================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Santa is a sadist! Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 12:58:46 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Greetings all - nothing much to report here, with the exception of the arrival of my OBC Santa gift. Is Santa sadistic? This OBCer thinks so! 25 days to go....the struggle begins Thanks Santa! ;>) ================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:29:43 EST Subject: The pot calling the kettle black? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Warning: this has nothing to do with "old" cards, but I thought it was quite Take a peek at this auction title...Freudian slip?? Perhaps the seller should be labeled as such, given that it's "worth hundreds" with such a bargain basement starting bid... eBay item 2770053217 (Ends Dec-08-03 09:13:15 PST) - Pete Rose Topps Mint Con. Manager card Happy Collecting! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The pot calling the kettle black? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 20:58:09 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I emailed this moron and politlely set him/her straight. I said others might also point out the "error". It would be funny if about 100 of us sent polite emails! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:29 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The pot calling the kettle black? Warning: this has nothing to do with "old" cards, but I thought it was quite Take a peek at this auction title...Freudian slip?? Perhaps the seller should be labeled as such, given that it's "worth hundreds" with such a bargain basement starting bid... eBay item 2770053217 (Ends Dec-08-03 09:13:15 PST) - Pete Rose Topps MintCon. Manager card Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The pot calling the kettle black? Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 18:58:13 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Surprising he doesn't have a sizeable reserve on this baby! After all, it's worth hundreds..hundreds of what, I don't know. Warning: this has nothing to do with "old" cards, but I thought it was quite funny. Take a peek at this auction title...Freudian slip?? Perhaps the seller should be labeled as such, given that it's "worth hundreds" with such a bargain basement starting bid... item 2770053217 (Ends Dec-08-03 09:13:15 PST) - Pete Rose Topps Mint Con. Manager card Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor click here . ================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 00:16:57 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Intangibles From: digdugdig@webtv.net Thanks are not here for incoming cardboard, but for the "intangibles" of OBC that I keep hearing about. I do not get a lot of phone calls...well...except to lower my mortgage rate, credit card deal, or try Viagra, etc. (Even on Sundays...Father Pat...isn't this supposed to be a day of rest??...You're gonna have to talk to these folks!!) Anywho...I was totally...or is that TOtally blown away this past Saturday night when I received a phone call from Kent Montgomery. A personal thanks for a few cards sent...touched the heart and soul...a classic example of giving is better than recieving!! Although, I think I got the better of the deal!! Thanks Kent...there are things in your lifetime that you never forget...I think this is yet another...!! Thanks OBC... 'Nuff said....D ================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:35:17 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Intangibles To: digdugdig@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Well said! Happy Holiday OBC! ================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:58:07 EST Subject: Help, Louisville, KY To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Anyone live in the Louisville, KY area? I am having a problem with a seller and feel maybe a little personal facetime might resolve the issue. Bought a felt for 23 bucks and have not seen, no e-mail, etc. after a month. Should have checked his feedback which sucks (autograf is his handle). Tom Boblitt 11503 Saratoga Hill Court Louisville, KY 40299-4390 Please let me know if any of you have had any dealing with him or his alter ego, Harold. ================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:37:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tuesday night chat! To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Anyone going in the chat room tonight?????? Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A very special visitor to Glasgow Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:44:39 +0000 From: Glenn OK, guys….here’s the answer to the not-so-cryptic messages that I sent out a few weeks back. Tomorrow afternoon (Thursday), Maureen and I will go to Glasgow Queen Street train station, where we will collect a certain Mr Bobby Thomson, along with his daughter and son-in-law. We’re taking Bobby along to the street where he was born – or at least as close as we can, as it doesn’t actually exit anymore – followed by a short tour around the city and a late lunch. We’ll then drive them back through to their hotel in Edinburgh, where Bobby will be inducted into the Scottish Sports Hall Of Fame on Friday. This will, I believe, be Bobby’s first trip back to the land of his birth since leaving at the age of 2. From what I’ve heard, he’s looking forward to it immensely – and for obvious reasons so am I! I’ll be taking a number of photos to commemorate the occasion, and I’ll share them with you as soon as I can. There does seem to be one small problem though. I was going to give Bobby a rather excellent bottle of Scotch malt whisky as a gift, but his tipple of choice (I’ve been informed) is vodka. Man, he really has been away from the old country too long!! Wish me luck! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 17:55:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The pot calling the kettle black? To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I see that this knucklehead seller "ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale." Score another one for the good guys! Happy Collecting! In a message dated 12/1/2003 8:59:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net writes: > I emailed this moron and politlely set him/her straight. I said > others might also point out the "error". It would be funny > if about 100 of us sent polite emails! :) > Sean > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 6:29 PM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The pot calling the kettle black? >> Warning: this has nothing to do with "old" cards, but I thought it was >> quite funny. >> Take a peek at this auction title...Freudian slip?? >> Perhaps the seller should be labeled as such, given that it's "worth >> hundreds" with such a bargain basement starting bid... >> eBay item 2770053217 (Ends Dec-08-03 09:13:15 PST) - Pete Rose Topps Mint >> Con. Manager card >> Happy Collecting! >> Jim ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 19:36:24 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Boblitt / attn: WITE From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 22:41:52 EST Subject: OBC LI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey guys: Still working on logistics for us NY Metro OBC'ers to get together--stay tuned. If I am able to pull off the LI gathering, I think it would probably be the Tuesday after Christmas. It is still up in the air though. I should know better by this weekend hopefully. ================= Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 08:35:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, glenncodere@yahoo.com Subject: A very special visitor to Glasgow - wow! From: Jerry Coker > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2003 14:44:39 +0000 > From: Glenn > Subject: A very special visitor to Glasgow > OK, guys….here’s the answer to the not-so-cryptic messages that I sent out a few weeks back. > Tomorrow afternoon (Thursday), Maureen and I will go to Glasgow Queen Street train station, where we will collect a certain Mr Bobby Thomson, along with his daughter and son-in-law. We’re taking Bobby along to the street where he was born – or at least as close as we can, as it doesn’t actually exit anymore – followed by a short tour around the city and a late lunch. We’ll then drive them back through to their hotel in Edinburgh, where Bobby will be inducted into the Scottish Sports Hall Of Fame on Friday. > This will, I believe, be Bobby’s first trip back to the land of his birth since leaving at the age of 2. From what I’ve heard, he’s looking forward to it immensely – and for obvious reasons so am I! > I’ll be taking a number of photos to commemorate the occasion, and I’ll share them with you as soon as I can. > There does seem to be one small problem though. I was going to give Bobby a rather excellent bottle of Scotch malt whisky as a gift, but his tipple of choice (I’ve been informed) is vodka. Man, he really has been away from the old country too long!! > Wish me luck! Whoa...very cool Glen!! You lucky dog :) Seriously...another example of what OBC is all about. Man I wish I could be there. Have fun! Jerry Coker ================= Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2003 15:30:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Debbie's health From: brockhattox@cs.com Some of you know that Debbie had an excision biopsy this week at Hillcrest Hospital in Cleveland, OH. We just returned from the surgeon's office where we learned that the lesion is cancerous. She will be having a masectomy on Tuesday, and we will stay here for a few weeks while she recovers. Because the lesion was small, the surgeon is 95% confident that the lymph system is not involved. Please pray for Debbie's health and our strength, Brock H. ================= Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 03:17:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1961 Post Baseball From: "jimbo777777" The big push is just about over. I'm down to just four more to complete the set, and they're all tough ones: Jim Lemon, Roy McMillan, Frank Thomas, and the dreaded Chuck Estrada. These last four may take awhile! In the meantime, though, two more '61 extras are on the waiver wire. As usual, they're not for the faint of heart - Wally Moon, #159, Picture and stats in nice shape, but writing on the narrative, and #70, Gene Woodling, similar condition. Anybody want to give these guys a good home? They've given me years of good service, but since I was on a binge, I heartlessly upgraded them..... ================= Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 13:09:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cooperstown- Good news/bad news From: "klsdad2000" I'm in Buffalo for a wedding and the Jets game this weekend. I ran over to Cooperstown yesterday to visit the Hall of Fame again. The good news is I've been twice before and got to see it all then; the bad news is I'd been there before and knew what I was missing. Less cryptically ........ the place is undergoing major reconstruction and not scheduled to be done until 2005. I'd recommend putting off that much planned trip until then!! ================= To: Subject: 53 Satch Paige Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:54:40 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" OBC world, A fellow emailed me asking if I had a scan of the back of my great 53 Paige(which showed up one day in an incredible random act of kindness from Mr. Morganti by the way!!) The guy wondered if he could have an error card when he noticed that the quiz answer (upside down in the bottom right corner) states 1907-1986. That should make a guy suspicious seeing that on a card printed in 1953... I immediately thought the guy had an 1991 Archives card, which made me think...well he's looking at the back of the card and he doesn't see the very noticeable TOPPS ARCHIVES wording........But my great RAOK Paige card has the same thing !!! ( So does the Archive copy btw) I told him that I'd scan it for him this weekend, but who knows what time will be leftover after I try to hit all of your wantlists , compile my OBC Santa gift and decorate the Christmas tree ??? Can someone take a look at their card and look for the misleading quiz answer I know the experts in this group will help out !! OBC Forever ================= To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 01:22:52 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" That's not an error. The question is "Who holds the AL record for chances accepted in a season?" In 1907 John A. Donahue of the Chicago White Sox has 1846 assists and 140 put outs for a total of 1986 chances. So the 1907-1986 is the year he did it and the total number of chances. >From: "Brian Lindholme" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:54:40 -0800 >OBC world, >A fellow emailed me asking if I had a scan of the back of my great 53 Paige >(which showed up one day in an incredible random act of kindness from Mr. >Morganti by the way!!) >The guy wondered if he could have an error card when he noticed that the >quiz answer (upside down in the bottom right corner) states 1907-1986. >That should make a guy suspicious seeing that on a card printed in 1953... >I immediately thought the guy had an 1991 Archives card, which made me >think...well he's looking at the back of the card and he doesn't see the >very noticeable TOPPS ARCHIVES wording........But my great RAOK Paige card >has the same thing !!! ( So does the Archive copy btw) >I told him that I'd scan it for him this weekend, but who knows what time >will be leftover after I try to hit all of your wantlists , compile my OBC >Santa gift and decorate the Christmas tree ??? >Can someone take a look at their card and look for the misleading quiz >answer ?? >I know the experts in this group will help out !! >OBC Forever Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com ================= To: "Bob Reed" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 23:15:19 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Oh, boy do I feel dumb ! But thanks for saving me the trouble of un-burying my scanner from underneath the pile of baseball cards that are sitting on I hope this guy has a REAL Satch Paige afterall... Thanks Bob... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reed" To: ; Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 10:22 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige > Brian, > That's not an error. The question is "Who holds the AL record for chances > accepted in a season?" In 1907 John A. Donahue of the Chicago White Sox > 1846 assists and 140 put outs for a total of 1986 chances. So the > is the year he did it and the total number of chances. > -Bob > >From: "Brian Lindholme" > >To: > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige > >Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 21:54:40 -0800 > > > >OBC world, > >A fellow emailed me asking if I had a scan of the back of my great 53 > >(which showed up one day in an incredible random act of kindness from Mr. > >Morganti by the way!!) > > > >The guy wondered if he could have an error card when he noticed that the > >quiz answer (upside down in the bottom right corner) states 1907-1986. > >That should make a guy suspicious seeing that on a card printed in > > > >I immediately thought the guy had an 1991 Archives card, which made me > >think...well he's looking at the back of the card and he doesn't see the > >very noticeable TOPPS ARCHIVES wording........But my great RAOK Paige > >has the same thing !!! ( So does the Archive copy btw) > > > >I told him that I'd scan it for him this weekend, but who knows what time > >will be leftover after I try to hit all of your wantlists , compile my > >Santa gift and decorate the Christmas tree ??? > > > >Can someone take a look at their card and look for the misleading quiz > >answer ?? > >I know the experts in this group will help out !! > >Thanks, > >OBC Forever > > > >Brian > _________________________________________________________________ > Browse styles for all ages, from the latest looks to cozy weekend wear at > MSN Shopping. And check out the beauty products! http://shopping.msn.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:52:22 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com The Answer - Jiggs Donohue had 1986 chances in 1907 (although through the magic of instant replay the number has increased to 1998). His 1846 put outs in 1907 is still a record too. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 09:56:49 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 53 Satch Paige To: familytoad@harborside.com, boreed@hotmail.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Opps - 1846 putouts, 140 assists, and 12 errors gets to the 1998. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2003 16:08:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1961 Post Availables From: "jimbo777777" Still looking for a home for #159 Wally Moon, good picture, good stats, but on the narrative and on the back, somebody tried to turn him into Gordon Windhorn. Also, a new one this morning, #105 Harvey Keunn. Good news, no writing. Bad news, Harvey was wet at some point in his travels. He dried pretty well, but does have a stain and some warping. I actually hadn't planned on replacing this one, it's still relatively nice, but a guy I was buying from had one available cheap. Anybody want to give Harvey and the MoonMan a good home? ================= To: seanobc@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cool HOMer! Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 15:26:58 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I just rolled back into town after a week away and was pleasantly surprised by a very cool card of my HOMer - Ron Santo! It's a recent Topps Fan's Favorite card showing Santo on his 1966 card. Very cool and definitely deserving of my mini-Santo binder - thanks, Sean! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 19:09:43 EST Subject: OBC LI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com I am pretty confident the informal Long Island OBC gathering will come off. The plan is for an informal swap and meet session at my house (primarily the basement) on the Tuesday after Christmas. I would think from early afternoon until around dinner time. E-mail me off list if you are going to attend. I can comfortably fit about 6-7 people in the basement (living room will be full of presents and the tree) and squeeze in a couple more if necessary. I am in Lindenhurst, which is south shore Long Island just into Suffolk County - about an hour's drive with no traffic from NYC. With traffic it can take considerably longer! I'll send directions out once everything is firmed up (and I can get back into work, where they are stored on my PC; right now we have about 16" of snow so that may not happen on Monday-darn....). ================= Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:11:00 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: [Fwd: New Cubs Book] From: Lynn Miller This might be of interest to a few of you. And maybe even an OBC Santa -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New Cubs Book Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 10:31:54 EST From: KJewettAssoc@aol.com To: lynnm@piol.net Dear Long-Suffering Cubbie Fan, Have you heard about the new Cubs book that's just come out... just in time for Christmas? It's called THE CUBS ON CATALINA: A Scrapbookful of Memories About a 30-Year Love-Affair Between One of Baseball's Classic Teams... and California's Most Fanciful Isle. Hundreds of great pictures, plenty of great stories -- about great Cub ballplayers, as well as movie stars (like Marilyn Monroe) and even the young radio broadcaster, Ronald "Dutch" Reagan! It's at bookstores, or buy it online from Barnes&Noble.com: Barnes & Noble.com - The Cubs on Catalina Happy Holidays -- We'll get 'em next year!! ================= Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 11:10:07 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: favorite vintage pennant race From: Jerry Coker I read a book recently called The Unforgettable Season. It was about the 1908 NL Pennant race. After reading the book I got to wondering what other great pennant races (NOT World Series's) there have been in baseball. Lets say only pennant races between 1903-1970. I guess my definition of great PR's is that two or more teams had to fight it out to about the last game of the season. So...my question to you is: What was YOUR favorite vintage pennant race? I guess a secondary question is, can you recommend a good book about famous pennant races, or about a particular PR? My vote right now is the 1908 PR since it had a little bit of everything. I highly recommend the book I mention above for all the details. Particularly if you collect the T-206 or T-205 cards/sets :) Jerry Coker ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 12:18:51 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Great book! But I'd have to vote for the 1967 AL Pennat race. With the Wild card I'm afraid it will never be the same. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Coker" To: Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race > I read a book recently called The Unforgettable Season. It was about > the 1908 NL Pennant race. After reading the book I got to wondering > what other great pennant races (NOT World Series's) there have been in > baseball. Lets say only pennant races between 1903-1970. I guess my > definition of great PR's is that two or more teams had to fight it out > to about the last game of the season. So...my question to you is: > What was YOUR favorite vintage pennant race? > I guess a secondary question is, can you recommend a good book about > famous pennant races, or about a particular PR? > My vote right now is the 1908 PR since it had a little bit of > everything. I highly recommend the book I mention above for all the > details. Particularly if you collect the T-206 or T-205 cards/sets :) > Thanks! > -- > Jerry Coker > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:20:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin I remember 1964 and 1967 fondly from my youth. '64, especially, had great races in both leagues. David Halberstam's wonderful book "October 1964" is about much more than just the pennant race, but I recommend it highly. '67 had the great AL race, with Boston, Minnesota, Chicago and Detroit going down to the last weekend. I bet that would've made a great book too. Somebody must have written one! --- Jerry Coker wrote: > I read a book recently called The Unforgettable > Season. It was about > the 1908 NL Pennant race. After reading the book I > got to wondering > what other great pennant races (NOT World Series's) > there have been in > baseball. Lets say only pennant races between > 1903-1970. I guess my > definition of great PR's is that two or more teams > had to fight it out > to about the last game of the season. So...my > question to you is: > What was YOUR favorite vintage pennant race? > I guess a secondary question is, can you recommend a > good book about > famous pennant races, or about a particular PR? > My vote right now is the 1908 PR since it had a > little bit of > everything. I highly recommend the book I mention > above for all the > details. Particularly if you collect the T-206 or > T-205 cards/sets :) > Thanks! > -- > Jerry Coker Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:44:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race To: Jerry Coker , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Since I never had the opportunity to actually follow any pennant races prior to 1972, I feel somewhat left out. But I'm beginning to sense that this is some kind of conspiracy to keep out the 1978 AL East race. The Red Sox were up 14 games in mid-August. The Yankees were in third and were growing sick of reading that their '77 Championship was a fluke. Hell, their own papers were following the animosity between Billy Martin and George Steinbrenner. Then, Martin quit. The Yankees got hot. Ron Guidry was having one of the greatest seasons ever experienced by a pitcher. As the Yankees picked up momentum, the NYC newspapers were on strike (I attribute this strike to boosting the Bombers' success; they got to quit reading every day about how much they supposedly sucked). The season ended with a Yankee-Red Sox tie and a one game playoff...well, you know the rest. Say what you want about the 1951 Dodgers-Giants race...that was decided by a three-game series. In fact, the Dodgers and Giants were habitually in the thick of the pennant race almost every year from 1947-'56, and almost always into mid-September. But in '78, it was a single game playoff for the whole season. What happened -- more than anything else including the Ruth sale -- is responsible for the current bad blood between the two teams. Take care, --- Jerry Coker wrote: > I read a book recently called The Unforgettable > Season. It was about > the 1908 NL Pennant race. After reading the book I > got to wondering > what other great pennant races (NOT World Series's) > there have been in > baseball. Lets say only pennant races between > 1903-1970. I guess my > definition of great PR's is that two or more teams > had to fight it out > to about the last game of the season. So...my > question to you is: > What was YOUR favorite vintage pennant race? > I guess a secondary question is, can you recommend a > good book about > famous pennant races, or about a particular PR? > My vote right now is the 1908 PR since it had a > little bit of > everything. I highly recommend the book I mention > above for all the > details. Particularly if you collect the T-206 or > T-205 cards/sets :) > Thanks! > -- > Jerry Coker Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 09:50:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race To: Chris Stufflestreet , From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Guys! If anyone is interested in the 1978 Yankees, check out the new book by Roger Kahn (author of The Boys of Summer). I forget the title, but it is about the 1978 Yanks. Mike W Chris Stufflestreet wrote: Since I never had the opportunity to actually follow any pennant races prior to 1972, I feel somewhat left out. But I'm beginning to sense that this is some kind of conspiracy to keep out the 1978 AL East race. The Red Sox were up 14 games in mid-August. The Yankees were in third and were growing sick of reading that their '77 Championship was a fluke. Hell, their own papers were following the animosity between Billy Martin and George Steinbrenner. Then, Martin quit. The Yankees got hot. Ron Guidry was having one of the greatest seasons ever experienced by a pitcher. As the Yankees picked up momentum, the NYC newspapers were on strike (I attribute this strike to boosting the Bombers' success; they got to quit reading every day about how much they supposedly sucked). The season ended with a Yankee-Red Sox tie and a one game playoff...well, you know the rest. Say what you want about the 1951 Dodgers-Giants race...that was decided by a three-game series. In fact, the Dodgers and Giants were habitually in the thick of the pennant race almost every year from 1947-'56, and almost always into mid-September. But in '78, it was a single game playoff for the whole season. What happened -- more than anything else including the Ruth sale -- is responsible for the current bad blood between the two teams. Take care, --- Jerry Coker wrote: > I read a book recently called The Unforgettable > Season. It was about > the 1908 NL Pennant race. After reading the book I > got to wondering > what other great pennant races (NOT World Series's) > there have been in > baseball. Lets say only pennant races between > 1903-1970. I guess my > definition of great PR's is that two or more teams > had to fight it out > to about the last game of the season. So...my > question to you is: > What was YOUR favorite vintage pennant race? > I guess a secondary question is, can you recommend a > good book about > famous pennant races, or about a particular PR? > My vote right now is the 1908 PR since it had a > little bit of > everything. I highly recommend the book I mention > above for all the > details. Particularly if you collect the T-206 or > T-205 cards/sets :) > Thanks! > -- > Jerry Coker Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2003 13:09:53 -0500 To: chcaco@yahoogroups.com,opcc@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Subject: Cards for Kids 2003! From: Dan Austin I just spoke via e-mail with Dr. Mark Manary and we are a "go" for "Cards for Kids 2003"! Sorry we got things started a bit late this year, but there is still plenty of time to donate. The program started up in 1999, so this will be our 5th year collecting cards for the kids in Mark's ER! For those of you who haven't heard of this program yet, let me fill you in with a little background... Since 1999, members from many of the web's top-notch sportscard trading groups (like VCT, OCT, OBC, Trading Bases, CCC, etc.) have gotten together and given up some of their sportscards in order to make a donation to St. Louis Children's Hospital. Our intent has been to lift the spirits of some kids who probably didn't want to be there, while at the same time providing them with some goodies in the hopes of spreading the joy of trading cards. It was all a very simple effort but one that we hoped would add a few smiles to some young faces and provide the children with a little something they may not otherwise have had. The project has been a huge success with great participation across many card groups, and we have collected 10's of thousands of cards during this time along with card supplies, various toys, ball caps, ball gloves, etc. As it so happens, the pediatrician who hands out the cards is a baseball card fan as well and has generously agreed to head up the effort again this From Dr. Mark Manary: "I am a pediatrician in the St. Louis Children's Hospital emergency room. Last Christmas we had something special to give our young visitors on the days around Christmas. There were some donated baseball cards from a trading card group, I was told. Neatly boxed, we offered them to boys and girls of school age. The response was magnificent. Squeals of delight as they recognized current and recent Cardinals (St. Louis is a baseball town). Whether the trip to the ER was for something simple like stitches or something serious like a systemic infection, the cards did bring joy to these young hearts. For our very young visitors another group donated stuffed animals, so it was nice to have the cards to offer the older kids. It was a great way to bring a some cheer at Christmas time, a superb service project. I would be eager to see baseball card collectors do it again. Members could send me their donated cards and I would package them in envelopes and distribute them at Christmas at the hospital to our young collectors." This is a great opportunity to spread some good cheer and to clear out some extra cards at the same time. Got a ton of dupes you don't know what to do with? Send em! New cards? Old Cards? Football? Basketball? Baseball? Hockey? NASCAR? Send em! Whatever you have to send would be great. Since this will be targeted at kids in the St. Louis area, Cardinals/Rams cards, or cards of Cards stars from the past or present would probably be especially prized. A Jim Edmonds or Albert Pujols card here and there would probably make some kid's week. But, whether you are simply clearing out some dupes or unwanted cards, or selecting a few "treasures" from your collection, please know that any effort on your part will be greatly appreciated by these children. In the past, various trading card organizations have spearheaded this effort, but I believe it has grown well beyond any single group. Its a powerful effort of good will that we all can participate in. Dr. Manary has graciously offered to be the point of contact for the donations again this year. You can send donations of all shapes and sizes to him at the following address: "Cards for Kids 2003" c/o Dr. Mark Manary 7435 Flora Avenue St. Louis. MO 63143 Mark notes that "It would be great to receive tons of cards (of all kinds)", so fire away! Pass the word to all your collecting buddies! Feel free to distribute this to anyone you think might be interested. Thanks for your support! Thanks for reading to the end, and may God bless you and yours during this upcoming holiday season. ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 14:55:53 EST Subject: (no subject) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, LHCScEx@aol.com, BMCRON@aol.com, From: Traderdoug@aol.com Very interesting, very deep and thought provoking.... Click here: Remember the Blood of Heroes... ================= To: "Jerry Coker" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] favorite vintage pennant race Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 15:54:17 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" The 78 pennant race was a classic. What's forgotten is that the Yanks passed the Red Sox and had a 3.5 game lead. The Sox then won their last 8 games to force the playoff game. BTW, bad blood between the teams predated 78. I remember some pretty bad fights, one in 67 and another in 76. ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 16:16:59 EST Subject: who collects zeenuts? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Is there anyone else in the group besides me crazy enough to collect zeenuts? ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 17:53:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? To: Typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I guess you can call me carzy too! ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:15:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? To: TPLY@aol.com, Typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I just got a 1931 #114 Wingo as a type card today. Very nicely cut (off) Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: ongoing chat Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:04:00 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" There are a fair number of us in the Sunday night chat--we are hoping for atenth--any ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:44:11 EST Subject: Advice needed... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I'm thinking of getting my wife, Jennie, a PDA for Christmas but am pretty ignorant about what might be the best "bang for the buck" out there. She's a school psychologist for Omaha Public Schools and serves on about a zillion different professional and church committees. The school district finally gave the school psychologists laptop computers (Gateway) about a month ago, so it might be nice if it interfaced with that. We use old Macs at home, but hopefully will be upgrading to a iBook G4 when we can afford it, which would allow us to run a PC simulator on it without the PC internet hassles of daily viruses and spybots. Anyway, any kind of advice regarding PDAs would be excellent, as neither of us has ever owned or used one. Oh... one last thing... while she's incredibly bright, she's not especially tech-savvy, so ease of use would carry a premium. Thanks guys... I look forward to getting a little group input on this! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 20:02:53 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Crazy Carzy Insane NW folks have been known to collect Zeenuts...I have maybe 15 cards from various years, not much of a collection so far, but I plan on collecting them for at least thirty more years, so maybe I'll have a bigger, better pile then !!! Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? > I just got a 1931 #114 Wingo as a type card today. Very nicely cut (off) > corners. > Mike Rich > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 04:09:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: set info needed From: "mikesportsfan" Picked up a bunch of oddballs today at a local show. I think I have a set of 1975 TCMA 1942 St.Louis Cardinals. I do not have a checklsit or know how many cards are in the set. Anyone know? They are not in my 2001 SCD. Also got some 1970 Pittsburh Pirate cards. as tall as regular Topps card, but thinner, like a 1951 or 52 Bowman. Only know they are 1970 from the 1969 stats at the bottom front of the card. backs are blank. Looked in the chronological index and could not figure it out. help. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 23:37:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice needed... To: XTrJmx@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Go to CNET.com and type in "handhelds" for search. There you can get the latest reviews. The palm pilot is one of the originals (www.palm.com). HP has a unit made by blackberry (www.blackberry.com). ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice needed... Date: 12/7/2003 10:45:24 PM Eastern Standard Time From: XTrJmx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Hi all... I'm thinking of getting my wife, Jennie, a PDA for Christmas but am pretty ignorant about what might be the best "bang for the buck" out there. She's a school psychologist for Omaha Public Schools and serves on about a zillion different professional and church committees. The school district finally gave the school psychologists laptop computers (Gateway) about a month ago, so it might be nice if it interfaced with that. We use old Macs at home, but hopefully will be upgrading to a iBook G4 when we can afford it, which would allow us to run a PC simulator on it without the PC internet hassles of daily viruses and spybots. Anyway, any kind of advice regarding PDAs would be excellent, as neither of us has ever owned or used one. Oh... one last while she's incredibly bright, she's not especially tech-savvy, so ease of would carry a premium. Thanks guys... I look forward to getting a little group input on this! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (rly-yc04.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.36]) by air-yc02.mail.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILINYC21-1cf3fd3f3c5df; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:45:24 -0500 Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) by rly-yc04.mx.aol.com (v97.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC43-1cf3fd3f3c5df; Sun, 07 Dec 2003 22:45:09 -0500 Received: from [66.218.66.157] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2003 03:44:20 -0000 X-Sender: XTrJmx@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 35249 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2003 03:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2003 03:44:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2003 03:44:16 -0000 Received: from XTrJmx@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.142.1e1ce071 (4328) for ; Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:44:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <142.1e1ce071.2d054d8b@aol.com> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 11 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 152.163.225.100 From: XTrJmx@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: xtrjmx MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 22:44:11 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice needed... X-AOL-IP: 66.218.66.86 X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 1:XXX:XX X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 2 ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] set info needed Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2003 21:28:46 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Mike: They are listed in the 2003 SCD as "1975 TCMA 1942-46 St. Louis Cardinals". The listing mentions "Complete Set (66)" but the individual card listing ends at 63. I would guess the 66 was a misprint. The first 60 cards are individual players (Buster Adams to Ted Wilks), and 61-63 are multi player I had less luck on the 1971 Pittsburg Pirate cards. I don't find anything in the 2003 SCD that matches your description. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] set info needed Picked up a bunch of oddballs today at a local show. I think I have a set of 1975 TCMA 1942 St.Louis Cardinals. I do not have a checklsit or know how many cards are in the set. Anyone know? They are not in my 2001 SCD. Also got some 1970 Pittsburh Pirate cards. as tall as regular Topps card, but thinner, like a 1951 or 52 Bowman. Only know they are 1970 from the 1969 stats at the bottom front of the card. backs are blank. Looked in the chronological index and could not figure it out. help. Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 06:38:25 -0500 (EST) To: david.fallen@comcast.net (Dave Fallen) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] set info needed From: Originaleek@webtv.net I think you have the 1970 Jack in the Box Pittsburgh Pirates. In spite of the name, it bears no advertising & has no connection to the restaurant chain: it is a collectors issue. The cards are black & white measuring 2"x 3=BD with blank backs. There is 12 in the set. Do You need the list? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:34:11 EST Subject: A Captain In Iraq, Regarding Our President To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Please excuse my non-baseball email, but this one actually moved me. I wonder where we would be now if the last guy, or his VP, was still in office? Don't mean to get too political, just pondering. God Bless America! Semper Fi, An Email from a Captain in Iraq We knew there was a dinner planned with ambassador Bremer and LTG Sanchez. There were 600 seats available and all the units in the division were tasked with filling a few tables. Naturally, the 501st MI battalion got our table. Soldiers were grumbling about having to sit through another dog-and-pony show, so we had to pick soldiers to attend. I chose not to go. But, about 1500 the G2, LTC Devan, came up to me and with a smile, asked me to come to dinner with him, to meet him in his office at 1600 and bring a camera. I didn't really care about getting a picture with Sanchez or Bremer, but when the division's senior intelligence officer asks you to go, you go. We were seated in the chow hall, fully decorated for thanksgiving when aaaaallllll kinds of secret service guys showed up. That was my first clue, because Bremer's been here before and his personal security detachment is not that big. Then BG Dempsey got up to speak, and he welcomed ambassador Bremer and LTG Sanchez. Bremer thanked us all and pulled out a piece of paper as if to give a speech. He mentioned that the President had given him this thanksgiving speech to give to the troops. He then paused and said that the senior man present should be the one to give it. He then looked at Sanchez, who just smiled. Bremer then said that we should probably get someone more senior to read the speech. Then, from behind the camouflage netting, the President of the United States came around. The mess hall actually erupted with hollering. Troops bounded to their feet with shocked smiles and just began cheering with all their hearts. The building actually shook. It was just unreal. I was absolutely stunned. Not only for the obvious, but also because I was only two tables away from the podium. There he stood, less than thirty feet away from me! The cheering went on and on and on. Soldiers were hollering, cheering, and a lot of them were crying. There was not a dry eye at my table. When he stepped up to the cheering, I could clearly see tears running down his cheeks. It was the most surreal moment I've had in years. Not since my wedding and Aaron being born. Here was this man, our President, came all the way around the world, spending 17 hours on an airplane and landing in the most dangerous airport in the world, where a plane was shot out of the sky not six days before. Just to spend two hours with his troops. Only to get on a plane and spend another 17 hours flying back. It was a great moment, and I will never forget it. He delivered his speech, which we all loved, when he looked right at me and held his eyes on me. Then he stepped down and was just mobbed by the soldiers. He slowly worked his way all the way around the chow hall and shook every last hand extended. Every soldier who wanted a photo with the President got one. I made my way through the line, got dinner, then wolfed it down as he was still working the room. You could tell he was really enjoying himself. It wasn't just a photo opportunity. This man was actually enjoying himself! He worked his way over the course of about 90 minutes towards my side of the room. Meanwhile, I took the opportunity to shake a few hands. I got a picture with Ambassador Bremer, Talabani (acting Iraqi president) and Achmed Chalabi (another member of the ruling council) and Condaleeza Rice, who was there with him. I felt like I was drunk. He was getting closer to my table so I went back over to my seat. As he passed and posed for photos, he looked me in the eye and "How you doin', captain." I smiled and said "God bless you, sir." To which he responded "I'm proud of what you do, captain." Then moved on. ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 08:51:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? To: "Brian Lindholme" From: tknowles@sofast.net I have one Zeenut--I guess that makes me a little crazy ;) ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] who collects zeenuts? Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 07:56:39 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I also have but one. However, it was given to me by the Family Toad, which obviously makes him crazier than me. I have one Zeenut--I guess that makes me a little crazy ;) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Close call. Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2003 17:21:30 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Connecticut was hit with about a foot of snow this past weekend. My 6 year old daughter was outside playing in the snow when the mailman stop by to hand her the mail. She brings inside the house and all that's there is a catalogue. I asked her "Is that all there was? They weren't any envelopes?". She then goes back outside and about a minute later she comes back in with 4 envelopes one of which has the words "Do not open until Christmas!". If she had only dropped some of the envelopes I may not have gotten my OBC Xmas package until the spring thaw! The only problem now is I have to stare at it for 17 more days before I can open it. Why, why do you torture me Jerry Coker from 198 Clyde Road?????? -Bob R. Get holiday tips for festive fun. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 18:16:10 EST Subject: HI ALL FCFS's waiver wire To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Hi all any interest in these just email me with the cards you would like ROB GIOIA 1954 topps # 101 1954 bowman#109 1955 topps # 85 1955 bowman # 46 1956 topps #82 1959 topps #s 273 281 394 414 421 1960 topps #s58,61,71,74,76,94,107,108,155,192,226,229,311 1962 topps #s16,19,32,36,49,66 1965 topps #s 13,19,90,92,94,223,231,251 ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:41:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks for the info From: "mikesportsfan" Yesterday I reqquested help with info on a couple of sets. Dave Fallen chimed in about the TCMA St. Louis Cards set. Funny Dave says his 2003 SCD says 66 cards in teh set, although only 63 cards are listed. I have 69 cards, 67 regular size and 2 5x7. It was not uncommon for TCMA to have some 5x7 cards mixed into the sets, although usually there are 3 5x7s. Who knows, I may have a complete set here. Earl Kilborne also responds about the Pirates issue. He was right on in that these are 1970 Jack in teh Box Pittsburgh Pirates. Never thought to check those out. Now would someone explain to me a few things about this issue. They supposedly have no connection to teh restaurant chain. No advertising or anything else to distinguish them as Jack in the Box. Also there are 12 Pirates from 1970. Ye tthere is NO CLEMENTE. Granted this makes it a cheap set, but how could you have a 1970 Pirates issue without Clemente. I have 5 of the 12 in the set, if anyone out there has any extras. Thanks for the info gents. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 09:16:18 EST Subject: hi all waiverwire FCFS's updated To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Still available are 59 topps 394/414/421 60 topps 74/94/155 62 topps 16/36/66 65 topps 13 ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 09:41:05 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: political bullshit From: Robert Fitts I am EXTREMELY angry about the political message posted today. Please keep your political bullshit off this list! We are all Americans and you have the right to believe and vote the way you wish, - but I don't want to read about it on a list dedicated to baseball cards rob fitts ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit To: From: As everyone in OBC knows, I am usually quiet about these things. But I think you are way out of line here. I tend to agree that political views do not belong in OBC, but I also strongly believe that if you have a problem with what Matt posted, then send him a private email and tell him about out. There is no reason to attack him publicly. I think the least he deserves is that courtesy and respect, being that he spent his entrie life defending our country (something that most of us, including myself, would never do!). A man with that many years in the Marine Corp should be treated with the respect that is due to him. No politics, no bullshit, just plain respect. > I am EXTREMELY angry about the political message posted today. > Please keep your political bullshit off this list! > We are all Americans and you have the right to believe and vote the way > you wish, - but I don't want to read about it on a list dedicated to > baseball cards > rob fitts > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 10:18:51 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Going to have to areee with Mr Thomas on this note......we dont have to agree with Matt but we have to Respect the man, with all due respect id be pissed if i was publicly attacked for something i belived in. OBC isnt political but what Matt sent wasnt political it was just to the point He never said if he agreed with the presidents views or not, just that Our President went to Iraq for thanksgiving God bless him.....I was offerd $200,000 to go over with a bunch of NYC firefighters and teach firefighting, but i said Hell no i will run into a burning building but im not getting shot at or car bombed ..... im not getting politcal either just saying i dont have a problem with the email and i Respect MAJOR matt Shierley and thank him for everyhting he has done for All of us living in this country Just my Opinion....and thats all it is an OPINON and thanks to guys like MAJOR MATT we can post our opinions Rob Gioia ================= To: Subject: And a minor correction.... Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:26:52 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" We aren't ALL Americans..three of us have passports that were issued by ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 07:26:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Rob, I too am EXTREMELY ANGRY, over Fitts fit! We are not a political group by any means. This is more than a baseball card group! What Matt wrote was not political, it was American! You're right, we are all Americans. Whether we love our President or not isn't important. We all stand behind and support our troops in harms way and wish them a speedy return home. The email that Matt wrote, that apparentally got you all fired, put a tear in my eye. I loved what the President did!!!!! I gained a lot of respect for him to go over there and encourage the troops the way he did. I'm sure it meant a lot to them, their Military Leader, our President, putting himself behind enemy lines, just to be with them! Something you would expect a Washington or Roosevelt to do. Bully! I want to thank Matt for sharing that with me. I am 100% behind the men and woman in the military and I thank God for each and every one of them! God Bless America! Terry Dietrick Robert Fitts wrote: I am EXTREMELY angry about the political message posted today. Please keep your political bullshit off this list! We are all Americans and you have the right to believe and vote the way you wish, - but I don't want to read about it on a list dedicated to baseball cards rob fitts Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:06:21 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com as far as i could tell, there was no political bs in that email anyway. it was an email from a soldier stationed in iraq who wrote about the president at thanksgiving. i saw no political opinion offered at all, just recounting a while i would prefer not to read this in a baseball group setting, since the email was forwarded by someone who spent most of his adult life defending our country, i'm willing to cut him some slack. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 08:18:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet > > I am EXTREMELY angry about the political message > posted today. > > Please keep your political bullshit off this list! > > We are all Americans and you have the right to > believe and vote the way > > you wish, - but I don't want to read about it on a > list dedicated to > > baseball cards > > rob fitts Other than the last part (where he wonders what Mr. Clinton or Mr. Gore might have done), I sensed nothing political in Matt's post. I agree with you that this is no place for partisan politics (American, Canadian or in Glenn C.'s case Parliamentary), but I really don't think that you should have been EXTREMELY angry for another American to feel free enough to express his opinion among friends. By the way...I'm not going to get into any political bantering, but I'll say that I'm astute and articulate enough on the subject that I have been banned from discussing politics in functions involving BOTH my family (conservative upstate NY types) and my wife's (NYC liberal Democrats)! That's something that takes a lot of skill. I have have also served in the military (U.S. Army, Desert Storm) and know firsthand what some of the troops are going through overseas. I know what a morale boost it would have been to have such a surprise guest stop by for Thanksgiving dinner. That would be true of ANY Commander-in-Chief...even one whose party begins with a "D." For instance, had President Clinton stopped into Bosnia and done the same thing, he might have had a similar response from the soldiers there. But this is not the place for me to articulate the reasons why military types might appreciate this president more than the last one; the proper place for that type of discussion is off-list. I'm not going to go as far as Neal did and demand that you respect Matt's title. But consider this: as an officer of the USMC -- duly sworn by the Congress of the United States -- he was under the doctrine that he must remain apolitical in all matters because he was defending our nation for the benefit of Americans of all colors, sizes and political affiliations. Once he was handed that honorable discharge, he was given the ability to take sides again. After 20+ years of keeping it inside, you should give the guy a little bit of slack...or at least simply delete his email message like I did after reading it. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Subject: political Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:56:23 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Thanks to Chris for sending the political debate into a more temperate and thoughtful zone. And like Rob Gioia, I am grateful others are willing to do these jobs so I don't have to. As one of those infamous liberal Dems, I also understand why Rob Fitts was upset, though I wouldn't have phrased it as he did. The only part of Matt's original post that disturbed me was the reference to where we would be with "the last president or his VP." I have a strong opinion about that question, and I sent Matt a brief note simply reminding him that not everyone (in OBC or elsewhere) feels the way he does about it. In OBC, as in our great democracy, we have many different opinions represented, and we have to respect them all. Let's allow the debate to die a quiet death now. It is best carried on elsewhere. Best to all, ================= To: Subject: Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:47:19 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Spike and I were just yakking about how it might be interesting to find out how many of us were successful "packrats" and managed to hang on to stuff in spite of our mothers. Probably quite a few had to start from scratch again..and maybe some didn't even collect at all as kids. (But I rather doubt that in OBC.) With that in mind, I'll be sending out a Ramblings Poll, asking what approximate % of your present collection has been part of you since you were a kid. Email votes won't count, you will have to use the Poll link. ================= Date: 9 Dec 2003 19:52:21 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: What approximate per centage of your present (pre-1980) collection were you able to hang on to since you were a o Zero o 10%-25% o 25%-50% o 50%-75% o over 75% To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11495825 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:00:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Postings From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, All I can say about Matt's posting is that after reading it, I couldn't recall a single word from the opening paragraph...just a warm feeling inside and a smile on me face. About non baseball/card related ramblings...I love reading "Adventures on Slavery Island", or a "Rib Fest", or a golf tourney and so and so's slice off the tee that bounced off the golfcart, through the big oak tree...nuttin' but net... (the guy fishing on the golfcourse pond!!) OBC is more than just about cards...I'd hate to lose that philosophy. My 2 cents...or was that 3?? OBC...'nuff said ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:06:59 EST Subject: Ft. Washington report To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, Well, as the title says, I DID attend the recent Ft. Washington show last weekend. Undaunted by the gloomy forecast (I went to the last show which coincided with a hurricane) I set out for PA around noontime. The roads were clean and green until I hit Interstate 287 in NY, when the first few flakes started falling. I wanted to beat the NYC rush hour traffic, but apparently they let the whole city out early and foiled that plan. As I reached the Garden State Parkway, I pretty much did just that - parked. It took three hours to get to there and another three hours to drive the 45 miles or so on that road. The traffic eased up considerably once I got onto the NJ Tpk. and I arrived at the show in about 8-1/2 hours (about three hours longer than it normally takes.) Most of the dealers were already getting ready to leave at this point, but I stopped by Mike Wheat's table and picked up the eBay purchase I made from him a couple days prior (two 49 Leaf SP Red Sox cards - saved the six bucks shipping for the long ride, but it still wasn't worth that). Found out the next day from Ron Barrett that I had missed Howard and that he wouldn't be returning Saturday. I wanted to hand him his auction winnings, but I'll have to mail them now or wait until March. Didn't stick around much longer, since I wanted to crash after the long ride. Saturday I got up rather early, but still showed up at the show fashionably late, expecting anyone else who was coming for the traditional swap to be delayed by the roads and the lingering snow flurries. I also brought along some binders and FB cards for Steve, which have been sitting in my trunk since the Nov. Wilmington show. They shall sit there for a few more months. Nobody showed up except for Ed Schott, who arrived a couple hours before I gave up on meeting anyone else and headed back to my friend's house in Norrisville. Before I left, I did manage to find a few good deals, mostly on Post cereal cards for my sets. I also got a couple of the remaining listed 1969 Topps on my list, a few '59 Fleer (possible second set?) and a couple other odd cards for the dupes box. I really wish I could've attended Sunday and made out on the 'panic selling' from dealers who couldn't make their table fees. The Expo Center was a ghost town Friday night and wasn't too busy on Saturday, but the weather was expected to be nicer on Sunday, so the majority of the turnout was expected on the last day of the show. I had a ticket to the Patriot's game against Miami, so I was leaving early Sunday morning. The traffic was light all the way home Sunday and I made it back in just over five hours. The roads were basically clear until I reached northern CT and some of the Mass. Pike. I stayed on the highway until I reached my street. I was greeted by a five foot high snow bank at the end of my driveway. The rest of the 50 foot driveway was under a two foot blanket of the white stuff, with some drifts over my waist (I know because I had to fight my way to the back door to get my shovel and try to dig out the end of the driveway). Two things were also working against me: My street is an emergency artery, so you're not allowed to park there in a snow emergency and there was also the impending football game I was supposed to attend. Fortunately, the guy across the street let me park my car in his driveway and the next door neighbor had a friend with a snow plow. He also was going to the Pats game and I tagged along with him instead of taking the train into the game with my friends. Only problem was that by the time we got to the stadium an hour and a half before kickoff, there was already no parking. We sat in traffic for another three hours and lucked into a spot at a hotel about a mile away. I finally sat down just in time for the (second half) kickoff. Got back from the game to find the driveway still unplowed and it'll likely remain that way until it all melts - or spring, whichever comes first. Well, I'm gonna rest up some more from all the shovelling I've been doing (have to clear the front walk and stairs so I can get my mail you know ). TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:51:34 -0500 To: grains@dccnet.com ("Grant Rainsley"), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... From: malsman250@cs.com Not only do I have all the cards that I had as a kid, I can specifically identify the 10 cards that came in the first two packs that I bought when I was 6 years old in 1958. With the cards that I got (Dave Melton, Pete Whisenant, and the like)I'm surprised that I ever bought any more. "Grant Rainsley" wrote: >Spike and I were just yakking about how it might be interesting to find >out how many of us were successful "packrats" and managed to hang on to >stuff in spite of our mothers. Probably quite a few had to start from >scratch again..and maybe some didn't even collect at all as kids. (But I >rather doubt that in OBC.) >With that in mind, I'll be sending out a Ramblings Poll, asking what >approximate % of your present collection has been part of you since you >were a kid. Email votes won't count, you will have to use the Poll link. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:21:48 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 12/09/2003 2:14:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > What approximate per centage of your > present (pre-1980) collection were you > able to hang on to since you were a > kid? I'm still a kid ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 16:30:31 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Good Answer ! ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings In a message dated 12/09/2003 2:14:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com What approximate per centage of your present (pre-1980) collection were you able to hang on to since you were a I'm still a kid Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Ken Morganti in Beckett article Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 17:40:30 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather than the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the articles. Pages 62 and 63 (which is double the size of most articles) has a great piece on "Industry Expert" Ken Morganti. I may have missed any previous discussion among members regarding this upcoming publicity. It is a great story about OBC and Ken's involvement: a must read. Maybe we can get it on our website. The only problem may be our increased visibility but what the heck. Congratulations, Ken and good job in explaining what we're up to. George Vrechek ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:43:47 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" I can’t get Vintage Beckett over here any more. Would someone be kind enough to send me out a copy? Glasgow, Scotland Ps Is it any surprise that Ken took up twice the usual amount of space? -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 To: Ramblings Cc: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather than the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the articles. Pages 62 and 63 (which is double the size of most articles) has a great piece on "Industry Expert" Ken Morganti. I may have missed any previous discussion among members regarding this upcoming publicity. It is a great story about OBC and Ken's involvement: a must read. Maybe we can get it on our website. The only problem may be our increased visibility but what the Congratulations, Ken and good job in explaining what we're up to. George Vrechek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor click here . ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:02:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article To: From: Even a better idea--doea anyone have a copy of the article that they can scan? It would be great to post it someplace for all of OBC to read. > Guys, > I can’t get Vintage Beckett over here any more. Would someone be kind > enough to send me out a copy? > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > Ps Is it any surprise that Ken took up twice the usual amount of space? > -----Original Message----- > From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] > Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 > To: Ramblings > Cc: cardclctor@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article > I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage > Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather than > the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the articles. > Pages 62 and 63 (which is double the size of most articles) has a great > piece on "Industry Expert" Ken Morganti. I may have missed any previous > discussion among members regarding this upcoming publicity. It is a great > story about OBC and Ken's involvement: a must read. Maybe we can get it on > our website. The only problem may be our increased visibility but what the > heck. > Congratulations, Ken and good job in explaining what we're up to. > George Vrechek > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > click here > web/S=1705123920:HM/EXP=1071099460/A=1853618/R=0/*http://www.netflix.com/Def > ault?mqso=60178338&partid=4116732> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:58:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... what an interesting topic! I have to admit that I did not collect cards when I was a kid. Maybe that's why I collect (in Howard's words) "anything that isn't dead, stinking, and rotten." My only collection as a kid was a collection of foreign coins. I always wondered how many different lands and owners the coins had seen, what they had purchased, and how they came to arrive in the little town of Grand Rapids, Minnesota. Another "collection" of sorts was the complete sticker book I put together of the Wild Animal Kingdom. Mom bought it for me when I had the chicken pox and I loved filling in the stickers. I do still have that and it is a treasure to me. Oh, my other collection when I was a young teen was the goofy series of Mac Bolan books called "The Executioner"... don't know why, as they were/are pretty awful. (Must have just liked the dirty parts! ). My best friend collected Wacky Pack stickers and Mad magazines, but other than that I don't remember anyone collecting cards. Oh... one thing I do remember is that we did use some on our bike spokes, but usually we used old playing cards for that. Anyway, despite not collecting ballcards, there were a few cards that I found around the homestead when I did start collecting in 1986. There were a handful of 1977 Topps at my grandma's house that she let me have and then there was that one blessed, amazing, 1948 Bowman football card of Monk Maznicki that I found in the storage locker up at our cabin. It must have been there since *my dad* was a kid... amazing (at least to me!). Well all, I look forward to reading all the other posts. Take care and have a great evening... ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:50:09 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com In a message dated 12/9/2003 2:13:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11495825 I have already voted for over 75% since I agree with "Topgolf" and consider myself still a kid! ================= To: "obc" Subject: Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:54:43 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Great topic; Here is my story. 100% of my cards before 1980, is from my youth. Some of the older guys in the group can identify with this.............i earned money to buy packs starting in 1961 as an 8 year old. You see, mowing lawns, you used a push mower, not a power mower, so you really worked up a sweat for that .25 or .50 you got for doing the yard. I can still remember, just like it was yesterday.................riding my bike to the small neighborhood grocery to get 5 packs for .25 then I always bought an orange soda for .10 and a pack of Twinkies for .12 for a total of .47 and came home refreshed and with 5 packs of cards, and .03 left over. As I got older I moved up to paper route, boy did I buy the cards then, maybe up to 10 packs at a time. My love for Basketball cards started in 1969, with the famous coin flip that enabled my team, Milwaukee Bucks to draft Lew Alcindor. I remember buying pack after pack from 69/70 and Then graduating from high school in 71' worrying about getting drafted and going to Vietnam. I started working full time and moved out of my childhood home at age 18 after an arguement with my Dad. I had all my cards arranged in in shoe boxes in my closet adjaceent to my upstairs bedroom. There they sat untouched ............no kidding........until 1989 when I saw a report on CNN about the explosion of sportscard I called my Mom on the phone and asked here if she had all my shoe boxes that I stored them in? Her response was.........You know your mother better than that.....You know, I never throw anything out. Now 36 years old in 89' I had rediscovered all my cards from all 3 major sports, all my Sports Illustrated, Sport Magazines. and all my Green Bay Packer yearbooks.Still in my bedroom and untouched between 1971- 1989. Now, this is my first love after, of course my wife and 3 kids 25,22,18. Thanks for listening, and allowing me to share. Thanks to all of the fine traders in this wonderful group. Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 21:26:53 -0500 To: kgoetsch@gdinet.com ("ken goetsch"), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ("obc") Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... From: brockhattox@cs.com I have to play " can you top this?" with Ken's challenge. I grew up in Ecru, MS. I started picking cotton at the age of 7. We were paid $2.50/100# of cotton picked. School started right after the 4th of July, and we sweated through the first term until September 1st without air conditioning. We got out of school then and were out of school for cotton-picking until November. I pulled a sack of cotton, averaging $2-3 per day until I finished high school. I spent my nickles on baseball cards and dates. Fotunately, there were some girls who liked parking on dark country roads with the "hunk" rather than going to the big city. My Mother, who never threw away anything that was plastic or paper, saved the cigar boxes with all my cards. Alas, I licked all the stamps and stuck them on the cigar boxes!!! As a result, I have all my cards from 1953 Bowmans through 1965 Topps. Take care, "ken goetsch" wrote: > Great topic; >Here is my story. >100% of my cards before 1980, is from my youth.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Some of the older guys in >the group can identify with this.............i earned money to buy packs >starting in 1961 as an 8 year old.nbsp;nbsp; You see, mowing lawns, you used a push >mower, not a power mower, so you really worked up a sweat for that .25 or >.50 you got for doing the yard.nbsp;nbsp; I can still remember, just like it was >yesterday.................riding my bike to the small neighborhood grocery >to get 5 packs for .25 then I always bought an orange soda for .10 and a >pack of Twinkies for .12 for a total of .47 and came home refreshed and with >5 packs of cards, and .03 left over. >Asnbsp; I got older I moved up to paper route, boy did I buy the cards then, >maybe up to 10 packs at a time.nbsp;nbsp; My love for Basketball cards started in >1969, with the famous coin flip that enabled my team, Milwaukee Bucks to >draft Lew Alcindor.nbsp;nbsp; I remember buying pack after pack from 69/70 and >nbsp;nbsp; Then graduating from high school in 71' worrying about getting drafted >and going to Vietnam.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I started working full time and moved out of my >childhood home at age 18 after an arguement with my Dad.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; I had all my >cards arranged in in shoe boxes in my closet adjaceent to my upstairs >bedroom.nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; There they sat untouched ............no kidding........until >1989 when I saw a report on CNN about the explosionnbsp; of sportscard >I called my Mom on the phone and asked here if she had all my shoe boxes >that I storednbsp; them in?nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Her response was.........You know your mother >better than that.....You know, I never throw anything out. >Now 36 years old in 89' I had rediscovered all my cards from all 3 major >sports, all my Sports Illustrated, Sport Magazines. and all my Green Bay >Packer yearbooks.Still in my bedroom and untouched between 1971- 1989. >Now, this is my first love after, of course my wife and 3 kids 25,22,18. >Thanks for listening, and allowing me to share. >Thanks to all of the fine traders in this wonderful group. >Ken Goetsch-OBC >    *Yahoo! Groups Sponsor* >     >    ADVERTISEMENT >     > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] political bullshit Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:52:04 -0800 From: "terry ellis" I was very moved by matts post. my son whos name is matt also joined the army last year and I couldn't be more proud. he repairs apaches and asked foriraq, but they sent him to korea. thanks, kit ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:58:48 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i think it was neal who said he remembered the first cards he bought. if you look at my 1950s page, i even talk about the same thing. i bought 2 packs that first day in 1964, and ended up with dupes of nelson matthews and a jim roland card. not sure of the rest, but i had about a thousand by the time i stopped in 1972. i usually lost interest after the 1st series or 2 as the indians were usually mathmatically eliminated by june 1. but i kept all the cards, and they traveled with me to chicago 20 years ago. (my ham radio equipment still hasn't made the trip). two years or so ago, i decided to start up the hobby again, and found all those cards to be a great starter. i have probably traded most of the originals as i have upgraded, and since i had about 3 cards from before 1964, only a very small percentage of my current collection is original. eBay and groups like OBC have supplanted much of the collection by now. but i still get a kick when i come across one, and can usually remember when i got it. this 1990 project i am working on with my stepson is a fun way to get him into the hobby, and is bringing back a lot of memories from my early collecting days. tnx for this great topic. ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:05:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: apology From: Robert Fitts I'd like to apologize to you for my outburst today. I was angry and I still think political views, even insinuated ones like the one's in your message, have no place on this group. But, I let my anger get me carried away and I acted in an immature manner. Do not take my outburst personally as I have no idea who you are. Rob Fitts ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:08:34 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Poll From: Originaleek@webtv.net Just submitted my "vote" regarding the percentage of my collection that was collected as a kid. I would estimate that before I joined OBC a little over 2 years ago, the percentage was well over 75%. Since joining OBC that percentage has dropped to about 33%. I have shared my baseball card story before, but I enjoy telling it. I started collecting cards in 1958 when I was 12 years old, & was finally given permission from my father to do odd chores around the neighborhood. I mowed lawns, delivered groceries, etc. to earn a few dollars each week. Whenever I got paid, I would head to Pik-Niks or Fangers Market and purchase packs of cards. There were 4 or 5 of us that traded or played baseball poker using the card numbers to determine the winners. I still have the 58 Mantle that Denny Chapman used to "motor" his bike. I can't begin to estimate the small fortune he squandered tearing up or burning any Yankee cards he would get. I salvaged a few, but most were lost. I only collected for about 4 years (58-62) then at 16 I discovered other interests that were far more expensive and time consuming. Although I remained an avid Tiger fan, I virtually forgot about baseball cards until 1988 when my son, who was 7 at the time, brought home some UV stuff and a price guide. One look at the prices of some of those cards and I was on the phone to my mom inquiring about my cards. Being a survivor of the Great Depression, I knew she would not throw anything away. "If you left them here when you moved out, they would be up in the attic in your fathers Navy trunk." Sure enough in the bottom of that old trunk was a boot box full of treasures that defy attempts to put a price on. Although I have retained the bulk of them, many of those cards are now in the binders of some cherished friends referred to as OBCers. Sorry for this long ramble, but as I said, I love to tell this story. Thank all of you that have read this far for your patient indulgence. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:19:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Debbie From: brockhattox@cs.com I appreciate all of the messages of support for Debbie and our family. Debbie went throught today's surgery in great shape. There was no indication of cancer in the lymph nodes. She will be in the hospital until Thursday. Hopefully, I will get her back to Paradise, AL by the end of the month. God is Good. Take care, ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:35:42 EST Subject: Lesson Learned To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Well, I have to admit, I just miss my guys. I got that email and it just tore me up and I wanted to share the feeling with my friends. I have been gone from the Marine Corps now for all of six weeks or so and I have many friends over there, and others potentially getting ready to go. I admit that I should have left out a sentence or two of my opening paragraph, and please believe that it was not my intent to get so political. I can understand that Captain's message, and to a large extent wish it had been me instead of him. I do not want to, and did not mean to, interfere with the intent of the Ramblings server. You all should feel free to discuss non-baseball topics as many have over the years, and has been my extreme pleasure to read often (yes Ken, even yours). Hell, maybe I have too much time on my hands now and read and send too many emails. Thanks for all of your support over the last 3 or 4 years, and the next 30 or 40. Come see me in small town Texas sometime! God Bless America! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:47:05 +0800 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article From: Lynn Miller Or scan the article and send it out to us less than fortunate ones, thanks Lynn Glenn Codere wrote: > Guys, > I can't get Vintage Beckett over here any more. Would someone be kind > enough to send me out a copy? > Glenn > Glasgow, Scotland > Ps Is it any surprise that Ken took up twice the usual amount of space? > -----Original Message----- > From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] > Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 > To: Ramblings > Cc: cardclctor@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article > I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage > Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather > than the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the articles. > Pages 62 and 63 (which is double the size of most articles) has a > great piece on "Industry Expert" Ken Morganti. I may have missed any > previous discussion among members regarding this upcoming publicity. > It is a great story about OBC and Ken's involvement: a must read. > Maybe we can get it on our website. The only problem may be our > increased visibility but what the heck. > Congratulations, Ken and good job in explaining what we're up to. > George Vrechek > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ================= To: "Glenn Codere" , "Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:59:55 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Actually, Ken took up only two pages in the Beckett. His uneditted version will appear in the Big SCD Price Guide next year, bumping it up from 850 pages to 976... ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: Ramblings Cc: cardclctor@aol.com Sent: 12/9/2003 3:43:48 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article I can’t get Vintage Beckett over here any more. Would someone be kind enough to send me out a copy? Glasgow, Scotland Ps Is it any surprise that Ken took up twice the usual amount of space? -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 To: Ramblings Cc: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather than the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the articles. Pages 62 and 63 (which is double the size of most articles) has a great piece on "Industry Expert" Ken Morganti. I may have missed any previous discussion among members regarding this upcoming publicity. It is a great story about OBC and Ken's involvement: a must read. Maybe we can get it on our website. The only problem may be our increased visibility but what the heck. Congratulations, Ken and good job in explaining what we're up to. George Vrechek To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 23:59:49 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Debbie To: Brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com Now this is OBC! Brock thanks for the good news about your wife, we will all keep her in our thoughts or prayers! Please let us know if we can do anything, yes anything to help! ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 05:26:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: It has been a long time. From: "airal6" A Hello to OBC from Al Crotte. It has been a very long time since I have touched base with everyone. Some major things have happened in my life and there seems to be no slowing down. Truth be told, I have been inactive for the last 6 months or so, and I have thought of going officially inactive, but I will relent in the hope of getting back into the swing of things. The main issue relating to my inactivity is the fact that I have met the woman that I am going to marry. Her name is Kirsten and we are in the 7th month of our relationship. We are very excited about our future, and the great thing is that everyone around us is very happy for us as well. We have a terrific set of families and great friends who really love us. It has been very apparent to both of us that we belong together, and I feel very fortunate to have met her. We are very blessed. My card collecting habits have taken the brunt of the time absorption that a new relationship requires. Fortunately, she seems amenable to opening the door to that habit for me again, and she has even gone to a small card show with me. It looks good for my future in the OBC . : ) Kirsten works at Wright State in Dayton, which is very close to where Tom Housley lives. I had told Tom by e-mail that once things calm down a bit I was going to make sure we planned some one-on-one swap sessions. Kirsten went to Ohio University which I believe is Tom's alma mater as well. She has just moved to Columbus two weeks ago, and should be getting a job offer from Devry Technical College here in town in the next few days. They are just putting the offer together for her at present. I will keep everyone posted on how everything I am tired of my sole practicioner law practice, and I am presently looking for salaried employment in Columbus. Seven years is enough in the small business world and I just want a regular paycheck (and low cost health insurance) for a while. One iron in the fire right now for me. We'll see where that leads. The near future includes a new ibook purchase, and a new house purchase as well. While I believe there is no excuse to being so inactive, I do have good intentions and I want to continue in OBC, so I hope you can all be a bit patient with me as I transition into a new and different life over the next few months. I do plan on coming back strongly. I also plan on making a more regular appearance on the rambling server. I am still keeping up with everything that has been going on in the servers. So much drama. What has happened since last I wrote? I have completely returned from my torn Achilles to play soccer three times weekly during the summer. 2002 was more of a struggle, but I have my explosion back this year. The Columbus Crew were picked to finish first in their division, but didn't even make the playoffs. I am a season ticket holder for the Crew, and now for U of Toledo football as well. (Go Rockets!) Those UT tickets are a lot cheaper than the Ohio State tickets around here. (Toledo is my alma mater by the way.) I did take Kirsten and my parents to the Ohio St./NC St. triple overtime football game in September and we all went (with my brother's family) to the Browns/Raiders game in October. Football season is the best time of the year for me, and Kirsten seems to be willingly adapting. Hoops season now. We'll see how she does. I did try to participate in the Redpath auction on the buyers end and bought one lot at least. A great effort Ken and everyone that participated. Well done. I will update my list soon. A thanks posting is on that server as well. I will repay the random acts of kindness that I have received over that many months since I have been gone. I realize that some in the group don't see that as pure OBC philosophy, but I see a "repayment in kindness" as my way, and I see no harm in that. I do love sending and receiveing these OBC packages. What fun we have. I hope everyone finds themselves well and I will talk with everyone again soon. Al Crotte My last line always seems to be cut off so I decided that these last sentances will always end my postings. Does anyone else seem to have this problem? : ) ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:16:34 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Beckett Vintage Sports Collectible magazine? And cards of my youth! From: Jerry Coker > -----Original Message----- > From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] > Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 > To: Ramblings > Cc: cardclctor@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article > I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles Huh...a Beckett Vintage Sports Collectible magazine!? Man...I got to get out more :) Is that anything like The Vintage & Classic Baseball Collector magazine that Dennis Purdy used to publish? Unfortunately, I think VCBC is no longer published. It was a great magazine! I agree that a scan of Ken's article would be real cool, if it can be posted to the OBC website or something. I started collecting baseball cards when we moved to S.F., around 1965, and stopped collecting in 1972. Fortunately, my Mom didn't throw my cards out. So in 1987 my girlfriend saw an article in a paper about the value of old baseball cards. She asked me if I still had any (I guess by that time I was beginning to see her motives because we broke up not long afterwards ;) Anyway, I found them in old shoe boxes, still with the rubber bands around them! I actually had cards from 1965-1972. The majority of cards were from 1968-1972 when my collecting habit reached its peak. I had thousands of 71T's. I don't know what happened that year but I must have done my chores :) Incidentally, I specifically remember going to this one huge toy store somewhere in S.F. and they had the 71T's in bricks sealed with cellaphane (cello packs?). And I distincly remember it was Xmas season and I bought a bunch of those cello bricks. And in fact, I had a whole bunch of the 71T hi #'s when I re-discovered my cards in 1987! I have very fond memories of walking to Ben Franklin's five and dime on Ocean Ave. in S.F. (every Saturday morning before the game of the week on TV, usually a east coast game that started at 10:00am on the west coast) and buying packs of cards and also some candy. I also have memories of my Mom chewing me out for sticking every piece of bubble gum in my mouth by the time I got home. I must have looked like Rocky Bridges with that large bulge in my cheek :) I also have one last memory to share. I know some of you have already heard this, so bear with me. In 1972 I bought the entire 72T set from Larry Fritz (or whoever that big dealer is that lived in the NW). He would mail me a series every month until I had the entire set. He put 59T commons on the top and bottom of each stack of cards he sent me so that the 72T's wouldn't get damaged during shipment. Those 59T's he sent me were the beginning of my 59T set! So I had great starter sets for the years 1968, 1969, and 1970. I had almost the entire 71T set! Of course I had the entire 72 set. The 1965, 1966, and 1967 sets started with just a few cards, although the 66 and 67T's cards I had ironically were mostly hi #'s. So in the end, the % of cards I have from my youth, if you include all the sets I'm currently working on, is kinda' small. But that is only because I'm working on so many sets! In fact, I just recently added the T-205 and 1921 Exhibit sets (I know, it's insane to keep adding more sets, but I'm addicted ;) I believe OBC is responsible for the majority of the cards I now have. eBay to a smaller extent, like for the T-205's and T-206's... BTW, I still have a lot of the original cards of my youth in my sets. I've chosen to keep most of them for their memories even when I get a decent upgrade. For instance I have some 66 and 67T's that I wrote on with pen. But when I see those cards I'm reminded of my youth and I can see my own hand-writing when I was around 10 years old :) Jerry Coker ================= To: , Subject: Vintage & Classic Baseball Collector magazine Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:20:57 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Hi Jerry and all, In fact VCBC is still being published regularly (if a bit slowly) by a guy named Don Betz. The next issue, which should be out anytime now, contains two articles on the T207 set, one of them by yours truly. VCBC's has a website that's improving all the time, and you can get subscription info from it if anyone's interested. http://www.vcbc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Coker To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Beckett Vintage Sports Collectible magazine? Andcards of my youth! > -----Original Message----- > From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net] > Sent: 09 December 2003 23:41 > To: Ramblings > Cc: cardclctor@aol.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken Morganti in Beckett article > I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles Huh...a Beckett Vintage Sports Collectible magazine!? Man...I got to get out more :) Is that anything like The Vintage & Classic Baseball Collector magazine that Dennis Purdy used to publish? Unfortunately, I think VCBC is no longer published. It was a great magazine! I agree that a scan of Ken's article would be real cool, if it can be posted to the OBC website or something. I started collecting baseball cards when we moved to S.F., around 1965, and stopped collecting in 1972. Fortunately, my Mom didn't throw my cards out. So in 1987 my girlfriend saw an article in a paper about the value of old baseball cards. She asked me if I still had any (I guess by that time I was beginning to see her motives because we broke up not long afterwards ;) Anyway, I found them in old shoe boxes, still with the rubber bands around them! I actually had cards from 1965-1972. The majority of cards were from 1968-1972 when my collecting habit reached its peak. I had thousands of 71T's. I don't know what happened that year but I must have done my chores :) Incidentally, I specifically remember going to this one huge toy store somewhere in S.F. and they had the 71T's in bricks sealed with cellaphane (cello packs?). And I distincly remember it was Xmas season and I bought a bunch of those cello bricks. And in fact, I had a whole bunch of the 71T hi #'s when I re-discovered my cards in 1987! I have very fond memories of walking to Ben Franklin's five and dime on Ocean Ave. in S.F. (every Saturday morning before the game of the week on TV, usually a east coast game that started at 10:00am on the west coast) and buying packs of cards and also some candy. I also have memories of my Mom chewing me out for sticking every piece of bubble gum in my mouth by the time I got home. I must have looked like Rocky Bridges with that large bulge in my cheek :) I also have one last memory to share. I know some of you have already heard this, so bear with me. In 1972 I bought the entire 72T set from Larry Fritz (or whoever that big dealer is that lived in the NW). He would mail me a series every month until I had the entire set. He put 59T commons on the top and bottom of each stack of cards he sent me so that the 72T's wouldn't get damaged during shipment. Those 59T's he sent me were the beginning of my 59T set! So I had great starter sets for the years 1968, 1969, and 1970. I had almost the entire 71T set! Of course I had the entire 72 set. The 1965, 1966, and 1967 sets started with just a few cards, although the 66 and 67T's cards I had ironically were mostly hi #'s. So in the end, the % of cards I have from my youth, if you include all the sets I'm currently working on, is kinda' small. But that is only because I'm working on so many sets! In fact, I just recently added the T-205 and 1921 Exhibit sets (I know, it's insane to keep adding more sets, but I'm addicted ;) I believe OBC is responsible for the majority of the cards I now have. eBay to a smaller extent, like for the T-205's and T-206's... BTW, I still have a lot of the original cards of my youth in my sets. I've chosen to keep most of them for their memories even when I get a decent upgrade. For instance I have some 66 and 67T's that I wrote on with pen. But when I see those cards I'm reminded of my youth and I can see my own hand-writing when I was around 10 years old :) Jerry Coker Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "o b" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:14:17 -0500 From: "jeff sinclair" ----- Original Message ----- From: jeff sinclair Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:34 PM To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... While I have also read The Executioners Death Squad, I did collect baseballcards as a kid in the late 60's and early 70's. As my homepage states, I was fortunate that my mom hung on to the shoeboxes that were under my bed (complete with rotted gum bands (or rubbers to some of you) sticking to the cards. Still, I figure those sets/cards equal about 30% of my current collection. All of my sets from 75-79 are pure OBC as are the sets from 60-67. Keep in mind that I was born in 61 so the childhood cards fall into that 7-12age group when boys are looking for heroes. Some of my others were The Rawhide Kid, Sgt. Fury, and Captain Savage. I still leaf the old comics from time to time and they share space in what has become known as "The Shrine" in our home. My Dad often told how my Mother, while carrying me, wet her pants with excitement at Forbes Field when Maz hit a homerun in game 1 of the World Series so his cards have always been my favorites (the stub is in TheShrine). Do you remember the feel of the candy store steps? ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:35 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Spike and I were just yakking about how it might be interesting to find outhow many of us were successful =E2=9Cpackrats=E2=9D and managed to hang on to stuff in spite of our mothers. Probably quite a few had to start from scratch again=E2=A6.and maybe some didn=E2=99t even collect at all as kids. (But I rather doubt that in OBC.) With that in mind, I=E2=99ll be sending out a Ramblings Poll, asking what approximate % of your present collection has been part of you since you were a kid. Email votes won=E2=99t count, you will have to use the Poll link. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:00:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: hard question to answer From: "rayluurs" I have been able to keep every card I had as a child, but what makes the question hard is OBC has me addicted to card collecting again that as i inventory just the Topp cards i am collecting i am zeroing on the 23,000 mark (no dups but some variations) i know i only had maybe 3000 cards (counting dups) until i was envinioned by OBC that when you grow up you dont have to put your childish toys away ================= To: Subject: childhood cards Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:09:39 -0800 From: "terry ellis" I didn't have many, I spent all my money in competive slot car racing. I got into cards when my oldest son asked me to drive him to a card show 80 miles away in 1989. kit okamuro ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:46:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: HOFer Sighting From: brockhattox@cs.com I had to get out of the hospital today for a couple of hours, so I dropped by Lyndhurst Luggage and Shoe Repair (in an eastern Cleveland suburb) to chat with my old friend Sandy Siegler. Sandy was one of the few people I could get to go to Indians games with me in the 1980's, even when I was supplying tickets on the third row behind home plate in the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium. We even made three spring training trips to Arizona and FL together. Sandy has a great collection of old baseball gloves and mitts, and has asked me to put together a 1953 Topps Indians subset for him. While we were chatting, Bob Feller walked in to get Sandy to fix a zipper on an Indians jacket for him. I had a chance to talk with him for about 10 minutes. He has a lot of opinions, political and otherwise. A big issue for him is that modern day players are breaking his records without missing 3 or 4 years as he did serving in the Navy during WWII. We talked about card collecting, Hank Aaron, and a number of topics. Remembering Pete Rose's comment to the effect that the only baseballs that are more plentiful than new balls are all the ones with Bob Feller's autograph on it, I did not ask him to sign anything. I already had a couple of meaningful items that he had signed for me many years ago. Anyway, it was a memorable break from my past few days hanging around the hospital. And if anyone has any 1953 Topps dupes of Indians, please let me know. Take care, ================= Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:32:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] hard question to answer To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well I like this topic... For those of you who remember UnkPhil and FCO I outlined this in one of his issues. I have kept all my cards despite the times mom wanted to toss them. I got back into it in college when a friend of mine (circa 1979) had a copy of :::shudder::: Becketts. I remember seeing a 1970 Bench in there and it was worth $35.00!!!! I remembered that I had that card so I got home and looked through the old shoe boxes and yes that green baseball card locker. The rest is history. Most of my collection came from the ice cream man (Mr Softee) deciding whether to have sprinkles or baseball cards. I'll take my cone plain please. I was also quite the flipping shark in school so I remember getting loads of 71s that way (I call shades!). Except for the rubber bands and the Yankees in my spokes I kept them in pretty good shape. I always kept the Mets and only flipped my doubles (now known as 'dupes'). Then I got a computer...well you guys know the rest ! Thanks for the trip down memory lane, and don't hold the Beckett against me. I guess I owe something to that book... ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOFer Sighting Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 21:09:01 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" I have a #2 Luke Easter & #80 Jim Hegan from the 53 set if you need them.... Just say the word... OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 5:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] HOFer Sighting > I had to get out of the hospital today for a couple of hours, so I dropped by Lyndhurst Luggage and Shoe Repair (in an eastern Cleveland suburb) to chat with my old friend Sandy Siegler. Sandy was one of the few people I could get to go to Indians games with me in the 1980's, even when I was supplying tickets on the third row behind home plate in the old Cleveland Municipal Stadium. We even made three spring training trips to Arizona and FL together. Sandy has a great collection of old baseball gloves and mitts, and has asked me to put together a 1953 Topps Indians subset for him. > While we were chatting, Bob Feller walked in to get Sandy to fix a zipper on an Indians jacket for him. I had a chance to talk with him for about 10 minutes. He has a lot of opinions, political and otherwise. A big issue for him is that modern day players are breaking his records without missing 3 or 4 years as he did serving in the Navy during WWII. We talked about card collecting, Hank Aaron, and a number of topics. Remembering Pete Rose's comment to the effect that the only baseballs that are more plentiful than new balls are all the ones with Bob Feller's autograph on it, I did not ask him to sign anything. I already had a couple of meaningful items that he had signed for me many years ago. > Anyway, it was a memorable break from my past few days hanging around the hospital. And if anyone has any 1953 Topps dupes of Indians, please let me > Take care, > Brock > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "obc" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 22:35:23 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Hm....where to begin. I have two older brothers. So our card collection dates from about 1959 (we did have two 1958s and three 1956 Konstantys). We really began to buy cards in 1965 and, once upon a time, I had a ton of dups from 1965-1971. Originally we all had separate collections, but sometime in the late 60's all of the cards got mixed together. My mother did not throw any of them out. In fact, she still occasionally finds a couple of cards packed away that she sends my way. We also come from a long line of packrats. Somewhere along the line I took ownership of the shared collection. The cards have traveled with me from Western NY to Boston to the Washington area. My wife puts up with them and me--life isn't so bad. I probably have about 50% of my original cards still in my collection. One brother wrote his name on his cards and the other would put together different teams and batting orders (his cards might have 5 CF or 1 SS on the back). The rest of the originals have been shared with other big kids in card collecting land. Take care OBC, peter mead ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 06:22:58 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Beckett Vintage? From: Originaleek@webtv.net Is the January issue of Beckett Vintage out yet? If not when? My local Card Shop Owner / Dealer Scum only has the December issue. When I asked when the January issue would be available his response was "when they send it to me I'll have it available." Brilliant response, but not too We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:43:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ken Morganti in Beckett article From: "David Skoglund" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "George Vrechek" > I just got home and went through my mail. The January issue of Vintage Beckett Sports Collectibles arrived. I buy it for the articles rather than the prices - kind of like getting Playboy to read the There are articles in Playboy? Since when? ;) ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:31:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Buckett OBC Article From: dsh46@aol.com I would think the Buckett article could be scanned and posted in PDF format on the files section of the Yahoogroups OBC page. I can scan it (when I get my copy) into Adobe Acrobat and upload it pretty easily. I'm pretty sure a 2 page PDF won't exceed the file size limit (which I do not know, hence the guess.....). Hopefully my mag arrives today--even though there seems to be more and more UV stuff in it every issue. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 23:51:51 EST Subject: (no subject) To: alcattle@earthlink.net, judgeguy@juno.com, Friar4@aol.com, From: sassyrock@aol.com n a message dated 12/9/2003 2:40:48 PM Central Standard Time, sfreegar@gmpexpress.net writes: > From: "Pledge.Of.Allegiance" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:03 AM > Subject: SUPREME COURT TO RULE ON PLEDGE > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > (Forward this message to your friends) > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > 12/8/03 > The fate of the Pledge of Allegiance rests in The Supreme Court! > To voice my support for the Pledge of Allegiance, I have > signed a Grassfire.net petition calling on the U.S. Supreme > Court to support the Pledge of Allegiance by reversing an > earlier ruling that found the Pledge to un-Constitutional. > This is a critical case that if not overturned, could affect > other critical foundational documents in our nation. > By adding my name to the 543,356 citizens who are > standing to save the Pledge, I am sending a message to the U.S. > Supreme Court that I expect them to do everything in their power > to protect and preserve our Pledge of Allegiance for the > generations of citizens that follow. > Please click here and join me in signing this crucial petition and > have your petition delivered to the Supreme Court and Congress: > http://gfir.ws/14/pledge.asp?PID=5133349 > Sincerely, Sassy Freegard Schoenrock ================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 05:21:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: 20 card Venezuelan lots on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Two different years, both lots at $5.50 right now. 1960: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2770932270&category=2929&rd=1 1962: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2770930883&category=2929&rd=1 Definitely in OBC shape and hard to come by regardless. Buy the lot and hit 20 type sets! Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:33:50 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm fortunate in that I kept ALL of my cards (67-77) from when I was a kid. Except for the ones I've redistributed to OBC. They never left my sight, as I never really lost interest in BB Cards. It's the hobby in general,and specifically the money grubber/investors that kept me away from actively collecting until 4-5 years ago, thanks mainly to OBC and to a lesser extent I too can remember my first buying a pack of BB cards at a young age. Theywere the 1967 Topps Red Sox sticker cards. I was 5 in 1967. For some reason I remember very vividly walking to the store with my Father and little sister. My sister got some non-sports cards and I got the stickers. My sister droped her gum and cried, so my Father picked it up, took it home, washed it off and gave it back to her! I still have the Jerry Stephenson fromthat day, the other two didn't survive, so I guess I really only have %99.9 of my cards. Great question Grant, I encourage more like it. I'm sure there are lots ofgreat stories we can/should be sharing with each other. thanks OBC!!! ================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 09:50:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] (no subject) To: Sassyrock@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 12/11/03 11:27:53 PM Central Standard Time, sassyrock@aol.com writes: The fate of the Pledge of Allegiance rests in The Supreme Court! ok, at some point, the political postings on the rambling servers need to stop. if you feel the need to express this type of opinion, please send it to the individual members you feel would be interested. i am not talking about a guy in iraq who thought it was wonderful that the prez had thanksgiving dinner with them. but any postings that express political, religious or other such potentially contentious views really have no place on the servers. my 2 cents worth. ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:11:41 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Guess since I started this, I might as well chirp in. Pretty good response to the Poll=1B$B!D=1B(B24 votes so far. Looks like we have quite afew world-class packrats in our midst. I happen to be one of them, as Mikey D. and the Family Toad can attest. Most of my early stash of cards came from flipping at school. Then I discovered just how lucrative it could be cashing in pop bottles. I usually took them to Plaza Grocery, which was run by a very nice Chinese couple, Gord and Edie. They would pay me 25 cents (this was around 1961) to deliver groceries on my bicycle, knowing full well that when I returned to the store, they would soon have their money back, and I would have 5 packs of cards to open. They also had a pop machine in the store, and were quite happy to let me retrieve the bottle caps with the hockey and football players on the tops. Bags upon bags of the damn things=1B$B!D=1B(Bdrove my folks NUTS. I would also shovel snow off their sidewalk, which seemed huge, and they would give me a dollar. Same result, they got their money back real quick, and my stash of cards and comics would increase. Now what to do with all this stuff=1B$B!D=1B(Bmy parents tried to convince me to toss the previous year=1B$B!G=1B(Bs cards. Not a chance. Luckily, we had a double garage, so one day I went up into the rafters and built a small platform, which steadily got bigger. Comics, cards, and all my treasures, including the windshield of my first car, a 1958 Ford=1B$B!D=1B(B..what a tank! Never know when you might one of those. Eventually, around 1971, I moved out, leaving them all behind. If my goodies had been in the house, they would have been gone. A couple of years later, my Dad called me and asked if there was a reason for a windshield being up in the rafters, as he was going to clean out the garage in preparation for selling the house. YOIKS! Several trips later in my =1B$B!G=1B(B68 Triumph Spitfire (what a chick magnet=1B$B!D=1B(Bit was purple!) I had retrieved my boxes of cards and comics. Hard to fit a Ford windshield into a Spitfire, so it got left behind. Kind of miss it. Have really enjoyed reading the stories=1B$B!D=1B(Bthanks to Spike for the inspiration to set up the poll=1B$B!D=1B(BI think it is set to close Saturday, exercize your democratic rights, and vote! I'm fortunate in that I kept ALL of my cards (67-77) from when I was a kid. Except for the ones I've redistributed to OBC. They never left my sight, as I never really lost interest in BB Cards. It's the hobby in general, and specifically the money grubber/investors that kept me away from actively collecting until 4-5 years ago, thanks mainly to OBC and to a lesser extent Ebay. I too can remember my first buying a pack of BB cards at a young age. They were the 1967 Topps Red Sox sticker cards. I was 5 in 1967. For some reason I remember very vividly walking to the store with my Father and little sister. My sister got some non-sports cards and I got the stickers. My sister droped her gum and cried, so my Father picked it up, took it home, washed it off and gave it back to her! I still have the Jerry Stephenson from that day, the other two didn't survive, so I guess I really only have %99.9 of my cards. Great question Grant, I encourage more like it. I'm sure there are lots of great stories we can/should be sharing with each other. thanks OBC!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 07:56:00 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cards kept from childhood To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Hey all, How much of my collection did I keep from childhood? All of it fortunately, but I'm not exactly old. My first cards were from 1980, barely enough for those first Orosco and Henderson cards. Collected actively up through 1987, then in fits and spurts into the early 90s. It wasn't girls that made me stop collecting--my first girlfriend actually had her own cards! Just didn't have many other friends who were interested and got turned off by the glut of products hitting the market. I followed comics more avidly and sold off some "major" cards (Dale Murphy RC, etc) for comic money. My Garvey collection started around that time and continues. In 1980, any card older than 1979 seemed old--like REALLY old. A 1974 Hal Lanier was the oldest I had for several years, until some friends of my Dad passed along a plastic locker with a couple dozen 1969s in it. Still have the 1969s as part of that set, but I think the Lanier moved on to another OBCer. Everything newer than 1972 Topps is slowly being taken apart, keeping my OBC card supply plentiful. Thus, just about everthing I bought originally has departed, but only after joining OBC. Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 01:32:03 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards you have kept since you were a kid... To: grains@dccnet.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com Content-Language: en I've been following this thread from the beginning but Grant really sparked some old memories, so, as we used to say in the Navy, "stand by for a ram". Baseball Cards, the early years: I recall having baseball cards from 1953 and 1954 Bowman, not very many probably two or three packs each year, then a very few packs of 1955, 56 and some 57 Topps. I was eight years old in '53 and I can't really remember just where I got those cards, but I would guess someone gave them to me probably for my birthday (April). Baseball cards, middle years: In the summer of '57 we moved, and I had a new friend, Butch (Charles now) who lived across the street. We were the same age and we were both the only child, so we had a lot in common. We used to ride our bikes to the drug store every so often and pick up a few packs of baseball cards. Somtimes I wouldbuy some from the candy store by school also. The thought of actively collecting baseball cards didn't seem to ever occur to either of us, we would play with our cards, put them in our spokes or if there was a loaded bb gun around some would be executed. I did manage to hang onto a few of my cards though but not Where are my baseball cards? I used to blame my mother for throwing my cards away, but she never was one to throw anything from my childhood away. No, I think as I approched driving age those cards went along with my electric trains and most of anything I had of any value so that I could buy my first car. It was a 1954 ford and I bought it for $100 in the fall of 1963. That was the end of baseball cardsfor long time. Like Grant, my next car a couple of years later was a Triumph, mine was a 1961 TR3 and as I liked to tell my son when he was young and gullibleI would tell him how I had to keep a stick handy to chase away all the girls that wanted to go for a ride. Baseball cards, the later years: I became aware of baseball cards again in the mid 1980's when I would buy cards for my daughter and son. After a few years they had shoe boxes of cards, but they lost interest as they got to be "to old" for baseball cards and I was left with no one to take to card shows or buy cards for any more. I finally started collecting cards myself, then came OBC and here I am, as they say the rest is history. Thanks for coming along with my stroll down memory lane. In a message dated 12/12/2003 10:25:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: Guess since I started this, I might as well chirp in. Pretty good response to the Poll=E2=A624 votes so far. Looks like we have quite a few world-class in our midst. I happen to be one of them, as Mikey D. and the Family Toad can attest. Most of my early stash of cards came from flipping at school. ThenI discovered just how lucrative it could be cashing in pop bottles. I usually took them to Plaza Grocery, which was run by a very nice Chinese couple, Gord and Edie. They would pay me 25 cents (this was around 1961) to deliver groceries on my bicycle, knowing full well that when I returned to the store, would soon have their money back, and I would have 5 packs of cards to open. also had a pop machine in the store, and were quite happy to let me retrieve the bottle caps with the hockey and football players on the tops. Bags upon bags of the damn things=E2=A6drove my folks NUTS. I would also shovel snow off their sidewalk, which seemed huge, and they would give me a dollar. Same result, they got their money back real quick, and my stash of cards and comics would increase. Now what to do with all this stuff=E2=A6my parents tried to convince me to toss the previous year=E2=99s cards. Not a chance. Luckily, we had a double so one day I went up into the rafters and built a small platform, which steadily got bigger. Comics, cards, and all my treasures, including the windshield my first car, a 1958 Ford=E2=A6..what a tank! Never know when you might need of those. Eventually, around 1971, I moved out, leaving them all behind. Ifmy goodies had been in the house, they would have been gone. A couple of years later, my Dad called me and asked if there was a reason for a windshield being up in the rafters, as he was going to clean out the garage in preparation for selling the house. YOIKS! Several trips later in my =E2=9968 Triumph Spitfire a chick magnet=E2=A6it was purple!) I had retrieved my boxes of cards and Hard to fit a Ford windshield into a Spitfire, so it got left behind. Kind of miss it. Have really enjoyed reading the stories=E2=A6thanks to Spike for the inspiration to set up the poll=E2=A6I think it is set to close Saturday, so exercizeyour democratic rights, and vote! I'm fortunate in that I kept ALL of my cards (67-77) from when I was a kid. Except for the ones I've redistributed to OBC. They never left my sight, as I never really lost interest in BB Cards. It's the hobby in general, and specifically the money grubber/investors that kept me away from actively collecting until 4-5 years ago, thanks mainly to OBC and to a lesser extentEbay. I too can remember my first buying a pack of BB cards at a young age. They were the 1967 Topps Red Sox sticker cards. I was 5 in 1967. For some reason remember very vividly walking to the store with my Father and little sister. My sister got some non-sports cards and I got the stickers. My sister droped her gum and cried, so my Father picked it up, took it home, washed it off and gave it back to her! I still have the Jerry Stephenson from that day, the other two didn't survive, so I guess I really only have %99.9 of my cards. Great question Grant, I encourage more like it. I'm sure there are lots of great stories we can/should be sharing with each other. thanks OBC!!! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Oh Boy another Variation! Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 09:48:21 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" This week's SCD reports in Bob Lemke's column that Arizona collector Steve Magelli has found that #43 1953 Bowman Black and White of Hal Bevan comes with either his correct birthyear of 1930 or the more common error version of 1950. Incredible that variations still pop up after 50 years. So put me down for looking for the error version since I found that my card shows 1930. I'd be interested to find out what year is on the cards of the OBC 1953 B&W collectors to confirm whether the correct version is more difficult. The article made the point that if Bowman stopped the presses to correct this card, might there be other variations in this heretofor variation-less set. They certainly corrected away in 1954. Another variation reported was the 1989 Fleer #381 of Randy Johnson. A scarce version has a Marlboro sign in the background. The common version has itblacked out. Ops! Sorry I ventured past 1980 but thought the variation fans would want to know. George Vrechek ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: I'll agree with Gary.... Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:16:57 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" as to keeping the emails out of politics, personal freedoms (or lack thereof), and throw in religion and a few other topics. Our positions are probably all over the map and I wouldn't assume in an email that the majority of OBC'ers necessarily even believe in Santa Claus. For me it is more enjoyable if we just stick to the cardboard and helping fellow members as appropriate. George Vrechek ================= To: vrechek@ameritech.net Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 14:42:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I'll agree with Gary.... From: Bob Saxton OBC'ers not believing in Santa Claus???????????? Simply Shocking, George!!!!!! OBCers are Santa Clauses *smile* On Sat, 13 Dec 2003 12:16:57 -0600 "George Vrechek" writes: as to keeping the emails out of politics, personal freedoms (or lack thereof), and throw in religion and a few other topics. Our positions are probably all over the map and I wouldn't assume in an email that the majority of OBC'ers necessarily even believe in Santa For me it is more enjoyable if we just stick to the cardboard and helping fellow members as appropriate. George Vrechek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. http://www.Writing.Com/authors/judgeguy ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 15:17:46 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh Boy another Variation! To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com My '53 BBW Bevan list his birthyear as 1930. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:40:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Posties From: "jimbo777777" Still closing in on those '63s and '61s. Got 16 to go, if all my ebay lots comine in, to finish the '63s, and just 3 to go to finish the '61s. On the '61s, our own Frank Thomas was won today, leaving just Jim Lemon, Roy McMillan, and the dreaded Chuck Estrada. Got a couple of availables to post: 1961 Wally Moon, #159 1963 Al Kaline, #51 Both are what I would call VG condition. No writing this time! No runs, no rips, no tears. Got some wear on them, but not bad at all. I think the Kaline might be a jello, he's a bit smaller than usual. Anybody want to give these a good home? ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 22:43:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Speaking of Santa.... From: "jimbo777777" Secret Santa has struck the hilltowns. My Santa looks suspiciously like the beloved Trader Doug. Who'd have thought, Santa in Texas.... How many shopping days til Christmas? I'm dyin' here! Thanks Doug! ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 18:14:13 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 71 Milk Duds Checklist anyone? From: Dan Austin Does anyone have a complete (electronic) checklist for the 71 Milk Duds set, so I can avoid typing it in by hand? If so, your help would be greatly appreciated! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: 14 Dec 2003 01:23:42 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: As George V. reported from Bob Lemke's SCD column, there's a variation discovered on a 53 Bowman B&W #43 Hal Bevan. Please check the 2 choices that apply to help us verify the "1950 error" is the most common version. It is an ongoing poll, so change your vote as you acquire cards. The DOB listed on my card(s) is: o I have 0 with 1930 o I have 1 with 1930 o I have 2 with 1930 o I have 3 with 1930 o I have 4 with 1930 o I have 5 with 1930 o I have 6 with 1930 o I have 7 with 1930 o I have 7+ with 1930 o I have 0 with 1950 o I have 1 with 1950 o I have 2 with 1950 o I have 3 with 1950 o I have 4 with 1950 o I have 5 with 1950 o I have 6 with 1950 o I have 7 with 1950 o I have 8 with 1950 o I have 9 with 1950 o I have 10 with 1950 o I have 11 with 1950 o I have 12 with 1950 o I have 13 with 1950 o I have 14 with 1950 o I have 14+ with 1950 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11508394 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:11:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oh Boy another Variation! To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com My #43 Bevan is born in 1950. I believe Joshua reported his was born 1930, so this is true. > This week's SCD reports in Bob Lemke's column that Arizona collector Steve > Magelli has found that #43 1953 Bowman Black and White of Hal Bevan comes > with either his correct birthyear of 1930 or the more common error version of > 1950. Incredible that variations still pop up after 50 years. So put me down > for looking for the error version since I found that my card shows 1930. I'd be > interested to find out what year is on the cards of the OBC 1953 B&W > collectors to confirm whether the correct version is more difficult. ================= Date: 14 Dec 2003 02:31:59 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What approximate per centage of your present (pre-1980) collection were you able to hang on to since you were a CHOICES AND RESULTS - Zero, 3 votes, 12.00% - 10%-25%, 6 votes, 24.00% - 25%-50%, 4 votes, 16.00% - 50%-75%, 3 votes, 12.00% - over 75%, 9 votes, 36.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - Zero - JEdward@aol.com - lynnm@piol.net - larry.tipton@netzero.net - 10%-25% - tldietrick@yahoo.com - obc_spike@yahoo.com - mheilenman@comcast.net - dodgergeo@elite.net - dan@iamdanaustin.com - marcpeter@juno.com - 25%-50% - nthomas@pol.net - suzguy11@hotmail.com - Originaleek@webtv.net - cardguybaseball@yahoo.com - 50%-75% - greenwood@integrity.com - familytoad@harborside.com - keithsummers@webtv.net - over 75% - tply@aol.com - LUURSCJG@aol.com - boreed@hotmail.com - brockhattox@cs.com - kgoetsch@gdinet.com - grains@dccnet.com - obcbobd@comcast.net - hoot-owl@comcast.net - tknowles@sofast.net For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:42:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa From: "coop951" Hi All I've been out of the loop for a while and missed the secret Santa sweepstakes. Can I still get on board. Does anyone else need a Jim Cooper ================= Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2003 21:44:09 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Bowman B&W #43 Hal Bevan variation poll update From: keithsummers@webtv.net From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: 14 Dec 2003 01:23:42 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 03:38:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Original Frank Thomas From: "mikesportsfan" I recently had sent a puffy to Frank Thomas with a 1961 #554 which was on his list. I also included about a dozen cards of his and asked him to sign them for me to distribute throughout OCB. Of course I sent him a stamped puffy for their return. Frank signed 2 cards and returned everything else to me with a note. He mentioned that he has had some bad experiences with people who get his autograph and then resell them or trade it for value. He suggested that I distribute the cards throughout OBC and let those members send him the cards directly for his autograph. So if you would like a Frank card, please LMK. I still have 11 left. Note: some are retro UV issues and some are in OBC shape. Frank also had returned the 1961 #554 I sent him. I do not know if he still needs it or not, so I am going to resend it to him. His letter indicated that he had not heard from anyone from OBC in at least 3 years. I had not paid attention when I sent him the cards, but his OBC list was last updated in February, 2001. I had E-mailed Dave Kolenda at the time I was sending the #554 to Frank, but the list was not updated. I do not know what he currently needs and will try to find out. Frank also offered me to send him MY wantlist and he offered to see if he had any dupes that I need. I understand his reluctance to autograph all the cards I sent, although I felt I was being efficient and saving folks from supporting the PO. If you saw the OCB shape of a couple of the ones I sent, you would know this is not what a dealer would send. I was more surprised and disappointed that he had not received anything from an OBCer in so long. I realize his lists are almost as difficult as a few others in the group (including mine?), but thought he would occassionally receive a card from someone in the group. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:16:35 EST Subject: Re: Pledge To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com In a message dated 12/12/2003 4:45:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: From: sassyrock@aol.com Subject: (no subject) n a message dated 12/9/2003 2:40:48 PM Central Standard Time, sfreegar@gmpexpress.net writes: > From: "Pledge.Of.Allegiance" > To: > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 9:03 AM > Subject: SUPREME COURT TO RULE ON PLEDGE I'm gonna have to put my foot down here. The Court is ruling on two words in the pledge, that were added in the 1950's and are not part of the original wording, and not the pledge itself. I'm as political as the next guy but I really don't think this is the place for such discussions. ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 00:26:03 EST Subject: Re: OBC LI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey All: I have had an underwhelming response to my Tuesday after Christmas invite for local OBC'ers to get together in my fabulous basement. Right now I have 2 confimed attending and zero maybes. Would it be better if I moved it back two days to the Sunday after Christmas? LMK. ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:26:21 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Pledge To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Please get control and stop all this stuff! Happy Holidays all ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 12:14:22 EST Subject: Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2773029777: ORIG. T-205 COBB BASE... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I have bought from this dealer many many times and this is a pretty good price for a t-205 cobb. ================= To: "Wite3@aol.com" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2773029777: ORIG. T-205 COBB BASE... Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 09:46:09 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" I'll second Joshua's recommendation of this dealer - I wonder if he takes lawn mowers... ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/14/2003 9:14:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2773029777: ORIG. T-205 COBB BASE... I have bought from this dealer many many times and this is a pretty good price for a t-205 cobb. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:01:07 EST Subject: Re: 53 Bowman Bevan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Well, my Bevan has the date as 1950. The world's youngest rookie? ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:04:05 EST Subject: Re: OBC LI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Well, I mentioned the proposed date change to Sunday the 28th to my wife and her response was "So, you're missing the Giants game"? I, of course, have tickets for Jim Fassel's last game and plans that are pretty far along for that day. So, ignore my brain fart--looks like it will have to be on the Tuesday after all. ================= To: Subject: Card ID Help Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:48:40 -0500 From: "Brian Dwyer" I was just browsing eBay and came up this auction with some vintage baseball cards in it. Any idea what set these might be from? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2773186027&category31722 ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 20:29:06 EST Subject: possible maris variation To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com The 1965 Maris #155 shows him born in 1934. The 1966 #635 has him born in 1931. Which is correct and was the incorrect one ever corrected? Who can shed ================= Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 22:19:11 EST Subject: Butterfingers? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Who was it that was working on the 1934 Butterfinger set. I picked up two fairly cheap today... Melillo St. Louis cards Mancuso NY Giants Both are not mint but really not too bad for this paper issue. ================= Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 06:59:46 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Santa arrives! From: Originaleek@webtv.net My Secret Santa reveals himself via a puffy from down Indiana way. He's none other than Randy Griffin. Randy was one of the first OBCers I had contact with and was instrumental in my getting into the group, so he truly is a Santa to me. Proper thanks for the contents of my puffy will unfortunately have to wait until the 25th. Since I can resist everything but temptation, this is a tall order. As my Granddaughter would say, "How many more go-to-beds and wake-ups is that"? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 15 Dec 2003 19:18:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Keep us in your thoughts From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Like several other OBCers recently, my wife, Emmi, is having major surgery. This Wednesday morning she is scheduled to have an abdominal hysterectomy, so we would appreciate any thoughts or prayers you send our way. We expect the procedure to go normally and that she should be home by Saturday or Monday. Thanks Brock for your support and my best to Debbie during her recovery. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Thanks] Christmas cards! Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:05:13 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" -----Original Message----- From: Chris Stufflestreet [mailto:chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com] Sent: 15 December 2003 19:52 To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Christmas cards! Something that I always got a kick out of is the way that some players had their off-season jobs listed on the backs. Here are some from the stack Lynn sent: Danny Thompson: Member of Twins' Tours troupe Terry Harmon: House painter Dennis Ribant: Hockey player Bobby Klaus: Works for San Diego Union-Tribune Jerry Johnson: Iron worker Imagine some of today's players having to take up a job painting houses or working in an iron factory to make a little extra money... Chris, I can think of at least 5 players on the Tigers (perhaps more?) who I'm sure would make better house painters than ball players! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: 15 Dec 2003 21:14:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I've got the following 1954 Topps Scoop Cards availble. Preference given to those actually working on the set. If no one needs these for their set then they go up for grabs. Topps Scoop cards - 42, 54, 61, 62, 63, 117, 144 ================= To: Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 19:31:32 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: 63fleer new set added 1963 fleer needneed1.2.4.5.6.7.10.12.14.15.17.18.20.21.22.23.24.25.26.30.31.32.33.3435.36.37.38.39.40.43.44.45.47.48.49.50.51.52.53.54.55.57.58.59.60.= 61.62.63.65.66. thanks. prefer ex since all the rest are graded. thanks ,lmk if you can help , kit okamuro ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2003 20:51:58 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Mr. Web For those that remember him, I had a great conversation with former OBCer Bill Ebbing this evening. It was great to hear from him & a lot of fun catching up. He's doing well. If anyone wants his contact info, LMK. ================= To: Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 06:02:57 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Subject: PuckLuck Mattman sends a pot luck package primarily made up of 75/76 hockey cards with a number of my Buffalo Sabres. Along for the ride was a 56 Topps Ike Delock. Anyone know how how picked up the nickname Ike? I don't think he looks anything like Eisenhower and I don't think Ike is a derivative of Ivan--so any guesses? thanks Matt, peter mead ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 21:15:05 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: OBC Dues? I'm not sure but if I remember correctly, wasn't Dec 1st the date for OBC dues? I haven't seen any emails about this and I'm not sure who is the keeper. Just thought I'd find out, my paypal account is ready to send... ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 19:02:53 -0800 (PST) To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dues? I was thinking the same thing warlier tonight. OBCAC? Mike W ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: I'm not sure but if I remember correctly, wasn't Dec 1st the date for OBC dues? I haven't seen any emails about this and I'm not sure who is the keeper. Just thought I'd find out, my paypal account is ready to send... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:04:53 EST To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dues? In a message dated 12/16/2003 9:03:37 PM Central Standard Time, wierzbickim@ameritech.net writes: I was thinking the same thing warlier tonight. OBCAC? Mike W ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: I'm not sure but if I remember correctly, wasn't Dec 1st the date for OBC dues? I haven't seen any emails about this and I'm not sure who is the keeper. Just thought I'd find out, my paypal account is ready to send... excuse me , teacher. did you forget to assign homework today? ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:19:28 EST To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dues? Hold up on the dues for now. Discussions are taking place. - The treasurer ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:29:30 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: IDing the 1954's Time to ask, for I do not know. The Topps 1954 set I am about to start, picked up the Jackie card and a few others, but I've been seeing that there are the Archives set which is fairly easy to identify from a ebay picture and have had a few of them myself but how to you ID a Sports Illustrated issued card?? Getting nervous when I was searching for the Aaron and Williams cards, some said SI issue and others didn't and I can't tell a diffrence!! John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 22:44:04 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, wierzbickim@ameritech.net, ChicoD1@aol.com, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dues? Wow, it looks like the AC is active! ================= Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 20:25:41 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dues? Oh-oh...As a taxpayer, I've noticed that whenever the representatives (city, state and Congress alike) hold "discussions," I usually find a little more money leaving my check very soon... Sorry if this offended anybody out there who don't care for political discussions, but that's the way it I was also wondering about the dues notices being late, but figured I'd just keep my mouth shut and we'd hear about it soon enough. But when the discussions are over, I'll be ready to send my cash to Texas. Take care, --- Traderdoug@aol.com wrote: > Hold up on the dues for now. Discussions are taking > place. - The treasurer Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 02:33:27 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: More eBay trash Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 18:53:22 +0000 From: eBay Subject: 0fficial Notice for all eBay users To: Digdugdig ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 07:42:35 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Auction with a twist... Maybe there is some hope after all. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:54:19 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction with a twist... Content-Language: en In a message dated 12/17/03 9:44:56 AM Central Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: Maybe there is some hope after all=E2=A6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2773764431&category55917 great stuff, but meanwhile, people are bidding on the item anyway LOL ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 06:33:48 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Auction with a twist... Maybe there is some hope after all. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 10:31:31 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Oops... Sorry guys.wasn't trying to be insistent here.seems a gremlin got into my email program somehow.sorry. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:24:03 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: FW: Baseball image I got this in my email...did anybody else get this? Any clues on the pictures. The really weird thing is that I'm from St. Cloud...seems like an unusual coincidence...maybe too unusual. >From: Marty Sundvall >Reply-To: mjsundvall@STCLOUDSTATE.EDU >To: obcmac@HOTMAIL.COM >Subject: Baseball image >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:32:29 -0600 >Greetings ... >I was perusing your page ... was wondering if this image, posted here: >http://webpages.charter.net/bluesdog/vis.1.2.jpg ..looks at all familiar to >you ... we play in a Trivia marathon every February that is put on by the >college radio station here in St. Cloud, Minnesota (http://www.kvsc.org/) >... and this is one of the visual clues that we have to find information >about ... my initial search led me to your page ... thus, I was wondering >if you had any information ... >Marty Sundvall >St. Cloud State Athletic Media Relations Make your home warm and cozy this winter with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:39:38 EST To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: Baseball image Well all...correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ted Williams start his career in St. Cloud, MN in the minors...baseball and hunting were his two big loves and was fantastic at both. ================= Date: 17 Dec 2003 23:11:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: All O.K. Just a brief update: Surgery went well today. Emmi is out of recovery but still groggy. No signs of anything abnormal. Now begins the rehab process. Thanks to all for the OBC thoughts and prayers. It's nice to know that you've got a great bunch of folks in your corner. ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 19:09:32 EST To: Wite3@aol.com, obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: Baseball image Damn.Joshua. You're incredible. How do you remember all this stuff? - Doug ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 20:14:21 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: Baseball image Mr. Trivia has a mind for useless junk...ask me what a e-101 looks like, no prob...ask me where my car keys are..i dont know. :) ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:38:14 -0800 (PST) To: Grant Rainsley , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction with a twist... Now that is certainly an innovative way to deal with the "you jerk! you ripped me off" emails that often follow these PRO-graded auctions. The guy is flat out tellig the potential bidder that he's selling a piece of scrap. Honesty from a dealer selling a PRO card? That's quite interesting. For the record...yes, I would buy a '54B Mantle PRO card if the price was decent (like $25; it's trimmed), but my first order of business would be to liberate that sucker. Take care, --- Grant Rainsley wrote: > Maybe there is some hope after all. > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem 55917> &item=2773764431&category=55917 > Grant Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 18:59:01 -0800 (PST) To: digdugdig@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More eBay trash I love ripping into these. I could make my own website picking these letters apart, but it wouldn't do any good because (just like the poor novice who visits my vintage cards website AFTER paying $50 for a AAA-graded cutout from some old media guide) it will be too late before the victim starts looking around to see what happened. Once again, I use an old email address with my eBay account, one whose domain changed long ago. I immediately email sellers when I win bids, and they understand. But I don't get any of these pesky emails...I'll deal with eBay if they ever shut down my account (but for 2 years, they haven't seemed to >Dear eBay User, >During our regular udpate and verification of the >accounts, we couldn't verify your current >information. Either your information has changed or >it is incomplete. >As a result, your access to bid or buy on Ebay has >been restricted. To start using your eBay account >fully, please update and verify your information by >clicking below : This can be answered once and for all by a simple visit to eBay. There shouldn't be any need to click the link below. What gets me is...if they didn't have any current information, then HOW did they get your email address? Does eBay send agents door-to-door to verify that you still live at the address you've listed? Do they call your phone number just to see if you answer? But, I digress. >https://scgi.ebay.com/saw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?>VerifyInformation If you let your mouse hover over the link shown here, it reveals a different web address in the space below that shows the real destination. This is a really big red flag. >**Please Do Not Reply To This E-Mail As You Will Not >Receive A Responce** Hey Brainiac...the correct word is "response." Plus, you don't capitalize a word unless it's at the beginning of a sentence. Sadly, people have forgotten the grammar lessons they learned in grade school; perhaps they'd realize that a big company like eBay wouldn't be sending out emails with bad grammar and poor spelling. These emails are too easy to see through. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:16:07 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Brainiac/trivia/Sooners/JD Drew/Rick Elder Chris, nice reply to Brainiac! I like it :-) ================================== Congrats once again to 2003 sports trivia Champ Bob Reed who got 20 of 28 (4 more than #2) & won an OBC keychain & hat! Don't let the dogs chew on this hat Bob! I have already been noting trivia for a 2004 contest :-) ================================== Go Sooners! I'd say they caught a break & USC got ripped off. But I'll still be cheering for them vs LSU where they'll hopefully win the National Championship! ================================== I see the Braves got J.D. Drew! I like that as he is one of my top 10 fav current players. Sheffield was in those 10 also & he is now gone, as is Maddux & Javy :-( ================================== Rick Elder has gone from the Baltimore Orioles to the Cleveland Indians I read. I'm hoping he'll eventually become the 4th Sprayberry High School player to reach the bigs (Jim Nash /Kris Benson/ Marlon Byrd). ================================== ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:17:43 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: 49 bowmans I have a friend looking to trade 29 1949 bowmans#29.194.102.85.79.42.52.63.74.76.81.6.18.205.140.139.138.137.134.133.132.131.130.121.114.101.94.86.82.= lmk if interested with offer . will saend scans. kit okamuro. he will sell also ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:32:31 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: 1983 Donruss ================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:49:36 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: 2 books (pic attached) ================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:57:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "David Skoglund" Subject: Re: FW: Baseball image Ted Williams didn't play ball in St. Cloud. He played for the Minneapolis Millers in 1938. That picture doesn't look like Ted to me. Try this. http://collections.mnhs.org/visualresources/image.cfm?imageid=974&ImageNum=1&RecCount=1 --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > Well all...correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ted Williams start his > in St. Cloud, MN in the minors...baseball and hunting were his two big loves > and was fantastic at both. > -Joshua ================= To: Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:32:23 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: help does any know how I can change the setting so my emails don't say its from my wife terry ellis? thanks, kit okamuro ================= Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:29:01 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs Subject: Help! I've lost my wantlist! Hey folks, I'm wondering if any of you tech savvy type folks can help me out. My obc wantlist has somehow disappeared from the obc directory. When you pull up my list, you go directly to my UV page. That ain't how its supposed to be. I'm kind of a moron when it comes to computer stuff. I haven't got a clue how to fix this. I sent a message to our wantlist administrator, but haven't heard back yet. Can anybody else out there help me out with this? Paul Biggs Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 23:18:30 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FW: Baseball image I guess this depends on the definition of 'play ball'...as Ted Williams did date a girl from St. Cloud. St. Cloud did have a minor league team...I know that Orlando Cepeda spent some time there...I have never seen any information on that team. >From: "David Skoglund" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FW: Baseball image >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:57:59 -0000 >Ted Williams didn't play ball in St. Cloud. He played for the >Minneapolis Millers in 1938. >That picture doesn't look like Ted to me. Try this. >http://collections.mnhs.org/visualresources/image.cfm?imageid=974&ImageNum=1&RecCount=1 >--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > > Well all...correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ted Williams start his > > in St. Cloud, MN in the minors...baseball and hunting were his two >big loves > > and was fantastic at both. > > > > -Joshua Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com ================= To: , Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 21:45:36 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FW: Baseball image St. Cloud had a team in the Northern league from 1946 to 1971. Orlando Cepeda played for them in 1956 and led the team with a .355 batting average, 26 home runs, and 112 RBI's. Inocencio Rodriguez was a close second with .333, 20, and 111. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 8:18 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FW: Baseball image I guess this depends on the definition of 'play ball'...as Ted Williams did date a girl from St. Cloud. St. Cloud did have a minor league team...I know that Orlando Cepeda spent some time there...I have never seen any information on that team. >From: "David Skoglund" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FW: Baseball image >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 14:57:59 -0000 >Ted Williams didn't play ball in St. Cloud. He played for the >Minneapolis Millers in 1938. >That picture doesn't look like Ted to me. Try this. >http://collections.mnhs.org/visualresources/image.cfm?imageid974&ImageNum1&RecCount1 >--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > > Well all...correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ted Williams start his > > in St. Cloud, MN in the minors...baseball and hunting were his two >big loves > > and was fantastic at both. > > > > -Joshua Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:40:26 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: This post has absolutely nothing to do with cards... Today was a planning day for the schools here in Jacksonville. That means that school was out for the kids, but not for the teachers. Since my wife happens to be a teacher, I got to take the day off and watch my 5 year-old daughter. Melissa has come to understand that her Daddy is something of a baseball fan. During the recent postseason, she began to recognize the Red Sox and Yankee logos and still yells out "Ankees" whenever she sees the "NY" emblem (One of these days, she'll actually be able to pronounce the "y" too, but at her age, nobody corrects her). We went to see a Jaguars/Colts game last month and as we left the stadium, she asked if I could take her to see the Suns (Dodgers' AA affiliate) play too. I was so proud. This week, we found a glove in the closet, so today I walked her over to the local park. I walked with Melissa and showed her some of the things on a ballfield: the dugout, home plate, the pitcher's mound, whe places where three bases would normally appear, the backstop and the outfield. Then, we put on our gloves (including the one I used in middle/high school) and played catch in the infield. Melissa's small and has never used a glove before, so when she tried to put it on upside down (on the wrong hand as well), I got to show her how. When she wanted to use the glove to throw, I had to patiently explain how to throw and catch. Whenever she seemed frustrated because she couldn't catch most of what was lobbed at her, I tried to explain that she would get better with practice. I'll tell you one thing I didn't really care for...my little girl took a perverse pleasure in throwing the baseball back because she never threw to me. Whenever I almost fell over trying to scoop up her shots or having to jump to my left or right to field the ball, she giggled like a little sadist. See, Daddy's not in the same physical shape as I was when I played on the neighborhood sandlots and ahe seemed to sense it...and gleefully expoited it! Upon coming home, Melissa pulled out her flyers she brought home from school last week. One of them was for softball, and she says she wants to join a team in her age group. Now, I'm happy. I'll be happy to play catch with her again, but I really need to start working out before she finds new ways to make me pay for not being so athletic. Tonight, let me wish a happy Channukah for those OBCers who celebrate it. My wife's getting ready to light the candles now, and is letting me know in her own way that I had better step away from the computer RIGHT NOW! Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:44:55 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Website moved; techie nonsense translated into English In a message dated 12/19/03 1:15:48 PM, WMDpks@aol.com writes: << -IMPORTANT- Your account's domain information needs to propagate across the Internet. Until that propagation is completed, you must use your new IP address (207.158.230.84) in your e-mail program instead of your domain in order to send and receive e-mail messages. Note that propagation may take up to 72 hours. >> Why does that sound dirty to me? Is that where baby websites come from? All I know is I'm not doing anything for 72 hours and by Sunday we're going to be propagated all over the internet. I'm so embarrassed... or I think I am anyway. Ken M ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:34:57 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Finds I wanted to share my feeling of good fortune with someone and by being a member of OBC you are one of the few people on the face of the earth who: a) understand and b) give a hoot (maybe). Some cards on my wantlist have been added and then been found in short order. Others remain on the list for a few years. Still others survive 10 or 20years as they are too expensive or too obscure. My list has included most Diamond Star high numbers for a number of years as well as 1941 Playballs of Vince and Joe DiMaggio and Bobby Doerr. When I found a Diamond Star #106 Lucas for sale online by Gar Miller a month ago I couldn't pass it up at $30. It had the customary punch hole, creases, writing on back and dinging typical of cards of this age (as they say onebay) but it was mint in my book and reduced my wantlist down to 6 in the set. I'm at a card a decade pace for this set. On ebay I then picked up a $14 1941 Playball of Bobby Doerr or at least mostly Bobby Doerr. The seller neglected to mention that the back was actuallyupside down and contained the bio of Al "Happy" Milnar but what the heck. I had a card that was mostly Bobby Doerr. Scratch that off the list. I justneeded two of the DiMaggio brothers. No I didn't find Joe in an attic but I did find Vince along with two other cards from 1941 and 1939 advertised on ebay as something like "poor condition Playballs." They stayed under the radar and were sold to me for $1.49 ora little less than 50 cents each. Now Vince is a bit rough in that he has the typical blue-ink-stain-covering-nose and slight front paper loss problem again typical of cards of this age (and price range.) But the back was ofVince DiMaggio, had no writing, punch holes or paste - pristine to gem mint fair condition. The other two cards in the "Vrechek find" are #35 1941 Playball of Pinky Higgins and #4 1939 Playball of Elden Auker. If anyone is working on those sets and need these cards that no one in the entire world was willing to pay 50 cents each for, please let me know. If these gems are gone by the time you reply, I'll give you priority in the next "Vrechek Find." ================= Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:32:07 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Learning a lot This won't be long but must be posted as I am thankful for the education and support of two members. First off I have two relatives by marriage that are former player they are Billy Consolo and Phil Cavarretta. So I have finally taken the plunge and started the 1954 Topps set and will be making Phil Cavarretta my "type" card set. After getting a couple of cards from the Cleveland show, I was getting started and found a Jackie Robinson on Ebay, that for some reason was in the $20 price range with a couple hours left. Before bidding I asked a question to the group about spotting the differences in the reg issue and the SI issue. Thanks to Brian Dwyer for the quick response I won the card at $25. The magic envelope came but in it was a '55 Robinson. This guy had excellent feedback and was from Brooklyn. So I found more help from Robert Gioia just to get an idea if this might be a huge rip off and what to do with trying to collect the 54 and ship back the 55. Yes, today the '54 came in the mail, and the '55 went back. Thanks for the help guys. John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:29:00 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: 33 goudey ruth this also available ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 17:21:54 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IDing the 1954's The SI cards don't have an Aaron :) But as for the others, it would be tough to id the difference from a photo. The SI cards a just a tiny bit smaller, and, if someone cut them out, they may have left a white border across the top and none of the '54s with colored backgrounds have any white border on top. Once you hold the card in front of you, it is easy tosee that the SI cards are printed on magazine paper, not regular card stock. Also, the resolution on the pics seems to be just a little fuzzy with the SI cards. The Players with SI cards are: Rosen, Sernial, Mays, Mathews Snider, Turley, Fain, Antonelli, Jablonski, In case you didn't figure it out, I have a copy of the magazine... I got itfrom Grandmother :) If you want more info, just ask :) ----- Original Message ----- From: trufan999@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] IDing the 1954's Time to ask, for I do not know. The Topps 1954 set I am about to start, picked up the Jackie card and a few others, but I've been seeing that there are the Archives set which is fairly easy to identify from a ebay picture and have had a few of them myself but how to you ID a Sports Illustrated issued card?? Getting nervous when I was searching for the Aaron and Williams cards, some said SI issue and others didn't and I can't tell a diffrence!! John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:44:48 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: Beware IP Spoofing! Guys and Gals - Heres a useful "tech tip" for those of you who may think about clicking on an e-mail from PayPal or eBay. Beware that the scammers are getting smarter. Read on... http://netsquirrel.com/spoof/ - Dan Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:51:15 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Beware IP Spoofing! Yep, they got me. I remember last week responding to an odd email from Yahoo. I didn't think much of it, they weren't asking for passwords or anything like that, like the usual crooks do. But they got me. Thanks Dan, for passing this along. --- Dan Austin wrote: > Guys and Gals - > Heres a useful "tech tip" for those of you who may > think about clicking on > an e-mail from PayPal or eBay. Beware that the > scammers are getting > smarter. Read on... > http://netsquirrel.com/spoof/ > - Dan > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 13:42:28 EST To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: I'm in Buckett!! Hey gang, I got a large envelope in today's mail from Buckett magazine. Included in the envelope was the January issue of Beckett Vintage (Bo Jackson on the cover along with a couple other Heisman winners). On page 62 is the article featuring yours truly and describing our fine little group. I wanted to share it with you all, so I took a look at uploading a file which everyone in turn could download and read. Adobe Acrobat offered an online .pdf conversion service, so I tried that. The first 5 files are free, but I'm probably only going to need two. I've uploaded page 1 and 2 (both files are about 250K) to the following URL's: http://members.aol.com/kenmorganti/page1.pdf and http://members.aol.com/kenmorganti/page2.pdf (I'm going to link the files to my homepage shortly.) The letter enclosed was from an account representative who was going to contact me after the holidays to see if I had any interest in online or print advertising. Nah. We already got all the advertising from the article! LMK if you have any problems downloading the files. You'll need Adobe Acrobat to read them... or something similar. I'm no computer expert :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:18:51 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Federal legislation! In a message dated 12/18/03 5:55:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, wmfaber@nothinbut.net writes: > Federal Bill 602P > Guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P charges 5-cents per E-mail > sent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! Bill > will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on every > delivered E-mail.. > Please read the following carefully if you intend to stay online > and continue using E-mail. The last few months have revealed an alarming > trend in the Government of the United States attempting to quietly push > through legislation that will affect our use of the Internet. > Under proposed legislation, the US Postal Service will be attempting > bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage fees." > Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent surcharge > on every e-mail delivered, by billing Internet Service Providers at source. > The consumer would then be billed in turn by the ISP. Washington, DC lawyer > Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent this legislation from > becoming law. > The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, due to the > proliferation of E-mail, is costing nearly $230,000,000 in revenue per year. > You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: "There is nothing like a > letter." > Since the average person received about 10 pieces of E-mail per day > 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be an additional 50 cents a > -- or over $180 per year -- above and beyond their regular Internet costs. > Note that this would be money paid directly to the US Postal Service > a service they do not even provide. > The whole point of the Internet is democracy and noninterference. > You are already paying an exorbitant price for snail mail because of > bureaucratic inefficiency. It currently takes up to 6 days for a letter to be > delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal Service is allowed to tinker > E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" Internet in the United States. > Congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) has even suggested a > "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet service" above and beyond the > governments proposed E-mail charges. Note that most of the major newspapers > ignored the story the only exception being the > Washingtonian which called the idea of E-mail surcharge "a useful concept > who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). Do not sit by and watchyour > freedom erode away! > Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and tell all your friends > relatives to write their congressional representative and say "NO" to Bill > 602P. > It will only take a few moments of your time and could very well be > instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. > PLEASE FORWARD! ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:40:15 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: moof update Back on October 25, I presented the problem of a group of cards I acquired that were salvaged from a fire and still had a smoky odor to them, trying to figure out how to eliminate (or at least reduce) the smell. Many chimed in with their ideas and it was at this time the term "moof" (first coined by Mark Macrae I believe) was entered as an OBC slang word. Taking Mark's advice, I placed one cup of baking soda and the cards into a sealed container. Tonight I present this update on my moof problem (for anyone who cares)... I have checked the cards periodically over the last two months - maybe every two or three weeks. As of tonight, the moof has lessened a bit but is still quite noticeable. This leads me to believe that stronger moof reduction measures are needed. So, I have removed the baking soda and have replaced it with six small candles (I think they're blueberry scented). The candles are sort of strong for such little things - motif (sp?) candles I think. Hopefully this will help dissipate the rest of the moof. I will report my next set of findings around the time pitchers and catchers report for Spring Training. Happy Collecting (and, of course, Happy Holidays)! ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:11:56 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Grizz is wrong Urban Legends Reference Pages: Business (Bill 602P) Looked under www.snopes.com John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 22:21:46 EST To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] moof update Hopefully this isn't a new super strain of moof that has never been seen by collectors before...... After a few weeks with the blueberry candles, maybe a test should be performed by lighting one of the candles (outside of course). If there is a blueberry-moof scent coming from the candles, we'll all know we're up against the new "super-moof" , in which case the cards may have to be sent out for professional grading, to encapsulate the moof, moreso than evaluate the card. Additionally you may have to destroy the remaining candles, in order to save family harmony... Have a moof-free holiday..... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:10:06 -0800 From: "Michael Kinney" Subject: Earthquake! We got a good shake today- lots of fallen shelves, figurines, pictures, etc... No one hurt, Praise God. Also, no dumped baseball card boxes!! Earthquake was centered about 20 miles from here. Paso Robles got the worst of the damage. Hope all is well out there. Happy Holidays!! Mike Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 20:14:56 -0800 (PST) To: HMorgan707@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Federal legislation! I really don't think this is all it's cracked up to be...though I'd be interested in seeing a system where you pay a nickel for each email you send, and get a nickel for each one you recieve (that would effectively end spam, or else give me free internet But like I've pointed out in those eBay phony emails, read through the forwarded message and you'll see some glaring grammatical errors. By reading, this actually looks like the work of a smartass high school sophomore (much like a 10th grader I once occupied the body of). Rule of thumb: if something this big was in the news, you'd read about it in the major papers (do a Google search), NOT in an AOL mass mailing. Think about it...my email account is on Yahoo! I have two Yahoo accounts, and do not use the email address attached to my ISP. There is absolutely no way I can be pinned down to pay my nickel-an-email fee, because there is no way for Yahoo to actually verify that I'm the person I have told them I am, or that my whereabouts are exactly as reported. But I'll suggest this...if you're so worried about this pending legislation, contact your congressman and both of your senators; they will most likely let you know that this email isn't accurate. I hope that my mention of elected representatives doesn't offend some of the other OBCers who are sensitive about political stuff. It wasn't partisan, so hold off the quick emails to the OBCAC. Take care, --- HMorgan707@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/18/03 5:55:46 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > wmfaber@nothinbut.net writes: > > Federal Bill 602P > > > > > > > > Guess the warnings were true.  Federal Bill 602P > charges 5-cents per E-mail > > sent. It figures!  No more free E-mail!  We knew > this was coming!! Bill 602P > > will permit the Federal Government to charge a > 5-cent charge on every > > delivered E-mail.. > > > >    Please read the following carefully if you > intend to stay online > > > > and continue using E-mail.  The last few months > have revealed an  alarming > > trend in the Government of the United States > attempting to quietly push > > through legislation that will affect our use of > the Internet. > > > >    Under proposed legislation, the US Postal > Service will be attempting to > > bill E-mail users out of "alternative postage > fees." > > > >    Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to > charge a 5-cent surcharge > > on every e-mail delivered, by billing Internet > Service Providers at source. > > The consumer would then be billed in turn by the > ISP.  Washington, DC lawyer > > Richard Stepp is working without pay to prevent > this legislation from > > becoming law. > > > >    The US Postal Service is claiming lost revenue, > due to the > > > > proliferation of E-mail, is costing nearly > $230,000,000 in revenue per year. > > You may have noticed their recent ad campaign: > "There is nothing like a > > letter." > > > >    Since the average person received about 10 > pieces of E-mail per day in > > 1998, the cost of the typical individual would be > an additional 50 cents a day > > -- or over $180 per year -- above and beyond their > regular Internet costs. > > > >    Note that this would be money paid directly to > the US Postal Service for > > a service they do not even provide. > > > >    The whole point of the Internet is democracy > and noninterference. > > > > You are already paying an exorbitant price for > snail mail because of > > bureaucratic inefficiency.  It currently takes up > to 6 days for a letter to be > > delivered from coast to coast. If the US Postal > Service is allowed to tinker with > > E-mail, it will mark the end of the "free" > Internet in the United States. > > > >    Congressional representative, Tony Schnell (R) > has even suggested a > > "$20-$40 per month surcharge on all Internet > service" above and beyond the > > governments proposed E-mail charges.  Note that > most of  the major newspapers have > > ignored the story the only exception being the > > > > Washingtonian which called the idea of E-mail > surcharge "a useful concept > > who's time has come" (March 6th, 1999 Editorial). > Do not sit by and watch your > > freedom erode away! > > > >    Send this E-mail to EVERYONE on your list, and > tell all your friends and > > relatives to write their congressional > representative and say "NO" to Bill > > 602P. > > > >    It will only take a few moments of your time > and could very well be > > instrumental in killing a bill we do not want. > > > >    PLEASE FORWARD! > > > > Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 00:02:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Reality check requested Note: I receive Ramblings in Digest form so please respond to me directly at Background: At the beginning of August, a guy proposed an unsolicited trade of a some '50s non-sports cards from my list in exchange for whatever I could provide to him: non-sports from the 50s (or even 30s) or baseball from the 50s. I received the cards at the end of the month. All were pretty lousy but the rest of my set is lousy too. I haven't yet sent him anything in exchange. For a while he was patient with me. His last letter on December 1 was sarcastic. One minor problem that I have with him is that he has no real wantlist and his priorities are cards from the 30s and higher demand cards from the 50s. I suppose its best for me to "take the high road" and send him back more than he expects. But a part of me says "send him back his own stuff and end things with him now". Any thoughts? ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 21:37:20 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reality check requested Sounds like MZimmerman's Modus Operandi. If I recall correctly, OBCers have had a very mixed bag of results with Mark's trading philosophy...some have been burned, others seemed pleased with the results. I chose to finally tell him that I did not have time to dig through my boxes looking for a cards that might match a non-existent WL....he just would not tell me what he expected in return for the cards that he claimed he would send me despite my repeated efforts to have him define such....we exchanged several emails, but no cards. That's fine with me as I have many other "trading" partners and his offer included many commons that will most likely come my way if I am simply patient enough... I'd send him back the cards he mailed to you and move along...my two ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rittenberg" To: "Ramblings" Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 9:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Reality check requested > Note: I receive Ramblings in Digest form so please respond to me directly > srittenberg66@earthlink.net > Background: At the beginning of August, a guy proposed an unsolicited > of a some '50s non-sports cards from my list in exchange for whatever I > could provide to him: non-sports from the 50s (or even 30s) or baseball > the 50s. I received the cards at the end of the month. All were pretty > but the rest of my set is lousy too. > I haven't yet sent him anything in exchange. For a while he was patient > with me. His last letter on December 1 was sarcastic. One minor problem > that I have with him is that he has no real wantlist and his priorities > cards from the 30s and higher demand cards from the 50s. > I suppose its best for me to "take the high road" and send him back more > than he expects. But a part of me says "send him back his own stuff and > things with him now". > Any thoughts? > Steve > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:40:56 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: 1936/37 Goudey Wide Pen Who was working on the Goudey Wide Pens? Was it Doug Smith? Check out this item on ebay - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2773977685&category=37597 3 Tigers (Walker, Simmons, Sullivan), currently $9 with no bids as yet. Finishes tomorrow (Wed.). This one could stay under the radar as there is no mention of a manufacturer. Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:48:45 -0500 To: HMorgan707@aol.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Federal legislation! All is well! This is a well known hoax/urban legend. At 09:18 PM 12/22/03, you wrote: >In a message dated 12/18/03 5:55:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, >wmfaber@nothinbut.net writes: >>Federal Bill 602P >>Guess the warnings were true. Federal Bill 602P charges 5-cents per >>E-mail sent. It figures! No more free E-mail! We knew this was coming!! >>Bill 602P will permit the Federal Government to charge a 5-cent charge on >>every delivered E-mail.. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:52:35 -0500 To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Austin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] moof update How about spraying them with Fabreeze? ;-) - Dan At 09:40 PM 12/22/03, you wrote: >Back on October 25, I presented the problem of a group of cards I acquired >that were salvaged from a fire and still had a smoky odor to them, trying >to figure out how to eliminate (or at least reduce) the smell. Many >chimed in with their ideas and it was at this time the term "moof" (first >coined by Mark Macrae I believe) was entered as an OBC slang word. Taking >Mark's advice, I placed one cup of baking soda and the cards into a sealed >container. Tonight I present this update on my moof problem (for anyone >who cares)... >I have checked the cards periodically over the last two months - maybe >every two or three weeks. As of tonight, the moof has lessened a bit but >is still quite noticeable. This leads me to believe that stronger moof >reduction measures are needed. So, I have removed the baking soda and >have replaced it with six small candles (I think they're blueberry >scented). The candles are sort of strong for such little things - motif >(sp?) candles I think. Hopefully this will help dissipate the rest of the >moof. I will report my next set of findings around the time pitchers and >catchers report for Spring Training. >Happy Collecting (and, of course, Happy Holidays)! ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 07:55:51 -0500 To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com (Glenn), obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1936/37 Goudey Wide Pen I am working on the set and have placed a snipe bid. Thanks, Glenn, Glenn wrote: > Guys, >Who was working on the Goudey Wide Pens? Was it Doug Smith? >Check out this item on ebay - >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemamp;item=2773977685amp;category=37597 >3 Tigers (Walker, Simmons, Sullivan), currently $9 with no bids as yet. Finishes tomorrow (Wed.). >This one could stay under the radar as there is no mention of a manufacturer. >Glasgow, Scotland >Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*Yahoo! Groups Links* >         To visit your group on the web, go to: >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ >nbsp;          To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >nbsp;          Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 09:49:41 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, HMorgan707@aol.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Federal legislation! Once again, this is just a scam to collect email addresses which will then be used to genrate additional spam. So if you receive an email from outside the group of this nature, please think long and hard before your forward it on the server, as this now generates 90 more destinations for unwanted spam to be delivered. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:47:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "David Skoglund" Subject: re: OBC AC meeting results I thought this list was a more appropriate place that the Annoucements list for this question. Can someone on the AC give us some background on this motion? I thought that at the very least the dues supported the website. How is this being paid for then? (3) Motion by Smith on Nov 24 Dispense with dues this year and conduct a poll of the membership to determine their desire to remain in OBC. Seconded by Morganti ** Motion passes 7-0 ** ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:10:46 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: skipping dues for this year I guess I can answer since I made the motion. We have about $1900 in the treasury after paying the fees on the Redpath auction. Website costs are in the $300-$400 per year range. The motion is just to suspend dues for one year. No need to just build up a big treasury for no reason. -Doug ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:16:17 EST To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1936/37 Goudey Wide Pen Thanks Glenn, I do collect them but have these. Could be a good deal for someone. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:47:30 EST To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: skipping dues for this year In a message dated 12/23/03 12:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: I guess I can answer since I made the motion. We have about $1900 in the treasury after paying the fees on the Redpath auction. Website costs are in the $300-$400 per year range. The motion is just to suspend dues for one year. No need to just build up a big treasury for no reason. -Doug hi doug: can we get some idea as to what the auction fees and related costs were? tnx ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 16:41:35 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: skipping dues for this year To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 13:47:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: skipping dues for this year In a message dated 12/23/03 12:42:44 PM Central Standard Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: I guess I can answer since I made the motion. We have about $1900 in the treasury after paying the fees on the Redpath auction. Website costs are in the $300-$400 per year range. The motion is just to suspend dues for one year. No need to just build up a big treasury for no reason. -Doug hi doug: can we get some idea as to what the auction fees and related costs were? tnx ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 17:48:07 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: Buckett/LI Get Together OK-it was a really good article! I was going to Adobe-ize it but Ken beat me to the punch! I think he should have worn the OBC hat he had at the National Well, the Long Island OBC mini-gathering is a go for Tuesday, Dec. 30th at my house. Looks like about 4 attendees (Jeff Delott, Kit, George Altemose and me, plus maybe our Buckett star if he decides to drive down...) total but if anyone else is around Tuesday afternoon just shoot me an e-mail and I'll send Well, have a great Christmas everybody! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 19:01:06 -0800 From: "John Scott Gray" Subject: Out of Town My friends, I will be heading out of town in the morning, heading to North Carolina forChristmas, then up to DC for a couple of days to attend a philosophy conference, then back down to NC for New Years. I will not be back on the servers until around January 5 of next year. Regardless, I know many of you will be thinking of me, as I sent out nearly eighty packages today..... Gottastart the New Year off right! If anyone needs to contact me, I can be reached at taipan@teacher.com. Happy Holidays! John Scott Gray ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:23:41 EST To: david.skoglund@att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: OBC AC meeting results This (IMHO) is what happens when the AC does not communicate with all of us until the end of the year. I cannot recall the last time monthly minutes or any communication has come from this AC. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 21:15:11 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: SEASON'S GREETINGS http://community.webtv.net/OriginalEEK/MERRYCHRISTMAS ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 04:41:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "alcattle" Subject: santa find Seattle OBC Santa showed up in Seattle, I might have to ask Detective Grant to help Id it though, as it came from Santa Claus, Ca. But as slow as he works, I think I will just wait two days and find out who my OBC Santa really is. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2003 23:48:57 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Secret Santa ain't so secret anymore... Well boys, My outgoing Santa is going to Lynn Miller. I mailed it out quite a while ago, but I've never sent anything half way around the world, so I'm still hoping that Santa makes that stop before Thursday. Lynn, it's on the way. I hope they don't rip open that puffy! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:43:42 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: An end of the year Ramble from Glasgow You’re probably wondering why I haven’t yet reported back on my meeting with Bobby Thomson a few weeks back. Well, I’ve been holding off while awaiting a copy of the only photo that was taken of Bobby and I together. Unfortunately, things didn’t quite work out as anticipated, though I did get the chance to meet him and his family, and hope to remain in touch with him in future. I’ll send out a full report on the visit some time soon. For those of you with youngsters, I was alerted to a fantastic website that might just help you to encourage them to get to their beds early this evening. Check out www.noradsanta.org . Yep, that’s NORAD…the guys in the mountain. It seems that they have a special tracking system that allows people to follow the movements of Santa on his travels throughout the evening. Our niece, Jenny (she’s 5), has been looking forward to checking this out all week. I have to admit, I’m kinda looking forward to it myself! Finally, I’d like to take this opportunity to wish all of you a happy holiday season, and a safe and successful 2004. I hope that many little pieces of precious cardboard find their way to you over the next 12 months and beyond. For myself, 2004 will be a very special year as I’ll have the opportunity to meet up with many of my OBC friends – both old and new – at Vegas ’04. Actually, considering I didn’t make it across to North America this year, I’ve certainly managed to do pretty well in the “meeting OBCers” stakes! Doug Smith, David Hornish, and George Hay all managed to somehow finagle their way into Scotland during 2003. I’m sure they all enjoyed their time here as much as I did. As I’m sure you all know, OBCers and their families are ALWAYS welcome at the Codere household, should you ever find yourself on this side of the big pond. 2004 is already shaping up pretty good too, with a possible visit from newbie Pat Wattigny, and the posting to Britain of our resident flyboy Geno Wagner. I’m hopeful that Geno and family will be able to join us up here in Glasgow at some point during the summer. I don’t want to risk comparison to our newly deigned “Industry Expert”, so I’ll finish up this little ramble here. Thanks for tuning in! Cheers for Now!! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 00:02:43 +0800 To: OBC-ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Merry Christmas As the first to observe Christmas in OBC (I believe), let me wish you all a Very Merry One. Ho, Ho, Ho Lynn ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:14:02 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: Type Card Questions Hi OBCers. Don't anyone go getting heart attacks or anything because i have come back from the land of the lost and corresponded. I had some time this week so decided to do some catching. Hopefully at least a few of you will see the results soon. I have 3 Type Card questions and theywill come as 3 separate mailings because the server won't take them as a group alongwith the scans. #1: Fleer insert cards 4x2 1/2 inches. They have blank backs. Obviously a late 70s or 80s insert but nothing in the SCD about them. Any ideas? Next two are forthcoming. in the meantime, everyone have a great Christmas and the most successful New Year in 2004. Fleas Navidog, Brad Chambers Expand your wine savvy — and get some great new recipes — at MSN Wine. http://wine.msn.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:18:27 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: Type Card #2 The front of this card is identical to a 1933 Goudey. The back, from what you can hopefully see, is ripped but the part that is curious is that instead of saying Boston, this one says ltd, Montreal. Did Canada have a variation of Goudey like OBC was a variation of Topps? Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:24:35 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: Type Card #3 This looks like one of the exhibit cards....blank back, etc. I haven't seen anything in SCD that has the front like this does. It has to be at least 1940 because it refers to him having been inducted into the HOF in 1939. Anyone have any suggestions? Thanks for any help and everyone have a great holiday season. Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:31:12 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman Subject: 49 BOWMANS I EXPECT TO BE GETTING AROUND 100 1949 BOWMANS IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE INTERESTED IN TRADING 49'S FOR 49'S OR 49'S FOR WHATEVER? Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:27:45 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: how to get off the thanks servers temporarily? Can someone explain to me how to suspend getting mail from the Thanks server? I need to do this while I'm out of town next week, or my puny free msn.email account will fill up and I'll stop getting emails altogether. Thanks in advance! ================= Date: 24 Dec 2003 18:13:09 -0000 To: "Brad Chambers" , From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type Card #2 Brad, what you have is a World Wide Gum card from 1933 or 1934. These were identical to the 33 and 34 goudeys except they were produced in Canada, in Montreal. At the top ofthe back, the 1934 series would say "1934 series", otherwise you have a 1933 card. 94 cards in the 33 set and 96 in the 34 What you have On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 16:18:27 +0000, "Brad Chambers" wrote : > The front of this card is identical to a 1933 Goudey. The back, from > you can hopefully see, is ripped but the part that is curious is that > instead of saying Boston, this one says ltd, Montreal. Did Canada have > variation of Goudey like OBC was a variation of Topps? > _________________________________________________________________ > Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited > time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:23:18 EST To: bradbaseballcards@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type Card #3 I can answer this one too... What you have is a 1975 Sports Hobbyist (an older trade publication) postcard. As of 2002, only 10 of the 18 postcards were identified eventhough they were sold in sets for $1.50. Tough issue but rather cheap to buy. ================= Date: 24 Dec 2003 18:20:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Subject: Happy and Sad From all the Harrells in Biscuitland a very merry Xmas and joyous New Year's to all in OBCland. Thanks for all your prayers, thoughts and support during the past week. It has meant a lot. On a sadder note, the last postal delivery was made today and no OBC Santa appeared. Hopefully Santa just took a wrong turn at Birmingham and will find his way here soon. Have an error-free season. ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 12:29:07 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] how to get off the thanks servers temporarily? Question dealt with by Grant-- thanks-- ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Newcomb To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 11:27 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] how to get off the thanks servers temporarily? Can someone explain to me how to suspend getting mail from the Thanks server? I need to do this while I'm out of town next week, or my puny free msn.email account will fill up and I'll stop getting emails altogether. Thanks in advance! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 11:06:02 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Happy and Sad Bama, I believe we have a new Conspiracy Theory to work with. Alas, our last delivery just occurred also, but I suspect Santa may have been held up while being frisked at Customs....security is very tight right now. Perhaps OBC Santa is being held for ransom....if he is indeed carrying cardboard, there is a very good chance the ransom will be paid by a certain baseball card collecting group we are familiar with. Best wishes to all OBC'ers and their families for a safe and happy Holiday Season. From all the Harrells in Biscuitland a very merry Xmas and joyous New Year's to all in OBCland. Thanks for all your prayers, thoughts and support during the past week. It has meant a lot. On a sadder note, the last postal delivery was made today and no OBC Santa appeared. Hopefully Santa just took a wrong turn at Birmingham and will find his way here soon. Have an error-free season. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 13:09:45 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: Twas the Night Before a Soldier's Xmas I thought this was worth passing along...don't forget to say a prayer for those guys in Iraq and Afganistan tonight! Take Care, Geno TWAS THE NIGHT BEFORE CHRISTMAS, HE LIVED ALL ALONE, IN A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE MADE OF PLASTER AND STONE. I HAD COME DOWN THE CHIMNEY WITH PRESENTS TO GIVE, AND TO SEE JUST WHO IN THIS HOME DID LIVE. I LOOKED ALL ABOUT, A STRANGE SIGHT I DID SEE, NO TINSEL, NO PRESENTS, NOT EVEN A TREE. NO STOCKING BY MANTLE, JUST BOOTS FILLED WITH SAND, ON THE WALL HUNG PICTURES OF FAR DISTANT LANDS. WITH MEDALS AND BADGES, AWARDS OF ALL KINDS, A SOBER THOUGHT CAME THROUGH MY MIND. FOR THIS HOUSE WAS DIFFERENT, IT WAS DARK AND DREARY, I FOUND THE HOME OF A SOLDIER, ONCE I COULD SEE CLEARLY. THE SOLDIER LAY SLEEPING, SILENT, ALONE, CURLED UP ON THE FLOOR IN THIS ONE BEDROOM HOME. THE FACE WAS SO GENTLE, THE ROOM IN SUCH DISORDER, NOT HOW I PICTURED A UNITED STATES SOLDIER. WAS THIS THE HERO OF WHOM I'D JUST READ? CURLED UP ON A PONCHO, THE FLOOR FOR A BED? I REALIZED THE FAMILIES THAT I SAW THIS NIGHT, OWED THEIR LIVES TO THESE SOLDIERS WHO WERE WILLING TO FIGHT. SOON ROUND THE WORLD, THE CHILDREN WOULD PLAY, AND GROWN-UPS WOULD CELEBRATE A BRIGHT CHRISTMAS DAY. THEY ALL ENJOYED FREEDOM EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE SOLDIERS, LIKE THE ONE LYING HERE. I COULDN'T HELP WONDER HOW MANY LAY ALONE, ON A COLD CHRISTMAS EVE IN A LAND FAR FROM HOME. THE VERY THOUGHT BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYE, I DROPPED TO MY KNEES AND STARTED TO CRY. THE SOLDIER AWAKENED AND I HEARD A ROUGH VOICE, "SANTA DON'T CRY, THIS LIFE IS MY CHOICE; I FIGHT FOR FREEDOM, I DON'T ASK FOR MORE, MY LIFE IS MY GOD, MY COUNTRY, MY CORPS." THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER AND DRIFTED TO SLEEP, I COULDN'T CONTROL IT, I CONTINUED TO WEEP. I KEPT WATCH FOR HOURS, SO SILENT AND STILL AND WE BOTH SHIVERED FROM THE COLD NIGHT'S CHILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE ON THAT COLD, DARK, NIGHT, THIS GUARDIAN OF HONOR SO WILLING TO FIGHT. THEN THE SOLDIER ROLLED OVER, WITH A VOICE SOFT AND PURE, WHISPERED, "CARRY ON SANTA, IT'S CHRISTMAS DAY, ALL IS SECURE." ONE LOOK AT MY WATCH, AND I KNEW HE WAS RIGHT. "MERRY CHRISTMAS MY FRIEND, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT." Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 17:09:12 -0500 (EST) To: illini90@earthlink.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Twas the Night Before a Soldier's Xmas Thanks for the reminder Geno! Before the House of Maxwell retires for the night, it's occupants will remember to say a prayer for all who serve to keep us safe and free. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Geordie Calvert" , Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 14:45:42 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Santa's on his way My OBC Santa gift showed up this afternoon...an innocent box with just enough brown paper around it to make me curious and unable to determine it's contents...very tempting but in 9 hours and 17 minutes, I'm cracking into that bad boy !! Thanks Santa Geordie !! I'll report in full after the wrappings are all undone... Merry Christmas Happy Holidays God Bless all... OBC Forver, ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: familytoad@harborside.com Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: Santa's on his way Hi Brian - Santa knows you've been a good boy! Unfortunately, your gift has been delayed because Santa was under the weather. (don't you love Santareferring to himself in the first person? A result of that fat contract Santa just signed!) Santa will do his best to have your gift under the tree in time. In caseit doesn't make it, it will be there soon. Merry Christmas Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 19:11:40 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com Subject: In the Spirit of the Season December 22, 2003 A federal holiday poem Twas the night before Christmas, and all 'cross the Web Not a surfer was surfing, except for some feds. The FAA cleared Santa for his annual flight, As the Weather Service predicted a clear, starry night. FEMA stood by in case of snow, ice or sleet. As troops 'round the world maintained the peace. When out on the Web there arose such a crowd Of kids on their mice click, click, clicking around 'Til they landed their browsers on a special Web site Where NORAD tracked Santa all through the night. In English, in Spanish, in even Francais, The radar tracked Nicholas around on his sleigh. The radar bleep, bleeped as Santa drew close Drawn by the heat off of Rudolph's red nose. The satellites tingled, the warning bells jingled When NORAD got sight of merry Kris Kringle. Kids 'cross the land knew their friends had been wrong. NORAD's site proved it: Santa lives on! And as feds 'round the world kept the peace through the Santa looked down, and called out with his might, "Thank you, civil servants! You fight the good fight! Happy days to you all, and to all a fine night!" Happy Holidays from all of us at GovExec.com! ================= To: , Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 20:36:59 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type Card #3 I can add to Josh's answer. I was a subscriber to the Sport Hobbyist and bought the complete set. I have the following; 98 Lou Gehrig, 99 Ty Cobb, 100 Joe DiMaggio, 101 Mel Ott, 103 Babe Ruth, 104 Rogers Hornsby, 105 Tris Speaker, 106 Hank Greenberg, 107 Jimmy Foxx, 108Ted Williams, 109 Mickey Cochrane, 110 Bob Feller, 112 George Sisler (withan add for the 1975 set on back, $15) , 113 Honus Wagner, 114 Lefty Grove,115 Dizzy Dean Not sure if there ever was a 102 or 111. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: bradbaseballcards@hotmail.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 1:23 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type Card #3 I can answer this one too... What you have is a 1975 Sports Hobbyist (an older trade publication) postcard. As of 2002, only 10 of the 18 postcards were identified eventhough they were sold in sets for $1.50. Tough issue but rather cheap to buy. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2003 23:26:43 EST To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy and Sad Better check with TPLY regarding Santa being frisked by Customs. I know Rick has the clout to prevent that from happening in the future. You know, we've always wondered why Rick insists on frisking each of us before the annual Vegas golf outing. Happy holidays to all! ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 13:28:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: OBC Santa Svetecz! I went to church last night so that I could wake up this morning and head straight for the tree (I guess teaching 6th & 7th graders has me acting like one!) Needless to say, the first present I tore into was my OBC package, which has been staring at me for over a week. Santa Rick was good this year, sending a neat bat & ball keychain along with a nice note and 24 hits to my 99% OBC-only 75 Topps mini set! Thanks Rick! I hope all is well in OBC-land on Christmas day, and if I don't post again in the next week I hope that all have a Happy New Year as well. OBC - You gotta love it! ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 12:39:14 -0500 To: Celenox@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot Subject: Secret Santa Surprises!!! Hello All, (RAMBLE ALERT !!!) I have been a bit invisible over the past few weeks, as the hustle and bustle of the holiday season has kept me away from the old computer. I have a number of thanks but will send those out later - this ramble is reserved for thanking my Secret Santa. My Secret Santa this year was New York Firefighter Rob Gioia. I received Rob's envelope marked "Psst, Do not open till Christmas" about 2 weeks ago and it resided on my desk for a short while and then I stuck out of my X-mas stocking which hung on the mantle ever so patiently waiting for Christmas day. Like so many before me, it was a torturous two weeks as I yearned to bust open Rob's letter, but somehow I made it to this day without surcoming to the temptation. Last night as my wife Donna and I, accompanied by our daughter Kendall enjoyed the company of family and friends at my daughters Godparents home I stole away to "play Santa". I arrived at our home about 10 p.m. and completed the transformation of our family room into a dumping grounds for "Toys'r'us" in about a half an hour and then worked on filling those stocking while eating cookies, milk and carrots Kendall had left for Santa and his I arrived back to the party without a little 10 year old knowing I was gone and we headed toward home at about 11:30 p.m. Well we arrived about 10 minutes later and Kendall went nuts as she hollered "He must be real, he must be real" - kind of slick to have once again pulled off the Santa routine, this time on a 10 year old. She'll probably figure it out by next year - we will have to see. She ran over to the stocking, so carefully stuffed and to my surprise and delight decided to pass those out first. YES!!! The time had arrived - it was 15 minutes early but I had to go with the flow. As Kendall was excitedly showing off cassette tapes, camera film and nail polish - I was explaining with the largest smile possible how delightful it is to receive (4) pre-war cards form my Secret Santa. Okay - the suspense must be killing all of you as well. Rob sent me a T-206 cards with Ira Thomas of the A's and an Obak T-212 card of Vernon Hogan (I think), an American Caramel (E121) card of Joe Wood from the series of 80 and a 1928 W-513 strip card of Pirate Pitcher John Miljus. Simply put - Astounding!!! I received about 2 months worth of pre-war cards in one Christmas package. I've enjoyed them so far and will continue to research the Hogan card that in true OBC style has had it's back removed - without a trace, so I'm not quite sure what I have here. Thanks Rob for a wonderful surprise on Christmas day and I wish all a Blessed Holiday season. BE REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 18:08:05 EST To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Santa Thanks Could not wait to get to my girlfriend's house and dig under her tree for my Secret Santa gift. Bob Saxton hit me with a great book that I have not read yet (which I am looking forward to) about Philadelphia baseball. He also included two needed '55 Bowmans (Phillies) and three hits to my '53 Topps set. Big huge thanks to Bob... Happy Holidays to all OBCers, their families, and their friends. ================= To: Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 17:49:59 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: OBC Support I know it's a lousy time for bad news, but there never is a good time. Yesterday, Rob Gioia's wife had pregnancy problems.end result is they have lost their baby. If there is any good news to be had here, Rob's wife is doing okay, and Rob sounds like he is strong. I'm sure the Gioia family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers for their loss. If you get a chance, please let them know we are with them. Rob's email address is Celenox@aol.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 02:48:49 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: Type Card answers I wonder if there is anything this group DOESNT know about. I had several people respond with the answers to all 3 of my Type Card questions. Thanks to the experts out there!! I have a couple more unknown cards but they are of the UV persuasion so I will resist the urge..... Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local high-speed providers now. https://broadband.msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:37:30 -0600 To: _ramblings From: Rick & Deb Subject: CoolPix 12/25 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Johnny Callison/shipping label for H&B bats THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2003 21:02:36 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Xmas Day Hi all, And please bare with me as I'm not sure if this should be considered a Thanks or a Rambling. All I know is it's a Blessing...to be invited... every year...for Christmas at the home of the FamilyToads!! My sister and brother-in-law came out for a short visit this past summer and made the comment to me that Brian and Julie made them feel "at home" from the "get go"! Thanks to Brian, Julie, Alexa, and John...I had a VERY Merry Christmas...that's it...good times, good company...'Nuff said!!!...just sad that we sometimes wait until the holidays to actually show it!!! Not sure if it's appropriate here but a huge THANKS to the FamilyToads...without cardboard!! ...'Nuff said!!!!!!!! ================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 09:01:12 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Supreme Secret Santa Kudos and Thanks to the Supreme Secret Santa, Jeff Sackmann for organizing all us Secondary Secret Santas and subsequent recipients. From the posts I've been reading it sounds like another successful season of giving and receiving was had by all. I certainly have enjoyed reading all the excited & joy-filled e-mails from all us kids at heart. I do have a question though, did the Supreme Secret Santa, Jeff have a We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 19:56:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: OBC Santa I had the pleasure of Big Al posing as my Secret Santa. The package arrived about ten days before Christmas. It laid there tempting me Early Christmas morning arrived unlike any my wife, Nancy & I have experienced in probably over twenty years. You see my children are all adults now. I miss the Christmas pasts of my four little ones waking us up at 5-6 AM, anxiously wanting to go down stairs & open their presents. Sure it's great to have them all home for the Holidays, safely asleep in their old bedrooms, but I must confess I was pretty nostalgic for the years gone by. I even miss putting the toys together on Christmas eve. Never reading the instructions until I had hopelessly messed up, and it seems like I always had pieces left over. We always visited my parents on Christmas eve. I can remember one year when the kids were all under 6 or 7 years old and still full of the wonder of Santa. We were driving home about ten PM, still a few blocks from home, when out of the front door of a home down the street walks a fellow dressed up like Santa. My kids went crazy because they believed Santa came after you were asleep. They were afraid Santa had come to our house & would have skipped it because they weren't in bed yet. Well, back to Big Al and OBC. As I lay there early Christmas Morning feeling sad, I thought, Hey! there's a present waiting for me. So up I rose & barefooted my way down the hall to my hobby hide-away. Two 53 Color Bowmans & a 62 Postie chased the blues away. I then had the pleasure of turning the tables on my brood and jumped on their beds to awaken them to the joys of Christmas day. Thanx Santa Big AL. Thanx OBC. Merry Christmas to all, ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 16:04:30 -0600 From: "D. F. Julien, AIA" Subject: Anyone working on 1960 Fleer Football set? Yeah I know its off-topic but I just got handed a bunch of these and I'm hoping to parlay them into Baseball cards or maybe pay back some guys or at least create some OBC good will. Merry Christmas Let me know -Doug Julien ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 20:59:11 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: very, very cool cards... FOOT guys *must* look Ok, technicaly this is a UV set, but it is just sooooo cool, you have to look at it. There is one card in particular that I'm guessing several of you will consider a must have. Please don't be embarassed :) In 2002, I think, Topps put out a 150 card set called, "All-Time Fan Favorites". There are obviously contractual issues, because there is no mantle or williams card in the set. If your HOM'er is in the set, then you already got his card from me in the mail... I was all over that. These cards are cards of our favorite players, pictured on the team the spend the better part of their careres with. The cards are the same as the actual card from whatever year they are pictured on,... front and back, except the pictures are sharper and more colorful, and sometimes a much cooler pose. Also, the back has all their stats from that team, even if it goes beyond the year of the card. All in all very cool cards. As soon as I saw a few, I wanted them all... then I saw the one that I think is the neatest one and knew I needed to get several for you guys. I bought about 1000 of these for a total of about $60, so they can be picked up for not too much. It was fun putting the set together. Then I sold about 800 of them for $40. I was left with a complete set and a ton of dupes of the ones I thought you guys would like so, all that being said... take a look at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cards.html near the top is a link to the card that the FOOT guys will like, plus pics of what some of the others look like. Here is a list of all the guys I have dupes of if you would like one. Don't be shy, I have multiples of most. If you are wondering if someone else is in the set, let me know and I'll check. There are newer cards, like a '00 ripken, but I didn't keep any of them... they were pretty boring. brooks '64 musial '58 AS thomson '52 bench '70 mccovey '68 yaz '67 red '53 richardson '62 banks '58 blair '69 powell '70 jenkins '71 palmer '75 spahn '53 scooter '54 michael jack '80 lynn '76 rice '78 wills '70 feller '53 roberts '61 cepeda '61 ernie harwell '68 irvin '52 kaline '55 killebrew '61 seaver '69 snider '55 santo '66 So, let me know... I have stamps and envelopes waiting. ================= To: "Sean McGowan" , "ramblings" Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:54:49 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] very, very cool cards... FOOT guys *must* look OBCers -- If you haven't had a look at Sean's "coolest card" section on his website, you're missing out on a real treat. It is definitely an entertaining way to while away an hour or two! Thanks for the great stuff, Sean! Take Care, Geno > [Original Message] > From: Sean McGowan > To: ramblings > Date: 12/26/2003 5:59:12 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] very, very cool cards... FOOT guys *must* look > Kids, > Ok, technicaly this is a UV set, but it is just sooooo > cool, you have to look at it. There is one card in > particular that I'm guessing several of you will consider > a must have. Please don't be embarassed :) > In 2002, I think, Topps put out a 150 card set called, > "All-Time Fan Favorites". There are obviously contractual > issues, because there is no mantle or williams card in > the set. If your HOM'er is in the set, then you already > got his card from me in the mail... I was all over that. > These cards are cards of our favorite players, pictured > on the team the spend the better part of their careres with. > The cards are the same as the actual card from whatever > year they are pictured on,... front and back, except the > pictures are sharper and more colorful, and sometimes a > much cooler pose. Also, the back has all their stats from > that team, even if it goes beyond the year of the card. All > in all very cool cards. As soon as I saw a few, I wanted them > all... then I saw the one that I think is the neatest one > and knew I needed to get several for you guys. I bought > about 1000 of these for a total of about $60, so they can > be picked up for not too much. It was fun putting the set > together. Then I sold > about 800 of them for $40. I was left with a complete > set and a ton of dupes of the ones I thought you guys would > like so, all that being said... take a look at: > http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cards.html > near the top is a link to the card that the FOOT > guys will like, plus pics of what some of the others > look like. Here is a list of all the guys I have > dupes of if you would like one. Don't be shy, I have > multiples of most. If you are wondering if someone > else is in the set, let me know and I'll check. There > are newer cards, like a '00 ripken, but I didn't keep > any of them... they were pretty boring. > brooks '64 > musial '58 AS > thomson '52 > bench '70 > mccovey '68 > yaz '67 > red '53 > richardson '62 > banks '58 > blair '69 > powell '70 > jenkins '71 > palmer '75 > spahn '53 > scooter '54 > michael jack '80 > lynn '76 > rice '78 > wills '70 > feller '53 > roberts '61 > cepeda '61 > ernie harwell '68 > irvin '52 > kaline '55 > killebrew '61 > seaver '69 > snider '55 > santo '66 > So, let me know... I have stamps and envelopes waiting. > Sean > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:29:04 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Pete Rose Pete says he is going to TELL IT ALL on the show "Prime Time". That will be Friday 1-9-04 at 8:00PM EDT on NBC, I think. I'll send a correction if I find out the date/time is wrong. ================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:46:22 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Rose Jan 8th / O.J. Looks like his interview is on Prime Time Thursday Jan 8th, 2004 on ABC. I had it mixed up with Dateline, which is on Friday's on NBC. Also found out that 1-8 is the date his book "My Prison Without Bars" is released. I have not seen the promo but I was told he said that he is going to "tell all". But I will not be suprised if he continues to deny betting on baseball. Anyone hear how O.J.'s search for the REAL KILLER is going :-) ================= Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 16:26:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Posties Still rolling on down towards finishing off the impossible '61 and '63 posties. 14 more '63's to go, and three more '61's. Got a few stragglers looking for a good home: '63 Post Kaline, '63 Jello Kaline (I think), both card #51. Also, '63 #168, Ray Washburn and '63 #115 Maury Wills. All in reasonable condition, no writing or major scars. The post Kaline is poorly cut. Anybody want to give these a good home for the holidays? ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 21:37:44 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: the new year brings new sets? Hello All, What a great year it has been. I thank all for this... I am starting the following sets: 1991/92 basketball fleer & sky box series 2 1980 & 1981 fb 1960 leaf 1966 topps 1964 topps Just started the 65 philly fb & 75 topps fb I will be posting the needs tonight all the way through tommorrw ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:50:57 -0500 From: "GEORGE MOORE" Subject: Christmas away from home.... OBCers, old and new.... the ol TigersGAM spent Christmas in the hospital. Those of you who have seen me know that I am somewhat old (younger than HMorgan!) and quite overweight, I investigated the gastric bypass procedure (stomach staple), had to have cardiac approval and scheduled the procedure for last Monday, December 22. With the procedure being laproscopic, I could be hope by Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Well, not all goes as expected. At the last minute, the surgeons had to open me up to secure a staple that had torn. All this meant was a couple extra days in the hospital. So on Christmas Day my wife, Sarah, brought decorations and a few packs of baseball cards. I came home on Friday, December 26. Now looking at four weeks recovery complete with clear liquids. It was nice to read a week of OBC mail. Happy Holidays to you and your families. George Moore (TigersGAM) ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 23:37:07 -0600 From: "D. F. Julien, AIA" Subject: 1962 Topps ephemera Available "ephemera" - I like that. I've got a 1962 Topps Baseball Stamp Album with a few stamps pasted in to give away. Who knows, maybe the Hoyt Wilhelm stamp is worth real money. Free to anyone who actually collects these stamps. The album looks like this one: http://www.nelsonfox.com/0026/h0001.htm Let me know -Doug J. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 07:17:10 -0500 (EST) To: gamoore5489@cox.net From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Christmas away from home.... It ain't easy getting old, but it sure beats the alternative. As a fellow OBC-FOOT member, be assured of our prayers and wishes for a full and speedy recovery. If Christmas is past, spring training must be just around the corner! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "obc ramblings" Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:53:33 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: Retraction of uv set Hello All, It as been brought to my attention the uv basketball set I wedged in with the other sets I am starting for 2004 was not correct for OBC. Please accept my aplogies and hopefully learned not to do that in the future. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:06:33 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, seanobc@comcast.net, Trufan999@aol.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: 1954 Topps Sports Illustrated Cards While cleaning my computer room I found one of the Sports Illustrated cards that I kept from when I was a kid. It's Frank Lea, which is not one of the ones you listed. I think SI included them in several issues. Does anyone know for sure? - Doug ================= To: , Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 13:11:56 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: 1954 Topps Sports Illustrated Cards Since we started talking about this, I discovered that the 2nd issue also had cards, but I havent been able to find a list or picture. I do know that at some point they had a "mantle" too. ----- Original Message ----- From: TraderDoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; seanobc@comcast.net ; Trufan999@aol.com Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 1:06 PM Subject: 1954 Topps Sports Illustrated Cards While cleaning my computer room I found one of the Sports Illustrated cards that I kept from when I was a kid. It's Frank Lea, which is not one of the ones you listed. I think SI included them in several issues. Does anyone know for sure? - Doug ================= To: "Ramblings" Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 22:00:57 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Three More Variations I got the 2004 SCD Baseball Catalog for Christmas. (If anyone needs something looked up that might be in the catalog, let me know.) I found 3 variations listed in this year's catalog that I hadn't seen listed 1) 1967 #58 Schaal, top of bat either natural or green 2) 1971 #265 Northrup, with black blob or airbrushed out 3) 1973 #31 Bell, black border solid or with a break. There are still numerous variations not listed in the catalog. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 23:09:02 -0500 (EST) To: vrechek@ameritech.net (George Vrechek) From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Variations I'd be interested (and I bet others would too) in seeing a list of variations that are NOT listed in the 2004 SCD. I hope you'll list some if you get time. Thanks :-) ================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 03:44:40 EST To: prewartraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Pre-war trade bait Okay...been awhile since I have posted a list like this. As usual, pre-war oddball phillies, obaks and T-205s are my priority...both lists can be found at: http://oldbaseball.com/wantlists/wite3.htm And now the stuff: 1911 M-116 Sporting Life Bemis, very rough...image is okay, name is erased, and a bunch of pencil writing on the back. 1909 T-212 Obak: Bernard, creases and trimmed but back is nice, picture is nice, good filler. 1911 T-212 Obak: Christian, very poor 20% of bottom left of card is just gone, not to mention creases. Hosp, poor, skinned so there is no back, creases, chips out. Peckinpaugh, poor, skinned also, similar too Scharnweber, poor, back damage and major These obaks sound awful but the front pictures looks pretty good. 1911 T-205 Phelan, minor leauger, good, some minor creases, one large crease, a few rounded corners. Polar bear back. Not a bad card at all. 1912 C-46 Imperial: Hardy, not bad, some creases, rounded corners and cut a little off top to bottom. Abstein, very poor, creases obscuring face, heavy creases, off center. P-2 Sweet Cap Pin of Street, Washington, paper back intact, nice pin (small letters version) 1922 American Caramel E-121 Series of 120, Whitted Brooklyn, poor, very creased, bad corners 1934 Diamond Matchbook Silver Border, McLaughlin Boston, no matches, striker attatched, some creasing 1935 Diamond Matchbook, Michaels White Sox, no matches, striker attatched, creases, border faded. That is all for now...Let me know if there is any interest. ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:00:10 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: availables have a go at these.... :) 1970(?) hockey booklet Rod Gilbert 1953 woodling 264 1955 sain 193 1952 shuba 326 trimmed 1933 G Bob Smith trimmed,major back damage 1933 G 36 Thevenow 36 1933 G Allen 46 1966 Landrum (button showing) 43 1951 blue backs.... (obc condition, but all text readable) a Mickey Mantel wooden disk, abou the size of a half-dollar. bad drawing of mick's face on one side and "rain check" on the other. a pin about the size of a nickel with "Sandy Koufax" "Los Angeles Dodgers" and a floating head in the center. I figured as long as I was sending out a few of those reprints, I'd get rid of all these as well :) Go OBC! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:14:15 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Need help IDing a card A guys on a message board I visit wants to know what he has. It's a Crawford, Detroit card (Sam Crawford). On the back it says this is one of a set of star base ball players. It then names all 30 of the players on back "Ty" cobb is one of them. It is only about 2 3/4" high X 1 1/2" He said he found it mixed in some 1911 newspaper clippings. If you know what card he has let me know. -Bob R. Check your PC for viruses with the FREE McAfee online computer scan. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:20:53 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDrJ@AOL.COM Subject: '59 Spahn variation question... With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautiful one at that! But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the 1959 Spahn #40 card. Using the Big Beckett book terminology: 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent to Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen the seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there? OBC is good..... doc J ================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:24:06 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help IDing a card In a message dated 12/29/2003 4:15:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, boreed@hotmail.com writes: > It's a Crawford, Detroit card (Sam Crawford). On the back it says this is > one of a set of star base ball players. It then names all 30 of the players > on back "Ty" cobb is one of them. It is only about 2 3/4" high X 1 1/2" > wide. Bob, sounds like a 1910 E98. You can confirm it if the bottom two players on the checklist are Connie Mack and Coombs. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 18:42:12 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... ================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:58:09 EST To: marshall@marshallwest.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, XDrJ@aol.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... My spahn has the damaged 3. - Doug ================= To: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:35:47 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: 1984 Donruss? ================= Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:16:33 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Old "Baseball Hobby News" magazines Happy Holidays ! I am visiting my Mom's house in New England with my wife and little daughter and want to do some cleaning up. BHN was a family-run hobby newspaper long before Beckett and the other glossy magazines came alone - if anyone wants these, please LMK. Some mid-80's baseball availables were posted on the UV list courtesy of Steve R - if you are interested but don't get those emails, LMK. We are only going to be around for another two days, so I will do my best but I cant guarantee what I can get out. Don't be shy about asking !! ================= To: "Marshall West" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, XDrJ@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:02:39 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... OBCers -- I just checked mine, and it's an uncharted variation I think. The front of the card features Bill Hall, but the back of the card is Ken Lehman! Never mind, upon further review I see that the #40 slot is empty and those are the cards showing through...hee hee... Take Care, Geno > [Original Message] > From: Marshall West > To: ; > Date: 12/29/2003 5:42:21 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... > This has bugged me for about 44 years, too. I cannot find a 40A, and I would think that would be a card with a clean looking "3" in "1931". The "3" on my 40B is obscured on the right-side edge of the lower curve of the "3". I would like to know if everyone agrees with that. I do have a 40C, but I can't recall how or where I found it. It might be a clean, > I would be very interested in hearing if anyone has a clean looking > Marshall West > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 2:20 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... > > With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautiful one > > at that! > > > > But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the > > Spahn #40 card. > > > > Using the Big Beckett book terminology: > > > > 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) > > > > 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) > > > > 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) > > > > > > > > It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent > > me!!! > > > > Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen > > seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. > > > > What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there? > > > > OBC is good..... doc J > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 21:30:19 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... I've never looked for the variations in this set, but the #40 Spahn in my set is the 40A with the unobscured "3" in 1931. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: XDrJ@AOL.COM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 1:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautifulone at that! But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the 1959 Spahn #40 card. Using the Big Beckett book terminology: 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent to me!!! Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen the seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there? OBC is good..... doc J Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 05:10:37 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... My Spahn is also the obscured 3, picked up at Ft. Wash earlier this year. Maybe someone's sitting on all those "common" variations? Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:22:29 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: avalables update :) the only ones left are: 1970(?) hockey booklet Rod Gilbert 1966 Landrum (button showing) 43 a Mickey Mantel wooden disk, abou the size of a half-dollar. bad drawing of mick's face on one side and "rain check" on the other. thanks and I'll let those of you who already emailed me know in a bit... I'm off for a run to try to beat the rain.... ================= To: , Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 10:24:34 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... I have the B version as well. I think that they did this on purpose to try to just make it look like a 2. I looked at it under my little eyglass and it really does look like a 2, except you can tell it is different from the other 2 nearby. I think we should get scans of all 3 on the web page! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: XDrJ@AOL.COM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 4:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautifulone at that! But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the 1959 Spahn #40 card. Using the Big Beckett book terminology: 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) 40B Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured) 40C Warren Spahn COR (born 1921) It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent to me!!! Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen the seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above. What gives? Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there? OBC is good..... doc J Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 11:16:41 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Obak progress Since 1997, I've been keeping track of how many different Obaks I have. Every so often, I'll make an entry onto a piece of scrap paper. Noticing I hadn't made an entry since April, I thought I'd update my list and share some of the entries with the group. My only regret is that I didn't start this list back when I started collecting these fabulous cards back around 1990. It's kind of neat to actually see the progress being made toward completing the set. What's most amazing is that I haven't lost the piece of scrap paper in six years! Complete 'basic' set breakdown is as follows: 1911 = 175; 1910 = 175; 1909 76 12/26/1997 --> 1911 = 102; 1910 = 110; 1909 = 27 2/25/1998 --> 1911 = 119; 1910 = 117; 1909 = 27 8/8/1999 --> 1911 = 131; 1910 = 129; 1909 = 36 7/27/2000 --> 1911 = 149; 1910 = 159; 1909 = 55 4/21/2001 --> 1911 = 160; 1910 = 159; 1909 = 57 12/18/2001 --> 1911 = 160; 1910 = 163; 1909 = 71 4/2/2003 --> 1911 = 168; 1910 = 169; 1909 = 73 12/30/2003 --> 1911 = 171; 1910 = 171; 1909 = 74 Yes, the math says I only need 10 more cards. I have a feeling I won't be making too many more entries before I complete the set - I've only managed six hits in the last nine months. The thrill of the chase continues... Happy Collecting! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 12:59:51 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Subject: Fantasy Football Challenge Pardon the interruption on a non-baseball topic. I'll keep it brief. Some guys from work and I are doing a Fantasy Football Challenage. I wanted to extend this offer to my OBC friends. Basically you pick 1 player from each of the 12 playoffs teams and compete using the player's fantasy score. High score gets 75% and 2nd place gets 25%. If you want more details let me know and I'll send them to you. There is a fee involved. -Bob R. Have fun customizing MSN Messenger — learn how here! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_customize ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:23:43 EST To: boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help IDing a card e-94 close candy...worth about 700 dollars in nice condition, obc condition is around $200. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:25:47 EST To: Typecard@aol.com, boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help IDing a card Sounds like it is but it is not a e-98...crawford was not in the e-98 set and it says star players...he just meant that there were 30 listed... ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 15:12:49 -0500 To: XDrJ@AOL.COM From: Mark S Talbot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... Hi All,

    Now I have the "C" version of the `59 Warren Spahn card with 1921.  I remember have at least (2) dupes of this card as well that I sent out to somebody, all were the same 1921 version.  So that one certainly exist out here.  I need the other two versions so I'm still on the prowl - BE WELL!!!

Happy Holiday's All,

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XDrJ@AOL.COM wrote:

 With Al Cummings' kindness to me, I now own the 59 Spahn, and a beautiful one at that!

But I need help in understanding what appears to be three prints of the 1959 Spahn #40 card.

Using the Big Beckett book terminology:

40A  Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931)

40B  Warren Spahn ERR  (born 1931, but the three is partially obscured)

40C  Warren Spahn COR (born 1921)

It is the middle one that seems most rare....and the one that AL sent to me!!!

Curiously, I have seen this one several times, but I have never seen the seemingly more common 1st and 3rd above.

What gives?   Any experienced thoughts from OBCers out there?

OBC is good..... doc J

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OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:15:12 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: test just a test... Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:49:06 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Spahn variation My Dick Gilkeson variation book shows 1921 as the most common, the doctored3 in 1931 as more difficult and the 1931 non doctored as the most difficult. The SCD catalog shows also shows the 1921 as the common but the doctored3 as more difficult than 1931. I have all three cards and didn't really have much trouble finding them all but that was probably 10 years ago. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:56:20 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: It's not yet 2004, but... While traveling around the great state of Florida (literally...we drove 850 miles and never left the state), I tried to explain the annual Vegas trip to my wife. Since she's interested in visiting Sin City someday, she asked a bunch of questions I was unprepared to answer. Since I've never been to one, I was wondering if somebody could give me a primer. Of particular 1. Where do members stay? 2. Should we rent a car at the airport, or do other OBCers tend to shuttle visitors around? 3. Will there be activities for the spouse (this one is important...Ellen's not really big on having to sit around and listen to grown men talk about baseball 4. Is there a date set yet for V04? If all goes well, I may be planning on attending this year's festivities. Southwest flies direct from Jax to Vegas, my mother-in-law would gladly babysit our daughter for the weekend, and I'm always up for meeting friends. Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:20:30 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] '59 Spahn variation question... For those counting at home I have: 40A Warren Spahn ERR (born 1931) ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 20:47:13 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It's not yet 2004, but... Speaking of V04, has anyone set up an email server for V04 yet? ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:35:40 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: OBC LI Get Together Well gang, had a pretty good time today with a few near and far OBC-ers. Kit Okamuro arrived first after traveling by rail for the better part of two hours. Not far behind was fellow traveler Ken Morganti, of all people, who drove down from greater Boston, Jeff Delott, who is a local boy, as is George Altemose who arrived during his "lunch hour" (as did Jeff). We had a pretty good swap session and I got a real kick out of ogling George's T-Card dupes. Thumbing through a stack I noticed mess of HOF'er,s including a Walter Johnson T-206--Geez! I've laid low on Tobacco cards for a while but George was kind enough to fill in my newly created 56 Topps wantlist, which was also damaged by Jeff. Kit shortened my 71 Supers list by about half and also got me started on my 1971-72 Topps Basketball set with a Havlicek, while Ken handed me a 63 Fleer Warren Spahn and a few other 56's. We swapped a few tales along the way as well. Next time around I'll try to host on a weekend, maybe next Thanksgiving or around one of the local (and not-great) shows in the fall. At this point, I will be vying to make the March Ft.Washington show but will probably miss Vegas. As always, I'll be attending events as my schedule permits but look forward to a busy 2004 in OBC land. Happy New Year All- ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 00:39:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ursaner@seas.upenn.edu Subject: First OBC Post! Dear Members of OBC! I am very excited to write my first ever OBC message post! Thanks to everyone who sent a welcome letter, they were all very nice! I didn't get a chance to respond right away because I have been away the past week but I think got to all of them. Anyway, I am going to try and update my wantlist tomorrow. Hope everyone had a great holiday and has a great New Years tomorrow! As for actual baseball rambling, only one thing to say right now. I read a book that I would recommend to anyone in this group. It is called Moneyball (2003) by Michael Lewis. I am not a big reader so I don't know if many people have heard of it or not. It is about "the art of winning an unfair game" looking specifically at the Oakland A's who have managed to win a lot of games while having one of the lowest payrolls in the league. I do not like to read too much more than what I need to for classes but I couldn't put this book Alright well thats it. The novelty of first post is wearing off...but the excitement of being in the group hasn't!! Hope to hear from many more people Jason Ursaner ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 02:09:47 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: 59 Spahn A new variation...I think...as my 59 Spahn has a printer mark in the upper left hand corner..40D?? Try and find one of those babies!!...very rare!! Just may be one of a kind (I certainly hope so)!! OBC Special!! No offense to anyone but my stupid sense of humor could not resist not responding any longer. ps...I don't even have a 59T Spahn!!! ...not even a 40E...with penciled glasses!!! (now THAT'S a variation...."tiptonized" and very prized!!...'cause that would be from an OBCer!! Happy New Year all!! OBC..'nuff said!! ================= To: "ramblings" Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 09:45:24 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Subject: just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass I was opening my new topps cards and noticed that barry bonds was listed in the correct place on the back of the HR leaders card, but no picture on the front. So, I go looking and found this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1661883 Is there some way we can point out to him how awful this is? What an ass. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:51:23 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass In a message dated 12/31/03 9:47:18 AM Central Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net writes: I was opening my new topps cards and noticed that barry bonds was listed in the correct place on the back of the HR leaders card, but no picture on the front. So, I go looking and found this article: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1661883 Is there some way we can point out to him how awful this is? What an ass. is there someone out there who actually thought he wasn't an ass? ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:35:59 -0800 (PST) To: smartalecx@aol.com, seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass Situations like these just reaffirm to me how ridiculous greed in pro sports has gotten these days. I have never liked Bonds because of his attitude, but this is just plain stupid. I can deal with good players having attitudes (many would agree that Ted Williams carried a sizeable chip on his shoulder back during his playing days....and even long after he retired)but at least back then the good players still considered it an honor to appear on things like baseball cards that would go to the kids. Bonds move is just proof that on top of it all, he still wants more money. As if he will ever be out on the street because he didn't negotiate a Topps or Donruss contract by himself. Whatever. I hope he feels good taking the couple million more he will secure by doing it this way and adding it to the pile. --- smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/31/03 9:47:18 AM Central > Standard Time, > seanobc@comcast.net writes: > I was opening my new topps cards and noticed > that barry bonds was listed in the correct place on > the back of the HR leaders card, but no picture on > the front. So, I go looking and found this article: > http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1661883 > Is there some way we can point out to him how > awful this is? What an ass. > Sean > is there someone out there who actually thought he > wasn't an ass? I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:45:06 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass Of course BB players negotiating with BB Card companies is nothing new. I believe Ted Williams wasn't in the Topps 59 or 60 sets because he negotiated his own deal with Fleer. He even started his own company (Ted Williams cards) perhaps Barry will try the same stunt? ================= Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:19:13 +0800 To: OBC-ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Happy New Year Since it's after midnight here (way ahead of all of you again), just wanted to take a moment and wish all of my good friends a Happy New Year. I would also like to thank you for the continued friendship and cardboard. Certainly a special group of friends and I look forward to a lasting relationship. Take care, Lynn OBC - The Place to Be!! ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:53:16 EST To: Smartalecx@aol.com, seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass As a Giants Partial Season Ticket Holder I will take the unpopular view that I love to watch Barry Bonds play ball and all the other stuff I ignore. I only focus on the accomplishments between the white lines. Barry is incredible on the ball field! Happy New Year OBC! ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 18:28:05 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass >"Barry, don't do this! Please, come back!" begged Bill Dully, president of Donruss trading cards. >Dully says Bonds' decision not to participate in the group licensing agreement will make it very hard >for card companies to capitalize on his closing in on the all-time home run crown. It looks like there is more than one jerk here. Poor, poor card ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:51:48 -0800 (PST) To: Todd Knowles , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass Glad to see that somebody else noticed this point. I think that the money that card companies make with "game-used" and other "memorabilia" cards might have played a part in Barry's decision... For the love of Ruth...did you see what happened in 2001 when Bonds knocked his 71st? A guy caught it and got tackled. The ogre that tackled the rightful owner won the melee that followed, and the whole matter went to court. It was all about the money, and maybe Barry doesn't want somebody else to profit off his hard If he were a stand-up guy, Barry would give his memorabilia to the Hall of Fame and charities...but we know that won't happen. Take care, --- Todd Knowles wrote: > >"Barry, don't do this! Please, come back!" begged > Bill Dully, > president of Donruss trading cards. > >Dully says Bonds' decision not to participate in > the group licensing > agreement will make it very hard >for card companies > to capitalize on > his closing in on the all-time home run crown. > It looks like there is more than one jerk here. > Poor, poor card > companies. Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:25:01 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, tknowles@sofast.net, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass He can't give a ball claimed by a fan and then sold by the courts. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 23:35:21 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Subject: Barry Bonds I do NOT think Bonds is an ass. He is a smart business man. He is also one of the top 10 greatest all around players of all time I'd say :-) ================= Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 21:24:37 -0800 (PST) To: tply@aol.com, tknowles@sofast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass My point exactly. In 1961, when Roger Maris took Tracy Stallard deep for his 61st homer of the season, the ball was caught by a newlywed 19-year old truck driver named Sal Durante. Prior to the game, a California restaurant owner offered $5000 for the ball, and Durante took up the offer so that he could take a honeymoon with his new A lot of fans know that, but...who knows what happened after that? During the offseason -- in early 1962 -- the restaurant owner invited Maris to his eatery. Maris came by and the ball was returned to him. Had I been the one who caught the ball that Bonds hit, I'd have done the following: 1. I'm a big guy, so I would have had the incredible pleasure of beating up that cretin that tackled the guy who actually caught the ball -- live on TV, and no court would have convicted me for decking him if he decided to sue me for busting his a$$. 2. Perhaps giving the ball back to Bonds would be a bit much, but donating the ball to Cooperstown would have been the greatest thing, because that's where the ball should have gone. By donating it, it would get me out of the position of having to pay taxes on the "earned income" to both the IRS and the state of 3. I'd have made certain to tell the reporters about the OBC spirit and how giving the ball outright to the Hall of Fame was the logical conclusion. Speaking of OBC spirit, I wish to extend my hope for a happy and prosperous New Year to all my OBC brethren. 2003 was my first full year as an OBCer, and my 1951-80 Topps wantlist has shrunk from over 10,000 to a little over 8300. I've come within 10 cards of my '79 set and less than 100 on four others. I never would have made much headway on so many sets if I was still just lurking around eBay. Also, I've been grateful for the way I can tap such a great pool of knowledge about the hobby. My website generates a lot of email, and some of you have been able to help me answer some questions that would have otherwise gone unanswered. I never make resolutions because I never keep them, but this year I'll make an easy one...I'll do my part to keep that OBC spirit alive. Take care, --- tply@aol.com wrote: > He can't give a ball claimed by a fan and then sold > by the courts. I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:39:30 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, tknowles@sofast.net, From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just when you thought maybe Bonds isn't an ass You would tell the Hall about the OBC spirit after or before you beat the guys fanny? In an event I agree with the ball belonging to the Hall, not the fans. Happy New Year OBC!!!! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 00:40:14 EST To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Barry Bonds