================= To: "Obc-Ramblings" Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 18:37:04 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: need some help Hey guys, I was talking to friend of mine at work today and found out that his dad used to play in the major leagues in the late 50s - early 60s. The guy is obviously pretty close to his dad as his voice changed when we started talking about growing up as the son of a major leaguer. My friend pitched at Clemson in the mid 70s and made it as far as AA for the Orioles. He said that he wasn't really that good but with his dads name in the game he was given a shot that others may not have been given. If he pitched at Clemson and made it to AA he was a lot better than me. We shared some stories about soem of his past teammates like Tim Tuefel and Jimmy Key. It felt good to talk baseball with someone that knew so many guys that we see on cardboard. But somehow I felt guilty for making him think about the good old days with his dad. I thought as a gesture that I would see if any of you guys had a card of his dad. I could only find 2 cards listed: 1960T #251 and 1961T #530. If you know of more PLMK. Thanks for checking! vintage wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=169083&ck ================= To: "Obc-Ramblings" , Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:01:08 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need some help Mark: Robert Malkmus is also on: 1958 Senators Team #19 1958 Topps #356 1959 Topps #151 1959 Topps Venezualan #151 Alas, I have no dups of this gentleman, but adding the above numbers to thehunt may improve your chances of scoring a hit. Good luck. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Holland To: Obc-Ramblings Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:37 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] need some help Hey guys, I was talking to friend of mine at work today and found out that his dad used to play in the major leagues in the late 50s - early 60s. The guy is obviously pretty close to his dad as his voice changed when we started talking about growing up as the son of a major leaguer. My friend pitched at Clemson in the mid 70s and made it as far as AA for the Orioles. He said that he wasn't really that good but with his dads name in the game he was given a shot that others may not have been given. If he pitched at Clemson and made it to AA he was a lot better than me. We shared some stories about soem of his past teammates like Tim Tuefel and Jimmy Key. It felt good to talk baseball with someone that knew so many guys that we see on cardboard. But somehow I felt guilty for making him think about the good old days with his dad. I thought as a gesture that I would see if any of you guys had a card of his dad. I could only find 2 cards listed: 1960T #251 and 1961T #530. If you know of more PLMK. Thanks for checking! vintage wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:19:50 EDT To: wholla_m@bellsouth.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need some help Mark - I have a 59T of Bob Malkmus in pretty decent shape. It's on it's way to you. - Doug ================= To: , Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:22:40 -0400 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: FOOT (and a Morganti-esque ramble) I can't claim membership in FOOT. I can't even claim to have any ties, lifelong or otherwise, to the Tigers. I did recount memories of listening to Ernie Harwell broadcast Tiger games in the 1960s and 70's on WJR 770 (only radio station I could pick up on the shores of Lake Erie). That seemed to be enough for the guys from FOOT--because they pretty much adopted me for acouple of days. Mike Rich, Mark Talbot, Ron Perry, EEK and Mike's friend Mark showed up outside my hotel Tuesday with ticket vouchers and packages. Saw a well playedgame between the Tigers and the White Sox--some great defense and a numberHRs. Comerica is a neat park--with a great historical display of the Tigers depicted around the park. And the Tigers won to boot. Mike continues to rival Mr. Rittenberg as a set finisher--completing my 1979 Burger King Yankee set with a few hits including one of my favorites Roy White (Thurman was also in the mix). Mark Talbot hits me with a card he had been holding for a few months--a non-green tint Al Kaline and a stack of other stuff: hockey (Marcel Dionne), basketball (six stars to the 75-76 set), some early 60s football, and more early baseball-a 52 Topps black back,a Tipton mint 56 Dodger Team card, and a bunch more. Ron Perry cuts my OBC-only 1970 Fleer world series want list in half with a handful of hits. Great stuff--thanks to the members of FOOT! I think you have already heard the tales of the bakery in Greektown. The place was packed at 11:00 PM. I think if I dared eat Mike's favorite doublechocolate torte--I would have been up all night. Day two (Wednesday) found a co-worker driving me twenty minutes out of Detroit to the weekly card show at the Elks club. I only wish I could find a weekly show close by me in Maryland. I found four or five tables that had vintage stuff and even picked up a few deals--$1.25- 55 Bowman high numbers,a $2.00 1962 Jello Whitey Ford, and a few $3.00 Playballs. Also met up with EEK and Mike--sadly Mark couldn't make it to the show. Dinner followed the show--EEK had to drive the hour home and I headed to Mike's for about an You all know Mike has cards--I actually took about 30 minutes to look through the 62 green tint series. It was helpful to see both cards at the same time. Some of the greenies are tough to distinguish from the second printing. More cards traded hands--Mike handed over a 64 Kahn's Bill Virden and atype card autographed (at the National) Tito Francona 62 Baseball bucks. About that time Mark arrived to say goodbye in person. Apparently I had said something the night before about not having many 1952 Topps cards--so Mark went home and found four or five more to hand to me (along with a green tint Wally Post). Just so you know--there will be payback! About that time I pulled a couple of 74 Topps football stars from one of Mike's dupe boxes--leaving only a couple of commons and Terry Bradshaw on my list. On to the commons box--leaving only Bradshaw. On to the "BROWN" binder--the last remnants of Mike's days as a dealer--circa 1982. And wouldn'tyou know it--two 74 Bradshaws and another vintage set finished by the Oak Park If you have read this far--you should attempt to guess what prices Mike wasasking for back in 1982 for a 1960 Fleer Jack Kemp--or a 55 All American Jim Many thanks to all of FOOT--but specifically Mike, Mark, EEK and Ron for making another business trip to Detroit so much more than an empty hotel room. A game, camaraderie, sweets, card shows, dinner and the Rich Museum. thanks guys, Peter Mead ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 01:34:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Ramblings OBC , From: John Pugsley Subject: 55 & 56 Dupes -- one each OBCers -- Well I haven't been very active lately. So let me at least pass along a couple dupes I've received recently. 1955T #49, got a dupe thanks to JSG & Fr Pat 1956T #62, another dupe thanks to Tom Steinbroner Let me know if you need either one or both. Also please pass along a thanks to the kind OBCers mentioned above when you receive them. In addition, please send your address to speed up the process. Hanging out in Paradise, http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: 2 Oct 2004 12:54:59 -0000 To: "Dave Fallen" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need some help Bob Malkmus played from 57 to 62, starting with Milwaukee in 57, going to Wash. in 58, then to Philadelphia in 60. He played the most games of his career in 60 and 61 so I'd guess there are cards of him in both those years as well. On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:01:08 -0700, "Dave Fallen" wrote : > Mark: Robert Malkmus is also on: > 1958 Senators Team #19 > 1958 Topps #356 > 1959 Topps #151 > 1959 Topps Venezualan #151 > Alas, I have no dups of this gentleman, but adding the above numbers to the hunt may improve your chances of scoring a hit. Good luck. > -Dave Fallen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Holland > To: Obc-Ramblings > Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 3:37 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] need some help > Hey guys, > I was talking to friend of mine at work today and found out that his dad used to play in the major leagues in the late 50s - early 60s. The guy is obviously pretty close to his dad as his voice changed when we started talking about growing up as the son of a major leaguer. My friend pitched at Clemson in the mid 70s and made it as far as AA for the Orioles. He said that he wasn't really that good but with his dads name in the game he was given a shot that others may not have been given. If he pitched at Clemson and made it to AA he was a lot better than me. We shared some stories about soem of his past teammates like Tim Tuefel and Jimmy Key. It felt good to talk baseball with someone that knew so many guys that we see on cardboard. But somehow I felt guilty for making him think about the good old days with his dad. I thought as a gesture that I would see if any of you guys had a card of his dad. I could only find 2 cards listed: 1960T #251 and 1961T #530. If you know of more PLMK. > Thanks for checking! > Mark > vintage wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=169083&ck> > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Yahoo! Groups Links > a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 14:11:14 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Another off-season to ponder... OBCers -- It appears only a minor miracle will save my beloved North-Siders a spot in the NL Wild Card. Their bullpen really let them down this week, but none as bad as wasting Prior's 16 K performance the other day. Sosa has become Dave Kingman-like, although the rest of the line-up is decent. The last time a Cubs catcher hit .300 was probably about the time the Germans and French were tossing mustard gas at each other - I'll have to check on that. At least I have the Bears now - oh wait, they suck. How about the Fighting Illini? They suck worse. The Blackhawks - no hockey. Oh well, I'll raise a toast to the Fighting Illini basketball team, they start in a few months I As I was watching yesterday's game on the internet, I was looking at my wantlist. I remember when I joined OBC mine was probably the easiest one to hit. It has since turned into one of the more difficult ones. I'm working on the 1964 set and 1957 set right now in particular and started thinking about those pesky 1957 checklists. The last one books for over $1000! I think I'm going to take them off of my list for now and call my set complete when I get all the numbered cards (same with the '56 set). What do you guys think of that? I've never been big on variations either and tend to stick to basic sets, so I think this is fair enough - but man, it's weighing on my brain! Of course if I ever come across them, I'll pop them in the binder. The only one I do have I got in a $1 box from a shop that didn't have any old cards to speak of. One other set that I had added recently is the 1948 Swell Babe Ruth Story set. I won an Ebay lot of five cards one night when I had one too many Coronas and started looking through the auctions. They are truly some ugly cards! Why I'm going to chase them, I don't know, but I suppose it's because I've got a few and must get them all now. Do you guys have any ugly sets on your list for no apparent reason?!? Just my end-of-the-season ramble -- back to your regularly scheduled Take Care, Geno ================= Date: 2 Oct 2004 16:39:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Out of pocket again Some of you know that I've been rather itinerant lately, with my mother going to the hospital back in the spring, the death of my father in June and now my mother hospitalized again. I'm off to Memphis again this weekend, taking over from my brother who has been there a week (he lives in Charleston). Hopefully my mother will get to go home this week ( she fell 3 weeks ago and fractured a vertebra). Thanks to those who've sent cardboard recently and thanks for the thoughts and Hopefully things will calm down a bit and I can get back to cardboard. Till then, have an error-free season. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 16:57:28 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: For Sale - Cheap!!! 2 unused tickets to today's cubs-braves game, in which the cubs completed one of the biggest chokes since the 1969 season. if you act before midnight tonight, i will one from my pile of unused playoff tickets that i have from at least 4 seasons in the past 10. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 23:35:57 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Fake vintage PSA cards on ebay You need to contact your local postmaster general about this problem: it is mail fraud, pure and simple. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:03:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Ramblings OBC , From: John Pugsley Subject: 55T & 56T Extras Dan Angland claims the two dupes I have. Hope this helps with his quest for the full Topps run. http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:30:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Toronto show The semi-annual Toronto show is November 12-14. I expect to be able to take over my sister's house again for the weekend. If anyone else would like to join me (I think Ron Perry and Earl Kilborne are planning on it), let me know. Additionally, we are offering our services to be designated shoppers for Canadian issues for those looking for them. This is a great show for hockey of all types except 1968-present Topps, OPC BB CFL items. With a couple hundred dealers, there is plenty of everything. The exchange rate is not as good as it was, but we still get a nice exchange (I think it is around 27% right now). Send wantlists and any limits on costs and conditions to me by November 1. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:36:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Ichiro * question I know Ichiro has set the new single season hit record. However, I have not heard a single thing about an asterisk being next to it in the record book. It took him to the 158th or so game to break the record. If Maris had to have an asterisk for the home run record, then I assume Ichiro must have an asterisk also. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 17:51:54 -0700 (PDT) To: mikesportsfan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question Mike, the Maris asterisk was dropped in 1995, so it has been determined that Ichiro shouldn't be subjected to the distinction. I think it's amazing that Ichiro made the mark playing for such a horses**t team myself... Take care, --- mikesportsfan wrote: > I know Ichiro has set the new single season hit > record. However, I > have not heard a single thing about an asterisk > being next to it in > the record book. It took him to the 158th or so > game to break the > record. If Maris had to have an asterisk for the > home run record, > then I assume Ichiro must have an asterisk also. > Mike Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:25:25 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Variation Collectors - Interesting item Recent tem number: 5126692980 on ebay was a 1980 #387 of Fred Stanley name in yellow. It is listed as a $2.50 card in guides. I've never seen the cardand finally took it off my want list. Bidding started at $2.50. I think I went all the way up to $7.50 for the card. It just sold for $1,044. A yellow letter 537 Wathan from 1980 went for something like $250, only about $240over my bid. Egads! George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:54:44 EDT To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question Bud has already said there will be no * next to his name. Quite an accomplishment I'd say. I hear people belly-aching that he is no where near the player Sisler was. My arguement is that it is harder to get that many hits in a season it todays game. Better fields, better and larger gloves, better athletes. Local sportstalk radio guys here complained that he bunted the other day for a hit and that he swung at a high pitch to get a hit, calling him selfish. My thought is that the Mariners have nothing to play for and this was an exciting thing for the team. The guy is a free swinger, that's his style. They say he got way too many singles. His job is to get a hit, I don't care how he does it. With his speed, he can turn many singles into doubles with a stolen base. I give Suzuki all the accolates. Amazing story in a pretty damn good baseball season (except if you are a Met fan ). Now I can concentrate on the Red ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question Date: 10/3/2004 8:38:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: mikesportsfan@aol.com (mikesportsfan) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com I know Ichiro has set the new single season hit record. However, I have not heard a single thing about an asterisk being next to it in the record book. It took him to the 158th or so game to break the record. If Maris had to have an asterisk for the home run record, then I assume Ichiro must have an asterisk also. Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (rly-xb04.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.136]) by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v101_r1.4) with ESMTP id MAILINXB11-a341609b7133e; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:38:29 -0400 Received: from n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n8a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.42]) by rly-xb04.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB43-a341609b7133e; Sun, 03 Oct 2004 20:38:09 -0400 Received: from [66.218.69.6] by n8.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:36:21 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.158] by mailer6.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:36:21 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: mikesportsfan@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 31955 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2004 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2004 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n20a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com) (66.94.237.49) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2004 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.69.4] by n20.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:36:18 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by mailer4.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2004 00:36:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.94.237.49 From: "mikesportsfan" X-Originating-IP: 64.12.116.137 X-Yahoo-Profile: mikesportsfan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 00:36:17 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.42 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:0:0: X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 ================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 23:55:44 EDT To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item Date: 10/3/2004 11:24:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: vrechek@ameritech.net (George Vrechek) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings) To: "Ramblings" From: "George Vrechek" Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 22:25:25 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item ================= To: "mikesportsfan" , Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 21:13:25 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question Great ramble topic. Here's my take...(long-winded too...) I'm not sure I would call the Mariners horses**t ... They were neither the worst team in baseball nor even the worst team in the AL, finishing 5 games better than KC and a full dozen games better than While baseball is a team game, each player has individual stats for a reason. When he is standing at the plate, it's just him against the pitcher. What the rest of his team consists of is not too important. Sure, if you are Bonds, they would rather walk you, but again, that's the individual they are walking , not the entire team. That strategy reflects the individual talent that could sway the course of the game, that's all. If my son's 4th grade little-league team had eight 10-yr olds and Ichiro, most likely Ichiro would lead their little league in hitting. If he played with any major league team he would, and has, lead the league in hitting. Perhaps you are thinking that the opponents should walk Ichiro instead of pitching to him. This does not make sense at all, because why make his OBP 1.000 when you can pitch to him and he'll only get an on base percentage of .414 ?? If you walk him those extra 60 percent of the time, even a team of horses**t .250 hitters will beat you more times than not. Remember that Ichiro made nearly 500 outs this year. Teams walk Bonds so that they don't give up multiple runs on extra base hits or home runs, which is not Ichiro's strength. Here is an amazing stat though...Ichiro led the AL in Intentional BB...with That's a weeks worth for Barry. But back to the team thing...look at the hitting records for guys like Chuck Klein in 1930 (.386, 40 HR,170 RBI). That team lost 102 games in a shorter schedule. Here's a couple more...Rogers Hornsby 1928 (.387,21,94) team lost 103 games. Ron Santo 1966 (.312,30,94) for another 103 loss team. It shows that when you get up to the plate, your abilities are separate from the team you play for. You can hit well for a last place team just like you can hit well for a first place.Getting hits should actually be easier for a guy who comes up with fewer guys on base because the opponent would not fear a harmless single. Ichiro may have been helped, not hurt by his team's "off And besides, my Phillies disappointing season should take the cake as being called horses**t !!! OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stufflestreet" To: "mikesportsfan" ; Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question > Mike, the Maris asterisk was dropped in 1995, so it > has been determined that Ichiro shouldn't be subjected > to the distinction. > I think it's amazing that Ichiro made the mark playing > for such a horses**t team myself... > Take care, > Chris > --- mikesportsfan wrote: >> I know Ichiro has set the new single season hit >> record. However, I >> have not heard a single thing about an asterisk >> being next to it in >> the record book. It took him to the 158th or so >> game to break the >> record. If Maris had to have an asterisk for the >> home run record, >> then I assume Ichiro must have an asterisk also. >> Mike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:01:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Brian Lindholme , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question Hey, I never said the M's were the ONLY team one could call horses**t...compared with the Mariners of the past 5 years, they were a huge dissapointment. However, considering that Sisler set his own record with the 1920 St. Louis Browns, there is certainly some precedence for getting a lot of hits with a woeful team. Keep in mind that as one of the more well-known Yankee fans in OBC, I get to hear a lot of words directed toward the team I root for, and expect to hear worse than "horses**t" when they bow out of the playoffs (which I'm predicting will be in the ALCS). Then again, considering that the Yanks lost 22-0 to a team that finished even worse than the Mariners, I was using some of those dirty words myself! Take care, --- Brian Lindholme wrote: > Great ramble topic. Here's my take...(long-winded > too...) > I'm not sure I would call the Mariners horses**t ... > They were neither the worst team in baseball nor > even the worst team in the > AL, finishing 5 games better than KC and a full > dozen games better than > Arizona. > While baseball is a team game, each player has > individual stats for a > reason. When he is standing at the plate, it's just > him against the pitcher. > What the rest of his team consists of is not too > important. Sure, if you are > Bonds, they would rather walk you, but again, that's > the individual they are > walking , not the entire team. That strategy > reflects the individual talent > that could sway the course of the game, that's all. > If my son's 4th grade little-league team had eight > 10-yr olds and Ichiro, > most likely Ichiro would lead their little league in > hitting. If he played > with any major league team he would, and has, lead > the league in hitting. > Perhaps you are thinking that the opponents should > walk Ichiro instead of > pitching to him. This does not make sense at all, > because why make his OBP > 1.000 when you can pitch to him and he'll only get > an on base percentage of > .414 ?? > If you walk him those extra 60 percent of the time, > even a team of > horses**t .250 hitters will beat you more times than > not. Remember that > Ichiro made nearly 500 outs this year. > Teams walk Bonds so that they don't give up multiple > runs on extra base hits > or home runs, which is not Ichiro's strength. > Here is an amazing stat though...Ichiro led the AL > in Intentional BB...with > 19. > That's a weeks worth for Barry. > But back to the team thing...look at the hitting > records for guys like Chuck > Klein in 1930 (.386, 40 HR,170 RBI). That team lost > 102 games in a shorter > schedule. Here's a couple more...Rogers Hornsby 1928 > (.387,21,94) team lost > 103 games. Ron Santo 1966 (.312,30,94) for another > 103 loss team. > It shows that when you get up to the plate, your > abilities are separate from > the team you play for. You can hit well for a last > place team just like you > can hit well for a first place.Getting hits should > actually be easier for a > guy who comes up with fewer guys on base because the > opponent would not fear > a harmless single. Ichiro may have been helped, not > hurt by his team's "off > year". > And besides, my Phillies disappointing season should > take the cake as being > called horses**t !!! > OBC Forever, > Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Stufflestreet" > > To: "mikesportsfan" ; > > Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:51 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question > > > > Mike, the Maris asterisk was dropped in 1995, so > it > > has been determined that Ichiro shouldn't be > subjected > > to the distinction. > > > > I think it's amazing that Ichiro made the mark > playing > > for such a horses**t team myself... > > > > Take care, > > Chris > > > > --- mikesportsfan wrote: > > > >> > >> I know Ichiro has set the new single season hit > >> record. However, I > >> have not heard a single thing about an asterisk > >> being next to it in > >> the record book. It took him to the 158th or so > >> game to break the > >> record. If Maris had to have an asterisk for the > >> home run record, > >> then I assume Ichiro must have an asterisk also. > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We > finish. > > http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 05:06:38 -0700 (PDT) To: ChicoD1@aol.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * question --- ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: > Local sportstalk radio guys here complained that he > bunted the other day for > a hit and that he swung at a high pitch to get a > hit, calling him selfish. Sal, those same talk show guys would be tearing him a new sphincter if he was missing those chances to get a couple of hits and still calling him selfish. Now, let Ichiro get traded to the Yankees or another team in contention and see if they say the same thing... Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:19:44 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Hofstra show Sat? Ok boys, who's going? Its being billed as "the first Long Island national" whatever that means (actually it means most Mets cards will be way overpriced). I know Dave and Kevin are thinking about going. Who else is in? I have a game out east Sat at 5, so I would have to be out of there by 3PM the latest. ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:31:30 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Did they find Jimmy Hofstra? I thought he was in the Meadowlands endzone? ================= To: , Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 11:16:21 -0400 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Can anyone supply the details on this show? For that matter, does anyone know of a good show calendar on the web? I used to have one in my favoritesbut it got zapped at some point. ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Ok boys, who's going? Its being billed as "the first Long Island national" whatever that means (actually it means most Mets cards will be way overpriced). I know Dave and Kevin are thinking about going. Who else is in? Ihave a game out east Sat at 5, so I would have to be out of there by 3PM the Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Tim Newcomb" , , Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:25:49 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Not sure about the Hofstra show, but here's a calendar. http://www.beckett.com/news/calendar.asp -------------- Original message -------------- Can anyone supply the details on this show? For that matter, does anyone know of a good show calendar on the web? I used to have one in my favorites but it got zapped at some point. ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Ok boys, who's going? Its being billed as "the first Long Island national" whatever that means (actually it means most Mets cards will be way overpriced). I know Dave and Kevin are thinking about going. Who else is in? I have a game out east Sat at 5, so I would have to be out of there by 3PM the latest. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "George Vrechek" , "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:12:12 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item Thanks George, Nice to just see one - I was convinced that the Fred Stanley Yellow Letter variation did not exist, I have never seen one until today. I could have spent the grand on some other items though, that's just a bit obsessive don't ya think!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- Recent tem number: 5126692980 on ebay was a 1980 #387 of Fred Stanley name in yellow. It is listed as a $2.50 card in guides. I've never seen the card and finally took it off my want list. Bidding started at $2.50. I think I went all the way up to $7.50 for the card. It just sold for $1,044. A yellow letter 537 Wathan from 1980 went for something like $250, only about $240 over my bid. Egads! George Vrechek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "OBC RAMBLINGS" Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:42:43 -0500 From: "Suzanne Freegard Schoenrock" Subject: Pink wishes I guess the bundle is out of the bag, so to speak. Bob and I are expectinga baby. Some of you may recall that I had a series of surgeries these last few years and we were led to believe that having another baby was impossible...So we are counting this as a major blessing...girl or boy; a true blessing. Many of you know that I have 5 boys already so please keep PINK thoughts as we are hoping this miracle baby will be a girl...Need to start looking for those female baseball player cards just in case! Thank you for the congrats I got in chat the other night, it means a lot too Best regards, ================= To: "OBC RAMBLINGS" Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:42:43 -0500 From: "Suzanne Freegard Schoenrock" Subject: Pink wishes I guess the bundle is out of the bag, so to speak. Bob and I are expectinga baby. Some of you may recall that I had a series of surgeries these last few years and we were led to believe that having another baby was impossible...So we are counting this as a major blessing...girl or boy; a true blessing. Many of you know that I have 5 boys already so please keep PINK thoughts as we are hoping this miracle baby will be a girl...Need to start looking for those female baseball player cards just in case! Thank you for the congrats I got in chat the other night, it means a lot too Best regards, ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:12:44 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Now I know how you got your handle "Smartalecx" lol... ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hofstra show Sat? Date: 10/4/2004 10:31:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: Smartalecx To: ChicoD1, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Did they find Jimmy Hofstra? I thought he was in the Meadowlands endzone? gm ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:21:10 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Ichiro * observation For those of you keeping track of such things - do you suppose there might be both a * and ** next to Ichiro's record?? (For those of you that miss the reference - I'm referring to the 73 & 74 team checklist cards, which have a * and ** variation. And by the way, I discovered during the chat on Sunday the 73 & 74 FOOTBALL team checklists suffer the same affliction!) ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:38:30 -0700 (PDT) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * observation --- directorth@aol.com wrote: > For those of you keeping track of such things - do > you suppose there might be > both a * and ** next to Ichiro's record?? It will if OBCers are into collecting them... I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 23:17:17 EDT To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * observation Date: 10/4/2004 9:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:21:10 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ichiro * observation ================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 00:38:07 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: ICHIRO To quote a "famous" OBCer... "a tip o' the cap" to Ichiro...the man swings at EVERYTHING and hits EVERYTHING.!!! Sure, the game has changed in many ways and I think...my opinion...in this day and age...that it's much tougher to get 260 hits than 60 home runs!!! Me and Brian had a discussion last week about an "Ichiro Shift". Brian suggested bringing in an outfielder to play like a softball "rover" but I said anything thru the infield could turn into an "inside the Here's the plan....if there's nobody on...ya don't really need a catcher do ya???!!! The homeplate Ump might not like it but....he ain't playin'!!! Stick the catcher in the infield somewhere!!!! Just a thought ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 16:22:42 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: EBAY Negative checker Here's a neet little tool that allows you to see all negative feedback for particular Ebayer. http://www.toolhaus.org ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 14:09:11 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Dis 'n Dat (Including the Savary Island Saga) Just back from another trip to Blood Island today. I believe I made six trips in a row without a disaster , then I rolled a lucky 7. More on that after baseball. Against all odds, my Angels are heading into the playoffs. Not an ounce of quit in that team. As long as the winner of the Boston/Anaheim series takes the AL, I'll be happy. Heckuva run for the Halos in the last week of the season. Catching up on emails, noted with some interest that a lot more frauds are surfacing on Evilbay. This gig I am working now, recovering stolen computers, has been very revealing in this area. Last week, I engineered two recoveries of stolen laptops. Both had been stolen from a University in Pennsylvania. One was recovered in Ft. Lauderdale, the other in Ohio. Both had been Evilbay purchases. Side note here: Evilbay has zero interest in cooperating with law enforcement until they are served with a subpoena and have to legally comply. They don't see a moral issue at all, it seems listing fees and their cut of the selling price over-rides everything. As far as BB cards go, of course the majority are not identifiable for court purposes, unless of course they have a PSA type serial number, and haven't been tampered with. Evilbay is rapidly turning into a storefront for the movement of stolen property, and I can't stress this enough- BUYER BEWARE. The poor guys who thought they got great deals on those computers are now out all that money they paid, and have minimal chance of getting their money back. Both of the above mentioned are cooperating with police to try to identify the bad guy, but realistically, they have a better chance of being struck by lightning than getting their money back. On to Savary..I should have known the luck was running the other direction, as when I was up there two weeks ago, two of my friends died suddenly while I was away, both around 52. Too young. This time, I rolled lucky 7, crocked my back the day before I was supposed to head up. Got an early morning appt. with the chiro, and headed for the ferry which was obviously going to take me to Paradise. Got about half way to the ferry, got a flat tire. Got out to fix it, crocked my back again. Missed the ferry as a result of the delay, sat 2 hours for the next one. The point of this trip was to install my solar power system. Made it to the island, found the electrician I had booked was sick, and he didn't show up for 3 days. So much for my idea of following him around installing insulation once his wiring was finished. Three days of sitting there spinning my wheels, waiting for him to get off his deathbed. He finally showed on day 4, and it is just a source of wonder to go into the cabin and flip a switch and have a light come on. I love mod cons. Running water next? Got about a third of the insulation done, in spite of the fact that I couldn't bend, and was in agony for hours after. Then my bride called. (Okay, I have sold out to civilization, I now have a cel phone.) Another friend of mine had died suddenly while on vacation in Texas, age 57. If it's true things happen in 3's, I hope that's about it. Hippie Jim came over a couple of days ago, complaining that a family of otters had moved in under his house. Boy do those critters stink. So do the deposits they leave behind. Seems they have been terrorizing his place, destroying everything in sight. Savary Island isn't exactly the kind of place that you can just dial up the SPCA and they will pop over to remove that troublesome skunk, raccoon, etc. And realizing that Hippie Jim is a bit of a "free spirit" I shouldn't have been surprised by what happened I guess. Yesterday morning, I was into my second cup of coffee at around 7:00, and Jim was likely into his third beer, when the silence was shattered by a gunshot, and one of the three otters ceased to be a problem. (Making mental note here- don't tick off Hippy Jim.) Jim pretty much took the rest of the day off, since he hadn't exerted himself that much in a long long time. Well, the Sox are up on the Halos 3-0 in the 4th, time to return you to your regularly scheduled programming. ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:11:17 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Yahoo groups help Recently, I wasn't receiving any mail from the OBC server, so I went to Yahoogroups and it I was getting bounced. I followed their instructions, but now I'm getting everything twice. Anyone out there know how to rectify this? ================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:14:10 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item In a message dated 10/4/04 12:16:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: > Nice to just see one - I was convinced that the Fred Stanley Yellow Letter > variation did not exist, I have never seen one until today. I could have > spent the grand on some other items though, that's just a bit obsessive don't ya > think!!! > REGARDS ----------------- MARK > >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> Recent tem number: 5126692980 on ebay was a 1980 #387 of Fred Stanley name >> in yellow. It is listed as a $2.50 card in guides. I've never seen the card >> and finally took it off my want list. Bidding started at $2.50. I think I >> went all the way up to $7.50 for the card. It just sold for $1,044. A yellow >> letter 537 Wathan from 1980 went for something like $250, only about $240 >> over my bid. Egads! Did someone say OBSESSIVE. OBC= Obsessive Bordering on Compulsive ================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:23:54 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Saturday Show October 9th-Hofstra University-Hempstead, Long Island Well gang, Long Island's biggest show in a dozen years kicks off Saturday at 10 AM. It seems most if not all attending OBC'ers will be there on Saturday, althought there are also Sunday hours. 150 dealers will be there if you can believe the ads, which is a good turnout for this neck of the woods. I'll be there between 10 and 11 AM and hope to be able to stay until 4 o'clock or so. See you there hopefully. ================= Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 02:03:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Thinning wantlist expanded again With some recent hits knocking off a few sets, my wantlist has "shrunk" to less than 1000 active sets that I am working on. Mike W. assisted in beefing up the wantlist by playing intermediary for a starter set of 1962 Stat Back Exhibit cards. 21 of 32, including almost all of the top stars. Wantlist is as follows: 1962 Stat Back Exhibits: Aparicio Banks Berra Boyer Burdette Colavito Ford Kaline Malzone Moon Musial The Exhibits are the 3rd leg of "areas" of collecting I have tried to expand to in the last year or so. The others being TCMA cards and 1930s matchbooks. Many would say that all other areas of collecting I already have had on my lists. Other than the 1977 BB Great HOF Exhibits, this is my first major foray into the Exhibit cards. If anyone has any suggestions for other areas for me to expand into, please LMK. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:06:12 EDT To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Show October 9th-Hofstra University-Hempstead, L... Date: 10/5/2004 9:24:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:23:54 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Show October 9th-Hofstra ================= To: "ramblings" , Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:15:37 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yahoo groups help Todd -- Try turning off the "stereo" option... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Knowles To: ramblings Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:11 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Yahoo groups help Recently, I wasn't receiving any mail from the OBC server, so I went to Yahoogroups and it I was getting bounced. I followed their instructions, but now I'm getting everything twice. Anyone out there know how to rectify this? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:59:44 -0700 (PDT) To: ChicoD1@aol.com, DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Show October 9th-Hofstra University-Hempstead, L... Date: 10/5/2004 9:24:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:23:54 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Show October 9th-Hofstra University-Hempstead, Long Island ================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:19:59 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Calvert/Cook/Leroux/Silva/Wiehe Will the 5 guys above send me an email ASAP? I'm not sure I have your corrrect email addy & I need to finalize details on your 2004 OBC PTC (Personal Trading Card) & get a pic of you by 10-14. If sending a pic by email, save at 300 DPI. It's a 29 card 4 color set at the moment (deadline for pics 10-14). Anyone here can still get in as long as you can get me a pic by 10-14 & payment by 10-28-04! The total cost for 100 cards is $43 and 200 cards=$54. You have 2 choices for card style on the front, 55 Bowman or 65 Topps. Both will be 2.5" by 3.5" in size on C1S 10 pt stock. I don't expect any green tint variations, unbuttoned trousers or reversed negatives to be in the set :-) LMK ASAP at: KeithSummers@webtv.net if interested, as we have a seperate yahoogroup to handle the emails & I'll add you to the group. Or do it yourself here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC_2004_PTC But remember, Thursday 10-14 is the FINAL pic deadline as we took a vote on this a few days ago. If we wait any longer it'll be a 2005 set . Thanks :-) ================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:30:32 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-2004-PTC That's the correct link above, not the 1st one I sent. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 8:20:08 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Avert your eyes!!! UV!!!! Please forgive this momentary UV related intrusion. Since I don’t actively collect newer stuff (apart from Tigers when I can get them), I’m not particularly of a mind to join the UV List, so I ask for your indulgence on this occasion. While leafing through some of my Tigers binders, I noticed a number of holes that I’d like to fill. The holes are mainly in the 1989-1993 Upper Deck, 1991-1997 Fleer Ultra, and 1996 & 1997 Fleer sets. Just Tigers, all commons. If any of you UV collectors out there think you might be able to help me out, please get in touch with me off-list for more details. Once again, my sincere apologies for this intrusion. I now return you to your normal vintage programming. Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:44:43 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item Obsessive -yes but not stupid.. Come on now - over a grand for the `80 Yellow letter variation. Now I know what PT Barnum was taking about. ;-) REGARDS ------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- In a message dated 10/4/04 12:16:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: Nice to just see one - I was convinced that the Fred Stanley Yellow Letter variation did not exist, I have never seen one until today. I could have spent the grand on some other items though, that's just a bit obsessive don't ya think!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- Recent tem number: 5126692980 on ebay was a 1980 #387 of Fred Stanley name in yellow. It is listed as a $2.50 card in guides. I've never seen the card and finally took it off my want list. Bidding started at $2.50. I think I went all the way up to $7.50 for the card. It just sold for $1,044. A yellow letter 537 Wathan from 1980 went for something like $250, only about $240 over my bid. Egads! Did someone say OBSESSIVE. OBC= Obsessive Bordering on Compulsive ================= To: Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:34:05 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item At first I thought that this might be a seller induced inflated price. It doesn't look like it. Merkle93 bought both cards and Baseballmemorabilianut finished second. Both seem to be regular buyers of cards and are not dealers. They have 100% positive responses. I think the seller was very pleasantly surprised, although he thought the Wathan card would go for more as described in the listing below: At least we have a clue that the cards exist. Seems funny though someone would be opening 9 vendor boxes nearly 24 years later. You'd think the boxes would be worth more at this point unopened. It is possible they were opened years ago. I think I'll ask the seller. george vrechek I have not seen this one advertised.It is quite rare,muchrarer than the Fred Stanley yellow variation.I found three of the Stanley yellow versions after opening 9 vending boxes.I found one of the Wathan variations.My feeling is that Topps fixed their error after printing only so many sheets of cards with that incorrect yellow print.Shipping is 1.25. ----- Original Message ----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com ; vrechek@ameritech.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation Collectors - Interesting item Obsessive -yes but not stupid.. Come on now - over a grand for the `80 Yellow letter variation. Now I know what PT Barnum was taking about. ;-) REGARDS ------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- In a message dated 10/4/04 12:16:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net Nice to just see one - I was convinced that the Fred Stanley Yellow Letter variation did not exist, I have never seen one until today. I could have spent the grand on some other items though, that's just a bit obsessivedon't ya think!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- Recent tem number: 5126692980 on ebay was a 1980 #387 of Fred Stanley name in yellow. It is listed as a $2.50 card in guides. I've never seen the card and finally took it off my want list. Bidding started at $2.50. I think I went all the way up to $7.50 for the card. It just sold for $1,044.A yellow letter 537 Wathan from 1980 went for something like $250, only about $240 over my bid. Egads! Did someone say OBSESSIVE. OBC Obsessive Bordering on Compulsive ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:03:52 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Stanley Variation - the rest of the story I asked the seller a few questions about the 1980 Stanley yellow letter that sold for $1,044. I noted that someone had erroneously entered a bid of $1,000 which was withdrawn. It looked like two people then outbid the erroneous bid. The seller responded as follows: "I found those yellow name variations in boxes bought on ebay in the last year from 9 different sellers.I was just lucky to find four of the yellow name Stanleys.......I didn't realize how rare they were.Don't know if you noticed that Keith olbermann of MSNBC won those two variation cards.He shockedme with what he paid.Have you ever seen a yellow Wathan before?I can't find it listed anywhere." ================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:31:05 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Saturday at Hofstra Ok boys, I should be at the show by 11 am. Catch me on my cell 516-238-8070 so we can coordinate a meeting of the OBC minds. I'll be the good looking one in full OBC garb ! Also, does anyone have the link to that Stanley card on Ebay talked about ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:44:22 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Red Sox Congrats to all you Sox guys out there..I thought the Angels might pull that one out, no such luck. You guys now have one more guy on the Sox On a side note, if you saw Game 1 of the Yanks/Twins, you may have heard Tim McCarver talking about Justin Marneau, who hails from my neck of the woods..well, about 5 miles away. According to Tim, where I live is real moose country. Gosh, I haven't seen one walking down the street here for a long long time. And apparently we all must live in igloos, since Tim said it was a balmy 62 degrees in New York, and poor old Justin never saw that kind of temperature up here. I don't know if someone set Tim up, or if he is just plain dumb, but I suspect the latter. May have taken too many foul tips off the ol' mask when he was catching Carlton's curve ball.. Go SOX! ================= Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 00:53:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: 3 on and 3 out, and then variation Q's In honor of the BB Playoffs, my wantlist had some changes due to Mark Talbot's fav dealer, Harold this week. The UV list lost 3 sets, as the 91 Cracker Jacks both 1st and 2nd series were picked up and a 1986 Jiffy Pop set also gets dropped off. Not too worry, as the wantlist did not "dwindle" as 3 more sets were added, all retro, 2 of which are vintage issues. The new entries: 1979 Baseball Favorites (1953 Bowman continuation set), 1980 TCMA (1914 Miracle Braves) and the 1982 TCMA (1952 Bowman continuation I was able to pick up some other goodies at the show, including a 1943 MP & Co. Pee Wee Reese, a pair of 1936 Goudey's, a 1939 Playball Gehringer (necklace version, aka hole punch in corner), a 1968 America Oil of Boros, and other TCMA cards. I never paid attention before that the 1936 Goudey's come with different back combinations. My big SCD does mention this in the write-up. As I close in on this set (have 12 of 25) I will need a aster checklsit to go after the variations. A set that nothing in my 2001 Big SCD is mentioned about si the 1975 TCMA (1946 Red Sox) set. This set was already on my list missing the "team card". I picked up an additional small stack of these. I was double checking the condition against the ones I had when inoticed they are all variations. The color ink for the names on the front are different and the ink on the back as well. Both quite distinct. Great, TCMA variations. Will my list ever shrink??? Does anyone have some info to share about this or any other TCMA Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 01:00:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT show gathering Just a reminder that there are some local card shows this weekend. I think a few guys will be attending the Sunday Redford Elks show (corner of I-96 and Inkster). I believe Mike Sandles will be there and Harold said he "might" set up as well. If for some reason I am not there, and Harold is, he has a card of Bill McCool that I mistakenly left behind Wednesday. It costs $1 and is a 1966? Kahn's. At the time, I did not know what it was, since the top tab was removed. Please grab it for me. Another type card. After the Elks show, I may swing by the mall show and/or Comic's Archives. Top the day off with watching FB and getting cheap appetizers at East Side Mario's. Please LMK if you plan on attending. I should have my cell with me (248) 709-2235. Mike Rich ================= To: , "Grant Rainsley" Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:09:51 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox On behalf of Red Sox nation THANKS. I hope the Sox make the W/S. I also hope McCarver doesn't - he's just plain GO SOX ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 08, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox Congrats to all you Sox guys out there..I thought the Angels might pull that one out, no such luck. You guys now have one more guy on the Sox bandwagon... On a side note, if you saw Game 1 of the Yanks/Twins, you may have heard Tim McCarver talking about Justin Marneau, who hails from my neck of the woods..well, about 5 miles away. According to Tim, where I live is real moose country. Gosh, I haven't seen one walking down the street here for a longlong time. And apparently we all must live in igloos, since Tim said it was a balmy 62 degrees in New York, and poor old Justin never saw that kind of temperature up here. I don't know if someone set Tim up, or if he is justplain dumb, but I suspect the latter. May have taken too many foul tips off the ol' mask when he was catching Carlton's curve ball.. Go SOX! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:16:15 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: re red sox his brain shrank when sander kept pouring water over it wonder why he didnt pick on koskie also he too is a famous canuck ================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 11:28:23 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Robert Fitts Subject: posting wantlist Now that I'm back collecting US cards, I've tried to post an updated want list but cannot. I no longer know my user name or password. Can somebody help me? rob fitts ================= Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:13:07 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Subject: Redford Show Three Sets Completed Hi OBC, Attended the Redford show today with Mike Rich and Mark Talbot. Three sets were completed including the 1970 Topps Super with the Boog Powell card, the 1969 Topps football stamp albums with the Bengals album, and a 1967 Dexter Press Tigers team set with Joe Sparma. Mike Rich bought a most of the Dexter Press Tigers set to get a Willie Horton to finish his set. I then purchased the set from Mike, minus the Horton to finish and upgrade my set. I also got a 1956 Redskins Team Card, the 1970 Topps Boog Powell, a 1966-67 Hockey Checklist card, a nice stack of about 35-40 pictures (originally sold at the stadium) of Tigers from the late 60's and early 70's, about 265 1969 Milton Bradley cards, and a bunch of other various/interesting cards. Mike, I, and two of Mike's buddies met for lunch after the show and watched the Lions third win of the season. A good day, some great cards, and good company. Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:21:09 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: To the FOOT guys.... There are 5 lots of 1968 Tiger caricature prints by Livonia-based artist Tasco up on ebay at the moment. I remember watching this guy at work in Westland Shopping Mall when I was a kid. He had a pretty good sized stall in the main concourse of the mall, selling prints of Detroit-based sports personalities, and other stars of the day. I had a huge door-sized Tasco of Gordie Howe up on my bedroom wall! Each lot contains 3 prints. I’ve got them all (except the Kaline) so I’m not going to bid. Search for Tiger Tasco. Seller name is deeteejay. Nice fun items! ================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:33:29 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Caminiti/Reeves/Dangerfield Thanks goes to Ken Goto who sends me 1 of each of Jim Nash, Ollie Brown & Champ Summers! Thanks then goes to Mark Talbot for a 70 of Ollie & Nash! We've lost at least 3 well known celebs in 7 days! Christopher Reeves (Superman), Rodney Dangerfield (Caddy Shack) & now Ken Caminiti :-( Caminiti was only 41 (same as me!). I wonder if the autopsy report will tell if it was a heart attack due to extensive steroid use? Sad week continues in GA as the Braves, Falcons & GA Bulldogs all lost ================= To: "obc thanks" , Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:46:24 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: test... ================= Date: 13 Oct 2004 22:46:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Prewar Cards for Trade I have the following prewar cards for trade. I'm looking for prewar in return. I'm cash short right now so Ebay activity is limited. Let me know if you are interested. 1933 Canadian Goudey (French and English backs): 39 50 57 70 77 79 92 1934 Canadian Goudey: 5 6 7 9 13 14 17(Lindstrom) 18(Rice) 20(2) 24(Jackson) 27 30 33 34 38 43 48(Ruffing) 53(Terry) 78(Hafey) 81 84(Appling) 85 87 88 89 90 93 94 95 96 1934-36 Batter Up: 41(2) 86(Gomez) 107 139 153(Grove) 174 1936 Goudey Wide Pen: R. Ferrell, Lary, Owen, Reis, Whitehead 1938 Goudey: 245 1941 Goudey: 17 26 1943 MP&Co: Feller 1949 MP&Co: 101 Williams 1933 Goudey Indian Gum: 28 43 45 1948 Leaf Boxing: 71 Prewar Wantlist: 1951 Topps Connie Mack's All Stars (any condition): Alexander, Gehrig, Mack, Wagner (need 4) 1941 Double Play - R330 (intact but otherwise, any condition) 1-2 5-6 7-8 9-10 11-12 13-14 15-16 17-18 19-20 21-22 23-24 29-30 31-32 39-40 45-46 49-50 51-52 53-54 55-56 57-58 59-60 61-62 63-64 65-66 77-78 79-80 81-82 83-84 85-86 89-90 91-92 93-94 95-96 99-100 101-102 103-104 105-106 107-108 109-110 111-112 113-114 115-116 117-118 119-120 125-126 127-128 129-130 131-132 133-134 135-136 137-138 139-140 141-142 143-144 145-146 147-148 149-150 (need 56) 1941 Goudey - R324 (any condition): 3(Chiozza) 23(Young) 27 (Crouch) 32(Coffman) (need 4) 1938 Dixie Lids (any condition) Feller and Moses (need 2) 1938 Goudey - R323 (any condition): 250(DiMaggio) 253(Greenberg) 274(DiMaggio) 277(Greenberg) (need 4) 1937 O-Pee-Chee "Batter Up" - V300 (any condition) 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 138 139 140 (need 38) 1936 National Chicle Rabbit Maranville "How To" folders (any condition): 1 2 3 6 8 11 12 15 17 19 (need 10) 1936 R312 Pastels (any condition): Allen, Altrock/Schact, Benjima/Hemsley, Blanton, Bolton/Whitehill, Bordagoray/French, Brown, Camilli, Cavaretta/Demaree, Cavaretta/Hack, Cochrane, Collins/Hack, Rip Collins, Cuyler, Cuyler/Speaker, Dimagio, Dressen, Fox/Goslin, Frey, Galan/Traynor, Gomez/Hoag, Greenberg, Grove/Mack, Haas/Kreevich, Harder, Hartnett/Cochrane, Hartnett/Warneke, Hornsby, Hornsby/Sothoren, Lombardi, Lopez, Martin, Mize, Parmelee, Rowe, Schott, Sullivan, Swift, Vaughn/Wagner, Waner/Waner, Weingamer (need 43) 1935 Goudey 4-in-1 - R321 (any condition): 7(Benge, Fitzsimmons, Koenig, Zachary) 8(Benton Cantwell, Rhem, Spohrer) 10(Bishop, Cissell, Cronin, Reynolds) 16(Brandt, Mcmanus, Maranville, Ruth) 17(Bridges, Cochrane,Gehringer, Rogell) 22(Carleton, Dean, Frisch, Orsatti) 27(Cuyler, English, Grimes, Klein) 28(Dickey, Lazzeri, Malone, Ruffing) 30(Fox, Greenberg, Rowe, Walker) 36(Lucas, Thevenow, Traynor, Wright) (need 10) 1934-36 Batter-Up - R318 (any condition): 6 14 16 25 26 27 31 33 35 36 37 38 45 50 57 64 69 73 76 79 82 83 85 87 88 89 91 94 95 96 102 104 105 106 108 109 110 111 112 117 119 121 123 124 125 129 131 133 136 137 138 140 141 145 146 147 148 149 151 152 157 158 159 161 164 165 167 169 171 172 173 179 180 181 183 184 185 188 189 190 191 (need 81) Canadian Goudey 1933 - V353 (any condition): 25(Waner) 29(Foxx) 31(Lazzeri) 62(Martin) 84(Berg) (need 5) 1933 George C. Miller - R300 (any condition): 1 2 4 5 6 7 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 17 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 30 31 32 (need 27) 1933 Sport Kings - R338 (any condition): 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 17 18 19 20 21 22 24 25 26 27 28 30 31 32 34 35 36 37 38 41 42 43 45 47 48 (need 33) Tatoo Orbit 1933 - R305 (any condition): Dean Grove Haines Harder Hornsby Levey Lombardi Mack (need 8) 1932 US Caramel - R328 (any condition): 1 3 6 7 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 22 23 26 32 (need 19) T-205 Gold Borders (any condition): Adkins, Archer, Austin, Bailey, Baker, Ball, Barger(partial B), Barry, Batch, Beck, Bell, Bescher, Birmingham, Blackburne, Bresnahan(mouth open), Bridwell, Brown, Cady, Carrigan, Chance, Chase(both ears,short border), Cicotte, Cobb, Collins(closed), Corridon, Crandall(crossed, Crandall(uncrossed), Criger, Dahlen, Daubert, Devlin, Devore, Dickson, Donohue, Dougherty(red Sox, Dougherty(white sox), Doyle, Duffy, Dunn, Egan, Engle, Evans, Ewing, Ferguson, Fisher, Fletcher, Flynn, Ford(black cap), Ford(white cap), Frick, Fromme, Gardner, Gibson, Goode, Graham(rustlers), Graham(cubs), Grant, Gray(no stats), Gray(stats), Griffith, Harmon(both ears), Harmon(one ear), Hemphill, Hoblitzell(no stats), Hoblitzel(no Cin.), Hoblitzell(No Cin.), Huggins, Hummel, Jacklitsch, Johnson, D. Jones, T. Jones, Joss, Karger, Killian, Kleinow, Knight, Kroh, Laporte, Lang, A. Latham(A on back), A. Latham(W.A.on back), Leach, Lee, Leever, A. Leifield, Lennox, Lush, Maddox, Magee, Marquard, McAllister, McBride, McConnell, McLean, Merkle, Merritt, Mitchell, Moran(stray line), Moran(no line), Moriarty, Mullin, Nee, Oldring, O'Leary, Olmstead, Parent, Paskert, Payne, Pfeister, Phelps, Phillipe, Quinn, Raymond, Reulbach, Richie, Rowan, Rucker, Scanlan, Schaefer, Schlei, Schmidt, Scott, Sharpe, Shean(rustlers), Shean(cubs), Simmons, Snodgrass, Speaker, Stahl, Steinfeldt, Stovall, Street, Suggs, Summers, Sweeney, Tannehill, Titus, Wagner, Wallace(w/cap), Wallace(wo/cap, one line), Wallace(wo/cap, two lines), Walsh, Wheat, White, White, Wilhelm, Willett, Wiltse(right ear shows), Wolter, Young (need 153) ================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:12:37 EDT To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: a new set and a request Hello fellow cardboardians, I hope that you are all well and that you have been prosperous in your I am abandoning the pursuit of filling some older prewar sets. They are too ambitious for me right now. I am still going to keep trying to fill T206, E120 and exhibits. All else goes away. Instead I am going to start a "Type Set" collection. Many of you have already done this and it seems like a great set to collect. So, I am looking for any odd issues. I am trying to keep anything pre war G or better and I have at least 1 card from 1952 and up. If you have anything old and odd I would love some help. Here is what I have so far: T206, T205, E90-1, T212, W572, W515, 1933-1934-1938 Goudey, 1939-1940-1941 Play Ball, 1949-1950-1951-1952-1953(b+w and c) Bowman, 1952 Topps and up. ANYTHING else is greatly appreciated and of course I will find good trade material. Thanks for looking. Bob Bannon www.biggcards.com ================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:31:02 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1253 Hi all, I am heading out to Vegas on Sunday and I remember a card store out there called Smokeys, I remember a member telling me it was moved away from the strip. I will have a car this trip and like to go see Smokey so if anyone can give me directions from the Strip I will be appreciated. ================= To: "Bob Donaldson" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:51:36 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Red Sox on Sunday I expect to have an extra ticket for Sunday's ALCS game between Boston and NY. The seat is in the bleachers and you will be sitting with me. I'll know for sure tonight, so if you are interested LMK and I'll contact you tonight or Sat AM. p.s. If more than 1 person expresses interest I'll put the names in a hat and do a drawing! ================= Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:05:43 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Baseball/Football Availables Let me know your address and what you need and I'll get them out...Thanks, Dan A 1953 Topps Baseball 203 1960 Topps Baseball 22,40,80 1964 Topps Baseball 39,42,68,122,129,212,362 1967 Topps Baseball 1970 Topps Baseball 1971 Topps Baseball 200 1972 Topps Baseball 8 1973 Topps Baseball 25 1974 Topps Baseball 394 1974 traded Baseball 165t,270t,319t,390t 1979 Topps Baseball 1978 Topps Football 1979 Topps Football 483,526 Do you Yahoo!? vote.yahoo.com - Register online to vote today! ================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:13:45 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: help identifying a card please Hi Cardboardians, I hope that you are well and that baseball resumes today. I have a card that I cannot identify. The player is Larry Jansen of the NY Giants. The back is very simple and simply says " Hit Parade of Champions" at the top and player stats at the bottom. Any help? Thanks, Bob Bannon ================= Date: 16 Oct 2004 13:13:55 -0000 To: biggies@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help identifying a card please You've got a 1952 Berk Ross card. On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:13:45 EDT, biggies@aol.com wrote : > Hi Cardboardians, > I hope that you are well and that baseball resumes today. > I have a card that I cannot identify. The player is Larry Jansen of the NY > Giants. The back is very simple and simply says " Hit Parade of Champions" > the top and player stats at the bottom. Any help? > Thanks, Bob Bannon ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:16:49 PDT From: "eBay Member: illini90" Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item# 6122875325: CIGARETTE CARDS.Hill Sports 1934 (Baseball) OBCers -- I picked this up on the UK Ebay the other day for less than $10 since I thought it looked cool. Has anyone else ever seen or heard of this card? I know of at least three other pre-1935 cigarette cards from UK sets, so I've been keeping my eyes open. As a matter of fact, two of them are up for bid right now for about $30, one of George Sisler and a 1901 card of generic players that is particularly cool looking. I may up the bid, but feel free to do it yourself if interested...I'll send you a link if you like. Take Care, Geno Title of item: CIGARETTE CARDS.Hill Sports 1934 (Baseball) Seller: q_cards Starts: Oct-04-04 11:34:51 PDT Ends: Oct-11-04 11:34:51 PDT Price: Currently GBP 5.10 To view this item, go to: http://cgi1.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?RedirectEnter&partner=777701&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi%2Eebay%2Ecom%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI%2Edll%3FViewItem%26item%3D6122875325%26category%3D4120%26ssPageName%3DADME%3AB%3AEF%3AUS%3A1 Item Description: Single scarce card issued By R.Hill in 1934 showing the game of baseball.No information is given regarding the players or venue.Excellent condition. . Powered by eBay Turbo Lister Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 11:56:40 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: 1966 and 1967 availables My apologies if you get this multiple times. I am having e-mail miseries. 38 56 58 69 170 311 19 22 39 95 98 190 212 252 323 444 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:02:41 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: 55 Doubleheaders Who can tell me what Tigers were in this set besides Kaline & Ray Boone? I think J.W. Porter, Ray Herbert, Frank House & Ferris Fain! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:43:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 10,001 messages! / Can you hear me now? / 11th inning EEK's message on the 55 Double Headers was #10,000 since we switched to the current yahoogroup name! We rarely go a day without at least one message on OBC but none were posted Sunday 17th or Monday the 18th as of 9:28PM EDT, so I figured I'd try one. Where is everyone? Testing! Testing! Red Sox & Skankees tied at 4 going to the 11th! I was hoping Manny would hit one over the monster to win the game back in the 9th but he hit into a DP :-( ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:01:23 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: For the hockey collectors...... I think I may have highlighted this a while ago, but if I did it never hurts to remind people! A terrific tool for hockey collectors is the Internet Hockey database (http://www.hockeydb.com/). Not only does the database feature stats for almost EVERY league possible, it also has a "Trading Card Archive" featuring checklists of loads of sets. You can also do a card search by player. A fantastic website! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:42:48 -0400 To: Glenn From: Squirrel Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For the hockey collectors...... http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php3?pid=2441 my wife works with him at his new buisness On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:01:23 +0000, Glenn wrote: > I think I may have highlighted this a while ago, but if I did it never hurts > to remind people! > A terrific tool for hockey collectors is the Internet Hockey database > (http://www.hockeydb.com/). Not only does the database feature stats for > almost EVERY league possible, it also has a "Trading Card Archive" featuring > checklists of loads of sets. You can also do a card search by player. > A fantastic website! > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > ________________________________ > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:42:01 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Play-offs Clemens vesus the Sox??? I wish!!!!!!!! That would mean the Sox....uhhh...4 straight over the Yanks, just to get there.......I wish!!!!!!! I think that would be me season right there!!! A "gutsy" performance from Curt Schilling...a tip o' the cap Bama??? Mr. Backe is quite the story....this guy looks great!!! And Carlos is certainly filling out his free agency resume!!! It's been super!!!...kinda says alot for the "wild card scenerio" doesn't it!!! Only if Gary Bettman would catch on!!!!.....I'm gonna miss "the pucks"....and it $^#&'s...great game, hockey!! Sorry for the expletive!!! ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:38:21 EDT To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Oh me of little faith... That's right. This year will be different. This time they won't do it again. I'm not talking about who's going to win the Red Sox/Yankees game. I've already seen this play. I know how it ends. When they were down two games and headed back to Fenway in this series, they needed to make a statement and they did in game 3. That statement however was, "I'm gonna lie down and let the Yanks walk all over us on their way to the World Series." The last three games were all window dressing and done for extra TV revenue. Most of the nation knew after game three that the Sox were never going to beat the Yanks in four straight to come back and win the pennant - and they're right. They're not going to do it this year. They're not going to build up my hopes and then rip out and stomp on my still beating heart and set fire to the shreds when they're done. The Red Sox are dead to me. Oh, I'm going to watch the game tonight - but more like some people watch NASCAR or a train wreck. You don't want to watch, but you have to look to see the fiery crash ending. The "Hindensox" in this script will probably bring a lead into the bottom of the ninth and some player who's been collecting dust on the bench all season will hit a three run homer to win it. Enrique Wilson is the most feared player in baseball right now, not ARod or Jeter. They're not the ones that are going to win this game. I already know how it's going to go... Just before someone hits, they'll put up a TV graphic that says, 'so and so hasn't hit a ball out of the infield in his last bazillion at bats' or something and within five pitches the ball will be sailing out of the park - or 'this guy has fielded consecutive errorless games since Abe Lincoln was president' and you just know that the next ball hit to him will bounce off his head or get thrown into the stands. I'd like to strangle the guy who puts up the graphics on TV. I'm putting money on the Yanks to win. I figure if I'm going to be miserable at least I'll have some money in my pocket to go out to some bar and drown my sorrows. They've done it again to all my friends, who are walking around here saying this is going to be the biggest comeback since Lazarus. It's not working with me this time. Normally, I'd have to put away the sharp objects and long pieces of rope before a game like this, but it's going to be different this time. I refuse to let HOPE rear it's ugly head this time. It's definitely going to be different... please God, let it be different this time... Ken M - former... yeah, right... Red Sox fan ================= To: , Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:53:15 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... Take faith in the fact that the teams are pretty evenly matched and what happened in 1918, 1949, 1986 etc. has NO bearing on what happens tonight. They've a 50 % chance. I feel a lot better than when I left Fenway after game GO SOX! ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; JGreco@us.imshealth.com Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 3:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... That's right. This year will be different. This time they won't do it again. I'm not talking about who's going to win the Red Sox/Yankees game. I've already seen this play. I know how it ends. When they were down two games and headed back to Fenway in this series, they needed to make a statementand they did in game 3. That statement however was, "I'm gonna lie down and let the Yanks walk all over us on their way to the World Series." The last three games were all window dressing and done for extra TV revenue. Most of the nation knew after game three that the Sox were never going to beat the Yanks in four straight to come back and win the pennant - and they're right. They're not going to do it this year. They're not going to build up myhopes and then rip out and stomp on my still beating heart and set fire tothe shreds when they're done. The Red Sox are dead to me. Oh, I'm going towatch the game tonight - but more like some people watch NASCAR or a trainwreck. You don't want to watch, but you have to look to see the fiery crash ending. The "Hindensox" in this script will probably bring a lead into the bottom of the ninth and some player who's been collecting dust on the bench all season will hit a three run homer to win it. Enrique Wilson is the most feared player in baseball right now, not ARod or Jeter. They're not theones that are going to win this game. I already know how it's going to go... Just before someone hits, they'll put up a TV graphic that says, 'so andso hasn't hit a ball out of the infield in his last bazillion at bats' or something and within five pitches the ball will be sailing out of the park - or 'this guy has fielded consecutive errorless games since Abe Lincoln was president' and you just know that the next ball hit to him will bounce off his head or get thrown into the stands. I'd like to strangle the guy who puts up the graphics on TV. I'm putting money on the Yanks to win. I figure if I'm going to be miserable at least I'll have some money in my pocket to go out to some bar anddrown my sorrows. They've done it again to all my friends, who are walkingaround here saying this is going to be the biggest comeback since Lazarus.It's not working with me this time. Normally, I'd have to put away the sharp objects and long pieces of rope before a game like this, but it's going to be different this time. I refuse to let HOPE rear it's ugly head this time. It's definitely going to be different... please God, let it be different this time... Ken M - former... yeah, right... Red Sox fan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:01:38 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Oh me of little faith... Loved Ken's email. Do even the Greek poets show such pathos? I think not. Using the scientific method, here are the "days I wore my Red Sox hat" results from games 1 through 6. - Wore hat: Sox go 1-3. - No hat: Sox go 2-0. Despite these damning findings, I wore the hat today. Hoo-ah! --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > Take faith in the fact that the teams are pretty evenly matched and what happened in 1918, 1949, > 1986 etc. has NO bearing on what happens tonight. > They've a 50 % chance. I feel a lot better than when I left Fenway after game 3! > GO SOX! Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ================= To: "'Matthew'" , Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:53 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Oh me of little faith... Put the damn hat in the closet or something Spike. Loved Ken's email. Do even the Greek poets show such pathos? I think Using the scientific method, here are the "days I wore my Red Sox hat" results from games 1 through 6. - Wore hat: Sox go 1-3. - No hat: Sox go 2-0. Despite these damning findings, I wore the hat today. Hoo-ah! --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > Take faith in the fact that the teams are pretty evenly matched and what happened in 1918, 1949, > 1986 etc. has NO bearing on what happens tonight. > They've a 50 % chance. I feel a lot better than when I left Fenway after game 3! > GO SOX! Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:21:17 EDT To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... In a message dated 10/20/2004 12:42:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: > The last three games were all window dressing and done for extra TV > revenue. We all know baseball is fixed, wrestling is real. Go Sox Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:32:55 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... Since I too am a horrible gambler (except for finishing at the final table in the money at a texas Hold "em tourney last weekend), I too bet against the Sox. I laid off the first three games, and after being down 0-3, I laid money on the Y____s for games 4,5 and 6. So I am 0 for 3 against my barber (who doubles as my bookie) and never happier. Hopefully my bad luck will continue one more game. I've had people calling me all day to check on my health (besides throwing up blood the past three nights, I am fine..don't worry), and saying that this year is different. They don't remember '78, '86, and last year like I do. Will it be different this year? Will I get some sleep soon? Does Arod really swat like a girl? We'll find out in a few hours! By the way, one of my buds (a Mets fan who grew up in Brooklyn) told me today the last time he saw the "swat the ball out of the glove with your hand" trick was when he was 9 years old playing stickball, and it was a legal move on the streets where he grew up (as was running up to the fielder catching a pop-up and yelling at him to scare him!). So maybe that's where Arod got it from. Dare I say...GO SOX. > That's right. This year will be different. This time they won't do it > again. I'm not talking about who's going to win the Red Sox/Yankees game. > I've already seen this play. I know how it ends. When they were down two > games and headed back to Fenway in this series, they needed to make a > statement and they did in game 3. That statement however was, "I'm gonna > lie down and let the Yanks walk all over us on their way to the World > Series." The last three games were all window dressing and done for extra > TV revenue. Most of the nation knew after game three that the Sox were > never going to beat the Yanks in four straight to come back and win the > pennant - and they're right. They're not going to do it this year. > They're not going to build up my hopes and then rip out and stomp on my > still beating heart and set fire to the shreds when they're done. The Red > Sox are dead to me. Oh, I'm going to watch the game tonight - but more > like some people watch NASCAR or a train wreck. You don't want to watch, > but you have to look to see the fiery crash ending. The "Hindensox" in > this script will probably bring a lead into the bottom of the ninth and > some player who's been collecting dust on the bench all season will hit a > three run homer to win it. Enrique Wilson is the most feared player in > baseball right now, not ARod or Jeter. They're not the ones that are > going to win this game. I already know how it's going to go... Just > before someone hits, they'll put up a TV graphic that says, 'so and so > hasn't hit a ball out of the infield in his last bazillion at bats' or > something and within five pitches the ball will be sailing out of the > park - or 'this guy has fielded consecutive errorless games since Abe > Lincoln was president' and you just know that the next ball hit to him > will bounce off his head or get thrown into the stands. I'd like to > strangle the guy who puts up the graphics on TV. > I'm putting money on the Yanks to win. I figure if I'm going to be > miserable at least I'll have some money in my pocket to go out to some bar > and drown my sorrows. They've done it again to all my friends, who are > walking around here saying this is going to be the biggest comeback since > Lazarus. It's not working with me this time. Normally, I'd have to put > away the sharp objects and long pieces of rope before a game like this, > but it's going to be different this time. I refuse to let HOPE rear it's > ugly head this time. It's definitely going to be different... please God, > let it be different this time... > Ken M - former... yeah, right... Red Sox fan ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:40:58 EDT To: CardClctor@aol.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... Go Phillies! Getting a start on next year early for once. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:51:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Subject: A tip of the OBC cap goes out to the Red Sox tonite. While I'm not a big Bosox fan, I am a lifelong Yankee hater (yes one of those runny-nosed Memphis kids who'd put Whitey Ford, Vic Raschi, Allie Reynolds, Yogi Berra and, of course, Mantle cards in his bike spokes). I am a lifelong Cardinal fan who hopes to see his team back in the WS against whomever. However, the whomever would better be filled by the Bosox. Imagine a team that has won more pennants and WS than God. Sickening!!! Now imagine rooting against them. Divine!!! So all you naboring nabobs of negativism, suck it up, turn on those tubes and keep the Pepto handy ( or the Jack Black,, whichever helps the most). Heart surgery is quite common these days so if yours gets ripped out, just put it back in with some duct tape. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:47:54 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A tip of the Just found out my Dad got two tickets to the game tonight and is taking my mom...don't they know who the baseball fan is??? At this point I don't even care who wins Quoting "Dr. John V Harrell" : > OBC cap goes out to the Red Sox tonite. While I'm not a big Bosox fan, > I am a lifelong Yankee hater (yes one of those runny-nosed Memphis kids > who'd put Whitey Ford, Vic Raschi, Allie Reynolds, Yogi Berra and, of > course, Mantle cards in his bike spokes). I am a lifelong Cardinal fan > who hopes to see his team back in the WS against whomever. However, the > whomever would better be filled by the Bosox. > Imagine a team that has won more pennants and WS than God. Sickening!!! > Now imagine rooting against them. Divine!!! So all you naboring > nabobs of negativism, suck it up, turn on those tubes and keep the > Pepto handy ( or the Jack Black,, whichever helps the most). Heart > surgery is quite common these days so if yours gets ripped out, just put > it back in with some duct tape. > Bama > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:08:02 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: available have 2 sets of 70 topps posters, minus clemente. lmk which you need kit okamuro ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:15:11 +0800 To: cardclctor@aol.com From: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... Spoken like a true Buckner non-forgiver :-) ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:52:12 -0600 (MDT) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: re: Oh me of little faith A Boston Red Sox fan, a Chicago Cubs fan and a NY Yankee fan were all in Saudi Arabia, sharing a smuggled crate of booze. All of a suddden Saudi police rushed in and arrested them. The mere possession of alcohol is a severe offense in Saudi Arabia, so for the terrible crime of actually being caught consuming the booze, they were sentenced to death. However after many months and with the help of very good lawyers, they were able successfully appeal their sentence down to life imprisonment. By a stroke of luck it was a Saudi national holiday the day their trial finished and the extremely benevolent Sheikh decided they could be released after receiving 20 lashes each with the whip. As they were preparing for their punishment the Sheikh suddenly said, "It's my wife's birthday today and she has asked me to allow each of you one wish before your whipping." The Cub fan was first in line, (he had drunk the least), so he thought about this for a while and then said, "Please tie a pillow to my back." This was done, but the pillow only lasted 10 lashes before the whip went through. The Cubs fan had to be carried away bleeding and crying with pain when the punishment was complete. The Yankee fan was next, (he almost finished an entire fifth by himself), and after watching the scene he requested that two pillows be fixed to his back. But even two pillows could only take 15 lashes before the whip went through sending the Yankee fan out crying like a little girl. The Red Sox fan was the last one up, (he had finished off the crate), but before he could say anything the Shiekh turned to him and said,"You support the greatest baseball team in the world, your supporters are the best and most loyal fans in the world. For this you may have two wishes. "Thanks, your most Royal Highness," the Red Sox fan replies. "In recognition of your kindness, my first wish is that you give me not 20 but 100 lashes." "Not only are you an honorable, handsome and powerful man, you are also very brave", the Sheikh says with an admiring look on his face. "If 100 lashes is what you desire then so be it." "And your second wish? What is it to be?" asked the Sheikh. (scroll down) "TIE THE YANKEE FAN TO MY BACK!!!" ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:58:11 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... After the game last night, I had a lot of the same feelings. Actually, I had an Aaron Boone flashback when Tony Clark was up in the bottom of the ninth. My first thought after he struck out was 'okay, another 24 hours until they break my heart again'. Then I had an epiphany of sorts. Why worry about things that haven't happened yet? The past does not rule the future, does it? esruc eht ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:51:51 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: WhoWins(tm) -- GREATEST BEST-OF-7 COMEBACK EVER!= NY Islanders ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:01:27 -0400 To: "keithsummers@webtv.net" From: Squirrel Subject: GO BOSOX! thats all....go BoSox, thats all I have :) LOL ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:18:31 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... My hope is that Wakefield will be guided by the spirit of Frank Lary for tonights game. Go Sox!!!!! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:42:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Originaleek@webtv.net, cardclctor@aol.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... It doesn't look like the spirit of Frank Lary was needed tonight. The ghost of Ruth didn't even bother to show up either. --- Originaleek@webtv.net wrote: > My hope is that Wakefield will be guided by the > spirit of Frank Lary for > tonights game. Go Sox!!!!! > We keep what we give away! > EEK Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:47:02 -0700 (PDT) To: "Dr. John V Harrell" , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A tip of the --- "Dr. John V Harrell" > OBC cap goes out to the Red Sox tonite. While I'm > not a big Bosox fan, > I am a lifelong Yankee hater (yes one of those > runny-nosed Memphis kids > who'd put Whitey Ford, Vic Raschi, Allie Reynolds, > Yogi Berra and, of > course, Mantle cards in his bike spokes). I am a > lifelong Cardinal fan > who hopes to see his team back in the WS against > whomever. However, the > whomever would better be filled by the Bosox. A rematch of the 1946 and 1967 series...I'm guessing you're hoping for the same result, too! (For those who need to consult their sources...the Redbirds won both series in 7 games). Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:01:12 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bdangelo@aol.com Subject: Congratulations Red Sox! Hi gang, To all you faithful Red Sox fans out there (and not those who just root against the Yankees because, well, just because, ha ha), a big congratulations for winning the ALCS. Now, please go win the World Series so we don't ever have to read about the curse ever again! Our headline in Thursday's Tampa Tribune reads: "How About Them Apples.'' How about that, indeed! ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:24:25 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Congrats to the Red Sox Nation. What a series! Can the WS be any better? If it's anything close to this one, we are in for another spectacular show. Now, will the Astros be part of it to make it a most improbable ending to the season? Lynn ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:35:57 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1257 In a message dated 10/20/04 6:54:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > I'd like to strangle the guy > who puts up the graphics on TV. Ouch! Hey Ken, that guy who puts the graphics up is the director - so remind me to avoid you next time we get together! :-) Oh and by the way - WAY TO GO SOX!!!!! What an outstanding game, and what an even more outstanding comeback. Good to see the DY Evil Empire have the distinction of being the only team ever to blow a 3-0 lead in a best of 7 series. I wonder how ol' George's blood pressure is doing right about now? Tom H Your humble TV director ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:05:15 EDT To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... Date: 10/20/2004 3:43:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:38:21 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh me of little faith... ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:06:17 EDT To: grains@dccnet.com, obc_spike@yahoo.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Oh me of little faith... It's ok boys, I wore MY Red Sox hat today :-)! ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Oh me of little faith... Date: 10/20/2004 4:14:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: grains@dccnet.com (Grant Rainsley) To: obc_spike@yahoo.com ('Matthew'), OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Put the damn hat in the closet or something Spike. Loved Ken's email. Do even the Greek poets show such pathos? I think Using the scientific method, here are the "days I wore my Red Sox hat" results from games 1 through 6. - Wore hat: Sox go 1-3. - No hat: Sox go 2-0. Despite these damning findings, I wore the hat today. Hoo-ah! --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > Take faith in the fact that the teams are pretty evenly matched and what happened in 1918, 1949, > 1986 etc. has NO bearing on what happens tonight. > They've a 50 % chance. I feel a lot better than when I left Fenway after game 3! > GO SOX! Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (rly-xb01.mail.aol.com [172.20.64.133]) by air-xb01.mail.aol.com (v101_r1.6) with ESMTP id MAILINXB11-8b4176c739133; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:14:55 -0400 Received: from n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com (n17a.bulk.scd.yahoo.com [66.94.237.46]) by rly-xb01.mx.aol.com (v101_r1.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB19-8b4176c739133; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:14:49 -0400 Received: from [66.218.69.1] by n17.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:10:35 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.31] by mailer1.bulk.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Oct 2004 20:10:35 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-email X-Sender: grains@dccnet.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 5872 invoked from network); 20 Oct 2004 20:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Oct 2004 20:10:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yoda.dccnet.com) (24.207.1.135) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Oct 2004 20:10:34 -0000 Received: from UPSTAIRS (unverified [24.207.66.159]) by dccnet.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 5.3.6) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:48 -0700 To: "'Matthew'" , Message-ID: <000001c4b6e0$c348e380$bb00a8c0@UPSTAIRS> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20041020200138.83116.qmail@web21203.mail.yahoo.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 24.207.1.135 From: "Grant Rainsley" X-Yahoo-Profile: gr1087 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 13:09:53 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Oh me of little faith... X-AOL-IP: 66.94.237.46 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:0:0: X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 1 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 01:22:47 EDT To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WhoWins(tm) -- GREATEST BEST-OF-7 COMEBACK EVER!= NY Isla... Date: 10/20/2004 7:52:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:51:51 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] WhoWins(tm) -- GREATEST BEST-OF-7 COMEBACK EVER!= NY ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 03:37:24 -0700 (PDT) To: bdangelo@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congratulations Red Sox! Being one of the better-known Yankees fans of OBC, I guess now is as good a time as any to reply... Before the season, I told Steve R. while visiting him that I expected the Yankees to finish third and that the Bosox should go to the Series. I wasn't certain if they'd win, however. While not entirely right, I'm not surprised that they won the pennant. My biggest concern then was that the Yanks' pitching staff might not get them to the postseason. They had lost Clemens (which was expected), Pettite and Wells. In return, they picked up somedecent but not overpowering youngsters and Kevin Brown, who wasn't much of a replacement for any of the three that left. Pettite ended up being injured, but Clemens or Wells would have helped out nicely this season. That said, I don't think anybody reading this expected this result after the 19-8 score of game 3. Whne the Yanks led early in game 4, you could just hear Tim McCarver and Jack Buck announcing as if the end of the series was near...they even mentioned at one point when Matsui came to the plate that he was "adding to his MVP resume" or something to that effect. Then, the Sox showed up to play. Everything that went wrong before game 4 went wrong for the Yankees. I'm not about to make excuses for the Bombers...they had 4 chances to win and didn't do it. When the final out of the ALCS was recorded, the team that wanted the title more was the one that won it. The Red Sox deserve all the due props. As a fan of the Yankees, I wasn't really proud to see my fellow fans behaving as they did after the Rodriguez "slapped ball" call. on the TV replay, it looked obvious that he had interfered but even the ump five feet away didn't see what happened. Perhaps the fans were frustrated when they began throwing balls and trash on the field, but I think that just made the Sox more resolute to show up their hated rivals...in their own house, no less. After three nights of heartbreak for me, I had to turn off the TV in the 5th inning last night. I realized the Yankees weren't going to pull it off and just figured that I'd get a good night's sleep for once. As a fan, I expect the team to show up and play. That wasn't happening last night, so I went to bed certain that I'd be reading all about the biggest comeback in baseball history this morning. Now, I just need to watch tonight's game and find out who I'll be rooting for to win this year's Series...while it would be nice to see Clemens pitching in Fenway again and Beltran can probably take a few more balls over the Green Monster, I think the Cardinals would be a harder team for the Sox to beat. Congrats to the Sox fans out there...and I do appreciate the fact that none of you sent me any emails to rub the last four games in my face. Take care, PS: We know that Steinbrenner will likely go after better pitching in the offseason. How much money is he going to offer Pedro? And if he comes to the Yankees, I'll bet that the "Who's Your Daddy?" comments will be forgotten in 5 seconds. --- bdangelo@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, > To all you faithful Red Sox fans out there (and > not those who just root against the Yankees because, > well, just because, ha ha), a big congratulations > for winning the ALCS. Now, please go win the World > Series so we don't ever have to read about the curse > ever again! > Our headline in Thursday's Tampa Tribune reads: > "How About Them Apples.'' How about that, indeed! > Bob I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:39:38 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: GLOATING : BoSox I have followed current baseball little since the '94 strike, catching about about two games a year to see a BoSox game when they come out here and an SF-Oakland interleague game. Having survived spent many years watching the BoSox and enduring through the 86 World Series, however, I feel entitled to GLOAT with the BOSOX winning, and the YANKEES suffering from an all-time CHOKE !!! To friends still residing in Massachusettes, I sincerley hope that rioting has not leveled the entire state. -Ed Pike This was writen after game five: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/041019 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 11:24:19 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Vegas odds I don't know what the Vegas odds were after game three (Mike?) but my friend layed down $10 online and got 990 to 1 for the Sox to win the Series after going down 3-0...nice little return on his investment...he said it made up for the $1000 lost in previous seasons when the Sox lost :) ================= To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:31:34 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: available- 1978 fb fleer team action send me the #s of ones you need, found a stack kit okamuro ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:36:58 -0400 To: directorth@aol.com From: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1257 Actually, the guy I want to strangle is the one that came up with that stupid cartoon that explains to you what a curve ball is. Who do they think's watching these games, anyway..... ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com Date: Thursday, October 21, 2004 0:35 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1257 > In a message dated 10/20/04 6:54:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > > I'd like to strangle the guy > > who puts up the graphics on TV. > > > Ouch! Hey Ken, that guy who puts the graphics up is the director - > so remind > me to avoid you next time we get together! :-) > Oh and by the way - WAY TO GO SOX!!!!! What an outstanding game, > and what an > even more outstanding comeback. Good to see the DY Evil Empire > have the > distinction of being the only team ever to blow a 3-0 lead in a > best of 7 series. > I wonder how ol' George's blood pressure is doing right about now? > Tom H > Your humble TV director ================= To: Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:33:01 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: popular prediction if 'Stros win SOX vs ASTROS GAME 7 SCHILLING vs CLEMENS OCT. 31st CURSE OVER ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 23:18:51 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Squirrel Subject: Negro Lge Cards Does anyone have any Negro Lge cards? Any year, company, anything? I know they make some but never seem to find them. Anyone have any ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:04:45 EDT To: detroitsquirrel@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Negro Lge Cards there are some made in the 80's by Larry Fritsch. I bought them at the negro league museum in kansas city. scott, i'll try to remember so send u a few when i get home. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 05:09:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: short trip and OBC meet I went to San Francisco last weekend and got to see Trips and his BETTER half and also met up with Mark MacCrea. We met at a Italian place near Mark's House and got stuffed. Lots of great chat, Mark is one fascinating guy. We then went to Reno and donated, I caught a couple of the great games, and donated some more. Coming and going I missed seeing Dave Fallen with a phone mixup and with Brian Lindholme do to other things going on. Now Dave is on the DL and might miss spring training with the M's. They can use an old Right hander to go with Moyer. Heal quick, Dave, I will talk to Mike Hargrove. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 11:14:52 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Red Sox vs Cardinals Hey guys!!!! I'm real excited at the moment. Starting on Saturday night (as I'm sure most of you are aware) the Red Sox and Cardinals square off in a rematch of their great 1967 Series. I've just realised if history reparts itself, this time next year I'll be preparing to watch my beloved Tigers (led by 30-game winner Jeremy Bonderman) against those same Cardinals! Time for us FOOT guys to start the build-up! Glasgow, Scotland ps What do you call a Yankees fan in a suit and tie? The accused. pps Sorry, Chris! Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:08:48 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: ALCS Thoughts at large / but not large thoughts! As Chico noted, the stars were aligned in such a way as to give this anti-Yankee fan the best of all worlds. Not only did the Yankees lose, but they became the first baseball team to lose after holding a 3 game to none advantage. Although I did root for the BoSox, two of my least favorite players were non factors in the series: Pedro & ManRam. (Does Pedro have to bat against St. Louis?!) I used to think ARod was a class guy, another myth busted. (Maybe it's the pin stripes!) was kind of hoping the Astros would win the NLCS to see Clemens go up against his old team and to watch Beltran add to his free agency resume. Besides, I think this may have been the last chance for the killer Bs to go to the WS. Should be a great series, I'm leaning toward the Cards to win it! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "obc" Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 08:09:56 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Ebay success story While trying to complete my 1978 Topps baseball set, I ran across a MolitorR.C. on eBay with a low opening price.........was described as good cond. I bid 1.26 and kinda forgot about it. Lo and behold I won the auction. Since it was only 3.26 with postage, I sent him a check. He waited for the check to clear, no problem with that.........Then after 3weeks he send me a email asking if I received the card. I had not, yet, so I waited a couple of days. He then notified me that he had put it in the "wrong " pile of things that he I replied no problem.........He air mailed the card to me.......Its not just good.....its an EX++++ card with just 1 slight corner ding. So, If you run across this guy, colemanater He is a nice eBay seller and I would recommend him. Air mail was 3.85 for the Molitor card that I paid with postage 3.26. Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:00:51 EDT To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Baseball and other thoughts Hi gang, Well, the results of game seven still haven't set in yet. Hard to believe that the Sox are in the World Series. There was all kinds of trouble in Boston after the game... imagine what'll happen if they actually win four more games this year? I still think they're setting us up for a huge fall though. Let's see what new depths of despair they can plunge the city into now. Remember the last time they pulled a miracle out of their hats to make it to the final showdown? Dave Henderson's homer sailing over the fence in 1986 to steal the pennant from the Angels hasn't been erased from my memory completely... and we all know what happened that year. I want to clear something up somewhat from my last e-mail. I don't want to strangle the guy who puts the graphics up on TV (relax Tom). I want to find the guy who researches and digs up these stats... and decides which ones are relevent to the game at any particular time. For instance, tell me AFTER the game that Orlando Cabrera has handled 426 consecutive chances without an error - not right before the bottom of the ninth with three nasty right handed batters scheduled. If you put the graphic up, then the outside forces that are perpetuating the curse (if there really is one) are aware of it and it won't be long before said graphic is rendered a moot point. I swear the '86 series had a dozen of these situations in every game. As a remedy, flash some graphics that will HELP the Red Sox - like when Pujols comes up with the bases loaded, figure out how many at bats it's been since he last struck out looking foolish and put that up there. If Carpenter has never allowed a home run to a right handed hitter with runners on the corners and one out, then I should be immediately informed via graphic. I was searching eBay for the first time in a couple weeks and was looking over the list of one of my favorite sellers (jhustle1), who has quite a few really oddball cards and sets up for auction right now. One of the cards I noticed was a 1964 Challenge the Yankees Hank Aaron (hi Lynn). I hadn't seen one of these, so I decided to take a peek... It's a good thing I don't own any of these. The temptation to scribble out the word word "Challenge" on these cards is just too much. I'd want to replace it with something like "Crush", "Annihilate", or "Would somebody please beat the ever loving crap out of" - well that probably wouldn't fit. Which reminds me, people get all bent out of shape when they hear that chant that seems to be popular now: "Yankees [stink]". They argue that the Yankees really don't [stink] having won rather consistently over the last few years. Let me tell you what it really is... if a Red Sox fan were asked how they feel about the Yanks, they would probably answer something along the lines of, "The Yankees are a bunch of... (I've edited the 5 minute profanity filled tirade here)" This full unabridged typical response has simply been replaced by two words, thus saving a lot of time while still getting the point across. I'm not saying I condone the chant, but I support it's use as opposed to the alternative extended version One other note about the last game. What was Francona smoking? Let's see, my starting pitcher has thrown 59 pitches, has allowed one hit through six innings and has a seven run lead. Let's yank that guy right away! And to further complicate matters, let's replace him with a possible game one starter in the World Series, who whips up the previously dead crowd into a frenzy just stepping onto the mound. I couldn't even watch the seventh and eighth innings. I went upstairs and played poker online (after screaming at the TV using language that shouldn't be printed). All I could think of was that Grady Little got sent packing for not pulling his starter when he was out of gas and here was Francona trying to earn his walking papers by removing a guy that had dominated and looked like he could've gone the distance. I came back downstairs to watch the ninth and my plans to burn him in effigy were scrapped. But there was a lot of uneasiness in Red Sox Nation for a while there. I was going to write an open letter to the Cardinals congratulating them on winning the pennant and for a fine season. Most teams would be honored just by winning 100 games and making it to the World Series, so could they please stop winning now? I guess we'll find out in 28 hours or so. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:41:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: A Red October: Redbirds vs Red Sox in Fall Classic Hi! All, I just love the subject title it was on a title from cardinals@lists.mlb.com. Anyhow my two favorite teams battle it out for the World Series. Ah, shades of 1967. It was sad to see another season wind down but there was some great playoffs games played for some of us anyway. I can't remember a year where I was sitting so much on the edge of my seat watching those games. Being a devoted Cardinal fan I was lucky enough to be at and see the first game with Dodgers and the last game with the Astros. Still haven't got my voice back after last nights game. Pujols MVP or whatever... Still trying to fanagle some ducats for the World Series. I was on evilBay today saw tickets for $1600 for terrace reserve (two seats) let's get real people and 16 bids were already on it. Anybody know where I can get some cheap tickets? :>) I'm dreaming of course. Well, enough of the rambling, Kent ================= Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 16:56:12 -0700 (PDT) To: ken goetsch , obc From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay success story I have to agree...I have bought from "colemanator" twice. The first time, I bid on a lot of 9 OBC specials from the 1951 Bowman set including 2 HOFers and two hi #s and won it for around $10...then my computer crashed. I lost all the emails and simply forgot about that auction until he negged me after 30 days of not hearing from me. Since the whole episode was my fault, I got in touch with him and apologized/explained what happened. We worked it out, and in the meantime I won a Killebrew RC from him. So I have a second feedback from the guy saying, "Disregard the negative I gave him earlier!" A class act, and he has a lot of stuff that OBCers will approve of. As for Jhustle1, I had a similar situation with him...I won a lot of '50 Bowman from him just before my old computer crashed. I got in touch with him after 2-3 weeks when I got back up, explained what happened and paid. He got his money and positive feedback, I got my cards and no feedback but I am still on that guy's "blocked bidders" list and he won't remove me. I'd love to bid on some of his items, but don't like the fact that I got blacklisted because my wife introduced a virus to our computer...I know a lot of OBCers like him, but I'm not among that particular group. Take care, --- ken goetsch wrote: > While trying to complete my 1978 Topps baseball set, > I ran across a Molitor R.C. on eBay with a low > opening price.........was described as good cond. > I bid 1.26 and kinda forgot about it. > Lo and behold I won the auction. Since it was > only 3.26 with postage, I sent him a check. > He waited for the check to clear, no problem with > that.........Then after 3 weeks he send me a email > asking if I received the card. I had not, yet, > so I waited a couple of days. > He then notified me that he had put it in the "wrong > " pile of things that he sells. > I replied no problem.........He air mailed the card > to me.......Its not just good.....its an EX++++ card > with just 1 slight corner ding. > So, If you run across this guy, colemanater He > is a nice eBay seller and I would recommend him. > Air mail was 3.85 for the Molitor card that I paid > with postage 3.26. > Ken Goetsch-OBC Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 11:28:38 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay success story Speaking of OBC success stories...Scott Brockleman (sb1) sold me one of the ten t-205s I needed...the second hardest card in the set...Wallace no cap with one line of 1910 stats...this card is extremely difficult because it only comes with the Hassan Fact. 30 back (as far as I can tell)...what makes this great is that I won it on ebay for $33 shipped!! I was actually expecting to pay $200-$300 for it!! http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5129895680&ssPageN This is my best ebay purchase in a long time...I totally recommend scott (as PS I missed out on a Wilhelm too but I think that one is overpriced currently. PPS If any one has any of the following sitting around, I could use them.. T-205 NEEDS: Collins(mouth closed,HOF), Collins(ML), Donahue(R), Duffy(HOF), Fisher(R), Hoblitzell(no stats,R!), Hoblitzell(no "Cin" after '08), Kleinow(R), Wilhelm (no "r" in suffered)(R). ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 13:20:17 -0700 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Chat Mis-fire -- where's Connor? My friends, In a chat a couple of weeks ago a gentleman mentioned to me that his son Connor's Birthday was coming up. As we talked, I mentioned that I would loveto send a little birthday surprise of cards from his favorite team (the Red Sox -- poor boy....) his way. Low and behold, I sent the package to the wrong person, and now cannot find the original note that I made. So, if whoever has the son in question would be willing to speak up, I can re-send these cards to the RIGHT address -- better late than never! Be happy, ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 20:27:02 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: 50's non-sports My addiction developed in 1953. For the next six years or so, all of the excess profits from my paper route went into cards. Baseball cards when in season, ...and a few football, but mostly non-sports when Tony's corner store was out of the baseball cards. While my mom never threw out my baseball cards, the favorite non-sports ones had disappeared over the years and I am trying to rebuild those sets. I'm looking for leads to bargains on cards from the following sets: 1952 Look n See famous people (have about 90% of that one and am trying to finish it off) 1956 Topps Presidents- only need 8 more 1954-55 Topps World on Wheels- vehicles, need all but about a dozen 1956 Topps Jets and 1957 Topps Planes- need all Bob Saxton Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:46:37 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: My addiction knows no bounds Well...surfing the net the other day and came across a post about the T-80 Military Series set...it is very very similar to the T-205 set in that it has gold borders and nice artwork...the backs are tolstoi, uzit, lenox, old mill, and monopol....it is pretty and I just won my first one on ebay...here is my question...I know there are 50 in the set...does anybody have a checklist for this set? I can't find it online...one of the OBC brethren must have a checklist for this set they can cut and paste or type out for me... maybe I am addicted to gold border tobacco cards... ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 07:59:38 EDT To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My addiction knows no bounds In a message dated 10/24/2004 12:48:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: Well...surfing the net the other day and came across a post about the T-80 Military Series set...it is very very similar to the T-205 set in that it has gold borders and nice artwork...the backs are tolstoi, uzit, lenox, old mill, and monopol....it is pretty and I just won my first one on ebay...here is my question...I know there are 50 in the set...does anybody have a checklist for this set? I can't find it online...one of the OBC brethren must have a checklist for this set they can cut and paste or type out for me... I think there are more than 50 in the set. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 12:42:04 EDT To: judgeguy@juno.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My addiction knows no bounds thanks to everyone who sent me info on the t-80 set...rittenberg mentions other gold border sets from around the same time...i hope that is not true... ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:03:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: pre war and early 50's availables Content-Language: en Hello fellow cardboardians, I am starting a type set collection. I am also trying to focus on completing some of the sets that I have some volume in and trading the lessor efforts out. To that end, please see if there is anything from these cards that you can use and maybe you can help me with my type set collection or my working sets. I have attached my type set collection if you want to take a look at it. The cards that I have have the year marked in yellow. Here are my availables: 1909 E90-1 Grant, McInnes 1911 T212 Dillon 1912 T202 Hassan 36C Evers makes a slide 1922 E121 G. Dauss, Wm. Jacobson, O. Miller, E. Murphy, M. Stock, F. Toney 1923 W515 J O=E2=99Donnell, E Rommell, A Ward 1927 E126 A. Ward, R. Schalk 1928 Yuenglings ice cream 24 Mostil, 10 Sewell 1933 Goudey 15 Sorrell, 65 Gaston, 203 Warneke, 206 Suhr 1934 Goudey 28 Coleman, 30 Solters, 31 Jordan, 36 Betts, 39 Walker, 41 Barnshaw, 48 Carlrleton, 59 Mowry, 60 Harder 1934-36 R 327(D stars) 4 Myer, 41 Hendrick, 56 Suhr 1940 Play Ball 85 Schumacher 1941 Play Ball 37 Campbell, 46 Hudson 1949 Bowman 77.95.99.101.105.113.117.118.121.131.136.137.139.143. 1954 Bowman 3.88.94.102.117.205 1955 Bowman about 70 cards And, here are the sets that I am working: 1909-11 T206:(Listed alphabetically and according to Stufflestreet #'s) I (1) Ed Abbaticchio, (4) Bill Abstein,(8) Red Ames, (12) Herman Armbruster, (14) Jake Atz, (16) Neal Ball,(20)Jack Barry,(23) Emil Batch, (24) Johnny Bates, (28) Beals Becker,(31)George Bell,(47)David Brain, (49) Roy Breshear, (53) Al Bridwell, (57) Mordecai Brown, (60) Al Burch,(62)Jimmy Burke, (63) Bill Burns, (65) John Butler,(68)Howie Camnitz,(82) Hal Chase, (84) Hal Chase, (89)Joshua Clarke,(101)Bunk Congalton,(102)Wid Conroy (104)Harry Covaleski,(106)Doc Crandall, (121)Frank Delehanty/Delehanty?{Washington},(127) Mike Donlin,(135)Mickey Doolan,(140)Tom Downey, (153) Ted Easterly, (165) Hobe Ferris,(169) Art Fletcher,(171)Russ Ford, (178)Bob Ganley,(138) Bob Ganley, (180) Harry Gaspar, (182) George Gibson,(184) Wilbur Goode, (187) Dolly Gray, (194) Ed Hahn, (197) Jack Hannifan,(204) Buck Herzog, (208) Harry Hinchman, (207) Bill Hinchman, (210) Danny Hoffman,(212) Solly Hofman, (214) Del Howard, (217) Harry Howell, (221) John Hummel,(223)Frank Isbell, (232) Fielder Jones,(233) Davy Jones,(252) Otto Knabe,(258)Harry Krause,(259) Rube Kroh,(265) Joe Lake,(269) Arlie Latham, (278)Glenn Lieberhardt, (281) Paddy Livingstone, (283) Harry Lord, (293) Rube Manning, (302) Jack McAleese, (305) Moose McCormick, (306) Pryor McElveen, (309) Joe McGinnity, (317) Matty McIntyre, (320) George McQuillan,(323) George Merritt, (324) Chief Meyers,(325) Clyde Milan,(328) Wm. Milligan, (331) Dan Moeller,(340)George Mullin, (343)Red Murray, (349) Simon Nicholls,(354)Peter (452) Peter Obrien,(358)Charlie O'Leary, (365) Orval Overall, (369)Dode Paskert,(370)Jim Pastorius,(372) Fred Payne, (376) George Perring, (380) Jack Pfeister,(388) Mike Powers, (390) Ambrose Puttman,(392) Jack Quinn, (394) Bugs Raymond, (403) Louis Ritter,(408)Dick Rudolph,(410) Germany Schaefer, (422) Jim Scott, (424) Cy Seymour,(427)William Shannon,(431) Royal Shaw,(433) Jimmy Sheckard, (435)James Slagle,(439) Happy Smith, (448) Jake Stahl,(449) Oscar Stanage, (451) Charlie Starr,(453) Harry Steinfeldt (458) Samuel Strang,(461)Billy Sullivan, (462) Ed Summers,(463)Jeff (471) John Thielman, (479) Terry Turner, (485) Heinie Wagner, (494) Doc White, (498) Kaiser Wilhelm, (507) Hooks Wiltse 1921-23 National Caramel E220: I have Franklin "Homerun" Baker, George Burns, Leon Cadore, Walton Cruise, George Cutshaw, Chas. Deal, Bill Doak, Joe Dugan, Walter Gerber, J.C. Graney, Tommy Griffith, Harry Liebold, Walter "Buster" Mails, J.C. Milan, Bernie Neis, Geo. Paskert, Scott Perry, Edgar Rice, Raymond Schmandt, Bob Shawkey, Urban Shocker, George Sisler, Vernon Spencer, Casey Stengle, Babe Ruth, Pep Young, Vaughn, Arthur Wilson 1922 American Caramel E120: I have (American) Ben Karr, pitcher Derrill Pratt, 2nd Mike Menosky, OF Clarence "Shovel" Hodge, Pitcher George Leverette, P Ernie Johnson, SS Hervey McClellan, 3rd Amos Strunk, OF George Uhle, P Stuffy McInnis, 1st Larry Gardner, 3rd Joe Wood, OF George Dauss, P Herman Pillette, P Lawrence Woodall, C Emory Rigney, IF Bob Veach, OF Ira Flagstead, Utility New York: Everett Scott, SS Roy Moore, P W.R."Doc" Johnston, 1st Jimmy Dykes, 2nd Frank Calloway, SS St. Louis: Will Bayne, P T.P. "Pat" Collins, C Will Jacobson, OF J.T. Zachary, P Val Picinich, C Stanley Harris, 2nd Roger Peckinpaugh, SS Leon Goslin, OF Hugh McQuillan, P Joe Oeschger, P George O'Neil, C Hank Gowdy, C Walter Holke, 1st Walt Barbare, SS Bill Southworth, OF Clarence Mitchell, P Bernard "Bud" Hungling, C Sam Crane, SS Hy Myers, OF Chas. "Dowdy" Hartnett, C Marty Krug, 2nd Charlie Kelleher, SS Marty Callahan, OF Max Flack, OF Adolfo Luque, P Cliff Markle, P John Gillespie, P Gene "Bubbles" Hargrave, C Sammy Bohne, 2nd Jimmy Caveney, SS Ralph Pinelli, 3rd Louis "Pat" Duncan, OF New York: Jesse Barnes, P Fred Toney, P Frank Snyder, C Dave "Beauty" Bancroft, SS John Rawlings, Utility Lee Meadows, P Roy Leslie, 1st Frank Parkinson, 2nd Art Fletcher, SS Joe "Goldie" Rapp, 3rd Earl Hamilton, P Johnny Gooch, C Harold "Pie" Traynor Clyde Barnhardt, 3rd Jim Tierney, Utility Carson Bigbee, OF Max Carey, OF John L. Mokan, OF St Louis: Will Pertica, P Vern Clemons, C Jack Fournier, 1st 1956 #s I need 324.332, cl1,cl2 vg or better 1956 Variations needed:ggrey back andwwhite back vg 1955 complete 1955 Bowman #'s I need vg or better 54 Topps Complete!!! 1954 Bowmans I need: 185.188.193.194.195.198.202.210.211.215.216.218.219 VG or better 53 topps I have: 230.232.234.235.236.241.243.247.248.249.255.259.259.263.279. G or better 53 Bowman(color):I have 141.149.150.153.154.155.157.158.159.vg or better 53 Bowman(B&W): I have 3.14.32.37.45.61.vg or better 52 Topps:I have 276.291.306.307. G or better 52 Bowman: I have 154.165.185.229.235.242.250 G or better 51 Bowman:I have 219.221.222.224.229.231.234.235.236.240.244.250.279.289.304.309.316.318 G or 50 Bowman:I have 236.239.240.241.244.246 G or better 49 Bowman:I have Thanks for your consideration, Bob Bannon www.biggcards.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 21:37:13 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: a short history of the Goudey company A box bottom with a short history of the Goudey company has been sitting around here for years. Now I can finally toss it out. History of Goudey Trading Cards The Goudey Gum Company of Boston, Massachusetts, was one of the pioneer bubblegum card manufacturers - founded by Mayflower descendent Gordon H. Goudey - and a rival of the Philadelphia-based Frank H. Fleer Company for many years. Goudey, in fact, claimed that he, not Fleer, invented bubble gum and that Fleer simply beat him to the patent (Walter Deimer, the Fleer cost accountant credited with refining the original bubblegum formula, disputes that claim.) The first Goudey cards were of Native Americans ("Indians") and their first slab of bubblegum packed with a card was called "Indian Gum" - those cards are still highly collectible staples of the non-sport hobby. The first Goudey sports card issue was the 1933 233-card issue of baseball players, which included Babe Ruth. The called their gum "Big League Chewing Gum" and the set, in near mint condition, is worth upwards of $100,000. Later in 1933, Goudey issued a 48-card set called "Sport Kings" that included the "first-ever" football cards of the legendary Red Grange, Jim Thorpe and Notre Dame immortal Knute Rockne, becoming the first collectible football cards since the turn-of-the-centure tobacco cards of collegiate The Goudey "era" in sports cards spanned just nine years, yet it has stood out as the quintessential name in rare and collectible trading cards. Now, 55 years later, the old rivals Fleer and Goudey are united and a new era is about to begin with the 1996-97 Premiere Fleer Goudey NFL Football card set. In keeping with the Goudey tradition, these cards will be produced to the original Goudey specifications and feature many of the same characteristics that distinguished the line almost six decades ago. -- box bottom for Fleer Goudey football cards ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:05:56 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: football Hi, kids! In cleaning out some storage areas I came across a couple handfuls of football cards from 1956-80. I skimmed thru the directory wantlists and have about a dozen envelopes to go in the mail this week. There are few star cards that I want to put up on ebay in hopes of picking up a little card buying cash. Here are a few freebies FCFS to good OBC homes: 1972 Topps # 23, Len St. Jean 1975 Topps #22 Larry Seiple 1976 Wonder Bread All-Stars # 7 George Kunz 1977 Topps #81 Mel Gray Have a great week everyone! Bob Saxton Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ================= To: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:46:37 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: What is it? Anybody out there know anything at all about this baseball medal? I found it today at a flea market. There are no markings, lettering, or whatever anywhere on it - the back is totally blank. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:49:00 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: AAU award?/ FREE BOOK available= Worst Team Money Could Buy (92 My GUESS would be a "participant" award to someone on a AAU Baseball team that finished below the medal awards (4th or below?). I rcvd something similar when I was the 4th leg of a 4X100 relay team that finished 4th at a AAU (Amateur Athletic Union?) sanctioned Track Meet back in the 80s. But that's just a guess. Anyone interested in the book mentioned above by Bob Klapisch & John Harper? It's in real nice shape (about 5"x9" hardcover with dust jacket, 281 pages & the cover price is $21.00 USA. Condition is a 9 on a 10 scale! Priority to any of the folks I still owe. If nobody claims it, it'll go in my yard sale next week for $3. LMK! ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 03:38:23 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Bill Veeck help / 3 VG to VG+ 72s available free First off, does any know of a Bill Veeck card? I have the Eddie Gaedel 73 or so Laughlin card & a couple SI mags, so is that is close as it gets? How about postcard with him on it? Secondly, can anyone tell me or direct me to a site that will show me what year Veeck owned what teams? I know he owned the StL Browns, Indians (I think) & White Sox (twice?). He also owned some minor league teams which I'd like to know about. He is my all time favorite owner but it has been years since I read the book VEECK AS IN WRECK (which I really enjoyed) so I can't remember his teams. One of my fav stunts he pulled was, to protest the poor lighting at one minor lg park, he had his team come out with miner's helmets on, which have a light on the front :-) He liked to pull the "water down the infield" trick & of course there was Eddie Gaedel. Did I mention the exploding scoreboard or Disco Record Demolition night? Thridly, I have 3 VG-VG+ 72s available: #1=Pirates Team (World Champions!) #15=Walt Williams (White Sox/worst of 3) #27=Bob Johnson (Pirates/best of the 3) ================= Date: 25 Oct 2004 08:34:12 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: If you've seen the Premier issue of OLD CARDBOARD magazine, what do you think about it? Poll closes 10-31. o VERY IMPRESSIVE! 10 stars! o IMPRESSIVE! 9 stars! o VERY NICE! 8 stars! o NICE! 7 stars :-) o I LIKE IT! 6 stars :-) o DECENT/AVG 5 stars :-) o NEEDS A LITTLE WORK (4/10) o NOT TOO GOOD (3 on 10 scale) o SLACK! NEEDS MUCH WORK :-( o Virtually Worthless :-( To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11905721 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:18:23 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings OBCers -- If you haven't seen it yet, we have a couple of OBC authors featured in the first issue...George Vrechek and Mark Macrae! Tim Newcomb also managed to get his mugshot in the mag -- nice going gents! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the > OBC-Ramblings group: > If you've seen the Premier issue of OLD CARDBOARD magazine, what do you > think about it? Poll closes 10-31. > o VERY IMPRESSIVE! 10 stars! > o IMPRESSIVE! 9 stars! > o VERY NICE! 8 stars! > o NICE! 7 stars :-) > o I LIKE IT! 6 stars :-) > o DECENT/AVG 5 stars :-) > o NEEDS A LITTLE WORK (4/10) > o NOT TOO GOOD (3 on 10 scale) > o SLACK! NEEDS MUCH WORK :-( > o Virtually Worthless :-( > To vote, please visit the following web page: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11905721 > Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are > not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups > web site listed above. > Thanks! > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:18:45 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: book/poll/Veeck/72s The Mets book has been claimed! We have 4 votes in the poll already :-) Still looking for Bill Veeck info though! The 3 cards from 72 are still available. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 10:19:11 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Veeck help / 3 VG to VG+ 72s available free Bill Veeck was in the 1948 and 1949 Cleveland Indians Picture Packs. There is a lot of 30 of these on eBay right now including a Veeck photo. The lot is a mixture of 1948 and 1949 so I don't know which year the Veeck card is Veeck was in the 1982 Ohio Hall of Fame set. This card should be fairly easy to find. There is one currently listed on eBay. One of his Hall of Fame plaques is also currently on eBay. Other issues containing Veeck: 1931 Chicago Cubs Picture Pack 1932 Chicago Cubs Picture Pack 1976 Chicagoland Collectors Association Chicago Greats 1980 Perez-Steele Hall of Fame Postcards Beckett's Alphabetical Checklist also mentions: 1984 O'Connell & Son Ink 1953 Indians Pencil Clip Buttons HAPPY HUNTING! -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Veeck help / 3 VG to VG+ 72s available free > First off, does any know of a Bill Veeck card? I have the Eddie Gaedel > 73 or so Laughlin card & a couple SI mags, so is that is close as it > gets? How about postcard with him on it? > Secondly, can anyone tell me or direct me to a site that will show me > what year Veeck owned what teams? I know he owned the StL Browns, > Indians (I think) & White Sox (twice?). He also owned some minor league > teams which I'd like to know about. He is my all time favorite owner > but it has been years since I read the book VEECK AS IN WRECK (which I > really enjoyed) so I can't remember his teams. One of my fav stunts he > pulled was, to protest the poor lighting at one minor lg park, he had > his team come out with miner's helmets on, which have a light on the > front :-) > He liked to pull the "water down the infield" trick & of course there > was Eddie Gaedel. Did I mention the exploding scoreboard or Disco > Record Demolition night? > Thridly, I have 3 VG-VG+ 72s available: > #1=Pirates Team (World Champions!) > #15=Walt Williams (White Sox/worst of 3) > #27=Bob Johnson (Pirates/best of the 3) > Yahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:59:07 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 57 mid series its always been rather intuitive as to why the vintage hi #s have been so hard to find. but i dont think i ever read why the 57 mid series are almost if not more difficult to find than hi #s from that year. i am sure someone in the group knows, so please enlighten me. tnx, gm ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:53:54 -0400 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: VOTING / VEECK as in wreck! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:13:02 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Jimmy Piersall I have a Sports Collectors Digest with a Jimmy Piersall article in it. I know someone is a big fan of his; let me know if you want me to send it. Thanks, Dan Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ================= To: Dan Angland , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:42:00 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimmy Piersall That would be Dan Austin who collects Jimmy Piersall memorabilia. I'm sure he will appreciate it. REGARDS --------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- I have a Sports Collectors Digest with a Jimmy Piersall article in it. I know someone is a big fan of his; let me know if you want me to send it. Thanks, Dan Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:38:55 -0400 From: Bob Saxton Subject: tipton footballs up for grabs Anyone want these football cards? 57 Topps #2 Pete Retzlaff 58 Topps #'s 9 Cleveland Browns team; 12 Alan Ameche; 110 Baltimore Colts team Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/ month - visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:56:49 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: help ID a football guide please I have a 1989 "Football Monthly". It is Volume I Number I. Has anyone ever heard of this? Bob Bannon ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:18:37 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) The following is a public service announcement from your friendly Granite State OBC'er... The annual Greater Boston Sports Collector's Club convention will be November 5-7 at the Shriner's Auditorium in Wilmington, MA. For us New Englanders, this is THE best show of the year. Lots of nationally known and OBC friendly dealers set up here every year. Details such as autograph guests, times, etc. can be found on the GBSCC's website: http://www.gbscc.com/convention.html I will be going Friday and Saturday for sure - may even go Sunday morning before football if I have to :-) As has been tradition, OBC'ers in attendance meet in the dining area Saturday at noon for a get-together luncheon/swap So now that y'all know I'm going, who else is in?? Happy Collecting! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:55:27 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) I plan on going Saturday! GO SOX ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) The following is a public service announcement from your friendly GraniteState The annual Greater Boston Sports Collector's Club convention will be November 5-7 at the Shriner's Auditorium in Wilmington, MA. For us New Englanders, this is THE best show of the year. Lots of nationally known and OBC friendly dealers set up here every year. Details such as autograph guests, times, etc. can be found on the GBSCC's website: http://www.gbscc.com/convention.html I will be going Friday and Saturday for sure - may even go Sunday morningbefore football if I have to :-) As has been tradition, OBC'ers in attendance meet in the dining area Saturday at noon for a get-together luncheon/swap So now that y'all know I'm going, who else is in?? Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:26:25 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) I'll try to get there friday evening and/or saturday morning and/or sunday morning.... all 3 days are still up in the air because of the state HS soccer tournament. Keep me in the loop if you guys are meeting ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) The following is a public service announcement from your friendly GraniteState The annual Greater Boston Sports Collector's Club convention will be November 5-7 at the Shriner's Auditorium in Wilmington, MA. For us New Englanders, this is THE best show of the year. Lots of nationally known and OBC friendly dealers set up here every year. Details such as autograph guests, times, etc. can be found on the GBSCC's website: http://www.gbscc.com/convention.html I will be going Friday and Saturday for sure - may even go Sunday morningbefore football if I have to :-) As has been tradition, OBC'ers in attendance meet in the dining area Saturday at noon for a get-together luncheon/swap So now that y'all know I'm going, who else is in?? Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 17:29:44 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) Hi NE OBCers, I'll be there Saturday for the show and swap session. Can it already be that time of the year? Might we hoist the first NE OBC champeenship banner? Amen to --- Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote: > The following is a public service announcement from your friendly Granite > State OBC'er... Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:07:33 -0700 (PDT) To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC convention (aka Shriner's show) I plan to make the show. Probably the Friday afternoon. How to see some of you there. Go sox. Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote: The following is a public service announcement from your friendly Granite State OBC'er... The annual Greater Boston Sports Collector's Club convention will be November 5-7 at the Shriner's Auditorium in Wilmington, MA. For us New Englanders, this is THE best show of the year. Lots of nationally known and OBC friendly dealers set up here every year. Details such as autograph guests, times, etc. can be found on the GBSCC's website: http://www.gbscc.com/convention.html I will be going Friday and Saturday for sure - may even go Sunday morning before football if I have to :-) As has been tradition, OBC'ers in attendance meet in the dining area Saturday at noon for a get-together luncheon/swap session. So now that y'all know I'm going, who else is in?? Happy Collecting! Yahoo! 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Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 7:57:18 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Hockey checklists? As some of you may know, I've added late 60s/early 70s hockey cards to my wantlist. Following on from my early collecting habits on baseball, I'm also collecting Detroit Red Wings cards from all years. Over the past 2 weeks, I've been lucky enough to pick up 4 early 50s Parkies of Red Wings. It has dawned on me, however, that if I'm going to get serious about going after these earlier cards, I really need some kind of guide to what I'm looking for! So, my question is simple. Can anyone point me towards a good resource for (or perhaps even provide me with) a full checklist of Red Wings cards from 1950 to 1980? I started yesterday to try to compile a list using the hockeydb.com website, but soon realised that much of what I was doing was guesswork. Hope someone can help! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:46:06 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Congratulations Congratulations Red Sox fans. 8 in a row. Wow! - Doug ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:47:43 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: congrats to the Sox fans I couldn't be happier for OBC's Red Sox contingent. Besides the Dodgers, there wasn't another team I wanted to win the Series more than Boston. I may even briefly jump on the bandwagon and buy a hat commemorating the event. Have fun you guys! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:52:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: The Curse is broken, the jinx continues Congrats to the Boston Red Sox and all the long suffering faithfull. The played the butts off to come this far and to take the crown. The AL shows how good they are (ducks the NL fans throwing things) And for the streak that never ends, I once again picked the WS wrong. I said Yankees vs Cards, and all was looking good until I mentioned to one person I was rooting for the Cards. Sorry Kent. Also since the end of the M's season (mid-May?) I was hoping for a local team to shine. UW's huskies are 1-6, so much for them. Seahawks started 3-0 then I started rooting for them and they lost 3 straight. Next come the Sonics, and they sent me season tickets ... to the Trailblazers!! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:22:42 EDT To: duph182@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: 78's? Found 6 for you: 25, 76, 231, 254, 287, 691. Will get them out ASAP. Tom H. ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:31:16 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Need some Red Sox help Somewhere along the line I had a Red Sox jersey which I can't find at the moment. For Halloween, I was going to dress up as Johnny Damon (just to really piss off all the Yankee fans). Problem is this... I need a jersey (home with or without #18). Can't find any in NY. Are there any to be found that can be shipped to me overnight for Friday? The party I'm going to is Sat night. Doesn't have to be one of those "real" jerseys, just a good facsimile. Looking to spend up to around $100.00. Are there any OBC magicians in New England? I will be indebted and I'm sure I'll find some cardboard to supplement the order. I have some feelers out, but if its possible give me a buzz 516-238-8070 or email me at this address and sdomino@contourmortgage.com. Thanks in advance for even looking! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:47:47 EDT To: DirectorTH@aol.com, duph182@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 78's? Date: 10/28/2004 12:24:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: directorth@aol.com To: duph182@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: duph182@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:22:42 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 78's? ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:27:15 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Make My Day Hi all, I'm only old enough to go back to the "impossible dream" season and Jim Lonborg, on 2 days rest, being bested by the great Bob Gibson. I was stationed in Germany during the exciting '75 series and have only seen clips. I did witness "F-ee" Dent's homer off Mike Torrez in '78. And I watched an '86 series, that had prematurely named Bruce Hurst MVP, slip away to the Mets....and I always forgave Bill Buckner...if not for his playing thru pain...they might not have even been there!!! Tonight, I was fortunate enough, due to the efforts of my crew, to get out of work early and catch the last 4 innings of game 4. My heart rate increased upon turning on the tv and finding the Sox ahead 3-0 in the 5th...and I don't think it ever decreased until the games' And then I think about the fans....the camera shots thru the St.Louis crowd..."youngish"....and from the 1st 2 games at Fenway....seems everyone was bundled up for a winter storm and 70+ years old!!! And an article I read on Yahoo about the Sox female faithfull from a nursing home...and their hope that this would be the year. Outside of New England, or the "Red Sox Nation", I don't think people fathom the love that the fans have for their beloved BoSox!! To all those who have supported these "idiots" over the years...."Cel - ebrate Good Times, Come On!!!" Did I read Keith Foulke's lips correctly after the final out???..."We F-ing did it!!"....you bet your &$% you did it!!! And in fine fashion Our SOX are 2004 World Series Champions!!! Uhh..my 2 cents...I'm sure there will be more !!! OBC...'nuff said....and the 2004 Boston Red Sox....aahhh....'nuff said yet again!!! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:26:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: WOW! Congrats to all the long suffering Bosox fans out there in OBCland. 8 in a row against a couple of pretty darn good teams. Condolences to Yankees and Cardinals fans. Take solace in the fact that it was written in the stars, emphasised by a lunar eclipse on the night Boston won it all. There was talk around these parts that Derek Lowe may be coming back home to the Detroit area next season. I think he just pitched himself out of the Tigers financial reach. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:53:32 -0400 (EDT) To: From: Subject: Help from New England I am still in shock and can't believe it finally happened. It may sink in eventually, but it hasn't yet. I hit our (only a few) newstands this morning, but the Boston papers were already gone. Can someone in New England do me a huge favor? I am trying to snag 4 copies each of the Globe and Herald (one for my dad, who told me last night he could now die happy, and I told him that, if they keep this team together, there will be more to celebrate and one each for my boys), but can't find them in central PA. If someone up there could send me 4 copies of each paper, I will gladly pay for them, pay for the shipping, and make sure there is some cardboard returned for the trouble. Thanks, guys. And I hope that rumor that they decided to make it a best of 9 series isn't true! ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:03:30 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help from New England I would also like to put in a request for a Boston paper - Globe or Herald - if someone has an extra copy. They don't deliver out here in the hinterlands :) ================= To: Originaleek@webtv.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:47:12 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WOW! Hey Eek, I don't think the fact the Lowe has "priced himself out" of the Tigers range is necessarily a bad thing. Even before his post-season display, it was likely that he was going to command a reasonably hefty salary. Personally, however, I think he may be primed for implosion. His ERA has been steadily rising since 2002 (5.42 this year!), and without the offensive support of the Red Sox, he could struggle mightily. The Tigers could certainly do with another starter, although I think Bonderman, Maroth and Robertson - with another year of experience behind them - are not too bad a base to work with. Jason Johnson needs to be sent to the pen. In fact, the Tiger really need to bolster their bullpen much more urgently than their starting rotation! Throw in a 3rd baseman, and a centerfielder, and perhaps we could scratch our way back to respectibility! ============================================================ From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: 2004/10/28 Thu AM 11:26:10 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] WOW! Congrats to all the long suffering Bosox fans out there in OBCland. 8 in a row against a couple of pretty darn good teams. Condolences to Yankees and Cardinals fans. Take solace in the fact that it was written in the stars, emphasised by a lunar eclipse on the night Boston won it all. There was talk around these parts that Derek Lowe may be coming back home to the Detroit area next season. I think he just pitched himself out of the Tigers financial reach. We keep what we give away! Yahoo! Groups Links ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:13:08 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help from New England I remember that when Ted Williams passed away I called the Boston Globe and was able to order multiple copies of the paper. If I remember correctly the cost wasn't that bad. Their main number is 617-929-2000. >From: >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help from New England >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:53:32 -0400 (EDT) >I am still in shock and can't believe it finally happened. It may sink in >eventually, but it hasn't yet. I hit our (only a few) newstands this >morning, but the Boston papers were already gone. Can someone in New >do me a huge favor? I am trying to snag 4 copies each of the Globe and >Herald (one for my dad, who told me last night he could now die happy, and >told him that, if they keep this team together, there will be more to >celebrate and one each for my boys), but can't find them in central PA. If >someone up there could send me 4 copies of each paper, I will gladly pay >them, pay for the shipping, and make sure there is some cardboard returned >for the trouble. >Thanks, guys. And I hope that rumor that they decided to make it a best of >series isn't true! Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:38:31 EDT To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: NOW what am I going to do? WOW! The Boston Red Sox have won the 2004 World Series. I had to type that out and stare at that sentence for a while, but it still hasn't really sunk in. I saw the game last night with a couple of my friends and I got a message on my answering machine from my cousin (who calls maybe twice a year, if that) saying the same thing. I saw on ESPN Sportscenter this morning that it really wasn't a dream. I hear they're even planning a parade and everything. There's a huge weight lifted off the shoulders of this town. No longer will I have to hear about 'The Curse of the Bambino'. Now 1918 is just another year and not an infuriating taunt. Now the hated rival New York Yankees have the yoke around their necks. Hopefully they can deal with another 85 years of defeat after pulling the biggest choke job in baseball history... but I may be getting ahead of myself there. I've waited for this day for a long time - not as long as some people, but ever since I knew what baseball was... about 3/4 of my life anyway. The big question on my mind now is, "What's next for Red Sox fans?" I mean, now that we've won, what's the point in rooting for them now? No longer can we sympathize with Cubs fans because we know what it's like. We USED TO KNOW what it was like. The words 'much maligned' and 'hard luck' have been replaced with 'world champion' and 'never say die' when describing this franchise. Now when people ask me who my favorite baseball team is, I can answer with, "The World Champion Boston Red Sox!" and not, "Unfortunately, it's the Red Sox". It seems almost surreal actually. It's as if I've lost part of my identity as a fan - there's nothing to commiserate any more. The slate has been wiped clean and we're going to see how much the city appreciates that fact tomorrow. I'm hoping to be there tomorrow if I can squeeze myself into the sea of humanity that's sure to be draped all over Boston tomorrow afternoon. Saturday I'll have a decision to make though... should I prepare myself to cheer for back to back titles? Or should I start supporting the Cubs and perpetuate the feeling I'm used to as a baseball fan? Hmmm. Well, I guess one thing is true - Now that the Sox have won, maybe they can win another 85 titles in a row? It'll be fun to find out. Ken M ================= To: , Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:43:48 +0100 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NOW what am I going to do? We'll welcome you aboard, Ken - you just have a new date to remember - 1908, and a billygoat instead of a Bambino... ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: undisclosed-recipients: Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 5:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] NOW what am I going to do? WOW! The Boston Red Sox have won the 2004 World Series. I had to type that out and stare at that sentence for a while, but it still hasn't really sunk in. I saw the game last night with a couple of my friends and I got a message on my answering machine from my cousin (who calls maybe twice a year,if that) saying the same thing. I saw on ESPN Sportscenter this morning that it really wasn't a dream. I hear they're even planning a parade and everything. There's a huge weight lifted off the shoulders of this town. No longer will I have to hear about 'The Curse of the Bambino'. Now 1918 is just another year and not an infuriating taunt. Now the hated rival New York Yankees have the yoke around their necks. Hopefully they can deal with another85 years of defeat after pulling the biggest choke job in baseball history... but I may be getting ahead of myself there. I've waited for this day for a long time - not as long as some people,but ever since I knew what baseball was... about 3/4 of my life anyway. The big question on my mind now is, "What's next for Red Sox fans?" I mean, now that we've won, what's the point in rooting for them now? No longer can we sympathize with Cubs fans because we know what it's like. We USED TO KNOW what it was like. The words 'much maligned' and 'hard luck' have been replaced with 'world champion' and 'never say die' when describing this franchise. Now when people ask me who my favorite baseball team is, I can answer with, "The World Champion Boston Red Sox!" and not, "Unfortunately, it's the Red Sox". It seems almost surreal actually. It's as if I've lost part of my identity as a fan - there's nothing to commiserate any more. The slate has been wiped clean and we're going to see how much the city appreciates that fact tomorrow. I'm hoping to be there tomorrow if I can squeeze myself into the sea of humanity that's sure to be draped all over Boston tomorrow afternoon. Saturday I'll have a decision to make though... should I prepare myself to cheer for back to back titles? Or should I start supporting the Cubs and perpetuate the feeling I'm used to as a baseball fan? Hmmm. Well, Iguess one thing is true - Now that the Sox have won, maybe they can win another 85 titles in a row? It'll be fun to find out. TAYL, Ken M Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:51:51 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NOW what am I going to do? You can always root for the phillies... ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:23:57 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Boston Globe special edition For anyone interested in getting a copy of the Globe's WS edition, go to: It's $2.00 an ish, which includes shipping. still stunned....did it really happen? ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:23:43 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Boston Globe special edition For anyone interested in getting a copy of the Globe's WS edition, go to: It's $2.00 an ish, which includes shipping. still stunned....did it really happen? ================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 02:08:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: MP & Co. Info wanted There was a recent article in a card mag about MP & Co cards. Ron is looking for more info. I know a few have completed a base set and may even have a bunch of the back variations. Please help him out and also copy me as I am curious about the set as I closse in on it. Mike Rich 1943 M.P. and Company set. I'd appreciate any leads you or your fellow collectors might offer in explaining the discrepancies on the backs of some cards. I'm also trying very hard to learn something about Michael his company, the choice of players for that set, etc. So, again, I'd thankful for any help. Ron Rembert Religion/Philosophy Department Box 1214 Pyle Center Wilmington College Wilmington, OH. 45177 937-382-6661, ex. 210 ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:26:29 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg \(Earthlink\)" Subject: 1972 Kelloggs All Time Greats set on ebay Here's a complete set on ebay for $20. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=60501&item=5134087761&rd=1&ssPageName=WD1V There are two Ruths in the set plus a Cobb and Gehrig. At $1 / card for the "commons" and $3 each for the 2 Ruths, Cobb and Gehrig, this is a good deal. I'd buy it but I only need one stinkin' card to finish my set -- the #6 Babe Ruth. The single card isnt on ebay right now. I've even finished the "1970 Rold Gold variations" which do not have the 1972 copyright. Any chance someone has an extra #6 Ruth available to send, swap or sell? ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:05:38 -0700 (PDT) To: mikesportsfan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MP & Co. Info wanted If anybody does know about that info, please send me a CC. I'd love to add to the little information available on my site. Take care, --- mikesportsfan wrote: > There was a recent article in a card mag about MP & > Co cards. Ron is > looking for more info. I know a few have completed > a base set and > may even have a bunch of the back variations. > Please help him out > and also copy me as I am curious about the set as I > closse in on it. > Mike Rich > 1943 M.P. and Company set. I'd appreciate any leads > you or your fellow > collectors might offer in explaining the > discrepancies on the backs > of some > cards. I'm also trying very hard to learn something > about Michael > Pressner, > his company, the choice of players for that set, > etc. So, again, I'd > be > thankful for any help. > Ron Rembert > Religion/Philosophy Department > Box 1214 Pyle Center > Wilmington College > Wilmington, OH. 45177 > 937-382-6661, ex. 210 > ron_rembert@wilmington.edu Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:25:41 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Not done yet I believe I've read that when the Sox raise the WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONSHIP banner at next years home opener....guess who'll be sitting in the visitor's dugout???!!! That's right...the boys from New York!!!! No offense, Yanks fans...well, maybe...it's our turn to gloat!!! As they say..."good things come to those that wait" and, if I may say so, there is some very "tasty" icing on THIS cake!!! Love those "idiots", Boston, and New England....to quote Argent..."Hold Your Head Up"!!! Well done BoSox!!!!!!!!!!!! ================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:08:56 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 1265 For anyone interested that hasn't gotten one yet, I have 6 copies of the Globe and one Herald. LMK, Ken M ================= To: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:48:47 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: I'm back! I last sent out a ton of cards last February and then had to pack 'em up todo some remodeling. Well I can finally get at them again and am anxious to work on my collection a bit, especially due to the post World Series withdrawals that I'm sure a bunch of us are feeling (Congrats to the Red Sox)!! Here's my wantlist which should be accurate .... http://home.comcast.net/~chuckparis/ One thing I'd like to get going on again is my T206 collection. Since I collect low grade and all front/back variations, there are a ton that I need.I don't have any T206 I can reciprocate with but I do have many 50's and 60's including stars and HOFers. I also have some pre-war dups but that isthe one box I haven't located yet. I'm not just interested in T206s though, so let me know if you have anything from my 52T and forward lists. Looking forward to hearing from some of you and welcome to the new guys since last Feb, ================= To: Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:48:20 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Well, I missed it.... The Series that is. Savary Island deals another blow, and really hit me hard this time. I had to make the last trip of the year, finish the insulation and take care of three rather large burn piles. I planned carefully, I thought. Head up while there is a break between the Playoffs and the Series, maybe miss watching the first four games, but I'd be home for sure in time for games 5, 6, and 7. And obviously there would be games 5, 6, and 7, right? Notttt. Not all was lost however, I did have my little radio up there, and caught the action the only way I could when I was a kid, since we couldn't afford a TV way back then. It brought back a ton of memories, and I could see myself sitting glued to the radio listening to Maz hit the game winning dinger in the 9th inning of the '60 Series, sending the Yanks packing, which of course is as it should be. Funny thing about radio, I couldn't pick anything up from Vancouver, about 100 miles away, but I got the games loud and clear from a station in Sacramento. I have never understood how that works. I'm really looking forward to catching a re-run of the low-light reel where the St. Louis pitcher choked and pretty much stopped between 3rd and home when he should have been able to crawl home. The radio announcer immediately called it the dumbest base running move in the history of baseball. Congrats to the Red Sox Nation, I'm really happy for you. I was also getting pretty tired of "The Curse" which as far as I can tell was never put on by Ruth anyways. "The Curse" has moved on to Chicago.take your pick, Cubs or White Sox. ================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 17:31:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Grant Rainsley , OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... --- Grant Rainsley wrote: I have > never understood how that works. AM radio waves are funny that way...I could give you the specifics if you have a nasty case of insomnia... > Congrats to the Red Sox Nation, I'm really happy for > you. I was also > getting pretty tired of "The Curse" which as far as > I can tell was never > put on by Ruth anyways. > "The Curse" has moved on to Chicago.take your pick, > Cubs or White Sox. Ironically, both the Cubs and White Sox have had a longer championship drought than the Sox...I think Chi-town fans have a few things to say about "only" waiting 86 years! Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:10:35 EDT To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... Listening on the radio was much better than listening to the TV annoucers, they were terrible! ================= Date: 30 Oct 2004 12:40:45 -0000 To: "Grant Rainsley" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... My tv was blocked by other family members so I listened to the series on KMOX. It is the best way to get the feel for a game for those old timers like me who grew up glued to the radio during series time. My elementary through high schools all allowed the series games to be broadcast during study halls and recesses (yikes!!! that means the series was played during the day!!), and many teachers would bring their radios to school for that purpose. Twas truly a different time back then. ------------- Original message follows ------------- The Series that is. Savary Island deals another blow, and really hit me hard this time. I had to make the last trip of the year, finish the insulation and take care of three rather large burn piles. I planned carefully, I thought. Head up while there is a break between the Playoffs and the Series, maybe miss watching the first four games, but I'd be home for sure in time for games 5, 6, and 7. And obviously there would be games 5, 6, and 7, right? Notttt. Not all was lost however, I did have my little radio up there, and caught the action the only way I could when I was a kid, since we couldn't afford a TV way back then. It brought back a ton of memories, and I could see myself sitting glued to the radio listening to Maz hit the game winning dinger in the 9th inning of the '60 Series, sending the Yanks packing, which of course is as it should be. Funny thing about radio, I couldn't pick anything up from Vancouver, about 100 miles away, but I got the games loud and clear from a station in Sacramento. I have never understood how that works. I'm really looking forward to catching a re-run of the low-light reel where the St. Louis pitcher choked and pretty much stopped between 3rd and home when he should have been able to crawl home. The radio announcer immediately called it the dumbest base running move in the history of baseball. Congrats to the Red Sox Nation, I'm really happy for you. I was also getting pretty tired of "The Curse" which as far as I can tell was never put on by Ruth anyways. "The Curse" has moved on to Chicago.take your pick, Cubs or White Sox. ================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:19:59 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... I beg to differ. I was working during games 2-3 and had to listen on the radio. Jon Miller was great but Joe Morgan makes Tim McCarver sound like a genius, and that's no easy task. > Grant, > Listening on the radio was much better than listening to the TV annoucers, > they were terrible! > Trips ================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:06:36 EDT To: tknowles@sofast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... Ouch! I can't beleive you think Buck and McCarver is better than Miller and ================= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 11:30:37 -0600 (MDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... I don't think Buck is better than Miller; I don't think anyone is better than Miller. I do think no one is worse than Joe Morgan, although McCarver is no great shakes either. The more I think about it, there aren't many good ex-ballplayer color men. Maybe Fox or ESPN should look into hiring Steve Stone-he's one of the better ones. > Todd, > Ouch! I can't beleive you think Buck and McCarver is better than Miller > and > Morgan! ================= To: , , Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 12:18:37 -0600 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... I absolutely agree with Trips!! I have ALWAYS felt that baseball was perfect for radio. TV baseball doesn't come close to the lifetime mental pictures painted with radio baseball and a great announcer. Anytime I work in the garage or the yard and have a baseball game playing in the background, I'm not working anymore- I'm in heaven having fun. Thanks for listening!! I'll get off my soapbox now- Marshall West ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: grains@dccnet.com ; OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Well, I missed it.... Listening on the radio was much better than listening to the TV annoucers, they were terrible! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Obc-Ramblings" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:49:03 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: WANTED WANTED ANY CONDITION: 1960 Topps #565.....it will finish that set. I'll find something for you. vintage wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=169083&ck ================= To: "Obc-Ramblings" Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:06:44 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: 70T booklets I believe that someone had a post for some 70T booklets the other day. I found a few dupes so if you are working on that set send me a list. Thanks! Mark Holland vintage wantlist @ http://home.bellsouth.net/p/s/community.dll?ep=16&groupid=169083&ck ================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:02:59 EST To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MP & Co. Info wanted There was an article in an old issue of VCBC that discussed the five possible back variations in the 1943 MP&Co set. They were along the lines of "blue ink, with team on back", "blue ink w/o team", "black ink with team and position", ================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:06:41 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Type card set launched....... with help. Please read A big hearty thanks to many great traders who have helped me launch this new If you open the attachment below you can see the progress that I have made in only 3 short weeks and while it looks like I haven't made a dent, I feel that I have. I would recommend that anyone who hasn't taken a shot at a collection like this try it, and I would be happy to make some contributions. Please tale a look and consider sending along anything from the list. I will always return something in reply. Thanks very much to everyone. Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:07 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Chicago bound To any of the OBC contingent in the Chicago area, I'll be up there Sunday afternoon. My wife & I are taking our oldest to see the University of Chicago. Arrivng at Midway around 12 or 1, probably staying in the downtown area Sunday night; touring the campus Monday & then back home. We don't have Sunday night plans yet, (although if the wea ther cooperates we may do some touristy stuff downtown) so if anyone is free & wants to journey downtown, drop me an email & we'll see what we can do. Tom H. ================= Date: 1 Nov 2004 04:35:20 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: If you've seen the Premier issue of OLD CARDBOARD magazine, what do you think about it? Poll closes 10-31. CHOICES AND RESULTS - VERY IMPRESSIVE! 10 stars!, 2 votes, 18.18% - IMPRESSIVE! 9 stars!, 0 votes, 0.00% - VERY NICE! 8 stars!, 5 votes, 45.45% - NICE! 7 stars :-), 1 votes, 9.09% - I like it! 6 stars :-), 1 votes, 9.09% - decent/avg :-), 0 votes, 0.00% - Needs a little work, 2 votes, 18.18% - Not too good (3/10), 0 votes, 0.00% - Slack! 2 on 10 scale, 0 votes, 0.00% - Virtually Worthless :-(, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - VERY IMPRESSIVE! 10 stars! - vrechek@ameritech.net - dsh46@aol.com - IMPRESSIVE! 9 stars! - VERY NICE! 8 stars! - geno.wagner@ntlworld.com - tply@aol.com - chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com - talbot1@comcast.net - alcattle@yahoo.com - NICE! 7 stars :-) - keithsummers@webtv.net - I like it! 6 stars :-) - meyergray@msn.com - decent/avg :-) - Needs a little work - biggies@aol.com - ochiai@mindspring.com - Not too good (3/10) - Slack! 2 on 10 scale - Virtually Worthless :-( For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! 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