================= To: Subject: Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:37:31 -0800 From: "Mike Kinney" Hey, here's a tempting deal! I came across this '52 Mantle the other day. (I think the price has been reduced since initial listing- I think buy it now was $79,000). As you can see, the initial starting bid was $7900.00. Fromthe current description, I'll bet I'm not the only OBCer to email him ? see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 I emailed the guy- nicely, and suggested he invest $50.00 in a scanner if he wanted folks to bid on his card. Here's his reply: WELL, GEE, THANKS FOR ALL OF THE ADVICE EINSTEIN, YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND DID'NT YOUR MOMMA TEACH YOU THAT IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY GOOD THINGDS TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT ALL. I WILL TAKE YOUR ADVICE UNDER SUBMISSION AND RUN OUT TO WALMART AND PURCHASE A DIGITAL CAMERA JUST FOR YOU AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER, I WILL DELETE YOUR BID AND GIVE IT TO A DECENT HUMAN BEING NOT SOME JACKASS THAT HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THEN BARK AT OTHERS. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS OR I WILL NOT GIVE YOU DESERT BEFORE BEDTIME SON. YOU JJJAAACCCKKKAAASSS.... >From: kinneys7@netzero.net >To: coopfromindy@hotmail.com >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2705559672 >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:46:08 PST >You really should invest $50.00 in a cheap scanner and scan up a picture- >especially with the opening bid so high. You're not likely to get any bids >on such an expensive item with no picture! >Question from: kinney57 >Title of item: 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE #311 RC >Seller: boxingsemperfi >Starts: Jan-29-03 23:02:47 PST >Ends: Feb-05-03 23:02:47 PST >Price: Starts at $7,999.00 ================= To: Subject: P.S. Ebay jerk alert Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:41:30 -0800 From: "Mike Kinney" I emailed him back, and nicely pointed out that PSA does not have a '6.5' rating and that he is misrepresenting the card. Should I report this guy? ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 05:17:58 -0500 (EST) To: kinneys7@charter.net (Mike Kinney) Subject: Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: From: "Mike Kinney" Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 01:37:31 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Hey, here's a tempting deal! I came across this '52 Mantle the other day. (I think the price has been reduced since initial listing- I think buy it now was $79,000). As you can see, the initial starting bid was $7900.00. Fromthe current description, I'll bet I'm not the only OBCer to email him ? see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 I emailed the guy- nicely, and suggested he invest $50.00 in a scanner if he wanted folks to bid on his card. Here's his reply: WELL, GEE, THANKS FOR ALL OF THE ADVICE EINSTEIN, YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND DID'NT YOUR MOMMA TEACH YOU THAT IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY GOOD THINGDS TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT ALL. I WILL TAKE YOUR ADVICE UNDER SUBMISSION AND RUN OUT TO WALMART AND PURCHASE A DIGITAL CAMERA JUST FOR YOU AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER, I WILL DELETE YOUR BID AND GIVE IT TO A DECENT HUMAN BEING NOT SOME JACKASS THAT HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THEN BARK AT OTHERS. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS OR I WILL NOT GIVE YOU DESERT BEFORE BEDTIME SON. YOU JJJAAACCCKKKAAASSS.... >From: kinneys7@netzero.net >To: coopfromindy@hotmail.com >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2705559672 >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:46:08 PST >You really should invest $50.00 in a cheap scanner and scan up a picture- >especially with the opening bid so high. You're not likely to get any bids >on such an expensive item with no picture! >Question from: kinney57 >Title of item: 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE #311 RC >Seller: boxingsemperfi >Starts: Jan-29-03 23:02:47 PST >Ends: Feb-05-03 23:02:47 PST >Price: Starts at $7,999.00 ================= Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 13:43:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Last weekends RI show From: "RRFARRELL " Hello All, Of course last weekend was the RI show. I had the chance to meet up with a nice contigent of OBCers. Steve Rittenberg, Mac Wubben, Sean McGowan, Jim Hatch, Ken Morganti, Spike Glidden, Bob Donaldson, and fellow Rhode Islander Bob Pigeon were all in attendance. A lot of great deals were made. A dealer friend of Bob Pigeon's occuppied most of my day. He was giving out great deals. Steve, Bob, Mac and I even ended up at his shop after the show picking through his remaining stock. When the dust had finally cleared I had knocked 561 cards off of my wantlist. And that for less than 1 dollar a card. Keep in mind that these were all cards in vg+ or better shape, all 50's and 60's ! Included were 58 Aaron, F Robinson, Mathews, Spahn all star cards, 63 mid and high series, 56 Kaline, 80+ 52 topps, numerous team and minor star cards. A truly amazing day. An additional cache of cards came my way during an afternoon trading session with Mac, Steve, and Bob. I got some nice 63's from Steve and a really nice 54 Jackie Robinson from Mac. I think my best deal was with Bob Pigeon who left a 62 Yaz and a 62 Mantle allstar he had picked up at the show. The deal was for 'future considerations.' I'll have to come up with something good for Mr. Pigeon. Other notes, I did receive some nice 63 team cards - I think from Sean - Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks Sean. We all had a nice lunch at Hooters. What a sight we must have been. 9 aging juveniles with matching hats playing with baseball cards in the restaurant. Real chick magnets ! I had a great time and got so many great cards. It was a treat spending the day with all of you boys. What do you say... Same time next year ? ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 08:56:01 EST Subject: Don't forget "Heaven Help Us" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com This 1985 movie starred Andrew McCarthy, Kevin Dillon and Donald Sutherland. It was a funny look at life in a 1960's boys catholic school. If memory serves me correctly it takes place in 1964 or 1965, but in the first moments of the movie, there's a card flipping scene where Dillon loses a 1967 Mantle. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: 1 Feb 2003 14:42:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBCAC elections From: "obcjohn@knology.net" It's that time of year again. Yep, it's OBCAC election time. Most of you know how this works but for the new guys and gals here is the procedure. From now until February 15 at noon PST, you can nominate people to serve on the OBCAC (Old Baseball Cards Advisory Council). The new OBCAC will serve from Mar 1, 2003 until Mar 1, 2004 of the following year. You will elect 7 voting members of the OBCAC and a Facilitator, plus 1 alternate voting member. The requirement for nominations is that the person nominated must have been a member of OBC for at least 3 years. In addition, you should make sure that the person(s) you nominate is willing to serve. Please do not nominate blindly as this has caused some embarassment and hard feelings in the past. Nominations will be received until noon PST, February 15. I will then announce the full slate of nominees and you will have until noon, Mar 1, to vote for your top 8 people for voting member and 1 person for facilitator. Please make sure that when you nominate, you make clear whether the person is being nominated for voting member or facilitator. Send all nominations to me directly, not to members of the OBCAC or the Facilitator. I will give periodic updates on the slate of nominees and reminders of the deadline. Thanks for your cooperation and let's get those nominations in. ================= To: , "Mike Kinney" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:15:56 -0800 From: "John Collins" I too, e-mailed this guy back when the buy-it-now was something like $75 grand, asking the guy if he knew that the card booked nowhere near that highanymore (I don't think "book" value ever was that high). I didn't get the "jackass" reply, but I did get something like: BECAUSE IT IS MINT MINT MINT MINT. Hummm. Gee, now that makes me feel a lot better!! Stupid, gorillia irate ebay sellers with no sense whatsoever. It does keep the hobby somewhat fun for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Kinney To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Hey, here's a tempting deal! I came across this '52 Mantle the other day.(I think the price has been reduced since initial listing- I think buy it now was $79,000). As you can see, the initial starting bid was $7900.00. From the current description, I'll bet I'm not the only OBCer to email him ? see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 I emailed the guy- nicely, and suggested he invest $50.00 in a scanner ifhe wanted folks to bid on his card. Here's his reply: WELL, GEE, THANKS FOR ALL OF THE ADVICE EINSTEIN, YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND DID'NT YOUR MOMMA TEACH YOU THAT IF YOUDO NOT HAVE ANY GOOD THINGDS TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT ALL. I WILL TAKE YOUR ADVICE UNDER SUBMISSION AND RUN OUT TO WALMART AND PURCHASE A DIGITAL CAMERA JUST FOR YOU AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER, I WILL DELETE YOUR BID AND GIVE IT TO A DECENT HUMAN BEING NOT SOME JACKASS THAT HAS NOTHING BETTER TO DO THEN BARK AT OTHERS. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS OR I WILL NOT GIVE YOU DESERT BEFORE BEDTIME SON. YOU JJJAAACCCKKKAAASSS.... >From: kinneys7@netzero.net >To: coopfromindy@hotmail.com >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2705559672 >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:46:08 PST >You really should invest $50.00 in a cheap scanner and scan up a picture- >especially with the opening bid so high. You're not likely to get any bids >on such an expensive item with no picture! >Question from: kinney57 >Title of item: 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE #311 RC >Seller: boxingsemperfi >Starts: Jan-29-03 23:02:47 PST >Ends: Feb-05-03 23:02:47 PST >Price: Starts at $7,999.00 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Cards in Movies Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:36:46 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I remember a scene in the old Dick Van Dyke show where Rob comes home and his son says "Did you get me anything dad?" Rob say "A pack of BB cards" and gives them to his son who then runs into his room. I was very disappointed in that you never got to see who was in the pack. ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 10:53:49 EST Subject: html question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I want to post links on my website that will bring up a second window with a card picture in it. Is there a way to automatically size the second window when it comes up? ================= Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 11:00:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] a question about authenticity of ebay product To: LUURSCJG@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot To Ray,

    Topps Finest is a UV glossy product put out by Topps as a "premium" quality set at a premium price.  So of course these are reprints - nice if you go for this sort of thing, just $50 to fill all those empty slots from the 50's with UV Mick's and then dream of the day when you can get the real thing.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

LUURSCJG@aol.com wrote:

 Could someone confirm that these are reprint cards  or the real deal.  I am sure because of price and what appears to writing on cards that these are reprints but i dont see where it says it in description

eBay item 2704122059 (Ends Feb-05-03 08:57:44 PST ) - 18 Mickey Mantle Cards Topps Finest 1951-1969
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================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:36:43 EST Subject: I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com This is really sad...I can think of dozens of things to write about this, but I'll let you draw your own conclusions... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2704411220 So much for all of thse customer service awards Happy Collecting! ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:54:46 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! This is really sad...I can think of dozens of things to write about this,but I'll let you draw your own conclusions... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2704411220 The card pictured is a T206 Cub Rube Kroh. Obviously nothing to do with Babe Ruth. I wonder if a mass mailing would teach some of these guys a lesson. We could all send a message stating: "Wow! Great card! I'm confused. How is Rube Kroh related to Babe Ruth? I've been looking around at dealers on eBay in the hope of recommending a dealer to the vintage collecting community that I belong to. Its 150 members strong and growing! We'd like to give the majority of our business to one guy. We think the idea of instantly gaining the trust of another 150 deep pocketed collectors is a pretty big carrot we can offer. In exchange, we ask for scrupulous honest and integrity. And fair prices with reasonable shipping. Boy! The days of having to spend hours on eBay each day would be over. Instead, we could pay the same price to you that we have been paying on eBay and save all that time. I'm sure after a while, we'd come to trust you and you wouldn't evenneed to scan your cards. Just let us know what you have and we'd buy it all. Anyway, putting "Babe Ruth" in the description is either a foolish trick or the height of cluelessness. Either way, I'm afraid I cannot give you a positive recommendation to my friends. But I can let them know to think atleast twice before bidding on your auctions. Sorry we won't be doing business." Well, that's it. Its a bit longer than I thought it would be but I like to play up the enthusiasm angle. And give him the impression that his slipup just cost him thousands of dollars of easy money. I suppose I won't send this after all. Every time I'm vindictive, it comes back to bite me in ways I never imagined. But I suppose letting off steam this way is not so bad. haha ================= To: Subject: Travel to Savannah, GA Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 13:26:57 -0600 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, All! I will be attending a conference in Savannah, GA on Feb. 13-16. Any OBCersin or near Savannah? Any card stores you can recommend? Mike W ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 15:25:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The interesting part of this is that there is no Ruth in the set, so people, should not get confused. They are a local dealer for me. I had bid on some items from them and wanted to pick them up if I won. They would not allow this. Shipping is also overvalued. Another Hall of Shame dealer. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 15:34:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! To: mikesportsfan@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot Hey Mike,

    I was not aware that this guy wouldn't let you pick up cards in his Rochester store - now that is petty!!!  I have won items without incident before from this guy but sent S & H $$  because i didn't want to bother with the trip to his store.  I'll bet that you do business now and then in Rochester and that kind of policy is nothing but a gouge tactic.  Thanks for sharing that point of view, I'll be on the lookout!!!  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

mikesportsfan@aol.com wrote:

 The interesting part of this is that there is no Ruth in the set, so people, should not get confused.  They are a local dealer for me.  I had bid on some items from them and wanted to pick them up if I won.  They would not allow this.  Shipping is also overvalued.  Another Hall of Shame dealer.
Mike Rich
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================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:56:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors don't have this one! To: Steve Rittenberg , From: Bob Farrell Kruk = Moron. enough said. --- Steve Rittenberg > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 12:36 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I bet you T206 collectors > don't have this one! > This is really sad...I can think of dozens of > things to write about this, but I'll let you draw > your own conclusions... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2704411220 > The card pictured is a T206 Cub Rube Kroh. > Obviously nothing to do with Babe Ruth. I wonder if > a mass mailing would teach some of these guys a > lesson. We could all send a message stating: > "Wow! Great card! I'm confused. How is Rube Kroh > related to Babe Ruth? I've been looking around at > dealers on eBay in the hope of recommending a dealer > to the vintage collecting community that I belong > to. Its 150 members strong and growing! We'd like > to give the majority of our business to one guy. We > think the idea of instantly gaining the trust of > another 150 deep pocketed collectors is a pretty big > carrot we can offer. In exchange, we ask for > scrupulous honest and integrity. And fair prices > with reasonable shipping. Boy! The days of having > to spend hours on eBay each day would be over. > Instead, we could pay the same price to you that we > have been paying on eBay and save all that time. > I'm sure after a while, we'd come to trust you and > you wouldn't even need to scan your cards. Just > let us know what you have and we'd buy it all. > Anyway, putting "Babe Ruth" in the description is > either a foolish trick or the height of > cluelessness. Either way, I'm afraid I cannot give > you a positive recommendation to my friends. But I > can let them know to think at least twice before > bidding on your auctions. Sorry we won't be doing > business." > Well, that's it. Its a bit longer than I thought > it would be but I like to play up the enthusiasm > angle. And give him the impression that his slipup > just cost him thousands of dollars of easy money. > I suppose I won't send this after all. Every time > I'm vindictive, it comes back to bite me in ways I > never imagined. But I suppose letting off steam > this way is not so bad. haha > Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 12:58:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) To: John Collins , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Bob Farrell I wonder what a MINT MINT MINT MINT MINT MINT MINT would book for ? --- John Collins wrote: > I too, e-mailed this guy back when the buy-it-now > was something like $75 grand, asking the guy if he > knew that the card booked nowhere near that high > anymore (I don't think "book" value ever was that > high). I didn't get the "jackass" reply, but I did > get something like: > BECAUSE IT IS MINT MINT MINT MINT. > Hummm. Gee, now that makes me feel a lot better!! > Stupid, gorillia irate ebay sellers with no sense > whatsoever. It does keep the hobby somewhat fun for > me. > --John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Kinney > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 1:37 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) > Hey, here's a tempting deal! I came across this > '52 Mantle the other day. (I think the price has > been reduced since initial listing- I think buy it > now was $79,000). As you can see, the initial > starting bid was $7900.00. From the current > description, I'll bet I'm not the only OBCer to > email him ? > see http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2705559672 > I emailed the guy- nicely, and suggested he invest > $50.00 in a scanner if he wanted folks to bid on his > card. Here's his reply: > WELL, GEE, THANKS FOR ALL OF THE ADVICE EINSTEIN, > YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR > NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO YOURSELF AND DID'NT YOUR > MOMMA TEACH YOU THAT IF YOU DO > NOT HAVE ANY GOOD THINGDS TO SAY, SAY NOTHING AT > ALL. I WILL TAKE YOUR > ADVICE UNDER SUBMISSION AND RUN OUT TO WALMART AND > PURCHASE A DIGITAL CAMERA > JUST FOR YOU AND THEN WHEN YOU SEE WHAT I HAVE TO > OFFER, I WILL DELETE YOUR > BID AND GIVE IT TO A DECENT HUMAN BEING NOT SOME > JACKASS THAT HAS NOTHING > BETTER TO DO THEN BARK AT OTHERS. MIND YOUR OWN > BUSINESS OR I WILL NOT GIVE > YOU DESERT BEFORE BEDTIME SON. YOU > JJJAAACCCKKKAAASSS.... > >From: kinneys7@netzero.net > >To: coopfromindy@hotmail.com > >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2705559672 > >Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 14:46:08 PST > > > >You really should invest $50.00 in a cheap > scanner and scan up a picture- > >especially with the opening bid so high. You're > not likely to get any bids > >on such an expensive item with no picture! > >-------------------- > > > > > >Question from: kinney57 > >Title of item: 1952 TOPPS MICKEY MANTLE > #311 RC > >Seller: boxingsemperfi > >Starts: Jan-29-03 23:02:47 PST > >Ends: Feb-05-03 23:02:47 PST > >Price: Starts at $7,999.00 > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! > Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:31:31 EST Subject: Sports stars as role models To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: "I wan' all them kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I wan' all the kids to copulate me." New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season: I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first." And, upon hearing Joe Jacobi of the 'Skins say: "I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl," Matt Millen of the Raiders said: "To win, I'd run over Joe's Mom, too." Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins:"He treats us like men. He lets us wear > earrings." Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann, 1996: "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: "I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." (that is beautiful) Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach: "You guys line up alphabetically by height." And, "You guys pair up in groups of three, then line up in a circle." Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson hooking up again with promoter Don King: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three years, not Princeton." Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my clothes." Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice: "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt." Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach, I don't know and I don't care.'" [that sounds staged] Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject." Oiler coach Bum Phillips when asked by Bob Costas why he takes his wife on all the road trips, Phillips responded: "Because she is too dadgum ugly to kiss good-bye." ================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:02:27 EST Subject: Ebay Questions To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Does anyone ever use neutral feedback? I recently won some cards in an auction. They took almost a month to get here, even though I paid with paypal. The seller has emailed me saying he will leave positive feedback as soon as I do. I feel that the transaction was not one I would want to give "praise" to, and I imagine that if I leave neutral feedback, I will get the same in return. Has anyone ever used neutral feedback? Also I love the descriptions that say "without the nicked corners and creases, this would be a mint card." With 9 more inches, a little speed and a jump shot, I could be playing in the NBA. Rest well, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay Questions Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:13:05 -0800 From: "John Collins" As a general rule, I leave feedback based only on my satisfaction with the transaction, and not based on what I think the seller will leave me as a result. That has earned me 2 negatives so far, one based on a negative that I left, but another seller actually had the gall to leave me a negative after I left neutral on him. My point is that if you feel it was a "neutral" transaction, then that is the feedback I would leave. But know that it could possibly anger the seller into leaving even worse for you. My $0.02... ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay Questions Does anyone ever use neutral feedback? I recently won some cards in an auction. They took almost a month to get here, even though I paid with paypal. The seller has emailed me saying he will leave positive feedback as soonas I do. I feel that the transaction was not one I would want to give "praise" to, and I imagine that if I leave neutral feedback, I will get the same in return. Has anyone ever used neutral feedback? Also I love the descriptions that say "without the nicked corners and creases, this would be a mint card." With 9 more inches, a little speed and a jump shot, I could be playing in the NBA. Rest well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 22:26:24 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Here's a copy of what I sent this guy last night, with his reply to me thisevening. I'll reinclude the link to the auction, as it has changed once again. Pretty amusing! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 << Subject: OBC Goudey lot Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 00:51:06 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2706539955&category31722 Check it out-- 24 Tipton Goudeys with a buy-it-now of $49. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Here's a copy of what I sent this guy last night, with his reply to me this evening. I'll reinclude the link to the auction, as it has changed onceagain. Pretty amusing! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 <<, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Goudey lot Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 23:16:40 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" Thanks Tim, I will take them. Anyone need a cards or 3 from the list just shout. Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Newcomb To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Goudey lot http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2706539955&category31722 Check it out-- 24 Tipton Goudeys with a buy-it-now of $49. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay fun....(Jerk alert!) Here's a copy of what I sent this guy last night, with his reply to me this evening. I'll reinclude the link to the auction, as it has changed once again. Pretty amusing! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2705559672 <<, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How a deer took my '55 Clemente card. Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 08:17:04 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Buy a real Nice Clemente and say the hell with the door. David K ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Reed" To: Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 12:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How a deer took my '55 Clemente card. > My 1955 set is down to just 7 cards with the toughest being the Clemente > rookie. I figure an OBC style card on eBay would be in the neighborhood > $200. > Now here's where the deer comes in. I was driving home last night after > playing volleyball about quarter to ten when I saw some movement to my > Before I knew it there's a deer running into the side of my car. After > coming to my senses I turned the car around to see if the deer was all > right. She was standing in the road shaken up and dazed before running > into the woods. I then saw 3 more female deer follow her. Since it was > past feeding time I can only assume the 4 deer were going to the bathroom > because everybody knows females have to go to the bathroom in groups :-) > I survived OK but the car sustained $1800 of damage to the driver door and > front fender. My deductible is $200, which is the same amount I could > paid to get the Clemente! > Dumb deer! > -Bob R. > p.s. For those still playing the name game Deer is Reed backwards and Bob > backwards is still Bob. So not only do I have former Tiger pitcher Bob > but I almost have my backwards name with Rob Deer. > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:50:55 EST Subject: LeBron James To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com If you don't know Ohio geography, my home in North Canton is just spitting distance from Akron, the home of basketball phenom LeBron James. You know, having the best high school basketball player in the nation from your town should be a great thing. I'm sure the people that lived in the home towns of Jerry West, or Oscar Robertson, or Michael Jordan enjoyed the experience. With James, it just a big pain in the butt. It's not the kid's fault. Everybody in the world has been telling him that he is God's gift since he was 12 years old. The agents and shoe companies circle like vultures. The one person that he should be able to trust, his own mother, is the worst of all. A couple quotes from today's Akron Beacon "Like a good son, LeBron James sees his mom through loving eyes, speaking only of her in glowing terms. What he didn't see were the dollar signs in her eyes>" "Buying her son an extravagent SUV for his 18th birthday was just the most obvious testimony that Gloria James is out of control. She has been talking about "getting paid" for a long time and continually flaunted her son's Ouch. It's a good thing the Beacon Journal is the friendly hometown paper. The LeBron James experience has been a great example of everything that is wrong with American sports. Shoe contracts for a high school team. High school pay-per-view tv. A kid driving a $75,000 car, while living in public I don't exactly know the point of this Morganti-sized rant, other than in the overall context of the news of the day, it seems that we have a major priority problem. It is a sad situation for all involved, even LeBron, with his multi-million dollar contract lurking only months away. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: T200 Fatima Red Sox card on eBay Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:13:41 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I just found one of these on eBay. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category31719&item2704364809 What do you think? Do you think it's authentic? Overpriced? I asked Doug Smith about it and he said that the two Fatimas he has are well centered.The picture on this card is clearly crooked. The auction ends at 9:30 EST, so I have time to think about it. The seller also has a Pirates and A's available. ================= To: Subject: Lotsa cards to trade Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 11:35:33 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" I haven't been very active of late (you've heard that before). Been filling my time selling and now closing up "shop" for tax season. But thanks to Earl's upcoming Michigan get together this coming Saturday, I've got the boxes out to pull some cards. Should be able to hit a few of the other lists representing the 49 lesser states too. If you see anything on my lists that you have, let me know and I'll move you to the top of the list. Here are a couple of ideas to get some trades going: 1. T206 - my T206 Have page shows the cards I have multiple backs of (about 200 !). Any of those are available for T206s on my Need page(about 90). 2. I've got some nice trade bait for the biggies I need on the Most Wantedlist. Trade bait includes nice 48/49 Leaf Ruth and Spahn RC, both Ex/Mt or better except for a name and address stamp on the back. Also a 51B Ford RC pretty beat up. 3. I still need a few cards from 53-55 Topps, 53-55 Bowman, 61-63 Post and63,66 and 67 Topps. 4. ANY 52 Topps would be very cool. Take care, Chuck Paris 7224 Lake Dr. Fremont MI 49412 All Wantlists: http://home.attbi.com/~chuckparis/ T206 Only: http://home.attbi.com/~chuckparis/t206.html ================= Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 16:51:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: T200 Fatima Red Sox card on eBay From: "klsdad2000 " Looks authentic to me. Looks like the typical photographic paper like stock. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Rittenberg" wrote: > I just found one of these on eBay. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > What do you think? Do you think it's authentic? Overpriced? I asked Doug Smith about it and he said that the two Fatimas he has are well centered. The picture on this card is clearly crooked. > The auction ends at 9:30 EST, so I have time to think about it. The seller also has a Pirates and A's available. > Steve ================= To: malsman250@cs.com Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:55:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LeBron James From: Bob Saxton Yep, we sure do have our national priorities screwed up! When the day comes that major league sports figures are driving beer trucks and road graders in the off-season to supplement their incomes because the billions that were being spent on sports and entertainment are going towards medical research to eliminate the cruelest diseases, towards humanitarian issues of adequate housing and food, productive jobs with adequate medical insurance benefits, and an educational system that gives every child a chance to succeed and excell, then we will have placed sports in an appropriate perspective. In the words of the eminent and immortal philosopher Satchel Paige, "don't look back, America, something might be gaining on ya." On Sun, 2 Feb 2003 09:50:55 EST malsman250@cs.com writes: If you don't know Ohio geography, my home in North Canton is just spitting distance from Akron, the home of basketball phenom LeBron James. You know, having the best high school basketball player in the nation from your town should be a great thing. I'm sure the people that lived in the home towns of Jerry West, or Oscar Robertson, or Michael Jordan enjoyed the experience. With James, it just a big pain in the butt. It's not the kid's fault. Everybody in the world has been telling him that he is God's gift since he was 12 years old. The agents and shoe companies circle like vultures. The one person that he should be able to trust, his own mother, is the worst of all. A couple quotes from today's Akron Beacon Journal: "Like a good son, LeBron James sees his mom through loving eyes, speaking only of her in glowing terms. What he didn't see were the dollar signs in her eyes>" "Buying her son an extravagent SUV for his 18th birthday was just the most obvious testimony that Gloria James is out of control. She has been talking about "getting paid" for a long time and continually flaunted her son's celebrity." Ouch. It's a good thing the Beacon Journal is the friendly hometown The LeBron James experience has been a great example of everything that is wrong with American sports. Shoe contracts for a high school team. High school pay-per-view tv. A kid driving a $75,000 car, while living in public housing. I don't exactly know the point of this Morganti-sized rant, other than in the overall context of the news of the day, it seems that we have a major priority problem. It is a sad situation for all involved, even LeBron, with his multi-million dollar contract lurking only months away. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T200 Fatima Red Sox card on eBay Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 12:21:26 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Steve, I bet it is real. While it is not centered very well, it has allthe rest of the Fatima looks. Plus this is not an easy one to counterfeit. That's my take. I have 9 of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 10:13 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T200 Fatima Red Sox card on eBay I just found one of these on eBay. Here's a link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category31719&item2704364809 What do you think? Do you think it's authentic? Overpriced? I asked Doug Smith about it and he said that the two Fatimas he has are well centered. The picture on this card is clearly crooked. The auction ends at 9:30 EST, so I have time to think about it. The seller also has a Pirates and A's available. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:01:07 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Goudey lot To: apspr@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Boy did Al make out on this lot...one of the best ebay buys in awhile. The lot also includes one HOFer!! ================= Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 16:03:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How a deer took my '55 Clemente card. To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, boreed@hotmail.com From: Wite3@aol.com Cars only last 10 years but Clemente RCs last forever... ================= Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 06:03:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Availables From: "alcattle " This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great this group has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you for enjoying my silly game. 60s 47 Young 20 Collins 61s 20 Derringer 137 Schumacher 63s 63 White 57 Face Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 06:41:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Speaking of eBay... From: "David Skoglund " I got a note from Kurt Tourdot that he finally bought a scanner and is now listing stuff on eBay. eBay ID: K2doe ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC Hockey collectors Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:15:32 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I know that these guys collect hockey. Anyone else? Carlos Alcazar Paul Biggs Glenn Codere Andy Cook Sal Domino Bob Donaldson Matt-Man Heilenman Richard Fugitive Kimball Peter Iversen Peter Mead Greg Miller Ron Perry Ed Pike Grant Rainsley Mike Rich Steve Rittenberg Jim Wiehe Have I missed anyone? ================= To: alcattle@earthlink.net Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 04:54:59 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anniversary Availables From: Bob Saxton Hi, Al! Thanks for posting, and you sure are right about the feeling we get from OBC! I could use either of the 61, #20 or #137, if no one else claims them Hope your day is a great one! On Mon, 03 Feb 2003 06:03:52 -0000 "alcattle " writes: > This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how > great this group has been to me. I have make friends that I hope > will > last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering > cards > every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep > track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. > Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want > to hit 150 people this month. Thank you for enjoying my silly game. > fleers > 60s 47 Young > 20 Collins > 61s 20 Derringer > 137 Schumacher > 63s 63 White > 57 Face > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Availables: 1975 SSPC Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:32:41 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have a pile of 61 SSPC cards I'd like to move out. If you have a wantlist, let me know and I will check it. I am aware that Spike Glidden collects these. Anyone else? Teams available (# cards): Yankees(27), Astros(1), Giants(2), Angels(3), Padres(20), Indians (1), White Sox (1), Rangers (1), Pirates(2), Braves(1), Reds(2) ================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:08:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: More availables: 1975 SSPC To: obc ramblings From: Matthew And for those looking to start this set, I'll throw in at least 50 from my dupes box. Then you can play the SSPC game! 1) Put cards in 9-count pages 2) Open to random page and attempt to identify any player photo for 1 point 3) Give verifiable fact about player for a bonus point (doesn't have to be from back of card, though that helps in the verification) 4) Play game to 20, some agreed prize for winner Speaking of the SSPC set, here's the daily "shake your head and wonder": http://www.psacard.com/new_set_registry/display_rsets.chtml?setid=293&set_name=1975%20SSPC --- Steve Rittenberg wrote: > I have a pile of 61 SSPC cards I'd like to move out. If you have a wantlist, let me know and I > will check it. I am aware that Spike Glidden collects these. Anyone else? > Teams available (# cards): Yankees(27), Astros(1), Giants(2), Angels(3), Padres(20), Indians > (1), White Sox (1), Rangers (1), Pirates(2), Braves(1), Reds(2) > Steve Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Available day 3 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:10:59 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 73 Topps most are vg+ 1x2, 170, 174, 255, 280, 305, 330, 410, 471 x2, 472, 473 x2, 477, 478 x2, 486 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 17:18:12 EST Subject: Neither rain, nor sleet, nor four inches of snow... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com ...kept this OBC'er from going to a card show Sunday morning and hooking up with Spike Glidden! After a night of nasty weather, I headed to a local show which I haven't been to in years - located in Methuen, Massachusetts. Judging by the less than 10 dealers set up, we were among the few brave souls. Spike was already there when I arrived and we spent much of our time searching through bargain bins (what else?). My take? A 1938 Our National Game pin of Bill terry and a W513 I needed for my set. Also picked up some 1968 Topps stars which will be distributed. Admission was only a buck and I got a free doughtnut too! How could I go wrong?? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 14:23:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: OBC-style 1950 Bowmans of Durocher and Slaughter To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2706863452&category=636 $2.25 bid + $2 postage right now. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:21:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC-style 1950 Bowmans of Durocher and Slaughter From: "alcattle " ok, Spike I bite on this one. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Matthew wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2706863452&category > $2.25 bid + $2 postage right now. > -- > Spike > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:21:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Three-show weekend in MA To: obc ramblings From: Matthew I made it out to three Boston area shows this weekend, thanks to my girlfriend's ski trip and no less than six shows to choose from. A couple hours at a 40-table show in Waltham, MA, netted a 58 Williams for $40, a 56 Robinson for $20 and some lesser cards. Met a nice dealer from Pittsfield, MA named Mike (Troly?). I later learned from Jim Hatch that Mike used to have "The Ugly Book," perfect for OBCers from all walks of life. Turns out Mike got out of cards for several months last year, but couldn't stay away and started doing shows again in November. Keep an eye out for him in the MA area! Oddball pickup: $15 for five 1938 "Our National Game" pins, with the Bill Terry going to Jim. I'll look to hit type lists shortly. Sunday saw two shows, starting with a 9am meeting with Jim Hatch at the Methuen, MA show--despite the aforementioned heavy snowfall. Only purchased from two dealers: Mike from Saturday and a guy who set up across from him with 54 Topps (and a 59 hi# Stengel) in a $1 box. Then it was south to Everett to pick up Ken Morganti and off to a 70 table show in Woburn. Not as much there, only one dealer with any thing like OBC-ready vintage. I grabbed a Koufax RC for $60 and Ken found a box of 2002 Topps Traded. We then hit the Wonderland dog track (my first time) and watched some telecast races from another track further south (near a Taunton, MA show I would've attended but for the weather). I lost $2 and Ken made $4. All told, two days of shows, further building enthusiasm for a year of cards and baseball. Can't wait for Atlantic City! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 18:23:02 EST Subject: The New Phone Book is Here! To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Remember in the movie "The Jerk" when Steve Martin finally felt like "someone" because his name was actually listed in the phone book? Well, I have a similar feeling today because my OBC hat just arrived. I'd like to thank Lynn, Ken, Steve and anyone else who had something to do with this project. It is a way cool cap! God Bless America! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 23:25:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: overpriced commons From: "alcattle " I was looking for some 52 Bowmans for my set. I like lots but no one is giving things away anymore. Just to show my rant, 7 commons starting at $49 $7 each. Big lot 34 different/ about 50 total $250 with a reserve! The person even states he wants 1/2 book or more. No Thanks!! $5 for common dupes?!? ok I am done, back to your regular Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: 4 Feb 2003 00:17:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" So far I've received 3 emails with nominations. Candidate list looks as Facilitator: Bob D'angelo Voting Member: Doug Dejong Rick Ellison Mike Hair Mike Kinney Grant Rainsley Bob Reed Doug Smith Jim Wiehe Tom Williams Deadline for nominations is noon PST February 15. ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:35:35 -0500 Subject: childhood as I recall it From: Bob Saxton One of my other pleasures is a little dabbling in writing on a website called writings.com. and this is one of the pieces I posted there: Baseball Cards and Bubble Gum.......those were the days! I belong to an old baseball card collector’s group on the internet. One of the other members recently sent me some cards and included a special treat with them. It was the bubble gum that came with the cards that triggered the memories. Memories of my very best childhood friend, Argyle Wallenpaupack. We all called him Sox. Why we became friends, I’ll never He was everything I wasn’t….rich, good looking, immensely popular (see prior adjectives), well dressed, well spoken, well done. I was rare and I collected baseball cards. He collected the gum. His main problem was that he wasn’t allowed to frequent the candy stores. Or chew gum. I often felt sorry for Sox. There were so many things his parents wouldn’t allow him to do. So he and I worked out a very simple arrangement. Every Saturday morning, he would bribe his chauffeur to drive him to the school playground. There I would climb into the back seat of the limo, accept the handful of wadded up bills, and depart for Tony’s Corner Emporium to make his purchases for him. A few minutes later, as I nonchalantly lolled on the bench at the bus stop two blocks away, the limo would glide to a stop, I’d glance around to make sure no one was watching, and hop in. For the next several hours, Sox would indulge his forbidden lust for chewing bubble gum as I unwrapped pack after pack of cards seeking the Mickey Mantle I knew was sure to be there but only finding the fifteenth card of Mayo Smith or Spook Jacobs. About mid-afternoon Sox’s jaw would be aching, and I would have become bored reading the captions on the back of the cards….. “Moose drives a beer truck in the off-season”…………”Jim is expected to become the next Joe DiMaggio if he can stay away from the bottle”……”Orville leads the league in getting hit in the head by pitched balls”. The driver would let me off at the public library so Sox and I could both honestly say we’d been there. Sox would give me the cards, which became the cornerstone of my collection, and he would save any unchewed pieces of gum to smuggle into the mansion for later enjoyment. The secret vault off his bedroom held enough gum to last a lifetime. The chewed gum he saved in a designer leather briefcase. He was quite creative and very artistic, and harbored a dream of someday creating a miniature sculpture of Mount Rushmore out of used chewing gum, navel lint and ear wax. I don’t know if he ever accomplished his dream. The year we entered junior high school, Sox and his family moved away, to an island they purchased in the Mediterranean. I only heard from him a couple times after that. For a while he considered entering the priesthood and I think that consideration arose when bubble gum was no longer included with the baseball cards. The last I heard, though, he had given away all of his wealth and was living on a tuna fishing boat on Lake Michigan. Rationing the remnants of his bubble gum supply so it would last a lifetime. Bubble gum with baseball cards. The world was a better place then. ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:48:50 EST Subject: 68 Bazooka Box To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hey Guys, Something tells me I'm never going to get that 68 Bazooka of Don Mincher! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2929&item=2705079788& Good luck bidding! ================= Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 21:50:01 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: Shameless Plug From: Lynn Miller Hi All, I have a friend whom I met a while ago in the eBay auctions. Barry Smith is a seller/collector. I've tried to persuade him in the past to consider joining the group. But he declined. He is a Department Head at New Mexico State Univ. He was off eBay for quite awhile and has just started selling again. Barry is really a great guy and has always had some great deals. His seller ID is jfriend7 if any of you are inclined to visit. Right now he has lots of 66's up with a starting bid of $.50 and reasonable shipping and will combine. These are multiple card lots ranging from 3 to 8 cards. He has some 70's stars and hi numbers also. And don't be afraid to overbid me, always just searching for good OBC stuff, so it doesn't bother me in the least. Lynn ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:49:51 EST Subject: One month thanks To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com To all my new-found friends at OBC: It's now been a little over a month since my membership was accepted into this great group. The experience has been outstanding - even better than I thought it would be. I just wanted to take a moment to say a big THANK YOU to everyone. There are still many want lists I haven't had a chance to check out yet, but I will get to them. Thanks for the cardboard - and the new-found Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:58:01 EST Subject: insuring your cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com there was some discussion recently about how to insure your cards under your homeowners policy. i know all policies are different, but i think i have a fairly basic policy (met life). the policy covers named peril (basically fire or theft) up to $5,000. additional $5,000 increments can be purchased for $25 each (annual premium) up to a maximum of $20,000 of coverage. seems pretty reasonable to me. now insuring an engagement ring, that's a different matter! hope this helps. gm ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ebay bidding. Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 12:27:48 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" I know we've had a few discussions about outbidding other OBC'ers on eBay. It seems that some people don't care if they're outbid while others don't mind but would like to be notified first. I generally try to avoid outbidding another member unless it's an item I really want and then I'll try to contact them ahead of time. Here's my dilemma that I don't think has been brought up before. What is common courtesy if another member outbids you (whether intentional or unintentional)? I realize sometimes people get excited about an item and bid without even looking at (or recognizing) who has the high bid. I've been guilty of it myself. I recently missed out on a good deal and while I'm glad it went to another member I wouldn't have minded winning it myself. If a situation like this happens again should I back off like I did or go ahead and put in another bid myself. Should I try to contact the person when that situation happens? I'm sure everybody has their own opinion but I'd be interested and hearing any comments? -Bob R. The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. Date: 4 Feb 2003 10:03:15 -0800 From: "John Collins" Guys, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I really don't know why this is an issue. In the final analysis, what is the difference if an OBCer outbids you, or Joe Shlabotnik from Kansas outbids you? As with any auction, live or automated, the item will go to the person who was willing to ante up the most for it. That fact alone is usually consolation enough for me when I don't win something on ebay. At least whoever got it is going to pay more than I would have. Case in point, I lost out on a nice mid-grade '59 Mantle on Sunday, when my bid was topped only by a few dollars. The person who outbid me for the card still got it at a tremendous deal (about 11% of book price). But I had set my limit at a certain amount, and didn't go over it. That being said, I will not "knowingly" bid on something that other OBCers are already after. A few of you have well known ebay handles, or ones very similar to your e-mail addresses. So, if I see that, I won't bid. But, like Brock Hattox has mentioned before, I also frequently use sniper software. That is another issue where the ethics are sometimes questioned, but I won't get into that here. Bottom line, I don't always have time to watch all of my auctions dwindle down into the seconds. When I am doing this, there is no way to check to see who I am outbidding, so I'm sure I probably have outbid OBCers in the I guess this is such an issue because ebay is global and accessable to everyone at a moment's notice. But think about it, if you go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do Stepping off the soapbox.... >--- Original Message --- >From: "Robert Reed" >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 2/4/03 7:27:48 AM >I know we've had a few discussions about outbidding other OBC'ers on eBay.  >It seems that some people don't care if they're outbid while others don't >mind but would like to be notified first.  I generally try to >outbidding another member unless it's an item I really want and then I'll >try to contact them ahead of time. >Here's my dilemma that I don't think has been brought up before.  What is >common courtesy if another member outbids you (whether intentional >unintentional)?  I realize sometimes people get excited about an item and >bid without even looking at (or recognizing) who has the high bid.  I've >been guilty of it myself.  I recently missed out on a good deal and while >I'm glad it went to another member I wouldn't have minded winning it myself. >If a situation like this happens again should I back off like I did or go >ahead and put in another bid myself.  Should I try to contact the person >when that situation happens?  I'm sure everybody has their own opinion but >I'd be interested and hearing any comments? >-Bob R. >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*  >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:28:58 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 2/4/03 12:04:37 PM Central Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > In the final analysis, what is the difference > if an OBCer outbids you, or Joe Shlabotnik from Kansas outbids > you? anybody but joe shlabotnick! have you seen his eBay rating?!?!?! ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Available day 4 Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 10:55:47 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 74 Topps 83, 105, 283, 470 x3, 473, 658 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:42:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Our man Rob Neyer To: obc ramblings From: Matthew I'm probably not the first to notice ESPN's Rob Neyer writing about a pack of 2003 Topps cards, but hopefully not the last: http://espn.go.com/mlb/columns/neyer_rob/1503360.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 18:58:23 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" From John's letter... if you >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do On the contrary, that is exactly what a lot of obc'ers do. I have bought then given away many good cards that I needed for sets, because it helped out someone who was closer to finishing or had some sentimental signifigance...and I almost certainly have received more. That is what makes this group special. >From: "John Collins" >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. >Date: 4 Feb 2003 10:03:15 -0800 >Guys, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I really don't know >why this is an issue. In the final analysis, what is the difference >if an OBCer outbids you, or Joe Shlabotnik from Kansas outbids >you? As with any auction, live or automated, the item will go >to the person who was willing to ante up the most for it. That >fact alone is usually consolation enough for me when I don't >win something on ebay. At least whoever got it is going to pay >more than I would have. Case in point, I lost out on a nice >mid-grade '59 Mantle on Sunday, when my bid was topped only by >a few dollars. The person who outbid me for the card still got >it at a tremendous deal (about 11% of book price). But I had >set my limit at a certain amount, and didn't go over it. >That being said, I will not "knowingly" bid on something that >other OBCers are already after. A few of you have well known >ebay handles, or ones very similar to your e-mail addresses. > So, if I see that, I won't bid. But, like Brock Hattox has >mentioned before, I also frequently use sniper software. That >is another issue where the ethics are sometimes questioned, but >I won't get into that here. Bottom line, I don't always have >time to watch all of my auctions dwindle down into the seconds. > When I am doing this, there is no way to check to see who I >am outbidding, so I'm sure I probably have outbid OBCers in the >I guess this is such an issue because ebay is global and accessable >to everyone at a moment's notice. But think about it, if you >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do >Stepping off the soapbox.... > >--- Original Message --- > >From: "Robert Reed" > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Date: 2/4/03 7:27:48 AM > > > > > > > > > >I know we've had a few discussions about outbidding other OBC'ers >on eBay.  > > > >It seems that some people don't care if they're outbid while >others don't > > > >mind but would like to be notified first.  I generally try to > > > >outbidding another member unless it's an item I really want >and then I'll > > > >try to contact them ahead of time. > > > > > > > >Here's my dilemma that I don't think has been brought up before.  >What is > > > >common courtesy if another member outbids you (whether intentional > > > >unintentional)?  I realize sometimes people get excited about >an item and > > > >bid without even looking at (or recognizing) who has the high >bid.  I've > > > >been guilty of it myself.  I recently missed out on a good deal >and while > > > >I'm glad it went to another member I wouldn't have minded winning >it myself. > > > > > > > >If a situation like this happens again should I back off like >I did or go > > > >ahead and put in another bid myself.  Should I try to contact >the person > > > >when that situation happens?  I'm sure everybody has their own >opinion but > > > >I'd be interested and hearing any comments? > > > > > > > >-Bob R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*  > > > >href="http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail">http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! 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> > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:50:36 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. From: Carlos Alcazar This is a tough issue and I didn't put my 2 cents in before but I think I will this time, Basically the other discussion covered courtesy between OBCer's but I don't think the discussion addressed the other side of any ebay transaction, the I sell stuff on ebay, however 99% of the stuff I sell is UV hockey cards, which might be like comparing apples and oranges but humor me for a moment. Say I was selling some hockey card on ebay and there was a group of UV Hockey collectors that found my auction and since they utilize the same idea of courtesy some of them decided to back off the auction. I as a seller would never know that this occurred, however if I was aware that this was the case I would be pretty angry that some unknown sum was basically removed from my auction since the real price the market could bear was not met. In this scenario my motives for selling are not made clear, perhaps I am a dealer trying to make some money, but I could just as easily be a collector looking to subsidize my collection through ebay sales. In any event it really isn't fair that this group has decided before hand not to bid on my auctions unless none of them have already bid. However, I have never come across a situation where I have been or could have outbid an OBCer so maybe my view is skewed. Curious as to everyones opinion, ================= To: , "Mac Wubben" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:43:49 -0800 From: "John Collins" Perhaps I should have elaborated a little bit more in my context from the passage that Mac just copied: What I meant was, you don't go down to your local card shop and see a deal on ONE PARTICULAR card THAT YOU KNOW YOU NEED for your set, stop, scratch your head and say "humm....I really want this card but......." I never meant to insinuate that OBCers never think of other OBCers when at card buying venues other than ebay. Not at all. Like many of you, I will frequently buy lots of commons, keep what I need, and the rest eventually make it out to OBC or other groups. I meant that if you happen to be shopping just for yourself in that one particular instance, then you probably don't give a second thought to whether or not another OBCer needs that '58 Killebrew card that you have been looking for forever to put in your set, and have finally found with a nice pricetag. I did not mean to suggest that myself or any other OBCers are selfish card misers who stroll into card shops looking to hoard the wealth and never share. Certainly that is not the case. I know Steve Rittenberg for one example and probably many others usually travel with more than just their wantlist, and the stories I hear of random acts of kindness from shows are many. I was trying to illustrate the point (again just personal opinion) that people shouldn't get so worked up if you view ebay the same way as that card you found in the display case. It is a marketplace open to all, just like Chandy's shop down the street from me is. I guess the problem is that nobody can outbid me at the last second at Chandy's, and apparently that is disturbing a few people. So sorry, I never meant to offend anyone or suggest anything that was outside the spirit of OBC. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 3:58 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. > From John's letter... > if you > >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you > >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and > >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so > >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do > >I. > On the contrary, that is exactly what a lot of obc'ers do. I have bought > then given away many good cards that I needed for sets, because it helped > out someone who was closer to finishing or had some sentimental > signifigance...and I almost certainly have received more. That is what > makes this group special. > Mac > >From: "John Collins" > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. > >Date: 4 Feb 2003 10:03:15 -0800 > > > > > > > >Guys, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I really don't know > >why this is an issue. In the final analysis, what is the difference > >if an OBCer outbids you, or Joe Shlabotnik from Kansas outbids > >you? As with any auction, live or automated, the item will go > >to the person who was willing to ante up the most for it. That > >fact alone is usually consolation enough for me when I don't > >win something on ebay. At least whoever got it is going to pay > >more than I would have. Case in point, I lost out on a nice > >mid-grade '59 Mantle on Sunday, when my bid was topped only by > >a few dollars. The person who outbid me for the card still got > >it at a tremendous deal (about 11% of book price). But I had > >set my limit at a certain amount, and didn't go over it. > > > >That being said, I will not "knowingly" bid on something that > >other OBCers are already after. A few of you have well known > >ebay handles, or ones very similar to your e-mail addresses. > > So, if I see that, I won't bid. But, like Brock Hattox has > >mentioned before, I also frequently use sniper software. That > >is another issue where the ethics are sometimes questioned, but > >I won't get into that here. Bottom line, I don't always have > >time to watch all of my auctions dwindle down into the seconds. > > When I am doing this, there is no way to check to see who I > >am outbidding, so I'm sure I probably have outbid OBCers in the > >past. > > > >I guess this is such an issue because ebay is global and accessable > >to everyone at a moment's notice. But think about it, if you > >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you > >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and > >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so > >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do > >I. > > > >Stepping off the soapbox.... > > > >--John > > > > >--- Original Message --- > > >From: "Robert Reed" > > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > >Date: 2/4/03 7:27:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I know we've had a few discussions about outbidding other OBC'ers > >on eBay. > > > > > >It seems that some people don't care if they're outbid while > >others don't > > > > > >mind but would like to be notified first. I generally try to > >avoid > > > > > >outbidding another member unless it's an item I really want > >and then I'll > > > > > >try to contact them ahead of time. > > > > > > > > > > > >Here's my dilemma that I don't think has been brought up before. > >What is > > > > > >common courtesy if another member outbids you (whether intentional > >or > > > > > >unintentional)? I realize sometimes people get excited about > >an item and > > > > > >bid without even looking at (or recognizing) who has the high > >bid. I've > > > > > >been guilty of it myself. I recently missed out on a good deal > >and while > > > > > >I'm glad it went to another member I wouldn't have minded winning > >it myself. > > > > > > > > > > > >If a situation like this happens again should I back off like > >I did or go > > > > > >ahead and put in another bid myself. Should I try to contact > >the person > > > > > >when that situation happens? I'm sure everybody has their own > >opinion but > > > > > >I'd be interested and hearing any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > >-Bob R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > > > > > >href="http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail">http://join.msn.com/?pag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! > >Terms of Service. > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:47:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. To: Mac Wubben , jcollins12@triad.rr.com, From: hoot-owl@comcast.net I have to agree with Mac. I am a relative newcomer to the group but it is a great feeling to help someone finish off a set (let alone finish one myself). I still experience some sort of adolescent joy shipping a few nice surprises to a card trading friend. It is getting more difficult to find some decent deals on Ebay (unless you are BigAl)--and I probably spend way too much time looking. But I follow a couple general guidelines: a) I will not knowingly outbid someone from OBC or the other trading groups I belong to (although I will sometimes try to split lots), b) frequently, I am looking for lots where I might find a couple of cards for myself and a bunch of others to send to someone else, or c) I hunt for cards off of other folk's lists that I may feel indebted. What keeps resonating inside my head is old-time OBCers talking about random acts of kindness. I know I am enjoying that component of the group. peter mead Anybody realize that the first alternative choice in spellcheck for OBCer is abuser (and the second is obscure)? I just don't want to go there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. > From John's letter... > if you > >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you > >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and > >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so > >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do > >I. > On the contrary, that is exactly what a lot of obc'ers do. I have bought > then given away many good cards that I needed for sets, because it helped > out someone who was closer to finishing or had some sentimental > signifigance...and I almost certainly have received more. That is what > makes this group special. > Mac > >From: "John Collins" > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. > >Date: 4 Feb 2003 10:03:15 -0800 > > > > > > > >Guys, I don't mean to offend anyone, but I really don't know > >why this is an issue. In the final analysis, what is the difference > >if an OBCer outbids you, or Joe Shlabotnik from Kansas outbids > >you? As with any auction, live or automated, the item will go > >to the person who was willing to ante up the most for it. That > >fact alone is usually consolation enough for me when I don't > >win something on ebay. At least whoever got it is going to pay > >more than I would have. Case in point, I lost out on a nice > >mid-grade '59 Mantle on Sunday, when my bid was topped only by > >a few dollars. The person who outbid me for the card still got > >it at a tremendous deal (about 11% of book price). But I had > >set my limit at a certain amount, and didn't go over it. > > > >That being said, I will not "knowingly" bid on something that > >other OBCers are already after. A few of you have well known > >ebay handles, or ones very similar to your e-mail addresses. > > So, if I see that, I won't bid. But, like Brock Hattox has > >mentioned before, I also frequently use sniper software. That > >is another issue where the ethics are sometimes questioned, but > >I won't get into that here. Bottom line, I don't always have > >time to watch all of my auctions dwindle down into the seconds. > > When I am doing this, there is no way to check to see who I > >am outbidding, so I'm sure I probably have outbid OBCers in the > >past. > > > >I guess this is such an issue because ebay is global and accessable > >to everyone at a moment's notice. But think about it, if you > >go down to your local card shop and see a deal on a card you > >need for one of your sets, do you stop, scratch your head and > >say "humm....I really want this card but maybe OBC so-and-so > >would want it more....." No, of course you don't. Neither do > >I. > > > >Stepping off the soapbox.... > > > >--John > > > > >--- Original Message --- > > >From: "Robert Reed" > > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > >Date: 2/4/03 7:27:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I know we've had a few discussions about outbidding other OBC'ers > >on eBay. > > > > > >It seems that some people don't care if they're outbid while > >others don't > > > > > >mind but would like to be notified first. I generally try to > >avoid > > > > > >outbidding another member unless it's an item I really want > >and then I'll > > > > > >try to contact them ahead of time. > > > > > > > > > > > >Here's my dilemma that I don't think has been brought up before. > >What is > > > > > >common courtesy if another member outbids you (whether intentional > >or > > > > > >unintentional)? I realize sometimes people get excited about > >an item and > > > > > >bid without even looking at (or recognizing) who has the high > >bid. I've > > > > > >been guilty of it myself. I recently missed out on a good deal > >and while > > > > > >I'm glad it went to another member I wouldn't have minded winning > >it myself. > > > > > > > > > > > >If a situation like this happens again should I back off like > >I did or go > > > > > >ahead and put in another bid myself. Should I try to contact > >the person > > > > > >when that situation happens? I'm sure everybody has their own > >opinion but > > > > > >I'd be interested and hearing any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > >-Bob R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > > > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > > > > > >href="http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail">http://join.msn.com/?pag > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo! > >Terms of Service. > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ebay Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:02:20 -0600 From: "terry ellis" since im disabled and havent worked in a year my concern isnt whos high bidder at present, but is it within my price range, at least until my wife raises my allowance. kit okamuro Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:08:03 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Carlos makes a good point, in my opinion. A significant number of us do sell on ebay at times, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it (this excludes the selling of things we've received free from OBCers, which is clearly not kosher.) In these cases, if we all agree not to outbid one another, we're only hurting our comrade in cards. I don't see the benefit of it there, or with any seller, for that matter. As in any auction, we should simply bid what it's worth to us, and whoever wants it most will win. Obviously we all want to help each others' collections and we do in every way we feel we can. But as John said, if someone outbids me, I'd rather it be an OBCer who gets the item because he wanted it more than I did. For him to refrain from bidding out of "courtesy," and then lose the item to non-OBC at a price lower than he would have paid, gains nothing for anyone. I don't want to do it, and I don't want any of my dear colleagues to do it. So as Lynn said a while back, any of you can outbid me whenever you want to! I will just assume you want it more than I do-- and what's so wrong with ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: uv Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:16:32 -0600 From: "terry ellis" since most of us dont have the best ever to play the game card, i just got some 2001ud tiger woods rc and will share with anyone interested. just lmk. kit okamuro Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 20:17:44 EST Subject: Prewar Dupes To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Greetings all! Here is a list of prewar dupes that I would like to trade for other prewar dupes. I must give preference to a few guys that hit my pre war list recently, but aside from that, just let me know. Diamond Stars 5 Bridges 31 Cuyler (green) 85 Solters 90 Hayworth (blue) #78 Collins (very very very not good condition) 1936 Goudey Abbaticchio - blue sleeves Ames, Hands above head Bender - no trees Chase - blue port Collins - Phil. Amer Crandall - Port, no cap Donlin - Hands on knees Doolan - fielding Dougherty - port Fiene - throwing Griffith - port Griffith - batting Jones - St. Louis F. Jones - port Keeler - batting Killian - port Knoetchy - hands low Krause - port Lake - throwing, no ball in hand Manning - pitching Marquard - port McQuillan - throwing Mitchell - cincinatti Schaefer - Detroit Seymour - throwing T210 Old Mill Series 1 McLeod (in one of those great early plaid uniforms) Series 3 Weeks Ames (cincinatti) Byrne (Phil. Nat) I have SIX dupes of this one. Elberfield, Chattanooga Leach, Cincinatti Mowrey, Pittsburgh Nat. Schaefer, Washington Sweeny (NY Amer) E121 Series of 120 E137 Zeenut 1925 Vernon 1929 Rohwer 1933 Obsorne W515 (Little Wonder version) 4 Bancroft 12 Bentley 52 Groh 23 Pep Young ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:45:04 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com OK I admit it...there have been a very few occasions where I have outbid an OBCer on Ebay....just so I can send that guy the card :-)... Just for the fun of it. I can imagine the look on the face when they see the card they "thought" they lost out on. But then I can be sneaky that way...Heheheee ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:55:23 EST Subject: Filling you all in To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com As you may have seen from my last ramble, things on the work front have totally sucked for a while and I saw the writing on the wall. Well now I can say I have been downsized! Being privy to some information has allowed me to build up a little security blanket while I scour for new employment. Now this is no cry for sympathy or cards, but it did feel weird not having to wake up at 6am and have a place to go. First time in 20 years. Having that pressure off my head is actually a godsend. Funny thing is, I already have an offer on the table to switch careers and get into mortgage lending (see, it pays to pitch well when a team needs you, as I have played for these guys before ). My decision will be to make the full career shift. I'm really leaning to doing it, as technology is flat and when it returns, it won't be the same. So with that said, this may put a damper on Vegas for me. I WILL definitely make A/C. I'm very confident that I can find work as quick as I want to, despite what the economy says. I already have another interview lined up for another kind of sales too. So, I just wanted to let everyone know.... it's all good here on LI and maybe I will finally take a break (even if it was forced lol). Man, its nice to have that stress off my chest. And of course, thanks to OBC for letting me vent it out. ================= Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:59:25 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anniversary Available day 4 To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Has it really been that long? To think, we started out trading mini's on Prodigy! Amazing how the time has flown and the stories that have gone on here in the 10+ years I've been a part of the group. Well, you know you have a lifelong friend on the other coast here on LI. Happy Anniversary and let me know when you offer that 1960 Mantle :).... ================= Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 22:25:18 -0500 Subject: finally--my HOM nominee To: obc ramblings From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Gehrig, Greenberg, Foxx, DiMaggio, Williams, Berra, Mantle, Frank Robinson, Yaz, Hubbell, Banks, Aaron, Mays, Clemente, Schmidt, Bench and Bonds are among the greats that have won MVP awards. As a kid you could only dream of having a dream season in the big leagues. There are a handful of MVP winners who had that single dream season: Bobby Schantz for the 52 A's, Frank McCormick for the 1940 Cincinnati Reds, Zoilo Versalles for the 65 Twins and my HOM nominee Jim Konstanty of the 1950 Philadelphia Phillies Whiz Kids. Why Konstanty? In the forties, Big Jim was my Dad's phys. ed. teacher and in my Dad's words a bit of a harsh taskmaster (I suppose some of the whiz kids would say the same thing about the team's old man). He would teach until spring training started. During the short time they lived in my home town the Konstantys became very close friends with my grandparents--even leaving their kids with my grandparents when they traveled south for spring training. Uncle Jim had his magical year in 1950. The National league MVP--going 16-7 appearing in 74 games as a relief pitcher. Eddie Sawyer made him a surprise starter in game one of the series and he lost a heartbreaker 1-0. After 1950 Uncle Jim never experienced the same level of success as he spent a few more years with the Phillies, Yankees and Cardinals. He would routinely leave Yankee tickets for my Aunt while she was going to school in NY (I can only imagine free tickets to see the mid-50s Yanks). Uncle Jim retired to run his sporting goods store in Oneonta and in the late fifties he traded in a life insurance policy to buy a small fishing cottage on Lake Otsego about five miles north of Cooperstown. In the mid-sixties I got to know my Uncle Jim and Aunt Mary with several summer trips to the cottage on Lake Otsego. Uncle Jim would take us into Cooperstown and on to Abner Doubleday Field where he taught my two older brothers and me not only how to play the game, but also to truly appreciate the game (to this day I will go to any game anywhere--and just about anytime). We would then head over to the Hall of Fame where the director was a friend and my entire family would get in free. Baseball and his MVP trophy were really larger than life for a six or seven year old boy. I can date some of the vacation trips because Uncle Jim would take us down to his sporting goods store--and on one of those trips he gave us a box of 1965 high numbers (I don't know why we didn't go back to the store in 66 or 67). My first Dormand postcard is a personalized autographed Konstanty--a short printed card from the 1953-55 set (it also has the obligatory thumbtack holes). On another one of those summer trips (1966), we left Cooperstown to go on a day trip and ended up at Shea Stadium where Uncle Jim was pitching in an old timer's game. I still have the menu from the Shea Stadium Grill Room with "to Chris, Best wishes Phil Rizzuto," to Pat, good luck Phil Rizzuto," to Peter, all the best Phil Rizzuto." (Chris and Pat are my brothers). There is also a signature To Jerry from Casey Stengal--I am still wondering who Jerry was. What I do remember is a steady stream of old ball players, with names I recognized, coming over to our table. My Uncle Jim died relatively young in the mid-70s. But I should say that over the years, I still stop at the cottage on Otsego Lake to visit my Aunt Mary and show my kids where I spent a little bit of my idyllic youth. I also visit for the baseball stories and to hear tales of my grandparents from a completely different perspective. She also still insists on paying my way into the Hall of Fame. On my last visit she retold a story on how the Boston Braves cut my Uncle Jim to keep a young lefthander. Of course, this was the late forties and the southpaw was Warren Spahn. So enough said (and lord knows I don't want to compete with Morganti and Rittenberg for lengthy rambles)--Casimir James Konstanty is my HOM nominee. Here is my listing of available Konstanty material (thanks to Josh Levine's monster Phillies listing for a couple of these items): My Jim Konstanty HOM listing 1947-66 Exhibit Aug. 1950 Baseball Digest 1949 Eureka Sportstamp Nov. 1950 Baseball Digest 1950 R423 orange back 1951 Camel Cigarette magazine ad 1950 Bowman 1951 Who's who in Baseball 1951 Bowman May 1951 Sports Action comic book 1951 Berk Ross panel with Russ Meyer July 1951 SportLife magazine 1951 Bread for Energy-yellow version 1951 Phillies Zippo lighter 1952 Topps 1952 Players pin 1953 Bowman Black & white Needs and wants 1955 Dormand Postcard 1950 R423 green back 1955 Bowman 1950 R423 purple back 1956 Topps 1949 Philadelphia Bulletin 1957 Topps St. Louis Cardinals team 1951 Bread for Energy-blue or red version 1961 Topps MVP 1952 Konstanty/Blackwell charm 1963 Fun Cards by GAD 1956 Topps Yankee team card 1960s St. Louis Cardinals postcard 1950's comic strip RJ Reynolds ad 1975 TCMA 1979 TCMA and of course--anything else... 1980 TCMA-whiz kids 1951 Topps current AS 1983 TCMA-1944 Playball (at the same time I find my 52 Mantle) ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 00:11:55 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding. To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com An OBC shirt with a Mathewson T3 on it is really special. Thanks, Mac. - ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 05:35:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: $100k Mantle/Hat/web page From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: keithsummers@webtv.net From: ended@ebay.com Subject: eBay Auction 2705559672 Cancelled - Results Null and Void Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 08:07:00 PST ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 06:42:01 EST Subject: 68 Bazooka Follow-Up To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Holy Cow!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2929&item=2705079788& ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:00:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: trimmed 52T Mays on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2707729404&category=642 Looks sharp, but it better, being trimmed and all. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:26:59 EST Subject: Rick Scogland sent me this link... To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com http://www.theonion.com/onion3904/yankees.html Maybe this is what baseball needs? Ken M ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Available Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:42:14 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. Today is also my anniversary at work, 18 years at Boeing. Yes, 5 years of work and the rest hiding from the boss collecting a check. Can retirement befar away? Let's hope so! Today's treat 63 Jell-O 4, 129 61 post 120 63 post 12, 42, 77, 157 leftovers 60 fleer #20 Collins Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:02:49 EST Subject: Nerdy web page help needed. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com As many of you know, I have a fairly decent collection of 78RPM records and wax cylinders that deal with baseball. (I might be the only one with this type of collection, I don't know of anyone else.) My question is this. I would like to have it so that when they click on the graphic of a record, it will play a 5-10 second sound clip. What is the easiest way to get some of that music on the web page? ( I know how to record the music with the computer, but how do I make it work the way I want it to?) If I can get this worked out, I will have a web site dedicated to JUST my recordings and that will allow me more room for my cards on my card pages. By the way... I have done all my web page work with Microsoft Publisher. Also, speak slowly and use small words, I am not very good at this. It takes me days to update my web page. ================= Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 20:17:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Its Here..ITS HERE!! From: "kevin71058 " Hi all, I opened a package from Steve Rittenberg today and low and behold the Jewel of all Jewels, a OBC Baseball cap!! My wife is worried that I may where it to bed..hey I told her I would try anything once.(LOL) Thanks Steve!! OBC - Christmas all year long!! Happy Trading, ================= To: Subject: OBC T-Shirts Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:05:54 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" It is not to late to order your OBC T-Shirt! Cost is ONLY $10 which includes shipping to your address! So far I have 54 confirmed orders! Contact me if interested! ================= To: Subject: OBC Member Paul Biggs Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:50:51 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Paul: You expressed interest in an OBC T-Shirt. I have tried to email you but my messages keep getting bounced back I guess I have a bad email address. Contact me please! update: 56 Shirts sold! All: contact me if you want one! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: anyone active that we collect? Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 18:33:33 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I asked this question a year or more ago - Will there be anyone active in the majors this year who would have a card from 1980 or earlier? Who is the last OBC-era player? I thought Rickey Henderson was a free agent at the moment. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:02:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] anyone active that we collect? To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Mike Morgan and Jesse Orosco had had pre-1981 cards and were on 2002 rosters. Not sure of their plans for 2003. 1977 Modesto A's Chong 5 Rickey Henderson-Sic, Ricky 1979 Ogden A's TCMA 3 Mike Morgan 1979 Ogden A's TCMA 9 Rickey Henderson 1979 Tidewater Tides TCMA 23 Jesse Orosco 1980 Topps 482 Rickey Henderson 1980 Topps 671 A's Rookies/M.Morgan 1980 Topps 681 Mets Rookies/J.Orosco/M.Scott 1980-81 Venezuelan League Stickers 210 Jesse Orozco --- George Vrechek wrote: > I asked this question a year or more ago - > Will there be anyone active in the majors this year who would have a card from 1980 or earlier? > Who is the last OBC-era player? > I thought Rickey Henderson was a free agent at the moment. > George Vrechek Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:26:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] anyone active that we collect? To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Check out Jessie Orosco, I think he had a rookie card in 79. ================= Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:27:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] anyone active that we collect? To: ChicoD1@aol.com, vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Jesse Orosco was signed by the Padres a few months back...I assume he will make the roster as a left-handed relief specialist...If I have children and one happens to be a boy, I plan to tie his right arm behind his back for the first 10 years of development... Henderson might head back to the A's (really). I would be surprised if he did not end up somewhere. Mike Morgan will probably pitch as a relief specialist as well. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] childhood as I recall it Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:54:47 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" This needs to be on the OBC website !! great job, Bob. We have a talented group of guys here, don't we ! This story was so realistic,Bob you had me believing that you actually had 15 Spook Jacobs and no Mickey Mantle !! That's preposterous !! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Saxton To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 4:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] childhood as I recall it One of my other pleasures is a little dabbling in writing on a website called writings.com. and this is one of the pieces I posted there: Baseball Cards and Bubble Gum.......those were the days! I belong to an old baseball card collector's group on the internet. One of the other members recently sent me some cards and included a special treat with them. It was the bubble gum that came with the cards that triggered the memories. Memories of my very best childhood friend, Argyle Wallenpaupack. We all called him Sox. Why we became friends, I'll never know. He was everything I wasn't..rich, good looking, immensely popular (see prior adjectives), well dressed, well spoken, well done. I was rare and half-baked. I collected baseball cards. He collected the gum. His main problem was that he wasn't allowed to frequent the candy stores. Or chew gum. I often felt sorry for Sox. There were so many things his parents wouldn't allow him to So he and I worked out a very simple arrangement. Every Saturday morning,he would bribe his chauffeur to drive him to the school playground. There I would climb into the back seat of the limo, accept the handful of wadded up bills, and depart for Tony's Corner Emporium to make his purchases for him. A few minutes later, as I nonchalantly lolled on the bench at the bus stop two blocks away, the limo would glide to a stop, I'd glance around to make sure no one was watching, and hop in. For the next several hours, Sox would indulge his forbidden lust for chewing bubble gum as I unwrapped pack after pack of cards seeking the Mickey Mantle I knew was sure to be there but only finding the fifteenth card of Mayo Smith or Spook Jacobs. About mid-afternoon Sox's jaw would be aching, and I would have become bored reading the captions on the back of the cards... "Moose drives a beer truck in the off-season"...."Jim is expected to become the next Joe DiMaggioif he can stay away from the bottle".."Orville leads the league in gettinghit in the head by pitched balls". The driver would let me off at the public library so Sox and I could bothhonestly say we'd been there. Sox would give me the cards, which became the cornerstone of my collection, and he would save any unchewed pieces of gum to smuggle into the mansionfor later enjoyment. The secret vault off his bedroom held enough gum to last a lifetime. The chewed gum he saved in a designer leather briefcase. He was quite creative and very artistic, and harbored a dream of someday creating a miniature sculpture of Mount Rushmore out of used chewing gum, navel lint and ear wax. I don't know if he ever accomplished his dream. The year we entered junior high school, Sox and his family moved away, to an island they purchased in the Mediterranean. I only heard from him a couple times after that. For a while he considered entering the priesthood and I think that consideration arose when bubble gum was no longer included with the baseball cards. The last I heard, though, he had given away all of his wealth and was living on a tuna fishing boat on Lake Michigan. Rationing the remnants of his bubble gum supply so it would last a lifetime. Bubble gum with baseball cards. The world was a better place then. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A difficult week....... Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 9:38:21 +0000 From: Glenn Codere The past week and a half have been tough here in Glasgow. Last week, a work colleague suffered a massive heart attack while sitting at his desk. Despite the immediate attention of some of the medics who work within our unit – including 40 minutes of CPR – and paramedics, he died right there. Many of those who I work with are medically trained – nurses, clinicians, etc. – who have seen this sort of thing on a fairly regular basis and have the ability to take it in their stride. Many more of us, however, are simply office workers. We’re not used to seeing death so up close, or dealing with it quite as easily. What was even more distressing was the fact that all of this happened right in front of his partner of 7 years, whose desk was only 4 along from his. She was in such a terrible state of shock that she had to be drawn away by colleagues to the ambulance and sedated. I’ve worked alongside Stuart for 11 years, and though I never really knew him that well on a social level, we always got along fine. So why should this affect me so much, you may ask? Well, the guy was only 45 years old, just 3 years older than I am. It really gives you a short, sharp shock when your own mortality is suddenly brought to your attention like that. The very suddenness of it all is what scared me so much. The inability to say goodbye to your loved ones and to make your peace with whichever God you choose to worship is frightening. His funeral took place yesterday, and the turn out from our unit was terrific – over 60 people. The dignity of his family during the service – especially his mother and his 2 teenage children – was a sight to behold. The obvious pride that they had in Stuart, and the absolute faith that they had in their religion shone through. This was only the second funeral that I’ve attended in the past 2 years – both have involved parents saying farewell to their children. I know that its been said so many times before, but no parent should ever have to go through that. I say this in the knowledge that some among our group are so very acutely aware of that, and while it is a trauma that I shall never have to go through – not being a parent – I’ve now witnessed it more often than I care to. I feel so emotionally and physically drained by the events of the past week. To witness the passing of this man first hand, after speaking to him in the staff kitchen less than an hour earlier, was something that I hope I’ll never have to go through again. I’m sorry about the morose content of this ramble, but I just needed to get this out of my system. I can think of few finer groups on whom to lean than the members of OBC. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] anyone active that we collect? Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 04:15:35 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I collect both Mike Morgan and Jesse Orosco. Orosco's first card is 1980 Topps #681. There is also a Venezuelan sticker from the same year - #210. Mike Morgan's first card is also 1980 Topps - #671. Of course, we all know Mr. Henderson's first card, not card minor leaguer cards, debuts in the 1980 set as well. ================= Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:01:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: ebay bidding From: "jmoleta30341 " Hello All, I believe I am the guilty party in this case, unless Bob has lost multiple auctions to OBCers recently. Bob, I am sorry to have outbid you, but this case seems different to me from other OBC outbid cases I have seen (& been "victimized" by) in the past. I read another OBCer's Ramble earlier in the week calling attention to an auction that he couldnt afford. When I looked at this auction, I saw that he had not yet bid on it, but of the 4 bids on the auction already 3 were from OBCers. I figured I could take a shot, and if I won possibly upgrade my cards and send him a couple of my dupes. After I bid I even had another OBCer email me, asking about my high bid, and I welcomed him to outbid me by telling him where my high bid level was. (A second OBCer also emailed, but I didnt read his email until after the auction had closed.) In the past, when I have recognized another OBCer as high bidder on an auction in a non-competitive situation (which has happened often), I have either let that lot go, or contacted the OBCer to see how badly he/she needs the card(s). If it is a group of cards, I'll ask if they are willing to work out a deal for the part I am interested in. That said, when I have spotted a potential OBC bidding war in the past, I have come up with a high bid I am comfortable with and placed my bid, which is what I did here. Like Bob, I am interested in hearing comments on my approach, as I do not wish to have anyone among the group harbor any ill will toward ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: A question for the "virtual" collectors... Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:47:04 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Steve Rittenberg has been kind enough to send me a card for my Bobby Thomson collection. We both believe it to be a 1947 Homogenized Bond Bread issue, but I was hoping someone out there could send me a scan of that particular card so that I can confirm. Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:06:34 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" I have stated my opinions before on this matter but since it's still a topic of discussion I guess I'll chirp in one more time. It doesn't seem right that someone would get upset by being outbid by a fellow OBC to me and it doesn't seem right that a member would back away from an auction because another member is bidding on it. I bid the maximum amount I'm willing to pay. If I'm outbid, that only means that I wasn't willing to overpay, (in my estimation of the value), for the item. If I'm outbid by an OBCer, well, that's a good thing. At least one our guys got the prize and if it was a lot that was purchased, I'd bet a Malzone rookie card, (if I had one), that many of those cards will hit the distribution trail out to other OBCers soon. I'm getting ready for my 2003 Fantasy auction in a couple of weeks, (our 23rd year). I hope none of the guys get too sore at me for outbidding them on Nomar. Friendship shouldn't be affected by the fact that cool players, (and cards), are coveted by a multitude of people, not just ourselves. When you lose out on one, you should tip your cap and go after another. (oh yeah, then you try to trade for the one you really wanted. ;~) Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:01 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding > Hello All, > I believe I am the guilty party in this case, unless Bob has lost > multiple auctions to OBCers recently. Bob, I am sorry to have outbid > you, but this case seems different to me from other OBC outbid cases > I have seen (& been "victimized" by) in the past. I read another > OBCer's Ramble earlier in the week calling attention to an auction > that he couldnt afford. When I looked at this auction, I saw that he > had not yet bid on it, but of the 4 bids on the auction already 3 > were from OBCers. I figured I could take a shot, and if I won > possibly upgrade my cards and send him a couple of my dupes. After I > bid I even had another OBCer email me, asking about my high bid, and > I welcomed him to outbid me by telling him where my high bid level > was. (A second OBCer also emailed, but I didnt read his email > until after the auction had closed.) > In the past, when I have recognized another OBCer as high bidder on > an auction in a non-competitive situation (which has happened often), > I have either let that lot go, or contacted the OBCer to see how > badly he/she needs the card(s). If it is a group of cards, I'll ask > if they are willing to work out a deal for the part I am interested > in. That said, when I have spotted a potential OBC bidding war in the > past, I have come up with a high bid I am comfortable with and placed > my bid, which is what I did here. > Like Bob, I am interested in hearing comments on my approach, as I do > not wish to have anyone among the group harbor any ill will toward > me. > James > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:37:37 EST Subject: 55 BOWMAN MANTLE OBC STYLE OBC PRICE To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com HEY I SAW THIS ONE I almost jumpped on it, but im saving my $$$$ for Ft Wash, I also already have it and the next 55 bowman Mantle i buy will be a $1000.00 upgrade lol eBay item 2705816934 (Ends Feb-06-03 17:06:53 PST ) - MICKEY MANTLE 1955 BOWMAN NO RESERVE ================= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:12:49 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 BOWMAN MANTLE OBC STYLE OBC PRICE To: Celenox@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com In the spirit of the Ebay conversation...Big Al (I refuse to call him Saint, because I know him so well ) has posted a bid on the card. I would usually contact that OBCer directly if I have an interest in a particular card. Now since this is a Yankee, you know I'll pass on this one :-)... ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:50:53 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" My two cents... actually more like a quarter when you consider the length of this ramble but anyway.... Personally, I'd prefer to pay the minimum reasonable amount for a card, notthe maximum I want to pay. All you guys who bid your maximum and get it for less should be going back to the sellers and offering them more money. You ARE willing to pay more than your winning bid, aren't you? In fact, you never pay your MAXIMUM. You only pay what the second highest guy was willing, plus an increment. Sometimes that is your MAX, but often it is not.If you like, I'll write the sellers and tell them that you were willing to pay more. I'm sure they'd happily take your money. What? That's not what you meant? Bidding against other OBCers is a separate issue in my mind. I am willing to bet that at a LIVE auction, if a group of us were sitting together and saw a great card or great lot, there'd be far less competition than there ison eBay. And there would be no sniping. I feel that eBay is similar though I cannot see all the people interested. I suppose based on all the discussion I'm hearing, I should start taking a hands off, screw-you stance. That you get that 61 Mantle for $50.00 will mean nothing to me! I'm going to bid $50.01. Its your fault for not wanting to pay more. If you are the only guy in on an auction and get can something at the minimum bid, but I'm willing to pay $10, then I'm going to grab it. The fun you get from grabbing bargains will mean nothing to me!! I WANT THAT CARD AND I'LL BID MY MAX FOR IT. Personally, this attitude sickensme now, but I'll try to get used to it. For every auction, people need to decide how much they bid, when they bid and how they are going to bid. Will they bid their max as soon as they see the item and declare to the world "this is what I'm going to pay". Or perhaps they'd prefer to be quieter and use a snipe tool. Each one of us puts a different value on our time. The issue of sniping gets mixed up with theissue of outbidding others. There are 150 OBCers now and that means there are at least 150 different strategies for bidding on eBay. I personally have several. There are lots of items that I'll put in a "low ball bid", not really expecting to get the item but wanting it at that below-market price. For items I want more urgently, either I'll bid my max and then take my chances. And then sometimes there is "eBay as a sport". Can I win a competition against other bidders?I get a rush from watching the clock tick down. As time runs out, I am willing to pay more in order to "not lose". That may be irrational to someof you but they way I see it, its just the same as if a dealer at a show is holding out for an extra buck. Do I want to keep looking or am I going to re-evaluate my "maximum price" and pay more. When I've been searching for a while for something, I'm willing to pay more. That's a fair trade-off against the time I would expect to spend if I pass this up. Fortunately for my peace of mind, I have finished most of my Topps run and therefore do not end up bidding against other OBCers very often. But whenit comes to stuff still on my list, I'll start adapting the cut throat attitude many of you advocate. If there is a cool Tris Speaker card I need for my Red Sox collection, I'll outbid an OBCer even though I never saw the card before that day but the other guy has been searching for a while. I've been sniped plenty of times and rambled/whined about it. After a while, I've come to see that I can expect no courtesy when bidding against strangers. Nor do I really go out of my way to extend any to them. Now I will start treating OBCers like strangers. If someone writes in to Ramblingsabout a cheap "OBC-style" lot on eBay, they could be raising the final bidto the strangers who knew about it already. So I suppose that is out too. And when it comes to shows, I'll let Joe Shlabotnik start buying the bargains that I see. If the OBCer wanted it enough, then he would have either found it himself or raised his "acceptable price" to the point where he would buy it. Who cares if I have the time and access to shows but you don't? That's your problem, not mine, pal. This new attitude will save me lots of money though deprive me of the joy of helping others. But so be it. That seems to be what we are heading to. And when I see that Ken, for example, is buying a card that I need at a show, I'll jump in and offer the seller an extra dollar. No reason that the seller should not get the absolute maximum that anyone wants to pay. Screw Ken! I want that card!! Is this attitude different than outbidding each other on eBay? No more "whoever finds it first gets it", its "whoever wants it the most". No more wasting my time looking out for you. I'm sure that eBay sellers and card show dealers will love this new attitude. Relationships are inconsequential -- its only about the cards, right? I didn't think that was the way OBCers thought, but I'm learning differently. A couple times recently, people have brought up the issue of how we should really be more considerate of eBay sellers. I want to know how many of these people win a card for below "market value" or below their minimum bid and then go back and offer more money to the seller. On eBay, its suggestedthat behind the scenes discussions are illegal. We should avoid collusionby bidders. No cooperation -- its against eBay rules! As I understand it, a seller has a choice about how to list an item. I know plenty of sellers (Chandy, Sims, House of Cards come to mind) that use low minimum bids in order to attract interest in their auctions. Do they expect that Mantle to go for $1? Nope. They've figured out that the market will work itself out and people will pay a fair price. Sometimes they get less than expected, sometimes more. If they are unhappy about their final bids, they can set reserves. Up to now, I feel far more loyalty towards any of you than I do to any seller out there. I'm learning that the number of like-minded people in OBC is not as high as I thought. The connections and relationships I've created in OBC are more precious, fragile and important than any other in my life. I'll need to learn that when it comes to eBay, relationships be damned. Thank you for opening my eyes to the cruel realities of the real world. In a way though, the long-held OBC rules will still hold. "What comes around, goes around" use to meanthat if I'm generous with you, I'll get payback eventually either directlyor indirectly. Now it means that its just fine for you to increase the time and money it takes me to acquire cards by competing against me. And its just fine for me to do the same to you. Payback has a whole new meaning,huh? I don't know how I'll sleep at night. Well, actually I don't sleep much at nights now so there's little to lose. hahaha. I suppose its nice I can end this bitter and cynical letter with some humor. ================= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:16:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hello srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg), In reference to your comment: =E8 And then sometimes there is "eBay as a sport". Can I =E8 win a competition against other bidders? I get a rush =E8 from watching the clock tick down. As time runs out, =E8 I am willing to pay more in order to "not =E8 lose". Steve...time for the meds ~=BFo... But I do love the ebay as a sport. There have been times I've opened two or three browsers to win something in the last 15 seconds. But I subscribe that if I see a card that I recognize the name, I yield. If I really need it, I'll email. What we should probably concentrate on are some of those lots of cards, we can make a group bid and split em up. I get the Mets, you guys take what you like :). I wanted to do that with some OPC lots that were out there. And it might be a good way to build a dupes box. ================= Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:25:41 EST Subject: super bowl pool To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com not sure if sean checks in daily, so could anyone tell me who the 4 winners were of the super bowl pool? tnx, gm ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:06:10 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" Ouch! I guess we see things a bit differently. I don't recall ever outbidding an OBCer, though I may have, not knowing their user name. However, my point was to discourage getting mad at each other when it happens. As for myself, If anyone in OBC sees my user name 'Yazmon' on a bid they may feel free to bid over me. No apologies are necessary and I will certainly not think of you as having a "cut throat attitude" In order to minimize any flame throwing, I'll not comment on this subject any further except to say I'm sorry if my opinions offended anyone else. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding My two cents... actually more like a quarter when you consider the length of this ramble but anyway.... Personally, I'd prefer to pay the minimum reasonable amount for a card, not the maximum I want to pay. All you guys who bid your maximum and get itfor less should be going back to the sellers and offering them more money.You ARE willing to pay more than your winning bid, aren't you? In fact, you never pay your MAXIMUM. You only pay what the second highest guy was willing, plus an increment. Sometimes that is your MAX, but often it is not. If you like, I'll write the sellers and tell them that you were willing to pay more. I'm sure they'd happily take your money. What? That's notwhat you meant? Bidding against other OBCers is a separate issue in my mind. I am willing to bet that at a LIVE auction, if a group of us were sitting together andsaw a great card or great lot, there'd be far less competition than there is on eBay. And there would be no sniping. I feel that eBay is similar though I cannot see all the people interested. I suppose based on all the discussion I'm hearing, I should start taking a hands off, screw-you stance. That you get that 61 Mantle for $50.00 willmean nothing to me! I'm going to bid $50.01. Its your fault for not wanting to pay more. If you are the only guy in on an auction and get can something at the minimum bid, but I'm willing to pay $10, then I'm going to grab it. The fun you get from grabbing bargains will mean nothing to me!! I WANT THAT CARD AND I'LL BID MY MAX FOR IT. Personally, this attitude sickens me now, but I'll try to get used to it. For every auction, people need to decide how much they bid, when they bidand how they are going to bid. Will they bid their max as soon as they see the item and declare to the world "this is what I'm going to pay". Or perhaps they'd prefer to be quieter and use a snipe tool. Each one of us puts a different value on our time. The issue of sniping gets mixed up with the issue of outbidding others. There are 150 OBCers now and that means there are at least 150 different strategies for bidding on eBay. I personally have several. There are lotsof items that I'll put in a "low ball bid", not really expecting to get the item but wanting it at that below-market price. For items I want more urgently, either I'll bid my max and then take my chances. And then sometimes there is "eBay as a sport". Can I win a competition against other bidders? I get a rush from watching the clock tick down. As time runs out, I amwilling to pay more in order to "not lose". That may be irrational to some of you but they way I see it, its just the same as if a dealer at a showis holding out for an extra buck. Do I want to keep looking or am I going to re-evaluate my "maximum price" and pay more. When I've been searching for a while for something, I'm willing to pay more. That's a fair trade-off against the time I would expect to spend if I pass this up. Fortunately for my peace of mind, I have finished most of my Topps run and therefore do not end up bidding against other OBCers very often. But when it comes to stuff still on my list, I'll start adapting the cut throat attitude many of you advocate. If there is a cool Tris Speaker card I needfor my Red Sox collection, I'll outbid an OBCer even though I never saw the card before that day but the other guy has been searching for a while. I've been sniped plenty of times and rambled/whined about it. After a while, I've come to see that I can expect no courtesy when bidding against strangers. Nor do I really go out of my way to extend any to them. Now I will start treating OBCers like strangers. If someone writes in to Ramblings about a cheap "OBC-style" lot on eBay, they could be raising the final bid to the strangers who knew about it already. So I suppose that is out too. And when it comes to shows, I'll let Joe Shlabotnik start buying the bargains that I see. If the OBCer wanted it enough, then he would have either found it himself or raised his "acceptable price" to the point where hewould buy it. Who cares if I have the time and access to shows but you don't? That's your problem, not mine, pal. This new attitude will save me lots of money though deprive me of the joyof helping others. But so be it. That seems to be what we are heading to. And when I see that Ken, for example, is buying a card that I need at ashow, I'll jump in and offer the seller an extra dollar. No reason that the seller should not get the absolute maximum that anyone wants to pay. Screw Ken! I want that card!! Is this attitude different than outbiddingeach other on eBay? No more "whoever finds it first gets it", its "whoever wants it the most". No more wasting my time looking out for you. I'm sure that eBay sellers and card show dealers will love this new attitude. Relationships are inconsequential -- its only about the cards, right? I didn't think that was the way OBCers thought, but I'm learning differently. A couple times recently, people have brought up the issue of how we should really be more considerate of eBay sellers. I want to know how many of these people win a card for below "market value" or below their minimum bid and then go back and offer more money to the seller. On eBay, its suggested that behind the scenes discussions are illegal. We should avoid collusion by bidders. No cooperation -- its against eBay rules! As I understand it, a seller has a choice about how to list an item. I know plenty of sellers (Chandy, Sims, House of Cards come to mind) that use low minimum bids in order to attract interest in their auctions. Do they expect that Mantle to go for $1? Nope. They've figured out that the market will work itself out and people will pay a fair price. Sometimes they get less than expected, sometimes more. If they are unhappy about their final bids, they can set reserves. Up to now, I feel far more loyalty towards any of you than I do to any seller out there. I'm learning that the number of like-minded people in OBC is not as high as I thought. The connections and relationships I've created in OBC are more precious, fragile and important than any other in my life. I'll need to learn that when it comes to eBay, relationships be damned. Thank you for opening my eyes to the cruel realities of the real world. In a way though, the long-held OBC rules will still hold. "What comes around, goes around" use to mean that if I'm generous with you, I'll get payback eventually either directly or indirectly. Now it means that its just fine for you to increase thetime and money it takes me to acquire cards by competing against me. And its just fine for me to do the same to you. Payback has a whole new meaning, I don't know how I'll sleep at night. Well, actually I don't sleep muchat nights now so there's little to lose. hahaha. I suppose its nice I can end this bitter and cynical letter with some humor. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] trimmed 52T Mays on eBay Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:22:41 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I bid on this... I bid what I paid for my beat-up one, figuring that I could then sell my beat-up one. My bid is less than $100, so I'm sure it will get beat. If you are bidding, and were going to go higher than that. Please do. Good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] trimmed 52T Mays on eBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2707729404&category=642 > Looks sharp, but it better, being trimmed and all. > -- > Spike > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 05:13:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anniversary Availables day 6 From: "alcattle " This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great this group has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you for enjoying my silly game. 1949 Bowman 93 109 119 121 133 1950 Bowman 103 158 ================= Date: 7 Feb 2003 09:06:31 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: How would you feel if another OBCer "knowingly" outbid you (without snipe software) in the final 4 seconds ($11.01 vs $11.02) on a card you really wanted, without contacting you first? Assume you were the listed high bidder for several days, the winner did not know your view on this issue, the card was NM & books for $20 NM & the auction was not broadcast to OBC at anytime. Vote by 2-10-03. o I'd be furious! o I'd be mad. o I'd be slightly annoyed. o No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad. o I'd be happy an OBCer won it. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11041217 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: 7 Feb 2003 09:55:53 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Would you ever "knowingly" outbid another OBCer without 1st contacting them? For the purposes of this poll, if snipe software is used, that is not considered "knowingly". Also assume the person has never knowingly outbid you. Vote by 2-10-03. o No, unless I know they would not mind based on previous opinions. o probably not (2% chance) o maybe, if no time to contact them. o probably (98%) o Yes To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11041233 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: Subject: OBC T-Shirts Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:49:51 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" I am going to close orders Sunday night. OBC members have confirmed sixty-three (63) T-Shirt orders. Lynn is only looking for two more PayPal payments, and I know a large group of checks are headed my way. So most of the shirts are already paid for. This is a greater response than I expected, I think it is great! When I look at this long list of names, colors of shirts, and sizes, there is a large potential for me to screw something up. But I will give it my best effort. This project has helped me get back into the OBC spirit. I have enjoyed every minute of it so far. I needed something to dig me out of my two year slump. Anyway, thanks for trusting me and Lynn. It is STILL not to late to order your OBC T-Shirt. Ten ($10) dollars each which includes shipping to your house. Contact me if interested. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:08:15 -0800 From: scarter@multek.com I didn't see the option to vote for "What does "NM" mean?". -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:07 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: How would you feel if another OBCer "knowingly" outbid you (without snipe software) in the final 4 seconds ($11.01 vs $11.02) on a card you really wanted, without contacting you first? Assume you were the listed high bidder for several days, the winner did not know your view on this issue, the card was NM & books for $20 NM & the auction was not broadcast to OBC at anytime. Vote by 2-10-03. o I'd be furious! o I'd be mad. o I'd be slightly annoyed. o No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad. o I'd be happy an OBCer won it. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11041217 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: scarter@multek.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: 7 Feb 2003 09:32:30 -0800 From: "John Collins" From the webster's card dictionary: NM -(adj.) - aged price and condition guide term for a card which is actually in Near Mint condition. Rarely used in OBC circles. Please see "Fair" "Poor" "Poor Minus" and "Tipton Mint." >--- Original Message --- >From: scarter@multek.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 2/7/03 12:08:15 PM >I didn't see the option to vote for "What does "NM" mean?". >-----Original Message----- >From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:07 AM >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings >Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the >OBC-Ramblings group: >How would you feel if another OBCer "knowingly" outbid you (without >software) in the final 4 seconds ($11.01 vs $11.02) on a card you really >wanted, without contacting you first?  Assume you were the listed >bidder for several days, the winner did not know your view on this issue, >the card was NM & books for $20 NM & the auction was not broadcast to OBC at >anytime.  Vote by 2-10-03. >  o I'd be furious! >  o I'd be mad. >  o I'd be slightly annoyed. >  o No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad. >  o I'd be happy an OBCer won it. >To vote, please visit the following web page: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11041217  >Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are >not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! >web site listed above. >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OPC Gretzky RC $100 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:22:10 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Here's one on ebay. I think the seller inadvertently used Buy It Now. Only $100 for this card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category23849&item2708820228 ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables day 7 Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 11:47:34 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1962 Post 67 x2, 76, 96 x3, 102 x2, 117, 132 x3, 133, 135, 146 x4, 160, 162x4, 181 x3, 193 x2 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: I am still here... Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:03:51 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" Hi Guys, 1. There is a lot of snow! (15, Needham) 2. I can talk pretty easily. 3. I can read some ihings. 4. I can't write at all. (Roberta is typing this) 5. The Goon Great s OBC ================= To: "Rick Redpath" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I am still here... Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:26:58 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Rick: Superb! Hi Guys, 1. There is a lot of snow! (15, Needham) 2. I can talk pretty easily. 3. I can read some ihings. 4. I can't write at all. (Roberta is typing this) 5. The Goon Great s OBC To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: 8 Feb 2003 00:44:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thus far the following members have been nominated to serve either as voting members or facilitator of OBCAC. One decline of nomination was received from Bob D'angelo who was unable to accept nomination for facilitator but was willing to serve as a voting member. Therefore I'm shifting him to that category. Mike Hair Joshua Levine Doug Smith Steve Rittenberg Larry Tipton Geno Wagner Voting Member: Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Todd Knowles Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Jim Wiehe Bob Reed Mike Hair Bob D'Angelo Deadline for nominations is 12 noon PST, February 15. ================= Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:44:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tipton 55B Aaron on Ebay From: "alcattle " No one needs Hank? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: autographs? Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:46:12 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" Next Friday I am going to a local annual dinner/auction called 'Night of Memories'. Local sports stars speak, give autographs, and bring things to auction off for the continuing upkeep of Bosse Field (second oldest baseball field still used for pro ball in America). Some of the stars that will be there are Don Mattingly, Andy Benes, Bob Griese and Brad Wilkerson, Harry Spillman. Yogi Berra will be a special guest star. I'm getting some autographsfor Wade, (my son). If any of you guys would like autos of these guys let me know. Since it's for a charitable cause they have a price. $15.00 for all major leaguers except Yogi who's $25.00. All Minor Leaguers are free. Unfortunatly I don't know all the players that will be there and I don't have extra cards to supply for the ones I mentioned except Mattingly and Benes. I could probably buy balls at the local Sporting goods store if needed. I'mthinking I won't get flooded with requests here, (I never hear much about autograph collecting in OBC), however if I do I may have to limit the requests but I'll promise to do the best I can. If you have cards you want to use send them quick enough to get here by Friday. Greg (yaz) ================= To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:33:55 -0500 Subject: test From: richard a kimball Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 04:53:19 EST Subject: Re: ftgrti To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com From: abaran To: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: ftgrti Date: Sat,08 Feb 2003 01:17:13 PM ================= Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 12:22:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: polls/virus From: "gtx_usa " If we get 5 more members to vote in the "How would you feel" poll, by Tuesday, we'll break the "OBC-Ramblings" (modern day) record of 21 which has occured at least twice (Maris HOF/Rose HOF). The other poll has only 9. Have yet to hear from Ken M., Linda, Glenn C., George A. or Sal., if I remember correct. Those 5 would put us over the top :-) I still think the 1st Pete Rose HOF poll in "OBC_RAMBLINGS" (in 2000?) had more than 21 votes but I can't access that group to see, thanks to Bill Wolpman :-( BTW Ken M., I got the same message "supposedly" from ABaran. Nice to hear from Rick Redpath & to see Larry back in action! ================= Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 12:22:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: polls/virus From: "gtx_usa " If we get 5 more members to vote in the "How would you feel" poll, by Tuesday, we'll break the "OBC-Ramblings" (modern day) record of 21 which has occured at least twice (Maris HOF/Rose HOF). The other poll has only 9. Have yet to hear from Ken M., Linda, Glenn C., George A. or Sal., if I remember correct. Those 5 would put us over the top :-) I still think the 1st Pete Rose HOF poll in "OBC_RAMBLINGS" (in 2000?) had more than 21 votes but I can't access that group to see, thanks to Bill Wolpman :-( BTW Ken M., I got the same message "supposedly" from ABaran. Nice to hear from Rick Redpath & to see Larry back in action! ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 07:49:49 EST Subject: Pages available To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, A friend of mine won a lot of 15 pocket pages, suitable for displaying tobacco cards (T205's and T206's, etc.) Anyone looking for some? I think he needed four pages to hold those phoney T206's that Topps just came out with, but had to buy the whole lot from whoever and sent me the rest. It'd be nice to put some real cards in these. PLMK how many you need. I have 36 pages here... I think that's enough for either a T206 set or two gold border sets. Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 08:03:57 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay From: Dan Austin Get it with a buy it now for $10... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709368307&category=23837 Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 08:23:42 EST Subject: 56 Topps lot on eBay To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I was bidding on this but it got to be too much for me (and yes I am way cheap) - 1956 Topps lot of 50: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item=2706311428& Expires in a couple of hours. I hope an OBC'er grabs it! ================= To: cdrbkc@hotmail.com Subject: Fwd: FW: Fw: MILITARY RULES FOR THE NON-MILITARY PERSONNEL Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 14:49:23 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Greetings from the Special Operations Command Campaign Support Group at Ft Bragg, North Carolina! >From: Cheryl Chambers >To: "'kellysdad@hotmail.com'" >Subject: FW: Fw: MILITARY RULES FOR THE NON-MILITARY PERSONNEL >Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:38:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from bert.cookeville-tn.org ([170.215.104.212]) by >mc5-f23.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 7 Feb >2003 11:38:44 -0800 >Received: by bert.ci.cookeville.tn.us with Internet Mail Service >(5.5.2656.59)id ; Fri, 7 Feb 2003 13:38:44 -0600 >X-Message-Info: dHZMQeBBv44lPE7o4B5bAg== >Return-Receipt-To: Cheryl Chambers >X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2656.59) >Return-Path: cchambers@cookeville-tn.org >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2003 19:38:44.0945 (UTC) > > > >Subject: MILITARY RULES FOR THE NON-MILITARY PERSONNEL > > > > > > > >Dear Civilians, > >We know that the current state of affairs in our great nation have many >civilians up in arms and excited to join the military. > > > >For those of you who can't join, you can still lend a hand. Here are a >of the areas we would like your assistance with: > > > >1. The next time you see an adult talking during the playing of the >National Anthem, or fails to remove his hat, ... kick their ass. > > > >2. When you witness firsthand someone burning the American Flag in >... kick their ass. > > > > > >3. Regardless of the rank they held while they served, pay the highest >amount of respect to all veterans. If you see anyone doing otherwise, >quietly pull them aside and explain how these Veterans fought for the very >freedom they bask in every second. Enlighten them on the many sacrifices >these Veterans made to make this Nation great. Then hold them down while a >Disabled Veteran ...kicks their ass. > > > >4. If you were never in the military, DO NOT pretend that you were. >battle dress uniforms (BDU's), telling others that you used to be "Special >Forces," and collecting GI Joe memorabilia, might have been okay if you >still seven. Now, it will only make you look stupid and cause someone to >have to kick your ass. > > > >5. If you witness someone calling an enlisted Marine "Sir," stand back, >...a Marine will kick their ass. > > > >6. Next time you come across an Air Force member, do not ask them, "Do >fly a jet?" Not everyone in the Air Force is a pilot. Such ignorance >deserves an ass kickin (children are exempt). > > > >7. Roseanne Barr's singing of the National Anthem is not a blooper ... it >was a disgrace and disrespectful. Laugh, and sooner or later your ass will >be kicked. > > > >8. Next time Old Glory prances by during a parade, get on your damn feet >and pay homage to her by placing your hand over your heart. Quietly thank >the military member or veteran lucky enough to be carrying her .....of >course, failure to do either of those could earn you a severe ass kicking. > > > >9. What Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam War makes her the enemy. The >proper word to describe her is "traitor." Just mention her nomination for >"Woman of the Year" and get your ass kicked. > > > >10. Don't try to discuss politics with a military member or a veteran. We >are Americans and we all bleed the same regardless of our party >Our Chain of Command is to include our commander in Chief. The President >(for those who didn't know) is our CIC regardless of political party. We >have no inside track on what happens inside those big important buildings >where all those "representatives" meet. All we know is that when those >civilian representatives screw up the situation, they call upon the >to go straighten it out. The military member might direct you to Oliver >North. (I can see him kicking your ass already.) > > > >11. "Your mama wears combat boots" never made sense to me ... stop saying >it! If she did, she would most likely be a vet and probably kick your ass! > > > >12. Bin Laden and the Taliban are not communists, so stop saying "Let's >kill those Commie's!!!" And stop asking us where he is!!!! Crystal balls >not standard issue in the military. That reminds me ... if you see anyone >calling those damn psychic phone numbers; let me know, so I can go kick >their ass. > > > >13. Bus Driver, Jar Head, Grunt, Swabbie, Squid, etc, are terms of >endearment we use describing each other. Unless you are a service member or >vet, you have not earned the right to use them & could get your ass kicked. > > > >14. Last but not least, whether or not you become a member of the >support our troops and their families. Every Thanksgiving and religious >holiday that you enjoy with family and friends please remember that there >are, literally, thousands of troops overseas and thousands of sailors on >ships wishing they could be with >their families. Say a prayer for them and their families, that they will be >able to join them safely next time. (if you don't, you deserve your ass > > > >Thank God for our military and the sacrifices they make every day. >them, our country would get its ass kicked. > _____ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. >Get 2 months FREE*. The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:59:25 EST Subject: variation lists To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I added some scans to the two 1962 Post Cereal pages this morning, most notably a color variaton for Roberto Clemente. All the variation lists can be found at Card Variations . Please let me know if you can add anything to these lists. Grant sent me info on 1962 Post Canadian that I'm going to add this weekend. ================= To: "jedibill" , "Dan Austin" Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:20:14 -0800 From: "John Collins" I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It doesn't appear to be.... It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a problem with that. ----- Original Message ----- From: jedibill To: Dan Austin Cc: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a higher price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just me. I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not send me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not interested at all. P.S. When did this kinda thing start? Dan Austin wrote: Get it with a buy it now for $10... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2709368307&category23837 Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 56 Topps lot on eBay Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:48:23 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" Got there too late but it was a good bargain. Less than $2 each. I am glad an OBC'er got it. Now I will ask for some of the dupes for my starter set (hint Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 56 Topps lot on eBay I was bidding on this but it got to be too much for me (and yes I am way cheap) - 1956 Topps lot of 50: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewitem&item2706311428&ssPageNameADME:X:ON:US:2 Expires in a couple of hours. I hope an OBC'er grabs it! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 10:50:25 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" Another good deal for an OBC'er. Looks pretty good to me, I have many that are alot worse in my set. Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Austin" To: ; Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 5:03 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > Get it with a buy it now for $10... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709368307&category=23837 > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 14:07:38 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, jedibill@bcpl.net, dan@iamdanaustin.com From: friar4@aol.com I'm confused too. I'm the guy who bought the Koufax; and I am very grateful to Dan Austin for calling it to my attention. ================= Date: 8 Feb 2003 21:00:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Using OBC servers for other groups From: "obcjohn@knology.net" As an OBCer I'm getting a bit tired of seeing messages concerning other groups on OBC servers. I'm assuming that these other groups have servers of their own. I know that a number of OBCers belong to multiple card groups and that's fine, just don't use our servers for their business. On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:20:14 -0800, "John Collins" wrote : > I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It doesn't appear to be.... > It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a problem with that. > . > --John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jedibill > To: Dan Austin > Cc: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not > into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a higher > price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just me. > I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not send > me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not interested > at all. > Bill > P.S. When did this kinda thing start? > Dan Austin wrote: > Get it with a buy it now for $10... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _____________________________________________________________ > -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! > -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: 8 Feb 2003 21:24:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Doug Smith has requested to have his name withdrawn from the Facilitator list but remains on the ballot for Voting Member. Larry Tipton has requested to have his name withdrawn from both Facilitator and Voting Member lists. ================= Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 21:24:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay From: "jrhatchjr " I'm confused too. Take a look at the auction. Since when is New England part of Los Angeles?? Happy Collecting! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "John Collins" wrote: > I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It doesn't appear to be.... > It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a problem with that. > . > --John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jedibill > To: Dan Austin > Cc: vct@l... ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not > into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a > price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just > I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not send > me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not > at all. > Bill > P.S. When did this kinda thing start? > Dan Austin wrote: > Get it with a buy it now for $10... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Austin - dan@i... > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _____________________________________________________________ > -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know > -- E-mail the entire group at vct@l... ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Using OBC servers for other groups Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 17:08:50 -0800 From: "John Collins" Dr. Harrell, As an OBCer, I'm getting a bit tired of petty complaints about very minor issues that I have been seeing lately on OBC servers. In direct response to your e-mail, the message "from another server" which I posted thus apparently offending you, was in reply to a message that Dan Austin had sent, apparently to both OBC and the "other" group which many of us are also membersof. When I post a reply for all to see, I frequently just use the "reply all" pushbutton on my e-mail. When I did this, it apparently sent my reply back to both groups, thus contaminating an OBC server with the name of that "other Please excuse my electronic indiscretion. I will try to be more careful with the use of my e-mail to see that this crossing of jurisdictions does notoccur again in the future. ----- Original Message ----- From: obcjohn@knology.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Using OBC servers for other groups As an OBCer I'm getting a bit tired of seeing messages concerning other groups on OBC servers. I'm assuming that these other groups have servers of their own. I know that a number of OBCers belong to multiple card groups and that's fine, just don't use our servers for their business. On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:20:14 -0800, "John Collins" wrote : > I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It doesn't appear to be.... > It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a problem with that. > . > --John > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jedibill > To: Dan Austin > Cc: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM > Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not > into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a higher > price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just me. > I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not send > me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not interested > at all. > Bill > P.S. When did this kinda thing start? > Dan Austin wrote: > Get it with a buy it now for $10... > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > _____________________________________________________________ > -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! > -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 21:53:44 EST Subject: Old Baseball Recordings list finished. (sort of) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Greetings all As some of you know, I have been collecting old baseball related recordings for several years. I collect mostly 78RPM disks and old phonograph cylinders, but I have a few newer things that I have picked up along the way. I have been working on what I hope is a fairly complete list of every known 78 and cylinder that deals with baseball, and as of tonight I have gotten to a point where I have not been able to locate any more, in spite of searching for a week or more. Because of this I am prepared to at least offer the "beta" version of my recordings list if anyone happens to want it. In addition I am going to be putting up a webpage dedicated just to old recordings in the near future. I have 213 recordings cataloged, but I know there are dozens more. I base this on the fact that the only promotional records that are listed in my database are ones that I have in my personal collection. Of course there are promos of others out there, but without finding a copy of one I can't add it to my list. Many labels sent out "freebies" that were not specially labeled so there is no way to tell if a disc is a promo or not. The ones that sent out specially labeled promos don't include those discs in their yearly catalog, so there isn't an official record of which ones have promos, and which ones don't. Confused enough? Two things... If you are interested in the list, I have it in Microsoft ACCESS form so that it's sortable by artist, label, release number, year of issue, and title. I don't really know what most of you would do with it, but if you want it, you are welcome to a copy of it. Second, I need to know how to get some sound clips on my webpage so that when someone clicks on a graphic of "Casey at the Bat" by Dewolf Hopper, they can hear some of the 1908 recording I have. Can I just load the clips (in whatever is smallest.... MP3 I suppose) and link the picture to that file on the web? whatever is easiest would probably be the best :) Third, if any of you know ANYONE in the world that also collects baseball 78's and cylinders, please let me know. I am beginning to wonder if I am the only one. Talk to you soon. Mark Atnip ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Using OBC servers for other groups Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:02:45 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" As an OBCer who works easily over 60 hours a week and commutes another 12 or more, I am definitely one who turns to the OBC group for relaxation and sanity. I enjoy hearing about the trading, random acts of kindness , trivia, OBC card shows etc. It's quite difficult to read about silly troubles as minor as eBay bidding wars or complaints about whether some message belongs on a certain list. ( Another crazy thing...a generous individual sends a grateful individual a desired piece of cardboard and he has to disguise the generosity as unmentionable !! That's ridiculous, and trust me I am as severe a critic as there is when it comes to UV-Infested cards....but what it does come down to is that another person thought enough of the other person to give him something he wanted ) I realize that the main focus of the group is old baseball cards, but should I sign up for another server when someone offers a book or camera or poster or other non-Old Baseball item ?? I sure hope not, because I'm sure that is not the intention. When I turn to the OBC mail and instead am faced with unnecessary controversy, barbs and pettiness, it makes me reconsider what I'm doing with my precious free time. One thing I know is that my enjoyment of hearing about the good things happening in OBC is important to me, but I could find something else to do if it starts to become difficult to find these things in this sea of cynical crud that is so easily avoidable. After 7 years in this group, I have become to find that the real focus on this group is really NOT on the cardboard, but is really on a bunch of great guys having fun and relaxation in their free time. Sure, we share the common love of cardboard but it has become so very much more to be in this group. Let's not forget that together we have done some amazing things. ( I'm not going to attempt to list them all for obvious reasons) If I didn't want to hear about what other people are doing to enhance their enjoyment of both baseball cards and life, I could either click delete for that message, or quit the group. And that includes people sharing from "other groups"...although I am not involved in those "other groups", I'd be willing to bet that the folks in that group turn to each other for their free time enjoyment. ( Paranoid item :What if someone from THEM joins US !!!! Ohh...the madness !!) So my advice...if anyone has trouble with certain messages that might not serve as personal enjoyment ( including THIS ONE) then click "delete". If you find yourself clicking "delete" more often than you find yourself reading about good things happening to good people, then re-assess why you are here. Now that I've rambled long enough, I'm going to move over to the thanks server and share some of the generosity that's happened here at my house...because that's still fun for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:00 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Using OBC servers for other groups > As an OBCer I'm getting a bit tired of seeing messages concerning other > groups on OBC servers. I'm assuming that these other groups have servers > of their own. I know that a number of OBCers belong to multiple card > groups and that's fine, just don't use our servers for their business. > Bama > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:20:14 -0800, "John Collins" > wrote : > > > > I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It doesn't > appear to be.... > > > > It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will > send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card > up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that > they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a problem > with that. > > > > . > > > > --John > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jedibill > > To: Dan Austin > > Cc: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM > > Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > > > > > > Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not > > into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a higher > > price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just me. > > I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not send > > me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not interested > > at all. > > Bill > > P.S. When did this kinda thing start? > > Dan Austin wrote: > > > > Get it with a buy it now for $10... > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > ViewItem&item=2709368307&category=23837 > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > > - William Shakespeare > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > > -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > > > > -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! > > > > -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 23:21:30 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Question from a baseball collector To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jimmy Parker Can anyone provide any help to this guy? I told him I knew of reprints of the Red Sox Jay Publishing set, but not sure of any A's sets. Begin forwarded message: > From: Miknduk04@cs.com > Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 4:47:00 PM US/Eastern > To: catfishparkerad@earthlink.net > Subject: Question from a baseball collector > Jimmy, > I saw your want list on the "Old Baseball.com" website. I noticed that > you are seeking Jay Publishing photos. I too am seeking a single > photo. My want is of Harry Simpson from the 1957 Jay Publishing set of > KC As. > My question is: Have you been contacted by anyone that has Jay > Publishing singles for sale? If so will you give me the name of the > seller so that I may inquire about the Simpson photo? > Thanks. > SC ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables day 8 Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 20:43:42 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1954 Bowman 3, 10, 26, 41, 47, 79, 103 1968 topps some have a hole punched in them 4, 20, 85, 152, 205, 362, 364,374, leftovers 73T 1, 170, 174, 330, 471, 478 ================= To: Subject: OBC T-Shirts Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:05:29 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" I am going to close orders Monday AM, this will be the last message concerning OBC T-Shirts. OBC members have confirmed seventy-one (71) T-Shirt orders. Most of the shirts are already paid for. It is STILL not to late to order your OBC T-Shirt. Ten ($10) dollars each which includes shipping to your house. Contact me if interested. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: RE: John Donaldson Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 07:13:10 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Thanks for thinking of me, but I have the card. An interesting story though. I went to my first game at fenway, July 19th, 1970, Sox (Ray Culp) vs. A's (Rollie Fingers). My father looks at the score book points to Donaldson and say's "I've got to get in uniform now". I wasn't fooled! Interesting enough the tickets were from his cousin John Donaldson (paint salesman). Anyways, Yaz (my idol) hits a HR in his first AB, Tony C doubles, Rico homers and someone in Oakland decided Mr.. Fingers shouldn't be a starter. Also the SS for the A's (Jim Driscoll) was from my hometown (Arlington, MA). Quite a day. take care -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 2:32 AM To: Bob Donaldson Subject: John Donaldson While flipping through my '68 dupes, I found a card for a John Donaldson. Is he related? Want to start collecting him? Want this one? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2708612988: 1970 Topps Super Proof TIM McCARVER Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 05:22:13 PST From: amcook93@aol.com "It's near mint, except for a crease." Rather than being a proof, I think these are skinned and trimmed. Any thoughts? Title of item: 1970 Topps Super Proof TIM McCARVER Starts: Feb-06-03 13:23:18 PST Ends: Feb-13-03 13:23:18 PST Price: Starts at $14.95 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2708612988 Item Description: 1970 Topps Super Proof TIM McCARVER The Card is about 3 1/4" x 5 3/8" The Card has Square Corners The Card has a Blank Back The card is half as thick as the Regular card The Card is Near Mint, except it has a crease Checks or Money Orders Only (Checks need to Clear) Winner Pays $3.00 for Shipping/Handling Please click here to View my other auctions Created by eBay Seller's Assistant Pro Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:41:13 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cardboard & Comrades From: Originaleek@webtv.net In view of some dissent within OBC of late, I'm happy to announce a peaceful gathering at the House of Maxwell. The only dispute to be heard was on the blatant non-call by the refs when Peter Forsberg interfered with Cujo allowing Adam Foote to score. Speaking of FOOT (Fraternal Order Of Tiger fans) they came from the North (Ron Perry) South (Mike Rich & Mark Talbot) & west (Chuck Paris). It was great to meet Chuck for the first time and of course welcome Mike, Mark & Ron. Despite the fact that the Red Wings got jobbed on the Foote goal and eventually lost the game, we had a card swapping, food eating, beverage drinking, game watching & B S ing good time. In this case I received much more then I gave away. Work and family have kept me very busy of late and I didn't get a chance to put together some offerings. The guys were great & let me stay anyway. I think it helped that we met at my house. Although I will post on the Thanks server specifics regarding the treasures I received, I would like to thank Mike, Mark, Ron and Chuck for a most enjoyable Saturday afternoon. We missed John McLaughlin & Art Wainwright who were unable to make it, as well as thoughts out to George Moore and Glenn Codere, our East coast and Foreign Tiger fans. Looking forward to our next getogether when I can offer appropriate payback. We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cardboard & Comrades Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 15:02:15 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" That's for the "mention in dispatches", EEK. I may not be the in person, but I'm always there in spirit (usually ps Think the Tigers can avoid 100 losses this season? -----Original Message----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net [mailto:Originaleek@webtv.net] Sent: 09 February 2003 14:41 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cardboard & Comrades In view of some dissent within OBC of late, I'm happy to announce a peaceful gathering at the House of Maxwell. The only dispute to be heard was on the blatant non-call by the refs when Peter Forsberg interfered with Cujo allowing Adam Foote to score. Speaking of FOOT (Fraternal Order Of Tiger fans) they came from the North (Ron Perry) South (Mike Rich & Mark Talbot) & west (Chuck Paris). It was great to meet Chuck for the first time and of course welcome Mike, Mark & Ron. Despite the fact that the Red Wings got jobbed on the Foote goal and eventually lost the game, we had a card swapping, food eating, beverage drinking, game watching & B S ing good time. In this case I received much more then I gave away. Work and family have kept me very busy of late and I didn't get a chance to put together some offerings. The guys were great & let me stay anyway. I think it helped that we met at my house. Although I will post on the Thanks server specifics regarding the treasures I received, I would like to thank Mike, Mark, Ron and Chuck for a most enjoyable Saturday afternoon. We missed John McLaughlin & Art Wainwright who were unable to make it, as well as thoughts out to George Moore and Glenn Codere, our East coast and Foreign Tiger fans. Looking forward to our next getogether when I can offer appropriate payback. We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 11:47:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2708612988: 1970 Topps Super Proof TIM McCARVER To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com I've seen & owned these before and this example has similar traits to those that I have owned in the past (& still do). There were a large number of Topps 'proofs', preproduction art & other anomalies released to the hobby over a decade ago. Some were sold via the Topps / Guernsey Auction, others sold directly from Topps to a few private collectors, one of whom has sold some of his acquisitions to several collectors, including myself. When buying these types of items you should question the seller as to provenance (How long they have owned it & history of the piece, if any) , as well as return privilege. Two rules to keep in mind when dealing with items that were NEVER intended to be released to the public.... 1) There WILL be differences, sometimes several, from the final version card, that which was marketed to the public & what you are most familiar with. 2) Counterfeiters & scam artists are aware of rule #1. ================= Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 16:50:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Just an observation. From: "larrygersh " Couldn't agree more. As I approach the one year anniversary of my membership in this group,I have shared very little to the Ramblings page, though I read it daily. I have enjoyed meeting many of you & corresponding with most of you. Particpating in OBC makes me feel like a kid again. Having recently turned 52 years young,this is no small accomplishment. I must say though that some of the recent rantings (is that too strong)on ramblings make me feel like I'm listening to my four kids when they were adolescents. Sheesh! My goodness, life is too short and precious to get worked up over such little things as I got sniped. I can still hear "did so, did not" coming from the family room. This is supposed to be fun gang, if it gets to the point that it is not, then I suppose you should be doing something else. As for me, I'm having a blast. I guess I'm just a kid at heart and I credit OBC for being a big part of the reason. Thanx for the fun. Much appreciation, --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Lindholme" wrote: > As an OBCer who works easily over 60 hours a week and commutes another 12 or > more, I am definitely one who turns to the OBC group for relaxation > sanity. I enjoy hearing about the trading, random acts of kindness , trivia, > OBC card shows etc. > It's quite difficult to read about silly troubles as minor as eBay > wars or complaints about whether some message belongs on a certain list. ( > Another crazy thing...a generous individual sends a grateful individual a > desired piece of cardboard and he has to disguise the generosity as > unmentionable !! That's ridiculous, and trust me I am as severe a critic as > there is when it comes to UV-Infested cards....but what it does come down to > is that another person thought enough of the other person to give > something he wanted ) I realize that the main focus of the group is > baseball cards, but should I sign up for another server when someone offers > a book or camera or poster or other non-Old Baseball item ?? I sure hope > not, because I'm sure that is not the intention. > When I turn to the OBC mail and instead am faced with unnecessary > controversy, barbs and pettiness, it makes me reconsider what I'm doing with > my precious free time. > One thing I know is that my enjoyment of hearing about the good > happening in OBC is important to me, but I could find something else to do > if it starts to become difficult to find these things in this sea of cynical > crud that is so easily avoidable. > After 7 years in this group, I have become to find that the real focus on > this group is really NOT on the cardboard, but is really on a bunch of great > guys having fun and relaxation in their free time. Sure, we share > common love of cardboard but it has become so very much more to be in this > group. Let's not forget that together we have done some amazing things. ( > I'm not going to attempt to list them all for obvious reasons) > If I didn't want to hear about what other people are doing to enhance their > enjoyment of both baseball cards and life, I could either click delete for > that message, or quit the group. And that includes people sharing > "other groups"...although I am not involved in those "other groups", I'd be > willing to bet that the folks in that group turn to each other for > free time enjoyment. ( Paranoid item :What if someone from THEM joins US > !!!! Ohh...the madness !!) > So my advice...if anyone has trouble with certain messages that might not > serve as personal enjoyment ( including THIS ONE) then click "delete". If > you find yourself clicking "delete" more often than you find > reading about good things happening to good people, then re-assess why you > are here. > Now that I've rambled long enough, I'm going to move over to the > server and share some of the generosity that's happened here at my > house...because that's still fun for me. > Brian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:00 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Using OBC servers for other groups > > As an OBCer I'm getting a bit tired of seeing messages concerning > > groups on OBC servers. I'm assuming that these other groups have > > of their own. I know that a number of OBCers belong to multiple > > groups and that's fine, just don't use our servers for their > > > > Bama > > > > On Sat, 8 Feb 2003 13:20:14 -0800, "John Collins" > > wrote : > > > > > > > > I'm confused. Was this an VCTer pumping his own auction? It > > appear to be.... > > > > > > It has been awhile since I've done it, but from time to time, I too will > > send out a notice to the group if there is an auction lot or single card > > up that I feel is a "deal." The point is to alert people to things that > > they might otherwise miss. I don't know why anybody would have a > > with that. > > > > > > . > > > > > > --John > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: jedibill > > > To: Dan Austin > > > Cc: vct@l... ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 10:51 AM > > > Subject: Re: [VCT] Low grade '66 Koufax on eBay > > > > > > > > > Not sure who sent this but don't do it anymore to me. I'm not > > > into pushing individual peoples ebay stuff so they can get a > > > price and don't think it's proper for this group, but that's just me. > > > I don't do those auction things. So anyway - please do not > > > me auctions so you can help get your prices up. I'm not > > > at all. > > > Bill > > > P.S. When did this kinda thing start? > > > Dan Austin wrote: > > > > > > Get it with a buy it now for $10... > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > > ViewItem&item=2709368307&category=23837 > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Dan Austin - dan@i... > > > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > > > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > > > - William Shakespeare > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > > > > > > -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know > > > > > > -- E-mail the entire group at vct@l... > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ================= Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:20:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings From: tply@aol.com This is dumb! Many feel we shouldn't outbid each other others (like me) don't really care. I only bid what I am willing to pay and if I am outbid and another OBCer gets the card, great! Why do we have to have a poll for this? I am still in Washington D.C. working long hours in a very stressful job. I will not waste any time on what I consider to be a dumb poll. ================= Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:22:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings From: tply@aol.com Yet another poll I see no reason for! What purpose does this serve? It sounds to me like it could serve a negative purpose in OBC. ================= Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:31:49 -0500 To: yazmon@sigecom.net, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ebay bidding From: tply@aol.com I read Steve's entire message and I still don't know what he is saying. Steve perhaps you have to much time on your hands. Why don't we all agree to disagree when it comes to EBay bidding and not make an issue of it in OBC, or should we just stir things up and have another knock down dragout we all hate to see happen? ================= Date: 9 Feb 2003 17:55:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Apologies From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Upon further reflection this appears to be a case of me opening my mouth when it was better left closed. For any hard feelings my unsolicited comments have caused, I sincerely apologize. You will hear nothing further from me controversial. Just election updates. ================= Date: 9 Feb 2003 18:03:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thus far the following members have been nominated to serve either as voting members or facilitator of OBCAC. Mike Hair has requested that his name be withdrawn form both lists. Joshua Levine Doug Smith Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Voting Member: Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Todd Knowles Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Jim Wiehe Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Deadline for nominations is 12 noon PST, February 15. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Apologies Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:13:51 -0800 From: "John Collins" I also apologize for jumping to a sarcastic tone in my reply to Bama yesterday. In light of all this controversey, let's just agree that in a group this size, it is impossible for everyone to agree all of the time. Bottom line -- I've been in OBC for just over a year, and 99.44 % of the time, the material on the Ramblings server is wonderful, just great food for thought about cards, people, and life in general. I'll do my part to helpget it back that way. Again, sorry for any part I may have had in the controversy. ----- Original Message ----- From: obcjohn@knology.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 9:55 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Apologies Upon further reflection this appears to be a case of me opening my mouth when it was better left closed. For any hard feelings my unsolicited comments have caused, I sincerely apologize. You will hear nothing further from me controversial. Just election updates. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:16:48 -0500 (EST) To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com (Glenn Codere) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cardboard & Comrades From: Originaleek@webtv.net Actually one of the guys suggested we call you during an intermission but no one had sufficient coverage or minutes on their cell phone. As regards the Tigers avoiding a 100 loss season, I'm dubious! One thing for sure though, there will be some pride restored in wearing the Old English D and a lot less lollygaggin with Tram, Gibby and Lance in charge. Not that I care a whit, but whatever happened to Garner? We keep what we give away! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1933 sport kings Cobb on ebay Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:55:07 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" I rarely suggest ebay cards to the group, but this one seems like a perfect obc card. Closes in less than two hours...$225 now with BIN price of $350 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2706838384&category=31722 Good Luck, MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= To: "Thanks" , Subject: Weekend thanks and a small ramble Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 13:24:50 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Coupla inbounds this week. First off, OO (Original OBCer) Mark Shelton sends a terrific 62 Topps "Maris Blasts 61st" card. Next up, Jim Wiehe, another OO, sends a 58T of Joe Torre's brother, and one of Terry Francona's father. In addtion, Bob Miller and Tom Haller from the Class of 62 made the trip. Thanks Mark and Jim.... Now the small ramble.....if you don't like the subject of a poll, the sniping thread, or some other subject, HIT THE DELETE BUTTON! It's right below the Insert and next to the End button. Todd (OO) I never met an OBCer I didn't like..... ================= To: Subject: '41 Playball Joe Dimaggio on ebay Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:27:41 -0800 From: "John Collins" This may turn out to be a deal for somebody who is looking for this card inlow grade. It's still not cheap, but the current price on it is cheaper than I've ever seen this card sell for: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2707804096&category16269 ================= To: Subject: A Classic Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:37:51 -0500 From: "galtemos" This is truly a classic. Apparently, some PSA graded cars were caught in her father's fire, which melted off the plastic slabs, but did no damage to the cards. If you will buy that, she has some other things to sell. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709335505&ssPageName=ADM ================= To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:57:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Classic From: Bob Saxton I live about a 20 minute drive from the seller of this card and have emailed him/her to ask if I could personally view this card and others that will be up for sale. I'll let y'all know the response. On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:37:51 -0500 "galtemos" > This is truly a classic. Apparently, some PSA graded cars were > caught in > her father's fire, which melted off the plastic slabs, but did no > damage to > the cards. If you will buy that, she has some other things to > sell. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709335505&ssPageNameADM > E:B:SS:US:1 > George > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: question on web page space Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:11:20 -0800 From: "John Collins" I am in the process of looking to expand my card webpage and am looking fora different provider for web space. Currently my card wantlist is on my "about me" ebay page, but there are things that I would like to do with my page to make it bigger, more comprehensive, etc., that I fear can't be done on Does anybody have any suggestions of good web space providers, or ideas on how to go about doing this? Are there still any good free places to get web space anymore? I know if I spend any money, it can't be much. The one advantage to the ebay page is that there are no annoying pop-up windows, butI guess I would be willing to put up with those in lieu of all of the ebayinfo that is currently on my page. Any info would be much appreciated. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Jefferson Burdick, Lionel Carter Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 18:13:29 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I did an SCD article last year on Jefferson Burdick with the assistance of long-time collector Lionel Carter. I wound up doing a recent SCD article onLionel Carter and his collection. In order to not clog up the email with ramblings on my additional findings about Burdick and other hobby pioneers, I'm asking anyone with a serious interest in the subjects to send me a short email and I'll include you on a few emails that I'll do until you cry "uncle." The information I have involves hobby publications and correspondencefrom the 1940s through the 1970s.. So if you are interested, send me an email. George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:35:04 -0500 Subject: re: 59 Mantle on ebay From: Bob Saxton Hi, gang. Here is the reply I just got from the seller of the 59 mantle on ebay. She has a number of other 59 stars listed on ebay also, and in most of the descriptions indicates a PSA grading. I'll try to get together with her in the near future to see what she has and while I'm not good at grading cards, maybe I corroborate their condition, or find other cards she has that might be of interest to some of you. keep smilin'! (oh, btw, while I have an ebay account - judgeguy08- I never bid on baseball cards, only on non-sports --- Linda Fleger wrote: > From: "Linda Fleger" To: http://us.f405.mail.yahoo.com/ym/Compose?To=judgeguy08@yahoo.com&YY=39274 > Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member > Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 19:06:22 -0500 > Actually it would be possible to look at them and > any of the other 200,000 > or more cards i have. > No My cards do not have the plastic case the Psa > cards come in. > My father removed them from there holders and all of > the holders were lost > in a house fire. > The reason i labled the PSA is to help decrribe the > condition. i DO NOT have > proof of there grade thought they were all graded in > 1997. ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:44:22 EST Subject: OBC friendly dealer To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Went to the Danbury Mall today. I knew there was a card show there; but, of course, that had nothing to do with my willingness to go;-) Anyway, for the most part, it was predictably disappointing. Just about all UV stuff and super-inflated memoribilia. I was about to give up when I came to a table where a guy had some old cards. I was looking through them and striking up a conversation with the dealer when he said he had just picked up some off-condition cards. As you might have guessed - this perked me up right away. So, I looked through his "off-condition" stuff and found that they were actually OBC normal or better. Judge for yourself - this is what I picked up for $62.00. If you think it was a good deal, he had quite a few more and I will leave the contact at the end of my list. - three '52 Topps commons - vg condition at least - one '53 Topps hi #269 g condition - '61 Duke Snider #443 at least vg - '63 Billy Williams vg Ralph Houk vg Juan Marichal with corners a little softer than the other two - '64 Koufax LL #1 good Yaz/Schilling #182 vg two rookie commons vg-ex Willie Horton rookie vg-ex and Minoso vg-ex #538 - '67 Aaron/Allen/Mays LL #244 with light crease down the middle I don't know what you think, but I think if was a pretty fair deal. Any Dealer was Brian Coppola from Stamford, Ct. 203 348-1301 ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:24:14 EST Subject: Am I the last one ...... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com to have figured this out? I don't know how many times I am putting cards in a binder and realize when I first set up the binder for that particular year I got a card out of sequence and messed up the whole thing. You know, card 632 needs to go after 631 but you realize there isn't enough room to add 633 and 634 because of where 635 and the next 20 cards are sitting! For this reason I have tended to wait until I have a critical mass of cards for any given set before putting them in binders....it seems inevitable to get off by one somewhere in the set. If you have already figured out the "trick" you can skip this but in case there is someone else who never figured this out it really is simple for the standard nine card holders. Each holder has a spot for card #1, #2, #3, etc. Pretty simple for the first nine. For the rest it is still pretty simple: add up the digits and keep summing the results until you have a single digit number and that is where the card goes. Example, card number 10 .... 1 + 0 1, it goes in the number 1 spot. Card 90 ... 9 + 0 = 9, it goes in the number 9 slot. Card 632 ... 6 + 3 + 2 = 11, keep going, 1 + 1 = 2, card 632 goes in the number 2 spot. Simple mathematical convention when going from a base 10 number system to a base 9 one (the card sheets), but it took my a while to figure it out. Try it.... it works. Find a binder and card number 178 will be in the #7 slot (1+7+8=16, 1+6=7). Works like a charm. For those who are a bit slow, like me, it should save some time and aggrevation in setting up new binders. Happy collecting! Doug ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:49:56 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" This reminds of that Modular Whatever Thing that Iggy did a while back…I haven’t even figured that one out yet, and now this? to have figured this out? I don't know how many times I am putting cards in a binder and realize when I first set up the binder for that particular year I got a card out of sequence and messed up the whole thing. You know, card 632 needs to go after 631 but you realize there isn't enough room to add 633 and 634 because of where 635 and the next 20 cards are sitting! For this reason I have tended to wait until I have a critical mass of cards for any given set before putting them in binders....it seems inevitable to get off by one somewhere in the set. If you have already figured out the "trick" you can skip this but in case there is someone else who never figured this out it really is simple for the standard nine card holders. Each holder has a spot for card #1, #2, #3, etc. Pretty simple for the first nine. For the rest it is still pretty simple: add up the digits and keep summing the results until you have a single digit number and that is where the card goes. Example, card number 10 .... 1 + 0 = 1, it goes in the number 1 spot. Card 90 ... 9 + 0 = 9, it goes in the number 9 slot. Card 632 ... 6 + 3 + 2 = 11, keep going, 1 + 1 2, card 632 goes in the number 2 spot. Simple mathematical convention when going from a base 10 number system to a base 9 one (the card sheets), but it took my a while to figure it out. Try it.... it works. Find a binder and card number 178 will be in the #7 slot (1+7+8=16, 1+6=7). Works like a For those who are a bit slow, like me, it should save some time and aggrevation in setting up new binders. Happy collecting! Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: New Website Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:15:16 -0800 From: "John Collins" Thanks fo all of you who replied very quickly to my request for web hostinginfo. I decided to go with Geocities, which came very highly recommended by many of you. My new wantlist is now posted at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard For now, I was able to simply transfer my old HTML code from ebay over to the new URL. But with this site in the future, I will be able to add multiple pages and links, where I could not before with ebay. This process hasalso taught me at least a little bit more about HTML and editing your own page. If anyone has questions on this, I would welcome them and try to be helpful. ================= Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 23:49:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... To: dfallen@attbi.com, grains@dccnet.com From: XDDX@aol.com Yeah....that's was I trying to say. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:22:04 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Grant, it's a really old technique call "casting out nines". Let me simplify it for you this way: For any given integer B greater than 1, each natural number N has a unique expression of the form where each of the digits d0, d1,... is an integer in the range from 0to B-1. It's conventional to omit the operation symbols and powers of B, and simply express the number N by its sequence of digits, arranged in descending order. Thus the number N would be expressed as the string of digits ...d2d1d0. Typically the left-most digit is the largest non-zero digit. Thisform of expression is called place-value notation, and the integer B is called the base (or radix). Obviously we have d0 N modulo B, so if we areworking in the modulus B we can simply replace each number by its least significant The base-B digits of a number also satisfy some interesting relationsmodulo B-1. If we let SB(N) denote the sum of the base-B digits of N, we have Since each of the quantities Bk-1 is divisible by B-1, we see that N is congruent to SB(N) modulo B-1. (This is also obvious from the fact that B 1 modulo B-1, and so every power of B is also congruent to 1, and thus the base-B representation of a number modulo B-1 reduces to just the sum of its digits.) It follows that N is also congruent to SB(SB(N)), and so on. Thus to find the residue class of N modulo B-1 we need only sum the base-B digits of N, and then sum the base-B digits of the resulting number, and so on, until reaching a single digit result. Equivalently, we can just evaluate modulo B-1 the sum of the digits of N. This shows that if xy z fortwo integers x,y, the congruence xy z (mod B-1) can be re-written in terms of the residues modulo B-1 as We can verify this explicitly by simply multiplying out the base-B representations The base-B digits of z xy are then related to the coefficients ofthis product by and so on, where c0, c1,... are the "carry" terms in the multiplication. (The carry terms need not be in the range from 0 to B-1.) Adding all these expressions together, we get This confirms the previous congruence modulo B-1, and also gives a simple formula for the sum of the carries in a multiplication in terms of thesums of digits of the operands and product. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: XDDX@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... This reminds of that Modular Whatever Thing that Iggy did a while back.I haven't even figured that one out yet, and now this? to have figured this out? I don't know how many times I am putting cardsin a binder and realize when I first set up the binder for that particularyear I got a card out of sequence and messed up the whole thing. You know, card 632 needs to go after 631 but you realize there isn't enough room toadd 633 and 634 because of where 635 and the next 20 cards are sitting! For this reason I have tended to wait until I have a critical mass of cards for any given set before putting them in binders....it seems inevitable to get off by one somewhere in the set. If you have already figured out the "trick" you can skip this but in casethere is someone else who never figured this out it really is simple for the standard nine card holders. Each holder has a spot for card #1, #2, #3,etc. Pretty simple for the first nine. For the rest it is still pretty simple: add up the digits and keep summing the results until you have a single digit number and that is where the card goes. Example, card number 10 .... 1 + 0 1, it goes in the number 1 spot. Card 90 ... 9 + 0 9, it goes in the number 9 slot. Card 632 ... 6 + 3 + 2 11, keep going, 1 + 1 2, card 632 goes in the number 2 spot. Simple mathematical convention when going from a base 10 number system to a base 9 one (the card sheets), but it took my a while to figure it out. Try it.... it works. Find a binder and card number 178 will be in the #7 slot (1+7+816, 1+67). Works like a charm. For those who are a bit slow, like me, it should save some time and aggrevation in setting up new binders. Happy collecting! Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 9 Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:02:29 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1962 Topps 16, 20, 21, 68, 92, 101, 111, 123, 132, 134, 154, 161, 164, 165, 184, 186, 191, 225, 235, 236, 248, 262, 270, 276, 365, 373, 390, 397, 399, 429, 456, 457, 468, 476, 507, 512, 514, 525, 531, 542, 551, 556, 561, 563, 565 Gratefully accepting any Green Tint! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:26:04 +0800 To: XDDX@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... From: Lynn Miller Hi Doug and all, And if you simply know that each page after the first one starts with a multiple of 9 +1, you know that card ends up in the #1 spot of the page and you can simply work forward on that page. Ergo 9X5+1=46 the number that starts page 6 (the 5+1 in the formula). This doesn't take as much math. Of course both methods are out the window if you have your 1974 Topps set arranged like I do, with the Padres San Diego and Washington variations that have the same card #'s right next to each other :>) Lynn ================= To: dfallen@attbi.com Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:07:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... From: Peter Iversen All of this is perfectly to me of course! However, I have been trying to apply this 'casting out nines' process to my 1962 Topps set and got stuck after card #110. Is there a GREEN TINT and VARIATION exception rule that would apply to all of this... On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:22:04 -0800 "Dave Fallen" Grant, it's a really old technique call "casting out nines". Let me simplify it for you this way: For any given integer B greater than 1, each natural number N has a unique expression of the form where each of the digits d0, d1,... is an integer in the range from 0 to B-1. It's conventional to omit the operation symbols and powers of B, and simply express the number N by its sequence of digits, arranged in descending order. Thus the number N would be expressed as the string of digits ...d2d1d0. Typically the left-most digit is the largest non-zero digit. This form of expression is called place-value notation, and the integer B is called the base (or radix). Obviously we have d0 = N modulo B, so if we are working in the modulus B we can simply replace each number by its least significant digit. The base-B digits of a number also satisfy some interesting relations modulo B-1. If we let SB(N) denote the sum of the base-B digits of N, we Since each of the quantities Bk-1 is divisible by B-1, we see that N is congruent to SB(N) modulo B-1. (This is also obvious from the fact that B = 1 modulo B-1, and so every power of B is also congruent to 1, and thus the base-B representation of a number modulo B-1 reduces to just the sum of its digits.) It follows that N is also congruent to SB(SB(N)), and so on. Thus to find the residue class of N modulo B-1 we need only sum the base-B digits of N, and then sum the base-B digits of the resulting number, and so on, until reaching a single digit result. Equivalently, we can just evaluate modulo B-1 the sum of the digits of N. This shows that if xy = z for two integers x,y, the congruence xy = z (mod B-1) can be re-written in terms of the residues modulo B-1 as We can verify this explicitly by simply multiplying out the base-B The base-B digits of z = xy are then related to the coefficients of this product by and so on, where c0, c1,... are the "carry" terms in the multiplication. (The carry terms need not be in the range from 0 to B-1.) Adding all these expressions together, we get This confirms the previous congruence modulo B-1, and also gives a simple formula for the sum of the carries in a multiplication in terms of the sums of digits of the operands and product. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: XDDX@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... This reminds of that Modular Whatever Thing that Iggy did a while back…I haven’t even figured that one out yet, and now this? to have figured this out? I don't know how many times I am putting cards in a binder and realize when I first set up the binder for that particular year I got a card out of sequence and messed up the whole thing. You know, card 632 needs to go after 631 but you realize there isn't enough room to add 633 and 634 because of where 635 and the next 20 cards are sitting! For this reason I have tended to wait until I have a critical mass of cards for any given set before putting them in binders....it seems inevitable to get off by one somewhere in the set. If you have already figured out the "trick" you can skip this but in case there is someone else who never figured this out it really is simple for the standard nine card holders. Each holder has a spot for card #1, #2, #3, etc. Pretty simple for the first nine. For the rest it is still pretty simple: add up the digits and keep summing the results until you have a single digit number and that is where the card goes. Example, card number 10 .... 1 + 0 = 1, it goes in the number 1 spot. Card 90 ... 9 + 0 = 9, it goes in the number 9 slot. Card 632 ... 6 + 3 + 2 = 11, keep going, 1 + 1 = 2, card 632 goes in the number 2 spot. Simple mathematical convention when going from a base 10 number system to a base 9 one (the card sheets), but it took my a while to figure it out. Try it.... it works. Find a binder and card number 178 will be in the #7 slot (1+7+8=16, 1+6=7). Works like a charm. For those who are a bit slow, like me, it should save some time and aggrevation in setting up new binders. Happy collecting! Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:16:40 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... To: XDDX@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Years ago...and I really mean years (like 15)...when I was in high school, figured this calculation out. I used to be a Physics major and math came pretty quick. I remember posting this to the Prodigy servers. One of the responses I remember getting was from Dave Ostroff. Now, I know many of you don't remember the name but Dr. Dave was one of the first group of OBCers. I rarely put things in number order in the binder until I am close because even with my nifty calculation, I still manage to mess things up. Nice little base 9 math fun though. Also some fond memories of OBC past (really pre-OBC). ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:59:30 -0500 (EST) To: tply@aol.com Subject: dumb poll/ negative From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 12:22:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 05:39:53 -0500 Subject: more on ebay 59 mantle From: Bob Saxton I have been emailing with the gal who posted the 59 Mantle and other 59 star cards on ebay, (claims they are PSA graded but the paperwork documenting that burned in a fire and her dad had taken them out of the slabs) and I suggested that we meet at the public library, where I could see what she has to sell. The following is the latest reply from her. I will be out of town all next weekend, but after that I intend to set up a meeting with her. Are there any OBCers in northeastern Ohio or northwestern Pennsylvania that would like to join me? The library sounds good. i'll see what i can do. Actually finding cards in poor shap is going to be hard. My father them. I do not have any bowman that i know of. Topps are my big thin and a few fleer and donruss. I do have somthing that i have no idea the value of. if you could maybe me on this. He had boxes and boxes of wax packs that have never been opened from let me know when you have a free afternoon ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:24:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Dealer with vintage lots on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Seller "georgealtman" has a bunch of OBC-quality lots on eBay right now, most of 5-25 cards. I'm currently the high bidder on the 1951 Bowman Dodgers, but anything else is fair game. :) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:36:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: 36 card 1952 Bowman lot for $50 BIN on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2709781126&category=642 OBC-quality, less than $2 per card. And hey--if you get it--#206 fills a hole in my binder. :) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 14:40:51 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... To: Wite3@aol.com, XDDX@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 2/10/2003 1:17:42 AM Eastern Standard Time From: Wite3@aol.com To: XDDX@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: XDDX@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:16:40 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... ================= To: "Dave Fallen" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 12:38:24 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I stayed up all night interpreting this Dave, and was able to come to only one conclusion. Since this whole thing seems to have a direct correlation to Bases, there is an obvious connection to baseball. So really, what you are saying is that Spring Training opened today…..WOO-HOO!!!! Grant, it's a really old technique call "casting out nines". Let me simplify it for you this way: For any given integer B greater than 1, each natural number N has a unique expression of the form where each of the digits d0, d1,... is an integer in the range from 0 to B-1. It's conventional to omit the operation symbols and powers of B, and simply express the number N by its sequence of digits, arranged in descending order. Thus the number N would be expressed as the string of digits ...d2d1d0. Typically the left-most digit is the largest non-zero digit. This form of expression is called place-value notation, and the integer B is called the base (or radix). Obviously we have d0 = N modulo B, so if we are working in the modulus B we can simply replace each number by its least significant digit. The base-B digits of a number also satisfy some interesting relations modulo B-1. If we let SB(N) denote the sum of the base-B digits of N, we have Since each of the quantities Bk-1 is divisible by B-1, we see that N is congruent to SB(N) modulo B-1. (This is also obvious from the fact that B 1 modulo B-1, and so every power of B is also congruent to 1, and thus the base-B representation of a number modulo B-1 reduces to just the sum of its digits.) It follows that N is also congruent to SB(SB(N)), and so on. Thus to find the residue class of N modulo B-1 we need only sum the base-B digits of N, and then sum the base-B digits of the resulting number, and so on, until reaching a single digit result. Equivalently, we can just evaluate modulo B-1 the sum of the digits of N. This shows that if xy = z for two integers x,y, the congruence xy = z (mod B-1) can be re-written in terms of the residues modulo B-1 as We can verify this explicitly by simply multiplying out the base-B The base-B digits of z = xy are then related to the coefficients of this product by and so on, where c0, c1,... are the "carry" terms in the multiplication. (The carry terms need not be in the range from 0 to B-1.) Adding all these expressions together, we get This confirms the previous congruence modulo B-1, and also gives a simple formula for the sum of the carries in a multiplication in terms of the sums of digits of the operands and product. ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: XDDX@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:49 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I the last one ...... This reminds of that Modular Whatever Thing that Iggy did a while back…I haven’t even figured that one out yet, and now this? to have figured this out? I don't know how many times I am putting cards in a binder and realize when I first set up the binder for that particular year I got a card out of sequence and messed up the whole thing. You know, card 632 needs to go after 631 but you realize there isn't enough room to add 633 and 634 because of where 635 and the next 20 cards are sitting! For this reason I have tended to wait until I have a critical mass of cards for any given set before putting them in binders....it seems inevitable to get off by one somewhere in the set. If you have already figured out the "trick" you can skip this but in case there is someone else who never figured this out it really is simple for the standard nine card holders. Each holder has a spot for card #1, #2, #3, etc. Pretty simple for the first nine. For the rest it is still pretty simple: add up the digits and keep summing the results until you have a single digit number and that is where the card goes. Example, card number 10 .... 1 + 0 = 1, it goes in the number 1 spot. Card 90 ... 9 + 0 = 9, it goes in the number 9 slot. Card 632 ... 6 + 3 + 2 = 11, keep going, 1 + 1 2, card 632 goes in the number 2 spot. Simple mathematical convention when going from a base 10 number system to a base 9 one (the card sheets), but it took my a while to figure it out. Try it.... it works. Find a binder and card number 178 will be in the #7 slot (1+7+8=16, 1+6=7). Works like a For those who are a bit slow, like me, it should save some time and aggrevation in setting up new binders. Happy collecting! Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Ebay success... Sets completed.... How did I miss that? Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:12:48 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" More great news on the card front! Last night, I was lucky enough to pick up the final card in my 1968 set on Ebay - the elusive #490 Super Stars! It set me back $25 including postage. A little steep for its condition perhaps, but hey, that set will soon be put to bed!! Today, I received an email from OBCer John Storman who informs me that he is dispatching a 1975 Robin Yount RC to me today - the LAST CARD ON THAT SET TOO!! Woo-Hoo!! With these successes, I sat down to examine my wantlist. I decided to place at the top of my list the total number of cards that I require to complete a run of Topps sets from 1960 to 1980. It'll be great to watch this number come down over the years. I thought I came up with a total of 1625 cards to go....but wait.... When I got home, I decided to just go through my binders and boxes to confirm that I had everything, but guess what? I'd missed something out. Now, most of you guys drop a note to Ramblings or Wantlist now and again to say "Well, I thought I'd completed that set, but there's still 1 or 2 empty spaces in the binder". If I'd only missed a card, I wouldn't feel quite so dumb. I'm missing a whole damn set!! 1979 to be precise. For years, I've been under the impression that the only 2 gaps in my collection up to 1994 were 1982 and 1985 which for some reason, I've never got round to starting. How the hell could I miss out a whole year??? Well, I'm going to look upon this brain fart as an opportunity. I'm going to add the '79 set to my list, but I'd like to try to make this a complete OBC set. It's not a priority. and I'm just going to sit back and see how it If you've read this far, congratulations!! You now have the chance to scoop up a few availables! Up for grabs are 1966 #502,503,5090,514,520 and 1972 #684. Bet they don't last long!! Cheers for now! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 19:09:22 -0500 Subject: thanks to al! From: Bob Saxton Annniverary Al gifts me with a waiver wire 61 Fleer of Hal Schumacher who "is now the Executive Vice President of the Adironack Bats company". I guess he must have had an interest in flying mammals that live in caves. Thanks Big Al, very much appreciated! Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:01:10 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay scam! Beware all eBay users! From: Dan Austin This evening I got an e-mail that appeared to be from eBay. It was nicely HTML-formatted, used an eBay mailing address, eBay graphics and appeared so much like an eBay page, that it couldn't be a fake right? Well the message entitled "Security Update." claimed that "We are currently performing regular maintenance of our security measures. Protecting the security of your eBay account is our primary concern, and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. Please confirm your account ownership by entering the information below. " and provided form boxes for me to enter in my userid and password for eBay. This immediately set off my scam-detector. But it lookoed SO much like it was really from eBay... I decided to investigate and saved the HTML from the page and looked it over. Buried in the source code, deeply buried, I noticed it... everything indeed was using real references to eBay graphics, eBay addresses, etc., but the results of the form would not be sent to www.ebay.com, but to www.cgibin-ebay.com, and would run a PERL script that was intended to harvest my userid and password, so a scammer could rip me off! Be on your guard against this type of ploy, not only from eBay, but PayPal, online banks, and other similar places. These sites are never going to ask for your userid/password to "verify you are a user". If you see such a thing, it is almost certainly a scammer. If you have doubts, call or e-mail the place to verify. If you have filled out such a form, I urge you to log onto eBay (or any other site you may have been duped about) and change your password NOW. Don't waste time, or you could get ripped off badly. I hope this tip saves some of you some problems. - Dan Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:24:25 EST Subject: WARNING Ebay Scam etc etc.. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Ok as most of you guys know. I don't usually chime in on this sort of thing, HOWEVER I would like to let you know that last month someone charged a little over $5500 to my bank account in a matter of HOURS. Guess how they got the info? BINGO! It was a fake Ebay Update request. I have been in the process of closing my bank account, getting new accounts, new credit cards, new checks, new everything. It is a real pain. Don't be a MARK. Signed... (mark) ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:38:15 EST Subject: Web questions again To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Simple question I hope. How much does it cost to get your own domain name, a few email addresses for it, and a decent amount of space to put up your web Do I understand correctly that this is actually 3 different processes or can you just pay $XX.XX per month and have a place that gives me Myname.com , plus myname@myname.com email, plus about 20-30 megs for webspace? I am trying to find SOMETHING other than AOL which is A) expensive and B) doesn't give me the greedy power of ownership that I feed off of. (just kidding on Anyhow... I am hoping some of you guys can help me out. Mark (the idiot that got jacked for $5500 because of the credit card scam) ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:58:30 EST Subject: Very interesting Doby\Robinson fact. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Greetings all As many of you know I am immersed in a quest to catalog all of the baseball recordings that were available on either cylinder or 78RPM record. While digging through my database and examining the explosion of baseball recordings in the late 40's and early 50's I came across some interesting trivia that I didn't expect. In 1948, after Robinson broke the color line, there were three recordings released containing the names of specific players. All three contained the name of LARRY DOBY, only one contained Robinson's name. (the Robbie, Doby Boogie) What is more interesting is that up until that time, the only baseball songs (not including spoken word records) that contained specific player names were Slide Kelly Slide (1889) and Joltin Joe Dimaggio (1941) In other words, as of 1948, more baseball songs had been written with LARRY DOBY's name in the title than anyone else in baseball history. I found that Doby would have Robinson outnumbered 3 to 1 odd since Robinson played in Brooklyn and was the first to break the line. In fact, Doby is the only player in the cylinder and 78RPM era (roughly 1989 to 1960) to have his name specifically mentioned in the title of 3 different songs. Robinson is in 2 and obviously several players are in 1. I don't count different versions of the same song. There are 3 versions of Joltin' Joe Dimaggio out there, but I consider it one song. By the way, the most famous Robinson song "Did You See Jackie Robinson Hit That Ball" didn't come out until the next year in the spring of 49. That of course is also the best of the Robinson songs. It, however was outsold by "Safe at Home" which was a tribute to the death of Babe Ruth. The more I look at these recordings the more I realize how they mirror the game itself. It's fascinating. If that wasn't a ramble, there is no such thing. Thanks a lot guys. ================= Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:18:16 EST Subject: Be on the lookout for this Hot Card!!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Early this morning, Brock Edward Ward Boecher came into this world at 9 His rookie card should be in the 2023 Topps set, so be prepared to stock up heavily for this sure-to-become future HOFer. Holly delivered at 2AM and was home for breakfast, so this prospect must have the stamina of his proven forebears. Nurse CD, also known as NaNa, was there to take care of Makaela and the rest of the family. Take care, Brock the First, aka PawPaw ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Steve's upcoming travel plans Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 23:48:04 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Stay tuned for road trip reports from the following locations: Feb 28 - Mar 1: Fort Washington, PA Quarterly show Mar 5 - Mar 13: Seattle / Vancouver Tacoma show / meeting withPNW May 15 - May 18: Las Vegas V03. Need I say more? ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables day 10 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:45:13 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great this group has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or askfor a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you for enjoying my silly game. 1959 Topps 57, 64, 74, 75x2, 78, 79, 85, 86, 93, 94, 95, 110, 141, 145, 151, 153, 161, 162, 164, 170, 176, 179, 182x2, 183, 192, 193, 197, 201, 219, 225x2, 227, 228, 241x2, 245, 256, 261, 263x2, 264, 280, 313, 332x2, 342, 347, 363x2, 371, 372, 373, 375x2, 377, 379, 386x2, 393, 394, 403, 409, 416x2, 424, 425, 426x2, 431, 433x2, 436, 437, 442, 451, 460, 475, 497, 505 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: t206guy@aol.com Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 22:23:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web questions again From: Peter Iversen Cheapest DOMAIN NAME on line that I have seen is at godaddy.com - you can get a .com or .net name (like t206guy.com) for $8.95 a year. Recently they had a .usa domain for even less $$... They also offer web hosting and other stuff but I do not know the costs on that. go and check it On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 20:38:15 EST t206guy@aol.com writes: Simple question I hope. How much does it cost to get your own domain name, a few email addresses for it, and a decent amount of space to put up your web pages? Do I understand correctly that this is actually 3 different processes or can you just pay $XX.XX per month and have a place that gives me Myname.com , plus myname@myname.com email, plus about 20-30 megs for webspace? I am trying to find SOMETHING other than AOL which is A) expensive and B) doesn't give me the greedy power of ownership that I feed off of. (just kidding on B) Anyhow... I am hoping some of you guys can help me out. Mark (the idiot that got jacked for $5500 because of the credit card To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: All claimed!! Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 12:11:31 +0000 From: Glenn Codere Just a note to say that the 1966's and the '72 hi# that I posted up as available yesterday have all been claimed. So, if you were thinking about (in the words of the immortal Carole King) It's too late, baby!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Short rant about the airlines.... Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 07:38:14 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Hit if you are bored with my rambles.... hahaha Its nice to have a place I can vent my frustrations, even if I overdo it occasionally. Anyway, I called for my reservation to Las Vegas yesterday and was quoted a price of $301.50. I was given a confirmation number and was told to go to the airport to pick up the ticket and pay with a voucher. I received a voucher for giving up my seat on the way home from Vegas last year. I went to the airport and now the fare is $339.00. Somehow the price was never locked in when I made the reservation. The airline can't (won't?) find a record of that fare being available. Well, instead they say "they can't sell a ticket at the fare I had understood I'd be paying". After spending time at the counter discussing this with the ticket person, she had me call the airline on the phone where I explained the story two more times. There was no admission of error and no acceptable compromise offered to me so I put up the extra $37.00. I just got back from the airport and did the same check for fares and found no record of any of the low fares I found yesterday. I didn't print out the web page yesterday so I have no proof. I didn't rant and rave at the airline but they could see and understand I was frustrated. In the end, putting up the extra money was the best option. Having someone (or a company) admit they are wrong goes far in my book. The airline wouldn't do that but I felt I did the best I could in the situation. I didn't explode. Well, not too much. I didn't cause a scene or raise my Thanks for letting me share this. I depend on OBC heavily because I have not developed close relationships in the real world. ================= Date: 11 Feb 2003 12:39:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I have received no new nominations in the last 4 days and therefore will not send another update until Friday, unless I receive a new nomination. The current ballot is as follows: Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Voting Member: Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Jim Wiehe Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Deadline for nominations is 12 noon PST, February 15. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Attn OBCers in the Houston area Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 08:11:32 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" OBC friendly dealer Kurt Turdot asked me to let people know that he will be in the Astros Fest in Houston this weekend. ================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 13:47:51 EST Subject: 2nd sets To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com was interested in some opinions here. i have noticed recently that many folks collect 2nd sets, and was wondering why. is it to generate trading activity? to you give full sets away? do you sell them? just curious, since i am sure i am 90% of the way on many 2nd sets if i ever tried to put them together, and wanted to know if there was a reason i may have overlooked. tnx for your time. gm ================= Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 17:26:31 EST Subject: Ramblings from Everett To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, The servers have proved to be interesting reading over the past several days. Some random thoughts on some of the more recent subjects... eBay bidding: Normally I try not to intentionally outbid someone else in the group. Sometimes however, I'll see something at the last minute that is a great deal and will rush to bid on it without taking the time to see if I know the person who's getting the great deal. This doesn't happen too often - only when I get tired of looking for cards on my own list and start looking for good trade bait. Unless the card is a T205 or a 48/49 Leaf SP, I probably don't need it for any of my own sets - and even then, I've recently bid on a couple from the two previously mentioned sets that were already in the binder. Speaking of which, if you're collecting the T205 set, check out auction 2709303512 on eBay. There's two of the scarce Cubs variations in the (9 card) lot, but I have both already so I didn't bid. All the cards have severe back damage. My philosophy on someone outbidding me is this - if you outbid me, you've overpaid. Besides, if you don't place a bid, someone else probably will - So feel free to place any bids on stuff I'm bidding on. More often than not, you're just saving me money on a dupe that I'd probably send away in the first place (or sell to whoever wants it for what I paid). You're just taking out the middle man. The eBay scam Mark recently had the displeasure of experiencing firsthand has been going around a lot - mostly to sellers I believe. I don't think I'll be getting an e-mail for this reason, but if I do: Nobody needs to know my password for anything except me - and that's the way I'm keeping it. If you do get something that looks remotely fishy, forward the entire e-mail to spoof@ebay.com or safeharbor@ebay.com Being on AOL for so long has been a learning experience on how scammers will try to get your password. I'm not married, but if I were, I'd probably be divorced with the number of times a secret admirer has sent me an InstaKiss Today's spam story: On one screen name I get a message that starts out, "If you're waiting for interest rates to drop again, forget it..." I then sign onto another name no less than twenty seconds later and I read, "Interest rates have dropped again! Lock in your low rate now!" Thanks, but I'll pass for the 435th day in a row. Things are changing again at work. I don't have anything to tell with the magnitude of Glenn's unfortunate story. (I guess I shouldn't complain any more about dealing with mouse feces?) Actually, I probably won't have to for a while anyway, since I've been relieved of pet food duty and am now the new overnight dairy clerk. What happened to the old overnight dairy clerk you ask? OK, if you didn't ask, I'll tell you anyway. I don't know, but rumors have it that he was either A) deported or B) arrested for selling drugs. Might explain a few dozen no call/no shows - most of us wanted him fired for that anyway. Last week I ended up in the dairy section for a couple nights in a row. I think the rule is that if you do any job for more than three nights in a row, it's permanent. So for the forseeable future, I'll berotating and lining up cups of Colombo and Dannon instead of spinning cans of Friskies and Fancy Feast - joy. Congrats BTW, to Glenn on his recent set completions, to PawPaw Hattox for the recent addition to his family and to St. Al for his 10th OBC anniversary. Hard to believe we've let you hang around this long, huh? Speaking of things that refuse to go away, I'll be hitting the 8 year mark in a couple months... where has the time gone? Idle thought to Mark Atnip regarding the 78 RPM recording post: I think I know why Larry Doby is mentioned more often than Jackie Robinson - Do you know how hard it is to rhyme something with "Robinson"? :-) I'm FINALLY happy to announce to all but a couple of you that if you're still waiting for a hat - you will be getting it very shortly! This morning I returned from the post offices in Everett and Malden, where I mailed out a dozen packages from each location both of the past two days (47 in all). My list just reads three names, plus I think a couple of the new guys weren't on it to begin with, so I'll have to figure that out. If you get a hat and you already have one PLMK. (Or if you're still waiting for your hat in a couple weeks, LMK on that too). Grant and Guru: Yours are still here, but I'll make it up to you both, I promise! I have a special item to add to Larry's package... and I have to find something to add to Grant's box, but it'll be worth the added wait. After reading Dave Fallen's solution to the problem of figuring out where a card is supposed to be on a 9-pocket page, I ask: "Wouldn't it be easier to just put a completed 900 card set of 1990 Score into the pages first, then replace each one card by card instead of trying to figure out that formula?" At least it would justify having a 900 ct. set of Score cards laying Second sets: Gary mentioned something about this on the other server, so here's my opinion. If I didn't have any second sets on my list, I'd have to listen to everyone complain about how hard it is to find cards on my list for reciprocation even MORE than I already do now. I have a complete run of Topps, Bowman, Fleer and Leaf regular issue sets from 1948-1980. That leaves me just a couple options: 1) Start a prewar set - I did this, but some of these cards are even harder to come across than their post war counteparts... and all of them are a lot more expensive. 2) Start an insert set like Standups, Transfers, Tattoos, etc. or a regional issue - if the purpose of adding a set was to give everyone a target to hit and not add things that they've never seen before, then this is not the way to go either. 3) Add a second set of stuff that people have in their dupes boxes, then sit back and do nothing. Eventually, I might have to break down and try to find a cheap Mantle or Ryan... but not always. plus when I first started in OBC, I had tougher grading requirements - most of my sets were in EX+ condition. Now that I've wised up and figured out how to do it right, it's a lot more fun collecting the sets the second time around. What will i do with the sets once they're finished? I can trade a complete set for some of the bigger cards on my list (which might be close to equal for some of those Leaf SP's I'm still looking for... OR I could put the set up on eBay with the proceeds going to pay for the OBC website... OR I could hold onto it and get rid of the nicer looking sets (a large percentage of which were completed by purchasing and don't have the sentimental value that the rough looking ones do.) Or I could do nothing with either of them. I remember a quote a long time ago from Josh I think: "What's better than holding a Carlton Rookie card in your hand? Holding a Carlton RC in EACH hand!" Thanks for the long read. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd sets Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:22:35 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I just had so many dupes, that I figured I would put together 2nd sets. That is why my lists go back to only '76. Before that all my dupes are gone. Also, figuring there were plenty of OBC'ers with lots of dupes from those years, it would be to do some swaps. Since I started, I've sent out about 1500 '76-'80 dupes, I don't know how many hits I have got... alot! :) Also, my actual list is down to 206 cards to go, so the hits are few and far between. It is, after all, fun to make sets. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: Smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd sets was interested in some opinions here. i have noticed recently that many folks collect 2nd sets, and was wondering why. is it to generate trading activity? to you give full sets away? do you sell them? just curious, since i am sure i am 90% of the way on many 2nd sets if i ever tried to put them together, and wanted to know if there was a reason i may have overlooked. tnx for your time. gm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 11 Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:46:32 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1971 Topps 17, 35, 53x2, 68, 81, 116, 119, 136, 149, 220, 238, 254, 315, 542x2 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: 12 Feb 2003 08:35:14 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Would you ever "knowingly" outbid another OBCer without 1st contacting them? For the purposes of this poll, if snipe software is used, that is not considered "knowingly". Also assume the person has never knowingly outbid you. Vote by 2-10-03. CHOICES AND RESULTS - No, unless I know they would not mind based on previous opinions., 11 votes, 61.11% - probably not (2% chance), 4 votes, 22.22% - maybe, if no time to contact them., 2 votes, 11.11% - probably (98%), 1 votes, 5.56% - Yes, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - No, unless I know they would not mind based on previous opinions. - bobs7714@aol.com - rwp5217@cox.net - mikesportsfan@aol.com - hoot-owl@comcast.net - alcazar@sympatico.ca - yazmon@sigecom.net - grif@psci.net - srittenberg66@earthlink.net - talbot1@comcast.net - bdangelo@aol.com - JEdward@aol.com - probably not (2% chance) - tldietrick@yahoo.com - grains@dccnet.com - obcron@yahoo.com - keithsummers@webtv.net - maybe, if no time to contact them. - dan@iamdanaustin.com - larrygers@hotmail.com - probably (98%) - apspr@msn.com - Yes For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 12 Feb 2003 08:35:18 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: How would you feel if another OBCer "knowingly" outbid you (without snipe software) in the final 4 seconds ($11.01 vs $11.02) on a card you really wanted, without contacting you first? Assume you were the listed high bidder for several days, the winner did not know your view on this issue, the card was NM & books for $20 NM & the auction was not broadcast to OBC at anytime. Vote by 2-10-03. CHOICES AND RESULTS - I'd be furious!, 0 votes, 0.00% - I'd be mad., 4 votes, 14.29% - I'd be slightly annoyed., 5 votes, 17.86% - No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad., 13 votes, 46.43% - I'd be happy an OBCer won it., 6 votes, 21.43% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - I'd be furious! - I'd be mad. - keithsummers@webtv.net - mikesportsfan@aol.com - srittenberg66@earthlink.net - tldietrick@yahoo.com - I'd be slightly annoyed. - hoot-owl@comcast.net - bdonaldson@callisma.com - talbot1@comcast.net - mheilenman@yahoo.com - larry.tipton@netzero.net - No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad. - bobs7714@aol.com - chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com - jsweet2@cox.net - rwp5217@cox.net - apspr@msn.com - alcazar@sympatico.ca - grif@psci.net - jcollins12@triad.rr.com - bdangelo@aol.com - cjmdpi@goldengate.net - scarter@multek.com - nthomas@pol.net - enduroking@cableone.net - I'd be happy an OBCer won it. - grains@dccnet.com - dan@iamdanaustin.com - yazmon@sigecom.net - dsh46@aol.com - JEdward@aol.com - obcron@yahoo.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:34:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 2/12/03 2:36:07 AM Central Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > CHOICES AND RESULTS > - I'd be furious!, 0 votes, 0.00% > - I'd be mad., 4 votes, 14.29% > - I'd be slightly annoyed., 5 votes, 17.86% > - No big deal. I should have bid more if I wanted it so bad., 13 votes, > 46.43% > - I'd be happy an OBCer won it., 6 votes, 21.43% 86-14? that ought to end this! thanks for the poll. gm ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: cannibalizing Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:21:57 -0600 From: "terry ellis" ive been thinking, just thinking about cannibilizing my 56 set to get my 66 68 and 61 sets done or close if you can are interested and can do major damage lmk. thanks kit okamuro The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: Subject: FW: Rick's latest MRI Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:18:43 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Passing on this note from Roberta Redpath. Subject: Rick's latest MRI To all of our friends: Next month it will mark one year since Rick's diagnosis. I'm sorry that it's taken close to that long for me to get myself organized in terms of updating people regularly. I want to thank all of you for your concern, support, and prayers during the last year. We had a very nice stretch of time where Rick was able to regain his strengh and some of his cognitive skills. The fall months through Christmas saw slow but steady improvement in most areas of his functioning. January however, was less clearly positive. Rick had some vague complaints but no dramatic changes in his abilities. We were thinking that he had just hit a plateau in this progress combined with a drop in overall activity. His white count had dropped below a level that was acceptable to continue chemotherapy at the beginning of February. The plan was to wait a week and recheck him. Unfortunately, Rick's count was still too low, and we continued to wait. In the meantime, he had an episode during dinner Friday night (2/7), which was similar to a mild stroke, where he lost his right side motor functions, temporarily. He spent the night in the hospital and an MRI was taken. They ruled out a stroke, and the MDs on duty suspected a seizure. Within 24 hours his functioning returned and they send us home on increased seizure medicine. He had some more, less dramatic trouble on Sunday. On Monday, his onchologist at Dana Farber read his latest scan and we learned that the tumor area had in fact changed. There was an increase in the amount of swelling detected, in addition to a slightly larger area of tumor activity. It was decided that the chemotherapy drug he was currently taking was no longer effective, and we needed to make a new choice. We considered more traditional chemotherapy drugs, and several clinical trials, and decided on the following plan: He has started taking steroids in an attempt to control the symptoms of the swelling, and he will begin taking an experimental drug called OSI774. It is a phase II trial of a drug designed to block a signal from the molecule called EGFR which drives brain tumor cells to divide uncontrollably. This is one of the new, and more promising areas of research currently underway. The last slot available for this nationwide study is currently reserved for Rick, and he is scheduled to begin on Tuesday, February 18. As frightening as all of this continues to be, the fact that he got the last slot of this trial has to be a good omen. We continue to be hopeful, and Rick is maintaining his amazing positive attitude and focus. The steroids seem to be holding his motor issues in check. We try to take each day as it comes. We ask you all to continue keeping us in your prayers. I will send an update in a few weeks, once his treatment begins. The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:41:42 EST Subject: football books anyone? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com My local library usually has a few shelves full of books that have been taken out of circulation and are for sale for real short money. I recently purchased a couple of football books and have read them. I know there can't possibly be any Raider fans out there, but on the off chance there is one or if someone wants some football reads, I have... "They Call Me Assassin" by Jack Tatum and Bill Kushner (1979): This is really not a very good read - I had to try very hard to finish it. The chapter on Woody Hayes is ENDLESS. "Cruisin' with the Tooz" by John Matuszak with Steve Delsohn (1987): This book is an easy read and is actually pretty decent. It's not Earth-shattering stuff by any means, but its well written and I found myself chuckling on a couple of occasions. Happy Collecting! ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 12 Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:53:36 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1955 Bowman 2x2, 3, 4, 5x2, 6, 7, 8x2, 11, 13, 24x2, 27x2, 28, 30, 31x2, 32, 34x3, 35, 37, 40x2, 42x2, 44x2, 45x2, 46x2, 47x3, 49x3, 50, 51, 52, 53x3,54x2, 55, 56x2, 61x5, 62x2, 63x3, 69x2, 71x2, 74x2, 76, 80, 81, 82x3, 83, 84, 86, 87, 91, 92, 95, 96x2, 99, 100x3, 105x3, 106x2, 107x5, 108x2, 111x2,112, 114x2, 115x3, 117x3, 119, 120, 121x4, 122x2, 123, 124x2, 125x3, 126x3, 127, 128x2, 133, 135x2, 137x2, 138x4, 140, 141x2, 145, 146x3, 147, 148, 149, 151, 153, 159x2, 161x2, 162, 163x2, 166x2, 167, 172x3, 173x2, 174x2, 176, 177x3, 178, 181x2, 183, 185x2, 186x2, 187, 190, 192, 193, 194, 195x4, 201, 203x2, 204x2, 205, 206x3, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214x2, 215, 216,217, 219x2, 220, 221x2, 222, 223, 224x3, 294 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Update: News and long overdue thanks Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 08:08:13 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net You can officially count me as a statistic in the "found a new job" category. Next Monday I will start my new job as a Technical Writer for a small software company in Roseville, Minnesota. I'm excited to be working again after four plus months off, but I'll miss spending my days with my three year old daughter Kendra. We've been having lots of fun over the last few months. I've learned to color inside the lines and make lots of fun things out of Legos. I haven't been very active in OBC since I lost my job last September. I sort of let incommings collect in a pile on my (messy) table in my hobby room. At some point a couple of months ago, I put some cards away and made a list of people I needed to thank. That list disappeared, so I think there will be some ommissions on the list I am about to type. If you sent me something and don't see your name here, I apologize. Steve Rittenberg was my OBC Santa. Steve sent a '55 Topps DoubleHeader of Wayne Terwilliger. Twig is my HOM candidate. This was the first time I'd even seen the Twig '55 DH and now I own it. Yay! Andy Cook sent a T206 of a St. Paul Saints player, Quillen. Ray Luurs sent a neat photo of Harmon Killebrew. Ray moved away around the time I was laid off. As a result I missed the going away bash he threw for the local OBC members. I am sad I missed that. From here on my notes just list names and what sets. I didn't track numbers of cards or anything like that. So, here goes.... Glenn Codere - 1967 & 1972 Bob D'Angelo - 1965 Chuck Paris - 1954 Bowman, 1958 & 1960 Marshall West - some Killebrew oddballs Al Cummings - 1954 Bowman Larry Tipton - 1958 Steve Rittenberg - 1956 & 1974 Fleer Mike Wierzbicki - 1972 Terry Dietrick - 1970 Lynn Miller - 1958, 1960, 1965, 1967 & 1968 And someone whose name I can't decipher with a return address of Hellendale, California sends a 1967 League Leader card. I didn't see anyone living in that town in the directory. Thank you whoever you are. Thanks to many of you for the kind notes and thoughts over the last few months. I really appreciate it. I did manage to clean my hobby room a little bit. I need another bookcase for card albums and some more sorting time. I think my dupes box and "my cards to put in albums" stack might have gotten mixed up. I need to figure out that situation before I can send out cards. No sense in compouding a problem. With the new job and all, my goal is to be active and sending out cards by Opening Day. That's my goal. Yours in OBC, David Skoglund ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:44:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Interesting eBay seller To: obc ramblings From: Matthew The eBay seller "3xsbmvp" has a bunch of high-profile, low PSA grade cards right now. No scans and money order only, but he has 99.9% positive feedback (1 neutral) of over 1100. I verified the PSA number of a 51B Mays and bid on it, but there are plenty of others. Worth a look, as the methods of the seller may lead to lower bids, even for slabs. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 15:59:11 EST Subject: Set another chair for V03 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com ....a high chair that is! KAIRI GARRETT was born to daughter Julie and her husband Andrew at 8:02 this morning. Mom and baby doing great, Grandma and Grandpa a bit tired but very Rest well, ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:08:52 EST Subject: Rookie Card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Here is Kairi's Rookie Card, bring it to V03 if you want it autographed. Rest well, ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:25:53 EST Subject: I too To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I too at last am among the esteemed recipients of an official OBC Hat c/o Ken Morganti. I was considering taking it cross country with me to California, but I fear the risk of loss is too great. ================= To: Subject: My lack of participation Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:33:34 -0500 From: "ochiai" I'd like to apologize to everybody for not being an active member of OBC. You guys and the group are great but I am putting more and more time into my Japanese Baseball Card business. As a result, I'm not really collecting US cards anymore - I haven't bought one in about 2 years. I've thought about stepping down from the group, but I keep thinking that I'll find the time to send out some of my many doubles - but I never do. I'd like to stay in the group, but for those of you have haven't already done so, please remove me from the lists of people you send cards to. I feel too guilty taking and not giving back. When I get the time to start distributing cards, then please feel free to include me again rob fitts ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:54:09 EST Subject: L.A. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Does anyone know any dealers that worth making a special trip to see in Los ================= Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:08:55 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] L.A. To: JDelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I assume you mean card dealers... Things in L.A. are rather expensive...but there are two stores worth going. Beverly Hills Baseball card shop is a little pricey but they do have a nice selection of oddball, older, and off-condition stuff. The best store in Los Angeles is Burbank Sportscards. They have a huge inventory (most in the back rooms) including several bargain bins and off-condition cards. They also have cards sorted by teams and number from the 40s through now. Rather impressive ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Your most sentimental card Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:13:07 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" I was browsing the message boards on the Topps site, and ran across a thread that prompted me to write. "What is the most sentimental card in your collection? Many of the replies listed very new cards (how can a new card besentimental?), but many were vintage. Thought it would be nice to read about each other's favorite card here. For me it is a Sandy Koufax rookie. Jim Wiehe surprised me with it severalyears back. I had just gotten back into collecting, joined OBC and had put together a wantlist mainly consisting of Dodger cards. Most of the cardsI put on there with a thought of "cold day in Hell before I'll ever own these." So one day this card shows up, no questions asked - here ya' go, buddy! I was stunned! Sat down for several minutes staring at this card - beat up, creased, scuffed - but a Koufax RC! Years later I'm still amazed! Runner up is a '66 Koufax I picked up as a teenager, along with most of the'66 Dodger set. It had a couple of corners missing, but through the years, it was one of the few cards I held on to. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site- I just think it's very, very cool) ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 13 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:47:58 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1962 Topps 2, 3, 4x3, 11, 16x3, 23x5, 32x2, 34, 36, 38, 39x4, 42, 43, 44x4,47x4, 49, 63, 66x2, 68x3, 71x5, 74x2, 76, 78, 79x4, 82x2, 84, 87x3, 92, 96. 98x3, 101x3, 104, 105x2, 112, 117x2, 130, 131, 134, 147, 148, 154x2, 168,176x2, 187, 188, 190, 192, 212, 214, 220, 241, 273, 277, 333, 349, 359, 367x3, 369, 375, 402, 412, 414, 422x3, 452x2 Gratefully accepting Green Tints Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: 14 Feb 2003 08:21:45 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: What is the highest bid you think your most valuable single card (any type) would get on ebay in a 7 day "true" no reserve auction starting @ $1? Assume you had clear photos, described the condition correctly, you (or your seller) had 200 positives & no negatives or nuetrals, S&H was $5 by Priority Mail & included insurance plus it ended in prime time on the best day (ideal situation). o $20-$40 o $41-$60 o $61-$80 o $81-$100 o $101-$120 o $121-$140 o $141-$160 o $161-$180 o $181-$200 o $201-220 o $221-$240 o $241-$260 o $261-$280 o $281-$300 o $301-$340 o $341-$360 o $361-$399 o $400-$439 o $440-$499 o $500-$599 o $600-$699 o $700-$799 o $800-$899 o $900-$999 o $1000+ To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11046879 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: 14 Feb 2003 12:40:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nominations Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I have received one new list of nominations since the last update. Newly added to the lists are Kent Goto for Facilitator/Voting Member, Howard Morgan for Voting Member and John McLaughlin for Voting Member. Jim Wiehe has requested that he be removed from the ballot. The current ballot is as follows: Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Kent Goto Voting Member: Kent Goto Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Howard Morgan John McLaughlin Deadline for nominations is 12 noon PST, February 15. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 07:56:49 -0800 From: "John Collins" For me it has to be the '56 Topps Mickey Mantle. When I was about 10 yearsold (1987 or so) and was just finding out what vintage cards were and were all about, I saw a picture of the '56 Topps set and the Mantle card in some hobby publication. It may have been Beckett, but I'm not sure if I knewabout Beckett then. Anyway, I remember seeing the '56 Mantle and thinking it was the neatest looking card I had ever seen. The Mick has that wide smile, and the action pic shows him leaping against the wall, almost fighting the fans for the ball in order to make a spectacular catch. And hey, besides how it looks, this was "The Mick." At the time I remember seeing the price listing for this card (it may have been all of $300 then) and thinking well, I'll never own that one. Not so. Several years later (I'm guessing I was 13 or 14) I was in Hickory, NC visiting my grandparents and my cousin. I was in the local shopping mall with my mom and everybody else, when I saw a store called "Amazing Heroes," that sold mostly comic books, but also dabbled in baseball cards. When I walked in and began looking around, I immediately noticed what was sitting in the display case -- it was the holy grail -- a '56 Topps Mantle. Icouldn't take my eyes off it. I casually asked the part-time clerk if they ever traded cards. Usually in stores like this, they said no, but this must have been my lucky day. The guy said "sure, what've you got?" I immediately rushed out to the car, where of course, I had a box full of my bestcards. Have cards will travel. At home I was already known in the neighboorhood as a somewhat ruthless child trader of vintage cards. I was goingto see if that would work here. When I brought the box back in and the clerk learned that I was interested in the Mantle (of course the most expensive card in the store) he kind of laughed. "Well, maybe if you've got 10 Griffey's or something like that.......(as laughable as that sounds today, this was when Ken Griffey Jr.'s 1989 Upper Deck card was the hottest card in the hobby -- maybe at the time that didn't sound like a stupid trade to everybody, but it sure did to me). I didn't have 10 Griffey's, but I did have 1, and I wound up trading that,and nearly every other vintage card I owned (in particular I remember a nice '56 Ernie Banks and I think a '61 Mantle) for the '56 Mick. I walked out of the store elated. It was one of those cards that I had said "if I ever actually get this one, I can quit collecting...." Of course I didn't quit collecting, and in fact, finally posessing that card probably made my passion for old cards grow even more. I took the card back to my Grandmother's house and remember sitting at her kitchen table putting it into one of those thick "this is a really expensive card" screw-down cases. My Grandfather, in his 70's at the time, would often see us cousins trading cards and make a causal remark, "Who've you got, Mickey Mantle?" I think he was surprised when I was actually able to say My 1956 Topps #135 is perfectly centered, in VG/EX condition and sits on it's throne as the cornerstone of my collection today. A VERY good memory. Thanks for bringing this up Geordie ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 10:13 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card I was browsing the message boards on the Topps site, and ran across a thread that prompted me to write. "What is the most sentimental card in your collection? Many of the replies listed very new cards (how can a new card be sentimental?), but many were vintage. Thought it would be nice to read about each other's favorite card here. For me it is a Sandy Koufax rookie. Jim Wiehe surprised me with it several years back. I had just gotten back into collecting, joined OBC and had put together a wantlist mainly consisting of Dodger cards. Most of the cards I put on there with a thought of "cold day in Hell before I'll ever own these." So one day this card shows up, no questions asked - here ya' go, buddy! I was stunned! Sat down for several minutes staring at this card - beat up, creased, scuffed - but a Koufax RC! Years later I'm still amazed! Runner up is a '66 Koufax I picked up as a teenager, along with most of the '66 Dodger set. It had a couple of corners missing, but through the years, it was one of the few cards I held on to. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site - I just think it's very, very cool) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:09:11 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Let's see... 1955 Topps Roberto Clemente (currently in the Tipton Hall of Fame), courtesy of OBCer Brett Domue 1952 Topps Willie Mays, courtesy of OBCer Bob Donaldson 1954 Topps Ernie Banks, courtesy of OBCer Larry Zurawski 1951 Topps Teams Red Sox, courtesy of OBCer Lynn Miller 1964 Topps Stand Up Carl Yastrzemski, courtesy of OBCer Mark Atnip 1904 Ramly Arrelanes, courtesy of OBCer Andy Cook Auto'd HOF Placque card of Bobby Doerr, courtesy of OBCer Todd Knowles 1940 Playball Bobby Doerr, courtesy of OBCer Lynn Miller 1973 OPC Nolan Ryan, courtesy of OBCer Dan Austin T206 Eddie Cicotte, courtesy of Mac Wubben I think there's a pattern here. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:48:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your most sentimental card From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, My most sentimental card is actually 33 of them -- the 1961 Golden Press set. In 1968, my parents bought me the set at a place called King's in West Palm Beach (on U.S. 1, right on the canal at the southern city limits). I think it cost something like 99 cents or $1.99, maybe even $2.99. Came in the book and you detached the perforated cards (wish I hadn't, I saw the price on eBay lately, ha ha). This was only a small part of my collection at the time. As a kid, I think I had maybe 5,500 cards. In the early 1990s, I had to sell my cards to pay off debts (my wife at the time also liked to collect cards -- the plastic kinds that get you in trouble if you use them too frequently. But that's another story ...). So all my cards were gone, sold at a pittance. After my divorce, I was moving to a new place and was packing my stuff. Up high in the closet, tucked away in a manila envelope, were the Golden Press cards! Wow, something I didn't sell ... a link to my childhood. This also happened around the time of Mickey Mantle's death, so when the 1996 Topps came out with Mantle tributes, etc., I decided to start my collection again from scratch. After a few internet deals, I stumbled onto the OBC site and was intrigued. I did some trades with Steve Simms, Ron Kingsbury, Rick Ellison and others, and was hooked again. And it has been a wonderful ride ever since. And the Golden Press cards? I still have them, but at least now they are in a binder! ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:09:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your most sentimental card From: "larrygersh " That's a tuff one. Unlike most of you, my nine year older sister got me into baseball cards. She was quite the Tom boy as a youth and was always the first to be chosen by the boys in any pick up sandlot game in the neighbor hood. When she finally moved on to the more typical teenage girl pursuits, as her only brother, inherited her vast collection of early 50's baseball cards. I cherish them all. Any cards that I have given out to OBCer's that date 1956 & earlier were actually originally collected by my sister, Sandy. The first cards I purchased for myself was as a six year in 1957. My favorite card is the Hank Aaron misprint of him batting left handed. It is one of the framed cards I have hanging on my wall at my office at work. I was given 5 or 10 cents for riding my bike to the corner grocer to pick up milk or bread for my Mom. I always parlayed this cash into baseball cards. I can remember sitting on the front steps of Conradt's store, openning the wax packs and wishing for Redlegs. Give my a Vada Pinson any day, who the hell was Mickey Mantle. Wasn't he one of those hated Yankees? Obviously, rookie cards meant nothing back then. Those were the nobody heard of em, junk cards. In fact I still have the 58T Roger Maris that rode my bike spokes. Aaah, those were the days. Thanx for the memories. That's why I love Much appreciation gang, --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Geordie Calvert" wrote: > I was browsing the message boards on the Topps site, and ran across a thread that prompted me to write. "What is the most sentimental card in your collection? Many of the replies listed very new cards (how can a new card be sentimental?), but many were vintage. Thought it would be nice to read about each other's favorite card here. > For me it is a Sandy Koufax rookie. Jim Wiehe surprised me with it several years back. I had just gotten back into collecting, joined OBC and had put together a wantlist mainly consisting of Dodger cards. Most of the cards I put on there with a thought of "cold day in Hell before I'll ever own these." So one day this card shows up, no questions asked - here ya' go, buddy! I was stunned! Sat down for several minutes staring at this card - beat up, creased, scuffed - but a Koufax RC! Years later I'm still amazed! > Runner up is a '66 Koufax I picked up as a teenager, along with most of the '66 Dodger set. It had a couple of corners missing, but through the years, it was one of the few cards I held on to. > Geordie > http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site - I just think it's very, very cool) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:29:33 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Geordie , great question! Honorable mentions would have to include the 1941 PB Ted Williams I got from Brock Hattox and the 1954 Topps Ted Williams that I paid $5 for in 1975 when I was 13 ($5 for a BB card screamed my parents, although they spent the next 10 minutes looking at the card and talking about Teddy!) I then went to a hunting/fishing show, tracked down Mr. Williams and got it autographed. But My most sentimental card would be a 1933 Goudey of Joe Cronin. It was given to me by my father when a few months after I bought the Williams. It was my first 33 Goudey which is still my favorite set of all-time, it was of a HOF'er who eventually played for the Red Sox, but mostly it was from my dad. Growing up it was my mother who always bought b-day/xmas presents and this might of been the first time that my father specifically bought a present for me. I'd been collecting older cards for a few years and a shop had recently opened in town, and even back then I had a strong preference for the older cards. Dad made a great choice, it only cost home $5, but the card is priceless to me. thanks for the memories ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:17:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Mine is very easy.... Many years ago when OBC was relatively new Mike Wheat ran an auction that contained a beat up Magie error. I put in a modest $1000 bid. Told OBC that I will probably be outbid but would try anyway...I was outbid quickly and heartily. The final bid was something like $4000. Oh well...10 days later the card shows up in my mailbox with a note from Mike Wheat saying that the card was bought as a group by OBC. Jim Montgomery spent large portion of money on this for me himself (remember, OBC was much smaller then). I was floored...stunned...flabbergasted...still am when i think about it...it is a crown jewel in my Phillies collection and holds an ever more special place in my heart....thanks again to all my OBC people... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: potential HOF location for OBC Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 12:56:22 -0500 From: "Joe Isaac" Hello everyone, I was in Tennessee on business this past week and we drove late into the night to one of our desinations in southwest TN when I saw a potential home for the OBC HOF - Tiptonville!! I kid you not, Exit 13 off I155 in Tennessee. I can see it now, bikes with 52 Mantles in the spokes, card flipping everywhere, mangled and hole punched cards, charred remains of HOFers and commons, etc. Just wanted to share this amusing thought with Have a nice weekend everyone, Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:31:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potential HOF location for OBC To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/14/2003 12:19:04 PM Central Standard Time, jwi62@hotmail.com writes: > saw a potential home > for the OBC HOF - Tiptonville!! I like it. Population 2149. Could we buy the town and turn it in to a commercial enterprise? Naw, I guess that wouldn't be OBC like. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:42:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potential HOF location for OBC To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... maybe we should just start choosing residents at random and start sending them Tipton Mint cards. Imagine the stir... the confusion... the fun! I can hear it now... "Hey, Jed.. you get anything in the mail "Well, I did but I don' know what to make of it. Come from group called OBC and it's a ratty ol' ballcard of Foster Castleman." "Think we should alert the feds? Have 'em tested to see if they got that anthrax powder or somethin'...." "Reckon' it wouldn't hurt..." Weeks later, hundreds of envelopes, each containing a single Tiptonesque card had arrived, with postmarks from all over the freakin' country. The only note ever attached is "We are OBC... We come in peace." ;-) Take care and have a great afternoon... ================= To: XTrJmx@aol.com OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potential HOF location for OBC Date: 14 Feb 2003 12:08:09 -0800 From: "John Collins" Has anybody seen the movie Signs? How about we go to a rural farm town and make crop circles. Then in them, we leave all kinds of beat up old baseball cards. Tipton mint Mantles, and creased up Johnny Callison's !! We could even carve out the giant letters "OBC..." >--- Original Message --- >From: XTrJmx@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 2/14/03 9:42:57 AM >Hi all... maybe we should just start choosing residents at random and start >sending them Tipton Mint cards.  Imagine the stir... the confusion... >fun!   I can hear it now... "Hey, Jed.. you get anything in the mail >"Well, I did but I don' know what to make of it.  Come from group called OBC >and it's a ratty ol' ballcard of Foster Castleman."   >"Think we should alert the feds?  Have 'em tested to see if they got that >anthrax powder or somethin'...."  >"Reckon' it wouldn't hurt..."  >Weeks later, hundreds of envelopes, each containing a single Tiptonesque card >had arrived, with postmarks from all over the freakin' country. The only note >ever attached is "We are OBC... We come in peace."  ;-) >Take care and have a great afternoon... >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 15:55:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potential HOF location for OBC To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I nominate Tiptonville as the first nationwide OBC convention site....book your reservations now for OBC 2004!! ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:00:10 EST Subject: Tiptonville website---really To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com check out what is coming to Tiptonville next month!!! Start Spreadin' The News! Come On and Be a Part of It, NEW YORK! NEW YORK! Impersonator Gary Burt with special guests Lake County High School Dance Team March 22, 2003 Buford Ellington Assembly Hall Buffet Begins at 7:00 p.m. Tickets are $15 each fun fun fun ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 17:21:02 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potential HOF location for OBC To: Wite3@aol.com, jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/14/2003 2:57:42 PM Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com > I nominate Tiptonville as the first nationwide OBC convention site....book > your reservations now for OBC 2004!! We used to have a museum in nearby Murray, KY. Trust me, you can't get there from anywhere. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:33:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: Geordie Calvert , From: Chris Stufflestreet 1979 Topps Thurman Munson. There's a story to this...When we were still a Navy family, we'd take two weeks every summer when Dad got his leave and go up to New York to visit my Mom's family (where I lived after my parents would split in '82). Our trip north during the Summer of '79 from Virginia Beach started at the end of July, and after we got there I got to hear my older cousin Jimmy badger me about how much better his baseball card collection was than mine. At the time, I was six and he was nine. I had recently discovered that i was a Yankees fan and was happy to be visiting, because Grandma had cable and got WPIX-New York, the station that showed Yankees games (and had Phil Rizzuto announcing), so I was able to watch a few games. Fortunately, my family is a large group of Yanks fans. The news came in on August 2nd that Thurman Munson had died in a plane crash, and I remember the moment vividly: I was out in the back yard while Jimmy was ripping me for something that he could do better than me, when his sister Lori came out crying. "Thurman Munson's dead!" That year, I had started really collecting baseball cards (in '78 I had a few cards, but my collection was largely non-sports), and my collection joined me for the trip. I remember being able to thumb through the cards, looking for the distinctive orange stripe that said YANKEES. When I put the cards into my shoebox, I grouped them by team, but always made certain that the Yanks were on top. Upon recieving the news about Munson, I went to my shoebox to look and see if I had Thurman's card. I had several Yankees -- Reggie, Bucky, Goose, even Ken Clay and Dick Tidrow. But no Munson. It wasn't there, but Jimmy had one. Like everything else, he immediately got on me about, "how can you say you have a baseball card collection without Thurman Munson? How can you say you like the Yankees?" At the time, I wasn't aware of things like collation and couldn't explain why Munson hadn't made its way into any of the wax packs my parents bought me, but I wasn't yet knowledgeable enough to explain to Jimmy when he went on about how valuable his blasted Munson card was worth to let him know that the "numbering system" he used to identify his cards (he wrote a number on them with a pen) would cause his cards to be significantly devalued. Not that Jimmy would have believed me. In Carthage, NY there weren't a lot of places that sold cards, but there was a "mom and pop" store down the block from Grandma's house called Forney's. A few day after Munson's plane crash, I went down and bought a pack. When I pulled off the wrapper and tossed in and the gum into the garbage can (I wasn't crazy about Topps' hard gum), I started thumbing through the cards, looking for Yankees. About four cards down, I saw one, and when I looked closer...it was Munson. To this day, I remember the sight: a head shot of Munson, with him looking away from the photographer (I found out years later that Thurman absolutely hated having his picture taken). It was now quite a poignant picture, but at six I didn't understand that. I did know, however, that I finally had a card of Thurman Munson, and that there wouldn't be any others. I know that's a long way of answering such a short question, but there is no hesitation when I answer it. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 20:29:45 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card From: Gary Pearce At 12:13 AM 2/14/03, Geordie Calvert wrote; >I was browsing the message boards on the Topps site, and ran across a >thread that prompted me to write. "What is the most sentimental card in >your collection? Many of the replies listed very new cards (how can a new >card be sentimental?), but many were vintage. Thought it would be nice to >read about each other's favorite card here. Excellent topic! Mine is a beat-up 1968 Topps Casey Cox card in my display case, right under the Joe Montana RC and next to a Diamond Stars Ted Lyons. When I was about 9 or 10 years old (c. 1977-78) I traded a friend of mine for the card, figuring it would be neat to have a card from the year I was born and from a team that didn't exist any more (Senators). At the time it didn't really connect with me that there was also A WHOLE SET of cards from the year I was born. It wasn't until many years later, I learned that my card is the scarce yellow-letter team-name variation. My other sentimental favorites are my Ted Lyons cards, particularly those from OBCers. I grew up about 15 miles away from his retirement home of Vinton, LA. He was apparently a willing signer and would always sit down for an interview (A girl I dated in college interviewed him as part of a high school project. He gave her a bunch of autographs, cards, etc, and she gave them all away. I knew after that it would never last.....) Anyway I had never heard of him until it was too late. He died at the hospital in the same small town where I lived (Sulphur, LA) about 2 months after I graduated from high school. My mother-in-law is big into genealogy research and it turns out Ted is very very distantly related to my wife's family. There's a common ancestor some 6-8 generations back. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 22:08:16 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com I starting collecting in 1968, the summer in which I turned 8. I would go to bed at night with the transistor radio tucked under my pillow, tuned in to the Twins game. A fair number of my cards survived childhood, including my sentimental favorite, the 1968 Topps Twins team card. It has been folded, spindled and mutilated, and today is in a plastic case. Running a close second has to be the 1968 "Superstars" card where Killebrew is in the fine company of Mantle and Mays. To this day that card gives me great satisfaction in the fact that my boyhood hero Harmon was found fit to be on the same card as those two. The only reason I can't select that card is I, alas, had to buy it a few years ago as my childhood version is long gone. Thanks for bringing back some great memories! ================= Date: 15 Feb 2003 03:35:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New cap to tip From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Just in today, the new and improved OBC cap, really a nice item to be proudly displayed and worn. Thanks to all who had a hand in its design, production and distribution. Wear it with pride and show that OBC spirit. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:38:15 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I run the risk of embarrassing Lynn Miller here, and for that Lynn, I There is one card in my collection that has meaning far beyond any other. A few years ago, we came very close to losing our only child to severe medical conditions. I was really down, and as I am wont to do, used Ramblings to vent. Our daughter made quite a miraculous recovery, with the odds against her. I will never forget the day the letter arrived from Diego Garcia, the same day we got Kate back from the hospital, and I handed her the envelope to open. Inside was a one hit wonder…a ’52 Billy Hoeft rookie…not to mention it being a high number. Lynn had taken this card out of his set, and determined that it would be good therapy for old Dad, who was in a great deal of torment at the time. Kate said “I think that’s Billy’s rookie card Ever since, that card has held a place of honor in my computer room, where I play with my cards, and have a couple of neat things on display. I’m usually (apart from the family) the only one who ever gets to see it. I look at it every day, and remember the thought and generosity that came with this card. One day, I’ll send it back to Lynn, but I’m not ready yet. It means too much to me. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 14 Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:58:38 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1953 Bowman Color 1, 5, 11x2, 13, 23, 29, 37, 38, 47, 58, 67, 74, 87, 90, 103, 106, 131 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 08:04:42 -0500 Subject: my most sentimental card To: obc ramblings From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have two candidates from the card closet: First, it should come as no surprise to anyone who read my HOM nomination of Jim Konstanty that one of those cards is the 1953-55 Dormand postcard of Jim on the Yankees. Too many pluses with this card--I knew the guy, it is personally autographed to me, he was in his yankee uniform, and it has a telltale thumbtack hole from where it was tacked to my bulletin board for most of my childhood. The second is either my rookie card of Steve Carlton/Fritz Ackley or Koosman and Ryan. Or for that matter, many other rookie cards from the mid- to late sixties. Most of them are cut in half and serve as a reminder just how much fun we (my brothers and I) had with our cards. You had a minimum of two additional team players when you cut, or occasionally tore, these cards in half. I suppose I wouldn't turn away a one-piece Carlton rookie card, but I am quite content with my two piece version tucked away in my 1965 binder. I actually had some thoughts of asking what is the goofiest trading card you have in your collection. What do I mean by goofy--52 Topps Zernial card with the pink shirt and the five baseballs glued to his bat, or the Jim Brown football card with the pink cadillac in the background, or maybe the 1960 fleer fb card I received yesterday of Gene Cockrell shown running with a tackling dummy. Quite a pose. Thanks for the memories OBC peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:26:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tiptonville Tennessee or Saturday Morning Geography Lesson To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Joe's note about Tiptonville, Tennessee was of interest. I must share that I have also passed through this potential site for the OBC Hall of Fame. My sister works in Paducah, Kentucky as a Journalist. She actually lives between Paducah and Tiptonville in a very small town know as Lovelaceville. Which, in and of itself, could generate another whole line of comments. Tiptonville has a very unique history, not unlike that of OBC. For those of you who want to check this out, Tiptonville is very close to the Mississippi river in the northwest corner of Tennessee. The entire area was tiptonized by a very large earthquake in the early 1800's from the New Madrid fault. New Madrid is a small town across the river in In part of the area the Mississippi river actually runs north, and there is an area north and west of Tiptonville that belongs to Kentucky, but is only accessable by land from Tennessee. Wife and I drove to this area and there are almost no residents, as I suspect it often floods, but there is a Welcome To Kentucky sign. I didn't see anything that even closely resembled a card shop. This area would likely be ripe of The OBC Hall Of Fame. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Sentimental Journey Continues Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 07:51:05 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Great topic! Mine are actually 4 cards. In about 1957 I traded a kid a new softball for a box of his dad's 24 year-old cards - a complete set of Goudeys with the 4Ruth cards - my favorite player. My buddies thought I had wasted a perfectly good ball on some old cards, but I wanted to be a big league shortstop and you didn't get to the show by playing softball anyway. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:19:34 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card From: Originaleek@webtv.net It should come as no surprise to some of you that my choice would be my 1959T #34 "Pitchers Beware" featuring my two favorite Tigers, Charlie Maxwell & Al Kaline. I remember sitting on my bike outside Fangers Market opening a pack of cards and discovering this marvelous card. The great part about it was, up until that point, I didn't know the card even existed, so it made it that much more of a surprise. I was with several buddies and we had just been to Haskell Park playing ball, one of them said, "what a stupid color for a baseball card" referring to the pink background. These were fighting words with me because my 58T Maxwell also had a pink background. Had we not been so tired from playing ball all day it could have come to blows. Denny's dislike for pink cards was a boon to me because I got many of the cards he rejected, including the 58 Jim Bunning. A few years later, I tried to get his 59 Bob Gibson, but he evidently softened his stance on pink cards in the interim. Thanks Geordie for bringing this topic up, beats the heck out of e-bay squabbles. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Last Call to sign up.... Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:35:34 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" As per a previous email, I'm sending out excerpts from hobby correspondencethat long time collector, Lionel Carter loaned me. The letters range from 1940 to the 1980s. I'm including excerpts from representative letters everyother day. This should last about a month in that I'll lose interest in typing by then. Send me (George Vrechek) an email if you want to be added to my email list in that I didn't want to clog up the ramblings email with this. A few samples of what I've run across: Charles "Buck" Barker, St Louis, Mo Buck Barker was one of the key editors of the American Card Catalog. His interest was in baseball cards. He was a fan. Buck was very generous with hiscards, unconcerned about condition. His handwriting is playful. He starts each letter with a different friendly greeting. There are even a few pictures of Buck included. Buck writes in 1970 "Dear Lionel de Agincourt, Your clips (from newspapers) were so interesting I can't say "no". Will let Ray Medieros and maybe George Tinker see them too. Been reading your good stuff -latest from Bray (Card Collectors Bulletin, editor). Did Broder (yes, the Broder of Broder cards) say he got that thing out after Woody (Gelman) toldhim not to?.Working on a good Zeenut deal with Dobbins. Can use M116 Bereen, Kane, Smith, White, Walsh in that order. Adios, Buck" What a name dropper that Buck. Bob Jasperson Palmer method handwriting, long letters written sideways on note pads. Numerous letters over many years. Bob is the editor of Sport Fan magazine. Lionel Carter is a writer for SF. 1967 Bob writes about visiting Charles Bray. "We poured over a number of his own cards, although he said he had disposed of his personal collection a couple of years ago. Since then though he's picked up some old numbers thathe is hanging on to." "He said you were promoting a convention for card collectors." Harry Lilien, NYC 1946 "I guess you are surprised to hear from me after such a long time. I got out of the army a few weeks ago.I haven't looked over my collection since I've returned. My brother, Sid, was taking care of it until he went into the army. From what I did see it doesn't seem as much was issued during thewar. I guess it was because of no gum." Dr L. Kurzrok, NYC 1948 "Sorry to be away so long but have been operating and delivery babies day and nite. Need 1933 Big League 56, 73, 238. 1938 Big League 242, 257, 265, 267, 269, 275, 281, 286." ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:02:25 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: Originaleek@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:15:53 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com My most sentinmental cards? Thats easy. It's the ones we sent to Kevin Lhose, that he and his son picked up while he was on the way to the hospital for tests. The joy those cards brought to a terminally ill man and his son is more valuable than any cards I will ever own. The cards we sold in an auction for Kevin's kids, the ones we sold in an auction when Bob Miller's house burned, and Josh's Magie all get an honorable mention. Those are the cards that define OBC for me. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:20:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, I must undoubtedly agree with Doug Smith with my choice for my most sentimental card. Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: 2/15/2003 11:16:43 AM Central Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent from the Internet (Details) My most sentinmental cards? Thats easy. It's the ones we sent to Kevin Lhose, that he and his son picked up while he was on the way to the hospital for tests. The joy those cards brought to a terminally ill man and his son is more valuable than any cards I will ever own. The cards we sold in an auction for Kevin's kids, the ones we sold in an auction when Bob Miller's house burned, and Josh's Magie all get an honorable mention. Those are the cards that define OBC for me. - Doug ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:58:37 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" It has to be my 69 Yaz, which is featured on my online wantlist members.tripod.com/~Todd8/index.html if you want to see it. It came out of a pack from the Variety store across from Mary Snow Elementary School in Bangor, Maine. I took that card everywhere with me, neatly folded in my leather wallet with the cowboy embossed on the front (a present from my grandmother from Montana). Fortunately, my mom didn't throw away my cards, and when I got back into collecting cards in the early 90s, there it was neatly tucked into my red baseball card locker (we had a discussion about those a few months ago). It now rests comfortably with the 400 or so other Yaz cards in the Yaz binder, but my favorite nonetheless. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:11:42 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Upon further review, I have to agree with Doug and Kent. Those mean even more to me. ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:40:17 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hello Traderdoug@aol.com, In reference to your comment: You hit it right on the head. I wonder if we could find ZZBob Miller. I was charged with keeping his Bob Miller collection years ago and it was decided to keep it in tact for a return trip some day. I still have it in its original package. Now how cool would it be to locate him and hand him back his collection? ========Original Message======== Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card Date: 2/15/2003 12:16:43 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com My most sentinmental cards? Thats easy. It's the ones we sent to Kevin Lhose, that he and his son picked up while he was on the way to the hospital for tests. The joy those cards brought to a terminally ill man and his son is more valuable than any cards I will ever own. The cards we sold in an auction for Kevin's kids, the ones we sold in an auction when Bob Miller's house burned, and Josh's Magie all get an honorable mention. Those are the cards that define OBC for me. - Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xl05.mx.aol.com (rly-xl05.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.74]) by air-xl03.mail.aol.com (v90_r2.5) with ESMTP id MAILINXL32-0215121643; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:16:43 -0500 Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.83]) by rly-xl05.mx.aol.com (v90_r2.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXL52-0215121640; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:16:40 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Feb 2003 17:15:59 -0000 X-Sender: TraderDoug@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 15 Feb 2003 17:15:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 8242 invoked from network); 15 Feb 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Feb 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Feb 2003 17:15:57 -0000 Received: from TraderDoug@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.21.) id r.182.16f9ecf7 (4529) for ; Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:15:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <182.16f9ecf7.2b7fcfc9@aol.com> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10634 From: Traderdoug@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 12:15:53 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 16:12:11 -0500 To: Traderdoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card From: tply@aol.com I have to agree also! That was one very special weekend and week following when all the cards appeared to arrive at the exact same time! ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:06:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental card To: kwg0@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell ~ Bob --- kwg0@aol.com wrote: > Hi! All, > I must undoubtedly agree with Doug Smith with my > choice for my most > sentimental card. > Kent > Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your most sentimental > card  > Date: 2/15/2003 11:16:43 AM Central Standard Time > From: To: Sent from the Internet (Details) > My most sentinmental cards?  Thats easy.  It's the > ones we sent to Kevin > Lhose, that he and his son picked up while he was on > the way to the hospital > for tests.  The joy those cards brought to a > terminally ill man and his son > is more valuable than any cards I will ever own.  > The cards we sold in an > auction for Kevin's kids, the ones we sold in an > auction when Bob Miller's > house burned, and Josh's Magie all get an honorable > mention.  Those are the > cards that define OBC for me. - Doug Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 23:14:15 EST Subject: A Vegas Show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com A card show worth mentioning in Vegas today. I went to see old friend Dave Trimble of 50s -60s Cards. Dave had told me that he would bring down some old cards for me. Since I'm within 6 cards of finishing my 64 Topps I had high hope of doing some damage there. Unfortunately, I am still 6 away from finishing the 64 set. But on the plus side I'm now 6 away from finishing 59! Dave hit me with a ton of great stuff, including: 8 cards from 59 with the Mantle Hilite and AS, RCs of Gibson and Perry 6 from 62, with Mays, Aaron AS, 3 high numbers 10 high numbers from 66 A bunch of Post Cereal including a 63 Maris and the almost impossible to find Chuck Cottier and Willie Davis (they must have been on raisin bran). All in all a good day at the show. Rest well, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: sentimental card Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:29:11 -0600 From: "terry ellis" after much thought my most sentimental card is actually a starter set i recd in the hospital after my stroke last july. my wife showed up at the hospital with a box containing a 1962 starter set from kent goto. i sorted them out on the bed had my wife do a checklist at work and in 3 months or so it was done. thanks again kent. MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sentimental card Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:31:21 -0600 From: "terry ellis" obc the best theraphy >From: "terry ellis" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sentimental card >Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 22:29:11 -0600 >after much thought my most sentimental card is actually a starter set i >in the hospital after my stroke last july. my wife showed up at the >with a box containing a 1962 starter set from kent goto. i sorted them out >on the bed had my wife do a checklist at work and in 3 months or so it was >done. thanks again kent. >MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 15 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 00:16:42 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1953 Topps 14, 53, 95, 107, 108, 110, 124, 137, 145, 170, 177, 181, 195 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 12:28:55 EST Subject: Cards available To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com After my haul from the show yesterday, I discovered that my wantlist was a bit out of date and therefore have a few dupes: 59 T #390 Cepeda 62 T #63 Aspomonte 66T #390 Santo Don't be shy...fcfs Rest well, ================= Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 13:30:36 EST Subject: Re: Your most sentimental card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Without a doubt, hands down, no brainer, case closed, unquestionably, "my final answer" - Topps 1968 #50 Willie Mays. About Good condition, creased across the middle, acquired on or about April 10, 1968 from Jimmy "Dino" Donaruma at Highland Elementary School. I began collecting cards that month, beginning with the 3rd series (gave away many pack-fresh Mickey Mantles). For some reason 2nd series cards were very rare in my town, so I eventually bought the entire series - drop-dead mint condition - from Woody Gelman's Card Collectors Company for $2.85, postpaid, including Aaron, Ryan, and Clemente. (They don't seem to be part of my set today, though.) But the 1st series cards, also hard to come by, had a beautiful card of a majestic-looking Mays. Dino offered me the Mays card (which I didn't realize was creased, nor cared very much about that) in trade for 100 cards, probably including several Kalines, Mantles, Roses, Killebrews, and Yastrzemskis - I was not yet a prolific Red Sox fan nor a Yankee hater. That was a huge business deal to a fifth grader at the time. These days, Dino is a bartender in a local sports pub, and one evening I strolled in there and showed him the Mays card, protected in a screw-down Lucite holder. He actually remembered it, and was almost sorry to say that he failed to save any of the cards I traded him for it. I have been toying with the idea of getting it professionally graded by PSA, for the inevitable grade of 1 or 2, but it just looks great as is. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Willie hears ya. Willie doon't care." (Groundskeeper Willie, on The ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Your most sentimental card Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 11:01:12 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I have way too many to ever try to write about, but Wayne's Willie Mays story brought one of my favorite OBC cards to mind. I am currently trying to finish my 1966 set and only need a few high numbers, but since they seem to be taking forever, the binder is always out. Of course, the #1 card in that set, and therefore always looking at me when I open the binder, is Willie Mays. Now you would have to see this beauty to appreciate it, because it is a true beater. Back when I was relatively new, a bunch of the guys went down to Spring Training as an OBC get-together. Among green hats, hot dogs, and other things, one of the best stories was trying to bribe the parking lot guy to let them in for the Mays card. It was so bad, he said no way! I remember lauging as I read the story on Ramblings (it wasn't called Ramblings then, just a regular email). Anyway, about a week or two later, it showed up in my mailbox. It seems the guys felt like it would be a perfect way to start my 1966 set! I chuckle everytime I see that card... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2/16/2003 10:30:51 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Your most sentimental card Without a doubt, hands down, no brainer, case closed, unquestionably, "my final answer" - Topps 1968 #50 Willie Mays. About Good condition, creased across the middle, acquired on or about April 10, 1968 from Jimmy "Dino" Donaruma at Highland Elementary School. I began collecting cards that month, beginning with the 3rd series (gave away many pack-fresh Mickey Mantles). For some reason 2nd series cards were very rare in my town, so I eventually bought the entire series - drop-dead mint condition - from Woody Gelman's Card Collectors Company for $2.85, postpaid, including Aaron, Ryan, and Clemente. (They don't seem to be part of my set today, though.) But the 1st series cards, also hard to come by, had a beautiful card of a majestic-looking Mays. Dino offered me the Mays card (which I didn't realize was creased, nor cared very much about that) in trade for 100 cards, probably including several Kalines, Mantles, Roses, Killebrews, and Yastrzemskis - I was not yet a prolific Red Sox fan nor a Yankee hater. That was a huge business deal to a fifth grader at the time. These days, Dino is a bartender in a local sports pub, and one evening I strolled in there and showed him the Mays card, protected in a screw-down Lucite holder. He actually remembered it, and was almost sorry to say that he failed to save any of the cards I traded him for it. I have been toying with the idea of getting it professionally graded by PSA, for the inevitable grade of 1 or 2, but it just looks great as is. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Willie hears ya. Willie doon't care." (Groundskeeper Willie, on The Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 16 Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:47:52 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1975 Topps Reg. 2, 4, 223, 248, 280, 306, 309, 323, 315, 354, 370, 417, 420, 425, 494, 498, 518, 532, 558, 565, 628, 660x2 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Available Extra Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 14:51:38 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" Yesterday sent out big list of 1970 OPC this went to the OPCC server if anyof you are interested in a starter set or not get OPCC mail reply and I will take care of you. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: 16 Feb 2003 22:58:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My most sentimental card From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Mine is sitting on a bookshelf where I can always see it, a 52 Topps Joe Page error card that I've had since I bought it from David Datz in 1960 along with a cigar box of other early 50's cards. Most were 52 Topps, a few 53 Color bowmans, 54 Topps and 56 Topps. Most have since departed, the 52 Topps (black backs) to the OBC group, but I held on to Joe, Robin Roberts and one or two other 52's and the 54's and 56's made up the core of those sets I finished. The 54's about 10 years ago and the 56's at the last Atlanta National, with OBC guidance from TPLY himself. ================= Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:04:07 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '63 Post/Jell-O From: Dan Austin For those that might be interested I made up a little graphic to demonstrate the difference between a '63 Post and a '63 Jello. It can be found here: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/wantlist/63postjello.jpg Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: 16 Feb 2003 23:05:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thus far have received 23 completed ballots. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: availables Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:43:28 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1977 Topps Football: 376, 382, 399, 416, 418, 426, 431. 1975 Topps Football: 515, 506, 468, 258, 167, 141, 39, 9. 1980 Topps Football: 138, 155, 157, 189, 195, 226, 230, 246(unmarked) 273, 275, 323, 352, 359(unmarked), 365, 388, 389, 423. Classic yellow baseball: 116, 122, 125, 129, 130. 1975 Hostess baseball: 50, 73. 1971 Topps baseball: 434, 432, 91, 79, 463, 169, 346, 141, 147, 169, 238. Unopened Pax: 1987 Sportflic (4), x-files(1), 1989 bowman(1) 1981 donruss(1) Dessert Storm cards (send w/l) Thanks for being OBC !!!! Bob W.... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pain as Big as Texas Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:49:39 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I was drinking a few beers with the boys and we were talking about a band we used to watch back in Champaign. They were mainly blues, sounding a lot like the Fabulous Thuderbirds at times and John Lee Hooker at other times. Anyway, they played some countryish song that had the words "I got a pain as big as Texas, (blah blah blah) San Antone." I really wanted to try to find the song to hear it again, but an internet search turned up empty. Do any of you guys have any idea of the original band (I assume it's a cover) or the actual name of the song? Thanks! Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 09:04:54 EST Subject: Re: '63 Post/Jell-O To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Sun, 16 Feb 2003, Dan Austin writes: << For those that might be interested I made up a little graphic to demonstrate the difference between a '63 Post and a '63 Jello. It can be found here: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/wantlist/63postjello.jpg >> Thanks for pointing that out Dan. I checked my binder and found three Jello cards that I thought were Posts: Kaline, Aguirre, and Callison. Thanks, thanks a lot Anyone have a Post they want to trade for a Jello? LMK, Ken M -a couple baseball quotes: "Hi. This is Dan Roche reporting from spring training in Florida, where it's 76 degrees..." -channel 25 sports reporter from Red Sox camp "Jerk." - Ken Morganti, watching channel 25 while sitting on his couch in Everett, where the temperature last night was 5 below zero before the wind ================= Date: 17 Feb 2003 16:26:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Psycho Availables From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Just to break up the monotony of my stream of election emails, here's a few Psycho Hi #'s. As always FCFS. 72 Topps: 679 682 694 725 737 744 765 767 774 ================= Date: 17 Feb 2003 18:25:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pyscho hi's are all gone!! From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Everybody and their 4th cousin must need Psycho hi #'s. They are oficially taken. I'll get them out as soon as I can. Everybody who requested will get at least one. More availables later. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:49:11 -0500 (EST) To: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: '63 Post/Jell-O From: Originaleek@webtv.net That's why there is always room for Jello....... they are smaller. BTW, how did Jello know that Pete was traded to Pittsburg and Post didn't? The latter must have found out Post-facto? Then again the former may have been mol(e)d? What would you get if Post and Jello converged? Sugar Plops! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1974 - It was a very bad year.... Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:26:13 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Man, that 1974 set is a real stinker, isn't it? For some time now (since Lynn Miller "completed" the set for me in August 2002), the fact that I haven't done the Washington variations has been annoying the hell out of me. Tonight, I decided that in order to properly finish that set off, I need those cards. When I checked my binder, not only did I find that as well as 12 of the Washington cards, but I also need 3 of the San Diego variety! I'd left spaces in the binder for these cards fortunately - none of your fancy mathematics here!! However, while doing a quick double check on everything I noticed that I'd been paid a visit by the Card Fairy. Yep, the little bugger had snuck in and stolen a card from the '74 binder right from under my nose! So, here's my revised list for 1974. Please help me....... 1974T Wantlist - #177 Roberts Washington Variations: 32 Grubb, 53 Kendall, 102 Greif, 148 Hilton, 173 Jones, 197 Romo, 226 Washington Team, 241 Beckert, 250 McCovey, 364 Gaston, 387 Morales. San Diego versions: 77 Troedson, 309 Roberts, 599 Frieselben ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 17 Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:59:35 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1955 Topps 6, 13x2, 34, 45x2, 48, 52, 59, 61x2, 62, 66, 67, 68, 70, 76, 84,93, 104, 120, 126, 128x2, 129, 136, 138, 141, 142, 149, 159, 165, 168, 171, Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: Weekend in Evansville Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:30:01 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" Friday night we left right after work to the local 4-h center for the Night of Memories, an annual event that brings in local sports stars and other stars for a live auction, a silent auction and drawings for all kinds ofsports memorabilia. All the proceeds go to local sports programs and donated item to be put up for auction are many. Several of the stars got onstagefor a discussion and several also gave autographs before the aution started. We got there at 4:00 PM to get a few autographs of Yogi Berra, Don Mattingly, Bob Griese, Johhny Latner (Heisman trophy winner from Notre Dame), Brad Wilkerson and several local minor league baseball players. The line forautographs was huge and trailed through the parking lot. It was cold and drizzling. After 50 minutes of waiting, we finally got to the front door, only to receive the message that Yogi was done signing. (It was later revealed that he had signed over 750 items that day.) I had 3 baseball and a couple of cards to get signed for different people, including my boys. Two of the balls were for Yogi to sign for my son, Wade and for Ray Luurs. I stuck Ray's ball in my bag and took Wade's to Mattingly's line. I also had a ball for Mattingly to sign for Rob Gioia and a couple of cards for him to sign. My buddy. Jim had a ball. He also had a photo of Yogi that he wanted to getsigned for his brother's birthday present. I got to Mattingly's table and he was pretty nice, asked how we were and signed my first ball. He picked up the second and then the lights went out. Pitch black. Mattingly made a couple of cracks to Yogi, one table over and then people started lighting cigarette lighters, cell phone lights pocket flashlights, etc. Jim held his lighter over Mattingly while an assistant held his cell phone near enough so Don could sign the other ball. Then, a local TV camera guy brought his camera over and shown the light on it over the whole scene. I got my cards signed and Jim got his ball signed then I went over to Greise's table and got a card signed. I gave Jim my digital camera to get some shots but only one pic of Mattingly came out the rest were shots of the floor, ceiling, some guys back and I don't know what. Just as we walked away from the tables they announced that Yogi would sign some more since no one knew when the lights were coming back on and therest of the night might not take place. One item each was all that was allowed. We ran over and bought two signing tickets and ran back to Yogi's table. The lights came back on. Yogi signed our stuff, quit signing and then the auctions started. Bob Greise brought 2 Super Bowl tickets, 40 yard line, that went for $4,000. There was a Yogi rookie card that went for $600 or so, tons of Mattingly card collections, dozens and dozens of signed balls and bats by Ripken, Yount, Erksine, Ozzie, Flood, Slaughter, Bench, Rose and many more. Therewas a signed glove from Clemens, basketballs signed by Bird and John Wooden and a signed football by Staubach. Nascar stuff and many, many signed posters and framed pictures. I bought a $10 pull on a framed picture of Bagwell, Biggio and Berkman that was brought by Harry Spillman and signed by all three of the killer bees. I won it too! I also spent about $30 on other drawings and didn't win a thing but I was happy with what I did win. I gave itto Wade in place of the Yogi ball that turned into a Mattingly ball and heloved In the middle of the auction the stars all got onstage and joked and carried on. Yogi told a couple of stories I'd heard before but they were coolanyway. Mattingly told the three midgets and the Guiness Book of Records joke, using his brother Randy as the butt (Randy played in the Canadian Football League for a couple of years for you trivia buffs) All in all it was an ok time. Sunday wasn't. When some of you guys get 3 or 4" of snow, it's no big deal. In Evansville it is because we don't get a lot of snow and aren't as equipped as we could be for it. BUT, we didn't get 3" of snow. We got 3 to 4" of SLEET. All day long on Sunday, little balls of ice piled up and made our life terrible. the guys that get out and drive through that 3" of snow without problems had plenty of problems when they discovered sleet doesn't act like snow. The city snow plows just gave up and went back to the garage until Monday when it started to melt a little. After pushing and digging various cars Sunday and Monday I was dog tired. Still am. Can't wait for spring. New mowed grass and the crack of the bat. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:38:17 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville To: yazmon@sigecom.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 2/18/2003 12:34:08 AM Eastern Standard Time From: yazmon@sigecom.net (Greg Conway) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: From: "Greg Conway" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:30:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 - It was a very bad year.... Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 09:17:16 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" -----Original Message----- From: AMCOOK93@aol.com [mailto:AMCOOK93@aol.com] Sent: 18 February 2003 00:30 To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 - It was a very bad year.... In a message dated 2/17/2003 7:26:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, glenn.codere@ntlworld.com writes: San Diego versions: 77 Troedson, 309 Roberts, 599 Frieselben Should we tell Glenn that #599 Frieslben has two different versions of the San Diego card -- large and small print. In the immortal words of Mr. Charlie Brown, "AAARRRGGGHHHH!!!" ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: The Card Fairy has been at work again... Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:10:39 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" After sending out my Thanks message today, I dutifully began to tuck the cards that I'd received into their correct spaces in their new home. One of the cards I'd asked Al for was a '62 #563 (Ken Aspromonte). On arrival at space #563, I was stunned to find that it was already filled....by Ken Aspromonte....(the card, not the person). It looks like the Card Fairy took my 1974 #177 Dave Roberts and turned it into a '62 #563. The upshot of all this is that I have an SCP that needs to be re-distributed. Who needs Ken Aspromonte? FCFS! Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to write a note to someone: Dear Mr. Card Fairy, I note with interest that you took it upon yourself to transform one of my 1974 commons into a 1962 high number. I just wanted to let you know that if this is something you enjoy doing, I have many, many boxes of cards from the late 1980s that you can transform to your heart's content. You'll find them on the shelves in the back bedroom. Knock yourself out! Your friend, ================= To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" , yazmon@sigecom.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:41:56 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" To: yazmon@sigecom.net;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville Date: 2/18/2003 12:34:08 AM Eastern Standard Time From: yazmon@sigecom.net (Greg Conway) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: From: "Greg Conway" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:30:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1962 Aspromonte Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:54:46 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" The '62 Aspromonte that I offered up this morning has been claimed by Matt Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:58:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville To: illini90@earthlink.net, ChicoD1@aol.com, yazmon@sigecom.net, From: hoot-owl@comcast.net From: "Geno Wagner" To: ; ; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:16:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville To: hoot-owl@comcast.net, illini90@earthlink.net, ChicoD1@aol.com, From: Wite3@aol.com yeah...weather here sucked last week...rained for two days and then managed to drop down into the 70s. I wanted to go swimming yesterday but 72 degrees is just too cold. Settled for going to the batting cages and bbqing a chicken. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Update: News and long overdue thanks Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:26:59 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net I have been informed that my "mystery" package was from Kit Okamuro . Thanks to Kit for the cards. ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:25:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: TCMA info needed From: "mikesportsfan " I have recently picked up a few more 1977-1981 Renanta Galasso TCMA cards. There were a few things that surprised me. The big annual 2000 SCD is the guide book I use to ID cards. It says that 45 cards were issued per year 1977-1981. It lists card #1-225. I have a number of the "2nd" series #46-90 with the copyright crossed out. From what I can tell they say 1979, not 1978. Likewise my 3rd series #91-135 say 1980, not 1979. I do not have any 4th series. I have a #104 Vance with a 1980 copyright and NO Renana Galasso stamp on the bottom half of the back. It is blank. I already had a #104 with the Renata Galasso stamp on back. Is this a variation or another series? I also have a #200 Gehringer that has a copyright line of: RGI 1983 5th Series and a #267 Crawford copyright: Renata Galasso, Inc. 1984 6th series. So even if they "skipped" 1978 and the set should be 1977; 1979-1982 the #200 Gehringer should be 1982, not 1983 and if they continued the issue at 45 per year, #267 Crawford should be 1983, not 1984. So taking a guess I would say they skipped 1978 and 1982 and even though the 2000 guide does not list any numbers above 225, I will assume they issued a 6th series #226-270 in 1984. I have seen these advertised as 1977-1981 so if my guess is right, people need to re- name this set. I have listed the one I need on my "other" link in the OBC site. Anyone have any knowledge to help stragihten me out or confirm my Mike Rich ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: "Indian Bob" Johnson Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:03:26 -0800 From: "John Collins" Does anybody have any additional information on "Indian Bob" Johnson who played mainly with the Athletics and later the Senators and Red Sox in the '30s and '40s? I am slowly adding to my '41 Play Ball collection by buying the occasional not-ridiculously-overpriced common card here and there on ebay. "Indian Bob" showed up in my mailbox today from an ebay seller in L.A. After liberating him from his PSA slab (a horribly undergraded 2) I began to do some research on old Bob. His baseball-reference.com page shows a career batting average of .296 over13 seasons, during which Bob amassed 288 home runs. He had single seasonbatting average highs of .338 in '39 with Philadelphia, and .324 with the '44 Red Sox when most of the younger ballplayers were off fighting WWII. Even more impressive, Bob played on 8 All-Star teams during a 10 year span from '35-'45. I'm not sure how the baseball-reference site calculates their statistics that can be found for "likely Hall of Famers," but Bob scores very close to or above the mark in each of their categories. Veterans Committee anyone? Okay, I know it would have been a lot more impressive had he been a great middle infielder with those stats (he played mostly outfield and a couple of games per year at 1st or 2nd) but it seems to me that Indian Bob is an overlooked player at any rate, considering the fact that I had never heard of him before. I'll chalk this one up to my vintage baseball history lesson for the day... ================= To: illini90@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:50:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville From: Bob Saxton How do you mow sand and cactus? On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 05:41:56 -0800 "Geno Wagner" > I just thought I'd mention that out here in the Mojave desert, I had > to mow > my lawn yesterday... > Take Care, Geno Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:38:23 EST Subject: Who Am I? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com While snowbound yesterday, I found a couple of T-cards that have the names removed. Any help in identifying them would be appreciated. Here's the Who Am I? Many thanks in advance! ================= To: , , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekend in Evansville Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:20:33 -0500 From: "galtemos" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: genos lawn Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 18:31:25 -0600 From: "terry ellis" i too had my lawn mowed. except physically i cant so i instucted my my how, while my kids knocked down the cactus with their quads. kit okamuro The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Juanderful!! Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 17:49:32 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- Gary Mandell hits my birth year set with a 1967 Juan Marichal! What a great looking set and a great looking card, especially since it sports a nose-bleed number like 500 - thanks a bunch, Gary! Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= To: Subject: Super Bowl winners Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:29:52 -0500 From: "joseph sweet" Things have been pretty hectic in m part of the town for the last few weeks, and I missed the winners of the Super Bowl contest. Can someone provide me with the names. Thanks, Joseph Sweet 36 Bean Farm Dr. Kingston, RI 02881 (401) 783-2679 ================= Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:20:30 EST Subject: Terry Woods To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I talked to Poobah tonight. Some of you know he was just laid off. Well today he bought an accounting practice and is back to work. He can be reached at: 7013 Regal Rd. McKinney, TX 75070 Home phone: 972-548-8822 -- Doug ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 18 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:03:48 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1969 Topps 7x2, 12, 13, 14, 17x2, 19x2, 23, 29x2, 34x2, 37x2, 38, 40, 42x2,44, 48x3, 51, 53x2, 56, 61x3, 62x2, 64, 65x2, 75, 78, 79x2, 83, 86x2, 87, 89x2, 93x2, 94x2, 96x3, 103x2, 107, 108x3, 109x4, 111, 113x2, 114, 126, 128, 132, 135x2, 147, 156, 161, 177, 192, 205x5, 209x4, 215, 219x2, 230x3, 238, 253, 261, 264, 285, 301, 314x2, 320, 322, 323, 329, 330, 332, 333, 337x2,338, 339, 340x2, 341, 344x2, 346x2, 347, 348x3, 350, 352x3, 353, 354, 356,357x2, 361x2, 363, 365, 366, 368, 369, 370, 373, 377, 378x2, 379, 383, 385, 386x4, 387, 388x3, 389, 392, 394, 400, 401x2, 403, 409, 413x2, 414, 415, 439, 444, 449, 451x4, 457, 458x2, 463, 469, 471, 474x2, 481, 482x2, 483x3, 489, 493, 494, 502, 505, 507, 514, 645, Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Big Time Trading? Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:04:10 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm trying to concentrate my collection on T206's and a few other pre-war cards. As cash is a little tight now, I think the best (and funnest) way to do that is through trading. So, I'm putting some of my non-dups on the trading block for my big wants. MY WANTS 1 1933 Goudey Ruth #149 2 1933 Goudey Gehrig #92 3 T206's from my wantlist 4 1941 PB Joe/Vince DiMaggio, Pee Wee Reese 5 Diamond Stars from my wantlist 6 1939 Playballs from my wantlist MY AVAILABLES What I have to offer are; Bowman avialables 1950 (about 150 cards),51 (100),52(50),53 (50),55 Bowman (200+), Many stars in all years some pre-War including a few Playballs, Caramels, some 1910 Tip Top Pittsburg Pirates, 1935-36 Goudeys 56 Topps E Howard, H Aaron I also have some T206 dups I also have some bigger cards that I probably wouldn't trade unless it was for one of the 33 goudeys or a big name T206. Most of these are in nice 1950 Bowman T. Williams, J Robinson 1957 Topps T. Williams 1953 Paige, J Robinson 1955 Topps J Robinson, T. Williams 1959 Clemente, Musial 1958, 60, 62 Clemente Nice W515? Babe Ruth Let me know if you are interested ================= To: Subject: Green Tints Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:08:01 -0500 From: "toppsrun368" So I've begun to collect these. Alright I say to myself, they are a bit more difficult to obtain, but they shouldn't be hard to identify. Well I have two cards here that I have questions about. If what the SCD says is correct, the green tints exist from #110-196. I have 2 cards here of Sam Jones, #96. The background is the same shade of green as some of the definite green tints I have received already. Is this just the way it was printed? When I got the first copy of the card, I took it for a green tint without checking the number. I got another copy today, roughly the same color. I went to add it to my green tints list, but noticed that it fell outside the second Any confirmation that it was just the way it was printed and not a tint? Iknew listening to Grant's "encouragement" would be a risk.... ;) ================= Date: 19 Feb 2003 23:49:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thus far I've received a total of 37 ballots for the new OBCAC, still a ways from last years total of close to 60. Come on guys and gals, get those ballots in. If you don't have a slate of candidates, let me know and I'll be happy to send one. ================= To: "John Collins" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Indian Bob" Johnson Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:39:52 -0500 From: "jeff sinclair" John, you may want to read the book "Bright Star in a Shadowy Sky", the story of Indian Bob by Patrick and Terence McGrath. Bob spent thirteen years in the American League and his brother, Roy spent time with Detroit. I have the book but haven't gotten around to reading it yet although I did "skim" it. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:06 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] "Indian Bob" Johnson Does anybody have any additional information on "Indian Bob" Johnson who played mainly with the Athletics and later the Senators and Red Sox in the '30s and '40s? I am slowly adding to my '41 Play Ball collection by buying the occasional not-ridiculously-overpriced common card here and there on ebay. "Indian Bob" showed up in my mailbox today from an ebay seller in L.A. After liberating him from his PSA slab (a horribly undergraded 2) I began to do some research on old Bob. His baseball-reference.com page shows a career batting average of .296 over13 seasons, during which Bob amassed 288 home runs. He had single seasonbatting average highs of .338 in '39 with Philadelphia, and .324 with the '44 Red Sox when most of the younger ballplayers were off fighting WWII. Even more impressive, Bob played on 8 All-Star teams during a 10 year span from '35-'45. I'm not sure how the baseball-reference site calculates their statistics that can be found for "likely Hall of Famers," but Bob scores very close to or above the mark in each of their categories. Veterans Committee anyone? Okay, I know it would have been a lot more impressive had he been a great middle infielder with those stats (he played mostly outfield and a couple of games per year at 1st or 2nd) but it seems to me that Indian Bob is an overlooked player at any rate, considering the fact that I had never heard of him before. I'll chalk this one up to my vintage baseball history lesson for the day... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:22:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Big lot of OBC quality 40s 50s stars To: obc ramblings From: Matthew There are some great cards in here, but the price is too rich for me. (The bid's around 10% as a rough guess.) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2711405787 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:32:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1951 Bowman stars lot To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Opening bid at less than 10% for star and high number 1951 Bowmans. (Berra, Hodges, and more.) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=636&item=2710928320&rd=1 Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 19 Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:48:41 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1954 Bowman 5, 77, 78, 86, 97, 127, 130, 188, 212, 216x2, 217 1952 Topps 71(really trimmed), 87(trimmed), 95(trimmed), 110, 123, 139, 163, 165(really trimmed), 172, 208, 224 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Green Tints Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:34:48 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Just throw them away or mail them to Canada. Surely a bright young fellow like yourself doesn't need a constant headachepounding behind your eyes. That's what these green tints will do to you. The woodies are my real birthyear set, but I wanted to lie on my birth certificate so that I could collect a set that would keep my sanity in check.... Wait till you go looking for Hal Reniff's 6 card variations and Ruth with/without a pole...and then there's the rookie parade cards where dumb Bob Uecker costs more than a T206 Hall of Famer. Of course, I embellished the sanity check part...it's a bit late in the game to be blaming the 62's for my troubles... Just throw them away or mail them to Canada. The other Brian. ----- Original Message ----- From: toppsrun368 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Green Tints So I've begun to collect these. Alright I say to myself, they are a bit more difficult to obtain, but they shouldn't be hard to identify. Well I have two cards here that I have questions about. If what the SCD says is correct, the green tints exist from #110-196. I have 2 cards here of Sam Jones, #96. The background is the same shade of green as some of the definitegreen tints I have received already. Is this just the way it was printed?When I got the first copy of the card, I took it for a green tint without checking the number. I got another copy today, roughly the same color. I went to add it to my green tints list, but noticed that it fell outside thesecond Any confirmation that it was just the way it was printed and not a tint? I knew listening to Grant's "encouragement" would be a risk.... ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:21:19 EST Subject: Encouragement to vote... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I just wanted to encourage you to take the time to vote for the OBC Advisory Committee. I know that we all have a lot of stuff on our slates, but a bunch of folks have given us the courtesy of volunteering for the election and I think that we owe it to them to at least vote. Having been on the committee before, I know that there is quite a bit of work, a lot of thought, and a whole lot of caring that goes on behind the scenes. The advisory committee was originally formed so that we could avoid lengthy server debates about day-to-day issues such as limiting the number of members in the group, how/where/when wantlists were to be posted, and other day-to-day decisions that are often taken for granted or overlooked when you *don't* have to be involved in them. The advisory committee is a tremendous addition and has made this group much more solid and enjoyable. Please vote! ================= To: Subject: Ist series green tints? Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 17:26:55 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Dear Brian et al, The second series has green tinted cards AND slight cropping differences oneach card. I think the first series has some noticeable enough color differences to say there were "green tints" with fuzzy printing as well but withno cropping differences. I have a few samples of what you ran across as tofirst series "green tints." Another variation collector brought them to myattention and sent me a few. Somebody needs to compare a number of duplicate first series cards to judge whether the differences are noticeable and consistent enough to be a "variation." George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:58:27 EST Subject: One of a kind To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Here's a story some of you may find interesting. A while back, my wife's brother converted to orthodox Judaism. His son turned 13, so this past weekend I had to attend a three day bar mitzvah. The highlight of the bar mitzvah was the first ever Kosher event at Dodger Stadium. Entrance to the stadium required a Dodger ticket. The party began with cocktails upstairs in a private room overlooking the field. Afterwards, the party moved into a field level party room, where we were allowed to go around the park. By the way, good news for Dodger fans... you're getting new seats. In the same room where we dined, the walls were lined with some memorabilia, including Koufax's mitt from his second no-hitter. Yarmulkes (sp?) that resembled baseballs were handed out. The Dodger Peanut Man, seen on Leno and even way back on Carson, gave a show. Coming from New York, my table had the Yankee designation. The Arizona contingent, the Diamondbacks etc. All in all, kinda surreal. One second you're in a religious world where the men dance with men and the women dance with women, the next moment you're in the secular world, grabbing a hotdog while following the Peanut Man out behind home plate. I think what I liked most about the event is that it reminded me that, despite the blizzard we just had in the East, spring training has arrived! Play ball. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 04:12:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: More info needed From: "mikesportsfan " A package today from Sassy confirms something I guessed. My big annual 2000 SCD does not contain all the information on Baseball's All-Time Greats set. The SCD says it is a set of 100 issued in 2 50 card series and that the cards have green borders. i have an unopened pack of 50 cards, with Mantle and Mays showing on the front. It is labelled at the top as No. 7090. The players are listed on the back in alphabetical order. In addition, I have 7 other green borders listed in the set. Confusion comes in, in that I have 4 orange bordered cards. A Cobb, Gehrig, Ruth and Cy Young. Cy Young is NOT listed in the green bordered set. Additionally the green border Cobb, says his playing years were 1905-1928, the orange border lists them as 1905-1927. The pictures are also different. Additionally, I have 2 green border Mantles, with different pictures. I have a lot of "Series 1" dupes to swap for "series 2", but I also would like any info on the above issues. Mike Rich ================= To: "George Vrechek" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ist series green tints? (and also a note on Post BB cards) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:16:59 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" No Sir, this time, I’m not gonna let them jack me up over the woodies. Not a chance. No Siree Bob. I’m not even going to answer them. But while I’m here….for a while I carried 3 cards from the first Series with me to card shows, because I wasn’t sure if they were “tints” or just lousy color. For those keeping score, the cards were 29 Stengel, 78 Green, and 92 Jones. All three looked like they could have been tints. However, I am happy to report that after comparing them to dozens (I never kept count) of others that I have looked at, I could not see any difference whatsoever, except for perhaps the slightest difference in shade, and no cropping differences at all. Certainly no pose variations. Not enough difference to rate looking for more, or pretending that there are more variations that I might have to deal On to Post BB cards- just got an email the other day from a chap named Dan Mabey, who is completely obsessed with Post issues. I relate to this guy, in some ways. He is about to send a book he has written in for printing, detailing the many variations in those sets, and including pictures it will be some 200 pages. Unfortunately I have deleted his email, but off the top of my head of the “400” cards Post issued in the U.S. in ’61 and ’62 he has listed somewhere around 550 or so. Someone else in OBC may be on his mailing list and can correct me here. And he hasn’t even really touched Post Canadian issues yet, but they are on his list, FB included. This of course, will drive me wild. Dear Brian et al, The second series has green tinted cards AND slight cropping differences on each card. I think the first series has some noticeable enough color differences to say there were "green tints" with fuzzy printing as well but with no cropping differences. I have a few samples of what you ran across as to first series "green tints." Another variation collector brought them to my attention and sent me a few. Somebody needs to compare a number of duplicate first series cards to judge whether the differences are noticeable and consistent enough to be a "variation." George Vrechek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 20 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 20:18:41 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1961 Topps 4, 5, 7, 13, 16x2, 17x3, 24, 39, 51, 56, 60x3, 64, 78, 83, 87, 105, 227, 241, 242, 246, 248, 249, 251, 253, 256, 257, 258, 259, 261, 263, 264, 266, 267, 268, 270, 272, 273, 274, 277, 285, 293, 297, 298, 299, 448 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Green Tints Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 00:57:25 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" Brian, run quickly, and do not think about those cards ever again. You are too young to get the fever. It will ruin you, you will stay up nights looking at cards, asking is that a tint. The set drives you crazy, money has no meaning, you must buy everyone you even think you see. Once you are hooked,you started by just doing the variations, but it doesn't end there. You have to have the Rookies and then the "Wood" has you. There is no cure. Grantused to be a normal, hard working policeman. Now he is a broken down has been with an evil streak trying get others to join his cult. Resist the feeling, and never work on those cards again. Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: toppsrun368 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 3:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Green Tints So I've begun to collect these. Alright I say to myself, they are a bit more difficult to obtain, but they shouldn't be hard to identify. Well I have two cards here that I have questions about. If what the SCD says is correct, the green tints exist from #110-196. I have 2 cards here of Sam Jones, #96. The background is the same shade of green as some of the definitegreen tints I have received already. Is this just the way it was printed?When I got the first copy of the card, I took it for a green tint without checking the number. I got another copy today, roughly the same color. I went to add it to my green tints list, but noticed that it fell outside thesecond Any confirmation that it was just the way it was printed and not a tint? I knew listening to Grant's "encouragement" would be a risk.... ;) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:21:56 EST Subject: "Real Old Cards" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... Had to share this with you. On Sunday, I went to Toys R Us. As is my usual habit, I went over and looked through their Hot Wheels (yet another hobby) and looked at their card area. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:22:17 EST Subject: Whammy To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Here's a card question for trivia buffs. Why is the Topps 1959 Whammy Douglas card a picture instead of a photo? Also, does anybody know why there is yellow on the bottom of the card? I've seen two copies of the card, one has yellow on the lower right, the other the lower left. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:31:40 EST Subject: Argh... I hate the "Enter" key... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com I hate it when that happens... Anyway, as I was saying, I was over looking in their card section and came across a repack item by the FairField Company. The front of the outside read: "REAL OLD CARDS" and at first I figured that they must be repacks of '88, '89, and '90 overproduced junk. When I looked closer, though, they were wanting $9.99 for them, so I picked 'em up to take a closer look. On the back, it read: "So, mom threw out your old baseball cards? Well, we found some of them! This pack will transport you back to a time when collecting was more fun, when your favorite player was in the same uniform year after year, and the smell of grilled hot dogs and mustard filled the air at the ball park. There are 15 baseball ards in every pack, every one at least 20 years old including 1 from the 1950's, 3 from the 1960's and 6 from the 1970's. At least one of these cards will be a Hall of Famer. Some of the Hall of Famers you may find in this pack are:" And then they provided a long list of all of the more well known Hall of Famers. Back on the front, the smaller print noted that all cards were in a minimum of Very Good to Excellent condition. If my pocketbook had been deeper or the price a little lower, I think I may have popped for one just out of intrigue. If anyone *does* get one of these, I'd be curious to know if the guys who write fantastic copy like that on the back are producing a legitimate product or if it's just another shell game. Anyway, it made the trip to TRU more enjoyable. Take care and have a great weekend... ================= Date: 21 Feb 2003 23:14:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thus far 48 ballots have been cast for the new OBCAC. That's less than 1/3 of our membership. In case you've lost yours, I'm including the slate of candidates. Please VOTE!! For Facilitator, select for only one candidate. For Voting Member, select up to 8 candidates. I will announce the results immediately after the election ends. In the event of a tie for facilitator and/or for the last Voting Member position, a one week runoff election will be held immediately after the current election. Send all completed ballots to me at obcjohn@knology.net. I will not publish the vote totals, in keeping with past election practices, but will be happy to furnish full vote counts to anyone who requests them. By the way, I do not cast a vote. Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Kent Goto Voting Member: Kent Goto Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Howard Morgan John McLaughlin Deadline for ballots is 12 noon, PST, Mar 1. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 00:01:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Strange Question, but maybe .... From: "RRFARRELL " Perhaps some of you old timers can help me. Al's giveaway in honor of his 10 years as a member got me to thinking about how long I have been a member. I can't really remember myself other than to say quite a few years. I think I might have been around when Al became a member 10 years ago ? Can anyone help my failing memory ? Bob Farrell ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:33:51 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Election Update From: Dan Austin Maybe voting in OBC elections should be a requirement for OBC membership...? At 06:14 PM 2/21/03, you wrote: >Thus far 48 ballots have been cast for the new OBCAC. That's less than >1/3 of our membership. In case you've lost yours, I'm including the slate >of candidates. Please VOTE!! ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:46:37 -0500 (EST) To: dan@iamdanaustin.com (Dan Austin) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Election Update From: Originaleek@webtv.net For me it is a requirement, albeit not written in by-laws or a membership agreement. As a relatively new member, it's hard for me to understand not voting. OBC offers so much and requires so little of it's members. Heck, you don't even have to pay dues if you request a bye. Voting is the least we can do. My mills worth! We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Election Update Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:11:03 -0500 From: "toppsrun368" This is the only place I am allowed to vote! Cast my ballot the other day; good luck to all. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dan Austin" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Election Update > Dan, > For me it is a requirement, albeit not written in by-laws or a > membership agreement. As a relatively new member, it's hard for me to > understand not voting. > OBC offers so much and requires so little of it's members. Heck, you > don't even have to pay dues if you request a bye. Voting is the least we > can do. My mills worth! > We keep what we give away! > EEK > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 23:42:51 EST Subject: I'm full... To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, After eating many, many boxes of cereal, I have the following Post cards up for grabs. Grab a spoon and your wantlist: 1961 Post: 15 17 39 46 67 98 98 99 119 120 120 120 137 140 151 152 161 177 1962 Post: 8 27 41 42 48 59 76 76 84 93 94 96 102 104 106 115 118 136 162 162 166 170 181 197 1963 Post: 3 40 40 65 69 76 93 127 175 175 Condition ranges from VG on down to "Keep the scissors away from him!" - plenty of extraneous writing on some at no additional charge. LMK, Ken M ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 21 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 22:41:02 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1974 Topps 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 325, 327, 328, 329, 331,335, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 447 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: "Whammy" Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 06:50:06 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" 1959 Topps #431 my card doesn't have any yellow ink on the lower right or left? ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:55:55 +0800 To: "larry.tipton" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Whammy" From: Lynn Miller Uh, Oh! I can see it coming. I'm not even going to look :>) Lynn larry.tipton wrote: > 1959 Topps #431 my card doesn't have any yellow ink on the lower right > or left? > Guru ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:52:23 EST Subject: Drive down memory lane To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 2/22/03 5:35:20 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Perhaps some of you old timers can help me. Al's giveaway in honor of his 10 years as a member got me to thinking about how long I have been a member. I can't really remember myself other than to say quite a few years. I think I might have been around when Al became a member 10 years ago ? Can anyone help my failing memory ? >> Can't help you other than to say you've been around longer than I have. (I still have the e-mail on my old computer from xgux welcoming me and Dave Hampshire to the group, which now totaled 68 members - it was dated June 21, 1996) I dug up an e-mail I sent back in 1996 and came up with the following names that I copied it to. I crossed off a couple I think started after I did and shortened all but the two Prodigy addresses... the rest might jog up a memory or two for some of you... alcattle, bdwg, binghmton4, bzzmill, chackman, chahta, chicod1, cihii, coachjph, curtisea, dcbbl, dftn, dsh46, eagle68, friar4, ghart, ghay1, glk, gocubs69, hmorgan707, ilni, jceru8600, jedward, jmmnt, johnajax, jose88, kal4u2, kiln116, klohse, kwg0, len124, mafer, malsman, mattr613, mczape, msrangers, nbfv69a@prodigy.com, ntul23a@prodigy.com, playball33, psps4, rdn56, redsox3, rfarr19, rkeating, rmperry, scoops4, sicx, tigersgam, todd8, topgolf, tply, traderdoug, txpoobah, wite3, wmarvin, xb18, xblx, xbwx, xcip, xddx, xdrj, xgkx, xgux, xndx, xtrjmx, zxrm Bob's message got me digging deeper on my hard drive. I also came up with what I think is the first wantlist I sent out to OBC (7/10/96) - I won't copy it here, since it is LONG! Hard to believe that less than 7 years ago, my collection had: ZERO Bowman cards, NONE from the old Fleer sets, NOTHING made by Leaf Gum, NO wantlists for Topps 1951-1954, 1957, 1958, or 1969... and not one card from any basketball, football, or hockey set. Since then, I've started all these sets (and finished all but 48/49 Leaf in baseball, plus almost everything in the other three sports going back to my birth year). WHEW! No wonder I'm so tired :-) Aug. 1996 - an e-mail from Sal with his idea of sending Kevin Lohse a single card from every person (in addition to the 1975 set we put together for him over a weekend) with the idea that the card or the person on the card made us feel good along with a story about why. Hopefully it would help our sick friend feel better as well... and it did - the healing power of cardboard! I saw an e-mail from Scoops with directions to his house, so I could meet up with him for my first Ft. Washington show ever... Sept. 1996. I got to meet up with Kevin at that show. We drew names for the winners of his Stan Hack/Ty Cobb contest. All the entrants wrote an essay on "The Meaning of Cardboard". I can't let Geno forget he drew his own name Jan. '97 - an e-mail from UnkPhil detailing his card collecting roots growing up in Wisconsin. Got to meet up with him and share a room in Vegas a couple months later - my first trip out there and the last time I've seen him... "Where's Phil?" Aug. '97 - Guru's condition guide, copied for your viewing pleasure: Guru Condition Guide Category: Ramblings From: guru@dockingbay.com Date: 16 Aug 1997 Time: 15:20:00 Guru Grading In an effort to standardize OBC grading procedures, I have been asked to post my Condition Guide. Dealers are hereby warned that reading any further is likely to cause stomach pains. Mint(MT): The front of a Mint baseball card will include most of the original paper. Normal "in the shirt pocket" creases are allowed, as are thumb tack and staple holes. You should also be able to read most on the back of the card. The only writing allowed on a Mint baseball card is scratching off the old team name and inking in the new team. I have received numerous e-mails asking about "gloss" and "centering". Since I do not know what these are I cannot comment on it. Any Mickey Mantle card grades Mint. Early 1900 tobacco cards can never grade lower than Mint. Near Mint(NM): A Near Mint baseball card will at first appear to be perfect, but upon closer inspection some minor flaws may be discovered. For example, your favorite Milwaukee Braves pitcher is Joe Jay, but you can never pull a Joe Jay from a pack. You have seven cards of Braves pitcher Don McMahon, so you carefully cross out Don McMahons name and replace it with Joe Jay. It goes without saying in this example you would also have to thicken up Don McMahons eyebrows a little too. When examined closely, staple holes may actually be nail holes which would downgrade a Mint card to NM. Excellent(EX): An excellent condition baseball card should have at least three corners. Hole punched cards and cards with BB holes will normally not grade above EX. Any kind of writing is allowed on cards in excellent condition. Added nasal hair, arrows through the players head, black eyes, and blacked out teeth are certainly allowed. I have a 1958 Topps #5 Willie Mays with a penciled in goatee, blacked out teeth, and a large chip out of Willies left nostril. When the dealer told me he would take five dollars for the card I replied "Excellent Dealer Dude!" Bicycle spoke creases are allowed on EX cards, and any stain from any source are allowed on EX condition cards. To read my award winning dissertation entitled "Baseball Cards and Stains Accomplished By Ten Year Olds" click (http://www.tenyearold.stain/ballcards.htm). ANY BROOKLYN DODGER CARD CAN NEVER GRADE BELOW EXCELLENT! Very Good(VG): If less than 10% of the card has been burned up, this would classify as a VG card. Cards that have been cut in two and taped back together normally grade VG. EXCEPTION: 1941 Double Play Cards that have been cut in two. If both sides have been taped, stapled, or glued back together, these normally grade NM. If only half of the card remains, it grades VG. Remember your least favorite card when you were a kid? Somebody like Frank Zupo? You take your Frank Zupo card and lay it down face first in the street and then get on your bike and get going real fast. Just before your rear tire runs over your Frank Zupo, hit the brakes! You could drag that Frank Zupo card ten feet if you timed it right! Mouse damaged cards normally grade VG, however, cat damaged cards (if you know what I mean) normally grade a lot lower than VG. Good(G): Good condition cards can be bent, cut, hole punched, taped, stapled, wrote on, eraser damaged, torn, ripped, scuffed, stained, creased, chipped, chewed, and glued. VG cards could have been used for target practice, dunked in the toilet, set on fire and dropped from your upstairs bedroom, used to mix model airplane paint, and definitely thrown at your sister. No matter WHAT a card looks like, if you need it for your collection, it looks GOOD to Continuing on the timeline... Dec. 98 - OBC auction to help out the Wolpmann's by getting a new chairlift for their van. A welcome Christmas gift for their two kids to be sure. June 2000 - Lynn Miller announces he is forced to leave the group and a small consipracy results in one memorable sendoff. Fortunately for all of us, Lynn is able to rejoin us a couple years later. I also got a few old e-mails buried on here somewhere with nice thank you notes, some sad farewells, and a couple from Mike Kinney and Bill List mourning the tragic passing of their kids... things that still choke me up. I wasn't around to join in some of the first projects the group worked on, such as ZZBob's computer and the autographed baseball project for Ryan Tewell (<-SP?) It's been almost seven years for me on this roller coaster. Where has the time gone? I look forward to many more peaks and valleys in the future. Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 09:55:38 EST Subject: My return home To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - I have a lot of thanks to share and will do so sometime today! I just returned from Washington D.C. and I am happy to be home! As most of you know the weather has been difficult back east and Washington was hit pretty hard!. We received close to two feet of snow recently and it made getting back and fourth to work an experience. Besides the weather I had to work and average of at least 13 hour days the entire time I have been I am looking forward to staying home for awhile and hopefully getting more invovled in OBC. However, this comming week is the final week before we become Homeland Security and I suspect a lot of wild things will be happening at a fast pace. Meanwhile, my sincere thanks out to all of you! I have enjoyed reading "Ramblings" while out of town whne I got the chance. Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 08:52:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drive down memory lane To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Those were the days. Thanks Ken. --- cardclctor@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/22/03 5:35:20 AM, > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > << Perhaps some of you old timers can help me. Al's > giveaway in honor of his > 10 years as a member got me to thinking about how > long I have been a member. > I can't really remember myself other than to say > quite a few years. I think > I might have been around when Al became a member 10 > years ago ? > Can anyone help my failing memory ? >> > Bob, > Can't help you other than to say you've been > around longer than I have. (I > still have the e-mail on my old computer from xgux > welcoming me and Dave > Hampshire to the group, which now totaled 68 members > - it was dated June 21, > 1996) I dug up an e-mail I sent back in 1996 and > came up with the following > names that I copied it to. I crossed off a couple I > think started after I did > and shortened all but the two Prodigy addresses... > the rest might jog up a > memory or two for some of you... > alcattle, bdwg, binghmton4, bzzmill, chackman, > chahta, chicod1, cihii, > coachjph, curtisea, dcbbl, dftn, dsh46, eagle68, > friar4, ghart, ghay1, glk, > gocubs69, hmorgan707, ilni, jceru8600, jedward, > jmmnt, johnajax, jose88, > kal4u2, kiln116, klohse, kwg0, len124, mafer, > malsman, mattr613, mczape, > msrangers, nbfv69a@prodigy.com, ntul23a@prodigy.com, > playball33, psps4, > rdn56, redsox3, rfarr19, rkeating, rmperry, scoops4, > sicx, tigersgam, todd8, > topgolf, tply, traderdoug, txpoobah, wite3, wmarvin, > xb18, xblx, xbwx, xcip, > xddx, xdrj, xgkx, xgux, xndx, xtrjmx, zxrm > Bob's message got me digging deeper on my hard > drive. I also came up with > what I think is the first wantlist I sent out to OBC > (7/10/96) - I won't copy > it here, since it is LONG! Hard to believe that less > than 7 years ago, my > collection had: ZERO Bowman cards, NONE from the old > Fleer sets, NOTHING made > by Leaf Gum, NO wantlists for Topps 1951-1954, 1957, > 1958, or 1969... and not > one card from any basketball, football, or hockey > set. Since then, I've > started all these sets (and finished all but 48/49 > Leaf in baseball, plus > almost everything in the other three sports going > back to my birth year). > WHEW! No wonder I'm so tired :-) > Aug. 1996 - an e-mail from Sal with his idea of > sending Kevin Lohse a > single card from every person (in addition to the > 1975 set we put together > for him over a weekend) with the idea that the card > or the person on the card > made us feel good along with a story about why. > Hopefully it would help our > sick friend feel better as well... and it did - the > healing power of > cardboard! I saw an e-mail from Scoops with > directions to his house, so I > could meet up with him for my first Ft. Washington > show ever... Sept. 1996. I > got to meet up with Kevin at that show. We drew > names for the winners of his > Stan Hack/Ty Cobb contest. All the entrants wrote an > essay on "The Meaning of > Cardboard". I can't let Geno forget he drew his own > name > Jan. '97 - an e-mail from UnkPhil detailing his > card collecting roots > growing up in Wisconsin. Got to meet up with him and > share a room in Vegas a > couple months later - my first trip out there and > the last time I've seen > him... "Where's Phil?" > Aug. '97 - Guru's condition guide, copied for > your viewing pleasure: > Guru Condition Guide > Category: Ramblings > From: guru@dockingbay.com > Date: 16 Aug 1997 > Time: 15:20:00 > Comments > Guru Grading In an effort to standardize OBC grading > procedures, I have been > asked to post my Condition Guide. Dealers are hereby > warned that reading any > further is likely to cause stomach pains. > Mint(MT): The front of a Mint baseball card will > include most of the original > paper. Normal "in the shirt pocket" creases are > allowed, as are thumb tack > and staple holes. You should also be able to read > most on the back of the > card. The only writing allowed on a Mint baseball > card is scratching off the > old team name and inking in the new team. I have > received numerous e-mails > asking about "gloss" and "centering". Since I do not > know what these are I > cannot comment on it. Any Mickey Mantle card grades > Mint. Early 1900 tobacco > cards can never grade lower than Mint. > Near Mint(NM): A Near Mint baseball card will at > first appear to be perfect, > but upon closer inspection some minor flaws may be > discovered. For example, > your favorite Milwaukee Braves pitcher is Joe Jay, > but you can never pull a > Joe Jay from a pack. You have seven cards of Braves > pitcher Don McMahon, so > you carefully cross out Don McMahons name and > replace it with Joe Jay. It > goes without saying in this example you would also > have to thicken up Don > McMahons eyebrows a little too. When examined > closely, staple holes may > actually be nail holes which would downgrade a Mint > card to NM. > Excellent(EX): An excellent condition baseball card > should have at least > three corners. Hole punched cards and cards with BB > holes will normally not > grade above EX. Any kind of writing is allowed on > cards in excellent > condition. Added nasal hair, arrows through the > players head, black eyes, and > blacked out teeth are certainly allowed. I have a > 1958 Topps #5 Willie Mays > with a penciled in goatee, blacked out teeth, and a > large chip out of Willies > left nostril. When the dealer told me he would take > five dollars for the card > I replied "Excellent Dealer Dude!" Bicycle spoke > creases are allowed on EX > cards, and any stain from any source are allowed on > EX condition cards. To > read my award winning dissertation entitled > "Baseball Cards and Stains > Accomplished By Ten Year Olds" click > (http://www.tenyearold.stain/ballcards.htm). ANY > BROOKLYN DODGER CARD CAN > NEVER GRADE BELOW EXCELLENT! > Very Good(VG): If less than 10% of the card has been > burned up, this would > classify as a VG card. Cards that have been cut in > two and taped back > together normally grade VG. EXCEPTION: 1941 Double > Play Cards that have been > cut in two. If both sides have been taped, stapled, > or glued back together, > these normally grade NM. If only half of the card > remains, it grades VG. > Remember your least favorite card when you were a > kid? Somebody like Frank > Zupo? You take your Frank Zupo card and lay it down > face first in the street > and then get on your bike and get going real fast. > Just before your rear tire > runs over your Frank Zupo, hit the brakes! You could > drag that Frank Zupo > card ten feet if you timed it right! Mouse damaged > cards normally grade VG, > however, cat damaged cards (if you know what I mean) > normally grade a lot > lower than VG. > Good(G): Good condition cards can be bent, cut, hole > punched, taped, stapled, > wrote on, eraser damaged, torn, ripped, scuffed, > stained, creased, chipped, > chewed, and glued. VG cards could have been used for > target practice, dunked > in the toilet, set on fire and dropped from your > upstairs bedroom, used to > mix model airplane paint, and definitely thrown at > your sister. No matter > WHAT a card looks like, if you need it for your > collection, === message truncated === Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:12:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Archives From: "mikesportsfan " Reading Ken's ramble about some OBC history got me thinking (always a dangerous thing). Do we have an OBC archives where people, especially new and/or prospective members can read up on the OBC philosophy? Thigs like the Kevin Loese project, Lynn Miller auction (sorry Lynn if this is embarassing), Rick Redpath 1959 set quest, the 1962 TSN magazine project, Mike Manary cards for Children's Hospital, etc. would be highlighted. Items for inclusion ould be approved by OBCAC maybe. Just my thoughts. As a group, and individuals on a private basis, we have done some truly remarkable things. Last year when I had to go the emergency room and Mark Talbot found out, he showed up at the hospital with some healing power of cardboard. How many groups offer that kind of support. Another member from Ohio (was it John McLaughlin or Bill Malson or another)even offered to come up to Detroit and take care of me for a few days if I needed it. Mind you, at the time I had not even met them before. How many groups would have people who would even consider this kind of support. Forget the BS about Ebay bidding, and other recent "disagreements" for anyone in the group 3 years or more, I would think this is what they think of when they think of OBC. Cardboard is great, but the friendships and support mean so much more. For those who have not yet had a chance to meet another OBCer in person, it is comical in that as soon as you meet, it seems like you have known them for years. You are almost best friends. May we never lose the true OBC spirit that the founders established. I thank you for allowing me to be a part of this and hope I live up to the standards that have been established. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:26:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Archives From: "Ken Morganti " --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rich wrote: << Reading Ken's ramble about some OBC history got me thinking (always a dangerous thing). Do we have an OBC archives where people, especially new and/or prospective members can read up on the OBC philosophy? Things like the Kevin Lohse project, Lynn Miller auction (sorry Lynn if this is embarassing), Rick Redpath 1959 set quest, the 1962 TSN magazine project, Mike Manary cards for Children's Hospital, etc. would be highlighted. Items for inclusion could be approved by OBCAC maybe. Just my thoughts. As a group, and individuals on a private basis, we have done some truly remarkable things.> The answer is 'no', we don't have any type of archives like this - at least not one that's accessible to everyone... but we should. I know Jim Wiehe has several Gigabytes of old e-mails from when he first joined the group. It would be pretty cool to read about the things that went on before I joined or remember again some of the stuff I was a part of for that matter ;-) I'd also like to read some of my ramblings again. I have this delusion that some of them may have been entertaining or witty - so maybe I shouldn't ruin my own self image? Maybe I could recycle some of them so that maybe you guys might actually read it the second time around? Seriously though, I should make a list of the Top Ten things I've done as an OBC'er - or maybe twenty to give everyone a better idea of what this group is about. I have a vision... a list of OBC Projects, each with a brief description of the basic idea behind the event, then a link to a digest of the e-mails that went back and forth at the time.... hmmm, I feel a ramble coming on. Hold the phone. I'll be back.... Ken M ================= Date: 22 Feb 2003 19:43:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cards going out From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Cards went out today to all who requested Psycho Hi's. ================= To: Subject: Ken has lost his mind.... Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:49:30 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Ken, first off, that was already a Ramble....albeit a short one. As for the idea of going back and re-reading your previous Rambles, I strongly suggest putting the next two years of your life aside for this task :>) ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:57:46 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Archives To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com In a message dated 2/22/2003 2:28:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: > In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rich wrote: > < thinking (always a dangerous thing). Do we have an OBC > archives where people, especially new and/or prospective > members can read up on the OBC philosophy? Things like the > Kevin Lohse project, Lynn Miller auction (sorry Lynn if this is > embarassing), Rick Redpath 1959 set quest, the 1962 TSN > magazine project, Mike Manary cards for Children's Hospital, etc. > would be highlighted. Items for inclusion could be approved by > OBCAC maybe. Just my thoughts. As a group, and individuals > on a private basis, we have done some truly remarkable things.> > > > One of the things that I would like to see is the "Casey at the Bat" > writing contest that Friar ran many years ago. If I remember right, there > was some decent stories submitted on that one..... ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:24:53 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drive down memory lane To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Wow Ken, I can't believe it's been that long since the Kevin Lohse epsodes... Man time has flown! If I can access my old 486, I'll bet I have a TON of old emails including the first OBCAC. I know Trips at one time had some collection of emails on his harddrive. I wonder if we have enough to do an actual retrospect and timeline of some of the things this group has done. I don't think that was the beginning of the healing power of cardboard. Stan Hack may have been the originator. The name I remember most on the email list was zrxm- robbie moore, who couldn't remember the number he was given for the christmas card exchange and by the time the holiday came everyone knew his number. Hmm that gives me an idea. I hope to find one of Terry's original xmas card emails. I remember that the original idea was not as much to hit someone's list as it was to send a card of personal meaning. Looks like I'll be playing with a 486 computer this weekend! Thanks for the memories Ken... ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 16:36:23 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Archives To: Malsman250@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com OH man, another memory! And the poetry we had to write to get some special "prizes" (we really would do anything for a piece of cardboard!). Ok since my activity is being a little curtailed while I get into my new position as a loan officer (anyone in NY,Conn,Mass or Fl need a refinance? lol)... I'll see if I can access the old clunker and see who was in OBC when I started some 11 years ago. And don't go blaming me for getting you into this Al, it all began on prodigy with a few 75 mini's. BTW, Doc John (my other OBC prodigy), how's things going your way? I remember every father's day, we would exchange emails reminding each other of Bunning's no-no against the Mets... Bob, I'm pretty sure you were here before I was. I came in sometime around late 92, as we were trying to find a new home to nest at. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 18:25:03 EST Subject: My Top 20 OBC Experiences To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com These aren't in any particular order other than my random memory. Not too many of these involve cards - but I've got plenty of memories from those sitting in the binders. Here's a few of the ramblings, thank you notes, projects and farewells I remember over the last several years.... * Kevin Lohse project - If I did order these, it has to be the #1 thing on the list, since it's the first thing I think about with OBC. I would've given anything to be a fly on the wall at the post office that day. I'm so happy I joined just in time to participate in this. The measuring stick for all subsequent projects IMHO. * Lynn Miller project - can't really elaborate on this without incriminating some people... We must've set an eBay record for the number of bids on that group of 1955 commons though * First trip to Ft. Washington - lesson learned: never ask the locals which hotel to stay at, since they have no need to use a hotel in their own town. The start of a quarterly journey to meet up with my best friends in cardboard * Unplanned stop in Gettysburg - a tale about how bad my car was and how much of a good guy Eric V. was. * JAM-Aid - one of the projects I helped coordinate in order to repay one of the kind benfactors of OBC. * My first solo trip to Florida - two weeks, seven stops and 5 OBC'ers met. Got to see a few of the diverse collections in the group along the way. * V97 - losing two grand wasn't quite as painful as the rookie shoes. My favorite weekend every year I've been able to attend since then. * The Nationals in Atlanta - my first Nationals trip was quite memorable even without the two dozen 52 Topps highs I picked up. * Rick Redpath's 1955 set - one of the most recent projects I've been happy to participate in. I'm also fortunate to live close by and have seen Rick since then. Makes me happy to see him doing well. * The first OBC meeting - seven years ago I traded Joe Cerullo a stack of (63) 1963's for a single card on Jim Montgomery's list. Boy, did I rip him off :-) I miss talking to eeeeeee * Bill List - I still don't have any words to describe the range of emotions from my meeting with Bill. I'm glad I could provide even a couple hours of diversion for him though. * Phone calls from Geordie - called me the first time to thank me for cards I sent him - the second time to warn me not to buy a Ryan RC on my upcoming trip to FW. Neither was really necessary, but both memorable and appreciated. * The "Dream Box" - 300 cards in toploaders for $1000. Two Mantles, 5 Koufax, Aaron's, Banks', Clemente's, most of the '66 high numbers, you get the idea... after sorting through it all, OBC got a lot of the cards too. ;-) * Stan Hack strikes Everett - what better gift for the variation collector than the three poses of the 1966 Don Landrum? One of the few items on display in my room. * Ken and Steve's Excellent Adventure - two guys travelling the countryside with nothing better to do than visit cardshops along the way and hit wantlists in between. Maybe that's how we avoided being at each other's * Josh visits Fenway - the swap session before the game was a great time. Can you pick out the guy from CA in the crowd? (Hint: there's one person shivering under all those blankets) * Nationals in Chicago 2001 - a record gathering for OBC'ers and a week of fun with good friends. Oh yeah, there was some card show too. * OBC Holiday Swap - I remember swapping victims one year with Robbie, so he could exact some measure of revenge on Terry for all the flak he had to endure in the weeks leading up to the swap. I think the first gift I ever sent out to Jim Wiehe was my best work (at least it was the hardest one I ever put together)... and I still remember the gift Guru sent me that I couldn't pass by the tree without shaking to see what it was. * V99 - after a year off, I return to Vegas with a vengance. I win enough to buy a 52 Mantle after the trip, but should've saved some for golf lessons * Hitting those lists - I think I've made it through the whole roster once with something for everyone who posted a list (back when there was only 70 of us I think). Now there's too many people with impossible lists to duplicate the feat, but there's no harm in trying... Well, that's the long and the short of it. I could probably post another list with the top deliveries to my mailbox, but I'll give you all a break for the rest of the weekend ;-) Maybe some of you could post your own lists and/or add to mine? I've already got Sal booting up his old 486 this weekend. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:51:41 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drive down memory lane To: ChicoD1@aol.com, CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Actually...going even further back about the healing power of cardboard...i remember sending ryan "teenager" tewell a bunch of cards and signed a ball for him when he was sick and down....that was nearly 12 years ago!! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: 1965 topps issue :) Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:57:58 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Is it me, or does this look more like a swinging strike than a home run? http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/piedmontcards/6 ================= Date: 23 Feb 2003 01:20:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A tip of the From: "obcjohn@knology.net" OBC cap goes out from Mungumry to: Al Cummings - Big Al must be working out big time these days. Must be in superb physical condition with bulging muscles as he hurls 15 TV sets all the way from Seattle to Mungumry. What a package!!! Just started this set and these guys are in aqlmost as good shape as Al must be in. Thanks for the Anniversary present Big Al (St. Al). Have an error-free season. ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 22 Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:14:56 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have make friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1952 Bowman 20, 26, 38, 49, 50, 51x2, 58, 74, 83, 87, 96, 102, 103, 106, 107, 125, 130, 133, 139, 154x2, 170, 178, 181, 182x2, 185, 200, 206, 210x2, 213 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:17:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 topps issue :) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin The image didn't come up for me, but as I recall, this card was supposedly Mantle's game winning homer in the '64 World Series. However, in the photo, that's Bob Gibson pitching. Mantle hit the homer off Barney --- Sean McGowan wrote: > Is it me, or does this look more like a swinging > strike than a > home run? > Sean http://imagehost.auctionwatch.com/bin/imageserver.x/00000000/piedmontcards/6 > 5mantleHR.jpg Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: 23 Feb 2003 08:40:02 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What is the highest bid you think your most valuable single card (any type) would get on ebay in a 7 day "true" no reserve auction starting @ $1? Assume you had clear photos, described the condition correctly, you (or your seller) had 200 positives & no negatives or nuetrals, S&H was $5 by Priority Mail & included insurance plus it ended in prime time on the best day (ideal situation). CHOICES AND RESULTS - $20-$40, 0 votes, 0.00% - $41-$60, 0 votes, 0.00% - $61-$80, 0 votes, 0.00% - $81-$100, 0 votes, 0.00% - $101-$120, 0 votes, 0.00% - $121-$140, 1 votes, 10.00% - $141-$160, 0 votes, 0.00% - $161-$180, 0 votes, 0.00% - $181-$200, 1 votes, 10.00% - $201-220, 0 votes, 0.00% - $221-$240, 0 votes, 0.00% - $241-$260, 1 votes, 10.00% - $261-$280, 0 votes, 0.00% - $281-$300, 2 votes, 20.00% - $301-$340, 0 votes, 0.00% - $341-$360, 0 votes, 0.00% - $361-$399, 0 votes, 0.00% - $400-$439, 1 votes, 10.00% - $440-$499, 0 votes, 0.00% - $500-$599, 0 votes, 0.00% - $600-$699, 1 votes, 10.00% - $700-$799, 0 votes, 0.00% - $800-$899, 1 votes, 10.00% - $900-$999, 0 votes, 0.00% - $1000+, 2 votes, 20.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - $20-$40 - $41-$60 - $61-$80 - $81-$100 - $101-$120 - $121-$140 - keithsummers@webtv.net - $141-$160 - $161-$180 - $181-$200 - rwp5217@cox.net - $201-220 - $221-$240 - $241-$260 - dan@iamdanaustin.com - $261-$280 - $281-$300 - obc_spike@yahoo.com - hoot-owl@comcast.net - $301-$340 - $341-$360 - $361-$399 - $400-$439 - dsh46@aol.com - $440-$499 - $500-$599 - $600-$699 - jcollins12@triad.rr.com - $700-$799 - $800-$899 - coop951@optonline.net - $900-$999 - $1000+ - familytoad@harborside.com - brockhattox@cs.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 04:21:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Memory Lane Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:56:06 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" All this reminiscing is great! When do we get started on something new? I'd bet there are several OBCers going through tough times right now. Cancer. Job loss. Divorce. Its all out there waiting for the healing power of cardboard. Perhaps we could randomly select a relatively new guy and bombard him. If we want newcomers to know how great and unique OBC is, let's shift from talking about the past towards acting in the present. As usual, I have tons of ideas but no idea if any of them will fly. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:43:46 EST Subject: computer sound help needed To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com The sound on my computer stopped working suddenly. The speakers are plugged in, and the sound setting is "on" on the control panel. Anyone have any ideas about what I should try? ================= To: "amcook93@aol.com" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] computer sound help needed Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:39:25 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" When was your last hearing check?.....hee hee ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2/23/2003 10:43:50 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] computer sound help needed The sound on my computer stopped working suddenly. The speakers are plugged in, and the sound setting is "on" on the control panel. Anyone have any ideas about what I should try? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:15:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] computer sound help needed To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Brian Dwyer solved the problem. My entertainment volume control on the accessories menu was muted. Thanks for all the technical help. ================= Date: 23 Feb 2003 22:28:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" The vote count is now at 70. Now that's more like it!! Still, a lot of people yet to vote. Deadline for ballots is Mar 1, 12 noon, PST. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:52:37 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ft Wash From: Neal Thomas HI all- It looks like I have about a 50-50 chance of hitting Ft Wash on Saturday morning. Any head count on who will be there? ================= Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:46:43 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ft Wash To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'll be at FW on Saturday morning at the opening. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1963 CL Variation available Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:50:22 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- Does anybody need a 1963 #102b? It is the tougher of the two variations according to my SCD, although I have three of them and none of the "easy" one. This one has "Checklist" in white on red. If you want one, let me know and I'll send it along... Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:58:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 topps issue :) To: Sean McGowan From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hey this is a classic - Check it out - Bob Gibson is pitching to Mantle and anybody who knows about this series knows that the HR was hit off Nellie Briles.  Swinging strike it is and we were talking about this card in `65 - it duped a lot of folks but not the kids in front of the dime store in my neighborhood.  BE WELL!!!

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================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 23 Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 23:05:33 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1960 Topps 4, 6, 13x2, 19, 27, 29, 30, 32, 37, 38, 40, 41, 44, 60, 69, 75, 76, 77, 80, 81, 86, 88, 89x4, 95, 108, 110, 112x2, 114, 119, 121x2, 124, 127, 139, 149x2, 150, 162, 163, 168, 169, 170x2, 171, 176, 177, 179, 180, 186, 189, 193, 199x2, 208, 209, 214, 229, 236, 237, 238, 243, 252, 256, 257, 259, 263, 266, 270, 276, 277, 281, 285, 293, 297, 313, 321, 325, 332, 346x2,362, 367, 380, 383, 384, 399, 404, 419, 428, 433, 438, 444, 445, 446, 447,455, 456, 458, 460, 461, 463x2, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 472, 477, 491, 495, 496, 504, 513 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: authentic Goudey Lajoie on ebay? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:27:37 -0800 From: "John Collins" I ran across this auction late last night, and thought I would pass it on to others for opinions. Does anybody think this is possibly the real deal? I don't, simply based on the price it's at right now, plus the seller doesn't have a scan of the back posted. I e-mailed him for a scan, and he sent one that appears to be a "blank back" card, though the paper is aged and colored the way a '33 Goudey normally looks. Has anybody ever heard of a blank-backed Here is the link. Try to ignore the irony of the UV Upper Deck logos in the scan background behind the card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2712995631&category31722 I'd be interested to know any opinions, ================= To: "John Collins" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] authentic Goudey Lajoie on ebay? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 07:53:28 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" No way. Ask him why he has a reserve for under $600 on a $30,000 card. Ask him why he didn't grade it so he could sell it well into the thousands. Simple answer is it's a fake. -----Original Message----- From: John Collins [mailto:jcollins12@triad.rr.com] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:28 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] authentic Goudey Lajoie on ebay? I ran across this auction late last night, and thought I would pass it on to others for opinions. Does anybody think this is possibly the real deal? I don't, simply based on the price it's at right now, plus the seller doesn't have a scan of the back posted. I e-mailed him for a scan, and he sent one that appears to be a "blank back" card, though the paper is aged and colored the way a '33 Goudey normally looks. Has anybody ever heard of a blank-backed Lajoie? Here is the link. Try to ignore the irony of the UV Upper Deck logos in the scan background behind the card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2712995631&category=31722 I'd be interested to know any opinions, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: response from Lajoie seller Date: 24 Feb 2003 06:51:49 -0800 From: "John Collins" Here is the response that I got from the seller of the Lajoie. I'm hoping he just doesn't know what he is doing, and isn't intentionally trying to rip somebody off. I e-mailed him a longer response telling him what I really thought, including the probablity that he has the world's only authentic blank-backed Lajoie (zero). We'll see if he sees my point or turns hostile... >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dan" >To: >Date: 2/24/03 11:39:25 AM hi jim i am thinking of cancelling the auction.im starting to think i should >find out how much this thing could be worth.if there is a chance it is a >blank back it would be priceless.do you have any input for me as i would >appreciate your advice or thoughts.daniel l frazel >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:35 PM >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2712995631 >> Could I get a scan of the back of this card? Even if it is >seeing the back is the best way to tell if this one is real. Not many of >these out there at all. >> Thanks, >> --John >> -------------------- >> Question from: topps56 >> Title of item: napoleon (larry) lajoie 1933 goudey >> Seller: danthec >> Starts: Feb-23-03 05:59:35 PST >> Ends: Mar-05-03 05:59:35 PST >> Price: Currently $610.00 >> To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2712995631 >> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: response from Lajoie seller Date: 24 Feb 2003 06:51:49 -0800 From: "John Collins" Here is the response that I got from the seller of the Lajoie. I'm hoping he just doesn't know what he is doing, and isn't intentionally trying to rip somebody off. I e-mailed him a longer response telling him what I really thought, including the probablity that he has the world's only authentic blank-backed Lajoie (zero). We'll see if he sees my point or turns hostile... >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dan" >To: >Date: 2/24/03 11:39:25 AM hi jim i am thinking of cancelling the auction.im starting to think i should >find out how much this thing could be worth.if there is a chance it is a >blank back it would be priceless.do you have any input for me as i would >appreciate your advice or thoughts.daniel l frazel >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:35 PM >Subject: Question for seller -- Item #2712995631 >> Could I get a scan of the back of this card? Even if it is >seeing the back is the best way to tell if this one is real. Not many of >these out there at all. >> Thanks, >> --John >> -------------------- >> Question from: topps56 >> Title of item: napoleon (larry) lajoie 1933 goudey >> Seller: danthec >> Starts: Feb-23-03 05:59:35 PST >> Ends: Mar-05-03 05:59:35 PST >> Price: Currently $610.00 >> To view the item, go to: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2712995631 >> Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:57:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: OBC NE going to Ft. Wash? To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Not sure if it's possible to legally use more abbrviations than that. I suspect Ken, but are their other people from New England heading to Ft. Wash this Friday / Sat? I'm willing to drive, but give me a head's up if that's needed, so I can get the brakes checked. Looking forward to it! Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:07:58 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC NE going to Ft. Wash? To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com spike: it may be a good idea to get your brakes checked anyway, dontcha ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:15:36 EST Subject: What about us Southeastern Guys? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Greetings to everyone. Those of you who have met me in person probably remember my dupes box. It's the big white thing that was the size of a first generation VCR. Anything inside it can be yours if you just take it. HOWEVER in spite of my recent mailings, it isn't getting much smaller. I need to GET TOGETHER WITH SOME Keep in mind that the big Knoxville show is this weekend. I went last year, spent a total of about 20 minutes looking at all the tables, and left without buying anything. :) HOWEVER if there are any OBCers going, PLEASE let me know and I will be there with my dupes box in hand (s) . Are there any MAJOR shows coming up in Atlanta or somewhere a bit closer than Ft.Washingon? (which is a quick 17 hour jaunt from here) Anyone down here in the Southeast have an idea as to which show in OUR region is the biggest? I would like to get to a big show, meet some new OBCers, re-meet some old OBCers and proudly sport my OBC HAT. I am thinking about throwing mattresses down on the floor of every room but the living room and having the OBC national in my house. In all seriousness, I would like to find out when you guys are going to be at shows within about 5 hours of Knoxville. It's a 5000 count box filled with baseball associated weirdness. Lets have a Mark T206Guy Atnip ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What about us Southeastern Guys? Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:30:50 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" You'd be welcome to bring that sucker over here to Glasgow! -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: 24 February 2003 19:16 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What about us Southeastern Guys? Greetings to everyone. Those of you who have met me in person probably remember my dupes box. It's the big white thing that was the size of a first generation VCR. Anything inside it can be yours if you just take it. HOWEVER in spite of my recent mailings, it isn't getting much smaller. I need to GET TOGETHER WITH SOME OBCERS. Keep in mind that the big Knoxville show is this weekend. I went last year, spent a total of about 20 minutes looking at all the tables, and left without buying anything. :) HOWEVER if there are any OBCers going, PLEASE let me know and I will be there with my dupes box in hand (s) . Are there any MAJOR shows coming up in Atlanta or somewhere a bit closer than Ft.Washingon? (which is a quick 17 hour jaunt from here) Anyone down here in the Southeast have an idea as to which show in OUR region is the biggest? I would like to get to a big show, meet some new OBCers, re-meet some old OBCers and proudly sport my OBC HAT. I am thinking about throwing mattresses down on the floor of every room but the living room and having the OBC national in my house. In all seriousness, I would like to find out when you guys are going to be at shows within about 5 hours of Knoxville. It's a 5000 count box filled with baseball associated weirdness. Lets have a party. Mark T206Guy Atnip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 14:40:30 EST Subject: Explanation? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Democrats View of Tax Cuts..from a sports fan point of view...szq Subject: Democrats View of Tax Cuts..from a sports fan point of If you don't understand the Democrats' version of the 2001 tax cuts (and you are not alone), this will explain it for you (it will also give insight to their position on the newly proposed tax cuts): 50,000 people go to a baseball game, but the game was rained out and a refund was then due the attendees. The team was about to mail refunds when the Congressional Democrats stopped them and suggested sending refund amounts based on the Democrat National Committee's interpretation of fairness.After all, if the refunds were made based on each person paid for the tickets, most of the money would go to the wealthiest ticket holders and that would be unconscionable. The DNC plan lays down the following criterion: A. People in the $10 seats will get back $15 because they have less money to spend. Call it an "Earned" Income Ticket Credit." Persons "earn" it by demonstrating little ambition, few skills and poor work habits, thus keeping them at entry-level wages. B. People in the $25 seats will get back $25 because that's only C. People in the $50 seats will get back $1 because they already make a lot of money and don't need a refund. If they can afford a $50 ticket then they must not be paying enough taxes. D. People in the $75 luxury seats will have to pay another $50 because they have way too much money to spend. E. People driving by the stadium who couldn't afford to watch the game will get $10 each. Even though they didn't pay anything or attempt to go to the game, they get a refund because they need the most help. Now do you understand? If not, contact Representative Richard Gephardt or Senator Tom Daschle for assistance with further explanations. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:55:33 -0600 To: t206guy@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What about us Southeastern Guys? From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Mark, I'm ready for another Madison (Ga) or Atlanta get together. I've got prewar stuff that's itchin to find a new home. Some of the guys in Atlanta or thereabouts must know of an upcoming show where we could meet. I'm also up for another Madison get together at Mark Argo's. Second, I'll be up in Knoxville in May, as my daughter goes to school at Maryville. Maybe we could get together then for a swap session. t206guy@aol.com wrote: > Greetings to everyone. > Those of you who have met me in person probably remember my dupes > box. It's the big white thing that was the size of a first generation > VCR. Anything inside it can be yours if you just take it. HOWEVER in > spite of my recent mailings, it isn't getting much smaller. I need to > GET TOGETHER WITH SOME OBCERS. > Keep in mind that the big Knoxville show is this weekend. I went last > year, spent a total of about 20 minutes looking at all the tables, and > left without buying anything. :) HOWEVER if there are any OBCers > going, PLEASE let me know and I will be there with my dupes box in > hand (s) . > Are there any MAJOR shows coming up in Atlanta or somewhere a bit > closer than Ft.Washingon? (which is a quick 17 hour jaunt from here) > Anyone down here in the Southeast have an idea as to which show in OUR > region is the biggest? I would like to get to a big show, meet some > new OBCers, re-meet some old OBCers and proudly sport my OBC HAT. > I am thinking about throwing mattresses down on the floor of every > room but the living room and having the OBC national in my house. In > all seriousness, I would like to find out when you guys are going to > be at shows within about 5 hours of Knoxville. > It's a 5000 count box filled with baseball associated weirdness. Lets > have a party. > Mark T206Guy Atnip > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: jharrell@huntingdon.edu t206guy@aol.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What about us Southeastern Guys? Date: 24 Feb 2003 13:50:32 -0800 From: "John Collins" One possible Southeast alternative to Ft. Washington are the Raleigh, NC shows. I think Steve may have mentioned this before. They usually occur once every 3 months or so, and are held inside a building on the NC State Fairgrounds. If you are into antiques other than cards, there is also a slew of flea market type dealers setup elsewhere on the fairgrounds around the building the card show is in. There are two different promoters that I know of. The first is Ray Monzingo, who has been around our area for awhile and is pretty highly thought of from what I can tell. His shows are the better of the two in my opinion, and usually have about 250 tables. There is a surprisingly high content of vintage stuff, including OBC condition tables and bargin bins. Chandy Greenholt (local vintage dealer extrordinaire) sets up at this show usually everytime. Normally no "featured" autograph guests, but if any of you have heard of Carl Long (played for the Birmingham Barons in the early 50's and was recently inducted into the Negro League HOF) he is usually there signing autographs and talking to fans at length about anything under the sun. The other show is held in the exact same place, but usually has fewer tables. It is promoted by CSA - Collectors Showcase of America, which is a more national outfit that tries to do more with getting autograph guests, etc. They have had Yogi Berra in the past, and a couple of football players that I didn't really care about. Though the show is slightly smaller, the CSA name sometimes attracts more national dealers. Though he has never been there at any of the shows I've been to, I've heard that Levi Bleam occasionally sets up at this show. (I know, don't all jump at once to buy ridiculously overpriced PSA cards.) On a personal note, I am not going to be able to make any of these shows in the near future (probably the rest of this year). It is only a 2 hour drive for me, but I spent WAY too much time at the shows last year, and my wife has threatened me as to what will occure if the same thing happens this year, etc. In all fairness to her we do have a lot planned for most of our weekends this year. But I just wanted to mention this as a possible OBC get-together place if others are close enough and are interested. Sorry also that I am not close enough or free enough at the present time to play host to any of it. >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dr. John V Harrell" >To: t206guy@aol.com >Date: 2/24/03 2:55:33 PM >Mark,  I'm ready for another Madison (Ga) or Atlanta get together.  >got prewar stuff that's itchin to find a new home.  Some of the guys in >Atlanta or thereabouts must know of an upcoming show where we >meet.   I'm also up for another Madison get together at Mark >Second,  I'll be up in Knoxville in May, as my daughter goes to school >at Maryville.  Maybe we could get together then for a swap session. >t206guy@aol.com wrote: >>  Greetings to everyone. >> Those of you who have met me in person probably remember my >> box.  It's the big white thing that was the size of a first >> VCR.  Anything inside it can be yours if you just take it.  HOWEVER in >> spite of my recent mailings, it isn't getting much smaller.  I need to >> GET TOGETHER WITH SOME OBCERS. >> Keep in mind that the big Knoxville show is this weekend.  I went last >> year, spent a total of about 20 minutes looking at all the tables, and >> left without buying anything.  :)     HOWEVER if there are any OBCers >> going, PLEASE let me know and I will be there with my dupes box in >> hand (s) . >> Are there any MAJOR shows coming up in Atlanta or somewhere a bit >> closer than Ft.Washingon? (which is a quick 17 hour jaunt from here) >> Anyone down here in the Southeast have an idea as to which show in OUR >> region is the biggest?  I would like to get to a big show, meet some >> new OBCers, re-meet some old OBCers and proudly sport my OBC >> I am thinking about throwing mattresses down on the floor of every >> room but the living room and having the OBC national in my house.  In >> all seriousness, I would like to find out when you guys are going to >> be at shows within about 5 hours of Knoxville. >> It's a 5000 count box filled with baseball associated weirdness.  >> have a party. >> Mark T206Guy Atnip >>                    Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >                        ADVERTISEMENT >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:02:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What about us Southeastern Guys? From: "jmoleta30341 " I dont know of anything big coming up in Atlanta, but I would be game for a trip to Madison, GA or perhaps Knoxville sometime in April (I find that my weekends fill up more quickly as a married guy than they used to!) If someone can reply to me (james_moleta@hotmail.com) with some upcoming event dates, I will put together an OBCSE list (GA/AL/TN/N FL & Carolinas) and try to coordinate something. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "John Collins" wrote: > Guys, > One possible Southeast alternative to Ft. Washington are the > Raleigh, NC shows. I think Steve may have mentioned this before. > They usually occur once every 3 months or so, and are held inside > a building on the NC State Fairgrounds. If you are into antiques > other than cards, there is also a slew of flea market type dealers > setup elsewhere on the fairgrounds around the building the card > show is in. There are two different promoters that I know of. > The first is Ray Monzingo, who has been around our area for > awhile and is pretty highly thought of from what I can tell. > His shows are the better of the two in my opinion, and usually > have about 250 tables. There is a surprisingly high content > of vintage stuff, including OBC condition tables and bargin bins. > Chandy Greenholt (local vintage dealer extrordinaire) sets up > at this show usually everytime. Normally no "featured" autograph > guests, but if any of you have heard of Carl Long (played for > the Birmingham Barons in the early 50's and was recently inducted > into the Negro League HOF) he is usually there signing autographs > and talking to fans at length about anything under the sun. > The other show is held in the exact same place, but usually has > fewer tables. It is promoted by CSA - Collectors Showcase of > America, which is a more national outfit that tries to do more > with getting autograph guests, etc. They have had Yogi Berra > in the past, and a couple of football players that I didn't really > care about. Though the show is slightly smaller, the CSA name > sometimes attracts more national dealers. Though he has never > been there at any of the shows I've been to, I've heard that > Levi Bleam occasionally sets up at this show. (I know, don't > all jump at once to buy ridiculously overpriced PSA cards.) > On a personal note, I am not going to be able to make any of > these shows in the near future (probably the rest of this year). > It is only a 2 hour drive for me, but I spent WAY too much time > at the shows last year, and my wife has threatened me as to what > will occure if the same thing happens this year, etc. In all > fairness to her we do have a lot planned for most of our weekends > this year. But I just wanted to mention this as a possible OBC > get-together place if others are close enough and are interested. > Sorry also that I am not close enough or free enough at the > present time to play host to any of it. > --John > >--- Original Message --- > >From: "Dr. John V Harrell" > >To: t206guy@a... > >Date: 2/24/03 2:55:33 PM > > > > > > > > > >Mark, I'm ready for another Madison (Ga) or Atlanta get together. > I've > > > >got prewar stuff that's itchin to find a new home. Some of > the guys in > > > >Atlanta or thereabouts must know of an upcoming show where we > could > > > >meet. I'm also up for another Madison get together at Mark > Argo's. > > > > > > > >Second, I'll be up in Knoxville in May, as my daughter goes > to school > > > >at Maryville. Maybe we could get together then for a swap session. > > > > > > > >Bama > > > > > > > >t206guy@a... wrote: > > > > > > > >> Greetings to everyone. > > > >> > > > >> Those of you who have met me in person probably remember my > dupes > > > >> box. It's the big white thing that was the size of a first > generation > > > >> VCR. Anything inside it can be yours if you just take it. > HOWEVER in > > > >> spite of my recent mailings, it isn't getting much smaller. > I need to > > > >> GET TOGETHER WITH SOME OBCERS. > > > >> > > > >> Keep in mind that the big Knoxville show is this weekend. > I went last > > > >> year, spent a total of about 20 minutes looking at all the > tables, and > > > >> left without buying anything. :) HOWEVER if there are > any OBCers > > > >> going, PLEASE let me know and I will be there with my dupes > box in > > > >> hand (s) . > > > >> > > > >> Are there any MAJOR shows coming up in Atlanta or somewhere > a bit > > > >> closer than Ft.Washingon? (which is a quick 17 hour jaunt > from here) > > > >> Anyone down here in the Southeast have an idea as to which > show in OUR > > > >> region is the biggest? I would like to get to a big show, > meet some > > > >> new OBCers, re-meet some old OBCers and proudly sport my OBC > HAT. > > > >> > > > >> I am thinking about throwing mattresses down on the floor > of every > > > >> room but the living room and having the OBC national in my > house. In > > > >> all seriousness, I would like to find out when you guys are > going to > > > >> be at shows within about 5 hours of Knoxville. > > > >> > > > >> It's a 5000 count box filled with baseball associated weirdness. > Lets > > > >> have a party. > > > >> > > > >> Mark T206Guy Atnip > > > >> Yahoo! GroupsSponsor > > > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:01:33 -0500 Subject: Wrigley Field poster From: Bob Saxton Up for grabs for whomever wants it: 20" x 27 3/4" color poster of "Wrigley Field First Night Game August 8, 1988" Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:00:28 EST Subject: 61 checklist? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com was somebody offering a 1961 #98 (checklist #2, red, black on white 98)? i lost that email, and i would love that card. plmk. tnx, gm ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Hurray for Canada! Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 16:27:44 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0224/1513515.html http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site- I just think it's very, very cool) ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:28:51 EST Subject: fw carpool? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Any DC area OBCers want to carpool to FW on Saturday? ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:33:36 -0500 (EST) To: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Explanation? From: Originaleek@webtv.net Been listening to Rush, huh? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:47:21 EST Subject: Hornsby card on ebay: beware! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Just in case anybody finds this card and gets excited, please note that this isn't the Hornsby you may think it is. I sent this message to the seller last night and he/she has yet to respond or amend the auction. If you must bid, bid on the card and not the name! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:18:56 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Election Update To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 2/24/03 6:00:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: << I do not know why everyone was getting so worried about the voting. were just holding back to see campaign platforms, hear the speeches, check for the latest scandals, etc., before voting. >> That reminds me... I forgot to mention my campaign slogan I think: "I promise a tipton in every pot"... or binder if you don't keep your cards in a pot. Good luck to my worthy opponents, who I should point out all have empty dupes boxes TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "John Collins" Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Monday Thankyas... Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:21:07 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" "Perhaps this is a set I can finish this year." Famous last words, John ! I've been working on this set for 30 years. I'm down to about 20 left, but they don't come easy...they aren't called pyschos for nothing! ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Thanks Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Monday Thankyas... Thanks from 63 degree - Winston-Salem, NC go out to: BRIAN DWYER: 10 more hits to the '72 Psycho list, including Catfish Hunter and Joe Torre. Wow! I only have 313 out of 787 left on the '72s now. Perhaps this is a set I can finish this year. TOM HOUSLEY: a '58 Topps Jim Wilson, and 2 '62 woodies including the #98checklist Thanks Brian and Tom !! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 24 Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:16:30 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1972 Topps 3, 9, 11x2, 23, 24x2, 25, 28, 31x3, 32, 34, 35x2, 39, 40, 41, 43, 46, 53, 54, 55, 60, 62, 64, 65, 70x2, 75, 111, 112x2, 115, 120, 125, 140,141, 145, 146, 152, 154, 157, 160, 166, 170, 174, 183, 190, 202, 203x2, 204x2, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209x2, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 216, 217x2, 218, 219, 220, 231, 233, 234, 236, 238, 239, 240, 243, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 266, 267, 269, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 301, 303, 308, 383, 384, 385, 386, 388, 389, 390, 391, 393, 394, 396, 398, 399, 400, 401, 402, 403, 406, 407, 408, 411, 412, 437, 438, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 469, 470, 471, 472, 514, 516, 520, 521, 523, 525, 549, 551 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: Re: What about us Southeastern Guys? Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:40:51 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" I am REAL interested in a road trip. ================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:32:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: An OBC sports weekend From: "mikesportsfan " This past weekend Mark Talbot and I hung out a lot, accompanied by his daughter and niece. On Saturday, we went down to Joe Louis Arena where they were having a season ticket holder appreciation weekend. I was given 4 passes. In addition to the free hot dogs, soft drinks and chips (I won the hot dog eating contest 5 to 4), we got a tour of the most UNimpessive Press Box and the impressive locker room for the Red Wings. Mark was able to get a picture of his daughter by her fav Red Wing Shanahan's locker. The kids got to skate on the Joe Louis ice for 45 minutes. Mark and I were credited with saving numerous lives, by NOT skating. Both from a, they will get cut from our skate blades when we fall and from those that would have died laughing watching us trying to skate. We ended up at Greek Town afterwards where is daughter whined for Saganaki so they would yell Oopa. Translation for those that do not know, Saganaki means, "Dumb Americans willing to pay to see cheese burn". By the time we headed home, the weather had turned miserable with a driving sleet, blizzard storm. I was glad Mark was driving, just wish he had had his van or my Town Car instead of his little car. He did get me safely home. On Sunday, we hooked up again after we each dug out our driveways. I had 4 to 6 inches (that is about all I ever have. (Grant, I figured I would save you the trouble of the comment)) of snow at my house. It was not uniformed however, due to the wind. Parts of my drivaway were bone dry and others were up to a foot deep in snow. Mark had similar problems, but even more snow at his house 20 minutes away. Sunday's fare, was a Detroit Fury Arena Football game. Great game and the Fury won when they tackled a Dallas Desperado on the 2 yard line as time expired to preserve a 4 point victory. After the game, players and cheerleaders ha a 15 minute autograph session on the field. So there we were on the Palace Field the day after the Joe Louis Arena Ice. The girls wanted the cheerleaders autographs, and who were Mark and I to argue. So we got a number of cheerleader autographs and the girls also got autographed pictures of the mascot Frenzy. We ended up back at Mark's house where he showed me his prewar collection and explained the difference between T-218 & T-220 It was much appreciated to have another sports nut join me for these events. I periodically get freebies to odd sports events and sometimes have trouble finding someone to join me. OBC to the rescue Thanks Mark and to Kendall (his daughter) for "allowing" us to go. Mike Rich ================= To: "'mikesportsfan '" , Subject: OBC Spirit Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 09:52:39 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hello All, WARNING!!!! This ramble gets pretty heavy, if your looking for a "lighthearted read" move on and read this later. I have read the ramblings of Ken, Mike, Steve and others on this subject and could not agree more. My membership in OBC is about 2 1/2 years old and I can easily say that my cardboard collection has grown significantly but it's not about the cardboard. It's about enjoying each others electronic company and support; it's about the many random individual and "organized" selfless acts of kindness, many of which have already been mentioned; it's about meeting one another for the first time and some how knowing that when you leave it won't be the last; it's about a phone call from Glasgow or C-attle from someone you have never met, but is no stranger, just to say Hi; it's about caring about each other. For me, it surly puts squabbles over eBay bidding, what server to place a message on and other petty matters into perspective. The world scene is getting crazier by the moment; 9-11, impeding war, economic uncertainties and the like. As a nation we escape to the insanity of reality TV and forget about the problems around us. I submit that in many ways OBC takes us to a higher sense of awareness; the impending war is not 1/2 a world away OBC guys are in the trenches; the economic downturn didn't happen somewhere else, OBC families are feeling the pinch some have lost their jobs; many of our own OBC guys or their family members are sick or ailing and we are all OBC is far more than just cardboard, it's the cardboard that reminds us of a simpler time when life and the world were a simpler place. The reality is - the world will never return to that kind of place, but OBC and the "spirit of OBC", as I understand it, allows us all to elicit support and comfort and rely on one another to be there if needed. I am proud to be a part of this group and as others have commented wish that we could "get back on track" to the true spirit of what OBC is all about. Thanks for allowing me this forum to rattle on and on and thanks for allowing me to be a part of this organization for the past 2 1/2 years. BE REGARDS ------------------------ MARK -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 12:13 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Archives Reading Ken's ramble about some OBC history got me thinking (always a dangerous thing). Do we have an OBC archives where people, especially new and/or prospective members can read up on the OBC philosophy? Thigs like the Kevin Loese project, Lynn Miller auction (sorry Lynn if this is embarassing), Rick Redpath 1959 set quest, the 1962 TSN magazine project, Mike Manary cards for Children's Hospital, etc. would be highlighted. Items for inclusion ould be approved by OBCAC maybe. Just my thoughts. As a group, and individuals on a private basis, we have done some truly remarkable things. Last year when I had to go the emergency room and Mark Talbot found out, he showed up at the hospital with some healing power of cardboard. How many groups offer that kind of support. Another member from Ohio (was it John McLaughlin or Bill Malson or another)even offered to come up to Detroit and take care of me for a few days if I needed it. Mind you, at the time I had not even met them before. How many groups would have people who would even consider this kind of support. Forget the BS about Ebay bidding, and other recent "disagreements" for anyone in the group 3 years or more, I would think this is what they think of when they think of OBC. Cardboard is great, but the friendships and support mean so much more. For those who have not yet had a chance to meet another OBCer in person, it is comical in that as soon as you meet, it seems like you have known them for years. You are almost best friends. May we never lose the true OBC spirit that the founders established. I thank you for allowing me to be a part of this and hope I live up to the standards that have been established. Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Sponsor . ================= To: Subject: Rose & Canada Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 07:06:40 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Well Gals and Guys: Canada distinguishes itself once again (they say A-GAYNE), by NOT voting Pete Rose into their Hall of Fame. I thought they WOULD, but once again (A-GHENN American pronounciation) I wuz wrong. Perhaps the Spanish or Australian Halls of Fame will let Mr. Rose in....... However, Canadians did further distinguish themselves over the weekend whensome Canadian peace demonstrators took off their clothes and laid in the sun on a hill, spelling out the word PEACE. One potential demonstrator declined to strip due to the 44 degree weather (that's Fahrenheit, not celery-ous). Even though it was the weekend, I'm wondering if Constable Grant (Deputy Dawg in America) was an eyewitness or perhaps an arresting officer. (THOSE people were arresting, he'd say...) Just thought it would be helpful to keep y'all posted on what's going on across the border....... Mike Dee-owe-montey ================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:30:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Spirit To: talbotm@huronacademy.org, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, From: tply@aol.com Mark - Well said! As a long time member of OBC (close to 12 years I think) I can say with certainty you get it! Your message made me think and I have to say I am one that has been involved in the good and bad of this group (I hope more good than bad). I do have many old messages from the earlier days of this group and perhaps I will try to organize them (again) and share them with the group. If I don't do that I can share some very fond memories I have safely stored in my head. I am sure others have many messages they would be willing to share as well. Many are probably more organized than me and probably have some very valuable messages/memories all would be interested in. We probably need to consider having a historian for this group and perhaps the new OBCAC can consider this after the election. Some consideration as to how to organize our history would have to be addressed and I am sure the new AC could discuss and come up with a plan. I am not suggesting this as a job for the new AC, I am just putting it forward, like others, as a discussion As example of great historical "Random Acts of Kindness"; I remember the baseball for the teenager Josh mentioned, I remember the weekend we completed the 1975 Topps set for Kevin, I remember the auction, I remeber sending ZZBob a computer and cards when his was lost in a fire, I remember collecting enough to purchase a lift for a member's van for his disabled son, I remeber STAN HACK and DON HOAK and much, much more...... In any event I have really enjoyed reading the "Ramblings" discussing an interest in our history and I thank all of you that have taken the time to write them. Another Baseball Quote: "Poets are like baseball pitchers. Both have their moments. The intervals are the tough things." ---------Robert Frost Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:35:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: OBC-quality 50s and 60s lot on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2713447189&category=642 500+ cards, opening bid of $3. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:51:04 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-quality 50s and 60s lot on eBay To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com I'm going to keep my good eye on this one. Thanks Spike. In a message dated 02/25/2003 1:36:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, obc_spike@yahoo.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2713447189&category=642 > 500+ cards, opening bid of $3. > -- > Spike ================= To: "Diamanti" Subject: Joe Carter, Rose & Canada Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:18:04 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Joe is in, Pete is out. Geordie and Mike-occasionally we DO get the odd thing right up here. I believe they call it the Law of Averages. Bound to happen sooner or later. As for the Peace “peel-a-thon” I politely declined, since they wouldn’t let me take Pico out of drydock…too bad, as I am sure Pico would have made an appropriate statement of his own, right on cue. Well Gals and Guys: Canada distinguishes itself once again (they say A-GAYNE), by NOT voting Pete Rose into their Hall of Fame. I thought they WOULD, but once again (A-GHENN = American pronounciation) I wuz wrong. Perhaps the Spanish or Australian Halls of Fame will let Mr. Rose in....... However, Canadians did further distinguish themselves over the weekend when some Canadian peace demonstrators took off their clothes and laid in the sun on a hill, spelling out the word PEACE. One potential demonstrator declined to strip due to the 44 degree weather (that's Fahrenheit, not celery-ous). Even though it was the weekend, I'm wondering if Constable Grant (Deputy Dawg in America) was an eyewitness or perhaps an arresting officer. (THOSE people were arresting, he'd say...) Just thought it would be helpful to keep y'all posted on what's going on across the border....... Mike Dee-owe-montey Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: "obc" Subject: Thanks go out to Tom Housley Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:41:50 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Tom Housley makes me feel welcome to OBC by being the first member to hit me with some great cardboard. Tom strikes with a 5 bagger from assorted years 66' 67' and 71', including Bob Veale and the Toy Cannon and the hurlers beware [Callison- Richie Allen] I feel welcome already. Tom, I will hit back with return fire shortly. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 03:10:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Notice of Card show to FOOT members From: "mikesportsfan " To FOOT (Fraternal Order of Tiger fans) there is a card show this Sunday, March 2 at the Redford VFW. Mike Sandals has confirmed he will be setting up. Says he has lots of new messy boxes to go thru. If plannin on attending, please LMK. OBC hats are proper attire. Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 25 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:19:54 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1958 Topps 60, 152, 192, 200, 227, 276, 293, 297, 298, 335, 336, 339, 388, 406, 407, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 447, 448, 466 1957 Topps 115, 135, 142, 163, 178, 185, 255, 357, 364, 378, 405, 406 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: 26 Feb 2003 04:15:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Through 10:00 pm tonite I have received 75 ballots. Keep up the good work!! Just in case anyone still needs one I've enclosed the slate of For Facilitator, select for only one candidate. For Voting Member, select up to 8 candidates. I will announce the results immediately after the election ends. In the event of a tie for facilitator and/or for the last Voting Member position, a one week runoff election will be held immediately after the current election. Send completed ballot to me at obcjohn@knology.net. I will not publish the vote totals, in keeping with past election practices, but will be happy to furnish full vote counts to anyone who requests them. By the way, I do not cast a vote. Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Kent Goto Voting Member: Kent Goto Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Howard Morgan John McLaughlin Deadline for ballots is 12 noon, PST, Mar 1. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:17:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Card Show Coshocton, Ohio From: "trufan999 " Just an FYI for anyone that can make it. There will be a 20-25 vendor card show in Coshocton, Ohio which is approximtly 1 hour North of Zanesville this Saturday and Sunday. On Sunday, Greg Pruitt will be there for an autograph session. Hours are scheduled for 9am-6pm on both days. The show will be at Kids America Sports Complex. Kids America can be reached at (740)-622-6657 or you can email me for directions to the show. John Leroux ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:02:22 EST Subject: BB Recordings update To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com If you are sick of hearing about this quest of mine, then feel free to delete them. I am willing to stop sending them altogether, however it's listed in the "OBC Specialties" section of the website. I know these aren't cards, and I don't want to bug anyone, however it's part of my collection so I thought I would share. The most complete listing of BB recordings I have found is in the book "Everything Baseball" by Mote. He lists 172 different 78RPM and Cylinders. My list is currently at 223 recordings. If I had to guess I would assume there are probably 100 more out there, including alternate labels, scarce regional issues and promotional copies. I am adding 2-3 per week as I confirm their existence. The BIG NEWS is that today I received in the mail a 1908 copy of Take Me Out to the Ball Game by Harvey Hindermyer. It's rare for 2 reasons. First of all, it is on UNITED records, which could only be played on a United Record Player (kind of like the Betamax of its day). Second because it has the VERSES! Yep. For those of you that weren't aware. Take Me Out to the Ball Game has two verses. This is one of the very few recordings that contains the verses. I am really excited. The record is almost flawless and it plays very clearly for being 95 years old. Interestingly enough, I got a previously uncataloged version by the Ben Yost Singers on Sonora label today, but that isn't NEARLY as cool as finding a copy with the verses. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:09:05 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update From: Neal Thomas I think there are many of us who would love to hear the words to the second verse! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: t206guy@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update Date: 02/26/2003 02:02pm If you are sick of hearing about this quest of mine, then feel free to delete them. I am willing to stop sending them altogether, however it's listed in the "OBC Specialties" section of the website. I know these aren't cards, and I don't want to bug anyone, however it's part of my collection so I thought I would share. The most complete listing of BB recordings I have found is in the "Everything Baseball" by Mote. He lists 172 different 78RPM and My list is currently at 223 recordings. If I had to guess I would there are probably 100 more out there, including alternate labels, regional issues and promotional copies. I am adding 2-3 per week as confirm their existence. The BIG NEWS is that today I received in the mail a 1908 copy of Take Me Out to the Ball Game by Harvey Hindermyer. It's rare for 2 reasons. First of all, it is on UNITED records, which could only be played on a United Player (kind of like the Betamax of its day). Second because it has VERSES! Yep. For those of you that weren't aware. Take Me Out to the Ball Game has two verses. This is one of the very few recordings that the verses. I am really excited. The record is almost flawless and it plays very clearly for being 95 years old. Interestingly enough, I got a previously uncataloged version by the Ben Yost Singers on Sonora label today, but that isn't NEARLY as cool as finding a copy with the verses. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hodges scumped again for Hall Date: 26 Feb 2003 11:33:54 -0800 From: "John Collins" Just read the post on the Hall of Fame website, where nobody got the required 75% of the vote to be induced by the veterans committee this year. Gil Hodges led the way with 50 votes, but that was only 61% of the ballot. Roger Maris got 18 votes -- 22%. ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:03 -0600 To: Neal Thomas Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Neal Thomas wrote: > I think there are many of us who would love to hear the words to the > second verse! > Neal > ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- > Originally From: t206guy@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update > Date: 02/26/2003 02:02pm > Greetings > If you are sick of hearing about this quest of mine, then feel free > to delete > them. I am willing to stop sending them altogether, however it's > listed in > the "OBC Specialties" section of the website. I know these aren't > cards, and > I don't want to bug anyone, however it's part of my collection so I > thought I > would share. > The most complete listing of BB recordings I have found is in the > book > "Everything Baseball" by Mote. He lists 172 different 78RPM and > Cylinders. > My list is currently at 223 recordings. If I had to guess I would > assume > there are probably 100 more out there, including alternate labels, > scarce > regional issues and promotional copies. I am adding 2-3 per week as > I > confirm their existence. > The BIG NEWS is that today I received in the mail a 1908 copy of Take > Me Out > to the Ball Game by Harvey Hindermyer. It's rare for 2 reasons. > First of > all, it is on UNITED records, which could only be played on a United > Record > Player (kind of like the Betamax of its day). Second because it has > the > VERSES! Yep. For those of you that weren't aware. Take Me Out to > the Ball > Game has two verses. This is one of the very few recordings that > contains > the verses. I am really excited. The record is almost flawless and > it plays > very clearly for being 95 years old. > Interestingly enough, I got a previously uncataloged version by the > Ben Yost > Singers on Sonora label today, but that isn't NEARLY as cool as > finding a > copy with the verses. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 14:56:00 -0500 From: "robertdo@rt1solut.iserver.net" Found this through google! Take Me Out to the Ball Game 1908 Version Author: Jack Norworth =A9 Composer: Albert Von Tilzer Published on: 1908, 1927 Published by: York Music Company Katie Casey was base ball mad. Had the fever and had it bad; Just to root for the home town crew, Ev'ry sou Katie blew. On a Saturday, he young beau Called to see if she'd like to go, To see a show but Miss Kate said, "No, I'll tell you what you can do." "Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out, At the old ball game." Katie Casey saw all the games, Knew the players by their first names; Told the umpire he was wrong, All along good and strong. When the score was just two to two, Katie Casey knew what to do, Just to cheer up the boys she knew, She made the gang sing this song: "Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out, At the old ball game." Take Me Out to the Ball Game 1927 Version Author: Jack Norworth =A9 Composer: Albert Von Tilzer Published on: 1908, 1927 Published by: York Music Company Nelly Kelly love baseball games, Knew the players, knew all their names, You could see her there ev'ry day, Shout "Hurray," when they'd play. Her boy friend by the name of Joe Said, "To Coney Isle, dear, let's go," Then Nelly started to fret and pout, And to him I heard her shout. "Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out, At the old ball game." Nelly Kelly was sure some fan, She would root just like any man, Told the umpire he was wrong, All along, good and strong. When the score was just two to two, Nelly Kelly knew what to do, Just to cheer up the boys she knew, She made the gang sing this song. "Take me out to the ball game, Take me out with the crowd. Buy me some peanuts and cracker jack, I don't care if I never get back, Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win it's a shame. For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out, At the old ball game." Original Message: From: Dr. John V Harrell jharrell@huntingdon.edu Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:03 -0600 To: nthomas@pol.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update Neal Thomas wrote: > I think there are many of us who would love to hear the words to the > second verse! > Neal > ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- > Originally From: t206guy@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Recordings update > Date: 02/26/2003 02:02pm > Greetings > If you are sick of hearing about this quest of mine, then feel free > to delete > them. I am willing to stop sending them altogether, however it's > listed in > the "OBC Specialties" section of the website. I know these aren't > cards, and > I don't want to bug anyone, however it's part of my collection so I > thought I > would share. > The most complete listing of BB recordings I have found is in the > book > "Everything Baseball" by Mote. He lists 172 different 78RPM and > Cylinders. > My list is currently at 223 recordings. If I had to guess I would > assume > there are probably 100 more out there, including alternate labels, > scarce > regional issues and promotional copies. I am adding 2-3 per week as > I > confirm their existence. > The BIG NEWS is that today I received in the mail a 1908 copy of Take > Me Out > to the Ball Game by Harvey Hindermyer. It's rare for 2 reasons. > First of > all, it is on UNITED records, which could only be played on a United > Record > Player (kind of like the Betamax of its day). Second because it has > the > VERSES! Yep. For those of you that weren't aware. Take Me Out to > the Ball > Game has two verses. This is one of the very few recordings that > contains > the verses. I am really excited. The record is almost flawless and > it plays > very clearly for being 95 years old. > Interestingly enough, I got a previously uncataloged version by the > Ben Yost > Singers on Sonora label today, but that isn't NEARLY as cool as > finding a > copy with the verses. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:08:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Laughable eBay item From: directorth@aol.com Anyone got an extra 15 grand? Title of item: tops 1952 andy pafko number 1 card Seller: ahdecamp Starts: Feb-23-03 10:06:13 PST Ends: Mar-02-03 10:06:13 PST Price: Starts at $15,000.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2713040014 ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:48:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Ultimate "Wait Till Next Year" card bio From: "jmoleta30341 " I got a good laugh out of this one, courtesy of a trade w/ Bob Donaldson. The bio writer may have been half in the bag, or up really, really late when he penned this one...or maybe Judson's mom subbed young Howie's bio? Howie Judson's 1950 Bowman Bio: "You can't always go by the record. Take Howie Judson, for instance. Howie's record in 1949 was one win and 14 losses. But the White Sox just weren't pounding the ball. A pitcher can't get far behind with a weak-hitting ballclub behind him. When heavier stickwork backs his efforts on the mound, Howie may go places. He's young, strong, I'm laughing again just typing it! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: hat Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:07:17 -0600 From: "terry ellis" i got a obc hat in mail today. i dont remember ordering one , but where do i send money to pay for it? kit okamuro Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 88/89,89/90 flerr basketball available Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 16:21:14 -0600 From: "terry ellis" 88/89 fleer basketball singles available have thousandslmk. starter sets availabletoo. kit okamuro also89/90 stickers Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Who collected rugby cigarette cards? Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:30:25 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" A while back I posted up some cigarette card availables which included some old rugby stuff. I've got three more, but can't remember who it was that collected these! Whoever you are, send me a reminder so that I can add these to your Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: james_moleta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Ultimate "Wait Till Next Year" card bio Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:38:31 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Here's why Howie got such a friendly bio. Bowman was short on cash, but they still had to pay players for the right to put their picture on a card. Here's an excerpt from the contract players signed: "Check the box that applies to you: 1. My record speaks for itself. (Not recommended) 2. I would like Bowman to write a truthful biography of me. (Not 3. I would like my mother to write a truthful biography of me. 4. I would like Bowman to put some silly "greatest moments in baseball" feature on the back of my card. Please note that players checking boxes 1 or 2* will be paid $50 for the rights to their photograph. Players checking box 3 will be paid $0 for their photograph. Players checking box 4 may be called upon to sign a ghostwritten "My Advice to Youngsters," in which case they will be paid $25 for their photograph, but laughed at on internet discussion lists, whatever those are, if they are ever invented. *Don't do this if your name isn't Mickey Mantle. Now that's just good business. Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com Howie Judson's 1950 Bowman Bio: "You can't always go by the record. Take Howie Judson, for instance. Howie's record in 1949 was one win and 14 losses. But the White Sox just weren't pounding the ball. A pitcher can't get far behind with a weak-hitting ballclub behind him. When heavier stickwork backs his efforts on the mound, Howie may go places. He's young, strong, I'm laughing again just typing it! Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:58:11 EST Subject: The ultimate OBC type card project? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Here's a scary thought I had while looking through my SCD Catalog... I wonder what percentage of the sets listed in the "vintage" section that at least one member of OBC could say they have at least one example of in their collection? In other words, if we were to combine everyone's holdings, what percentage of the vintage set types listed would be represented by the group? We're not just talking pre-war here - there are many, many sets listed that I don't think I've ever seen, never mind owned. For example, a random page flip of the 2002 edition lands me on page 163 with the following sets: 1910 J=K Candy 1969 Jack in the Box Angels 1971 Jack in the Box Angels 1970 Jack in the Box Pirates 1954 Bill Jacobellis NY Giants 1958-62 Jay Publishing 5x7 Photo Type 1 I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't do too well there (o-fer). We won't mention the sets that aren't listed in the Catalog, either. What would OBC's composite result be? Would it be 50%? Less? More? Ponderous, man...really ponderous... At this point I know what you're thinking...but as much as I'd love to take the project on, I simply don't have the time :-) It's fun to think about though, isn't it? Happy Collecting! ================= To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The ultimate OBC type card project? Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:43:02 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" This is a cool idea. I don't think it'd be THAT labor intensive to do...I would volunteer to take charge, though I might not be the ideal choice, since I'll be out of town for two of the next four weeks, and away from my computer for a good chunk of that time. Here's how I would propose working it: Someone would do one of the following: 1. Type up a list of sets (labor-intensive, but probably better) 2. Scan the pages in the chronological index in SCD (not as useful, but not labor intensive) Then, that person would post those scans on a webpage, with checkmarks or something next to the appropriate sets listed. OBCers would submit lists of type cards they have (based on those that haven't yet been "checked off" the overall list). Every few days, the master list would be updated (in the case of a typed list) or re-scanned (in the case of scanning the index As a very simple corollary project to do simultaneously, we could keep track of which sets have been completed by OBCers ... I think that would be interesting, as well. Personally, I'd be surprised if OBC didn't have at least 50% of the pre-'80 types, possible much, much more. I'll bet that just a few guys (Joshua Levine and his Phillies collection come to mind) would account for huge chunks of the total number of sets. And then, of course, there are the type card collectors. And, of course, there is Andy Baran, who has all the old impossible type cards so we can all drool over them. Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com Here's a scary thought I had while looking through my SCD Catalog... I wonder what percentage of the sets listed in the "vintage" section that at least one member of OBC could say they have at least one example of in their collection? In other words, if we were to combine everyone's holdings, what percentage of the vintage set types listed would be represented by the We're not just talking pre-war here - there are many, many sets listed I don't think I've ever seen, never mind owned. For example, a random page flip of the 2002 edition lands me on page 163 with the following sets: 1910 J=K Candy 1969 Jack in the Box Angels 1971 Jack in the Box Angels 1970 Jack in the Box Pirates 1954 Bill Jacobellis NY Giants 1958-62 Jay Publishing 5x7 Photo Type 1 I don't know about you, but I certainly didn't do too well there (o-fer). won't mention the sets that aren't listed in the Catalog, either. What OBC's composite result be? Would it be 50%? Less? More? Ponderous, man...really ponderous... At this point I know what you're thinking...but as much as I'd love to take the project on, I simply don't have the time :-) It's fun to think about though, isn't it? Happy Collecting! Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 17:05:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Ultimate "Wait Till Next Year" card bio To: "jmoleta30341 " , From: Chris Stufflestreet I'm reminded of the immortal words of Sy Berger, talking about how he wrote all the bios for the '52 Topps set: "Jesus, it was murder. You don't know the agony of trying to think up something nice to say about some guy who hit .176 last year and made 25 errors. What can you say...'This guy stinks'?" --- "jmoleta30341 " wrote: > I got a good laugh out of this one, courtesy of a > trade w/ Bob > Donaldson. The bio writer may have been half in the > bag, or up > really, really late when he penned this one...or > maybe Judson's mom > subbed young Howie's bio? > Howie Judson's 1950 Bowman Bio: > "You can't always go by the record. Take Howie > Judson, for instance. > Howie's record in 1949 was one win and 14 losses. > But the White Sox > just weren't pounding the ball. A pitcher can't get > far behind with a > weak-hitting ballclub behind him. When heavier > stickwork backs his > efforts on the mound, Howie may go places. He's > young, strong, > capable." > I'm laughing again just typing it! > James Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:56:44 EST Subject: The Rest of the Story To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Laugh all you want about Howie Judson, but he had his day in the sun. In Illinois basketball tournaments in the 40's every team played in one class. Little school, big school, one tournament. Howie and his brother, whose name escapes me at the moment lead Hebron (the population now is 800, not much different then) to the Illinois state high school basketball championship, beating the big Chicago teams and the very tough southern Illinois teams. There were only six players on the team. As I recall there were less than 60 students in the high school. To this day its the biggest shock in Illinois basketball history. Now I would have been about 1 year old when that happened, but many times a year we drove through Hebron on the way to my grandfather's. He lived in Wisconsin just across the line. I'll bet they still have the "state basketball champion" sign at the city limits. And now you know the rest of the story ......Doug ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:06:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rest of the Story To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com sounds like "Hoosiers" doug ================= Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:49:10 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rest of the Story To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/26/2003 9:06:29 PM Central Standard Time, Smartalecx > sounds like "Hoosiers" doug Yep. Real thing. But how can a Hoosier be from Illinois? - Doug ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 26 Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:50:17 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1963 Topps 16, 23, 26, 31, 39, 49, 55, 63, 73, 75, 79, 87x2, 94, 98, 99x2, 100, 101, 149, 152, 182, 184, 186, 261, 290 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:53:28 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: France's Unpaid Debt by: Andy Rooney/ Jim Hatch sends Jack Tatum From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 08:52:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1972 Fleer Willie Mays To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2713116575&category=2930 Of course, it's actually Topps. Only $.06 at the moment! ($2.50 postage) Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Santo get denied Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:42:52 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I've been out of town for a couple of days and just got back to my computer and need to vent about my HOMer, Ron Santo getting shunned for the Hall - what a farce! Just because the Cubs had three Hall of Famers on those crappy teams that didn't win anything (Jenkins, Banks, Williams), I guess somebody feels a fourth is too much. Santo ranks right up there with the best of his day, and as far as his spirit, it was infectious. The LA Times had a great article on him the day before the vote talking about his battle as a player with diabetes. He lost a leg a couple of years ago, and this year the disease took his other one. He had a 65% chance of keeping it, but if it didn't work out he would have missed the season broadcasting Cub games. He didn't want ot miss his beloved Cubs, so he told the docs to take it off! If you ever hear him on the radio, it's a pure pleasure to hear somebody so attached to his team. The paper had a picture of his fake leg that is painted white with blue pinstripes with his number 10 on it. Go look at his stats, that should get him in - but if that's not enough, look at the man and his love of the game. Santo needs to be in the Hall - Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. ================= Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:58:06 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: card show in Philly From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...those of you going to the show in Fairless Hills, PA on March 9th be sure to wish Johnny "Happy Birthday" (Mar 12). Have fun! =================== THE BIG SPORTS CARD/ Autograph AND Collectibles SHOW is Coming Sunday MARCH 9th 610 Wistar RD Fairless Hills PA FREE ADMISSION Bucks County Technical School (5 min from Oxford Valley Mall) Meet 13 Legends and some terrific local and National Dealers Meet 6 Football HOFers Chuck Bednarik-12-2 Yale Larry 11-1 Leroy Kelly 11-12 Jim Parker 12-1:30 John Mackey 12-1:30 Gino Marchetti 12-1 Meet 5 Baseball Icons Johnny Callison 11-12:30 Paul Blair 1-3 Dennis Bennett 10-1 Alex Johnson (former Batting Champ) 10:30-1 Art Mahaffey 10:30-12:30 BOXING Legends Chuck Wepner and Leon Spinks Time TBA All autographs are $6-10 ea at the show only depending on player. We also offer mail order if you can't attend. For Directions or Pricing e-mail me or call Neil at 215-579-0731. ==================== This guy's eBay name is apoppel. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas (Ph03) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Rick Redpath update Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:03:01 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Just got off the phone with Rick Redpath. He sounded great! In a week he is headed down to Ft. Meyers to catch the Red Sox in spring training and has even been able to hit a few wantlists. Hopefully, we can try and set up a New England get together at a local card show (or shop) with Rick. ================= Date: 28 Feb 2003 02:19:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Vote count is up to 80 ballots. Remember the deadline for ballots is this Saturday. The slate of canddates isw enclosed. For Facilitator, select for only one candidate. For Voting Member, select up to 8 candidates. I will announce the results immediately after the election ends. In the event of a tie for facilitator and/or for the last Voting Member position, a one week runoff election will be held immediately after the current election. send your completed ballot to me at obcjohn@knology.net. I will not publish the vote totals, in keeping with past election practices, but will be happy to furnish full vote counts to anyone who requests them. By the way, I do not cast a vote. Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Kent Goto Voting Member: Kent Goto Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Howard Morgan John McLaughlin Deadline for ballots is 12 noon, PST, Mar 1. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Sun Times Show Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:49:18 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Anyone up for the Chicago Sun Times Show in Rosemont March 15th weekend? George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:15:41 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Redpath update To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Talk about good news...Rick sure is a fighter and it is great to hear him doing so well...GO SOX!! (For those of you confused...Phillies all time favorite, Dodgers by geography, and Red Sox for American Leauge teams and east coast teams) ================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:31:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Rick Redpath update From: "alcattle " You forgot the other rule of teams you root for. Anyone but the Yankees!! Big Al in Seattle also very happy for the good news --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > Talk about good news...Rick sure is a fighter and it is great to hear him > doing so well...GO SOX!! > -Joshua > (For those of you confused...Phillies all time favorite, Dodgers by > geography, and Red Sox for American Leauge teams and east coast ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 27 Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:34:02 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1968 Topps 12x2, 14x2, 15, 18x3, 19x4, 21, 23, 24x3, 28x3, 29, 31x2, 32x2, 34x2, 36, 38x2, 42x2, 43x2, 44, 47x2, 48, 49x2, 51x3, 52, 53x2, 56x2, 57, 59, 60, 61, 62, 64x2, 66x2, 67x2, 68x3, 71x2, 74, 76, 77, 78, 79, 84, 89x2, 90, 91x2, 93x3, 94, 96, 98x2, 99, 105, 106, 107, 108x3, 117, 120, 124, 127,146, 147, 149x2, 153, 161, 165, 172, 176, 183, 185, 189, 192x2, 193, 197, 199, 200, 206, 207x2, 212, 213, 216x2, 217, 219, 221, 222, 223, 224x2, 225,226, 227, 229, 231, 232, 237x2, 238x2, 243, 244, 245x2, 248, 253, 254, 255x2, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 264x2, 265, 266x2, 267, 269, 270, 271, 274, 276, 277, 278, 281, 282, 283, 285, 299, 304, 305, 318, 322, 324, 329, 331, 334, 337, 343, 344, 347, 358, 382, 386x2, 388, 389, 393, 394, 400, 403, 404,406, 407, 409x2, 411x2, 413, 416, 418, 421, 423, 426, 430, 438, 439, 442x2, 443, 444, 448, 449, 453, 456x2, 457, 459, 474x3, 484, 493x2, 507, 537, 548, 570, 586 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:46:38 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Attachments! From: Originaleek@webtv.net I've recently received several messages with attachments supposedly from OBC addresses. I'm not concerned about viruses because I use WebTV, but just a heads up to others that the hacker geeks are at it again. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:59:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Larker - Last Card! From: "jimbo777777 " I have a couple of ebay lots, and one dealer lot due in this week. If they all come in, I'll be down to just one card to finish the 1962 Post Cereal set. The card is #113 Norm Larker. Anybody want to be a hero? Trade offers also welcomed. ================= Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 19:48:06 -0500 Subject: Conspiracy Theory To: obc ramblings From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I have been trying to get to the Ft. Washington show for years. I really thought this weekend was going to be it. I have to believe the baseball cards gods just don't want me to make the two-hour pilgrimage north to Pennsylvania (or to meet any other OBCers). So what happened: Well to start with Columbia, MD was hit with about two to three feet of snow two-weeks ago. Not really a big deal for someone who grew up south of Buffalo--but my eight-year old daughter's piano recital was cancelled and rescheduled for early tomorrow afternoon. Last weekend I spent five+ hours trying to keep my basement from flooding when we received 2 1/2 inches of rain in about 24-hours. This was a pretty big deal--saved my basement but at the same time one of my garage door springs snapped. I think garage door companies may be worse than plumbers with what they charge as an hourly rate. Monday the water pump was replaced in my car. I was still hoping to go even as late as this morning when I got directions from Steve Rittenberg. But I decided I really had to save a few dollars and have asked a friend to help me fix the garage door tomorrow morning. With the luck I have had the last couple of weeks--I figure that if I traveled north I would probably miss the recital--and that simply wasn't going to happen. So enjoy the show--I will enjoy listening to "skip to my lou." So all of the cards I pulled for Steve, the Fuge, Ed Schott, Ken, Andy and others will have to go out in the mail instead. I have already invited my mother-in-law for the weekend of the next show--so I won't have any excuse for not making it. Looking forward to it-- have fun, peter mead ================= Date: 1 Mar 2003 03:11:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Final Election Update From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Vote count is up to 82. Both voting member and facilitator elections are tight so be sure your choices are made known. Remember, voting ends tomorrow at 12:00 noon, PST. The slate of candidates is given below: For Facilitator, select for only one candidate. For Voting Member, select up to 8 candidates. I will announce the results immediately after the election ends. In the event of a tie for facilitator and/or for the last Voting Member position, a one week runoff election will be held immediately after the current election. Send your completed ballot to me at obcjohn@knology.net. I will not publish the vote totals, in keeping with past election practices, but will be happy to furnish full vote counts to anyone who requests them. By the way, I do not cast a vote. Joshua Levine Steve Rittenberg Geno Wagner Kent Goto Voting Member: Kent Goto Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Al Cummings David Kolenda Joshua Levine Doug Smith Geno Wagner Tom Williams Grant Rainsley Doug DeJong Mike Kinney Rick Ellison Bob Reed Bob D'Angelo Howard Morgan John McLaughlin Get those votes in!! ================= Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 00:05:32 EST Subject: wow To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com ok, trolling thru ebay tonite and i stumbled across this. it's incomplete but you tigger collectors might be interested nonetheless: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2714013720&category=2929 ================= To: Subject: Anniversary Availables Day 28 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:24:29 -0800 From: "AL Cummings" This month marks my 10th year in OBC. I just cannot describe how great thisgroup has been to me. I have made friends that I hope will last for my lifetime. For something Special, I will be offering cards every day this month. If you want something just ask. I will keep track and mail them out as time permits. No minimums and no limits. Feel free to start a new set or ask for a type card. Please, I want to hit 150 people this month. Thank you forenjoying my silly game. 1966 Topps 14, 16x2, 20x3, 22x2, 25x2, 26, 28, 31, 41, 42, 49x3, 56x3, 57, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66, 68x2, 69x3, 74, 78x2, 82x2, 85x2, 86x2, 87, 91, 98, 100, 103, 105, 108, 109, 124, 131, 140, 149, 150, 152, 153x2, 157, 166, 170x2,171x2, 173x2, 174x2, 178x3, 179, 180, 181x2 Big Al in Seattle