================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 07:39:02 EDT Subject: ted williams war worn uniform card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855368389 Check this out, a swatch from Ted Williams' Korean War uniform. ================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 09:50:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] server administrator? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com I've been handling most of the requests that directly involve the web site, but I don't get too involved in the email servers. Dan Austin, Steve Rittenberg, and Grant Rainsley have been a big help and have "covered my back" on several improvements and corrections while I've been studying for the IBM DBA Certification exam. What I'd like to do is among the four of us, get a two or three page document distributed with accounts, passwords, techniques, processes, etc. like exactly the steps to take when a new member is brought in, and how do do them without bringing any server to a crashing halt. If each of the four of us has that document, we can all have our responsibilities, and we can all cover for each other as necessary. For example, I am now very familiar with how to remove spam notices from the website bulletin board, but I don't even have a clue how to get myself off the individual e-mails list over to the daily digest e-mail list. We'll straighten out those problems in the near future. Speaking of problems, the more I think about the recent Klez worm virus - trojan horse - whatever it's called, the more difficult it will be to remove it from everywhere in general. Apparently, it searches web sites (not a difficult task) for any mention of email addresses (not difficult either, just search for the "@" character) and starts a vicious cycle of forging email addresses from recipients to other recipients. That's why we've been seeing mail to and from OBC members, including the site's email aliases - webmaster@oldbaseball.com, treasurer@oldbaseball.com. Obviously, nobody is doing this intentionally, but for now the thing to do is treat any email with an attached executable file as suspect, even if from trusted addresses. They usually look like a spreadsheet, program file, or picture hooked up as an attachment to an email with a blank message. Delete them at once. I have an older computer which works but I no longer use it, which I'd like to use to examine the behavior of the latest nasty viruses in a completely contained environment. (Sorry about that, I'm reading a Tom Clancy novel and they're developing an Ebola biological warfare threat in "Executive Orders", and talking like that just sounds so cool.) Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Webmaster, OBC (Old Baseball Cards) www.oldbaseball.com "To make a long story short: Uh-oh." (Eeyore) ================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:00:18 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] server administrator? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 9/1/02 8:50:42 AM Central Daylight Time, WMDpks@aol.com > Apparently, it searches web sites (not a difficult task) for any mention of > email addresses (not difficult either, just search for the "@" character) > and starts a vicious cycle of forging email addresses from recipients to > other recipients. That's why we've been seeing mail to and from OBC > members, including the site's email aliases - webmaster@oldbaseball.com, > treasurer@oldbaseball.com this is why it is so important not to forward mass mailings like we have seen. most of them are scams designed solely to collect email addresses, sometimes to be used for mass marketing spam, but also now being used to distribute viruses. i got another "lost child" email the other day. its a hoax, i read about it already. so please be careful what you forward on to the group. tnx, gm ================= Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:05:03 EDT Subject: How cool is this? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Yesterday I received a package with a book I won on eBay which absolutely blew my mind (granted, my mind is easily blown). I won an original copy of the 1975 Sports Collectors Bible by Bert Sugar - for the face value cover price of $9.95, plus four cents! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1850180723&rd=1 This book was everything I expected it to be and much more. For anyone who doesn't have a copy of Jeff Burdick's "The American Card Catalog" from 1960, I think Richard Gelman is selling reprint copies of it and it has always been a valuable reference especially in my development of the Baseball Card Images project (free CD of 25,000 BBC images available on request). This book I just won, though, was published in 1975, with amazingly complete checklists (of cards known at the time) along with the expectable way out-of-date prices. But the very neat thing about the way the book is organized is that it extended Burdick's classification system to cover issues up to and including 1974. For example, if someone offered type cards of the F283-3 set, you might think of exotic, rare, regional food issues from the early 1940's, but it's actually 1972 Kelloggs 3D. The book has detailed information on about 40 sets I'd never heard of before, which is saying a lot because I've been neck-deep in this kind of research for the past 2 1/2 years. "Every once in awhile, a blind hog finds an acorn." Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "There goes the greatest hitter who ever lived." (Ted Williams, 1918-2002) ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ted williams war worn uniform card Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:42:01 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Not! If you read the description, the author was very careful to be accurate: "The card features a Korean war-worn uniform swatch". Notice that it does not say it is a swatch from Ted William's Korean War uniform, because it's not. Topps was very careful to advertise that they had simply bought several Korean War uniforms, but they did not belong to any baseball players. So in a sense, Ted's image on the card is paired with a swatch from an unknown -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: amcook93@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 4:39 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ted williams war worn uniform card http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1855368389 Check this out, a swatch from Ted Williams' Korean War uniform. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2002 07:02:30 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Very Pleasantly Surprised From: Lynn Miller By a very thoughtful and most welcome telephone call from Mike Rich. It was just a lazy Sunday afternoon and was not doing anything much except cleaning up the printing press :>) The phone rings, which is a little unusual in itself and I answer which is even more unusual coz the kids usually race to get it. But it was a real nice day outside and they were all playing and running around, just like kids everywhere do. So I asked who is this and the voice says "It's Mike Rich". For a brief moment my mind went a little blank (at my age that is starting to happen a lot more than I care to admit) and I'm trying to think, Mike Rich?? I don't have any friends here with that name! Well, instantly (well almost) the light comes on and I'm shocked (again that brief moment) to hear a voice from one of my brothers in OBC. First I try to tell Mike that as much as I appreciate and cherish the call, it's a little expensive to call the Philippines and I wanted to keep the conversation as brief as possible. But he told me he has a lot of calling plans at his disposal and it's only costing him $.25 a minute. Wow, that's a great deal! Anyway we talk about a lot of stuff, OBC and cards and Oddball sets :>) and the strike, my life in the Philippines, family. I can't begin to tell you what a thrill it turned out to be to talk with Mike. That kind of thoughtfulness is what really OBC is about. The only other OBCer that I think I've ever spoken to personally is Ron "The King" Kingsbury, who still remains a very close friend. Mike, I can't begin to thank you for your kindness, it really made my week start off with a bang! It was great talking to you and I hope, as I do with so many others, that we will have a chance to meet in person someday. What a great Sunday afternoon delight! OBC - It Doesn't Get Any Better Lynn ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1855601763: (15) T206 Tobacco cards Trimmed Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 20:53:30 PDT From: illini90@earthlink.net For all you T206 collectors, check out this lot (he has two other lots as well). He says they are not reprints, and if not trimmed would grad a 6 or 7. If they are real, they are an awesome OBC pick-up, although I would offer the opportunity to an OBCer further along in the set... Title of item: (15) T206 Tobacco cards Trimmed Starts: Aug-30-02 19:56:16 PDT Ends: Sep-06-02 19:56:16 PDT Price: Currently $31.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1855601763 Item Description: A beautiful set of t206 cards. Unfortunately trimmed. Great pictures, little creasing, but trimmed. The quality of the pictures is great. For someone trying to put the set together, of limited pockets, like most of us, this is a great buy. Names in set, DUFFEY, ELBERFELD, FLICK, JONES, LLEINOW, KLING, KRAUSE, LEACH, LENNOX, LOBERT, MADDOX, MAGEE, MCCORMICK, MCINTYRE, MULLEN. Minor adhesion marks to the back. Picture did not quite fit the scanner. Left and right boardes are intact. Second of 3 pages offered this week end. . Cash,check,MO paypal or billpoint. U.S. shipping $5.00, internationl, cost plus $2.00. Insurance in the U.S. is $2.00 and optional. Shipping at buyers risk. As usual, low starting bid and no reserve. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: , Subject: HELP NEEDED Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 09:04:50 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Looking for some help in a couple of areas. With 130+ plus members, and some real hound dogs out there, this could work. What i'm asking is for some help in LOCATING some of the hard to find itemsI'm working on. Just find them if possible and let me know who has tehm for sale. 1958 Hires with tabs, ex or better. Picked up 9 nrmnt at the nat. Also looking for a DELL TODAY'S 1971 TEAM STAMPS ALL-STAR ALBUM WITH AN UNCUT SHEET OF THE 24 PLAYERS. There were 25 albums in this set. I have the 24 team albums and need the all-star to complete the set. 1954, 1959, AND 1960 ARMOUR COINS. Looking for many of these as there are a ton of color variations for all years. Anyone know of a dealer or a shopwith a good size lot of these at a fair price?? These are a few of the odd ball things I am working on. David K. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:08:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ted williams war worn uniform card To: dfallen@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, AMCOOK93@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 9/1/2002 1:43:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time To: , From: "Dave Fallen" Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2002 10:42:01 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ted williams war worn uniform card ================= Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 18:34:26 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ted williams war worn uniform card To: ChicoD1@aol.com, dfallen@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: friar4@aol.com Excellent point by Sal. That is not collecting. It's something else, but it's not collecting. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 22:38:18 EDT Subject: Ft. Washington-Sept. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com hey all: i am pretty sure i will be going to the september event. my immediate concern is getting a motel room near the show--is there any place close by? I am not sure if i will have a car as i may take the train down from nyc friday nite, although i still have to work out a bit on the logistics side based upon fall little league, which i am managing and will either affect my saturday or sunday that weekend. my plan is to arrive the night before and hit the show until about 5:00 or so before going home. i should know my travel plans in about a week--hopefully a good crew of obcer's will be present for the show. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: An unexpected call.... Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 7:30:07 +0000 From: Lynn Miller wasn't the only OBCer to receive a birthday phone call. Unlike Lynn, I'm still young enough to have retained the majority of my faculties .... :-) ...... and recognised the name "Mike Rich" immediately. Mike and I had a very great 15 minute chat about OBC and the current Tigers woes, while I tended to my BBQ during an exceptionally pleasant evening here in Glasgow. The only downside was that, as Mike called just as I put my steak on the grill, it ended up well done instead of my preferred medium rare. A small price to pay for a few words with a fellow OBCer! Mike, it really was great to talk to you, and hopefully next time it'll be face-to-face, either at a card show or at a ballgame at Comerica Park. Cheers for now! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: grains@dccnet.com Subject: My new address Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 13:51:47 +0000 From: mattglidden@attbi.com Hi Grant, Looks like I'm a day late for the latest directory, but STOP THE PRESSES! I spent my first night in the new Cambridge apartment last night, so Red Sox paraphernalia is sure to follow. The new address: Spike Glidden 127 Montgomery St Cambridge, MA 02140 (508) 472 9915 I've been quiet recently whilst dealing with packing, moving, and what not, but you should hear more from me again shortly. Even if the Mariners DID fall six games back while I wasn't looking. Grr. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fw: Tornado Jake Weimer Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:07:01 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Please respond directly to the person who contacted me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Staceylee1@aol.com To: wantlist@oldbaseball.com Sent: Monday, September 02, 2002 3:44 PM Subject: Tornado Jake Weimer I am looking for a baseball card with Tornado Jake Weimer, can you help me? Sharing the Vision of Health and Opportunity with the World! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: fake Mantle? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:32:08 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1855810401 Is it just my imagination, or does the card in this slab look like a reprint? The black line borders on the inside of the card look just too perfect, almost like they were done by a computer. I don't know if this grading company would be prone to grade a reprint as real, but just wondered if anyone else shared the same opinion. John C. Collins ================= To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:47:53 -0400 From: abaran@perriergroup.com That particular card was purchased by the seller on Ebay a few years ago. Prior to that, the card was sold in a Mastro Auction as "ALTERED". Do not ever buy anything from this seller, as I am very familiar with him, and he is morally corrupt. Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters North America Inc. (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: John Collins [mailto:jcollins12@triad.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:32 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem Is it just my imagination, or does the card in this slab look like a reprint? The black line borders on the inside of the card look just too perfect, almost like they were done by a computer. I don't know if this grading company would be prone to grade a reprint as real, but just wondered if anyone else shared the same opinion. John C. Collins jcollins12@triad.rr.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=09 =09 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 16:56:13 -0400 From: abaran@perriergroup.com Ebay has been contacted by several people. They are completely not Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters North America Inc. (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:50 PM To: abaran@perriergroup.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? Should you inform ebay about this? ----- Original Message ----- From: abaran@perriergroup.com To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:47 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? That particular card was purchased by the seller on Ebay a few years ago. Prior to that, the card was sold in a Mastro Auction as "ALTERED". Do not ever buy anything from this seller, as I am very familiar with him, and he is morally corrupt. Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters North America Inc. (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) abaran@perriergroup.com -----Original Message----- From: John Collins [mailto:jcollins12@triad.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:32 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem Is it just my imagination, or does the card in this slab look like a reprint? The black line borders on the inside of the card look just too perfect, almost like they were done by a computer. I don't know if this grading company would be prone to grade a reprint as real, but just wondered if anyone else shared the same opinion. John C. Collins jcollins12@triad.rr.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=09 =09 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:42:17 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 9/3/2002 3:37:10 PM Central Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > Is it just my imagination, or does the card in this slab look like a > reprint? The black line borders on the inside of the card look just too > perfect, almost like they were done by a computer. I don't know if this > grading company would be prone to grade a reprint as real, but just > wondered if anyone else shared the same opinion. Dog gone, I was just about to bid on it too. - Doug ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 17:47:01 -0400 From: "John Collins" I'm sure lots of people in OBC have a spare 15 grand or so lying around to purchase such a gem of a card (even if it is a reprint).... John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] fake Mantle? In a message dated 9/3/2002 3:37:10 PM Central Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com Is it just my imagination, or does the card in this slab look like a reprint? The black line borders on the inside of the card look just too perfect, almost like they were done by a computer. I don't know if this grading company would be prone to grade a reprint as real, but just wondered if anyone else shared the same opinion. Dog gone, I was just about to bid on it too. - Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: '52 Mick Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 14:47:14 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I vaguely recall one from a couple of years ago where the guy dropped the card on the floor and it tore in half when he tried to pick it up, or some nonsense like that....that card went in for repair...is this the same card? ================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:27:44 EDT Subject: Arizona Mauling-thoroughly enjoyable To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i thought i would never say it but i thoroughly enjoyed watching a Dodger game- The one yesterday i watched on TV - the "Arizona Mauling"-Now if i could only see the Yankees give Arizona a beating like that-and they sure have it coming after last year's Series- Speaking of Arizona- There was a box on my doorstep today with 26 different Randy Johnson cards enclosed- i don't know who left it there- Anyone want to leave me 26 different Whitey Ford cards? --Linda ================= To: Subject: MY TAKE ON THE MICK Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:22:56 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" O think most of what has been said about this card could be correct. If it is the same card (again) that Mastro west sold as ALTERED, then it has been altered again. Andy is right in saying that Mastro sold the card a few years ago. THEY DESCRIBED IT AS ALTERED, RESTORED. A few months later the card shows up on e-bay in a PRO Grading holder, as a PRO 8. This card and the Mastro west card had 2 marks that were identical. If I remember right one of the marks was a print mark just above the second knuckle on the left hand ring finger. I can not remember the 2nd mark, but think it had to do with the black border. If this is the same card, it's had more work done to it. Just remember Friends don't let Friends buy PRO ================= To: Subject: Dallas "quick trip" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:28:55 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Leaving for Dallas in the AM. Returning Friday AM. Should be free WED. &THUR If anybody has any free time drop me a line, will check e-mail early in themorning. Or leave me a message on my cell and I'll call you back when I get to Dallas. 219 614 1651 ================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 21:30:14 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An unexpected call.... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I wish I had thought of it first. Mike Rich has been cold calling OBCers on their B-Days...This is a great idea...The OBC spirit is alive and well and currently flowing through Mike and the phone. -joshua (i love this group) ================= To: Subject: Mike's Phone Bill Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 20:01:15 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Okay, okay...Mike called me the other night too, and it wasn't even my Birthday. Nice present though...thanks Mike! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: obc quality '49 Bowman Robinson on ebay Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:23:25 -0400 From: "John Collins" Should go for a reasonable price: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1856225820 John C. Collins ================= Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:46:34 EDT Subject: Fake Mick To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com 
The card that was torn in half was repaired and sold on ebay a few months
later, properly identified as repaired.  I'm not sure what it went for but it
was well above my limit.  - Doug

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Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 23:59:44 -0400
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An unexpected call....
To: Wite3@aol.com
From: Mark S Talbot 
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Well I heard from Mike as well,

    It's not even my birthday, but Mike was going to
be a few miles from my house today on business and he called to get together
afterwards.  I have been to Mike's home a number of times and I have
not as of yet been able to return the favor.  Unfortunately as luck
would have it, I had to attend a schedule a meeting at the school and could
not meet up with Mike on this occasion.  Perhaps when he calls again
it will be a better time.  I always enjoy our conversation weather
they are on the phone or in person, Mike is good people!!!  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Wite3@aol.com wrote:

 I
wish I had thought of it first. Mike Rich has been cold calling OBCers
on their B-Days...This is a great idea...The OBC spirit is alive and well
and currently flowing through Mike and the phone.

-joshua (i love this group)

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To: 
Subject: Oakland
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:04:22 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Finally figured out how the Angels can gain ground on the A's....give
Oakland LOTS of days off! (It worked yesterday.) BREAK UP THE A'S!!!!

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:14:41 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oakland
To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Number 20 is in the books and the A's don't appear to be doing easy but
getting it done day in and day out!

I was at the Giants game receiving cell phone calls from a friend at the A's
game it was exciting to say the least and I managed to make it home just in
time to see the walk off home run by the A's on TV!!!!!! GO A's!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 02:34:57 EDT
Subject: Why I love baseball or the 2002 Oakland A's and Anaheim Angels
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Okay, you have heard it from me before but oh my gosh...

I rarely watch baseball on television, call me a purist, but I like it at the
park better. Every now and then I get a call from my television watching
friends and I flip over (like when Mark Grace---one of my favs.--pitched the
other night). Tonight, my trusty baseball friends called me to watch the A's
game...apparently the Royals were making a comeback...I was sucked in. The
A's played a horrible game giving up an 11 run lead. Of course the drama came
down to the bottom of the ninth again. The A's pulled out their 20th straight
win on a walk-off homerun (Hatteberg off the bench).

This is why I love the game...the drama. In no other sport is the drama like
this. More often in baseball than any other sport does it come down to drama
like this. The ninth inning tonight took nearly 20 minutes to complete.
Hitchcock always knew that the longer the suspense the better the release
(just watch North by Northwest) or Speilberg's use of the shark in Jaws (he
did not show it until 2/3 of the way through). Baseball has that drama nearly
every game. Very rarely do we get a true blowout like the Dodgers-D-Backs
game the other day. Most games end with the teams within 3 runs.

Now, back to the A's and Angels...two teams that are complete opposites. The
A's are a team built to win. Solid young pitching and great power and
free-agent pick-ups. The A's are powered by three future all-star
pitchers--Mulder, Zito, and Hudson and a bullpen that is wonderful made
better by the addition of Koch and Rincon. Tejada is the MVP (and better get
it--A-rod can hit and field but can he win?), Dye, Chavez, Long, and
Hatteberg all have All-Star potential. This is a team that should win 20
straight. So why are they only 3 game up in the standings? Because they are
facing my favorite kind of team, the Angels...

The Angels are winning for no other reason than they are coached well. Yep, I
give the Angels my nod for best coached team of the last 20 years. This is a
team built of young and old talent, scrappy, veteran, has-beens, and never
should have beens...the Angels big trade this year involved getting Alex
Ochoa (who?).
The Angels are led by a group of guys who I loved rooting for when they
played, many of whom were on the Dodger 1988 championship team.

Led by Mike Scioscia, the Dodger I met at my fantasy day on the field in '97.
He was the back-up backstop for the Angels for several years and was the best
plate blocker of his era. The guy could stop a truck at the plate. He was a
big man. He knows his baseball too and has surrounded himself with guys who
made the major leauges with determination and scrappiness. His coaching staff
is a reflection of his players.
Bud Black has turned one all-star(Washburn), two has-beens---Sele and Appier,
and a bunch of rookies and young pitchers into a solid staff. The bullpen is
even better, best ERA in the leauge. It always makes me laugh when someone
points out that the best hitting coaches are the ones that can't hit. Mickey
Hatcher was once described as the worst hitting, slowest, and sloppiest
player in the majors by a reporter. Mickey retorted by saying my all time
favorite baseball quote, "I would rather be the worst player in the major
leauges than not be in them at all." Mickey was smart when he played. He once
rounded third on a sinlge and knowing his speed was lacking started yelling
"CUT,CUT." The third baseman thinking it was the catcher, cut the ball and
Mickey scored standing up. Mickey was also full of hustle. He always ran out
his walks, and ran on and off of the field. Mickey has taken his love of the
game, his knowledge and his hustle and turned some of the games unlikeliest
players into All-Star caliber players...Darin Erstad, Tim Salmon, and Garrett
Anderson (the most underrated player in the majors) were solid. Add to them a
guy who was told he could never play major leauge baseball because he was too
small (and then went on to set the University of Miami record for hits),
Eckstein, a CSUN alumni who I watched played and even had a class with, who I
thought was good but not great, Kennedy, Speizo, a journeyman firstbaseman
who finally is getting a chance to play every day, a DH who barely hits his
weight and has more timely RBIs than anyone else on the team, a third baseman
who hits for no avg. but manages to produce tons of runs and rarely
strikesout. And two catching brothers who hit when needed. They rarely waste

Alfredo Griffin and Ron Roenicke (two more ex-Dodger teammates) have the
Angels playing small ball. They hit singles and doubles, run like wild, take
extra bases, steal home, and rally with the best of them. Add to that, the
Angels make very few errors and play very smart.

The Angels are a team to watch for no other reason than they are exciting and
add drama to every game.

There are two other intangibles that I need to mention on why I have become
an Angel fan the past few years...first is their sense of fun. They play the
game serious and hard (Erstad and Eckstein would explode is they ever smiled
on the field). Off the field the Angels are fun. I have been at signings with
them, events before the games, and seen interviews. This is a closeknit team
and has a sense of community and fun. Part of this is their front office
personnel including Bill Stoneman who has been a great G.M. Also the Angels
took a chance and hired Rex Hudler to do play-by-play and color for their
local broadcasts (every now and then he turns up on Fox too). Rex (known as
the "Wonder Dog") is one of the best analysts, color men, and play by play
guys I have ever heard. He is funny, interesting, and knows his stuff better
than 20 Joe Morgans...He also has a personal relationship with most of the
Angels players and coaches and gets great interviews and insights. The only
analyst that I think may be better is Harold Reynolds of ESPN. (BTW, Rex and
Harold are friends and often mention each other in broadcasts). The last
thing I love about the Angels is the rally monkey. Three years ago, during a
very bad Angel's game a monkey showed up on the screen clapping. The screen
operator thought it would be funny. The Angels rallied from something like 6
runs down and won. Then he showed it again the next time they were down and
the Angels won again. Thus a mascot was born. Since then the Angels have been
selling tons of rally monkeys at games, t-shirts, puppets, towels, etc. Even
the Dodgers have started selling Dodger rally monkeys. I like the rally
monkey...it is funny and reminds me of the old rally caps and homer hankies.

I am truly looking forward to the last month of the season...I hope the A's
and Angels meet in the playoffs (although, I think the Angels with play
tough, the A's pitching is just too good and we all know that pitching wins

Boy....I feel like Ken...

=================

To: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oakland
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:53:10 -0700
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

Hi all - wow, what a night.  Just got back from one of the most amazing games
I've seen.  Yesterday, I won tickets from the local sports station for tonight's
A's - Royals game.  Can't believe what I witnessed!  Three triplesin
the first inning.  The A's scoring at will (I had visions of them easily
eclipsing the 19 the Dodgers put on AZ the other night).  Then Tejada's error,
which led to 5 unearned runs.  No problem, the A's will score more, right?
Uh, no.  But then again, they can't possibly give up 6 more runs to erase
an 11-0 lead, right?  Uh, yes.  Then of course Hatteberg does his thing.
Wow!  And to do it in front of what turned out to be the biggest crowdever
at the Coliseum.

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm

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From: tply@aol.com
To: grains@dccnet.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oakland

Number 20 is in the books and the A's don't appear to be doing easy but
getting it done day in and day out!

I was at the Giants game receiving cell phone calls from a friend at the A's
game it was exciting to say the least and I managed to make it home just in
time to see the walk off home run by the A's on TV!!!!!! GO A's!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 05:58:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 50 Bowmans & 57 Topps
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Storman 

ANYONE OUT THERE HAVE ANY 50 BOWMANS OR 57 TOPPS
BASEBALL CARDS TO TRADE. I HAVE QUITE A FEW DOUBLES IN
57 AND AM EXPECTING TO HAVE QUITE A FEW 50 BOWMANS TO
TRADE WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK.

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To: 
Subject: Hall of Famers Cards Wanted
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:31:49 -0400
From: "ochiai" 

I am looking to trade for cards of the following HOFers.  The should must be
in VG or better (backs can be much worse) and from when the player was
active.  I have many HOFers from 1968-80 and a few from the 1920s-30s to
Rob Fitts

Al Barlick, Max Carey, Nestor Chylak, Roy Campanella, Jimmie Collins, Jocko
Conlan, Tim Connolly, Stan Coveleski, George Davis, Dizzy Dean, Elmer Flick,
Nellie Fox, Ford Flick, Warren Giles, Chick Hafey, Will Harridge, Bucky
Harris, Cal Hubbard, Addie Joss, Tony Lazzeri, Lee MacPhail, Henie Manush,
Mickey Mantle, Eppa Rixey, Branch Rickey, Casey Stangel (manager) Hack

=================

To: 
Subject: HOF autographs wanted especially 3x5 index cards
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 13:34:00 -0400
From: "ochiai" 

Hi again
I'm also collecting one autograph (index cards preferred) for each HOFer.  If
you have any to trade or sell, please email me.  I only have a few rightnow
so I need most HOFers

http://www.robsjapanesecards.com

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: What a long strange week it's been.....
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:34:32 -0600
From: "Todd Knowles" 

I haven't been very active OBC-wise as of late; but I have been

A week ago Monday was my son Brandon's 9th birthday.  We celebrated by
taking in a Great Falls Dodgers (Pioneer League-short season A) game.
It was also Pedro Martinez Bobblehead night!  In case you were
wondering, Pedro started his career here in Great Falls.  It turned
out to be a great game-the locals came back from 9-4 in the bottom of
the 9th to tie it up and won it in the bottom of the 14th.

Prospect update:  Two years ago I wrote about 2 up-and-comers with the
Dodgers:  The first, Jason Repko, has made it to AA, but has struggled
a bit.  The other, Ricardo Rodriguez, starts his 3rd Major League game
for the Indians tonight (he was traded to the Tribe for Paul Shuey)
Not too bad; from rookie league ball to the Bigs in 2 years!  Last
year's prospect, Sean Pierce, is in long-season A-ball this year.  So
now for my picks for this year.  Jonathan Figueroa and James Loney.
Both just got promoted to long-season A.  Figueroa is a pitcher with a
hard fastball and great control.  Loney is a first baseman just out of
high school (he was the Dodgers' first round pick this year), a lefty
with a swing reminiscient of John Olerud.  Watch for these guys in the
years to come.

WARNING-the next paragraph contains graphic, Grant Rainsley/Savary
Island-esque stuff......

Last Thursday was the first day of school here.  I had the day off, so
I was busy working on the addition to our house, which just passed the
one-year mark since groundbreaking.  I was cutting a piece of hardwood
flooring on the table saw when the rip fence slipped (I forgot to lock
it down), and the board slipped, and my left thumb slipped into the
saw blade.  Took off about a quarter inch off the tip of my thumb, but
fortunately I just grazed the bone.  Adrenaline took over at this
point--I wrapped up my thumb and drove to the emergency room.  They
cleaned it up for me and had me see a hand specialist.  He was able to
suture up loose part except for a small piece on the side.  I won't be
playing the piano anytime soon (not that I ever could before) but it
could have been a lot worse.

Okay, no more gory stuff..

Last night was the last regular season Dodger game.  They had already
clinched the first-half championship and were playing the second-half
champs, the Billings Mustangs (Reds affilliate).  The Mustags are
managed by one of my all-time favorite Sawx, the Rooster, Rick
Burleson.  Normally, I'm not an autograph hound, but since I had a
brand new AL ball, I decided to hit him up after the game.  I called
out to him, and he looked over my way (I was outfitted in my Red Sox
jersey and cap), smiled and said he'd be over in a minute.  After
visiting with his coaches, he came over and signed my ball.  I got to
chat with him for a few minutes before he had to go.  He also signed a
ball for Brandon and shook my hand before he left.  As fiesty as he
was on the field, even now as a manager, he's pretty laid back off it.

All in all, not a bad week.  Not quite two thumbs up anymore,

I never met an OBCer I didn't like....

=================

Date: 05 Sep 2002 12:57:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HOF autographs wanted especially 3x5 index cards
To: ,
From: Roger Raum 

I think Lee MacPhail is still alive or one of them is anyway.  If so I think
he will sign an index card for you for nothing.   He did a couple of baseballs
for me recently. I have a fairly extensive HOF autograph collection and
I will check and see what I've got on these guys.  A suggestion an collecting
Baseball and HOF autos is to purchase the Jack Smalling address book.Check
it out on his web site.  He also has tons of a index cards.  HOFer are
not as anxious to sign as they used to be but many older ones will do it
for a nominal fee. What do you have in the area of 65 or 64 Topps Cards? Let
me know if you just need a couple of addresses.

On Thursday, September 5, 2002 12:34 PM, ochiai@mindspring.com wrote:
>Hi again
>I'm also collecting one autograph (index cards preferred) for
>each HOFer. If you have any to trade or sell, please email
>me. I only have a few right now so I need most HOFers
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Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:03:17 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a long strange week it's been.....
To: tknowles@mocc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Save the tip...I see an "OBC game used piece of Todd card" soon...ebay watch
out...you all know NASA would grade it.

=================

To: Wite3@aol.com tknowles@mocc.com OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a long strange week it's been.....
Date: 5 Sep 2002 12:57:35 -0700
From: "jcollins12" 

That suggestion for the "thumb" card made me think........here's
a new idea in the realm of memorabilia and game used cards.....what
about "card" cards?

"Can't afford an orignal '52 Topps Mantle?  Well how about this
limited edition "card" card?  That's right, glued right onto
the card is an authentic piece (one centimeter square) of an
authentic '52 Topps Mantle card !!  What, can't tell? You can
see part of the blue field and the "T" in "Mantle!"  What a thrill
to own a piece of history.

Also, check out the authentic "Goudey Ruth Card" card.  That's
right, and authentic piece of an original '33 Goudey Ruth card.
Yes, that is the Bambino's left foot on the copy you have !!"

Seriously, I doubt it will be too much longer before we have
to deal with this level of absurdidty from the modern hobby.

>--- Original Message ---
>From: Wite3@aol.com
>To: tknowles@mocc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Date: 9/5/02 9:03:17 AM
Save the tip...I see an "OBC game used piece of Todd card" soon...ebay
>out...you all know NASA would grade it.

=================

Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 20:32:49 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a long strange week it's been.....
To: Wite3@aol.com, tknowles@mocc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com


...or get a piece of a V02 ribfest used napkin

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a long strange week it's been.....
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 19:04:01 -0600
From: "Todd Knowles" 

I don't have it, but I do have some "game used" gauze....

----- Original Message -----

From: Wite3@aol.com
To: tknowles@mocc.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a long strange week it's been.....

Save the tip...I see an "OBC game used piece of Todd card" soon...ebay watch
out...you all know NASA would grade it.

=================

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 20:12:19 -0500
To: 
Subject: Fake Mick
From: "Don Metz" 

Do the alterations to the Mick's card classify the card as a Tipton Gem Mint?
 And thus, worth the asking price.

don metz :)

=================

Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:00:37 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: new stuff
From: 

Been a couple weeks since I wrote, so I think some of you have forgotten how
boring my e-mail can get. Lots going on, not much good. I think I told some of
you my wife got laid off. She is getting more hours at the second job but it
does not pay as well so now she is looking for a new second job.
Some of you have heard about a possible Boeing strike and wondered if that
would affect me. The rest of you are smarter than me and know that it will if
it happens. Well you all are smarter than me, but might not have put the two
things together.
More bad news, I bought an SUV. What could be bad about that, you ask? I had
to buy a new vehicle. I had a small accident, luckily the only thing hurt was
my wallet. The Buick was in sad shape before the wreck, and I didn't help it.
At night what headlights I had left were going 4 different directions (kinda
of like me). On the way to the dealer it turned over 200K. It was time to
upgrade so I got talked into this SUV, big payments and even bigger
Insurance(triple!) The weirdest part was I dislike Fords but I think Earl put
some kind of sumliminal thing in me when we were staying in Chicago and I
ended up with an Explorer. If it ever breaks down, I got a big "I told you so,
Earl" saved up.
Anyway, besides the M's tanking their lead and slipping away from any Playoff
hope, things are about normal. One last thing, last week was our 23rd
aniversary. Nothing but bad news lately
Big Al in Seattle

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 00:15:55 EDT
Subject: thanks and a rambling
To: metz@io.uwinnipeg.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

I want to thank AL CROTTE with a nice visit when I was in Columbus over Labor
Day weekend.  While it was short because of other obligations to family
members, he did actually get me to enjoy a soccer match which I must admit I
never thought I would ever say.  (Score was 0-0 too)

Now my rambling ----this week it has been decided that we have lived to long
in one area......Minneapolis has been home for 21 years......20 with the same
woman and 14 in the same house.

Kris has been offered a new job opportunity in Fort Collins, Colorado and
with my company having a company in Denver it was decided that maybe it was
time to start a new.  I must admit even I was excited about starting over but
in last few hours the anxiety has set in.  The doubt about an old person
starting over in a new city.

I listed the pro and cons ,,,,,,,you know old friends vs. new friends.  Pay
now Vs starting over in a new city at 10% less in commission but a chance to
make up for it as Denver supposedly has more work.

Those are the doubts now for the fun stuff I can make Rick Ellison look like
the second coming of Tiger Wood in Las Vegas and in two years when nationals
are in Anaheim I can meet (there are a lot but these two are special in my
mind) the Fitaks in person.  I mean if I can get to California it got to be
close right.

Anyhow I will be in and out over next few month as we try to piece this
together and hope to hook up with the Colorado contingency as soon as we
settle in

PS This job has been offered by a government agency who stated not to worry
everything is OK.  I thinks that about same time my doubts started.

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 02:13:16 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thanks and a rambling
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, metz@io.uwinnipeg.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

In a message dated 9/5/2002 9:16:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
LUURSCJG@aol.com writes:

> Those are the doubts now for the fun stuff I can make Rick Ellison look like
> the second coming of Tiger Wood in Las Vegas and in two years when
> nationals are in Anaheim I can meet (there are a lot but these two are
> special in my mind) the Fitaks in person.  I mean if I can get to
> California it got to be close right.

Ray - Great "Rambling"! No matter how bad you are at golf I will (in the eyes
of OBC) be the worst! I accept that, it is a form of teasing and I know I
dish it out as much, if not more, than I take it! Life is good and I am sure
you will be fine with your move. The West is good!

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 07:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thanks and a rambling
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Just remember the rest of that old saying about "you can't teach old
dogs new tricks.... because they already know them all"! I hunch you
know plenty and I'm sure you will "land on you feet". I know I'm mixing
my pet metaphors, but it's early and I've only had a half cup of coffee.
At any rate best of luck to you and your family. I'm glad we got a
chance to meet when we did because I don't think they let Red Wing fans
into Colorado.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 09:21:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thanks and a rambling
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, metz@io.uwinnipeg.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com


Ray - You better rethink the whole deal ..the Anaheim national has been moved
to Cleveland.  Speaking as a guy who has moved every few years, its no big
deal.  Enjoy the move. - Doug

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 19:36:14 EDT
Subject: changed ebay id
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, prewartraders@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

Just fyi, I changed my ebay id this week from my email address to 'typecard'.
This is my attempt to stem the torrent of ebay related junk mail I receive
daily. So far, it seems to be working somewhat.

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 01:00:34 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thanks and a rambling
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i read Ray Luurs rambling about his moving- I was MOVED by
what he wrote about wanting to meet me and my husband- but darn it Ray- they
moved the National from Anaheim to Cleveland- Let's all tell them to move the
National back to Anaheim so i can get to meet Ray Luurs!!-i am sure that is a
very important reason for them to move the National back to Anaheim.--Linda

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 02:39:43 EDT
Subject: OBC friendly dealer at local show!!!
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- Today me and my husband went to the biggest card show in
our Los Angeles area- Naxcom's West Coast Collectables Convention at
Hollywood Park Casino and Convention Center- We went expecting the usual
overpriced ,limited vintage inventory local dealers we usually see- We
finally had one of the legendary OBC friendly dealers so many OBC members
have told us about there with a table - His 1st time doing this show- Roger
Newfeldt --Now i know how guys like Ken Morganti and Steve Rittenberg ,who
have mentioned this dealer in ramblings, get all those tons of  rare vintage
cards at reasonable prices.The problem is i don't have access to dealers like
Tourdot, John Morrison, and Newfeldt here because they don't do shows on the
West Coast- until today- Newfeldt's inventory is an eye opener- This dealer
had a LOT of pre war cards i had never seen before- local dealers sure don't
have those Dockman's or rare E series cards-i can only wonder what it must be
like to go to the Ft. Washington show with a whole bunch of these OBC type
friendly dealers like Newfeldt there selling vintage cards at reasonable
prices- When Newfeldt found out i was an OBC member he like opened the Castle
doors and let me into the land of rare and reasonably priced vintage
cards-and Tim who never hardly buys ANY cards from local dealers starting
buying a LOT of cards from Neufeldt-10X more than i have ever seen him buy
from any local dealer- Cards dealers here NEVER have-i got some  rare cards i
have only been able to dream about owning from Neufeldt like a 1948 Leaf SP
of Virgil Trucks (no dealer here has EVER had one of those Leaf SP's) -a 1948
Leaf Johnny Vandermere,4 1964 Topps standups in EX+ shape,3 Glendale Hot
Dogs-- Johnny Bucha,Russ Sullivan Jerry Priddy---a 1955 Topps Koufax
Rookie-,--- a stack of 52 bowman , 53 topps, 53 Bowman color & B&W's at from
$1 to $3 each!!!!- No way can you buy those cards that cheap here from ANY
dealer---a 53 Color Bowman- Campy for $20!!!!--YES how sweeeeet it is!!---and
older non sports never available here like a Capt. Kidd - Look and See, a
Scoops opening of the Brooklyn Bridge card, a Fighting Marines #33- Rescue at
Sea, a Look and See Charles Dickens- + a dozen other never seen here older
non sports--Neufeldt pulled out a bunch of 55 and 56 topps for me at $1 each-
even gave me free ones!!--also got a 63 Fleer Joe Adcock for $12!!!-No dealer
here even has that rare card --- also my 1st Swell "The Babe Ruth Story" in
the making card- #22- one with Bendix and Ted Lyons- Finally, one of those
great OBC dealers i have been hearing so much about did a show in my area- i
had a great time and to show how great Neufeldt's prices were i spent over
$750 at his table today- i wish some of the other legendary OBC dealers like
Tourdot would do a show in my area- Linda

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Great News
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 06:18:09 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Sara Kathleen Donaldson, my first child was born Thursday 9/5/02.  7 lbs.
19'.  Mother and baby are both doing fine.

=================

To: 
Subject: TEXAS T's
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:44:37 -0500
From: "David Kolenda" 

Had to make a quick trip to Dallas mid week. Got to meet up with Doug & Judy
Smith, and George and Lucy Hay at Doug's home Thursday night.

We got to spend about 2 1/2 hours   talking about things in general.   Did get
to see Doug's impressive display of cobbs and mathewsons.

Doug and George helped my wantlist with a couple of t's. A t206 and a t207.

It's nice to have this group spread all over the place.  Allows one to takea
break from the daily grind in a number of different places.  Now if onlyNeil
was still in the group as it's off to Australia on the 16th for two weeks
of business.

Thanks Doug and Judy for having us over on Thursday.

Thanks George and Doug for the hits to the wantlist.

David K.

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:21:21 EDT
Subject: Show report: Suffolk Downs, MA
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

This morning I made the trek down to "Suffolk Downs II" - a show just north
of Boston's Logan Airport.  Last year's show was right after the terrorist
attacks so it was understandibly slow.  I decided to give it another chance.
Lots of memoribilia and lots of new stuff with a few vintage dealers
scattered about.  I found some 1971 high numbers in a dime box and a 1967
high number hit for .50.  My biggest find was (drumroll, please)...an Obak
hit!  Finding an Obak card that I still need is big news for me as I only
have 21 to go (inluding one incoming).  That made my day and I'm glad it did
because other than the Obak, I didn't find much.  Don't cry for me though...I
have a tee time tomorrow at 8:18 and the Shriner's show is only two months

Dealers I spoke to said they did well yesterday.  A couple also mentioned
some Ken Morganti sightings yesterday too.  Somehow, I don't think this is a
coincidence :-)

Happy Collecting!

=================

To: 
Subject: stats of the year
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 11:23:30 -0700
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Barry Bonds has only 68 official at-bats with runners in scoring position this

He has 54 intentional walks.
Total 163 base on balls.
Yet he has 90 RBI and leads the majors with a .364 batting avg. and .809 slugging.

Do you think the NL is afraid?

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:50:02 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] stats of the year
To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

In a message dated 9/7/02 1:25:01 PM Central Daylight Time,
familytoad@harborside.com writes:

> Barry Bonds has only 68 official at-bats with runners in scoring position
> this year.
>  He has 54 intentional walks.
> Total 163 base on balls.
> Yet he has 90 RBI and leads the majors with a .364 batting avg. and .809
> slugging.
> Do you think the NL is afraid?

well, let's see.  his batting average has nothing to do with intentional
walks.  he can only help or hurt his batting average if he is pitched to.
same with his slugging percentage.  he has 41 home runs, which means 41 of
his RBI have nothing to do with helping the runners on base score.
therefore, he has "only" knocked in 49 runners.  and of course, you have to
subtract out those runners who scored on a homer who were on 1st base, since
they weren't in scoring position.  don't have the stats on those, but let's
say it is one third of the runners he knocked in (3 bases, seems to make
sense).  so, he has only knocked in about 33 runners.

only?  in 68 at bats?  is the national league afraid?  they ought to be --
juiced ball or not, like hi or not, bonds may very well be the greatest all
around hitter of all time!

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:27:53 EDT
Subject: Availables
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Ok, here are some remnants of this year's National...OBC Rules apply...

60 Leaf- 71- Herzog
68T- 1 (bat ldrs), 544 (mayo smith)
60T-23,26,30,56,67,76,107,178 (grey),197(grey),233,341 (grey),378
(2),397,432,463 (grey)
56T- 19 (Billy Herman)
57T- 201 (Sandy Amoros)

Is anyone doing 72 OPC?  I won a nice lot and I'm pulling the Mets and Yanks,
which leaves a bunch leftover...let me know what you need.

Also, been thinking about the talk of an all-OBC set.  I was thinking of the
blue/red backs, but that would be a truly lifetime task, so I'm thinking of
subsets like 60s Topps Embossed or Foldups.  Any opinions on this?

Ok, Hopefully, I'll get the rest in order and have my lists updated before
the end of the year!

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:15:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: My very first OBC post
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I'm not certain if I have bad luck when I join a club.
Last year, I joined another trading club (VCT) and
officially became a member on Sept. 11th.  As a native
New Yorker (who now calls sunny Florida home), my mind
wasn't really on cards.

Last week, I was honored to find out that I have
become a member of this esteemed group...and my
computer promptly crashed.

I swear I heard the thing give me a Bronx cheer as it
went down for the last time.

After several hours tyring to reformat my hard drive
(read: hours spent cursing at and threatening my PC),
I finally got back up and found some 150 messages to
sort through.  What a first impression!

While my computer was down, I recieved several great
welcome packets from OBC members.  I'll give out my
thanks in a separate email.

I am a soon-to-be 30 year old collector.  My
collecting interests range from Topps and Bowman back
through tobacco issues.  I also am working on pre-1990
Pittsburgh Steeler cards, as well as the Star Wars
sets that got me to start collecting, back in 1978.

As a collector, I'm not picky about condition.  While
I see a few good reasons for professionally graded
cards, I have (so far) refused to own one.  I collect
for fun -- not profit -- and tend to get testy when
friends and neighbors ask me how much my cards are

I have a web site that is entirely devoted to vintage
baseball cards, which I spend a lot of free time
messing with.  Some of you are familiar with it, as
many links to my site can be found on the OBC web
site.  At the present time, the sets featured in my
site span from 1895 Mayo Cut Plug to 1958 Topps, and
new sets get added from time to time.  I also have a
couple of pages devoted to the histories of both the
cards and the hobby.  Finally, I put out a
semi-regular (every 3 weeks) newsletter to keep
visitors updated abut the site.  If you haven't taken
a look, feel free to check it out:

http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/

I am also a veteran of the U.S. Army, and served
during Desert Storm.  I am also a graduate of the
State University of New York, with a BS degree in
communications (it's a BS in B.S.).  I once was a
radio DJ but needed to actually support my family; now
I work for my local cable company as a service
technician.  I have a wife (who doesn't understand why
I still hold on to a kid's hobby, but she's
supportive) and a young daughter.

Now that you know a little about me, I'm looking
forward to knowing more about the people in this
group.  Thank you for allowing me to be a part.

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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=================

Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:58:19 EDT
Subject: Oddball Availables
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jceru8600@aol.com

Hello out there in OBC land,

It's nice to be back!!!

I was just sorting some cards and came across these oddballs.  Hoping these
cards find a happy home!

1962 Bazooka - Jim Landis
1971 Bazooka Numbered Set - #21 Bill Melton
1975 Hostess - #50 Amos Otis
1976 Hostess - #119 Bucky Dent, #139 Mike Torrez, #140 Jerry Morales
1978 Hostess - #107 Bill Campbell
1980 Kellogg's - #2 Mike Schmidt
1981 Kellogg's - #43 Larry Bowa
1969 Milton Bradley - Nelson Briles, Campaneris, Joe Foy, Jim Hart, Sonny
Jackson, Lee May, Bobby Tolan
1970 Milton Bradley - Tony Taylor
1969 Nabisco Team Flakes - Jim Fregosi, Bill Freehan
1962 Stamps Singles - Benny Daniels, Jim O'toole
1962 Stamps Panel - Ken Boyer & Tito Francona
1964 Topps Coins - #71 Gary Peters
1965 Topps Embossed - #60 Chuck Hinton, #61 Bob Aspromonte, #28 Ron Santo
1968 Topps Game - #17 Mike McCormick
1969 Topps Stamps 4-panel - Tom Tresh, Joe Torre, Lee May, Jackie Hernandez
1970 Topps Story Booklet - #6 Bill Freehan
1971 Topps Coins - #73 Gaylord Perry

FCFS, but priority given to folks who actually have these on their wantlist

Take care, Joe

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] stats of the year
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:41:03 -0700
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Good points Gary, just the kind of discussion I was prompting !

To further stir the pot, here are just a few of the deeper, inside numbers:

Bonds has hit 5 home runs with just a runner on first.
His actual total RBI with runners in scoring position is 48 in 69 AB.

He knocks 'em in when he gets the chance, but look at this :

With runner(s) on and firstbase open, he has approached the dish 76  times,but
was walked an astounding 49 times, only getting 27 AB in those situations.
 The teams clearly will not pitch to Barry.

The man is having a season to remember, you just have to dig into the reason
he doesn't have 73 HR's this year.

But , alas, he doesn't play for the Phillies, so I have to admire him from afar.
Last season, playing Fantasy baseball against one of oldest and dearest friends,
he mocked me for choosing Bonds and Ichiro as two of my outfielders....I
got both league MVP's out of it !!

I'm not even playing this year, but the "I TOLD YOU SO " is still happening!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Smartalecx@aol.com
To: familytoad@harborside.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] stats of the year

In a message dated 9/7/02 1:25:01 PM Central Daylight Time, familytoad@harborside.com

Barry Bonds has only 68 official at-bats with runners in scoring position
this year.

He has 54 intentional walks.
Total 163 base on balls.
Yet he has 90 RBI and leads the majors with a .364 batting avg. and .809

Do you think the NL is afraid?

well, let's see.  his batting average has nothing to do with intentional walks.
he can only help or hurt his batting average if he is pitched to.  same
with his slugging percentage.  he has 41 home runs, which means 41 of his
RBI have nothing to do with helping the runners on base score.  therefore,
he has "only" knocked in 49 runners.  and of course, you have to subtract
out those runners who scored on a homer who were on 1st base, since theyweren't
in scoring position.  don't have the stats on those, but let's sayit
is one third of the runners he knocked in (3 bases, seems to make sense).
 so, he has only knocked in about 33 runners.

only?  in 68 at bats?  is the national league afraid?  they ought to be --
juiced ball or not, like hi or not, bonds may very well be the greatest all
around hitter of all time!

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 00:49:47 EDT
Subject: Re: barry bonds
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com

the gauntlet has been raised (is that right?):  is barry bonds the greatest
all around hitter ever?

the list of candidates is somewhat small.  you have, as i see it:

babe ruth
ted williams
mike schmidt
hank aaron
willie mays
stan musial
frank robinson
mickey mantle
lou gehrig
.....and barry

my vote goes to hammerin' hank--not only the all time hr leader but he did a
lot of it during a period where pitching was dominant.  i think they guys who
played in the 60's and had big years were more frightening than the guys from
the 30's.  hitters ruled in the 30's, not so in the 60's.

my .02

=================

To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" 
Subject: appreciations
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:04:38 -0700
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

Thanks out to these fine gents:

Joe Isaac - a hit to the '66 birth year set and two hits to the '78 set - Jim
Kaat and Joaquin Andujar.  Thanks Joe!

Erik Greenwood - Erik stuns me with a great assortment of cards - '70s of Fergie
Jenkins and All Stars Rose and Carew, '66 Charlie Smith, a '74 Frank Robbie,
a '73 Twins team and '71s of Garvey, Cubs team and Orioles team.  The
'71 Cubs team is my favorite Cubs' floating heads cards because of the "signatures."
 These cards are great, thanks Erik

Richard Kimball - the Fugitive hits a list that I think will never be complete.
Psix whopping hits to the psycho pseventy-two pset!!  All of them In Action
and unbelievably all high numbers.  Foli, Blefary, Gallagher, Kaat, Griffin
and Corrales.  Also included were two '78s, Andujar and a checklist.
 Wow, thank you Richard!!

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 01:45:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds
To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

you missed Ty Cobb ...and he was a jerk like Bonds. - Doug

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 02:16:58 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Cobb belongs on the list.   But Bonds?   He's had two or three awesome years.
I know it sounds like I'm downplaying his accomplishments but he has no
one to hit behind him in the Giants lineup.   To me, thats why he's getting
walked even more often than last year.    Maybe last year was the greatest
single season ever, but I don't think that means he's the greatest all around
hitter.   He's morphed from a guy with speed to one with power which no
one else has ever done.

Has anyone seen any recent sabermetric studies (from Bill James or Pete Palmer)
showing where Bonds stacks up in a single season or lifetime comparison?
Any standard of measurement is arbitrary to me but its still a fun debate.
I just finished reading a book which I do NOT recommend which takesa
look at the discussion of who is the greatest hitter of all time.   To the
author, "greatest hitter" means hitter for average.   I think that's toonarrow
a definition.    Then he makes a bunch of statistical adjustments to
lifetime records and comes up with TONY GWYNN as number one.   Sorry Rex,but
that's too much for me to agree with.

My two cents.

ps If anyone finds a used copy (for about $10) of the new Bill James Historical
Abstract, I'd love to buy it.   I can't find it at the library yet andbookstores
are asking for $40+     On second thought, I'll wait for it to come
out at the library.   Shipping iwill cost half as much as the book so its
not worth it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: DSH46@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds

you missed Ty Cobb ...and he was a jerk like Bonds. - Doug
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 03:23:35 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: ALL TIME GREATEST
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

Ty Cobb may have been a jerk but he is still one of the greatest of his
time.   Babe Ruth was more dominant over his peers than any player in
any sport that I can think of "off hand", although Edwin Moses (hurdles)
won over 100 races in a row I think (right Ed?)  As far as "total"
offense in the last 40 years,  Bonds is probably #1 in my book.  I bet
Linda will throw in a vote for Canseco .    I
still can't believe McGwire retired :-(  And what about Barry Sanders &
how close he was to the rushing record :-(  I thought for sure he'd be
back!  Oh well, GO BRAVES!

Al "399" Kaline

=================

To: "Steve Rittenberg" ,
Subject: Bill James on Bonds
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:53:40 -0500
From: "tim newcomb" 

Funny you should mention that, Steve.  I had felt about Bonds much as you do
below until I read Bill James' updated Historical Baseball Abstract, which
is an amazing book.  In it he ranked Bonds as the 3rd greatest left fielder
of all time, behind only Williams and Musial, and the 16th greatest player
of all time.  And that was done BEFORE the 2001 season.   I can only imagine
where he'd place him now-- I bet he'd be top ten by now--.

Get that book, guys, if you like the stat stuff as I do--

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Rittenberg
To: DSH46@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Traderdoug@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds

Cobb belongs on the list.   But Bonds?   He's had two or three awesome years.
I know it sounds like I'm downplaying his accomplishments but he hasno
one to hit behind him in the Giants lineup.   To me, thats why he's getting
walked even more often than last year.    Maybe last year was the greatest
single season ever, but I don't think that means he's the greatest allaround
hitter.   He's morphed from a guy with speed to one with power which
no one else has ever done.

Has anyone seen any recent sabermetric studies (from Bill James or Pete Palmer)
showing where Bonds stacks up in a single season or lifetime comparison?
Any standard of measurement is arbitrary to me but its still a fun debate.
I just finished reading a book which I do NOT recommend which takes
a look at the discussion of who is the greatest hitter of all time.   Tothe
author, "greatest hitter" means hitter for average.   I think that's too
narrow a definition.    Then he makes a bunch of statistical adjustmentsto
lifetime records and comes up with TONY GWYNN as number one.   Sorry Rex,
but that's too much for me to agree with.

My two cents.

ps If anyone finds a used copy (for about $10) of the new Bill James Historical
Abstract, I'd love to buy it.   I can't find it at the library yet and
bookstores are asking for $40+     On second thought, I'll wait for it to
come out at the library.   Shipping iwill cost half as much as the book so
its not worth it.

----- Original Message -----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: DSH46@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds

you missed Ty Cobb ...and he was a jerk like Bonds. - Doug

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:51:14 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: barry bonds
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- Dave- (dsh46@aol.com) posted a list of candidates for
greatest all around hitter and picked his choice Aaron over Bonds- My pick is
Mickey Mantle as the greatest all around hitter- After all, he hit balls all
around Yankee Stadium and balls all around other ball parks too- some out of
them-doesn't that make him the greatest All- Around hitter? Or to put in my 1
and a half cents worth- 1 Mantle 546 footer = 73 Bonds wimpers- Linda

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Availables: 60's traded cards
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 18:22:21 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

At the National, I bought a huge box of CRAP.   About 2,000 cards were in the
box, each of which has writing on them.   You know the type -- the infamous
"traded cards" from the 50s and 60s.   I let OBCers have at them on a couple
of occasions.   A few were picked out but much is left.

So here's the deal:  if you want me to send you some "traded" cards, send your
list to the server.   With so many guys in OBC, its become a chore to go
through everyone's list.  Besides, I don't know who minds getting these beauties.
I personally have mixed feelings about cards with writing on them.
I suppose they'd make a nice subset on their own, but I prefer to upgrade
them when the opportunity is there.

There is a nice mix of cards from about 1957 through 1980.   There are still
one or two stars left -- I forgot who (if anyone) took the '57 Berra and F.
Robinson at the National.

Hope to hear from some of you soon.

=================

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 19:37:16 -0400
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 60s traded
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Hi Steve,

I don't mind getting 60s traded cards, I can always use them as filler or can send them out to needy folks.

=================

Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 16:46:26 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: list help needed
From: 

I am starting a few new sets. I want to collect Seattle Rainiers cards. So Far
I have found cards from 4 sets but I do not have a checklist for any of them.
The Sets are Obak (T212), Mother's Cookies, Union Oil, and Seattle Popcorn. If
you have a source for minor league set list let me know. Thanks
Big Al in Seattle

=================

To: 
Subject: Traded Before Their Time
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:55:08 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Steve...good idea having guys send their beater lists. Some sets we want
nice, some we don't care. The following, I just don't care about condition,
just having one would be nice.

1955 Bowman Want List (any condition)
1 10 15 16 20 21 23 25 37 38 39 40 46 57 60 64 65 74 75 84 97 98 112 116 124
130 134 137 141 143 158 159 160 168 169 170 171 179 184 201 202 213 226 227
228 229 231 233 234 235 237 238 239 240 242 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253
255 256 257 258 260 261 262 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 273 274 275 276 277
278 279 282 285 286 287 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 302
303 305 306 307 308 309 311 312 313 314 315 317 318 320

1956 Topps (Dec. 26th/2001-beaters only please!)
4 5 6 7 10 11 12 13 14 16 17 20 24 26 29 30 31 33 35 36 38 41 42 44 45 47
48 55 56 58 61
63 64 67 68 69 71 74 76 78 79 81 83 84 85 88 89 90 92 93 94 95 99 101 107
108 109 110 111
112 113 114 115 117 121 122 123 124 126 127 128 129 130 131 135 136 138 139
140 142 143 146 147 148 149 150 152 153 154 155 156 158 159 161 163 164 165
166 167 168 169 172 173 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 185 186 187 188
189 190 191 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 202 204 205 208 209 210 213 214 215
217 218 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237
238 240 241 242 244 245 246 248 250 251 252 253 254 257 258 260 263 266 267
268 269 270 271 273 282 283 284 287 288 291 292 295 299 302 306 307 308 310
311 312 313 316 319 321 322 324 329 332 335 336 337 338 340

1959 Topps (Around G)
1 20 30 37 40 50 60 69 76 90 102 117 128 147 149 150 154 160 163 166 179 186
200 202 203 208 212 215 228 234 237 251 252 255 259 260 264 268 270 273 279
287 292 306 318 319 329 338 350 357 360 383 403 408 439 450 461 462 464 465
467 468 470 495 505 507 509 514 515 518 519 522 523 525 527 528 531 532 533
537 542 543 550 551 552 554 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 565 566 568 571

1960 Topps (G) High Priority
227 377 420 443 455 458 459 499 507 515 522 523 547 553 554 555 557 558 559
561 563 564 566 570 571 (&%#$@ Hi #'s!)

1960 Fleer (G-VG)  3(Ruth) 26 47 50 53

1961 Topps (G) High Priority
344 455 460 471 477 478 480 482 484 485 524 525 526 528 529 530 532 533 535
538 539 543 544 545 546 551 554 557 558 560 563 565 566 567 570 571 572 573
575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 (high numbers are killing

=================

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 00:52:35 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1952 Brooklyn Dodgers
From: "kevin71058" 

Hi all,

I am looking for the person that sent me the beautiful Brooklyn
Dodger Photo

There was no name or message with this picture but what a great shot
of the Brooklyn Dodgers team.

The only thing I have is a post mark - DURYEA P.A

Please let me know if it was you who sent this picture.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Cards for Danielle
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:13:13 +0000
From: 

Last week, my boss came to me with a strange request. He and his family love
travelling to the States on holiday every year - New England in particular -
and it seems that his 12 year old daughter had asked him about baseball
cards. She had read about this peculiar American hobby, and asked her
Dad if he knew where she could get some. He in turn came to me, and asked if
I had any cards that Danielle could have. I said I'd have a look and get
back to him.

Next day, I handed him a box of about 300 cards, mostly UV stuff from the
mid to late '90s. He was a bit stumped by this, as he expected perhaps a
half dozen or so. As it turns out, Danielle was really pleased with this
package, and has spent the past week reading them and sorting them out.
Today, I received a handwritten card from her, thanking me for giving her a
"great introduction to baseball cards".

My reason for passing this story on to you is this. I'd like to pass a few
more cards on to Danielle, and was hoping that some of those among you who
collect newer stuff might have a few dupes to pass along. I think Danielle
would get a real kick out of receiving some cards direct from the States.
More to the point, it'd be nice to give her some cards of players with names
that she might recognise from TV.

I'd be happy to pass on anything you can spare to her. I'm sure Danielle
would be very appreciative of anything coming her way.

Cheers for now!

Glenn Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

Ps Additionally, this helps me to score points with the boss!!

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:13:30 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards for Danielle
To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Perhaps you could drop us Danielle's address...I think it might be fun for
her to not only recieve cards, but to recieve them from overseas...I don't
mind paying a couple of bucks to have her recieve cards from California.

=================

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 19:39:21 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Misc. rambling
From: "mikesportsfan" 

I received an E-mail from Iggy earlier today.  For those that do not
know, Iggy hass hurt his hand and can barely type.  Maybe we should
all send him cards with sharp edges, to give him some more paper
cuts!  Iggy was responding to me harrassing him for driving up the
price of an Ebay lot.  I wasa the opening bidder and put in a  max
bid about 50% over the minimum bid price.  Iggy had set up his sniper
bidding when he saw the lot and it ended up driving up the price to
me about $15.  Iggy had not checked the lot again to see that there
was a bid and it was by a fellow OBCer.  There has been many posts
about sniper programs and Ebay bidding.  I do not know if anyone else
has mentioned this problem.  By waiting and using the shiper software
we may be bidding against other members of the group.  I know myself
and many others, will not bid against other members of OBC.  Just
something to think about.
To most people the NFL season just started.  Here in Detroit, other
than seeing the new Ford Field, there is already a wait until next
year mentality.  Tigers and Lions.  Hard to believe we have Comerica
Park and Ford Field and they put those teams out there to play.
Thank G-d for the Red Wings and the Pistons are OK as well.
Ernie Harwell retiring.  I feel sorry for any true BB fan who has NOT
heard Ernie announce a game.  I fell asleep to his voice many times
as a kid in the late 60s and early 70s.  I have previously posted
Rambles about going to Ernie's house and meeting him and his wife,
Lulu.  A true gentleman and an incredible ambassador for the game.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 18:47:26 -0400 (EDT)
To: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards for Danielle
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Good idea Josh, I think Danielle would get a kick out of getting cards
from across the US.
Glenn, a few years ago my daughter Kelli lost a baby at 7 1/2 months.
The plan was to name her Danielle. It would be a real pleasure to sent
Danielle some cards.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 19:57:52 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Question for seller -- Item #1848901762
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Beware of this ebay seller.

=================

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 21:19:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Question for seller -- Item #1848901762
To: brockhattox@cs.com
From: Mark S Talbot 
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT


Thanks for the heads-up Brock,

    I've seen his stuff before - it's a shame that a
few "bad" sellers can make eBay such a scary place.  Most of the time
sellers are happy to work out little problems but it looks like you found
the exception - that Dawg won't be getting my business.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

brockhattox@cs.com wrote:

 Beware
of this ebay seller.

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Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1848901762

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 17:42:53 -0400

From: "Trevor Arsenault" <tebor_dawg6969@hotmail.com>

To: brockhattox@cs.com

Hi,
There was no crease in any of my 1934 Goudey cards when I sold them!  As I 
do in all of my auctions I describe my cards exactly, and there was no 
crease in it, there may of been a small stain on the top rear of the card 
and that is it.  I do not offer refunds on any ungraded cards
with no exceptions.  I am terribly sorry that this crease could of happened 
in the mail? if you say it is there, however none of my cards that I sell 
had creases before they were sent, therefore i do not know how it could of 
got there or else I would have described it with a crease and in good 
condition, not NM.

How about the other card you recieved? I believe it was a Collins 1934' 

>From: brockhattox@cs.com
>To: tebor_dawg6969@hotmail.com
>Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1848901762
>Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 12:50:46 PDT
>I received the two 1934 Goudey cards that I won in your auctions today.   
>The Hallahan card is nowhere near being in NM condition with a crease 
>completely across the center of the card.   I would be willing to keep it 
>and be satisfied if you were willing to return part of the purchase price, 
>or send another card.  What would you propose that we do to make this 
>Question from:           ecru
>Title of item:           1934' GOUDEY BILL HALLAHAN #82 **NMMNT**
>Seller:                  gkis
>Starts:                  Aug-04-02 11:05:50 PDT
>Ends:                    Aug-14-02 11:05:50 PDT
>Price:                   Currently $37.00
>To view the item, go to: 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1848901762
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:24:46 EDT
Subject: V03 Dates
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com

Mark you calendar now, dates for V03...

May 23-25, 2003

Rest well,

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:00:34 EDT
Subject: Non-sport help please
To: obc_ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com

I picked up some of the USEFUL BIRDS OF AMERICA series at an auction tonight
and wondered if anyone has any information on them.  I picked up three cards
from the 3rd series, fourteen out of the fifteen cards in the 7th series and
a complete set of the 8th series (many in NM condition)

Any help would be appreciated, plus feel free to let me know if you are
interested in them.  I don't collect non-sport but I know some of you do, so
I suppose I picked them up for you guys.   Condition varies, but I would say
all of them are VG or better (not including the writing on the back of one of
them) and most are in the EX range.

Mark T206Guy Atnip

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, topgolf@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 20:28:54 -0700
From: "Geno Wagner" 

I believe that is a birthday weekend for me and Trips - maybe we'll be half
rubber team captains.  Everyone Jan 1 - May 24 on the young guy's team and
all the old farts on Trips' May 24 - Dec 31 team...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

> [Original Message]
> From: 
> To: 
> Date: 9/9/2002 7:25:00 PM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
> Mark you calendar now, dates for V03...
> May 23-25, 2003
> Rest well,
> Mike
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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:34:36 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Topgolf@aol.com
From: tply@aol.com

Geno - It will be an honor to celebrate our birthday kicking your teams  butt
in half rubber:-)! I am sure Mike will come up with some inovative way to
stick me on a team  to incrase the odds! It will be interesting to see how
this develops!

=================

To: 
Subject: interesting ebay
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 23:44:43 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

Here's one that may interest.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1856882857

Greg (yaz)

=================

To: tply@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:54:20 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
From: Peter Iversen 

RE: VEGAS '03 HALF-RUBBER

Marc Peter Reyna Iversen AKA: Marcpeter@juno.com - BD: February 18th,
1953 (not sure but I think that makes me an 'old fart' on the Young Guy's

Veteran of Vegas 98, 99, 00, 01 and 02 - and holder of the "Longest Ball
Hit" or "Farthest Half-Ball Hit" or "Only Ball Hit That Night In
Semidarkness And So No One Could Tell Where It Landed" Award is proud to
announce his intention to be on whichever team that needs his swift and
stealthy hitting style the most - that is if I can get past Barstow in
less than three hours this time out....

PS - Mike: Isn't it almost time to put the ribs on and get them burning
for Joe and me?

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=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:09:38 -0700
Subject: Mark Talbot's e-mail address...
From: Peter Iversen 

I have been having trouble with Mark's e-mail address:

Did I miss a change of some kind....?  Anyone who has some info please
let me know.

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 01:30:01 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: marcpeter@juno.com
From: tply@aol.com

Peter - Consider this a recruitment effort! After looking at your BIOS and
witnessing the "Bomb" in person I am sure you have a place on my team! Don't
try to pitch or field just hit'em!

And I am sure Geno will agree you being just two years younger than me puts
you with the Old Hats!

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 03:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
To: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Brock's ebay Item #1848901762/ Domino Disc PX-7 Wilson-Pitt
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

He has already left positive feedback for both cards.  I'd tell him to
send back at least $5 or he gets his 1st negative.  That is, IF you are
"sure" the pkg wasn't damaged & he actually sent the card with a crease
already in it.  I've never left a negative feedback & never rcvd one but
I have suggested a deal like this about 4 times & in all 4 cases I rcvd
a full refund or the partial refund I requested.  I know that going from
NM to VG is worth more than $5 so it's a great deal for him to spare 2
possible negatives.  Of course $5 is worth far more to me than to you
but it's the principle of the thing.  If the card really was shipped
creased, you "should" leave a negative (esp since you can't get 1 back)
to warn future bidders who aren't in OBC or VCT.  Plus 2 months from now
how many of us will even remember his ID?   Nobody ever established a
page of bad sellers to OBC or VCT people did they?  In other words, we
may end up bidding of some of his stuff later unless the 1 negative you
leave throws up a flag or reminder for us.  At the very least I hope you
give him a neutral and say SENT VG CARD LISTED AS MINT/REFUSED $5 REBATE
ON $40.  But give him one last chance :-)
I mailed out 3 pkgs last week but still have about 11 more to go to
be fully caught up.
I have a Domino Disc (PX-7?) Wilson Pitt from 1909 or so (I don't
have it or the SCD book in front of me) that I'd swap for a T206 Sid
Smith Atlanta (any cond) or any ED SUMMERS tobacco card in ANY
condition.  There's another Atlanta T206 guy I want but I can't remember
his name (it's on my eccentric want list below).  I got it from
DoubleHeaders many yrs ago for about $14-$17.  I'll also accept hits to
the lists of:  Lynn Miller, Wayne Delia, Bob D'Angelo or Bob Donaldson!
Email me for more info or a photo (of the disc, not the guys!).  Put on
your UV protective specs before clicking!  Go Sooners!
=============================
http://members.ebay.com/AboutMe/KeithSummers

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Cards for Danielle
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 8:48:58 +0000
From: 

Thanks to all of you who responded to my appeal for cards for my boss’s daughter! A few of you have asked about sending stuff straight to her, and I thought that rather than reply to you all individually, I’d lay out the situation here.

My boss is a fairly private man who tends to keep his family life quite distinctly separate from work. To be honest, I would feel awkward in asking him for his home address. Indeed, it’s something I’d rather not do. Therefore, here is what I propose.

If you have anything that you’d like to send to Danielle, simply post it to me and put a letter “D” on the back of the envelope. I’ll pass anything like that on to her. Because of her family’s annual vacations in the northeastern US, I’m led to believe that Danielle has an affinity for the Red Sox and the Yankees. Also, bear in mind that it’s really newer stuff that would be most welcome, so that she can tie up the names on the cards with the players mentioned in what little coverage we get over here. Slightly older stuff will not go amiss though!

It’ll be some time before you hear how this little project has gone, since I’m on vacation from the 13th of September until the Oct. 7th, but I’ll get back to you with some news as soon as I can!

Cheers for now!
Glenn Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:10:29 EDT
Subject: 9/11 candle
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

Hello to all my OBC friends and family. Usually we post only sports stuff on
the ramblings...today i am asking a favor. Tomarrow Morning at 2 am I will be
marching from 220/Broadway in NYC to ground Zero, 16 miles. I ask that you
guys keep me in your heart and think of all of us who will be down there. If
possible at midnight tonight going into the 11th can we all light candles for
our fellow Americans,Brother Firefighters,Brother Police officers, and
brother EMTs/Paramedics who were lost that day?
Thank YOu
ROBERT GIOIA

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:09:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Address Change reminder
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Paul Biggs 

I've received a few notes the past few days about packages being returned to sender from my old address. I sincerely apologize for this mix-up. I sent the message below to the group on August 6. The directory has also not yet been changed.
I had to move a few months ago because of a marriage break-up. I had thought my ex-wife would have kept my mail for me and sent it over with the kids, but apparently that's not happening. Just another of the many stab wounds I've had to endure from her. I am sorry that the packages got sent back.
Anyway, my new address is:
Paul Biggs
1211-814 Allegheny Drive
Winnipeg, Manitoba CANADA
R3T 5L2
Thanks everybody for your understanding. Please make sure you use my new address for any packages you send my way.
Paul Biggs
Paul Biggs wrote:
Hello all,

Most of you have probably not heard of me yet, as I have just become a member last month. Unfortunately, my membership to the group was approved just as I have had to start dealing with a separation from my wife (and my kids, kind of).

To make a long story really short, I've moved, everything is packed in boxes, and most of my lists are on the computer at my ex's place. I'm kind of disorganized right now, and I don't have the opportunity or the inclination to do anything with cards at the moment. I'm way out in left field, so to speak.

So, I just wanted to apologize to you all for not participating in the group thus far and I wanted to let everyone know that there is a reason - I'd really like to be involved in the group. I hope you'll bear with me and I should be back in action soon.

I also have an address change to report - I'm not sure where I should be sending it, but hopefully it'll get to the right person from here.

My new address is:

Paul Biggs

1211 - 814 Allegheny Drive

Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada

R3T 5L2

Thanks everyone for your patience and I hope to trade with all of you really soon.

Best regards,

Paul Biggs

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Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 12:16:48 EDT
Subject: Oakland: new quarterback
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

The Coach had put together the perfect team for the Oakland Raiders.  The
only thing he was missing was a good quarterback. He had scouted all the
colleges, and even the high schools, but he couldn't find a ringer
quarterback who could ensure a Super Bowl win.

Then one night, while watching CNN, he saw a war-zone scene in Afghanistan
In one corner of the background, he spotted a young Afghanistan soldier with
a truly incredible arm.  He threw a hand grenade straight into a 3rd-story
window 200 yards away, KA-boom!  He threw another
hand grenade into a group of 10 soldiers 100 yards away, KA-blooey!  Then
a car passed, going 90 mph, bulls-eye!  "What an arm!"

So, he brings him to the States and teaches him the great game of football,
and the Raiders go on to win the Super Bowl for yet another time in history.
The young Afghani is hailed as the Great Hero of football, and when Coach
asks him what he wants, all the young man wants to do is to call his mother.

"Mom," he says into the phone, "I just won the Super Bowl!"  "I don't want
to talk to you," the old woman says.  "You deserted us.  You are not my son."
"I don't think you understand, Mother!" the young man pleads.  "I just won
the greatest sporting event in the world. I'm here among thousands of my
adoring fans."

"No, let me tell you," his mother retorts.  "At this very moment, there
are gunshots all around us.  The neighborhood is a pile of rubble.  Your two
brothers were beaten within an inch of their lives last week, and this week
your sister was raped in broad daylight."

The old lady pauses, and then tearfully says, "I'll never forgive you for
making us move to Oakland."

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: ..And the winner is.....
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:53:40 +0100
From: "Glenn Codere" 

The winner of the 1969 Tiger Yearbook is........Paul Biggs!!

Paul's guess as to how many cards I'd receive from OBC last week (28) proved
to be closer than Jeff Sinclair's (35). The actual number was.........0!

Damned bad luck, Jeff! Paul, the yearbook will be in the mail to you as soon
as I retrieve it from it's current residence in Phoenix next week!

Cheers for now!

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:40:46 -0500
From: "David Kolenda" 

Geno and All.   I can live with that.  Mike lives on a dead end street with
no traffic.  I can play on Trips team.   JUST DON'T MAKE ME PLAY GOLF WITH
HIM ON SAT.

"what goes around, comes around"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Geno Wagner" 
To: ; 
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:28 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates

> I believe that is a birthday weekend for me and Trips - maybe we'll be
> rubber team captains.  Everyone Jan 1 - May 24 on the young guy's team and
> all the old farts on Trips' May 24 - Dec 31 team...
> Geno Wagner
> illini90@earthlink.net
> Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.
> > [Original Message]
> > From: 
> > To: 
> > Date: 9/9/2002 7:25:00 PM
> > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
> >
> >
> > Mark you calendar now, dates for V03...
> >
> > May 23-25, 2003
> >
> > Rest well,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:00:43 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: Seattle List
From: 

I got many great responces and a lot of help toward a list of the Seattle Team
sets. I did make an error saying I wanted Rainier teams, as some of the older
sets predated the name Rainiers. The Obak and Zeenut sets included the Seattle
Indians, I think they were called then. Anyway I am looking for Seattle Teams
sets in those 2 or more sets also. I will post what I have so far on the home
page soon, after one other project is done.
Big Al in Seattle

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:05:47 -0700
To: topgolf@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
From: 

What?!?  It is in May this year? If I only would have a little more warning,
now I might be late getting there. Do I still have time to book a seat at the
rib fest? Has the city done anything on the lighting in Fuente Field? Will
there be a lousier golfer than Rick? Will Ken make any money on the Slots? The
return of Joe and Joel will also mean trouble at Railroad Pass. They will have
to break out the extra $100 they had saved to pay the winners.
Big Al in Seattle

On Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:24:46 EDT topgolf@aol.com wrote:

Mark you calendar now, dates for V03...

May 23-25, 2003

Rest well,

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Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 17:45:01 -0500
To: 0ramblings 
Subject: Phillies at Busch
From: Rick & Deb 

OBC Friends...the only bad part about my annual trek to St. Louis for
the Phillies series was that I didn't get to meet with Kent Goto.  The
rest was pretty good.  Especially since the Phils SWEPT the Cards!
Unbeleivable!!  The last time I went it was the other way around.  The
strangest thing about the trip this year was that I took a friend.  It's
usually a solo, mini-getaway for me.  He came up from Texas and drove
out with me to see his Cardinals and take me down memory lane in his
hometown of Red Bud, IL.
The first game was the best.  Extra innings (14)!  That was really cool
considering we managed to sneak down into the box seats in the 8th.  The
coolest thing happened before that game.  We were watching the Phillies
take batting practice.  There were people standing behind the dugout.
As I was walking around them, there was a "gap" in the line of people.
There I stood, wearing my Phillies shirt and hat, right in the line of
sight of John Vukovich, standing on the top step of the dugout.  I
raised my hand and said, "Hi Vuke."  He nodded and smiled, then reached
in his back pocket and tossed me a ball.  I raised my hand again and
said, "Thanks Vuke!"  I was the envy of everyone around me.  It was a
really cool moment.  The ball is now on display at The Kansas Phillies
Phoundation (my basement).  To look at it is one thing....to hear me
tell the story as you look at it is another thing.  I'm a lucky boy.
Next year, Kent and I WILL get together.

Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas (Ph03)

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:51:48 EDT
Subject: V03 date corrections
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com

A change in the V03 dates...the 23-25 dates would put us  in the Memorial Day
weekend, not a good (expense wise) time to be in Vegas.  New dates coming

Rest well,

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 15:52:34 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: Tply warning
From: 

I yuk it up as much as any of you when it comes to Rick. I feel it is my duty
as an OBC'er to warn everyone of the power that Mr Rick Ellison has at his
disposal. He works for the US government as a Custom Agent, at least that is
his cover story. He is really one of the top operatives in the country and can
do things do you at any moment and you might not ever put 2 and 2 together. He
can be anywhere on any given day. He only needs to make a quick phone call and
you will not cross a border, take a flight or file your taxes without drawing
"special" attention. He also is an expert computer operator that can tap into
any system and mess with your e-mail, your bank accounts and your E-bay and
Paypal accounts. There are very few people alive who know this information
about Mr. Ellison and If I do not show up at V'03, you will know why. This
might be the last chance I get to warn the group to beware of what you say as
the ears have walls??
author unknown in Seattle

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 18:01:41 -0500
To: 0ramblings 
Subject: CoolPix 9/10
From: Rick & Deb 

Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)...

Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool.
Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool.

Below is a link to a cool baseball picture.
Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's
cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it.
Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is.
If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures"
folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself)
I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings
subscribers on a semi-regular basis.
(I promise they won't ALL be Phillies)

LAST CoolPix: Stan Musial's 3000th hit
THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg

You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can.

Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:51:28 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

OK if I move to Denver.  I dont have any reason not to go  so as of now
pencil me in BTW how much is the golf insurance in Nevada:-)

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:15:50 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9/11 candle
To: Celenox@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Date:   9/10/2002 7:11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 07:10:29 EDT
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 9/11 candle
=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 20:56:18 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Calendar marked...circled, creased, pinholed, etc. (definitely tipton mint)

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:25:02 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

In a message dated 9/10/2002 4:16:08 PM Pacific Standard Time,
alcattle@earthlink.net writes:

>  yuk it up as much as any of you when it comes to Rick. I feel it is my duty
> as an OBC'er to warn everyone of the power that Mr Rick Ellison has at his
> disposal. He works for the US government as a Custom Agent, at least that
> is
> his cover story. He is really one of the top operatives in the country and
> can
> do things do you at any moment and you might not ever put 2 and 2 together.
> He
> can be anywhere on any given day. He only needs to make a quick phone call
> and
> you will not cross a border, take a flight or file your taxes without
> drawing
> "special" attention. He also is an expert computer operator that can tap
> into
> any system and mess with your e-mail, your bank accounts and your E-bay and
> Paypal accounts. There are very few people alive who know this information
> about Mr. Ellison and If I do not show up at V'03, you will know why. This
> might be the last chance I get to warn the group to beware of what you say
> as
> the ears have walls??
> author unknown in Seattle
Once again I have been tried by innuendo and convicted by rumor! Al, the many
times you have not appeared when we expected you to had nothing to do with
me! Perhaps you are the one that is a "top operative"!

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 22:06:39 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: GHAY1@aol.com

Yeah, but Mike always spikes Rick's ribs with Kryptonite and Rick becomes
milk toast.  George

=================

To: 
Subject: Al the Altered
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:32:22 -0700
From: "Diamanti" 

Well Guys and Gals:

I haven't had much to ramble about this spring or summer - been way too busy
with family, new business (coffee), and selling current home, buying new land,
arranging construction loan, etc. yadda-yadda, blah-blah.  However! Ihave
stayed current with all the OBC list servers, reading them every day in
digest form, and I just can't take it anymore - Big Al, St. Al, whateverhe
calls himself now, has gone too far....

Something happened to Al when he was under, during surgery.  Allow me to make
my case.....

Al goes to the Mike Hair Vegasfest and distinguishes himself as the OBC Spiritual
Leader. He returns home and begins to write reports - ramblings - BS-
whatever you want to tag it.  I mean LOOONNGG ramblings, Ken Morganti-esque
ramblings.  Most of you who know the OLD AL, know that he was a man of few
words, but memorable words, much like Yogi Berra in the current AFLAC commercial
(And they give you cash, which is just like money!).  Al was famous
for non-sequiturs, insane comments, and pithy remarks. Now he is approaching
War and Peace  when it comes to the printed word...What gives?

Then he goes to the National - returns home - and spews forth a 4 or 5 partRamblings
that I am still trying to understand. What could explain it?  Did
they put in the heart valve from a dead poet? Did Al see Elvis?
So some of you are thinking: maybe Al had a writer buried within him all these
years, and now he's letting it out.  I don't think so...I think it has X-Files
written all over it.  He went to Vegas and it started from there. Maybe
Al took a little side trip to Roswell....Maybe Al saw some secret weapon
the government is working on in Nevada and the agents had to do a "Men in
Black" treatment to him with the flashy strobe thing-ee.  Only it didn't take
- - it just PARTIALLY affected him, twirled him a bit, but didn't COMPLETELY
erase his memories. Changed his personality instead of blanking his memory

Why else would he type this when referring to Trips:

"He only needs to make a quick phone call and you will not cross a border, take
a flight or file your taxes without drawing "special" attention. He also
is an expert computer operator that can tap into
any system and mess with your e-mail, your bank accounts and your E-bay andPaypal
accounts. There are very few people alive who know this information."

For one thing, Trips had some lunatic hack into his Paypal account and messaround
with his 'expert computer'. How good can he be?! (By the way, no one
has seen or heard from the guy who hacked his Paypal account, but that's another
story.....) For another thing, Al is on this paranoid trip about government
agents, all powerful, etc. Get my drift here? Draw your own conclusions.....

By the way, I had a friend once who had a bad heart and needed an emergencybypass.
The gas man (anesthesiologist) had to do a quick calculation for the
intensity of the sleeping juice (they do this based on body weight, age,and
other factors) to keep my friend under.  Wellllll.....my friend was a major
druggie and had been for DECADES, so when they put him under, he didn't
STAY UNDER, and he woke up during the heart bypass surgery, only troublewas
he couldn't open his eyes or speak (had the mask and tubes taped into his
mouth) so he had to lay there while they worked in his chest.  Think about
THAT when you go in for your next surgery....

Mike DiOWEmontee

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 23:29:49 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
To: GHAY1@aol.com, alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Laughing out George! I trust this fines everyone safe!

Please have Margaret in your thoughts tomorrow as she will be returning from
Mexico, she is at Club Med or something similar for business (somebody has to
do it). While I do not fear her flying (I think Doug said it well earlier) I
do have fear some nut will cause the airports to be difficult to travel
through. If we go to Code Red, just one step up, the airports will probably
be shut down.

I have Rob and all the New Yorkers in my thoughts tonight as I have many
friends/coworkers  that lost there office at tower 7 on 9/11. Tower 7 was the
Customs House and sadly it is now gone. Old Customs Houses such as the one
here in San Francisco have significant historical value and follows the
history of this country much like our beloved baseball. I do not ever want to
hear of another one destroyed!

Be well my friends and we will all get through tomorrow and beyond together.
I better go watch some great baseball (I will be flipping from the Giants to
the A's games) to get my mind off current events! You'll gotta admit baseball
in the Bay Area, right now, is pretty exciting!

Another Baseball Quote:

"Guys in baseball are crazy. They don't understand the consequences of
hitting a man with a ball. They don't know the pain and discomfort and
downright danger to his life."

--------Willie Davis

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

To: alcattle@earthlink.net
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:34:21 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
From: Peter Iversen 

AL,   WHAT WAS THE LAST MESSAGE YOU SENT??? - SEVERAL PARTS WERE OBSCURED
XXXXX SOMEHOW....  NOT SURE WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY COMPUTER - I DID SEE A
TRUCK MARKED "US CUSTOMS" CRUISING THROUGH MY NEIGHBORHOOD A FEW MINUTES
AGO...  PETER

On Tue, XX Sep ZZ  15:52:34 -0700  XXX writes:
> I yuk it up as much as any of you when it comes to Rick. I feel it is
> my duty
> as an OBC'er to warn everyone of the XXXXX that Mr Rick Ellison has
> at his
> disposal. He works for the XXXXXX as a XXXXXX Agent, at least
> that is
> XXXXXX.  He is really one of the top XXXXXX can
> do XXXXX any moment and you might not XX. He
> can be XXX any XXX day. He only needs XXXX call and
> you will not XXXXX file your XXXXX
> without XXXXX
> "special" attention. He also is an expert XXXXX that can
> tap into
> any XXXXX mess with your e-mail, your XXXXX and your
> XXXXX and
> XXXXX accounts. There are very few people XXXX who know XXXXX
> XXXX Mr. Ellison and If I do not XXXX V'03, you will know
> XXXXX. This
> might be the XXXXX I get to warn XXXXX group XXXXX beware XXXXX what
> you say XXXXX
> XXXXX ears XXXXX  walls??
> XXXX unknown in SXXXXXXeattle

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:45:43 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 9/10/2002 6:52:57 PM Central Standard Time,
LUURSCJG@aol.com writes:

> how much is the golf insurance in Nevada:-)

No insurance company would dare insure the OBC tournament.  Remember to pause
on the 10th tee in memory of the even that made it uninsurable.  The events
are too traumatic to share ..unless of course Joel wants to share them.

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:50:27 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
To: marcpeter@juno.com, alcattle@earthlink.net
From: tply@aol.com

This is really getting funny and taking me away from my work, THANKS!!!!!!!

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:52:11 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V03 Dates
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, LUURSCJG@aol.com, Topgolf@aol.com,
From: tply@aol.com

OK, Joel now it is your turn, welcome to the torment!

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 14:29:41 +0800
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9/11 candle]
From: Lynn Miller 

Sorry, Yahoo getting bounced emails to me again, so had to reset my
Yahoo account and resending this.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 9/11 candle
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 13:39:59 +0800
From: Lynn Miller 
To: Celenox@aol.com
CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
References: <150.13c3a730.2aaf2d25@aol.com>

We just had our general membership meeting for the Veterans of Foreign
Wars Post 11447 here in Subic Bay, Philippines.  We had a special
memorial service at 12 noon our time, which would be midnight going to
the 11th your time.  It was primarily to honor all the veterans who were
lost that day in the Pentagon and WTC Towers.  This was being observed
in all VFW Posts worldwide at the same time.  As an addendum to our own
little memorial service, I mentioned you and your fellow patriots as
well in our ceremony.  And we sent a special blessing to all your
brothers who were lost and a heartfelt thanks to the real patriots that
day and in the days that followed.  You will be starting your march at
about the same time I'm sending this.  Our hearts are with you.

Celenox@aol.com wrote:

> ost only sports stuff on the ramblings...today i am asking a favor.
> Tomarrow Morning at 2 am I will be marching fr
>> Hello to all my OBC friends and family. Usually we p
> om 220/Broadway in NYC to ground Zero, 16 miles. I ask that you guys
> keep me in your heart and think of all of us who will be down there.
> If possible at midnight tonight going into the 11th can we all light
> candles for our fellow Americans,Brother Firefighters,Brother Police
> officers, and brother EMTs/Paramedics who were lost that day?
> Thank YOu
> ROBERT GIOIA
> FDNY
> 2510

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:42:04 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
From: Peter Iversen 

AL, THANKS FOR THE TIP - I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SIGN UP FOR THE VIRUS
PROTECTION PROGRAM.  I APPRECIATE YOUR BLESSINGS...  PETER  (ps: do you
think Tply may be monitoring these communications....?)

On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:50:38 -0700  writes:
> I have also been verbally attacked by one of
> those guys in
> the "virus"  protection program .  I will bless you soon with some xxx
> xx
> x
> xxx
> xxxxxxxxx
> On Tue, 10 Sep 2002 21:34:21 -0700 Peter Iversen
>  wrote:
> > AL,   WHAT WAS THE LAST MESSAGE YOU SENT??? -
> > SEVERAL PARTS WERE OBSCURED
> > XXXXX SOMEHOW....  NOT SURE WHAT IS WRONG WITH
> > MY COMPUTER - I DID SEE A
> > TRUCK MARKED "US CUSTOMS" CRUISING THROUGH MY
> > NEIGHBORHOOD A FEW MINUTES
> > AGO...  PETER
> >
> > On Tue, XX Sep ZZ  15:52:34 -0700  XXX writes:
> > > I yuk it up as much as any of you when it
> > comes to Rick. I feel it is
> > > my duty
> > > as an OBC'er to warn everyone of the XXXXX
> > that Mr Rick Ellison has
> > > at his
> > > disposal. He works for the XXXXXX as a XXXXXX
> > Agent, at least
> > > that is
> > > XXXXXX.  He is really one of the top XXXXXX
> > can
> > > do XXXXX any moment and you might not XX. He
> > > can be XXX any XXX day. He only needs XXXX
> > call and
> > > you will not XXXXX file your XXXXX
> > > without XXXXX
> > > "special" attention. He also is an expert
> > XXXXX that can
> > > tap into
> > > any XXXXX mess with your e-mail, your XXXXX
> > and your
> > > XXXXX and
> > > XXXXX accounts. There are very few people
> > XXXX who know XXXXX
> > > XXXX Mr. Ellison and If I do not XXXX V'03,
> > you will know
> > > XXXXX. This
> > > might be the XXXXX I get to warn XXXXX group
> > XXXXX beware XXXXX what
> > > you say XXXXX
> > > XXXXX ears XXXXX  walls??
> > > XXXX unknown in SXXXXXXeattle
> > >
> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:32:33 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

I also live with  a government agency (USDA) and her finding my ebay account
may be my biggest fear in life.............and I was audited once:-)

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:48:02 -0400 (EDT)
To: tply@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tply warning
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I think you are right about Al. Who else but a "Top Operative" would
develop the odd habit of sleeping in a chair and wearing headgear at
night?? Also, I think he gets people lost while driving to prevent being
tailed. Pretty slick, I'd say.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 12:38:50 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Oakland: new quarterback
To: HMorgan707@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

Maybe it is because I am reading this on 9/11, and am being extra
sensitive to things going on, but I found this "joke" to be in poor taste.  I
do not mind making fun of Oakland (normally) but anything related to war and
killings, let alone rape is just not funny right now.  I know we do not
censor what goes on our servers (other than reports about UV material) but
have left it up to each individual to use their own judgment.  Just my

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:09:54 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Spike's update and email
From: "obc_spike" 

Hey all,

Those geniuses at AT&T are about one inch from losing my business
completely for a variety of reasons, one of which is the shutdown of
my mattglidden@attbi.com email. So if you've been emailing me and
getting bounces, that's why. Until I figure out what I'm going to do
about Internet access (Earthlink DSL is coming to mind), please use
obc_spike@yahoo.com to contact me. My new (physical) address remains:

Spike Glidden
127 Montgomery St
Cambridge, MA 02140
508 472 9915 (cell)

Still looking towards Ft. Wash at the end of the month, maybe kick
myself out of the no-time-for-cards doldrums. Are the usual suspects
making the trip down from New England?

=================

To: 
Subject: Any detectives?
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:18:29 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

I just received the first klez virus via email to my new email address since
I began using it about a month ago. Of course Nortons picked it up and I'm
not infected but since I only receive email from obc on this email and hadn't
gotten a virus for a month, I would assume it came from someone who recently,
(yesterday, today?) added my new email to their address book.

Greg (yaz)

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:29:16 -0700
To: Greg Conway 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any detectives?
From: 

I don't know if it means anything but I also got an infected E-mail. Mine came
from the Toad but that sometimes is not the correct source. I also got one
from an address I never heard from. When I open them on the web, I just get a
blank note. Now that I cleansed my system and reinstalled Norton, it will not
open them and if there is one in outlook and it highlight the message, it will
set off an alert and quarentine the mail.

On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:18:29 -0700 Greg Conway  wrote:

I just received the first klez virus via email to
my new email address since I began using it about a month ago. Of course
picked it up and I'm not infected but since I only receive email from obc on
this email and hadn't gotten a virus for a month, I would assume it
came from someone who recently, (yesterday, today?) added my new email to
address book.
Greg (yaz)

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To: 
Subject: Need for a Detective
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 16:42:33 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Greg, I AM a Detective. However, I have no idea how to track this culprit
down. Take comfort in the fact that this is not my first (nor likely last)
case to be labeled "Unsolved."

=================

Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:11:20 -0400
Subject: email problems
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Mark S Talbot 

Hello All,

I realized last night when Mike rich was over
that I had a problem
with mt email.  I contacted my ISP a few hours ago
and the problem has
been corrected but the ISP email server bounced all
my email from late
Monday night until about 7 p.m. E.S.T. this
evening.  So if anyone was
trying to contact me I did not receive your email -
so please resend
anything I have not responded to in the past 48
hours or so.  Sorry
for the inconvenience.  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bobby Thomson Ramble.....
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 9:30:01 +0000
From: 

Guys (and Gals),

Some of you may remember that a couple of years back I started a project to try to gather some info of Bobby Thomson, Glasgow’s most famous baseballing son, with a view towards trying to get him honored in some way within the town of his birth.

Due to a number of personal matters which had to be attended to, this project was put on indefinite hold, but not before I had corresponded with the man himself. The exchange resulted in a number of autographed cards coming my way – including a ‘49B that I had picked up for a few bucks in the Atlanta National in 1999 - and a book of old photos of the area of town where he was born heading back Stateside.

My interest in the project was, however, rekindled on Tuesday morning when out of the blue I received an email from a guy who works for the Wall Street Journal. Josh Prager had met Thomson a few weeks ago in the course of researching a book he is currently writing on the ’51 Giants, Thomson, and Ralph Branca. Bobby had shown him the letter that I had sent to him a few years ago, and suggested that I might be the guy to contact for some details of his early life in Glasgow.

Imagine that! Bobby Thomson not only remembered my having contacted him, but had actually kept my letter. How cool is that?

Anyway, Josh duly contacted me, and I pretty much wasted a whole morning at work while we swapped emails establishing just how much information each of us had. I had never quite been able to establish the exact location of Bobby’s birth, but Josh provided me with enough detail to give me a few ideas. I took the afternoon off to go to the local library to do some research, and was advised by the librarian of another city office where I may be able to get access to older public records. It was there that I found a copy of Bobby Thomson’s birth certificate, complete with his parent’s details, and the address of his birth – 29 Tennant Street, Glasgow.

From there, it was back to the library to pinpoint this location. I found it on a street map dated 1923 (Thomson’s year of birth), and on comparing this map with a current one, immediately realised that the tenement building in which he had been born had been demolished some years back to allow the construction of the main expressway through Glasgow and central Scotland, the M8. If fact, Thomson’s house lay directly under what is now Junction 15, right in the heart of the city.

Using the electoral register of the time, I was even able to come up with the names of the other families who lived at number 29 – it seems that there were 14 dwellings in that particular stairway. Another scan of the old map, cross-referenced with some old books, helped to established a little of what life was like in that area in the early ‘20s. A look out of the Thomson’s back window would have afforded you a view north over the Monklands Canal, which ran directly alongside Tennant St, to the St Rollox Chemical Works just beyond the canal. The local police station lay directly across the street, while the local wash house – where Mrs. Thomson would have done the family laundry and caught up with all the local gossip – was just around the corner on Kennedy St.

Bobby Thomson wouldn’t remember an awful lot of this himself, as he and his mother emigrated to the States in 1926 (when Bobby was 3), following his father James who had gone across in 1924.

Finally, a scan of old microfilmed newspapers turned up an article in the Scottish Daily Record from October 5th, 1951 all about the Scot who had reached the top of professional baseball and was at that time “more famous than the President”.

I’ve passed all of this info on to Josh, who immediately got back to me with an enthusiastically thankful email, an invitation to phone him when I get to the States next week, and a few more questions which we both hope that I’ll be able to answer on my return. He’s also promised me a substantial acknowledgement in his book.

Josh is meeting up with Bobby Thomson again in early October, when he’ll pass all of the info I came up with on to him. His impression – having met him once already – is that he’ll be very grateful. I’m looking forward to hearing how that goes!

Sorry about the Morganti-esque length of this message, but this was something that I was very excited about, and that I really felt I wanted to share with all of you!

Cheers for now!

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:29:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: Operation Blind Cat
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
From: OBCTWIG@webtv.net (DrZold Lyph)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 07:24:51 -0400 (EDT)
To: Originaleek@webtv.net
Subject: Operation Blind Cat
=================

To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" 
Subject: Visit to Pac Bell
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 09:49:03 -0700
From: Steve Carter 

I had the opportunity to visit the Bay Area on Tuesday, and along with that
came a trip to Pac Bell.  I got to the stadium and went to our luxury box,
straight up from third base (the company sprung for the box, pretty cool).
Anyway, there is a guy shaking hands on the way in who looks familiar, but
someone I could never place.

When I get ready to go into the box, he shakes my hand and says "Hi, I'm
Vida Blue."  I guess that the guy who owns the box knows Vida really well,
and when you get that box, you get Vida Blue too!  He was in our box for at
least 80% of the game, and signed balls for everyone there.  I even talked
trivia with him, saying that he was the answer to a very difficult trivia
question (Name the last AL MVP who was a switch hitter?).  He knew the
question before I even asked it.  He then gave me one, which was to name a
person at each position on the field who had won back-to-back MVP awards.
(Answer: Campy, Foxx, Morgan, Banks, Schmidt, Bonds, Mantle, Murphy,

In short, very cool to spend some time with Vida Blue, beautiful park, and
the home team won 5-2.  Awesome night that I will never forget.

Steve Carter

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: t206's for t205's?
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 15:54:36 -0400
From: "Mac Wubben" 

After much deliberation and resistance, I've decided to go ahead with the
gold bordered beauties.  If anybody has t205's to trade, let me know.  I'd
also consider any other T-cards.  Here is a list of t206's that are
available to trade:

Armbruster, Baker, Barry, Bastian, Bates, Becker, Bell (follow through),
Bender (w/trees), Birmingham, Bowerman, Bresnahan (both), Carrigan, Chance
(yellow), Chase (white, dark cap, Blue Port), Chesbro, Cicotte, Clarke
(batting), Covaleski, Dahlen (boston), Delehanty (wash), Demmitt, Donlin
(fielding, w/bat), Dorner, Doyle(hands above head), Dunn(brooklyn), Hart
(little rock), F.Jones (hands on hips), Lajoie (if you can convince me to
let them go),  Leifield(bat), Lipe, Livingstone, Magee (port), Mathewson
(dark cap), McGann, Mullaney, Mullin, Murphy (both), Murray w/bat,  Myers
both, Nicolls (both),  Oldring, Pelty (vert), Perdue, Quinn, Revelle, Ryan,
Schlei (fielding), Seymour (bat, field), Steinfeldt (batting), Stahl
(w/glove), Snodgrass, Tenney, Thornton, Waddell (port), Walsh, Doc White,
Williams, Wiltse (port cap), Wright, Zimmerman

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=================

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:20:32 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Say Hey - Available
From: "jimbo777777" 

Howdy folks,

Looking for a new home tonight is a '61 All-Star Willie Mays, #579.
Sharp corners, perfect centering, impeccable color and original
gloss, no surface wear on either side.  And, unfortunately, about 1/4
inch trimmed all along the top and left side of the card.

I've had him in my binder for years, just recently decided to
upgrade.  Willie still looks pretty good for an old guy, though.
Somebody please give him a good home!

=================

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 22:32:25 EDT
Subject: OBC Alert - Cards available on eBay
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: WMDpks@aol.com

Everyone drop what you're doing and check out the eBay site, hit Search, then
click on the "By Seller" tab and enter "oldbbcards" for the seller name.
There's currently over 350 cards available over the next two or three days
from OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison of Valley Cottage, NY. There's
something for everybody there, like a 1965 Carlton Rookie in really nice
shape currently sitting at $19.50, a nice 1962 Musial looking for an opening
bid at nine bucks, a 1963 Fleer Checklist waiting to open at $24, a
well-loved but collectable 1958 Willie Mays needing an opening bid of eight
bucks, fairly presentable 1957 Berra and 1957 Banks, both looking for a
starter at nine bucks apiece. There's a boatload of really decent mid-1950's
to late-1960's stars and superstars in better than usual OBC condition all at
John's typically reasonable prices. Check them out and support his auctions,
as he's supported OBC (me, in particular, and some others directly) for
several years now.

WMD ("Weapon of Mass Distraction")

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Johnny Unitas! Now there was a haircut you could set your watch to!"
(Grandpa Simpson)

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:35:35 EDT
Subject: A's vs. Angels
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Hmm...with apologies to Rick (who I have gone to several A's games with) the
Angels just finished the best series of baseball since the World Series last
year. Every game came down to the late innings and coaching. The Angel's
manager again did it with his bench, defense and aggresiveness...Chavez ties
it up in the ninth with a HR but the Angels Erstad doubles, steals third, and
scores on a game winning hit by Scott Spezio. Another great game...I can't
remember a more exciting pennant race.

PS Go Halos.

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 01:39:21 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Question from eBay Member
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 03:41:46 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A's vs. Angels
To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

No apologies necessary, the Angels are playing great baseball and so are the
A's, it is great fun to watch!

Go A's!

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 04:10:12 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: eBay User gkis/ Rick Elder/  Marlon Byrd/Joel Hazard WR Boston
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 05:59:33 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Location of active OBC members
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

Alas-1 (Tom)
MT---1 (Todd)
NV----1 (Mike)
LA----1 (Matt)
Philns-1 (Lynn)
Scott--1  (Glenn)
W-DC-1 (Mac)
I used the Aug 2002 list accidentally.  I knew about the move of Mac
(any others?).   This does not include the 2 inactive members or
honorary members.  Side notes:
We have 20 members in GA & the states that border it.
We have members in 37 states (plus DC) & in 4 different countries.
I didn't realize we had so many in CA & NY.   I'm also suprised nobody
is in Arizona, unless I missed them.
This took me a while to tally & type so I'm hoping one of you other guys
in VCT will do that group :-)

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:26:10 +0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Alert - Cards available on eBay
From: Lynn Miller 

Hi All,
Wayne kind of beat me to the punch on this one.  I have also been a
long-time buyer of John's and have made many, many good deals with him
from my early days in OBC.  And the beneficiaries have been all OBC.  To
echo Wayne's comments, John is a real stand-up guy.  Only downside to
his auctions is he doesn't do PayPal.  But maybe some of you can
convince him otherwise.  Some of you are familar with what became known
as "The Box" in one of the recent shows that John participated in.  Jeff
DeLott made me aware of it by his Ramblings.  I contacted John about it
and when he described it to me, I knew it had to become "OBC Property".
He made me a terrific offer that I couldn't refuse.    "The Box", is
now in my possession.  Recently it arrived and I've been going through
it.  There were 1,155 cards in it.  No cards for me, except for a couple
upgrades, which isn't hard to do in a lot of cases.  But it's all great
OBC material from a single 33 Goudey and every year from 52-85 well
represented (the 80's cards are 1 Ryan, 9 Ripkens including a RC!, 6
Boggs, 2 Pucketts and a Clemens RC!)  Just about every star from those
years is included, and multiples of many.  So I can give the presses a
rest for awhile since John has given me enough to distribute to the
group for now :>)  If any of you who were privy to "The Box" contents,
have any special cards in mind, drop me an email.  But don't wait for
cards from me, bid on John's auctions :>)
Take care,  Lynn

WMDpks@aol.com wrote:

> Everyone drop what you're doing and check out the eBay site, hit
> Search, then click on the "By Seller" tab and enter "oldbbcards" for
> the seller name. There's currently over 350 cards available over the
> next two or three days from OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison of
> Valley Cottage, NY. There's something for everybody there, like a 1965
> Carlton Rookie in really nice shape currently sitting at $19.50, a
> nice 1962 Musial looking for an opening bid at nine bucks, a 1963
> Fleer Checklist waiting to open at $24, a well-loved but collectable
> 1958 Willie Mays needing an opening bid of eight bucks, fairly
> presentable 1957 Berra and 1957 Banks, both looking for a starter at
> nine bucks apiece. There's a boatload of really decent mid-1950's to
> late-1960's stars and superstars in better than usual OBC condition
> all at John's typically reasonable prices. Check them out and support
> his auctions, as he's supported OBC (me, in particular, and some
> others directly) for several years now.
> Best,
> WMD ("Weapon of Mass Distraction")

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 12:14:18 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A's vs. Angels
To: Wite3@aol.com, TPLY@aol.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

As a long time Dodger fan I feel as though I am going against the grain when
I say "Go Halos"!...  but, what a great series against the A's.  You have to
love the fact that the A's infield had to move-in to protect against a game
winning squeeze play - an act that would not have allowed them to get a DP to
end the inning!

There is nothing better than driving and being able to go back and forth
between the Dodgers and the Angels radio broadcasts.

In a message dated 9/12/2002 10:37:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com

> Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] A's vs. Angels
> Date:9/12/2002 10:37:02 PM Pacific Standard Time
> From:Wite3@aol.com
> To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
> Sent from the Internet
> Hmm...with apologies to Rick (who I have gone to several A's games with)
> the Angels just finished the best series of baseball since the World Series
> last year. Every game came down to the late innings and coaching. The
> Angel's manager again did it with his bench, defense and
> aggresiveness...Chavez ties it up in the ninth with a HR but the Angels
> Erstad doubles, steals third, and scores on a game winning hit by Scott
> Spezio. Another great game...I can't remember a more exciting pennant race.
> -Joshua
> PS Go Halos.

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:59:07 -0400 (EDT)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Update from Rick!
From: Neal Thomas 

Hi all-

I finally got the final card from Rick's 1955 set from ebay, and sent
out the cards to knock off his 1955 set a few days ago.  I just got
this email from Rick's wife, Roberta.  Her words tell the story
better than mine, so I will forward it to you.  We did good, guys!

I also told Roberta if Rick keeps up the progress, we may have to
tackle another one of his sets!

Dear Neal,

Rick received your package and was once again totally touched and
delighted by the contents. He was able to tell me about this list he
had created of many cards that he hoped some day to find, but never
really expected to have. He said that most of the list was now
complete thanks to you all!

His speech therapist reported that their session today was primarily
conversation about baseball cards, a topic they touched on briefly
during their last visit. She commented that he is so much better at
communicating about things that have a personal meaning to him, far
better than he is when working on generic memory or processing tasks.
He was able to tell her about OBC, and your generous gift, and how
much he loved baseball cards.

The fact that he was able to share all that is evidence of his
continued recovery and healing. Expressing himself is still a
considerable challenge. He seems to have an easier time finding key
words to many of his thoughts, and eventually he or the listener can
piece together what he wants to say. He is still unable to write, and
his reading is limited. Sometimes he can look at something and
basically understand what it says, but he can't say the words out
loud. This is all so much better than he was last month, and
we all hope that much more progress will be made.

He has completed his third cycle of chemotherapy and had an MRI at
the end of August that showed the tumor as stable. He will continue
to take the chemo and be scanned every two months while he continues
this way, so our next scan will be at the end of October. He began
outpatient rehab therapy at the beginning of September and will
probably continue that indefinately.

He is walking with no assistance, and is totally physically
independent, which is huge for both of us.

I think that everyone in the family is beginning to relax a little
bit, and enjoy the routine we seemed to have fallen into. I am
relieved that the kids are in school, and it looks like Rick and I
will both have some quality time to share between all the running

I know that he is so anxious to connect with all of you again, and
you are all part of his daily thoughts. As much as he loves all the
cards, I know that he cares about you guys and your friendship so
much more than any card he could hold in his hands. You all have come
to fill a very special and meaningful place in his life, and I am
grateful for that. I know he wants to try to communicate on his own,
but I'm not sure what he has in mind.

Please know that we are both are eternally grateful for your support
and generosity. Please make sure that everyone involved receives our
thanks and gets an update on his progress. I will continue to keep
you posted. Please continue to keep us in your prayers.

Thank you again.

Roberta Redpath

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: SUPER SALE - STARTS TOMORROW SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH - 8PM EASTERN TIME!!!!
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:38:28 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Welcome to our newest SUPER SALE beginning on SATURDAYThey usually have really
good deals worth checking out.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sims Classic Sports - Super Sale #5
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: SUPER SALE - STARTS TOMORROW SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 14TH - 8PM EASTERN

Welcome to our newest SUPER SALE beginning on SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 14th at 8pm
Eastern time!
This is a FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE Sale!  Details below.
- 100's of Autographed 8x10 celebrity and sports related photos!  We're clearing
out our signed memorabilia that we have obtained in-person at local and
national events from over the past 5 years.  These signatures are guaranteed
100% authentic for life..  Each photo come with a COA.

- 100's of 50's, 60's and 70's card lots, sets and singles... and more!!!

This is a first come, first serve sale. We have added category selection, asearch
function, shopping cart, a simple checkout process, integrated PayPal
payment for credit cards and other functions to make your selection fastand

NOW ACCEPTING CHECKS AND MONEY ORDERS!

FREE SHIPPING FOR ORDERS OVER $100!!!
Lower shipping charges on all orders!

Click here at 8pm on Saturday, September 14th at 8pm Eastern time to participate.

This email has only been sent to customers who have requested to be put on this
list. To be removed from our mailing list please email us and let us know.

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:51:26 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Alert - Cards available on eBay
To: lynnm@piol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com

I just looked at his 57 set most were a dollar yet and even the star cards
were under 10  i hope in two days i will be able to take some of those off
his hands :-)

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 19:56:19 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Alert - Cards available on eBay
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, lynnm@piol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Please remember that my eBay name is Ecru!!!!

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:58:49 -0700
To: Neal Thomas 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update from Rick!
From: 

More proof of the healing power of Cardboard. Anytime, anyone wants to step up
and organize another assult, I will be first in line. I will try and update
the mirror page this weekend.
Big Al in Seattle

On Fri, 13 Sep 2002 18:59:07 -0400 (EDT) Neal Thomas  wrote:

Hi all-

I finally got the final card from Rick's 1955 set from ebay, and sent
out the cards to knock off his 1955 set a few days ago.  I just got
this email from Rick's wife, Roberta.  Her words tell the story
better than mine, so I will forward it to you.  We did good, guys!

I also told Roberta if Rick keeps up the progress, we may have to
tackle another one of his sets!

=================

Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:05:09 -0400 (EDT)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update from Rick!
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: Neal Thomas 
From: 
Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 16:58:49 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update from Rick!
=================

Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 01:31:24 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: steve spurrier needed
From: "mark zentkovich" 

need any steve spurrier cards (as a player)for my redskin

=================

To: 
Subject: Take your computer to the doctor...
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 09:03:37 -0700
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

...Doctor Seuss that is.

If a packet hits a pocket on a socket on a port, and the bus is interruptedat
very last resort, and the access of the memory makes your floppy disk abort,
then the socket packet pocket has an error to report.

If your cursor finds a menu item followed by a dash, and the double-clicking
puts your window in the trash, and your data is corrupted cause the index doesn't
hash, then your situation's hopeless and your system's gonna crash!!

If the label on the cable on the table at your house says the network is connected
to the button on your mouse, but your packets want to tunnel to another protocol,
that's repeatedly rejected by the printer down the hall, and your screen isall
distorted by the side effects of gauss, so your icons in the window are
as wavy
as a souse; then you may as well reboot and go out with a bang, 'cuz sure as
a poet, the sucker's gonna hang!

When the copy of your floppy's getting sloppy in the disk, and the macro code
instructions cause unnecessary risk, then you'll have to flash the memory and
you'll want to RAM your ROM.

Quickly turn off the computer and be sure to tell your Mom!

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: OBC bio page
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 16:05:16 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

John Collins is the latest member to have his bio posted.  If you'd like tosee
it, check out http://www.oldbaseball.com/bio/bio.html
OBC Bios: userid  obc, password  obcbioIf you'd like to add or changeyour
bio, let me know.Steve
=================

To: 
Subject: Just stuff
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2002 18:35:32 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

I'm afraid I was blabbing incessantly about the  AL West race and my Angels
to my bride today. She was pretty impressed, and even got the city right
where my Angels play. Heck of a race. She actually suggested that if the
Angels get through the playoffs (which I had to explain to her) that I
should just hop on a plane and go watch them play in the Series. Wow, I
thought, what an understanding woman. That's when the hammer fell...seems
like she wants credit for a trip of her own with her sisters, didn't tell me
where, just said it would be expensive. And warm. Geez.

Big Al invited Tiger Dave and I down to Seattle next weekend for an
M's/Angels game, and even said he would pay for the tix. Said we would be on
our own for beer though, so it would still be a pretty pricey adventure. I'm
assuming in the first place here that Al could FIND the stadium and give us
our tix, but after hearing some reports, I'm not so sure. Anyways, that
isn't going to work out, but thanks for the offer Al. Maybe see you up here
in Vancouver for "The Big One." (right) in October. Don't forget my hat!

On another note, I have been having some trouble with my mail program,
Outlook, which has developed a mind of its own.  Spent a couple of hours on
the phone with techies from Microsoft a couple of weeks ago....why the heck
don't they have a 1-800 number? Likely cost me a fortune to find out what I
already knew, my mail program was screwed up. Anyways, seems some file or
files have been corrupted, whatever the heck that means...so when I send the
Directory out, it might look weird. My bride seems to think I (read we)
might be better off keeping it in a spreadsheet and sending it as an
attachment, and she is actually willing to show me how to do it. If anyone
has a problem with getting it as an attachment, please let me know....I do
have Norton Anti-Virus, which scans every email before it is sent, so it
should be okay. At least I have my wife to blame if it is not.

All for now....go ANGELS!

=================

Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 13:00:07 -0700
To: Lynn Miller 
Subject: Re: [uvlist] 1980 Topps #110 Fred Lynn Variation
From: 

ok, I did see this auction. Tough to say this lot is worth the money, seems
like more new stufrf then old. Ken, you want to open the bidding?
Big Al in Seattle

On Sun, 15 Sep 2002 11:43:27 +0800 Lynn Miller  wrote:

>  href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item58423403&rd>
> Hi Al,
>   Here's the link to the item.  By
> the way, when are you going to have your
> wantlist back up :>)     Lynn
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item58423403&rd/a>
>  href="mailto:alcattle@earthlink.net">alcattle@earthlink.net
> wrote:
>   what is the Ebay ID#?Big Al

=================

To: 
Subject: 64's available
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2002 21:14:44 -0700
From: "Brian Lindholme" 

Anybody need some VGish 64 Topps cards?
No big names, but many memorable characters here:

109 Rusty Staub,110,119,121,134 Don Zimmer,
138,153 Dick Williams,157 Gene Mauch,158,166,
180 Tommy Davis,187,191,193,
348 Ed Lopat

Just claim 'em.

I've started gathering 64's to present to my pal Doug who collects old baseball
cards, but not sets. (yet)
(He is also the guy who gave me his T205 Walter Johnson for Xmas two years ago...just
cuz I needed one!)

These cards above are the dupes of my gathering efforts so far.
Certainly I'd accept any help in acquiring more towards Doug's 64 set. (He doesn't
know anything about it yet.. I have 135 or so, a long way from the 587
cardboards that Topps included that year)

Thanks OBC !

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: blah
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:11:51 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I don't know how to start.  I've been in a crappy place for at least 18 months
now, probably longer.  Wishing things would get better isn't working.  The
latest screwup is that now I no longer have anything but emergency health
insurance.   So now more doctor visits (including psychiatrist and therapist)
and no more prescription drugs.   But I still won't look for a steadyjob.
 WHAT AN IDIOT.

It used to be that I'd escape from all my problems and be more involved in "cards".
Talking to OBCers online, working on my sets, sending out cards --
its all the same to me.   But since the Naitonal, I haven't wanted to doany
of that.   Even "cards" have become an effort for me.   There must be about
a dozen people waiting for cards I promised them.

The debate about trading stresses me out.   I wish I understood why.   Although
I don't trade within OBC, I do lots of "dealer scum" deals.   I don't feel
there is much of a difference between "trading" and "dealer scum" but the
debate seems to paint a broad brush condemning anything but giving cards
away.   I have more time and opportunities to locate "good deals" but I can't
afford to give away all the good deals I find.    I think that people appreciate
my efforts but when everyone else is talking about "the good olddays
when we were sending out Mantles by the pound", I feel pretty lousy asking
someone for $10 for a hard-to-find card from their list, even if I picked
it up specifically for that person.

I really don't know what to do regarding my life and my OBC activity.  In both
cases, I am looking for more RULES.   Tell me what is ok and I can cope.
I know that's not how life works -- I need to work out the rules for myself.
I wish I could sell off my entire collection (sets and dupes) and then
just disappear.   I'd miss the OBC community but I have a hard time feeling
like I deserve to be part of it anymore.  I better stop whining and boring
you all and start catching up on the cards I need to send.   I'm very sorry
for not being active (sending out cards and otherwise) and for leaningon
the group so heavily.

Whining for attention in Maryland
=================

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 04:54:14 -0400 (EDT)
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg)
Subject: blah/ USA vs USSR 1972 Olympics/ Ball Four book/ MOs (Long!)
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
To: "Ramblings" 
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 00:11:51 -0400
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] blah

I don't know how to start.  I've been in a crappy place for at least 18 months
now, probably longer.  Wishing things would get better isn't working.  The
latest screwup is that now I no longer have anything but emergency health
insurance.   So now more doctor visits (including psychiatrist and therapist)
and no more prescription drugs.   But I still won't look for a steadyjob.
 WHAT AN IDIOT.

It used to be that I'd escape from all my problems and be more involved in "cards".
Talking to OBCers online, working on my sets, sending out cards --
its all the same to me.   But since the Naitonal, I haven't wanted to doany
of that.   Even "cards" have become an effort for me.   There must be about
a dozen people waiting for cards I promised them.

The debate about trading stresses me out.   I wish I understood why.   Although
I don't trade within OBC, I do lots of "dealer scum" deals.   I don't feel
there is much of a difference between "trading" and "dealer scum" but the
debate seems to paint a broad brush condemning anything but giving cards
away.   I have more time and opportunities to locate "good deals" but I can't
afford to give away all the good deals I find.    I think that people appreciate
my efforts but when everyone else is talking about "the good olddays
when we were sending out Mantles by the pound", I feel pretty lousy asking
someone for $10 for a hard-to-find card from their list, even if I picked
it up specifically for that person.

I really don't know what to do regarding my life and my OBC activity.  In both
cases, I am looking for more RULES.   Tell me what is ok and I can cope.
I know that's not how life works -- I need to work out the rules for myself.
I wish I could sell off my entire collection (sets and dupes) and then
just disappear.   I'd miss the OBC community but I have a hard time feeling
like I deserve to be part of it anymore.  I better stop whining and boring
you all and start catching up on the cards I need to send.   I'm very sorry
for not being active (sending out cards and otherwise) and for leaningon
the group so heavily.

Whining for attention in Maryland
=================

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 18:35:18 EDT
Subject: OBC on the move!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: WMDpks@aol.com

Brian Dwyer finished 103rd in yesterday's prestigious Dutchess County
Classic, finishing the half-marathon in 1 hour, 42 minutes and 26 seconds -
good enough to place in the top 25% of the runners in that race. To give you
an idea of the pace, it's probably about the speed I could run for no more
than 1/4 mile before collapsing from exhaustion - and I'm a black belt &
former cross country runner myself. Rumor has it that Brian smoked the
competition because he thought there was a 1952 Topps Mantle at the finish

WMD ("Weapon of Mass Distraction")

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"Johnny Unitas! Now there was a haircut you could set your watch to!"
(Grandpa Simpson)

=================

To: 
Subject: Checks and M.O.'s to Canada, and the Directory
Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 15:59:10 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Keith, some banks in Canada do have a problem with U.S. M.O.'s. I just have
never understood why. One that is available for you to buy is pink, and that
one is an International M.O. No problem there. However, if you get the green
ones, they are negotiable only in the U.S. and Possessions. Last time I
looked, Canada wasn't one...still have the Maple Leaf flying up here. That
being said, the Credit Union I deal with seems to have no problem at all
taking those ones, but banks do. Go figure. As for checks (or up here
cheques, because of those silly French people back there) I have never had a
problem with those at all, so feel free to send me as many as you want :)

As for the Directory, thanks to all for several good suggestions, the
majority of which weren't rude. Looks like I'm going to have to bite the
bullet and try learning a new program like Excel. I always resist learning
something new and efficient based on the fact that I work for the Gov't. I
may be slow, but I do very poor work.

=================

Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 20:19:48 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on the move!
To: WMDpks@aol.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

The rumor is true.  Imagine my horror when I found out that only the top 100
got a Mantle.  That's OK--I heard they were Mantles of the PSA 10 variety.
The trophy I got for my second place under-18 effort was much better.

As for pace, it was an easy 7:49 per mile.  We'll have to get you ready for
the 25th anniversary race next September, Wayne!

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 01:32:40 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: steve spurrier- last call
From: "mark zentkovich" 

last call for any spurrier cards you may have before I resort to
dealer scum..

thanks, Mark

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Letter to Rick Redpath
From: Jerry Coker 

The following letter is going out today or tomorrow to Rick with a small
package.  I decided to post it here because it's essentially an OBC
ramble :)

Hi Rick:

I've enclosed a couple cards I hope you like, and an Old Time Baseball CD
that has some classic baseball games as well as an old Football game and
an old boxing match.  The files are .mpg, so they should work using any
MPEG player.  The games are usually broken down into three or four files
each.  I think you'll really like the 1956 All-Star Game with 'Teddy
Ballgame' and a bunch of other HOFER's.  Enjoy!

A side note.  Over the past year I've started to collect and
repair/restore old AM and AM/FM broadcast radios.  I owe it all to Dave
Fallen who sent OBC that great OT Baseball CD a couple Christmas's ago.
The old time broadcasts got me interested in old radios.  I contacted Dave
and he told me about the old radios he had that he wanted to restore when
he retired.  So that got me interested too.  I bought my first old radio
off Ebay for $11.00.  I fixed it and the rest is history :)  I now have
quite a collection of old RCA, Philco, Zenith, etc. radios spanning the
years from about 1935-1958.  Some work, and some I fix up as I have time.
It took me about a year to figure out the electronics, but since I already
repair my guitar tube amps, learning to repair old tube radios wasn't too
difficult.  My biggest learning curve has been restoring/repairing the
wood and/or plastic cabinets :) I'm pretty good with electronics, but
stink when it comes to working with wood.  Maybe some day my wife will get
interested in it.  She is pretty good with staining and such :)

Anyway, just wanted to share with you one of my new hobbies.  I thought
you might appreciate it.  Oh I almost forgot the best part!  I learned how
to build a mini AM radio transmitter that is within FCC guidelines.  I can
put my old time baseball cd's in my computer and play them with my MPEG
player; feed the audio out of my pc audio card to the transmitter which
transmits at 1600khz; tune any or all of my old AM radios to 1600 on the
dial; and listen to the old games on the old radios.  The first time I did
this I was listening to the 'Bobby Thomson' game (1951) on an old 1935
Sears Silvertone radio.  My wife Teresa walked into my computer/radio room
and thought she'd walked into the Twilight Zone (I had turned the lights
out for good effect...all you could see was the warm glow of the tubes in
the back of the radio) :)  Right now Teresa thinks I have too many
hobbies.  Lets see, baseball cards, radios, guitars, computers...yep...
she's right!!

Also wanted to share with you part of my summer vacation.  Teresa and my
daughter Sarah and I took a long vacation this year.  One placed we
stopped was Cooperstown!!  We spent two days there.  What a great place.
I was able to spend two whole days (all day) in the Baseball HOF.  They
had to kick me out the last night because they wanted to close and I was
running around all the different rooms trying to get one last glimpse of
everything :)  Actually, they were very accommodating people.  I was lucky
in that when we were in Cooperstown, it was early summer and they weren't
very crowded.  I had a great time.  I spent a lot of time in the 19th
century baseball area.  They really have some neat old baseball stuff that
you just won't see anywhere else.  I'm trying to collect some NL Boston
Braves, Beaneaters, etc. cards.  I figure they eventually became the
Atlanta Braves, so it gives me some connection to the very distant past of
that organization and to old baseball in general.  So see...I'm a Boston
fan too :)  Actually, I root for the Red Sox every year.  I love watching
baseball games at Fenway park on TV.  Every year I hope it's the Braves
and Red Sox in the World Series!  But the Braves always disappoint
me :)  I've never been to Boston, but my wife
and I would really like to visit some time.  Teresa once went to Boston
for a conference and said it was really neat.  I'll LYK when we decide to
go!  Oh yeah...when I was at Cooperstown Teresa and Sarah bought me 19th
Century baseball postcards for Fathers day.  It has Mike 'King' Kelly, Kid
Nichols, Cap Anson, John Clarkson, just to name a few.  Very cool.  They
also bought me a copy of the book 'Rube Waddell'.  Great book!.  Highly
recommended.  I just bought a Waddell T-206 off Ebay.  It should be here
any day!!  It's a beater, but it's the portrait!  He was really a
character.  There are some great comments by Connie Mack in the book about
Rube.  I think Rube gave Connie premature grey hair :)

Well this is really becoming a Ramble.  Maybe I should post this to
OBC-Ramble.  Actually, I think I will.  Ken might get a kick out of it
anyway :)  So if you see this before you get my package...well...at least
you'll know what's coming :)

Well...I'll be talking to you later.  Be thinking of me during the
Playoffs (and hopefully the World Series).  If you hear someone holler, in
October 'Oh no...not again', well then you'll know that is me...and Lynn
Miller :)  The Braves have always had such great pitching.  But they can't
hit the broadside of a barn during the Playoffs.  'Maybe this year...' :)

Jerry Coker

Jerry Coker
Campus Information Technology Partnerships
The University of Georgia

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:42:42 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update from Rick!
To: nthomas@pol.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi guys... I am totally jazzed about the news of Rick doing a little better.
This was a great project.  I've got one more thing I'd like to initiate, if
you don't mind...   I don't know how many of you are familiar with it, but
the awesome book "The Glory of Their Times" is out on Books On Tape/CD.  The
kicker is that it isn't a read version of the book... it's the interviews
that Ritter conducted with the old ballplayers.  I've had the cassette
version for years and it is very, very worn now.  I was going to make a copy
of the cassettes to send to Rick, but while I was doing it I realized how,
er, "Tipton" the sound quality was and I also felt a little guilty about
copyright stuff.  After all, I'd love for Ritter and others to have the
motivation to continue to put this kind of stuff out.  Anyway, to make a
short story long, I was wondering if I could get a few of you to chip in a
couple bucks ($5 max) to send Rick the CD version.  Amazon.com has it at
$27.97... not bad, but more than I can afford by myself until my consultancy
position become a real job (hopefully by the end of the month).  I'm set up
with PayPal... LMK if you want to contribute and I'll give the details.
Sorry to have to "beg" but I really thought this would be something Rick
would get a lot of pleasure out of...

Take care and have a terrific day...

In a message dated 9/13/02 6:00:41 PM, nthomas@pol.net writes:

<< Hi all-

I finally got the final card from Rick's 1955 set from ebay, and sent
out the cards to knock off his 1955 set a few days ago.  I just got
this email from Rick's wife, Roberta.  Her words tell the story
better than mine, so I will forward it to you.  We did good, guys!

I also told Roberta if Rick keeps up the progress, we may have to
tackle another one of his sets!

Dear Neal,

Rick received your package and was once again totally touched and
delighted by the contents. He was able to tell me about this list he
had created of many cards that he hoped some day to find, but never
really expected to have. He said that most of the list was now
complete thanks to you all!

His speech therapist reported that their session today was primarily
conversation about baseball cards, a topic they touched on briefly
during their last visit. She commented that he is so much better at
communicating about things that have a personal meaning to him, far
better than he is when working on generic memory or processing tasks.
He was able to tell her about OBC, and your generous gift, and how
much he loved baseball cards.

The fact that he was able to share all that is evidence of his
continued recovery and healing. Expressing himself is still a
considerable challenge. He seems to have an easier time finding key
words to many of his thoughts, and eventually he or the listener can
piece together what he wants to say. He is still unable to write, and
his reading is limited. Sometimes he can look at something and
basically understand what it says, but he can't say the words out
loud. This is all so much better than he was last month, and
we all hope that much more progress will be made.

He has completed his third cycle of chemotherapy and had an MRI at
the end of August that showed the tumor as stable. He will continue
to take the chemo and be scanned every two months while he continues
this way, so our next scan will be at the end of October. He began
outpatient rehab therapy at the beginning of September and will
probably continue that indefinately.

He is walking with no assistance, and is totally physically
independent, which is huge for both of us.

I think that everyone in the family is beginning to relax a little
bit, and enjoy the routine we seemed to have fallen into. I am
relieved that the kids are in school, and it looks like Rick and I
will both have some quality time to share between all the running

I know that he is so anxious to connect with all of you again, and
you are all part of his daily thoughts. As much as he loves all the
cards, I know that he cares about you guys and your friendship so
much more than any card he could hold in his hands. You all have come
to fill a very special and meaningful place in his life, and I am
grateful for that. I know he wants to try to communicate on his own,
but I'm not sure what he has in mind.

Please know that we are both are eternally grateful for your support
and generosity. Please make sure that everyone involved receives our
thanks and gets an update on his progress. I will continue to keep
you posted. Please continue to keep us in your prayers.

Thank you again.

Roberta Redpath >>

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 12:57:03 EDT
Subject: Unreal...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi guys... the message has been out for oh, all of three minutes or so, and I
already have three contributions. Thanks to Steve R., Rob G. , and Bob D. for
the immediate responses...

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Caramel Cards
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2002 13:50:50 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Here's a pretty neat site on Caramel Cards.

http://www.caramel-cards.com/index.html

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: ABC cards
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:47:38 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Everyone has at least one "million dollar idea" in their lifetime.   Here'smine.
  Inspiration came from Jeff Sackmann's "top 30" website.

Can't afford premium prices for "pack fresh" vintage cards?  Now you can!

We all want "pack fresh" cards in pristine condition but who can afford them?
Now there is a reasonable alternative for the price-conscious collector.
We at ABC cards have patented a new technology to separate the "pack fresh"
from the "pristine condition".    We call them "collector-grade" cards
and are offering these at an unbelievable price of $4.99 per pack for a 12
cards.   Where else are you going to find 12 "pack fresh cards" from the 50s
through the 70s for such a low price.   These packs are GUARANTEED to be
authentic baseball cards.   And you know they are "pack fresh" -- we put them
in our own ABC packs last week!   Our ABC packs are GUARANTEED to be unsearched,
collector-grade baseball cards.   Players included range from Mickey
Mantle to Marv Throneberry.

And coming soon from ABC cards:
-- Topps Traded: The 1963 series.  Thanks to an army of 8 year olds, we cannow
offer you a complete set of all the players who played in 1963 on one team
but eventually played for another.   Bonus:  There will be randomly selected
cards showing if the player is current "retired".

-- Pre-checked checklists:  Don't have time to check off which cards you have?
We've done the work for you.   We stock a complete line of team and set
checklists from 1958 through the present.

** ABC  already been creased
=================

To: "Steve Rittenberg" ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ABC cards
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:57:03 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I've had a similar idea for quite a while.  A can of spray that you can use
with the newer UV cards.  With one spray they will get that old musty smell
of a true vintage card!

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ABC cards
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 17:58:38 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

I love that smell !!   Chandy's whole shop here in Winston smells like 40 year
old cardboard.

John C. Collins

----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Donaldson
To: Steve Rittenberg ; Ramblings
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ABC cards

I've had a similar idea for quite a while.  A can of spray that you can use
with the newer UV cards.  With one spray they will get that old musty smell
of a true vintage card!

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Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 22:54:04 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Another virus warning and other comments
From: "mikesportsfan" 

I received an E-mail supposedly from Mike W., but not really, with a
subject heading of a "Real Nice Game", with an attachment.
Fortunately I did not open it.  Please beware.

Last night, I went to the phones again.  This time I reached Bob
D'Angelo to thank him for the Ernie Harwell book, "My 60 Years in BB"
he sent me a couple of weeks ago.  Last Saturday, at Comerica Park,
they arranged a special signing by Ernie of the book.  That is the
only thing he would sign.  Fortunately I had the book.  It was also
Ernie Bobble Head day and I was able to get one.

I went with my buddy Rocky, who a few OBCers have met.  The game was
so boring, Detroit vs. Kansas City that we left early and went to my
house to ewatch U of M lose to Notre Dame.  I cannot remember ever
voluntarily leaving a game early for no good reason other than
boredom.  BB may be losing me as a fan even without a strike.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 19:10:57 -0400
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Michigan calls
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Hi gang,

Got a nice call from Mike Rich on Tuesday night, as he finally connected with me here at the Tribune after two nights of trying at home (was working at the time -- ah the life of a sports copy editor, late hours and weekends). We had a great conversation, and the only thing that brought it to the close was the Tribune's impending deadline.

We talked bout topics ranging from basements (not a good place to store cards, but a moot point here at 6-inches above sea level Florida), to finds at estate sales, flea markets and card shows -- and some other neat stuff in between.

One inspiration did come out of that chat: since Mike has lists for stuff other than baseball, I decided why not add some football. So since I have a few cards from the early 1970s, I decided to do so. They are not a burning priority, but a fun diversion with football season here. I lived in South Florida during the Miami Dolphins' perfect season, so it is kind of a nostalgic trip for me.

I was glad the timing of sending the Harwell book resulted in an autograph for him. If you are a Tigers/Harwell fan and you would like a book (I have sent a few out but I forget to whom now ...), let me know, I have one left.

Anyway, thanks to Mike for a great phone call! This is one of the perks of OBC -- not one card was exchanged, but a lot of friendship and memories were!

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 01:02:03 EDT
Subject: Fwd: Question from eBay Member
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Got the following message tonight following my negative feedback posting.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Glen Codere
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:08:23 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Has anyone heard from Glen since he landed in Arizona?  I can't find a phone
number for where he is staying but would like to speak with him.   Thanks.

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:38:30 -0400
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fake '63 Bazookas
From: Dan Austin 

I wanted to pass this along in case it impacts any of you who don't get the
eSCD newsletter...

COUNTERFEIT '63 BAZOOKAS SOLD ON EBAY, SHOP AT HOME
An investigation by Sports Collectors Digest indicates hundreds of phony
1963 Bazooka baseball cards have been sold to unsuspecting buyers on eBay
and Shop At Home in recent months. While the counterfeits are not
particularly well-made, they are all the more dangerous because most of
them have been sold in plastic slabs purporting to have been authenticated
by a legitimate grading company.

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 19:46:07 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fake '63 Bazookas
To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: smartalecx@aol.com

In a message dated 9/19/02 6:39:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
dan@iamdanaustin.com writes:

> COUNTERFEIT  BAZOOKA

it tasted fine to me!

=================

To: "ramblings" 
Subject: twice a year interuption - topps 2003
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:00:20 -0400
From: "Sean McGowan" 

As many of you know, I but cases and cases of new topps each year
because I don't want to pay $1.79/pack and because I ship them out
to you guys, I can buy a whole case and pay wholesale.  This worked
very well, but last year topps had a $4/box increase in price, and guess
what... they did it again this year.  That means that my cost is now $40
for a box!  That means that you guys who I mail them too will be paying
$44-$46 for a box.  I'm not sure that you won't be able to do better
on ebay, but we will see.  Anyway, all that being said, I'll still buy as
as you guys want, so if you are up for it, let me know.   I do need to
know by Monday, because I have to tell the guy I buy from by Monday
night because his deadline is Tuesday.  I may be able to tell him Tuesday,
but I'm not sure.  In any case, let me know!
Thanks, and get back to the vintage stuff! :)  Sorry for the interruption.
Usually I put an available list here, but I don't have any left after this
summer, and I won't get to another show until November :(  So I'll
have to offer an "available raincheck" :)

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 20:59:28 -0400
Subject: 2 sets to down this week.
From: richard a kimball 

hello group.
im happy to announce the completion of two more sets since joining OBC in
first was
1974 topps with traded sat.
last card regular set-joe isaac the missing checklist
last card traded-jerry coker
second was
1955 bowman
last card #302 frank malzone sorry  to say from mr.ebay.
many thanks to all the group members who helped me along with both of
these sets and i have a few to go yet (ha ha).

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To: 
Subject: Tacoma Dome Show
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:35:36 -0700
From: "Dave Fallen" 

The Tacoma Dome show is a three times a year local show that bills itself as
"The Pacific Northwest National Sports Card and Memorabilia Show".  I used
to chuckle at the concept of a "National" card show that was always in the
Pac NW, but now that THE NATIONAL is permanently East of the Mississippi I
guess our show has as much right to the title "National" as the other one.

Anywho, I went to the show tonight with a friend who got me into baseball collecting
a few years ago.  The only other OBC early bird was Big Al.  Of course,
Mark Macrae was there and also ex-OBCer Pete Brito who has now turned
dealer scum (actually I think he just works for a dealer).  It was good to
see Big Al again and true to form he (1) complained about how hard my want
list is and (2) proceeded to pound my 1961 Post list with 27 (count-em, twenty-seven)
hits, plus he used a 1951 Topps Red Back as an exclamation mark.
It's a good thing my list is not an easy one - Big Al would have buriedme!
Meantime I gave Al 1 (count-em, one) baseball card.  Now usually a 28-to-1
return is considered pretty good but I hope Al gets his want list back
up on the Web soon so I have a shot at reversing the trend.

Although the show was typically small, I made some pretty good finds.  I picked
up two Seattle Rainiers team photos -- 1941 (Earl Averill's last year in
pro ball) and 1944 (my birth year).  Also managed to score two old stripcards
(Tris Speaker and Grover Alexander) and a 1943 M&P Joe DiMaggio.  Fun

It kills me that I can't go to Anaheim for The National next year.  I hate the
thought of having to go clear across the country to New Jersey, but I don't
want to wait until I'm 70 to go to a West Coast National.  Sigh.

-Dave Fallen

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 02:57:06 EDT
Subject: Rick CD Project...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all...  Great news!  We had ten folks come through for my request for
assistance in helping pay for the Lawrence Ritter CD "The Glory of the Their
Times".  Since everyone wanted to send the max I had set, we have enough
extra to get a couple more CDs.  One CD I'd like to get him is called
"Diamond Cuts: Take Two" available from the marketplace section on the
incredible site, Elysian Fields Quarterly (Elysian
Fields Quarterly - The Baseball Review).  My wife bought me this CD for
Christmas a few years ago and I've thoroughly enjoyed it. There's some great
baseball-themed songs in all varieties of music plus a "straight" reading of
"Casey at the Bat" by Bob Costas and then, on a later track, Garrison
Keillor's hilarious satire of the same, presenting the whole story from the
viewpoint of the Dustburgh (Casey's opponents) fans!

"Diamond Cuts: Turning Two" is one of FIVE CDs put out by the same indie
record label ("Hungry for Music").  Volumes 3 (Triple Play) and 4 (Grand
Slam) are also available at EFQ, while the first (Diamond Cuts: A Compilation
of Baseball Songs and Poetry) and latest CD (Diamond Cuts: The Bottom of the
Fifth) are available on Amazon.com    I also just learned on Amazon.com that:

"The collections are inspired by a passion for baseball, music, and helping
others. The proceeds from Diamond Cuts will provide funding for Hungry for
Music, a Washington, DC-based charity. "

I've been having a tough time deciding which other volume to get and then it
dawned on me... why not all of 'em?   If there are any of you who wanted
to contribute but felt you were too late or didn't see the original message,
here's your chance! :-)   Anyway, even if no one else participates, we'll at
least get a couple for him.

Thanks to all and have a terrific weekend...

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 03:29:29 EDT
Subject: Another idea for Rick... a virtual card show!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... when I was chatting online the other day with Rob Gioia, he was
mentioning to me how excited he was to be going to his first Fort Washington
show.  His enthusiasm mixed with my own recollections of how fun these types
of gathering occured during the same session where I'd read the update on
Rick Redpath.  The result of these mixed thoughts was an idea:  could we
treat Rick to a "virtual" card show?  If someone going to Ft. Washington has
a video camera, wouldn't it be neat to take it around to the different
tables, score some deals, and (in my opinion most important) meet other
OBC'ers?  Special messages could be added by the group or individually...

When I mentioned this to Steve Rittenberg, he suggested that this doesn't
necessarily need to be limited to the Fort Washington show... anyone getting
together (or anyone who wants to make their own individual recording for
him!) could do this.  When I first joined OBC (ten years ago this week!), one
of the younger members, Ryan (screen name was Teenager, I think...), was
hospitalized for his diabetes.  The group passed a baseball around the
country, everyone signing their well-wishes upon it, before it finally made
it's way to Ryan.  I thought it was a grand accomplishment and immediately
increased my awareness that this group is about more than ballcards.

Anyway, any other embellishments or revisions on this idea are welcome!  Take
care and have a great weekend...

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:17:17 EDT
Subject: Golf over baseball as THE sport!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

Well, except the way I hear the golf tournament in Vegas is played, these are
true comparisons

PS - this is supposed to be taken in a lighter vein, before someone gets
his(her) nose out of joint and TRIES to build a case out of it!
In no way should it reflect upon the skills, personalities, or idiosyncracies
of any professional or amateur ball player or golfer, or any member (past,
present or future) of OBC or their respective families, friends or
acquaintances, living or dead!

> Ever wonder why golf is growing in popularity and people who don't even play
> go to tournaments or watch it on TV? These truisms may shed light on
> reasons why.
> Golf is an honorable game, with the overwhelming majority of players
> being honorable people who don't need referees.
> Golfers don't scratch their privates on the golf course.
> Golfers don't kick dirt on, or throw bottles at, other people.
> Professional golfers are compensated in direct proportion to how well they
> play.
> Golfers don't get per diem and two seats on a charter flight when they
> travel between tournaments.
> Golfers don't hold out for more money, or demand new contracts, because
> of another player's deal.
> Professional Golfers don't demand that the taxpayers pay for the courses
> on which they play.
> When golfers make a mistake, nobody is there to cover for them or back them
> up.
> The PGA Tour raises more money for charity in one year than the National
> Football League does in two.
> You can watch the best golfers in the world up close, at any tournament,
> including the majors, all day, every day for $25 or $30. The cost for a
> seat in the nosebleed section at the Super Bowl will cost around $300 or
> more.
> You can bring a picnic lunch to the tournament golf course, watch the
> best in the world and not spend a small fortune on food and drink. Try that
> at one of the taxpayer funded baseball or football stadiums. I brought a
> Coke
> into Oriole Park at Camden Yards last year, and an usher came to my seat and
> told me I had to dispose of it, or I would not be allowed to stay in the
> stadium.
> In golf you cannot fail 70% of the time and make $9 million a season,
> like the best baseball hitters (.300 batting average) do.
> Golf doesn't change its rules to attract Fans.
> Golfers keep their clothes on while they are being interviewed.
> Golf doesn't have free agency.
> In their prime, Greg Norman, Arnold Palmer and other stars, would shake
> your hand and say they were happy to meet you. In his prime Jose Canseco
> wore T-shirts that read "Leave Me Alone."
> You can hear birds chirping on the golf course during a tournament.
> Ladies are welcome players.
> At a golf tournament, (unlike at taxpayer funded sports staidium and
> arenas) you won't hear a steady stream of four letter words and nasty name
> calling while you're hoping that no one spills beer on you.

=================

To: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glen Codere
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:24:19 +0000
From: 

HEY GUYS! I'M HERE!!!!!

We're having a great time here in Arizona. Visiting with dad, playing golf, drinking beer....

There's a load of stuff here for me from young Mr Rittenberg, and from Mike Rich. I'll elaborate when I get back to Scotland.

Meantime, if anyone would like to call me here, the number is (480) 325 0424. No guarantees I'll be in...I might be on the golf course practicing for Vegas '03!!

Cheers for now!

Glenn Codere

============================================================
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:08:23 -0400
To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Glen Codere

Has anyone heard from Glen since he landed in Arizona?  I can't find a phone number for where he is staying but would like to speak with him.   Thanks.

=================

To: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glen Codere
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 16:25:39 +0000
From: 

HEY GUYS! I'M HERE!!!!!

We're having a great time here in Arizona. Visiting with dad, playing golf, drinking beer....

There's a load of stuff here for me from young Mr Rittenberg, and from Mike Rich. I'll elaborate when I get back to Scotland.

Meantime, if anyone would like to call me here, the number is (480) 325 0424. No guarantees I'll be in...I might be on the golf course practicing for Vegas '03!!

Cheers for now!

Glenn Codere

============================================================
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 
Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:08:23 -0400
To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Glen Codere

Has anyone heard from Glen since he landed in Arizona?  I can't find a phone number for where he is staying but would like to speak with him.   Thanks.

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 20:55:43 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The mother of all stupid questions
From: "rayluurs" 

OK how do i tell the difference between the two Tommy Holmes and Gus
zernail for that matter.  I pick up a Tommy Holmes wearing a raves
cap but in the little caption it has on the card states he is now
managing Hartford.  Which card is thi one Braves or Hartford.  I
guess i had assumed (i know i not suppose to) that the hats would be
different same with Zernail as a Athletic or WhiteSox

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 17:57:32 EDT
Subject: Oddball availables again
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jceru8600@aol.com

Hello Clubmates,

These oddballs proved to be popular the last time I sent an available list,
so I'll try it again.  (my guess since its been awhile that we post
availables in the ramblings server, if not please someone let me know,

I'm going to make these available as FCFS but, preference to folks that I
have not sent a pkg. to, since my return.

1960 Leaf #34 Griggs, Senators and #38 Spangler, Braves

1960 Fleer #15 Griffith and #73 Giles

1964 Topps Giants #17 Ellsworth, Cubs, #20 Hinton, Senators, #32 Pascual,
Twins, and #33 Ward, White Sox

1969 Deckles #5 Fregosi and #25 Koosman

1972 Fleer Famous Feats #5 Lou Gehrig

1974 TCMA 1936-1939 Yankee Dynasty, Joe Gallagher

1977 TCMA/Renata Galasso #6, Burgess, Pirates, #18 Jensen, Red Sox, #21
Goodman, Red Sox, #23 Wilhelm, Giants, #30 Pierce, White Sox, #32 Lopez,
White Sox, and #42 Aparicio, White Sox

1977 Kellogg's #49, Griffey, Reds

1978 Kellogg's #9 Johnson, Twins, #10 Foster, Reds, #12 Meyer, Mariners, #13
Chambliss, Yankees, #50 Forsch, Cards, and #52 Parker, Pirates

=================

Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:36:34 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: Food Issue FCFS
From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood 

Condition of the following cards are all over the map -  FCFS.

1962 Post - 56, 76, 94, 97,118, 120, 133 (Alou), 147 (Mathews), 160,
161, 162, 186 (Ashburn), 197

1977 Hostess Twinkees -

011 020 029 038 039 046 054 057 076 077 088 089 097 097 111 121 125 126
128 129 130 132 133 133 134 136 139 140 141 142 143 148

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Availables
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 14:55:08 -0700
From: "Geno Wagner" 





OBCers --


With an Illini and a Bears thumping behind me, I'm going to drown my football woes in cards.  Please do me a favor and request a few of these to lighten my dupes box:


1966:  8, 21, 22, 32, 33, 56, 68, 73, 84, 111, 121, 140, 157, 173, 174, 186, 188, 211, 236


1968:  55, 319, 325, 431


1970:  445


1979:  358


1977 Football:  163, 490


And to get my Bears back on the winning track against Buffalo next week, I need to unload a Bledsoe Rookie Card to a willing taker.  I don't know what it will take to get my beloved Illini a win against Michigan, maybe I'll have to unload an actual Wolverine (or a ground squirrel if I can't find one)...


Take Care, Geno


Geno Wagner



Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.


=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 04:45:01 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Food Issue FCFS
From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood 

> All cards have been claimed.  I am digging up another set of cards, and
> will post them later in the week.  I will mail out cards to all who
> responded mid-week.

> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 15:36:34 -0700 Erik & Leticia Greenwood
>  writes:
> > Condition of the following cards are all over the map -  FCFS.
> >
> > 1962 Post - 56, 76, 94, 97,118, 120, 133 (Alou), 147 (Mathews), 160,
> > 161, 162, 186 (Ashburn), 197
> >
> > 1977 Hostess Twinkees -
> >
> > 011 020 029 038 039 046 054 057 076 077 088 089 097 097 111 121 125
> > 126
> > 128 129 130 132 133 133 134 136 139 140 141 142 143 148
> >
> >
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Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 11:43:49 EDT
Subject: Vintage oddball Available and others
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- Since i always try to include some newer oddball cards
with cards i send to traders i thought i would offer a Vintage oddball- ( at
least i think it is an oddball)
1914 Polo Grounds -Cheney, (Chic. N.)
Mother's Cookies # 43- Tommy Heath, Manager ,San
Francisco Seals             1952 topps # 169- Howie Judson
1953 topps # 17- Billy Hitchcock
1955 topps # 68- Jim Davis
1966 topps # 288- Don Sutton/Bill Singer-
Rookie  Stars                           1969 topps # 572- Giants Heros-
Willie McCovey-Juan Marichal                    1972 topps # 728- Gail
Hopkins-Another much sought after card when i was a kid by girls because the
name was "Gail" -( also in the 1972 topps- the Billy Cowan # 19 was the most
sought after card by girls and a lot of boys because of the "halo" over
Cowan's cap-it was known as the "Angel" card- in 1972 the 3 cards i was
offered for mine in trade from another kid and i turned down will always
haunt me)               1973 topps # 100- Hank Aaron
and 1 Football Card- 1948 Leaf- # 38- Frank
Dancewitz- says Frank Dancewicz on back
and 1 card for trade- 1955 topps hi # 178-
Bobby Adams-Vg

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:06:16 EDT
Subject: Au Revoir
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jocraig@aol.com

The time has come for me to hang up my spikes.  For the past year I haven't
been an active participant in OBC and I don't see this situation changing in
the next year or two.

It's been a great ride.  For those of you who have been involved in OBC since
my initiation, OBC was instrument in "saving my life."  I discovered OBC
during my year-long recovery from heart surgery (thanks to Larry aka Guru).
The past six years have been great!  But for the past year I've got a lot
more than I've given.  As I mentioned at the outset of this e-mail, I don't
see that changing soon.  More importantly, I don't think that's fair to the
spirit of OBC (at least as I understand it).

Because I don't want to burn my bridges, I would like to be placed on the
roster" for the time being.  I truly have enjoyed my time with y'all (a
southern tradition).  I'd thank everyone personally but that would take a
great deal of time (and, besides, you know you who are).

In closing, I hope a simple "thanks" will suffice.  I wish you all well!

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:24:19 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another idea for Rick... a virtual card show!
To: XTrJmx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

Only having been in OBC for a little over 2 yers I did not know about
this OBC autographed BB, but it sounds like a wonderful idea.  Maybe we could
do this again for Rick.  I do not think we could get 140 on 1 ball, but I
wonder who many we could get.  Or maybe we could get a few balls going.  It
is a shame this was not mentioned before the National.  That would have been
a brilliant time to do the video and autographing.  Any comments from the
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 17:25:27 EDT
Subject: Richard, Where Are You?
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
From: MatShirley@aol.com

Hello All,
Tried twice to send Richard Hankins a thank you note to his new email
address. Both got kicked back. Anyone else been successful?

Richard, Where are you???

=================

To: 
Subject: Catch of the Century!
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 15:23:23 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

There was an apartment fire in Edmonton, Alberta yesterday...saw part of a
news clip on the tube...unbelieveable catch. One man had already jumped to
his death. The Edmonton Eskimos (Canadian Football League) were in a hotel
directly across the street and saw a woman hanging from her 4th floor
balcony, and ran over.  She apparently screamed that she was going to jump,
and the players yelled back "Go Girl!"  They formed a circle below and
caught her....she got away with just a scratch on her leg. Now THERE"S an
All Star catch for you.

Hopefully nobody "spiked" her after the catch. Great work guys!

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 18:49:54 -0400 (EDT)
To: mikesportsfan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another idea for Rick... a virtual card show!
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I like the idea of an OBC autograph baseball. Logistics would be tough,
but with the ingenuity of folks in this group
I think we could figure out a way to do it.
Maybe regional or "team" balls? If cardboard has healing power, think of
what rawhide could do!!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: 
Subject: Auto'd Ball
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 16:11:22 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

If it helps, I'll be responsible for getting the Pacific North West Chapter
organized....that would include myself, Mike D., Saint Al, Dave Fallen,
Brian Lindholme, and Todd Knowles....I guess anything looking even close to
a ML ball would do...somebody let me know if this is a go....and I'll go try
to find one.

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2002 20:01:45 -0400 (EDT)
To: grains@dccnet.com (Grant Rainsley)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auto'd Ball
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I'm not sure who approves these things but it sounds like it has legs.
Someone may want to get Glenn's signature on a ball before he goes back
across the pond.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 15:27:22 EDT
Subject: Re: Auto'd Ball
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

I've got a couple extra softballs in my trunk I could use... what about one
of those oversized Chicago style softballs? We could probably get quite a few
names on one of those. :-) I'll bring something to the Ft. Washington show
this weekend and carry it with me down the east coast on my vacation.

Ken M

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Auto'd Ball
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2002 18:56:38 -0700
From: "Geno Wagner" 

Ken and friends --

I hate to tell you, but a Chicago softball is not "oversized," it is
man-sized.  For those of you who prefer "softball" with gloves, they make
those silly little kid balls...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

> [Original Message]
> From: 
> To: 
> Date: 9/24/2002 12:27:33 PM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Auto'd Ball
> I've got a couple extra softballs in my trunk I could use... what about
> of those oversized Chicago style softballs? We could probably get quite a
> names on one of those. :-) I'll bring something to the Ft. Washington
> this weekend and carry it with me down the east coast on my vacation.
> Ken M
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To: 
Subject: new set....sort of.
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 00:58:03 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

I'm on vacation this week with no major projects or trips to take. So, I
decided to do a little baseball card maintenence. I added two sets to binders.
I usually do that when the cards needed to complete the set are less then
100. A local card show FINALLY had a dealer with some vintage cards atlow
grade prices and I picked up a couple of hundred, dropping my '59 and '61
sets below the mark.
I have a separate box that I keep about 2 or 3 hundred of my better cards
in. some people would rather look through it then go downstairs and go through
tons of binders and boxes. Also, the box fits in my safe. Anyway, this
leaves some holes in the binders, 2 to 8 per set plus the cards I'm still
I decided to make small index cards for each of the cards I took out ofthe
binder and place them in the binder with the card's number and player's
name so I'd know where the card was. By doing this I could also check my sets
and see if the holes in the binder matched up with my wantlist.
Well, as many of you have already guessed, they didn't. More than half of
the 23 binders had mistakes. cards I thought I needed, I don't. Cards I thought
I had, I didn't. Luckily, all the mistakes that added cards to my list,
only added commons. My binders only go up to 1978 and from 1974 up were
loaded as full sets. Strangely, two commons from the '77 set turned up missing
so I have added that as a new set to complete. You guys that like to complete
other peoples sets for them better hop on this easy one! ;~)  Also,
the '65 set had only nine left. It now has 10 but two, Mantle and E. Howard
are on the way via ebay hopefully, leaving 8 hi# semi stars, team cards and
Sorry for the long ramble to, basically, beg for cards but after about 10
hours at this task I needed some kind of outlet.

Greg (yaz)

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 11:57:33 EDT
Subject: Help for my brother
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

My younger brother blew into town this past weekend and hit my list with one
of the cards I figured would be on it for a long time...'59 Ted Signs #68...I
was floored.

Now the help part...when my brother was ten, he bought a Nolan Ryan rookie
from a local shop for $7...two years later we moved houses and the card was
lost...he loved that card and refuses to buy another because of the loss (he
thinks it was jinxed).
I have been looking at ebay the last few days and all the Ryans are either
PSAed or going for more than I am willing to spend. I would like to find a
Ryan in about g-vg condition (the same as my brothers), readable back, maybe
one crease...I know these are pricey and I need someone to shop for me at a
large show...I am wililng to spend $75-$100...I know it can be done...Help?
Ft. washington maybe?

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 18:14:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Auto'd Ball
From: "larrygersh" 

As an alumnus of Xavier University in Cincinnati, I had many Chicago
classmates, products of those Jesuit high schools up north. Of course
they brought that crazy form of baseball down here with them. All I
can remember other than the ton of beer drinking that accompanies
that particular game, was it felt like you were hitting a medicine
ball from my childhood gymn classes.
Fun memories,

--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Geno Wagner"  wrote:
> Ken and friends --
> I hate to tell you, but a Chicago softball is not "oversized," it is
> man-sized.  For those of you who prefer "softball" with gloves,
they make
> those silly little kid balls...
> Geno
> Geno Wagner
> illini90@e...
> Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.
> > [Original Message]
> > From: 
> > To: 
> > Date: 9/24/2002 12:27:33 PM
> > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Auto'd Ball
> >
> > I've got a couple extra softballs in my trunk I could use... what
> one
> > of those oversized Chicago style softballs? We could probably get
quite a
> few
> > names on one of those. :-) I'll bring something to the Ft.
> show
> > this weekend and carry it with me down the east coast on my
> >
> > Ken M
> >
> >
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> > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y...
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=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: Recent Acquisitions -- Mike Wheat Cards
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 17:18:11 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

New Page 1These look like pretty good deals.  Any one working on this set other
than Andy Cook?

Cobb $175
Dempsey $60
Eddie Shore $60    <-- Spike?

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Wheat's Auctions
To: srittenberg@broderick.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 5:00 PM
Subject: Recent Acquisitions -- Mike Wheat Cards

We have added a group of 28 Sport Kings to our inventory. Many of these areoff-grade,
so bargains abound! This is the last update we'll make before we
head to Philadelphia for the Ft. Washington show this weekend. Click on the
links below to visit our website.

Mike Wheat

RECENT ACQUISITIONS (to TABLE OF CONTENTS)RECENT ACQUISITIONS (to beginningof
listings) <<<
Subject: Question re Trader/Dealer
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2002 22:54:43 -0500
From: "wierzbickim" 

Hi, OBC!

I received an email from Jim McIlvane, who said that he has sold cards to several
members of OBC (and he mentioned two by name).  He provided a fairlylong
list of cards from my wantlist that he said he has available to sell.He
said that his cards are in "tiptop," "primo" shape (I told him that mycollection
tends to be off-grade, so I may not have a place for his cards).

Has anyone traded with/bought from Jim McIlvane?  If so, do you have any comments
about his grading policies and prices?

Thanks for any info.

Mike Wierzbicki

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Sponsor Stan?
Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 5:05:14 +0000
From: 

It's just been brought to my attention that player's pages at www.baseball-reference.com can be sponsored for one year at very reasonable prices. A quick check reveals that Stan Hack's page is available. This should be in our hands. What do you think?

ps Heading for the BOB on Friday night for the DBacks/Rockies game. Looking forward to taking some stick for wearing my Tigers cap!

=================

Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 13:14:26 EDT
Subject: Dude, Where's my car?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

Hi all,
First off, I'd like to give a quick thank you to Neal Thomas for hitting
the very empty first page of the 1963 binder with a pair of league leader
cards. THANKS NEAL!!
Yesterday was not a very good day for me. In the morning at work, I broke
a filling and went into the dentist's office to learn that I now need a root
canal to fix the damage. After getting a temporary patch and setting up three
hour long appointments, I got a nap. After waking up, I went to my softball
game. My team won despite my 0 for 4 effort that ended three of the last four
innings. (We had a 14 person lineup, so I ended one inning in which we batted
around and scored ten runs). After the game, I had to get to work and didn't
hang around. I rounded the corner where my car was parked and discovered it
was GONE!! One of my teammates had a cell phone and I called a few places to
find out it had not been towed... I still can't believe someone WANTED to
steal my car! This isn't even the worst part. Apparently in order to file a s
tolen car report, you need a photo ID and a copy of the registration. Well,
if I had those things, I wouldn't have to file a report - they're in my car!
Fortunately, a teammate has a sister on the Boston police force and they
called in a favor so I wouldn't have to drive home and back the next day to
get a police report. Today I have to run around getting a duplicate license
and a rental so I can make the trip to Ft. Washington, Charlotte and Miami
I've been planning for months. So if anyone sees a 1990 Toyota Camry with an
OBC hat in the back window, call the local authorities ;-) TAYL,

Ken M - BTW, my birthday is tomorrow. Anyone know what I want for a present?

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 03:07:21 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: A child is born
From: "rbhankins" 

I'm pleased to announce that my wonderful bride gave birth today to
our second son, Jackson Mitchell Hankins.  He weighed 8 lbs and 14
oz.  Fortunately, he has his mother's good looks and his father's
charming personality.  Everyone is doing fantastic and will likely
go home on Friday.

--Richard Hankins

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 08:17:53 -0400
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: FT WASHINGTON
From: dsh46@aol.com

Well,  I will be driving down with Bob Reed on Sat.  Hope to see you all at the show.  I'll have my cellphone, might make it easier to hook up there:  631-921-2811

Oh yeah!

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 21:29:44 EDT
Subject: oddball available
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com
From: jdelott@aol.com

I received a bonus from a recent auction.  Anyone looking for a McCovey made
by "TCMA Ltd. 1982-6"?

=================

Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 11:11:48 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] NEW OBC MEMBERS
From: Neal Thomas 

Hi all-

To give everyone a heads up on these two guys perfect for OBC< here
are Joe's and Peter's wantlists:

http://www.geocities.com/jsweet02881/needslist2.htm

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hoot-owl/bbccheck.htm

Have at 'em.

------------------ Reply Separator --------------------
Originally From: Peter Iversen 
Subject: [OBC-Announcements] NEW OBC MEMBERS
Date: 09/26/2002 10:02pm

Please join me in welcoming the newest OBC members!

Joe Sweet - jsweet2@cox.net
MENTOR - Joe Cerullo

Peter Mead - hoot-owl@comcast.net
MENTOR - Joel Glickman

We got a lot of positive feedback on these two guys - I think they
been sending and receiving cards from a lot of you guys in the group
already.  These two Rookies should be up and running in a few days -
their want lists added to the Directory page - and be able to access
Servers.  Once we hear from them feel free to welcome them to the
in the traditional OBC way! (or you can get a head start and e-mail
direct to get their want lists and get a jump on the rest of the

Thanks for the input - stay tuned for at least one more applicant for

Peter - obc (n)ew (m)ember (g)uy

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Saturday Waivers
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:00:47 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

Hi gang,

First I will start with an apology.  I have been among the crowd who has received
way more than I've given with OBC thus far this year.  Thanks again for
the many, many hits to my sets and several great trades I was able to work
out with some of you.

My story is the same a lot of you, I have just been too busy with work and other
priorities to scour wantlists for hours the way I would like to.  So,without
further ado (in a somewhat pitiful attempt to right the situation)I
will present a waiver wire list of availables, FCFS.  Condition is typical
OBC, unless otherwise noted.  Let me know what you need, and I will try to
hit everybody who responds with at least something.

1955 Topps

1956 Topps

1957 Topps

1958 Topps
313, 410

1959 Topps

1963 Topps
8, 17(2), 19, 22, 23, 31, 32, 39, 67, 79, 86, 100, 102 (has 3 of 4 corners)118,
143, 175, 179, 182, 212

1965 Topps
149, 168, 191(3 available), 272, 465, 546, 562

1966 Topps:
12(2), 46, 88, 122

1968 Topps:
15, 24, 26, 31, 42, 47, 49, 304.

1972 Topps:
3, 61, 68, 76, 90

John C. Collins

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Waivers
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 12:03:24 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

Also, if anyone is interested, I have a ton of 1977 Topps dupes that would make
a great starter set.   Free to the first good OBC home that requests them.

John C. Collins

----- Original Message -----
From: John Collins
To: OBC Ramblings
Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Saturday Waivers

Hi gang,

First I will start with an apology.  I have been among the crowd who has received
way more than I've given with OBC thus far this year.  Thanks again
for the many, many hits to my sets and several great trades I was able towork
out with some of you.

My story is the same a lot of you, I have just been too busy with work and
other priorities to scour wantlists for hours the way I would like to.  So,
without further ado (in a somewhat pitiful attempt to right the situation)
I will present a waiver wire list of availables, FCFS.  Condition is typical
OBC, unless otherwise noted.  Let me know what you need, and I will try
to hit everybody who responds with at least something.

1955 Topps

1956 Topps

1957 Topps

1958 Topps
313, 410

1959 Topps

1963 Topps
8, 17(2), 19, 22, 23, 31, 32, 39, 67, 79, 86, 100, 102 (has 3 of 4 corners)
118, 143, 175, 179, 182, 212

1965 Topps
149, 168, 191(3 available), 272, 465, 546, 562

1966 Topps:
12(2), 46, 88, 122

1968 Topps:
15, 24, 26, 31, 42, 47, 49, 304.

1972 Topps:
3, 61, 68, 76, 90

John C. Collins

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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:04:19 EDT
Subject: 1971 Milk Duds Question
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

Rose, Killebrew and Brooks Robinson are printed in this set on two boxes
each...are these the same poses or different poses? Thanks.

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 10:59:26 EDT
Subject: 1972 Topps Don Sutton color variation
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I was sorting out my 72s, comparing all my dupes for variations, and I found
one! Look at the two uniforms in the scans - one is white and the other is
gray. The difference is real life is even more stark.


http://members.aol.com/amcook93/72sutton.html

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 15:49:42 EDT
Subject: Available-1969 Tigers Scrapbook
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i purchased a notebook made into a scrapbook of articles
and pictures of the 1969 Tigers at a local swap meet this morning for $1-
Since i am not a Tigers fan i would like to make it available to an OBC
Tigers fan- This scrapbook looks like it was put together by a fan and
contains articles and pictures (some color) from spring training through the
1969 season- Among those there are articles and pictures on are- Al Kaline,
Mickey Lolich, Denny McLain,Dick McAuliffe,Earl Wilson, Bill Freehan,Norm
Cash,Jim Northrup, Gates Brown,Manager May O Smith,Joe Sparma, Willie
Horton,- Also a very interesting article on Denny McLain throwing a "nothing
ball" to Mickey Mantle just where he had requested it- chest high- and Mantle
then hitting a home run and nodding to McLain as he rounded the bases-
interesting- i am going to have to xerox that one before i send the scrapbook
to the new owner--Linda

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Johnston Cookies Aaron
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 17:18:22 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

Can somebody with a more extensive price guide than mine tell me the list prices
for a 1954 Johnston Cookies Hank Aaron?

I would appreciate it,

John C. Collins

=================

To: 
Subject: Missing in Action?
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 16:37:38 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Anybody know where that '62 Sporting News that was making the rounds is?
Haven't heard much about it for a long time....I know it went from Vancouver
to Bob in Kentucky to Peter in L.A.......sort of lost track of it at that

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Johnston Cookie Braves -- more questions !
Date: 30 Sep 2002 07:56:40 -0700
From: "jcollins12" 

Hi again,

Thanks to all of you responded to my price guide question yesterday.
In case you were wondering, I did manage to secure a '54 Johnston's
Hank Aaron for what I felt was a super deal.  Hopefully it will
arrive soon.

As is usually the case when I stumble onto anything slightly
oddball or out of mainstream interest, now that I have got a
start to these cards, I am interested in getting a lot more.

Could somebody also check and see what the list prices are on
a '55 Johnston's Aaron?  I remember reading somewhere that the
'55 set was even harder to come by, and the Aaron from that set
may be worth even more.  I have certainly never seen one on ebay,
that's for sure.

Also, if anybody has any Johnston's Braves cards (1953-1955)
possibly for trade, please let me know.  I would be very interested,
and especially for anything of Spahn, Mathews, or Aaron.

=================

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:12:56 EDT
Subject: Very OBC friendly dealer
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i would like to recommend  dealer John Morrison of Valley
Cottage , N.Y. to those in OBC who  don't know about him- He is a great
dealer who fairly grades cards and has provided me with a LOT of vintage
1950's traders- He has some sales listed on the OBC message board- i know he
does shows in the East- either Ft. Washington or the East Coast National in
White Plains- i have purchased cards from him directly and through his ebay
auctions- i have bought over 300 1950's cards from him and i am happy with
his fair pricing and grading- Linda

=================

Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 18:00:36 -0700
To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very OBC friendly dealer
From: 

What is his Ebay seller ID? He sounds familiar, but at my age, the memory is
going fast.
Big Al in Seattle

On Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:12:56 EDT jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote:

hi- this is Linda- i would like to recommend  dealer John Morrison of Valley
Cottage , N.Y. to those in OBC who  don't know about him- He is a great
dealer who fairly grades cards and has provided me with a LOT of vintage
1950's traders- He has some sales listed on the OBC message board- i know he
does shows in the East- either Ft. Washington or the East Coast National in
White Plains- i have purchased cards from him directly and through his ebay
auctions- i have bought over 300 1950's cards from him and i am happy with
his fair pricing and grading- Linda

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:55:14 -0500
To: 
Subject: Missing in Action
From: "Don Metz" 

The '62 Sporting News made it to me.  I packed it up with a collection of '62
hits (of the music variety) and pony expressed it Howard Morgan.  I hopeHoward
got it, they were good hits in '62.

Don Metz

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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:58:47 EDT
Subject: eBay problem resolved.
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com


I bought a 1949 Satchell Paige from dealer Luv2shop_46033@yahoo.com.  The
card arrived, I took a quick look, and gave him positive feedback.  Then I
realized the color was wrong and the card was slightly larger than a 49B.  I
complained to the dealer, who immediately responded that he didn't know, that
it was the only 49B he had, and to please return it for a full refund and
positive feedback.  He has emailed me 3 times to be sure everything is ok and
the card is on its way back.  His response has been quick and positive.  Very
impressive.  - Doug