================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-National] THE NATL. cookout, swap, directions, hotels Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 06:31:25 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Gary, and all, I see Ken answered the questions on tickets. As far as Friday goes at my house, I'm sure there will be some swapping going on. It will probably not compare to the Sat. night swap. My guess is that Friday will bring a number of different faces together for the first time, and conversation, stories, food, etc. will take up a lot of peoples time. Feel free to bring your dupes. Bring your wantlists. I will have a table set up in the garage with a mesh of stuff that could use a new home. I sent directions the other day from major roads. For more info call me. 1 219 614 1651 cell 1 219 365 7753 home ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-National] THE NATL. cookout, swap, directions, hotels hi dave: looking forward to seeing you next week. question about tickets for the show. i see you can purchase them online - do you need to buy them in advance? do you get in faster if you do? i assume its too late to mail them out, is there a will call window? i see that there is a national eBay auction on saturday nite, same time as our swap session. will the swap session at your house be different from the one on saturday nite? tnx, gary mandell Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Click here to find your contact lenses! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:13:12 -0400 (EDT) To: kellysdad@hotmail.com (Brad Chambers) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCers in Chicago or National attendees From: Originaleek@webtv.net Hey Kellysdad, this is Kelli's dad. I plan on arriving in the windy city sometime thursday. It would be great if we could get together. I'll let you know when I figure out where I will be staying. I'll be driving so I will have as much mobility as the Chi-town traffic allows. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 08:50:17 -0400 (EDT) To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com (David Kolenda) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] THE NATL. cookout, swap, From: Originaleek@webtv.net David, et al, Ok, I can now say with almost 100% surety that I will be attending the National and the friday cook-out, sans spouse unfortunately. I plan on driving down on thursday sometime. Since I'm driving I can give lifts to some folks. However I must insert this disclaimer: "passengers are at risk for arriving at unknown destinations!" Which means I don't know Chicago and even if I did, I have a lousy sense of direction and am prone to get lost (but I generally make real good time in doing so). I'm looking forward to my first National and more importantly meeting a bunch more OBCer's. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2002 18:34:15 EDT Subject: East Coast National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Is anyone planning to go to the East Coast National in White Plains? If so, is anybody planning on going Friday? Jeff D. ================= Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 22:18:49 -0400 Subject: Wet and Woeful!!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, uvlist@yahoogroups.com, From: Mark S Talbot Hello All, I returned home from work this evening to my horror of horrors. Water in the basement!!!! Now of course, as many of you know "she who must be obeyed" does not share me zeal for card collecting and has relegated most of my collecting activities to the basement. So to say the least I had a bit of worry when I plunged into the abyss that awaited me. Fortunately, all of the main collection was "high and dry" and for that I am grateful. I managed to rescue 1000's of cards from wet 5000 count boxes that had not yet effected the cardboard. The only major causality was a 5000 count box of `89 and `90 Upper Deck cards that I had recently yanked out of the attic because I was going to get adventurous on organize the box and make a couple sets. They were completely soaked, I'll say one thing for UV cards they are particularly gross when they are soaking wet. I am pretty sure that I didn't have the Griffey Jr. card that is the `89 set in there but I have no idea. I stuffed that box in the attic a decade ago with little regard to what was in there and only recently with the advent of the UVLIST server rekindled interest in putting some of those sets together. Nonetheless it was still a painful act to heave these wet monsters in a huge garbage bag - UV or not I was grieving the loss of cardboard that could have been collected. Oh well, I can now concentrate on more valuable endeavors now such as working on my Topps quest `51 to `80. Thanks for listening, somehow telling you about this makes me feel better. After all I always say its only cardboard!!!! Besides when I think of some of the challenges faced by some of our members this year this really does seem insignificant. Thanks for hearing me out. Here's wishing that all of you stay HIGH AND DRY - BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 19:57:39 +0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Test From: Lynn Miller Seeing if it gets through or bounced. If it bounces, then I will have to reset my Yahoo Groups again. I suppose there is no other way to correct this then to send this message everyday to ensure that I am receiving the Server emails. Sorry, Lynn ================= To: Subject: Lancaster Jethawks Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 06:04:09 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I would like to plan an Aug 14th Jethawks (Single A) outing for the So Cal folks and anyone who may be in the area (Richard H?, anyone else?). Let meknow if you are interested in coming and I'll start a list... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 14:18:45 EDT Subject: Vacation and Book Talk To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smart1853@aol.com Just a short note to all...I will be away on vacation from Saturday to Saturday. I am heading to Vermont to do some running at a camp up there with my sister and my friend. I'll be sure to get thanks out to anyone that delivers cards to me while I am away. Also, yesterday I was fortunate enough to get my copy of "The Book". The Great American Baseball Card Flipping, Trading & Bubble Gum Book was delivered to me from Albany by a family friend. Just flipping through it was very cool. I have had to keep myself from reading it yet so that I can have something to occupy the 6 hour trip tomorrow. I can't wait to get into it. I'll be back on 8/10. Until then, Brian Dwyer ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 20:37:02 -0400 Subject: vacation notice From: richard a kimball hello group, im going on vacation on friday aug 9 for the week,ill be going to chincoteauge,va and rehoboth,del. anyone being anywhere in the area to meet up with let me know and ill see what i can do.also,does anybody know of any good card stops in those areas or in between to see ,as ill have 8 days to check them out.im going to send cardboard out this week so as i have something to get out of the mail when i get back except bills. let me know of any help. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: Subject: San Fran for the Griswalds Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2002 21:16:57 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- My wife, the kids, and Myself (in Clark Griswald fashion) are headed for San Francisco for a little R&R from the 18th to about the 22nd. Sharon has never been there, and it's one of my favorite cities so we are excited to go. If anybody wants to meet somewhere for a little seafood, we'd love to hook up. Maybe I can try to hit a halfrubber ball to Alcatraz, Trips! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 12:58:11 EDT Subject: The National...final tally? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey boys.. Looking to get a final checklist to see who is going. I'll be arriving Wed afternoon. I'd like to see if I can check some lists before I go from my measley dupes box (which I plan on changing at the national). I'll be at the Radisson O'Hare and I can be reached on my cell phone at 516-361-3768 (I better remember the charger!). This has the makings of an all-time OBC gathering, even though I will miss the Sat nite activities. My computer O/S crashed, and of course my wantlists were on that one. Hopefully I can rebuild it from the last version I posted on the web. And Ken, yes, I still have the hat $$, I'll be wearing my original version OBC cap. Anyone have a specific way they attack the show? I tend to go up and down, take notes, then go back and go into negotiate mode. I know me and Steve will not only be looking at baseball cards, but we may even consummate a fantasy trade or two! See you folks Wed and/or Thursday. Ahhhhhh, o/~ My kind of town Chicago is... ================= To: Subject: Moses Malone RC anyone? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 10:12:53 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I have seven, yes seven, 1975-76 Utah Stars Team Leader cards featuring a very young Moses Malone (#286). I think it is his rookie season, but I'm not sure. They are in great shape, so if anybody wants to trade a 1953 Mickey Mantle for one of them, let me know. If you don't have a '53 Mick, I'll just give it to you for a smile! I'll be gone Sun-Thurs, but will mail them when I get back... Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 14:11:58 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Sal, Here is a list of those who it looks like will be around. This list is not 100 % accurate I'm sure. Mark Atnip Brad Chambers Joe Cerullo Greg Conway Al Cummings Rick Ellison Sal Domino Joel Glickman Kent Goto Mike Hair Jim Hatch Earl Kilbourn David Kolenda Gary Mandell Ken Morganti Doug Smith Tim Newcomb Ron Perry Steve Rittenberg George Vrechek Mike Wierzbicki Mac Wubben Hope I did not leave anyone off the list. If I did just hit reply to all and add your name in. It looks like a very good showing for OBC. The cookout is Friday at our place. ALL ARE INVITED, ALONG WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THE SWAP SESSIONS IS SAT. NIGHT. Take the ones from the list above who will be around for the cookout, add a few more that have not been heard from yet, and this could be the largest singlr gathering of OBCers at one time. Ft. Wash in Dec. 1998 had 18 if I remember right. See you all in less than a week. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? > Hey boys.. > Looking to get a final checklist to see who is going. I'll be arriving > afternoon. I'd like to see if I can check some lists before I go from my > measley dupes box (which I plan on changing at the national). I'll be at > Radisson O'Hare and I can be reached on my cell phone at 516-361-3768 (I > better remember the charger!). This has the makings of an all-time OBC > gathering, even though I will miss the Sat nite activities. > My computer O/S crashed, and of course my wantlists were on that one. > Hopefully I can rebuild it from the last version I posted on the web. And > Ken, yes, I still have the hat $$, I'll be wearing my original version OBC > cap. Anyone have a specific way they attack the show? I tend to go up and > down, take notes, then go back and go into negotiate mode. I know me and > Steve will not only be looking at baseball cards, but we may even > a fantasy trade or two! See you folks Wed and/or Thursday. > Ahhhhhh, o/~ My kind of town Chicago is... > Sal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Guru Update Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:15:06 -0400 From: "larry.tipton" Guru Update Yes I am still alive and kicking. Just over a year ago my wife of 26 years left our children and me. Has it already been a year? I am doing better. I am trusting in God to help me through this and He has not disappointed me yet. I have to be strong for my kids. My wife and I remain separated I have no plans to divorce her, but I do not know what her plans are. I became a grandfather for the first time earlier this year. I baby-sit JulieAnn a couple of times a week and it is a real joy. I am staying busy withChurch activities. I also bought a bicycle and have been getting into thatalthough not quite enough to buy a pair of those funny looking shorts! We have a 14.5 mile bike trail near here. An old railroad bed converted to a paved bike path very very nice. I have bought a few baseball cards on Ebay. I need just 11 1967s to complete the set and only 3 1966s to complete that set. Latest purchase was a couple of needed 56s. My collection is very important to me and of course it could not be possible without OBC. I really enjoy the ramblings, and I especially like the links to Ebay items that everyone provides. Baseball cards are still fun. My youngest is almost 17, so I can't really be taking off to the National or Las Vegas until after he turns 18. But after that watch out.I hope to be more active in OBC soon. It has been a tough year for me, but through it all I have been faithful. Faithful to God, faithful to my children, faithful to my granddaughter, and faithful to my Christian walk. I know that I am a very blessed person. Psalms Chapter 1 tells me that not only am I blessed, but whatever I do it shall prosper. Our church is starting up a care group next week for divorced and separated people. I think this might be helpful to me too. Keep praying for my family and me. ================= To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com, Subject: RE: [OBC-National] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:21:03 -0400 From: abaran@perriergroup.com I will be at the show on Thursday and Sunday, but will be out of town on Friday and Saturday. Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters North America Inc. (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: David Kolenda [mailto:dkolenda@surfnetinc.com] Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:12 PM To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; ChicoD1@aol.com; Subject: [OBC-National] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? Sal, Here is a list of those who it looks like will be around. This list is not 100 % accurate I'm sure. Mark Atnip Brad Chambers Joe Cerullo Greg Conway Al Cummings Rick Ellison Sal Domino Joel Glickman Kent Goto Mike Hair Jim Hatch Earl Kilbourn David Kolenda Gary Mandell Ken Morganti Doug Smith Tim Newcomb Ron Perry Steve Rittenberg George Vrechek Mike Wierzbicki Mac Wubben Hope I did not leave anyone off the list. If I did just hit reply to all and add your name in. It looks like a very good showing for OBC. The cookout is Friday at our place. ALL ARE INVITED, ALONG WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THE SWAP SESSIONS IS SAT. NIGHT. Take the ones from the list above who will be around for the cookout, add a few more that have not been heard from yet, and this could be the largest singlr gathering of OBCers at one time. Ft. Wash in Dec. 1998 had 18 if I remember right. See you all in less than a week. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? > Hey boys.. > Looking to get a final checklist to see who is going. I'll be arriving > afternoon. I'd like to see if I can check some lists before I go from my > measley dupes box (which I plan on changing at the national). I'll be at > Radisson O'Hare and I can be reached on my cell phone at 516-361-3768 (I > better remember the charger!). This has the makings of an all-time OBC > gathering, even though I will miss the Sat nite activities. > My computer O/S crashed, and of course my wantlists were on that one. > Hopefully I can rebuild it from the last version I posted on the web. And > Ken, yes, I still have the hat $$, I'll be wearing my original version OBC > cap. Anyone have a specific way they attack the show? I tend to go up and > down, take notes, then go back and go into negotiate mode. I know me and > Steve will not only be looking at baseball cards, but we may even > a fantasy trade or two! See you folks Wed and/or Thursday. > Ahhhhhh, o/~ My kind of town Chicago is... > Sal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2002 15:59:57 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru Update To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Larry it is great to hear from you interesting that you wrote today. I was just thinking last night that I should write and see if anyone had heard from you or Terry Woods. I hope we hear from Terry soon also. I am sorry to hear about your hard year but, glad that you have such a positive attitude towards life's troubles! Be well my friend and thanks for thinking enough to contact us! Has anyone heard from Terry Woods? Terry if you are out there please email us and let us know you are OK! ================= Date: Sat, 03 Aug 2002 22:37:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The National...final tally? From: "larrygersh" Assumimg you gave me accurate directions(:-)? I'll be there. Nancy & I will be leaving Cincy about 2pm Chicago time on Fri. My daughter's boy friend lives west of Chi town in a burg called Batavia, so she's taking the opportunity of a free ride also. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "David Kolenda" wrote: > Sal, Here is a list of those who it looks like will be around. This list > is not 100 % accurate I'm sure. > Mark Atnip > Brad Chambers > Joe Cerullo > Greg Conway > Al Cummings > Rick Ellison > Sal Domino > Joel Glickman > Kent Goto > Mike Hair > Jim Hatch > Earl Kilbourn > David Kolenda > Gary Mandell > Ken Morganti > Doug Smith > Tim Newcomb > Ron Perry > Steve Rittenberg > George Vrechek > Mike Wierzbicki > Mac Wubben > Hope I did not leave anyone off the list. If I did just hit reply to all > and add your name in. > It looks like a very good showing for OBC. The cookout is Friday at our > place. ALL ARE INVITED, ALONG WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THE SWAP > IS SAT. NIGHT. > Take the ones from the list above who will be around for the cookout, add a > few more that have not been heard from yet, and this could be the > singlr gathering of OBCers at one time. Ft. Wash in Dec. 1998 had 18 if I > remember right. > See you all in less than a week. > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:58 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? > > Hey boys.. > > Looking to get a final checklist to see who is going. I'll be > Wed > > afternoon. I'd like to see if I can check some lists before I go from my > > measley dupes box (which I plan on changing at the national). I'll be at > the > > Radisson O'Hare and I can be reached on my cell phone at 516-361- 3768 (I > > better remember the charger!). This has the makings of an all- time OBC > > gathering, even though I will miss the Sat nite activities. > > My computer O/S crashed, and of course my wantlists were on that > > Hopefully I can rebuild it from the last version I posted on the web. And > > Ken, yes, I still have the hat $$, I'll be wearing my original version OBC > > cap. Anyone have a specific way they attack the show? I tend to go up and > > down, take notes, then go back and go into negotiate mode. I know me and > > Steve will not only be looking at baseball cards, but we may even > consummate > > a fantasy trade or two! See you folks Wed and/or Thursday. > > Ahhhhhh, o/~ My kind of town Chicago is... > > > > Sal > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 01:23:05 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru Update To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I can pretty much say for the group that we have always been there for you and if you need anything to just let us know. BTW, drop your '66 and '67 list to the server. Keep the faith and take care. ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 00:22:52 -0500 From: "Carl" It looks like I will be able to attend on Saturday. I am still trying to clear "waivers" for Sat. Night. Might be able to stop by for a quick ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Kolenda" To: ; ; Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? > Sal, Here is a list of those who it looks like will be around. This list > is not 100 % accurate I'm sure. > Mark Atnip > Brad Chambers > Joe Cerullo > Greg Conway > Al Cummings > Rick Ellison > Sal Domino > Joel Glickman > Kent Goto > Mike Hair > Jim Hatch > Earl Kilbourn > David Kolenda > Gary Mandell > Ken Morganti > Carl Mura > Doug Smith > Tim Newcomb > Ron Perry > Steve Rittenberg > George Vrechek > Mike Wierzbicki > Mac Wubben > Hope I did not leave anyone off the list. If I did just hit reply to all > and add your name in. > It looks like a very good showing for OBC. The cookout is Friday at our > place. ALL ARE INVITED, ALONG WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. THE SWAP SESSIONS > IS SAT. NIGHT. > Take the ones from the list above who will be around for the cookout, add > few more that have not been heard from yet, and this could be the largest > singlr gathering of OBCers at one time. Ft. Wash in Dec. 1998 had 18 if I > remember right. > See you all in less than a week. > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2002 11:58 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The National...final tally? > > Hey boys.. > > Looking to get a final checklist to see who is going. I'll be arriving > Wed > > afternoon. I'd like to see if I can check some lists before I go from > > measley dupes box (which I plan on changing at the national). I'll be > the > > Radisson O'Hare and I can be reached on my cell phone at 516-361-3768 (I > > better remember the charger!). This has the makings of an all-time OBC > > gathering, even though I will miss the Sat nite activities. > > My computer O/S crashed, and of course my wantlists were on that one. > > Hopefully I can rebuild it from the last version I posted on the web. > > Ken, yes, I still have the hat $$, I'll be wearing my original version > > cap. Anyone have a specific way they attack the show? I tend to go up > > down, take notes, then go back and go into negotiate mode. I know me > > Steve will not only be looking at baseball cards, but we may even > consummate > > a fantasy trade or two! See you folks Wed and/or Thursday. > > Ahhhhhh, o/~ My kind of town Chicago is... > > > > Sal > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:33:44 EDT Subject: Thought some might like to know To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I normally don't get too personal with my ramblings, but this may be a big week in my life; and I thought I would just pass on what is happening to all of my close friends in this group. I am a finalist for the position of principal of our junior high school (which I hope will soon be a true middle school) and I should find out about it either this week or next. I am currently the asst. principal and am one of three being considered. In all honesty, I don't think the odds are in my favor. I have heard rumors from very reliable sources that there is some behind-the-scenes political nonsence going on. I have never been very good at that kind of stuff, but I really believe that my appointment would be in the best interests of the kids (pretty self-serving, huh?) and I intend to fight like hell this week (as I have for several weeks now), to see that I and the kids get a fair shake. Just want to ask you to wish me luck and remember this situation in your prayers. That has worked miracles in the past in this group. ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 07:36:43 EDT Subject: oooops To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com nonsence = nonsense A would-be principal should be able to spell. ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:12:20 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: One more incoming to go From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Three of the final four cards for Rick's 1955 set hit here yesterday. Ken Morganti sends a Yogi, an anonymouos donor sends a Duke, and ebay seller by the name of 'nicetomeet_you' does OBC a huge favor and alters his payment/shipping policy. Thanks, Chris, and I encourage OBCers to check out any of his future auctions. One more incoming from Ed Pike, and the remainder of Rick's '55 set will be on the way to him. Thanks, ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:22:12 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Thought some might like to know To: Friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Friar - You can count on me! Good Luck! I will be rooting for you! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 13:24:50 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] San Fran for the Griswalds To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Geno - Margaret and I will be returning from Chicago/Milwaukee the same day you plan on arriving in San Francisco. I work in the city and you can call me starting Monday the 19th my numbers follow: Work (415) 744-1530 Ext 242 Home (510) 797-9220 Cell (510) 378-4666 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 14:53:59 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Thought some might like to know To: Friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I'll light a baseball card for you ~=BFo ! Go get 'em! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:00:21 EDT Subject: Availables- Obak, Play Ball, Goudey, 52 topps To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda & Tim- i won an OBAK on the local card shop bid board for 50 cents yesterday and since i don't collect that set it is up or grabs- Availables- OBAK - Hetling, Portland, P.C.L. 1940 Play Ball- # 95- Hugh Mulcahy- Phillies 1933 Goudey # 182 (too bad it isn't # 181!)- Andy High-( i just met Andy Cook-the pre war specialist this week and he collects the 33 Goudeys- you got High? , Andy) - 1952 topps # 245- Sherry Robertson- some paper loss from scuffs 1952 topps # 150- Ted Beard- 1953 topps # 13- Connie Marrero 1955 Bowman # 239- UMP- Edwin Rommel=says on back of card- "Ancestry German"- I wonder,? to paraphrase Gen. MacArthur, -old Nazi's don't die- they just become American League umpires! 1961 topps hi # 571- Billy Pierce 1950 Bowman # 240 - Eddie Lake- Tigers 1958 topps # 195- Whitey Lockman- EX-Mint -great condition card! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 15:10:13 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ERNIE HARWELL: Players, owners should listen to Aesop From: Originaleek@webtv.net ================= To: Subject: spam relief Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 18:14:32 -0700 From: "yaz" Please change my email address in your books to yazmon@sigecom.net I am going to make a stab at cutting down my spam. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:33:06 EDT Subject: National Update, Margaret will be driving :-) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - It looks like Margaret will be flying into Chicago on Friday the 9th arriving around 2:30 PM and plans on driving to David's house to meet up with me. David if you have good directions from the airport to your house please send them! I will be attending the National with Joel sometime after noon when I am finished work on Friday the 9th and will be wearing my new OBC hat. I just talked Margaret into staying in Chicago Saturday and we will leave for Milwaukee sometime Sunday. I hope to make the trading session on Saturday night and hope to meet many of you on Friday at the National, at David's Friday evening or Saturday at the National! Margaret has no interest in attending the National on Saturday and suggested we go to a museum in Chicago, yea right. I will let my lovely wife attend the museum while I attend the National! If you don't have my hotel number or didn't print my message with the information on where I will be staying please call me on my cell phone to meet if your are not going to be at David's house Friday night. I would like to meet as many of you as possible in person on Friday or Saturday at the National or at David's house! My cell phone number is (510) 378-4666! Another Baseball Quote: "Goodbye boys I am done with this kind of living." -------Billy Sunday upon quitting baseball to go into preaching ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 22:54:53 EDT Subject: Where is Terry Woods? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Chahta@eudoramail.com From: tply@aol.com All - As I type this I am watching Sunday night baseball with the greatest 2nd Baseman of all time announcing, none other than Joe Morgan (That should smoke Terry out if he is reading ramblings)! Actually in all seriousness if any of you have heard from Terry please let me know before I try to call him with the numbers I have. Txpoobah is one of the original OBCer's and I miss his presence! This group has gone through many changes over the last decade plus but, we have always tried to keep up with each others lives good and bad and I would like that to continue. Another Baseball Quote: "It depends on the length of the game." ------King Kelly's response to a reporter asking if he ever drank while playing, late 19th century ================= To: Subject: ballgame Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 19:54:00 -0700 From: "AL Cummings" I went to the Mariners game today. Big Deal, you say?!? Well in a way it was. It was my first game ever at Safeco Field. I have not been to a home game since the last game at the Kingdome. How was it? Well. They lost. We got there too late to get free trading cards and Seattle fans are stupid. The cards had something to do with it as 100's of people were just standing in the way saying" Anyone got an extra #25?" Half the people there don't come to see baseball. They just want to be somewhere and the M's are a hot ticket. I miss the lovable losers of the mid 80's that you could walk up at game time and get seats on the 3rd base line. Now you have buy seat 3 months ahead of time and hope the team you get are decent. Well the tribe is OK but we could have easily sweep them with just a little more pitching. It was 8-8in the 9th and our closer blew it. I had a seat right down the line in left. Bret Boone hit a homerun right to me except it hit the screen on the foul pole. I probably would have muffed it anyhow. Cool was a young kid like 3? there with his dad and having some fun and entertaining the group around him. The crowd started to leave when they gave up the first run in the 9th,those that didn't leave after 7 that is. It was a long game, almost 4 hours. 30 some hits between the teams and plenty of action. Just too much Indians to sweep the series. I might go back next year, lot of walking and stuffbut a good day. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2002 23:19:28 EDT Subject: National, I forgot to mention To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - I forgot to mention I will be in Chicago on Tuesday, August 6th throughout the week and would be happy to meet with anyone that can't make the barbecue on Friday or the National/Swapping session on Saturday. I will be staying at the Holiday Inn 506 West Harrison Street (312) 957-9100. If you will be in town and can't get together on the weekend please call me at the hotel or on my cell phone and perhaps we can meet somewhere in the greater Chicago area. My cell phone number (once again) 510-378-4666. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update, Margaret will be driving :-) Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 07:15:29 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Rick, I'm guessing it O'hara she's flying into. Have the rental car place point here in the direction of I-190. Take I-190 east towards chicago for approx. 1 mile. Get on the toll road I-294 south. I 294 ends and merges into I-80. Stay on I-80 east for approx. 7 miles till you get to Illinois 394. From there follow directions below. >From Illinois 394, which starts at the junction of I-80, I-94, Get onto illinois 394 south (the only direction it goes). Go 9.4 miles to the 3rd stop light (exchange road) Turn left at stop light and continue for 4.6 miles to the 4th stop sign. Turn right on White Oak and go .6 miles to 107th st.(3rd street on the left. Turn left onto 107th, go to the 2nd street(ManorDrive) and turn right. 3rd house on the left is where it all happens (10733 Manor Drive) ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2002 9:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update, Margaret will be driving :-) All - It looks like Margaret will be flying into Chicago on Friday the 9th arriving around 2:30 PM and plans on driving to David's house to meet up with me. David if you have good directions from the airport to your house please send them! I will be attending the National with Joel sometime after noon when I am finished work on Friday the 9th and will be wearing my new OBC hat. I just talked Margaret into staying in Chicago Saturday and we willleave for Milwaukee sometime Sunday. I hope to make the trading session onSaturday night and hope to meet many of you on Friday at the National, at David's Friday evening or Saturday at the National! Margaret has no interest in attending the National on Saturday and suggested we go to a museum in Chicago, yea right. I will let my lovely wife attend the museum while I attend the National! If you don't have my hotel number or didn't print my message with the information on where I will be staying please call me on my cell phone to meetif your are not going to be at David's house Friday night. I would like tomeet as many of you as possible in person on Friday or Saturday at the National or at David's house! My cell phone number is (510) 378-4666! Another Baseball Quote: "Goodbye boys I am done with this kind of living." -------Billy Sunday upon quitting baseball to go into preaching Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 18:04:04 EDT Subject: obc hats To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com ok, i've obviously missed something here regarding the new hats. what do i have to do to get one? i thought i had kept up with all the details but obviously my habit of having a few beers while i surf the web and compose e-mails is not working in some contexts................ ================= Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2002 20:44:08 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where is Terry Woods? To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Chahta@eudoramail.com From: GHAY1@aol.com Terry is alive and well. Went to the ballpark with him on Friday. He mentioned that he had changed ISP's and hadn't gotten it changed with OBC. He's a busy man and hasn't had a lot of time to handle such important ================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 07:31:23 EDT Subject: Road to the Nationals To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com On a warm New Hampshire morning, a man looks out over the lake and ponders the event that are about to take place in the next couple days. Just further south, another man packs the last few cards into his car that's stuffed with clothes, a laptop, a computer, plus a large box of nothing but hats. In the desert southwest, a man finishes mowing his lawn, wipes his brow from the early morning heat. He thinks about his impending trip to a cooler climate and wonders if he'll see rain for the first time in two years. On the West coast, still another finalizes directions and hopes he'll be able to apprehend the infamous Chicago cheese smuggler on this next trip. In the nation's capitol, a man readies his stacks of wantlists, only half of which are his own and meditates about his bargaining tactics. In another corner of the country, a man stuffs the last few T205 and T206 dupes he can find into his dupes box and readies them for his journey. Near Chicago, yet another scrambles to tidy up the house he still appears to be moving into in preparation for a huge party. In a few short days all these paths and then some would cross and history would be made... [To Be Continued] ================= Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2002 12:40:00 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Paul Biggs Hello all, Most of you have probably not heard of me yet, as I have just become a member last month. Unfortunately, my membership to the group was approved just as I have had to start dealing with a separation from my wife (and my kids, kind of). To make a long story really short, I've moved, everything is packed in boxes, and most of my lists are on the computer at my ex's place. I'm kind of disorganized right now, and I don't have the opportunity or the inclination to do anything with cards at the moment. I'm way out in left field, so to speak. So, I just wanted to apologize to you all for not participating in the group thus far and I wanted to let everyone know that there is a reason - I'd really like to be involved in the group. I hope you'll bear with me and I should be back in action soon. I also have an address change to report - I'm not sure where I should be sending it, but hopefully it'll get to the right person from here. My new address is: Paul Biggs 1211 - 814 Allegheny Drive Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada R3T 5L2 Thanks everyone for your patience and I hope to trade with all of you really soon. Best regards, Paul Biggs Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better ================= Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:40:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Road to the Nationals From: "rayluurs" as I read Ken's rambling.........i just envisioned Ken sitting on top of his doghouse bent over his typewriter . You think Charles Schultz had Ken in mind when he cam up with the Snoopy character:-) ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: 1972 Topps website Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:11:46 -0400 From: "John Collins" If you like the '72 Topps set, you have to check this out: http://www.1972topps.com An entire website devoted to this set. I'm pretty sure this isn't one of our guys, because the collectors listed on the site are looking for PSA graded stuff, 7and 8 or higher. But the site appears to be a tremendous resource to learn about errors and variations, etc. The guy even found the proper font to make the site appear like a '72 Topps card !! Thought I would pass along... John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 00:20:53 EDT Subject: The National is here! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok guys, Looks like I got everything I needed to take with me packed. I had to totally rebuild my wantlist, next move is a hammer to my computer. I'll be arriving Wed around 1 PM Chicago time. I don't know if Al will be there already or when Steve is arriving. I saw a note about dinner somewheres, but I couldnt read it. I'm up for whatever the crew decides. I won't have email access (I'm leaving the laptop home, too much temptation to work when I carry it), so someone call me on the cell 516-361-3768. You ever get that giddy feeling when you were a kid when you knew you were being taken to a game or Six Flags or something like that? Yeah, I've got it now. The batteries are charging in the digital, I brought some dupes (they all have to go, I need to make room for the National haul), and I'm looking forward to seeing some new faces and some I haven't seen since Fort Washingon a lifetime ago. I'll leave this go at this point, as Ken is the official biographer for OBC ! I'll see some tomorrow and others as the week goes on. In order to find me, look down and look for a maroon OBC cap! ================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:26:00 EDT Subject: Club valuation: should LT contracts be expensed like stock options? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com You've heard of the 'phantom double play' on the diamond, here is the 'phantom loss' play in the owner's box... AOL Sports: MLB News: Regular-Season Coverage Doubleday Claims Baseball Tried to Deflate Mets' Value Says Books Created 'Phantom Losses' By RONALD BLUM .c The Associated Press NEW YORK (Aug. 6) -- A co-owner of the New York Mets accused baseball commissioner Bud Selig of conspiring with a former Arthur Andersen accountant to "manufacture phantom operating losses'' in the sport's books. Nelson Doubleday, in papers filed Tuesday in federal court in New York, said the commissioner's office was "in cahoots'' with Fred Wilpon, his co-owner, to put an artificially low value on the team. Wilpon is attempting to buy out Doubleday under the provisions of an agreement they made when they bought the team in 1986. "MLB orchestrated a sham process that not only mistreated Doubleday and betrayed his trust; it actively favored Wilpon and engineered a result that served MLB's other and conflicting interests,'' Doubleday's lawyers said. Last month, the former limited partner of the Montreal Expos sued Selig under federal racketeering laws, claiming he conspired to dilute their investments. Selig isn't a defendant in the Doubleday suit, but he was accused of trying to inflate losses as part of his strategy in labor talks with the players' association. Selig claims the 30 teams had $232 million in operating losses last year and the sport needs widespread changes in its next labor contract, currently under negotiation. Wilpon sued Doubleday last month to force him to accept a buyout based on a $391 million evaluation made in April by Robert Starkey, a former Arthur Andersen LLP partner who left in 1999 to form his own company, one that is a consultant to major league baseball. In June, Arthur Andersen was found guilty of obstruction of justice for its work for Enron. Selig and Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer, did not return telephone calls seeking comment, and Starkey refused comment. Wilpon's spokesman, Richard Auletta, said his client would respond later Tuesday. Doubleday and Wilpon became 50-50 owners of the team in 1986 and agreed that if either partner wanted to sell, he would offer his half to the other at a price set by an appraiser. Doubleday exercised that provision in October, and at baseball's urging, he accepted Starkey in December as the appraiser. After Starkey put a $391 million value on the team in April, Doubleday balked at going through with a sale and Wilpon sued him last month. "Unbeknownst to Doubleday, MLB was at the same time engaged in a systematic effort to undervalue baseball franchises as part of its labor relations strategy,'' Doubleday's lawyers said Tuesday in an answer filed to Wilpon's suit. "In short, MLB -- in a desperate attempt to reverse decades of losses to MLB's players' association -- determined to manufacture phantom operating losses and depress franchise values.'' The suit accused Starkey of not disclosing to Doubleday the extent of his work for baseball and of not disclosing until March the scope of work done on the appraisal by Dean Polenz, then of Arthur Andersen -- a firm Doubleday said does accounting work for Wilpon. "Starkey was taking direction from major league baseball as to the valuation process both with respect to the Mets and all other MLB teams,'' Doubleday's lawyers said. The papers referred to a March 7 letter to baseball owners from Selig saying baseball would start to enforce its 60-40 rule, which requires teams to have at least 60 percent of its value in assets and no more than 40 percent in Doubleday said Starkey worked with Selig and baseball labor lawyer Rob Manfred on the letter, which said a team's value would be set at twice its 2001 revenue. In 2001, the Mets had revenue of $182 million. Under the method outlined in the letter, the Boston Red Sox would be evaluated at $321 million, less than half the $660 million the team was sold for this year, and the Montreal Expos would be valued at $68 million, nearly half of the $120 million the other 29 clubs paid to purchase the Expos this year. "This project created an extreme personal and professional incentive for Starkey to undervalue the New York Mets,'' Doubleday's lawyers said. "Starkey did not disclose to Doubleday the full scope of his current work for baseball, or the fact that his work for and with baseball had created a direct conflict with his role as independent appraiser to the Mets.'' Doubleday said Wilpon offered to buy the team in June 2001, putting a $500 million price tag on the Mets. Doubleday would have received $200 million, with the difference his share of the team's debt. Under the new evaluation of the 60-40 rule, a team's longterm player contracts would be counted as debt, but longterm broadcasting deals would not be counted as assets. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:59:38 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The National is here! To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi guys... just a shameless plug here for my favorite local dealer who will be setting up at the National. While he has loads of uv-infested cards, he will also be bringing several big boxes of oldies from a collection he recently picked up, most in nicer condition that we usually collect! The kicker is that he told me that he's probably going to price most at a dime or a quarter... VERY worthwhile. The other kick is that he is *NOT* very knowledgeable about variations and I know very little about them either, so there may be some decent "finds". Oh... and there's a 10% discount for any OBC'ers too. He didn't get a very good booth, WAY in the back on the right hand side... Booth #268. His shop is Play Ball and his name is Bob. Treat him good. Take care and have a great time! Wish I was there... ================= Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 07:24:05 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Road to the Nationals To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com ...and let us not forget... A Saint boards a plane in the Pacific Northwest embarking on a trip without the boundaries of distance or time. Further south a newly wedded bride departs for the same location. Considering history and fate, their paths may or may not cross in the next four days..... ================= Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 17:49:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The National - another shameless dealer plug From: "david_skoglund_mn" Kurt Tourdot will be at this year's National. Kurt's booth number at the National is #168. It is listed under the name Jerry Nelson Enterprises. Kurt says the booth is "as far away from the door as conceivable." Many of you know that Kurt specializes in the kind of cards we like and offers a discount for OBC members. Just mention that you're a memeber. And, as an added bonus for those of you who have read this far: "And please tell the OBCers that in addition to the standard discount, mention that they saw your e-mail and get $10 worth of free stuff. You can't beat that." If you've never dealt with Kurt before, many members here can vouch for him. I'm sure a few could even claim him as a dependant on their tax returns. :) ================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 15:05:08 EDT Subject: request for national attendee To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Here it is Thursday morning Aug. 8 in Los Angeles and i know a lot of you fortunate OBCers are at the National this very moment getting a ton of vintage cards cheap from Kurt Tourdot who i have never been able to buy cards from at a show because he doesn't do shows on the west coast-and all i have to look forward to is my teaching job this afternoon - Yuk! Unfortunately i couldn't attend the National because of my community services teaching job at Pierce Jr. College and i cannot take any time off during my 6 week at time teaching stints- i have my programs from the 1991 and 2000 Nationals i attended here in Anaheim California- could any OBCer attending the National pease pick up one of the programs for me they might find discarded outside by some bored attendee leaving the show- i remember at the 2000 National going through the trash can by the exit door and pulling out about 10 programs that were discarded- i have since given them all away- i would really like a program from this years Chicago National to look at and pretend i got to attend- Maybe next year in Atlantic city-Maybe Next year?? Got to watch it - i am starting to sound like a Brooklyn Dodger fan!- Linda ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: ripken collectors! OBCish idea... Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 16:06:33 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" I know Cal doesn't fall into the pre 1980 range, but I just had such a great OBC-type idea, I wanted to make sure anyone who likes Cal and wants in can get in. Here is my plan. I have about 30-40 different Ripkens, several that aren't too common, that I have dupes of. I thought it would be cool to send the whole pile to another Ripken collector, who would take out what he/she needs, then add in a bunch of his/her dupes and mail the whole pile along to the next person. After about 2 passes, everyone should have got a look at something from everyone else. And, if you are a new ripken collector, this would be a great way to start. So, if you want in on the Ripken "mail-a-round" let me know. Just tell me who you are and roughly how many *different* Ripkens you have now. That way I can order the list so that the cards should get spread out evenly. and, as usual... if you have read this far... :) I have a '62 McCarver #167 and a '64 Piersall #586 available. Go OBC! ================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 18:49:24 EDT Subject: 1933 Goudeys Available To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I just found 3 Goudey cards in a place where I might have put them in anticipation of mailing them to someone. If I promised cards 59 65 66 to someone and did not deliver, please let me know. In addition, I have a 104 Marberry, and several PlayBalls available to trade. Take care, ================= Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 20:44:43 EDT Subject: One of three to one of two To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Upgrade on my status as candidate for principal. I now have only one other person competing. Still hearing rumors of behind-the-scenes politicking - strange things can happen and often do. Interview before Board of Education on Monday night at 6:00 P.M. eastern ================= Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:40:37 EDT Subject: The Road to the Nationals (part deux) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com, From: cardclctor@aol.com Ken had everything loaded into the car. He was sure he had it all, but checked once more around the house to be sure. "Oh, I'd better bring these hats or they'll send me home right after I get there!" Off he drove towards his aunt's house in upstate NY. It was supposed to be a five and a half hour ride but nothing ever goes as planned on those long drives. It was hot outside.... low 90's and fairly humid. The car wasn't equipped with an air conditioning system - at least one that worked anyway, so Ken rolled down the windows and stuck his arm outside during the trip. The breeze he created by cupping his hand to divert the wind into the car felt good enough to keep his hand in place outside the window for a good portion of the trip. Just outside of Syracuse, Ken pulled into a service area to get a bite to eat and gas up the car again. He rolled up the windows and was immediately hit by a tingling sensation in his left arm. It didn't feel like anything he had ever felt before though. It wasn't like the feeling when his foot had fallen asleep. A frightening thought crossed his mind: "I think I'm having a HEART ATTACK!" Now regardless of any cardiac problems he may or may not have had, this launched him into a panic attack. Ken sat in the rest stop eating his 'last meal'. Despite being in the air conditioning, his shirt was now dripping wet and sweat poured from his body. With a greaat fear of passing out, either from heat exhaustion or a massive coronary episode, he decided to make the last hour long leg of his journey. Hopefully he wouldn't suffer any chest pains along the way. He was now very grateful he had the cell phone his cousin lent him for the week, so he could pull over and call 911 in case anything did happen - if he had enough time by then. The last hour of the trip took a lifetime, but he arrived at the door of his aunt and uncle's house without further incident. The first words out of his mouth probably took his aunt by surprise: "How do you know if you're having a heart attack?" After being assure that he wasn't going to die of some coronary ailment - at least not today - and taking an aspirin to relieve some of the pain probably caused by stress, he now only had to contend with a little redness just below his shoulder. All he had gotten out of the whole ordeal was s light case of 'driver's elbow'. The second day of driving was perfect for a long trip. Cloudy skies with an occasional shower that wasn't heavy enough to warrant closing the windows. There was also a cool breeze wafting through the car, which meant the use of his arm was not necessary. He now deliberately made sure it rested beside him and tried to keep his sore shoulder out of the sun's way and prevent further solar skin damage. The trip was long. About 8 hours into it, Ken pulled off for gas and noticed a sign which stated driving distances and estimated times for a number of cities. Only 137 more miles to the last big city on his list. He could probably pull it off in roughly the 2 hours and 13 minutes that the sign said it would take. Another city on the list was Las Vegas, only 1300 miles and 30 hours and change away. The realization that taking the car to Vegas one year was just not going to happen. He thought to himself, "I've driven all this time and I'm only 1/3 of the way there now? Forget that." Ken followed the directions his friend David had given him and they guided him in perfectly. There were doubts about whether or not he had been led into the middle of nowhere during the last few miles of the trip though. All around him was nothing but farmland, occasionally broken up by some forest. There couldn't be any residences around here, but as he turned the last corner he saw signs that more people than cows might actually live here. As he pulled up to the house, David came around from the back of the house and helped unpack a couple bags before giving a quick tour of the house. It was a very big house with a pool in back which was actually under construction. David probably heard the car arrive as he was inspecting that afternoon's work. The last stop on the tour was the basement. As Ken turned the corner at the bottom of the stair, he thought he was walking into a card shop. Two display cases, one holding a series of binders and the other containing a few oddball sets and highlighted by an array of Mantle cards, including a decent looking 1952 Topps and a 1951 Bowman rookie card. Covering parts of some of the walls were starting lineups. On other walls, shelves were holding an arrangement of autographed baseballs. The back wall diplayed various memorabilia, most of which was Chicago related. "This isn't even close to being close to completion." David said ignoring the fact that Ken was still impressed by the 'few' things that were on display. Strewn along the floor on the back wall were binders with even more sets, plus boxes that David didn't even know what the contents were. Ken poked around in a few of them and pulled out some nice cards including a Playball DiMaggio, a couple Red Cross cards, plus a few other names like Wagner and Mathewson. It was getting late and there was still plenty of time left to look through the boxes, so they called it a night and got some rest before the next big day tomorrow... [more to come] ================= To: Subject: test only Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 10:05:10 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" ================= Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 18:22:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Labor Day Weekend From: "rayluurs" My son Geoff and I have been invited to go along with the Twin Cities group (like Richard Prior in Bingo Long's all star, I have a second car:-) as members of their vintage baseball club to Columbus. Along with playing, I will be filming , I hope, a sort of documentary on vintage baseball I hope to be showing on the SABR group local cable access and of course meeting more OBC members in the area for some card trading. As of now i have had contact with Al Cummings who hope to come. As far as schedule I know we are leaving Friday morning and arrriving friday night. It is a 13 hours drive and if we get there early enough are going to COlumbus's last regular season game. Also we will play 3 games on saturday and 3 on Sunday with games starting at 9:00 an dending at 5:00 Will keep those posted when I get more info. Hope to see some of you guys there ================= To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks...and national report (long) Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:51:30 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Well, I am back from the national for a little while at least. Here is a collection of random thoughts and thanks... My main goal at the national was to finish off the t206's minus the biggies and a few variations that I choose to ignore. I had very little luck. I think I probably saw 5 HOF'ers for every common. There was rumored to be somebody with a $5 box of t206's, but I never found them. I did hear the phrase "somebody bought me out of commons" about 15 times though. So it seems to me that t206's are much hotter than they used to be. Good thing I'm almost done! The T206 quest wasn't a total failure though as David Kolenda provided one of the last 6 I need...Smith from Chicago. That brings the list to 3-5 depending on how you count them...Magee w/bat is on the way but not here thanks to a post national ebay find, Jordan SL'er might be arriving too (but check with me if you can trade one)...the others I need...Cassidy, Elberfeld Port (either version), and Mattern. If you have any of those, please let me know. David Kolenda also provided another significant addition in the form of a Carolina Brights Back...my first of that rare back. Thanks David! I also was allowed to drool over David's other rare backs...fortunately they were enclosed in a glass display case. My second goal of the national was to finish off the 58, 59, and 68 sets. Jim Hatch provided the only real tough one left with the Malzone All Star...managed to find the 3 low number commons I needed easily, so that set is put to bed. The 58 set was much more challenging though. I picked up one of the last 4 from the Kolenda Table of Dupes...where I found some other goodies (33G Hubble, several 33 G commons, a 65 carlton etc). I think I spend most of the show looking for that stupid 58 Berra. No Luck at all! The whole show, I didn't see one for under $30. I did my share of complaining about this to everyone...fortunately Kent Goto rescued me from my failing effots by buying an incredibly nice looking one and handing it over. Thanks Kent! While I'm thanking Kent, I also have to mention the great envelope he handed me at David's place. In addition he offered me the bed vacated by Doug Smith for friday night (as my accomodations fell through) and paid for the breakfast buffet the next morning. I managed to pick up the other two 58's I needed from bargin piles, so that set is put to bed. Finally I'll mention the 68 set...for no other reason than I still need two: 2 leaders 462 Barry Moore. Tried to find the leaders card...but it never appeared in the bargain bins I was searching through. Steve Rittenberg...the man who needs his own paragraph. Upon arriving at the show late on thursday, I headed over to Kevin Savage's table to try and throw a little $$$ his way for his OBC support. That is where I met up with Steve. After standing there about 5 minutes, Steve managed to negotiate a fantastic deal that netted him a Play Ball Ted Williams and netted me a bunch of great t205's (mathewson, wheat, brown, marquard and a couple others) along with misc other stuff including an e120 heilman, 51 Bowman snider and some others for a very good price. I was a little hesitant as I didn't want to spend all my $$$ right away, but I am very glad I bought them since good deals were relatively scarce (for me) the rest of the show. Right after purchasing the lot, Steve and I headed to my old stomping grounds...chicago's south side to watch the Sox play the Angels. We missed a bit of the action, but the seats were spectacular and free(thanks to steve's connection). Steve also served as an amazing card sleuth...finding all kinds of great deals and sharing them. He picked up a 52T Pafko for me in addition to many other great cards. Also, Steve and Jim Hatch allowed me to share some floor space the first night and continually ferried me around. So thanks to you Steve! I still owe you...probably take a couple other cards from you still. Thanks to all the obc'ers I met...many for the first time. It's great to be able to put faces to the names. And one last big thanks to David Kolenda for hosting the get together and to Mike Hair for cooking some more of his famous ribs. My other big purchases at the show were mostly of the pre-war variety. I bought more t205's...Cobb, Huggins, Jennings...a t202 Brown, an e92 Dockman Lajoie, 33 & 34 Goudey Terry, a couple 52 T high numbers, E101 Cy Young. Great cardboard to be sure, but by far the best thing about the national was meeting up with everyone. If you ever get the chance, go to an OBC One last personal note...some of you already know...Josephine and I are moving to the Washington DC area. It looks like we found a place in arlington virginia. The new area should be interesting. My card closet gets to expand into a card room at last! Too bad I have to move them all. It will be nice to get to know the obc'ers in that area, but I have to leave a few behind too. Hopefully Brock, James, Richard and I will still be able to do some swappin' (side note to them, I have your OBC hats courtesy of Lynn and Ken...let me know the best way to get them to you). I should be at my usual address for several weeks still...though my responses and paybacks will probably be a little slow. My left hand is a little tingly from all this typing...oh no, maybe it's a heart attack! I think the spirit of Ken Morganti must have temporily possessed me ;) Sorry about the length of the ramble...feel free to blame Ken if you wish... Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: , Subject: The Natl. Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 19:38:14 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Just a few quick thoughts for today on the Natl. More to come later in theweek. Got to meet five more of our members, Gary Mandell, Earl Kilbourn, Mike Wierzbick, Larry Gersbach, and Jim Hatch. I want to thank all who helped reduce the wantlist. It looks like I finished one set, greatly reduced 2 sets, and started 3 sets over the weekend. A big thanks to Ken for all the prep work he does for the Natl. Thanks to the "comish" head chef" Mike Hair for cooking the ribs and the sauce. Vegas ribs are better guys, as Mike has a little more grilling equipment. Thanks to Steve Rittenberg (AKA the obc distribution center) for taking boxes of dupes that were left back east with him. He said he has time to look at wantlists and mail them out. It was nice to see some of the guys I had not seen in a few years. Sal, Kent, Greg and Wade. The rest I have been able to hook up with off and on. Sorry we missed Peter's call Sat. night, and Glens fax. Wish all 130+ could have made it.......... more to follow later in the week. I GOT UM YOU NEED UM YOU GET UM WHAT GOES AROUND, COMES AROUND ================= To: Subject: agree Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:00:25 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" re Gary Mandell's posting I couldn't have said it better about the National experience even tho I wasonly around for a few minutes. Great guys. It was like we were all collecting for each other. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 21:21:07 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-National] The Natl. To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I hit the national at the beginning of a 19 day road trip so I'll be brief: First, it was great to see all my OBC friends and meet 6 new ones - Mike W., Sal D. (at last), Earl K., Larry G., Gary M., and former/future Joe C. Thanks to Dave for the great job with the barbeque at his home and Mike for the cooking. Thanks to Ken for setting stuff up, Kent for putting up with me in his room, and Steve and others for spotting cards for me. Thanks to all who handed me cards ... I started to list them and know I forgot some ..so you know who you are. You are appreciated. I had a great time. Looking forward to Vegas 03 and Atlantic City. - Doug ================= Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 18:37:46 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: and Sal makes three From: First of many National stories and reports. I started early Wednesday morning and it started bad. Since I work nights an early flight is real hard on me so I left work early Tuesday. It did not do any good since I stayed up until the normal time (about 2 am) with a 5 am wake up. Wife woke me up and I finished packing (some things could not be packed the night before) and got ready for the shuttle which was supposed to be there between 6-6:30. About 6:40 I called and the shuttle had broken down and the company was sending a cab. Fine, a cab is slightly faster and the shuttle company was picking up the fare. 7 AM passes and no cab.... hhmmm...ggrr. 7:10 the cab company calls and says the cab is coming, to call back if not needed. Less than 5 minutes later a different shuttle comes and I am off to the airport. WE make good time and I get there at 7:45 to unload and get into the United counter. AS I walk up I hear them calling Chicago and chase down the lady and ask her about what she said. She called my flight, last call! We go to one counter and ask and a fellow says yes it was last call and I would have to re-book. So I went to a different line and waited. ONce an older couple with 8 trunks moved out of the way, I got to a lady who took my ticket and ID and started typing away. She asked the usual questions and handed me a boarding pass. I asked about the re-book and she said no, I was on the same flight but had to hurry. I move down to the sercurity area and go through the first line fine, set my bag and coat on the conveyor and walk through the screen. No problem, but the x-ray was uncertain and called for a hand check. Remember I had a cell phone, Palm PDA, pills and insulin and tons of cards among the junk so looking inside was not a real suprise. About 10 minutes passes while we wait for the screener to grab my bag and pull me aside. Well she was wiping everything with a big round pad and putting in in a machine. Found nothing of course. Then she asked me to remove my shoes, which also passed but slowed me down alot. I finally got done with that ahd tried to make my way to the gate. I made it before they finished loading and found my seat. A window seat with the aisle seat used my a mother and her 2 year old. She did not want to swap as she would need to get up as much as I thought I would. We take off on time and it was a smooth flight. The tot was good and the rest was normal airplane fare. Inflight movie (my first) was a clunker and snack was fair. Did not get a nap but was fine. Got off the plane and claimed my bags, never saw the hotel shuttle and grabbed a cab. Not a bad drop but a fast meter ($5 before we left the aiport) Short trip to the hotel, taught the clerk how to read, was told they did not have a double right then and took the king they offer for the night. Second thing after I got in the room was to try and get ahold of Sal who beat me there by 3 hours. (He is on EST so it was really a tie) He came up to the room and we met. Remember that he is my mentor (yes blame him) but we had never met in person. I knew him as well as I know my own brother (wonder what happened to him) I think he feels the same. So he caught up and started working on the plan for the night. Called Steve (and got Jim) Called Doug and then Steve called us back. Off to downtown for Ribs. Rode with Kent (another member I knew for ever and just met) and Doug And had a blast. Ribs were good but the sauce was not as good as Mike's. Love a good sports bar where you turn and watch a different game. I lost count at 4 at once. Met Jim Hatch there and saw Steve and Ken again. Just a good time and love the felling that you have known these guys forever even if you've never met. Back to the room to hit the hay. stay tuned for part 2 (odd couple hit Chicago) Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:03:52 EDT Subject: bowman and topps variation lists To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: amcook93@aol.com I reposted the bowman and topps variation lists I put together a couple years ago with a lot of help from many of you. Please look them over and let me know what additions need to be made and I'll expand them as I get time. They can be found at my site at http://members.aol.com/amcook93/index.html ================= Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 23:38:40 EDT Subject: OBC 59 Mantle- wear- not trimmed To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- there is an OBC 59 Mantle on ebay - eBay item 1849631295 (Ends Aug-13-02 22:... ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 00:19:41 EDT Subject: Close play at the plate . . . To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Out at home! I didn't get the job. Guess there's another plan for me. Thanks again for all the interest and support. ================= Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 22:07:19 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: National news From: Big (bad) news for those planning to go to 2004 National in Anahiem http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=3857 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: Daa National! Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 01:06:16 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" Yes, Wade and I have returned from our 2nd National. The first one was also in Chicago a few years back, where we met 7 or 8 OBCers but because ofmy work schedule we had to drive 6 hours up, spend a few hours at the show, then drive 6 hours home. This time I had more time and (more money to spend) and we met more OBCers and actually had some time to spend with them. I don't have to tell youall how great a bunch of guys they are, it's the nature of the group. Friday, we spent about 4 hours at the show without seeing an OBC hat anywhere. I plunked down a couple of bills at Kevin Savage's table for some 56 Topps cards after wandering around without buying anything until I couldn't stand it anymore. Wade, in the meantime was riding around on his scooterand checking out everything. We had to leave around 4 because we had tickets to the White Sox/Seattle game. Seattle being Wade's favorite team. Leaving two hours early got us to our seats 2 minutes before the first pitch. Just enough time to introduce ourselves to George Vercheck who was attending the game with us. A great game for White Sox fans, (George), bad game for Mariners fans, (Wade), Ichiro didn't play, Sox drummed the Mariners and Piniella didn't even come out to argue a questionable call late in the game. The pizza was good and George missed a foul ball because his arms wouldn't extend. (one of three in a row that came within a few feet of us in the eighth). After the game George rode with us to Navy Pier where we walked around awhile. George left (he lives just a couple of blocks away) and we ate at Bubba Gumps then proceeded to get lost on the way back to our hotel which was attached to the convention center where the National was. Finally mnade it back and went to bed at 1:15 AM. Saturday, we ate our free breakfast at the Hyatt, (it was GREAT!) then hit the show. I found an interesting table that had a 'half price marked' box and was full of 50's cards with a lot of them marked $1.00 and $2.00. Idug in, trying not to shove the guy next to me out of the way in my excitement. I asked him which cards he had already looked at and we worked out a system so we wouldn't hinder each other. He was speaking to the dealer who mentioned something like, "a bunch of your buddies were here awhile ago looking through that stuff". The lightbulb went off over my head and I looked up to see the sought for OBC hat to my left. I introduced myself to Sal Domino and he told me where the rest of the OBCers were supposed to meet. Wadeand I got there an hour or so later after I finished digging though the box and Wade managed to get an autographed game used ball from Safeco's inagural game from some guys, a couple of Brittney Spears cards with pieces of her clothes she wore at the superbowl stuck on them, a 8x10 glossy of Babe Ruth, a ticket autographed by Geordie Howe, a matchbook from Dimaggio's in San Francisco, a Ken Griffey McFarlane figure and assorted cards, posters etc. Oh, yeah. They were all given to him. The rest of the story in part two. Later. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:30:23 EDT Subject: Neighbor Joe To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I returned home from work yesterday to see a for sale sign in neighbor Joe's yard. On top of the sign was a single word....POOL. The Vegas traditions continue to change... Rest well, ================= To: Subject: another test Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:45:58 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" I apologize for cluttering up your mailbox, but I am having trouble getting my messages on the server since I got my new computer... ================= To: Subject: email problems Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 06:53:58 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I just got a new computer and put Earthlink 5.0 on it, but for some reason nothing I send gets to the Yahoo servers, although I get emails FROM the servers just fine. If I open up my Outlook icon to send the email (like this one), it seems to work fine. I have no idea how to fix that, but I guess it will give me something to play with. Does anyone else have any Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National news Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:05:55 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" I also ran across that article last night. Here is the upcoming schedule of 2003 Atlantic City 2004 Cleveland 2005 Chicago 2006 Atlantic City 2007 Cleveland 2008 Chicago So what's with the lack of shows on the West Coast? -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National news > Big (bad) news for those planning to go to 2004 National in Anahiem > http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=3857 > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: dfallen@attbi.com alcattle@earthlink.net OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National news Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 07:39:48 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Dave wrote: "So what's with the lack of shows on the West Coast?" The same thing that's with the lack of shows in the South (actually, any shows, much less the National). I will have to check w/ Catfish and Lorin, but maybe the OBC "Carolinas" chapter can petition to have the National at the Metrolina Fairgrounds just north of Charlotte next year. Yeah, sounds like a good deal to me. I'm sure they'll go for it !! >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dave Fallen" >To: , "OBC Ramblings" >Date: 8/13/02 9:05:55 AM >I also ran across that article last night.  Here is the upcoming schedule of >2003 Atlantic City >2004 Cleveland >2005 Chicago >2006 Atlantic City >2007 Cleveland >2008 Chicago >So what's with the lack of shows on the West Coast? >-Dave Fallen >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:07 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National news >> Big (bad) news for those planning to go to 2004 National in >> http://www.collect.com/interest/article.asp?id=3857 >> Big Al in Seattle >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Chris Stufflestreet Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 08:08:29 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I noticed that Chris Stufflestreet has an application pending for membership out on the homepage. Just my 2 cents, but Chris would make a wonderful addition to OBC. Many of you are probably already familiar with him from another group or from the newsletters he publishes about vintage In addition to being a trader who already practices the principles that we do, Chris is also a very detailed card historian. Check out his webpage at: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/ It is very thorough. Thought you all might like to know. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 14:33:25 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: "poor" Mickey Mantle From: Please don't over bid "ISEMCRAZY" on the Mick. She's my Daughter and she is the one working on the '59 set. I told her to go to $35 or 5% of book. Pretty bad shape but a true OBC card. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1849631295 Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: Big Al Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:04:50 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" "Please don't over bid "ISEMCRAZY" on the Mick. She's my Daughter and she is the one working on the '59 set. I told her to go to $35 or 5% of book. bad shape but a true OBC card." Saint Al- Nice to see that your daughter strives to attain the same low standards that you do :) ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 16:15:05 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: ODD Couple hits Chicago From: The story you are about to read is true. The names have not been changed becuase no one will believe it any way .... Day Two starts quietly enough. We arrange for Steve to meet us at our hotel and have a quiet breakfast. Steve uses the business center while we order and he joins us while we catch up. Off to the show, Sal, Jim and I pile into Steve's Escort and head off. We stop at a quik-e-mart for sodas as Steve warned us that show prices are HIGH. We park a couple blocks away to save the $11 fee to use the center's garage. Get there with time to spare, Sal and I buy tickets for Friday and Saturday (Thursday was Free). Waiting for a few minutes we go in to the biggest room full of cards I have ever seen (Anahiem was in 2 big rooms). That would be the last time I see Steve that day. We plan to meet midday for lunch or a chat and keep a look out for other OBC'ers. My roomie was coming in later that day and we have never met. I think he might want to remember his first instinct when I invited him. Why did I not have someone in my room already? What wrong with this guy? I walk the show with little to show for it. My first buy was at Kevin Savage's table even though I had no idea who he was. I was looking about half the show for the table as Steve had the cooler there with our drinks in it. I look some more for Seattle Teams' cards finding one "popcorn" card. Neat set for a team between the Pilots and Mariners. Jim Hatch had better luck and found a Mother Cookie's from the 53 set. Other wise it was alot of walking and sitting. I finally meet up with the gang and get to meet Earl Kilbourn (aka Erik, or EEK) My roomie for the next 3 days. Near the end of the show 7 of us decide to go get dinner and therein starting the adventure. I have been known to take a wrong turn once in a while and the 3 of us made the imperfect team. I am not sure you could call us the 3 stooges as it was more like the Keystone Kops. We got to Earl's car which he parked in the center garage. We were going to meet out front and drive to a restuarant we find on the way. We exit the garage and decide to turn right to go around the building. Wrong, that way leads to the freeway and you can't get off for about a mile. We call Doug in Kent's car that we supposed to be following and get directions back to where they were. We get to the pizza place and wait for 45 minutes while the place finds a table for 7. Popular size of party as ours was the third one called. More fun chat and lies while we wait for the pizza and pasta. The menu warns it take 30 minutes for pizza but it came first and the pasta and drinks come soon after except the coffee which was flown in from Columbia especially for Earl. The usual pile of money for the bill with everyone having a $20 and having plenty of food and tips left over. I sent the last of Doug and My pizza to Steve who we believe left the show about midnight. We all are beat and head back to the room. Sal says good night and Earl and I head to the room. I don't sleep well in hotel beds so I gave it to Earl. I reserved a two bed room but they only had a king. Since I was not going to use a bed I kept that room and got a rollaway for the bedding. Earl moves in and "NEATLY" put his clothes where they belong. I had not unpacked yet and never did so it looked like the odd couple. WE are both beat so hit the sack after a brief chat and some ESPN. more in Part 3, 3 guys get lost! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:54:28 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Neighbor Joe To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com With Vegas get togethers growing so large, maybe you should buy his home. You could buy a couple of more grills, landscape the back yard, and of course, you then would have a pool! The Hair Annex ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:25:38 EDT Subject: East Coast National this Friday To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com Jeff D., Rob G., Wayne D., Bob D., and others: The East Coast National is coming to White Plains this Thursday thru Sunday. Hours are as follows: Th 5-9, Fr 12-7, Sa 10-5, Su 10-4. Admission is $12. There will be approximately 100 dealers and over 500 tables. Jeff and I are planning on meeting up around 2. Rob and Wayne are apparently meeting at 3. I am sure we will end up running into each other at some point any way. I know Bob was planning on going on Thursday. Anybody else planning on going? Too bad we won't be able to get our hats at this "National". I hear they are worth the wait though. Any questions, comments? LMK. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: National Assembly 2002 From: Originaleek@webtv.net "National" A Mini-series! A loosely translated direct quote: (from a well known author I can't remember) "a Saint in the great Northwest prepares for a journey of unknown origins or destination?" Little did the author know the full prognostic implications of his words. Further, little could anyone suspect the prophesorial nature of the authors words, least of all an unsuspecting Midwesterner preparing for his first National. "Who is this guy they call Big Al, and why won't Sal stay in the same room with him" the neophyte OBCer mused. But alas the packing and preparation process precluded projections of the prior or present proclivities of "Big Al". With his daughters vehicle packed with all manner of cards, clothes, maps and CD's of Joe Cocker, Bob Seger and Michael Bolton, our OBCer heads for downtown Grand Blanc and Republic Bank to secure the funds to finance his trip. Forgotten in the enthusiasm of his Chicago trip was the Buick Open, Warwick Hills, and Tiger Woods, all between he and his financial institution. The road blocks, detours and alternate routes were but an omen of what lie ahead. to be continued...... ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:50:02 -0700 To: GHAY1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Neighbor Joe From: I would be willing to rent the place for several weeks a year. I of course would pay double the normal rate, just like at the card store. That does not include ribs or service charges for directions. Big Al On Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:54:28 EDT GHAY1@aol.com wrote: With Vegas get togethers growing so large, maybe you should buy his home.  You could buy a couple of more grills, landscape the back yard, and of course, you then would have a pool!  The Hair Annex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor href="http://rd.yahoo.com/M=231282.2213029.3686936.1456765/D=egroupweb/S=1705123920:HM/A=1190496/R=0/*http://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/click?lid=41000000000411521"> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:54:54 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Neighbor Joe To: GHAY1@aol.com, Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Actually, I think George might be on to something.... Pool for OBC 2003!! Extra rooms for trading/displaying. Room for screening the games. Heck, we could even have a women's room. Poker for cards (this might be tried next year anyway) Half-rubber pitching machine next to the pool. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 21:58:50 EDT Subject: The pampered chef To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I have returned, and somewhat recovered from my trip to two of the finest resort in the Chicago area. Upon arrival at O'Hare, I was immediately met by chauffeur driven limousine (well, a black car anyway) and whisked off to the Kolenda Country Inn in Indiana. As you have all heard, the KCI also houses the Kolenda card museum. Included in the package was a private viewing of the museum and enough hits to my wantlist to make the show anti climatic. I roomed with former/future OBCer Joe Cerullo next to the legendary Ken The Kolenda Country Inn is an upgrade of a bed and breakfast, sort of a bed and breakfast and lunch and dinner and snacks and beer hotel. The small but efficient staff (Dave and Denise) made us all feel at home. The KCI is a working Inn, and the work began (between breakfast, lunch snacks and beer) with a trip to the market with Purchasing Agent Dave Kolenda. After buying out the meat store, Dave made sure that there would be enough Potato Salad for everyone. Back at the Inn, Director of Facilities, Dave Kolenda, supervised the building of the outside tents. Although it didn't take a rocket scientist to erect the tents, Dave had one standing by just in case. In the Inn's kitchen, Food and Beverage Director Denise Kolenda started the preparation of what promised to be the largest gathering of OBCers ever. Meanwhile, Superintendent of Grounds Dave Kolenda was gathering tables chairs and grills for the night's activities. While all this was happening, lunch, snacks and beer were supplied for all. While I had been recruited to be head chef, my role was very minor, as Sous Chef Denise Kolenda and Hospitality Director Dave Kolenda did most of the work. The Inn's guests relaxed (with snacks and beer) and waited for the onslaught of OBCers. Director of Communications Dave Kolenda was busy on the phone dispensing directions to the likes of legends Margaret (Wrong Way ) Ellison (Kramer) and Big Al (see you in September) Cummings. Despite the odds posted by Sports Book Manager Dave Kolenda, Margaret was the first to arrive. Shortly there after it all becomes a blur, as I spent the next few hours meeting eight new OBCers as well as many old friends and cooking the ribs. Service Director Denise Kolenda and Hospitality Director Dave Kolenda made my job a breeze and assured a good time was had by all! The evening was concluded with the group visiting the Kolenda card museum. COMING UP: Top's in Heaven at Villa de Glickman and a few final thoughts=E2=A6 ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:00:59 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Baseball Game From: Originaleek@webtv.net From: "John Longmire, Jr." To: "John's Friends" Subject: Baseball Game Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 20:44:14 -0500 ================= Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 22:09:06 EDT Subject: What happened to Richard Hankins? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i used to trade with member Richard Hankins then i noticed i didn't hear from him anymore and i haven't seen any thankyou posts from him in a long time- Anyone know what happened to him? i even e-mailed him a few days ago asking him if he was still actively collecting but no answer- also haven't seen anything from Sassy in some time- Linda ================= To: Subject: Daa National part 2 Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 00:30:53 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" Wade and I hanging at the National have met Sal Domino. We pause a moment near the snack bar and OBC hats begin to appear. Jim Hatch, Kent Goto and Joel Glickman. Jim has a ready made package for me of a '53 Topps Jim Hegen, a 67 hi# and a 53 Topps Archive. Now Sal comes back and David Kolenda joins us. Davis reaquaints with Wade, who he met at the last National, then grabs my list and produces 4 needed 72 hi#s off of it. Joel talks me into taking a #1 1959 Ford Frick that is encased in a 15 pound hunk of plastic and is weighing him down. Had to lug that thing around until I could get a screwdriver to free it. Ken Morganti is spotted down at Kurt Tourdot's table so I go down to say hi. Before I get to him i see Ron Perry digging into Kurt's huge bargin boxes and talk with him awhile. Then over to Ken who doesn't recognize me atall. He's wearing a huge, blue wizard hat. I run back to Wade to tell him where I'll be camped at for awhile, (Kurt's table), and then I dig in. More OBC hats converge. Earl Kilbourne and Big Al Cummings. As soon as we introduce ourselves these guys are shoving cards at me. A 59 Gus Bell from Earl and six more 59s from Big Al, most being of the Hi# variety. Somewhere, Kent Goto slid an envelope to me that was awesome. three 55 Bowmans, Rizzuto, E.Howard and C.Simmons and three 61 Topps including Hodges and a Cunningham RC. We left the show in time to get to the card swap that Ken organized andKevin Savage hosted at the Best Western Hotel but we were an hour late 'cause we decided to pig out at the Spaghetti Warehouse across the street. The swap was huge. Boxes and Boxes of dupes for everyone to go through.I even managed to get some guys interested in some of mine. Big Al presented Wade with a Bobbin'head of Ichiro. (those Seattle fans stick together) They then proceeded to turn a perfectly good Ron Swoboda into a Tipton with water, a sharpie and probable a hammer or ice pick. Sal couldn't make it tothe Swap or there might have been serious trouble. A bunch of other guys did make though. I met for the first time: Steve Rittenburg, (who slammed me with a bunch of 62s including a Mays (from whenhe had a mustache) and a lot of those Babe Ruth specials. I also met Mike Wierzbicki, Gary Mandell, Rick Ellison, Mike Hair, Larry Gersbach, Tim Newcomb and ex/future OBCer Joe Cerullo for the first time and along with Ron Perry, Ken Morganti, David Kolenda, Kent Goto, Jim Hatch, George Verchek andthe above mentioned Al Cummings they had the cards flying. The highlight of the night was the Morganti auction which turned into asort of double auction. Ken from the front and David from the back of the room. I scored several great cards from the Morganti portion of the auction, A McCovey RC, my first two tobacco cards and a couple more. From the back, Kolenda kept tossing 56 Topps cards at me and I know there were at least a dozen but I'm not sure just who they were. I also rummaged through several dupes boxes of unknown owners from the above named guys and came away with plenty of hits. As Wade and I made our way through the Latin wedding reception going onin the same hotel as the swap back to our hotel, I realized that I'll probably never meet a greater bunch of guys then I have being a part of OBC. Thanks guys. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:05:32 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: AVAILABLES! From: Jerry Coker Below are some cards that need a good home! Priority goes to those I owe. But since I owe just about everybody, have at em' :) 55 Bowman: 36 58 Topps: 303 385 429 469 60 Topps: 26 48 137 253 61 Topps: 5 13 39 55 60 69 73 74 195 508 62 Topps: 78 64 Topps: 15 16 18 22 24 26 31 36 41 42 45 49 51 52 54 59 62 64 66 68 72 74 76 82 90 91 92 94 101 102 105 110 111 117 126 129 143 144 147 148 153 158 159 164 168 169 170 176 178 185 188 189 191 192 199 202 203 207 209 215 220 221 222 228 231 239 241 249 255 256 268 270 274 275 278 296 302 305 319 322 327 332 334 340 345 346 348 349 358 361 362 364 385 389 458 66 Topps: 2 3 5 6 8 10 11 14 16 17 18 21 24 29 38 39 41 42 45 47 49 51 56 58 61 64 65 66 67 69 74 77 78 87 89 96 102 111 112 114 115 118 119 121 123 134 135 136 138 140 141 142 146 148 159 161 162 165 168 171 173 174 175 182 185 186 188 190 197 237 252 262 366 401 454 67 Topps: 67 76 81 89 102 104 134 206 209 69 Topps: 14 19 44 78 88 89 97 70 Topps: 12 13 20 29 30 35 39 42 43 44 46 71 73 76 77 79 80 94 98 99 114 119 131 136 143 144 145 151 154 155 161 162 165 173 176 184 187 192 193 194 203 204 208 212 219 229 232 233 236 237 246 255 257 259 261 266 267 270 274 277 284 291 292 293 294 302 314 316 318 326 327 335 337 342 345 351 357 363 398 402 405 411 413 415 417 452 457 472 474 489 518 71 Topps: 6 13 24 28 32 33 42 48 59 65 86 71 88 89 101 111 114 121 130 132 154 164 200 293 345 351 466 472 481 521 72 Topps: 193 73 Topps: 9 13 14 18 21 37 52 74 76 83 88 111 112 118 128 141 154 155 157 163 173 182 186 189 214 229 281 386 452 Jerry Coker Campus Information Technology Partnerships The University of Georgia ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 16:41:14 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 3 guys discover Chicago From: Anyone can get lost in a big city when they visit for the first time, but to really get lost takes teamwork. Friday morning starts out quiet. Sal passes on Breakfast so Earl and I go down the street and eat. The place is only a block away and on the same side of the street so we find it with no problem. Turns out we eat there 3 times and get our own parking stall. We head back to the hotel to gather the troops and get ready for a short day at the show and the BBQ. We go to the CTA parking lot but have no luck so we go to the center parking lot and pay the $11. Lucky they have people pointing us where to go so we don't get lost inside the garage. We park on "3D" so that is easy to remember and head to the only working elevator, which is on the 2nd floor. We get to the show early again; Earl has the pass so he walks right in. Sal and I have tickets and wait in line. We meet Kent and Doug in line and wait the 15 minutes until the show opens. We plan to meet at 1 to have lunch and prepare for the trip to Dave's (now known as KCI). Much hunting produces little in good cards. I find a few commons from Bill Henderson and some other oddball stuff. I did find a Ron Santo Transagram card, which is rare, and I did not get it out of the show. I asked Kent, keeper of the Santo HOM site if he had it and gave it to him when he droolingly said no. We get out of the show and plan to go to a Burger joint Doug Knows. I get directions and we return to the room. Sal wants to change and pick up some things. Earl and I rest, sort and chat for an hour. We head out and immediately make a wrong turn. It takes us 20 minutes to realize it though. A call to Doug and a u-turn later we start back towards the restuarant. After filling the tank and another call to the crew, we decide that eating lunch would make even later than we are; good thing we bought snacks when we got gas. We head down I-294 and find that there is a toll every 3 miles. Luckily for us Earl knows this part of Midwest driving and brought along $50 worth of change. I am put in charge of digging it out of the holder and Earl shows some fancy hook shots with both hands; He said he was amphibious; which showed up later when he tanked one and threw the nickel in the street. We are fine until we get close to the turn so we call BBQ central and get more directions. Those work great and get us on the right street. The road continues and we look for the turn on Enterprise road. When we run out of road, things get desperate and we go to the back up plan. WE make a u-turn and stop; we go to the trunk and find the map, directions from the server, which Earl and I had both printed out and another soda. This time we look for Euclid Street and drive right to KCI. We actually beat the 2nd car from the restaurant; which they claim was a tie because we turned around (another u-turn) and parked on the correct side of the street. More on the BBQ and trip to the Kolenda Museum next time. ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:06:11 EDT Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Andnow,therestofthestory=E2=A6par?To: From: ChicoD1@aol.com Let me start out by saying that this was one of the best vacations I have ever spent. Some people didn't understand the concept that I was going to a reunion with people I have never met in person before. After another terrific flight (I'm pretty lucky that way). I arrive at O'Hare and start to look for the shuttle bus to take me to the airport. Of course, it's hidden behind bushes, down the block, make a left and follow those people over there. I find the bus and head to the Raddison. I see a bunch of folks standing around in hats in the lobby, but=E2=A6 these folks are in their80s. thinking the computer takes 20 years off your life, when I see it's a reunion of Vets. Making my way to my room, the phone rings and it is none other than St. Al, the man who blames me for getting him involved in this group. We chat for a while, telling me how he spent some card money on a cab to the hotel (Mistake #1- Al can't find the shuttle bus) plotting out where we need to be that evening (Mistake #2- Al has a printout of directions from Yahoo maps). We catch up with Doug Smith and Kent Goto at the hotel. Now this was very special to me, as Doug and Kent were already established OBC vets whenI joined some 9 years ago. Also meeting us were Steve Rittenburg and Jim Hatch. Off we go to Chi-town. Keep in mind, Doug was driving, so we had NO problem getting into town. We get to a parking garage that must have been designed by a guy who has matchbox cars and head over to da bar for some serious burgers and wings. Steve knows another Rittenberg there (possibly a long lost cousin). Not only does he know cards, he knows burgers. This was a serious =BD pounder! Now how cool is it to hang out with a bunch of guysand watch 4 baseball games in a bar? BTW, if you ever have to travel with Steve, he carries around 15 3600 count boxes, some CD's, cooler, sunshade (for his cards, not the seats), and other assorted papers. A man after my own car! I took some pictures that I'll hopefully upload to some computer soon and post them up. Little did I know that this was just a taste of what was to follow=E2=A6 ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:10:39 EDT Subject: First casualties of the National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok, my computer crashes a week before the national, and I have to totally rebuild my want lists. Of course there were some mistakes. Now you all know, that a good ballplayer takes advantage of another's miscues, so with that in mind, I have 3 52 Bowmans that need a new home. #51-Coan , 57- Vollmer, and 213- Kennedy (did high numbers matter in 1952?). Slowly I am fixing my on-line want list and I'm sure that there will be other mistake postings to follow. OBC rules apply, FCFS unless I owe (so that means FCFS!). ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:53:15 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "National" From: Originaleek@webtv.net A Mini-series Chapter One Having secured the necessary financial resources I am off to Chicago. As Seger's "Roll Me Away" appropriately blares from the CD player, I glance once more at the MapQuest directions and head down the ramp to I-69 W. Mile after mile of highway rolls under my tires as I anticipate my eventual destination. Actually the highway stays in one place and the tires roll, but you get the picture. Somewhere south of Lansing (home of the Lugnuts) I am intrigued by the fact that there is a xylophone in Joe Cockers band. No, it's my cell phone. "Hey, Big Al here, we're heading into the show, what's your eta." I explain that I'm running later then anticipated and probably won't arrive until about 5:00. I actually arrive at the Hotel a half hour earlier then expected, unless you consider the time change which would make me a half hour late. No matter, my objective was to get directions to the show from the hotel staff, which I did. Within minutes I was doing $11 worth of parking in the garage across from the Convention Center. I think it significant to note that up until this point & prior to meeting up with Sal and Big Al I knew where I was at all times. That was about to change as you will discover later. As I entered the Convention Center I was struck by the size and more tables then a wedding reception at Dom Poloski Hall. I meandered around getting the lay of the land and looking for OBC hats. Finally as I walked back toward the front I spotted a maroon OBC hat atop a cigar smoking head. I introduced myself and found out that "Trader" Doug Smith was under the hat. We chatted for a few and Doug said that several OBCers were meeting in front of Kit Young's table about 6:30, I think? Now, this may be a good place to insert a couple of things about my memory. First it is excellent but very short, second it tends to be rather selective and not necessarily influenced by reality. To the best of my recollection in addition to Doug, on Thursday I met "Big Al" Cummings, Sal Domino, Kent Goto, Jim Hatch, Ken Morganti, Steve Rittenberg & Mac Wubben. Steve and Mac are off to a ballgame, and the rest of us are off to find a place to eat. I thought Doug's instructions to "go to the light, turn left and go to the first restaurant on the left" were a little vague, but what the heck, he seems to know a lot about baseball cards & that's good enough for me. Al already filled you in on our trip to the restaurant via an alternate route, so I wont rehash that. Besides, I think his memory is better then mine. Contrary to his report however, at no time were we lost. We were I admit, temporarily misplaced on several occasions, but never were we lost!! More on Big Al & Count Sal next time. to be continued...... ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 19:53:09 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: The KCI Palace From: When you throw a party, make sure there is plenty of food. Dave and Denise barely had enough food for a Marine battalion but some of us weren't starved because they stopped for lunch. WE roll into Casa Kolenda and go immediately to the greeting/Dupe area. Many early comers were hard at the boxes stuffed with cards and others were still coming in. I was relieved to find the golf cart on the lawn, as it was the final landmark to find the now legendary KCI. I meet Gersh, Mike W., and Gary M. then say hello to others that I had met before. We continue the tour to the patio and pool area, which is bigger than some people's whole lot. The tables call me to sit and relax so I put the sodas in the cooler and find a sturdy chair. The head chef is preparing to finish his specialty and the murmur is running through the crowd. There were a couple of people I did not know so asked someone who they were. They were the neighbors and left it at that. I am not sure what kind of neighborhood it is when people are so quiet and they never told us if they also had a pool or what they shot in the last round of golf. Dinner was served and I finally was told to get up and get some food. Getting up was the hard part; getting some food was limited only by my not wanting to appear like a complete pig. Everything was great, the ribs were super and the sauce had cooked just enough to mellow and season the meat. There was more chatting between bites and lots of bone gnawing to remove every bite of meat. When everyone had finished and the screen door had been completely destroyed the whole group retired to the Museum. Dave had taken half of the basement and made his card room. I have been in card stores that were smaller and had less to sell every wall was covered there were tables were binders and showcases full of cards. Things I have never seen and many cards never than the ones you see in those plastic vaults. I did spot one item that was missing and will try to help Dave out as he left a space on the ceiling where pennants were hung but there was no Seattle Pilots flag. It seemed like it was getting late and people started to leave. Most of us only made to the dupe box area before having to stop. Dave told no one could leave without taking a few. The rest would be taken to the swap meet and Steve would have to distribute them later. I found more things of interest including Ryan cards and '69 Topps from the list. Seeing an interest in Ryan made Dave go to the Museum and retrieve a plaque featuring Ryan on 5 cards; one signed and an engraved piece saying his highlighted games. We did real well going back to the hotel. Dave told us a more direct route that would save time at that time of night. We made it all the way to the last exit before making a wrong turn and getting lost. One u-turn later we found the hotel and crawled into bed after a short time trying to figure out what cards came from who and cleaning up the wantlists for the biggest day of the More tomorrow on the swap meet Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:37 +0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possible Virus on the Loose From: Lynn Miller I have been told by another member they received an email from me with an attachment "To Class". Apparently a worm virus is at work here. I have virus protection software on my PC that I run everyday and have not detected any so don't know how this happened. But don't open any emails from me with attachments, I generally don't send attachments. Just completely delete it from your system if you do get one. This includes from your "trash" also. Immediately. Sorry if this causes any problems for anyone. ================= Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 21:41:36 -0700 To: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible Virus on the Loose From: I have heard that there is a virus that works with outlook but goes through someone else's system. I got an odd email from cousin Dick Cummings today. 140k and it was blank. Web mail is safe and I also use Norton at home (both ways). Watch those attachments as Lynn says. Big Al in Seattle On Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:57:37 +0800 Lynn Miller wrote: I have been told by another member they received an email from me with an attachment "To Class". Apparently a worm virus is at work here. I have virus protection software on my PC that I run everyday and have not detected any so don't know how this happened. But don't open any emails from me with attachments, I generally don't send attachments. Just completely delete it from your system if you do get one. This includes from your "trash" also. Immediately. Sorry if this causes any problems for anyone. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Check out this site Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 23:46:00 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I don't believe I've ever recommended a site before, so this is my first. I was looking for a card grading reference to sell some UV stuff on Ebay and found this in my search. First off, his card grading guide is very good for guys like me who don't generally do it. What really got me though was his section on opening the slabs - the best method for each slabbing company and then the article on what happens when you put a PSA card into a dryer in an old sock or a paint shaker to see if it can take the treatment and maintain it's PSA rating! Excellent stuff! http://www.seanet.com/~brucemo/card_articles/articles.htm Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 11:11:45 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible Virus on the Loose To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com I have received blank e-mails with large attachments recently from the addresses of George Hay, Art Wainwright, and Mac Wubben. These are the most recent of these types of e-mails. I've gotten small rounds of blank attachments two or three times before. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" Subject: Frank Henry Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 09:54:58 -0700 From: Steve Carter My wife's grandparents came to town yesterday and my wife's grandfather, Curtis Henry, told me a story about his uncle Frank. It seems Frank was a pretty good baseball player who was making about $3000 per year playing 2nd Base for the Buffalo Bison of the International League in 1905. He went down to Philadelphia to try out for the Athletics, and Connie Mack was impressed with what he saw. Being a tightwad, Connie offered him a contract for $2500 a year to play with the A's. Since Frank was greedier than he was interested in playing for the Athletics, he declined. Curtis then tells me Mack gave a contract to some other young guy. "Eddie Collins?" I asked him. "Yeah, that's the guy." So, I guess it follows that my wife's great uncle could have been in the Hall of Fame if he had been willing to take a little pay cut back in 1905. Steve Carter OBC Since 1997 ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 12:55:38 EDT Subject: Dealer Scum alert - feel free to delete To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Disclaimer: The following is a brief list of some of the better deals I picked up last weekend at The Nationals (and a couple I've been holding onto for a while now). If the thought of me selling cards irritates you, please read no further (and send me a scolding e-mail if you so desire). **Trades are also encouraged**, especially if you're holding onto some of the T205 HOF'ers on my list Hi all, I picked up a 100-ct. box of 8-pocket pages at The Nats. Funny thing is that I don't know if I have any more sets I have to put into them. Price on the whole box would be the $13 I paid plus whatever it costs to ship them. I also have a couple other dupes I picked up at the show that might be of interest. As usual, I spent a lot more money than I probably should have, so I'll need something to help pay off the credit card bills when thay start rolling in next month. Most of these cards are tiptons, but I would be happy to give a more accurate description of any card. Below are the cards I have with the prices I paid (which is also the price you'd pay): 1952 Bowman #52 Rizzuto ($15) 1953 BC #33 Reese ($90) 1953 Topps #'s 86 and 104 Martin and Berra ($10 each) 1954 Topps #10 Jackie ($30) 1959 Topps #564 Mantle AS ($45) 1959 Fleer #68 Ted signs ($130) 1967 #150 Mantle ($25) 1968 #177 Ryan RC ($100) **claimed, but if you want me to look for another one at that price, PLMK) 1968 #280 Mantle ($25) 1969 #260 Reggie RC ($25) 1971 #100 Rose (FREE - I couldn't give it away at the auction. How did I get stuck with it?) ...plus the following T205's: Frick ($25) Shean(Rustlers), Shulte, McIntire ($10 ea.) Groom, Wilso ($5 ea.) Gaspar(no border-trimmed-FREE) I'll also try to include a few extra cards on your list with every order. Thanks for your reply, Dealer Scum ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:10:12 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: HOW TO TURN 6 DOLLARS INTO 6 THOUSAND!!! From: WMDpks@aol.com I have absolutely no clue how to turn $6 into $6,000 apart from a sequence of fortunate choices at a casino. But some jerk named Anthony has the plan, and he posted it 30 times to the OBC web site message board. I'll clean them up in two hours when I get home (can't FTP to the site from within the IBM firewall), but feel free to post the most cleverest response to what is obviously an illegal scam. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Webmaster, OBC (Old Baseball Cards) www.oldbaseball.com "To make a long story short - Uh-oh." (Eeyore) ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 17:03:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible Virus on the Loose To: Toppsrun368@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com These blank emails with attachments are also being sent from treasurer@oldbaseball.com and advisory@oldbaseball.com. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum alert - feel free to delete Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 15:21:30 -0700 (PDT) From: greenwood@integrity.com I am interested in some of your dealer scum stuff. I sent you an email, but my message got bounced. Erik Greenwood Quoting cardclctor@aol.com: > Disclaimer: The following is a brief list of some of the better deals I > picked up last weekend at The Nationals (and a couple I've been holding > onto > for a while now). If the thought of me selling cards irritates you, > please > read no further (and send me a scolding e-mail if you so desire). > **Trades > are also encouraged**, especially if you're holding onto some of the > T205 > HOF'ers on my list > Hi all, > I picked up a 100-ct. box of 8-pocket pages at The Nats. Funny thing > is > that I don't know if I have any more sets I have to put into them. Price > on > the whole box would be the $13 I paid plus whatever it costs to ship > them. I > also have a couple other dupes I picked up at the show that might be of > interest. As usual, I spent a lot more money than I probably should > have, so > I'll need something to help pay off the credit card bills when thay > start > rolling in next month. Most of these cards are tiptons, but I would be > happy > to give a more accurate description of any card. Below are the cards I > have > with the prices I paid (which is also the price you'd pay): > 1952 Bowman #52 Rizzuto ($15) > 1953 BC #33 Reese ($90) > 1953 Topps #'s 86 and 104 Martin and Berra ($10 each) > 1954 Topps #10 Jackie ($30) > 1959 Topps #564 Mantle AS ($45) > 1959 Fleer #68 Ted signs ($130) > 1967 #150 Mantle ($25) > 1968 #177 Ryan RC ($100) **claimed, but if you want me to look for > another > one at that price, PLMK) > 1968 #280 Mantle ($25) > 1969 #260 Reggie RC ($25) > 1971 #100 Rose (FREE - I couldn't give it away at the auction. How did I > get > stuck with it?) > ...plus the following T205's: > Marquard($45) > Frick ($25) > Delahanty($15) > Shean(Rustlers), Shulte, McIntire ($10 ea.) > Groom, Wilso ($5 ea.) > Gaspar(no border-trimmed-FREE) > I'll also try to include a few extra cards on your list with every > order. > Thanks for your reply, > Dealer Scum > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 18:12:10 EDT Subject: an odd looking 63 topps To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- check your 63 topps # 101 Joe Gibbon card-what is that light square area in the upper right hand portion of the card?? the rest of the background is very dark on this card- there is a square in the upper right portion of the card that is white and light blue- that square with the white and light blue looks odd to me- Linda ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 19:04:14 EDT Subject: A Home Run, an error and a dunk + (DS update) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, At the big show last weekend, I came across a T205 'Home Run' Baker marked at $40. The only thing that looked wrong with it (besides a few creases and rounded corners) was a little extra paper and glue on the back. The card didn't appear to have lost any paper, so I bought it for my set. One problem with that though: I didn't need the card for my set! So, feeling a little adventurous, I decided to see if I could improve the card's appearance... so I got a dish and filled it with a bit of water and dropped the card in. About ten minutes later, the extra paper on the back was all too easily removed - it happened to be another T205! It was two slivers off the front of George Paskert, who happens to be on my list. I'm still looking for an upgrade on this horribly poor version, which has no back and is also missing most of the front Meanwhile, the Baker is drying quite nicely in a heavy book. I think I upgrade the condition from Fair to G/VG or so.... but the price is $40 if anyone has an interest. As an update to my earlier Dealer Scum e-mail, here's what hasn't been claimed by the sharks yet: 1953 BC #33 Reese ($90) 1968 #280 Mantle ($25) ...plus the following T205's: Marquard ($45) Frick ($25) Shulte ($10) I'll get the rest out in the mail ASAP. Thanks for your interest, Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 22:24:22 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: More National From: Originaleek@webtv.net "The Mini-Series" cont..... Chapter Two: Friday My first full day at the National starts with my usual 5:30 wake-up or is it 6:30? Let me just say that Big Al's habits remind me of my own because they are so much different. My need for a little organization comes as a defense against my tendency to misplace things, including myself. At any rate, after my morning rituals, I head out in search of a hearty cup of coffee to jump-start my appetite for breakfast. In the hotel lobby amongst the War Vets I find a coffee cart and gladly pay the $1.75 for a hit. I return to the room to discover that Al has also arisen and is in the process of "gettin ready". I paid close attention to his organizational system. He had no trouble finding clean clothes as they were still in his grip. His system is: clean clothes stay in the suitcase, dirty ones go on the floor wherever you take them off. Simple and effective and it seems to work for him. Fortunately, since it involves food, Al is a breakfast person as well so we call Sal who declines our offer for breakfast. I don't think Sal is a breakfast person. Al and I go up to a Denny's type place on the corner and eat enough for us & Sal who we meet back the hotel. And off we go to the convention center for a few hours of browsing, bartering, and buying before going to KCI. It was a good plan, but not a great one. Meeting Doug et al for a bite to eat before going to Kolenda's Country Inn required following "the destructions" as my granddaughter refers to directions. She must have had Al, Sal & myself in mind. I took my daughters car to Chicago because it's a lease and she bought extra miles that she will never use by the time the lease is up. Well, we took care of that, she may need to park it for the last few months of the lease following the trails and tripulations of the transient trio. Now, keep in mind my job was to aim the vehicle and turn the wheel when, and in the direction, I was advised to do so. Al's job was to act as a reverse dispatcher, going through his cell phone list and calling for "destructions". Sals job was to count streets and tell me where to turn. He would sit all comfy in the back seat sometimes saying "turn left" and sometimes saying "turn right" but mostly saying "turn around". Well inspite of our efforts at temporary misplacement, we finally made it to KCI. David and Denise were truly wonderful as host and hostess, and Mike Hair lived up to his reputation as a rib cooker and then some. I'm not sure who the other 50 people were that they were expecting, but some of us ate part of their share as well. I'm also not sure who I met at the show and who I met at KCI but here's the list of folks I met sometime on friday; Rick Ellison and his lovely bride Margaret, Gary Mandell, Ken "wizard" Morganti, Tim Newcomb, Mike Wierzbicki, Joel Glickman & Joe Cerullo whose official status I'm again unsure of, but he is surely one of us. I have to say that the experience of meeting everyone and being in their company was one not soon forgotten, even with my memory. After great food and much conversation, Dave took us to the "vault". Now, I'm relatively new to OBC and do not share the expertise that most members have, but even I know that a display case full of mint Mantles could pay off a third world country's national debt. As someone else remarked, I've seen card shops with less memorabilia. I'm don't know what some of the sets were, I just ooohed and aaahed when others did. Before we left, Dave gave us some very simple directions. I think the trip back to the hotel was uneventful but I'm not sure because I was pretty tired and slept much of the way. For those of you still reading this you will be glad to know that you have reached the end of this rambling. However, forewarned is forearmed, there is more to come. to be continued...... ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:14:33 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Minnesota From: Originaleek@webtv.net As luck would have it, I will be at our Rochester, Minnesota facility at the very time I think the Minnesota OBCers will be busy being elsewhere? On the chance that someone is around, I will be in Rochester from Saturday until Wednesday. Saturday & Sunday I'll be available most any time. Depending on meetings etc. I may also be available Monday and Tuesday evening. If anyone is in the area, a get together would be great. My cell phone # is (810) 614-093. ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 07:19:47 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Minnesota From: Originaleek@webtv.net Correction on my cell phone #, it is (810) 614-5093. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '56 Mantle -- more dealer scum Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:55:29 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Hi all, In the tradition that Mr. Morganti has started, I too have a card that I need to sell. I hope nobody is offended by this, but I wanted to give people in my trading groups first shot before putting this one on ebay. I have a 1956 Topps Mantle #135 that I just got an upgrade for. The one I am getting rid of is VG/EX-ish, centered well, with no creases. Border and corner wear. Please e-mail me if interested. I can get you a scan of both the front and back, and if you're still interested we can talk. Sorry all VCTers in the group, this is the 3rd time you are seeing Have a good weekend, ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: FW: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '56 Mantle -- more dealer scum Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 11:11:40 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Forgot to mention that this Mantle is the gray back version. >>--- Original Message --- >>From: Mikesportsfan@aol.com >>To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com >>Date: 8/16/02 9:05:44 AM >> For the variation collectors yo may want to mention whether this is a >>white back or gray back. Fortunately,I already have both versions. >>Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:20:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Car buffs From: "mikesportsfan" This message is sent from Motown. This week it refers to Motor town not the music. A few years ago, they set a day aside for the Woodward Dream Cruise. Woodward is US 1. The first US road, and between 6 and 7 Mile Road in Detroit, the first mile of paved road in teh United States, about 90+ years ago. During the 1950s and 1960s Woodward was (and to some people still is) the main drag. Great place to cruise, drag race, pick up chicks, hang out, etc. The idea behin the Dream Cruise was to have people bring out their vintage cars (that is cars not cards). A vintage car is defined as 25 years old or older (something we may consider at some point). Michigan's love affair with the car, has many people who have a vintage car, put away in the garage, and only brought out on special occassions in teh summer. The Cruise encourages them to come out. They lierally will thousands if not tens of thousands of vintag cars cruising Woodward or set up along Woodward for people to ogle. This is such an avent that they predict up to 2 million people may attend. I find this hard to believe that approx. 1 out of every 140 people in the US will be lined up along an approx. 15 mile stretch of road on 1 day. The Cruise is slated for this Saturday, but cars have been coming out all week. I only live a couple miles from Woodward and trying to avoid that area this week can be a challenge. Went to dinner last night across the street from an A & W restaurant that still is a drive in with car hops. We saw at least 10 vintage cars at the A & W alone. This was 2 miles from Woodward. If you happen to be coming in for this event and would like to get together LMK. If you are a car buff, this is certainly worth driving in for. Expect to do a lot of walking if you want to see more cars, as traffic will be at a virtual standstill. There is a 30% chance of Call me at home (248) 968-0436. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:07:24 EDT Subject: Birthday project.... dealer scum deals wanted :-) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi alll... I'm embarking on a fun project for a friend of mine. Her dad isa huge baseball fan and each year we try to come up with some kind of a fun birthday gift. He's had kind of a rough year this year, so Beth, my friend, wanted to do something nice. After bantering about ideas, we came up with the relatively insane idea of trying to get a single card of each baseball player born on her dad's birthday. His b'day is September 3 and I've had mixed results finding some of the cards we need. I have scored a few toughies, like a '90 Topps Dodgers cards of Lindsay Deal (his only card), a card from Frisch's 1944 St. Louis Browns commemorative set of Lefty West (his only card!), and an autographed postcard of Bill Greason, who only has one card but it's in a Negro League set no one I've ever talked to has seen -- Negro League Retort, which supposedly had two series. While hunting down the toughies, I've picked up a few cards of the other guys on the list, but I still have quite a bit to go. For the guys who do not have ballcards, I'm trying to photocopy the article/boxscore of their major league debut, or, if possible, find a photo of them which I can photocopy. This has led to the discovery of some interesting players, like Katsey Keifer who pitched a 6 -hit victory in the only game he ever played, also collecting a hit in three at bats (nice to have a 1.00 winning percent and a .333 lifetime batting average, huh?) I may have to do that with one or two of the tough oldtimers too, but I thought I'd post a query to all of you first, as this group has the most amazing, eclectic group of collectors I'll ever know. Anyway, as you can guess, it's getting to crunch time and I wasn't able to go to the National. Below, I'm going to list the players I need a single copy of and what cards were produced for them. Some of 'em are real tough, like Jerry Donovan who only appeared in Zee-Nuts issues and Bill Armour who only had a W600 Sporting Life Cabinet card. Reprints are just fine... Beth's dad is not an "investor". In fact, if anyone has a spare batch of the reprinted T3 Turkey Reds, I could eliminate three off the list right away. If you have something available, please let me know what you have and what you need for it. I'm not soliciting "freebies" here... Beth is paying for the project and we have about $35 left after the autographed Greason and the Fritsch set. I'll list only the vintage/retro cards here and the UV'ers on the UV server. Thanks for any help... I'll update the names on the list as cards are offered. Take care, PLAYERS STILL NEEDED FOR BETH'S DAD'S BIRTHDAY (SEPTEMBER 3) Don Kainer 1979 Tucson Toros TCMA Don Kainer #11 1993 Rangers Keebler Don Kainer #213 Mike Paxton 1978 Indians Team Issue Mike Paxton #24 1978 Topps Mike Paxton #216 1979 Indians Team Issue Mike Paxton #24 1979 O-Pee-Chee Mike Paxton #54 1979 Topps Mike Paxton #122 1980 Tacoma Tigers TCMA Mike Paxton #27 1980 Topps Mike Paxton #388 1981 Charleston Charlies TCMA Mike Paxton #5 1981 Fleer Mike Paxton #401 Dave Campbell (not the Twin) 1978 Topps Dave Campbell #402 1979 Topps Dave Campbell #9 Tom Brewer 1947-66 Exhibits Tom Brewer 61 #28 1954 Red Sox Team Issue Tom Brewer #4 1955 Bowman Tom Brewer #178 1955 Topps Tom Brewer #83 1955 Topps Double Header Spahn/Brewer #127 1956 Topps Tom Brewer #34 1957 Topps Tom Brewer #112 1958 Red Sox Jay Publishing Tom Brewer #1 1958 Topps Tom Brewer #220 1959 Red Sox Jay Publishing Tom Brewer #1 1959 Topps Tom Brewer #55 1959 Topps Batter Bafflers-Dave Sisler-Tom Brewer #346 1959 Topps Venezuelan Tom Brewer #55 1960 Red Sox Jay Publishing Tom Brewer #1 1960 Topps Tom Brewer #439 1961 Post Tom Brewer COM #50A 1961 Post Tom Brewer BOX #50B 1961 Topps Tom Brewer #434 1961 Topps Stamps Inserts Tom Brewer #108 1962 Salada Plastic Coins Tom Brewer #4 1962 Shirriff Plastic Coins Tom Brewer #4 1981 Red Sox Boston Globe Tom Brewer #9 Morrie Martin 1951 A's Team Issue Morris Martin #22 1952 A's Team Issue Morris Martin #17 1952 Topps Morrie Martin #131 1953 A's Team Issue Morris Martin #15 1953 Bowman B/W Morrie Martin #53 1953 Topps Morrie Martin #227 1954 Bowman Morrie Martin #179 1954 Topps Morrie Martin #168 1957-58 Cardinals Postcards Morrie Martin #28 1958 Topps Morrie Martin #53A 1958 Topps Morrie Martin YL #53B 1959 Topps Morrie Martin #38 1959 Topps Venezuelan Morrie Martin #38 Sandy Consuegra 1951 Bowman Sandy Consuegra #96 1952 Bowman Sandy Consuegra #143 1953 Bowman Color Sandy Consuegra #89 1954 Bowman Sandy Consuegra #166 1955 Bowman Sandy Consuegra #116 1955 Red Man Sandy Consuegra #AL25 1956 Topps Sandy Consuegra #265 1979 TCMA 50'S Sandy Consuegra #170 1991 Orioles Crown Sandy Consuegra #83 Eddie Stanky 1943 Cubs Team Issue Eddie Stanky #21 1944 Cubs Team Issue Eddie Stanky #23 1946 Dodgers Team Issue Eddie Stanky #21 1946-49 Sports Exchange W603 Ed Stanky #7-1A 1947 Dodgers Team Issue Eddie Stanky #23 1947-66 Exhibits Ed Stanky-(plain uniform) #216A 1947-66 Exhibits Ed Stanky (Giants) #216B 1948-49 Blue Tint R346 Ed Stanky #31 1949 Bowman Eddie Stanky #104 1949 Eureka Stamps Eddie Stanky #26 1950 Bowman Eddie Stanky #29 1950 Drake's Ed Stanky #22 1950-54 J.J.K. Copyart Photographers Eddie Stanky-Boston Braves #20 1950-54 J.J.K. Copyart Photographers Eddie Stanly-New York Giants #21 1951 Bowman Eddie Stanky #13 1951 R423 Small Strip Ed Stanky #105 1951 Topps Current All-Stars Eddie Stanky SP #11 1951 Topps Red Backs Eddie Stanky #48 1952 Berk Ross Eddie Stanky #63 1952 Bowman Eddie Stanky #160 1952 Red Man Eddie Stanky #NL23 1952 Topps Eddie Stanky #76 1953 Bowman Color Eddie Stanky #49 1953 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners Ed Stanky #25 1953 Exhibits Canadian Eddie Stanky #9 1954 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners Ed Stanky #28 1954 Topps Eddie Stanky #38 1954-55 Cardinals Postcards Eddie Stanky #38 1955 Bowman Eddie Stanky #238 1955 Cardinals Hunter's Wieners Ed Stanky #26 1955 Topps Eddie Stanky #191 1966 Topps Eddie Stanky #448 1966 White Sox Team Issue Ed Stanky #11 1967 O-Pee-Chee Eddie Stanky #81 1967 Topps Eddie Stanky #81 1968 Topps Eddie Stanky #564 Kerby Farrell -- I have a magazine with an article on him if no one has these! 1957 Indians Team Issue Kerby Ferrell #6 1969 White Sox Team Issue Color Kerby Farrell #4 1973 Tacoma Twins Caruso Kerby Farrell #6 Ed Konetchy 1908-09 Rose Company PC760 Ed Konetchy #168 1909 H.H. Bregstone PC743 Ed Konetchy #33 1909 Ramly T204 Ed Konetchey #65 1909 T206 White Border Ed Konetchy-St.L. NL-Awaiting low ball #194 1909 T206 White Border Ed Konetchy-St.L. NL-Glove above head #195 1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Ed Konetchy #158 1909-13 Sporting News Supplements M101-2 Edward Konetchy-St. Louis-N-3/3/10 1910 Darby Chocolates E271 Ed Konetchy #22 1910 Sweet Caporal "Domino" Discs Ed Konetchy #63 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins Ed Konetchy #150 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Ed Konetchy #37 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Ed Konetchy #126 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Ed Konetchy #209 1910-19 Coupon T213 Ed Konetchy-Boston Nat. #161 1910-19 Coupon T213 Ed Konetchy-Pittsburgh Fed. #162 1910-19 Coupon T213 Ed Konetchy-Pittsburgh Nat. #163 1910-19 Coupon T213 Ed Konetchy-Brooklyn #296 1911 Helmar Stamps Ed Konetchy #173 1911 Pinkerton T5 Ed Konetchy #360 1911 S74 Silks Ed Konetchy #121 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Ed Konetchy #207 1911 Sporting Life M116 Ed Konetchy #272 1911 T205 Gold Border Ed Konetchy #91 1911 Turkey Red T3 * Ed Konetchy #103 1912 Colgan's Red Border Ed Konetchy #158 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 A.Hauser/E.Konetchy #70C 1912 Philadelphia Caramel E96 Ed Konetchy #16 1912 T207 Brown Background Ed Konetchy #94 1913 Boston Garter Ed Konetchy #10 1913 Colgans Tin Tops Ed Konetchy #158 1913 National Game WG5 Ed Konetchy #24 1913 Tom Barker WG6 Ed Konetchy #23 1914 B18 Blankets Ed Konetchy #79A 1914 B18 Blankets Ed Konetchy PB #79B 1914 Cracker Jack E145-1 Ed Konetchy-Pittsburgh #118 1914 Piedmont Stamps T330-2 Ed Konetchy #61 1915 Cracker Jack E145-2 Ed Konetchy-Pitts. FED #118 1915 Ornate Oval Pins Ed Konetchy #9 1915 Sporting News M101-5 Ed Konetchy #94 1915 Victory T214 Ed Konetchy #17 1916 Fleischmann Bread D381 Ed Konetchy #54 1916 Sporting News M101-4 Ed Konetchy #96 1917 Collins-McCarthy E135 Ed Konetchy #94 1919 W514 Ed Konetchy #93 1921-24 Exhibits Ed Konetchy #93 1922 Mrs. Sherlock's Pins PB5-2 E. Konetchy #19 1972 Classic Cards Ed Konetchy #107 1990 Dodgers Target Ed Konetchy #416 1991 Conlon TSN Ed Konetchy ATL #263 1992 Conlon TSN Ed Konetchy #638 Art Fromme 1909 Ramly T204 Art Fromme #48 1909 T206 White Border Art Fromme #136 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 Art Fromme #41 1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Art Froome-Cincinnati #112 1910 Sweet Caporal "Domino" Discs Art Fromme #46 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins Art Fromme #98 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #26 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #113 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #194 1910-14 People's T216 Art Fromme #24 1910-19 Coupon T213 Art Fromme #136 1911 Helmar Stamps Art Fromme #113 1911 Pinkerton T5 Art Fromme #417 1911 S74 Silks Art Fromme #74 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Art Fromme #132 1911 Sporting Life M116 Art Fromme #193 1911 T205 Gold Border Art Fromme #61 1911 Turkey Red T3 * Art Fromme #93 1912 Colgan's Red Border Art Froome #112 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 T.Jones/A.Fromme/L.McLean #73A 1912 T207 Brown Background Art Fromme #63 1913 Colgans Tin Tops Art Froome #112 1914 Piedmont Stamps T330-2 Arthur Fromme #45 1915 American Caramel E106 Art Fromme #18 1915 Victory T214 Art Fromme #11 1915 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #138 1916 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #128 1917 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #105 1918 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #99 1919 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #136 1920 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #141 1921 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #157 1972 Classic Cards Art Fromme #63 George Stone 1908-09 Rose Company PC760 George Stone #73 1909 H.H. Bregstone PC743 George Stone #49 1909 T206 White Border George Stone #341 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 George Stone-green background #99 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 George Stone-sky background #100 1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 George R. Stone #274 1910 Nadja Caramel E92 George Stone NADJA-L.F., St. Louis AM. on bottom #50A 1910 Nadja Caramel E92 George Stone NAJDA-St. Louis Amer. On bottom #50B 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins George Stone #55 1911 Pinkerton T5 George Stone #104 1911 S74 Silks George Stone #36 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 George Stone #336 1911 Sporting Life M116 George Stone #118 1911 T205 Gold Border George Stone #163 1911 Turkey Red T3 * George Stone #119 1912 Colgan's Red Border George R. Stone-St. Louis Am. L. #274 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 Stone/Sheck./Schulte #66 1912 Home Run Kisses E136-1 George Stone #45 1912 Zeenuts George Stone #74 1913 Colgans Tin Tops Stone-St. Louis Am. L. #274 1972 Classic Cards George Stone #52 Jerry Donovan 1928 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #130 1929 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #129 1930 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #141 1931 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #103 1932 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #98 1933 Zeenuts (Sepia) Gerald Donovan #38 1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) Jerry Donovan #85 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # Mike Kahoe 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107 Mike Kahoe #78 1909 Ramly T204 Mike Kahoe #62 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Mike Kahoe #194 Bill Armour 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Bill Armour #8 Harry Decker -- Has an Old Judge card... don=E2=99t know # No known cards -- any info/photos would be amazing!: Bill Gilbreth -- none Frank Jelincich -- none Guy McFadden -- none Jack Redmond -- None Bill Moore -- None Katsey Keifer -- None Bill Goeckel --- None Dusty Miller -- None ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 15:47:49 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: The big day From: Our team is still in the lead with miscues and temporary displacements and we not going to let up on the last day. We start the day in the usual manner with Earl cleaning the room and I trying to find my way through a shower. Breakfast was eaten and we are off to the show. We find a spot in the CTA lot today, as Saturday is not a big commute day it seems. We head toward the lock box to pay the fee and stop to ask what spot we parked in. I said "176, I think." and having already used up every bit of credibility I have, Sal and Earl went back to check. I waited at the box, and they got to tell me I was right, for once. Then it turned out no one had change so Earl went back to the car to hit the $45 left in the bowl. Finally we head toward the show, with me in the rear like normal. I only have 2 speeds, slow and stopped. We get there before the show opens and find Kent in line. Time passes quickly and we are in before long to hit more tables and follow up on other's leads. I find a guy selling Zeenuts (with tabs!) and find some other PCL types cards. We find more OBC'ers and I finally get to Kurt Tudot's table. There I meet Greg "Yaz" Conway. He says Wade is around somewhere on his scooter but I would not meet him until the swap. After lunch and few more tables it is getting time to head out. One last stop and Kevin Savage's table to pick up some cards I had my eye on. That also made Kevin the first and last dealer I bought from. Nice Guy and very OBC friendly. Make sure to meet him next chance you get. We get instructions to the swap meet and go back to the room for a few things. It was not too far from where we were unless you got on the freeway going the wrong direction. Three toll booths later we are nearing the correct exit and find the turn. The Best Western should be right here but we don't see it so we go down the street a ways. A quick u-turn later we go through the intersection going the other direction and continue about a mile until we find the hotel. We walk up and start to fell underdressed and the people were all in formal wear. There is a sign pointing to the "Morganti Party" but we ran out of rooms and turned around. A helpful staffer asked us if we were looking for the swap room and pointed us across the restaurant to the banquet room. More than half the people were already working on the pizza and the dupe boxes with more people showing up very soon. Great to put names with more faces and refresh my very limited memory from the days before. I did a little looking through a couple boxes but somehow my list was published and people were pushing cards at me faster than I could update my list. Dave handed a very special custom card that soon was upgraded to Tipton Mint. It went in the auction as well as many fun cards. My gem was a 62' Topps Rookie Parade card with only 4 of the 5 players faces on it. Someone had neatly cut out one player and left the rest. Those Yankee haters really go to extremes to fix the cards. I will add it to my list with an upgrade request. Lots more chat, barbs and jive went on as the night continued. Steve was busy sorting the many boxes of dupes to send out to every one in the group as well as many third world countries that are suffering card shortages. Midnight rolls around and the room is starting to clear. Earl and I find our way back to the hotel with the normal amount of circling and miscues. Sleep comes easy after a very long day in the trenches. Next Time, the wrap and box score Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 20:15:00 EDT Subject: East Coast National Report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I made it to my first East Coast National today in almost 10 years. I had emailed dealer John Morrison the night before; and he asked for my wantlist after confirming he'd be there. However, when I met him at the show he said he "spaced" and forgot the "OBC tipton" stuff. The first OBCr I met today was Bob Reed, or rather, his son meet me. We made our way over to Morrison's table just as he was considering buying a box of about 1200 off grade cards, including many stars. He offered the box to Bob and I for $550. Had I not just purchased a 1957 Ted Williams from another dealer named John (forgot his last name) for $50, along with other items that day, I probably would have pulled the trigger. Perhaps a later email from Bob will disclose if the box was purchased by OBCrs. As I was leaving, I ran into Brian Dwyer, Wayne Delia and Rob Gioia. It was great meeting them, and I should have stayed longer since I wound up getting stuck in traffic for most of the remainder of the day. Next year - Atlantic City. ================= Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 23:17:32 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: East Coast National--Great Dealer From: toppsrun368@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:16:56 EDT Subject: East Coast National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com Wow....What a great time I had today at the East cost National. To begin i Told the OBCers who were going i was going to wear a Black home Mets Jersey w/#9 Zeile on the back, so they would notice me, and as I was just walking around the show today, and i hear my name turn around and see a young man asking me if i was Rob Gioia, as i said yes The young man introduced himself and it was Brian Dwyer we chatted for a few then went outside so he could look through my dupes box (small one at that i must add... As Brian and i were outside a little boy came over to us and asked me if i was Rob Gioia again i said yes, and he said my dad is Bob Reed from OBC, and he is inside, so both Brian and I went inside to meet Bob, and Also Jeff Delott(who unfortunately had to leave early Hope we get to another show soon). so far these 3 guys were great guys It was wonderful to meet up and just talk baseball cards....something my wife would never understand...lol. Then we Met up with Wayne Delia. Well, Wayne and I have met a few times now, but it was still a thrill to see him there. Now we had our troops ,we traded ,And got our guns together (THE DEALERS didn't stand a chance against us.) We split up to do as much damage as possible, but we always seemed to get together. After a while of browsing I met up with Brian who was looking through a bunch of boxes of OBI type cards at great prices. Wayne and Bob also came over with in minutes. We went through all of this guys boxes and saw amazing stars and commons (although i think he had better prices on his star cards then his commons) Which is good! as time went on we started talking to the dealer and his name is Jimmy Cordascia from Harrison, NY His phone number is (914) 835-1937 and his e-mail address is MECARDASCIA@aol.com this guy shared some great stories with us and gave us deals and saved us money. I picked up a 57 campy and spahn for $16.00 combined and I picked up some various 49,51,53 bowman's my tab came out to $49.00 and he cut it down to $40.00 and threw in a free 33 goudey,i think its 33. I know he saved Brian some money and Wayne got a great deal which we will let him discuss. I hope I and all of OBCers get a chance to chat with this dealer and get some deals from him. Time was flying and we were all browsing together and having a blast. Finally we checked our watches and it was 7 PM we were there for 4 hours together and didn't even notice the time fly. What a wonderful day I had meeting up with Brian,Bob,Jeff and Wayne. I had such a great time I want to thank them for making it so great, and I really look forward to Ft Washington and Next years National in AC. Take care guys OBC what its all about ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 01:43:41 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: free bears in team uniforms (Twins/Chargers/Broncos/Pats)/ car From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 18:20:59 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Car buffs ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 07:33:55 EDT Subject: Can anyone help Lynn Miller today? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com If anyone is going to the East Coast National today, there is a specific lot from a particular dealer that Lynn is interested in purchasing . Please email either Lynn or me if you can help. ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 10:04:53 EDT Subject: OBC's Watching my Back To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Well, as you have already heard it was great to get together with Brian Dwyer, Rob Gioia, Jeff Delott, Brendan Reed, Connor Reed, and Bob Reed in White Plains at the East Coast National. I knew Brian lived close to me but I didn't realize how close, we're practically neighbors. My wantlist was decreased with some significant hits to 1975 Topps Mini and 1970 Kelloggs. I passed out a few free complimentary copies of my ambitious Baseball Card Images CD-ROM project, now over 24,000 images in a convenient HTML hypertext-link navigation scheme on a single CD, including many set checklists, thumbnail image displays, and other goodies. Free for the asking, new and improved, let me know if you want one. So anyway, I've been to countless East Coast Nationals since the mid-1980s, but I don't recall one where I was so "pumped" about getting a key card. Also, I don't recall one which was so uncrowded as this one, but that worked to our advantage. I cruised the entire room and only spent $15 on the first go-around, at Jimmy Cordascia's table (did I get his last name spelled right?) - but it was a 1954 Topps Jackie Robinson in not too bad shape, I mean for fifteen bucks you can easily recognize his face. This card was what we call a "no-brainer", don't even hesitate on this deal, and I have to especially thank Brian Dwyer who found the card and passed on it, allowing me to pick it up. So, even after stopping at OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison's table (OLDBBCARDS@aol.com), apart from the earlier Robinson purchase I didn't have much to show for my efforts, until Rob Gioia came over and told me about a Mantle I might be interested in. Back to Jimmy's table, there's a Bowman 1954 Mantle in reasonable shape, about almost VG, big crease running down the center, but corners were nice and the card would fit in with the rest of my set (would actually be one of the nicer cards in the set). The price, though, was jaw-droppingly reasonable: marked $125, and Jimmy let me have it for one benjamin. A quick glance at my want list revealed "Expect to pay up to $300 in VG for this card." The OBC guys were looking out for me and I really appreciate it. For several years now since I completed my run of Topps complete sets, I haven't been actively pursuing any set and I didn't realize how close I was to the 1954 Bowman set, but I only needed nine cards. The first card on the list, though, was the $300 Mantle which discouraged me from seriously attacking that set. Now that the big ticket card is out of the way, I'm picking up steam on finishing my 3rd Bowman complete set (the others are 1952 Bowman, and 1953 Bowman B&W). The remaining cards are tough to get at a card show in person, though, especially in the New York area, they're all Yankees and Brooklyn Dodgers stars and minor stars (Ford, Berra, Martin, Larson rookie, Hodges, Newcombe) and Garagiola. But on eBay they're probably more readily available and maybe even more reasonably priced. One dealer wa nted $69 for a Larson rookie, which I couldn't justify, having just spent $100 on the Mantle in a little worse condition. Askin' and gettin' is two different things. Moral of the story, you can most likely get some good deals on good cards by contacting Jimmy Cordascia at MECARDASCIA@aol.com, and you can always count on the OBC guys to "watch your back" to find great deals on needed cards. Speaking of not pulling the trigger, John Morrison was there with his usual array of great old beat-up cards. In the last two days I won sixteen 1933 Goudey cards in pretty nice shape for the opening bid of five bucks a card. John had just bought about $26,000 worth of 1950's and 1960's superstars in very nice conditions and was sorting them out. Aaron's, Clemente's, Musial's, Mays's, Rose's, Yastrzemski's. He also had a big old 1600-count box almost full of OBC beaters, easily over 1000 cards, maybe more than that. He mentioned a price of $550, which I figured I could go in on with Jeff and some of the other guys on. There were some nice, sharp 1955 Red Man Tobacco's, and many star and superstar cards in lesser condition like a 1953 Paige and a 1954 Ted Williams #250. I couldn't find Jeff after I forgot that he had to leave early but on second thought that was a great deal, less than 50 cents a card for many stars, superstars, HOFers, and commons in our kind of shape. Another guy at the show was interested in them and they're most likely gone by now. In any case, John Morrison's got some inventory-on-steroids lately and has always done right by OBC members. Get in touch with him if you are looking for anything in particular from the 1950's and 1960's, as if that narrows it down a lot. Bottom line, a great time was had by all, especially me. 1954 Bowman, banzai! Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "To make a long story short: Uh-oh." (Eeyore) ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:39:45 EDT Subject: B'day project update -- WOW! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... there have been some radical changes in the status of the Birthday project within the past 24 hours! Linda Fitak, Mike Wierzbicki, Peter Iverson, and Glenn Codere come through with specific cards and Mike Rich lets me know he'll be able to help with some from his dupes box too. The players eliminated in the past 24 hours are: Mike Paxton -- DONE!! -- Thanks to Mike Wierzbicki Dave Campbell (not the Twin)-- DONE -- Thanks to Mike Wierzbicki! Tom Brewer -- DONE!! -- Thanks to Peter Iverson, who offers Tom's rookie card! Thanks also to Linda who offered a '56... y'all are amazing. Morrie Martin -- DONE!! -- Thanks to Linda Fitak!! Sandy Consuegra -- Peter Iverson comes through! Thanks Peter!! Eddie Stanky -- DONE!! -- Thanks to Linda Fitak!! Bill Gilbreth -- Glenn Codere offers to get me a scan from the '72 Tigers yearbook!! How cool is that? I can use it to make my own card of him for Beth's dad. Ed Konetchy -- Conlon offered by Linda Fitak, which will be great unless someone has an oldie of him. Thanks Linda!! The players that I still need a card of (or a photo if they are noted as not having a card) are: Kerby Farrell -- I have a magazine with an article on him if no one has these! However, the magazine article is about him as a manager. Does anyone have a photo from his playing days? 1957 Indians Team Issue Kerby Ferrell #6 1969 White Sox Team Issue Color Kerby Farrell #4 1973 Tacoma Twins Caruso Kerby Farrell #6 Art Fromme 1909 Ramly T204 Art Fromme #48 1909 T206 White Border Art Fromme #136 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 Art Fromme #41 1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 Art Froome-Cincinnati #112 1910 Sweet Caporal "Domino" Discs Art Fromme #46 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins Art Fromme #98 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #26 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #113 1910-13 Red Cross T215 Art Fromme #194 1910-14 People's T216 Art Fromme #24 1910-19 Coupon T213 Art Fromme #136 1911 Helmar Stamps Art Fromme #113 1911 Pinkerton T5 Art Fromme #417 1911 S74 Silks Art Fromme #74 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Art Fromme #132 1911 Sporting Life M116 Art Fromme #193 1911 T205 Gold Border Art Fromme #61 1911 Turkey Red T3 * Art Fromme #93 1912 Colgan's Red Border Art Froome #112 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 T.Jones/A.Fromme/L.McLean #73A 1912 T207 Brown Background Art Fromme #63 1913 Colgans Tin Tops Art Froome #112 1914 Piedmont Stamps T330-2 Arthur Fromme #45 1915 American Caramel E106 Art Fromme #18 1915 Victory T214 Art Fromme #11 1915 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #138 1916 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #128 1917 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #105 1918 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #99 1919 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #136 1920 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #141 1921 Zeenuts Arthur Fromme #157 1972 Classic Cards Art Fromme #63 George Stone 1908-09 Rose Company PC760 George Stone #73 1909 H.H. Bregstone PC743 George Stone #49 1909 T206 White Border George Stone #341 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 George Stone-green background #99 1909-11 American Caramel E90-1 George Stone-sky background #100 1909-11 Colgan's Chips E254 George R. Stone #274 1910 Nadja Caramel E92 George Stone NADJA-L.F., St. Louis AM. on bottom #50A 1910 Nadja Caramel E92 George Stone NAJDA-St. Louis Amer. On bottom #50B 1910 Sweet Caporal Tobacco Pins George Stone #55 1911 Pinkerton T5 George Stone #104 1911 S74 Silks George Stone #36 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 George Stone #336 1911 Sporting Life M116 George Stone #118 1911 T205 Gold Border George Stone #163 1911 Turkey Red T3 * George Stone #119 1912 Colgan's Red Border George R. Stone-St. Louis Am. L. #274 1912 Hassan Triple Folders T202 Stone/Sheck./Schulte #66 1912 Home Run Kisses E136-1 George Stone #45 1912 Zeenuts George Stone #74 1913 Colgans Tin Tops Stone-St. Louis Am. L. #274 1972 Classic Cards George Stone #52 Jerry Donovan 1928 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #130 1929 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #129 1930 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #141 1931 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #103 1932 Zeenuts Jerry Donovan #98 1933 Zeenuts (Sepia) Gerald Donovan #38 1933-36 Zeenuts (B and W) Jerry Donovan #85 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- # Mike Kahoe 1903-04 Breisch-Williams E107 Mike Kahoe #78 1909 Ramly T204 Mike Kahoe #62 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Mike Kahoe #194 Bill Armour 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets W600 Bill Armour #8 Harry Decker -- Has an Old Judge card... don=E2=99t know # No known cards -- any info/photos would be amazing!: Frank Jelincich -- none Guy McFadden -- none Jack Redmond -- None Bill Moore -- None Katsey Keifer -- None Bill Goeckel --- None Dusty Miller -- None ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:44:22 EDT Subject: cleaning ball caps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Does anyone know how to clean a sweaty ball cap? I'd like to clean the one that I use for yard work, but I'm worried about the cardboard in the bill. ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:32:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Try using one of those hat "frames" that I picked up at Walmart. It keeps the hat's shape in the cleaning process, stick it in the dishwasher, and dry ASAP. Sometime the colors fade though! In a message dated 8/17/2002 9:45:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, amcook93@aol.com writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps > Date:8/17/2002 9:45:33 AM Pacific Standard Time > From:amcook93@aol.com > To > Sent from the Internet > Does anyone know how to clean a sweaty ball cap? I'd like to clean the one > that I use for yard work, but I'm worried about the cardboard in the bill. > Suggestions? > Thanks, > Andy ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps From: Neal Thomas Those aren't sweat stains--they are character. You should see the hat I wear to play softball. It started off as deep blue (Red Sox), but then turned to brown, and now it if this grayish/purple color. I wouldn't change it for the world. My fishing hat (lighter blue Duke cap) is about 10 different colors, and both hold their shape, even at the bottom of a suitcase. I just now consider them broken in. Can't wear them to work though! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Sweendoger@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps Date: 08/17/2002 01:32pm Try using one of those hat "frames" that I picked up at Walmart. It the hat's shape in the cleaning process, stick it in the dishwasher, and dry ASAP. Sometime the colors fade though! In a message dated 8/17/2002 9:45:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, amcook93@aol.com writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps > Date:8/17/2002 9:45:33 AM Pacific Standard Time > From:amcook93@aol.com > To > Sent from the Internet > Does anyone know how to clean a sweaty ball cap? I'd like to clean the one > that I use for yard work, but I'm worried about the cardboard in the bill. > Suggestions? > Thanks, > Andy ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:40:19 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Variation or error? From: Neal Thomas Question--I was just putting a 1954 #210, Bob Buhl, in the binder, and noticed the back says, pitcher, "Miwaukees" Braves. Is this a local spelling, or an uncorrected mispelling (missing the 'l' and adding an 's' on the end)? Thanks, ================= To: Subject: Dis 'n Dat Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 11:03:23 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" And speaking of errors/variations, is anyone able to confirm (in other words have you got or seen one) that there is a variation of '64 #4 A.L. Pitching Ldrs? Has something to do with an apostrophe on the back? As for the strike deadline of August 30th- I hereby make my pledge that if there is a strike/lockout (I don't care what they want to call it) I will never go to another major league game again...all of my support will go to the minor leagues. That should hurt them, since I am lucky to get to more than 1 game a year usually... Tiger Dave fans please note...Dave will have a new address and phone as of later this week...if you need it drop me a line....Wayne will be updating the Certified Dealer info... Re the monthly Directory I send out...if you wouldn't mind taking a few minutes to have a look at your last listing in the August edition, please check to see if everything is right, or if you need anything added like Ebay ID's etc. Please also let me know if your Birthday has changed. Off to Slavery Island next week....get to play with my new chain saw....might be mailing parts of me home in puffies... Watching the Angels closely this weekend...if the Yanks can beat up Seattle, and the Twins handle the Bosox, this could be the big move....only 1/2 game back....keeping an eye on Oakland in the rear view mirror too... 10-4 and Out The Door.....Grant ================= Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:21:57 EDT Subject: A few availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com 1. Guys and/or gals I owe (legions of people) 2. Trade offers 3. First come, first serve Please speed up process by including your address with requests. Have at 'em: Aug 17, 2002 1934 Goudey # 38 1953 #'s Topps #'s 51p 121p 160p 224p 1954 #'s Topps # 's 72g-vg 98f Bowman # 1956 #'s 19vg 23f 103g 220vg 1957 # 's 5g (Maglie) 336vg 1958 #'s 385vg 1959 #'s 221vg 253g 498vg 1960 Fleer # 79vg (Kiner) 1962 # 's 14vg(Bill White) 338g 1963 Fleer # 7vg (Monbouquette) 1964 #'s 164g 208vg 274f(marked checklist) 1965 #'s 35vg-ex 51g 103f(Kuenn) 113f 115f(Richardson) 153f(Cash) 162g 242f 327f-g 351f 364f 423f 560f(Boog Powell) Topps Embossed 45g 52g 67g 1966 #'s 49g 154g 168vg 272f 366g 1967 # 's 7vg 18vg 38ex 75vg 101g 170f-g Dexter Press 250 (Santo) 293 (Pepitone) 1968 #'s 15vg 29ex 44f 57vg 171f 192f(Yaz checklist unmarked but very beat up) 206vg 261g 301f 313vg 352vg 357vg 357vg 1968 Game Cards #'s 11vg 11f 12g 12p(badly trimmed) 15vg 18g 24ex 24g 24f 28vg 32g 33f 1969 #'s 29vg 313g 333g 369g 369g 574vg 633g 633g-vg 1970 #'s 9f(heavily marked checklist) 16vg 26g(McGraw) 69g(back miscut - Seaver, Niekro, Jenkins, Marichal) 81g 161g 173g 178g 181f(Sparky Anderson) 183 247f 356vg 1971 #'s 6g 24g 25vg 41g 44g 46g 46vg 51vg 56g 59vg 59g 77g 85g 87vg 92g 92g 103f 106vg-ex 114g(Billy Conigliaro) 115g(Clendenon) 126vg 150vg 153g 174vg 174vg 186g 186g 186g 211g 252f 273vg 274g 373g 373vg 374g(Clete Boyer) 374vg(Clete 374vg(Clete Boyer) 374vg(Clete Boyer) 374g(Clete Boyer) 376vg 377vg 379g 381g 382g 382g 387g 387vg 387vg 477vg(Weaver) 560g-vg(Staub) 1972 #'s 10g(Otis) 10g(Otis) 14vg 15vg 17vg 20g 21g(Braves) 23vg 24f 30vg(Petrocelli) 30g(Petrocelli) 34g(Billy Martin) 48g 53g(B. Harrelson) 58f(trimmed) 62vg 62vg 68vg 72g 76vg 76ex 78vg 81g 82vg 85vg(Torre-Garr-Beckert) 89vg(Stargell-Aaron-May) 90g(Melton-Cash-R. Jackson) 94vg(Lolich-Blue-Wood) 101vg(Greif-Richard-Busse) 105vg 106g(Brewers) 106vg(Brewers) 112g(Luzinski) 112g(Luzinski) 114vg(Buckner rookie) 122g 135vg(Pinson) 137g(Dick Williams) 141g 145vg(Kessinger) 148f 149g 158f 160g 167g 167g 171g 171g 174g 177vg 183vg 188f 189g(Tenace) 191f(Burroughs) 193vg 195vg-ex(Cepeda) 196g 201g 209f(Rudi) 209vg(Rudi) 218f 219vg 219g 223vg(WS) 227g(WS) 230g(WS)234vg 235f-g 262p-f 261vg 402g 415vg(Rojas) 455g(Harper) 472g 494vg(Horton - boyhood) 512g 1973 #'s 11vg 19vg 27g 29vg 34vg 36vg 39vg 43g 46g 56vg 71f 83vg 94vg 106vg 111g-vg 114f(miscut) 116vg (Houk) 117vg 121g 125g(Fairly) 133g 144vg 146vg 146g 147g 156vg 162vg 164vg 164vg 172g 184vg 188g 192g 198g 198vg 211g 212g 215f(Dusty Baker) 223g(Harrelson) 231g 234vg 244vg 249vg 251vg 254vg 263vg 1974 #'s 9g(Lolich) 82f 321g 509g 659g / 42T vg 319T vg 544T ex 649T ex 1975 #'s 86vg 159vg 263g 263vg 1976 #'s 36vg 178vg-ex 1979 #'s 61vg-ex 146vg 168vg-ex 168vg 253vg 511g 705g 1984 Fleer #396nm(Eckersley) 2001 Upper Deck Origins of the Game #57nm (Rogers Hornsby) ================= To: Subject: National photos Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 14:52:59 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" I put together some photos from the National, (most are from the Swap session on Saturday night. Also most were taken by Wade, (my son), giving memore time to wallow in the dupe boxes. I have become confused as to who was who and I'm sure I have put the wrong name to some photos. Let me know and I will correct them. I was going to add a few more pictures of other OBC encounters I've hadbut I haven't located them yet. http://members.sigecom.net/yaz/picpage.html Greg (yaz) ================= To: amcook93@aol.com Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 15:31:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] cleaning ball caps From: Rick Keating My daughter confirms - put it into the dishwasher. Top rack, she On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:44:22 EDT amcook93@aol.com writes: > Does anyone know how to clean a sweaty ball cap? I'd like to clean > the one > that I use for yard work, but I'm worried about the cardboard in the > bill. > Suggestions? > Thanks, > Andy > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: East Coast Nat'l (a long one...) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 10:49:29 -0400 From: "Robert Reed" I was able to sneak out on Friday to attend the East Coast National. I had the pleasure to meet Rob Goia, Jeff Delott, and Brian Dwyer for the first time and Wayne Delia for the 2nd time. I kept an eye on my two sons so I didn't get a chance to go through table too much myself. I finally noticed someone with a gorilla shirt getting a hot dog and had my older son ask him if he was Jeff. Sure enough it was. Jeff brought me to met dealer John Morris who was considering purchasing a 1300 count of OBC condition cards. Jeff and I were debating on going in on the box but decided against it. There were some good cards in there including 53 Paige, 54 Williams, 73 Schmidt, Yaz's, Banks, Killebrews etc. Also some nice looking Red Man cards without tabs. Anyway, Jeff then directed me to a table where he bought some tough series 57's for a buck each. I was going through the 62's there when I noticed a Todd Ziele jersey walking out the door. I again sent Brendan after him to see if it was Rob Goia. It was and he was meeting Jeff, Brian, and Wayne outside for an exchange of cards. I bought the 4 cards I picked up, went outside and planned to return to the table later. While walking out the door a guy offered me 4 tickets to the Mets game on Saturday. I accepted them, along with a Fleer T-Shirt and Hat all free of charge. I then remembered we were babysitting my niece and nephew the next day and realized I wouldn't be able to go so I passed them on to Rob. Brian handed over a 64 Giant Aaron and some 70 Supers along with a couple of other cards, Rob let me go through his dupe box (which would be all upgrades for me). I did find a hit to the 55 Bowman set and he let each son take a card for their collection. Wayne said he had some cards for me but left them on his kitchen table but promised to send them in the mail. He did hand over his new and improved Baseball Card Image CD which I hope to look at soon. After talking about things for a while we decided to head back in before we got hit by lightning. Said goodbye to Jeff who was suppose to leave 45 minutes earlier. I spent the next 20 minutes trying to find the table I was at earlier with no luck. I did pick up a few cards at some other table during the next hour but the kids were getting bored because they had spent their money already. I chatted with Brian, Wayne, and Rob a little bit more at the OBC friendly dealer they mentioned earlier and said my goodbyes. It was a pleasure meeting new OBCer's and if we don't meet up in Fort Washington in the fall, I do believe all of us are planning on the National at Atlantic City in 2003. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 20:34:31 EDT Subject: National Report (finally) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I've been working on and off on this for a few days. Probably forgot lots of stuff, but I felt I had to get this out. Enjoy! Day 1: Westward Ho! Bright and early Wednesday (about 4:30 AM) I headed to Manchester, NH airport to board a plane headed for Chicago's O'Hare airport via Philadelphia. Trip got off to a bit of a rocky start when the E-ticket machine wouldn't accept my credit card for identification. The problem, as it turns out, was that E-tix were under JAMES HATCH and my credit card was under JAMES R HATCH JR so the computer couldn't find an exact match (now you all know where "jrhatchjr" comes from). Boarding the plane was also a bit delayed, as I got pulled aside at the gate for a security search. Now, I had one piece of carry-on luggage with my clothes on top and boxes of dupes underneath. When the security agent started to dig through, he discovered the white boxes which naturally raised a suspicion. Out my clothes came and when the agent took out the boxes, he couldn't figure out how to open them so I gave him a little assistance. When he discovered four boxes full of cards he started telling me about how he sold his football collection about 10 years ago. After my cards were deemed clean (so to speak) I boarded the plane. The only other glitch came when I landed at O'Hare. About a month ago, I called the hotel I was staying at (Candlewood Suites) and asked about their airport shuttle service. I was told that it runs continuously and that it should be at the airport every 5-15 minutes. After getting to the shuttle area (which seemed like it was in the most remote part of the airport) I waited an hour without seeing my shuttle. I tried to call the hotel ten times on four different phones, but each phone said "all circuits are busy right now...please call again later." With steam seeping through my eyeballs, I had to come up with a plan B. While thinking about plan B, I noticed another hotel's shuttle (Days Inn) that had an address on the same road and only about 400 numbers away, so I took it to Days Inn and walked about 2000 yards to Candlewood Suites. Finally in my room, Steve Rittenberg (my roomie) was already at the show, though being put to work by Kevin Savage. I found a restaurant nearby and had a nice (and expensive) fettuccine alfredo and then spent the afternoon watching women's bowling, inflating an air mattress and unpacking...until the call from Big Al Cummings came. Al told me about dinner plans in the city Mother Hubbard's. Some time ago, the gentleman who owns this downtown sports bar, Jim Rittenberg, was looking for a relative of his on the internet. You can guess which OBC'er he came into contact with :-) Steve came by later with Ken Morganti and picked me up. There, we met Steve's "cousin" Jim and met with Kent Goto, Doug Smith, Big Al and Sal Domino for a cool dinner. Day 2: Free admission day Steve and I had breakfast with Big Al and Sal at their hotel and then we were off to the National. Every day, we parked in a public transportation parking lot a block or two from the show. The lot was only $1.50 per day, versus$12 (I think) in the parking garage across the street from the show. More money for cards is a good thing :-) Never having been to a National, I had no idea what to expect. Having been to other shows, though, I knew that even though Thursday was Free Admission Day at the National, I should buy my tickets for the remaining days of the show in advance. At 11 AM sharp, it looked like the start of the Boston Marathon: loads of people making a mad dash for the entrance. My plan all along was to start at the back of the show (avoiding the crowded front phenomenon) and work my way forward. Once I got into the convention center did make it to the back all right, but soon got disoriented because this place was so damn big and started wandering aimlessly. So much for strategic planning, eh? Eventually, I made my way to the front of the center and stopped at Kit Young's table to look at some Zeenuts. While looking downward, my peripheral vision caught a glimpse of a familiarly formatted wantlist: a printout from the OBC site. A very well dressed man was carrying George Vrechek's wantlist, so either this was George himself or someone looking for Geroge's cards. Never having met him, I banked on the former and asked if he was indeed George. Sure enough he was! It must have been a kick for some of bystanders: a tall man dressed in a nice suit chatting with a guy in a Hawaiian shirt with glasses! We agreed to meet again at 4:00 while I tried to round up some of the others to meet George. At four, we had a mini gathering at which time I met Earl Kilbourn. At closing time (7:00) we all met at the entrance, where I met Mac Wubben. Mac and Steve were going to see the White Sox game, so Ken, Kent, Sal, Earl, Al, Doug and I went out for Italian food. Doug agreed to drop me off at my hotel after dinner and graciously didn't chew me out when I took him the wrong way. Day 3: Bar-B-Q Mac (who spent the night in our room) left for the show with Steve and I around 9:30. When we got to the show, Mac and I had an hour or so to kill, so we rummaged through a monster box of "junk" courtesy of Steve. So, I came up with what seemed like a brilliant idea: with everyone lined up to get into the show at the left entrance already, I suggested we park ourselves on the floor in front of the right entrance. This way, we'll be first in line when they start letting people in on the right. Eventually, people started lining up on the right, but we ended up behind many people anyway. Note to self: good idea, need better execution. For the second straight day I wandered around aimlessly, stopping at any "bargain" boxes I saw. Some of these were actually quite funny. One guy a whole book full of vintage cards that were trimmed: 1933 Goudeys right through the 60's. Don't get me wrong...I don't mind trimmed cards if they're priced right (cheap). The funny part was that they were priced at more than what you could find whole cards for! The Goudey commons were missing the bottom third of the cards and were priced anywhere from $3-$7!! 1952 Topps commons were (at least) $3 each!! I felt like informing the seller that these types of mini's do not in fact carry any sort of premium, but I bit my tongue and moved on. Around 2:30 I made my way to the front of the hall, preparing to leave for David Kolenda's cookout. At the front, I met Rick Ellison, Joel Glickmanand the rest of the Friday crew. At 3:00 Mac, Steve and I left for Indiana. Before the trip, I chatted with David online and asked about the time it would take to get to his place from the show. He estimated 45 minutes ona good day and 3 hours or more on a bad day. Leaving at 3:00 I thought we'd have plenty of time for the cookout at 6:00. Well, between traffic and us missing an exit we arrived shortly after 6:00. David had turned his garage into a card area as a whole table was already covered with cardboard. There, I met David, Mike "the chef" Hair, Gary Mandell, Larry Gersbach, Joe Cerullo and Mike Wierzbicki. I looked through some of the cards and retired to the backyard to have a couple of pops and relax on a perfect summer night. I'm told an OBC record was tied that night by having 18 OBC'ers present at one time. That's quite an accomplishment, considering the geographical vastness of everyone in the group. I can certainly appreciate that, given my residence in the Republic of New Hampshire ;-) One benefit of having so many people there was that it gave an opportunity for Ken "The Mad Hatter" Morganti to distribute those sharp new OBC hats to those present, not only to us but for those who are somewhat near us (Sean: if you're reading this I have a hat for you!). I have to tell you: I'm not as fanatical about ribs as maybe some others are, but Mike Hair's ribs are FANTASTIC!! That sauce is awesome!! After having some ribs, some more ribs and then some more ribs (squeezing in a hamburger, too) the group seemed to, at once, move the gathering into the area where David's collection resides. I won't go into any specifics, but let me just say that it was one of the most impressive collections I've ever seen. Some examples I have never seen "live" let alone being able to pick them up and actually hold them. In addition, the presentation was fantastic! Again, many thanks to host David, chef Mike and all present for a cool evening. After the cookout was over Mac, Steve and I headed back to Chicago. We only went out of our way twice coming back and ran into mucho traffic in Chicago due to night work. If I'm ever in Chicago for any length of time, I'll be sure to use the public transportation system, as I'm very averse to traffic. Day 4: Dinner and dessert - OBC style! Saturday was going to be my last day at the show. This time, admission for the masses like me was at 11AM versus 10AM the previous two days. The only reason I can think of for having such a late start would be the promotion company's "incentive" to get one of those VIP passes and get in an hour earlier than the general public. For me, this option made no sense since admission was free on Thursday and I wasn't going to be around Sunday. I'm not sure I would have purchased the VIP pass anyway, since admission was 'only' $10/day and the pass was something like $99 (maybe $89...I can't remember). The extra promotional items, autographs, etc. certainly weren't worth the extra money to me. Once inside, I ran into Tim Newcomb and we decided to meet for lunch at 1PM. We tried to spread the word around the hall in case anyone else wanted to join us. Sure enough I met Carl Mura and Greg Conway, whose son Wade hada really cool signed A-Rod ball. OBC'ers were coming and going throughout the unofficial luncheon. Since we all had our new hats, we were much easier to spot. A couple of dealers saw my hat and asked me what it meant, so I guess the advertising really works! After another tough day of searching for useful cardboard, Steve and I headed to the Best Western across town for the swap session, hosted by Kevin Savage. Once there, the pizza and soda were already out. I helped Steve with his dupes boxes - he must have had 10 monster boxes after all. The pizza and soda went down nicely and then the cardboard began to fly. What a sight! By my count there were 17 OBC'ers present throughout the evening...another massive gathering! Thanks to everyone there for a great time and some cool cards. An added acknowledgement goes out to Kevin Savage who joined us for bit, but had to leave early to take his own troops out to dinner. Day 5: Back ta New Hampsha Sunday was farewell day to the Windy City and my roomie Steve. I made sure had a ride to the airport...out of principle for the episode when I arrivedI was going to "force" the hotel to give me a ride to O'Hare. No problems this time, as I got to the airport in 10 minutes and got my boarding pass in two (after the E-ticket machine again wouldn't accept my credit card for ID). I boarded my plane, I again got stopped at the gate for a security check and again had to expose my carry-on luggage with dupes boxes in tow. This time, I had cards in every pocket of my luggage and after the inspection, the inspector complimented me on my collection. Gee, thanks! I got home around 5:00 after being picked up by my wife and going out to dinner. I slept for a couple of hours, woke up to set my roto lineup forthe week, and went to bed around 8:00, after which I could have slept right into Summary and other random thoughts I found that at the National, you really had to sniff out the low grade cards...if they existed. I thought it would be much easier, but I suppose the best way for dealers to make money is to show and sell their slabbed goods and other high grade material. One dealer I met on Saturday seemedto be OBC friendly: Ron Estes from MO. While at his table, I was wearing mynew OBC hat and he asked me what it meant. I explained to him who we are and what we collect. He said he deals with mostly off-grade cards so it would a perfect fit for him. To give you an example, I bought from him 4 1967 highs, about 15 1954 Topps commons, a 1954 Eddie Matthews and a 1933 Goudey Adolfo Luque for $25. He said he's going to check out our website, so you may hear from him soon. I definitely give him two thumbs up! Was this purchase my biggest bargain of the show? No way. One table I stopped at had mostly slabbed cards, but I noticed a couple of boxes on the side and started searching through them. I pulled out a raw 1954 Topps Jackie Robinson in good-ish condition. I asked him for an idea of what he was asking for it. He looked it up and quoted me $20. I kind of looked it unexcitedly from a few different angles at which time he said I could have it for $15. Yes...an excellent deal, but I wanted it for less...and got it for $10!! The other big bargain for me was pulling the 1959 Hitter's Foes card (featuring Drysdale) out of a .15 box!! I did have some goals going into the National, but didn't achieve many of them. First and foremost, I wanted to reduce my Obak wantlist in half. knew this was very aggressive to begin with and having scoured the entire floor for three days, I found one measly card I needed...which I didn't buy as it was a bit out of my range. I also wanted to complete my 1973 Topps set, and almost did it - I am two shy. I also wanted to find some low grade keys to my 1969 Topps set (Mantle, Ryan, Jackson RC, Clemente) but was unsuccessful, as I was trying to acquire a low grade 1968 Ryan RC. I did complete my 1943 M.P. and Co. by getting the last three cards from Dan Evan and Steve Verkman. [fade to Jim giving an editorial] I've heard many horror stories about Steve Verkman. I will say up front that I have never purchased anything from his online auction. I have purchased from him a number of times in person at the annual Wilmington Shriner's show, at FW once and at the National this year. Until someone pisses me off personally, I don't have any reservations about purchasing from anyone. My experiences with Steve Verkman have been positive. No, I don't give him hundreds of dollars every time I see his table. I've had some purchases from him of less than $10. The fact is that he has a very good variety of cards, both in terms of issues and grades. Every time I've asked for a discount I've received it. Yes, it's annoying when his assistants have to get approval for a $4 discount and when every card sold has to be recorded. To save a few bucks, why not? Money is better in my pocket than his. Until he treats me wrong (like Roy Datema of Wonder Cards and Comics in Vermont, who was at the National and I avoided like "the plague"), I'll continue to at least look, and most likely buy, cards when I see his table. [fade to Jim continuing his National ramble] The National is an exhausting experience. I'm not Mr. Fitness by any means, but still consider myself to be in decent physical shape. Walking aroundfor eight hours in a huge hall, standing hunched over boxes and binders of cards and negotiating prices at every table is still tiring. Combine this with the lack of nutritional and reasonably-priced food that can be found at a convention hall makes it even more draining. As an alternative to a greaseburger, I kept some snacks and a bottle of water with me every day...just enough to keep me 'till dinner time. Next time, peanut butter sandwiches and fruit will be in order. Speaking of next time...Atlantic City is the site of next year's National. Even before arriving in Chicago, I started to look at road maps to New Jersey. I figure it will take me about 6-7 hours to drive there. If all well then, I'd certainly like to go. I'll worry about that next year, since I don't have to scour the internet for cheap plane tickets. Happy Collecting! ================= To: Subject: error Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 23:16:35 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" looks like an uncorrected error on 1954 Topps Buhl. Neat find after all these years. Haven't seen it mentioned before. Mine is the same. George Vrechek ================= To: Subject: 2002 NATL. Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 13:12:59 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Got a few min. before it's off to the airport to head to Belguim. Wanted to take one more look back at this years Natl. Got to see about 20 OBCers over the weekend. Got to meet five new ones. Want to Thank Ken Morganti for not eating me out of house and home . A special thanks to Mike Hair, Ken Moganti, and Joe Cerullo for helping prepare ofr the cookout. Finished my 54 bowman football at the Natl. Did some major damage to the 39 playballs. Was able to pick up a nice Williams, plus a number of high numbers. Did a good number on the 50 bowman set. Will be adding some sets to the wantlist. 1970's super glossy football, had a few, found a bunch at the natl. 1954, 1959, and 1960 Armour coins. Had some, e-bay produced a few, and a local dealer had an album of them. Could be a real task if I go aftyer the different colors. 1958 Hires Root Beer is going to be the tough one. Found 10 super nice ones at the natl (with tabs). Will add the 60 leaf set as soon as I find a few more. Will be adding the 1936 Diamond Matchbooks - Chicago Cubs. This set contains 23 different Cubs. Again thanks to all who looked at or hit my wantlist over the weekend. Hope to see all of you in Atlantic City next year. David K. ================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 15:54:34 EDT Subject: 2002 National In-Summary - Part I To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC_National-owner@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, Just some final and random thoughts on the National. Aug. 7, Wed. - Get an early start 10AM but should have left earlier because I forgot about how traffic is around Chicago in the afternoon. Get trapped in the left lane on I-55 and can't get over soon enough for my designated exit. Use alternate route which turns out to be a short-cut anyway. Arrive at hotel, half an hour before Doug Smith does who graciously decided to be my roommate this year for two days. After Doug arrives we head down to the sports bar in the lobby of hotel we're at and partake in some brew (tea of course) and popcorn. Head back to the room and try to locate and get ahold of folks in town already. Call Steve Rittenberg and get funny dial tone. Call St. Al, Al answers with 'Doug is that you?', I reply 'No this is Kent'. Moment of silence on Al side. He's probably thinking Kent who. So, I proceed to explain that I'm calling him on Doug's cell phone as I did not bring mine this year anyway. So, we make plans to meet up at St. Al's hotel and go to dinner from there. Doug and I arrive at St. Al's hotel and see St. Al and Sal Domino. What a sight St. Al and little Sal. A dynamic duo at best - just kidding guys. Soon after Ken Morganti, Steve and Jim Hatch arrive and we head off for ports unknown. Not really but some place in downtown Chicago called - Mother Hubbard's. Let's not go there with this name. Steve's supposedly long-lost relative provides some appetizers, we partake in some brew (we're not talking tea this time) and burgers and whatever. Everybody decides to head back to the hotel except Steve and I as we decided we wanted to walk some of the food and drink we just had off. We end up in Harry Caray's place and partake a drink and watch the end of Red Sox game in which they lose a close one. Head back to the hotel and tell Steve to make a left and the road he needs to get to merges onto the one he needs instead of saying intersects. Oh well, he made it back. Directions, directions, directions, oh for the right direction. Steve know what I'm talking about. Aug. 9, Thurs. - Wake up early pumped for the National. Doug sleeps in awhile. I go down for breakfast. Arrive at the National about a half hour or so early. They are giving things away (literally throwing this stuff at people in line) as I'm standing in line only it's the unmentionable UV stuff and some Britney Spears promotional stuff. Find Doug and we go into the National. My find of the day is about 300 61T's in EX-MT shape for about .30 a piece as I'm working on a trade with a future OBCer possibly. And a 65T Mantle is a slab I forgot to bring to the swapfest. Anybody in need of a 65T Mantle let me know as it is up for trade or it will be up for sale. During the course of the day I meet up with Ken, Steve, Jim, St. Al, Sal, and Earl Kilbourn. It is decided we are going to dine at some pizza joint called - Giordano's. I can not forget a name like this as I played softball with a guy on my team named naturally Mike Giordano. Anybody from the Chicago area knows or should know about Giordano's. You have to remember the theme for this National is directions, lack of direction, following directions - if you know what I mean. Anyway we're in the parking lot of Giordano's playing phone tag as somebody got lost or should I say got mis-directed whatever. Anyway while we are waiting I figure I'll handout some cards I had already pre-selected for those who I knew were coming to the National to pass the time away. It's a good thing we had a forty-five minute wait for the restaurant. As it took the lost parties who will remain nameless close to that time to get there it seemed like. Just kidding guys. Anyway a good time was had by all. Coming soon - Part II to your neighborhood. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: John Roseboro Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:56:30 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Just read on ESPN's site that former Dodger catcher John Roseboro has passed away. I know it is inevitible for all, but still sad to see. ================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:01:40 EDT Subject: sheet question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Do they have sheets for 1951-52 Bowmans? I figure those sheets would work great for 1971 Milk Duds, 1969 Nabiscos and Dell Stamps. Thanks in advance for any info, ================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:37:44 EDT Subject: 1960 Topps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Does anyone have a list of the 1960 Topps variations/errors? As long as I'm starting this set, I might as well keep track of the white/grey backs and any others I should know about. There should be some available from this set once I finish sorting it out. ================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:41:05 EDT Subject: mia culpa To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i need to apologize. about 2 weeks before national, i purchased a 4000 card collection, and spent a lot of time integrating that into my existing cards. (in fact, i still am not done with the last set, and then i need to check all the dupes for variations.) i also needed to get my dupe list and want list ready for 2 days at the show. and, stupidly enough, i put out a list of 60s superstars that i had available. now, reality hits. i probably owe at least a dozen or so folks who have already sent me cards, and another half dozen on the way. i have 20 trade offers for those superstars (i still have them - dont worry). and last but not least, i let myself get far behind at work, and i owe my clients more attention than that. so, no excuses, just poor scheduling of my time. i promise i will work through all of this, and hope to be completely caught up on the card front in the next three weeks (with a looming strike, i wont have baseball to watch, so the cards can take over). oh yeah, i need to get ready for my fantasy football draft on september 1. hmm, i wonder how many days i can go without sleep? i wonder if i can get my niece to cancel her visit this weekend? i wonder if i can get my life back? i wonder if i can get some perspective on this hobby and get a few important things out of the way outside of baseball cards? i wonder? i wonder? i wonder? i sure will try, and hope you all will forgive me! if i owe you, i know all about it. the cards aren't going anywhere, and i will get to you. if you made an offer on those superstars, i will sort them all out and get back to you ASAP! most of all, i thank everybody for their patience, and i will try not to let this happen again. at least i have thanked everybody for the cards they have tnx, gary mandell ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Variation or error? Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:46:46 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" My '54 #210 also says "Miwakees" That makes 3... must be all of them! :) ================= Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:18:11 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Get a way Day and the Box Score From: Sal had left Saturday afternoon and paid for it dearly as he missed the best part of the show. The swap meet was like nothing you will see outside a big OBC gathering. People giving out cards, other searching dupe boxes and many more just having a blast. You have to get there. Sunday Morning and Earl and I work out most of the details on the room and head to breakfast. I stop to pay the bill and clean up that bill. We pull in to the same restaurant we have eaten at for 3 mornings. We never got lost going there. Our assigned parking spot was taken but there was another one close to the door. We were seated and enjoy another fine meal. They did a good job on breakfast every day. We are talking and I realize that I did not leave a tip for the maid. I tried to blame it on Earl, if nothing else then to relieve my conscience. He wasn't buying it but we sort of made up for it by both tipping the waitress. I bought Earl's breatfast as a bribe for taking me to the airport. I am pretty sure we followed the directions exactly but it sure seemed like we got lost inside the airport. I got into the wrong line and waited a few minutes before moving to the real line. I got through the line and security with no stops this time. It turned out to be false hope as I was stopped at the gate for a random check. I had my slippers on this time so checking my feet was a cinch. I made it on the plane and as my luck was going I was in the kids flying alone row. The little girl was fine but the boy was a self-acclaimed hyperactive brat. He was playing with everything within reach, never stopped talking and made a pest of himself the whole flight. They had to get up 5 times and just plain annoying. When we departing, the people in the row behind me said the airline should give me an upgrade for the stuff I put up with. I was a rock and never bothered them and made sure they lived long enough to reach the next stop. Stop? You ask. Well, in my haste to book a flight I failed to notice that this plane stopped in Spokane and then I changed to a 30 seat prop plane for the flight over the mountains and into SeaTac. With an hour layover in Spokane and the food stand out of everything but pretzels and pop, I had no fun the last leg of the journey. We roared and rumbled for over an hour until we got to home and the long walk to the baggage claim and shuttle bus. I got home and then got in the car to go to the store and buy something for dinner. Why would I need to rest or relax? I was just on So all in all, a good trip, lots of new people and more cards to sort through. I didn't give out more cards than I left with. I failed to improve my reputation as the lost driver. I did not do well on the diet. I did not tip the maid. I did stay within the budget, almost. I did find a few cards I wanted. I met some more great dealers. I visited Chicago, more of it than planned. I saw the "Vault". Thanks again to everyone for being there and for reading this book on the trials and errors of a trip to the Nationals. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:09:58 EDT Subject: 1963 Topps Bob Uecker wanted To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com. From: Celenox@aol.com Can anybody help me pick up a 1963 topps Bob Uecker? I really need it for my set, and have been trying for a few years to find one. If n-e one can help please e-mail me. Thanx ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: National report (long!) Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:08:20 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Here goes nothing.... If it was a three day show and not the National, I probably would have cancelled. But having already paid for a room and the opportunity to see so many OBCers was too much to pass up. I think I began packing for my drive out there around 1 am. I planned to leave first thing in the morning and ended up leaving by 1:30 pm. Mike Rich graciously told me I could stopover at his place in Detroit. I'm sure he didn't expect me to leave thatlate. I would have arrived around 9:30pm but got lost on a stupid detour and didnt bother to call Mike for help. Then the mapquest directions confused the hell out of me once I got within 2 miles of his house. But Mike was very patient with me and stood out on the street so I wouldn't miss him. His house is a shrine to cards and memorabilia. I don't think there is a room in his house without a display case. One item that cannot be left unmentioned is his Mr Mint baseball. I suppose I should have picked up a Mr Mint bobble head at the show but I kept getting ill every time I went near his table. To make further insult Mike, I looked through his 1962 green tint set and found a few cases where he didn't actually have the regularcard and the variation. Fortunately, I picked up the one card he still needed at the show. For all the grief I gave him, Mike gave me a BOX of hockey cards from the 50s through 70s with lots of HOFers in great shape in there, like Mikita and Beliveau. I dug up a few cards for hiim in exchange, though most were of the "dealer scum" variety. After Mike made breakfast and re-packed my car, I was off to Chicago. I think I got lost 3 times by the time I got to the highway about 2 miles fromhis house. I drove about two hours and met a librarian friend for lunch.When her back was turned, I went off to check my e-mail on one of the public computers and was promptly thrown out of the library for violating their policy against such activity. I fumed all the way to Chicago. Once I got to Chicago, I fumed for 90 minutes trying to go across the city. Rush hour apparently begins at 6am and ends sometime around 3am. I finally made my way to my hotel and fetched a luggage cart for my dupes boxes. I *filled* it. I had visions of starting lots of unsuspecting OBCers on football, basketball and hockey sets, as well as sorting out some other crap. After my last sensible meal for the week, I went to bed. Wednesday I got up and headed over to the show to help a dealer set up. Quite an unfair deal for him -- I got lost several times and ended up an hour late so didn't do any of the heavy lifting. In exchange, I was given a dealer badge. I won't disclose the name of the dealer for fear that others will try this dirty trick next year. Around 10 or 11am, I was all doneso figuring I had nothing left to do, I went to see all the other dealers at the show. *GRIN* I felt like I was the first customer at the show -- very appealing to my compulsive nature. Let's see.... At Shoebox cards, I bought a bunch of random prewar issues for reasonable prices. Elsewhere I found a really great deal on a 53 Bowman Reese. I didn't have mylist with me most of the day but that didn't matter. It was too hard to hit. Instead, I just bought up everything else I found that was cheap. Silly dealers kept taking my checks so I kept writing them. As I was leaving the show, I bumped into Ken. Somehow we actually came up with a plan for that evening and rounded up everyone else who had arrived by then: Kent Goto, Doug Smith, Big Al, Sal and Jim Hatch (hope I didn't leave anyoneout). Our plan was to go into the city and eat at a sports bar called "Mother Hubbard's" owned by Jim Rittenberg who may or may not be related to me. I still need to write my thank you note to Jim and find out what cards we can send him in exchange for his hospitality. Technically, I was still on my diet even with the monster burger I had. That ended the next day. Big Al treated me to breakfast at his hotel. Iwent *way* overboard. While everyone else ordered a normal breakfast, Ipulled up a chair to the breakfast buffet. Al, Sal and Jim had to drag me out. We got to the show and I abandoned them, as I had my dealer passand they were ordinary mortals. Another day of hoping to pick a few off my list started, and ended with a hundreds of cards that will go out to others (plus some dealer scum stuff). Well, I hope they will be dealer scum cards. I start out thinking that way and then decide "well, I haven't given X anything good for a while". This philosophy becomes expensive when multiplied by 130 members in OBC.... Anyway, late on Thursday, Mac Wubben walked in to the show and I met him at Kevin Savages table. I got Mac to go in on big lot of pricey cards so that I could afford the 41 Playball Williams included. My first Playball Williams!! After the show, Mac and I went to the White Sox game against the Angels. Tickets were amazing -- 10th row from the field. Thanks again to Jim Rittenberg. One interesting thing about Comiskey. Seems to me that there is no such thing as "assigned seating". No one around us seemed to actually own the seats theywere sitting in. After Thursday's fiasco at the breakfast bar, I didn't mention the possibility of going to a restaurant for breakfast. Jim Hatch and Mac Wubben stayed in the room with me so we packed up the car with our dupes so we could go directly to David Kolenda's for his BBQ after the show that day. Somehow we made it out to David's house. Traffic was awful and we missed an important turn despite three of us looking for the exit. Our first stop was David's garage. He had set out some tables with his dupes on them and we were all to have at 'em. I think many of us were overwhelmed by the embarassment of riches in front of us. I know I was. 33 Goudey HOFersmixed in with UV basketball, just waiting to be plucked by the right (compulsive) person. Fortunately for the others, I didn't need any so I held off. Amazingly, no one got an elbow to the head as we crowded around thetable. I heard a rumor that there was more to the evening than just dupes. Everyone else eventually disappeared from the garage so I went around back to look for them. Turns out that Mike Hair is now touring the country as a rib chef. Somehow I managed to only have two helpings of everything -- burgers, brats, ribs, macaroni salad, beer. The only thing on my diet that night was the napkin. Good thing I had saved up my calories from breakfast and lunch. During dinner, the talk of the table was aboutthe "vault". We were told that no one was allowed in until we had all finished our dinner. The Vault looked like something out of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous". A whole room devoted to the gems of David's collection. One wall had nothing but autographed baseballs. Another had hotwheel die cast cards (another of David's passions). On the floor opposite the baseballs, Joe Cerullo and Ken Morganti were taking turns with the slot machine David has in his vault. For the card lovers, there was a table full of complete sets, all in binders. I think just about every vintage Topps set was there, plus some Bowmans and maybe a Goudey and a partial T206 set. And this wasn't even the best of it. The best of the best is housed in glass showcases. I actually got to hold a '52 Topps Mantle. By my rules, I suppose I can now cross it off my list. *grin* Somehow, we were pushed out of the vault and back into the garage. I told David that if he wanted, he could bring his dupes to the swap on Saturday night and I'd take responsibility for distributing what didn't get picked off. What a big mouth I have. Saturday was more of the same -- walking through tables and looking for deals. I found lots of deals from Kurt Turdot. He was offering any OBCer a $10 discount in addition to whatever else they negotiated. I conned Chuck Paris into stopping by and giving my his discount though I couldn't pullthe same trick on anyone else. From Kurt, I got a ton of hockey cards from my lists plus the last hockey tall boy for Mike Rich, a 76 OPC Hank Aaron and some other big cards. At some point during the show, I told a dealer (JD Heckathorn?) that I wanted the worst of the worst and ended up with a '55 Mays for $6 and a '56 Mays for $10 (or vice versa). The '55 willgo nicely with the dirt cheap '55 Aaron and Williams I got from Kevin Savage. (Enterprising OBCers should contact me about making a deal. Pardon the shameless plug as I ask you to enable my addictive behavior). One other event on Saturday.... Sal Domino couldn't make the swap so I said wecould go out to my car so he could pull through my dupes. I said we'd meet at 2pm though Sal thought I meant 2pm EASTERN TIME. At 2:30, I found him at the snack bar and we straightened things out. Next year I will bring cheap watches to hand out to other out of towners so they wont worry about having to re-set their watch when they go back home. Saturday night was finally "the swap". Despite (because?) we had no directions, Jim Hatch and I made it there without getting lost. We nearly ended up at a birthday party for a 15 year old which was happening in anotherof the event rooms but the smell of pizza lured me away. I wheeled in my luggage cart full of cards and sat down at the pizza table and dug in. My first "real" pizza for about 5 or 6 weeks and no one to act as my conscience. Afterwards, I waddled over to my cards. As usual, I was ill prepared for the swap. One of these years, I will pull cards for people beforehand. I did try to make up for it by asking people for their lists then hammering them. Meanwhile, Ken was auctioning off hall of famers at the front of the room. To win a card, it had to be on your list, which meantI lost more often than not. Greg Conway's boy Wade was the official photographer. None of those shots will be bought by GQ, I can assure you, though that is not the fault of the camera or the photographer. Its just an observation that card collectors aren't known for their looks. When the evening finally came to a close, I ended up with far more cards than I started with, thanks to David's dupes boxes. I don't know how I got them all home. I'll start going through lists as soon as I can. In the meantime, please update yours. Sunday was the final day of the show. I bumped into Kent Goto and decided I'd spend his money instead of mine. We found numerous hits to his 61Topps set. In fact, I think I spent every last dollar Kent had with him. I think that made me the last OBCer at the show. I stuck around so I could help Kevin Savage pack up his stuff. Of course, I used the opportunity to look through his boxes and find some great stuff for me and others (Glenn - 68T Gates Brown, Josh -- 58 Hires Phillie (no tab), Peter - BazookaFrank Howard). I got back to the room around 6 or so. No more OBCers in Chicago. I had a donut and brownie on the way back to the room then ordered a seriously large pizza and stayed up all night watching dopey shows on cable... Note to self: don't end up alone again. I can't afford the calories. Monday I staggered out of the hotel. I nearly left my laptop bag (with laptop) in the lobby. Fortunately, another guest saw that it had fallen off the baggage cart. I left around 10:30 am and amazingly didn't get lost once!! Well, I made up for that (huh??) by eating all the way home. Andnow a week later, all the cards are spread out all over my house and I am finally sending out my report. I hope this has given everyone else a sense of what a National is like, at least from my perspective. Even though I spent FAR too much on cards, I went to Chicago to see old friends (Kent Goto, Doug Smith, Ken Morganti, David Kolenda, Joe Cerullo, Mike Hair, Jim Hatch, Mac Wubben, Chuck Paris, Ron Perry, Tim Newcomb, Rick Ellison, Joel Glickman, Mike Rich, Saint Al Cummings) and make new ones (Gary Mandell, Larry Gersbach, EEK, Mike Wierzbicki, Greg Conway, George Vrechek, Sal Domino). My apologies to anyone leftoff this list.. Thank you everyone who attended (and read this novel) for putting up with my compulsive behavior around food and cards. ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 01:17:38 EDT Subject: The National! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com WOW!!!!! What a great time we had in Chicago/Milwaukee! The National was made special by the fantastic OBC gathering and I was fortunate to meet eight more OBCer's in person that I had not met before! David and Joel were great local hosts and the gathering at David's house cannot be described adequately to have those of you that missed it understand what a wonderful time it was, "The Vault" is incredible!! Margaret and I had such a great time we didn't want to leave and actually just returned last night. Joel went out of his way to make sure I didn't get lost in the Windy City and even drove to Milwaukee to spend more time with us after the National! The "Swap Session" was another highlight that cannot be adequately described! Ken's and David's auction was amazing and cards were flying all over the room! I personally cannot believe the amount of cards I knocked off my wantlist! Everyone showed up with tons of dupes and the real fun was the amazing socializing with each other! Words cannot describe meeting an OBCer for the first time and realizing the feeling as if we have been life long friends! It has happen to me many times over the last decade and I am sure many of you newer OBCer's will experience this in the future! My most sincere thanks to everyone that shared the National with me and for the cards!!!!!! Mike Hair Margaret and I actually spent Saturday covering the entire National looking for Mother's Cookies cards and I managed to find seven or eight 1952/53 from my wantlist! Thanks Mike for helping me with that! I am proud to say I resisted buying several from "Jerkman" even a "Short Print"! Just another amusing note to describe mine and Margaret's trip to her parents home in Milwaukee after the National: We opted to stay at a hotel near the airport because be both had colds and Margaret's father is very ill and cannot afford to get a cold. The first night there we decided to charge our cell phones and Margaret got up in the middle of the night and managed to drop her phone in the only place with standing water, you guessed it the toilet! That was the end of her phone! On Thursday we woke and turned on the TV to discover President Bush was just landing at the Milwaukee airport across the street from our hotel. We watched the landing and then decided to leave for Margaret's parents house only to discover that our hotel parking lot was blocked by a the police because the President's motorcade would be passing our hotel. I told Margaret to take the camera out to a grassy spot by the road and try and get a picture. Sure enough the President passed by her about five feet away and waved and she did not take the picture! She didn't believe it was him! The next day Joel drove from Chicago to have lunch with us and even Phil showed up! This was probably one of the greatest vacations/trips Margaret and I have had in a long time! I know Mike has a theory that I may be in Charged of U.S. Customs travel but that is not true, don't listen to him! All the best, Rick and Margaret Ellison ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2 Items available Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 8:11:12 +0000 From: I have a pair of items which I'd like to find a good home for. I'm sure that can be provided by someone in OBC! They are: 1971 Baltimore Orioles yearbook 1971 Cleveland Indians yearbook Both of these items have been in my possession since, well, 1971 when I purchased them at Tiger Stadium. Condition is a bit on the worn side. If they were cards, I'd grade them VG. I'd rather these were in the hands of an Indians or Orioles fan then taking up space on my shelf. So its first come, first served! Have at them, OBCers! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yearbooks claimed Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:39:38 +0000 From: Just a quick note to let you all know that the 2 yearbooks I offered up earlier today have been claimed - Howard Morgan and Art Wainwright are to be their new daddies. ================= Subject: Not dead, just quiet Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:47:04 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, This is a quick update-and-thank-you note. First, thanks to Lynn Miller for a great trio of 50s hits, including the 59T #560 Aparicio AS! Status update: my cards and I are moving to Cambridge, occupying a new apartment starting September 1. I don't have the complete email / address / etc changes yet, but it well serves the purpose of reducing my commute from 3 hours per day to 45 minutes per day. Additional information will come as available ... OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 11:42:06 EDT Subject: Pricing help needed To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi everyone, Those of you who know me have probably heard a few of these stories before. The majority of you who have been around here long enough understand the way things work in this group. The rest of you please get your price guides and try to follow along. This is a short and somewhat random history of the last six years. Sometime in late June of 1996, I joined this group of collectors much like yourselves, not knowing what to expect. A short time later, I announced plans to visit my brother in NC and another friend in Florida and I decided to ask anyone if they'd like to meet up with me along the way. Two of the first people to respond were Eric Vaituzis and Joe Cerullo (who had joined about the same time as I did). They both lived close to each other, so we agreed to meet up at Joe's house for a swap session. One of the trades I remember was a trade with Joe that I made for a single T206 on Jim Montgomery's list - I gave him (63) cards from 1963 Topps for it. To this day, it has been the only card I've ever been able to send Jim Montgomery that he actually needed when it arrived. I send out a few packages to the membership (about 45 members at the time) including Geno Wagner. Several months go by and I'm driving home from another trip south visiting my brother. Eric V. says we can meet up with Joe Greco at a card shop near Shiremanstown, PA. Traveling through Virginia, I had a bit of car trouble. I didn't realize it at the time, but my alternator was gone. After I drove past the card shop, I pulled up at a grocery store to call Eric at the shop. There was no pay phone at the store, so I walked a little ways down and found one at a strip mall. Eric picked me up there, jump started my car and we drove to the shop. After that, we all went out to dinner at McDonald's where Eric gave Joe a Perez RC out of my dupes box. It was the same card he had sent me a few weeks earlier and I had upgraded. We decided it would be better for me to follow Eric south instead of going north towards home. My car was abandoned in Gettysburg after the battery didn't have enough juice left in it to power the little clock on the dashboard. The next morning, Eric blew off work, called a friend who told him the car should be charged up for a few minutes before attempting to drive it anywhere. So he took me on a 45 minute ride in his car, jumped mine and we drove it to a restaurant, where he bought me breakfast while the car charged up outside. I didn't get a chance to see the bill, but if you're trying to keep track, let's assume it was about $20. Following along so far? Good. Early 1997: I make my customary trip to JJ Teaparty in Boston and discover he's having a 25% off sale on everything in the store. I come across a box with about 300 toploaders marked at $1100. The toploaders are mostly stars from assorted years and a near high number run from 1966. I start a second set, since it's my birth year and I have most of the stars and high numbers, but I allow cards in any condition (my first set is Ex+). Ron Kingsbury meets me at an auction and tosses me about 300 commons. I figure the cost of the 66's justify what I paid for the box, so I send out most of the other cards to the group. For those of you scoring at home, some of the cards I sent out were 60, 64, 65 Koufax, 54 Ted #1, 64 Banks, 67 Mantle, 55, 65 Aaron, and similar cards. Geordie gets a 57 Campy that looks to be autographed on the back. Some time after that, I meet Brett Domue outside that same shop in Shiremanstown and he hands me a 52 Pafko. The membership is now around 60, but I try to get something out to everyone, including Geno, who still claims he has nothing on my list to send in return. Vegas 1997: I meet up with Joe Cerullo as well as several other OBC'ers for the first time in what is my first of several trips to Nevada. Mike Hair holds his annual Ribfest, but doesn't charge any admission. The only requirement is that you must be present to eat. He also organizes many other eVents that keep me busy so much during the weekend that I don't have much time to sleep. I may have given Mike a Carlton RC at one of these gatherings, so write that down. Sept 1997: A huge gathering in Ft. Washington. Joe Greco once again invites me to spend the weekend with him and his family. Eighteen members arrive at one point or another and there's a swap session in Joe's basement, where I hand over a few more cards on Geno's list. He offers his first born in return, but I'm still kinda upset he didn't name the kid after me, so I refuse. I get to meet Kevin Lohse, who has a terminal form of cancer. He has a drawing for several Stan Hack cards. No one seems too upset when Geno pulls his own name from the hat. Joe's hospitality saves me three nights room and board at a hotel. I don't recall handing him any cards for that. Membership in OBC has now reached 90, but I make a very good attempt to send something to everyone once again. I notice a few pesky APBA cards sitting around, so I assume Geno must've sent me more cards and I hit his list again. Geordie calls me up one night and says he has a card for my 1968 set. Now my list is at exactly one card: a Nolan Ryan RC. He doesn't want me to buy it at the upcoming Ft. Washington show, but I assure him I had no plans on driving 500 miles to purchase one card. It arrives a few days later, but is a little too rough for my set. I hold onto it until I get an upgrade. I chuckle to myself as I seal another envelope with Geno's name on it. Hope I haven't lost any of you yet. I'm almost done. Fast forward a few years to last week's National Convention. At the show, I spot a 1963 AL Bombers with Mantle for a measly $13 at Kurt Tourdot's table. Mike Hair also needs the card, but since he's a lot closer on his first set than I am on my second set, I buy the card and hand it over to him. I return home thinking I'll probably never see it that cheap again. I saw a few others in Chicago, but they were all in nicer condition and priced at $40 or more. Yesterday's mail brought a single card from Lynn Miller. He hoped it was still on my list by the tie it got to me from the Philippines. Turns out that it's the card I passed onto Mike at the show just a week ago! I guess I was wrong about not being able to find it cheaper. You can't beat getting it FREE! THANKS LYNN!! OK, so now that you've read this far and written down all the appropriate statistics, here's my question. Why are you holding that price guide? TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 13:47:24 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Spirit of OBC, dead or alive? From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, In November I will complete my fifth year in OBC, and I have to tell you that it certainly is more than a group of folks collecting cards. I have had members just literally pound some of my wantlists into submission, and I had no hope of ever coming close to hitting their lists with the same intensity. It took me three years to even hit Jim Montgomery's list, and I had to ask him to make sure he needed the card (thus ruining the surprise somewhat. I love the fact that I can go through someone's list at random and hit their needs. I don't need a card back in return; the satisfaction is already there. And it took time to realize that when others send stuff and I can't hit their lists, I just needed to be patient; their time would come. And in most cases, it has. But as I said, this group is more than just cards. I have seen tremendous outpourings of goodwill and charity. I saw members dig into their pockets to help Barry Clesh when his family wasn't going to have much of a Christmas. I saw this group donate enough money for Bill Wolpmann to purchase materials to move his handicapped kids to and from their van. And I have seen people send cards and money to help a member who has been very ill. I met Skel once in Tampa and brought him back to my house. We got out our dupes box and just went at it. I looked at the dupes in his box that I needed and was kinda embarrassed, since there were quite a few stars from the late 50s and early 60s. "What are you looking at, if you need them take them,'' he said. "They are called dupes for a reason.'' I was glad that Skel needed some of my stuff, but it was a fun evening just to socialize. I have received clocks and mini-bats in the mail from "anonymous" members. But I have also sent out copies of Ayn Rand books to a member looking for one (one of my more memorable treasure hunts, Steve R. - grin ). I am sure I have received more than I probably can ever give back. But I love that spirit, and it is in that spirit that I constantly pore over wantlists. I look forward to the day when I can go to a National or a Ribfest and meet so many more of the guys. And there is nothing neater than sending off a big package to an unsuspecting member, and imagining their reaction when they open it up. Oh, I have done my share of trading outside of OBC. I belong to Len's OCT group (the 10-trade requirement is over three months, not one), and have made some nice friends over there, too. And some of the members there are OBC members, too. I do the same thing I do here. I look over lists and send stuff out. I never ask a person, ""I have this, can you send me that?'' And in Len's group, many members do, but it is understood in that group that you initiate deals. I let others approach me, and then I try to even it out for them; I still send stuff out unsolicited. The only time I initiate a trade is if I am writing to someone off a newsgroup, Trading Bases or Vintage Card Traders, since I do not belong to the latter two groups. And that is fun too. So I guess you could say I have the best of both worlds. I can send out and receive cards at will in OBC, and can also make deals at will (or send out cards at will) in OCT. One thing I wouldn't trade is the friendships I have made here. I have only met a handful of folks in the group, but it is like getting letters from family whenever I read the thanks and ramblings posts. So I have rambled, and what does it all mean? I think it means the spirit of OBC is not dead by any means, it is quite alive. It might not have the vitality it did five years ago, but that is arguable. I would say that if it has slipped, it is negligible. To see guys like Joel and Joe C. return is great. I can't hit their lists right now, but I will someday. And vice versa I am sure. I tend to agree with Rick (TPLY) that there is no need to fix anything right now. And now, I tend to think I have rambling for much too long. Just my two cents (probably inflated to five). ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 19:44:42 EDT Subject: The Ramblings of a Rookie To: CardClctor@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com ken: i got the point of your email. while i cant say that my experience with prearranged trades has been as negative as yours, i do understand that is not the basis of the "obc" way of doing things. but i've been thinking about this, and not in a negative way. but really wondering, and it's a "rambling" i've been composing in my head ever since it seems that the folks who were handing out the most cards at national (at least at the cookout and saturday nite "auction") seemed to be those who had already finished their topps runs, or had want lists so hard to hit that their dupes boxes can't be expected to bring in the rare ones they still need in trade. you, dave kolenda, mike hair, steve rittenberg, al cummings, etc. don't get me wrong -- your generosity was beyond even my wildest expectations and incredibly appreciated, and i don't mean to indicate anything different. guys like me (and i think others) still need thousands of cards for our 52-whenever runs (i know i just broke through the 2000 needed barrier at national) , with many of them still not real tough to get. our dupes boxes are all we have to use to get the cards we need, by trade and/or the OBC what goes around, comes around method. or through purchase on ebay or conventions like national. my only point here is that i hope the obc veterans realize that us newcomers don't know any better (and maybe i should only speak for myself, since other newbies may not agree). until i joined obc, i assumed that i would need my dupes and ebay to finish my sets. no matter who has sent me anything in the past, or what they sent, with the exception of one person who didn't have a wantlist posted, i have always paid back equal value if i had it, or at least anything i could if i didn't. and i know i still owe. but it's still a trade, just not prearranged, and maybe not carefully tracked. i am beginning to subscribe to the goes around, comes around theory, slowly but surely. but not knowing if my dupes box will run out before i get all of the "easy" ones out of the way, i hope you veterans understand that passing them all out without a lot coming back, or not knowing what will come back, still seems like a risky venture. i can only go by what you all have told me, that it comes back in spades. so i will be sending out plenty to my obc pals without prearranged trades once i hit everyone i already owe. i only hope the new crop of members all subscribe to this, or it will be a long road to finishing the run! i just wanted you to understand a "rookie's" point of view, and ask that you be patient with us neophytes. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 22:16:20 -0400 (EDT) To: "Ramblings" Subject: And now for something totally unrelated... From: Neal Thomas ...now I have used OBCers for their wealth of knowledge abaout many things, so I am going to try again. Does anyone with kids have any experience with the Phonics programs that teach kids to read? Hooked on Phonics is the most popular, but there are others cropping up. Since these are pretty expensive, I would like to hear any experiences before dropping some big money on one of these. Thanks in advance. Now back to your regularly scheduled cardboard talk. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 01:09:48 EDT Subject: The GREAT HUNT Auction To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com This Friday and Saturday in Exton, Pa. Anyone else planning on going? Anything anyone has seen they want me to bid for them? Howard, The grizzled one, home from Maine! ================= Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:17:38 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Frank Thomas From: Lynn Miller I sent Frank a card and he sent me back a gracious note of thanks. But there was something that I thought I would share with you. He stated that he had just played in the Little League WS golf tournament on Aug 5th with Harmon Killebrew. Guess which card I sent him? How's that for irony. Completing his 59 set at about the same time he's playing golf with the player on the card. In fact he had even asked Harmon if he had any of his own cards and he said no. Pretty cool. Lynn ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 06:52:40 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Rick's 1955 list From: Neal Thomas Hey all- Due to an unforseen error in someone trying to find the final card, we are still one card short of completing Rick's '55 set. If anyone has a dupe of 1955 Topps Phil Rizzuto #189, we could put Rick's set to bed ASAP. Thanks for looking. ================= Subject: Sandbox FFL this year? Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 07:35:19 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, I noticed that Sandbox.com has their (free) fantasy football up and ready, does anyone else want to put together an OBC league? OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:04:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Sandbox FFL league From: "p_u_bil" Okay, I got a couple of responses already, so I've created a Sandbox http://www.sandbox.com/fullcontact/prot-doc/home.jsp League name: New York Wonderboys Password: hobbs It'll be for OBCers and a couple of other football friends. 10 teams, multi-list draft on Sept 3rd (for those who need the details). If there's enough interest, I suppose we can create another, but I remember that one was enough last year. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 20:31:36 EDT Subject: 100% OBC Set To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com I have been doing a lot of thinking about my collecting recently. Finding and joining OBC has been a great experience and has helped me along incredibly. Because I enjoy collecting the vintage cards so much, I thought of an interesting idea. Like Grant Rainsley and so many other have said, set collecting is addicting and after finishing one, you want to start two more. For this reason, I come to the masses. I have seen a few members with 100% OBC sets listed on their wantlist pages. Ideally, I would have chosen a set from the 70s to build solely through trading, but since I just started out and wanted to build sets backwards in order, I didn't. I would like to start a 100% OBC set pretty soon. Because the set will be built just by OBCers, I thought it would be neat, at least for me, to have OBCers choose the set. Since all OBCers most likely will not recommend the same exact set, I'd be interested in hearing everyone's opinions on which set I should build. If their is an overwhelming response for one set, then I will choose that one. My choices are pretty much wide open. There are the Topps sets from 54-60 and 62-67 that I haven't touched yet. I haven't done any Bowman or Fleer, with the exception of the 70 Fleer WS set. I understand that the star quality of most of these sets is much higher and that the high numbers are a bigger factor in the older sets. Having completed my 1980 Topps set this weekend, I am now 4 cards from completing my 1980-2002 Topps run. Looking at my current wantlists, I am about 1200-1300 cards, out of about 7000 cards, from completing sets from 1970-1979. Six of those ten sets are under 100 cards to go. The 1970-1972 sets still have large numbers to go because of the high number factor; I am still roughly 350 cards away from finishing the 72 Topps set. 1200-1300 cards isn't too bad though, because after removing the high numbers from that number, I have a relatively manageable list consisting off commons, minor stars, and then rookie cards and star cards. I thought trying for a 100% OBC set would be a lot of fun. It would probably take longer to complete than other sets because there is no buying on my part, but it would be fun to see how it grows solely through contributions from fellow collectors. If anyone has ideas, let me know. I'd love to hear them. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:18:54 EDT Subject: Re: cleaning hats To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com In a message dated 8/18/2002 10:42:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > Those aren't sweat stains--they are character. You should see the > hat I wear to play softball. It started off as deep blue (Red Sox), > but then turned to brown, and now it if this grayish/purple color. > I wouldn't change it for the world. > My fishing hat (lighter blue Duke cap) is about 10 different colors, > and both hold their shape, even at the bottom of a suitcase. I just > now consider them broken in. it had to happen--tipton baseball caps! ================= Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 22:57:39 EDT Subject: variation info To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i am looking for information or checklists for the white and gray back variations for 56, 59 and 60 as well as red and black backs for 52. are there similar variations for other years that i can get info on as well? any help would be appreciated. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: Subject: The Last National report Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 00:01:17 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" Procrastinating as usual, I have been enjoying everyone's reports on the National instead of writing my own. It was truly an epic gathering. For me itwas a 2 =BD hour drive from home. I had gotten a Priceline room in Oak Brook, a few miles south of the airport, where my wife Lori likes to shop :) We drove up separately so we could each do our thing during the day. This worked out well, except that (or BECAUSE, depending on point of view) neitherof us had any oversight on the other's spending!! Days were spent in leisurely strolls up and down the aisles of Rosemont- I tried to pace myself in buying so I'd have something left by Sunday. Evenings (two, anyway) were in the company of the greatest collector group in existence. Dave's barbecue was a treat, for the food, the company, our host, his wife, and their house. The basement playroom was truly breathtaking. After seeing it I arrived home with fiendish and hopeless plans to convert ourmiserable crawlspace into a card room :). Denise and Margaret kept Lori company while I did some raiding of various dupes boxes. Came away with a tonof 59s and 65s courtesy of several guys. Also lifted a Tipton Goudey LeftyGrove from Dave's box and several Obaks from Jim Hatch, including our common favorite of the 1910s, Duffy Lewis. (Al Cummings and Kent Goto had already presented me with serious groupings of 58-65s.) Lori and I arrived back at the room happy to have met so many great people. Saturday brought more treats at the show, where I found a bunch of M101 Sporting News cards for my set, among many other things. Saturday night was the mega-swap session, where I relieved a bunch of guys of a bunch of cards; among the many highlights were a PCL trifecta (Obak, Zeenut, and Mother's Cookie) from Rick Ellison. Gave out a bunch too- altogether too many to keeptrack of comings and goings. Our generous host for the swap, Kevin Savage,stopped by for a while and chewed the fat (in the form of cheese, mostly).The evening climaxed with the "auction" with no minimum bids-in fact, no bids at all. Ken's auctioneering style is a thing of beauty that must be seen to be believed. I left delighted and exhausted. Sunday I went back to the show for about 3 hours and bought a few more niceitems, including a T207 Broadleaf and an E96 Lajoie. But alas, I saw no one from OBC- I guess most everyone was on the road. Lori and I had an early supper in Oak Brook and headed on back home. What a weekend!!!!!!!!!!! This was my first, and I hope not last, encounter with Sal Domino, Earl Kilbourn, Al Cummings, Rick Ellison, George Vrechek, Mike Hair, Larry Gersbach, Mac Wubben, Mike Wierzbicki, Yaz Conway and his very cool son Wade. And it was great to see Ken, Steve, Dave, Jim, Kent, Jeff Sackmann, Gary Mandell, Chuck Paris, Ron Perry, Trader Doug Smith, Joe Cerullo, and Joel Glickmanagain. Next year we'll set a new record in Atlantic City! And I hope every year after Tim N ================= Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 02:20:56 EDT Subject: Leap of Faith To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Greetings everyone, My last note to this server may have been somewhat cryptic to some of you. The message I was trying to deliver is that you can't put a book value on some of the things you get from this group. I think if you spend your time trying to keep track of who sends you what and how much the cards are 'worth', you're going to be wasting a lot of valuable time and effort. You'd be better off randomly selecting someone's list and sending a few cards their way. You never know, you might just make their day, week, whatever. I must admit, I've saved some of the thanks I've gotten on my hard drive. Reading them again always cheers me up and does wonders for my low self esteem ;-) What's the book value on a thank you note for easing someone's mind after a tough day at work? Recently, one of our own members discovered tumors on his brain that left him unable to express himself to the outside world. A few of us helped him finish off his 1959 set. Still more of us have nearly completed his 1955 set. There's something to be said for 'the healing power of cardboard', as the thank you note from his wife reads in part: <> How could you not want to be a part of that? I may be old fashioned, but what I got out of the effort can't be found in any price guide. When I first joined OBC, I had no real idea what to expect. I had some dupes that were just collecting dust, so I sent off a few cards just to see what would happen. I never tried to keep track of what I sent and/or to whom, nor did I ever care to become that organized. I was still collecting sets in Ex+ condition despite the warnings that most of the group collected cards in VG or worse shape. Nevertheless, I took a chance that this group was something special. A few days later, I got my first cards in the mail. None of the packages came from anyone I had sent cards to. Originally, I had started the 1960 and 1961 Topps sets almost as a joke, because I had maybe 50 or 60 commons as a kid. After I became a member, completing these sets became an attainable goal. As the months went by, I started finishing off a lot of the sets on my list through both OBC and from buying some at local shops and shows. Not all of the cards I got in the mail were commons either. Some of the ones I remember specifically were a Tony Perez RC, a Steve Carlton RC... even a beat up Ryan rookie came in the mail. Eventually I had to start new sets to keep my wantlist from becoming blank. Most of these were older sets from the 50's which, until that point in time, I had considered to be a dream. In fact, I had sent away most of my 52 and 53 Topps cards, since I'd *never* collect those. I was wrong. I did finally succumb to the lower grade requirements, since getting the early 50's cards in nicer shape would've required lottery jackpot winnings I didn't have. Hey, I can always upgrade. Eventually, I even started second sets, since collecting them in lower grade was actually even more fun the second time around. I've lost count of the number of times I got home from the card shop/show and opened a letter containing a card I just bought that day ...or just last week and didn't update my list, etc... Why am I telling you all this? Because while I've had to go out and purchase a lot of the tougher, more expensive cards for my collection, you never know what'll show up in the mail the next day. The new guys in the group have probably read the FAQ and been told that what goes around, comes around. However a lot of them may not have seen that aspect of OBC first hand yet. I can't speak for any of the other veterans, but I'm sorry I let this happen. As my wantlist shrank and the group got bigger, my activity (like a lot of the other veterans I'd say) became less and less. Everyone can participate in the group at their own level. You don't have to send out 150 packages a month and hit absolutely everybody on the roster. Most of the senior (not in age) members of the group aren't even in OBC for the cards any more. I brought 4000 cards with me to Vegas this year. Almost all the guys who showed up there have been in OBC for as long as I have. Not ONE of those cards I brought saw the light of day... and not because I was hesitant to give any of them away. Anyone who saw me at The National knows I have no problem with handing stuff out. Apparently my value to the group isn't determined by any number Dr. Buckett can put on cards I give out. On the flip side to this, as my outbound activities slowed down, the number of inbounds also dropped sharply. I think this is only partially due to the toughness of my wantlist. There's still plenty of cards on it that won't break the bank in low grades... honest A lot of people will read the thanks server and see who's taking the time to look at lists, so they take a peek at that person's list. While not everyone is active in the group all the time, imagine 130 people looking at your wantlist? My advice to those newbies looking for some inbounds: send a few outbounds. Most likely you'll get something from where you least expect it... and probably not any of the places you send to. I realize this requires a leap of faith that you'll get back what you put into it, but you also should look past your mailbox and see what else you get back. You're giving up a few cards that would otherwise sit in your dupes box instead of making someone else happy. I'm not saying run right out and put 5 Mantle cards in the mail. Instead, try to make someone's day and chances are it'll happen to you too. Then repeat the cycle. On the same token, I urge the veterans of the group to rekindle the old spirit that has been missing from the group for a while now. It's time to dust off the old dupes boxes and practice what we preach. There's new lists out there that should fit in well with those low numbered commons you've never been able to get rid of before. Plus anyone who's sent out a mass mailing before knows it's very therapeutic. It takes your mind off of things while your doing it - then you get to sit back and enjoy the satisfaction of a job well done after the packages arrive at their destinations. Plus, if you have a tough wantlist to hit (or none at all) it forces the newer guys to reciprocate some other way. Hitting someone else at random is one good way. I don't think anyone who 'gets' what I've been talking about here or who understood the way things work in this group is worried about "value for value" trading. Before this stretches into a two-day read, I'll end this here. Besides, I've got some puffies to get into the mail soon ;-) TAYL, Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Attention Tigers fans (or Yearbook collectors) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 7:50:40 +0000 From: Ever won something on Ebay, and wondered "How did I get that for that price?" Last night I picked up a pair of Tiger Yearbooks, one from 1966 and the other from 1969 for which I paid the princely sums of $1.25 and $2.36 respectively. I'm keeping the '66 for myself, but I already have a '69 and would therefore like to pass this extra one on to someone in the group. So here's the deal. I'd rather not do this on a first come, first served basis, just so that everyone who would like it has a chance. If you are interested, contact me (before Sunday) with a guess of how many home runs will be hit in MLB games on Sunday. Nearest to the mark wins the 1969 Detroit Tigers Yearbook. If its a tie, I'll think of something.... Just one final note. The dealer that I purchased from does not ship overseas, so these items are going to my Dad in Arizona, who we will be visiting in late September. Therefore, if you win the yearbook, it won't actually be with you until late Sept/early Oct. OK? Let the guessing commence!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Next Fort Washington show Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:13:39 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The next Fort Washington show is Sept 27-29. Seems like I have not met most of the people who attended the East Coast National so maybe they can be pursuaded to come south for this show. Here's a link to the show. http://www.phillyshow.org/nextshow.htm ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: If you like/collect '51 topps, you *must* check this out Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:00:56 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" I don't do this much, but you have to check out ebay item# 1853177872 I don't know what to make of it. Anyone ever seen anything like this ================= To: "Sean McGowan" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If you like/collect '51 topps, you *must* check this out Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:34:45 +0000 From: Are those genuine reproduction rips and tears too? ============================================================ From: "Sean McGowan" Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 11:00:56 -0400 To: "ramblings" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] If you like/collect '51 topps, you *must* check this out I don't do this much, but you have to check out ebay item# 1853177872 I don't know what to make of it. Anyone ever seen anything like this To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: regular availables and dealer scum availables :) Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:40:10 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" My office area is nearly in order, after only 2+ years! It is pretty So, to celebrate, I want to get rid of stuff that I *know* will find a home. Here goes: regular Available - just ask: 1959 Curt Flood #353 1961 Curt Flood #438 (If anyone has an extra '60,'63,'70, or '71 Flood, I'm putting together a curt flood set, and I still need those) 1962 Johnny Logan #573 (pencil marks on the front) 1971 '70 NL HR ldrs Bench/Williams/Perez (water stains) 1970 Fleer WS #14 (1916 WS) 1972 Red Sox rookies #79 (cooper/garman) 1980(?) Fleer Stickers (1972 WS) Now, not so regular availables... If you want one of these, just let me know that you can send *any* 2 cards from my regular topps wantlist. Normally I don't ask for anything, but this is my cut at "dealer scum" stuff. Remember, any 2 cards from my regular topps list. Just check with me first, so you know that the card is still here. I know these are real whoppers, but my list is mostly starts, and high numbers... cards you don't always throw on the waiver wire, so if you have them sitting around, here is your chance to use them. Also, if you want me to send the card to someone else who really needs it, let me know that too. Now, check those 1961 #290 Musial 100-0 lr centering, crease across face, good color 1964 #331 AL Bombers Maris/Cash/Mantle/Kaline scuff mark on the front above maris and cash 3 1952 commons :) #354 Hatfeild corners clipped of, tape marks and just a tiny bit of paper on his cheek #366 Madison actually a very nice looking card, but there is a small chunk of the upper right border missing (border only) #380 Koshorek absolutely beautiful card! neatly trimmed too! Sean- OBC ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: binders Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 13:46:03 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" I just counted and I have 120+ binders (about 2.5 inches wide at the in my attic. I figure it will take me years to use 20 or 30, so if you need just let me know. I plan to be at the Boston sports collectors show in Ma. in November, or you can drop by anytime. I don't expect they will all go away, so just remember they are here if you are ever in the neighborhood. ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 17:20:34 -0400 Subject: card show From: Bob Saxton Does anyone know dates for the next baseball card show in Cleveland, GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: obc grade 56 Mantle Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:52:57 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/68793652?aucview0x23 I don't know if anyone has ever used Yahoo auctions, but this one may go for a reasonable price if not that many people see it. John C. Collins ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fw: Recent Acquisitions -- Mike Wheat Cards Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:53:42 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" New Page 1I found a few pre-war beaters here for team collectors (Phillies,Tigers, Indians, Van Lingo Mungo). Sorry I cant afford to buy them for you at this time. However, if you want, I'll order them and send them to you so you can save on the HIGH ($6.00) shipping charge. Mike is already holding some auction lots for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Wheat's Auctions To: srittenberg@broderick.org Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: Recent Acquisitions -- Mike Wheat Cards We have just added many new items to our website. Included are large groupings E92 Dockman,E121, 1952 Bowman Football (large) and 1955 Topps Football (AllAmericans), and a nice selection of other cards as well. Perhaps the highlight is a group of 3 of the extremely scarce Jones, Keyser, and Arras cabinet cards. Many collections have never even seen one of these. Click on the links below to visit our website. Mike Wheat RECENT ACQUISITIONS (to TABLE OF CONTENTS) RECENT ACQUISITIONS (to beginning of listings) <<< Subject: Happy 63rd Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 18:37:07 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" To Mr. Carl Michael Yastrzemski........ He's almost as old as St. Al! ================= To: Subject: back color variation question Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:31:04 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Always glad to chime in about variations. Andy Cook had a site on variations in our OBC "library" page which has apprently expired. In general the back color variations are: 1952 1-80 red or black 131-190 white or gray (very scarce) 1953 see my article in the "Library" regarding 2nd run white or black printing 1954 1-50 Gray back Canadians (Scarce) 1956 1-100 white or gray(tougher), 101-180 gray or white(tougher) 1959 199-286 gray or white 1960 375-440 gray or white 1962 110-196 green tint and others Many other variations in most all these sets as well. See second article onvariations in Library page George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 19:43:52 -0700 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] back color variation question From: Thanks George! Andy's site is still up. just saw it last week, but he did not cover the same things you just did. OBC A Wealth of Knowledge Big Al in Seattle On Thu, 22 Aug 2002 20:31:04 -0500 George Vrechek Always glad to chime in about variations. Andy Cook had a site on variations in our OBC "library" page which has apprently In general the back color variations are: 1952 1-80 red or black 131-190 white or gray (very 1953 see my article in the "Library" regarding 2nd run white or black printing 1954 1-50 Gray back Canadians (Scarce) 1956 1-100 white or gray(tougher), 101-180 gray or 1959 199-286 gray or white 1960 375-440 gray or white 1962 110-196 green tint and others Many other variations in most all these sets as well. See second article on variations in Library page George Vrechek Yahoo! Groups Sponsor href="http://rd.yahoo.com/M=231282.2213029.3686936.2152219/D=egroupweb/S=1705123920:HM/A=1190491/R=0/*http://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/click?lid=41000000000411527"> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:13:21 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] back color variation question To: vrechek@ameritech.net, Smartalecx@aol.com From: amcook93@aol.com I added George's list of color variations to the error list I have. The link http://members.aol.com/amcook93/etopp.html ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] back color variation question Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:21:14 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" My two cents: The 1952 and 1956 back color variations are the most popular ones but also the most difficult and expensive. I chickened out on both of these. There are only a few of us working on the 1959 / 1960 back color variations. I've found it a neat challenge to go out and find grey back commons. And when bidding on ebay for the stars, a few times I had to ask what the back color was. But I am now complete with both my 1959 & 1960 back color variation sets, thanks to OBC. The 1962 green tints is a set for masochists. I've learned that some of the distinctions are very subtle, especially with the Babe Ruth cards. And even long time collectors, like Mike Rich, think they completed their setyears ago only to find out a wise guy like me finds holes. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: cracking card slabs Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:38:55 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://www.seanet.com/~brucemo/card_articles/deslab.htm Interesting article on the web I found about ways to break open graded cardslabs from various manufacturers. Also, take the link to this guy's homepage. He has what may be the most extensive guide on how to accurately grade vintage cards that I've ever seen. John C. Collins ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Apologies Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:12:27 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Whoops. I did not realize that forwarding the link to Mike Wheat's page would result in such a large file size. In the future, I'll try to rememberto only put in the URL or at least I will check the size of the outgoing message. I'm really sorry for any hassles caused. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1957 Topps FB checklist Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 00:50:39 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Is someone looking for one of these? Brett Domue maybe? Mike Wheat has one in his current auction. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 Tiger Yearbook contest Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 8:05:22 +0000 From: Just a reminder that if you want the opportunity to own the yearbook which commemorates the greatest team in the history of baseball, my beloved 1968 Tigers, all you have to do is guess how many home runs will be hit in the majors on Sunday. Winner receives a 1969 Tiger Yearbook. Follow the antics of Denny, Al, Willie, Norm, and all the rest of the gang! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 19:31:07 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Major League Debut From: Lynn Miller > At 2 AM this morning, Stanley Pascual Miller, literally put his mom on > her back with his entrance. Then there was some wailing that sounded > awfully close to "Dad, did you get a good deal on that 52 Mantle yet!! > And no SCP yet either!!!!" Yikes, another future OBCer! Doctors > and nurses obviously had no clue. The 6lb 9oz slugger is home with > mom and dad and all are doing well. Time to get some sleep. Lynn ================= Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 14:30:51 EDT Subject: interesting readers poll To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i know many of you are not fans of Beckett (to put it mildly), but i thought you might find this interesting. gm In last week's edition of the Beckett.com Hobby News, we asked our readers to comment further on whether or not the baseball hobby would survive another MLB strike. We received many articulate, passionate responses. Overall, most readers expressed that they felt the hobby would survive, but would also definitely take a hit. Among those disheartened by the threat of an impending strike, a somewhat startling number of collectors apparently plan on turning to vintage baseball collecting. Many already have. Although the apparent strength of this trend was a bit of a surprise to us at Beckett, maybe it shouldn't be. A lot of hobbyists feel that baseball has lost some of its purity, and a nostalgic return to simpler times and to childhood memories of collecting just makes ================= Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 21:39:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Possible Virus on the Loose From: "alcattle" --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., Traderdoug@a... wrote: > These blank emails with attachments are also being sent from > treasurer@o... and advisory@o... - Doug Still more showing up. Today I got one from Mike D. Mr Bareesta. 118K blank note. Update that virus hunter guys and gals!! Big Al in Seattle ================= To: Subject: RE: 68 Tigers- greatest team? Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 23:05:36 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Sorry Linda, I had to share this with the group. I only have 2 words to say: You may counter with : ...but what the hey... -----Original Message----- From: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com [mailto:Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com] Sent: 23 August 2002 19:23 To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com Subject: 68 Tigers- greatest team? hi- this is Linda- in regard to the 68 Tigers being the greatest team- i am sorry but the 1961 Yankees would have hammered them into oblivion- Mantle Maris would have demoralized them and sent them packing back to the Motor city after the 1st game in Yankee Stadium!- Oh and my guess for # of home runs in the contest is 16. thanks Linda ================= Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 19:36:02 -0400 (EDT) To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com (Glenn Codere) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 68 Tigers- greatest team? From: Originaleek@webtv.net I am compelled to enter the home run guessing contest since reading Linda's post. My guess is 28. It would be 31 if double headers and "Smokey" were still around. And Linda, fans are supposed to say their team is the greatest, besides if it wasn't for all the other lesser teams, who would the Yankees have to beat? ================= Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2002 22:06:43 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: National From: Originaleek@webtv.net The Third & Final Chapter: Saturday! As Big Al already reported, our day at the National started with Sal and I walking back and forth in the CTA parking lot while Al watches in amusement. I know Al was somehow behind all the extra walking in the lot so that Sal and I would be tired and walk "Al speed" from the lot to the Convention Center. Once at the show, we all split up and I head back to a table I hit on friday, for a few more treasures. I thought about getting a few autographs, but one look at the chaos in the area and I quickly changed my mind. Somewhere in my table travels I finally find Kurt Tudot's & run into Greg "Yaz" Conway. Kurt gave me the standard OBC discount plus $10 off on some cards I needed, so I got great deals and met another OBCer. Nice stop I'd say. Eventually I met up with Al again & we make a last stop at Kevin Savage's table where I got a few more very good deals. Since I am married to a Jew, any expenditures are justified as long I can tell her "but, it was on sale" or "hey, I got a great deal." We met Sal as per our plan and headed back to the Hotel before going to the Pizza, BS, Swap & Auction Get Together. Now in spite of the fact that we were bereft of Count Sal, the ever optimistic St. Al was very confident that we could eventually find the location for the swap. I, however, stand on tradition and we are soon sailing along the freeway....in the wrong direction. I could have swore I heard Sal yelling from an over head aircraft "turn around, turn Well, we eventually find the Hotel and eventuallyer the Swap room. Lots of pizza and pop and cards to swap. Pretty poetic, huh? I meet Greg's son Wade, aka "Man with the camera". The cardboard is changing hands faster then a poor paying dude ranch, and way too fast for me to know for sure who gave me what. (Watch the Thanks postings for my feeble attempt to match the OBCer to the proper cards.) The highlight of the evening had to be Ken Morganti's free-bay auction. The only rule was that cards you "bid" on had to be cards you needed, but even that was on the honor system. I got a Kaline and a couple other cards, and everybody got something, even a few folks who won without bidding. It helped that Dave Kolenda was in the middle of the room tossing cards with several of his hands at once. As things were winding George Vrecheck arrived bringing the number of OBCers I met at the National to an even twenty. George gave us all a poster with a bunch of HOFers posing for a group shot. Unfortunately, I think I left mine in my chair at the Best Western, the only downer of the week-end. Words alone cannot fully describe the experience of my first National, so I will let my actions speak as well.......next year in New Jersey. ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 12:39:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Possible Virus on the Loose From: "jmoleta30341" I have received several of these as well - Mac, Brian Dwyer, HeyAC & this morning Lorin (and I have received several from non-OBCers as well.) Email size is usually around 120-125K, but aside from a title that changes each time I get it, the body of the email is blank. Anyone heard more info about this? --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., Lynn Miller wrote: > I have been told by another member they received an email from me > an attachment "To Class". Apparently a worm virus is at work here. I > have virus protection software on my PC that I run everyday and have not > detected any so don't know how this happened. But don't open any > from me with attachments, I generally don't send attachments. Just > completely delete it from your system if you do get one. This > from your "trash" also. Immediately. Sorry if this causes any > for anyone. > Lynn ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 09:25:04 EDT Subject: Hunt Auctions update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Oh man, are prices really high! How about these? 1960 Fleer set: vg/nm: $2,600 (estimate hi: $1,500) 1970 set ex/nm(est; hi $750) Sold $1150 Lot of 1965 Topps; vg/nm (barely!) est; hi $375, sold: $500 1959 Fleers Ted Williams set esvg/nm: est: high $375 Sold $7753 x 1953-54 Briggs Meat cards; Mantle, Hodges, Rizzuto; est: $600, Sold: $1300 275 x 1952 Topps vg/nm hi estimate> $2,500, Sale: $11,500 GONG!!!! 64 x 52 Large Bowman footballvg/nm (no!) est $750, SALE: $1500 1949 Bowman partial set; est $1250, Sale $4,000 1948 partial set est $1,000, Sale: $1400 Oh well, certainly not the OBC attitude flowing here! Had a good time with Kimball, new member and great guy. Guess I will go back today for laughs, and it is raining! ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:02:36 EDT Subject: A couple of questions To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I will start sending out cards this weekend from last weekend's list of availables. Keep an eye out if you asked for something. I don't have many resources related to newer card research. I was wondering if anyone knows if any card exists of Rico Brogna in a Red Sox uniform. As some of you know, we have met Rico a couple of times through a friend of my wife. Given his history (named after Rico Petrocelli), I always hoped he would end up with my Red Sox and we were disappointed when his stay was so short. Anyway, I would love a card of him in that uniform if such a thing exists. On an entirely different matter, I also know very little about non-sports cards; but I have a bunch that I would love to trade for equal value in vintage baseball. Anyone interested in 1980 Star Wars Cards (The Empire Strikes Back), Spec Sheet Antique (Hot Rod) Cards (I have three of them and they are beat up - don't know year), E.T. - The Extra Terrestrial Cards - 1982, Raiders of the Lost Ark Cards - 1981. I have quite a few on the last two sets and they are in great shape (Ex-NM). Can anyone tell me anything about any of these cards? Like I said, I know nothing, so you guys are the only ones I can trust not to take advantage of me. Oh yeah, I also have a few football cards I would love to trade or give away, again for vintage baseball. Older ones are vg-ex, newer ones ex-nm, Here is a list of those: 1975 Topps: 106 1976 Topps: 8 (Charley Taylor) 1977 Topps: 429 (Calvin Hill) 1979 Topps: 31 91 133 175 236 416 476 1983 Fleercorp: 55 1984 NFLPA: 9 375 1990 Topps: 121 123 125 129 1990 Score: 350 550 1991 Score: 181 (Monk) 1991 Upper Deck: 1(Montana) 1991 Pro Line: 267 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:08:43 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com I have gotten these e-mails from about 10-12 OBCers. Yesterday afternoon, I got one at this e-mail address from Dave Kolenda. Last night, I got my first one with a text message. It was sent to smart1853@aol.com, my old e-mail address. It came from John Storman with this message: Subj: A nice game Date: 8/23/02 5:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: jstorman2001@yahoo.com (jstorman2001) To: smart1853@aol.com File: rock.zip (43208 bytes) DL Time (57600 bps): < 1 minute Hi,This is a very nice game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would like it. It was unusual for it to have a text message and also for it to come to me at smart1853, which has been off the OBC site for about 2 weeks now. I've also gotten messages much larger in size than this 40+K ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:25:28 EDT Subject: Update on the 100% OBC set To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com First off, thank you to all that chimed in with opinions for my 100% OBC set. The recommendations seemed to be centered on 1960-1965 Topps sets. I got the most responses for 1964 Topps and 1965 Topps, followed by 1962 Topps, and 1960 Topps. Before I put the question out to members, I considered the sets that I would choose, and 1964 and 1965 were my top two choices as well. I have decided to go with the 1964 Topps set for two reasons: the Mantle factor and the high number factor. In the 64 set, there are only two Mantle cards. He appears on a combo card and then his regular card. He is not on any of the Leader cards, as is the case with 65. There are 4 Mantle cards in the 65 set. All other stars seem to have the same number in each set. As for high numbers, there are no real tough highs in the 64 set, except for the Niekro RC. With 65, there are a number of SP cards. Also, 1964 Topps doesn't have any real tough rookies. 1965 has a few Hall of Famers, but I have been told that most of them are readily available anyway. So, I will now begin my new 1964 Topps set. I figure that after more of my 70s sets are knocked off, I will begin the 1965 Topps set, too. Thanks again to all who helped with the decision and to those that contribute over time. Brian Dwyer ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 10:31:09 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" This is not a new virus. Much has been wrote about this over the past few months. I and I'm sure others have received e-mails stating that we have sent infected e-mail. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT NO E-MAIL FROM ME IS INFECTED. Please read the following to get an understanding of how this virus works. Just because iithe e-mail says from: John Doe, does not mean it is from John Doe.Chances are better then 95% it is not from John Doe. It takes a few min. to run a program to check for and clean out the Klez. virus. This can be obtained at W32.Klez.H@mm is a modified variant of the worm W32.Klez.E@mm. This variant is capable of spreading by email and network shares. It is also capable of infecting files. Removal tool Symantec has provided a tool to remove infections of all known variants of W32.Klez. click below http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: toppsrun368@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose I have gotten these e-mails from about 10-12 OBCers. Yesterday afternoon, I got one at this e-mail address from Dave Kolenda. Last night, I got myfirst one with a text message. It was sent to smart1853@aol.com, my old e-mail address. It came from John Storman with this message: Subj: A nice game Date: 8/23/02 5:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: jstorman2001@yahoo.com (jstorman2001) To: smart1853@aol.com File: rock.zip (43208 bytes) DL Time (57600 bps): < 1 minute Hi,This is a very nice game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would like it. It was unusual for it to have a text message and also for it to come to me at smart1853, which has been off the OBC site for about 2 weeks now. I'vealso gotten messages much larger in size than this 40+K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , "David Kolenda" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 18:42:39 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" I wrote to Ramblings a couple of months ago about this virus and what David says is correct. If you have it, you can get rid of it. If you have a virus protection running you will not get the virus but you will still get emails from various places (supposedly) with either nothing but space or funny little notes. If you look at the properties and source of the emails you will find yet another (usually familiar) address as the sender but that address is also a fake. Whoever has the virus doesn't know it. It roots around in their address book and grabs info from there to put in the email it sends One interesting point. About two weeks ago I switched my email address and blocked mail to my old one. I have yet to get a Klez email at my new address. I was getting a lot of them, (a couple weekly). If you have changed your address book and put in my new address, then you probably don't have the Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: David Kolenda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose This is not a new virus. Much has been wrote about this over the past fewmonths. I and I'm sure others have received e-mails stating that we have sent infected e-mail. PLEASE BE ASSURED THAT NO E-MAIL FROM ME IS INFECTED. Please read the following to get an understanding of how this virus works. Justbecause iithe e-mail says from: John Doe, does not mean it is from John Doe. Chances are better then 95% it is not from John Doe. It takes a few min. to run a program to check for and clean out the Klez. virus. This can be obtained at W32.Klez.H@mm is a modified variant of the worm W32.Klez.E@mm. This variant is capable of spreading by email and network shares. It is also capable of infecting files. Removal tool Symantec has provided a tool to remove infections ofall known variants of W32.Klez. click below http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html Good Luck ----- Original Message ----- From: toppsrun368@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Possible Virus on the Loose I have gotten these e-mails from about 10-12 OBCers. Yesterday afternoon, I got one at this e-mail address from Dave Kolenda. Last night, I got my first one with a text message. It was sent to smart1853@aol.com, my olde-mail address. It came from John Storman with this message: Subj: A nice game Date: 8/23/02 5:13:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: jstorman2001@yahoo.com (jstorman2001) To: smart1853@aol.com File: rock.zip (43208 bytes) DL Time (57600 bps): < 1 minute Hi,This is a very nice game This game is my first work. You're the first player. I hope you would like it. It was unusual for it to have a text message and also for it to come tome at smart1853, which has been off the OBC site for about 2 weeks now. I've also gotten messages much larger in size than this 40+K To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 22:23:28 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: incoming thanks and more AVAILABLES From: Jerry Coker Incoming thanks this week and some more availables below. Some of the availables were cards unclaimed from my previous waiver wire: Thanks to: John Storman - for (17) 57's and (2) 66's! Thank you John!! Al Crotte - for - (2) higher # 70's, (4) 75's, (2) 79's, (20) 80's, and a bunch of _UV_ 82-83 Topps! Thank you Al!! 1954 Topps: 18 54 111 116 1958 Topps: 385 469 1961 Topps: 5 13 31 39 54 55 60 69 72 73 74 82 195 508 1963 Topps: 11 13 19 21 23 24 26 29 31 35 38 41 48 51 55 60 61 62 64 67 68 70 91 100 104 108 109 116 122 134 140 147 149 156 157 160 162 166 168 170 171 175 177 182 187 192 207 268 280 298 1967 Topps: 81 1969 Topps: 14 19 44 45 1970 Topps: 4 15 28 32 35 41 49 73 76 77 78 79 84 86 94 98 106 116 117 122 123 131 132 143 155 161 162 165 173 187 233 259 266 267 269 276 283 284 287 291 293 294 295 298 302 316 319 327 337 345 351 356 385 431 1971 Topps: 6 13 24 28 32 33 42 48 86 89 101 111 121 130 200 376 466 1972 Topps: 7 27 31 63 83 126 151 193 205 1973 Topps: 6 13 14 18 21 37 52 74 76 83 88 111 112 118 128 141 154 155 157 163 173 182 186 189 214 229 281 386 452 1974 Topps: Starter Set 1975 Topps: 122 154 367 394 432 606 629 635 643 1976 Topps: 84 1977 Topps: 3 8 13 14 17 19 88 93 108 153 179 200 266 384 430 471 507 529 535 542 552 555 576 585 594 597 599 605 612 613 617 625 628 646 649 1978 Topps: 33 228 249 252 329 346 443 484 485 553 621 624 628 636 643 1979 Topps: 7 17 23 37 59 80 89 125 130 133 167 177 234 241 247 253 254 268 269 303 336 357 361 378 386 402 405 406 408 437 439 467 468 479 484 486 516 522 533 588 671 677 690 1980 Topps: 43 102 114 166 187 193 197 198 199 213 277 434 486 489 491 507 565 566 592 594 602 620 653 660 680 683 706 722 Jerry Coker Campus Information Technology Partnerships The University of Georgia ================= Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 23:04:22 EDT Subject: Trips Trips To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - As most of you know I work for U.S. Customs and will be part of the new Agency under Homeland Security. I was called by our Headquarters office on Friday and I have been asked to be a part of a team to travel to Hong Kong, Singapore and Japan. I may travel to all three or perhaps one of the three. I will probably have more details next week. I will probably be traveling sometime in October. I can't really discuss the details of the trip but is related to antiterrorist matters which I have been working on since 9/11. I do hope to have some time off while traveling and I know some of you may be interested in Japanese baseball cards. If I get a chance I will try and pick some up. Does anyone (Rob) have locations or shops I look for in any of these countries? I will probably be working in the larger seaport areas and will try to tell you more specifics next week. Does anyone have any other recommended sites to visit in any of the three locations I named? Margaret is hoping to be meeting me somewhere for at least a week and perhaps I can take extra time off after my work is completed. I look forward to hearing from any of you on this! Another Baseball Quote: "There is always some kid who may be seeing me for the first time. I owe him my best." -------Joe DiMaggio Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: availables Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 08:35:33 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner"

OBCers --
I need to test my Earthlink upgrade.  The last version wouldn't let me send to the yahoo servers for some reason, so I'll see if this one can do it.  Here's some availables to see if I get a response!
1963:  100
1966:  8, 32, 33, 56, 68, 84, 98, 127, 157, 173, 186, 188, 192, 207, 211, 236, 245, 267, 301
1967:  89, 204, 395, 412, 442
1970:  17, 70, 100, 166, 232, 288, 305, 308, 407, 410, 425, 445, 454, 457, 490, 493, 567, 632
1978:  530 (Winfield)
1979:  358 (Trammell, I have 8 for some reason so take a bunch!)
Take Care, Geno
Geno Wagner
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.
================= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 11:43:50 EDT Subject: another 62 variation/error card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Although it hasn't been mentioned yet, the group at the National swap session discovered another 62 variation or error card. Look at the 62 Topps #55, ERA Leaders. With Don Mossi on it, shouldn't it be EAR leaders? The real loser n the deal was Juan Pizzaro who missed being on the front of the card due to the extra space needed for Mr. Mossi. Rest well, ================= To: Subject: Auction snipers Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:10:50 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Today is my last day off for a long while....and I thought that I would spend the weekend beefing up my dupes box and hitting a few lists..... I had over a dozen eBay auctions going...didn't win a single one yet...and instead of my customary cheapness, I was actually trying to spend green money on these...ummm, I noticed a disturbing trend. The last three auctions I have been sitting in front of my PC for the ending, monitoring the time remaining, and "eyeing" my competition. Each one I lost with 10 seconds or less to go, by someone who was not in the previous bid history....as a matter of fact, I would have stupidly spent quite a bit more on this particular lot than I intended, if it were not forthis last second sniper, but I think I got the last laugh by "knowing" that some sniper was going to have to top my bid in the final seconds anyway..... So, I can live without those lots that have been sniped away...but what happens if I really would like to win an auction? I cannot sit in front of the PC each day , hoping to be faster-fingered than these pros. They must be using some software or service that bids in the final seconds, using some "top all bids" scenario. Do you guys use such software? Is anyone familiar with the pros and cons ofthe various brands ? Is auction sniping so prevalent that a guy has to be really lucky just to win an auction nowadays ? (My eBay feedback is just 83, so you can tell that I'm no pro in this arena) There's a couple T205's out in eBay land that I'm wanting, and have bid a fair amount for....what do you think works best? Thanks for any help/ suggestions. BTW, I do have a small outgoing pile even without the eBay help. It's a good feeling to hit a few lists now and then !! ================= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 13:31:25 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers To: familytoad@harborside.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com I sometimes use hammersnipe.com. They have a free program that allows you to "spend" 5 points per month. You are allowed to place snipe bids on 5 items over a month period for free. The snipes will be registered with ten seconds to go. If you subscribe to their services, they offer unlimited sniping and snipe registry with up to 2 seconds to go. I know many people that swear by the program for its convenience. I use the free service for now. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:28:23 EDT Subject: Trivia Question To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have a trivia question- What Hall Of Fame pitcher hit a home run in his first Major League at bat and it was his ONLY Major League home run- ? Hint: unfortunately he is recently deceased- and he is also a 52 topps hi #- ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:58:16 -0400 From: "John Collins" On the "ethical" issue of whether or not auction sniping is a good thing todo, I'm not sure what to say, but I do think it has to be acknowledged as a reality of online auctions these days. Traditionally, the format of an auction as a selling venue has been seen asvery fair, because it allows the person who is willing to spend the highest amount to win the item. Prior to auctions going online and automated, itwas normally a pretty good bet that any person who "lost out" at the end of an auction did so because they had been outbid and did not wish to go anyhigher. Today, with auctions sniping coming into play, the people who are outbid just don't find out about it until the auction is over or until itis too late to do anything about it. Overall, I would have to say that I do not view auction sniping as too big of an offense, partially because I do it myself, but also because ebay still has a format in place to let you win if you are willing to pay the highest amount. That is what the proxy bidding system will do for you, non-withstanding what snipers may outbid you with 4 seconds left. If they were willing to pay $200 for that Mickey Mantle card, and your max proxy bid was $175, then how is the other party's winning unfair, just because it was at the last second? It is only perceived to be unfair because the system will not allow you to go over your maximum proxy in the time remaining just because another bidder "dared you to do it," an upped the ante at the last second. The only answer I can think of is to simply be happy with the auctions you win with your maximum bid amount, and don't worry about those you loose. Remember, those people were still willing to pay more for the item than you did. Or, do what I do sometimes, and simply put your maximum bid in as asnipe. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. My $0.02. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers Today is my last day off for a long while....and I thought that I would spend the weekend beefing up my dupes box and hitting a few lists..... I had over a dozen eBay auctions going...didn't win a single one yet...and instead of my customary cheapness, I was actually trying to spend green money on these...ummm, I noticed a disturbing trend. The last three auctions I have been sitting in front of my PC for the ending, monitoring the time remaining, and "eyeing" my competition. Each one I lost with 10 seconds or less to go, by someone who was not in the previous bid history....as a matter of fact, I would have stupidly spent quite a bit more on this particular lot than I intended, if it were not for this last second sniper, but I think I got the last laugh by "knowing" that some sniper was going to have to top my bid in the final seconds anyway..... So, I can live without those lots that have been sniped away...but what happens if I really would like to win an auction? I cannot sit in front of the PC each day , hoping to be faster-fingered than these pros. They must be using some software or service that bids in the final seconds, using some "top all bids" scenario. Do you guys use such software? Is anyone familiar with the pros and cons of the various brands ? Is auction sniping so prevalent that a guy has to be really lucky just towin an auction nowadays ? (My eBay feedback is just 83, so you can tell that I'm no pro in this arena) There's a couple T205's out in eBay land that I'm wanting, and have bid afair amount for....what do you think works best? Thanks for any help/ suggestions. BTW, I do have a small outgoing pile even without the eBay help. It's a good feeling to hit a few lists now and then !! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia Question Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:18:58 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Hoyt Wilhelm, and it's ironic that only 2 HOF'ers hit a homer in their first at-bat, and one of them was a pitcher. The other, of course, is Earl One thing that really bothers me is that the Hall of Fame website has a Bio of Hoyt Wilhelm which states that he hit a triple in his second at-bat and that was also his only triple in his career. The fact is, Hoyt did only hit one career triple but it came in his second SEASON, not his second at-bat. Unfortunately, this "fact" has been picked up and repeated many times - I saw it repeated in a local newspaper article just a couple of weeks ago. This is to be expected, as the HOF has credibility and as journalist look for background information on an old player, using the HOF website is a natural thing to do. In April of this year, I contacted the HOF and pointed out their error to them. A month later one of their research staff contacted me and confirmed that I was correct. They even provided the dates for me: April 23, 1952 for the home run, and June 4, 1953 for the triple. For some reason, the HOF still has not corrected their website. I think this is inexcusable as this misinformation is bound to continue to spread - especially now that Hoyt has passed away. Hoyt was a great player and deserves to be remembered for all of his accomplishments. Remembering him for something he didn't do does him an injustice. So if you see this myth repeated, just remember it ain't so! -Dave Fallen PS Linda deserves credit for not succumbing to the myth of the triple, and correctly stating the trivia question. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:28 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia Question > hi- this is Linda- i have a trivia question- What Hall Of Fame pitcher hit > home run in his first Major League at bat and it was his ONLY Major League > home run- ? Hint: unfortunately he is recently deceased- and he is also a > topps hi #- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:23:41 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Brian - I personally never worry about being scalped. I bid what I am willing to pay and if someone outbids me he/she wanted it more that I did and was willing to pay more than I felt the lot was worth. One trick I use is bidding in odd increments such as 15.01, 11.52, etc. Give it a try and good luck! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia Question Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 12:55:26 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I have a funny story about errors and the Hall of Fame that I thought I would share with you. I went to the HOF about five years ago for my first and only visit. One of the things they have is a big room with giant lists of players that have surpassed certain milestones. One of these was a 300 HR list. As I looked down the list, I saw "Johhny Mise," so I went to get the historian guy to ask him about it. He was surprised to say the least that nobody had ever noticed it before - it had been that way for years! I'm not sure how, it looked really weird and really obvious. Anyway, that was my contribution to the Hall. There is also a candy wrapper behind the Ebbets Field wall that I could not retreive to save my life...that's my son's (2 yrs old at the time) contribution to the Hall! Take Care, Geno Geno Wagner Why Wait? Move to EarthLink. > [Original Message] > From: Dave Fallen > To: > Date: 8/25/2002 12:19:14 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia Question > Hoyt Wilhelm, and it's ironic that only 2 HOF'ers hit a homer in their > at-bat, and one of them was a pitcher. The other, of course, is Earl > Averill. > One thing that really bothers me is that the Hall of Fame website has a > of Hoyt Wilhelm which states that he hit a triple in his second at-bat and > that was also his only triple in his career. The fact is, Hoyt did only > one career triple but it came in his second SEASON, not his second at-bat. > Unfortunately, this "fact" has been picked up and repeated many times - I > saw it repeated in a local newspaper article just a couple of weeks ago. > This is to be expected, as the HOF has credibility and as journalist look > for background information on an old player, using the HOF website is a > natural thing to do. > In April of this year, I contacted the HOF and pointed out their error to > them. A month later one of their research staff contacted me and > that I was correct. They even provided the dates for me: April 23, 1952 > for the home run, and June 4, 1953 for the triple. For some reason, the > still has not corrected their website. I think this is inexcusable as > misinformation is bound to continue to spread - especially now that Hoyt > passed away. > Hoyt was a great player and deserves to be remembered for all of his > accomplishments. Remembering him for something he didn't do does him an > injustice. So if you see this myth repeated, just remember it ain't so! > -Dave Fallen > PS Linda deserves credit for not succumbing to the myth of the triple, and > correctly stating the trivia question. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 11:28 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia Question > > hi- this is Linda- i have a trivia question- What Hall Of Fame pitcher > a > > home run in his first Major League at bat and it was his ONLY Major > > home run- ? Hint: unfortunately he is recently deceased- and he is also > 52 > > topps hi #- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: I joined the Sniper allegiance !! Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 14:23:15 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Thanks for all the advice, and for giving me a look at how you folks do things. It's just common sense to only spend what you feel the lot is worth...but then when you miss out by a buck with just 10 seconds to go, it makes you re-assess how much you might have "really" spent if you could have !! So because I don't know any better, I bid with my heart, sometimes my wallet, and then let the dust settle... I joined Hammersnipe for an initiation into the real world of techno-auctioning. No longer will I be left behind waving my placard madly at the pseudo-auctioneer for a last-second chance at the cardboard chalices I covet. No longer will I wonder just how much more will it take, and what will I be doing when that auction ends. No longer will I curse the sniper as a snipee. For now I am one !! Prepare ye my path, O Hammersnipe. Free me from the clutches of the keyboard at auction-closing bell time ! Well you get the idea...One auction ends in 3 hours that I am hoping to win...and I'm not going to watch, worry or wonder. Que sera ,sera. Thanks once again ! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:11:58 -0500 From: "wierzbickim" Hi, Everyone! With regard to last-second auction "sniping" . . . Sniping has always been a part of auctions. At live auctions, there are plenty of people who do not bid until others have reached their maximum and have stopped bidding. Auction houses that accept bids by phone will also tell you that sniping has always been a part of the auction experience. The only thing about the internet auctions is that the software ensures that bids are recorded in the last few seconds. I agree that it is disappointing to lose a bid on a snipe, but I also have won a bunch in the same way. The best way to avoid disappointment is to bid the maximum amount you are willing to pay, and then write off lost auctions to the other bidders' simply being willing to pay more. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Brian Lindholme Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers On the "ethical" issue of whether or not auction sniping is a good thing to do, I'm not sure what to say, but I do think it has to be acknowledged as a reality of online auctions these days. Traditionally, the format of an auction as a selling venue has been seen as very fair, because it allows the person who is willing to spend the highest amount to win the item. Prior to auctions going online and automated, it was normally a pretty good bet that any person who "lost out" at the endof an auction did so because they had been outbid and did not wish to go any higher. Today, with auctions sniping coming into play, the people who are outbid just don't find out about it until the auction is over or until it is too late to do anything about it. Overall, I would have to say that I do not view auction sniping as too big of an offense, partially because I do it myself, but also because ebay still has a format in place to let you win if you are willing to pay the highest amount. That is what the proxy bidding system will do for you, non-withstanding what snipers may outbid you with 4 seconds left. If they were willing to pay $200 for that Mickey Mantle card, and your max proxy bid was $175, then how is the other party's winning unfair, just because it was at the last second? It is only perceived to be unfair because the system willnot allow you to go over your maximum proxy in the time remaining just because another bidder "dared you to do it," an upped the ante at the last second. The only answer I can think of is to simply be happy with the auctions you win with your maximum bid amount, and don't worry about those you loose. Remember, those people were still willing to pay more for the item than you did. Or, do what I do sometimes, and simply put your maximum bid in asa snipe. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. My $0.02. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers Today is my last day off for a long while....and I thought that I wouldspend the weekend beefing up my dupes box and hitting a few lists..... I had over a dozen eBay auctions going...didn't win a single one yet...and instead of my customary cheapness, I was actually trying to spend greenmoney on these...ummm, I noticed a disturbing trend. The last three auctions I have been sitting in front of my PC for the ending, monitoring the time remaining, and "eyeing" my competition. Each one I lost with 10 seconds or less to go, by someone who was not in the previous bid history....as a matter of fact, I would have stupidly spent quite a bit more on this particular lot than I intended, if it were notfor this last second sniper, but I think I got the last laugh by "knowing"that some sniper was going to have to top my bid in the final seconds anyway..... So, I can live without those lots that have been sniped away...but whathappens if I really would like to win an auction? I cannot sit in front of the PC each day , hoping to be faster-fingeredthan these pros. They must be using some software or service that bids in the final seconds, using some "top all bids" scenario. Do you guys use such software? Is anyone familiar with the pros and cons of the various brands ? Is auction sniping so prevalent that a guy has to be really lucky just to win an auction nowadays ? (My eBay feedback is just 83, so you can tell that I'm no pro in this arena) There's a couple T205's out in eBay land that I'm wanting, and have bida fair amount for....what do you think works best? Thanks for any help/ suggestions. BTW, I do have a small outgoing pile even without the eBay help. It's agood feeling to hit a few lists now and then !! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 21:44:20 -0400 Subject: card help info From: richard a kimball hello group, i need some help in identirying a card i cannot find in my scd book. its a babe ruth card and has a pic of a young ball player on front with babes pic top left corner and says" ask your grocer for-blackburns syrup-building its own "hall of fame". back has "ask your grocer for "blacburns syrup" fairy queen-a honey flavor new crop-a sorghum flavor waffle syrup-a maple flavor blackburn -made a ribbon cane flavor then it has all the cities in alabama listed by number from jefferson to winston then replacment tag number under that says"alabama auto tag identifacation. cant seem to find it or a year,looks like late 30s or 40s vintage. has anyone seen any of these as i found 2 at local fleamarket for a song . let me know what you think or where i can get more info then the bible GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 23:10:53 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: snipers/ SF 49ers bear/ virus From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: familytoad@harborside.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 15:23:41 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction snipers Brian - I personally never worry about being scalped. I bid what I am willing to pay and if someone outbids me he/she wanted it more that I did and was willing to pay more than I felt the lot was worth. One trick I use is bidding in odd increments such as 15.01, 11.52, etc. Give it a try and good luck! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '69 Tiger Yearbook Results Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 7:37:56 +0000 From: There were 26 homers hit on Sunday, so the winner of the 1969 Tiger Yearbook is.......... Paul Biggs!!!!! Jeff Sinclair!!!! Jeff guessed 24, while Paul went for 28, so we have a tie! So here's the tie break question (Open only to Paul and Jef, and only valid if you can both get guesses to me today): How many K's will Arizona's Curt Schilling record in tonight's game against the Dodgers? Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 16:59:33 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: BB Strike To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com First, does anyone know if there is a strike, is it before or after Friday's games. I have been invited to go to a game Friday nite. I thought this was funny enough to pass along. Subject: A PLEA FOR HELP!!! Since September 11, 2001, Americans have come together as never before in our generation. We have banded together to overcome tremendous adversity. We have weathered direct attacks on our own soil, wars overseas, corporate scandal, layoffs, unemployment, stock price plunges, droughts, fires, and a myriad of economic and physical disasters both great and small. But now, we must come together once again to overcome our greatest challenge yet. Hundreds of Major League Baseball players in our very own nation are living at, just below, or in most cases far above the seven-figure salary level. And as if that weren't bad enough they could be deprived of their life-giving pay for several months, possibly longer, as a result of the upcoming strike situation. But you can help! For only $20,835 a month, about $694.50 a day (that's less than the cost of a large screen projection TV) you can help a MLB player remain economically viable during his time of need. This contribution by no means solves the problem as it barely covers the annual minimum salary, but it's a start, and every little bit will help! Although $700 may not seem like a lot of money to you, to a baseball player it could mean the difference between spending the strike golfing in Florida or on a Mediterranean cruise. For you, seven hundred dollars is nothing more than a month's rent, half a mortgage payment, two unemployment checks, or a month of medical insurance with COBRA, but to a baseball player, $700 will partially replace his daily salary. Your commitment of less than $700 a day will enable a player to buy that home entertainment center, trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari, or enjoy a weekend in Rio. HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING? Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the player you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other investment holdings will be mailed to your home. Plus, upon signing up for this program, you will receive an unsigned photo of the player lounging during the strike on a beach somewhere in the Caribbean (for a signed photo, please include an additional $150). Put the photo on your refrigerator to remind you of other peoples' suffering. HOW WILL HE KNOW I'M HELPING? Your MLB player will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND who just wants to help in a time of need. Although the player won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator in case additional funds are needed for unforeseen expenses. YES, I WANT TO HELP! I would like to sponsor a striking MLB player. My preference is checked [ ] Infielder [ ] Outfielder [ ] Starting Pitcher [ ] Ace Pitcher [ ] Entire team (Please call our 900 number to ask for the cost of a specific team - $10 per minute) [ ] Alex Rodriguez (Higher cost: $60,000 per day) Please charge the account listed below $694.50 per day for the player for the duration of the strike. Please send me a picture of the player I have sponsored, along with an Alex Rodriguez 2001 Income Statement and my very own Donald Fehr MLB Players Union pin to wear proudly on my hat (include $80 for Your Name: _______________________ Telephone Number: ____________________ Account Number: _____________________ [ ] MasterCard [ ] Visa [ ] American Express [ ] Discover Signature: _______________________ Alternate card (when the primary card exceeds its credit limit): Account Number: _____________________Exp.Date:_______ [ ] MasterCard [ ] Visa [ ] American Express [ ] Discover Signature: _______________________ Mail completed form to MLB Players Union or call 1-900-FUCK-THE-FANS now to enroll by phone ($10 per minute). Disclaimer: Sponsors are not permitted to contact the player they have sponsored, either in person or by other means including, but not limited to, telephone calls, letters, e-mail, or third parties. Contributions are not ================= Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:47:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A quote From: "rayluurs" With the impending strike looming at us I happened upon this quote. the game should remain a sport of gentleman, an exercise in decorum and clean play and honesty. Unless carefully controlled greed would be its ruin. It was writen by Henry Chadwick, concidered by many one of the fathers of baseball, who was commenting on allowing gamblers near the game. I wounder know if he would welcome gamblers but throw suspicion on the owners and players ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Strike Fund, We can help Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:03:21 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Thought the group would get a kick out of this satirical memo that made it to my daughter in San Francisco via the internet. To: (Fill in the blank) Subject: MLB Players - An Opportunity To Help Importance: Low Since September 11, 2001, Americans have come together as never before in our generation. We have banded together to overcome tremendous adversity. We have weathered direct attacks on our own soil, wars overseas, corporate scandal, layoffs, unemployment, stock price plunges, droughts, fires, and a myriad of economic and physical disasters both great and small. But now, we must come together once again to overcome our greatest challenge yet. Hundreds of Major League Baseball players in our very own nation are living at, just below, or in most cases far above the seven-figure salary level. And as if that weren't bad enough they could be deprived of their life giving pay for several months, possibly longer, as a result of the upcoming strike situation. But you can help! For only $20,835 a month, about $694.50 a day (that's less than the cost of a large screen projection TV) you can help a MLB player remain economically viable during his time of need. This contribution by no means solves the problem as it barely covers the annual minimum salary, but it's a start, and every little bit will help! Although $700 may not seem like a lot of money to you, to a baseball player it could mean the difference between spending the strike golfing in Florida or on a Mediterranean cruise. For you, seven hundred dollars is nothing more than a month's rent, half a mortgage payment, or a month of medical insurance, but to a baseball player, $700 will partially replace his daily Your commitment of less than $700 a day will enable a player to buy that home entertainment center, trade in the year-old Lexus for a new Ferrari, or enjoy a weekend in Rio. HOW WILL I KNOW I'M HELPING? Each month, you will receive a complete financial report on the player you sponsor. Detailed information about his stocks, bonds, 401(k), real estate, and other investment holdings will be mailed to your home. Plus, upon signing up for this program, you will receive an unsigned photo of the player lounging during the strike on a beach somewhere in the Caribbean (for a signed photo, please include an additional $150). Put the photo on your refrigerator to remind you of other peoples' suffering. HOW WILL HE KNOW I'M HELPING? Your MLB player will be told that he has a SPECIAL FRIEND who just wants to help in a time of need. Although the player won't know your name, he will be able to make collect calls to your home via a special operator in case additional funds are needed for unforeseen expenses. YES, I WANT TO HELP! I would like to sponsor a striking MLB player. My preference is (check [ ] Infielder [ ] Outfielder [ ] Starting Pitcher [ ] Ace Pitcher [ ] Entire team (Please call our 900 number to ask for the cost of a specific team - $10 per minute) [ ] Alex Rodriguez (Higher cost: $60,000 per day) Please charge the account listed below $694.50 per day for the duration of the strike. Please send me a picture of the player I have sponsored, along with an Alex Rodriguez 200 1 Income Statement and my very own Donald Fehr MLB Players Union pin to wear proudly on my hat (include $80 for hat). Your Name: _______________________ Telephone Number: _______________________ Account Number: _______________________ Exp.Date:_______ [ ] MasterCard [ ] Visa [ ] American Express [ ] Discover Signature: _______________________ Alternate card (when the primary card exceeds its credit limit): Account Number: _______________________ Exp.Date:_______ [ ] MasterCard [ ] Visa [ ] American Express [ ] Discover Signature: _______________________ Mail completed form to MLB Players Union or call 1-900-*%*&-THE-FANS now to enroll by phone ($10 per minute). Disclaimer: Sponsors are not permitted to contact the player they have sponsored, either in person or by other means including, but not limited to, telephone calls, letters, e-mail, or third parties. Contributions are not tax-deductible. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: FINALLY! From: Neal Thomas Hey all- I finally picked up the last card that Rick needed for his 1955 set on ebay. Once this card is delivered, the cards will be on the way to Rick. What a way to send our get well wishes. Thanks to everyone who chipped in and put this set to bed! ================= Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 23:41:27 EDT Subject: A responce to my recent "Rambling" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - The following is a response I received tonight shortly after I sent my "Rambling" agreeing with Lynn and others on the "Spirit of OBC", I have changed some of this to protect the sender as he has "STAN HACK like " attacks planned and I don't want to spoil them: When you get a chance, I would love to hear more about the original days of OBC and the Random Acts of Kindness. As one of the newbies, the recent ramblings sent out by yourself, Lynn, and Ken, have really helped ease any lasting apprehensions I may have had and strengthened the view of OBC that I was carrying around. I have talked with Lynn about OBC many times, since the original welcome package he sent me back in ?. He always tells me that "what goes around, comes around" and that it is his turn to give back in the same way he was greeted as a new member of OBC. He says people take notice I entered OBC totally comfortable with the idea of sending cards unsolicited, no strings attached. That idea was immediately confirmed after receiving boxes containing hundreds of cards from (I removed the names to protect the sender, as he as plans to suprise a few people), to name a few. In the five months I have been a member, I still get a great joy from seeing my name on the thanks server from another member. I love nothing more than to find an elusive card off of someone's list. Even though I don't have the most extensive dupes box in the world, I try to make the best of what I do have. Many OBCers when I joined sent me tons of cards to fill out my sets from the 70s. Although I may not be able to send them back a lot of cards, I can pass on the generosity to newer members. I am a frequent contributor to guys I can hit and hit in large amounts. I hit who I can, when I can, with what I can, and I love the element of surprise. Basically, the point of my ramble is that I like to think that I possess some of the original OBC spirit. Even though I was only ? when OBC was formedand had never, until this year, been interested in vintage cards, I think that I have discovered collecting and vintage with an uncharacteristic zeal for someone my age. I hope to be a long standing, active member of OBC into the future. And, I am already looking forward to the 2003 National so that I may experience the camaraderie that has been a part of this group for so long. Whatever you have to share would be much appreciated." ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Yearbook Tie-Breaker (Round 2) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 7:39:45 +0000 From: Unfortunately, Paul Biggs was unable to get a guess to me in time to take part in last night's tiebreaker (Schilling's strikeouts), so let's try something else, shall we? Paul and Cap, how many individual cards from OBCers will drop through my mailbox between Wednesday, Aug 28th and Tuesday, Sept 3? Get your guesses in as soon as you can! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:31:49 EDT Subject: Can you ID these cards? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I purchased some of these game-type cards at the National but have no idea what they are.... http://www.members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/mysterycards.html Any information about the game these cards may have come with, year of issue, etc. would be greatly appreciated. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:32:35 EDT Subject: Gone to Texas! To: obc-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Just a note to let ya'll know that I will be "Gone to Texas" starting Wednesday for about 10 days. Well deserved R&R if I do say so myself! Will try to check emails while gone, but no guarantees. Will try to give you a report post-Hill Country. God Bless America! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:07:17 EDT Subject: Interesting ebay lot To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com It's a Dutch auction: eBay item 1852329575 (Ends Aug-27-0220:28:49 PDT ) - 13 TOPPS SET RUN 1955 1955-1963 1965-1969 WOW ================= Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:33:32 -0400 To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting ebay lot From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I have actually done this auction, and it is not half bad. The cards I got were in really good shape and were worth at least $5 apiece. I didn't get anything great, but that is part of a Dutch auction, now isn't it? He does send a list of what the key card is in each lot, and who won what. So if there is still a valuable card hanging around, like a 63 Rose, you will know if it is still available. Wish it was more than four cards for $20, but hey it's a gamble. It's a Dutch auction: eBay item 1852329575 (Ends Aug-27-02 20:28:49 PDT ) - 13 TOPPS SET RUN 1955 1955-1963 1965-1969 WOW ================= Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 15:16:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Did the Gremlins get these or an OBC From: "mikesportsfan" A couple of weeks ago I saw my stack of dupe Leaf Boxing and Topps Ringside Boxing. A total of probably under 15 cards combined. I cannot find the stack. I have looked repeatedly. My dupes are fairly well organized and are all kept in a single room, so there are only so many places to look. It is possible that I mailed some (I cannot believe I would have sent all) to an OBCer. Does anyone recall receiving any in the last month? Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:27:18 EDT Subject: help dodger fans! To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com hi: i have come across an item i am having some trouble identifying. it is a set of 20 los angeles dodger b&w photos, 5x7, with facsimile autographs. they came in a manilla (may have been white but yellowed over time) envelope that has a photo of dodger stadium and a drawing of a pitcher with the words "Los Angeles Dodgers Player Pictures, Autographed, 20 Individual Pictures, 50 Cents" (the cents sign, which i dont know how to do). from the players in here, i believe this is from about 1965 or 1966. i am missing one of the photos (probably drysdale), but here is who is alston, tommy davis, willie davis, fairly, griffith, lou johnson, kennedy, koufax, miller, oliver, osteen, parker, perranoski, podres, purdin, reed, roseboro (r.i.p.), tracewski, wills. any help in identifying or any info would be appreciated. also, if anyone is interested in these, please let me know. i also have a drysdale photo with a "personalized inscription and autograph" to all of his "neighbors in klamath falls forest estates" i figure its a rest home or a cemetery. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 11:29:47 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Here is a list of some stuff that can use a nice home. The 3D cards with no cracks are Xograph, perhaps they are Kellogg's clones but not sure. Condition on all is at least Ex. These are available fcfs: 72/73 topps basketball #15 (Jerry Lucas) 1972 3D All Time Baseball Greats #7 (Lefty Grove), #10 (Eddie Collins) 1976 3D Superstars #3 (Don Gullett), #30 (Frank Tanana) Fleer WS stickers - these have the same fronts as the Fleer 71 WS cards, except stickers are on the back, included are 1940 to 1979. Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= To: Subject: Savary Island Saga (cont') Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 08:59:13 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" This must be about installment 12 or so of this continuing epic....previous episodes have included among other things our dog ripping her pads to shreds on the barnacles, my daughter having emergency surgery, my own crocked back, and last year my bride's broken leg... Fast forward to August 2000. We lost our beloved dog earlier this summer. Kate is at the stage where she doesn't really want to be seen in public with Mom and Dad, and even has a boyfriend. So we shipped her off by plane to visit a cousin about 500 miles away, not only from home, but also from her boyfriend. He's okay, but he's still a boy. I used to be a 17 year old boy once, so I know what that's all about. Not a chance, bucko. So, using one of the few math skills that I have retained over the years, I worked out that if there were only two of us heading to Slavery Island instead of the usual four, that should effectively cut the odds approximately in half of anything really bad happening. I didn't allow for We arrived at the small but bustling fishing village of Lund, which is just about at the end of the world, and we were early for our water taxi to get us to Slavery Island. Jenny came up with a brilliant idea...come on, Big Boy, I'll buy you a beer at the Hotel. This is where you see everybody you know if you just wait a little while. We sit down with a chap who is giving us a quote on putting in a foundation for our soon to be cabin, along with some other jobs that I wouldn't even dream of doing myself. Five minutes later, in walks another chap who we have asked for quotes from, and he joined us at our table too. I know they are in competition, but had no idea that they hated each others guts. It was pretty obvious that a fist fight was shaping up. I did the only reasonable thing I could think of...pounded my beer back and we blitzed for the water taxi. Now to the Island....I broke out my brand new chain saw, and even read the manual and instructions. I am happy to report that all my limbs are intact, but I can't say the same for the trees. We have enough firewood to last about 15 years, but no stove to burn it in yet. One day. The best part? We were not forced to make any use of the medical system at all.....perhaps we have turned a corner. Next step? Late September, building begins in earnest, and I'd like to have the joint to lockup by October. Just who the contractor will be likely depends on who survived the scrap back in Lund. Our strategy next trip involves only one of us, either my bride or myself, going up to assist and/or oversee the building process. The way I see it, that cuts the odds another 50% of one of us getting crocked. We're almost there. To be continued..... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire - UPDATE Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:23:44 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Hey folks, an update already! This is what is left from the previous waiver: 72/73 topps basketball #15 (Jerry Lucas) 1976 3D Superstars #3 (Don Gullett), #30 (Frank Tanana) Fleer WS stickers - these have the same fronts as the Fleer 71 WS cards, except stickers are on the back, included are 1940 to 1969. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Cards wanted Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:25:58 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Hi everyone. At the National, a possible distant cousin of mine treated us very well at his restaurant. I am hoping we can pay back his hospitality with cards. I'm putting the word out to everyone in the group, with special emphasis to those who were at dinner: Ken, Kent, Doug, Sal, Big Al,Jim H. Hope I have not forgotten anyone who attended. Either send the cards to me or send them directly to Jim Rittenberg at his restaurant. Jim Rittenberg 5 West Hubbard Chicago, IL 60610 If I get dupes, I'll probably send the best to Jim and redistribute the rest back into OBC. If you want the card numbers for the guys Jim likes, I can dig that up and mail it out to the group. If anyone has a better idea, let me know. ----- Original Message ----- From: JJRPRIME@aol.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 8:51 AM Subject: Re: Thanks!!!!!!!!!! It was great meeting you and the "boys" I really enjoyed the baseball talk.There are not many around that can share that with me. My all time favorite player was Frankie Baumholtz, Cub Outfielder, He played Center between Hank Sauer and Ralph Kiner one season and had to cover foul line to foul line and still was our team leader for average. He and Big Hank Sauer were my growing up idols. Then of coourse in 1959 The Sox won the pennant and my scoolboy heart-they couldn't hit but, boy, did they hustle!!! Nellie Fox, Little Luis, Sherm Lollar, Billy Pierce and, of course, oursaviour, Gus Wynn. Let me know when you are back in Chicago. You still have to try the Ribs!! Your distant cousin??? Jim Rittenberg ================= Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:35:29 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards wanted To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com for those interested, the rittenberg family in chicago are huge in the restaurant and real estate arenas. just how distant did you say jimmy was ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: strike? Date: 29 Aug 2002 07:14:58 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Apparently some more progress was made in the collective barganing process last night, but I would say there is still a very high chance of a strike. Is there someway that President Bush could "order" the players to keep playing? I wish something like that could happen, for him to just tell them to shut up and play ball. After all that has happened in our country over the past year, the last thing the fans need to see is a bunch of whiny millionare players arguing with a bunch of whiny billionaire owners over who gets a couple of million either way (that is what they are down to, I understand). I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that baseball will really loose the fans this time if they do strike. I guess I can be content to watch the single-A Winston-Salem Warthogs and continue to collect vintage cards, but the modern major leagues are a real shame. My 2 cents. If I were a major league player, I would say my 2 million. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Arizona card shows? Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:34:29 +0000 From: Can any of you tell me if there are any card shows scheduled to take place in the Phoenix, AZ area during the last 2 weeks of September? Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:51:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Gremlins caught From: "mikesportsfan" While pulling some 1975 Topps FB for Gary Mandell, I found my stack of about 10 1951 Topps Ringside Boxing. How they got into a 5000 count box marked 1975 - present FB I do not understand. There were no Leaf Boxing dupes, which makes sense since I only have a few singles. I am planning on trading the Ringside dupes to Alex Phillips in Canada. A few guys in the group have said they have had pleasant trades with him. Alex and I are looking for some sort of guide on teh Ringside Boxing if anyone can help us out there. Also, if anyone form OBC is working on this set, before I send them to Alex, LMK ASAP. Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:08:19 EDT Subject: Of Note to Pre-War collectors To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Yesterday me and Tim were in the local card shop and Tim noticed a guy preparing some cards for the local bid board and he noticed they were older cards- Tim talks to ANYONE in a card shop with older cards- We found out the man who was preparing some cards for the bid board was Walter Ruether lll or "Dutch" Ruether's grandson. In fact he menitoned he was the grandson of a former major leaguer- When the guys in the card shop asked who- and he replied Dutch Reuther- They said they never heard of him- Of Course Tim spoke up and said . "What's the matter with you guys? Dutch Reuther was a famous pitcher on the 1927 Yankees and also the pennant winning 1925 Senators and also a member of the Black Sox team"--Tim talked with Reuther's grandson about card issues of his grandfather which he collects- both contemporary and recent reprints- Reuther's grandson mentioned he is really searching for a Cuban card of his grandfather made in the 1920's- apparently the set is all pitchers- Does any trader know what this set might be or actually have the card- We have all the modern reprints of his cards including a 1991 Conlon, Target Dodgers, 8 Men Out Pacific Set card,a Galasso oil painting card from the 27 Yankees set and a card from the TCMA 1927 Yankees set- the only original we have is an Carmel -from the early 20's - it is an E- ?120,121,122- don't know which one- the one with the plain white border- Reuther also gave us an article he had written on his grandfather- i plan on sending a xerox of this article out with cards i send out to traders in the future- Tim says i have sent out enough of those Whitey Ford baseball Clinic Articles- Linda ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Note to Pre-War collectors Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 15:57:40 -0700 From: "Greg Conway" 1924 Diaz Cigarettes. Very rare. Supposed to be 136 cards in the set but only about half have actually been discovered. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Note to Pre-War collectors > hi- this is Linda- Yesterday me and Tim were in the local card shop and > noticed a guy preparing some cards for the local bid board and he noticed > they were older cards- Tim talks to ANYONE in a card shop with older > We found out the man who was preparing some cards for the bid board was > Walter Ruether lll or "Dutch" Ruether's grandson. In fact he menitoned he > the grandson of a former major leaguer- When the guys in the card shop > who- and he replied Dutch Reuther- They said they never heard of him- Of > Course Tim spoke up and said . "What's the matter with you guys? Dutch > Reuther was a famous pitcher on the 1927 Yankees and also the pennant > 1925 Senators and also a member of the Black Sox team"--Tim talked with > Reuther's grandson about card issues of his grandfather which he collects- > both contemporary and recent reprints- Reuther's grandson mentioned he is > really searching for a Cuban card of his grandfather made in the 1920's- > apparently the set is all pitchers- Does any trader know what this set > be or actually have the card- We have all the modern reprints of his cards > including a 1991 Conlon, Target Dodgers, 8 Men Out Pacific Set card,a > Galasso oil painting card from the 27 Yankees set and a card from the TCMA > 1927 Yankees set- the only original we have is an Carmel -from the early > - it is an E- ?120,121,122- don't know which one- the one with the plain > white border- Reuther also gave us an article he had written on his > grandfather- i plan on sending a xerox of this article out with cards i > out to traders in the future- Tim says i have sent out enough of those > Ford baseball Clinic Articles- Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: yazmon@sigecom.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Note to Pre-War collectors Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:05:35 -0400 From: abaran@perriergroup.com An entire complete set of Diaz cards was actually discovered this year. Andy Baran Nestle Waters North America Inc. (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: Greg Conway [mailto:yazmon@sigecom.net] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 5:58 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Note to Pre-War collectors 1924 Diaz Cigarettes. Very rare. Supposed to be 136 cards in the set but only about half have actually been discovered. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Note to Pre-War collectors > hi- this is Linda- Yesterday me and Tim were in the local card shop and > noticed a guy preparing some cards for the local bid board and he noticed > they were older cards- Tim talks to ANYONE in a card shop with older > We found out the man who was preparing some cards for the bid board was > Walter Ruether lll or "Dutch" Ruether's grandson. In fact he menitoned he > the grandson of a former major leaguer- When the guys in the card shop > who- and he replied Dutch Reuther- They said they never heard of him- Of > Course Tim spoke up and said . "What's the matter with you guys? Dutch > Reuther was a famous pitcher on the 1927 Yankees and also the pennant > 1925 Senators and also a member of the Black Sox team"--Tim talked with > Reuther's grandson about card issues of his grandfather which he collects- > both contemporary and recent reprints- Reuther's grandson mentioned he is > really searching for a Cuban card of his grandfather made in the 1920's- > apparently the set is all pitchers- Does any trader know what this set > be or actually have the card- We have all the modern reprints of his cards > including a 1991 Conlon, Target Dodgers, 8 Men Out Pacific Set card,a > Galasso oil painting card from the 27 Yankees set and a card from the TCMA > 1927 Yankees set- the only original we have is an Carmel -from the early > - it is an E- ?120,121,122- don't know which one- the one with the plain > white border- Reuther also gave us an article he had written on his > grandfather- i plan on sending a xerox of this article out with cards i > out to traders in the future- Tim says i have sent out enough of those > Ford baseball Clinic Articles- Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:08:11 EDT Subject: B'day project plea... attn Pre-war collectors (esp. Zeenut) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I'm almost finished with the b'day project for my friend's dad, just securing a T206 of Fromme and a T205 of Konetchy, but I have a couple toughies left. I still need a Zeenut card (any year, 1928-1936) of Jerry Donovan and hopefully a T3 reprint of George Stone. Stone also had a 1912 Zeenut, #52 along with quite a few other cards. Does anyone happen to have a 1911 Sporting Life Cabinets (W600) card of Bill Armour (#8) and/or Mike Kahoe (#193) that they could photocopy for me? Thanks in advance... hate to beg, but I'm just about at the end of the project! Again, my friend is willing to pay for the cards... Take care, ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 17:19:12 EDT Subject: Upcoming New England shows To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com For those in the area, here are some upcoming shows with my own observations. Is anyone else going to these? September 6-8: Suffolk Downs, Revere MA This is the second annual show. Last year's offering was right after the 9/11 attacks, so the show was understandably unimpressive. I'm willing to give it another chance given last year's circumstances before I make a definite judgement. I'm probable for Saturday. Details can be found here: http://www.vspsports.com/suffolk/index.htm September 13-15: Royal Plaza Trade Center, Marlborough MA The promotion company (Tri-Star) seems to be making this a regular stop, this being the third show in less than a year. Show is more catered to autograph seekers than anything else. Though large compared to many shows in the area, selection of OBC material has been tough to come by. Other than a coupleof tables and spending time with Spike Glidden, April's offering was not too good for me. I'm going on a golf trip this weekend so I'm doubtful, especially since I'll most likely see many of the same dealers at Suffolk Downs. Details can be found here: http://www.tristarproductions.com/shows/NE902/index.htm And to be really forward looking... November 1-3: GBSCC Shriner's, Wilmington MA The biggest and best show in New England without question. An annual staple for many years...too bad it's just once a year. Weekend is highlighted by the annual OBC lunch/swap Saturday at high noon in the cafeteria. I'll be spending a lot of time here as I live only 20 minutes away. GBSCC does not have a website (that I'm aware of), so e-mail me if you want a copy of the Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:25:57 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay seller complaint! From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Although I can't really say he is a bad seller, I will feel better after I air my complaint to y'all. I won an auction for the last card for Rick's '55 list, and then realized the statement that said only cashiers checks or money orders. Since I am knee-deeep in work and school, I never get a chance to sneak out the the bank, or even the post office, so I emailed the seller asking him if he would be willing to accept a check. I told him the story of OBC and Rick, and how this was the last card for his set, etc and stated my ebay rating of close to 500, and never having bounced a check in my life. I received a "thanks, but I need to stick to my policy, email 2 days later. I can tell you that I will never bid on another auction run by this seller, vu-fan! OK, I feel better now. ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 18:30:27 EDT Subject: Warning, kinda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I have to bring OBC counterfeiting to forefront. Recently, Howard Morgan was kind enough to offer to place bids for OBCrs at a local auction. I accepted his offer, and asked him to place a bid on some 1954 Topps lots for me, but was unsuccessful. One of the lots that I sought included Yogi, Duke and Kaline. As a consolation for my unsuccessful bids, Howard sent me an envelope. The envelope contained a 1954 Yogi Berra! However, after hours of careful scrutiny I was able to detect that the card was a fraud. The first clue that the card was a fraud was that the back of the card was glued to an ordinary piece of cardboard. After further close inspection, lo and behold I was able to ascertain that the card was in fact a deceptively clever replica; a paper color reproduction (front and back) glued to cardboard. I admit that it took remarkable detective work on my part to uncover this forgery, so it is unclear if Howard realized what he was sending me. Perhaps I should give him the benefit of the doubt. ............. Perhaps the fact that Howard also included an authentic 1954 Topps DUKE SNIDER and AL KALINE ROOKIE in the envelope should be taken into consideration when determining whether or not Howard actually knew that the Berra was a phony. Funny thing, my personalized Yogi archive has become one of my favorite OBC cards to date. ================= Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 20:42:57 EDT Subject: cashiers checks To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com 
Neal - When i get those guys who insist on cashiers checks i just send em a
check.  They've never failed to send the cards without complaint.  You were
too polite.  - Doug

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 23:33:54 EDT
Subject: Re: [VCT] help dodger fans!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

I believe that those are from packages sold at the Dodger Stadium souvenir
shop during the late sixties and early seventies.  I remember buying many of
those envelopes after Dodger games as a kid and then stapling the photos to
my room's walls.  I'm not sure how much they are worth.

In a message dated 8/28/2002 8:29:20 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Smartalecx@aol.com writes:

> Subj:[VCT] help dodger fans!
> Date:8/28/2002 8:29:20 AM Pacific Standard Time
> From:Smartalecx@aol.com
> To:Smartalecx@aol.com
> Sent from the Internet

hi: i have come across an item i am having some trouble identifying.  it is a
set of 20 los angeles dodger b&w photos, 5x7, with facsimile autographs.
they came in a manilla (may have been white but yellowed over time) envelope
that has a photo of dodger stadium and a drawing of a pitcher with the words
"Los Angeles Dodgers Player Pictures, Autographed, 20 Individual Pictures, 50
Cents" (the cents sign, which i dont know how to do).  from the players in
here, i believe this is from about 1965 or 1966.

i am missing one of the photos (probably drysdale), but here is who is

alston, tommy davis, willie davis, fairly, griffith, lou johnson, kennedy,
koufax, miller, oliver, osteen, parker, perranoski, podres, purdin, reed,
roseboro (r.i.p.), tracewski, wills.

any help in identifying or any info would be appreciated.  also, if anyone is
interested in these, please let me know.  i also have a drysdale photo with a
"personalized inscription and  autograph" to all of his "neighbors in klamath
falls forest estates"  i figure its a rest home or a cemetery.

tnx, gary mandell

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 04:02:29 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Attn Pre War Collectors
From: "larryobc" 

While reading my Bible the other day, I discovered some evidence of
an unknown, and previously unreported baseball card set. Issue date
was estimated to be 1000BC.

Psalm 109:29 NKJV

Let my accusers be clothed with shame, And let them cover themselves
with their own disgrace as with a MANTLE.

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:38:29 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Attn Pre War Collectors
To: larry.tipton@netzero.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

And baseball is much older than that ...don't forget in the big inning God
created heaven and earth. - Doug

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:21:33 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bad wantlist
From: "Dr. John V Harrell" 

This is a notice to all in OBC to ignore my current wantlist.  It has
gone screwy and will not allow me to access, modify or delete it.  It is
very out of date and several people have sent cards based on what's in
it.  My  current correct website is:

http://www.webspawner.com/users/OBCWantlist

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:05:19 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Last call for Sandbox.com Fantasy Football
From: "p_u_bil" 

Still some slots available for Sandbox Fantasy Football in a mostly
OBC league (with two other friends of mine).

http://www.sandbox.com/fullcontact/prot-doc/home.jsp

League name: New York Wonderboys
Password: hobbs

League drafts on the 3rd and is head-to-head matchups. Not live so you
don't need to be present to win! (heh)

One caveat: Sandbox just announced ("just" meaning "yesterday") they
will limit access to FFL during certain hours to people who pay a
$3.95 access fee. That's a bummer, but the game itself is still free
... just limited in time for people who want TOTALLY free, like myself.

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: My Next pre-War Set
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 15:16:30 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I'm thinking of adding another pre-war set as the 41 Playball set is getting
close (just 5 cards, including Joe D).

I have about 1 card each of the major E sets (E92, 93, etc.) and thought one
of them might be obtainable as many of them are under 50 cards.  Does anyone
have an opinion pro/con on which set to start especially with regard to
price and availability.

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:49:27 EDT
Subject: Golden Press test set
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- Members know about and have cards from the 1961 Golden
Press set issued in 1961 in booklet form-i have a complete set of the
separated cards-- i have even seen complete unseparated booklets on ebay- at
the National here in 1991 in Anaheim Calif- a dealer had one test card from a
modern player set Golden Press was going to issue- he had the Yogi Berra card
but not perforated he identified as a test issue from an unrelased Golden
Press modern player set that may have been stopped by Topps- Does anyone else
know about this set and who was in it- Was it to be issued in a book of
perforated cards like the old timers set?? anyone else see any of the test
issues from this set? Linda

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Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:24:57 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Next pre-War Set
To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

Bob, I once completed an E92 Dockman set except for Wagner throwing and Cy
Young -- this is the only E92 set that's completeable in my opinion. The
other E92 sets are 20 year commitments. I'm within 4 cards of doing an E93
set and it's only taken about 15 months. This set is definitely completable.

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Attn Pre War Collectors
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 18:48:59 -0400
From: "Sean McGowan" 

And don't forget the popular theory for the creation of the universe...
... The "grand slam" theory :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: larry.tipton@netzero.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Attn Pre War Collectors

And baseball is much older than that ...don't forget in the big inning God
created heaven and earth. - Doug
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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 01:24:50 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: steve spurrier needed
From: "mzentko" 

want any spurrier cards from playing or coaching days for my redskins
collection...thanks, Mark

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To: 
Subject: Seattle Rainiers
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 22:29:19 -0700
From: "Dave Fallen" 

Lightning struck today, not actual lightning but a great piece of luck.  I was
dazed - I'm still dazed - but let me set the scene.

I grew up on Seattle Rainiers baseball.  They were a AAA team from 1934 until
1964.  Until the Dodgers left Brooklyn in 1958, the PCL was the only top-quality
baseball on this side of the continent.  My brother and I either spent
our allowances or snuck into many a Rainiers game in the mid to late 50s
and early 60s.

Today I stopped by a new thrift store in town.  I only had a few minutes, but
I thought I'd scope the place out to see if they carried anything worthwhile.
I spotted a group of nine baseballs sitting in a glass case.  They were
marked down from $149 to $69 - three of the nine had multiple signatures
on them.  Curious, I asked the clerk to bring the balls out for me to look
at.  I immediately peeped some very familiar names like Fred Hutchinson, Luke
Sewell, Bud Podbielan, Elmer Singleton, among others including three of
my childhood heroes - Joe Taylor, Ray Orteig, and Bobby Balcena.  I thinka
set a quick-draw record in pulling out my credit card.

Checking the signatures on the balls against team rosters, I determined I have
two 1955 and one 1956 team autographed Seattle Rainiers baseballs.  Forthe
record, 1955 was the year Seattle won the PCL championship.  Fred Hutchinson,
a local hometown hero, was the manager that year and signed on the sweet

All this brings back a flood of memories.  Of when bleacher seats were a quarter,
and popcorn was a dime.  Of when players played for the love of the game,
because most of them needed off-season jobs just to make ends meet.  No,
I don't live in the past -- but I remember it fondly.

-Dave Fallen

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Get Brittney Graded?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:09:44 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

I had heard of this, but didn't know whether or not to believe it.  Maybe those
of you who went to the National can tell more about this card:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item899313628

John C. Collins

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 12:59:52 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Next pre-War Set
To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

My opinion...

E-90-1 Larger set but seen a lot more often than just about every other candy
card. There are some tough scarcities though.
E-90-2 Small Pirate set and very tough...Wagner is very hard to find.
E-90-3 Chicago Teams, same boat as the E-90-2. tough.

E-91-A-B-C Seen every now and then. Not as tough as some of Nadja. They are
cheaper though because of the artwork (generic pictures).

E-92 Dockman is fairly easy but any other of the E-92 (Crofts Candy or Cocoa,
and esp. Nadja) are very difficult.

E-93 is fairly easy.

E-94 set is difficult but not impossible.

E-95 and E-96 (the Philadelphia carmel cards) are failry tough. Both are not
seen that often.

E-98 is one of my favorites but they tend to be pricey and have a ton of
variations in them (background color variations--I know the Dooin alone has
at least four different color variations).

E-101 is a fun set. I have a few of these and you see them every now and then
at auction for relatively cheap prices.

E-102 is the first candy card I ever bought. Many years ago, I paid $7 for
the Magee. Now you can't find one for less than $40 in poor condition. This
is a tough set.

E-104s, either type, are difficult as with all Nadja cards. Rarely seen.

E-106 Tough set to build in condition. Rarely seen as it is. Very pricey.

There you have my opinions on the small candy/carmel sets. Hope this helps.

=================

Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:22:14 EDT
Subject: No Strike and "Sweet 16"!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - I am sure many of you had the discussions I had with coworkers and
friends regarding the strike; "If they strike I will not come back.....,
Billionaires fighting millionaires....,  Shame on the keepers of the
game...., I will go to minor league games..., I will not return to a major
league game...., etc, etc, etc,,.

Well, they didn't strike and on Friday a few friends and I walked up and
purchased tickets to the A's game only to witness in person the A's franchise
record of 16 wins in a row (the actual record was 14 prior to this)! Next
stop a Major League record (I hope) of 24 in a row! 9000 fans walked up and
purchased day of game tickets last night!

The AL West has to be the most exciting race in baseball right now the
schedule has head to head competition with the leaders A's, Mariners and
Angels going at it the rest of the season with the Rangers with a chace to
spoil at the end! Yes, I will be watching and supporting the A's! On the
other side of the Bay the Giants have a real fight on their hands for the
Wild Card!!!!! I will be watching!

Another Baseball Quote:

"Nostalgia bubbles within me, and I might have to be dragged away."

---------Ronald Regan hosting a lunch for 32 Hall of Famers at the White
House, March 27, 1981

Tripleplay (Rick)

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 14:29:11 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Next pre-War Set
To: Wite3@aol.com, bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I agree with Joshua except on the E95s and E96s. I think these two issues are
the most plentiful of the E cards (this may be a regional thing because I see
these at local shows). E95 is tough because of the Cobb, Mathewson, Plank and
Wagner which are all very pricey. The biggest E96 hofers are Lajoie, Baker
and Mack. I think an E96 set can be completed in less than a year in obc
shape. For comparision, I completed my E96 (30 cards) set in 6 months and it
took me 6 years to complete E90-2 (only 11 cards) and that was even after I
lucked into a group of 4 tipton beauties (1/3 the set) at a show to start me

=================

Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:26:18 EDT
Subject: Thanks and other goings on
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

Hi gang,
Wed. night I made a trip somewhere I haven't been in a very long time.
It's probably been close to two years since I made the drive over there, but
my recent transfer to the store across the street made things too easy not to
go. I'm talking about Wonderland dog track. It was my night off and I wanted
to stop by the store to put in my pet food order for the following night, so
I decided I try to kill some time beforehand and see if they still had most
of the money I handed over to them in my younger days. Apparently they must
have because there wasn't any live racing that night. They were resurfacing
the track, so only simulcasting was available for three days (Mon.-Wed.) this
week. Not feeling I had any advantage betting at one track over another, I
randomly chose the Tampa program and headed inside - for free due to the lack
of a live card - score! Anyway, I proceeded to fail miserably at
prognosticating the outcome of about ten races, only hitting on a couple
favorites that didn't pay very much. In fact, I hit one trifecta that paid
out less than I had bet on the race. By the time the thirteenth race (out of
fourteen) rolled around, I'd estimate my wallet to be about $150 lighter than
it was when I walked in. However, good luck reluctantly(?) made it my way as
I hit a trifecta for $300, putting a plus sign where the minus sign was on my
evening - I made a $5 bet on the last race and ran out the door after it
lost.  I told the guys at work that I wouldn't have to punch in on my
night off.. they didn't need the extra help, but they asked if I wanted to
work anyway.
A couple more Dealer Scum envelopes arrived today (Al and Dan, thanks!)
plus a puffy from Brock. Inside were several sharp 63's that proved to be
upgrades save one - a direct hit to the steadily shrinking list. THANKS
I looked over what's left of my list for 1963 - I finally put them in
sheets and a binder today... it looks like I need just about every rookie
stars, league leader and team card except a couple of the biggies. (ALERT:
Easy sets to hit on Ken's list!) I've finally updated my wantlist online
after about 4 months and added the basketball sets I started at The Nats with
the help of Kent Goto. I haven't had a lot of activity on the list up until a
couple weeks ago, but things are turning around now that I'm going to a few
shows and sent out a couple packages.
Speaking of going to shows, there's two that I plan on attending in
September. The first is the Suffolk Downs show on Sept. 6-8. Last year's show
was somewhat of a bust, coming on the heels of the terrorist attacks (in
fact, they still had a lot of the cars towed out of Logan airport in the
parking lot at the track where the show was held). Hopefully this time around
there'll be more dealers and the autograph guests will be able to make it -
I'm sure a lot had to cancel last year when it wasn't possible to fly,
especially into Boston.
The show I'm excited about going to in in Ft. Washington at the end of the
month. It runs from Sept. 27th (happy birthday to me!) until the 29th. I'm
starting a two week vacation in which I plan to travel down to Miami to see
the Patriots play (and hopefully beat) the Dolphins on Oct. 6th. Tenative
stops along the way are planned for Philadelphia (Joe Greco's for the show
weekend), Charlotte (my brother's on the way up and back) and probably
Atlantic City on the return venture... if I have any money left by the time I
get there. I'll bring along the box of hats and would be glad to meet up with
some of you along the way - especially at the FW Show! PLMK if you think you
might make it or if you'd like to meet up at some point in my travels
south/north. My return home is currently slated for 15th or whatever day is
after the holiday that week ;-) Hope to hear from and/or see you soon. TAYL,

Ken M

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 20:29:44 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] No Strike and "Sweet 16"!
To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

You posted your note to the wrong server.  You went to Rambles when it
should have gone to Thanks.  You should be thankful you have major league BB
in the Bay Area.  Here in Detroit we have already guaranteed ourselves of our
9th straight losing season.  I too went to the game Friday night.  We did not
walk up and buy them.  These were corporate season tickets, I was invited to
go.  The other wanted to go out to eat first and we did not get there until
the 3rd inning.  We only stayed until the end, because they had a fireworks
show after the game.  Unfortunately, the post game fireworks were infinitely
more interesting than the game itself.
Mike Rich

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: server administrator?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:29:58 -0400
From: "John Collins" 

Can somebody answer the question for me as to whether or not there is a different
"server administrator" for our ramblings, thanks, and wantlist servers
besides Wayne as webmaster or Steve as wantlist administrator?

I'm going to help out Chris Stufflestreet in getting set up and just wantedto
know in case he needs some help.

Chris, if you're seeing this, then you are further along than I thought -- just
let me know.

John C. Collins

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 22:07:14 EDT
Subject: dealer scums
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I've been picking these out of bargain boxes at shows and off ebay and
throwing them in my dupes box. I just want to clean out my dupes box and
start over at Ft Washington in September - these are priced at or below my
cost. I'll try to include additional hits with any order. Also, be sure to
find something on the waiver wire I posted tonight.

E90-1 Davis (Athletics) $6
E90-1 Stovall (Indians) $6
E91-C Vic Willis HOF $8
E106 Barry $6
E121-120 Davis $4
E121-120 Gleason $4
E210 #22 Heilman HOF $8
T213-2 Hal Chase (Buffalo Federals, Portrait) $4
1935 G-Men #3 "Capturing a Killer and his Gang" $4
1950 Remar Groth $4
1953 Johnston Cookie #23 Gordon $3
1954 Red Heart Ferris Fain $4
1966 or 1967 Kahns Tommy Harper $5

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To: "OBC Ramblings" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Get Brittney Graded?
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 21:07:47 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

We walked by the booth and some guy there gave Wade two different cards. One
had part of her jeans and the other, part of her blouse that she wore at the
Superbowl halftime show. They were having drawings for them all weekend.
I guess they are real enough. Wade's ready to put his on Ebay now.

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Collins
To: OBC Ramblings
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2002 8:09 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Get Brittney Graded?

I had heard of this, but didn't know whether or not to believe it.  Maybethose
of you who went to the National can tell more about this card:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item899313628

John C. Collins

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Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2002 03:06:54 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: TIGERS!
From: "jimbo777777" 

We went to an Oneonta Tigers (NY-Penn, Short Season A) game tonight.
I had no idea until recently how close they were to us, just about an
hour trip.  The Tigers have clinched their division, and were playing
one of the Wild Card contenders, the Mahonning Valley Scrappers, the
Indians affiliate.  The Scrappers were leading 2-0, a nice quiet game
into the 6th.  Then their SS lost a popup in the lights, and the next
guy walked.  The Tigers then started hitting triples into various
outfield gaps.  When the dust settled, it was 6-2.  The Baby Tigers
are a very impressive young team.

The Stadium is ancient, but nice.  Beautiful backdrop of huge
mountains behind the outfield fence.  Great place to watch a game.
Attendance is low, averaging only about 1,000 per game - it's one of
the few parks in America that doesn't sell beer.  Great food, though,
and definitely the cutest concession girls in the league.  I'll
definitely be back for the Playoffs!  Our team, the Tri-City Astros,
had a dismal year, and won't be in it.

I got a ball during batting practice, and bought a cool orange and
black Tigers cap.  Good time.

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:13:10 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] TIGERS!
To: jimbo777777@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Great "Rambling"!

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Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 23:51:01 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Next pre-War Set
To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Probably correct about the regional thing...issues that concern certain teams
or are distrubuted east coast only seem to stay near there with a few
exceptions...cubs cards can be found often in Los Angeles (home of the cubs
spring training for many many years). E-95 and 96 I never see at big shows
here...I am not quite sure why...also when we do see e-cards here they are
often over book...i hate the los angeles card market.
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