================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 09:55:22 EST Subject: is there a card of this guy? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com My friend is looking for a card of his relative Fred Bruck, who he thinks played for the Cardinals around 1910-1912. He's not in T205, T206, T207 or any of the caramel sets. Does anyone know of a card for him? ================= To: Subject: Any storage ideas?? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:02:35 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" I'm getting ready to put away the bulk of my collection for 5 years or so in order to make room for my daughters to have their own bedrooms. We have a walkout basement and one of the rooms is unfinished where we store outdoor stuff between seasons. It has a garage door on the outside so does not seal as well as desired. I plan to put the cards in there on shelving that will keep them off the floor. Any other ideas to keep the bugs and critters away? Mothballs? ================= Date: 1 Nov 2003 15:49:14 -0000 To: "Chuck Paris" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any storage ideas?? From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Chuck, a big consideration is humidity. You don't want your collection exposed to very humid conditions, combined with big temperature changes. If the space you are putting them in is not climate controlled I'd consider some sealed containers that would help keep them in a more friendly environment. Heat and humidity are your worst enemies along, of course, with exposure to light, especially sunlight. On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:02:35 -0500, "Chuck Paris" wrote : > I'm getting ready to put away the bulk of my collection for 5 years or so in order to make room for my daughters to have their own bedrooms. > We have a walkout basement and one of the rooms is unfinished where we store outdoor stuff between seasons. It has a garage door on the outside so does not seal as well as desired. I plan to put the cards in there on shelving that will keep them off the floor. > Any other ideas to keep the bugs and critters away? Mothballs? > TIA, > Chuck ================= To: "Chuck Paris" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Any storage ideas?? Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:55:48 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Chuck -- I've found that for any sets prior to the fifties, it's easier just to give them to me... Actually, go to Target and get those plastic bins about the size of a laundry hamper. You can stack them and it keeps them dry. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Paris To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 11/1/2003 7:02:52 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Any storage ideas?? I'm getting ready to put away the bulk of my collection for 5 years or so in order to make room for my daughters to have their own bedrooms. We have a walkout basement and one of the rooms is unfinished where we store outdoor stuff between seasons. It has a garage door on the outside so does not seal as well as desired. I plan to put the cards in there on shelving that will keep them off the floor. Any other ideas to keep the bugs and critters away? Mothballs? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:18:32 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any storage ideas?? To: chuckparis@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I like David Kolenda's idea the best... build a card shop in your basement! If any of you have had the pleasure of visiting David's, he has the greatest setup I've ever seen. After visiting I was thinking of adding an extension to the house LOL. David, I hope things are going well on your end and that you return to full status soon. In all seriousness, humidity is the real enemy here. A dehumidifier would help, but you'd be emtpying that bucket 10 times a day. ================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:28:08 EST Subject: GBSCC show report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Friday after work I headed about ten minutes south to Wilmington, MA for the annual Greater Boston Sports Collector's Club convention. This ended up rather convenient for me as the past two years combined I had a total of two trick-or-treaters, so I wasn't missing anything at home. I got to the show about 4:45 and wandered around for about ten minutes when I ran into Ken Morganti (aka Industry Expert). As we were catching up on things, we stopped at some tables and made some hits to our lists (yes gang - Ken remembered his list!). Later, we spotted Sean McGowan making a late day sweep. I missed seeing Bob Farrell earlier in the day :-( I ended up buying a couple of strip cards, a '67 hi number and an E98 Hughey Jennings for less than expected...which is only right because not all of the card is there anyway. Today I woke up early and couldn't get back to sleep. So I decided to start my day about an hour early and head to the show for the opening bell. Got a great parking spot right outside the front door. Inside I met Bob Donaldson and together we roamed the floor during the morning hours. Later I ran into Brett Domue and Ken Morganti. At noon, I scoped out a table in the Fez (dining) room for our annual lunch/swap session. Spike Glidden and Robert Pigeon (with his daughter) filled out the table nicely. We hung out for an hour swapping cards and stories and then hit the hall for some afternoon buying. My take from the show today were a T206 Bender, another E98 (common), a pair of helmar Stamps (including a Clarke), some T218's and T220's, a '61 Mays and a '58 Mantle AS. After we were spent (physically and/or financially) we all headed to Bertucci's for some good Italian food. What a way to end the day! Overall I was a bit disappointed with the selection - usually this show yields some good OBC material but bargain bins had given way to slabs and other types of "memorabilia." There were still some good buys to be had, but you had to dig for them...and then negotiate, of course ;-) Thanks to the guys that made yesterday and today a good time. For me, shows are at least as much for the social aspect as they are about the cards. I'm lucky enough to live in an area where I can get the best of both. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 03:53:36 EST Subject: A Burning Question... computer related request To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... My poor ol' Mac PowerBook 3400c is beginning to show major signs of its age, with the CD tray and the SCSI port now completely failing. This creates a little problem, as I don't have much hard disk room left. Some of you know that I archive all OBC e-mail (along with a bunch of other stuff!), and right now my current AOL "Filing Cabinet" for xTrJmx has passed the 4,000 message point, going back to nearly the beginning of this year. Since I no longer can use the SCSI port, I can no longer burn a copy onto a CD-R. Do any of you have *all* of the following: (1) a Mac (yeah, I know, Windows-based PCs can burn Mac discs too, but it's been hit and miss when I've tried in the past and I don't want to take a (2) high speed internet (*big* files!), (3) a CD burner AND (4) the time to burn a few CDs of data for me (including the OBC archives)? I think I can figure a way to either ftp files directly or post them on one of the archival websites where they can be retrieved. (If anyone has any other suggestions about logistics, I'm all ears!). I'd be more than happy to reimburse expenses for the time, materials, and shipping. Thanks in advance and take care, P.S., Do any of you have any experience with the new Mac iBook G4? If so, I'd love to know what you think of it... seriously considering it for our next computer. Thx! ================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 06:18:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: DiMaggio, Williams + 1 Salutation exhibits on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Looks like three Salutation exhibits, including Ted and Joe. $10 opening bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762671668&category=636&rd=1 Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 08:40:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: T206 cards + scrapbook on eBay To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2763380648&category=31719 $42 right now. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= To: Subject: GBSCC show report Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 19:39:21 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" This Saturday I went to the GBSCC show at the Shriner's in Wilmington MA. The show seemed to lack it's usual pizzaz, maybe because Mr. Rittenburg could not make it. I did find a few pretty good deals including a 65 Willie Mays for $3 and a few HOF T206's. The crowd seemed kinda light and the bargin bins weren't as plentiful as I would have liked. Highlight of the show was meeting up with OBCers. Jim Hatch helped me finda few bargains, Spike had some 69 Topps BB stamps. Someone (Spike? Jim? Bob Pigeon?) had a hit to the 67 set. There's probably something else that I am neglecting. Sorry. Bob P was there with his daughter scoping out Pokemon cards. My favorite auctioneer Ken "Industry Expert" Morganti also joined us. And I can't forget Brett Domue who handed 2 E90's, a couple of DS including a Gehringer and a stack of 71 Kellogs that could choke a horse bringing me down to 7 for the Afterwards it was off to Bertuccis for Italian food and plenty of hot stovetalk on our beloved Red Sox! thanks Guys! thanks OBC! ================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 11:16:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Wilmington, MA show report To: obc ramblings From: Matthew This past Saturday, I joined several OBCers at what's generally the best Boston show of the year, the GBSCC show in Wilmington. Plunging inside despite the exemplary weather (70+ on November 1!), I caught up to the guys having lunch in the Fez Room (the show is in a Shriner's Auditorium). After kicking cards around (thanks Brett for some 52s) and checking out random wantlists, I started looking at tables, which turned out somewhat better for me than the other guys--I spent my allowance in the first two rows, mostly on 33 Goudeys. Took in some good hits to the #5 type collection, including 1941 Goudey, 1932 Orbit pin, and 1968 Atlantic Oil. A couple of upgrades to 1956 and one or two 50s hits rounded out the haul. We left the show for pizza at Bertucci's, with their bottomless sodas and more-than-adequate supply of food. Another hour of bandying about cards and sports closed an excellent day of cardboard, meeting up with Jim Hatch, Ken Morganti, Brett Domue, Bob Donaldson, and Robert Pigeon + 1. Thanks again to all, hope I didn't miss any hits to my lists. Mug shots to come soon! Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= To: Subject: quick question Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 15:28:30 -0700 From: "Marshall West" ================= Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:41:07 EST Subject: V04 Dates To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, BDAngelo@aol.com, HMorgan707@aol.com, From: topgolf@aol.com The Las Vegas 51s announced their schedule today, clearing the way to set the Vegas 04 dates. We traditionally schedule one of the weekends 'tween Mother's Day and Memorial Day. There are two such weekends in 04, with the 51s in town for May 14-16. Therefore, those will be the official (as it gets) dates for V04. I know that every year the date generates discussion and a bit of controversy. I apologize to those who cannot make this date but I am not of the mind to change it. Glenn Codere is planning on attending this year to become our first member to need a passport to attend, and as soon as he forwards his shoe size (not that it matters) his request will be processed. Rest well, ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 Dates Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:17:58 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Hey Big Al...better start packing....you gotta leave in a couple of days if you want to be there anywhere near on time... The Las Vegas 51s announced their schedule today, clearing the way to set the Vegas 04 dates. We traditionally schedule one of the weekends 'tween Mother's Day and Memorial Day. There are two such weekends in 04, with the 51s in town for May 14-16. Therefore, those will be the official (as it gets) dates for V04. I know that every year the date generates discussion and a bit of controversy. I apologize to those who cannot make this date but I am not of the mind to change it. Glenn Codere is planning on attending this year to become our first member to need a passport to attend, and as soon as he forwards his shoe size (not that it matters) his request will be processed. Rest well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:19:56 EST Subject: OBC mini meet in NYC To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Last night I had the privilege to meet up with Bob Donaldson who is staying in NYC for a few weeks. Well, first things first I speak with Bob on the phone and we set a time to meet. We agree on 7pm and ofcourse I was on time but NYC traffic ruined that plan. I got to Bobs place at around 7:30 not too bad than goodness I know all alternate routes in NYC other than highways. I called up Bob and told him I was there and he said I will be down in 2 minutes. I am walking around the Street and I see a man coming out the building Bob is living in and he is wearing a very cool Brooklyn Dodgers hat so I yell out "BOB?" he stops and say "ROB!" we said out hellos and shook hands. I said I have something for you its not much but you have a rough want list to hi but I found 1. he says thanx I have some for you...and hands me 3 T206s....WOW sweet cards. Now we start walking around NYC and having some good chat and some dummy in front of us is throwing up an umbrella and it almost hits us and bob got to see the winners we have here in NYC...lol now we are deciding ona place to eat...we decide on ESPN zone. Inside the ZONE we get seated within 3 minutes and we get a nice seat see all the TVs, but we really didn't watch the sports we chatted all about sports cards. What a wonderful chat we had we left the Zone after 10 PM we were chatting about 2 hours and didn't even realize it. I kinda realized the time when we got to the zone the Nets Game had just started and when we were starting to Finnish the game was over.....lol Now we are on our way out and ESPN has this great picture of all Yankees authentic cards from the 50s-on and when you look at it from adistance you see The Babe's face....AMAZING. Now we decide to walk around some more and chat more and more.....finally I look a the watch and its 11:30 and I got to get up early as does bob. I say to Bob I hope parking isn't too much he said who kn ows.....lol it wound up only being $8.00 so I was happy..... In closing i want to thank Bob for the cards and the chat i had a great hope to do it again Rob Gioia ================= To: trufan999@aol.com Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:29:56 -0500 Subject: Cleveland Show From: Bob Saxton Hi, John. Are you still planning to attend the Cleveland show? I think I'm going to be able to get over there by about 11 am on Sat. Bob Saxton The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC mini meet in NYC Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:29:31 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Had a great time with Rob last night. Picked up a 65 Don Blasingame from Rob and he also treated me to dinner at the ESPNZone. We then took a walk during which we saw Leroy Neiman (at least I did) and the "Get ready to rumble guy"(at least Rob did). We talked the usual, cards, family, work. The next thing I knew it was almost midnight! It's great when you're stuck in a city far from home to meet up with a great friend you've never met before! thanks Rob! thanks OBC! ================= To: "topgolf" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 Dates Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 19:45:52 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Mike, It's all penciled in. I will roll in around the 14th, and roll out around the 16th. If Saint Al leaves in the next 10 days he should get there for most of the events. ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:47 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; BDAngelo@aol.com; HMorgan707@aol.com; CardClctor@aol.com; TraderDoug@aol.com; marcpeter@juno.com; illini90@earthlink.net; DKolenda@surfnetinc.com; srittenberg66@earthlink.net Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 Dates The Las Vegas 51s announced their schedule today, clearing the way to set the Vegas 04 dates. We traditionally schedule one of the weekends 'tween Mother's Day and Memorial Day. There are two such weekends in 04, with the 51sin town for May 14-16. Therefore, those will be the official (as it gets) dates for V04. I know that every year the date generates discussion and a bit of controversy. I apologize to those who cannot make this date but I am not of the mind to change it. Glenn Codere is planning on attending this year to become our first member to need a passport to attend, and as soon as he forwards his shoe size (notthat it matters) his request will be processed. Rest well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:12:20 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V04 Dates To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 11/04/2003 7:20:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, grains@dccnet.com writes: Hey Big Al...better start packing....you gotta leave in a couple of days if you want to be there anywhere near on time... Big Al never UNpacked from last year (or was it 02...) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '62 Ford Postcard (Tigers) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 15:06:27 +0000 From: Glenn This may be of some interest to the Tigers fans in our group. The ebay item below is a group of 12 auotgraphed "Old Timers" cards and photographs. Among them, you can just make out the Larry Osborne postcard from the rare '62 Ford Motor Co Tigers set. The whole lot is at $3.50 at present with 3 days to go. Could be a bargian for that single item alone! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2763975369&category=27265 Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:43:54 PST From: nthomas@pol.net An true OBC 53 Bowman Mantle, only around $10 right now. If you are into reading backs, this card isn;t for you. Title of item: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! Starts: Oct-31-03 00:24:12 PST Ends: Nov-07-03 00:24:12 PST Price: Currently $10.50 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 Item Description: You are bidding on a poorly damaged 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle, with poor corners and edges, the back of the card is totally gone, i guess it was due to some oil stuffs or water.!!!!!. See scan. S&H will be$ 2.50, payment must received within 10 days, Money Order(Prefered Method), PayPal(+3% more with total, because PayPal charge those from seller) sorry no checks, international bidders are welcome but S&H varys, please visit my other auctions, thanks ***Due to lots of non-paying bidders, you must have at least 10+ feedbacks to place bids on my auction, unless you e-mail me in advance, sorry, but things like these are getting worse on ebay. Thanks for understanding ... *** Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: "o b" Subject: yahoo geocities Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 10:54:02 -0500 From: "jeff sinclair" Hey guys, I'm in one of those card sending phases between job searches right now and it seems that I am unable to open any sites with a gepcities address. Something on my end because I also needed to change my site from yahooas well?? Anyhow, if you have one of those sites and would like to forwardme your lists I may have something for you. I've sent a few packages and have another 20 or so waiting to go in the mail......... ================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 11:17:41 EST Subject: Finally had two... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com seconds to scrape together and updated my wantlist on the site. In fact, both the regular and the phillies are now updated...of course, I have a pile of thank yous already and will try to post them later today. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:48:14 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" This definitely looks like a reprint. The nice white border is not consistant with severage paper loss damage. It should be more scuffed or less white. Check out the followiing website: http://www.andale.com/img/template.jsp Notice in the lower right where it says reprint. This part of the card has been conveniently removed the item #2762971290. I'm guessing it was from the 1989 Bowman set and somebody removed the entire back and the word reprint plus a couple of other tears to make it look less >From: nthomas@pol.net >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: >53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:43:54 PST >An true OBC 53 Bowman Mantle, only around $10 right now. If you are into >reading backs, this card isn;t for you. >Title of item: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Starts: Oct-31-03 00:24:12 PST >Ends: Nov-07-03 00:24:12 PST >Price: Currently $10.50 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 >Item Description: > You are bidding on a poorly damaged 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle, with >poor corners and edges, the back of the card is totally gone, i guess it >was due to some oil stuffs or water.!!!!!. See scan. S&H will be$ 2.50, >payment must received within 10 days, Money Order(Prefered Method), >PayPal(+3% more with total, because PayPal charge those from seller) sorry >no checks, international bidders are welcome but S&H varys, please visit my >other auctions, thanks ***Due to lots of non-paying bidders, you must have >at least 10+ feedbacks to place bids on my auction, unless you e-mail me in >advance, sorry, but things like these are getting worse on ebay. Thanks for >understanding ... *** > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 11:57:26 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" Try this link instead to see what a "unmodified" version of the reprint looks like. Item #2762971290 is a fake! >From: nthomas@pol.net >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: >53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:43:54 PST >An true OBC 53 Bowman Mantle, only around $10 right now. If you are into >reading backs, this card isn;t for you. >Title of item: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Starts: Oct-31-03 00:24:12 PST >Ends: Nov-07-03 00:24:12 PST >Price: Currently $10.50 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 >Item Description: > You are bidding on a poorly damaged 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle, with >poor corners and edges, the back of the card is totally gone, i guess it >was due to some oil stuffs or water.!!!!!. See scan. S&H will be$ 2.50, >payment must received within 10 days, Money Order(Prefered Method), >PayPal(+3% more with total, because PayPal charge those from seller) sorry >no checks, international bidders are welcome but S&H varys, please visit my >other auctions, thanks ***Due to lots of non-paying bidders, you must have >at least 10+ feedbacks to place bids on my auction, unless you e-mail me in >advance, sorry, but things like these are getting worse on ebay. Thanks for >understanding ... *** > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 12:03:35 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Just like a certain OBCer did years ago........I still have my Guru Makita variation 54B Ted Williams! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reed" To: Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! > This definitely looks like a reprint. The nice white border is not > consistant with severage paper loss damage. It should be more scuffed or > less white. Check out the followiing website: > http://www.andale.com/img/template.jsp > Notice in the lower right where it says reprint. This part of the card has > been conveniently removed the item #2762971290. > I'm guessing it was from the 1989 Bowman set and somebody removed the entire > back and the word reprint plus a couple of other tears to make it look less > obvious. > -Bob > >From: nthomas@pol.net > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site > >53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! > >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:43:54 PST > > > >An true OBC 53 Bowman Mantle, only around $10 right now. If you are > >reading backs, this card isn;t for you. > > > >Neal > > > >Title of item: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! > >Seller: patch03works > >Starts: Oct-31-03 00:24:12 PST > >Ends: Nov-07-03 00:24:12 PST > >Price: Currently $10.50 > >To bid on the item, go > >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 > > > > > >Item Description: > > You are bidding on a poorly damaged 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle, > >poor corners and edges, the back of the card is totally gone, i guess it > >was due to some oil stuffs or water.!!!!!. See scan. S&H will be$ > >payment must received within 10 days, Money Order(Prefered Method), > >PayPal(+3% more with total, because PayPal charge those from seller) sorry > >no checks, international bidders are welcome but S&H varys, please visit my > >other auctions, thanks ***Due to lots of non-paying bidders, you must have > >at least 10+ feedbacks to place bids on my auction, unless you e-mail me in > >advance, sorry, but things like these are getting worse on ebay. Thanks for > >understanding ... *** > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > _________________________________________________________________ > From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always > on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! > http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/QBiolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:22:19 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" First I put the wrong link, then I forgot to put the link. Let's see if I can get it right this time :-) 1953 Reprint Bowman Mantle from the 1989 Bowman Set http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2763090077 (notice where the word "reprint" is located in the lower right) Altered 1953 Reprint Bowman Mantle - SCAM ALERT!!!!!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 (notice the convenient paper loss in the lower right where the word "reprint" should be) Original 1953 Bowman Mantle http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762634037 >From: nthomas@pol.net >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: >53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 07:43:54 PST >An true OBC 53 Bowman Mantle, only around $10 right now. If you are into >reading backs, this card isn;t for you. >Title of item: 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle $ 2,000 ! >Starts: Oct-31-03 00:24:12 PST >Ends: Nov-07-03 00:24:12 PST >Price: Currently $10.50 >To bid on the item, go >to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 >Item Description: > You are bidding on a poorly damaged 53 Bowman Color Mickey Mantle, with >poor corners and edges, the back of the card is totally gone, i guess it >was due to some oil stuffs or water.!!!!!. See scan. S&H will be$ 2.50, >payment must received within 10 days, Money Order(Prefered Method), >PayPal(+3% more with total, because PayPal charge those from seller) sorry >no checks, international bidders are welcome but S&H varys, please visit my >other auctions, thanks ***Due to lots of non-paying bidders, you must have >at least 10+ feedbacks to place bids on my auction, unless you e-mail me in >advance, sorry, but things like these are getting worse on ebay. Thanks for >understanding ... *** > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com Great deals on high-speed Internet access as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ================= Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 14:38:18 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2762971290: 53 Bow... To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com In a message dated 11/6/03 11:21:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, boreed@hotmail.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762971290 Definitely a reprint, border too white, reprint removed, back removed...looks like that bowman from '89 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Trading Reference Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 17:30:11 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Has anyone ever traded with Michael Tucci, ebay id 18colt? We both bid on the same ebay lot and he approached me about doing a trade. Says he's heard good things (of course!) about OBC. ================= Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 05:18:34 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Gone to SPAM town.... From: Peter Hello all! I have great news - for me at least and I know you all will be happy to hear my happiness... I am off on Monday for 10 days in the Spam capital of the world (the kind in the tin...) Austin Minnesota! Covenant Players was hired to fulfill a grant that was given for performances in public schools in the Austin area. The grant is for programs on Drinking and Driving and Substance Abuse. We will also be doing a couple of plays in Spanish (never thought of Austin as a Spanish Speaking town - but since I was last there in 1970 on my first tour - I guess things have changed). Anyway - many of you know how much I love traveling and performing plays - so I wanted to let you know I got this opportunity. I will be going with one other person and we will be picking up another in Austin - we have 30+ performances 1 to 4 hours long - for Jr. high Senior High and also a couple of Church Audiences to perform for on the weekend. I will try to keep up on everything on line - but if I am not answering your e-mails - you know why! PS - if anyone lives near Austin let me know - I will not have a lot of time but it would be great to meet another OBCer! The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Small auction with OBC-worthy lots Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 00:50:48 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" One lot has 33 cards from 1952 starting at $89. http://www.baseballplanetauctions.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=1623&getauctionid=44 ================= Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 21:58:51 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Small auction with OBC-worthy lots From: Lynn Miller Another of my secret sites uncovered. Good thing I didn't bid on this one :-) Steve Rittenberg wrote: >One lot has 33 cards from 1952 starting at $89. >http://www.baseballplanetauctions.com/bid/bidplace.asp?itemid=1623&getauctionid=44 ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: The wildest of coincedences..... Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 23:22:33 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" So, I have maybe a dozen cards from varios years sitting on my desk that need to be put away. First I do some '33 Goudeys, one of which is #36 Tommy Thevenow. Of course I read the back,... car accident, broken leg, still giving his best, blah, blah. Then, about an hour later, (I was doing other stuff too) I'm putting away some '77's, and, bye the way, I hope I thanked whoever sent these... the Murphy RC and the Dawson RC were in this very small pile! So, the last one I put in is #206 Boog Powell. I won't make you go dig him up to look.... I was reading the back.... I even read the backs on my 2nd sets... it has been a while :) So, what does it say? 44 years later... "Tommy Thevenow's 2 lifetime HR's were both inside- the-park drives." Holy Cow! What are the odds of that? Ok Sean, go to bed :) ================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:11:37 EST Subject: Waiver Wire List #2 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, Better late than never. I've been so busy at work that I did not get to post these two weeks ago as I said I would. 1956 Topps Baseball - 1957 Topps Baseball - 1958 Topps Baseball - 1961 Fleer - 3,9,11,16,18(2),20,27,29(2),36,48,51,53,60(3),62(2),65,67,88(3) Up For Trading: 1958 Topps Baseball Starter Set - consists of 220 cards. If I find nobody wants to trade for it; it will go eBay. I have essentially cleaned out my 50's dup box. Coming soon my 60's dup boxes. I have two 5000 count boxes of these. I will try to distribute them out from everybody's wantlists. Any leftovers I'll post on the waiver wire. Thanks for looking and please include your mailing address to speed the process up. ================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 10:19:48 EST Subject: Why pro athletes should never apply for real jobs To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com 1. Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: "I wan' all dem kids to do what I do, to look up to me. I wan' all the kids to copulate 2. New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season: "I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first." 3. And, upon hearing Joe Jacobi of the 'Skins say: "I'd run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl," Matt Millen of the Raiders said: "To win, I'd run over Joe's Mom, too." 4. Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: "He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings." 5. Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann, 1996: "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." 6. Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: "I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." (now that is beautiful) 7. Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach: "You guys line up alphabetically by height." And, "You guys pair up in groups of three, and then line up in a circle." 8. Boxing promoter Dan Duva on Mike Tyson going to prison: "Why would anyone expect him to come out smarter? He went to prison for three years, not 9. Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my clothes." 10. Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." 11. Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice: "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt." (I wonder if his IQ ever hit room temperature in January.) 12. Frank Layden, Utah Jazz president, on a former player: "I told him, 'Son, what is it with you? Is it ignorance or apathy?' He said, 'Coach,I don't know and I don't care.'" 13. Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject." 14. Amarillo High School and Oiler coach Bum Phillips when asked by Bob Costas why he takes his wife on all the road trips, Phillips responded: "Because she is too damn ugly to kiss good-bye." ================= Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 18:02:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Canadian Wantlists - Last Call From: "mikesportsfan" Next weekend, Nov. 14-16 is the semi-annual Toronto show. Ron Perry and I plan on hooking up with Carlos Alcazar at it. If anyone else hopes to attend please let me know. Additionally, since Canadian issues are so sparse in many areas, we are willing to be your shoppers. Please forward me your Canadian wantlists, ASAP, with condition requirements and how much you are willing to spend. This is a fantastic show for hockey, but also CFL and OPC BB. Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:51:35 -0500 Subject: Cleveland show From: Bob Saxton Enjoyable time at the Cleveland collectibles show today. And had the distinct pleasure of the first in-person meeting with another OBC'er, John Leroux, who was accompanied by his two great kids! John had emailed me to look for the guy with the five year old redheaded son, and they were easy to spot. I didn't have near as much in my dupes box for John as he had for me, but it was real good to get acquainted with them. Before I went I printed a list of dealers that would be there from the Tristar site, then went to our OBC site to check off those listed as OBC friendly. And the ones at this show sure lived up to that reputation. The first dealer I came to when I entered was the guy from Oklahoma who took pride in the fact that, as he explained it, Larry Tipton helped start OBC from the back of the guys card shop. Got some good bargains there, and I can understand why he's listed as Guru's favorite dealer. Then I looked up the next OBC friendly dealer who immediately spotted my OBC cap and remarked that he had seen a bunch of my buddies last weekend in Boston. Found some very nice 53 Bowmans at very nice prices, as well as several of the 53 Topps Look n See cards of historical figures well below what I've been paying on ebay for them. After a trip up through the exhibition hall to find an ATM machine, knowing that I'd have to sweettalk the good lookin live in blonde tonite, I grabbed a bite to eat and then located John and the kids at Henderson's table where John immediately pointed out the bargain box, accompanied by the comment from Henderson that I'd obviously been in OBC more than a year since I had the ball cap. Found a few other bargains from other dealers, and all in all an enjoyable day with hopefully some cards to hit payback lists. Y'all keep smilin'! The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: baseballplanet auctions Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:32:21 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" following up on a tip from Steve, I'm bidding on a Rose RC on baseballplanet.com. If anyone out there is planning on bidding on this card, LMK and I'll back off. ================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:33:13 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: BFingers From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, Yes again... Almost forgot but my recent eBay endeavors have got me down to 3 commons on the T201's and about half way on the 34 BFingers, including a few Is there anyone out there seriously considering this set!! OBC...'Nuff said!! ================= Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 23:41:38 EST Subject: Cleveland show (rookie impression) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com TriStar show hit Cleveland this weekend, and what a expirence learning about the group through the eyes of our Friendly Dealers. I got there around noon, had two of my kids with me to give Chritsina a break with the baby, and had prearrainged to meet up with Bob Saxton at the show. (the need for a hat became obvious) My kids wore OBC stickers (one dealers jaw dropped as he saw the sticker not knowing that we had a chapter in this area. " You guys are all over aren't you") was his quote... and Alex my 5 year old is easily identafiable for his flaming red hair. Bob found us by Bill Henderson's table, after I roamed around looking for the well storied OBC style card boxes. Bill had a bunch that I picked up when Bob joined us, he found a few in another box. Finally the kids were tired enough of being good, that Bob and I met up at the snack area. Bob's box brought Kayleigh (my daughter) her first basketball cards as she took a quick intrest in the sport last week. ( I ended up buying her a 91-92 set later.) and I found some 60's Tribesmen in there. Real nice of you Bob, again thanks!... Then we took off back to the tables where Bob intoduced me to a couple of other dealers, I snagged some additional 54's for my set, Bob and I left for I was to met up with my father latter in the afternoon, and still had the two kids that wanted something, I finished them up and in my running around one of the dealers that knew of us PJR Sportscards wanted me to tell a guy about our group as Phil Hershey ( the dealer) was trying to explain our attitude and dealings. I gave a small speech and he was interested so to whomever gets the applications we might be getting one from a guy named Bob ?? there could be some trade offers as well. All in all the 5 or so dealers that talked to me and gave "OBC Discounts" were really nice, and were starting to get geared up for the groups presence at National. I know the group has a strong history, and vast national attention but it was great to see it first hand. John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: "obc" Subject: "Say it aint so" Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:06:36 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Just listening to Fox sports radio this morning.........they said its Bob Gibson's 68 th Birthday today...................It cant be...........I know I am not getting older.........seems like yesterday that he was dominating the 67' series..............thanks for listening. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 10:20:01 EST Subject: Rules for being a Yankees fan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Rules to being True a Yankee Fan Rules to be a Yankee Fan 1. It's important to point out past post-season success as often as possible. However, if anyone points out anything in the past that doesn't reflect positively on the Yankees, then argue that it happened in the past and doesn't matter now. For example, it is okay to point out that the Yankees beat the Mariners in the 2000 ALCS. However, if anyone points out that the Mariners beat the Yankees in the 1995 ALDs, then argue that it happened in the past and doesn't matter. 2. Nothing in the regular season matters, unless it's favorable to the Yankees. For example, Roger Clemens is 10-7 this year. However,if anyone points out that the Red Sox have beaten Clemens twice this year, respond by saying, "Regular Season doesn't mean crap". Regular Season wins and losses are especially irrelevant, unless you are referring to the 1998 Yankees. 3. Statistics are for losers. Whenever someone posts a statistic that you find confusing, quickly point out that the Yankees have won 26 World 4. If anyone accuses the Yankees of "buying" their championships, argue that Jeter, B Williams, Pettitte, Soriano, Rivera, and Posada are all home-grown talent. Then, hope that nobody notices that this represents only 6 out of 25 players, and hope they don't bring up Clemens, Mussina, Hitchcock, Witasik, Wohlers, Stanton, Martinez, Sojo, Knoblauch, O'Neill, Brosius, Justice, Lilly etc. 5. Whenever you argue with a Red Sox fan, always bring up 1918. This is supposed to infuriate them and before they respond, you can point out that the Yankees have won 26 championships. See Rule #1 6. Statistics and records are never as important as name recognition. Statistics should always be dismissed unless they are favorable to the Yankees. For example, Roger Clemens is 10-7, but some guy out from Seatle, Joel Pineiro, I think his name is, is 13-5 but that doesn't matter because well-known names are always better than any statistic. If anyone argues with that, see Rule #2. 7. Defend Derek Jeter and Roger Clemens at all costs. Resort to childish name calling and threats of violence if necessary. 8. All other fans of all other teams are bandwagon fans. Nobody has a more loyal, more dedicated following than the Yankees. If a team is hot, or is playing well, call that team's fans bandwagoner's. Then point out how many championships the Yankees have won. See Rule #1. 9. The Yankees are the Defending World Champions until baseball adopts a policy forbidding them to play in the post-season. Such a policy will never exist, because George Steinbrenner vehemently opposes anything that doesn't directly contribute to the success of the Yankees, so therefore, the Yankees will forever be the Defending World Champions. If another teams wins the championship, then it was because of cheating, bias umpires and 10. Logic, Humility, Reason, Tact and Class should be avoided at all times. After all you are the Yankees. ================= Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 19:51:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: A day for football... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet This morning, my 2-way radio that I use for work went off. One of my co-workers was calling me to let me know that he had a couple of tickets to the Jaguar-Colts game here at Alltel Stadium that he wasn't going to be able to use...if I could find a use for them, he'd be happy to leave them in his mailbox. This week, we've been trying to wonder where the autumn went; high temperature each day was in the 80s (87 on Thursday!), but this morning was cool and a mist had settled. That meant that the fair-weather fans of the Jags were probably going to stay home. The Colts were 7-1 and the Jags 1-7, so I figured that if there was going to be a bloodbath, it would at least be interesting to see how far into the game Jacksonville could get before they had yet another meltdown on the field (this year's team is legendary for playing 3 quarters and then forgetting to show up for the rest of the game). I put on my Jaguar shirt, sped across the river to Joe's house, grabbed the tickets and drove out to the Riverfront. My wife and daughter came with me and figured that since Alltel had about 10,000 empty seats this week, we could just trade the two tickets for three in the same seating section. When going to the ticket booth, I started explaining that our babysitter cancelled and we'd need to get three tickets (and would be happy to pay for the extra one), but the supervisor heard us and just gave an extra ticket to my daughter (she's 5, she's adorable, and people like to see her smile) and said that we could just sit together in the seats we had been assigned. What a stand-up organization! The game started out okay, but the Jaguar offense wasn't doing as well as the fans were hoping. The starting QB since season 1 here (Mark Brunell) was benched early in the season in favor of rookie Byron Leftwich, and Leftwich has been making his share of rookie mistakes...in fact, his rookie season has been a similar ordeal as the first year of Peyton Manning, who was capably leading the Colts today like a seasoned veteran. By the half, the Jags were down 20-7 and some of the fans were yelling "PUT BRUNELL IN YOU (I've left out the words that Melissa thought were so funny)!!!!!" As the second half opened, I began to notice that some of the fans had already left, but they missed a great game. The Jaguar defense clicked the way they should have all year, and Leftwich slowly began to quiet his critics in the stands. First downs started coming. The Colts made some moves toward the red zone but had to settle for one field goal by Mike Vanderjagt. Before you knew it, a Leftwich scramble and a long pass made it 23-21 Colts and I was just waiting for the implosion that happens every week with the Jags. With 2:16 left, the Jags went to kick a field goal, and the attempt was botched...I could hear the fans cursing the team, and several started for the exits. But in the final two minutes, the team made a complete turnaround. A Colt drive was stopped by a defense that had been flatulent all year. The Jags got the ball back at the 31, and a few plays later Fred Taylor ran a long way into the end zone. It was 28-21 Alltel erupted for the first time all season. The 12th man finally showed up in the stands as the defense went out with 1:04 left while the Colts had to get a TD to win. Manning was no stranger to the 2-minute drill, so the remaining fans were on their feet and encouraging the home team to shut the door. With 0:16 left, a Manning pass was intercepted, and the game was over. I'm not going to ridicule the Colts, because they played a flawless game. The Jaguars finally showed their home crowd that they could play 4 quarters. But more than that, I got to spend a great afternoon with my wife and young daughter, explaining why the penalties were thrown and the difference between a 1-point kick and a 3-point field goal. My daughter was standing up on her seat cheering the Jaguars, and happy to see them win when they weren't winning for most of the game. As an inquisitive 5 year-old, Melissa took Daddy to task about a lot of things: why did they leave the field at halftime? Why did the players start going in the other direction? Why do they kick the ball? What does "move the chains" mean? I don't think she understood many of my answers, but she clearly had fun in the seats. As the commercial I know this rambling had absolutely nothing to do with old baseball cards. Nor did I have anybody to thank because nothing showed up on Saturday. But I believe that there are some things that should be passed down from parent to child, and today I finally got to share my love of football with my daughter, and it was a great game. Sometime during the 3rd quarter, Melissa asked me, "Daddy, can you take me to see the Jacksonville Suns?" You couldn't have wiped the smile off of my face; my daughter wants me to take her to a baseball game, and I'll be happy to share that visit with my OBC friends when the spring comes around. (Final words I couldn't fit in elsewhere: a sign near where I work says something that makes me think of OBC..."True love is helping somebody who isn't able to return the favor.") Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 05:04:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Leave of absence.... From: "Suzanne Freegard-Schoenrock" I have written this post many times and each time I would justify my erasing it. But I find this time I can not do that. As some of you know I have been riddled with health problems for the last year or so. I have not been active in many months and I have receive cards throughout my inactivity. I have been greatly encouraged by the generosity of this group. I have even been one of those neglectful members by not following up with a thank you. There have been many days when I could not make it down the stairs, though not an excuse, I apologise for my lack of manners and please know that I really have appreciated all the cards that have come my way. So please accept my belated thank you! I have always been able to muddle through my day despite some of the pain I was in and am now doing better. One would think I would be ready to jump back into things...well once again I am writing this...I need to go inactive. My oldest son was just diagnosed with autism. He needs my undivided attention now since we are going to aggressivly seek treatment and therapy for him. So I must take a step back from my collecting and feel and have felt horrible for not being as active as I should have been. I have to say that you guys are a great group. When I Had a miscarriage, I received so much support. and When I needed surgery, I received more cards with notes of encouragement. Some of you may know that I chose to sell some of my cards to help with medical bills. I wanted to keep in accordance with the obc bylaws so I sold my 52's which was built by myself. Natuarally I went into a major depression because of this and few weeks after selling them I was sent a couple of 52's to start my set again...the spirit and unconditional respect there is among this group has made it an honor to be a part of. So with much diffaculty, I ask that you please place my name on the inactive list. Best Regards, ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:13:06 +0000 From: Glenn Well, it looks like its about to happen at last! After numerous threats over the past few years, it seems that Maureen and I are finally going to make it to the Vegas get together in 2004! Our flights are being booked today. We’re hitting Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and flying home on Wednesday, May 19th. The really good news is that my flight costs will be met by my work, as I’ll be spending 8 days working at the Department of Health in Salt Lake City prior to the big weekend. We’ll also be spending 2 weeks visiting my Dad in Phoenix before heading north to SLC, so it’s shaping up to be a pretty good trip! So, it seems that I’m going to have to work on the following: a) My golf game – especially defence. b) My excuses (Maureen tells me I’m good at these, so no problem there) c) My line jumping ability (to get to the ribs ahead of the “Industry Expert”) If I’ve missed anything out, I’m sure you vets won’t be long in letting me know!! See you in May!!!! Glasgow, Scotland ps Size 10. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:14:40 +0000 From: Glenn Well, it looks like its about to happen at last! After numerous threats over the past few years, it seems that Maureen and I are finally going to make it to the Vegas get together in 2004! Our flights are being booked today. We’re hitting Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and flying home on Wednesday, May 19th. The really good news is that my flight costs will be met by my work, as I’ll be spending 8 days working at the Department of Health in Salt Lake City prior to the big weekend. We’ll also be spending 2 weeks visiting my Dad in Phoenix before heading north to SLC, so it’s shaping up to be a pretty good trip! So, it seems that I’m going to have to work on the following: a) My golf game – especially defence. b) My excuses (Maureen tells me I’m good at these, so no problem there) c) My line jumping ability (to get to the ribs ahead of the “Industry Expert”) If I’ve missed anything out, I’m sure you vets won’t be long in letting me know!! See you in May!!!! Glasgow, Scotland ps Size 10. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:17:25 +0000 From: Glenn Well, it looks like its about to happen at last! After numerous threats over the past few years, it seems that Maureen and I are finally going to make it to the Vegas get together in 2004! Our flights are being booked today. We’re hitting Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and flying home on Wednesday, May 19th. The really good news is that my flight costs will be met by my work, as I’ll be spending 8 days working at the Department of Health in Salt Lake City prior to the big weekend. We’ll also be spending 2 weeks visiting my Dad in Phoenix before heading north to SLC, so it’s shaping up to be a pretty good trip! So, it seems that I’m going to have to work on the following: a) My golf game – especially defence. b) My excuses (Maureen tells me I’m good at these, so no problem there) c) My line jumping ability (to get to the ribs ahead of the “Industry Expert”) If I’ve missed anything out, I’m sure you vets won’t be long in letting me know!! See you in May!!!! Glasgow, Scotland ps Size 10. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:15:39 +0000 From: Glenn Well, it looks like its about to happen at last! After numerous threats over the past few years, it seems that Maureen and I are finally going to make it to the Vegas get together in 2004! Our flights are being booked today. We’re hitting Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and flying home on Wednesday, May 19th. The really good news is that my flight costs will be met by my work, as I’ll be spending 8 days working at the Department of Health in Salt Lake City prior to the big weekend. We’ll also be spending 2 weeks visiting my Dad in Phoenix before heading north to SLC, so it’s shaping up to be a pretty good trip! So, it seems that I’m going to have to work on the following: a) My golf game – especially defence. b) My excuses (Maureen tells me I’m good at these, so no problem there) c) My line jumping ability (to get to the ribs ahead of the “Industry Expert”) If I’ve missed anything out, I’m sure you vets won’t be long in letting me know!! See you in May!!!! Glasgow, Scotland ps Size 10. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:18:25 +0000 From: Glenn Well, it looks like its about to happen at last! After numerous threats over the past few years, it seems that Maureen and I are finally going to make it to the Vegas get together in 2004! Our flights are being booked today. We’re hitting Vegas on Thursday, May 13th, and flying home on Wednesday, May 19th. The really good news is that my flight costs will be met by my work, as I’ll be spending 8 days working at the Department of Health in Salt Lake City prior to the big weekend. We’ll also be spending 2 weeks visiting my Dad in Phoenix before heading north to SLC, so it’s shaping up to be a pretty good trip! So, it seems that I’m going to have to work on the following: a) My golf game – especially defence. b) My excuses (Maureen tells me I’m good at these, so no problem there) c) My line jumping ability (to get to the ribs ahead of the “Industry Expert”) If I’ve missed anything out, I’m sure you vets won’t be long in letting me know!! See you in May!!!! Glasgow, Scotland ps Size 10. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas '04!!!........and another thing..... Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:22:15 +0000 From: Glenn I also meant to ask if there were any plans/intentions to get preferential hotel rates for OBCers. If so, we'll hold off on booking for the time being. Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sorry about that...... Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:50:23 +0000 From: Glenn It seems that I was so excited about our trip to Vegas, that I sent the message telling you about it 3 times!!!! Sorry guys! (Seriously, I'm not sure why that happened. Oh well, the mysteries of the web never cease to astound and confise me) Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: Glenn ,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sorry about that...again...... Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:53:02 +0000 From: Glenn Make that FIVE times...and counting...and what the hell does "confise" mean? Glasgow, Scotland ============================================================ From: Glenn Date: 2003/11/10 Mon AM 11:50:23 GMT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sorry about that...... It seems that I was so excited about our trip to Vegas, that I sent the message telling you about it 3 times!!!! Sorry guys! (Seriously, I'm not sure why that happened. Oh well, the mysteries of the web never cease to astound and confise me) Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 07:02:45 -0500 (EST) To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com (Glenn) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sorry about that...again...... From: Originaleek@webtv.net Actually Glen, the word confise is a derivative of the words confuse and concise. It simply means that you are concisely confused as opposed to vaguely confused. At any rate, good news indeed. I too am looking at Vegas 04. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: 10 Nov 2003 13:55:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa ???? From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Has anyone sent out an announcement about OBC Santa this year?? Just ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa ???? To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com I HOPE WE DO IT...I ENJOYED IT LAST YEAN AND HOPE TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa -- coming soon! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 16:18:37 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" I am the official administrator of OBC Santa (the "official" part is largely Thanks, John, for the reminder. I'll send out an e-mail with the rules and a solicitation for participants this evening or tomorrow. But if you are REALLY, REALLY excited (like I am) about OBC Santa, you may just go ahead and e-mail me right now! If you're new and you don't know what OBC Santa is, wait for my e-mail in the next 24 hours or so. Thank you! Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com From: Celenox@aol.com To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa ???? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:12 EST MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.161 Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by mc1-f23.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:41:45 -0800 Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov 2003 14:41:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 43060 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 Received: from Celenox@aol.comby imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id k.62.372d0f32 (16781);Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jElhf0b0kojxwaM4pH5Na+Q X-Sender: Celenox@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <62.372d0f32.2ce0fd88@aol.com> X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 531 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2003 14:41:45.0875 (UTC) I HOPE WE DO IT...I ENJOYED IT LAST YEAN AND HOPE TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 11:11:48 -0600 To: Jeffrey Sackmann Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa -- coming soon! From: "Dr. John V Harrell" I'm in!! Thanks Jeff for taking it on this year!! Jeffrey Sackmann wrote: > OBCers: > I am the official administrator of OBC Santa (the "official" part is largely > self-appointed). > Thanks, John, for the reminder. I'll send out an e-mail with the rules and > a solicitation for participants this evening or tomorrow. > But if you are REALLY, REALLY excited (like I am) about OBC Santa, you may > just go ahead and e-mail me right now! If you're new and you don't know > what OBC Santa is, wait for my e-mail in the next 24 hours or so. > Thank you! > Jeff > -------------------- > Jeff Sackmann > http://www.jeffsackmann.com > http://www.misterwrite.com > From: Celenox@aol.com > To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Santa ???? > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:12 EST > MIME-Version: 1.0 > X-Originating-IP: 64.12.136.161 > Received: from n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.65]) by mc1-f23.hotmail.com > with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 06:41:45 -0800 > Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Nov > 2003 14:41:19 -0000 > Received: (qmail 43060 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 > Received: from unknown (66.218.66.166) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; > 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m06.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.161) by > mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 14:41:18 -0000 > Received: from Celenox@aol.comby imo-m06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id > k.62.372d0f32 (16781);Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:41:12 -0500 (EST) > X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jElhf0b0kojxwaM4pH5Na+Q > X-eGroups-Return: > sentto-3239392-7713-1068475279-jeff_sackmann=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > X-Sender: Celenox@aol.com > X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Message-ID: <62.372d0f32.2ce0fd88@aol.com> > X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 531 > Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact > OBC-Ramblings-owner@yahoogroups.com > Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Precedence: bulk > List-Unsubscribe: > Return-Path: > sentto-3239392-7713-1068475279-jeff_sackmann=hotmail.com@returns.groups.yahoo.com > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Nov 2003 14:41:45.0875 (UTC) > FILETIME=[C3D2DE30:01C3A798] > I HOPE WE DO IT...I ENJOYED IT LAST YEAN AND HOPE TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR > ROB > _________________________________________________________________ > Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account is over > limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:27:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Reference needed To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I've been emailed by a guy named Joe McIlvaine about a possible trade, and he's told me that he's traded with "several" OBC members. Any feedback on him? Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 10:00:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Pacific NW OBCers: Tacoma Dome show To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Hey guys, How many are planning the trip to Tacoma this weekend? I'm in Seattle this week and should have a car available to transport me there--want to make sure I don't miss anyone! Saturday is the target day for me... Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC SECRET SANTA: Official Notice #1! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:18:20 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Of all the annual OBC traditions admistered by me, this is by far the best! Most of you have probably taken part in a Secret Santa of some sort before--usually you throw your name in a hat with all of your co-workers or second cousins, twice removed, and then everybody draws. Whoever you pick, you give them a gift. OBC Santa is like that, only digital. Basic rules: 1. Keep it under control! As a general rule, don't spend much more than $5 ($5.62, adjusted for inflation). However, feel free to be creative--you don't have to limit yourself to your victim's wantlist. 2. Don't forget! Every year, one or two people lets this slip after being assigned a "victim." Usually the forgotten one doesn't take it too hard, but it's rough on everybody! Don't sign up if you don't plan of taking care of business. 3. Get it in the mail in time! Remember that not all OBCers are in the continental US, and mail takes longer to get to the more exotic destinations (like Madison, Wisconsin). Not only that, but mail is slower through the holidays. I recommend getting your package in the mail--regardless of destination--by Dec. 15. Earlier is better. 4. Clearly mark your package "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DEC. 25." This way your victim will know that your package is the Santa package. 5. This is obvious, but DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DEC. 25! :) 6. As soon as you open your package (and have quickly discharged other holiday obligations you may have), send an e-mail to the Thanks list letting us know what you got! 7. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE: 1. Throw your name in the hat. You do this by e-mailing me and saying "I'm in," or something to that effect. (NOTE: in the past, the santa administrator has required a four-digit number...I don't need one. If you want to give me one, you can, but I'll ignore it.) 2. Please respond by Thanksgiving! (If you respond later, I'll try to hook you up, but I can't make any guarantees.) This is crucial because many people will want to carefully peruse wantlists, go to shows, and generally canvas the ends of the earth looking for good stuff for you. (For $5.62 or 3. I will e-mail you and let you know who your victim is. I will try to let you know immediately after the Turkey day deadline, and sooner for some of you...basically, the sooner you let me know you're in, the sooner I can start assigning victims. I will remind you of this when I send the e-mail, but please confirm your victim to me e-mail. Last year a couple of people e-mailed me three or four times for their victim, after I had sent it over and over again, and that's annoying. Especially when it's happening in mid-December, when it should've been taken care of. THE END! Sorry for all the rules and lists and stuff, but I aim for clarity, and besides that, I really like bullet points! Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:30:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: Mantle auction To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net At least they're not auctioning off his frozen head.... http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/1110/1658427.html?partnersite=espn# ================= To: jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 17:06:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC SECRET SANTA: Official Notice #1! From: Bob Saxton Count me in Jeff! I haven't missed one yet. Bob Saxton On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:18:20 +0000 "Jeffrey Sackmann" writes: > OBCers, > Of all the annual OBC traditions admistered by me, this is by far > the best! > :) > Most of you have probably taken part in a Secret Santa of some sort > before--usually you throw your name in a hat with all of your > co-workers or > second cousins, twice removed, and then everybody draws. Whoever > you pick, > you give them a gift. > OBC Santa is like that, only digital. > Basic rules: > 1. Keep it under control! As a general rule, don't spend much more > than $5 > ($5.62, adjusted for inflation). However, feel free to be > creative--you > don't have to limit yourself to your victim's wantlist. > 2. Don't forget! Every year, one or two people lets this slip after > being > assigned a "victim." Usually the forgotten one doesn't take it too > hard, > but it's rough on everybody! Don't sign up if you don't plan of > taking care > of business. > 3. Get it in the mail in time! Remember that not all OBCers are in > the > continental US, and mail takes longer to get to the more exotic > destinations > (like Madison, Wisconsin). Not only that, but mail is slower > through the > holidays. I recommend getting your package in the mail--regardless > of > destination--by Dec. 15. Earlier is better. > 4. Clearly mark your package "DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DEC. 25." This way > your > victim will know that your package is the Santa package. > 5. This is obvious, but DO NOT OPEN UNTIL DEC. 25! :) > 6. As soon as you open your package (and have quickly discharged > other > holiday obligations you may have), send an e-mail to the Thanks list > letting > us know what you got! > 7. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. > IF YOU WANT TO PARTICIPATE: > 1. Throw your name in the hat. You do this by e-mailing me and > saying "I'm > in," or something to that effect. > (NOTE: in the past, the santa administrator has required a four-digit > number...I don't need one. If you want to give me one, you can, but > I'll > ignore it.) > 2. Please respond by Thanksgiving! (If you respond later, I'll try > to hook > you up, but I can't make any guarantees.) This is crucial because > many > people will want to carefully peruse wantlists, go to shows, and > generally > canvas the ends of the earth looking for good stuff for you. (For > $5.62 or > less!) > 3. I will e-mail you and let you know who your victim is. I will > try to let > you know immediately after the Turkey day deadline, and sooner for > some of > you...basically, the sooner you let me know you're in, the sooner I > can > start assigning victims. > I will remind you of this when I send the e-mail, but please confirm > your > victim to me e-mail. Last year a couple of people e-mailed me three > or four > times for their victim, after I had sent it over and over again, and > that's > annoying. Especially when it's happening in mid-December, when it > should've > been taken care of. > THE END! > Sorry for all the rules and lists and stuff, but I aim for clarity, > and > besides that, I really like bullet points! > Jeff > -------------------- > Jeff Sackmann > http://www.jeffsackmann.com > http://www.misterwrite.com > _________________________________________________________________ > Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. > https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://www.Writing.Com/authors/judgeguy The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:02:28 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reference needed To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com This is the guy who claims to be the Mets former general manager. I don't know if anyone has traded with him, but I generally don't deal with delusional people LOL... and BTW, he has the spelling all wrong ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reference needed Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:27:15 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" I've heard this rant of Sal's before...maybe somebody should actually check the spelling. I have dealt with Joe before...we had a conversation about his first professional baseball contract, discussed his current (as of a year or two ago) work with the twins...he even gave me free tickets to a twins spring training game...so if he is faking it, he is going all the way. Two thumbs up in my book. Although I do believe that 'Mets' and 'delusional' usually belong in the same sentence...in this case it doesn't (if you're referring to Joe at least ;) >From: ChicoD1@aol.com >To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reference needed >Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:02:28 EST >This is the guy who claims to be the Mets former general manager. I don't >know if anyone has traded with him, but I generally don't deal with >people LOL... and BTW, he has the spelling all wrong Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:43:26 -0500 (EST) To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Joe Mcilvaine From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: It is the Soldier Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:46:56 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- FOr those that haven't seen this before, it's a great poem. Have a great Veteran's Day! Take Care, Geno It is the Soldier It is the soldier, not the Reporter, Who has given us freedom of the press. It is the soldier, not the Poet, Who has given us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the Campus organizer, Who has given us the freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, not the Lawyer, Who has given us the right to a fair trial. It is the soldier who salutes the flag, Who serves under the flag, And whose coffins draped by the flag, Who allows the protester to burn the flag. Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:59:27 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: players who collect cards From: keithsummers@webtv.net Bell, George Carter, Gary Dawson, Andre Garagiola, Joe (T206s) Parker, Wes I remember the back of a card in the 70s mentioning "COLLECTS BASEBALL CARDS" but can't remember who. Buddy Bell? I remember reading about Dawson paying like $150 for a FINEST card of himself in the 90s (probably in Buckett). The other 4 I just read about recently in the ScoreBoard Baseball Card book. Can any of you add to the list? I bet there are 1000s that have a stack of cards of themselves so I'm talking real collectors. I just remembered Frank Thomas (the original one) so that makes 6. What about Gretzky? ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:07:07 -0500 From: "Brian Dwyer" I think Tom Candiotti maintains a large and highly valuable personal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards > Bell, George > Carter, Gary > Dawson, Andre > Garagiola, Joe (T206s) > Parker, Wes > I remember the back of a card in the 70s mentioning "COLLECTS BASEBALL > CARDS" but can't remember who. Buddy Bell? I remember reading about > Dawson paying like $150 for a FINEST card of himself in the 90s > (probably in Buckett). The other 4 I just read about recently in the > ScoreBoard Baseball Card book. Can any of you add to the list? I bet > there are 1000s that have a stack of cards of themselves so I'm talking > real collectors. I just remembered Frank Thomas (the original one) so > that makes 6. What about Gretzky? > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:23:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: stair basball anyone? From: Jerry Coker I just picked up "The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book" at our local library. I haven't read much of it yet, but I know many OBC'ers have recommended it as a good read. Anyway, after reading the first chapter it reminded me of a game I used to play in S.F. as a kid. Stair baseball. In my case it often involved the use of baseball cards. Particularly on lonely days when there was no one else around to play ball with :) I'm sure many of you have played stair baseball in it's many iterations. Here's how I played it as a solitaire game in S.F. in the 60's/70's. Equipment needed: Preferably brick/mortar stairs with at least three steps for optimal variability of ball tajectory (sp?), one tennis ball, one baseball mitt, and some baseball cards. Ok...first I would pick two teams of baseball cards, and of course I always picked my beloved Giants as the home team :) Then I would choose my nine players and batting order. The visiting team cards would go in the left back pocket of the blue jeans that I was always wearing (you know...the ones that your Mom would iron on the patched knee pads so that she didn't have to buy another new pair of blue jeans for at least a couple more months ;), and the Giants cards would go in my right back pocket. I'd pull the leadoff hitter from my back pocket, make a mental note of his name then start the game. I'd go into my southpaw pitching motion and throw (pitch) the ball as hard and as accuarate as I could at the stairs. Right before I threw the ball I would decide which stair to try to hit the ball with. The goal was always to hit the *edge* of the stair I was aiming at so that the tennis ball would fly upwards (for pop-ups, fly balls, and line drives depending on which of the three stairs the ball hit). If I hit the edge of the bottom stair the ball would come off like a high pop-up. If I hit the edge of the middle stair, the ball would come off like a long fly ball (this was the most desirable stair edge to hit, and you'll see why in a minute ;). If I hit the edge of the top stair (we only had three stairs :) the ball would come off like a line drive. Actually, it's probably important to note here that the majority of my pitches missed the edge of the stairs and would hit *below* the edge causing a lot of ground balls. But...that was ok because I was honing (sp?) my pitching *and* ground ball stopping (defensive) skills :) Back to the game...so...lets say the Giants are up to bat. I'd pull out the next baseball card in the batting order from my back pocket. Lets say it was my Bobby Bonds card (lead-off hitter with power). I'd stick the card back in my pocket, then I'd make a mental note that if I threw the ball at the middle stair (edge) the ball would be a long fly-ball (possible homerun). I knew Bobby hit many lead-off homers, so I'd take aim for that middle stair. If I was lucky, I'd hit the edge of the middle stair, the ball would fly over my head. I'd go back to try to catch the ball. Behind me was the street. Our Volkswagon Beetle would be right behind me parked on the curb. The VW served as the outfield wall. The sidewalk was the warning track. If the ball went over my head (and the VW) into the street, it was a homerun. Sometimes I would make great jumping catches bouncing up and off the VW to rob players of HR's. The next Willie Mays ;) Other times I just couldn't reach the ball, and it would drop into the street for a homerun. And actually, that was cool because it mean't I not only hit the part of the stair I wanted too, but I also had enough velocity to make the ball travel over my head *and* the VW. HR's are always fun :) Important note: about 9 out of 10 pitches ended up as ground balls that I would scoop up and throw again as fast as I could to first base. The throw to first base mean't throwing the ball quickly at a section of the wall of our house just above and to the left of the stairs. Thus, when the ball bounced off the house for the return throw to first base, I would have my right foot planted on a section of sidewalk the size of a base. I would then stretch to catch the ball coming off the wall and make the out call (as long as I didn't muff the throw/catch). BTW...we had a stucco (sp?) house, great for throwing tennis balls at. I still remember the dark spots the tennis ball made on the front of the house. Especially on those cool/damp/foggy days when the ball was almost wringing wet. My Mom used to love the polka dot ball marks I made on the front of our house :) Also, it's interesting to note that in my short and storied baseball career (Cub Scouts -> High School) I played mostly centerfield, first base, and pitcher. All because of the many hours I spent playing stair baseball :) So...thusly was the game of stair baseball. I particularly remember playing this type of stair baseball in 1971 because all my Giants cards that year had creases from spending so much time in my back pockets. And most of my other 71's survived in pretty good shape :) Hope that wasn't too boring a ramble. Does anyone else remember playing stair baseball as a kid? We used to play it many different ways, like with two or more people. I can write another ramble about that another day :) Jerry Coker ================= To: "o b" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] stair basball anyone? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:27:38 -0500 From: "jeff sinclair" I remember playing versions of "stair" baseball in my youth. I was ALWAYS Clemente! My son Adam plays today, we have three steps, and a dented screen door! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Coker Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:16 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] stair basball anyone? I just picked up "The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book" at our local library. I haven't read much of it yet, but I know many OBC'ers have recommended it as a good read. Anyway, after reading the first chapter it reminded me of a game I used to play in S.F. as a kid. Stair baseball. In my case it often involved the use of baseball cards. Particularly on lonely days when there was no one else around to play ball with :) I'm sure many of you have played stair baseball in it's many iterations. Here's how I played it as a solitaire game in S.F. in the 60's/70's. Equipment needed: Preferably brick/mortar stairs with at least three steps for optimal variability of ball tajectory (sp?), one tennis ball, one baseball mitt, and some baseball cards. Ok...first I would pick two teams of baseball cards, and of course I always picked my beloved Giants as the home team :) Then I would choose my nine players and batting order. The visiting team cards would go in the left back pocket of the blue jeans that I was always wearing (you know...the ones that your Mom would iron on the patched knee pads so that she didn't have to buy another new pair of blue jeans for at least a couple more months ;), and the Giants cards would go in my right back pocket. I'd pull the leadoff hitter from my back pocket, make a mental note of his name then start the game. I'd go into my southpaw pitching motion and throw (pitch) the ball as hard and as accuarate as I could at the stairs. Right before I threw the ball I would decide which stair to try to hit the ball with. The goal was always to hit the *edge* of the stair I was aiming at so that the tennis ball would fly upwards (for pop-ups, fly balls, and line drives depending on which of the three stairs the ball hit). If I hit the edge of the bottom stair the ball would come off like a high pop-up. If I hit the edge of the middle stair, the ball would come off like a long fly ball (this was the most desirable stair edge to hit, and you'll see why in a minute ;). If I hit the edge of the top stair (we only had three stairs :) the ball would come off like a line drive. Actually, it's probably important to note here that the majority of my pitches missed the edge of the stairs and would hit *below* the edge causing a lot of ground balls. But...that was ok because I was honing (sp?) my pitching *and* ground ball stopping (defensive) skills :) Back to the game...so...lets say the Giants are up to bat. I'd pull out the next baseball card in the batting order from my back pocket. Lets say it was my Bobby Bonds card (lead-off hitter with power). I'd stick the card back in my pocket, then I'd make a mental note that if I threw the ball at the middle stair (edge) the ball would be a long fly-ball (possible homerun). I knew Bobby hit many lead-off homers, so I'd take aim for that middle stair. If I was lucky, I'd hit the edge of the middle stair, the ball would fly over my head. I'd go back to try to catch the ball. Behind me was the street. Our Volkswagon Beetle would be right behind me parked on the curb. The VW served as the outfield wall. The sidewalk was the warning track. If the ball went over my head (and the VW) into the street, it was a homerun. Sometimes I would make great jumping catches bouncing up and off the VW to rob players of HR's. The next Willie Mays ;) Other times I just couldn't reach the ball, and it would drop into the street for a homerun. And actually, that was cool because it mean't I not only hit the part of the stair I wanted too, but I also had enough velocity to make the ball travel over my head *and* the VW. HR's are always fun :) Important note: about 9 out of 10 pitches ended up as ground balls that I would scoop up and throw again as fast as I could to first base. The throw to first base mean't throwing the ball quickly at a section of the wall of our house just above and to the left of the stairs. Thus, when the ball bounced off the house for the return throw to first base, I would have my right foot planted on a section of sidewalk the size of a base. I would then stretch to catch the ball coming off the wall and make the out call (as long as I didn't muff the throw/catch). BTW...we had a stucco (sp?) house, great for throwing tennis balls at. I still remember the dark spots the tennis ball made on the front of the house. Especially on those cool/damp/foggy days when the ball was almost wringing wet. My Mom used to love the polka dot ball marks I made on the front of our house :) Also, it's interesting to note that in my short and storied baseball career (Cub Scouts -> High School) I played mostly centerfield, first base, and pitcher. All because of the many hours I spent playing stair baseball :) So...thusly was the game of stair baseball. I particularly remember playing this type of stair baseball in 1971 because all my Giants cards that year had creases from spending so much time in my back pockets. And most of my other 71's survived in pretty good shape :) Hope that wasn't too boring a ramble. Does anyone else remember playing stair baseball as a kid? We used to play it many different ways, like with two or more people. I can write another ramble about that another day :) Jerry Coker Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Jerry Coker" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] stair basball anyone? Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:31:02 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Jerry -- My brother and I played a game with our cards using a Lego. We would set our cards up in our "stadium," which was the entire bedroom. The players would play their positions and one of us would sit behind the pitcher card. The other guy sat in the batter's box and held his card, ready to swing. The pitcher pitched the ball, which was the smallest Lego we had - one of those ones with only one bump on it. The batter then swung at it by snapping his wrist. You were not allowed to lift your wrist from the ground, so you could only hit it so far. We had some way of determining the result based on how far the Lego landed from one of the fielders, but I can't remember what exactly we used, maybe a ruler or something. One thing I do remember is that we would pull our dresser drawers out across the room and put Charlie's Angels, Kiss, and Star Wars cards in on the edges of them to look like the upper and lower decks! Most of my 1974-1976 cards have dents in them from banging those Legos... Take Care, Geno > [Original Message] > From: Jerry Coker > To: > Date: 11/10/2003 8:14:45 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] stair basball anyone? > I just picked up "The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and > Bubble Gum Book" at our local library. I haven't read much of it yet, > but I know many OBC'ers have recommended it as a good read. Anyway, > after reading the first chapter it reminded me of a game I used to play > in S.F. as a kid. Stair baseball. In my case it often involved the use > of baseball cards. Particularly on lonely days when there was no one > else around to play ball with :) > I'm sure many of you have played stair baseball in it's many iterations. > Here's how I played it as a solitaire game in S.F. in the 60's/70's. > Equipment needed: > Preferably brick/mortar stairs with at least three steps for optimal > variability of ball tajectory (sp?), one tennis ball, one baseball mitt, > and some baseball cards. > Ok...first I would pick two teams of baseball cards, and of course I > always picked my beloved Giants as the home team :) Then I would choose > my nine players and batting order. The visiting team cards would go in > the left back pocket of the blue jeans that I was always wearing (you > know...the ones that your Mom would iron on the patched knee pads so > that she didn't have to buy another new pair of blue jeans for at least > a couple more months ;), and the Giants cards would go in my right back > pocket. I'd pull the leadoff hitter from my back pocket, make a mental > note of his name then start the game. I'd go into my southpaw pitching > motion and throw (pitch) the ball as hard and as accuarate as I could at > the stairs. Right before I threw the ball I would decide which stair to > try to hit the ball with. The goal was always to hit the *edge* of the > stair I was aiming at so that the tennis ball would fly upwards (for > pop-ups, fly balls, and line drives depending on which of the three > stairs the ball hit). If I hit the edge of the bottom stair the ball > would come off like a high pop-up. If I hit the edge of the middle > stair, the ball would come off like a long fly ball (this was the most > desirable stair edge to hit, and you'll see why in a minute ;). If I > hit the edge of the top stair (we only had three stairs :) the ball > would come off like a line drive. Actually, it's probably important to > note here that the majority of my pitches missed the edge of the stairs > and would hit *below* the edge causing a lot of ground balls. > But...that was ok because I was honing (sp?) my pitching *and* ground > ball stopping (defensive) skills :) Back to the game...so...lets say > the Giants are up to bat. I'd pull out the next baseball card in the > batting order from my back pocket. Lets say it was my Bobby Bonds card > (lead-off hitter with power). I'd stick the card back in my pocket, > then I'd make a mental note that if I threw the ball at the middle stair > (edge) the ball would be a long fly-ball (possible homerun). I knew > Bobby hit many lead-off homers, so I'd take aim for that middle stair. > If I was lucky, I'd hit the edge of the middle stair, the ball would fly > over my head. I'd go back to try to catch the ball. Behind me was the > street. Our Volkswagon Beetle would be right behind me parked on the > curb. The VW served as the outfield wall. The sidewalk was the warning > track. If the ball went over my head (and the VW) into the street, it > was a homerun. Sometimes I would make great jumping catches bouncing up > and off the VW to rob players of HR's. The next Willie Mays ;) Other > times I just couldn't reach the ball, and it would drop into the street > for a homerun. And actually, that was cool because it mean't I not only > hit the part of the stair I wanted too, but I also had enough velocity > to make the ball travel over my head *and* the VW. HR's are always > fun :) Important note: about 9 out of 10 pitches ended up as ground > balls that I would scoop up and throw again as fast as I could to first > base. The throw to first base mean't throwing the ball quickly at a > section of the wall of our house just above and to the left of the > stairs. Thus, when the ball bounced off the house for the return throw > to first base, I would have my right foot planted on a section of > sidewalk the size of a base. I would then stretch to catch the ball > coming off the wall and make the out call (as long as I didn't muff the > throw/catch). BTW...we had a stucco (sp?) house, great for throwing > tennis balls at. I still remember the dark spots the tennis ball made > on the front of the house. Especially on those cool/damp/foggy days > when the ball was almost wringing wet. My Mom used to love the polka > dot ball marks I made on the front of our house :) Also, it's > interesting to note that in my short and storied baseball career (Cub > Scouts -> High School) I played mostly centerfield, first base, and > pitcher. All because of the many hours I spent playing stair > baseball :) So...thusly was the game of stair baseball. I particularly > remember playing this type of stair baseball in 1971 because all my > Giants cards that year had creases from spending so much time in my back > pockets. And most of my other 71's survived in pretty good shape :) > Hope that wasn't too boring a ramble. Does anyone else remember playing > stair baseball as a kid? We used to play it many different ways, like > with two or more people. I can write another ramble about that another > day :) > Cheers! > -- > Jerry Coker > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Cribbage, Baby! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 21:08:04 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Well Guys and Gals: I have finally gotten around to doing something about my second love, afterbaseball and baseball cardboard (recreational pursuits) and it is cribbage. I want to invite EVERY SINGLE OBCer I know, to come to Whidbey Island, the weekend of January 16, 17, and 18th (Martin Luther King holiday weekend)for the first ever - - - Island Coffee Cribbage Tournament. I have rented a barn, with heat, tables, chairs, and the tournament will have cash prizes, door prizes, and all the coffee you can possibly suck down.My co-sponsor is cribbageboard.com, a national cribbage board-making company that is right here on Whidbey Island (http://cribbageboard.com) Grant has already PROMISED ME that he will come for the weekend and claims to be an ***-kick cribbage player...we'll see - - - first, if he shows up and second, if he even knows how to peg....(Yes, Al, you are invited as well.. Todd Knowles, time to use your "miles" from the FAA and pay us a visit. Brian Lindholme, I need your Jethro Tull tapes and CDs for a really good time. Dave Fallen, need your statistical analysis skills to keep everyone in line...) I am not trying to take away from the Vegas hoopla for this coming May, butI am definitely hoping that a few of you can fly in, rent a car, and stay at a Bed and Breakfast here on wonderful Whidbey during the chilly month ofJanuary. (It's not THAT cold here, really...) Even if you don't play cribbage, there will be some serious trash-talking going on - especially if St. Al and Constable Rainsley end up in the same room (not kidding about this....). I have entry forms ($10) that I will gladly mail out, and I can advise about Bed and Breakfast places and so forth. 15-2, 15-4, 15-6, is that a 29 hand?!?! Oh, and vintage cardboard will be available, as well.... Island Coffee Guy Diowecribbage-a-monti ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Baby! Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:37:12 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Hey Mike - if you have rented a barn, what do we need a B&B for? You thinkwe all city boys that never slept in a barn before? -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Diamanti To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Baby! Well Guys and Gals: I have finally gotten around to doing something about my second love, after baseball and baseball cardboard (recreational pursuits) and it is cribbage. I want to invite EVERY SINGLE OBCer I know, to come to Whidbey Island,the weekend of January 16, 17, and 18th (Martin Luther King holiday weekend) for the first ever - - - Island Coffee Cribbage Tournament. I have rented a barn, with heat, tables, chairs, and the tournament will have cash prizes, door prizes, and all the coffee you can possibly suck down. My co-sponsor is cribbageboard.com, a national cribbage board-making company that is right here on Whidbey Island (http://cribbageboard.com) Grant has already PROMISED ME that he will come for the weekend and claims to be an ***-kick cribbage player...we'll see - - - first, if he shows up and second, if he even knows how to peg....(Yes, Al, you are invited as well.. Todd Knowles, time to use your "miles" from the FAA and pay us a visit. Brian Lindholme, I need your Jethro Tull tapes and CDs for a really good time. Dave Fallen, need your statistical analysis skills to keep everyone in line...) I am not trying to take away from the Vegas hoopla for this coming May, but I am definitely hoping that a few of you can fly in, rent a car, and stay at a Bed and Breakfast here on wonderful Whidbey during the chilly month of January. (It's not THAT cold here, really...) Even if you don't play cribbage, there will be some serious trash-talking going on - especially if St. Al and Constable Rainsley end up in the same room (not kidding about this....). I have entry forms ($10) that I will gladly mail out, and I can advise about Bed and Breakfast places and so forth. 15-2, 15-4, 15-6, is that a 29 hand?!?! Oh, and vintage cardboard will be available, as well.... Island Coffee Guy Diowecribbage-a-monti Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:00:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia contest From: keithsummers@webtv.net I have an OBC keychain & a mint cond OBC hat for the winner! Get the most right by Noon Thursday & you win. Get all 28 & get a bonus: a baseball & an index card autographed by Jim Nash! Most (at least 20) are MLB but a few NHL-NFL & NBA are here. #1-Name the shortest player in MLB history. #2-Nickname was "NO NECK". #3-In card trading groups, OYW stands for what? #4-Nicknamed "ROADRUNNER". #5-When Barney was telling Opey not to put his thumb behind the football, Opey said something like "?????? ?????? throws it like that!". #6-Which A's player named his dog Catfish? #7-Hit a GRAND SLAM in his 1st & last AB in MLB! #8-This player's career HR total is the same as the name of an American muscle car. Hint: It is not a Fairlane 500! #9-This owner once had his team take the field in "mining helmets" to protest the poor lighting! #10-This former late 80s Pirate had no speed, pretty good power & one of the 4 best arms Bob Watson says he has EVER seen in RF. (see #23) #11-Nicknamed "DOWNTOWN". #12-This Dodger at one point in the season, had started more fights (3) than games (2) according to an article in the Atlanta Journal years ago. #13-This pitcher claims to have thrown a no hitter while high on LSD in the 70s! #14-These 2 guys basically switched wives during their career! #15-Name the major pro sports team that came from being 3 games down in the playoffs to win 4 straight!? Hint: They "almost" did it twice as the very next year (I think) they came back from 3-0 to make it 3-3, only to lose game 7! (keep quiet Sal) #16-What nickname for this player did I pick? Vince "F??????????" #17-This white guy stole over 100 bases one year in the minors! Hint: This is not a trick question. #18-Name the guy that unbelievably was on Topps rookie cards 4 or 5 different years! #19-Nicknamed the "HUMAN VICTORY CIGAR". #20-This guy is probably THE fastest player ever to play on a MLB team. Hint: Spartans. (Apologies to Deion Sanders) #21-Nicknamed "THE PENGUIN". #22-This player had a 60s version card of Billy Ripkens infamous 89 Fleer "FF". #23-This player was #23 often & is 1 of the 4 RFs mentioned by Watson (see #10) #24-Former Braves announcer who was released supposedly in part for remarks about Henry Aaron not hustling. Hint: Holy Toledo! #25-This guy pitched 3 doubleheaders in one month & won all 6 games! #26-This guy (1974) was the 1st to get caught stealing twice in 1 #27-This guy had 701 ABs his rookie year! #28-This guy struck out 11 straight times in 1984! Hint: NOT Rick Camp or Rob Deer! ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 06:56:48 -0500 (EST) To: illini90@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is the Soldier From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Geno Wagner" Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 19:46:56 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] It is the Soldier ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:14:26 +0800 To: Diamanti Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Baby! From: Lynn Miller As the saying goes "It's like riding a bicycle, once you learn you never forget". Wow, does this harken back to my old swabbie days passing hours on submarine patrol between watches. Pinochle and cribbage games were played round-the-clock on the mess decks between the chow breaks and movie call. I was a more than willing participant. I still have a few retired buddies here and we get together every once in awhile for a few games. I'll definitely be there in spirit. Wish it could be in person. I'd love to try to give Grant a run for his money :-) Lynn Diamanti wrote: > Well Guys and Gals: > I have finally gotten around to doing something about my second love, > after baseball and baseball cardboard (recreational pursuits) and it > is cribbage. I want to invite EVERY SINGLE OBCer I know, to come to > Whidbey Island, the weekend of January 16, 17, and 18th (Martin Luther > King holiday weekend) for the first ever - - - Island Coffee Cribbage > Tournament. > I have rented a barn, with heat, tables, chairs, and the tournament > will have cash prizes, door prizes, and all the coffee you can > possibly suck down. My co-sponsor is cribbageboard.com, a national > cribbage board-making company that is right here on Whidbey Island > (http://cribbageboard.com) Grant has already PROMISED ME that he will > come for the weekend and claims to be an ***-kick cribbage > player...we'll see - - - first, if he shows up and second, if he even > knows how to peg....(Yes, Al, you are invited as well.. Todd Knowles, > time to use your "miles" from the FAA and pay us a visit. Brian > Lindholme, I need your Jethro Tull tapes and CDs for a really good > time. Dave Fallen, need your statistical analysis skills to keep > everyone in line...) > I am not trying to take away from the Vegas hoopla for this coming > May, but I am definitely hoping that a few of you can fly in, rent a > car, and stay at a Bed and Breakfast here on wonderful Whidbey during > the chilly month of January. (It's not THAT cold here, really...) Even > if you don't play cribbage, there will be some serious trash-talking > going on - especially if St. Al and Constable Rainsley end up in the > same room (not kidding about this....). > I have entry forms ($10) that I will gladly mail out, and I can advise > about Bed and Breakfast places and so forth. 15-2, 15-4, 15-6, is that > a 29 hand?!?! Oh, and vintage cardboard will be available, as well.... > Island Coffee Guy = Diowecribbage-a-monti > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service > . ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:21:24 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] stair basball anyone? To: jcoker@uga.edu, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com In Brooklyn, we used to call that "stoop" ball (The steps were called a stoop). I'm sure some of the NY contingent can vouch for that! Nothing like hitting the edge just right and watching the ball sail across the street for the HR! ================= To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:46:08 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" My main man, Andre Dawson, is known to collect some of the premium cards of himself. He also maintained a really serious coin collection for a while--occasionally you will see a coin on eBay in a professional holder (like PSA, only for coins) with an "Andre Dawson collection" notation. Also, Joe Nossek collects cards. He is putting together (he may have finished it by now) a top-of-the-line 53 Topps set, and told me he collects some of the players he remembers fondly from his days in the majors. Joe is now bench coach (for now, anyway!) of the White Sox, and after I sold him a bunch of cards a couple of years ago, hooked me up with some Sox tix about the time of the National in Chicago. Moral of the story: card collectors = good people! (even, every once in a while, true of collectors who only collect high grade! :) ) Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com From: "Brian Dwyer" To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 23:07:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: 209.228.32.167 Received: from n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.79]) by mc11-f5.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:08:46 -0800 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n23.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Nov 2003 04:07:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 88104 invoked from network); 11 Nov 2003 04:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Nov 2003 04:07:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO c002.snv.cp.net) (209.228.32.167) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Nov 2003 04:07:04 -0000 Received: (cpmta 24029 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2003 20:07:02 -0800 Received: from 165.247.28.158 (HELO briandur36pnau) by smtp.peoplepc.com (209.228.32.167) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2003 20:07:02 -0800 X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jHlcHNYPxLW5eKKOP7z3lJn X-Sender: toppsrun368@peoplepc.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com X-Sent: 11 Nov 2003 04:07:02 GMT Message-ID: <000a01c3a809$474b11e0$9e1cf7a5@briandur36pnau> References: <27036-3FB05E9F-3546@storefull-2312.public.lawson.webtv.net> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Nov 2003 04:08:46.0426 (UTC) I think Tom Candiotti maintains a large and highly valuable personal ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 10:59 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards > Bell, George > Carter, Gary > Dawson, Andre > Garagiola, Joe (T206s) > Parker, Wes > I remember the back of a card in the 70s mentioning "COLLECTS BASEBALL > CARDS" but can't remember who. Buddy Bell? I remember reading about > Dawson paying like $150 for a FINEST card of himself in the 90s > (probably in Buckett). The other 4 I just read about recently in the > ScoreBoard Baseball Card book. Can any of you add to the list? I bet > there are 1000s that have a stack of cards of themselves so I'm talking > real collectors. I just remembered Frank Thomas (the original one) so > that makes 6. What about Gretzky? > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:34:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] players who collect cards To: jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Let's not forget Keith Oberman of MSNBC and ESPN. He has quite the collection of cards... ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:36:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Calling the Bullpen again... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I just got this email through my website. I can't answer the question because my T205 collection consists of 5 cards, and the one he's asking about isn't one of them. "I am putting together a T205 set and came across something and was wandering if you could answer a question. I just purchased a Wilhelm of Brooklyn and was reading the back and found that near the bottom of the card the word suffered is missing the r, do you know if this is an uncorrected error or is it just an undiscovered variation. Do you deal or trade in these cards as well." Well, I can answer that last question fairly easily, but before I tell him that somebody didn't proofread the back during the typesetting process, I was wondering if any of you who have the card have a different spelling. Let me know. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 19:34:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Veteran's Day Thanks To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet It's Veteran's Day, and I wanted to thank all those OBCers who have served -- or, are still serving -- to help keep these United States a great nation. Once again, I'd like to pass along one of my own articles about when baseball players have felt the need to serve. This time, I'll just link to my website: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/archive18 Take care, U.S. Army -- Gulf War I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:43:58 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia update From: keithsummers@webtv.net 13-Stufflestreet (13/28=1st place so far!) 10-Wattingy (1st to enter contest) 06-Kit O. (got 2 half right=a full point) 05-McGowan (blazing start but faded) I guess I made them too tough but I thought for sure someone would get 20+. There's at least 2 people I have yet to hear from & I expect 1 of them to win :-) Deadline is NOON Thursday EDT. I guess since I'm not going to reveal which ones they got right, anyone can change their answers at anytime before the deadline. But you may change one you had right & your score will go down. There is one question that has at "least" 2 correct answers that I'll accept. There is at LEAST 8 questions that none of the 4 entries have right! ================= Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 21:46:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Weekly chuckle To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2764663399&category=642 Imagine the up arrows in Buckett! The best part about the listing, given its price, is the high quality scan. But why bother? It's 51 YEARS OLD! Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 02:08:02 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: correction for trivia question #7 From: keithsummers@webtv.net Should say: "This guy's 1st & last MLB HRs were Grand Slams!". HINT: Almost won a triple crown at AAA. Retired in mid 80s at 38. Well built physical education expert. Hits left handed. I THINK he has 2 World Series rings for 2 diff teams. ----------------------------------------------------- I originally typed "Hit a grand slam in his 1st & last AB in MLB!". ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekly chuckle Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 00:26:50 -0800 From: "Big Al" No way, not for $3 postage for one card Big Al in Seattle ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Weekly chuckle > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2764663399&category=642 > Imagine the up arrows in Buckett! The best part about the listing, given its price, is the high > quality scan. But why bother? It's 51 YEARS OLD! > -- > Spike > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 01:51:48 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cribbage, Pinochle, etc. From: digdugdig@webtv.net Ah cribbage!!! May be the best card game for 2 people but Lynn hit me heart by mentioning my "first love" ... pinochle, but gotta be double First learned during my 2 year "stint" in Bad Aibling, Germany and rarely played since, and sorely missed!! Our CO would get it started by coming out of his office, slap his hands and say "Let's get the cards out"...heck...I used to go in on my days off to see if I could get in on a game!! I'll never forget the time we played for, litteraly (sic) 24 hours straight!! All day at "work" and then it was suggested that we "pick it up" at the club. Penny a point and Lt. Joe and meself were giving a lesson to my CO, Ron Williams and Shaw (don't recall his first name...everyone called him...Shaw!!). Well, we closed the club and Ron said..."My house" and before we knew it...his wife came through the living room asking if we wanted Penny a point...after 24 hours...Lt. Joe and meself made a little Not important now...the memories that the "Coffee Guy" resurfaced with his last e-mail...that's 'nuff right there!! Along with all this "stair baseball"...did anyone NOT do this!! Just don't try it with a "superball"...ya get your butt kicked!! PS...anyone actually use the backside of the old dartboards?? I made my own on a big piece of sheetrock...defense oriented...pitcher. If the pitcher was a lefty...I threw lefthanded...that's how I learned...and if I remember...it's been awhile...but I think I threw a no-hitter as "Ray Culp". Wow...this has been a great example for myself, and an understanding on what OBC is...Mikey D. and Lynn Miller...and Keith Summers' trivia (although I did not reply...don't wanna look TOO stupid). You guy's have revived some of the GOOD times in me life that I will never forget... Stickball anyone??? Mucho, mucho thanks OBC... 'nuff said...Doug ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:15:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: stair basball anyone? From: Jerry Coker > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 12:21:24 EST > From: ChicoD1@aol.com > Subject: Re: stair basball anyone? > Jerry, > In Brooklyn, we used to call that "stoop" ball (The steps were called a > stoop). I'm sure some of the NY contingent can vouch for that! Nothing like > hitting the edge just right and watching the ball sail across the street for the HR! Ahhh..."stoop ball". Actually...I seem to remember a couple of guys in my neighborhood that referred to stair baseball as stoop ball. They were probably in Frisco as NE transplants like I was a Hoosier transplant :) Jerry Coker ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:19 +0800 To: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Pinochle, etc. From: Lynn Miller Actually that's my first love also. And the game of choice for me and the local gang of military retirees here in this little part of the Philippines we call home. We play double-deck partners (no 9's) for a peso a point, 100 pesos a game and 20 pesos a set. Use roughly 50 pesos to the $ and you see the stakes aren't real big. Unless of course you got "caught in the hole" and have to pay double. Now you're messing with the liberty money and that gets real serious. We've been known to have our share of marathons also. And when there aren't enough for partners, we play double-deck cut-throat. Now that gets real interesting. Mostly to have some good camaraderie and pass the time doing something we really enjoy. Hey, isn't that just like OBC!! Stoop ball was played in my neighborhood in Wilmington Delaware when I was a minnow. How long ago was that :-P But the fond memories still linger. And Doug, you couldn't be more on the mark my friend. These are the types of messages we all enjoy in OBC. And if I'm ever in your neck of the woods, we just got to play a game or two or all three of them :-) Take care, Lynn digdugdig@webtv.net wrote: >Ah cribbage!!! May be the best card game for 2 people but Lynn hit me >heart by mentioning my "first love" ... pinochle, but gotta be double >First learned during my 2 year "stint" in Bad Aibling, Germany and >rarely played since, and sorely missed!! >Our CO would get it started by coming out of his office, slap his hands >and say "Let's get the cards out"...heck...I used to go in on my days >off to see if I could get in on a game!! >I'll never forget the time we played for, litteraly (sic) 24 hours >straight!! All day at "work" and then it was suggested that we "pick it >up" at the club. Penny a point and Lt. Joe and meself were giving a >lesson to my CO, Ron Williams and Shaw (don't recall his first >name...everyone called him...Shaw!!). >Well, we closed the club and Ron said..."My house" and before we knew >it...his wife came through the living room asking if we wanted >Penny a point...after 24 hours...Lt. Joe and meself made a little >Not important now...the memories that the "Coffee Guy" resurfaced with >his last e-mail...that's 'nuff right there!! >Along with all this "stair baseball"...did anyone NOT do this!! Just >don't try it with a "superball"...ya get your butt kicked!! >PS...anyone actually use the backside of the old dartboards?? >I made my own on a big piece of sheetrock...defense oriented...pitcher. >If the pitcher was a lefty...I threw lefthanded...that's how I >learned...and if I remember...it's been awhile...but I think I threw a >no-hitter as "Ray Culp". >Wow...this has been a great example for myself, and an understanding on >what OBC is...Mikey D. and Lynn Miller...and Keith Summers' trivia >(although I did not reply...don't wanna look TOO stupid). >You guy's have revived some of the GOOD times in me life that I will >never forget... >Stickball anyone??? >Mucho, mucho thanks OBC... >'nuff said...Doug ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:51:58 EST Subject: Sun Times Show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com just found out the Chicago Sun Times Show (a terrific one) will be November 21-23 at the Rosemont Convention Center (right by O'Hare). if anyone is interested in hooking up, plmk. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:24:01 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: stair basball anyone? To: jcoker@uga.edu, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com It was a stoop in chicago too. - Doug ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 08:43:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Pinochle, etc. To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Gotta jump in on this one. My dad schooled me on cribbage and chess when I was a wee scrub, keeping a chart with wins and losses for each throughout the summer. I did well enough at cribbage (compared to chess, anyway) that I've kept it up. One of my work buddies and I break for afternoon games when staring at the computer screen gets old. Great, great game! If Mike D's hosting a cribbage fest in January, I better try for some warm-up games over the holidays--one card a game, --- digdugdig@webtv.net wrote: > Ah cribbage!!! May be the best card game for 2 people but Lynn hit me > heart by mentioning my "first love" ... pinochle, but gotta be double > deck!! > First learned during my 2 year "stint" in Bad Aibling, Germany and > rarely played since, and sorely missed!! > Our CO would get it started by coming out of his office, slap his hands > and say "Let's get the cards out"...heck...I used to go in on my days > off to see if I could get in on a game!! > I'll never forget the time we played for, litteraly (sic) 24 hours > straight!! All day at "work" and then it was suggested that we "pick it > up" at the club. Penny a point and Lt. Joe and meself were giving a > lesson to my CO, Ron Williams and Shaw (don't recall his first > name...everyone called him...Shaw!!). > Well, we closed the club and Ron said..."My house" and before we knew > it...his wife came through the living room asking if we wanted > breakfast!! > Penny a point...after 24 hours...Lt. Joe and meself made a little > change!! > Not important now...the memories that the "Coffee Guy" resurfaced with > his last e-mail...that's 'nuff right there!! > Along with all this "stair baseball"...did anyone NOT do this!! Just > don't try it with a "superball"...ya get your butt kicked!! > PS...anyone actually use the backside of the old dartboards?? > I made my own on a big piece of sheetrock...defense oriented...pitcher. > If the pitcher was a lefty...I threw lefthanded...that's how I > learned...and if I remember...it's been awhile...but I think I threw a > no-hitter as "Ray Culp". > Wow...this has been a great example for myself, and an understanding on > what OBC is...Mikey D. and Lynn Miller...and Keith Summers' trivia > (although I did not reply...don't wanna look TOO stupid). > You guy's have revived some of the GOOD times in me life that I will > never forget... > Stickball anyone??? > Mucho, mucho thanks OBC... > 'nuff said...Doug > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:58:34 EST Subject: email mystery To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com i received some emails recently from the address gcstackmoney (or something similar), but this address doesn't show up in the directory. can anyone help identify this person? tnx, gm ================= To: Subject: Stair Baseball and Then Some Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:05:37 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Yes, stair baseball made its way to the Great White North as well. But.. My favourite plaything when I was a kid was a thing called "Pitch and Catch." Picture an aluminum tube frame about 3 feet X 3 feet, with really elastic mesh in the middle. It was on an adjustable stand, so you could angle the mesh straight up and down, or away from you, or angle it towards the ground. If it was tilted away from you, with a good strong accurate toss you could arrange for a pop up, or go for the long ball. If you needed a grounder, just tilt it towards you and let fly. Straight up and down it could go almost any direction, including a screaming line drive right back at your head, or through the poorly situated window behind you. I remember replaying Game 7 of the 1960 Series, with Maz hitting the dinger to win Game 7 in the bottom of the ninth. Yankees lost!!! From time to time the back yard would have almost enough kids to field a team. I tried hard to develop my left arm so I could be Koufax, but failed miserably, and usually settled for the high leg kick of Marichal. When trying for the long ball, I was usually Frank Robinson. I still haven't forgiven the Reds for trading him to the Orioles, but I think they did him a favour. Talk about holding a grudge, huh? Some years later my parents admitted they got me the Pitch and Catch (which they couldn't really afford at the time) because my friends and I were destroying the basement by playing full contact tennis ball hockey. That old house is long gone now. Thanks for bringing back the memories. ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:10:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: last call for trivia contest/new #6 question/new leader From: keithsummers@webtv.net From: KeithSummers@webtv.net Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 02:00:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia contest ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:18:16 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stair Baseball and Then Some To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com grant: i had a contraption like that called a Pitch Back. and you could weave a red "ribbon" inside the mesh to simulate a strike zone. i'll never forget the first day i got one. my dad was getting tired chasing my wild pitches, so he bought me one. the very first pitch, i wound up, threw as hard as i could, and the ball sailed right through the mesh, ripping a few of the squares open. i used a tennis ball thereafter! ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:26:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] email mystery To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com mystery solved. thanx ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:25:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Server Q From: "mikesportsfan" I do NOT get my OBC server posts in digest form. I get each one individually. Lately, I have been getting them "out of order". I am getting replies/responses to Posts, before I ever get the original Post. The original does eventually show up. Example: Repsonses to OBC Santa, before Jeff's announcement is received. Simialrly, comments about Keiths trivia contest, before reading Keith's offer of Anyone else have this problem? ANyone know if I can do anything about it? Other issue: I received a blind E-mail to trade with a Mark Zimmerman. I think I may pass, as he is driving me nuts (short trip) with his E-mails. Anyone ever deal with him? Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:50:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: His itinerary said "The Ritz" From: "mikesportsfan" It should have said "The Rich". Peter Mead became the 3rd OBCer to crash in the room of the Rich cards. Peter had E-mailed Mark Talbot and myself on Monday saying he was coming to town Tuesday & Wednesday for business. I offered to have him save a few company dollars by staying at the house. His tetanus shot being up to date, he agreed. He was dropped off by someone from the Detroit office of his company and of course it was like we had known each other forever. Peter came in, we chatted gave, introductory gifts and then headed to dinner at a mideast restaurant by the house. Peter got a kafka kebob, thinking it was like shish kebob. Not what he expected, but I think he liked it, as he was a good boy and finished all of his food. You can tell this is a quality place as we each got a full dinner, bread basket, soup/salad, entree with potatoes, AND Desert for under $13 combined. During dinner we commisserated over medical ills, and we are actually taking a few of the same meds. After dinner it was back to the house to listen to an Ernie Harwell tape, and await Mark. While waiting for Mark, Peter, was able to go through some of my dupe boxes. More swapping, of cardboard and stories. Lots of laughter. Peter was mystified at Mark and my not only knowing what various variations were, but the card numbers. Peter, is trying to avoid the green tints, learned about the white/black 53 Topps bio's among many others. He does not understand how I could have so many Jesus Alou no positions and certain other variations. Mark left probably close to 11 pm and Peter and I soon turned in. He awoke to a French Toast breakfast (food is ready when the smoke alarm goes off - correct?) that I think impressed him more than the card collection. Before Peter's taxi arrived we got to look at more of my collection. I just love showing it off to someone who can appreciate it. Especially the oddball issues, which Peter is also a proud pursuer of. It was funny to show him regional issues from HIS hometown area that he was unaware of. Namely Bell's Bills FB issue. I hope Peter enjoyed his visit to the Rich Boarding & Baseball Card House. Generally available to OBCers on little to know notice. Although extra notice to clean up a little is appreciated (by me and probably by you if you decide to stay - LOL). Congrats Mark on meeting your first OBCer who is not a FOOT member. Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:02:45 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" This Zimmerman guy contacted me too, about a month ago. I tried to put together a deal with him, but a) he didn't seem to have a want list and asked me to list what I had available and b) he was WAY too condition I eventually told him that I didn't think we'd be able to work a deal. Haven't heard from him since. Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: 12 November 2003 19:26 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q I do NOT get my OBC server posts in digest form. I get each one individually. Lately, I have been getting them "out of order". I am getting replies/responses to Posts, before I ever get the original Post. The original does eventually show up. Example: Repsonses to OBC Santa, before Jeff's announcement is received. Simialrly, comments about Keiths trivia contest, before reading Keith's offer of Anyone else have this problem? ANyone know if I can do anything about it? Other issue: I received a blind E-mail to trade with a Mark Zimmerman. I think I may pass, as he is driving me nuts (short trip) with his E-mails. Anyone ever deal with him? Mike Rich To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia Answers From: "trufan999" Nice work Here are my answers 1. Eddie Gaedel 2. Walt Williams 3. On Your Wantlist 4. ??? 5. Johnny Unitas 6. Jim Hunter 7. Bill Duggleby 8. Chuck Klien 9. Comisky 10 ??? 11 Freddie Brown 12 ??? 13 Doc Ellis 14 Mike Kekich and Fritz Peterson 15 Maple Leafs did in 1942, Islanders did it twice in 1975 16 ??? 17 Vince Colman 18 Doug Flutie 19 Nick Collison 20 ??? 21 Ron Cey 22 ??? 23 ??? 24 Caray 25 Joe McGinnity 26 Don Baylor 27 Juan Samuel 28 any Cleveland Indians Player =) John Leroux ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:27:28 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stair Baseball and Then Some To: Smartalecx@aol.com, grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com And remember on the original "Pitch-backs" they used those cheesy rubber bands that would dry out. This was the days before metal springs! Funny, but when I was in Physical Therapy for my shoulder, I got to use one. Ahh the ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:43:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Pinochle, etc. To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I love cribbage and double-deck pinochle. Is there a way to have a tounament on-line, or are we meeting somewhere in the Caribbean like they do on the World Series of Poker??? ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:37:22 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Heilenman To: mikesportsfan Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q I too have been approached by Mr. Zimmerman about a deal. I did not have anything he was looking for. He wanted a pile of stars in ex+ condition. After I told him in 3 different emails that he was barking up the wrong tree for ex+ condition cards , he finally figured out that a trade could not be arranged. from email one I had told him that OBC is not a condition sensitivegroup and he would not find much here. He insisted on trying. Oh well. ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q I do NOT get my OBC server posts in digest form. I get each one individually. Lately, I have been getting them "out of order". I am getting replies/responses to Posts, before I ever get the original Post. The original does eventually show up. Example: Repsonses to OBC Santa, before Jeff's announcement is received. Simialrly, comments about Keiths trivia contest, before reading Keith's offer of Anyone else have this problem? ANyone know if I can do anything about it? Other issue: I received a blind E-mail to trade with a Mark Zimmerman. I think I may pass, as he is driving me nuts (short trip) with his E-mails. Anyone ever deal with him? Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stair Baseball and Then Some To: smartalecx@aol.com, grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet --- smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > grant: i had a contraption like that called a Pitch > Back. and you could > weave a red "ribbon" inside the mesh to simulate a > strike zone. > i'll never forget the first day i got one. my dad > was getting tired chasing > my wild pitches, so he bought me one. the very > first pitch, i wound up, threw > as hard as i could, and the ball sailed right > through the mesh, ripping a few > of the squares open. i used a tennis ball > thereafter! I also tried my hand at pitching as a kid, imagining that one day I'd be able to appear on the monud for the Yankees. Turns out I pitched a lot like Ryne Duren but without the speed, and that wasn't a good combination. My favorite practice area was in the backyard of my parents' house against the barn. That way, when I was playing on the neighborhood playground, I could prove to the other kids that I could INDEED hit the broad side of a barn. I loved pitching in the sandlots...nobody could hit me well, and then when they started complaining about it, I'd say with all my youthful widsom, "Oh, you want somebody else? What, you can't hit my stuff?" That usually bought me another couple of innings. Then, I went out for the junior varsity team in the 9th grade...my coach had a hard time getting me to understand why the catcher was insisting i "put it right there." I was exiled to the outfield, where I worked hard on earning the "Iron Glove" award (because I fielded fly balls like they were live grenades). The coach finally gave up and made me the team manager. I got to wear a uniform and keep the score (apparently, my skills in writing and keeping track of things was evident even then). After that, I concentrated on playing football instead. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:44:40 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cribbage, Pinochle, etc. To: Brockhattox@cs.com, obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Brock - Whidbey Island is a great location for a cribbage tournament. In the summer or fall anyway. Did you say January Mike? We would all particularly apprecaite the coffee. - Doug ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:49:50 -0500 Subject: mark zimmerman From: richard a kimball hey group, look what showed up on my email today.and from mark zimmerman-bet his ears are ringin. On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:10:49 -0500 mzimmermann@uks.com writes: > Any interest? Let me know. > I have a pretty short hard to hit wantlist, as follows: > Baseball > '66Topps: 552 > '67Topps: 587 > Football > 50 Bowman: 115 > '64Phila.: 81 > '65Topps: 87 176 > '67Topps: 59 > '67Phila.: 198 > Other than these I also generally like to trade for pre-72 baseball > & hockey star cards in at least Ex condition. > Let me know what you might have available. > Thanks > Mark The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= To: Subject: Me Too! Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:10:02 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Grant - I took a look at your OBC list and can help you out with '59T: 415 '73T: 226 '74T: 131 564 '78T: 3 201 380 710 '79T: 480 580 70/71OPC Hockey: 205 Also have a few 74/75T if you want to send me your list. Let me know if you are interested & what sort of stuff you have for Hi Mark...I have a few cards in my dupes box...BB, FB, and hockey. Most are in mediocre condition, which turns a lot of people off. That's for you. You can let me know if you are still interested in a swap of Grant - I'd be interested on any pre-'73 BB & hockey you have in at least Ex condition. Let me know. Thanks Mark Zimmermann Updike Kelly & Spellacy, P.C. One State Street Hartford, CT 06123-1277 Tel: 860-548-2600 Fax: 860-548-2680 http://www.uks.com LEGAL NOTICE: Unless expressly stated otherwise, this message is confidential and may privileged. It is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not an addressee, any disclosure, copying or use of the information in this is unauthorized and may be unlawful. If you are not an addressee, inform the sender immediately and permanently delete and/or destroy the original and any copies/printouts of this message. Thank you. ================= Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:13:19 EST Subject: Cribbage To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I'm very happy to see so many cribbage enthusiasts out there! It is by far my favorite card game, though I've dusted off my poker skills recently and that game is going up the list fast. For the last few years I've been a member of the American Cribbage Congress, the national organization for cribbage players. There are live tournaments all over the country nearly every weekend and local clubs that play weekly that number into the hundreds. In fact, I am currently investigating the feasibility of starting a cribbage club (known as a Grass Roots club) where I live, as the nearest one to me is 45 minutes away. For anyone who's interested in this type of activity, you can visit the ACC's Lots of tips and other interesting links for the cribbage player! Happy Collecting...and Pegging! ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:12:11 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: stair basball anyone? To: jcoker@uga.edu, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com I remember the days of playing "STOOP BALL" yes im originally ffom Brooklyn and we calle dit stoop ball also. ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 00:31:27 -0500 To: mikesportsfan Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Server Q From: Mark S Talbot Hi Mike,

    Sorry this topic did not come up last night.  Mark Zimmerman contacted me a few months ago as he was making his way through the VCT roster.  From what I remember he had a want list of @ 6 cards, all HI numbers from some mid `60's baseball and football sets.  What he wanted in trade was Star cards in EX+ condition - to say the least no deals were struck.  Probably a waste of your time - it was of mine.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

mikesportsfan wrote:

 I do NOT get my OBC server posts in digest form.  I get each one
individually.  Lately, I have been getting them "out of order".  I am
getting replies/responses to Posts, before I ever get the original
Post.  The original does eventually show up.  Example:  Repsonses to
OBC Santa, before Jeff's announcement is received.  Simialrly,
comments about Keiths trivia contest, before reading Keith's offer
Anyone else have this problem?  ANyone know if I can do anything
about it?

Other issue:  I received a blind E-mail to trade with a Mark
Zimmerman.  I think I may pass, as he is driving me nuts (short
with his E-mails.  Anyone ever deal with him?
Mike Rich
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================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mark zimmerman Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:34:29 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" I've also been contacted by Mark Zimmerman and have been unsuccessful in finding any Ex pre 72 cards for him. Did they even make cards in excellent condition back then? According to the address in Grant's email he works 5 miles away from where I work if that means anything to anybody. I did receive cards from a Mike Watkins who finished my 1975 Wonder Bread football set with 3 beauties. He said he likes the Eagles and if I have anything to send him that's fine and if not he's just glad to help me out. Two thumbs up in my book. -Bob R >From: richard a kimball >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] mark zimmerman >Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:49:50 -0500 >hey group, >look what showed up on my email today.and from mark zimmerman-bet his >ears are ringin. >On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:10:49 -0500 mzimmermann@uks.com writes: > > Any interest? Let me know. > > > > I have a pretty short hard to hit wantlist, as follows: > > > > Baseball > > '66Topps: 552 > > '67Topps: 587 > > > > > > Football > > 50 Bowman: 115 > > '64Phila.: 81 > > '65Topps: 87 176 > > '67Topps: 59 > > '67Phila.: 198 > > > > Other than these I also generally like to trade for pre-72 baseball > > & hockey star cards in at least Ex condition. > > > > Let me know what you might have available. > > > > Thanks > > > > Mark >The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! >Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! >Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! MSN Shopping upgraded for the holidays! Snappier product search... http://shopping.msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:16:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Stair Baseball and Then Some From: "David Skoglund" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@a... wrote: > i had a contraption like that called a Pitch Back. and you could > weave a red "ribbon" inside the mesh to simulate a strike zone. I had one of those too! And I had to use a tennis ball too. Mostly because of the way our yard was configured. The Pitch Back had to be up against the garage and the ball would bounce back towards the house, which is why I had to use a tennis ball. I was told that windows were expensive. :) ================= To: Subject: pitch back Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:21:32 -0800 From: "terry ellis" wasn't it endorsed by johnny podres? kit ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:26:31 EST Subject: my reply to zimmerman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Mark - You really need to read the OBC FAQ. We collect beat up old cards. If a card should happen to be in Ex it would be an accident. Our solution to Ex or better is to put them in our bicycle spokes for awhile, or perhaps flip for them against a wall or carry them in our back pocket like we did when we were kids and a valuable card was a guy who played for your team...even if he sat on the bench. Our collecting is strictly for fun. we don;t own price guides. we send cards to each other if the other person needs them with no thought of getting anything in return. Should we come across a card in a slab (thats been graded) we liberate it. I doubt you will find many guys in OBC who have or want vintage stars in Ex condition. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:48:09 EST Subject: Zimmerman's reply To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:00:56 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Zimmerman's reply To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Am I missing something? We have all received unsolicited trade offers from non-members in the past, and as far as I can remember, aside from "checking references", there have been no problems with it. We all decide who we want to deal with or not. This guy has condition requirements. So what? If you look at the wantlists of our members, I would venture to guess that more than half of them have condition requirements, either for all sets, upgrades or whatever. If you don't want to trade with a guy, then dont. If you want to politely let him know that OBC is not as condition sensitive a group as say, OCT or VCT, that's fine. But as far as I can tell, since he hasn't been nasty or unreasonable in his requests, it seems to me that any response more than that seems a bit excessive, and not in the spirit of this group as a whole. We keep what we give away -- My 2 cents worth. ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:18:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1951 Red Back Pack To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick For collectors of these, this should make an interesting addition to your collection. Good Luck! 1951 TOPPS REDBACK UNOPENED PACK FGA GRADING Item number: 2763887436 Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:20:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1951 Redbacks To: OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick This is on evilbay, by the way! Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:46:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Isaly's Disc storage tip From: directorth@aol.com After being bombarded - in the best possible way - by Richard Kimball & Rick Svetecz, I now have 66 of the 70 discs in the 1976 Isaly's/Sweet William set - so I decided it was high time I stored them properly. Since they wouldn't fit in "normal" plastic sheets, I discovered they are almost exactly the same size as 3 1/4 (or is it 3 1/2?? I can never remember) inch computer discs. A short trip to Staples later, I found some Avery sheets designed to hold computer discs - 4 pockets - that the Isaly discs fit nicely in. They're vinyl, so I hope they're OK to store cardboard in, but if anyone is looking for a way to display these, one box has 10 sheets - enough to hold the entire set, when they're loaded back-to-back. Happy collecting! ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:30:32 -0500 (EST) To: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my reply to zimmerman From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:26:31 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] my reply to zimmerman Mark - You really need to read the OBC FAQ. We collect beat up old cards. If a card should happen to be in Ex it would be an accident. Our solution to Ex or better is to put them in our bicycle spokes for awhile, or perhaps flip for them against a wall or carry them in our back pocket like we did when we were kids and a valuable card was a guy who played for your team...even if he sat on the bench. Our collecting is strictly for fun. we don;t own price guides. we send cards to each other if the other person needs them with no thought of getting anything in return. Should we come across a card in a slab (thats been graded) we liberate it. I doubt you will find many guys in OBC who have or want vintage stars in Ex condition. - Doug ================= To: , Subject: Away for the weekend.... Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 21:52:50 -0600 From: "meyergray" My friends, I am leaving early in the morning for a business trip to Atlanta (actually,to Callaway Gardens, for a philosophy conference). I will be out until Monday. If anyone needs to reach me, I am available at taipan@teacher.com. Be happy, John Scott Gray ================= Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 23:04:48 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Zimmerman's reply To: Smartalecx@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Zimmerman did not approach individual members who may collect higher grade cards. He approached every member of a group that specializes in lower grade cards, then haggled over condition with some he tried to trade with. I didn';t think it was appropriate and still don't. I may have been a bit sarcastic. - ================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 07:01:05 -0500 (EST) To: Traderdoug@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Zimmerman's reply From: Originaleek@webtv.net I think sarcasm was probably wasted on this guy. At any rate, his response to you was edgy as well. I still think you were right on. As was mentioned, there are OBCers that are condition sensitive with regard to upgrades and certain sets. I have sent cards to such folks indicating that if the cards did not meet their condition requirements simply send them along to another OBCer. The response I've gotten was "Thanks". We keep what we give away! ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Joe Foy! Joe Foy! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:52:42 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Is Joe Foy pictured on any baseball cards in a Mets uniform? Did Joe Foy even play for the Mets? Joe Foy! Joe Foy! ================= To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 09:33:09 -0500 From: "Bob Reed" 1970 Topps #138. I think it's a Royals uniform though. He's not wearing a hat but it does say METS on the front of the card. In their never ended search for a third baseman, NY traded Amos Otis and Bob Johnson to KC for Foy on December 3rd, 1969. Nice trade New York! Foy appeared in 99 games for NY in 1970 with 6 HR and a .236 average. Otis did slightly better for KC. Heck even Bob Johnson did better. He went 8-13 with a 3.07 ERA in 1970. >From: "larry.tipton" >To: "OBC" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:52:42 -0500 >Is Joe Foy pictured on any baseball cards in a Mets uniform? >Did Joe Foy even play for the Mets? >Joe Foy! >Joe Foy! Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 15:00:34 +0000 From: Glenn Johnson really had a better year in '70 than his won-lost record indicates. He was 3rd in the AL in K's, 2nd in K's/9IP, 4th in hits allowed/9IP, and 10th in ERA. His weakness seemed to be his control though, with 83 walks (and 11 hit batsmen) in 214 innings. After the 1970 season, Johnson was traded to the Pirates (along with Jim Campanis and Jackie Hernandez) for Freddie Patek, Bruce DalCanton and Jerry May. So ultimately Joe Foy brought KC their starting SS and CF for the next decade. Nice work if you can get it. Wish the Tigers could get a break like that now! ============================================================ From: "Bob Reed" Date: 2003/11/14 Fri PM 02:33:09 GMT To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! 1970 Topps #138. I think it's a Royals uniform though. He's not wearing a hat but it does say METS on the front of the card. In their never ended search for a third baseman, NY traded Amos Otis and Bob Johnson to KC for Foy on December 3rd, 1969. Nice trade New York! Foy appeared in 99 games for NY in 1970 with 6 HR and a .236 average. Otis did slightly better for KC. Heck even Bob Johnson did better. He went 8-13 with a 3.07 ERA in 1970. >From: "larry.tipton" >To: "OBC" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! >Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 08:52:42 -0500 >Is Joe Foy pictured on any baseball cards in a Mets uniform? >Did Joe Foy even play for the Mets? >Joe Foy! >Joe Foy! Is your computer infected with a virus? Find out with a FREE computer virus scan from McAfee. Take the FreeScan now! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 10:41:16 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Foy! Joe Foy! To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well I remember we traded that 'bum' Amos Otis for him. Other than playing 'stellar' 3b for the Mets, his highlight was stealing home once with Jerry Koosman at the plate. This was the guy who replaced 'the glider'. I think Lute Barnes was next until we made that other great trade and got Jim Fregosi ! He's listed on the Mets in 1970, but he didn't have a cap (because he was still in a KC uniform). ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: A short notice favor needed.... Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:18:19 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" For reasons that I can’t explain fully just yet (but which those of you who’ ve read my posts over the past few months might have a decent guess at), it seems that I’m in need of a New York Giants baseball cap circa 1951 ASAP. It would need to be with me before Dec 5th. Ideally, I’m hoping that someone who has a PayPal account that accepts credit card payments could purchase one for me and send it over here. I will of course reimburse you fully for the cost of the cap and postage. If you can help me out, please let me know and I’ll get back to you with I’ll fill you all in on what’s going on when I can, but for the moment, let’ s just say that I’m feeling pretty psyched!!! Glasgow, Scotland (Birthplace of Bobby Thomson) ================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 01:42:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Keith's trivia contest #1 (answers to questions #1 & #2) From: keithsummers@webtv.net Before I can determine the winner we need to review of few of the questions. Email me directly with comments at KeithSummers@webtv.net . First of all, the reason I changed #6, I thought Jim Nash had named his dog "Catfish" because of friend Jim "Catfish" Hunter. But I apparently had this mixed up as it was Hunter who named 2 dogs after "Jumbo" Jim Answer to #1 is Eddie Gaedel number 1/8 who was 3'7" tall & had 1 plate appearance for Bill Veeck's STL Browns (in 1951 I think it was). He walked on 4 pitches. Check the book VEECK AS IN WRECK to see exact details as to how he pulled this off. I LOVE the book it it was reprinted years after the original. BTW, 11 of 14 people got this right with 1 vote for Freddie Patek (Stufflestreet/5'? KC), 1 for Harry Chappas (Wattigny/5'3 CWS) and 1 no answer (JSG). Was one of those 2 guys the shortest regular player? The answer to #2 was Walt "NO NECK" Williams which 11 of 14 also got this one right. We had 1 vote for Ted Klu (JSG), 1 for Boog Powell (MSFgator) & 1 no answer (Kit). BTW, was Boog the heaviest player ever? Cecil Fielder? It's 1:40AM so I need to get some sleep. I'll have to finish this later. But as I said a few of the answers need to be discuseed to determine all of which are right & who won the contest. As it turned out, I needed to be more specific with a few of the questions :-( ================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:02:45 -0500 To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Toronto show From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Ron Perry and I made it to the show around 5:00 yesterday. The show runs until 10:00 on Friday. Saw between 1/3 and 1/2 the tables probably. Show has been kind of slow so far, but we each got a couple of purchases we were quite happy with. Ron got the steal of the show so far with an album (he has to return the album and plastic now that he has liberated them into an 800 count box - part of the deal)containing approx. 650 hockey cards. Almost all were from 1969-70 & 1970-71 with some earlier Topps hockey. Now granted these were truly Tiptonesque, or as Ron put it for you OBC oldtimers, Mikita cards. But at under a dime a card. WOW! He also found a pack of Tiger Stadium issued photos that he beat me to. The SOB. We'll see if he gets a ride back to the states. We found a dealer that had a stack of really beat up prewar cards. He let me cherry pick them for $5 Canadian each (about $3.75 each US). I got 30 cards, including Diamond Stars, Batter-ups, 36 Goudey, Playball high numbers, etc. My other buy was a 1952 Parkhurst BB of Walt Alston in VG for $10. He is 1 of the 2 keys to the set and books for about $150 US. I also got a pair of Nalley's CFL coin shortprints with a pair of Shirriff BB coins for $10 Can total. Grant may be the only one that can appreciate that buy. No hits to my OPC BB list and only 3 to the OPC hockey, but we have 2 days and 2 swap sessions scheduled with locals to go. Wish us luck. Believe it or not there is a dealer offering a lot of 42 assorted 1952 Topps HIGH numbers including Mantle, Mays, Robinson, Dickey, etc. for $6,400 US. They are in lower grade (of course). I thought abbout it, but A) I do not have that kind of money with me and B). I am not sure it is really a good deal. Figure Mantle at $2,200. The other 6 big stars at $200 each (no Mathews), then the other 35 work out to $75 each approx. I have no trouble with the stars at thjose prices, but the commons that seems kind of steep for the shape they are in. If anyone wants them, LMK ASAP and I can try and arrange somehting for Sunday. Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: Rich's Riches Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 08:39:49 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" Reading Mike's ramble about the Toronto show reminded me that I needed to put down on paper my recent journey to Detroit. I needed to pay a visit to our Detroit office and a lightning bolt hit me--Mike and Mark and a few others live near Detroit. I think I emailed Mike on a Monday and had the pleasure of staying at Mike's on Tuesday. A co-worker dropped me off on Radclift Place about 4:45 and at about 4:47 Irealized I was visiting an old friend even though we had never physically met each other. For the next seven hours we discussed life, work and cards. I heard Ernie Harwell broadcasting Mike's batting cage prowess and searched through dupe boxes and saw much stuff that I had never seen before (including a number of great reference books). About 8:00 Mark Talbot showed upwith his Norm Cash HOMer notebook (game pieces, cards, magazines etc), stories (the 1,000,000 card garage loft) and a few more cards. Mark was one of my earliest online friends--now we have just taken it to another level. Thanks for making the trek to Mike's. I should mention the education I received in a number of collecting areas. Coke caps--I think I have one in my collection, but I do remember having afew Bills and Browns as a kid growing up on the shores of Lake Erie. Never realized there were so many possibilities--truly a lifetime search. I understand how Mr. Rich is one of the recognized national authorities on these Variations--I will probably write a future ramble about how Mike Rich finally made me take the plunge after the 62 green meanies and began accumulating 1974 Jesus Alou no position cards. What I can say--it is nice to finallyknow what all of the different variations actually are. It is a little difficult to understand what the differences are reading an SCD. Nettles rookie--loop/no loop, 72 Cubbies with green letters, 62 Angels team with the floating heads, card 115 Spahn (was he going to pitch forever) or Henry, different background colors on the 73 managers cards, white letters/yellow letters, black bios/white bios, traded lines, Jan5th/Jan20th, left ear/no leftear, are they 1962 or 1963 rookies? I am still having nightmares--but expect to see a few of these posted on mywantlists soon. Will probably start with the 74 Washington Padres and go from there (although I probably wouldn't turn away any green tints). Woke up on Wednesday morning to the smell of french toast (or is that freedom toast?)--and a couple more hours of looking through singles boxes (yes--I did see the stack of National Chicle footballers) of the odd and unusual.Absolutely great stuff. Left with my bags much heavier than when I arrived (if I had only known, I would have brought an extra one). Thanks Mike and Mark for one of the most enjoyable nights I have had on theroad (or not on the road for that matter). The hospitality and camaraderie was a pleasant change of pace from the expected sterile hotel room. Next time--hopefully the Tigers are in town, peter mead ================= To: "Chris Stufflestreet" , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling the Bullpen again... Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 12:59:45 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Chris -- I finally got around to checking and my Wilhelm is spelled correctly with the "r." I've never heard of a missing r variation, but who knows. Josh, Howard, Ken, and my other fellow T205ers - any inputs? Take Care, Geno > [Original Message] > From: Chris Stufflestreet > To: > Date: 11/11/2003 6:40:09 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling the Bullpen again... > I just got this email through my website. I can't > answer the question because my T205 collection > consists of 5 cards, and the one he's asking about > isn't one of them. > "I am putting together a T205 set and came across > something and was wandering if you could answer a > question. I just purchased a Wilhelm of Brooklyn and > was reading the back and found that near the bottom of > the card the word suffered is missing the r, do you > know if this is an uncorrected error or is it just an > undiscovered variation. Do you deal or trade in these > cards as well." > Well, I can answer that last question fairly easily, > but before I tell him that somebody didn't proofread > the back during the typesetting process, I was > wondering if any of you who have the card have a > different spelling. Let me know. > Take care, > Chris > ===== > I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Laptop help Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 19:37:03 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- My wife and I are thinking about buying a laptop for each other for Xmas, however we are both dopes when it comes to tech stuff. We want something that will play DVDs so are kids can watch them in the car while we drive. Do one of you computer gurus have a couple of minutes to tell me what sort of specs I should be shooting for in a laptop (less than $1500 if at all possible)? I would be indebted to you for your service!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 20:32:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bob Lemke email? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Does anybody in the group have Bob Lemke's email address? I think I've found a variation card, thanks to the OBC clan. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:13:28 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia answers #3 to #7 /The Teenager=Mr. Trivia?/Which Rick?/ From: keithsummers@webtv.net #3=OYW=One Year Winners which is the cards (3 series) Larry Fritsch printed in the 70s/80s. Stufflestreet was the only one to get this one! But I should have worded the question better. Answers ranged from ONLY YOUR WORST (Reed), On Your Wantlist (Lindholm/Biggs/Grant/Trufan/Sean)- Off Your Wantlist (Terry D), On Your Word (Wattingny), One Year Wonder (Mayo/Spike), Open Your Wallet (MSF). Only Yellow (letters) Wanted (JSG). ============================== #4=RoadRunner=Ralph Garr is what I was looking for although I learned that Yvan Cournoyer (Montreal Canadiens) & Gene Clines also went by that :-( So I'm going to count all 3 as being right which means 8 of 14 got this one. Answers ranged from no guess (Kit & Trufan), Yvan (Grant), Yvan & Garr (Biggs), Rick Burleson (Sean ), Lee Richard (Wattingny), Mickey Rivers (MSF), & Lou Brock (JSG). A VCTer that I can't remember gave me the info about the 3, although he didn't play in the contest. ================================= #5=Johnny Unitas is what Opey said to Barney. Amazingly (to me) 10 of 14 got this. Answers ranged from Sammy Baugh (Stufflestreet), Sandy Koufax (MSF/must have missed the FOOTBALL comment), What kind of sissy (Sean) & Y.A. Tittle (JSG). BTW, I should have mentioned that the # of question marks represented the exact number of missing letters for all the answers. ================================= #6=This is the one I have messed up TWICE now! It was originally the CATFISH question (see my previous post). I changed it to, name the Willie that hit a HR in the UD @ Atlanta Fulton County Stadium? The problem is, there may have coincidentally been 2 guys (of the 4 total) named Willie that did it. The answer I was looking for, nobody guessed! His name is Willie Smith of the Cubs (1969?). Answers ranged from McCovey (Grant/ Wattingny/Mayo/Trufan/ Lindholme/Stuffle/, Stargell (JSG/ Biggs/Terry D), Horton (Sean) & Montanez (Reed/Kit). So this one remains up in the air for now but I'll verify soon. However this one question alone, is not going to effect the outcome. But McCovey or Stargell may have done it & if so I'll accept that too. Seems like I remember writing down 2 guys named Willie when I knew the answer years ================================ #7=Grand Slam with 1st & last HR=Champ Summers! As far as I know he is the only one who did it & nobody guessed him even with the 4 extra hints I gave! Bill Duggleby is the only player to do it in his 1st AB. Answers ranged from: Chambliss, Merced, Hoyt Wilhelm, Ron Northey, Dave Parker, Paul Gillespie, Mattingly, Ted Williams & Bob Horner! ================================== I'll do #8 to #28 later. If anyone disputes any answers or has comments, send email to KeithSummers@webtv.net . BTW, the 2 guys I was expecting to hear from that would win were: Joshua & Rick "Leg Breaker" Svetcz (thanks Todd!). I MAY have this mixed up but I thought Joshua was known as "Mr. Trivia" in the old days or was that Ryan "The Teenager"? I may have Rick S, mixed up with Rick Redpath as the trivia buff. If I'm wrong in both these cases then that is a weird coincidence connecting trivia & death & I better check my life insurance policy, as I think Ryan is deceased also, or do I have a 3rd thing mixed up? I know Kevin Lohse is another OBCer who is deceased (but have no idea of his trivia interests) & there is probably more I don't know about during the 6 years I was out of the group :-( Speaking of old days on Prodigy, anyone know what happened to Bryan York or Yorkton (or whatever his name was) who collected Hershiser cards? ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:20:10 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Calling the Bullpen again... To: illini90@earthlink.net, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, From: Wite3@aol.com Okay...looked at two of my Wilhelms that I have scanned, both have the "r"...I think it may be a print defect or paper loss...will have to do some more research...I pray that this is not another variation... ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 02:48:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bob Lemke email? To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Wite3@aol.com We are in trouble here.... Chris has pointed out a possible variation...here is what I have found so far, my two Wilhelms both have the "r". If you want to see an example of one with out the "r" check out the following website: http://www.vintagecardsonline.com/gallery_setmain.cfm?CardSet=T205 This will kill me if it is confirmed.... ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:18:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tacoma Show report From: "alcattle" Our little 4 times a year show is this weekend and it usually mean the PNW-OBC gather to exchange gibs and meet for a day. This year we were hoping for a good showing to meet former PNW'er and OBC'er Spike Glidden. I went down Friday to do some early looking and met with Dave Fallen. We circled the room in half hour and went to the 2- 3 good tables and bought our share. Dave Trimble came in from Utah and had his usual nice spread of vintage cards at fair prices. The other good table is a local that we deal with, I call him oddball as he always has a big assortment of odd cards dirt cheap. Our favorite dealer is Mark Macrae with the big display of all types of collectables. We broke up and planned to meet up Saturday. I got there at the crack of one, Spike was long gone, I guess he was still on Bawstun time, 3 hours before us. I just caught Dave as he was heading out. I will let him tell about his finds. I picked up some 55B and I think the last cards of the 62T (if there is such a thing) so it was a good show in some ways. AQlso saw Frank Howard signing, looked pretty good, he was having a blast talking to people, posing for everyone's cameras and made everyone feel good for the $15 donation. Joe Rudi will be there Sunday, I won't but still hope they do well. Seems like the show is getting smaller each time. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:45:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bob Lemke email? From: "Ken Morganti" Apparently I replied just to Chris the first time... my Wilhelm is missing the "r", which menas that Chris has probably added another card or two to my wantlist - thanks Chris (please note the heavy sarcasm there). I still think we should find out which version is scarcer and scoop them all up before Buckett prices one of them out of reach :-) (as if T205 Wilhelm cards aren't hard enough to find reasonably priced). TAYL, Ken M --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... wrote: > We are in trouble here.... > Chris has pointed out a possible variation...here is what I have found so > far, my two Wilhelms both have the "r". If you want to see an example of one > out the "r" check out the following website: > http://www.vintagecardsonline.com/ > This will kill me if it is confirmed.... > Joshua ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:18:51 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bob Lemke email? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Chris or Ken, can one of you scan your Wilhelm for the group? ================= To: "obc" Subject: Chicago Sun Times Show Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 08:22:05 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" I am planning on going to Chicago next Saturday for the Sun Times at Rosemont. Anybody heading out there? I know Gary Mandell is. This will my firstopportunity to meet other OBC members. Ken Goetsch-OBC ================= To: "Chris Stufflestreet" Subject: lemke email address is... Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 09:02:25 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:18:44 EST Subject: Website lost? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com I have tried to tak into the www.oldbaseballcard.com and get a strange new Did we lose it? Have a new one? ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 12:35:39 -0500 To: HMorgan707@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website lost? From: Mark S Talbot Hey Howard,

    We are at <http://www.oldbaseball.com/>, I do not know what is at www.oldbaseballcard.com, but I will check it out.  Hope this helps get you "back on track" - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

HMorgan707@aol.com wrote:

 I have tried to tak into the www.oldbaseballcard.com and get a strange new website.
Did we lose it? Have a new one?
Grizzly
================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 21:02:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bob Lemke email? From: "Ken Morganti" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, typecard@a... wrote: > Chris or Ken, can one of you scan your Wilhelm for the group? > Thanks, > Andy Mine looks just like the one Josh pointed out to us at vintagecardsonline (except mine's a little more beat up ) I've scanned it anyway and posted it at http://members.aol.com/kenmorganti/wilhelm.jpg Now the question is, does it come with a Polar Bear back? :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "Ken Morganti" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bob Lemke email? Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 13:37:45 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" If anyone is keeping track, mine is a Hassan back and it does have the "r" in suffered. > [Original Message] > From: Ken Morganti > To: > Date: 11/16/2003 1:02:43 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bob Lemke email? > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, typecard@a... wrote: > > Chris or Ken, can one of you scan your Wilhelm for the group? > > Thanks, > > Andy > Mine looks just like the one Josh pointed out to us at vintagecardsonline > (except mine's a little more beat up ) I've scanned it anyway and posted it > at http://members.aol.com/kenmorganti/wilhelm.jpg Now the question is, > it come with a Polar Bear back? :-) TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:46:33 EST Subject: T-205 Wilhelm update To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Okay...spent the better part of last night and this morning e-mailing friends, checking websites, etc. for back scans of the Wilhelm and I am pretty confident I know what happened. It was misspelled in the first print run (Piedmont, Sweet Cap, Polar Bear). It was corrected in the third print run and left out entirely in the second. This actually clears up a question for me on one of the cards from my summer report. So, Ken, I am pretty sure both variations will show up in Polar Bear but not in Hassan, Honest, or any of the other tough backs (except maybe Soverign). All the misspelled ones I saw were Piedmont or Sweet Cap. My corrected one is a Hassan as is another corrected I saw. I did see a corrected Honest Long cut as well. The good news is that if the print runs are like i described then the incorrect version is very slightly more available than the corrected version (good news for me that is, sorry Chris). Hopefully Lemke will take a serious look at the version. Now the weird part...I know that the Moran stray line has been know for at least 15 years but how does an error like a missing letter get skipped for more than 90 years!! I understand that the Moran is twice as common as the Wilhelm, but sheesh. As a self-proclaimed expert on the T-205s, I feel like a fool. Oh well...live and learn. Take care all-- ================= Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 16:34:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bob Lemke email? To: Ken Morganti , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet The 2004 guides are just now hitting the shelves, so you have nearly a year to scoop them up...and I'm not immune to sarcasm; after all, I'm a native New Yorker! Glad to have a little impact in my beloved hobby...but don't thank me, Ken. Thank the guy who sent me an email and got the ball rolling! Take care, --- Ken Morganti wrote: > Apparently I replied just to Chris the first time... > my Wilhelm is missing the "r", > which menas that Chris has probably added another > card or two to my > wantlist - thanks Chris (please note the heavy > sarcasm there). I still think we > should find out which version is scarcer and scoop > them all up before Buckett > prices one of them out of reach :-) (as if T205 > Wilhelm cards aren't hard > enough to find reasonably priced). TAYL, > Ken M > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@a... > wrote: > > We are in trouble here.... > > > > Chris has pointed out a possible variation...here > is what I have found so > > far, my two Wilhelms both have the "r". If you > want to see an example of one > with > > out the "r" check out the following website: > > http://www.vintagecardsonline.com/ > gallery_setmain.cfm?CardSet=T205 > > > > This will kill me if it is confirmed.... > > > > Joshua I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= To: Subject: Boston show Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 22:10:11 -0500 From: OK I'm a little late but just wanted to let everybody know what a great gettogether we had at the Shriners Show. I had to bring my 9 year old to the show but the guys pitched in helping me keep track of her. I ended up spending more on Pokemon cards than baseball cards :( The lunch get together was great with me ending up with cards from just about everybodys dupe box. After we went looking for the few bargains to be had and I ended up with a 55 Ted Williams that the guys led me to. Dinner after was an educational experience. The amount of knowledge about cards around the table is overwhelming. I've got to say getting together with the guys is the best part with the show only being a secondary attraction. Thanks to everybody for the cards and good times. Robert Pigeon ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 12:45:03 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: Interesting Auction & Items From: Lynn Miller This is EvilBay so if it offends, just delete. I've never seen this seller before and I've never encountered "Live" auctions on eBay? But this is also interesting because he has a lot of vintage and pre-war, sports and non-sports cards for those that might be interested. Anyone else participated in this before? How does an "Absentee bid" work? There is a buyer's premium for this? Lynn http://cgi6.liveauctions.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=pweissauctions&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50 ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Giants Cap Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 15:01:47 +0000 From: Glenn A few days back, I asked if someone could help me out in obtaining an early '50s NY Giants cap. A number of you were good enough to reply with an offer, although many of you also happened to ask a very pertinent question - Why not get one over the web? Right now I'm feeling really stupid. For some ridiculous reason, I hadn't even thought of that. Having checked out a few sites, I've tracked down one that can supply me with a fitted cap for just over $30 including shipping. That'll do for me. Thanks to those of you who stepped up to the mark for me! Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:34:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Request for scan help with type collection To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Hey all, My #5 type collection has most of my current attention, as I chip away at the SCD one page at a time. The next step will be the addition of scans, so people can link from the entries to the actual card. I'll scan and post my current collection over the next few weeks. While hitting my list is ideal (heh), sending a scan of a card from your own collection to add to the page would be great. If you have a scan of any #5 card NOT already on my list, please send it along to get http://www.angelfire.com/film/obc_spike/type.html This collection is limited to the #5s, but people can feel free to use it as a resource for a larger type card project of their own. Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:41:15 EST Subject: 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:46:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tacoma Show report To: obc ramblings From: Matthew My report for this weekend will play off of Al's, since he covered the salient points. --- alcattle wrote: > Our little 4 times a year show is this weekend and it usually mean > the PNW-OBC gather to exchange gibs and meet for a day. This year we > were hoping for a good showing to meet former PNW'er and OBC'er > Spike Glidden. Sorry I missed you guys, turned out that Saturday morning was a time crunch (had to get the girlfriend up to Space Needle). I fit all the cards into 10am-noon and took off shortly after. Happy to visit with Mark Macrae and peruse his book of Japanese cards, then walk off with some stuff for both me and the dupes box. > The other good table is a local that we deal with, I call him oddball as > he always has a big assortment of odd cards dirt cheap. Enjoyed looking through these oddball boxes, I could have killed 3 or 4 hours there easily. Nothing like oddballs for player collections! > Also saw Frank Howard signing, looked pretty good, he was having a > blast talking to people, posing for everyone's cameras and made > everyone feel good for the $15 donation. Joe Rudi will be there > Sunday, I won't but still hope they do well. Seems like the show is > getting smaller each time. Ditto on the shrinking show size. This time, the cards competed with coins and a few beanies. Next time, who knows? Glad that big Frank was there and hope they keep putting the shows together. Only a few tables for the OBC faithful, but nothing like the wasteland that NE shows can be. All this buying on-line and in slabs--do people not want to actually touch the cardboard anymore? For OBCers I missed this time--I'll be returning to Seattle next month for the holidays, planning to head up to Senior Diamante's at some point. Can we advance plan a preview to the cribbage Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 14:50:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: obc ramblings From: Matthew If McBride is a Phillie there, it's probably a 1979 Burger King Phillies issue. They have basically nothing to distinguish them from the regular Topps set, other than being devoted to one team. Just picked up the Larry Christensen from the same set. --- JEdward@aol.com wrote: > I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented > answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so > maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks > server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, > after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 Bake > McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my Standard > Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of > error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that card is > identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have > an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors > are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? > John Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:12:16 -0600 From: "meyergray" The McBride is not an error, but is part of the 79 Burger King Phyllis set.The set has twenty three cards, with some different poses then the regular cards. There was also a BK Yankees set the same year, and several otherteam sets from starting from 77 and running into the 80s. John Scott Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: JEdward@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuallsystem, after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I alsohave and that card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:21:24 EST Subject: cool link To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I stumbled upon this link today and thought y'all might enjoy it - a nice online exhibit and write up of Georgia Senator Richard B. Russell's T-card http://www.libs.uga.edu/russell/online-exhibits/baseball/about.html (My apologies if it's been posted before.) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:32:41 EST Subject: 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 19:03:22 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: JEdward@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com The #21 Bake McBride is a 1979 Burger King Phillies. The fronts look like 1979 Topps, just the card numbers were changed. > I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented > answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so > maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the > thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, > after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 > Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my > Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no > mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that > card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. > Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other > such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this > topic? ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 21:21:13 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Ok, so does this mean that any one of us could have a burger king issue in the first 20 or so cards of our '77,'78,or '79 sets? Do we all need to compare our sets to the check lists? Personally, I'm in a panic! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: meyergray To: JEdward@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? The McBride is not an error, but is part of the 79 Burger King Phyllis set. The set has twenty three cards, with some different poses then the regular cards. There was also a BK Yankees set the same year, and several other team sets from starting from 77 and running into the 80s. John Scott Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: JEdward@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 4:41 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documentedanswer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything onit so maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I wentto put #21 Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. Ichecked my Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 20:20:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Burger King To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Judging from the SCD entries, yes. I see these BK sets with no differentiation between the normal Topps issue: 1977 Yanks 1978 Astros 1978 Rangers 1978 Tigers 1978 Yanks 1979 Phillies 1979 Yanks The 1980 sets include the BK logo, making things much easier. All of the above sets have 22 numbered cards and an unnumbered checklist, except for 1977 Yanks, which added a #23 Piniella in later printings. So anything up to #22 for those teams is fair game. --- Sean McGowan wrote: > Ok, so does this mean that any one of us could have a burger king issue in the first 20 or so > cards of > our '77,'78,or '79 sets? Do we all need to compare our sets to the check lists? Personally, > I'm in > a panic! :) > Sean Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 00:13:15 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: seanobc@comcast.net, JEdward@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Naw, nothing to worry about there. From what I see from the Yankees set, the numbers appear to be a little larger than the Topps counterparts also. The numbers don't match up at all with the Topps versions. ================= To: Subject: Tacoma Dome Show Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 22:12:45 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Having read the reports by Big Al and Spike, I guess I should submit my report, tardy as it is. I did my main shopping Friday, as is my habit. Ran into Big Al and his entourage. At the oddball dealer's table I picked up two of the three 1953 Viewmaster Baseball reels. Included was the pamphlet for one of them. I figured I couldn't go wrong for 10 bucks. At Mark Macrae's I picked up 7 of the 8 Broder PCL "Popcorn" cards I needed. That brings me down to only one remaining on that set of 235 cards. I also picked up a couple of really nice Seattle Obak cards. At another dealer's table, I scored a few for the dupe I went back to the show on Saturday expressly to hunt down the elusive Spike. Circumstances conspired to prevent an early departure, and I had to thread my way through the crawlings of three separate freeway accidents, including a multiple car chain collision. Alas, by the time I hit the Dome, Spike had vanished. I hadn't warned him I was coming so I can't blame him fornot hanging around when he was done. It wasn't a wasted trip anyway. I went back to the oddball dealer and picked up a 3 VHS tape set of "Baseball in the News" from 1951 - 1967. Sounds like three hours of great entertainment to me. Also picked up a type card - a '45-'46 Cuban Caramel card. Pretty Yes, the show does appear to be shrinking each time. Pretty soon they willbe able to move out of the Dome and into a trailer in the parking lot. Sadly, the next one to go will be the famous oddball dealer. Next Dome show is his last. At least we will still have Macrae. Lord help us when he decides to no longer make the trek up the coast. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:27:04 EST Subject: 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com I suppose this is a dumb question which probably has a well documented answer somewhere right under my nose, but I can't seem to find anything on it so maybe someone can help. Just a little bit ago I sent out a thanks to the thanks server for some 1979 Topps I recieved from Cap. As is my usuall system, after sending out thanks I then put the cards away. When I went to put #21 Bake McBride away, his spot was occupied by #21 Kevin Kobel. I checked my Standard Catalog of BB cards and #21 is listed as Kevin Kobel. There's no mention of error cards. Bake McBride should be #630 which I also have and that card is identical to the #21 Bake McBride card except for the number. Obviously, I have an error card, but why dosn't my SCBBC list it? How many other such errors are there in this set? Is there a good sorce of information on this topic? ================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 02:59:19 EST Subject: email problems To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com Thanks to all who answered my question about the 1979 Topps Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride cards. My email seems to be taking on a life of its own and doing some strange things, like sending out the same email again. Sorry for the repeat email that just went out. I hope it don't send it any more since my question has been answered by a number of people. Please disregard my last email. ================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 08:44:23 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Russell Collection From: Jerry Coker > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 18:21:24 EST > From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com > Subject: cool link > I stumbled upon this link today and thought y'all might enjoy it - a nice > online exhibit and write up of Georgia Senator Richard B. Russell's T-card > collection... > http://www.libs.uga.edu/russell/online-exhibits/baseball/about.html > (My apologies if it's been posted before.) > Happy Collecting! > Jim Hi Jim: My Dad and I went to see this exhibit last year. It's a pretty cool collection. I seem to remember he had a bunch of the scarcer T-206 Southern League players as well as some neat non-baseball stuff. All in all it's a great collection to see. This reminds me of a story that a local pawn shop owner told me a couple years ago. I don't know if it's true, but he did have some cards on display, and was asking rediculus prices for the cards. He said that one day he went to one of the many local recycle dumpster areas here in Athens. As he was backing up his truck to get closer to one of the dumpsters he happened to look down at the ground so that he wouldn't back his tire over a nail or something. He sees this odd looking box that he is about to run over, and in fear that the box might have something in it that would damage his tires he stops the truck and proceeds to move the box out of the way. Well...when he goes to pick up the box he notices that it's an old cigar box. So he decides to open the lid and see if anything is inside. To his amazement there are a bunch of T205 Gold Borders, including Cobb, Mathewson, etc. Now I don't know if this is a true story but I do know that OBC friendly dealor Mark Argo (in Madison. GA), has a similar story which I know is true. He had an older fellow come into his card shop years ago with an old cigar box full of T-206's and T205's. And Mark being the good guy that he is told the gentlemen that he had quite a treasure of valuable old baseball cards (including some Cobb's, I think). Mark ended up buying the cards at fair market value. It's fun to listen to Mark tell the story because his eyes light up and he still gets kind of excited. I belive most of those cards are in Mark's private collection :) Jerry Coker ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 07:54:49 -0600 From: "meyergray" My friends, I would double check your sets just in case -- I had two Burger King Yankees in my regular 77 Topps set before I realized my mistake. That was why I added that set to my wantlist -- since I already had two I figured I ought to finish it! I looked upon it less as a problem and more like an opportunity! Be happy, John Scott Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: seanobc@comcast.net ; JEdward@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Topps #21 Kevin Kobel/Bake McBride ? Naw, nothing to worry about there. From what I see from the Yankees set,the numbers appear to be a little larger than the Topps counterparts also.The numbers don't match up at all with the Topps versions. ================= Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 19:25:22 EST Subject: Upcoming Richmond Show To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Who's planning to go to the Richmond Show at the fairgrounds on Dec 12-14? I should be there on Saturday the 13th. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 02:49:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Canadian issues From: "mikesportsfan" Last weekend as most of you know I was in Toronto. I have filed most everything away and updated my wantlists, both on OBC and OPCC (a group of OPC BB collectors that Dan & Steve started). I may have found a variation in 1974 OPC BB, although it may just be a stray print dot, making a 3 look like an 8. The card in question is a Bobby Bonds. Should be card 30, but I have one that looks like #80. One area that I made progress on in Toronto was hockey matchbooks from the 30s. There are approx. 300 different that were issued and I now have about 70 different. The problem is in distinguishing the various types apart. I have a Charlton Hockey guide. There explanation of the difference between type 5 and 6 does not do it for me. Does anyone have a Beckett annual hockey guide or some other source that might help me distinguish these types? Anyone else collecting these? Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 05:43:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Paypal Scams From: "alcattle" I know I am not one of the sharpest tacks in the toolbox but How did Paypal know I have an account on Earthlink? I never told them. And why would a big company like Paypal have a email address at @gte and even worse @hotmail. Three of this one today, how can people be so dumb?? And so what if Payapl closes my account .... Thank you!!! Do you think EvilBay will be next, think of the money I will save. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:56:38 +0800 To: alcattle Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Paypal Scams From: Lynn Miller Al, Those are not from PayPal. There are numerous unscrupulous parties who send emails that look like the real thing. They are not. PayPal and eBay will tell you that they will never send an email asking you to log into your account and provide personal or financial information. When you receive such an email for PayPal or eBay, ignore the senders instructions. Instead, forward the email to spoof@paypal.com or spoof@ebay.com Don't reply to the email. Forwarding it keeps the header information for PayPal and eBay to investigate the source. Lynn alcattle wrote: >I know I am not one of the sharpest tacks in the toolbox but How did >Paypal know I have an account on Earthlink? I never told them. And >why would a big company like Paypal have a email address at @gte and >even worse @hotmail. Three of this one today, how can people be so >dumb?? And so what if Payapl closes my account .... Thank you!!! Do >you think EvilBay will be next, think of the money I will save. >Big Al in Seattle >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 19 Nov 2003 22:41:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay scam???? From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Got an email today from CustomerSupport@eBay.com saying that they suspect that someone has been trying to hack into my account . They request that I log into the link provided and give them my account info. They inform me that if I refuse to do so, they will suspend my account. Moreover they request that I not change anything on my account for the next 72 hours. Does this sound suspicious or what??? ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 15:21:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Pah, what jokers. Unfortunately, my brother was snagged by one of those, but every single email like those below is a scam, since eBay only sends transaction-related emails, account statements, and user policy agreements. They will contact you by other means (they have your address and phone, after all) if they truly have concerns about your account. --- "obcjohn@knology.net" wrote: > Got an email today from CustomerSupport@eBay.com saying that > they suspect that someone has been trying to hack into my account . > They request that I log into the link provided and give them my account > info. They inform me that if I refuse to do so, they will suspend my > account. Moreover they request that I not change anything on my > account for the next 72 hours. > Does this sound suspicious or what??? > Bama Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 23:26:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ebay scam???? From: "alcattle" Yes, it sounds phony as heck. I doubt I would respond, I would send the complete Email to Ebay, and just in case I would change my password. Every site I have ever heard of asks you to log on to the normal site (www.ebay.com) and go to the customer service area if there is a problem. One way I check is to hold your mouse over the link, it will show a lot of extra data in the URL, this redirects your info to the "spoofed" site. Use to be "Buyer Beware" now you have to be double cautious as it is so easy to set these phony scams up. Don't Bite!! Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "obcjohn@k..." > Got an email today from CustomerSupport@e... saying that > they suspect that someone has been trying to hack into my account . > They request that I log into the link provided and give them my > info. They inform me that if I refuse to do so, they will suspend > account. Moreover they request that I not change anything on my > account for the next 72 hours. > Does this sound suspicious or what??? > Bama ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:20:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum From: Jerry Coker I just realised the copy of the above book that I got from our local library has a bunch of pages cut out of it :( Can anyone send me a copy of this book as a loaner? I'll send it right back after I read the pages that I'm missing :) JLMK. Thanks! Jerry Coker ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My Friend Ken Brett Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:17:15 -0800 From: "Michael Kinney" Ken was a great neighbor and friend- our daughter's were school buddies until about 3 yrs ago when they moved to Spokane. Ken and family were there for us when we lost our oldest daughter, Kim. Ken was a huge Casey Stengel fan. I managed to dig up a few cards for him- a couple Playball and Bowman's. Ken was blown away- I'll never forget the look on his face when I gave him the cards. Several weeks later, he'd been in Missouri at a family gathering, and presented me with a tube sock containing a couple of Baseballs. One was signed "George Brett", the other signed "to my good friend, Mike- George Brett". I asked Ken to sign them- he declined, saying- I wouldn't want to hurt the value". We laughed! He did sign a picture and a Rookie card for me though. When we talked about his career, he was proudest of the four home run record- he didn't think that would be broken any time soon. Keep Teresa, his wife, and Casey and Sheridan, his twins in your prayers. Thanks! Mike K Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ================= To: "'Michael Kinney'" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My Friend Ken Brett Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 18:22:53 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Mike...correct me if I am wrong....didn't Ken homer in four consecutive Ken was a great neighbor and friend- our daughter's were school buddies until about 3 yrs ago when they moved to Spokane. Ken and family were for us when we lost our oldest daughter, Kim. Ken was a huge Casey fan. I managed to dig up a few cards for him- a couple Playball and Bowman's. Ken was blown away- I'll never forget the look on his face when I gave him the cards. Several weeks later, he'd been in Missouri at a gathering, and presented me with a tube sock containing a couple of Baseballs. One was signed "George Brett", the other signed "to my good friend, Mike- George Brett". I asked Ken to sign them- he declined, I wouldn't want to hurt the value". We laughed! He did sign a picture and a Rookie card for me though. When talked about his career, he was proudest of the four home run record- he didn't think that would be broken any time soon. Keep Teresa, his wife, and Casey and Sheridan, his twins in your Thanks! Mike K Say "goodbye" to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:03:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I have great news!! I got the same scam notice a few weeks ago. I did nothing and my account did not get suspected. They ought to lock these jokers up. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 03:44:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ebay scam???? From: "alcattle" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Traderdoug@a... wrote: > I have great news!! I got the same scam notice a few weeks ago. I > nothing and my account did not get suspected. They ought to lock these jokers up. > - Doug I doubt anyone got suspended, but you are always a suspect, Doug! Some Boy Scout, next they will say Micheal Jackson is an Eagle scout Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:59:20 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Heilenman To: Traderdoug@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? I have been getting them for awhile now it seems. At least one or two a day. On one it asked for my user name and password. I put a fake name and password in and it took me to a lookalike ebay page asking me for the rest of my info. Goes to show , that they don't even have a list of user id's , otherwise it would say invalid id or something to that effect. ----- Original Message ----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obcjohn@knology.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? I have great news!! I got the same scam notice a few weeks ago. I did nothing and my account did not get suspected. They ought to lock these jokers up. - Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Traderdoug@aol.com" , obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 20:43:34 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Whenever I get these emails, I just give them Saint Al's info... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: obcjohn@knology.net;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 11/19/2003 7:03:33 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay scam???? I have great news!! I got the same scam notice a few weeks ago. I did nothing and my account did not get suspected. They ought to lock these jokers up. - Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 22:40:47 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay stuff From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, My 2 cents... I've had my share of these Ebay (or supposedly) e-mails... On any legit eBay bid confirmation/item won...it always states that they will NOT ask for "sensitive" info such as ID or password via e-mail. If you receive such...it's gar-bahhggee...my rule of thumb anyway!! Doug...OBC...'nuff said ================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 05:43:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Friend Ken Brett To: Michael Kinney , From: Terry Dietrick I was a fan of Ken Brett. I remember going to 3 Rivers Stadium, when Ken was with the Pirates. If memory serves correctly, and trying to remember 30 years ago it may not, but I beleive Ken pitched the first game of the double header and then pinch hit in the second game and hit a triple! That's when I became a big fan of Ken Brett. God Rest His Soul. Peace, Terry Michael Kinney wrote:Ken was a great neighbor and friend- our daughter's were school buddies until about 3 yrs ago when they moved to Spokane. Ken and family were there for us when we lost our oldest daughter, Kim. Ken was a huge Casey Stengel fan. I managed to dig up a few cards for him- a couple Playball and Bowman's. Ken was blown away- I'll never forget the look on his face when I gave him the cards. Several weeks later, he'd been in Missouri at a family gathering, and presented me with a tube sock containing a couple of Baseballs. One was signed "George Brett", the other signed "to my good friend, Mike- George Brett". I asked Ken to sign them- he declined, saying- I wouldn't want to hurt the value". We laughed! He did sign a picture and a Rookie card for me though. When we talked about his career, he was proudest of the four home run record- he didn't think that would be broken any time soon. Keep Teresa, his wife, and Casey and Sheridan, his twins in your prayers. Thanks! Mike K Say “goodbye” to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now ================= To: "Michael Kinney" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Friend Ken Brett Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 08:54:19 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Your memory is very good! From Retrosheet http://www.retrosheet.org/ May 27, 1974 5-27-1974 1 BOX+PBP Vs SD N W 6- 0 Brett (5-3) Jones (3-8) 5-27-1974 2 BOX+PBP Vs SD N W 8- 7 Tekulve (1-0) McAndrew PIRATES 7TH: Sanguillen singled to Winfield; Popovich singled to Tolan [Sanguillen to third]; BRETT BATTED FOR TAVERAS; Brett tripled [Sanguillen scored, Popovich scored]; OLIVER BATTED FOR KISON; HARDY REPLACED SPILLNER (PITCHING); Oliver doubled to Tolan [Brett scored]; ELLIS RAN FOR OLIVER; Stennett popped to Alou; TOMLIN REPLACED HARDY (PITCHING); Kirkpatrick singled to Tolan [Ellis to third]; Hebner made an out to Roberts; CORKINS REPLACED TOMLIN (PITCHING); Zisk doubled to Winfield [Ellis scored, Kirkpatrick scored]; Robertson grounded out (Hernandez to Alou); 5 R, 6 H, 0 E, 1 LOB. Padres 3, Pirates 6. ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Dietrick To: Michael Kinney ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Friend Ken Brett I was a fan of Ken Brett. I remember going to 3 Rivers Stadium, when Ken was with the Pirates. If memory serves correctly, and trying to remember 30years ago it may not, but I beleive Ken pitched the first game of the double header and then pinch hit in the second game and hit a triple! That's when I became a big fan of Ken Brett. God Rest His Soul. Peace, Terry Michael Kinney wrote: Ken was a great neighbor and friend- our daughter's were school buddies until about 3 yrs ago when they moved to Spokane. Ken and family were there for us when we lost our oldest daughter, Kim. Ken was a huge Casey Stengel fan. I managed to dig up a few cards for him- a couple Playball and Bowman's. Ken was blown away- I'll never forget the look on his face when gave him the cards. Several weeks later, he'd been in Missouri at a family gathering, and presented me with a tube sock containing a couple of Baseballs. One was signed "George Brett", the other signed "to my good friend, Mike- George Brett". I asked Ken to sign them- he declined, saying- I wouldn't want to hurt the value". We laughed! He did sign a picture and a Rookie card for me though. Whenwe talked about his career, he was proudest of the four home run record- he didn't think that would be broken any time soon. Keep Teresa, his wife, and Casey and Sheridan, his twins in your prayers. Thanks! Mike K Say "goodbye" to busy signals and slow downloads with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 14:04:57 EST Subject: T-205 help To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com well, with all the discussion about the wilhelm, etc. here is what I need to start putting together a printing discussion. I thought that there might only be three printings but it now looks like there were three major printings with some factories and four with others, darn it...here is what I am looking for: A list of factory designations for the different backs (including drum and hindu if someone has that). If at all possible a list of your t-205 cards w/ back advertising and factory Does anyone know how big the T-205 (or T-206) sheets were. How many cards were contained across a row and down a row. This would help me the most. I am going to compile all my research and try to put together how the cards may have been printed. Anybody who helps will get honorable mention when i finish and possibly published. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:03:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Wire List #2 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, Packages went out earlier this week from this waiver wire list and the following are still up for grabs: 1956 Topps Baseball - 82,165(GB) 1957 Topps Baseball - 16,113,158,176,204,231,239,251,253,352 1958 Topps Baseball - 1961 Fleer - 60(2),88 Thanks for looking and if you find anything you need; please include mailing address to speed things up. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 00:55:52 -0500 (EST) To: VCT@YahooGroups.com Subject: BOOKS!/Jumbo Brown 295 LBS From: keithsummers@webtv.net According to Bill James new book Baseball Historical Abstract, Jumbo Brown is the heaviest MLB player ever at 295. He states Cecil Fielder claims 261 but that is probably with only one foot on the scale :-) More info on the book soon. BTW, Aaron Gibson is the heaviest NFL guy ever at 186KG (what does that= in LBS?). Speaking of books, there is a used book at the local trader about the Boston Red Sox. I do not remember the title or info but can find out or obtain the book if anyone is interested. I also saw a book on Jim Plunkett there ($6 I think). They sell at half publishing price, plus .40 per book fee. I traded for 2 books today including The American Premium Guide to Baseball Cards 1880-1981. It was missing the back cover but I got it for about $6 in trade of 4 paperbacks I didn't want! I also acquired The Sportscard Bible (1975/1st printing?) by Bert Sugar after one of you mentioned getting it recently. I paid $14 total for mine however but it was one rare book not in my collection, that I had been wanting. I also picked up recently Frank Slocum's book Baseball Cards of the 50s! One of you (Dave Hornish? George V?) has a massive collection of reference books on baseball/cards that you posted once & I'm catching up! No not just those few above I added...... I ALSO added another 40 baseball/football/card books earlier this week! I will be getting 3-6 more by Saturday when I go back to the book trader. I think I better get some book shelves for Christmas :-) ================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:37:34 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: trivia answers #8-#10 From: keithsummers@webtv.net #8 HR total = a musclecar car. The answer I was looking for was Cutlass 442 which is Dave Kingman's HR total. But the Chrysler 300 also works for Chuck Klein I was told (by Lindholme/Biggs/ Trufan//Wattingy) , so both count! So 8.5 of 15 got this one right. Why 15 now & 14 earlier. Well Carl Mura had made the deadline & I printed his answers but had not put them with the other 14 contestants until I discovered them still on my printer. Four got Kingman/442 (Mayo/Grant /Reed/Tery D). Other guesses went to Eddie Murray (Spike), Willie Mays (JSG), 409 (Sean) & Yaz (Carl M) but none of those guys HR total equals a muscle car AFAIK. I gave Kit a half point as he guessed Colovito 442. #9 Bill Veeck is the owner who had his team take the filed in mining helmets to protest the poor lighting! Points go to Wattingy/Stuffle/Terry D/Lidholme/Spike/ Reed/ Mayo/Kit/ MSF). That is 9 of 15. Connie Mack got 2 votes. #10 The late 80s RF with "no speed" but pretty good power AND 1 of the best 4 arms EVER according to Bob Watson..... not Dave Parker (he HAD speed). But he DID have a canon! Bonilla? Not a bad guess but not on Watson's list. Van Slyke? No, he had some speed. Other guesses were Bonds (great speed) & George Hendrick. Terry D & Bob Reed were the only ones who got it right. Glenn Wilson! And I saw this guy a few times in RF, as he was on my fantasy team for a dime & YES he has a CANON for an arm! He'd hit 9-12 HRs with 42-50 RBIs & no SB (about like Darrell Evans in the late 80s). But in a 10 team NL only pool of talent, that was worth a dime! ================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:56:12 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: The New Bill James Historical Baseball Abstract-2001 From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:33:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: need memphis aba 70's cards From: "mark zentkovich" 71/'72 - Memphis Pros > 158 Charlie Williams > 168 Wilbert Jones > 176 Gerald Govin > 185 James Jones > 203 Craig Raymond > 212 Lee Davis > 223 Al Cueto > '72/'73 - Memphis Tams > 193 Wilbert Jones > 221 George Thompson > '73/'74 - Memphis Tams > 185 George Thompson > 229 Warren Davis > 243 Johnny Neumann > '75/'76 - Memphis Sounds > (NOTE: the team was disbanded before the start of this > season) > 301 Billy Shepherd ================= Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 08:55:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading From: Jerry Coker Fr. Patrick Wattigny wrote: > Jerry, > I've got one down here in New Orleans, and can send it up as a > loaner! It is a hysterical book, so I'll be glad to share it! > Father Pat I'm sending this via Ramblings in hopes that Father Pat will see this email. I'm having problems sending to Father Pat's email address. Father Pat...that would be great! It is a very funny book. I'll return it as soon as I'm done reading the pages I missed from the library book. My address is: Jerry Coker 198 Clyde Rd. Athens, GA. Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 15:42:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hope this does not affect OBC From: "mikesportsfan" I received a notice from AOL today that my E-mail address and PW were stolen. This was not a scam. I could not even sign in initially today. I only had to change my PW to get back in. They informed me that my "account" was sending out spam. I also got back a number of "bounced" E-mails from people I did not send anything to. Sorry if anyone got flooded with spam from my account. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:23:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Post Cereal Waiver Wire From: "jimbo777777" Back on the track of Post Cereal '61 and '63, got a bunch in today, resulting in some availables. Anybody want to give a good home to 1963 Ty Cline, #74, team name crossed out and replaced, 2c written next to name. 1963 Tom Cheney, #99, heavy wear and creasing, poorly cut, but at least no writing. 1962 Frank Thomas the original, #151, team name crossed out, New York Mets written in. Otherwise in pretty nice shape. 1962 Canadian Norm Larker, #113, nice shape. 1961 George Altman, #195, nice shape. 1961: All of these have significant writing across the narrative, but the pictures, stats and cut are all nice: Mossi 42, Williams 86, Hoak 130, Face 133. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:00:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 Topps Deckles up for grabs From: "jmoleta30341" Have at 'em! 6 8 9 11Wilhelm 12 14 15 17 18 19 22Staub 23 25 26 29 Some of these are not for the weak of heart, but when has that stopped OBC before? Please include your address to expedite shipping (I sound like a commercial!) Thanks, PS - I also have some 69-70 Basketball tallboys for anyone who is interested in one or all: 7 22 34 41 83 97 ================= Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:01:09 EST Subject: Sun Times show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Went to the annual show in Chicago today, and the strangest thing happened. All the usual suspects (dealers) were there, and for some reason, I just didn't feel like standing around for hours looking for an elusive "common" or haggling for a decent price on a star. Very strange! I did pick up a few hits to my lists, but the best part of the day was meeting up with KEN GOETSCH, TIM NEWCOMB and GEORGE VRECHECK. We were all supposed to meet at the same time, but Ken saw me first and showed me some terrific Green Bay Packer memorabilia. I then caught up with Tim and George, but Ken slipped away somehow. Had great coversation with those two -- it really is amazing how much knowledge we have in this group about everything baseball card related. Both of them are working on interesting articles that I will let them tell you about. A brief swap session as well, as Tim triples my have list with 2 hits to the yet to be posted 53 Bowman B&W set, while George hits the color version. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My sales on Ebay Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:13:24 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- John Pugsley emailed today with a note that he saw a 1955 lot I was auctioning on Ebay and wondering if that makes me Dealer Scum - drats, I've been detected! Actually, I figured I better make a quick clarification on any lots you see for sale by me. My wife and I sort of have an understanding about how much I should spend each month on Ebay - of course, it's never enough, but when the kids look at me all hungry-like I have to agree. However, after I've spent my allotment for the month and see a lot that I want, she will generally give in as long as I sell the rest. That way I can pull out a common I need and sell the rest of the lot and usually the net result is a common for next to nothing. That all being said, if you ever see anything of mine for sale and you want it, just bid on it. If you win, you will get the OBC discount (totally free) and she will think I sold it! As you all know, it pays to keep the Commander in Chief happy! Also, rest assured I will never sell anything I have ever received from an OBCer. These are always recycled Ebay lots that are coming in one day and out the door the next. Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:53:14 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: winner=Bob Reed! / trivia answers 11- From: keithsummers@webtv.net I'm declaring Bob Reed the winner! He got 19 of 28 correct! Unofficially, here is the rest of the results: #2=Dave Mayo:16/28 #8=Terry D:11/28 #11=Carl M:7.5/28 #14=Sean M:5/28 #15=???: 0/28 [ name protected ] ============================= #11=The answer I was looking for was OLLIE BROWN. Fred Brown of the NBA was also nicknamed that apparently so I'll count either as correct. 6 guessed Fred, 2 had no guess & 7 guessed Ollie. So 13 of 15 got it =============================== #12= NOBODY got this right! The Dodger who at one point in a season had started more fights than games (according to the Atlanta Journal) was REGGIE SMITH. Drysdale was guessed the most. Others: Roseboro, Ramon Martinez, Dempsey, Stan Williams, Sutton, Lasorda & Forster. ================================ #13=Dock Ellis was the guy who pitched a no hitter while high on LSD. Other guesses were Bill Lee (most),& Fydrich. ================================ #14=The 2 guys who basically switched wives were Yankees Fritz Peterson & Mike Kekich. Kit & Carl got .5 point for getting one name right. Other guesses were Tinker/Chance (with the comment:they worked well together) & Keith Hernandez/Tim Tuefel. ============================ #15=I did mention PLAYOFFS in my question, not CHAMPIONSHIP plus the hint was that they almost did the same thing the very next year as they came back from 3-0 to make it 3-3. So, I'm not going to count the Toronto Maple Leafs as being fully correct. I'll give .50 point (since I'm a nice guy) to Grant (Toronto) & Wattingy (NY Rangers). Toronto did come from behind 3 games to none & won the championship in 1942 (at home) vs Red Wings. But the correct answer is 1975 New York Islanders & they did it by winning game 7 on the road! The Canucks, 76ers, Red Sox, Pitt Penguins & NJ Devils also got votes. ================================ #16=Vince "Firecracker" Coleman (not freaking, not franchise, not f??? face, not flying tarpaulin, not fingers & not fairy!) FYI, he threw a firecracker after a game an injured a fan, near the end of career. ================================= #17=White guy with 100 SBs in ONE minor lg season? Lenny NAILS Dyskstra! I think he had 103 or 105 one year! Many different guesses on this one: Ty Cobb (3), Al Kaline, Brett Butler (2), Rex Hudler, Dave Collins (2), Mantle, Doug Flutie, Patek & Aparicio. ================================ #18=Bill Davis appeared on rookie cards 5 diff years! Dave Fallen emailed in this one & finished 1 for 1! Unfortunately he did not have time to do the rest he said :-( Sean McGowan has a web page with the 5 cards on it by the way. =============================== #19=Red Auerbach got the most guesses. Others were Tiant, Bill Russell, Branch Rickey, Mathewson, Nick Collision (Grant & Trufan/Who IS this guy?), Whitey Ford, Ed Figuroa & El Duque. I'm suprised more closers were not named like Rob Dibble or Trevor Hoffman. Anyway, the correct answer is CHUCK 7'5 NEVITT! Nobody got this one right. #20-#28 soon which will close this out. Congrats to Bob Reed who will be getting an OBC hat & OBC keychain! Plus I'll throw in some hits I've owed him since about the time Nevitt retired! ============================== ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:30:58 -0800 Subject: Re: pitch backs From: Peter Iversen Just got back to read all my RAMBLINGS mail and etc. - in LA it was called a: "LARRY SHERRY PITCH BACK" - after his MVPness of the '59 WS We had one and I remember barely being able to hit it with the tennis ball - not much has changed in 40 some years... The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 03:10:36 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: #20 to #28 (finally) From: keithsummers@webtv.net #20=Herb Washington 1974 & 1975 A's. Stole 31 bases (.646 pct) in 105 games over 2 years. Ran 50 yards in 5.1 (1970), 60 yards in 5.8 (World indoor record 2-12-72), 100 yards in 9.4 (1972). Deion supposedly had the fastest time ever at the NFL combine I think (4.1?). Or was it Joey Galloway? Spartan hint was because he was 4 time NCAA All American at Michigan State. Other guesses were Cool Papa Bell, Willie Mays (no way Chris!), Bobby Bonds, Kirk Gibson (Kit/Wattingy), Bo Jackson (good guess Grant! I hadn't thought about him.) & Ron Leflore (very fast!) ============================== #21=Ron Cey=The Penguin ============================== #22=Boog Powell supposedly had a Billy Ripken 89 Fleer type card in 61, 62 or 63 where someone drew a pic on his bat end that resembled a part of the male body. I don't have the card. Anyone care to send a scan? Seems like I have only heard this from one guy before & seems like I saw it once & I didn't think it really looked like anything too much. And based on the fact that nobody got it right, maybe it is really nothing. Don Landrum's open fly card (66-67?) got the most votes. Here again I should have worded the question better :-( =============================== #23= Bob Watson DID mention Clemente as one of the 4 best arms ever in RF. However, he did not wear #23. The correct answer I was looking for was OLLIE BROWN! Yes Bob Watson said that Glenn Wilson, Ollie Brown, Roberto Clemente & one other guy, had the 4 best RF arms he has ever saw. The 4th guy...well it is in an article I cut out stuck somewhere with the Fulton County UD HR answer :-) It MAY have been Dave Parker (Did he have a canon?) And this was in the late 80s I think so it was probably before he saw much of Larry Walker & Vlad Guererro etc.. Jim Wynn, Ellis Valentine, Champ Summers, Jesse Barfield, Barry Bonds, Bonilla, Dwight Evans, RJ Reynolds & Steve Kemp also got votes. =============================== #24=Harry Caray got the most votes but it was MILO (Holy Toledo!) HAMILTON that supposedly got fired/released for commenting about Aaron's lack of hustle or such. ================================= #25=Iron Man Joe McGinity (Iron Joe) pitched 3 double headers in one month & won all 6 games! Cy Young, Hoyt Wilhelm, Lefty Grove, Johnny Van De Mere, Mathewson & Grover Alexander also got votes. ================================ #26=Don Baylor got caught 1st trying to steal twice in 1 inning! Others have since that time in 75 or so. Seems like he had a few HBPs too :-) ================================= #27=Juan Samuel had 701 ABs his rookie year! Many diff guesses one this ================================ #28= And now the last one (hold the sarcastic applause!) One guy struck out 11 STRAIGHT times in 1984! Not Rick Camp or Rob Deer. Votes came in for Gorman Thomas (very good guess MSF/Biggs/Mayo!), Dave "442" Kingman (4/this is also a very good guess), Tony Armas, Reggie (4/very good guess), any Indian (Trufan) & Pete Incaviglia. But none of those were right! Only 1 person guessed correctly. Not suprisingly he also won the contest (Bob Reed). The guy: Steve Balboni. =============================== Hopefully whoever does the next trivia contest (hint!) won't screw up as many of them as I did. About 6 of mine needed to be worded better or such. Oh well it was fun! ================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 04:25:41 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: math genius wanted! / "Forgotten in time" page on Herb (click below) From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 18:38:21 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ken Brett From: Robert Neill First chance to catch up on the mail. I too was saddened at the early death of Ken Brett. Growing up in the 60's and early 70's in Philadelphia I very distinctly remember when Ken hit those 4 HRs in 4 consecutive games. But I'm almost certain I remember an even more amazing footnote to the story. I haven't seen it mentioned in any of the stories about him, and I'll admit, my memories of 30 years ago may be somewhat questionable, but I'm pretty certain that in the 5th game in that streak he hit another HR. The problem was that it hit beyond the fence and bounced back onto the field of play. Apparently the umpire missed the call, thought it hit the wall and Ken ended up with a single or double, instead of a 5th straight game with a HR. I distinctly (think) I remember listening to the game on my transistor radio and Richie Ashburn complaining about how Ken was robbed on the play. Not sure, but I think the game was televised somewhere and replays showed it really was a HR. Does anyone else (Howard maybe--sorry Josh, it clearly was before your time) remember that? ================= To: Subject: Warren Spahn Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 15:33:15 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Very sad to hear of the passing of this great. Decorated WWII vet, got a late start in the bigs, but still managed to win 363 games. Even hit some 35 dingers. In the late '60's he was here in Vancouver at a Triple A game, I think as a roving pitching instructor. I took his last card ('65 I think) to the park, and since you could easily access the players, asked him to sign it. He took the card and said "I have always hated that picture." I guess I must have looked devastated when he said that, because he quickly said "It's okay, I'll sign it anyways." Unfortunately, that card went its own way somewhere along the line. Thanks, Warren. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:12:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Warren Spahn To: Grant Rainsley From: Michael Wierzbicki I too was very sad to hear of Spahn's passing. I grew up in Milwaukee in the 1950s-1960s. Spahn was was one the foundations of the old Milwaukee Braves. I remember attending "Spahnie Day" in his last season in Milwaukee (the one day that I got a foul ball). When Miller Park opened three seasons ago, Spahnie was one of the players who threw out a ceremonial first pitch. Of course, he tried to use his high leg-kick. Unfortunately, his 79-year-old body wasn'y up to it. Still, he got a great reception. Mike W Grant Rainsley wrote: st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Very sad to hear of the passing of this great. Decorated WWII vet, got a late start in the bigs, but still managed to win 363 games. Even hit some 35 dingers. In the late ‘60’s he was here in Vancouver at a Triple A game, I think as a roving pitching instructor. I took his last card (’65 I think) to the park, and since you could easily access the players, asked him to sign it. He took the card and said “I have always hated that picture.” I guess I must have looked devastated when he said that, because he quickly said “It’s okay, I’ll sign it anyways.” Unfortunately, that card went its own way somewhere along the line. Thanks, Warren… Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 01:46:46 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Warren Spahn From: digdugdig@webtv.net Unfortunately, I was too young to see Warren pitch but from archive footage, etc. ...loved that wind-up!! One of my personal favorites!! When myself, the familytoad, and another dear friend made the excursion to Cooperstown in 1995 for Mike Schmidt and Richie Ashburns' inducion weekend, we had the pleasure to meet up with the man, just "strolling" down the street, shaking everyone's hand, and making the comment.." I feel like a freeking politician"!! Some things ya never forget...and that 3 day, mini vacation, will live as long as i do...due to company, sights, sounds, and just flat out having the time of my life!! And just meeting Warren Spahn, even for a brief moment, was a big part of it. ================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 11:17:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Warren Spahn To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I too am saddened by the passing of Warren Spahn. He was a fantastic pitcher and a class guy. I had occasion to meet Mr. Spahn once at a show. I almost never pay for an autograph as I prefer just to meet and shake hands. Spahn was nice enough to shake my hand and talk to me for a few moments. Very nice and funny. Sort of sarcastic too, very much like me. He will be missed. ================= Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 21:28:56 EST Subject: Question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com A question for anyone. Does anyone have had or does deal with or know who is the Ebayer, usctrojans ?? He is really getting under my skin for trying to get hi number 72's. John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: Subject: going to ny Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 19:38:58 -0800 From: "terry ellis" hi all, im going to ny dec 20th till jan 2nd. will be in westchester countyand sound beach long island. would love to meet up with any obcers for dining, chit chat or a card show. lmk so I can try to set a schedule. thanks kit ================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:43:12 EST Subject: Re: going to NY To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Terry's note has remined me I was talking about an OBC LI get together a few months ago. I am giving some thought to attempting this the week after Christmas, although it depends on a few things: 1) My wife's OK 2) The general state of the house following Christmas 3) Our not taking a short vacation trip (up in the air at the moment) 4) If anyone has allergies to cats (we have 2) or dogs (one, short-haired--and insane) 5) The size of such a gathering Is there any interest in a LI get together? I'd like to gauge interest before using up all/most of my goodwill with my wife, as the holiday season is usually stressful for her. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:24:38 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- Any word yet on the OBC Xmas? Was it Jeff S running it, I already forgot! Anyway, we need to get on it pretty quick if folks want their presents by Xmas Eve... Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:50:58 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Was just thinking the same thing! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geno Wagner" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 2:24 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange > OBCers -- > Any word yet on the OBC Xmas? Was it Jeff S running it, I already forgot! > Anyway, we need to get on it pretty quick if folks want their presents by > Xmas Eve... > Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) To: illini90@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange From: Originaleek@webtv.net Yes, who better to be in charge of Secret Santa then the Sack-man. My understanding was that he was giving us until Thanksgiving to let him know if we were in. I for one can't wait to get my victim! Happy Thanksgiving to all in OBCland. We keep what we give away! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 00:26:23 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Indeed, I was aiming to stop accepting entries right about now. Unless I get far too distracted by the pies being baked in my apartment (not by me, but partly for my consumption ), I should let everybody know who their victim is by the end of this evening. Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: illini90@earthlink.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 16:59:51 -0500 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.84]) by mc10-f14.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 26 Nov 2003 14:00:34 -0800 Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Nov 2003 21:59:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 22581 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2003 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.167) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Nov 2003 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net) (209.240.204.195) by mta6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2003 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net (storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net [209.240.212.175])by smtpout-3104.bay.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTPid 23DC410582; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:59:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id NAA28807; Wed, 26 Nov 2003 13:59:51 -0800 (PST) X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGFaHzlZYIu2IthtlyRpzoY X-Sender: OriginalEEK@webtv.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <6777-3FC52257-1058@storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "Geno Wagner" 's message of Wed, 26 Nov 2003 11:24:38 -0800 X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 209.240.204.195 X-eGroups-From: OriginalEEK@webtv.net (Earl Kilbourn) X-Yahoo-Profile: originaleek2002 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2003 22:00:34.0321 (UTC) Yes, who better to be in charge of Secret Santa then the Sack-man. My understanding was that he was giving us until Thanksgiving to let him know if we were in. I for one can't wait to get my victim! Happy Thanksgiving to all in OBCland. We keep what we give away! Set yourself up for fun at home! Get tips on home entertainment equipment, video game reviews, and more here. http://special.msn.com/home/homeent.armx ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa exchange UPDATE!!! (Please read...) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:12:02 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Everybody who signed up for the OBC Santa gift exchange should have just received an e-mail from me. This e-mail lets you know who your 'victim' is. It also asks that you confirm the message...I ask you to do this because every year a handful of people let me know in mid-December that they never got my message, and then a couple people end up completely forgotten on Christmas. I want to avoid all of that! Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com Share holiday photos without swamping your Inbox. Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa -- e-mail help! Wattigny, Mura, Greenwood Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 01:15:04 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Sorry for the e-mail bombardment...but remember, my three e-mails is roughly equal to the introduction of one of Ken's :). I am working from a slightly old directory, so I need help for the following Fr. Pat Wattigny -- will you please e-mail me so I can send you your victim. Carl Mura -- I tried to send to cjmdpi@mail.goldengate.net, but it bounced. Erik Greenwood - I tried to send to greenwood@integrityonline7.com, but it Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com http://www.misterwrite.com From the hottest toys to tips on keeping fit this winter, you’ll find a range of helpful holiday info here. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ================= Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 22:02:54 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stuff, or Stuffing From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, Due to lack of hours at work the past few weeks...pretty sad when the only day you get paid for a full 8 hours is the day you DON'T go in!!! ... I've curbed the budget and passed on buying a turkey for So I've decided to go with some Louis Rich turkey hotdogs instead. Man...these things are not easy to stuff!! Takes some real talent!!! And I thought BBQing eggs was tough!! (Gotta be quick with the spatula!!). OK...OK...just kidding (not about the work though). Just don't tell me to go get stuffed 'cause...well...I already plan on it!!!(g). HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!! ================= Date: 27 Nov 2003 18:16:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy Thanksgiving From: "obcjohn@knology.net" From Biscuitland to all OBCers, Having a happy and safe Thanksgiving holiday and thanks to the people who make OBC the special group it is, YOU!!! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wantlist updates Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:07:35 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- For those of you who haven't updated your lists in awhile and are doing the Xmas exchange, this weekend might be a good time to make sure you're Happy T-Day! Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 16:20:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1961 Post Availables From: "jimbo777777" Still closing in on those impossible '61 Posties. As a result of the quest, got four looking for new homes: #60 Mudcat Grant, #85 Marv Throneberry, #112 Juan Pizarro, and #178 Curt Flood. Flood is miscut, and a bit worn around the edges, the other three hae writing across the narrative, but the pictures and stats are nice. Anybody want to give my orphans a good home? ================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:34:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One more postie available.... From: "jimbo777777" Still looking for a good home, 1961 Post #14, Ryne Duren, in similar condition to the others, writing across the narrative, piecture and stats in good shape. Ryne threw out the first pitch for a game at our local NYP (Class A- SS) stadium this summer. As some of you old-timers might've guessed, it went halfway up the backstop. I predicted it, and all the younguns in my area went nuts, wondering how I knew..... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2768690478: 1909 T206 ED WALSH BV $400 Chicago White Sox Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 09:34:31 PST From: familytoad@harborside.com This is a tough ( and very rough) T205 hit for you collectors out there, mis-labeled as a T206 which could work out for your benefit. This Walsh card often ends up on the latest part of the T205 WL's !! Enjoy, Brian Title of item: 1909 T206 ED WALSH BV $400 Chicago White Sox Starts: Nov-25-03 13:44:47 PST Ends: Dec-02-03 13:44:47 PST Price: Starts at $9.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2768690478 Item Description: I just acquired a very LARGE collection of T205, T206 and other tobacco baseball cards. Most are off-grade. These are all ORIGINAL baseball cards which were collected by a gentleman in the early 1900's. I Guarantee the authenticity. This auction is for an ED WALSH 1909 T206 card!! The back is "PIEDMONT". Book value is $400 for EX-MT. I will let the bidders decide what it's worth in this condition. I will start the bidding at $9.99 with NO RESERVE!! Winning bidder to pay $3 for insured 1st Class mail delivery to United States ONLY. PLEASE DON'T BID IF YOU DON'T PLAN TO PAY - I'VE HAD WAY TOO MANY NON-PAYING BIDDERS LATELY. Also, check out my other auctions as I will be listing more tobacco baseball cards everyday, including TY COBB!! Win multiple auctions and save $ on combined shipping!! Thanks, Mark. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:21:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: AAAARGHH!!!! I HATE EBAY! To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Just completed my weekly check for any Yaz cards that I need for my collection. As luck would have it, I found a couple, a 63 Bazooka that was too rich for my blood, and a 75 SSPC (Not from the larger set, but the set of 42). The bid price, 4.99, was high, but I was willing to throw down a bid until I scrolled down to see that the shipping and handling on this ONE CARD was 6.95!!!! 8.95 if I wanted it INSURED!!! Obviously this person must be on drugs and must charge this much to feed their habit; I can't think of any other valid reason.... Sorry about the vent, but I feel a little better now. Pulse and BP dropping....thinking happy thoughts....the Sox have Schilling now.....The Yankees might lose Pettitte........there; back in my happy place..... ================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:24:24 -0500 To: battridge@kslaw.com, SChurch379@aol.com, dottie.cobb@equifax.com, Subject: Debbie's health From: brockhattox@cs.com Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:13:01 -0500 From: Debbiehattox To: Brockhattox Subject: [FWD: Debbie's health] Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 12:40:14 EST Subject: Happy Holiday and my sincere thanks! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Happy Holidays OBC!!! I just returned from a family gathering in Florence, South Carolina. All five of my Mother's children were together for Thanksgiving and it was wonderful! I had a very pleasant surprise awaiting my return home! Lynn Miller surprised me with two star cards! A 1959 Topps Brooks Robinson and a 1960 Topps Whitey Ford!!!! WOW, THANKS Lynn for the wonderful hits to my wantlist!!!!! Another Baseball Quote: "To be an American and unable to play baseball is comparable to being a Polynesian and unable to swim. It's an impossible situation." -----John Cheever from 'The National Pastime.' Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Holiday and my sincere thanks! Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 10:26:00 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" I case you ever get the urge to list " Cities in the US named Florence thatI have visited" , I have one up here in Oregon with a spare room !!! Subject: To Geordie Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:28:11 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" I cannot seem to be able to send you email directly. The unpopular Mail-Daemons keep telling me that they are sorry, but it justdidn't work out. For all other members, please forgive this interruption...sorry ! I have a very slight correction to make on my webpage URL. It shows the correct alias that I mentioned to you earlier, but the actual hperlink still points to the old URL where the updates to my webpage are falling into the cyberspace abyss. When you have a chance ( by all means, no big rush), please change the hyperlink to point to http://familytoad.tripod.com/index-WL4.html Thanks again for your fine efforts in keeping us all updated. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 02:00:23 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] identity of obak player To: Typecard@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com The Obak card pictures Justin Bennett. I am pretty sure that at the time the Obaks were printed Charlie Bennett (56 years old in 1909) was living in Detroit and enjoying watching the Tigers lose in their new stadium (Bennett Justin did make it to the majors for the Browns in 1906 and 1907. Hope this helps...