================= To: Subject: PSA musings Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:33:43 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I was searching for 1966 high number #524 Giants Rookie card today on Ebay.My last big SCD book says it's worth $22.50. So imagine my surprise to see this PSA 9 card with an opening bid of $195 and a Buy it Now of $430! Where's my checkbook, I must have this card since I'm sure it will appreciate drastically in the future. As much as I hate slabbed cards, at least it keeps all those kind of collectors in one place where they won't bother me... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1833167728 Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:33:36 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Tiger's get together To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Great News, bad news: The Wings (that's Red Wings for those not fans of hockey) are in the Stanley Cup Finals. Unfortunately, Game 3, in Carolina, is scheduled for 8:00 on Saturday, June 8. The OBC Tiger get together is also scheduled for next Saturday, with a plan of going to the Tiger's game at 7:05. I would like to hear from everyone who is planning on attending the get together and whether they still wish to go to the Tiger's game. I would also like to know who is planning on staying over for the night. I would also like to remind everyone to update their OBC lists for ease at the swap session. You can get directions to my house from mapquest or E-mail me. Address: 26020 Radclift Pl., Oak Park, MI. Phone (248) 968-0436. I currently show the following as planning on attending: Myself (Mike Rich) Mark Talbot Earl "Eek" Kilbourne Ron Perry Chuck Paris John McLaughlin Not attending, but honorary status to Glenn Codere. ================= Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 19:29:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Response and a Saturday night to remember From: "rayluurs" Response: Glenn Your letting a little water get into the way of a Tiger outing:-) Last night, I got to a Twins game in which Bert Blyleven got inducted (or indicted as Mickey Hatcher said as he cut off Bert's tie). During the game my wife informed since it means so much that she will help me with plane tickets to Coopertowns when the event happens. (it is a step up since before she thought it was a total useless waste of time as is my collecting) so one out of two isnt bad right now. Once I was at the game (with baseball in hand) I met one of my SABR brethren who works for Major league baseball.com who said he could get me Herb Carneal's autograph. As someone who lived on the plains of South Dakota, and I didnt make it to Minnesota till I was 17 years old, Herb was the one who got me interested in baseball and Twins in partical. When I graduated from high school i went to be a broadcaster in college , and while I ended up getting a BSE and teaching certificate I still wanted to be a I presently got the volenteer(SP) job in SABR group as producer of local cable show and as my first progect i sent letter to Ernie Harwell and Herb to talk about their 60 years of baseball. When Herb was in his youth he started out in Baltimore with Ernie being the other half. Well my friend got caught up in work and so told me me to to other side of boothbecuse he was afraid he would see Herb leave and as I was going to other side like a 10 year old who did I almost run over coming out of another door I wasnt suppose to be looking for but Herb. Not only did he graciously sign my ball but I told him of the letter I sent which he said he had already received and that he thought something could be worked out. So hopefully Ernie can make same commintment. Needless to say after last night the only thing that could top it would be the interview itself. I dont think I have come down yet from tha thigh. ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Tiger's get together Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:05:58 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" I will most certainly be there in spirit, my friends! Share a cold one for me! -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: 02 June 2002 18:34 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Tiger's get together Great News, bad news: The Wings (that's Red Wings for those not fans of hockey) are in the Stanley Cup Finals. Unfortunately, Game 3, in Carolina, is scheduled for 8:00 on Saturday, June 8. The OBC Tiger get together is also scheduled for next Saturday, with a plan of going to the Tiger's game at 7:05. I would like to hear from everyone who is planning on attending the get together and whether they still wish to go to the Tiger's game. I would also like to know who is planning on staying over for the night. I would also like to remind to update their OBC lists for ease at the swap session. You can get directions to my house from mapquest or E-mail me. Address: 26020 Radclift Pl., Oak Park, MI. Phone (248) 968-0436. I currently show the following as planning on attending: Myself (Mike Rich) Mark Talbot Earl "Eek" Kilbourne Ron Perry Chuck Paris John McLaughlin Not attending, but honorary status to Glenn Codere. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Jack in the box Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 17:16:07 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I just heard about something called "Jack in the Box Antenna Heads". These look pretty funny so if possible, I'd like to collect them. Or at leastget one to put on my car (preferably Giants). If anyone sees one, let meknow. I have a list of teams (and cities?) that will appear if anyone isinterested. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: directory Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 18:08:14 -0400 From: "John Collins" Could someone send me the latest copy of the OBC directory (with addresses)if they have that e-mail handy? John C. Collins ================= Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2002 20:11:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philadelphia Athletics Memorabilia From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Everyone! Philadelphia Athletics fans might check out the recent message on the OBC message board. Someone is wondering whether two rainchecks from Games 1 and 2 of the 1930 World Series (Athletics vs. Cardinals) might have some value. Mike W. ================= Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 21:41:03 EDT Subject: Has anyone see Larry Zurawski? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Any word on Larry? Its been a while and I was wondering if he left a note with the AC. I want to see if he got some basketball cards and what his wantlist looks like. Thanks guys... ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Wrong back -- Wrong YEAR! Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:46:39 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I don't remember where I got these but I have a couple of cards here that have one player on the front and another player's stats on the back. In fact, the stats are for another player from another YEAR!! It would be neatto figure out how this happened. If these fit in your collection, LMK. 1) front is 1979 Paul Molitor (Brewers) / back is 1978 Dan Driessen (Reds) 2) front is 1979 Ruppert Jones (Mariners) / back is 1978 Rick Monday (Dodgers). ================= Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 18:33:38 EDT Subject: 71-72 trio sticker panels To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com sometime in the past few months, i seem to remember some discussion about the 3 sticker panels that were included in the 71-72 topps basketball set. can somebody tell me how many NBA and BAA panels there were? i also have a partially dismembered panel with the individual NBA team logos. how many teams were on this panel? was there a separate BAA panel as well? finally, can someone tell me the difference between checklist 144A and 144B? if you didn't see my earlier email, i have added this as my only basketball set, and it appears at the bottom of my football page. finally, if anyone is collecting fleer or upper deck basketball from 93-94, please let me know. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Sport Kings Ruth Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:18:39 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1832864584 Not for the faint of heart...... John C. Collins ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: I may be out of touch for a week or so Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:10:50 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" We are moving this week and getting a new internet service provider. With any luck I should be up and running in a few hundred days. So if you don't hear from me, be patient. I will be back in touch with OBC as soon as I can. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sport Kings Ruth Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:36:47 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" My two cents: I won a couple of lots of non-sport cards from him. Even though I paid him "S&H" over his actual costs, he sent them to me without ANY protection at all -- the cards were in floating in the envelope and some die cuts were damaged. To be fair, other OBCers have had no problem with him as is reflected in his ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sport Kings Ruth http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1832864584 Not for the faint of heart...... John C. Collins To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sport Kings Ruth Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 00:00:21 -0400 From: "John Collins" I was just passing this on -- to be honest, I think the card is a bit high even at $100 for the condition it is in. "Fair?" That is poor if I've ever seen it. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sport Kings Ruth My two cents: I won a couple of lots of non-sport cards from him. Eventhough I paid him "S&H" over his actual costs, he sent them to me without ANY protection at all -- the cards were in floating in the envelope and some die cuts were damaged. To be fair, other OBCers have had no problem with him as is reflected in his ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sport Kings Ruth http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1832864584 Not for the faint of heart...... John C. Collins To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC-Vegas mailing list Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 04:01:58 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Since I have a hard time filing all my email in the right folders and making sure people get copied on every message, how about we create an OBC-Vegas mailing list on yahoo? Anyone can join, including the people who come to LV but aren't in OBC (George Pizzo, Joe Cerullo, Phil). I think this can help me greatly keep on on "Vegas news" plus anyone else who is interested can follow. If I hear no objections, I'll go ahead and set this up. ================= Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 23:16:46 EDT Subject: Fwd: please help! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Can somebody help this person? - Doug Hello. My name is Kristyn Ashley. I am searching for a baseball card from the St. Louis Cardinals under the name of Daniel Clark. He wasn't a star player or anything, but I need to find that card! Please help me!! Please write me back on julietk23@yahoo.com. Thank you! I need to find it a.s.a.p. Kristyn Ashley ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Taking a break Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 13:30:52 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I need to step back and become far less involved in cards than I current am, at least through the end of this month. If you don't hear from me, that's ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: National Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:30:45 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Is there a web page for the national? I'm curious as too when and where it is this year. And if it will ever be on the east coast. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: ebay card description Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 00:01:02 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1831005362 Just had to pass this on....read the description of this '57 Topps card on ebay. I don't think I have ever seen a seller take this much time to describe a card, let alone whip up a few paragraphs like this, some lines even sound like poetry. I was practically drooling to see a picture of the card when I was done reading....but alas......this is a completed auction and the scan is already gone. Doh !! What a gyp ! : John C. Collins ================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 05:18:47 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay card description To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 6/6/2002 12:05:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: << http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1831005362 Just had to pass this on....read the description of this '57 Topps card on ebay. I don't think I have ever seen a seller take this much time to describe a card, let alone whip up a few paragraphs like this, some lines even sound like poetry. I was practically drooling to see a picture of the card when I was done reading....but alas......this is a completed auction and the scan is already gone. Doh !! What a gyp ! : Click on his other auctions and he has the same sort of descriptions for some beautiful 55 Bowmans. This guy is a poet. ================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 06:34:13 EDT Subject: Re: National To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Wed, 5 Jun 2002 15:30:45, "Bob Donaldson" writes: << Is there a web page for the national? I'm curious as too when and where it is this year. And if it will ever be on the east coast. >> Hey everyone, There is not only a web page for the National, but there's even one for the "OBC National" gathering. The one available to the general public is located at http://thenational.net/ and the one detailing our own OBC exploits can be reached by dailing up http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-National/. (You'll need to create a Yahoo profile and also register to join the e-mail server, but the profile part takes five minutes and an e-mail to yours truly will take care of subscribing.) The National does indeed move to the east coast in 2003 - stopping in Atlantic City for what promises to be one of the biggest money drainers in history... at least for me it will be. The combination of potential gambling plus a huge show featuring baseball cards is about the worst one you could come up with to prevent me from maintaining my bank account. No word yet on where it will be in '04, but there's rumors that Boston is a potential candidate. I'm going to lobby for that one TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:48:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: On the road again.... From: "jimbo777777" We're headed out to Cooperstown this evening for a long weekend. Will catch up on thanks etc upon return. A tornado blew through the area last night. My little corner of the mountain missed the worst of it. We basically had a severe thunderstorm, with heavy rain and high winds. We spent an hour in the basement with no electricity, which was off most of the night. But, other than a ton of leaves in the swimming pool, everything looks pretty good this morning. Hold the fort, no wild parties while I'm gone! :-) ================= Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 20:58:21 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Been Out of Service From: Lynn Miller Our phones have been dead for the past 4 days, so got a lot of catching up on email. Sorry if some of you have sent me stuff in the past few days and I haven't responded. Be assured I will in the next couple of days. Now I see why some of you subscribe to the digest version :>) ================= To: "jimbo777777" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] On the road again.... Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:49:06 +0000 From: Just one question, Jim....Did you actually have a swimming pool before you went into the basement? > From: "jimbo777777" > Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2002 10:48:00 -0000 > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] On the road again.... > A tornado blew through the area last night. My little corner of the > mountain missed the worst of it. We basically had a severe > thunderstorm, with heavy rain and high winds. We spent an hour in > the basement with no electricity, which was off most of the night. > But, other than a ton of leaves in the swimming pool, everything > looks pretty good this morning. ================= To: Subject: 1966 Ollie Brown sale Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:10:10 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- The other day I told you I was looking for this card and found it on Ebay in PSA 9 with a minimum bid off $199 - well, it actually sold for $202.50!! SCD says it's worth $22.50. I can't believe somebody paid that much for it...I wish I had dough like that to throw around... Take Care, Geno ================= To: Subject: Biloxi, MS anyone? Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 17:13:22 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I'll be in Biloxi, MS for a couple days to possibly two weeks starting the middle of next week. If anybody wants to hook up that is anywhere close orif you know of any card shops around Biloxi-Gulfport-Mobile, AL, let me know... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 20:22:17 EDT Subject: I guess I have a long way to go on my 1966 OPC set To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, opc-central@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com And to think I've only been collecting up to card #196... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1833665583 Of cousre, I informed the seller. I'll keep you posted. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 01:09:47 EDT Subject: 3 availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- my husband Tim went to a card store today and a dealer was buying a lot of older cards from a walk in customer selling a batch of old cards-After the dealer purchased the cards in the lot was a 53 Bowman color the dealer threw in the trash can because it had a "500" written in ink on the players forehead and the dealer thought the card worthless because of the ink on the front- but it was a 53 bowman so my husband retrieved it out of the trash can. and it's also a hi # - 133-Willie Jones- Tim would like to offer it to anyone in the group collecting the 53 bowman set who might need this hi # until he can obtain an upgrade- i have actually gone to shows and asked dealers if there are cards they don't want because of poor condition and been given cards- if dealers buy a lot of cards and there are damaged or written on ones in the lot some will give you the cards just for the asking if you are a regular customer- i got a 53 topps that way at the show i went to last weekend and would like to make it available to any trader who needs the card- 53 topps # 187- Jim Fridley- card has a 10 mm by 15 mm scuff in the bottom lower left hand corner of the card obliterating the letters "J" & "i'" in Jim- would also like to make this 52 topps available i got in a trash can at the show- # 32- Eddie Robinson- red back- tape mark in upper left hand corner and scuffs on right and left edges but not affecting player- back has no damage- image of player is nice- a good filler for anyone working on 52 topps set- Linda ================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 04:23:27 EDT Subject: amazing fact! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com 1. The sport of choice for the urban poor is BASKETBALL. 2. The sport of choice for maintenance level employees is BOWLING. 3. The sport of choice for front-line workers is FOOTBALL. 4. The sport of choice for supervisors is BASEBALL. 5. The sport of choice for middle management is TENNIS. 6. The sport of choice for corporate officers is GOLF. AMAZING CONCLUSION: The higher you are in the corporate structure, the smaller your balls become ================= Subject: Computer Problems Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:59:00 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: "wierzbickim@ameritech.net" Hi, All! I have had some computer problems lately. The tech support people have told me that there is a problem with my disk operating system, which likely will require that the hard drive be reformatted or replaced entirely. The most annoying problem is that I cannot access any email message that I have saved (including much of the OBC correspondence over the last few years). In any case, I will likely have trouble reading and responding to emails for the next week or two, so please be patient if I don't respond to your message. I am writing this email from my computer at work, but cannot keep upwith all my personal correspondence at the office. Does anyone have the email address or the home address of a collector namedSean, whose ebay user name is something like "wangojango"? I asked the group about him about two months ago. We are in the middle of a trade, and Iowe him some cards. However, since I cannot access his emails, I don't know his email address or home address. Any help would be appreciated. Happy collecting, Mike Wierzbicki mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kurt Toudot - Sportsfest & The National Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 14:51:44 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net Here is some info that I know a few of you can use. Kurt Tourdot, OBC friendly dealer (and then some) will be at Sportsfest in Chicago on June 13th - 16th. His booth number is 608, which is near the front door. He will also be at the National. I don't have the booth number for that yet. I have been told that it is "far away from the door as conceivable." I'll send the number when I get it. That might actually work out good, you can make a beeline for the back of the room while the crowd is still in the front of the room. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll about strikeout records Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:01:36 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Hi all, It's been awhile since I did a poll, and I thought this would be an interesting topic: Will Randy Johnson break Nolan Ryan's single season record of 383 K's this year? (or any other year?) He came very close last year with 372. What's more impressive, is he did it in only 249 innings, wheras Ryan had logged well over 300 innings when he broke Koufax's record in 1973. To me this is a record that is clearly in jeapordy. Also, will Johnson (or anyone else for that matter, Clemens, Pedro Martinez?) have the longevity to threaten Ryan's career strikeout record of 5,714? Clemens, and Johnson just recently, have both already broken Walter Johnson's old alltime record of 3,508 K's which was once considered untouchable. The next rung on the ladder for that pair is Steve Carlton's #2 spot, which is somewhere in the low 4,000's. Clemens has already talked vaguely about only pitching maybe one more year. He will turn 40 soon. Johnson is only a few years yonger, but shows no signs of slowing down with strikeout production. In fact, his best career numbers for K's have come in the last 3 years, getting higher as he gets older. Still, he would have to maintain this ratio (at least 300 K's per year) well into his mid 40's to even approach Ryan. Thought this would be interesting for discussion........have fun !! ================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:46:58 EDT Subject: Missing In Action To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com i will be out of the loop sporadically next week and more frequently for the 2 weeks thereafter, although i will be able to communicate via email. i will try to send out all payback before then, but if i miss you, please be patient. i will get to you as soon as i can. of course, nothing would cheer me up more than to return to piles of wantlist hits! have a great weekend. gary mandell ================= Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 18:08:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tiger get together From: "mikesportsfan" Received an E-mail from Chuck Paris today informing me that he will be unable to attend tomorrow. That leaves us with 5 OBCers plus a buddy of mine. John McLaughlin, Earl Kilbourne, Ron Perry, Mark Talbot, myself and Rocky Mazzaro (non-OBCer, as of now). Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 17:04:34 EDT Subject: Fwd: Question for seller -- Item #1833665583 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, opc-central@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Well, at least the story had a happy ending... ================= Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 15:33:41 EDT Subject: Waiver wire left overs plus To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Just finished sending out the last of claims on my waiver list. Still quite a few left-overs. Don't be shy. Please claim any: June 8, 2002 The following are available. Let me know if you are interested: 1954 #'s Topps # 78g (writing on front) 113g (writing on front) Bowman #'s 3f 4f 56g 119g 131g 151g 163f 190f 1956 #'s 27p(trimmed) 82p(trimmed) 197p(trimmed) 220p(trimmed) 1962 #'s 121g 165f 228g 353f(miscut) 1964 #'s 307g 497g 1965 #'s 66g 280g 342g Topps Embossed 45g 52g 67g 1966 #'s 109g 154vg 154g 181f 279g(marked checklist) 1967 # 's 22ex 38ex 118vg 125vg 170f-g 173g 189vg 334g (Killebrew / Allison) 371g 382g 439vg-ex 523g Dexter Press 250 (Santo) 293 (Pepitone) 1968 #'s 42g 67vg (pencil marked checklist) 432g 1968 Game Cards #'s 10g 11vg 11f 12g 12p(badly trimmed) 14p 15vg 18g 18f 24ex 24g 24f 26vg 28vg 33f 1970 #'s 53vg 81g 81g 89vg 98vg 151vg 159g 161g 173g 173g 178vg 178g 188f 247f 366g 432f(pencil marked checklist) 564g 1970 Topps Story Booklet - 3 (Johnstone) 1971 #'s 6g 24g 25vg 41g 46vg 87vg 92g 92g 106vg-ex 126vg 150vg 153g 174vg 174vg 211g 252f 274g 1972 #'s 24f 142vg 193vg 261vg 506vg 1973 #'s 571f 1974 #'s 42Tvg 348T ex 544T ex 649T ex 1975 #'s 38g 86vg 159vg 263g 263vg 1976 #'s 36vg 98g 178vg-ex 1977 #'s 393vg 477f 590g 1978 # 122vg 1979 #'s 61vg-ex 146vg 168vg-ex 168vg 253vg 511g 705g 1981 Fleer #638vg (Yaz) 1982 Fleer #155ex(Yount) ================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 08:01:09 EDT Subject: West Coast Bound To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, It has been awhile since I have made a rambling email. We (myself, wife and daughter) will be headed to Sacramento, Fri. for a little R & R for eight days. It will be great to get home as it has been over a year since I was last home. I miss my family and close friends who are mostly on the west My agenda as it stands now is: Fri. - Arrive 10:30 A. Open rest of day. Sat. - High school class reunion - This ought to be a trip as I have not seen these people in over 30 years. Sun. - Family reunion with my sister and three brothers and their children and my father for Father's Day. Mon. & Tues. - Headed to Lake Tahoe. We love up it up there. The mountains, fresh air, the scenery, hiking if I can fit it in. Wed. - Open - (except for a couple of hours at my favorite local card shop) Thur. & Fri. - Headed to San Francisco for a ball game Thurs. night naturally. My brother who is a big Giants fan got tickets for all of us. We decided to spend the night in Frisco as the women want to shop till they drop Fri. Anybody know of any card shops in the downtown area of Frisco? Sat. - Sadly headed back to the Midwest. Well, enough rambling. TTYAL, Kent... ================= Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:18:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ramble of Tiger get together From: "mikesportsfan" As if my "thanks" post was not enough of a ramble, about yesterday here goes: Mark Talbot came over Friday around 7:30 to help set up for Saturday. I am a bachelor and it shows. My house usually looks like a bombed out building in Beirut. I had straightened up to some degree but Mark grabs the vacuum and does the living room, the site of the swap session and also swabs down the tables. Refused to do windows or the toilets. It is so hard to get good help! MArk also brought over some boxes of cards, including some set aside for me and others for me to "review" before the others arrived (so I got to pick them over first). Being host has its privileges.!!! We chomped down a couple of Turkey burgers, watched the Tigers get demolished by the team with the worst road record in BB and talked. Mark left around 1:30 am Friday nite, Saturday morning. The get together was scheduled for 2:00 Saturday. Got up early and ran to K-Mart since they were running a promotion to get free TIger tickets for Saturday nite. I got 2, (Ron Perry already had 4 tickets, so I knew we were covered for the game). Mark Talbot also got 4 from K-Marts. By 2:00 I was pretty well set. Some cards had been pulled for each guest. Once, Ron Perry, Eek, John McLAughlin had arrived, I gave the nickel tour. I know the guys were impressed because no one asked for their nickel back. Mark showed up (again) as the tour was ending. (Thanks to Mark & Ron for providing the beer. With my medication I as suppose to stay away from alcohol, so none was in the house). We had been talking for a couple of hours already. As always it seemed like we had all known each other all our lives, even though I had never met Eek or John before. Stories, OBC history (I learned that John arranged for the original version of OBC hats.), berating the Tigers, praising the Red Wingss (GO WINGS!!!!!!!!!!), families, etc. was great. The swapping narrowed my lists even tougher. I did get a few, "Mike your list is hard to hit" comments. Even so, everyone gave me something that goes in the permanent collection. I gave out "door prizes", including autographed photos of Jim Northrup to all who attended and complete sets of 1984 Slurpee Discs of the We timed it just right to get to the game, although we missed the promotion for the first 10,000 fans to get free (beach style) floppy hats. Close game, with the major league debut of another Tiger, Mike Maroth. He pitched 7 shutout innings, but it was against the Phillies. The Tigers brought in Patterson to start the 8th and he promptly blew the lead and the game. A shame the rookie had such an effort wasted. After the game we had a choice of watching the Life and Times of Hank Greenberg at the ballpark or going back to watch the rest of the Wings game. We could have done both, since the Wings game went into 3 overtimes, but we did not stay to watch the movie. We left to go back to my house, but I misled us in the parking garage and it took us a while to find Rocky's van. Back at the house, we had some Turkey burgers and watched the Wings go into overtime. John did not stay for OT and headed back to Ohio, with better directions from me, than he got from Mapquest to get to my house. I think John went to the Saint Al School of Driving Instructions. Eek stayed for the first OT, and then he headed home. Both may have been home before the game ended. Mark continued to scout through Ron adn mine dupe boxes and found some good items. The Wings FINALLY won in the 3rd OT around 1:30 a.m. Rocky took off and Mark did a short time later. As I watched Ecuador take an early lead over Mexico in the World Cup (the game started at 2:25 est) Ron announced he was tired and decided to crash in 1 of the spare bedrooms. I gave up on the game after Mexico tied it up (around 3:00 a.m.) Ron was up around 7:30 a.m. so I joined him. After he had cereal I made us waffles as we watched Japan beat Russia in the World Cup. We did some more searching through our dupe boxes, with my finding some upgrades and Ron making progress on his FB sets, especially 1958 Topps FB. Ron & I went to an OBC friendly dealer, near my house, where he got a few Exhibit cards before heading back home for a 1 1/2 -- 2 hour drive. I got some Salada coins and stopped by the office to catch up on E-mail. Thanks everyone for making it a great weekend (even thought he Tigers lost). We WILL do this again. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:28:10 EDT Subject: OBC Mini To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com While in New Orleans Judy and I had a great time meeting Matt Shirley and his family. Saturday night Matt and Bell came over to downtown New Orleans and we went to Margatitaville (however that's spelled) for dinner. Sunday morning they brought Zack and Hank (ages 7 and 4) over and we went to the aquarium, where they have a membership. We had a great time. I left my dups box at home, but Matt brought over a 66T Jesus Alou and a bio of Joe Dimaggio. I think you'll see some pictures when Matt gets em scanned. We enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks for taking the time Matt. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll about strikeout records Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 22:25:57 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" I correct my stats (through 6/9): Shilling only has 10 walks this year. >From: "John Collins" >To: >Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll about strikeout records >Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 20:22:33 -0400 >Back at you ! >John C. Collins >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joe Isaac" >To: >Sent: Friday, June 07, 2002 1:11 PM >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll about strikeout records > > At his current pace, it looks like Curt Shilling has a better shot at > > Amazing, that Shil only has 8 walks this year! > > > > Johnson is really the only guy that has any chance at Ryan's record. I > > cannot think of any other pitcher who hasn't had any arm trouble who can > > even match Ryan (or Johnson for that matter) in K performance. Once a > > pitcher gets arm trouble, this takes a few years off his chances of > > this record. Ryan and Johnson were both wild pitchers early in their > > careers. So far, they have paralled in the K's as they got older. > > > > Joe > > > > > > >From: "jcollins12" > > >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll about strikeout records > > >Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 08:01:36 -0700 > > > > > > > > >Hi all, > > > > > >It's been awhile since I did a poll, and I thought this would > > >be an interesting topic: > > > > > >Will Randy Johnson break Nolan Ryan's single season record of > > >383 K's this year? (or any other year?) He came very close last > > >year with 372. What's more impressive, is he did it in only > > >249 innings, wheras Ryan had logged well over 300 innings when > > >he broke Koufax's record in 1973. To me this is a record that > > >is clearly in jeapordy. > > > > > >Also, will Johnson (or anyone else for that matter, Clemens, > > >Pedro Martinez?) have the longevity to threaten Ryan's career > > >strikeout record of 5,714? Clemens, and Johnson just recently, > > >have both already broken Walter Johnson's old alltime record > > >of 3,508 K's which was once considered untouchable. The next > > >rung on the ladder for that pair is Steve Carlton's #2 spot, > > >which is somewhere in the low 4,000's. Clemens has already talked > > >vaguely about only pitching maybe one more year. He will turn > > >40 soon. Johnson is only a few years yonger, but shows no signs > > >of slowing down with strikeout production. In fact, his best > > >career numbers for K's have come in the last 3 years, getting > > >higher as he gets older. Still, he would have to maintain this > > >ratio (at least 300 K's per year) well into his mid 40's to even > > >approach Ryan. > > > > > >Thought this would be interesting for discussion........have > > >fun !! > > > > > >John > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:09:13 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Hats and Another Project From: Lynn Miller Hi All, > The 150 hats are done. Be patient, they will get there in time. 50 > have been air-mailed to Ken and I'm working with Ken on how to get the > others there. Airmail is expensive but I know some are needed right > away. Undecided as of now on how how to ship the remainder. Depends on > a number of factors. Just let Ken and I work it out, we don't need any > suggestions thanks anyway. We just need you to be patient. But I > thought you should know the status at least. They are darn nice hats! > You've gotten one great deal here. > Another Project > I've volunteered to help Steve and a few others in trying to create an > effective "search database" for our wantlists. This is still in its > infancy, so bear with us. He gave me some guidance and I started the > effort. My thought was to use the Directory and go to everyone's WL and > cut and paste into a text for Steve to use. But that isn't very > practical since some of the WL are in different formats and there's a > few that can't be copied and pasted. That requires hand transcription > in that case. Too labor intensive for me. Especially with all the > members we have. So I have devised Plan "B" and it will require each of > you to participate just a little. If each of you could just send me an > email that simply lists the years and types of cards (pre-1980 only) > that you are collecting. Then the cut and paste will become a breeze > for me and save a whole lot of time. This is not something you have to > drop everything for. But I'd like the information within a week if > possible. > Example > 1909 T205 (just to let everyone know that Ken does need some of these > :>) > 1933 Goudey > 1948 Leaf > 1951 Topps Redbacks (and I need some of these, pardon the shameless > plug) > 1956 Topps > 1957 Topps > 1958 Topps > 1962 Post > 1965 Topps Embossed > 1972 Topps FB > 1976 OPC HK > List each year separately, not 1952-1979 Topps. Sorry, but necessary > for what we want to do. I think you get the idea pretty well. Nothing > after the year/mfr means of course those are baseball cards. Use FB > (football), BK (basketball), HK (hockey), NS (non-sport) for the others > If I have any questions, I can simply ask. Some of you have pretty > extensive lists so I hope I'm not asking too much. Shouldn't take each > of your more than maybe 15 minutes at most, I hope. If it is too much > for you or you have a question or problem, just let me know. I can work > with anything. But having you send me something will definitely save me > a whole lot of time. > Thanks for both you patience and your help, Lynn ================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:06:07 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [Fwd: Unable to deliver your message] From: Lynn Miller Date: 10 Jun 2002 12:58:16 -0000 To: lynnm@piol.net From: Yahoo! Groups Subject: Unable to deliver your message We are unable to deliver the message from to . Your email account has been bouncing mails. This means that emails sent to your account over several days have been returned to us. This is sometimes because mail boxes are filled up, or because of configuration problems. To reset your Yahoo! Groups account, please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs?edit=2 For further assistance, please email support@yahoogroups.com or visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: V sighting Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:59 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" For the newer folks, Eric V was in OBC but left 5 (?) years ago. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sicxthree@aol.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: Gum Inc. Wild West Rough cond. Item name: Gum Inc. Wild West Rough cond. Item number: 2108459723 Final price: $2.80 End date: Jun-08-02 16:17:36 PDT Number of bids: 2 Seller User ID: altairthree Seller email: sicxthree@aol.com High-bidder User ID: srittenberg High-bidder email: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Thank you for your winning bid. Please add shipping ($2 for 1st class US Mail, $4 for Priority Mail or $6 for Priority Mail insured) to the final bidand forward payment via PAYPAL, check or money order made to Altair Antiques and send to: Altair Antiques c/o Eric Vaituzis 19352 Sandy Lake Drive Gaithersburg, MD, 20879 When you have received the item please contact me if there is a problem, orleave feedback. Whenthe transaction has been completed I will do the same. If you have not chosen to insure the shipping please be aware there is no recourse if the package arrives damaged or if the US Postal Service loses it. THANKS AGAIN ================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:59:32 EDT Subject: Trader Doug and The Corps at Margaritaville! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Trader Doug Smith and his great wife Judy were here in the Big Easy last week and we got the chance to hook up for a Saturday night dinner at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville down in the French Quarter. I have attached a picture for those interested in such things. Left to right are Trader Doug himself, Me, (now the good part) my lovely wife Belle, and Doug's lovely wife Judy. We even got to hook up again on Sunday morning for a jaunt through the local aquarium with my kids Zane and Hank. Doug and Judy were very patient. I bet they are grandparents. It was a true pleasure to get to meet and spend time with Doug and Judy. OBC, gotta love it! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:51:27 -0400 (EDT) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com (mikesportsfan) Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Tiger thanks From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 18:51:46 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Tiger thanks ================= Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:52:30 EDT Subject: Need some help.. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com And what is a better place than OBC! My company is holding an event for PC Expo here in NY and out guests of honor are Howard Cross (of the football Giants) and Ralph Branca (Bobby Valentine's father-in-law, oh yeah he also gave up some famous homer). I could use some cards of these guys if anyone has some lying around. Only request is that the card is fairly flat on the front for an autograph. My availables list is posted and I'll do my best to get some hits out to those lists. This transfer to NYC has really taken time away from cards, but as soon as things get back to normal, I'll get cracking! If anyone has a Thompson, I'd love it also, would make a great framed pic! Thanks as always folks! ================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 03:08:25 EDT Subject: This Week in Baseball Cards Pt 2 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com It all started off innocently enough, I printed directions from Mapquest from my house to Mike Rich's house. Total distance: 72.04 miles, total estimated time: 1 hour, 26 minutes. I looked over the directions, it looked easy enough. I left around 12:30, planning on arriving at Mike's house around 2:00 PM. Little did I know the horrors that awaited. I-280 North to I-75 43.78 miles, exit number 41. Problem: this was the day that the Michigan DOT decided to close I-75 just South of exit 41. The detour took me off I-75 to US 24 Telagraph Road for what seemed like 100 miles to I-94 East back to I-75 Southbound. After making my way through much road construction and backed up traffic I finally reached exit 41 and proceeded onto MI-39 (16.94 miles). By now it was after 2:00 PM but I was back on track. Problem: after about 13 miles the three lane hi-way became reduced to one lane. Another traffic back up, I called Mike on my cell phone to let him know I was running late. I finally got to my next exit, 10 mile road, by now it's about 2:45PM, but I'm getting close. Next turn according to Mapquest: Turn right onto Greenfield Road. Problem: I really needed to turn left on Greenfield Road, of course you can't turn left in Michigan you have to turn right then take one of those clever little U-turn thingies that they're so found of up there, but my directions didn't say that, so I spent another half hour looking for Lincoln St. with no luck. By now it's after 3:00, and I call Mike again. He gets me headed in the right direction and after a couple more missed turns I finally make it, arriving around 3:30. Three hours, or twice the time I thought it would take, but Mike made it all worth while. Ron Perry and Earl Kilbourn were there allready and soon Mark Talbot showed up. We were all treated to the grand tour, very impressive. Mike has rooms full of stuff, really cool stuff. We then got to swapping cards, I brought my dupes hoping everyone would find some needed cards in my meager dupes, but I'm affraid I came up short on my end of the giving part and heavy on the taking part, so now I owe even more people more cards. Mike's friend Rocky showed up and since he had a van and he knew where he was going, he became the designated driver for the six of us to the Tiger's Phillies game. We had great seats just three rows from the rail on the left field side. It was a good game but of course the Tigers lost. After the game we returned to Mike's house to watch the Red Wings. After the first OT I headed back home, this time with good directions from Mike which took me right home on I-275 without any problems. All in all I'd have to say I had a great time, and I thank all for the great cards and even more for the great friendship. I very much enjoyed the company of Mike (the scalper), Ron, Mark and Earl, what a great bunch and what a pleasure to have met four OBCers, that makes the total OBCer met at six now, and they are all great friends. OBC, it's an attitude John's Old Baseball Card Site ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: availables Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 07:16:13 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Hi all, Recently found these cards in my desk at work. They are available first come, first serve: 1956 Topps: #50, Dusty Rhodes - vg/ vg-ex #70, Jim Rivera - poor (appears ex-mt, but trimmed) 1959 Topps: #302, Don Mossi - all borders trimmed away. Let me know if you need 'em. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kurt Toudot - Sportsfest & The National (more info) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:14:18 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net Once again, some info on a couple of shows that Kurt Tourdot, OBC friendly dealer will be at in the near Kurt will be at Sportsfest in Chicago on June 13th - 16th. His booth number is 608, which is near the front Kurt will also be at this year's National. Kurt's booth number at the National is #168. It is listed under the name Jerry Nelson Enterprises. Kurt says the booth is "as far away from the door as conceivable." Many of you know that Kurt specializes in the kind of cards we like and offers a discount for OBC members. Just mention that you're a memeber. And, as an added bonus for those of you who have read this far: "And please tell the OBCers that in addition to the standard discount, mention that they saw your e-mail and get $10 worth of free stuff. You can't beat that." If you've never dealt with Kurt before, many members here can vouch for him. I'm sure a few could even claim him as a dependant on their tax returns. :) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: directory Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:22:20 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I hate to keep doing this, but could somebody send me a copy of the latest OBC directory again? I forwarded mine from home to work this morning so I could send some cards out, but of course my e-mail at work says the file is too large to open or something like that. I am running an emulator program that will pull my home e-mail for me here at work, but since I didn't send the directory that I used this morning from this program, I can't access it (pretty screwed up, huh?) Anyway, I would appreciate it. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: HEADS UP!! 1965 OPC Baseball lot Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:03:20 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Mr Rainsley's buddy, up there in Canada eh?, TigerDave has a nice lot of 41 1965 OPC cards on ebay. Currently no bids - starting price $24.99, eh? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1834770669 Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Glenn Codere" Subject: HEADS UP!! 1965 OPC Baseball lot Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:51:13 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Dave had a run at trying to flog them on Yahoo first...no takers! Not bad looking cards though.... On another note, where has the '62 Sporting News managed to land? Haven't heard about it for a while... Grant (eh?) Mr Rainsley's buddy, up there in Canada eh?, TigerDave has a nice lot of 41 1965 OPC cards on ebay. Currently no bids - starting price $24.99, eh? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1834770669 Glasgow, Scotland To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:01:51 EDT Subject: Last Topps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I have to tell someone who cares that today I put away the last regular issue Topps card in my sets -- the 1952 Topps Vinegar Bend Mizell. (I am not counting the Red Backs and Blue Backs I am still searching for!!!). The seller sent me a note and I thought you might enjoy this excerpt: "I've had this card since I was 9 years old. I'm now 59! I lived in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and my mom would give me 25 cents to put in the church collection plate. I was nuts about baseball so I would put 5 cents in the plate and run to the store after the service and buy 4 packages of cards. I don't feel the least bit guilty? Enjoy the card, and give it a good home. If you ever come to the Pacific NW let me know and maybe we could go to a Mariners game and brag to each other about our collections." If I didn't have the patience to wait for an OBCer to complete this set, I am sure glad it was this Canuck. He deserves an honorary OBC membership!!!! Take care, ================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:41:42 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC FATCATS MEET From: Originaleek@webtv.net Just read reMarks from Talbot regarding the First Annual Trip to Comerica And Trading Session. Since I only put in a couple Mills worth previously, I thought I would add the rest of my two cents worth. First, I want to echo the sentiments of the others, and again thank Mike for a great job hosting. The directions he provided were excellent and I arrived a fashionable 15 minutes late for the scheduled 2:00 start. Mike welcomed me into what I later would discover was a baseball card and memorabilia museum and storage area masquerading as a house. Mike introduced me to Ron Perry bringing to three the number of OBCers I had met to that point. The three of us were chatting like we were old friends when the first of several call came from John McLaughlin. "Mike, this is John, we have a problem here." Keeping his cool and in a reassuring tone Mike responded "John, Mike here, I have Ron and Earl standing by, give me your coordinates and I'll bring you in." Preliminary instructions were provided and after a tense black-out period John finally reconnected and was expertly guided in by Mike. John was warmly welcomed, introduced, and immediately provided with something for hydration. Since Mark had been to Mike's previously, we took the tour without him. There were books, cereal boxes, glasses, cups, games, all manner of novelty items, but mostly cards. To give a sense of the enormity of his collection, Mike had one room the size of my entire "Tigers Den" that he called "my dupes room". Boxes, no actually there were crates, of cards. Then he took us across the hall where he opened a double doored closet stacked with cards of all sorts, many of which I had never actually seen, but only heard rumors about there existence. Somewhere between Pre-war and autograph baseballs Mark Talbot appeared. Shortly after, Mike announced, let the swapping begin. Cards were flying around the room faster then meteors in a Star Wars movie. Being a neophyte at these trading sessions, I didn't keep real good track of who gave me what cards. I'm sure Ron Perry gave me a 58T Maxwell and a 57T Small and I found a couple 56's in his dupes box. From John came a couple very much appreciated 54T's. Mark gave me a starter card for my yet to be posted Tigers 54B set, an autographed Charlie Maxwell photo (with copies), and a bunch (28) of Al Kaline Story cards I plucked out of his dupes box. I also helped myself to some newer Cobb & Greenberg cards. The best I can remember from Mike is 4 Tiger Bowman TV's, a 62 Post Canadian Maxwell. I think he gave me a 62 Post American too, but when he found out I had one already he suggested I give it to John. I think I had already given one to John, but I'm not sure, all I know is that everyone got and gave in true OBC fashion. Oh, yeah, we went to a baseball game and watched several periods of the Red Wings playoff game #3. to be continued.............. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:13:54 EDT Subject: Fwd: Chico Diamond Match Baseball Team To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com From: Chicolini1@aol.com Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:12:51 EDT Subject: Fwd: Chico Diamond Match Baseball Team To: ChicoD1@aol.com ================= To: , Subject: 2002 natl. aug 6 to aug 11 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:19:25 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" The Natl. is 2 short months away. The dates are Aug 6th to Aug 11th. >From the early talk this could be the largest gathering of OBCers at one time (18 at Ft. Wash in Dec of 97 still holds the record). Ken is looking into a place to hold the swap sesion on Sat. night close to the show. We had talked about doing at my place, but decided it would be best to keep it near the show. ON FRIDAY THE 9TH Denise & I will have a cook out at the house. We are about 45 min. from the natl. and about 15 min. from all Major interstates in the area. I-80, I-94, I-57, I-65, I-294, I-394. (we are in St. John In.) Directions to follow in future e-mails. ALL are invited to attend. Those who have their families with them are invited to bring all along (wifes, husbands, kids) bring them all. This get together will officially start mid afternoon on Friday and end when the last one leaves. (unoffical start is much early in the week with Ken M. arriving at the house on Mon. or Tues. and ex OBCer Joe Cerullo ariving on I will need to try and compile a list of who plans to make it to the house on Friday ( I understand plans can change), but Denise needs a rough idea if it's 8 or 80. It will be chance to meet some new faces for all I'm sure. Send me an e-mail with your Natl. plans, and I'll try and keep updated lists posted of who's doing what. David Kolenda (I GOT UM, YOU NEED UM, YOU GET UM) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: IT'S A BOY! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:40:38 -0400 From: abaran@perriergroup.com Evan Harrison Baran Born June 12, 2002 @ 5:34 a.m. Central 6 lbs. 15 oz. 19.5 inches Baby is perfectly healthy Mommy is recovering well from surgery Daddy is a complete mess Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters of North America (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) ================= To: "'abaran@perriergroup.com'" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] IT'S A BOY! Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 16:38:42 -0400 From: Mark Talbot Way too cool!!! Congratulations Andy - now you and the Mrs. get some rest!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: abaran@perriergroup.com [mailto:abaran@perriergroup.com] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:41 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] IT'S A BOY! Evan Harrison Baran Born June 12, 2002 @ 5:34 a.m. Central 6 lbs. 15 oz. 19.5 inches Baby is perfectly healthy Mommy is recovering well from surgery Daddy is a complete mess Andy Baran Nestl=E9 Waters of North America (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 20:01:51 EDT Subject: DL for Mandell To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com well, in an effort to stay healthy, in the past year i have herniated two discs in my lower back, and just recently, 2 in my neck. while physical therapy has relieved the first injury, this recent injury hasn't responded to treatment. so, i am undergoing the knife in the morning. i just got swamped with hits this week. after being all caught up, a dozen packages arrived this week, and another 6 are expected, plus, the usual surprises we always seem to get in this group. in any case, i was able to get 7 paybacks out today, but clearly, i am behind. my time spent on cards could be spotty over the next few weeks, so if you are waiting for returns, please be patient. any prearranged trades have been sent out. i will get to the rest as soon as i can, and definitely before the end of the month. tnx to a great group! i will read the emails daily and hope to be back soon. tnx, gary mandell ================= Subject: Trimmed 56 Clemente on eBay Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:10:06 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1835102471 OBC style! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: , Subject: Natl. update Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:58:34 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Thought it would be a few days before I did an update, but a lot of e-mailhas come in since last night. So here's the latest. The swap session is booked in Elk Grove Village at the Best Western/Midway Hotel (1600 Oakton St., Elk Grove Village). FRIDAY COOKOUT (Saint) Al Cummings " will be there" staying across from the show, looking for a ride to cookout Gary Mandell " I plan to be there" Doug & Judy Smith "will try to be there" Doug has to be in Mich. on Sat. hopes to make the cookout on his way to Mich. Mike Wierzbicki "hopes to be there" James & Abbie Molta "Pencil in 2 and I will confirm " Tim Newcomb "hope to attend your cookout" Earl & Phyllis Kilbourn "I will probably be bringing my wife" Ken Morganti will be here for a week Kent Goto " I plan on attending your cookout." Joe Cerullo (ex OBCer) " arrives on Thurs." Mr. and Mrs. Ron Perry Ron has to work till 4 on Friday 3 our time. Will try and make it. Thats the list as of tonight, If I missed anyone who has sent an e-mail, please let me know. EEK asked, what if it rains. NO PROBLEM, HAVE A LARGE GARAGE and BASEMENT ================= To: Subject: Possible Virus Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:44:52 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" All- Neal Thomas got an email from me with a large attachment....I have not sent anything like this out, so if you get it, just delete it without opening it. The only thing that is large that I have been sending is the OBC Directory, and that is not an attachment, just a regular email. My Norton says my computer is clean...anybody know if a virus can be passed on even if it doesn't get into the innards of your own machine? I have heard of viruses that get into your address book, but Neal isn't in mine...as a matter of fact, there are only about 5 people in the world in there. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 00:46:44 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 402 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Hi Everyone - I will soon be joining Andy and many others in daddy-land ! Now I know that I was never in the same league as Ken M, but I have been pretty quiet even for myself lately as we get prepared (ha ha ha, like we are ever going to be prepared !). My wife is due in mid-July, and there is so much to do ! One good thing is that I will be able to use a big chunk of my unused sick leave to be at home with my family. So I will continue to be pretty quite for a while ! US EPA made a big announcement today about a planned rollback to a key air quality program - you can hear the story at http://news.npr.org/, under US News, and I expect that it will be in most local papers. If you are interested in environmental issues and/or children's health and public health, you would probably be interested in this story. Not much sports news to share - I even missed most of the Stanley Cup finals because I had to wait almost 3 hours for a medical apt. I just try to remind myself that wife & baby-to-be are fine, heck even our cat is happy, and tomorrow will be better .... Ok, I think this qualifies as rambling already !! In a message dated 6/13/2002 8:38:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:40:38 -0400 > From: abaran@perriergroup.com > Subject: IT'S A BOY! > Evan Harrison Baran > Born June 12, 2002 @ 5:34 a.m. Central > 6 lbs. 15 oz. > 19.5 inches > Baby is perfectly healthy > Mommy is recovering well from surgery > Daddy is a complete mess > Andy Baran > Nestl=E9 Waters of North America > (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) > (630) 988-3501 (Cell) > (419) 715-2406 (Fax) > abaran@perriergroup.com ================= To: Subject: bouncing emails Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 22:29:21 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Guys and Gals, Could someone explain this latest phenomenon in email where I lose out on my precious OBC email from Wantlist, Thanks and Ramblings due to what Yahoo groups calls bouncing...????? This has happened to me every few weekdays and nearly every weekend for thelast 3wks. Is there something that I can do to prevent this, rather than going to Yahoo groups and re-activating? Their support on this topic is dreadfully Should I notify my ISP that I use these servers and is their something thatthey can do ? I just remembered that the last time I typed out a ramble about this topic,it got refused, so I wrote out a very short test message next...which got through to at least a few of you. No need to reply if you see this ramble, unless you wish to commiserate that it happens to you too, or you have a great plan to overcome the bouncing.... Thanks so much OBC ! ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:40:53 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Very Sad, Sad News From: Lynn Miller I received the following email just now from Roberta Redpath, she asked me to share this with you. I'm very saddened to do so. Please put Rick and Roberta and their family in your thoughts and prayers for a recovery and to give them the strength to get through this ordeal. Lynn Dear Lynn, I am sending you this message to update you on Rick and his condition. I am not sure how much he was able to tell you this spring, but Rick is suffering from a type of Brain Cancer called Glioblastoma Multiforme. tumor was/is located on the part of his brain primarily responsible for speech and communication. He responded quite well after his first and we began radiation with high hopes. However, things have not gone as we had hoped, and Rick is back in the hospital. We are anticipating a surgery very soon to help alleviate a great deal of swelling in addition the likelyhood of more tumor. He is unable to read or write, and has for some time. I want you to know that you and all of his baseball are still on his mind and although he cannot act on it, he thinks of you often. Please spread the word and keep him in your prayers. Roberta Redpath email: raredpath@hotmail.com ================= To: lynnm@piol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Sad, Sad News Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 08:34:35 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Our prayers for the Redpath's. Joe and Marina Isaac >From: Lynn Miller >To: OBC Ramblings >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Sad, Sad News >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 19:40:53 +0800 >I received the following email just now from Roberta Redpath, she asked >me to share this with you. I'm very saddened to do so. Please put Rick >and Roberta and their family in your thoughts and prayers for a recovery >and to give them the strength to get through this ordeal. Lynn >Dear Lynn, >I am sending you this message to update you on Rick and his condition. >I am not sure how much he was able to tell you this spring, but Rick is >suffering from a type of Brain Cancer called Glioblastoma Multiforme. >tumor was/is located on the part of his brain primarily responsible for >speech and communication. He responded quite well after his first >and we began radiation with high hopes. However, things have not gone >as we >had hoped, and Rick is back in the hospital. We are anticipating a >surgery very soon to help alleviate a great deal of swelling in addition >the likelyhood of more tumor. He is unable to read or write, and has >for some time. I want you to know that you and all of his baseball >are still on his mind and although he cannot act on it, he thinks of you >often. Please spread the word and keep him in your prayers. >Roberta Redpath >email: raredpath@hotmail.com Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 09:30:58 EDT Subject: Fwd: What am I missing? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com From: Brockhattox@cs.com Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 21:42:08 EDT Subject: What am I missing? To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net Take a look at eBay 1835408731 and the other SP 1949 Leaf auctions the seller had tonight. How am I ever going to finish this set? The price guide means nothing to some of these bidders. Hope you are well, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Orioles Fans and Fleer Stickers Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:37:04 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" Two separate ramblings in one: 1) Any really true blue Orioles fans out there, ESPECIALLY from the 50s through the 70s, let me know why you are the truest and bluest Oriole fan from those decades and you will receive the grand prize. 2) I'd asked this before and got no response so thought I'd give it one more shot. Can anyone tell me how to identify the Fleer stickers from the late 80s early 90s? I have a bunch. Some with team name and statistics, some with the same All-Star cartoon look that they did in 70 and 71; some say Grand Slam Hi Gloss on the front, some have a picture of I think Yankee Stadium on the reverse when you put the 40 or so cards together to make a collage, and it has World Series in really psychodelic script. Lots of types. Any help? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:29:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: What am I missing? From: "obc_ken" --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., brockhattox@c... wrote: > Steve suggested I post this and see if any of you have any ideas on > 1948/9 Leaf SP's at reasonable/book prices. > Thanks for any help, > Brock > Steve, > Take a look at eBay 1835408731 and the other SP 1949 Leaf auctions the seller > had tonight. How am I ever going to finish this set? The price > means nothing to some of these bidders. > Hope you are well, > Brock I wish I had some advice to give you about this set other than try to get very, very lucky... The truth is that I have just two of the SP's from the set myself. One is the one you sent me and the other is from a trade I made with Brett Domue. My end of the trade was three or four 1952 Topps high numbers and I still got the better end of the deal I think. These just don't show up too often. Most of them I haven't even seen. I'll probably end up like most collectors and consider the set finished (after I find a cheap Spahn RC) without all of the SP's. There's a few sickos out there that are working on the complete set and they normally get into bidding wars with each other over the tough cards. The price guide is just plain wrong on them - they're way undervalued (even at a few hundred bucks each) considering how scarce they seem to be. If the guides were anywhere close to being accurate, you would see them about as often as the '52 Topps high numbered commons and it's not even close to being the case. Unfortunately, I think your best chance for completing the set is to wait for an already completed one to pop up on eBay and take out a second mortgage :-( I wonder how many of them are actually out ther ================= To: Subject: Rick Redpath Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:49:50 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" May I suggest an OBC-style onslaught of Get Well Wishes for Rick? Might keep his spirits up if Roberta can take an armload of emails from us to show him we are thinking of him... Roberta's email address is raredpath@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:22:14 EDT Subject: 1952 Topps Willie Mays To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Here's a fun(ny looking) card that I imagine might be on a few wantlists... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1835510942 Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:26:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: bouncing emails From: "alcattle" All I know is the Yahoo Group servers are, in techical terms,"screwy" I had the bounce problem. So I changed some of the groups to send to another email address. They started comiong in fine but now they won't accept mail from the same address. Sometimes I can't log on the web site but other times I can get on though the back door. What do you expect for free?!? Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Brian Lindholme" wrote: > Guys and Gals, > Could someone explain this latest phenomenon in email where I lose out on my precious OBC email from Wantlist, Thanks and Ramblings due to what Yahoo groups calls bouncing...????? > This has happened to me every few weekdays and nearly every weekend for the last 3wks. Is there something that I can do to prevent this, rather than going to Yahoo groups and re-activating? Their support on this topic is dreadfully vague. > Should I notify my ISP that I use these servers and is their something that they can do ? > I just remembered that the last time I typed out a ramble about this topic, it got refused, so I wrote out a very short test message next...which got through to at least a few of you. No need to reply if you see this ramble, unless you wish to commiserate that it happens to you too, or you have a great plan to overcome the > Thanks so much OBC ! > Brian ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:28:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Rick Redpath From: "alcattle" Sounds like a good idea, do you think we can finish one of his sets off? I would contribute heavily or run the mailing if needed. I suggest either the 55'T or 59'T from looking at his short list. Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Grant Rainsley" wrote: > May I suggest an OBC-style onslaught of Get Well Wishes for Rick? Might keep > his spirits up if Roberta can take an armload of emails from us to show him > we are thinking of him... > Roberta's email address is raredpath@h... > Grant ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 22:30:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1952 Topps Willie Mays From: "alcattle" That would be a tough one. What is 1% of book value? Someone "really" want this card bad? Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., Jrhatchjr@a... wrote: > Here's a fun(ny looking) card that I imagine might be on a few > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1835510942 > Happy Collecting! > Jim ================= Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:25:03 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. update To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com All - I will know sometime this weekend if Margaret and I will be in Chicago for the National, it all depends on her getting time off from work. We hope to combine the National with a trip to her parents in Milwaukee. Who is staying where? I would like to get a hotel near the National for a few days and try to attend the swap session as well as a visit to the new "Vault" and barbecue at David's! Please email me with where you are staying and when. Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 09:55:05 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Ted Lyons From: Lynn Miller OK, somebody help me. I remember from way back there's a connection among us. But I searched the HOM list, Favorite Players, and did a quick (real quick so I could have overlooked it) scan of the bio's for a mention, but came up empty. Who has it? Thanks, Lynn ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Ignacio, Are your ? Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 23:35:03 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Anybody else hit by a deluge of junk mail recently? Didn't know where it was coming from, but the subject line below makes me believe they picked us off the obc website. Anybody know a way to prevent this? >Subject: Ignacio, Are your creditors harassing you about late payments? >Date: 6/14/2002 8:59:00 PM Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:53:01 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Paul White From: Neal Thomas Hey all- If any of you read Paul White's articles in Baseball Weekly, he has started a grass roots effort to send Bud Selig a message--vote early and often for Twins and Expos for the All-Star teams. It seems to have taken hold, as these guys are slowly creeping up the charts. So why don't we help him out, and submit up to 25 votes at MLB.com for the two teams who were almost gone this year. ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:18:18 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tiger gathering cont: From: Originaleek@webtv.net Our heads were spinning from our tour of the Mikes Museum of Collectibles and all the card trading, Rocky was he only one that could be trusted to drive to Comerica Park. During the drive Mike regaled us with a story about his encounter with the Criminal Justice System. I do not feel at liberty to reveal details of his nefarious activities, however I think Mark took meticulous notes. We arrived a bit to late to get a free floppy hat, but at least the Tigers kept the game close before Management blew it with some very questionable moves. After we played a rather suspenseful game of "where the hell did we park?" we were on our way back to Mike's for Turkey Burgers & Red Wing play-off Hockey. I think Mark, Ron & Mike did some clandestine trading, but I was too preoccupied with the game to know for sure. Since I was expecting an early morning visit from a couple of my grand-kids, I decided to leave after the second overtime. I was very close to home when the professor ended it all with a nice backhander. All in all it was a great afternoon/evening/night/early morning! If I may be so bold as to use this venue to thank Rich again for a great outing and the door prizes I forgot to mention earlier: a Tiger set of 84 Slurpee coins, a page of 69 MLBP Photostamps featuring Lolich, a Detroit News, Joe Louis Arena Extra featuring the Stanley Cup Finals and an autographed photo of Jim Northrup. Now, as if the preceding was not enough, we didn't even have to pay for the Tiger tickets. Mike said he and Mark got them free at K-Mart. Given Mike's past history with tickets, scalpers & such, I am dubious but appreciative just the same. For those of you still reading this Rambling, your reward (or punishment?) is the official Tiger Get-together Photo that can be accessed below. We keep what we give away! http://community.webtv.net/OriginalEEK/doc ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 15:36:18 EDT Subject: 2002 National Sportscard Collectors Convention - Chicago To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I've been asked to write up a short note about this year's upcoming National in Chicago. Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to make it very short, but I will give you all the information I have at this point. For those of you who may be new to OBC, there's one thing we all have in common (besides making fun of TPLY) and that's a passion for collecting little pieces of old beat up cardboard. Now the annual event geared specifically for creatures of habit such as us is The National Convention. Each year (that's what makes it an annual event) hundreds of dealers gather together in one location to offer the most recent collecting innovations (yawn) as well as displaying the oldest classics of the hobby for our viewing pleasure. The best thing about this is we can take home the souveniers of our choice for a small fee (or a hefty price if you desire something like what I have left on my wantlist). More infomation on this event can be found at http://thenational.net but here's the basic rundown of the event(s): Place: Donald E. Stephens Center in Rosemont, IL Dates: Aug. 6th-11th Times: Thu. 11-7; Fri. 11-7; Sat 9-6; Sun. 9-5 Admission: $10/day or all inclusive VIP package for $89 (Thursday is FREE admission day and Friday is Kids (under 15) Free day) Please join me along with a cast of thousands (most of which will be total strangers) for what should be the one of the defining moments in your collecting experience. On that note, there's a couple other events that may not have as much national attention, but are directly related to the National Convention. Please mark your calendars, call in sick from work, take a vacation and/or do whatever it takes to attend these events if you can. ***OBC Cookout*** Place: David Kolenda's House (St. John, IN) Date: Friday Aug. 9th Time: 'mid afternoon' according to David... (is that about 3'ish?) until the last one leaves Admission: FREE to everyone by invitation only - if you're reading this, consider yourself officially invited. Recommended: Bring your apetite Menu: (To be determined, but I'm guessing cookout type food ) RSVP David Kolenda at dkolenda@surfnetinc.com if there's even an outside shot you might attend. Directions to the house will be forwarded to this server in the near future. Right now we have 15 confirmed (or at least pretty sure) OBC'ers plus a few more guests expected to attend, but "there's plenty of room for more" according to David. Newbies in OBC are especially encouraged to attend. It's always great to put a face with the screen names you interact with every day. Don't worry, most of us don't bite. (Just don't come between me and a plate of Mike's ribs in Vegas and you should be fine.) Hats will be distributed all weekend as well. ***OBC Swap Session*** Place: Midway (Best Western) Hotel (1600 Oakton St., Elk Grove Village, IL) Date: Saturday Aug. 10th Time: 7PM (or right after the show lets out, whichever comes first) to midnight (but I think we might be able to stay a couple hours longer if Admission price: None! Recommended: Bring your dupes box, wantlist, and a willingness to accept a boatload of cardboard thrown at you from all directions to add to your collection ;-) Menu: Pizza and soda will be provided courtesy of our generous host Kevin Savage. I will find out his table number at the show, so you will be able to express your appreciation personally. No outside food allowed however. I'm guessing other menu items are available at room service prices - the hotel is catering, so the room is free. Even though there's a lot less tables, this event is normally even better than the show. The prices are always much more reasonable and the 'dealers' are always very friendly. Past activities at the swap have included card flipping sessions, pack wars, and special no minimum bid auctions (no bidding whatsoever actually). If you can attend just one event this year, make it this one. Excuses for not attending may be sent to me at cardclctor@aol.com but they WILL NOT be accepted. To keep up with the latest developments and breaking OBC stories regarding The National, you can subscribe to a special e-mail server ( OBC-National@yahoogroups.com) devoted at least somewhat exclusively to these events. Simply reply to me and I'll set you up with that. Well, I really can't think of anything to add at the moment, so I'll return you to your normally scheduled ramblings. Hope to see you in Chicago - it's only seven weeks away! TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:51:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick REdpath attack From: "alcattle" Seems we have enough people interested to get started trying complete Rick's 59 Topps set. Send all the cards you have to me ASAP and I will send the rest of the cards he needs to him. Also send me a list of what you send so we can keep a list updated. 59 Topps 150, 163, 317, 430, 450, 464, 478, 514, 515, 527, 533, 543, 553, 559, 561, 562, 563, 564, 567 Between my dups and my set this is what I show as being left to get. PLease do what you can to make Rick feel better in this small way. Big Al in Seattle ================= To: , Subject: The Natl.(rumored news) Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 20:04:09 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" With the crowd growing for the Natl, and Fridays cookout, negotiations are under way to fly in our OBC head chef ("don't call me a cook") for the weekend. (Actually the problem is, Ken's spending the week at my place and it takes a person just to cook for him). Details to follow as information is gained. David K ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 22:28:17 EDT Subject: Successful Method to Remove Paper Glued to Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com This worked for me tonight on a T card that been glued to another piece of paper a long, long time ago judging by the writing on the secondary piece of I soaked the card in a bowl of lukewarm water for 2 hours and then the parasite paper just slid right off revealing a nice condition back with no damage. The card is drying right now between two pieces of tissue paper underneath a heavy book. Another OBCer told me this technique, I think it was ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 10:27:22 +0800 To: alcattle Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick REdpath attack From: Lynn Miller Hi Al, I'll be sending you the Kaline AS #562, Tipton of course. I was saving it for his birthday, but this is more significant. Thanks for doing this, Lynn alcattle wrote: > Seems we have enough people interested to get started trying complete > Rick's 59 Topps set. Send all the cards you have to me ASAP and I > will send the rest of the cards he needs to him. Also send me a list > of what you send so we can keep a list updated. > 59 Topps > 150, 163, 317, 430, 450, 464, 478, 514, 515, 527, 533, 543, 553, 559, > 561, 562, 563, 564, 567 > Between my dups and my set this is what I show as being left to get. > PLease do what you can to make Rick feel better in this small way. > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 02:44:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's list update From: "alcattle" 59 Topps 150, 163, 430, 450, 464, 514, 515, 527, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564, 567 Thanks Mike W, Earl K., Dan A, Lynn M, Randy G Keep those cards and updates coming ================= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 23:19:03 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's list update From: Neal Thomas HI all- Since Rick's '59 list looks like it's shrinking rapidly, and I only had one card to pull to send him, I looked at his lists and noticed his '55 list was pretty short too, and I was able to pull about 9 cards from it. So is anyone up for working on this set for Rick as well? Here is what is left: 022 050 075 092 111 125 155 157 161 162 163 164 165 166 169 177 180 183 185 187 189 190 192 195 197 198 205 210 (29 left) There are a few biggies left (like Jackie Robinson and CLemente's RC), but if we can knock off the rest, I can scope out ebay for one or both of those if I can afford them. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "alcattle" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's list update Date: 06/16/2002 02:44am 59 Topps 150, 163, 430, 450, 464, 514, 515, 527, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564, 567 Thanks Mike W, Earl K., Dan A, Lynn M, Randy G Keep those cards and updates coming ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 18:54:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's List Sunday Update From: "alcattle" More offers pour in! Thanks to Jim M., Joe I., Wayne D., Neal T., Neal is also starting a similar effort to finish the 55 set so contact Neal if you have any 55 Topps from Rick's want list. Others have offered dupes of those listed and other cards from Rick's list. I will gather those (Red Sox, Longevity project) and send them at one time with a nice Get Well Card. last few toughies---> 59 Topps 430, 464, 514, 515, 527, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564, 567 --- AL Cummings ================= To: "0ramblings" Subject: CoolPix 6/16 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:37:50 -0500 From: "Rick & Deb" Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Lou Gehrig & Cal Ripken Jr. THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: "0ramblings" Subject: CoolPix 6/16 (revised) Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 16:42:00 -0500 From: "Rick & Deb" Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Lou Gehrig & Cal Ripken Jr. THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:57:20 EDT Subject: Fashion statement To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com At the risk of repeating something that may have been covered in the early days of OBC (I have a vague recollection), I would like to solicit opinions about the relative merits of baseball uniforms. I have always found it fascinating to follow the evolution of fashion trends on the field and have particularly taken note of the movements from wool to polyester, baggy to tight, high sox to hidden sox, etc., but I think there is much more to investigate about this topic, especially among a group so dedicated to the collection of pictures of players on cardboard. One topic might be the all time great uniform lists. Of course, as a Red Sox fan, I have always been partial to the distinctive red, white, and blue found on 'our' home uniforms; but the road uniforms have always been among the most boring, or, it could be said, the most boring of all. On the other hand, I have also admired some great uniforms of other teams. I have always thought, for instance, that the Cardinals had great home uniforms, with that sharp red set against their bright whites, and with the Cardinal logo across their chests. The Braves too, with their accented pockets, have always been appealing. One of the best of the understated variety, I believe would be the Tigers home uniforms with the stark white, like the Cardinals, but with that very simple blue caligraphic "D" on the left side of their chests. I hate the Yankees, so it's hard for me to be objective about the superimposed NY on pin stripes; but I do have to admit that it may look classy and traditional to those who relate to the hated Bombers. Then, of course, we might also take a look at the all time worst looking uniforms. I personally think it would be pretty hard to beat to old blue White Sox uniforms, the ones that made portly Wilbur Wood look like a milk man, but I would like to get some other opinions on this. How about those old Brewers caps, the ones with the garish gold and blue glove shaped like an 'M.' Any thoughts out there? Maybe you liked those old Hollywood Stars uniforms with the Bermuda shorts or the halos on the early Angels caps. Let's hear what OBC has to say about all of this. ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:38:05 EDT Subject: "Reserve Not Met" or the Ebay Blues To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Don't you hate it when you win a wanted card on ebay and look up the auction results to find you are the high bidder and see- "Reserve Not Met"-it is very frustrating- and if it is a Mantle card i don't have the frustration factor is magnified by 10!!!- check out # 1835581575 eBay item 1835581575 (Ends Jun-16-0215:... --Linda- (closest i have ever gotten to that Red Heart Mantle i have wanted for years!) ================= Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:47:56 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's List Sunday Update To: alcattle@earthlink.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok guys, I found some stuff from the Red Sox list. 5? - #30 62- 81 63- 384 64- 287 65- 509 72- 565,592 Are we sending these randomly or are we shooting for a particular date for the "healing power of cardboard"? Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's List Sunday Update Date: 6/16/02 3:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: alcattle@earthlink.com (alcattle) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com More offers pour in! Thanks to Jim M., Joe I., Wayne D., Neal T., Neal is also starting a similar effort to finish the 55 set so contact Neal if you have any 55 Topps from Rick's want list. Others have offered dupes of those listed and other cards from Rick's list. I will gather those (Red Sox, Longevity project) and send them at one time with a nice Get Well Card. last few toughies---> 59 Topps 430, 464, 514, 515, 527, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564, 567 --- AL Cummings To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xc03.mx.aol.com (rly-xc03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.136]) by air-xc05.mail.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILINXC51-0616151145; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:11:45 -0400 Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.74]) by rly-xc03.mx.aol.com (v86_r1.13) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXC36-0616151143; Sun, 16 Jun 2002 15:11:43 -0400 Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 19:10:57 -0000 X-Sender: alcattle@earthlink.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_2); 16 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 58898 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Jun 2002 19:10:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2002 19:10:56 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.184] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Jun 2002 19:10:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "alcattle" X-Originating-IP: 4.35.4.226 X-Yahoo-Profile: alcattle MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:10:53 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's List Sunday Update ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fashion statement Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:09:26 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" Those old Cub road jerseys from the mid-late 70s were horrible - powder blue with blue pinstripes and that big blue pajama band around the waist! Yikes! All they need was footies... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: friar4@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2002 4:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fashion statement At the risk of repeating something that may have been covered in the early days of OBC (I have a vague recollection), I would like to solicit opinions about the relative merits of baseball uniforms. I have always found it fascinating to follow the evolution of fashion trends on the field and have particularly taken note of the movements from wool to polyester, baggy to tight, high sox to hidden sox, etc., but I think there is much more to investigate about this topic, especially among a group so dedicated to the collection of pictures of players on cardboard. One topic might be the all time great uniform lists. Of course, asa Red Sox fan, I have always been partial to the distinctive red, white, and blue found on 'our' home uniforms; but the road uniforms have always been among the most boring, or, it could be said, the most boring of all. On the other hand, I have also admired some great uniforms of other teams. I have always thought, for instance, that the Cardinals had great home uniforms, with that sharp red set against their bright whites, and with the Cardinal logo across their chests. The Braves too, with their accented pockets, have always been appealing. One of the best of the understated variety, I believe would be the Tigers home uniforms with the stark white, like the Cardinals, but with that very simple blue caligraphic "D" on the left side of their chests. I hate the Yankees, so it's hard for me to be objective about the superimposed NY on pin stripes; but I do have to admit that it may look classy and traditional to those who relate to the hated Bombers. Then, of course, we might also take a look at the all time worst looking uniforms. I personally think it would be pretty hard to beat to old blue White Sox uniforms, the ones that made portly Wilbur Wood look like a milk man, but I would like to get some other opinions on this. How about those old Brewers caps, the ones with the garish gold and blue glove shaped like an 'M.' Any thoughts out there? Maybe you liked those old Hollywood Stars uniforms with the Bermuda shorts or the halos on the early Angels caps. Let's hear what OBC has to say about all of this. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 04:00:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Father's Day Rambling From: "alcattle" Hope you all had as nice a Father's Day as I did. I know many times things are busy and you don't have time to think about it but our family (and Friends) are the most important things we don't own. I started out slow with breakfast at home. One daughter handed me 2 of the Nolan Ryan Ceramic Cards. Cool! Then we went out for a drive, And I listened to the M's blow another game. They picked me up 3 cards and a couple things to go with them including a Seattle Rainiers program and an old Rainiers card by Centennial Flour. Also got a Mariner polo shirt. Already wore it and spilled dinner on it. Went to Mexican for dinner and stopped at a friends to pick up our old BBQ which they were storing for us. Dropped that off, took an old TV and microwave to the donation station to get rid of them. Then went for ice cream. Pretty good day! I also just got DSL at home, was a little tricky to set up on the old Tipton computer so we moved to a VG computer and it is running ok for now. Should be reading more from me now and you can send to this address as well as Hotmail. Lastly, I will try and get time to stop my the card store to hunt down more cards for the Rick attack. If you have nothing to offer, I will post if I find any cards that you can donate toward. Might be the only way to pick up stars quickly. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 00:18:10 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fashion statement To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Friar4@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 6/16/02 11:11:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time To: , From: "Geno Wagner" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 20:09:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fashion statement ================= To: Subject: The Lindholmes Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2002 21:48:32 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" With regret, I am letting you know that Brian Lindholme's twin sister Brenda passed away today after a long bout with cancer. Brian sounds strong, and is making arrangements to get back home for the service. I am sure the Lindholme family would appreciate your thoughts and prayers at this very difficult time in their lives. The Lindholme family appreciates your thoughts at this time. ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 07:10:44 -0400 Subject: availables From: Bob Saxton Had a great week visiting our son and daughter-in-law on Cape Cod this past week. Caught the opening game for the Brewster Whitecaps in the Cape Cod league - baseball the way it was meant to be! And, stopped by my favorite baseball card shop on the Cape in Orleans to pick up a couple handfuls of 50's cards. As a result, the following are available for anyone who might be interested: 54 Bowman # 45, Ralph Kiner 55 Bowman's # (the tv cards) 210 Torgeson (paste spots on back), 214 Billy Pierce, 133 Charles King, 120 Ed Burtschy, 115 Roger Bowman and 42 Bob Greenwood (133, 120,115 and 42 have writing on the back. Have a great day everyone! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 06:33:43 -0700 To: alcattle Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's List Sunday Update From: john harrell Big Al, I've got 59 Topps 464 and 567 to add. Do I send them to you? On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 19:10:53 -0000 alcattle wrote: More offers pour in! Thanks to Jim M., Joe I., Wayne D., Neal T., Neal is also starting a similar effort to finish the 55 set so contact Neal if you have any 55 Topps from Rick's want list. Others have offered dupes of those listed and other cards from Rick's list. I will gather those (Red Sox, Longevity project) and send them at one time with a nice Get Well Card. last few toughies---> 59 Topps 430, 464, 514, 515, 527, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564, 567 --- AL Cummings To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:57:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's list 3rd try From: "alcattle" We have 3 offers for card #567. Not sure how to break the tie. I think one person pulled it out of his set so I won't take that one. Another person had 2 cards to offer so does he mail both ot just the other card and the person with just the one card #567 send it. And the rest of you can fight over the last tough 8 cards. More later. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:14:51 EDT Subject: SABR Boston meeting? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all, Some time ago, I saw some interest in a Boston area get-together during the SABR meeting next week. Have there been any plans made? The only night I have a remote possibility of meeting is Thursday. Bright and early next Saturday I'm going on vacation, so I'll most likely spend that Friday packing Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 19:32:22 EDT Subject: Collection milestone To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Since 1990ish, my number one collecting goal has been to complete the T212 Obak set. Over the weekend, courtesy of an ebay win, I reached #400 in my Obak collection. I have mixed emotions about this. Yes, I'm very happy to have actually spent this long collecting these little cards and I'm very happy about the fact that the next milestone I achieve is the set's completion at 426 cards. Of course, I'm also scared because I can finally see the end coming, but what do I do when it comes? Yeah, yeah I know...collect another set. But which one? One of the many reasons I decided to collect this set in the first place is that there is (over time) a reasonable chance at completion - i.e. no supply based scarcities (as in T206, E90-1, 1933 Goudey, etc) and no real big $$ cards (like a Cracker Jack Joe Jackson). I still have a while to decide as I try to find the missing 26 Obaks (within my budget). Of course, I could always upgrade my Obak set. Yeah right ;-) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:03:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: newest list for Rick attack From: "alcattle" last few toughies---> 59 Topps 514, 515, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564 Who will step up with Gibson (RC?), Killerbrew, Clemente(Corsair Trio), Banks (AS), Aaron (AS), Mays(AS), and Mantle(AS) Nothing Cheap here guys and Gals! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:21:15 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's Updated 1955 list From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Here is what's left of RIck's 1955 list. I have had some offers of pulling cards from completed sets, and we may need to get to that, but we'll see if we can clean out some dupes boxes or some sets far from completion first. Thanks, Rick’s 1955 list 022 050 092 125 155 161 162 163 164 165 166 169 177 180 183 185 187 189 190 192 195 197 198 205 210 (26 left) ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Bob Saxton Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] availables Date: 06/17/2002 07:10am Had a great week visiting our son and daughter-in-law on Cape Cod past week. Caught the opening game for the Brewster Whitecaps in the Cape Cod league - baseball the way it was meant to be! And, stopped by my favorite baseball card shop on the Cape in Orleans to pick up a handfuls of 50's cards. As a result, the following are available for anyone who might be interested: 54 Bowman # 45, Ralph Kiner 55 Bowman's # (the tv cards) 210 Torgeson (paste spots on back), 214 Billy Pierce, 133 Charles King, 120 Ed Burtschy, 115 Roger Bowman and 42 Bob Greenwood (133, 120,115 and 42 have writing on the back. Have a great day everyone! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:28:59 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's Updated 1955 list To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com Neal and all, I've missed some of the e-mail exchange but if condition is not an issue I have the following cards to contribute: 163, 165, 166, 180, 183, 192, 197, 205 Let me know. ================= Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:13:11 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick's New Updated 1955 list From: Neal Thomas Hey all- Great response tonight from a few more OBCers have cut Rick's 1955 list down some more. Including a few biggies, here is what is left: 050 092 125 155 161 162 164 169 187 189 190 195 198 210 (14 left) ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:22 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Wantlist Project From: Lynn Miller So far only 30 replies, about 25% of the group. I was hoping for closer to 80-90% to make this task easier. I had assumed even with this request I was still going to manually have to do 10-20%. I don't need the specific card numbers at this point, just a simple list of the sets you are collecting. And even if you do include the numbers, it's an easy task to delete them. Whatever is easiest for you will definitely work for me. Thanks, Lynn ================= Subject: OBC - PawSox game this Sunday (June 23) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 21:48:00 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, This is the official six-day notice for the upcoming Pawtucket Red Sox baseball game / OBC meeting in Pawtucket, RI. The game itself starts at 1:05pm, but there's also a special "1884 rules" game to be played from 11:00 - 12:15 beforehand. I've got a couple of firm commitments and several people who sent notes of interest. We can meet at the gate and / or plan to look for each other (Hawaiian shirts and OBC hats?). If you plan to go, please let me know your likely arrival time and distinguishing characteristics so we can keep our peepers peeled. Make sure to bring your glove, I seem to be a magnet for foul balls ... OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: t206 measurements Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:27:17 -0400 From: "John Collins" Can anyone tell me the proper measurments for the T-206 set? I am selling a beat up Marquard portrait on ebay to cover some other purchases I have made, and I have a question from another ebayer as to if it measures up. Sorry for coming to the group with a question about an item that I am selling, but I am only selling to cover other "cardboard debts" that I have gotten myself into. John C. Collins ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 07:19:56 -0400 (EDT) To: lynnm@piol.net (Lynn Miller) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Project From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:25:22 +0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Project ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:11:48 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Wantlist Project From: Lynn Miller Hi All, No need for any apologies from anyone. Just trying to get this thing kick-started and hopefully off the ground sometime. I'm no computer guru either. Just willing to do the grunt work and leave the tweaking to the real experts, as I understand we have a few. It's been something we've needed for a long time. And it may be awhile before it does hit the streets in some form. It's still in its infancy. However, we do want it to grow up sometime. So we need to start sometime, somewhere, with something. I just hope that all (or most anyway) agree. I know I don't like it right now with the status quo. It's too hard to go through each and every wantlist in the Directory to see who needs certain card/s that get "restless" in my dupes box :>) I realize we have a broad spectrum of interest in this project from nil in some cases to the "I want it now!" (me) . Personally, I don't like to publish an "availables" listing. Nothing against those that do. That's why we are such a diverse group, to each his own. But I enjoy the search and surprise method so much more. And while it is a little work in the search part which I would like to make easier, the thanks in the surprise is worth it all. That's where the real "little boy/girl" still resides in all of us. The genuine pleasure of "opening a pack (puffy from another OBCer), not knowing what's in store, but anxiously anticipating". Just my 2¢, Lynn ================= To: lynnm@piol.net obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Project Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 06:51:01 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Lynn, all: I agree that this project would kind of take OBC into the 21st century as far as "wantlist technology" is concerned. Like many of you, I often don't have time to search through individual wantlists when trying to clear my dupes box. I try to do this as often as possible, because I agree that the "surprise" packages are the best too. But for those times when I simply can't do that, I hope most of you don't mind the waiver wires. Until we can get some new wantlist technology, that is usually the best method for me to ensure that people get at least some of what they want. Take care, >--- Original Message --- >From: Lynn Miller >To: OBC Ramblings >Date: 6/18/02 7:11:48 AM >Hi All, >  No need for any apologies from anyone.  Just trying to get > thing >kick-started and hopefully off the ground sometime.  I'm no >guru either.  Just willing to do the grunt work and leave the >to the real experts, as I understand we have a few. >   It's been something we've needed for a long time.  And it > may be >awhile before it does hit the streets in some form.  It's still in its >infancy.  However, we do want it to grow up sometime. So we need to
start sometime, somewhere, with something.  I just hope that all (ormost anyway) agree.  I know I don't like it right now with the >quo.  It's too hard to go through each and every wantlist in >Directory to see who needs certain card/s that get "restless" >dupes box :>)  I realize we have a broad spectrum of interest in th >project from nil in some cases to the "I want it now!" (me) >Personally, I don't like to publish an "availables" listing.  >; Nothing >against those that do.  That's why we are such a diverse group, to eac >his own.  But I enjoy the search and surprise method so much >p; And >while it is a little work in the search part which I would like to make >easier, the thanks in the surprise is worth it all.  That's where the< >real "little boy/girl" still resides in all of us.  The genu >ine pleasure >of "opening a pack (puffy from another OBCer), not knowing what's >store, but anxiously anticipating". >  Just my 2¢, Lynn >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] newest list for Rick attack Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:13:09 -0400 From: "Robert Reed" I'll volunteer to place bids on ebay for these last 7 cards. Maybe those that weren't able to find any hits for Rick can contribute money? >From: "alcattle" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] newest list for Rick attack >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 00:03:28 -0000 >last few toughies---> 59 Topps >514, 515, 543, 559, 561, 563, 564 >Who will step up with Gibson (RC?), Killerbrew, Clemente(Corsair >Trio), Banks (AS), Aaron (AS), Mays(AS), and Mantle(AS) Nothing Cheap >here guys and Gals! >Big Al in Seattle Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 17:14:08 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] newest list for Rick attack To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smart1853@aol.com Al and OBC: I placed a winning bid on card #559, the Ernie Banks AS, for Rick's 1959 set. I'm very happy b/c I had been outbid on every card I'd bid on so far. Does anyone know if another person can pay for my winning? In other words, can an OBC'er with a Paypal account send the money to the seller for me so that the card can get to Al in a few days? I would then send a money order to whoever helped. If time isn't an issue with the cards getting to Al, I can just send the money by MO myself. Any ideas? Thanks a lot, Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:08:53 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] newest list for Rick attack To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Can we check with Ken and see if there was any extra funds froom teh hat project that could be used towards completeing Rick's 1959 and/or 1955 Topps ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 18:21:43 -0400 (EDT) To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] From East to West From: Originaleek@webtv.net Thanks for the info re: the Scratch Offs. Now here is another enigma you or others might help me with. I picked up some 70's cards today and the seller threw in some very small playing cards. They are black & white & measure 1 5/8" X 2 1/4". They are on paper stock not cardboard. Photos are of both commons and stars from the 50's & 60's mostly. Anyone know what they are, & approximate value? We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] From East to West Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:24:33 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" I remember these! You used to be able to buy them (and other assorted novelties...of a baseball nature) from vending machines in the toilets at Tiger Stadium in the late 60s/early 70s. We used to use them when I was in 6th grade to play poker for our lunch money. There was many a day that I went hungry..... Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net [mailto:Originaleek@webtv.net] Sent: 18 June 2002 23:22 To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] From East to West Thanks for the info re: the Scratch Offs. Now here is another enigma you or others might help me with. I picked up some 70's cards today and the seller threw in some very small playing cards. They are black & white & measure 1 5/8" X 2 1/4". They are on paper stock not cardboard. Photos are of both commons and stars from the 50's & 60's mostly. Anyone know what they are, & approximate value? We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 20:10:42 EDT Subject: Applicant To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Does anyone know about the status of Rob Gioia's application for membership. He is really a great guy and is getting a little anxious because he has not heard. You may recall that he is the NYC fireman. Basically, he is very eager to get in and I am his sponsor. Please let me and Rob (Celenox@aol.com) know if you have any information as to current status. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:43:47 EDT Subject: Grant and Dan To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smart1853@aol.com Many of you may have seen, and this may have been mentioned already (sorry if it has been), the May 2002 Beckett Vintage Monthly magazine. Included is a nice article on collecting OPC cards and the challenge associated with this. There is a good quote from Grant Rainsley and a nice plug for Dan Austin and his OPCC. Just thought this was interesting because I had the magazine sent to me from a collector I know from another website because I was interested in the first part of the two part special on Cuban baseball cards. After reading this article, I flipped to the OPC article and found these names. Congrats on the recognition Grant and Dan. Also, I know someone in the group collects Cuban cards. I got this magazine to complete the two part series so that I could send the articles out to the collector if they hadn't already seen them. If whoever collects Cubans, or is just interested in them, wants a copy of the articles, LMK and I will send them out. Brian Dwyer ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: New Set Added...I'm Psyched!! Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 7:59:58 +0000 From: I just picked up a great lot on ebay - 17 1964 Topps Giants INCLUDING both the Mantle and Clemente for $21. Another lot (of 19 cards), finishing at the same time but not including these 2 keys went for $41. So.......WOO-HOO! I've been meaning to make a start to this set for a while now, so I am now happy to officially declare this set "open". 1964 Topps Giants - I have 17/60 cards(28.3%)- 43 to go! 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 13 15 17 18 19 20 22 23 24 27 28 29 30 32 33 37 39 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 54 55 56 59 60 Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver status Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 06:18:59 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Packages outbound today to the following: Thanks for the great response to my post. There were a few requests that I was not able to hit and I apologize if I told anybody different last night. You gotta be quick! Take care, ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:25:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Insurance for cards Q From: "mikesportsfan" About a year ago there was some talk of the group trying to get insurance or how to get insurance for our collections. The theft of Richard Kimball's father-in-law's collection reminded me of this. Did anyone ever find out if insurance was obtainable at a decent price or did the group want to try and self-insure the members or any other ideas on this. Many of us have rather valuable collections and would be substantially hurt financially if our collections were stolen of lost to fire, etc. Not to mention the emotional trauma of losing something most of us have worked at for so long and hard. I do not want to equate it with losing a loved one, but to some, it may be Think of what the "Original" Frank Thomas has gone through. Even with all of our help, he has not completely replaced his collection. Over the year's I have lost some of my collection to leaks in the basement (old house) a burst water heater (current house), a cat gnawing on some cards (good thing it had 9 lives as it lost 1 when I discovered her eating a sheet of cards), etc. Mike Rich ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Insurance for cards Q Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:50:13 -0400 From: "John Collins" On this note, does anyone know what cards are "considered" as far as a typical homeowner's insurance policy goes? About 2 years ago I was thinking of this and called my insurance company tosee if I could take out a specific policy just on my card collection. At the time I had renters insurance, not homeowners. They told me that it was considered personal property and would be covered in event of a loss or theft. However from what I have heard since, I'm not sure whether or not to believe this. Anybody that could shed some light on this would be appreciated ! John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Insurance for cards Q About a year ago there was some talk of the group trying to get insurance or how to get insurance for our collections. The theft of Richard Kimball's father-in-law's collection reminded me of this. Did anyone ever find out if insurance was obtainable at a decent price or did the group want to try and self-insure the members or any other ideas on this. Many of us have rather valuable collections and would be substantially hurt financially if our collections were stolen of lost to fire, etc. Not to mention the emotional trauma of losing something most of us have worked at for so long and hard. I do not want to equate it with losing a loved one, but to some, it may be Think of what the "Original" Frank Thomas has gone through. Even with all of our help, he has not completely replaced his collection. Over the year's I have lost some of my collection to leaks in the basement (old house) a burst water heater (current house), a cat gnawing on some cards (good thing it had 9 lives as it lost 1 when I discovered her eating a sheet of cards), etc. Mike Rich To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:36:31 EDT Subject: Re: Hat update/SABR meeting/Pawsox To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 6/19/02 4:01:07 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Can we check with Ken and see if there was any extra funds froom teh hat project that could be used towards completeing Rick's 1959 and/or 1955 Topps sets? >> Update on the hat fund: Total stands at $485. So far my total expenses have been $450(cost of the hats) + $50(what I added in for shipping) + $43(the ripoff Western Union fees). I haven't reached the break even point as of yet, so unfortunately I don't have any extra for Rick. I think I still may owe Lynn some money for the airmail package he sent out with the first 50 hats too. (I will be sending any additional money via a 34 cent stamp as opposed to Western Union this time though). I still have a couple people that said they'd donate at some point in the future... and I'm sure there'll be a few more bucks coming once people see how nice the hats are. (This is according to Lynn, as I haven't seen them personally as of this writing.) According to my softball schedule, I have a game (weather permitting - we've already had 6 or 7 games cancelled in a month... some drought, huh?) on Thursday next week at 8:15PM. We could have a gathering at my house that day if you want to either end early (yeah, right) or watch me make a fool of myself on the softball diamond. Actually, considering my team's attendence patterns, you might even be able to play if you want I'm also up for hosting a Friday or Saturday gathering if that's more convenient for everyone (other than Jim). Unfortunately I'm probably out for the Pawsox on Sunday, due to the fact that I can't seem to get a day off from work. :::begin violin music::: At least not that I'd be able to drive down to RI and back without riding the guard rail on the way home while I snooze. I even brought my cousin in from NY and got him a job at the store to give me a Sat. night off once in a while - but that hasn't happened yet. Plus if I take a night off for the swap, I'll have to work the whole weekend. :::end violin music::: Anyway, that's about all for now. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:59:22 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Ebayer "mcbusinesssolutionz" are currently auctioning a huge rake of 1965 hi numbers, all starting at 50c. These items finish in 2 days and most of them have no bids as yet. There's a load here that I'd like to go for, but they don't credit cards or PayPal. Have at them, varlets! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:45:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick Attack for Wednesday From: "alcattle" 4 to go ---> 59 Topps 514, 515, 543, 564 We have bids in on some of them, just missed a Gibson RC. We have some money to buy cards and more coming if needed. Step up and make Rick's day, week, year!! Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1962 Green Tints on ebay Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:56:26 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Thinking about starting on the '62 variations? 4 hours to go on this lot of 7 cards including 6 greenies and a portrait Hoeft (current time is 18:00 EST). High bid is $9.95 by lorenleger (that's not one of our guys, is it?) ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 18:41:29 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Insurance for cards Q To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: friar4@aol.com A number of years ago we put my cards on our homeowners insurance as a rider. I remember it well because the agent, thinking it would not work out, said to me that it could only be done if the insured party had a detailed record of the cards he had and, therefore, their value. He was surprised when I told him that I kept such records as a hobby. ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:01:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Hat update/SABR meeting/Pawsox From: "rayluurs" if you want and since I dont know protecall (i dont know how to spell either)but my wife says we can use our hotel room if needed. Friday night our group has tickets for the game. I've been told when i get there i can put a notice for extra tickets on board for that game No guarantee but if yoy email me i will put up the notice and see what i can do. In case of shorage it would be FCFS and like i said in a line before no guaranteed that i can get them ================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:04:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay To: Glenn Codere From: Mark S Talbot Hello All.

    Just a quick side note to MCBUSINESSOLUTIONS auctions.  He does not cut any slack with regards to shipping charges.  So bid accordingly!!!!  He charges $2 for the first card and 50¢ for every other card.  I recently won 33 cards from him and he will not budge from the $18 that he wants to charge for S&H.  If you take that into account then there is nothing to worry about.  Now I got a bunch of deals on the last auction but I was hoping that he would be "reasonable" about the fees - he will not be.  Just a "heads-up" to those of you that are concerned about such things.  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Glenn Codere wrote:

 Guys,Ebayer "mcbusinesssolutionz" are currently auctioning a huge rake of 1965 hi numbers, all starting at 50c. These items finish in 2 days and most of them have no bids as yet. There's a load here that I'd like to go for, but they don't credit cards or PayPal.Have at them, varlets!GlennGlasgow,


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================= Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:31:47 -0400 (EDT) To: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Insurance for cards Q From: Originaleek@webtv.net I have had my cards insured under my homeowners Insurance plan for several years now. My agent suggested that I make a video tape of my collection, which I have updated every couple years. We have increased the amount of coverage 3 times so far and are due to do so again in 2003. I also gave my middle daughter a copy of the tape if say for instance the Tigers win a pennant and I die of shock, she will know the extent of the collection and where and how the various cards are stored. Actually I rather enjoyed making the video, not often do we get to talk about and show off our collection, even if it is just to a camera. The first tape I did in 1990 took a 90 minute tape, the last one I did in 2000 took most of a 120 minute tape. Of course Mike would have to do a mini-series with his collection. Just a note here, I did in fact have some cards stolen in 94 (I know who took them, but could never prove it) and my insurance co. paid off on them. Stolen cards included Maris and Sparky Anderson RC's and total came to about $560. Just FYI. We keep what we give away! ================= To: Mark S Talbot Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 7:27:10 +0000 From: Thanks for that, Mark! It's always good to know when those "bargains" may not be quite as attractive as they first look! > From: Mark S Talbot > Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 19:04:54 -0400 > To: Glenn Codere > CC: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:28:57 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Out of action, plus an eBay CD warning From: WMDpks@aol.com I may be out of action for a few days while I take my system unit in to have the Windows ME desktop repaired. Not sure at all what caused it, but it's a doozy of a problem. Boots up normally until the desktop wallpaper is displayed and the little Windows .wav file plays, then displays no icons or task bars, not even a Start button. I mainly use the IBM NetVista which is headed for the shop as a "production environment" for my Baseball Card Images CD-ROM. As luck would have it, I took a complete backup of the file system, including the program code, just hours before the desktop crashed. 22,501 images, and I didn't lose a single one of 'em. Not sure what caused the virus, but in the past week only two things changed on my system. First, I purchased and activated an image compression program from xat.com recommended to me by Dan Austin, which had been installed as freeware for the past three weeks or so. It's a terrific program which crushes images by 50% or more, which means I can now potentially cram the 22,501 images back on to one CD. Right now they take up almost 900MB of CD-ROM space, but I had already "reclaimed" 60MB by just compressing the Bowman and 30s40sGum folders (two of about 13 categories in my project). Second, I bid on and won a CD-ROM of baseball card photographs for $4.99 plus $4.95 shipping/handling (which makes my 22.5 K images CD offered for FREE even more of a bargain!) I was aware of the group of historic baseball card images offered at the "American Memories" gallery at the Library of Congress site, but I thought that with 8,000 this CD I'd won would have more images than just that which I could use. Turns out it was nothing more than the approx. 2700 images at the Library of Congress site, plus each of those images in duplicate but a reduced size "thumbnail" image. (Of the 2700 photos, about 2000 were card fronts, and 700 were card backs.) Luckily, the guy's ad fell all over itself offering a money-back guarantee if not satisfied, so I "took him up" on that offer. He sent back a note, really condescending, telling me to check the directory or click on the directory's "Properties" to see that the CD actually did contain over 8300 files. Yes, but more than 2800 of those files were just .HTML code files used to display other images - surely they don't count as pictures themselves. So, I got a canned form letter of "We're so sorry you aren't satisfied, send the CD back and we will completely refund your money plus postage." Hope it works out. But he has others of the same CD offered for auction on eBay and hasn't modified the description. His eBay account is "cdpost" and his offerings consist of generally nothing more than what's available and downloadable at the Library of Congress site. Moral of the story: CD's of baseball card images don't generally sell well on eBay (ask popular dealer Mike Wheat about that!) and the best, most satisfying way for me to collect these is to keep going and cram a CD as full as possible of as many images as I can locate, and give it out free. (Which I will continue to do as soon as I get this IBM NetVista machine fixed!) Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Baseball isn't a matter of life or death, but the Red Sox are." ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: all-star balloting Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:47:22 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I just filled out the all-star ballot online at MLB.com. Was putting 4 Red Sox into the AL starting lineup too much? :) Actually the ones I voted for (Nomar, Hillenbrand, Damon, and Ramirez) I believe are all leading their position at batting You can vote a maximum of 25 times, but I don't know if I have the stamina for that. It will be interesting to see how many Expos and Twins make it soley on the fact that some people are voting exclusively for those teams this year. ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:55:32 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: "robertdo@rt1solut.iserver.net" Don't fornet that the Sox also have the best starting pitcher in the AL .... Derick Lowe! Original Message: From: jcollins12 jcollins12@triad.rr.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:47:22 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting I just filled out the all-star ballot online at MLB.com. Was putting 4 Red Sox into the AL starting lineup too much? :) Actually the ones I voted for (Nomar, Hillenbrand, Damon, and Ramirez) I believe are all leading their position at batting You can vote a maximum of 25 times, but I don't know if I have the stamina for that. It will be interesting to see how many Expos and Twins make it soley on the fact that some people are voting exclusively for those teams this year. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: robertdo@rt1solut.iserver.net obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:22:50 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Does anyone know why you can't vote for pitchers on the all-star >--- Original Message --- >From: "robertdo@rt1solut.iserver.net" >To: "jcollins12@triad.rr.com" >Date: 6/20/02 11:43:37 AM >No, I've been doing the balloting since 1970 and they've never let you vote for pitchers for some reason. >I just think it's funny that even though Pedro is not at top form we still have the best pitcher. Lowe has been awesome,> if Pedro can get healthy by playoff time it could be interesting. >take care >Original Message: >From: John Collins jcollins12@triad.rr.com >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:33:21 -0400 >To: bdonaldson@callisma.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting >There was nowhere for me to vote for pitchers..... is that a >John C. Collins > ----- Original Message ----- > From: robertdo@rt1solut.iserver.net > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:55 AM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting > Don't fornet that the Sox also have the best starting pitcher in the AL .... Derick Lowe! > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: jcollins12 jcollins12@triad.rr.com > Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:47:22 -0700 > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] all-star balloting > I just filled out the all-star ballot online at MLB.com. > putting 4 Red Sox into the AL starting lineup too much? :) > Actually the ones I voted for (Nomar, Hillenbrand, Damon, > Ramirez) I believe are all leading their position at batting > average. > You can vote a maximum of 25 times, but I don't know if I > the stamina for that. > It will be interesting to see how many Expos and Twins make > soley on the fact that some people are voting exclusively > those teams this year. > John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Czar Bud Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:25:15 -0700 From: "jcollins12" As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball history, but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been doing some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud Selig lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? Just curious, ================= To: , "jcollins12" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:03:59 -0700 From: "yaz" I dispise Bud Selig. I feel he is a liar, cheat and a crook. He embodies all the qualities you would expect to find in the WORST used car salesman you could imagine. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcollins12" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball history, > but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been doing > some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud Selig > lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, > it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like > this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate > Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? > Just curious, > John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: yaz@sigecom.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jcollins12@triad.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:14:37 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" My vote: I hate Bud. Why is it that the major professional sports, except baseball, have commissioners who do not have any vested interest in a team? I think there is something fundamentally wrong here. >From: "yaz" >To: , "jcollins12" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:03:59 -0700 >I dispise Bud Selig. I feel he is a liar, cheat and a crook. He embodies >the qualities you would expect to find in the WORST used car salesman you >could imagine. >Greg (yaz) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcollins12" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:25 AM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > > > > As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball history, > > but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been doing > > some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud Selig > > lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, > > it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like > > this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate > > Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? > > > > Just curious, > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 19:50:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Czar Bud From: "catfishparker" Sorry, Joe, but Bud sold his interest in the Brewers to his daughter, so he has no interest in, nor profit motive, from the Brewers standpoint. Smell that??? That's sarcasm, thick and heavy. I'd have to agree that Bud Selig could be perhaps the worst commissioner baseball could possibly have. It's funny that Yaz brought up the used car salesman parallel because isn't that exactly what Bud was/is? Not sure about the used part or not And his contract was just renewed (for 3 more years I think) last year? Isn't that great? Sorry, more of that sarcasm... Take it easy, Save the gum for me... --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Joe Isaac" wrote: > My vote: I hate Bud. Why is it that the major professional sports, except > baseball, have commissioners who do not have any vested interest in a team? > I think there is something fundamentally wrong here. > Joe > >From: "yaz" > >To: , "jcollins12" > >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:03:59 -0700 > > > >I dispise Bud Selig. I feel he is a liar, cheat and a crook. He > >all > >the qualities you would expect to find in the WORST used car salesman you > >could imagine. > > > >Greg (yaz) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "jcollins12" > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:25 AM > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > > > > > > > > > > As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball > > > but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been > > > some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud > > > lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, > > > it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like > > > this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate > > > Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your > > > > > > Just curious, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:05:25 EDT Subject: Selig- the worst?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Selig -someone mentioned as The worst possible commissioner? Anyone care to resurrect Landis - "the George Wallace of Baseball"- "segregration -yesterday- today and tomorrow"-"they have a league of there own, they don't belong in the major leagues"!-Landis reminds me of old time Southern Judges- "What!! Waste my time with a trial!!-Guilty! Take that guy out and hang him!"i have seen Landis on many baseball cards and he sure looks like one of those southern racist judges-Landis cards go in my "Baseball Bigots" collection along with Cap Anson and a few notorious others, -- just my 2 and a half cents worth-(remember i like using fractional stamps on letters to traders)--Linda ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:19:59 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Selig- the worst?? To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com wow! a separate collection of bigots?! who else is in there? ================= To: , Subject: Natl. Update Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Updated info on Natl. A few more have been added to the list for the cookout and the Natl. Jim Hatch will be checking in adding the state of N.H. to the list. OBCs (head chef a.k.a. the comish) Mike Hair will arrive on Thursday night and join Ken M. and Joe Cerullo at our place for the weekend. We (Denise& I) will try to give Mike a break from cooking, but will be looking for his In trying to echo what Ken said, ALL ARE WELCOME. Don't feel that just because you are new to the group or have not been to one of these crazy gatherings in the past that you should not come. COME, bring an appetite (Ken will), bring your wantlist for ALL SPORTS, ALLYEARS. I have boxes of dupes that will be available to go through. Even tho I do not collect much new stuff " I have a ton of it" Drop us a line if you think you will make it to the cookout. I have no concerns on the number showing up. More is better. ***OBC Swap Session*** Here is the official info from Ken Place: Midway (Best Western) Hotel (1600 Oakton St., Elk Grove Village, IL) Date: Saturday Aug. 10th Time: 7PM (or right after the show lets out, whichever comes first) to midnight (but I think we might be able to stay a couple hours longer if Admission price: None! Recommended: Bring your dupes box, wantlist, and a willingness to accept a boatload of cardboard thrown at you from all directions to add to your collection ;-) Menu: Pizza and soda will be provided courtesy of our generous host Kevin Savage. I will find out his table number at the show, so you will be able to express your appreciation personally. No outside food allowed however. I'm guessing other menu items are available at room service prices - the hotel is catering, so the room is free. FRIDAY COOKOUT (Saint) Al Cummings " will be there" staying across from the show, looking for a ride to cookout Gary Mandell " I plan to be there" Doug & Judy Smith "will try to be there" Doug has to be in Mich. on Sat. hopes to make the cookout on his way to Mich. Mike Wierzbicki "hopes to be there" James & Abbie Molta "Pencil in 2 and I will confirm " Tim Newcomb "hope to attend your cookout" Earl & Phyllis Kilbourn "I will probably be bringing my wife" Ken Morganti will be here for a week Kent Goto " I plan on attending your cookout." Joe Cerullo (ex OBCer) " arrives on Thurs." Mr. and Mrs. Ron Perry Ron has to work till 4 on Friday 3 our time. Will try and make it. Jim Hatch The state of NH will be checking in. Mike Hair OBC (Head Chef) (Comish) will arrive Thursday Night ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:06:52 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Attack for Wednesday From: No change from yesterday. I have only gotten one card in the mail. I will not be mailing out until we get the set done so if you want to add cards (Red Sox, Longevity, or Bubba's) you can send them to me. Anyone offering money can hold on to it until we find cards. We have bids on all 4 cards, some more than 1 each. If you want to pull a card and get it replaced later, it would help. The List --> 59 Topps 514, 515, 543, 564 Big Al in Seattle On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 21:45:14 -0000 alcattle wrote: 4 to go ---> 59 Topps 514, 515, 543, 564 We have bids in on some of them, just missed a Gibson RC. We have some money to buy cards and more coming if needed. Step up and make Rick's day, week, year!! Big Al in Seattle To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:38:28 -0500 From: "Michael or Alexis Wierzbicki" Yes, I like Bud Selig. He saved baseball in Milwaukee, when he was the Brewers' owner. Although he is unpopular with many fans and players, because of his pushing for revenue-sharing, I think that this is necessary to save the game. My two cents' worth. Mike Wierzbicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcollins12" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball history, > but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been doing > some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud Selig > lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, > it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like > this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate > Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? > Just curious, > John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:13:37 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: topgolf@aol.com About 4 years ago I wrote a piece on "if I were Commissioner" Here is a reprint: If I were commissioner.... On my recent trip to San Francisco, Trips, Geodie and I had time to solve the ills of baseball, (in fact we were in the parking lot long enough to solve most of the world's problems) most of which can be solved by one simple move...Elect Mike Hair as Commissioner of Baseball. There. I said it. My hat's in the ring. The gauntlet is thrown down. The ball is in baseball's court. You may ask "Why Mike?". My answer is OK, let's get down to issues... First, Pete Rose. He's in, end of story. The commissioner's job, and the job of baseball is to preserve the history and integrity of the game. Pete is a part of that history, good or bad. Look in any encyclopedia and you will find as much written about Atilla the Hun as Mother Teresa. Both are a part of the world's history. If we were to use the same logic as baseball, Atilla would be denied his spot in history just because he was a barbarian. Pete's reinstated to baseball, he'll have to earn the HOF on his own. Owners and the Players Association. Sorry guys, I'll have to make some decisions that you won't like. Tough beans. I'm going to be a fan's commissioner, for the good of baseball. If you don't like it, start a league in Norway. "Radical realignment". Give me a break. You want radical, I'll give you radical, as you will see below. As far as alignment goes, FORGET IT. There will be no teams moving from one league to the other. Period. Forget the East, West and Central Divisions...rename them, i.e. the Aaron Conference, The Mantle Conference, etc. OK, how's this for Radical? You want to bring excitement to the game, even at the end of the year for teams at the bottom of the standings? No problem. The team with the worst record in each league are out. Really out. Out of baseball...close the doors, sell the uniforms, you won't be playing next year. Yeah, there's a certain air of excitement at a late season game that has playoff implications, but how about a late season game that determines whether or not you will be in business next year. Sorry man, only the strong survive. I think that there are too many teams now, which dilutes the quality of play, so we will lose a team in each league for two years, and then, to facilitate expansion will lose a team and add a team thereafter. Players from the team that is "dissolved" will go into an expansion draft of sorts . Radical II...Power to the People. The fans will have the power. Not in a buy a Gillette razor and stuff the ballot box way, but in a one fan, one vote way. Each American, and Foreigners as well, will have a chance to register as a baseball fan, and vote on issues such as All star, etc. Radical III.... Is anyone worth $10,000,000? Player's salaries are out of control. Let's get them back on a pay for performance platform. Instead of an actual salary, a player would negotiate a percentage of a team's "pool". For example, a superstar may command a 25% piece of the teams pool, while a marginal player would get 1%. In any case the total percent would be 100%. At the beginning of the year, each team would pay a set amount into the salary pool. While I would prefer that each team pay the same amount, it may be on a weighted basis. (Did I mention we would have a big building with a bunch of people...accountant's, etc. To work out the details) For the sake of argument, let's say that that amount was $50,000,000 per team. After the season the salary pool would be divided according to merit.... the world series champion may get back $75,000,000 to divide among it's players, while the team that finishes last (see ya) may get only $20,000,000. Let's review... The superstar (25%) would get over $18M for the champs, $5M for the chumps. The marginal player would get from $750K to $200K . It's still a good chunk of change, but it may create some incentive to win. Radical, Fore. (Sorry, it's the old golf guy in me) ...the schedule. Inter league play is a good thing...in small doses. Keep it like it is. The radical change will come in the schedule like this.... Each team will play a 156 game schedule , and conclude with a two 3 game home and home series to be decided by the commissioner (hey, that's me!!). For the most part, first place teams will play second place teams...it may be seen as a hockey like extension of the playoffs. But anyone who witnessed the Dodgers/Giants series in the later part of the year would understand. Also keep in mind that the two losingest (is that a word?) would be engaged in a "Texas Death Match" struggle where the loser is sent away. You want excitement in a Cubs/Phillies series at the end of the year???...elect me commissioner. Radical V. The Hall of Fame. OK, I know I'll get some grief on this, but here goes. The Hall should be for the best players in the game, not for those who have run up some good stats. Case in point, Don Sutton. Good pitcher, 300 wins, but not HOF material. Hey, I'm a Dodger fan, but Don does not belong in the Hall. Maybe we could create a "Foyer of Fame" just outside the Hall for the near great players, but, please, let's keep the Hall So guys, that's it for now, I'm sure that there will be more to follow, but it's getting late, and the wine bottle is empty, so I'll leave it at that. Write your favorite team, write to baseball, write to your congressman, and mention my name. I'd appreciate it. More If I were commissioner Some good questions from the group... I've heard from Phillies, Cubs and A's fans who are concerned that their team will get the boot. Luckily the plan is not retroactive, so every team would have a chance. If, in fact, the worst record in the league were to get the boot, I would imagine that teams would find a way to win, and there would be less ho hum games at the end of the year. Perhaps we could ammend the plan, so that a team would get the boot only if they lost more than 95 games a Rick asks me to address the small market/large market situation, as it realates to a team "buying a pennant". My plan would help the small market teams, and the hard working teams because at the beginning of each season, each team would divy up a "payroll", and send it to my office for safe keeping. That amount would be the same for each team (let's say $50M each). If there were true parity and every team finished with a 81-81 record, they would each get $50M back to pay out in salaries. Realistically, that wouldn't happen, so the team that wins the world series may get back $75M (or $100M) a team that lost 100 games may only get back $15M to divide among it's players. Win more, get paid more. Rick also shows concern about what he calls prime time airing of big market teams...i.e. the Yankee games being played in the evening while the Giant games were during the day. I think day (playoff/series) games are a part of history. I remember the 1961 series, and bringing a transistor radio to school to listen to the game. I say the day games stay, and we'll move the World Series to the day as well. Oh yeah, another point...Artificial turf. Get rid of it. Natural grass only . Various golf organizations with much smaller resources than MLB fund many land grant universities for reseach on better grasses for golf. We need to fund research to find a grass that can be grown indoors. Believe me, it can happen and only needs funds to happen. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:16:17 EDT Subject: Grandtops To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I'm gonna be a grandpa! My daughter, Julie, is due in February. She has assured me that although I'm going to be a Grandpa, I will not need to grow up. I tried it once (growing up, not being a grandpa), and wasn't very good at it. Rest well, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:03:34 -0400 From: "John Collins" Re: Bud...... What about the most recent revenue sharing plan that I have heard of: increasing from 20 to 40 %, but strangely when the numbers were crunched, the new figure that was to be "shared" from the richest clubs with the poorest clubs did not equal twice what it had been before.....turns out there was a provision for Bud to keep a $100 million "slush fund" to be used at his discretion in there somewhere? This is just what I have read. I have no doubt that Bud was indeed a savior for baseball in Milwaukee. But how long can baseball consider it ethicalfor an owner to be the Commissioner? Okay, Bud owns about 35% of the Brewers in trust, and his daughter is supposedly controlling his interests.......yadda yadda yadda. But from my limited research today, it appears the problem is that Bud still thinks like an owner and reasons like an owner. Atrue "commissioner" is somebody who is supposed to take the best interestsof the "league" (what remains of that type of an organization, by definition) into consideration, regardless of the opinion of other owners. Bud isobviously in favor of contraction because it will make his old buddy Carl Pohlad in Minnesota a richer man, by forcing him to divest (contract) the Twins and collect $$$ instead of being paid a revenue sharing staple by the rest of the league for the next decade or so. I guess that is a loyalty payback to Carl for that loan he made Bud a couple of years back. Can you say conflict of interest? Also, Bud is the same guy who came out in favorof radical reallignment a couple of years ago. Let's put the teams in order by strict geographic guidelines. We can have an East-West All-Star game. And call a Giants - Phillies matchup an "interleague game" with a straight face. Whatever. Despite baseball's other problems, is there honestly anybody out there who thinks that someone with this perspective should becharged with the care of our national game? Another 2 cents to make it 4 for the day..... John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael or Alexis Wierzbicki To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; jcollins12 Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:38 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Yes, I like Bud Selig. He saved baseball in Milwaukee, when he was the Brewers' owner. Although he is unpopular with many fans and players, because of his pushing for revenue-sharing, I think that this is necessary to save the game. My two cents' worth. Mike Wierzbicki ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcollins12" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 1:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud > As someone who has long been fascinated with baseball history, > but not necessarily the business side of it, I have been doing > some research on the office of the commissioner and Bud Selig > lately to balance the inequity. After some very brief surfing, > it is obvious that there aren't a whole lot of people who like > this guy. Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate > Bud? If so, what has been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? > Just curious, > John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:09:39 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud From: Gary Pearce At 01:25 PM 6/20/02, jcollins12 wrote; >Brief poll for OBC: Do you like Bud? Do you hate Bud? If so, what has >been Bud's "biggest offense" in your opinion? Some time ago on rec.sport.baseball, someone posted the view that Selig has done more long-term damage to the game of baseball than anyone else in history. More than Joe Jackson and the rest of the Black Sox, more than Pete Rose, more than Hal Chase, more than anyone. Does he have a point? As commissioner, Selig's main goal has been to line his own pockets and bust the MLBPA. As such, he has embarked on an anti-marketing campaign against Major League Baseball that couldn't have been more effective if it were drawn up at a meeting of Paul Tagliabue, David Stern, and Gary Bettman. You didn't hear David Stern complaining to the media during the NBA Finals that the Lakers dominance means 80% of teams are eliminated during spring training or Gary Bettman wailing that the NHL is doomed because Atlanta couldn't go out and get Brett Hull, Dominik Hasek, Luc Robitaille, or any other import who played a role in their Cup win. Check MLB's own (admittedly) cooked books to see which franchise was the most profitable last year. Selig crippled baseball in Montreal, perhaps permanently, by being responsible for the 1994 strike which prematurely ended the season with the Expos having the best record in baseball. Having failed in his attempt to break the players union in 1994, he then brought about a revenue sharing system that gave owners a disincentive to compete by cutting payrolls to the bare minimum and pocketing revenue sharing welfare from other clubs as One word: Scabball. Need more? How about Selig's selective enforcement of MLB's administrative rules that get ignored when it suits his interests. MLB has a rule against one owner borrowing money from another owners without approval of the other owners. That didn't stop Selig from taking a loan from a bank owned by contraction co-conspirator Carl Pohlad without notifying the rest of the owners. MLB also has a rule against ownership of multiple franchises. That didn't stop him from allowing his personal bootlick John Henry to buy part of the Red Sox before selling his interest in the Marlins, or another bootlick Jeff Loria from buying the Marlins before selling the Expos. IIRC, Red Sox part owner Henry STILL owns a minority share in the Yankees, which he owned throughout his ownership of the Marlins. MLB also has a tampering rule. Tom Hicks broke it in the hiring of Grady Fuson from Oakland, and that got Hicks a record fine from the commissioner's office. The cynic in me thinks it's because Henry and Loria will unquestioningly vote with Selig on labor matters while Hicks's vote isn't in Bud's back pocket. Speaking of the sale of the Red Sox, there was the whole sordid affair where Selig essentially rigged the sale of it to Henry and Tom Werner, bypassing a higher bid by Miles Prentice and perhaps other higher bids. This was quite significant to Boston area charities that were named in the Yawkey trust to receive proceeds from the sale of the Red Sox. They were collectively cheated out of millions of dollars by Selig. After all this, perjuring himself in front of the US Congress is relatively minor. It really said a lot during his Congressional testimony that Selig looked like the biggest lying deceiving incompetent self-serving boob in a room full of career lying deceiving incompetent self-serving boobs. All this, and I still haven't mentioned the wild card, realignment, 4-team divisions, interleague play, or the stunt of moving season opening games to other countries screwing local fans out of Opening Day. I will say one thing in his defense. I agree with Selig 100% on the stance he has taken on the Pete Rose issue. ================= To: "0ramblings" Subject: CoolPix 6/20 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:22:30 -0500 From: "Rick & Deb" Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: "Happy Father's Day" THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 03:04:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Czar Bud From: "bobs7714" Someone earlier made a comment about Pete not being in the Hall of Fame. Well, being from the Cincinnati area here is my two cents worth. If we were to have "role models" only in the Hall what are the Babe and the Mick doing there? Both were adulterers and drunks. What about "Things go better with coke" Fergie Jenkins? Pete was never officially proven to have gambled. Key word is "officially". Good old Bart must have been buried with his boots sticking out of the ground because Bud is still polishing them! Bob Schaub ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:17:09 -0400 From: "John Collins" Maybe Rose should still be banned from baseball, maybe he shouldn't. In the absence of any real admission of guilt from the man, it does make it kind of hard for the baseball establishment just to let him back in. After all, it was a "lifetime" ban that Pete understood full well when he accepted it. Yeah the Dowd report may have been a little "inconclusive" when held up to the most intense degree of legal scrutiny. But did Pete bet on baseball? 99.44% chance - yes. If Pete would show up weepy-eyed at a press conference in New York and admit that he had a problem for years and needed the help of baseball, america would love it. He would probably be re-instated in less than a year. Don't hold your breath for that to happen, though. The Hall of Fame is where I run into a problem. Pete obviously belongs inthe Hall of Fame based on his accomplishments as a player alone. Isn't that what the Hall is supposed to be about? Forget confusing the banishment issue with the Hall for awhile. The rule that was passed in 1991 saying that nobody on baseball's inelligible list could be considered for the Hall was clearly instated so that Pete wouldn't get his due. If they are going to perpetually keep Pete (and others long overdue like Shoeless Joe) out, then they might as well go unscrew Ty Cobb's plaque from the wall (racist, gambler), Tris Speaker's (gambler) and Mickey Mantle's (womanizer, drunk). Columnist George Will once made a point that as Americans, we frequently want too much out of our sports heroes. We want them to be "good at life" in addition to being good on the field. Sometimes that is a bit much to askall of the time. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: bobs7714 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Czar Bud Someone earlier made a comment about Pete not being in the Hall of Fame. Well, being from the Cincinnati area here is my two cents worth. If we were to have "role models" only in the Hall what are the Babe and the Mick doing there? Both were adulterers and drunks. What about "Things go better with coke" Fergie Jenkins? Pete was never officially proven to have gambled. Key word is "officially". Good old Bart must have been buried with his boots sticking out of the ground because Bud is still polishing them! Bob Schaub To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: czar Bud Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:28:18 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net Another point in the proposed contraction that goes unnoticed outside of Minnesota. If the Twins are gone, Milwaukee is the closest MLB team to Minnesota. I would think that the Brewers could (and would) expand their TV broadcasting into Minnesota. More money for Bud, er I mean his daughter, if the Twins are Couple that with more fans taking roadtrips to Milwaukee to catch a game. When the Brewers were in the AL, some local tour companies scheduled lots of bus trips for Twins/Brewers games in Milwaukee. It was a strong draw among those who hate the Dome and long for outdoor baseball in Minnesota. Of course, the creppiest thing about Bud is that he appears to have no skeleton. He looks like a rubber chicken with a bad toupee. :) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" Subject: Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:31:45 -0700 From: Steve Carter More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It was really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my garage worked for me). 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. Steve Carter Applications Engineering Manager Multek - Roseville (651) 697-8971 Direct (651) 697-8900 Main ================= To: scarter@multek.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:53:14 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" As a fellow engineer, I applaud your technique - and you properly wrote up the procedure! I will also confess that I also did this, only with a pair of shears and a vice grip - the only PSA card I owned and I could not stand the thought of this card being by itself and not in a binder. >From: Steve Carter >To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:31:45 -0700 >More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. >I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It was >really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no >1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my garage >worked for me). >2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) >3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until >card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces >4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs >5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle >When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less >PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. >Steve Carter >Applications Engineering Manager >Multek - Roseville >(651) 697-8971 Direct >(651) 697-8900 Main MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:54:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: HOF From: "david_skoglund_mn" All this talk about Pete Rose and the HOF... Cobb has been mentioned a couple of times. I seem to recall reading in a Cobb biography that he was caught fixing a couple of games, but Landis burried the incident "for the good of the game." This would have been shortly after the Black Sox, and it was felt that baseball couldn't take another scandal and survive. I also dimly recall that there was an unsolved murder that Cobb was implicated in. Don't remember the details. I know he nearly beat a night porter to death in some hotel. Anyway, my point is, unless they're going to start removing members of the hall for things they did off the field, it doesn't make sense to keep certain others out of the hall. As long as Cobb stays in the HOF, Rose and Jackson should be allowed in as well. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:31:30 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue From: Neal Thomas Nicely done. I too have tried a few techniques for this type of rescue. One that I do not recommend is a screwdriver-twisting-in-the- little-slots technique that I used for a Yaz RC a while back. ALthough Yaz was intact (at least as far as a PSA 2 can be), I was left less than unscathed with a decent scratch/gash in my holding hand. Since then, I have used the brute force hammer technique as well. Just remember to "always wear your safety goggles" ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: 06/21/2002 11:53am As a fellow engineer, I applaud your technique - and you properly wrote up the procedure! I will also confess that I also did this, only with a of shears and a vice grip - the only PSA card I owned and I could not the thought of this card being by itself and not in a binder. >From: Steve Carter >To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:31:45 -0700 >More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. >I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It was >really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no >1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my >worked for me). >2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) >3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, >card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces >4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs >5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle >When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one >PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. >Steve Carter >Applications Engineering Manager >Multek - Roseville >(651) 697-8971 Direct >(651) 697-8900 Main MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:49:58 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" I think it was Andy Cook who explained the simple method that's worked best for me. Andy, correct or clarify if I get this wrong.-- Use a pair of pliers to snap off the two corners of the case furthest from the card-- then the card should come right out. Happy demolitions--- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Thomas" To: Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > Gentlemen- > Nicely done. I too have tried a few techniques for this type of > rescue. One that I do not recommend is a screwdriver-twisting-in-the- > little-slots technique that I used for a Yaz RC a while back. > ALthough Yaz was intact (at least as far as a PSA 2 can be), I was > left less than unscathed with a decent scratch/gash in my holding > hand. Since then, I have used the brute force hammer technique as > well. Just remember to "always wear your safety goggles" > Neal > ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- > Originally From: "Joe Isaac" > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > Date: 06/21/2002 11:53am > Steve, > As a fellow engineer, I applaud your technique - and you properly > wrote up > the procedure! I will also confess that I also did this, only with a > pair > of shears and a vice grip - the only PSA card I owned and I could not > stand > the thought of this card being by itself and not in a binder. > Joe > >From: Steve Carter > >To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > >Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:31:45 -0700 > > > >More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. > > > >I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. > It was > >really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who > have no > >experience: > > > >1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my > garage > >worked for me). > >2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) > >3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, > until > >card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces > >4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs > >5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle > > > >When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one > less > >PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. > > > >Steve Carter > >Applications Engineering Manager > >Multek - Roseville > >(651) 697-8971 Direct > >(651) 697-8900 Main > >steve.carter@multek.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- > -> > Free $5 Love Reading > Risk Free! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > ~-> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings \(E-mail\)" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:57:11 -0400 From: "John Collins" I have found the best method for liberating cards from PSA cases involves acan opener and a screwdriver to pry the edges up. SGC slabs are a bit more difficult -- that one broke by can opener. As of yet, I have not had the pleasure of cracking a Beckett slab, but I keep hoping. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Carter To: OBC Ramblings (E-mail) Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It was really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my garage worked for me). 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. Steve Carter Applications Engineering Manager Multek - Roseville (651) 697-8971 Direct (651) 697-8900 Main Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:14:34 EDT Subject: Brock Hattox 52 Hi #'s show up in Canada!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- check out ebay # eBay item 1836792963 (Ends Jun-21-0211:... take a look at the 2nd card pictured- the Eddie Pellagrini-Brock Hattox 1952 Hi# shows up in Canadian ebay auction!!! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings \(E-mail\)" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:05:14 -0500 From: "Michael or Alexis Wierzbicki" It is important to circulate the best ways to remove cards from slabs, since the slabbed cards keep breaking the spokes on my bike. (an old line, buta good one) Mike W. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Ramblings (E-mail) ; Steve Carter Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue I have found the best method for liberating cards from PSA cases involvesa can opener and a screwdriver to pry the edges up. SGC slabs are a bit more difficult -- that one broke by can opener. As of yet, I have not had the pleasure of cracking a Beckett slab, but I keep hoping. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Carter To: OBC Ramblings (E-mail) Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. Itwas really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who haveno 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my garage worked for me). 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. Steve Carter Applications Engineering Manager Multek - Roseville (651) 697-8971 Direct (651) 697-8900 Main To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:29:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Friday update of Rick's list From: "alcattle" No new cards came in, more offers of money to help out and someone offered to send one from there set if needed. Bob Reed is the main bidder, Dan and I are also watching the boards. I got a bunch of mail on the way to work with some stuff for Rick and I did get a get well card. It looks like it will be another week before I mail out the package so if you want to include your stuff in the "healing power" package, send it to me. Thanks to those helping out, lets find some others to join in the hunt. 59 Topps . 514 Gibson RC, 515 Killebrew, 543 Corsair Trio (Clemente), 564 Mantle AS ================= Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:55:52 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 6/20/02 5:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time Date: Saturday Aug. 10th To: , From: "David Kolenda" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update ================= To: "OBC Ramblings \(E-mail\)" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 21:09:08 -0700 From: "yaz" I get this vision of a bunch of us standing around in a circle in front of horrified dealers at the National, cracking open slabbed prisoners. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Carter" To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:31 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. > I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It > really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no > experience: > 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my garage > worked for me). > 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) > 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until > card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces > 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs > 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle > When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less > PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. > Steve Carter > Applications Engineering Manager > Multek - Roseville > (651) 697-8971 Direct > (651) 697-8900 Main > steve.carter@multek.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:36:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Card Search and Rescue From: "alcattle" I like it, I have some that need the fresh air. I can bring a couple slabs if some one local brings the tools! Big Al in Seattle --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "yaz" wrote: > I get this vision of a bunch of us standing around in a circle in front of > horrified dealers at the National, cracking open slabbed prisoners. > Greg (yaz) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve Carter" > To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:31 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > > More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. > > > > I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last night. It > was > > really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those who have no > > experience: > > > > 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my > > worked for me). > > 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) > > 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple times, until > > card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces > > 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs > > 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle > > > > When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is one less > > PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. > > > > Steve Carter > > Applications Engineering Manager > > Multek - Roseville > > (651) 697-8971 Direct > > (651) 697-8900 Main > > steve.carter@m... > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ================= To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Card Search and Rescue Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 22:44:33 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" You may want to try a "modified Steve" - place the card holder inside some newspaper or equivalent, fold the corners, then strike. The clean up will be much easier and safety is not a concern. >From: "alcattle" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Card Search and Rescue >Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 02:36:46 -0000 >I like it, I have some that need the fresh air. I can bring a couple >slabs if >some one local brings the tools! >Big Al in Seattle >--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "yaz" wrote: > > I get this vision of a bunch of us standing around in a circle in >front of > > horrified dealers at the National, cracking open slabbed prisoners. > > > > Greg (yaz) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Steve Carter" > > To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:31 AM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Search and Rescue > > > > > > > More fun than a human being should be allowed to have. > > > > > > I liberated a card from a PSA holder for the first time last >night. It > > was > > > really a good time. Allow me to outline the process for those >who have no > > > experience: > > > > > > 1) Place the card holder on a flat, hard surface (the floor of my > > > worked for me). > > > 2) Acquire a striking apparatus (a hammer) > > > 3) Apply the striking apparatus to the card holder multiple >times, until > > > card holder fractures into thousands of tiny, little pieces > > > 4) Liberate card from holder and put into binder where it belongs > > > 5) Sweep up little pieces and recycle > > > > > > When you check your PSA population reports from now on, there is >one less > > > PSA 1 1954 Ernie Banks (RC) in the world as of today. > > > > > > Steve Carter > > > Applications Engineering Manager > > > Multek - Roseville > > > (651) 697-8971 Direct > > > (651) 697-8900 Main > > > steve.carter@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= To: Subject: De-slabbing the National Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:43:38 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I think I would go out of my way to buy a slabbed card just to participate in such a worthy event. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 00:00:11 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's New Updated 1955 list From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Looks like AL is making great headway on Rick's '59 list. Here is what Rick still needs for 1955, including some toughies which are even scarce on eBay: 050 (Robinson) 092 (Zimmer) 125 (Boyer) 155 (Matthews) 161 (Tanner) 162 164 (Clemente RC) 169 187 (Hodges) 189 (Rizzuto) 190 (Woodling) 195 (Roebuck) 198 (Berra) 210(Snider)(14 left) ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 05:51:28 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-NationaSubject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update Date: 6/20/02 5:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com (David Kolenda) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday Aug. 10th To: , From: "David Kolenda" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 15:08:16 EDT Subject: Set completed and availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I spent some time with Roger Neufeldt, Oklahoma's premier dealer, while he was in Atlanta this weekend, and picked up the Bobby Doerr 1941 Play Ball that I needed to complete the set. Also did some upgrading, and refilled my dupes box. One card that I have that may be of special interest to you Red Sox fans is a 1952 Topps Del Wilbur, Hi #383. This card has what looks to be a legitimate Del Wilbur autograph across the front. If this has special meaning to anyone, please get back to me with a proposal. I would say the card is G, due to creases, but well-centered and unrounded corners. Have a great weekend, ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:04:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: virus warning From: "alcattle" Just got an Email from Jim Hatch. 133k of blank message. I am on web mail so it won't get me but beware and tell Jim he is infected. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:20:08 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Kile found dead on his hotel bed in Chicago at age 33 From: keithsummers@webtv.net Just announced during Red Sox/Dodgers game. Larussa was having a tough time during interview, No other details available at the moment :-( Mike Mussina & Kile had 2 of the best curve balls ever. Green just homered off Lowe. ================= Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 20:41:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: virus warning From: "jrhatchjr" Very interesting...thanks for letting me know. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "alcattle" wrote: > Just got an Email from Jim Hatch. 133k of blank message. I am on > mail so it won't get me but beware and tell Jim he is infected. > Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "Glenn Codere" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 16:35:55 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" IMO, this guy is a world-class jerk. In addition to the already mentioned shipping charges, he doesn't like neutral feedback. I recently left him neutral and got a flaming neutral in return. Never mind the fact that I paidpromptly and was professional on my end. Around two weeks after the auction, I sent him a simple email asking about the status of my card. The whole deal took around three weeks, so I left a N, which is certainly within myrights. In return, I got this N - "Bidder makes unreasonable demands! Feedback bomber! Cancel users bids! Lemme see - asking about status is an unreasonable demand? A neutral feedback is bombing? And nevermind the fact that in return for the expected positive rating, this dude can't be botheredto give a positive of his own. I'll be avoiding this guy. A very immature and vindictive person. My .02 http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark S Talbot To: Glenn Codere Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Heads Up!!! 1965 Hi#s on Ebay Hello All. Just a quick side note to MCBUSINESSOLUTIONS auctions. He does not cut any slack with regards to shipping charges. So bid accordingly!!!! He charges $2 for the first card and 50=A2 for every other card. I recently won 33 cards from him and he will not budge from the $18 that he wants to charge for S&H. If you take that into account then there is nothing to worryabout. Now I got a bunch of deals on the last auction but I was hoping that he would be "reasonable" about the fees - he will not be. Just a "heads-up" to those of you that are concerned about such things. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * Glenn Codere wrote: Guys,Ebayer "mcbusinesssolutionz" are currently auctioning a huge rakeof 1965 hi numbers, all starting at 50c. These items finish in 2 days and most of them have no bids as yet. There's a load here that I'd like to go for, but they don't credit cards or PayPal.Have at them, varlets!GlennGlasgow, To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:14:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] De-slabbing the National To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com This sounds like a great event. We should invite the press!!! - Doug ================= To: , "jrhatchjr" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: virus warning Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 23:58:28 -0700 From: "yaz" This is more of the same as last month. I picked up 4 or 5 in the last week, blank looking pages supposedly from some random OBCer. A glance at the properties shows a different source though. It's safe to assume at least one OBCer has the virus but not necessarily the one who's address appears as the Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrhatchjr" To: Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: virus warning > Very interesting...thanks for letting me know. > Jim > --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "alcattle" wrote: > > Just got an Email from Jim Hatch. 133k of blank message. I am on > web > > mail so it won't get me but beware and tell Jim he is infected. > > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-National] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 00:15:26 -0700 From: "yaz" From: David Kolenda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-National@yahoogroups.com ; ChicoDSubject: [OBC-National] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-NatioSubject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update Date: 6/20/02 5:55:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com (David Kolenda) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday Aug. 10th To: , From: "David Kolenda" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:49:00 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Natl. Update ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:40:34 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: virus warning To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Perhaps klez is still lurking in cyberspace. I downloaded the latest virus diagnostic last night and I am clean from klez. The program (and other information on klez) can be downloaded here: Symantec Security Response - W32.Klez Removal Tool In a message dated 6/23/02 1:00:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yaz@sigecom.net > This is more of the same as last month. I picked up 4 or 5 in the last week, > blank looking pages supposedly from some random OBCer. A glance at the > properties shows a different source though. It's safe to assume at least one > OBCer has the virus but not necessarily the one who's address appears as the > sender. > Greg (yaz) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jrhatchjr" > To: > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:41 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: virus warning > > Very interesting...thanks for letting me know. > > > > Jim > > --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "alcattle" wrote: > > > Just got an Email from Jim Hatch. 133k of blank message. I am on > > web > > > mail so it won't get me but beware and tell Jim he is infected. > > > Big Al in Seattle > > ================= To: kellysdad@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Orioles Fans and Fleer Stickers Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:23:34 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" I remembered I have some, so I dug them up and did a little homework. This is what I found out, based on what I have: 1985 team emblems - blue fronts with team emblem, sweepstakes rules on back (entry deadline 7/30/85) 1985 uniform tops - yellow fronts with uniform tops, sweepstakes rules on back (entry deadline 7/30/85) 1986 Famous Feats - yellow on both sides, looks like 2 types, a pennant and a team emblem (set of 22) 1987 blue backs with team emblem on ball holder, white fronts with another team with glove 1987 blue backs with 2 teams, white fronts with a 3rd team with glove 1988 stadium cards - black and white arial view of stadium on front, sticker on back (green backs) 1989 - team history (year is printed on front bottom) 1990 - baseball quiz (year is printed on front bottom) 1991 - top 10 batting avg, HR, H, RBI (year is printed on front bottom) W.S. stickers - my guess is 1980 since the last card is 1979 and the team stats are from 1979. Hope that helps. >From: "Brad Chambers" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Orioles Fans and Fleer Stickers >Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 14:37:04 +0000 >Two separate ramblings in one: >1) Any really true blue Orioles fans out there, ESPECIALLY from the 50s >through the 70s, let me know why you are the truest and bluest Oriole fan >from those decades and you will receive the grand prize. >2) I'd asked this before and got no response so thought I'd give it one >more shot. Can anyone tell me how to identify the Fleer stickers from the >late 80s early 90s? I have a bunch. Some with team name and statistics, >some with the same All-Star cartoon look that they did in 70 and 71; some >say Grand Slam Hi Gloss on the front, some have a picture of I think Yankee >Stadium on the reverse when you put the 40 or so cards together to make a >collage, and it has World Series in really psychodelic script. Lots of >types. Any help? >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 15:52:50 EDT Subject: Uniforms again To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Why is it that so few major league teams use green in their uniforms? A's have done OK with that color. ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 16:31:57 EDT Subject: availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i picked up these 65 topps hi # cards real cheap on the card shop bid board yesterday and they are available- 1965 topps hi # 579- Dick Smith -Dodger- trimmed approx 2 mm at top 1965 topps hi # 557- Jose Santiago-trimmed approx 2 mm at top 1965 topps hi # 542- Lou Klimchcok-trimmed approx 2 mm at bottom 1964 TOPPS hi # 549- Joe Moeller- Dodger- ink writing on back- "U R 21 G-(the "G" is upside down) 1948 Leaf Football # 24- James Martin - End -Notre Dame t- 206- Beck, Boston- fielding pose-Vg- no back damage - all writing legible -Sweet Caporal back--front good shape- no scuffs or damage except for a nick in white border about half way up right hand side- 52 topps # 28-red back- Jerry Priddy-- G+ condition - creases- no back damage- all text readable 1948 Bowman Basketball # 7-John Logan - Vg Condition- no front or back damage or scuffs- all text readable- Forward- St. Louis Bombers- (Bombers!!!- no team today would - dare use that name-) 1953 topps # 3- George Crowe-crease at top of card ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 19:40:08 EDT Subject: Huzzah!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com For those who don't know (like me two days ago), "huzzah" was a word shouted after a splendid play during baseball games in the 19th century. Today I witnessed my first vintage base ball (two words) game, where players wore old time uniforms and played without gloves using rules from 1884. I've read about this before and watching the game was quite a treat. What was more of a treat was that I got to watch it at McCoy Stadium, home of the Pawtucket Red Sox (AAA) before their game with the Charlotte Knights. I had never been to McCoy before and the newly renovated stadium was quite impressive. Even more of a treat was that I watched these games with my wife Christina and Spike Glidden whom we met there. What could be better? How about a nice weather day, some skeds, and a come from behind 5-4 victory by the PawSox? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:49:02 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Testing 1...2..3.. From: Dan Austin Testing to verify that my Yahoo! groups stuff has been re-enabled... Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Tipton Ted Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 23:36:08 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1837941498 What should be a rather affordable '56 Williams for those of you who might need it. Current bid is $4 something with two days left. John C. Collins ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 04:33:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vacation From: "alcattle" Or close the California borders while there's still time... For the first time ever Boeing is offering time off during the 4th of July week. At least the first time that I had enough vacation to take advantage of the offer. So next Saturday I am heading south. Right now the plan is my oldest daughter is coming with me and we are going through Oregon to Reno for 3 days then over the pass to Sacramento Wednesday and on to LA for 3 days. I will head home the following Saturday and return to work to rest up. I have already warned Perter but any one else in the LA area who wants to meet up, email me before I leave. I have not heard from Rick if he will be hiome or out looking for terrorists that day. nd even though it has been a tough month for him I hope to see Brian Lindholme on the way south. Would love to hook up with any OBC'er during the next week or so. Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 04:37:52 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sunday update for Rick Attack From: "alcattle" Down to 3 cards. I messed up and missed the Killebrew that Bob had bid on but won the Corsair Trio. So 514, 525 and 564 are left to find. We have more bids open but time is running out. I will either mail out the incomplete set or wait umtil I get back from vacation. Up to you folks if we get the cards in time. We have lots of offers to help with cash if someone has a source besides Ebay. Let me know real soon. Big Al ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:56:17 EDT Subject: childhood card valuations + a "cool" card To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i remember as a kid cards weren't valued in $$ assigned later by price guides but only what could be obtained in trade for them or how much you liked a particular card-There was no monetary value for a card when i was a kid- and some cards were sought not only because of the player on them who may be a favorite on a favorite team but for other esoteric reasons- Some cards were treasured and highly sought after because they were "cool" - One such card was 72 topps # 19- Billy Cowan- Every kid in my elementary school wanted that card- and since i was the only girl in my school who collected cards i would never trade that one for any card- it was cool because the player is posed with some sort of a tower in back of him and a round thing on top of the tower making it look like a halo is over his head-that was an almost errie combination -- and the card says "Angels" just above the player with a halo over his cap-it was simply "The Angel" card and was the most sought after desired card i can remember as a kid-Remember, i was in elementary school and kids sometimes collected cards for other reasons than the players on them who they might not be familiar with anyway- some kids collected cards with their favorite color in the background- others by the initials of the players names- An older boy once offered me 3 Mickey Mantle cards- a 67,68,69 topps for that 1972 Angels card - i said, "NO WAY-I ain't trading my special Angel card-" ( i had plently of Mantle's anyway)--- oh how Beckett has corrupted my childhood view of the "value" of cards- Linda ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:58:11 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: wantlist project From: john harrell I tried sending this directly to Lynn but it got bounced back so pardon the Lynn, the sets I am currently working on are: t205, 1933 Goudey, 1933 Delong, 1933 Tattoo Orbit, 1933 Canadian Goudey, 1934 Canadian Goudey, 1935 Goudey, 1936 S & S Game cards, 1938 Goudey, 1941 Goudey, 1941 Double Play, 1949 M.P.& Co., 1953 Bowman B/W, 1953 Bowman color, 1954 Bowman, 1955 Topps, 1957 Topps, 1958 Topps, 1959 Topps, 1967 Topps, 1968 Topps, 1969 Topps + White letter variations, 1971 Topps, 1972 Thanks for tackling this project. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 12:57:53 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Huzzah!! To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I am sure you and Spike were wonderful cranks (fans) and did not jeer when a fielder made a boodle (error). Were you condues the first time a batter was called out, whena fielder caught the ball on 1 bound? Were there any controversies over a runner forgetting to ring the bell near home plate, to let everyone know that he had scored a tally? Gives new meaning to the phrase, "Baseball, the way it was meant to be played.") Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:39:13 EDT Subject: Quick Thanks and **Hat Update** To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, First a brief thanks note: I got three important deliveries today. The first was a letter from Lynn Miller, who finishes the 48/49 Leaf set... in theory anyway. I got a Warren Spahn RC that was in super shape except for the typed words on the back that read 'reprint 143'. THANKS LYNN!! Guru chimed in with an addition to the hat fund. He must've added in a little interest with his donation ;-) THANKS GURU!! Now for the important announcement: ***THE HATS HAVE ARRIVED!!*** Lynn sent a box containing the first 50 hats via airmail. When I first saw the box, I noticed that Lynn broke the record for most stamps used on a package to me (formerly held by Linda) with the thirty on the top... then I noticed the side panel of the box, which had another TWO HUNDRED of the same stamp! The meeting this Thursday in Rex' hotel room will be the first opportunity I have to start passing them out. (The SABR convention is in Boston this week.) I'm going to give Rex a couple extra to pass out to the Minnesota contingency, so those people can expect a hat to arrive in the next couple weeks. The remainder of the hats (at least the ones in this box) will be distributed at The National. I want to remind everyone that it's still not too late to make reservations to attend the cookout on Friday Aug. 9th (David K's house) and/or the OBC swap session on Sat. Aug. 10th (Best Western hotel in Elk Grove Village, IL). The final 100 hats (pending their arrival) will be passed out via snail mail or on my next trips to Ft. Washington (Sept.) or Miami (the week before and after Oct. 6th - I'm driving down to see the Pats play a road game vs. the Dolphins). PLMK if you can meet up with me along the way or at either of those events. Hope to meet up with a bunch of you somewhere soon. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:16:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Bowman Color on Ebay From: "mikesportsfan" Looks like a great starter set for someone. No bids yet and ends today at 10:30 est. Ebay #1837604493. Look better than the P-F described in the text. At $3 - $4 a card not bad. ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:28:16 -0700 To: mikesportsfan Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Bowman Color on Ebay From: OK Mike I think I will On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 23:16:29 -0000 mikesportsfan Looks like a great starter set for someone. No bids yet and ends today at 10:30 est. Ebay #1837604493. Look better than the P-F described in the text. At $3 - $4 a card not bad. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:51:04 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] wantlist project From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood I too got the same message. Please excuse the message. I am collecting the following: 1953 B&W 1953 Color 1955 (Autographed) Diamond Stars 1983 Hall of Fame Heroes (Autographed) 1959 Ted Williams Golden Press Hostess / Twinkies 1985 Home Run Champions (Autographed) 1951 Blue Backs 1951 Red Backs Other Sports 1888 Allen & Ginter N3 1888 Allen & Ginter N4 1888 Allen & Ginter N20 1909 T-29 1909 T-59 1909 T-99 1953 Topps Look n' See 1956 Topps Presidents Please let me know if you need a "neater" format. Thank you for undertaking this enormous task. Erik Greenwood john harrell wrote: > I tried sending this directly to Lynn but it got bounced back so pardon the > clutter. ================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:21:23 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick's New Updated 1955 list From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Looks like Al is going to knock off Rick's '59 list in short time, and the cards have been rolling in for his 1955 set, including some toughies. There are preliminary rumors about a potential donor for the CLemente RC, which makes this go from a pipedream to a reasonable set to finish. Here is what is still needed: 050 (Robinson) 092 (Zimmer) 155 (Matthews) 161 (Tanner) 162 164 (Clemente RC) 169 187 (Hodges) 189 (Rizzuto) 190 (Woodling) 195 (Roebuck) 198 (Berra) 210(Snider)(13 left) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 21:46:35 EDT Subject: Mantle Pinnacle set record price To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- WHY would somebody pay so much for this set which i have won on ebay for less than $10??? This must be a record price for this set- eBay item 1837805640 (Ends Jun-25-0217:... i like bidding this set of my favorite player for under $10 and breaking them up and sending out single cards to traders- Linda ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?eBay_item_1839028991_=28Ends_Jun-30-02194235_PDT_=29_-_?Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 22:02:24 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This one is cheap. Opens at $10. Buy it now for $15. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1839028991 ================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 05:17:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick attack draws close From: "alcattle" For those of you scoring at home, Cross 1 more off the list. I won the Mantle AS after a furious round of late bids. I am on the Gibson rookie with good prospects as the same card closed last time with no bids. That leaves Killer as in #515 Killebrew. Toppsforever is holding that bid with 2 days or so, I might have to go for it as they are hard to find on Ebay. Anyone wishing to donate cash can send it to me as the Mantle really hurt the Paypal account. I know there were at least 5 people who offered and a couple more who would glad to donate some cash now that they don't have to give up thier Mantle, not that I blame them. Some cards have meaning and that is a lot of the reason we collect these silly things. Everyone who sent cards, or money no matter what it was will get thier name on the get well card. The rest of the group will have to settle on the OBC at the bottom. This will have so much healing power, Rick might just make the National. Dream Big!! Big Al in Seattle ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick attack draws close Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 06:23:07 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Al, I have the Gibson rookie to send to you if needed. If it's not needed give me your paypal account name and I'll kick in some to help with the Killebrew. Let me know. I GOT UM YOU NEED UM YOU GET UM. ----- Original Message ----- From: "alcattle" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick attack draws close > For those of you scoring at home, Cross 1 more off the list. I won > the Mantle AS after a furious round of late bids. I am on the Gibson > rookie with good prospects as the same card closed last time with no > bids. That leaves Killer as in #515 Killebrew. Toppsforever is > holding that bid with 2 days or so, I might have to go for it as they > are hard to find on Ebay. Anyone wishing to donate cash can send it > to me as the Mantle really hurt the Paypal account. I know there were > at least 5 people who offered and a couple more who would glad to > donate some cash now that they don't have to give up thier Mantle, > not that I blame them. Some cards have meaning and that is a lot of > the reason we collect these silly things. Everyone who sent cards, or > money no matter what it was will get thier name on the get well card. > The rest of the group will have to settle on the OBC at the bottom. > This will have so much healing power, Rick might just make the > National. Dream Big!! > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 08:02:37 -0400 Subject: Let us be heard! To: OBC Ramblings From: Jimmy Parker Don't know if anyone has brought this up, but figured I'd put it up here for all to see: http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/baseball020625.html ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:02:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One to go Rick list From: "alcattle" Down to the last card, #515. I am high bidder and will try to win that one. I am getting a lot more offers to help out with Cash so we can close out this part of the Rick Attack. If it is easier for those of you who want to send money to use Paypal, send it to this account (alcattle@go.com) or just a check or MO to the PO Box. I don't think I can take Credit cards on that account but if this is a problem let me know and I will find out from Paypal. The last 3 cards are going to cost about $125 so about $10 each for those who have come forward will take care of that. If we have a lot more people waiting to donate or if someone sends more than that, the excess will go to the '55 Topps fund or to flowers for Rick and family. He might need some cheering up before he recovers and books tickets to the National!! Keep on dreaming and praying, miracles happen every day! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2002 23:48:50 EDT Subject: what does "cut in" mean?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i saw this lot of 1959 topps cards on ebay and the description has some of the higher grade cards are "cut in" - i have never seen this term before- what does it mean? and how can cards be described as higher grade if they are creased and "cut in"??? eBay item 1838966699 (Ends Jun-30-0217:... ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT Subject: Why has this card become so valuable?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i checked in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this card suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 04:31:35 -0400 (EDT) To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: 65 Giants card/ Japan/ 4-67 baseball digest/ trivia / boxing From: keithsummers@webtv.net I "believe" he was the first MLB player born in Japan. I guess interest went up as Suzuki, Ichiro & others make their way over here to the USA. Combine that with the birth of ebay & the interenet boom & that explains things. BTW, I have always wondered what the distance was/ is from home plate to the right field foul pole in most of the parks in Japan in the 1970s. Anybody know? I have an extra copy of 4-67 baseball digest which has the stats, skeds & rosters for the upcoming year. Slightly damaged back cover, but it is free. I have an OBC keychain for the first person who can guess which former MLB guy hit a grand slam in his first AND last AB. I have a VHS tape called something like MICKEY MANTLE baseball card video or video baseball card (I don't have it in front of me now). It has nothing to do with baseball cards except it pictures one on the box I think. It basically should be called The Mickey Mantle Story. It was sealed when I opened it a few months ago but had a small plastic piece chipped off & it's rattling around inside. But it plays fine. Priority goes to anyone I STILL owe (Lynn, Grant, Linda, both Kens, Bob, Wayne, etc, etc). If anyone taped either episode of celebrity boxing, I'd like to borrow, buy or trade for it, or a copy :-) ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:22:15 -0400 From: "John Collins" I believe that with the recent influx of Japanese players into the majors, (Ichiro, Sasaki, etc.) that more attention has turned on the Murakami rookie. He was the first Japanese player ever in the majors. Just a guess, but it stands to reason. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i checked in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this card suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: 1965 Murakami Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 08:34:14 -0400 From: "ochiai" Linda asked: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Why has this card become so valuable?? hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i checked in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this card suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda Murakami was the first Japanese player in the Major Leagues. He played in 1964 and 1965 before his Japanese team, the Nankai Hawks, forced him to return to Japan. After Murakami, the Majors and Japanese baseball reached an agreement where MLB promised that it wouldn't raid Japan for players. Nomobroke down that barrier by retiring from Japanese ball before coming to the US. Had Nomo failed with the Dodgers, he probably would not have been allowed back into Japanese professional ball. Interestingly, the rise in price of this card was partly due to two of my friends who began to horde it. At one point my close friend had over 100 ofthem, and dealers would set the card aside for him. The card is also verypopular in Japan rob fitts http://www.robsjapanesecards.com ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:23:51 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Rob Fitts, John Collins, and Keith Summers have all opined that the value of this card relates to Murakami being the first Japanese player in the US. That makes sense. What I would like to know is WHEN did the card take a big jump in Beckett. My 1997 Beckett lists the card at $35 so the price went up long before Kazuhiro Sasaki or Ichiro Suzuki made the scene. Does anyone have Becketts from 90 to 96? It would be most interesting to find out if the jump was sudden or gradual, and when the increase in value occurred. -Dave Fallen From: ochiai To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Linda asked: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Why has this card become so valuable?? hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i checked in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this card suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda Murakami was the first Japanese player in the Major Leagues. He played in 1964 and 1965 before his Japanese team, the Nankai Hawks, forced him to return to Japan. After Murakami, the Majors and Japanese baseball reached an agreement where MLB promised that it wouldn't raid Japan for players. Nomo broke down that barrier by retiring from Japanese ball before coming to the US. Had Nomo failed with the Dodgers, he probably would not have been allowed back into Japanese professional ball. Interestingly, the rise in price of this card was partly due to two of myfriends who began to horde it. At one point my close friend had over 100 of them, and dealers would set the card aside for him. The card is also very popular in Japan rob fitts http://www.robsjapanesecards.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:26:42 -0700 From: Steve Carter My 1992 Beckett has the value at $4. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Fallen [mailto:dfallen@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 9:24 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Rob Fitts, John Collins, and Keith Summers have all opined that the value of this card relates to Murakami being the first Japanese player in the US. That makes sense. What I would like to know is WHEN did the card take a big jump in Beckett. My 1997 Beckett lists the card at $35 so the price went up long before Kazuhiro Sasaki or Ichiro Suzuki made the scene. Does anyone have Becketts from 90 to 96? It would be most interesting to find out if the jump was sudden or gradual, and when the increase in value occurred. -Dave Fallen From: ochiai To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Linda asked: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Why has this card become so valuable?? hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i checked in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this card suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda Murakami was the first Japanese player in the Major Leagues. He played in 1964 and 1965 before his Japanese team, the Nankai Hawks, forced him to return to Japan. After Murakami, the Majors and Japanese baseball reached an agreement where MLB promised that it wouldn't raid Japan for players. Nomo broke down that barrier by retiring from Japanese ball before coming to the US. Had Nomo failed with the Dodgers, he probably would not have been allowed back into Japanese professional ball. Interestingly, the rise in price of this card was partly due to two of my friends who began to horde it. At one point my close friend had over 100 of them, and dealers would set the card aside for him. The card is also very popular in Japan rob fitts http://www.robsjapanesecards.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= To: Subject: negro league collectors Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:07:18 -0400 From: "ochiai" I'm trying to sell a very rare card of Negro league player John Britton. Does anybody know of series Negro League collectors and/or collecting websites? http://www.robsjapanesecards.com ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 11:14:59 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami To: dfallen@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com The Murakami card has had a premium (locally in the Bay Area) for over ten years, possibly due to a large Asian population here & partially due to it being a Giants card. While Murakami may hold the distinction of the first Asian on a major league card, Fibber Hirayama made it onto the 1952 Knowles Service Station / Stockton Ports (California League) set. That card has sold for upwards of $500 in the past, along the "book" does NOT reflect that. As far as I know the earliest Asians in American professional ball were Kenso Nushida (Sacramento PCL 1932) & Lee Gum Hong (Oakland PCL 1932), although neither had card appearances. Keep in mind that there are several cultural collectors that seek this card as well (NOT just sports collectors).... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 17:46:17 +0000 From: mattglidden@attbi.com Another log on the fire, as far as timing goes. Nomo started his MLB career in 1995, and the Mariners signed Mac Suzuki to a free agent contract in late 1993, with expectations as high as the speed of his fastball at the time (~96mph, if memory serves). I would guess that some combination of these two elements, as well as a few "name" players choosing to go play in Japan for a while, probably brought Murakami's name into the collector's world as an extension of Japanese baseball. The cultural collectors (and Rob's friends) are also good possibilities. ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:06:05 EDT Subject: Masanori Murakami To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Linda brought up a great subject! I have a few theories on the popularity of the Murakami RC card such as: The card has to be popular because it is in the same Topps set as the Joe Morgan RC (I am sure I will hear from Terry and others on this theory)! The card is popular because it is featured in one of OBC's favorite books, look on page 61 of "BASEBALL CARD FLIPPING, TRADING AND BUBBLE GUM BOOK"! In all seriousness, I work with a Japanese American that is a close family friend of Masanori Murakami and he was invited to Candlestick the night Nomo debuted against the Giants! Murakami was invited by the Giants to throw out the first pitch (I think) and he was honored at the game and was given a skybox for his family and friends. My friend attended that game as a guest of Murakami. I suspect that the popularity of Murakami's RC card may have increased with Nomo coming to MLB. I don't recall what year it was but, I think it was sometime around 1991 that Nomo debuted as a pitcher with the Dodgers. I am sure someone will remember the exact year and if you track the card from the year of Nomo's debut I'll bet you will see an increase. I actually have a book written about Nomo and his American Debut along with the ticket stub from that first game at Candlestick but, I can't locate it right Another Baseball Quote: "Show me a guy who can't pitch inside and I'll show you a loser." -------Sandy Koufax Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 14:25:15 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Another item of note, is the OPC version of the card. The 1965 OPC BB set, is the first OPC set issued. The set was essentially a reprint of the first 283 cards of the Topps set. The third (and last) series was #197-283. These high numbers book for $8.00 Canadian ($5.50+/- US). The Murakami Rookie, is #282, the next to last card in the set. It books for $60.00 Canadian ($40.00 US). Since I only picked up that card about a year or so ago, I remember also being surprised by its book value. Luckily, I got it as a "common" high number. It is a very difficult card to find in the OPC set. To put its value in context it is tied for the 8th most expensive card in the set, with Mantle Leader cards and Warren Spahn. The only cards that have higher book prices (based upon May, 2002 Canadian Sports Monthly - sort of a Canadian Beckett) are Morgan RC, Mantle WS card, Maris, Clemente (I need an upgrade) Aaron, Rose ($275 Can., most expensive in the set and a high number) (did I mention this is 1 of 3 I need to complete the set?), Mays (another high number; and a SUPERSTAR). This makes it more valuable than Frank Robinson, Kaline, Brooks Robinson, Denny McLain (high number; and also 1 of 3 I need to complete the set), Drysdale (high number), etc. Mike Rich ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: '65 Murakami Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:46:41 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" It just so happens that I today received some ebay auction wins from a couple of weeks back. Among them was a '65 Murakami. Price? $1. The Price is Right! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "'mikesportsfan@aol.com'" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 16:18:58 -0400 From: Mark Talbot And here is an interesting side note. The `65 OPC version of the Murakami card is one of three cards that Mike Rich needs to complete the set. I don't know where I get these ideas from but don't you find that interesting. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:25 PM To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? Another item of note, is the OPC version of the card. The 1965 OPC BB set, is the first OPC set issued. The set was essentially a reprint of the first 283 cards of the Topps set. The third (and last) series was #197-283. These high numbers book for $8.00 Canadian ($5.50+/- US). The Murakami Rookie, is #282, the next to last card in the set. It books for $60.00 Canadian ($40.00 US). Since I only picked up that card about a year or so ago, I remember also being surprised by its book value. Luckily, I got it as a "common" high number. It is a very difficult card to find in the OPC To put its value in context it is tied for the 8th most expensive card in the set, with Mantle Leader cards and Warren Spahn. The only cards that have higher book prices (based upon May, 2002 Canadian Sports Monthly - sort of a Canadian Beckett) are Morgan RC, Mantle WS card, Maris, Clemente (I need an upgrade) Aaron, Rose ($275 Can., most expensive in the set and a high number) (did I mention this is 1 of 3 I need to complete the set?), Mays (another high number; and a SUPERSTAR). This makes it more valuable than Frank Robinson, Kaline, Brooks Robinson, Denny McLain (high number; and also 1 of 3 I need to complete the set), Drysdale (high number), etc. Mike Rich To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service . ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 19:07:22 EDT Subject: vacation To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all, Just a note that I'll be on vacation through next Saturday, at which time I can start counting down to the National!! Happy Collecting! ================= To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:14:21 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" One possible explanation could be the result of the recent Japanese players in the past few years, especially Ichiro, propelling this once common card to its current ridiculous price. BTW, Murakami was the first Japanese player to play in the majors. >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Why has this card become so valuable?? >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT >hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed 65 >topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i >in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this >suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this >guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing >career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value of >the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is the >card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 21:37:41 -0400 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Comic Books anyone? From: Dan Austin Well, after seeing the new Spider-Man movie, I've broken out the old comic collection and begun to do some sorting and organizing. As I did in the past few years with my baseball cards, I'd like to prune down my collection and keep just the stuff I'm really interested in collecting. That means TONS of stuff has to go! I'm hoping to get rid of between 5,000 and 8,000 comics, both old and new. Now, the question: Does anyone here do comics? Do you have kids that do them? Friends? I'm willing to swap them for other comics that I need or for sports cards from my wantlist. If you just wanted to buy them, I'd be happy to make you a good deal. LMK if you have any interest - 13,000 comic books take up a LOT of space! ;-) Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:58:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rick Attack sniped From: "alcattle" I got outbid on the last card. I got busy and did not see the end of the auction. Well, I am on another card, nicer than the one I missed but starting out higher. From Kit Young, looks good for a "mid-grade" card. Solid EX to me. Any way I will be gone when it closes so if I get out bid (again) does someone want to try and win it and I will send you the money out of the fund. Speaking of the fund, we are already half way there with the first round of Paypal transfers and other people have said they are mailing me money. If some of the rest of you want to contribute, send the money to Paypal (alcattle@go.com) or to the PO Box(mine) and you will be added to the get well card. Thanks for the help, and one more day til vacation! Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:02:43 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: 65 Topps #282 Giants Rookies Mas. Murakami/ Americans in Japan/ HRs From: keithsummers@webtv.net I took a look thru some old Becketts & compiled this info. The $ is the highest listed for the card. I can't be held liable for any errors, region variances, etc :-) ========================= 11-89= .75 (common) 10-91= 3.00 11-92= 2.50 (Tuff Stuff) 09-93= 6.50 02-94= 9.00 ========================= Feel free to paste in your additions as I do not have any issues handy from 90, 92, 96, 99, 00, 01 or 02. I esp need $ from 3-94 till 9-94 (yes I can see the $ doubled from spring training to the World Series) and 9-95 till 6-97 if you have anything in that span. Also some mags put their September issue on the news stands on July 1st. How far ahead was Beckett in 94? In an OBC Ramblings discusion, we have determined that several factors played a role such as, ebay, cultural collectors along with sports collectors, 2 friends of an OBC member (whose name escapes me) hoarding the card & of course the fact that Nomo & Sasaki entered the majors. We also learned from a very informed OBC member (Mark?) that a couple Asian players played on teams in the USA professionally many years (one in about 1932 in the PCL I think) before this guy in the mid 60s & one even had a card in a rare service station set in the 50s. Reminds me of the fact that Moses Fleetwood Walker (I think I have his name correct) was a black catcher who played for some team (not in the Negro LG) about 40-50 years before Jackie. I remember a story about a guy playing in the Negro LG but he was not black. This reminds me of that new movie where the guy gets kicked out of the NBA & dresses as a woman to play in the WNBA or such. And I won't even mention about the person (name escapes me) born as a man (then I think had a sex change op) but played as a woman tennis player. I'd like to know about Americans that have had success in Japan, esp HR hitters. I think Randy Bass was the guy about to break a HR record & the pitchers intentionally walked him like 12 of 14 ABs in his last few games just so he wouldn't break the record. How did Bob Horner do? Wasn't Matt Stairs a stand out over there? If anyone knows of a site that list the top HR seasons of players in Japan or HRs by Americans etc, please fwd it to me. Also does anyone know ABOUT how far the foul poles are from home plate in Japan? How far were they in the 70s when Oh passed Aaron with 756? Is the mound the same distance in Japan? Do they use the same type baseballs? Wood bats? Also how are prices on Japanese cards of Americans like Horner, Bass & Cromartie? Any help appreciated :-) =========================== ================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:25:06 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Test From: Lynn Miller Yahoo getting bounced emails to me, so I'm just testing to see if I can get through sometime. Lynn ================= To: Subject: 1952/53 Mother's Cookies Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 06:24:20 -0700 From: "Dave Fallen" Mother's Cookies put out some really nice baseball cards in 1952 and 1953. I have a few of the Seattle Rainiers cards and would like to complete a team set. However, the SCD checklist does not specify the teams for each card so unless I acquired every card on the check list I wouldn't know when the Seattle team set was complete. Does anyone have a breakdown of these cards by team? Does anyone else collect these cards? -Dave Fallen ================= To: dfallen@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:17:32 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" I had Becketts to mid-94 and remember that this card was still listed at $1 - 2.50. This narrows the time frame even more. >From: "Dave Fallen" >To: >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami >Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:23:51 -0700 >Rob Fitts, John Collins, and Keith Summers have all opined that the value >of this card relates to Murakami being the first Japanese player in the US. > That makes sense. >What I would like to know is WHEN did the card take a big jump in Beckett. >My 1997 Beckett lists the card at $35 so the price went up long before >Kazuhiro Sasaki or Ichiro Suzuki made the scene. Does anyone have Becketts >from 90 to 96? It would be most interesting to find out if the jump was >sudden or gradual, and when the increase in value occurred. >-Dave Fallen > From: ochiai > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 5:34 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami > Linda asked: > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 00:04:12 EDT > From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com > Subject: Why has this card become so valuable?? > hi- this is Linda- i was looking at one of my old Becketts and i noticed > topps # 282 with some Giants rookie named Murakami booked at $1.00-i > in my recent Beckett and the card suddenly is $25 to $40!-- Why is this > suddenly worth so much?- it sure isn't a hi # and i never heard of this > guy?My Beckett of the early 90s surely came out after this guys playing > career was over-and it was valued at $1 then--What would make the value > the card increase so much if the guy wasn't playing anymore?? - Why is > card of this guy worth so much now???--Linda > Murakami was the first Japanese player in the Major Leagues. He played >in 1964 and 1965 before his Japanese team, the Nankai Hawks, forced him to >return to Japan. After Murakami, the Majors and Japanese baseball reached >an agreement where MLB promised that it wouldn't raid Japan for players. >Nomo broke down that barrier by retiring from Japanese ball before coming >to the US. Had Nomo failed with the Dodgers, he probably would not have >been allowed back into Japanese professional ball. > Interestingly, the rise in price of this card was partly due to two of >my friends who began to horde it. At one point my close friend had over >100 of them, and dealers would set the card aside for him. The card is >also very popular in Japan > rob fitts > RobsJapaneseCards.com > http://www.robsjapanesecards.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: big time dealers! Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:30 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I recently had a conversation with Kit Young (or rather somebody from Kit Young's organization as the case probably is) over a card they have listed on ebay and whether or not they would consider selling it to me for a cheaper price provided that their minimum bid (steep) was not met. The response that I got, while polite, was sort of condescending in that they said yes, they would consider a reasonable offer, but also snobbishly implied "Thank God we don't have to sell all of our cards on ebay." I wrote back saying that ebay must not be their primary market because most cards there sell for what they are actually worth, and not the inflated asking price that dealers like himself have been using for years. We will see what they say if they choose to reply. Just found this interesting. To me it is kind of an admission from a dealer that they are ticked that they have to compete with ebay and the sometimes lower prices that can be found for vintage cards there. BTW, the card in question is the '41 Playball Ted Williams that Kit has up currently. I feel the price he has on it is reasonable, but not for a starting price in light of what some other examples of the card have sold for lately. Just some food for thought... ================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 15:10:13 -0400 To: jwi62@hotmail.com, dfallen@attbi.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 Murakami From: Wite3@aol.com guys...the jump in value is directly related to Hideo Nomo's big leauge debut...he was the first player from Japan to appear in a game since Murakami. The rise in value continued to grow esp. since Hideo won ROY honors and had a great season. With Sasaki and Suzuki and others entering the increase in Japanese players has increased. ================= To: Subject: '65 Murakami Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 12:34:47 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" About every 3-4 years I pick up an issue of Canadian Sports Collector, and my '94 issue values the OPC @ $13 Canadian, around $7 U.S., and they show the Topps issue as an unlisted common, $3. By May of '98, it was $60 Canadian. That reminds me, I'm due to pick up another issue. Mike is right, it is by far the toughest card in the OPC set to find in nice condition. The Topps issue isn't all that difficult. ================= To: Subject: People can be strange Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:12:36 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I guess timing is everything. Last week this would have cost you 3 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838558266 ================= Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 20:02:08 EDT Subject: Boston OBC Gathering To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I got the chance to meet up wit ha few of the guys very briefly yesterday. The SABR convention is being held at the Park Plaza hotel in Boston this year, so I got to meet up with SABR members Bob Donaldson and Ray Luurs. Spike Glidden also commuted in for the event (since he works just a few 'T' stops down). I had met all of them before with the exception of Ray, who camped out at the door around 4:45. Spike and I both inadvertantly foiled his plan by coming into the hotel through a side door. We sat down and started swapping a few cards and were soon joined by Bob (who was at the meetings, so he didn't go through the front door of the hotel either). I also got to pass out the first of the hats. About a half hour later, someone in the lobby started yelling "They're here! Over here!". I immediately thought "THEY'RE ON TO ME!" and was about ready to dash out of the lobby when I realized that no one was out looking for me... and that were finally about to be joined by Ray. Also in attendence were a couple of Ray's AOL trivia rivals and (original rules) baseball teammates. The swap session was rather brief, since both Spike and Bob had to catch trains home or wait two or three hours for the next one. I had to leave shortly afterwards, since I had a softball game to attend (it ended up getting cancelled by the huge downpour I went home in) and Ray had a meeting he needed to attend (since he was president of the group). Hopefully we can all meet up again sometime when there's more time. For souvenirs of the meeting, I got to take home a 1967 hi# Yankee Steve Hamilton card courtesy of Spike, plus a cool looking postcard from Bob with old time uniforms on it. I got to take home some extra cash as well from a couple Dealer Scum sales. THANKS GUYS!! That's all for now. I'm outta here like... um, something that ain't here. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: lynnm@piol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Test Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 23:02:32 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" I received your test message. Watch the bouncing email - perhaps this is the reason for the late posts via the ramblings server. Notice the post time, it's way off. I posted a reply to Linda's ramble about the '65 Murakami last night, and it just came to my address now, yet it was at the ramblings server on time. Who knows! >From: Lynn Miller >To: OBC Ramblings >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Test >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 17:25:06 +0800 >Yahoo getting bounced emails to me, so I'm just testing to see if I can >get through sometime. Lynn Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] People can be strange Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:06:44 -0400 From: "Joe Isaac" Not your fault Grant for the topic, but I think this is disgusting. Shame on the seller and all bidders. Flynn Kile lost her husband and 3 kids lost their father. Just my $0.02 >From: "Grant Rainsley" >To: >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] People can be strange >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:12:36 -0700 >I guess timing is everything. Last week this would have cost you 3 bucks. >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838558266 Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 09:13:51 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] People can be strange To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Ordinarily, I'd agree, but a quick check of the "disgusting" seller shows that it's simsclassicsports, who has permitted me to use literally thousands of images of cards for my Baseball Card Images CD-ROM project. At the time the lot was listed, it was accompanied by - again - literally thousands of other lots of recent autographed cards. Just do a search by seller "simsclassicsports" and include completed auctions over the past week or 2 weeks. Many thousands of lots including the keyword "autographed." The opening bid of this lot was, as always, one dollar, and there is not one word of hype in the listing. Let's not try to scorn as "disgusting" or "shameful" what could just be an unfortunate "coincidence." The buyer, on the other hand, will get what he fully deserves when he soon realizes the card isn't worth anything near what he paid for it, and obtaining any kind of turnaround profit on it is nearly hopeless. In a message dated 6/29/2002 12:07:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jwi62@hotmail.com writes: > Not your fault Grant for the topic, but I think this is disgusting. Shame > on the seller and all bidders. Flynn Kile lost her husband and 3 kids lost > their father. Just my $0.02 > >From: "Grant Rainsley" > >To: > >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] People can be strange > >Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 13:12:36 -0700 > > > >I guess timing is everything. Last week this would have cost you 3 bucks. > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1838558266 > > > >Grant > > Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College Narrator: "Fortunately, George had another trick up his sleeve." George of the Jungle (sheepishly): "George no have sleeves." ================= To: Subject: Sims Classic Sports Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 06:59:43 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Wayne and all...I was not slamming Sims in the least......it does not appear that they were trying to "cash in" on that tragedy at all...my observations were based on the behavior of the large numbers of bidders for that card....I could have worded it better... ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:04:35 EDT Subject: $4,000 for a 1951 Bowman Ralph Branca To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com check out eBay item 1838022605 (Ends Jun-26-0215:... $4,000 for a 1951 Ralph Branca AND CHECK OUT IN THE BID HISTORY WHO WAS THE FIRST TO BID ON THE COVETED CARD!!! ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:36:18 EDT Subject: Re: big time dealers! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 28 Jun 2002 11:31:30, "jcollins12" writes: << I recently had a conversation with Kit Young (or rather somebody from Kit Young's organization as the case probably is) over a card they have listed on ebay and whether or not they would consider selling it to me for a cheaper price provided that their minimum bid (steep) was not met. The response that I got, while polite, was sort of condescending in that they said yes, they would consider a reasonable offer, but also snobbishly implied "Thank God we don't have to sell all of our cards on ebay." I wrote back saying that ebay must not be their primary market because most cards there sell for what they are actually worth, and not the inflated asking price that dealers like himself have been using for years. We will see what they say if they choose to reply. Just found this interesting. To me it is kind of an admission from a dealer that they are ticked that they have to compete with ebay and the sometimes lower prices that can be found for vintage cards there. BTW, the card in question is the '41 Playball Ted Williams that Kit has up currently. I feel the price he has on it is reasonable, but not for a starting price in light of what some other examples of the card have sold for lately. >> I've also had a couple of similar experiences with Mr. Young.... with varying results. The first time was for a 51B Mantle RC that I noticed on eBay twice. Both times it went without getting a bid. It was a low grade example, so I sent him an e-mail after the second auction ended with what I felt was a fair offer (even though it was a couple hundred less than the MB on eBay.) My offer was accepted, somewhat to my surprise ...and delight, as it finished the set. A while later, I saw a very poor looking 1952 Topps set (no highs) that also gathered no interest at the min. bid. This time my offer was rejected, even though it was for a much larger percentage of their min. asking price on eBay. Kit does do a lot of business through his catalog as opposed to eBay, probably even more than he does setting up at shows (and he doesn't have a store front like a lot of dealers). However, like going to a show, the prices are negotiable to some degree. Some dealers are flexible, some are not - but it doesn't hurt to ask. I've also found that Kit's prices tend to be on the high side and a lot of the cards he has for sale can be seen several catalogs in a row because of that. He also likes to price the lower grade cards as if they were nicer - not that he overgrades, but if he has the same card in an assortment of conditions, the G/VG prices are a significant percentage of the EX/MT prices. The "10% cards" are very hard to find or non-existent. The implied statement of "Thank God we don't have to sell all of our cards on ebay." could also be translated to "I can find some sucker willing to pay my inflated prices, so I'll pass on your lowball offer... at least for now." The trick is to not be that sucker. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:50:58 EDT Subject: bios To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com What's the password for the bio section? Thanks ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:59:28 EDT Subject: Re: $4,000 for a 1951 Bowman Ralph Branca To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Sat, 29 Jun 2002 14:04:35 EDT, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com << check out eBay item 1838022605 (Ends Jun-26-0215:... $4,000 fora Ralph Branca AND CHECK OUT IN THE BID HISTORY WHO WAS THE FIRST TO BID ON THE COVETED CARD!!! >> Well, at least you weren't sniped on that one Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:03:13 EDT Subject: welcome Rob Gioia! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Celenox@aol.com From: amcook93@aol.com Rob Gioia is the newest member of OBC as of this morning. He's a member of the NYFD, a Brooklyn Dodgers NUT (you'll have to ask him for the special association he has with "DEM BUMS" (please read the preceeding in a Brooklyn accent)) and currently a die hard Mets fan. Rob has been swapping with a number of OBCers already and I urge everyone to give him a proper OBC welcome. His list is up on the directory now - he's collecting T206s (favoring ones with back damage - how obc is that?), 55 Bowman, 57,62,63,69 and 76 Topps, and anything related to the Brooklyn Dodgers, Willie Mays or Roberto Clemente. ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:04:50 EDT Subject: Website To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Anybody else getting this message when going to our website. I've been getting this for the last two days as I wanted to update my wantlist. 504 Gateway Timeout This Web page could not be opened. There may be too many people accessing this page or the page may be unavailable. Please try again later. TTYL, Kent... ================= Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:45:14 EDT Subject: Vegas Show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Went to a local show today and discovered Dave Trimble of "Firties ands Sixtes Cards" from Utah. I picked up some good cards, Sme high numbers from 64 and 62 as wel as a Koufax, Banks, Hodges and Stargell RC from 63. Dave is going to be at the National, booth 817 & 819. He will bring commons and lower grade cards to the National. Rest well, ================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 18:41:47 EDT Subject: Good Show!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Bumped into Tim Fytak (Linda's husband) today at my favortie dealer's table at a local show. The dealer, Paul, only deals in beat up cards and usually has thousands at reasonable prices. He also keeps his eye out for pre-war stuff I might like. Today he saw me walking up and brought out a little box full of off-condition Mantles. Literally hundreds for 10% or less in poor-vg condition. I only picked one though...today, I picked up a '53 Topps Mantle for $150 (fair condition, rounded corners, and a few creases but the color is good and everything is readable)..for an extra $25 he through in a T-206 common with a Sovereign 460 back, and two early '70 Phillie oddballs. So for $175 I made out damn well...Some people say finding a Mantle for 5% of book is impossible these days, I say HAH! Been awhile since I bought anything and I usually don't buy anything during the summer. Glad I went though. As I was leaving Tim was buying half a '58 set for .25/card. Pretty good day for OBCers at the show. ================= Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2002 00:39:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: WEEKEND IN NEW ENGLAND From: "rayluurs" Won't go into the process of how they got pass me (it might look unfavorable to me as an umpire:-). But once we did get together the cards did start flying toward me, my wife was not pleased as I promised that i would bring back same two boxes I came with. (I did keep my work and brought back same two boxes what she upset about ...it seems i forgot to tell her about the other three i acquired during the week. Wish to take this time to thank Bob for several 52 topps of my list and Ken for bringing my unmentionalble list down to two. I know Spike gave me something also but after the meeting and advice they gave me I have card up the ying yang and cant for the life of remeber what I received. I do know got a couple of cards out of my dup box and I took a couple of out of his box. I brought to the table a couple of friends of mine. One who is a vintage baseball player on my team and I hope will eventiually a OBC person. He collects cards like I do but since he didnt know I was going to invite him to this.......he bought some cards from Ken becasue he felt funny just taking cards .....I bought a 1961 MVP Mantle from Ken for the same reason (that and the fact he was more reasonable with his price than Most "dealers":-). Then Ken turns around and ask who is collecting 1961 and 62 and i said i was but didnt have a list for my 62 yet: he then takes my list and proceeds to eliminates 32 '61 players froim my want list. Rich Klein, a SABR memeber and good friend, also editor of Becketts joined us. Discussing his role in why all the Mantle cards cost more than a 1.00. I still told him we are blaming him for all our woes. Now this part of the story is where i got into trouble with my wife....we told Ken, Spike and Bob we were going to a card shop I had seen while walking on the Freedom Trail (take the trolley, if your old like me, as I still cant quite walk in a normal upright position). All three said that instead of that one go up block about 50 yards to a place called J. J. Teabury and get the deals. Since we were going to a book signing we took them up on it. At first the man behind the counter was content to let us look at what he had on shelves (I was disappointed because he had no older stuff but I ended up buying two complete set of ???? and ????. Then the more entergetic and enthusiatic owner came in the shop. Looking at what we had bought and Rich talking to him about his ebay sale. Asked us if we were interested in older stuff and if we had a wantlist. When I showed him my want list out came the 59 album which I proceeded to clean him out of all of what i needed that he had plus some 60 and 61's he had. now one would think I had done enough to strain the relationship with my wife when he bringds out a box of old assorted 50's card( he said they had pin holes in them i cant find them nor did i look that hard for them) he said they were two dollars a piece or if someone would buy the whole box from him a dollar. cary (my new OBC hopeful) bought a few he wanted for his list and then I cracked and bought the other 144 of them for me (thinking started sets). Alot were dups but now I have some thing to trade including 55 Bowman football cards. So I wish to take this time to thank the Big three for their help and for meeting them. My only regret from the meeting, as an idiot, i forgot to bring my camera down nor thought about it until bob and spike had left so i could take one. The rest of my trip was also quite memorable as i got my first visit to fenway and while it didnt do to me what wrigley did to me when I first saw it i was quite impressed with the park when i got to my bleacher (do to a SABR problem and me being too Minnesota nice i ended watching most of the game from under stands but walking around seeing the different angles of the green monster. .. it is hard to explain the feeling. I also collect, as a hobby, autographs on baseball. I went to convention with the hopes of getting four. I got Sibby Sisti (first 53Topps card i got when i started collecting my birth year set, Johnny Pesky, and a pretty good pitcher in his day, Luis Tiant. I was shut out on Dom Dimaggio after his talk on Ted Williams, he tired quickly and he was ushered out of room before i could get my turn:-( Thanks guys for a meorable weekend in New England ================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:48:47 EDT Subject: the cheap buyer BUYS! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was unable to attend the local hotel card show today because of a work committment but my husband Tim went instead- He said he saw Josh Levine there buying a 53 Mantle- The big news was Tim came home with a whole stack of vintage cards- and i just couldn't wait to ask him how much he paid for them as he is the cheapest buyer in the world- he had a lot of 58 topps and i knew they had to be some rediciously low price and sure enough they were- 25 cents each!!- and i found out the fool didn;t even buy all the cards offered! He actually looked at them one by one and said some weren't worth 25 cents!--Then later another dealer came up with a stack of 56 topps- Knowing my husband $1 each is a good price to just about anyone but not him- i knew if he bought that many they were less than $1 a card and 56 topps just don't sell for that cheap- but yes he said they were 50 cents each- if Tim buys stuff it has to be cheap- Yesterday he met a guy outside a card shop and came home with some 52 topps- and i didn't even have to ask how much he paid- i know he won't pay more than $1 each for 52's - and that is why he practically never buys any-And that is just what he paid -$1 each for some 52 topps-- But he broke down and told me he paid $5 for one of them from the guy outside the card shop- i had to see that one- yes it was a hi # -. # 368 Ed Wright--I have seen Tim at card shows and if he is paying a dealer for some cards soon after the table is swarmed by his card shop buddies because they say if Tim is buying cards from a dealer- they have to be really cheap- ================= Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:53:42 EDT Subject: Josh's 53 Mantle To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- my husband Tim saw that 53 Mantle at a previous show from the same dealer - the same one Josh bought today- Tim told me he offered the dealer $50 for it but he declined- Ouch- to be able to buy one for $150- but i HAD to work today- Rats!!!- Linda