================= To: "ramblings" Subject: 2003 OBC Super Bowl pool Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 14:18:58 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" if you emailed me, I put you in the grid. The names with the "X" are last years participants who haven't said they want in yet... I'm too lazy to delete them yet. We have 23 players so far... check out: http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/pool.htm And let me know if you want in. The "rules" are there as well as last If you emailed me about sending cards, thanks! If you asked me to check lists, I'm doing that now. Go OBC! ================= Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:17:20 -0500 Subject: my 2003 collecting goals To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Happy New Year and many thanks to all OBCers who have assisted my card collecting habit--and my need to complete a few sets. I finished a number of sets during the past year that I would have never even thought of finishing without the aide of OBC--including 1965, 1968, 1969, 1971 and several other 1970 sets (and a few football, basketball and hockey sets as well). So THANKS. I have never set collecting goals before--so it should be interesting a year from now to see how I have done (normal goals would include losing 15 pounds, spending less time on the Intranet and upgrading my OS so I can take part in the chat sessions). Presently I need 2095 Topps baseball cards from 1951-1973. I would like to chop 500 cards off of my want list. I would like to reduce my 59-63 fleer baseball run from the present 68 cards to about 30. I would like to finish three hockey sets--72/73. 73/74 and 74/75 I would like to finish two basketball sets--71/72 and the 71/72 Trios I would like to finish two football sets--1966 Topps and 1967 Topps and finish the 1965 Topps set with the exception of the Namath rookie (I am an old AFL fan). I would like to finish my 1973 set--anyone have a spare Schmidt. I would like to make a dent in those infernal 1972 high numbers and go from about 60 to 20 cards for the set. I would like to finish my 1970 set with the possible exception of Nolan Ryan I would like to finish my 1968 KDKA Pirates set and send all my dups to Mike Rich. I would like to take my 1966 want list from the present 35 to about 17 high numbers. I would like to attack my short 1959 and 1960 lists by cutting them in half. Hopefully both sets will be at about 20 cards a year from now. I would like to lower my 54 Red Heart set to two cards by finding a cheap Billy Martin. I would like to reduce my 53-55 Dormand postcard set by 25%--going from needing eight cards to only six. Hopefully I will obtain some dups to send another birth year card to Peter Iverson. I would like to make some headway with the Playball sets. I would like to get to the Ft. Washington show at least once--first try Feb. 28th. But all I would really like is for everyone to have a healthy, happy and fruitful 2003. Happy New Year, peter mead ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: separated at birth? Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 18:45:59 -0500 From: "mogtf163toddk@pop.mocc.com" I was perusing some Yaz items on eBay when I came across a picture of Yaz with Dick "Dr. Strangeglove" Stuart. Is it just me, or does Dick bear some resemblance to one Rick "Tripleplay" Ellison? Take a look for yourselves http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category204&item1984757176 Happy New Year! mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:22:27 EST Subject: My first offering of dupes in 2003 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Just let me know which ones you want: TRIPS DUPES BOX AVAILABLE January 1, 2003 BASEBALL DUPES 1960 TOPPS 13, 211 1966 TOPPS 5, 21, 33, 49, 68, 84, 123, 189, 513 1967 TOPPS 20 ORLAND CEPADA, 29, 62, 87, 114, 147, 148, 172, 176, 189, 193, 212, 213, 214, 231, 267, 556, 582 1968 TOPPS 296 (2), 352 (2), 354, 357 (2), 358, 389 1969 TOPPS 19, 20 ERNIE BANKS, 23, 38, 151, 401 1970 TOPPS 4, 6, 13, 19 (2), 23, 35, 37, 38, 43, 44, 54, 57, 79, 80, 91 (2), 92 (2), 93 (2), 103, 108, 111, 112, 113 (2), 124, 126, 127 (2), 131 (2), 132 (2), 266 (3), 268 (3), 274 (2), 277, 278 (4), 297, 322, 324, 334, 354 (2), 361 (2), 366, 374, 392 (3), 393 (2) 1970 TOPPS BOOKLETS 9 BOBBY MURCER 1971 TOPPS 2, 3 (2), 10, 11, 12, 18, 27, 28, 41, 42 (2), 51, 52 (2), 57, 59 (2), 60, 73 (2), 77, 84, 89, 91, 100 PETE ROSE, 102, 103, 105, 108 (2), 109, 110 (4), 113 (2), 114, 120, 121, 124, 125, 128, 131, 132, 163, 223, 239, 240 (2) 1972 TOPPS 7, 9, 11, 15, 17, 19, 24, 30, 39 (2), 53, 55, 57 (2), 58 (2), 60, 65, 66, 73 (3), 77, 78 (2), 81, 97, 98, 99 (2), 109, 110, 111, 115, 118 (3), 119, 122, 124, 126, 129, 149 (2), 199 (2), 207 (3), 214, 231, 238 (3), 242 (6), 295 1973 TOPPS 11, 27, 40 (2), 68, 96, 101, 118 (2), 161, 197, 211, 236, 290 1974 TOPPS 8 (4), 59, 99, 172, 189, 213 (3), 228, 233, 249, 256, 284, 294 (2), 295, 328, 335, 354 (3), 370, 405, 406, 442, 447, 466 (2), 467, 482, 492, 493, 498, 506, 539 (2) 1974 TOPPS TRADED 43T, 51T (3), 62T (2), 63T (2), 73T, 139T (2), 151T, 165T, 175T, 186T (6), 270T, 313T, 373T, 428T, 348T, 486T (2), 496T, 579T (2), 616T (2), 649T 1975 TOPPS 11, 31, 37, 54, 78 (2), 107, 147, 162, 316 (2), 323, 326 (2), 327, 330, 332, 347, 353, 366, 424, 464, 467 (2), 468, 486, 495, 536, 626, 633 1977 TCMA RENALTA GALASSO 145 CONNIE MACK, 152 CHRIST MATHEWSON 1980 TCMA ALL-TIME GIANTS FRANKIE FRISCH, HOYT WILHELM, FRED LINDSTROM, CARL HUBBELL, MEL OTT, JOHN McGRAW, BILL TERRY 1976 TOPPS 26 (2), 27, 33 (3), 37 (2), 52, 110 (4), 112, 116, 122, 136 (2), 148, 155 (3), 162, 164, 171 (5), 181 (2), 182 (2), 186 (2), 212 (4), 224 (4), 231 (2), 232, 238 (3), 247, 256 (6), 283, 287 (3), 298 (3), 302 (5), 306, 309 (2), 312 (3), 320, 322, 328, 332, 333, 338, 352, 356, 364, 401, 403, 404, 410, 413, 424, 428, 446, 447, 478, 484, 491, 492, 497 (2), 509, 536, 571, 572 (3), 576 (4), 577 (2), 584, 602, 615, 629, 630, 652 1976 TOPPS TRADED 27T (19), 28t, 44T (12), 58T, 99T, 120T (12), 127T (14), 146T (15), 158T (16), 208T (19), 211T (14), 231T (16), 250T, 259T (10), 292T (11), 29 (15), 309T (17), 338T (11), 383T (14), 385T (14), 401T (17), 410T (14), 411 (17), 428T (10), 434T (15), 464T (18), 497T (15), 524T (17), 527T (14), 528T (16), 532T (15), 554T (10), 579T (13), 583T (15), 618T (14), 632T (17), 649T (17) CHECKLIST NO NUMBER (10) 1977 TOPPS 91, 97 (2), 195, 200, 275, 342, 408, 454 1978 TOPPS 29 (6), 37, 38 (2), 43 (2), 47 (2), 51 (3), 53 (3), 56, 61, 64 (2), 67 (5), 68 (5), 77 (3), 78 (4), 79, 85 (3), 93 (6), 102 (2), 106, 109, 132, 135 (3), 147, 154 (3), 157 (3), 177 (2), 186 (2), 187 (6), 191, 194, 197, 202, 204 (3), 207 (2), 211 (3), 212, 216 (2), 217 (2), 219 (2), 221 (2), 224 (3), 225 (3), 228, 236, 242 (4), 246 (3), 247, 248 (5), 249 (2), 252 (2), 260 (2), 261 (3), 265 (5), 266 (2), 268, 269, 271 (2), 272, 273 (3), 276 (3), 281 (2), 285 (4), 290 (3), 296 (2), 297 (3), 298, 299, 306 (4), 307, 308 (2), 311 (5), 316, 322 (2), 323 (2), 326 (7), 327 (6), 330, 342, 343 (5), 349 (4), 354 (4), 364, 366 (3), 377 (2), 378, 388 (4), 394, 396 (2), 401 (2), 403, 406 (4), 414 (3), 417, 425 (2), 428, 436 (7), 437 (3), 438, 441 (2), 443, 445, 449 (4), 458 (2), 459, 461(4), 462, 472 (4), 477, 483, 486, 487 (5), 488, 496 (4), 502, 504, 507, 511 (2), 518, 527 (2), 538 (2), 539, 543 (2), 544 (2), 548 (5), 552, 554 (3), 555, 556, 557 (2), 561 (6), 562, 576 (2), 578, 579, 581, 585 (2), 587, 592, 604 (2), 611, 615, 617 (2), 619 (2), 621, 622 (2), 623, 624 (2), 625 (2), 626, 627, 632 (2), 634, 636, 638, 641 (3), 646 (5), 647, 657, 658 (2), 662 (3), 669, 679, 692, 693, 703 (5), 711, 712, 726 1979 TOPPS 1, 4, 23, 29, 39, 51 (2), 54 (9), 63 (2), 67 (2), 77, 78, 85, 97, 104 (2), 130 (2), 137, 154 (5), 179, 241, 243 (2), 247 (6), 279, 303 (6), 327 (3),356, 405, 406, 408 (3), 418 (9), 429 (2), 455 (2), 461 (3), 468 (3), 470 (2), 528 (4), 531, 564, 580, 605 (15), 642 (3), 645 (3), 653 (5), 670 (2), 671 (3), 676, 683 (6), 684 (2), 686 (4), 691 (6), 710 (2) 1980 TOPPS 12 (36), 15 (7), 16 (2), 32, 34 (37), 35 (3), 36 (2), 47, 51 (6), 68, 72 (5), 76, 84 (2), 87 (2), 93 (3), 102 (5), 114 (3), 138, 142, 145 (3), 158 (50), 174 (4), 179 (3), 183 (11), 184 (2), 211 (7), 246 (2), 255 (8), 263 (2), 264 (4), 271, 284 (41), 286, 314, 317 (3), 325 (2), 327 (5), 355, 373 (5), 379 (3), 387 (4), 394, 397, 399 (5), 412, 418 (4), 430 (9), 459 (2), 462 (34), 469, 471 (2), 486 (3), 489 (5), 491 (3), 494, 502 (7), 504 (3), 513, 527 (13), 530 (3), 538, 541 (2), 549 (4), 558 (3), 566 (3), 572 (10), 585 (2), 586, 589, 597, 603 (5), 611, 614 (2), 618 (3), 621, 623 (2), 627, 632, 634, 642 (2), 654, 657, 665 (2), 666 (2), 675 (2), 678 (3), 687 (5), 692, 695, 711, 714, 717 (44) FOOTBALL DUPES: 1, 2, 3, 5 (2), 9, 16, 23, 24, 25, 26, 32, 33, 44, 45, 47, 48, 50, 53, 54, 59, 64, 75, 76, 82, 87, 92, 94, 115, 118, 130, 149, 178, 223 1973 TOPPS 1976 TOPPS 21 (2), 32, 36, 37, 43 (2), 57, 79, 81, 112, 163, 165 (3), 189 (2), 263 (2), 276, 279, 280, 292 (2), 293 (2), 367 1977 TOPPS 25, 141, 157, 174, 200, 239, 246, 270, 275, 315, 336, 345, 412, 468, 525 1978 TOPPS 102, 122, 210, 251, 323, 347, 498 1979 TOPPS 68, 235, 490, 503, 505, 511, 512, 516, 526 ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 22:31:17 EST Subject: My Dupes Box corrected To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com OBC - I hit some wantlist from the directory and got rid of some of the cards I offered earlier. The following is what I have left, just let me know which ones you want: TRIPS DUPES BOX AVAILABLE January 1, 2003 BASEBALL DUPES ***IMAGES AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST*** 1957 TOPPS 1960 TOPPS 13, 211 1966 TOPPS 5, 21, 33, 49, 68, 84 1967 TOPPS 1968 TOPPS 296 (2), 352, 354, 357 (2), 358, 389 1969 TOPPS 23, 38, 151, 401 1970 TOPPS 4, 6, 13, 19 (2), 23, 35, 37, 38, 43, 44, 54, 57, 79, 80, 91 (2), 92 (2), 93 (2), 103, 108, 111, 112, 113 (2), 124, 126, 127 (2), 131 (2), 132 (2), 266 (3), 268 (3), 274 (2), 277, 278 (4), 297, 322, 324, 334, 354 (2), 361 (2), 366, 374, 392 (3), 393 (2) 1970 TOPPS BOOKLETS 9 BOBBY MURCER 1971 TOPPS 2, 3 (2), 10, 11, 12, 18, 27, 28, 41, 42 (2), 51, 52 (2), 57, 59 (2), 60, 73 (2), 77, 84, 89, 91, 100 PETE ROSE, 102, 103, 105, 108 (2), 109, 110 (4), 113 (2), 114, 120, 121, 124, 125, 128, 131, 132, 163, 223, 239, 240 (2) 1972 TOPPS 7, 9, 11, 15, 17, 19, 24, 30, 39 (2), 53, 55, 57 (2), 58 (2), 60, 65, 66, 73 (3), 77, 78 (2), 81, 97, 98, 99 (2), 109, 110, 111, 115, 118 (3), 119, 122, 124, 126, 129, 149 (2), 199 (2), 207 (3), 214, 231, 238 (3), 242 (6), 295 1973 TOPPS 11, 27, 40 (2), 68, 96, 101, 118 (2), 161, 197, 211, 236, 290 1974 TOPPS 8 (4), 59, 99, 172, 189, 213 (3), 228, 233, 249, 256, 284, 294 (2), 295, 328, 335, 354 (3), 370, 405, 406, 442, 447, 466 (2), 467, 482, 492, 493, 498, 506, 539 (2) 1974 TOPPS TRADED 43T, 51T (3), 62T (2), 63T (2), 73T, 139T (2), 151T, 165T, 175T, 186T (6), 270T, 313T, 373T, 428T, 348T, 486T (2), 496T, 579T (2), 616T (2), 649T 1975 TOPPS 11, 31, 37, 54, 78 (2), 107, 147, 162, 316 (2), 323, 326 (2), 327, 330, 332, 347, 353, 366, 424, 464, 467 (2), 468, 486, 495, 536, 626, 633 1977 TCMA RENALTA GALASSO 145 CONNIE MACK, 152 CHRIST MATHEWSON 1980 TCMA ALL-TIME GIANTS FRANKIE FRISCH, HOYT WILHELM, FRED LINDSTROM, CARL HUBBELL, MEL OTT, JOHN McGRAW, BILL TERRY 1976 TOPPS 26 (2), 27, 33 (3), 37 (2), 52, 110 (4), 112, 116, 122, 136 (2), 148, 155 (3), 162, 164, 171 (5), 181 (2), 182 (2), 186 (2), 212 (4), 224 (4), 231 (2), 232, 238 (3), 247, 256 (6), 283, 287 (3), 298 (3), 302 (5), 306, 309 (2), 312 (3), 320, 322, 328, 332, 333, 338, 352, 356, 364, 401, 403, 404, 410, 413, 424, 428, 446, 447, 478, 484, 491, 492, 497 (2), 509, 536, 571, 572 (3), 576 (4), 577 (2), 584, 602, 615, 629, 630, 652 1976 TOPPS TRADED 27T (19), 28t, 44T (12), 58T, 99T, 120T (12), 127T (14), 146T (15), 158T (16), 208T (19), 211T (14), 231T (16), 250T, 259T (10), 292T (11), 29 (15), 309T (17), 338T (11), 383T (14), 385T (14), 401T (17), 410T (14), 411 (17), 428T (10), 434T (15), 464T (18), 497T (15), 524T (17), 527T (14), 528T (16), 532T (15), 554T (10), 579T (13), 583T (15), 618T (14), 632T (17), 649T (17) CHECKLIST NO NUMBER (10) 1977 TOPPS 91, 97 (2), 195, 200, 275, 342, 408, 454 1978 TOPPS 29 (6), 37, 38 (2), 43 (2), 47 (2), 51 (3), 53 (3), 56, 61, 64 (2), 67 (5), 68 (5), 77 (3), 78 (4), 79, 85 (3), 93 (6), 102 (2), 106, 109, 132, 135 (3), 147, 154 (3), 157 (3), 177 (2), 186 (2), 187 (6), 191, 194, 197, 202, 204 (3), 207 (2), 211 (3), 212, 216 (2), 217 (2), 219 (2), 221 (2), 224 (3), 225 (3), 228, 236, 242 (4), 246 (3), 247, 248 (5), 249 (2), 252 (2), 260 (2), 261 (3), 265 (5), 266 (2), 268, 269, 271 (2), 272, 273 (3), 276 (3), 281 (2), 285 (4), 290 (3), 296 (2), 297 (3), 298, 299, 306 (4), 307, 308 (2), 311 (5), 316, 322 (2), 323 (2), 326 (7), 327 (6), 330, 342, 343 (5), 349 (4), 354 (4), 364, 366 (3), 377 (2), 378, 388 (4), 394, 396 (2), 401 (2), 403, 406 (4), 414 (3), 417, 425 (2), 428, 436 (7), 437 (3), 438, 441 (2), 443, 445, 449 (4), 458 (2), 459, 461(4), 462, 472 (4), 477, 483, 486, 487 (5), 488, 496 (4), 502, 504, 507, 511 (2), 518, 527 (2), 538 (2), 539, 543 (2), 544 (2), 548 (5), 552, 554 (3), 555, 556, 557 (2), 561 (6), 562, 576 (2), 578, 579, 581, 585 (2), 587, 592, 604 (2), 611, 615, 617 (2), 619 (2), 621, 622 (2), 623, 624 (2), 625 (2), 626, 627, 632 (2), 634, 636, 638, 641 (3), 646 (5), 647, 657, 658 (2), 662 (3), 669, 679, 692, 693, 703 (5), 711, 712, 726 1979 TOPPS 1, 4, 23, 29, 39, 51 (2), 54 (9), 63 (2), 67 (2), 77, 78, 85, 97, 104 (2), 130 (2), 137, 154 (5), 179, 241, 243 (2), 247 (6), 279, 303 (6), 327 (3),356, 405, 406, 408 (3), 418 (9), 429 (2), 455 (2), 461 (3), 468 (3), 470 (2), 528 (4), 531, 564, 580, 605 (15), 642 (3), 645 (3), 653 (5), 670 (2), 671 (3), 676, 683 (6), 684 (2), 686 (4), 691 (6), 710 (2) 1980 TOPPS 12 (36), 15 (7), 16 (2), 32, 34 (37), 35 (3), 36 (2), 47, 51 (6), 68, 72 (5), 76, 84 (2), 87 (2), 93 (3), 102 (5), 114 (3), 138, 142, 145 (3), 158 (50), 174 (4), 179 (3), 183 (11), 184 (2), 211 (7), 246 (2), 255 (8), 263 (2), 264 (4), 271, 284 (41), 286, 314, 317 (3), 325 (2), 327 (5), 355, 373 (5), 379 (3), 387 (4), 394, 397, 399 (5), 412, 418 (4), 430 (9), 459 (2), 462 (34), 469, 471 (2), 486 (3), 489 (5), 491 (3), 494, 502 (7), 504 (3), 513, 527 (13), 530 (3), 538, 541 (2), 549 (4), 558 (3), 566 (3), 572 (10), 585 (2), 586, 589, 597, 603 (5), 611, 614 (2), 618 (3), 621, 623 (2), 627, 632, 634, 642 (2), 654, 657, 665 (2), 666 (2), 675 (2), 678 (3), 687 (5), 692, 695, 711, 714, 717 (44) FOOTBALL DUPES: 1, 2, 3, 5 (2), 9, 16, 23, 24, 25, 26, 32, 33, 44, 45, 47, 48, 50, 53, 54, 59, 64, 75, 76, 82, 87, 92, 94, 115, 118, 130, 149, 178, 223 1973 TOPPS 1976 TOPPS 21 (2), 32, 36, 37, 43 (2), 57, 79, 81, 112, 163, 165 (3), 189 (2), 263 (2), 276, 279, 280, 292 (2), 293 (2), 367 1977 TOPPS 25, 141, 157, 174, 200, 239, 246, 270, 275, 315, 336, 345, 412, 468, 525 1978 TOPPS 102, 122, 210, 251, 323, 347, 498 1979 TOPPS 68, 235, 490, 503, 505, 511, 512, 516, 526 ================= Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 12:25:20 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: This and That From: Lynn Miller Due to some changes I need to make in the future for myself and my family, I won't have the time to send Birthday packages anymore and will have to become a little less active I think. No not gone, but need to taper off. I need to share more time with the family and some other projects I'm planning on. So sorry for that. Also need some feedback. Many of you have asked me to start new sets, etc. No desire. But one thing has occurred to me and maybe it's inappropriate to even ask. My collection is probably built somewhere close to 50% OBC and 50% on my own, not really sure but that's close enough. I've never been condition sensitive and really haven't changed that perspective. But this thought might allow others to help some. There are a lot of cards in my collection that are really bad, not that I mind. But if upgrades were available, and I mean just lying around in dupes boxes, perhaps I should consider asking for them. To be honest I can't tell all the cards that came from OBCers, most of the significant ones I can remember. And I'm not talkiing about upgrading hi value cards, only commons. Ones that would be pretty easy to come up with and if they are just collecting dust in someone's dupe box and they can't find another home, they would gladly be accepted here. And they don't have to be better than Vg. I've got some really nasty ones :>) and these would be the only ones I would want to upgrade. Don't need completely Vg or better sets. And I wouldn't want any of these to come from personal sets, it's not that important. And of course any cards that are upgraded, the lesser ones will find another OBC home, goes without saying. Just thought maybe this would give some of those that think they have no chance at my list, another possibility. If this is contrary to any OBC guidelines, then someone smack me real quick! Thanks, Lynn ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2003 23:51:32 EST Subject: Yet another correction to my dupes! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com It feels great to be packing cards for tomorrows mail, what a great way to start the year! This is the most recent version of my dupes box, just name the omnes you want and don't be shy I need to clean these out of my office and start fresh: TRIPS DUPES BOX AVAILABLE January 1, 2003 BASEBALL DUPES ***IMAGES AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST*** 1960 TOPPS 13, 211 1966 TOPPS 5, 21, 33, 49, 68, 84 1967 TOPPS 1968 TOPPS 296, 352, 357 (2), 358, 389 1969 TOPPS 23, 38, 151, 401 1970 TOPPS 4, 6, 13, 19 (2), 23, 35, 37, 38, 43, 44, 54, 57, 79, 80, 91 (2), 92 (2), 93 (2), 103, 108, 111, 113 (2), 124, 126, 127 (2), 131 (2), 132 (2), 266 (3), 268 (3), 274 (2), 277, 278 (4), 297, 322, 324, 334, 354 (2), 361 (2), 366, 374, 392 (3), 393 (2) 1970 TOPPS BOOKLETS 9 BOBBY MURCER 1971 TOPPS 2, 3 (2), 10, 11, 12, 18, 27, 28, 41, 42 (2), 51, 52 (2), 57, 59 (2), 60, 73 (2), 77, 84, 89, 91, 102, 103, 105, 108 (2), 109, 110 (4), 113 (2), 114, 120, 121, 124, 125, 128, 131, 132, 163, 223, 239, 240 (2) 1972 TOPPS 7, 9, 11, 15, 17, 19, 24, 30, 39 (2), 53, 55, 57 (2), 58 (2), 60, 65, 66, 73 (3), 77, 78 (2), 81, 97, 98, 99 (2), 109, 110, 111, 115, 118 (3), 119, 122, 124, 126, 129, 149 (2), 199 (2), 207 (3), 214, 231, 238 (3), 242 (6), 295 1973 TOPPS 11, 27, 40 (2), 68, 96, 101, 118 (2), 161, 197, 211, 236, 290 1974 TOPPS 8 (4), 59, 99, 172, 189, 213 (3), 228, 233, 249, 256, 284, 294 (2), 295, 328, 335, 354 (3), 370, 405, 406, 442, 447, 466 (2), 467, 482, 492, 493, 498, 506, 539 (2) 1974 TOPPS TRADED 43T, 51T (3), 62T (2), 63T (2), 73T, 139T (2), 151T, 165T, 175T, 186T (6), 270T, 313T, 373T, 428T, 348T, 486T (2), 496T, 579T (2), 616T (2), 649T 1975 TOPPS 11, 31, 37, 54, 78 (2), 107, 147, 162, 316 (2), 323, 326 (2), 327, 330, 332, 347, 353, 366, 424, 464, 467 (2), 468, 486, 495, 536, 626, 633 1976 TOPPS 26 (2), 27, 33 (3), 37 (2), 52, 110 (4), 112, 116, 122, 136 (2), 148, 155 (3), 162, 164, 171 (5), 181 (2), 182 (2), 186 (2), 212 (4), 224 (4), 231 (2), 232, 238 (3), 247, 256 (6), 283, 287 (3), 298 (3), 302 (5), 306, 309 (2), 312 (3), 320, 322, 328, 332, 333, 338, 352, 356, 364, 401, 403, 404, 410, 413, 424, 428, 446, 447, 478, 484, 491, 492, 497 (2), 509, 536, 571, 572 (3), 576 (4), 577 (2), 584, 602, 615, 629, 630, 652 1976 TOPPS TRADED 27T (19), 28t, 44T (12), 58T, 99T, 120T (12), 127T (14), 146T (15), 158T (16), 208T (19), 211T (14), 231T (16), 250T, 259T (10), 292T (11), 29 (15), 309T (17), 338T (11), 383T (14), 385T (14), 401T (17), 410T (14), 411 (17), 428T (10), 434T (15), 464T (18), 497T (15), 524T (17), 527T (14), 528T (16), 532T (15), 554T (10), 579T (13), 583T (15), 618T (14), 632T (17), 649T (17) CHECKLIST NO NUMBER (10) 1977 TOPPS 91, 97 (2), 195, 200, 275, 342, 408, 454 1978 TOPPS 29 (6), 37, 38 (2), 43 (2), 47 (2), 51 (3), 53 (3), 56, 61, 64 (2), 67 (5), 68 (5), 77 (3), 78 (4), 79, 85 (3), 93 (6), 102 (2), 106, 109, 132, 135 (3), 147, 154 (3), 157 (3), 177 (2), 186 (2), 187 (6), 191, 194, 197, 202, 204 (3), 207 (2), 211 (3), 212, 216 (2), 217 (2), 219 (2), 221 (2), 224 (3), 225 (3), 228, 236, 242 (4), 246 (3), 247, 248 (5), 249 (2), 252 (2), 260 (2), 261 (3), 265 (5), 266 (2), 268, 269, 271 (2), 272, 273 (3), 276 (3), 281 (2), 285 (4), 290 (3), 296 (2), 297 (3), 298, 299, 306 (4), 307, 308 (2), 311 (5), 316, 322 (2), 323 (2), 326 (7), 327 (6), 330, 342, 343 (5), 349 (4), 354 (4), 364, 366 (3), 377 (2), 378, 388 (4), 394, 396 (2), 401 (2), 403, 406 (4), 414 (3), 417, 425 (2), 428, 436 (7), 437 (3), 438, 441 (2), 443, 445, 449 (4), 458 (2), 459, 461(4), 462, 472 (4), 477, 483, 486, 487 (5), 488, 496 (4), 502, 504, 507, 511 (2), 518, 527 (2), 538 (2), 539, 543 (2), 544 (2), 548 (5), 552, 554 (3), 555, 556, 557 (2), 561 (6), 562, 576 (2), 578, 579, 581, 585 (2), 587, 592, 604 (2), 611, 615, 617 (2), 619 (2), 621, 622 (2), 623, 624 (2), 625 (2), 626, 627, 632 (2), 634, 636, 638, 641 (3), 646 (5), 647, 657, 658 (2), 662 (3), 669, 679, 692, 693, 703 (5), 711, 712, 726 1979 TOPPS 1, 4, 23, 29, 39, 51 (2), 54 (9), 63 (2), 67 (2), 77, 78, 85, 97, 104 (2), 130 (2), 137, 154 (5), 179, 241, 243 (2), 247 (6), 279, 303 (6), 327 (3),356, 405, 406, 408 (3), 418 (9), 429 (2), 455 (2), 461 (3), 468 (3), 470 (2), 528 (4), 531, 564, 580, 605 (15), 642 (3), 645 (3), 653 (5), 670 (2), 671 (3), 676, 683 (6), 684 (2), 686 (4), 691 (6), 710 (2) 1980 TOPPS 12 (36), 15 (7), 16 (2), 32, 34 (37), 35 (3), 36 (2), 47, 51 (6), 68, 72 (5), 76, 84 (2), 87 (2), 93 (3), 102 (5), 114 (3), 138, 142, 145 (3), 158 (50), 174 (4), 179 (3), 183 (11), 184 (2), 211 (7), 246 (2), 255 (8), 263 (2), 264 (4), 271, 284 (41), 286, 314, 317 (3), 325 (2), 327 (5), 355, 373 (5), 379 (3), 387 (4), 394, 397, 399 (5), 412, 418 (4), 430 (9), 459 (2), 462 (34), 469, 471 (2), 486 (3), 489 (5), 491 (3), 494, 502 (7), 504 (3), 513, 527 (13), 530 (3), 538, 541 (2), 549 (4), 558 (3), 566 (3), 572 (10), 585 (2), 586, 589, 597, 603 (5), 611, 614 (2), 618 (3), 621, 623 (2), 627, 632, 634, 642 (2), 654, 657, 665 (2), 666 (2), 675 (2), 678 (3), 687 (5), 692, 695, 711, 714, 717 (44) FOOTBALL DUPES: 1973 TOPPS 1976 TOPPS 21 (2), 32, 36, 37, 43 (2), 57, 79, 81, 112, 163, 165 (3), 189 (2), 263 (2), 276, 279, 280, 292 (2), 293 (2), 367 1977 TOPPS 141, 174, 200, 239, 246, 270, 275, 315, 336, 345, 412, 468, 525 1978 TOPPS 102, 122, 210, 251, 323, 347, 498 1979 TOPPS 68, 235, 490, 503, 505, 511, 512, 516, 526 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: single waiver Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 00:18:13 -0800 From: "John Collins" Looking for a good home is 1956 Topps #27, Cardinals catcher Nelson Burbrink. I actually have a dupe from my favorite set, what? The back of this card features a wonderful cartoon of Nelson peeking out of the bushes with the caption "After 14 years in the minors, Nelson made the majors last year." Geez....... poor guy !!! Free to the first good home who needs him..... Hope everybody had a wonderful holiday, but it's back to work tomorrow for me..... -- John ================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 22:47:56 -0500 (EST) To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: belated thanks, may need to go inactive From: Jerry Coker First the thanks. Sorry guys and gals for the late post. Thanks to: Dave Fallen - for another great cd(s) of OTR baseball! Ed Schott - for (3) 75's. Thank you Ed! Larry Gersbach - for (6) 59's. Thank you Larry! OBC Santa - for a wonderfully eclectic package of cards. A Play Ball Luke Hamlin, Brooklyn Dodgers, 55 Bowman Fred Hatfield, 56 Topps Frank Sullivan and Andy Carey, (2) 58's, (2) 59's, and a 72 Topps FB hi # Andy Russell! The package is postmarked from Reseda, CA. Any help in identifying this particular Santa would be much appreciated :) Sorry I was late to say thanks Santa! If I have forgotten someone...I sincerely apologise. Now for some sad news. I have not been very active of late for many reasons which I won't go into right now. I'm hopefull that will change, but realistically it doesn't look like it will happen any time soon. Thus, I'm considering going inactive for awhile. Please do not send me any more cards till I can try to work some things out over the next couple weeks. If I am not able to work things out I will contact everyone, including OBCAC to see what I need to do to get on the inactive list. Jerry Coker Campus Information Technology Partnerships The University of Georgia ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Oddballs on ebay Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 08:46:08 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Super dealer Chandy Greenholt (userid chandyg@aol.com) has a few oddballs available on ebay, including a Red Man, Remar Bread, Post Variation, Hires Root beer, 1935 Wheaties, Kahns, blah blah blah. All items end January 9. This link will take you to a list of his items available: http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&useridchandyg@aol.com&sort3&page3&rows25&since-1&showpics1&stab0 None of these oddballs are needed for my collection but I hope others will find this helpful. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 11:04:05 EST Subject: semi-old baseball game To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com I thought fellow OBC'ers might be a good bunch to ask about a game I have called BALL PARK BASEBALL, which came out in the late 60's-early 70's. It's a great game to play (none of this new-fangled computer-generated stuff). I have about 50-some teams & I'm always trying to find new teams to add to the For those of you who've never heard of it - it's a random-number generated game which pits World Series teams of the past against each other. the manager (you) controls the lineups, & each player will perform roughly how he did during that season. Neat features of the game include unique park charts for each team, a detailed playbook (wherin guys can get injured during a game, oe even tossed for arguing), and an injury factor,a s well as arm, fielding, & speed ratings for each player. Anyway, if anyone out there has this game, let me know - maybe we can copy teams for each other. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC bios Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 14:54:15 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" A special part of OBC is that there are real people behind our identities as collectors. If you want to learn more about other OBCers, you can checkout the OBC bio page at http://www.oldbaseball.com/bio/bio.html For security reasons, you need a user id & password to access this page. userid obc, password obcbio John Collins is the latest member to have his bio added to our site. Check it out! If you want your bio added or changed, send it to me or to Wayne Delia & we'll take care of it. Bios cannot be added or changed otherwise. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 15:55:18 EST Subject: Great Deal on 1961-63 Post To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com I just completed a deal with John Morrison, one of OBC's favorite dealers, for a large group of 1961-63 Post Baseball at his typically great discount prices. He remembered I was looking to complete those sets and came up with about 70 cards which he sold me for $108, shipping and insurance included, which is about a buck fifty per card. But these aren't any ordinary cards, there were quite a few superstars (Banks, McCovey, Drysdale, etc.) and some very, very difficult shortprints and hard-to-find commons. Also as usual, the condition of the cards was much better than I expected, and the delivery was lightning fast - about a day and a half after I sent him an email saying the deal is a go. These cards are in really sharp shape, generally Ex/Mt with a few even better. Sorry to say that all the cards were on my want list and are now in the album, but if anyone's in the market for 1961-63 Post or generally any 1950's, 1960's, 1970's vintage cards, John is the go-to guy. So do yourself a post-Christmas favor and get in touch with John for the commons, stars, and superstars that Santa didn't bring you. He's at oldbbcards@aol.com, and he's never, ever steered me wrong. Peace out (my 15-year-old goddaughter told me that is a cool thing to say), Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Willie hears ya. Willie doon't care." (Groundskeeper Willie, on The ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 19:15:03 EST Subject: Availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com Used my snow day today to clean up some binders. Found the following; feel free to claim any before they go into the dupes box: 1968 Topps: 1969 Topps: 1970 Topps: 1970 Topps Booklets: 1971 Topps: 1972 Topps: 1973 Topps: 1974 Team CLs (Red Borders) Giants, Rangers. 1976 Traded: 1976 Topps: Condition is rough on some, let me know if that's an issue. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 01:41:48 EST Subject: Go Buckeyes! To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com That had to be one of the best college football games ever played, at least in terms of excitement. And with this win, Ohio State joins my other team, the Mount Union Purple Raiders, for a combined record of 28-0. I hope my teams do a little better next season. ================= To: Subject: OBC T-SHIRTS Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 08:05:14 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" OBC T-SHIRTS A new t-shirt/banner business opened up here in my local town, and I thought it would be neat to get T-shirts made for OBC. I ran the idea through theOBCAC and have their approval to take the lead on this project. The OBCAC has agreed to pay for the set up and artwork costs, which will help keep the overall price to our members down. These will be quality shirts with quality screening and artwork. Right now I do not know how much each shirt will cost, but I imagine they will be less than $20 shipping included. We are not going to keep an inventory of shirts on stock, I will order only the amount of T-shirts that the OBC members want and pay for. Part of the cost of the shirts is based on how many shirts are ordered and that is what this message is about. This message is only to let me know about how many shirts will be ordered to determine the cost per shirt. Please email me at larry.tipton@netzero.net and let me know if you think you would order a shirt. Any suggestions for designs or logos or any other advice is welcome, as I have never done this before. ================= To: Subject: Gurus Great Adventure Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 20:22:54 -0500 From: "larry.tipton" Gurus Great Adventure I had to make the big trip to Jacksonville this morning to exchange a couple of shirts at the GAP. Stopped off at a greasy spoon for a ham and cheese omelet. No toast, no potatoes, no grits, just the omelet. Is anyone else trying Dr Atkins approach to weight loss? Back on I-95 S to St Augustine to check out a card/antique store I had seen a few months before. The shop had two 800 count boxes of football cards 25c each or 100 cards for $20. Most cards were early 70s but there were quite a few 60s Topps and Philadelphia football mixed in. They hadn't been touched since my last visit. A small box of 1963 Topps baseball cards for 75c each, and also a dollar box, but really nothing caught my eye. I did purchase the four 1953 Topps cards that were in that dollar box. I took the beach route home northbound and visited a card shop that had about fifty kids inside playing a Yu-Gi-Oh tournament, which I didn't understand, but it was neat to see all those kids and some parents there. I had never been to this shop and there were quite a few "vintage" cards in the glass cases (When did we start calling these things "vintage"?). I asked for a price on a 1956 Topps Phil Rizzuto that had "vintage" scotch tape on all four sides and was quoted a price of twenty dollars! Well I wanted to buy something so I picked up two 1958 Topps team cards marked and tore up for $1.50 each Pittsburgh Pirates with Clemente and Boston Red Sox with Ted Williams. Next visit was to a shop where I have been before and I had a little betterluck. I bought a VG-EX 1967 Topps card #571 Larry Sherry that was actuallyone of the last ten cards I need to complete this set. Also stocked the dupe box with nine 1962 Topps including (2) #527 Dick McAuliffe rookies, (2) #577 SP, (2) #585 SP, (3) 1963 Hi #s, 1965 Topps Orioles team card #572, and 1967 Topps White Sox team card #573. Fifteen total cards for $20 plus tax. Overall not a bad way to waste an afternoon. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2003 23:12:45 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy First Birthday to Kevin James Thomas From: Neal Thomas A bit of reflection on the past year. We have had some bad news health-wise in OBC this past year, so I want to brighten spirits a bit with some good news. Many of you may remember this: Exactly one year ago today, Terri and I were taken very much by surprise when our third son, Kevin, decided to enter this world a bit early—okay, a lot early—13 weeks early, to be exact. He was just a shade over 2 pounds when he was born, and I can remember that night as if it were yesterday. In fact, I can remember this time, a little after 11:00, especially well. Kevin wasn’t doing too well, and was being switched to a special ventilator since his lungs were so bad. In the meantime, Terri was having tons of bleeding problems after her emergency C- section. Since I work in a Pediatric Intensive Care Unit, maybe I see the worst of things, and maybe I have learned to expect the worst. But just after 11 pm on January 4th, 2002, I thought for sure I was going to lose my best friend and the greatest wife and mother in the world, as well as my defenseless newborn son, all in the same night. I sat down in the hallway and cried, prayed and cried some Well, Terri is much tougher than me, and turned around by the next morning. It took Kevin a bit longer, but 77 days after he was born, we brought him home. He is now 1 year old, 22 pounds of pure muscle (okay, maybe not, but pure baby fat doesn’t sound so tough!) and gets into the chaos that his two older brothers create daily. I look at him and can hardly remember that 2 pound baby and the fight he put up in the hospital. It is times like this that I realize how truly lucky and blessed I am. I received tons of encouragement from OBCers around this time last year, and I wanted to share with all of you how much it meant to me. Happy New Year. ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:29:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: east coast national From: dsh46@aol.com hey kids: is anybody planning on attending the white plains show in two weeks? i am leaning toward going--the exact date depends upon the giants fate in the playoffs but i expect i would attend on saturday. almost went to a lame local show today to try and cull some 67 high nos but am glad i didn't as i opened scd and saw the dates for white plains. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: '69 Topps Bench available Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 12:33:14 -0800 From: "John Collins" Hi all, I have a 1969 Topps Johnny Bench #95 that I would like to trade for anotherstar or something of similar value from one of the sets I'm working on. The card is centered well with corner wear being the only real problem. There are no creases. I would grade it in the VG/EX range. Scans availableby Below are some of the sets I'm working on, in order of priority. Let me know if you're interested and have something to trade !! 1954 Red Heart (still need 22 out of the 33) 1956 Topps 1958 Topps (just started) 1962 Topps (just started) or checkout my full wantlist at: http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/topps56/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Emailing: www.baseball-almanac Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:57:23 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Cheryl, the Dutch Daulton fan, found this link. Most of you may already know about it, but it's a paradise of anything baseball all under one Thought you would want to bookmark it. >From: " Cheryl Chambers" >To: >Subject: Emailing: www.baseball-almanac >Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 23:19:35 -0600 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from relay02.roc.frontiernet.net ([66.133.131.35]) by >mc1-f29.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Fri, 3 Jan >2003 21:19:47 -0800 >Received: (qmail 6251 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 05:19:46 -0000 >Received: from unknown (HELO z8x3k7) ([170.215.125.35]) >(envelope-sender ) by >relay02.roc.frontiernet.net (FrontierMTA 2.3.2) with SMTP for >; 4 Jan 2003 05:19:46 -0000 >Message-ID: <000e01c2b3b0$e0d64530$237dd7aa@z8x3k7> >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 >Return-Path: blueyedvol@citlink.net >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2003 05:19:47.0637 (UTC) >Your files are attached and ready to send with this message. MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:08:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Autographs part 2 From: "mikesportsfan " As I reported yesterday on the Thanks server, Ron Perry and I went to "Sportsfest" in Novi, MI yesterday. There were some Red Wing Alumni (the Red Wings Alumni includes former players who were necessarily on the Red Wings, but join them for Old Timer games) and former and current Tigers. Yesterday I got 31 autographs. Went back again today and the lines were much shorter. Wish I had known who all was going to be there and had picked up more for tehm to sign. Some of the players had 8 x 10 B 7 W photos but were signing using a black marker. Not the best combo for autographing, but hey they were free. Today I was able to get 34 autographs, mainly Alex Dewlvecchio's, Nick Libbetts and some former Bruin Darren Banks. Also got a couple Eddie Murray and Charlie Sanders (former Lions), Brandon Inge (current Tiger), John Ogrodnick. I also culd have gotten multiples of Paul McKinnon (former Washington Capital) but had nothing for him to sign. Did not spend a penny at the show. Left there and went to a 24 hour Post Office to mil out a half dozen packages and then went to a card shop around the corner. Picked up a 1934 Goudey high number Kiki Cuyler, reducing that set to 4 and my second 1941 Goudey. My definition (1 is a type; 2 is a collection) means I am now working on the set, if anyone has some to trade. What a sports weekend. Wings game Friday with Mark Talbot. Saturday card shows and a visit with Ron PErry and Sunday, autographs and a card shop. Tomorrow I am supposed to go to the Pistons game in one of the suites, complements of one of my customers. 2003 is starting on a roll. Now if I could just get a few hits to the 1948-1951 Mike Rich ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: email is on the Fritz Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:42:21 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" There is some problem with our receiving email at the moment. SBC Ameritechis working on fixing it. Hopefully within the next few days, George Vrechek ================= To: Subject: January 25th Show Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:48:41 -0500 From: It's time for my annual invitation to the best show Rhode Island has to offer. It's a one day show that runs from 8:30 - 4:00. There are 120 tables and plenty of vintage to be found. I plan on being there early to get to the bargain boxes before they all get picked over. The show is at the West Valley Inn in West Warwick. The address is just Blossom St. It is only about 5 minutes off Rt. 95. A few guys have already said they may be coming so letshave an OBC get together. LMK if you plan on going so we can meet. Thanks. ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:57:11 EST Subject: A couple rambles... checklists for players and scanner wanted To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... just a couple things I thought I'd share with the group: (1) I've noticed that a lot of folks have been asking questions lately about getting lists of all cards for a player. While the old alphabetical baseball checklist books are great, there is, in my opinion, a much quicker way to create a wantlist. While I hate to mention and give kudos to Buckett, their website, Beckett.com, has an area now where you can go in and create your own "collection". One of the tools for creating your online collection is a wizard that guides you through steps where you can search for all cards of any player. When you've completed the steps, an amazingly comprehensive list appears, showing all cards that Beckett has catalogued WITHOUT the goofy abbreviations used in the printed version of the alphabetical checklist. Once the list of cards appears for the player, you can go ahead and just copy and paste them into a spreadsheet (they seem to be tab delimited!). I've used it extensively for my daughter's Shawn Green wantlists and will be using it to updated my wantlists for other players. (2) On a totally different bent, I was wondering if any of you might have a scanner for sale/trade that would work with a Macintosh PowerBook 3400c. It would have to work with Mac and have a SCSI interface (rather than USB or FireWire). If anyone has upgraded their equipment and has one of these dinosaurs left behind, I'd love to hear from ya. Likewise, if you have any suggestions about what scanners are decent for this type of old equipment, I'd appreciate input on that as well. I was going to just go to e-bay to try to find one but thought I'd rather spend $$ to someone within the group if Ok, that's enough for one day! Take care and have a great evening! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Who else is bored? 1952 topps oddity Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 20:51:26 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Ok, I was looking at my virtual high number complete set at: http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/cards.html and I noticed that Connie Marrero #317 has his printed name *UNDER* his autograph. No other high number has that... So, I go check my nearly complete "rest of the set" and find only #180 Charles Maxwell with the same situation. Near as I can tell, these two cards are like this because the long names coupled with a logo that takes up space, forced the issue. So, top that for useless baseball card trivia :) Find your '52 topps expert and ask if he can name these two players... you will then now if he is the real deal, or a pretender :) Oh, let me know if you find any more :) ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:03:33 -0500 To: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: Who else is bored? 1952 topps oddity From: Dan Austin Also, I spotted: #48 - name printed to the side #155 - name on bottom I have scans of the full set posted here if anyone else wants to try and dig any deeper... http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/52topps/52topps.html - Dan At 08:51 PM 1/5/03, you wrote: >Ok, I was looking at my virtual high number complete set at: >http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/cards.html >and I noticed that Connie Marrero #317 has his printed name >*UNDER* his autograph. No other high number has that... >So, I go check my nearly complete "rest of the set" and find >only #180 Charles Maxwell with the same situation. Near as >I can tell, these two cards are like this because the long names >coupled with a logo that takes up space, forced the issue. >So, top that for useless baseball card trivia :) Find your >'52 topps expert and ask if he can name these two players... >you will then now if he is the real deal, or a pretender :) >Oh, let me know if you find any more :) ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:12:31 EST Subject: Trips Travels! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com OBC - It looks like I will be on the road again (Ken Morganti suggested I should report when I am at home). I leave for Sacramento tomorrow for the entire week and then head to Washington, D.C. again for an extended detail (60 to 90 days). I don't have the exact dates yet and hope to work around the Vegas trip. Margaret will not like missing Vegas she doesn't have an * yet! I will try and take my laptop to keep in touch with all the email. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cap Anson / baseball bibliography Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2003 04:23:51 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Hello all-- I am starting a project on Cap Anson, and looking for sources. It's been a half-dozen years since I frantically consumed all the writing on baseball history I could find, so I'm a little out of the loop. The favor I ask of all of you history buffs and readers out there is this: What books/magazine/journal articles do you know of that have some space devoted to Anson? At this point, I want everything beyond the basics (i.e. more than the stats and the bare-bones biographical data). I'm particularly interested in drumming up the books about 19th century baseball that have been published in the last 5-10 years, as well as books that are out-of-print and thus less easy for me to find by searching internet For now, just send me the bibliographical info (title, author, year of pub.) ... while I may beg you for borrowing privileges at some point in the future, I'm not going to do that quite yet. Oh, and any Cap Anson cards? You can send those my way, too :). Jeff Sackmann Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= To: "Jeffrey Sackmann" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cap Anson / baseball bibliography Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 08:27:08 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" If you really want to get everything, try the BB Index. http://www.baseballindex.org/ However, it is not free as it only displays the first 50 hits on a search. Good luck! -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Sackmann [mailto:jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:24 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Cap Anson / baseball bibliography Hello all-- I am starting a project on Cap Anson, and looking for sources. It's been a half-dozen years since I frantically consumed all the writing on baseball history I could find, so I'm a little out of the loop. The favor I ask of all of you history buffs and readers out there is this: What books/magazine/journal articles do you know of that have some space devoted to Anson? At this point, I want everything beyond the basics (i.e. more than the stats and the bare-bones biographical data). I'm particularly interested in drumming up the books about 19th century baseball that have been published in the last 5-10 years, as well as books that are out-of-print and thus less easy for me to find by searching internet For now, just send me the bibliographical info (title, author, year of pub.) ... while I may beg you for borrowing privileges at some point in the future, I'm not going to do that quite yet. Oh, and any Cap Anson cards? You can send those my way, too :). Jeff Sackmann Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 11:50:56 EST Subject: 54 Topps & Bowman ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Hi gang, Noticed on my few 54 Topps that the company wasn't consistent with the backs. If you stack the cards so the fronts are all vertical, flip the cards over - some of the backs face left, some face right. Now, I don't have many to compare - just wondering if they were this incinsistent all the way through the 54 run. Also, at a show yesterday I saw a 54 Bowman - but instead of the facsimile autograph, the player's name was printed on the bottom. Was this a common occurence with the cards in this set? The few I have all have the fake autograph. Can't recall which card it was, but it was a Red. ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 12:12:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: A day in radio present the Senators vs. the Indians To: obc ramblings From: Matthew http://xroads.virginia.edu/~1930s2/Radio/day/4pm.html Part of the larger "A day in the life of radio" project, this 1930s broadcast includes streamed play-by-play by Walter Johnson. He's got a nice, simple style, catch a few innings of "Ladies' Day" with the Big Train. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= To: "'OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com'" , Subject: computer problems Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 15:47:47 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hello All, I have a bit of a computer problem at home. I have an iMac and Saturday it just decided that it did not want to "fire-up", so I am out of the loop at home. If you wish to reach me for any reason you can email me here at work: talbotm@huronacademy.org. This is a drag, and if anyone has any expertise in iMac's and can shed some light that would be cool, I'm looking into a lithium battery that may need replacing but other than that I am lost. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: A nice book for cheap $ Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 16:21:38 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1987532554&category=31719 The prices are a little out of date, but all the checklists are there along with some nice pictures. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Cards in! Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 22:09:51 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Some terrific cards came through my mailbox today from Bill Henderson. I've been picking up a lot of good stuff from him of late, and these were no exception. I knocked a dozen '72 hi#s off my list, about the same in '63 hi#s, some mid-series 1966s, a '49B Tiger (Eddie Lake), and a real nice 1950B Bobby Thomson! Also on the auction front, I was lucky enough to pick up a '67 Mantle #150 at the weekend for the fantastic price of $22.50. Wow!! The good news is that I've also been left with a few dupes. Last week, I trawled through wantlists and sent out over 20 packages. I've got another 2 ready to go, but now I'm starting to tire. In other words, here's some availables.....Have at them! 1966: 284, 287, 291, 295, 297, 299, 304, 305, 308, 309, 312, 324, 332, 334 1972: 683 As usual, I'll do my best to "spread the wealth" as much as I can. ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2003 18:53:43 -0800 (PST) Subject: 3rd of 3 messages...I swear! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet These cards are being put on my waiver wire. First come first served. Return fire appreciated but not necessary (in any case, I probably owe you). 1954 Bowman FB: 33, 104. 1959 Topps FB: 3 (Lions), 31 (Eagles)...both in lesser shape. 1960 Topps FB: 1969 Topps FB: 1970 Fleer World Series: 24 (1927 series) 1970 Topps Super: 28 (Reggie), 39, 40 (Billy Williams). Have at 'em! Take care, Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 14:24:01 EST Subject: Eddie Murray and Gary Carter To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I love them both. although never a media favorite, Eddie Murray was a fan favorite (at least in Los Angeles). He signed a lot of stuff, shook hands with fans (myself included), and was generally a nice guy while in Los Angeles. Gary Carter was the same way in L.A. He was a media favorite and a fan favorite. Although both were at the end of their careers in L.A. they were great to watch and fun to be around. Glad to see them both in the HOF. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: No SANDBERG ??? Date: 7 Jan 2003 12:21:49 -0800 From: "John Collins" I am sitting here in somewhat a state of shock after learning that the BBWAA omitted Ryne Sandberg from this year's list of Hall of Famers. I had thought him to be a shoo-in, but I guess Sandberg was the easily the dominant 2nd baseman of his generation. He holds both the records for most homers by a 2nd baseman and fielding percentage for a 2nd baseman. In addition to an MVP season in 1984 and 9 consecutive gold gloves. I will admit that I grew up a Cubs fan watching Sandberg, and am somewhat biased, but come on. It is no secret that Sandberg was considered the best at his position for his era of players. That alone is usually a pretty reliable indicator of Hall of Fame worthiness. No disrespect to Eddie Murray, but is seems that every outfielder who can manage to hit .260 something or higher but hit 500 home runs automatically gets in. In fact, that IS the case, as there is nary a player with 500 homeruns not in the hall. Would anybody say that Murray was absolutely the best at his position during his era? The 500 homer thing seems to be almost of even more prominence now. Remember when Canseco finally hung it up, and all of the news stories that flew around about him almost "automatically" not being Hall-worthy because he had fallen short of 500 homers? Give me a break. You all know full and well that if Roger Maris had 500 homers, a 20 points-lower batting average, and you took away both of his MVP awards, he would probably be in the Hall. As it is, he has the other things but not the homers and isn't in, and probably won't be for a long time if I know the case is usually somewhat different for middle infielders, as they usually have to wait much longer to get in the hall based on fielding alone (Reese, Rizzuto, etc.) Even for 2nd sackers, Sandberg had way more homers and a higher batting average than Mazeroski, although Maz had to wait around forever until the veterans committe finally decided to put him in. AAH !! Just frustrated, thanks for letting me vent. -- John >--- Original Message --- >From: Wite3@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 1/7/03 9:24:01 AM I love them both. although never a media favorite, Eddie Murray was a fan >favorite (at least in Los Angeles). He signed a lot of stuff, shook hands >with fans (myself included), and was generally a nice guy while in Los >Angeles. Gary Carter was the same way in L.A. He was a media favorite and a >fan favorite. Although both were at the end of their careers in L.A. they >were great to watch and fun to be around. Glad to see them both in the HOF. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:30:58 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No SANDBERG ??? To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I think Sandberg was omitted because at one time he was a Phillie... ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 15:45:14 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No SANDBERG ??? To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i believe you are forgetting murray's 3000 hits! ================= To: Smartalecx@aol.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No SANDBERG ??? Date: 7 Jan 2003 12:53:55 -0800 From: "John Collins" Slight correction to the argument: I was not dissing Eddie Murray and his 500 homers AND 3000+ career hits. Yes, of course he deserves to be a first ballot hall of But come on Gary in Chicago, you have to back me up on Sandberg >--- Original Message --- >From: Smartalecx@aol.com >To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 1/7/03 10:45:14 AM i believe you are forgetting murray's 3000 hits! ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 17:55:30 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Carter is one of us From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Gary Carter's election to the Hall of Fame means that there is at least one very, very avid baseball card collector in Cooperstown (and there may be more). I interviewed Carter in spring training in 1981 in West Palm Beach, and at the time, he had every Topps complete set from 1959 to 1980. I can't imagine that he stopped, Topps was sending him complete sets at the beginning of each year. A great interview, a fine catcher, and a nice addition to the Hall. Eddie Murray too. A no-brainer, no matter how stoic or difficult he might have been. His numbers don't lie. ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:46:42 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Computer, New E-mail Address From: toppsrun368@aol.com We got a new computer and have finally been able to set up our new Internet/e-mai service after a long delay as a result of a bad video card packaged in our computer. With that said, my new e-mail address will be: If this change could be made on the site, in the directory, and in the yahoogroups, I would very much appreciate it. Also, if someone could instruct me on transfering my wantlist to the OBC page, that would be great, too. Thanks everyone, Brian Dwyer ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: posters Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2003 19:25:11 -0600 From: "terry ellis" can anyone help me? i have basketball posters 16 i think from 70s . how many in set? what year? value? thanks kit okamuro The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Price guide needed Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:51:34 +0000 From: Glenn Codere I'm hoping someone out there in OBC Land can help me out. Does anyone have a spare copy of a recent Beckett price guide? Not Beckett Baseball, but whichever one concentrates on vintage items nowadays. My only reason for needing this is so that I have some indication on what to bid on ebay (and to tell when I'm about to be ripped off!). I've been operating with an mid-1999 issues of "Beckett Sports Collectibles", and although I do realise that things probably haven't changed all that much, I'd still like to bring myself a bit more up to date. Cheers for now! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 11:24:17 EST Subject: HOF venting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com As an admittedly biased observer, let me throw my two cents in for a guy who seems to get no respect from the Hall voters: David Concepcion. While not as flashy or media-friendly as Ozzie Smith, Davy was the dominant shortstop of his era; he was Ozzie before there was an Ozzie. He perfected the "Astroturf-bounce" throw to first, and was the rock in the Reds' infield defense. The guy could simply pick it! He's overlooked, in my opinion, for these reasons: * The overwhelming personalities of the other stars of the Big Red Machine - Bench, Rose, Morgan & Perez; * The fact that, as a Latin player, his command of the English language wasn't very good - & thus he didn't get the opportunities to interact with the media that his teammates did. Lastly, let me add that if Rizzuto, Reese, & Mazeroski are Hall Of Famers, then David Ismael Concepcion's plaque deserves to be in Cooperstown too. As a sidenote to the voting process - how in the HECK can any sportswriter cast HOF ballots for Brett Butler, Daryl Kile, & Vince Coleman? The voting rights of any sportswriter who wastes a ballot on mediocre players should be ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:07:00 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Brett Butler? YES To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I voted for Brett Butler. Why? Look at his numbers....In 17 years in the bigs, Butler had 2375 hits (nearly a fourth of these infield hits---he was the master of the bunt!!), a career .290 avg., 558 Stolen bases, over 1300 runs scored and over a 1000 walks, a great fielding avg. (one of the better fielders I have seen---he was Darin Erstad before Erstad). He played with heart and helped win pennants. He always hustled and was great. He was not a mediocre player. He was a little guy in a big guys game. He deserves to be in...heck, look at Johnny Evers stats or Rizzuto, or some of the other guys who are "mediocre" players....oh and just for comparison: Concepcion had less hits, walks, runs scored, RBIs, avg., walks, and sbs than Butler. And he played two more years...check out the lines below from baseball-almanac.com Dave Concepcion 19 Years 2,488 8,723 2,326 389 48 101 993 950 736 93 1,186 74 86 21 .267 .322 .357 Brett Butler 17 Years 2,213 8,180 2,375 277 131 54 1,359 578 1,129 23 907 147 51 38 .290 .377 .376 My two cents...Joshua ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Brett Butler? YES Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 09:18:47 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" no arguments from me Josh! ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Brett Butler? YES I voted for Brett Butler. Why? Look at his numbers....In 17 years in the bigs, Butler had 2375 hits (nearly a fourth of these infield hits---he was the master of the bunt!!), a career .290 avg., 558 Stolen bases, over 1300 runs scored and over a 1000 walks, a great fielding avg. (one of the betterfielders I have seen---he was Darin Erstad before Erstad). He played with heart and helped win pennants. He always hustled and was great. He was not a mediocre player. He was a little guy in a big guys game. He deserves to be in...heck, look at Johnny Evers stats or Rizzuto, or some of the other guys who are "mediocre" players....oh and just for comparison: Concepcion hadless hits, walks, runs scored, RBIs, avg., walks, and sbs than Butler. Andhe played two more years...check out the lines below from baseball-almanac.com Dave Concepcion 19 Years 2,488 8,723 2,326 389 48 101 993 950 736 93 1,186 74 86 21 .267 .322 .357 Brett Butler 17 Years 2,213 8,180 2,375 277 131 54 1,359 578 1,129 23 907 147 51 38 .290 .377 .376 My two cents...Joshua Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:28:20 EST Subject: HOF venting--Anti-Cub To: Wite3@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I can't believe Sandberg got less than 50% of the vote. He was an all star for 10 years and the dominant second basement of his time. Lee Smith was the dominent relief pitcher. Cubs don't get no respect. - Doug ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:44:25 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub To: TraderDoug@aol.com, Wite3@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com like it or not, the is a distinction made between 1st time eligible electees and all others. only a very select few make it on the 1st ballot. i would bet that sandberg will make it in someday. but is he deserving of a 1st time eligible election? probably not. by the way, i believe bert blyleven, with almost 290 wins and over 3,000 strikeouts will now have to get in via the veterans route. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: butler Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 11:46:08 -0600 From: "terry ellis" it was a hair thing, kit okamuro MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 17:59:42 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" No respect? Try being a Tigers fan! -----Original Message----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com [mailto:Traderdoug@aol.com] Sent: 08 January 2003 17:28 To: Wite3@aol.com; DirectorTH@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub I can't believe Sandberg got less than 50% of the vote. He was an all star for 10 years and the dominant second basement of his time. Lee Smith was the dominent relief pitcher. Cubs don't get no respect. - Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: hof Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 12:20:50 -0600 From: "terry ellis" lets have a poll. if you had the power to install 1 player into hall of fame whom would it be my choice is colavito thanks heres my two cents usc beats ohiost and miami both Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com TraderDoug@aol.com Wite3@aol.com DirectorTH@aol.com OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub Date: 8 Jan 2003 10:40:51 -0800 From: "John Collins" I would agree with Gary's statement that there is indeed a distinction drawn between Hall of Famers and first-ballot Hall of Famers. That plus the writers can be a very cynical group. There are some older writers who will not vote for anyone their first time up, which ensures that nobody will ever be elected unanimously. Unlike Gary though, I would argue that Sandberg was a deserving first balloter, because of the fact that he was generally regarded to be the best at his position during his career. But, I guess that is an intangible quality, that (unlike 500 HR's or 3000 hits) is too subjective to always count. One other example of a HOFer who should have gone in on the first ballot but didn't: Bob Gibson. >--- Original Message --- >From: smartalecx@aol.com >To: TraderDoug@aol.com, Wite3@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 1/8/03 7:44:25 AM like it or not, the is a distinction made between 1st time eligible >and all others. only a very select few make it on the 1st ballot. >i would bet that sandberg will make it in someday. but is he deserving of a >1st time eligible election? probably not. >by the way, i believe bert blyleven, with almost 290 wins and over 3,000 >strikeouts will now have to get in via the veterans route. ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 14:00:27 EST Subject: Ultimate in No Respect To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com The leader in hits and fielding percentage for CF for the entire decade of the 1950s was enshrined nearly 35 years after he retired. All because he was a Phillie. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 14:49:02 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Interesting you should bring up Blyleven. I believe (and Ray agrees) that he should be in the Hall. He has been ignored because he didn't get 300 wins but check out his numbers. Strikeouts - 5th all time with 3701 The top 13 are all in the Hall except for Clemens and R.Johnson who both should get in when they are eligible. Wins - 24th all time with 287 The top 26 are in except for Clemens, Bobby Mathews (297 wins in the 1870's and 80's) and Tommy John (288 wins). Clemens (293) is the only player who started his career after Bert (1970) who has more wins. Bert won more than Jenkins (284), Palmer (268), Marichal (243), Bunning (224) plus others that are in the Hall. Shutouts - 9th all time with 60 The top 23 are in the Hall. All 23 except for Blyleven who is 9th! Clemens is the active leader with 45 (28th all time) His career numbers are 287-250, 3701 K's, and a 3.31 ERA. He had one of the best curveballs of all time, his post season record was 5-1 with a 2.47 and he was part of 2 World Champions. He's got my vote. >From: smartalecx@aol.com >To: TraderDoug@aol.com, Wite3@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub >Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 12:44:25 EST >like it or not, the is a distinction made between 1st time eligible >and all others. only a very select few make it on the 1st ballot. >i would bet that sandberg will make it in someday. but is he deserving of >1st time eligible election? probably not. >by the way, i believe bert blyleven, with almost 290 wins and over 3,000 >strikeouts will now have to get in via the veterans route. MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 19:02:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF venting--Anti-Cub To: John Collins From: Mark S Talbot    Lots of good arguments out there for many fav's, here's my two cents about players that are either constantly overlooked or do not have a prayer unless the veterans committee selects them in 20 years or

Mickey Lolich
Lou Whitaker
Alan Trammell
Jack Morris

    Jack and Alan got votes this year and will be eligible again next, "Sweet Lou" was eliminated last year for not getting the required 5% and Mickey fell off the ballot after hanging around for some 10 years w/o getting the nod.  I could argue these fine players accomplishments but will leave that to the legion of Tiger fans out there that are sure to agree with me.
    In the final analysis, this discussion comes up year after year.  Only a few can be chosen for this high honor and I am in full agreement that the two who have made it this year are fully deserving of the honor.  It's just too bad all our favorites can't be there with them.  BE WELL!!!!

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John Collins wrote:

 
I would agree with Gary's statement that there is indeed a distinction
drawn between Hall of Famers and first-ballot Hall of Famers.
  That plus the writers can be a very cynical group.  There are
some older writers who will not vote for anyone their first time
up, which ensures that nobody will ever be elected unanimously.
  Unlike Gary though, I would argue that Sandberg was a deserving
first balloter, because of the fact that he was generally regarded
to be the best at his position during his career.   But, I guess
that is an intangible quality, that (unlike 500 HR's or 3000
hits) is too subjective to always count.

One other example of a HOFer who should have gone in on the first
ballot but didn't:  Bob Gibson.

>--- Original Message ---
>From: smartalecx@aol.com
>To: TraderDoug@aol.com, Wite3@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Date: 1/8/03 7:44:25 AM
like it or not, the is a distinction made between 1st time eligible
>and all others.  only a very select few make it on the 1st
>i would bet that sandberg will make it in someday.  but is
deserving of a
>1st time eligible election? probably not.
>by the way, i believe bert blyleven, with almost 290 wins and
over 3,000
>strikeouts will now have to get in via the veterans route.

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================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 00:46:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: HOF vs. HOM From: "mikesportsfan " If all our favs get in, Grant will have to close down the HOM. As for Mark's comments of all the Tigers being ignored I think he is being a "HOMer". Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 20:11:36 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting HOF discussion From: toppsrun368@aol.com With all the talk of who should and shouldn't be in the Hall, I found this interesting comparison on a sports message board. Does anyone have any thoughts on the "odd man out" in this stat comparison? "Player 1 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB 2456 8680 1074 2472 483 47 248 1389 21 33 855 694 .285 .348 .437 3793 8 Time All-Star, 1 World Series Apperance (Losing Team), 0 Gold Gloves Player 2 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB 2499 8756 1276 2356 421 47 376 1330 128 58 849 1386 .269 .341 .457 3999 11 Time All-Star, 1 World Series Appearance (Losing Team), 1 Gold Glove Player 3 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG TB 2296 7971 1025 2092 371 31 324 1225 39 42 848 997 .262 .335 .439 3497 11 Time All-Star, 1 World Series Appearance (Winning Team), 3 Gold Gloves Note that Player 1 has a higher lifetime batting average and on-base percentage than both Player 2 and Player 3, and that his slugging percentage is only slighly lower than Player 3. Also note that all three players played in approximately the same number of games with fairly similar career totals. The hints are as follows: All three players were catchers who played during approximately the same seasons. Each played in one and only one World Series. Player 2 and Player 3 were elected to the Hall of Fame. Player 1 could not even garner the minimum amount of votes (5 percent) to stay on the ballot. Answer below: Player 1 is Ted Simmons Player 2 is Carlton Fisk Player 3 is Gary Carter" Does anyone have any thoughts on Simmons? Any reason why he doesn't come up more often and didn't receive the necessary 5%? I really don't have much of an opinion on this subject, but I do believe Murray was a solid selection. Carter, although he may not have superstar numbers at first glance, was consistent and, when his position and era of play is taken into account, his stats take on a new dimension. I was, like many of you, surprised to see that Ryno didn't even garner 50% of the vote. Also surprised that some guys got as many votes as they did. Darryl Kile? Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:08:18 -0500 Subject: a couple more HOF comparisons To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT It seems all too often in this age that benchmark stats are the all important criteria used by many of the baseball writers. Here are some stats from pitchers and players with shorter careers. In the player catagory--both players careers were shortened by injuries. In both cases player A is in the HOF. Pitcher A Pitcher B W-165 W-170 L-87 L-91 W. Per-.655 .651 both had 3-20 win seasons K-2396 K-1778 SHO-40 SHO-26 IP-2324 IP-2392 Batter A Batter B AB-7244 AB-7003 H-2304 H-2153 2B-414 2B-442 HR-207 HR-222 R-1071 R-1007 RBI-1085 RBI-1099 AVE-.318 AVE-.307 6 gold gloves 9 gold gloves Pitcher A is Sandy Koufax whose career centers around only five incredible years. Would he be voted to the Hall in today's statistic dominated vote? Pitcher B happens to be Ron Guidry whose career was also dominated by a few incredible years. Don't know if the comparison works--but Bert Blyleven's status sure does bode another look. Batter A is Kirby Puckett whose career was shortened by an eye disease. Player B is Don Mattingly whose career was shortened due to chronic back stiffness. I think you can have a debate as to who you would build a team around. I find it hard to believe that Mattingly received only 68 votes. Very similar stats (and Sandberg's are probably similar as well) and yet Puckett was a first vote nominee. Go figure-- And who on earth voted for El Sid and Danny Tartabull. Who is the joke on? My two-cents (or maybe 20) ramble, peter mead ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Email off the fritz Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:30:57 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" My email had been on the fritz but now is apparently OK. If anyone has emailed me lately without success, please try again. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 02:30:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '62 Post Availables From: "jimbo777777 " Howdy folks, Three '62 Posties looking for a good home tonight: #21 Dick Brown, #33 Gus Triandos and #40 Tito Francona. I actually have two extra Gusses, but don't dilly, don't dally. Get your Gusses whilst they're hot! ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:34:16 -0500 To: alcazar@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting HOF discussion From: toppsrun368@aol.com If guys like Kile get sympathy votes, does that raise another question regarding the number of votes that each voting member gets? 25 spots available for each of the 492 or so writers and others that vote. It's just interesting that after quality votes are used up, remaining votes can nonchalantly be tossed around. Just really thinking "aloud." My first $.02 ramble as an OBCer; yay! ================= To: Subject: HOF Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:36:30 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" My 2 cents worth on the HOF voting: I am convinced that a certain number of writers will not vote for a player on his first year of eligibility and some stretch that for more then one year just on principle. There are writers that vote the way they write. They write about the flashy guys because they are good for stories. They vote for these guys first, then go check the numbers for a couple of other guys they've ignored for the last few years. Players are excluded because of other players that are excluded becauseof other players that are excluded... Meaning, Kaat doesn't get a vote because Blyleven's not in, who can't get a vote because John's not in, who can't get a vote because Morris's not in. If those guys can't get in how can we vote for Gossage? If he's not in why should Sutter get in? Well, if he's not in how do you vote for Smith? Rice, Dawson, Murphy, Garvey and others are holding each other back. When one of them finally gets in it will eventually drag the others in too. The top ten or twelve candidates for next year, (including Eck, Molitor, Carter) are very close in stature. The decade of the 80s is getting little respect for various reasons and many of these candidates will eventually get into the hall through the veterans committee. I think there may be a shutout next year though. Sandberg, Eck and Molitor each hit about 65 to 70%. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 21:46:43 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF To: yazmon@sigecom.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com joe carter should not get in next year SOLELY based on the fact that he may be, and i doubt i would get much argument in chicago, the WORST baseball announcer in the major leagues. fortunately, steve stone is coming back so they can put carter out to pasture to live on the glory of the one home run he hit that meant anything. HOF career? i sure hope not! gm ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No SANDBERG ??? Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 15:26:17 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" For some reason, some of the dominant players of the 80s have gotten no respect. Sandberg is one of the top 5 all-around second basemen. Dale Murphywon 2 MVPs and was a consistent producer. Jack Morris won more games in the 80s than anyone, plus won 3 World Series in his career; Game 7 of the 91Series was one of the best performances EVER. Andre Dawson combined powerand speed even though his knees kept him from possibly being at the Mays/Bonds level, he still managed nearly 500 HRs and over 300 steals. My .02 ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 22:20:45 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF From: Carlos Alcazar Since I was/am a Joe Carter fan I think I should include some defense on his behalf, I am not going to argue the announcer thing, so I'm going to move on from here. But I would like to remind you that Joe was a very consistent run producer in the late 80's and early 90's, including 10 100+ RBI's seasons when 100 RBI's meant something. His average full season stats were 29 HR's and 107 RBI, maybe not great in today's MLB but I would say they are respectable. And finally since everyone has comparisons how about: Joe Carter - 5 All-Star Appearances - Played his first full season at 25, his last at 37 (13 full seasons) Games: 2189 Runs: 1170 Hits: 2184 HR: 396 RBI: 1445 SB: 231 AVG: .259 (The legitimate knock on his career) Player B: - 7 All-Star Appearances - Played his first full season at 22, his last at 35 (14 full seasons) - 2 time MVP Games: 2180 Runs: 1197 Hits: 2111 HR: 398 RBI: 1266 SB: 161 AVG: .265 Player B is Dale Murphy. At 09:46 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: joe carter should not get in next year SOLELY based on the fact that he may be, and i doubt i would get much argument in chicago, the WORST baseball announcer in the major leagues. fortunately, steve stone is coming back so they can put carter out to pasture to live on the glory of the one home run he hit that meant anything. HOF career? i sure hope not! gm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: At 09:46 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, smartalecx@aol.com wrote: >joe carter should not get in next year SOLELY based on the fact that he >may be, and i doubt i would get much argument in chicago, the WORST >baseball announcer in the major leagues. fortunately, steve stone is >coming back so they can put carter out to pasture to live on the glory of >the one home run he hit that meant anything. HOF career? i sure hope >not! gm >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2003 21:34:06 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF From: Gary Pearce At 12:20 AM 1/9/03, Carlos Alcazar wrote; >And finally since everyone has comparisons how about: >Joe Carter >Player B: >Player B is Dale Murphy. One of my favorite features at baseball-reference.com is their lists of most similar players. The 10 most similar players to Murphy (on a 1000 point scale) are 1.Joe Carter (901) 2.Duke Snider (880) * 3.Don Baylor (875) 4.Ron Santo (875) 5.Gil Hodges (873) 6.George Foster (865) 7.Jack Clark (862) 8.Lee May (857) 9.Bobby Bonilla (851) 10.Darrell Evans (850) One Hall of Famer (noted by the *), one guy who should be in (Santo), and 8 more good-but-not-great sluggers. Murphy's an interesting case. The most comparable to Murphy through Murphy's age 28-35 seasons every year was Reggie Jackson. Reggie's in and Dale's out because Murphy only played 44 games after his age 35 season while Reggie was able to play regularly for 6 more years to build on his career totals. Carter has just one more HoFer on his comp list: 1.Dale Murphy (901) 2.Andres Galarraga (883) 3.Don Baylor (864) 4.Jim Rice (864) 5.Orlando Cepeda (861) * 6.Gary Gaetti (860) 7.Chili Davis (857) 8.Willie Stargell (837) * 9.Lee May (836) 10.Dwight Evans (836) and Cepeda is -- at best -- extremely marginal. Neither would be the worst player in the hall, but "better than Tony Perez" isn't much of a HoF ================= To: , "Carlos Alcazar" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:35:45 -0800 From: "John Collins" See, again we are playing with the 500 home run stat here. If Joe Carter had 500 career home runs to go along with that .259 batting average, his HOFinclusion could be justified by two words: Harmon Killebrew. Hard hitting Harmon may have had 573 career homers, but his lifetime average was only.256. Were it not for his winning the 1969 MVP award and consistantly finishing high in the voting, I would consider him unworthy. But I guess that brings to light exactly how important the home run is to the game. On another completely different note, here's hoping that the veterans committee finally enshrines Gil Hodges this year. .273 lifetime average, 370 homers, 2 years 40+ homers, 4 years 30+ homers, and 7 consecutive years of 100+ RBI for a team that was usually a pennant winner. Put him in the hallalong with the rest of the boys of summer. -- John ----- Original Message ----- From: Carlos Alcazar To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF Since I was/am a Joe Carter fan I think I should include some defense on his behalf, I am not going to argue the announcer thing, so I'm going to move on fromhere. But I would like to remind you that Joe was a very consistent run producer in the late 80's and early 90's, including 10 100+ RBI's seasons when 100 RBI's meant something. His average full season stats were 29 HR's and 107 RBI, maybe not great in today's MLB but I would say they are respectable. And finally since everyone has comparisons how about: Joe Carter - 5 All-Star Appearances - Played his first full season at 25, his last at 37 (13 full seasons) Games: 2189 Runs: 1170 Hits: 2184 HR: 396 RBI: 1445 SB: 231 AVG: .259 (The legitimate knock on his career) Player B: - 7 All-Star Appearances - Played his first full season at 22, his last at 35 (14 full seasons) - 2 time MVP Games: 2180 Runs: 1197 Hits: 2111 HR: 398 RBI: 1266 SB: 161 AVG: .265 Player B is Dale Murphy. At 09:46 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: joe carter should not get in next year SOLELY based on the fact that he may be, and i doubt i would get much argument in chicago, the WORST baseball announcer in the major leagues. fortunately, steve stone is coming back so they can put carter out to pasture to live on the glory of the one home run he hit that meant anything. HOF career? i sure hope not! gm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: At 09:46 PM 1/8/2003 -0500, smartalecx@aol.com wrote: >joe carter should not get in next year SOLELY based on the fact that he >may be, and i doubt i would get much argument in chicago, the WORST >baseball announcer in the major leagues. fortunately, steve stone is >coming back so they can put carter out to pasture to live on the glory of >the one home run he hit that meant anything. HOF career? i sure hope >not! gm >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 22:38:15 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok time for my two cents... I've always used the criteria of whether a player was a dominant player during his era. You can't compare what guys did in the 20s to what they did in the 80s, etc. I've always remembered guys like Fisk, Carter as the dominant catchers of their times. Mattingly is a tough call for me as he really compacted his career into some short time. Puckett would have made it if not for his injury anyway, but his career was a consistent one. I personally think someone like Keith Hernandez should garner more support. (ok I'm a NYer), but he was as good a clutch hitter as their was, he won an MVP and countless gold gloves. He revolutionized the defense of first base. Garvey is one of those guys who was just one of the best firstbasemen of the 70s. Good glove, good hitter, good power, perenial all star. I think we tend to forget how good they were for their times and all we look at are stats. Does Albert Belle belong? I think not...the era he played was a power era, he was very good, but I'd put Canseco in before him. Hitting 30 homers was a feat in the 70s (See Bill Melton leading the league with 32). For pitchers, Blyleven should be in..consistent, did well for some mediocre teams. I also think that free agency hurts some of these guys. If Garvey stayed in LA, his recognition would have stayed higher. Concepcion is a question mark for me...he played on turf (which made Manny Trillo a great defensive 2bman). Decent hitter in a great lineup. I'd put in Madlock before him. And lets start to recognize the relief pitcher. Sutter changed the way the relief pitcher was used. Gossage was a dominant force. These guys used to pitch from the 7th inning on, they were 'firemen'...came in to put a team in check and finish it off. Today's relievers just don't have to face what the others did in the 70s/80s. God forbid you bring your "best" pitcher in a tough spot to possibly fail! Ok these are just rambling thoughts... Carter a no brainer so is Murray. But I'm still voting for Hernandez! What a leader he was! ================= Date: 9 Jan 2003 05:52:05 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Here's your chance to vote for the Hall. I've listed some players who's names have been tossed around as well as some other border line players. I've also listed a few players from next years ballott and the two that made it this year. All Time rankings are in parenthesis. I didn't have room to include Pitchers. (GG-gold gloves) o Jose Canseco 1887 G, 1877 H, 1186 R, 462 HR(26), 1407 RBI(54), .266 BA -- 6 AS, MVP, ROY o Gary Carter 2296 G(88), 2092 H, 1025 R(81), 324 HR, 1225 RBI, .262 BA – 11 AS, 3 GG o Joe Carter 2189 G, 2184 H, 1170 R, 396 HR(37), 1445 RBI(47), .259 BA – 5 AS o Rocky Colavito 1841 G, 1730 H, 971 R, 374 HR(52), 1159 RBI, .266 BA – 6 AS o Dave Concepcion 2488 G(44), 2326 H, 993 R, 101 HR, 950 RBI, .267 BA – 9 AS, 5 GG o Andre Dawson 2627 G, 2774 H(42), 1373 R, 438 HR(29), 1591 RBI(27), .279 BA – 8 AS, 8 GG, MVP, ROY o Steve Garvey 2332 G(81), 2599 H(67), 1143 R, 272 HR, 1308 RBI(81), .294 BA – 10 AS, 4 GG, MVP o Keith Hernandez 2088 G, 2182 H, 1124 R, 162 HR, 1071 RBI, .296 BA – 5 AS, 11 GG, MVP o Gil Hodges 2071 G, 1921 H, 1105 R, 370 HR(54), 1274 RBI(94), .273 BA – 8 AS, 3 GG o Joe Jackson 1332 G, 1772 H, 873 R, 54 HR, 785 RBI, .356 BA(3) o Roger Maris 1463 G, 1325 H, 826 R, 275 HR, 851 RBI, .260 BA – 4 AS, GG, 2 MVP o Don Mattingly 1785 G, 2153 H, 1007 R, 222 HR, 1099 RBI, .307 BA – 6 AS, 9 GG, MVP o Paul Molitor 2683 G(26), 3319 H(9), 1782 R(17), 234 HR, 1307 RBI(82), .306 BA – 7 AS o Dale Murphy 2180 G, 2111 H, 1197 R, 398 HR(36), 1266 RBI(97), .265 BA – 7 AS, 5 GG, 2 MVP o Eddie Murray 3026 G(6), 3255 H(12), 1627 R(33), 504 HR(17), 1917 RBI(8), .287 BA-- 8 AS, 3 GG, ROY o Dave Parker 2466 G(50), 2712 H(51), 1272 R, 339 HR(70), 1493 RBI(41), .290 BA – 7 AS, 3 GG, MVP o Jim Rice 2089 G, 2452 H(88), 1249 R, 382 HR(43), 1451 RBI(46), .298 BA – 8 AS, MVP o Pete Rose 3562 G(1), 4256 H(1), 2165 R(5), 160 HR, 1314 RBI(77), .303 BA – 17 AS, 2 GG, MVP, ROY o Ryne Sandberg 2164 G, 2386 H(96), 1318 R(91), 282 HR, 1061 RBI, .285 BA – 10 AS, 9 GG, MVP o Ron Santo 2243 G(99), 2254 H, 1138 R, 342 HR(67), 1331 RBI(71), .277 BA – 9 AS, 5 GG o Ted Simmons 2456 G(51), 2472 H(80), 1074 R, 248 HR, 1389 RBI(56), .285 BA – 8 AS o Alan Trammell 2293 G(89), 2365 H, 1231 R, 185 HR, 1003 RBI, .285 BA – 6 AS, 4 GG o Joe Torre 2209 G, 2342 H, 996 R, 252 HR, 1185 RBI, .297 BA – 9 AS, GG, MVP To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=11015585 Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 04:10:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF vs. HOM To: "mikesportsfan " From: Mark S Talbot Sure Mike,

    I'm making shameless plugs for hometown heroes, I do believe that Jack will make it eventually, all the others will probably be wishful thinking.  BE WELL!!!

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 If all our favs get in, Grant will have to close down the HOM.  As
for Mark's comments of all the Tigers being ignored I think he
being a "HOMer".
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================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:04:36 EST Subject: In defense of Perez To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com It sounds like Tony Perez is being slammed as being not "Hall-Worthy" - and at worst, being the worst Hall of Famer?? Come on guys, have you checked his career numbers? He knocked on over 90 runs a season for 11 straight seasons - 12 of 14 straight seasons -and he hit 379 career HR & had a career .279 batting average. I would hardly qualify that as a poor selection for the HOF. My vote for worst HOF members: Joe Tinker/Johnny Evers/Frank Chance. Voted in because they had a neat little poem written about them. Three guys who should really be in the HOM, not the So how about an informal poll here - who do you all think would qualify as worst HOF members, & why? While we're still kicking it around - those receiving votes, & thus deemed among the top ten by some writers: Mark Davis, Tony Pena (!) Sid Fernandez. Those are wasted votes. I agree Sandberg should be voted in eventually, and Bert Blyleven as well. ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:27:56 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com here's something that hasn't been mentioned. the HOF really is becoming the HOM. in reality, there are entirely too many people being admitted. since when is it mandatory that above average players have to be admitted. unlike the nfl, which REQUIRES at least 4 players per year to be admitted, this is not the case for baseball. if one of the best 1st baseman of the 80s and 90s still had sub par #s compared to other inductees, that doesn't mean he needs to be elected. the mazeroski election jumps immediately to mind. remember when pie traynor was the only 3rd baseman in the hall? no one else was worthy (apparently). was that a bad thing? while i am all for using comparisons of similar era players to determine electability, it is possible that very few if any players from a particular era at a particular position merit election. i for one think that HOF membership has been cheapened by the process. most of those who dont get in really dont deserve it, and i bet 25% or more who do get in don't either. ================= Date: 9 Jan 2003 18:09:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: HOF discussion From: "obcjohn@knology.net" Some of the discussion I hear seems to imply that there is some upper threshold for numbers of players that should be admitted to the Hall of Fame. Based on the number of players who played the game, the number of players admitted to the Hall is a tiny fraction. For myself, the Hall of Fame is meant to recognize outstanding achievement over a substantial career in MLB (minimum 10 yrs). As others have pointed out, it is difficult to accurately compare players from different eras becuase of changing factors (equipment, training, stadiums/fields, strategy, rules, etc). therefore it seems that you must have some standards on which to base qualification for induction that have some universal basis. Numbers are one type of standard, awards or recognition achieved, another, and, more nebulous, rank among players of the same era. Some sort of combination of these factors, though, makes it not impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff (so to speak). Has the hall made mistakes? Sure!! It is run by human beings, but by and large, it does a credible job of selecting candidates. In the case of Sandberg, I think his seemingly premature retirement form the game hurt his chances for first ballot induction. My choice for most gross oversight currently is Jim Kaat based on his pitching record and the fact that he won 16 Gold Gloves at his position. I don't think that's a record that's going to be broken for a while. Defensive prowess continues to be an overlooked criterion for induction, so when the Ozzies and the Maz's make it, it gives me hope that the HOF is making some attempt to bring in outstanding players that represent superior performance other aspects of the game besides the ability to pump the ball out of the park. My 2 cents worth. ================= To: obcjohn@knology.net obcjohn@knology.net OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF discussion Date: 9 Jan 2003 11:10:40 -0800 From: "John Collins" Has anyone else noticed that the trend of late (with the noteable exception of Sandberg) to honor great fielders with HOF induction seems to apply only to infielders? Think about it. If Maz or Ozzie Smith had been outfielders, would they be in the Hall? Very unlikely. While granted that the positions of 2B, SS, and 3B are much harder to field than say, a shady day out in right field, it seems that the infielders who have gotten in as of late aren't held to the unproportionatly fair standard that their outstanding outfielder counterparts are. The outfielders can be great defensively, but unless they have the hallmark of 500 homers, 3000, hits, a .300 lifetime average, or some combination thereof, they aren't really taken seriously on their fielding alone. Consider Roger Maris who was an outstanding right fielder. Had he had the same defensive reputation as a shortstop, he would probably be in the Hall of Fame by now. But so far as I can tell, the only HOF outfielder whose fielding was really talked about at all was Willie Mays. And he had enough offensive stats besides the fact to garner Hall induction. I just think it's a little lopsided. Infielders like Reese and Maz can make it even though they hit .260 because they were great fielders. But a great defensive outfielder usually won't make it on that unless he has a huge homer total. >--- Original Message --- >From: "obcjohn@knology.net" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 1/9/03 1:09:58 PM >Some of the discussion I hear seems to imply that there is some >threshold for numbers of players that should be admitted to the Hall of >Fame.  Based on the number of players who played the game, the number of >players admitted to the Hall is a tiny fraction.  For myself,  the Hall of >Fame is meant to recognize outstanding achievement over a substantial >career in MLB (minimum 10 yrs).  >As others have pointed out, it is difficult to accurately compare >from different eras becuase of changing factors (equipment, >stadiums/fields, strategy, rules, etc).  therefore it seems that you must >have some standards on which to base qualification for induction that have >some universal basis.  Numbers are one type of standard, awards >recognition achieved,  another,  and, more nebulous, rank among players of >the same era.  Some sort of combination of these factors, though, makes it >not impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff (so to speak). >Has the hall made mistakes?  Sure!!   It is run by human beings, but by and >large, it does a credible job of selecting candidates.   In the case of >Sandberg, I think his seemingly premature retirement form the game hurt his >chances for first ballot induction.  >My choice for most gross oversight currently is Jim Kaat based on his >pitching record and the fact that he won 16 Gold Gloves at his position.  I >don't think that's a record that's going to be broken for a >Defensive prowess continues to be an overlooked criterion for induction, so >when the Ozzies and the Maz's make it,  it gives me hope that the HOF is >making some attempt to bring in outstanding players that represent >performance other aspects of the game besides the ability to pump the ball >out of the park. >My 2 cents worth. >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 19:10:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: In defense of Perez From: "pearceg2 " --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@a... wrote: > My vote for worst HOF members: > Joe Tinker/Johnny Evers/Frank Chance. Voted in because they had a > neat little poem written about them. Three guys who should really > be in the HOM, not the HOF. I used to think the same thing, then I read Rob Neyer's book "Baseball Dynasties" and really started reading and studying the Deadball Era (BTW, if any of you play Diamond Mind Baseball and want to playtest some pre-1927 seasons for me, let me know). For the 5 years from 1906-1910, the Cubs * won 100 games 4 times * won 99 games the other year * won 4 NL pennants * won 2 World Series * won 116 games in a single season Expanding the years to 1903-1913, the Cubs also * posted 11 consecutive winning seasons * posted 9 consecutive 90-win seasons Other teams with similar runs of success have several Hall of Famers: 1911 Athletics 4 1927 Yankees 6 1930 Athletics 5 1931 Cardinals 5 1939 Yankees 5 1953 Dodgers 4 1961 Yankees 3 1970 Orioles 3 1975 Reds 4 (including Rose for the purpose of this discussion) If you throw out Tinker, Evers, and Chance because they aren't good enough, then you're left with a team that had one of the greatest runs of success ever with one Hall of Famer, Mordecai Brown. That doesn't quite seem right either given the HoF voting that surrounds other great teams. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: need just 2 to finish Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 14:27:09 -0600 From: "terry ellis" down to the last 2 for my 56 set koufax and yankee team card appreciate any help forever, thanks kit okamuro Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:36:33 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need just 2 to finish From: Neal Thomas Funny how with certain sets, it seems as if everyone has the same last few cards. I need 3 cards for my '56 set, and the Yankees team card is one of them. I remember seeing other very short '56 wantlists with that card as well. It is similar to the '68 set, where the Mantle combination card (? #490 or 480) is on eveyone's list. Were these shortprinted and not ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "terry ellis" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] need just 2 to finish Date: 01/09/2003 02:27pm down to the last 2 for my 56 set koufax and yankee team card appreciate any help forever, thanks kit okamuro Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 16:41:34 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: In defense of Perez To: pearceg@ev1.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 1/9/2003 1:12:30 PM Central Standard Time, pearceg@ev1.net > > Joe Tinker/Johnny Evers/Frank Chance. Voted in because they had a > > neat little poem written about them. Three guys who should really > > be in the HOM, not the HOF. They were my dad's favorite players, and they were Cubs. Of course they belong. - Doug ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:25:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting email - huge collection for sale. From: "RRFARRELL " I received an unsolicitated email yesterday which intrigued me. A guy contacted me trying to sell his boyhood collection. I certainly couldn't muster the cash he wanted, but maybe some of you might be interested. He had over 20,000 cards from 1952-1963. He emailed me the xcell spread sheet. If you want to see it, email me and I'll send the I know he had 28 61 mantles #300 ! Below is the content of our emails. Any of you guys been contacted ? -- Bob No problem, I understand. I am looking for a handful of people who have the resources and interest in making a major purchase. I think I found some who qualify. "Bob Farrell" wrote: >I'm afraid if you are looking for 70,000$+ I'm not the guy for you. >I would be interested at a 10,000-12,000 range. >- Bob >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: ""Bob Farrell"" >Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:37 PM >Subject: Re: Bob Hall's Baseball Card Collection >> Bob, >> Thanks for your interest. The cards I bought retail in 1959-63 are in the >best condition; I put them away and didn't handle much. The 1951-58 >that I acquired from other kids have worn edges/corners. I never went to >card shows and basically stored them for 40 years. I'd like to get the most >$ I can in one transaction. I've been told they may be worth >> Regards, >> Bob >> "Bob Farrell" wrote: >> >An impressive collection. >> >Can you tell me about the condition. >> >What are you looking to get for the cards ? >> > >> >- bob >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: >> >To: >> >Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:09 PM >> >Subject: Bob Hall's Baseball Card Collection >> > >> > >> >> Below is a summary of my collection. Attached is the Excel >> >with the count for each card. I look forward to discussing this >> >with you. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> >> >> BASEBALL CARDS: 20,802 TOTAL >> >> 1951 Bowman: 1 card >> >> 1952 Topps: 10 cards >> >> 1953 Bowman B/W: 10 cards >> >> 1953 Bowman Color: 55 cards >> >> 1953 Topps: 130 cards >> >> 1954 Bowman: 67 cards >> >> 1954 Topps: 235 cards >> >> 1955 Bowman: 722 cards >> >> 1955 Topps: 366 cards >> >> 1956 Topps: 562 cards >> >> 1957 Topps: 339 cards >> >> 1958 Topps: 634 cards >> >> 1959 Topps: 2761 cards >> >> 1959 Fleer Baseball Greats, Ted Willaims: 128 cards >> >> 1960 Topps: 3327 cards >> >> 1960 Fleer Baseball Greats: 60 cards >> >> 1960 Leaf Sports Novelties: 394 cards >> >> 1961 Topps: 7055 cards >> >> 1961 Fleer Baseball Greats: 389 cards >> >> 1961 Nu-Card Baseball Scoops: 259 cards >> >> 1962 Topps: 3125 cards >> >> 1963 Topps: 150 cards >> >> 1964 Topps: 14 cards >> >> 1965 Topps: 4 cards >> >> 1969 Topps: 5 cards >> >> >> >> BASEBALL STAMPS: 1052 TOTAL >> >> 1961 Topps: 534 stamps >> >> 1962 Topps: 518 stamps (includes 48 stamps still as doubles) >> >> >> >> >> >> The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >> >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp >> >> >> >> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >> >http://webmail.netscape.com/ >> >> >> > >> > >> __________________________________________________________________ >> The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! >http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp >> Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com/ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 21:20:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Interesting e-mail -- huge collection for sale. From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I had to read that one a few times Bob, just to get the scope of how many older cards this guy has. I figured it out: if every OBCer chipped in an equal amount, we'd have to kick in slightly over 500 bucks apiece to hit his asking price. About $400 if we got him down to $60,000 and if we chewed him to half his asking price ($35,000), about $250. Mind boggling. Oh, to have won the lottery. It figures that HIS mother never threw away his cards. Thanks for the neat story. I am still holding out up for stumbling on a treasure at a yard sale. Bob D'Angelo ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:28:12 EST Subject: HOF thoughts To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com I love HOF time--great debates abound! I have to say that Blyleven, Simmons and Hodges should all be in the Hall. In Hodges case, it often gets overlooked but he lost about two years to WW2 which might have pushed him over 400 homers, although he was just starting out at the time. If Blyleven had pitched for the Dodgers, A's, Reds or Yankees he would be in the hall right now. As for Sandberg, he'll get in eventually but I don't think he was 1st ballot material. I was surprised when Ozzie made it on the first try and thought Sandberg had a shot at it as well. I guess fielding at a very high level must help, although it hasn't done anything for Keith Hernandez, who should also be in I think. I have never seen anyone dominate a position like he dominated first base. If Marvin Miller gets in, should Curt Flood be elevated too? ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 22:32:26 -0800 From: "Greg Conway" I disagree. The Hall of Fame is for the best players in the game. Not just for the players that amassed the most numbers. Therefore if a player was the best player (or one of a few), during the bigger part of his career he should be in the HOF. He shouldn't be measured by stats against players that played 50 years before or even 20 years later. He didn't get to bat or pitch against those guys and if he and other players from his era did, the stats of the players 50 years older or 20 years later may have changed radically. Less Hall members? No, we need more. So we can read about them, tell ourgrandchildren about how we saw them play. Keep baseball alive for the nextgenerations. You know, there are those that would raise the HOF bar so high as to only admit Ruth, Cobb, Johnson, Mathewson, Wagner and begrudgingly Williams and Gehrig. The best of the best. Not me boy, I want to see the stars from all eras in there. I've been to the Hall of Fame twice now. I think they have room for 2 or 3 new plaques a year for quite awhile now. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle here's something that hasn't been mentioned. the HOF really is becoming the HOM. in reality, there are entirely too many people being admitted. since when is it mandatory that above average players have to be admitted. unlike the nfl, which REQUIRES at least 4 players per year to be admitted, this is not the case for baseball. if one of the best 1st baseman of the 80s and 90s still had sub par #s compared to other inductees, that doesn't mean he needs to be elected. the mazeroski election jumps immediately to mind. remember when pie traynor was the only 3rd baseman in the hall? no one else was worthy (apparently). was that a bad thing? while i am all for using comparisons of similar era players to determine electability, it is possible that very few if any players from a particularera at a particular position merit election. i for one think that HOF membership has been cheapened by the process. most of those who dont get in really dont deserve it, and i bet 25% or more who do get in don't either. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 23:53:54 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting email - huge collection for sale. To: "RRFARRELL " From: Mark S Talbot I too was contacted,

    I choose not to reply although I will admit I was curious.  Thanks Bob for the report - apparently I did not waste my time.  The guy might actually get 70 G's for the collection if he wants to piece it out but I simply do not like the "tone of greed" that oozes from this rascals emails.  None the less - Thanks Bob for easing my curiosity.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
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"RRFARRELL " wrote:

 
I received an unsolicitated email yesterday which intrigued me.
A guy contacted me trying to sell his boyhood collection.
I certainly couldn't muster the cash he wanted, but maybe some of you
might be interested.
He had over 20,000 cards from 1952-1963.  He emailed me the
spread sheet.  If you want to see it, email me and I'll send
I know he had 28 61 mantles #300 !
Below is the content of our emails.

Any of you guys been contacted ?

-- Bob

No problem, I understand.  I am looking for a handful of people
have the resources and interest in making a major purchase.  I think
I found some who qualify.

"Bob Farrell" <rrfarrell@cox.net> wrote:
>I'm afraid if you are looking for 70,000$+  I'm not the guy for you.
>I would be interested at a 10,000-12,000 range.
>- Bob
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <roberthall2@netscape.net>
>To: ""Bob Farrell"" <rrfarrell@cox.net>
>Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 3:37 PM
>Subject: Re: Bob Hall's Baseball Card Collection
>> Bob,
>> Thanks for your interest.  The cards I bought retail in
are in the
>best condition; I put them away and didn't handle much.  The 1951-58
>that I acquired from other kids have worn edges/corners.  I never
went to
>card shows and basically stored them for 40 years.  I'd like to get
the most
>$ I can in one transaction.  I've been told they may be worth
>> Regards,
>> Bob
>> "Bob Farrell" <rrfarrell@cox.net> wrote:
>> >An impressive collection.
>> >Can you tell me about the condition.
>> >What are you looking to get for the cards ?
>> >
>> >- bob
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: <roberthall2@netscape.net>
>> >To: <roberthall2@netscape.net>
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 1:09 PM
>> >Subject: Bob Hall's Baseball Card Collection
>> >
>> >
>> >> Below is a summary of my collection.  Attached is the
>> >with the count for each card.  I look forward to discussing
>> >with you.
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> BASEBALL CARDS: 20,802 TOTAL
>> >> 1951 Bowman: 1 card
>> >> 1952 Topps: 10 cards
>> >> 1953 Bowman B/W: 10 cards
>> >> 1953 Bowman Color: 55 cards
>> >> 1953 Topps: 130 cards
>> >> 1954 Bowman: 67 cards
>> >> 1954 Topps: 235 cards
>> >> 1955 Bowman: 722 cards
>> >> 1955 Topps: 366 cards
>> >> 1956 Topps: 562 cards
>> >> 1957 Topps: 339 cards
>> >> 1958 Topps: 634 cards
>> >> 1959 Topps: 2761 cards
>> >> 1959 Fleer Baseball Greats, Ted Willaims: 128 cards
>> >> 1960 Topps: 3327 cards
>> >> 1960 Fleer Baseball Greats: 60 cards
>> >> 1960 Leaf Sports Novelties: 394 cards
>> >> 1961 Topps: 7055 cards
>> >> 1961 Fleer Baseball Greats: 389 cards
>> >> 1961 Nu-Card Baseball Scoops: 259 cards
>> >> 1962 Topps: 3125 cards
>> >> 1963 Topps: 150 cards
>> >> 1964 Topps: 14 cards
>> >> 1965 Topps: 4 cards
>> >> 1969 Topps: 5 cards
>> >>
>> >> BASEBALL STAMPS: 1052 TOTAL
>> >> 1961 Topps: 534 stamps
>> >> 1962 Topps: 518 stamps (includes 48 stamps still as doubles)
>> >>
>> >>
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================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bill Henderson on Ebay Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 8:35:55 +0000 From: Glenn Codere I received an email from ebay last night saying that an auction had ended earlier "due to the account suspension of the seller". The seller was Bill Henderson. Can anyone shed any light on this? Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 07:03:34 -0800 From: "John Collins" I haven't heard anything about it elsewhere, but indeed, Bill Henderson's ebay ID card for diane@prodigy.net is showing him as "not a registered user." He did have 16 negatives on his profile, (out of 21,000 some positive) but it seems very unlikely that ebay would shut him down for that. In fact I don't know of any cases of ebay shutting somebody down simply for negative feedback, as I have seen several sellers out there with red ink thatnumbers in the hundreds. I would have speculated that Bill was just changing user ID's if not for the email that Glenn received. This is kind of an interesting development, I would like to know more about the situation if anybody finds out. -- John ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay I received an email from ebay last night saying that an auction had endedearlier "due to the account suspension of the seller". The seller was BillHenderson. Can anyone shed any light on this? Glasgow, Scotland To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 06:23:24 -0600 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, All, I do not not know what happened with Bill Henderson's ebay account. However, I do know of a problem that has affected many ebay users. One of the local dealers in Milwaukee (Bill Gruber, whose old account was bbcetc@execpc.com --he runs a store called Baseball Cards, etc.) has had to change ebay usernames. He responded to what he thought was a call from ebay to update his account.He provided account numbers, passwords, and so on. It turned out to be ascam. His username was taken over by someone else, who started to direct that payments went elsewhere. When Bill discovered this, he contacted ebay. Someone from ebay told him that approximately 10,000 ebay users (many of who were Power Sellers) had responded to this hoax. They have had to change usernames until things are cleared Again, I do not know if this is what happened in Bill Henderson's case, butit would not surprise me. Mike W ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Glenn Codere Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay I haven't heard anything about it elsewhere, but indeed, Bill Henderson'sebay ID card for diane@prodigy.net is showing him as "not a registered user." He did have 16 negatives on his profile, (out of 21,000 some positive) but it seems very unlikely that ebay would shut him down for that. In fact I don't know of any cases of ebay shutting somebody down simply for negative feedback, as I have seen several sellers out there with red ink that numbers in the hundreds. I would have speculated that Bill was just changing user ID's if not for the email that Glenn received. This is kind of an interesting development, I would like to know more about the situation if anybody finds out. -- John ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay I received an email from ebay last night saying that an auction had ended earlier "due to the account suspension of the seller". The seller was Bill Can anyone shed any light on this? Glasgow, Scotland To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "wierzbickim" ,,"Glenn Codere" ,"John Collins" Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:40:45 +0000 From: Glenn Codere Good theory, Mike. I've received those hoax emails myself. Fortunately, I'm familiar enough with things to know not to respond to them. A scan of anything official that comes from ebay usually carries a reminder that ebay themselves will NEVER ask you for your password, etc. I've sent an email to Bill H to see if he can shed any light on what's happened. I'll report back to the group if I should hear anything. If anyone else comes up with some info, though, please share! ============================================================ From: "wierzbickim" Date: 2003/01/10 Fri PM 12:23:24 GMT To: , "Glenn Codere" , "John Collins" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay Hi, All, I do not not know what happened with Bill Henderson's ebay account. However, I do know of a problem that has affected many ebay users. One of the local dealers in Milwaukee (Bill Gruber, whose old account was bbcetc@execpc.com --he runs a store called Baseball Cards, etc.) has had to change ebay usernames. He responded to what he thought was a call from ebay to update his account. He provided account numbers, passwords, and so on. It turned out to be a scam. His username was taken over by someone else, who started to direct that payments went elsewhere. When Bill discovered this, he contacted ebay. Someone from ebay told him that approximately 10,000 ebay users (many of who were Power Sellers) had responded to this hoax. They have had to change usernames until things are cleared up. Again, I do not know if this is what happened in Bill Henderson's case, but it would not surprise me. Mike W ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Glenn Codere Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay I haven't heard anything about it elsewhere, but indeed, Bill Henderson's ebay ID card for diane@prodigy.net is showing him as "not a registered user." He did have 16 negatives on his profile, (out of 21,000 some positive) but it seems very unlikely that ebay would shut him down for that. In fact I don't know of any cases of ebay shutting somebody down simply for negative feedback, as I have seen several sellers out there with red ink that numbers in the hundreds. I would have speculated that Bill was just changing user ID's if not for the email that Glenn received. This is kind of an interesting development, I would like to know more about the situation if anybody finds out. -- John ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay I received an email from ebay last night saying that an auction had ended earlier "due to the account suspension of the seller". The seller was Bill Henderson. Can anyone shed any light on this? Glasgow, Scotland To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ============================================================ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: Bill Henderson Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 09:59:01 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Bill Henderson asked me to pass this note along to OBC. ----- Original Message ----- From: diane To: Steve Rittenberg Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Hi Bill Hi Steve I've been suspended due to a relative having 3-4 accounts that were tied into my credit card number. These accounts were suspended for lack of performance, and I guess when Ebay found out that my sellers I'd was tied into the same card they suspended me even though I have done nothing wrong. I'm trying towork with Ebay to get reinstated. If you like you can post this e mail in OBC and need your prayers regardingthis. Thanks Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Bill Henderson Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: Hi Bill I hope you are well. Someone wrote into OBC saying that your ebay account has been suspended. I hope everything is ok. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:51:07 EST Subject: another virus email To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com looks like we have another virus email making the rounds using terry dietrich's email address as the sender. gm ================= To: "Greg Conway" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:47:59 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" I like Greg's HOF comments a lot. He puts it especially well when he says the Hall of Fame is the main way the players of the past will be remembered. What's the point of keeping standards so high that only a few can get in? Do we really want to forget all but a handful of the outstanding playersof the past? I'm with Greg! More players, not fewer, in the HOF!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Conway To: DirectorTH@aol.com ; ; smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle I disagree. The Hall of Fame is for the best players in the game. Not just for the players that amassed the most numbers. Therefore if a player was the best player (or one of a few), during the bigger part of his career he should be in the HOF. He shouldn't be measured by stats against players that played 50 years before or even 20 years later. He didn't get to bat or pitch against those guys and if he and other players from his era did, the stats of the players 50 years older or 20 years later may have changed radically. Less Hall members? No, we need more. So we can read about them, tell our grandchildren about how we saw them play. Keep baseball alive for the next generations. You know, there are those that would raise the HOF bar so high as to only admit Ruth, Cobb, Johnson, Mathewson, Wagner and begrudgingly Williams and Gehrig. The best of the best. Not me boy, I want to see the stars from all eras in there. I've been to the Hall of Fame twice now. I think they have room for 2 or 3 new plaques a year for quite awhile now. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: DirectorTH@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 9:27 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF - a new angle here's something that hasn't been mentioned. the HOF really is becoming the HOM. in reality, there are entirely too many people being admitted. since when is it mandatory that above average players have to be admitted.unlike the nfl, which REQUIRES at least 4 players per year to be admitted, this is not the case for baseball. if one of the best 1st baseman of the 80s and 90s still had sub par #s compared to other inductees, that doesn't mean he needs to be elected. themazeroski election jumps immediately to mind. remember when pie traynor was the only 3rd baseman in the hall? no oneelse was worthy (apparently). was that a bad thing? while i am all for using comparisons of similar era players to determine electability, it is possible that very few if any players from a particular era at a particular position merit election. i for one think that HOF membership has been cheapened by the process. most of those who dont get in really dont deserve it, and i bet 25% or more who do get in don't either. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bill Henderson Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 10:53:00 -0600 From: "Tim Newcomb" Ebay's responses to these situations amaze me. A good citizen like Bill gets suspended for some technicality, while bottom-feeders like the people selling "professionally graded" pages torn from old Spalding and Reach Guidesas vintage baseball cards go on their merry way. what a world! what a net! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 8:59 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bill Henderson Bill Henderson asked me to pass this note along to OBC. ----- Original Message ----- From: diane To: Steve Rittenberg Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 9:48 AM Subject: Re: Hi Bill Hi Steve I've been suspended due to a relative having 3-4 accounts that were tied into my credit card number. These accounts were suspended for lack of performance, and I guess when Ebay found out that my sellers I'd was tied into the same card they suspended me even though I have done nothing wrong. I'm trying to work with Ebay to get reinstated. If you like you can post this e mail in OBC and need your prayers regarding Thanks Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Bill Henderson Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 6:33 AM Subject: Hi Bill I hope you are well. Someone wrote into OBC saying that your ebay account has been suspended. I hope everything is ok. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:59:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bill Henderson on Ebay To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Hmm....About a month ago I won a '54 Lasorda RC for less than $15 total from the diane account. The card was better than described and I was very happy...one of those 21000 positive feedbacks was mine. I doubt it had anything to do with feedback. I bet it has to do with a billing error...outdated credit card, etc. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Gretky RC on Yahoo auctions Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:06:22 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I think a couple of guys have started working on the 1979-80 OPC hockey set. Here's the key card at an affordable price. Its affordable but beyond my budget so I won't be bidding. Besides, I have a reprint that looks just as nice. The seller is Tiger Dave, a long time buddy of Grant. http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/71677035?aucviewalert ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 15 and Under Sets Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 12:17:38 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I am going to attempt to polish off my 70's Topps sets this year - and hopefully 68 Topps as well. 70's and 72's should be the only challenge in doing so. List below are the reaming 70's sets I need to complete. Any help would be very appreciated. Erik Greenwood 1971 Topps (VG or Better) 15 to go: 529 580 619 630 653 665 671 683 688 700 709 725 735 740 750 1973 Topps (VG or Better) 2 to go: 556 608 1974 Topps (VG or Better) 2 to go: 283 340 1975 Topps (VG or Better) 10 to go: 005 050 063 126 150 185 211 320 540 622 1977 Topps (Ex-Mt) 4 to go: 006 150 265 488 Thank you for looking. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: card identification ??? Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:21:53 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Anyone help with the following: I have the Standard Catalog of Baseball and I cant find the following two cards in there so thought someone out in OBC-land might know something. Both are Griffey Jr. Cards. First: Close-up Head shot, probably sitting in dugout, has cap on. Color photo. No border. lower right of card says, (first line):KEN GRIFFEY (second line in smaller print) Seattle (third line): Mariners (fourth line): 1989 That's all for the front. On the back, back is solid white. The following is in horizontal writing in very large black outline lettering: (first line): 1989 (second line): ROOKIES (third line, slightly smaller solid black lettering): SUPERSTARS TWO (fourth line, slightly smaller yet): *KEN (fifth line, smaller lettering yet): #4 of 16. Very small print centered at bottom in back: "Pacific Cards and Comics, Los Angeles, CA" Everything is black on white on the back. I looked and there is nothing under Pacific in the Standard Card Catalog SECOND CARD Should be easy for anyone to identify because it has some wild colors on the front: a torso color photo of Griffey on a ...I'm trying to describe the color...it's lighter than purple, kind of a light grape color solid background, with an old gold (that was my high school color so I know old gold, but it always looked like pea green to me) border with the top left and right corners solid old gold. Bottom center has Ken Griffey, Jr in a white box again bordered in old gold. I've never seen a card with old gold border on grape color background, so it stands out! Back is dark royal blue on a very light shaded blue background, with his 1988 batting record stats. upper left corner is the card number, a white "1" on a royal blue oval. Bottom says, " Premier Player gold Edition '89, Limited Edition 7 Thousand Sets, Series #5" Anyone shed any light on these two unique cards? The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 17:13:18 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Virus? From: Originaleek@webtv.net Just an FYI, I received a suspicious e-mail (supposedly from Dan Austin) with an attachment. I discarded it, but thought others should know. We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Virus? Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 00:44:21 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Was that the one that said "Hello, fellow OBCer! I've just sent you a '52 Mantle from my vast hoard of dupes. Check out the scan of this pack-fresh beauty! Enjoy! Signed: Dan Austin" Yeah, it sure is suspicious alright! heh, heh! -----Original Message----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net [mailto:Originaleek@webtv.net] Sent: 10 January 2003 22:13 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Virus? Just an FYI, I received a suspicious e-mail (supposedly from Dan Austin) with an attachment. I discarded it, but thought others should know. We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: appreciations Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 22:33:04 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hey guys & gals - hope things are great in your neck of the woods. Happy New Year to all! Thanks out to: Matt Heilenman - Mattman sends over some great hits to three different sets: a wonderful SCP to the '74 (card #3 of the Hank Aaron specials!), two hits to the '73 list (Big Daddy Reuschel and the boyhood photo card of Gaylord Perry. Perry's card was the "traded" edition, with Rangers neatly penned), and two hits to the '78 list (Mets & Mariners team cards). Thanks Matt!! Joe Isaac - Joe surprises me today with some great HOF cards! First up wasthe '75 list - Joe provides two of the last three I needed - Blyleven & the Hank/Mickey MVP card, which features their cards of my favorite set, the 1957. These two great cards were followed up with four hits to the '74 list, including a Dodgers team card, a checklist, Willie McCovey and the Santo/Brooksie All-Star card. Wow, thanks Joe!! http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site- I just think it's very, very cool) ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 10:37:19 EST Subject: Re: Bill Henderson on eBay To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Very sorry to hear the news about Bill Henderson, who is one of the hobby's genuinely good guys and a terrific "OBC-friendly" dealer. I usually don't buy too much from him at Ft. Washington, mainly because I'm afraid I have most of the cards he's selling, but when it came time to pick up a group of 1948 Bowmans, he gave me a very generous discount based only on the three letters on my hat. To my surprise, I have never won anything from Bill on ebay, although I'm sure I've bid on several items of his. Many others in OBC certainly have won some stuff from him, I'm sure. Can any of you tell me if your feedback results have suddenly jumped up by one neutral, since his account (which probably gave out a positive feedback) has been switched to inactive? I've got about 622 different positive feedbacks and two neutrals, both of which were formerly positives from people whose accounts have been suspended. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Willie hears ya. Willie doon't care." (Groundskeeper Willie, on The ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:48:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC style lot available cheap. From: "RRFARRELL " Low grade lot available of early 50's topps. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:01:43 EST Subject: link on obc page to who's collecting what To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com where is this page on the obc sites? ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Link on obc page to who's collecting what Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 17:14:36 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" To see a list of what people are collecting, you can go directly to http://www.oldbaseball.com/OBCsets.htm There is also a link at the top of the OBC Member Directory (http://www.oldbaseball.com/directory.html) You can email me with changes/updates. Updates to the list will be published periodically, as I have time. Anyone willing to help me with this project is welcome to contact me. Steve Rittenberg ================= To: Subject: EVIL Bay Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 21:52:52 -0500 From: "ochiai" Since we are bitching about ebay, I want to jump in. Like Bill Henderson, I was also suspended. I tried to work with them but got no response at all. I was suspended over a year ago for mentioning my website in a description. This was a very common practice then and still is. After a warning, Itried to realist the item and I emailed them to tell me what was wrong. Igot no response. After they suspended me , then they told me the exact rule. I use to sell every week on ebay, now I do it begrudgingly once every few months. Since they went public, they have really changed. I'm no longer a fan. I have to wonder, why is it that the little seller gets caught while big-time "spam listers" (you know, "what ebay doesn't want you to know on CD rom", and other such listings) are allowed to continue breaking the rules? Thanks for giving me a place to vent... http://www.robsjapanesecards.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:08:26 EST Subject: Another different request for a friend.... Hard Rock Cafe Chinese Zodiac Pins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I have a friend who is collecting the Chinese Zodiac Hard Rock Caf=E9 pins and she is only missing five from her set. They won't sell it to her and ship it because they say they have enough tourists who want them that it serves as something of a drawing card for the restaurant. The five she needs are Orlando, New York City, Honalulu, Baltimore, and Hollywood. I've already written to Ed Schott about Baltimore and Josh about Hollywood. Could any of the rest of you help fill in the missing cities? Of course, you will be fully compensated for your efforts (and I'll make sure a little cardboard treat accompanies payment). Take care and we look forward to hearing back from you... P.S., I guess this would be as good a time as any to sheepishly admit that I collect AOL disks... been with AOL since '88 and I never throw anything away. When I recently spoke w/ and AOL tech help person and told her I still have v. 1.0, she told me those go for good money on e-bay. I searched, and sure enough, people collect 'em. I searched some more and found several interesting websites and I'm hooked. They're free and interesting, at least to me, and collecting 'em is more environmentally friendly than dumping 'em. If you have any cluttering your office/desks, I'd be happy to pick up the cost of shipping for 'em. Thanks... ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 22:20:42 -0500 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dealer Scum Alert - TCMA stars of the 60's anyone? From: Dan Austin I have a dupe set of the cool 1978 TCMA "stars of the 60's" set if anyone is interested. I'm planning to list it on eBay pretty soon, but I thought I'd let you all have a crack at it first. It books for $100 in SCD, and the set is in great shape. I have about $40 into it, and I'd be happy to let it go for what I paid if anyone would like to add this set to their collection. Quite a cool set reminiscent of the '53 Bowman Colors. Includes just a bit less than 300 cards. LMK ASAP if you have a desire for it, or it will go up on eBay soon... I'm up for trade offers as - Dan Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 12:41:27 EST Subject: Unmentionables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Hi everyone, Yesterday I picked a ton of "unmentionable" cards at a flea market. Most, if not all, are early-to late 80's Topps & Fleer; the majority of these seem to be 86,87,88 Topps, & many 83 & 85 Fleer too. The Fleer I've looked at seem to be nothing but commons; haven't had much of a chance to look at the Topps yet to see what might be in there. I've begun the process of trying to organize them, but in the meantime if anyone is looking for anything specific, or maybe even a starter set, please drop me an email. If it matters, the cards all look to be in EX condition All in all I picked up 5 boxes (2 big ones) crammed full of cards & spent all of 20 bucks! Sincere apologies if mentioning the unmentionables here is a violation of Tom Housley ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 16:21:15 EST Subject: Availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Content-Language: en I continue to spend way too much money on ebay, especially for a guy who is trying to leave one job and find another. Anyway, some of you have noticed that I have also started to dabble on the other side - selling a few items (mostly newer stuff)to reclaim some coins. In the near future, however, I may also start to sell some of my older ebay extras to clear things out and get a few dollars back from recent purchases. Before I do that, I want to give everyone a chance to claim any items on the waiver list. So, here they are - claim away. Guys I owe come first, but don't be shy: Late '40s Exhibit #254vg Vern Stephens 1954 Bowman # 's 78f 183g-vg 1955 Bowman # 298vg 1956 Topps #305f-g 1959 Topps 4vg 151vg 1963 # 's Post 20vg 198vg 198f(writing) 1965 #'s Topps 14ex 43f-g 323f 594vg 1966 #'s Topps 78g 137vg 420g 1967 # 's Topps 31g 40vg 75vg-ex 120vg 183g-vg 410g 1968 #'s Topps 208vg 248vg 461ex 482ex-nm 482vg 518vgcl 1969 #'s Topps 26vg 43vg 45g (Crease - Wills) 45f (Stained - Wills) 53vg 60g 62f 75vg (Aparicio) 83f 88g 90vg (Koosman) 112g 160g 194g 206vg 214f (severely marked checklist) 217g 254g 266g 280f 287f 314g (Drysdale marked checklist) 315f 326f 384g 498vg 501vg Football #55 (marked checklist) 1970 #'s Topps 38vg 102vg (Rudi) 227g (Mayberry) 304f (miscut) 453g (Carew AS) 454vg (Santo AS) 543vg 1971 #'s Topps 374vg(Clete Boyer) 1972 Topps 88ex (Killerbew, F. Robinson) 392vg 410g (Jenkins) 1973 Topps 51vg 72g-vg 108g 155g (Bando - writing on back) 197vg 237g (Mathews) 624g-vg (Durocher) 1974 Topps 544T ex 1975 Topps 331g (Indians with manager F. Robinson ) 1976 #'s Topps 197vg (Stolen Base Leaders - Lopes, Morgan, Brock) 201vg (ERA Leaders - Jones, Messersmith, Seaver) 408f Topps Traded Checklist f 85Tex 127Tex 208Tf-g 211Tg 250Tex (F. Jenkins) 259Tex 309Tg 380Tex(Bobby Bonds) 385Tg(Lolich) 434Tvg 464Tg 525Tvg 554Tf The rest from ebay lots that did not sell: 1983 Fleer Carl Yastrzemski #200 1985 Topps Yogi Berra w/ Dale Berra #132 1987 Walgreens League Leaders Old Baseball Star cards - complete set 1989 Topps Bobby Doerr Team Captain #11 of 22 in 1988 All-Star Game commemorative set 1989 Fleer Don Mattingly #258 '90 Bowman starter set 88 cards including Ryan and many stars =E290 Score baseball - partial set including 370 cards '90 Score starter set 200 cards 1991 World Championship Wrestling Cards (WCW) Total of 48 full-color cards still in four sealed packs ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 14:34:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: My Trip with "the Fugitive" to visit "the Sheriff" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Heilenman Hello everyone. Yesterday. I began my trek to the Fugitives house at 7:30. Got there about 8 am.Rick handed me a few 74 topps traded cards a couple 76 traded and a 70 Clemente.Thanks Rick! We loaded his van up with trade boxes and started our way down to Maryland to meet Ed Schott "the sheriff". Rick brought along his two daughters , Paige and Katie(if I mispelled Katie's name, I am sorry). Got to Bel Air , MD about 9:50 for a card show at the mall. Looked around for awhile, several dealers were price gouging on some really off grade stuff. One dealer even wanted $70 for a trashed out 65 Mantle. ed showed up just after 10, we exchanged pleasantries and looked around some more. Haggled with the $70 Mantle guy for 10 minutes or so and walked away with a 78 Kelloggs Eddie Murray, 3 71 Kelloggs commons , 2 74 Kelloggs, 1 76 Kelloggs and a 61 Topps Brooks Robinson , all for $20. At another table I found some 50 cent boxes with some 70's football stars . Scarfed those up and headed to another table where Rick and Ed had found a guy that was clearing out his baseball cards. We fished through them , I got a few more Kelloggs and some 75 topps and a 74 or 2 . After that I found a table with a bunch of uv stuff and bought the last 2 vintage cards he had for $4- 1961 Topps George Blanda and a 68 Topps Game Card of Brooks Robinson.We had been there an hour and exhasted everything good to look at, with a reasonable price that is. So, we headed out to Ed's house. we met the family and settled down for some trading. Ed showed us his collection , at which time I noticed a 70's California Angels hat, one of the few Angels hats I don't have. I asked Ed where he bought that, I would like to have one , and he took it off the wall and GAVE it to me !!! That was cool , thanks Ed. Ed ordered some Pizza and we swapped some cardboard. Got a few uv unmentionables for some sets, a bunch of 70 Topps and some 71 Football. Oh yeah Ed also handed me a Fisk rookie , a 67 Ford and some 64 Giants including Killebrew. Thanks again Ed. We packed up our things about 3:30 or so(I lose track of time easily , so it might not have actully been 3:30, but felt I needed to put some kind of time frame in there ). We thanked Ed for the pizza and the cards , and the great hat and headed for the Concord mall out side of Wilmington , Delaware for another card show. Got there about 5 or so ( I don't remember relly). Walked around, mostly uv. I didn't get anything, Rick got some t206's . Left at what ever time . Stopped a little ways up the road at Jimmy John's for some hot dogs and hamburgers . Got back to Rick's sometime during the early evening and then I headed to my Thanks to Ed and Rick for a great day . Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 17:45:54 EST Subject: Show fun To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com As a rule, Southern California shows are crappy usually, high priced West Coast dealers. Today, I went to the local monthly show with a little money in my pocket expecting to pay high prices for off-condition stuff...I have one dealer that does okay on vintage stuff, Paul. He often looks for stuff just for me. Last time I was at the show about 4 months ago, I bought a '53 Topps Mantle for $100 in g-vg condition. Today, I was hoping he found some new stuff for me. After wandering the room and seeing nothing but UV...I found Paul, and he pulled out a bunch of stuff he had saved for me. First, a Canadian '54 Topps (he had a few, I know someone was collecting these--about $12-15 apiece), a W-517 Alexander in nice condition, and two ex-mt high number '61 Topps PHillies. He also added in two '55 Bowman umps. The last thing he pulled out was a creased and a little stained Wilson Franks Ennis. The only Phillie in the set and a every tough card. I took them all for $118. Book on all of them was nearly $500!! I was very happy today. Not often I get such large hits on the Phillies list. I did manage to pick up a few OBC type late '50s/'60s cards and will check wantlists later. Hope everyone had a good sunday...GO JETS. ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 19:52:01 -0500 Subject: waiver wire/trade bait To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot-owl@comcast.net Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I would love to either start some swaps and/or clean out some cards I don't need: First come first serve-- 1962 Post baseball (nice cut with writing on back)--1, 100, 102, 146, 157, 191 1961 Fleer 10 Bresnahan heavy horizontal crease 1959 Topps (I am surprised some of these cards are still in one piece--heavy creasing) 381, 400, 417, 421, 452 1971 scratch off (scratched) Mack Jones 1974 red bordered checklists-Indians, Phillies 1970 story books Jay Johnstone 1961 Nu Card Scoops-416 Roger Maris (a really nice card) 1975--card 1 Aaron sets homer mark 1975 mini-299 Bucky Dent 1976-card 1Aaron RB--(an Xmas ornament) 1964 Philadelphia-168 49er play 1965 Philadelphia-149, 151 1967 Philadelphia-30, 32, 178 1960 Topps--7, 125 1968 Topps-4, 11, 20, 21, 26, 32, 56 1971 Topps game cards-9 and 11 (miscut) 1970/71 tall boys--8, 9, 14, 15, 17, 19, 21, 27, 30, 39, 40, 42, 45, 52, 53, 54, 58, 61, 67, 69, 76, 82, 88, 89, 92, 99, 101, 105 (mixed conditions) Peter Mead ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 20:21:12 EST Subject: Trips trips To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com OBC - I just returned from a week of training on Friday and now I am headed to Washington, D.C. for yet another long detail. I leave tomorrow morning and will not return until February 21st. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another Virus message Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:25:19 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" I've gotten about 3 or 4 emails with viruses that say they're from OBC members. This is the first one I got that wasn't from an OBC member. If anybody has "gcmarcucci " in your address book then you should check your computer for viruses. Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:36:03 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" HALL OF FAME VOTING BY OBC MEMBERS I'm not sure how many participated but I'm guessing 13 or 14. I forgot to have the poll include who chose what. CHOICES AND RESULTS Eddie Murray 13 votes Pete Rose 12 votes Ryne Sandberg 11 votes Paul Molitor 10 votes Joe Jackson 10 votes Andre Dawson 9 votes Gary Carter 6 votes Gil Hodges 6 votes Dale Murphy 6 votes Jim Rice 5 votes Don Mattingly 3 votes Ron Santo 3 votes Dave Concepcion 2 votes Steve Garvey 2 votes Joe Carter 1 vote Rocky Colavito 1 vote Roger Maris 1 vote Dave Parker 1 vote Ted Simmons 1 vote Alan Trammell 1 vote Jose Canseco 0 votes Keith Hernandez 0 votes Joe Torre 0 votes STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: 13 Jan 2003 04:36:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: No more wantlist From: "obcjohn@knology.net" While modifying my wantlist tonite on the webspawner page, most of it disappeared so until further notice it is under construction and to be disregarded. The copy I sent out over the wantlist server is good. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 17:42:46 EST Subject: 1970 Topps oddity To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com While going through my dupes box, I found two 1970 Topps cards of #122 George Stone. Here's a scan of both... http://members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/1970Topps.html Note the words "Braves" and "Pitcher," - they're light orange on the left card, versus red on the "normal" card (the actual shade of red is a bit deeper on the card than on the scan, but the orange version is very close in color). Now, I will say up front that I don't actively collect Topps variations so I have no idea if the one on the left is a legit variation or not (last year Steve Rittenberg had to show me what a 1962 green tint looks like). The 2002 SCD catalog doesn't mention anything about this card. Perhaps the card is faded, although that would be a heckuva fade job that didn't affect the other colors too much. Maybe the red ink literally ran dry during the print run? Any help you could give this novice is appreciated. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 18:31:25 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Topps oddity From: Neal Thomas My guess is a printer problem--like the red ink running dry. Look at the red on the glove and the red on the face of the Brave on his arm-- all more orange in the faded photo. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Topps oddity Date: 01/13/2003 05:42pm While going through my dupes box, I found two 1970 Topps cards of #122 George Stone. Here's a scan of both... http://members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/1970Topps.html Note the words "Braves" and "Pitcher," - they're light orange on the card, versus red on the "normal" card (the actual shade of red is a deeper on the card than on the scan, but the orange version is very close in color). Now, I will say up front that I don't actively collect Topps variations so I have no idea if the one on the left is a legit variation or not (last year Steve Rittenberg had to show me what a 1962 green tint like). The 2002 SCD catalog doesn't mention anything about this Perhaps the card is faded, although that would be a heckuva fade job didn't affect the other colors too much. Maybe the red ink literally ran dry during the print run? Any help you could give this novice is ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:45:53 EST Subject: BIG THANKS TODAY To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Today was a large thank you day...been a long time since I got 4 packages in the mail (eventhough two were ebay buys)... First...Joe Cerullo hits my Phillies wantlist with a '53 Redman Robin Roberts and a bonus '53 Smokey Burgess that is auto'd. I compared it to a real Smokey auto and they look the same!! Thanks Joe. Second....Peter Mead chips in to the '61 Scoops set with four hits. Two hits this week to that set!! Love it! Thanks Peter. Ebay #1...some OPC stickers and oddball stuff. Several hits to my wantlist. Ebay #2...a T-205 Charles Wagner...very tough card (ask Geno, if I recall it was his last t-205 card and he looked a long time for it). I used a buy-it-now to get this gem and paid....ta-dah...$15...Yes, Geno, $15...creased and worn but the back is readable and the picture is all there. Down to 22 cards to go (21 when the Turner I bought for less than $30 gets ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 21:53:15 EST Subject: Hurray!! To: Wite3@aol.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com 
They're not here yet, so it doesn't completely count yet, BUT I just bought
the last 2 cards for my T206 set :-).  Misters Guiheen and Dutch Jordan are
on their way.  I paid too much for the Guiheen but it's in pretty nice shape
..and it was the last one.  AND I AM FINISHED WITH THAT GREAT SET.  Maybe I
ought to try to get all the cards with all the backs?  NOOOOOO. I don;t think
so.  A lot of you were a big help with this set ...so to all of you THANKS.
..... Doug

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: AN TREASURE OF BB CARDS FOR
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:27:02 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I am passing this along just as I received it.  Please respond directly to the

----- Original Message -----
From: cards@record-international.com
To: wantlist@oldbaseball.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:21 AM
Subject: AN TREASURE OF BB CARDS FOR

Dear Steve

In this email I send you the list of the baseball cards and stickers of Venezuela,
with the individual price of each one. I sell this baseball cards and
stickers also for edition. Many of these baseball cards and stickers areunique,
released more than 30 years ago. To more quantity of baseball cards
that you buy, minor will be the price of sale. Our sale offer and prices of
Venezuelan cards and stickers are better to the one of others that sell the
same collectables here in USA.

The total price of sale of all the baseball cards and stickers that I have in
stock of the colletions Topps Venezolana (1966), Sport Grafico (1967), Offset
Venezolana C.A. (Ovenca-1970-1971), Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela (1972-1973),
Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela (1976-1977), Beisbol Profesional
de Venezuela (1977-1978) Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela (1988-1989), is
the following one: $5,500. If You buy all the baseball cards and stickers
the average of price for article is of $9,60. Remember, I'm selling too the
items of the collection for separate.

I am hoping to make business with you. I think that the total price of thiscollection
is reasonable, However, I am open to listen to your opinion about
the price of this sale proposal. Feel free to ask me about any baseball card.

For this same way have the gracefulness of replying this email with the purpose
of telling me if you are interested in this collective material. If the
answer if positive, we only have to decide how to make the transaction. You
can send the US Postal money order to:

Fernando Conde
260 NW, 107 Ave, #217
Miami, FL 33172-3811

Sincerely yours,

AND NOW, ALL VENEZUELAN BASEBALL CARDS &STICKERS THAT I HAVE IT:

1966 Topps Venezolana

250 Sam Ellis $20
344 Steve Blass $20

Sport Grafico (1967)

26 Carlos Loretto $20
36 Cisco Carlos $12
40 Merrit Ranew $20
50 Ramon Webster $25
56 Marv Rettenmund $20
58 Tom Fisher $20
59 Jim Weaver $18
65 Nestor Mendible $20
75 Jacinto Hernandez $20
82 Rene Paredes $18
83 Danny Morris $25
87 Winston Acosta $20
88 Pablo Bello $20
96 Tom Murray  $20
100 Don Bryant $20
109 Juan Campos $20
120 Barton Shirley $20
130 Jim Dickson $18
204 Rico Petrocelli $25
213 Jim Lonborg $20
247 Jim Perry $20
269 Bob Aspromonte $25
294 Tommy Harpper $20
306 Fergunson Jenkins $35
311 Richie Allen $35
313 Bill Mazeroski $40
338 Dick Groat $20

Offset Venezolana C.A. (Ovenca)   70/71

1 Cesar Gutierrez $30
2 Elio Chacon $15
5 Roberto Mu=F1oz $25
6 Jesus Rizales $15
7 Virgilio Mata $20
8 Manuel Garcia $25
9 Cesar Garrido $15
10 Alejandro Tovar $15
11 William Salazar $15
12 Jose Lopez $20
13 Romulo Castillo $15
14 Victor Jimenez $20
15 Jose Saiz  $20
17 Jesus Avila $20
22 Logo Tigres $20
23 Orlando Tavares $15
26 Tigres al Acecho $20
27 Cesar Gutierrez herido $15
28 Jugada en Home $20
29 Joe Foy  $20
30 Dennis Paepke $15
31 Fred Norman $25
32 John Purdin $25
33 Steve Huntz $25
34 Claide Mashore $15
35 Steve Mingori $15
36 Jim Breazale $30
37 Charles Day $15
38 Bob Stinson $15
39 Phil Henningan $15
41 Faustino Zabala $20
42 Pablo Torrealba $20
43 Erasmo Diaz $15
44 Sebastian Martinez $20
45 Neudo Morales $20
46 Iran Paz  $12
47 Franklyn Moreno $20
48 Claudio Urdaneta $20
49 Dario Chirinos $20
51 Enrique Gonzalez $20
52 Ednio Gonzalez $20
53 Humberto Donquis $20
54 Antonio Ruiz $20
55 Efrain Urquiola $20
56 Tony Pacheco $15
57 Lucio Celis $20
58 Domingo Barboza $20
59 Zabala y Morales $20
60 Jugada en 1ra. $20
61 Novatos  $20
63 Alexis Corro $20
64 Novatos en Accion $20
65 Jugada en 1ra. $20
67 Jugada en 3ra. $20
68 Jim Shellenback $30
69 Spizio Spinks $30
70 Ken Forsch $25
71 Oscar Zamora $25
73 Jackie Brown $25
74 Orlando Martinez $20
75 Bobby Watson $30
76 Jose Martinez $15
77 Roger Metzger $20
78 Tommy Reinolds $25
79 Cleo James $20
80 Roster  $25
81 Gustavo Gil $15
82 Jesus Aristimu=F1o $20
83 Orlando Reyes $20
84 Armando Ortiz $20
85 Damaso Blanco $20
86 Gregorio Machado $12
87 Victor Colina $20
88 Nelson Ca=F1as $20
89 Francisco Diaz $20
90 Edito Arteaga $20
91 Concepcion Escalona $20
92 Gilberto Marcano $15
93 Luis Serrano $20
94 Diego Bolivar $20
95 Raul Ortega $12
97 Leopoldo Tovar $15
98 Manuel Gonzalez $20
100 Comienza el Partido $15
101 Novatos  $20
102 Logo Magallanes $20
103 Marcano en la lomita $20
106 Escenario y Publico $20
107 El Poder Negro $35
108 Campeon del Caribe $30
109 Jubilo Popular $20
110 Hermen Hill $20
111 Jim Holt  $25
112 Orlando Pe=F1a $30
113 Jugada en 1ra. $20
114 Harold King $25
117 Allan Closter $30
118 Clarence Gaston $55
119 John Morris $25
123 Gonzalo Marquez $30
124 Luis Pe=F1alver $12
125 Alberto Cambero $18
127 Juan Campos $20
128 William Castillo $20
129  Nelson Garcia $15
130 Ramon Guanchez $15
132 Manuel Mendible $20
133 Teodoro Obregon $25
134 Jesus Padron $20
135 Ulisers Urrieta $20
136 Antonio Torres $18
138 Pompeyo Davalillo $30
139 Alonso Olivares $20
140 Una Amenaza en 1ra. $18
141 Novatos en Accion $20
143 Andres Barrios $20
144 Heriberto Morillo $20
145 Angel Cordova $20
146 Freddy Rivero $18
147 Rafael Velasquez $20
148 Camilo Pascual $45
150 Luis Tiant  $20
151 Roberto Herrera $30
152 Kurt Devaqua $30
153 Cookie Rojas $45
155 Rich Scheinblum $40
156 Diego Segui $45
157 Gregory Conger $25
158 Richrad Falker $25
159 Ed Sprague $30
160 Roster Caracas $35
161 Luis Aparicio $65
162 Teolindo Acosta $40
163 Gustavo Sposito $30
164 Juan Francia $20
165 Graciliano Parra $20
166 Simon Salaya $20
167 Nelson Castellano $20
168 Edgar Urbina $20
169 Luis Gonzalez $20
170 Olinto Rojas $18
171 Everest Contramaestre $20
172 Juan Quiroz $20
173 Juan Quintana $18
175 Jesus Llamozas $18
176 Luis Aparicio $75
177 Aparicio Padre $50
178 Antonio Nu=F1ez $40
179 Carlos Bell $40
180 Alfonso Carrasquel $57
182 Logo Aguilas $20
185 Equipo Magallanes $25
186 Jugada en 3ra. $20
187 Jugada en Home $20
189 Teolindo y Sposito $25
190 Leopoldo Cardenas $20
191 Bart Johnson $30
192 Jerry Crider $30
194 John Matias $20
195 Walter Williams $25
196 Steve Hovley $25
197 Frank Fernandez $20
198 John Donalson $20
199 Donald Eddy $20
200 Roster Zulia $35
201 Jose Herrera $30
204 Angel Bravo $30
207 Carlos Moreno $20
208 Adolfo Philips $30
211 Oswaldo Troconis $18
212 Robert Marcano $30
213 Victor Pati=F1o $20
214 Hector Urbano $20
216 Dave Garcia $25
217 Graciano Ravelo $18
218 Reinaldo Cordeiro $20
220 La Tropa Completa $20
221 Tomas Arias $15
222 Logo La Guaira $20
223 Jesius Romero $20
224 Julian Ya=F1ez $20
225 Enrique Gutierrez $18
226 Dionel Durand $20
227 Jose Salas $20
228 Luis Garcia $20
230 Luis Contreras $20
231 Ed Spiezio $20
233 Mike Epstein $30
234 Casey Cox $30
237 Danny Coombs $18
238 Del Unser  $30
239 Hector Brito $20
240 Roster La Guaira $20
241 Jonron de Howard $30
242 Jonron de Spiezio $20
246 Pasion en el Juego $25
247 LuisAparicio al Bate $60
248 El Bravo de La Guaira $30
251 Enrique Fonseca $25
252 Manuel Malpica $25
253 Emilio Cueche $15
254 Vidal Lopez $20
255 Felix Machado $20
256 Heberto Leal $25
257 Chucho Ramos $25
259 Carlos Ascanio $30
260 Juan Perez Colmenares $25
261 Isaias Chavez $25
262 Victor Garcia $25
263 Valentin Arevalo $25
264 Adolfredo Gonzalez $25
265 Hector Benitez $25
266 Ramon Fernandez $20
267 Guillermo Vento $25
268 Rafael Garcia $25
269 Luis Oliveros $25
270 Luis Zuloaga $25
271 Carlos Santeliz $25
272 Aureliano Pati=F1o $25
274 Tarzan Contreras $25
275 Daniel Canonico $25
276 Balbino Fuenmayor $20
277 Rafael Galiz $25
278 Pantaleon Espinoza $25
280 Ramon Monzant $40
282 Luis Garcia $35
283 Balbino Inojosa $20
284 Humberto Leal $25
286 Ignacio Flores $20
287 Oscar Solorzano $20
288 Pelayo Chacon $35
289 Jose Casanova $25
290 Nicolas Berbesia $25
291 Julio Bracho $25
295 Jose Tovar 20
296 Carrao Bracho 45

Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela   72/73

12 Jose Torres $10
19 Orlando Galindo $10
26 Leovani Baez $10
30 Carlos Orea $10
31 Rod Carew $50
34 Enos Cabell $25
37 Rod Theobod $10
40 Ed Farmer $10
43 Erasmo Diaz $10
45 Robert Lee $10
48 Rafael Alvarez $10
61 Bobby Mitchell $10
66 Richard Heninger $10
68 George Manz $10
69 John Lowenstein $10
73 Barry Raziano $15
74 Roster Cardenales $50
76 Robert Mitchell $10
77 Harold Hunter $10
79 Carlos Avila $10
86 Jose Jimenez $10
93 Esteban Padron $10
99 Jerry Pirtle $10
101 Miguel Motolongo $10
102 Grupo Navegantes $10
107 Jerry Jones $15
108 Eddy Leon $10
115 Bob Darwin 3/4 $10
119 Roster Navegantes $25
129 Arquilio Freites $10
130 Emilio Rodriguez $10
135 Nelson Garcia $15
136 Jose V. Caldera $10
137 Antonio Armas $10
151 Rafael Jimenez $10
156 Ramon Webster $25
157 Francisco Navas $10
161 Jesus Camacaro $10
162 Ruiz y Paiva $10
177 William Kirkpatrick $10
180 Heriberto Lemus $10
185 Mickey Scott $10
194 Eduardo Benitez $10
197 Levy Ochoa $10
198 Hely Boscan $10
200 Luis Rivas $10
216 Grupo Tiburones $10
217 Jose Salas $15
222 Ivan Murrell $20
223 Jose Cardenal $35
224 Grupo Tiburones $10
227 Tom Murphy $10
235 Ken Forsch $30
240 Luis Tiant 4/4 $20
241 Jim Rooker 1/4 $20
242 Jim Rooker 2/4 $20
243 William Parker $10
245 Jim Rooker 4/4 $20
248 Ivan Murrell $10

Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela 76/77

4 Ra=FAl Ortega $20
6 Jes=FAs Araujo $20
7 Preston Hanna $20
15 Angel Hernandez $20
17 Fred Andrews $20
19 Jim Todd  $20
20 Jefry Newman $20
22 Simon Barreto $20
23 Willie Norwood $20
31 Carlos Avila $20
35 Jugada Tigres $22
42 Jose Sandoval $20
44 Pedro Lobaton $20
45 Jim Norris  $20
50 Carlos Rodriguez $20
60 Nelson Ca=F1as $20
64 Francisco Navas $20
69 Eddie Baez $20
70 Walter Williams $20
74 Alfonso Carrasquel $40
89 Marcano Trillo $40
118 Rupert Jones $20
123 Steve Lubber $30
124 Edwin Verhelst $20
135 Larry Gura $25
137 Pastor Perez $20
147 Manuel Gonzalez $30
151 Steve Dillard $20
152 Mitchell Page $35
156 Chris Batton $20
160 Miguel Barreto $20
162 Steve Nicosia $30
167 Nelson Paiva $20
169 Ruben Cabrera $20
175 Billy Moran $20
181 Luis Aparicio $45
193 Andrews Dyes $20
203 Gary Mertz $20
204 Lamar Johnson $20
210 Norman Shiera $20
217 Jugada Leones $20
231 Jugada Leones $20
233 Jugada Aguilas $20
237 Jugada Tiburones $20
238 Jugada Tiburones $20
242 Davalillo y Lacheman $30
244 Jugada Tiburones $20
245 Jugada Tiburones $20
247 Jugada Aguilas $25
248 Jugada Tiburones $25
250 Jugada Tiburones $20
251 Jugada Tiburones $20
252 Jugada Tiburones $25
253 Jugada Tiburones $20
254 Jugada Tiburones $20
255 Jugada Tiburones $20
256 Jugada Tiburones $20
257 Jugada Leones $25
258 Jugada Tiburones $20
262 Club House Tiburones $20
263 Club House Tiburones $20
266 Jugada Tiburones $20
267 Jugada Tiburones $20
268 Jugada Tiburones $20
270 Jugada Aguila $25

Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela  77/78

4 Ra=FAl Ortega $20
5 Sim=F3n Barreto $20
7 Jerry Cram $25
10 =C1ngel Hern=E1ndez $20
11 John McAllen $20
13 Dale Murray $20
19 Sakata  $20
22 Carlos Avila $20
28 Jes=FAs Padr=F3n $20
31 Luis Rivas $20
32 Bob Slater $25
34 Dave Saderholm $22
35 Luis Benitez $20
37 Luis Bravo $20
39 Terry Whitfield $30
41 Mike Lum  $20
44 Joe Zdeb  $20
85 Jim Willoughby $20
87 Mark Daly  $20
88 Tom House $20
90 Dave Clyde $20
92 Ken McGilberry $20
96 Luis Mer. S=E1nchez $20
99 Edwin Verheist $20
100 John Wathan $20
101 Rub=E9n Alcala $20
106 Pastor P=E9rez $20
108 Luis Salazar $30
112 Gabriel Ferrero $20
113 Clint Hurdle $25
115 Lester Morales $20
116 Carlos Hern=E1ndez $20
117 Nelo Lira  $20
119 Marcos Lunar $20
120 Franklin Moreno $20
121 Jerry Manuel $25
124 Roric Harrison $20
127 Reggie Jackson 1/9 $20
128 Reggie Jackson 2/9 $20
129 Reggie Jackson 3/9 $20
131 Reggie Jackson 5/9 $20
132 Reggie Jackson 6/9 $20
133 Reggie Jackson 7/9 $20
134 Reggie Jackson 8/9 $20
135 Reggie Jackson 9/9 $20
136 Reggie Jackson $20
137 Rod Carew $60
138 David Concepci=F3n $20
139 Joe Morgan $20
140 Dave Parker $45
141 Carlton Fisk $55
142 Garry Maddox $20
144 Fred Lynn  $30
145 lou Piniella $45
148 Mitchell Page $20
149 Spoarky Lyle $35
150 Manny Sanguillen $25
153 Dave Lopes $20
155 Rich Hebner $20
164 C=E9sar Geronimo $20
167 Bill Campbell $20
175 Frank Tanana $20
177 Willie McCovey $55
179 Chris Chambliss $20
180 Bill Russell $20
182 Leonardo Posada $12
184 Enrique Gonz=E1lez $20
185 Brian Abraham $20
186 Luis Aponte $20
187 Jos=E9 L=F3pez $20
189 Tom Dixson $25
190 Gary Melson $20
198 Roberto Mu=F1oz $25
199 Roger Polanco $20
201 Hern=E1n Silva $20
205 Jos=E9 V. Caldera $20
208 Gary Metzeger $20
210 Arturo S=E1nchez $20
213 Arnaldo Alvarado $20
220 Gary Gray  $20
221 Gustavo Gil $20
224 R. Sawyer  $20
228 Manuel Gonz=E1lez $20
229 Olinto Rojas $20
230 Gregorio Machado $20
231 Ali Arape  $20
232 Miguel Barreto $20
235 Ed Glynn  $20
236 Luis Jim=E9nez $20
237 Bob Adams $20
238 Edito arteaga $20
239 Rafael Cariel $20
240 Eddie Salomon $20
241 Rick Williams $20
242 Miguel Nava $20
244 Mike Edwards $25
245 Earl Stephenson $20
246 Alfonso Collazo $20
247 Rub=E9n Cabrera $20
248 Alfredo Torres $20
249 John Valle $20
250 Jes=FAs Aristimu=F1o $20
251 Joe Cannon $25
252 John Pacella $20
254 Gary Hargis $20
255 Nelson Paiva $20
257 Alexis Ram=EDrez $20
260 Mark Wagner $20
264 Willie Aaron $20
266 Norman Angellini $20
267 Fred Breining $20
270 Harry Doris $20
275 Gilberto Marcano $20
276 Jos=E9 Alfaro $20
279 Johel Chourio $20
281 Charles Kiffin $20
285 Lonnie Smith $35
286 Manny Seoane $20
289 Danny Warthen $20
290 Sebastian Mart=EDnez $20
292 Steven Waterburry $20
293 Gustavo Sposito $20
294 Billy Connors $25
296 Alfredo Velasquez $20
298 Todd Cruz $25
299 Efren Chourio $20
300 Tim Norrid $25
301 Leonel Carrion $25
302 Dario Chirinos $20
303 Bob Darwin $30
304 Levy Ochoa $20
306 Antonio Garc=EDa $20
309 Emilio Rodr=EDguez $20
310 Roger Brown $20
314 Early Espino $20
316 Luis Aparicio $45
321 Pablo Torrealba $25
344 Juan Monasterios $20
347 Mike Scott $25
350 Bob Oliver $25
351 Tim Johnson $25
355 Gary Woods $25
358 Don Lepper $20
361 Acci=F3n  $20
362 Acci=F3n  $20
364 Acci=F3n  $20
365 Acci=F3n  $35
366 Acci=F3n  $30
367 Acci=F3n  $30
368 Acci=F3n  $30
369 Acci=F3n  $20
371 Acci=F3n  $20
373 Acci=F3n  $20
375 Acci=F3n  $20
376 Acci=F3n  $20
392 Acci=F3n  $20
393 Acci=F3n  $20
394 Acci=F3n  $20
399 Acci=F3n  $20
402 Acci=F3n  $40

Beisbol Profesional de Venezuela  88/89

10 Mark Portugal $5
12 Hugh Kemp $3
14 David Concepcion $9
20 Alvaro Espinoza $4
26 Eduardo Perez $3
43 Andres Galarraga $9
48 Omar Vizquel $9
74 Aurelio Monteagudo $8
80 Luis Salazar $8
88 Alfredo Pedrique $6
89 Oswaldo Guillen $9
111 Pablo Torrealba $6
117 Luis Aponte $6
123 Luis Sojo     $8
127 Robert Ducey $6
128 Omar Malave $4
145 Felipe Rojas Alou $9
167 Lester Straker $6
172 Tom Prince $3

OTHERS COLLECTIONS AND COLLECTIBLES

Chico Carrasquel and Luis Aparicio (stars of the White Sox) autographs!: originals
serigraph-lithography. With frame. 11.5 x 9.6". Unique edition!!! $250

PHOTOS WITH FRAME ON SALE, ONLY HERE!!!: Barry Bonds with Navegantes del Magallanes,
team of Venezuelan Winter League. I have also Pete Rose (Leones del
Caracas) and Greg Maddux (Aguilas del Zulia). $120 (each)

More 1,000 Latin Americans collection: Republica Dominicana, Puerto Rico, M=E9xico,
Nicaragua, Panam=E1, Colombia, Honduras, Cuba, caribbeans, Latin born
in USA: Minnie Mi=F1oso, Ruben Amaro, Tony Perez, Rod Carew, Dennis Mart=EDnez,
Roberto Clemente, Mateo, Felipe, Jesus y Moises Alou, Rico Carty, Pedro
Martinez (include minor league baseball cards), Vladimir Guerrero, Sammy
Sosa, Sandy, Roberto y Sandy Alomar Jr., Juan Gonz=E1lez, Jose Canseco,Tony
Pe=F1a, Manny Ram=EDrez, Alex Rodriguez (include minor leagues), LuisGonz=E1lez,
Alfonso Soriano, Fernando Valenzuela, Willy Miranda, Andr=E9s Galarraga,
Ozzie Guillen, Luis Aparicio, Omar Vizquel. The whole collectionin
a deluxe album. The whole collection in a deluxe album. $4,500

ON SALE!!! ONLY HERE!!!: Roberto Alomar-Edgardo Alfonzo-Tony Pe=F1a baseball
card in Caribbean Serie ($65). Jeff Kent baseball card with the jersey ofCardenales
de Lara, of the Venezuelan winter league ($60)

Venezuelan baseball players collection: Alejandro Carrasquel, Alfonso Carrasquel,
Luis Aparicio, Ramon Monzant, Dave Concepcion, Andres Galarraga, Ozzie
Guillen, Tony Armas, Bo Diaz. More than 600 players of all the times, inMajor
League Baseball, Japanese, minor leagues. The whole collection in a deluxe
album. $6,200

Old medias guides $10 (each). Please, see our website here: http://www.record-international.com/baseballtradingcards/12.htm

Free bonus with the buy of any collection:

Oswaldo Guill=E9n 1 Jumbo 7" x 5"
Oswaldo Guill=E9n 2 Postales
Omar Vizquel 1 Promo Polar
Edgardo Alfonzo 1 photo 8 x 10
Andres Galarraga (Montreal Expos) 1 photo 8 x 10

IMPORTANT: this is not a spam. If you want me to stop sending you emails like
is, reply this email with the word unsubscribe in the subject.

Steve, remember, I am open to listen to your opinion about the price of this
sale proposal. E mail me back
Thanks a lot!
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: need starter 61 or 64 set
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:30:24 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

looking for 61or64 starter set, kit okamuro

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: hof
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 17:17:54 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

anyone going to the hof soon, i need a favor. kit okamuro

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Availables: 1970 Topps Posters
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 22:41:37 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Anyone have these on their list?  I want to move them out.

#18 Ollie Brown  -  Keith?
#24 Denny McLain.  Two available.
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Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:54:22 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Grizzly Alert!
From: "jimbo777777 " 

Howdy folks!  There's been a Grizzly sighting in France!  As follows:

hey, Jim, would you please pass this on to the group.

hey guys, greetings from Chamonix, France.
Weather and skiing are wonderful.
Hope all is well.

=================

Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 18:57:13 EST
Subject: T218, T220 prices
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Does there exist a price guide for these cards?  I have an idea of what I'll
pay for them (given that I don't actively collect them...yet) but would like
to have a better understanding of what they "book" for.  Yes, I can check
ebay's completed auctions for a reality check, but a guide would be nice to
have.  If a guide exists, could somebody please send me a photocopy of these
two listings?

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: This is just a cool card....
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:36:57 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

I know it is "UV", but you have to take a look at this card.
I think you have to admit that it is very cool!   Guys who
collect pre-war and turn-of-the-century stuff... what do you

the front:
http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/mantle-mays.JPG
the back:
http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/mantle-mays-back.JPG

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To: "Sean McGowan" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This is just a cool card....
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 23:29:16 -0500
From: "galtemos" 

What are those two objects below Willie Mays?  The one on the right looks
like a rabbit.  Why would they put a picture of a rabbit on a baseball

Also, the baseball cap and glove below the Mantle portrait appear to be
from a much earlier era.  Why not use pictures of a cap and glove from
Mantle's era?

Here is one of my favorite pictures of Mantle.

> From: Sean McGowan 
> To: ramblings 
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] This is just a cool card....
> Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:36 PM
> I know it is "UV", but you have to take a look at this card.
> I think you have to admit that it is very cool!   Guys who
> collect pre-war and turn-of-the-century stuff... what do you
> think?
> the front:
> http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/mantle-mays.JPG
> the back:
> http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/mantle-mays-back.JPG
> Sean
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This is just a cool card....
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:35:49 -0700
From: "Todd Knowles" 

This was a set based on the T202 'Triplefolders' set by Hassan
reprinted by Upper Deck.  The 'rabbit' is actually a pair of old
baseball spikes and the other is a glove.  Apparently they wanted to
keep the original style of card intact, thus the older equipment.

----WARNING---UV ALERT----
P.S.  If anyone has a spare #162 from this set, it would finish it up
for me....

>What are those two objects below Willie Mays?  The one on the right
>like a rabbit.  Why would they put a picture of a rabbit on a

>Also, the baseball cap and glove below the Mantle portrait appear to
>from a much earlier era.  Why not use pictures of a cap and glove
>Mantle's era?

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To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Thanks] BIG THANKS TODAY
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:47:22 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

Josh (and anyone else interested in T205s) --

I can't believe you got that card for $15!!  I scoured the earth just
trying to find it and then had to pay a bunch to add it to my binder.  It
wasn't my last card, but it was the one I worked the hardest to try to
find, that's for sure.  If anybody else is collecting the T205s and see
that Wagner card, pick it up becuase it might be awhile before you see it

Time to catch up on more email as I just got home from a trip...

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

----- Original Message -----
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 1/13/2003 6:46:37 PM
Subject: [OBC-Thanks] BIG THANKS TODAY

Today was a large thank you day...been a long time since I got 4 packages
in the mail (eventhough two were ebay buys)...

First...Joe Cerullo hits my Phillies wantlist with a '53 Redman Robin
Roberts and a bonus '53 Smokey Burgess that is auto'd. I compared it to a
real Smokey auto and they look the same!! Thanks Joe.

Second....Peter Mead chips in to the '61 Scoops set with four hits. Two
hits this week to that set!! Love it! Thanks Peter.

Ebay #1...some OPC stickers and oddball stuff. Several hits to my wantlist.

Ebay #2...a T-205 Charles Wagner...very tough card (ask Geno, if I recall
it was his last t-205 card and he looked a long time for it). I used a
buy-it-now to get this gem and paid....ta-dah...$15...Yes, Geno,
$15...creased and worn but the back is readable and the picture is all
there. Down to 22 cards to go (21 when the Turner I bought for less than
$30 gets here).

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 19:42:58 EST
Subject: anyone in austin next week?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I'm going to be in Austin, TX next week from Tuesday to Friday, anyone live
near there want to get together?

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Type list?
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:43:02 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 

A while back, there was a fairly comprehensive type list floating around.
If anybody can mail it to...obcmac@aol.com   I would appreciate it.  Note
that this is a different email address...don't know if my hotmail account
could handle the whole file.

Thanks in advance.

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:23:58 EST
Subject: Fun stuff
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Okay...several ebay lots in today including a tough t-205 (Vaughn--less than
$30 too!!)...Included in the lot was a Renato Galasso baseball hobby report
from 1983. This magazine included some neat articles and some interesting
pricing info...1983 a Mantle RC went for $850. A T-206 Wagner goes for
$12,000. Oh well...The hot card of the time was a '77 Dale Murphy RC.

One other interesting trivia article: What was the significance to the
baseball card hobby of Rube Marquad's death on June 1, 1980? (Scroll down for
wonderful answer to a great question!!)

Answer: He was the last surviving member of the T-206 set. He was the last
living player (of the 358 major leaugers---although the author states that he
is also the last living member of the entire set but is unable to locate a
few of the minor leaugers offical deaths) to be featured in that set and with
his death on June 1, 1980, the T-206 set can rest in peace.

I loved that.

-Joshua "Mr. Trivia" Levine

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Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:16:07 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
Subject: Question
From: "Kent Montgomery" 

Does anybody know or have dealt with a John Morrison???  I received an email
from him today offering to sell me cards from my wantlist.  He says he has
dealt with OBC before but I'm just checking to see if anyone knows him.=0D
Any help will be appreciated.=0D
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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:09:23 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Oh yes....John Morrison is a very good dealer. He sells under ebay handle oldbbcards
(or similar) and has both good selection and prices...give him a try
!!!  I was happy.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kent Montgomery
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:16 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question

Does anybody know or have dealt with a John Morrison???  I receivedan
email from him today offering to sell me cards from my wantlist.  He says
he has dealt with OBC before but I'm just checking to see if anyone knows

Any help will be appreciated.

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:12:16 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
Subject: question
From: "Kent Montgomery" 

Thanx everyone for the response and the info.  =0D
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 08:03:16 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: type list
From: dsh46@aol.com

to andy cook:

andy, the type list is on the obc website as a download.  i had it uploaded last year in the hopes of moving a related project along but as usual i've done nothing with it and probably won't do much more in the future.  i'm more wrapped up with a project on topps short prints these days (results may vary, details to follow soon--promise) and my focus is definitelyl on topps these days, which is hard enough to maintain lists for!

I would, however, be happy to keep track of updates to the list and post quarterly updates or something like that.

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Date: 18 Jan 2003 21:38:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC sniping
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 

Guys and Gals,  I know that accidents do happen and OBCers occasionally do
get outbid or sniped by someone from the group.  It's happened to me
before and I've done it once or twice unwittingly so therefore I usually
don't say anything about it.  But today I got outbid by an OBCer for about
the 4th or 5th time in the last 6 months, 3 times by the same person,  and
it's starting to bother me.  My ebay handle is mazhof and has been the
same for almost 5 years.

If there is a lot you want and another OBCer is high bidder please ask
before you outbid them.  Usually they will accomodate if you really need
the lot.  I've asked several times when it involved the last few cards I
needed for a set and always been accomodated.  In turn I've been happy to
accomodate a couple of times in return.  You just need to ask.

Sorry for venting this way.

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To: , 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC sniping
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 18:32:25 -0800
From: "Greg Conway" 

I'm not the guy that outbid John and I hope I never do outbid him or any
other OBCers, however it seems to me it may be a little much to expect
OBCers to memorize or even to cross-reference about 120 or so different ebay
user names with OBC guys. Some user names, being very similar to the email
names we use are easy to spot, others aren't. My advise is the same as I
give to people that are tired of being sniped. Bid the highest you are
willing to pay. If it's high enough, you'll win. Also, just because an OBCer
beats you out, doesn't mean you would have won it anyway. Many auctions have
three or four last minute/second bidders so if the OBC guy backs off, a
different guy might outbid you anyway.

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 1:38 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC sniping

> Guys and Gals,  I know that accidents do happen and OBCers occasionally do
> get outbid or sniped by someone from the group.  It's happened to me
> before and I've done it once or twice unwittingly so therefore I usually
> don't say anything about it.  But today I got outbid by an OBCer for about
> the 4th or 5th time in the last 6 months, 3 times by the same person,  and
> it's starting to bother me.  My ebay handle is mazhof and has been the
> same for almost 5 years.
> If there is a lot you want and another OBCer is high bidder please ask
> before you outbid them.  Usually they will accomodate if you really need
> the lot.  I've asked several times when it involved the last few cards I
> needed for a set and always been accomodated.  In turn I've been happy to
> accomodate a couple of times in return.  You just need to ask.
> Sorry for venting this way.
> Bama
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Ebay bidding
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:28:31 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

This is a topic that comes up quite a bit and will never be fully resolved.
I tend to agree with Greg.  I very rarely look at the high bidder, mostly
because I don't keep a list of OBCers, or maybe because I just tend to head
straight for the pic and description.  If anyone ever sees a lot I am
bidding on and wants to bid on it, please do.  I know I have not bid on
lots in the past because of an OBCer who held the high bid, then he was
outbid at the end and neither of us got the lot.  Most of the bidding I do
is on lots where I get a couple of cards and OBC gets the rest, so who
knows, you may get lucky and get it for free!  Just my two cents...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Ebay, Part Two
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:30:26 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

Sure enough, I was curious about the only lot I'm currently bidding on
(four Mantle cards with tape marks, 56-59).  I checked the bid history and
I think I outbid Doug DeJong.  Like I said, I'm not exactly prone to look
at the high bidder.  Sorry, Doug!  My max is $110 if anybody wants to
outbid me.  I need all four of them, but I was planning on sending at least
one out to a guy that I owe, so you see what I meant by OBCers benefitting
more than if some random dude won them.  Anyway, my apologies to Doug and
anybody else I have outbid in the past...

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:47:08 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Ebay, True Confessions
From: Neal Thomas 

After reading Bama's email, I checked the auctions I won today when
I got home from work.  Sure enough, I was the culprit.  I have
already cleared this up with Bama personally, and I assured him and
everyone that this was a mistake.  Unless I stumble across an
auction at the last minute, I routinely check the high bidder to
make sure that they aren't from OBC or VCT, or even someother guys
that I know that aren't in a club.  But I never knew Bama's name,
and I hope I can remember it from now on.

Also, to set the record striaght, this wasn't a snipe.  I put the
bid in hours before the auction ended, when I was having my morning

I too have been outbid by people I know, and I am sure that most
times it isn't intentional.  But it does happen.  I apoligize to
anyone that I have overbid, and I am sure it will happen again since
I agree that it is impossible to remember everyone's ID, especially
when it isn't their email or have an OBC in it somewhere.

=================

Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:47:13 EST
Subject: OBC Ebay sniping
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

John & All,
I am NOT the culprit and I do try and check the high bidder to see if an
OBCer might be trumped by me.  I have never knowingly bid over an OBCer
holding the high bid, since joining OBC.  I have had bids of mine driven up
by an OBCer, who did not realize he was bidding against me.    Moreover, many
people now have "sniper" software, which allow them to place a bid early that
is not sent to Ebay until a few seconds remain in the auction.  Therefore,
they may have bid even before I did, but I could not have known this.  They
may then end up sniping me, but actually placed the bid earlier.
Frustrating, but as stated earlier, there is no perfect way to avoid this.
My $.02.
Mike Rich

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:47:38 -0500
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 69 Milton Bradley Checklist?
From: Dan Austin 

Anyone have an electronic version of the 1969 Milton Bradley Checklist (296
cards)?  I'd appreciate anyone who can dig one up.  If not, I'm going to
have to type it in by hand, and that doesn't sound fun... ;-)

- Dan

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:54:20 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay bidding
To: illini90@earthlink.net
From: Mark S Talbot 
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT


Hi All,

    John, Geno and Greg all bring up good points and
as Geno points out this is not a new discussion.  For the most part
I try not to outbid a fellow collector that I know, but I'm human and have
missed that at times.  One of the things I am guilty of is bidding
on cards at the last minute,  if I win an auction from somebody I
usually want to win 3 - 5 more from the same guy so that I can get my "bang
for the buck" with regards to S&H.  It's just a pet peeve of mine,
if I got to spend $3 for shipping I want 5 or 6 cards shipped instead of
one.  As a result of my madness I will often just go to the seller
master list and blast away at anything that looks interesting, odd, old
or cool and of course cheap.  I'm usually racing the clock at this
point and often pay no attention to anything but the clock.  So I'll
step on someone from time to time with this strategy.  It's not on
purpose but it happens.

    Finally, we can jump to the quick on this, in the
final analysis some are very careful not to bid against fellow collectors,
some are as careful as they can be, and some don't care and will bid on
whatever they want within their price range.  We will eventually agree
to disagree.  But let me fill you in on a little secret, what ever
it was that you were outbid on - the same item with be up for grabs once
again somewhere and at sometime.  Unless you are committed to finishing
your collection in a certain time frame then relax, the cardboard you seek
will turn up.  I have come to the realization that my collection will
never be finished, it simply grows larger and deeper in content. 
That of course my friends is a time intensive labor and one that I have
grown to love.  So those `72 HI numbers I always lose by 25¢
will eventually make it to my binder, it's just going to take some time.

There my long wind expose, want to chime in with yours!!!  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Geno Wagner wrote:

 OBCers --

This is a topic that comes up quite a bit and will never be fully

I tend to agree with Greg.  I very rarely look at the high
bidder, mostly

because I don't keep a list of OBCers, or maybe because I just
tend to head

straight for the pic and description.  If anyone ever sees
a lot I am

bidding on and wants to bid on it, please do.  I know I have
not bid on

lots in the past because of an OBCer who held the high bid, then
he was

outbid at the end and neither of us got the lot.  Most of
the bidding I do

is on lots where I get a couple of cards and OBC gets the rest,
so who

knows, you may get lucky and get it for free!  Just my two

Geno Wagner

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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 20:54:39 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay, True Confessions
To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

I want to put everyone on notice that I place bids with AuctionStealer
SnipeTool as soon as I am aware of an auction with cards I need or want, so
that I do not have to waste time watching the end of the time periods.   If I
outbid a member for a card or cards, please notify me and I will work out a
deal.   However, please take this as fair warning that I will not change my
modus operendi to require more of my time to chase auctions.
Brock H.
"ecru" on eBay

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To: , , 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay, True Confessions
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:14:56 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Guys, I must say that I don't think you should really take it too personally
if you get out bid on ebay, no matter who it is that outbids you or what organizations
you belong to.   The basic premise of ebay is that whoever iswilling
to pay the most for a certain item will win it.   I would think that
if you are willing to pay more for a card than somebody else,  this would
be a good enough reason to kindly outbid somebody, whether they are Joe OBC
or Joe Shlabotnik.

I don't know of any occasions when I have outbid any OBCers, but will tell you
that the only time I will intentionally not bid on something I'm interested
in is when I recognize the user ID from memory, or if the ID contains the
"OBC" designation somewhere in it, as some of you are prone to put.   While
I think this is a good idea, I am not going to go back and change my ebay
ID just so other OBCers will know who I am.  (Topps56 for those that are

Just my 2 cents (maybe a half dollar......) but come on.......  like othershave
mentioned, ignoring the premise of ebay, the premise of OBC is that "what
goes around comes around."   So, if you don't want to get outbid, either
bid the maximum amount you are comfortable with, or use a snipe tool.  Then
don't complain if you loose.

----- Original Message -----
From: brockhattox@cs.com
To: nthomas@pol.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay, True Confessions

I want to put everyone on notice that I place bids with AuctionStealer SnipeTool
as soon as I am aware of an auction with cards I need or want, so that
I do not have to waste time watching the end of the time periods.   If I
outbid a member for a card or cards, please notify me and I will work outa
deal.   However, please take this as fair warning that I will not changemy
modus operendi to require more of my time to chase auctions.
Brock H.
"ecru" on eBay
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Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:22:09 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay, True Confessions
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

To John Collins message,  I would add that I recently won a lot of 173 Goudey
commons on eBay.   I did not have a dozen or so of the cards, and some of the
others were upgrades, but I took the 150 or so  leftovers and mailed them out
to traders.    This proves the premise -- what goes around, comes around.

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:11:28 EST
Subject: Fun diversion on BaseballReference.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

Most of you have checked out BaseballReference.com. Maybe you all have seen
this feature before, I hadn't. They have the equivalent of "Six Degrees of
Kevin Bacon." You put in two names of ballplayers, and the computer
establishes a "link" between the names, using mutual teammates.

The incredible thing is how few links it takes, usually not more than 5 or 6
- and I put in combinations like Cap Anson/Karim Garcia. Certain players come
up again and again as links - Joe Nuxhall and Minnie Minoso seem to be

And, to risk being politically incorrect, I also discovered my new favorite
baseball player name - the immortal Johnny Dickshot. I'd wager that Johnny
grew up fairly tough......

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:23:51 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
Subject: ebay overbids
From: "Kent Montgomery" 

Being a "newbie", I can only put my 1 cent worth in, but I kinda agree with
Greg in that it's hard to know everybody's ebay name.  When I bid on ebay,
it's usually at the last minute, so unless I knew in advance the high bidder
was from our group, I only have enough time to get my bid in.=0D
One suggestion, and I think maybe someone already mentioned this.  Set up
your ebay account with the letters OBC in it somewhere.  Hopefully, then if
we want to bid on an auction, and realize the high bidder is one of us, we
can back off.=0D
Also, if we see that an auction has an OBC member as a bidder, maybe we can
contact them and work out a deal in which we can share the cards the high
bidder wins (hopefully), and doesn't need (and also share the bid price
accordingly). =0D
It's just a thought.=0D
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To: 
Subject: re: ebay sniping
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:21:34 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

Bama: I think it is unrealistic to expect members to check or memorize ebayids
before bidding. If you change your ebay id to reflect your obc membership
this should help. I believe the only "penalty" for changing your ebay id
is a picture of sunglasses next to your id showing that it was changed recently,
and the sunglasses are removed after a short time. Guru (obc-guru on

=================

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 06:50:54 EST
Subject: Re: eBay bidding
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

...but Josh is always bidding first on all the T205's I want!! :-P

Ken M

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To: 
Subject: The Art of Doing a Card Show
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 15:56:52 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

I may be onto something here. The bi-monthly Vancouver Show (not to be
confused with The Big One) was today. Tiger Dave emailed me the other day
and asked if I would meet him there, he was in a buying mood, he said. Of
course I did, and I beat him there by 20 minutes, which gave me time to tour
the room with about 50 tables, eliminate 48, and get ready to zero in on two
tables with vintage. I was just working on the first one, Dave came up and
said hello, then he bought the entire table. I ended up carrying about 2500
cards around for Dave as I headed for the last vintage table.

I found a place to put the cards down and was just getting into a binder
with '57 thru '64, Dave said "excuse me" and bought about 75% of that table
too. In other words, he got to cherry-pick, and naturally took everything
that I was interested in. He did use me as a resource while he was going
through stuff, which was okay with me, since at least I got to play with
cards, even if they weren't mine. After his wheeling and dealing, he
announced that he was tired and needed a beer and hot wings, so we adjourned
to a local pub...yes Mike D., the same one you visited I think...Pub Med.

I started to walk towards the pub, and Dave called me back, to carry in
about 8 boxes of cards, and said we might as well put some of these into
holders and get them organized. I pulled a few cards along the way that I
was interested, and we sorted cards for about 2 hours. I almost forgot to
drink my beer, which is a serious situation.

It came time to part, and Dave asked me what I had pulled for myself...the
stack wasn't very big...maybe 25 cards or so...including a '59 Mays,
Skowron, and maybe 10 commons, a '60 Stengel and a few '60 Hi #'s, including
All Stars, a couple of woodie tints, etc. Not only did Dave buy lunch, the
stack of cards cost me 10 bucks Canuck, around $6 U.S. All in all, a good
day at the card show, even though I wasn't allowed to buy anything.

=================

Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 17:07:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Thanks to the "Guru"...
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I've said before that my wife isn't really
enthusiastic about my collecting, so when I read a
couple weeks ago about Larry Tipton's short "road
trip" a few weeks ago, I hatched a devious plan.
Since Larry had to drive near my house to get to St.
Augustine (the oldest city in the U.S.), I was
definitely willing to drive 20 minutes to pick up some
affordable vintage cardboard.

While Ellen isn't really big on my collecting, she
does like to shop in antique stores (as long as they
don't use the word "boutique").  When I found out that
there was a shop that sold vintage cards nestled in a
small cluster of antique stores, I decided to let
Ellen know about the cluster...while conveniently
forgetting to mention the card shop.

We got through a couple antique stores, and then
arrived in front of the card shop around 3:30.  The
first thing I noticed was a sign that said "CLOSED" in
the door.  After I looked through the window with a
sad "puppy dog" look, I sighed and began to walk
toward the next antique shop when I hear the door
unlock.  The lady said that she was closing, but would
be happy to let me look around!

After passing a box of hundreds of '63 Topps (75 cents
each) and some 1970/71 Topps basketball (also 75 cents
each), I found several boxes of 1970s cards for  25
cebnts apiece, and a box of 1960s baseball/football
for a dollar each.  I picked up some '62 Topps, and
moved over to the showcase, where there were several
stacks of 50s cards.  While I was thumbing through
them, Ellen did something unexpected: she came over
with a binder of $1 cards and asked, "Are these what
you're looking for?"

The binder had a bunch of 1950s and '60s cards, and I
must have looked like a kid in a candy shop.  I pulled
all the 1951 Topps cards they had, some '54 Topps and
a few Bowman cards.  Finally, I picked up one '47 Bond
Bread card (because I didn't have one) and let the
lady close the store.

For $24, here's what I got: THREE '51 Blue Backs, a
'51 Red Back, 2 1952 Bowmans, a '54 Bowman, 5 '54
Topps, 5 "woodies" and a '47 Bond Bread card.  I must
say thanks to Larry and will be certain to scope the
place out again...If anybody has 1963 Topps, '70/71
Basketball, '70 Topps (including high #s), or '71 and
'72 Topps on their wantlists and need me to do a
"dealer scum" run for them, let me know before I head
out again next week.

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:22:58 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Milton Bradley Checklists-o-rama!
From: Dan Austin 

A big thanks to Steve Rittenberg for providing some great 69/70/72 Milton
Bradley Checklists.  To save others from having to duplicate this effort, I
have placed the checklists on the OBC checklist page.  I hope some of you
will find them useful...

http://www.oldbaseball.com/checklists/69milton_bradley.html
http://www.oldbaseball.com/checklists/70milton_bradley.html
http://www.oldbaseball.com/checklists/72milton_bradley.html

- Dan

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
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So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: ebay bidding discussion
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:13:26 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" 

If you look at the ebay rules (and just think about it ethically) ebay members
are not allowed to interfere with transactions of other members (the sellers).
If someone backs off because they chose to, there is no "interference."
If an ebay member contacts bidders and suggests that they not bid for whatever
reason, it may violate one of the ebay rules regarding not interfering
with a seller's transaction - even if you believe the seller's representations
to be incorrect.
George Vrechek

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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:57:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Thanks to the "Guru"...
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I forgot to mention...This morning my 1951 Topps
collection consisted of a single Red Back (Mel
Parnell), which I bought back in '92.  Now, it's up to
two Red Backs and three Blue Backs!

--- Chris Stufflestreet 
> I've said before that my wife isn't really
> enthusiastic about my collecting, so when I read a
> couple weeks ago about Larry Tipton's short "road
> trip" a few weeks ago, I hatched a devious plan.
> Since Larry had to drive near my house to get to St.
> Augustine (the oldest city in the U.S.), I was
> definitely willing to drive 20 minutes to pick up
> some
> affordable vintage cardboard.
> While Ellen isn't really big on my collecting, she
> does like to shop in antique stores (as long as they
> don't use the word "boutique").  When I found out
> that
> there was a shop that sold vintage cards nestled in
> a
> small cluster of antique stores, I decided to let
> Ellen know about the cluster...while conveniently
> forgetting to mention the card shop.
> We got through a couple antique stores, and then
> arrived in front of the card shop around 3:30.  The
> first thing I noticed was a sign that said "CLOSED"
> in
> the door.  After I looked through the window with a
> sad "puppy dog" look, I sighed and began to walk
> toward the next antique shop when I hear the door
> unlock.  The lady said that she was closing, but
> would
> be happy to let me look around!
> After passing a box of hundreds of '63 Topps (75
> cents
> each) and some 1970/71 Topps basketball (also 75
> cents
> each), I found several boxes of 1970s cards for  25
> cebnts apiece, and a box of 1960s baseball/football
> for a dollar each.  I picked up some '62 Topps, and
> moved over to the showcase, where there were several
> stacks of 50s cards.  While I was thumbing through
> them, Ellen did something unexpected: she came over
> with a binder of $1 cards and asked, "Are these what
> you're looking for?"
> The binder had a bunch of 1950s and '60s cards, and
> I
> must have looked like a kid in a candy shop.  I
> pulled
> all the 1951 Topps cards they had, some '54 Topps
> and
> a few Bowman cards.  Finally, I picked up one '47
> Bond
> Bread card (because I didn't have one) and let the
> lady close the store.
> For $24, here's what I got: THREE '51 Blue Backs, a
> '51 Red Back, 2 1952 Bowmans, a '54 Bowman, 5 '54
> Topps, 5 "woodies" and a '47 Bond Bread card.  I
> must
> say thanks to Larry and will be certain to scope the
> place out again...If anybody has 1963 Topps, '70/71
> Basketball, '70 Topps (including high #s), or '71
> and
> '72 Topps on their wantlists and need me to do a
> "dealer scum" run for them, let me know before I
> head
> out again next week.
> Take care,
> Chris
> =====
> I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.
> To view my online wantlist, visit:
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Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:45:33 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Martians
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Here's one I've heard before...

ebay item #2701673605

<<>>

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: super bowl pool! :)
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:03:14 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Last chance to get in!   It is the Raiders v. the Bucs.  Tomorrow I will
have the dramatic
drawing of the numbers!  I will start in the evening sometime and put up a
few numbers
at a time to keep the suspense level high :)   I will have my daughter Kelly
do the number drawing,
just to keep me honest.  She can't be bribed... except maybe with chocolate!
Don't worry,  I have a class starting soon and I won't be nearly so bored
after that! :)
So, you have until Monday evening to get in, then I draw numbers.  Check the
names out
at http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/pool.htm to make sure I haven't goofed.
(the only one)
Go OBC!

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To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding discussion
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:40:12 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 

Well, I was going to keep silent on this issue, but George's message
motivated me to add my opinion in this much discussed issue.

The rules of ebay are not based on what is ethical, but rather on what is
profit maximizing.  Yes, technically you might be breaking these rules of
profit maximization by contacting another obc'er who has bid against you,
but you are not violating any ethical standard by doing so.  Rather, it is
the act of knowingly bidding against another obc'er that violates what I
believe to be the ethical standard of obc.

The question really is: Is the difference in price between this auction and
the next best opportunity to find the card big enough to compensate for any
negatives feelings (negative utility for economists) I might have from
taking the card away from another obc'er (adjusted for some probability
factor if you want to get complicated).  To me, and I think to most obc'ers,
taking the card out of another obc'ers hands has a significant negative
effect...even if my willingness to pay was higher.  To hide behind the idea
that a slight improvement in distibutional efficiency is a justification for
what is only one's zero valuation of another obc'ers happiness (utility)
from winning the bid is a violation of obc's ethical standard.

That being said, anyone can outbid me if they choose to.  If you send a
little note giving any kind of reason, that is good enough for me.  Even if
the lot has already closed, 9 times out of 10, I'd be happy to sell it to
you at my price.  Feel free to take over bids too...just please either ask
first or change your id so I don't know who the inconsiderate jerk is.  For
the most part I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...people don't look,
use sniping software etc...but I know of at least two obc'ers who would
gladly snatch a good deal out of another obc'ers hands.  Frankly that
offends me.

On the other hand, I know most of you share the same joy I share when an
obc'er scores a great deal.  Once I had a ridiculously low bid on a 64
Mantle that held up.  After the auction closed, Iggy emailed me to
congratulate me on the deal.  He was going to snipe it, saw that it was an
obc'er, and let it go.  I know that's tough to do sometimes, but it's my
high standard of what I expect from obc and what I practice.  Just because I
expect it though doesn't mean I don't appreciate it.  Iggy's consideration
and attention saved a bit of money, but more importantly strenghtened my
faith in the goodness of obc.

I guess I've rambled a bit too much on a topic that has been beat before I
arrived...oh well...somebody has to take over the rambling  now that ken is
in semi-retirement (though one occasionally hears rumors of a comback).

>From: "George Vrechek" 
>Reply-To: "George Vrechek" 
>To: "Ramblings" 
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay bidding discussion
>Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:13:26 -0600
>If you look at the ebay rules (and just think about it ethically) ebay
>members are not allowed to interfere with transactions of other members
>(the sellers). If someone backs off because they chose to, there is no
>"interference." If an ebay member contacts bidders and suggests that they
>not bid for whatever reason, it may violate one of the ebay rules regarding
>not interfering with a seller's transaction - even if you believe the
>seller's representations to be incorrect.
>George Vrechek

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1980 topps giant fb cards
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 00:15:16 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

i have about 20 dups does anyone need? kit

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To: 
Subject: Old Baseball cards for free !
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:48:59 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Yes, the title is true...the receipient of this fantastic treasure trove ofcards,
each card a full 39 years old, will owe absolutely nothing. There will
be NO postage, NO handling...( well SOMEBODY may have handled these a little...)
NO shipping and NO IOU's.

This lot of 12 gems will go to the first bidder, unless there are more bidders,
then all those asking will get an allotment of the dozen available keepsakes.

How can we afford to offer such terrific items at such a low price, you ask??

It's because we already have another copy of the same cards in our binder !!!

WOW !!! I know that sounds unlikely, but it's true !!!

So claim the prize by replying to this message. That's all that you have todo

...Did I mention that these cards are 39 years old ??? Made by a major manufacturer

Here are the unique identifying numbers:
024 026 042 047 079 105
122 124 227 275 277 377

That's right, each card is numbered !!

As another bonus, each card comes with a trivia question on the back !! Theanswer
is in a MAGIC BOX !! Folks, this deal won't last long with all the great
features we've added...so act now !!

Oh, and send me your address so it's a bit easier to complete your order...
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 08:03:08 EST
Subject: Request
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

This is not an easy request for me to make, so please bear with me. I
visited a few of you last night in a chat room and announced that I had had
it with my job as a junior high assistant principal and that I am about to
resign. Actually, my probable plan will be to take an early retirement from
the state teacher retirement system and try to find some kind of work to
compensate for the dramatic drop in pay.
My reasons for resigning are too complicated to detail here. Suffice it
to say, I am very unhappy with the state of public education and this is
totally my own choice as a course of action.
Steve Rittenberg was in the chat room at the time I made my
announcement. He IM'ed me and suggested that I alert OBC for purposes of
networking and getting suggestions about finding work. So, here I am.
I realize that very few of you would have the wherewithall to be able to
help at all. Nevertheless, I know of no other group for which I have so much
respect as the people I have met over the past decade in OBC. Any ideas would
be helpful. I went through a similar job crisis situation a few years ago,
and I found that helpful support from OBC members went a long way in getting
me to land on my feet. In case you do have any thoughts, connections, etc,
here are a few parameters to keep in mind:

- because of family considerations, I cannot leave the western Connecticut
- I believe my greatest strengths are in the areas of administration,
communication (especially the written word), computer and Internet literacy,
organization, education and training, curriculum development, social
sciences,geographic analysis and baseball cards (just kidding on the last
- I don't need a high paying job at this time and with the state retirement -
$30,000 - $40,000 per year would be terrific.
- I would love a telecommuting kind of position if it was real and not just
some scam.
- I will probably be leaving my current position at the end of February.
- I do work very hard at whatever I do.

I tend to have a bit too much pride about this kind of thing, but I am
certainly not above receiving advice from good friends. Let me know if you
have any thoughts.

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:42:31 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1948/49 Topps Magic Photo
From: dsh46@aol.com

Beware, this is a hockey posting!

I have a 1949 Magic Photo of card 3-T (Ice Hockey) for the waiver wire.  I managed to snag a Connie Mack for my type set to replace this one.

Who's up for this card from Topp's first hockey issue?  Card is Tipton Plus, with a poorly developed photo-it looks better than it sounds though.  I'd rather it go to one of you type collectors but as always, I'm sure it will find a good home!

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:12:43 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] 1948/49 Topps Magic Photo
To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

Sure make available the only hockey 1 I have from that set. Must have
made extra prints of that photo.
Mike Rich

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: Super Bowl Pool Squares!!!!
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:42:17 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

with 40 participants, everyone gets 2 squares, then my lovely daughter
Kelly (who
is now out of the will) drew 20 of the 40 names for the left over squares.
So, 20 of
us get 3 squares and the rest get 2.   So check out the squares, in in about
30 minutes
we will post the NFC #'s, then about a half hour after that I will post the
AFC numbers!
How dramatic is this?  :)

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: Super Bowl Pool -- NFC numbers!
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 19:36:05 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Ok, Kelly drew numbers, and I got 5 and 6!  The only thing that is
saving her is that she is typing wantlists for me as I organize my
1981-1986 lists.  I suppose there are worse numbers than 5 and
6, but not much.   2 early field goals would be good, but how would
that match the 5?   Oh well  :(   Check out your NFC numbers and
the AFC numbers will come within the hour!!!  The suspense is
killing me! :)

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To: "UV List" ,
Subject: test (new email)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:21:58 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site-
I just think it's very, very cool)

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To: "Thanks \(OBC\)" ,
Subject: test #2 (sorry)
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:34:27 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site-
I just think it's very, very cool)

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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:30:23 EST
Subject: Its 20 below zero up here
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

Not any baseball talk in here but I thought some of you might like to know.

Did a 12 mile dogsled trip today ...10 below zero and wind chill somewhat
under -30.  We were heading for the Canadian border ..when we made the last
turn north about 1/2 mile from the border we headed straight into the wind.
I think my eyes froze to the back of my head.  Before I could say anything
the guide said "I think we've gone far enough" and we turned around.  It was
beautiful and I was dressed pretty warm.  I'm glad it wasn't 40 below though.
The dogs did not stop running for the 2 hours we were out.  I guess thats
what kept them warm.

spring training is less than 2 months away.  - Doug

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: The pool is all set!
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:17:16 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Kelly's work is done, and it is obvious that she got the check in the
mail from 2-time winner Rex Stahlman.  He has the inside track on
a 3rd win with a 7-6 combo!  Go Rex! :)   Check out your numbers
at http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/pool.htm and good luck!  Watch
for official notification at the end of each quarter!  Enjoy the game!

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To: "Thanks \(OBC\)" ,
Subject: test #3
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 21:07:16 -0800
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

this should be the last one - I think the Yahoo server has caught up with my

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site-
I just think it's very, very cool)

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Out of touch
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 05:12:31 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

I'll be out of touch for about three weeks, so if you send me a '52 Mantle
(or a '76 Pepe Frias) and wonder why I don't say thanks, I will on my

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 13:18:19 EST
Subject: Retro Availables
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... Time to thin out my "retro" dupes box featuring vintage players on
newer cards.  One of 'em qualifies for this server, while the others are in a
posting to the UV listserve. Just drop me a note if you'd like a list of the
others, as I know some of you don't mind reading about retrospective cards
but don't want to subscribe to the UV server where most of the cards are of
no interest.  Take care and have at 'em:

AVAILABLES: 1978 TCMA "The 1960's": No numbers on these lovely cards.
Reminiscent of the '53 Bowman in style, neat text on the back.  Players
available are: Jerry Arigo(Reds), Joe Azcue(Indians), Bob Bolin(Giants), Dick
Brown(Orioles), Ty Cline(Braves), Frank Bolling(Braves), Jim Duffalo(Reds),
Jesse Gonder(Braves), Lou Jackson(Orioles), Jack Kralick(Indians), Bob
Lillis(Astros), Larry Maxie(Braves), Don Nottebart(Astros), Bubba
Phillips(Indians), Boog Powell(Orioles), Ron Santo(Cubs) Herm
Starette(Orioles), Wes Stock(Orioles), Dave Wickersham(Tigers), Ted
Wills(Reds) Hal Woodeshick(Colt 45s)

...Jim (P.S., if you'd toss me your address w/ your request it would help!

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To: 
Subject: Ernie Harwell
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:26:24 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 

Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he wasthe
featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not this great
and in those circumstances !!!

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To: "Chuck Paris" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:33:12 +0000
From: Glenn Codere 

This could start the whole "body parts/fluids embossed cards" debate all over again!

What do you talk to Ernie Harwell about when you're standing shoulder-to-shoulder at the big marble telephone?

Glasgow, Scotland

============================================================
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Date: 2003/01/22 Wed PM 12:26:24 GMT
To: 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell

Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not this great and in those circumstances !!!

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:59:14 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
From: malsman250@cs.com

Glenn Codere  wrote:

>This could start the whole "body parts/fluids embossed cards" debate all over again!
>What do you talk to Ernie Harwell about when you're standing shoulder-to-shoulder at the big marble telephone?

I suppose when you're done, you just say "I'm looooong gone!"
>Glasgow, Scotland
>============================================================
>From: "Chuck Paris" 
>Date: 2003/01/22 Wed PM 12:26:24 GMT
>To: 
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
>Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not this great and in those circumstances !!!
>============================================================
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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 12:08:39 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, chuckparis@attbi.com,
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

Next thing you know the ladies are going to feel left out and insist on
unisex rest rooms.  - Doug

In a message dated 1/22/2003 9:34:44 AM Central Standard Time,
glenn.codere@ntlworld.com writes:

> LOL!
> This could start the whole "body parts/fluids embossed cards" debate all
> over again!
> What do you talk to Ernie Harwell about when you're standing
> shoulder-to-shoulder at the big marble telephone?
> Glenn
> Glasgow, Scotland
> ============================================================
> From: "Chuck Paris" 
> Date: 2003/01/22 Wed PM 12:26:24 GMT
> To: 
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he was
> the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not this
> great and in those circumstances !!!
> Chuck
> ============================================================
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he was
> the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not this
> great and in those circumstances !!!
> Chuck

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: sets
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:40:12 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

does anyone have complete sets for trade? kit okamuro

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: T206 Question
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 15:25:20 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I've heard mention made of a book called "T206 The Monster".  Is anyone
familure with this book.  When it was published and if it is still

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To: , "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T206 Question
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:30:31 -0500
From: "galtemos" 

I have a copy.  It was written in 1980 by Bill Heitman.  It is a complete
discussion of the T206 cards, including all of the variations and all of
the backs.  It includes a complete checklist showing all of the backs
available for each card.  It is a small book, held together with staples.
If you like, I can take it apart and Xerox it, and send you a copy.  If
anyone else would like a copy, please let me know, so that I can make
multiple copies at the same time.

> From: Bob Donaldson 
> To: OBC Ramblings 
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T206 Question
> Date: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 3:25 PM
> I've heard mention made of a book called "T206 The Monster".  Is anyone
> familure with this book.  When it was published and if it is still
> available?
> thanks
> Bob
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To: 
Subject: 65 Mantle survives transplant
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:09:42 -0800
From: "Greg Conway" 

My 65 set, being down to one card left to obtain, drew my attention this
week. The set, like most of my sets ranges in condition from somewhat below
fair to some near-mint. Condition never mattered much to me but in truth,
I never did like cards with eyeglasses or mustaches drawn on the players or
trimmed cards either very much. My 65 Mantle is trimmed. The whole whiteedge
is trimmed off. I got the Mantle in a batch of newer Mantles as a throw
in that was called 'lower grade' and I was pretty happy with the almost non-existant
price. As I looked at it the other day I talked myself into going
on ebay and looking for a better one, (fair or good condition), and sending
this one out to OBC land. I checked ebay for a couple of days and it looked
like I could probably get one for 50 or 60 bucks so I started tracking
a few auctions.
Today, I came home from work and was starring at the computer when a thought
struck me. I fished though a pile of dupes on my desk that were too new
to put in the OBC send out box and therefore had grown cobwebs, and pulled
out an 83 Donruss Moose Haas. I went and got the Mantle and chuckling tomyself,
I placed it over the Haas, pulled out my pocket knife and trimmed the
Haas. I then taped the Haas edges on the Mantle and re-taped it, (The Mantle
had tape on it from it's previous torturer, I mean owner). A successful
edge transplant! I have no qualms about putting this Mantle into my 65 binder.
It has tape, lot's of my cards do. the white on the back is several shades
different, who cares, all the stats are still there. It's trimmed but
looks pretty good. It's staying here now. Many years from now someone's going
to be looking at this card and say "What the heck....?"
Oh yeah, anybody need a 1983 Donruss #204? Trimmed.

Greg (yaz)

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Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 23:25:58 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, chuckparis@attbi.com,
From: JEdward@aol.com

What I'd like to know... did Ernie stand there like the house by the side of
the road?

In a message dated 01/22/2003 12:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Traderdoug@aol.com writes:

> Next thing you know the ladies are going to feel left out and insist on
> unisex rest rooms.  - Doug
> In a message dated 1/22/2003 9:34:44 AM Central Standard Time,
> glenn.codere@ntlworld.com writes:
> >> LOL!
>> This could start the whole "body parts/fluids embossed cards" debate all
>> over again!
>> What do you talk to Ernie Harwell about when you're standing
>> shoulder-to-shoulder at the big marble telephone?
>> Glenn
>> Glasgow, Scotland
>> ============================================================
>> From: "Chuck Paris" 
>> Date: 2003/01/22 Wed PM 12:26:24 GMT
>> To: 
>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
>> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he
>> was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not
>> this great and in those circumstances !!!
>> Chuck
>> ============================================================
>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he
>> was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not
>> this great and in those circumstances !!!
>> Chuck

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 8:18:15 +0000
From: Glenn Codere 

After finishing his business, Ernie was washing his hands when suddenly the bar of soap slipped from his grasp. Chuck made a deft grab at it, plucking the soap from mid-air, to which Ernie replied...

"...and that one one was caught by a gentleman from Fremont, Michigan!!"

ps How much further can we go with this?

============================================================
From: JEdward@aol.com
Date: 2003/01/23 Thu AM 04:25:58 GMT
To: TraderDoug@aol.com,  glenn.codere@ntlworld.com,  chuckparis@attbi.com,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell

What I'd like to know... did Ernie stand there like the house by the side of
the road?

In a message dated 01/22/2003 12:10:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Traderdoug@aol.com writes:

> Next thing you know the ladies are going to feel left out and insist on
> unisex rest rooms.  - Doug
> In a message dated 1/22/2003 9:34:44 AM Central Standard Time,
> glenn.codere@ntlworld.com writes:
> >> LOL!
>> This could start the whole "body parts/fluids embossed cards" debate all
>> over again!
>> What do you talk to Ernie Harwell about when you're standing
>> shoulder-to-shoulder at the big marble telephone?
>> Glenn
>> Glasgow, Scotland
>> ============================================================
>> From: "Chuck Paris" 
>> Date: 2003/01/22 Wed PM 12:26:24 GMT
>> To: 
>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ernie Harwell
>> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he
>> was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not
>> this great and in those circumstances !!!
>> Chuck
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>> Last night I took a leak next to Ernie Harwell at a banquet in which he
>> was the featured speaker.  I've met a few famous people before but not
>> this great and in those circumstances !!!
>> Chuck

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 03:31:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re Re Re Ernie Harwell
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Ron Perry 

Chuck, Glen, John,

After flushing did Ernie exclaim It's Loooooong Gong?

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 11:16:11 EST
Subject: Careful - possible virus
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com

Hi group,
Today I had 2 emails from OBC members - but both had suspicious attachments
with ZIP files. I suspect someone has gained access to individual or group
email  - or someone's computer in the group as a virus. If you have virus
software I'd advise running it ASAP.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 09:05:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: OBC email attachment?
To: DirectorTH@aol.com
From: Matthew 

Hi Tom,

Thanks for your note. I'd actually suspect that it didn't come from me (I do all my email on the
web via Yahoo), but that the virus grabbed my address from someone else's address book and added
it as the "from" address. Good to post it to the group as you did, hopefully everyone will give
their stuff the once-over.

--- DirectorTH@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Matt - received something from your email address & I suspect you may have
> a virus; it had an attachment with it. The email went out with the heading
> Worm KlezE immunity & looked like an ad for some "software" - but alarm bells
> were going off, & of course I dodn't download it. Also received one from
> Richard Kimball with an attachment.
> Be careful!
> Tom Housley

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 12:49:54 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Callahan HOF Question
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Does anyone know if the Callahan Hall of Fame cards were issued through the Exhibit Supply Company of Chicago?  I checked my copy of the SCD and the only set issued by this company that I could find was the 1947-1960 Exhibits set.  Was this 1947-1960 Exhibit set issued at or by the Hall of Fame as well?

Also, can anyone provide an identification of the cards seen at this site:  http://auctionservices.hispeed.com/auctions/DSC00210.JPG

The closest looking cards I can find in the SCD are Sporting News or Tattoo Orbit.  Not sure what they are.

If anyone could provide an answer, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for looking,

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: too funny
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 16:36:21 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

As some of you know, I volunteer to answer questions about vintage cards ona
site called allexperts.com.  Usually the questions I receive are quite common,
and usually do deal with older cards.   Most people are wondering what
their 1962 Topps Maris is worth, or what year a pile of older cards thatthey
found in a relative's house are from.   But I could not help chuckling
at this question that I received today.  Clearly the person who submittedthis
didn't bother to read my profile and the part about "vintage only":

If a card has a shiny picture on it but no shiny letters is it a holo? If
it has shiny letters but just a regular picture is it a foil? If it has
both shiny letters and picture is it a holofoil?
What is the difference between hologram and holofoil and holographic? Are
cards more valuable with these added extras?
Thank you for your time.

Needless to say, I gave Leo an earful about what I think of these types of cards.
 I hope he isn't too offended !!

Thought I'd share...

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:01:30 -0500
To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Callahan HOF Question
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Thanks for the response.  Just got done talking to Wayne Delia about Callahans and Exhbits, so both of you answered my question.  As for the pics in the link, I think they are W516 cards based on pics found on Wayne's card CD.

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Road trip!!
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 21:45:15 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Mac Wubben and I are going to make a one day pilgrimage up to Cranston, Rhode
Island on Saturday.   Expected there are Pigeon, McGowan, Hatch, Gliddenand
Morganti.   I'm hoping that some from the group of Domue, Reed, Corvello,
Sweet, Farrell and Donaldson will be able to make an appearance at the show
on Saturday from 8:30am to 4pm.  We'll let you know how this all turnsout.

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Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 19:08:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Road trip!!
To: Steve Rittenberg ,
From: Bob Farrell 

Once a year they have a decent show in Little
Rhody...Of course I'll be there.
Hope to see you all there.

Anybody have an extra obc hat for sale ?

--- Steve Rittenberg 
> Mac Wubben and I are going to make a one day
> pilgrimage up to Cranston, Rhode Island on Saturday.
>   Expected there are Pigeon, McGowan, Hatch, Glidden
> and Morganti.   I'm hoping that some from the group
> of Domue, Reed, Corvello, Sweet, Farrell and
> Donaldson will be able to make an appearance at the
> show on Saturday from 8:30am to 4pm.  We'll let you
> know how this all turns out.
> Steve

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To: "OBC Ramblings" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] too funny
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 20:19:04 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Yeah, I was wondering just about the same thing...how can you tell the difference
Some of my 1953's have some "added extras" which clearly make them more valuable,
right ? (Gum, creases, ink,stains, rips, tears ,holes and I think that
might be blood on my Clem Koshorek !!)
Thankfully we now have a place to turn  for these appraisal questions!  Thanks John !

----- Original Message -----
From: John Collins
To: OBC Ramblings
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 4:36 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] too funny

As some of you know, I volunteer to answer questions about vintage cards on
a site called allexperts.com.  Usually the questions I receive are quitecommon,
and usually do deal with older cards.   Most people are wondering what
their 1962 Topps Maris is worth, or what year a pile of older cards that
they found in a relative's house are from.   But I could not help chuckling
at this question that I received today.  Clearly the person who submitted
this didn't bother to read my profile and the part about "vintage only":

If a card has a shiny picture on it but no shiny letters is it a holo? If
it has shiny letters but just a regular picture is it a foil? If it has
both shiny letters and picture is it a holofoil?
What is the difference between hologram and holofoil and holographic? Are
cards more valuable with these added extras?
Thank you for your time.

Needless to say, I gave Leo an earful about what I think of these types of
cards.  I hope he isn't too offended !!

Thought I'd share...

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 01:40:43 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, TLDietrick@Yahoo.com,
Subject: OBC hat/ Bob Reed/ Terry D./ Tha Raiders!/ photocopies of T206
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

Thanks goes out this week for pkgs from Bob Reed (a 67 Nash!) & Terry
Dietrick (David Thompson etc)!
George, while you have the pages from the T206 article on the copy
machine, please make a set for me if it's not too much trouble
(Thanks!).  If you have already made them, don't worry about it.
Anyone have an OBC hat for sale?   Did I mention my fav NFL team is
in the SuperBowl?!!!!!!  Go RAIDERS!

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 12:40:27 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 627
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

All right, let me clear this up right away. NOBODY has an extra OBC hat for
sale... they're all free of charge. The main problem is that the person
responsible for getting them all out to you is a lazy, no good, do nothing
slacker and... oh wait, that's me. I guess I shouldn't be that hard on myself
- scratch that 'no good' part. I'm getting them out slowly but slowly. Thanks
for your continued patience,

Ken M

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To: 
Subject: Poll on postage cahrges
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:11:44 -0500
From: "ochiai" 

Hi all,
I need your collective oppinion on something - charges on postage.  On my
web site I use to charge $5 for priority US mail with tracking and
insurance.  Last Fall, however, the post office raised its rates and now
insurance is much more expensive.  It now costs $5.60 to mail a priority
package with tracking and insurance for $50 or under.  Insurance over $50 is
much more expensive.  The end result is that I now lose money on every
shipping charge.  So I was thinking of raising shipping charges to $6 but
then I remembered the thread a month agao when Kruk cards started to charge
$6 shipping.  So what can a very small business do?  I can't afford to keep
taking money out of profits to pay the postage costs and if I raise the
prices of the cards in this economy I will lose customers.  For
clarification I'm particularly concerned about orders in the $25 to $100
range.  For large orders, a few more dollars can be covered in the original
price of the card.

My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain for shipping
charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge and then
not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5 to $6 cause
you not to make a $25-100 order?

rob fitts

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:30:21 EST
Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
From: Smartalecx@aol.com
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 13:13:10 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
To: ochiai@mindspring.com

In a message dated 1/24/03 12:09:11 PM Central Standard Time,
ochiai@mindspring.com writes:

> My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain for shipping
> charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge and then
> not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5 to $6
> cause
> you not to make a $25-100 order?
> thanks
> rob fitts

rob:  generally when i bid on something at ebay, i decide the total i would
pay for an item, subtract out shipping, and bid the difference.  on a $25
item, $6 would hurt, but on $100, it probably shouldn't.  i suggest you make
insurance optional, and priority,i think is a waste. i think you can get a
delivery confirmation for a lot less.  gary mandell

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:31:36 EST
Subject: Thanks to Joe
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Thanks to Joe Cerullo for Red Man cards of Fain, Crandall, Shantz, Hegan, and
Runnels.   I will be adding the 1953-55 Red Man sets to my want list this
weekend, now that Joe has given me a start.
Take care,

=================

Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 14:57:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
To: ochiai 
From: MARK TALBOT 

I hate S&H charges, especially if they are significantly higher than
the winning bid.  I also am disturbed by marked up shipping on very
large bids.  Let me explain, if I won a lot at a buck I sure as heck
don't need to spend 6 times that to have it shipped.  Send it regular
mail for 60 cents or so.  Likewise if I win an auction at 200 bucks and
I know that it cost 6 bucks to ship it why on earth is the seller
trying to get 20 bucks from me.  This stuff happens all the time and
it's a pain.  I personally prefer 1st class to priority shipping which
is cheaper and it might be the way you should go Rob if you are looking
to decrease cost.  MY TWO CENTS!!!

REGARDS ------------------ MARK

----- Original Message -----
From: ochiai 
Date: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:11 pm
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges

> 

> 
> Hi all,
> I need your collective oppinion on something - charges on postage.
> On my
> web site I use to charge $5 for priority US mail with tracking and
> insurance.  Last Fall, however, the post office raised its rates
> and now
> insurance is much more expensive.  It now costs $5.60 to mail a
> priority
> package with tracking and insurance for $50 or under.  Insurance
> over $50 is
> much more expensive.  The end result is that I now lose money on every
> shipping charge.  So I was thinking of raising shipping charges to
> $6 but
> then I remembered the thread a month agao when Kruk cards started
> to charge
> $6 shipping.  So what can a very small business do?  I can't
> afford to keep
> taking money out of profits to pay the postage costs and if I
> raise the
> prices of the cards in this economy I will lose customers.  For
> clarification I'm particularly concerned about orders in the $25
> to $100
> range.  For large orders, a few more dollars can be covered in the
> original
> price of the card.
> My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain
> for shipping
> charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge
> and then
> not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5
> to $6 cause
> you not to make a $25-100 order?
> thanks
> rob fitts
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:10:35 EST
Subject: waiver wire
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

hey all any interest in these? FCFS
1960 Topps
1961 topps
61 post
1962 topps
1963 topps
1964 topps
# 83,101,102,130,156,188,240,467
let me know guys

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To: , "ochiai" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 19:23:32 -0800
From: "Greg Conway" 

If you must ship priority mail, charge the $3.85 and make the insurance and
tracking an option. Personally, I always figure in the shipping cost when I
calculate my high bid as part of the price of the card(s). Many time the
shipping charge makes the card cost too high to bid. If the shipper wants to
use priority and also wants to charge for insurance, etc., raising the
charges to over $5.00 for a small amount of cards I don't bid. In fact, I
usually won't bid on a one or a couple of cards if the charges are over
2.50. Being in OBC as long as I have, by now I know what it costs to ship
and can figure out who is trying to jack up their profits on the s&h and who
is squeezing themselves out of bidders by forcing the extras, (insur, track
& the like), on me. Neither one generally gets my bids.

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ochiai" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:11 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges

> Hi all,
> I need your collective oppinion on something - charges on postage.  On my
> web site I use to charge $5 for priority US mail with tracking and
> insurance.  Last Fall, however, the post office raised its rates and now
> insurance is much more expensive.  It now costs $5.60 to mail a priority
> package with tracking and insurance for $50 or under.  Insurance over $50
> much more expensive.  The end result is that I now lose money on every
> shipping charge.  So I was thinking of raising shipping charges to $6 but
> then I remembered the thread a month agao when Kruk cards started to
> $6 shipping.  So what can a very small business do?  I can't afford to
> taking money out of profits to pay the postage costs and if I raise the
> prices of the cards in this economy I will lose customers.  For
> clarification I'm particularly concerned about orders in the $25 to $100
> range.  For large orders, a few more dollars can be covered in the
> price of the card.
> My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain for
> charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge and then
> not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5 to $6
> you not to make a $25-100 order?
> thanks
> rob fitts
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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To: "Andy Cook" ,
Subject: Superbowl plans?
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 21:43:44 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Anyone is welcome to come over for the big game.   I should be around all day
Sunday so come anytime you want.

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Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 18:54:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
To: Greg Conway , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: Bob Farrell 

My two cents....
I always consider the shipping as part of the cost
when bidding on a card.  I figure what I'm willing to
pay and bid accordingly.  If I get a 7 dollar card for
a dollar with a 6 dollar shipping charge, fine by me.
I think most people bid this way which places you in a
a catch-22.
If you raise shipping rates the actual card sale
prices will probably drop.  Bottom line, you still get
the same money from the collector.  I'm still willing
to pay the 7 for the card plus any s&h without much
concern for how you and the post office end up
splitting the money.
Perhaps you could provide a shipping menu with the
associated charges.  If I spent ten bucks on a card,
I'm willing to take my chances in a bubble mailer with
the post office for 1.50 or 2.oo bucks.  For a more
substantial purchase I may want the shipping extras.
I was the one with the kruk card issue.  I wasn't
concerned by the actual 6 dollar shipping charge, but
that it wasn't stated up front.  I had had past
dealings with them with shipping at 3 bucks.  They hit
me with a 6 dollar figure AFTER I had placed the
It felt like I was being gouged.

Good luck.

--- Greg Conway  wrote:
> If you must ship priority mail, charge the $3.85 and
> make the insurance and
> tracking an option. Personally, I always figure in
> the shipping cost when I
> calculate my high bid as part of the price of the
> card(s). Many time the
> shipping charge makes the card cost too high to bid.
> If the shipper wants to
> use priority and also wants to charge for insurance,
> etc., raising the
> charges to over $5.00 for a small amount of cards I
> don't bid. In fact, I
> usually won't bid on a one or a couple of cards if
> the charges are over
> 2.50. Being in OBC as long as I have, by now I know
> what it costs to ship
> and can figure out who is trying to jack up their
> profits on the s&h and who
> is squeezing themselves out of bidders by forcing
> the extras, (insur, track
> & the like), on me. Neither one generally gets my
> bids.
> Greg (yaz)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ochiai" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:11 AM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll on postage cahrges
> > Hi all,
> > I need your collective oppinion on something -
> charges on postage.  On my
> > web site I use to charge $5 for priority US mail
> with tracking and
> > insurance.  Last Fall, however, the post office
> raised its rates and now
> > insurance is much more expensive.  It now costs
> $5.60 to mail a priority
> > package with tracking and insurance for $50 or
> under.  Insurance over $50
> is
> > much more expensive.  The end result is that I now
> lose money on every
> > shipping charge.  So I was thinking of raising
> shipping charges to $6 but
> > then I remembered the thread a month agao when
> Kruk cards started to
> charge
> > $6 shipping.  So what can a very small business
> do?  I can't afford to
> keep
> > taking money out of profits to pay the postage
> costs and if I raise the
> > prices of the cards in this economy I will lose
> customers.  For
> > clarification I'm particularly concerned about
> orders in the $25 to $100
> > range.  For large orders, a few more dollars can
> be covered in the
> original
> > price of the card.
> >
> > My questions to this group are:  what is your
> threshold of pain for
> shipping
> > charges?  At what point does somebody look at the
> shipping charge and then
> > not make an order?  And more particularly would a
> change from $5 to $6
> cause
> > you not to make a $25-100 order?
> >
> > thanks
> > rob fitts
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >

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To: 
Subject: shipping charges
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 22:17:37 -0500
From: "ochiai" 

I'd like to thank everybody who has responded to my questions.  You guys are
a wealth of information and great ideas.  Next week, I'm going to play with
my merchant program and figure out how to offer a variety of different shipping
options.  It means having to go out and buy 100 or so mailing boxes,
but hopefully the lower shipping costs will bring in more customers.

Next month, I'll ask you guys how to make my Japanese card booth at the National
a hit!  But that will have to wait.

http://www.robsjapanesecards.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 01:03:25 -0500
Subject: T-206 Reference
To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Mark S Talbot 

Hello All,

I have tried to email George a few times to
request a copy of the T-206 reference and for some
reason George is not getting my messages.  I'm
attempting to relay the info this way.  Is anyone
else having problems with my emails?

Hope you get this copy George!!!  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *

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Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 06:09:50 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 628
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

In a message dated 1/25/03 5:09:47 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain for
charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge and then
not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5 to $6 cause
you not to make a $25-100 order? >>

DISCLAIMER: This is a general rant, so chill out ;-)

I've heard all kinds of reasoning from sellers/buyers discussing this sort
of thing on the AOL boards and on the web. "Well, my time is valuable. It
costs me money to buy supplies, gas to the post office, securely pack your
item, etc..." So my time is worthless? Why do I have to pay for your time
when you're not paying for mine? It took me time to find your auction, write
you the check, go to the mailbox to deliver it. I refuse to pay for every
little facet of your business. Find ways to cut costs instead of passing them
on to me.
I think a change from from $5 to $6 wouldn't cause me to NOT make a $25-100
order, but mostly because I probably wouldn't have ordered at $5 s/h either.
Large lots of cards are a different story, but a single card isn't that
heavy. If it's something expensive that I want insurance for, then I think it
should be an OPTION, not a requirement. I usually don't insure anything under
$20 anyway. A lot of times I'll ask the seller if a SASE is OK (at my own
risk). This is mostly because 1) The card is $5-10 and 2) It's already
damaged, so why insure it against said damage? Can I ask for a refund if it
arrives BETTER than it was sent? 99.9% of my mail arrives without a hitch, so
I'm not going to sweat losing a $5 card in the RARE event it does happen.
Normally the seller will refund my money in that case, since it's not worth
$5 over a lost customer.
TANGENT: One of my biggest pet peeves with eBay is the shipping/handling
charges. A lot of sellers will tack on the extra money to pay for eBay's fees
- this is against eBay's policies, but it's hard to know exactly how much of
the shipping charges are 'extra' until you get the card in a plain envelope
with a 37 cent stamp on it after you paid $2-3 for shipping. Going after such
unscrupulous sellers is a waste of time. Actually, trying to get any kind of
customer service out of eBay is a waste of time unless you're a power seller
(and even then I'm not so sure). It amazes me how much the cost of a padded
envelope and a toploader can differ in certain parts of the country - and
that doesn't include insurance, which apparently isn't charged at a uniform
rate by the postal service. My limit on a single card is $3, but only if I'm
getting insured delivery in a padded envelope. Otherwise, it's a lot lower.
I'd write more, but you're all lucky I have to get ready for the RI show now
 TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 07:51:03 EST
Subject: Woodies available
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

I've had these around a long time, and haven't been able to find a home for
them. Feel free to claim....

41  49  75  82  83  89  171

Bill Malson

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 12:52:53 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Digest Number 628
From: "RRFARRELL " 

You call this a rant ?  What's the world coming too when I can read a
Ken M rant in one sitting.  :)

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/25/03 5:09:47 AM, OBC-
Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes:
> << My questions to this group are:  what is your threshold of pain
> shipping
> charges?  At what point does somebody look at the shipping charge
and then
> not make an order?  And more particularly would a change from $5 to
$6 cause
> you not to make a $25-100 order? >>
> DISCLAIMER: This is a general rant, so chill out ;-)
>   I've heard all kinds of reasoning from sellers/buyers discussing
this sort
> of thing on the AOL boards and on the web. "Well, my time is
valuable. It
> costs me money to buy supplies, gas to the post office, securely
pack your
> item, etc..." So my time is worthless? Why do I have to pay for
your time
> when you're not paying for mine? It took me time to find your
auction, write
> you the check, go to the mailbox to deliver it. I refuse to pay for
> little facet of your business. Find ways to cut costs instead of
passing them
> on to me.
>   I think a change from from $5 to $6 wouldn't cause me to NOT make
a $25-100
> order, but mostly because I probably wouldn't have ordered at $5
s/h either.
> Large lots of cards are a different story, but a single card isn't
> heavy. If it's something expensive that I want insurance for, then
I think it
> should be an OPTION, not a requirement. I usually don't insure
anything under
> $20 anyway. A lot of times I'll ask the seller if a SASE is OK (at
my own
> risk). This is mostly because 1) The card is $5-10 and 2) It's
> damaged, so why insure it against said damage? Can I ask for a
refund if it
> arrives BETTER than it was sent? 99.9% of my mail arrives without a
hitch, so
> I'm not going to sweat losing a $5 card in the RARE event it does
> Normally the seller will refund my money in that case, since it's
not worth
> $5 over a lost customer.
>   TANGENT: One of my biggest pet peeves with eBay is the
> charges. A lot of sellers will tack on the extra money to pay for
eBay's fees
> - this is against eBay's policies, but it's hard to know exactly
how much of
> the shipping charges are 'extra' until you get the card in a plain
> with a 37 cent stamp on it after you paid $2-3 for shipping. Going
after such
> unscrupulous sellers is a waste of time. Actually, trying to get
any kind of
> customer service out of eBay is a waste of time unless you're a
power seller
> (and even then I'm not so sure). It amazes me how much the cost of
a padded
> envelope and a toploader can differ in certain parts of the
country - and
> that doesn't include insurance, which apparently isn't charged at a
> rate by the postal service. My limit on a single card is $3, but
only if I'm
> getting insured delivery in a padded envelope. Otherwise, it's a
lot lower.
> I'd write more, but you're all lucky I have to get ready for the RI
show now
>  TAYL,
> Ken M

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:41:21 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Shipping Charges
From: dsh46@aol.com

Shipping is a problem with many ebay auctions as the price often exceeds the value of the item, at least in obc land.

Shippers need to do three things:

1)Offer tiers of shipping (Standard, Priority, Overnight if possible)

2)Ship standard packages for no more than $3, including basic insurance (I get many where postage for a puffy is under $1. and I have been charged $3 or $4).  I can wait a few extra days usually for the package and if I can't, then I will select the priority option.

3)Bidders who win multiple lots should be able to combine orders and charges.  Some auction software makes it easier to calculate this than others.

Personally, I think over $3 is the point where I get steamed if only a card or two needs to be shipped.  Sellers: Don't make a profit on excess shipping charges, which a lot of sellers do--try to get the costs as close to the actual expense as possible.  And if I pay you promptly, I expect the merchandise to be shipped promptly.  No problem waiting for a Saturday dropoff at the post office by a seller, especially a guy working out of his house and doing auctions as a sideline but beyond that, I expect fast service.  And post my feedback when you get my payment--don't wait for me to post to make sure my comments are positive.  Once you receive my payment, you have everything you need to post feedback.

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 08:49:05 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: George's e-mail, the Monster
From: dsh46@aol.com

I assume you are talking about G. Vrechek--he has been having e-mail problems I think.

I have a copy of the Monster--I'm going to try and scan it and then shrink the size down to something that can be e-mailed.  I do not want this posted anywhere as it is a copyrighted work but will be happy to e-mail it once scanned.  I have to figure out what program I want to save it in--probably Word and/or as a .JPG although I may be able to do something in .PDF format.

It is a little outdated but a great reference for T206.  There is another, more recent T206 monograph I think but I don't have it and can't recall the title.  I think it was published in the mid 90's (The Monster is from 1980).

=================

Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 13:45:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Shipping Charges
To: dsh46@aol.com
From: Mark S Talbot 
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT


LET'S NOT FORGET THE S.A.S.E. METHOD AS WELL.  I REALLY LIKE THIS

REGARDS ------------ MARK

dsh46@aol.com wrote:

 Shipping is a problem with many ebay auctions
as the price often exceeds the value of the item, at least in obc land.

Shippers need to do three things:

1)Offer tiers of shipping (Standard, Priority, Overnight if possible)

2)Ship standard packages for no more than $3, including basic insurance
(I get many where postage for a puffy is under $1. and I have been charged
$3 or $4).  I can wait a few extra days usually for the package and
if I can't, then I will select the priority option.

3)Bidders who win multiple lots should be able to combine orders
and charges.  Some auction software makes it easier to calculate this
than others.

Personally, I think over $3 is the point where I get steamed if
only a card or two needs to be shipped.  Sellers: Don't make a profit
on excess shipping charges, which a lot of sellers do--try to get the costs
as close to the actual expense as possible.  And if I pay you promptly,
I expect the merchandise to be shipped promptly.  No problem waiting
for a Saturday dropoff at the post office by a seller, especially a guy
working out of his house and doing auctions as a sideline but beyond that,
I expect fast service.  And post my feedback when you get my payment--don't
wait for me to post to make sure my comments are positive.  Once you
receive my payment, you have everything you need to post feedback.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: deckles
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 18:56:36 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

i have these extra lmk2.6.8.10.13.15.16.18.19.20.22.26.29.they are explus
lmk. kit okamuro

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: OBC-NE show reprot :)
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:31:26 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

I just want to say that I had a much better time at lunch with the other 8
guys than
I did at the show!  It wasn't bad at all (the show) but there seemed to be a
of OBC-grade stars.  I was able to collect some stuff, including 3 actual
hits to
my topps lists to bring my magic number to 208.  But better was the stuff I
from the guests!  Bob Donaldson gave me a Ripken figure, Mac Wubben gave
me 2 (count'em) '33 Goudeys!,  Steve R. on what must have been ) hours sleep
after driving up from Md. gave me a ceramic ripken RC!  Individually hand
That is way better than a "holo-foil-gram-refractor"! :)  And, Double crap!
I don't
remember who gave me the 2 '73 blue checklist...  It wasn't Ken, or Jim H.
(my driver
for the day) or Spike, who I woke up because he wouldn't let Jim and I in
the cold at 7:30 am, or Bob Pigeon, Wait... it must have been Bob Farrell!
If I have it wrong, let me know... I can be such a moron :)
We all went to Hooters for lunch.  The food was good, but the company
better, nay, the best! :)   We talked about the new AS rule for WS home
we talked about shipping charges and stupid ebay auctions, and what we had
won for 0.01 on ebay.  But, I think the highlight was when Mr. Mint nearly
got in
a fistfight with another dealer!  One of the guys in charge had to step
between them,
which gave both of them more safety to talk an even bigger game.   It was
pretty funny,
and sort of sad.  They did kiss and make up later, which is amazing because
MM said
"if you walk in front of my table again I'll break your neck".  I don't
usually "make up"
with people who threaten to kill me.  Actually, I don't think anyone has
ever said
anything like that to me, come to think of it.
Bottom line, everyone seemed to have a good time, Rob Pigeon made some
*incredible* deals! And I was reminded how lucky we are to have this cool
to share our sickness,  er, aaa, hobby! :)
Go OBC!

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: twice-a-year interuption
Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2003 22:43:41 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

I just got the note from my "connection" that Topps series 2, 2003
will be out mid April and he has to order now.  Your cost will
be $40 + shipping (ouch, not shipping! sorry, no SASE :) )
Now, please do not feel that you need to get a box from me.  You
could have got one for the same, or, if you were a little lucky, less
on ebay.  There were topps-1 boxes avail at today's RI show
for $45.    The other thing you need to know is that I can't order a
case unless I have all the boxes spoken for, because I'm afraid
I will get stuck with boxes that I have to sell below my cost.  The
one extra one I had from series 1 I sold on ebay and it went right
at cost.  If anyone knows anyone selling cases for less than $480,
let me know, but let me know quick.  Any way, point is, I have
to know now if you want a box or boxes.  Thanks!  Now, back
to your regular programming until next November. :)

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 00:16:47 EST
Subject: Interesting baseball collection web site
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

Check this out:
Go to the "Baseball Collection" section

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 07:36:09 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 628
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

In a message dated 1/25/03 5:09:47 AM, talbot1@comcast.net writes:

<<     I have tried to email George a few times to
request a copy of the T-206 reference and for some
reason George is not getting my messages.  I'm
attempting to relay the info this way.  Is anyone
else having problems with my emails? >>

I'm having a problem getting your e-mails in some way. Most of your e-mails
to the server end up looking like this in the digest:

<
Subject: Re: Re: Shipping Charges

[This message is not in displayable format]>>

Then I have to go to the yahoogroups website to figure out what you typed.
I'm not sure what causes this nor why only a select few of you out there
havea similar problem, but my guess is that if your e-mail is sent in html
format instead of text, the digest kills the message (along with any attached
files). It's just a theory and probably a pretty bad one

=================

To: 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 628
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:38:49 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

It may be more to do with the web server, or perhaps the email package, of
the person sending the message. My email originally goes out in html format,
but as far as I'm aware, they seem to arrive in OK shape.

I use Microsoft Outlook and take messages in as they arrive, rather than in
digest form.

-----Original Message-----
From: cardclctor@aol.com [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com]
Sent: 26 January 2003 12:36
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 628

In a message dated 1/25/03 5:09:47 AM, talbot1@comcast.net writes:

<<     I have tried to email George a few times to
request a copy of the T-206 reference and for some
reason George is not getting my messages.  I'm
attempting to relay the info this way.  Is anyone
else having problems with my emails? >>

I'm having a problem getting your e-mails in some way. Most of your
to the server end up looking like this in the digest:

<
Subject: Re: Re: Shipping Charges

[This message is not in displayable format]>>

Then I have to go to the yahoogroups website to figure out what you typed.
I'm not sure what causes this nor why only a select few of you out there
havea similar problem, but my guess is that if your e-mail is sent in html
format instead of text, the digest kills the message (along with any
files). It's just a theory and probably a pretty bad one

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Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 08:43:09 EST
Subject: RI Show Report
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

I've heard pretty good things in the past about an annual show in West
Warwick RI.  For any variety of reasons, I've never made the journey down
from New Hampshire...until yesterday.  Being the northernmost OBC'er in the
area, I offered to pick up some of the Massachusetts folks: first Sean
McGowan and then Spike and Ken further down the Route 93 corridor near
Boston.  Promptly at 6:30 AM I left my house and the road trip was on!

Everything went smoothly until we got to Spike place at just before 7:30.
Sean and I were knocking on his door but nobody was answering.  Uh oh!  Did
we miss something?  At once, Sean and I looked at each other and had the same
type of light bulb come on: call Spike (from his porch) with a cell phone.
Sean did the calling and Spike let us in.  Turns out he had a late night on
Friday :-)  OK, so where's Ken?  I tried calling his number and I got a "this
number has been disconnected" message.  HUH??  Ken finally called in a bit
later and we ended up leaving at about the time we were supposed to meet Bob
Pigeon in Rhoddy...about an hours drive!

We go to the show at 9:30 after getting slightly lost only once (I really
didn't see a bridge).  Lots of activity inside the West Valley Inn...lots of
people in a relatively small amout of space.  I first ran into Steve
Rittenberg and then Mac Wubben, already at it for an hour.  Gee, should I
even bother to look around now?   While wandering around more, I ran into
Bob Pigeon who introduced me to a friendly dealer names Jess, who owns a shop
locally.  Later I bumped into Bob Donaldson and after that Bob Farrell.  Wow!
Nine of us here!  Cool!

My pre-show preparation is flawless: I'll print out wantlists and figure out
(ideally) what I'd like to focus on.  When I actually get to the show, I
hardly even look the wantlists and just go after bargain bins.  Well, there
weren't many bargain bins to be had here.  A lot of nicer cards with prices
to match.  I did find a box filled with 1969 and 1970 Topps cards marked
3/$1.  I ripped through it twice and found 25 mostly vg-ex 1970 high numbers
(including Pilots and Giants team cards)!  Of course, I didn't really pay .33
either ;-)  Yes, folks I even haggle with an already good deal of less than
10 bucks.

After wandering around I ended up spending about $1 more the whole morning.
I bumped into Bob Pigeon, again at Jess' table.  Jess had a couple of 1949 MP
and Co. cards of Ted Williams and Ralph Kiner.  We talked price and I started
to look through a small pile of caramel, tobacco and strip issues.  No big
name here, but there was a real nice E96 I needed.  As we were disussing
price for most of them, Jess starts handing me some of the other cards as
"throw ins."  Well, I ended up with the whole lot of nine cards for $40!  I
thought I made out pretty good at this table, but I'll let the others gloat
about their hauls which make me look like I overpaid!

We gathered all nine of us (no small task in itself) and headed for lunch.
Hooters got majority vote, so an OBC caravan headed into Hooters for a
lunch/mini-swap session.  After lunch, I really wanted to go back to the
show, but had a commitment later on involving my wife's Christmas party, open
bar and prime rib which I wasn't going to miss.  So Ken, Spike and Sean
loaded up my car and home we went.

The show overall lacked OBC quality material, but Jess' table alone made the
show a success in terms of cardboard (someday soon I'd like to visit that
shop of his).  Of course, even if I hadn't spent a dime, I had a great time
seeing the others and spending time with a good group of people.  Thanks for
an excellent day guys!

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:08:06 EST
Subject: Anyone need The Great American...Book?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Here's a cheap auction for someone without a copy...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2703113739&category4

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 11:38:27 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting baseball collection web site
To: Malsman250@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

Interesting stuff!

Its almost as good as my collection!

Pat Sweeney

In a message dated 1/25/2003 9:17:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
malsman250@cs.com writes:

> Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting baseball collection web site
>  Date: 1/25/2003 9:17:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: malsman250@cs.com
>  To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
>  Sent from the Internet
> Check this out:
> www.sethsroom.com
> Go to the "Baseball Collection" section
> Yahoo! Groups

=================

To: 
Subject: The National
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 13:10:28 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

The National is in ATLANTIC CITY this year from July 24 to July 27.  You can
get details at www.thenational.net

Sign up to be on this exclusive OBC mailing list and learn who is going,
where we are staying and what the general plans are from an OBC perspective.

To sign up, send an email to: OBC-National-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

=================

To: 
Subject: Shipping & Coffee
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:56:50 -0800
From: "Diamanti" 

Well Gals and Guys:

Wish I had a really good 'ramblings' to lay on you, but not much noteworthybaseball-wise
has transpired to me or for me in the past few months.  (Of course
Brother Grant and Tiger Dave cleaned out all the Canadian cards two weeks
ago - I'm still recovering from that.....)  However, I did hear on the
radio that Mariner Fanfest will be held the weekend of Feb. 1st and I must
go. It is an excellent kick-start just before spring training begins and it
helps me feel that Thanksgiving, football, Christmas, New Year's, winter,
etc. is actually going to start going away. As I may have mentioned earlier,
I read about two fabulous vintage players - Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax-
recently and it sure gives me an appreciation of how hard baseball players
'work' at a 'play' activity. We can all argue about how spoiled today's
ballplayers are etc., but there is always a core group of guys who just plain
bust their butts almost year round to be the best they can be.  Ya gotta
love that aspect of baseball...

On the shipping topic, I enjoyed Ken Morganti's comments and felt they weredead
on.  As a long time Ebay seller on a puny basis, I evolved a way to handle
shipping that has worked really well for me and for the people who buy
my leftovers (mostly commons). I do it this way:

Shipping is free with SASE, even up to 7-8 cards if buyer includes enough postage.
Even if he doesn't, I don't mind an extra .25 out of my pocket on a
$3 to $9 card buy. Then I say: other option is to add $1.50 to cost of card(s)
and it(they) will go out in a bubble mailer.  Mailer costs me .30 if I
buy them in bulk - shipping is usually .59 to .89 depending on weight. Soif
they elect to use the bubble mailer I make a small amount of change. Mybuyers
split pretty evenly - 50% use SASE, 50% want the bubble mailer. I have
received a lot of e-mails thanking me for not 'gouging' them on the shipping.
Granted, most of what I sell are commons/extras I've bought at card shows,
but if it's a pricey card, I say that insurance is an extra for $1 or
$1.50 depending on cost of card.  Have had almost zero problems going this

On a shipping related topic, I am moving into shipping my coffee (Island Coffee
Ltd.- six different kinds) through UPS and Postal Service. I offer this
to all in OBC who may be interested.  A friend of mine is putting together
a web site, but if you want to order coffee from me now, just send me an e-mail
and I will give you the details right away. Thanks!~

Your Coffee Guy, DEE-owe-MONTEE

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:55:14 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 58 Topps Team Card Checklists
From: dsh46@aol.com

hey guys:

I'm working on a Topps short print article-can anyone confirm that the numbers listed on the backs of 1958 team cards for the two highest series run 353-429 and 430-495?  Thanks!

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Nice looking '61 Mantle #475MVP....1 hour to go!
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:21:50 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

A good looking card here (VG/EX). Just over 1 hour to go (as at 15:15 EST).
Current bid $31. I'm buying too much lately, otherwise I think I'd have a go
at this myself!

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:28:34 EST
Subject: Football Waiver Wire...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... in celebration of the Superbowl, it seemed a good time to let go of
my football dupes.  Have at 'em!  ...Jim

1959 Topps (G): #'s 88(Pete Retzlaff, Eagles) 134(Jim Schrader, Redskins)

1960 Topps (F-G): #'s 7(Art Spinney, Colts) 53(Lew Carpenter, Packers)
79(Jimmy Patton, Giants) 90(Marion Campbell, Eagles) 114(Joe Perry, 49ers)

1963 Topps #'s 108(Jim Prestel, Vikings... hol-y card, thanks to 9 hole
punches!) 150(Prentice Gautt, Cardinals -- G/VG, no creases)

1966 Philadelphia #54 (George Andre, got all the creases that Prentice Gautt

1967 Philadelphia #'s 5 (Lou Kirouac, Falcons, VG, x2) 6 (Billy Martin,

1968 Topps #51 (Ron Kramer, Lions , Vg/Ex)

1970 Topps (most in EX... a few better or worse, just ask if condition is
important): #'s 14 26 39 51(x3) 83 96 105 119

1971 Topps (most in VG) #'s 64 83 107 112(Haven Moses) 117 119 121(Garo
Yepremian) 123

1972 Topps (most in VG/EX) #'s 7 8 14 25 32 35(Willie Lanier) 36 39 48 64(x2)
72 75 76(x2) 77(x2) 81(Lance Rentzel) 87 89 91(Zook) 92 94 113 118(Norm
Snead) 127(Bubba Smith IA) 128(Roman Gabriel IA) 130 132(Bob Griese IA,
multiple creases) 148 161

1974 Topps #29(Zook, EX-)

1975 Topps #130 (G/VG) 160(Ken Anderson, ExMt) 400(Fran Tarkenton, Vg/Ex)
461(Terry Bradshaw, F/G) 500(OJ Simpson, Ex-) 527(1974 NFC Champs, x2)

1978 Topps #130(Isiah Robertson, Ex) 254 (Rickey Young, Ex/Mt) 320 (John
Stallworth, VG)

1979 Topps (most Vg and most Vikes) 30(Ahmad Rashad) 58 79 163 259 343(x2)
378(x4) 420(Lyle Alzado, NM) 446 470 489(x4)

1980 Topps (NM) #'s 42 169 240 278 312 376 423
1981 Topps (NM) #'s 114(x2) 247(x2) 381 432
1982 Topps (NM, all Vikes) #'s 393 395 397(Rashad, x2) 398(x2) 402
1983 Topps (NM) #'s 104 328
1985 Topps (NM) #'s 78(Cromwell) 88(Youngblood) 93 97 99 124(Lawrence Taylor)
144 253
1987 Topps (NM) #'s 227 235
1991 Topps (NM) #23 (Dave Meggett)

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:57:34 EST
Subject: lost email
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: smartalecx@aol.com

hi all:  my email account was shut down for about 18 hours, so if anyone
wrote, i probably missed it.  sorry for the inconvenience, but if you could
try again, it would be appreciated.  tnx, gary mandell

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: 2nd winner... a repeat?
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:06:38 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Mark Talbot!  Mark, didn't you win last year?

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: first quarter winner is.....
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:15:28 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Howard Morgan!!!  Get those lists current Howard!
Slow game so far...

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: Update
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:28:42 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

OBC friendly dealer Kurt Turdot asked me to pass this message along.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mr. Kurt" 
To: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2003 2:13 PM
Subject: Update

> Steve:
> Just to let you know, I have started selling stuff on
> eBay.  Please check out my auctions (seller ID -
> K2doe) and let any OBCers you may know that might be
> interested.  Thanks.
> Kurt
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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: one to go!
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:27:41 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Marshall West is our 3rd winner!  Congrats.  Remember to email me when you
pull/send cards to these guys so I can post totals!  We have one hit already

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:29:18 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hell Freezes Over -- Bucs Win Super Bowl!
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Hi gang,

Hell has frozen over. The Bucs won the Super Bowl! It's 10:30 pm..
EST and the next three hours are going to be something else here at
the paper. Did anyone see the special Trib page being held up at
Qualcomm that read "Bucs #1"? We were ready, all right. They are
already honking horns in downtown Tampa.

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:34:55 EST
Subject: My premature celebration!
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XDDX@aol.com

As holder of the numbers 1 and 1, I did a little premature celebrating with
the score 41-21 and less than ten seconds to go.  Why couldn't that Raider
lineman knock that guy out of bounds?!  :>

Congrats to the Buc fans!

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:36:14 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hell Freezes Over -- Bucs Win Super Bowl!
To: BDAngelo@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

Bob - It must be an exciting time in Tampa.  I thought the game was better
than the score.  Then again, i lost the office pool with that last damn
touchdown.  Wasn't 41-21 good enough?  Congratulations! - Doug

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:47:31 EST
Subject: Football Waiver Wire update...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi guys... you all have gone through these faster than I expected!  Good
job!!  I thought I better provide an update re: what's still available.  The
new availables list:

Hi all... in celebration of the Superbowl, it seemed a good time to let go of
my football dupes.  Have at 'em!  ...Jim

1960 Topps (F-G): #'s 79(Jimmy Patton, Giants)

1963 Topps #'s 108(Jim Prestel, Vikings... hol-y card, thanks to 9 hole

1966 Philadelphia #54 (George Andre, got all the creases that Prentice Gautt

1967 Philadelphia #'s 5 (Lou Kirouac, Falcons, VG, x2) 6 (Billy Martin,

1968 Topps #51 (Ron Kramer, Lions , Vg/Ex)

1970 Topps (most in EX... a few better or worse, just ask if condition is
important): #51(x2)

1972 Topps (most in VG/EX) #'s 64 76 77

1974 Topps #29(Zook, EX-)

1975 Topps #527(NFC Champs)

1978 Topps #130(Isiah Robertson, Ex) 254 (Rickey Young, Ex/Mt) 320 (John
Stallworth, VG)

1979 Topps (most Vg and most Vikes) 30(Ahmad Rashad) 58 79 163 259 343(x2)
378(x4) 420(Lyle Alzado, NM) 446 470 489(x4)

1980 Topps (NM) #'s 42 169 240 278 312 376 423
1981 Topps (NM) #'s 114(x2) 247(x2) 381 432
1982 Topps (NM, all Vikes) #'s 393 395 397(Rashad, x2) 398(x2) 402
1983 Topps (NM) #'s 104 328
1985 Topps (NM) #'s 78(Cromwell) 88(Youngblood) 93 97 99 124(Lawrence Taylor)
144 253
1987 Topps (NM) #'s 227 235
1991 Topps (NM) #23 (Dave Meggett)

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: and Kevin makes 4!
Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:25:28 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Kevin Martens is the 4th quarter winner.  Get that cardboard in the mail!
Condolences to Doug DeJong, who will, from this day forward, be know
as the 1-1 guy.

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:19:30 -0500 (EST)
To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com
Subject: incoming thanks and OBC in-activity
From: Jerry Coker 

First, I want to thank the following gentlemen for gracing my mailbox over
the past month:

Lynn Miller - for the Chriistmas card and some 74's, 75's, 77's, 78's, and
79's!  Thank you Lynn!!

Rick Elliison - for a 79 Carew and Parker!  Thank you Rick!!

Terry Dietrick - for a 70 hi #, a 73 hi #, a 74, and some 75's!  Thank you

Glen Codere - from some 60's and a 64!  Thank you Glen!!

Paul Biggs - for a 62 and 75!  Thank you Paul!!

Kit Okamuro - for a 75 Carew!  Thank you Kit!!

Now...I need to inform OBC and the OBCAC of some personal matters.  This
is not an easy email to write.

I have not been enjoying the best of health the last couple years.
I suffer from two chronic conditions that can make daily life very
challenging.  I am not critically ill or anything like that.  I'm just
plain worn out most of the time.  One of the resulting consequences is
that I have not been a very active member of the OBC community the past 2
years. Actually, I haven't been as active in anything the past two years.
I just don't have the energy right now to make the time. My unpredictable
health has forced me to re-evaluate my life and career goals. That in
mind, I am of the belief that now would be a good time for me to become
in-active in OBC.  I just cannot in good conscience continue to recieve
cards and return so few.  It just makes me feel worse.  So please, do not
send me any more cards.  I hope my in-activity will be short lived.  I
love the game of baseball, and I love collecting cards.  I also
hope that if/when I'm reinstated I can promptly repay all those that I
owe. I have kept a list of names.

Secondly, sometime in the future I may be selling some of my baseball
cards (among other things) via eBay.  Because of my unpredictable health,
I am not sure how much longer I will be able to work a full-time job,
particularly a job in my current profession.  As some of you know, making
career changes can be a very daunting and time consuming task.  Anyway, I
have a family, and I may need to generate a little $ until I can find a
job more suited to my needs.  I don't know when I would be selling on
eBay, because I'm still working my current full-time job, but I just
wanted you to know.  I sold my first cards via eBay before the Holidays to
get a feel for being a eBay seller, and to generate a little extra
$ for Xmas.  Anyway...the cards I would be selling would be cards
I purchased on eBay or from various other sources over the years.  They
are mostly higher condition cards.  However, I do have some lower
condition dupes from lots I bought off eBay too.

But, before I sell anything on eBay I wanted to ask if anyone in OBC
and/or OBCAC thinks that my selling via eBay would be improper?  You can
email via the list or personally if you have a problem with it.  I promise
that I would *never* sell a single card that an OBC'er sent me.  I know
others in the group sell on eBay, and I trust them.  But if there is any
OBC'er out there that has a problem with me selling, please LMK.

Lastly, there is no need to feel sorry for me.  We all have health
problems. And we all just take life a day at a time.  There are people a
lot sicker than me.  I will be fine.  I am lucky to have such a loving

Jerry Coker

Jerry Coker
Campus Information Technology Partnerships
The University of Georgia

=================

Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:04:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Part thanks, part show report, part question
To: obc thanks ,
From: Matthew 

Hey all,

My OBC universe expanded this weekend by attending the Rhode Island show with eight other OBCers,
many of whom already reported on finds and cards earlier. Jim and Sean woke me up at 7:30 Saturday
to launch my adventure from Cambridge, MA to Warwick, RI and back again. The show itself wasn't
lightning in a bottle (not many apparent low-grade stars, though some others swung great deals by
asking around and making connections). I picked up a Spike Owen oddball (1988 OPC proof card) and
a couple of here-and-there hits before picking through the one easily indentifiable off-grade
binder for a couple dozen cards just before we left for lunch. The best hits definitely came from
other OBCers, the winner being a 1955 Bowman Hodges from Bob Donaldson. Others chipped in with
hits to various sets, including all the 50s, a 67 high number, and even some 72 Kelloggs. Thanks
roll call:

BOB FARRELL! JIM HATCH! SEAN MCGOWAN! KEN MORGANTI! BOB DONALDSON! BOB PIGEON! MAC WUBBEN! JOE
CERULLO (by mail)!

A great day of cards made better by the company, great to meet Mac and Bob Farrell for the first
time. Speaking as a person with no major league equivalents (no Gliddens played in the MLB to my
knowledge), how many OBCers have close major leaguer names out there? I remember these:

Sean McGowan
Andy "Etche" Baran
Bob "O" Farrell
Bob Reed
Bob Wells

Anyone else whose name is really close?

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To: 
Subject: OBC T-Shirts
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:01:03 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

OBC T-Shirts

I was planning on ordering these shirts through a new local business to help
get them started. After I had an idea of how many members wanted shirts, I
was having no luck contacting the owners of this new local business. The next
week all of their equipment was moved out and the business folded. Sorry
for the delay.

Lynn Miller put me in touch with his friend in the Philippines, John (Quality
Garments), and we are ready to order our shirts. After I have collected the
money, the order will be submitted and all the shirts will be mailed tome.
Then I will mail out the shirts to those who paid and ordered them. I do
not plan on getting any extras. The shirts will be high quality, John even
makes the T-shirts! My initial email to see who would be interested resulted
in 41 responses. I have committed to purchasing at least 50 shirts which
keeps the cost down. I will only take orders for a few weeks, so send meyour

Cost for each shirt is $10 (ten) which includes all shipping charges (bulk mailing
from the Philippines to me, first class US mail from me to you). Several
members requested more than one shirt, but I think the costs will be about
the same to mail extra shirts. 2 shirts for $20 etc etc.

Shirts are available in white or gray and will have OBC Navy Blue trim on the
neck and sleeves. Shirts were designed by yours truly so you know they will
include some trash talking about our UV collecting buddies! NOTE: Please
specify shirt size by the size number! 42 48 54 etc etc check a T-shirt in
your drawer that fits to find that number.

So this is it. I hope we can establish a good working arrangement with John(Quality
Garments) and maybe get new shirts every other year or so, that would
be neat. Please send payment to:

Larry Tipton

23452 CR121

Hilliard FL 32046

Specify either white or gray shirt, and list your size by the size number. Sorry
I don't have a Pay Pal account or anything like that.

Larry (Guru)

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Website problems
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 13:19:39 +0000
From: Glenn Codere 

Is there some sort of problem with the OBC website? I can't seem to get it to load.

Or is there some sort of problem with me?....(don't answer that....).

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:38:24 +0800
To: "larry.tipton" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC T-Shirts
From: Lynn Miller 

Hi Guru and All,
But I do have a PayPal account.  PayPal to me would be the preferred
method by everyone.  It cost Ken a chunk of money for the fee to wire
transfer the money for the hats.  Me having U.S. dollars available is
the best method here in the Philippines.  Personal checks from anyone
would be a real pain over here. For those that don't have PayPal (and
what the heck is holding you up), give or send the money to a buddy who
does to include with his/her payment.  And if that doesn't work for you,
send me some old cardboard instead.  This is Guru's baby for sure and he
is to be commended for making it happen.  But this would work the
easiest for me.  Guru has the hard job of getting them out to everyone.
But you will have to be patient.  Took me awhile to get the hats to Ken
(not my problem he hasn't gotten them all out yet :>)  Copy me on all
your orders to Guru and we will keep the accounting straight.  This
isn't rocket science, so we're pretty safe not to screw it up.
If you liked the hats, you can be assured of the same good quality on
the T-shirts and a very affordable price.  OBC hats and T-shirts.  We
are going places!
And congrats to all my fellow Bucs fans!  Who says Defense can't win
championships!   Lynn

larry.tipton wrote:

> OBC T-Shirts
> . Sorry I don't have a Pay Pal account or anything like that.
> Larry (Guru)

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report, part question
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:37:30 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

Here are some others for you:
Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90
John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969
Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15
Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985
George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905
Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912
Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93

The closest to Glidden would have to be Dan Gladden.

-Bob R.

>From: Matthew 
>To: obc thanks ,  obc ramblings
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report, part question
>Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 22:04:05 -0800 (PST)
>Hey all,
>Speaking as a person with no major league equivalents (no Gliddens played
>in the MLB to my
>knowledge), how many OBCers have close major leaguer names out there? I
>remember these:
>Sean McGowan
>Andy "Etche" Baran
>Bob "O" Farrell
>Bob Reed
>Bob Wells
>Anyone else whose name is really close?

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:47:52 -0500
To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report, part question
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

There's Jim Dwyer who I only remember seeing in an Orioles uniform, but he always looked like the journeyman type to me, so perhaps he played elsewhere as well.

Brian Dwyer

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:50:38 EST
Subject: Close MLB name
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com

As a reply to Spike's question "who has a name close to an MLB player name" -
I'm close to 2:
Tom House (the guy who caught Aaron's 715th HR in the Brave pen)
and former Tiger catcher Tim Hosley

Best I can do!

Tom Housley

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:55:12 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report, part question
To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

How about Harvey Haddix, whose ancestors changed their name so that they
wouldn't be confused with the reprobate Hattox family?

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:37:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: MLB name/NFL name
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

Through the late 1970s and 1980s, I remember a certain
double threat who pitched for the New York Yankees and
also was a bruising defensive lineman for the
Pittsburgh Steelers named Chris Stufflestreet...

Oh, wait, you mean my childhood dreams didn't count?

That's about as close as you'll get to seeing a
similar name with me.

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:40:05 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Close MLB name
To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

The closest I will ever get is journeyman pitcher Al Levine...Although, I
idolize Josh Gibson....

-joshua levine

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:20:30 EST
Subject: Bob Lemke humor
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Last week I got my 2002 (I am always a year behind) SCD Standard Catalog. I
update the Phils list and make sure things are correct. Today, while reading
a new entry I came across a bit of humor...

1979 United Press International...bottom of description on page 463 says that
these "vinyl mini-record could presumebly be played on an anciet electronic
entertainment device known as a turntable"

I feel old...I remember those devices....

=================

To: 
Subject: OBC T Shirts #2
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:19:09 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

I was not aware of the problems in transferring money to Lynn in the Philippines,
so here is an updated payment plan.

If you have a PayPal account or are able to make payments to a PayPal account
send $10 for each shirt ordered to Lynn Millers PayPal account (I do notknow
what Lynns PayPal account address is yet). Then email me, tell me youhave
paid Lynn through PayPal, and provide me with your shirt information.(White
or Gray, number ordered, and shirt size). Lynn and I will compare his
deposits with your email follow up orders. I will confirm your order with
an email back to you.

If you don't have a PayPal account, send me a check with your shirt information
enclosed (White or Gray, number ordered, and shirt size).

Larry Tipton

23452 CR121

Hilliard FL 32046

I will confirm receipt of payment with an email.

Either option is fine with me because both Lynn and I need funds to accomplish
our part. If most people pay me by check, I can work with the OBCAC Treasurer
(or someone else with a PayPal account) to get the extra money I have
been paid to Lynn via Pay Pal. Again, whatever is best for each OBC Member
is fine.

Remember to use shirt size number. After searching through all the closets here
is what I come up with:

34 36 small

38 40 medium

42 44 large

46 48 Xlarge

We don't have any larger shirts but it looks like each size steps up with two
size numbers?

50 52 XXlarge?

54 56 XXXlarge?

58 60 XXXXlarge?

check your Tshirts drawer for a size that fits.

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:33:12 EST
Subject: Re: Lemke Humor
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com

HELLO EVERYONE!
Haven't heard from me in a while?  I fear I have been busy.  Most of you know
me as a minister, however I do have a side job in Oak Ridge, Tennessee.  I
could tell you, but I would have to kill you.  (you figure it out)

I will be sending out a ton of thank you's (about 3 months worth) as soon as
I total the damage up.  Hopefully you guys are as happy to see me as my dog

I am working backwards through a lot of email, but the Lemke Humor note
struck a chord.

Keep in mind that I collect 78rpm records... they were played on a more
ancient, non electric device called a victrola :)     Fortunatley I wasn't
around when they were popular.  I do remember watching games in black and
white when I was a kid before we got rich in 1978 and bought a color set.
Going even farther back, I can remember going to my uncle's house in
Kentucky, where the household  activities would come to an immediate halt
when the Cincinatti Reds games came on the RADIO as they didn't have TV.
I still prefer baseball on the radio.

Is it just me or have the baseball radio analyists lost a lot of thier
"storytelling" ability becasue they have done too much TV where people can
see for themselves what happened?    That would of course lead me to another
one of my pet peeves... TV announcers that tell you what you just looked at.
Nothing added, no insight... just facts that we already knew becuause we just
saw the play?

I have a ton of things to do, incluiding a lot of OBC stuff, but it's good to
be back and I am looking forward to getting caught up.

=================

To: "obc thanks" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report, part question
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:17:36 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

the other Sean McGowan still hasn't had a major league AB :(

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" 
> A great day of cards made better by the company, great to meet Mac and Bob
Farrell for the first
> time. Speaking as a person with no major league equivalents (no Gliddens
played in the MLB to my
> knowledge), how many OBCers have close major leaguer names out there? I
remember these:
> Sean McGowan
> Andy "Etche" Baran
> Bob "O" Farrell
> Bob Reed
> Bob Wells
> Anyone else whose name is really close?

=================

To: 
Subject: MLB Names...
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 15:37:14 -0600
From: "Suzanne Freegard Schoenrock" 

That is such a sexist question...I don't recall any ballplayer named Sassy!!!!
:)  There isn't even a name close in the AAGPBL...kind of bums me out! There
was a pitcher named Jumbo Schoeneck....hmmm Schoenrock...that is kind
of close...There was Mackey Sasser...  Just my two cents worth!

=================

Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 06:38:27 +0800
To: "larry.tipton" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC T Shirts #2
From: Lynn Miller 

My PayPal account is my email address. Sorry, that's how easy PayPal
works, all you need is the email address.  Lynn

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:19:49 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Names
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

There used to be a Houston Texan (old AFL) Rich Michaels.  I used to pick up
his cards.
Michael Rich

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:20:00 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 630
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: KEVINM38@aol.com

Hi all,

Amazing, I won.

I spent over 100 dollars on boxes and did not win a box.
I was feeling mighty blue but thanks to OBC my bad luck has turned around!!

I am sorry for the OBC member that had lost out in the last 11 seconds!!

If anyone is checking my wantlists, I still need that 52 Topps Mantle..lol

Thanks again Sean for doing this for the group!!

=================

Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:21:53 -0500 (EST)
To: seanobc@attbi.com (Sean McGowan)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report,
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I'm sure given time, Grant would get around to (mis)spelling my name
into Killebrew or the French version Kil 'lebrue.

Speaking of Grant Rainsley, the Hoefty one sends several OPC Tigers that
can't be mentioned on this server.

Since we are playing name-games, I'm sure you have all heard of crossing
Boog Powell with Felipe Alou and getting Boog Alou. For those of you who
are bored, sick, or both, this has potential.

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show report,part question
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:30:42 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

That reminds me of the anagram for Cardinal pitch Bud Smith I read
somewhere.  I'll let you fill in the blanks......"Dumb S---"

>From: Originaleek@webtv.net
>To: seanobc@attbi.com (Sean McGowan)
>CC: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com (obc thanks),obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>(obc 	ramblings),obc_spike@yahoo.com (Matthew)
>Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Part thanks, part show
>report,part question
>Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:21:53 -0500 (EST)
>I'm sure given time, Grant would get around to (mis)spelling my name
>into Killebrew or the French version Kil 'lebrue.
>Speaking of Grant Rainsley, the Hoefty one sends several OPC Tigers that
>can't be mentioned on this server.
>Since we are playing name-games, I'm sure you have all heard of crossing
>Boog Powell with Felipe Alou and getting Boog Alou. For those of you who
>are bored, sick, or both, this has potential.
>We keep what we give away!
>                                        EEK

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: My longest day....
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 18:33:27 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

My longest day in recent memory was 29 or 30 hours long.   Late last week MAC
WUBBEN and I agreed at the last minute to drive up to a card show held annually
in Warwick, Rhode Island.  We could either choose to leave early inthe
evening and stay with Bob Reed or leave late at night and get to RhodeIsland
just at the show began.  We chose to leave late at night.  I suppose
the evening officially started when Mac called and said that he'd take meup
on my offer to drive 1/2 hour south to pick him up so that we could drive
north.  After getting lost three times, I finally showed up at Mac's place.
He made some final touches to his list and we left.  Then we got some gas.
Mac, being new to the VA area, has only found only gas station in thestate
so we went to that one.  I suppose it was only a minor detour.  We eventually
got back to my house where I could begin packing up for the show."Packing
up" usually means printing my list and anyone else's I feel like
taking, pulling cards for expected participants and putting my dupes boxes
(about 10,000 to 15,000 baseball cards) into the car.   This time "packing"
also meant making sure the OBC hats accidentally left in my car in December
get back to Ken.  In the end, "packing" didn't go well.   I put the dupes
& hats in the car, printed out an obsolete copy of my list and didn't pull
cards for anyone.   But we were off...   I forgot what time we left but I
think it was between 12:30am and 1:30am.   The road was clear in front ofus.
We sailed up I-95 at a nice clip.   We had a long debate on who was the
better athlete, Michael Jordan vs. Wilt Chamberlain.   I couldn't convince
Mac that I thought Wilt was the better all-around athlete.   A few hours
into our trip, we stopped at the Vince Lombardi Rest Stop just south of the
GW bridge.  I think we both got egg sandwiches on croissants at the Burger
King there.  It was the first enjoyable meal I've had at BK in a long time.
We made our way through NJ, NY, CT and finally into Rhode Island and we
had time to spare.  I called Robert Pigeon on my cell phone but there was
no answer on his cell phone.  I figured we'd have breakfast together but we
were on our own.   We wanted a nice sit down breakfast, but the first thing
we spotted was a "Bess Eatin'" donut shop.   The food there was really good,
IMHO.   I had a cinnamon roll and a big cup of coffee.   Plus anotheregg
sandwich.   We got back onto the road and saw a sign for Cracker Barrel
at the next exit.  Oh well.   The call from Robert finally came and he said
he'd meet us at the rendezvous, a mall just off the highway and only a couple
miles from the show.   We got there early too.  About 200 or 300 miles
back, Mac said "I need to find an ATM".  I told him the New Jersey rest stops
had First Union ATMs but the one we stopped at did not.   Nor could wefind
one after we had breakfast.   So instead we went to a Walmart where Mac
could go and get some cash back.   I figured he'd only be a minute or two
so I stayed in the car.  In order to avoid the $2 ATM fee, he did some shopping.
10 or 15 minutes later, I had not figured out what happened to Mac.
Robbery?  No, other customers had come out.   Card not working?  No. Then
he'd come out.   Mac fell and hit his head?  The scene was too calm.   Finally
he came out and said that he had to do some shopping to avoid the fee.
So he found some t-shirts.   Next time, I go inside as well even if allI
end up doing is sitting on a bench.   Yes, I'm compulsive about being ata
show when it starts and we were bumping up against that.  Anyway, we drove
over to where Robert Pigeon was parked.   He was in his van with his back
turned to us so I banged on his car door with my hand and took about 5 years
off his life.   There was no sign of the other guys yet and here is was8:20
already.   Sheesh!  Show stars in 10 minutes!  What if I miss something!
Luckily I trained on Vulcan in supressing my emotions.  I only got a B-
so the course helps but Im not perfect at it.   Either Jim Hatch called Robert
or the other way around.  I shouted out "you're late!" but that didn't
get them to instantly materialize.  The message: they were still in Cambridge
Mass, at least an hour away.   So we did the next right thing:  we followed
Robert up to the show.   The show itself was held in a banquet hall.All
the promoter money went to a local church.   We showed up around 8:45and
there was already a big crowd inside.  Oh no!  I might have missed a deal!!!
The first guy I saw was a non-sport dealer I knew from the three day
Shriner show in November.   He had fairly good stuff.   I picked out a pile
of about 2 dozen cards including some expensive Mars Attacks singles.  The
total was about $140 and he said "$105".  I was a bit too frantic to negotiate
very hard but it was a fair price.   The Mars Attacks were the onlysignificant
thing I got.   The rest were hits to minor sets like Wild Westand
Wings.   I asked if there were other non-sport guys at the show.  He told
me about another guy in the same aisle.  This guy had an album full of $2
cards.  I would have bought a ton if they were $1.   As I was looking through
them, Robert Pigeon came by and said he knew this guy but he doesn't discount.
So at least I knew what I was getting into.  I took abouth 10 from
the album and one or two other things and gave him a $20.   Then I ended
up looking through other albums and giving him more cash.  Eventually, I had
pulled out two of one card, so I asked if I could put it back and pull out
something else.   Lucky for me he was agreeable to that.   As I was finishing
up there, I saw a sea of OBC hats nearby, led by Ken.  Ken, Sean, Spike,
Jim had all arrived.   Bob Donaldson and Bob Farrell would soon join them.
I handed out one or two things and chewed the fat.   Spike said the best
vintage stuff was in the other room.  I meandered around and eventually
got to an innocent looking table.   There was a wide selection of stuff there
-- stars in a showcase like a Ryan RC and a '58 Mantle.   Robert Pigeon
came over and said that this dealer was his buddy.   So I pulled out a few
cards.   The ones previously mentioned, plus a Gibson RC and some others.I
asked if he had any other '52s and he pulled out a shoebox full.   I went
through them and pulled out some black / red backs I need for my set.  In
the showcase were a couple of T201s so I asked Robert to go get Mac andsee
if he wanted them.  Well, Robert got Matt (Spike Glidden) so I asked him
to try again.  :-)    Mac did show up and I asked him what a fair price for
those were.   I think he said about $20.   By this time, I had a small pile
of commons and stars so I wanted to see where we were at.   He said $250
but I got him down to $230.  I wrote a check for it and then kept talking
to him.   By this time Bob Farrell had found us and was looking at the '52s.
And Mac was looking at everything.   So we were pulling MORE cards.   Well,
rather than write out another check, we just added to the total for the
first check.   Did Bob Farrell want a '58 Williams for $50?  Ok -- then add
it to the pile.   Farrell kept pulling out pile after pile of '52s.  $25
here.  $25 there.  Mac was pulling out Goudeys and Diamond Stars and adding
to the pile.   Then Mac started going through a big box of '50 Bowmans. He
said something like 200-250 card in there, including 20-30 highs.  What
should he pay?   Well what he did pay was added to the pile.   I'm surprised
the dealer had a table left when we were done.  The final total was nearly
$1000 to be split between the three of us.    It was all one huge pile.The
tally was on the back of the first check I had written (and then ripped
up).  So I asked Mac and Bob to step outside so we could straighten everything
out.    After about 20 minutes, the piles were sorted out.   Bob Farrell
gave me cash for his part of it.  Mac gave me a big smile and an IOU. That
and a quarter will get me a phone call.   hahaha     We went back inside
and I told Ken I had spent $1000.  I think he almost fell done though it
could have been due to all the Posts and basketball cards he had in his hand.
We walked around some more but found nothing else significant.  I got
a Star Market Jim Rice card for Erik Greenwood and I showed Mac a Tip Top
Billy Southworth that was covered in tape.   I think people said "lunch break"
but I managed to squeeze in a bit more wandering before then.   Didn't
find anything though...   Off to lunch.   Rather than take all the cards,Mac
and I got into Bob Farrell's car and we went off to Hooters.  I figured
we'd come back and then people can look through my dupes.  And I could give
Ken the hats.   BIG MISTAKE!!!    I should know better never to assume things
about other people's schedules.   Jim and his guys had to leave directly
from the show to go back to MA & NH so I had really screwed up.  No giving
out cards.  No returning the hats.   I suppose its not the end of the world,
but giving Ken the hats back was one of the reasons I had for making the
trip....   Well, Bob F, Bob P, Mac and I went back to the show and wentback
to the guy we spent the morning with.   I had hoped to do some damageto
my hockey lists but was told that all their hockey was back at the shop.
We asked if they'd open the store for us after the show.  That actually worked
out well.   We went back to Bob Farrell's house around 2 or 3pm, go to
see his immaculate collection and dupes and generally hung out until 5 or
so.  I drink LOTS of coffee as I was beginning to fade.   We made our wayover
to the show and it was like locusts in a corn field.   A guy would take
a box of 60s stuff and attack it.   I asked for the hockey and was givenbox
after box of '70s Topps hockey.  Unfortunately, I finished those sets a
year ago.   They had 80s hockey but Ive not made any lists yet.   And there
was no 50s or 60s hockey for me.   I borrowed their computer so I could print
out a couple of lists and I ended up with a small pile of about 20 cards,
all commons.   We were wrapping things up when Mac asked about a 1992 Conlon
set.  I said I wanted one too so Mac said I could have that one.  The
price, $5.  The price with my commons added in, still $5.   So I really can't
complain about the pricing.   Now it was about 7pm and I was dead tired.
There was a pub across the street but I didn't want waitress food.  Instead
we went to a sub shop.  I got a cheeseburger sub which I liked.   Macgot
a foofy pita sandwich.  He said it was the worst thing he ever ate.   We
went back to Bob Farrells house to eat.  I had pulled a few cards from Bob's
dupes, mostly Kelloggs.  But I hadn't really attacked them.   And somehow
Bob ended up with a dupe 1956 Yankees Team card so I ended up with a low
grade one (for my team card collection).   Bob hadn't taken anything fromme
yet so I made him dig through one of my boxes, the one with 1909 - 1963dupes.
He found a nice stack of 63 mid series and high numbers in there. Robert
Pigeon took a tiny stack of '55 Bowmans from my dupes and bought the
Ryan RC and '55 Mantle that I had found at the show.   I wish we had stayed
at Bob Farrells longer but the plan was to drive back that night so we packed
up the car and got going.   We stopped at a convenience store to fill
the tank (and our stomachs) and witnessed some clueless young guy win about
$600 from a lottery scratch off ticket.   Bob Farrell had bought each ofus
scratch off tickets previous but we didn't have the karma this guy did.I
tried to get Mac to split one of these $5 winning tickets with me but he
figured it was a fluke and would not happen again.  I figured maybe it was
an error and another ticket would be similarly generously.  I should havejust
bought 'em myself.  ;-)     We   s   l   o   w   l   y     made our way
south.   It seemed like we spent three hours in Connecticut alone.   Theonly
tough stretch to navigate was through NYC so I made sure I was awake to
do that bit of the driving.   I wish I had slept through the rest of Connecticut.
I woke up around 15 miles from the border and we decided we'd pull
off and fill up.   We couldn't agree on which part of the rest stop to stop
at so I told Mac to turn the car around and go back the way we came, even
though we'd be driving into a do not enter zone.   Its tough for me notto
snap at people when I was so tired.   But I realized I owed Mac an apology
when we got inside.   We got back in the car and I was determined to pick
up the pace.   We didn't fly through NY and NJ but the traffic was thinning
out as it got to be midnight.   Somewhere in NJ, I gave in and let Mac play
some Bob Dylan on my CD player.   He put the disc in and said "does your
car play CD-R disks?"   I figured it did not because all I heard was a cat
wailing in agony.  Turns out that was actually Bob Dylan.   hahaha    The
first Dylan album we listened to was actually ok (but don't tell Mac this).
The second wasn't so we switched to something else.   We made it to the
DC Beltway around 3:30am.  I was getting really tired but not terribly so.
I was able to make it back to Mac's house.  Luckily with him in the car,I
didn't get lost this time.   We unloaded his stuff, I went and washed myface
and went back to my place.  Got home around 4:30 am.   Slept until noon.
Was up for an hour and slept until 4:30 or 5:00 pm.  Now its a day later
and I still haven't unpacked the cards I bought or retrieved my dupes from
the car.

Lessons learned:  Pull cards before I go.   Overnight driving is not as hard
as I thought it would be.   Schedule a rest break at someone's house after
a show so that the drive home will be easier.  Fix the window seals on mycar.
There was a loud breeze driving Mac crazy the whole time.  I can't blame
him for that.   Make a list of the breakfast (or dinner) spots to hitbefore
the trip starts.   A list of Cracker Barrells would have helped.  And
possibly invest in a thermos so I can drink coffee on a trip like this. Diet
Coke was ok but coffee seemed to wake me up more.   Oh, and the mostimportant
thing.   Don't make assumptions about time available for others to
look at your dupes.   The more people at a show, the more complicated things
will be.

I talked to Andy Cook last night and we decided we'd try to hit some other shows
within a four hour radius.  I'll be looking to the Fugitive for recommendations
in his area.   We came up with the Pittsburgh show at the end ofApril
and the next Raleigh show as possibilities.   Four hours each way toa
show seems reasonable with two drivers.   The 6 1/2 hour trip we did wasa
little long for one day though we could have planned it better.

Thanks to everyone who read even the first line of this report.  And to those
of you who read to the end, I commend you.  I would have stopped 10 minutes
ago.  hahahaha

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:22:55 -0500 (EST)
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My longest day....
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

It's a good thing that show was not a week-end event, otherwise your
report would have rivaled Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" in length and

We keep what we give away!

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:25:29 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC T-Shirts
To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Put me in for a white one, size 38-40 (medium).  Since you are coordinating
the design, my guess is that these T-shirts will come with frayed edges and
holes punched through the underarms .  Now if you can sand down the front
a little bit.....

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 22:56:05 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Anyone tape halftime?
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

This is going out on a limb, but did anyone by any chance happen to tape SNL's halftime show?  Saturday Night Live did a short gig on one of the networks.  Among their skits was a parody of the new season of American Idol.  One of their parody subjects happened to be a former student from my school.  He graduated last year and was on the premier of Idol this year.  He was the singer that lashed out at the judges and was told that better people sang outside subway stations (if anyone saw it).

Either way, thanks for reading this non-related request.

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:03:05 EST
Subject: RE:(OBC-Ramblings] Anyone tape halftime?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

No sorry I was watching Shania Twain.................It was teonly time all
night that is saw something in silver and black moving consistently  and

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Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:07:57 -0500
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE:(OBC-Ramblings] Anyone tape halftime?
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

That's OK, Ray.  If anyone saw the Idol premier, they will stand behind me when I say that watching Shania Twain was a million times better than seeing this kid.  Gannon's 5 interceptions, as bad as they were, were better than the singing and style of our alum.

Condolences to the Raider fans.

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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB name/NFL name
Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 23:37:07 -0800
From: "AL Cummings" 

Off the top of my head, my closest pro player is Midre Cummings. No relation
I assume. Don't remember anyone else in the big Buckett.
Big Al in Seattle
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Stufflestreet" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:37 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB name/NFL name

> Through the late 1970s and 1980s, I remember a certain
> double threat who pitched for the New York Yankees and
> also was a bruising defensive lineman for the
> Pittsburgh Steelers named Chris Stufflestreet...
> Oh, wait, you mean my childhood dreams didn't count?
> Damn!
> That's about as close as you'll get to seeing a
> similar name with me.
> Take care,
> Chris
> =====
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To: 
Subject: OBC T-Shirts
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:17:08 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

OBC T-Shirts

Cost for each shirt is $10 (ten) which includes all shipping charges (bulk mailing
from the Philippines to me, first class US mail from me to you). Several
members requested more than one shirt, but I think the costs will be about
the same to mail extra shirts. 2 shirts for $20 etc etc.

Shirts are available in white or gray and will have OBC Navy Blue trim on the
neck and sleeves. Shirts were designed by yours truly so you know they will
include some trash talking about our UV collecting buddies! Please specify
shirt size by the size number! 42 or 48 or 54 etc etc check a T-shirt in
your drawer that fits to find that number.

34 or 36 small
38 or 40 medium
42 or 44 large
46 or 48 Xlarge
We don't have any larger shirts but it looks like each size steps up with two
size numbers?
50 or 52 XXlarge?
54 or 56 XXXlarge?
58 or 60 XXXXlarge?

(Payment /Ordering Instructions)
If you have a PayPal account or are able to make payments to a PayPal account
send $10 for each shirt ordered to Lynn Millers PayPal account lynnm@piol.net
Then email me, tell me you have paid Lynn through PayPal, and provideme
with your shirt information. (White or Gray, number ordered, and shirt size).
Lynn and I will compare his deposits with your email follow up orders.
I will confirm your order with an email back to you.

If you don't have a PayPal account, advise me via email larry.tipton@netzero.net
and provide me with your shirt information. (White or Gray, number ordered,
and shirt size). I will confirm your order with an email back to you.

Then send a check to:

Larry Tipton

23452 CR121

Hilliard, FL 32046

Email larry.tipton@netzero.net

Thanks, Guru

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 08:54:08 EST
Subject: Argument for Cecil Travis
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Content-Language: en

A local attorney/card collector/baseball fan writes an occasional newsletter
on baseball history.   I learned a lot from the latest newsletter and thought
it would add to recent ramblings on who belongs in the HOF.
Hope you enjoy it,

To:  National Baseball Hall of Fame Committee onBaseball Veterans

CecilTravis -- perhaps you know his name for surely he should be in the Hall
ofFame, not because Bob Feller told me so when he called me last
November,telling me what a good hitter he was and what a "great person&
quot; he is,but because he earned the right to be remembered, to be
extolled. Like SandyKoufax, Cecil Travis played his heart out and when his
skill set turned to onlyordinary, went on to privately live his life. In this
era of re-visitation, it is remarkable that you have left Mr.Travis off of
your final ballot, a fact only possible given that Mr. Travisended his
baseball career before so many of you were born.

Iattempted to interview Cecil for this piece and chatted with him a number
oftimes. =E2=9CMr. Schear,=E2=9D he said, =E2=9CI just do not wantto
do anymore
interviews.=E2=9D Iguess that when you are eighty-nine you can choose tospeak
with whomever youwant. His story, though, is too compelling to be forgotten.
Off I went to the University of Georgialibrary to re-read the box scores of
the 30's and 40's, to read one ShirleyPovich column after another, to pour
over the statistics of Cecil Travis and toultimately understand why your
system is flawed, why you look at thenumbers, the cumulative numbers, and
little more.

TheHall of Fame should not be about who played in the biggest of the cities,
whohad the most television exposure, who hit the longest home runs. Few
played thegame better than Cecil Travis. He had the misfortune of playing for
a terriblebaseball team (the Washington Nationals, a team which in 1945
played so manydouble headers that it finished one week early, allowing the
Redskins to playfootball on the same field), in a horrible baseball city
(some things never change),in the most difficult of times (World War II), and
in the shadows of othergreat, great ballplayers. Yet he excelled in every way
needed to be enshrinedin Cooperstown and, more importantly, in ways that make
one a true hero.Heroes, after all, do things that we only wish that we had
the courage to do --and Cecil did all of that.

Itis interesting that Cecil Travis prolonged the ninth inning of the 1941
AllStar Game so that Ted Williams could hit his famous home run.  Cecil was
there as well on July 4, 1939,when Lou Gehrig gave his emotional farewell
speech (just for the record, Cecilhad four hits in that double header). Cecil
saw Babe Ruth hit his last home run and was even at Babe Ruth Dayin 1947.
Cecil rode with Ty Cobb fromDetroit to Cooperstown in 1939, playing in the
dedication game of the Hall ofFame.  But these are hardly reasons
forinclusion in your club.

CecilTravis began his career on May 16, 1933, when he was called up from
theChattanooga Lookouts, the farm team of the Nationals, to fill in for
OssieBluege. Just off the train, and having never before seen a major league
park,he was inserted into the line-up. Despite the persistent light drizzle
(and in front of about 1000 fans),he singled in each of first five at bats,a
record that still stands. When hisinjured teammate returned, and despite
having hit .302, back he went to theminors.  His 1933 team did make it tothe
World Series and his teammates voted him a full World Series share,
loser=E2=99sshare of course, of $500.  In 1934,Cecil returned to his rightful
place on the major league squad.

Didyou know that no shortstop in the American League has a higher career
battingaverage shortstop than does Cecil?  .314if you care to look it up (and
actually that is unfair because it was .327through 1941). His averages for
1937-1941 were .344,.335, .292 (yes he had theflu and lost a significant
amount of weight, but isn't that a part of thegame), .322 and .359 (more on
that later).  Cecil likely led the league in being spiked as well.

Itis important that his career statistics are given some perspective.
ArkyVaughn, one of the greatest of the National League hitting shortstops hit
.318.Ernie Banks, one of my favorites, hit .274. Luis Aparicio hit .262 and
neverhit higher than .313. Ozzie Smith hit .262 and while he had a wonderful
glove,I am unaware of any defensive players elected to your club from the
30's or40's. Pee Wee Reese hit .269 and only once hit over .300. In fact, in
1941,Cecil hit 130 points higher than did Reese. Do you think that the New
York papers might have rightly helped Cecilhad he played in New York? And
Phil Rizzuto hit .273, hitting as high as .324once (Cecil averaged higher
than that for eight years).

Yes,I think that it is unfair perhaps, but to whom -- surely not Mr. Travis
(maybeto the sport writers?) to compare statistics, but isn't the
conversational partof baseball what makes the sport so special? In fact, the
players who should be most closely compared to Cecil Travisare Joe Cronin and
Luke Appling, glorious players whose own careers overlappedCecil's career.
Cronin had the great fortune of getting out of Washington after1934,
finishing his career with Boston. He was the consummate shortstop andaveraged
.301 for his career. Luke Appling played his entire career in Chicagowhere he
batted .310 and had one season with an eye popping .388 (1936).  In fact, the
only statistic that Cecil lacksis years played.

Isuppose that I would, if given the chance, love to go back in time to
livethrough the storied 1941 season, a season that had it all, from Ted
Williamshitting .406 to Joe DiMaggio hitting in 56 straight games.
Absolutelyunbelievable, and unfortunately these two great players are gone.
Cecil isn't and you need to know about hisaccomplishments that season as
well. Let=E2=99s put it this way, DiMaggio was thirdin the American League
hitting as his .357 was two points behind CecilTravis. In fact, Cecil led the
league in hits with 218 (Heath had 199, DiMaggio193, Appling 186 and Williams
185). Just for good measure, Cecil had 39doubles, 19 triples and 316 total
bases. Amazingly, Cecil started off the season with 30 hits in his first 57
atbats!  Again, poor timing for Cecil ashis extraordinary season was
over-shadowed by two of baseball=E2=99s mostmemorialized achievements.

Wow-- and Cecil was just hitting his prime. He was twenty eight, he already
had1370 hits and he was a three time all-star. Here is where the story turns
andone is forced to ponder, is it about quality or quantity? Is itabout doing
the most with your life (again, my Koufax reference) or aboutgetting the most
hits, hitting the most home runs, pitching the most games,piling up the most
statistics? Or is it at all about doing what is right? I'vethought through
this paradigm and, candidly, come down on the side thatconcludes that you
have treated Cecil shamefully, perhaps out of ignorance orperhaps out of
envy, but shamefully nonetheless. Cecil tried to dissuade mefrom writing this
article and rarely has commented on the Hall of Fame but hedid in 1993 when
he told Furman Bisher that he " ...thought that the Hallof Fame ought to
be for the people of an upper level, like Ruth and Gehrig andCobb and Foxx,
players who were great all their years. I see a lot of fellasgoing in now who
were pals of the people that elect them, I guess."  And perhaps Cecil is
right, however, theHall of Fame is surely about players with lesser
statistics, lesser certainlythan Ruth and Cobb.

FurmanBisher's opinion is important as well as he has been writing about
sports forover sixty years. He knew Ty Cobb and Shoeless Joe Jackson and has
seen all ofthe great players in the last half of the twentieth century. It is
his opinionthat Cecil should be in the Hall of Fame, a fact that he
corroborates with therecommendation of Ted Williams.  Infact, Williams took
the time to compare Cecil=E2=99s batting style to that of JohnOlerud.  Furman
knows that careers cutshort have still been honored by the Hall of Fame,
players such as Russ Young,Dizzy Dean and Sandy Koufax. Cecil Travis had his
career cut short because ofWorld War II.

Notonly did Cecil Travis fight for his country following the 1941 season,
helikely saw more real fighting than any other baseball player. There was
nothingglamorous about being in the Infantry in France where Cecil and his
fellowsoldiers went with the front line troops. Courageously fighting with
the 76thInfantry in the Battle of the Bulge, he went several days without
food orwater, incurring severe frostbite of his feet. Despite his injury and
the fact that he was eligible for discharge,Cecil asked to be sent to the
Pacific when the war in Europe was subsiding.Fortunately, the war ended.
Cecilunderstood, quite clearly I suppose, that world peace was just a bit
moreimportant than a few hits or stolen bases.

Unfortunately,in addition to the injuries that Cecil suffered, the war stole
his bat speed.The headline in the Washington Post on September 9, 1945 notes
that "AfterThree Years Travis Still Has the Same Old Swing.=E2=9D  What
wonderful thought, but unfortunately untrue. Cecil Travishit .241 the
remainder of 1945 and then hit .252 and .216 the next two years,retiring in
the middle of 1947 when the Nationals had a day in his honor.  Can you
imagine what a day it might havebeen had he played in New York?  Cecilknew
when it was time to go back to Georgia. He has lived on his family=E2=99s
homestead here for over fifty (50) yearsand has never suggested that life has
treated him unfairly.

Justtwo days before Cecil returned to the lineup in 1945, Shirley Povich
noted that"you can't say anything un-nice about Cecil Travis...the kind
of fellowwho thinks that the Army was very nice to him to let him out when he
had only96 discharge points, 16 more than the required number." Cecil
would tellPovich that "Ah'm just bashful." Interestingly, Bill
McGowan, anumpire in the 40's, noted that Cecil was the favorite player of
the umpires,=E2=9Cnever squawking on a called strike or decision and that
he was
the only playerthat he ever felt sorry for calling out."

Baseballis a sport which so mirrors our society, our advancements and our
failings, ourstruggles and our accomplishments.  Itis a sport played by
children of all ages, from all backgrounds. Its players comefrom all regions
of this country. They are big and small, smart and not sosmart. And each of
them is somehow held to a statistical standard. It is whatmakes baseball such
an amazing game; there are all kinds of singles, all kindsof ways to win the
game, all kinds of arguments over what it takes to be great.

Aboutsome things, however, there should be no argument. Cecil Travis played
majorleague baseball from 1933-1947 in a manner which defined excellence.
Heaveraged .327 from 1933-1941 and then he did something truly important.He
fought, really fought, so that we could live like we do, be like we are.
Hefought so that we could be free, free to play games like baseball, free
toargue over what could have happened in the game last night, free to argue
overwho should be traded and who has the fastest fast ball. That number"4
", as in =E2=9CYears Served at War=E2=9D does not appear in the statisticbooks
and it is four more than most of us have ever imagined. Yes, the older ofyou
(Feller, et al) understand this sense of commitment, the appreciation
thatduty to country is most important, that leaders lead and that the best
rewardis simply doing what is right.  CecilTravis has never asked to be
honored. Yet he represented, on the playing field and the battlefield, what
weall should honor most.

CecilTravis will turn ninety on August 8th of 2003. He still lives in
Riverdale, Georgia, nearby where he played ball as ayoungster.  He didn't ask
to playbaseball for a team that was all but invisible (in a city that doesn't
have ateam or anyone to remind those of its legends), he was not on ESPN and
hedoesn't really want me to have written this article. Whether or not
CecilTravis deserves to be in the Hall of Fame (his numbers more than speak
forthemselves), he is a part of baseball that deserves to be remembered.
Perhapsno player in the 1940's was more skilled and gave more of himself than
didCecil Travis.

CommitteeMembers, verify my statistics if you must. Research further if you
like.  Nomatter what, look in your hearts.  Thereyou will find the courage to
do what is noble, patriotic and inspiring.  Choose, this time, to honor the
right kindof man =E2=93 baseball star, war hero, respected citizen =E2=93
and thereby
not onlypreserve, but advance the mission of the Hall of Fame.

Thankyou in advance for your consideration.

Most Sincerely,

Abe J. Schear

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: For the T206 collector who has everything
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:41:45 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2704690306&category=31719

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Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:46:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: upcoming MA shows
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

Any of the New England OBCers been to these two shows? I've got the show bug back again and am
thinking of hitting both this weekend.

Feb 1: Waltham, Best Western, 10-3
Feb 2: Woburn, 4 Points Sheraton, 8:30-1:30 (wow, 8:30 on a Sunday!)

Fellow shoppers are always welcome, of course.

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 01:38:24 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Heading West.....
From: "jimbo777777 " 

Howdy folks,

I'm heading out west early Thursday morning, for our annual 3-week
vacation in Palm Springs.  I'll have my laptop with me, so I'll check
in occasionally.  Otherwise, I'll catch up on thanks and stuff when I
get back on Feb 19.  Hold the Fort!

=================

To: 
Subject: T206 dups
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:48:20 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 

Just got in an eBay lot of 13 that I bought without determining first whether
I needed them or not.  Came out pretty good ..... I needed 2 of them and5
others were new backs for that player.  That leaves the following 6 available
for trade, anybody interested?

Graham, Boston
Jones, St Louis
Miller, Pitt
=================

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 06:45:03 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Updates?
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

It's been a while since we've had an update on Rick Redpath or John
Ball. If anyone out there has seen or heard from either recently it
would be great to know how they are doing. Better still, it would be
really great to hear from them directly. Both remain in my daily

We keep what we give away!

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To: ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Updates?
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 07:45:05 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I talked to Rick around Xmas time and he was in great spirits.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Updates?

It's been a while since we've had an update on Rick Redpath or John
Ball. If anyone out there has seen or heard from either recently it
would be great to know how they are doing. Better still, it would be
really great to hear from them directly. Both remain in my daily

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 08:27:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OBC-style 1952 Berk Ross Mantle on eBay
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2705115325&category=642

Bid at $10.50 at the moment ...

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:45:12 EST
Subject: Eagles fans are getting nasty!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

Q. What do a salad bar and the Super Bowl have in commom?
>A. They are 2 things that Andy Reid can't seem to reach.
>Q: What do you call 47 people sitting around watching the Super Bowl?
>A: The Philadelphia Eagles.
>Q: What do the Eagles and Billy Graham have in common?
>A: The both can make 70,000 people stand up and yell "Jesus Christ".
>Q: How do you keep an Eagle out of your yard?
>A: Put up goal posts.
>Q: Why doesn't Camden have a professional football team?
>A: Because then Philly would want one.
>Q: Why was the Eagle's coach upset when the play book was stolen?
>A: Because he hadn't finished coloring it.
>Q: What's the difference between the Eagles and a dollar bill?
>A: You can still get four quarters out of a dollar.

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: BB links
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 16:18:01 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I've been cleaning up my browser and cam across some links that I thought
might be of interest to the group.

http://www.aafla.org/search/search.htm Allows you to search through and view
articles from BaseBall Magazine (1914-16)
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/ammem/bbhtml/bbhome.html BB Card Images from the
Library of Congress
http://www.baseball-reference.com/ BB reference site
http://www.baseballimmortals.net/statistics_menu.shtml Another BB
reference/statistical site
http://www.caramel-cards.com/index.html great site on Caramel Cards
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/all_time_stats/index.html
another stats site from CNN/SI
http://www.exploratorium.edu/baseball/ The science of Baseball
http://goudey.home.netcom.com/Goudey/Goudey_Gum.html Interesting page on the
Goudey Gum company
http://www.npb-bis.com/ Japanese BB Stats
http://www.baseball1.com/ the baaseball archive
http://www.t206museum.com Great site for T206's
http://www.network54.com/Hide/Forum/153652 sometimes interesting forum on
Vintage (pre WWI) bb cards, other times it's just a bunch of dealers
complaining about the grade they got from PSA or SCG

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 14:46:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat) ball-playing equivalents.

Al Cummings - Midre Cummings (major and minor leaguer 90s-present)
Michael Rich - Rich Michaels (played for the old AFL Houston Texans)
Sassy Schoenrock - Jumbo Schoeneck (close enough for jazz!)
Sean McGowan - Sean McGowan (Sean reminds me that Sean hasn't made a big-league roster, but we're
open-minded people)
Josh Levine - Al Levine
Brock Hattox - Harvey Haddix
Tom Houley - Tom House, Tim Hosley (so close!)
Brian Dwyer - Jim Dwyer
Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90
John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969
Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15
Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985
George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905
Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912
Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93
Andy Baran - Andy Etchebarren
Bob Farrell - Bob O'Farrell
Bob Reed - Bob Reed
Bob Wells - Bob Wells
Spike Glidden - Dan Gladden

and of course

Frank Thomas - Frank Thomas

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 17:59:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: Matthew 
From: Mark S Talbot 
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT


Well let's see here fellas (and gals),

    There was Bob Talbot who was and outfielder in the
50's and Fred Talbot a pitcher in the 60's and Talbot M. Smith an owner
of the Astros in the 80's.  That's as close as I get to a name equivalent
MLB player.  Interesting subject!!!  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Matthew wrote:

 Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat)
ball-playing equivalents.

Al Cummings - Midre Cummings (major and minor leaguer 90s-present)

Michael Rich - Rich Michaels (played for the old AFL Houston Texans)

Sassy Schoenrock - Jumbo Schoeneck (close enough for jazz!)

Sean McGowan - Sean McGowan (Sean reminds me that Sean hasn't made
a big-league roster, but we're

open-minded people)

Josh Levine - Al Levine

Brock Hattox - Harvey Haddix

Tom Houley - Tom House, Tim Hosley (so close!)

Brian Dwyer - Jim Dwyer

Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90

John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969

Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15

Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985

George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905

Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912

Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93

Andy Baran - Andy Etchebarren

Bob Farrell - Bob O'Farrell

Bob Reed - Bob Reed

Bob Wells - Bob Wells

Spike Glidden - Dan Gladden

and of course

Frank Thomas - Frank Thomas

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 19:37:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: Matthew , obc ramblings 
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net

Not many Meads in the major league baseball archive. But here is the short

Johnny Meador stayed around for a tuna fish sandwich with the 1920 Pirates
totaling a whopping six at bats.

Charlie Mead went 64 for 261 over three years for the depleted wartime NY
Giants, and finally

David Meads posted a hefty 8-4 won-lost record for the 87/88 Astros.

Pretty me(a)diocre namesakes--and I can only dream of ever being that good.

Peter Mead
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" 
To: "obc ramblings" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:46 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation

> Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat) ball-playing equivalents.
> Al Cummings - Midre Cummings (major and minor leaguer 90s-present)
> Michael Rich - Rich Michaels (played for the old AFL Houston Texans)
> Sassy Schoenrock - Jumbo Schoeneck (close enough for jazz!)
> Sean McGowan - Sean McGowan (Sean reminds me that Sean hasn't made a
big-league roster, but we're
> open-minded people)
> Josh Levine - Al Levine
> Brock Hattox - Harvey Haddix
> Tom Houley - Tom House, Tim Hosley (so close!)
> Brian Dwyer - Jim Dwyer
> Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90
> John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969
> Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15
> Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985
> George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905
> Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912
> Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93
> Andy Baran - Andy Etchebarren
> Bob Farrell - Bob O'Farrell
> Bob Reed - Bob Reed
> Bob Wells - Bob Wells
> Spike Glidden - Dan Gladden
> and of course
> Frank Thomas - Frank Thomas
> --
> Spike
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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:55:51 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bad Seller on EBAY!!..Beware!!
From: "kevin71058 " 

Hi all,

For the first time since trading on EBAY I got ripped off.

Here is the information on the cards I should of received and the
person's address and email.

If anyone can let me know what my options are I would be thankful.

Ebay as well wrote me off as this member's account has been
terminated and they can do nothing for me.

Here is the info..so beware!!

James Azar
54800 W 8 Mile Rd.
Northville, MI 48167, United States
(248) 349 - 3553
Order Information

Item name: Group of 55 1957 Topps Baseball cards
Item #: 1980744710
Item Price: $76.00
Quantity: 1
Subtotal: $81.00 (includes shipping and other fees)
Checkout Date: Dec-17-02 14:19:30PST
Seller User ID: cardking4321
Seller E-mail: dynamiclawn@aol.com
Buyer User ID: kevinm38@aol.com
Buyer E-mail: kevinm38@aol.com
Ship-to Zip Code*: 11720

So if you see this email address and or name do not bid on his lots!!

=================

To: KEVINM38@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Seller on EBAY!!..Beware!!
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 01:35:33 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" 

This might be a little extreme, but a guy I know has called local sheriffs
and asked them to stop by the home of a seller like this one.  Usually, he
tells me, they are happy to do it and it works like a charm.  Scare the s***
out of him, anyway :)

Jeff Sackmann
http://www.jeffsackmann.com

From: "kevin71058 " 
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Seller on EBAY!!..Beware!!
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 00:55:51 -0000

Hi all,

For the first time since trading on EBAY I got ripped off.

Here is the information on the cards I should of received and the
person's address and email.

If anyone can let me know what my options are I would be thankful.

Ebay as well wrote me off as this member's account has been
terminated and they can do nothing for me.

Here is the info..so beware!!

James Azar
54800 W 8 Mile Rd.
Northville, MI 48167, United States
(248) 349 - 3553
Order Information

Item name: Group of 55 1957 Topps Baseball cards
Item #: 1980744710
Item Price: $76.00
Quantity: 1
Subtotal: $81.00 (includes shipping and other fees)
Checkout Date: Dec-17-02 14:19:30PST
Seller User ID: cardking4321
Seller E-mail: dynamiclawn@aol.com
Buyer User ID: kevinm38@aol.com
Buyer E-mail: kevinm38@aol.com
Ship-to Zip Code*: 11720

So if you see this email address and or name do not bid on his lots!!

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Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:46:49 EST
Subject: OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

Doug Smith, Boston 1912, pitched in 1 game, 3 innings in relief, gave up 1
run, 4 hits, struck out 1, no at bats, no putouts or assists, was not the
pitcher of record.  No card.  Almost a Moonlight Graham, but he got his 3
innings of fame.  - Doug

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:53:20 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

In a message dated 1/29/03 7:48:15 PM Central Standard Time,
Traderdoug@aol.com writes:

> Doug Smith, Boston 1912, pitched in 1 game, 3 innings in relief, gave up 1
> run, 4 hits, struck out 1, no at bats, no putouts or assists, was not the
> pitcher of record.  No card.  Almost a Moonlight Graham, but he got his 3
> innings of fame.  - Doug

doug: dont sell yourself short.  doesn't a pitcher get an assist on a

=================

Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 02:36:31 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Bad Seller on EBAY!!..Beware!!
From: "rayluurs " 

> I just had this happen to me last month,  unfortunately for my my
computer crashed and by the time they got it working correctly  I had
laost all information.

But what i was told to was go to the postoffice, and get information
on who to contact.  The post office can go after this person for mail

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:39:36 -0600
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
From: Gary Pearce 

At 04:46 PM 1/29/03, Matthew wrote;
>Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat) ball-playing equivalents.

Decisions decisions decisions......

If I were to take Jim Pearce, that would put me into definite OBC
territory.  I've already got his rookie card (1955 Topps) on my wall.

I'll probably have cards of Josh Pearce (he made his debut 4/20/02) by the
end of the year, if I don't already from 2003 Topps.

I think instead I'll opt for REALLY old baseball and go with Dickey Pearce,
inventor of the bunt hit and reportedly also the inventor of the modern
shortstop position.  The St. Louis Times, June 30, 1868, applauded Pearce,
summarizing his contributions : "Pearce has been noted as a superior
shortstop for ten years and to-day has no equal in the base ball field. He
bats with great judgment and safety..."  His professional playing career
spanned 1856-1877, and I'll gladly accept any cards of his any of you may
have lying around.  Condition doesn't matter.  :-)

=================

To: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 20:48:14 -0600
From: "Tim Newcomb" 

Well, here's my MLB name story.

In 1959 my parents had thought to name me Don Timberman Newcomb after my
grandfather, whose full name was Don Timberman.  Then I would have been "Don
Newcomb."   But alas, the times were not enlightened enough, and I think
someone must have been nervous about my having the same name as a black

So instead I became John Timberman Newcomb and throughout my teenage years
in the 1970s had to listen to dumb jokes about my tennis abilities.  That
hasn't happened in ages, which suggests that old baseball players get
remembered a lot better than old tennis players.  The irony is that I would
have been proud to be associated with Newk.

Tim Newcomb

=================

Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:39:10 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

As far as names like mine go, there were two Sweeneys that played pre-war
days, if you want a list of their cards here is the link!  ;-)

http://members.aol.com/sweendoger/vintage.htm

Pat Sweeney

In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:02:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
talbot1@comcast.net writes:

> Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
>  Date: 1/29/2003 3:02:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: talbot1@comcast.net
>  To: obc_spike@yahoo.com
>  CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>  File: Macintosh%20HDTemporary%20Itemsnsmail2.zip (19623 bytes) DL Time
> (TCP/IP): <1 minute
>  Sent from the Internet
> Well let's see here fellas (and gals),    There was Bob Talbot who was and
> outfielder in the 50's and Fred Talbot a pitcher in the 60's and Talbot M.
> Smith an owner of the Astros in the 80's.  That's as close as I get to a
> name equivalent MLB player.  Interesting subject!!!  BE WELL!!!
> REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
> "Live long and prosper" - Spock
>  *********************************
>  *    Mark S. Talbot             *
>  *    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
>  *    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
>  *                  48312-4604   *
>  *    talbot1@comcast.net        *
>  *********************************
> *****************************************************
> Matthew wrote:
> >>  Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat) ball-playing equivalents.
>> Al Cummings - Midre Cummings (major and minor leaguer 90s-present)
>> Michael Rich - Rich Michaels (played for the old AFL Houston Texans)
>> Sassy Schoenrock - Jumbo Schoeneck (close enough for jazz!)
>> Sean McGowan - Sean McGowan (Sean reminds me that Sean hasn't made a
>> big-league roster, but we're
>> open-minded people)
>> Josh Levine - Al Levine
>> Brock Hattox - Harvey Haddix
>> Tom Houley - Tom House, Tim Hosley (so close!)
>> Brian Dwyer - Jim Dwyer
>> Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90
>> John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969
>> Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15
>> Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985
>> George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905
>> Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912
>> Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93
>> Andy Baran - Andy Etchebarren
>> Bob Farrell - Bob O'Farrell
>> Bob Reed - Bob Reed
>> Bob Wells - Bob Wells
>> Spike Glidden - Dan Gladden
>> and of course
>> Frank Thomas - Frank Thomas
>> --
>> Spike
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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 04:29:49 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" 

After fruitless hunting on baseball-reference.com, I've come up with nothing
for Jeff Sackmann.  However, my mother's maiden name is Agee, and my dad's
name is Tom ... so by this method, I am related to a Tommie Agee.  Not bad,
I'd say!

Jeff Sackmann
http://www.jeffsackmann.com

From: Sweendoger@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 22:39:10 EST

As far as names like mine go, there were two Sweeneys that played pre-war
days, if you want a list of their cards here is the link!  ;-)

HREF="http://members.aol.com/sweendoger/vintage.htm">http://members.aol.com/sweendoger/vintage.htm

Pat Sweeney

In a message dated 1/29/2003 3:02:31 PM Pacific Standard Time,
talbot1@comcast.net writes:

> Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - baseball player name compilation
>  Date: 1/29/2003 3:02:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: talbot1@comcast.net
>  To: obc_spike@yahoo.com
>  CC:   File: Macintosh%20HDTemporary%20Itemsnsmail2.zip (19623 bytes) DL Time
> (TCP/IP): <1 minute
>  Sent from the Internet
> Well let's see here fellas (and gals),    There was Bob Talbot who was
> outfielder in the 50's and Fred Talbot a pitcher in the 60's and Talbot
> Smith an owner of the Astros in the 80's.  That's as close as I get to a
> name equivalent MLB player.  Interesting subject!!!  BE WELL!!!
> REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
> "Live long and prosper" - Spock
>  *********************************
>  *    Mark S. Talbot             *
>  *    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
>  *    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
>  *                  48312-4604   *
>  *    talbot1@comcast.net        *
>  *********************************
> *****************************************************
> Matthew wrote:
> >>  Quick summary of OBCers and their (somewhat) ball-playing
>> Al Cummings - Midre Cummings (major and minor leaguer 90s-present)
>> Michael Rich - Rich Michaels (played for the old AFL Houston Texans)
>> Sassy Schoenrock - Jumbo Schoeneck (close enough for jazz!)
>> Sean McGowan - Sean McGowan (Sean reminds me that Sean hasn't made a
>> big-league roster, but we're
>> open-minded people)
>> Josh Levine - Al Levine
>> Brock Hattox - Harvey Haddix
>> Tom Houley - Tom House, Tim Hosley (so close!)
>> Brian Dwyer - Jim Dwyer
>> Steve Carter - Steve Carter Pit 1989-90
>> John Harrell - John Harrell SF 1969
>> Rick Keating - Chick Keating Cubs 1913-15
>> Robert Moore - Bobby Moore SFG 1985
>> George Moore - George Moore Pit 1905
>> Doug Smith - Doug Smith Bos 1912
>> Tom Williams - Tom Williams Cle 1892-93
>> Andy Baran - Andy Etchebarren
>> Bob Farrell - Bob O'Farrell
>> Bob Reed - Bob Reed
>> Bob Wells - Bob Wells
>> Spike Glidden - Dan Gladden
>> and of course
>> Frank Thomas - Frank Thomas
>> --
>> Spike
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To: 
Subject: Javier/Name Game
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 06:58:32 -0800
From: "Diamanti" 

And let us not forget Julian Javier, who played with Stan the Man on the Cardinals,
and named his son Stan Javier. Stan retired this past year, but not
before I and Dave Fallen saw him make an unbelievable circus catch at theright
field wall for the final out. (He leaped, reached over the top of the
wall, and flipped the ball to himself as he was falling down, then caughtit
as he lay on the ground....) A fabulous name-sake who very much lived up
to his name with his abilities........

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:47:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Photos from Warwick, RI show
From: "obc_spike " 

Hey guys,

I just added several OBC pictures from the Warwick, RI show last
Saturday. Check the "OBC members" photo section of the OBC-Ramblings
group. Note that these pictures are digital pictures of the original
film pictures, so look grainy. I'll update them to scans shortly.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Names
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 11:35:02 -0700
From: "Todd Knowles" 

I guess I'll have to go with Darold Knowles, or my backup Dickie

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1950's size variations
Date: 30 Jan 2003 13:21:01 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Has anyone else noticed very slight size variations on 1955 and
1956 Topps cards?  I was looking over a couple of new cards that
I got in, trying to properly grade them, and I have noticed that
some '55 and '56 Topps cards measure very slightly short of the
horizontal standard of 3 and 3/4 inches.  I'm talking about less
than a sixteenth of an inch in any case, but it is slightly noticeable.
I don't believe that any of the cards I was looking at had been
trimmed, because they all exhibited pretty consistent wear patterns
and didn't have suspiciously sharp corners on one side or anything
like that.

Also, on another '55 Topps card that I have recently obtained
(Clemente) I noticed that the paper stock is somewhat thinner
than is normally found on other cards from '55 and '56.  I have
no doubts to it's authenticty, it is clearly not a reprint, but
just thought that was kind of interesting.

Anybody have any stories or light to shed on these phenomenons?
I would love to hear.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:30:54 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1950's size variations
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mma3026559@aol.com

The size variations you refer to are quite common, even up into the 70's
& are typically encountered when an 'original' collection is reintroduced to
the hobby. Certain sets, like '55 Bowman, have exaggerated size variances,
which potential collectors should consider before chasing down "nice looking"
ones.. During the mid 60's another phenomena present on Topps cards is having
one edge being handcut, but the card clearly being oversized. These are most
frequently encountered from "wax pack' collections, as opposed to vending
case cards.

For collectors that just like the card, rather than 'slab-collectors' ,
these cards are great. If you are buying them for resale / investment, they
may be difficult to get 'slabbed' (I don't collect SLABBED cards either) as
most of the graders allow very little tolerance for size variances. They most
likely will be classified as trimmed cards, even though they are not
necessarily trimmed.

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To: 
Subject: The Guru Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:04:42 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

Three years ago I was approached by Universal Pictures who were interested in
my life story. A middle-aged man from Florida finds happiness, fame, andfortune
through his love of  beat up baseball cards. But difficulties withthe
director and the screenwriters became insurmountable, and I terminatedthe

Release Date Jan 31, 2003

(limited release)

"The Guru"

A young man from India (Jimi Mistry) comes to America in search of fame andfortune,
but upon settling in New York, he finds that his goal isn't as easily
attainable as he had expected. Almost by accident, he becomes a guru who
teaches spiritual enlightenment through sex. Heather Graham and Marisa Tomei
portray the two women involved in the guru's life, with Graham playinghis
love interest and Tomei as a woman who aids his rise to fame.

Starring Heather Graham, Marisa Tomei, Jimi Mistry, Christine Baranski, Michael
McKean, Dash Mihok
Director(s) Daisy Mayer
Screenwriter(s) Tracey Jackson
Studio Universal Pictures
Production Company Working Title Films

MPAA Rating R - for strong sexual content including dialogue, and for language
Genre Comedy, Erotic
Country U.S.Media Type Color
Alternate Title(s) The Guru of Sex
Web Sites www.thegurumovie.com

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Back to the daily grind.
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 17:18:10 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

Hi all,

Thought I'd share some good news with everybody.  I finally found a job
after almost 6 months.  It’s a good thing too because 2 more weeks and I
would have exhausted my unemployment benefits.  It’s a Visual Basic
programming position in Newington, CT for a company called Data-Mail.  They
do bulk mailing for major companies like AMEX and Citibank.  Since they send
out about 3 million pieces a day there’s a very good chance you’ve received
something from them.

The best news is now that I’m working I’ll be able to go to the National.
The plan right now is to go down by myself on Thursday morning, attend the
show Thursday, met up with the wife and kids on Friday for a mini family
vacation and attend the show again either Saturday or Sunday.

As many of you know I took my last week of joblessness to send out packages
to quite a few OBCers.  My goal was to get to 100 and so far I’ve sent 72
packages.  Now it’s a matter of finding the time to send out more.  I still
have the W to Z’s to do and then go back through and get the ones I missed.
Unfortunately I won’t be able to hit some of you because you have impossible
lists or haven’t updated it in over 6 months.  So update those lists and add
more sets and I’ll see what I can do.

-Bob R.

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To: , "larry.tipton" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:19:42 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

This opens up an interesting topic -- movies and baseball cards.  With no disrespect
to Larry's film idea (I think they should make it!) there have been
several legitimate hollywood productions that use baseball cards at least
as props.  Just for fun, here are a few that I could think of, let me know
if anybody can think of any more:

"Mask"  - (no not the Jim Carrey one...) Mid- 1980's film about a kid with a
rare disease which has left him with a disfigured face.  Cher plays the mom,
I think she won an oscar for the role.   Anyway, the kid's name is Rocky
Dennis, and the movie features his collection of 1955 Brooklyn Dodger cards.
He already has the Topps Jackie Robinson, and is on a quest for #108, Rube
Walker, which he eventually gets in a trade from one of his friends for
what appears to be a 1980 Steve Garvey.    Cher gets mad at him and actually
rips one of the Garvey cards in half in one scene.  In another scene, Grandpa
brings Rocky a '55 Bowman Pee Wee Reese for the Brooklyn collection.I
think Rocky would have fit in well with OBC -- he carried cards around in
his shirt pocket to trade and it appears that Grandpa actually put a thumb
tack through the Reese card when he put it up on Rocky's bulliten board.Rocky
also tutored one kid at school in exchange for a Roy Campanella card.

"Needful Things" -- Stephen King flick, based on his novel which was way better.
A kid is sold a '56 Mickey Mantle (in the book it is a '56 Koufax...)
from a strange character in an antique shop, which he drools over.  The seller
of course, eventually turns out to be Satan.  Typical horror film.

"Rainman" -- If you notice carefully, Dustin Hoffman has a collection of  '50s
Cincinnatti Reds cards in one of the early scenes in the movie.  I remember
seeing a '53 Ed Bailey, and a '59 Frank Robinson.  Tom Cruise's girlfriend
in the movie shuffles through them quickly and Rainman gets all nervous.

Any other "card" movies that anyone can think of?

----- Original Message -----
From: larry.tipton
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie

Three years ago I was approached by Universal Pictures who were interested
in my life story. A middle-aged man from Florida finds happiness, fame, and
fortune through his love of  beat up baseball cards. But difficulties with
the director and the screenwriters became insurmountable, and I terminated
the project.

Release Date Jan 31, 2003

(limited release)

"The Guru"

A young man from India (Jimi Mistry) comes to America in search of fame and
fortune, but upon settling in New York, he finds that his goal isn't as easily
attainable as he had expected. Almost by accident, he becomes a guruwho
teaches spiritual enlightenment through sex. Heather Graham and MarisaTomei
portray the two women involved in the guru's life, with Graham playing
his love interest and Tomei as a woman who aids his rise to fame.

Starring Heather Graham, Marisa Tomei, Jimi Mistry, Christine Baranski, Michael
McKean, Dash Mihok
Director(s) Daisy Mayer
Screenwriter(s) Tracey Jackson
Studio Universal Pictures
Production Company Working Title Films

MPAA Rating R - for strong sexual content including dialogue, and for language
Genre Comedy, Erotic
Country U.S.Media Type Color
Alternate Title(s) The Guru of Sex
Web Sites www.thegurumovie.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 16:31:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: More OBC names-Major League Managers
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Terry Dietrick 

I checked and found a few names of OBC'ers that have
same last names of baseball managers from mostly, days
gone by. Check it out and add more if you have them.

Dan Austin-Jimmy Austin-Mgr.(1913,1918,1923)St. Louis
John Collins-Jimmy Collins-Mgr.(1901-1905)Boston
Andy Cook-Dusty Cooke-Mgr.(1948)Phil.
Joe Duffy-Hugh
Brian Dwyer-Frank Dwyer-Mgr.(1902-Det.)
Bob Farrell-Kerby Farrell-Mgr.(1957-Clev.)
Brad Fox-Charlie Fox-Mgr.(1970-1974-SF,1976-Mont.)
Randy Griffin-Sandy Griffin-Mgr.(1891-Wash.)
-Mike Griffin-Mgr.(1898-Brooklyn)
Greg Miller-George Miller-Mgr.(1894-St. Louis)
Lynn Miller-George Miller-same as above
George Moore-Terry Moore-Mgr.(1954-Phil.)
Robert Moore-same as above
Jimmy Parker-Salty Parker(Francis
Ed Pike-Lip Pike(Lipman)-Mgr.(1877-Cinn.)
Richard Robinson-Frank Robinson
Doug Smith-Harry Smith-Mgr.(1909-Bos.)
-Heinie Smith-Mgr.(1902-NYG)
Geno Wagner-Heinie Wagner(Charles)-Mgr.(1930-Bos.)
Honus Wagner(John
Tom Williams-Dick
Kevin Wolf-Chicken Wolf(William Van
Terry Woods-George Wood-Mgr.(1891-Phil.)

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:39:14 -0500
To: abjcollins12@triad.rr.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I think it's "Blast from the Past" with Brendan Frasier that features some old cards.  Frasier emerges from his bomb shelter, where he has been since the late 50s or early 60s, to the streets of LA in the 1990s.  He bounces around town and I believe in his quest for money or a friend, he offers a woman in a shop his box of baseball cards for a ride I think it is.  Old Goudeys, T206s.  One card is agreed upon as the price for the ride, but I can't remember which one.

Also, today as I flipped through my Spanish textbook in class, I saw that on one of the pages, a 68 Topps Bob Clemente was alongside kids playing street ball in a Spanish-speaking country.  It was a neat surprise.

"Blast From The Past" is the only movie I can remember.  It's always on when I am at my grandparents house, so I have nevr forgotten the baseball card scenes.  I saw a bit of "Mask" while flipping through the channels a while back and happened to catch his card collection.

Good stuff.

=================

Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:44:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

I remember a made-for-TV movie where Rhea Perlman (playing a lawyer) represented a kid's interests
in exchange for his Willie Stargell rookie card. I'd really have to work through IMDB.com to track
that the title down, though.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 18:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Photos
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

Some people asked about the photos from the Warwick show. They're posted in the photo section of
the OBC Ramblings Yahoo group (thus, you need a Yahoo login to access them):

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/lst

Pick the "OBC members" folder, then the "Warwick" folder to see your fellow OBCers. Since I'm on a
dial-up connection, it's not practical to email them to people individually. I am looking into
alternate posting sites, for people who don't want to sign up for Yahoo. I'll let you know

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 19:28:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Photos
To: Matthew ,
From: Bob Farrell 

Nice job on the photos.  Looking at all those mugs,
its a wonder your camera still works. -:)

--- Matthew  wrote:
> Some people asked about the photos from the Warwick
> show. They're posted in the photo section of
> the OBC Ramblings Yahoo group (thus, you need a
> Yahoo login to access them):
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/lst
> Pick the "OBC members" folder, then the "Warwick"
> folder to see your fellow OBCers. Since I'm on a
> dial-up connection, it's not practical to email them
> to people individually. I am looking into
> alternate posting sites, for people who don't want
> to sign up for Yahoo. I'll let you know
> shortly.
> Spike
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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:55:56 -0600
From: "wierzbickim" 

Hi, Gang!

Baseball cards show up in several movies I can think of.

Running on Empty is a drama about a family in hiding from the FBI because of
the parents' involvement with 1960s antiwar protests that led to the bombing
of a building.  The two sons are very bright and must deal with their odd
life.  In one scene, the younger son talks about how stupid a classmate is,
because he will trade away older stars for current stars.

In the comedy Blast From the Past, Brendan Fraser plays a young man who haslived
in a bomb shelter with his parents since about 1960.  When he comes out,
he uses the baseball cards he had when he entered the bomb shelter to obtain

In For the Love of the Game and The Natural, about fictitious baseball players,
there are brief scenes that depict their baseball cards.

Any other movies with baseball cards?

Mike W
----- Original Message -----
From: John Collins
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; larry.tipton
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie

This opens up an interesting topic -- movies and baseball cards.  With nodisrespect
to Larry's film idea (I think they should make it!) there have been
several legitimate hollywood productions that use baseball cards at least
as props.  Just for fun, here are a few that I could think of, let me know
if anybody can think of any more:

"Mask"  - (no not the Jim Carrey one...) Mid- 1980's film about a kid with
a rare disease which has left him with a disfigured face.  Cher plays themom,
I think she won an oscar for the role.   Anyway, the kid's name is Rocky
Dennis, and the movie features his collection of 1955 Brooklyn Dodger cards.
He already has the Topps Jackie Robinson, and is on a quest for #108,
Rube Walker, which he eventually gets in a trade from one of his friends for
what appears to be a 1980 Steve Garvey.    Cher gets mad at him and actually
rips one of the Garvey cards in half in one scene.  In another scene,Grandpa
brings Rocky a '55 Bowman Pee Wee Reese for the Brooklyn collection.
I think Rocky would have fit in well with OBC -- he carried cards around
in his shirt pocket to trade and it appears that Grandpa actually put a thumb
tack through the Reese card when he put it up on Rocky's bulliten board.
Rocky also tutored one kid at school in exchange for a Roy Campanella card.

"Needful Things" -- Stephen King flick, based on his novel which was way better.
A kid is sold a '56 Mickey Mantle (in the book it is a '56 Koufax...)
from a strange character in an antique shop, which he drools over.  The
seller of course, eventually turns out to be Satan.  Typical horror film.

"Rainman" -- If you notice carefully, Dustin Hoffman has a collection of '50s
Cincinnatti Reds cards in one of the early scenes in the movie.  I remember
seeing a '53 Ed Bailey, and a '59 Frank Robinson.  Tom Cruise's girlfriend
in the movie shuffles through them quickly and Rainman gets all nervous.

Any other "card" movies that anyone can think of?

----- Original Message -----
From: larry.tipton
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 2:04 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie

Three years ago I was approached by Universal Pictures who were interested
in my life story. A middle-aged man from Florida finds happiness, fame,and
fortune through his love of  beat up baseball cards. But difficulties with
the director and the screenwriters became insurmountable, and I terminated
the project.

Release Date Jan 31, 2003

(limited release)

"The Guru"

A young man from India (Jimi Mistry) comes to America in search of fameand
fortune, but upon settling in New York, he finds that his goal isn't as
easily attainable as he had expected. Almost by accident, he becomes a guru
who teaches spiritual enlightenment through sex. Heather Graham and Marisa
Tomei portray the two women involved in the guru's life, with Graham playing
his love interest and Tomei as a woman who aids his rise to fame.

Starring Heather Graham, Marisa Tomei, Jimi Mistry, Christine Baranski,Michael
McKean, Dash Mihok
Director(s) Daisy Mayer
Screenwriter(s) Tracey Jackson
Studio Universal Pictures
Production Company Working Title Films

MPAA Rating R - for strong sexual content including dialogue, and for language
Genre Comedy, Erotic
Country U.S.Media Type Color
Alternate Title(s) The Guru of Sex
Web Sites www.thegurumovie.com

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:39:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Updated Warick photos
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

I've updated the photos in the Yahoo groups folder (OBC Members -> Warwick) and also posted them
at another hosting site for non-Yahoo people:

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/farrell.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/mcgowan.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/morganti.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/pigeon.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/wubben.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/jim.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/sean.jpg

http://pics.paulsonator.com/users/steve_evans/jim_sean.jpg

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Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 23:47:43 EST
Subject: Re: Cards in Movies
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com

I don't know if there were actualy IN the movie, but didn't Dustin Hoffman's
character in RAINMAN recite the statistics of ballplayers that he read off
the backs of his baseball cards?
I never saw the movie, but I believe that to be the case.

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To: , 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:02:15 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

I don't think he knew specific stats, but he did repeat over and over that Ted
Kluszweski was traded for Dee Fondy !!

----- Original Message -----
From: t206guy@aol.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies

I don't know if there were actualy IN the movie, but didn't Dustin Hoffman's
character in RAINMAN recite the statistics of ballplayers that he read off
the backs of his baseball cards?
I never saw the movie, but I believe that to be the case.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:09:46 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies
To: T206Guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Years ago I had the idea to write an article for SABR about Cards in Movies.
I think Peter Iversen and I sat down one day and talked about it...many many
many movies feature cards in some way or another...off the top of my head...

Sandlot...one of my alltime favorite baseball movies. Not only is some great
older memorabilia featured including '62 Topps nailed to a wall of a
treehouse but on the kitchen table is a wonderful full box of Post Sugar
Crisps with the three cards visible.

Mask...Erik Stoltz's character collects older Dodgers. Some great old cards
are thumbtacked to his wall.

There is a great Twighlight Zone from the '80s incarnation about a mystical
ball card that transports the holder into the game.

Rainman...Dustin Hoffmans character collect cards of Reds and memorizes all
the stats.

Needful Things...'56 Mantle is sold to boy (in the book it is different,
Koufax I think).

League of Their Own has a few ball cards in it but one of the most notable
scenes is when Tom Hanks rips up a diamond star of his characters.

Blast From the Past stars Brendan Frasier in a bomb shelter...comes out and
sells grandpas and dads collection including some pricey cards to make some
money for groceries.

For the Love of the Game, Natural, Babe, Eight Men Out, and Cobb all feature
fake cards.

Of course Ken Burns movie has a bunch of cards.

I am sure I am missing some...

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To: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Guru Movie
Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 20:44:46 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" 

Then there was The Odd Couple II.  Felix and Oscar spend a lot of time together
travelling to attend the wedding of Oscar's son and Felix's daughter. Felix
goes on and on and on about the expensive wedding present he has forthem,
and Oscar (of course) has nothing -- except his mint 1952 Topps Mickey
Mantle card.
=================

Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2003 21:48:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Dutch Daulton?
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

Hey all,

Could I get a reminder on the Daulton collector?

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:17:37 EST
Subject: AIM & Ebay names?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com

Hi all,
Does anyone have a text list of everyone's ebay and/or AOL IM names handy? I
know Sassy sent out something - but I'm in digest mode & it didn't come
across. I know I could do it the hard way & make lists by using the directory
but if anyone has a list handy that could be inserted into the Ramblings
email, I think it would benefit everybody.
I must admit I'm typing this w/out checking on the website - so if it's there
someplace & I was too lazy to look, please forgive me.

Tom Housley
AOL IM: directorth
Ebay user name: directorth@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 03:46:46 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kevin/Spike/Summers/Raiders
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Cards in Movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:41:06 +0000
From: Glenn Codere 

Not a movie, but....

There was an episode of Star Trek-The Next Generation titled "The Most Toys". It concerned an obsessive interstallar collector of valuable and exotic items. He kidnaps the android Commander Data to add him to his collection. In a scene on his ship, they stroll by a glass case containing a '53T Mantle.

I often wondered why they didn't use a '52T...

Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:24:36 EST
Subject: Looks like I'm stuck with Hatcher!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Looked through the encyclopedia and couldn't find any Hatch's, so Mickey or
Billy would be the next closest names.  Apologize if someone has already
annointed them on my behalf...I haven't been keeping up my reading very well
this week :-)

Happy Collecting!

=================

To: Wite3@aol.com, T206Guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:53:07 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

I know it's TV and not the movies but I believe there was an episode of
C.S.I that featured a baseball card as one of the clues.  They didn't
specificly mentioned the card but they did show it and it appeared to be a
1974 Tom Seaver.

Did anybody else see that episode?
-Bob R.

>From: Wite3@aol.com
>To: T206Guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:09:46 EST
>Years ago I had the idea to write an article for SABR about Cards in
>I think Peter Iversen and I sat down one day and talked about it...many
>many movies feature cards in some way or another...off the top of my
>Sandlot...one of my alltime favorite baseball movies. Not only is some
>older memorabilia featured including '62 Topps nailed to a wall of a
>treehouse but on the kitchen table is a wonderful full box of Post Sugar
>Crisps with the three cards visible.
>Mask...Erik Stoltz's character collects older Dodgers. Some great old cards
>are thumbtacked to his wall.
>There is a great Twighlight Zone from the '80s incarnation about a mystical
>ball card that transports the holder into the game.
>Rainman...Dustin Hoffmans character collect cards of Reds and memorizes all
>the stats.
>Needful Things...'56 Mantle is sold to boy (in the book it is different,
>Koufax I think).
>League of Their Own has a few ball cards in it but one of the most notable
>scenes is when Tom Hanks rips up a diamond star of his characters.
>Blast From the Past stars Brendan Frasier in a bomb shelter...comes out and
>sells grandpas and dads collection including some pricey cards to make some
>money for groceries.
>For the Love of the Game, Natural, Babe, Eight Men Out, and Cobb all
>fake cards.
>Of course Ken Burns movie has a bunch of cards.
>I am sure I am missing some...

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To: 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards in Movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:12:31 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

There was a show call "The Wonder Years" 5-10 years ago about a young boy in
the 60's.  I remember a scene where he had a stack of 68 Topps BB Cards.
Yaz was on top (of course!).

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:47:39 -0600
To: 0ramblings 
Subject: Cards in movies
From: Rick & Deb 

OBC Friends...in the Chevy Chase movie "Modern Problems", the bedroom of
the character Dorita has lots of baseball cards on the wall...including
a 1964 Topps Giant of Johnny Callison.

Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas (Ph03)

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Baseball Cards in Movies
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 10:05:28 -0800
From: scarter@multek.com

My personal favorite is from "Stand By Me".  In the opening scene, in the
older brother's bedroom is a 1960 Yogi Berra card tacked to the wall.  I
believe that, seconds before this shot, the movie has some text which says
the time is the "Summer of 1959".

Steve Carter
OBC since 1996

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: How a deer took my '55 Clemente card.
Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:38:48 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

My 1955 set is down to just 7 cards with the toughest being the Clemente
rookie.  I figure an OBC style card on eBay would be in the neighborhood of
Now here’s where the deer comes in.  I was driving home last night after
playing volleyball about quarter to ten when I saw some movement to my left.
Before I knew it there’s a deer running into the side of my car.  After
coming to my senses I turned the car around to see if the deer was all
right.  She was standing in the road shaken up and dazed before running off
into the woods.  I then saw 3 more female deer follow her.  Since it was
past feeding time I can only assume the 4 deer were going to the bathroom
because everybody knows females have to go to the bathroom in groups :-)
I survived OK but the car sustained $1800 of damage to the driver door and
front fender.  My deductible is $200, which is the same amount I could have
paid to get the Clemente!

Dumb deer!
-Bob R.

p.s.  For those still playing the name game Deer is Reed backwards and Bob
backwards is still Bob.  So not only do I have former Tiger pitcher Bob Reed
but I almost have my backwards name with Rob Deer.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 13:44:32 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How a deer took my '55 Clemente card.
To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

that's why they have deerhunters!

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To: scarter@multek.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Cards in Movies
Date: 31 Jan 2003 11:32:05 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

You are correct.  In the scene in Denny's room in "Stand By Me,"
there is a '60 Berra and a '58 Mantle All-Star tacked to the

The movie was set in 1959, but the book was set in 1960.  Small
difference, but they should have saved the Berra for the book

>--- Original Message ---
>From: scarter@multek.com
>To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Date: 1/31/03 5:05:28 AM

>My personal favorite is from "Stand By Me".  In the opening
scene, in the
>older brother's bedroom is a 1960 Yogi Berra card tacked to
the wall.  I
>believe that, seconds before this shot, the movie has some text
which says
>the time is the "Summer of 1959". 
>Steve Carter
>OBC since 1996
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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 11:50:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 6 card 1952 semi-hi (+ 1 high) lot on eBay
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2704388212&category=642

I only need the high number and one other, so the price is too steep for me. SOMEONE will need
more, though.

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 16:32:13 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Cards in Movies
From: malsman250@cs.com

Actually, there are several Star Trek episodes with baseball card elements.
- In "Next Generation," episode "The Most Toys," Data becomes part of a "museum" of artifacts, one of them is a 1962 Maris (I said 1961 before - I was close.....)
- The Deep Space 9 episode "In the Cards" is about a character trying to acquire a Willie Mays card, and
- Another DS9 episode has Ben Sisko with a card of "Buck Bokai," greatest bb star of the 22nd century.

And no, I didn't know these without looking them up. I may be a geek, but I'm not THAT big a geek......

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:36:34 EST
Subject: Baseball Cards in Movies
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

I saw one this weekend called Angels in Left field  where Burt reynolds plays
a bum who the kids clean up to become their baseball coach.  Two of the kids
are into baseball cards and are constantly looking at them but never pick up
until the end that their coach was a baseball player....the cool thing
reynolds cards was a 1967 topps card

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Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 20:57:30 EST
Subject: a question about authenticity of ebay product
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

Could someone confirm that these are reprint cards  or the real deal.  I am
sure because of price and what appears to writing on cards that these are
reprints but i dont see where it says it in description

eBay item 2704122059 (Ends Feb-05-03 08:57:44 PST ) - 18 Mickey Mantle Cards
Topps Finest 1951-1969

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 02:51:09 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Suzanne Freegard-Schoenrock " 

Alcattle	Al Cummings		stepsitter   Jeff Sinclair
AMCOOK93	Andy Cook		swampy3	     Bill Malson
bubble-head	Lynn Miller		T206Guy	     Mark Atnip
Catfish.obc	Jimmy Parker		talbot1	     Mark Talbot
cokerobc	Jerry Coker		tampabob     Bob D' Angelo
COMMONCARD	Robert Pigeon		timn1	     Tim Newcomb
coop951	        James Cooper		tiptonmint   Rick Redpath
daves-obc	David Skoglund		tknowles     Todd Knowles
DCCBL	        Dick Cummings		tnbw	     Tom Williams
DJL03	        Dennis Linden		topcat657    Gary Mandell
dlfallen	Dave Fallen		Topgolf	     Mike Hair
dodgergeo	Geordie Calvert		topps56	     John Collins
ecru	        Brock Harttox		toppscards   Bob Farrell
ehpiii	        Ed Pike		        Tply         Rick Ellison
enduroking	Rec Stahlman		trademup     Howard Morgan
Friar4 	        Bob Corvello		traderdoug   Doug Smith
gmtigr	        George Moore		vrechek	     George Vrechek
golfinggeo	George Hay		wells	     Bob Wells
grainsley	Grant Rainsley		wite3	     Josh Levine
greenwood3	Erik Greenwood		yankee-hater Andy Baran
Hawker83	Matt Shirley		yazmon	     Greg Conway
hoddier44	Randy Griffin		yukchow	     Yuk Chow
iamdanaustin	Dan Austin		obcjoe	     Joe Cerullo
ibcardmaster	Pat Sweeney		sbrock42     Sassy
illini90	Geno Wagner
jazzgirl1920s	Linda Fitak
JDelott	        Jeff Delott
jimbo	        Jim Beauchemin
jmoleta	        James Moleta
jrhatchjr	Jim Hatch
JWsCards	Jim Wiehe
Keewatin	Lorin Anderson
KeithSummers	Keith Summers
ken_m	        Ken Morganti
KLSDAD	        Chuck Paris
marswest52	Marshall West
mazhof	        John Harrell
metsbwd	        Brett Domue
Mikesportsfan	Mike Rich
mikew2	        Mike Wierzbicki
mma3026559	Mark MaCrae
nthomas	        Neal Thomas
obc-boreed	Bob Reed
obc-carterfan	Carlos Alcazar
obcdpurd	David Purdam
obc-guru	Larry Tipton
obcjoe	        Joe Cerullo
obcmac	        Mac Wubben
obcobd	        Bob Donaldson
obcpeter	Peter Iversen
obcron	        Ron Perry
obc-spike	Matthew Glidden
pb1940	        Wayne Delia
psa1	        Jeff Sackmann
rayluurs	Ray Luurs
rbhankins	Richard Hankins
rdn56	        Bob Neill
rschaubjr	Bob Schaub
Saltire	        Glenn Codere
spmcgowan	Sean McGowan
srittenberg	Steve Rittenberg

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Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 03:08:46 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Suzanne Freegard-Schoenrock " 

Alcattle        Al Cummings
stepsitter      Jeff Sinclair
AMCOOK93        Andy Cook
swampy3	        Bill Malson
bubble-head     Lynn Miller
T206Guy         Mark Atnip
Catfish.obc     Jimmy Parker
talbot1         Mark Talbot
cokerobc        Jerry Coker
tampabob        Bob D' Angelo
COMMONCARD      Robert Pigeon
timn1           Tim Newcomb
coop951         James Cooper
tiptonmint      Rick Redpath
daves-obc       David Skoglund
tknowles        Todd Knowles
DCCBL           Dick Cummings
tnbw            Tom Williams
DJL03           Dennis Linden
topcat657       Gary Mandell
dlfallen        Dave Fallen
Topgolf         Mike Hair
dodgergeo       Geordie Calvert
topps56         John Collins
ecru            Brock Harttox
toppscards      Bob Farrell
ehpiii          Ed Pike
Tply            Rick Ellison
enduroking      Rec Stahlman
trademup        Howard Morgan
Friar4          Bob Corvello
traderdoug      Doug Smith
gmtigr          George Moore
vrechek         George Vrechek
golfinggeo      George Hay
wells           Bob Wells
grainsley       Grant Rainsley
wite3           Josh Levine
greenwood3      Erik Greenwood
yankee-hater    Andy Baran
Hawker83        Matt Shirley
yazmon          Greg Conway
hoddier44       Randy Griffin
yukchow         Yuk Chow
iamdanaustin    Dan Austin
obcjoe          Joe Cerullo
ibcardmaster    Pat Sweeney
illini90        Geno Wagner
jazzgirl1920s   Linda Fitak
JDelott         Jeff Delott
jimbo           Jim Beauchemin
jmoleta         James Moleta
jrhatchjr       Jim Hatch
JWsCards        Jim Wiehe
Keewatin        Lorin Anderson
KeithSummers    Keith Summers
ken_m           Ken Morganti
KLSDAD          Chuck Paris
marswest52      Marshall West
mazhof          John Harrell
metsbwd         Brett Domue
Mikesportsfan   Mike Rich
mikew2          Mike Wierzbicki
mma3026559      Mark MaCrae
nthomas         Neal Thomas
obc-boreed      Bob Reed
obc-carterfan   Carlos Alcazar
obcdpurd        David Purdam
obc-guru        Larry Tipton
obcjoe          Joe Cerullo
obcmac          Mac Wubben
obcobd          Bob Donaldson
obcpeter        Peter Iversen
obcron          Ron Perry
obc-spike       Matthew Glidden
pb1940          Wayne Delia
psa1            Jeff Sackmann
rayluurs        Ray Luurs
rbhankins       Richard Hankins
rdn56           Bob Neill
rschaubjr       Bob Schaub
Saltire         Glenn Codere
sbrock42        Sassy Schoenrock
spmcgowan       Sean McGowan
srittenberg     Steve Rittenberg

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To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@YahooGroups.com
Subject: 5 SBs/Coach/51s/ I typed in the wrong addy the 1st time
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