================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 06:48:26 -0400 (EDT) To: alcattle@earthlink.net (AL Cummings) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... From: Originaleek@webtv.net All this talk about St Al's Taxi Service deepens my regret that I couldn't make it to V03. But hey I'm a Tiger fan & our mantra is "wait till next year". In defense of Al's navigational skills, during our tour of Chicago & it's surrounds, both Sal & I eventually got where we were supposed to be, alive and in one piece. Of course Al was never actually behind the wheel, so I'm not sure if he can navigate & aim that Corvair at the same time. I'm sure all will have a great time. Looking forward to the Ramblings to follow. Hey Mike, do you have a delivery service for those ribs? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:39:05 EDT Subject: V03: Note to those using Al's Taxi service To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, TPLY@aol.com From: topgolf@aol.com Note to those using Al's Taxi service: You may want to book your flight into either LAX or Cleveland. Odds are that Al will find either of those airports before he fins Las Vegas. Rest well, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,tigers@lists.ibl.org Subject: Baseball Gags Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:05:13 +0000 From: Glenn Codere For the Tigers List guys....In case you're wondering, there IS Tigers content here. Painful content, but content nonetheless.... Dad had promised to take his son to Fenway Park that Saturday, but found that all the tickets had sold out. So instead, he takes the lad to the cinema to see a nice new print of that old movie 'Quo Vadis'. Everything is going along fine until after an hour or so, the lad bursts out crying. The father asks the boy what's the matter. The lad explains that he is upset at seeing the lions eat all those people. In an attempt to placate the lad, the father explains that this is OK, because the people that the lions are eating are all Yankee fans. At this, the lad brightens up considerably. But after a few minutes, he starts crying again. "What's the matter now?" asks Dad. The little chap replies, "There are two lions over there doing nothing." Softball team captain Billy Bob and his brother Lester were talking one afternoon when Billy Bob tells Lester, "Ya know, I reckon I'm about ready for a weekend tournament. Only this year I'm gonna do it a little different. The last few years, I took your suggestions as to where to go. Three years ago you said to go to Bristol. I went to Bristol and Marie got pregnant. Then two years ago, you told me to go to the GrandSlam, and Marie got pregnant again. Last year you suggested Manchester and darned if Marie didn't get pregnant again." Lester asks Billy Bob, "So, what you gonna do this year that's different?" Billy Bob says, "This year I'm taking Marie with me." A young boy handed over $50 to the turnstile operator at the Detroit Tigers stadium one Saturday afternoon. Boy: "Two please." Turnstile operator: "Would that be pitchers or infielders sir?" ================= To: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:12:07 +0000 From: Glenn Codere Perhaps Mike could slather some of his famous rib sauce onto some old cardboard, stick it in a baggie, and send it off to those of us not privileged enough to make it along. GAME USED RIB CARDS!! Glasgow, Scotland ============================================================ From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: 2003/05/01 Thu AM 10:48:26 GMT To: alcattle@earthlink.net (AL Cummings) CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... All this talk about St Al's Taxi Service deepens my regret that I couldn't make it to V03. But hey I'm a Tiger fan & our mantra is "wait till next year". In defense of Al's navigational skills, during our tour of Chicago & it's surrounds, both Sal & I eventually got where we were supposed to be, alive and in one piece. Of course Al was never actually behind the wheel, so I'm not sure if he can navigate & aim that Corvair at the same time. I'm sure all will have a great time. Looking forward to the Ramblings to follow. Hey Mike, do you have a delivery service for those ribs? We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ============================================================ ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:17:55 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" I can see it now - a whole new collectible craze: Ribfest-used cards. Getyer favorite stars smeared with authentic BBQ sauce from V03 ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: Originaleek@webtv.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; tply@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... Perhaps Mike could slather some of his famous rib sauce onto some old cardboard, stick it in a baggie, and send it off to those of us not privilegedenough to make it along. GAME USED RIB CARDS!! Glasgow, Scotland From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: 2003/05/01 Thu AM 10:48:26 GMT To: alcattle@earthlink.net (AL Cummings) CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... All this talk about St Al's Taxi Service deepens my regret that I couldn't make it to V03. But hey I'm a Tiger fan & our mantra is "wait till next year". In defense of Al's navigational skills, during our tour of Chicago & it's surrounds, both Sal & I eventually got where we were supposed to be, alive and in one piece. Of course Al was never actually behind the wheel, so I'm not sure if he can navigate & aim that Corvair at the same time. I'm sure all will have a great time. Looking forward to the Ramblings to follow. Hey Mike, do you have a delivery service for those ribs? We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:40:15 EDT Subject: The Best of Rick Redpath, part 1... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... Like all of you, I'm immensely saddened by the loss of Rick. His gentle spirit and wry humor were only part of what made him so special. Like so many, I'm glad he is no longer suffering and believe strongly that one day we'll all get to be together again but for now he'll be missed. In his absence, like others, I'd like to share some of my favorite postings by Rick... the ones which exemplify who he was to me. Without further adeau, "The Best of Rick Redpath, Part 1 Before the Topps Vault, there was "The Tipton Mint": Subj: New From The Tipton Mint Date: Tuesday, November 2, 1999 7:40:55 AM From: rredpath@hotmail.com To: ramblings@obcnews.com 1953 Bowman Color Baseball - Limited Quantities - Handcrafted Details These limited edition Bowman Classics are sure to please the non-discriminating collector. The following numbers in this set are available for immediate shipment: 029 Roberto Avila, Indians 042 Tommy Brown, Cubs 072 Ted Gray, Tigers 086 Harry Simpson, Indians 094 Bob Addis, Cubs 098 Hector Rodriquez, White Sox 108 Bobby Adams, Reds 110 Bob Rush, Cubs 144 Warren Hacker, Cubs You won't need a magnifying glass or a microscope to see the scratches and scuff marks artfully applied by our meticulous craftsmen. And don't worry, to protect your investment all corners have been treated with our patented SoftWorn(tm) technology for that distinct Tipton look. Also, several cards have been hand-illustrated to enhance their appeal (110 with "Milwakee Braves" -- accurately anticipating a future trade, and 29 with the historically significant number "8"). Card number 29 has also been put through the "ripper"; for no additional charge you will get an authentic-looking, partially removed, card back, and this is the only card in the lot with this exclusive feature. Each of these pieces has been conservatively graded as "ANY" by our in-house grading experts. Send No Money Now. Satisfaction Guaranteed. Available Only From The Tipton ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 14:51:59 EDT Subject: Best of Rick Redpath, part 2... "The Delayed Gratification Index" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I can't claim to have found the original message but fortunately Yaz captured it in his reply. From mid-November 1999, "The Delayed Gratification Index": > Author's Note: This is pure rambling, and lots of it, so feel free to click > the snooze button... > You were once a boy, and you collected Baseball Cards. If you were lucky, > you stashed them all in a shoebox and you put the box away and your mother > never threw it out and 10 or 20 or 30 years later you opened up the box and > then -- The Joy! -- you were a kid again. This happy discovery probably > spurred you on to resume a quest you may not have even known you were > starting as a youngster; namely, to collect all the cards in the set. > A decades-long pursuit like this may not be unique in the history of > humankind, but it is certainly noteable, and meaningful, and deserving of > some recognition. Think about what it represents: a combination of almost > endless patience; a positive, optimistic, long-term view of life; a healthy > fiscal conservatism (i.e. cheapskate); and the chance to experience again > and again the joy of discovering a treasure that you need (or having someone > send one to you, or, even better, finding one for someone else!). > As you get close to the end of the quest, when you have only a few cards > left, you might even begin to feel a little doubt, or uncertainty, or fear. > "What will I do if I actually finish this set I've been working on for the > last 33 years?" "This is such a part of me I can't imagine not continuing > to do it!" It's kind of like the Red Sox; or, more accurately, the Red Sox > fans. What would happen if this team actually won the World Series? What > would we talk about, and complain about, and dream about, and commiserate > about, and write books and newspaper articles about? What would we become? > Okay, maybe it's not that bad, but you get the idea. So, perhaps you delay > the moment a bit, and inch closer and closer to your goal without actually > reaching it. You can linger in this time and space of delayed gratification > for days or weeks, months or even years. And now, and here's the point, > finally, of all this, you can easily describe this state with a simple > measurement: The Delayed Gratification Index, or DGI. It's actually two > numbers, separated by a hyphen. The first is just the number of years that > have passed since you started the set. So if it's a shoebox 1962 Topps set, > that would be 37, soon to be 38. And the second number is the percentage of > cards you need to complete the set: a whole number between 1 and 99. For > example, if you have just 12 cards left in the '62 set, and you started it > in 1962, your DGI is 37-2. Congratulations! > I thought about making the second part, the measurement of how close you > are, be a letter. But this has some drawbacks, as you probably wouldn't > want to go around proudly describing yourself as a 42A or a 36C. I also > realize that with a shoebox set the cards usually lie dormant for many > years, and you may only have been actively working on the set for the last > few years or so, but, hey, if you've kept the cards all this time you should > get credit for it. > If you are mathematically inclined (Help me out here, Sean) you might be > able to come up with a more accurate and weighted formula, maybe using > square roots and exponents, to better reflect how close you are to > completion based on the number of commons vs. star cards you need. For > example, if the "only" cards you have left are the Mantle, Ryan, Aaron, > Mays, Bench, Seaver, etc. etc., you're on pretty safe ground and your DGI > should be pretty low compared to someone who just needs 6 guys like Bob > Apodaca. But a simple formula is usually good enough, and definitely easier > in this case, so why complicate the matter. > Finally (I promise), this formula does not account for the so-called > "Rainsley's Paradox", whereby, when you are very close to the end, with each > card you acquire comes the discovery of two new variations that you didn't > know about. And thus you actually get farther away from, rather than closer > to, completion. We don't really have a way to measure this. So, for now, > you should just use the designation "RP" to indicate this tortuous and > torturous situation, and leave it at that. > I humbly submit my own number, although I would guess this is barely a blip > on the radar screen compared to some of yours. My set is 1968 Topps, DGI is > 31-1. Let's hear some others! > - Rick ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:40:08 -0400 (EDT) To: dodgergeo@elite.net (Geordie Calvert) Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: "Ramblings (OBC)" From: "Geordie Calvert" Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 07:17:55 -0700 Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at I can see it now - a whole new collectible craze: Ribfest-used cards. Getyer favorite stars smeared with authentic BBQ sauce from V03 ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: Originaleek@webtv.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; tply@aol.com Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... Perhaps Mike could slather some of his famous rib sauce onto some old cardboard, stick it in a baggie, and send it off to those of us not privilegedenough to make it along. GAME USED RIB CARDS!! Glasgow, Scotland From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: 2003/05/01 Thu AM 10:48:26 GMT To: alcattle@earthlink.net (AL Cummings) CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... All this talk about St Al's Taxi Service deepens my regret that I couldn't make it to V03. But hey I'm a Tiger fan & our mantra is "wait till next year". In defense of Al's navigational skills, during our tour of Chicago & it's surrounds, both Sal & I eventually got where we were supposed to be, alive and in one piece. Of course Al was never actually behind the wheel, so I'm not sure if he can navigate & aim that Corvair at the same time. I'm sure all will have a great time. Looking forward to the Ramblings to follow. Hey Mike, do you have a delivery service for those ribs? We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 23:09:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: V03: For those of you scoring at home... From: "alcattle" oh ye of little faith, I will be glad to match my driving skill with anyone. Chicago was one of the best cities I have ever been lost in. Ranks up there with Vancouver BC, which I still get lost in and I have been there 20 times. As for the Ribs and Sauce, The rule has been and always will be, You Must be present to eat. We will have extra security on site to enforce the rule due to terrible sauce threats. St Al, patron Saint of Vegas OBC --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Originaleek@w... wrote: > All this talk about St Al's Taxi Service deepens my regret that I > couldn't make it to V03. But hey I'm a Tiger fan & our mantra is "wait > till next year". In defense of Al's navigational skills, during our > of Chicago & it's surrounds, both Sal & I eventually got where we > supposed to be, alive and in one piece. Of course Al was never > behind the wheel, so I'm not sure if he can navigate & aim that > at the same time. > I'm sure all will have a great time. Looking forward to the Ramblings to > follow. Hey Mike, do you have a delivery service for those ribs? > We keep what we give away! > EEK ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:48:00 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs "The Bermuda Triangle of Taxi Services!" ================= Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 01:23:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas or Bust From: "alcattle" Hi Mike, I am ready to leave for V'03. I should be there on May 15th give or take 3 days. I will call every couple days or each time a cross a state border. I will be ok as the Explorer has a compass. As long as I don't go north and run into Canada, I will see you right on time, give or take a week. We have all the AAA maps so after we hit Phoenix, it is a straight shot to San Diego and LA. Turn left and we should find Las Vegas. I really hate the drive through Utah as they don't have any rest stops. You know how hard it is to hold it for 3 days. Don't let Rick eat my ribs and see you soon. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:35:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How 'Bout Them Tigers To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry May 1, 2003: Those pesky Baltimore Orioles swept a doubleheader against my Detroit Tigers this afternoon with a pitcher who didn't throw a pitch and against one who didn't allow a hit into the eight inning. B.J. Ryan (3-0) earned the first win without throwing a pitch after he picked off Omar Infante on first base when he relived Pat Hentgen with two outs in the seventh. Mike Maroth (0-7) allowed four of six earned runs in the eighth inning of the second game of the double header. I didn't see, or even listen to today's game on radio, but it did remind me of a game I did see 36 years(and one day)ago. April 30, 1967: Orioles Steve Barber and Stu Miller combine to pitch a no-hitter but lose 2–1 to the first-place Tigers in the first game of a doubleheader. Barber walks 10 in his eight 2/3 innings, but in the 9th two runs come in on a wild pitch and an error. Miller walks none. In his first start of the year, Barber held the Angels hitless for eight 1/3 The 1988 Orioles (1-23) are still the worst team of all time after 24 games. My 2003 Tigers (3-23) are catching up. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:21:01 -0700 (PDT) To: tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 From: digdugdig@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:48:00 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 Big Al's Cabs "The Bermuda Triangle of Taxi Services!" ================= Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 05:52:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vegas 03 From: "alcattle" Doug, you may be in OBC but not in NW OBC yet. You are coming along with your training but you can pick on Canuck or Coffe Boy for awhile. I have enough to keep up with the V'03 gang. I will meet you at the mall anyday. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, digdugdig@w... wrote: > Sorry guys and gals but I've been reading so much on this > rolling on the floor with laughter.... > If I ever think about trying to meet "Compass" Al...I'll pass on the > offer to meet him "half way"!! > And as far as the BBQ set goes...what...did the entire OBC > sneak into my house one night and take a looksee at my 38G Joe D.??? > Hey...he may not look too good but...he tastes great!! > All Vegas goers...have fun...looking forward to hearing about it...if Al > gets there!! > Doug > Big Al's Cabs > "The Bermuda Triangle of Taxi Services!" ================= Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 02:07:04 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 To: digdugdig@webtv.net, TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 5/2/2003 1:24:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: digdugdig@webtv.net To: tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 20:48:00 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 To: tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 22:21:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 00:07:46 -0700 Subject: Rick Redpath From: Peter Iversen I have been re-reading all the recent posts about Rick Redpath and felt the need to share a thought or two. I found that when I searched my archive for Rick Redpath e-mails that I had saved the same e-mail that Iggy sent us about Rick's 'three phases' of card collecting. I also found Rick's response to my announcement about finishing my 1964 Topps set: From: "Peter M Iversen" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A done deal... > I thought you should know - that thanks to the prodding of my good friend Rick Redpath - after he sent me one of the last 4 cards I needed for the 1964 set (Hank & Willie) - I have found one of the high#'s at a show - then I found the #433 Yankee Team on E-bay and then #571 Gene Conley on E-bay too...! So after 37 years (with a brief break between 1965 and 1989) I have FINISHED my 1964 Topps - boyhood - set!!! > The only problem is... I bought #433 second to the last and #571 last - but sellers on E-bay being what they are with their mailing habits - I received #571 second to the last and #433 last - so - for those of us who like to keep track of these things - which one was the LAST card for my set...? The one I BOUGHT last or the one I RECEIVED last....??? > Any input would be appreciated before I render my final decision... > Peter Rick replied privately to me...: >Peter, I found it. Page 23, third paragraph, section B, subtitled "Last Card For My Set", reads as follows: "For the purposes of determining which card shall be designated as the last card to complete a set, use the following guideline: The last card to complete a set shall be identified as the last card (hereafter referred to as "the final card" or "the last card") that is added to the set, which, being the last or final card (i.e. "the final card" or "the last card") added to the set shall receive the designation of: last card to complete the set." >It goes on, but I think this pretty succinctly captures the essence of the rule. Oh, yeah, there is the added bonus that anytime a Yankees Team card meets all the qualifications for being the last card to complete a well, then you get the distinct pleasure of using "Yankees" and "Last" in the same sentence! >Congratulations on your achievement. What will you do now?!? >Best wishes for the Holiday season, Peter. >- Rick Rick and I also shared a love for TIPTON cards and both of us have made representations at being an "Official Tipton Grading Service" - I sent him a couple of cards with elaborate 'Tipton' grades from "Guru's Pal and Associates" (they are attached for those who are interested in reading them) and Rick sent me similar missives about cards he was sending me - in fact I am sure I have one or two of those 1953 Bowman's that Rick talked about in the e-mail that Jim W. had saved and sent us. Finally, I received "Birthday Cards" from Rick for at least two and possibly three birthdays. When I received the 'cardboard cards' in February of 2002 (for my 49th Birthday) they were in a nice note card that had an American Flag on the cover - and if you looked closely you could see that the flag was made of baseballs (perhaps many of you received the same style note card from Rick...). I liked the card so after I removed the cardboard that was inside and stashed it in my binders I put the note card on display in my living room. The card ended up remaining in the living room a lot longer than I had planned - because when I heard of Rick's illness I kept it up to remind me to pray for Rick and his family. I took the card down and read it this week.: "Hi Peter and Happy Birthday. I found a few little treasures to help you celebrate - maybe that you are still in your 40's?! Okay, I promise, no age jokes. I promise. I did scrounge up one card with writing, one with puncture wounds and one with no visible flaws at all - sorry about that. As for poor Johnny Gee it is a shame but he doesn't seem to have ever appeared on a baseball card. I couldn't even find a photo of him anywhere so it's a good thing he once signed a ball! (Rick sent me a photo of the ball that Johnny Gee signed for my Van Lingle Mungo collection) Might make for an unusual addition to the song collection : ) " "Okay, Enjoy your day Peter and take care -Rick" If my memory serves - Rick enjoyed sending people in OBC "cards" on their birthday. I think of a "Birthday 'card'" now and I think of Lynn Miller and Rick Redpath. So I have decided to dedicate any future 'cards' I receive on or around my birthday to Rick Redpath. Maybe I will even take the time and effort that Lynn and Rick have taken in the past and send out a few 'Birthday cards' myself. We have heard it said that "I have received a true Tipton" and that "I have been 'Stan Hacked' or 'Don Hoaked' or whatever - well, in the future in my vocabulary any BIRTHDAY 'CARDS' will be referred to as follows - "I have been 'Redpathed' " Perhaps that is a bit sappy - but for me it will help me to preserve the memory of a fine person - a friend - someone who gave me great joy and was himself filled with the joy of life and the wonder of baseball and baseball card collecting. Perhaps we can all add the phrase "Redpathed" to the official/unofficial OBC Dictionary... Lastly, I send a prayer for peace out to Roberta, Ian, Casey - the entire Redpath family - and for all of us who had the privilege to know Rick Redpath and will miss all that he added to our lives. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: can anyone help this guy? Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 06:52:39 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Saw this on the rec.collecting.cards.discuss board and thought one of you guys might be able to help this guy's research. As part of a history class project, I am trying to learn all that I can on a card that I was given to research. This is, I have discovered, a gold-bordered card belonging to a set designated T42 (this one has a gray-headed thrush on it). If anyone knows anything at all about this set, and the larger history surrounding it, or any books on the subject, a heads-up would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Craig PS Does anyone know anything about Jefferson Burdick who, I am told, developed the classification system for organizing trade cards?>> He can be reached at craigc@sonic.net ================= Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:38:44 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs "We Go the Extra Mile!" ================= Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:35:15 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs (Margaret Driving) "WANT TO GET AWAY, YOU ARE NOW FREE TO MOVE ABOUT THE COUNTRY!" ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:48:46 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs "To Infinity and Beyond!" ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:48:39 -0700 (PDT) To: tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 From: digdugdig@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 02:48:46 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 Big Al's Cabs "To Infinity and Beyond!" ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 06:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 33 Goudey lot on eBay with Cuyler To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31722&item=2726767144&rd=1 4-card lot at $11.50 right now, includes HOFer Ki-Ki Cuyler and three commons. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 14:40:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Vegas 03 From: "rayluurs" I cant wait Where else can i go for vacation where i can get pick up by a famous taxi service and get to knock off 12 states i've never been to on the way to the hotel:-) ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:41:07 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs "Go the distance!" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone need a tater? Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:09:07 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I'm leaving for Boise, ID tonight, so I'll be out of touch unitl next weekend. Does anyone live close to Boise? They have a Cubs Single A team, but they don't start for a month - bummer... Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2725533681: 1962 Topps Baseball Green Tint Variation lot Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 13:04:25 PDT From: illini90@earthlink.net For all you crazy green-tinters out there, here's 28 of them!! Title of item: 1962 Topps Baseball Green Tint Variation lot Starts: Apr-26-03 14:17:36 PDT Ends: May-03-03 14:17:36 PDT Price: Currently $76.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2725533681 Item Description: Quality ex mint to near mint+ lot of 28 different. Includes #115, 119, 122, 124, 127 A's Pride, 128, 130, 131, 135 Babe Ruth, 146, 147 Kunkel Pitching, 148 Post, 150 Al Kaline, 153, 154, 160 Stuart, 161, 172, 174 Willey w/cap, 175 FHoward, 178, 179, 181, 184, 185 Sheldon Yankees, 188, 193, 195. Quality lot with deep rich color, lots of gloss thruout, most well centered and clean. All cards have much better deeper richer brighter color than the poor photo shows! Shipping is 4.00 with insurance optional. We accept direct bank transfers thru Paypal (no credit cards!), checks or money orders. We ship asap with bank transfers and money orders but please allow ten business days for in the bank with all checks. On Apr-28-03 at 17:58:52 PDT, seller added the following information: Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:32:00 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Big Al's Cabs "Ribfest Express?" ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:16:36 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick Redpath & NASA/ Re: Wagners...get your Honus Wagers! From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: , "Neal Thomas" From: "Rick Redpath" Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:38:50 -0400 Subject: Re: Wagners...get your Honus Wagers! From: "Neal Thomas" To: Subject: Re: Wagners...get your Honus Wagers! ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:29:45 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Fernando! / OBC-Ramblings Message #406 of 6272 From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Funny ebay item 62 Maris To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell This one struck me as really funny. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2727195329&category=2929 The 300 dollar starting price .... The description as being perfectly preserved in mint And that private viewing is available, but only in groups of one or two.... Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Funny ebay item 62 Maris Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 18:49:43 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Actually, that's "perfectly persevered," which is even sillier. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Farrell To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 5:45 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Funny ebay item 62 Maris This one struck me as really funny. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2727195329&category2929 The 300 dollar starting price .... The description as being perfectly preserved in mint And that private viewing is available, but only in groups of one or two.... Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:24:36 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas RSVPs? To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com OK, by popular request...well, not popular request but at least by request from everyone's favorite taxi driver, here is my ever elusive wantlist. See you guys in less than 2 weeks. ================= Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 20:29:59 EDT Subject: VO3: The Update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com OK guys get your scorecards out and make the following changes: Brett Domue will be attending the Ribfest and other activities but will not play golf. Todd Knowles, previously listed as a twosome for the Ribfest will be a solo, and WILL play golf. Doug & Judy Smith will be arriving late on Friday and will most likely miss the Ribfest. The following comes from Ken Morganti, who will conduct the First ever Morganti Challenge on Saturday evening. Ken Writes: This is basically what we'll do - taken from somewhere on the PGA website: <> Since none of us have the money to throw around like the PGA (barring miraculous day at the tables), entry into the tournament is six cards per person. Anyone without an entry fee may seek help from a number of OBC'ers present. Unlike a regular skins tournament, each hole must be played out until you sink your putt (or up to the course's maximum stroke limit, whichever comes first.) Any local course rules take precedence (automatic 'hole in one', out of bounds, etc...) Before the match, each randomly drawn foursome splits up their entries into 3 groups using approximate book values or some other method (commons, minor stars, stars or 50's, 60's, 70's) depending on how each foursone wants to divide them. The first six (low end) cards are assigned to the first six holes, the middle six to the next six holes and six of the higher end cards to the last six holes. Any extra cards can be used in the event of a tie on the last hole, since we can't have a playoff after the 18th hole. The extra cards may also be given as prizes for the first hole in one, lowest overall score, or even as a booby prize. Each group can decide how to split them up before the game. TIE BREAKING PROCEDURE: If the last hole ends in a tie by two or more players, the card for that hole (and any carryover cards) will go to the winner of a flipping contest between all the tied players. There will be no strokes given regardless of any real or imagined physical, emotional, or mental handicap. If the sight of a windmill scares the heck out of you, it's probably better to stay away from the course That's all I have for now. If you think of something to add/subtract that'll make it more fun, feel free to edit. Can't wait to get away from here and meet up with everyone again. TTYS, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:19:51 EDT Subject: Fwd: sweet caporal flag pinback To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com To: wite3@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:12:43 -0400 Subject: sweet caporal flag pinback From: shadowmcearslbit@juno.com Can you tell me if you know of any collector that may be looking for sweet caporal flag pinbacks I have 46 in fair to good shape with a few near perfect. They were given to me by my Great Aunt who got them from her brother and had them in a glass frame. The couple that may look rusted to you in the picture aren't that is gold color paint from the back of the frame she kept them in. Thanks in advance for any help you may give me. Colleen Fitzsimmons ================= Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 16:45:20 EDT Subject: football availables - 1959, 1960 To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Celebrating finding a nice 1952 topps Feller at a flea market yesterday for $20 - so to show my appreciation to the cardboard gods, I will offer up a few for the fans of oldtime football: 1959 Topps Football 8 97 121 172 1960 Topps Football 19 37 39 100 105 117 ================= Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:57:08 EDT Subject: CUBS TIX MONDAY 5/5 To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com if there are any cubs or brewers fans out there who would like to join me for the game monday nite at 705 at wrigley, i have an extra ticket. so plmk ASAP or call me monday during the day at 773-348-7735. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: 5 May 2003 00:11:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay Phils Memorabilia From: "obcjohn@knology.net" For you Phillies fans there's a Shibe park seat bottom up for grabs as well as a Connie Mack autographed program on Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dllViewItem&item=2725886762&category=25147 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Rick Redpath Update Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:03:54 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" On Wednesday I attended a wake for Rick, where I saw Ken and Sean. It was done very nice. There was no casket, instead the funeral home was decorated with collages of various pictures of Rick and his family. Many pictures, as you might guess were BB related, including one of Rick and Ian in front of the Green Monster. However, I think the nicest picture was one of Rick and his daughter Casey, who was then about three, holding hands, walking on the beach from the back. The contrast of Rick, who's well over 6 feet tall holding the hand of a tiny three year old was touching. The receiving line had a table to one side that included spring training programs from this spring, the book "Red Sox Century" and an album with his 1968 Topps BB set (in very nice shape I might add!). I met Rick's parents, brother (spitting image), sister and sister-in-law all of whom were very nice. They had heard of OBC. I then met Roberta. She was doing well, and was very thankful for the fruit basket (which came on Tuesday) that we sent her. On Friday was the memorial service at the Winchester Unitarian Church which Ken Morganti and I attended. After some brief words from the minister, a number of Rick's friends and relatives gave readings, some of which were from the book "The Prophet". In between readings were short musical selections including a few from Enya. It was a nice service, however at the end of the service instead of readings, a few people (best friend, brother, neighbor, family friend, sister-in-law) gave talks about Rick, what type of person he was and what he meant to them. This part of the service was much more moving to me. By far, the most touching words delivered at the service came from Rick himself as his OBC bio was read. Also, some of the most humorous. After the service there was a light lunch where I had a chance to talk briefly to Roberta. She gave thanks to all the well wishes she's received from OBC. I just wish you all could see the expression on her face when she thanked me for forwarding Rick's OBC bio. It meant all the world to her to have that Bio in Rick's own words and I know it brought her a tremendous amount of comfort to have those words at this time. I'd like to especially thank John Collins for sending Rick's bio out to the group last week, after reading them I knew Roberta would want to see it. We could all take second mortgages on our houses and by the Hope Diamond and it would not have meant as much to her as that simple note. Good Job OBC! The fund set up for the Redpath's has been doing well. 23 people have contributed over $450. On Monday I sent Roberta Redpath a fruit/gift basket. I talked with Roberta's sister about the maid service and she thought that Roberta would be a little uncomfortable with it. Instead she suggested a gift certificate to Bread and Circus which is a very expensive specialty grocery store. I plan to do that this week with some of the money. I will then wait a week or so for stragglers and take the leftover money and make a donation in Rick's name to one of the charities which the Redpath's requested donations be made in lieu of flowers. I ask that anyone wishing to donate to the fund do so by end of next week. When I return from a business trip May 24th I will write the check to the appropriate charity. thanks Guys! thanks OBC!! ================= Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:28:52 -0500 To: _ramblings Subject: CoolPix 5/4 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: 2003 Phillies starters THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 19:32:55 -0700 Subject: Vegas '03 From: Peter Iversen Denice's response to Ken's MINIATURE GOLF EXTRAVAGANZA was "...I can't even read this! I got three lines into it and I don't want to go any further. I'll just play golf!!" My response is somewhat similar - We will play golf and then Ken can tell us how we did... Perhaps our attitude should be considered when you are making up the teams... Hey Mike - I hope the ribs are on the fire!! I will eat Joe's share this year too...!! The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: "OBC" Subject: OBC T-Shirt Update Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 15:17:34 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" Thanks for all your patience. I am in possesion of the white OBC T-Shirts. The grey OBC T-Shirts are somewhere between Hilliard Florida and Diego Garcia. I expect to have the grey shirts within two weeks. Just as soon as the grey shirts arrive I will begin to wrap and prepare all of the shirts for mailing to your address. The shirts REALLY look good! You will not be disappointed! ================= Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:35:32 -0400 To: marcpeter@juno.com (Peter Iversen), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas '03 From: tply@aol.com I read it and decided I better just skip the putt-putt and go help Margaret get ready for any of the crowd that might drop by after/before what ever Ken said! ================= Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 20:09:20 -0500 To: _ramblings Subject: [Fwd: OBC] From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...does anyone know this guy? Thanx...Rick Svetecz -------- Original Message -------- Subject: OBC Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 06:05:04 EDT From: Biggies@aol.com To: debrick@onemain.com Saw your listing on OBC and wondered if we could help each other. Here are my w/ns, email me w/ any interest. Thanks, Bob My wants/needs: 2003-1969 complete These are all Topps sets 1967 #’s (need) 585.587.590.592.593.594.597.598.600.601.602.603.606.607 ex++ to nmt 1966 #'s(need) 571.573-578.580.581.583-586.588.589.590.591-596.598 ex++ to nmt 1965 complete 1964 #'s(need) 1963 #’s(need) 320.321---329 331.332.333 .334 387.391.392---399.401.402. 403.407.411.412.414---420.425.429.431. ex++ to nmt 1962 #’s(need) 477—486. 489.490. 491-507.509-512.514—570.572.573.574.575.576.578—598. vg++ to ex++ 1961 #’s(I have) 1960 #’s(I have) 569. ex++ 1959 #’s(I have) 566. ex++ 1958 #s(I need) 1957 #’s(I need) 302.305. 306.307.309.312.313.316.318.319. 322.324.335.336.337.338.340.343.347.391.397.400. 407 ex++ 1956 #s I have 1955 complete 1954 #s (I need) (most cards ex+/nmt) 1976T: all the traded cards 1970T: 190.290..635.645. 1968T: 30.42.96.364.377.424.518 1966T: 582 1965T: 76.179.242.366.514.521.544.546.548.560. 1964T: 279.298.316.334.369.370 1957T: 8.51.54.96.169.232.236.239 1955B: 132 1954T: 53.77.110.140.188.240.242 ================= To: Subject: Obscure favor to ask Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:31:47 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" Are any members planning a trip to France in the next few weeks, or does anyone know someone who will be travelling there? If either of these scenarios are applicable, please let me know. I have a favor to ask. ================= Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:32:23 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] [Fwd: OBC] To: debrick@onemain.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com No but he emailed me too. I explained that he could expect very few EX cards from this group and he said he understood and was still interested in trading. - Doug ================= Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:00:11 EDT Subject: Whose attending this year? To: OBC_National-owner@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, Just a preliminary census to see who is attending this year. ================= Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:03:57 EDT Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Whose attending this year? To: OBC_National-owner@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com To: OBC_National-owner@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 22:00:11 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Whose attending this year? Hi! All, Just a preliminary census to see who is attending this year. ================= Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 19:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Whose attending this year? To: obc ramblings From: Matthew I plan to be there. Already working on my one-armed bandit technique. - Spike --- kwg0@aol.com wrote: > Hi! All, > Just a preliminary census to see who is attending this year. > Kent Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 05:45:34 -0400 (EDT) To: kwg0@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Whose attending this year? From: Originaleek@webtv.net I will be there. The tentative plan is to arrive early Thursday and stay thru Sunday. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:53:32 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Whose attending this year? To: KWG0@aol.com, OBC_National-owner@yahoogroups.com, From: Celenox@aol.com I plan on attending Rob Gioia ================= Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 08:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: eBay for Tuesday To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2727947865&category=636 26 1950-1954 Bowman cards, opens at $10. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: , Subject: Vegas Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 20:37:23 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Will get into Vegas Thursdays late morning. Should be at the Sahara by 12:30. A quick stop at the slots, an hour at the BJ table, and on to the poker room. Hopefully by early eveing I'll have a decent pile of chips. Anyone needing a ride to Mikes on Friday, Golf on Sat, or whatever is going on, I'll have a car. Normally leave on Monday, but will be leaving Sunday night this year. Guess I'm as ready as can be. Need the time off, work has been crazy. David K. 9 days and counting ================= Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 22:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Redpath Update To: From: Thanks for the update on Rick's family. I think I thought of him hundreds of times as I sat at Fenway this weekend. I pulled up his webpage again tonight, and I noticed that his family has set up a fund for Rick's kids. Can I make a suggestion that any money we raise goes to them? I made a donation to the Brain Tumor Society before I left town, but I think that the fund for his kids is much more important (and that is from someone who is involved in medical research and draws part of his salary from research money). I think OBCers contributing to Ian's and Casey's future, either individually and/or as a group, is at the heart of OBC. > On Wednesday I attended a wake for Rick, where I saw Ken and Sean. It > was done very nice. There was no casket, instead the funeral home was > decorated with collages of various pictures of Rick and his family. > Many pictures, as you might guess were BB related, including one of Rick > and Ian in front of the Green Monster. However, I think the nicest > picture was one of Rick and his daughter Casey, who was then about > three, holding hands, walking on the beach from the back. The contrast > of Rick, who's well over 6 feet tall holding the hand of a tiny three > year old was touching. The receiving line had a table to one side that > included spring training programs from this spring, the book "Red Sox > Century" and an album with his 1968 Topps BB set (in very nice shape I > might add!). > I met Rick's parents, brother (spitting image), sister and sister-in-law > all of whom were very nice. They had heard of OBC. I then met Roberta. > She was doing well, and was very thankful for the fruit basket (which > came on Tuesday) that we sent her. > On Friday was the memorial service at the Winchester Unitarian Church > which Ken Morganti and I attended. After some brief words from the > minister, a number of Rick's friends and relatives gave readings, some > of which were from the book "The Prophet". In between readings were > short musical selections including a few from Enya. It was a nice > service, however at the end of the service instead of readings, a few > people (best friend, brother, neighbor, family friend, sister-in-law) > gave talks about Rick, what type of person he was and what he meant to > them. This part of the service was much more moving to me. > By far, the most touching words delivered at the service came from Rick > himself as his OBC bio was read. Also, some of the most humorous. > After the service there was a light lunch where I had a chance to talk > briefly to Roberta. She gave thanks to all the well wishes she's > received from OBC. I just wish you all could see the expression on her > face when she thanked me for forwarding Rick's OBC bio. It meant all > the world to her to have that Bio in Rick's own words and I know it > brought her a tremendous amount of comfort to have those words at this > time. I'd like to especially thank John Collins for sending Rick's bio > out to the group last week, after reading them I knew Roberta would want > to see it. We could all take second mortgages on our houses and by the > Hope Diamond and it would not have meant as much to her as that simple > note. Good Job OBC! > The fund set up for the Redpath's has been doing well. 23 people have > contributed over $450. On Monday I sent Roberta Redpath a fruit/gift > basket. I talked with Roberta's sister about the maid service and she > thought that Roberta would be a little uncomfortable with it. Instead > she suggested a gift certificate to Bread and Circus which is a very > expensive specialty grocery store. I plan to do that this week with > some of the money. I will then wait a week or so for stragglers and > take the leftover money and make a donation in Rick's name to one of the > charities which the Redpath's requested donations be made in lieu of > flowers. I ask that anyone wishing to donate to the fund do so by end > of next week. When I return from a business trip May 24th I will write > the check to the appropriate charity. > thanks Guys! > thanks OBC!! > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: help !? Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 23:55:50 -0700 From: "John Collins" Can anyone answer this question: <> Thanks for any help, John Collins ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help !? Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 21:17:05 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Although Beckett gets bashed here on occasion, his Baseball Card Alphabetical Checklist is quite handy for questions like this. There are two cards listed for him: 1952 Parkhurst 1979 Wallin Diamond Greats 1952 was Rubeling's last pro season - he batted .266 for Ottawa. Parkhurstis a Canadian minor league issue, I only have one myself but I like it a lot. The 1979 card is a collector's issue. I haven't heard of it before so I have no idea how easy they are to find. At least you know what you are looking -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 11:55 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help !? Can anyone answer this question: <> Thanks for any help, John Collins Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Redpath Update Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 06:17:20 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Info on his fund is not on his old wantlist but rather http://users.rcn.com/rredpath/ Right now there is about over $325 left in the fun with some more donations coming via snail mail. I think your idea is great. I still think it would be nice to do something for Roberta and will probably spend about $100-150 for a gift certificate to Bread and Circus. I think the rest of the money coming in should go to the kids. -----Original Message----- From: nthomas@pol.net [mailto:nthomas@pol.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:35 PM To: bdonaldson@callisma.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Redpath Update Thanks for the update on Rick's family. I think I thought of him hundreds of times as I sat at Fenway this weekend. I pulled up his webpage again tonight, and I noticed that his family has set up a fund for Rick's kids. Can I make a suggestion that any money we raise goes to them? I made a donation to the Brain Tumor Society before I left town, but I think that the fund for his kids is much more important (and that is from someone who is involved in medical research and draws part of his salary from research money). I think OBCers contributing to Ian's and Casey's future, either individually and/or as a group, is at the heart of OBC. > On Wednesday I attended a wake for Rick, where I saw Ken and Sean. It > was done very nice. There was no casket, instead the funeral home was > decorated with collages of various pictures of Rick and his family. > Many pictures, as you might guess were BB related, including one of Rick > and Ian in front of the Green Monster. However, I think the nicest > picture was one of Rick and his daughter Casey, who was then about > three, holding hands, walking on the beach from the back. The contrast > of Rick, who's well over 6 feet tall holding the hand of a tiny three > year old was touching. The receiving line had a table to one side that > included spring training programs from this spring, the book "Red Sox > Century" and an album with his 1968 Topps BB set (in very nice shape I > might add!). > I met Rick's parents, brother (spitting image), sister and sister-in-law > all of whom were very nice. They had heard of OBC. I then met Roberta. > She was doing well, and was very thankful for the fruit basket (which > came on Tuesday) that we sent her. > On Friday was the memorial service at the Winchester Unitarian Church > which Ken Morganti and I attended. After some brief words from the > minister, a number of Rick's friends and relatives gave readings, some > of which were from the book "The Prophet". In between readings were > short musical selections including a few from Enya. It was a nice > service, however at the end of the service instead of readings, a few > people (best friend, brother, neighbor, family friend, sister-in-law) > gave talks about Rick, what type of person he was and what he meant to > them. This part of the service was much more moving to me. > By far, the most touching words delivered at the service came from Rick > himself as his OBC bio was read. Also, some of the most humorous. > After the service there was a light lunch where I had a chance to talk > briefly to Roberta. She gave thanks to all the well wishes she's > received from OBC. I just wish you all could see the expression on her > face when she thanked me for forwarding Rick's OBC bio. It meant all > the world to her to have that Bio in Rick's own words and I know it > brought her a tremendous amount of comfort to have those words at this > time. I'd like to especially thank John Collins for sending Rick's bio > out to the group last week, after reading them I knew Roberta would want > to see it. We could all take second mortgages on our houses and by the > Hope Diamond and it would not have meant as much to her as that simple > note. Good Job OBC! > The fund set up for the Redpath's has been doing well. 23 people have > contributed over $450. On Monday I sent Roberta Redpath a fruit/gift > basket. I talked with Roberta's sister about the maid service and she > thought that Roberta would be a little uncomfortable with it. Instead > she suggested a gift certificate to Bread and Circus which is a very > expensive specialty grocery store. I plan to do that this week with > some of the money. I will then wait a week or so for stragglers and > take the leftover money and make a donation in Rick's name to one of the > charities which the Redpath's requested donations be made in lieu of > flowers. I ask that anyone wishing to donate to the fund do so by end > of next week. When I return from a business trip May 24th I will write > the check to the appropriate charity. > thanks Guys! > thanks OBC!! > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Atlantic City Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 07:20:59 -0400 From: "GEORGE MOORE" I will arrive Thursday noon , leave Sunday AM. Staying at Holiday Inn. George Moore ================= Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 10:12:20 EDT Subject: Re: Rick Redpath Update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Wed, 7 May 2003 06:17:20 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" writes: <> I remember an auction being held for Kevin Lohse's kids to help set up a couple trust funds. Any interest in starting up the OBC auction machine again? (Doug?) I've got a couple cards to donate to the cause. Just a thought, Ken M ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rick Redpath Update Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:15:50 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I think an auction is a great idea, I'll start pulling cards myself. How would it work? 1. Everyone run their own auction and send the money in together. 2. Everyone send their cards to a central source 3. Everyone just send their scans into a central source, the auction would be run from 1 account that person would communicate to the OBCer who to send the cards too and when. How did you do it before? -----Original Message----- From: cardclctor@aol.com [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:12 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rick Redpath Update In a message dated Wed, 7 May 2003 06:17:20 -0400, "Bob Donaldson" writes: <> I remember an auction being held for Kevin Lohse's kids to help set up a couple trust funds. Any interest in starting up the OBC auction machine again? (Doug?) I've got a couple cards to donate to the cause. Just a Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: finally back to work Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 21:31:38 -0700 From: "terry ellis" finally . backto work after my stroke. got a obc dream job. I am in charge of a wherehouse of about 6,000,00 dollars of inventory, cards and sports memorabilia. I got 10,00 sq feet of boxes 5ft high, and have no idea whats inthem. now I cant exactly give them away , but trades will work I have big boxes of 73s and 67s if any one has a short list . send me it and well see what can be done. im suppose to be putting it on ebay. my sellers name is happjap. kit okamuro ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 01:15:27 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally back to work To: biglittledogs@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com What the Hell is this? ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 04:33:47 -0400 (EDT) To: tply@aol.com Subject: finally back to work From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: biglittledogs@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 01:15:27 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally back to work What the Hell is this? ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 05:47:14 -0400 Subject: old ballparks From: Bob Saxton Anyone interested in old ballparks, especially Pittsburgh, might be interested in this link. http://ballparks.itgo.com The gal that designed the cd might consider doing something similar for other cities as her company does work all over the country. http://www.Writing.Com/authors/judgeguy ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 06:37:38 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Name it & Claim it From: Originaleek@webtv.net Once again my Baseball dupes box has become infected with a Football card?!. There is nothing on the card to identify the year. So, available to the first person who can identify the year is a Post #106 Doug Atkins of the Chicago Bears. We keep what we give away! ================= To: , "terry ellis" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally back to work Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:36:26 -0700 From: "John Collins" I need '67 Topps #581 :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: terry ellis To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] finally back to work finally . backto work after my stroke. got a obc dream job. I am in charge of a wherehouse of about 6,000,00 dollars of inventory, cards and sports memorabilia. I got 10,00 sq feet of boxes 5ft high, and have no idea whats in them. now I cant exactly give them away , but trades will work I have big boxes of 73s and 67s if any one has a short list . send me it and well see what can be done. im suppose to be putting it on ebay. my sellers name ishappjap. kit okamuro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:37:11 -0400 (EDT) To: dan@iamdanaustin.com (Dan Austin) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Name it & Claim it From: Originaleek@webtv.net If Dan says it's 1962, then it must be! It's on it's way Dan. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:44:29 EDT Subject: A Vegas Contest To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Which one of the following logo's would you pick for "Big Al's Cabs" or suggest more, all responces welcome: 1. Big Al's Cabs "Ribfest Express?" 2. Big Al's Cabs "Go the distance!" 3. Big Al's Cabs "To Infinity and Beyond!" 4. Big Al's Cabs "Want To Get Away, You Are Now Free To Move About The Country!" 5. Big Al's Cabs "We Go the Extra Mile!" ================= Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 23:32:32 -0400 (EDT) To: tply@aol.com Subject: A Vegas Contest From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:44:29 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest Which one of the following logo's would you pick for "Big Al's Cabs" or suggest more, all responces welcome: 1. Big Al's Cabs "Ribfest Express?" 2. Big Al's Cabs "Go the distance!" 3. Big Al's Cabs "To Infinity and Beyond!" 4. Big Al's Cabs "Want To Get Away, You Are Now Free To Move About The Country!" 5. Big Al's Cabs "We Go the Extra Mile!" ================= To: Subject: Vegas Contest Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:44:23 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" How about: Big Al's Solar Powered Cabs (We can't afford all that gas) ================= Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com In a message dated 05/08/2003 7:45:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tply@aol.com > 5. Big Al's Cabs > "We Go the Extra Mile!" Should read "We Go the Extra 132 Miles" ================= Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:05:11 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest From: digdugdig@webtv.net To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 02:10:54 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest In a message dated 05/08/2003 7:45:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, tply@aol.com > 5. Big Al's Cabs > "We Go the Extra Mile!" Should read "We Go the Extra 132 Miles" ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:02:45 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" I like #5. Or, how about a write-in; "If you build it, he will come....eventually" ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest Which one of the following logo's would you pick for "Big Al's Cabs" or suggest more, all responces welcome: 1. Big Al's Cabs "Ribfest Express?" 2. Big Al's Cabs "Go the distance!" 3. Big Al's Cabs "To Infinity and Beyond!" 4. Big Al's Cabs "Want To Get Away, You Are Now Free To Move About The Country!" 5. Big Al's Cabs "We Go the Extra Mile!" Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Wild Ride Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 10:11:28 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Congrats out to Jim Wiehe's Minnesota Wild on eliminating my Canucks...they just plain out-hustled us and were deserving victors. And this should have been OUR year, with the Wings, Avalanche, and Dallas already out. Should have been a stroll into the finals. Just wait 'til next year. Jim and I had a bit of a side bet on the outcome....I'm preparing the package as we speak, Jim. ================= To: Subject: available Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:24:20 -0700 From: "terry ellis" 62 bell brand drysdale available lmk kit okamuro ================= To: Subject: back to work Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:39:51 -0700 From: "terry ellis" I spoke up too soon I have to get it on inventory on pc before I can do anything. basketball cards we arent going to inventory theres just not that much. ill keep everyones list and send out when inventory is done, which may take months. I do know there arent high numbers, and I find different things every day. we specialize in autos like movie stars, musicans, athletes, yesterday I found a letter written to ted kennedy from marilyn monroe, I wonder if jfk was jealous. will be more active in future kit okamuro ================= Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:28:43 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 5/8/2003 10:45:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: tply@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:44:29 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A Vegas Contest ================= Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:42:03 EDT Subject: Re: A Vegas Contest To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Here's my Top Ten list, not necessarily in any order... Big Al's Cabs Coming soon to a city NEAR you. Big Al's Cabs Enjoy the scenery. Big Al's Cabs We don't need no stinkin' directions. Big Al's Cabs The short name in long rides. Big Al's Cabs Worth every penny. Big Al's Cabs Redefining the word 'lost'. Big Al's Cabs The Force will guide us... always. Big Al's Cabs Taking you places... eventually. Big Al's Cabs A mile in our shoes is at least thirty or forty yards for someone else. Big Al's Cabs It still beats walking. Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 02:51:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A visit to a store From: "mikesportsfan" I was about 45 minutes from my house today, when I saw a card store, that I do not recall going to before. I quickly looped back around and went in. They carried cards, comics, etc. Many of the cards had been priced with a sticker gun, that showed when they had been priced. Some were last priced in 1993! This probably gives you an idea as to their pricing. Overpriced! I know the prices were as old as 10 years, but they were at FULL book (at least at that time). A few had sale stickers on them. I looked through a number of boxes and their showcases. I had them price 3 cards. A 1969 Royals Rookies tougher "q" variation in rough shape, a 1953 Glendale Tiger Souchock, with a dozen creases and a 1951 Bowman BB #2 Berra (well we think it is Berra - it is in such bad shape). He pulls out the Big Annual Buckett. Notifies me I have the rare variation and it goes for $25, but I can have it for $5. I am figuring in that shape it is a 10% card. He cannot find the Glendale in the book. Mainly because he looked under Glendale and not Tigers. I love ignorant dealers who also overprice their stuff. He tells me they are very expensive (duh). He does not price the other 2 individually and says I can have all 3 for $35. I explain I am most interested in the Glendale. He says $5. I pay him for the Glendale. He shows me in the Buckett, that poor-fair-good cards go for 10-15% of high column. I say that is nice, but I do not pay that. He then tells me I can have the Berra for $10. Now for 3 -4% of book, I figure I should get it, no matter how bad it is. He then says I can have the Royals rookie for another $2. I figure, fine. So I spent $17 after his initial quote of $35 for the 3. Based upon condition, I really did not get a great bargain, but a fair price in my mind. He had a few other items of interest, but they were pre-priced and ridicuously priced. He had some 1951 Johnston Cookies for $13-18 each. Nice, but not mint, shape. He had some 1985 7/11? Detroit Tiger plastic cups. I have a couple but woudl like to get the rest. I pay maybe $1 each. He wanted $4 each for commons. Had some of the Dell team albums from 1971. Priced from $17 on up. Good stuff I do not often see, but come on. I will let them sit in his showcases for another 10 years. At least I got my 5th Glendale. Only 23 more to go. ================= Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 15:15:53 EDT Subject: GREAT EBAY ITEM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Hi All , To all who need the 55 Bowman banks here is a very good one for a decent price 4 hours left though http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2728443262& ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Great Internet sale - Lots of Jay Publishing photos Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 20:22:52 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Didn’t someone recently post that they were looking for Jay Publishing photos? If so, check out this sale by Sims Classic Sports that our good friend Mr Rittenberg put me on to. http://www.cndscf.com/store/ I’ve just picked up 15 Jay Publishing Tigers (To those in FOOT – there’s still a few left!). The commons are $3, with semistars and stars ranging from $4 up. I also knocked another ‘72hi# off for 99c, and got a ’75 Kelloggs Ron Leflore for the same price. No Bobby Thomson, though. Rats. Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:44:41 EDT Subject: V03 , making a list, checking it twice To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com With V03 a week away, I need for you all to confirm the following information. For the ribfest on Fri evening I have the following: Rick Ellison 5 Joel Glickman 1 Al Cummings 2 George Hay 2 Ken Morganti 1 David Kolenda 1 Todd Knowles 1 Peter Iversen 2 Josh Levine 1 Geno Wagner 1 Geordie Calvert 1 Doug Smith 0 ( Doug and Judy will arrive late Fri) Ray Luurs 1 Steve Rittenberg1 Brett Domue 1 Mike Hair 3 Dave Trimble 1 Kit Okamuro 1 (Kit I have not heard back from you) For the Excuse Breakfast and Golf, I have the following. Green fees will be $40. Those not playing golf are welcome to come to the Excuse Breakfast. As an added incentive, any player bringing a non player to breakfast will get his meal free. (that is if he can persuade the non player to pick up the tab). Please confirm the golf ASAP as I will need to get some local fillers if someone cancels. Rick Ellison 1 George Hay 1 Ken Morganti 1 David Kolenda 1 Todd Knowles 1 Geno Wagner 1 Geordie Calvert 1 Doug Smith 1 Ray Luurs 1 Steve Rittenberg 1 Mike Hair 1 Dave Trimble 1 If I have left someone out, please let me know there is still plenty of time to make plans to attend. If anyone sees Al, I believe he left yesterday, relay the information to him. Peter, your ribs will go on the fire tomorrow. See you all in a few days! Rest well, ================= Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:25:02 EDT Subject: V03 weather report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com This will be the 8th Vegas eVent , and every year we have had great weather. I have been a bit concerned for this year's festivities as we have had some less than normal temperatures and a very persistent and irritating wind. I am happy to report, however, that the V03 weather team has arranged for some great weather. The forecast calls for a high of 91 and a low of 63. No doubt the Glickman misters will be in full operation! 5 more days til the fun Rest well, ================= Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 11:18:27 EDT Subject: V03, the Morganti Challenge To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Your Saturday evening cruise director, Ken Morganti, has asked for a head count for the Very First Annual Morganti Challenge to be contested on Saturday, May 17. Let either Ken or myself know if you would like for us to count your head. Rest well, ================= To: "obc" Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 10:32:42 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Mike- I have 2 turntables at my place in Watertown, just a short 45 minute drive from Milwaukee. Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: wierzbickim ; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks Is that the one sung by former Tigers pitcher Bill Slayback? Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: wierzbickim [mailto:wierzbickim@ameritech.net] Sent: 11 May 2003 16:11 To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks Hi, Everyone! Thanks this week go out to BRIAN LINDHOLME, who sent a 45 rpm record called, "Move Over Babe, Here Comes Henry." I am still looking for a way to play it (not too many turntables around any more), but I am sure it will be entertaining. Any Aaron fans out there--I will see if I can make audiotapesand spread them around. Thanks, Brian! Mike W To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:22:08 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03, the Morganti Challenge To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I will be there...less than a week away!!! Yippeee! ================= To: Subject: 1955 Bowmans--Trimmed Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 22:12:59 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, All! I was at a local shop yesterday and found a stack of about 100 1955 Bowmans--trimmed in the shape of the TV screen. The dealer asked $35 for them (about 35 cents each). I offered $10 (10 cents apiece), but was turned down. What is the going rate these days forTV-shaped Bowmans? I couldnt find it in Mike W ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 07:10:11 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A Big Al Sighting? From: Originaleek@webtv.net Just got back into town from a short trip to Baltimore. Almost missed my flight due to a lengthy backup at one of the exits to BWI. Some guy apparently missed his exit and was trying to back up on the freeway. As we drove by I swore I saw Big Al in a Ford SUV waving a Cal Ripken rookie card under the nose of the cop who stopped him. I'm sure it was him because of the bumper stickers. One said "I may be lost, but I'm making good time" and the other "Ride with me and get your picture on a milk carton". We keep what we give away! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking for some cards. Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:35:28 -0400 From: "Bob Reed" This weekend I'll be adding one more minor league park to my list. I'll be attending the AA New Haven Ravens game on Sunday versus the Akron Aeros along with the kids from the little league team that I coach. They will be able to go down on the field and line up at their position along with the Raven player during the National Anthem. I'd like to get some cards of former players that the kids can get signed. The managers of the two teams are Brad Komminsk and Marty Pevey. I know Komminsk appeared on some Topps cards but I'm not sure about Peavy (he played 13 games for Montreal in 1989). Also, the Ravens pitching coach is Dane Johnson who pitched 3 years in the mid-90's. I couldn't find a list of the Aeros coaches anywhere. If anybody has any extra cards of Komminsk, Peavy, and Johnson they'd like to send over I'd appreciate it. Maybe Steve R or somebody else can provide a player checklist for me. Bob Reed 721 Seventh Ridge Road Wallingford, CT 06492 MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 13:19:39 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some cards. To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com bob: here is the list i have: dane johnson fleer update 1994 #28 marty pevey topps 1990 #137 topps debut '89 1990 #98 topps tiffany 1990 #137 upper deck 1990 #628 line drive AAA 1991 #513 brad komminsk 1984: donruss #36, fleer update #63 1985: donruss #321, fleer #331, topps and topps tiffany #292 1986: fleer #520, topps and topps tiffany #698 1988: donruss #583 1989: fleer update #28 1990: donruss #350, fleer #496, leaf #303, score #496, score rookie/traded #53T, topps and topps tiffany #476, topps traded and topps traded tiffany #53T, upper deck #428 1991: line drive AAA #540, score #259 1992: score #735 hope this helps. gm ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 10:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: OBC lots on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729170168&category=636 12 diff 52s, most with back damage. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2729098838&category=641 5 diff 40-41 Play Ball (4 HOF) Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Road Trip Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:47:37 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" My friend Ryan (a vegas '02 attendee) and I are going on a baseball road trip for memorial day weekend. Right now the plan is to go to Olympic stadium on friday (have to see it before the Expos move), Cooperstown on sat, Boston on monday, yankee stadium on monday. If anybody wants to meet up at a game or along the way, let me know. Room in the car for more people too. (side note to James M...Ryan is driving up from atlanta). If you want to meet at a game, let me know as soon as possible so I can buy the tickets...hopefully will purchase them in 24-48 hours. MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:13:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2003 Topps Heritage Variations?? From: "kevin71058" Hi all, I am trying to find our all the color variations in the 2003 Topps Heritage set. I checked out Beckett.com , but you need to be a member and I am not. Can some send me this list if they have it. ================= To: Subject: Big Al Sighting? Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 15:35:50 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I know there is a terrorism drill going on in Seattle, Chicago, and Vancouver right now. After looking at the carnage on the news from Seattle though, I wonder just how much of it was actually caused by Saint Al trying to get out of town....awfully coincidental if you ask me...and I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to hit both Vancouver AND Chicago on his way direct to Vegas. ================= To: Subject: 1967 Topps Variations Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 19:43:07 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" Does anyone have any info on the incomplete stat lines from the 1967 Topps set? # 374 Mel Queen Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) 402 Phillies RC Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) 427 Gomez Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) 447 Belinsky Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 16:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50s availables To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Some cards in search of a home, all G or less: 56T (all trimmed to size of 57s): 4 7 14 17 18 22 23 25 35 40 42 43 (let me know if you have back variation needs) 57T: 310 59T: 517 536 Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:36:29 EDT Subject: new email & wantlist address To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: amcook93@aol.com Oh keepers of the lists, please update my email address to typecard@aol.com and my wantlist address to http://members.aol.com/typecard/wantlist.html The variation checklist is now at http://members.aol.com/typecard/errors.html ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 08:32:46 EDT Subject: Beware "Paypal" scam To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: 5/13/03 5:35:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: "Services" To: Subject: Verification.com Date: Tue, 13 May 03 22:27:39 GMT ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hey Pirates fans!!! Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 12:53:43 +0000 From: Glenn Codere There are about 20 1966 East Hills Pirates on ebay at the moment, starting at a buck each. The seller is simsclassicsports. Auctions finish in 6 days. It looks like they're also auctioning the Jay Publishing photos that failed to sell in their recent "Super Sale". Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: 13 May 2003 08:11:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Beware Paypal scam To: , From: Roger Raum ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Beware "Paypal" scam Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 07:05:01 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Beware "Paypal" scam Date: 5/13/03 5:35:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: billing@paypal.com (Services) To: directorth@aol.com From: "Services" To: Subject: Verification.com Date: Tue, 13 May 03 22:27:39 GMT ================= To: Subject: 75 minis availables Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 06:50:11 -0700 From: "terry ellis" lmk kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:39:59 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: oopps From: "Kent Montgomery" I said ebay, I meant Paypal. Can you tell I just woke up?????=0D Kent Montgomery=0D ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:37:41 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: ebay scam From: "Kent Montgomery" Thanks everyone for the heads up on the ebay situation. It's nice to know we have a group that looks out for one another!=0D I'll alert my kids and anyone else I know who uses ebay. Thanks again.=0D Kent Montgomery=0D ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:19:30 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay scam To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Not to beat a dead horse, but that scam was the method by which my former credit card numbers were disseminated across the Internet and by which $6000 was charged to my card in a span of roughly 90 minutes. Fortunately I had fraud protection and it didn't end up costing me anything, but it was a real pain with both the bank and the credit companies. Be careful. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:33:12 EDT Subject: Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Here goes: With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, would you support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? Friendly discussion anyone? (note the "friendly" part) ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 13:39:16 -0700 From: "Bob Donaldson" My daughter is 8 months old. It is my intention that she be a major league bb player. Probably as a knuckballer. -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:33 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Here goes: With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, would you support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? Friendly discussion anyone? (note the "friendly" part) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:59:56 -0400 To: t206guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay scam From: tply@aol.com Same thing happened to me last year just after I returned from Vegas. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 16:58:42 -0400 To: t206guy@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam From: tply@aol.com More power to her! I am all for man or woman that have talent. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam To: obc ramblings From: Matthew The sports differ enough that I think it'd be harder for baseball than golf. Golf is individual and very much about mastering yourself. You don't immediately compete and react to your opponent(s) in the same way as baseball, which is more about understanding how the whole team will interact. Baseball also involves high-speed contact, which our culture seems to readily accept for men (top $ sports: football, baseball, basketball, hockey), but have less tolerance of for women (top $ sports: skating, gymnastics). You could say it's being "held down by The Man," but I think it'd be worse--much worse--than testing the color barrier. --- t206guy@aol.com wrote: > Here goes: > With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA > members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching > for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, would you > support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? > Friendly discussion anyone? > (note the "friendly" part) > T206guy Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 14:34:41 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Very reminiscent of "The Battle of the Sexes," when Billie Jean King beat Bobby Riggs in one of the greatest publicity stunts in sports. Hey, it worked for women's tennis, put them on the map. I think Anika SHOULD be allowed to play, just as soon as she goes through the same Q School and earns it like all the others have. My bet is she won't even make the cut. Here goes: With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, would you support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? Friendly discussion anyone? (note the "friendly" part) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:05:21 -0400 From: "John Collins" I'd have to say ditto with a few others and say that comparing baseball v. golf in the male-female competiton is a little bit different than apples and Baseball requires more pure physical strength than golf (especially think of positions of endurance like pitcher and catcher....) and has been mentioned before, relies more on direct opponent to opponent contact (you have to field this line drive that I hit...) than in golf. I do think that women playing as equals to men in the majors is a very unrealistic notion just based on the realitites of what I've said above, however..........that being said........I would be the last person to deny any female a chance at making a major league club and proving her equal worth. A la the spirit of Jackie Robinson, if there a brute broad (pleeeeez, do not imply any sexual-inferiority-discrimination, none intended) out there who can turn a quick double play, hit 500-foot home runs, or throw a 98 MPHoverhand heater, then sure, let her try out for the Yanks. Happy Tuesday, ----- Original Message ----- From: t206guy@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 4:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Here goes: With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, wouldyou support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? Friendly discussion anyone? (note the "friendly" part) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:36:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com There are no sponsor exemptions in baseball...I think annika is good but she should have to go through the qualifying school and earn her pga card. If she can't cut it...then she can't play. If I were a lower place money winner on the pga tour, I would use some of my sponsor exemptions to play at the lpga events and probably make some decent money playing on the women's tour. The women would scream holy hell though. ================= To: Subject: Question re 67 variations Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 18:37:11 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" I have 402 with or without lines and stats at bottom, 374 with or without line under major league totals, 427 major league totals printed or not, and 447 1966 totals or none Basically the last line or so of type is missing or very faint. ================= To: Subject: T207 wantlist info needed Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:02:17 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Hi guys, In another of my many time-consuming schemes, I've embarked upon a plan to compile data on T207s, in order to determine more accurately the relative scarcity of the cards. I believe that a good number of cards usually calledcommon are much scarcer than the typical common. Also, some of the cards understood as relative scarcities are vastly tougher than others lumped intothe same category. It will benefit all of us who love the set to know these things more accurately. I will be delighted to share my data with any OBCer who's interested in it-- But for now I need your help: Send me a list of the T207s you currently have, or the ones you don't have -- whichever is easiest. If you have a store of duplicates, let me know which ones. I'll do the rest. If you have them checklisted by back, let me know that info as well. If not, don't worry about it. Tim Newcomb ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 20:34:23 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question re 67 variations To: vrechek@ameritech.net, toppsrun368@peoplepc.com From: typecard@aol.com Can anyone supply me 400 dpi scans at least 300 pixels wide of each of these variations? I'll post them on the variations checklist. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:20:29 -0700 From: "Mike Kinney" Being the father of four athletic females (that could give Anna Kournikova a run for her money), I say bring it on! If she makes the cut- good for her! If she doesn't- oh well. If a person has the talent, what diference does it make? Isn't that what Jackie Robinson was all about? My 2 cents... ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: t206guy@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam Here goes: With Sorenstam playing in a PGA golf tourney next week, a lot of the PGA members have come out in opposition to it. If this were Alta Weiss pitching for a MLB team as opposed to Sorenstam appearing in a golf tourney, wouldyou support it or be opposed to it? Is it the same issue? Friendly discussion anyone? (note the "friendly" part) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:30:44 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam To: kinneys7@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Tee it up and let it fly! ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:49:21 EDT Subject: Re: '67 topps variations To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com OK, here's the scoop: # 374 Mel Queen Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) No Line on back under major league totals 402 Phillies RC Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) incomplete line under Wilson's stats 427 Gomez Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) no major league totals 447 Belinsky Incomplete Stat Line (what stats are left out) 1966 totals missing Not all sources agree on all of these, by the way. As I research this stuff more and more, I notice a number of differences between the guides on various Also, if anybody knows where I can get a copy of Dick Gilkeson's Variations book, please lmk. ================= Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:51:50 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Alta Weiss and A. Sorenstam From: Carlos Alcazar I think this is a fair example of what most reasonable people would think. And I agree to a point, but I don't think its that simple. If she succeeds and proves she can play in the PGA then she proves the LPGA serves no real purpose, just like Jackie Robinson made the Negro Leagues obsolete when he prove black baseball players could play in the majors. However if she fails she only emphasizes that the LPGA is where she should have stayed. It seems like a no-win situation to me. Just my opinion. At 10:30 PM 5/13/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Tee it up and let it fly! ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 01:41:14 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anika From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, I can't help but love this...always had a soft spot for the underdog. Gonna be alotta pressure on her...that's what makes or breaks anyone in competition....part of the game. Physical talent will get you in the door but in the end it all comes down to heart and competitive spirit. How many of us pencilled in the Ducks and Wild on our NHL Western Conference Finals Pool!!!??? Gotta love it!!!....Go Anika!!! ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 07:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anika To: From: I have a different view of this. If she "earned" this spot, then I would wish her all the luck in the world. However, she did nothing to earn this spot. She has done well on the LPGA, but the rules (tee boxes) and competition are different than the PGA. Have her go through Q school, and struggle on the smaller tours for a while. Have her spend a few years on the buy.com tour, working on lengthening her irons and getting longer off the tee. Have her play against guys who are so hungry to get their PGA card that they practice day and night and sleep in their cars on the way to new tourneys. Then, if she can qualify like everone else who plays PGA events, then let her play any tournament she wants, and I would root for her to win, because she EARNED that chance. I played high school golf against a guy named Ted Tryba. Ted was the best golfer by far I have ever seen play live. He was on the tour for a bunch of years, and even won a few tournamemts. He lost his card three years ago, and is now struggling to get it back (and probably to make ends meet as well). I would think that Ted (who could probably beat Anika by 10 strokes), or the hundreds of men like him, would love that spot. The motivation behind her sponsor's exemption is money, pure and simple. Give one of your eight exemptions to the best woman golfer in the world, and the marketing value is unparalleled. Remember all, she didn't earn this spot. I think Vijay was right on. > Hi all, > I can't help but love this...always had a soft spot for the underdog. > Gonna be alotta pressure on her...that's what makes or breaks anyone in > competition....part of the game. > Physical talent will get you in the door but in the end it all comes > down to heart and competitive spirit. > How many of us pencilled in the Ducks and Wild on our NHL Western > Conference Finals Pool!!!??? > Gotta love it!!!....Go Anika!!! > Doug > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Let Her Play Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 06:55:36 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, All! The recent hubbub concerning Anika Sorestam reminds me of a situation that occurred in the professional chess world a few years back. There is a professional tour of international players (almost all men). There is also a professional women's tour, which has its own world champion, method for assigning the titles of International Grandmaster and International Master, andso A few years ago, several women players became strong enough that they choseto compete in the open ("men's") events. After squawking by some players and administrators, the controversy calmed down. Several of the women players have performed so well that they have earned the title of InternationalGrandmaster (the open title, not the women's title). This would place them in the top several hundred players in the world. Occasionally, one of them wins a major tournament, over strong male players. Occasionally, one ofthe women has been strong enough to compete in the cycle that determines the world champion (not just the women's champion), although no woman has yet qualified for higher than about the final 16 or so. There is no controversy today about women playing in the open events. Allowing them to play in open events has led to an improvement in their play and, cosequently, in the play of the women's tour in general. I expect that any controversy over this issue in golf would have the same fate. Mike W ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let Her Play To: From: You caught me as I was jut writing about this. The major differences are that this was on "open" event and those women "earned" the right to play. Much different than being given a spot over a better player who has earned the right to play, but is now sitting home becasue of her. > Hi, All! > The recent hubbub concerning Anika Sorestam reminds me of a situation > that occurred in the professional chess world a few years back. There > is a professional tour of international players (almost all men). There > is also a professional women's tour, which has its own world champion, > method for assigning the titles of International Grandmaster and > International Master, and so on. > A few years ago, several women players became strong enough that they > chose to compete in the open ("men's") events. After squawking by some > players and administrators, the controversy calmed down. Several of the > women players have performed so well that they have earned the title of > International Grandmaster (the open title, not the women's title). This > would place them in the top several hundred players in the world. > Occasionally, one of them wins a major tournament, over strong male > players. Occasionally, one of the women has been strong enough to > compete in the cycle that determines the world champion (not just the > women's champion), although no woman has yet qualified for higher than > about the final 16 or so. > There is no controversy today about women playing in the open events. > Allowing them to play in open events has led to an improvement in their > play and, cosequently, in the play of the women's tour in general. > I expect that any controversy over this issue in golf would have the > same fate. > Mike W ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:45:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A Vegas Contest From: "alcattle" Big Al's Cabs We get lost so you don't have too. St Al ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:44:57 -0400 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Don Mossi and Bill James From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Bill James just came out with his second edition of his historical baseball abstract, and it is a wonderful read, believe me. He even has a chapter on our old friend, Don Mossi. Older OBC members will recall that we had Mossi on a link for some of the more "ugly" baseball players, and that Mossi's granddaughter wrote to protest -- in language that was as ugly as, well, her grandfather. We took him off the site, I do believe. Mossi is a genial sort and has never taken offense to the jabs about his looks. He was a darned good reliever in the 1950s and a decent spot starter too. Here's some of what James writes about "The Man Who Invented Winning Ugly." "...He looked like Gary Gaetti escaping from Devil's Island. "One of the problems with choosing ugliest and handsomest players is that a player who looks little short of grotesque in one pose or one photograph will look fine in another. Susie (one of James' researchers) showed me a picture of Hoyt Wilhelm in which he looked positively handsome. I assured her it was just a bad shot. "You never have the problem with Don Mossi. Don Mossi was the complete, five-tool ugly player." And so on. James concludes that Mossi "was kind of a public service, the ugly man's hero." I still think the 1966 Mossi card is one of the best shots in baseball card history. I even have one of them autographed by you-know-who. Anyway, I thought it might bring back some memories for the older OBCers. In "Ball Four,'' Jim Bouton included Mossi in his all-ugly team along with Dan Napoleon, Yogi Berra and Andy Etchebarren. Anyway, have a look at the book. There is much more than just one chapter on a 1950s pitcher. ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:43:23 -0400 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Don Mossi and Bill James From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Bill James just came out with his second edition of his historical baseball abstract, and it is a wonderful read, believe me. He even has a chapter on our old friend, Don Mossi. Older OBC members will recall that we had Mossi on a link for some of the more "ugly" baseball players, and that Mossi's granddaughter wrote to protest -- in language that was as ugly as, well, her grandfather. We took him off the site, I do believe. Mossi is a genial sort and has never taken offense to the jabs about his looks. He was a darned good reliever in the 1950s and a decent spot starter too. Here's some of what James writes about "The Man Who Invented Winning Ugly." "...He looked like Gary Gaetti escaping from Devil's Island. "One of the problems with choosing ugliest and handsomest players is that a player who looks little short of grotesque in one pose or one photograph will look fine in another. Susie (one of James' researchers) showed me a picture of Hoyt Wilhelm in which he looked positively handsome. I assured her it was just a bad shot. "You never have the problem with Don Mossi. Don Mossi was the complete, five-tool ugly player." And so on. James concludes that Mossi "was kind of a public service, the ugly man's hero." I still think the 1966 Mossi card is one of the best shots in baseball card history. I even have one of them autographed by you-know-who. Anyway, I thought it might bring back some memories for the older OBCers. In "Ball Four,'' Jim Bouton included Mossi in his all-ugly team along with Dan Napoleon, Yogi Berra and Andy Etchebarren. Anyway, have a look at the book. There is much more than just one chapter on a 1950s pitcher. ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Don Mossi and Bill James To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin I second the motion. I have this book, and it is a great, great read. --- bdangelo@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, > Bill James just came out with his second edition > of his historical baseball abstract, and it is a > wonderful read, believe me. He even has a chapter on > our old friend, Don Mossi. > Older OBC members will recall that we had Mossi > on a link for some of the more "ugly" baseball > players, and that Mossi's granddaughter wrote to > protest -- in language that was as ugly as, well, > her grandfather. We took him off the site, I do > believe. > Mossi is a genial sort and has never taken > offense to the jabs about his looks. He was a darned > good reliever in the 1950s and a decent spot starter > too. Here's some of what James writes about "The Man > Who Invented Winning Ugly." > "...He looked like Gary Gaetti escaping from > Devil's Island. > "One of the problems with choosing ugliest and > handsomest players is that a player who looks little > short of grotesque in one pose or one photograph > will look fine in another. Susie (one of James' > researchers) showed me a picture of Hoyt Wilhelm in > which he looked positively handsome. I assured her > it was just a bad shot. > "You never have the problem with Don Mossi. Don > Mossi was the complete, five-tool ugly player." > And so on. James concludes that Mossi "was kind of a > public service, the ugly man's hero." > I still think the 1966 Mossi card is one of the > best shots in baseball card history. I even have one > of them autographed by you-know-who. > Anyway, I thought it might bring back some > memories for the older OBCers. In "Ball Four,'' Jim > Bouton included Mossi in his all-ugly team along > with Dan Napoleon, Yogi Berra and Andy Etchebarren. > Anyway, have a look at the book. There is much > more than just one chapter on a 1950s pitcher. > Bob Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 19:55:47 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Don Mossi and Bill James To: BDAngelo@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Thanks Bob! It did bring back some fond memories for the older OBCer! ================= To: "topgolf" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 , making a list, checking it twice Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 17:30:47 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Mike, slight change of plans for me. I'm back on the official 15 day disabled list. Golf is one item that is on the don't do list. I will stay make it to town on Thursday, and get back here in time to go in next Thursdayfor a minor tune up. See ya all tomorrow or Friday. Cell phone # 219614 ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 5:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 , making a list, checking it twice With V03 a week away, I need for you all to confirm the following information. For the ribfest on Fri evening I have the following: Rick Ellison 5 Joel Glickman 1 Al Cummings 2 George Hay 2 Ken Morganti 1 David Kolenda 1 Todd Knowles 1 Peter Iversen 2 Josh Levine 1 Geno Wagner 1 Geordie Calvert 1 Doug Smith 0 ( Doug and Judy will arrive late Fri) Ray Luurs 1 Steve Rittenberg1 Brett Domue 1 Mike Hair 3 Dave Trimble 1 Kit Okamuro 1 (Kit I have not heard back from you) For the Excuse Breakfast and Golf, I have the following. Green fees will be$40. Those not playing golf are welcome to come to the Excuse Breakfast. As an added incentive, any player bringing a non player to breakfast will get his meal free. (that is if he can persuade the non player to pick up the tab). Please confirm the golf ASAP as I will need to get some local fillersif someone cancels. Rick Ellison 1 George Hay 1 Ken Morganti 1 David Kolenda 1 Todd Knowles 1 Geno Wagner 1 Geordie Calvert 1 Doug Smith 1 Ray Luurs 1 Steve Rittenberg 1 Mike Hair 1 Dave Trimble 1 If I have left someone out, please let me know there is still plenty of time to make plans to attend. If anyone sees Al, I believe he left yesterday, relay the information to him. Peter, your ribs will go on the fire tomorrow. See you all in a few days! Rest well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 18:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cleveland visit To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick I will be in Cleveland this Friday night and Saturday, with my daughter. We are going to the Indians/A's game Friday night and was wondering if anyone else was planning on attending. We would love to have you join us. Also, are there any card shows in the area this weekend? Saturday it will be the R & R HOF, then back to western Pa. late Saturday. Terry Dietrick Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anika Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 20:28:58 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" > How many of us pencilled in the Ducks and Wild on our NHL Western > Conference Finals Pool!!!??? Grant did! ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:51:20 EDT Subject: Vegas 03 The Events Have Already Started! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com OBC - We havn't even gotten to Vegas yet (we arrive tomorrow morning) and I have already lost my traditional bet with Mike Hair! Mike and I talked on the phone today, I normally call before I leave and see what I can do to help with the events. While on the phone he asked me how many were staying at the Sahara. I told him Margaret booked the Frontier, he said; "No she booked the Sahara", I said "OK our traditional bet for first round of drinks after golf"! Margaret just got home and as in years past I lost the bet! The first round is on me! See all of you staying at the Sahara (The Hotel all of you knew Margaret booked but me) tomorrow morning! ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:20:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 03 The Events Have Already Started! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com For those of you who are Rookies: Rick has a high limit on his credit card. Drinks named after cars or islands, or those with 5 or more liquors in them are generally the most expensive. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let Her Play Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:12:16 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" I don't know a lot about the structure of the golfing world but it seems tome that if women had been allowed to 'earn' their way onto the PGA tour inthe manner that Neal talks about, then there would be a ton of them attempting to do so. Is this a valid point or am I missing the boat here? Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: nthomas@pol.net To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let Her Play You caught me as I was jut writing about this. The major differences are that this was on "open" event and those women "earned" the right to play. Much different than being given a spot over a better player who has earned the right to play, but is now sitting home becasue of her. > Hi, All! > The recent hubbub concerning Anika Sorestam reminds me of a situation > that occurred in the professional chess world a few years back. There > is a professional tour of international players (almost all men). There > is also a professional women's tour, which has its own world champion, > method for assigning the titles of International Grandmaster and > International Master, and so on. > A few years ago, several women players became strong enough that they > chose to compete in the open ("men's") events. After squawking by some > players and administrators, the controversy calmed down. Several of the > women players have performed so well that they have earned the title of > International Grandmaster (the open title, not the women's title). This > would place them in the top several hundred players in the world. > Occasionally, one of them wins a major tournament, over strong male > players. Occasionally, one of the women has been strong enough to > compete in the cycle that determines the world champion (not just the > women's champion), although no woman has yet qualified for higher than > about the final 16 or so. > There is no controversy today about women playing in the open events. > Allowing them to play in open events has led to an improvement in their > play and, cosequently, in the play of the women's tour in general. > I expect that any controversy over this issue in golf would have the > same fate. > Mike W Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:45:22 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let Her Play To: yazmon@sigecom.net, wierzbickim@ameritech.net, nthomas@pol.net From: tply@aol.com I am surprised this issue has created such discussion. Like Mike Hair said "Tee it up and let it fly"! As I understand it Anika was give one of eight sponsor invitations to play. Why isn't anyone talking about the other seven given? The sponsors pay big bucks to invite the player they want. Let her play and see what happens the other seven didn't have to qualify to play and for years the sponsors have invited celebrities etc. If nothing else she will realize she is in over her heard or we will see a sexist wall fall and she will prove she can play with the boys which may be feeling a little nervous about her ability right now! Swing away Anika! ================= To: Subject: info Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 22:17:19 -0700 From: "terry ellis" how many cards in who am I set and whats mantle, koufax ,ruth and chamberlin worth? thanks kit okamuro ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:20:10 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Don Mossi and Bill James To: TPLY@aol.com, BDAngelo@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com X-Mac-Creator="474b4f4e"; X-Mac-Type="4a504547" ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Topps Who Am I Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 01:25:47 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" 44 cards in the set from 1967 available in a scratch-off and non-scratch off form. Baseball players: #12 Ruth, #22 Mantle, #33 Mays, #41 Koufax. No Chamberlain. Each lists for $100 - $200. I have about half of the set but none of the athletes. ----- Original Message ----- From: terry ellis To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2003 1:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] info how many cards in who am I set and whats mantle, koufax ,ruth and chamberlin worth? thanks kit okamuro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: OBC contact Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 23:47:07 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hey all, On the eve of V03, I had the great pleasure of meeting up with Bob Donaldson, who was in the local area on business. We met up at his hotel and went straight to Oakland's Class A team, the Modesto A's. We had a great time at the ballpark, but unfortunately the home team lost to the hated (by me) San Jose Gints. The A's had it well in hand until the top of the 8th, when the Gints exploded for 7 runs. A mini-comeback was attempted in the bottomof the 9th, with one of the hometowners going deep for the 2nd time im thegame, but it was too little too late. All in all, a great time was had. It was wonderful meeting up with anotherOBCer. I had a great time getting to know about Bob and his collecting history, his family, his area of the world and his job. Making the trip west with Bob were some great hits to my wantlist, including a '57 Dodger (Ken Lehman), a '51 Bowman Chuck Dressen, a '52 Bowman BillyCox, and a '73 Cubbie team card. Thanks Bob for the wonderful cardboard, and a great evening! ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:06:54 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: females vs males/ golf / tennis police tests From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: From: Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 08:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Let Her Play ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:36:00 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] females vs males/ golf / tennis police tests To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 05/15/2003 4:08:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: > There are guys out there that can beat her 9 of 10 times &they have > never had a shot. The best player deserves the shot regardless of > gender. I would suggest that the players who get sponsor exemptions CANNOT beat her 9 out of 10 times. Look at the Monday qualifying scores or the scores of those who miss the cut. Most of them are worst than the numbers that I think she will put up. I could agree more if she was just some woman golfer, but keep in mind that she has won over 40 tournaments on the LPGA. There is a "minor league" tournament called the Nationwide Tour (formerly Hooters, formerly Nike, formerly Buy.Com, formerly Hogan Tour). The top 10 or 15 money winners from this tour earn their tour card for the following year. I would also suggest that Annika could place in the top five on this tour. Also look at it from the sponsors point of view. The sponsor (I believe it's B of A) puts out a ton of cash to sponsor a tournament. By granting this exemption, they have made a routine tour stop into a big event that will lead to more exposure than most tournaments of it's statue. Had they give this spot to the Senior VP's best friends son's golf pro, it would not have generated a bit of exposure. In another week they'll tee it up and see what happens! V03 gearing up... Rest well, ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 20:46:43 EDT Subject: hockey season To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Any fans of the great one, Wayne Gretzky ? I have a large pile of dups to send out to other fans of the great one - just LMK & give me some time to get Glad to see the #1 and #2 seeds in the West knocked out by the underdog ! It will give the East a chance for once. ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 21:14:14 EDT Subject: WAIVER WIRE FCFS To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com hi all I am putting a few cards up for the taking First come first serve 66 topps 78 109 129 196 67 topps 3 76 394 421 68 topps 208 210 252 429 69 topps 214 217 247 252 388 71 topps 138 307 383 463 474 72 topps 353X2 355 361 369 79 topps 123 700 ================= Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:38:50 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] hockey season From: Carlos Alcazar I think that as a big fan of the #1 seed in the West (Dallas), I need to voice my moral objection to the underdogs, with the emphasis being on "dogs" playing for the Western Conference title. That has to be one of the least interesting series in recent memory. My only hope is that Ottawa wins because it looks like Anaheim will continue on. And a New Jersey - Anaheim Stanley Cup final would ruin my streak of watching the finals, not to mention the rating monster that snorefest would be sure to be. If there is a hockey god I pray he/she sees fit to see Ottawa destroy Anaheim in the Cup final. Just my opinion mind you, not that I'm bitter or anything. :-) ================= Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 02:06:03 -0400 (EDT) To: illini90@EarthLink.net (Geno) Subject: free web pages/ Frank Funk From: keithsummers@webtv.net Thanks to Geno for a Frank Funk card! But what the Funk is this other card? APBA? Which free site is best for a home page & why? Is there one without a huge ad at the top of the page? www.??????.com (You name it) After I construct a page (cars by the way), how is the best way to get it listed on search engines? ================= Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:51:18 EDT Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] hockey season To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Hey all, I guess I might as well add my 2 cents. I am SO HAPPY the Ducks beat the teams that buys players and wins both Detroit and Dallas I am looking forward to a Ducks-Devils final. I dont think it will be a sleeper at all Great net minding is always fun. Plus I cant wait to get my tickets to the finals and the Devills have home id so there will be about a Grand well spent. my prediction is Devils in 6 over Ottawa, then the Experience factor will set in and the Devils will win another cup in 5 games ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Ft Wash vs National Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 07:24:55 -0700 From: "Bob Donaldson" I think I'd like to take a road trip this summer to meet up with some OBCers and perhaps purchase some cardboard. Does anyone know the dates of Ft Washington for this summer/early fall and the dates for the National. As I'll only be able to visit one, I'd welcome any opinions on which to go ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay listing Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:15:04 -0700 From: scarter@multek.com I like Bert and all, but this is ridiculous. The 28 bids so far make me wonder if this is the 7th sign of the apocalypse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2728985289&category=16275 Steve Carter ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay listing Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:27:18 -0700 From: "Bob Donaldson" That's quit a bit more than I spent on my 34 Goudey set - with 2 Gehrigs! -----Original Message----- From: scarter@multek.com [mailto:scarter@multek.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 10:15 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay listing I like Bert and all, but this is ridiculous. The 28 bids so far make me wonder if this is the 7th sign of the apocalypse. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2728985289&category=16275 Steve Carter To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:46:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay listing To: scarter@multek.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 5/16/2003 12:16:51 PM Central Standard Time, scarter@multek.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2728985289&category=16275 And both the seller and buyer have perfect feedback. Very strange. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 17:14:12 -0400 (EDT) To: Celenox@aol.com Subject: Re: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] hockey season From: Originaleek@webtv.net Let me see.....a baseball fan from New York accuses Hockey teams of "buying players"....... anyone else catch the irony? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 22:57:50 EDT Subject: Been out... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Sorry to anyone who I owe thanks or cards to, all of this week has been spent traveling back and forth to the hospital as Christina's and my 3rd child has been born and they both had to stay in the hospital an couple of extra days. Nothing serious but with two kids already.. The running never stopped. So if I am in debt to some, please send me an email and I will get back into things as the little boy keeps me up at night. John Leroux ================= Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 00:42:25 -0400 (EDT) To: LynnM@piol.net (68/340S), OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Free web pages/ Bert/ Lynn From: keithsummers@webtv.net I have 2 other people that have emailed me asking to let them know what I find out about who has the best free web page & why. I have rcvd no replies so far :-( I doubt that the 224 guy will actually pay the seller the $2100+ he owes. I bet it is 3 guys (relatives/co-workers) trying to run up the value on a 71 PSA Bert. Doesn't some mag log all the sales & that determines the PSA value in one of the price guides? The buyer only has one negative but it seems too strange to be real. Thanks goes to Lynn Miller who hits me with about 6 Terry Bradshaws & a couple of Jim Nash cards! Thanks Lynn :-) ================= To: "68/340S" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Free web pages/ Bert/ Lynn Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 01:39:39 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" Actually, the guy that won the Blyleven card will pay the amount due because he is a major player as far as graded set building is concerned. I have on occassion checked out the sets that some of these guys build and this particular buyer, Chris Renaud, has built a super set for 1970 and 1971 Topps. I believe he is from NYC, and I know that he regularly drops thousands for high grade cards and will not let BV dictate what he pays. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "68/340S" ; Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:42 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Free web pages/ Bert/ Lynn > I have 2 other people that have emailed me asking to let them know what > I find out about who has the best free web page & why. I have rcvd no > replies so far :-( > I doubt that the 224 guy will actually pay the seller the $2100+ he > owes. I bet it is 3 guys (relatives/co-workers) trying to run up the > value on a 71 PSA Bert. Doesn't some mag log all the sales & that > determines the PSA value in one of the price guides? The buyer only > has one negative but it seems too strange to be real. > Thanks goes to Lynn Miller who hits me with about 6 Terry Bradshaws & > a couple of Jim Nash cards! Thanks Lynn :-) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 10:21:32 -0500 To: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Free web pages/ Bert/ Lynn From: "Dr. John V Harrell" I've used Webspawner.com for 6+ years and have had relatively ltlle trouble with them. It takes almost no time to set up a page and, unless you add whistles and bells, there's no charge. I, in fact, have about 6 separate webpages with webspawner. All you need to do is make sure you update the page every 5-6 months to indicate you are still using it. I highly recommend webspawner.com. keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > I have 2 other people that have emailed me asking to let them know what > I find out about who has the best free web page & why. I have rcvd no > replies so far :-( > I doubt that the 224 guy will actually pay the seller the $2100+ he > owes. I bet it is 3 guys (relatives/co-workers) trying to run up the > value on a 71 PSA Bert. Doesn't some mag log all the sales & that > determines the PSA value in one of the price guides? The buyer only > has one negative but it seems too strange to be real. > Thanks goes to Lynn Miller who hits me with about 6 Terry Bradshaws & > a couple of Jim Nash cards! Thanks Lynn :-) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:32:34 EDT Subject: V03 Update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Just a quick note as I run 'tween V03 eVents: A near record 28 for the rib fest last night; Team cards are back as everyone (except late arriving Doug Smith) received a team photo of the group, and I have the only copy of the autographed version: Bad boy Joel Glickman's saga continues, after federal smuggling allegations and the Vegas assault with a deadly weapon (golf ball) he now is facing assault and battery charges against a slot machine; While the ballfield at Fuerte Court has a ways to go to compete with Fenway, it is generally agreed that it is in the top 10 of asphalt fields; Railroad pass was injured by the hot rolling of Todd Knowles and shut the tables down early. The excuse breakfast almost generated stokes. Morganti pleaded for Yogurt elbow, and while the committee agreed that it was a factor, it was also noted that since the temperature in Vegas is hotter than that in the yogurt case, the ball would therefore travel farther, and the stoke was negated. George Hay became the first to actually bring a note form a (alleged) doctor, the committee decided that his (unnoterized) note suggested that standing on his hands would be a solution to his maladies. The team of Geno Wagner, George Hay, Mike Hair and Dave Trimble (playing on a sponsors exemption) won the Eighth first annual Golf Tournament. In keeping with tradition, Rick Ellison's team finished last, and Ken Morganti called for an investigation into the "ringer team." It should be noted that Ken had at least 3 opportunities to change his team but failed to do so. Geno hit one drive over 400 yards, aided by the slant of (2) roofs. Other drives (bye bye Chief) while hitting the same number of houses did not fare as well. Steve Rittenberg did his Joel Glickman imitation, only to be thwarted by a golf cart. ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:00:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Catalog update From: "mikesportsfan" Yesterday I picked up the 2001 Annual BB SCD. I already owned a 2000 edition. Although it is only 1 year more recent, I thought it was the $5 to have it, especially since my 2000 edition is missing about 36 pages in UV section of the book. I decided to compare the 2 editions for a number of vintage sets in the A & B areas. First thing is I find it amusing how the alphabet has changed. Sets are not listed in the same order in the 2 books. Second most card and set prices did not change at all. Others jumped considerably. Some fo this makes little sense. An example is E-90-2 1910 American Caramel Pirates jumped from $3,600 to $5,625 yet the E-90-3 1910 American CarmelWhite Sox/Cubs remained the same at $4,500. I would appreciate it if someone has a "rational" explanation for this. Fortunately many sets I would like to work on have not changed, such as Bazooka, Glendale, Batter-Up, etc and Armour Coins cards. Although, since the guide is now 2 years old, who knows if thewy have shot up since. I also love the promos for the books on the back covers. The 2000 says listings for 400,000 cards; 10,000 photos, 8000 sets, 1664 pages - the largest ever and 600,000 updated prices. The 2001 guide says 425,000 cards; 12,000 phots; 8500 sets; 1664 pages and 600,000 updated prices. Can someone explain this to me also? First off both books have 1661 pages, not 1664. Also with an entire additional year, why are there not mopre pages in the new book? The vintage section went from 463 pages in 2000 to 480 in 2001. Why would the 1980 and prior section get bigger? Did they find more sets or cards in those sets? That also means the 2001 book contains FEWER pages os UV material. Antoehr year, yet fewer pages. Anyone else confused? Then, as I said, their alphabetical list of sets is in a different order. The promos on the books also state that, "You'll never again pay too much or ask too little for your cards." I wonder why I love OBC when I consider teh Annual SCD to be the best guide out there and this is what we get. At least most of teh lists are correct checklists, although I am sure there are mistakes there as well. My $.02. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 01:03:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Detroit area possible get together From: "mikesportsfan" For those within hailing distance of the Detroit area, ther is another Redford VFW show on Sunday, June 1. The Tiggers are also hosting teh Yankees that day. Ernie Harwell is suppose to make a guest appearance as a TV announcer (not radio) for that game. There is also the possibility that Roger Clemens (who if schedules hold is supposed to pitch that day) may be going for his 300th career win. If this is true, I am thinking about leaving the show early and going to teh game. If anyone else is intrerested please LMK. I also would like to know who else will be attending the show. Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mark Grace Story Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:33:41 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I heard a Mark Grace interview awhile back that included a very funny story, but when I went to tell Todd Knowles the story, I forgot the punchline - was it the beer? my age? Trips standing too close to me? Anyway, I remembered it on the way home and started laughing again, so here it is from my memory. It seems Rick Sutcliffe had just given up back-to-back homers to a pair of Cincinnati Reds and was fuming mad at himself. This prompted rotund pitching coach Billy Conners to come walking towards the mound for a conference. Grace said Sutcliffe let Conners have it, while Billy just listened: Sutcliffe: Billy, get your fat-@*$ back to the dugout and leave me the &%)@ alone! I am not F&^#)*ing tired and I'm not coming out of this game, so just march your big behind back to the $(#)(#&ing dugout... Conners: Calm down, Rick. I just wanted to give that fireworks guy time to reload... Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:50:32 -0400 (EDT) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com (mikesportsfan) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Detroit area possible get together From: Originaleek@webtv.net If June 1st arrives when it's supposed to, I'm in for the show and the game. Thus far this year is moving way too fast with dates and events coming upon me before I am ready. A gathering of the FOOT would be a great way to slow down. We keep what we give away! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Getting Close! Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:30:14 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- After a Vegas extravaganza and some Ebay wins, I am down to only a few needed for a three sets. Anybody that wants to offer up any one of the cards below, I will see what I have in my dupes box to accomodate you! 1968: 150 (Clemente), 374 (Clemente AS), 505 (Sparma), 549 (Orioles RC) 1966: 563 (Twins RC), 583 (Tigers Team), 591 (NL Rookies) 1963 Bazooka All-Time Greats: 9 (Plank), 22 (Simmons) I'm also getting close on the 1953s, so if you want to trade some of those, let me know! Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 07:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Today's mailbag To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet For those of you who weren't aware, I have a vintage cards website that I add to from time to time. One of the neat things about the site is that I can help collectors find out info on card that they may have found and leave a link for emails in case visitors need any additional help. If you haven't seen the page yet, it can be accessed at this link: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/ Anyhow, I do get a lot of email from people wanting to ask if I can give them card prices. I try to be helpful with them and explain that there is no possible way to give him or her an accurate price with just a player's name, card number and year of issue. There are a lot of factors involved, like condition and -- most of all -- how much the potential buyer really wants to spend to take the card home. I often suggest a trip to a card shop and a chat with a dealer (but I stress that if the dealer can't identify a '66 Topps without looking it up, they're only wasting Other visitors see my site in a way that I never intended; a handful figure that my complete set checklists are my inventory, figuring that if I listed all 407 cards of the '52 Topps set on my page, then I must have all of them sitting in my bedroom closet and how much do I want to sell the Mantle for? None of these fine visitors to my site seem to realize that if I was selling these cards, I'd be a terrible slesman because nowhere on my site do I make any mention of a selling price (except the short item on my FAQ page where I explain why there are no values listed). Pointless aside that's here because this is a Rambling: I also get far too many emails from novice collectors who pick up one of the five reprinted cards that came out with Hygrade products back in the 1980s, and are absolutely certain that they have the real thing ("but, it even says on the back that the card is rare and worth $20 thousand!"). I hate having to break the bad news to them and express my sincere feeling that I hope they didn't pay more than a quarter to get the card, but you'd be surprised how many just refuse to believe that their card isn't really rare or valuable. I got one email this morning that beat them all: > chris, > notice your pittsburgh steeler's "want" list > online...fyi, I have bethlehem > (my) hometown John Schweder cards as follows: > 1952 Bowman Small 72 John Schweder...have two cards > one near mint and tiny > bit off center, and the other one creased in upper > left corner with mr. > schweder signature affixed on top and below the > crease. > 1953 Bowman 41 John Schweder...one card with > slightly soft upper right > corner and tiny bit off center is all...otherwise > nearly mint... > 1955 Bowman 130 John Schweder...have three totally > different cards all off > center and differently shaded/colored/printed...the > most off centered one > also has signature of mr. schweder on top of his > helmet.....also have same > year (4 cards) #25 steeler's football club cards of > mr. schweder with one > having his signature across his helmet. > also, not sure with your list but also have > Philadelphia Eagles team picture > #31 Topps Pro-Football Check List-First Series (I > see another hometown guy, > Chuck Bednarik in the top row, 2nd from right is all > I know). would be > willing to send "all" to you on "approval" basis per > your request, along > with a sase back to me and zero expense to you with > zero obligation > whatsoever to you for purchase. if interested, > please reply and I'll just > send to you as per above. my price for this package > is $2,500.00 via paypal > or personal check to my address below! remit same > and take all or if you > desire only some of the items, please advise and > we'll discuss same. > contact me via return e-mail, telephone at home > 610-XXX-XXXX, cell > 610-XXX-XXXX anytime or via hard mail. thanks for > your time & > consideration- this offer expires 5/28//03! > after mail per your request, and if no or partial > interest...please return > all or remaining cards with no obligation in my > envelope before 6/13/03. (Here was my reply) Thanks for asking, but I'm not a buyer who has $2500 just lying around to drop on cards (you may have heard something about a poor economy lately). I don't follow the Eagles (even if one of the players is a former Steeler), don't collect team cards and the only autographed cards I collect are those I get in person (to me, the personal touch means nothing unless I was I am not a condition-conscious collector. My Steelers collection isn't high-grade, and I rarely pay more than 20% book value for cards (including star and HOFers). Judging from your total price, I don't think we are going to come to any agreement on any individual cards because your perceived value is way out of sync with mine. Thanks again for the offer, but I must pass. He sent me a reply back, but it isn't worth bringing up here (and some parts aren't fit for minors to read), except to point out that $2500 will look like a bargain when the market picks up again (I disagree, but I'm probably not going to get into a nasty hissing contest via email with this guy). My question to those who have read this far...Was there any other way I might have handled this? Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:35:50 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's mailbag To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Because of my list, i often get e-mails like the one you had...i just ignore them...i dont even waste my time trying to explain that i will not pay $5.00 + $5.00 s/h for a '85 Donruss Pete Rose....I just delete them and move on. ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 14:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Good Time Rock 'n Roll!!!! To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick This past weekend I had the opportunity to go to Cleveland with my oldest daughter, actually, she took me as part of my birthday present. We arrived late Friday afternoon with the assistance of Joe Isaac, who directed us to his place of employment and then led us to the hotel we were staying at. After the cusomtary exchange of cards, we piled in his SUV for the ride to the Jake. Joe laid a variety of cards on me, a 59, a 60, a pair of 61's, a pair of 66's, a pair of 67's, 2 each 70, 71, 74, Fergie and Bechert & 75,62MVP Mantle and Wills. Thanks Joe! After finding the parking lot someone had recommended, we passed on eating at Cooperstown and instead went to the Pittsburgh style eatery, Paninni's(sp). Great sandwich and the purchase of $40 tickets for $30, from some fan that wasn't going to be using them. Now the game, the first for my daughter of 27, and she liked it(she's not a sports fan). Saw a good pitching duel and had some great conversation with Joe. The man is a mini encyclopedia of baseball trivia. I have a feeling we will be seeing some of his trivia questions coming up on the ramblings. Go for it Joe! Joe drove us back to the hotel and after some conversation, I was ready for some sleep. I was going on 24 hours straight after a 2 hour nap, and 4 1/2 hours sleep over the past 48 hours. So Joe, if I was not very good company, that my explain why. The next day, it was the Rock & Roll HOF. I highly recommend it to any music fans out there. Great stuff in there. Not real well laid out or organized but some fun things. I like the old R & R so it was good seeing and hearing some of the oldies again. After 5 hours there, not much time for the Science Center next door or the submarine tour. That'll have to be another trip. Left Cleveland at 6 PM and back in the safe confines of Ridgway at 11:15. I want to thank Joe for all his help and for the cardboard and especially for his company. As one of out brethern says,"I still haven't met anybody in OBC I haven't liked." Joe heard that the 2004 National will again be in Cleveland! That good for those of us in the East. We are planning an OBC get together in Pittsburgh this summer, all are naturally invited. We'll keep you If you are still reading this, thanks for being so patient. A very fun trip. Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:31:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's mailbag To: Chris Stufflestreet From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Just delete the email and don't even waste your time.  My two cents.

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Chris Stufflestreet wrote:

 For those of you who weren't aware, I have a vintage
cards website that I add to from time to time.  One of
the neat things about the site is that I can help
collectors find out info on card that they may have
found and leave a link for emails in case visitors
need any additional help.  If you haven't seen the
page yet, it can be accessed at this link:

http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/

Anyhow, I do get a lot of email from people wanting to
ask if I can give them card prices.  I try to be
helpful with them and explain that there is no
possible way to give him or her an accurate price with
just a player's name, card number and year of issue.
There are a lot of factors involved, like condition
and -- most of all -- how much the potential buyer
really wants to spend to take the card home.  I often
suggest a trip to a card shop and a chat with a dealer
(but I stress that if the dealer can't identify a '66
Topps without looking it up, they're only wasting

Other visitors see my site in a way that I never
intended; a handful figure that my complete set
checklists are my inventory, figuring that if I listed
all 407 cards of the '52 Topps set on my page, then I
must have all of them sitting in my bedroom closet and
how much do I want to sell the Mantle for?  None of
these fine visitors to my site seem to realize that if
I was selling these cards, I'd be a terrible slesman
because nowhere on my site do I make any mention of a
selling price (except the short item on my FAQ page
where I explain why there are no values listed).

Pointless aside that's here because this is a
Rambling: I also get far too many emails from novice
collectors who pick up one of the five reprinted cards
that came out with Hygrade products back in the 1980s,
and are absolutely certain that they have the real
thing ("but, it even says on the back that the card is
rare and worth $20 thousand!").  I hate having to
break the bad news to them and express my sincere
feeling that I hope they didn't pay more than a
quarter to get the card, but you'd be surprised how
many just refuse to believe that their card isn't
really rare or valuable.

I got one email this morning that beat them all:

> chris,
> notice your pittsburgh steeler's "want" list
> online...fyi, I have bethlehem
> (my) hometown John Schweder cards as follows:
> 1952 Bowman Small 72 John Schweder...have two cards
> one near mint and tiny
> bit off center, and the other one creased in upper
> left corner with mr.
> schweder signature affixed on top and below the
> crease.
> 1953 Bowman 41 John Schweder...one card with
> slightly soft upper right
> corner and tiny bit off center is all...otherwise
> nearly mint...
> 1955 Bowman 130 John Schweder...have three totally
> different cards all off
> center and differently shaded/colored/printed...the
> most off centered one
> also has signature of mr. schweder on top of his
> helmet.....also have same
> year (4 cards) #25 steeler's football club cards of
> mr. schweder with one
> having his signature across his helmet.
> also, not sure with your list but also have
> Philadelphia Eagles team picture
> #31 Topps Pro-Football Check List-First Series (I
> see another hometown guy,
> Chuck Bednarik in the top row, 2nd from right is all
> I know). would be
> willing to send "all" to you on "approval" basis per
> your request, along
> with a sase back to me and zero expense to you with
> zero obligation
> whatsoever to you for purchase.  if interested,
> please reply and I'll just
> send to you as per above.  my price for this package
> is $2,500.00 via paypal
> or personal check to my address below!  remit same
> and take all or if you
> desire only some of the items, please advise and
> we'll discuss same.
> contact me via return e-mail, telephone at home
> 610-XXX-XXXX,  cell
> 610-XXX-XXXX anytime or via hard mail.  thanks for
> your time &
> consideration- this offer expires 5/28//03!
> after mail per your request, and if no or partial
> interest...please return
> all or remaining cards with no obligation in my
> envelope before 6/13/03.
<name and address deleted to avoid embarrassment>

(Here was my reply)
Thanks for asking, but I'm not a buyer who has $2500
just lying around to drop on cards (you may have heard
something about a poor economy lately).  I don't
follow the Eagles (even if one of the players is a
former Steeler), don't collect team cards and the only
autographed cards I collect are those I get in person
(to me, the personal touch means nothing unless I was

I am not a condition-conscious collector.  My Steelers
collection isn't high-grade, and I rarely pay more
than 20% book value for cards (including star and
HOFers).  Judging from your total price, I don't think
we are going to come to any agreement on any
individual cards because your perceived value is way
out of sync with mine.

Thanks again for the offer, but I must pass.

He sent me a reply back, but it isn't worth bringing
up here (and some parts aren't fit for minors to
read), except to point out that $2500 will look like a
bargain when the market picks up again (I disagree,
but I'm probably not going to get into a nasty hissing
contest via email with this guy).

My question to those who have read this far...Was
there any other way I might have handled this?

Take care,
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================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's mailbag Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 20:52:57 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Chris and group; There is no better reponse ( if you decide to even bother writing one) thanone that echoes our Brother Rick Redpath's answer to an inquisitive collector. I pulled this from the recent "Best of Redpath" letters, but I have saved this gem in my own archives since I first read it 2 1/2 years ago. Change a couple of the names, and you've got yourself the best canned answer you could get...This is a true classic !! Time to open the viewer mailbag again, and answer some of the nicer letters that we get from time to time... >From: FERNANDO >Subject: TOPPS 40 >I need help abot 91 cards i have of 40 years of baseball, what can i do? >Is it possible to sell? >Thanks in advance. Dear Fer., I'm flattered that you wrote to me asking for advice, but I have to confess that I am kind of a small time collector, and probably not in your league at all. 91 cards! Man where do you keep them all? Do you realize that this is the equivalent of 6 packs of baseball cards?!?! Wow, I can sympathize with your plight, brother. Now, you're lucky that these cards are from the highly prized 40 years of baseball set, manufactured by Topps OVER 10 YEARS AGO, so you and I both know we're talking about a vintage goldmine here. Unlike some things you may have purchased in 1991, these cards (assuming they are in pretty good shape, and knowing you, Fernando, my buddy, they probably are) have retained some of their original value. I don't want to get your hopes up to high, but, I have to say, if an item like this was to come up at auction, I would expect that it would receive, conservatively, and I stress conservatively, somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 cents. However, if you were willing to throw in free shipping, and who isn't these days, you might find somebody willing to offer as much as ninety-five cents for this lot! Not me, of course, but someone. Maybe. "Is it possible to sell" you ask? Fernando. This is the USA! It's possible to sell ANYTHING. Or at least to try to sell it. Whatever, give it a shot, my friend. And let me know what happens! But even if things don't work out, at least you still have your song. And that's more than most of us can claim... There was something in the air that night The stars were bright, Fernando... They were shining there for you and me For liberty, Fernando... Though I never thought that we could lose There's no regret If I had to do the same again I would, my friend, Fernando... Later, dude. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Stufflestreet" To: Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:33 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's mailbag > For those of you who weren't aware, I have a vintage > cards website that I add to from time to time. One of > the neat things about the site is that I can help > collectors find out info on card that they may have > found and leave a link for emails in case visitors > need any additional help. If you haven't seen the > page yet, it can be accessed at this link: > http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/ > Anyhow, I do get a lot of email from people wanting to > ask if I can give them card prices. I try to be > helpful with them and explain that there is no > possible way to give him or her an accurate price with > just a player's name, card number and year of issue. > There are a lot of factors involved, like condition > and -- most of all -- how much the potential buyer > really wants to spend to take the card home. I often > suggest a trip to a card shop and a chat with a dealer > (but I stress that if the dealer can't identify a '66 > Topps without looking it up, they're only wasting > time). > Other visitors see my site in a way that I never > intended; a handful figure that my complete set > checklists are my inventory, figuring that if I listed > all 407 cards of the '52 Topps set on my page, then I > must have all of them sitting in my bedroom closet and > how much do I want to sell the Mantle for? None of > these fine visitors to my site seem to realize that if > I was selling these cards, I'd be a terrible slesman > because nowhere on my site do I make any mention of a > selling price (except the short item on my FAQ page > where I explain why there are no values listed). > Pointless aside that's here because this is a > Rambling: I also get far too many emails from novice > collectors who pick up one of the five reprinted cards > that came out with Hygrade products back in the 1980s, > and are absolutely certain that they have the real > thing ("but, it even says on the back that the card is > rare and worth $20 thousand!"). I hate having to > break the bad news to them and express my sincere > feeling that I hope they didn't pay more than a > quarter to get the card, but you'd be surprised how > many just refuse to believe that their card isn't > really rare or valuable. > I got one email this morning that beat them all: > > chris, > > > > notice your pittsburgh steeler's "want" list > > online...fyi, I have bethlehem > > (my) hometown John Schweder cards as follows: > > > > 1952 Bowman Small 72 John Schweder...have two cards > > one near mint and tiny > > bit off center, and the other one creased in upper > > left corner with mr. > > schweder signature affixed on top and below the > > crease. > > > > 1953 Bowman 41 John Schweder...one card with > > slightly soft upper right > > corner and tiny bit off center is all...otherwise > > nearly mint... > > > > 1955 Bowman 130 John Schweder...have three totally > > different cards all off > > center and differently shaded/colored/printed...the > > most off centered one > > also has signature of mr. schweder on top of his > > helmet.....also have same > > year (4 cards) #25 steeler's football club cards of > > mr. schweder with one > > having his signature across his helmet. > > > > also, not sure with your list but also have > > Philadelphia Eagles team picture > > #31 Topps Pro-Football Check List-First Series (I > > see another hometown guy, > > Chuck Bednarik in the top row, 2nd from right is all > > I know). would be > > willing to send "all" to you on "approval" basis per > > your request, along > > with a sase back to me and zero expense to you with > > zero obligation > > whatsoever to you for purchase. if interested, > > please reply and I'll just > > send to you as per above. my price for this package > > is $2,500.00 via paypal > > or personal check to my address below! remit same > > and take all or if you > > desire only some of the items, please advise and > > we'll discuss same. > > contact me via return e-mail, telephone at home > > 610-XXX-XXXX, cell > > 610-XXX-XXXX anytime or via hard mail. thanks for > > your time & > > consideration- this offer expires 5/28//03! > > > > after mail per your request, and if no or partial > > interest...please return > > all or remaining cards with no obligation in my > > envelope before 6/13/03. > > > > (Here was my reply) > ----------- > Thanks for asking, but I'm not a buyer who has $2500 > just lying around to drop on cards (you may have heard > something about a poor economy lately). I don't > follow the Eagles (even if one of the players is a > former Steeler), don't collect team cards and the only > autographed cards I collect are those I get in person > (to me, the personal touch means nothing unless I was > there). > I am not a condition-conscious collector. My Steelers > collection isn't high-grade, and I rarely pay more > than 20% book value for cards (including star and > HOFers). Judging from your total price, I don't think > we are going to come to any agreement on any > individual cards because your perceived value is way > out of sync with mine. > Thanks again for the offer, but I must pass. > ----------- > He sent me a reply back, but it isn't worth bringing > up here (and some parts aren't fit for minors to > read), except to point out that $2500 will look like a > bargain when the market picks up again (I disagree, > but I'm probably not going to get into a nasty hissing > contest via email with this guy). > My question to those who have read this far...Was > there any other way I might have handled this? > Take care, > Chris > I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:18:52 -0400 (EDT) To: familytoad@harborside.com (Brian Lindholme) Subject: Redpath's Ramblings/ $2500 pkg From: keithsummers@webtv.net Yes that IS one of the best of all-time in OBC! Anyone know if he actually sent that email to Fer, or was it just for our amusement? I liked the one he did on NASA Grading Card Company also! Chris I think you handled it okay. However I would have invited him to put it on ebay & send you the link when he did. Not only could he get fair market value also he would see you were right & see he is way off base with his $2500 offer :-) I was also amused by the JUST STICKEM BACK IN THE ENVELOPE & RETURN THEM comment. A $2500 pg with no mention of insurance, padding or signature required! BTW, I have enjoyed reading our online newsletters! PS Remember that offer expires soon! ================= Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 00:31:14 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: rings From: keithsummers@webtv.net Some players got into trouble for selling there SEC Championship rings last week & the buyer put them on ebay, if I remember correctly. They are not allowed to sell them for more than fair market value. Who determines what fair market value is? Wouldn't ebay determine the fair market value? You know, supply & demand, etc.. Can they sell them for any price once they graduate? Maybe that is the whole problem? Is it okay to kill 2 people "then" sell your trophies/rings to help with legal fees & lawsuits? Oh, well that's another topic :-) ================= To: Subject: Research Help Needed Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 05:18:01 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Can anyone tell me if James Milton Battle (1927 White Sox) ever had a card issued please? Only appeared in 6 games, hit .375, and faded into ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Research Help Needed Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:29:21 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The 1999 version of the Beckett Baseball Card Alphabetical Checklist does not list any cards for Battle. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 8:18 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Research Help Needed Can anyone tell me if James Milton Battle (1927 White Sox) ever had a card issued please? Only appeared in 6 games, hit .375, and faded into Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 08:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Any heroes out there? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Here's an email I received this morning. I know we have some Tiger fans in the group and figured someone could help him out. Hi Chris, I enjoy reading your newsletter. I was wondering if you could help me with a project and give me some contacts. I save only Detroit Tiger baseball cards. My project is to have at least one card from each year of my life. I thought it would be a nice thing to pass on to my grandchild someday. I was born in 1948. I have at least one card from every year except 1948. Could you help me locate one? It doesn't matter which player or what condition it is in. Please email back when you have a chance. If you can help him out, let me know and I'll pass along his email address. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: 20 May 2003 17:46:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I just renewed my dupes box care of Kurt Turdot and here's the first offering: Post cereals. As always FCFS 1961 Post: 30 51 53 64 66(2) 89 124(2) 140 148(2) 152 154 197 1962 Post: 3 21 37 57 62 79 96 97 108 118 139 160(2) 181 194 196 1962 Canadian Post: 24 15 ================= Date: 20 May 2003 22:13:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables requests From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I believe everyone who has requested waivers will receive some or all of their request. I'm going out of town tomorrow so will be the first of the week before I can mail out. ================= Date: 21 May 2003 01:41:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ERRATA From: "obcjohn@knology.net" The 1962 Post Canadian I listed as #15 should read # 155. Sorry if this caused confusion. ================= Date: 21 May 2003 01:41:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ERRATA From: "obcjohn@knology.net" The 1962 Post Canadian I listed as #15 should read # 155. Sorry if this caused confusion. ================= Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 02:44:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ft Wash vs National From: "Ken Morganti" (Short response before I head off to work) I'm still trying to catch up on the last week's e-mail while I was in Vegas. Ramble to come soon... Ft. Washington: Sept. 19-21 2003 National: July 23-27 I'd recommend the National above the Ft. Washington showif I had to choose one. Hope to see you there! TAYL, Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Donaldson" < bdonaldson@c...> wrote: > Hi, > I think I'd like to take a road trip this summer to meet up with some OBCers > and perhaps purchase some cardboard. Does anyone know the dates of Ft > Washington for this summer/early fall and the dates for the National. > As I'll only be able to visit one, I'd welcome any opinions on which to go > to. > thanks > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:55:22 EDT Subject: Vegas Memories! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com What a great long weekend! No one can top Mike Hair when it comes to hosting a great time, Vegas gets better every year and me and mine had a wonderful I am surprised Ken refers to my golf team as a "Ringer" since we continued tradition and came in last again. Or is it Mike's team he is talking about? My thanks to my "Rookie" teammates Todd and Geordie for being great sports and making the morning of golf great fun yet another year! Mike please thank John for all of us for being our captain and putting up with me, Geordie and Todd! George Hay's letter at the excuse breakfast was a moment I will never forget and he still did not get strokes! George you get an A+ for coming up with one of the best excuses since we started the tradition of the excuse breakfast! The ribfest, as always, was one of the best times all weekend and the food was yet again fantastic! My sincere THANKS to Mike and Cindy for hosting a wonderful time and great food!!! The Half Rubber game was very memorable and I still here Todd complaining for getting the hook! I can still see the grin on my daughters face after winning the game facing the pitching legend and her friend for years Josh "The Heat" Levine! Crystal also managed to tell me an interesting story about and encounter Josh had at the Sahara while enjoying the band that featured a female singer. The encounter was with the lead female singer. Josh you want to fill in the We missed not going to a ball game this year but the Putt Putt was a great replacement and Geno sure got serious for some common card of a Bob Smith! Right I brought home a great assortment of cards from everyone in attendance and the two dealers we visited on Sunday! My sincere THANKS to everyone that contributed to the following cards I brought home: One 1929 Zeenut One T205 Gold Border One Boston Store One 1934 Goudey One 1973 Topps Three 1950 Bowmans One 1962 Topps Six 1963 Topps (Including Team Cards and WS Cards) Five 1967 Topps (Including Carl Yastrzemski) Four 1965 Topps (Including Roger Maris) Ten 1955 Bowmans (Including Umpire Cards, Roy Campanella & Don Newcombe) Eight 1958 Topps (including a laminated Sandy Koufax, some kid taped the Two 1957 Topps (Bobby Thompson and Jim Gilliam) Three 1952 Topps One 1953 Topps Four 1954 Topps Four 1955 Topps Thirteen 1956 Topps (Includes High Numbers I got at Rick's Card shop) It was great to meet Kit and Ray for the first time and great to see old friends yet again! Once again THANKS Mike and all that attended for making Vegas one of the best times of the year!!!!! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Morganti challenge Availables Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 23:51:59 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This year we played Putt-Putt in Vegas. The winner of each hole won a card. Bonuses were given out for holes-in-one, front nine and full course winners. We all had a blast. I won these cards but don't need them. Do you? 1957 #50 Herb Score 1961 #474 Al Rosen MVP 1964 #240 Bill White 1968 #245 Tony Gonzalez 1968 #269 Bob Tiefenauer 1969 #244 Ray Fosse RC ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: V03 report Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 21:50:40 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Another V has come and gone. Another great time was had by all. If you haven't been yet, I highly recommend attending V04. You don't have to be into gambling or golf, but it wouldn't hurt if you liked ribs! It was great to meet Geordie (my roomie), Brett, Kit, and Ray for the firsttime. It was also great to play in the golf tournament for the first time, even being teamed with Rick :) There have been a couple of humorous moments brought up by others, but RickEllison had the line of the weekend, perhaps of all time. We were at the 1st Annual Morganti Classic Miniature Golf Tournament, when Rick, while looking down at his putter, uttered the immortal words, "My shaft is bent!" Thanks to Mike and Cindy for once again opening their home to a bunch of cardboard collecting crazies. Once again, for those of you that haven't been, you should seriously consider attending next year. Like our spiritual leader, St. Al, the patron saint of lost vehicles, says: It's not about the cards. Still haven't met an OBCer I didn't like..... ================= Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 16:13:27 EDT Subject: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com ...except when it comes to OBC fun. I arrived Thursday afternoon and immedialtely got down to some serious black jack. By the time Al found me and brought me to Geordie and Todd, I had won nearly $6!! It was great fun thursday night. Geordie, Steve, and I decided to take a break from the tables and see a 11 pm showing of the new Matrix movie. It was not bad. Got back to the room around 2:45 and found someone sleeping there!! Oops...it was just my roomie/friend Brett. Said quick hello and went to sleep. Friday...roused myself around 10 and found Brett downstairs already. Hung around the Sahara until the bbq at Mike's place. Arrived at Mike's after Peter used Mapquest 2.0 (the St. Al version). Several wrong turns and miscues finally landed us at Fuerte Court. Cards were flying fast this year. Did not even have time to write down who gave me what. I did get some '71s, '55 Bowman, oddball Phillies, a '34 Goudey Grove, some Obaks, a '64 high #, and a few odds and ends. Thanks to everyone who handed me cards or let me rifle their dupes boxes. I did get some ribs eventhough Ken made it through the line twice before I got my first taste (distracted by a phone call from London). Mike and Cindy...the food and yard and everything was again fantastic. Mike's sauce is great and Cindy makes some mean salads. Yumm... After dinner we went outside to play half-rubber. I now know why Rick's daughter Crystal moved to Texas. It was to get away from her father's relentless batting practice routine he must have had her on. She killed my pitching. Hats off to Crystal. After the game we went to the traditional Railroad Pass night but there was a crowd and less tables than usual. Lost some money there. Watched todd roll on craps for 20 minutes though, although I hear the table turned sour when I walked away. Back to the Sahara where I watched Crystal and Brett play craps for another hour. Fell into bed late again. Saturday, slept in and met everyone for lunch at ESPN zone. Longest table ever. Todd actually had to call George on his cell to get some ketchup passed Watched my horse limp home in the Preakness too. More poor directions finally landed us at the minature golf course. hit in the batting cage then played a skins game with the guys. this was one of the most entertaining and fun events that we ever had at a Vegas event and I hope it continues. The Morganti Classic will live on. Incidentally, I was horrible on the front nine, but kicked butt on the back nine. Won some nice cards too. Back to the Hotel for some more gambling, dinner, and Rick and Margaret's anniversary party. Brett and I met up with Crystal and her cousin in the lounge for a few late night drinks and music. We sat in the back corner where I thought I might be safe. Soon after I got there Crystal turns to me and asks me if I think the singers breasts are real. I take a good long look, make a push-up bra motion and say possibly. Of course the singer sees all this while singing and points out my motions and generally mocks me for the rest of the night. Oh Next morning we headed over to the card shop on wheels where I picked up a '61 high, a '55 Bowman and a '51 Bowman. I like that concept, if you can't make it to the show, bring the show to you. I was going to drive home but stopped by Play Ball for a minute and picked up a few phillies oddballs. Overall a great weekend. Thanks to Todd, Geordie, Geno, Rick, Cyrstal, Margaret, Mike, Cindy, George, Lucy, Doug, Judy, Ray, Brett, Steve, Ken, Kit, Al, Dottie, and anyone else I may have missed. Only 360 more days until Vegas '04. ================= Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 22:12:20 EDT Subject: Freelancer's query To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Content-Language: en hey gang: Got this note tonite: "My name is Stan Carlberg. I am a freelance writer for Beckett Publications. I'm currently writing an article on collecting cards/memorabilia of baseball's Triple Crown winners and had a couple of questions for you regarding cards of these particular players (see list below). If you have the time to answer the following questions, I would greatly appreciate it. If you are interested in talking by phone, please let me know. Thank you for your time. Best, Stan Carlberg Triple Crown Winners: Tip O'Neill, St. Louis; Hugh Duffy, Boston; Nap Lajoie, Philadelphia; Ty Cobb, Detroit; Rogers Hornsby, St. Louis; Rogers Hornsby, St. Louis; JimmieFoxx, Philadelphia; Chuck Klein, Philadelphia; Lou Gehrig, New York; Joe Medwick, St. Louis; Ted Williams, Boston; Ted Williams, Boston; Mickey Mantle, New York; Frank Robinson, Baltimore; Carl Yastrzemski, Boston. 1. In doing my research, I=E2=99ve come up with some of the most sought after, scarce, or hard-to-find cards of each Triple Crown winner. Please review the following list and let me know if you have any unique stories (e.g. their scarcity, highest selling price, have you ever sold them, should other cards be added to this list, etc.). * Lajoie =E2=93 1934 Goudey (106) * Cobb =E2=93 1909-1911 T206 Ty Cobb (with Ty Cobb back) and 1911 M131 Baltimore News Series * Hornsby =E2=93 1923 Lections (3) * Foxx =E2=93 1934 Goudey (1) * Klein =E2=93 1933 Butter Cream R306 (14) * Gehrig =E2=93 1933 Delong (7) and 1934 Al Demaree Die-cuts (9) * Medwick =E2=93 1934 Al Demaree Die-cuts (128) * Williams =E2=93 1954 Wilson Franks (20); 1954 Bownman (66a) Mantle =E2=93 1961 Topps Dice Game (8) * F. Robinson =E2=93 1961 Topps Dice Game (15) * Yastrzemski =E2=93 1967 Topps Stand-Ups (21) 2. Would you happen to know the highest prices any of these cards have sold 3. What are the most oddball/scarce cards any of these players have appeared on? If so, please provide a list." I've sent him a list of Topps oddballs for Mantle, F. Robby and Yaz but haven't a clue on the 30's guys. I quote from what I told him on the Toppsissues: "There is also the possibility any player in the 1967 poster insert set appears in a mini-sticker version of the poster as well. That would be a pretty scarce item. There are also some stamps of Yaz's Topps cards in the 70's which I think are bootlegs and some other "proof" yaz items from Topps that may never have been issued or even tested. There could also be a 1976 Topps test issue on clear plastic for Yaz. I only track Topps cards these days and do not normally monitor prices of the really rare items. I believe a 67 Topps Standup Mantle just sold for about $15,000 (it's in an ad in the latest BVC). The 61 Dice game has three known Mantles I think, making it rarer than the standups. A similar number of Robby's should exist. While not a card, the 68 Plaks of each player might be among the rarest--you never see those. The 66 Punchout test issue of Yaz is also extremely rare (not the more common 67) with only one known (he shares the card with Koufax). That issue is not checklisted anywhere but I have a SCD ad from 1992 picturing the card in a Robert Edward auction." If you can help this guy out, please send me an e-mail. Thanks, ================= Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 23:09:59 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Quite a day for e-mail gang. The co-author of American Tobacco Cards sent me this, which has a lot of good things on T-cards. I'm sure a few of you will find this interesting. I sent him a note back that explains obc, among other things. His book is really great, btw--I think Amazon still sells it. It does not have the baseball issues in it though. "Hi! I'm Bob Forbes, Co-author of "American Tobacco Cards: Price Guide & Checklist". I stumbled across your website while surfing today & greatly enjoyed your T Card Primer. I have been doing some work on the T200-group (T200-T235) as part of our next book (if we ever finally get it done!). I have a couple of info items for you: 1. T231 - Fans - The factory number for this series matches the factory for the T85 Movie Star series - this was a Tobacco Products Corporation issue. The TPC was one of the few remaining independents left after Duke went on his buying spree in forming the trust. The T85's were also issued in the 1922-23 range. I have not found any info on "Fans Cigarettes" but then again I wasn't particularly looking for any! Will have to go back through some of my reference books to see if it appears at all. My guess is that it might have been a lower seller to the Strollers brand or had limited distribution. Your theory that these might have been sent in for a contest is certainly viable. 2. Factory Numbers: were listed on cards from around 1905 (+/- a year or two) to sometime into the early 1930's. I believe that this was in response to some kind of Federal govt mandate, law, or regulation. General rule is that if an item has a factory number it is an early 20th Cent. issue - can't quite say the opposite, though. Some items were issued in packages (cellophane or paper) (leather issues) or secured to the tobacco package with paper tape (many flannel issues). These packages or tape had the factory number listed. Therefore, once this packaging was removed the item no longer could be traced to the factory. In general, premium items don't bear any factory numbers, either. Therefore, items without factory numbers may or may not have been 19th Cent. issues...... (you have do date them from some other source) I have done some work at tying the factory numbers with the various companies - this helps in dating some issues. For example - Factory 30, 2nd dist NY went to the reduced ATC after the trust was broken up in 1911. Factory 25, Va went to Liggett & Myers. Therefore, any issue with both factories included would have to be pre-breakup. (same goes for brands - Sweet Caporal stayed with reduced ATC, Piedmont went to L&M, etc.) RE: orphans w/o factory designations - The B18's were issued with paper strips w/ factory nos. around envelopes holding the flannel. C46 was Canadian ITC issue, Diaz was Cuban & hence no factory number required (based on my Govt regulation theory), H801, L1, T3, T4, T5, S81 were all premiums so didn't need factory number. Pins, PX-2's may have been issued in envelopes (not sure - not my area of interest), Helmar stamps came in glassine envelopes w/ factory number. Denby is a post card issue that probably fell under different rules. In general, I have found that if the item was distributed with a tobacco product, it had a factory number (1905-1930's items), if not distributed w/ tob. it didn't. RE: Overprints - based on govt reg theory - the cards were produced at a cental location (ATC Trust Premium dept) - backs were printed according to the amount needed at each factory. Due to shifts in production of a brand (many were produced at more than one factory) or oversupply of particular factory backs, some cards were overprinted to change factory numbers. I don't believe any of the factories were involved in printing their own backs - at best this would have been contracted out locally to a printing firm. Hope this is of value to you! Bob Forbes" ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 11:23:27 EDT Subject: OKAY...I CANT TYPE AND TALK To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Howard was kind enought to point out that I MEANT serious blackjack....not serious black women (I was talking and typing at the same time)...will the embarassment of this years vegas trip never end...first Crystal wins half-rubber, then the lounge act, now this...sheesh ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:22:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OKAY...I CANT TYPE AND TALK From: "alcattle" Only Howard would pick up on a odd slang word like that. We all picked up on the push up gesture though. And to think, Joshua used to be a nice clean minded kid, now look what OBC has done to him. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > Howard was kind enought to point out that I MEANT serious > serious black women (I was talking and typing at the same time)...will the > embarassment of this years vegas trip never end...first Crystal wins half-rubber, > then the lounge act, now this...sheesh > -joshua ================= To: Subject: Annika Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 18:35:55 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Yes, there was some controversy...but heck, what a class act. ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 21:52:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Annika To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:04:52 EDT Subject: V03 recap To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Greetings gang, This may turn out to be a little long, unlike many of my more recent notes. If you intend to read through to the end, please make the necessary preparations now. My weekend started on Thursday morning around 6AM. I had the previous night off from work, in order to make last minute preparations (look at a few wantlists, etc.) I packed at the last minute as usual and drove to Rochester, NH to visit my parents, who were taking me to the airport in Manchester. (Flights out of Logan were too expensive this year.) It's an hour drive there, plus another hour from there to the airport, but I made my flight with plenty of time to spare. The added security was present, but passengers were not. In fact, I think I was at the gate before my parents made it out of the airport and onto the highway. My connecting flight was in Atlanta, which probably wasn't the most direct route, but compared to the trip home, I'd take it in a second. Arrived at Harrah's in Vegas at about 8PM local time (note: I opted not to wait for Al at the airport this time, which probably saved me an hour.) I threw my bag in the room and since Steve wasn't around to talk to (he left a note that he was at the Sahara) I decided that I'd look to see if there was any gambling to be done. As luck would have it, I found some casino type games on the first floor of the hotel! Twelve hours later, I figured I had lost enough money and returned to the room. I grabbed a two hour power nap and headed over to the Ribfest with Steve, via Josh and Todd. The ribs were fantastic as usual. There seemed to be a lot more meat on them, which kept my total down from other years, but I probably ate too many. I ended up on the couch for a couple hours after playing half rubber. My only complaint despite this was that it seemed every bug in the insect kingdom decided to visit Mike's back yard that night. The half rubber game was exciting, as we took turns pelting Josh's car with base hits. The highlights were a mammoth shot by Todd Knowles that went about a mile ...and two miles to the left and Crystal winning the game by tattooing Josh's pitching just before it got dark. I think a couple of her hits even employed Jedi mind tricks. This is probably testimony towards Rick's abilities as a hitting coach, but I would NOT recommend utilizing him as a pitching coach. Other game notes - Geno Wagner is the best catcher out there... until it really counts. Actually, it's really difficult getting a good catcher. It's a lot harder than it looks. The annual trip to Railroad Pass was somewhat profitable for me this time. It was one of the few times I came out on the plus side at the tables that weekend. An early morning awaited us, so I grabbed four or five hours sleep before the golf game, bringing my weekend total to around 7 hours. The annual excuse breakfast was entertaining and several people presented their cases very well, but alas no strokes were awarded (not a great shock). George's acute case of osteobogeyitis may have marked a breakthrough in medical research of rare afflictions, but it was not enough to sway the commissioner to give him any strokes. My excuse was denied due to the physics of air temperature/pressure differences between the dairy case and Las Vegas. So, as in every year prior to this, all the teams went into the game even... well, about as even as a random draw will get you. Things were looking good for my team of Ray Luurs, Doug Smith, Steve Rittenberg and myself after the first hole. Each of the four players made a shot on the hole, but sadly that was probably the highlight for our group. Doug's game accounted for a very healthy portion of the shots we took. I kept myself from being a complete albatross by making a putt once in a while, but my contributions were few and far between. We did play just well enough to stay out of the cellar, as Rick's team captured the bottom spot again to keep his streak of futility alive for another season. Saturday afternoon at the ESPN Zone (New York New York Casino) was the scene for a huge lunch gathering of the OBC Vegas visitors. Rick bought the first round and I had a tasty salad as I watched my horse finish dead last in the Preakness. After that, it was on to the Morganti Challenge - so dubbed as I suggested the idea in place of the minor league baseball game. I didn't realize I'd have so much to organize and coordinate though. Anyway, after realizing that there is no Industrial Ave in Vegas, the participants found there way to Scandia - a family fun center next door to I-15 for the event. Groups were formed and a long day of putting over hills and up ramps ensued. My group of three (the only one as the others all had four players) comprised of Geordie, Denise and myself. My putting game remained solid from the morning's 'practice' and I hauled away a good sized share of the cards in our pool. Unfortunately, that means that I ended up winning most of my own cards back. I hope this becomes a tradition, so we can refine the rules a bit (make them easier to understand) and hopefully make it even more fun. Saturday night we all gathered at the Ellison room for a 1st anniversary party. Before that, I taught Geordie how to play pai gow poker and we made $13.50 between us (I won the 13 and he grabbed the 50). The party was a great time where I really got to just hang out and relax... and there was cake: BONUS!! Went back to the hotel with Steve via Peter Iversen and got a couple more hours sleep. Woke up early Sunday and wandered downstairs to see if the casino was still holding any tables open, even though they already had a great deal of my money. Unfortunately, there was still lots of gambling to be found, but I ran into a great deal of luck - all bad. I finally had enough and went up to the room to check out. Steve had already left for the card shop on wheels, so I called him to see if I could get a ride there. He sent Peter to pick me up where he had dropped us off the night before. Unfortunately due to a miscommunication, that was not where I was waiting for him. A second phone call got me to the card shop for a last second purchase of tall boys for my hoop set and we made our way over to Hooters for the closing ceremonies. After downing some tasty buffalo shrimp and a salad, I hooked up with Geordie to get dropped off at the airport on his way home. This is where the adventure really begins... My flight was supposed to connect in Cincinnati and then onto Manchester for a 1AM arrival (the last flight into Manchester). About an hour into the flight, the stewardess comes on the PA on the plane, "We are making an unscheduled stop in Colorado Springs due to a medical emergency." Apparently a woman in the back of the plane was having a heart attack or something. We land and the EMT's and firemen come aboard, work on the woman and eventually take her off the plane. Please note that the air conditioning on this particular aircraft doesn't function unless the engines are running, so it was getting hot (again - it was sweltering when we first boarded, but it cooled off a bit once we were in the air). The front and back doors to the plane were opened while a new flight plan was filed and more gas was found. (For some reason, there seemed to be some difficulty finding jet fuel at an airport.) Now we're taxiing back for takeoff when the captain comes on again, "For legal reasons, we need someone from the FCC to sign the log book." ...Not that anyone had the time to do that in the hour and a half we were on the ground! OK, so another 30 minutes or so go by and we're finally in the air. I've long since missed my connecting flight in Cincinnati and by the time we land, it's around midnight and the airport is all but closed completely. Worse yet, is that my parents have just left the house in NH to pick me up at an airport I will not be arriving at tonight. I get in touch with my sister, who has their cell phone number, which doesn't make a difference anyway - they didn't turn it on. I tell her to leave a message on the cell and another at the house for when they get back. I leave a message there too when I arrive at the hotel (in Kentucky) - which the airline provided free along with a new itinerary. The next morning, I miss the shuttle bus back to the airport and split a cab with three others instead of waiting a half hour for the next bus. My connection is in LaGuardia after a two hour layover and I arrive in NH at 2:30 in the afternoon, just shy of 24 hours after I left (with the time change added in). Then, an hour to my parent's, an hour home, a softball game and an eight hour shift at work later, I'm ready to get a nap and maybe unpack after that. I'm still catching up. Can't wait to do it all again next year though. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:25:46 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 recap To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: tply@aol.com Ken - I prepared a cold beverage before I started reading (good thing)! The "Rambling" was very entertaining and after reading it I am sure you are the odds on favorite to win the whinning award next year that will be presented at the excuse breakfast. Actually I think you had it locked before you wrote your message as many of us wittnessed some mild whinning about a "Ringer" team while in Vegas. Be well my friend and we will see you next year! ================= Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 23:33:44 EDT Subject: V03 2 fers To: 50-60cards@utah-inter.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com V03 Twofers Two guys who could be good at golf if they practiced more: 1. Geno 2. Todd Two New traditions 1. The Morganti challenge 2. Team photos Two who hula hooped so the rest of us could eat at Hooters 1. Doug - he still has it! 2. Rick - did he ever have it? Two golf shots that didn't go as planned 1. Geno's bank shot on #1 (although we did use it as our drive) 2. Steve's tee shot on #7 - a new version of the Glickman hook. Two golf rookies 1. Todd Knowles 2. Geno Wagner Two more golf Rookies 1. Ray Luurs 2. Geordie Calvert Two rookies who didn't play golf 1. Brett Domue 2. Kit Okamura Rookie of the year 1. Kairi Garrett (my grand daughter) 2. Nobody else was close! Two golf excuses that ALMOST got strokes 1. George Hay's "doctor's letter". 2. Ken Morganti's "yogurt shoulder" (previously wrongly reported as "yogurt Two who may have the local police on their tail 1. George Hay for impersonating a doctor 2. Joel Glickman for assault on a slot machine Two who you want to sit next to gambling 1. Dave Kolenda 2. Ken Morganti Two who brought enough card to open a shop 1. Steve Rittenberg 2. Kit Okamura Two who have slimmed down and look great! 1. Joel Glickman 2. Dave Kolenda Two who haven't slimmed down 1. Mike Hair 2. Rick Ellison But then, if you have good tools, you need to build a shed over them so they don't get rusty Two who you want to party with 1. Geno 2. Todd Two who you don't want to get horse racing tips from 1. Ken 2. Mike Two missing Joes 1. Joe Cerullo (next year Joe!) 2. Neighbor Joe (did I mention he has a pool?) Two Mantles I bought 1. 62 Mantle -- $50 from Steve Rittenberg 2. 66 Mantle-- $20 from Playball ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: very funny story Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:59:32 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Guys (and gals), Today Marina and I went to a neighborhood yard/garage sale. Marina collects costume jewelry and I, well you know what I collect. Usually, these garage sales are extreme long shots at finding any baseball/football cards, yet alone vintage stuff. Well, at the last home we went to, I saw an 800 ct box on the table and I darted right for the table. It was a sunny day (at the time) so I kept my sunglasses on. The homeowner, who was sitting next to this table, said that the box was full of card holders. Oh well, so much for the excitement. But, here's the rest of the story..... The homeowner asked me if I knew anything about baseball cards because they did not have a clue. It a good thing I kept my glasses on because I said with a doubtful tone "very little". His wife then came running up and said that they had a couple cards that they didn't know how much they were worth and she asked me if I would take a look at them. I then said "I don't know if I can help you, but I'll look at them". She came out of the house with 3 cards, 2 Mantles and an autographed gold plated card of Cal Ripken. The Mantles were '96 reprints from '52 Topps and '53 Bowman. She checked ebay but there were pages of auctions with no bids so they did not have a clue. I told them that I couldn't tell them how much they were worth, but instead I asked them "How much do you want for them!!!!" They said they were not selling them....they are keeping them in hopes in making big money when ebay is coming back. Good luck dreamers!!! Then they said they are sorting through more cards and plan to have another garage sale in July and have some "really old cards" for sale. Keep in mind my glasses are still on (otherwise they would have seen my eyes triple in size!). I was sweating and the heartbeat was up. The anxiety at the possibility of buying some undiscovered treasure was unbearable. I asked how old the cards are. When I heard the answer, which was "from 1988 Donruss", I didn't know whether to laugh or cry! The homeowners were in their early '20s, so 1988 is definite vintage for them! Man, what a bubbleburst that was. So much for those darn old cards. Maybe next time. Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= To: Subject: Funny Stories Date: Sat, 24 May 2003 19:02:09 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Joe, that WAS good...it brought back memories for me...while we are on the subject of stories... This past weekend I was helping my buddy Ed (the guy whose '53 set was just finished by Mr. Rittenberg) clean up his office, sorting out his plumbing shop that has more sports stuff than copper pipe. Ed has provided housing for Vancouver Canadians players (Single A now, used to be Triple A) for a few years...gives them cheap rent, gets free season tix. Dick Phillips used to be the Manager of the C's, and he and Ed got to be quite good friends. Ed actually gave Dick his '64 rookie card, which thrilled him to bits. Dick told Ed this story: Many years ago, Mickey Mantle and Billy Martin were on a hunting trip to a place they had hunted before. When they got there, there was a fresh sign up, saying No Hunting. Mickey went to the farmer's house and asked if they could hunt anyways. The farmer remembered him, and gave him the go ahead, but asked for a favor. He had a sick cow that was beyond hope, and he asked Mickey to put it out of its' misery before they set off on their hunt. So Mickey went outside, and shot the cow. Billy asked "What are you doing???" Mickey told him the farmer said it was okay. Billy apparently dropped 4 or 5 more cows before he could be stopped. I have no way of knowing if this story is true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Dick Phillips passed away about 3 years ago, and his main haunt also happens to be my favorite pub in Vancouver. He told a lot of great stories there. ================= Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:48:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Ebay Experience - Psychology of Bidding From: "jimbo777777" Recently, I put some Avalon Hill boxing game cards on ebay. I picked them up as a throw-in on another lot that I bought. Not being interested in the game, I tossed them onto to ebay. I'd rather have somebody enjoy them, rather than let them sit on my shelf. I had no idea what they were worth, so I started them at $6.15, no reserve. Nobody was interested, no bidders. Fine, say I, let's try 'em at $3, just to get them off the shelf. The bidding is up to $8 now. Nobody wanted them at $6, but when somebody else wanted them at $3, that apparently increased the desirability? Go figure. The psychology of bidding, ya gotta love it!!! :-) ================= To: Subject: adding new set Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 08:30:12 -0700 From: "terry ellis" good morning . I am adding 1960 topps to my list. any help would be appreciated , thanks kit okamuro ================= To: jimbo777777@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Ebay Experience - Psychology of Bidding Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 20:58:37 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" That always amazes me. When I was selling T206s and T205s with some frequency, I would sometimes start them off at $10, sometimes at a buck. Almost without fail, the ones I started at a buck would go higher. I used to think that it worked that way because people placed bids so that the item would be listed in "My eBay," but now that My eBay has the "Watch" list, I don't think as many people are placing bids for that purpose. But the psychology still works the same way. Strange. I think the really important thing to discover is "when the rich people are browsing." :) I've repeatedly listed something for x dollars, had it not sell, then relisted it in a fixed price listing for 1.5x dollars, and had it sell the second time. If only I knew who those people were, and their browsing habits... then I could, uh, buy more cards! Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com From: "jimbo777777" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Ebay Experience - Psychology of Bidding Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 10:48:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 65.110.139.57 Received: from n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.107]) by mc9-f24.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Sun, 25 May 2003 03:52:10 -0700 Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n39.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 10:48:30 -0000 Received: (qmail 60410 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 10:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 May 2003 10:48:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.71) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2003 10:48:26 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.142] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 May 2003 10:48:26 -0000 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jEHjJx36Oi8+Q1OJDRSDidP X-Sender: jimbo777777@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-Yahoo-Profile: jimbo777777 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2003 10:52:10.0549 (UTC) Recently, I put some Avalon Hill boxing game cards on ebay. I picked them up as a throw-in on another lot that I bought. Not being interested in the game, I tossed them onto to ebay. I'd rather have somebody enjoy them, rather than let them sit on my shelf. I had no idea what they were worth, so I started them at $6.15, no reserve. Nobody was interested, no bidders. Fine, say I, let's try 'em at $3, just to get them off the shelf. The bidding is up to $8 now. Nobody wanted them at $6, but when somebody else wanted them at $3, that apparently increased the desirability? Go figure. The psychology of bidding, ya gotta love it!!! :-) The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:51:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Chats From: "mikesportsfan" A few months back, Grant organized what was suppose to be regular times for OBC chats on Sunday and Tueday nites at 7:00 est (maybe 8:00 I do not remember). For a while there we regularly would have a dozen members in a chat at once, with folks dropping in and out, it was not unusual to have been in a chat with 15 or mopre folks during the nite. Lately, virtually no one has signed on to chat. I do not know if this is a sign of the weather getting nicer, time of year - graduations, etc., other things that keep folks busy, or a lack of interest in the chats. I personally often sign on Sunday and/or tuesday nites for the chats. Tonite, I did not expect folks to be on- line due to the holiday weekend. It has been commonplace in the chats, besides getting to know each other better and swap views on sports and life in general, to have cards be offered up. A few times folks have listed cards they need to finish sets and received immediate responses of help to their plea. Although I do not guarantee to be on-line next Sunday, June 1 (afterall their is a F.O.O.T. (Fraternal Order of Tiger Fans) gathering during the day (Card show and Tigers vs. Yankees with Clemens scheduled to pitch - possibly for his 300th)), if I am I plan on offering up some cards during the chat. Nothing spectacular, but some oddball items, that are harder to find than they are rare or expensive. I hope many of you will join me next Sunday. This is being done to try and draw folks to the chat. If we see you are on-line we will invite you in. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:26:41 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: Rick From: Lynn Miller Hi Gang, OK, did I miss something? I've been waiting to hear more about the proposal/s to do something for Rick's kids and also his collection. There were a couple of things mentioned early on but I haven't heard anymore. I know I'm not going to say this right for some of you listening. But for me this is personal. Rick was a very good friend, whom obviously I only met through OBC like the rest of you. He had a lot to do (I learned later) with the group helping me in time of need. A lot of you knew him also as a good and great guy. I'm sorry I don't know the history of Kevin Lohse who also passed away while a member. I know his name is still associated with the website though. I'd like to keep Rick's wantlist up there in the hopes of still trying to complete it for his kids, if Roberta wants that. It should be her decision, if that is acceptable to the OBCAC and the group as a whole. As for as a fundraiser, I looked forward to the option of an auction. I could suggest my own format. I have "some" dupes that will always find an OBC home. They are always giveaways. Well perhaps we could hold an "OBC only" auction. Instead of lising FCFS availables. List them as "availables at any cost". Let the buyer determine the price whether it's $1 for 100 cards or $100 for half a card :-) and still be FCFS. And the seller be happy with that and still pay the postage just as if he were sending them that way anyway. All proceeds for the cards go to the kids fund. I know it sounds too simple and perhaps it is because I may not have considered every aspect. But that's the point, keep it simple, fun and yet so rewarding. What do you say? Whatever the outcome, I still plan to do something but it would be better if we could all get in this together. Thanks for listening, Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 25 May 2003 22:28:50 EDT Subject: Priceless set from the 90's To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jceru8600@aol.com Hello OBC mates, Now you're probably thinking I've lost my mind, but there is a set from the 90's that is very much priceless. Take a look at the scans and let me know if you agree. take care, Joe Cerullo ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:08:07 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick To: lynnm@piol.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Lynn, as always, has a point here and the AC needs to act NOW! We had a chat session tonight and we actually mentioned the fact we haven't done enough for Rick's family before we read Lynn's message! Why can't the funds in our treasury match the donations up to $1000.00 (we have twice or more than that now) or the AC establish an auction to go towards a fund for Rick's children, or come up with another idea? So far, I think that less than $500.00 has been sent and that is not enough! We can and have done better! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 00:13:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Chats To: mikesportsfan From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey Mike,

    I just got my IM set up back up running and I have logged on (albeit late) the past two sundays and this past Tuesday.  A few of us got to chatting but nothing like the earlier chats in the year.  I haven't quite figured out my plans for the coming weekend,  As you know I will be at the Tiger game on Friday night as it is Polish-American night and my daughter will be dancing on the field in the pre-game festivities as a member of the Zamek Dancers (a polish folk dance troupe).  This is the 6th year in a row that we will be involved in this event and one that I always look forward to.  Another game 2 days later may be pushing it but I'm trying to work out the details.
    As for the chat Sunday night - I'll join ya and I'll pull out some "oddball" stuff to give ya a run for the money.  Got to go - BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
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mikesportsfan wrote:

 A few months back, Grant organized what was suppose to be regular
times for OBC chats on Sunday and Tueday nites at 7:00 est (maybe
8:00 I do not remember).  For a while there we regularly would have a
dozen members in a chat at once, with folks dropping in and out,
was not unusual to have been in a chat with 15 or mopre folks during
the nite.  Lately, virtually no one has signed on to chat.  I do not
know if this is a sign of the weather getting nicer, time of year
graduations, etc., other things that keep folks busy, or a lack
interest in the chats.  I personally often sign on Sunday
tuesday nites for the chats.  Tonite, I did not expect folks to be on-
line due to the holiday weekend.
It has been commonplace in the chats, besides getting to know each
other better and swap views on sports and life in general, to have
cards be offered up.  A few times folks have listed cards they need
to finish sets and received immediate responses of help to their
Although I do not guarantee to be on-line next Sunday, June 1
(afterall their is a F.O.O.T. (Fraternal Order of Tiger Fans)
gathering during the day  (Card show and Tigers vs. Yankees
Clemens scheduled to pitch - possibly for his 300th)), if I am I plan
on offering up some cards during the chat.  Nothing spectacular,
some oddball items, that are harder to find than they are rare
expensive.  I hope many of you will join me next Sunday.
This is being done to try and draw folks to the chat.  If we see you
are on-line we will invite you in.
Mike Rich
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================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 05:12:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Rick From: "alcattle" The outcry is well meaning, the support is there, and I have heard that the auction is being setup. Things move slow in people's busy lives, other things are, shall we say, misplaced. There was more to do for Rick and it will be. As for giving away the treasury, it was discussed and rejected. We can look at other options also. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@a... wrote: > OBC, > Lynn, as always, has a point here and the AC needs to act NOW! We had a chat > session tonight and we actually mentioned the fact we haven't done enough for > Rick's family before we read Lynn's message! > Why can't the funds in our treasury match the donations up to $1000.00 (we > have twice or more than that now) or the AC establish an auction to go towards a > fund for Rick's children, or come up with another idea? > So far, I think that less than $500.00 has been sent and that is not enough! > We can and have done better! > Trips ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 01:22:19 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rick To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 05/25/2003 10:13:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alcattle@earthlink.net writes: > As for giving away the treasury, it was > discussed and rejected. Al and AC Nobody is advocating giving away the treasury. It is suggested that the OBC Treasury MATCH the funds raised by the membership (up to $1000). I would like to respectfully request that the OBCAC vote on the proposal that the OBC Treasury match the funds raised by the membership for the purpose of the Rick Redpath Fund in an amount not to exceed $1,000. As time is of the essence, I would also request that they do so by June 1. I personally cannot imagine a better use for the funds. Rest well, ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 03:04:43 EDT Subject: Auction To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com OK gang, I don't think this is the type of thing the AC was put in place to take care of -- this should be taken care of by the membership as a whole. I guess it's time for someone to step up to the plate and spearhead this project. Doug Smith ran the last auction of this kind, but his schedule has him busy until at least Sept. Since I'm now done with vacations and time off until the Nationals in July, I'm ready for the challenge (I hope). There's a few things I want to deal with first: 1) I'm not set up for Paypal, but there's a couple people that would probably step in to take payments on my behalf. 2) I've sold less than 5 cards on eBay since I've been a member, most of those were several years ago. I'll need help with suggestions on how to word the auctions so I don't annoy too many people with a vague description or not listing out all the options for the buyer. 3) Perhaps some of the banker types in the group can give some advice on how to A) invest and/or B) hand over the proceeds so it's to the Redpath's greatest benefit. (i.e., trust fund, setting up a scholarship, bonds, or just writing a big check) Here's my proposal (note: this is independent of my position on the AC. I'm taking matters into my own hands. You don't think I'm up at 3AM thinking about the strawberry yogurt I'm stocking, do you?) Unlike the last auction for Kevin's kids, this will be a regular eBay auction. Most of the bidding on the last one was 'in house' with very few cards leaving the group. I know we'll probably end up winning most of the lots back, but I want to open up the possibility of someone else chipping in to help the cause. I will now accept donations to be auctioned off beginning June 25th (a random date I just pulled out of thin air, but it'll give you a month to send your cards in.) I would expect to be reimbursed by the OBC treasury for any insertion and final value fees from eBay (my Paypal proxy should get reimbursed as well for any Paypal fees). Shipping will be paid for by the buyer, so no need for any compensation on that. I remember one of the lots in the last auction was just for straight out donations - you wouldn't get anything for bidding on the lot other than a really good feeling. Since eBay probably wouldn't let me get away with just asking for pledges, in place of this lot I'm thinking about adding a special dutch auction. You will be allowed to bid on some of my dupes in $5 increments. You will NOT win a card worth anywhere near $5. (This will be clearly stated in the auction.) For example, a single $5 'Buy it Now' purchase will land you a 1978 Ron Hodges with rounded corners (and trust me, I have a TON of these to give away for five bucks each ) Maybe a special write-up or a link to Rick's (or someone else's) webpage will let everyone outside OBC know the reason behind these auctions. As far as keeping Rick's lists up and continuing to complete his sets, I'm not a big fan of this idea. First, I think if we follow through on the auction like I know we're capable, that in itself will be enough to honor his memory. Second, I think the cards were a source of great enjoyment for RICK himself and not his family or kids, so I don't think finishing off his 1965 set for example would really mean a whole lot to anyone else. I know if it were me, I wouldn't want you guys sending cards to my relatives. They'd just as soon use them as coasters anyway. Anyone who wants to put in a few cards can send them to me now. Please mark the envelope "RR" or 'auction' so I won't get confused with the loads of 48-49 Leaf SP's and T205 HOF'ers you might want to send to me PS - please do not send cards from my list to be auctioned off or I'll be forced to shill bid in my own auction - LOL. That's all I have to say for now. Please contact me with any questions, suggestions, concerns, criticisms, objections or offers to help. I'll need it. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:40:55 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Thanks for stepping up to the plate. I'm not sure whether or not the OBCAC should be taking care of this but what really matters is that it gets done. I will be sending a package out to you this week for the auction. I hope everyone does the same. I also guarantee that I will send some big name (non-dup) cards. It will mean more to me to give more than just from my thanks again p.s. $675 has been raised so far for Rick $525 still remains. I propose that this money be combined with the auction proceeds so that one very large donation may be made to Rick's kids. p.p.s. I agree with Ken that sending cards from Rick's wantlist might not be a good idea. I think it would be a bit unsettling for Roberta. I talked to Rick's son IAN at the wake and he does not collect BB cards but does collect MLB Showdown cards. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Guru delivers/trivia x 2 From: keithsummers@webtv.net I rcvd my OBC T-shirts Saturday! I for sure have not been reading "all" the emails lately but I don't remember anyone else saying they got theirs. At any rate thanks to Lynn, Larry & anyone else who had a hand in this project. Larry throws in 2 old Raiders cards & some stickers too! Nice to see the Braves hammer Glavine the other day. He was my least fav starting pitcher over the yrs on the Braves. I didn't like to see Avery or Millwood leave but I think Avery bombed anyway. Glad to see Roger still doing good (300!) I've always liked him but he has played for some of my least fav teams (NY & Toronto). I was going thru an old SI (7-31-00 page 74) & saw some interesting trivia. Enzo Hernandez of the Padres had 549 ABs in 1971 yet only managed 12 RBIs! It mentioned Luis Castillo was on pace for 10 RBIs in 450 ABs (12 in 610ABs). I do not know what he finished the year with. Anyone know? And while we are on trivia a player in the AL was about to break Bobby Bonds 189 Ks record but the mgr said he would NOT allow that to happen. Was it Melvin Nieves? Seems like last I heard he was at 188. Anyway, how did that end? Thanks again Guru :-) ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The National From: Originaleek@webtv.net I just tried the website for the National and it is still closed. Is there another site where we can get info? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:16:52 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Redpath/ OBC hat/ keychains From: keithsummers@webtv.net I agree with Ken M. for sure on the cards for coasters comment & with Bob D. on the unsettling for Roberta comment. I do not agree with the $1000 match proposal. The auction I think is fine. There's my penny's worth :-) Is there anyone (esp if you have sent me stuff) who did not get an OBC hat, that wants one? I like the shirts (I paid for 2) much better plus I never chipped in on the hat deal anyway, so I'd like to fwd it to someone. I also have an extra OBC keychain available as well. LMK! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 09:45:47 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi Ken and all, It is great of you to move forward so boldly, as +it definitely is time to act. I will be sending some stuff this week. As far as wording the eBay auctions, all you have to know is to make the description clear as to what kind of card you are auctioning, be specific on condition, and also be clear as to payment instructions. And as soon as the auction is over, send an invoice/notice via e-mail. I am sure other eBay veterans can chip in with ideas. While I have bought a lot, I have sold only a bit, but from dealing with different buyers, communicating with the winner quickly is definitely the main concern. Hope that helps. P.S. -- What is wrong with thinking about strawberry yogurt, anyway? ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: For Memorial Day, here's a long read... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I wrote this as an article for a recent newsletter. Actuallu, I wrote it twice: the first time last July 4 and the second draft once the Iraq war was underway. I hope it's not out of line with OBC standards to post this as a Rambling. it's one of the articles I'm most proud of. In light of current events, it's time to reflect upon some of the great things unique to us as Americans. Instead of making a big deal about the new baseball season that started on March 30th, many of us are preoccupied by news of the war in Iraq. Many of us are concerned about friends, coworkers and loved ones who are in harms' way because they volunteered to serve our country. This newsletter isn't political in nature, so I'm not going to get into any discussion of current politics, nor am I prepared to delve into lessons of morality. Frankly, I don't want to get return letters blasting me for my political views, because that's not what this newsletter is about. I'm simply pointing out that while U.S. servicemen who make about twenty thousand dollars a year are actively engaged in dangerous wartime activities, it seems tacky that the men who play baseball for a living and get paid a heck of a lot more threaten to strike every few years to make even more. There was a time, however, when many professional ballplayers were willing to take off their spikes and lace up combat boots. Many even gave up prime playing years in order to serve their country. With the physical shape, attention to detail and diligent work necessary to make a serious shot at the big leagues, baseball players are natural candidates for service. A mastery of on-field tactics, leadership and competitive spirit -- all of which can be found around the diamond -- also make for good officer candidates. Interestingly enough, baseball began its popularity because of American soldiers. During the Civil War, Union soldiers played baseball during their encampments, in order to ease the boredom of camp life and to take their minds off of future possible engagements with their Confederate adversaries. After the war ended in 1865, veteran soldiers went back to their homes and took the sport with them. By 1869, the first professional baseball team was playing, and entire leagues were active a few years later. Many of baseball's earliest major league stars were veterans of the Civil War; notably, every major league team until the 1960s was located in a city that had remained in the Union. Fifty years after the end of the War Between the States, another war was raging in Europe and threatening to involve the United States, despite the best efforts of this nation's leadership to stay neutral. Baseball had evolved from a sport into a true national pastime, and many of its players were sons of immigrants from nations involved in the conflict: Germany, Russia, Italy, Austria-Hungary, France, etc. Nonetheless, when the U.S. sided with the Allies in 1917, many of its soldiers were taken from major league teams. At the time, the conflict was called the "World War" or the "Great War," and four million soldiers were quickly mobilized into the American Expeditionary Force. In 1918, the major league season was shortened because so many players had been called for service. Some of baseball's biggest stars were among the men in uniform. Grover Cleveland Alexander was wounded by German artillery in France. Ty Cobb received his commission as a lieutenant in the Army's chemical warfare division. Giant ace Christy Mathewson gave both his career and his health to his country; he was debilitated by mustard gas. Mathewson never played again, and the exposure led to the pulmonary tuberculosis that killed him in 1925. Three major leaguers never had the chance to make it back to the states. Captain Eddie Grant -- who had played on four different National League teams -- was killed in action in the Argonne forest trying to rescue the "Lost Battalion." Troy Bunn of the Detroit Tigers died in the trenches near Pettit Maujouym on October 7, 1918. Finally, former Yankee Alex Burr was killed when the plane he was flying crashed into a lake in Cazeau less than a month before the end of the Not all players were inducted, however. Babe Ruth -- a star pitcher for the Boston Red Sox during those years -- never served. He may have been exempted because of his size, or else simply wasn't drafted. To his credit, he understood his status as an idol among impressionable youth and went on to make many appearances at fundraisers when the next major war came along. After the attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941, the U.S. found itself in another World War. American men and women lined up to volunteer for military service, and many big league ball players joined them. So many players turned in their flannel uniforms for khakis, in fact, there was some talk of stopping games entirely until the war was over. The 1944 All-Star Game was canceled, but the game went on -- although the years 1942-45 saw major league rosters full of players who had been classified "4F" and disqualified for military service. Established players like Hank Greenberg, Joe DiMaggio, Ted Williams and Bob Feller signed up for the war. So did young players like Phil Rizzuto, Yogi Berra and Pee Wee Reese. Many of these players were given non-hazardous jobs so that they would be able to play again; however, some felt duty-bound to serve closer to the front. Warren Spahn served with such distinction he was given a battlefield commission while fighting in Germany. Ted Williams -- with his gifted eyesight -- was a Marine fighter pilot instructor. He was about to be transferred to a combat squadron in the Pacific when the Japanese While many of the game's stars returned and quickly got back to playing form, others weren't so lucky. Cecil Travis was one of the best all-around shortstops in the game in 1941. After getting severe frostbite during the Battle of the Bulge, he wasn't the same when he returned to the Washington Senators in 1946. Two major leaguers never returned from the fighting: USMC lieutenant Harry O'Neill of the Philadelphia A's died fighting at Iwo Jima and bomber pilot Elmer Gedeon of the Senators was shot down over France. When the Korean conflict broke out in 1950, Williams went back to combat duty, flying sorties against Soviet-built MiGs. Joining him as a USMC fighter pilot was Jerry Coleman of the Yankees (who, like Williams, was also a World War II veteran). Also in service at the time were Whitey Ford, Willie Mays, Don Newcombe and others. Mickey Mantle, one of the fastest and most agile players of the era, was disqualified for service because of a leg condition. In 1953, the Korean conflict was halted. While players returned to their teams, young men were still being drafted. As the 1950s wore on, teams began to get certain players into reserve units in order to avoid the risk of otherwise losing them for a couple of seasons while they would have gone on active duty. Teams figured that it would be better to have their players serve in the off-season than lose them when they may be needed for a possible pennant run. In Don Drysdale's autobiography, he tells the story of how he and Sandy Koufax (both training for a reserve unit) were in the chow line during basic training when they were told that the Dodgers were moving to Los Angeles. Before the draft ended in the early 1970s players were still found in the reserves. Nolan Ryan spent a couple of years there early in his career, and so did Thurman Munson. While no major league player has stepped forward to serve in years, one NFL football player (Pat Tillman of the Arizona Cardinals) walked away from a $3.6 million dollar salary after the 2001 season and enlisted in the Army in hopes of becoming a Ranger. Comments by friends and relatives have expressed that Tillman's sense of duty to his country was more important that a desire to profit from his considerable ability; his devotion is admirable today, but not as commonplace as it was in other eras. The Arizona Republic has reported that Tillman recently shipped out and is probably participating in Operation Iraqi Freedom. One of the many things I like about the 1952 Topps set is the written biography on the back. On a lot of the cards, there is some mention of the player having been in the service (and most of them during World War II). Sy Berger of Topps -- a World War II veteran himself -- wrote all of those bios; perhaps he found the time in service worthwhile enough to mention. Before the '52 Topps set, player bios of other sets mentioned military service as well. Hank Greenberg's 1941 Play Ball set mentioned that he had joined the Army (he was drafted prior to Pearl Harbor). There are many cards from 1948 Bowman through the early 1970s that make mention of military service, but after about 1973 the mentions are few. The 1954 Bowman card of Jerry Coleman tells about how he had been flying over Korea. On many Topps cards over the years, little cartoons on card backs mention military or reserve service. The last mention of military service on a card back I remember seeing is in the 1985 Topps set (the card of Texas's Bob Jones states that he had served in Vietnam). Fate only knows what baseball's record books would look like today if some of baseball's best players hadn't been asked to serve. Ty Cobb lost some prime playing time to World War I and may have had more hits than Pete Rose has now. Ted Williams lost seven years through two wars; it has been argued that if he had played those seasons, he would have had 700 homers. Nobody who argues these points will concede that these same players may also have gotten injured during those years, but they still make convincing arguments. However, I'll say that I appreciate Williams and Cobb (and the others) more for putting their country ahead of their own statistics. That's something that can't be said about anybody on current major league rosters. Over the years, a heavy price has been paid for our nation's continued freedom. When the fight was over, many of the soldiers and sailors went back to their civilian lives, and so did the ballplayers. With current events unfolding as they are, it's a good time to reflect upon what our men and women in uniform have done to keep us free, as well as hoping that those who are serving today be able to come home soon. If you've read this far and would like to peruse any of my other articles, I have them available on my website at the following link: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/archive.html Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 08:45:32 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Their new web site it at http://natlconv.com/national/national2003/ -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National > I just tried the website for the National and it is still closed. Is > there another site where we can get info? > We keep what we give away! > EEK > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 26 May 2003 16:03:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Biscuits anyone? From: "obcjohn@knology.net" During the annual Jubilee City Fest in dear ole Mungumry, the owners of the new AA baseball team here announced the name of the team. The owners sponsored a contest in which the public was invited to submit potential names for the new team. The city has dedicated $26 million bucks for a new riverfront stadium, which in light of the bankrupt state of the city and county's budget was a bit incredible. Schools next year are scheduled to lay off 515 people including 280 teachers, all security personnel, a dozen guidance counselors and all extra curricular activities that cost money (yep, all athletic events). With this comforting news in the background, the team owners announced that the name of the new team will be the Montgomery Biscuits. The public outcry has been deafening. I'm not sure how I feel about the name except that I'm trying to figure out what the hell it has to do with Montgomery or the area or anything else. The independent league team that is here now (soon to be deceased by the new team) is called the Wings. That name is at least connected to the city because of the presence of 2 air force bases here (Maxwell and Gunter). My questions for the group is this: 1)What do you think of the name? 2)What reason could someone have for selecting a name so prone to bad puns? 3)Do you know of any other teams (any pro sport) whose name is a food item? 4)do you have any suggestions for bad puns related to biscuits? Think about it: Biscuits fall flat again Biscuits fail to rise to the occasion Biscuits get sopped again Biscuits get buttered Biscuits in a jam again Biscuits turn to jelly Biscuits play flaky as usual Just some food for thought. P.S. You'll never guess what the team mascot and logo are. ================= Date: 26 May 2003 16:07:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Outgoings From: "obcjohn@knology.net" All who requested cards (as well as some who didn't) should be receiving them week. Was out of town most of last week so thanks for the patience on slow delivery. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:46:12 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" I can help with whatever you need, Ken. I can accept Paypal and also have experience in the listing department. June 25th coincides with the end of school, so I will have an entire summer free. Let me know what you need. Brian Dwyer P.S. I tried to send you a direct e-mail but they continued to get bounced. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:04 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction > OK gang, > I don't think this is the type of thing the AC was put in place to take > care of -- this should be taken care of by the membership as a whole. I > it's time for someone to step up to the plate and spearhead this project. > Smith ran the last auction of this kind, but his schedule has him busy until at > least Sept. Since I'm now done with vacations and time off until the > in July, I'm ready for the challenge (I hope). There's a few things I want > deal with first: > 1) I'm not set up for Paypal, but there's a couple people that would > probably step in to take payments on my behalf. > 2) I've sold less than 5 cards on eBay since I've been a member, most of > those were several years ago. I'll need help with suggestions on how to word the > auctions so I don't annoy too many people with a vague description or not > listing out all the options for the buyer. > 3) Perhaps some of the banker types in the group can give some advice on > to A) invest and/or B) hand over the proceeds so it's to the Redpath's > greatest benefit. (i.e., trust fund, setting up a scholarship, bonds, or > writing a big check) > Here's my proposal (note: this is independent of my position on the AC. > taking matters into my own hands. You don't think I'm up at 3AM thinking > the strawberry yogurt I'm stocking, do you?) > Unlike the last auction for Kevin's kids, this will be a regular eBay > auction. Most of the bidding on the last one was 'in house' with very few > leaving the group. I know we'll probably end up winning most of the lots > but I want to open up the possibility of someone else chipping in to help > cause. I will now accept donations to be auctioned off beginning June 25th > random date I just pulled out of thin air, but it'll give you a month to > your cards in.) I would expect to be reimbursed by the OBC treasury for > insertion and final value fees from eBay (my Paypal proxy should get > as well for any Paypal fees). Shipping will be paid for by the buyer, so > need for any compensation on that. I remember one of the lots in the last > was just for straight out donations - you wouldn't get anything for > on the lot other than a really good feeling. Since eBay probably wouldn't > me get away with just asking for pledges, in place of this lot I'm > about adding a special dutch auction. You will be allowed to bid on some of my > dupes in $5 increments. You will NOT win a card worth anywhere near $5. > will be clearly stated in the auction.) For example, a single $5 'Buy it > purchase will land you a 1978 Ron Hodges with rounded corners (and trust me, I > have a TON of these to give away for five bucks each ) Maybe a special > write-up or a link to Rick's (or someone else's) webpage will let everyone > OBC know the reason behind these auctions. > As far as keeping Rick's lists up and continuing to complete his sets, > not a big fan of this idea. First, I think if we follow through on the > auction like I know we're capable, that in itself will be enough to honor > memory. Second, I think the cards were a source of great enjoyment for RICK himself > and not his family or kids, so I don't think finishing off his 1965 set > example would really mean a whole lot to anyone else. I know if it were me, I > wouldn't want you guys sending cards to my relatives. They'd just as soon > them as coasters anyway. > Anyone who wants to put in a few cards can send them to me now. Please > the envelope "RR" or 'auction' so I won't get confused with the loads of > 48-49 Leaf SP's and T205 HOF'ers you might want to send to me PS - please do > not send cards from my list to be auctioned off or I'll be forced to shill > in my own auction - LOL. That's all I have to say for now. Please contact > with any questions, suggestions, concerns, criticisms, objections or offers to > help. I'll need it. TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 16:56:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Biscuits anyone? From: "Ken Morganti" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "obcjohn@k..." The owners sponsored a contest in which the public was invited to submit potential names for the new team. ... the team owners announced that the name of the new team will be the Montgomery Biscuits. My questions for the group is this: 1)What do you think of the name? 2)What reason could someone have for selecting a name so prone to bad 3)Do you know of any other teams (any pro sport) whose name is a food 4)do you have any suggestions for bad puns related to biscuits? My thoughts are... if they were going to hold a contest to decide the new name, how/why'd they pick a lame one like that? Judging by the reaction, it COULDN'T have been a popular choice. Maybe they just picked it out of the dictionary? The closest thing I can think of to a team named after a food item is the Brewers. Are they getting any sponsorship money from Pillsbury? Is there any truth to the rumor that Betty Crocker has been hired as their PR director? The only bad pun I think of with that name is getting 'kicked in the biscuits'... or this one: Biscuits burned by owners Ken M ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National discount tix Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 12:04:27 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Guys -- (at least us non-bigshots who don't get the VIP pass), I just went to the National site Dave had provided, and found that discountdaily admission tickets ($4.95 instead of $12) were being offered through naxcom, an internet trading site. There are apparently about 900 of these tickets left so if you want to buy any, you'd better act fairly soon. I can't vouch for naxcom because I've never dealt with them before, but I bought two tickets, figuring it was worth a shot, and everything seems on the up-and-up. Good luck-- ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Fallen To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Originaleek@webtv.net Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National Their new web site it at http://natlconv.com/national/national2003/ -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National > I just tried the website for the National and it is still closed. Is > there another site where we can get info? > We keep what we give away! > EEK > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:10:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Auction From: "Ken Morganti" Update: OBC Treasurer Doug Smith has agreed to process credit cards and other electronic payments via Paypal. All we need now (aside from cardboard donations and bids) is help setting up a page honoring Rick. I'd like to see something linked to the auction page that will let outsiders know what kind of person Rick was and why we're doing this for his kids... maybe a photo or two as well. I'm hoping it might generate a few donations from the general public. Also some advice from anyone with financial savvy would probably help. I was thinking about using the funds to buy bonds or some other safe investment that would mature when each the kids are ready for college, thus making the gift even more useful than just cutting a check in August would do... or we could split the money up so some helps out right now and the majority is saved. I'm certainly open to suggestions. I'll have to update my mail filter to let your e-mails through. Sorry Brian, Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "toppsrun368" < toppsrun368@p...> wrote: > I can help with whatever you need, Ken. I can accept Paypal and also have > experience in the listing department. June 25th coincides with the end of > school, so I will have an entire summer free. > Let me know what you need. > Brian Dwyer > P.S. I tried to send you a direct e-mail but they continued to get bounced. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:13:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I agree Bama! What does a biscuit have to do with the area or baseball? How about my home town team The Savannah Sand Gnats! I'll bet the team mascot for the biscuits will be called butter milk! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:15:50 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Auction To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I believe Terry Woods handled the bonds or mutual funds when we did this last, perhaps he can help if we can contact him. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 13:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Auction To: From: I made a donation to the fund set up for Rick's kids. It is set up through a bank, so they may already have the process of investing/maturity already worked out. I will get some cards out to you this week. I hope we can show the OBC new guys the way we can come together for projects like this, just as we have done in the past. > Update: OBC Treasurer Doug Smith has agreed to process credit cards and > other electronic payments via Paypal. All we need now (aside from > cardboard donations and bids) is help setting up a page honoring Rick. > I'd like to see something linked to the auction page that will let > outsiders know what kind of person Rick was and why we're doing this > for his kids... maybe a photo or two as well. I'm hoping it might > generate a few donations from the general public. Also some advice from > anyone with financial savvy would probably help. I was thinking about > using the funds to buy bonds or some other safe investment that would > mature when each the kids are ready for college, thus making the gift > even more useful than just cutting a check in August would do... or we > could split the money up so some helps out right now and the majority > is saved. I'm certainly open to suggestions. I'll have to update my mail > filter to let your e-mails through. Sorry Brian, > Ken M > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "toppsrun368" < > toppsrun368@p...> wrote: >> I can help with whatever you need, Ken. I can accept Paypal and also >> have experience in the listing department. June 25th coincides with >> the end of school, so I will have an entire summer free. >> Let me know what you need. >> Brian Dwyer >> P.S. I tried to send you a direct e-mail but they continued to get >> bounced. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:30:28 EDT Subject: New set To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I am adding the 64 Topps coins to by list, as I picked up a few from Ebay. My questions are: How many are there? How do you (or do you) put them in a binder? What is a fair price on Ebay? (commons, stars, etc.) Are there any tough ones? Thanks for the help Rest well, ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 15:32:06 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 05/26/2003 9:07:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, obcjohn@knology.net writes: > the team owners announced > that the name of the new team will be the Montgomery Biscuits In a related news item, the Pillsbury Dough Boy was named manager ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New set Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 17:24:58 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" There is 164 coins total in the set, 120 regular issue plus 44 all star coins for a total of 164 coins. There are 2 variations each of the Mantle,Causey, and Hinton coins among the all star subset. I store mine in coin collector pages designed for 20 silver dollars per page. It works great. You can find these at any coin shop. I have never bought them on Ebay, but watch the condition of the edges, because they can be corroded, and rusty very easily. The variations can be tough to get, and wouldn't you know it, it would have to be a Mantle. I may have some help for you, do you have a wants list posted? Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 2:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New set I am adding the 64 Topps coins to by list, as I picked up a few from Ebay. My questions are: How many are there? How do you (or do you) put them in a binder? What is a fair price on Ebay? (commons, stars, etc.) Are there any tough ones? Thanks for the help Rest well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:49:04 -0400 To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Only the Devil Rays. Only a team affiliated with the Devil Rays would come up with something like Biscuits as a nickname. A Federal League team was nicknamed the Brooklyn Tip-Tops, after the brand of bread. Not generic like the Biscuits, whose mascot is Mo (Mo Biscuits? who wants Mo Biscuits ...?) Silly name. Silly logo. Expensive apparel on the team's Web site store. Lots of puns. "Now here comes the first Biscuit to the plate ...'', "hey, butter, butter up'') I am hoping though, that the team will be competitive, since they could be Rays some day, where they could come to the major-league circus here in Tampa Bay. ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 20:49:32 -0400 To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Only the Devil Rays. Only a team affiliated with the Devil Rays would come up with something like Biscuits as a nickname. A Federal League team was nicknamed the Brooklyn Tip-Tops, after the brand of bread. Not generic like the Biscuits, whose mascot is Mo (Mo Biscuits? who wants Mo Biscuits ...?) Silly name. Silly logo. Expensive apparel on the team's Web site store. Lots of puns. "Now here comes the first Biscuit to the plate ...'', "hey, butter, butter up'') I am hoping though, that the team will be competitive, since they could be Rays some day, where they could come to the major-league circus here in Tampa Bay. ================= Date: 27 May 2003 00:59:45 -0000 To: bdangelo@aol.com, obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Bob, I didn't want to bring up the team's parentage but one has to wonder whether the same level of competence seen at the ML level will emerge at At yeast Montgomery now has a team. On Mon, 26 May 2003 20:49:04 -0400, bdangelo@aol.com wrote : > Hi gang, > Only the Devil Rays. Only a team affiliated with the Devil Rays would come up with something like Biscuits as a nickname. A Federal League team was nicknamed the Brooklyn Tip-Tops, after the brand of bread. Not generic like the Biscuits, whose mascot is Mo (Mo Biscuits? who wants Mo Biscuits ...?) > Silly name. Silly logo. Expensive apparel on the team's Web site store. Lots of puns. "Now here comes the first Biscuit to the plate ...'', "hey, butter, butter up'') I am hoping though, that the team will be competitive, since they could be Rays some day, where they could come to the major-league circus here in Tampa Bay. > Bob > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:19:28 -0400 To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? From: bdangelo@aol.com I am betting (and hoping) that Montgomery's management is much better the the parent club. Good luck on your new team! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:19:54 -0400 To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? From: bdangelo@aol.com I am betting (and hoping) that Montgomery's management is much better the the parent club. Good luck on your new team! ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:45:33 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? To: BDAngelo@aol.com, obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com In a message dated 5/26/2003 5:50:57 PM Pacific Standard Time, bdangelo@aol.com writes: > Silly name. Silly logo. Expensive apparel on the team's Web site store. > Lots of puns. "Now here comes the first Biscuit to the plate ...'', "hey, > butter, butter up'') I am hoping though, that the team will be competitive, since > they could be Rays some day, where they could come to the major-league circus > here in Tampa Bay. > Bob Bob shouldn't that be Dough and not though? ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:53:30 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: biscuit headlines From: keithsummers@webtv.net The day after they are mathematically eliminated: "BISCUITS ARE DONE!" or "TOASTED AGAIN!" ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] biscuit headlines Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:20:10 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" Did anyone mention the headline after a multi-game winning streak? "Biscuits are on a roll!" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] biscuit headlines > The day after they are mathematically eliminated: > "BISCUITS ARE DONE!" or > "TOASTED AGAIN!" > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:26:50 EDT Subject: Check out eBay Seller List: hyee@mindspring.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: sassyrock@aol.com Many of you know how fond of old baseball photos. I try and collect old wire photo originals, and magizines, books and articles...I stumbled onto this while surfing ebay and many of the mags are really neat...I am watching about 20 auctions and I will bid on them when the time comes closer to the wire... thanks Sassy Click here: eBay Seller List: hyee@mindspring.com ================= Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 23:29:43 EDT Subject: (no subject) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com I am having computer problems.............I can't get on ebay or Ramblings( i am writing this off another email) nor can I get on a website to update my wantlist form the barrage of V03 hopefully I can figure what wrong if next few ================= To: "o b" Subject: biscuits Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 00:04:12 -0400 From: "jeff sinclair" After leading the league in stolen bases, management has elected to change the team name to the Bisquicks. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Biscuits anyone? Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 22:19:32 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" I think the mascot's name should be Gravy... ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Rookie returns from V03 Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 21:56:43 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - hope things are well! Got back late last night from my first trip to Las Vegas. I can't remember4 days that were packed with more activities! Had a wonderful time and met up with lots of great folks. Truck's air conditioner is blowing warm air. Must need some freon - get that taken care of. Packed the truck with Yahoo directions, suitcase, golf clubs and dupes box.Left around 8:30 for the long drive to Vegas. About two hours into the trip I turn on the air conditioner. It's still blowing warm air. >:\ I'd heard it would take anywhere between 6 & 8 hours - managed to make it in 6 1/2. It would have been quicker but for a one-car accident 103 miles out of town. The car was totaled, but thankfully the injuries didn't look to be very severe. Called Todd as I rolled into town and he gave specific directions to the hotel's (Saraha) parking garage. Elevator to the 17th floor, and there I meet Todd, my first new OBCer of the weekend. Todd has reserved a couple of rooms for himself, me, Josh & Brett. Early thanks to Margaret Ellison for getting group rates for us! We wander around the casino downstairs for a bit, and run into Rick "Bent Shaft" Ellison and his family. Rick & Margaret are playing a Monopoly slot............ <> A little later on we all meet up with Al & Dottie, who against all odds have found Vegas well ahead of most others. Steve Rittenberg shows up and hunger sets it - time for din din. $7 steak & shrimp - not a bad price for a decent meal. A little more gambling, Josh drives in from SoCal. Meet David Kolenda for the first time. I don't know what I was expecting him to look like, but David didn't look like him. Try to scare him by invoking the name of Sondra Croft (didn't work). Probably a good think I didn't scare him, as David is in Vegas against doctor's orders. Josh, Steve & I start talking about movies, and we make the run over to thetheater by the MGM Grand to see the midnight show of the Matrix sequel. We enter the theater 30 minutes before showtime and Steve promptly falls asleep. Josh & I entertain the idea of moving to a different row while Steve slumbers, but he soon wakes up. Movie was pretty good, but I was dead tired and couldn't get really excited about it. Back at the hotel and in bed around 2:30 or so. Brett arrived while I was movie watching last night and has taken up residence with Josh next door. Todd, Brett & I hit the breakfast buffet. Brett's a roller coaster buff, so it's off to the Stratosphere, which has a coaster that travels 924 feet off the ground. Brett & Todd weren't real impressed, but I found a fear of heights that I didn't know I had before. Glad tobe back on solid ground! Bum around for the rest of the day until Friday night's Ribfest at Mike's. Great crowd at Mike's. Meet Joel Glickman, George Hay, Kit Okamuro, Ray Luurs and Doug Smith for the first time. Cards start flying all over Mike's back yard in no time. Ribs, lots and lots of ribs, are served. Tried in vain to keep up with Ken. Half rubber game breaks out and I collect the first hit of the night, a screaming low liner up the middle that plunks the neighbor's cocker spaniel. Unnerved by the event, I promptly strike out and have to give up the bat. Everyone tries their hand at pitching, which was much harder than it looked. Crystal win's the game as darkness falls. After dinner we all head out to Railroad Pass, which looks like any other casino to me - packed with people. I am told however that it is most unusual for this particular casino to be so busy. I stay away from the craps table and settle on a blackjack table with an impossibly skinny dealer. Said dealer takes my money. Catch a ride back to camp with David and Peter. Off to bed to rest for golf and the excuse breakfast. Up early & off to breakfast, where I learn of new diseases & ailments (osteobogeyitis and yogurt elbow). No strokes are awarded, but I have a resolveto come up with an excuse worthy of next year's gathering. The rookie shoes have thankfully been retired, as there are too many rookies - they wouldn't have fit anyway. Off to Desert Willow, a cool par-60 course. 60 for the whole course, or just the front? Rick, Todd, John (Mike's friend) and Itee it up first. Best ball counts for every stroke, and unfortunately forus, there was a distinct lack of best balls! Todd's drives carried us, and Rick was great with the putter. John did everything he could to keep us out of trouble, while I did my best to keep us in it. Third place for Rick's team again. I need to figure out a way to keep off his team next year . Geno, playing a hold behind us, startles us with his drive off two roofs. Took us a while to figure out where that came from. Off to lunch at ESPN zone, the land of 200 TVs. I think everyone makes it over except Kit & David. First round is on Rick, who lost a bet with Mike.Not entirely sure Rick ever had a chance of winning whatever bet he made;I'm sure Mike rigged it . Nice lunch, great conversation. Watched thePreakness, which is always exciting in a room of shouting people. After lunch, Brett, Ken & I ride the coaster in New York New York. It's a pretty good one - much better than Stratosphere's. Next up is the Morganti Challenge. I haven't played miniature golf for many years. Playing partners were Denise Iverson and Morganti himself. Didn't win many cards, as Ken always seemed to come up with the big putts. I did end up with a '69 Aaron and a '51B high #303 (FCFS). Laughter two holes ahead of us as Rick realizes his shaft is bent. Go figure. After the MC, back to the Sahara. Rick & Margaret are celebrating their anniversary and a party is planned. Ken & I get sidetracked by a Pai Gow table. Ken gives lessons, and two hours go by. I leave with my original $20 in chips, plus a .50 piece. Ken's a little better off, but neither of us win big. Fun game though. I enjoyed it a lot. Up to the party. Coupla beers, cake and I'm fading fast. In bed in time to catch the opening skit ofSNL, but lights out after that. Off to a couple of card dealers - first up is Dave Trimble, who has driven his RV in from Salt Lake for us. I pick up one of the four '62 green tint Dodgers (side note to Grant - it is Peter's fault I have become infected), several '57 mids, a '71 Rose and a '65 embossed Frank Robby. Off to Mike'sfavorite card shop (forget the name) where a large pot of coffee awaits. Cool! I find a few bargains in the beater box. Find the last card I needed to finish the '74 football set. Splurge on an auto'd mini Dodger battinghelmet with sigs from Duke Snider, Don Newcombe and Carl Erskine. The shop owner delights in giving away things, and I end up with auto'd pictures of Maury Wills and Bob Bailey, plus a copy of of the Ultimate Baseball Book which is auto'd by Dusty Rhodes. Next up is closing ceremonies at Hooters. Didn't see any nametags that said "I'm up here", but honestly wasn't looking that hard. Some of us order the hottest wings on the menu, but weren't impressed. Did have a nice meal though, and had leftovers for the drive home. The afternoon is wearing on,and it's time for goodbyes. Handshakes all around, promises of "next year." After a quick detour to the LV airport to drop Ken off, it's homeward bound. The !$%& air conditioning is still on the fritz, and frustration quickly sets in with the traffic jam leaving Las Vegas. Four hot hours later and I leave the Los Angeles-bound traffic behind as I finally hit the west-bound highway. Stop for gas in blessedly cool Tehachapi and head for the home stretch. Pull into the driveway almost exactly 7 1/2 hours after departure. Hugs from the wife and kids - great to be home! Big thanks to Mike for hosting us once again. It was so cool to see old friends and make new ones. I can't wait til next year. Now to work on that excuse.... ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Volunteers needed Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:58:57 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I'd like to give up most (and possibly all) my OBC obligations. Here's a description of what is involved: (1) OBC address list -- update the list of addresses as needed. Add in new members. Send out a directory once a month to the Announcements server. (2) OBC wantlist page -- back up wantlists periodically. Make changes to www.oldbaseball.com/directory.htm as needed. Create pages for new members as needed. Respond to email sent to wantlist@oldbaseball.com (mostly spam). These can easily be handled by separate people. The time commitment involved is very small. Let me know if you are interested. (3) OBC AC Facilitator. I haven't yet decided about this. ================= Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Trimmed 51 HOF lot on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732621494&category=642 Includes a Ted Williams, $1 opening bid. For entertainment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732514693&category=636 I was doubtful about this, but hey--he takes cash! And FREE SHIPPING! Woo-hoo! Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: T-Shirt Day Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 10:39:04 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Wow, got mine today, and I'm impressed. Also got a '63 and stickers...thanks to Larry and Lynn and everyone else involved in this project. I wish I could have worn it last Sunday to the local "show." Only 3 tables with vintage (the usual suspects, Mike D.) I love goofy dealers. At one table, I was eyeing a '59 Indians team card, and the conversation went something like How much for this one? Oh, that's a hard to get card, and started mumbling about 30 or 40 dollars. I don't think so. It's a High number, I'll have to look it up... No it's not, it's #476. I'm sure it's a listed card in Beckett, but I can't find it here That's because it's a common, and isn't listed It's in really nice shape It has chunks missing out of 3 edges, it's scuffed on the front, and the checklist is marked in ink. Everybody wants team cards, they are hard to get Apparently not, or you wouldn't have about 15 in your binder I could let it go for 15 I could take it for 1 I ended up overpaying....2 bucks. At the end of our "transaction" he said "I'd better give you a holder to put it in." I said no thanks, and jammed it in my jacket pocket, leaving him open-mouthed. Tiger Dave thought that was the highlight of the show, except for the boxes of stuff he came away with, even bought me a brew after.... ================= Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 51 HOF lot on eBay To: From: You forgot to mention how anyone could resist an ebay name of "hotpiercedguy"! Sounds like a winner to me! > For entertainment: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732514693&category=636 > I was doubtful about this, but hey--he takes cash! And FREE SHIPPING! > Woo-hoo! -- > Spike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:53:51 EDT Subject: Little help for some friends To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Hi all... My friends Sheere and Michael (some of you may know him from Vegas '02 and his '71 wantlist on the website) are heading out to Chicago early next month. They were wondering if anyone had any access to tickets for the Yanks/Cubs games on 6/6, 6/7, or 6/8. They are willing to pay a pretty penny for two tickets...any help out there? ================= Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 11:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 51 HOF lot on eBay To: Matthew , From: Chris Stufflestreet I figured I'd take a peek to see what this guy had to offer. One of his highlights? A complete 1988 Donruss set! With the rookie cards of Gregg Jefferies and Billy Ripken! Even with those supposedly short-printed cards at the end of the set! For 49 grand? I need to write back to that guy who offered me his 1950s Steeler cards last week for $2500 and let him know I was wrong to judge him. --- Matthew wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732621494&category=642 > Includes a Ted Williams, $1 opening bid. > For entertainment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2732514693&category=636 > I was doubtful about this, but hey--he takes cash! > And FREE SHIPPING! Woo-hoo! > -- > Spike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > http://search.yahoo.com I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:07:13 EDT Subject: cubs fan! To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com An elementary teacher starts a new job at a school in Milwaukee and trying to make a good impression on her first day, explains to her class that she's a Brewers fan. She asks the class to raise their hands if they too are Brewers fans. Everyone in the class raises their hand except one little girl. The teacher looks at the girl with surprise and says: "Mary, why didn't you raise your hand?" Because I'm not a Brewers fan," she replied. The teacher, still shocked, asked: "Well, if you're not a Brewers fan, then who do you support?" "I'm a Cubs fan, and proud of it," Mary replied. The teacher could not believe her ears. "Well Mary, might you explain why are you a Cubs fan?" "Because my Mom and Dad are from Chicago and my Mom is a Cubs fan and my dad is a Cubs fan, so I'm a Cubs fan too!" "Well," said the teacher, in an obviously annoyed tone, "that's no reason for you to be a Cubs fan. You don't have to be just like your parents all of the time. What if your Mom was a prostitute and your dad was a drug addict and a car thief, what would you be then?" Mary said, "I'd be a White Sox fan." ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Vrechek out of email touch for awhile Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:56:36 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" We are moving to another condo within our building on Friday May 30th. We will have to disconnect and reconnect our internet access. Hopefully everything will remain the same, but I'm told it will be mid-June before a new DSLline is hooked up. I hope to be in touch before then, but if you don't hear from me it is because I've gone into internet/email limbo. George Vrechek ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Tiger Dave auctions on Yahoo Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:13:26 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" 1961 High Numbers @ $4 http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/76165734?aucview=0x30 #546 Kutyna http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/76165481?aucview=0x30 #560 http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/76165623?aucview=0x30 #557 Tiger Dave is a great guy and OBC Friendly Dealer from Vancouver. ================= To: , Subject: re:Update info needed Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 06:08:48 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" I use familytoad@harborside.com ( my email address) for EvilBay purposes. I don't use AIM, but I have tried it in the past...I probably just used familytoad. Strange how that name is pretty much available on any web domain.... Anyways, Thanks !! ================= Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:33:05 EDT Subject: T-shirt trauma To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com did anyone happen to receive a size 50-54 (xxl) T-shirt that had ordered a 46 (xl) instead? plmk. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Redpath Auction - Dealer list Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:12:12 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Hi. I've volunteered to put together a list of dealers (and contact them) about donations to an auction to benefit Rick's family. I'm taking a central role in this part of the project so we can avoid the embarassment of several of us individually approaching the same dealer. Here's a STARTING POINT for a list of dealers. Kevin Savage Bill Henderson Roger Neufeldt Kurt Turdot Walt Edwards Nick Kirksey (note: US mail or phone) Bob Wetzel (US mail or phone) Mike Wheat Steve Brandenburg Bill Huggins, House of Cards John Morrison Greg Fisher Chandy Greenholt William Chappell Johnny Hustle Dave Levin, gfg.com JD Heckathorn Ron Barrett Playball, Las Vegas (Mike Hair) Dave Murray (Grant Rainsley) Jimmy Cardascia (Rob Gioia) Please look this list over. Each of the guys on this list has a good sense of what OBC is. Some are on the list of "OBC certified dealers" and others aren't. Some "OBC certified dealers" are not on this list but there is no favoritism in this list. If I never dealt with someone, then they aren't on this list I made. If I've only dealt with them individually (and not told them about OBC and/or introduced OBCers to them), then they are not on this list. If you want me to add someone to the list of people that I will be contacting, let me know. If you know someone on this letter much better than you think that I know them, let me know and YOU can contact them yourself. For example, OBCers have dealt with Roger Neufeldt and Kurt Turdot before I even began collecting vintage cards in 1996. If the guys who know Roger & Kurt best want to call on them personally, thats fine by me. In general, if you think your relationship with Dealer X will increase our chances of procuring something towards the auction, then please let me I intend to personally contact each person on this list except for the three dealers listed at the bottom of the list. I know that those three dealers know someone else in OBC much better than they know me so that I believe it will be more effective for those dealers to be contacted by someone other than me. I have written a draft of a letter that I will send out. I've asked a couple of people to look at it and provide feedback. After I hear from them, I'll make the letter available to anyone who wants to contact a dealer on their own. You may tailor my letter in any way you see fit without my prior approval. Please let me know the names of anyone you'll be contacting so I can make sure someone else has not already done so. I think I've covered everything. If you have questions/comments, please let me know. I receive Ramblings in Digest form so I will not see any replies sent exclusively to the server. ================= To: Subject: VIRUS WARNING- May come from OBC!! Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:41:25 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I just got an email from support@ microsoft.com which came with an attachment...my Norton caught it. I don't know if it originated somewhere in OBC, but heads up for it...delete, delete, delete! ================= To: Subject: Title of Virus Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:43:46 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Forgot...it had the title "Re: My details" ================= Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:25:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Title of Virus From: "David Skoglund" This is making the round everywhere. Here is some info on it from the McAfee site. The worm may arrive in an email with the following characteristics: From: support@microsoft.com * Re: My application * Re: Movie * Cool screensaver * Screensavers * Re: My details * Your password * Re: Approved (Ref: 3394-65467) * Approved (Ref: 38446-263) * Your details Note: As mentioned above, the file extension may be truncated to .PI instead of the intended .PIF. * approved.pif * ref-394755.pif * password.pif * ref-394755.pif * application.pif * screen_doc.pif * screen_temp.pif * movie28.pif * download1053122425102485703.uue * doc_details.pif * _approved.pif ================= To: Subject: new e-mail address Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:43:02 -0400 From: "John Collins" In an attempt to seperate business, grad school, and personal e-mails, I am finally getting around to changing my e-mail address for OBC. The change has not officially been made on the servers or websites yet, but from now on, if you have anything baseball card related to send to me, please do it John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:45:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The National discount tix From: "Joe Isaac" I also bought 2 tickets through Naxcom, thanks Tim for the heads up. Look forward to meeting everyone who goes. More on the national group site. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Newcomb" > Guys -- > (at least us non-bigshots who don't get the VIP pass), > I just went to the National site Dave had provided, and found that discount daily admission tickets ($4.95 instead of $12) were being offered through naxcom, an internet trading site. There are apparently about 900 of these tickets left so if you want to buy any, you'd better act fairly soon. I can't vouch for naxcom because I've never dealt with them before, but I bought two tickets, figuring it was worth a shot, and everything seems on the up-and-up. > Good luck-- > Tim > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dave Fallen > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Originaleek@w... > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 10:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National > Their new web site it at http://natlconv.com/national/national2003/ > -Dave Fallen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 6:10 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National > > I just tried the website for the National and it is still closed. Is > > there another site where we can get info? > > > > > > > > We keep what we give away! > > EEK > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of ================= To: Subject: Neat Item Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:00:11 -0400 From: "toppsrun368" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3608181607 Here's a really neat collectible. Might bring back memories for some. Forothers, it's just cool to look at! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Can anyone ID these? Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:48:36 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" I hope someone out there in OBC Land can help me to identify some photos in my collection. For some time now, I’ve assumed them to be Jay Publishing Type 1 photos of Tigers players. However, I recently won a number of other Type 1 photos, and there are some very apparent differences. Similar to the Jay photos, these are B&W, with a white border all round (slightly thicker border at the bottom where the player’s name and team appears). The backs are blank. The first difference is in the size. Jay’s are 5’ x 7’. I measured these at 4 13/16’ x 7’. Secondly, there player’s name and team is in a different typeface – much finer typeface than that used on the Jay photos. Also, rather than giving the full team name these give only the nickname i.e. They say “DICK BROWN, Tigers” rather than “DICK BROWN, Detroit Tigers”. I have 8 of these photos – Dick Brown, Bill Bruton, Jim Bunning, Norm Cash, Chico Fernandez, Don Mossi, Bob Scheffing, and Vic Wertz. This selection of players indicates to me that these are most likely a 1962 issue. Lastly, if these are a variation on the standard Jay Publishing issues, they are not listed in my SCD Guide, which admittedly is rather old (1997). My scanner is currently not in use, but I’ll take these to work tomorrow in the hope of getting them done there. Maybe someone will recognise them. In the meantime, any ideas? Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: Subject: FW: Larry Woodall Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 15:17:53 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I can't help this person, maybe one of you rabid Tiger fans can? -----Original Message----- From: Stacy Chrisman [mailto:Stacy@TheChrismans.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:09 PM To: grains@dccnet.com Subject: Larry Woodall I am looking for a photo of Larry Woodall from the 1920 Detroit Tigers or a team photo from that year. Please help! ================= Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:05:27 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 757 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com I NEED TO ACCESS MY WEB SITES WANTLIST AND I DON'T KNOW THE LOGIN OR PASSWORD. CAN WHOEVER HELPS WITH THAT HELP ME PLEASE? THE WEBMASTER HAS NOT ANSWERED ME YET. ================= To: "OBC" Subject: OBC T-Shirts Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:54:54 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" I enjoyed working on this project very much, and I loved reading all the messages on the thanks server. Your kind comments more than made it worth theeffort. I admit to checking my mail at least ten times a day to read what you had to say. Thanks everyone! Special thanks to Lynn Miller for making the OBC T-shirt project happen. All the shirts were mailed last Thursday. Mondays holiday messed up delivery, but I wanted to get the shirts in the mail as quickly as possible. Some shirts arrived on Saturday, yet others arrived today (Wednesday)? Weird. Ifyou didn't order a shirt you should have received some OBC stickers, whichwere mailed at the same time. For your information we had two OBC shirts that were given as gifts. One shirt and OBC stickers was sent to Roberta Redpath, and another shirt and OBCstickers was mailed to John Ball. I believe John is fighting cancer I may have created a monster with the OBC stickers. I selected the size because I thought they would fit well on the end of an 800 count box to mark the contents. But in the tradition of 1962 Topps Stamps, 1963 Topps Peel-Offs, and 1964 Topps Tattoos who knows where they will end up! Enjoy. I do have some leftover stickers, drop me an email if you did not get any. Especially any new members who might not be on the mailing list I used. I will distribute the others to the next batch of new members that come along. OBC Member since 1991 ================= Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 04:21:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: address From: "alcattle" Did Dave Kolenda change email address? I seem to remember something about it but the last list is still showing @surfnet Big Al ================= Date: 29 May 2003 15:58:58 -0000 To: "larry.tipton" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC T-Shirts From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Guru and Lynn, Thanks again for the great job, another superb OBC project. This group is amazing and you guys are special. On Wed, 28 May 2003 22:54:54 -0400, "larry.tipton" wrote : > I enjoyed working on this project very much, and I loved reading all the messages on the thanks server. Your kind comments more than made it worth the effort. I admit to checking my mail at least ten times a day to read what you had to say. Thanks everyone! > Special thanks to Lynn Miller for making the OBC T-shirt project happen. > All the shirts were mailed last Thursday. Mondays holiday messed up delivery, but I wanted to get the shirts in the mail as quickly as possible. Some shirts arrived on Saturday, yet others arrived today (Wednesday)? Weird. If you didn't order a shirt you should have received some OBC stickers, which were mailed at the same time. > For your information we had two OBC shirts that were given as gifts. One shirt and OBC stickers was sent to Roberta Redpath, and another shirt and OBC stickers was mailed to John Ball. I believe John is fighting cancer > I may have created a monster with the OBC stickers. I selected the size because I thought they would fit well on the end of an 800 count box to mark the contents. But in the tradition of 1962 Topps Stamps, 1963 Topps Peel-Offs, and 1964 Topps Tattoos who knows where they will end up! Enjoy. > I do have some leftover stickers, drop me an email if you did not get any. Especially any new members who might not be on the mailing list I used. I will distribute the others to the next batch of new members that come along. > Guru > OBC Member since 1991 ================= Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 15:45:18 -0500 To: _ramblings Subject: CoolPix 5/29 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: "Patricia posing with the Phillies rock on Prom Night" THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Which new set?? Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 21:29:56 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- It's always tough to pick a new set to add to the 'ol wantlist, but sometimes you just have to take the plunge. After looking at my meager stack of 1954 Bowmans and comparing it to my meager stack of 1952 Topps, I have decided to pursue the '54 Bowmans (the Mantle is a little bit cheaper!). I'll get my list together over the weekend, but if anyone wants to get a head start, fire away!! Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 01:07:31 EDT Subject: Happy B'day, Mr. Hope... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com X-Mac-Creator="474b4f4e"; X-Mac-Type="4a504547" ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Re: Ricks CoolPix 5/29 link Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:06:17 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" I clicked on the link that Rick Svetecz provided with his last message. Up pops a picture of the Guru hisself! ================= To: Subject: help in id these cards Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 10:04:06 -0700 From: "terry ellis" I need help to identifying these cards . they are small ,black and white appear to be from a game of sort. one says one bagger, hold what you got on back. the others are blank #s in)( #10 joe sewell #41 stanley harris #24 johnny mostil . lmk if you have any idea thanks kit okamuro ================= Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 22:46:16 EDT Subject: Post availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com The following are in varying grades, mostly lesser, and are available FCFS. Don't be shy! 1961 Post 15 1962 Post 17 22 27 28 33 42 48 54 58 64 65 67 71 76 77 78 79 80 88 89 91 93 94 95 96 97 98 102 112 119 120 128 129 132 133 135 143 145 160 162 171 177 187 193 197 1963 Post 44 ================= Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 23:21:27 EDT Subject: I've been running To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Hi All - My life has been a little hectic lately, as some of you know. Thought I'd take a short minute to bring everyone up to date. My middle son Chris ..age 28 .. was married last Sunday to a lovely young lady. They were married in Minneapolis, where her family lives. It was three days of parties. Chris and Nell live in Oakland, Ca. Judy and I flew from Minneapolis Monday to Philadelphia where i have been involved in running a convention. Tuesday night I went to the Phillies/Mets game. We were in a luzury box as a guest of one of our board members. Nice. I'm glad I got to the Vet while there was still time. The Phillies did remind me of the Cubs I grew up with. Bascially inept. This morning I had breakfast with Yogi Berra. For years he has done a golf tournament to support Boy Scouting for disabled kids. We honored him this morning with our highest award and he spoke ...actually he did a question and answer session with broadcaster Beasley Reece. He's a very humble and funny man. He also gave me an autographed ball. It was great. Playing golf tomorrow and finally will get home Sunday. Maybe I'll get some cards out next week. I'm hoping my OBC shirt will be there when I arrive. Catch you later. - doug ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help in id these cards Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 00:04:02 -0700 From: "Big Al" This is the W502 set. Card #41 is also listed as 26b and you have 2 commonsand a semi. Near mint $30/$65 from 99 SCD big book Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: terry ellis To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 10:04 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help in id these cards I need help to identifying these cards . they are small ,black and white appear to be from a game of sort. one says one bagger, hold what you got onback. the others are blank #s in)( #10 joe sewell #41 stanley harris #24 johnny mostil . lmk if you have any idea thanks kit okamuro Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 14:57:05 EDT Subject: T Shirts Still Available To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com You've heard about them, and maybe thought "Gee, wish I had ordered ne." 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