================= Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 04:27:19 -0400 To: Steve Rittenberg , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FW: my old mitt From: Mark S Talbot Hello J.P.,

Without seeing the glove it's difficult to determine age or era that it was produced. The name on the glove might prove a little easier to identify, it could be any of the following:

George McBride (Played `08 to `15)
George McDonald (1945)
George McQuillian (Played `03 to `16)
George McQuinn (Played `38 to `48)

This should narrow your search for information considerably as I believe that these are the only "George Mc....." players to have been in the Major Leagues. My more learned colleagues might know more but this is my best effort. GOOD LUCK!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
*    Mark S. Talbot
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
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Steve Rittenberg wrote:

Please reply directly to the original author....
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:09:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "JP Thew" <jpthew@yahoo.com>
Subject: my old mitt
To: advisory@oldbaseball.com
I bought an old mitt at a yard sale and was hoping you
could help me research it. It says Rawlings Claw like
the one pictured on your website. It also says George
Mc????? in the palm. I am unable to make out the rest
of the name. I was hoping you could help me with the
player's name and maybe year of the mitt.
For any help you can give me I thank you,
J.P. Thew

================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 08:55:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Damn To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 9/30/03 11:11:07 PM Central Daylight Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: Was that really the Cubs I was watching? Awsome. - Doug hey, the cubs have been like this since labor day. keep watching, i think this could happen again! gm ps look for me in the stands on friday ================= To: , Subject: Linda Fitak Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 14:23:06 -0500 From: "meyergray" My friends, Due to circumstances beyond their control, Linda Fitak and her husband Tim have not had access to a computer since the fourth of September. They hopeto have the situation resolved within the next two or three weeks, and they will post thanks for cards received at that time. They appreciate your patience. John Scott Gray ================= Date: 1 Oct 2003 23:02:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: DEALER ALERT!!! From: "obcjohn@knology.net" This a heads up if you see items on Ebay sold by bob52549 (Bob Klem, Sundance Sports Cards, Rose Hill, Kansas). I won 9 separate auctions from him (9 separate cards) and the shipping on each auction was $2. He bills me for $10 shipping which I felt was excessive. I emailed him to this effect and suggested $5 as a reasonable figure. He emails me back that I saved $8, end of conversation. He has high positive feedback but you might want to be aware of scamming on shipping for multiple auctions. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 16:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] DEALER ALERT!!! To: "obcjohn@knology.net" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Thanks for giving us his name. I can't stand the sellers who have the temerity to say "Book value is X, you saved Y dollars." My take on that stance is, if the cards were worth that much, they would have auctioned for that much. Besides, is he telling you that if the auctions ended up being $8 higher, he would have cut you a deal on the shipping? A couple of years ago, I won two 1956 Topps cards (Chuck Tanner and Del Crandall) for a quarter apiece. After the auction, I sent over an email asking for the adjusted shipping. he said, "You have some nerve asking for combined shipping after virtually stealing two '56 Topps cards. They're $12 each in Beckett, you know." I replied, "Beckett doesn't give BV for G/VG cards like the two I just won...if you charge me twice for shipping, I damned well better get two separate puffy envelopes." They arrived inside a semi-rigid holder that had been stuffed into a letter-sized envelope with a 34 cent stamp. That was his $3 for postage. And he left me a neutral after I gave him a positive feedback but said, "cards exactly as described, but his shipping policy sucks." Said I had an attitude and didn't read his shipping policy (which wasn't on his auction...I guess I should have taken a mindreading class in college). I just make it a point to not do business with cretins like that. I don't have to be a smartass, and they don't need to show me they're jerks. Take care, --- "obcjohn@knology.net" wrote: > This a heads up if you see items on Ebay sold by > bob52549 (Bob Klem, > Sundance Sports Cards, Rose Hill, Kansas). I won 9 > separate auctions from > him (9 separate cards) and the shipping on each > auction was $2. He bills > me for $10 shipping which I felt was excessive. I > emailed him to this > effect and suggested $5 as a reasonable figure. He > emails me back that I > saved $8, end of conversation. > He has high positive feedback but you might want to > be aware of scamming > on shipping for multiple auctions. > Bama Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= To: Subject: jiffy pop Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:04:03 -0700 From: "terry ellis" any collect these? lmk, kit ================= To: Subject: help with id Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:12:57 -0700 From: "terry ellis" it's a plastic coin about the size of a cheap poker chip, its green, it says ernie banks some stars and cubs. on the backgives 59 batting average. thanks, ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC in SCD Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 22:59:31 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" SCD has an interesting column by Catalog editor Bob Lemke. In the Oct 10 issue he describes Bama's (John Harrell's) quest for the #7 Diamond Star Lew Fonseca 1935 back and that it probably doesn't exist. Later on Andy Baran'sname pops up regarding his search for Sid Gordon in the R423 set. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 06:50:02 -0400 (EDT) To: biglittledogs@msn.com (terry ellis) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help with id From: Originaleek@webtv.net Sounds like a 1960 Armour coin. Banks is listed as #3 in the 23 coin set. "Book" is $7.50 - 25.00. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: What if? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 07:47:14 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" I stayed up past midnight to watch the A's squeeze (pun intended) past the Sox. Great game, bad ending. Originally I thought I would like to see the Cubs and the Red Sox in the Series, but let me run this by you: Red Sox/Giants. Could you imagine Pedro vs. Barry? One at-bat would be worth the price of admission. I guarantee Pedro wouldn't throw 4 wide ones. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:48:18 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What if? To: tknowles@sofast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I too stay up past midnight however, I was blessed to have game tickets and watched the action live! I do respectfully disagree with you and say it was the right outcome! I am all for the Giats/Red Sox WS if it is not Giants/A's WS! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What if? Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:59:51 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm with Todd. I stayed up past 3AM! Then was so upset I couldn't sleep. B.K. Kim shouldnever be allowed to pitch to a lefthanded batter, and no batters in the 9th inning of a game! At least tonight I'll get to bed early. ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: tknowles@sofast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What if? I too stay up past midnight however, I was blessed to have game tickets and watched the action live! I do respectfully disagree with you and say it was the right outcome! I am all for the Giats/Red Sox WS if it is not Giants/A's WS! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] DEALER ALERT!!! Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 17:15:36 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Rose Hill Kansas, eh? Perhaps the Biggest Phillies Phan in (Rose Hill) Kansas could pay him a visit, if you know what I mean....Rick "Guido the Legbreaker" Svetecz :) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A good dealer story! Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 9:17:12 +0000 From: Glenn A few of you may have recently received an email from Zack Grakal, a California-based dealer. I decided to follow up on his solicitation, and I'm glad that I did. Zack fixed me up with some terrific cards at great prices. He was extremely easy to deal with - very accommodating and keen to make sure that I ended up a satisfied customer. I'd very much recommend giving Zack a try. You can check out his site at www.californiasportscards.com Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970 Ryan on Yahoo Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 9:29:26 +0000 From: Glenn Didn't someone recenly mention that they're looking for a 1970 Ryan to finish (or nearly finish) their set? There's currently one on Yahoo Auctions. 2 days to go, current bid $2.25. No reserve. Good luck! Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 08:30:55 EDT Subject: Time To Leave The Marine Corps! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC, Well, here it comes. The day I have been both happily anticipating and terribly dreading. One week from today my terminal leave begins in preparation for retirement from my beloved Marine Corps. It is something we all have to eventually do. I will drop out of sight for a couple or three weeks and am going to turn off the group emails until I am back up and running in Texas. Will read through this weekend and will be unavailable from Monday on. It is hard to believe that it has been 20 years already. I'm still too young! Packers and movers come next week and Friday the 10th of Oct I will be leaving New Orleans for good. My official retirement date is 1 Jan 2004, but I still get to draw a paycheck in the mean time. I am moving my family to a small central Texas town with the hopes to slow things down a bit and to allow my children to experience a way of life that I did growing up. All my kids know is the military way of life and I think this will be really good for them (and me). I will have my hands in several things "career wise". Dabbling in commercial real estate with my father-in-law will be my primary occupation. But like the good logistician that I am, I hope to be a jack of all trades, master of none. I will provide more on that as the upcoming months unfold. New address and phone number, and I ask that the directory keepers please go ahead and update my info: Matt Shirley 805 Crothers Brady, TX 76825 I should physically be at this location by the 12th of October. In the meantime, thanks to all of you for everything and I will be in touch. Semper Fi, ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:22:10 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A good dealer story! To: gg.c1960@ntlworld.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Heya all, For the record...I have dealt with Zach in the past and have been satisfied every time. Accurate and fair. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 09:58:11 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I am going to attempt to empty my dupe box out over the next couple of weeks. I will probably post another availables message over the weekend. There are quite a few rough cards in the lot. I will try to point them out as best I can. I have the following available: (b) - back (f) - front (p) - paper missing (w) - writing - can be anywhere from a stray mark to "traded" cards (t) - tape (s) - stain Starter Sets: 1961 Topps (approximately 35 different) 1966 Topps (approximately 50 different) 1969 Topps (approximately 50 different) 1978 Topps (approximately 300-400 cards) 1980 OPC (approximately 200-250 cards) 1980 Exhibit HOF - (15 different) 1950 Bowman Wild Man - 18 (Tipton) 1953 Bowman Color - 159 (sf) 1954 Bowman - 103 (pb) 1955 Topps - 52 (pb) 1958 Topps - 21 (wb), 79 (wf), 82, 112 (pf), 144 (tack hole), 157 (tf), 259 (tear, but whole card is intact (scissor cut?)), 301 (wf) 1961 Topps - 28 (wf), 199 (wf), 215 (wf), 230, 353, 395 (wf) 1962 Topps - 26 1963 Topps - 10 (wf), 60 (wf), 79 (wb), 191 (wfb), 431 (wfb) 1964 Topps - 402 (wf) 1965 Topps - 13, 39 (3), 59, 81 (3), 86, 87, 102, 108, 145 (wf), 200 (pf), 523, 580 1966 Topps - 234 1967 Topps - 1 (wb), 35, 108, 113, 205, 331 (wf), 396 1968 Topps - 120, 220 (wf) 1969 Topps - 211, 227 (Tipton), 600 (Corner missing), 631, 644, 645, 653 1972 Topps - 484 (pf), 490 (wf), 493 (pf), 644 1974 Topps - 334, 338, 440, 579T 1975 Topps -63, 545 1976 (?) Linnett - Bench, Borbon, Concepcion, Driessen, Foster, Geronimo, Griffey, Perez, Rose 1976 SSPC - 334 1976 Topps - 22, 55, 72, 80T, 120T, 140, 235, 380T, 624 1977 Topps - 258, 260, 319, 357, 430, 630, 655 1979 OPC - 5 (2), 15, 22, 80, 101 (2), 107, 160, 179, 251, 256, 323, 338 (2), 352, 360 1979 Topps - 20 1979 Hostess - 108 ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:06:53 EDT Subject: What I did on my early autumn vacation... To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com (This IS the short version of the story, but still a long read. Be warned.) Hi gang, Just got back from my last vacation of the year. The Ft. Washington show usually coincides with my birthday, however this year was an exception as the show fell on the weekend before my birthday. So I took the whole week off since I had one week left to use and no other week looked better than another on the The first weekend went on as planned other than hardly anyone else showing up to greet at the show. Friday was a lot busier than I expected, but the hurricane passed well to the west of us and there was hardly any wind. The only rain I saw on the drive over was from an unrelated weather system. It was bright and sunny for most of my trip. Saturday the show was crowded and I met up with Ed Schott and OBC prospect Jason Ursaner (found the group via the auctions last month). No one else from OBC could make it, so the swap session was very limited. I did find a few 63's and 69's from my list at the show, but like the Nationals there was nothing to be found for the two priority sets on my list (T205's and 49 Leaf SP's) - at least nothing that was affordable. Sunday I met up with the Fugitive and Mattman before my brief stop at the show was over. I left early to catch the football games on TV including the Pats' season opener which I was missing for the first time in seven or eight years. I was originally planning to leave for my cousin's new house in Nashville on Monday, but I noticed a rattling noise the day before and decided to have it checked out. Turns out my car needed a couple brackets in the back which had rotted away. Problem was that the hurricane knocked out power at the parts place and they wouldn't be available for a couple more days. After confirming that it was still safe to drive the car (and a rear brake job), I took my noisy automobile south for a couple days. I paid for the brackets along with the brake job, so I'd have to return to get them installed on the way back home. I spent a couple days in Nashville visiting my cousin in which the car never moved from where I parked it upon arrival. The next leg of my trip was a stop at my brother's house in Charlotte about 450 miles away. My car had made it 425 of those miles when I noticed that the dashboard lights and radio had gone dead. A few miles later I opened the window (it was getting hot in there with no open window and no motor running the vent). Somehow the car came back to life and I enjoyed the radio for a few more miles. About five miles from my brother's house, the car seemed to lose power going up a slight incline. I managed to cross the four lane highway and traveled in the breakdown lane for a few hundred feet. I came upon a part of the road that forced you to take a right turn from the breakdown lane and as I did this, I lost the power steering. I went a couple hundred feet down this side street and brought the car to rest at the entrance to the parking lot behind a small merchandise mart. I called AAA from a phone at the merchandise mart and had it towed to a AAA approved service center (now closed) and the tow truck driver was kind enough to bring me the rest of the way to my brother's house and drop me off. Problem was, no one was home. Fortunately, my sister-in-law's mom lives right down the street and she has an extra set of keys... she wasn't home either. A short hike to the corner store, where I called my brother's cell phone. He was about 5 minutes away on his way home. "I'll meet you at the house"... "No, better stop by the corner store and pick me up. I'll explain when you get here." The next day, the AAA repair shop put in a brand new battery and starter. Last Saturday night, I planned to drive overnight back to Philly. Less than two miles down the road, a battery warning light came on - apparently it wasn't getting charged and it was only a matter of time before the new one went dead. So I had to turn around and spend an extra night in Charlotte. The following day, I had a new alternator put in and left that night for PA. I was now forced to cancel plans for my birthday and head straight home (with the stop in PA for a couple hours to get that part put in.) At about 2 AM, I took a break at a rest stop just over the NC/VA border. I grabbed a power nap for and about an hour and then decided to get back on the road. Now the car wouldn't start! Putting it in neutral didn't help, so I called AAA again. This time they towed me about 15 miles and dropped off the car at a service station which wouldn't be open for another four hours. They left my car on top of the tow truck (so at least I wouldn't have to worry about it getting stolen... if they could manage to get it started). I checked into a nearby hotel for three hours and went online to get the nearest AAA approved service station - found one 35 miles away and got towed there in the morning. The guy there couldn't find anything wrong with the car, but it did give him a couple problems starting. He postulated that it was a safety switch that wasn't working, so the car didn't recognize it was in park/neutral. He wouldn't be able to get a part like that for a couple more days, but I was already late getting home one day and couldn't afford to wait even more. I paid him for the half hour labor he charged me (although he looked at the car and drove it around for at least twice that) and got back on the road. With another 100 miles under my belt, I pull off for some food and gas. Waited in line at Wendy's for a bit and got in the car to pull it into the gas station - it won't start again! So I called the last service station I had visited to see if there was some trick to getting it started. He said to try putting the shifter into park really hard and hopefully that will trip the safety switch - no luck. I called AAA yet AGAIN. This time by the time the tow arrived, the car started and I filled the tank and headed straight for the Pep Boys in PA to get that bracket installed at last. I parked the car at the Pep Boys and went inside to announce my arrival and to see if I could get the part put in any time in the next couple hours. "Sure, just pull the car up to the first bay and we'll get that put in ASAP." Car won't start... so now I have two mechanics looking at the car and they determine that the starter I had replaced three days ago is no good. It won't turn when the engine is really hot, which explains why it went bad on me when it did. The secret to starting the car when the engine was hot was to tap the starter with a rubber mallet while turning the key - a two person job, but it worked every time. I stayed another night with my friend who let me crash at his house for the Ft. Washington show, got the part put in the next morning (but not the starter) and headed home. I had to stop for gas in Everett, but filled up with the engine running this time. Parked the car in my driveway and tried to start it right back up just to see what would happen - nothing. Unloaded the car and left it with the hood up to cool it down faster. I got it to start an hour later, so I took it to work and to yet another AAA approved service station the next day. They were busy there, so I had to wait a couple days to get the car fixed (hopefully for good this time). I just pulled into the driveway with my brand new electrical system (starter, battery, alternator), new rear brakes, sway bar brackets, two new tires, an oil change, and one slightly used rebuilt starter in the trunk... plus about $1500 in repair bills stuffed into the glove box. Looks like I'll have to work straight through until Christmas before I even think about taking another trip like this one. I was actually thrilled to be at work and not a rest area in some godforsaken part of Virginia. Hope you enjoyed the long read. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:04:49 EDT Subject: My first PSA card...sort of To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com As many of you are aware of my collecting tastes, I thought you might find this kinda funny... I came home from a vacation the other night and found an auction win in my pile of mail: an E220 National Caramel Harry Hooper. The card was described as being returned from PSA with "evidence of trimming" - the borders were totally cut off. I was aware of these facts when I bid, so no big deal there. What I didn't expect was the semi rigid card holder complete with PSA's bar-coded EVID TRIM sticker. So, this represents the first card in my collection that has been reviewed by PSA. I sort of like the semi-rigid holder, as I don't have to figure out how to get the card out of that hard plastic tomb :-) Happy Collecting! ================= To: "cardclctor@aol.com" , OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JGreco@us.imshealth.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What I did on my early autumn vacation... Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:33:36 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" Vacations can be so relaxing... > [Original Message] > From: > To: ; > Date: 10/3/2003 3:06:53 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I did on my early autumn vacation... > (This IS the short version of the story, but still a long read. Be > Hi gang, > Just got back from my last vacation of the year. The Ft. Washington > usually coincides with my birthday, however this year was an exception as > show fell on the weekend before my birthday. So I took the whole week off > I had one week left to use and no other week looked better than another on the > calendar. > The first weekend went on as planned other than hardly anyone else > up to greet at the show. Friday was a lot busier than I expected, but the > hurricane passed well to the west of us and there was hardly any wind. The only > rain I saw on the drive over was from an unrelated weather system. It was > bright and sunny for most of my trip. Saturday the show was crowded and I met up > with Ed Schott and OBC prospect Jason Ursaner (found the group via the > last month). No one else from OBC could make it, so the swap session was > limited. I did find a few 63's and 69's from my list at the show, but like the > Nationals there was nothing to be found for the two priority sets on my > (T205's and 49 Leaf SP's) - at least nothing that was affordable. Sunday I met > up with the Fugitive and Mattman before my brief stop at the show was over. I > left early to catch the football games on TV including the Pats' season > opener which I was missing for the first time in seven or eight years. > I was originally planning to leave for my cousin's new house in > on Monday, but I noticed a rattling noise the day before and decided to > it checked out. Turns out my car needed a couple brackets in the back which had > rotted away. Problem was that the hurricane knocked out power at the > place and they wouldn't be available for a couple more days. After > that it was still safe to drive the car (and a rear brake job), I took my > automobile south for a couple days. I paid for the brackets along with > brake job, so I'd have to return to get them installed on the way back home. I > spent a couple days in Nashville visiting my cousin in which the car never moved > from where I parked it upon arrival. > The next leg of my trip was a stop at my brother's house in Charlotte > about 450 miles away. My car had made it 425 of those miles when I noticed that > the dashboard lights and radio had gone dead. A few miles later I opened > window (it was getting hot in there with no open window and no motor running the > vent). Somehow the car came back to life and I enjoyed the radio for a > more miles. About five miles from my brother's house, the car seemed to > power going up a slight incline. I managed to cross the four lane highway > traveled in the breakdown lane for a few hundred feet. I came upon a part of the > road that forced you to take a right turn from the breakdown lane and as I did > this, I lost the power steering. I went a couple hundred feet down this > street and brought the car to rest at the entrance to the parking lot behind a > small merchandise mart. I called AAA from a phone at the merchandise mart > had it towed to a AAA approved service center (now closed) and the tow > driver was kind enough to bring me the rest of the way to my brother's > and drop me off. Problem was, no one was home. Fortunately, my > mom lives right down the street and she has an extra set of keys... she > home either. A short hike to the corner store, where I called my > cell phone. He was about 5 minutes away on his way home. "I'll meet you at the > house"... "No, better stop by the corner store and pick me up. I'll explain when > you get here." > The next day, the AAA repair shop put in a brand new battery and > Last Saturday night, I planned to drive overnight back to Philly. Less than two > miles down the road, a battery warning light came on - apparently it > getting charged and it was only a matter of time before the new one went > So I had to turn around and spend an extra night in Charlotte. The > day, I had a new alternator put in and left that night for PA. I was now > to cancel plans for my birthday and head straight home (with the stop in > for a couple hours to get that part put in.) > At about 2 AM, I took a break at a rest stop just over the NC/VA border. I > grabbed a power nap for and about an hour and then decided to get back on > road. Now the car wouldn't start! Putting it in neutral didn't help, so I > called AAA again. This time they towed me about 15 miles and dropped off the car > at a service station which wouldn't be open for another four hours. They > my car on top of the tow truck (so at least I wouldn't have to worry about it > getting stolen... if they could manage to get it started). I checked into > nearby hotel for three hours and went online to get the nearest AAA > service station - found one 35 miles away and got towed there in the morning. The > guy there couldn't find anything wrong with the car, but it did give him > couple problems starting. He postulated that it was a safety switch that > working, so the car didn't recognize it was in park/neutral. He wouldn't > able to get a part like that for a couple more days, but I was already > getting home one day and couldn't afford to wait even more. I paid him for the > half hour labor he charged me (although he looked at the car and drove it > for at least twice that) and got back on the road. > With another 100 miles under my belt, I pull off for some food and gas. > Waited in line at Wendy's for a bit and got in the car to pull it into the gas > station - it won't start again! So I called the last service station I > visited to see if there was some trick to getting it started. He said to > putting the shifter into park really hard and hopefully that will trip the safety > switch - no luck. I called AAA yet AGAIN. This time by the time the tow > the car started and I filled the tank and headed straight for the Pep Boys in > PA to get that bracket installed at last. > I parked the car at the Pep Boys and went inside to announce my > and to see if I could get the part put in any time in the next couple > "Sure, just pull the car up to the first bay and we'll get that put in ASAP." Car > won't start... so now I have two mechanics looking at the car and they > determine that the starter I had replaced three days ago is no good. It won't turn > when the engine is really hot, which explains why it went bad on me when > did. The secret to starting the car when the engine was hot was to tap > starter with a rubber mallet while turning the key - a two person job, but it worked > every time. I stayed another night with my friend who let me crash at his > house for the Ft. Washington show, got the part put in the next morning (but not > the starter) and headed home. I had to stop for gas in Everett, but filled up > with the engine running this time. Parked the car in my driveway and tried to > start it right back up just to see what would happen - nothing. Unloaded > car and left it with the hood up to cool it down faster. I got it to start an > hour later, so I took it to work and to yet another AAA approved service > station the next day. They were busy there, so I had to wait a couple days to get > the car fixed (hopefully for good this time). I just pulled into the > with my brand new electrical system (starter, battery, alternator), new > brakes, sway bar brackets, two new tires, an oil change, and one slightly > rebuilt starter in the trunk... plus about $1500 in repair bills stuffed > the glove box. Looks like I'll have to work straight through until > before I even think about taking another trip like this one. I was > thrilled to be at work and not a rest area in some godforsaken part of > Hope you enjoyed the long read. TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 03:18:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A question about 62's green tints From: "rayluurs" I am still trying to tell the dfference between green tints and the new batch. Looking at the picture the look faded but the panel part looks lighter on the green tints than the newer one Is that one way of telling ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:18:51 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, Has anyone ever seen such a day in play-off history??!! What a great day of fantastic finishes, wierd plays and calls...never seen the likes. To see a playoff game, or ANY game end in the fashion of the Giants-Marlins game...talk about classic!! More so when the go ahead run was scored on a identical play a half inning earlier...and then denied a half inning later!!...Super!!!...no matter who you root for!! Cubs-Braves came down to a classic showdown...Sosa as the potential tying run...almost!! And the A's at Boston...call Mulder and Scully...this was way out there...very strange...but good to see Trot do the "damage". Gotta luv it no matter who you root for...so far...can't get much more exciting than this!!...great for the game!! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 21:48:06 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" You said it well, my pal. Baseball is the National Pastime because of great past, present and future games like these exciting matches today !! This year I'm cheering for the Red Sox and Cubs to take it to Game 7. And I won't mind either way which team comes out on top !! Phillies 2004 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball > Hi all, > Has anyone ever seen such a day in play-off history??!! > What a great day of fantastic finishes, wierd plays and calls...never > seen the likes. > To see a playoff game, or ANY game end in the fashion of the > Giants-Marlins game...talk about classic!! More so when the go ahead run > was scored on a identical play a half inning earlier...and then denied a > half inning later!!...Super!!!...no matter who you root for!! > Cubs-Braves came down to a classic showdown...Sosa as the potential > tying run...almost!! > And the A's at Boston...call Mulder and Scully...this was way out > there...very strange...but good to see Trot do the "damage". > Gotta luv it no matter who you root for...so far...can't get much more > exciting than this!!...great for the game!! > D. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables - #2 Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:03:14 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I have the following available: (b) - back (f) - front (p) - paper missing (w) - writing - can be anywhere from a stray mark to "traded" cards (t) - tape (s) - stain (tr) - trimmed (g) - Glue Starter Sets: 1966 Topps (50 different) 1969 Topps (50 different) 1971 Topps (approximately 175 cards) a couple minor HOF'ers & Leaders 1978 Topps (approximately 550 cards) 1979 Topps (approximately 175 cards) - Some HOF'ers 1980 OPC (approximately 200-250 cards) 1950 Bowman Wild Man - 18 (Tipton) 1957 Topps - 267 (T) 1958 Topps - 21 (WB), 243 (GB), 389, 392 (WB), 427, 439, 466 1959 Topps - 132 (WF), 151, 214 (WB), 216, 277, 393, 403 1960 Topps - 19, 23 (WF), 25, 37, 38 (2), 40, 52, 53 (WFB), 95, 107 (PB), 127, 156, 158, 165, 170, 179, 190, 197, 202, 207, 222, 239, 243, 256, 280, 297, 351, 366 1961 Topps - 54, 82 (2), 98 (WFB) (Black circle around number), 98 (WFB) (White circle around number), 105 (4), 165, 177 (3), 331 (2), 481 1962 Topps - 15, 16, 23, 26, 39, 47, 71, 76, 129, 133 (PF) 1963 Topps - 22, 53 (WF), 79 (WB), 172 (WF), 187 (WB), 191 (WFB) 1964 Topps - 38, 46, 52, 54, 68, 113, 126, 130, 158, 169, 176, 193, 227, 231, 241 (p), 255, 275 1965 Topps - 13, 17, 20, 28, 39, 49, 57, 59, 74, 75, 80, 81, 83, 86, 87, 98, 101, 102, 105, 106, 108, 111, 159, 180, 189 (WFB), 206, 523, 548, 574, 576, 580, 589 1966 Topps - 2 (3), 16, 19, 31 (2), 37 (7), 45 (5), 46 (4), 49, 59, 68 (5), 78, 84 (6), 85, 90 (WB), 96 (4), 116 (2), 122, 131 (2), 133, 142, 155, 174 (3), 174 (WB), 190 (3), 208 (3), 211, 227, 233 (3), 242, 297, 325, 327 (4) 1967 Topps - 1 (WB), 9, 27, 28, 29, 31, 34, 35, 52, 61 (PF), 65, 79, 104, 108, 118, 127, 133, 148 (P), 162 (WB), 174, 199, 209, 214, 218, 247, 249 (2), 252, 256, 265, 268, 288 (PB), 336 (PB), 357, 360, 364, 366 1968 Topps - 6, 7, 86, 215, 360 (WF), 513 (WF) 1969 Topps - 19, 45, 75, 314 (WFB), 332, 333 (2), 361, 391 (2), 396(2), 397, 411, 412 (WFB), 436 (4), 440, 444 (2), 446, 448 (3), 458 (2), 469 (3), 474, 487 (4), 504, 512 (2), 514 (4), 519 (2), 523, 529, 620, 625, 627, 633, 635, 638, 644, 645 1970 Topps - 17, 26, 62, 63, 66, 71, 97, 97 (PF), 107, 146, 234, 238, 286, 290 (P), 346 (2), 372, 375, 523 (WF), 578 1971 Topps Football - 43 1972 Topps - 10 (2), 30, 37 (2), 38, 49 (TB), 51, 70, 80, 87, 89, 112 (2), 114, 132 (2), 154, 160, 169, 195, 264 (2), 267, 280, 285 (2), 292, 323, 338, 465, 510 (2), 520 1973 Topps - 7 (11), 26 (8), 66, 67, 81, 84, 91 (19), 127 (8), 158 (8), 170 (2), 175 (5), 180 (2), 191 (5), 219 (3), 235, 243 (3), 346, 434 (2), 480, 481, 503, 506, 522 1973 Topps Blue Checklists - STL, PHI 1974 Topps - 2 (2), 2 (PF), 3 (WB), 3 (PF), 4, 5, 6 (5), 7, 40, 45, 55 (12), 87, 110 (2), 144, 160, 212, 250, 265, 273, 280, 330, 334, 335, 338, 339, 367 (2), 440, 470, 472, 474 (WF), 485T, 523 (WF), 554, 568, 571, 579T, 599 (WAS), 600, Traded CL (2) 1974 Topps Red Checklists - ATL (2), BOS (3), CHI (N) (2), CIN, CLE (2), HOU (2), KC (2), MIL, NY (N), OAK (2), PHI, PIT (3), SD, SF (2), STL, TEX (3) 1975 Topps - 59, 409, 545, 597 1976 SSPC - 133 1976 Topps - 70, 80T, 85, 120T, 140, 172, 347, 380(WF), 380T, 477, 551, 592T, 618, Traded CL (WF) 1977 OPC - 34, 59, 74, 89, 95, 414, 149, 173, 183 1977 Topps - 146, 177, 384, 570, 630 1978 Burger King - One unopened pack (Lyle Showing) 1978 OPC - 57 1978 Topps - 63 (5) 1979 OPC - 5 (2), 15, 22, 39, 80, 101 (2), 107, 160, 179, 251, 256, 323, 338 (2), 352, 360 1980 OPC - 1980 Topps - 175, 244, 286 (2), 398, 456, 506, 509, 633, 716 1981 Donruss - 18 (4), 67, 69, 71, 83, 164, 176, 187, 189 (2), 218, 232, 233, 234, 237, 238 (2), 240, 250, 253, 256, 257, 263, 272, 274, 278, 279, 286, 307, 309, 245, 347, 352, 354, 359 (2), 368, 377, 385, 386, 387, 390, 391, 429, 431, 479, 507, 508 1981 - Fleer - 78 (7), 230 (3), 282, 284, 346, 352, 354, 359, 377, 425, 523, 553, 584 1981 OPC - 31 (3), 241 (2) 1981 Topps - 347, 350 (4), 560 (4), 673 (13) 1981 Topps Coke - Boston Header, Detroit Header 1981 Topps Traded - 780 (I have others available if you need them, I just need to find them) Hostess (Some have typical staining, scraping, and bad cuts) 1975 Hostess - 10, 13, 17, 30, 34 (2), 35, 40, 41, 43, 46 (2), 59, 65, 71 (2), 73 (2), 78, 82, 106, 115, 131, 134, 139, 140 (2), 141 (2) 1977 Hostess - 58 1979 Hostess - 1 (20), 3 (31), 4 (19), 5 (22), 6 (24), 10 (7), 12 (4), 13 (8), 14 (4), 15 (2), 16 (20), 17 (28), 18 (31), 19 (3), 20, 21 (3), 22 (8), 23 (12), 25 (4),72 (9), 76 (9), 77 (3), 78 (8) 1979 Hostess Panels - 4,5,6 ; 13,14,15 ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2003 22:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball To: digdugdig@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Agreed! Great games in every series! Mike W digdugdig@webtv.net wrote: Hi all, Has anyone ever seen such a day in play-off history??!! What a great day of fantastic finishes, wierd plays and calls...never seen the likes. To see a playoff game, or ANY game end in the fashion of the Giants-Marlins game...talk about classic!! More so when the go ahead run was scored on a identical play a half inning earlier...and then denied a half inning later!!...Super!!!...no matter who you root for!! Cubs-Braves came down to a classic showdown...Sosa as the potential tying run...almost!! And the A's at Boston...call Mulder and Scully...this was way out there...very strange...but good to see Trot do the "damage". Gotta luv it no matter who you root for...so far...can't get much more exciting than this!!...great for the game!! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: 1962 tints Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 09:16:37 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Placing the cards side by side you can generally figure out the green tinting color differences. But the best way of sorting out the in-betweeners is to look at the cropping on the edge of each card. All of the green tints are cropped slightly differently. If the border is the same you don't have a variation. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables ! Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 10:38:26 -0400 From: here's a few cards occupying my desk . FCFS. 1973 Topps-172 (2), 371 1976 Topps -32, 119, 162, 170, 254, 267, 310, 336, 387, 457, 512, 643 1977 Topps- 85, 137, 147, 262, 451 1979 Topps- 31, 121, 229, 241, 280, 299, 312, 324, 351, 683 1980 Topps -51, 105, 521, 679(2) Have at 'em ! ================= Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 12:45:12 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sad News From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, My father passed away last Sat. I am now in Sacramento, Ca. and will remain until next Sun. to tie up some loose ends here. So, will be away from OBC for a short time. I'm glad I got to spend sometime with my father this summer. He had been ill for sometime. It will be tough now that my father and mother are now both gone. ================= Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 02:26:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The "downside' to OBC assistance From: "mikesportsfan" For the 2nd time "help" provided by an OBCer turned a "complete" set of mine into an incomplete set. Last year it was Steve Rittenberg, showing me that my 1962 set contained a few of the same variation (problem has since been ocrrected). Now Kit, who was doing me a favor by sending some 1908-81 Topps BSKB 3 card panels, so I could try and do the master set of all 176 panels. I got a hold of a checklsit of all 176 panels and now supposely the 88 I already have, are not the ones that make up the complete set. According to the checklsit I have, I now have 46 of Set "A" and 48 from Set "B". Virtually everyone Kit sent is a dupe of one I already had, and I have just over 1/2 of each set. Now other than upgrades, I had a complete run of the Topps BSKB from 1959-1980. Now I need almost 1/2 of 1980-81 and guess I should start 1981-82 (the last year Topps issued BSKB for a while), to try and complete the run. I have also started 1986-87 * 1987-88 Fleer BSKB and would be interested in starting teh Star BSKB, for those that can help on these. Thanks for trying Kit. At least I already have the Bird Dr. J Magic panel which is worth about 80% of the whole set. Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A nice cold beer... Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:04:50 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- After watching Kerry Wood polish off the Braves, I am enjoying the best beer I've tasted since the Bears won the 1986 Super Bowl... Wow that was a great series - what a display of pitching! We should have had a triple play tonight as well, but the umps blew the call. Dusty made some very questionable moves, but once again, luck is better than brains. When he sent Damian Miller up there in the 9th with a pair of lefties on the bench and Miller watched three strikes go by, I almost lost it. Not to mention warming up Farnsworth - that's what we need to relieve a guy throwing 98 mph - a guy who throws 99 and is a lot wilder...how about some slow junk to throw them off?? Ahhh, but that's what makes it fun! Good Night, Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stan Hack page sponsorship Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:15:34 +0000 From: Glenn Just a note to let you know that the sponsorship of Stan Hack's page on Baseball-Reference.com has been renewed in OBC's name. To check out the page go to: http://baseball-reference.com/h/hackst01.shtml Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:29:13 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prayers and Playoffs To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Father Pat, First please accept my late welcome to OBC! Next if the Cubs and Red Sox are in the World Series perhaps we will have "The Terminator" as the Governor of Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:47:27 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Kent Montgomery From: "Kent Montgomery" For those of you who know my father Kent Montgomery, an OBC member, I would like to let you know that he has been in the hospital for the past 3 weeks after having surgery. He is doing good and will be home soon. =0D Jordan Montgomery ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:13:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prayers and Playoffs To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Keeping each other in our prayers is an OBC tradition, padre. And prayers for the Cubs are mighty welcome. - Doug ================= To: Subject: availables Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 08:29:49 -0700 From: "terry ellis" 70/71 basketball-35.77.66.41.41.48.77.41.66.38.66.77.69.66.41.48.38.42.38.53.53.42.71.46.53.7.77.48.38.41.66.67.69.38.38.41.38.59.lmk,kit ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:38:25 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prayers and Playoffs To: TraderDoug@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 10/6/03 10:16:48 AM Central Daylight Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: Keeping each other in our prayers is an OBC tradition, padre. And prayers for the Cubs are mighty welcome. - Doug AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!! ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:43:14 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prayers and Playoffs To: TraderDoug@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com You know I love the Red Sox and was happy to see anybody other than the Braves win, especially the Cubs, but if the Sox lose today it still might be a great World Series with a lot of history. If the Sox do not win and the Cubs beat the Marlins there could be two very interesting World Series... Cubs vs. A's is full of history. In fact the A's have beat the Cubs twice in the World Series and both were great Series and featured many HOFers. More interesting would be Yanks vs. Cubs. Those damn Yanks have whipped the Cubs twice but featured on of the most talked about pieces of baseball folklore every. In 1932 at Wrigley Field, Babe Ruth called hist homerun shot. Can you imagine Giambi calling his shot this year...me neither... Red Sox vs. Cubs would be ideal but I will take the Cubs vs. anyone at this ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 11:42:22 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Prayers and Playoffs To: Smartalecx@aol.com, TraderDoug@aol.com, seventytwop@hotmail.com, From: Celenox@aol.com GO CUBS....Cant beat a great world series NO YANKS ================= To: Subject: mistake on basketball availables Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 09:34:54 -0700 From: "terry ellis" they are 69/70 ================= To: Subject: 64 topps giants Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 12:02:09 -0700 From: "terry ellis" ================= To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A nice cold beer... Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 21:23:18 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Congratulations to Geno and other Cubs fans (I'm trying to make it to game six, but it's a highly improbable scenario (and the improbability is not that I expect the cubs to sweep)). I'd like to publicly thank Geno for recognizing Dusty Baker as a poor strategist. He'd be fun to play for I bet, but he makes some silly decisions...another Bobby Cox I guess. I curious if any of you (too?) knowledgeable baseball fans care to defend either Bobby Cox or Dusty Baker. Argument started? >From: "Geno Wagner" >Reply-To: illini90@earthlink.net >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A nice cold beer... >Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2003 21:04:50 -0700 >OBCers -- >After watching Kerry Wood polish off the Braves, I am enjoying the best >beer I've tasted since the Bears won the 1986 Super Bowl... >Wow that was a great series - what a display of pitching! We should have >had a triple play tonight as well, but the umps blew the call. Dusty made >some very questionable moves, but once again, luck is better than brains. >When he sent Damian Miller up there in the 9th with a pair of lefties on >the bench and Miller watched three strikes go by, I almost lost it. Not to >mention warming up Farnsworth - that's what we need to relieve a guy >throwing 98 mph - a guy who throws 99 and is a lot wilder...how about some >slow junk to throw them off?? Ahhh, but that's what makes it fun! >Good Night, >Geno and Sharon Wagner Instant message with integrated webcam using MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ================= Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 20:27:34 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A nice cold beer... From: Gary Pearce At 08:23 PM 10/06/2003, Mac Wubben wrote: >I curious if any of you (too?) knowledgeable baseball fans care to defend >either Bobby Cox or Dusty Baker. There's no defense for Dusty Baker's comments from earlier this year. Rush Limbaugh was drummed out of his job for much less. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Availables - #2 Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 19:22:39 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I will send out the cards from this list either Friday or Saturday. ================= Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2003 20:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Congrats Chicago & Boston To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins Am I loosing my mind? Now that I am in night school and too busy to watch any of it, both the Cubs (whom I have been a fan of since age 12 in '89) and the Red Sox will be playing this week for their respective pennants. Studying may have to take a back seat this I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 23:53:59 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Predictions From: Carlos Alcazar Hey Guys, let's get some predictions now that the ALCS and NLCS are all set. NLCS: (Chicago vs. Florida) - I lack the sentimentality of Cubs fans, I'm really not concerned about how many years they have gone without a World Series, but based on how much I like their pitching staff I have no reason not to see the Cubbies in the World Series. Although I must say the fact the Marlins are here at all impresses me a great deal. My Pick: Chicago (I won't predict games but I'm thinking if the pitching dominates it will be short) ALCS: (Boston vs. New York) - Well this is pretty much my worst nightmare, I had my heart set on Minnesota vs Oakland but both the A's and Twins disappointed me completely and I have trouble imagining Oakland ever getting over the hump with this recent failure. I have no love lost for either team but for the sake of predictions I will pick one. My Pick: Both teams are found to have violated several league rules and are both disqualified (I wish! :-) , Seriously I will go with the hated Yanks over the strongly disliked (for me anyway) Sox. I'll say as a sharp contrast to the NLCS this will be a long series maybe going the distance just because these teams seem to like doing that sort of thing. Well there you have it, I would be interested in reading what others think of the series we have lined up, it should be interesting if nothing else. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 10:26:00 -0600 (MDT) To: "OBC Ramblings" From: tknowles@sofast.net Test-post bounce test. ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 15:27:10 -0400 Subject: news item From: Bob Saxton Don't know how many of you caught the news item on Reuters news service about the Prince of Darkness trying to corner the world markets in coal, fuel oil and atomic energy, just in case the Cubs and Red Sox both make it to the series. Otherwise it would be a cold day in.......... The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2003 19:42:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Prayers and Playoffs From: "xtodd8" I said a couple of prayers in the bottom of the 9th last night..... ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 22:40:31 EDT Subject: WS Picks To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey ho kids, you read it here first: Cubs over the Yanks in the Series but I would prefer Cubs/Sox. I think Wood and Prior are too formidable to be beat--they are both locked in but good right now. I would think to beat the Cubbies in a 7 game series you have to win two of the four games that the terrible twosome would pitch. A very tall order right now. ================= To: "Ramblings $OBC$" Subject: test #2 Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 21:52:59 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" I found my problem I think - my address showed up as being bounced by Yahoo. Hopefully this one gets thru. ================= Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2003 01:26:14 -0400 To: vct@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Shameless begging From: Mark S Talbot Someone was recently offering `79 Hostess cards on waiver, I can't find that email - can someone tell me who that was? REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: test - please delete Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:19:39 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: Subject: 1971 topps football game inserts Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 16:45:40 -0700 From: "terry ellis" does any one have a full set they want to trade? lmk, kit ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who collects what? Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 05:33:37 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- Who is in charge of making changes to the "Who Collects What?" list on the website? I wanted to update my listing. It's a very cool feature if you haven't looked at it lately! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 00:39:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: interesting Dodger historical site From: "the_narrow_path" Hi all - while reading up on the latest Dodger rumors/happenings, I ran across an article by the L.A. Times' Bill Plaschke on the fading hopes of Walter O' Malley being inducted into the hall, and his argument on why he should be. He mentioned a new website put together by his son Peter that has a lot of very interesting historical data on O' Malley's life and career as Dodgers owner, including lots of original documentation/letters/memos/telegrams that led up to the Dodgers moving to warmer climes. Thought some of you might have fun looking it over. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:33:41 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] interesting Dodger historical site To: dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Well, where to begin...Walter O'Malley should he be in the Hall Of Fame....im going to have to say NO.....ask any Brooklyn Historian and or Older Brooklyn Baseball fan and they will agree with me. Pulling the DEM BUMS out of Brooklyn was the worst thing for baseball and NY. The only thing good about the Dodgers is Hearing the wonderful stories my grand father shares with me. But on the other hand IM sure if the Dodgers were still I town we would go to games all the time. Not to Offend People in OBC but ive heard the expression that the 3 worst men in time were Hitler, Stalin and Walter O'Malley.....that's sad I would never want to have my name in the same sentence with the first 2 guys! So IM going to have to disagree with LA Times' Bill Plaschke on electing Walter O'Malley. I think he belongs where he is now.....on the outside looking That's my 2 cents Rob Gioia ================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] interesting Dodger historical site To: Celenox@aol.com, dodgergeo@elite.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Since we're on the subject...does Walter O'Malley belong in the Hall? I thought about replying yesterday but didn't. Now that Rob wants to bring it up, let me add my two cents. True, O'Malley helped the majors by bringing his team west of the Mississippi. Yes, this brought some revenue to MLB, but look at what it did to the PCL. It was a lot better (and more prestigious) prior to 1958. But then again, with the expansion of baseball three years later, the West Coast would have had teams There was something about Dodger fans that even a heathen Yankees fan like myself could admire. My mother in law grew up in Brooklyn during the 1940s and 50s and still tells about the Dodgers and Ebbets Field, and that woman isn't much of a fan of any sport! I can't tell you how many of my friends' fathers told me about how they gave up following baseball after the Bums packed up and moved west (and their bitterness still showed 25 years later). For many of those fans, they were left with only the hated Yankees as a local team, and some just weren't about to do that. The addition of the Mets helped some (and seeing Gil Hodges and Duke Snider again helped a little more), but that team wasn't the powerhouse that the Dodgers were. It wasn't the same. Most of the Dodgers lived in Brooklyn neighborhoods. People still remember when guys like Billy Cox and Carl Furillo would play catch with them in the neighborhood. People still talk about how Duke Snider, Gil Hodges and Carl Erskine carpooled together from Bay Ridge, just like regular working stiffs. But, they'll also tell you that Brooklyn was a different place then, and that the Dodgers leaving had a little to do with why. If you want to get O'Malley in the Hall for his contribution t the game's expansion, then I suggest you might as well toss Marvin Miller in there with him. Miller was the one responsible for: 1. Giving guys who get paid an avaerage of $1 million + annually to play a kids' game a reason to threaten walking off the field because somehow they're getting "screwed" by the "system," and 2. Establishing a "war chest" from the proceeds of sales of baseball cards to help during strikes, thereby giving the fans a way to finance the very act that drives many of them away. Brilliant. Not that I'm saying that a players' union is a bad thing. In fact, the players usually had to get regular jobs in the off-season as car salesmen, insurance agents, substitute teachers and more to keep the bills paid. They were often at the mercy of management when it came time to re-sign. The union helped alleviate that, but I still cringe whenever they threaten to stop playing because the owners won't cave in to their demands because I'd play for well below the league minimum if I was asked to. Wow, how'd this soap box get here? I'll get down now. Take care, --- Celenox@aol.com wrote: > Well, where to begin...Walter O'Malley should he be > in the Hall Of Fame....im > going to have to say NO.....ask any Brooklyn > Historian and or Older Brooklyn > Baseball fan and they will agree with me. Pulling > the DEM BUMS out of Brooklyn > was the worst thing for baseball and NY. The only > thing good about the > Dodgers is Hearing the wonderful stories my grand > father shares with me. But on the > other hand IM sure if the Dodgers were still I town > we would go to games all > the time. > Not to Offend People in OBC but ive heard the > expression that the 3 worst > men in time were Hitler, Stalin and Walter > O'Malley.....that's sad I would > never want to have my name in the same sentence with > the first 2 guys! > So IM going to have to disagree with LA Times' > Bill Plaschke on electing > Walter O'Malley. I think he belongs where he is > now.....on the outside looking > in > That's my 2 cents > Rob Gioia Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:07:28 EDT Subject: Too good to be true? Ebay fun and a question. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com So, I bid on the following auction and won July 31st of this year. http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2744320711& It was a large lot of Phillies cards and included a '78, '79, '80 Schmidt, a '73 Carlton, a '61 Roberts and a bunch of oddball from 1983-2003. Usually I dont bid on stuff like this but put in a low $30 bid and won the auction for $23.25. Shipping was $8 but I figured it was big and I also put insurance on it, something I rarely do but figured it might be worth the extra $1. So, grand total was $32.25. The guy said he was going to ship it within the week since i paid paypal. August 20th rolls around and no package. I figured even if he shipped it media rate it should not take more than three weeks. He says he had personal problems and it went out late and I should be getting it any day now. I wait 3 more weeks (now six weeks) and tell him it has not arrived. I ask for a refund since I got insurance. He said that the post office contacted him and some of the boxes were lost and found again. He said he would check to see if mine was one. I wait another week. Now, I write him demanding a refund and he writes back that I should be more patient and he will refund the money promptly and he was sorry, etc. etc. More patient? I waited 7 weeks for a box. He did refund all my money. I gave him neutral feedback which he actually accepted as okay. Yesterday, the box finally arrived at my doorstep. 2 1/2 months later. It was postmarked from his postoffice on August 24th. After the first time I contacted him. Nearly a four weeks after I paid. He also used the cheap media rate ($5.15), packed it poorly in essentially a small pizza box, and there was no insurance or tracking on the package. I have had no contact with him since he refunded my money. Here is my question: Should I tell him I got the package and offer to pay him back since he is out the entire lot? Should I just let it go and be a lesson to him about getting insurance and tracking esp. when I pay for What should I do? The cards were okay but more dups than I like and a lot damaged by the shoddy packaging. I leave it up to my wiser OBC brethren. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Too good to be true? Ebay fun and a question. Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 21:36:15 -0700 From: "Greg $yaz$" The package sat at the Post Office for over six weeks. He was about 2 weekstardy sending them, (you gave him one week). If you want the cards still, send him the money, less $1.00 for the insurance that you didn't get. If you don't want the cards, send them back and tell him they were damaged because of poor shipping habits. He seems to be a poor dealer but not an evil one. Greg (yaz) Go Sox! ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 3:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Too good to be true? Ebay fun and a question. So, I bid on the following auction and won July 31st of this year. http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2744320711&category636&rd1 It was a large lot of Phillies cards and included a '78, '79, '80 Schmidt, a '73 Carlton, a '61 Roberts and a bunch of oddball from 1983-2003. Usually I dont bid on stuff like this but put in a low $30 bid and won the auction for $23.25. Shipping was $8 but I figured it was big and I also put insurance on it, something I rarely do but figured it might be worth the extra $1. So, grand total was $32.25. The guy said he was going to ship it within the week since i paid paypal.August 20th rolls around and no package. I figured even if he shipped it media rate it should not take more than three weeks. He says he had personalproblems and it went out late and I should be getting it any day now. I wait 3 more weeks (now six weeks) and tell him it has not arrived. I ask for a refund since I got insurance. He said that the post office contacted him and some of the boxes were lost and found again. He said he would check to see if mine was one. I wait another week. Now, I write him demanding a refund and he writes back that I should be more patient and he will refund the money promptly and he was sorry, etc. etc. More patient? I waited 7 weeks for a box. He did refund all my money. I gave him neutral feedback which he actually accepted as okay. Yesterday, the box finally arrived at my doorstep. 2 1/2 months later. Itwas postmarked from his postoffice on August 24th. After the first time I contacted him. Nearly a four weeks after I paid. He also used the cheap media rate ($5.15), packed it poorly in essentially a small pizza box, and there was no insurance or tracking on the package. I have had no contact with him since he refunded my money. Here is my question: Should I tell him I got the package and offer to pay him back since he is out the entire lot? Should I just let it go and be a lesson to him about getting insurance and tracking esp. when I pay for it!?!?! What should I do? The cards were okay but more dups than I like and a lotdamaged by the shoddy packaging. I leave it up to my wiser OBC brethren. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 23:12:18 EDT Subject: New eBay user ID To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com For those who keep track of such things, I have changed my eBay user ID from "directorth@aol.com" to a much simpler "obctom". Happy trading, Tom Housley ================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 13:05:25 EDT Subject: Ebay dealer problem solved To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com My first inclination was to just keep the lot and send him back the bid only minus the shipping charges. I e-mailed him and told him it arrived and asked him what he wanted to do. He e-mailed me back and said the big lots that he sent out were such a pain he never wanted to see them again :) Told me to keep the cards and my money and enjoy...I wish I could go back and leave positive feedback now...but it pays to be nice I guess. thanks for all the obcers who responded and it was split about 50-50 on keep the cards and keep quiet and send them back. ================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2003 20:05:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Speaking of Ebay..... From: "jimbo777777" After 727 positive transactions, I have my first negative feedback. It's of the retaliatory variety. The seller, to be avoided is: I won Item number 3145109940 from him on September 12, paid him immediately. His shipment finally arrived on September 27, which I thought was on the slow side, but of more concern that a substantial portion of the lot was missing. I wrote to him immediately, he said he'd look into it. Claimed he must have shipped it to the wrong bid winner. Weak, but possible. I wait. I heard nothing more, so I wrote again on October 5 and October 7, got no response at all. I wrote again, gave him until today, which would be a month, to at least write back and tell me that he working on it. No response. So, I left a factual negative feedback for him. Incomplete shipment, poor response to inquiry. Naturally, he hadn't left any feedback for me yet, despite my immediate payment, so I got back the retaliatory negative. I expected it, of course. Anyway, watch out for this seller! This is his 15th negative. ================= Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:09:00 EDT Subject: Re: Josh's Dilemma To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com you gave the guy a neutral, which is all he deserves. the fact you finally got the cards is of some note and I would contact him to either tell him you will return the cards or pay him half (or some such fraction) of what the original winning bid was as you did finally get the cards. the guys sounds like a real loser. ================= Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:30:53 EDT Subject: Great weekend for baseball and football To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Of course I'm thrilled about the Cubs wins on Fri and Sat, nothing can beat that except 5 more wins this season. But the football so far this weekend has been terrific. I have a son at TCU and so have have been to 2 of their 3 home games, so I was pretty happy to see then go to 6-0. The offense hasn't exactly been clicking on all cylinders, but 12 sacks should be enough (or did they only give them 10?) and it was. Are we down to 5 undefeated teams now or 6? The Wisconsin - Ohio State game was worth staying up for. I'm not a Wisconsin fan, and I went to half dozen Ohio State games during the 6 years I lived in Dayton, but I was really turned off by the play (well the after the play) that knocked the Wisconsin starting quarterback out of the game. I think it was dirty enough to demand a suspension of the player whose name I have already forgotten. Am I overreacting? Is that just football and that kinda stuff happens in a tough game? What do you think? - Doug ================= To: Subject: info needed Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 18:00:16 -0700 From: "terry ellis" can anyone give me some info on a wheaties recrd, take me out to the ball game? thanks, kit ================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:12:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: this and that From: "mikesportsfan" You can tell how out of line, the Red Sox were with the "incident" in game 3, in that I am now rooting for the Yankees. How could anyone make the Yankees seem sympathetic? Martinez and Ramirez should both have been tossed. Went to a card show today and picked up a couple of type cards (1934 Butterfinger R310 Berger (Are you reading this Doug C?), a 1961 Essex Meat Hawks & a 1960 Fleer AFL Team Decal). Also added 1960 Fleer College FB Pennant Team Decals to my FB wantlist. Also picked up some oddball items to make progress on a few sets I have not hit in a while.Does anyone have a 2003 Big Beckett BB guide? I would like to get the lists for the Tigers postcards/photos. Toronto is about 5 weeks away, so start getting your Canadian wantlists together for Ron, Earl, Carlos & I to look for. At least I hope they will join me at the show. Any others interested it is Nov. 14-16. I expect we will take over my sister's house again for lodging. Cinci show is October 26 and OBC dealer Mike Sandles will be present. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 22:04:49 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad News To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, I have returned from my west coast trip. On behalf of my family and myself I would like to thank everyone for the email I received for the prayers & ================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 04:22:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: need memphis aba 70's cards From: "mark zentkovich" thanks to kent goto for some hits this week to my list.. this is what I have left... thanks for looking.. '71/'72 - Memphis Pros > 158 Charlie Williams > 168 Wilbert Jones > 176 Gerald Govin > 185 James Jones > 203 Craig Raymond > 212 Lee Davis > 223 Al Cueto > '72/'73 - Memphis Tams > 193 Wilbert Jones > 221 George Thompson > '73/'74 - Memphis Tams > 185 George Thompson > 229 Warren Davis > 243 Johnny Neumann > '74/'75 - Memphis Sounds > 215 Larry Finch > '75/'76 - Memphis Sounds > (NOTE: the team was disbanded before the start of this > season) > 271 Collis Jones > 281 Team Leader Card > 301 Billy Shepherd thanks for the help to Kent Goto, Bob Reid. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 11:51:56 EDT Subject: Shelton To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Anyone still have Mark Shelton's address laying around...found a few Goudey Indians I would like to send him. Thanks- ================= Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:06:14 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Holiday From: digdugdig@webtv.net To all OBC members residing on the northern side of the border...HAPPY ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Holiday Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 13:18:53 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Thank you Doug...and a Happy Columbus Day right back atcha! To all OBC members residing on the northern side of the border...HAPPY To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 06:18:26 +0800 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Holiday From: Lynn Miller And let's not forget the U.S. Navy' s birthday. Happy 228th Birthday to all my shipmates. Lynn Grant Rainsley wrote: >Thank you Doug...and a Happy Columbus Day right back atcha! >To all OBC members residing on the northern side of the border...HAPPY >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 08:49:33 EDT Subject: Seat Swap To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Without trying to jinx the Cubs, I am looking to trade one excellent seat to Games 3, 4 and 5 of a World Series in Chicago for a decent seat to games one, two and possibly six and seven in Boston/New York. If anyone is interested, plmk ASAP. Gary Mandell work 773-348-7735 home 773-973-5987 ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: An upcoming visit! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 15:17:37 +0000 From: Glenn I've just heard from one of OBC's "old-timers", Mr George Hay, who it turns out is visiting the fair city of Glasgow next week. We've arranged to have dinner together next Wednesday evening. I'm really looking forward to it. George will be the 7th OBCer that I've met right here in Scotland. I figure that if I can live to about 180, I'll can meet all of you without ever having to leave home! I'll let you know how things go. Hell, I could probably write the report now....."Yet another terrific evening spent in great company.......". Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:30:24 EDT Subject: condition outside normal variation To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com My car radio is broken so I have some quiet contemplation time during my commute. Many of us collect sets that are objectively speaking, low grade, often bordering on poor, or very poor condition. What do you do when you get a hit to a set that is in significantly better condition than the rest in your binder? I apply the standard three standard deviation analysis of normal variation. If a card's condition is within three standard deviations of the average condition of my set, it's a keeper. If it's outside of three standard deviations of condition from the mean (often experienced when I pick up a card in EX or better condition for a prewar set). I of course am happy to make a hit to my wantlist, but then have a dilemma about reconciling the condition of a card outside of normally expected variation with a set -- it doesn't fit in well. My solution is to downgrade. My favorite downgrading experience is when I was collecting E90-2. Of my first 6 cards, the best one would charitably be graded as Fair. I then picked up a hit in EX+. It was beautiful! Outstanding color, no creases. However, it violated the three SD rule, so as soon as I got dupes on it (the dupe was right at my mean grade for the set), I got rid of it. Thank you for indulging my ramble. ================= To: "o b" Subject: WANTLIST TROUBLE Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:37:57 -0400 From: "jeff sinclair" It appears that my wantlist can't be viewed at the present time even thoughYahoo claims they are able to open my web site? Guess I'll have to build anew site. At the rate in which I type that may take a while............ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What a dope!! Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:47:51 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" I'm sure every fan in Wrigley tonight would have paid to give that dope a ball to take home, but no, he has to have the one Castilla hits. That guy is going to be hating life in Chicago... Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:35:14 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a dope!! To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com In a message dated 10/14/2003 8:51:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, illini90@earthlink.net writes: I'm sure every fan in Wrigley tonight would have paid to give that dope a ball to take home, but no, he has to have the one Castilla hits. That guy is going to be hating life in Chicago... ...waiting for the ball to show up on eBay....... ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:20:52 -0500 To: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] condition outside normal variation From: "Dr. John V Harrell" If you're having trouble disposing of those Ex or better prewar cards, I'll be happy to solve your dilemna. Send 'em to me :-) typecard@aol.com wrote: > My car radio is broken so I have some quiet contemplation time during > my commute. Many of us collect sets that are objectively speaking, low > grade, often bordering on poor, or very poor condition. What do you do > when you get a hit to a set that is in significantly better condition > than the rest in your binder? I apply the standard three standard > deviation analysis of normal variation. If a card's condition is > within three standard deviations of the average condition of my set, > it's a keeper. If it's outside of three standard deviations of > condition from the mean (often experienced when I pick up a card in EX > or better condition for a prewar set). I of course am happy to make a > hit to my wantlist, but then have a dilemma about reconciling the > condition of a card outside of normally expected variation with a set > -- it doesn't fit in well. My solution is to downgrade. My favorite > downgrading experience is when I was collecting E90-2. Of my first 6 > cards, the best one would charitably be graded as Fair. I then picked > up a hit in EX+. It was beautiful! Outstanding color, no creases. > However, it violated the three SD rule, so as soon as I got dupes on > it (the dupe was right at my mean grade for the set), I got rid of it. > Thank you for indulging my ramble. > Andy > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:20:05 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] condition outside normal variation To: jharrell@huntingdon.edu, Typecard@aol.com From: Wite3@aol.com Here is my problem with that theory... With several of my pre-war sets, when I find a card, I FIND A CARD. Meaning that I often have spent a long time trying to get that card. Therefore, I tend not to put more effort into finding another in a lower grade...I just crease and bend and rip until it fits nicely into my set. Why spend time and money on another card when once through the washing machine works wonders and puts cards into conditions more normal for my set. (Usually I dont do the above but I once ripped a '49 Ashburn in half accidentally by removing it from its PSA 6 holder) ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:23:57 EDT Subject: Fwd: Emailing: priceless To: KUF921@aol.com, Jerryslu@aol.com, Acwebman@aol.com, Bagwel27@aol.com, From: Glk@aol.com From: "JOEL GLICKMAN, GLICKMAN, JOEL" To: GLK@aol.com Subject: Fwd: Emailing: priceless Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 12:06:17 -0400 Content-ID: <2960_3800_1066233976_706@inet3-p171> ---- Original Msg from: MATTHEW SCHWARTZ, BLOOMBERG/ 499 PARK At: 10/15 10:50 Thought you would like this. Matt (See attached file: priceless.jpg) This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:20:37 EDT Subject: My apoloogies to Yankees fans To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, Well, it's official. The New York Yankees have been eliminated from the playoffs. How can that be you ask? They do, after all, have a 3-2 lead in the best of seven series with the Red Sox. This is a situation that has seen them advance to the next round every time for the last 77 years. Well, it's very simple - I've put the hex on them. Last night I was thinking, "What can I do to break 'The Curse of the Bambino'?" and it occurred to me: what type of voodoo or curse could I possibly know about that will work? I know of only one force in the universe that has the potential to break a curse that's been talked about for over 80 years. This morning I signed onto sportsbook.com and prepared to do the unthinkable as a Red Sox fan - place a bet ON THE YANKEES. Now normally this would call for a thorough psychiatric evaluation and months of therapy, but I have a plan. I've been betting on sports for years and my experience has taught me this: any bet I place on a team is basically the kiss of death. I could name plenty of instances where 'the sure thing' turned out to be whatever I didn't bet or the total opposite of what I did bet. Your horse win twenty in a row? He'll have to start a new streak after I'm done betting on him. There's a football team favored by two touchdowns? They'll be lucky to win the game outright if my money's on them. I tried just a sampling of my power the other day. I put $10 on the Yanks to win. However, the forces that be were unprepared for my actions and the game ended up getting rained out. My money got refunded, but I now had confirmation that my mojo was up and running. This effect seems to increase exponentially with the amount of money I place on the team, so I figure $100 straight up on New York should do the trick. But wait! What happens if the Red Sox do win game 6 and force a deciding game? Way ahead of you pal... I'm gonna bet $200 on the Yankees tomorrow! So the way I figure it, two things can happen: 1) I win a nice piece of change (ha ha, like that'll ever happen) and the Yanks go to the World Series or 2) I lose $300 and get to watch Nomar, Pedro and company play next week. It's a win-win situation for me. Idle thought: if things go right and I do end up losing all the money in my sportsbook.com account, I could sell a card or two to recoup the losses - hey, I've got a 48-49 Leaf Babe Ruth I can sell for cash :-) Anyway, after the Red Sox win the next two games, you'll know the REAL reason why. Cowboy up! Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:28:21 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com ken: please place a bet on the marlins ASAP!!!! i will even supply the cash if necessary! gm ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 15:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Here'sa Yankees fan who isn't accepting Ken M.'s apology... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet You think that's something, listen to my story: I was born in December 1972. A month later, the Yankees were sold to George Steinbrenner from CBS, and the network owned them through the worst era of Yankee baseball since the early 1900s. I was born in upstate New York, but moved to South Carolina a few months later. The Yankees began to have a resurgence, and was able to make the World Series for the first time in a dozen years by 1976. Alas, by late '76, I was living in upstate New York again and the Yankees lost the series. In 1977, we moved to Virginia, and I was beginning to follow baseball by the time the Bombers won their second straight World Series over the Dodgers in '78. While visiting in upstate New York during the summer of '79, I heard the breaking news of the plane crash that killed Thurman Munson. In 1980, we moved to Orlando, and The Yankees won the AL East both years I lived there. Then, we moved back to Carthage, New York permanently in 1982. The Yankees never made the series, despite having Dave Winfield, Don Mattingly, Ken Griffey, Rickey Henderson and Dave Righetti. Their farm system was so loaded with talent, they gave away guys like Willie McGee and Fred McGriff. By the time I graduated from high school in 1990, I realized that the Yankees weren't going to win if I stayed in the state of new York, so I joined the Army. 1990 and '91 were terrible years for the Yankees, but I think it had something to do with the fact that my permanent address was still in the Empire State. After my discharge from the Army, I went to college in New York and the one year the Yankees looked like they'd make it to the Series, there was a strike that finished the season. Upon graduating from college in 1996, I quickly moved back to Florida. Sure enough, the Yankees won the Series. They won again in 1998, '99, 2000 and may have won the 2001 Series if it weren't for the heart and determination of a Diamondback squad that surprised a lot of people. In October 2002, I had a buddy that was getting married, and I went back home to be his best man. Sure enough, the Yankees lost in the first round while I was there. Lesson learned. This year, I'm staying in Florida...in fact, I think I'll just visit New York again only outside of baseball season. No, I'm not going to entertain any offers by any OBCers to buy me a plane ticket home...until after Take care, --- cardclctor@aol.com wrote: > Hi gang, > Well, it's official. The New York Yankees have > been eliminated from the > playoffs. How can that be you ask? They do, after > all, have a 3-2 lead in the > best of seven series with the Red Sox. This is a > situation that has seen them > advance to the next round every time for the last 77 > years. Well, it's very > simple - I've put the hex on them. Last night I was > thinking, "What can I do to > break 'The Curse of the Bambino'?" and it occurred > to me: what type of voodoo or > curse could I possibly know about that will work? I > know of only one force in > the universe that has the potential to break a curse > that's been talked about > for over 80 years. This morning I signed onto > sportsbook.com and prepared to > do the unthinkable as a Red Sox fan - place a bet ON > THE YANKEES. Now normally > this would call for a thorough psychiatric > evaluation and months of therapy, > but I have a plan. I've been betting on sports for > years and my experience has > taught me this: any bet I place on a team is > basically the kiss of death. I > could name plenty of instances where 'the sure > thing' turned out to be whatever > I didn't bet or the total opposite of what I did > bet. Your horse win twenty > in a row? He'll have to start a new streak after I'm > done betting on him. > There's a football team favored by two touchdowns? > They'll be lucky to win the game > outright if my money's on them. I tried just a > sampling of my power the other > day. I put $10 on the Yanks to win. However, the > forces that be were > unprepared for my actions and the game ended up > getting rained out. My money got > refunded, but I now had confirmation that my mojo > was up and running. This effect > seems to increase exponentially with the amount of > money I place on the team, > so I figure $100 straight up on New York should do > the trick. But wait! What > happens if the Red Sox do win game 6 and force a > deciding game? Way ahead of you > pal... I'm gonna bet $200 on the Yankees tomorrow! > So the way I figure it, > two things can happen: 1) I win a nice piece of > change (ha ha, like that'll ever > happen) and the Yanks go to the World Series or 2) I > lose $300 and get to > watch Nomar, Pedro and company play next week. It's > a win-win situation for me. > Idle thought: if things go right and I do end up > losing all the money in my > sportsbook.com account, I could sell a card or two > to recoup the losses - hey, > I've got a 48-49 Leaf Babe Ruth I can sell for cash > :-) Anyway, after the Red > Sox win the next two games, you'll know the REAL > reason why. Cowboy up! > Ken M I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 19:06:32 EDT Subject: condition outside normal variation postscript To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com From: Typecard@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 20:30:24 EDT Subject: condition outside normal variation To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com My car radio is broken so I have some quiet contemplation time during my commute. Many of us collect sets that are objectively speaking, low grade, often bordering on poor, or very poor condition. What do you do when you get a hit to a set that is in significantly better condition than the rest in your binder? I apply the standard three standard deviation analysis of normal variation. If a card's condition is within three standard deviations of the average condition of my set, it's a keeper. If it's outside of three standard deviations of condition from the mean (often experienced when I pick up a card in EX or better condition for a prewar set). I of course am happy to make a hit to my wantlist, but then have a dilemma about reconciling the condition of a card outside of normally expected variation with a set -- it doesn't fit in well. My solution is to downgrade. My favorite downgrading experience is when I was collecting E90-2. Of my first 6 cards, the best one would charitably be graded as Fair. I then picked up a hit in EX+. It was beautiful! Outstanding color, no creases. However, it violated the three SD rule, so as soon as I got dupes on it (the dupe was right at my mean grade for the set), I got rid of it. Thank you for indulging my ramble. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Here'sa Yankees fan who isn't accepting Ken M.'s apology... Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:35:47 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Can we hire someone to kidnap Chris and ship him to NY? ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 18:39:57 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" Nice bet Ken! I hope you lose tomorrow's bet too :) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 20:50:47 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" You da man! Bob "a lonely Red Sox fan in NYC" Donaldson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 1:20 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans > > Hi gang, > > Well, it's official. The New York Yankees have been eliminated from > > playoffs. How can that be you ask? They do, after all, have a 3-2 lead > the > > best of seven series with the Red Sox. This is a situation that has seen > them > > advance to the next round every time for the last 77 years. Well, it's > very > > simple - I've put the hex on them. Last night I was thinking, "What can > do to > > break 'The Curse of the Bambino'?" and it occurred to me: what type of > voodoo or > > curse could I possibly know about that will work? I know of only one > in > > the universe that has the potential to break a curse that's been talked > about > > for over 80 years. This morning I signed onto sportsbook.com and > to > > do the unthinkable as a Red Sox fan - place a bet ON THE YANKEES. Now > normally > > this would call for a thorough psychiatric evaluation and months of > therapy, > > but I have a plan. I've been betting on sports for years and my > has > > taught me this: any bet I place on a team is basically the kiss of > I > > could name plenty of instances where 'the sure thing' turned out to be > whatever > > I didn't bet or the total opposite of what I did bet. Your horse win > twenty > > in a row? He'll have to start a new streak after I'm done betting on > > There's a football team favored by two touchdowns? They'll be lucky to > the game > > outright if my money's on them. I tried just a sampling of my power the > other > > day. I put $10 on the Yanks to win. However, the forces that be were > > unprepared for my actions and the game ended up getting rained out. My > money got > > refunded, but I now had confirmation that my mojo was up and running. > effect > > seems to increase exponentially with the amount of money I place on the > team, > > so I figure $100 straight up on New York should do the trick. But wait! > What > > happens if the Red Sox do win game 6 and force a deciding game? Way > of you > > pal... I'm gonna bet $200 on the Yankees tomorrow! So the way I figure > > two things can happen: 1) I win a nice piece of change (ha ha, like > that'll ever > > happen) and the Yanks go to the World Series or 2) I lose $300 and get > > watch Nomar, Pedro and company play next week. It's a win-win situation > for me. > > Idle thought: if things go right and I do end up losing all the money in > my > > sportsbook.com account, I could sell a card or two to recoup the losses - > hey, > > I've got a 48-49 Leaf Babe Ruth I can sell for cash :-) Anyway, after > Red > > Sox win the next two games, you'll know the REAL reason why. Cowboy up! > > > > Ken M > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 22:34:06 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans To: obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Ken - Quick, bet on the Marlins. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:14:48 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I think they should make the SOB who interferred with the foul ball last night sleep with the damn goat till the Cubs win a world series. - Doug ================= To: , Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:17:20 -0700 From: "Greg $yaz$" Yeah, but the goat is probably Alex Gonzalez. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: TraderDoug@aol.com ; obcbobd@comcast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] My apoloogies to Yankees fans I think they should make the SOB who interferred with the foul ball last night sleep with the damn goat till the Cubs win a world series. - Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 05:33:38 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@YahooGroups.com Subject: VARIATION: 78 Topps #374 Jose Morales in 2004 SCD page 493/Jimi From: keithsummers@webtv.net It was not listed in 2002 SCD & it is not on Andy's variation page checklist. It IS in the 2004 SCD which I got this week for $28 thru Amazon (free shipping). If you plan to order go to the link in Chris Stufflestreet's website & you earn him a few coins to put toward the site. I did use the link but I do not know what it is (send it Chris!) as I ordered weeks ago before the book was available for shipping. Anyway, the "A" version has red stitching on the ball. The "B" version has black overprint on the red stitching. It's on page 493 & I have yet to check to see if I have either, which are listed at .20 each. Also of note is just like the 2002 version they do not acknowledge the 3 variations of Don Landrum's 1966 card #43 :-( This despite our research back the early 90s by Larry Guru Tipton & Terry Poohbah Woods! (see OBC FAQs) I still have the printout from Prodigy where Guru called on all members to check the crotch of their Landrum cards! Weren't they listed in SCD back in 1998 or 2000. Regardless, why isn't it now since I heard SCD actually did a whole article on the 3 variations in one issue & I think that is what started our talk of it. BTW, (Dave H/George V/Andy C) which is the most rare & which is the most common? BTW, the 2004 edition has 500,000 cards vs the measley claim of almost 450,000 in 2002 :-) A whopping 1702 pages, 11,000+ sets & 12,500 pics vs the 2002's 1694 pages, 9500 sets & 12,000 pics. Also it covers 1867-2003 vs 1869-2001. I HIGHLY recommend this book! More on the 2004 edition's value listings next. Jimi, of the sites you rcvd last week to get checklists of players cards, which one is the best? I want to look a few players up. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 06:14:47 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@YahooGroups.com Subject: 2002 vs 2004 SCD card prices / 52 Zernial #31 From: keithsummers@webtv.net I looked up a few cards in each issue & thought I'd share my findings. 2002 2004 Year card # change $ 80 $115 1952 Zernial # 31 +$35 $225 $150 1956 Aaron # 31 -$75 $160 $235 1962 Maris # 1 +$75 $ 80 $ 70 1963 Stargell #553? -$10 $ 70 $ 50 1966 McCovey # -$20 $100 $ 60 1966 Tigers # -$40 $150 $ 90 1966 Gaylord # -$60 $ 25 $ 17.50 1966 Piersall # -$7.50 The $17.50 for Piersall makes him a common SP high # for 66 now. The only other $25 card in 2002 SCD from the 66 HI #s (#596 Nate Colbert RC) dropped to $20 vs Jimmy's drop to $17.50 (common SP HI#). I want even mention what has happened to the 74 Winfield RC or the 75 RCs of Brett & Yount as it makes me sick :-( Check out the 40% drop of the 66 Tigers team card. Gus went up $35 in 2 years! But you can still get him in decent cond on ebay for under $10 I see. BTW only 5 Zernials total have been graded by BGS & none are over a 5.5 grade. Anyone have a population report from PSA or others? I was going to sign up but it is not compatible with this crummy webtv browser. I've been told by a source I respect that there were probably about 124-125K, of him printed originally in 52 & maybe 15% still left. Comments welcome and appreciated on any of this. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:19:01 EDT Subject: Any help for this guy? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Hey Gang I got this today and thought I would pass it along. He is looking for people that made the majors but never actually played in a game. Here is his letter: I am beginning a collection of baseball cards of major league baseball players who never got to actually play in the big leagues. I have found some of these cards in Old Judge and T207. Do you know if any of the cards in T206 represent players who got to the majors, but did not get to play? Thank you, Gilbert Maines ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 14:44:52 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] dazed and confused To: TraderDoug@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 10/16/03 1:36:06 PM Central Daylight Time, TraderDoug I was going to suggest that it was either your fault for requesting american league park tickets or Morganti's for not betting on the Marlins. If Boston wins tonight you'll be off the hook and we'll know it was kens fault. If NY wins the goat may have to move to your house. - Doug you mean ken DIDN'T bet on the marlins, even after i told him i would fund the bet? ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 15:38:45 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: BoSox From: ehpiii@aol.com My prediction: Sox squish the Fish in 6 (our 15-month old daughter would say "ish"). Billy Buckner gets to throw out the first pitch (just kidding about ole Billy Buck !!!) ================= To: Subject: 1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:44:44 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Re: Keith Summer's note: Dick Gilkeson's 1989 book listed the #374 Morales variation which I have. SCD's prior approach on this was to not list variations unless there was a premium in price for one version. Apparently they have changed their mind. Gilkeson also listed 3 variations for #520 Hisle but later told me that they had not been verified and probably don't exist. I have also heard of a similar second variation for #536 Harrison but I haven't run across the black on red stitching - although I'll have to admit that I forgot to look for it. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 19:57:17 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide To: vrechek@ameritech.net, keithsummers@webtv.net From: typecard@aol.com In a message dated 10/16/2003 6:47:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, vrechek@ameritech.net writes: > Dick Gilkeson's 1989 book listed the #374 Morales variation which I have. > SCD's prior approach on this was to not list variations unless there was a > premium in price for one version. Apparently they have changed their mind. > Gilkeson also listed 3 variations for #520 Hisle but later told me that they > had not been verified and probably don't exist. > I have also heard of a similar second variation for #536 Harrison but I > haven't run across the black on red stitching - although I'll have to admit that > I forgot to look for it. I have a couple of each of the versions of the Morales variation. I have looked at thousands of 1978s and have not found variations for either Hisle or Harrison. Hisle doesn't have any stitches on the baseball - this the only 1978 without stitches. Harrison is only found with black stitches. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 17:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VARIATION: 78 Topps #374 Jose Morales in 2004 SCD page 493/Jimi Thayer To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@YahooGroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet --- keithsummers@webtv.net wrote: > It was not listed in 2002 SCD & it is not on Andy's > variation page > checklist. It IS in the 2004 SCD which I got this > week for $28 thru > Amazon (free shipping). If you plan to order go to > the link in Chris > Stufflestreet's website & you earn him a few coins > to put toward the > site. I did use the link but I do not know what it > is (send it Chris!) Always happy to accomodate requests: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/books.html And thanks for the help! Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Emailing: priceless Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 23:26:58 -0500 From: "meyergray" To whom it may concern, I do not find this email/picture patricianly amusing. Many people might want to sit in their living rooms and claim that, had they been in Mr. Bartman's position, THEY would have known better and not "interfered" with the Cubs and their destiny. I find that hard to believe. As for who is responsible for "fucking up your team's chances", perhaps a call could be made to Mark Prior (why couldn't the "next great pitcher" simply make another "next great pitcher" pitch and gotten another out?). What about Mr. Alex Gonzalez (ball into glove....HELLO)? What about Moises Alou (jump higher . . . orat the very least don't act like a baby . . . as if he would have made the play even if Bartman had not been there). What about good old Dusty Baker (does he know that he has a bullpen, and that Mark Prior has thrown more pitches this year than any other pitcher)? Another place to put the blame might be the Cubs bats -- three runs is a touch anemic..... And, if I recall, there was a game seven that was played the next day. Regardless, the Chicago Cubs baseball team has no one to blame but themselves for losing theNLCS (although the Marlins might have had SOMETHING to do with it). John Scott Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: Glk@aol.com To: KUF921@aol.com ; Jerryslu@aol.com ; Acwebman@aol.com ; Bagwel27@aol.com ; CardClctor@aol.com ; DINO72@aol.com ; DLebovitz@aol.com ; sfeld6956@netscape.net ; JCERU8600@aol.com ; LPIAZZI@aol.com ; nerdmaker@naspa.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; TraderDoug@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Emailing: priceless ================= To: "Ramblings $OBC$" Subject: @#$%ing Yankees Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 21:17:12 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" ================= To: "Ramblings $OBC$" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] @#$%ing Yankees Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:20:36 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" no, @#$%%^& Grady Little ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 12:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] @#$%ing Yankees Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:28:22 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Emailing: priceless To: meyergray@msn.com, KUF921@aol.com, Jerryslu@aol.com, Acwebman@aol.com, From: tply@aol.com Take it easy! We didn't all take offense! ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:53:02 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Emailing: priceless To: meyergray@msn.com, KUF921@aol.com, Jerryslu@aol.com, Acwebman@aol.com, From: Traderdoug@aol.com If you were a cubs fan you'd understand. WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!!! - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 00:59:57 EDT Subject: Gotta Leave To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Jocraig@aol.com, pb1940@banet.net, From: tply@aol.com I have decided it is time for me to depart from this group. I do this with some great memories and some difficulty. Be well my friends! Another Baseball Quote: "I never tried to outsmart nobody, it was easier to outdummy them." ------Dizzy Dean Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: "bb thanks" , Subject: test Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:48:26 -0400 From: "jeff sinclair" ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:14:05 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 10/17/03 6:03:40 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Re: Keith Summer's note: Dick Gilkeson's 1989 book listed the #374 Morales variation which I have. SCD's prior approach on this was to not list variations unless there was a premium in price for one version. Apparently they have changed their mind. Gilkeson also listed 3 variations for #520 Hisle but later told me that they had not been verified and probably don't exist. I have also heard of a similar second variation for #536 Harrison but I haven't run across the black on red stitching - although I'll have to admit that I forgot to look for it. >> I checked out all my 1978 sets and my dupes and here's what my research 1) I own more than 25 copies of #248 Frank White. 2) There's only three cards I found that don't have all red stitching. They are #374 Morales, #520 Hisle (none) and #536 Harrison. 3) The number 374 Morales does come in both the red and black/red stitching. I found the red stitching to be harder to find. It actually looks like there was an attempt to airbrush the black stitching away, but there is some remaining on the ball. 4) None of the Hisle's I saw had any stitching on the basball. 5) Now I know why my brother thought there was a Mike Lum card in every pack... and I probably still have most of them (20+). 6) #536 Roric Harrison had what appeared to be two versions - an all black stitching and one that looked fuzzy, maybe a red/black stitched ball. I scanned a couple and put them under magnification. It appears as though the black stitching is actually red, yellow and blue print ovelaying each other. The 'fuzzy' looking stitching has the red and blue bands slightly off from each other, so that there's no white area between the stitches - almost like a single solid band of color. There were 5 examples in my dupes box. Three of them had the black stitching and two of them looked like black and red. All of the cards in my sets had black stitching. 6a) Of the 2 cards that appeared to have red/black stitching, one of them also had a barely noticeable red shadow near his hat and collar, the other appeared to have an even less noticeable blue shadow in the same places as well as in the baseball. My guess is that it was not a printing correction like the Morales card appears to be, just a slight registration problem during one of the print runs. However, none of the photos appeared to be fuzzy or out of 7) No matter what I do to try to occupy myself, I can't stop thinking about the game last night and feeling miserable. For the record, I did bet on the Marlins the other night and won that bet as well as $200 on the Yankees last night. It doesn't really soften the blow at all though... especially because I was up all night losing it at the online casino :-( At least now I can concentrate on football seaon. GO PATS! TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 17:43:24 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 10/17/2003 1:17:50 PM Central Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: > For the record, I did bet on the > Marlins the other night and won that bet as well as $200 on the Yankees last > night That settles it Gary. You and the guy who tried to catch the foul ball now share the blame for the Cubs loss. Morganti is off the hook. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:27:03 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide To: TraderDoug@aol.com, CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 10/17/03 4:47:03 PM Central Daylight Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: In a message dated 10/17/2003 1:17:50 PM Central Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: For the record, I did bet on the Marlins the other night and won that bet as well as $200 on the Yankees last That settles it Gary. You and the guy who tried to catch the foul ball now share the blame for the Cubs loss. Morganti is off the hook. - Doug i will hold a press conference tomorrow to make all kinds of excuses about how i am a real fan and was too stupid to realize i was doing anything wrong. it seems to have worked for steven bartman (by the way, a 29 year old little league coach who lives with his mom?) ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:53:49 EDT Subject: Annual GBSCC show: Wilmington, MA To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com As promised, a gentle reminder for those in the Northeast who are done with leaf peeping and are looking for something to do... Subj: Annual GBSCC show: Wilmington, MA Date: 8/20/2003 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Even though it's still a couple of months away, it's never too early to mark the calendar. This years event will be October 31 - November 2. Hours, autograph guests and other information can be found at the Greater Boston Sports Collectors Club website... http://www.gbscc.com/ For us up here in New England it is by far and away the best card show in the area. I'll be sure to send out another note in mid-October. Can you tell I haven't been to a show in months?? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:06:20 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Curses! From: Originaleek@webtv.net Such talk of curses, anti-luck & bad karma abound as the Cubbies & Bosox helplessly watched their respective seasons come to an abrupt end. As accusations fly around like cardboard at an OBC get together, one man sits back in a cloak of unnatural silence and observes the unravelling. An undeniable similarity holds the key to the identity of the real creator of the curse. Beware and behold, the curse kicks in at five outs away with a three run lead. Think my OBC brethren, who comes to mind? Let there not be doubt who the true curse culprit is? St. Al ! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "cardclctor@aol.com" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:23:22 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" Ken -- I would recommend that with all the money you won, you shouldn't buy anymore 1978 commons...it seems like you covered pretty well in that Take Care, Geno > [Original Message] > From: > To: > Date: 10/17/2003 11:14:05 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]1978 variation listed in 2004 SCD guide > In a message dated 10/17/03 6:03:40 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > << Re: Keith Summer's note: > Dick Gilkeson's 1989 book listed the #374 Morales variation which I have. > SCD's prior approach on this was to not list variations unless there was > premium in price for one version. Apparently they have changed their > Gilkeson also listed 3 variations for #520 Hisle but later told me that > had not been verified and probably don't exist. > I have also heard of a similar second variation for #536 Harrison but I > haven't run across the black on red stitching - although I'll have to admit that I > forgot to look for it. >> > I checked out all my 1978 sets and my dupes and here's what my research > showed: > 1) I own more than 25 copies of #248 Frank White. > 2) There's only three cards I found that don't have all red stitching. > are #374 Morales, #520 Hisle (none) and #536 Harrison. > 3) The number 374 Morales does come in both the red and black/red > I found the red stitching to be harder to find. It actually looks like > was an attempt to airbrush the black stitching away, but there is some > remaining on the ball. > 4) None of the Hisle's I saw had any stitching on the basball. > 5) Now I know why my brother thought there was a Mike Lum card in every > pack... and I probably still have most of them (20+). > 6) #536 Roric Harrison had what appeared to be two versions - an all > stitching and one that looked fuzzy, maybe a red/black stitched ball. I > a couple and put them under magnification. It appears as though the black > stitching is actually red, yellow and blue print ovelaying each other. The 'fuzzy' > looking stitching has the red and blue bands slightly off from each other, so > that there's no white area between the stitches - almost like a single > band of color. There were 5 examples in my dupes box. Three of them had > black stitching and two of them looked like black and red. All of the cards in > my sets had black stitching. > 6a) Of the 2 cards that appeared to have red/black stitching, one of > also had a barely noticeable red shadow near his hat and collar, the > appeared to have an even less noticeable blue shadow in the same places as well > as in the baseball. My guess is that it was not a printing correction like the > Morales card appears to be, just a slight registration problem during one > the print runs. However, none of the photos appeared to be fuzzy or out > focus. > 7) No matter what I do to try to occupy myself, I can't stop thinking > the game last night and feeling miserable. For the record, I did bet on > Marlins the other night and won that bet as well as $200 on the Yankees > night. It doesn't really soften the blow at all though... especially because I was > up all night losing it at the online casino :-( At least now I can > concentrate on football seaon. GO PATS! TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 03:57:19 EDT Subject: My Heartfelt Thanks! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I have heard from a number of dear friends since I decided to leave this group and I have decided to go "Inactive" as opposed to leave and I sent them all the following message: "Thanks for you kind thoughts! I have not been as involved as I would like since 9/11 and most of the group really do not know us old guys and have little interest in what we may say. This is probably the best move for me at this With that said, of late I have been discouraged by what has gone on with the group. I can, with very fond memories, remember how it was in the beginning and through most of the almost 15 years OBC has been around. To see OBC move in another direction is understandable it is called progress, however the direction OBC is headed is not necessarily for me. We have heard little from the current AC (good or bad) over the last year. Perhaps to most of you that is OK, it is not to me. We, as a group have done many wonderful things and I am proud of what we use to be. I believe the AC should promote more of the things we do as a group that goes beyond collecting and fosters the honest friendship this group was founded on. I have made lifelong friends by being a part of OBC and that I truly cherish! I will always stay in touch with those that choose to continue our It would take me a long time to try and describe the many things we have done as a group that makes me so proud to be one of the early members. I am sure others could do a better job than me telling the stories! Another Baseball Quote: "We'll do all right if we can capitalize on our mistakes." ------Mickey Rivers, Texas Rangers outfielder, 1984 Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 01:01:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another founder leaving From: "mikesportsfan" I am very disappointed at Rick going inactive and contemplating leaving the group altogether. Earlier this year we lost anotehr long- time member (was it Bnob Schaub?). Other founders and/or long-term members have been less active in the group (Guru does not put up a list for us to hit), etc. I consider myself an "intermediate" member. Not a long-time founder, but not a "newbie", with 3 years in. When I joined I heard of some of the great things the group had done. We have continued some of that tradition, most recently with the Redpath projects. I have taken great pride in the group, proudly wearing my OBC hat and shirt at shows and trying to sprad the word to other collectors, locally and on-line. I consider it a tremendous "reference" to give to people who I approach to trade with, that I am a member of this Naturally with the addition of new members and the growth of the group, it will lose some of its intimacy. It is harder to make close friends with 140 people then 30. That said, in the 3 years I have been a member, that I have befriended numerous folks and created a few extremely close friendships. Friends that I can rely on for help if my personal life called for it. An example, is when I was taken to teh emergency roon a year ago and Mark Talbot showed up with some healing power of cardboard so I would not be alone in teh emergency room. I also received an offer from another member, who I had never met in person to come and stay with me while I recuperated at home. Likewise, I have tried to help out. 1 member was going through some cash flow difficulties, and I lent them a few thousand $ until things got better. I have had members over to the house for get togethers, and a couple have spent the nite. Ron Perry and Earl Kilborne have accompanied me to the Toronto show, where we have taken over my sisters house. I have also been to Earl's & Mark's. I have been offered couches to crash on by multiple members, including Kent Goto and Matt Heileman, whom I have met at Nationals and Tom Housely, whom I have never even met, yet he has extended an invitation for me to stay over. I make so few long-distance calls that I no longer even have a long distance carrier. However, that has not stopped me from calling Gleen in Scotland, Lynn in the Phillipines and a few of our Canadian members. I have also called numerous members here in the states. Please remember the collecting is a hobby for us to be enjoyed and it is lot more fun to share it with friends. OBC to me is a state of mind and hopefully we can uphold the legacy of the group. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:09:20 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VARIATION: 78 Topps #374 Jose Morales in 2004 SCD page 49... To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@YahooGroups.com From: typecard@aol.com I rechecked my 78 set tonight and have scanned several variations. Many people know I have a variation checklist up on my aol sight, but I've now filled up my free aol server space so I'm in the process of moving and expanding my sight with tons more pictures to www.typecard.com It's still in process so there are lots of broken links and missing pictures, but I posted a page dedicated to 1978 variations tonight that includes pics of the two Morales variations and two Harrison variations, as well as a couple color variations that I like. The direct link is 1978 Topps Variations ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Garbage records Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:13:30 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I hate records like the one Bernie Williams tied tonight - most HRs in postseason. Of course he has a bunch, with all the extra rounds of playoffs. He tied the Mick for God's sake, that just isn't right. Let's talk about most HRs lifetime in the WS alone, or LCS alone, or whatever, but don't compare these clowns to the Mick... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:14:53 -0400 (EDT) To: illini90@earthlink.net Subject: 20s vs 90s From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Geno Wagner" Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 20:13:30 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Garbage records ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 00:23:01 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another founder leaving To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Very well put...I do think OBC is continuing to promote cardboard, trading, and friendship. I will miss Rick dearly as he is one of first to meet me and one of the first I traded with. He let me stay at his house, invited me to his wedding, traded cards with me, and is a true friend. He will be missed but because he chooses inactive status, hopefully he will stay in touch and come to ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 23:21:45 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Founder From: digdugdig@webtv.net Hi all, Although a short term member of the group, I can't help but feel a bit disheartened by "long time" members of the group choosing to leave, or become "inactive". The reason I wanted to join OBC, or at least one of, was the members themselves and who they are...people with some, as I refer to it, "old world ethics". Maybe for my own satisfaction, it makes ME feel good to make a total stranger's day with a "go ahead at the stop light", or let someone get in front of me at the checkout line...simple gestures that makes everyone feel good!!...and just flat out being a little considerate!! It "tickles" me to make someones day with a simple gesture of sending a piece of cardbaord or two...to me...that's OBC. Mr. Tipton...please post your wantlist!!! We miss you!! ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 11:35:02 EDT Subject: RE: 20's vs 90'sConditioning and TRIP leaving To: keithsummers@webtv.net, illini90@earthlink.net From: Sweendoger@aol.com Interesting. Steroid use a side, I know that through a better training and living environment that the human race has gotten faster and stronger. However, I wonder how many guys working loading docks and farms in the 1920's could have surpassed even Babe Ruth's accomplishments had they grown up in a home for boys in Baltimore rather than some dustbowl town in Oklahoma (Mantle excluded). I thought about this last night at my son's pony baseball game. A boy named Casey Millar is on his team, which is in a very competitive league with exceptional training. KC is the brother of Bosox first baseman Kevin (throw the ball to Pedro!) Millar. Kevin also came out of this league, in fact he was part of the 1984 world champions against the Philippines. You have to wonder if Kevin would have made the show and playoffs if he had not developed his potential physical gifts as a kid. Further, how many kids had more potential than most, but never had it developed? Did we miss the opportunity to see a player that would have overshadowed Ruth? Today if you are born with sport skills, our culture guides you right into early athletic development -- on your way to the million dollar payoff. I wonder how many farmers in year's past had the ability to throw baseball sized rocks at the side of a barn at 115 mph or had the physical ability to smack a 590' homer -- but know one cared? Of course, had that farmer made it to the big leagues, he would have been signed by the Yankees and I would have been forced to hate him (or her). Sorry to hear that Trip is going to sit on the back-burner for a while. I too have considered the move because my schedule is way too full. Instead of going to the inactive list, I have decided to just sit back and continue to monitor the activity and return gifts. I suppose that I am semi-active, not in-active. Regarding the activity and life of OBC, I have been in the group for what 6 years (???), and I remember members complaining about how it "wasn't the same" back then. Things change, but the spirit of this group is still alive with great guys (and gal) all having each other for an unbelievable resource. Pat Sweeney In a message dated 10/18/2003 9:16:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: Geno, I agree for the most part & that is why I hate to see talk about going to a shorter season. That would mess up all the records where they played 162 games. One of the announcers did mention about Mick's being all in the WS plus in fewer games right after the Bernie comment. I guess ABs would be the best way to compare. But I wonder how many of Mantles 18 were 317" or less? How far was the RF fence? 297? Yes I know he often hit 400 foot shots. Also, so many things have changed since the early 1900s that I hate to see those records compared to today's players. Babe Ruth was FAR ahead of the avg player in his time but nobody will convince me that he could play in the 1980s-1990s & be better all around than say Dave Parker, Joe Morgan, Dale Murphy or Al Belle. Imagine if Murphy could go back in time & play in that era or Ruth play in 2000. Before you say I'm crazy keep in mind that my high school 100 meter time in 1978 (about 12.0) would have made me one of the fastest men in the world in 1896 Olympics vs Jim Thorpe! But in 1978 it was only good enough for 2nd place at a 9th grade track meet. The world record in 1978 was "about" 9.95 I'd guess which is about 2 seconds quicker in 82 years (about 11.95 in 1896). I'd love to see guys like Nick Esasky, Champ Summers, Ron Gant, Cecil Fielder or Kevin Mitchell play in the 20s. Sure bats & balls were different but the guys today are stronger & much faster than the ones before WW2. ================= To: "Mac Wubben" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Bama's geography lesson Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 15:25:54 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Ahhh...we have a winner !! In the first of many "Ed Ott Giveaway" contests to come, our lucky contestant correctly identified Ed as having the shortest name in MLB history ! The prize in this giveaway is an old baseball card of one of the greatest pinch-hitters of all-time (although greatly unknown by any but the hardcore fan)...and the pride of Mahanoy City, PA.....Ron Northey !! Why Ron had 3 pinch-hit Grand Slams (a record) and once had 15 pinch -hits in one season...13 of those coming with two strikes !!! Now that's an extreme definition of trivial, but not necessarily useless information !! I hope you enjoy your prize ! Betcha didn't even know you were playing !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mac Wubben" To: Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Bama's geography lesson > I couldn't let an ed ott reference pass by uncommented upon...yes the > immortal ed ott...as a 10 year old, I distinctly remember reading on the > back of his '83 fleer baseball card...Did you know...Ed has the shortest > name in the majors. Weird what sticks with you. I should probably dig > card out to see how closely my memory compares to what's actually written. > Mac > >From: "Brian Lindholme" > >To: "OBC Thanks" > >Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Bama's geography lesson > >Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 22:14:12 -0700 > > > >The busy Bama mailed a fine card to the west today, a semi-high 62 > >birthyear Woodie of Cal McLish !! Great condition but I'm still keeping > >it.... > > > >Interesting thing about Cal McLish, as his full name according to my old > >Sports Encyclopedia of Baseball is Calvin Coolidge Julius Caesar > >McLish. (The opposite name length from a guy like Ed Ott) > > > >Calvin Coolidge came from Plymouth, Vermont, and was President of the > >Current Presidential candidate Howard Dean was governor of Vermont at the > >time I moved to Oregon 5 years ago. > >McLish was born in Oklahoma. > >Caesar was presumably born in Rome,Italy and John Harrell send this card > >from Biscuitland Montgomery, Alabama. > > > >All totally unrelated, useless information !!! (I've been known as > >of an authority in the realm of nonsense) > > > >Of course, the real point is to thank Bama for a great card !!! > > > >OBC-Forever, > >Brian > _________________________________________________________________ > Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American > Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Guru Update Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:27:12 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" I have wanted to send a Guru update message for a few days anyway. So here goes. Many of you know that 2 =BD years ago my wife of over 26 years left me. I never saw it coming. I am not the same person my wife married in 1975. You see, in 1986 with four kids and a mortgage I became a believer in Jesus Christ. My life has never been the same. In the Bible, Paul talks about believers living with non-believers, and it is not always easy. 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 Paul says if the un-believer wants to leave, the believer should let them leave. My wife filed for divorce, and twelve days ago on October 7th ourdivorce was final. I still treasure my OBC membership, and I look forward to reading the "Ramblings Digest" each day. But obviously I have had other issues I needed to deal with. Don't worry about me, I am happy! I have four wonderful kids thatlove me, and a granddaughter that is my best friend. Yes it's true my bestfriend wears huggies! I have a great job that I totally love! I am a very blessed I am facilitating a Divorce Recovery support group at my church. We meet every Wednesday night. I want to help others. I resurfaced several months ago, and with Lynn Millers help we accomplishedthe OBC T-shirt OBC Stickers project. I really enjoyed this, and it helpedme get my mind off other issues. My wantlist was posted for several weeks,and I received many cards including the last card I needed to complete my 1966 set. The difficult #591 Grant Jackson rookie courtesy of my old pal Jim Wiehe. I have been mostly silent since, I know you guys understand. Where am I today? My wife was very kind to me in our divorce settlement. Florida law can be VERY generous to women in long term marriages that never worked outside the home. But with three of our four kids in college, they were the ones that would be hurt the most. My wife receives alimony, but it could have been MUCH worse. I believe I will still be able to provide the financial support my kids will need to get them through school. I have to give my ex =BD of the equity in our home, and I am in the process of refinancing my house to get her cash. Yes I get to keep my house too, and I am getting a much improved interest rate so this appears that it is going to work out as well. IRAs have to be split, and she will receive her fair share of my retirement too (hey at least I get =BD of her Social Security!). And I guess the best part is that we were able to work this out without going through a difficult and expensive court battle. Many times people get ruined financially because of expensive lawyers. I am thankful that this did not happen to me. My youngest child turned 18 this past August. I have a lot more freedom now, and I definitely see me traveling to some major card shows, and OBC gatherings across the country. I have been semi-active on Ebay over these past months and have managed to finish my 1964 Topps set, and I am one card away from completing my 1967 Topps set. I need 4 cards to finish my 1963 set, 8 cards for my 1962 set, and just 20 to finish my 1961 Topps set. So just 33 cards and I have complete Topps sets from 1959-UV era. That is hard to believe. I still love my baseball cards! But I have to be real honest with everyone here. Over the past two years I did not know how my financial situation would turn out. I decided that if Ineeded to sell my baseball card collection to provide for my children's college education, I would. It appears that I am going to be just fine financially, but I would not hesitate to sell my entire collection if I needed funds for my kids. Some things are more important than baseball cards. That is probably the main reason my wantlist has not been posted on the website. Plus my doubles box is almost totally empty. Time to close this out. Don't worry about me, I am happy! I am surrounded by family that loves me, and I am a blessed man! I am very excited about my future. I want to honor God in everything I do. Larry Tipton (better known as) "The Guru" Home phone #(904)879-6851 Cell #(904)318-9372 P.S. I will post my wantlist on the website tonight. ================= Date: 19 Oct 2003 23:53:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: SCD 2004 revisions From: "obcjohn@knology.net" It seems that Bob Lemke has included my suggestion of revision for the description of the 1934 Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) set in the4 2004 SCD catalog. For years, and I can only suppose since price guides have been coming out, the set has been listed as coming in both All English and English/French backs. Having collected the set for about 6 years, having looked at several hundred cards in the set, and never having seen an all English back, I concluded that this was a case of false assumption. The false assumption was that because the 1933 Can. Goudey set comes with both backs and is about the same size, that the 34 set must follow the same pattern. The new 2004 SCD now correctly states that the 34 set comes only with the English/French back. By the way, Mac informs me that Shawn green last year broke Adcock's single game total base record. Could someone give me the details on this ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:38:36 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" May 23d, Shawn went 6 for 6 with 4 homers, a double, and a single for 19 total bases. Joe Adcock had 4 homers and a double on July 31, 1954 for 18 total bases. Shawn had 7 RBI's to tie the single game record (Adcock also had 7 RBI's in his game). Shawn also scored 6 runs. But wait, that's not all folks! The next day Shawn hit another homer to tie the ML record of 5 homers in 2 days. He finished that game with 6 total bases to tie the ML record of 25 in two days - a record previously accomplished by Ty Cobb and JoeAdcock. Then, the next day he hit two more homers, for the ML record of 7in three days. Not bad, not bad . . . -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: obcjohn@knology.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions It seems that Bob Lemke has included my suggestion of revision for the description of the 1934 Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) set in the4 2004 SCD catalog. For years, and I can only suppose since price guides have been coming out, the set has been listed as coming in both All English and English/French backs. Having collected the set for about 6 years, having looked at several hundred cards in the set, and never having seen an all English back, I concluded that this was a case of false assumption. The false assumption was that because the 1933 Can. Goudey set comes with both backs and is about the same size, that the 34 set must follow the same pattern. The new 2004 SCD now correctly states that the 34 set comes only with the English/French back. By the way, Mac informs me that Shawn green last year broke Adcock's single game total base record. Could someone give me the details on this Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:53:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru Update To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Wow, I am glad things seem to be working themselves out. It is really good to hear that you are doing well and still have that wonderful positive attitude that attracted me to OBC in the first place. I will take a look at the old wantlist and see what I can do. Take care- ================= Date: 20 Oct 2003 02:14:38 -0000 To: "Dave Fallen" , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Thanks for the update on the Shawn Green record. However, the single game RBI record is held by "Sunny Jim" Bottomley who drove in 12 runs against the Brooklyn Dodgers with 6 hits back in the 30's. On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:38:36 -0700, "Dave Fallen" wrote : > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > May 23d, Shawn went 6 for 6 with 4 homers, a double, and a single for 19 total bases. Joe Adcock had 4 homers and a double on July 31, 1954 for 18 total bases. Shawn had 7 RBI's to tie the single game record (Adcock also had 7 RBI's in his game). Shawn also scored 6 runs. But wait, that's not all folks! The next day Shawn hit another homer to tie the ML record of 5 homers in 2 days. He finished that game with 6 total bases to tie the ML record of 25 in two days - a record previously accomplished by Ty Cobb and Joe Adcock. Then, the next day he hit two more homers, for the ML record of 7 in three days. Not bad, not bad . . . > -Dave Fallen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: obcjohn@knology.net > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions > It seems that Bob Lemke has included my suggestion of revision for the > description of the 1934 Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) set in the4 > SCD catalog. For years, and I can only suppose since price guides > been coming out, the set has been listed as coming in both All > and English/French backs. Having collected the set for about 6 years, > having looked at several hundred cards in the set, and never having > an all English back, I concluded that this was a case of false > assumption. The false assumption was that because the 1933 Can. > set comes with both backs and is about the same size, that the 34 set > follow the same pattern. The new 2004 SCD now correctly states that > 34 set comes only with the English/French back. > By the way, Mac informs me that Shawn green last year broke Adcock's > single game total base record. Could someone give me the details on > feat? > Bama > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: A Beautiful Mantle Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:04:17 -0400 From: "Brian Dwyer" I found this picture of a '65 Topps Mantle "cleverly decorated" by a Red Sox fan. Some of you might enjoy it. http://imagehost.vendio.com/preview/se/sellerman23/1965350.jpg ================= Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:40:15 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru Update To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I am so glad to hear that things have turned out ok for you. I know how ugly divorce can be. But the burning question on this reporter's mind is, "do you still have the VW Beetle?" ================= To: "Dave Fallen" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:54:55 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Let's not forget the unforgettable Mark Whiten. His game of 4 HR's and 12 RBI is sometimes known as the greatest individual game in MLB history. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dave Fallen" ; ; Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions > Thanks for the update on the Shawn Green record. However, the single game > RBI record is held by "Sunny Jim" Bottomley who drove in 12 runs against > the Brooklyn Dodgers with 6 hits back in the 30's. > Bama > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:38:36 -0700, "Dave Fallen" > wrote : > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > May 23d, Shawn went 6 for 6 with 4 homers, a double, and a single for 19 > total bases. Joe Adcock had 4 homers and a double on July 31, 1954 for 18 > total bases. Shawn had 7 RBI's to tie the single game record (Adcock also > had 7 RBI's in his game). Shawn also scored 6 runs. But wait, that's not > all folks! The next day Shawn hit another homer to tie the ML record of 5 > homers in 2 days. He finished that game with 6 total bases to tie the ML > record of 25 in two days - a record previously accomplished by Ty Cobb and > Joe Adcock. Then, the next day he hit two more homers, for the ML record > of 7 in three days. Not bad, not bad . . . > > > > -Dave Fallen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: obcjohn@knology.net > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions > > > > > > It seems that Bob Lemke has included my suggestion of revision for the > > description of the 1934 Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) set in the4 > 2004 > > SCD catalog. For years, and I can only suppose since price guides > have > > been coming out, the set has been listed as coming in both All > English > > and English/French backs. Having collected the set for about 6 years, > > having looked at several hundred cards in the set, and never having > seen > > an all English back, I concluded that this was a case of false > > assumption. The false assumption was that because the 1933 Can. > Goudey > > set comes with both backs and is about the same size, that the 34 set > must > > follow the same pattern. The new 2004 SCD now correctly states that > the > > 34 set comes only with the English/French back. > > > > By the way, Mac informs me that Shawn green last year broke Adcock's > > single game total base record. Could someone give me the details on > this > > feat? > > > > Bama > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:05:21 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" You are correct, sorry for the error. It should have been obvious that 7 RBI's is too low of a total be a record. The record he tied was most runs scored in a game (6). Now THAT would be tough to beat in a 9 inning game! -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Dave Fallen" ; ; Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions > Thanks for the update on the Shawn Green record. However, the single game > RBI record is held by "Sunny Jim" Bottomley who drove in 12 runs against > the Brooklyn Dodgers with 6 hits back in the 30's. > Bama > On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:38:36 -0700, "Dave Fallen" > wrote : > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > > > May 23d, Shawn went 6 for 6 with 4 homers, a double, and a single for 19 > total bases. Joe Adcock had 4 homers and a double on July 31, 1954 for 18 > total bases. Shawn had 7 RBI's to tie the single game record (Adcock also > had 7 RBI's in his game). Shawn also scored 6 runs. But wait, that's not > all folks! The next day Shawn hit another homer to tie the ML record of 5 > homers in 2 days. He finished that game with 6 total bases to tie the ML > record of 25 in two days - a record previously accomplished by Ty Cobb and > Joe Adcock. Then, the next day he hit two more homers, for the ML record > of 7 in three days. Not bad, not bad . . . > > > > -Dave Fallen > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: obcjohn@knology.net > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 4:53 PM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SCD 2004 revisions > > > > > > It seems that Bob Lemke has included my suggestion of revision for the > > description of the 1934 Canadian Goudey (World Wide Gum) set in the4 > 2004 > > SCD catalog. For years, and I can only suppose since price guides > have > > been coming out, the set has been listed as coming in both All > English > > and English/French backs. Having collected the set for about 6 years, > > having looked at several hundred cards in the set, and never having > seen > > an all English back, I concluded that this was a case of false > > assumption. The false assumption was that because the 1933 Can. > Goudey > > set comes with both backs and is about the same size, that the 34 set > must > > follow the same pattern. The new 2004 SCD now correctly states that > the > > 34 set comes only with the English/French back. > > > > By the way, Mac informs me that Shawn green last year broke Adcock's > > single game total base record. Could someone give me the details on > this > > feat? > > > > Bama > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > ADVERTISEMENT > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > > ================= To: "OBC" Subject: re: Guru Update Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:54:24 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" Thanks everyone for your kind words and support. Don't worry about me, I am fine, and I am happy. Sal: I sold my VW a couple of years ago for $1500 and redirected that moneyto a VISA account that needed attention. I drive a 2000 Ford Ranger P/U now. Have a great day OBC! ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:56:12 EDT Subject: Wanna see something rare? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com So...In my many years of Phillies collecting I had never seen an actual Lummis Peanut Butter card up for sale. This is arguably one of the toughest Phillies sets around. Today on ebay there is one. Apparently the auctioneer bought a Phillies collection that is pretty cool. Ebay prices are high though even for this set. If you want to see what one looks like... http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=641& ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: yahoo groups problems Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 12:57:26 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Hey everyone, Just curious - anyone having problems receiving digested messages everyday? For the past 2 weeks, it's more like a weekly digest. Every Sunday, I get bombarded with all the digested Ramblings, Thanks and UV messages. Whew, it takes a long time to read 'em. I've reset my settings but without any luck. I see that some of you have other issues with the servers. Any Enjoy MSN 8 patented spam control and more with MSN 8 Dial-up Internet Service. Try it FREE for one month! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#2760269149: 1933 goudey lot of 5 Hall of Famers Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:14:09 PDT From: illini90@earthlink.net Here's some great old Goudey's!! Title of item: 1933 goudey lot of 5 Hall of Famers Starts: Oct-18-03 13:59:53 PDT Ends: Oct-23-03 13:59:53 PDT Price: Currently $9.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2760269149 Item Description: you get card # 19 Bill Dickey, #23 Ki-Ki Cuyler, #31 Tony Lazzeri, #44 Jim Bottomly, and # 49 Frank Frisch, These cards are in poor condition but very hard to find and would make a great addition to any collection, Please see scan! Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:13:34 EDT Subject: ANYONE WANT TO JOIN A YAHOO FANTASY HOCKEY LEAGUE? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com ANYONE WANT TO JOIN A YAHOO FANTASY HOCKEY LEAGUE? let me know it is a private league the league id is 88096 name OBC password is OBC http://hockey.fantasysports.yahoo.com/hockey? let me know ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 20:34:32 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I made it to the World Series opener! From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi all, I was fortunate to get two tickets to Game 1 of the World Series, and I took my son Stephen, who just celebrated his 17th birthday, as a gift to him. I must say we both had quite a time. It was a grueling schedule though. Left Tampa on Saturday on a 5:40 a.m. flight and got to LaGuardia Airport at 10:30. Took a cab into Manhattan and had lunch at Johnny's Pizzeria on E. 64th Street -- brick oven pizza, very good. Then, we walked around, as far south as Times Square, taking in the sights, sitting in Bryant Park, checking out the ESPN SportsZone and MTV store. Then, we took the subway from Grand Central Station to Yankee Stadium, where we met the guy who got us the tickets. We sat with him and his sister -- Behind home plate, upper deck, one row from the back wall -- but fabulous seats. Before the game, we took in the Monument Park tour, and strolled around the sports shops and stores under the El. The game itself was exciting, and even though the Yankees lost, it was an electric atmosphere, with people stomping and clapping on every pitch. The cool (for us Florida boys) weather of 48 degrees didn't feel so cold due to the excitement. After the game, we took the subway back to Grand Central Station and look for a place to eat. Found a deli at the corner of Lexington Avenue and E. 44th Street, and the food was excellent. You just can't get great pastrami in Tampa. As it was approaching 2 a.m., we took a cab back to LaGuardia, as our plane left at 6 a.m. Sunday. Got back to Tampa at 11 a.m., and went to work at 4. So yes, a little bit of jet lag, but a marvelous experience. Biggest regret was not having enough time to contact any of you in the NYC area to get together. I was strapped for time and didn't confirm the ticket and trip until 8 p.m. Friday. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Type card collection break-up Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:35:33 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" OBCer Mark Macrae has purchased a type-card collection and is breaking it up. He will e-mail a catalogue to anyone interested. Issues cover 19th century through 1970 in all grades. Email Mark at MMa3026559@aol.com I seldom buy from Mark but it is cool to look at all the stuff he comes Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Boycott Donruss Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 07:30:06 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I wish I collected UV stuff so I could boycott Donruss. http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/1020/1642358.html ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 09:11:41 EDT Subject: This and That Ramble To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey Gang: I fee like I've been very inactive since the National and I probably have been. We have had an extremely hectic three months since July, even by our standards but with all the grizzled old veterans checking in (not the Grizzly one though) I thought I should say Hi. Still can't believe the Cubs choked on Fish--I was looking forward to an all-classic team Series but it was not in the cards. I've just come back from a fair to good show with a boxful of commons from 59-64. I will have some dupes and will send out cards to those in need once I sort through them all. I have decided to go for the 61-64 sets and eventually back to 1956. That will someday yield a complete run from 1955 to 1992 (well, maybe--see below), plus I have the three Topps reprint sets prior to that, which are fine by me as opposed to spending thousands and thousands to complete those sets. And I'd be staring at that gaping hole where the 52 Topps #311 should go until the day I die.... Combined with a previous buy I made, I should have a good start on the late 50's/early 60's stuff once I get the time to create wantlists, etc. I also have started the 2 1953 Bowman sets, even though the B&W's are not as nice as the Color. I did notice on one of my B&W's that is almost a nice as the day it was issued (don't know how that happened, everything else from the bargain bin I found them in was VG at best) that is stiffer than a Color card and had a very high gloss on the front, reminding me of an actual photograph moreso than the Color cards. I may go for the 54 and 55 Bowmans as well, haven't decided I am toying with trading off my post 1975 Topps sets and almost all my loose cards from the 80's as well. Not much value (like it matters) as some of the stars are Tiptonesque but I need to clear some space and that may be one option. I would gladly trade them all within OBC, preferably to one person within driving range, if I go that route since it's around 40,000 cards but realize that could be a logistical nightmare. I'll probably decide by Christmas what I am doing with them. I may also try to hook up with a dealer I know and set up at a show to sell off the newer cards (plus old bb books programs and mags and my old allstate showcases) although the 76-80 sets would go to OBC'ers if I do that. I basically have a condensed version of U-Trade in my basement! Gonna miss the Dec. Ft. Washington--my wife and I have tickets for Dave Attell and Lewis Black that Sat. evening, which will kill any possibility of attending. I thought the Dec. show was usually the following weekend. I will try to make the March one--I can't find too many of the Topps inserts and tests at the small shows anymore. Sorry to see Rick go inactive, happy to hear from Guru. I'm not going anywhere, though I feel ancient in OBC terms! More trading to come, watch your See ya, ================= To: Subject: 4in1 Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 08:19:16 -0700 From: "terry ellis" anyone collect the 35 goudey 4 in1? lmk, kit ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:23:27 EDT Subject: How bout dem Marlins! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Just got this message from a good friend I met through BBall collecting. Rehgards to all. HOWARD----would you believe that I have attended at least 85% of the Marlins games---and get paid to do it. I am the usher for Sections 146/149, which includes the area for the wives and parents of the Marlins. During the NL Championship series vs. the Cubs, I got BIG HUGS from the mothers of Mike Lowell, Dontrelle Willis and JOsh Beckett. Am reallly looking forward to the Series games vs. the Yanks starting Tuesday night. If the Marlins play well, perhaps I will get some more hugs! Hope you have been doing well. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 19:34:14 EDT Subject: Of semi-activeness and divorce To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com OBC friends, Some recent posts about these two topics are very timely in my life so I thought I'd give an update on myself since I have been barely semi-active over the Back in April, I had considered going "inactive" within OBC due to "personal reasons." Even without divulging my situation, I received a couple of notes wishing me well which were very much appreciated. My situation is this: Christina, my companion for 17 years and wife for eight, is leaving me. She first revealed her doubts about our marriage back in April - the day before Easter in fact. I never saw it coming and it hit me like a ton of bricks. Apparently, she has had doubts for quite some time. My focus since then was to try and identify the problem(s) and work toward resoving them. Counseling has not helped us a couple, but has at least helped me as an individual. During the summer, she left on two separate occasions for periods of time to sort things out. Unfortunately, those stints away have not helped to reconcile our marriage. Finally, two weeks ago, she left for good. Needless to say I have not spent a lot of time collecting cards over the past few months. I am now in the process of dealing with a divorce. I'm hopeful this won't get too messy, but one never knows. Going forward, I know I will need things to keep me busy so I envision card collecting to be "Topps" on my list at some point (since golfing in Na Hampsha during the winter is not enjoyable). I'm actually looking forward to the upcoming GBSCC show in Wilmington, MA. Who knows - a trip to FW in December or RI in January may be in the picture. I'm even starting to price out plane tix to Cleveland, site of next year's National. Anyhow, my personal information on the OBC directory remains the same. I will slowly become some level of "active" within the group again at some point. Please keep my spot warm until then while I work out some life issues. Take care, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Edwards Airshow Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 17:18:37 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I don't know who is going to be in the area this weekend, but Edwards is having it's annual airshow. They are featuring the Thunderbirds, but I think they should be featuring the OBC dude that's flying in the show! If you SoCal folks are bored, come out and watch me fly - let me know and we can try to hook up Sat or Sun... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:21:59 -0400 (EDT) To: obcbobd@comcast.net (Bob Donaldson) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boycott Donruss From: Originaleek@webtv.net Can we as a group develop and deliver a statement to Donruss protesting the desecration of a priceless artifact of baseball history? We keep what we give away! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings" Subject: Time has come Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 20:10:56 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" It may be bad timing, but my time has come. I had a sent an e-mail to a few members about 3 weeks ago that I would be stepping down from OBCac and going inactive in OBC. I had put off writing the final e-mail until today. My decision was made a number of weeks ago. It has nothing to do with Rick deciding to take a leave also. "But" after reading his e-mail I knew I had to do it now. OBCAC needs 7 active voting members. Effective today 10-21-03 I resign my position on OBCac. Steve, please fill the spot according to the guidelines. I believe that the 8th highest vote getter would be the new ac member. I also ask that I be put on inactive status at this time. This by no meansshould be taken as anything other than what it is. A pause in the actionfor me. I plan to be around, make a few shows, make the Vegas functions,and still have an OBC bash here at the house in 05 when the Natl. comes totown. 7 plus years have brought many memories this way. The vast majority of them good ones. Thanks to each and everyone of you for 7 wonderful years. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:54:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boycott Donruss To: obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com I have the only local store sure to sell this product for they don't dabble in "quality" vintage stuff. I think he has 20-25 cards total vintage style and they are all at best book. Anyways I have not understood GU inserts, or the competition to get the best inserts. I mis my 5- 25 cent packs that eventually got thrown away, but starting over again brings more memories, more knowledge and more respect to the game, and players then any of this ever will. A piece of Ruth's jersey is just the start, next could me Ted Williams hair... What a world... (muttering still to myself 150.00 a pack!!!!!!!!!) John Leroux ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2003 22:59:07 EDT Subject: A few waiver wire avails To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Here are a few waiver wire cards. Have at 'em, and don't be shy! 1974 Topps baseball red border team checklist - Indians. (a few boxes neatly checked on the back) 1974 Topps 341 Dan Driessen 1970 Topps 481, 525 1969 Topps Deckle edge #8 Denny McLain 1961 Topps 55, 81 1955 Topps 18, 102, 119, 129 1954 Bowman 14 Staley, (courtesy of Terry Dietrick), 75 Surkont (courtesy of Rob Gioia) (Rob & Terry kindly hit my 54B list but I already had the cards they sent - so those 2 are waiver wire claims that you can credit Rob & Terry for. Some of you might recognize a couple of those 55's as the same numbers you sent to me - I also had a lot of 55 Topps come way from eBay that duplicated a couple that my OBC brothers sent, so I'd like to find the dupes a good home, but I do greatly appreciate the thoughts from you all that sent them to me.) When you make a waiver claim, please include your address so I can get them out fast! ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What the heck's going on?????? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs I have to admit I shed a few tears after reading Dave's messsage tonight. I've wanted to send Rick a message, but I didn't know what to say. As kind of new to the group, I can't help but feel partly responsible for them wanting to leave our family. I'm feeling really sad tonight. Although I've never personally met either of you (or anybody else in this wonderful group except Don Metz), you are my friends. You all mean a lot to me. You all know its got nothing to do with the cards. It's all about the people. You guys are a big part of what this is all about. Sure the group is changing. It changes a bit with every new addition. We need you longer term guys to keep us to our roots. No, we need you for more than that. If we're doing something that hurts you guys, please let us know so we can fix it. This group belongs to you guys. You started it. You're the guys who made it so special. If we're ruining it let us know before its too late. I've noticed that several guys have chosen to go inactive lately - not just Dave and Rick. I'm really concerned about this trend. I've also noticed that several others who used to be really involved seem to have lost interest. I understand that people get busy and stuff, but let's not forget why we're here in the first place. Perhaps we should change the name to F&SOBC for FRIENDS and some old baseball cards (some revision would be required cause the SOB part doesn't look too good). I for one don't want this to become just another card group. It's not about the cards. This group really is something special. Every time I read of an OBC get together, whether two people or 10 people, I wish I could be there. Right now I can't, some day I will be there. I've got my hat and my shirt, and I wear it proudly around town. I can't wait for the day when I wear them somewhere that someone will know what they mean. That's all there is folks. I hope we can fix whatever our problem is. If I'm doing anything that's bugging people please let me know. I hope we can talk about any problem issues as a group before they become big problems. I apologize for babbling, but I'm really hurting over all this. Your friend, Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Meeting up..... Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 9:10:11 +0000 From: Glenn Whew! A lot is going on in our little group of late, much of which leaves me very sad indeed. Although the recent decisions made by a few members of OBC are ones which I respect, they have to realise that getting out of this club is not that simple! Guys like Rick and David will ALWAYS be a part of OBC. And as far as I'm concerned they will always be considered a friend to me personally. Should a visit to Scotland ever occur in future, they can always count on a warm welcome in the Codere household. And along those lines, I'm very much looking forward to meeting up this evening with one of OBCs "oldies", George Hay and his wife Lucy. We'll be meeting up for dinner before repairing for a quiet beverage or two. Our evening in town unfortunately coincides with one of the biggest football (soccer) games to hit Glasgow in some years, as the local Rangers team takes on England's Manchester United in the European Champions League. Should be a great game, and the atmosphere in town will be electric. I'll let you know how our meeting goes. 'til then, Cheers for now! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:22:37 EDT Subject: 2 more PEOPLE FOR THE OBC FANTASY HOCKEY To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Hello all i need 2 more people for the Free Yahoo Fantasy hockey league Please email me if your interested ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 13:58:57 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: An anomaly? From: Originaleek@webtv.net While correlating the contents of my binders with my wantlists, I discovered that Frank Lary did not have a regular edition card in 1962. Now he did have an All Star card (#474) and appeared on the Win Leaders card (#57), however did not have a regular card issued. By comparison, Kaline & Cash had a regular edition card, an All Star card, and appeared on a Batting Leaders card. Whats up with that? I suspect a Yankee conspiracy. As my learned OBC colleagues know, back in the day, Lary was known as the "Yankee Killer". Unless and until someone can provide a more plausible explanation, I'm blaming the Yankees and hereby call upon the little people from the old sod to curse them. May all of Bernie William's long fly balls go foul. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 20:26:31 EDT Subject: Forwarded message To: vct@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I received this email, but I couldn't help - anyone out there have any 76 Isaly's disks available for this guy? Heck, I need some too! :) baseball cards Date: 10/21/2003 3:16:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: Mcpuffdogg@aol.com To: DirectorTH came across your webpage while i was looking for information on the 1976 Isaly's disk set. i have 3 available to trade for ones i need: Al Hrabosky Manny Sanguillen Bob Watson all are in NMNT condition, very nice cards let me know if you want to trade ================= Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 02:25:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Toronto show From: "mikesportsfan" Reminder that the semi-annual Toronto show is Nov. 14 through 16. This is probably the biggest show in Canada each year. I plan/hope to attend for all 3 days. Last November's show was fantastic, with lots of great deals. The April (spring) show was a disappointment, but we will blame that on the SARS scare. My sister has offered to allow us to take over her house (about 20 minutes from the show) for the weekend again. Usual payment is helping to put away the lawn furniture for the winter. Weekend show pass is usually $22; 2 days $15 single day $10. Remember Canada Post Office usually sponsors some HOF hockey players autographing cheap. I still do not know who the guests will be. The show also brings in some hockey HOFers and usually a few others, although the prices are not as cheap. Please Note that Canada Post signees, will ONLY sign items issued by Canada Post. these incluse some beautiful 11 x 14 color lithos for about $14 Canadian. The autograph is usally free with the purchase. If anyone is planning on attending, or would like to join us at my sister's LMK. Anyone unable to attend, but who is looking for Canadian issues, and would like me to shop for you, please send me your wantlists by Nov. 5. There are usually good deals on OPC BB & hockey starter sets, for those interested in getting started. Just let me know your spending/condition limits, etc. and whether you mean US or Canadian $. Please remember that this offer is made due to the lack of accessability of Canadian issues to the majority of the group. Although I still have some OPC BB & Hockey to send out an deven some Parkhurst hockey, I do not expect to buy many more large group lots, resulting in dupes to pass around. My lists are getting too selective to make buying group lots productive. Example - I only need 21 OPC hockey cards now, down from 421 at the beginning of the year. In OPC BB, I have sliced it under 170 from 367 at the beginning of the year. The largest OBC turnout at this show has been 4 last November. Hope we can top it this time. I may also try to arrange an OBC style swap session for Saturday nite with some Toronto area collectors I know. Location to be determined. Mike Rich ================= To: Originaleek@webtv.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An anomaly? Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 9:07:03 +0000 From: Glenn Fish 4, Evil Empire 3 Looks like a good start for "The Kurse of Kilbourn". Glasgow, Scotland ============================================================ From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: 2003/10/22 Wed PM 05:58:57 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] An anomaly? While correlating the contents of my binders with my wantlists, I discovered that Frank Lary did not have a regular edition card in 1962. Now he did have an All Star card (#474) and appeared on the Win Leaders card (#57), however did not have a regular card issued. By comparison, Kaline & Cash had a regular edition card, an All Star card, and appeared on a Batting Leaders card. Whats up with that? I suspect a Yankee conspiracy. As my learned OBC colleagues know, back in the day, Lary was known as the "Yankee Killer". Unless and until someone can provide a more plausible explanation, I'm blaming the Yankees and hereby call upon the little people from the old sod to curse them. May all of Bernie William's long fly balls go foul. We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A Glasgow OBC visit! Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:48:35 +0000 From: Glenn Last night, maureen and I had the very great pleasure of meeting up with OBCer George Hay, his wife Lucy, and friends Dan & Cindy. We met up in a downtown bar which was - how shall I put this? - rather "lively", filled with singing Manchester United fans eagerly awaiting the kickoff of their team's European Champions League match against the local Glasgow Rangers. After a bite to eat, we moved on to another bar where we could get the chance to talk, and to see a little bit of the second half of the game (the first pub was sans TV). We concluded our evening in one of Glasgow's premier ale pubs, the Bon Accord, which was only a short stroll from their hotel. George and Lucy really are terrific company, and they're stories of the legendary Vegas get-togethers have made me more determined than ever to make it across next year. As I type this, they'll be winging their way over to Dublin for an evening, before heading back to Scotland for one more night. I'm sure they'll have a great time (Of this I have no doubt, as they seem to be the type of people who really enjoy life!). Thanks to George for hits to my 1963 to 1966 lists, and a bottle of Texas style steak sauce! I'm sorry to say that due to a combination of lack of time and a tough wantlist, I was unable to help out George in any way. I'll try to get back atcha in vegas, my friend! Cheers for now! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 05:05:25 EDT Subject: top 10 messages for Cubs fan! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Top Ten Messages Left on the Answering Machine of the Cubs Fan Who Tried To Catch the Foul Ball in Game Six 10. "You owe me $7.50 for the beer I threw at you" 9. "'I'm with Century 21 -- heard you might be moving" 8. "Hey, I just got back in the country -- how was the game?" 7. "'Don't worry, I'm sure we'll get another shot at the World Series in 6. "This is Pete Rose. You cost me 50 G's, jackass!" 5. "Hey, it's Don Zimmer. Thanks for taking the heat off me" 4. "Hi, this is Mike from Hasbro. I'm calling to verify some information for your Trivial Pursuit question" 3. "Have you heard about Northfield Medical's great prices on cosmetic 2. "Hey, it's Bill Buckner. Wanna hang out?" 1. "Rush Limbaugh here. Gimme a buzz if you need something to take the edge ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:05:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nov. 7-9 Cleveland show From: "trufan999" Is anyone planning on attending the Cleveland show at the IX Center ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 19:28:19 EDT Subject: chantilly tomorrow To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com I'll be there about noon. Anyone else going? ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 22:29:11 EDT Subject: Cleveland Show Website To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Her it is for all of those that asked, TRISTAR Collectors Show in Cleveland John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:39:36 EDT Subject: BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, In the past few months I have been cleaning out my dup boxes and I still have a lot of basketball cards left as well as some football left. I plan on getting rid of them one way or another. Now, I begin the BB cards dup boxes cleanup quest. So, here's where I'll 50Bowman - 125(2),165 54Bowman - 110 55Bowman - 30,61,62,76,97,106,107,185,186,205,206 62Post - 56,62,65,70,97,100,115,117,132,146,150,157,160(2),162,170,193 52Topps - 19,95,106,109,204 53Topps - 54Topps - 55Topps - 37(2),43,67,89,98,120,129,147,149,191,204 Please enclose your mailing address to speed things up. Thanks, Kent ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:26:02 EDT Subject: Availables.... have at 'em! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all.... I've been slowly but surely putting together a list of availables and have decided to put it onto a webpage so that I can update it constantly, adding and deleting items at will. A word of apology to the purists in the group, as I haven't had time to split the availables into the usual pre-1980 and uv-infested categories, as I normally do. The list for each sport is listed by decade, however, so it should be pretty easy to know where to stop looking. As usual, nothing is really needed in return. I owe many of you and would look forward to getting stuff out to ya first. My wantlists are horribly out of date and I hope to take care of that later today, but I wanted to get the availables posted first. As usual, if you would please include your address with your claim, I'll likely get it out a little faster. The availables list is found at: http://members.cox.net/jimnjennie/availables.html Take care and I look forward to hearing from you! ================= To: Subject: Cool Ebay Item-postcards Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 08:44:16 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" This should have a home in OBC somewhere...I'd get it myself, but he wants $15 shipping to Canada..2 hours to go, high bid is 4 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2197616406&category=4094 ================= To: "o b" Subject: comings and goings Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:49:33 -0400 From: "jeff sinclair" Hi all, Thought I'd throw my two cents worth in on the subject of members leaving or going inactive. If it's a life circumstance causing someone to choose oneof these options, I'm sure we are all able to understand that sometimes you've got to do what is best for you and or your family. Somehow, I don't see that as the reason in some cases. If I am wrong, I apologize. It seems tome that there is some concern among "long time" members about the direction that our group is going. In trying to understand exactly what that means I've come up with some possible explanations based on what I've seen happening over the past couple of years. I joined this group based on these principles. 1. Value of cards is meaningless 2. Condition of cards is meaningless 3. Sending is better than receiving 4. No pre-arranged mailings (with the exception of available postings) 5. No UV In my opinion these are some of the principles that our founding fathers had in mind when they started this group. Over the course of my membership (between two and three years) I've noticedthe 1. There are far more UV postings 2. More wantlists contain condition requirements ( I'm not talking about upgrades) 3. There seems to be more non-baseball stuff 4. There are more trades Again, these are my opinions and not meant to be fact nor the causes of members Personally, I go through periods of inactivity followed by flurries of outgoing packages. Two athletic kids who are also active Boy Scouts tend to puta strain on my time spent with cardboard. Secondly, my binders and my dupebox contain very little pre 1960 stuff and no oddballs. This makes hittingsome members lists virtually impossible for me. In my opinion, based on the groups principles, this doesn't matter. We send what we can, when we can.Right? I've also experienced times where I could hit a list and didn't because the card didn't meet a posted condition. I also try not to hit a second set (unless it's long overdue "payback"). I also used to read every post, now I scan for UV and non-baseball posts and delete those first. If I have a "star" card that another member needs, I send it, I don't try to work out a trade. I also ran a poetry contest for a 68 Superstars way back when, that was the trade off. It was FUN!! In closing I would ask any member who has a concern with anything to address it with the AC and they in turn to address it with all members to find a solution before withdrawing from the group. I love this group for all of the reasons that have already been mentioned by others. Most of all, I love it because for a few hours each week ormonth, it takes me to a time when life was much simpler and I can........... Remember the feel of the candy store steps. Something to think about, ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:19:47 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] comings and goings To: suzguy11@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com You pretty much nailed it! I have tried to address some of my concerns with the AC and it seems that has fallen on death ear or perhaps the group has evolved and my voice is now a minority. My going inactive was based on the things you pointed out however, I did find myself being less active than I have in the past. Perhaps that is because of my current job requirements and life problems but, I do think it has something to do with many of the things you described. Another Baseball Quote: "I sat in the reserved seats and felt uncomfortable. Everyone is so polite... in the bleachers, however, you can be vindictive. Nearly everyone is." ------Arnold Hano from "A Day in the Bleachers" Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: 25 Oct 2003 17:40:54 -0000 To: "jeff sinclair" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] comings and goings From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I would echo Jeff's comments. As I creep up on my 6th anniversary in the group, I can see that a kind of evolution has taken place in OBC, with the biggest change as I see it, being the growth of other card trading groups. When OBC started back in the early 90's, it was really the only game in town for people who collected pre 1980 stuff and in off condition. Now there are probably a half dozen or more fairly large card trading groups out there. Many of our newer members belong to one or more of these groups and that is just progress or inevitable change. I can't speak for all the long time members but I, for one, don't consider joining these other groups because their real focus seems to be actually on the sports cards themselves. I'm not criticizing these other groups, merely stating that they don't offer me what OBC does. The longer I am in OBC the more I come to cherish the friendships over the collecting aspects of the group. I too have considered leaving the group several times, but always it is the personal relationships with members that draws me back. As far as activity in the group is concerned, I dare say that after X number of years, members probably have made significant progress in their collections so that hitting their wantlists becomes difficult. That probably cuts down on "card related" activity between them and other members. This year I've sent out somewhere between 100 and 150 packages and received maybe 1/3 or less in return. That's fine with me because my main list of "prewar stuff" is very hard to hit and so the post 1948 lists are there mainly to give people something that's more realistic to shoot at. Not that I wouldn't like to finish those sets as well, but they are not my main collecting goal. However, as I've said several times before, cardboard I can find anywhere (basically Ebay) but random acts of kindness I can't. I guess my point of this ramble is that I've reached the point in collecting where as far as OBC is concerned, I get as much or more pleasure from hitting somebody's list than in receiving a package (and I get pretty excited when that happens), in participating in OBC activites such as Rick's auction and in just being associated with a swell group of people. All I'd ask of members is to stop once in a while and reflect on why you are in OBC now and what attracted you to it in the first place. If OBC to you is just another trading group then I challenge you to make it more than that. As a somewhat long time member that would make my day. Thanks for listening and have an error-free season. On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:49:33 -0400, "jeff sinclair" wrote : > Hi all, > Thought I'd throw my two cents worth in on the subject of members leaving or going inactive. If it's a life circumstance causing someone to choose one of these options, I'm sure we are all able to understand that sometimes you've got to do what is best for you and or your family. Somehow, I don't see that as the reason in some cases. If I am wrong, I apologize. It seems to me that there is some concern among "long time" members about the direction that our group is going. In trying to understand exactly what that means I've come up with some possible explanations based on what I've seen happening over the past couple of years. I joined this group based on these principles. > 1. Value of cards is meaningless > 2. Condition of cards is meaningless > 3. Sending is better than receiving > 4. No pre-arranged mailings (with the exception of available postings) > 5. No UV > In my opinion these are some of the principles that our founding fathers had in mind when they started this group. > Over the course of my membership (between two and three years) I've noticed the following. > 1. There are far more UV postings > 2. More wantlists contain condition requirements ( I'm not talking about > 3. There seems to be more non-baseball stuff > 4. There are more trades > Again, these are my opinions and not meant to be fact nor the causes of members leaving. > Personally, I go through periods of inactivity followed by flurries of outgoing packages. Two athletic kids who are also active Boy Scouts tend to put a strain on my time spent with cardboard. Secondly, my binders and my dupe box contain very little pre 1960 stuff and no oddballs. This makes hitting some members lists virtually impossible for me. In my opinion, based on the groups principles, this doesn't matter. We send what we can, when we can. Right? I've also experienced times where I could hit a list and didn't because the card didn't meet a posted condition. I also try not to hit a second set (unless it's long overdue "payback"). I also used to read every post, now I scan for UV and non-baseball posts and delete those first. If I have a "star" card that another member needs, I send it, I don't try to work out a trade. I also ran a poetry contest for a 68 Superstars way back when, that was the trade off. It was FUN!! In closing I would ask any member who has a concern with anything to address it with the AC and they in turn to address it with all members to find a solution before withdrawing from the group. I love this group for all of the reasons that have already been mentioned by others. Most of all, I love it because for a few hours each week or month, it takes me to a time when life was much simpler and I can........... > Remember the feel of the candy store steps. > Something to think about, > Cap ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:57:55 EDT Subject: Re: BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All again, Overwhelmed by the response already. Here's what's left and an error in the first listing. 50Bowman - 166 (Typo was 165) 55Bowman - 76,106 62Post - 132,146,160(2),170 54Topps - 6,8,18(2),28,34,49,116,173,192,215 55Topps - 37 Please include mailing address to speed up the process. Thanks all for your quick response, Kent ================= To: Subject: Savary Island Update Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:39:27 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Well, it's been a while....apologies to Kellen Diamanti, I just can't possibly compete with her literary style. It's been an up and down month. I was up there for a week, finished the siding, got the burn pile ready to go, etc. It's really quite liveable now. Too bad it's getting cold and rainy now, but next Spring I'll be ready to Jenny's sister lives with their father in a house we bought a couple of years ago in Powell River, our eventual retirement spot, and only a 10 minute boat ride from Savary. Her sister wanted to get away for a week to visit a friend, so Jenny went up after I returned to stay with her Dad for the week. Weather was fabulous, and they had a great week together, the first time she had him to herself for that long in her life. Her sister returned, Jenny came home, and the next day we got the call that her Dad had suffered a major stroke. He held on for 3 days, long enough for all the kids to get there, then went peacefully. Almost the exact same thing happened with Jen's Mom a year ago. There was some kind of karma working here that gave them the opportunity to be together that last week. There IS a greater power out there. Jenny decided to take a couple of days and go over to the Island, just to kind of regroup. Now it gets real interesting: Jump on the water taxi for a simple 5 minute ride to the wharf, right? Uh-uh. It was a real foggy day, the water taxi got lost in it. I can hear the theme song from Gilligan's Island now...."A three hour cruise..." Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Jenny arrives at the cabin. Our builder Vinny (remember him? The conspiracy theorist who went MIA on us for 2 months)was again nowhere to be found, and nothing had changed since I had been there 10 days earlier, except my beer stash was gone. The real estate agent who had rescued Kellen's belongings in August came by, with a huge gauze bandage on his head. Seems his wife had clubbed him with a tire iron. I always DID think she was a nut. She got herself arrested, and as a condition of her release was not allowed to return to her residence. So now she lives just down the road from us...there goes the neighbourhood. You remember our neighbours...Hippie Jim and Lady Jane....he's the guy that tries real hard not to crack a beer before 7:30 in the morning, but usually fails. Okay, always fails. The next night, Jim and Jane went to the only restaurant on the Island that was open...I am not sure yet what precipitated the action, but Lady Jane decked poor old Hippie Jim. Not really surprising, as she has about 150 pounds on him. So Hippie Jim found himself home alone that night. Just as Jenny was getting set to hit the sack, Hippie Jim came over and tried to put the move on her, serious groping on his mind. Poor guy ended up getting decked again. He came over the next day and sort of apologized, saying he only wanted to have some fun, and he wouldn't have done it if I had been there, because I am his friend. I can't quite follow the line of reasoning there. Jenny comes home a couple of days later, no other surprises. So yesterday, I get a phone call from the guy we use to haul our freight over to the Island. Generally more reliable than most on Savary, but a strong proponent of "Island Time." Stuff happens when it happens. He explains that he is mad at me, because I am not on the Island, and there is no beer in my stash. Turns out he was in Vancouver when he made the call, because he was tired of all the lunatics on Savary, and had to get away. He had 3 questions for me...do I have any beer in the house, what are we having for dinner Sunday, and what time should he arrive? Now I have them FOLLOWING me home! This is outta control.... Thinking of heading up next week to take care of the burn pile....should be a lot of fun, time changes this weekend, so it will be dark about 5:30, and none of the light bulbs we have up there work due to the lack of power on the Island....stay tuned for the further misadventures... ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:44:52 EDT Subject: GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all, Just wondering if anyone else besides Bob Donaldson and me are planning on going to this show. For anyone who hasn't been, it's (by far) the best show in New England and it only happens once a year. As has been tradition in recent years, we've had a swap session/luncheon/get-together at noon Saturday in the dining area (enter the Shriner's Auditorium, go left to the food stand, then take another left into the dining area). Last year we even had a flipping contest, much to the horror and puzzlement of some onlookers. Anyhow, my plan is to be there Friday after work (around 5:00) and most of the day Saturday. How 'bout it...who else is going?? Ken? Sean? Spike? Robert P? Bob F? Bob R? Brett? Friar? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? Anyone? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:52:45 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] comings and goings To: suzguy11@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I have already sent out a ramble lamenting some of the older members leaving the group. I would also like to add/respond to a couple of things that Cap mentioned. This is more of my thoughts and not meant as a debate. > 1. Value of cards is meaningless > 2. Condition of cards is meaningless > 3. Sending is better than receiving > 4. No pre-arranged mailings (with the exception of available postings) > 5. No UV I would like to think that overall I have the OBC spirit, and try to live up to the ideals of the group. I believe I have sent out at least my "fair share" of packages and have helped a number of members with their collections. That said: 1. Not all cards are meaningless. Sometimes we are lucky enough to get a "big ticket" item we are willing to part with. Virtually all of us have some financial limitations (some more than others), and cannot "afford" to part with a big ticket item without getting something comparable in return. See also #4 2. Condition of cards is meaningless. I like to fill holes in my collection. When a set is finished I compile an "upgrade" list (there is a link to this list on my OBC site and it is longer than most of my other lists combined). I would like to get cards in the nicest shape I can, although that often means "beater". Some sets however may have special meaning to myself or someone else and therefore may want better condition on a specific set or 2. Sometimes on a fav player, such as our HOM's. 3. Sending is better than receiving. As the good book says, "It is better to give than receive." 4. Pre-arranged trades. As mentioned earlier sometimes you may have a "high ticket" item, available. In my case, I have a few dupe sets that I have swapped to OBCers. I have spent some significant $ on a few of those and do not feel compelled to just "give" them away. On these items, I see nothing wrong with a pre-arranged trade. I certainly send out a lot of cards. 5. UV cards. I am not a fan of UV material. I have a link for UV items on my OBC site. This was done more for people who do not have deep dupe boxes to have a chance to "repay" me some way. A majority of OBC cannot hit my main wantlists, especially, Bowman and Topps BB, which is down to under 300 cards. 6. Non-BB. I collect all sports. Look at my E-mail name: mikesportsfan, says it all. My OBC lists are separated, so if someone has no interest in FB, BSKB, Hockey, multi-sport, etc., they do not even have to look at it. Again this may allow others to hit what otherwise be difficult. I personally do try and send "repayment" to anyone who is kind enough to think of me and send me something. This is not always possible and the "value" of what I return may not be close to what I receive, high or low. To me that is part of the OBC spirit. Be thankful for what I get, and try and help others. I do not keep track of what I send out. I do keep loose track of WHO I send to, so I can make sure they receive anything I may send. Although I do not keep close track of who I receive from, I usually know who has sent me something. I do not send out multiple packages of "valuable" cards to folks who do not participate, either with me or by lack of thanks on the servers. Those who are active and/or who have sent me things hopefully have received things from I would hope my actions/behaivor fits within the ideals of the group as established. There are certain things that individuals in the group do, that bother me, but that is life. You get a big enough group, and you are going to have problems. We need to remember this is done for enjoyment and the friendships. If we lose the enjoyment, why bother. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:05:39 EDT Subject: A problem that makes "scents" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I know this has happened to many over the years, but this is actually the first time I've encountered it. Many folks have mentioned to me that my wantlists are tough, so I'm starting a new set. I just acquired about 50 cards toward this new venture of mine, all of which (as I understand it) were salvaged from a fire. They're not in too bad a shape (not that I really care anyway) but they still have a smokey smell to them. It's not overbearing, but definitely noticeable. They currently reside in penny sleeves, probably restricting the scent. So, is there a way to lessen the smokey smell? Spray them with Febreeze? Throw them in the dryer? Deodorant? Or, should I just hang the others I have above the fireplace so they can all smell the same? :-) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:34:42 -0400 (EDT) To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:05:39 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" I know this has happened to many over the years, but this is actually the first time I've encountered it. Many folks have mentioned to me that my wantlists are tough, so I'm starting a new set. I just acquired about 50 cards toward this new venture of mine, all of which (as I understand it) were salvaged from a fire. They're not in too bad a shape (not that I really care anyway) but they still have a smokey smell to them. It's not overbearing, but definitely noticeable. They currently reside in penny sleeves, probably restricting the scent. So, is there a way to lessen the smokey smell? Spray them with Febreeze? Throw them in the dryer? Deodorant? Or, should I just hang the others I have above the fireplace so they can all smell the same? :-) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:52:02 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com The problem is more widespread than one would think. Many items that I've purchased have what I've called "moof". Moof is basically an aroma ranging from slightly musty or damp to downright funky. I've developed a patented 1-10 "Moof scale"... Moof #1 is mildly detectable & will gradually fade away...... Moof # 5 would be like cards from a smoker, that have a noticeably unpleasant odor. Moof #10 is very noticeable, and if the collection is large enough, your neighbors will likely complain, or in some cases put a for sale sign on your For mild to moderate moof (1-5) , on small items, I place them in a small container with a cup of baking soda. Leave them undisturbed for a few weeks, change the baking soda & repeat. The baking soda should absorb a good deal of the unwanted scent making them tolerable . For moderate to heavy moof (6-10), place scented candles (unlit) in the same container & try the process... Make sure that you don't light the candles or you'll get the exceedingly rare "Moof 11" effect, in which case, it would be best to send the item to a professional grader, not only to encapsulate the aroma, but also to send a message about your feelings of their services.... ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:14:24 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I believe "moof" deserves a place on honor on the OBC slang page.....it's a The problem is more widespread than one would think. Many items that purchased have what I've called "moof". Moof is basically an aroma ranging from slightly musty or damp to downright funky. I've developed a patented "Moof scale"... Moof #1 is mildly detectable & will gradually fade Moof # 5 would be like cards from a smoker, that have a noticeably odor. Moof #10 is very noticeable, and if the collection is large enough, neighbors will likely complain, or in some cases put a for sale sign on your For mild to moderate moof (1-5) , on small items, I place them in a container with a cup of baking soda. Leave them undisturbed for a few weeks, change the baking soda & repeat. The baking soda should absorb a good deal the unwanted scent making them tolerable . For moderate to heavy moof place scented candles (unlit) in the same container & try the process... sure that you don't light the candles or you'll get the exceedingly rare 11" effect, in which case, it would be best to send the item to a professional grader, not only to encapsulate the aroma, but also to send a message about your feelings of their services.... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 16:49:49 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Our sites has "moofed" From: Dan Austin In response to your request, "moof" has been added to the OBC Slang Dictionary! Enjoy! - Dan Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:14:23 EDT Subject: Re:BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:39:36 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Cards Available - FCFS Hi! All, In the past few months I have been cleaning out my dup boxes and I still have a lot of basketball cards left as well as some football left. I plan on getting rid of them one way or another. Now, I begin the BB cards dup boxes cleanup quest. So, here's where I'll 50Bowman - 125(2),165 54Bowman - 110 55Bowman - 30,61,62,76,97,106,107,185,186,205,206 62Post - 56,62,65,70,97,100,115,117,132,146,150,157,160(2),162,170,193 52Topps - 19,95,106,109,204 53Topps - 54Topps - 55Topps - 37(2),43,67,89,98,120,129,147,149,191,204 Please enclose your mailing address to speed things up. Thanks, Kent ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 17:46:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! After doing some upgrading today, I have a bunch of 1974 Topps cards available for the asking. Priority will be given to newer members: 11 13 26 32 33 38 41 43 44 45 46 47 56 57 71 73 76 88 89 112 116 121 140 141 145 156 161 162 165 170 182 185 188 209 226 233 265 266 279 290 292 294 295 301 304 309 311 316 363 368 380 385 392 416 422424 426 427 428 431 437 439 446 450 457 467 480 481 490 494 493 495 500501 503 513 527 529 540 564 569 579 595 613 622 636 639 643 650 651 653 654 657 658 659 Please include your mailing address. Mike W ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:09:05 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I've always considered the musty smell a "plus" when buying a card. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" > Jim, > The problem is more widespread than one would think. Many items that > purchased have what I've called "moof". Moof is basically an aroma ranging > from slightly musty or damp to downright funky. I've developed a patented > "Moof scale"... Moof #1 is mildly detectable & will gradually fade > Moof # 5 would be like cards from a smoker, that have a noticeably > odor. Moof #10 is very noticeable, and if the collection is large enough, > neighbors will likely complain, or in some cases put a for sale sign on > house.... > For mild to moderate moof (1-5) , on small items, I place them in a > container with a cup of baking soda. Leave them undisturbed for a few > change the baking soda & repeat. The baking soda should absorb a good deal > the unwanted scent making them tolerable . For moderate to heavy moof > place scented candles (unlit) in the same container & try the process... > sure that you don't light the candles or you'll get the exceedingly rare > 11" effect, in which case, it would be best to send the item to a > professional grader, not only to encapsulate the aroma, but also to send a message about > your feelings of their services.... > Mark > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 01:44:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Comings and Goings From: "trufan999" First off Yahoo is beginning to suck, I have been missing some of the Rambles, and am now left to hitting the Yahoogroups page and catching up on it all. So now that I got caught up on "this" subject, I have begun to stop and look why I joined. Yes, it was within the last year. I saw OBC as a community to learn about the history of the cards, the history of the game, and feel part of a long and very LOST art. To give as best as you can to those that will ALWAYS appreciate. I don't plan on competing my collection within two years, or five.. heck I haven't even started a 1950's set... As far as learning the community, well I truly feel that there can be some improvements made in having new members learn and follow the traditions. I went to a few chat nights sat back and tried to learn names and follow wantlists, this was wrong. After a few weeks I never saw another invite, I am guessing they have stopped. Maybe that time should have been used to introduced myself better to the members. I have passed along cards to about 50% or more of the members, I am proud of that, some of you have hard lists for the new collector. I have received cards from about the same percentge of the group and even started two sets this year due to the assistnce of the group. Its great to get home from work, and see an envelope or two. Folks, as far as I can see yes, I do see some UV thanks flying around ( If there is a UV server I have not gotten a link for it)I was glad to participate in the Rick Redpath Auction, and to see firsthand the generosity and efforts put forth by the members of this group. You folks should be proud to be together, meet up once in a while, and have the feeling that others care. My wife has a member of her group that passed away two weeks ago, from this group, I passed on to her the suggestions I saw when we lost Rick. Her group has managed to collect over $800 for her three children, it may not have happened if I didn't know.. This whole Ramble should be wrapped up pretty simply, is there something to blame?? I don't know, yes definitly when it comes to UV.. However as a person and member of this group, I hope to enjoy the next years learning, sharing and listening from all about Good luck John leroux ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:55:09 -0700 From: "Greg $yaz$" My wife had some books that smelled like smoke and she boxed them up with aDowney sheet. I opened the box to get a couple of the books a week or two later and it seemed the offensive smell was gone. She says good results canbe had using vinegar, a cotten ball soaked in vanilla, or coffee also. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A problem that makes "scents" I know this has happened to many over the years, but this is actually thefirst time I've encountered it. Many folks have mentioned to me that my wantlists are tough, so I'm starting a new set. I just acquired about 50 cards toward this new venture of mine, all of which (as I understand it) weresalvaged from a fire. They're not in too bad a shape (not that I really care anyway) but they still have a smokey smell to them. It's not overbearing, but definitely noticeable. They currently reside in penny sleeves, probably restricting the scent. So, is there a way to lessen the smokey smell? Spray them with Febreeze? Throw them in the dryer? Deodorant? Or, should I just hang the others I have above the fireplace so they can all smellthe same? :-) Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 07:21:01 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Frank Lary's redemption! From: Originaleek@webtv.net The Blarney Stone has been kissed, the Leprechauns, Cluricuns & Far Darrig have done their jobs. Fish: 2 Evil Empire: zilch, zip, nada! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:45:09 EST Subject: Re:BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:14:23 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:39:36 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Cards Available - FCFS Hi! All, In the past few months I have been cleaning out my dup boxes and I still have a lot of basketball cards left as well as some football left. I plan on getting rid of them one way or another. Now, I begin the BB cards dup boxes cleanup quest. So, here's where I'll 50Bowman - 125(2),165 54Bowman - 110 55Bowman - 30,61,62,76,97,106,107,185,186,205,206 62Post - 56,62,65,70,97,100,115,117,132,146,150,157,160(2),162,170,193 52Topps - 19,95,106,109,204 53Topps - 54Topps - 55Topps - 37(2),43,67,89,98,120,129,147,149,191,204 Please enclose your mailing address to speed things up. Thanks, Kent ================= To: Subject: something fishy? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:19:22 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" No this isn't about my Yanks losing to the Marlins. Take a look at this ebay item that sold for $127.50--twelve of the 14 1974 Washington Padres variation (without the McCovey). Who in their right mind would bid that kind of large money for these cards--and without a picture to boot? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item2761265066&category44821&rd1 What kind of Tipton gems could I pick up for that kind of money. Oh wel........ peter mead ================= To: Subject: Chat Nights Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:40:50 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Just a reminder for those interested....Sundays and Tuesdays, 5 pm Pacific, 8 Eastern...the World Serious interfered with a few Chat nights...maybe we can get them going again... ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:23:37 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] something fishy? To: hoot-owl@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com That could buy a lot of Tipton's for sure... he didn't even have the 2 Friesleben variations. Sometimes you have to wonder who is bidding...I have this bridge in Brooklyn I may put on Ebay next... ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 14:51:46 EST Subject: Fwd: BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com From: KWG0@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 09:45:09 EST Subject: Re:BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 20:14:23 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:BB Cards Available - FCFS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 10:39:36 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BB Cards Available - FCFS Hi! All, In the past few months I have been cleaning out my dup boxes and I still have a lot of basketball cards left as well as some football left. I plan on getting rid of them one way or another. Now, I begin the BB cards dup boxes cleanup quest. So, here's where I'll 50Bowman - 125(2),165 54Bowman - 110 55Bowman - 30,61,62,76,97,106,107,185,186,205,206 62Post - 56,62,65,70,97,100,115,117,132,146,150,157,160(2),162,170,193 52Topps - 19,95,106,109,204 53Topps - 54Topps - 55Topps - 37(2),43,67,89,98,120,129,147,149,191,204 Please enclose your mailing address to speed things up. Thanks, Kent ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 15:27:30 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] something fishy? To: Peter Mead , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Looks like a buyer really wanted them and put in a really high bid so that he wouldn't lose, and then a sniper ended up trying the same thing! I hate when I lose n auction at the last minute, but this may be $127 for all the Washington N.L. cards except the McCovey and the Freisleben Rookie Pitchers card (actually the most common of the three #599 variations). That's almost enough to buy most of the The seller's propbably really happy, but I'll wager that the buyer is cussing the sniper (though he's an idiot if he bid more than he was willing to pay). Take care, --- Peter Mead wrote: > No this isn't about my Yanks losing to the Marlins. > Take a look at this ebay item that sold for > $127.50--twelve of the 14 1974 Washington Padres > variation (without the McCovey). > Who in their right mind would bid that kind of large > money for these cards--and without a picture to > boot? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2761265066&category=44821&rd=1 > What kind of Tipton gems could I pick up for that > kind of money. Oh wel........ > peter mead I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:54:11 EST Subject: Anyone want to buy a bar?? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Went back to Ohio U. for a reunion yesterday. We went to an establishment to enjoy a few adult beverages, so I go up to the bar, look down at the top of the bar, which is very long & covered in glass - and I notice that, under the glass, there is, I'm guessing, at least 100, maybe twice that - vintage Topps cards from 1956 through 1960, including a 1957 Hank Aaron. I was too stunned to see if there were any other star cards. I figure we could buy the place, rip out the top of the bar to get to the cards, & then sell the place. What does everyone think? :) Has anyone else seen such blatant disregard and desrespect for our beloved vintage cardboard? ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:41:38 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" It looks like I may be resricted to just Friday evening at the show. Hopefully I can get there early and stay late. I have to coach a noon time soccer game on Saturday, so that couldn't have worked out worse :( If you don't hear from me otherwise, look for me on friday. I'll try to remember my OBC hat and bright orange Orioles sweatshirt! how many days until pitchers and catchers report? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend Greetings all, Just wondering if anyone else besides Bob Donaldson and me are planning on going to this show. For anyone who hasn't been, it's (by far) the best show in New England and it only happens once a year. As has been tradition in recent years, we've had a swap session/luncheon/get-together at noon Saturday in the dining area (enter the Shriner's Auditorium, go left to the food stand, then take another left into the dining area). Last year we even had a flipping contest, much to the horror and puzzlement of some onlookers. Anyhow, my plan is to be there Friday after work (around 5:00) and most of the day Saturday. How 'bout it...who else is going?? Ken? Sean? Spike? Robert P? Bob F? Bob R? Brett? Friar? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? Anyone? Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone want to buy a bar?? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:46:29 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Displaying vintage cardboard for all patrons to see is not disrespectful inmy opinion...unless the bar lights are so dim that you cannot see the Tipton-ized corners and adoration creases !!! Nothing worse than dim lights and strong adult beverages to distort your memories of baseball in the mid 50's-early 60's !!! I'd applaud the tavern owner for rescuing these cards from the bicycle wheel spokes and showing them off !! It makes me want to take some of my cards out of hiding and take another look...these stacks of boxes aren't being appreciated at all...I'm so glad that a great number of my cards have migrated into binders for viewing. Maybesomeday a glass-top bar would be a good way for me to display more of my treasures...I think it's a great idea, but someone must convince my better half..(Grant ??? whaddya think !!) ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone want to buy a bar?? Went back to Ohio U. for a reunion yesterday. We went to an establishmentto enjoy a few adult beverages, so I go up to the bar, look down at the top of the bar, which is very long & covered in glass - and I notice that, under the glass, there is, I'm guessing, at least 100, maybe twice that - vintage Topps cards from 1956 through 1960, including a 1957 Hank Aaron. I wastoo stunned to see if there were any other star cards. I figure we could buy the place, rip out the top of the bar to get to the cards, & then sell the place. What does everyone think? :) Has anyone else seen such blatant disregard and desrespect for our beloved vintage cardboard? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 01:55:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone want to buy a bar?? From: "Joe Isaac" Back in the day when I was still in the Lehigh Valley (PA for the geographically challenged), there was a bar in Easton (my hometown), Fat Jack's, owned by Jack Fisher, the ex-ballplayer. All over the bar, including the tables, were uncut sheets of vintage cardboard. Most of them were on the tables covered in glass, same as what you saw yesterday. I remember looking at just about every card in the joint, thinking what it would be like to have this as a collection. And I had the same thoughts back then as you do now! I was told that these were part of "Fat Jack's" collection and was very proud to display. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@a... wrote: > Went back to Ohio U. for a reunion yesterday. We went to an establishment to > enjoy a few adult beverages, so I go up to the bar, look down at the top of > the bar, which is very long & covered in glass - and I notice that, under the > glass, there is, I'm guessing, at least 100, maybe twice that - vintage Topps > cards from 1956 through 1960, including a 1957 Hank Aaron. I was too stunned to > see if there were any other star cards. I figure we could buy the place, rip > out the top of the bar to get to the cards, & then sell the place. What does > everyone think? :) > Has anyone else seen such blatant disregard and desrespect for our > vintage cardboard? > Tom ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:57:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Happy Birthday, Dear Bubble Gum! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet This weekend marked the 75th anniversary of the treat we all knew well as kids...bubble gum! Here's an article; while it does mention Topps, it says absolutely nothing about the little pieces of cardboard that obviously drove many of its sales. It also doesn't mention the following: - When Dubble Bubble was developed by Fleer, the only food coloring available in sufficient quantities before it hit the market was pink. Billions of pieces of gum since were pink as a result of this little - Topps first started selling fruit-flavored "cubes" in 1938 and soon sold one-cent pieces of bubble gum as "change-makers" for corner candy stores. During World War 2, Topps (for whatever reason) didn't lower the sugar content in its gum during the era of rationing. Since Topps gum was sweeter than their competitors', they gained in market share. Their slogan during the early 1940s -- "Don't talk, chum, chew Topps gum" -- was an obvious play on the common "loose lips sink ships" theme. - In 1947, Topps became the biggest gum manufacturer when it introduced Bazooka. Contrary to popular belief, Bazooka was not named after the easily-recognized anti-tank weapon used by GIs in the war. Bazooka gum (and the weapon as well) was named after a musical horn used by a popular 1930s vaudeville comedian. - Those of us who grew up in the 1970s will remember Bubble Yum. In that era of Topps' monopoly over the baseball card market, they were blindsided in the gum market by Lifesavers, Inc. Bubble Yum -- aided by ads in comic books and Saturday morning TV shows -- quickly beat up on Fleer and Topps products because it was much softer than Dubble Bubble or Bazooka. Fleer responded with Gatorgum, a Gatorade-flavored soft gum, and Topps decided to even the field by introducing Super Bazooka Bubble Fudge in 1979. The public was lukewarm to Gatorgum (which lasted into the 1980s), but they absolutely revolted against the idea of chocolate-flavored gum. It quickly stopped shipping. Many of us in OBC are the proud owners of several Topps-induced cavities. While our dentists appreciate Topps' complicity in sending their kids through college, here's that article: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031026/od_nm/life_dubblebubble_dc Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:06:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Anyone want to buy a bar?? From: "Joe Isaac" --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Isaac" wrote: > Tom, > Back in the day when I was still in the Lehigh Valley (PA for the > geographically challenged), there was a bar in Easton (my hometown), > Fat Jack's, owned by Jack Fisher, the ex-ballplayer. All over the > bar, including the tables, were uncut sheets of vintage cardboard. > Most of them were on the tables covered in glass, same as what you > yesterday. I remember looking at just about every card in the > thinking what it would be like to have this as a collection. And I > had the same thoughts back then as you do now, to buy the collection from Jack Fisher! > I was told that these were part of "Fat Jack's" collection and he > very proud of his display. It was indeed a superb collection and I did not feel disrespected in any way, but was also proud that I also collected vintage stuff back then. I even had the privledge to talk with Jack about his career and collecting. I had no problem with Jack displaying his collection. > Joe > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@a... wrote: > > Went back to Ohio U. for a reunion yesterday. We went to an > establishment to > > enjoy a few adult beverages, so I go up to the bar, look down at > top of > > the bar, which is very long & covered in glass - and I notice > under the > > glass, there is, I'm guessing, at least 100, maybe twice that - > vintage Topps > > cards from 1956 through 1960, including a 1957 Hank Aaron. I was > stunned to > > see if there were any other star cards. I figure we could buy the > place, rip > > out the top of the bar to get to the cards, & then sell the place. > What does > > everyone think? :) > > > > Has anyone else seen such blatant disregard and desrespect for our > beloved > > vintage cardboard? > > > > Tom ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 22:38:08 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone want to buy a bar?? To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I think my suggestion that the bar owner was being disrespectful was borne out of jealousy and greed - nothing more than that. You can't imagine how tempted I was to "liberate" the cards and adopt them I will admit they were a welcome sight in that bar; I'm sure any & all other baseball fanatics enjoy seeing them there too. And if anyone out there is in the Athens Ohio area & would like to visit these cardboard treasures, you can find them in the Red Brick Tavern on Court Street. :) And have a pint for me! In a message dated 10/26/2003 8:47:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, familytoad@harborside.com writes: > Tom, > Displaying vintage cardboard for all patrons to see is not disrespectful in > my opinion...unless the bar lights are so dim that you cannot see the > Tipton-ized corners and adoration creases !!! > Nothing worse than dim lights and strong adult beverages to distort your > memories of baseball in the mid 50's-early 60's !!! > I'd applaud the tavern owner for rescuing these cards from the bicycle wheel > spokes and showing them off !! > It makes me want to take some of my cards out of hiding and take another > look...these stacks of boxes aren't being appreciated at all...I'm so glad that > a great number of my cards have migrated into binders for viewing. Maybe > someday a glass-top bar would be a good way for me to display more of my > treasures...I think it's a great idea, but someone must convince my better > half..(Grant ??? whaddya think !!) > Brian ================= To: Subject: Anyone want to buy a bar?? Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 19:46:09 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Brian, you have given me an idea....we have sent logs to the mill to be planed into fir flooring for the cabin...pretty dull in my opinion. Here is the new plan, and while I am dealing with your wife, you can deal with mine- a very large plexiglass floor, with appropriate cardboard under it. I consider that plan the ultimate in slabbing cards.....20 feet by 24 feet. Displaying vintage cardboard for all patrons to see is not disrespectful in my opinion...unless the bar lights are so dim that you cannot see the Tipton-ized corners and adoration creases !!! Nothing worse than dim lights and strong adult beverages to distort your memories of baseball in the mid 50's-early 60's !!! I'd applaud the tavern owner for rescuing these cards from the bicycle wheel spokes and showing them off !! It makes me want to take some of my cards out of hiding and take another look...these stacks of boxes aren't being appreciated at all...I'm so glad that a great number of my cards have migrated into binders for viewing. Maybe someday a glass-top bar would be a good way for me to display more of my treasures...I think it's a great idea, but someone must convince my better half..(Grant ??? whaddya think !!) ----- Original Message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone want to buy a bar?? Went back to Ohio U. for a reunion yesterday. We went to an establishment to enjoy a few adult beverages, so I go up to the bar, look down at the top of the bar, which is very long & covered in glass - and I notice that, under the glass, there is, I'm guessing, at least 100, maybe twice that - vintage Topps cards from 1956 through 1960, including a 1957 Hank Aaron. I was too stunned to see if there were any other star cards. I figure we could buy the place, rip out the top of the bar to get to the cards, & then sell the place. What does everyone think? :) Has anyone else seen such blatant disregard and desrespect for our beloved vintage cardboard? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:01:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: wanting to buy a bar From: "rayluurs" Knowing you and the cards you use Grant. Ya think Bill Hoeft has been walked over already ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:16:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Bar Display To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Frankly, I can't think of a better way to display (and view) vintage cards than under a glass-topped bar. Speaking of neat ways to display cards . . . many of us put cards in the spokes of our bikes as kids. How about putting them in the spokes of our hubcaps? Or marketing a hubcap that has a plastic case for our favorite card? That is the only way I would ever slab a card. Mike W ================= Date: 27 Oct 2003 04:33:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I have the 2002 and 2003 SCD Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards available. Due to the weight I'll have to send them by book rate which may take a week or so. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:37:26 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: P'd off From: digdugdig@webtv.net This will certainly turn some stomachs but anyone who knows me will tell you that I pull no punches and speak my mind...put it up front with no BS!!...Good OR bad...it's who I am!! Lately the OBC servers have me on a bit of a "downer". No wonder why some of the long termers have decided to cash in...I'm considering it myself...not what I expected. Used to be, after a tough day, I'd come home and get a "lift" out of reading thanks and ramblings but seems lately that the vice versa is the What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for "availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not what I expected from "OBC". I'm thinking about sending Yaz a thanks because he took the time to LOOK at wantlists and not just send out a waiver-available e-mail!! I don't wanna go begging, and if I wanna shop, I'll go to eBay!! You convinced me to join this group, it's been fun and rewarding because of who these people are!!...and there are many...but...there are some that don't understand what OBC is suppossed to be...evidently! And...you DON'T send an SCP with a note stating that I need "this or that" to help ME out!! Again...not my take on OBC...look at Lynn Miller...is there anyone who can hit this (true OBCer's) wantlist?? But he continues to bring smiles across OBC land!! with little, if no hope of reciprocation...THAT'S Haven't been able to "hit" ya Lynn but the "thought" is always there!!....Thanks for being LYNN MILLER!!...and an OBCer...class act! OBC...'nuff said??...Doug ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 04:42:13 EST Subject: Please sign me up again To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Whoever is responsible for on/off messages, can I get back on the thanks, ramblings and wantlist e-mails? Thanks, Howard the Grizzled one. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 06:56:48 -0500 (EST) To: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off From: Originaleek@webtv.net Obviously there are many interpretations of what OBC is or should be. It is what we make it and because we are imperfect OBC reflects that. I'm not always sure what it "should" be, but I feel strongly about what it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be a place where people insult and make judgements about one another. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:07:58 +0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off From: Lynn Miller Hi my OBC friends, I had hoped to refrain from putting my 2� in on this. But Doug has drawn me into this discussion (inadvertently I'm sure). And thanks for the very kind words. But we know there are many others who do the same thing and more and maintain the traditions and spirit of OBC. This is a great group, no one disputes that. It is "more than the cards" but I want to just talk about the cards here. My Vegas, National, Ft Washington, and OBC "swap session" days are coming. I too have developed my good friendships and have been the beneficiary of more than my share of "OBC kindness". I'm not going to get on a soap-box and defend one view or another. Certainly as anything evolves and grows it changes. However, that does not mean that the core values and traditions should be forgotten or replaced. And not that those are in concrete, there is always room for improvement but as long as the premise remains the same. I too believe we may have lost sight of our origins. I wasn't here in the beginning but I think I have a feel for what it was like. There is a history here and that is part of our make-up. Personally I think a lot of the "inactive" is a personal choice for non-OBC reasons. And that's OK. I left OBC for a time myself when I had a personal crisis and honestly never thought I would be be back. But I just couldn't stay away from this great group. However, I'm not naive enough to believe all of them are for personal reasons. There are a number of our "old guard" whose silence is deafening. That is a warning of sorts. I'm not too familiar with the workings of the OBCAC. But one observation is that some of them have tried to "kindly" admonish the group without singling out anyone in particular, about infractions of policy. Often it seems to work for a short while and then the problem reappears again. Not defending them, but they are not a police group and shouldn't be. We are all responsible adults here. UV is at the root of a lot of this. We have a server for this and if you don't know about it, learn about it. Talk to Carlos Alacazar, he is the moderator. Now I do realize that some of the new people could be overwhelmed by the generosity of OBC and in their eagerness to please will perhaps mistakenly think that mentioning anything will be OK. I do hold mentors somewhat responsible for this also. If you are one, you too have a responsibility to see that your protege is aware of the OBC way and to correct them privately when you see them doing something they shouldn't be. Don't wait for the OBCAC. As a mentor you know the difference, or should anyway. Maybe that's a problem too. And I do agree with Doug on the proliferation of "availables" lists. We are not about that. Perhaps that's the way other trading groups operate, but that's not OBC. It used to be that if you wanted to post availables, you did it as part of your link. The purpose here was to allow someone to not necessarily ask for cards (although there is nothing wrong with that), but could offer up "private" trades. And there always has been "trading" in OBC. I completely understand I don't think it's non-OBC to want something in return for "tough" cards. Personally I don't trade because I like to give the same way I was given, OBC's version of the "Golden Rule". I am also aware that economically, things have changed. I remember Solomon's auctions (wow do I miss those days), where you could bid on vintage bulk lots and Tipton stars for pennies on the dollars. You don't find those on the internet anymore. And eBay in it's infancy 5 years ago when I started buying cards (damn, my "printing press" story is busted), you could find really great bargain lots. Today it's a totally different market-place and tough to find really good deals. Doesnt' keep me from trying though :-D There are still some "OBC Friendly" dealers, but not as many as there were. And maybe our own expansion has had something to do with all this. But just a couple of other observations before this really gets Morganti-esque. Wantlists. Keep them up-to-date. It bothers me that people give thanks for cards and then you look at the wantlist a week later and the cards are still there. Timeliness and accuracy IS everything. Update your lists before giving thanks and give thanks immediately upon getting your cards! They are there for people to send "random acts" but it definitely takes a lot away when someone says "Thanks, but they are dupes so I'll make sure they get a good OBC home". It's great they are going to stay in OBC, but the sender has to feel a little deflated, don't ya think? I mean, when "your day is made", so is the sender's. They were sent with the same feeling that hopefully would be expressed when they were received. I'm not saying that people aren't going to send a few cards at the same time and you could receive the same card/s on the same day. It will happen, can't help that.. But trust me when I say I have observed for long enough that there are some people who don't do timely updates of their wantlist. I avoid sending cards for this reason. And the last item. Thanks. I've sent some cards to most of OBC, I think. Except for Jim Montgomery #$^&*@! If my experience is typical, this is a problem. If you receive cards, I don't care how "inactive" you have been, at least acknowledge the sender. It doesn't have to be on the server, although that's why it's there. I don't care if my name is mentioned or not. I don't think anyone is doing this for any personal glory, it's just helping each other. Do it privately with a personal email if that's your comfort zone. What I do care about is that the cards reached you. This goes back to; 1) common courtesy, 2) keeping the OBC tradition alive, 3) making sure our scarce resources haven't been gobbled up by USPS which happens and you just have to write it off. But there are far too many who just don't say anything to make USPS the bad guy for that many missing cards :-( . Doug's correct, I don't need reciprocation. I've had more than my share. Time to give to others the way it was given to me. I was where you new guys were a few years ago when I joined. Sure, my lists are not purely the result of OBC. I'm sure we all get cards for ourselves as well as others. But now I'm at the other end of "what goes around, comes around" and I'm enjoying this just as much. Lynn digdugdig@webtv.net wrote: >This will certainly turn some stomachs but anyone who knows me will tell >you that I pull no punches and speak my mind...put it up front with no >BS!!...Good OR bad...it's who I am!! >Lately the OBC servers have me on a bit of a "downer". No wonder why >some of the long termers have decided to cash in...I'm considering it >myself...not what I expected. >Used to be, after a tough day, I'd come home and get a "lift" out of >reading thanks and ramblings but seems lately that the vice versa is the >What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for >"availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not >what I expected from "OBC". >I'm thinking about sending Yaz a thanks because he took the time to LOOK >at wantlists and not just send out a waiver-available e-mail!! >I don't wanna go begging, and if I wanna shop, I'll go to eBay!! >You convinced me to join this group, it's been fun and rewarding >because of who these people are!!...and there are many...but...there are >some that don't understand what OBC is suppossed to be...evidently! >And...you DON'T send an SCP with a note stating that I need "this or >that" to help ME out!! >Again...not my take on OBC...look at Lynn Miller...is there anyone who >can hit this (true OBCer's) wantlist?? But he continues to bring smiles >across OBC land!! with little, if no hope of reciprocation...THAT'S >Haven't been able to "hit" ya Lynn but the "thought" is always >there!!....Thanks for being LYNN MILLER!!...and an OBCer...class act! >OBC...'nuff said??...Doug ================= Date: 27 Oct 2003 13:28:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: SCD Catalogs From: "obcjohn@knology.net" The two SCD Catalogs have been claimed. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:32:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off To: Originaleek@webtv.net, digdugdig@webtv.net From: Traderdoug@aol.com Well said EEK. Thanks. - Doug ================= To: Subject: What is OBC? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:52:29 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" 4 words "Random acts of kindness". I've a few things in mind. Do you? ;-) ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:06:03 EST Subject: waiver wire discussion To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com In a message dated 10/26/2003 11:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, digdugdig@webtv.net writes: > What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for > "availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not > what I expected from "OBC". Have to take a little bit of exception on this one. I am an old-timer, if not the most active of members. (I take the view that involvement can be looked at as a marathon, not a sprint. I have seen a lot of short-term OBC sprinters in my time.) From time to time, I will put up a waiver wire - generally because I have a stack of cards that have been sitting in my dupes box for ages, and I have been unable to find a home for them. I'd rather send them out then have them laying around. I intend to continue to do so. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:23:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: observations from an inactive voice To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins OBC brethren, I have purposely kept quiet on the issues surrounding the group for the last little while because I am listed as inactive, and as far as the actual card activity, that�s where I need to be right now. But I am still subscribed to the servers, and still try to find time to read at least some of the posts every day because I think this is indeed a very special group and one that I would very much like to rejoin fully when time allows. I hope as an inactive member, my comments are not deemed inappropriate here, but I wanted to make some points that I feel may be I have explained my situation and reasoning behind going inactive some time ago, my reasons were and are purely personal. Any perceived notion of disenchantment with the group should be dismissed, that is not why I left. I don�t have time to post waiver wires, let alone scour one wantlist after another, though in a perfect world there would be little that I can think of that I would rather do to relax. I did not want to be a drain on the OBC system, being only a taker and never a giver, and so I decided that going inactive would be the proper thing to do. I still get the occasional surprise in my mailbox from ever-generous folks like Lynn, for which I am eternally grateful and hopeful that I will be able to pay back before too much time goes by. Moving on, as a relatively �new� member of the group (I think I joined in October of 2001)� there were a few things about the OBC �traditions� that I apparently misunderstood or was not told about fully. I apologize if I have shared some of this before, but I think it bears relevant on the current situation from the perspective of newer member who may or may not be unwittingly �rocking the boat� as far as the traditions are concerned. Bear with me�.. 1. I have always thought of OBC as a trading group, and never a strict gift-giving only, �golden rule� group. This may be wrong, and if so I apologize, but I will tell you that this fact was never made clear to me. Several others have mentioned the desire to work out specific trades for some of the higher-dollar cards and their feelings that this is acceptable. I agree, but clearly there were folks who didn�t agree with me when I went this route about a year ago with a card I was looking to trade. The card itself isn�t important, but it was one with a book value of over $1000, so I figured that in offering it to the group I would try to engineer a specific trade rather than just sent it out to somebody that had it on their wantlist. Even if I had decided to go that route, the choice would not have been easy as the particular card was probably on better than 50% of the wantlists out there. The response I got was stunningly (to me, at least)-- hardly anything. I had a couple of replies a few days later from people that needed that card, but it was almost as if they were coming to me in an atmosphere of secrecy, not wanting others to know. I found out some months later through the grapevine that members and certain older members of the group were PO�d at me for posting an offer such as this on the servers. I had no clue that I had done anything wrong, and to this day nobody has specifically �called� me on it. But I learned from the implications that this was not accepted behavior. Some clear communication would have been helpful in this spot, and I think for a lot of things. 2. The waiver wire thing � I agree that if possible, it is better to search out people�s lists and send them more personal �surprises.� But, due to the regular number of waiver wires that I saw when I first joined the group, I also got the impression that it was better to go that route than not send cards at all if you were simply too busy. When did this become a problem? I agree that things would loose a personal touch if everything was a waiver wire or specific trade request, but are we really there yet? If we are and I haven�t noticed, I apologize. 3. The UV stuff � this should be the simplest matter of all. Simply put, UV has no place in OBC outside of the UV server. That�s one rule I think we can all agree on, as there are certainly a wide variety of groups out there to be a part of if your main thing is UV. Being relatively young, I would like to think (I�m 26) I grew up collecting Topps cards in the mid- 1980�s that many of you consider to be �UV� even though from my perspective UV didn�t really start until 1989 and the advent of Upper Deck and holograms. I still collect occasional things from the �80s, simply because I do have childhood memories of baseball and particular cards from that era, but I don�t mention them in any context w/ OBC. Sorry for the ramble. Please everybody just take care of this group, and realize that changes, differences of opinion, etc., are bound to and can happen without it being the end of the world. I want this group to be strong when I return to full active status!! Thanks � my 2 cents plus worth � I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:37:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire discussion To: malsman250@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I agree. I have often posted waiver wires, because stuff like Topps Supers, Rold Gold/Kelloggs' ATGs and Topps Scratch-Offs don't always appear on members' By the way, I still have a 1970 Scratch-Off of Jim Wynn if anybody wants it... But for stuff like my 50 dupes from '66 or '73 Topps, I don't post them as availables; rather, I'll send them out if I see them listed on anybody's wantlists. I'm still mired on the other end of the spectrum from Lynn, Bama and those who have shown me more generosity than I have been able to express. With my wife out of work for several months (she's a teacher, and one of her kid's parents falsely accused her of giving the boy a bruise...2 days in jail and $10K in legal fees later, all charges were dropped: the mark is still on Ellen's record and the mother has since moved out of state, where we can't go after her for lost wages and false statements), I had to take a big step away from buying cards. But don't think that because you don't see the name Chris Stufflestreet on a lot of Thanks, that I'm not willing to send stuff out. Right now, I can't hit a lot of wantlists, but when I'm in the position to have more dupes, I'll be more than happy to spread the love. I never expressed what was going on over the OBC servers because it was a personal matter, but then again, I never read any emails that made me think I had a finger pointed in my direction...and if I'm wrong for feeling that way, I'm sorry if I wasn't the intended recipient of the blame. I just tried to send stuff out when I could. An aside I couldn't fit anywhere else...I am actually quite anally retentive about keeping my wantlist up to date and keep the date at the top to indicate when it was last updated (rarely longer than 4-5 days ago). From time to time, I get overlapping packages where OBCer A would send me a stack of 1979 Topps for my collection and OBCer B would do the same, and I end up with some duplication. I have never said over the Thanks "they're dupes, I'll send them elsewhere." Instead, I just say "thanks" and leave it at that. I have been a proud member of OBC and enjoy the group. I have appreciated belonging to an organiztion of diverse yet similarly-minded collectors. It is truly a different atmosphere than other groups and I will remain here for as long as I still enjoy it. My $.02. Take care, --- malsman250@cs.com wrote: > In a message dated 10/26/2003 11:37:49 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > digdugdig@webtv.net writes: > > What's with all this "waiver wire" > crap...including a URL for > > "availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and > impersonable...and not > > what I expected from "OBC". > Have to take a little bit of exception on this one. > I am an old-timer, if not > the most active of members. (I take the view that > involvement can be looked > at as a marathon, not a sprint. I have seen a lot of > short-term OBC sprinters > in my time.) From time to time, I will put up a > waiver wire - generally because > I have a stack of cards that have been sitting in my > dupes box for ages, and > I have been unable to find a home for them. I'd > rather send them out then have > them laying around. I intend to continue to do so. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:39:56 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, digdugdig@webtv.net, From: Wite3@aol.com Being an OBCer who has been around for awhile, what is written below is really not the case. In fact, OBC started with nothing more than waiver and trade claims. In fact the original OBC comes from two threads on a prodigy bulletin board, the first titled Old Baseball Cards was used for information and chat, the second was titled Old Card Trades. Yes, trades. In fact for the first few years we did not post wantlists and often did not send them out. We would post waiver claims and people would just pick what they needed. We would send and that would be it. If you are feeling that what is happening with the waiver claims seems wrong then that is your hang-up. Sure technology has changed, as has OBC, but speaking as an "old-timer" I see no problem with waiver claims. -Joshua Levine In a message dated 10/26/03 9:21:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, seventytwop@hotmail.com writes: > >From: digdugdig@webtv.net > >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off > >Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:37:26 -0800 (PST) > > > >This will certainly turn some stomachs but anyone who knows me will tell > >you that I pull no punches and speak my mind...put it up front with no > >BS!!...Good OR bad...it's who I am!! > > > >Lately the OBC servers have me on a bit of a "downer". No wonder why > >some of the long termers have decided to cash in...I'm considering it > >myself...not what I expected. > > > >Used to be, after a tough day, I'd come home and get a "lift" out of > >reading thanks and ramblings but seems lately that the vice versa is the > >case. > > > >What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for > >"availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not > >what I expected from "OBC". > > > >I'm thinking about sending Yaz a thanks because he took the time to LOOK > >at wantlists and not just send out a waiver-available e-mail!! > > > >I don't wanna go begging, and if I wanna shop, I'll go to eBay!! > > > >You convinced me to join this group, it's been fun and rewarding > >because of who these people are!!...and there are many...but...there are > >some that don't understand what OBC is suppossed to be...evidently! > > > >And...you DON'T send an SCP with a note stating that I need "this or > >that" to help ME out!! > > > >Again...not my take on OBC...look at Lynn Miller...is there anyone who > >can hit this (true OBCer's) wantlist?? But he continues to bring smiles > >across OBC land!! with little, if no hope of reciprocation...THAT'S > >OBC!! > > > >Haven't been able to "hit" ya Lynn but the "thought" is always > >there!!....Thanks for being LYNN MILLER!!...and an OBCer...class act! > > > >OBC...'nuff said??...Doug ================= To: Subject: p'd off Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:00:30 -0800 From: "terry ellis" my turn, Im new ,so I know I don't send everyone cards, so I feel the available emails is a way to let those I havent sent to a way to let me know a need. also I get emails on those like this- I have been meaning to start that, so any left overs I would like. also ihave been trying to be active and hope ive been a good member. I hope I havent offended anyone. as I said before , after my stroke this group has been the best theraphy possible, thanks. my 2 bits kit okamuro ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:22:36 EST Subject: Moving on up!!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jceru8600@aol.com Hello OBCers, It is with great excitement that I write to all of you today. I've been really busy of late and have a handful of pkgs. still to open on my really messy desk (the return Addresses are from Geno, Ken (auction winnings, great job Ken!!!), Peter Mead, and Mike Rich. Anyway, let me get to the point. We have purchased a new home. We currently live in a townhouse. We have three boys under the age of eight and it was finally time to move on up. (Now if I can only get this stupid "Jeffersons" song out of my head). We settle on our "new to us" home this Friday and put our townhouse on the market this week. As folks who have recently done this know, there is so much stuff to do it's mind blowing on top off everything else that goes down each and every day. I happen to also work for NASA and that alone will make most folks cry. Time to get to the point. I need to go inactive from the group. I realize this is probably not the greatest of times to do this with all the discussions happening, but hey, I need to do what I have to do. As one OBCer said this morning, sorry to see you leave, and I said where I'm I going, I'll still be here. I still hope to make as many functions as I can and will always be a member of OBC, I'll just not have my wantlist public (big deal!!!). take care everyone, Joe Cerullo ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:29:02 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] p'd off To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I thought I'd put my two-cents in on this, as I'm the one who posted the html version of the waiver wire. Having been a member of OBC for ten years now, like many of the older guys in the group, I also remember the days when I could memorize or print out everyone's wantlist. Of course, that was when there were only 25-35 guys in the group. We used to have weekly online meetings where we would offer up cards, and that always seemed to go well. Heck, the way I got involved with OBC was through a parallel version of the waiver wire... the $0 maximum bid auction that Guru ran on AOL's boards. I responded that I'd love a couple cards, told him why, and was told that I might enjoy the company of a group of old ballcard goofballs and it's been by far the best group of folks I've ever known. Not for the cardboard, though that's great, but for the friendships. My decision to post a waiver wire website was because I *do not* have a ton of stuff in my dupes box and after four evenings of frustration trying to find homes for it using the OBC server, I became frustrated. Even using the shortcuts that Steve Rittenberg has ingeniusly worked in (the Who Collects What section...), it was taking forever to find that goofy '57 Topps of Bill Bardner that is missing the bottom third of the card. At that rate, it would take me months (if ever!) to send out the stuff that folks could use now. With two active kids, a wife that is involved in about seven different community and professional functions (all of whom seem to have just discovered the wonders of e-mail, cutting the time I get to use the computer significantly), and my perpetual search for professional employment, I wanted to generate a quick (not just easy) way of getting stuff out to so many of the folks I care about. In the past, I've been able to do that with an "availables" posting to the group, including only old cards to the base group and sending a separate message with availables to the UV server. My reluctance in using this method this time was b ecause it always seems like I always have to write a ton of "Sorry, those have already been claimed" posts back to folks. Also, it seems that unless cards get claimed quickly, they remain sitting in the box because some folks who are behind in their e-mail won't even bother to respond, as they figure everything was claimed, again depriving a wayward card of a loving home. I thought by developing a website with freebies available, it would allow folks to see what I have... a virtual dupes box... in almost real-time, as I can take cards off as they are claimed and put more on as I find them around this model of entropy that I call my den without having to send umpteen updates. FYI, when I do get a waiver wire claim, I often go out to the person's webpage and try to find a little something extra to fill in the package a bit. Sometimes I can't, but if I see that you are missing two '74 to complete a set, I'll usually go ahead and pull 'em from my set for ya because I love helping folks finish sets. That's where the personalization of each package comes in. A second reason why I like "availables" lists is that an uncanny number of claims come from folks who don't even have the card/item listed on their wantlist. For example, Bob D'Angelo just picked up a package of old Mets photos I'd had laying around here cluttering up the den for over 2 years, but there's no place on his list where it says that he could have used them. He got them for another old collector who is not on the 'net... Jim Rizzo... and I'm thrilled they are now somewhere where they will be appreciated. Another guy wanted some of the racing cards for his kids... that gave me a big thrill! Other folks collect team or players where each card is not listed and others are upgrading sets (though few cards I have could really be "upgrades"!). I never consider a request off the waiver wire as "begging" and I have NO intention of ever selling anything off it. Heck, I don't even care if I get a card back from ya... I just want to get the dupes out to homes where they can be enjoyed. The one area where I did err is that I should have created a UV-free version of the list for the general OBC group, but even there, serendipity stepped in, as a guy who I know would not have clicked on a UV link and is not on the UV Server noticed that I had cards he could use for the ONE UV set he is trying to finish! I've always been a little different from most OBCers because I enjoy all cards, whether they were published yesterday or fifty years ago. A great baseball photo, an informative writeup where I learn something about the player, and the thrill of opening a pack to me are timeless. Since this is not the way most in OBC seem to feel, I will, however, create the UV-Free version for OBCers (the other list will continue to be comprehensive). Anyway, I guess that's more like a nickle's worth rather than two cents. I sure didn't mean to stir anything up here... just wanted to find homes for some cardboard old and new. Take care and I hope this helps folks understand where I was coming from... ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire discussion Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:03:17 -0800 From: "Greg $yaz$" The inherent problem with the 'waiver wire' system is basically, a large number of OBCers can not or will not take advantage of it and therefore will never get any cards from OBCers that use the waiver wire exclusively. OBCers may not check their mail daily, may check at late times, (when claimsare already taken), may have limited time when reading mail and therefore not have time to check through lists, may feel uneasy asking for stuff fromanybody or maybe just from certain others, (whom they may feel they already owe), or for other unnamed reasons. As for myself, I very seldom claim or even scan through waiver wire cards. I feel I will always be too late and that the sender will have the uneasy task of telling me, "sorry, no cards for you" I did in fact recently askfor some cards that were important to me and were being offered, when I got online earlier than usual. After I sent off my email with the numbers I wanted, I continued to read the rest of my mail and was not surprised to seeall the cards I wanted had already been claimed before my mail had even left the server. I find no fault with the offerer though. I do realize that there are lots of good reasons to offer waiver cards like this so I see no reason to get angry or frustrated about it. I am happy to share my point of view though. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: malsman250@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 7:06 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire discussion In a message dated 10/26/2003 11:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, digdugdig@webtv.net What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for "availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not what I expected from "OBC". Have to take a little bit of exception on this one. I am an old-timer, ifnot the most active of members. (I take the view that involvement can be looked at as a marathon, not a sprint. I have seen a lot of short-term OBC sprinters in my time.) From time to time, I will put up a waiver wire - generally because I have a stack of cards that have been sitting in my dupes box for ages, and I have been unable to find a home for them. I'd rather sendthem out then have them laying around. I intend to continue to do so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "OBC" Subject: Ouch! Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:26:48 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Sometimes I just want to WIN an eBay auction. You bid and bid and bid, and then you get outbid and outbid and outbid. I really wanted that off grade 1952 Topps #274 Ralph Branca, one of only fourteen cards I need to complete the 1952 Topps set numbered below #311. A Brooklyn Dodger too! Shipping charge was $2 so I placed a bid of $15.25 and thought I had a pretty good chance of winning this card. I WON THE AUCTION FOR $13.19!!!! Maybe you are wondering "Guru, why is your message titled Ouch!"? The seller sent me payment instructions along with this message. "You paid to much for this card. Shipping will be free!" ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:36:21 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ouch! To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com The Guru paying too much for a card? What's this world coming to? In a message dated 10/27/2003 2:32:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, larry.tipton@netzero.net writes: Sometimes I just want to WIN an eBay auction. You bid and bid and bid, and then you get outbid and outbid and outbid. I really wanted that off grade 1952 Topps #274 Ralph Branca, one of only fourteen cards I need to complete the 1952 Topps set numbered below #311. A Brooklyn Dodger too! Shipping charge was $2 so I placed a bid of $15.25 and thought I had a pretty good chance of winning this card. I WON THE AUCTION FOR $13.19!!!! Maybe you are wondering "Guru, why is your message titled Ouch!"? The seller sent me payment instructions along with this message. "You paid to much for this card. Shipping will be free!" ================= To: "malsman250@cs.com" , OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire discussion Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:45:32 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" As another old-timer (since '95 anyway), I also see no problem with waiver wire lists. Sometimes it encourages people to start new sets that aren't on their lists... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/27/2003 7:06:03 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire discussion In a message dated 10/26/2003 11:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, digdugdig@webtv.net writes: What's with all this "waiver wire" crap...including a URL for "availables"??...that's not OBC...it's lazy and impersonable...and not what I expected from "OBC". Have to take a little bit of exception on this one. I am an old-timer, if not the most active of members. (I take the view that involvement can be looked at as a marathon, not a sprint. I have seen a lot of short-term OBC sprinters in my time.) From time to time, I will put up a waiver wire - generally because I have a stack of cards that have been sitting in my dupes box for ages, and I have been unable to find a home for them. I'd rather send them out then have them laying around. I intend to continue to do so. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:20:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ramblings??? From: directorth@aol.com I'm subscribed to Ramblings in Digest mode, but I've only received one Ramblings mailing since Thursday, and the Thanks digest has only shown up a couple of times in my inbox, when I used to receive them both every day. Is anyone else having this problem (and thus it's not on my end), or is it just me? ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ramblings??? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:45:39 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Gang, there is no doubt in my mind that something is amiss with the servers....some are gettings messages fine, others are not. So Tom, don't take it personally....and it's not only the Ramblings server...seems to be sort of hit and miss these days.. I'm subscribed to Ramblings in Digest mode, but I've only received one Ramblings mailing since Thursday, and the Thanks digest has only shown up a couple of times in my inbox, when I used to receive them both every day. Is anyone else having this problem (and thus it's not on my end), or is it just me? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:45:33 EST Subject: Waiver Wire, UV, Trades it's all good To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I honestly went inactive because I felt guilty about being inactive. I almost left because of some of the things I read recently with members being less than kind to other members. I miss the personal stories others have mentioned and I also feel the AC should reinstate monthly minutes so that we all know what is being discussed and acted upon. I would love to see more "Random Acts of Kindness" (we can never get enough of them)! I have NO problem with trades of star cards, UV postings (as long as it doesn't get out of hand, using the UV server can fix that) or waiver wire offerings. I personally have given hundreds of cards away by listing my "Dupes Box". I have also searched wantlists and sent hundreds of cards that way. I will continue to do both when I become more active. I feel I am often misunderstood when I write these "Ramblings" and perhaps this is one of those times. I noticed over the years I seem to be right in the thick of controversy almost everytime it happens. I would like to think it is because I care so much for OBC but it could also be my inability to explain myself. If I stared all this, this time I apologize to all of you! Another Baseball Quote: "Baseball reflects American society's need for confrontation." ------W.J. WEATHERBY Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:41:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Ramblings??? From: "Joe Isaac" You're not the only one. I've been having this problem for the past 3 weeks. I've emailed my provider (hotmail.com) and they actually replied back to look into it. My guess is that it's a bouncing issue (no pun intended) or a weeky digest rather than daily digest. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@a... wrote: > I'm subscribed to Ramblings in Digest mode, but I've only received one Ramblings mailing since Thursday, and the Thanks digest has only shown up a couple of times in my inbox, when I used to receive them both every day. > Is anyone else having this problem (and thus it's not on my end), or is it just me? > Tom ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:47:54 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Ramblings??? To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I think there is a problem with the servers. I have missed messages and had discussions with others that are having the same problem. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 17:36:47 -0500 To: XTrJmx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] p'd off From: Mark S Talbot Hello All, I've given a great deal of thought to the topics of discussion since Trips decided to go inactive. My fellow FOOT member John McLaughlin likes stories so I will try to spin a real yarn here so pull up a seat and grab a cold one. I have written Rick Ellison recently and shared my dismay that he would actually think of leaving OBC, but that is a decision that many are often faced with. I made my rookie debut in OBC in July of 2000, so I am in my "4th season" and have enjoyed the quips, conversation and fellowship that has sprung from our mutual interest in collecting old pieces of cardboard. Rick has always voiced his opinion in these years and I have often told him how much I appreciate that. In my humble opinion, Rick often voices what other "older" members wish they had said but didn't have the words and I believe that that is a good thing. Many discussions have been made @ UV cards and what exactly comprises one. The accepted definition for OBC'ers is post 1980 even though as some often point out the cards didn't actually get he ultra-violet coating until 1989 with Upper Deck products leading the way. Some of us collect them, some do not. Over time we have established acceptable practices with regards to this material, but for the most part I believe that this information has been passed on as word of mouth and has never been actually posted in a "Code of Conduct" or some similar document. I for one do not believe that a group of friends with a common interest in "old cardboard" needs to draft such a document. It is out of respect for the founders of the group, people like Rick, Lynn, Guru, etc... that we have a separate server for discussions about UV cards, that's the way it is and we should have respect for our "Elders" (At least that the way my father raised me). I have told this story before but indulge me. I became interested in OBC about 1997 when Bill Malson had purchased some `64 Topps cards I was selling on eBay. I told him then that I would accept a S.A.S.E. for his purchase and he wrote me a bit surprised because he was just trying to pick up some cards for his dupe box and wanted to save $$$ on the shipping and most sellers were padding the pocket with crazy S&H charges (Yes even 5-6 years ago the dealers were unscrupulous). Well Bill got me curious about why someone would be filling there dupe box because after all I was attempting to sell off mine. He explained that he was going to give these away to "friends" in a group called OBC, I thought this strange but I wanted to know more. Bill wrote me a few times to explain what I now know to be the "OBC spirit" and I was intrigued. He suggested that I contact members and set up "trades" as a starting point. YES YOU HEARD ME RIGHT - set up trades. I contacted Skelly first (You "old-timers will remember him) and some other members and no one turned me away because they didn't want to trade. In some small way it is the cardboard that helps us to develop trust in one another. We are always asked about our opinions of prospective members and most of those opinions come from previous trades which in turn reflect on our character. It is that character that we embrace when we talk about OBC spirit. We would not be honest if we said we didn't enjoy sending and receiving cards but they are just pieces of cardboard it is the thoughtfulness and character of the members that make the exchanges meaningful. I've often said this - "Old Baseball cards are just cardboard, but the friendships and camaraderie is what it is all about". I still believe that today and would miss friends like Rick, even though I have never actually shaken his hand. As for other trading groups, I belong to a number of them. I am most proud of my charter membership in Dan Austin's group VCT. There is a certain resemblance to OBC but it is unique. When I want to set up a trade I go to this group, because guys just don't send out `55 Mantle cards, you either have to buy them or get them in trade. I like the trading method. So the dialogue is correct - there are other groups out there that do it differently than OBC. I like to just send cardboard as well and this works best in OBC - because that is the accepted method in our group - "random acts of kindness". But in all groups there is a friendship that goes beyond the cardboard - very much like that when we sat on the candy store steps and swapped or flipped with our buddies. On the subject of availables postings - we have a number of mail servers (I know as I moderate them all) and it seems to me that if we use the servers correctly then those of us who do not want to be bothered availables lists can unsubscribe or delete these postings easily. We have (5) different OBC-Announcements - Used by OBCAC to inform us of group issues and to send out the monthly directory. OBC-Ramblings - for stuff that goes on and on like this posting. OBC-Thanks - To show appreciation for the old cardboard we have receive OBC-Wantlist - To post want lists and availables UV-LIST - (Moderated by CARLOS ALCAZAR) - A place to discuss and swap UV infested stuff I see no reason why members who want to post availables or want list cannot do so. We have the server set up for that purpose and you don't have to subscribe to it if you do not want to. The only server that all should be a member is the announcements server. In my effort to gain the respect of Ken Morganti I will close this manuscript by saying that have toughly enjoyed my membership in OBC. I especially enjoy getting together with OBC members for ball games, swap sessions, to hang out at shows or just to talk on the phone. I love old cardboard guys but trust me when I say "It's not about the cardboard". Let's just remember that in all of this and we will all be fine. Thanks to EEK, Mike, Jim, Cap, Doug, Lynn, Fr. Pat, Terry and all the others who have felt strongly enough about his issue to chime in. I mean this when I say it OBC - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:23:21 EST Subject: EBay Horrors! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Those of you that know me know I have been working on the 1952 and 1953 Mother's Cookies Sets for a long time. I have both set up as searches on EBay and today I searched "1953 Mother's Cookies" only to find 54 items all but one was listed by Mike Wheat with the following information: Starting Price: AU $72.35 ($50.56 US) This listing has been placed on Ebay's Australian site as part of a special promotion. However, we are located in the United States. The minimum bid shown is in Australian dollars, and the approximate US equivalent is shown in red above. At the conclusion of the auction, you will receive an invoice in US dollars. The shipping cost within the United States is shown in the green table below. Shipping outside the US will be at actual cost. I am sick about this! Not only are the cards overpriced they may well be leaving the country! What should I do? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 15:48:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay Horrors! To: tply@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki The solution is obvious. You work for the customs service . . . you and your buddies can confiscate all such packages. After all, sending mother's cookies out of the country has to be subversive. Mike W tply@aol.com wrote: Those of you that know me know I have been working on the 1952 and 1953 Mother's Cookies Sets for a long time. I have both set up as searches on EBay and today I searched "1953 Mother's Cookies" only to find 54 items all but one was listed by Mike Wheat with the following information: Starting Price: AU $72.35 ($50.56 US) This listing has been placed on Ebay's Australian site as part of a special promotion. However, we are located in the United States. The minimum bid shown is in Australian dollars, and the approximate US equivalent is shown in red above. At the conclusion of the auction, you will receive an invoice in US dollars. The shipping cost within the United States is shown in the green table below. Shipping outside the US will be at actual cost. I am sick about this! Not only are the cards overpriced they may well be leaving the country! What should I do? Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:56:07 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay Horrors! To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com This act may even rank up there with the "Cheese Smuggler" I have been tracking for years! Some may remember a friend and fellow OBCer having a little issue with cheese comming through U.S. Customs. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:19:15 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EBay Horrors! To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Its simply a case of economics. Ebay divisions (different countries) have free listing days, where retailers do not have to pay the 30 cents (or more ) per item to list that item. Retailers, such as Mike Wheat can use software programs designed for these such days & list as many items as possible & only pay a fee to Ebay IF the items sells. Mike Wheat has listed several thousand items from his inventory, at regular prices, at what is essentially no cost to him. Ebay usually has these types of promotions quarterly, suspiciously timed very closely to quarterly dividend announcements, where they can show potential investors (in their stock) that traffic & volume is up..... ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:32:47 EST Subject: If you have ever coached Little League! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com At one point during a game, the coach called one of his 7-year-old baseball players aside and asked, "Do you understand what cooperation is? What a team is?" The little boy nodded in the affirmative. "Do you understand that what matters is whether we win or lose together as a team?" The little boy nodded yes. "So," the coach continued, "I'm sure you know, when an out is called, you shouldn't argue, curse, attack the umpire, or call him a pecker-head. Do you understand all that?" Again the little boy nodded. He continued, "And when I take you out of the game so another boy gets a chance to play, it's not good sportsmanship to call your coach 'a dumb asshole' is Again the little boy nodded. "Good," said the coach. "Now go over there and explain all that to your mother." ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:14:23 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: UV Mailing List Server Info From: Carlos Alcazar Having been mentioned not once but twice by name in less than 24 hours (Which is normally not a good thing), I decided not to wait for a Beetlejuice-esqe third calling before making an appearance. I will openly admit that since going inactive myself, which like others have said of themselves is the appropriate place for me right now, I have not followed things as closely as I should have. I thought we dealt with this UV problem already when someone (who will remain nameless) started a mailing list just for such an occasion. :-) Anyway new members have joined and I suppose the time has come for a refresher on what is available to those of the UV persuasion. Started in Sept 1998, which btw predates the current OBC mailing servers by at least 2 years (I really wanted to mention that. :-), the OBC UV Mailing list is available to all who have wantlists, availables or thanks for UV related materials. This mailing list is moderated by yours truly and can only be accessed by e-mailing me directly with your desire to join and the e-mail you wish to receive the list to. Then I snap my fingers and it is done. Anyway that should clear things up for those not aware of their options, Carlos (UV list moderator guy) ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:20:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, I usually discuss OBC things now and then with my wife. I happened to mention the waiver-wire discussions and all the good/bad comments. Here's her comment. "Why would anybody be upset with someone trying to give away cards?" "It's not like they were soliciting them for selling purposes." Now does that make sense or what. And of course she has to make a sarcastic comment along with it. "You're are talking about baseball cards not real-life threatening issues." How that for a little brevity. As one of the old-timers in this club I can remember when there was just a small group of us and I started out with a penciled wantlist in small wired binder and very little in the dup box. I was more than willing to trade and even buy cards (heaven forbid) to close out a trade. This club has grown in leaps and bounds over the years and it is virtually impossible unless you have alot of free time on your hands to go thru every single wantlist. Even with Steve Rittenberg's and/or whomever's help of our search application it is still a laborious ritual. My annual 'Postman Cometh' will be discontinued as last year when I did it; it took two months to completely sort/package/mail out the hundred or so that I did. This is a humungous task to have to pull off every year. Which brings me to the waiver-wire listings issue. I thought I would shortcut some of my time by listing cards that have sat in my dup for more years than I care to discuss. I thought this would promote some trading, help type card setups, getting people to open up new sets on their wantlists, and just plain trying to get rid of cards my wife has been nagging me about doing something I have literally thousands of cards I have been trying to get rid of and I find the waiver-wire listing the quickest and easiest way to accomodate everyone. I have also tried to answer everyone who I had cards for and if you didn't receive a reply sorry about that. I don't want to clutter up our servers for every single email I receive and can't reply to. Obviously, if I have not replied back then I had no cards left from that individual's request. On another topic/issue I will review my wantlist again. I know I have condition comments on mine. I will change them to upgrades. As some members know I have completed my Topps sets from 1952 thru to the present. I am now going back and upgrading them all as well as to accomodate others who can't hit my wantlist opened up other years (i.e. 1957/1958) for a third set. Enough rambling and my .02 cents worth. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 01:23:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: EBay Horrors! From: "alcattle" I found six more mother's cards up, look for veeeish as seller, even though he ended an auction early for some reason. His other prices are fair. As for Mike Wheat's cards, they are either ignoring him or know the value at any currency. I would wait and see if some things else came up. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@a... wrote: > OBC, > Those of you that know me know I have been working on the 1952 and > Mother's Cookies Sets for a long time. I have both set up as searches on EBay and > today I searched "1953 Mother's Cookies" only to find 54 items all but one was > listed by Mike Wheat with the following information: > Starting Price: AU $72.35 ($50.56 US) > This listing has been placed on Ebay's Australian site as part of a > promotion. However, we are located in the United States. The minimum bid shown > is in Australian dollars, and the approximate US equivalent is shown in red > above. At the conclusion of the auction, you will receive an invoice in US > dollars. The shipping cost within the United States is shown in the green table > below. Shipping outside the US will be at actual cost. > I am sick about this! Not only are the cards overpriced they may well be > leaving the country! What should I do? > Trips ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:41:12 EST Subject: Non-controversial ramble -- 1948/49 Leaf set To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I apologize for breaking into the recent flow of ramblings with a simplistic question -- Is it worth it to try to complete a 1948/49 Leaf set at this time? I still need about 28 SP's. Yesterday the following auction was completed: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2759902337 This PSA 1 (F-P) Henrich went for $203.51. My 2001 SCD says this card is $300 NM and $90 VG. I have the cards that I thought were the tough ones -- Joe DiMaggio, Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Warren Spahn, Jackie Robinson, but I cannot win auctions for the lesser players who are SP's. Some of you have completed this set or are closer to it than I am. With the current "bubble"(??) prices for SP's, is it worth continuing or should I throw in the towel? I would guess that the cards I have would go a long way toward allowing me to complete the rest of the sets on my want lists. Any opinions??? Brock H. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:58:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P'd off To: KWG0@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com kent: from what i have read today, i believe very few if anyone had any problems with your postings this weekend, with the exception perhaps of some new members who may not have the experience to know that giving away cards, whether it be through a direct mail surprise package or a waiver wire posting is very much in the tradition of OBC. also, once your sets are complete, i dont think anyone has a problem with trying to upgrade, and your website should indicate that. otherwise, your just adding dupes you dont need. i am sorry that anyone called into question anything that has been considered perfectly acceptable for at least the two years i have been a member. as a suggestion, perhaps the AC can make sure that mentors have a basic list of items they should go over with new members so that everyone is on the same ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] comings and goings (voice of a rookie) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:25:57 -0500 From: "Peter Mead" My fifty cent diatribe-- In no particular order other than the first one. I agree with most everything Mark, Lynn, Mike, Bama, Chris and others have shared and I felt that someone who just passed their first OBC anniversary should share his thoughts(that's me). I also keep thinking about something Joe Cerullo told me when he sent me a welcome to OBC package--"don't worry if you can't hit my lists--please just hit someone else's." (Joe--please leave your lists up and posted--please) 1) What a delightful year of memories. Nothing else quite matches OBC on a number of fronts--camaraderie, online friends, and get togethers (don't care if it is at Rittenberg's house, meeting up with Kent, Fug, Terry and Mattman in Western PA or meeting Andy Cook or Dan Cipra in downtown Washington). Hats and Tee shirts. Random acts of Kindness--you have to know that this is a lot more fun for the sender. OBC Santas, Sean's case buying and lost super bowl pools. The familytoad trying to get me started on adding green tints to my wantlists. And who can leave out St. Al's tenth anniversary-Wow! 2) The Redpath auction--Sadly I never met Rick, but then I do have two daughters who are nine and five (and I think any parent has those fears). The auction was one of the most heart warming efforts I have ever been involvedin. Ken (and his help)--you did an incredible job, and I was thrilled to be a tiny part of it (anyone need some Kellogg's cards-just bought a lot from some guy named Ken_M and I don't collect them). 2) Other Card Trading Groups--Yes, I belong to a couple of other groups--and I think Mark Talbot explained some of the differences quite well. I knowthere are some folks out there who feel like me--you are in a mad dash to complete these silly baseball cards sets from their youth. Being involved in other groups provides a wider web exposure--but they are different from OBC. Nobody even comes close to having a HOM. 3) Waiver wires--I don't have problems with waiver wires. In fact, I have posted a few--primarily to thin out the dup box of stuff that I could look all day for to try to find a wantlist match. For example, if I win a lot that has six 1962 woodie Carl Sawatski (#106)- I want anyone who doesn't havethis rare card to have the opportunity to claim it. I also think that some members are so busy that they simply don't have the time to check a lot of want lists--and I appreciate their efforts to still be active through waiver 4) Mentoring a new member--I can't say I really had a mentor (thanks MarcPeter for stepping in) and I think OBCAC really needs to review the system. I know I made some real mistakes early on and some of you were kind enough to point me in the right direction. In light of the recent discussions, I think all of us newer folks are worried about a watered down institutional memory of what OBC has done and what it is all about--none of us want that. 5) Condition requirements--I truly feel that some of us are too condition conscious. In an early discussion with Andy Cook I determined that I prettymuch matched his condition requirements when he said--"I am condition friendly." And that pretty much described me. Not to say that you shouldn't have some interest in upgrading sets, or want a higher condition for a particular set--but I have to admit I don't even look at the wantlists that indicate EX or better on most sets. I have one of those VG or less dup boxes. 6) Wantlists--I try to keep my lists up-to-date--but then I have been an on-line baseball card junkie for only a couple of years. But we have a number of members whose lists are a couple of years old--that doesn't help muchwhen checking wantlists. 7) Courtesy--I agree with Lynn completely. I am not really looking for a return package--but I sure would like to know that the package I sent your way arrived. Sadly, thanks isn't always forthcoming. My sincere apologies if I have offended any of you-- My personal delight if a piece of cardboard I sent your way brought a smileto your face (or a distant memory of America's game played sometime in thelast Thanks for letting me be part of it, Peter Mead ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: suzguy11@hotmail.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] comings and goings I have already sent out a ramble lamenting some of the older members leaving the group. I would also like to add/respond to a couple of things thatCap mentioned. This is more of my thoughts and not meant as a debate. 1. Value of cards is meaningless 2. Condition of cards is meaningless 3. Sending is better than receiving 4. No pre-arranged mailings (with the exception of available postings) 5. No UV I would like to think that overall I have the OBC spirit, and try to liveup to the ideals of the group. I believe I have sent out at least my "fair share" of packages and have helped a number of members with their collections. That said: 1. Not all cards are meaningless. Sometimes we are lucky enough to get a "big ticket" item we are willing to part with. Virtually all of us have some financial limitations (some more than others), and cannot "afford" to part with a big ticket item without getting something comparable in return.See also #4 below. 2. Condition of cards is meaningless. I like to fill holes in my collection. When a set is finished I compile an "upgrade" list (there is a link to this list on my OBC site and it is longer than most of my other lists combined). I would like to get cards in the nicest shape I can, although that often means "beater". Some sets however may have special meaning to myself or someone else and therefore may want better condition on a specific set or 2. Sometimes on a fav player, such as our HOM's. 3. Sending is better than receiving. As the good book says, "It is better to give than receive." 4. Pre-arranged trades. As mentioned earlier sometimes you may have a "high ticket" item, available. In my case, I have a few dupe sets that I have swapped to OBCers. I have spent some significant $ on a few of those and do not feel compelled to just "give" them away. On these items, I see nothing wrong with a pre-arranged trade. I certainly send out a lot of cards. 5. UV cards. I am not a fan of UV material. I have a link for UV itemson my OBC site. This was done more for people who do not have deep dupe boxes to have a chance to "repay" me some way. A majority of OBC cannot hitmy main wantlists, especially, Bowman and Topps BB, which is down to under300 6. Non-BB. I collect all sports. Look at my E-mail name: mikesportsfan, says it all. My OBC lists are separated, so if someone has no interest in FB, BSKB, Hockey, multi-sport, etc., they do not even have to look at it. Again this may allow others to hit what otherwise be difficult. I personally do try and send "repayment" to anyone who is kind enough to think of me and send me something. This is not always possible and the "value" of what I return may not be close to what I receive, high or low. To me that is part of the OBC spirit. Be thankful for what I get, and try andhelp others. I do not keep track of what I send out. I do keep loose track of WHO I send to, so I can make sure they receive anything I may send. Although I do not keep close track of who I receive from, I usually know who has sent me something. I do not send out multiple packages of "valuable"cards to folks who do not participate, either with me or by lack of thankson the servers. Those who are active and/or who have sent me things hopefully have received things from me. I would hope my actions/behaivor fits within the ideals of the group as established. There are certain things that individuals in the group do, that bother me, but that is life. You get a big enough group, and you are going to have problems. We need to remember this is done for enjoyment and the friendships. If we lose the enjoyment, why bother. Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Ramblings??? Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:51:23 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" I had messages getting bounced a couple of weeks ago myself. I was able tocontact my ISP - they had made some recent changes to whatever email thingie they use to get email to me. Took a little while though, which was kinda ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: jwi62@hotmail.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Ramblings??? I think there is a problem with the servers. I have missed messages and had discussions with others that are having the same problem. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:22:01 EST Subject: Scotland Visit To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Hi Guys, As Glenn mentioned, Lucy and I and some friends visited Scotland and Ireland last week. This was a wonderful vacation and our visit with Glenn and Maureen Codere made it that much better. The pub where we met was very crowded, as Glenn had noted, with Manchester United pre-game soccer fans. Fortunately, Lucy spotted Glen's OBC cap and we were able to connect. Glenn and Maureen are delightful people and we thoroughly enjoyed the visit and pub crawl. Attached is a photo of Glenn and me and his OBC cap. Those pints of ale are only props (yeah right!). I will send a second e-mail with a group picture, as whenever we attach two or more pictures to an e-mail, for some reason only the first one is sent and received. Thanks again Glenn and Maureen for a great evening! George Hay ================= Date: 28 Oct 2003 03:20:50 -0000 To: brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-controversial ramble -- 1948/49 Leaf set From: "obcjohn@knology.net" I'd say that the answer depends on how much you like the set and how badly you want to complete the set. On my prewar wantlist I have the 1933 George C. Miller set listed, from which I have 3 cards. I've got about as much chance of finishing that set as I have of winning the Nobel Prize and yet the thought of adding a card or 2 a year to the set is exciting. If you're not really into the set I'd say sell it and work on sets you're more interested in. Personally, I like the 48-49 Leaf set, especially since it is a color set and that's my criterion for the 30's sets I collect. With the exception of the 36 Goudeys, they are all color sets. Being that close, though, I'd be tempted to stay with the Leafs. You never know when that "bargain" will show up. On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:41:12 EST, brockhattox@cs.com wrote : > I apologize for breaking into the recent flow of ramblings with a > question -- Is it worth it to try to complete a 1948/49 Leaf set at this > I still need about 28 SP's. Yesterday the following auction was > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2759902337 > This PSA 1 (F-P) Henrich went for $203.51. My 2001 SCD says this card > $300 NM and $90 VG. I have the cards that I thought were the tough ones -- > Joe DiMaggio, Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Warren Spahn, Jackie Robinson, but I > cannot win auctions for the lesser players who are SP's. Some of you > completed this set or are closer to it than I am. With the current > "bubble"(??) prices for SP's, is it worth continuing or should I throw in the towel? I > would guess that the cards I have would go a long way toward allowing me > complete the rest of the sets on my want lists. > Any opinions??? > Thanks, > Brock H. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:30:00 EST Subject: Glasgow Part Deux To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Pub pic #2. Pictured from left: George Hay, Dan Alexander, Lucy Hay, Cindy Alexander, Maureen Codere, Glenn Codere. Folks, this is what OBC is all about! ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:48:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What is OBC? From: Jerry Coker > Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:52:29 -0500 > From: "Bob Donaldson" > Subject: What is OBC? > 4 words "Random acts of kindness". I've a few things in mind. Do you? ;-) Yes, RAOK! :) OBC is a great group of people! I've missed being an active member this year. I'm just now becoming active again. Thank you OBC for being patient with me! OBC is more than about cardboard. Deep down, it is really about people sharing their love of the game of baseball. Isn't that why we are all collecting baseball cards!? :) I guess in my case it is a way for me to remember my youth, when responsibilities were fewer, and playing baseball and collecting cards was such fun. Remembering old friends. Remembering when my dad took me too Candlestick park so I could see Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, and Sandy Koufax before they retired. Back when I could still believe that I would be the next Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle ;) OBC makes that happen. Just wanted to share my thoughts :) PS: I really enjoyed the playoffs this year. It was great to see my Braves there again, even though they didn't make it to the WS.... Watching all the games at Wrigley, Fenway, and the Bronx was great!! Doesn't get much better. Hoping for the same next year, with the Braves playing the Bosox in the WS. Is it April yet :) Jerry Coker ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 22:49:15 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glasgow Part Deux To: GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I am glad to see Maureen was the designated driver with her Diet Coke!!!! ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:58:54 -0600 Subject: New email address To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: ddejong@everestkc.net Hey gang - After almost ten years, I have finally gotten rid of my old AOL account. After a computer crash and problems with the new cable modem, things now seem stable. My new email address is ddejong@everestkc.net. I was having lots of AOl problems at the end, including problems updating my wantlist. I need a new site, so if anyone has any experience/suggestions for any of the free ones I would appreciate it. All I need is a little space to put my wantlist up. So, I really haven't disappeared off the face of the earth, though it may have appeared that way for the past two months. I have been reading all the postings about various issues surrounding what we should or shouldn't be doing as OBCers. I just want to say how much I have appreciated this group over the years. I have benefited so much from this group (and of course I mean more than just cards) that I take a very relaxed attitude in the different preferences and opinions others share. OBC is one debt I won't ever be able to repay! Be well....and how about those Chiefs? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:02:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Scotland Visit To: GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Now isn't this what OBC is all about? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:34:52 EST Subject: I'll Start... ( newbie intro ) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Saw this idea from the Ramblings and thought it was a good idea. So I'll try and shine some light to an inroduction. Let's see I was born and raised in Cleveland Ohio saw my Indians run through the glory days of the mid70's up until 1985. Went to the navy for 6 years and came back to Cleveland in 1991. I collected as a kid and I remember having close to the 73 set up to the 1980 sets. Mom wanted them out so into the trash they went. Currently I am about an hour and half outside of Cleveland down south of Canton. Married to Christina who is from Germany and our three kids, Kayleigh 8 Alex 5 and Micah born this past May. I work for Aramark in Coshocton Ohio as a Clinical Equipment Manager (fix hospital medical equipment) and ref High School soccer from August til November. Christina is a group owner for a couple of groups that involve ladies from Germany married to Americans. I restarted collecting 5 years ago, when I saw some cards sitting around in a flea market and I have tons of questions about the cards themselves. Thanks to Chris Stufflestreeet for many answers through his web sites. I joined OBC to pass on my dupes and help others in there quest for completing sets as I have now gone from having a collection from my birth year (1967) to current and pass it on to Alex and Micah, to having much broader goals. Through the waiver wire I have started a 1966, 1965 and 1962 set. Soon I will be starting a 1954 set. (2004 goal maybe??). Finally through marriges I am proud to have met and known both Phil Cavarretta and Billy Consolo. I haven't picked a HOM nominee for myself but will have both players added soon to my "type card". Hope you all see this Ramble as an opprotunity and not something other then that. John Leroux a new card to someone is just a stamp away My Baseball Collecting Page ================= To: "brockhattox@cs.com" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-controversial ramble -- 1948/49 Leaf set Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:56:47 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Brock -- You might as well stick with it - if it was easy, it wouldn't be fun!! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/27/2003 5:41:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-controversial ramble -- 1948/49 Leaf set I apologize for breaking into the recent flow of ramblings with a simplistic question -- Is it worth it to try to complete a 1948/49 Leaf set at this time? I still need about 28 SP's. Yesterday the following auction was completed: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2759902337 This PSA 1 (F-P) Henrich went for $203.51. My 2001 SCD says this card is $300 NM and $90 VG. I have the cards that I thought were the tough ones -- Joe DiMaggio, Babe Ruth, Stan Musial, Warren Spahn, Jackie Robinson, but I cannot win auctions for the lesser players who are SP's. Some of you have completed this set or are closer to it than I am. With the current "bubble"(??) prices for SP's, is it worth continuing or should I throw in the towel? I would guess that the cards I have would go a long way toward allowing me to complete the rest of the sets on my want lists. Any opinions??? Brock H. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:02:56 EST Subject: Great guess Brock To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Glenn doesn't drive. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:09:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Scotland Visit To: ChicoD1@aol.com, GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Yes it is! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 21:28:13 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet Bama finally and drink sweet tea. But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my new assignment: 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with something out of my dupes box. 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about you instead. 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit the Top Three (or some three if you can't). 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I look for a house. So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with me next year!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 02:08:10 EST Subject: How are our Southern California Friends? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Has anyone heard from our our Southern California friends? The news about the fires in Southern California is not good! How are you folks? Please let us know! I will do anything in my power to help! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 03:45:21 EST Subject: A very brief thought To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I would like to weigh in briefly as one of the earliest members of OBC. I hope you all read what Kent's wife said to him. I think she is right on I love waiver wire offerings, availables, etc. I think those methods just help cards to fly and add to the friendship oil that lubricates the warmth I have always loved in OBC. Random acts of kindness is a wonderful way to look at OBC and I think the great variety of vehicles for those random acts only helps to keep the spirit alive. Let us always continue to be kind and flexible with one another. Otherwise, we will lose the wonderful thing we have. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 04:30:48 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I'll Start... ( newbie intro ) To: Trufan999@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I have a > Phil Cavarretta autographed baseball in my relatively small > collection of balls. He was a true hero of Cubs fans during the 40's. > Thanks for your info. I was going to 20 Indians games a year during the > 80's and did not consider them to be "glory years", although they did have > interesting players like Joe Charbeneau (Rookie of the Year), Andy Thornton, > Rick Sutcliffe, and Julio Franco. I remember the years when they were losing > 100 games and it was so cold in April, May, and September in that lakefront > stadium. Some nights, I would be one of about 300 fans in attendance. > Brock ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500 (EST) To: illini90@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: Originaleek@webtv.net My pick is Ray Luurs in Johnstown, Colorado. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:03:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Has anyone heard from Linda? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Collins Has anyone heard from Linda Fitak lately? I remember sometime back a post saying that she no longer had access to a computer, but that was some time ago. Just wondering if anyone perhaps in the California OBC chapter has heard anything -- I know Linda's husband Tim isn't in the best of health and all of this has me a little worried. I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= To: "tply@aol.com" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:19:21 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Trips -- I can speak for myself - sand doesn't burn, so we are fine! Kit lives over by San Bernadino, but he sent out an email yesterday... ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/27/2003 11:08:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? Has anyone heard from our our Southern California friends? The news about the fires in Southern California is not good! How are you folks? Please let us know! I will do anything in my power to help! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:19:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Experts? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet I received an email yesterday through my website about some uncut sheets of 1935 Goudey cards: "Hi. I have 3 uncut sheets of the Goudey baseball cards. They are from the 1935 series and the puzzles on the back are 1] Detroit tigers. American League Champions, Frankie Frisch, and Chuck Klein. They are all in very good conditon with a slight crease and they all have the red border. I was wondering if you had any idea of what the value of these cards are? If so can you reply to me?" Upon further prodding, he gave me this additional "What I have are uncut sheets of the picture that the puzzle pieces make up. They are complete without any separations. The individual players i.e. Frankie Frisch has a total of 24 of the small individual players on the back including Ruth on the Braves." I would really be interested in finding out more about these if anybody knows an answer. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:14:28 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I'll take a guess Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! OBCers -- I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet Bama finally and drink sweet tea. But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my new assignment: 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with something out of my dupes box. 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about you instead. 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit the Top Three (or some three if you can't). 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I look for a house. So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with me next year!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:42:01 -0800 From: "terry ellis" my guess is me, geno will be staying at edwards, kit okamuro ================= To: Subject: OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:44:12 -0800 From: "terry ellis" im fine, the fire is still quite a bit away, although the kids hope it reaches the school, besides I live on a lake, kit okamuro ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: something for you phillie fans Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:34:26 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Buy a pair of seats from the Vet https://secure.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/ticketing/vet_seats_form.jsp ================= To: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:43:10 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net I am guessing either Andy Cook or Steve Rittenberg. I figure you will be based out of Andrews AFB and be one of Air Force One's pilots. peter mead > Geno: > I'll take a guess > Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base > Erik > -----Original Message----- > From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! > OBCers -- > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > Take Care, Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:36:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: "larrygersh" I guess myself if your are stationed at Wright-Patt in Dayton. That's about 40 miles north of me. Nancy & I are empty nesters as of a couple of months ago, so we have the room. > OBCers -- > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > Take Care, Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@e... ================= To: brockhattox@cs.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glasgow Part Deux Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:08:06 +0000 From: Glenn A word of advice, Brock.....Maureen would have your fingers off if you tried to lift that "Diet Coke" away. It also contained a generous measure of her tipple of choice, Tia Maria. We only live about 2 to 3 miles away from the downtown area, so whenever we arrange to meet up with friends, the car gets left at home and we use either public transport or taxis. Besides, as Trader Doug pointed out, I don't drive! I've always lived in places where public transport is a way of lfe, so I've never had the occasion to actually learn. ============================================================ From: brockhattox@cs.com Date: 2003/10/28 Tue AM 03:49:15 GMT To: GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glasgow Part Deux I am glad to see Maureen was the designated driver with her Diet Coke!!!! ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:05:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! To: greenwood@integrity.com, illini90@earthlink.net, From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi Geno... I'm really, really hoping that it might be Offutt Air Force Base here in Omaha, where you could be part of the Strategic Air Command! Would be happy to babysit kids, help find housing, and help with the drive to Wrigley! Take care, In a message dated 10/28/03 1:22:44 PM, greenwood@integrity.com writes: << 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I look for a house. >> ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:53:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Glasgow Part Deux From: "Joe Isaac" To quote a line from Mitch Albom, "Is it me or is it everyone else?" I can't see the pics that George recently posted. Does yahoo groups not allow pics anymore? --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, GHAY1@a... wrote: > Pub pic #2. Pictured from left: George Hay, Dan Alexander, Lucy Hay, Cindy > Alexander, Maureen Codere, Glenn Codere. Folks, this is what OBC is all about! > George ================= To: Subject: Tinker to Evers to Chance Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:29:23 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Okay, Diamanti to Rainsley to Ramblings..... Have sent this to Ramblings twice, both times bounced back. Willyou cut and paste it and sent it for me? Thanks......Another OBC Flap thanks to Dough from Oregon! Whaddaguy..... Latest OBC Flap - What is OBC?! Well Gals and Guys: When I receive 25 msgs. from Ramblings in one day, I know some stuff is happening, and like many of the other members, I feel a need to comment, because a good Ramblings helps me put things in perspective and articulate what I am feeling and thinking. OBC is and always will be, the people. Years ago when Lynn Miller went inactive I nearly lost my mind (it doesn't take much, but I also quickly get it back, so don't worry......). Eventually, I had to respect his decision, even though I didn't like it. Eventually Lynn rejoined the group - all Lynn's actions were his choices, based on what he needed to do. When Trips went inactive, as well as other members I have known over time in the recent past, I often feel a pang of loss and what can I do to keep them around, how can they do this to me, etc. etc. I have some observations about why some of us go inactive, and why things happen in our group, and what I think can help us in managing these things. When I joined OBC it was after months of thinking about it because, like Groucho Marx ("I won't join any club that would have me as a member!") I've never been a "joiner" or member of a club. But as I was getting older a few years ago (I don't get 'older' now - just 'wiser') I wanted some kind of a fellowship, friendship thing - and at the same time I was becoming an Ebay person - hunting for old cardboard and other things of value. My reluctance to join was because I liked cards in EX or better condition. That changed over time, but I still, for my personal collection, prefer nicer cards when they are stars. OBC members have sent me star cards over the years, but never better than VG/EX and that is fine and wonderful - it just isn't going to be the same as when I buy an EX card. To participate in the cardboard part of OBC, I started 'OBC' sets and continue to work on them as well as selling cards on Ebay to gain funds that enable me to buy the nicer cards I crave. My point? As an OBC member - take what you want from the group, and don't feel guilty about anything else. ALL of US are extremely busy, leading complicated lives in which many, many things happen to us, around us, and within us. If you are in this group, you know it is more fun to give than receive. Follow the directives about UV and other matters, and if you don't understand something just ask. There is always good direction in this group. I do not agree with people going inactive because they are unable to stay in touch enough, or send out enough cards, or keep up enough, etc. etc. Guilt is guilt and it acts like battery acid, corroding good deeds and thoughts. If you send out cards to people periodically, when you can afford it and when you feel like it, as far as I am concerned, you are an OBCer. If you are an OBC dealer and you don't send out cards, but cut customers slack when they buy cards from you, you are an OBCer. Frequency and timing are up to you and have nothing to do with your standing as an OBCer. My final point is about a sort of unwritten directive that influences what we post in Ramblings and often how we act around each other. The unwritten directive is that OBC is about baseball, old cards, and things relating to baseball and baseball-related objects (I guess love of sports goes along with this). The Ramblings and Thanks and Wantlist servers are not places to spout your opinions about religion, politics, or other controversial topics. This is mainly respected and observed by nearly all members nearly all the time. This is important to our group because our group is about * SUPPORT* of each other regardless of: religion, politics, creed, color, type of morality, job, age, or any other way human beings can discriminate against each other. Our support for each other is based on -- life is hard, tough things happen to all of us, and it is GOOD to know other people care, no matter the religion, politics, creed, color, etc. etc. On the other side of the coin, what I personally find lacking in OBC often times, is the sharing of information when people are having it rough. It is easier to give support when you have the info - I get a lot out of OBC based on understanding what my fellow OBCers are going through and when I can offer any kind of help by phone or e-mail or in person, or even in the form of old cardboard. How many times have you read about a member getting a break from personal hell by checking the Ramblings or getting a pkg. in the mail?! Thousands of times, all year long. That old cliche, BEING THERE FOR ME, is really what OBC is about - through the cardboard, through meeting each other at shows, through personal contact by phone, e-mail, gifts of cardboard. The rest is just a bunch of hooey, as far as I am concerned. So my advice is this - - IF you need some relief, contact members of this group for support in ANY way you feel comfortable - through postings on the servers, through phone calls or e-mails, in person, WHATEVER, but use the group for help and the group will help you. I've seen it and experienced it - - it happens and it works. Thanks for reading, and yes, my mind has returned - refreshed thanks to OBC and two large cups of coffee..... Mike Diohmawnti ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:56:13 GMT To: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? From: Peter Things are fine at the moment in Northridge - Just a bit smoky - smoke is even worse in Ventura County where I work (where I am now) - also with the MTA Mechanics strike and the freeway closures you can add 50 to 100% to every drive time you estimate. I have to go out of town on business for three days tonight - Sounds like the flights are all back on track after a bad couple of days so I should get out and back OK. I showed Denice where the T205 binder, Dodgers binders, 53, 63, 64 Topps set binders and various '53/Horizontal/Mungo binders are so she could take them along in case we were evacuated when I was gone. I decided to leave the '62 binder behind - I figured I could get a "smoke tint" variation going with those and maybe start Grant on another 'wild card chase...' The fire is pretty close in one sense - Porter Ranch (about 5 miles as the crow flies) - but there are a lot of fire fighters positioned to stop it at the 118 freeway (God bless them and their work). Thanks for the thoughts and concern. I am hoping for the many people who are in the middle of the fire-storms that this all ends soon. We need cooler weather and no wind... The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:37:04 EST Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dcbbl@aol.com Gotta guess there is a NEACP in your future ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Has anyone heard from Linda? To: John Collins , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Terry Dietrick I sent her some cardboard about 3 weeks ago and haven't heard from her. I too hope all is well. Perhaps someone should call her to say hello and tell her we were all concerned. Bob D., didn't you have contact with her before? I also want to wish the best to all our Southern California crew. John Collins wrote: Has anyone heard from Linda Fitak lately? I remember sometime back a post saying that she no longer had access to a computer, but that was some time ago. Just wondering if anyone perhaps in the California OBC chapter has heard anything -- I know Linda's husband Tim isn't in the best of health and all of this has me a little worried. I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Shame From: digdugdig@webtv.net Nothing can be said...no words, explanations or excuses that will repair the damage and heal the wounds that my recent deplorable, insensitive actions have caused. There's just no excuse, none, for that terrible garbage that I passed along Sunday night. My deepest, sincere apologies go out to each and everyone of you...and I know that this will not make everything "hunky dunky" but ... Again, my sincere apology to all of you, ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: interesting item on ebay Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:01:48 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" anyone familure with this book? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item3561079232&category29223 ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:29:55 -0700 From: "Marshall West" ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:00:31 +0800 To: OBC-ramblings Subject: "Uncle" From: Lynn Miller On the topic of posting availables. I will concur that a number of good reasons have been offered why this is a good thing. It just seemed there is much, much more of it now than there was in the past and I thought I was starting to see a trend develop. I would hate to see us migrate to this totally though and forget the "RAOK". I too have a lot of cards that I haven't been able to find homes for. It's tough when new guys and gals come aboard and don't need any 70's commons ;-) My solution. Save them for the next Rick auction =-O That's my idea of an "availables" list. Take care all, Lynn ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:38:33 EST Subject: ...so, did I miss anything? To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com I thought something was peculiar. I hadn't gotten my daily digest version ofRamblings or thanks in a couple days. I figured it's a glitch with AOL or something. Then this morning, 50 messages show up in my inbox in the form of two digests. (Apparently I don't get the regular server messages, just the 'emergency 25 message purge' when there's a lot of activity). I just got back from a long surf on the Yahoo! webpage trying to fill in the holes and I'm guessing that I haven't gotten any messages for at least a week - and I still haven't gotten any thanks messages yet. So here's my digest version on what's been going on here and things from the last 150 or so Ramblings messages... ...I will be unable to attend the shows in Cleveland, Chantilly, and Toronto (at least the ones I haven't already missed). I will however, be going to the Wilmington show this weekend - at least on Friday and Saturday. Sunday is questionable due to football, basketball and possibly softball and whatever else I can cram into my schedule between work and sleep. ...Grant should take that burn pile and surround the house with it before burning it, thereby preventing any future mishaps on that cursed island. On the other hand, the entertainment value we're all getting out of it is definitely worth it (probably because I don't have to pay for his family's hospital ...I was rolling on the floor laughing at the top ten phone messages article. Thanks to whoever passed it along. ...I can't believe Guru bid $15 for a card that wasn't Mickey Mantle. Obviously the seller read Guru's Price Guide to determine that Larry overpaid for the card. Reminded me of the time I had to convince a seller to let me buy a tipton mint 53BC Eddie Mathews for less than $10 - "No really, I'll pay 5% of book. You don't have to feel guilty about overcharging me because of the ...I secretly want Brock to discontinue his 48-49 Leaf set, but only if he'll sell me the SP's I still need for cheap ...I missed out on the pics from George Hay's trip. Yahoo! won't store the files any longer and there's no attachments allowed in the digest form (when I even get it) ...I'm going to guess that Geno becomes the first OBC'er from Idaho, so would that make Todd Knowles the closest one to him? ...While it saddened me to see Trips and David K go inactive, I did get their announcements when they sent them. I was completely taken by surprise by the e-mail from my friend to the north, Jim Hatch. I'm at a loss for words. ...I haven't updated anyone on the auction in way too long, so here it is: This auction will never end. OK, at least it seems that way. I have a couple lots left over from the leftovers that haven't been paid for - plus a couple I FOUND while sorting through the stuff to relist that never got paid for. One is a 1968 Topps starter set that I have addressed and ready to go as soon as I get the money order (which I was e-mailed about)... I've been waiting two monts for it. The other box has about 8 lots from the same bidder who dropped off the face of the Earth. Then there's the guy that got kicked off eBay all together The good news from all this is that we're at $5022 as soon as the last two lots get paid for. Both unpaid lots are the only two basketball lots I listed - is there something about people who collect basketball cards? Don't answer that. Anyway, I hope to add the Paypal money from Doug to what I've collected and get it all into the Ian and Casey Fund by Thanksgiving. ...I really need to get to bed soon. The 90 minutes I got this morning isn't going to cut it. ...It seems we get into these 'much ado about nothing' modes every couple months or so. I still have a couple e-mails from March of this year when the hoopla over 'trades' flared up last. Basically, the group boils down to this: "Give what you can and give thanks for what you get." and (in my best Clint Eastwood voice): "Go ahead, let me make your day." ...I have been thinking about going on the inactive list for quite some time myself - mostly because the level of activity I've showed has paled in comparison to what I would consider active. Running the auction gave me a great chance to actually DO something with the dupes I've got sitting here by adding them to the lots. It also made me take a look at the lists (something I've failed to do even occasionally) of a few guys who ended up winning the lots I posted, so I could at least try to add extras. I probably won't ever go inactive, but it's probably because I'm too lazy to type up an e-mail requesting it. Does that count? ...I don't know why, but it bothered me when I saw "Thanks Ken!" or "Thanks Kent M!"(sic) in my thanks digest (when I used to get them) and it didn't refer to me (no offense to Mssrs. Goetsch and Montgomery) It seemed every time I read the thanks server, I'd inevitably be reminded of how much I WASN'T sending out. My thank you notes and ramblings messages seemed to have become few and far between. I even think one of my last thank you notes was lost in cyberspace. I SWORE I typed it up, but there wasn't even a record of it in my outbox. ...While I'm on it, thanks to Lynn Miller for providing the cards to fill four empty spaces in my 1969 Topps binder. I don't think I've sent Lynn a single card since he moved to the Phillipines, yet I have dozens of envelopes from him - or at least it seems like that. THANKS LYNN! ...OK, I've bored you all long enough and there's 200 cases of yogurt and cheese that require my attention later this evening. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:04:58 -0500 (EST) To: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Shame From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: digdugdig@webtv.net Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Shame ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:25:59 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Topps Basketball & Hockey From: Jerry Coker I'm giving some thought to adding one basketball and one hockey set to my wantlist....Eeegads! :) It would be sets in the late 60's early 70's. The years I went to, and, watched the games on TV (Nate Thurmond, Rick Barry, Jeff Mullins, Wilt the Stilt, Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito, Wayne Cashman...those years ;) I'm just now beginning to research these sets, so I wanted to ask those of you that are collecting basketball and hockey cards a couple questions. You can reply off list if this non-baseball question is not appropriate for the Ramblings list. Sorry I'm posting this to the list, but after I began going thru the OBC directory and seeing who is collecting basketball and hockey I realized that there may be some people who just didn't put it in their directory description. Anyway...here are my questions: 1) Is the 69-70 basketball set a whole lot tougher to complete than the 70-71 and/or 71-72? I've got a few cards for all three sets already, and I really like the look of the 69-70 cards the best. Plus, it is only a 99 card set. Unfortunatetly, it appears to have a lot of tough RC's, including Lew. Is it real tough to get beaters of all those stars and rookies off eBay? I guess I'm trying to get a feel for how scare those star/rookies really are for the 69-70 set, particularly in relation to baseball cards. I haven't bought a basketball or hockey card since I was 10 years old :) 2) Is there a good website(s) where I can look at and compare the Topps and OPC hockey cards? Is there an OPC hockey set that really stands out from the Topps sets for the 69 thru 72 years? I like quality photo's and stats on the back. I have no hockey price guide, and I'm too cheap right now to buy a "Buckett" hockey guide. Thought maybe I could get around that by researching the hockey sets over the web first. But googling hasn't turned up anything real good yet. If not, maybe I'll mosey on over to one of our local bookstores and flip thru a hockey guide, if I can find one. Hockey ain't too big round' here yet. This here is *Dawg* country. Particularly right now ;) Any thoughts/advice appreciated. Thanks! PS: I can't send this w/o adding a baseball diddy to the email. When I was about 10 years old my Dad took my cub-scout troup to a SF Giants game. It was bat day. I still have my Willie McCovey bat, BTW. Anyway, it was just my Dad and about fifteen 10 year olds with bats in our hands. My Dad said we enjoyed the game a lot. Particularly hitting each other with are brand new bats :) He also said around the seventh inning he finally had to move all of us to the right field upper deck seats where not many were sitting because he feared he'd have a lawsuit on his hands if one of us accidently hit some old lady with a bat :) Needless to say, I take good care of my Dad now. Because the Giants were playing the Braves that day, and Hammerin Hank was in the lineup. My first glimpse of Aaron. Jerry Coker ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:34:24 -0500 To: Joe Isaac Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Glasgow Part Deux From: Mark S Talbot i got 'em. Are you receiving a digest? The digest does not allow attachments. BE WELL!!

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To quote a line from Mitch Albom, "Is it me or is it everyone else?"
I can't see the pics that George recently posted. Does yahoo not allow pics anymore? --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, GHAY1@a... wrote: > Pub pic #2. Pictured from left: George Hay, Dan Alexander, Hay, Cindy > Alexander, Maureen Codere, Glenn Codere. Folks, this is what OBC is all about! > George To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:27:40 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com I left my SoCal family and home on Monday for a week of work in New Orleans (which is where I know sit). The flight along the fires was humbling. This was mainly because the size of the flames now had a reference point (homes). 2 pm last Saturday night after a Halloween party, we stopped on a ridge with a great vantage point of the flames. VERY large flames - scary. My home came close to buring down in a 2001 forest fire, so most of the heavy fuel around my neighborhood is gone. I had to evacuate my home in 2001 and all I took was family photos and a few cherished cards - nothing else seemed to matter. However, my good fiend lost his home in Simi Valley last night and my parents-in-law in San Diego are on a pessimistic path. It is good news to the majority of California that the strong Santa Ana (western blowing) winds have ended, which now allows for the light onshore (eastern blowing) flow. This is good for most, but this will also cause the fire to turn towards parts of my town... worst case scenario - my home. I am optomisitc though. I speak to my wife constantly and she said she has no idea where the fire is because the smoke is so think that you cannot see the surrounding hills. Josh probalby has a better feel for what is going on since he works in my wife's same school district. See Rick, this is what OBC is about... sharing cardboard and life experiences. In a message dated 10/27/2003 11:11:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, tply@aol.com Has anyone heard from our our Southern California friends? The news about the fires in Southern California is not good! How are you folks? Please let us know! I will do anything in my power to help! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:43:27 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? To: Sweendoger@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I wish you and your family well! Please let us know if we can do anything to help, keep us posted. You are welcome at my home here in Northern California if things get out of hand for your family. ================= To: Subject: so cal Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:53:28 -0800 From: "terry ellis" its getting closer, thanksgiving and the fire. my neighbors girls school isclosed. still has a ways to go, but tumbleweeds burn fast and 25 miles could be nothing. keep you posted, kit ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Shame Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:52:09 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" "hunky dunky"?? Isn't that "hunky doorey"? Whichever it is, it is, if you follow. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 4:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Shame > Nothing can be said...no words, explanations or excuses that will repair > the damage and heal the wounds that my recent deplorable, insensitive > actions have caused. > There's just no excuse, none, for that terrible garbage that I passed > along Sunday night. > My deepest, sincere apologies go out to each and everyone of you...and I > know that this will not make everything "hunky dunky" but ... > Again, my sincere apology to all of you, > Doug > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:20:15 EST Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Geno and all others, Apologies to Gersh & others, but if Geno ends up at Wright-Patt, I'll win the "closest" contest hands down; WPAFB is less than 10 minutes from my place & I pass it twice a day. So Geno, my friend, if you end up "landing" (pun intended) here, you are more than welcome in my home any time - that is, if you can deal with a hyperactive schnauzer. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 22:50:49 EST Subject: Our Biennial Problems To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com I think biennial means "every two years" and that's about how often we seem to have these OBC crises. This is the fourth or fifth one that I can recall.... I have been in OBC for 11 years now and have pretty mcuh seen it all. I have made trades for certain key cards (a '49 Snider rookie), sent out keys off wantlists (a '69 reggie jackson rookie is one i recall), seen literally thousands of commons come and go, and had many binders filled and wantlists closed off. I have met OBC'ers at shows in Ft. Washington and Atlantic City, visited a couple of times with St. Al in Seattle and spent time with Glenn Codere in Glasgow (that CD is coming Glenn!). I still haven't hooked up with my local LI OBC'ers for various reasons mostly to do with my insane schedule and I haven't sent out cards in a while but I still consider myself an OBC'er, as do all of us on this list, inactive or not. It's good to have occassional debates about the direction of the group and hopefully they don't piss people off and cause them to leave, although that has happened. The point is, I think OBC works on many levels and means different things to different people. If you want to trade, trade. UV cards? Have Carlos set you up. Want to post waiver wire deals? Fine. And you can always troll the wantlists and mail a few cards out. To me OBC comes down to trust. I know I can rely on you guys not to screw me and I hope you feel the same about yours truly. I know I can go to Scotland and meet up with some crazy Bobby Thomson fan and not get chained up in a basement and fed dog food by some wacko instead. I can crash with someone in Ft. Washington and not have to worry about anything if I don't want to drive home that night. All of this is the "OBC Spirit" as are Random Acts of Kindness and Charity Auctions and the Xmas Card Swap to name a few of the many things that are great about this group. It's all supposed to be fun. A hobby is something that lets you forget about the real world for a few hours each week. Don't forget that and it will all be fine. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 910 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:07:34 -0500 From: "GEORGE MOORE" I will guess Langley,VA -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 8:38 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 910 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: There are 25 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: Originaleek@webtv.net 2. Has anyone heard from Linda? From: John Collins 3. RE: How are our Southern California Friends? From: "Geno Wagner" 4. Experts? From: Chris Stufflestreet 5. RE: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" 6. OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: "terry ellis" 7. OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? From: "terry ellis" 8. something for you phillie fans From: "Bob Donaldson" 9. RE: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: hoot-owl@comcast.net 10. Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: "larrygersh" 11. Re: Re: Glasgow Part Deux From: Glenn 12. Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: XTrJmx@aol.com 13. Re: Glasgow Part Deux From: "Joe Isaac" 14. Tinker to Evers to Chance From: "Grant Rainsley" 15. Re: How are our Southern California Friends? From: Peter 16. Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: dcbbl@aol.com 17. Re: Has anyone heard from Linda? From: Terry Dietrick 18. Shame From: digdugdig@webtv.net 19. interesting item on ebay From: "Bob Donaldson" 20. Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: "Marshall West" 21. "Uncle" From: Lynn Miller 22. ...so, did I miss anything? From: cardclctor@aol.com 23. Re: Shame From: Originaleek@webtv.net 24. Topps Basketball & Hockey From: Jerry Coker 25. Re: Re: Glasgow Part Deux From: Mark S Talbot Message: 1 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 06:55:46 -0500 (EST) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! My pick is Ray Luurs in Johnstown, Colorado. We keep what we give away! Message: 2 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:03:12 -0800 (PST) From: John Collins Subject: Has anyone heard from Linda? Has anyone heard from Linda Fitak lately? I remember sometime back a post saying that she no longer had access to a computer, but that was some time ago. Just wondering if anyone perhaps in the California OBC chapter has heard anything -- I know Linda's husband Tim isn't in the best of health and all of this has me a little worried. I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:19:21 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Subject: RE: How are our Southern California Friends? Trips -- I can speak for myself - sand doesn't burn, so we are fine! Kit lives over by San Bernadino, but he sent out an email yesterday... ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/27/2003 11:08:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? Has anyone heard from our our Southern California friends? The news about the fires in Southern California is not good! How are you folks? Please let us know! I will do anything in my power to help! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Message: 4 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:19:41 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Experts? I received an email yesterday through my website about some uncut sheets of 1935 Goudey cards: "Hi. I have 3 uncut sheets of the Goudey baseball cards. They are from the 1935 series and the puzzles on the back are 1] Detroit tigers. American League Champions, Frankie Frisch, and Chuck Klein. They are all in very good conditon with a slight crease and they all have the red border. I was wondering if you had any idea of what the value of these cards are? If so can you reply to me?" Upon further prodding, he gave me this additional "What I have are uncut sheets of the picture that the puzzle pieces make up. They are complete without any separations. The individual players i.e. Frankie Frisch has a total of 24 of the small individual players on the back including Ruth on the Braves." I would really be interested in finding out more about these if anybody knows an answer. Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:14:28 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! I'll take a guess Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! OBCers -- I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet Bama finally and drink sweet tea. But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my new assignment: 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with something out of my dupes box. 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about you instead. 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit the Top Three (or some three if you can't). 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I look for a house. So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with me next year!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:42:01 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! my guess is me, geno will be staying at edwards, kit okamuro [This message contained attachments] Message: 7 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 05:44:12 -0800 From: "terry ellis" Subject: OBC-Ramblings] How are our Southern California Friends? im fine, the fire is still quite a bit away, although the kids hope it reaches the school, besides I live on a lake, kit okamuro [This message contained attachments] Message: 8 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 09:34:26 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: something for you phillie fans Buy a pair of seats from the Vet https://secure.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/ticketing/vet_seats_form.jsp [This message contained attachments] Message: 9 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:43:10 +0000 From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Subject: RE: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! I am guessing either Andy Cook or Steve Rittenberg. I figure you will be based out of Andrews AFB and be one of Air Force One's pilots. peter mead > Geno: > I'll take a guess > Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base > Erik > -----Original Message----- > From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! > OBCers -- > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > Take Care, Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:36:13 -0000 From: "larrygersh" Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! I guess myself if your are stationed at Wright-Patt in Dayton. That's about 40 miles north of me. Nancy & I are empty nesters as of a couple of months ago, so we have the room. > OBCers -- > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > Take Care, Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@e... Message: 11 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:08:06 +0000 From: Glenn Subject: Re: Re: Glasgow Part Deux A word of advice, Brock.....Maureen would have your fingers off if you tried to lift that "Diet Coke" away. It also contained a generous measure of her tipple of choice, Tia Maria. We only live about 2 to 3 miles away from the downtown area, so whenever we arrange to meet up with friends, the car gets left at home and we use either public transport or taxis. Besides, as Trader Doug pointed out, I don't drive! I've always lived in places where public transport is a way of lfe, so I've never had the occasion to actually learn. ============================================================ From: brockhattox@cs.com Date: 2003/10/28 Tue AM 03:49:15 GMT To: GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glasgow Part Deux I am glad to see Maureen was the designated driver with her Diet Coke!!!! ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ [This message contained attachments] Message: 12 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 12:05:57 EST From: XTrJmx@aol.com Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Hi Geno... I'm really, really hoping that it might be Offutt Air Force Base here in Omaha, where you could be part of the Strategic Air Command! Would happy to babysit kids, help find housing, and help with the drive to Take care, In a message dated 10/28/03 1:22:44 PM, greenwood@integrity.com writes: << 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while look for a house. >> Message: 13 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:53:41 -0000 From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: Re: Glasgow Part Deux To quote a line from Mitch Albom, "Is it me or is it everyone else?" I can't see the pics that George recently posted. Does yahoo groups not allow pics anymore? --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, GHAY1@a... wrote: > Pub pic #2. Pictured from left: George Hay, Dan Alexander, Lucy Hay, Cindy > Alexander, Maureen Codere, Glenn Codere. Folks, this is what OBC is all about! > George Message: 14 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:29:23 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Tinker to Evers to Chance Okay, Diamanti to Rainsley to Ramblings..... Have sent this to Ramblings twice, both times bounced back. Willyou cut and paste it and sent it for me? Thanks......Another OBC Flap thanks to Dough from Oregon! Whaddaguy..... Latest OBC Flap - What is OBC?! Well Gals and Guys: When I receive 25 msgs. from Ramblings in one day, I know some stuff is happening, and like many of the other members, I feel a need to comment, because a good Ramblings helps me put things in perspective and articulate what I am feeling and thinking. OBC is and always will be, the people. Years ago when Lynn Miller went inactive I nearly lost my mind (it doesn't take much, but I also quickly get it back, so don't worry......). Eventually, I had to respect his decision, even though I didn't like it. Eventually Lynn rejoined the group - all Lynn's actions were his choices, based on what he needed to do. When Trips went inactive, as well as other members I have known over time in the recent past, I often feel a pang of loss and what can I do to keep them around, how can they do this to me, etc. etc. I have some observations about why some of us go inactive, and why things happen in our group, and what I think can help us in managing these things. When I joined OBC it was after months of thinking about it because, like Groucho Marx ("I won't join any club that would have me as a member!") I've never been a "joiner" or member of a club. But as I was getting older a few years ago (I don't get 'older' now - just 'wiser') I wanted some kind of a fellowship, friendship thing - and at the same time I was becoming an Ebay person - hunting for old cardboard and other things of value. My reluctance to join was because I liked cards in EX or better condition. That changed over time, but I still, for my personal collection, prefer nicer cards when they are stars. OBC members have sent me star cards over the years, but never better than VG/EX and that is fine and wonderful - it just isn't going to be the same as when I buy an EX card. To participate in the cardboard part of OBC, I started 'OBC' sets and continue to work on them as well as selling cards on Ebay to gain funds that enable me to buy the nicer cards I crave. My point? As an OBC member - take what you want from the group, and don't feel guilty about anything else. ALL of US are extremely busy, leading complicated lives in which many, many things happen to us, around us, and within us. If you are in this group, you know it is more fun to give than receive. Follow the directives about UV and other matters, and if you don't understand something just ask. There is always good direction in this group. I do not agree with people going inactive because they are unable to stay in touch enough, or send out enough cards, or keep up enough, etc. etc. Guilt is guilt and it acts like battery acid, corroding good deeds and thoughts. If you send out cards to people periodically, when you can afford it and when you feel like it, as far as I am concerned, you are an OBCer. If you are an OBC dealer and you don't send out cards, but cut customers slack when they buy cards from you, you are an OBCer. Frequency and timing are up to you and have nothing to do with your standing as an OBCer. My final point is about a sort of unwritten directive that influences what we post in Ramblings and often how we act around each other. The unwritten directive is that OBC is about baseball, old cards, and things relating to baseball and baseball-related objects (I guess love of sports goes along with this). The Ramblings and Thanks and Wantlist servers are not places to spout your opinions about religion, politics, or other controversial topics. This is mainly respected and observed by nearly all members nearly all the time. This is important to our group because our group is about * SUPPORT* of each other regardless of: religion, politics, creed, color, type of morality, job, age, or any other way human beings can discriminate against each other. Our support for each other is based on -- life is hard, tough things happen to all of us, and it is GOOD to know other people care, no matter the religion, politics, creed, color, etc. etc. On the other side of the coin, what I personally find lacking in OBC often times, is the sharing of information when people are having it rough. It is easier to give support when you have the info - I get a lot out of OBC based on understanding what my fellow OBCers are going through and when I can offer any kind of help by phone or e-mail or in person, or even in the form of old cardboard. How many times have you read about a member getting a break from personal hell by checking the Ramblings or getting a pkg. in the mail?! Thousands of times, all year long. That old cliche, BEING THERE FOR ME, is really what OBC is about - through the cardboard, through meeting each other at shows, through personal contact by phone, e-mail, gifts of cardboard. The rest is just a bunch of hooey, as far as I am concerned. So my advice is this - - IF you need some relief, contact members of this group for support in ANY way you feel comfortable - through postings on the servers, through phone calls or e-mails, in person, WHATEVER, but use the group for help and the group will help you. I've seen it and experienced it - - it happens and it works. Thanks for reading, and yes, my mind has returned - refreshed thanks to OBC and two large cups of coffee..... Mike Diohmawnti [This message contained attachments] Message: 15 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:56:13 GMT From: Peter Subject: Re: How are our Southern California Friends? Things are fine at the moment in Northridge - Just a bit smoky - smoke is even worse in Ventura County where I work (where I am now) - also with the MTA Mechanics strike and the freeway closures you can add 50 to 100% to every drive time you estimate. I have to go out of town on business for three days tonight - Sounds like the flights are all back on track after a bad couple of days so I should get out and back OK. I showed Denice where the T205 binder, Dodgers binders, 53, 63, 64 Topps set binders and various '53/Horizontal/Mungo binders are so she could take them along in case we were evacuated when I was gone. I decided to leave the '62 binder behind - I figured I could get a "smoke tint" variation going with those and maybe start Grant on another 'wild card chase...' The fire is pretty close in one sense - Porter Ranch (about 5 miles as the crow flies) - but there are a lot of fire fighters positioned to stop it at the 118 freeway (God bless them and their work). Thanks for the thoughts and concern. I am hoping for the many people who are in the middle of the fire-storms that this all ends soon. We need cooler weather and no wind... The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Message: 16 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:37:04 EST From: dcbbl@aol.com Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Gotta guess there is a NEACP in your future [This message contained attachments] Message: 17 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: Terry Dietrick Subject: Re: Has anyone heard from Linda? I sent her some cardboard about 3 weeks ago and haven't heard from her. I too hope all is well. Perhaps someone should call her to say hello and tell her we were all concerned. Bob D., didn't you have contact with her before? I also want to wish the best to all our Southern California crew. John Collins wrote: Has anyone heard from Linda Fitak lately? I remember sometime back a post saying that she no longer had access to a computer, but that was some time ago. Just wondering if anyone perhaps in the California OBC chapter has heard anything -- I know Linda's husband Tim isn't in the best of health and all of this has me a little worried. I'm an avid collector of pre-1980 Baseball Cards. Check out my online wantlist at: http://www.geocities.com/oldcardboard/index/htm Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [This message contained attachments] Message: 18 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:05:50 -0800 (PST) From: digdugdig@webtv.net Subject: Shame Nothing can be said...no words, explanations or excuses that will repair the damage and heal the wounds that my recent deplorable, insensitive actions have caused. There's just no excuse, none, for that terrible garbage that I passed along Sunday night. My deepest, sincere apologies go out to each and everyone of you...and I know that this will not make everything "hunky dunky" but ... Again, my sincere apology to all of you, Message: 19 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:01:48 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: interesting item on ebay anyone familure with this book? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3561079232&category=29223 [This message contained attachments] Message: 20 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:29:55 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! I guess I'm the new babysitter!! I'm positive Geno's coming to Hill Air Force Base- only one mile north of the West mansion, and a "damn" busy sector on my radar scope every day. Marshall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geno Wagner" To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! > OBCers -- > > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > > Take Care, Geno > > > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. > http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 > http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/QBiolB/TM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Message: 21 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:00:31 +0800 From: Lynn Miller Subject: "Uncle" On the topic of posting availables. I will concur that a number of good reasons have been offered why this is a good thing. It just seemed there is much, much more of it now than there was in the past and I thought I was starting to see a trend develop. I would hate to see us migrate to this totally though and forget the "RAOK". I too have a lot of cards that I haven't been able to find homes for. It's tough when new guys and gals come aboard and don't need any 70's commons ;-) My solution. Save them for the next Rick auction =-O That's my idea of an "availables" list. Take care all, Lynn Message: 22 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:38:33 EST From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: ...so, did I miss anything? I thought something was peculiar. I hadn't gotten my daily digest version ofRamblings or thanks in a couple days. I figured it's a glitch with AOL or something. Then this morning, 50 messages show up in my inbox in the form of digests. (Apparently I don't get the regular server messages, just the 'emergency 25 message purge' when there's a lot of activity). I just got back from a long surf on the Yahoo! webpage trying to fill in the holes and I'm guessing that I haven't gotten any messages for at least a week - and I still haven't gotten any thanks messages yet. So here's my digest version on what's been on here and things from the last 150 or so Ramblings messages... ...I will be unable to attend the shows in Cleveland, Chantilly, and Toronto (at least the ones I haven't already missed). I will however, be going to Wilmington show this weekend - at least on Friday and Saturday. Sunday is questionable due to football, basketball and possibly softball and whatever else I can cram into my schedule between work and sleep. ...Grant should take that burn pile and surround the house with it before burning it, thereby preventing any future mishaps on that cursed island. On other hand, the entertainment value we're all getting out of it is worth it (probably because I don't have to pay for his family's hospital ...I was rolling on the floor laughing at the top ten phone messages Thanks to whoever passed it along. ...I can't believe Guru bid $15 for a card that wasn't Mickey Mantle. Obviously the seller read Guru's Price Guide to determine that Larry overpaid for the card. Reminded me of the time I had to convince a seller to let me buy a tipton mint 53BC Eddie Mathews for less than $10 - "No really, I'll pay 5% book. You don't have to feel guilty about overcharging me because of the ...I secretly want Brock to discontinue his 48-49 Leaf set, but only if sell me the SP's I still need for cheap ...I missed out on the pics from George Hay's trip. Yahoo! won't store the files any longer and there's no attachments allowed in the digest form (when even get it) ...I'm going to guess that Geno becomes the first OBC'er from Idaho, so that make Todd Knowles the closest one to him? ...While it saddened me to see Trips and David K go inactive, I did get announcements when they sent them. I was completely taken by surprise by the e-mail from my friend to the north, Jim Hatch. I'm at a loss for words. ...I haven't updated anyone on the auction in way too long, so here it is: This auction will never end. OK, at least it seems that way. I have a couple lots left over from the leftovers that haven't been paid for - plus a couple FOUND while sorting through the stuff to relist that never got paid for. One a 1968 Topps starter set that I have addressed and ready to go as soon as I get the money order (which I was e-mailed about)... I've been waiting two for it. The other box has about 8 lots from the same bidder who dropped off the face of the Earth. Then there's the guy that got kicked off eBay all together The good news from all this is that we're at $5022 as soon as the last two lots get paid for. Both unpaid lots are the only two basketball lots I listed - is there something about people who collect basketball cards? Don't answer that. Anyway, I hope to add the Paypal money from Doug to what I've collected and get it all into the Ian and Casey Fund by Thanksgiving. ...I really need to get to bed soon. The 90 minutes I got this morning isn't going to cut it. ...It seems we get into these 'much ado about nothing' modes every couple months or so. I still have a couple e-mails from March of this year when the hoopla over 'trades' flared up last. Basically, the group boils down to "Give what you can and give thanks for what you get." and (in my best Clint Eastwood voice): "Go ahead, let me make your day." ...I have been thinking about going on the inactive list for quite some time myself - mostly because the level of activity I've showed has paled in comparison to what I would consider active. Running the auction gave me a chance to actually DO something with the dupes I've got sitting here by adding them to the lots. It also made me take a look at the lists (something I've failed to do even occasionally) of a few guys who ended up winning the lots I so I could at least try to add extras. I probably won't ever go inactive, it's probably because I'm too lazy to type up an e-mail requesting it. Does that count? ...I don't know why, but it bothered me when I saw "Thanks Ken!" or "Thanks Kent M!"(sic) in my thanks digest (when I used to get them) and it didn't to me (no offense to Mssrs. Goetsch and Montgomery) It seemed every time I read the thanks server, I'd inevitably be reminded of how much I WASN'T out. My thank you notes and ramblings messages seemed to have become few and far between. I even think one of my last thank you notes was lost in cyberspace. I SWORE I typed it up, but there wasn't even a record of it in my outbox. ...While I'm on it, thanks to Lynn Miller for providing the cards to fill four empty spaces in my 1969 Topps binder. I don't think I've sent Lynn a card since he moved to the Phillipines, yet I have dozens of envelopes from him - or at least it seems like that. THANKS LYNN! ...OK, I've bored you all long enough and there's 200 cases of yogurt and cheese that require my attention later this evening. TAYL, Ken M Message: 23 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:04:58 -0500 (EST) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: Shame I can't speak for others but, as far as I'm concerned: apology accepted! You are a member of this group. Fellow OBCers sponsored you and supported your membership. That's good enough for me. We are a giving group, perhaps the greatest act of giving is for-giving. We keep what we give away! [This message contained attachments] Message: 24 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:25:59 -0500 From: Jerry Coker Subject: Topps Basketball & Hockey I'm giving some thought to adding one basketball and one hockey set to my wantlist....Eeegads! :) It would be sets in the late 60's early 70's. The years I went to, and, watched the games on TV (Nate Thurmond, Rick Barry, Jeff Mullins, Wilt the Stilt, Bobby Orr, Phil Esposito, Wayne Cashman...those years ;) I'm just now beginning to research these sets, so I wanted to ask those of you that are collecting basketball and hockey cards a couple questions. You can reply off list if this non-baseball question is not appropriate for the Ramblings list. Sorry I'm posting this to the list, but after I began going thru the OBC directory and seeing who is collecting basketball and hockey I realized that there may be some people who just didn't put it in their directory description. Anyway...here are my questions: 1) Is the 69-70 basketball set a whole lot tougher to complete than the 70-71 and/or 71-72? I've got a few cards for all three sets already, and I really like the look of the 69-70 cards the best. Plus, it is only a 99 card set. Unfortunatetly, it appears to have a lot of tough RC's, including Lew. Is it real tough to get beaters of all those stars and rookies off eBay? I guess I'm trying to get a feel for how scare those star/rookies really are for the 69-70 set, particularly in relation to baseball cards. I haven't bought a basketball or hockey card since I was 10 years old :) 2) Is there a good website(s) where I can look at and compare the Topps and OPC hockey cards? Is there an OPC hockey set that really stands out from the Topps sets for the 69 thru 72 years? I like quality photo's and stats on the back. I have no hockey price guide, and I'm too cheap right now to buy a "Buckett" hockey guide. Thought maybe I could get around that by researching the hockey sets over the web first. But googling hasn't turned up anything real good yet. If not, maybe I'll mosey on over to one of our local bookstores and flip thru a hockey guide, if I can find one. Hockey ain't too big round' here yet. This here is *Dawg* country. Particularly right now ;) Any thoughts/advice appreciated. Thanks! PS: I can't send this w/o adding a baseball diddy to the email. When I was about 10 years old my Dad took my cub-scout troup to a SF Giants game. It was bat day. I still have my Willie McCovey bat, BTW. Anyway, it was just my Dad and about fifteen 10 year olds with bats in our hands. My Dad said we enjoyed the game a lot. Particularly hitting each other with are brand new bats :) He also said around the seventh inning he finally had to move all of us to the right field upper deck seats where not many were sitting because he feared he'd have a lawsuit on his hands if one of us accidently hit some old lady with a bat :) Needless to say, I take good care of my Dad now. Because the Giants were playing the Braves that day, and Hammerin Hank was in the lineup. My first glimpse of Aaron. Jerry Coker Message: 25 Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:34:24 -0500 From: Mark S Talbot Subject: Re: Re: Glasgow Part Deux [This message is not in displayable format] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:44:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: eBay OBC lot To: obc ramblings From: Matthew It's a $10 opening bid, but still enough cards to tempt. 57-67, HOF and some keys. If you already have the Kubek, send it to me! :) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2762256815&category=44821&rd=1 Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:44:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Our Biennial Problems To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Well said Dave! THANKS!!!!! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:52:37 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Our Biennial Problems To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well done Dave! And considering I've been here almost as long as you have, can you believe that we haven't met? For all you other OBCers, me and Dave live around 10 miles apart! Maybe we'll catch up in Vegas or Scotland sometime ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 23:53:07 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] so cal To: biglittledogs@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com My offer stands to all OBCer's in Southern California, if you need a place to run to my home is open here in Northern California. I do have a business trip planned on the 10th of November that will keep me away for three weeks, until November 28th. Between now and then feel free to contact me if you need my help. I hope all of you in Southern California will not need the help. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 01:24:00 EST Subject: Geno's landing To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Geno, I can't imagine any exciting assignments in Ft. Worth, but if you do count on the Smith's to watch the kids while you move in. I'm inclined to think Geno's heading for the DC area, but my preference would be Hawaii :-). - ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 06:03:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tknowles@sofast.net Since so many people have already guesses Wright-Pat, and if memory serves, Geno was already stationed there (perks of being an old-timer), I'm going to guess Scott AFB, which would put him right outside Kent Goto's back yard. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:06:10 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 910 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 10/28/03 8:41:32 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << 1) Is the 69-70 basketball set a whole lot tougher to complete than the 70-71 and/or 71-72? I've got a few cards for all three sets already, and I really like the look of the 69-70 cards the best. Plus, it is only a 99 card set. Unfortunatetly, it appears to have a lot of tough RC's, including Lew. Is it real tough to get beaters of all those stars and rookies off eBay? I guess I'm trying to get a feel for how scare those star/rookies really are for the 69-70 set, particularly in relation to baseball cards. I haven't bought a basketball or hockey card since I was 10 years old :) >> As far as I can tell, the 69-70 set is easier to complete, although it's probably more expensive. Once you've found the Alcindor and the checklist, it's pretty much down hill from there. In fact, I've started all three of the sets and the 69-70 is the only one I've finished (I did start it before the other two though). I even had a pretty decent starter set at one point (including a checklist and some of the stars), but I handed it over to Steve Rittenberg as part of our everlasting trade, which neither of us is sure if we're caught up or not. The 70-71 and 71-72 sets on my list haven't really seen much action. The 70-71 set has a bunch of SP's and the 71-72 set is standard size, which means they usually are protected better (and therefore harder to find those tipton stars). That's all I have to say about that. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:57:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Topps Basketball/Hockey - thanks From: Jerry Coker Just a quick thank you to all that replied. I have decided to start the 69-70 Topps Basketball set and the 71-72 Topps Hockey set. Now back to Back in 1991 I bought a bunch of tickets for a late Sept. baseball game at Fulton County Stadium between my beloved Braves and the Houston Astros. I bought the tickets sometime during the mid-summer just hoping that the game might mean something. Well...was I ever in for a surprize. It turned out to be the game that the Braves clinched their first of 12 Division titles! Worst to first!! They were good seats too, and my whole family was there to see it with me, including my parents (my Dad kept score of the game on his scorecard which he gave me after the game)!!! At the end of the game Smoltz jumps in the arms of Olson. The stadium is rockin'. So much so that you could fell the stadium moving under the weight of all the fans stomping and choping. What a game! What a year! Baseball and life at its best!! Jerry Coker ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:15:16 +0800 To: tknowles@sofast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! From: Lynn Miller I agree and believe you've guessed correctly. But I didn't want to use my advantage of being a military guy myself and make the guess. Geno sort of gave it away though. Randolph Scott AFB is big enough for C-131's and would seem to be where one could be in the middle of Cubs and Fighting Illini games :-) But I could be out to lunch as well. Lynn tknowles@sofast.net wrote: >Since so many people have already guesses Wright-Pat, and if memory >serves, Geno was already stationed there (perks of being an old-timer), >I'm going to guess Scott AFB, which would put him right outside Kent >Goto's back yard. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:42:58 EST Subject: Fires To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Well...all our Southern California contingent is probably being affected this week. This is the first day I get to sit down and write a little note. Although my school is one of only 6 open in my entire valley, we are currently safe (north of the fires and up a large hill). I know Peter has been probably dealing with a lot of smoke. The Simi Valley Fire actually started in Val Verde, 2.5 miles from my school and quickly spread south towards Simi Valley (20 miles away!!). The fire is now burning back towards where I live and last night it rained ash and smoke for nearly 12 hours. Today it is still horrible air quality. Eric down in Orange County is probably getting a lot of smoke and ash from the other fires. Kit and Geno might not have gotten a ton of smoke but they have been cut off from the Los Angeles area for awhile now. There seems to be no end in sight. Each night, I lean out on my balcony and watch 10 miles of hills burn. Today the sky is brown orange and sun can not even get through without looking red. It is horrible to breath and everyone is tired and sick. I will keep you all posted but as it stands, unless the firefighters can stop it, it will burn down towards Stevenson Ranch and more homes. If the winds shift, it could reach my apartment in two days. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:46:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] something for you phillie fans To: obcbobd@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com In a message dated 10/28/03 6:38:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, obcbobd@comcast.net writes: > Buy a pair of seats from the Vet > https://secure.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/phi/ticketing/vet_seats_form.jsp Yeah, that is what I want, the most uncomfortable seats from the worst stadium. Heck, I wonder if they still smell like urine and beer. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fires Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:44:07 -0600 (CST) From: greenwood@integrity.com Joshua is right about the smoke and ash. I am located in a sort of four corners area - Los Angeles, Orange, San Bernardino and Riverside counties. We are getting quite a bit of smoke and ash, but, thankfully, not much else in terms of fires. A number of my coworkers have been affected, primarily Claremont and La Verne residents. ================= To: Subject: so cal fires Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:17:12 -0800 From: "terry ellis" well its getting worse. really smokey out my front door. the fire dept mademe leave the wherehouse today. the wind is blowing real hard nowand it is almost knocking me over- I don't walk that well yet. if it gets here and I have to pack my cards, where will I put the kids? ill keep you posted, kit ================= To: Subject: genos new home Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:20:43 -0800 From: "terry ellis" I know 2 places it wont be, thanks to carter. georgeafb or norton ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Available Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:25:45 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Taking my cue from Bama, I have the 97 SCD Volume available. If anyone wants to send a card or two in exchange, it's a great reference for every card older than 1996 for those who don't have one. If nothing else, the price is right! Oh, and Bama, if no one has jumped on one of your two avalable books I'd be glad to take one of em off your hands. Brad Chambers Never get a busy signal because you are always connected with high-speed Internet access. Click here to comparison-shop providers. https://broadband.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 14:18:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Farrell Hello All. I plan on being at the show early friday. noon until about 3ish. Will any of you be there then ? Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote: Greetings all, Just wondering if anyone else besides Bob Donaldson and me are planning on going to this show. For anyone who hasn't been, it's (by far) the best show in New England and it only happens once a year. As has been tradition in recent years, we've had a swap session/luncheon/get-together at noon Saturday in the dining area (enter the Shriner's Auditorium, go left to the food stand, then take another left into the dining area). Last year we even had a flipping contest, much to the horror and puzzlement of some onlookers. Anyhow, my plan is to be there Friday after work (around 5:00) and most of the day Saturday. How 'bout it...who else is going?? Ken? Sean? Spike? Robert P? Bob F? Bob R? Brett? Friar? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? Anyone? Happy Collecting! Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:24:58 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fires To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I can only imagine the smoke in the LA areas. The winds changed last night and Vegas has been inundated with smoke from the fires. My eyes are burning, and I'm a couple of hundred miles from the fires. Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:07:26 EST Subject: (no subject) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Geno's next stop will be Area 51 outside of Vegas. Of course, since the government will not admit to it's existence, he will have to tell us that he is stationed elsewhere. Stranger than truth? I think not. This message has been bounced back to me 3 times..... Rest well, ================= To: "Wite3@aol.com" , TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fires Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:31:52 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" An update from Edwards AFB: We are in a great location to fly year-round since we only get clouds maybe like three days a year. Well today was definitely a change! The visibility is usually reported at 70 miles by our weather shop (that's the max they report, but it's usually higher), but today it was about 1/4 of a mile! My kids have no idea what it's like to not see the sun for a whole day, nor have they ever had the "burning leaves" smell. We are not in danger here, nor are we anywhere near the air quality of the guys down south, but the Postal Service for one has cancelled delivery due to the air. Definitely strange... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- To: TPLY@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/29/2003 8:42:59 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fires Well...all our Southern California contingent is probably being affected this week. This is the first day I get to sit down and write a little note. Although my school is one of only 6 open in my entire valley, we are currently safe (north of the fires and up a large hill). I know Peter has been probably dealing with a lot of smoke. The Simi Valley Fire actually started in Val Verde, 2.5 miles from my school and quickly spread south towards Simi Valley (20 miles away!!). The fire is now burning back towards where I live and last night it rained ash and smoke for nearly 12 hours. Today it is still horrible air quality. Eric down in Orange County is probably getting a lot of smoke and ash from the other fires. Kit and Geno might not have gotten a ton of smoke but they have been cut off from the Los Angeles area for awhile now. There seems to be no end in sight. Each night, I lean out on my balcony and watch 10 miles of hills burn. Today the sky is brown orange and sun can not even get through without looking red. It is horrible to breath and everyone is tired and sick. I will keep you all posted but as it stands, unless the firefighters can stop it, it will burn down towards Stevenson Ranch and more homes. If the winds shift, it could reach my apartment in two days. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Keep guessing! Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:36:13 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- The guesses have been pouring in! Ah, I love a good mystery! I'll shut off the contest tomorrow night, so guess which OBCer is going to be my new Here's the original message if you missed it: OBCers -- I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet Bama finally and drink sweet tea. But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my new assignment: 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with something out of my dupes box. 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about you instead. 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit the Top Three (or some three if you can't). 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I look for a house. So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with me next year!! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:00:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Keep guessing! To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com I guess Andrews AFB and it would be Steve Rittenberg, Mac and me. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:27:35 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" It looks like about 5pm Friday is the only time I will be able to get there, if then... :( Have any of you guys ever gone on Friday night? the hours are 5-7.... will all the dealers be there until 7pm? Or, do they start packing up at 6ish? ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Farrell To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) show next weekend Hello All. I plan on being at the show early friday. noon until about 3ish. Will any of you be there then ? Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote: Greetings all, Just wondering if anyone else besides Bob Donaldson and me are planningon going to this show. For anyone who hasn't been, it's (by far) the bestshow in New England and it only happens once a year. As has been tradition in recent years, we've had a swap session/luncheon/get-together at noon Saturday in the dining area (enter the Shriner's Auditorium, go left to the food stand, then take another left into the dining area). Last year we even had a flipping contest, much to the horror and puzzlement of some onlookers. Anyhow, my plan is to be there Friday after work (around 5:00) and mostof the day Saturday. How 'bout it...who else is going?? Ken? Sean? Spike? Robert P? Bob F? Bob R? Brett? Friar? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone?Anyone? Happy Collecting! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: so cal fire Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:37:54 -0800 From: "terry ellis" well my 2 youngest get the rest of week off and maybe next week too, due tothe excessive smoke. snow day in desert,kit ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 00:22:50 EST Subject: USAF To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dcbbl@aol.com Ok I guessed 1 time already.....figured I would throw a second in... Eglin AFB them special 130's AC's ================= To: , Subject: 53 T help Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 22:22:27 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" OBC World...I noticed my buddy Steve Rittenberg's list and went a-searching... nope, nothing in my meager dupes box matches what has turned into a big, but still fairly difficult list. Drats !!! I came close though...I have a dupe 53 Topps of #156 Jim Rivera w/ white bio just laying here. Steve needs the black bio, but the one in my set is also a white bio. I am not concerned with which color bio I end up with, and maybe one of youout in OBC World feels the same way. If you have a black bio #156 in yourset and you wouldn't mind a white one in exchange, let's do it...only please mail the black bio card to Steve, not to me. I'll replace the one you pull with the white one. Any helpers ? Thanks Brian PS-I bought the big card this week for that set...#82 the Mick lives here now. A great deal from Johnny Hustle on eBay. I will scan it and "show off" a little later this week !! ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 02:41:24 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Keep guessing! To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok I don't think anyone has guessed this one... The Brooklyn Navy Yard, and that would put Rob Giola closest :) ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 04:32:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Keep guessing! To: Typecard@aol.com, illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I am going to guess that this special assignment will not be at an air force base at all. It will be somewhere in my state of Connecticut, perhaps in a liaison role with some industry. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 05:21:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC (Wilmington, MA Shriner's) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Friday's a Halloween concert for me, so can't make it then. I'll be there most of Saturday, hopefully focused around noon to see all youse guys. Sorry I'll miss you Sean--will check the lists just in case. > Hello All. > I plan on being at the show early friday. noon until about 3ish. > Will any of you be there then ? > Bob > Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote: > Greetings all, > Just wondering if anyone else besides Bob Donaldson and me are planning on going to this > show. For anyone who hasn't been, it's (by far) the best show in New England and it only > happens once a year. As has been tradition in recent years, we've had a swap > session/luncheon/get-together at noon Saturday in the dining area (enter the Shriner's > Auditorium, go left to the food stand, then take another left into the dining area). Last year > we even had a flipping contest, much to the horror and puzzlement of some onlookers. > Anyhow, my plan is to be there Friday after work (around 5:00) and most of the day Saturday. > How 'bout it...who else is going?? Ken? Sean? Spike? Robert P? Bob F? Bob R? Brett? > Friar? Beuller? Beuller? Anyone? Anyone? > Happy Collecting! > Jim > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Do you Yahoo!? > Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:12:27 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Terry Dietrick Let's take someplace nobody has guessed yet. Geno, You going to learn how to fly quiet, fly high, in a Stealth? From Whiteman AFB. And have Doug DeJong babysit for you???? Chicago would be a 500 mile drive, but just a hic-up via the Stealth Bomber. Hopefully, you be going someplace(else) nice! hoot-owl@comcast.net wrote: I am guessing either Andy Cook or Steve Rittenberg. I figure you will be based out of Andrews AFB and be one of Air Force One's pilots. peter mead > Geno: > I'll take a guess > Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base > Erik > -----Original Message----- > From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! > OBCers -- > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for a > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of my > new assignment: > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > something out of my dupes box. > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about > you instead. > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also hit > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while I > look for a house. > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois games with > me next year!! > Take Care, Geno > Geno and Sharon Wagner > illini90@earthlink.net > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ================= To: Subject: so cal fires Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:35:20 -0800 From: "terry ellis" I really don't know status but, the sky is a lot clearer today and only a slight hint of smoke smell. kit ================= To: talbot1@comcast.net, XTrJmx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tply@aol.com Subject: Re: Giving cards away (ok not really, but I needed to grab attention) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:50:24 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" > As for other trading groups, I belong to a >number of them. I am most proud of my charter >membership in Dan Austin's group VCT. There is a >certain resemblance to OBC but it is unique. When I >want to set up a trade I go to this group, because >guys just don't send out `55 Mantle cards, you >either have to buy them or get them in trade. Just a little snippet from Mark's comments...I like to mention this whenever I get the chance...it seemed especially appropriate here...I was the shocked recipient of a beautiful 1955 Bowman Mickey Mantle curtosy of obc veteren Trader Doug Smith(a couple of years ago now). So (even when they call themselves 'Trader') guys do just send out '55 Mantle cards. My 58 Mantle was also handed over freely from another great obc'er(Ken Morganti), so let me just say that maybe trading isn't as necessary as some people feel it is. Yes, trading has its place, but I don't think that trading is necessary because of any limited generosity in obc (not that Mark was implying that). See when your friends are online with MSN Messenger 6.0. Download it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:05:18 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Keep guessing! To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Okay...hmmm....how about Hickman Airforce Base in Hawaii which would make Erik Greenwood the closest (I think) although Lynn Miller might be pretty close then. The farthest would be Glenn Codere in Scotland. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:16:45 EST Subject: Fire update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com School called me this morning as I was leaving to tell me not to come in to work. That was great because after yesterday, I was feeling like garbage and my throat was raw from ash and smoke. Today was a lot better though...cooler temps and a slight breeze helped the smoke situation and the firefighters seem to have a handle on the closest fire. The entire valley still smells horrible and is covered in ash. Very strange. Hopefully I can get to work tomorrow just for the Halloween fun. We shall see. This is truly a amazing natural (or unnatural) disaster. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 17:53:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Keep guessing! To: Wite3@aol.com, illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet You may have forgotten that John Pugsley is now a resident of Hawaii... --- Wite3@aol.com wrote: > Okay...hmmm....how about Hickman Airforce Base in > Hawaii which would make > Erik Greenwood the closest (I think) although Lynn > Miller might be pretty close > then. The farthest would be Glenn Codere in > Scotland. > -Joshua Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My new babysitter is... Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:34:47 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I about thirty guesses as to where I might be going and who would be the closest OBCer. Nobody got the actual closest OBCer, which I will save for another couple of seconds... But as for the Top Three guesses, they are: 1) Bob Donaldson who guessed himself 2) Bob Corvello who also guessed himself 3) Sal Domino who guessed Rob Gioia As for the Farthest guess, Joshua comes in with Erik Greenwood. He actually guessed Hawaii, but forgot that John Pugsley lives there now. Either way, it was good for last place. So Joshua and I will try to hit the three guys above, or if we can't , any ol' three OBCers will do. So who is the actual closest OBCer -- it would be none other than Glenn Codere! And he's not exactly close enough to baby sit. We are headed to RAF Boscombe Down, about an hour or so west of London, right next to Stonehenge. I was picked to be an exchange test pilot with the Brits, while they send one guy out here. My wife and I are extremely happy to be able to spend three years in the UK, especially with the chance to show Europe to the kids! We'll probably be leaving in March, so after that, the pints are on me! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Optometrist Testing Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:01:36 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- If any of you have any kids that are thinking about joining the military as an aviator, have them go to Todd Knowles' wantlist and see if they can read it. If they can, they will definitely pass the eye exam that is required... Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:25:17 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Actually, Father Pat, I WAS going to guess Alvin Callendar Field...I lived there for a year and a half with my Uncle and his family when I was 18 yrs old...it's the only Air Base name that I know, so I really have no other guess. My uncle was in the Navy then, stationed in Belle Chasse from 1980-81. What a crazy place N'Awlins was compared to the lifestyle that I was used to, growing up in Vermont !! Culture Shock !! I have toured through some of the spots in Metairie as well.(Your side of the river)...I often wonder what became of some of the hooligans I met and partied with 20+ years ago...good thing I left my baseball cards back in Vermont when I moved to the bayou. I might not still have them!!!! Hey Geno, where ever you do end up going to, I'm sure you'll do great. Thisis a fun guessing game, thanks for the opportunity !! ----- Original Message ----- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: tldietrick@yahoo.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 9:41 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! I will guess Callendar Field, Belle Chasse, Louisiana. I guarantee none of you outside New Orleans would guess that spot! (Neither would the Chinese, North Koreans, al-Queda) Father Pat >From: Terry Dietrick >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 06:12:27 -0800 (PST) >Let's take someplace nobody has guessed yet. >Geno, You going to learn how to fly quiet, fly high, in a Stealth? From Whiteman AFB. And have Doug DeJong babysit for you???? >Chicago would be a 500 mile drive, but just a hic-up via the Stealth Bomber. >Hopefully, you be going someplace(else) nice! >hoot-owl@comcast.net wrote: >I am guessing either Andy Cook or Steve Rittenberg. I figure you will bebased out of Andrews AFB and be one of Air Force One's pilots. >peter mead > > Geno: > > > > I'll take a guess > > > > Bill Malson - Wright-Patterson Air Force Base > > > > Erik > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini90@earthlink.net] > > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 9:28 PM > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Home is Where the Air Force Sends You!! > > > > > > OBCers -- > > > > I found out two weeks ago that I was accepted to Air Command and Staff > > School at Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama. This school is > > essentially the Air Force's school to groom you to be a commander. > > Although it's good for promotion and golfing, it sucks for flying since > > there is no airplanes for a year - ugh! Oh well, at least I get to meet > > Bama finally and drink sweet tea. > > > > But alas, my Squadron Commander informs me today that I was selected for > > pretty cool assignment elsewhere (not astronaut, but I'm still dreaming). > > It involves flying and it is three years instead of one - much more suited > > to my tastes! Anyway, I propose a contest to reveal the whereabouts of > > new assignment: > > > > 1) Pick the OBCer closest to where you think I am going. > > 2) I will try to hit whomever gets the three closest guesses with > > something out of my dupes box. > > 3) If I can't hit your list, I'll hit somebody else and sing songs about > > you instead. > > 4) If you guess the FARTHEST AWAY from where I am going, you must also > > the Top Three (or some three if you can't). > > 5) You can guess yourself, and if you win you can babysit my kids while > > look for a house. > > > > So guess the lucky OBCer who will be watching Cubs and Illinois gameswith > > me next year!! > > > > Take Care, Geno > > > > > > Geno and Sharon Wagner > > illini90@earthlink.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > >Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. >Do you Yahoo!? >Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears Want to check if your PC is virus-infected? Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 01:37:30 EST Subject: Ken M - Industry Expert To: undisclosed-recipients:; From: cardclctor@aol.com Thought I'd share this with the rest of the experts out there. This is my reply to an e-mail I got from one of the bidders in the Redpath auction. Enjoy: In a message dated 10/30/03 3:22:57 PM, xxxx@xxxxx.xxx writes: << I e-mailed you several days ago about the possibility that Beckett would want to feature you and your charitable efforts. Turns out it is looking more The editor of Beckett Sports Collectibles, David Lee, figures you may be a good subject for our "Industry Expert'' section in the back of the mag. It's a 2-page Q and A format in which we talk to, well, an industry expert. He wants to focus mostly on you and your collectibles expertise: How long have you been in the hobby? What makes vintage cards so special in your eyes? What do you collect or focus on? Who are your hobby connections? Etc. And obviously, we also want to know more about Old Baseball Cards and what it does. Where do you get the cards that you sell or auction? How do you decide who will get the proceeds from the sales? David told me that if we get enough good stuff from you, we'll do the Q/A with you. Old Baseball Cards would not be the main focus of the piece -- you would -- but trust me, Old Baseball Cards would definitely get play in the Q/A because it is so unique and more people need to know about it. Please get back to me with some info about you within a couple days. I told David I'd hear from you by then. He wants to make a decision very soon on whether to use you as the next subject. I'm excited about hearing from you >> Here's the answers to the questions you posed above as well as some of my collecting history. Hopefully this is somewhat close to what you're looking for. I've been collecting since 1977. (I was 10 years old at the time). I'm not sure exactly what prompted me to buy that first pack of cards... the gum, the Red Sox, or if I just had an extra 15 cents when the ice cream man stopped by the park. By the end of the year, a few of my friends who lived nearby were collecting and even more friends at school - including my 6th grade English teacher. The trading habits I learned then are still a big part of how I collect I'm basically a set collector. Currently I'm focusing on the T205 set and 1948-49 Leaf baseball. I have a complete run of Topps, Bowmwn, Leaf and Fleer sets from 1948-1985 (plus a bunch of oddball and insert sets from that time frame as well). Anything made after that really doesn't count in my book, nor am I overly concerned about any holes in my collection from the "UV" era. I'm not in it for the investment potential or dollar value of my cards. I tried getting into that in the mid 80's and most of those 'investments' ended in disaster (read: Mike Greenwell, Doc Gooden rookies and the like) My collection is extensive, but it's not in very high grade. I'd rather have a beat up card in my binder instead of an empty space. By the time the late 80's rolled around, it became too expensive to try to collect everythnig out there, so I decided two things: 1) to just collect the regular issue Topps set (I guess I have some kind of loyalty to them, since I had collected them the longest) and 2) I'd work my way backwards instead of trying to collect the 15 new sets produced every year. The older players appealed to me more than the new ones. Maybe because they had already proven themselves, maybe it reminded me of the trading days of my youth, or maybe I was put off by the aforementioned bad investments in newer cards. I originally started out by trying to collect cards of Hank Aaron and Harmon Killebrew, plus buying complete sets from 1976 on back. I thought at the time that collecting cards of the all time HR hitter might be a fun (and possibly lucrative) thing to do. Killebrew was just a guy I picked up a card of at the very first card shop I ever went to... and I guess he wasn't too bad of a hitter either ;-) although I never even followed baseball until after he retired. The first sets I tried completing card by card instead of buying the set outright were 1970-1972 Topps baseball (all three at once, what was I thinking?) Most of the card shops I frequented back then have long since closed their doors, but there were plenty to visit in my quest for EX+ cards from the early 70's (this was before I learned how to REALLY collect cards). I'd scour the Yellow Pages looking for card shops near my house - and sometimes even on vacation. My family would be at Disney and I'd be going through some store's box of 1961 commons. I also got into the live auctions held monthly at Hall's Nostalgia in Arlington, MA, where I'd pick up some great deals on group lots on even older material. Eventually, my family bought a computer and that opened up a whole new world for my collection. Now I could buy cards from dealers all over the country. However, I was worried about getting ripped off and didn't buy too much from the AOL message boards. I did get onto a couple of the more popular online dealers and got on their auction mailing lists though. I still acquired the majority of cards for my collection through the Hall's auctions or from JJ Teaparty - a tiny shop in downtown Boston. One night in an AOL chat room, I ran across a member of OBC talking about older cards. He mentioned the website (www.oldbaseball.com) and suggested that I take a look. Eventually I joined up and it's been one of the most rewarding decisions I've ever made. I've tried many times to explain the group to people both in and outside of the hobby and the bast way I can describe what we do is this: we make each other happy through our common interest and love of the hobby. It's not like any other trading group out there in the face that the majority of the cards aren't sent in any prearranged trades. Since a lot of the cards we send to each other are in lower grades, they're usually not that valuable... at least as far as your magazine is concerned. But to the recipient, they can be worth so much more than any figure you can put into a price guide. One example of this is from a note I got from someone I had mailed cards to earlier in the week. It basically said, "Today I came home from a funeral and opened your letter. The cards you sent really brightened my day. Thanks." That note, in turn, really made my day. It's these random acts of kindness that are the bread and butter of the group. The underlying motto is, "What goes around, comes around". If you ask members of OBC, I think the overwhelming majority would tell you that they get a lot more out of the group than they put into it - and it's not just about pieces of cardboard. The ideals of OBC take me back to my days of youth and when I first started collecting - when we traded cards just because the other person needed them. I travel a lot to shows or just to get away from home on vacation and I've been fortunate enough to meet many of my OBC buddies along the road. Almost every time it's just like meeting someone you've known your whole life, even though you're usually just meeting them for the first time. As far as the auction is concerned. All of the cards were donated by m embers of OBC or from a few of our 'favorite' dealers - the ones that know the type of cards we like (beat up and cheap). Everything was mailed to me or I picked them up in person at either the Ft. Washington show in PA or the National Convention in Atlantic City. We decided it was the best way we could help out Rick's family after he passed away due to brain cancer earlier this year. A fund was set up by a bank near his home (which is also in my home state of MA). Several years ago, we lost another member through similar circumstances and we held a similar auction. This was before eBay, so the auction was run through e-mails, with most of the bidding being done by OBC members. The auction was a one-time event done especially for the Ian and Casey fund (it was also my first real eBay experience as a SELLER). I just happened to be the one to step up to the plate for it and offer to do the selling. (I had a LOT of help running things). I'm waiting for a couple outstanding payments (and maybe relist a couple of the unpaid lots), but I hope to deposit a check for just over $5000 into the fund by Thanksgiving. Rick's family is most likely unaware that we're still thinking of him or doing anything for him either. When I first read your note saying you were looking for an 'industry expert', I kinda laughed because I don't really consider myself much of an expert. But I will say that after hanging around for over seven years with what is now 150 people who have such a wide variety of specific collecting interests and experiences, I've picked up a LOT of information. Several OBC members have already made contributions in the hobby, including discovering previously uncataloged cards, additions to displays (ie. the Japanese baseball exhibit located in Epcot), and even writing a few articles in different hobby publications. With that kind of pool to draw on for knowledge, there aren't too many hobby related questions that SOMEONE won't be able to answer. I do find myself being able to answer a lot more of the questions now too - like "How do you tell the difference between 1963 Post Cereal and Jello cards?" I still have a lot to learn though - another thing that makes older cards more appealing to me. Anyway, I hope that you can use some of this information about me. PLMK if you need more info or something. Sorry about the length of this e-mail. Usually, I'm not so brief :-) TTYS, Ken Morganti (OBC) ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 02:40:36 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken M - Industry Expert To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com That was terrific! This one goes into my OBC ramblings archive. Funny how we always bust on Beckett. Wouldn't it be poetic justice to find a book...er.. an article kind of written by one of our own in there! If they add a pic, please wear your wizard hat (we can scroll OBC on it)... :-)! You know it's really cool what I am reading lately. It was said earlier how we get into these discussions every so often about the state of OBC. Then Geno has a contest, Ken sends a rambling, Glen meets more people from across the pond, Rick sends a bunch of emails.. and we are back to normal! My participation may be more limited than in the past, but I am always going to be a lifelong member. I know that there will always be someone to pass the torch to. Someone who will carry out the ideals that the Guru's and Rick's and the early guys taught me about. Ok, I did bring in Big Al, but even he reached sainthood LOL... Speaking of which, another of my prodigy's (pun intented), has anyone heard from John Ball? I just wanted to add one thing. In all the years I have put into OBC, I have made exactly two trades...one was with Wayne which I think included a few 70s cards and one with Eric (Sicx). This was a blockbuster. I received 1 1968 Nolan Ryan rookie in exchange for 100 Jim Fregosi cards (and a few Leroy Stantons). Now that is an example of an OBC trade! While I miss the old chat sessions and some of the great goings on we did 'back in the day', I am hopeful that when I get as old as Howard I will still have a place to hang my cards, talking to my many friends and getting together every so often at a card show. The thing that brings me the most pride is what we accomplish as a group, no matter what is going on at the time. In these days of the impersonal internet, I love telling people about the amazing things this group does and watching the expressions on their faces. Hell think about it.. we have covered over the years how many continents and how many countries? Yeah this is the coolest concoction of people on the internet. When we get lottery tickets and people ask what I would do with 30 mil, I always say pay off my house, pay off my families houses and then would ask every OBCer for the one impossible card so I can send it to them (Sorry I don't think there are that many Mantles around). While I miss the Terry's and Jim's of the OBC world, I look around and see the Ken's and Steve's and know that this group will always be in good hands. Speaking of Terry, isn't it about that time for us to start thinking about the Secret Santa? I miss the old format of instead of trying to hit someone's want list, we send a card of personal sentimentality and a story to go along with it. I wonder if Rick has one of those old emails explaining how we used to do it (hint, hint). The stories come Christmas morning were always wonderful to read and gave me the OBC warm fuzzies. And you guys thought that Ken was the only one to write long emails... Be thankful I'm not as active as I used to be LOL... PS- I would love to see a spot on the web site with some of the terrific stories we have experienced with OBC. Jim at Fort Washington, Terry's love of Joe Morgan, the 'teenager' baseball, Guru's Civil War finding, the Kevin Lohse quest... you guys get the idea. I think some of us oldies can put the alzheimer's aside to remember these and put them to keyboard. I think the newbies would love to hear about it and give them a better understanding of our roots. Just an idea.... ================= To: illini90@earthlink.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My new babysitter is... Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 8:22:53 +0000 From: Glenn You know, I was going to throw in Lakenheath AFB in England as a guess, but I didn't want to look like a bloody idiot! Geno, as I'm sure you are aware there is a very hearty welcome awaiting you north of the border. One way or another, we'll definitely have to hook up while you're over on this side of the pond. Looking forward to meeting up with you! ============================================================ From: "Geno Wagner" Date: 2003/10/31 Fri AM 04:34:47 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My new babysitter is... OBCers -- I about thirty guesses as to where I might be going and who would be the closest OBCer. Nobody got the actual closest OBCer, which I will save for another couple of seconds... But as for the Top Three guesses, they are: 1) Bob Donaldson who guessed himself 2) Bob Corvello who also guessed himself 3) Sal Domino who guessed Rob Gioia As for the Farthest guess, Joshua comes in with Erik Greenwood. He actually guessed Hawaii, but forgot that John Pugsley lives there now. Either way, it was good for last place. So Joshua and I will try to hit the three guys above, or if we can't , any ol' three OBCers will do. So who is the actual closest OBCer -- it would be none other than Glenn Codere! And he's not exactly close enough to baby sit. We are headed to RAF Boscombe Down, about an hour or so west of London, right next to Stonehenge. I was picked to be an exchange test pilot with the Brits, while they send one guy out here. My wife and I are extremely happy to be able to spend three years in the UK, especially with the chance to show Europe to the kids! We'll probably be leaving in March, so after that, the pints are on me! Take Care, Geno Geno and Sharon Wagner To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ============================================================ Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 08:01:45 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken M - Industry Expert To: ChicoD1@aol.com, CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Sal and others - Please write up the great old stories and send them to me. I'm getting close to the end of a year long quest to update the FAQ and Rules of conduct. The history of OBC is in there (written by Josh I think) but there are a ton of great stories missing. Maybe we can do an almost complete history. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:43:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 913 From: Jerry Coker > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:34:47 -0800 > From: "Geno Wagner" > Subject: My new babysitter is... > So who is the actual closest OBCer -- it would be none other than Glenn > Codere! And he's not exactly close enough to baby sit. We are headed to > RAF Boscombe Down, about an hour or so west of London, right next to > Stonehenge. I was picked to be an exchange test pilot with the Brits, > while they send one guy out here. My wife and I are extremely happy to be > able to spend three years in the UK, especially with the chance to show > Europe to the kids! We'll probably be leaving in March, so after that, the > pints are on me! Wow...congratulations Geno! My wife and I took about a 3-4 week vacation in England/Scotland in the early 90's. This was before our daughter Sarah was born and before I was an OBC'er (otherwise I would have paid a visit Glenn :). It is one of the best vacations I ever took. I love history, and was able to see many Medieval castles, the British Museum (I could've spent a week there), and so much more. American history pales in comparison. The thing that struck me most was the old churches, abbies, and museums in the smaller towns where things as old as the 13th century were available to touch! Not hidden behind some glass case. One place we stayed that really stands out in my memory was a little island called Iona off the coast of Scotland (just off the island of Mull...by ferry). It was beautiful. We stayed on a working farm B&B, and saw and touched stone effigies (sp?) that dated to around St. Columbo (sp?) who came over from Ireland to open an Abby. Anyway, needless to say, you and your kids are going to have a blast over there. There is so much to see and everything is so close (France, Germany, etc.). My wife's sister lives in Germany and we hope to take another European trip within the next couple years. We really want Sarah to see Europe too. So...enjoy...and I'm envious ;) Jerry Coker ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:46:31 -0600 To: _ramblings Subject: Re: Industry Expert From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...no matter how unrealistic or impractical it may be, I shudder whenever the word "industry" is connected to baseball cards. It seems that the Buckett people, in their search for an Industry Expert, have found themselves dealing with a real live Hobby Expert. In OBC, we have our old-timers, our newbies, our founders, our traders, our saints and our gurus...and there are no better people on the face of the earth. But when it comes to pointing the finger at the HERO of OBC, it's Ken Morganti. Being a member of OBC is one of the best things I got goin'. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...OBC Junior Class ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:53:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ken M - Industry Expert To: TraderDoug@aol.com, ChicoD1@aol.com, CardClctor@aol.com, From: Wite3@aol.com If you want, you can forward the stories to me and I will try to update the history section... ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 12:24:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Industry Expert To: debrick@onemain.com, OBC Ramblings From: Terry Dietrick Here, here! Well said Rick. I don't know of any OBC'er that puts more time in this wonderful hobby than Ken. You gave the finger , ahh, I mean, pointed the finger at the right guy. Good luck to the best left handed shortstop in OBC! Terry(the other one) Rick & Deb wrote: OBC Friends...no matter how unrealistic or impractical it may be, I shudder whenever the word "industry" is connected to baseball cards. It seems that the Buckett people, in their search for an Industry Expert, have found themselves dealing with a real live Hobby Expert. In OBC, we have our old-timers, our newbies, our founders, our traders, our saints and our gurus...and there are no better people on the face of the earth. But when it comes to pointing the finger at the HERO of OBC, it's Ken Morganti. Being a member of OBC is one of the best things I got goin'. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...OBC Junior Class Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: i just met with and industry expert! Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 22:23:29 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I had the good fortune to run into industry expert Ken Morganti at the Greater Boston Show tonight. Jim Hatch was there as well, and before ran into them, 3 dealers had warned me that I had company. These hats are becomming quite recognizeable! :) My haul included a '51 blue back, a '63 high # common that I Paid way too much ($4) for, just so I wouldn't get shut out, and a couple $5 '33 Goudeys. Not much for bargain bins, but, It was cool to see Ken and Jim. So, here is the one that stumped the expert.... There are 9 '51 topps team cards, but no Yankees. Anyone have an explanation for that? I have some guesses, but I was just wondering if anyone knows for sure.