================= Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:38:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Dealer scum offerings from good buy A local store that has a decent supply of OBC vintage and condition cards periodically runs a sale. This is a unique store in that cards are fairly graded (in my opinion) and are priced based upon their grading. They do not negotiate much or give quantity discounts and actually usually charge/collect sales tax. They run it like a legit retail business. They sometimes run daily specials that they advertise in the newspaper. On Tuesday supplies are 15% off; Wednesday complete sets 10% off, Thursday individual cards 20% off, etc. If you come in the wrong day they will not give you the sale price. You must follow the rules. That said, sometimes they get in a collection or a box that they have not yet priced up. I have picked up a couple of good buys by purchasing lots or boxes. Yesterday (De. 31) they ran a 50% everything in the store to reduce inventory for the New Year. I picked up 2 boxes of 15 count sheets (the type used for T cards) for $7.50 a box (plus 6% sales tax)a single Berk Ross Bill Sharman card that I needed and the following stars. These were all graded Good (although this is due to either crease(s) or soft corners - NO writing, holes, tears, etc.), so I think that is reasonable to tough grades for these. He prices his Good cards at 15% of high book. So half off means these are at 7.5% of high book. I have all of these and would be happy to dealer scum (sell them to you at my cost, please remember 6% sales tax was paid) them to any OBCer who needs them. Price listed is what I paid. 1960 #326 Clemente $13.00 1962 #199 Gaylord Perry rookie $6.00 1962 #471 Mantle All-Star $15.00 1963 #3 NL HR Leaders with Mays, Aaron, F. Robby Banks & Cepeda (WOW) 1964 #182 Sox Sockers with Yaz & Schilling $1.15 1964 #150 Mays $7.50 1966 #300 Clemente (only graded Fair but still looks nice in plastic) 1970 #712 Ryan $16.50 (corners are a little soft and there are at least 2 creases in the lower left)but getting a high number Ryan for 7.5% of book is tough. 1968 Topps FB #219B blue checklist. A couple of creases but unmarked. $1.50 1968 Topps FB #219B Grades poor because this one is marked in pencil. Obviously I gave strong thought to keeping these in my dupe box to send out to OBCers, but decided I would offer these up to those who do not have the opportunity to pick up deals like this. Hope know one minds this. Also, only 1 of each available. If anyone needs some and feels I have not properly reciprocated for packages sent to me, please LMK and they are yours at n/c. Trades for cards on my lists are also encouraged. I apologize if this post offends anyone, but I did try to properly label it. Do not forget that the 15 count T card pages are also available (whole box or individual pages), although postage may negate any savings on these. Happy collecting in the New Year. Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:56:09 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds I don't think anyone contests his talent. there was never a question the guy could hit/run/field. Personally I think his arm has been questionable (Sid Bream) and many people will argue that his power numbers are artificialy inflated (steroids) but, the point here is a moral one. If Bonds signs his own (more lucrative) liscensing agreements, don't you think that the cost will get passed on to the consuer? The way I see it, bonds is making a few extra million by taxing his fans for being his fans. Or, by taxing his fans parents :). So, Barry Bonds wants a couple million more on his pile, and Joe on the street with a kid who is crazy about Bonds must pay $10 more for a Bonds jersey. Is there some way we could get Barry to explain this? Of corse he has a right to make money of his hard work, but does he really think that the "extra" he makes will come from the companies? nope, from the consumer. And, this goes back to the whole revenue sharing thing.... Would Barry be able to make this money if all the other players didn't sign? Would there be any sort of baseball card market if there were 7 different companies each with 1/7th of the players? It isn't Barry Bonds, it is Baseball. If Barry quit tomorrow, would it hurt the game? I think not. I don't think baseball would miss a beat. If Barry quit tomorrow, the next day's headline would be that A-rod is half way to Aaron's HR mark. Do you think Barry has ever collected baseball cards? do you think he knows what his decision did to my collection? I have been waiting for years for Topps to put real league leader cards back into their regular sets. They finally do, and now I have this silly card with the #2 guys picture missing. Why? Because Barry Bonds feels cheated... he deserves more money. I'm doing my best not to let my emotions get into this, but it is very difficult. I personally have been delt an injustice, and there seems to be absolutly nothing I can do about it. Maybe I can go after Topps for printing this ridiculous card? All that will get me is higher still card prices. Ok, I'm done. Anyone have any ideas, let me know. Can you tell I'm furious? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds > I do NOT think Bonds is an ass. He is a smart business man. He is also > one of the top 10 greatest all around players of all time I'd say :-) > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:43:12 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, keithsummers@webtv.net From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds Simple solution, leave the new stuff alone and collect the old beaters. Of course, I say that "Tough in Cheek" the card companies and modern day players destroyed the hobby (New Cards) long ago. ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:05:38 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, XDrJ@aol.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... Add me to the talley... I have the: 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) 40C Warren Spain OCR (born 1921) The 40B kind of reminds me of what my drivers license looked like in high-school before I'd head off to the liquor store. Pat Sweeney In a message dated 12/30/2003 8:20:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net writes: I have the B version as well. I think that they did this on purpose to try to just make it look like a 2. I looked at it under my little eyglass and it really does look like a 2, except you can tell it is different from the other 2 nearby. I think we should get scans of all 3 on the web page! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: XDrJ@AOL.COM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautiful one at that! But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the 1959 Spahn #40 card. Using the Big Beckett book terminology: 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent to Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen the seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there? OBC is good..... doc J ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:09:22 -0500 (EST) To: seanobc@comcast.net (Sean McGowan) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds Thank You Sean, my feelings exactly! I keep hearing "it's a business" in response to the inflated salaries, memorabilia costs and endorsements. Smart "businessmen" know that they have a responsibility to their customers to hold down costs. Owners, players & card companies seem not to understand that ultimately their money comes from the fan. If the average fan can't afford to take their families to games, where are the fans of the future going to come from. Who will occupy the general admission seats? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:41:02 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, Smartalecx@aol.com, seanobc@comcast.net, From: Sweendoger@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass This Pre-Fox owned Dodger Fan/Giant hater :) is just curious.... what do you think about Pete Rose? Again, just curious. In a message dated 12/31/2003 3:57:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, tply@aol.com As a Giants Partial Season Ticket Holder I will take the unpopular view that I love to watch Barry Bonds play ball and all the other stuff I ignore. I only focus on the accomplishments between the white lines. Barry is incredible on the ball field! Happy New Year OBC! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:14:50 EST To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds I thought for SURE you would be able to find deals on "Cardinals" cards! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds Date: 1/1/2004 2:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time From: seventytwop@hotmail.com (Fr. Patrick Wattigny) To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, Hello all from Rome!!! All that said, Rome is wonderful! Finally it cleared up today after three days of rain in Rome, Florence and Assisi. There's still no baseball cards over here, or maybe I just haven't found the right spot. After all, I won't find them at the Vatican!!! LOL God bless you all in 2004, I'll remember you all in my intentions as I celebrate Mass at St. Peter's tomorrow morning, and in the catacombs Saturday. Padre Patrizio! ================= Date: 1 Jan 2004 20:40:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: T-205 available After Andy's great smash of my 205 list I rechecked my binder and found an extra of Buck Herzog, available for anybody who's working on the set. ================= Date: 1 Jan 2004 20:40:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: T-205 available After Andy's great smash of my 205 list I rechecked my binder and found an extra of Buck Herzog, available for anybody who's working on the set. ================= Date: 1 Jan 2004 21:13:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Herzog card. Rob Gioia got first dibs on this one. ================= Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:24:04 -0500 To: "Sean McGowan" , From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds I think your points are fair Sean, But I also think that you are assuming Bonds is doing it merely for greater financial rewards. Now I'm not going to pretend to know what he is thinking (which is maybe an impossible task), but truthfully in his position I would do the same thing if nothing else than to have a little more say on something that my face is going to be all over increasingly as the months and next few years come along, especially if I was closing on a major record. I think Barry mainly wants more control rather than more money. And if that is the reason than I don't blame him as I would want the same, lest we see a billion lame excuses to put him on cardboard in every possible insert set you can stomach. Just my thoughts on it, At 10:56 AM 1/1/2004 -0500, Sean McGowan wrote: >If Bonds signs his own (more lucrative) liscensing agreements, don't you think >that the cost will get passed on >to the consuer? The way I see it, bonds is making a >few extra million by taxing his fans for being his fans. Or, >by taxing his fans parents :). ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) To: Wantlist OBC , From: John Pugsley Subject: Demoofing My Spider Hole ~ Availables - FCFS (55, 66 & 67 Topps) Just cleaning out the ole spider hole a little, FCFS on these cards. 1955 Topps (Dups from Ken Morganti) - thanks again Ken for the nice batch 59, 61, 62, 101, 114, 121, 132, 141 1966 Topps 11, 14, 23, 78, 80, 94, 130 1967 Topps 31, 39, 46, 89, 97(x2), 219, 233, 237, 338, 351, 395, 410 http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:51:34 EST To: Sweendoger@aol.com, Smartalecx@aol.com, seanobc@comcast.net, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass For many that know, know I believe Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. As for what I think of him? I don't want him living next door to me and we wouldn't be buddies but, I love the way he played ball. ================= To: Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:58:05 -0500 From: "Brian Dwyer" Subject: 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams The '54 Wilson Franks set is one of the neatest regional issues from the 50s in my opinion. I always hear how hard to find (maybe just in "nice" condition) the Williams card is. If this is true, and if any of you regional collectors have been looking for one, this is an interesting auction to follow. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2777534111&category55917 Brian Dwyer ================= To: , Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:53:18 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds > to have a little more say on > something that my face is going to be all over > increasingly as the months > and next few years come along Ok, I'll give you this. But if Barry just wants controll, he should have a clue exactly what he is controlling. Maybe topps is at fault for not comunicating what the "needs" of the set are. I'm not sure that I can imagine lawyers and agents for Barry caring about too many details regarding the cards.... Do any collectors like us work for Topps? I think it is time I ranted to ================= Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 00:46:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Coker Subject: deadball era books/resources & any SABR members? And Happy New Year! Recently I've been reading a lot of books on the Deadball Era (around 1900-1919). It's amazing what books I'm finding at the UGA library! Anybody out there want to recommend any? I've recently read: The Unforgettable Season My Thirty Years in Baseball The Glory of Their Times Baseballs Golden Age Image of Their Greatness And I've read some newsletters from the SABR Deadball Era Committee. Which leads me to my next question. Are any of you members of SABR? I've thought about joining, but haven't decided if it's worth the annual $50 fee. Are the SABR annual publications alone, worth the price of admission? Any opinions/comments welcome. Lastly, does anybody own any of the annual Spalding Baseball Guides that were published between around 1900-1919? I've been watching on eBay and it looks like the SB Guides are going for around $100-200 depending on condition...and other factors, of course. I'm not sure I want to pay that price right now, so I was wondering if any of you that own one of those Guides could chime in and describe what they are really like. I've never seen one live :) They sound really cool (photo's, schedules, stats, etc.) But I'm just reluctant to bid over $100 w/o the benefit of more info. and descriptions of those guides. I think one would make a great addition to my growing baseball memorbilia collection. Also, I know Spalding *and* Reach published marketing and other type baseball pubs. (pocket schedules...) during that era. Anybody that owns any of those pubs. care to comment? Thanks in advance! PS: Man...the Dawgs almost bit *themselves* in the butt today. Gotta' take care of the football and know how to finish a game ;) Jerry Coker ================= To: "OBC" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:28:59 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Subject: 10c Boxes Today while updating my ebay information, I discovered my entire Topps wantlist is now included in my "Favorite Searches". I need just 100 Topps cardsfor a complete run! (1952 Topps HI numbers don't count since I am not trying for these) If I added correctly there are 15,852 regular Topps cards pre1980, and 15,752 of them reside with me. It doesn't seem to be that long ago when I thought I would attempt the impossible and try for the whole 1965 Topps set. When we started OBC back in 1991 my wantlist grew, and I finally included all of the Topps sets. It has taken me over 12 years, but with a large family to raise I had limited fundsavailable for my collection. I still enjoy playing with these wondrous pieces of cardboard. My collection now includes some of the early Fleer sets, early Bowman sets, and many of the Topps 60s insert sets. One thing has changed. Back in the early and mid 90s nobody placed much value on the off grade stuff. Up till then I never paid more than $20 for a single card, and these included some of the biggest names out there. Today I am very surprised at what some of the off grade stuff sells for on ebay, and most of my bids fall short. These bargain priced cards that we all searched so hard for have actually become worth some $$$ too. I would REALLY like to attend another major card show in the near future. With all my kids grown up and being single again, it should happen soon. That would be fun. But I do miss those awesome 10c boxes we use to see in the early ================= Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 08:37:47 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds Perhaps you could get a deal on a Dave Pope card......(now there's an obscure reference.....) ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: >I thought for SURE you would be able to find deals on "Cardinals" cards!   >========Original Message======== >Subj:   Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds >Date:   1/1/2004 2:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time   >From:    seventytwop@hotmail.com (Fr. Patrick Wattigny) >To:    seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, >     >Hello all from Rome!!! >   >All that said, Rome is wonderful!  Finally it cleared up today after three >days of rain in Rome, Florence and Assisi.  There's still no baseball cards over >here, or maybe I just haven't found the right spot.  After all, I won't find >them at the Vatican!!! LOL God bless you all in 2004, I'll remember you all in >my intentions as I celebrate Mass at St. Peter's tomorrow morning, and in the >catacombs Saturday. >Padre Patrizio! ================= To: , Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 08:43:26 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] deadball era books/resources & any SABR members? I'm a member of SABR and find that it is worth the $50 a year. There are a number of publications sent out each year that are very good, there's also an online email list (kinda like our ramblings) that is very informative. At one point I had almost all the Reach guides from 1900-1919. They were fun and included many great pictures and articles. More than 1/2 the book is dedicated to various minor league teams also. I sold off my guides on Ebay, to finance my BB Card collecting, and got between $35 and $140. Almost all sold for under $100, so I think if you are patient you should be able to pick one up for less that $100. If you don't mind not having a cover, you should be able to get one for $25-35. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Coker" To: Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 12:46 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] deadball era books/resources & any SABR members? > Hello: > And Happy New Year! > Recently I've been reading a lot of books on the Deadball Era (around > 1900-1919). It's amazing what books I'm finding at the UGA library! > Anybody out there want to recommend any? I've recently read: > The Unforgettable Season > My Thirty Years in Baseball > The Glory of Their Times > Baseballs Golden Age > Image of Their Greatness > And I've read some newsletters from the SABR Deadball Era Committee. > Which leads me to my next question. Are any of you members of SABR? > I've thought about joining, but haven't decided if it's worth the annual > $50 fee. Are the SABR annual publications alone, worth the price of > admission? Any opinions/comments welcome. > Lastly, does anybody own any of the annual Spalding Baseball Guides that > were published between around 1900-1919? I've been watching on eBay and > it looks like the SB Guides are going for around $100-200 depending on > condition...and other factors, of course. I'm not sure I want to pay > that price right now, so I was wondering if any of you that own one of > those Guides could chime in and describe what they are really like. > I've never seen one live :) They sound really cool (photo's, schedules, > stats, etc.) But I'm just reluctant to bid over $100 w/o the benefit of > more info. and descriptions of those guides. I think one would make a > great addition to my growing baseball memorbilia collection. Also, I > know Spalding *and* Reach published marketing and other type baseball > pubs. (pocket schedules...) during that era. Anybody that owns any of > those pubs. care to comment? > Thanks in advance! > PS: Man...the Dawgs almost bit *themselves* in the butt today. Gotta' > take care of the football and know how to finish a game ;) > -- > Jerry Coker > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:04:48 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Speaking of Pete Rose- from the NY Times Op-Ed Contributor: The Confessions of Pete Rose January 2, 2004 By FAY VINCENT VERO BEACH, Fla. So word is that Pete Rose finally admits in his new book that he bet on baseball. I guess I am supposed to feel vindicated since he spent the last 14 years calling John Dowd and me names. Mr. Dowd was the baseball lawyer who did the investigation of Mr. Rose and prepared a report we're now told was accurate. Next we're likely to have the spectacle of Mr. Rose being embraced by Bud Selig, the baseball commissioner, and, like the Prodigal Son, ushered to the front row of baseball's most honored citizens. Pardon me while I rise to urge some caution. Ever since St. Augustine set the bar pretty high, there has been a certain style to confessional tomes. Now we have a mea culpa by Mr. Rose and no saint is he. Augustine, having lived it up, saw the light and wrote with a sense of guilt and regret. He even anguished over having stolen a pear. Early reports are that Mr. Rose confronts his past with very little remorse. Between him and Augustine, there is little doubt whose book will live longer. Why are we hearing from Mr. Rose now? Credit Mr. Selig for insisting on the admission of betting before letting Mr. Rose in baseball again. It's possible that Mr. Rose wants some of the big money being paid top managers like Joe Torre. But I think there is more at work here. A player has 20 years after he last played to be elected by the baseball writers to the Hall of Fame. After that time has run out, the election can be done only by the living members of the Hall. Thus, Mr. Rose, who last played in 1986, is running out of time. He knows his best shot is with the writers, many of whom share the view that the only conduct that counts is what took place on the field. The Hall of Famers are a cranky lot who last year failed to elect Marvin Miller, who led the players union and whose credentials are solid gold. So Mr. Rose, a careful historian of the game, is playing the odds wisely. Nothing wrong so far. Now the issue for Mr. Selig is what to do. I suggest that if Mr. Rose is to be reinstated to full rights in baseball, there should be a two-year period of transition. During this time, I would require Mr. Rose to travel the baseball highway to spell out to youngsters and fans why gambling is a threat to the game and why his decisions as manager were corrupted by betting on one game and not another. The sincerity of his redemption can be tested and he will have done some public service to earn his way back. After all, the issue now is not what is best for Mr. Rose, but what is best for baseball. The two-year delay in reinstatement will give him one shot at being elected by the writers. And then, if he fails that, he may receive the honor via the Hall of Famers themselves. And I can live with that, as I suspect most fans would, though I am not at all certain his election is a sure bet, if I may be excused that term. I also suggest that Mr. Selig pardon all those whose names are still on the ineligible list, including Max Lanier, banned for jumping to the Mexican League to make more money, a Phillies owner who bet on his team and was tossed out and, of course, Shoeless Joe Jackson, whose participation in the Black Sox betting scandal might in today's jurisprudence be excused by his diminished capacity to have known fully what he was doing. Perhaps this will be the end of the whole sorry Pete Rose case. As the baseball commmissioner at the time, Bart Giamatti, said when he announced that Mr. Rose had agreed to banishment, baseball has been hurt, badly, by Mr. Rose's actions. Now as we confront his plea for mercy and a second chance, we ought to remind ourselves of Mr. Giamatti's wisdom in identifying the pain inflicted by such a great player. I only wish Mr. Rose had a better sense of why Augustine's "Confessions" strike such a chord with the rest of us sinners. Fay Vincent was commissioner of Major League Baseball from 1989 to 1992. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/02/opinion/02VINC.html?ex1074073598&ei1 Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! Click here: http://www.nytimes.com/ads/nytcirc/index.html HOW TO ADVERTISE For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 12:55:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Back on line!!!! A belated Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all in OBC! I have been unable to get into my Yahoo account since before Christmas. Apparently, my password was changed and not by me! I just got back on at 3:45 ET today. I want to thank Ben Fisher for helping out with some information. What have I missed? Terry Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:25:10 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: re: Home Address List Hey guys - I've been contacted by one of the guys who has AOL who is havingproblems with the H.A.L. He isn't receiving it at all, and is only able to view a small portion of the uploaded file on Yahoo groups. Are any of you other AOLers having the same problem? LMK if you are, and if anyone has a suggestion as to what might be going on, please LMK about that. Thanks! ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:27:08 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Pugsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 976 If this doesn't post properly to Sean's Rambling about Bonds' Ass then I appologize. I can receive the Ramblings and the other Group e-mails but I can't sign into the Groups. Yahoo says I'm not a member of any Groups. It's a conspiracy I think. Anyway, I agree with Carlos. I think Bonds wants more control over the use of his image. Lets face it, since he started taking "nutritional supplements" he's gained a ton of weight. He probably wants to make sure all his photos are retouched to remove any unflatering features (love handles, double chin, etc). Or maybe he'll airbrush off that ridiculously huge elbow pad he wears. Is he a baseball player or a gladiator? My two cents worth. Heck I gave up on baseball years ago and this past year I had a blast watching NASCAR! Those good ole boys are very patriotic and love their fans. Ok, back to cleaning out my Spider Hole. These discussions are very healthy. Vent all you want Sean. I think it's John Pugsley --- OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com wrote: > There are 17 messages in this issue. > Topics in this digest: > 1. Dealer scum offerings from good buy > From: "mikesportsfan" > 2. Re: Barry Bonds > From: "Sean McGowan" > 3. Re: Barry Bonds > From: tply@aol.com > 4. Re: '59 Spahn variation question... > From: Sweendoger@aol.com > 5. Re: Barry Bonds > From: Originaleek@webtv.net > 6. Re: just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an > ass > From: Sweendoger@aol.com > 7. Re: Barry Bonds > From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" > > 8. Re: Barry Bonds > From: ChicoD1@aol.com > 9. T-205 available > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > > 10. T-205 available > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > > 11. Herzog card. > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > > 12. Re: Barry Bonds > From: Carlos Alcazar > 13. Demoofing My Spider Hole ~ Availables - FCFS > (55, 66 & 67 Topps) > From: John Pugsley > 14. Re: just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an > ass > From: tply@aol.com > 15. 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams > From: "Brian Dwyer" > 16. Re: Barry Bonds > From: "Sean McGowan" > 17. deadball era books/resources & any SABR members? > From: Jerry Coker > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:38:25 -0000 > From: "mikesportsfan" > Subject: Dealer scum offerings from good buy > A local store that has a decent supply of OBC vintage and > condition > cards periodically runs a sale. This is a unique store > in that cards > are fairly graded (in my opinion) and are priced based > upon their > grading. They do not negotiate much or give quantity > discounts and > actually usually charge/collect sales tax. They run it > like a legit > retail business. They sometimes run daily specials that > they > advertise in the newspaper. On Tuesday supplies are 15% > off; > Wednesday complete sets 10% off, Thursday individual > cards 20% off, > etc. If you come in the wrong day they will not give you > the sale > price. You must follow the rules. That said, sometimes > they get in > a collection or a box that they have not yet priced up. > I have > picked up a couple of good buys by purchasing lots or > boxes. > Yesterday (De. 31) they ran a 50% everything in the store > to reduce > inventory for the New Year. I picked up 2 boxes of 15 > count sheets > (the type used for T cards) for $7.50 a box (plus 6% > sales tax)a > single Berk Ross Bill Sharman card that I needed and the > following > stars. These were all graded Good (although this is due > to either > crease(s) or soft corners - NO writing, holes, tears, > etc.), so I > think that is reasonable to tough grades for these. He > prices his > Good cards at 15% of high book. So half off means these > are at 7.5% > of high book. I have all of these and would be happy to > dealer scum > (sell them to you at my cost, please remember 6% sales > tax was paid) > them to any OBCer who needs them. Price listed is what I > paid. > 1960 #326 Clemente $13.00 > 1962 #199 Gaylord Perry rookie $6.00 > 1962 #471 Mantle All-Star $15.00 > 1963 #3 NL HR Leaders with Mays, Aaron, F. Robby Banks & > Cepeda (WOW) > $3.00 > 1964 #182 Sox Sockers with Yaz & Schilling $1.15 > 1964 #150 Mays $7.50 > 1966 #300 Clemente (only graded Fair but still looks nice > in plastic) > $7.50 > 1970 #712 Ryan $16.50 (corners are a little soft and > there are at > least 2 creases in the lower left)but getting a high > number Ryan for > 7.5% of book is tough. > 1968 Topps FB #219B blue checklist. A couple of creases > but > unmarked. $1.50 > 1968 Topps FB #219B Grades poor because this one is > marked in pencil. > $.50 > Obviously I gave strong thought to keeping these in my > dupe box to > send out to OBCers, but decided I would offer these up to > those who > do not have the opportunity to pick up deals like this. > Hope know > one minds this. Also, only 1 of each available. If > anyone needs > some and feels I have not properly reciprocated for > packages sent to > me, please LMK and they are yours at n/c. Trades for > cards on my > lists are also encouraged. I apologize if this post > offends anyone, > but I did try to properly label it. Do not forget that > the 15 count > T card pages are also available (whole box or individual > pages), > although postage may negate any savings on these. > Happy collecting in the New Year. > Mike Rich > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 10:56:09 -0500 > From: "Sean McGowan" > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > I don't think anyone contests his talent. there was > never > a question the guy could hit/run/field. Personally I > think > his arm has been questionable (Sid Bream) and many > people will argue that his power numbers are artificialy > inflated (steroids) but, the point here is a moral one. > If > Bonds signs his own (more lucrative) liscensing > agreements, don't you think > that the cost will get passed on > to the consuer? The way I see it, bonds is making a > few extra million by taxing his fans for being his fans. > Or, > by taxing his fans parents :). So, Barry Bonds wants > a couple million more on his pile, and Joe on the street > with a kid who is crazy about Bonds must pay $10 more > for a Bonds jersey. Is there some way we could get > Barry to explain this? Of corse he has a right to make > money of his hard work, but does he really think that > the "extra" he makes will come from the companies? > nope, from the consumer. And, this goes back to the > whole revenue sharing thing.... Would Barry be able to > make this money if all the other players didn't sign? > Would there be any sort of baseball card market if there > were 7 different companies each with 1/7th of the > players? > It isn't Barry Bonds, it is Baseball. If Barry quit > tomorrow, > would it hurt the game? I think not. I don't think > baseball > would miss a beat. If Barry quit tomorrow, the next > day's headline would be that A-rod is half way to Aaron's > HR mark. > Do you think Barry has ever collected baseball cards? > do you think he knows what his decision did to my > collection? I have been waiting for years for Topps to > put real league leader cards back into their regular > sets. > They finally do, and now I have this silly card with the > #2 guys picture missing. Why? Because Barry Bonds > feels cheated... he deserves more money. I'm doing my > best not to let my emotions get into this, but it is very > difficult. I personally have been delt an injustice, and > there > seems to be absolutly nothing I can do about it. Maybe > I can go after Topps for printing this ridiculous card? > All that will get me is higher still card prices. Ok, > I'm > done. Anyone have any ideas, let me know. Can > you tell I'm furious? > Sean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 11:35 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds > > I do NOT think Bonds is an ass. He is a smart business > man. He is also > > one of the top 10 greatest all around players of all > time I'd say :-) > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 11:43:12 EST > From: tply@aol.com > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > Simple solution, leave the new stuff alone and collect > the old beaters. Of > course, I say that "Tough in Cheek" the card companies > and modern day players > destroyed the hobby (New Cards) long ago. > Trips > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:05:38 EST > From: Sweendoger@aol.com > Subject: Re: '59 Spahn variation question... > Add me to the talley... I have the: > 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is > partially obscured) > 40C Warren Spain OCR (born 1921) > The 40B kind of reminds me of what my drivers license > looked like in > high-school before I'd head off to the liquor store. > Pat Sweeney > In a message dated 12/30/2003 8:20:29 AM Pacific Standard > Time, > seanobc@comcast.net writes: > I have the B version as well. I think that they did this > on > purpose to try to just make it look like a 2. I looked > at it > under my little eyglass and it really does look like a 2, > except you can tell it is different from the other 2 > nearby. > I think we should get scans of all 3 on the web page! :) > Sean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: XDrJ@AOL.COM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:20 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... > With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, > and a beautiful one > at that! > But I need help in understanding what appears to be three > prints of the 1959 > Spahn #40 card. > Using the Big Beckett book terminology: > 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) > 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is > partially obscured) > 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) > It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one > that AL sent to > me!!! > Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have > never seen the > seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. > What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out > there? > OBC is good..... doc J > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:09:22 -0500 (EST) > From: Originaleek@webtv.net > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > Thank You Sean, my feelings exactly! > I keep hearing "it's a business" in response to the > inflated salaries, > memorabilia costs and endorsements. Smart "businessmen" > know that they > have a responsibility to their customers to hold down > costs. Owners, > players & card companies seem not to understand that > ultimately their > money comes from the fan. If the average fan can't afford > to take their > families to games, where are the fans of the future going > to come from. > Who will occupy the general admission seats? > We keep what we give away! > EEK > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 13:41:02 EST > From: Sweendoger@aol.com > Subject: Re: just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an > ass > Trip: > This Pre-Fox owned Dodger Fan/Giant hater :) is just > curious.... what do you > think about Pete Rose? > Again, just curious. > Pat > In a message dated 12/31/2003 3:57:29 PM Pacific Standard > Time, tply@aol.com > writes: > As a Giants Partial Season Ticket Holder I will take the > unpopular view that > I love to watch Barry Bonds play ball and all the other > stuff I ignore. I only > focus on the accomplishments between the white lines. > Barry is incredible on > the ball field! > Happy New Year OBC! > Trips > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 13:57:53 -0600 > From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > [This message is not in displayable format] > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:14:50 EST > From: ChicoD1@aol.com > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > I thought for SURE you would be able to find deals on > "Cardinals" cards! > ========Original Message======== > Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds > Date: 1/1/2004 2:59:27 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: seventytwop@hotmail.com (Fr. Patrick Wattigny) > To: seanobc@comcast.net, > OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, > keithsummers@webtv.net > Hello all from Rome!!! > All that said, Rome is wonderful! Finally it cleared up > today after three > days of rain in Rome, Florence and Assisi. There's still > no baseball cards over > here, or maybe I just haven't found the right spot. > After all, I won't find > them at the Vatican!!! LOL God bless you all in 2004, > I'll remember you all in > my intentions as I celebrate Mass at St. Peter's tomorrow > morning, and in the > catacombs Saturday. > Ciao! > Padre Patrizio! > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 9 > Date: 1 Jan 2004 20:40:03 -0000 > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > Subject: T-205 available > After Andy's great smash of my 205 list I rechecked my > binder and found an > extra of Buck Herzog, available for anybody who's working > on the set. > Bama > Message: 10 > Date: 1 Jan 2004 20:40:03 -0000 > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > Subject: T-205 available > After Andy's great smash of my 205 list I rechecked my > binder and found an > extra of Buck Herzog, available for anybody who's working > on the set. > Bama > Message: 11 > Date: 1 Jan 2004 21:13:54 -0000 > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > Subject: Herzog card. > Rob Gioia got first dibs on this one. > Bama > Message: 12 > Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 18:24:04 -0500 > From: Carlos Alcazar > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > I think your points are fair Sean, > But I also think that you are assuming Bonds is doing it > merely for greater > financial rewards. Now I'm not going to pretend to know > what he is thinking > (which is maybe an impossible task), but truthfully in > his position I would > do the same thing if nothing else than to have a little > more say on > something that my face is going to be all over > increasingly as the months > and next few years come along, especially if I was > closing on a major record. > I think Barry mainly wants more control rather than more > money. And if that > is the reason than I don't blame him as I would want the > same, lest we see > a billion lame excuses to put him on cardboard in every > possible insert set > you can stomach. > Just my thoughts on it, > Carlos > At 10:56 AM 1/1/2004 -0500, Sean McGowan wrote: > >If Bonds signs his own (more lucrative) liscensing > agreements, don't you think > >that the cost will get passed on > >to the consuer? The way I see it, bonds is making a > >few extra million by taxing his fans for being his fans. > Or, > >by taxing his fans parents :). > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 15:38:44 -0800 (PST) > From: John Pugsley > Subject: Demoofing My Spider Hole ~ Availables - FCFS > (55, 66 & 67 Topps) > Just cleaning out the ole spider hole a little, FCFS on > these cards. > 1955 Topps (Dups from Ken Morganti) - thanks again Ken > for > the nice batch > 59, 61, 62, 101, 114, 121, 132, 141 > 1966 Topps > 11, 14, 23, 78, 80, 94, 130 > 1967 Topps > 31, 39, 46, 89, 97(x2), 219, 233, 237, 338, 351, 395, 410 > ===== > http://johnpugsley.20m.com > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 20:51:34 EST > From: tply@aol.com > Subject: Re: just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an > ass > Pat, > For many that know, know I believe Pete Rose should be in > the Hall of Fame. > As for what I think of him? I don't want him living next > door to me and we > wouldn't be buddies but, I love the way he played ball. > Trips > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 21:58:05 -0500 > From: "Brian Dwyer" > Subject: 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams > The '54 Wilson Franks set is one of the neatest regional > issues from the 50s in my opinion. I always hear how > hard to find (maybe just in "nice" condition) the > Williams card is. If this is true, and if any of you > regional collectors have been looking for one, this is an > interesting auction to follow. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2777534111&category=55917 > Brian Dwyer > [This message contained attachments] > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:53:18 -0500 > From: "Sean McGowan" > Subject: Re: Barry Bonds > > to have a little more say on > > something that my face is going to be all over > > increasingly as the months > > and next few years come along > > > Ok, I'll give you this. But if Barry just wants > controll, > he should have a clue exactly what he is controlling. > Maybe topps is at fault for not comunicating what > the "needs" of the set are. I'm not sure that I can > imagine lawyers and agents for Barry caring about too > many details regarding the cards.... Do any collectors > like us work for Topps? I think it is time I ranted to > them. > Sean > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2004 00:46:58 -0500 > From: Jerry Coker > Subject: deadball era books/resources & any SABR members? > Hello: > And Happy New Year! > Recently I've been reading a lot of books on the Deadball > Era (around > 1900-1919). It's amazing what books I'm finding at the > UGA library! > Anybody out there want to recommend any? I've recently > read: > The Unforgettable Season > My Thirty Years in Baseball > The Glory of Their Times > Baseballs Golden Age > Image of Their Greatness > And I've read some newsletters from the SABR Deadball Era > Committee. > Which leads me to my next question. Are any of you > members of SABR? > I've thought about joining, but haven't decided if it's > worth the annual > $50 fee. Are the SABR annual publications alone, worth > the price of > admission? Any opinions/comments welcome. > Lastly, does anybody own any of the annual Spalding > Baseball Guides that > were published between around 1900-1919? I've been > watching on eBay and > it looks like the SB Guides are going for around $100-200 > depending on > condition...and other factors, of course. I'm not sure I > want to pay > that price right now, so I was wondering if any of you > that own one of > those Guides could chime in and describe what they are > really like. > I've never seen one live :) They sound really cool > (photo's, schedules, > stats, etc.) But I'm just reluctant to bid over $100 w/o > the benefit of > more info. and descriptions of those guides. I think one > would make a > great addition to my growing baseball memorbilia > collection. Also, I > know Spalding *and* Reach published marketing and other > type baseball > pubs. (pocket schedules...) during that era. Anybody > that owns any of > those pubs. care to comment? > Thanks in advance! > PS: Man...the Dawgs almost bit *themselves* in the butt > today. Gotta' > take care of the football and know how to finish a game > ;) > -- > Jerry Coker > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 02:54:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "pearceg2" Subject: Re: Speaking of Pete Rose- from the NY Times Last August, Baseball Prospectus broke the story that there was already a signed agreement IN PLACE between Rose and Major League Baseball that Rose would be removed from the ineligible list before the start of the 2004 season. MLB's spin doctors immediately dismissed the report as (among other things) "wholly inaccurate," "unsubstantiated and totally unfounded," and -- my favorite -- "unfortunate and journalistically irresponsible." Like every other word out of Selig's mouth, MLB's official response appears to be wholly inaccurate, totally unfounded, unfortunate, and journalistically irresponsible. It's been 4 months since the story broke, but that still doesn't diminish the stench of Rose's now-certain reinstatement and media The only response MLB *should* have to Rose's claims is to resume their suspended investigation into Rose's betting activities... an investigation which did assert that Rose bet on Reds games while serving as their manager, a discovery that -- under MLB's rules -- would compel Rose's permanent ineligibility..... not that MLB's rules of procedure mean anything to Selig when he has an agenda to pursue. Rose is in the unfortunate position of having to reveal he bet on baseball, but he can't be found guilty of betting on Reds games. If MLB decides to take the word of the convicted felon at face value that he bet on MLB games, but not on Reds games, it would be the crowning achievement of Selig elevating him to truly the most corrupt, most contemptible, most reprehensible figure ever to be associated with Major League Baseball.... the one figure responsible for the most long-term damage to the integrity and competitiveness of Major League Baseball. Of course, many would argue that Selig is already there. Billy Martin's famous quote about Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner couldn't be more appropriate if he said it about Bud Selig and Pete Rose: Those two deserve each other. One's a born liar and the other's convicted. ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:13:14 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Speaking of Pete Rose- from the NY Times You know, I really don't get all this fuss. Rose is a hall of famer period. The guy's accomplishments are undeniable. I had a much bigger problem with guys like Ferguson Jenkins being caught with drugs (isn't he in the hall?) and guys like Steve Howe getting 57 reprieves. These guys did something that is actually illegal. I don't remember either of them actually serving any time. Rose was undeniably the best hitter of our time and possibly of all time. He taught me how to play the game with a passion, to give whatever you had to win the game. I still play that way, I even run to first on a walk to this day. Kids maybe shouldn't take is off the field work to heart, but I would show any kid videos of Pete playing to show them how to have passion, play hard, and have a desire to be your best, even when he was well into his 30s. And not to mention that this guy KNOWS the history of baseball. I would doubt that 75% of todays players know about the guys like Curt Flood, etc who gave them what they have today... and also..Marvin Miller-- Hall of Famer. Like him or not, he changed the entire landscape of the game. ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Speaking of Pete Rose- from the NY Times Date: 1/2/2004 9:55:05 PM Eastern Standard Time From: pearceg@comcast.net (pearceg2) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Last August, Baseball Prospectus broke the story that there was already a signed agreement IN PLACE between Rose and Major League Baseball that Rose would be removed from the ineligible list before the start of the 2004 season. MLB's spin doctors immediately dismissed the report as (among other things) "wholly inaccurate," "unsubstantiated and totally unfounded," and -- my favorite -- "unfortunate and journalistically irresponsible." Like every other word out of Selig's mouth, MLB's official response appears to be wholly inaccurate, totally unfounded, unfortunate, and journalistically irresponsible. It's been 4 months since the story broke, but that still doesn't diminish the stench of Rose's now-certain reinstatement and media The only response MLB *should* have to Rose's claims is to resume their suspended investigation into Rose's betting activities... an investigation which did assert that Rose bet on Reds games while serving as their manager, a discovery that -- under MLB's rules -- would compel Rose's permanent ineligibility..... not that MLB's rules of procedure mean anything to Selig when he has an agenda to pursue. Rose is in the unfortunate position of having to reveal he bet on baseball, but he can't be found guilty of betting on Reds games. If MLB decides to take the word of the convicted felon at face value that he bet on MLB games, but not on Reds games, it would be the crowning achievement of Selig elevating him to truly the most corrupt, most contemptible, most reprehensible figure ever to be associated with Major League Baseball.... the one figure responsible for the most long-term damage to the integrity and competitiveness of Major League Baseball. Of course, many would argue that Selig is already there. Billy Martin's famous quote about Reggie Jackson and George Steinbrenner couldn't be more appropriate if he said it about Bud Selig and Pete Rose: Those two deserve each other. One's a born liar and the other's convicted. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.69]) by air-yh02.mail.aol.com (v97.14) with ESMTP id MAILINYH21-2cc3ff62f013a9; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:55:04 -0500 Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.65]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYH56-2cc3ff62f013a9; Fri, 02 Jan 2004 21:54:57 -0500 Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2004 02:54:10 -0000 X-Sender: pearceg@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 80443 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2004 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Jan 2004 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jan 2004 02:54:08 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.130] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2004 02:54:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <008101c3d16b$afb22760$bb00a8c0@UPSTAIRS> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.101 From: "pearceg2" X-Originating-IP: 24.1.129.8 X-Yahoo-Profile: pearceg2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 02:54:06 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Speaking of Pete Rose- from the NY Times X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.65 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 23:35:16 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: 1952 topps proffs (?) on ebay item number 2777002190 and one other by the same seller. I bid $22.51 (I think) on this one, but just as a placeholder. If they go higher, feel free to outbid me... anyone know anything about ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 22:02:25 -0700 (MST) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: HOF Balloting Place your votes for the Hall of Fame Class of 2004... http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/ballot?event_id=521# Who's in? My votes go to Eckersley, Lee Smith, Molitor and Sandberg. I'm sure there are bound to be some lively discussion here.... Todd-the pot stirrer ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 00:31:12 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: wantlist update password help I had a major computer crash, and have lost my password for updating my wantlist. I need whatever kind soul is responsible for such things to send me a Bill Malson ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 04:09:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Phillies list news Content-Language: en With the addition today from an ebay win of 2 Tattoo Orbit cards from the '30s my Phillies collection has reached another milestone...but we need to back up a little... Some of you know the story of the LIST. Some new guys might not. So, I figured, I am sick tonight and can't sleep and will indulge myself in a little I am an OBCer from way back (now that we have entered 2004...I have been an OBCer for a little over 14 years!). I started out collecting catcher cards. I love Elston Howard, Bob Boone, Berra, Cochrane, Dickey, Smokey Burgess, Bench, Fisk, Clements (should be in HOF, look him up sometime), and others. During this quest, I rekindled my love of the Phillies (esp. Boone) and decided to collect all his cards along with all of Steve Carlton as well. Len Meideros (one of the original OBCers and the first person I traded with, Larry Tipton was 2nd) told me jokingly that I should collect all Phillies. He meant Topps Phillies at the time. I thought, why not? Got a list together and it was my very first Phillies list. A whopping 1 page in length. I got my first Phillie T-206 at a show later that month and put together a T-206 Phillie list on the bottom of my Topps list. Sent it to the OBC guys.One of them wrote back saying I might as well just collect all Phillies (I think it was Len again). I said okay. I started doing research in the spring of 1991 and finished the original Phillies list in the fall of 1992. The orginal list was just over 40 pages long using an 8 font!! It contained something like 2500 different sets and 20000 different cards from 1886 to 1989. The largest set represented was N-172 Old Judge set (still is). It held some of the most expensive and hard to find cards in the hobby (T-206 Magie, N-142 Duke Delahanty, Lummis Peanut Butter, etc.). In the past month I have had some great luck with ebay and beckett marketplace (yes, finally broke down and looked). With some creative e-mailing, and buying, I have hit two very important milestones. I now have over 15000 different Phillies cards (estimate using a page count system that was fairly accurate last time I checked it for sure). The list is also now down to just over 17 pages long. I have been stuck on page 19 for a long long time. In the past month I have been able to remove the Goudey Wide Pens, two Fleer sets from the '80s, two Topps test issues, 3 opc sets, a w-set, an e-set, 4 oddball sets, a tougher regional issue, a sticker set, and a hostess set. Not too bad. Add to that that I knocked an entire line off theN-172 Old Judge set this year too and I am a very happy Phillie collector. Now, dont worry, there are still some Phillies to be found for me. Just check out some of the things that are still on the list that are not at any of my local shops but should be found in oddball or junk or common boxes around the country just collecting dust. I charge OBC with helping me find some of this stuff. The list on the webpage is fairly up to date and will be updated soon here are my "easy to hit" Joshua's Phillies list most wanted. '84 Donruss #'s: 23B. '86 Donruss Diamond Kings Supers #'s: 17. '89 Donruss Baseball's Best #'s: 59, 198, 202, 238, 266, 303. 1981 Fleer #'s: 641a (41 Hal McRae). 1982 Fleer Stamps #'s: 57, 59, 60, and 241. (strips or individual stamps 1983 Fleer Star Stamps Poster #=E2=99s: Whole poster. 1983 Fleer Stickers #'s: 34. 1987 Fleer Box Panels #'s: C-15 (whole panel only). 1987 Fleer Baseball=E2=99s Best Box Bottom #=E2=99s: 1 Bedrosian (single card or panel is fine). 1987 Fleer Star Stickers Box Panel #'s: S-6 Phillies Logo (single card or panel is fine). 1984 Franklin Glove Hang Tag #=E2=99s: Schmidt. 1976 Hostess #'s: 84 (panels or single cards are okay). 1977 Hostess #'s: 43 (panels or single cards are okay). 1977 Hostess Twinkies #'s: 25. 1978 Hostess #'s: 29, 49, 103, 113. (Panels or single cards are okay). 1979 Hostess #'s: 30 and 134 (panels or single cards are okay). 1971 Kellogg's #'s: 21b (SO 587). 1987 Kraft #'s: 24 (panel). 1967 Laughlin W/S Set #'s: "1950 Whiz Kids are Starved." 1972 Laughlin Great Feats #'s: 41 and 46. 1974 Laughlin A.S. #'s: 64. 1975 Laughlin Batty Baseball #'s: 6. 1976 Laughlin Diamond Jubilee #'s: 21(?). 1980 Laughlin Famous Feats #'s: 6, 31, 40. 1886 Lorillard Team Card #'s: Philadelpia Leauge Club. (Just seeing if you were paying attention!!) 1987 MSA Iced Tea Discs (Weis, Baseball Super Stars, Bustelo, Key, Lady Lee, Our Own) #'s: Schmidt (Don't need Key, Baseball Super Stars, Weis or Our Own Tea). 1988 MSA Iced Tea Discs (Tetley, Baseball SuperStars, Weis, Key, Our Own Tea, A&P Supermarkets) #'s: Schmidt (don't need Our Own Tea ) and Bedrosian (don=E2=99t need Our Own Tea). 1988 Pacific Trading Legends #'s: 46 and 66. 1989 Pacific Trading Legends II #'s: 121, 124, 130, 131(?), 141, 142, 149, 201, and 203. 1988 Score Box Panels #'s: 13 Schmidt. (panel). 1976 SSPC #'s: 136, 456, 462, 463, 472, 476, 599, 600, and 607. 1977-79 Sportcasters #'s: 73 Wilson and 139 Wrigley Marathon (Schmidt). 1989 Swell Baseball Greats #'s: 13, 21, 47, 48, 61, 84, 96, 102, 109, 116, 127, 129, and 132. 1977 Topps #'s: 2. 1985 Topps Stickers #'s: 94, 121, and 369. 1986 Topps All-Star Glossy Set of 22 #'s: 22. 1988 Topps Box Panels #'s: B (panel only). 1988 Topps Tiffany #'s: 398, 407. 1989 Topps/LJN Talking Baseball #'s: 93 McDowell 1976 Whiffle Ball MSA discs #'s: Matthews, Schmidt, Trillo, Cash. Just a few things that I thought would be pretty easy but have eluded me so far...any help will be not only appreciated but rewarded and make sure to check out the BIG LIST on the website. Take care all... ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:10:26 EST To: tknowles@sofast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF Balloting My vote goes to my homeboy Goose Gossage. None of the today's pampered closers that get a save if they face the potential winnings run's mother in law. He was a closer that went 2 or 3 innings when it really meant something. Rest well, ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:29:48 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: New Years Resolution I've been giving thought to my New Years resolution. It was going to be don't procrastinate, but as it's already Jan 3rd, it's too late for that. Instead it will be to read every OBCers bio and then update mine! I'm already up to Chuck Paris! However, there seem to be a lot of people missing. Iencourage everyone to create or update their bios and then read everyone elses. There's a lot of great stories out there! ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:37:43 -0800 (PST) To: Bob Donaldson , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Years Resolution I sent my bio in early last year...for some reason it never showed up. No problem, though; if interested, I'll be happy to share my life story with anybody who Take care, --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > I've been giving thought to my New Years resolution. > It was going to be don't procrastinate, but as it's > already Jan 3rd, it's too late for that. Instead it > will be to read every OBCers bio and then update > mine! I'm already up to Chuck Paris! However, > there seem to be a lot of people missing. I > encourage everyone to create or update their bios > and then read everyone elses. There's a lot of > great stories out there! > thanks > Bob Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 19:55:00 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Years Resolution Hey all- I took advantage of a few quiet minutes to update my bio, and I guess I should update the picture as well. Any idea who to send it to to get it updated on the site? > Bob, > I sent my bio in early last year...for some reason it > never showed up. No problem, though; if interested, > I'll be happy to share my life story with anybody who > asks... > Take care, > Chris > --- Bob Donaldson wrote: >> I've been giving thought to my New Years resolution. >> It was going to be don't procrastinate, but as it's >> already Jan 3rd, it's too late for that. Instead it >> will be to read every OBCers bio and then update >> mine! I'm already up to Chuck Paris! However, >> there seem to be a lot of people missing. I >> encourage everyone to create or update their bios >> and then read everyone elses. There's a lot of >> great stories out there! >> thanks >> Bob > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:10:47 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: I'm mentioned in SCD! OBC too! Thanks go out to Bob Lemke for sending along a copy of the January 16th, 2004 issue of SCD. Bob even penned in a personal note to me: "Hello Chris. Sorry for misspelling your name!" Sure enogh, on page 12, he mentions the T205 Wlihelm variation and credited "Florida collector Chris Shufflestreet..." My biggest pet peeve, but that doesn't make me any less happy. Here's what he wrote: "Through the efforts of a dedicated group of T205 collectors, I've been made aware of the existence of a heretofore unreported variation in the popular set. The initial contact came from Chris...(my note: though he spells my last name wrong, at least he gets my web address right, so that's not so bad. He also mentions my newsletter). Networking with members of the Old Baseball cards...Web site, he was able to piece together the story of this newly reported error-corrected pair." Networking with members? I guess Bob didn't realize I'm also a member. Lemke goes on to quote Josh Levine about the card's sequence of events. Images of the two variations are also shown...courtesy of Geno Wagner. Though no mention of OBC is given, George Vrechek has an article in the issue with the last of his great 5-part series about Lionel Carter and his stack of correspondence with other collectors (many of whom were hobby Great OBC team effort! This is the kind of exposure that gets our group out in the hobby. I suppose I'll be seeing a few more hits to my wantlist as well. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 17:59:30 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: New Years Resolution Neal, I updated mine as well. I looked at the "What's New?" section of the OBC site, and the last bio update was entered by Geordie. Hence, I sent mine there. If we all send the updates there, we are bound to hear about it if I am wrong...at least I will, for making this "Put Geordie To Work Day." Geordie's email address is dodgergeo@elite.net Hey all- I took advantage of a few quiet minutes to update my bio, and I guess I should update the picture as well. Any idea who to send it to to get it updated on the site? > Bob, > I sent my bio in early last year...for some reason it > never showed up. No problem, though; if interested, > I'll be happy to share my life story with anybody who > asks... > Take care, > Chris > --- Bob Donaldson wrote: >> I've been giving thought to my New Years resolution. >> It was going to be don't procrastinate, but as it's >> already Jan 3rd, it's too late for that. Instead it >> will be to read every OBCers bio and then update >> mine! I'm already up to Chuck Paris! However, >> there seem to be a lot of people missing. I >> encourage everyone to create or update their bios >> and then read everyone elses. There's a lot of >> great stories out there! >> thanks >> Bob > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2004 23:26:07 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Coker Subject: SABR and Spalding/Reach guides...thanks Just wanted to thank everyone that replied to my email re: the above. I will be joining SABR, but not until I'm employed again :) Thanks to Bob Donaldson for the info. on the Reach Guides. Very helpful! Thanks OBC!! PS: Speaking of Rose and Bonds...I wish there were more Rose and less Bonds *type* players these days. Strictly between the lines, of course. I'm growing so weary of watching HR's and K's. And I hate the DH, it's just...un-natural. I'd rather see a triple than a HR. And I think small ball is much more exciting. And I know Bonds has speed, but I mean his *type* of player, which I guess the beginning can really be traced all the way back to Babe Ruth's era (again, strictly between the lines). I mean...I've been watching the Braves play long ball for years, and although its been a great ride since 1991, I'd love to see them play a different type of game (read McGraw ball) Sorta like the Angels did successfully a couple years ago. Man...now that was fun baseball! I know some of you would disagree. And I guess there is a place for HR's, slugfests, and strikeouts. But I wish more teams would go back to the deadball era type of play for awhile, just to see what would happen. I think it would be a nice change, and maybe people would gain a better appreciation for the *game* of baseball. I guess I was born in the wrong era ;) Just some ramblings from someone who has probably had his head in too many old baseball books the last few months :) Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:44:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jerry Coker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SABR and Spalding/Reach guides...thanks Chris Stufflestreet wrote: > Jerry, > I agree. It was a lot more fun watching the Yankees > in '96 when they played a very fundamental game that > it was in the 1980s, even with Winfield, Henderson, > Griffey, Pags and other deep threats. Back then it > seemead like the team was composed of 20 individuals > working on their own stats and a few players > (Mattingly, Guidry, Righetti and Randolph) who were > actually interested in the "team concept." Had the > Yankees kept the fundamental approach they used from > '96-2000, they might have won the series this year and > maybe even in 2001...though you really have to hand it > to the D'Backs that year; they played like they wanted > the title. Yeah...those Yankee teams in the middle/late 90's were very fundamentally sound. A tribute to Torre and the players, Jeter and Brosius (sp?) come to mind. Even the Marlins, who have won two recent WS played small ball, to some degree, both years. I think Jim Leland was a great manager. > Like you said, the Angels of 2002 was a similar story. > They won on strategy, just like the way the game > should be played. Long-ball guys are hot dogs, but > the players who play like Rose, Kent Hrbek, Ray > Knight, et al. will always be remembered by their > fans. Amen...that Angels team actually re-kindled my love for the game. I was starting to drift (actually lose interest in baseball because of the style of play) when I flipped to an Angels game on TV one night during the pennant race. I think it was someone in OBC that mentioned the type of ball that the Angels were playing (Trips?). So a few nights later I caught them on ESPN. Man...all of a sudden I remembered why I loved the game of baseball so much. I watched as many Angel games as I could the rest of September/October that year. They were really a fun bunch to watch. And they ended up winning it all! Jerry Coker ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:03:30 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: dumb hockey question OK, I'm not a huge hockey fan, but something has been bugging my son & I since I noticed it was included in the standings. What the heck is the 4th digit for? W-L-T-??? Sorry for the ignorant question, but inquiring minds want to know! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 03:15:30 EST To: dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dumb hockey question Date: 1/4/2004 2:05:27 AM Eastern Standard Time From: dodgergeo@elite.net (Geordie Calvert) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (Ramblings (OBC)) To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" From: "Geordie Calvert" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 23:03:30 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] dumb hockey question ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 16:35:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Even Dumber question about website I just noticed as i updated my web page that i have two post. Now the bright me thinks that all i have to do is go into web page and delete the stuff i dont want on it except it isnt there i have only the one set. If i made any sense as to my problem is there a way to correct it ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 12:49:58 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Gary Pearce Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SABR and Spalding/Reach guides...thanks At 10:26 PM 01/03/2004, Jerry Coker wrote: >I've been watching the Braves play long ball for years, and although its >been a great ride since 1991, I'd love to see them play a different type >of game (read McGraw ball) Sorta like the Angels did successfully a >couple years ago. Man...now that was fun baseball! In the ALDS, the Angels hit 9 HR in 4 games against the Yankees and scored 7.8 runs per game. In the ALCS, the Angels hit 8 HR in 5 games against the Twins and scored 5.8 runs per game. In the World Series, the Angels hit 7 HR in 7 games against the Giants and scored 5.9 runs per game. They may not have *reached* the post season playing Weaver-ball, but they sure did win it that way. >But I wish more teams would go back to the deadball era type of play for >awhile, just to see what would happen. I think it would be a nice change, >and maybe people would gain a better appreciation for the *game* of baseball. Yeah, I know BB+HR is the most efficient style of offense but it sure can make for boring games. The 50's were similar to today with the abundance of BB and HR, and attendance stagnated as a result. Too bad the commissioner is more interested in busting the player's union and currying favor from the national media rather than taking steps to restore some balance in the game on the field. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:04:25 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: An OBC type of book Book reviews are not part of the normal fare here but I thought you might be interested in a book I got as a Christmas present. Baseball's Forgotten Heroes by Tony Salin ( A San Francisco cab driver) is "one fan's search for the game's most interesting overlooked players." It is 219 pages with 15 chapters dealing with an individual player like: Pete Gray, Chuck Connors(the Rifleman), Bill Lange (the best the HOF left out), Joe Bauman (72 homers), Frenchy Bordagaray, Tony Freitas (won 342 games in minors), Larry Jansen (won 122 in majors, 122 in minors), Billy Jurges (hot tempered), Bruno Haas (with 1915 A's and still pitching in 1946) and others. There are a number of players who only had a cup of coffee in the majors if at all - sort of the Crash Davis type. Photos are great.Lifetime stats are included. The last chapter has the correct pronounciation of about 250 players like Napoleon Lajoie "LAHJ-away", Al Cicotte "SEE-cot", Martin Dihigo "mar-TEEN duh-HEE-go" etc It sells for $16.95 in mint - same price in VG. George Vrechek ================= To: , Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:30:00 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Meeting Saint Peter My friends, While I was in Washington D.C. I had the distinct pleasure of meeting one of my favorite trading partners -- Peter Mead -- live and in living color! He was kind enough to take a few minutes out of his busy workday last Tuesday for a cup of coffee. It turns out that my hotel was just two blocks away from his home-away-from-home. Besides getting a chance to talk face-to-face with Peter, the meeting was an added pleasure for two reasons. First, while I have been a very busy trader over the last two years sending packages to my brothers and sisters of cardboard, I had never had the opportunityto meet one of you in person. Virgin territory (and I don't have much of that left.....) Secondly, Peter slipped a couple of items my way to bring back to Marion. The first was a box filled with hits for my 70s Hostess sets, as well as some early 70s vintage ice (that's hockey for the uninitiated)! To top that, Peter handed me a complete 1979 Hostess panel featuring my favorite player, Carlton Fisk! What a great surprise that was, and I can't wait to go to the cardstore in the morning and buy a special sheet to fit it in my Fisk binder! Thanks again to Peter for the coffee, cards, and companionship! Be happy, John Scott Gray ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 19:13:15 -0600 To: _ramblings From: Rick & Deb Subject: CoolPix 1/4/03 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Phillies "Santa's Gift" figure and poolball clock THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:01:25 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: new sets added I started a 63 fleer list on my page and a 77 cloth sticker set which I need 7.15.32.38.40.41.56.57.thanks for any help kit okamuro ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 16:05:39 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: availables 71 supers13.12.8.51.45.33. 69/70 basketball53.38.41.66.48.77. and 78 elvis cards lmk, kit kit okamuro ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 23:47:23 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: RIP: Tug McGraw I just read the news that Tug McGraw passed away on Monday. Tug was one of those players who was a competitor, from beating his chest when a well-hit ball went foul to the many freeze-frame shots of him celebrating his team's win by leaping into the air off the mound. He was also one of baseball's more notorious goofballs, from the "You Gotta Believe!" mantra of '73 to his great answer to a reporter who asked him whether he preferred grass or artificial turf: "I don't know. I've never smoked AstroTurf." Back in the 1960s, the Jacksonville Suns were an affiliate of the New York Mets, and Tug spent the '64 season here. Last season, the old ballpark was torn down and while the local did its stories on some of the sights the old park had seen since 1931, they reported about how Tug hit a homer during the season he was here. While running around the bases, he did a cartwheel between second and third. Tug, you'll be missed...not just by Phillies and Mets fans, either. Baseball can't replace the player or the colorful character. Take care and God bless, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 07:11:32 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP: Tug McGraw Another Tugger story: two years ago, a bunch of guys in my neighborhood went to a place in rural PA called "Field of Dreams". It is a place where you go and play a few games in old time uniforms with a retired major leaguer. Tug was the guy when they went (I had to work), and they said he was the funniest guy they ever met. He told guys that he was going to throw a curve ball that was aimed at their head, but would cross the plate at their knees, and yet even after seeing it a dozen times, no one stayed in the box and everyone bailed out while swinging. They said he never stopped talking, even when one of my friends broke his ankle at a first base collision. He made a lot of new fans that For the record, I will be going there this summer for a Children's Miracle Network fundraiser for my hospital, and the major leaguer will be Fergie > I just read the news that Tug McGraw passed away on > Monday. Tug was one of those players who was a > competitor, from beating his chest when a well-hit > ball went foul to the many freeze-frame shots of him > celebrating his team's win by leaping into the air off > the mound. He was also one of baseball's more > notorious goofballs, from the "You Gotta Believe!" > mantra of '73 to his great answer to a reporter who > asked him whether he preferred grass or artificial > turf: "I don't know. I've never smoked AstroTurf." > Back in the 1960s, the Jacksonville Suns were an > affiliate of the New York Mets, and Tug spent the '64 > season here. Last season, the old ballpark was torn > down and while the local did its stories on some of > the sights the old park had seen since 1931, they > reported about how Tug hit a homer during the season > he was here. While running around the bases, he did a > cartwheel between second and third. > Tug, you'll be missed...not just by Phillies and Mets > fans, either. Baseball can't replace the player or > the colorful character. > Take care and God bless, > Chris > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 6 Jan 2004 14:53:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Tiptons on Ebay!! Hey guys and gals, Check out the ebay item below. The description refers to an OBC Tipton grade Connie Mack All Star. We're gettin' around. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2778560613&category=642 ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:17:25 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Very sad phillies fan As many of you know, the '80s phillies were my team. Tug McGraw was one of my favorites. He is one of the four signatures on the baseball that turned me into a true phillies fan. I am very sad today...Tug was not only a class guy, he was a class clown. He was funny, a tough competitor, a fan of baseball, a fan of fans, and a phillie. He will be missed. ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:43:25 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very sad phillies fan Date: 1/6/2004 11:22:43 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:17:25 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Very sad phillies fan ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 10:03:57 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: new set added 70 topps football supers need #s 8.11.13.16.25.30. have dupe#s of 27.19.27.10.10.34.32.17.26.32.17.32.14.22. lmk if you can help kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 13:54:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: ChicoD1@aol.com, Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: a arbeeny Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very sad phillies fan ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 12:22:33 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: The ballot's in! Paul Molitor and Dennis Eckersley will be the next two members of the Hall of Fame. Ryne Sandberg got a little over 60% (up from last year), and behind Ryno were Andre Dawson, Goose Gossage, Lee Smith and Bert Thanks to Copperstown's stupid 5% rule, Keith Hernandez and Fernando Valenzuela will be ineligible for future consideration. Personally, I think Ryno and Dawson should make it eventually. Gossage was good, as was Smith...but I don't see them getting a plaque. As for Blyleven, he'll join Tommy John and Jim Kaat in the "just shy of 300/snowball's chance" club. Any others with an opinion? Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 09:35:03 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Fantasy Football Pardon the interruption as this is slightly off-topic. I'm organizing a Fantasy Football Playoff Challange with some guys from work and I wanted to extend an invitation to my OBC friends. Basically you pick 1 player from each of the 12 playoff teams and score is based on their performance. If you're interested let me know and I'll provide the full details. The deadline to enter is Saturday morning 1/3/04. There is a small fee involved. -Bob R. Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= Date: 6 Jan 2004 22:25:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: SABR Can someone in the group give me some info on how to join SABR? ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:37:13 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Subject: bobble heads I noticed that the MLB website has quite a few bobble heads of older players on sale quite cheap i.e. Al Kaline for $2.99. Thought some of you might be interested. Happy New Year to ALL!! http://shop.mlb.com/dr/sat4/ec_MAIN.ProdListMaster?p_name=SP&p_val=10024&p_nam ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:40:13 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Subject: another mlb link WITH the 2.99 Kaline http://shop.mlb.com/dr/sat3/ec_MAIN.Entry16?CID=89073&SP=10024&PN=28&xid=34935 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:34:37 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: FW: Look who else the US Army Found OBCers -- You guys have to see this picture...I hope it comes through the server ok... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ----- Original Message ----- From: Wagner Eugene H Maj 418 FLTS/DOO To: illini90@earthlink.net Sent: 1/6/2004 7:31:43 AM Subject: FW: Look who else the US Army Found Major Geno Wagner, USAF C-130 Flight Commander C-130/C-17 Experimental Test Pilot DSN 527-0800, x2141 or (661)277-0800, x2141 -----Original Message----- From: Ormsby Daniel S Maj 418 FLTS/Det 4 DO Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:25 AM To: Wagner Eugene H Maj 418 FLTS/DOO Subject: Look who else the US Army Found 1) Thought you might appreciate this. 2) I need a checkride by the end of the month in a J. Got any suggestions? 3) When do you leave for the UK? Maj D. Scott "COZ" Ormsby Operations Officer/ C-5 & C-130 Experimental Test Pilot Det 4 / 418 FLTS ================= Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 17:44:53 -0600 To: _ramblings From: Rick & Deb Subject: CoolPix 1/6/03 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Gus Triandos 1965 Topps Baseball Card THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:18:38 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: EBay dealer I bought a card on eBay, paid for it promptly with paypal, and got a message back from the dealer: > >> Please consider positive feedback, as we will be placing positive >> feedback for you once we see you are completely satisfied. to which I responded: > Bobby - thanks for your quick response. I don't understand why you don;t > give me positive feedback now. I've done my end of the deal. You've been > paid. - Doug to which he responded: i understand your point. I used to do that, however, firstly, all of my negs and neutrals except 1 were due to postal losses, of which i have no control. I decided about 2 years ago i would wait for the bidder to receive their package, leave positive feedback, or if not satisfied, email so we may work the deal out. This has worked perfectly with the exception of a few who want feedback first. secondly, there are just too many folks out there who have an itchy trigger finger for the negative button. I am not going to give the opportunity for another neg, without them thinking twice and possibly will email first. However, if i have already left positive feedback, i leave myself wide open for a negative instead of the extra trouble of emailing, sending back, and refunding. Hope this helps you to understand. Out of about 7,000 deals since i instituted this policy, only a handful have complained. As i said, and reiterate, i understand your point, but hopefully you will understand mine. bobby Now I have had not a single problem with this dealer and don;t expect one. But I also think this is bull. what do you thing and how would you handle it? - Doug ================= To: "Traderdoug@aol.com" , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:27:26 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I think the feedback thing is way overrated...I don't have any negatives (600+ positives), but if I did have a few would anyone care?? I usually don't give them out either, I just let it go. It's not worth the blood pressure rise to battle some faceless individual...but that's just my humble opinion. By the way, Doug, you are 100% correct. Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 1/6/2004 6:18:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I bought a card on eBay, paid for it promptly with paypal, and got a message back from the dealer: Please consider positive feedback, as we will be placing positive feedback for you once we see you are completely satisfied. to which I responded: Bobby - thanks for your quick response. I don't understand why you don;t give me positive feedback now. I've done my end of the deal. You've been paid. - Doug to which he responded: i understand your point. I used to do that, however, firstly, all of my negs and neutrals except 1 were due to postal losses, of which i have no control. I decided about 2 years ago i would wait for the bidder to receive their package, leave positive feedback, or if not satisfied, email so we may work the deal out. This has worked perfectly with the exception of a few who want feedback first. secondly, there are just too many folks out there who have an itchy trigger finger for the negative button. I am not going to give the opportunity for another neg, without them thinking twice and possibly will email first. However, if i have already left positive feedback, i leave myself wide open for a negative instead of the extra trouble of emailing, sending back, and refunding. Hope this helps you to understand. Out of about 7,000 deals since i instituted this policy, only a handful have complained. As i said, and reiterate, i understand your point, but hopefully you will understand mine. bobby Now I have had not a single problem with this dealer and don;t expect one. But I also think this is bull. what do you thing and how would you handle it? - Doug Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:30:52 -0500 From: "Brian Dwyer" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I think policies like that are ridiculous and you could always sacrifice one feedback for your total to make a point, if he sees it as such. I have heard of people getting emails from sellers saying "Our policy is to leave feedback after the buyer has done so for us. We feel like our time can be better spent serving our customers than leaving feedback for those buyers not interested in the feedback system. We hope you understand." Those buyers have then sent e-mails back that say something like "My feedback policy is to leave feedback only after a seller acknowledges that my end of the deal has been completed. I feel like my time can be better spent doing more important things than playing e-mail tag asking for feedback. I hope you understand." When I sell, I leave feedback for all my buyers as soon as they pay unless I have had unusual amounts of problems with a buyer in trying to get payment from them. Right now I am dealing with a buyer who accused me of rippinghim off because I told him I didn't get payment and would have to leave a negative. He threatened a retaliatory negative and then e-mailed me a weeklater to tell me that the envelope was returned because he forgot to put stamps on it. I will not leave him feedback until I know that he got his item safe and sound because he has already put himself in a defensive state of mind and I do not want to be unable to report on his problems should he neg eBay's feedback system has some flaws in it that could really use looking at, but for now, we'll have to deal with what they've given us. ----- Original Message ----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 9:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I bought a card on eBay, paid for it promptly with paypal, and got a message back from the dealer: Please consider positive feedback, as we will be placing positive feedback for you once we see you are completely satisfied. to which I responded: Bobby - thanks for your quick response. I don't understand why you don;t give me positive feedback now. I've done my end of the deal. You've been paid. - Doug to which he responded: i understand your point. I used to do that, however, firstly, all of my negs and neutrals except 1 were due to postal losses, of which i have no control. I decided about 2 years ago i would wait for the bidder to receive their package, leave positive feedback, or if not satisfied, email so we may work the deal out. This has worked perfectly with the exception of a few who want feedback first. secondly, there are just too many folks out there who have an itchy trigger finger for the negative button. I am not going to give the opportunity for another neg, without them thinking twice and possibly will email first. However, if i have already left positive feedback, i leave myself wide open for a negative instead of the extra trouble of emailing, sending back, and refunding. Hope this helps you to understand. Out of about 7,000 deals since i instituted this policy, only a handful have complained. As i said, and reiterate, i understand your point, but hopefully youwill understand mine. bobby Now I have had not a single problem with this dealer and don;t expect one. But I also think this is bull. what do you thing and how would you handle it? - Doug Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:39:34 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: RE EBAY DEALER I BUY AS WELL AS SELL I LEAVE FEEDBACK AS SOON AS THE OTHER PARTY EITHER PAYS OR I REC GOODS. BUT OTHER DEALERS ARE LIKE SOME TRADERS IVE AGREED TO A TRADE WITH THEY SEND AFTER THEY GET MY PACKAGE. MY TURN TO SOUND OFF kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 22:31:56 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer Date: 1/6/2004 9:20:34 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 21:18:38 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:13:21 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Marshall's DEJUNK PROJECT #3 ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 02:45:25 EST To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SABR I think you can now join online and pay your membership fees as well online. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 06:32:20 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I've always been acted the same way. Once my end of the deal is complete, the seller should submit feedback. If it's not sent, I don't send it. ================= Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 08:27:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obcjohn@knology.net From: Jerry Coker Subject: SABR OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com wrote: > Message: 9 > Date: 6 Jan 2004 22:25:44 -0000 > From: "obcjohn@knology.net" > Subject: SABR > Can someone in the group give me some info on how to join SABR? > Thanks > Bama Bama...I just joined. Check out http://store.sabr.org/?m=35&s=166 Jerry Coker ================= Date: 7 Jan 2004 14:09:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: SABR info Thanks for all replys I got to my question of how to join SABR. Now to find the $50. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:38:48 EST To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SABR info dont forget...the $50 is tax deductible!! ================= To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 10:15:49 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: FW: Trading Partners in DC area Guys, just received this email from Joe. Sounds like he is trying to just hook up with ordinary collectors like ourselves. Any D.C. area guys please give him a holler if you want to hook up. I'd be interested in contacting any OBC members by e-mail who live within a 20 mile radius of Washington DC. My interest would be in communicating with nearby collectors to see whether it would be worthwhile to get together and do some trading. I have many hundreds of cards from 1955-65 available to trade - including many HOF'ers and superstars, almost all in VG-EX shape, and am looking to fill my own sets from the 50's and 60's. I'm not interested in meeting any dealers - only collectors - and I'd much prefer a face-to-face rather than an impersonal exchange session if at all possible. If that makes sense, feel free to either pass my e-mail address along to your DC area members, or you can give me their e-mail address for contact. Many thanks, Joe Kiehl of Arlington, VA. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 12:58:14 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: Re: EBay dealer Doug -- Here's my advice. Walk to your refrigerator, open, grab one cold beer, open, drink. Mutter some expletive. Repeat if Bottoms Up! http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 17:25:55 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Re: Tiptons on Ebay!! The seller is William Chappell. He's very OBC-friendly and contributed generously to the Redpath auction. Message: 2 Date: 6 Jan 2004 14:53:16 -0000 From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Tiptons on Ebay!! Hey guys and gals, Check out the ebay item below. The description refers to an OBC Tipton grade Connie Mack All Star. We're gettin' around. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2778560613&category=642 ================= To: , Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 16:52:45 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I would wait until the package arrives, then leave the appropriate feedbackbased on the service, (positve, I assume), and at the bottom of the comment leave a line such as, "Uses a 'Reaction Feedback' policy" Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 8:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay dealer I bought a card on eBay, paid for it promptly with paypal, and got a message back from the dealer: Please consider positive feedback, as we will be placing positive feedback for you once we see you are completely satisfied. to which I responded: Bobby - thanks for your quick response. I don't understand why you don;t give me positive feedback now. I've done my end of the deal. You've been paid. - Doug to which he responded: i understand your point. I used to do that, however, firstly, all of my negs and neutrals except 1 were due to postal losses, of which i have no control. I decided about 2 years ago i would wait for the bidder to receive their package, leave positive feedback, or if not satisfied, email so we may work the deal out. This has worked perfectly with the exception of a few who want feedback first. secondly, there are just too many folks out there who have an itchy trigger finger for the negative button. I am not going to give the opportunity for another neg, without them thinking twice and possibly will email first. However, if i have already left positive feedback, i leave myself wide open for a negative instead of the extra trouble of emailing, sending back, and refunding. Hope this helps you to understand. Out of about 7,000 deals since i instituted this policy, only a handful have complained. As i said, and reiterate, i understand your point, but hopefully youwill understand mine. bobby Now I have had not a single problem with this dealer and don;t expect one. But I also think this is bull. what do you thing and how would you handle it? - Doug Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 18:02:33 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: Bonehead Santa Bonehead Santa - that would be me. I sent a package out to Paul Biggs 10 days before Christmas, and I've been e-mailing him ever since, and generally saying unpleasant things about the post offices of our respective nations. Now, on January 7, the package returns to North Canton, elegantly festooned with a variety of stickers in various languages - but apparently the bottom line is that I used an address that was no longer valid. Truly a Homer Simpson Paul, just consider the unusual pleasure of opening a Christmas present in mid-January - and accept my mea culpa. Bill Malson, carefully checking all addresses. ================= Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2004 19:50:33 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Carlos Alcazar Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The ballot's in! My biggest issue with this years election was the elimination of Joe Carter at the hands of the 5% rule in his first year of eligibility. Argue if you'd like about whether or not he would ever get in, Joe was borderline at best, but I believe his career deserved more than the 19 votes, which from my standpoint were the equal to a slap in the face. It certainly makes me wonder about the people entrusted with the votes if nothing else. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:16:34 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: HOF voting Reading Carlos' email about Joe Carter's inability to meet the 5% threshold got me to thinking -- anyone curious about how the HOF 'works' would enjoy reading Bill James "The Politics of Glory". It has a great history of the Hall and its voting policies over the years. He chimes on several Player X vs Player Y debates. Basically he's helped me to become knowledgable about the Hall as an institution. ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:36:38 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Collecting clubs Over the last few months, I've been a bit more active in a local collecting club I joined a couple of years ago: The Greater Boston Sports Collectors Club (GBSCC). These are the folks that put on their annual "convention" (show) every November in Wilmington, MA. The club also hosts a meeting nearly once a month that ususally has selling tables, an auction, a guest speaker and a business meeting among other activities. It's a good way to network and meet other folks who may have similar interests (using a personal example, I met a person last month who collects pocket schedules - another of my hobbies). While surfing the 'net I did find a couple of similar clubs. I'm sure there are more... GBSCC: http://www.gbscc.com/ Washington State Sports Collectors Association: http://www.wssca.net Twin Cities Sports Collectors Club: http://www.spacestar.net/users/tcscc If anyone would like details about the GBSCC, please let me know. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 19:08:13 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Rose 10PM (9 central) ABC / HOF / Pendleton MVP? Tonight on Prime Time he finally admits betting on MLB games. I'm not sure he belongs in the HOF at this point, but based on his on field performance has anyone ever stated his stats aren't good enough? I voted YES to the HOF in the 1st OBC poll & I think I voted NOT SURE in the 2nd or maybe I voted IF HE APOLOGIZES. I got a kick out of OBCer Tom Williams who was the only one who voted "NO! NOT EVEN IF HE IS EXONERATED!". I'm not sure if he is still a member but I do remember that vote which is in the archives. Maybe it's time for another poll after tonight's interview? As far as the HOF goes, I think they have let in too many people already that should not be in there. Changing gears, even though I'm a Braves fan I still think BONDS was cheated out of the MVP the year Terry Pendleton won. Sure the Braves won the Division but if you ask where a team would have been without that particular player, I think Bonds meant more to the Pirates that year. But I try to take Geno's approach (and often fail) about not worrying about things that don't really matter (ebay feedback) as it's not worth the blood pressure increase :-) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 17:20:38 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: VCBC latest issue Has anybody got the latest issue of VCBC - #37? I haven't got a couple recently and had to request them, but I was hoping that was straightened out. #37 was on the website, but I hadn't received it, so I was just Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: , Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 21:32:11 -0500 From: "galtemos" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCBC latest issue Hi Geno, Neither have I received my copy. However, if you look at the website carefully, it says that #37 will be mailed soon. Hope springs eternal in the human breast. Stay warm. > From: Geno Wagner > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] VCBC latest issue > Date: Thursday, January 08, 2004 8:20 PM > Has anybody got the latest issue of VCBC - #37? I haven't got a couple > recently and had to request them, but I was hoping that was straightened > out. #37 was on the website, but I hadn't received it, so I was just > wondering... > Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:33:36 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Lower grade 60s on the Waiver Wire My friends, Here are some more pieces of vintage cardboard that I recently procured -- all these are pretty low-grade, so if you are touchy about those things youhad best look elsewhere -- if you are like I am and just want to fill someholes, please have a look! Be happy, John Scott Gray 1967 Topps: 4, 24, 28, 31, 46, 65, 76, 95, 101, 111, 118, 124, 132, 148, 170, 176, 195,202, 231, 237, 248, 252, 274, 286, 299, 305, 321, 353, 374. 1968 Topps: 132, 298. 1969 Topps: 38, 59, 79, 141, 147, 148, 172, 177, 195, 207, 212, 222, 231, 238, 251, 306, 313, 344, 405, 408, 441, 470, 586. ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 13:56:50 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: AVAILABLES FOOT BALL 67 PHILLY AND 67 TOPPS 67 TOPPS#S 92.5.89.64.4.95.96.86.87.84. 67 PHILLY #S6.163.6.159.102.51.134.18.119.131.6.114.51.95. LMK KIT kit okamuro ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 14:07:58 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: 1978 FLEER TEAM ACTION 8.6.4.3.46.49.57.60.59.2. LMK, KIT kit okamuro ================= Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:16:53 GMT To: biglittledogs@msn.com From: kimballrw@juno.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] AVAILABLES FOOT BALL 67 PHILLY AND 67 TOPPS im just starting the topps 67 fb and need all of the numbers listed and any of the 67 philly fb also- richard kimball The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:56:50 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: add one new card collector The other day my friend's 8-year old son called me up and asked me to help him start a card collection. He's a baseball fanatic, reads the box scores every day and he's reading a book about Honus Wagner right now. I've had fun the last few minutes putting together a little stack of cards to help him get started tomorrow. I've got a couple of reprints of HOFers, some 60s and 70s Topps and a Diamond Star for him...and no uv. Tomorrow will be a good card day. ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:15:00 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: INFO NEEDED NON SPORTS CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW MANY CARDS IN JAMES BOND MOONRAKER SET 1979? THANKS kit okamuro ================= Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:51:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Hosties & Posties Got a few availables looking for a new home: 1963 Post: Adcock #148, Ken Boyer #160. The Adcock has some corner wear, and slightly miscut, but not bad. Boyer has some missing paper, but again, not too bad overall. 1961 Post: Conley #124. MIscut, but otherwise not bad. 1977 Hostess, #37 Toby Harrah. 1976 Hostess, #24 Darrell Evans, #52 Bud Harrelson, #54 George Scott. Condition of the Hosties varies, with the usual miscuts and stainings typical of the set. ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 00:03:20 -0500 From: Subject: Rhode Island show Hello all, It's the time of year again to post my invite to the "BIG" R.I. show. The show is Saturday January 31 this year. It's a one day show with over 100 tables. Some OBC type friendly dealers will be there. I've told the locals to bring all their Tiptons. We had a good time last year with about 10 guys attending. I'm planning on a 2nd annual get together at Hooters after the show. I'm not accepting any excuses about some little football game the next day.You'll be home in plenty of time to watch it. LMK if you're interested and may be attending. I'll help out with directions or meeting right off the highway to help you get there. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:33:14 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Annual tradition Seems to me that I have a new annual tradition -- sticking my foot in my mouth while in an OBC chat room. Tonight, I said some bitterly sarcastic things. The response I got was the opposite of what I intended. I don't blame the people who did not realize I meant the opposite of what I said. I don't know how sarcasm can be communicated non-verbally (in a chat room) and I was foolish to try to do so. Aside: I don't do a good job of communicating sarcasm (or frustration or anger) in real life either. I apologize to anyone who was upset by my remarks tonight. I wrote a detailed letter to one person in the group who wrote me later after the chat room broke up. The letter that you are reading is a public apology to the rest of OBC, whether you were in the chat room tonight or not. To those who were in the chat room, I am sorry for running off at the mouth and speaking bitterly instead of dealing with some people directly. That is never pleasant to witness. To the rest of you, I am sorry for conducting myself poorly in a public setting. Further, because I hold office in OBC, I need to remember that my personal views (and especially my resentments) may be considered "offical". I can assure you that my remarks tonight were based solely on my own personal resentments. If people want details of either my resentments or my foolish statements tonight, please let me know. ================= To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:49:06 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Some thoughts on my recent Europe trip Hi Father Pat, I haven't had the opportunity to correspond with you during my long lull, mostly from being on active duty, but I have had the chance to visit the D Day Beaches on two different occasions. The two most hallowed places I've ever visited, and both are not because you're SUPPOSED to be reverent but because you just ARE, are the D Day beaches and the Vietnam Memorial. Good luck on your house purchase. Northern France has an entirely different attitude than Paris, I've found. And as you've found. I echo everything you said....if anyone can get to the D Day Beaches, even if you don't get to see anything else in that part of the world.......it's worth it. Stand in one of the still-existing pillboxes, at least one still with a rusting howitzer still in place, and look out the gun slit, and ask yourself, "how did ANYONE make it up that bluff alive?" Anyway, reading what you wrote brought back the overwhelming humbleness i felt when i visited, and wanted to share as well. >From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >CC: fisherboy7@aol.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Some thoughts on my recent Europe trip >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:52:52 -0600 Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up — fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1 ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:54:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "David Skoglund" Subject: Chat sessions - when & where? Now and then someone will mention an OBC chat session, but I dont' recall ever seeing any info on when and where. Disclaimer: such info may have been posted, but I probably spaced out and ignored it. So, what's the deal? Is there a set time(s) and place? I'm assuming that it would either be through the chat feature of the Yahoo Group or something through Yahoo Messenger. Once again, I'm trying to increase my involvement and empty my dupes box and I'm seeking any help I can get in that effort. :) ================= To: "'David Skoglund'" , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:19:45 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chat sessions - when & where? David and all....the Chats are Sundays and Tuesdays for those available....8:00 Eastern, 5:00 Pacific...I have no idea what time that would be in Scotland or the Philippines. AOL Instant Messenger is the venue...it's easy to download, and best of all it's free! Lots of cardboard flies during these Chat sessions, and Mike Rich loses his mind and gives away great oddballs if we hit double digits in the room....and Father Pat is often there to oversee everything and keep us Less than a month 'til pitchers and catchers report...I say we skip the season and just hand the Championship to the Angels right now....side bets available... Now and then someone will mention an OBC chat session, but I dont' recall ever seeing any info on when and where. Disclaimer: such info may have been posted, but I probably spaced out and ignored it. So, what's the deal? Is there a set time(s) and place? I'm assuming that it would either be through the chat feature of the Yahoo Group or something through Yahoo Messenger. Once again, I'm trying to increase my involvement and empty my dupes box and I'm seeking any help I can get in that effort. :) Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:45:03 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: Who's Keeper of Bio Passwords? Does anybody know who dishes out the passwords to the OBC Bio's pages? http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:56:52 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, david.skoglund@att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chat sessions - when & where? In a message dated 1/12/04 2:48:42 PM Central Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: David and all....the Chats are Sundays and Tuesdays for those available....8:00 Eastern, 5:00 Pacific...I have no idea what time that would be in Scotland or the Philippines. AOL Instant Messenger is the venue...it's easy to download, and best of all it's free! Lots of cardboard flies during these Chat sessions, and Mike Rich loses his mind and gives away great oddballs if we hit double digits in the room....and Father Pat is often there to oversee everything and keep us how do we get into the chat room? does someone start it up and invite, or is there a link somewhere that we can go to? ================= To: , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 13:13:47 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chat sessions - when & where? Usually what happens is that guys start signing on around the appointed hour.when there are a few of us, somebody takes the bull by the horns and starts a room..everyone who shows signed on at that point, and afterwards, gets invited in. No set rule who starts the room..just sort of a judgement call as far as timing goes.some nights only a couple of guys show up.some nights lots.I think the record is 16 or thereabouts. In a message dated 1/12/04 2:48:42 PM Central Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: David and all....the Chats are Sundays and Tuesdays for those available....8:00 Eastern, 5:00 Pacific...I have no idea what time that would be in Scotland or the Philippines. AOL Instant Messenger is the venue...it's easy to download, and best of all it's free! Lots of cardboard flies during these Chat sessions, and Mike Rich loses his mind and gives away great oddballs if we hit double digits in the room....and Father Pat is often there to oversee everything and keep us how do we get into the chat room? does someone start it up and invite, or is there a link somewhere that we can go to? ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:42:20 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: SCD thanks I finally made it over to the local newsstand today and bought a SCD for this week with the T-205 article. Turns out a third of the article is my quote. Thanks Chris for passing off this info to Bob and letting me ride your coattails on the Wilhelm variation. Thanks so much. Take care all.... ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:25:41 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: 1947 Homogenized Thanks to the recent discussion on the '47 Homogenized Bread set, I went ahead and added a description of the set to my website. here's a link: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/1947hb.html Let me know if I got anything wrong, or overlooked Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:05:26 EST To: billgargano@hotmail.com, stanleyd@snet.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Fwd: New England weather... From: Corvellom@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:37:17 EST Subject: Fwd: New England weather... To: Friar4@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:05:02 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Astros Lock The Rocket! Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more year of "The Rocket"! Another Baseball Quote: "I think the only thing I look back on with regret is that I didn't pitch in the seventh game. I was ready to pitch." -------Roger Clemens on the fabled game six of the 1986 World Series Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 17:52:31 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Spring Training, the Angels, and Cows Grant makes an oblique reference to the Angel's signing of Vladimir Guerrero. There's good news and bad news. The good news is that I will be able to watch Guerrero play at SAFECO field. The bad news is he will be playing against the Mariners . . . And Grant, I will thank you very much to keep your cows on your side of theborder! -Dave Fallen ================= To: , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:10:53 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! Well it's near his hometown. I remember him saying he was going to retire before he was 30 so that he could spend time with his family. Then he left Boston to be closer to his family and went to Toronto?!?! I think it's hard to walk away from the spotlight! ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 12, 2004 9:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more year of "TheRocket"! Another Baseball Quote: "I think the only thing I look back on with regret is that I didn't pitchin the seventh game. I was ready to pitch." -------Roger Clemens on the fabled game six of the 1986 World Series Tripleplay (Rick) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:30:53 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: grounded Rocket I will enjoy watching Roger finally dig in against some other pitcher that likes to throw at a hitters head ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:47:33 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: OBC Bio Password Question Answered Thanks to Grant R & Chris S for answering my password http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: , Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:10:55 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! The interesting thing is going to be watching the Rocket try to bat in the Majors..he never has before. Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more year of "The Rocket"! Another Baseball Quote: "I think the only thing I look back on with regret is that I didn't pitch in the seventh game. I was ready to pitch." -------Roger Clemens on the fabled game six of the 1986 World Series Tripleplay (Rick) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor click here Service. ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:23:49 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more year of "The Rocket"! until now, i have been a huge rocket fan. but i am really disappointed in him for this one. and if i were a yankee fan, well, if i were a yankee fan, i would have shot my self years ago. but if i were one now, i would be furious at him. at least with sandberg, jordon, even larry holmes, they took some time away from the spotlight to have time to miss the game. rocket did none of that. he made a big deal about wanting to retire a yankee, and enter the hall of fame a yankee. barely 3 months after the season ends, all that changes? i dont think so. anyway, as a cubs fan and season ticket holder, i will get to see more of him (the yankee-cubs game last year when we beat rocket was one of the best games i ever attended), although this cant help the cubs chances any. i really doubt he is doing this for the money, but a guy who left the game with class has diminished his image, at least in my eyes. my two cents worth. ================= Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 23:29:49 EST To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, grains@dccnet.com, TPLY@aol.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! I want to see the Mets resign Turk Wendell...first time Roger comes up and in, Turk will send him down and out! Ahhhh don't get me started on the Mets... it's amazing how this team always teases us and then drops the ball. I'm glad I also like the Red Sox, this summer won't be a total waste! ========Original Message======== Subj: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! Date: 1/12/2004 11:18:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: seventytwop@hotmail.com (Fr. Patrick Wattigny) To: grains@dccnet.com, tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Or more interesting, how Mike Piazza will react when Clemens is batting in front of him at an Astros-Mets game! Father Pat >From: "Grant Rainsley" >To: , >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:10:55 -0800 >The interesting thing is going to be watching the Rocket try to bat in >the Majors..he never has before. > Grant >Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The >Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem >funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more >year of "The Rocket"! >Another Baseball Quote: >"I think the only thing I look back on with regret is that I didn't >pitch in the seventh game. I was ready to pitch." >-------Roger Clemens on the fabled game six of the 1986 World Series >Tripleplay (Rick) >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >>roupweb/S=1705123920:HM/EXP=1074045915/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. >com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116730> click here > _____ >Yahoo! Groups Links >* To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ >* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. Yahoo! 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Patrick Wattigny" X-Originating-IP: [68.11.116.203] MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:16:05 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.77 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 3 ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 20:33:32 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: vladamir guerrero with this addition the angels once again have the best outfield in recent times. im excited and it will probably get me to an extra dozen games kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 01:57:52 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Rocket Hi all, Clemens in the N.L....with Houston...always tempting to play in your own back yard and should be no surprise that he's added another year to his career to do so. That's been rumored for some time. I think it will be interesting to see him face hitters that he hasn't faced and vice-versa...even at 40+...I think he can still be successful. At least as a 3rd or 4th starter. And as far as a hitter goes...can he be any worse than Al Leiter!!!!!!!! ps...a VERY stuffed mailbox today but I'l get into that in A.M....after updating the wantlists...and a few well deserved ZZZ's...getting late..even for us "swing" shift people! D....OBC...'nuff said!!!! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:42:19 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! Actually Clemens has had 26 plate appearences. He is 4-20 (.200 average) with 1 sac fly, 3 sac bunts, 2 walks and, unfortunately for Met fans, no hit by pitches. I think he had every intention of retiring but between his best friend Andy Petitte convincing Clemens to join him in Houston and the chance to play while still being able to be near his family was too good of an oppurtunity to pass up. Not that I have my AIM fixed, I'm going to try to join the chat session tonight. Let's see if we can set a new record. My AIM name is obcboreed. >From: "Grant Rainsley" >To: , >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Astros Lock The Rocket! >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 19:10:55 -0800 >The interesting thing is going to be watching the Rocket try to bat in >the Majors..he never has before. > Grant >Once again "The Rocket" surprises me and decides not to retire! The >Astros signing "The Rocket" seems a little funny to me. Does that seem >funny to anyone else? All that said, I am glad to get at least one more >year of "The Rocket"! >Another Baseball Quote: >"I think the only thing I look back on with regret is that I didn't >pitch in the seventh game. I was ready to pitch." >-------Roger Clemens on the fabled game six of the 1986 World Series >Tripleplay (Rick) >Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >roupweb/S=1705123920:HM/EXP=1074045915/A=1853618/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. >com/Default?mqso=60178338&partid=4116730> click here > _____ >Yahoo! Groups Links >* To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ >* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ================= To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 07:21:40 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: 1974 football short list need #s19.34.40.59.82.93.105.131.137.150.154.176.245.277.293.298.328.489. any help? lmk thanks kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:20:10 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2779899264: 1951 Bowman #165 Ted ... ================= To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:03:29 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: OLD TIME BLACK STARS OR LONG AGO BLACK STARS DOES ANY HAVE ANY OF THESE TO TRADE? LMK kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 22:54:12 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: My 2 cents on Pete Pete Rose is not a nice human being. However, I believe he deserves a spot in the Hall of Fame for what he did between the foul lines. Simply put, the man turned 5 cents of ability into a Hall of Fame career. His gambling - at least what we know of it so far - seems to be limited to his time as a manager, and there has been no indication that he ever bet against his own team. I grew up as a Reds fan, & was heartbroken when he left for Philly in 78. I saw his accomplishments over the years, and admired him for his hustle (an ironic term now) and his determination to never give less than 100 percent - ever. My belief is that the ban on ineligible players from being inducted into the Hall must be lifted (after all, this silly "rule" was not instituted until Rose was banned; it NEVER EXISTED until then) - but that, sadly, Pete never be allowed to be into a position where he could determine the outcome of a game again. On his well-deserved Hall plaque, have a line on there stating he was banned for gambling - as a manager. After all, the man would never be Hall-worthy for his managerial record, but for each and every one of those base hits, head-first slides, diving stops, and the willingness & the ability to change positions to help his team. PS - as for Joe Jackson - ditto. As a wise man stated here, it's a lifetime ban, not forever - and Joe's lifetime ended 50 years ago. Yes, he took the money. Yes, he admitted to making a questionable play or two in the 1919 Series. But he was an unsophisticated backwoods rube who was taken advantage of by not only the gamblers, but by his money-grubbing owner as well. Induct Joe for his accomplishments, & add a line explaining his ban for gambling. Respectfully submitted, ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:00:53 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: 56 Topps variations question I know that #'s 1-181 (if memory serves) can be found in either gray or white backs - and I am foolishly attempting to collect both back variations. My question is about the handfull of team card variations (the ones with "1955", team centered, & team left) - do all three variations of those team cards come in gray and white? I seem to recall reading somewhere that only one or two of the variations had the gray/white back scheme, but I'm not sure. Any help out there? ================= To: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:32:31 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Subject: Job & Cribbage Links Well Guys and Gals: This is not old baseball card related, but since it is a major change for me, I wanted to make available the links to where I am now working - The Galaxynet Internet Cafe in Oak Harbor, Washington. We have one live camera and eventually will have a total of 6 live cameras so you can click on the link and see if you can spot me, aka FindWaldo or FindDiowemontee. http://www.galaxynet.com/default.php?id=96 The other link is to the poster for the cribbage tournament, being held this weekend, at the Greenbank Farm, on lovely Whidbey Island. http://www.cribbageboard.com/greenbank.htm Will file a report after the festivities........ Island Coffee Guy ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 12:47:30 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: 56 Topps variations question In a message dated 1/14/04 5:06:16 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << 56 Topps variations question I know that #'s 1-181 (if memory serves) can be found in either gray or white backs - and I am foolishly attempting to collect both back variations. My question is about the handfull of team card variations (the ones with "1955", team centered, & team left) - do all three variations of those team cards come in gray and white? I seem to recall reading somewhere that only one or two of the variations had the gray/white back scheme, but I'm not sure. >> Cards 1-180 come with both backs. 1-100 are easier to find with the white stock and 101-180 are more readily found with gray backs. There are five versions of each team card - yay! Both the left and centered versions can also be found with both backs, while the dated one comes only with white. Hope this Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:49:25 -0500 To: Ramblings From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Extras Hey I have some multiple doubles and since I owe multiple people multiple cards I figured for now I would just put some of them on the list for the asking instead of going through a lot of wantlists (Which I WILL do). I am sorry if this is the wrong server for listing cards or the wrong way to go about things. 1965 Topps - 421 1966 Topps - 77 1969 Topps - 41, 64, 102, 125, 158, 227, 251, 274, 316 They are all S.F. Giants all crease free :-) 1971 Topps - 6, 22, 25, 46, 48, 76, 97, 106, 116, 126, 149, 179, 182, 204, 236, 260, 274, 281, 309, 334, 353, 364, 372, 383, 415, 426, 433, 448, 456, 467, 493, 516 Those are all Padres and Brewers 1972 Topps - 188, 189, 193, 194, 198, 199, 206, 207, 208, 209, 211, 212, 213, 214, 218, 224, 225, 227, 229, 230, 231, 232, 235, 236, 238, 239, 240, 242, 243, 244, 245, 290, 291, 292, 293, 295, 296, 297, 298, 301, 306, 307, 323, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 339, 356, 361, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 372, 373, 374, 375, 401, 402, 403, 405, 408, 409, 411, 412, 413, 421, 422, 443, 444, 452, 453, 489, 587, 591, 617, 631 #364 is Johnny Callison..isnt there someone who collects him? 323 is Earl Weaver, 240 is Rich Allen, and 198 is Charlie Hough rc. 1975 - E-mail me and Ill look at your list Like I said these are multiple doubles. I have over 20 of some of these. I will look at wantlists for individual people soon. ================= To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:57:20 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: 56 Topps team card variations The 1956 team cards come as follows: Team name middle with white or gray back Team name left with white or gray back Team dated only comes with whitebacks Team cards are 11, 72, 85, 90, 95, 100 For all numbers 1 thru 100 the white backs are slightly easier. For numbers 101 to 180 the gray backs are slightly easier. George Vrechek PS There are also a variety of line or no line around player's name or teamname variations altho many are "slight" at best eg 88, 184, 187, 240 and #5 Ted Williams. Oh, and don't forget the unlisted 6 insert game cards - andthe checklists, wrapper and some stale gum to complete the collection. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:14:38 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: pre-war checklists Anyone have some pre-war checklists for the following sets? R314 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Diamond Star National Chicle Narrow Pen I can't find them through the library section of the OBC website so I'm going to type them up myself. ================= Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:44:03 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1951 Bowman is done! Okay, the last card (#58 Slaughter) came from eBay, but the NEXT to last card was OBC-given. That counts. Never would've thought it possible or practical a few years ago, but I've now finished both the 1951 and 1952 Bowman sets, starting with a 1952 Jerry Coleman from Mike "Captain Cribbage" Diamante a mere five years ago. Huge thanks to all the OBCers who helped out, the list is too, too long. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= Date: 16 Jan 2004 00:16:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Getting close on a couple Haven't sent out a WL update in a while. While I haven't been extremely busy card wise I have made some progress on a couple of sets. I finished the 1949 MP&Co set just before Xmas and am down to 1 on the Delong set (just picked up a Gehrig) and 4 on the 41 Goudey set. Also picked up a Heinie Groh model bottle bat and a Spalding ring bat (for memorabilia lovers). Thanks to all who've sent cards since the last update and to all who've looked. Here's the links for the WLs. http://www.webspawner.com/users/prewarwantlist - All prewar sets http://www.webspawner.com/users/postwarwantlist1 - 1948 to 1961 sets http://www.webspawner.com/users/postwarwantlist - 1962 to 1972 sets ================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:30:00 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Career update I think that Rob Gioia is the only one who knows about this, but I entered the roles of the unemployed (or semi-retired) this past week after finally deciding (after 35 years) that I have had enough of public education. My six month tenure as Interim Principal Helen Keller Middle School ended when my annoying health problems led me to believe that I did not need that aggravation added to the hour-long drive to get to work. So again I enter the ranks of the retired, though I would love to find something to do with my time that can make a few bucks on side. Anyone have any ideas for an old educator who stiil has some life in him? ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 02:57:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "kevin71058" Subject: I need serious help, no heat!! Hi all, As you all know the North East has seen it's coldest weather in an half a century if not longer. Well this has caused my basebroad pipes to freeze. I have had a plumber working on it for over 10 hours and still no heat..it is getting pretty cold in the house. I am asking to see if someone has had this problem or knows someone that has had this problem. We have tried to bring the core temperture up in the house , reached 80 degrees..and still no luck, We have tried heating up the outside of the house, still no luck.. Does anyone have any suggestion, it looks like I may be without heat for days..so I need help!! ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 04:44:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: 72-76 hoops availables I have some extra memphis aba cards that I have gotten from fellow obcers in building my memphis aba collection.. if anyone is building sets of these years, I can take a crack at your list from the 20 or so dupes I have from various years... thanks to those who have hit my list...and if anyone else can help, I can gladly run my list by you.. thanks, Mark ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 05:15:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: Dumb headline I am not that big of a football fan so maybe this makes sense Must-Win for Eagles In the playoffs, isn't Must-win for every team? Lose, you go home?? Big Al in Seattle ps this was on MSN home page friday 9 pm pst ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 09:20:34 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: 56 Topps back variations Thanks to those who answered my question about the 1956 Topps gray/white back variations on the team cards from 1-180. Not sure if I'll ever get a complete set of variations, but it's good to know the facts, and the best place to ask a question is with this group! ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:13:28 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: 48 Signal Oil&Gas Variation I have an interesting variation between the 2 copies I have of Signal Oil #19. The print quality of each looks a little different, and the backs point in opposite directions. I wonder whether there were 2 print runs of this and it got switched? I'd be curious to know if anyone else has this card, and if so, which direction the back is facing - when the back is oriented correctly, flip around to the front. Are the players legs on the right or left edge of the card? Check out the variation here. I'll pass this on to Lemke and see what he thinks. http://www.iamdanaustin.com/variations/48signal19.jpg Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 13:49:03 EST To: Friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Career update Being a young educator...I am always amazed at the amount of money tutors get per hour...you can probably pick up some extra cash ($40-$80 an hour) tutoring privately and this allows you set up times and dates and places and reduces stress. My district has three retired teachers that still like to be active and all three tutor kids and make some extra money to supplement their pensions...if that does not sound fun, you can always create your own grading company, cut up old newspapers and magazines and sell them to the public on ebay.... ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:08:46 -0700 (MST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Career update Open up a card shop! :) ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:13:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Re: V04 Nothing has been said about where we will be staying for V04 i am trying to get a charter flight and with some of those you can get deals with the hotel you stay at. I am assuming (i know what tht does) we are staying at the sahara. or does it change every year ================= To: "tknowles@sofast.net" , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 16:46:55 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Career update Bob -- If you want to put the landing gear up for me, I could use a co-pilot on > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 1/17/2004 4:08:46 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Career update > Bob, > Open up a card shop! :) > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 00:07:53 -0500 From: "Joseph Duffy" Subject: 51 Bowman A few 51 Bowman left over from a ebay auction. Have at them!!! ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 02:41:45 EST To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V04 We try to get the Sahara each year, we have stayed at other locations in the past. Margaret works for AAA and usually trys to get us a deal. She hasn't started to check for deals yet. I will let evweryone know when she does. ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:51:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Free N-172 on Steve Verkmans site Friend of mine showed me this last night...on Steve Verkman's online store he has a nice N-172 Zimmer mis?listed for $0...the catch is that you have to spend $20 to make a purchase...since I dont buy from him on principle, some of you might want to try to get it...not sure what the legality is but I do know he is a BIG proponent of all sales final. ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:52:11 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: R314 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Type A/B/C I've heard about Type A/B/C within the 1936 Goudey Wide Pen set. Can someone fill me in? Does the same player appear in all types? Anyone have a checklist broken out by Type? My 2001 SCD does not break out the set by type. Is there a premium for cards from different types? Thanks. ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:55:39 EST To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R314 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Type A/B/C Steve - tim newcomb is the expert. There is an A, B, C, and D. A is the regular set and the most common one, set B is two identical sets of 24, one without borders and one with no "litho in the USA" , set C is a set of 25 on creamy stock (also called brown sepia), and set D is a canadian that looks a lot like the creamies and has 49 cards from Montreal, Toronto, and Detroit (which apparently succeeded). Tim can give us all more details. I can give you some but not nearly as good as he can. - Doug ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:54:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: 70's memphis aba needed here are some 70's aba I need..I have some dupes available if anyone building these sets.. '71/'72 - Memphis Pros > 158 Charlie Williams > 168 Wilbert Jones > 176 Gerald Govin > 185 James Jones > 203 Craig Raymond > 212 Lee Davis > '72/'73 - Memphis Tams > 193 Wilbert Jones > 221 George Thompson > '73/'74 - Memphis Tams > 185 George Thompson > 229 Warren Davis > 243 Johnny Neumann > '75/'76 - Memphis Sounds > (NOTE: the team was disbanded before the start of this > season) > 301 Billy Shepherd thanks for the help to Kent Goto, Bob Reid, Mike Rich, Dan Cipra ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 9:46:12 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Nick Foust? Have any of you had dealings with someone by the name of Nick Foust? I received an unsolicited message from him a few weeks back that I followed up on, but now his return messages are sounding suspiciously like the guy that was trying to arrange trades with OBCers late last year (can't remember his name). M.O. seems very similar: Offers cards, I counter by asking for a want list to see what I can do for him in return, he comes back saying he doesn't have a want list.....couldn't I just list the cards I have available?. Maybe I'm just being overly suspicious, but any info anyone has on this guy would be helpful. Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:08:54 -0600 From: "Greg \(yaz\)" Subject: Passing Trish's Dad, my Father-in-law, Ray A. Sills, passed away this morning at around 9:00 AM. Thank you for all your prayers and kind words. He will be missed. He was a Dodger fan by the way, but he stayed for the full nine. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:55:00 -0700 (MST) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: V04 group created I've created a new Yahoo group for Vegas 2004. If you'd like to join, please e-mail me and all send an invitation. For those of you who have never been to a Vegas event, I highly recommend it. Even if you are not a gambler, there is plenty to do--just counting Trips' strokes on the golf course is a full time job :) ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:04:00 -0500 To: seventytwop@hotmail.com ("Fr. Patrick Wattigny"), gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick Foust? ================= To: , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:37 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick Foust? Yes, but don't forget good ole St Nick! ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick Foust? Glenn and everyone, Remember the name Foust (Faust): made a deal with the devil for his soul!!! Caveat emptor? Father Pat >From: Glenn >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick Foust? >Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 9:46:12 +0000 >Have any of you had dealings with someone by the name of Nick Foust? I received an unsolicited message from him a few weeks back that I followed upon, but now his return messages are sounding suspiciously like the guy that was trying to arrange trades with OBCers late last year (can't remember his >M.O. seems very similar: Offers cards, I counter by asking for a want list to see what I can do for him in return, he comes back saying he doesn't have a want list.....couldn't I just list the cards I have available?. >Maybe I'm just being overly suspicious, but any info anyone has on this guy would be helpful. >Glasgow, Scotland >Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:22:03 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Super Bowl Pool ? The pool lifeguard has been Sean McGowan...and it's that time of the year again. Sean , if you are going to run the pool again ...and you do a fine job...count me in ! I'm picking the Pats because we have a couple Pats in our group ( Sweeney, Wattigny) but no Panthers. That's a lot better logic than my sister's old method of the "cutest uniforms" Go Pats !!??!!! OBC Forever, ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:20 EST To: tknowles@sofast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 group created Already the games are beginning? ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:31:51 EST To: TPLY@aol.com, tknowles@sofast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 group created In a message dated 01/19/2004 1:53:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, tply@aol.com Already the games are beginning? I didn't know they ever stopped ================= To: , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:43:16 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 group created The first shot has been fired...... Here's shot #2.....Al left Seattle this morning so as to arrive in time forthe opening ceremonies. only 114 days 'til V04! ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:02:53 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: AIM is now up and running I finally am online with AIM. My username is vintagecardchris so if you see me lurking about, feel free to say "hi!" Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:49:01 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool III Or is it IV? I'm not sure..... Who cares! It is a blast and ends up getting *hundreds* of cards flying across the states and around the world! I would love to run this again... I like organizing things... and of course, there is always the off chance I win :) I figure, after a couple more years, I will figure a way to fix this and win :) First, check out last years pool at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm The rules are simple. If you get a square, you are supposed to *try* to hit the winners lists. As many of the winners as you can. If you can't there are suggestions on the web page for you to try. Remember, this is not a contract to send cards. If it turns out you can't, no big deal... there will be dozens of others to cover for you :) We could all warm up by checking Howard's list. If you look at our performance last year, The number of hits for Howard was a little low.... I know it doesn't have anything to do with the difficulty of his lists... :) So, if you want a square, email me and you are in. It is that simple! The more the merrier! Load up those dupes boxes and hope that if you don't win, the new guys (with the easier lists) do! :) And, er, ah... GO PATS! ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 22:25:56 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Information Request for SABR information Subject: Information Request for SABR information Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:03:33 -0700 From: "Williams, Seth" To: I ran across your email on the SABR website and wanted to see if you could help me in my search for information regarding early minor leaguers of the 20th century. I am a collector of vintage tobacco baseball cards and am looking for information on several of the early minor league cards I have from the T206 set. These include players from the Southern League as well as other teams but I am having a hard time locating information. Any information to lead me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Seth Williams Denver, CO 80237 303-334-4000 main 303-334-8783 direct 303-334-4565 fax ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:40:21 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: Some Help needed! When my computer went down I lost all of my info, if anyone has a minute toemail me the OBC address list I would apreciate it. Thanks , ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:34:54 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Ebay dealer.. From: "Bob Thompson" To: Subject: 1970 TOPPS RYAN Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:02:00 -0800 I HAVE SEVERAL OLDER CARDS ON EBAY YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: MY USER ID IS sfgiants60 YOU CAN DO A SEARCH FOR THAT ID AND IT WILL BRING UP MY AUCTIONS. I HAVE A SEAVER, COBB, BROCK AND SOME OTHERS. BOB THOMPSON PORTLAND OR ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 05:09:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: Re: Ebay dealer.. none except I got the exact same letter, and I am done with that set so he must have an old list of mine, oh everyone has an old list of Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@a... wrote: > Anyone have any dealings with this guy? > Fwd: 1970 TOPPS RYAN > I HAVE SEVERAL OLDER CARDS ON EBAY YOU MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN: > MY USER ID IS sfgiants60 > YOU CAN DO A SEARCH FOR THAT ID AND IT WILL BRING UP MY AUCTIONS. > I HAVE A SEAVER, COBB, BROCK AND SOME OTHERS. > BOB THOMPSON > PORTLAND OR ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:51:19 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 group created To: , From: "Todd Knowles" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:43:16 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 group created The first shot has been fired...... Here's shot #2.....Al left Seattle this morning so as to arrive in time forthe opening ceremonies. only 114 days 'til V04! ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:20:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: help for this guy ( trying it a second time) I dont collect these card persay although i have a few to say i have real old cards but i dont know the history of the so called minor league cards If any one could help this person and me (i could always be enlightened) thanks would be appreciated I ran across your email on the SABR website and wanted to see if you could help me in my search for information regarding early minor leaguers of the 20th century. I am a collector of vintage tobacco baseball cards and am looking for information on several of the early minor league cards I have from the T206 set. These include players from the Southern League as well as other teams but I am having a hard time locating information. Any information to lead me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Seth Williams Denver, CO 80237 303-334-4000 main 303-334-8783 direct 303-334-4565 fax ================= To: , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:47:34 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Information Request for SABR information A couple of good sites on vintage, esp. t206 cards are; http://www.t206.com/ http://www.t206museum.com/ http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/153652 Forum dedicated to vintage BB cards. A little too much griping about silly stufff (PSA vs. SGC) but some very knowledgable people. ----- Original Message ----- From: LUURSCJG@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 10:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Information Request for SABR information I dont collect these card persay although i have a few to say i have realold cards but i dont know the history of the so called minor league cards If any one could help this person and me (i could always be enlightened)thanks would be appreciated Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:46:46 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Undisplayable messages Hi all, I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are cetain OBC members - Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose messages to the Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it in digest mode) - but after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in displayable format " - and thus I miss out on those. Is this an AOL problem? Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't mean to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears along with the reply. Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 08:55:14 EST To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages In a message dated 1/20/04 7:51:10 AM Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Hi all, I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are certain OBC members - Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose messages to the Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it in digest mode) - but after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in displayable format " - and thus I miss out on those. Is this an AOL problem? Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't mean to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears along with the reply. Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? tom: i have the same problem, and i believe ken morganti does as well. it definitely seems to be an aol problem. gm ================= To: directorth@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 14:07:28 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Tom (and others), Do you use AOL's own email reader to display your messages? If so, you might want to consider moving towards pulling your email into a dedicated reader such as Outlook. Not sure if this would help or not, but it might be worth a try. Glasgow, Scotland ============================================================ From: directorth@aol.com Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 01:46:46 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Hi all, I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are cetain OBC members - Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose messages to the Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it in digest mode) - but after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in displayable format " - and thus I miss out on those. Is this an AOL problem? Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't mean to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears along with the reply. Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:33 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: 1950 Bowman lot of 71....$10!!!! This has got to end up with one of our guys. It's a true OBC lot (all trimmed!). High bid is currently only $9.99, finishes in 9 hours... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2780993598&category=642 Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 07:40:31 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Evilbay Auction One of the better auctions I have seen lately..does this guy know his stuff, or what? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2781854635&category=2 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:00:57 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages I have the same problem with Fr. Pat's messages, but I don't use AOL. I am not computer literate, so I have no thoughts as to why. Anyone else? > In a message dated 1/20/04 7:51:10 AM Central Standard Time, > directorth@aol.com writes: > Hi all, > I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are certain OBC > members - Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose > messages to the Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it > in digest mode) - but after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, > the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in displayable > format " - and thus I miss out on those. Is this an AOL problem? > Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't > mean to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears > along with the reply. > Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? > Tom > tom: i have the same problem, and i believe ken morganti does as well. > it definitely seems to be an aol problem. gm ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:01:43 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Evilbay Auction Hey! At least he's offering FREE postage! I wonder what his reserve price is? ============================================================ From: "Grant Rainsley" Date: 2004/01/20 Tue PM 03:40:31 GMT To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Evilbay Auction One of the better auctions I have seen lately..does this guy know his stuff, or what? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2781854635&category=2 ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:11:14 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Evilbay Auction If he is offering no postage and the reserve is low he is probably just trying to boost his feedback rating ================= To: , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:26:09 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages I too can't see Fr Pat's (and Ben Fisher's) messages on the thanks digest, but I do see them on ramblings which I receive individual messages. I can see both Fr Pat and Ben's messages if I go to the Yahoo groups and look at thanks messages individually. I always assumed it was because they were formating their messages for html and the digest processor doesn't like that. Also both use hotmail accounts. Interesting. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages > I have the same problem with Fr. Pat's messages, but I don't use AOL. I am > not computer literate, so I have no thoughts as to why. Anyone else? > Neal > > In a message dated 1/20/04 7:51:10 AM Central Standard Time, > > directorth@aol.com writes: > > Hi all, > > I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are certain OBC > > members - Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose > > messages to the Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get > > in digest mode) - but after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" > > the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in > > format " - and thus I miss out on those. Is this an AOL problem? > > Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't > > mean to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message > > along with the reply. > > Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? > > > > Tom > > tom: i have the same problem, and i believe ken morganti does as well. > > it definitely seems to be an aol problem. gm > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:42:06 EST To: obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages In a message dated 1/20/04 10:31:31 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net writes: I too can't see Fr Pat's (and Ben Fisher's) messages on the thanks digest, but I do see them on ramblings which I receive individual messages. I can see both Fr Pat and Ben's messages if I go to the Yahoo groups and look at thanks messages individually. I always assumed it was because they were formatting their messages for html and the digest processor doesn't like that. Also both use hotmail accounts. Interesting. now i am curious. is there anyone who can't read fr. pat, ben's or doug's messages that don't get the digest format of the thanks emails? if so, do you use aol? is there anyone who CAN read the messages that get the digest format? do you use aol? i think there could be 2 issues at work. but because of all the hacking that goes on through outlook, i would rather not use that solution. if it is, do any of you techies have a solution? ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:29:21 PST From: boreed@hotmail.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2781748093: 1966 Topps (23) High Numbers w Stars SP's For those of you who are having a tough time finding 1966 High Numbers. Title of item: 1966 Topps (23) High Numbers w Stars SP's Starts: Jan-18-04 19:42:58 PST Ends: Jan-25-04 19:42:58 PST Price: Starts at $9.95 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2781748093 Item Description: 1966 Topps (23) High Numbers including SP's #583 Tigers Team, #580 Billy Williams, #540 Denny McLain, #591 Grant Jackson RC, #535 Willie Davis.Big lot of hard to find cards from the scarce 1966 High Number series with short prints. Also includes SP's #544 Cardinals Rookie Stars with Jimmy Williams, #555 Ron Perranoski, #586 Claude Raymond, #566 Mike Cuellar, #570 Art Mahaffey, #568 Orlando McFarlane, #559 Roberto Pena, #557 Felix Mantilla, #576 Dave Nicholson, #543 Roger Craig, #554 Jim Northrup. Too bad these cards have had their borders trimmed. They are otherwise very clean cards. See scan. Buyer pays $3.00 shipping in the United States. Accept personal check (must clear), money order, cashier's check or you can pay using Paypal. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:47:21 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2781748093: 1966 T... Think they'll fit in my 12 pocket sheets? In a message dated 1/20/2004 12:21:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, boreed@hotmail.com writes: For those of you who are having a tough time finding 1966 High Numbers. Title of item: 1966 Topps (23) High Numbers w Stars SP's Seller: libdirect Starts: Jan-18-04 19:42:58 PST Ends: Jan-25-04 19:42:58 PST Price: Starts at $9.95 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2781748093 Item Description: 1966 Topps (23) High Numbers including SP's #583 Tigers Team, #580 Billy Williams, #540 Denny McLain, #591 Grant Jackson RC, #535 Willie Davis.Big lot of hard to find cards from the scarce 1966 High Number series with short prints. Also includes SP's #544 Cardinals Rookie Stars with Jimmy Williams, #555 Ron Perranoski, #586 Claude Raymond, #566 Mike Cuellar, #570 Art Mahaffey, #568 Orlando McFarlane, #559 Roberto Pena, #557 Felix Mantilla, #576 Dave Nicholson, #543 Roger Craig, #554 Jim Northrup. Too bad these cards have had their borders trimmed. They are otherwise very clean cards. See scan. Buyer pays $3.00 shipping in the United States. Accept personal check (must clear), money order, cashier's check or you can pay using Paypal. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 16:58:40 -0500 To: grains@dccnet.com ("Grant Rainsley"), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Evilbay Auction This guy is in Ravenna, Ohio, right in my neighborhood. If shipping is a problem for anybody, I could pick them up........ "Grant Rainsley" wrote: >One of the better auctions I have seen lately..does this guy know his >stuff, or what? >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2781854635&category=2 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:15:23 EST To: Smartalecx@aol.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Date: 1/20/2004 3:16:30 PM Eastern Standard Time From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net To: obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:42:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages ================= To: , , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 15:27:30 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages this issue may have something to do with some AOL members not being able toview/receive the monthy address list I send out. Some members have absolutely no problem, while others have lots of problems. Since the list is formated using HMTL with Microsoft Word, it could be related to this too. Anysuggestions would be great! ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net Cc: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages In a message dated 1/20/04 10:31:31 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net I too can't see Fr Pat's (and Ben Fisher's) messages on the thanks digest, but I do see them on ramblings which I receive individual messages. I can see both Fr Pat and Ben's messages if I go to the Yahoo groups and lookat thanks messages individually. I always assumed it was because they were formatting their messages for html and the digest processor doesn't like that. Also both use hotmail accounts. Interesting. now i am curious. is there anyone who can't read fr. pat, ben's or doug's messages that don't get the digest format of the thanks emails? if so, doyou use aol? is there anyone who CAN read the messages that get the digest format? doyou use aol? i think there could be 2 issues at work. but because of all the hacking that goes on through outlook, i would rather not use that solution. if it is, do any of you techies have a solution? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:38:01 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages I think the problem can be cleared up by the sender of the email using plain text instead of html. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net ; smartalecx@aol.com Cc: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages this issue may have something to do with some AOL members not being able to view/receive the monthy address list I send out. Some members have absolutely no problem, while others have lots of problems. Since the list is formated using HMTL with Microsoft Word, it could be related to this too. Any suggestions would be great! ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net Cc: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages In a message dated 1/20/04 10:31:31 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net I too can't see Fr Pat's (and Ben Fisher's) messages on the thanks digest, but I do see them on ramblings which I receive individual messages. I see both Fr Pat and Ben's messages if I go to the Yahoo groups and look thanks messages individually. I always assumed it was because they were formatting their messages for html and the digest processor doesn't like that. Also both use hotmail accounts. Interesting. now i am curious. is there anyone who can't read fr. pat, ben's or doug's messages that don't get the digest format of the thanks emails? if so, do you use aol? is there anyone who CAN read the messages that get the digest format? do you use aol? i think there could be 2 issues at work. but because of all the hacking that goes on through outlook, i would rather not use that solution. if it is, do any of you techies have a solution? Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:40:37 -0500 (EST) To: boreed@hotmail.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site I don't do e-bay, but I would be interested in the Tiger cards if someone wants to work a deal. We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:37:25 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: Smartalecx@aol.com ; obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Date: 1/20/2004 3:16:30 PM Eastern Standard Time From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net To: obcbobd@comcast.net, nthomas@pol.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:42:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages ================= To: , , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:56:23 -0500 From: "galtemos" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages I also have the problem..........I assumed Father Pat was trying to communicate spiritually. > From: smartalecx@aol.com > To: DirectorTH@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages > Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:55 AM In a message dated 1/20/04 7:51:10 AM Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Hi all, I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are certain OBC members Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose messages to Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it in digest mode) - after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, the only line of text that appears is "this message is not in displayable format " - and thus I out on those. Is this an AOL problem? Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears along with the reply. Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? tom: i have the same problem, and i believe ken morganti does as well. it definitely seems to be an aol problem. gm ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:24:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT gathering at a cardshow and (my B-day) Superbowl Sunday Just a reminder that the Redford VFW show is Sunday, February 1. It is also Super Bowl Sunday and my Birthday. (Birthday) Cards are always appreciated. I am hoping to watch some pregame at a nearby Eastside Mario's Restaurant and then am willing to have some folks over to watch the game. Please RSVP. I start my new job the next morning, so a late nite is out. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 00:32:30 EST To: obcbobd@comcast.net, Smartalecx@aol.com, nthomas@pol.net From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Date: 1/20/2004 6:24:59 PM Eastern Standard Time From: obcbobd@comcast.net (Bob Donaldson) To: Smartalecx@aol.com, nthomas@pol.net, ChicoD1@aol.com From: "Bob Donaldson" To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:37:25 -0500 ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 02:33:07 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages To: , , "Geordie Calvert" From: "Bob Donaldson" Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:38:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages I think the problem can be cleared up by the sender of the email using plain text instead of html. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net ; smartalecx@aol.com Cc: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages this issue may have something to do with some AOL members not being able to view/receive the monthy address list I send out. Some members have absolutely no problem, while others have lots of problems. Since the list is formated using HMTL with Microsoft Word, it could be related to this too. Any suggestions would be great! ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcbobd@comcast.net ; nthomas@pol.net Cc: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages In a message dated 1/20/04 10:31:31 AM Central Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net I too can't see Fr Pat's (and Ben Fisher's) messages on the thanks digest, but I do see them on ramblings which I receive individual messages. I see both Fr Pat and Ben's messages if I go to the Yahoo groups and look thanks messages individually. I always assumed it was because they were formatting their messages for html and the digest processor doesn't like that. Also both use hotmail accounts. Interesting. now i am curious. is there anyone who can't read fr. pat, ben's or doug's messages that don't get the digest format of the thanks emails? if so, do you use aol? is there anyone who CAN read the messages that get the digest format? do you use aol? i think there could be 2 issues at work. but because of all the hacking that goes on through outlook, i would rather not use that solution. if it is, do any of you techies have a solution? Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:19:27 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Fr Pat, Just got my thanks digest and your message is fine. The key is to not use html formating, some mail programs such as the digest server do not like it. If anyone else is having the problem drop me a line and I'll see if I can ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages All right you all! I think this might have solved the problem, Bob Donaldson told me to turn off my rich text option! Tell me if you got it! That's different from how my dad used to say it....(tell 'em where you got it, which was something to do with slot machines when they were illegal in New Orleans in the 50's!) Father Pat >From: "galtemos" >To: , , >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages >Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 20:56:23 -0500 >I also have the problem..........I assumed Father Pat was trying to >communicate spiritually. > > From: smartalecx@aol.com > > To: DirectorTH@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages > > Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 8:55 AM > > >In a message dated 1/20/04 7:51:10 AM Central Standard Time, >directorth@aol.com writes: >Hi all, >I've had this problem for quite a while now. There are certain OBC members >Father Pat comes to mind, and I think digdug too - - whose messages to >Ramblings & Thanks servers show up in my inbox (I get it in digest mode)- >after the standard "To", "From", & "subject" lines, the only line of text >that appears is "this message is not in displayable format " - and thus I >out on those. Is this an AOL problem? >Now, when someone replies to a Father Pat message ( sorry, Padre, don't >to single you out) with a copy & paste, the original message appears along >with the reply. >Any ideas on how to eliminate this pesky problem? >tom: i have the same problem, and i believe ken morganti does as well. it >definitely seems to be an aol problem. gm Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software - optimizes dial-up to the max! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:03:17 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 995 Below is what my Daily Ramblings Digest usually looks like. I think Bob hit the problem on the head though. I also have evidence from Ben Fischer, who sends his e-mail in HTML format. I know this because I don't get the Wantlist messages in Digest mode and Ben's always comes through with a ton of 's all over it. I also have a reply from Father Pat to my "Virtual Dupes Box" that was infested with
's. I did get Doug Chamberlain's most recent message, so I think changing your outbound e-mail format from HTML to plain text will do the trick. My two cents, Ken M In a message dated 1/21/04 1:32:57 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Message: 18 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 17:32:14 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: Re: Undisplayable messages [This message is not in displayable format] Message: 19 Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:38:01 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: Undisplayable messages I think the problem can be cleared up by the sender of the email using plain text instead of html. >> ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:08:15 EST To: obcbobd@comcast.net, galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us, From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Undisplayable messages Since I'm the one responsible for stirring things up, I thought I'd best chime in with this - I too received Father Pat's message on the Thanks server & it showed up fine. Woo hoo! Problem (hopefully) solved! In a message dated 1/21/04 7:21:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net writes: > Fr Pat, > Just got my thanks digest and your message is fine. The key is to not use > html formating, some mail programs such as the digest server do not like it. > If anyone else is having the problem drop me a line and I'll see if I can > help. > thanks > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:08:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Enor Corp binder pages has anyone used these binder pages (the company is in cresskill, nj). they feel thicker than ultra pro, and i wasn't sure if they were vinyl-free. any help? gm ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:42:59 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Enor Corp binder pages Please excuse my ignorance on this subject, but if binder pages aren't vinyl-free, exactly what kind of damage do they do to the cards? If you don't ask, you'll never know! -----Original Message----- From: smartalecx@aol.com [mailto:smartalecx@aol.com] Sent: 21 January 2004 17:08 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Enor Corp binder pages has anyone used these binder pages (the company is in cresskill, nj). they feel thicker than ultra pro, and i wasn't sure if they were vinyl-free. any help? gm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor click here . ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:08:04 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Evilbay Question... Mostly for those of you that sell on Evilbay. Over the last couple of years I have sold off lots of treasures to help finance that albatross called Savary Island. Several have been rare or unique, and most have sold quite well in standard auction format. This week, I am confused..I have but one item running, a '65 CFL wax box. Admittedly this is a fairly rare item. It has gotten 2 bids so far.but here is what I am questioning.I listed it Sunday, and have received four emails from people who have not bid, asking me to end the auction, or sell it outright to them.I haven't ever run into this before.is this a relatively recent trend? Any thoughts or reasonable explanations welcome..I don't think you can end an auction after there is a bid? Or can you? Maybe I'm missing something here.go easy on me, I'm a pensioner ya know. Thanks, Grant ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:07:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Debbie's progress Debbie is doing great. She had an appointment today with an oncologist (while I was playing golf), who agreed that she did not requrie chemo or radiation. We are so blessed that the lesion was found so early. Thanks for all your prayers!! God is Good, ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:32:44 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Fw: variations again Here's a new one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2782362056&category643 I realize 1984 comes after 1980 but I thought it was interesting that variations keep popping up. This one is pretty noticeable. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 00:40:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "kevin71058" Subject: Clyde Norman Hi all, I was emailed from a person named Clyde Norman about having some cards of my wantlists that he would like to see to me.. Has anyone ever dealt with this person..? His Ebay ID is.. cnorman77 Any help would be appreciated! ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:02:28 -0800 (PST) To: George Vrechek , From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: variations again Hmm...66 cards is half a sheet. All the cards are blank-backed. Sounds like a "backdoor special" to me, or some type of post-proof/pre-production run before Topps decided to modify the design of the inset "head shot" picture. Then again, if it turns out these cards were found in wax packs, I'll have to admit I'm wrong. But I don't think so. Take care, --- George Vrechek wrote: > Here's a new one: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2782362056&category=643 > I realize 1984 comes after 1980 but I thought it was > interesting that variations keep popping up. This > one is pretty noticeable. > George Vrechek Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/signingbonus ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:17:02 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Evilbay Question... They want you to end the auction early and then have you sell it to them informally, thus bypassing the Ebay final value fees. However, I think sometimes people make these types of offers when they want to try to get a hot item at a below market price. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:23:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: Re: 1950 Bowman lot of 71....$10!!!! Dr JSG got a great deal on this one, I am not working on that set but it was easy worth the $40 or so, 50 cents for trimmied Bowmans --- a Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn wrote: > This has got to end up with one of our guys. It's a true OBC lot (all trimmed!). High bid is currently only $9.99, finishes in 9 > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > ----------------------------------------- > Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:30:28 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: A Few Evilbay Answers Have gotten quite a few responses so far to my question.thanks to all who have responded so far! Had a couple of requests to post the responses I got, so here is the first batch..names of respondents not included, since I didn't exactly ask their permission to publish. Some interesting viewpoints in here. I expect to get a few more when the guys who get Ramblings in digest form get my original question. Hi Grant, I sold several items where people made the same request (though not for cards). For one, I decided to take the offer, though that was when there were no bids. On items that had bids, I politely declined, citing the existing bidders. Hi Grant, What you're describing happens almost always with scarcer items like the one you're selling. It results when people are very interested, but are afraid the bidding will skyrocket and they want to pre-empt that. It does seem rather unethical to end an auction after there's a bid, but ebay doesn't actually prevent it, so sometimes sellers will do it when they've been offered a price that they aren't sure the auction itself will generate. These bidders are probably holding off on bidding early for the same reason, hoping you'll get nervous about the lack of bids and accept their offer. I expect your item will get a lot of interest and some high bids, but it may be a little nerve racking between now and the end. I have done more selling than buying on eBay in almost (# deleted) transactions. I have been asked sometimes to end the auction early and I have even done it myself. Most of the time, I am either very anxious to get the item and know that it's mine and others I am just feeling the seller out. Either of these could be the case. Some people prefer to let auctions run course and let the market decide. Doing this may realize you more money or less than you were offered but it is a gamble. You cannot end an auction with bids on it, so you would have to cancel the bids and then end the auction. This might turn off some people who had already bid on it or planned to. They may not buy from you in the future. Again, a gamble. Taking what you think is a fair offer is entirely your prerogative, I would think. I believe eBay has worded its provisions to vaguely state that accepting outside offers is wrong, but I am not sure. I know they always warn in their emails to beware of transactions outside of eBay. If you are happy with the direction your auction is taking, I see no reason to cancel it. Encourage those that have offered you buy prices to bid on the auction and tell them that you feel it is best to sell it at auction. Then again, if someone offers you $200 and you are not sure the item will reach that high, you might be tempted to accept. As you can see, there is no clear cut answer, so it is a personal decision. I personally do not end auctions with bids on them. Sometimes when I have no bids, I let people make their offer and then if I am happy with it, I place a Buy It Now on the item so they can purchase it immediately and it then becomes a legit eBay transaction. Sticky business, but that's eBay for you. I am no expert, but I have sold things on ebay. Actually, I have something up for auction right now. I have not experienced what has happened to you, and I don't know exactly what the rule is on this; but I would consider their request to be unethical. It seems to me that, once you have put something up for auction, you are committed to following through as you have advertised. I think they are trying to gain unfair advantage. Anyway, that's what I think on the matter. Hello Grant, I think people are trying to buy it because they are afraid the price will go high on auction. I'm willing to bet that most of those who have contacted you have a snipe bid set up for the last few seconds of the I've seen sellers end auctions early after there has been bids. They just have to cancel the bids. I contacted Evilbay about it but they don't care. They only make $$ from the sellers not the buyers. Lets hope the bidding goes high so you can buy some more lots on Slavery for us to come visit. I think it's illegal to end an auction unless you have misrepresented yourself or what you are selling. I thought I saw it on the EBay help page concerning sellers. My wife just started selling **** (censored, so as not to give away the writer's ID) and we had to look it up... Keep it coming guys, this is really interesting! ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:56:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Set Finished and Availables I had to resort to using beckett.com, but 1961 Post Chuck Estrada arrived this morning, completing my 1961 Post set! Still got two to go to finish the 1963 Post set: Manny Jiminez and Frank Thomas, neither of whom is anywhere to be found, not on ebay, not on beckett, not from any of the dealers that I usually frequent. All Points Bulletin!!! Big Reward Offered!!! Anybody know a dealer who's got 'em? Also picked up a lot of Kelloggs today, resulting in a few availables: 1973 Kelloggs: 43 Willie Davis, 37 Garr, 29 Phil Niekro, 30 Gary Nolan, 18 Ray Fosse, 41 Broberg. 1974 Kelloggs: 29 Mayberry, 21 Simmons, 35 Thompson 1976 Kelloggs: 25 Kaat Anybody else working on these sets, want to give them a good home? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:34:38 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: E120 Question OBCers -- I was going to add the E120 set to my list in celebration of completing my 1958 and/or 1970 sets in the near future (I'm down to only a few of each and I'm hitting Ebay to finish them before I move to the UK). I had a question on #19 and #20 - both are listed in the SCD as George Burns. Are those two different poses or is it an error? I noticed the same thing for 203/204 Earl Smith. I know we have some experts out there, so any help is Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:02:35 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Pugsley Subject: OBC Bios I was skimming through the bios tonight (it's 2:00 AM here in Hawaii) and I thought Howard Morgan's and Linda Fitak's bios were really interesting and a great read. Geno's was pretty good as well. Geno -- I will buy you a beer to hear the story of how you got the "Scooby" tag. I just wanted to say THANKS to all the OBCers who've taken the time to draft up their bios. I haven't done a bio yet but please feel free to visit my web page if you get a chance. I was really pissed off earlier today because my car got towed and it cost me $145 dollars to get it back. After reading the bios and drinking two beers I'm in a much better mood. Time for #3. http://johnpugsley.20m.com Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:54:21 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Only one left! http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpNWZic251BF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0aA--?slug=ap-oroscoretires&prov=ap&type=lgns Orosco decided to hang 'em up, leaving only Rickey Henderson among OBC-era (pre-1981) players. Used to hate Rickey when he was beating up my Mariners ("Yeah, well, Rickey don't care about that."), but my feelings have mellowed with the years. One more year, Rickey! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:10:20 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Few Evilbay Answers grant: if someone puts in a bid, lets say $100, but the high bid needed is only $20, can you, as a seller, see that the bidder is willing to pay $100? if so, then ending the bid early seems to be cheating the early bidder of his willingness to pay up to $100, even though the current high bid is only $20. personally, and i have never sold on eBay (yet), if there is a price i knew i would accept, i would make it a "Buy It Now" auction. that would let the people who aren't willing to chance a "bidding war" the opportunity to take it immediately. i have a problem with ending auctions early unless it is to correct an error, and i believe eBay does as well. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 11:56:51 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Houston, we have a problem Hi gang, Some of you may have heard about this in the news recently. There's a pretty big football game scheduled for Feb. 1st down in Houston, TX. The Carolina Panthers (a team representing two states I suppose) are pitted against the New England Patriots (who in turn represent six states, so they're already winning ). I, along with two of my friends just so happen to be season ticket holders for the latter team and have witnessed a perfect home season of 12 straight wins (including two pre season and two post season games). Well, as a result of advancing to the final super game, season ticket holders are entered into a lottery to buy tickets to the big event at face value... we didn't get any :-( Further compounding my problems, the lowest R/T airfare into Houston was about $800 per person. Hotel rates are also through the roof there... that is, if you can find a place with a room available. Ticket prices are currently running at about 300% face value minimum, making the cheapest seat in the upper reaches of the end zone a mere $1525 expense. In spite of all this, I have proceeded to book a flight, hotel and rental car for me and one of my friends in... San Antonio? For less than just the airfare into Houston, I got 3 nights in a hotel and a car for the same time and still have a couple hundred left over to try to buy a ticket at the game. I'm willing to pay a little more than face value for a ticket, but not what the scalpers are looking to get for them. I'm hoping some of these ticket brokers will be looking to unload them for whatever they can get as it gets closer to kickoff. We shall see. I arrive in town (San Antonio) late Friday and leave Monday afternoon. Since most of the day Sunday will be spent in search of a cheap ticket... or (worst case scenario) watching the game from a nearby local sports bar, that still leaves Saturday free. My friend mentioned The Alamo, Six Flags or Sea World plus the Spurs are home against the Jazz that night. Just wondering if there's anything else to check out while we're there... or any good card shops with stacks of beat up T205's for me to browse :-) LMK. TAYL, Ken M GO PATS!! ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:13:06 -0500 From: Bob Saxton Subject: Satchel Paige Does anyone have a 53 Topps #220,Satchel Paige? If so, would it be possible to scan the front of the card and email me the scan? The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: , Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:57:57 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Satchel Paige Here ya go -- enjoy! (If the one to the server is blocked, the direct scan should still go through). If you need higher resolution just let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Saxton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Satchel Paige > Does anyone have a 53 Topps #220,Satchel Paige? If so, would it be > possible to scan the front of the card and email me the scan? > Thanks! > Bob > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "'John Scott Gray'" , Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:03:06 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Satchel Paige JSG- that is a beauty...send it in for grading! Here ya go -- enjoy! (If the one to the server is blocked, the direct should still go through). If you need higher resolution just let me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Saxton" To: Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 11:13 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Satchel Paige > Does anyone have a 53 Topps #220,Satchel Paige? If so, would it be > possible to scan the front of the card and email me the scan? > Thanks! > Bob > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC" Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:58:22 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Subject: Card Show Report There was a mall show this weekend in Savannah Georgia. My son is a studentat the Savannah College of Art and Design, so I scheduled one of my visitsto line up with the card show. I visited the show Friday afternoon, and was disappointed to see only six tables set up. Only one dealer had any old cards. He had a binder filled with 1954 Bowmans that were on sale for half off marked price. So I pulled 24 cards that I needed, and got them for a little over three dollars each whenthey were averaged out. Mostly commons, but I did get NY Yankee Hank Bauer. Not a fantastic find but it was fun to thumb through some cardboard. I left Savannah this afternoon (Saturday), and since my card budget was still intact, I went back to the show. This same dealer pulled out some 1953 Bowmans from behind his display, and I pulled 2 B/W and 13 Color cards that I needed. He sold me these for $4 each, which wasn't really a bargain, but again I enjoyed thumbing through these cards. One color card included Brooklyn Dodger manager Charlie Dressen. I also picked up two 1949 Bowman Dodgers, and two 1951 Yankees for $3 each. ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:21:58 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Why you might want an opera program So why am I posting a message about an opera program ?? Is it because our former secretary actually remebered the SF Opera director from 1948 ?? Or because it was their 25 th aniversary, as prominantly noted on the other two copies that I still have after I gave her one ? :) Its those guys Williamns, Musial, Riggs, etc, on the ad on the back. Two copies available for the asking. Don't be shy about asking, just promise me that you will not run out and buy those smokes they are pushing ... ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:55:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Subject: And now for something really different... cardboard and cookies, anyone? ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:18:20 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Ft. Wahsington OK gang, who is planning to attend the March festivities at Ft. Washington? I will be there (either overnight Friday into Saturday or all day Saturday, depending on a couple of things) and presume a few of you will as well. I haven't been in almost a year-and-a-half and I'm itching do so. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 14:01:53 -0500 To: dsh46@aol.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ft. Wahsington I am planning to go to the Ft. Washington show on Friday march 5th. If anyone else is going that night let me know. Quoting dsh46@aol.com: > OK gang, who is planning to attend the March festivities at Ft. Washington? > I will be there (either overnight Friday into Saturday or all day Saturday, > depending on a couple of things) and presume a few of you will as well. I > haven't been in almost a year-and-a-half and I'm itching do so. > Dave ================= To: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 18:40:15 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ft. Wahsington I will be attending on Sunday . ----- Original Message ----- From: dsh46@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 11:18 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ft. Wahsington OK gang, who is planning to attend the March festivities at Ft. Washington? I will be there (either overnight Friday into Saturday or all day Saturday, depending on a couple of things) and presume a few of you will as well. I haven't been in almost a year-and-a-half and I'm itching do so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 01:25:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob Farrell" Subject: Annual Rhode Island show Saturday 1/31 8:30 - 4pm Anyone going ? I will be there. If anyone is interested I would be happy to host a swap session at my house in the afternoon. Its shaping up to be a fun weekend. Card show and Pats in the super bowl. What could be better. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 20:20:41 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: Off we go into the Wild Blue Yonder... OBCers -- I'm checking off for a couple of weeks as I need to go fly some tests down at White Sands Missile Range. I'll be back in two weeks, so if you're looking for me, standby. I actually sat down today and emptied my dupes box into OBC-land! Not a single dupe remains, so hopefully I can find a shop in Alamogordo, NM to replenish, otherwise I'll have to hit Ebay when I get back... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 22:42:29 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool - IV Ok, if you emailed me, check the pool squares at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm to make sure I have you there. If you are not listed and you want in, let me know ASAP. I will set up the squares and draw the numbers on Thursday evening so that everyone will have enough time to print the pool out at work on Friday :) We have 35 OBC'ers in so far! Go Pats! ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 10:38:32 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: ESPN.com: ESPN.com Story You have received this ESPN.com mail from: Todd Knowles The "ESPN.com Story" story is located at http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=olney_buster Maybe we'll be attending Major League games by v06? Todd Knowles ESPN SportsFlash - Customized Headlines and Scores sent daily. ESPN.com's daily headlines can be delivered to you each day by subscribing to SportsFlash today. http://dynamic.espn.go.com/espn/beacon/email ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:00:41 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: More on that CFL Wax Box The auction ended yesterday.it went for almost $60 U.S. I'm happy enough with that, that means three rolls of insulation. The interesting part is that I had a total of 5 people email me, asking me to end the auction..4 of them even after a bid was placed. One offered $40 Canadian, the others wanted to dance about a price. I went back through the bid history, and not one of those who emailed me about the box even put in a bid. Moral of the story: let it ride! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:11:20 PST From: toppsrun368@peoplepc.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2777139426: 1912 T202 Triple Folder Singles 35 Different I know some of the members in the group collect some card sets split in half or otherwise. I don't know if these T202s are on any lists, but I thought they were neat. Title of item: 1912 T202 Triple Folder Singles 35 Different Starts: Jan-16-04 17:00:00 PST Ends: Jan-26-04 17:00:00 PST Price: Currently $36.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2777139426 Item Description: 1912 T202 Triple Folder baseball card lot 35 different cut singles in overall F to VG condition...Unfortunately someone cut these into individual cards as shown in scan...Commons lot highlited by Mordecai Brown,Zach Wheat...Please be sure to check out our 175 lots of vintage sportcards every week on e Bay...Our offices will be closed Jan.16th through the 24th... Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 12:25:37 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: AVAILABLES 1959 FB #S120.167.69.80.89.118.173.135.154.24.25.66.28.48.157.33.174.125.122.172.111.90.77.67. 1958FB24.55.11.13.88.82.108.28.10. LMK, KIT ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:21:14 -0600 To: _ramblings From: Rick & Deb Subject: CoolPix 1/26 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Tug McGraw leaping off the mound THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:06:10 EST To: debrick@onemain.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Ok it's amazing how good Ken still looks after having his picture taken in the 60s . I have to figure a way to get that to cardboard and have it autographed! Maybe its time for another OBC baseball card set! ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Date: 1/26/2004 8:25:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: debrick@onemain.com (Rick & Deb) Reply-to: debrick@onemain.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (_ramblings) Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Tug McGraw leaping off the mound THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (rly-xg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.200]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v97.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXG12-4584015be06c4; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:25:53 -0500 Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG32-4584015be06c4; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:25:26 -0500 Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan 2004 00:21:11 -0000 X-Sender: debrick@onemain.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36150 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.182) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from dialup-240-19-ks1.southwind.net ([216.236.19.240] by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AlGyY-0007BS-00 for OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:21:07 -0800 Message-ID: <4015AEFA.7090100@onemain.com> Organization: http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/favorite.htm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 Netscape6/6.0 X-Accept-Language: en To: _ramblings X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.182 From: Rick & Deb X-Yahoo-Profile: debrick92 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:21:14 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Reply-To: debrick@onemain.com X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:25:51 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, debrick@onemain.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Date: 1/26/2004 10:11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time From: seanobc@comcast.net (Sean McGowan) To: debrick@onemain.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com From: "Sean McGowan" To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:11:08 -0500 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 22:11:08 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Maybe we could all be on cards from our birthyear! How do you think Howardwould look on a t-206? ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: debrick@onemain.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Ok it's amazing how good Ken still looks after having his picture taken in the 60s . I have to figure a way to get that to cardboard and have itautographed! Maybe its time for another OBC baseball card set! Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Date: 1/26/2004 8:25:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: debrick@onemain.com (Rick & Deb) Reply-to: debrick@onemain.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (_ramblings) Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Tug McGraw leaping off the mound THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: Received: from rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (rly-xg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.200]) by air-xg01.mail.aol.com (v97.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXG12-4584015be06c4; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:25:53 -0500 Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.68]) by rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG32-4584015be06c4; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:25:26 -0500 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-3239392-8392-1075162870-ChicoD1aol.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 27 Jan2004 00:21:11 -0000 X-Sender: debrick@onemain.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 36150 invoked from network); 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.182) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jan 2004 00:21:07 -0000 Received: from dialup-240-19-ks1.southwind.net ([216.236.19.240] heloonemain.com) by sire.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1AlGyY-0007BS-00 for OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 26 Jan 2004 16:21:07 -0800 Message-ID: <4015AEFA.7090100@onemain.com> Organization: http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/favorite.htm User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; m18) Gecko/20001108 X-Accept-Language: en To: _ramblings X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 207.217.120.182 From: Rick & Deb X-Yahoo-Profile: debrick92 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact OBC-Ramblings-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:21:14 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 1/26 Reply-To: debrick@onemain.com X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.68 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: 27 Jan 2004 04:10:50 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: How much would you be willing to contribute to a project where you get 100 cards of yourself with full color gloss front, 11 line bio on back printed on 100 LB stock? Poll ends Feb 1st! o $12 (.12/card) o $15 (.15/card) o $20 (.20/card) o $23 (.23/card) o $25 (.25/card) o $28 (.28/card) o $30 (.30/card) o $33 (.33/card) o $35 (.35/card) o $38 (.38/card) o $40 (.40/card) o $42 (.42/card) o $45 (.45/card) o $50 (.50/card) o $52 (.52/card) o $55 (.55/card) o $58 (.58/card) o $60 (.60/card) o $63 (.63/card) o $65 (.65/card) o $68 (.68/card) o $70 (.70/card) o $74 (.74/card) o $77 (.77/card) o $79 (.79/card) To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11613653 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:26:49 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists I am taking a look at my wantlists with an eye on realistically completing the sets at some point. I have basically left my 54 Topps to present list intact. I wanted to put a handful of pre-war sets on my list that are realistic to complete. I have taken off the following from my wantlist. I am inquiring if anyone has words of wisdom concerning the new sets I am proposing to add, or if there are others that would be better candidates to complete. Thank you in advance. Erik G. Sets I have removed, and why: 48-49,51-52 Bowman (No interest in the 48-49 sets, and the Mantles are prohibitively expensive in the other sets) 55 Bowman (I sold my autographed, partial set, and I have no interest in completing the set) 51-53 Topps (No interest in the red/blue backs, and the Mantles and high numbers are prohibitively expensive in the other sets) T205 (I have around four) T206 (I have about ¼ of the set, but I can't see ever finishing the set) T207 (I have around four) Sets I am proposing to add: T200 (I really like these, and Richard Hankins got me started with a PHI A about a year and a half ago) T201 (This set seems doable) E-96 (Andy Cook, stated in an email back in August 2002 that this set was very attainable) 34-36 Diamond Stars Other Items to add: I figure I can also add something similar to what Brian Lindholme has, by collecting a card for each Hall of Famer. I would collect only cards from their playing days. I am also going to take a look and Dave Hornish's type card list. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:37:26 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Not sure who's doing this poll, but what would I want with 100 cards of myself? I'd be interested in participating if we did a set of OBC members though. - Doug ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:24:50 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists Any time I see my name in the news, I cannot help myself but to comment I think you have the right idea about adding sets, it's all about what really interests you...but hang on to those decommissioned cards because you might warm back up to them someday ( I did that just recently with both the 59's and 56's...I sent off dozens of these in earlier OBC years, but I like them again and I want to do the sets ....I'm glad I held on to the Mantles I also really wished I had been keeping my webpage up to date to show new scans and newly elected HOFers ( in the last couple years)...I have at least one "playing years" card of each post-1900 Hall of Famer except Babe Ruth. I actually have several different cards of each player, in various sets (mostly) and would someday like to acquire all the HOFers in every major set....right after I buy a luxury condo in Bora Bora. Fellow insane collector Mark Talbot probably said it best...if you plan on living a long time, and have no intention of ever stopping card collecting, you may as well put all the cards you like on your list. It's the eternal collection theory.... I wonder how many of us have ever thought about the day that we would STOP collecting cards...like give them to sons or grandsons and never flip through another stack of Arnie Portecarros , Lennie Greens or Dee Fondys ??? It hurts to even think that when/ if I'm eighty that I might not be able to look for that elusive 68 Dooley Womack or 53 Mickey Grasso....ouch ! So it's bad news for my 9-yr old son John. He's gonna have to get his own card collection unless he's patient enough to wait until I'm playing first base for the Angels (in the Big Garden) then I guess he can have my old HOF And the rest of you guys will get all the dupes that I acquire until then My advice, put the new ones on your list & keep the others you still like on the list... We will all try and hit them and give them a kick start.( Right fellas ??) OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:26 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists > I am taking a look at my wantlists with an eye on realistically completing > the sets at some point. I have basically left my 54 Topps to present list > intact. I wanted to put a handful of pre-war sets on my list that are > realistic to complete. I have taken off the following from my wantlist. > am inquiring if anyone has words of wisdom concerning the new sets I am > proposing to add, or if there are others that would be better candidates > complete. Thank you in advance. > Erik G. > Sets I have removed, and why: > 48-49,51-52 Bowman (No interest in the 48-49 sets, and the Mantles are > prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > 55 Bowman (I sold my autographed, partial set, and I have no interest in > completing the set) > 51-53 Topps (No interest in the red/blue backs, and the Mantles and high > numbers are prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > T205 (I have around four) > T206 (I have about ¼ of the set, but I can't see ever finishing the set) > T207 (I have around four) > Sets I am proposing to add: > T200 (I really like these, and Richard Hankins got me started with a PHI A > about a year and a half ago) > T201 (This set seems doable) > E-96 (Andy Cook, stated in an email back in August 2002 that this set was > very attainable) > 34-36 Diamond Stars > Other Items to add: > I figure I can also add something similar to what Brian Lindholme has, by > collecting a card for each Hall of Famer. I would collect only cards from > their playing days. > I am also going to take a look and Dave Hornish's type card list. > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:24:06 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: 1/26/2004 11:43:19 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 23:37:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:26:07 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 100 personalized trading cards If you had 100 cards of yourself, you could send 1 to each member that sends you their personalized trading card. Or autograph them & send one to each member that sends you a hit to your list till you run out. You could even hand serial # them if you want or crumple them up so they are in Tipton shape. Or you could use them like business cards. If one person was in charge of the project.... he could get a diff # on each card (Spike gets card #5!) so it would actually be a mini set of sorts. If 12 OBCers paid, then it could be #'d 1-12. Then the person in charge could stack up a complete set of 12 for each of the 12 people & mail that 12 card set along with the other 88 cards still left in the stack. So each person would have 89 of themself & 1 each of the other 11 OBCers, making 100 cards total. Terry Woods I think did this a few years back when 20 or so OBCers had cards made. I think another set was made before that of OBCers. Glenn has also talked about this project & did some research but was considering that ugly 62 wood set design I hate :-) Of course it'd be cheaper if we got 50 of each instead of 100, the cards were smaller, had no color or if the paper was thinner (24 lb). If you can't vote at the site send me an email if you are willing to contribute & let me know your max $. I checked one place (Ameri Press)a few moths back (100 LB stock/full color gloss front// 11 line bio & 2.5 x 3.5 size) & the price is ABOUT 25/$57, 50/$59, 75/$61 & 100/$63 which includes S&H. For 150 cards it'd be about $67 (.45 per card) which would mean every OBC member could get one of you. That's 50 extra cards for only $4 more (8 cents each!). You get to choose from 9 sports logos (or pick a # but not both it looks like) & you also get to pick 2 of the 14 colors for each card. The logos are: Baseball, basketball, football, golf ball, soccer ball, tennis ball, volleyball, hockey puck & racing flags. The photo can be horizontal if desired. They show 2 different designs for the front. Can anyone check a print shop near them & compare? Any VCTers interested in this idea? This is the 1st & only place I've checked (AmeriPress) & the work is not done in house. They are not done in sheets I was told. I'll do a poll about it in VCT too, in a few minutes. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 06:33:37 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: test ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 07:51:24 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous donation Kinda surprised by the lack of reaction to Ken's email. This is great This activity show's what OBC is all about. Taking a wonderful boyhood hobby, which has been over-commercialized and almost ruined by investors, grading companies and the like - and returning the innocence and joy. And most importantly helping the children of a dear friend. Thanks to all who participated in the auction and a big thanks to Ken (my OBC MVP!!!) for such a Herculean effort! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 2:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous > Attachment free version for those of you with Outlook Express.... > ----------------- > Forwarded Message: > Subj: Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous donation > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29:20 AM > From: raredpath@hotmail.com > To: cardclctor@aol.com > From: raredpath@hotmail.com (Roberta Redpath) > To: cardclctor@aol.com > Dear Ken, > Thank you so much for the card you sent last week. It was so nice to see > your return address stamp, and remember how excited Rick was to come home > each night and check out what had come in that day's mail. Getting the > just isn't the same any more, and it's just one of the many ways that Rick > is missed by all of us. > I was stunned when I read your note, and broke down crying while I was > reading. The kids happened to be in the room, and each was initially > alarmed as to what was upsetting me. As I explained why I was crying, and > what you all had done for them, they were awestruck. WOW! was their > immediate response, followed by a discussion of college, and their ideas > the future. After they had calmed down a bit, we talked more about the > of why people they didn't know personally would want to do such a > and generous thing for them. It was a wonderful lesson for them about > goodness that there is in the world. Although they have suffered this > terrible loss, and had to witness and endure such unspeakable suffering, > they have also experienced equally unbelievable acts of kindness and > generosity. > I know that Rick was a committed member of your group, and took the > connections he made more seriously than the card he collected. You all > demonstrated with your generous gift, that you too know what is really > valuable in life. You all have been a powerful example to Ian and Casey > the goodness that comes from friendship and commitment. I know that they > will carry this example with them always, and do their best to honor all > those who have given so generously to assure their future happiness and > success. > Thank you again. > Warmly, > Roberta Redpath > _________________________________________________________________ > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed > experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Announcements/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Announcements-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 27 Jan 2004 13:34:01 -0000 To: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists I'd recommend the 41 Play Ball set. It's the first prewar set I ever worked on. The cards are readily available, only 72 in the set and they are very beautiful. Even the Williams and the DiMaggio can be had reasonably as beaters mcommonly turn up on Ebay. The 36 Goudey set has very few cards and none are excessively expensive. The 1936 S & S game card set is another that's loaded with HOFers but not terribly pricey. Those might be some 30's On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:26:49 -0800, "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" wrote : > I am taking a look at my wantlists with an eye on realistically completing > the sets at some point. I have basically left my 54 Topps to present list > intact. I wanted to put a handful of pre-war sets on my list that are > realistic to complete. I have taken off the following from my wantlist. I > am inquiring if anyone has words of wisdom concerning the new sets I am > proposing to add, or if there are others that would be better candidates to > complete. Thank you in advance. > Erik G. > Sets I have removed, and why: > 48-49,51-52 Bowman (No interest in the 48-49 sets, and the Mantles are > prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > 55 Bowman (I sold my autographed, partial set, and I have no interest in > completing the set) > 51-53 Topps (No interest in the red/blue backs, and the Mantles and high > numbers are prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > T205 (I have around four) > T206 (I have about ¼ of the set, but I can't see ever finishing the set) > T207 (I have around four) > Sets I am proposing to add: > T200 (I really like these, and Richard Hankins got me started with a PHI A > about a year and a half ago) > T201 (This set seems doable) > E-96 (Andy Cook, stated in an email back in August 2002 that this set was > very attainable) > 34-36 Diamond Stars > Other Items to add: > I figure I can also add something similar to what Brian Lindholme has, by > collecting a card for each Hall of Famer. I would collect only cards from > their playing days. > I am also going to take a look and Dave Hornish's type card list. > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 27 Jan 2004 13:39:26 -0000 To: "Brian Lindholme" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists I echo Brian's sentiments. I sent out all my 52 Topps (about 60 of them) when Im first joined and later about 35 t206's. Now wish I had those suckers back. Just put 'em aside for a while. On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:24:50 -0800, "Brian Lindholme" wrote : > Erik, > Any time I see my name in the news, I cannot help myself but to comment > > I think you have the right idea about adding sets, it's all about what > really interests you...but hang on to those decommissioned cards because you > might warm back up to them someday ( I did that just recently with both the > 59's and 56's...I sent off dozens of these in earlier OBC years, but I like > them again and I want to do the sets ....I'm glad I held on to the Mantles > !!) > I also really wished I had been keeping my webpage up to date to show new > scans and newly elected HOFers ( in the last couple years)...I have at least > one "playing years" card of each post-1900 Hall of Famer except Babe Ruth. I > actually have several different cards of each player, in various sets > (mostly) and would someday like to acquire all the HOFers in every major > set....right after I buy a luxury condo in Bora Bora. > Fellow insane collector Mark Talbot probably said it best...if you plan on > living a long time, and have no intention of ever stopping card collecting, > you may as well put all the cards you like on your list. It's the eternal > collection theory.... > I wonder how many of us have ever thought about the day that we would STOP > collecting cards...like give them to sons or grandsons and never flip > through another stack of Arnie Portecarros , Lennie Greens or Dee Fondys ??? > It hurts to even think that when/ if I'm eighty that I might not be able to > look for that elusive 68 Dooley Womack or 53 Mickey Grasso....ouch ! > So it's bad news for my 9-yr old son John. He's gonna have to get his own > card collection unless he's patient enough to wait until I'm playing first > base for the Angels (in the Big Garden) then I guess he can have my old HOF > collection... > And the rest of you guys will get all the dupes that I acquire until then > !!! > My advice, put the new ones on your list & keep the others you still like on > the list... We will all try and hit them and give them a kick start.( Right > fellas ??) > OBC Forever, > Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" > To: "OBC Ramblings" > Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 8:26 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation of Advice on Wantlists > > I am taking a look at my wantlists with an eye on realistically completing > > the sets at some point. I have basically left my 54 Topps to present list > > intact. I wanted to put a handful of pre-war sets on my list that are > > realistic to complete. I have taken off the following from my wantlist. > I > > am inquiring if anyone has words of wisdom concerning the new sets I am > > proposing to add, or if there are others that would be better candidates > to > > complete. Thank you in advance. > > > > Erik G. > > > > Sets I have removed, and why: > > > > 48-49,51-52 Bowman (No interest in the 48-49 sets, and the Mantles are > > prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > > 55 Bowman (I sold my autographed, partial set, and I have no interest in > > completing the set) > > 51-53 Topps (No interest in the red/blue backs, and the Mantles and high > > numbers are prohibitively expensive in the other sets) > > T205 (I have around four) > > T206 (I have about ¼ of the set, but I can't see ever finishing the set) > > T207 (I have around four) > > > > Sets I am proposing to add: > > > > T200 (I really like these, and Richard Hankins got me started with a PHI A > > about a year and a half ago) > > T201 (This set seems doable) > > E-96 (Andy Cook, stated in an email back in August 2002 that this set was > > very attainable) > > 34-36 Diamond Stars > > > > Other Items to add: > > > > I figure I can also add something similar to what Brian Lindholme has, by > > collecting a card for each Hall of Famer. I would collect only cards from > > their playing days. > > > > I am also going to take a look and Dave Hornish's type card list. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:19:07 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson From: Mark S Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in Hello Bob,

    I don't think I would confuse the "lack of written reaction" to the letter from Roberta Redpath that Ken M. forwarded for "lack of reaction".  Trust me when I say I was full of reaction, but I didn't necessarily feel like I needed to say anything.  I might be speaking for many here that feel that accepting Roberta's heartfelt words in "humble silence" is best.  We all know what we did for the boys, now is not the time to glad-handing each other.
    Don't misunderstand me Bob, I am not rebuking you for your sentiment just informing you that some of us simply react differently.  Roberta's words touched me deeply and I am pleased that the boys have something positive to look forward to in their future.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Bob Donaldson wrote:

 Kinda surprised by the lack of reaction to Ken's email.  This is great

This activity show's what OBC is all about.  Taking a wonderful
hobby, which has been over-commercialized and almost ruined by
grading companies and the like - and returning the innocence and joy.  And
most importantly helping the children of a dear friend.

Thanks to all who participated in the auction and a big thanks to Ken (my
OBC MVP!!!) for
such a Herculean effort!

----- Original Message -----
From: <cardclctor@aol.com>
To: <OBC-announcements@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 2:39 PM
Subject: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC for your

> Attachment free version for those of you with Outlook Express....
> -----------------
> Forwarded Message:
> Subj:    Thank you  to everyone in OBC for your generous donation
> Date:   Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29:20 AM
> From:   raredpath@hotmail.com
> To:     cardclctor@aol.com
> From:   raredpath@hotmail.com (Roberta Redpath)
> To: cardclctor@aol.com
> Dear Ken,
> Thank you so much for the card you sent last week.  It was so nice to see
> your return address stamp, and remember how excited Rick was to come home
> each night and check out what had come in that day's mail.  Getting the
> just isn't the same any more, and it's just one of the many ways that Rick
> is missed by all of us.
> I was stunned when I read your note, and broke down crying while I was
> reading.  The kids happened to be in the room, and each was initially
> alarmed as to what was upsetting me.  As I explained why I was crying, and
> what you all had done for them, they were awestruck.  WOW! was their
> immediate response, followed by a discussion of college, and their ideas
> the future.  After they had calmed down a bit, we talked more about the
> of why people they didn't know personally would want to do such
> and generous thing for them.  It  was a wonderful lesson for them about
> goodness that there is in the world.  Although they have suffered this
> terrible loss, and had to witness and endure such unspeakable
> they have also experienced equally unbelievable acts of kindness
> generosity.
> I know that Rick was a committed member of your group, and took
> connections he made more seriously than the card he collected.  You all
> demonstrated with your generous gift, that you too know what is really
> valuable in life.  You all have been a powerful example to Ian and Casey
> the goodness that comes from friendship and commitment.  I know that they
> will carry this example with them always, and do their best to honor all
> those who have given so generously to assure their future happiness
> success.
> Thank you again.
> Warmly,
> Roberta Redpath
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Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:33:45 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: personalized trading cards from www.AllCoaches.com ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:14:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: EnteractiveTrading Card Maker/ 15% off @ "All ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:18:33 -0500 (EST) To: talbot1@comcast.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: Bob Donaldson From: Mark S Talbot Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:19:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:53:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT gathering on Super Sunday in Redford, Michigan Another reminder that this Sunday, Super Bowl Sunday February 1 (aka Mike Rich's Birthday) is the next Redford VFW card show. Located on the SE corner of I-96 and Inkster. Show starts about 9:00 and runs until 2:00. I ahve also arranged for Comic's Archives (a tore located less than 2 miles away) to give OBCers a 25% discount this Sunday only. This is the store that provided the dealer scum cards I recently offered. Fair prices based upon condition. I expect that we will go to Eastside Mario's for their 1/2 off appetizers after the show or store (Comic's Archives and Eastside Mario's are both on Plymouth Raod about 3 1/2 miles apart). We can either stay at Eastside Mario's or go back to my house to watch the Super Bowl for those interested. Please LMK if you plan on attending any of the events outlined above. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:15:48 EST To: talbot1@comcast.net, obcbobd@comcast.net From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC fo... I kind of felt the same way. Choked up and speechless kind of described it. All I can really say is 'we done good' and Ken did one hell of a job! ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous donation Date: 1/27/2004 9:37:02 PM Eastern Standard Time From: talbot1@comcast.net (Mark S Talbot) To: obcbobd@comcast.net (Bob Donaldson) CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) Hello Bob, I don't think I would confuse the "lack of written reaction" to the letter from Roberta Redpath that Ken M. forwarded for "lack of reaction". Trust me when I say I was full of reaction, but I didn't necessarily feel like I needed to say anything. I might be speaking for many here that feel that accepting Roberta's heartfelt words in "humble silence" is best. We all know what we did for the boys, now is not the time to glad-handing each other. Don't misunderstand me Bob, I am not rebuking you for your sentiment just informing you that some of us simply react differently. Roberta's words touched me deeply and I am pleased that the boys have something positive to look forward to in their future. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock ********************************* * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * Bob Donaldson wrote: > Kinda surprised by the lack of reaction to Ken's email. This is great > stuff!!! This activity show's what OBC is all about. Taking a wonderful > boyhood > hobby, which has been over-commercialized and almost ruined by investors, > grading companies and the like - and returning the innocence and joy. And > most importantly helping the children of a dear friend. Thanks to all who > participated in the auction and a big thanks to Ken (my > OBC MVP!!!) for > such a Herculean effort! thanks Bob ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 2:39 PM > Subject: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous > donation > > Attachment free version for those of you with Outlook Express.... > > > > > > ----------------- > > Forwarded Message: > > > > Subj: Thank you to everyone in OBC for your generous donation > > Date: Sunday, January 25, 2004 10:29:20 AM > > From: raredpath@hotmail.com > > To: cardclctor@aol.com > > > > From: raredpath@hotmail.com (Roberta Redpath) > > To: cardclctor@aol.com > > > > Dear Ken, > > > > > > Thank you so much for the card you sent last week. It was so nice to see > > your return address stamp, and remember how excited Rick was to come home > > each night and check out what had come in that day's mail. Getting the > mail > > just isn't the same any more, and it's just one of the many ways that Rick > > is missed by all of us. > > > > I was stunned when I read your note, and broke down crying while I was > > reading. The kids happened to be in the room, and each was initially > > alarmed as to what was upsetting me. As I explained why I was crying, and > > what you all had done for them, they were awestruck. WOW! was their > > immediate response, followed by a discussion of college, and their ideas > for > > the future. After they had calmed down a bit, we talked more about the > idea > > of why people they didn't know personally would want to do such a > wonderful > > and generous thing for them. It was a wonderful lesson for them about > the > > goodness that there is in the world. Although they have suffered this > > terrible loss, and had to witness and endure such unspeakable suffering, > > they have also experienced equally unbelievable acts of kindness and > > generosity. > > > > I know that Rick was a committed member of your group, and took the > personal > > connections he made more seriously than the card he collected. You all > have > > demonstrated with your generous gift, that you too know what is really > > valuable in life. You all have been a powerful example to Ian and Casey > of > > the goodness that comes from friendship and commitment. I know that they > > will carry this example with them always, and do their best to honor all > > those who have given so generously to assure their future happiness and > > success. > > > > Thank you again. > > > > Warmly, > > > > Roberta Redpath > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed > > experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1 > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > To visit your group on the web, go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Announcements/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Announcements-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xk02.mx.aol.com (rly-xk02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.39]) by air-xk01.mail.aol.com (v97.18) with ESMTP id MAILINXK12-57a4017202329f; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:37:02 -0500 Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) by rly-xk02.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXK22-57a4017202329f; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 21:36:19 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 01:06:33 -0000 X-Sender: talbot1@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 6853 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 00:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 00:19:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) (216.148.227.85) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 00:19:25 -0000 Received: from comcast.net by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2004012800191001400442cpe> (Authid: talbot1); Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:19:10 +0000 Message-ID: <4016FFFA.64336EB@comcast.net> Organization: comcast X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en To: Bob Donaldson Cc: OBC Ramblings References: <102.3d4a6225.2d45755b@aol.com> < X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 216.148.227.85 From: Mark S Talbot X-Yahoo-Profile: markstalbot MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 19:19:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone OBC for your generous donation X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.93 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 4 ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:22:06 EST To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] personalized trading cards from www.AllCoaches.com Here's one I did with a program I bought. I never figured out how much it would cost between ink and card-stock, but I think we could do better pricewise. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:54:22 EST To: talbot1@comcast.net, obcbobd@comcast.net From: Sweendoger@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC fo... Nicely said Mark, thanks OBC. In a message dated 1/27/2004 6:36:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: Hello Bob, I don't think I would confuse the "lack of written reaction" to the letter from Roberta Redpath that Ken M. forwarded for "lack of reaction". Trust me when I say I was full of reaction, but I didn't necessarily feel like I needed to say anything. I might be speaking for many here that feel that accepting Roberta's heartfelt words in "humble silence" is best. We all know what we did for the boys, now is not the time to glad-handing each other. Don't misunderstand me Bob, I am not rebuking you for your sentiment just informing you that some of us simply react differently. Roberta's words touched me deeply and I am pleased that the boys have something positive to look forward to in their future. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:37:23 EST To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] personalized trading cards from www.AllCoaches.com Ok seems AOL is a problem for seeing the card. Here is the link to see it: http://members.aol.com/chicod1/softball.jpg And no Al, that is NOT a toy bat I'm using (ok, it was a 26-27 oz, but it wasn't plastic !) ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:00:48 EST To: ChicoD1@aol.com, talbot1@comcast.net, obcbobd@comcast.net From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC fo... Did everyone miss my reply? One word: "Wow" ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:08:21 -0500 (EST) To: david.fallen@comcast.net (Dave Fallen) From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: #1944 #5 #1963 / Bill Lee article (free) I posted a note to OBC about a Gwynn #1944 a few months back as I couldn't remember who collected the 1944 #s. Did you see my message & get the card? Spike collects #5 I'm sure you know. But the "5" has to actually be ON the card, NOT just the 5th listed in a checklist of un-numbered cards (such as T206s etc). Ya'll guys have a cool idea for sure! I've often thought of doing something like that with #440 or #1963 :-) Also Stufflestreet has considered a # or two also, he told me. That reminds me, even if someone has a fav 5 digit # they are in luck. I have a Carl Pickens (WR) insert card that is #d to like 46,000 or so! I'll go on the record now with starting a 1963 collection. Not the set from 1963 (maybe later) but any card #d 1963. Who else wants to get in on this? What were your #s Chris :-) =========================== #5 Matt "Spike" Glidden (see want list) #1944 Dave Fallen (has 16 so far!) #1963 Keith Summers (none!) ============================ I have a 6-7 page article from Oct 2000 Men's Journal (Michael Johnson on cover). I tore it out pretty neatly & have the pages & cover to mail to someone for free. The article titled BASEBALL, RUM AND CASTRO is about BILL SPACEMAN LEE & some guys barnstormin Cuba & playing a bunch of games, spreading goodwill etc. Send your addy if you want it. =============================== ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:43:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mark zentkovich" Subject: 70's hoops needed new list need one of each year for my memphis tigers collection. I think he played for the Nets for at least part of his career Larry Kenon 74-75 Larry Kenon 75-76 Larry Kenon 77-78 Larry Kenon 79-80 thanks for looking.. and can anyone recommend a dealer scum for my last few memphis aba commons I need from 71-76? thanks, markz ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:02:49 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: A true ramble warning: long and incoherent. Today, as happened yesterday, the place I work shut down because of the snow here in DC. Boy, will my next paycheck stink! Its not very good to begin with so even after cutting out spending money on cards, I'm still spending more than my paycheck each month. Something's gotta give soon. Either I change jobs, find a second job, or cut back further on spending. I also need to move out a lot of the extra cards I have sitting here. Most of them aren't "dupes" according to the dictionary. I bought them well after I finished my sets and I never tried to upgrade. The main reason why I've continued to buy cards after my sets are complete is to give them out to OBCers. But now I feel like I can't afford to do that any more (or as much as I was). Its a terrible feeling. Do I offer to sell you some card I had originally planned to give you? Do I sell them to another OBCer? I haven't ever sold anything on ebay yet. I figure its easier for me to sell something privately to another OBCer. I might get less money for it than on the free market as usually I ask for only what I paid. But I avoid lots of hassles (scanning, tracking down people for payments, multiple trips to the post office). So far now, ebay is a last resort. Anyway, anyone want to buy a well stocked box of cards? I think the 30s stuff is mostly spoken for. Its the highest value stuff and the stuff everyone wants. I have some T206s and have to figure out who to offer them to. Boy, I hate deciding that YOU will get this card from me while 150 other people go without. Thats a big reason why I'm so slow about selling off all these extra cards (or "dealer scum" cards). I wish people could show up at my house and take stuff away. Its much easier for me to decide that the 150 people not at my house take a back seat to the guy in my living The stuff I keep here can be legitimately called "dupes". If I'm working on a set and two of you sent me the same card, then I'm not comfortable selling the other one. Those cards I have to send out. To avoid confusion, my extra Bowman cards won't be sold because I am working on those sets and get cards in the mail. That still leaves nearly ten THOUSAND baseball cards plus thousands more from football, hockey and basketball. Somehow, before I joined OBC, I didn't have any kind of dupes box. Now, I have tons. Some sort of middle ground would be nice, don't you think? What is the next step for me? I don't feel there is a clear cut choice. Opening up to all of you on my situation will help, I hope. I think some people will consider even talking about selling within OBC as "un-OBC behavior" in the extreme. To those of you who think that way, please suggest another course of action. Having no extra money for cards has taken a lot of the joy out of collecting for me. Its tough for me to read "thanks" when I'm not sending out. Its tough for me to be in an OBC chat room when people are advising others about ebay deals I can't afford. Or they are handing out availables and I'm not willing to do so. I do have about FORTY envelopes here that need to be mailed out. A big prize to anyone who can tell me why they've been here for a month (and the cards have been here for far longer). Right now I'm not going to abandon (and sell off) any of my sets. I did that before and now I'm re-acquiring many of the cards so in the end, I didn't gain much. I'd still like to collect. I'd like to focus on Red Sox and non-sports. I'd like to do some 'virtual' collecting when the cards themselves are too expensive. I'd like to work on some projects that don't cost anything like a comprehensive list of Red Sox cards (or cards from another team) or building a engine that can search wantlists. Those projects will ahve to wait until I get other stuff of my mind. So if you want to buy some cards (mainly Topps 1952-1980) let me know. And if you have any ideas about how I can better cope with the hole I've dug myself ($$$$ worth of cards here, many of which were originally intended as gifts), let me know. I think I've rambled enough by now. If you've made it this far and if you've understood what I tried to say, you should be commended. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:35:09 EST To: ChicoD1@aol.com, talbot1@comcast.net, obcbobd@comcast.net From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] Thank you to everyone in OBC fo... I forwarded Roberta and Ken's note to half my family and all my friends...this is why I love OBC...good people doing good things (and the cards) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:38:42 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: A musical interlude.... This little ramble is not about cards in any way shape or form, so if that’s what you want to read about delete now. Had to share this with you guys, as I know there are a number of you who enjoy your music. Given the median age of our merry band, I would venture a guess that a few of you out there might be fans of James Taylor. Well, after hearing one track on the radio a few days ago, I ordered and received a fantastic CD today…..Famous Among The Barns by …..no, not James Taylor……. The Ben Taylor Band. Ben is actually the son of James. His mother is Carly Simon. I really enjoyed the track that we heard last week, but I wasn’t really sure what to expect from a full CD. Not only was I not disappointed, I was astounded! It’s incredible how much Ben sounds like his father, not only in the quality of his voice, but also in the way he structures his lyrics (the songs are all his own, with the exception of an interesting – I think great – cover of The Zombies “Time Of The Season”). I would describe the music as easy rock, with some elements of country and folk thrown in now and again for good measure. If you’re a James Taylor fan, you really should make an effort to give this a listen. Heck, just go out and buy the darn thing! It’s that good! (You can listen to excerpts from 5 of the CDs tracks here) http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000077W1M/ref=m_art_li_1/104- 4470516-7306365?v=glance&s=music Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:28:58 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: 3-0 Count ...and it looks like we're going to walk. Hi all, Got some bad news on the job front last night. Our union contract expires on Feb. 14th. There was a representative in last night who said it was "98% certain we would be on strike". The main issue is our health care, which the union oversees and doesn't cost us anything to participate in. From what I understand, the company wants to take over control of this and make us co-pay. Neither side is willing to budge. The company had record sales last year and can't afford to lose millions of dollars per day as customers go across the street in some cases to the competition. I'm part of the largest supermarket chain in New England (Stop & Shop Supermarkets) and this work stoppage would put 42,000 people on the picket lines. I'm not worried about a lengthy work stoppage, but if it does come to that, I might be forced to sell some cards to pay the bills as a last resort. I'd most likely pawn off some of the duplicate sets I have (the nicer ones, since I'd get more for them, plus I'd rather have the tipton versions many of you helped me with anyway). The last time I was out of work, I was prompted to join this group, so you can thank (or blame) the union for that. The good news is that I'll finally get some free time to participate in OBC more... send out a few packages and type out more lengthy e-mails, so be forewarned Having said that, I have a tipton 1963 Topps Mantle on eBay right now. However, it was 'consigned' to me by a friend. He will be getting all of the money minus my eBay costs, so don't get cute with it if you happen to run across it :-) Just wanted to let you know. Still don't have any tickets to the big game in Houston on Sunday, but I'm still going. I counted over 1000 left to sell at one site alone. (I'm thinking that all of them are tied in together selling the same seats and are just charging different commissions). However, the asking prices are still a minimum 3-4 times face value, so I may have to wait until I'm standing outside the gate just before kickoff before I find a ticket. There's no way anyone is going to eat a $400 ticket, so I'm hoping they'll dump them for whatever they can get as the game draws near. My only fear is that there's too many people (especially Pats' fans) going to Houston thinking the same thing because of what happened a couple years ago. There were plenty of seats to be found down in New Orleans the last time New England made it to the Superbowl. It is different this time, since there's two weeks to prepare for the game and this time the Patriots are expected to win it. Well, hopefully I'll win a couple squares and a wager or two at sportsbook.com like the last NE Superbowl I bet on... Go Pats! Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:47:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "David Skoglund" Subject: Interesting eBay story All about the bargains you can find by using misspellings in your search terms. I'm sure most of you have noticed the large amount of Tops baseball cards up for auction at any given moment. :) http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/4343291.html ================= To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:58:00 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Ken's Card Grading Service What the heck is Ken talking about? Have you guys looked at that Mantle? And he calls it LOW GRADE! You should see mine, which I proudly call mid-grade, when compared to my '55 Bowmans.doesn't hold a candle to this ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:16:00 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Today's mailbag I just received another email worth sharing...This is from Paul, who uses the screen name "clueman" (that ought to tell you something): --- clueman wrote: > I have a question and a story with it. I have a 1934 > #37 Lou gehrig. Now the BUt part. The card is > perferated and has BLACK lettering on back. Most > have said this is a reprint. Now I got this card > from a man in his '90's I believe. He said he got it > when he was 12 years old.. 1934 or so. He said it > was a 1934 reprint from some sports mag of the same > year. He says this Magazine would print the whole > 1934 Goudey set in 12 issues. He also says the > magazine did not do well because people didnt want > to buy all those mag's and wait 12 months for a set. > So the Magizine didnt do well. He also says the > cards from these mag's are worth 5 or more times of > the real packs gum set. Now have you ever heard this > story? Did goudey ever make any perferated cards > from a mag worth anything. You seem to know all > about vintage cards. So whats your idea or fact on > this. If your not sure can you please pass it around > to your experts. If for some odd reason this is true > are there and books or anything that says this is > true. If anything you have a new storie to add to > your site. This card does not say reprint and it has > a semi glossie finish. Can you name any good books I > could get soo I can tell whats what when I buy > cards? Thanks for your time. Please try to answer > this if you have time.The card looks old. > Paul Aylward I sent the following reply: There is no information I have ever found to support the "it was part of a magazine" theory. But I can tell you this much...Around 1983 or '84, a writer named Bert Randolph Sugar wrote a small number of books that contained reprints of older baseball cards. One was called "Hall of Fame Baseball Cards" and is shown on the page from my website of "suugested books" for collectors. Here's a link: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/books.html That book contained dozens of reprinted cards on a glossy stock, and all were perforated. Oh yes...the '34 Gehrig was one of the cards featured. If you read the back of your card, there is probably a mention of the name "Dover," which was the publisher of the book. If there appears to be any damage to the card back, it has been doctored to remove the reprint notice. Now for the other points I'd like to make: 1. Be wary of anybody who tries to tell you a story about how they recieved a card if they are trying to sell it to you. I've been in the hobby for over 20 years and have seen some sellers who have sold doctored reprints with a "we got it from my grandfather" story. Whether they knew the cards were fake doesn't matter as much as the fact they lied about how the cards came to them. 2. I don't know how you did in history class, so let me give you some background -- 1934 was one of the worst years of the Great Depression. There were very few magazines of the day that would print up glossy baseball cards. At the time, cards were used to sell gum, not magazines. Even magazines devoted to Hollywood stars weren't heavy on the gloss during those lean economic years, so it's unlikely -- given all the variables -- that any sports-themed magazine would spare the heavy expense of making these cards. 3. If this man still had his cards from that magazine, where are the others? Think about it...the Gehrig card was the most sought-after card of the 1934 Goudey set, so why would he still have that one and not the cards of Joe Vosmik, Oral Hildebrand or Oscar Melillo? He would have sold Gehrig before any of the I'm sorry if this comes across as harsh, but it's my opinion that this seller screwed you out of your money. He sold you a story to make you buy a worthless card. I'll go ahead and pass your question to some of my knowledgeable fellow collectors. If I find out that there was indeed a magazine, I'll let you know and admit that I was wrong. But I don't think I am, given what I've seen in my years in the So here it is. Has anybody here seen anything that corroborates this guy's story? I think it's a case of a scumbag trying to make a quick buck by taking advantage of an inexperienced collector (I'm guessing Paul is about 16 years old). I just hope Paul didn't lose a bunch of money in the deal, because he'll never see it again. Besides my thorny, cold-hearted response to Paul, is there anything else anybody here would like to add? Take care, Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:02:29 EST To: david.skoglund@att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story Hello david.skoglund@att.net (David Skoglund), In reference to your comment: =E8 http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/4343291.html Looks like they may have misspelled your name too..... "David Scroggins, also searches for misspellings." Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story Date: 1/28/2004 7:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time From: david.skoglund@att.net (David Skoglund) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com All about the bargains you can find by using misspellings in your search terms. I'm sure most of you have noticed the large amount of Tops baseball cards up for auction at any given moment. :) http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/4343291.html Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yj06.mx.aol.com (rly-yj06.mail.aol.com [172.18.180.166]) by air-yj04.mail.aol.com (v97.18) with ESMTP id MAILINYJ44-825401853b0131; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:29:10 -0500 Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.76]) by rly-yj06.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYJ67-825401853b0131; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:28:33 -0500 Received: from [66.218.66.158] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 21:49:13 -0000 X-Sender: david.skoglund@att.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 95078 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 21:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Jan 2004 21:49:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 21:49:11 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.150] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Jan 2004 21:47:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.81 From: "David Skoglund" X-Originating-IP: 208.252.142.62 X-Yahoo-Profile: david_skoglund_mn MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:47:37 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.76 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:04:17 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's mailbag-UPDATE Since sending out that email about the guy with the fake '34 Goudey Gehrig, I've had quite a conversation with the sender. It seems the guy who sold him the card has changed a lot of stuff in his story since Paul forwarded my email, and just canceled a bunch of Yahoo! auctions he was running. Guilty conscience perhaps? Here is the info on this scumbag. Gordan Adams 1255 Hellams Rd Gray court, SC 29645-7254 Yahoo! ID - Gordon_adams2001 He's not running anything currently, but has a bunch of UV stuff that's already been sold. Seems he sold the Gehrig reprint via personal email "because you're a good friend." Paul's out $300 to this jerk. Watch out for him. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= To: Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:57:27 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: The "1944 Collection" I have just added my "1944 Collection" to my web page. For your convenience, the text is reprinted below. Note that the first listing (cards numbered #44) is particulary easy to hit (for those of you that comlain about my hard-to-hit The "1944 collection" (Any hits welcomed - use your imagination!) I was born in 1944 (World War 2) when no MLB cards were issued. So, unlike most OBC'ers I cannot collect my birth year set. Therefore, I compensate by collecting anything remotely related to 1944 and baseball. Here is what I HAVE: (1) Any card #44 (Steve Rittenberg got me started on this. I currently HAVE: Topps 1953, 1955, 1962, 1963 (2) Photo postcard of the infield for the 1944 Browns (3) 1944 NY Yankees Stamps Donald, Wensloff, Zuber (4) 1970 and 1971 Fleer World Series cards for 1944 (5) 1959 Fleer Ted Williams #22 #23 (have 1944 date on front) (6) The 1944 Play Ball set (printed 1983) - have entire set (7) The 1944 Centennial Flour Seattle Rainiers (have all but Holt) (8) Team photo of the 1944 Seattle Rainiers (9) ANY card (wink, wink) that has the number 1944 on it - I have 16 of these cards so far - no chance of duplicates, we are talking serial numbers here. (10) A book "1944 Major League Baseball - Facts, Figures, and Official Rules" -Dave Fallen ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:24:11 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story I got a great deal on my 55 Bowman Mickey MANTEL last year because of a misspelling and vague description. Sandy KOFAX is another one that turns up frequently. I'm still searching for his 1964 SP Giant card -Bob R. >From: "David Skoglund" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story >Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 21:47:37 -0000 >All about the bargains you can find by using misspellings in your >search terms. I'm sure most of you have noticed the large amount of >Tops baseball cards up for auction at any given moment. :) >http://www.startribune.com/stories/789/4343291.html Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. http://wine.msn.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:54:45 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Baseball time killer http://www.index.hr/images2/pingu1.swf Click once to get ready to hit and once to swing. My best was 315.2 Ken M ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:33:36 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: needed I need a 48 bowman football card #97 of joe muha or 50b #133. iwent to school with his son and will see him in march. appreciate any help kit okamuro ================= To: "Chris Stufflestreet" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:25:45 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: You hit it on the head.... as to your reply about the reality of any glossy Lou Gehrig. It has to be worth at least 10 cents though. Renata Galasso also did 33 Goudey reprints with a tiny notation that it was a reprint. The issuers were not acting responsibly if their cards could be so easily altered to look original - sort of like cranking out some glossy 20's with a small disclaimer on the bottom.Although the gloss and perforations on this one would tell the typical collector that this card was a reprint - at best. ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:47:08 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool "Draw" we had 36 sign ups, so I gave everyone 2 squares, then, assigned a number 1-36 to everyone, and told my daughter Kelly to pick 8 numbers (the guys who would *not* get a 3rd square). Of course, she calls out my number! :( Then, I have make 10 little slips of paper, and have Kelly draw them one at a time for the Panthers #'s. When she is finished, I look and see that I have a 7 on one square and a 0 on the other! My luck is back! So, now we draw the Pats #'s, and when I look at the results, I can't believe it.... I have 0-0 *and* 7-7!!! Are there any better squares? Is this the biggest fix ever!? When I showed Kelly she said "do you know these people?" I explained that it was an OBC pool, and no actual money was involved, so the likelyhood that there would be a contract out on me was small :) Then, while I was remarking about the amazing draw, my wife Katie, always the optimist, says "you won't win. I always get those number and never win!". In any case, the pool is set. And I did a little research :) In each of the last 2 super bowls, 7-7 and 0-0 never came up. but 3 years ago it was 10-0 at halftime :) Good luck everyone! Sean ("blame Kelly") ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:45:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: Re: Baseball time killer I got 315.5 with one eye closed;-) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@a... wrote: > http://www.index.hr/images2/pingu1.swf > Click once to get ready to hit and once to swing. My best was 315.2 > Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:59:45 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Hot Stove Hi all. For those "yearning" for the upcoming season...maybe something to "cure the itch". A past purchase of a 1930 A's-Yanks scorecard came with the original owners clippings from the following days newspaper on that game. I've copied it, ver batem (sic???) at http://digdugdig.tripod.com/shibe.html if anyone's interested. Kinda cool, the terminology, etc. used at that time. OBC... 'nuff said ...D. ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 06:30:17 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: eBay: exhibits and other old HOFers glued to paper The same seller has three lots of exhibit cards glued to paper, along with a group of black & white cards that look like 1939 Play Ball, but list some players not in the set. So who knows! Glued to paper = OBC interest, though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3269331172 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3269331986 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3269332892 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 07:32:26 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting eBay story hukt awn fonix wurkt four mee! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 17:13:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: Re: Baseball time killer Ken, Gersh, My best was 322.9. Next best was 320.3 - everything else was a miss :) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "larrygersh" > Ken, > I got 315.5 with one eye closed;-) > Gersh > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@a... wrote: > > http://www.index.hr/images2/pingu1.swf > > > > Click once to get ready to hit and once to swing. My best was > > > > Ken M ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:50:26 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Super bowl pool URL it is at.... http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool.htm sorry for not including that in the last post, Go Pats! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 19:26:22 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Looking for assistance My wife's cousin is getting bar mitzvahed in a couple of months, and I've been asked to help with some of the planning. It seems he is having a baseball theme (good kid!) and is looking for some good pictures of Yankee legends (REALLY good kid!) to use for table decorations, etc. Specifically, I'm looking for some good images of Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, Mantle, Yogi, Reggie and Mattingly. Anybody know a good site where I can "borrow" some pix? Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:42:24 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Oh no not again... Rats, I thought the "this message not in displayable format" problem was cleared up. Alas, no; Ben & Father Pat's messages to the Thanks & Ramblings servers (in digest form ) aren't showing up again for me. Am I cursed? ================= Date: 31 Jan 2004 16:04:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Well gang, It's that time of year again. As information for the new members and a reminder for the old members, each year in February a new OBCAC is selected by vote of the members of OBC. Nominations are solicited on the 1st of February and are accepted through February 15. The election is conducted from February 16 through the end of the month. On March 1 the new OBCAC is announced. Here is a brief outline of the qualifications to be nominated for the Any current OBC member (with the exception of yours truly, Bama) may nominate any other OBC member for the OBCAC who meets the following a) must be a current active OBC member who has been in OBC for at least 3 years b) MUST AGREE TO SERVE ***(very important for you get the person's permission before you nominate them. Don't assume that someone would be willing to serve on the AC without asking. That includes current AC members. Getting permission saves a lot of headaches for me and potential embarassment for the nominated person)*** c) Current AC members are eligible for reelection. In fact there is no limit on the number of terms a person may serve on the AC. Nomination process: Submit all nominations to me directly at obcjohn@knology.net. I will publish frequent updates (believe me you'll get tired of seeing my name pop up on you email). At noon PST on Februrary 15 the nominations will close and I'll announce the slate of candidates for the election that There will be two offices up for election, one for OBCAC Facilitator and the other for OBCAC voting member. The Facilitator does not vote on AC issues. For a description of AC duties click the FAQ link on the OBC home There are 8 positions open for AC voting members and, of course, one for Facilitator. In addition a 9th voting member will be elected as an alternate in case a voting member leaves the AC. Election process: Beginning the evening of February 15 the slate of candidates will be announced and the election will continue until noon PST on February 29. The winning slate will be announced the evening of the 29th. When voting, vote for one person for Facilitator from that list and up to 9 persons for voting member. You do not have to vote for 9 but you can't vote for more than 9. I DO NOT VOTE!!! I will give frequent reminders about the election and report the number of votes cast. I will not publish the results of the election on the server with actual vote counts. However, anyone who wishes to see the actual vote count may email me directly at the end of the election and I'll be happy to send them the number totals for the election. We've found that this satisfies the desire of people to see the actual numbers outcome but spares any hurt feelings or potential embarassment for the nominees. I'm sending this out a bit early this year because Super Bowl Sunday happens to fall on the 1st. So now it's up to you. Get those nominations in but be sure to check first with the person you are nominating. I'll be happy to try and answer any qustions you may have about the ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:10:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Ebay listing - gotta admire his salesmanship... It may not be worth the money, but the item description is worth a http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? OBC - You gotta love it! ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:16:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Re: Baseball time killer 323.5 here in GA; maybe its the altitude? ;-) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@a... wrote: > http://www.index.hr/images2/pingu1.swf > Click once to get ready to hit and once to swing. My best was 315.2 > Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:48:29 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Rhode trip! For the second year in a row, this OBC'er made his way to Lil' Rhoddy for the annual card show in West Warwick, RI. The Granite State Express headed south at about 6:45 this morning and made a stop in Cambridge, MA to pick up partner in card crimes Spike Glidden. At about 7:30 we headed further south to the little state with a big card show. Robert Pigeon, one of the local hosts, was kind enough to wait (and wait...and wait) for us off the highway and take us through some short cuts to the hall. I promised myself I was going to take notes this year but fogot to tie a string around my finger to remind me. Once there (about 9:00) we were only too glad to stretch the legs and get in from the cold. Doing my usual great imitation of a clueless wanderer, I went through the show in a scrambled spaghetti pattern. I came accross one dealer who I spent nearly my entire budget with buying some E220 National Caramel cards. After that, Wander Man was in great form, running into Steve Rittenberg and Bob Reed! Then a bit later I saw Brett Domue rifling through a binder! Another great surprise! We all hit the tables heavily until the next wave of OBC bretheren entered the hall...first Bob Donaldson and the Bob Farrell! A great turnout of eight OBC'ers! We all spent some good time together going through binders and piles of cards. Of course, we did manage to save some dough to feed our appetities and had our (now annual) luncheon at Hooters at 2:00. Wings, wings, wings! I also had the grilled Mahi sandwich which was pretty darn good. Spike and I headed for home after lunch but the rest of the gang headed to Bob Farrell's for a swap session. I think I can hear the cardboard whizzing by all the way up here in Na Hampsha :-) Folks, I had a great time. This has just become an annual event I won't be missing! Thanks to all for a cool day! Happy Collecting! ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:13:30 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode trip! I echo Jim's comment that it was a great show - and I didn't even but a card at the show. It was great to meet up with some OBCers and have some wings and good conversations. The cardboard was flying. Headed my way were; A 1970 Kellogs Bench from Bob Reed A 76 Hostess and 72 Hi-num from Jim. 4 Nice 67s from Bob A 63 Fleer and 61 Fleer Mel Ott from Brett Domue Steve Rittenburg handed over a 71 Don Baylor/Dusty Baker Rookie, 23 65's and 51 red back, 52 Topps and 2 53 Bowman Colors. Bob Farrell handed me a few 75's - too many to count, but the stack is about 4-5 inches high! A Johnston Cookies, 1939 Playball and 52 Topps from Spike. Speaking of Johnston, after the wings we headed over to Johnston, RI for more card swapping at Bob Farell's. All in all a great pre-Super Bowl day! thanks guys! thanks OBC!!! ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 22:31:27 -0500 From: "Joseph Duffy" Subject: Address directory Anyone out there have an OBC address directory. I lost mine in My daughter's attempt to remove unwanted's from the PC. Any help would be appreciated.