================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 07:59:51 EDT Subject: For those of you who haven't seen it all yet.... To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2937200633&category=1469 Maybe you'll think twice the next time you're at Burger King... there could be a gold mine in that Super Size ;-) Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:31:18 +0800 To: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For those of you who haven't seen it all yet.... From: Lynn Miller Ken, Why am I not surprised that you would be looking at a category like this :-D Lynn ================= To: Subject: george barris Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 06:41:38 -0700 From: "terry ellis" can anyone tell me how many cards/stickers are in this set and value? thanks ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Should I Have? Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:33:42 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" I gave God His portion. All the bills are paid. Paid for my sons truck repair. Put normal amounts into savings accounts. Grocery shopping complete. Vehicles are full of gas, money in my pocket, and still some leftovers in my checking account. Looking at my wantlist there was always one card that I thought might be keeping me from completing my 1960s run. This is 3X more than I have ever paid for a single card! But I still pulled the trigger. Should I Have? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2737480570&category2929&rd1 ================= To: Subject: hires root beer Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:39:58 -0700 From: "terry ellis" who collects these I have 1#12 dave philley? lmk kit ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:09:21 EDT Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Should I Have? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com To: "OBC" From: "larry.tipton" Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 13:33:42 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Should I Have? I gave God His portion. All the bills are paid. Paid for my sons truck repair. Put normal amounts into savings accounts. Grocery shopping complete. Vehicles are full of gas, money in my pocket, and still some leftovers in my checking account. Looking at my wantlist there was always one card that I thought might be keeping me from completing my 1960s run. This is 3X more than I have ever paid for a single card! But I still pulled the trigger. Should I Have? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2737480570&category2929&rd1 ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 15:48:08 -0400 Subject: card show ? From: Bob Saxton Can anyone suggest where I might find info - dates, locations, etc.- for card shows in northeastern Ohio, northwestern Pennsylvania and western New York? http://www.Writing.Com/authors/judgeguy ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 14:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Should I Have? To: "larry.tipton" , From: John Collins Looks priceless to me! --- "larry.tipton" wrote: > I gave God His portion. All the bills are paid. Paid > for my sons truck repair. Put normal amounts into > savings accounts. Grocery shopping complete. > Vehicles are full of gas, money in my pocket, and > still some leftovers in my checking account. Looking > at my wantlist there was always one card that I > thought might be keeping me from completing my 1960s > run. This is 3X more than I have ever paid for a > single card! But I still pulled the trigger. Should > I Have? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2737480570&category=2929&rd=1 > Guru I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 17:54:59 -0700 (PDT) To: larry.tipton@netzero.net (larry.tipton), Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Should I Have? From: digdugdig@webtv.net If ya need some reassurance on this purchase...you got mine!! Actually, I think you should be arrested for stealing!! Great coup...don't smile too big, we'll have to call you the Cheshire NICE hit!! ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 23:21:53 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Should I Have? To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com YES .... I like the autograph too :-). - Doug ================= To: Subject: 1961 fleer#1 Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 20:36:18 -0700 From: "terry ellis" have this available. lmk, kit ================= To: Subject: 53 T Mantle Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 07:52:22 -0700 From: "Diamanti" If anyone is feeling flush or has been saving money for a '53 Topps Mantle,John Morrison has a beauty...........just e-mail him at OLDBBCARDS@aol.comand let him know if interested. My budget won't allow the expenditure but someone else's might......too bad Grant is out of touch at Slavery Island.....Mike ================= To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:45:00 -0700 From: "terry ellis" found this in wherehouse thought id share sorry if it offends anyone ================= To: Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 10:48:56 -0700 From: "terry ellis" another sorry again if it offends ================= To: Subject: wherehouse find Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 11:00:20 -0700 From: "terry ellis" my boss has this hardback aaron its an autobiography cowritten with bisher in 74 he wants 75.00 if anyone is interested ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 17:01:18 -0400 Subject: philly ballparks From: Bob Saxton First, thanks to those who sent me info on where to locate schedules for card shows. Much appreciated. Today's querie: I am seeking information and/or photos on three old baseball parks in Philadelphia; The Jefferson Street Grounds (1876-1883), where the first National League game was played in 1876 (Boston beat Phila.6-5); Recreation Park 1883-1886; and Philadelphia Baseball Grounds, also referred to as Huntington Street Grounds or Baker Bowl I (1887-1894). Any information or leads to info or pics would be much appreciated! The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2003 19:13:30 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] philly ballparks To: judgeguy@juno.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com For those of you interested... Jefferson St. Baseball Grounds was located at Jefferson park and was one of the first true enclosed baseball fields in the country. It was a public park that the Phillies and Athletics rented space from. It was located at 25th and Jefferson St. The Phillies played there as part of the AA and NOT the National Leauge. The Athletics were the participants in the first game and were subsequently expelled from the leauge the next season. The Phillies came later. Not a whole lot is known about the Jefferson St. Grounds. In 1883 the Phillies officially moved into Recreation Park (after moving the franchise from Worcester, MA and losing nearly all the players to what was something akin to free agency). Recreation Park was another public baseball grounds and was actually used for baseball before the Civil War. Al Reach re-did the park in 1882. It was a rather irregular field. 331 ft to center but 369 ft. to right center. 300 ft. down left field and 247 down the right. It did include outfield seats, a large grandstand, and clubhouse. It could hold 6500 fans (although only 3500 could sit). There were times when it was packed to 10000 though. The park was bordered by Columbia and Ridge Aves. and by 24th and 25th Philadelphia Park/Huntington Park/Baker Bowl was built in 1886-1887. It was on Broad st. and bordered by Leigh, 15th, and Huntington. All wooden and rather modern when built it was finally left 51 years later the most outdated and useless stadium ever built. Reach built it again. It was a fairly nice ballpark with a lot of grandstand and standing room area. Originally held about 12500 seating and another 5000 standing room. In fact, the day it opened it set the record for the largest crowd (nearly 20000). A fire destroyed most of it in 1894. Reopened to a larger seating area and a swimming pool in the clubhouse. The dimensions changed often but it was about 280 down right field, over 330 down left, and 408 to center although there were fairly high fences in all three outfields which held advertising signs. It was torn down in the '50s. Btw, there is a car wash, gas station and fast food resturaunt on the site currently. Hope this helps ================= Date: 3 Jul 2003 03:46:36 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: What days will you be attending the o Thursday o Friday o Saturday o Sunday o Haven't decided o Not going To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11140688 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Need a '71 Ryan? (ebay) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 7:16:52 +0000 From: Glenn Codere Looks like this one might slip past a few people. Wrongly described as a 1970, and in perfect OBC condition. Current bid, $1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2739072039&category=2930 Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kurt Tourdot help needed! Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 8:03:12 +0000 From: Glenn Codere I’ve recently been in contact with Kurt Tourdot, asking him if he could put a package of cards together for me. Unfortunately Kurt doesn’t take PayPal, so I need some help in passing some cash on to him. I’m fairly certain that Kurt will be exhibiting at this year’s National, so I was wondering if one of you could hand him some cash for me. What I need is someone who is attending the National and who has a Paypal account that can accept credit cards. If one of you can help me out, I’ll contact Kurt to tell him how much to expect and to send him my want list. I’m sure he’ll be busy preparing for the big event, but hopefully he may be able to put a package together prior to it. If so, I would also ask you to collect it and post it out to me (I’ll pay all postage costs). If he can’t prepare anything in advance, it would simply be a matter of handing him some cash on my behalf. Over the past couple of years, my very good friend Mr.Rittenberg has been acting as my go-between/agent/designatedshopper/etc. He’s been amazing in this capacity, but I don’t want him to feel that I’m taking advantage of his extremely generous nature, hence the reason for this request to the group as a whole. So, any volunteers? Anyone? Bueller? Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Glenn Codere" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need a '71 Ryan? (ebay) Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 06:33:58 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" You talked me into a small bid...if someone REALLY wants it more, be my ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Codere" To: Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:16 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need a '71 Ryan? (ebay) > Guys, > Looks like this one might slip past a few people. Wrongly described as a 1970, and in perfect OBC condition. Current bid, $1. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2739072039&category=2930 > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:00:32 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone have a '67 Topps Venezuelan Checklist? From: Dan Austin I'm looking for a checklist of the first 138 cards of the 1967 Topps Venezuelan set. 1-138 features winter league players in Venezuela. 139-188 is the "retirado" set, and 189-338 are major league players. the OBC checklist page has the last 2 series, but I can't find one for the first 138 cards. Any heroes out there? - Dan Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: 5 Jul 2003 19:57:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I bought a partial box of 1980 Fleer World Series sticker cards a while back and have a bunch left over, with multiple dupes on most. On a couple, the gum melted and pulled the sticker backing off, leaving just the WS card. Specify if you don't want the stickerless card. Yours for the asking. (no numbers on these cards, just the WS date) 1942, 1949, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1960, 1961, 1964, 1966, 1967, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1977, 1978, 1979. ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 17:14:02 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Terry makes a call From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Was getting ready to head out to the beach on Thursday (what better way to enjoy the Fourth of July than to go to the beach on the third?), when I got a surprise call from Terry Woods. Terry assured me that reports of his demise have been exaggerated, and then thanked me for a book I had sent him about baseball gloves. While our chat was short -- the kids were hounding me to get off the phone and in the car -- it was fun to talk with a fellow OBCer. I have been fortunate to talk with four OBCers on the phone -- Terry, Brad Chambers, Mike Rich and (former OBC guy) Barry Clesh. It's always a pleasure to talk with any of you. ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 02:21:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Long ramble about My Life as a Living Soap Opera From: "mikesportsfan" I apologize for the length of this ramble, but the last month or so has been a real "interesting" time. As the working partner in a title insurance agency, I have been working 70 hour work weeks due to the low interest rates. The last weekend in June I had hoped to go to Chicago for Sportsfest. Had to cancel and worked 20 hours over that weekend. Seperately, since Rick Redpath's passing, I have had 4 other people locally who passed away. In Judaism, we do things differently from other religions when in comes to burial practices. We bury the person as soon as possible and then have the visitation at what is known as a Shivah house (House of mourning). Depending on timing and religiousness of the family will determine how many nites the family will "sit Shivah". Each nite there is a short religious service at the Shivah house. 3 of the people who passed away were parents of close friends. The first was Jewish and the family was unable to arrange to have a Rabbi attend for teh Shivah service and I was requested to lead the service. Talk about scraping teh bottom of the barrel. I also had a woman I used to work with, who was in her late 40s pass away from cancer. This last week brought a funeral Tuesday and when I got home from the cemetary was a message about another friend's father passing away. So Wednesday, I went from a Shivah house to a visitation. Thursday, I found out a close friend, Rocky, who joined us for the first ever gathering of FOOT had been laid off from his job, as a 4th of July "gift" from his employer. Yesterday, being the 4th of July, is always a very hectic day for me. I serve on the city's Independence Day Commission, which helps plan the Parade and carnival. We got through the Parade OK, and just as the festival aspect was getting started, we got hit with a storm. More high winds, then rain, however, there was some lightning with the winds. Not sure which caused it, but there was an electrical transformer which "blew up" and some electrical wires came down, right at the park, sparking a fire in the park. The downed wire landed on a friend of mine's car. It also ended the festivities for the day. At least it saved me from having to make some of the announcements, later in the day. We did make it to some excellent fireworks later in the day, which we thought would get cancelled due to rain and more This weekend, instead of being relaxing, included my sister being Bat- Mitzvahed. Normally, people are Bar or Bat-Mitzvahed when they are 13. My sister does it at age 41. Better late than never. This means lots of out of town relatives and friends. I was drafted to host 1 relative for a few nites. He is staying in the singles BB card room. As some of teh FOOT members can tell you, I have 1 room for my singles and 1 room for my dupes. Publications and pop cans (RC Cola, etc.) are kept in the basement. I am still behind at work, with pipe dreams of catching up this week. Next week I go back for a day in the hospital for an annual test. The worst part is the prep the day before. I will therefore miss 2 days of work. The running joke with the Dr. is the test is to figure out why I am doing better health wise. Stress is suppose to aggravate the condition. Cannot figure why I would have any stress lately. Mainly the above has just wiped me out mentally and physically. I just have been completely exhausted lately. Still hope to somehow get to the National at the end of the month for Saturday and Sunday. Hope all is well with everyone else and that the Ziggy cloud that has hovered over me the last month or so, finally goes away. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:52:18 EDT Subject: The Second Coming To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Of Terry Woods, that is. Out of the blue old OBC friend (but one of our most inactive active members) calls me on Friday at the office. "I have an extra ticket for the Frisco Rough Riders game tonight. Do you want to come?" he How did he know my wife is grandson sitting in Michigan for two weeks? Frisco (thats north of Dallas) has a brand new, very nice, stadium for their AA Rangers franchise. It was a great game ..Frisco beat the Tulsa Drillers 8-4 (thats Oil not dental). It had been a couple years since I saw Terry (we do talk occasionally on the phone) and it was great to get together. He opened his own accounting practice earlier this year after bailing out on a company that was in deep trouble. He seems much more relaxed but plenty busy. First D'Angelo, then Smith ....Terry Woods is alive and kicking. Now we need to get him to sign up for the servers. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2740050838: 1888 Old Judge Gypsy King Kelly Nice Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2003 21:11:16 PDT From: illini90@earthlink.net Sellers like this are disgusting. Check out his other auctions - Mantle RC, Paige RC, tons of cards we all wished we had. Think they're real?? Private bidders, all sales final, no Paypal - just send your cash please. He even has a feedback about selling fake cards, but it doesn't stop the bidding. Oh well, a fool and his money... Title of item: 1888 Old Judge Gypsy King Kelly Nice Starts: Jul-02-03 22:21:21 PDT Ends: Jul-05-03 22:21:21 PDT Price: Currently $375.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740050838 Item Description: This is a very RARE and nice condition card of King Kelly from the Gypsy set of Old Judge cards ! Card has decent corners, please see scans for details on condition ? Shipping will be $5.00 with delivery confirmation and I will accept money order or checks only, NO PAYPAL. All sales are final. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: Subject: Moral " NEVER bid on private auctions! Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2003 23:38:02 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Re Geno's message about the seller "ohiotarheelfan" The vintage card message board (Network 54) I follow has been in an uproar about this seller for weeks. He? (I think it may be a woman) is selling shameless reprints and fakes, and making good money off less than knowledgeable It's especially infuriating because several of the Network 54 board have urgently written to ebay complaining about the seller, but ebay basically doesn't care as long as it collects its listing and final value fees. And theprivate auction format makes it impossible for good samaritans to warn bidders. About all that can be done is some sort of scambuster campaign, where someone bids to win the items with no intention of paying for them. Of course ebay will throw that person off double quick. And who has the time and energy to mount that kind of effort on behalf of buyers who clearly have more money than sense? Finally one such dupe has had the gumption to post a negative feedback-- hopefully that will provide some warning and stop this outrageous scamming. In the meantime, everyone watch out for this seller, who's a bottom-feeder of the worst kind. ----- Original Message ----- From: illini90@earthlink.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2740050838: 1888 Old Judge Gypsy King Kelly Nice Sellers like this are disgusting. Check out his other auctions - Mantle RC, Paige RC, tons of cards we all wished we had. Think they're real?? Private bidders, all sales final, no Paypal - just send your cash please. Heeven has a feedback about selling fake cards, but it doesn't stop the bidding. Oh well, a fool and his money... Title of item: 1888 Old Judge Gypsy King Kelly Nice Seller: ohiotarheelfan Starts: Jul-02-03 22:21:21 PDT Ends: Jul-05-03 22:21:21 PDT Price: Currently $375.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2740050838 Item Description: This is a very RARE and nice condition card of King Kelly from the Gypsy set of Old Judge cards ! Card has decent corners, please see scans for details on condition ? Shipping will be $5.00 with delivery confirmation and I will accept money order or checks only, NO PAYPAL. All sales are final. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 02:34:21 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Moral " NEVER bid on private auctions! To: apspr@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Tim and all... What is worse is that he/she does take paypal and does offer a return policy on his/her graded cards in other auctions...that should be a big warning. He also changed his ebay user id just before listing the cards in this fake batch...i did contact ebay but not sure how much that will happen. from the little law I know, I know that if he sells something that is fake and does not represent it as such (even if they do not know it is a fake) invalidates the terms of the contract. He/she must take the item back or you could take them to court and criminal fraud charges could be filed under the mail fraud statutes. Always be aware of what you buy. ================= Date: 6 Jul 2003 15:28:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Catalog errors From: "obcjohn@knology.net" For those of you who are working on the 34 Canadian Goudey set, beware that there are no all English backs for this set, just the French-English backs. Having worked on this set for 5+ years and having viewed 100's of these cards and talked with numerous dealers, I can state positively that this is the case. It was probably assumed that since the 33 set had both backs, the 34 set did as well. For those working on the 34-36 Diamond Stars set, there is almost surely only one back on card #7 Lew Fonseca. I have the complete variation set except for the supposed 1935 back on this card. However, I've seen well over 100 of the #7 card and they all are the 1934 version. Finally I went to Total Baseball and found that Fonseca last played in 1933 and only played 23 games in that season. That would indicate that he likely had no card issued in 1935 and only one card in the set, and that seems to be the case. Every example of this card I've seen is the 1934 version. Again since all other cards in this set up through card #24 have at least 2 versions it probably was assumed that #7 did as well. Anyway after working on this set for 6+ years I'm convinced that this is the case. I'm considering the set done at 167 cards. ================= To: "obc-ramblings" , Subject: For my daughter Kim, a Rambling thanks Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 08:29:18 -0700 From: "Mike Kinney" Hi guys! Some of you older OBCers will remember contributing to an OBC project to support us when my daughter Kim was 'Called up to play for the Angels'. There's a new plaza at McCovey cove and this plaque is there now to remember Kim. Thanks guys- you are all the very best! Mike Kinney and family PS My daughter Katyanne,17, and her friend Dave are in the pictures at PacBell. We lost Kim at age 17 four years ago. Kim's the red head in the softball photo with Kari, the next oldest, now 19. ================= To: Subject: Big Al Tour--LIVE !! Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 12:47:36 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" He left as mysteriously as he came...we returned from Church this morning and he and daughter Michelle were already on their way home...that's right folks, it's Big Al Cummings we're talking about !!! The Saint showed up exactly at 6:00pm Friday , just like he said he would, no wrong turns, no wrong cities. We spent the last two days enjoying the beautiful Oregon coast, visits withfellow OBCer Doug Chamberlain and some great food. There's nothing quite like OBC-Live and we made this mini-meeting memorablewith a few cards, way too many carbs (I blew my low-carb diet this weekend) and lotsa laughs. I hope Al & Michelle had a nice time as each of them weren't feeling too great, but they are troopers and hung right in there !!! Al unloaded on my 71 black beauts list with about a dozen star cards, Bench, Rose, Perry, Stargell & Marichal were among them. Nice hits !! Thanks Al!!! We tried to find some cards in notoriously baseball-shy Florence OR, but Doug came away with the only nice card in the case at our antique "mall". I'll let him share his side of it, but suffice to say that even at 40% off , the prices were still about double book price. Must be that "New Math". Couldn't get the M's game on TV either night, but Al kept buying us food , so we still remained happy. Thanks to Doug , Al and Michelle for sharing time with us...the familytoadshad a blast on Independence Weekend!! ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:35:42 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Big Al in OR From: digdugdig@webtv.net weekend winds down as Big Al Cummings rides off into the sunset ... not really ... that would be west and he'd get kinda wet!! Rides north after, hopefully, a weekend of entertainment from the Toad's 2 cats if not from the 2 legged human creatures he surrounded himself with for a couple days.

Our trip up the coast included a stop in Yachats where the Toadettes, Alexa and John, wanted to get sprayed by what we call "the blow hole" ... the surf crashes in and forces spray into the air through a hole in a rock like a whales blow hole. They we just eating it up but I'm not so sure who enjoyed it more, them or us!!!

Of course cardboard was hand delivered shortly after Al and Michelle's arrival and they hit me with 9 super hits to the 59T's including Kubek, Schoendienst, Doby, Pinson, Jensen, and Newcombe!!! So thanks go out to those sneaky two!!

Also must thank Al again for the Grub on Saturday ... no, not Johnny Grubb ... FOOOOD, EATS, FEEDBAG!!!

Hope the 2 had a good enough time to merit the time and mileage, I know I did ... of course, for myself, it wasn't much mileage!

Guess that'll do it fer now ... Doug

OBC ... 'Nuff ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: On the shelf for awhile Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 16:55:42 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- My wife and I are headed East for our ten-year anniversary this week. We are dropping the ankle-biters in Chicago with the grandparents and continuing on to New York for a few days. All we want to do is eat where there is no kids menu and sleep late. Since neither of us has been to NY, we thought it would be worth a look. We'll stop through Chicago on the way back for a few days, but I doubt I'll have a lot of time for an OBC get-together with the Chi-town contingent. My brother is having a baby this week, so with the baptism and other commitments, I'll be hard pressed to spring loose. If by chance I can, I'll call David, Joel, or another Chicago OBCer. I'm leaving tomorrow for a few days for work, coming home in time to pack, then heading out. I'll talk to you guys when I get back!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Weird Al Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 21:45:36 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" Weird Al sings "eBay" http://www.kompolt.com/weird/weirdAl_POPUP/weirdAl_POPUP.html ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 18:59:06 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Churchman's?? From: digdugdig@webtv.net Al's visit we made a stop to a local antique shop and I broke open the wallett to purchase a Turf Cigarette Sisler. Looks just like a Churchmans but with a different back. Anyone out there in OBC land that is less ignorant than me on these??? Thought it was a nice type card hit but would like to know a little more. Any input, intell, or comments greatly appreciated.

Thanks...D.

AAhhh...OBC...'Nuff ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 07:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Upcoming baseball games and a 54B Williams on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew First the Williams, $99 opening, listed as poor condition (looks more like G to me). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740358442&category=642 On July 20th, Jim Hatch, me, and possibly others will be at the 6pm Nashua Pride game. Bob Reed and I plan to hit the 7pm July 24th New Britain Rock Cats game and then the 1pm July 27th New Haven Ravens game after returning from the National. I'm also mulling Pawtucket Red Sox Jersey Night on July 30th. Drop a line if you're interested in joining us (before we come apart). Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: "Announcements \(OBC\)" Subject: 'Tis that time again (OBC membership poll) Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 08:41:56 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi everyone! Per the OBC Rules of Conduct, every six months a poll is taken, in which all members must state their desire to remain on the membershiprolls. Please LMK with a simple yes or no. Any member that doesn't respond to this membership poll, again per the Rules of Conduct, will be removedfrom the rolls. ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 21:59:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Congrats to Vancouver BC From: "alcattle" Our friends up north have landed the Olympic games in 2010. Nice deal, I probably won't go this time, last thing I went to was the World's Fair in '62. I know the voting was close and word has it, that vote came down to the committee finding out that Grant would not be hired for security. Pico can come but without his dumb partner. Big Al in Seattle ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2740769103: Carl Yastrzemski Boston Red Sox Trading Card Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2003 15:34:23 PDT From: tknowles@mocc.com Don't everyone sprain your computer typing fingers bidding on this all at once! Title of item: Carl Yastrzemski Boston Red Sox Trading Card Starts: Jul-06-03 19:50:25 PDT Ends: Jul-13-03 19:50:25 PDT Price: Starts at $50.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740769103 Item Description: Original Carl Yastrzemski trading card from 1972. Great condition! Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: Subject: 1968 fb availables Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 17:48:58 -0700 From: "terry ellis" lmk ill check your lists they are exmt ================= To: Subject: 1984usfl set for trade Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2003 20:50:48 -0700 From: "terry ellis" make me an offer, the kelly is psa 8 , the young is ungraded but better. lmk ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 08:44:20 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Odd Genetics in the Wagner clan? From: dsh46@aol.com I think this should be in the National Enquirer! > My brother is having a baby > this week On the realisic side of things, two great NY experiences (for food at least) are Wo Hop in Chinatown--in the basement, not upstairs, on Mott St. (#17) near Park Row, and worth the wait-- and then a Cappucino and dessert at La Bella Ferrara (Walk up Mott to Canal St., cross over, make a left then the next right to #108 Mulberry) All at OBC prices! Plus you can walk around Little Italy for a bit--it's great on a summer night. Have fun, Dave ================= To: Subject: 1970topps glossy inserts and 1971 game inserts available, football Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:03:53 -0700 From: "terry ellis" lmk and ill check your lists, also 71 fb ================= To: Subject: 70/71 basket ball availables Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:06:14 -0700 From: "terry ellis" if your doing set lmk ill check your list ================= To: Subject: 1970fb reg issues also available Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:16:02 -0700 From: "terry ellis" these are mostly nrmt/ mt ================= To: Subject: 1969fb Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:39:22 -0700 From: "terry ellis" have some of these also ================= To: Subject: 1965 philly availables Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2003 08:21:45 -0700 From: "terry ellis" some of these also ================= To: Subject: 73/74 basketball availables Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:09:46 -0700 From: "terry ellis" ================= To: Subject: 73/74 basketball availables Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 08:15:16 -0700 From: "terry ellis" ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:38 EDT Subject: Re: 70/71 basket ball availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:06:14, "terry ellis" writes: << if your doing set lmk ill check your list >> 1970-71 Topps* 2(LL-Kareem) 4(FT LL) 6(Asst LL) 10(Havlicek) 36(Marin) 37(Caldwell) 49(Cunningham) 78(Stallworth) 80(Wilkens) 97(Van Lier) 104(Hosket) 130(Hawkins) 134(Hazzard) 137(Murphy) 157(Collins) 158(Turner) 159(Miles) 167(Thorn) 172(Playoff-Bradley) 174(Game 7) Thanks for looking, Ken Morganti 41 Fuller St. Everett, MA 02149-4233 ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:43:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Out at home! From: "larrygersh" Just a short note to everyone that I will be out of the country for two weeks. Costa Rica here I come. I'll be participating with my wife & adult kids in a church mission construction project in the San Jose area. While there we will be able to do some weekend sightseeing. It's a real ecumenical Christian effort. We're Catholics, going with a Christ Disciple Church, to a Methodist center in Costa Rica. I'll be looking for some card shops while I'm down there. Could there be a cheap 52 Mantle to be discovered. :-) All is well here & may all be well with you, ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:09:32 EDT Subject: Hockey anyone To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com came across some misc. OBC-style topps cards from 1968-78, even a few stars. almost all are written on, many are creased, some have paper loss. i will throw in some UV as well, including checklists from many topps and o-pee-chee sets. fcfs, but priority to those i owe. come and get em. gm 68-89: 38, 102, 103, 118, 120 69-70: 32, 35 70-71: 24, 128, 132 (checklist) 71-72: 19, 77, 81, 99, 194, 114 (clarke) 72-73: 19, 71, 109, 120, 139 73-74: 7, 9, 33, 36, 38, 39, 81 (barber), 88, 144, 157 74-75: 25, 33, 79, 93, 102, 167, 263 77-78: 17, 167, 210, 226, 227, 231 ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 17:45:32 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 70/71 basket ball availables To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I have 37 (Caldwell), 80 (Wilkens) and 172 (Game 5) for you. I'll include them with the cards for the auction to head to you this week. ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 70/71 basket ball availables Date: 7/9/2003 3:19:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com In a message dated Tue, 8 Jul 2003 07:06:14, "terry ellis" writes: << if your doing set lmk ill check your list >> 1970-71 Topps* 2(LL-Kareem) 4(FT LL) 6(Asst LL) 10(Havlicek) 36(Marin) 37(Caldwell) 49(Cunningham) 78(Stallworth) 80(Wilkens) 97(Van Lier) 130(Hawkins) 134(Hazzard) 137(Murphy) 157(Collins) 158(Turner) 159(Miles) 167(Thorn) 172(Playoff-Bradley) 174(Game 7) Thanks for looking, Ken Morganti 41 Fuller St. Everett, MA 02149-4233 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xl01.mx.aol.com (rly-xl01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.70]) by air-xl02.mail.aol.com (v94.1) with ESMTP id MAILINXL22-4f693f0c6ad0286; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:19:44 2000 Received: from n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.105]) by rly-xl01.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL110-5b43f0c6abd1a5; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:19:25 -0400 Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n37.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 19:18:49 -0000 X-Sender: CardClctor@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 82651 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 19:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 19:18:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 19:18:47 -0000 Received: from CardClctor@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.172.1d1b20a0 (4320) for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <172.1d1b20a0.2c3dc48e@aol.com> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh OS X sub 35 From: cardclctor@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: obc_ken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:18:38 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 70/71 basket ball availables X-AOL-IP: 172.20.83.70 ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:07:52 EDT Subject: friday night at the national To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com I'll be at the national from friday lunch to saturday lunch, does anyone want to split a hotel room for that night? ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2003 23:59:49 EDT Subject: Card ID To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Picked up a card in a eBay auction that was a surprize to me, so now I have it and need help to ID it. So here goes: Size of the card is the same as 1964 Giants series Top of card has the title Baseball's Great ahll of fame B/W photo of Fred Clarke and at the bottom it has a brief description of the player an smaller print it says "an Exhibit Card" Any ideas and if you need it OBC Style FCFS along with these 1970 Braves Iron-0n transfer 1975 Hostess #57 1977 Cloth Sticker #55 John Leroux ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:20:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card ID To: Trufan999@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com John - If its an original its a 1948 Baseball's Great Hall of Fame Fred Clarke. The original the pictures are black and white on a grey white stock. They were reprinted several times ...some green and white, some on a more white shiney stock printed in black, blue, and brown. I only know mine are original because I got the first ones from my dad who got them from an exhibit machine in 1948. No why does the SCD catalogue, at least my 2000 version, chose to list them under Baseball's Great instead of under Exhibits where they belong. - ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:50:17 EDT Subject: What could have been... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com The Dodgers were famous for picking and making stupid draft picks in the past...although the best pick ever was Piazza....who will be the Hall of Famer who was chosen lowest in the June Amateur Draft. The Phillies in the early and mid '50s had two tryouts with promising Hank Aaron and Al Kaline...instead they signed Tom Qualters (won 1 game for the Phils in his career) and they passed on Aaron because they were still wonderfully racist (Campy, Day, and Paige also had tryouts with the Phils). In the late '50s the Phils offered Yaz a $90000 bonus and Boston offered $100000, Yaz told the Phils if they matched the offer he would be a Phillie...we didnt...could you imagine the lineup in 1960...Kaline, Aaron, Yaz? ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:06:18 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] philly ballparks To: XTrJmx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com The phillies had many nicknames over the years...Originally the Worchester Ruby Legs (sometimes known as the Brown Stockings) they moved to Philadelphia and were called the Phillies...They were called the Quakers for awhile in the late teens and early 20s...in 1942 they were the Phils. In 1944 the Phillies were sold to Robert Carpenter, a millionaire. One of the first things that Carpenter did was to try to help change the image of the Phillies so he held a contest to rename the team. 5,064 entries were received and the name Blue Jays was chosen. Noone paid any attention to the name change including the team itself (the jerseys were still written as Phillies because it was too costly to change them). The nickname was officially dropped at the end of the 1949 season. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:00:54 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What could have been... To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 7/10/2003 7:51:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:50:17 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What could have been... ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 21:26:22 EDT Subject: SOORY FOR THE CHAIN SOMEONE SENT IT TO ME AND IMMEDIATLY RESENT TO ALL MY CONTAC To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Sorry FOR THE CHAIN SOMEONE SENT IT TO ME AND IMMEDIATELY RESENT TO ALL MY ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What could have been... Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:26:41 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: Wite3@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What could have been... Date: 7/10/2003 7:51:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:50:17 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What could have been... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:22:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian Dwyer" PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 Topps High Number on eBay Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 20:26:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Brian Dwyer" (Sorry about the blank e-mail before) I was browsing through the lots of 52s on eBay the other night and came upon a lot of 12 cards in poor/fair/good condition. None of them look too bad, but the seller didn't make mention in the title of any high numbers. It turns out that there is one included and at the $27 current bid, it might not be a bad deal. I'd go for it, but I am holding back after paying a tad too much for a Koufax rookie the other night. Good luck if any of you choose to go after it. http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740323005 PeoplePC: It's for people. And it's just smart. http://www.peoplepc.com ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:27:41 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone collecting mid-1970s hockey? From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Is anybody out there collecting any Topps hockey from the mid-1970s? I came across some in an auction and they were so cheap I had to pick them up. What ugly hairdos LOL, very 70ish. Cards probably VG, certainly no better. Here's what I have: 1976-77 Topps -- 9 28 55 92 159 162 231 241 253 1975-76 Topps -- 13 43 61 67 108 117 127 134 174 219 242 253 268 270 308 1974-75 Topps -- 33 62 68 157 If anyone needs or wants any of these, let me know. ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0400 To: Board@pks.org, Committee@pks.org, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: The usual gripes and complaints from Delia From: WMDpks@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:33:36 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The usual gripes and complaints from Delia To: WMDpks@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hello WMDpks@aol.com, In reference to your comment: =E8 Joe, we will put together the tennis ball cannon, potato =E8 mortar, and Greek catapult as soon as you guys get =E8 home from Aunt Traci's in Florida. Ok how do we all get in on this? I really like the potato mortar idea :)... Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] The usual gripes and complaints from Delia Date: 7/11/2003 3:36:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: WMDpks@aol.com To: Board@pks.org, Committee@pks.org, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, UNCSwish@aol.com, Knucks17@aol.com, SuperMick5@aol.com, KellyLDelia@aol.com, jddelia@optonline.net, rgdelia@optonline.net, Bombernanimon@aol.com, LisaGDelia@aol.com, davey@us.ibm.com, burkem@us.ibm.com Lately, I've been feeling like that character from Li'l Abner who walks around with a dark cloud following him around. I'll be mostly out of touch for next week or two. While on business once again in "Fulmer Country" (Research Triangle Park, NC) my highly reliable IBM laptop hard disk fried. Paws-up. Toast. A new hard disk, ordered from the completely dependable IBM Hardware Support people, was promised for delivery yesterday, which on IBM time (literally) means it will be delivered sometime next week. I will have extremely limited access to email this weekend. In the meantime, the people here in Durham (Go Bulls!) have asked me to extend my business trip here until July 22 (I was originally scheduled to come home on July 18). I am planning to return to Newburgh NY airport on Tuesday, July 22 at about 11:10PM. On Wednesday, July 23, I will be relocating my office from IBM East Fishkill to IBM Poughkeepsie. On Thursday, July 24, I will be flying from LaGuardia Airport in New York to Chicago O'Hare for the 2003 Phi Kappa Sigma national executive board conference. I'll flying out of LGA at 10:00 AM, and will arrive in O'Hare at 11:47 (they're 1 hour behind us in Chicago, for some reason). Regrettably, I will not be able attend the 2003 National Sports Collectors Convention in Atlantic City, NJ. My cell phone number is (914) 204-9425, after business hours only, please. OBC: Even with a working hard drive, I will be behind the IBM firewall and unable to do any maintenance on the website (http://www.oldbaseball.com). Please direct any questions or requests to Dan "The Man" Austin or Steve Rittenberg. Anyone needing souvenirs from the Durham Bulls Athletic Park, let me know - including the Team USA vs. Mexico tour next week. Phi Kappa Sigma: Any emergencies, please call the cell, and give me the name of the police station you've been taken to following your arrest. Anything involving the Delta Iota chapter at Marist can be directed to Carmen Alu (UNCSwish@aol.com), Liam O'Donovan (SuperMick5@aol.com), or Michael Constantine (Knucks17@aol.com). No information on final national scholarship selectionsis available yet (at least, they haven't told me anything.) Joe Moidl: Yeah, yeah, I know, the year-end chapter summaries. I'll send them off to you as soon as they plug in my new hard drive and connect me to this "Inter-net" thing. Joe and Lisa: Please behave yourselves so you don't make your mom any crazier than she already is. Joe, we will put together the tennis ball cannon, potato mortar, and Greek catapult as soon as you guys get home from Aunt Traci's in Dad: can I bum a ride home from the Newburgh airport on Tuesday night, July 22? I'll even pay the toll over the Beacon-Newburgh bridge. Also I will save you an airline bag of peanuts to sweeten the deal. Keep your filthy paws off Mom's computer account. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College Webmaster, OBC (Old Baseball Cards) http://www.oldbaseball.com "When I die, I want other people to say about me, 'Gee, he sure owed me a lot of money.'" (Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts") To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xl02.mx.aol.com (rly-xl02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.71]) by air-xl04.mail.aol.com (v94.1) with ESMTP id MAILINXL43-4f763f0f11a12ab; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:36:01 -0400 Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.88]) by rly-xl02.mx.aol.com (v94.27) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL25-5b93f0f11873b8; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:35:35 -0400 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Jul 2003 19:35:19 -0000 X-Sender: WMDpks@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 3452 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2003 19:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Jul 2003 19:35:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m05.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2003 19:35:18 -0000 Received: from WMDpks@aol.com by imo-m05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id y.161.22ed26bd (15863); Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aol.com (mow-m13.webmail.aol.com [64.12.180.129]) by air-id06.mx.aol.com (v94.1) with ESMTP id MAILINID62-3df73f0f11712c6; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0400 To: Board@pks.org, Committee@pks.org, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, UNCSwish@aol.com, Knucks17@aol.com, SuperMick5@aol.com, KellyLDelia@aol.com, jddelia@optonline.net, rgdelia@optonline.net, Bombernanimon@aol.com, LisaGDelia@aol.com, davey@us.ibm.com, Message-ID: <507EAAFC.191B126D.000510AE@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 From: WMDpks@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: RedSox3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:35:13 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The usual gripes and complaints from Delia X-AOL-IP: 172.20.83.71 ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:57:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: "libertyforall" ebay crap To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins Is anyone else sick of constantly running across stuff like this on ebay? The seller does have 99% positive feedback, but take a look at it and becomes obvious pretty quickly that it is fake or somehow padded. The same buyer leaves you 10 positives in a row? Yeah right. Check out this latest great deal on a "1957 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2740009592&category=16271 I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC" Subject: 1966 Topps Set Completed! Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:11:04 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" Jim Wiehe must have felt sorry for me. After I cried about my search for the last card to complete my 1966 Topps set, guess what shows up in the mail.Thats right a 1966 Topps Rookie card #591 Grant Jackson and Bart Shirley! MY 66 SET IS COMPLETE! Jim the card looks GREAT, and thanks for the uplifting message. THANKS JIM WIEHE! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Rick Redpath Auction - Part1 Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 10:32:20 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Part 1 of the Rick Redpath auction has been a success. I had two Red Sox/Yankee tickets that I could not use so I put them out to bid amooung my friends and co-workers with the procedes going to the fund for Rick's kids. After a furious bidding war the tickets sold for $130 which will be sent to our OBC treasureer for inclusion in the auction procedes. thanks OBC! ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:10:23 EDT Subject: Unbelievable experience To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Hi gang - lengthy ramble follows: Went to a card show today; a dealer recommended a card store nearby. I went & was impressed by the size of the place. I then asked the owner about 50's & 60's commons; he goes behind the counter & then stares at me. He refused to put any boxes on the counter for me to even look through - saying - and this is a direct obscene quote: "Customers come in here and fuck up my inventory". Seems he expects to take your list pull the cards (!) & then move on from there. He was complaining about "so-called experts" who mess up "his" cards. I was stunned - told him I had a huge list & didn't want to waste his time by having him pull cards I wasn't going to buy. He just shook his head , saying "that's the way it is". Needless to say, I walked out, telling him no card store I've ever been in has treated a customer that way - and I told him his store was a joke. Then, he FOLLOWED ME OUT OF THE STORE - yelling at me! One of his memorable quotes was "no one does things like me" (duh) - and I'm not kidding - "my cards are in boxes". (gee, no one has ever thought of that). So, good luck to him, located in a rundown building next to a flea market & auto salvage yard, in a bad part of town; I hope this scumbag goes out of business in a hurry. Has anyone else ever experienced a store like this?? I've never heard of a card store where the customers weren't allowed to look through the cards. Needless to say I will NEVER return to that place. ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 14:56:45 -0400 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,opcc@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Subject: New sets in the "Virtual Card Collection" From: Dan Austin Have you been to the VCC site lately? In the past month or so I have added a number of new sets: 1910 E92 1963 Fleer Football 1960 Topps 1910 American Caramel (E91-C) 1956 Topps 1910 E98 1921 W551 1909 Hassan Triple Folders (T202) 1960 Leaf 1927 American Caramel (E126) 1958 Topps 1970 Topps Posters I have also registered a domain name for the site and you can find it now at http://www.virtualcardcollection.com Stop by and take a look! As always, I appreciate your feedback on how to make the site better... Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 22:56:47 EDT Subject: Re: Unbelievable experience To: KeithSummers@webtv.net From: directorth@aol.com The name of the place was Circle Cards (& also had another name on the building - didn't catch that one.) -located on Wagner Ford Ford in Dayton. I didn't get the guy's name unfortunately. I was tempted to tell him that, had he treated me well, he would have had a hundred potential new customers - but now he can count the money has lost by being a total tool. It would be fun if all of us mailed him an individual letter - not only would he waste his time by opening each, perhaps he'd realize that treating customers like dirt eliminates the potential of a LOT of income. I'll see if I can get a more accurate name/address & pass it along to the group. Thanks all for the moral support on this issue - OBC'ers are terrific. In a message dated 7/12/03 6:03:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KeithSummers@webtv.net writes: > Tell us the name of the place & the owner's name. ================= To: Subject: Available Printer Cartridges Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 06:33:59 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, All! My 6-year-old printer, a Hewlett-Packard 612C, just broke down. Could anyone use two color (#49) and two black (#20) ink cartidges? Mike W ================= To: Subject: Slavery Island Saga (continued) Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 07:52:45 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" And things were going so well. Daughter Kate was off to Church Camp, so Jenny and I planned a full 2 week run. Lots to do...siding the cabin, etc. We had been waiting since November for the guy on island with a backhoe to remove a large stump, do the backfill, and take care of our burn pile. He had said he would have it done by January, but unfortunately I didn't pin him down to WHICH January he had in mind. The concept of "Island Time" is alive and well on Slavery Island. So, while the builder and I were doing the siding, Jenny did the backfill by hand. Too late in the year for the burn pile. Then she set her sights on the stump, and started digging it out by hand. One week into the trip, she made a run back over to town (Powell River) for fresh supplies. So far, so good. Beer supply had dwindled, so the timing was wonderful. The next day, back to work on the stump. One root let go and snapped back, and of course struck her right in the eye. First time she had forgotten to wear her goggles. Back to Powell River for a trip to the hospital to have it checked out. Great service, in at noon, out at 12:30. Back to the island, eye patched and leaking, but luckily no serious damage. Sure put a damper on her activities, as she couldn't stand to be in the bright sun for the rest of the week. As for me, hardly any blood spilled at all, and my limbs are intact. And yes, we'll be going back for more abuse the last couple of weeks in August. ================= To: "obc" Subject: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 14:58:56 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today on ESPN'sOutside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench and tossing a footballaround in their jerseys and shoes, and then the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but what a thrill. The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. Thanks for listening. Ken Goetsch ================= To: "ken goetsch" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 13:07:26 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Ken...thank you very much for reminding me why I don't buy that stuff. I need to get jerked back to reality every now and then. If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but what a thrill. The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. Thanks for listening. Ken Goetsch Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 18:50:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines To: ken goetsch , obc From: Chris Stufflestreet --- ken goetsch wrote: > If anybody saw the feature on event used > memorabilia cards today on ESPN's Outside the lines, > it really makes me happy that I don't collect any of > that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a > bench and tossing a football around in their jerseys > and shoes, and then the card companies cutting them > up, and putting them in cards, but what a thrill. > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's > uni's next year makes me ill. Tell me if I am in > the minority. > Thanks for listening. > Ken Goetsch Ken (and others), If you're in the minority, I'm right there beside you. I have always thought that taking a pair of scissors to a piece of memorabilia would only make it I have had a few instances where I have had the following type of conversation with a dealer: He: "What kind of cards are you looking for?" Me: "Old stuff." He: "I've got some 198x rookie cards here..." Me: "No, sir...I'm talking about older stuff than that. You know, like when the Dodgers played in Brooklyn and guys played for $12 thousand a season." He: "Hey, I've got a game-used card of (insert '50s star's name). It's his (insert whatever piece of baseball history was butchered). I'll give you a good deal on it...how 'bout $40?" Me: "Yeah, that's really nice, but it's not what I collect. That card came out two years ago." He: "But he played in the '50s..." Me: "But the card isn't from the '50s." And on and on. Come to think of it, I remember a particular seller who knew that I collected vintage Steelers, and was always trying to get me to buy his randomly-inserted autograph cards or game-used stuff, despite the fact that every time I saw him, I would remind him that if the card wasn't in its present form prior to about 1978, I wasn't even going to consider it. But, he kept it up until I just quit stopping anywhere near his table (at both card shows and the flea market). I've grown weary of those dealers who seem to be under the impression that all collectors are going apesh** over these "lotto-style" insert cards. Personally, if I wanted that guy's autograph I'd have gotten it personally. If I wasn't there to get it, I don't want it. But hey, if you like collecting cards of pieces of a bat that was never swung in a major league game, that's your business and I have no quarrel. But don't automatically assume that I'm going to be willing to drop any amount of money to get it. Sorry for the rambling, but I tend to get that way when I think about these things. And don't get me started on graded cards... Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: Availables Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:04:38 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, Everyone! Here are some availables. Let me know what you need, and I will try to spread them around. Please include your mailing address. Topps 1958: 4 21 28 34 59 65 69 82 89 210 Topps 1959: 117 132 156 171 176 178 210 Topps 1960: 567 Topps 1961: 15 62 127 377 434 Topps 1962:23 Topps 1963: 194 Topps 1965: 440 466 484 488 493 494 511 522 525 Topps 1967: 522 Topps 1968: 468 503 507 539 557 564 Hostess 1975: 20 Hostess 1976:13 14 15 38 47 55 65 68 74 91 92 93 97 98 99 103 112 128 148 Hostess 1977: 18 22 52 53 54 94 95 Hostess 1978: 16 64 66 105 Jello 1962: 71 82 Mike W ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 22:56:28 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com I agree totally. I was at a card show recently and when I told the guy I was only collecting pre-80s stuff he tried selling me a box of some new crap with "vintage" inserts featuring game used inserts. For a mere $75 I could get a box of junk with one insert "guaranteed" froma 60s or 70s player with a piece of bat or uniform in it. I told him for $75 I can buy a LOT of stuff that I actually want! I am very curious to see how the market for these things is in another 5 ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 00:42:21 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Unbelievable experience To: DirectorTH@aol.com, KeithSummers@webtv.net From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... Friday must have been National Bad Customer Relations day for card shops. A long-time favorite card shop of mine in Omaha has been The Catcher's Mitt. A couple years ago, it changed ownership with a guy in his early 70s purchasing it from my very burned-out friend and former owner, Jim Daly. I've only been in the place a few times in the past couple years, as it's mostly consignment auction of UV stuff that tends to be overpriced and underneeded. However, on Friday, I stopped in just to reacquaint myself. Well, the auction was gone, replaced instead by his own cards that were priced way out of line with todays market. The new owner wasn't there but his granddaughter and her boyfriend were running the shop. After quickly looking around, I thought I might be able to salvage the trip by picking up a couple cards of Kirby Puckett that were missing from my collection. I handed them the two cards, which didn't have any price on them, and watched them fumble around trying to find a price. When they failed, even with the big book, I explained to them what sets they were from and where they should be listed. I had figured that they were worth a buck each to me. High "book" was $4 on one, $.50 on the other and so they said they wanted half-book on 'em... $2.25. I didn't have any change on me so I asked if they would take $2 for them. To my utter astonishment, his granddaughter said "No"! I couldn't believe that for a freakin' quarter, the same geniuses who couldn't even find the price of the cards five minutes earlier were driving business right out the door. As I left, I said a quiet "goodbye" to the shop... it'll be the last time I visit it until yet another owner gets ahold of it. Unbelievable indeed... Take care, In a message dated 7/12/03 9:57:44 PM, directorth@aol.com writes: << Keith, The name of the place was Circle Cards (& also had another name on the building - didn't catch that one.) -located on Wagner Ford Ford in Dayton. I get the guy's name unfortunately. I was tempted to tell him that, had he treated me well, he would have had a hundred potential new customers - but now he can count the money has lost by being a total tool. It would be fun if all of us mailed him an individual letter - not only would he waste his time by opening each, perhaps he'd realize that treating customers like dirt eliminates the potential of a LOT of income. I'll see if I can get a more accurate name/address & pass it along to the group. Thanks all for the moral support on this issue - OBC'ers are terrific. Tom >> ================= To: "Announcements \(OBC\)" Subject: **2nd call** (OBC membership poll) Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 06:59:37 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi guys, sorry to bug you again. To those that have already responded, thanks. Go ahead & delete this. To those that haven't (about 40 of you, and you know who you are ), please take a quick second to reply with a "yes", "no", or "move me to inactive status please". Again, per the OBC Rules of Conduct, every six months a poll is taken, in which all members must state their desire to remain on the membership rolls.Any member that doesn't respond to this membership poll, again per the Rules of Conduct, will be removed from the rolls. No need to respond to each server I've sent this to, just reply to one. Thanks again! ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: re: Sam Saletta Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 08:53:44 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - has anyone heard from, or know how to get in touch with, Sam Saletta. Email to him is getting bounced back. Thanks ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:41:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines From: "Joe Isaac" Ken (and all), I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but what a thrill. > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > Thanks for listening. > Ken Goetsch ================= To: "Joe Isaac" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of history, like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. -----Original Message----- From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Ken (and all), I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but what a thrill. > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > Thanks for listening. > Ken Goetsch To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Question about eBay seller and shipping To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Hey all, I recently won a hammered 33 Goudey Hornsby for $23 from a seller--it was probably nailed to a wall at some point and the only way you could lower its value now would be to lose it entirely. No postage cost in the auction listing, so I crossed my fingers and bid. On checkout, he added $5.25 for priority mail and insurance. The actual cost, perhaps, but overkill for something that's already dead. I don't mind it TOO much, since the total is under my high bid, but I certainly would have bid less originally (or perhaps not at all). I >am< going to ask for a cheaper option and will remember to ask before bidding in the future, but a couple questions present themselves. 1) Have any of you protested a lot based on exorbitant postage and been successful? In some cases, it's a clear way to get back the eBay costs--in others, it actually cuts into eBay's take because buyers bid a correspondingly low amount. I think it'd be hard for eBay to do much about it--the seller could say, "I value my work time at $X/hour and charge accordingly." 2) Long shot--anyone bought from this seller? Name Joseph A Kozlik, eBay ID alyanakoz. ~1000 rating, has a bunch of pre-war auctions running right now. Any of you ask for a shipping break from him before? Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:38:19 EDT Subject: Concerned... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... Has anyone been in contact with John Ball lately? I wrote him an e-mail a few weeks ago asking how he's doing and received no reply. I know he's been fighting cancer and I hope he is improving. Has anyone had contact with him? Thanks for any info... ================= Date: 14 Jul 2003 17:57:41 -0000 To: , "Joe Isaac" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I too think the whole idea of destroying a historic piece of memorabilia to sell for profit is revolting. As some of you know I collect prewar bats and, for me at least, paying $100 or more for a chip of a bat (or scrap of a jersey) makes no sense. I can, for the same or less money, buy a nice autographed store model bat that really represents the player. On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" wrote : > I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of > like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > Ken (and all), > I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw > this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the > players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a > practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who > was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), > trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? > And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had > when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. > Joe > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > wrote: > > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today > on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't > collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench > and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then > the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but > what a thrill. > > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year > makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > > Thanks for listening. > > Ken Goetsch > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , "Joe Isaac" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:04:38 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Instead of using 1000 pieces of Babe Ruth's bat as a lottery prize, they should keep the bat in one piece and distribute 1000 lucky coupons. If you have a coupon you get to take 10 swings with the real bat. Maybe have your picture taken with it. -----Original Message----- From: obcjohn@knology.net [mailto:obcjohn@knology.net] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:58 PM To: bdonaldson@callisma.com; Joe Isaac; OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines I too think the whole idea of destroying a historic piece of memorabilia to sell for profit is revolting. As some of you know I collect prewar bats and, for me at least, paying $100 or more for a chip of a bat (or scrap of a jersey) makes no sense. I can, for the same or less money, buy a nice autographed store model bat that really represents the player. On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" wrote : > I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of > like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. > Bob > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > Ken (and all), > I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw > this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the > players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a > practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who > was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), > trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? > And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had > when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. > Joe > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > wrote: > > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today > on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't > collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench > and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then > the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but > what a thrill. > > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year > makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > > Thanks for listening. > > Ken Goetsch > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:19:26 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Rather than the Babe's bat in a 1000 pieces, they should use the one Sammy Sosa just broke. >From: "Bob Donaldson" >Reply-To: >To: , "Joe Isaac" , "OBC >Ramblings" >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines >Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 14:04:38 -0400 >Instead of using 1000 pieces of Babe Ruth's bat as a lottery prize, they >should keep the bat in one piece and distribute 1000 lucky coupons. If you >have a coupon you get to take 10 swings with the real bat. Maybe have your >picture taken with it. >-----Original Message----- >From: obcjohn@knology.net [mailto:obcjohn@knology.net] >Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 1:58 PM >To: bdonaldson@callisma.com; Joe Isaac; OBC Ramblings >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines >I too think the whole idea of destroying a historic piece of memorabilia >to sell for profit is revolting. As some of you know I collect prewar >bats and, for me at least, paying $100 or more for a chip of a bat (or >scrap of a jersey) makes no sense. I can, for the same or less money, buy >a nice autographed store model bat that really represents the player. >On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" > wrote : > > I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of > > like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > > > > > > Ken (and all), > > > > I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw > > this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the > > players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a > > practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who > > was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), > > trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? > > And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had > > when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > > wrote: > > > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today > > on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't > > collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench > > and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then > > the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but > > what a thrill. > > > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year > > makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > > > Thanks for listening. > > > Ken Goetsch > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= To: Subject: 1957 topps football Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 13:09:44 -0700 From: "terry ellis" this is kit and my boss wants me to put on ebay 57fb mostly commons some stars like gifford bednarik, connerly etc . these cards are exceptional nice and we could sell them pretty low if anyones interested. send me list and ill send you price ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 16:43:21 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, Guys! I share the previously voiced concerns about destroying memorabilia (and creating sham memorabilia) for the sake of making a buck. Why not do the following? Take a nice vintage card (such as a 1952 Mantle) and shred it both horizontally and vertically, making about 200 small rectangular pieces. You can then insert them into 200 UV Mantle cards. Then take these 200 cards and shred them, making 40,000 pieces. You can then insert them into UV cards, sell them for $25 each as genuine second-generation 1952 Mantle cards, and make a bundle. Wow! Anyone want to contribute their 1952 Mantle? Mike W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Joe Isaac" ; "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > I too think the whole idea of destroying a historic piece of memorabilia > to sell for profit is revolting. As some of you know I collect prewar > bats and, for me at least, paying $100 or more for a chip of a bat (or > scrap of a jersey) makes no sense. I can, for the same or less money, buy > a nice autographed store model bat that really represents the player. > Bama > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" > wrote : > > I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of > history, > > like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > > > > > > Ken (and all), > > > > I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw > > this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the > > players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a > > practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who > > was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), > > trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? > > And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had > > when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > > wrote: > > > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today > > on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't > > collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench > > and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then > > the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but > > what a thrill. > > > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year > > makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > > > Thanks for listening. > > > Ken Goetsch > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 14 Jul 2003 23:47:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The National From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Is there anyone who is going to the National who could keep an eye peeled for 2 cards for me? These two would finish 2 prewar sets for me. One is card #114 from the 1949 MP & Co. set (Gil Coan) and the other is the Carl Hubbell card from the 1936 S & S game card set. The Coan should be had for just a few bucks in OBC condition and the Hubbell, probably around $40. I haven't seen either of these on Ebay for almost a year. Payback would definitely be in order and of course I'll gladly pay any costs and postage. ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:35:40 EDT Subject: National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Is anyone from Long Island planning to go to the National on Thursday? ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 17:56:51 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Outside the lines From: digdugdig@webtv.net reading, all this stuff about "memorablia" in card packs, of course, makes me sick as well and, again, of course, I feel compelled to put my 2 cents worth in.

First off...Memorabilia???....gimme a break. If I had been there and caught a chip of Sammie's exploding bat it would be under my seat between wood and gum!!

Oh, what I would give for some game used George Brett pine tar!!....or would that be considered like a wax stain??!!

This is el primo example of why I wanted to join OBC...OLD BASEBALL CARDS!!! Like Chris Stufflestreet recently...don't get me started on graded cards...I don't need some yahoo telling me what I think is a nice looking card.

If it fills a hole in the set...a "hole" filled is peeerfect!!!.

The "hobby" has changed, for the worse I'm affraid...too many out there that are not in it for the "hobby"...just $$'ss...and that's why I sign off each note with...

OBC...'Nuff said!!

Thanks for ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:19:56 EDT Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com From: Trufan999@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 23:16:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines To: jwi62@hotmail.com Rather than the Babe's bat in a 1000 pieces, they should use the one Sammy Sosa just broke. When I first got back into collecting maybe 2-3 years ago, I saw an article in a Becketts stating that people where finding what could be cork in Manny Ramirez's Bat card. To say the least I couldn't stop laughing about this for a while. Needless to say I don't have any GU stuff. Then last year a guy from the neighborhood came around during Garage sale weekend and was looking to trade his GU stuff for some of my 1968's. At the time I wasn't very far in collecting these years, and since I had already read that article I knew which direction I would be going in collecting.. NOT GAME USED John Leroux ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Redpath auction (update) Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 08:21:30 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Hi all. Three things to tell you about: 1) Letter to dealers asking for donations 2) Dealers that will receive the letter 3) Donations received 1. About 6 weeks ago, I volunteered to write a letter we can use when we approach dealers and ask for donations to our upcoming auction to benefit Rick Redpath's family. Here's the final version: Hi. Most of you know me through OBC (www.oldbaseball.com). For 13 years we've prided ourselves on being a community rather than just a group of people devoted to cards. In the past, the community has banded together to help its members in need due to illness or misfortune. And when we lose one of our members, it is a loss all of us feel deeply. A few years back, we lost one of our brothers, Kevin Lohse. At that time we decided to hold a members-only auction to raise funds toward college expenses for his young children. I was not part of the group then but I understand that some of you donated cards to this auction, fully understanding that all the proceeds would go to this worthy cause. On April 26, we lost another of our brothers. Rick Redpath was a person who touched all who knew him. Because Rick also has young children, we are reviving the idea of holding an auction with the proceeds to go to the family. This time, we will be auctioning items via ebay, in order to attract the widest possible audience and raise maximum support. Again, we are asking the dealer community to look into their hearts and consider donating some cards to this cause. We will gratefully acknowledge your support in the auction description and in a letter to our members. Much time has already gone by but we are hoping to get the auction process moving along. We intend to begin ebay auctions after the National and continue them until we run out of donated material. If convenient, we can pick up donated items at the National. Otherwise, donations should be sent to: Redpath Auction c/o Ken Morganti 41 Fuller Street Everett MA, 02148-4233 For a bit of information about Rick Redpath, please click here. http://users.rcn.com/rredpath/wantlist.htm Please contact me with your general questions or concerns but note that Ken Morganti (cardcollector@aol.com) will be the person actually posting the auction items. Steve Rittenberg 2. I also put together a list of dealers to be contacted about donations: Kevin Savage Bill Henderson Roger Neufeldt Kurt Turdot Walt Edwards Nick Kirksey Bob Wetzel Mike Wheat Steve Brandenburg Bill Huggins (House of Cards) John Morrison Greg Fisher Chandy Greenholt William Chappell Johnny Hustle Dave Levin (gfg.com) JD Heckathorn Dave Murray Ron Barrett Playball (Las Vegas) Jimmy Cardascia (White Plains) IF THERE ARE OTHER DEALERS THAT YOU WANT TO CONTACT ON YOUR OWN, YOU MAY USE ANY OR ALL OF THIS LETTER AS YOU SEE FIT. NO PRIOR CONSENT IS NEEDED FROM 3. At a show this weekend, I handed a copy of the above letter to five dealers: Barrett, Kirksey, Huggins, Chappell and Brandenburg. I got two answers of "I'll bring something to the National", two donations and one guy I need to follow up with. a. Nick Kirksey donated two 1958 Mickey Mantle All-Star cards, both in great b. Ron Barrett donated a long list of items: 2 dozen 1966 Venezuelan cards, 20 boxers from the 1956 Adventure card set, 4 Johnston Braves cards, 60 & 61 Fleer cards including two Cobbs, Bazooka All-Time Greats including Ruth and Gehrig, an 87 Donruss McGwire card and 1910 Ornate Oval Pin of Al Demaree. Everything here (and anything else I collect) will be turned over at the National to Ken Morganti to be auctioned off. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 21:05:44 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Redpath auction (update) From: Lynn Miller To all my brothers and sisters, This is what makes this "family" so special. The really, really fine people in it and I'm darn proud to be a part of it. I was one of the beneficiaries of the groups' immense kindness and it's something I will never forget. I've made it a solemn vow to meet as many of my family as I can someday so I can thank you personally. It's going to take time, but it will happen. I've been saving my pennies for this one :-) This seems to have the makings for being more successful that I had ever imagined. Thanks so much Steve and Ken and the others who have donated cards, time, whatever to this special event. See you at the auction! Lynn ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 14:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Redpath auction (update) To: From: I think I speak for all of OBC when I say "well done". It's things like this that make OBC special. > Hi all. Three things to tell you about: > 1) Letter to dealers asking for donations > 2) Dealers that will receive the letter > 3) Donations received > 1. About 6 weeks ago, I volunteered to write a letter we can use when we > approach dealers and ask for donations to our upcoming auction to > benefit Rick Redpath's family. Here's the final version: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------- > Hi. Most of you know me through OBC (www.oldbaseball.com). For 13 years > we've prided ourselves on being a community rather than just a group of > people devoted to cards. In the past, the community has banded together > to help its members in need due to illness or misfortune. And when we > lose one of our members, it is a loss all of us feel deeply. A few years > back, we lost one of our brothers, Kevin Lohse. At that time we decided > to hold a members-only auction to raise funds toward college expenses > for his young children. I was not part of the group then but I > understand that some of you donated cards to this auction, fully > understanding that all the proceeds would go to this worthy cause. > On April 26, we lost another of our brothers. Rick Redpath was a person > who touched all who knew him. Because Rick also has young children, we > are reviving the idea of holding an auction with the proceeds to go to > the family. This time, we will be auctioning items via ebay, in order > to attract the widest possible audience and raise maximum support. > Again, we are asking the dealer community to look into their hearts and > consider donating some cards to this cause. We will gratefully > acknowledge your support in the auction description and in a letter to > our members. > Much time has already gone by but we are hoping to get the auction > process moving along. We intend to begin ebay auctions after the > National and continue them until we run out of donated material. > If convenient, we can pick up donated items at the National. Otherwise, > donations should be sent to: > Redpath Auction > c/o Ken Morganti > 41 Fuller Street > Everett MA, 02148-4233 > For a bit of information about Rick Redpath, please click here. > http://users.rcn.com/rredpath/wantlist.htm > Please contact me with your general questions or concerns but note that > Ken Morganti (cardcollector@aol.com) will be the person actually posting > the auction items. > Steve Rittenberg > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------- > 2. I also put together a list of dealers to be contacted about > donations: > Kevin Savage > Bill Henderson > Roger Neufeldt > Kurt Turdot > Walt Edwards > Nick Kirksey > Bob Wetzel > Mike Wheat > Steve Brandenburg > Bill Huggins (House of Cards) > John Morrison > Greg Fisher > Chandy Greenholt > William Chappell > Johnny Hustle > Dave Levin (gfg.com) > JD Heckathorn > Dave Murray > Ron Barrett > Playball (Las Vegas) > Jimmy Cardascia (White Plains) > IF THERE ARE OTHER DEALERS THAT YOU WANT TO CONTACT ON YOUR OWN, YOU MAY > USE ANY OR ALL OF THIS LETTER AS YOU SEE FIT. NO PRIOR CONSENT IS > NEEDED FROM ME. > 3. At a show this weekend, I handed a copy of the above letter to five > dealers: Barrett, Kirksey, Huggins, Chappell and Brandenburg. I got two > answers of "I'll bring something to the National", two donations and one > guy I need to follow up with. > a. Nick Kirksey donated two 1958 Mickey Mantle All-Star cards, both in > great shape. > b. Ron Barrett donated a long list of items: 2 dozen 1966 Venezuelan > cards, 20 boxers from the 1956 Adventure card set, 4 Johnston Braves > cards, 60 & 61 Fleer cards including two Cobbs, Bazooka All-Time Greats > including Ruth and Gehrig, an 87 Donruss McGwire card and 1910 Ornate > Oval Pin of Al Demaree. WOW! > Everything here (and anything else I collect) will be turned over at the > National to Ken Morganti to be auctioned off. > Steve > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:01:24 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Here's a link that relates: http://msn.espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/2003/0711/1579655.html ----- Original Message ----- From: wierzbickim To: bdonaldson@callisma.com ; Joe Isaac ; OBC Ramblings ; obcjohn@knology.net Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines Hi, Guys! I share the previously voiced concerns about destroying memorabilia (and creating sham memorabilia) for the sake of making a buck. Why not do the following? Take a nice vintage card (such as a 1952 Mantle) and shred it both horizontally and vertically, making about 200 small rectangular pieces. You can then insert them into 200 UV Mantle cards. Then take these 200 cards and shred them, making 40,000 pieces. You can then insert them into UV cards, sell them for $25 each as genuine second-generation 1952 Mantle cards, and make a bundle. Wow! Anyone want to contribute their 1952 Mantle? Mike W ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "Joe Isaac" ; "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:57 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > I too think the whole idea of destroying a historic piece of memorabilia > to sell for profit is revolting. As some of you know I collect prewar > bats and, for me at least, paying $100 or more for a chip of a bat (or > scrap of a jersey) makes no sense. I can, for the same or less money, buy > a nice autographed store model bat that really represents the player. > Bama > On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:51:40 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" > wrote : > > I didn't see the show but the thought of someone taking a piece of > history, > > like a Babe Ruth bat and slicing it into pieces is kinda sick. > > > > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Joe Isaac [mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 12:41 PM > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ESPN- Sunday Outside the Lines > > > > > > Ken (and all), > > > > I am proud to say I am also in the minority on this one. I too saw > > this episode and was appalled at the whole darn thing. Even the > > players thought it was a joke - 20 minutes in a uniform for a > > practice and that equates to game used? And that Donruss COO, who > > was the head of Upper Deck (that's what I think I heard him say), > > trying to revitilize the collectible industry with this stupid idea? > > And those kids collecting this garbage and the stunned look they had > > when they were told about the game-used criteria? Suckers. > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken goetsch" > > wrote: > > > If anybody saw the feature on event used memorabilia cards today > > on ESPN's Outside the lines, it really makes me happy that I don't > > collect any of that stuff. What a crock, players sitting on a bench > > and tossing a football around in their jerseys and shoes, and then > > the card companies cutting them up, and putting them in cards, but > > what a thrill. > > > The thought of Donruss cutting up 1 of Ruth's uni's next year > > makes me ill. Tell me if I am in the minority. > > > Thanks for listening. > > > Ken Goetsch > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: memorabilia cards for vintage players? To: darren.Rovell@espn3.com From: John Collins Hi Darren, Very interesting article of yours on espn.com. I am a longtime collector of vintage (pre-1980) baseball cards. I collect only older cards, with an interest in sets and individual cards of baseball hall of famers and other stars. I collected recent and newly issued cards up to a point in the early 1990's, but eventually began to focus only on the older material because of the direction that the hobby was taking with the insert cards, "game-used" chase cards, etc. I am now a member of an online card trading club called "OBC" (Old Baseball Cards - www.oldbaseball.com) that is composed of like-minded individuals who collect only older material with a longing for the good old days, both in sports and in the sportscard hobby. My question on your article concerns the new memorabilia cards that feature "game-used" material from older hall of famers and superstars. Your article is mostly about the football card industry as it is today, but there seem to be just as many game-used products for older ballplayers, including names like Sandy Koufax, Mickey Mantle, even Babe Ruth and Ty Cobb. In your research, did you run across any material on how these cards were produced? Obviously there were no "game-worn" stations or events back in the days of some of these ballplayers to mass-procuce memorabilia cards, but the questions already surrounding the industry and process lead to questions about how these older memorabilia cards are produced as well. When this trend first started about 7 or 8 years ago, people were appaled enough at the idea of Upper Deck shredding an authentic Babe Ruth jersey or Jimmie Foxx's bat just so they could be glued into cards. A couple of years ago, an original Christy Mathewson jersey was said to be up on the chopping block. There can't be more than 2 or 3 of those even in existance! At any rate, I had heard a story earlier that a Whitey Ford jersey that was supposed to be "original, game-worn" was actually a jersey that he had worn in an old timers game. I would think that collectors of this type of material had the same reaction to that as do kids today when they find out that Michael Vick wore somebody else's jersey on his shoulders for 20 seconds. Thank you for helping to expose this problem in the trading card hobby. Even if the game-worn racket were more legitimate, it makes no sense for any card of Ichiro to be worth more than one of my original Mickey Mantle cards, but sadly that is the case today. John Collins Winston-Salem, NC I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: espn e-mail To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins The previous ramble was a CC of my e-mail to the author of the ESPN column on the game-worn memorabilia. If I get a response from him, I will post it here as well. Thanks, hope nobobdy minds, I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Want proof I'm out of my mind? Look no further... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet For those of you that weren't aware, I have been building a website that covers vintage cards for more than three years now. While I have been building the site, I have been writing newsletters and expounding my observations and twisted ideas of how the hobby should be. I started out on this project because I have an end goal in mind: I hope to one day become a writer with articles in the hobby publications and a small amount of respect within the hobby. At one time, I had planned to write a book about the hobby and may still follow that dream eventually. For the time being, however, I have decided to take my history of the hobby (linked on the OBC links page) and make a booklet out of it. This way, I can have something printed that I can sell and use as a sample to pass along to editors in the hope that they might be willing to use me as a freelancer. A very nice lady has been dealing with me -- I am being very particular about the proofreading and editing process -- and is almost ready to begin printing them up. My original idea was simple...I was going to print up a few copies and surprise some of the people I trust to solicit feedback on the project, and use that feedback to determine whether the booklet would be something I could sell on my website. Now that I'm getting close to that point, I have begun to realize that I belong to a community of friends, collectors and traders that we call OBC. Now that I am about to get them printed, I'll ask if anybody wants to add one to their reference shelf. I don't have a cost yet per booklet, but it will probably end up being around $4. If interested, let me know. I'll have Miss Carol print up another copy. If enough people express interest, I can see about getting enough to distribute one to each OBC member. Maybe I'm just crazy for entertaining a thought, but the idea of seeing my name in print appeals to me...it's another step toward my goal. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: All Star Game Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:43:36 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" What a great game. What an entirely irritating game. This game was so irritating to me that I could not enjoy it even while watching great stuff goingon. Every single play, every situation was referenced to the home field advantage in the World Series. Every interview was another chance to ask about how, since this game meant something, the play or stratagy was different (ie. better). If the interviewee did not gush great things about the new format, he was chided somewhat, (Garrett Anderson, Mike Scioscia). Fox went out of their way to show how they have saved the All Star game from extinction but sadly, they only gave me a headache. greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 00:56:34 -0400 To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Redpath auction (update) From: Mark S Talbot Great Job Steve,

    Reminds me that I have to get my donation off to Ken, great work Steve and all who have been involved in this effort.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Steve Rittenberg wrote:

 Hi all.  Three things to tell you

1) Letter to dealers asking for donations
2) Dealers that will receive the letter
3) Donations received

1. About 6 weeks ago, I volunteered to write a letter we can use when we
approach dealers and ask for donations to our upcoming auction to benefit
Rick Redpath's family.  Here's the final version:
Hi. Most of you know me through OBC (www.oldbaseball.com). For 13 years
we've prided ourselves on being a community rather than just a group of
people devoted to cards. In the past, the community has banded together to
help its members in need due to illness or misfortune. And when we lose one
of our members, it is a loss all of us feel deeply. A few years back, we
lost one of our brothers, Kevin Lohse. At that time we decided to hold a
members-only auction to raise funds toward college expenses for his young
children. I was not part of the group then but I understand that some of you
donated cards to this auction, fully understanding that all the
would go to this worthy cause.

On April 26, we lost another of our brothers.  Rick Redpath was a person who
touched all who knew him.  Because Rick also has young children, we are
reviving the idea of holding an auction with the proceeds to go to the
family.  This time, we will be auctioning items via ebay, in order to
attract the widest possible audience and raise maximum support.  Again, we
are asking the dealer community to look into their hearts and consider
donating some cards to this cause.  We will gratefully acknowledge
support in the auction description and in a letter to our members.

Much time has already gone by but we are hoping to get the auction
moving along.  We intend to begin ebay auctions after the National and
continue them until we run out of donated material.

If convenient, we can pick up donated items at the National. 
donations should be sent to:

Redpath Auction
c/o Ken Morganti
41 Fuller Street
Everett MA, 02148-4233

For a bit of information about Rick Redpath, please click here.
http://users.rcn.com/rredpath/wantlist.htm

Please contact me with your general questions or concerns but note that Ken
Morganti (cardcollector@aol.com) will be the person actually posting
auction items.

Steve Rittenberg

2. I also put together a list of dealers to be contacted about donations:

Kevin Savage
Bill Henderson
Roger Neufeldt
Kurt Turdot
Walt Edwards
Nick Kirksey
Bob Wetzel
Mike Wheat
Steve Brandenburg
Bill Huggins (House of Cards)
John Morrison
Greg Fisher
Chandy Greenholt
William Chappell
Johnny Hustle
Dave Levin (gfg.com)
JD Heckathorn
Dave Murray
Ron Barrett
Playball (Las Vegas)
Jimmy Cardascia (White Plains)

IF THERE ARE OTHER DEALERS THAT YOU WANT TO CONTACT ON YOUR OWN, YOU MAY USE
ANY OR ALL OF THIS LETTER AS YOU SEE FIT.  NO PRIOR CONSENT IS NEEDED FROM

3. At a show this weekend, I handed a copy of the above letter to
dealers: Barrett, Kirksey, Huggins, Chappell and Brandenburg.  I got two
answers of "I'll bring something to the National", two donations and one guy
I need to follow up with.

a. Nick Kirksey donated two 1958 Mickey Mantle All-Star cards, both in great
b. Ron Barrett donated a long list of items: 2 dozen 1966 Venezuelan
20 boxers from the 1956 Adventure card set, 4 Johnston Braves cards, 60 & 61
Fleer cards including two Cobbs, Bazooka All-Time Greats including Ruth and
Gehrig, an 87 Donruss McGwire card and 1910 Ornate Oval Pin of Al Demaree.

Everything here (and anything else I collect) will be turned over at the
National to Ken Morganti to be auctioned off.
To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

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================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 04:16:55 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: member trading cards / Stufflestreet book From: keithsummers@webtv.net From: KeithSummers@webtv.net Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:01:21 -0400 (EDT) To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet) Subject: Stufflestreet book / OBC member trading cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Want proof I'm out of my mind? Look no further... ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:49:33 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Want proof I'm out of my mind? Look no further... To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Put me on the list Chris. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: some cardboard goof ups with trivia Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:03:51 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Hey everyone, I was sorting through some cardboard the other day and came across the '72 card of Billy Martin, #33. Notice how Billy leans on the bat with his extended middle finger down the bat handle for a subtle one-finger salute. Remembering other faux paux by players (and Topps for that matter), I went on a hunt to remember the others I came across years ago. Here is the brief list I came up with.... Claude Raymond ('66 #586 and '67 #364) - How poor Claude could go unnoticed by flying low in back-to-back years. Man, pull up your fly!! I realize that occasionally Topps would use the same photo on successive years, but this was no mistake since Claude gave Topps 2 different poses!! Tommy John ('69 #465) - On this pose, Tommy is showing offf his follow-through for the camera. There is only one problem - the ball was still in his glove! I know there are other pitcher shots like this, but this one stands out in my mind. In the words of Homer Simpson, D'oh!! Here are 2 more (and a little bit of trivia)..... How about Aurelio Rodriguez ('69 #653)...or is it? Actually, it's not Aurelio. Anyone know who's picture is on the card? And Dick Ellsworth ('66 #447)....try again Topps. This was one big goof. Anyone know who this is? Have fun. Maybe others can come up with other cardboard goofs. STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Request for inactive status Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:04:29 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have been informed that Jimmy "Catfish" Parker and Brad Fox would like to be moved to the OBC Inactive list. Per the OBCAC Rules of Conduct, I must inform the membership of their request and call for comments. Following that, the OBCAC will take a vote on whether to grant their request. Here is the pertinent section of the OBCAC Rules of Conduct: OBC Inactive Members Procedures: 1. Members will not count against the OBC membership cap. 2. A members email link will be listed on a separate page at the website, and not included with the current OBC members. Your entry will include your name and email link only. A link to your wantlist or homepage is not 3. Members are granted access to all the OBC mailservers. 4. Members may keep their entry in the OBC Bios page. 5. Members will not be listed in the OBC Directory which includes current members mailing address and phone numbers. 6. Members must respond to all regular OBC Membership Polls. The guidelines for Inactive Members are the same as regular members concerning Membership Polls. 7. Members may not serve on the OBCAC (Advisory Committee). Current OBC members may move to the inactive membership list by contacting any OBCAC member. Former OBC members may apply for OBC Inactive Membership by contacting any OBCAC member. After the general membership is notified of the former members request and polled for comments, a majority vote of OBCAC is needed for admission to OBC Inactive. To return to regular OBC Membership, an OBC Inactive member would follow the "Former Member" instructions listed in the OBC Rules For Conduct. (Amended by AC meeting of 8/00) - Last year the OBCAC discussed the abolition of "inactive status" however, only 4 of the required 7 members voted so no action could be taken. - There is no longer a membership cap. However, until the OBCAC decides to change its Rules of Conduct, it is improper for me to state otherwise. Steve Rittenberg OBC Facilitator ================= To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] some cardboard goof ups with trivia Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:19:21 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" >And Dick Ellsworth ('66 #447)....try again Topps. This was one big goof. >Anyone know who this is? That was Ken Hubbs who appeared on the 1966 #447 card. Hubbs was killed in a plane crash after his rookie season (1962 or 63 I think). Not sure why Topps still had a picture of him laying around in 1966 though. My favorite good was the 1964 Phillies rookie card of Rick Wise and Dave Bennett (#561). On the back of the card for Dave Benett it says "The 19 year old curver baller is just 18 years old". MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= To: "Joe Isaac" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] some cardboard goof ups with trivia Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:22:55 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" 1. Leonard Garcia, batboy 2. Ron Santo And here are some more: '59 #316 Lumenti...I think is actually Camilio Pascual '63 #113 Landrum...Ron Santo '63 #231 Grba......Ryne Duren But the one that has always amused me the most is '63 #173 Tresh/Mantle/Richardson. Check out where the Mick has placed the extra bat. How about Aurelio Rodriguez ('69 #653)...or is it? Actually, it's not Aurelio. Anyone know who's picture is on the card? And Dick Ellsworth ('66 #447)....try again Topps. This was one big goof. Anyone know who this is? Have fun. Maybe others can come up with other cardboard goofs. STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] some cardboard goof ups with trivia To: Grant Rainsley , Joe Isaac , From: Chris Stufflestreet --- Grant Rainsley wrote: > 1. Leonard Garcia, batboy > 2. Ron Santo I respectfully disasgree here: the 1966 Dick Ellsworth card pictured Cub infielder Ken Hubbs. Topps really had some egg on its face with this card, because Hubbs had perished in a plane crash prior to the 1964 season. > And here are some more: > '59 #316 Lumenti...I think is actually Camilio > Pascual > '63 #113 Landrum...Ron Santo > '63 #231 Grba......Ryne Duren > But the one that has always amused me the most is > '63 #173 > Tresh/Mantle/Richardson. Check out where the Mick > has placed the extra bat. > Grant > How about Aurelio Rodriguez ('69 #653)...or is it? > Actually, it's not > Aurelio. Anyone know who's picture is on the card? > And Dick Ellsworth ('66 #447)....try again Topps. > This was one big goof. > Anyone know who this is? > Have fun. Maybe others can come up with other > cardboard goofs. > Joe > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: "Joe Isaac" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] some cardboard goof ups with trivia Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:54:14 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I eat my words..it was indeed Hubbs, not Santo. Here are 2 more (and a little bit of trivia)..... How about Aurelio Rodriguez ('69 #653)...or is it? Actually, it's not Aurelio. Anyone know who's picture is on the card? And Dick Ellsworth ('66 #447)....try again Topps. This was one big goof. Anyone know who this is? Have fun. Maybe others can come up with other cardboard goofs. STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 16 Jul 2003 23:11:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help at the National From: "obcjohn@knology.net" A few days ago I asked if someone going to the National would look out for a couple of cards for me. No sooner do I ask for help but the Hubbell card appears on EBay. No sign of the Coan though, so could someone look for card #114 from the 49 MP & Co. set? ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:14:56 EDT Subject: 1978 TCMA Mantle reissue card worth $550??? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Hi- i noticed this lot on ebay # 2741463471 and can't believe the values of some of the graded 1978 TCMA cards- i see these reprints at baseball card shows for 25 cents a piece- Who would bother to grade modern junk reprints?-Is this the direction the hobby is moving toward? i hope not!-Notice the seller values these TCMA reprints more than a lot of the vintage cards!!! ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:58:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A rant about the medical profession From: "mikesportsfan" My apologies to anyone in the group who is a qualified member of the medical profession and actually looks out for patients and their best interests. Most of you know I have had some health issues, which although not life threatening, have been life affecting. Main problem is ulcerative colitis. However, due to a family history of colon cancer (my father's father died of colon cancer) combined with colon problems on my mother's side, and my current diagnosis of ulcerative colitis, the Dr.'s have informed me that it is more a matter of when, not if, I will test positive for colon cancer. With such a prognosis, you can imagine that I am real good about going in for my annual colonoscopy, starting in my late 30s. For those of you that have had the test, or know someone who has, the test is not bad, it is the day before prep that is the problem. This applies to the "invasive" colonoscopy, not the new "virtual" colonoscopy, which I am not a candidate for. I have been scheduled, for over a month, to go in the hospital tomorrow for this year's test. I took off work today an tomorrow. That was a challenge as I have been working 7 days a week, the last few months. It cost me some business. Additionally, my father was due to pick me up at 6:30 in th emorning to take me to the hospital, since they knock you out for the colonoscopy, and you cannot drive home. At 4:00 today, I got a call from the Dr. office that my regular Dr. office had once again fouled up and had not cleared the test with the insurance company. Test postponed. Now remember, I started the test prep this morning (much worse than the test itself) and had missed a day of work. Dad had cleared his schedule and I still have to see the Dr. tomorrow for an unrelated problem, they were dealing with at the same time. So now I have to re-schedule and miss another 2 days of work. To add insult to injury, the prep kit, has previously been provided by the hospital as part of the procedure. As of yesterday, they now charge for it. So since I used up 1/2 of the prep kit before being notified, I now have to buy the kit. I am told it is real cheap, but it is the principal of it. A change in my insurance a couple of years ago, is how I ended up with the inept office that fouled up the paperwork. I am in an HMO, which stands for Horrible Medical Operations. I think I had reported some problems I had with this office a few months ago, when the nurse actually busted a needle off in my ass. Sorry for the visual. They turned my ass into a pin cushion that day. People go and shoot up Post Offices or places of employment (or former places of employment), but I do not recall hearing about anyone going after a Dr. Surprising, as their errors can really screw up someone's life. I know this is merely inconvenient, not to mention, cost me a lot of money, for the missed work and other costs, but it has me really pissed off. Among the prep was a no solid food from 9:00 AM on. Although I often skip lunch, the prep that clears out your system, made me real hungry. So I know I have been irritable today. Even with that, there is no excuse for the Dr. office screwing this FYI, the expression "Going Postal" which started after the first post office shooting, was caused by someone I graduated high school with. Yes, that is correct, the first Post Office shooter was in my graduating class. I live in the Detroit area. Does anyone want to mess with me? Thanks for letting me vent. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:01:49 EDT Subject: Fwd: Question from eBay Member To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com In a message dated 7/14/2003 11:36:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, hof99@nolanryan.net writes: > Hi! I like your ebay name and was hoping that since you are inactive, you > would give me permission to use it. Do you want to "sell" it, or can I have > it??? Thank you very much for your consideration. Got this in the mail - is this a new scam of some sort? Bill Malson ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:08:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ryne Duren card wanted From: Robert Fitts >A few weeks ago my six-year-old son Ben begged for an autograph of a "Real Yankee". Last week, I met Ryne Duren at the SABR convention and he signed a ball for Ben. I was wondering if anybody out there could send Ben a Duren card from when he was on the Yankees. He's 6 so condition doesn't matter at all. If you can help out Please address the envelope to Ben Fitts 200 East End Ave #2M New York NY 10128 Also all OBCers should stop by my booth at the National (#1406) to say hi. I'm going down in a friends car so I don't know if I'll have room for my OBC cards, but I'll try to bring a box along Rob Fitts ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 11:55:30 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Question from eBay Member To: Malsman250@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com YES!! big scam...if you give them the name and password they can access your account incl. credit card info...dont do it. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ryne Duren card wanted To: ochiai@mindspring.com From: John Collins As Ryne Duren's HOM sponosor, I would be honored to fulfill that request. How about a '59 Topps? I think I have at least 3 of them. --- Robert Fitts wrote: > > > > > >A few weeks ago my six-year-old son Ben begged for > an autograph of a "Real Yankee". Last week, I met > Ryne Duren at the SABR convention and he signed a > ball for Ben. I was wondering if anybody out there > could send Ben a Duren card from when he was on the > Yankees. He's 6 so condition doesn't matter at all. > If you can help out > > > Please address the envelope to Ben Fitts 200 East > End Ave #2M New York > NY 10128 > Also all OBCers should stop by my booth at the > National (#1406) to say > hi. I'm going down in a friends car so I don't know > if I'll have room > for my OBC cards, but I'll try to bring a box along > thanks > Rob Fitts I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ryne Duren card wanted To: ochiai@mindspring.com From: John Collins "HOM" is the OBC Hall of Mediocrity -- a place on the OBC website to honor those players which we all remember but who also have little chance of making Cooperstown. Each OBC member is allowed to sponsor one player of their choosing, if they like. This brings up a point that I tried to address over a year ago. There hasn't been much done with the HOM lately. In fact, Ryne Duren isn't even profiled on the HOM page because back sometime after Dan turned loose the webmaster responsibilities, the HOM kind of went defunct. Is there anybody out there that would have an interest in reviving (and upkeeping) the HOM portion of the website? If so, let me know. --- Robert Fitts wrote: > Hi > That would be awesome! Thanks! What is HOM? > rob > John Collins wrote: > >Rob, > > > >As Ryne Duren's HOM sponosor, I would be honored to > >fulfill that request. How about a '59 Topps? I > think > >I have at least 3 of them. > > > >--John > > > >--- Robert Fitts wrote: > > > > > >>>A few weeks ago my six-year-old son Ben begged > for > >>> > >>> > >>an autograph of a "Real Yankee". Last week, I met > >>Ryne Duren at the SABR convention and he signed a > >>ball for Ben. I was wondering if anybody out > there > >>could send Ben a Duren card from when he was on > the > >>Yankees. He's 6 so condition doesn't matter at > all. > >> If you can help out > >> > >> > >>Please address the envelope to Ben Fitts 200 East > >>End Ave #2M New York > >>NY 10128 > >> > >> > >>Also all OBCers should stop by my booth at the > >>National (#1406) to say > >>hi. I'm going down in a friends car so I don't > know > >>if I'll have room > >>for my OBC cards, but I'll try to bring a box > along > >> > >>thanks > >>Rob Fitts > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > >===== > >________________________________________ > >I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. > >Check out my online wantlist at: > >http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to > Outlook(TM). > >http://calendar.yahoo.com > > > > > > I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: Hall of Mediocrity Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:58:41 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" For the new kids in the group- On the OBC website, go to OBC Specials, and scroll down to the HOM. You'll see some great names in there. OBC members may submit one player, must have had at least one card issued prior to 1980, and zero chance of making the real Hall. Please provide a short note as well with the reason why you chose your guy. I'll dig up cards of your nominee and send scans and the info to our webmaster, Wayne Delia. ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Re: Cardboard GoofUps Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:34:33 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" That was FUN! A long standing OBC "Cardboard GoofUp" involves 1966 Topps #43 Don Landrum. If I remember there are three variations all involving Dons "fly". 1. Wide Open 2. Partially covered up with one button showing. 3. Fully covered up. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cardboard GoofUps To: obc ramblings From: Matthew The 1957 Aaron reversed negative comes to mind, even without a Landrum-esque fix. Knowing the cost of some error cards, that's probably a good thing! - Spike --- "larry.tipton" wrote: > That was FUN! A long standing OBC "Cardboard GoofUp" involves 1966 Topps #43 Don Landrum. If I > remember there are three variations all involving Dons "fly". > 1. Wide Open > 2. Partially covered up with one button showing. > 3. Fully covered up. > Guru Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: "larry.tipton" , Subject: Re: Cardboard GoofUps Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:05:43 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Hmmmm...wonder if we can convince our overworked webmaster to put in a section under "OBC Specials" for Cardboard Goof-Ups. Wayne, don't you just love it when people volunteer for you to do stuff :>) That was FUN! A long standing OBC "Cardboard GoofUp" involves 1966 Topps #43 Don Landrum. If I remember there are three variations all involving Dons 1. Wide Open 2. Partially covered up with one button showing. 3. Fully covered up. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 17:18:25 EDT Subject: Re: Fwd: Question from eBay Member To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:01:49 EDT, malsman250@cs.com writes: < Hi! I like your ebay name and was hoping that since you are inactive, you > would give me permission to use it. Do you want to "sell" it, or can I > it??? Thank you very much for your consideration. Got this in the mail - is this a new scam of some sort? Bill Malson >> Something about that looks fishy. First of all, I don't consider your eBay account "inactive", since I was able to pull up a few auctions you've bid on within the last month or so. I guess you've gotta get on there and bid every other day at least to remain "active"? Secondly, who would want a name like 'swampy3'? Clearly, 'swampy' or even 'swampy1' would be a much better choice Sounds like they're trying to get you to hand over your eBay password at some point, so they can have your ID. I'd report this to eBay, Ken M ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cardboard GoofUps Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:33:33 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" I don't remember whose card this was, but one of my favorite card screw-ups(I think in the 1964 Topps set) said something like this: "This 19-year-old player will turn 19 on his next birthday." Mike W ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: larry.tipton ; OBC Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cardboard GoofUps Hmmmm...wonder if we can convince our overworked webmaster to put in a section under "OBC Specials" for Cardboard Goof-Ups. Wayne, don't you just love it when people volunteer for you to do stuff :>) That was FUN! A long standing OBC "Cardboard GoofUp" involves 1966 Topps #43 Don Landrum. If I remember there are three variations all involving Dons 1. Wide Open 2. Partially covered up with one button showing. 3. Fully covered up. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:58:59 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vacation time From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I will be on vacation for the next 10 days, so if you don't hear from me that is the reason. Gosh, Internet withdrawal (shudder). Hope to see several parts of the country and my wife and I have some business mixed in. Should be a fun time. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:59:07 EDT Subject: website for researching old players? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com I'm doing some research on players from 1910-15. Is there a good website that would let me do this? ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:18:30 EDT Subject: website for researching minor leaguers To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Chris Stufflestreet gave me a great link for a site that has been really helpful tonight for looking at players' histories in their major league careers. Is there a similarly helpful site for doing research on minor leagues from ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:31:46 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: member cards/goofs/ Great American Baseball Card Trading Flipping From: keithsummers@webtv.net Well the 14 people from last year has shrunk down to only 1 (myself) that are interested in OBC member cards apparently :-( Even Glenn didn't reply. As far as goof ups on baseball cards (Is there any of BB or FB cards?) I can think of the 61-63 Boog Powell & the 89 Fleer? Cal Ripken which both had writing on the bat's end, in addition to the others mentioned such as 6? Landrum, 69 Angels bat boy etc. Then there's the one of Braves pitcher Lew/Lou Burdett (sp?) with glove on wrong hand from the late 50s. If you count other 81's & up (most of you don't) the 81 Donruss set had several goofs like reversed negatives showing RH batters batting left etc. (Tim Flannery?). What yr card was that of Johnny Unitas where it mentioned his hair was too tight? That funny pic was left out of my 2nd copy, I guess since it was a reprint :-( Anybody know of others left out of the reprinted Nice to hear Rickey Henderson is back in MLB! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: show calander on Web Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:07:54 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Does anyone know of a web site that lists bb card show dates and times? ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 06:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] show calander on Web To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC Ramblings From: John Collins There is one on the Beckett website. I'm not sure of the specific link, but if you go to google or another search engine and query on "beckett show calendar" it will always come up. You can search by state and dates for the shows. Hope this helps, --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > Does anyone know of a web site that lists bb card > show dates and times? > thanks > Bob I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 15:36:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: SABR and OBC meet From: "rayluurs" As everyone know Denver was host to the National SABR convention this year(I suppose everyone in SABR/OBC knows that). Well this year along with my hosting, I had the opportunity of combing most my loves together (loves of hobbies before my wife reads On Thursday which was my first day of work, I made a great effort to stray from my post to go an introduce myself to OBCer Rob Fitt who was getting ready to help run a committe meeting on Asian baseball. Because of my duties, I was able to see Rob in hallways but never really got to sit down with him. It was nice to introduce myself and put another face to email ramblings and thanks. Getting back to my position my next two encounters were with childhood hero Ryne Duren. The second time he autographed his new book and a baseball for me. A very pleasurable person to deal with, as was Charlie Metro, Nick Willite, George Frazier, Rolland Hemond, and Byron "Mex" Johnson, a 92 year old Negro ball player. All which graciously autographed ball for me. I found out later that this is not what SABR about and was kind of chastised for it. It will probably be my last year as SABR because of it even though I have had several memebers who says this is a rather Acceptable manner at conventions and have urged me to stay. The only bad expierence I had was i left without my Nick Willihite ball as it was misplaced or taken by someone who also didnt know this was what sabr is about. Also managed to tick off wife by adding to library with books by Ryne Duren, Dan Levitts(old Haksey Hall Chapter memeber and vintage baseball player of the Quicksteps that i played with who wrote a book on the buildings of teams called "Paths to Glory", books on the Western Leaue, Women's baseball, Negro leagues, Pam Postema book. I also managed a few minutes away with a couple of firends and I took them to a card show where i picked up a 57 Kaline and some 60, 61 and 63 commons and a favorite card shop of mine where i picked up 125 Philly Gum cards all years and oh yeah a 1971 (709) rookie card of Don Baylor. Question why is this card always Don Baylor's rookie card...it also has Dusty baker and Tom Pacorieck (no one need to email about the reason it isnt call the Pacorieck card:-) Last but not least, we had a silent auctions which i made bids on a Marty Marion ball and a couple of books of Shoeless Joe, but to my surprise the only think I won was an autogaphed NY baseball cap bu Gil McDougald that when I saw it had Linda Fitak's name written all over it. Linda I will get that in the mail in next few days for I hope now that everything is almost back to noramal i can concetrate on getting a few cards out to get back into the trading business Well before you fall asleep i will end this Morganti short story bu saying it was wella ttended and for the most part it was enjoyable hosting and attending ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 16:18:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: show calander on Web From: "Joe Isaac" Bob and John, Here is the link from Buckett's site.. http://www.beckett.com/news/calendar.asp --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Collins wrote: > Bob, > There is one on the Beckett website. I'm not sure of > the specific link, but if you go to google or another > search engine and query on "beckett show calendar" it > will always come up. > You can search by state and dates for the shows. > Hope this helps, > --John > --- Bob Donaldson wrote: > > Does anyone know of a web site that lists bb card > > show dates and times? > > > > thanks > > > > Bob > > > ===== > ________________________________________ > I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. > Check out my online wantlist at: > http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Vacation time Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:37:10 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Hi all, I'll be leaving on vacation next week for a trip to Calgary and the Canadian Rockies. We'll be spending a few days in Calgary and hope to find some card shops, eh? If anyone wants me to look for something along the OPC or hockey lines, let me know. I never met an OBCer I didn't like... ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 14:57:45 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vacation time To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Judy and I areleaving this afternoon for 18 days in England, Scotland, and Wales. I'll try to check email occasionally at a cyber cafe, but the laptop is staying at home. We'll be spending one night at the Codere home in Glasgow. - Doug ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Vacation time Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 20:11:43 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" ..so if anyone would like to pass a message along to Doug, they can do so via me! Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com [mailto:Traderdoug@aol.com] Sent: 18 July 2003 19:58 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vacation time Judy and I areleaving this afternoon for 18 days in England, Scotland, and Wales. I'll try to check email occasionally at a cyber cafe, but the laptop is staying at home. We'll be spending one night at the Codere home in Glasgow. - Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor click here . ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:14:24 EDT Subject: Change of plans To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com It seems as though I am not destined to see a major league game this year. I had planned on attending a Dodger - Giant game earlier with Rick and Geordie when a family emergency changed my plans. Our family had a vacation to Laguna Beach planned for this following week with a side trip to Dodger Stadium for a game. Our plans were changed last night when Cindy's brother passed away in Colorado. We are therefore off to Colorado for the funeral. Ironically the Rockies will be in LA while we are in Rest well, ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 21:40:11 EDT Subject: Unbelievable To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Ok, here I am a fairly new collector with most of you that I have traded with they have been mainly cards in the 70's. So I see this auction for over 1000 cards from the 60's and 70's late last week and it had a buy it now for $38.00. No pictures but he states that the majority are from 1969-1971 with a few from as far back as 1955. So I hit the buy it now and take this sucker. Well its been a week and no cards and no emails from the seller. I paypal btw. So I ship off an email to him this morning asking what it the status with the shipment. Tonight I get back his reply. Sorry been waiting to hear from you and I wanted to let you know that I made a mistake and the cards are from the 80's.... Ugggg At least he offered me a refund.... John Leroux ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 10:35:33 EDT Subject: Avails To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I have these cards if anyone needs 'em - just say the word: 1958 Topps 339, 439 1961 Topps: 54, 164, 212, 316, 414 1962 Topps: 186,187,417 1965 Topps:452, 594 1968 Topps 278 (the variation with the copyright on the right) 1975 Topps: 147, 175, 229, 262, 269, 416, 438, 475 Have at 'em; please include your address with your request. ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 08:57:27 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Butterfingers From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, To save any future fanciers some typing, unfortunately my BFinger dupes have been spent. At least until the next time!! For those that have inquired (Peter, Paul, and, sorry Geno but you get to be Mary!!...well, merry maybe!!), please be patient as I am promising to deliver these before I've even gotten them...may be a few weeks, so pray that I don't go senile before then!! Take care all...Doug OBC...'nuff said!! ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:24:10 EDT Subject: debating on going to the national...... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Hi all Anyone in the group goint to the national on wednesday? If so let me know because im debating on sneaking out of the house for the day to make a trip to AC for the day .......LET ME KNOW Rob Gioia ================= To: "Announcements \(OBC\)" Subject: OBC membership poll; last call Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 16:52:49 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all, This is the last call for participation in the semi-annual OBC membership poll. I have yet to hear from the following OBC members - these include those on both the active and the inactive list. I have sent a general note tothe membership and also a personal note to each. If anybody knows of any circumstance that may preclude any of these guys not being able to get in touch with me, or knows them personally and can give them a call, please letme know. For instance, I know Doc Ball has been battling health issues - has anyone spoken with him lately? Anyway, I need to get the status of the following. If I don't hear anything soon, I will forward the remaining names to the AC - per OBC Rules of Conduct, they will be removed from membership. John Ball, Steve Hitzeman, John Storman, Joe Sweet, Art Wainwright, Tom Williams, Lorin Anderson, Iggy Gonzalez, John Hathcock, Greg Kuhn, David Nathan. Please let me know as soon as possible so these gentlemen remain part of the ================= To: Subject: 33 goudey Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:22:12 -0700 From: "terry ellis" does anyone have any of the gehrigs from the 33 set they are willing to trade? a friend of mine is doing the set and needs them all. he has the ruths even one a psa7. only catch is they must be ex as the set is ex5. he has lots of stars 40s, 50s,and 60s , he can make a square deal. lmk kit okamuro ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:31:02 -0500 Subject: A Note for Mike Diamanti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Matt Shirley" Mike (via OBC),
I got all the emails you sent recently and replied to each one. Either your inbound filter is killing them, or I have  a problem with my outbounds. Has anyone else noticed any issues with emails from me or sent Mike Diamianit something that he did not receive?????
Thanks for checking, and Mike we are fine just very wet!
================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 07:32:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Booklet update and a waiver wire... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet My booklet is going through its final proof now, and the lovely Miss Carol showed me a beautiful cover that has been designed for it. If has some images of cards and packs over a U.S. flag, bat and cathcers' mitt. I was impressed. The final product will be 12 pages long and in full color. But I have one question to pose to the group (or at least the OBCAC)...AS it is now, there is nothing on the back cover. Is there a problem with using an OBC logo (I'm thinking of using one of Guru's stickers because it's perfect) on the back? Or does this go against the grain of the OBC rules? The last thing I want to do is to give any sense of impropriety because I'll probably sell this booklet on my website, but I feel this would give a little more recognition to OBC. If it's OK, I'll get it set up, if not, I'll keep it To those who have asked for a copy, I'll let you know what they will cost me when they get printed. It might be a couple of weeks, but I promise you'll hear from me. I've upgraded some of my '50s baseball sets and have some availables. 1953 Bowman Color: 29, 34. 1955 Topps: 62, 70, 130, 137. 1954 Bowman football: 33, 104. I also have two Kahn's cards for anybody looking to fill some holes. From the 1964 Kahn's set, I have a Woody Held card that has been torn in half (both peices are here, but it's enough to make some collectors cry). The other one is from 1967, I think...it's John Edwards, who appears in the '66 and '67 sets but since the design is the same both years, I can't tell you which on it is. The Kahn's logo at the top has been cut off, but this one doesn't come in two pieces. Have at 'em! Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 10:38:13 EDT Subject: Re: debating on going to the national...... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Sat, 19 Jul 2003 19:24:10 EDT, Celenox@aol.com writes: << Hi all Anyone in the group goint to the national on wednesday? If so let know because im debating on sneaking out of the house for the day to make a trip to AC for the day .......LET ME KNOW Rob Gioia I'm driving down that way on Wed. to check into the hotel. You'll be disappointed if you plan on meeting up at the show however, since it doesn't start until Thursday. Hope that helps you in your decision ;-) Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 15:02:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A Note for Mike Diamanti From: "Ken Morganti" Matt, (all) I don't get to read most of your messages to the server. I get it in Digest form and almost always it says "[This message is not in displayable format]". In fact, I replied to this one via the Yahoo!groups website (the only place I can read your messages) and it didn't quote your original message like it usually does. (I haven't edited anything below). I think it has something to do with messages being sent out in HTML format instead of text, but I could be wrong. There's a couple other guys in the group that have the same results. (Ben Fisher and Doug Chamberlain are two I noticed recently). TTYL, Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Matt Shirley" < MatShirley@a...> wrote: ================= To: Subject: 1975 topps availables Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:04:24 -0700 From: "terry ellis" #1.623.12.370.616.70.335.560.193.312. lmk kit ================= To: Subject: more 75s Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 12:07:15 -0700 From: "terry ellis" ================= To: "o b" Subject: Pgh. get-together Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 23:44:05 -0400 From: "jeff sinclair" Finally got to meet some of the guys! Kent, The Fugitive, Mattman, Terry D., and myself, met at the Montgomery residence for some swapping and camaraderie on Saturday. Peter, sorry I missed you! Thanks to Kent and family for their hospitality and for Kent pulling some strings to get us tickets to see the Washington Wildthings at Falconi Field. A really great minor league ballpark with giveaways every half inning. I have to mention that my ten year old son was selected for an on field water balloon batting contest. Theirwinning effort was awarded with a bottle of Dean's water which now sits inour shrine next to the souvenir baseball autographed by the Wildthing's mascot appropriately named "The Wildthing". Kent also finished off my 68 Topps game set with card #6 Clemente! There was a lot of cardboard going aroundthe table and I'm not sure who hit me with what exactly but I was able to put a serious dent in the 67 set and picked up some 65's and 66's as well. Not sure if I was able to help the other guys much, seems we are all into the same areas of our sets at this time but I'll be watching for the startersets coming up in the future! A really special thanks to Richard who "hit"my son Adam with a 3200 count box of UV baseball, football, basketball andhockey. I haven't seen Adam since we got home, figure he'll come out of his room sometime next week! Thanks to all of these guys for the cardboard, but more importantly their friendship! Isn't it great that we can get together, having never met before, and feel like we know each other somehow? The Robert Morris show is coming again this fall and I hope to get together with the group again then. I can probably talk Suzanne into hosting a swap meet, if I can't, Adam will! Thanks again guys! ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 12:58:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: National Swap Session From: "Ken Morganti" National attendees, After some deliberation and major procrastination on my part, the time/place for the National Swap Session is set (almost) Where: Days Inn - Absecon/Atlantic City 224 E White Horse Pike (US 30) Absecon, NJ 08201 When: Sat July 26th, 2003 from 7PM - midnight or so. (The show lets out at 6, so you'll have an hour to find the place) Cost: $150 for the room (not per person), plus whatever we can eat and drink (pizza and soda). We are allowed to bring our own food if you're allergic to I still have to sign the contract, which I'll do when I get into town and see the room. This is what the guy at the hotel said to do. If you're in the area, please come. If you're waiting for an invitation - YOU'RE READING IT NOW!! You may volunteer to chip in for the cost of the room and pizza/soda, but no more than $10-15. If you don't have any dupes, you can trade some of mine, but you may be forced to drive home with whatever you can't get rid of at the swap ;-) If you can only attend the National one day - Don't bother and come to this instead. For the same price as admission to the show, you'll have a much better time, the card prices are cheaper, and the food is better. I'll have the room set up for 25 people, but response to Kent Goto's poll so far has been lukewarm. If you're thinking about dropping by, he's keeping score of all the where, when, how and phone numbers. That's the up to the minute info as I have it. Hope to see a bunch of you there Saturday! TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thanks and an OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his home in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you can give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out of three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an evening of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and sat along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally in the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again as they make a trip south. Thanks for the cards and company, guys! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:52:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC outing To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Sweet ba-jesus! Yahoo decided to go nuts (is that why they're called "Yahoo?") and send my outing description about a dozen times. Sorry for the email litter, it's worth reading once--but that's --- Matthew wrote: > To: obc ramblings > From: Matthew > Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 06:38:20 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Thanks and an OBC outing > Full day today, both on the card and activity fronts. Sean McGowan and I started the day by > converging on Jim Hatch's house, who'd courteously reserved tee times at Windham CC near his > home > in Nashua, NH. We pulled the enviable 10:50 start time (that's right, we want ALL the sun you > can > give us--ALL of it!) and spent 4+ hours making the turns, dips, and hacks that befit an OBC golf > outing. I took inspiration from British Open winner Ben Curtis and finished third (*cough* out > of > three), several strokes back of Sean and several more back of Jim. I claimed the third place > prize, a free doughnut from the clubhouse. > After the round of golf, we drove to T-Bone's for quality American dining, where the soda is > bottomless and the servers are on summer vacation. The repast ended perfectly timed to an > evening > of baseball at Holman Stadium, home of the Nashua Pride. We met Bob Donaldson at the park and > sat > along the third base line, enjoying the plentiful leg room and perfect evening. Bob threw a few > cards at us, my hit being a 1955 high number. Sean chipped in with a 53T archives #5. The game > started quickly, but bogged down somewhat in the middle, as the visiting Pennsylvania Road > Warriors batted around and produced six runs in the sixth inning. They withstood a minor rally > in > the ninth to win 10-6. Player of the game: Penn's Gary Johnson. 3-5, 2B, HR, 3R, 3RBI. Most > notable names are former big leaguers Butch Hobson (Nashua Manager) and Rick Wise (pitching > coach). If we end up watching a baseball game in Atlantic City, we'll be seeing the Pride again > as > they make a trip south. > Thanks for the cards and company, guys! > -- > Spike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 17:29:48 EDT Subject: FORE! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com While the British Open was being played overseas and the BC Open was being played in New York, three of our own headed out to the links for the first (hopefully annual) OBC Granite State Golf and Baseball Biathalon yesterday. Sean McGowan, Spike Glidden and yours truly were the pioneer participants in this unique event, a combination of playing 18 holes of golf and watching nine innings of a professional baseball game. Here is one man's recap... Spike and Sean arrived at my Na Hampsha home bright and early around 9:30. Both brought their dupes boxes but I wasn't able to find anything, which made me sort of relieved because I didn't have cardboard for them, either After tearing ourselves away from the tele, we headed to Windham Country Club in Windham, NH for 18 challenging holes of golf. Sean has golf shoes "older than I am" and Spike came prepared with his training video in his golf bag! Weather was a perfect 10: sunny, low 80 temps and light, swirling winds. Sean was rolling along at even par until a shattered sand rake injured his pinky finger. The injury definitely affected his game, but he still managed to hole the putt of the day at the 18th, making a looooong putt for a par! After the round, we did our best impression of Three Hungry Men and headed to T-Bones in Hudson, NH for some good eats. The bread was warm, the beer was cold, and the entree was delicious. From there, we headed to "Historic" Holman Stadium in Nashua, NH for an Atlantic League contest between the Nashua Pride and the Pennsylvania Road Warriors. There, we met up with Bob Donaldson and took in the game. Holman is surrounded by pine trees, so every time I saw a ball fouled off all I could think of were the golf balls taking the same treeward flights earlier in the day :-) The final score was 10-6 in favor of the Road Warriors, but the dizzy bat race was much closer. A notable rarity in the game: one Penn player swung at a two strike pitch that hit him (squarely, I might add). Instead of walking to first, he naturally had to walk to the dugout. Mama said there'd be days like this! Thanks to Sean, Spike and Bob for a great day. Hope we can do either (or both) again real soon! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 14:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 1st Annual Western Penn. OBC Get- together To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick This past Saturday Kent Montgomery hosted the first annual OBC get together in Pittsburgh. It was a great opportunity for some guys to meet their first OBC'ers and some of us had the chance to meet our neighbors for the first time. We had 6 attendees, our host Kent Montgomery, Pittsburgher Jeff Sinclair, Eastern Penna. members Richard Kimball and Matt Heilenman, from Maryland Peter Mead and myself. 5 of us were to meet at a mall show that was advertised in Buckett as a 30 dealer show. Right. There was a total of 1 and one half dealers. Neither of them seemed interested in selling anything. One of them wasn't even interested in getting his few vintage cards out for us to look at. He must have been too busy. Right. Then it was on to Kent abode for some good old OBC cardboard tossing. The big winner of the day, as Cap stated in an earlier posting, was his son Adam. Adam was "given" and 3200 count monster box of UV cards from Fug! He said something about trying to improve gas mileage on the trip home. That will definately help! Adam's memorable day continued that evening at the Wild Things Baseball game where he was chosen to go onto the field for a hitting contest. Small bats and water balloons. No contest! All Star Adam rocked the house down by hittin every water balloon thrown his way except the last one, which was thrown quickly to get under the time limit. He crushed every balloon! He did great! BUT HE LOST TO A GIRL!!! She hit about half of the balloons. We harrassed to guy running the contest and he said something about us rooting against the girl. Poor Adam got robbed! But he did get 3000 pieces of cardboard! Part way through the baseball game, when the sun went down, it started to get chilly and we all decided to say our goodbye's and go homeward bound. It was a great OBC event. I really enjoyed the entire day. I want to thank Kent and Pam for the hospitality and the great food. I hope we didn't make too big of a mess? It was good to meet Peter, who had to leave after the mall show and didn't get in on the cardboard tossing, Cap, Fug, Mattman and Kent. All great guys! Can't wait until next years event! Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= Date: 21 Jul 2003 22:37:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Prewar set finished From: "obcjohn@knology.net" It's not often you get to cross a set off the prewar list but last night I picked up the Carl Hubbell on Ebay to close out the 1936 S&S Game Card set. Now does anybody have the last 3 Delongs I need? ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 23:40:34 GMT To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: the pitts obc gathering From: kimballrw@juno.com hello group, this past sat was the first anual pitts obc get together,hosted by kent montgomery and his wife cause im sure kent didnt cook all that food and desert for us huh kent? the day started out as any other weekend,two sleepy cardahoulics meeting up in front of groud zero,or my front porch as my wife likes to call that slab of concrete-5:30 or more like 6:00 when we get it together and start blowing up the pike-270.6 miles to go-5 hrs and 16 mins says mapquest(ha ha we say).cruise set on 75 and then it never fails-the early morning wee wee,25 miles into the trip. in for pee,breakfast for me i say-back on the road in 10 shakes,and we all remember the old saying.lots and lots and lots and lots of conversation(at least this hobby has lots to talk about),three tunnels,15 mountians,nothing to see but fog for miles and then 3 hours and 10 mins in another potty stop-were almost there!woo hoo! map says washington,10 miles-then there on the overpass is the welcome to washington pa sign "hello white trash" written in 69 topps white paint,guess were there ?! SIDE NOTE:IF YOU EVER GO TO KENTS,THE SIGN FOR HIS ROAD IS 4"x10"AND HIDDEN BEHIND A POLE. easy to find his house and warm welcomes and handshakes abound,finally i can 7th inning strech my legs.he hands us boxes with hits to our lists and we didnt even unload the boxes from the car.nice looking 59 phillies team card in there-cool. peters next to enter-hes enroute so we down to bus. with him,and he also hands us a few hits-some 72 topps hockey for me and those even had corners.sweet looking cards,printing press maybe?off to the mall show-ha!that sucked-dont ever make the trip to washington pa just to go to the "washington mall "show even if beckett says it has 30 dealers. to the food court we go to meet up with terry dietrick,again passing out even more hits and we still havent gotten to the trade session at kents. while back at the montgomerys the food was almost ready and we got down to giving that dining room table a weight test with about 50-60 thousand cards piled on top not to mention all the ones on the floor-wow what a diplay of obc willingness to try to help with hits as we all passed each others wantlist round and round-hits were flying back and forth as well as card stories and something about matt-man eating a horse?great food was abound and the desert was to kill for-gotta love butterscotch squares. the sinclair boys arived and back at we went with even more cards to wade threw-i did give away a 3200 ct box of newv dupes (and im sure matts car was greatfull for less weight) to the younger sinclair,and dont let him kid ya-hes got lots of teeth-we all saw them. we gathered our hits and what dupes were left and off to the wildthings game and when kent says he has tickets he ment to say "hey i got 3rd row box seats" for us to check out our first wild things game-very nice park and super easy to find-3300 seats so not crowded.sinclair jr did win and they gave the prize to the girl even thou we gave them a hard time. all great days come to an end and this one was no exception,we said our goodbyes and gave a firm handshake,till next time we meet up with the pitts area obc members- a tip of the hat is in order to kent and his wife for there fine hospitalities,terry,peter,jeff and jr for making this one of the most enjoyable trips matt-amn and i have made and we hope to see you guys in october for the big show. "the fugitive" The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 00:51:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: back from DL From: "alcattle" I made the Oregon trip over 4th of July with some pain but getting better. Went back to work and that Tuesday re-injured the leg muscle. In bed for a week, no Inet, no mail, no car. Not much off a vacation. Getting better, went back to work today. Caught up with the mail, not much to catch up with the M's. Got a couple packages out, more to work on. Have to update the wantlist and send thanks for the last month. Still hoping to get to Ft. Wash in a couple. Good to see everything is going normal, and I will be getting in shape to work the rest of the year. Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: help id this card Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 19:29:45 -0700 From: "terry ellis" its about inch by 3 inch. sugar daddy all stars kareem I cant find it . whats value? how many in set? thanks kit okamuro. I guess I id it . need priceetc ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Back in town - So Cal ball game?? Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 21:49:00 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I just rolled back into town and drove by the JetHawks game on the way up and saw the lights on. Any of you So Cal guys want to go to a game Thursday night against Rancho Cucamunga? Drop me a line if you want to... I have a ton of mail here to wade through, and it looks like my OBC brethren was pretty active in the mix! I guess I'll hit the Thanks server in a bit... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 07:22:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OBC NE: Lowell Spinners Aug 31 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew As a friend of mine says, "as soon as your vacation is over, immediately plan the next one." With that in mind, I'd like to suggest August 31st as a date to see the Lowell Spinners. It's a Sunday 5pm game and--most important--there are still tickets available for it online (a few dozen, anyway). It would be another excellent golf-and-game opportunity for those who swing the thin Please contact me if you're interested. We'll need to purchase tickets soon, I expect, or show up at the gate hoping for player and press tickets on the day of game. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 08:17:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pictures of the OBC golf-and-game day To: obc ramblings From: Matthew If you like pictures of guys golfing or sitting down, you're in for a treat! Here are a bunch of pictures from Sunday's OBC festivities. http://home1.nikonnet.com/servlet/com.arcsoft.LoginNew?com=arcsoftBanner&awp=index3.html&DIRECT=&USERNAME=steve_evans@excite.com&PASSWORD=nikoneditor_1625923390&WHO=memberguest If that doesn't work, go to www.nikonnet.com, and click the "Albums" button. Then log in using the following information: Login ID: steve_evans@excite.com Guest password: nikoneditor_1625923390 - Spike Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Email Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 19:00:53 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Just a quick note to everyone that I have a new email account; The old email will still work, at least until I switch jobs, but I'd prefer to use the newer one. Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:46:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Leaving for the National From: "kevin71058" Hi all, I will be leaving tomororw heading to the National. I know the National does not start to Thursday. So tomorrow I will do a little gambling so I have more money to spend on cards..well it could happen.. I will be returning home Saturday, so if I have any trades going, they will be on hold to Saturday. Looking forward to seeing a few Baseball players like Reggie, Harmon, Ernie..etc..and maybe a few OBCers Catch you all Saturday.. Happy Trading, ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:51:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Assorted rambling and a note to FOOT members From: "mikesportsfan" What a great OBC type day. First this morning read an item that HOF announcer Ernie Harwell is leading a walk on Sunday August 10 and the forst 1000 to sign up for this no cost walk, get an autographed T- Shirt and pin. This is the same day I am planning on going to Greenfield Village at the Henry Ford to see the World Series of Vintage BB. That evening, I am also getting together with a few friends to go see the Beach Boys at Pine Knob (nka DTE Music Theatre). Really looking forward to August 10. Spoke to Mark Talbot on the phone today and we planned to meet at a card show tomorrow where Mark's fav dealer, Harold, will be. He is the one I got the world's "ugliest" Bowman's from, that Steve "thanked" me for earlier today. Ron Perry also called and then E-mailed to confirm we have non- refundable tickets to the National for this weekend. So plans to see a HOFer, go to multiple card shows, talk with OBCers, arrange for atteendance at a World Series and a concert. Wish more days coould be like this. Less than 2 weeks after that is the re- scheduled visit to the hospital for the colonoscopy, so I will enjoy that day even more so. If anyone else wants to join me for the walk or the vintage game (admission to Greenfield Village is around $18.50 per person now), LMK. I may also be able to scrounge up more passes for the Beach Lastly, the week after that, August 16-17 is the Woodward Dream Cruise. For all the car buffs out there, this is the world's largest car cruise. Supposedly up to 1,000,000 will be there. I can lodge a couple of folks if they want to come to Motown for this. Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: National help!! Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 20:48:32 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I know that there has to be a 1966 #563 (Twins Rookies, BV $12) and a #591 (NL Rookies w/ Grant Jackson, BV $32) at the National. Would any kind soul like to put these on their search list? I will pay back any cost plus try to hit your list as well. Any volunteers?? Let me know! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:53:44 EDT Subject: Of all the gall... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... just a quick note before calling it a night. Just as I was about to go to bed last Friday evening, I got an intense pain in my right shoulder. As the night went on (sleepless), it got worse and by 5 am I was feeling nauseous and having a tought time breathing slowly/deeply. By the time 6 am rolled around, I had the wonderful onset of dry heaves and profuse sweating. I'm not the brightest bulb in the closet, but I figured I better call the nurse hotline to see what might be going on. They told me I needed to call 911, as they feared something might be going awry with my heart and I needed to get into the ER ASAP. Well, I asked if it was ok if a family friend took me, as we lack insurance and the idea of an ambulance bill didn't appeal to me, and they said that was ok, but they better be there in five minutes. Sure enough, five minutes later, they called again and reiterated that I needed to have 911 check me out, so I gave in and called. Within about 2 minutes, 911 was there (awesome response time!) and determined that I was not having heart problems (thank goodness) so I signed papers and sent them on their way. As they left, my friend was talking with my brother-in-law who is a clinical nurse practioner, and he still strongly suggested going into the ER. By then, it was about 10:00 and I decided that we'd go ahead and do that, as I was a hurting unit. Well, after arriving at the ER and getting hooked up to an IV, I described all my symptoms and they immediately thought I might have had a gallstone attack. Five x-rays and one long ultrasound session later, they confirmed that my gallbladder was chock full of gallstones and needed to be addressed immediately. They checked me in and by 5:00 I was on the operating table! Not exactly the way I'd planned on spending my weekend! Anyway, I was out of surgery, sans gall bladder, by 8:00 and have been recovering slow but steady. Today I was able to be up on my own and walking about well, so I got to come home. My dad drove down all night on Saturday night and has been a real help. My family will be back home in a couple days and everything should return to as normal as we get. Hope you all had a better weekend than that! :-) Take care, ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:52:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kurt Tourdot @ the National From: "David Skoglund" Kurt Tourdot will be at the National again this year with his OBC friendly inventory and attitude. He will be at booth #266. If you stop at his boot it is worth your while to mention that you are an OBC member (translation: DISCOUNT). ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:58:18 -0400 Subject: national -Atlantic City From: Bob Saxton How early on Saturday does the thing open? And where is it located? I may able to sneak over there for an hour before the wife's family reunion starts, but my only window of opportunity for getting there would be Sat. The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:05:46 EDT Subject: Re: national -Atlantic City To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:58:18, Bob Saxton <> As far as I can tell, the National opens at 11 AM to the general public, 10 AM for VIP's (we can sneak you in if you call us on Steve Rittenberg's cell (301)275-5106 and let us know you're at the entrance - wear your OBC hat if you have one, so it'll be easier to find you ). It's at the Atlantic City Convention Center. There should be signs on the Expressway that point the way. Hope to see you there, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 19:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Booklet update To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I'll recap for the benefit of our two new members... I have written a short history of the hobby based on my website (it's found on the OBC's "Links" page) in booklet form. It's not very long, but is in full color and looks very sharp (and the cover that has been designed by the typesetter is very nice). It will make a great addition to any hobbyist's reference shelf, and you can even look snooty at a card show by being able to say, "the guy that wrote this is a close personal friend...and he thinks your `game-used' cards are stupid." It's in the final stages and will be printed very soon, probably this week. My cost for the books is $4.34 apiece, so I'm asking $5 including P/H to anybody who wants one. I'll even autograph your copy if you request one. However, once you see my autograph, you'll wonder what the hell it says...but there is no way in the name of all that is good and decent that I'll allow some cardmaker to cut one up and make "limited-edition" chase cards. That would just be wrong. I don't have Paypal, so I'm doing this the old-fashioned way: snail mail. If you'd like one, go ahead and drop a five-spot to my address: Chris Stufflestreet 1803 Louvre Dr Jacksonville, FL 32221 If you'd like to surprise another OBCer, let me know. To make it interesting, I'll even return his $5 if he or she has already sent it. If you'd like mulitple copies, that can be arranged as well. I'm really happy to see this, because I still hope that one day I can walk into a Barnes & Noble or Books-a-Million and be able to take a book with my name off the shelf. Next step: a guide to collecting cards, told from the standpoint of somebody who remembers when we used to torture cards, including a chapter on flipping that stack of 1988 Topps that has found its way into EVERYBODY'S collection. Seriously. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 02:05:02 EDT Subject: Ramblings and requests.. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey guys, As you can all see, I am NOT at the National... To put a long month into a few lines, my best pal Winston the Sheltie started having seizures. We looked out of the woods, but then he stopped eating. I took him to the hospital and old age finally took its toll. Not easy to make that ultimate decision, but I know that Winston is flipping cards upstairs with the big guy now. Unbelieveable how hard that is. He's been with me through my divorce, my almost remarriage and throughout OBC. Not a bad 14 years we had together. So that is why I wasn't able to make the show. Now you guys who haven't been together better have at least as good a time as I had last year. And DON'T let Al have a map!!!! And deny that you know how to count if Earl is driving LOL... On the other front, I should have stuff to Steve R (basketball) and Ken M (your cards too) in the mail this weekend for the auction. A friend of mine collects Thurman Munson stuff. He'll be bidding no matter what is up there, but if anyone has anything Munson, he'll bid high! And if Kent is there, hang with him, he finds all the good deals! Enjoy, I can't wait to read the ramblings and Ken's multiple posts (look for the wizard hat)! ================= To: "obc" Subject: Ueckers'---- In the front row!!!!!!!! Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:42:07 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" I just got done watching today's Hall of Fame ceremonies. If anybody out there enjoyed Bob Ueckers speech today, you now know why I am so lucky to be living in Wisconsin and have been privileged to hear 33 years worth of Brewers broadcasts. Like Lombardi, Uecks' a real Wisconsin original and I am so lucky to tune in every day to the broadcasts. Just my take, on a great guy. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:58:43 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 815 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I didn't get a chance to hear Bob's speech, but I did read parts of it. Sounded like a great one! I thought I'd also contribute here - Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News was also inducted yesterday. The guy's a terrific writer who pulls no punches, & tells it like it is. I've been fortunate to grow up reading three Hall Of Fame writers from Dayton who have covered the Reds - Ritter Collett, Si Burick, & now Hal. It's kind of amazing that a non-MLB city has had three HOF writers .Every time I read what Aaron Boone said to Hal this spring (refusing to let Hal quit because he's now almost completely blind), it makes me respect what a good guy Aaron is too. In a message dated 7/28/2003 8:31:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 14:42:07 -0500 > From: "ken goetsch" > Subject: Ueckers'---- In the front row!!!!!!!! > I just got done watching today's Hall of Fame ceremonies. If anybody out > there enjoyed Bob Ueckers speech today, you now know why I am so lucky to be > living in Wisconsin and have been privileged to hear 33 years worth of > Brewers broadcasts. Like Lombardi, Uecks' a real Wisconsin original and I am so > lucky to tune in every day to the broadcasts. > Just my take, on a great guy. > Ken Goetsch ================= To: Subject: availables Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 11:36:15 -0700 From: "terry ellis" have some elvis cards from I think 78 and man from uncle cards lmk ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 13:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pittsburgh OBC Gathering To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks From: Matthew Heilenman This is a bit late , but here it is any way in abbrevaited from. LAst week the Fuge and me went on a trip to Pittsburgh for an OBC gathering. this is just a short thanks. Thanks first to Kent Montgomery for some great cards , great food , the Ball game, and great hospitality. I would also like to thank Jeff Sincalir , Terry Dietrick , Peter Mead and The Fuge for some great cards and a great time . I can't remember all the cards I got, it was alot though . I am looking forward to the next gathering at the Pittsburgh show in October. Sorry I can't remember who gave me what cards , but thanks again to all for a great time. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 21:57:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What's up with the new guy Pugsley? From: "pugsmail" Hi OBCers -- Just wanted to say thanks to Joe Isaac, Jim Hatch, and Geno Wagner for bringing me into the group. I'm looking forward to the OBC experience and to the "what comes around goes around" trading Right now I'm concentrating on 1960's Topps league leader cards and two Topps insert sets: 1964 Giants and 1968 Card Game. Any help with the ole wantlist is appreciated. John Pugsley http://johnpugsley.20m.com ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Ken Morganti East Coast tour Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:32:02 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Ken Morganti was seen everywhere in Atlantic City this past weekend. Who could miss him with that hat of his? He's probably in North Carolina reading this message and has informed me that he'll be making a rare appearance in the DC area next Saturday at my house, around 5pm. Dress is All local OBCers (especially Cerullo, Cook, Wubben, Mead, Cipra, Robinson, Kalina, Austin, Schott, Heilenman, Kimball) are strongly urged to come and meet Ken in person. 8x10 glossy photos will be available for signing by the legend himself. ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 17:32:38 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Re: eBay Item Shipped: #2742592475 (1953 Topps Satchell From: digdugdig@webtv.net From: "Lisa Mattson" To: "Doug Chamberlain" Subject: Re: eBay Item Shipped: #2742592475 (1953 Topps Satchell Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 12:33:07 -0700 From: Doug Chamberlain To: Lisa Mattson Subject: Re: eBay Item Shipped: #2742592475 (1953 Topps Satchell ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 22:06:28 EDT Subject: National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey Gang: Well, too much work and not enough fun drove Davey to Atlantic City this past weekend. The city needs some work but the National was quite an event. In addition to about 15 OBC'ers in attendance on Friday and Saturday (let's see: Bob Reed, Bob Pigeon, Ron Perry, Ed Schott, Mac Wubben, Matt Glidden, Steve Rittenberg, Kent Goto, Mike Rich, Ken Morganti, Richard Kimball, -- I totally missed Rob Fitts somehow! --and if I missed you I'm sorry.......) there were some good deals to be had. Had a lot of fun helping Ed Schott dumpster dive for a 72 mazeroski, which turned up sooned than all expected and also helping Ron Perry find some 55 bowmans at good guy Kurt Tourdot's table.....it was great fun meeting some guys for the first time and seeing a few others again, oh yeah! I missed the Saturday swap session due to some prior family engagements, but was there in spirit. I'll make the swap session the next time I hit Ft. Washington for sure.......I had saved up bucks since Xmas for this show and was hoping to get a '68 Topps 3-d for the Topps type card collection but it was not to be. "Settled" for a 68 Plaks checklist and 51 Connie Mack AS instead, plus almost killed the 55 Topps set and 68 to boot--forgot to buy #598--Jerry May (d'oh!) from '68 to kill that set but what the H. Picked up some other goodies from Topps as well, like a 68 Tips from Topps booklet and some 69 stamp albums. What a fab show! Even found a 66 Fleer Baseball Match/Don Drysdale type Well, I have once again re-prioritized following a major show and am going to concentrate almost solely on 50's and 60's Topps (regular issue and otherwise) from here on out, with a dose of regular size type T-Cards thrown in for diversity (essentially a "backs " collection). Watch this space for some waiver wire deals soon! Guys-great to see you all and look forward to the next ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:00:10 EDT Subject: Out of town.... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi folks... I'll be traveling with my family to my Dad's house today, where we'll spend the rest of this week. Gonna spend a few days trying to hook a fish or two, enjoying northern Minnesota and watching a couple Twins games on television, and catching up with my best boyhood friend who will also be up for a I sent out a bunch of packages in yesterday's mail... need to get caught up on thanks when I return. There have been many wonderful packages that have arrived in the past couple weeks. Thanks also to the folks who have sent kind words/thoughts about my surgery last week... feeling much, much better now. Take care and have a terrific week... ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:53:50 EDT Subject: Thank you's, the National, and combination of both To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: friar4@aol.com I realize that I was somewhat elusive at the National, but there was a good reason. After several months of intense job hunting combined with a feeble attempt to decide whether or not to "really" retire (with a happy ending), my wife and I really needed a vacation. Atlantic City would probably not have been my first choice, but it was easy and matched up with the National. Some of you know that I did make a brief appearance on Friday, but I owed it to Tricia (the Lady Friar) to spend most of the time with her. We just got home a couple of hours ago. I do owe some big thank you's though, and one apology. I ran into a bunch of the guys during that short window on Friday. I won't start to list them here because I know I will forget somebody, but I must have run into at least 10 OBCers, including the ever-present guy with the big hat. As soon as I walked in the door, at the very first table in the whole place, there was Steve Rittenberg hunched over the table and scavenging. When he saw me, he reached into something or other and handed me a couple of cards meant especially for me, an OBC version of the '52 Wes Westrum (ripped neatly into four quadrants and taped back together) and, drum roll on this one, a '54 Topps "Schoolboy" Rowe, cutting my '54 wantlist to only four cards. That was has been a long time coming, Steve - like about 49 years, so you can imagine how much it is appreciated. Four cards to go on the first set I ever tried to collect! Next, the apology. Poor Ed Schott comes up to me in the waiting line and asks if I can guess who he is. Never great under pressure, I say something like, "duh!" Then he says, "What if I tell you the city - Baltimore!" Now I am really feeling the heat. I think to myself, "I know, one syllable first name - Al!" Whoops. Wrong one syllable. When he told me who he was, I could have kicked myself. I have probably done more trades with Ed than anybody in the past year. Sorry buddy - as you could see on Friday, the olde Friar really is olde and those senior moments keep coming up more and more. My last thank you for today is for a couple of cards in the mail while I was gone. Tom Housley sent a '61 Bobby Gene Smith off of the waiver wire along with a minor league traveling companion. All in all, my National experience was positive, though short. I finished my '73 set with the purchase of a beautiful Schmidt/Cey rookie card, and I got to within one card of finishing my '59 Fleer Ted Williams set with the purchase of #63. Of course, the one remaining is the infamous #68, although I am still filling that hole with the counterfeit version provided by Steve R. a couple of years ago. I picked up a few more, but those were the hightlights. I also bought a bunch of dupes so I can try to catch up with a few guys. Hope that I have a chance to sort through those in the next few days. Again, sorry I wasn't more fully in the picture at the National. Maybe that adds to my mystique. Great to meet some guys I had never met before. Wish we had more time together. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:29:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New guy Pugsley adds 73 Topps Set From: "pugsmail" OBCers -- Thanks for the welcome e-mails. Several OBCers told me they needed more to aim at so I decided to add the 73 Topps set. I already had 42 cards from the set, mostly Mets. What better way to re-live my favorite season. John Pugsley http://johnpugsley.20m.com ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:40:38 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Florida Gators media guide From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, This is from my alma mater. Boy, have they gone downhill. By The Associated Press GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) - What a croc! A large crocodile - and not the school's namesake Alligator mascot - is featured on the cover of the University of Florida's 2003 football media guide. A photo of Florida coach Ron Zook leading the team onto the field is superimposed over the olive green crocodile. The words "Florida" and "2003 Football Guide" also appear on the front, but the word "Gators" is absent. Florida spokesman Steve McClain said he regrets the error. "We asked for an alligator, we paid for an alligator and unfortunately we did not get an alligator," McClain told The Associated Press late Tuesday in a telephone interview. "It's unfortunate, it's somewhat embarrassing obviously, but the bottom line is we thought we were getting an alligator." The school was looking for a certain "design element" for the cover, McClain said, but none of the school's stock photography matched what the media relations staff needed. The school sought outside help for a picture, employing a number of production companies to help with the search. After a picture was found, the error was unfortunately not caught before production, McClain said. American crocodiles have pointy snouts and are found mostly in mangroves where fresh and saltwater mix. They are a light, olive-green color. Alligators have broad snouts, live mainly in freshwater surroundings and are nearly black. They are found throughout Florida and vastly outnumber the state's stock of crocs. ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sean McGowan (the other one) news and National stuff To: obc ramblings From: Matthew OBC Sean's namesake a local hero, from the Portland Sea Dogs site: MCGOWAN WALK-OFF WINNER EARNS THE SEA DOGS A SPLIT Sean McGowan hit a two-run, walkoff home run in the bottom of the tenth inning to give the Portland Sea Dogs a 4-2 win in game two of a doubleheader Tuesday night at sold out Hadlock Field. Looks like McGowan, Jr. is in the Red Sox system now, easier to keep an eye on him up in Portland. Several National reports out there, no doubt, but might as well throw some butter on the bagel and get mine taken care of. My National trip started at 2pm on Thursday, as I departed Cambridge for the friendly confines of New Britain Stadium, home of the AA Twins affiliate New Britain Rock Cats. The drive down was quite nice, at barely over 90 minutes from door to park. New Britain is still a "like-new" facility and sits next to the high school stadium, which has its own rustic charm. I arrived between a day/night doubleheader, picked up my night game ticket ($10, front row), and walked around the high school field for a while. From a perch in the high school stands, you can see into New Britain stadium, a cheap seat for the fence jumper in all of us. After watching the grounds crew for a while, I drove out to get lunch and passed the local card shop. I stopped in to kill some time, an easy proposition given the large quantity of kid-friendly boxes stuffed with 80 and 90s junk in the back. I pulled four David Seguis and one Keith Hernandez #5, then paid the shop owner's wife $1 for the privilege. A couple of McBurgers later ($3), it's game time, which means another $3 for parking in the lot I had for free before lunch (doh!). The Rock Cats field decent Twins prospects, primarily the starting pitcher this night. Brent Shoening threw 8 innings of 2-hit ball, handing it over to the bullpen to finish the 6-0 shutout. The visiting Norwich Navigators never seriously threatened, and Shoening struck out several. Around the fifth inning, they said to check your programs for a stamp of the mascot Rocky on one of three different program ads. Surprise, my program and lineup card had two of them! The $3 program netted me a four-pack of tickets and a $50 jewelry store gift certificate. An OBC-quality deal for sure. Bob Reed joined me at the park right as the game ended, but we beat traffic as everyone else stayed for a fireworks show from behind center field. A quick drive back to his place for some list checking (several hits to my type and want lists, thanks Bob) and then to sleep, knowing we'd awake at 5am for the Friday morning drive to Atlantic City. We rolled away from Bob's house at 5:37am, bearing card boxes and a book of baseball facts. I drove, while Bob read me things like "Fathers and sons with the most total hits" (the Boones, I believe) and "Pitchers with the most batting strikeouts in a year" (Bob's own Dean Chance). We blazed by NYC around 7am and onto the open highway of I-80. Wait, I-80? Oops. We missed the turn to the Garden State Expressway, noting our mistake at the "Welcome to Pennsylvania!" sign. A quick trip to Wal-Mart netted an atlas ($10), some McBreakfast ($3), and Coke for the trip ($2.60). Reversing our field, we pulled into Atlantic City around noon, missing the opening bell by an hour but otherwise unfazed. The neighborhoods around the convention center aren't great, but we parked for free on a busy street and hoofed the three blocks to the show ($5 Naxcom ticket from Bob). At the entrance was Bill Henderson's table, an easy place to drop $20 for some 57 mid-series and 52 commons. Bill lives in Janesville, WI, the same town as two of my grandparents. After spending 15 minutes there, I moved along the rows of dealers, noting the smaller size relative to 2001 Cleveland (or did it just seem that way?). More vintage dealers than I expected, though. I ran into Ken (blinded by The Hat, naturally) and others at the best tables. Some wandering found Kurt Turdot's table and Ed Schott. We pawed through his boxes, then broke for lunch at the OBC table at one. More hits there (Kent Goto even brought an envelope with my name on it) and a bunch of names connected to faces. See the pictures to come for the full list. Hit about 10 different tables Friday and spent less than expected. Friday evening put Bob, Steve Rittenberg, and me at an Absecon diner for burgers and salads ($12), then retired to Steve's room for card swapping. Steve hit me a few times, then dealer scummed a few more. We watched the Expos score six runs off bad Braves pitching and defense, winning in the 9th on a wild pitch. Go 'xpos! Saturday morning, we checked out of the resplendent Super 8 ($84) and snagged some complimentary danishes for breakfast. A right-on-time entrance to the show (using Joe Isaac's $5 Naxcom ticket) sends me back to a few good tables and in search of new ones. I'd snagged about 35 hits on day one, but hadn't finished any sets. Saturday watched the 1954 Topps set go down, the last card a $9 Larry Doby from Indianapolis JD's table, along with several hits from his 10% box. A 50-cent box netted a 1969 OPC #5 LL, a 1962 Venezuelan LL (with Ford and others), more #5s, several trimmed 1953s, and a couple of 50s hits. Saturday lunch meant a return to the "Big Ass Sandwich" counter, where they charged $7.50 for ham and cheese on rye, but it literally came with a pound of ham. The sandwich guy called it the "George Foreman Special." Afternoon hunger was not a problem. Saturday evening, we collected in the Absecon Days Inn for the OBC swap. After some confusion over the room reservation, they installed us in the restaurant, with a privacy screen so others wouldn't have to witness our pizza-eating, card-swapping debauchery ($15 for room, pizza, and soda). Another bunch of hits here, including those from Mike Rich, Mac Wubben, Steve Rittenberg, Kent Goto, and Ed Schott. We closed up swap at 11pm, Bob and I readying ourselves for the four-hour drive back to CT. Several areas of road construction meant a day-time return was risky, especially given our plan to hit a 1pm game the next day. After rolling into town at 3am Sunday morning, Bob and I crashed for several hours of sleep. He mercifully allowed me to sleep until 10:30, even though I was on the rec room couch where his kids wanted video game access. A gentleman and a saint! Sunday noon meant driving to New Haven for a Ravens game, the Toronto affiliate in the same AA league as New Britain. They play at Yale Field, a contrast to New Britain in its history and layout. Tickets nice and cheap ($5 GA), especially when you can just sit in reserved anyway. My free scorecard shows the Ravens took a 2-0 lead, but squandered the game late on a rally by the Trenton Thunder, the Yankee affiliate. The most exciting part of the game was a between-innings promotion, where a fan got three chances to chip a golf ball close to a target. After a few missed swings, he came close with the first chip. His second chip, however, took off like a shot, whistling a few feet wide of the center fielder's head as he was playing catch. He snapped around and kept a good eye on the third chip, which fortunately threatened only the grass. I could see the headline: "Freak golf fatility at baseball game, center fielder mourned. Fan to seek PGA Tour After the game, I dropped Bob off at his house and headed home, another 90 minutes to Cambridge and the Mass Pike $1.75 toll. What a great weekend! Visited five states in four days, saw two games, thousands of cards, and almost 20 OBCers. Makes me want to do it again this weekend. Thanks for the hits guys and Bob especially for the lodgings! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:41:00 EDT Subject: Help! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I was cleaning out my aol mail and somewhere along the line, I lost the latest address book email! Please help this old senile man get cards out...Whoever the keeper of the list is now, please forward me a copy...Thanks! ================= To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com,OBC-wantlist@yahoogroups.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Glenn Codere's New Email Address!!!! Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 15:02:21 +0000 From: Glenn Codere After many months of fighting them off, I’ve finally had to give in to the deluge of spam emails which are coming into my email account on a daily basis. I really hate to admit defeat here, but I’m getting sick of having to delete out 50 to 60 messages about printer ink, mortgages, natural genital enlargement, prescription medicine, teenage girls who have read my profile and want me to check out their webcam, “You Are A Winner”, etc., etc., before I can even think about reading my genuine emails. I’ve really come to hate the scum that send this crap out. I wish there was some way to fire everything straight back at them in a way that would screw up their systems. Now THAT’S a piece of software I’d pay for!! Anyway, please go ahead and change my email address on your system to read: I’m going to be particularly careful not to put this address out there on the big bad world wide web. It’ll go out to relatives, friends and other acquaintances. My old email address will remain in operation for the moment, but I would hope to be able to close it down permanently at some point soon. My apologies if you receive this message more than once. I’m trying to cover all bases in getting notification of this change to everyone. You may be on more than one of my personal message groups. I’ll be re-subscribing to Mailing Lists (such as the Tigers List) using my new address over the course of the next week or so. SPECIAL NOTE FOR OBC ADMINS: Could the appropriate people please carry out the following for me: Replace my old email with the new one on the monthly Address List. Subscribe me to all Mailing Lists under my new address. Change my email address on the Web Page to glenncodere@yahoo.com (an alternatie that I use for outsiders) I know that this is a little bit of a hassle for everyone, but believe me it’s much worse for me!!!! Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 14:01:14 -0400 Subject: Canton, OH shows From: Bob Saxton I saw listings for two card shows in Canton, OH for this weekend. Can anyone tell me if these are worth driving a couple hours to check out? The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: new e-mail address Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 13:38:41 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" As of tomorrow, my email address will be: So, if you need to reach me, I'll be there. ================= To: , Subject: Little Trip to the In-Laws Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:20:44 -0500 From: "meyergray" My friends, My wife and I are leaving tomorrow after lunch for our summer vacation. Wewill be going to Greenville, SC for a couple of days (home of our alma mater, Furman University), and then we will be heading to Charlotte, NC for about a week to spend time with my wife's parents. Finally, we will stop by Ashville on our way home to visit my wife's best friend. Not much baseballis involved in this trip, but I am hoping that four or five rounds of golfare! I will not be able to access this email account once I leave, so if anyone wants or needs to reach me (especially if I am in your area), feel free to drop a line at taipan@teacher.com. I should be back home on the tenth of August. Be happy, John Scott Gray ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: address and other info Chnage To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Heilenman Hi All, just a quick note to everyone with my new address and email. My new email is mheilenman@comcast.net . I'm not sure who takes care of the email stuff anymore, but would like my OBC emails to go to this address . My new mailing address is: Matthew Heilenman 705 Christopher Drive Wyomissing, PA 19610 My old address will work for awhile yet . so don't worry if anything goes to my old address. It helps that it is my parents address. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 03:38:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: another with info change From: "rayluurs" While i usually dont care if another outbid me for those that follow the unwritten rule of not bid against one of us. i finally got around to stop ignore the pop up that said you signnane and ebay id should be the same so my new ebay id is obcray I know it original but if you can't beat them you join them :-)