.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60488&item=5148942984&tc=photo

Wayne Varner, Shoe Box Cards

=================

Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 22:31:42 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: here's a great site

Here is a great site, i think anyway.

Take a look. See what you think of this guys top 100 of all time and his

_http://www.zeprock.com/BBHome.html_ (http://www.zeprock.com/BBHome.html)

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:37:15 +0800
To: biggies@aol.com
From: Lynn Miller <lynnm@piol.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] here's a great site

Hi Bob,
I like this list much better than one that appeared about a year ago
where my fav Hank was number 34 or something like that.  And I do
question the formula a little.  We know how many players had hitting
streaks of 50 games or more.  But a 30 game hitting streak is pretty
significant also.  Shouldn't some weight be given to multiple streaks of
30 games or more in a career.  Maybe 2 points for the 50, 1 point for
40-49, and half point for 30-39.  Same with the 40/40 club, a rare
accomplishment, only been done a couple of times. But 30/30 is also
significant and should be given credit.  Why should a player who did
40/40 once be considered so much more for this one category than say a
player who may have done 30/30 3 or 4 times in his career.  Again maybe
2 points for 40/40 and 1 point for 30/30 seasons.  Same theory for 50
shutout innings, certainly very rare.  But so is 30+ pretty
significant.  I don't mean to start diluting the formula but only
suggesting that in the overall context of greatness, near greatness
should account for a little something as well.  But where do you draw
the line on greatness?  I guess that's why the formula :-)
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from the Philippines to all my
Cardboard Buddies wherever you are

biggies@aol.com wrote:

> Here is a great site, i think anyway.
> Take a look. See what you think of this guys top 100 of all time and
> his formula.
> BB
> http://www.zeprock.com/BBHome.html

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 07:36:20 -0700 (MST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tknowles@sofast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] here's a great site

I agree with what Lynn said and in addition:

This is weighted towards modern players.  The Cy Young, Fireman of the
year, and Gold Glove are all a relatively modern phenomema. Even the
All-Star Game didn't come into existence until 1933.  Also, 2 points for a
Cy Young?

The 50 game hitting streak sticks in my craw.  It has only happened once;
shouldn't that be worth signficantly more than an All-Star game

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 09:37:59 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Prices for 1941 Goudeys

Last night in the chatroom we were talking about the prices for 1941
Goudeys.  We all laughed when Chris S told us he saw a guide that has them
listed at $20 for commons.  SCD has them at $250 in the 2004 version.  Bama
told us that the prices for these have skyrocketed by even my March 2003
Beckett Collectibles shows them at $30.  It'd be great to find a bunch of
these at the Beckett price.  Lucky for me, I want just one for my Red Sox
team set:  #6 Dickman.  I don't have another from that set to swap.  I have
an idea -- I will search for one from another team as use it as bait!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 10:24:02 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tipton Museum

I have some entries for the various Tipton Museums out there.  Who wants the
scans?   I'm going to send out most of these as they don't fit into my own

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:15:30 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: New address for Jim Wiehe

Jim Wiehe has just purchased a house.  Here's his new address:

jim wiehe
2215 north 164th street
omaha ne 68116

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:00:51 EST
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prices for 1941 Goudeys

In a message dated 12/20/2004 6:40:33 AM Pacific Standard Time,
srittenberg66@earthlink.net writes:

Last  night in the chatroom we were talking about the prices for 1941
Goudeys.  We all laughed when Chris S told us he saw a guide that has  them
listed at $20 for commons.  SCD has them at $250 in the 2004  version.  Bama
told us that the prices for these have skyrocketed by  even my March 2003
Beckett Collectibles shows them at $30.  It'd be  great to find a bunch of
these at the Beckett price.  Lucky for me, I  want just one for my Red Sox
team set:  #6 Dickman.  I don't  have another from that set to swap.  I have
an idea -- I will search  for one from another team as use it as bait!

Steve and all,

The Goudey '41s in my opinion are underpriced in all guides. I have been
looking for #1 Mulcahay (which talks about him being the first to join the
military in WW2) for a long time. I think it currently books for $400 but even  in
Tipton condition I can not find one for under $100...these Goudeys are fairly
rare but pop up on ebay about every two months. Steve,
I will keep a look out for the Sox version.

PS I bought my original 2 '41 Goudeys in 1991 for $10 (for  both)!

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:11:14 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Bama's antique bat pictures #1

Hey everybody.  Here's the first of my promised bat pictures.  Due to my limited
knowledge of computer software I'll have to send them one at a time until
I can figure out how to downsize and send multiple pictures.

This first one is an 1885-90 ring bat.  There's no manufacturer label on the
bat and the double XX simply marks the top oif the grain, the bat side tobe
held upward to prevent cracking or breaking.  The bat is 34" long and is
in really nice shape.  It was my first ring bat.  This type of bat was popular
from about 1880 until the turn of the century with a single or multiple
rings being a decoration.  Most photos of professional players from thisera
show them using ring bats.  Let me know what you think.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:22:38 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: More antique bats

Here's a try a sending more than one at a time.  The 2 black bat photos areof
a Reach Burley bat with a rare Blue Ribbon decal from around the turn of
the century.  The bat is 34 inches long and in very nice shape.

The second bat is a bunting bat from the 1870-1880 period.  Bunting bats, bats
with flat sides( either one or both) for bunting were common in the early
period of baseball.  These bats were legal until 1893 when odd shaped bats
and bats with flat ends were outlawed.  The bat is 32 inches long.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 11:50:47 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Three more antique bats.

This next group of bats has 1) another bunting bat that is slightly curved and
oval shaped with a mushroom knob.  This bat is 30 inches long.  Probably
from the 1880 period.

The next bat is a solid oak bat with a half baseball knob and a flat end.  This
monster is from around 1870-1880 and weighs almost 4 pounds.  Note theflat
end with lathe marks.

The third bat is the earliest example of a Hillerich company bat.  The rings
date it from around 1890-95 along with the single name Hillerich.  The Louisville
slugger did not appear as a trade name until 1897 when the companywas
known as J.F. Hillerich and Son.  This is a store display type bat or a
child's bat made of very light wood, maybe poplar, with the Crackerjack #2
designation.  I've never seen another with the single name Hillerich and no
use of the initials J.F. or reference to the son (Bud).

Let me know what you think.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 19:09:08 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Three more antique bats.

Bama --

So which one should we use at Vegas '05 in Mike's courtyard?!?  Thanks for sharing
the cool photos - I'd love to hear the story behind how you got them
over a beer or two someday...

Take Care, Geno

----- Original Message -----
From: John Harrell
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:50 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Three more antique bats.

This next group of bats has 1) another bunting bat that is slightly curved
and oval shaped with a mushroom knob.  This bat is 30 inches long.  Probably
from the 1880 period.

The next bat is a solid oak bat with a half baseball knob and a flat end.This
monster is from around 1870-1880 and weighs almost 4 pounds.  Note the
flat end with lathe marks.

The third bat is the earliest example of a Hillerich company bat.  The rings
date it from around 1890-95 along with the single name Hillerich.  The Louisville
slugger did not appear as a trade name until 1897 when the company
was known as J.F. Hillerich and Son.  This is a store display type bat or
a child's bat made of very light wood, maybe poplar, with the Crackerjack#2
designation.  I've never seen another with the single name Hillerich and
no use of the initials J.F. or reference to the son (Bud).

Let me know what you think.

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:26:10 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Brian Dwyer <toppsrun368@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Directory Help

Yes, I am the bad OBCer who goes to mail out his Secret Santa gift on December 20th and realizes he doesn't have a copy of the directory anywhere to be found.

If someone could please forward the latest version my way, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thanks a ton,

Brian Dwyer

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:33:46 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Last batch of bats for today

This group of bats includes:

1)  a gray skinny town ball bat form around 1860 or so.  This is my oldest bat
and measures 32 inches long.  Note the small semimushroom knob.  Bat isvery
heavy for its size, proably made from hickory.

2)  a composite bat, similar in style to the oak bat I sent earlier except that
it is made from 3 pieces of wood joined together.  Note the half ball knob
and flat end.  Dates from around 1880.

3)  a Heinie Groh bottle bat made by the Hanna bat company of Athens, GA.  Hanna
made bats from 1926 until 1970, including a 2 year period when they were
the exclusive supplier to Lou Gehrig  (1931 & 32).  Groh bats are extremely
rare.  This one is 35 inches long, slightly longer than his game model.

4  A mushroom bat (see the knob), possibly by the Draper and Maynard bat company,
dating from aroun 1900-1905.
=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:35:14 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Brian Dwyer <toppsrun368@peoplepc.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Directory Help

Thanks Steve, Geordie, and Mac for simultaneous responses.

Secret Santa gift out to my 'victim' today.

Happy holidays all!

PeoplePC Online
A better way to Internet
http://www.peoplepc.com

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:04:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "larrygersh" <larrygers@aol.com>
Subject: OBC Tampa Style

Had a short notice trip to the wonderful city of Tampa last week
to attend a seminar on mergers & acquisitions. It had nothing to do
with the below zero wind chill here in Cincy. I emailed Bob D'Angelo
Wednesday AM to inform him of my 48 trek to his town. He graciously
arranged his schedule to meet up with me Thursday evening. He
picked me up around 5:15pm downtown with his three kids in tow.
Nice kids, was fun to be with em. My youngest of four is now 20.
Off we went to the west side of Tampa for some Cuban cuisine. On the
way there he drove thru his old neighborhood where "Sweet Lou"
Pinniella grew up. Showed me the house he was raised in, his parents
still live there. The sand lot ball field across the street from his
home is now named in his honor.
The meal, puerco asado, was delicious. Roasted pork, yellow rice
and black bean soup. He also presented me with several books, 1982
& 2003 Reds media guides and a book about Ohio State Football
called "The Glory Days". Mike Rich can borrow it anytime he wants to
in order to learn about great college football teams;-).
The dinner was spent discussing cardboard & sports. It was over
all to soon. Hope to return the hospitality some day.
Thanx for a great time, Bob.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 17:26:47 -0600
From: "Rex E. Stahlman II" <enduroking@cableone.net>
Subject: Secret Santa Arrival

To All,

I received my Secret Santa envelope today (don't worry Andy, I won't
tell anybody who it is!!)  I can't wait to open it and relay my findings
to the group!!  Just 5 more days!!

Thanks Again Andy,

Rex Stahlman

=================

To: "'Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)'" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>,
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 20:59:07 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Prices for 1941 Goudeys

Here's one that's affordable;
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=86851&item=514894

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink) [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:38 AM
To: Ramblings
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Prices for 1941 Goudeys

Last night in the chatroom we were talking about the prices for 1941
Goudeys.  We all laughed when Chris S told us he saw a guide that has
listed at $20 for commons.  SCD has them at $250 in the 2004 version.
told us that the prices for these have skyrocketed by even my March 2003

Beckett Collectibles shows them at $30.  It'd be great to find a bunch
these at the Beckett price.  Lucky for me, I want just one for my Red
team set:  #6 Dickman.  I don't have another from that set to swap.  I
an idea -- I will search for one from another team as use it as bait!

Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 21:49:08 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Santa arrival

My secret Santa gift arrived today from Northpole, Ca.  Well, Northridge
maybe.  Judy quickly absconded with it and put it under the tree.  Thanks Peter.
Wanted you to know it arrived safely.  - Doug

=================

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 03:25:43 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "larrygersh" <larrygers@aol.com>
Subject: OBC Santa

I also have rec'd a Santa special delivery.
It looks somewhat grizzly.

My package went out in this AM's mail.

Happy Holidays &
Merry Christmas to all.

=================

Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:38:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: trufan999@aol.com
Subject: Info needed 1952 Topps

Trying to get a little more knowledge on this monster set especially when it
comes to trying to ID reprints and total fakes. For instance I've seen cards
that have both direction stitching on the "ball" around the card number. I have
also seen different sized stars at the beginning of the players "bio area" of
the card. Please lets keep this reasonable, I am not out to get the high
numbers. I did nearly faint though that one dealer was going to try and sell me a
low number common red back for $60.00

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 22:49:18 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1966 + 1967 Philly FB dealer recommendation

This ebay seller made a nice deal with me after I won an auction for him.
It'll end up being 16 commons at 25 cents each plus a beat up Starr for
$4.00    He said he still has some others available.  Contact him directly
at scottj@tznet.com

=================

To: "larrygersh" <larrygers@aol.com>, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:49:52 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Tampa Style

After Mike gets that book he can lend it to me and I will then have some kindling for the next fire in my fireplace.  Got to be something useful about a book dedicated to OSU football   ;-)             (Now just friendly trash talk all you buckeye fans out there - nothing personal.  Now let's see, upcoming Bowl games; Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl, Fiesta Bowl - nope don't see OSU.  Oh here it is Bomb-fire Bowl - light those matches - bring on them books!!!)

REGARDS -------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------

Mike Rich can borrow it anytime he wants to
in order to learn about great college football teams

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Date: 17 Dec 2004 01:56:19 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Secret |Santa arrives

Just got back in town from visiting my mother in Memphis to find my Secret
Santa package waiting temptingly  on the counter.  Where's Kreskin when I
need him?

=================

Date: 19 Dec 2004 14:15:25 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Secret Santa

Thought I'd do a little snooping with the S.S. package but the postmarks are
blurred so can't tell the point of origin.  It's bad enough when you have to
wait 2 weeks with this puffy staring you in the face every day, but no
hint....sheeesh.  Now we have the USPS in cahoots with Santa?  What a combo!!

=================

Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:29:41 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Paging Andy Cook... please use the white phone...

Andy (or whoever else might know)...

I need your physical address.  Santa Express seems to have a problem with PO
Boxes <g>! He's trying to get there on time!

=================

To: <trufan999@aol.com>
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 18:22:29 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>
Subject: 52 topps

If you stick with cards in OBC condition you probably don't have to worry too
much about reprints. The Mantle and Thompson were double printed in the high
numbers 98+2. The stitching on the balls and the stars on the front differ.
There is an article I wrote a few years ago on the subject of the printing of
52 and 53 Topps on the Library page of the OBC site.
George Vrechek
=================

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 10:28:27 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1952 topps

There is a pretty good site for these cards, with the promise of reprint info
coming soon:

http://1952toppsbaseballcards.com/

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 09:44:51 -0800
From: "KIT OKAMURO" <biglittledogs@msn.com>
Subject: autos

one of my best friends has decided to sell off or trade his big autograph collection.
some are cuts like clemente, hornsby and mathewson. most are cards
like, unitas, payton, drysdale, grange, and others. if interested lmk
kit okamuro
=================

Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 16:29:24 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Annual t-205 back report...
Content-Language: en

Let me know what you think before I through it out to the public
domain...all opinions are my own (as is the research). Enjoy...

T-205 Breakdown for 2004:

This is my yearly breakdown of back frequency on the T-205 Gold Border set.
This year, I have broken it down a little further including factory
designations. This continues my quest to figure out how they were printed (incl.
many on a sheet, and how many different printing there were). It is also an
examination of the rarity of the backs and how they relate to prices, scarcity,

The following includes backs from shows, e-bay, other online/phone/mail
auctions, internet sales sites, and collectors. Granted, this is but a small
cross-section but taken over the years I feel it is pretty accurate. At theend
of the yearly notes is the compilation of the last several years work with the
breakdowns. Also some interesting notes on scarcity and rarer cards. As an
aside, this was a big year for T-205s as they seemed to have a resurgence in
popularity. Many more were seen this year.

2004 T-205s seen by scarcity order from least to most. Factory codes are
only listed for cards that have different factory codes.

Advertiser  Color  Fact. Code  # of cards  seen %Total
Piedmont  Blue  25    686  18.7
Polar  Bear  Blue      601  16.4
Sweet  Cap.  Red      513  14.0
Sweet  Cap.  Black  25    378  10.3
Hassan  Green  649    359  9.8
Sweet  Cap.  Black  42    343  9.3
Honest  Long  Cut Black      281  7.7
Cycle   Black      190  5.2
Sovereign  Green      175  4.8
Hassan  Green  30    98  2.7
American  Beauty  Black      13  .35
American  Beauty Green      9  .25
Piedmont  Blue  42    7  .19
Broadleaf  Black      6  .16
Broadleaf  Green      6  .16
Hindu   Brown      3  .08
Drum   Brown      1  .03

Total 205s taken for this  research:     3669

As you can see, the break down is fairly interesting. Price guides still
insist putting a premium on Polar Bear backs. For years, I have said this should
not be the case. I also do not feel that a premium should be placed on the
color  of the backs of the American Beauty and Broadleaf backs. They are very
close and  I feel that they probably have the same population reports.

I also noticed that a  few small hoards seemed to have moved some of  the
scarcities around. There were a lot of Cycle cards listed this year on  e-bay.
Usually Cycle falls below the Sovereign and Hassan Fact. 30 on my list  (ithas
for the last 3 years).

Joss was seen with a Cycle back this year by me for the first time. This
helps me in that I had a few holes with the Cycle printing (which I think was
one of the first). I always felt that the Cycle printing was shorter and only
printed once. Meaning no substitutions. I feel that Piedmont, Polar Bear, and
Hassan were all printed more than once using substitutions that have created
the  short prints/variations/errors.

The Gray w/ stats only seems to be printed with Sovereign. I have not seen a
Gray without stats with a Sovereign back. This makes me wonder if Sovereign
was printed later.

The Moran w/ stray line is rarer than we once thought. I still feel it is
rare but it was on a later Polar Bear printing and I feel that it is about the
same as the two Wilhelm variations.

The two Wilhelm variations are from two distinct printings, Hassan and
Piedmont. I think they are fairly rare since they only seem to occur with one
advertisement for each.

I have been charting which cards come with which backs (any help here would
be great=E2=94drop me a line with a list of players and what backs they appear

Granted, all this is speculation but I do feel I am getting closer on how
the cards were printed and how many different printing there were.

Below is the totals for the past few years (five incl. this year).

Advertiser  Color  Fact. Code  # of cards  seen %Total
Piedmont  Blue  25    3443  17.4
Polar  Bear  Blue      2889  14.6
Sweet  Cap.  Red      2776  14.0
Sweet  Cap.  Black  25    2224  11.2
Hassan  Green  649    2007  10.1
Sweet  Cap.  Black  42    1919  9.7
Honest  Long  Cut Black      1450  7.3
Sovereign  Green      975  4.9
Cycle   Black      952  4.8
Hassan  Green  30    947  4.8
American  Beauty  Black      78  .39
American  Beauty Green      55  .28
Piedmont  Blue  42    39  .20
Broadleaf  Green      24  .12
Broadleaf  Black      23  .12
Hindu   Brown      11  .05
Drum   Brown      6  .03

Total 205s taken for this  research:     19818

As you can see, the %=E2=99s did not change all that much. Cycle did drop
in  down
in the scarcity order and the Broadleafs flip-flopped but was not

You may take all this research as nothing more than my opinions. It is put
out there for my enjoyment and to help further the knowledge of the hobby.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 21:31:22 -0800
From: Peter Iversen <marcpeter@juno.com>
Subject: GURU Santa 'knows all...'

Got my OBC Santa package!!  Lots of reindeer on the wrapping paper - all
green and red and great looking!!

Thanks Larry - it is under the tree and waiting for Christmas AM!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 05:40:00 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Looking for someone to split low grade vintage hockey lots on ebay

This guy has a few G-VG lots starting at 5% of BV.  The card numbers are not
listed so I do not know what is included in each lot.  There are a some of
them that I'd be interested in splitting so that I can get the one or two
cards I need.  Let me know if you are interested.

http://stores.ebay.com/You-Want-It_W0QQsspagenameZl2QQtZkm

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:35:53 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Squirrel <detroitsquirrel@gmail.com>
Subject: URGENT Secret Santa HELP !!!!!!!!

URGENT HELP!

I thought I mailed out my secret snata package and cleaning out my
office I see its still here, the problem, the post it note with who it
was going to is missing and I can't remember who it was!!!!!! So, if
Jeff could send me who it was going to I will send out ASAP and add a
little extra since it will be late for my secret santa victim, I'm
sorry. I'll explain later!! God Bless, have a great holiday guys!!!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 13:02:39 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>
Subject: 1952 Topps Variations

I responded to a Rambling and a few subsequent inquiries reagrding the 1952Topps
high number variations saying that 98 cards were single printed and 2
were double printed with the double prints causing the variation. I should
have checked my notes and math rather than going from memory in that there
were 97 cards single printed and 3 cards double-printed: Mantle, Jackie Robinson
and Bobby Thompson #311, #312 and #313. The three cards have the stitching
on the ball on the back going right or left plus the stars on the box
on the front differ slightly. They would have to pick 2 of the most expensive
cards in captivity for these minor variations. I have the 2 Thompsonsbut
none of the others.
George Vrechek
=================

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:08:47 -0500
To: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" <seventytwop@hotmail.com>
From: Squirrel <detroitsquirrel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] URGENT Secret Santa HELP !!!!!!!!

I recieved my secret santa gift 2 days ago. I'm sorry to whom mine
went to, but I will send a  extra special gift to make up for it!

P.S.- I hope all of you have a wonderful holiday, My late Novemebr
brought me some bad news and thats why I haven't been myself as of the
last few months either. More details AFTER the holidays. God Bless you
all...remember to tell your family you love them when ever you can!

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 11:16:14 -0600, Fr. Patrick Wattigny
<seventytwop@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Squirrel,
>      Don't know if it's of any help to you, but as of today, I've not yet
> received my secret Santa package....will advise the group if today's mail
> brings it.
> Fr. Pat
> >From: Squirrel <detroitsquirrel@gmail.com>
> >Reply-To: Squirrel <detroitsquirrel@gmail.com>
> >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] URGENT Secret Santa HELP !!!!!!!!
> >Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:35:53 -0500
> >
> >URGENT HELP!
> >
> >I thought I mailed out my secret snata package and cleaning out my
> >office I see its still here, the problem, the post it note with who it
> >was going to is missing and I can't remember who it was!!!!!! So, if
> >Jeff could send me who it was going to I will send out ASAP and add a
> >little extra since it will be late for my secret santa victim, I'm
> >sorry. I'll explain later!! God Bless, have a great holiday guys!!!
> >
> >--Squirrel--

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 16:40:21 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: $10 1940 Playball high number on ebay from Bill Henderson

I'd pick it up myself if I needed it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=641&item=5129263456

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:33:03 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Santa sighting in Levittown...

AP- 12/23/04-

Santa Claus was nearly arrested today in Levittown, NY as he was seen running
through the bushes of a surburban home.  When police stopped him to ask what
he was doing, he told them he was delivering an OBC Secret Santa gift from
Evansville, IN.  The officials, upon hearing it was an OBC act of kindness,
promptly let the little fat dude in the red outfit on his way with a warning to
tell Rudolph to slow down and to wish everyone in OBC-land a very happy holiday.

story fabricated and contributed by Sal <g>!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 19:04:25 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Lousy ebay seller

Not only do ebay sellers try to gouge us for s+h, now I've been insulted and
blocked for asking about it!

Question by me: "How come shipping is $2.75 for a single card?  Thanks.  --
Steve Rittenberg  srittenberg66@earthlink.net"
Answer from seller: Shipping is about $1.75... the handling is about $1...
dummy up Wittlessberg

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5149730556

Its unrelated but he has an interesting ebay id: fdnyladder7     However, if
I were you, I'd stay away from him.

Anyone know how I can report such behavior to ebay?

Steve Rittenberg

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 20:39:57 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1973 Topps #517 Pirates Manager/Coaches Variations

I'd like to find one of these for Joe Greco to finish his set.  Does anyone
own both of them AND have a scanner?  I'd like to see what they look like
side by side.  I wonder if pictures are in the OBC library....

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 17:59:00 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
Subject: Sharing an email

I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
here could help out:

I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
be buried with.
I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
when speaking of his days pitching.
please help me, god bless you.

john robinson
239 town and country rd
vanderbilt, pa 15486

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 05:38:46 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

This smelled funny so I went to baseball-reference.com and typed in Walter Whitehead.
No such guy.  There are a couple of Whiteheads who played in the
30s.  One played with the Cardinals and one with the Browns.  Both men are
deceased.     http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wa-wh.shtml    John Whitehead
pitched a no-hitter in 1940 for the Browns.   I also looked at the roster
for the Browns from 1930-1939.  The closest I came to "Walter Whitehead"
was John Whitehead, who joined the team in 1939.

I tried googling "Walter Whitehead" Browns and came up with nothing.   I also
tried to figure out who is the oldest former player and found this....  http://www.whosaliveandwhosdead.com/oemajlea.htm
There is no Mr. Whitehead
on this list.   If you played in the 30s,

To "help out", I think you should point out politely that you can not find any
information about Mr. Whitehead and would like more before making a donation.

My conclusion is that its a scam.  If that is so, its offensive.  I'd love it
if someone restored my faith in humanity and found evidence that "WalterWhitehead"
pitched for the Browns in the 30s.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Stufflestreet
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
here could help out:

I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
be buried with.
I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
when speaking of his days pitching.
please help me, god bless you.

john robinson
239 town and country rd
vanderbilt, pa 15486

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:02:45 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

Chris and Co. --

I would be cool to offer a "trade" - we bring him something from his playing
days and he tells some stories into a tape player that we could send out to
everyone.  It would be cool just to sit down with a Goudey binder and flip
through the cards one-by-one to get his impressions.  If somebody lived near
there, it would be something to consider...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Stufflestreet" <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:59 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

> I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
> here could help out:
> -----------------------
> hello,
> I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
> Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
> browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
> memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
> fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
> etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
> is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
> send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
> be buried with.
> I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
> when speaking of his days pitching.
> please help me, god bless you.
> john robinson
> 239 town and country rd
> vanderbilt, pa 15486
> 724-677-4789
> 724-366-1070
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
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To: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>,
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:30:22 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

I'm not sure why I wrote "I would be cool...", I meant "It would be cool..."
Of course, I would be cool if I had something to offer, but alas, I don't!
Also, I tried to find info on him and only found a John Whitehead who
pitched for the Brownies from 1939-1942.  Maybe some of you SABR guys have a
better reference to find our man Walter...

----- Original Message -----
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Stufflestreet"
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

> Chris and Co. --
> I would be cool to offer a "trade" - we bring him something from his
> playing days and he tells some stories into a tape player that we could
> send out to everyone.  It would be cool just to sit down with a Goudey
> binder and flip through the cards one-by-one to get his impressions.  If
> somebody lived near there, it would be something to consider...
> Cheers,
> Geno
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Stufflestreet" <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
> To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:59 AM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email
>> I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
>> here could help out:
>> -----------------------
>> hello,
>> I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
>> Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
>> browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
>> memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
>> fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
>> etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
>> is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
>> send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
>> be buried with.
>> I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
>> when speaking of his days pitching.
>> please help me, god bless you.
>> john robinson
>> 239 town and country rd
>> vanderbilt, pa 15486
>> 724-677-4789
>> 724-366-1070
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>> Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 22:29:56 -0800 (PST)
To: Ramblings <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>, VCT@yahoogroups.com
From: Matthew <obc_spike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lousy ebay seller

Wow, that's unconscionable. Make me wish for the days of open feedback at eBay
again, so you could leave a comment without buying something.

I'd think forwarding the note and email text to eBay would get a response of
some sort, even if it takes a while.

--- "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Not only do ebay sellers try to gouge us for s+h, now I've been insulted and
> blocked for asking about it!
> Question by me: "How come shipping is $2.75 for a single card?  Thanks.  --
> Steve Rittenberg  srittenberg66@earthlink.net"
> Answer from seller: Shipping is about $1.75... the handling is about $1...
> dummy up Wittlessberg

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 9:51:50 +0000
From: Glenn <gg.c1960@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Happy Holidays!

I just wanted to add my best wishes for the upcoming holiday season, whatever your particular persuasion may be.

All in all, 2004 turned out to be one of my better years. I picked up a promotion, got the opportunity to travel to both the USA and to Spain, and our family enjoyed relatively good health throughout.

Along the way, I got to spend some time with my Dad, attended the legendary OBC Vegas for the first (and hopefully not the last) time, made some new friendships and renewed old aquaintances (and not just in OBC!), got into some new music, and picked up some great cardboard along the way!

What would have made 2004 even better?......Well, a few dry days to barbeque would have been nice! It didn't stop raining all summer!!

Best wishes to all and their loved ones. Here to a healthy and successful 2005!

Glenn and Maureen Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

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To: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>,
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:34:31 -0000
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

Oh, and by the way, John died in 1964.  The only other Whitehead of the era
that I saw was Burgess, who died in 1993...

----- Original Message -----
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
To: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>;
<obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Stufflestreet"
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:30 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

> I'm not sure why I wrote "I would be cool...", I meant "It would be
> cool..." Of course, I would be cool if I had something to offer, but alas,
> I don't! Also, I tried to find info on him and only found a John Whitehead
> who pitched for the Brownies from 1939-1942.  Maybe some of you SABR guys
> have a better reference to find our man Walter...
> Cheers,
> Geno
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
> To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Stufflestreet"
> <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email
>> Chris and Co. --
>> I would be cool to offer a "trade" - we bring him something from his
>> playing days and he tells some stories into a tape player that we could
>> send out to everyone.  It would be cool just to sit down with a Goudey
>> binder and flip through the cards one-by-one to get his impressions.  If
>> somebody lived near there, it would be something to consider...
>> Cheers,
>> Geno
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Stufflestreet" <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
>> To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:59 AM
>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email
>>> I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
>>> here could help out:
>>> -----------------------
>>> hello,
>>> I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
>>> Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
>>> browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
>>> memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
>>> fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
>>> etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
>>> is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
>>> send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
>>> be buried with.
>>> I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
>>> when speaking of his days pitching.
>>> please help me, god bless you.
>>> john robinson
>>> 239 town and country rd
>>> vanderbilt, pa 15486
>>> 724-677-4789
>>> 724-366-1070
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> Do You Yahoo!?
>>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:45:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "malsman250" <malsman250@neo.rr.com>
Subject: HOM e-mail - Woodie Held

Thought I would share this e-mail that I recieved about my HOM
honoree, Woodie Held....

Hi, Bill...

I was surfing when I came across your nomination to the HOM for
Woodie Held...Woodie is one of my neighbors in Wyoming....He's doing
fine...recently he built a home on some land he purchased
in '89.....Did most of the finishing work himself....including
electrical....He's a very handy guy....

He tells me that he still receives about 15 requests by mail each
month for autograghs....The KC to the Indians deal is probably the
highlight of his career considering it was basically a Maris for
Held transaction....When he arrived in Cleveland he received a very
cool reception from Rocky Colavito....The Rock was good friends with
Roger Maris....after learning of Woodie's Wyoming
background....Rocky warmed up to Woodie....The Rock loved to hunt....

Take care!

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 13:55:24 -0500
From: "Bob Reed" <boreed@hotmail.com>
Subject: It's here.

My Santa package arrived today just in time.  It's nice to only have to wait
one day until I get to open it.  I don't know who it's from though.  The
only clue is Premier Ink Systems in Harrison Ohio on the return label.

I sent my package out on Tuesday.  I'm hoping it makes it to its destination
by today but it's not looking good since I haven't heard that the person has
received it yet.

Happy Holidays!

=================

To: <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>,
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:24:20 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

I would guess this person played in the Browns system but never made the
big leagues.  My memory plays tricks with me an I'm only 43.  I'm sure
the elderly gentleman is just a little confused in his memories.

I did a search on MLB.com and eBay and came up with some St. Louis Brown
items.  You might want to forward these on to the nurse.

http://shop.mlb.com/searchHandler/index.jsp?searchId=5372907998
<http://shop.mlb.com/searchHandler/index.jsp?searchId=5372907998&sGroupMLB&keywords=St+Louis+Browns&clickid=topnav_search_txt>

http://search.ebay.com/St-Louis-Browns_Fan-Apparel-Souvenirs_W0QQcatrefZ

----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Stufflestreet <mailto:chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 8:59 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
here could help out:

I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
be buried with.
I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
when speaking of his days pitching.
please help me, god bless you.

john robinson
239 town and country rd
vanderbilt, pa 15486

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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:44:31 EST
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

In a message dated 12/24/2004 11:27:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
geno.wagner@ntlworld.com writes:

Chris  and Co. --

I would be cool to offer a "trade" - we bring him something  from his playing
days and he tells some stories into a tape player that we  could send out to
everyone.  It would be cool just to sit down with a  Goudey binder and flip
through the cards one-by-one to get his  impressions.  If somebody lived near
there, it would be something to  consider...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Stufflestreet" <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
To:  <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:59  AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

> I just  recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
> here could help  out:
> -----------------------
> hello,
> I  am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
> Whitehead that played  in the 1930's for the St. Louis
> browns. He has about 6 months to live  and all his
> memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
>  fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
> etc.... was  destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
> is soproud of those days.  Could you please help me or
> send me to someone who can get some stuff  for him to
> be buried with.
> I know it sounds goofy but he  brightens up so much
> when speaking of his days pitching.
>  please help me, god bless you.
> john robinson
> 239 town  and country rd
> vanderbilt, pa 15486
> 724-677-4789
>  724-366-1070

This sounds great except that Burgess (Whitey) Whitehead died in 1993. This
is an old scam....

PS Thanks to Baseball-almanac.com for the death  date.

=================

To: "'malsman250'" <malsman250@neo.rr.com>,
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:44:16 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HOM e-mail - Woodie Held

Now THAT is cool!

Thought I would share this e-mail that I recieved about my HOM
honoree, Woodie Held....

Hi, Bill...

I was surfing when I came across your nomination to the HOM for
Woodie Held...Woodie is one of my neighbors in Wyoming....He's doing
fine...recently he built a home on some land he purchased
in '89.....Did most of the finishing work himself....including
electrical....He's a very handy guy....

He tells me that he still receives about 15 requests by mail each
month for autograghs....The KC to the Indians deal is probably the
highlight of his career considering it was basically a Maris for
Held transaction....When he arrived in Cleveland he received a very
cool reception from Rocky Colavito....The Rock was good friends with
Roger Maris....after learning of Woodie's Wyoming
background....Rocky warmed up to Woodie....The Rock loved to hunt....

Take care!

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Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:12:29 -0500
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Bobbi Robinson/Barbara Snyder/John Robinson/Walter Whitehead?

Bobbi is possibly the name of the Nurse as someone using that name sells
cosmetics & uses that phone #.

The phone # apparently is registered to:

Barbara Snyder
239 Town Country Rd
Vanderbilt, PA 15486

Who's going to give them a call to see if this is legit?  It'd be a
local/free call for most of you PA guys.   Good luck!

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:01:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "malsman250" <malsman250@neo.rr.com>
Subject: RE: sharing an e-mail

Another possible explanation to the Whitehead story - sometimes,
oldtimers tend to "grow" their experiences a bit - a fellow that
maybe pitched in the minors may "pad" the accomplishments a little.
Maybe he was the brother of the guy that pitched in the majors, who
knows? As far as the scam theory goes, I'm not sure how this guy
would benefit from asking for cards from a player that did not exist.

Just a thought (maybe I'm feeling holiday charitable....)

Bill Malson

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:33:36 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Chat session?

I'll be online (tonight?  tomorrow?) to open up my Secret Santa gift at
12:01 AM.  Anyone else?

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 17:00:51 EST
To: Wite3@aol.com, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

And John Whitehead died in 1964.  Hmmmm.  - Doug

=================

To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:43:40 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Subject: Johnny Oates

I read with sadness that former big leaguer Johnny Oates passed away today at
the too-early age of 58.  He wasn't a Dodger for long, but for some reason
he was one of my favorites.

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:14:40 EST
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

C'mon Geno....we all know how cool you are anyways :-)!

========Original Message========
Subj:   Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email
Date:   12/24/2004 3:47:29 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner)
To:    geno.wagner@ntlworld.com (geno.wagner), obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet)

I'm not sure why I wrote "I would be cool...", I meant "It would be cool..."
Of course, I would be cool if I had something to offer, but alas, I don't!
Also, I tried to find info on him and only found a John Whitehead who
pitched for the Brownies from 1939-1942.  Maybe some of you SABR guys have a
better reference to find our man Walter...

----- Original Message -----
From: "geno.wagner" <geno.wagner@ntlworld.com>
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris Stufflestreet"
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email

> Chris and Co. --
> I would be cool to offer a "trade" - we bring him something from his
> playing days and he tells some stories into a tape player that we could
> send out to everyone.  It would be cool just to sit down with a Goudey
> binder and flip through the cards one-by-one to get his impressions.  If
> somebody lived near there, it would be something to consider...
> Cheers,
> Geno
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Stufflestreet" <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>
> To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:59 AM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sharing an email
>> I just recieved this email, and was hoping somebody
>> here could help out:
>> -----------------------
>> hello,
>> I am a hospice nurse and I have a patient, Walter
>> Whitehead that played in the 1930's for the St. Louis
>> browns. He has about 6 months to live and all his
>> memorobilia from when he played was destroyed in a
>> fire at his moms house years ago. His glove, shirts
>> etc.... was destroyed. All he has are memories, and he
>> is soproud of those days. Could you please help me or
>> send me to someone who can get some stuff for him to
>> be buried with.
>> I know it sounds goofy but he brightens up so much
>> when speaking of his days pitching.
>> please help me, god bless you.
>> john robinson
>> 239 town and country rd
>> vanderbilt, pa 15486
>> 724-677-4789
>> 724-366-1070
>> __________________________________________________
>> Do You Yahoo!?
>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>> http://mail.yahoo.com
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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:21:27 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pain in the Heinie

I'm working on my Red Sox team sets tonight...  I look through my Diamond
Stars and I'm wondering why the Heinie Manush is pictured in a Senators
uniform and no mention of Boston on the back.  I've learned that I have the
1935 version with green ink on the back.  Can anyone provide me a scan of
the 1936 version with blue ink?  I'd like to see what the difference is,
both on the front and on the back.  I checked on ebay but did not find the
1936 version.

If anyone has the 1936 version and doesnt mind swapping for a 1935 version,
that'd be even better but I think that is too much to hope for.

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 22:47:06 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Help IDing a card

I'm making up a list for the 1936 R311 Glossy cards.  Jimmy Foxx is in the
set.  He played for the Red Sox in 1936.  But look at the card:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5150469957&fromMakeTrack=true
He's pictured as a catcher.  No cap on him for me to confirm he was a Red
Sox.  I looked more closely at the 1936 Red Sox team.  (Praise to
baseball-reference.com ) and learned that Foxx never caught a game for the
1936 Red Sox.  Based on that, I think he's a Athletic on this card.  Any
views on the issue are appreciated.

Im going to work on putting the team name with a checklist for as many sets
as possible and then put the info on the web.  The hope is that people wont
have to duplicate the research that was done previously.

=================

Date: 25 Dec 2004 04:19:39 -0000
To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>,
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pain in the Heinie

The 1936 Manush is indeed a blue back.  His sleeve shows no W, just a white
patch and the last sentence reads " Heinie Manush, Red Sox
outfielder,.....".  Also his stats are those from 1935 " Hit for 273 in 1935"

------------- Original message follows -------------

I'm working on my Red Sox team sets tonight...&nbsp; I look through my
Diamond <BR>
Stars and I'm wondering why the Heinie Manush is pictured in a Senators <BR>
uniform and no mention of Boston on the back.&nbsp; I've learned that I have
the <BR>
1935 version with green ink on the back.&nbsp; Can anyone provide me a scan
of <BR>
the 1936 version with blue ink?&nbsp; I'd like to see what the difference
is, <BR>
both on the front and on the back.&nbsp; I checked on ebay but did not find
the <BR>
1936 version.<BR>
If anyone has the 1936 version and doesnt mind swapping for a 1935 version, <BR>
that'd be even better but I think that is too much to hope for.<BR>
Steve <BR>

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Date: 25 Dec 2004 04:24:58 -0000
To: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>,
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help IDing a card

In Total Baseball, Jimmie is listed as playing 1st, catcher and 3rd in 1935.
Perhaps this is a picture of him from 1935 wearing the "tools of
ignorance", used for the glossy set.  Not uncommon in the 30's sets to see
the same pose and picture turn up in different sets.

------------- Original message follows -------------

I'm making up a list for the 1936 R311 Glossy cards.&nbsp; Jimmy Foxx is in
the <BR>
set.&nbsp; He played for the Red Sox in 1936.&nbsp; But look at the card: <BR>
href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5150469957&fromMakeTrack=true">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=5150469957&amp;fromMakeTrack=true</a>
He's pictured as a catcher.&nbsp; No cap on him for me to confirm he was a
Red <BR>
Sox.&nbsp; I looked more closely at the 1936 Red Sox team.&nbsp; (Praise to <BR>
baseball-reference.com ) and learned that Foxx never caught a game for the <BR>
1936 Red Sox.&nbsp; Based on that, I think he's a Athletic on this
card.&nbsp; Any <BR>
views on the issue are appreciated.<BR>
Im going to work on putting the team name with a checklist for as many sets <BR>
as possible and then put the info on the web.&nbsp; The hope is that people
wont <BR>
have to duplicate the research that was done previously.<BR>
Steve <BR>

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:12:46 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jmoleta30341" <james_moleta@hotmail.com>
Subject: $#@% 63 Set Gremlin! Need a hero...

A couple weeks ago, I found a reasonable #484 Dale Long to
ostensibly put my 63T set to bed. I had zero expectation of
finishing this set in 2004, but after happening upon a bargain Rose
RC during the summer, followed by a beater Koufax, my assault picked
up steam. After filing Mr. Long in my binder, I took a cursory flip
through the pages...

and found 1 card missing!!!

Does anyone have a #327 Paul Foytack they can send my way? Wantlist
thanks immortality awaits (as well as reciprocation, of course!)

Thanks and Merry Xmas,

James Moleta

=================

To: "'Ramblings'" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 07:42:18 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: MERRY CHRISTMAS

Merry Christmas to all!

I opened my Secret Santa present first thing this morning.   Got a 64
Wes Stock and three very interesting cards, blank backed Topps cards of
Jim Hunter(74), Luis Aparicio(74) and Joe Niekro(73).   How cool!

Thanks To my Secret Santa from Long Island!

=================

Date: 25 Dec 2004 14:15:22 -0000
To: "jmoleta30341" <james_moleta@hotmail.com>, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $#@% 63 Set Gremlin! Need a hero...

Have one in the binder that will be coming your way Monday.

------------- Original message follows -------------

A couple weeks ago, I found a reasonable #484 Dale Long to <BR>
ostensibly put my 63T set to bed. I had zero expectation of <BR>
finishing this set in 2004, but after happening upon a bargain Rose <BR>
RC during the summer, followed by a beater Koufax, my assault picked <BR>
up steam. After filing Mr. Long in my binder, I took a cursory flip <BR>
through the pages...<BR>
and found 1 card missing!!!<BR>
Does anyone have a #327 Paul Foytack they can send my way? Wantlist <BR>
thanks immortality awaits (as well as reciprocation, of course!)<BR>
Thanks and Merry Xmas,<BR>
James Moleta<BR>

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Date: 25 Dec 2004 19:58:58 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Secret Santa Identification

Would my Secret Santa please identifiy himself as there was no note or
postmark identification on the puffy.  Thanks are definitely in order.

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:06:02 -0500
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Dan Austin <dan@iamdanaustin.com>
Subject: Merry Xmas set!

After a REALLY long absence, I'm back on the job, working on my "virtual
card collection" website!  In honor of this, I've posted a few new sets
just in time for Christmas - a "cards that never were" page (that I expect
to grow), and the 1941 Double lay set - enjoy!

http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/index.html

- Danta Claus

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

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Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 19:47:24 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan <seanobc@comcast.net>
Subject: an A-rod for the boston fan?

Sorry for the UV nature of the card, but you have to check out auction
#5151131976  on ebay... this is an individually numbered set of gold
cards.  Topps has been doing this for a few years.  this year 2005 of
each... guess which number is in the ebay lot :)

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:33:17 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Secret Santa Thanks and OBC Thanks

First off let me say thanks to all of OBC (past and present) who have made
OBC a great group to belong to. Second...thanks to everyone who posted their
thanks tonight. Made it very nice to come home tonight.

My Secret Santa was long time Vegas friend, Joe Cerullo. Joe hits my
Phillies list pretty hard with a bunch of stuff from North of the border. First  was
two 1933 Goudey Canadian Phillies, hard to find and much appreciated. To  keep
them company, Joe sent along two Post Canadian cards. And to keep those
company, he sent along a tough '47-'66 Exhibit of Carl Sawtaski and a '53 Bowman
color Howie Fox. All needed and appreciated. Thanks so much Joe and I will see
you in Vegas.

Take care all, Happy Holidays...

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:05:15 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: I'm moving back!!!

New Englanders, check out this site:

http://www.bostonsportscollect.com/about/shows.html

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 00:52:52 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: Christmas in OBC Land

Hey gang:

A merry, merry and a happy, happy to all of you.  We had the usual weeklong
rush before the actual holiday but Christmas was pretty stress free once it
arrived for a change.

As always, I saved the OBC gift for last (actually, this is only the third
year I didn't open it by mistake early!) and it was a beaut-Dave Skoglund sent
along about 60 late 50's, early 60's tiptons and I spent a good chunk of the
morning reading the backs!

Thanks Dave and I hope you all had a great holiday!

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:02:26 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" <chuckparis@comcast.net>
Subject: New Year's Resolution Challenge

This year I am going to do my best to send an SCP to everyone on their birthday.
 Who's up to the challenge ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

(Sounds pretty good doesn't it Bob, Joel and Coop!?!?!?!?!?! )

PS I've updated my major dup's list if anybody wants to get a trade going

http://home.comcast.net/~chuckparis/

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:44:10 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Cgellisonva@aol.com
From: tply@aol.com
Subject: 1,001 REASONS TO LOVE BASEBALL

Christmas gifts are special and all are appreciated! This year my son gave
me a book I am in love with titled "1,001 Reasons To Love Baseball". I will
share as many of these reasons with all of you over the coming months/years much
like I have done baseball quotes in the past.

I hope all of you had a wonderful Christmas and I apologize for being  silent
of late. I owe Arthur Wainwright, Doug Smith and Bama long over due  THANKS
which I will post later this morning.

Right now I would like to share the introduction from my new book with all
of you:

"I fell in love with baseball before first sight, long before I could talk
in full sentence. By the time I was five I was a baseball-card-carrying member
of Young Baseball Fanatics of America, studying the faces of my first heroes,
memorizing a ridiculous number of statistics, and wanting someone-anyone-to
throw a baseball in my direction. The pleasures of baseball were so clear to
me  that I couldn't understand why every other kid didn't live and breathe the
game,  too. I assumed it was the birthright of the American child to bond
with  baseball, but apparently I was mistaken. Years later, when I met adults who
had  somehow grown up in a baseball-free environment, or had been turned off
to the  sport at an early age, I felt they had been deprived of untold joys.
Everyone  should experience playing ball with a motley group of neighborhood
kids;  smacking and catching a ball; opening a bubblegum-scented pack of trading
cards;  following a favorite team and a special player's entire career;
watching a  million games on TV; and finally, going to a game at a major league

Baseball to me is really about cumulative memories of playing the game and
being a fan. People who meet baseball for the first time as adults are at a
disadvantage; they have no existing history to which they can add the new
experience. That's why it is extremely hard to convert adults to the game. But I
have made it my mission to keep trying by subjecting countless people-including
my foreign-born relatives-to repeated exposure. I say "Forget the opera, and
come to a night game with me!" This book will, I hope, remind diehard,
longtime  baseball fans why they love this exciting, aesthetically beautiful,
multifaceted  game so much, because its pages include an accumulation of baseball
memories we  all share. Equally important, I believe that it will help them
explain to their  naive acquaintances, through pictures and words-1,001 of the
reasons I have used  on converts of my own (including Mary Tiegreen)-why it
makes sense to have such  passion for the game. Maybe they will come to realize
that a few things in life  are as satisfying as America's pasttime."

-------Danny Peary

And one of the reasons my son bought me the book was he was thumbing  through
it and found a reason that brought back memories for him and me, "The  Bash
Brothers", I haven't found that one yet, but I will!

Tripleplay (Rick)

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:44:37 -0800 (PST)
To: Chuck Paris <chuckparis@comcast.net>, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Bob Farrell <rrfarrell@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Year's Resolution Challenge

Chuck has inspired me.  I'm going to try to do the same.

Chuck Paris <chuckparis@comcast.net> wrote:
This year I am going to do my best to send an SCP to everyone on their birthday.  Who's up to the challenge ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

(Sounds pretty good doesn't it Bob, Joel and Coop!?!?!?!?!?! )

PS I've updated my major dup's list if anybody wants to get a trade going

http://home.comcast.net/~chuckparis/

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 16:44:47 -0800
From: "John Scott Gray" <meyergray@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Year's Resolution Challenge

Chuck and all,

That sounds like a great idea, and I would love to give it a go!  One problem
is that there are some names that are not listed in our birthday list (mine,
for example, is 9-17-73).  I am not sure how many others are not in the
list, but it might be a good idea if everyone double-checked to make surethat
they were not left out!

John Scott Gray
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Paris
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Cc: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New Year's Resolution Challenge

This year I am going to do my best to send an SCP to everyone on their birthday.
 Who's up to the challenge ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

(Sounds pretty good doesn't it Bob, Joel and Coop!?!?!?!?!?! )

PS I've updated my major dup's list if anybody wants to get a trade going

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Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 17:47:34 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: some help for Roy Leslie's grand daughter

Hello cardboardians,

I received this email today. If any of you learned guru's have any
particular info on Roy Leslie I think she would really appreciate it.

Dear Sir,
My grandfather (on my mother's side) was  named Roy Leslie.  He played for
the Cubs, the Cardinals and the  Phillies in the late teens and early 1920s.
I  know he had  a baseball card but I haven't been able to see one.  Doing
a Google  search today, I came across your site and saw that you have a 1922
Roy  Leslie.  Do you think your Roy Leslie is my grandfather?  If so, do  you
have any ideas about how I might track down his baseball  card?

Karen Prill

I have already sent her a scan of the E120 card and a copy of his card
listing in the Beckett Checklist manual.

thanks, Bob Bannon

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To: <OCTraders@yahoogroups.com>,
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 19:18:54 -0800
From: "John Scott Gray" <meyergray@msn.com>
Subject: Going Out of Town

My friends,

I will be heading out of town in the morning to attend a philosophy conference
in Boston, MA, staying through the early morning of the 30th.  If any traders
are in the area and would like to get together for coffee, feel freeto
call me at my hotel (Radisson Hotel Boston, 617-482-1800).  Regardless,I
will talk to you folks when I get back.

Be happy,

John Scott Gray
=================

Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 21:08:00 -0500
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Subject: Walter Whitehead update from 724-677-4789 / Fitak update anyone?

Well I decided to give them a call.  I talked with Bobbi first (the
Hospice nurse?) & then John.  I asked & John says I was the 1st person
to call.  I found out that Walter Whitehead IS his name but he never
made the majors.  He played in the minors for Memphis or some North
Texas team (says John Robinson).  But his cousin was a STL Browns
pitcher named Johnny G. Whitehead he thinks.  Anyway 3 minutes into the
call, he said he appreciated me calling but Walter had passed away just
last week :-(   I told him I'd let the other guys know.   John did say
he had called one person himself (one of you guys?) & asked if I was
him, at the start of the call.

Anyone have any update on Tim or Linda Fitak since July 2004 when I last
talked with them?  Tim said he'd have his computer back by Sept 5th.

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:05:08 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jceru8600@aol.com
Subject: OBC Santa Thanks

Hello fellow OBCers (active and inactive),

I just got back from my yearly trek up to New Jersey for Christmas with my
parents.  I left my Secret Santa at home to enjoy Christmas for a couple more

My Secret Santa was longtime member and Vegas friend "Trader Doug."  Doug
sends along what could be an autograph of pitching legend Rube Marquard.  This
could be the real thing and has me checking every autograph web site I can find
to verify, but you know what, even if it's not, I really appreciate that Doug
sent this along and I'll cherish it far more for the gift and what OBC has
meant to me for these many years.

My life is so very busy and I've had to take a leave of absence from OBC, but
I've never left OBC in my heart or soul.

Merry Christmas to all in OBC land and to my Secret Santa, Doug.

Take care, Joe Cerullo

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:59:26 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "cjmdpi" <cjmdpi@yahoo.com>
Subject: Not so "Secret Santa"

I received my "S S" gift early last week.  It was there staring me in
the face on our kitchen countertop every day when I got home.  Until
"company is coming" when it got moved!!!!

I finally located the present this morning and opened it up to find a
truly funny Christmas card and a Goudey of Bob (don't call me Walter)

The card and card is great.

Thanks to my "secret Santa" ........................  Ray Luurs.

Hope everyone is still enjoying the Holiday (some of us are back at
"work" today).  Since I am already past Christmas it would only seem
appropriate to wish everyone a Happy Healthy 2005!!!

2005- I'm sure it's the year of the Tiger(s)!?!?

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:18:04 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Robert Neill <rdn56@nc.rr.com>
Subject: I'm still alive--a couple of questions

I've been less than active lately--thanks to family, church, work--you
know, those things that get in the way of the really important stuff in
life :-).   Anyway, I have a couple of days, maybe, this week and want to
catch up a little.  I did manage to send out 14 packages last week (yeah, I
know, real smart going to the post office before Christmas, but it wasn't
busy on Christmas eve). I have  a couple of questions.

1. Can someone send me the password for the OBC bio page? I've long ago
lost it, and was going to add mine.
2. Is there a way to update the list of sets for the "OBC who collects what
sets"?  Mine is way out of date, and I suspect I'm not the only one--I have
a couple dupes from the 1958 Hires set and can't find anyone collecting
that set--hard to believe with this group.

=================

To: "'Robert Neill'" <rdn56@nc.rr.com>, <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 18:32:57 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

The username/password for the bio page is obc/obcbio.  I encourage
everyone to update (or create) their OBC bio.

Not sure who keeps the "OBC - Who Collects What?" up to date.  It's a
nice feature and it would be nice if someone would keep it up to date.
I know my entries are way out of date.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neill [mailto:rdn56@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:18 PM
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

I've been less than active lately--thanks to family, church, work--you
know, those things that get in the way of the really important stuff in
life :-).   Anyway, I have a couple of days, maybe, this week and want
catch up a little.  I did manage to send out 14 packages last week
(yeah, I
know, real smart going to the post office before Christmas, but it
busy on Christmas eve). I have  a couple of questions.

1. Can someone send me the password for the OBC bio page? I've long ago
lost it, and was going to add mine.
2. Is there a way to update the list of sets for the "OBC who collects
sets"?  Mine is way out of date, and I suspect I'm not the only one--I
a couple dupes from the 1958 Hires set and can't find anyone collecting
that set--hard to believe with this group.

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:20:00 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Who Collects What?

A couple of years ago, Lynn Milller and I spent a few months putting
together the first iteration of "Who Collects What".  We did all the work by
hand.  Since then, Wayne Delia and Joe Isaac have spent time updating the
list.  Wayne has created the interface that you see now.  He's written a
program for doing the updates but the problem is that the program has a hard
time coping with lists store somewhere other than www.oldbaseball.com.

Its good to hear that people are still interested in this feature.  It
motivates me to work with Wayne to see how we can update the list more
frequently and what other refinements are needed.

If any of you programmers are interested in taking over this aspect of the
OBC website, let me know.  There is enough work for everyone out there!!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:08:53 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame

Fans get to participate in an informal poll this year.  Here's the link.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/hof/y2005/index.jsp

I'm voting for Blyeleven, Boggs, Rice, Sandberg, Smith and Sutter.

Baseball does a great job of keeping interest in the game alive during the
off-season by having the HOF voting now.  When do pitchers and catchers

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:08:18 EST
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame

They report around Feb 18th this year :-)!

I voted for: Blyleven, Boggs, Garvey (the dominant 1bman of the 70s, NL
ironman), Gossage (got a save for going 3 innings back in the day), Rice (I'm kind
of torn, but his stats are good), Sandberg (dominant 2b of the 80s), and
Sutter (redefined the closer role and the original split finger fastball)...

========Original Message========
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Date:   12/27/2004 8:10:59 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:    srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink))
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To:    OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings)

Fans get to participate in an informal poll this year.  Here's the link.
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/events/hof/y2005/index.jsp

I'm voting for Blyeleven, Boggs, Rice, Sandberg, Smith and Sutter.

Baseball does a great job of keeping interest in the game alive during the
off-season by having the HOF voting now.  When do pitchers and catchers

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:23:26 EST
To: ChicoD1@aol.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net,
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame

ok my votes are in Blyleven (my Homy), Rice (Dick Cumming's favorite player),
Mattingly, Sandberg, Smith, Sutter, John, Murphy, Boggs,

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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 22:46:29 -0500
To: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
From: Squirrel <detroitsquirrel@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who Collects What?

I'd like to 'give back' to the OBC community, what did you have in mind exactly?

On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:20:00 -0500, Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)
<srittenberg66@earthlink.net> wrote:
> A couple of years ago, Lynn Milller and I spent a few months putting
> together the first iteration of "Who Collects What".  We did all the work by
> hand.  Since then, Wayne Delia and Joe Isaac have spent time updating the
> list.  Wayne has created the interface that you see now.  He's written a
> program for doing the updates but the problem is that the program has a hard
> time coping with lists store somewhere other than www.oldbaseball.com.
> Its good to hear that people are still interested in this feature.  It
> motivates me to work with Wayne to see how we can update the list more
> frequently and what other refinements are needed.
> If any of you programmers are interested in taking over this aspect of the
> OBC website, let me know.  There is enough work for everyone out there!!
> Steve
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Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 19:46:54 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" <dodgergeo@elite.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

to echo Bob, I also encourage any bio creations, or updated bios.  I have the
honor of updating that page, so forward anything you write to me and I'll
get it posted.

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Donaldson
To: 'Robert Neill' ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 3:32 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

The username/password for the bio page is obc/obcbio.  I encourage
everyone to update (or create) their OBC bio.

Not sure who keeps the "OBC - Who Collects What?" up to date.  It's a
nice feature and it would be nice if someone would keep it up to date.
I know my entries are way out of date.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Neill [mailto:rdn56@nc.rr.com]
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 6:18 PM
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

I've been less than active lately--thanks to family, church, work--you
know, those things that get in the way of the really important stuff in
life :-).   Anyway, I have a couple of days, maybe, this week and want
catch up a little.  I did manage to send out 14 packages last week
(yeah, I
know, real smart going to the post office before Christmas, but it
busy on Christmas eve). I have  a couple of questions.

1. Can someone send me the password for the OBC bio page? I've long ago
lost it, and was going to add mine.
2. Is there a way to update the list of sets for the "OBC who collects
sets"?  Mine is way out of date, and I suspect I'm not the only one--I
a couple dupes from the 1958 Hires set and can't find anyone collecting
that set--hard to believe with this group.

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:18:11 +0800
To: OBC Ramblings <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: Lynn Miller <lynnm@piol.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm still alive--a couple of questions

The Bio userid and password are in the opening section of the monthly
Directory that Geordie sends to everyone.  I inputted a lot of the "Who
Collects What" data to Steve and he created the link, with others help
probably.  I don't know who keeps it up to date now.  But whomever that
person is, it would require everyone reviewing the link and submitting
the changes to the "keeper", which I highly recommend.  Similar to what
is done for the OBC Directory to Geordie. And Geordie, if that person is
still willing, you should add that name to the Directory just like
Mark's for the "keeper" of the servers.  And you should also incude the
person who does the wantlist adds/repairs to the Directory, Robert
Pigeon(?).  I find the Who Collects What link extremely useful.  If I
have some 1968 dupes for example, it's easier to use this list to find
out who is collecting that set and then click the link to their
wantlist.  Instead of going down each individual entry in the Directory
to find out who is or is not collecting that set. I don't have that
photographic memory that Steve has and have everyone's list committed to
memory  =-O    If everyone took the time to keep their portion
up-to-date, it would be a very useful tool for everyone I believe.  For
those whom this is Greek to, just go to the Directory and click on the
link at the top of the page.

Geno, I traditionally have been the "first" Ramblings of the New Year.
I plan on continuing that tradition for a long time until someone joins
from Guam.   Lynn

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 01:14:12 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wayne Delia <wayne@deliafamily.com>
Subject: Who Collects What project

I haven't seen any of the discussion yet on the updates for Who Collects
What web page, since I get the digest version of Ramblings. But Steve
Rittenberg gave me a heads-up on it (thanks, bro). It seems to be a
pretty useful page, as it helps when you have a specific duplicate card
and you want to find an OBCer who is collecting that particular set.

Over the past year and a half, I've also been collecting vintage casino
chips, and have been trying to get a handle on the collection with a
Web-based database language (MySql), along with an excellent scripting
language (PHP). While I was at it, I put the entire Baseball Cards
Images Project online. Steve Rittenberg, again, has been helping me out
by locating some images of cards which are "missing" from the project.
Some of my work can be found at
http://www.deliafamily.net/BBCI/bbci.html (for the BBCI Project), and
http://www.deliafamily.net/Chips/php/ for the database-related listing
of my casino chip collection.

What I'd propose here is the development of a web tool using MySql and
php to do the following:
1) Keep records of all sets being worked on by all members (those who
choose to participate; it's not mandatory)
2) Allow each member the capability of updating their own "Who Collects
What" set listings. John Leroux has sent me a request for update of his
current sets, and I'll handle those updates, but no real changes have
been made for quite some time to anyone's current sets.
3) Allow anyone to display, from pull-down list box selections, all
OBCers who are collecting a particular set - or all sets collected by a
particular OBC member.

I am fairly certain that MySql and PHP are both supported by our web
site host, and the beauty of both of those tools is that they're
open-source (read: Free), function-rich, and extremely well supported
and documented. I can use my website (www.deliafamily.com) as a
development/test environment, then we could most likely move the tool to
www.oldbaseball.com fairly easily.

Many pro's on this project... I could whip something up pretty quickly
and demo it from my website. No charge for the work, of course. Con's
might include the need to establish individual accounts/passwords which
has been done in the past and isn't too hard to administer. Gimme a few
days and I'll see what I can come up with. This may need to be passed by
the OBCAC but there's really no issue to be decided (except, I suppose,
whether to use the tool based on the demo). That reminds me, I probably
have made a website payment in the past few months I'll need to be
reimbursed for.

Obviously, there's more possibilities for use of the database and
scripting capabilities: standardized want lists, member info, Hall of
Mediocrity, so on and so forth. We can take it one step at a time and
see whether it pans out into something useful.

How 'bout them Red Sox!!!

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 07:36:37 -0500
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\))
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame
To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: "Steve Rittenberg (Earthlink)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2004 20:08:53 -0500
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 14:04:59 EST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: typecard@aol.com
Subject: cheap caramel hofer on ebay

Here's a cheap e121 HOFer if anyone's interested. I've bought from this
seller before, he's a good guy.

_eBay  item 5150870546 (Ends Dec-30-04 18:07:50 PST) - 1921 E121 Giants Hugh
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31719&item=5150870546&rd=1)

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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 19:36:11 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com
Subject: Availables

I have lots of 72 Topps duplicates available - I can send starter sets to
anyone that is interested.  If you sent me a list I plan to get to those also,
but will need time to sort them out better before checking lists. There is an
Earl Weaver and George Foster in there, and a good amount of the playoff cards,
and otherwise commons and minor stars.
I also expect to have a lot of Bourque, Federov, Hull, and Jagir duplicates
sometime in January from some Ebay lots if you aren't too discouraged by the
NHL (NHL = No Hockey League)
They are yours for the asking - if you want 'em you got 'em !  Please include
you address.
Happy holidays !

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 05:50:40 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" <chuckparis@comcast.net>
Subject: Who Collects What

Coincidently, I was wandering thru the OBC site yesterday and noticed that the
OBC Top3 links don't work any more.  That was something that I had put together
before the Who Collects What page was developed.  If you want to update
the links, you need to change attbi.com to comcast.net ....... no hard
feelings though if you want to just take it down.  It's been over a year since
it was updated.

SUGGESTION  would it be helpful for building/updating the Who Collects Whatif
everyone had an OBC site based wantlist that listed the sets he/she wascollecting
even if the specific cards weren't.  It could then link to the more
detailed individual wantlist.  Or maybe it wouldn't even need to be the
referenced wantlist of the directory to serve the purpose.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 14:14:52 -0700
From: "Todd Knowles" <tknowles@sofast.net>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame

I voted for Blyleven, Boggs, Morris (then I can say I homered off a Hall-ofFamer!),
Sandberg, Smith, Sutter, and Trammell.  Of those, I think Boggs and
Sandberg should get in.  Smith and Sutter deserve to get in-they define the
dominant closer.  It would be nice to see Blyleven, Morris and Trammellget
in, but probably won't happen.
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:48:21 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: A third batch of bat picturesHere's

Here's the third installment on bats from my collection.

1)  The signature portion of the barrel from a Ken Keltner bat from the Hanna
Bat Company from the 1940's-or early 50's

2)  A 1917 Louisville Slugger, 34 inches long.

3)  The label from the 1917 Louisville Slugger.

4)  A 33 inch non-tapered bat from around 1875-80.  Note the flat end of the

5)  The knob from the 1875-80 bat.

6)  Another label shot of the 1917 Louisville Slugger.

7)  A full length shot of the Ken Keltner bat, 36 Inches long.
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:59:26 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: More bat pictures

Here's a three more bats.

1)  Barrel label and Model type from a Bobby Doerr Adirondack bat from the late

2)  Full length shot of a home made bat from around 1870-80.  Made of cherry
or similar hard wood and weigning about 3 pounds.  Massive.

3)  Handle shot of the home made bat.  Note the huge knob.

4)  A very rare Zinn Beck Company bat, this one being a Frank Schulte model,
from the early 20's.  This the label on the barrel.  Sorry for the blurred

5)  A full length shot of the Schulte bat.

6)  A full length shot of the Doerr bat.
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:10:27 -0600
From: "John Harrell" <obcjohn@knology.net>
Subject: Last batch for tonite

Three more bats:

1)  Barrel shot showing label and style.  A very rare J.R. Mains Co. Babe Ruth
style bat from the early 20's, 34 inches long.  This is the only Mains bat
that I have seen over the last 2 years, much less a Ruth.

2)  A full length shot of a primitive home made bat, likely whittled from atree
limb or piece of fence post.  33 inches long.  It has nails driven into
the barrel end of the bat for weight.

3)  Shot of the knob from the primitive bat.

4)  Another Zinn Beck Co. bat, this one of Rogers Hornsby.  This bat is massive,
35 inches long and weighted with a metal rod on the barrel end.  Veryscarce

5)  Longer range shot of the Hornsby bat.  Note the scarring on the barrel.Looks
like it was used to hammer something.

6)  Another shot of the Label of the Mains Ruth bat.
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 19:15:40 EST
To: tknowles@sofast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dcbbl@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cast YOUR vote for the Hall of Fame

and no Jim Rice......a travesty :)

gotta push for #14:)

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 16:15:35 -0800
From: "KIT OKAMURO" <biglittledogs@msn.com>
Subject: help in identification

I have some what appear to be pogs, some are black and white of vintage players,
some color. any help much appreciated. thanks,
kit okamuro
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To: "'KIT OKAMURO'" <biglittledogs@msn.com>, <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:25:24 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] help in identification

Are the pogs new?  The Ted Williams card company put out pogs with on of
their sets in the early 90's.  Had a lot of older players and some Negro
league players also.

-----Original Message-----
From: KIT OKAMURO [mailto:biglittledogs@msn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:16 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help in identification

I have some what appear to be pogs, some are black and white of vintage
players, some color. any help much appreciated. thanks,
kit okamuro

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 01:03:43 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1951 Bowman Ted Williams on ebay for $72  B-I-N

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60479&item=5151702107&rd=1

I'd buy it myself if I needed one.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:00:31 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" <david.fallen@comcast.net>
Subject: Old Judge Question

I recently won my first Old Judge card on eBay.  It's quite a rush to hold a
19th century baseball card.  I have no idea whether I got a good deal or a
bad deal, but I don't really care that much - I just love the image on the

According to the seller:  "This is an interesting variation where Goodwin and
Co scrathed out the name on the original photo plate making all those black
marks you see by his name. Have only seen one other like this before and
I have owned several of these poses in the past without the black marks."

Have any of you seen this practice before?  Does anyone know the reason?  The
card (Pickett) can be viewed at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item5147746917

-Dave Fallen
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 12:23:02 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>
Subject: Breaking News for Woodie/Variation Collectors....

In a genuine effort to improve the quality of life for demented souls,
Ray Luurs has sent me a woodie for forensic examination. It's Checklist
6, card #441. All of us who are afflicted by the variation disease were
well aware of two different issues, to wit the font size of the word
"Checklist" on the front of the card. However...

I have just stepped out of my lab and still have my loupe in hand. The
card that Ray sent is absolutely a THIRD variation of this checklist. It
looks like the check mark and the word Checklist, which are red, have
been overprinted in yellow, but offset from the red lettering. Also, the
boxes are solid yellow, similar to the Checklist 7 variation, and there
is a thick yellow line running top to bottom near the wood border on the
right side. Completely different from the other two Checklist 6 cards in
the binder.

Thanks, Ray..I think..I know Ken M. will be very pleased with you. I can
make scans available of all 3 cards if anyone is interested.

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To: "'Dave Fallen'" <david.fallen@comcast.net>,
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:26:24 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <obcbobd@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Old Judge Question

Cool looking card.  I don't know too much about old judges but a good
place to go would be the Vintage Baseball Cards Forum at Network54
http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652

There's a lot of knowledge at this forum which focuses on vintage cards,
with vintage being pre-war.  Actually, most of the talk is pre WW I.  I
think if you asked your question there you would get a lot of good info.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Fallen [mailto:david.fallen@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:01 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Old Judge Question

I recently won my first Old Judge card on eBay.  It's quite a rush to
hold a 19th century baseball card.  I have no idea whether I got a good
deal or a bad deal, but I don't really care that much - I just love the
image on the card!

According to the seller:  "This is an interesting variation where
Goodwin and Co scrathed out the name on the original photo plate making
all those black marks you see by his name. Have only seen one other like
this before and I have owned several of these poses in the past without
the black marks."

Have any of you seen this practice before?  Does anyone know the reason?
The card (Pickett) can be viewed at:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5147746917>

-Dave Fallen

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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:02:43 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: an email problem

I am having a problem with some of my emails not going out.

I have been told that my server, AOL, may be the problem. So, #1 my apology
if I have missed anyone or anything. Of course, how would we know? For that
matter who's to say that you will get this?
#2, any insites on this problem? Has anyone else experienced this? It seems
to happen for a day and then not for a few.

Thanks,  Bob Bannon

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To: <david.fallen@comcast.net>
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:12:01 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>
Subject: Old Judge Chicken Scratchings

In response to Dave Fallen's rambling...
I've gotten interested in Old Judges myself in the past few months after viewing
a couple thousand of them in the Burdick Collection. Dealer Dave Levin
who reported the recent "Oregon Find" in SCD has a web page with Old Judges
galore. He has 4 different Pickets pictured. Two of them have the same chicken
scratchings including the one you picked up. If you email Dave Levin,
he might be able to shed some light on the scratchings. Check out his website
at:http://gfg.com/LLojfind/21.shtml. If that shortcut doesn't get you there
try searching for: Dave's Vintage Baseball Cards. Let us know what you
George Vrechek

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Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:51:27 -0500
To: grains@dccnet.com (Grant Rainsley)
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Breaking News for Woodie/Variation

Did you mean to say "....stepped out of the lab and still have my toupe'
in hand"??

We keep what we give away!

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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 00:00:11 +0800
To: OBC Ramblings <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: Lynn Miller <lynnm@piol.net>
Subject: Happy New Year!

As I think I'm still the first in OBC Land to celebrate the New Year,
here's wishing all of my exceptional friends in OBC and their families a
very happy and healthy 2005.  Keep your loved ones foremost in your
hearts and minds always.  May the bereaved families of those who were
lost in the recent catastrophe and who suffered the loss of their homes
find comfort and peace soon.  A special thanks to all the fine men and
women serving around the world, some in harm's way, for defending the
freedoms we cherish so much.  I especially have a lot to be thankful
for.  I have been blessed with a truly wonderful family and enormously
good friends.  I have good health and wealth that cannot be measured in
dollars.  I live in a tropical paradise.  And I have my baseball cards.
What more can a man ask for?
Happy New Year, Lynn

Secretary of the Navy
Retiree Council Rep Philippines
http://www.lifelines.navy.mil/retireecouncil/

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 11:36:26 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu
Subject: Vacation Ramble - HOF votes

First I am going to start with my HOF votes. I voted for Boggs, Mattingly,
Rice, Sandberg, Dawson and Smith. While Boggs should surely get in one day, I
hope he gets in on his first ballot. When he got traded to the Yankees he moved
up the street from me and he is the closest player to being someone I really
knew and has always remained one of my favorites. I remember when he first
moved and my older sister and I asked his wife if we could get autographs and
she said of course and he took a break from eating dinner to sign our cards
without a shirt! Also remember when we were playing baseball in the street one
day with his son and asked him to get his Dad to come play too. He said
alright...and sure enough 15 minutes later out was Wade Boggs taking us on 5 on
1. Maybe he deserves an asterisk next to his name for using that Aluminum
bat...but to this day I have never seen anyone hit a tennis ball that far!
Singles hitter my a...

I also just got back from a family vacation to Aruba. Coincidentally one of my
Mom's best friends and her family were down there as well. For those of you I
haven't told, one of her best friends is the daughter of Sy Berger, the starter
of Topps Baseball. Hearing stories from their entire family (they have one
daughter) out at dinner was a real treat. She really put into perspective how
the game has changed though. Even when her father goes to spring training soon
only the older guys come up and say hi...none of the new players/agents care -
its just a business to them. She pointed out how everyone loves Derek Jeter
because he is such a great guy...but ALL of the players of the players used to
be easygoing great guys like that. She mentioned names of players that used to
have dinner at her house like Mays (her father is his unofficial business
manager and lifelong friend), Mantle, J. Robison, W. Ford, Maris, and others.
Her husband, although not a card collector, is a die-hard sports fan and even
carries around two laminated cards (a 1961 and 1966 Maris) in his wallet!! Some
of the best quotes from the week that I thought I would share are this..

"Remember when we went out with that sleezy ballplayer who kept hitting on us??
That Staub guy...what a creep!" -- My MOM?!?!

"I think my Grandpa is on a baseball card now or something" -- Their Daughter

"Dad (he is named Mark) remember when you told Mickey Mantle to sign the ball
for your son Mark so now it says Dear Mark, best of luck...Mickey!" -- Their

"Oh man...he still can't believe he dumped all those cards!" -- Their Dad on
the 1952s

and best of all

"He doesn't really do much anymore...anytime you would like to talk to him just
let me know!"

this of course was promptly followed by their daughters comment

"Don't tell him that! Grandpa never shuts up! Once he starts talking he'll go
on for hours and its like yeah grandpa yeah grandpa...I know he was a great
ballplayer! He'll talk your ear off Jason!"

I hope everyone had a merry Christmas/Happy Hannukah! Happy New Years!!

Jason Ursaner

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 12:17:44 EST
To: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vacation Ramble - HOF votes

While in Aruba  did you offer any advice to Sidney  he seems to be in search
of a lawyer now  where they've passed the bar or not

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 14:03:20 EST
To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com
Subject: HOF Thanks!

MY sincere thanks out to Josh Levine for a chat session claim! Josh sent me
two wonderful Black and White Hall of Fame Post Cards of Bill Terry and Mel
Ott!!! THANKS Josh for the great Post Cards, now I have to add a wantlist for
the Black and White to go with the modern day collection I have of the HOF
Post  Cards!!!!

Welcome to all the new OBCer's and Happy New Year to all of OBC!!!!! May we
all experience a safe and good year in 2005 with all our troops and others in
harms way being as safe as possible!

1,001 Reasons To Love Baseball:

Reason Number 578

"The silver voice of Dodgers announcer Vin Scully."

Tripleplay (Rick)

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 23:27:52 -0600
From: "Shawn Adkins" <shawn.adkins@showmesavants.com>
Subject: Shout out

Howdy all,

Just wanted to send a quick note introducing myself and to wish everyone
a Happy New Year.   I'm very excited about joining the group and look
forward to meeting you.

Take Care,

Shawn Adkins

My baseball wantlists
http://www.showmesavants.com/baseball