================= Date: 1 May 2002 07:28:40 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: What is your opinion of the DH rule? CHOICES AND RESULTS - I want it in both AL & NL., 1 votes, 11.11% - Keep it like it is, AL only., 1 votes, 11.11% - Drop it entirely., 7 votes, 77.78% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - I want it in both AL & NL. - keithsummers@webtv.net - Keep it like it is, AL only. - boreed@hotmail.com - Drop it entirely. - tldietrick@yahoo.com - jimbo777777@yahoo.com - bobs7714@aol.com - talbot1@comcast.net - dfallen@attbi.com - dan@iamdanaustin.com - tply@aol.com For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:10:41 EDT Subject: Re: Gus sighting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDrJ@AOL.COM Here at the Gus Triandos Researcha and Relocation Center, our staff was called back to work late last night when word began to spread that Mr. Steve Rittenberg claims to have a very unique card, hitherto unknown in Gusdom. A Gus front.... and a Don Wert back for the two sides of said card, hardly seems appropriate to the greatness of Gus. Nowhere in our archives can such a card be found. Nevertheless, our researchers would like to hear more from Mr. Rittenberg, as we seek to establish the veracity of his wild claim. ....doc J John Ball..... curator of Gus stuff ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:29:23 -0400 (EDT) To: XDrJ@AOL.COM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Gus sighting From: Originaleek@webtv.net May I suggest to the good Dr. J that the card in question maybe a Siamese Twin. As we know these are rather rare but not unheard of. As a Tiger advocate I am concerned that any attempts at separation might result in "sacrificing" Don to preserve Gus. Say it ain't so, Doc! We keep what we give away! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '54 Johnston's Cookies Aaron Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:15:52 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Some more price guide help from those of you with the SCD big book, if you don't mind: What is a reasonable price for a '54 Johnston's Cookies Aaron rookie in NM condition? I would appreciate any help. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: dan dee Mantle on ebay Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 07:31:23 -0700 From: "jcollins12" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1824512743 This one may wind up being a good buy, but it is pretty rough. Bid currenly only thirty something dollars. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC and Doubleday Field Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:00:39 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I just found a Certificate of Appreciation given to OBC for our donation toDoubleday field (for the purchase of a brick?). I know how the certificate got into my hands but I don't know where it belongs. If someone can tell me, I'll send it out ASAP. ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:56:11 EDT Subject: concerning Mantle Dan Dee on ebay To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i checked out the Mantle Dan Dee on ebay which is a card i have always wanted to own- it is at $31 now but with over a day remaining until the auction closes i don't hold much hope of it staying at a reasonable price-i am sure it will go for many times it's actual worth in that condition. An example is there was just a Mantle Red Heart in poor condition on ebay- you wouldn't believe what this card with multiple pin holes and a discoloration went for- check this out- #1822630528-these Mantle cards is poor condition which are worth only about $25 to me in that condition can go for way over $100- might as well buy a VG one and get a better card- there are no bargains for lesser grade cards on ebay i have found- here is another example of a poor condition card selling for an outrageous sum- a 52 Mays- # 1824618968--this card is damaged with paper loss all down the right side of the card- i would personally not pay more than $25 for this card at a show or shop because that is what it is worth in that condition- but check out what it went for- another example of what i said- there are no deals on ebay for beaters of stars- damaged cards of any star shouldn't sell for more than $25 because that is what they are worth- but they go much higher on ebay from these examples i have seen- Linda ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:09:41 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] concerning Mantle Dan Dee on ebay To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com cards are worth what someone will pay for them. it's called supply and demand. just ask the oil companies. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] concerning Mantle Dan Dee on ebay Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 19:28:43 +0000 From: mattglidden@attbi.com > it went for- another example of what i said- there are no deals on ebay for > beaters of stars- damaged cards of any star shouldn't sell for more than $25 > because that is what they are worth- but they go much higher on ebay from > these examples i have seen- Linda Yes, I would guess that the much wider marketplace and (relatively) low transaction overhead push the eBay prices higher than they would otherwise be most of the time. My business teacher would call it "Convenience Value Added." You'll definitely get the better prices at a good show (I guess that's what makes them good, right?). Not a big advantage for beater collectors, that's for sure. ================= To: mattglidden@attbi.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] concerning Mantle Dan Dee on ebay Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:30:41 -0700 From: "jcollins12" It is almost a case of "too good to be true" turning into a self-fulfilling prophesy with some of these high dollar beater cards, with Mantles usually being the worst examples. Here is the scenario: Bidder #1 sees the beater card and the low opening bid and thinks "Wow! - a Dan Dee Mantle for $20, what a bargain." And ebayer #1 places a bid on the card. But because the card is a beater, and the low price attracted bidder #1 who wouldn't have even looked at the same card in a higher grade because he knew it would be out of his price range, it also attracts more than the average amount of bidders, who all bid just the same as the first guy, convinced that they will be able to get a high priced card for cheap. End result = a beater card that sells for far more than the beater price. And I would think, a winning bidder who realizes that he or she overpaid in the final analysis (though usually not during the frenzy of bidding for some reason - he is probably bidding just to beat out the other guy -- not because the card is still a bargain at the current price -- how many of you have had this happen to you as well?) Anyway, not to be confusing, but I agree with Linda. If I find that card in the bargain bin down at the local card shop, then it is a card that is priced appropriately. But if it goes on ebay, it can turn into a feeding frenzy. That is, unless your name is Bill Henderson, and you start beater Mantle cards out with minimum bids so high that the sharks stay away from the very start. My $0.02... >--- Original Message --- >From: mattglidden@attbi.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 5/1/02 2:28:43 PM >> it went for- another example of what i said- there are >no deals on ebay for >> beaters of stars- damaged cards of any star shouldn't >sell for more than $25 >> because that is what they are worth- but they go much >higher on ebay from >> these examples i have seen- Linda >Yes, I would guess that the much wider marketplace and >(relatively) low transaction overhead push the eBay >prices higher than they would otherwise be most of the >time. My business teacher would call it "Convenience >Value Added." You'll definitely get the better prices at >a good show (I guess that's what makes them good, >right?). Not a big advantage for beater collectors, >that's for sure. > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: WEBSITE IS UP! Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:54:14 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" www.oldbaseball.com is back in business! ================= To: Subject: news article Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:06:11 -0700 From: "yaz" Several of you have met me and in every case my son Wade has been there too. The local newspaper had an article about Wade, (about the 4th time he's made the papers, the publicity hog). Here is a link to the story if you are http://www.myinky.com/ecp/news_columnists/article/0,1626,ECP_747_1119720,00. Greg (yaz) ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Sassy Schoenrock's wantlist Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:11:48 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Sassy *has* a wantlist but there was no link to it on the directory page. That oversight has been fixed. Here's the URL in case you want to go there http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/sbrock42.htm ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:58:34 EDT Subject: Virus alert To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com I received an email from Mark Talbot yesterday entitled "a few questions" and an email from George Hay today entitled "editions". both contained a file called top.zip, which contained a virus. Beware! Rest Well, ================= Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:30:13 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC and Doubleday Field To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Steve - Why not scan it and post it on the OBC site for all of us to share? ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 08:04:50 EDT Subject: April OBCAC Meeting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Results of the April OBCAC Meeting: 1. A motion by Ken Morganti to eliminate the membership cap, seconded by Doug Smith was approved by a 6-0 vote with David Kolenda abstaining. 2. A motion by Steve Rittenberg to move Brad Chambers frominactive status back to active status, seconded by Bob DAngelo was approved by a 7-0 vote. Your OBCAC: Mike Hair Voting Members: Bob D'Angleo David Kolenda Howard Morgan Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Geno Wagner ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: centering preferences Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:44:46 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I have a quick question (for any of you that care to respond) more just to satisfy my own curiosity than anything else: Although I realize we are a pretty loose group in general when it comes to condition requirements, where do you rate centering when evaluating a card's condition? Do cards that are miscut or are extremely off-centered bother you? If so, at what "rate" does centering start to bother you? 70/30?, 80/20? Does it matter more if the centering is out of whack left to right, or top to bottom? Just another informal poll. Would like to hear anyone's thoughts. ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:00:44 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] centering preferences To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- as to centering- my favorite cards- 52 topps are known to be plagued with centering problems- a lot of the cards in my set are 100%- 0 - off center- yet i am happy to have them- my pafco is in that category- i guess i would rather have the card off center top to bottom than left to right if i had a preference- also i notice all of my 1963 Fleers are badly off center- i doubt i have a single one better than 75%-25%-- i always see them this way- What i am saying is that if i was picky about centering then there are some cards i just would never own and i would rather have an off center one than none at all- Next you want to get into print lines- i notice the 1960 topps set has the worst print lines on some of the cards than any other years cards== Linda ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: [OBC-Ramblings] centering preferences Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 19:00:04 +0000 From: mattglidden@attbi.com I'm not too picky about centering. My main problem is with cards cut off-kilter (landslide!), but I can tolerate even 100/0 centered cards pretty easily. Off- center cards don't seem to be quite the strike against condition that they used to be, though. In my experience, you could pretty much knock a card price in half if it was 80/20 or worse, but not so much anymore (see the previous thread about the eBay market prices, of course). ---------------------- Forwarded Message: --------------------- From: "jcollins12" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] centering preferences Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:44:46 -0700 I have a quick question (for any of you that care to respond) more just to satisfy my own curiosity than anything else: Although I realize we are a pretty loose group in general when it comes to condition requirements, where do you rate centering when evaluating a card's condition? Do cards that are miscut or are extremely off-centered bother you? If so, at what "rate" does centering start to bother you? 70/30?, 80/20? Does it matter more if the centering is out of whack left to right, or top to bottom? Just another informal poll. Would like to hear anyone's thoughts. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: LV02 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:03:24 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Woohoo! Count me in. I picked up my plane ticket today. I arrive in LasVegas Thu, May 16 at 9:38P on Delta and leave on Sun May 29 at 11:25P on Delta. I'm looking forward to Rick's wedding, the ribfest, baseball game, trip to the card shop and my first ever round of golf. Hmm. Maybe I ought to find a driving range next week. I will take some dupes to pass out to others who are attending. Is there a final list yet? I will also trade away beat up cards for not-so-beat up food, if you can't hit my wantlist. Thanks Mike for building this great tradition. Thanks OBC! ================= Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 16:36:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Virus alert To: topgolf@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well Mike,

    That could well be because I have not sent out any questions in some time.  I will check my end to see if I have a problem - I will have to check at work as well.  Thanks for the HEADS UP!!!  BE WELL!!!!

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topgolf@aol.com wrote:

 I received an email from Mark Talbot yesterday entitled "a few questions" and an email from George Hay today entitled "editions". both contained a file called top.zip, which contained a virus.  Beware!

Rest Well,
Mike
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================= Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 17:03:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dan dee Mantle on ebay To: jcollins12 , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Linda was right!!!

    20 minutes to go and it's at $80 something - let's see if the snipers get involved?

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jcollins12 wrote:

 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1824512743

This one may wind up being a good buy, but it is pretty rough.
Bid currenly only thirty something dollars.
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================= Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 21:55:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: dan dee Mantle on ebay From: "david_skoglund_mn" Final price was $83.03. According to the 1997 Beckett guide I have, the NRMT price for this card is $1800. This auction closed at a little less than 5% of that. I'm confused by the comments that imply this was overpriced. Isn't 5% of high book usually the benchmark for star cards in poor condition? With Mantle cards, that rule kind of goes out the window anyway. It seems to me closer to 10%. In that case it was a bargain. I can see someone forking over $180 for a Dan Dee Mantle in this condition. I wouldn't have paid that much for it ($83 or $180), but it seems to have sold within the "expected" range. ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:36:11 EDT Subject: VIRUS ALERT!!!!! To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com to all my address book: you may receive an email from me about a game i invented and a file called picacu.zip. i did not send this! i assume it is a virus that has entered my mailbox, although my virus scans have not picked it up. DO NOT OPEN THE FILE! just delete the mail and you should be fine. gm ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: dan dee Mantle on ebay Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 19:37:00 -0400 From: "John Collins" I will agree with Dave, at least about the 5 or 10% rule for beater cards not really applying to Mantle. I have sold Mantle cards on ebay before that brought well more than I expected for the condition they were in. But, as with everything else, I guess it is just timing. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: david_skoglund_mn To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 5:55 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: dan dee Mantle on ebay Final price was $83.03. According to the 1997 Beckett guide I have, the NRMT price for this card is $1800. This auction closed at a little less than 5% of that. I'm confused by the comments that imply this was overpriced. Isn't 5% of high book usually the benchmark for star cards in poor condition? With Mantle cards, that rule kind of goes out the window anyway. It seems to me closer to 10%. In that case it was a bargain. I can see someone forking over $180 for a Dan Dee Mantle in this condition. I wouldn't have paid that much for it ($83 or $180), but it seems to have sold within the "expected" range. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:04:41 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Virus? From: Originaleek@webtv.net I haven't paid a lot of attention to the Virus Alerts of late, because with WebTV I am immune. However, my question is, could I be a carrier? If I forward a message that has a virus, would that mean I am forwarding the virus as well? I'm sure we have some computer types in OBC Land who would know. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:27:14 EDT Subject: Speaking of Mantle To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey guys... A friend of mine has this item on Ebay, thought I would pass it on to the group. Pretty cool item for a serious Mantle fan... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1825459680&r=0&t=0& ================= Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 22:56:58 EDT Subject: VEGAS 02 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com With V02 drawing near, there are some last minute entrants into the race for the rookie shoes. This year's eVents promises to be a memorable one! Rest Well, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC New Member Candidates Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 7:46:07 +0000 From: We've got to approve this Richard Kimball guy. He's sure to have the world's best collection of Pete Gray cards. Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:40:29 EDT Subject: 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Can someone tell me the NM value of a 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set? ================= Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 08:50:42 -0500 To: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Orange or Green backs? The green backs are about twice or more the price of the orange backs. The complete orange and green back set is around $1500. brockhattox@cs.com wrote: > Can someone tell me the NM value of a 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set? > thanks, > Brock > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor [Click Here!] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:57:23 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have a year old copy of "Non-Sport Update", the last surviving price guide for non-sport cards. It shows that there are 160 cards in the set. There are Orange backed cards numbered 1-80 and Green backed cards numbered 1A-80A. They show a full set going for $660 in "Excellent" (well-centered, square corners, good color, NO creases. My experience is that prices for non-sport cards vary much more than for sport cards. Hope this helps. ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 8:40 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set Can someone tell me the NM value of a 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 18:38:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps - fill those missing spots in your binder! From: "david_skoglund_mn" Last night when Ray Luurs was showing Steve Carter and I his 1953 Topps set, we talked for a minute about those spots in the binder that will always be empty and the momentary shock they can cause. Ray made a passing comment about making up cards to go in those spots. Well, here they are. Sort of=85.. If you leave empty spaces in your 1953 Topps binder for the cards that weren't issue, here is a solution for you. I've created something you can print out and put in your binder to stop those momentary panic attacks when you see an empty space. There are actually two files. One is for the real 1953 set, the other for the smaller size reprint set. The files are located in the Photos section of the OBC Yahoo group, so you have to be signed in to Yahoo Groups to see them. The name of the album is "1953 Placeholders." Dave : david.skoglund@att.net ================= Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 17:18:35 -0400 To: topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VEGAS 02 From: tply@aol.com Mike - I hope it isn't to late to add two more to the barbecue and ball game! My Brother and his wife will be attending and would love to do both. Of course, my brother is a pretty good half rubber pitcher and that should make the game a little more interesting! ================= Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:33:22 -0400 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3 new sets added to "the Virtual Collection" From: Dan Austin For your viewing pleasure, I have added the following sets to the "virtual collection" page: 1948 Bowman 1949 Bowman 1953 Bowman Color Thanks again to Wayne for the images (from his BBCI CD)! http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/index.html Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 00:29:14 -0700 Subject: Venezuelan Cards & 68/69 Starter sets From: Peter Iversen I just thought I would make a couple of more comments on those 1962 Topps Venezuelan checklist cards that Steve R. sent me. First of all I noticed that both of the kids who owned these forgot to check off the card they were holding - that is several players are checked on each list but the checklist card is not... I wonder how many others I have are like that - I will have to check and see. Since the checking method is quite different (one is the 'blacked out box' method and the other has an "X" with some highlighting in certain spots) it looks like two different kids did the same thing... Also - I wonder how those poor kids in Venezuela felt when they bought pack after pack looking for any cards above 200 only to find they couldn't get any... You would think that Topps would blank out the cards over 200 on the Checklist #3 card. Of course then the one kid wouldn't have been able to check off the Elio Chicon or Juan Pizarro cards (#255 and 256) - they also did not change the names of cards 197 - 200 to the actual cards in the set... This must have made for some frustrated kids in Venezuela! Kind of like not knowing what "Series 1" meant on the box of cards in the store and buying pack after pack trying to get some different cards and only ending up with dupes and trips and quadrups of Carl Sawatski...! On another note - I have a bunch of 1968 and 1969 Topps dupes I would like to send to someone who would like to start the set. I can put together at least one starter set of each year. However, I warn you - these cards will not be for the faint of heart. Almost all of them are pretty well "loved" - let me know if any of you are interested and I will ship them out! This may be the time for you to start an "all OBC set!" GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:02:20 EDT Subject: Available 71s and 72s To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I haven't been able to find a home for these, maybe some of you new folks could use them.......Condition mostly VG+ or better 4 44 71(K leaders) 73 92 94 96 101 108 108 127 261 367 429 43 196 302 307 336 459 ================= Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 15:18:06 EDT Subject: 1980 Topps Availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com I pulled 32 cards to keep out of my 1980 Topps set, and am making the rest of the set available to traders. If you have a want list, please let me know. If you need a starter set, please tell me. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: TO ANYONE AT THE NATIONAL Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 21:30:24 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" I know this is really late and a long shot, but- If anyone runs across a Shakey's Pizza West Coast Greats card of Paul Waner, #2 in the set, that's the last I need to finish it off. It's a regional issue, so it might be hard to find. They are square-ish cards, black and white with the Shakey's Pizza logo in red on the back. I need it in NMNT too. Not much to ask, huh? Thanks and I'll pay you plus a finder's fee :-) . Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 23:46:29 EDT Subject: Plenty to Shake(y) about To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i am going to take my husband out to dinner tomorrow night (and any other OBCer in the area who would like to come) to Shakey's Pizza in Northridge to celebrate the end of a long quest in my ebay acquisition of a 1976 Shakey's Pizza Set-ebay # 1825091768-i was determined to make sure nobody snipped me on this one-- if you have ever seen my want list at my web site these were among my most wanted cards-- Pizza anyone? ---Linda ================= Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:02:52 EDT Subject: V02 News To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Well, good new and bad news... The good news is: We have tee times for May 18 The bad news: They are at 7:00 am. Therefore the SOMEWHAT ANNUAL EXCUSE BREAKFAST would have to be at 5:30am, but, what the heck, this is Vegas. We also have only 3 times and we need to accommodate two other players (Carl from last year and Jon McBride. They are the members at the course we are playing at and will serve as team captains. They also get us a reduced greens fee). That leaves us with 10 other spots. Perhaps the early hour will lead some to pass on golf. It will also be a shotgun start so play will have to move along pretty good. With the early golf (should be over by 11:00) we have time to have our ANNUAL LUNCH (NOT) AT HOLY COW. There has been discussion of a few options, please let me know your preference: 1) Lunch at Hooters. Since we will miss the SHOULD HAVE BEEN ANNUAL MUCH SOONER CLOSING CEREMONIES AT HOOTERS this year due to Rick's wedding, we could move the lunch to Hooters. I have heard some discussion that it may not be appropriate for the wives. This could be followed by a Saturday afternoon version of the TRADITIONAL SUNDAY MORNING VISIT TO THE CARD SHOP, and then the TRADITIONAL "HEY BLUE" BASEBALL GAME AND PRETTY ANNUAL FIREWORKS SHOW. 2) Lunch at the ESPN Zone at New York New York. As a resident of Vegas, I never go on the strip, so I don't know that much about the ESPN Zone, only that it exists at NYNY, and that it is a bit pricey. This could be followed by a Saturday afternoon version of the TRADITIONAL SUNDAY MORNING VISIT TO THE CARD SHOP, and then the TRADITIONAL "HEY BLUE" BASEBALL GAME AND PRETTY ANNUAL FIREWORKS SHOW. 3) Lunch at Ozzies. I believe that there is a restaurant/bar named Ozzies in the parking lot by the card shop. I have never been in it, and could go on a scouting mission to check it out. This could be followed by a Saturday afternoon version of the TRADITIONAL SUNDAY MORNING VISIT TO THE CARD SHOP, and then the TRADITIONAL "HEY BLUE" BASEBALL GAME AND PRETTY ANNUAL FIREWORKS Of course our TRADITIONALLY ANNUAL OBC'S WHO WANTS TO BE (PART OF) A MILLIONAIRE trip to the Mega Bucks machine would have to scheduled in at some So, let me know what you think, Rest Well, ================= Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 15:10:24 EDT Subject: What i call a real Oddball item To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi this is Linda- some traders in the group collect oddball cards like i do- here is what i call a real unusual oddball item on ebay right now- does any trader have these cards? i sure have never seen them before- ebay # 1825620251- Warhol does Rose! Linda ================= Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 20:58:29 EDT Subject: Possible new member To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I had a great conversation this evening with a NYC fireman - Celenox@aol.com. He wants to apply for admission to the group but is a little confused about what to do. Can anyone help? He seems a bit confused about the procedures at the web site and I haven't really been involved with that end in quite some ================= Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:00:28 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 News To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com In a message dated 5/5/2002 12:07:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, topgolf@aol.com writes: > 3) Lunch at Ozzies. I believe that there is a restaurant/bar named Ozzies > in the parking lot by the card shop. I have never been in it, and could go > on a scouting mission to check it out. This could be followed by a Saturday > afternoon version of the TRADITIONAL SUNDAY MORNING VISIT TO THE CARD SHOP, > and then the TRADITIONAL "HEY BLUE" BASEBALL GAME AND PRETTY ANNUAL > FIREWORKS SHOW. After checking with "Headquarters, The Boss, My soon to be wife, and by boss for the last 15 years" we have decided to vote for number three Lunch at Ozzies as described above. Margaret also had no problem with number one Hooters if the group agrees. As for the golf, I have no problem with the early tee time and look forward to it however, if needed I can skip golf to insure everyone that wants to play is allowed to. I realize my low score is hard to beat and perhaps I am needed there to insure the "curve" is realistic! Pat will be mailing a package this week to Vegas in preparation for the upcoming event(s)! Margaret and Rick ================= Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 21:14:31 EDT Subject: Card Backs To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com This one is great: "Once Tony Proves he can handle major league pitching, he'll have a steady job with the Indians. [must have been written in the off-season] ... Toney was optioned by Indians to Portland in April" "Dan is an outstanding utility infielder ... Maxvill was optioned to Jacksonville in May, 1964" Have the following 64 Topps, including Martinez, free for the asking : 169, 318, 345, 402, 404 ================= Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:17:52 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 366 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Since I won't be golfing, the game should move along well!! Also no one will have to worry about standing to my right... Joel ================= Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 19:22:23 EDT Subject: W515 question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, prewartraders@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all, While going through some cards in my collection, I noticed two strip cards that I thought were the same, but are a little different... http://members.aol.com/jrhatchjr/W515s.html Does anyone have related information on this issue? ================= Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:50:17 EDT Subject: Re: [prewartraders] W515 question To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: amcook93@aol.com W515s come in two sizes. The smaller ones have blank borders, while the larger ones are often found with some logo about bread or something (too tired to retrieve my album and check for sure). The checklists are the same. I have lots of cards where I have both versions and in almost every case there are cropping and/or color differences (e.g., plain buttons on one and red buttons on the other) between the two. ================= Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:45:09 EDT Subject: You should enjoy this site! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - I think some of you find the following site amusing and perhaps we can use some of them at the ball game in Vegas: Umpire Heckles ================= Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:15:01 EDT Subject: Re: V02 News To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 5/6/02 3:25:51 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << With the early golf (should be over by 11:00) we have time to have our LUNCH (NOT) AT HOLY COW. There has been discussion of a few options, please let me know your preference: I'll vote for #1 Hooters. I think the card shop is close by, isn't it. I don't have a problem with the early tee time, as I will probably be up all night gambling anyway. Is the restaraunt near the course open that early? Rick doesn't need to bow out of the golf game. Steve Rittenberg will be playing for the first time ever and of course I will be playing for what appears to be the first time. As long as each of us is on a separate team, things should be ok :-) The shotgun start is also a good idea, although I may need a shotgun to put myself out of misery by the 9th hole. Only ten more Ken M ================= To: Subject: T205 back question Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:53:49 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" Hi T205 Experts: just how scarce is the Broad Leaf back anyway? Is it comparable to T206, more, less, what? Any help appreciated-- ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:48:34 -0700 Subject: Potential OBC members From: Peter Iversen Hey everyone - there are two guys who are interested in joining and they may be contacting you about a trade. If you want to get a jump on them you can e-mail them yourself and see what you can do - usually 'new blood' has some different cards to offer - so if you are at a place where you have some time to work out a trade or two - why not give them a Robert Gioia - Celenox@aol.com (Robert is a NYC Fireman) Bob Fisk - bobtree@one.net Also - I have received only POSITIVE feedback on Richard "the fugitive" Kimball and Joe Isaacs. I am passing them on to the OBCAC for a vote. Thanks to all of you who responded and looked at their applications! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:21:40 EDT Subject: T205 Question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hey gang, I picked up a couple low grade T205 dupes at the Ft. Washington show last weekend and was looking to see if any were upgrades. None of them were, however I noticed my Ed Reulbach card has both a red and orange background. (The dupe I got has a Hassan back and red background. The one in my set has Piedmont/orange respectively.) Anyone else have either of these backgrounds or should I have one graded and sell it for a billion dollars on eBay? Ken M - owner of a super rare T205 :-) ================= Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:21:12 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T205 Question To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com My Reulbach card (glove showing) has a yellow background and a Piedmont 150 back. In my reprint set Ruelbach (glove showing) has a orange/yellow background and (glove not showing) has an orange background. As if there we're enough varieties with the backs. I think a starting eBay bid for the red background would be about $10,000 and see where it goes from there. - ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fort Washington report Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:57:35 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Last weekend marked the Nth time I went to the quarterly 3-day show in FortWashington PA, where N represents a number representing insanity. I lefta bit late and showed up about 4:30pm. The doors open for members at 5pm. Luckily for me, Brett Domue was already in line so I joined him. A bit unluckily for the two of us, Tim Newcomb's friend Mike was FIRST in line.My obsessive nature kicked in and I thought about ways that Brett and I could subdue Mike before he got to Mike Wheat's table. But no such luck so Mike got there first. Usually there is one row of "half-price good stuff" and a monster box of "dollar stuff". That makes it easy to focus my efforts on "the good stuff". This time it was all "half price" so it was abit confusing. I picked up a pile and started looking for cheap pre-war beaters. Pretty soon I lost track of what I had looked at and what I had not as I kept seeing what Brett and Mike found. In the end, I don't know who found what but I bought some T202 end panels of Tris Speaker, MordechaiBrown, Joe Tinker plus some stuff for team collectors. Also got some caramels that I'll ask Andy Cook to identify. And there were some totally Tipton T206s in there for just $2 (!!). I ended up with a Wee Willie Keeler plus commons. I think Brett found some similar stuff. After looking through the bargain boxes, Brett said he'd come back and look at the other stuff that Mike Wheat had later. Turns out that there was quite a bit Brett missed though it wasn't stuff he'd ordinarily look at anyway. I asked to see all the low grade T205s, T206s and T207s. There was a recent buy by Mike Wheat so there was actually quite a bit. The Red Sox will be kept. Others will be given away or sold as dealer-scum. "Others" include a T206 M. Brown and another Tinker. And I actually bought my first Ty Cobb card. They had a red portrait Cobb for just $100 with an El Principe de Gallos back. Jeff Sackmann told me its not super rare but commands about a 100% premium. I showed it around everywhere I went after Mike Wheat's table and wondered what I'd do with it. I have zero interest and financial means to work on a T206 set so I was in the enviable position to annoint a new owner. I feared showing the card to Brett when we next met. Maybe he'dkill me for my "great find". He paid for the card over dinner, meaning Ilived to see another day. After Mike Wheat's table, I went over to Roger Neufeldt. Since Brock et. al cleaned out Roger of anything reasonable, I spent a whopping $1 at his table. Next I think was Steve Verkman's table. There was some totally useless kid watching the table. When I asked to see a pile, he had to asksomeone else if that was ok. I nearly lost it. Somewhat surprisingly,Steve had some good deals. I found a few T218 boxers and bowlers at fairprices. Also got a 1960 Topps Maris gray back for less than I expected to pay. Woohoo! I added in a 1962 green tint Tim McCarver and some 1934 CANADIAN Goudey Red Sox. I didn't talk to Bama before hand so I hope he doesn't need these. Across from Steve's table was a dealer with some great UV dime boxes. I made lots of hits for much less than I had beenpaying previously. Gotta learn patience.... Wayne Delia bumped into me but had no UV lists so I told him (facetiously) to go to Verkman. Not sure what he actually did. Then Ken Morganti bumped into me. He liked the dime box and even found a 2002 Topps Heritage Short Print for just a dime. Oops. No mention of UV allowed.... After I finished up there, we went over to Walt Edwards table. He often has some pretty good stufffor OBC but doesn't have the visibility or reputation of Roger Neufeldt. Ken got a 49L Ted there. I bought a bunch of Horrors of War high numbersat good prices. About my last table of the night was Bill Henderson's table. I share NONE of the animosity that some others do for him. I pulled out about $250 of cards from his half price box and gave him $80 for them. Can't remember at the moment what I got. Friday night dinner was Chinese with Brett and Ken. My new diet strategy is to spill half the food on my shirt as I shovel it in my mouth. Even so, I think I overate. After dinner, I followed Ken to Joe Greco's house. Joe had been in OBC for awhile. Don't know why he left.... Anyway, I paid my rent to Joe with a T206 Keeler. Then we settled in to some worthless TV until about 1am. I heard Ken come downstairs around 6:30 Saturday morning so I joined him atthe breakfast table. While Ken wrote out his wantlist in longhand, I pretended to be awake. We went back to the show and arrived about 9:30. I headed over to a great non-sport dealer who always has some good dollar stuff. There wasn't quite as much as there had been but I still found a few more fish and birds plus some stuff I've never seen before (which will end up with Jim Wiehe). As I went through the albums of higher priced cards, I pulled the last T118 Explorer I needed. Woohoo! I paid $3 for the last card, which must have been the most I paid for any one card in that set.Since I had spent my budget within five minutes of entering the previous day, I decided to focus on cheaper cards and UV the rest of the time. Istill found some 77-78 basketball grey stock cards for Ken, and two of thefive hockey cards Ken needed. As I headed over to the cafeteria area fora break, I heard from Kevin Savage about a Jeff Sackmann sighting. Ken and I eventually hooked up with Jeff, who was there to consumate some dealerworth a year's salary for most of us. He offered me some Red Sox dupes if I came out to his buddy's car. Uh sure -- I'd walk a mile for a T206. ;-) And WHAT a T206. Jeff returned the Tris Speaker to me that I had traded him two years ago in exchange for a Ryan RC. I did remind Jeff ofthis but he sitll insisted on handing me the Speaker plus a couple of other Red Sox. About the only other noteworthy event was when I was at a non-sport dealer and heard some slimy guy offer to buy out his stock. I wouldn't have donethe deal but he did for $2000 in cash. Later I told him that I hoped themoney wasn't fake but he wasn't too worried about it. I ended up with about 300 non-sport cards from him -- all his low grade stuff, at about 25 cents each. Ordinarily, I'd pay $1 a piece if I was working on sets so it was a good deal for me though it means I will start MORE sets (if that is actually And that's about it...... I hope to do a bit more "designated shopping" in the future though I didn't offer that to anyone this time. Who cares if it is your set or my set that is finished, as long as it gets finished. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 23:00:12 -0700 Subject: 68 & 69 Starter Sets... From: Peter Iversen I have had no bites on the 68 and 69 starter sets I offered up... There are a few possibilities. No one wants to start these sets. No one wants to start these sets in G/VG to tiptonish condition. No one who wants to start these sets thinks they should ask for cards since they have no cards for me. No one who has just started the sets thinks that they should get a starter set since they have already started the sets and so how could it be a starter. No one who really wants to start these sets read the beginning of my e-mail before I offered the starter sets and this is the first time they have heard that there are starter sets available to start these sets. No one is reading this e-mail any I assure you that there are no strings attached to this offer - I would like to get rid of some cards - I don't want any back. If you are shy - please don't be. If you have a set started and still need a bunch of cards this may be just the deal for you! Send me your list and I will send cards (or let me know and I will go to the OBC site and look at your list myself...). If you just feel like getting a few cards - because it has been awhile - let me know and I will look and pull and send. If you have had countless other OBCers say "You really have to start another set - your list is getting too hard to hit..." then this is definitely the deal for you. For the good of OBC and for your continued peace of mind - please e-mail me back and ask - and ye shall receive... GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 07:48:22 EDT Subject: The List. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com With V 02 a little more than a week away, here is the official (as it gets) SCHEDULED TO APPEAR: Cummings Al Ellison Rick Hair Mike Hay George Iversen Peter Knowles Todd Kolenda Dave Levine Joshua Morganti Ken Rittenberg Steve Smith Doug Stallman Rex Unk Phil Wiehe Jim MAKING A CAMEO APPEARANCE: Wagner Geno (will be here onFri, leaving on Sat) Wubben Mac (not for sure, his people will get in touch with my people) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Heads up on some ebay items Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:10:20 +0000 From: Check out the the items currently being auctioned by a seller called LOCKERROOM. I've dealt with this guy before, and have had no difficulties whatsoever. He currently has a load of single cards from 1960 to 1966, including hi#s and short prints, all finishing within the next day or two, all starting at $1, and many still with no bids. Have at 'em , my friends, but PLEASE don't bid against SALTIRE (that's me, by the way!). Cheers for now! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Thanks] Wedding well wishes! Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:09:37 -0400 From: "James Moleta" John - when I got to the end of this, I realized that I was in a rambling mood! That said, here goes... If memory serves, you and I are fairly close in age (I'm 29). I found "The Book" on a clearance table in B.Dalton when I was about 11 or 12, and read that sucker till it literally fell apart. I was in my initial card collecting heyday, absorbing any and all card info I could get my hands on. Because my only alternative was packs of 80's cards, I liked "old cards" for the nostalgia and history, and first set out to get a card from every year of Topps. Soon after, I shot for a star player from every Topps issue, which on a 12 yr old's budget was kinda tough. However, once I discovered "The Book, my eyes were opened to a new realm of stars, characters, and forgotten-but-loveable utility infielders. I was tasked with a quest. If I couldnt afford a 1955 Ted Williams or Koufax (both of which are, ironically, in "The Book"), I was at least gonna get a 55 Wilmer Shantz or Ted Lepcio. I knew I would be able to afford most of the cards initially, and then save up for the day I came across a reasonably affordable 56 Jackie R or a 63 Clemente. I managed to knock out about 25 cards before I went off to college and put my collection on hold, and probably KO'd about 1/4 of "the Book" after college before I discovered OBC. Finally, I found a bunch of people who appreciated the guys in "The Book" the way I did (except that most of OBC actually SAW these guys play!), and the quest really picked up steam. Now I'm a scant 4 cards away, but will I plunk down $100 for a 52 hi# Crosetti? No! (well, i hope not...) I'm still trying to do it the way I would have 18 years ago - looking for deals and trades, finding the card for a good price or thru a friend and making it memorable. Oh well, I'll get there eventually, and when I do, I'll have to find some cool way to display my accomplishment. But for now, I'll keep searching for the deal. By the way, if anyone read this far, I just realized I made a mistake earlier! I recently picked up the 63 Clemente (& got a good deal on it too!) but I still need a 63 Topps Mets team card! Doh! >From: "jcollins12" >To: james_moleta@hotmail.com >Subject: RE: [OBC-Thanks] Wedding well wishes! >Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:31:55 -0700 >"The Book" idea is neat for a type set. I thought of starting >the same collection a couple of months ago myself, but haven't >acted on it yet. Neat to see somebody else had the same idea! >(18 years ago...) I only found out about the existance of "The >Book" last year though, so that should give me plenty of time >to catch up. >Take care, > >--- Original Message --- > >From: "James Moleta" > >To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, familytoad@harborside.com > >Date: 5/8/02 11:17:23 AM > > > >I received thanks and congrats from many OBCers on my wedding >(Apr 20), and > >even received a few wedding cards! All were appreciated whole-heartedly. > >more wedding card arrived from BRIAN LINDHOLME yesterday, and >it was one of > >the best cards I received. However, it wasn't just the message >in this case, > >but also what the messenger slipped in...a T206 Bradley portrait, > >happens to be a hit to my "The Book" list!!! Thanks Brian!! > >For those scoring (or puzzled) at home, I now lack only 4 cards >from having > >every card pictured inside "The Great American Baseball Card > >Trading & Bubble Gum Book!" Granted, 2 of the 4 cards remaining >are scarce > >series stars...***WARNING! Shameless Plug!!*** (63 Clemente >& 52T Crosetti; > >63 Tresh & 52T Nicholson are the others)... that I may not net >for awhile, I > >am always excited to inch closer on this quest, as I have been >on it nearly > >18 years! > > > >OBC - You gotta love it! > > > >James > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 00:23:50 -0700 Subject: 1968 & 1969 Starter Sets... From: Peter Iversen Well - I think I got everybody's attention - I have received 11 requests for cards and I think I will manage to get some to all but two... I am now officially 'out' of 1968 and 1969 Topps cards - and it feels so By the way - had a great time with Bob Donaldson, Erik Greenwood, Linda & Tim Fitak tonight at Fuddruckers in Burbank tonight. We closed the place! It was wonderful to spend the time with other OBCers and to meet Bob for the first time!! Hopefully we can meet up again and go to a Dodger game and have more time to talk..! Thanks for coming and THANKS for the cards..! (more on that on the other server...) GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 19:17:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Toronto Show recap From: "mikesportsfan" I was able to go to the Toronto show (I was uncertain all the way until I crossed the border, if I could make it). The show began Friday at 1:00 until 10:00. I was able to get there around 7:00 and purchased a weekend pass and shopped for a few hours. Founda few things Friday, but was looking forward to Saturday. Called Carlos Alcazar, our local OBCer and found out he was tied up with an essay and could not do anything over the weekend. Very disappointing. Next show Carlos. Called Ron Perry at the Holiday Inn (I get to stay at my sister's house who lives 20 minutes from the Convention Center). Arranged to meet Ron & Marlene for breakfast. I gave Ron bad directions and he never found the restaurant for breakfast. When it was obvious we had missed each other (neither of us has cell phones), I ate and went to the show getting ther about 15 minutes after it opened. The line was wrapped throughout the parking lot. Must have been over 1000 people in line. I almost got punched out for laughing at the giuys waiting in line as I strolled in with my weekend pass. About an hour and half later Marlene (Ron's wife) points to a table and Ron recognizes me. Marlene and I have never met, so this was quite a feat, considering how big this show is and how many people were there. Marlene went to the snack area to read a book and Ron and I went cruising for cards. At the table they saw me at, I had purchaed a bunch of 1961 Post BB, including some SPs on Friday. I was about to check for others that I missed, but instead let Ron have the honors and he picked up some 1961 & 1963 Post BB for his sets. I got some 1963 Jell-o's. We went by another table that had business cards on them. I mentioned that I had E-mailed them before the show. They asked if I was from Detroit and when hearing yes, brought out a 3200 card monster box of OPC hockey. I was only interested in 1 row, and not even the whole row at that, and inqured as the price of the row; $40. Ron asked how much for the whole box and decided he was now collecting OPC hockey. We bought the box together. We then went to the snack bar for lunch and Ron proceeded to hit me with some Tipton Parkhurst hockey that he had picked up on Friday. After lunch we cruised some more and beat up a few more dealers. We passed on some items that we felt were too high. It was great working with a partner, to check numbers, discuss value, back you up as you haggled with a dealer over pricing, etc. Ron & Marlene left straight from the show Saturday to go back to Michigan and I went to my sisters and sorted cards all night. Back to the show on Sunday. Made a couple sizable purchases; a starter set of 1968 Shirriff hockey coins, including some of the SPs. The last purchase I made was soem OPC BB & Parkhurst hockey. The OPC BB, were mainly star cards, especially 1965s. I am now down to 3 cards in the set, after getting the Aaron, Clemente, Maris, B. Williams, I was able to complete 4 sets (plus purchased a complete set of 1970 Esso Hockey stamps in the album) over the weekend. 1973-74 OPC Hockey, but now I am working on getting it, white back/gray back. At the table that on 7 I bought the monster box, we looked through a bunch of other stuff, and I just happened to see 1 1984 Ralston Purina card. The Ryan, the only 1 I needed and the only 1 they had. $1.00 Canadian. I also finished my 1977 OPC BB set, although when I got home I realized I need to upgrade 2 cards; #39 Fosse 124 checklist (unchecked). The last set was a 1960-61 Shirriff Hockey coins. I had been looking for the #107 Boivin coin for a few years. Finally found it. So 2 BB & 2 Hockey sets completed. 1 OPC of each and 1 oddball of each sport. 1 from teh 60s, 2 from the 70s and 1 from the 80s. I received anywhere from 50 - 60% on the exchange of US to Canadian money. Going rate was 54%. I hope other OBCers will consider joining us for this show in the future, especially if you collect I did not get any pre-war cards at all this trip. Got very little Post Canadian, so those that sent me lists are going to be disappointed, that I found nothing for them. Mike Rich ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Ebay success! Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 20:33:26 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Did any of you manage to check out Lockerroom's auctions on Ebay yesterday (the one that I mentioned in an email)? I had some terrific success with them overnight. Using my patented "scattergun" bidding technique (Make lots of low bids, sit back and wait and see what turns up), I was successful in 9 out of the 20 bids that finished during the evening. Included among the 9 were a 1965 Murakami RC for $1, a '65 Orioles Team SP for $3.26, a '65 Nellie Fox semihi ($1), a 1964 Dick Egan hi# for $2 (the last '64 Tiger I need), a '66 Mays/McCovey/Williams LL ($1.80), and 4 other 1965 hi# including 3 SPs for a buck each. Wow! The cards range from VG/Ex to Ex+ - total cost?....about 6% of hi book. I'll take that every time! I'm still holding hi bid (all at $1) on another 9 cards that finish tonight including a '62 Santo, 6 1962 LL cards, and 2 1960 hi#s. Wish me luck! C'mon guys! Still time to get your nose in the trough! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Subject: The Rookie redux Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:06:23 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" Hi guys-- after 5+ weeks I finally got around to seeing "The Rookie" today, and was glad I did! Really fun film, and something of a love affair to both baseball and family, which is a great combo-- And I noticed in the opening credits that the screenplay was written by our own Mike Rich! Maybe everyone else knew this already, but I didn't. Maybe Mike would like to tell us how he got involved in the project!! :) Cheers, Tim ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 07:48:19 EDT Subject: VO2...1 week away To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com With Vegas 02 a mere week away (time to put on the crispy ribs for Peter), a few observations: New Records: A record rookie turnout...5 newbies this year, will there be enough shoes to go around? A record number of golfers (11)...could there be a new champion this year? A record number at the rib fest (32)... Rick breaks his own entourage record with 6 this year. The first ever wedding bells...ringing for Rex Stallman and Rick Ellison. (No, not to each other) With the closing of Holy Cow, a new Saturday lunch tradition will be started. The traditional closing ceremonies at Hooters will be put on hold this year. The traditional baseball game will have the semi traditional fireworks after the game. The city of Vegas will stay open for the entire time. Will Saint Al (our spiritual leader) fall asleep? Will Saint Al (our spittle leader) find his way to Vegas ? (most likely he is already on the road) Will Peter's long ball record in half rubber be broken? Are there any participants left without an asterisk? Who will eat the most ribs? How many hours of sleep will Ken Morganti get? (the over/under is 2) (bet the Who will have the most birdies in the golf tournament. Where's Phil? Candy little girl? Rest Well, ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:34:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Random thoughts on the hobby From: "mikesportsfan" Does anyone else get bothered when looking through a stack of cards, and you can tell they WERE in order, but now are out of order. Some dealers take the time to put the cards in order, only to have inconsiderate people mess them up. I do not understand how if you have a checklist and collect that you can mess up card that were in Have seen a few BB movies on cable recently. Searching for Buck McHenry and Bleacher Bums. I thought both were interesting. Searching for Buck McHenry has a cameo by Ernie Banks. Sentimental movie, highlighting the struggle that Negro League players went through. Bleacher Bums is obviously a spoof of Wrigley Field fans. I thought they went overboard on the betting angle of the movie, but was funny anyway. It is funny that as I complete more sets, my wl seems to get LONGER. It seems for every set I finish, I add 2 more to the list. I do not wish to challenge Dan and Mark Talbot for the longest list title, but may end up doing so. Since I love the oddball stuff, there is no end to the sets I can add. I have added a number of sets recently, so feel free to check it out. Due to all of the shortprints in Post BB, I wonder how many people due mixed sets of Post, Jell-o and/or Canadian Post to make up their sets. Personally I almost never see 1962 Jell-o cards. I recently have noticed that in 1962 Salada BB coins, there is a difference in the avilabililty of backs that say 180 or 200. Supposedly there is no difference in value, but I think the 180 are harder to find. Anyone know something about this? I still need a ton of the coins (with either back) and would love to get some hits to that set. Why do so few of us collect publications? Many of us seem to be stats freaks and immersed in sports. Aside from Glenn collecting BB Digest and me collecting annual guides, I cannot think of anyone else collecting publications. Old Sporting News (TSN), Sports Illustrated (SI), BB Digest, etc., make for great reading. Yearbooks and team programs can also make for interesting reading. How many of us keep ouor cards in binders vs. boxes. The vast majority of mine are in monster boxes. Even then it takes up too much room. If I switched to binders, not only would it be expensive (albums and plastic), but it would take up much more room. What are among the more obscure items we collect. I am not talking about expensive necessarily, just obscure. Linda and some of the issues she chases are great examples. I collect Coke BB, FB & hockey caps, which can be collected for Sprite, Tab, Fresca, etc. Although I love getting some of the caps with other brands on them, I can just imagine how impossible it would be to build a set of Fresca caps. When sending out a package I ALWAYS make sure to put my name and return address, I think this is very important, especially after 9/11. Sending pacakges without return addresses increases the lielihood of the PO not delivering it. Also, getting packages with no note or name at all on the inside is tough. If the envelope gets tosses or cannot be read, how do you give proper credit and try to reciprocate too. Along the same lines, I was the recipient of a waiver wire claim a few weeks ago. The sender said I was the only 1 who gave my address when putting in a claim. Although, we have the addresses from the directory, those can change or creates work for the sender. By including your address with a waiver claim, I think you increase your chances of receiving a "prize", makes sure the claim is sent to the correct place and makes things easier on the This is enough of a ramble. Mike Rich, 26020 Radclift Pl, Oak Park, MI 48237 ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 20:41:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Graded, and screwdown card holders From: "mikesportsfan" I forgot to mention a couple of things that I noticed in Toronto. ! dealer had a box with about 80 cards in screwdown holders. He wanted $225 Canadian ($140-$150 US) for the box. Less than $2 US for a vintage card (mainly late 50s early 60s) in a screwdown holder that probably sells for $2 each. Why do people insist on spending that kind of money protecting inexpensive cards? Similarly, most card grading services charge $8- $10 per card (correct me if I am wrong, because I have never paid to have a card graded). A card has to have some substantial value to pay to cover the cost of grading. If the card does not book for at least $50, why bother? Even then, it should be in top condition to warrant having it graded. In Toronto, I noticed 2 cards that were graded and would be of interest to OBC. A Mantle and a Maris APBA cards were graded PSA 6 or 7. I saw the APBA cards and went to take a look, only to see they were graded. I did not ask, but I wonder how much he wanted for them. Graded APBA cards, what is next? Maybe, they will start grading my FB Coke caps. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 17:07:56 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded, and screwdown card holders To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com In a message dated 5/10/02 4:46:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: > I forgot to mention a couple of things that I noticed in Toronto. ! > dealer had a box with about 80 cards in screwdown holders. He wanted > $225 Canadian ($140-$150 US) for the box. Less than $2 US for a > vintage card (mainly late 50s early 60s) in a screwdown holder that > probably sells for $2 each. Why do people insist on spending that kind of > money protecting inexpensive cards? I have found that values (such as beauty) are in the I of the be-holder. That's my punishingly clever contribution for today. ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:56:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Random thoughts on the hobby From: "rayluurs" How pathetic can I be I don't collect TSN but I dont throw them away till I read them.....I am currently finishing up 1982 It seem my life and new intrests (um collecting BB cards and suring the net ( for BB cards) and Yahoo (wantlist ramblings thank yous) ususally for BB cards has gotten me behind in reading ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 19:57:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts on the hobby To: mikesportsfan From: Mark S Talbot Hello All,

RANDOM REPLIES

>It seems for every set I finish, I add 2 more to the >list.  I do not wish to challenge Dan and Mark Talbot >for the longest list title, but may end up doing so.

    Well Mike - Keep on trying as I too have added MORE STUFF!!!!

>How many of us keep your cards in binders vs. boxes.

    Some in binders and most in boxes.  I have been slowly moving my main collection into binders so that I can enjoy them more often.  I just had a friend over recently who admired my `70's Basketball collection (all in binders) and it was quite easy for him to look through the albums.  But, 80% of my holdings are flung across the place in box after box.

>Why do so few of us collect publications?

    My cards would fill a museum - DO I REALLY WANT TO START A COLLECT FOR THE LOCAL LIBRARY AS WELL - I think not.  I have some publications however Mike - Yearbooks, Score cards, some BB Digest, and of course anything I can get my hands on that has Stormin' Norman in

>When sending out a package I ALWAYS make sure to put my >name and return address

    I too always include my return address in my "closing moniker" - I think it is polite as well!!!

>I can just imagine how impossible it would be to build a >set of Fresca caps

    I am sure that if anyone is up for the challenge it's Mike - I have not been to the infamous "dungeon" yet but I assure you folks Mike truly is a connoisseur of interesting "oddball" issues and his cap collection (which I believe he has upstairs in one of the two room devoted to cards) is second to none in my opinion!!!

>I wonder how many people due mixed sets of Post, Jell-o >and/or Canadian Post to make up their sets.

    Now if I did that it would immediately shrink my want list by not 1 but many sets at once - that won't happen - they don't call me the "glutton of cardboard" for no reason at all  ;-)

>I recently have noticed that in 1962 Salada BB coins, >there is a difference in the availability of backs that >say 180 or 200. Supposedly there is no difference in >value, but I think the 180 are harder to find.

    I have an interest in this set as well and would enjoy some insight on this question.  Perhaps some of our "resident experts" can shed some light on this!!!

    Some great thoughts Mike - glad to enter the discussion - BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net        ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:17:35 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: RKA1080@aol.com, autograph1@earthlink.net, TWE3@aol.com, Glk@aol.com, From: tply@aol.com From: PADTEN21@aol.com Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:29:14 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: TPLY@aol.com From: KVGould@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:19:33 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: dgosine@bankofny.com, Casinosm1@aol.com, PADTEN21@aol.com From: Nangould@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 19:28:39 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: Marko531@aol.com, DC11226@aol.com, Linblee64@aol.com, SueZQ21@aol.com, From: Dibas123@aol.com Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 06:29:10 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: Nangould@aol.com From: Goldecho00@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:27:37 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: KATHA@REPLICARZ.COM, kathapehm@hotmail.com, CPerry@VermontCountryStore.com, From: MARLM924@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 13:57:21 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: edandjudy@adelphia.net, D2Cbrown@aol.com, BECKY31277@aol.com, From: CME715@aol.com Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 11:45:38 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: Dncndevil@aol.com, JMBrzycki@aol.com, JFGRYF@aol.com, Ecstacy1281@aol.com, From: Westroom@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:31:07 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: CME715@aol.com From: LATEINVT@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 08:54:25 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: DylanLadd1978@aol.com, TamC@aol.com, Agconch@aol.com, Wpd62@aol.com, From: PEGJSGIRL@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:50:21 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: AILINNY@aol.com, LATEINVT@aol.com, XCRPOWER@aol.com, Picker2002@aol.com, From: DWBARITALL@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:22:21 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: AlZinfl@aol.com, amy.smith1@att.net, Sukitoto@Vermontel.Net, From: "dennis barrett" To: Subject: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 09:18:10 -0400 ----- Original Message ----- From: BABYCAKASHYG To: JB7CA ; Sportzking08 ; LinkinBlade13 ; Tygger187 ; BabyBoricua55 ; Cahue5 ; Cas6924 ; Censeer ; SUPERGOHANGTKID ; Des ree666 ; w6twinky@hotmail ; wickedpsycho@bolt.com ; WickedsixXXXX ; ONE197@aol.com. ; HeyCee ; CHICAGOPLAYA69@YAHOO.COM Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:34 AM Subject: AOL IM SHUTDOWN Subject: AOL IM SHUTDOWN America Online and Instant Messages users: Our America online staff is planning to take away IM by May 9th, 2002. If you want to keep our IM free of charge, send this email to everyone you know. It will be used as a petition. Each person you send this to counts as one "signature" If this petition gets 100,000 signatures they will keep AOL IM. If they do not receive 100,000 votes you will have to pay 15.00 to have IM (per month). If you don't care about this then please for everyone's sake help out a little. Thank you for your time and consideration and please help AOL beat their vote. send it to more ppl. ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:25:29 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN To: TPLY@aol.com, RKA1080@aol.com, autograph1@earthlink.net, TWE3@aol.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com do you folks understand that these mass petition drives are a scam? they are nothing other than a method to collect email addresses for spammers. if you want to sign the petition, that's fine. but please don't use our servers to propagate this garbage! ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:28:06 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: AOL IM SHUTDOWN - Its a hoax! From: Dan Austin Before you get all worked up about this one, this rumor is a well-known hoax that's been hanging around the net for several years now. For more details, check out this page: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa020300a.htm?terms=aol >>Subject: AOL IM SHUTDOWN >>America Online and Instant Messages users: >>Our America online staff is planning to take away IM >>by May 9th, 2002. If you want to keep our IM free of >>charge, send this email to everyone you know. It will >>be used as a petition. Each person you send this to >>counts as one "signature" If this petition gets >>100,000 signatures they will keep AOL IM. >>If they do not receive 100,000 votes you will have to >>pay 15.00 to have IM (per month). If you don't care >>about this then please for everyone's sake help out a >>little. Thank you for your time and consideration and >>please help AOL beat their vote. send it to more ppl. ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:40:51 EDT Subject: I apologize! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - My sincere apologies for sending that silly message about the IM's I guess I have to much on my mind what with Vegas just around the corner. That is not an excuse and I feel really bad for sending the message. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:44:18 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Original message reads: America Online and Instant Messages users: Our America online staff is planning to take away IM by May 9th, 2002., blah blah blah It's May 10 people - gotta be a hoax - nothing about it on the AIM page. ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: tply@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN Original message reads: America Online and Instant Messages users: Our America online staff is planning to take away IM by May 9th, 2002., blah blah blah It's May 10 people - gotta be a hoax - nothing about it on the AIM page. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: RKA1080@aol.com ; autograph1@earthlink.net ; TWE3@aol.com ; Glk@aol.com ; JACKHAB@aol.com ; Davisjameson@aol.com ; Margaret_kramer@csaa.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Fw: AOL IM SHUTDOWN Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 22:30:51 EDT Subject: Re: Graded, and screwdown card holders To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002 20:41:51, "mikesportsfan" > I hope Geno doesn't see this message Ken M ================= To: Subject: Viva Las Vegas! Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 21:16:31 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I'm leaving tomorrow morning for Vegas02! I actually had to be at a conference in town all week anyway, so your tax dollars are going for my Vegas OBC trip! Anyway, I'll be at the Marriot Residence Inn Hughes Center (702-650-0040) if anyone gets into town early. My wife and kids are going to comefor the first few days, but will probably be heading back (for school) on Tuesday. Mike, I'll probably give you a call on Wednesday or Thursday to check the schedule... In the mean time, I need to get those APBA cards sent off to PSA...I'm pretty sure I have a PSA 10 Larvell Blanks right here in my hands... Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I apologize! Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 07:17:33 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" No problem Rick. If you do a search on Google you'll find a few web sites dedicated to exposing such scams. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/blmsn-mess.htm is one pertaining to this specific one. BTW, good luck on your big day! -----Original Message----- From: tply@aol.com [mailto:tply@aol.com] Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 9:41 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I apologize! All - My sincere apologies for sending that silly message about the IM's I guess I have to much on my mind what with Vegas just around the corner. That is not an excuse and I feel really bad for sending the message. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Height: 4567 ft 01234567891011 in Sex: F M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 09:51:28 EDT Subject: 1948 Leaf Cap color variations To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com What's the 1948 Leaf with the cap color variation that isn't listed in SCD? I think it's red cap vs. black cap. ================= Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 10:06:40 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I apologize! To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com rick: i am sorry for the tone of my response, and certainly never intended to imply that this was malicious in anyway. other members apparently thought that my response was something other than what it was meant to be, a warning about scams and how they are used to generate email lists for spammers. i am sure that my job requirements of spending all day at work on the computer and then coming home to scams reduces my tolerance level a bit, and i am sorry that i took it out on you. i apologize to you and to the entire group. good luck! gary mandell ================= Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:22:21 EDT Subject: Storing Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smart1853@aol.com I am at the point now where all the cards I have amassed are overflowing out of the 4 1600 ct boxes I currently have them stored in. Also, with a number of sets over the 75% mark, I am trying to decide how I want to store and display them. Originally I had planned to buy 800 ct boxes for each year and store all the cards in there, which would be consistent with the way I store my sets from 81-01. But for the sets I am working on now, I was thinking of storing them in individual binders with 9 pocket sheets storing 9 cards instead of 18 so I see front and back and can upgrade and view them more efficiently. I really want to be able to see each card and enjoy them because it was/is really cool building them like this, through trading. For those of you who have stored sets in binders, what do you think? How are they storage wise and is the expense of the binders and sheets worth it? I figured out I would need 875 sheets to store my sets from 1970-1980. Also, what size binders work for the larger sets like 1972 or the 726 card sets from the late 70's? Any help would be appreciated. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 13:50:19 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,vct@yahoogroups.com, Subject: "The Virtual Collection" From: Dan Austin The virtual collection has moved to its new location at: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/virtual/ If you haven't been there in a while, you'll notice that I have really become addicted to this and have added a lot of new sets, as well as giving the site a bit of a facelift. I hope you like the fruits of my (and Wayne Delia's) labor. I have been (and am just finishing up now) uploading the files to the new location this weekend, so if you've had problems with the site this weekend, that's why. I have also added a "what's new?" page to the site, so you can keep track of the new sets that have been added recently, and I can stop these annoying update messages. Current sets now include: 1909 T205 Gold Border (208 cards) 1910 PC796 Sepia Postcards (25 cards) 1912 T201 Mecca Double Folders (50 cards) 1912 T207 Brown Background (207 cards) 1927 Exhibits (64 cards) 1933 Delong (24 cards) 1933 Sport Kings (48 cards) 1934 Goudey (96 cards) 1941 Play Ball (72 cards) 1946 Remar Bread Oakland Oaks (23 cards) 1948 Bowman (48 cards) 1949 Bowman (240 cards + variations) 1949 Bowman PCL (36 cards) 1950 Remar Bread Oakland Oaks (27 cards) 1951 Topps Connie Mack All-Stars 1953 Bowman Color (160 cards) 1955 Topps (206 cards) 1961-62 Fleer (Basketball) (66 cards) 1961 Golden Press (33 cards) 1969 Topps Decals (48 cards) 1978 Topps/Zest (5 cards) 2001 Donruss Notable Nicknames (18 cards) 2001 Upper Deck Legends Fiorentino Collection (14 cards) 2002 SP Legendary Cuts (33 cards/partial set) Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:36:26 EDT Subject: 1978 Topps Available To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Still have several hundred 1978 Topps left after pulling cards for several traders. Let me know if you want some or a starter set. Take care, ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:15:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables & Adding New Sets From: "jimbo777777" Howdy Folks, I recently finished my '51 Topps bluebacks. I ended up with nine dupes. Two of these came from generous OBC'ers, and are hereby offered up as availables: #19 Phil Masi and #13 Mickey Vernon. Phil's in pretty good shape, a couple of light coffee stains. Mickey's creased and crumpled. As always, they are free to a good The other seven came from a big ebay lot that I picked up. They are #'s 1, 10, 17, 23, 36, 43, 47. I haven't decided what to do with these yet. I might relist them on ebay, or hold on to them for trading. If any OBC'ers are seriously working on this set, gimme a buzz and let's chat! I've also decided to start chasing the elusive Kellogg's 3-D baseball sets from the '70's. I have exactly five so far: 1979 Maddux & Perry, #16 & 49 of 60. 1977 Johnstone, #33 of 57 1976 Eckersley, #19 of 57 1970 McCovey, #4 of 75. Any contributions or trade offers welcome. Any condition gladly and gratefully accepted. ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:19:41 EDT Subject: V02 News... To: nerdmaker@naspa.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com First off a big thanks to Mike Diamanti and Saint Al for a delivery of enough coffee to keep all of Vegas buzzing for the next month! Barista Mike also sends along a big box of 89 Fleer wax for use at V02. Thanks guys! DIRECTIONS TO THE PARTY ON FUERTE: From the strip, take I15 south to the I215 Henderson exit. Take I215 all the way to I95 and go South (right) to the HORIZON Exit. Take a left on HORIZON, and go for about 3.5 miles, through 4 traffic lights. Approx. 1 mile after the last l.ght you will take a left on NEWPORT, a left on FELIZ CONTADO, and a right on FUERTE to 827. If you get lost call 558-4193. ALTERNATE DIRECTIONS TO THE PARTY ON FUERTE (MARGARET KRAMER METHOD): Take I15 past the last Vegas exit. Proceed on I15 until you come to CALIFORNIA. Turn around. Come back to Vegas and proceed as above. THE OFFICIAL (AS IT GETS) SCHEDULE FOR VEGAS 02. Friday May 17. 3:00 to 4:00pm Registration and Check in at Fuerte Ct. Nothing really that you have to do, but it sounds like something that we should do. Besides, there may be a few writing this off as a business trip and this sounds more official when the IRS calls. Bring your dupe box, this is when the cardboard flies. 5:00 pm Business Meeting Boy, are we getting official or what! Actually we will distribute ballgame tickets and draw teams for the Seventh First Annual Golf Tournament. 6:00pm Rib Fest begins Note to Rookies: Try to get in line ahead of Ken Morganti and Team Ellison. The sauce is also good on the beans, and the macaroni salad is killer 7:00 pm Half Rubber Game Rick is about the only one who understands it, but he'll tell you if you win 8:30 pm or so The Captain Craps "We are the OBC and we come in peace" annual trip to Railroad Pass Hey, there's no roller coaster, Eiffel Tower, dancing waters or Statue of Liberty. As a matter of fact, you can't even see the strip from there, but we can play craps for a quarter, and it's close to my house. Saturday May 18 5:30 am The somewhat annual Excuse Breakfast. It's not a misprint 5:30 AM. For the Rookies: There are no excuses allowed on the golf course. Bring them all to the Excuse Breakfast. There are no need to bring the following excuses as they are givens: "I haven't played much", "My (insert body part here) hurts", I'm getting old". Any medical excuses must be accompanied by X-rays, MRI or a personal appearance by the doctor to be considered valid. While I believe that the breakfast will be at Tee Shots, it may be changed if the hour is too early for Tee Shots. 7:00am The Seventh First Annual Golf Tournament and championship. No strokes are given in this tournament. If you're gonna whine, bring your own cheese. 12:00 noon. The annual lunch (not) at Holy Cow Tripleplay insists on buying the first round. This years lunch will be at The Barking Frog, located just up the hill from the card shop. The owner of the card shop tells me it's a great place, and that they bring the water in from Boston to make the Pizza. (I have no idea what that means, but well go with it anyway). 1:30pm The traditional sunday morning visit to the card shop This year coming to you on Saturday afternoon. We'll all miss those tasty breakfasts at Jack in the Box. I visited the shop this week to let Rick (the owner) know we are coming. He'll have the tables set up for us and is working on bringing in some additional old stuff. He recently had a robbery where they got much of his old cards that were in the front case. 7:00 pm The traditional "Hey Blue" baseball game and pretty annual fireworks The Las Vegas 51s (Dodgers) play the Portland Beavers(?) (Padres). Bring a pocket full of quarters, as Josh has a fun "cup" game to play. Or use the quarters to buy Rick's alliance to your team. Afterwards a fantastic fireworks show. Sunday May 19 (I'm not sure of the time) The wedding singer. Rick and Margaret get married! (sometime later) The Reception Eat, drink and be merry! (and, possibly still later) Closing ceremonies at Hooters! as time permits ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Strange stuff available Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 14:35:06 -0400 From: "Donna Wells" Most of this stuff was printed post 1980, but the players featured are of the "vintage" era. Some are down right interesting.... Bob W.... 1. 1948 Basketball reprint #30, 52 2. 1953 Topps Archives #175, 215 3. 1954 Topps Archives #13, 22, 26, 33, 42, 44, 54, 66, 72, 76 91, 106, 163, 167, 181, 223, 252, 253, 254, 255, 258. 4. Baseball Immortals: #34 - Hugh Duffy 5. ??? #31 Nap Lajoie 6. Conlin Collection: 9Johnson, 10 Hubbell, 50 Cronin, 310 Gehrig, 253 Hubbell, 252, 215, 208, 214, 190, 176, 174, 162, 133, 94, 91, 88, 331 Mathewson, 26 Faber. 7. Diamond Stars (repro) #17 Frisch, 97 Lopez. 8. 1992 Delphi: Babe Ruth "The Called Shot" 9. 1994 Ted Williams: 11 Hodges, 10 B. Robby, 19 Collins, 20 Fox, 22 Klu 24 Vander Meer, 25 Feller, 28 Rosen. 10. Pete Rose c. 1980 from Wheaties Box. 11. Baseball All Time Greats: Pie Traynor, Klu 12. Red Heart (repro): Nelli Fox 13. UpperDeck Eagle Peanuts: Bob Gibson, Willie Stargell, Whitey Ford, Killebrew, Seaver, Reggie Jackson. 14. Sotheby's: Lou Gehrig, Joe Jackson, The shot heard round the world, Ty Cobb Pine Tar, Babe Ruth Ball. 15. 1985 circle K: 30 Kiner, #34 May 16. 1988 Pacific: #92 Jim Bunning 17. Sonic Baseball Greats: Bert Campaneris 18. Pinnacle: #16 of 30 Mickey Mantle 19. Target All Time Dodgers: Kennedy/Foutz/Kekich/Lopez 20. All Time Orioles: Flannagan - Foiles 21. 100th Anniversary Dodgers: Mike Hartley 22. Chicago Greats: Billy Herman 23. Origins of Baseball: Tim Keefe 24. T-206 (repro) Collins 25. Upperdeck: Curt Flood ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 16:42:06 EDT Subject: Joe Cunningham and other availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- here are some availables- a few hi #'s from various years to fill holes in the back of a binder and 2 1952 topps of Ron Northey- (light and dark variety) Non- Sport- Topps 1960's John F. Kennedy cards # 72-shows Kennedy and 1st Lady on a tiny sailboat.(am surprised secret service would allow Kennedy to ride on sailboat this small in ocean-hope he was a good swimmer-this thing looks like a swimming pool toy that could capsize with the smallest wave ) 52 topps # 5 (BB) Larry Jansen- trimmed to oval bowman tv style 52 topps # 204- Ron Northey-trimmed- white border showing on 3 of 4 sides- dark variety 52 topps # 204- Ron Northey -O/C L to R- light variety 69 topps # 420 - Ron Santo- Sporting News National League All Star 69 topps # 423- Bert Campaneris- Sporting News American League All Star 69 topps # 422- Don Kessinger- Sporting News National League All Star 70 topps # 451- Boog Powell-Sporting News American League All Star 70 topps # 454- Ron Santo- Sporting News National League All Star 70 topps # 455- Brooks Robinson- Sporting News American League All Star 70 topps # 467- Denny McLain- Sporting Nerws American League All Star 1956 topps 328- Bobby Hofman 1953 Color Bowman # 2- Vic Wertz- VG 1955 Bowman tv # 220 Jim Hearn 1960 topps hi # 562- Joe Cunningham 1966 topps hi # 531- Joe Cunningham 1965 topps Football # 36- Daryle LaMonica- quarterback 1970 Kelloggs # 50- Sam McDowell 1944 Play Ball # 16- Ed Busch 1959 topps hi # 516- Mike Garcia 1960 Leaf # 11- Jim Busby- this guy bettered 10 seconds in the 100 yard dash in high school in 1944- that is fast! non -sports 50's Topps # 61- Davy Crockett 1959 topps # 561- Hank Aaron- Sporting News ' 59 All Star Selection 1948 Bowman Football # 46- Skippy Minisi- N.Y. Giants 1970 La Pizza Royale - John Boccabella Old Judge T-96 Series- Jayhawk Owens 1965 topps hi # 572- Orioles Team ================= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 02:27:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bluebacks, trades and '63 Post Baseball From: "jimbo777777" Thanks everybody, for the overwhelming response to my Topps blueback project. I wish I could've traded with each and everyone who responded. As it was, I was able to make five great trades. Did anyone notice the 1963 Post Baseball near-set on ebay? It sold tonight for $875.09. Missing eleven cards no less. Wow! ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:36:04 EDT Subject: Poor cubbies! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com 20 major events that have occurred since the Chicago Cubs last laid claim to a World Series championship (1906): 1. Radio was invented; Cubs fans got to hear their team 2. TV was invented; Cubs fans got to see their team lose. 3. Baseball added 14 teams; Cubs fans get to see and hear their team lose to more clubs. 4. George Burns celebrated his 10th, 20th, 30th, 40th, 50th, 60th, 70th, 80th, 90th and 100th birthdays. 5. Haley's comet passed Earth twice. 6. Harry Caray was born....and died. 7. The NBA, NHL and NFL were formed, and Chicago teams won championships in each league. 8. Man landed on the moon, as have several home runs given up by Cubs 9. Sixteen U.S. presidents were elected 10. There were 11 amendments added to the Constitution. 11. Prohibition was created and repealed. 12. The Titanic was built, set sail, sank, was discovered and became the subject of major motion pictures, the latest giving Cubs fans hope that something that finishes on the bottom can come out on 13. Wrigley Field was built and becomes the oldest park in the National 14. Flag poles were erected on Wrigley Field roof to hold all of the team's future World Series pennants. Those flag poles have since rusted and been taken down. 15. A combination of 40 Summer and Winter Olympics have been held. 16. Thirteen baseball players have won the Triple Crown; several thanked Cubs 17. Bell-bottoms came in style, went out of style and came back in. 18.The Cleveland Indians, Boston Red Sox, Arizona Diamondbacks and the Florida Marlins have all won the World Series. 19. The Cubs played 14,153 regular-season games; they lost the majority of 20. Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Oklahoma and New Mexico were added to the ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:37:04 EDT Subject: 1978 Topps Availables To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com I have pulled several more groups of 1978 Topps for folks who have requested them, but I must be down to the end on this one. If no one asks for the rest of the cards by 10 AM tomorrow, I am mailing them to Mark Manary for cards for kids. Get em while they last!! ================= Subject: interesting Jackie lot on eBay Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 22:38:22 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1828521037 1948 Swell #3, bid at about $12 right now ... OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poor cubbies! Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:08:44 -0400 From: "galtemos" Hi Howard, Actually, the Cubs lost in 1906, to the Hitless Wonders across town. And they won in 1907 and 1908, defeating Ty Cobb and the Detroit Tigers. George Burns celebrated his 10th birthday in 1906, and Oklahoma was added to the Union in 1907. But your point is well taken. I have always liked the Cubs, and it would be nice to see them win again. > From: HMorgan707@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poor cubbies! > Date: Sunday, May 12, 2002 10:36 PM > 20 major events that have occurred since the Chicago > Cubs last laid claim > to a World Series championship (1906): > --------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > 1. Radio was invented; Cubs fans got to hear their team > lose. > 2. TV was invented; Cubs fans got to see their team lose. > 3. Baseball added 14 teams; Cubs fans get to see and > hear their team lose to > more clubs. > 4. George Burns celebrated his 10th, 20th, 30th, 40th, > 50th, 60th, 70th, > 80th, 90th and 100th birthdays. > 5. Haley's comet passed Earth twice. > 6. Harry Caray was born....and died. > 7. The NBA, NHL and NFL were formed, and Chicago teams > won championships in > each league. > 8. Man landed on the moon, as have several home runs > given up by Cubs > pitchers. > 9. Sixteen U.S. presidents were elected > 10. There were 11 amendments added to the Constitution. > 11. Prohibition was created and repealed. > 12. The Titanic was built, set sail, sank, was > discovered and became the > subject of major motion pictures, the latest giving Cubs > fans hope that > something that finishes on the bottom can come out on > top. > 13. Wrigley Field was built and becomes the oldest park > in the National > League > 14. Flag poles were erected on Wrigley Field roof to > hold all of the team's > future World Series pennants. Those flag poles have > since rusted and been > taken down. > 15. A combination of 40 Summer and Winter Olympics have > been held. > 16. Thirteen baseball players have won the Triple Crown; > several thanked Cubs > pitchers. > 17. Bell-bottoms came in style, went out of style and > came back in. > 18.The Cleveland Indians, Boston Red Sox, Arizona > Diamondbacks and the > Florida Marlins have all won the World Series. > 19. The Cubs played 14,153 regular-season games; they > lost the majority of > them. > 20. Alaska, Arizona, Hawaii, Oklahoma and New Mexico > were added to the > Union > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:34:09 EDT Subject: NYC Fireman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I have been chatting, as I suspect many of you have, with NYC fireman Rob Gioia. Rob was in the south tower of the world trade center just before it collapsed. He has a few T206's he got from his grandfather and is starting to collect 57's, 69's, and 76's to keep his mind off the horrors of the trade May I suggest an OBC bombing? His name is Rob Gioia II 145 Cole Court Buchanan, NY 10511 - Doug ================= Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 23:47:47 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rob Gioia From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I have chatted with Rob too, he has no 1976 cards and wants to start a set (I sent him 8 from that year). So I figure that would be a perfect starting point for us. We can probably polish that one off in about 2 weeks (smile). ================= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:08:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NYC Fireman To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I chatted with him for 30 minutes last night and am sending him a T206 today. ================= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:50:48 EDT Subject: [OBC Ramblings] Last note on NYC Fireman & T206s To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com One last note, Rob told me he likes T206s WITH back damage cause that means someone used to display them. That's a total OBC attitude. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Share a t206 lot? Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 16:23:07 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" jverri has a lot of 100 t206's closing in about 5 hours...opening bid of $700. Cards looks decent for the starting price of $7 each. Anybody want to share this lot? I don't think I'd want more than 20, so if anybody wants some or all of the remaining 80, let me know. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1827321653 Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: topgolf@aol.com, nerdmaker@naspa.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 News... Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 14:41:35 -0700 From: "Al Cummings" Not on the official schedule but you are are invited to the semi traditional opening night at Sam's Town. This year it looks like Sunday night. We used to meet at the Sport's Bar to get things started but something happened involving the basketball court and we are banned from there but the serve a mean Italian dinner. We will set up a time for those who are still in town. Both Denise's are the featured hostesses and they will probably bring Peter and Dave just to ruin things, see you there Big Al >From: topgolf@aol.com >To: nerdmaker@naspa.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 News... >Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 13:19:41 EDT >First off a big thanks to Mike Diamanti and Saint Al for a delivery of >coffee to keep all of Vegas buzzing for the next month! Barista Mike also >sends along a big box of 89 Fleer wax for use at V02. Thanks guys! >DIRECTIONS TO THE PARTY ON FUERTE: >From the strip, take I15 south to the I215 Henderson exit. Take I215 all >way to I95 and go South (right) to the HORIZON Exit. Take a left on >and go for about 3.5 miles, through 4 traffic lights. Approx. 1 mile after >the last l.ght you will take a left on NEWPORT, a left on FELIZ CONTADO, >a right on FUERTE to 827. If you get lost call 558-4193. > ALTERNATE DIRECTIONS TO THE PARTY ON FUERTE (MARGARET KRAMER METHOD): >Take I15 past the last Vegas exit. Proceed on I15 until you come to >CALIFORNIA. Turn around. Come back to Vegas and proceed as above. >THE OFFICIAL (AS IT GETS) SCHEDULE FOR VEGAS 02. >Friday May 17. >3:00 to 4:00pm Registration and Check in at Fuerte Ct. >Nothing really that you have to do, but it sounds like something that we >should do. Besides, there may be a few writing this off as a business trip >and this sounds more official when the IRS calls. Bring your dupe box, this >is when the cardboard flies. >5:00 pm Business Meeting >Boy, are we getting official or what! Actually we will distribute ballgame >tickets and draw teams for the Seventh First Annual Golf Tournament. >6:00pm Rib Fest begins >Note to Rookies: Try to get in line ahead of Ken Morganti and Team Ellison. >The sauce is also good on the beans, and the macaroni salad is killer >7:00 pm Half Rubber Game >Rick is about the only one who understands it, but he'll tell you if you >8:30 pm or so The Captain Craps "We are the OBC and we come in peace" >trip to Railroad Pass >Hey, there's no roller coaster, Eiffel Tower, dancing waters or Statue of >Liberty. As a matter of fact, you can't even see the strip from there, but >can play craps for a quarter, and it's close to my house. >Saturday May 18 >5:30 am The somewhat annual Excuse Breakfast. >It's not a misprint 5:30 AM. For the Rookies: There are no excuses >on the golf course. Bring them all to the Excuse Breakfast. There are no >need to bring the following excuses as they are givens: "I haven't played >much", "My (insert body part here) hurts", I'm getting old". Any medical >excuses must be accompanied by X-rays, MRI or a personal appearance by the >doctor to be considered valid. >While I believe that the breakfast will be at Tee Shots, it may be changed >the hour is too early for Tee Shots. >7:00am The Seventh First Annual Golf Tournament and championship. >No strokes are given in this tournament. If you're gonna whine, bring your >own cheese. >12:00 noon. The annual lunch (not) at Holy Cow >Tripleplay insists on buying the first round. This years lunch will be at >The Barking Frog, located just up the hill from the card shop. The owner >the card shop tells me it's a great place, and that they bring the water in >from Boston to make the Pizza. (I have no idea what that means, but well go >with it anyway). >1:30pm The traditional sunday morning visit to the card shop >This year coming to you on Saturday afternoon. We'll all miss those tasty >breakfasts at Jack in the Box. I visited the shop this week to let Rick >owner) know we are coming. He'll have the tables set up for us and is >on bringing in some additional old stuff. He recently had a robbery where >they got much of his old cards that were in the front case. >7:00 pm The traditional "Hey Blue" baseball game and pretty annual >The Las Vegas 51s (Dodgers) play the Portland Beavers(?) (Padres). Bring a >pocket full of quarters, as Josh has a fun "cup" game to play. Or use the >quarters to buy Rick's alliance to your team. Afterwards a fantastic >fireworks show. >Sunday May 19 >(I'm not sure of the time) The wedding singer. >Rick and Margaret get married! >(sometime later) The Reception >Eat, drink and be merry! >(and, possibly still later) Closing ceremonies at Hooters! >as time permits Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 19:27:13 EDT Subject: Vegas weather report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Predicated weather for V02: Fri Hi 94 Lo 65 Sat Hi 93 Lo 64 Sun Hi 90 Lo 60 Shorts are acceptable attire in almost every place in town. Rest Well, ================= Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:18:00 EDT Subject: Mo' Vegas info... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, nerdmaker@naspa.net From: topgolf@aol.com "Did you get a bowl of soup when you bought that hat?" R. Dangerfield, Caddyshack 1) With our admission to the ballgame we get a ""group hat coupon" redeemable for a "51s Group Hat." 2) Rick informs me that the wedding is at 12:15 on Sunday. Dress is casual, no shorts, please. Requests for the wearing the Rookie Shoes to the wedding will be accepted at the business meeting on Friday night. If more than one person requests the shoes, the final decision will be made with the Rest Well, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mo' Vegas info... Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 22:35:22 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" There is no chance I will wear the Rookie Shoes to Rick's wedding. I'll wear them elsewhere during the weekend but not to his wedding. Just my two Steve <-- May go to a driving range tomorrow and swing a club for the first time since high school. ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; nerdmaker@naspa.net Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mo' Vegas info... "Did you get a bowl of soup when you bought that hat?" R. Dangerfield, Caddyshack 1) With our admission to the ballgame we get a ""group hat coupon" redeemable for a "51s Group Hat." 2) Rick informs me that the wedding is at 12:15 on Sunday. Dress is casual, no shorts, please. Requests for the wearing the Rookie Shoes to the wedding will be accepted at the business meeting on Friday night. If more than one person requests the shoes, the final decision will be made with the Rest Well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:03:07 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Classical Baseball Humor From: "Dr. John V Harrell" The Boston Symphony Orchestra was performing Beethoven's Ninth Symphony. In the piece, there's a long passage, about 20 minutes, during which the bass violinists have nothing to do. Rather than sit around that whole time looking stupid, some bassists decided to sneak offstage and go to the tavern next door for a drink. After slamming several beers in quick succession, one of them looked at his watch. "Hey! We need to get back!" he cried. "No need to panic," said a fellow bassist. "I thought we might need some extra time, so I tied the last few pages of the conductor's score together with string. It'll take him a few minutes to get it untangled." A few moments later, the drunk musicians staggered back into the concert hall and took their places in the orchestra. About this time, a member of the audience noticed the conductor seemed a bit edgy. She pointed this out to her date. "Well, of course," said her companion. "Don't you see? It's the bottom of the Ninth, the score is tied, and the bassists are loaded." QUICK WIT What's the difference between men and government bonds? Bonds mature. ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:04:52 EDT Subject: Say it ain't so, Jose! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Is the sports news report true i saw on last night's TV news that Jose Canseco is retiring? It mentioned he was 38 home runs short of 500- i would like to point that out to all the card companies and baseball card magazines who said he would finish his career with at least 700 home runs- in honor of the great Canseco and all those who bought 100 card "investor" lots of his cards in the late 80's to early 90's only to find them basically worthless now i am sending out special "limited edition" Jose Canseco CMC 1989 cards to many who requested my availables- they make good packing when i send out cards of Mantle from the 1997 shoebox collection and the authentic sports 72 card 1982 set of which i have some dups to share- Mantle in Cooperstown - Canseco in Flubberstown>- Linda ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:26:44 EDT Subject: Of Canseco and Cooperstown To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I would personally like to congratulate canseco on replacing Dave Kingman as the person with the highest home run total with NO SHOT at being elected to the hall of fame. I am breathing easier now, for had he reached 500 home runs I would have been worried. Let me toss out another argument. I have believed for a long time that there should be an addition to the HOF for "one shot" achievements. I think Maris should go into that wing for his 61 homers, I think Larsen should go in for his WS perfect game, I think Thompson should go in for his home run. Not being "elected" to the hall, but at least haveing their accomplishments recognized at the baseball shrine. Having said that, I would like to point out that Canseco DOES deserve at least a mention in the list of great achievments for that 5th deck home run he hit at Skydome. I have watched that thing many times. There may have been longer homers hit and there may have been people with more power.. but WOW. That is my 2 cents both for and against Canseco. Long live the Hall ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:30:17 -0400 (EDT) To: t206guy@aol.com Subject: Canseco/Kingman/HOF/Top 49 HRS of All Time VHS From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:26:44 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown I would personally like to congratulate canseco on replacing Dave Kingman as the person with the highest home run total with NO SHOT at being elected to the hall of fame. I am breathing easier now, for had he reached 500 home runs I would have been worried. Let me toss out another argument. I have believed for a long time that there should be an addition to the HOF for "one shot" achievements. I think Maris should go into that wing for his 61 homers, I think Larsen should go in for his WS perfect game, I think Thompson should go in for his home run. Not being "elected" to the hall, but at least haveing their accomplishments recognized at the baseball shrine. Having said that, I would like to point out that Canseco DOES deserve at least a mention in the list of great achievments for that 5th deck home run he hit at Skydome. I have watched that thing many times. There may have been longer homers hit and there may have been people with more power.. but WOW. That is my 2 cents both for and against Canseco. Long live the Hall ================= To: "OBC_Ramblings" Subject: SABR Convention Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:36:09 -0700 From: "Bob Donaldson" The SABR convention will be in Boston this year. Is anyone going, besides For more information on SABR see http://www.sabr.org ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:24:29 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown To: T206Guy@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Personally, I've always thought that Jose's most impressive achievement was the night at Cleveland when a fly ball bounced off his head and over the fence for a home run...... In a message dated 5/14/02 2:28:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t206guy@aol.com << Let me toss out another argument. I have believed for a long time that should be an addition to the HOF for "one shot" achievements. I think should go into that wing for his 61 homers, I think Larsen should go in for his WS perfect game, I think Thompson should go in for his home run. Not being "elected" to the hall, but at least haveing their accomplishments recognized at the baseball shrine. Having said that, I would like to point out that Canseco DOES deserve at least a mention in the list of great achievements for that 5th deck home run he hit at Skydome. I have watched that thing many times. There may have longer homers hit and there may have been people with more power.. but WOW. ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 18:35:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown To: Malsman250@cs.com, T206Guy@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com The incident you refer to is probably the most compelling argument against Jose getting into the HOF! He is the perfect example of the possibility of someday seeing a player drafted that doesn't even own a glove. Drafted as a DH only and never playing real baseball, just pounding the ball for millions of dollars! ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:23:17 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another milestone bites the dust! From: Dan Austin With some new incomings today, my '51-'80 Topps/'48-'55 Bowman run is now officially under 1000! Woo hoo! I think when I joined OBC 2 1/2 yrs ago, it was sitting around 3200... ;-) The next milestone on the horizon...I'm now down to 538 Topps to finish '51-'80! (257 of them are '51 Blue Backs and '52s...sigh...) Who will be my hero? Stay tuned! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:06:05 EDT Subject: The Brilliance of Bill James! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I enjoy reading Bill James as much as the next guy, particularly the "Historical Baseball Abstract" stuff - but tonight I looked back on a couple items from "The Baseball Book 1991." A couple of the good ones.... Jeff Shaw - "He's a joke. He can't pitch. There is no way in the world to explain why an organization would give up on Kevin Bearse, but invest nine starts in Jeff Shaw. (Kevin Bearse? Who was Kevin Bearse? This guy was apparently an Indian, and I don't remember Kevin Bearse. And how did Shaw get all those saves, anyway?) Mark McClemore - "McLemore is only 26, but will probably never reestablish himself as a regular." (Better tell Seattle....) Omar Vizquel - "In view of his youth (he's 24), his defense, and signs of progress as a hitter, he'll be around for several years. I don't anticipate his moving into the top rank of American League shortstops." (Those several years stretched out pretty good.) Mike Bordick - He's got no future - no power, not much speed, hits like Gallego. (Just a little off on that one.....) Tito Bell - "....he's a major league shortstop all the way." (Tito Bell....the name doesn't ring one.....) Guess that it's easier to look backward at statistics than forward at ================= Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:12:37 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown From: Gary Pearce At 01:26 PM 5/14/02, t206guy@aol.com wrote; >I would personally like to congratulate canseco on replacing Dave Kingman >as the person with the highest home run total with NO SHOT at being >elected to the hall of fame. I am breathing easier now, for had he >reached 500 home runs I would have been worried. I'm ambivalent about Jose's HoF chances. He certainly wouldn't be the worst player elected. If he doesn't get in, hopefully it will raise the bar high enough to effectively kill the candidacies of marginal "sluggers" like Joe Carter, Harold Baines, Andre Dawson, etc. >Let me toss out another argument. I have believed for a long time that >there should be an addition to the HOF for "one shot" achievements. I >think Maris should go into that wing for his 61 homers, I think Larsen >should go in for his WS perfect game, I think Thompson should go in for >his home run. Not being "elected" to the hall, but at least haveing their >accomplishments recognized at the baseball shrine. I've never been to Cooperstown, but isn't that the point of the HoF Museum? The museum recognizes noteworthy achievements and moments while the Hall itself recognizes noteworthy players. I'm quite sure there is plenty of Pete Rose memorabilia displayed in the museum despite his lack of a bronze plaque hanging in the Hall. ================= To: topgolf@aol.com, nerdmaker@naspa.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 News... Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:02:01 -0700 From: "Al Cummings" Have the new lights been installed at Fuerte Field? The long ball record will not be touched with the old lights in place. St. Al Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:23:14 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 News... To: alcattle@hotmail.com, Topgolf@aol.com, nerdmaker@naspa.net, From: tply@aol.com St. Al and All - Peter's home run record may be in jeopardy this year my son can hit the old "Half Apple" and he has grown a bit since some of you has seen him! ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:27:25 EDT Subject: In final preparation for Vegas To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - As we come closer to time to leave for Vegas I thought I would give you mine and Margaret's cell phone numbers, just in case you want to call and try to talk her out of this: Margaret's cell is 510-386-7302 My cell is 510-378-4666 If you would like to share your cell number with me please email it before tomorrow night and I will program them in my cell so we can stay in touch while in Vegas. Rick and Margaret ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] In final preparation for Vegas Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 06:14:05 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Leaving Thursday AM. Arrive 1pm. Denise and I are staying at the Sahara. Plans are to hit the RIO Thursday night for the seafood buffet. If anyoneelse is around and cares to join us, let us know. David's cell 219 614 1651 Denise's cell 219 614 1492 ----- Original Message ----- From: tply@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: TWE3@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] In final preparation for Vegas All - As we come closer to time to leave for Vegas I thought I would giveyou mine and Margaret's cell phone numbers, just in case you want to call and try to talk her out of this: Margaret's cell is 510-386-7302 My cell is 510-378-4666 If you would like to share your cell number with me please email it before tomorrow night and I will program them in my cell so we can stay in touchwhile in Vegas. Rick and Margaret Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:29:51 EDT Subject: The number you have reached.... To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com 389-3683... is inexplicably dead. No wonder I haven't been getting any calls. I picked up the phone on my other line to make a call while I was surfing the internet and got no dial tone. The main proble is that I actually WANTED someone to call. I went down to the bank last Friday to set things in motion to get a mortgage. The bank said they'd try to get back to me on Mon. or Tues. - so I was slightly irritated when I heard nothing from them - or from anyone else for that matter. Nothing was wrong with my second line, as I racked up the time on the internet oblivious to the fact that no one could get in touch with me while I was online. (The phone would just keep 'ringing' on their end.) Long story short (if that's possible now), the phone company is sending a repair technician here by 6PM tomorrow - luckily they don't need me to be here because I'm not going to be anyway. One thing that IS still working around here is the mail system. 11AM found the postman sneaking onto the porch and depositing yet another OBC package in my mailbox. Luckily for him I was preoccupied with other matters and he escaped without getting tackled. Today's mail yielded an envelope from Jim Hatch containing information on the GBSCC and a donation to the hat fund. The GBSCC hosts an annual three-day show that is the best in the area and probably bettered only by Ft. Washington and The Nationals (at least as far as shows I've attended.) Admission to the show is free for GBSCC members (much like FW is for EPSCC members), however I had no earthly idea how to join the mysterious organization. They never really promoted membership, not even with a flier at their own show. Jim hooks me up with the needed info - plus Jim's hat fund donation makes year's membership almost free THANKS JIM!! Yesterday's mail (which I failed to promptly report) brought two more additional letters to my inbox. John McLaughlin sent a neat package which he warned me I'd need protective eyeware for viewing. John killed off one set plus another insert set from my UV list. Much appreciated. THANKS JOHN!! OK, now I warned you all before that sending unnecessarily large donations to the hat fund would not go unpunished. Bama tries to call my bluff by sending $25 to add to the pot. I tried to put a limit on the donations - I've seen what this group can do a few times before. Please remember that the hats are going to cost less than ten bucks each delivered to your door or handed to you in person. I will continue to accept contributions right up until my expenses (and Lynn's) are met. The total so far stands at $374. THANKS JOHN!! I'm so jazzed about Vegas this year. For the first time in ...well, ever... I am packed and ready to go on a trip more than 1/2 hour before I'm supposed to actually leave. It's going to be my first trip on a plane since 9/11, so I want to make sure everything is ready to go - and I've taken all the box cutters out of my luggage. Since I work with these all the time, there's usually one with me. I'm going to be especially sure I take the one out of my back pocket after I leave work tomorrow morning too. (Headline: "Everett man arrested for..."). I'm always the one that says "How can someone be such an idiot?" Anyway, I'm really rambling now. I'm going to sort out a few more cards to take with me on the trip. TAYL, Ken M - if the first line is busy, try again later.... grrrr ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:34:42 EDT Subject: Bone chips? Didn't OBC say something like this would happen? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com New story on espn today... http://msn.espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/2002/0515/1382741.html ================= To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: type set idea Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:39:37 -0400 From: "James Moleta" Neat idea! Even though I havent made a list, I have subconciously been accumulating cards of players from that book (Hans Lobert, Al Bridwell, Chief Meyers are a few) ever since I picked it up at a Harvard U. used bookstore a few years ago. I also agree with the quote by Red Barber on the front of my edition, which reads, "The single best baseball book of all Guess it's time to update my wantlist... >From: "jcollins12" >To: james_moleta@hotmail.com OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com >Subject: type set idea >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 13:12:41 -0700 >I told James before that I liked his idea about collecting every >card that is in "The Book." >Here is another idea though: How about a type set made up of >cards of players that gave interviews in "The Glory of Their >Times" by Lawrence Ritter? That would be really neat because >there are personal stories behind all of those guys that you >don't normally get to hear. And if I remember correctly there >aren't any cards in that group (would be pretty broad because >you could choose any card of the player you wanted) that would >be just too expensive. Marquard, Tommy Leach, Sam Crawford, >Just an idea ! > >--- Original Message --- > >From: "jmoleta30341" > >To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com > >Date: 5/15/02 2:59:37 PM > > > >Oops! I said Hersh, and meant to say Gersh! Sorry Larry, and > >again! > > > >--- In OBC-Thanks@y..., "jmoleta30341" wrote: > >> I havent sent out many cards lately, but I made one ramble > >> getting married, and the floodgates opened! > >> > >> BROCK HATTOX checks in w/ 5 49B, 2 39 Playball incl Arky Vaughn, > >and > >> a 33 Goudey! > >> > >> LINDA & TIM FITAK send a bulging envelope w/ Linda's typical > >> assortment of goodies, incl 3 63T & a 52 Swish Nicholson, > >> happens to be a hit to my "The Book" list!! I'm now down to >3 cards! > >> > >> New guy HERSH jumps into the fray with 8 75T minis! > >> > >> Another Atlantan MAC WUBBEN hit me today w/ 3 62T, incl a > >Ford > >> All star! > >> > >> Thanks y'all! OBC - You gotta love it! > >> > >> James > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:20:14 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Can you ID this Old Milwaukee Braves Card Set? From: Dan Austin I'm stumped. Anyone have any ideas on this? >X-From_: tom@the-scoreboard.com Wed May 15 12:09:50 2002 >From: "The Scoreboard" >To: >Subject: Old Milwaukee Braves Card Set >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:11:57 -0500 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 >I have a set of Milwaukee Braves Cards that are still in its original >clear plastic wrapper. It has no company name or copyright year. The >front has a team photo card and the back card is John Logan Jr. with a #23 >in the upper right corner. It also has 6 stars with facts about >Logan. It mentions him playing w/ the Braves until 1961 and then playing >several years in Japanese League after 1963. They may be from a Brewer >giveaway but I don't know when. If you could help me I would appreciate >it. If you don't know please sent this back to me blank so i know you >recieved it. >Thanks for your time, Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bone chips? Didn't OBC say something like this would happen? Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:30:47 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Jeff Nelson bone chips: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829213790 >This is sick, if you ask me. What's next? Maybe somebody could dig up Wilt Chamberlain and auction off that part of his body that saw more action than Wilt did on the court. Can you see the ebay auction? Own forever what 20,000 women had for one night..... >>--- Original Message --- >>From: Wite3@aol.com >>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>Date: 5/15/02 10:34:42 AM >>New story on espn today... >>http://msn.espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/s/2002/0515/1382741.html >> >>

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>> >> >> >> >> >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can you ID this Old Milwaukee Braves Card Set? Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:32:04 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" According to the Alphabetical checklist, Johnny Logan was card #23 in the 1983 "53 Fritsch" set. I think that is one of the millions of sets made byLarry Fritsch. Can anyone confirm? ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can you ID this Old Milwaukee Braves Card Set? I'm stumped. Anyone have any ideas on this? X-From_: tom@the-scoreboard.com Wed May 15 12:09:50 2002 From: "The Scoreboard" To: Subject: Old Milwaukee Braves Card Set Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:11:57 -0500 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 I have a set of Milwaukee Braves Cards that are still in its original clear plastic wrapper. It has no company name or copyright year. The fronthas a team photo card and the back card is John Logan Jr. with a #23 in the upper right corner. It also has 6 stars with facts about Logan. It mentions him playing w/ the Braves until 1961 and then playing several years inJapanese League after 1963. They may be from a Brewer giveaway but I don't know when. If you could help me I would appreciate it. If you don't know please sent this back to me blank so i know you recieved it. Thanks for your time, Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare Yahoo! 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Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 23:59:06 EDT Subject: topps and bowman complete sets on ebay To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Hi- this is Linda- i noticed a seller on ebay named Broadway Rick's Strike Zone in Florida has complete topps sets from 1958 - 1966 - also a complete 51 bowman set - on ebay- this seller must have a huge inventory of cards to be running that many complete sets on ebay - the 58,61,62,53,64 sets close tomorrow- another thing i noticed- most of these sets have not reached the reserve this seller has set- has any trader dealt with this seller?- it is unusual to see this many complete sets on ebay-i don't think i have ever seen a complete 51 bowman set on ebay or anywhere else- there are 324 cards in that set with a lot of stars including Mantle- the 51 bowman set- #1828207583- closes May 17 -again i notice the current bid on this set has the status- "reserve not met"=i wonder if any of these sets will meet this sellers reserve at the end of the auctions- Linda ================= Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:12:30 EDT Subject: hockey puckey! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com > >> >>> >>>> Two boys are playing hockey on a pond in a Denver suburb, when one >>>> is viciously attacked by a Rottweiler. Thinking quickly, the other boy >>>> takes his hockey stick, wedges it down into the dog's collar and twists, >>>> immobilizing, stunning and rendering the dog unconscious. >>>> A reporter who was passing by sees the incident and rushes over to >>>> interview the boy. >>>> He starts writing in his notebook, "Young Avalanche Fan Saves Friend >>>> From Brutal Dog Attack." >>>> "But I'm not an Avalanche fan," the little hero said. >>>> The reporter replied, "Sorry but since we are in Denver, I just assumed >>>> you were". >>>> He starts over ... "Little Bronco Fan Rescues Friend From Horrific >>>> Attack." >>>> The boy stopped him again saying, "I'm not a Bronco fan, either". >>>> "Well," said the reporter, "I assumed everyone in Denver was either for >>>> the Avalanche or the Broncos." "What team DO you root for?" The boy >>>> replies, "I'm a Red Wings fan". >>>> The reporter starts a new sheet in his notebook: "Little Bastard From >>>> Detroit Kills Beloved Family Pet" ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: obc condition '56 Mantle Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:19:52 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1829592768 This one could potentially be a good pickup for those of you working on the'56 set, but it is a 10 day auction, so that is probably plenty of time for the bidding to get out of hand, as we have seen w/ other Mantle's lately. Thought I would pass it on, though. John C. Collins ================= Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:33:29 -0400 To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Got a waiver wire envelope from Linda Fitak, which is always a fun adventure. From the old stamps to the Easter Seals on the back, it is fun. Linda sends a 1956 Rance Pless, a 58 Frank Baumann, a low number 1959 checklist and Hal Woodeshick from the same year. Plus, a 1970 Sam McDowell Kellogg's card. Not to mention the interesting assortment of Dodger specialty and promotional cards. Thanks Linda, it is awesome! ================= Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:21:05 EDT Subject: partial 1922 E120 set on ebay To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have seen these cards occasionally at baseball card shows and on ebay- i don't have a single one of them but i know some traders in the group may be trying to put together a set- this is the biggest lot of these i have seen on ebay or any where else- 180 of the 240 cards-also the ebay seller has a listing of each and every card with condition which is nice- i just wanted to alert the group of this unusually large offering of these cards- Also how cheap have traders found beaters of these cards for at shows in the mid west and east?-- i haven't seen even poor to fair condition ones for less than $20 each at shows in the los angeles area-that is why i don't have any- they are expensive and these cards must be rare- i don't think i have seen any dealer here with more than 2 or 3 of these cards in his inventory- Linda ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:46:08 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com In a message dated 5/14/2002 2:30:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, t206guy@aol.com writes: > Having said that, I would like to point out that Canseco DOES deserve at > least a mention in the list of great achievments for that 5th deck home run > he hit at Skydome. I have watched that thing many times. There may have > been longer homers hit and there may have been people with more power.. but > WOW. That is my 2 cents both for and against Canseco. In one of the post-season playoffs in the late 1980's even-numbered years (1988 or 1990), when Oakland routinely swept Boston out of the running, Canseco hit a grand slam home run to one of the deepest parts of Fenway Park (yes, Fenway Park has deep parts). The home run hit a heavily-protected centerfield camera and put a HUGE dent in it. I don't know much about the aerodynamics or physics of a well-hit baseball but he had to have almost superhuman strength to inflict that much damage into a piece of equipment designed to withstand damage. "And I can still hear his laughter, I can still hear his song The man's too big - the man's too strong." (Mark Knopfler, Dire Straits) Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Webmaster, OBC (Old Baseball Cards) http://www.oldbaseball.com "A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz. I love baseball; it's my game." (Humphrey Bogart) ================= To: WMDpks@aol.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Of Canseco and Cooperstown Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:16:49 -0700 From: "jcollins12" All of this Canseco talk reminds me of when I first started collecting cards in the late 80's and how Canseco crazy everybody was. I remember one of my friends' mom bought him the '86 Donruss Canseco for about $150, as an "investment." I bought the same card off ebay last year for about 10 dollars, just to have it because it brings back memories of when I first started collecting. I wonder if my friend still has his $150 version. Canseco is just another classic example of a very good ballplayer who was talked up too much when he came up. Everybody thought he was going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and he wasn't that, but he was still a good ballplayer. He was probably considered better than McGwire when he won the MVP in 1988. But now it is McGwire who will be a first ballot HOFer in all likelyhood, and Canseco who will look in from the outside. Funny how things change. >--- Original Message --- >From: WMDpks@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 5/17/02 3:46:08 AM In a message dated 5/14/2002 2:30:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >t206guy@aol.com writes: >> Having said that, I would like to point out that Canseco DOES deserve at >> least a mention in the list of great achievments for that 5th deck home run >> he hit at Skydome. I have watched that thing many times. There may have >> been longer homers hit and there may have been people with more power.. but >> WOW. That is my 2 cents both for and against Canseco. >In one of the post-season playoffs in the late 1980's even-numbered >(1988 or 1990), when Oakland routinely swept Boston out of the >Canseco hit a grand slam home run to one of the deepest parts of Fenway Park >(yes, Fenway Park has deep parts). The home run hit a heavily-protected >centerfield camera and put a HUGE dent in it. I don't know much about the >aerodynamics or physics of a well-hit baseball but he had to have almost >superhuman strength to inflict that much damage into a piece of equipment >designed to withstand damage. >"And I can still hear his laughter, I can still hear his song >The man's too big - the man's too strong." (Mark Knopfler, Dire >Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com >Webmaster, OBC (Old Baseball Cards) http://www.oldbaseball.com >"A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz. >I love baseball; it's my game." (Humphrey Bogart) ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:32:45 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Favorite names? From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, To follow up on Lorin's question about favorite names of baseball players -- here are some of mine: Scipio Spinks John Boccabella Stubby Clapp Don Le John (terrible pose in that 1966 set, but typical for the era of Topps cards) Don Mossi (need we say more) Just a few. Gotta do some thinking, I am sure more will come along. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [VCT] friday finale Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:25:16 -0700 From: "jcollins12" (Serious Bosox fans correct me if I'm wrong on this): Harry Agganis, from what I remember was a star prospect infielder for the Sox back in '55. He had been a great all-around athlete at Notre Dame or something, and chose baseball. Sometime in the middle of the season he collapsed and had to be taked to the hospital, where he died of some kind of heart related condition, if I remember correctly. It was some kind of rare disease. But supposedly, if he had lived, he was supposed to have had the poetntial to be one of the all-time greats. Kind of like Herb Score if he hadn't been drilled in the eye by a line drive, except Agganis died. At any rate, that accounts for at least some of the card's value. For more information, I know that the card and Harry are both profiled in "The Book," which if you don't have, I would highly recommend picking up if you can fin it. It is easily the best baseball / baseball card combination book ever written. >--- Original Message --- >From: smartalecx@aol.com >To: Smartalecx@aol.com >Date: 5/17/02 7:28:37 AM >MARK MANARY sends a 55 RC of Harry Agganis, who i never heard of, but must be >something with a high book value card! tnx doc. >PETER MEAD delivers a half dozen 60s including hammerin' hank (bauer). tnx >have a great weekend! gm >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >-- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com >-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know >-- E-mail the entire group at VCT@yahoogroups.com >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: T206 lot (not for vegetarians) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:43:04 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" "This is part a large collection of tobacco cards that we purchased from a 96-year old gentleman who was also a hunter. He had a deer taxidermed and then glued all of his cards to the deer. When the cards were removed, the deer hide stuck to the back of the cards and thus every card shows back damage and some deer hide. " I kid you not: check out this T206 Tipton lot-- may actually be of interest to some of you: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1829841248 ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: [VCT] friday finale Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:01:06 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" It was leukemia, wasn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "jcollins12" To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: [VCT] friday finale > Gary, > (Serious Bosox fans correct me if I'm wrong on this): > Harry Agganis, from what I remember was a star prospect infielder > for the Sox back in '55. He had been a great all-around athlete > at Notre Dame or something, and chose baseball. Sometime in > the middle of the season he collapsed and had to be taked to > the hospital, where he died of some kind of heart related condition, > if I remember correctly. It was some kind of rare disease. > But supposedly, if he had lived, he was supposed to have had > the poetntial to be one of the all-time greats. Kind of like > Herb Score if he hadn't been drilled in the eye by a line drive, > except Agganis died. > At any rate, that accounts for at least some of the card's value. > For more information, I know that the card and Harry are both > profiled in "The Book," which if you don't have, I would highly > recommend picking up if you can fin it. It is easily the best > baseball / baseball card combination book ever written. > John > >--- Original Message --- > >From: smartalecx@aol.com > >To: Smartalecx@aol.com > >Date: 5/17/02 7:28:37 AM > > > >MARK MANARY sends a 55 RC of Harry Agganis, who i never heard > of, but must be > >something with a high book value card! tnx doc. > > > >PETER MEAD delivers a half dozen 60s including hammerin' hank > (bauer). tnx > >peter. > > > >have a great weekend! gm > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >-- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com > > > >-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know > today! > > > >-- E-mail the entire group at VCT@yahoogroups.com > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: apspr@email.msn.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: [VCT] friday finale Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:09:44 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Apparently we were both wrong. He died of a "massive blood clot," and went to Boston University, not Notre Dame. I found this info on the web. Apparently he has a foundation set up in his name now: http://www.agganisfoundation.com/bio/bio.asp >--- Original Message --- >From: "tim newcomb" >To: , "jcollins12" >Date: 5/17/02 1:01:06 PM >It was leukemia, wasn't it? >----- Original Message ----- >From: "jcollins12" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:25 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: [VCT] friday finale >> Gary, >> (Serious Bosox fans correct me if I'm wrong on this): >> Harry Agganis, from what I remember was a star prospect infielder >> for the Sox back in '55. He had been a great all-around athlete >> at Notre Dame or something, and chose baseball. Sometime >> the middle of the season he collapsed and had to be taked >> the hospital, where he died of some kind of heart related >> if I remember correctly. It was some kind of rare disease. >> But supposedly, if he had lived, he was supposed to have >> the poetntial to be one of the all-time greats. Kind of like >> Herb Score if he hadn't been drilled in the eye by a line >> except Agganis died. >> At any rate, that accounts for at least some of the card's >> For more information, I know that the card and Harry are >> profiled in "The Book," which if you don't have, I would highly >> recommend picking up if you can fin it. It is easily the >> baseball / baseball card combination book ever written. >> John >> >--- Original Message --- >> >From: smartalecx@aol.com >> >To: Smartalecx@aol.com >> >Date: 5/17/02 7:28:37 AM >> > >> >MARK MANARY sends a 55 RC of Harry Agganis, who i never heard >> of, but must be >> >something with a high book value card! tnx doc. >> > >> >PETER MEAD delivers a half dozen 60s including hammerin' >> (bauer). tnx >> >peter. >> > >> >have a great weekend! gm >> > >> > >> >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > >> > >> > >> >-- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com >> > >> >-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know >> today! >> > >> >-- E-mail the entire group at VCT@yahoogroups.com >> > >> > >> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: LUURSCJG@aol.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: [VCT] friday finale Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:22:07 -0700 From: "jcollins12" I'm not sure but "the book" may not be totally accurate on that point. Does anyone know if Leukemia can cause a sudden massive blood clot? >--- Original Message --- >From: LUURSCJG@aol.com >To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com >Date: 5/17/02 11:11:47 AM It said in the Baseball Card Flipping. Trading and Bubble Gum Book that he >died of leukemia at the age of 25 ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite names? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin Coco Laboy. Jay Johnstone. And, my all-time, never to be exceeded favorite - Tex Clevenger. bdangelo@aol.com wrote: Hi gang, To follow up on Lorin's question about favorite names of baseball players -- here are some of mine: Scipio Spinks John Boccabella Stubby Clapp Don Le John (terrible pose in that 1966 set, but typical for the era of Topps cards) Don Mossi (need we say more) Just a few. Gotta do some thinking, I am sure more will come along. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:59:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Favorite names? From: "jmoleta30341" Dont know if I missed these earlier, but a few of these are worth multiple recognitions anyway! From the John Boccabella-esque family, Biff Pocoroba was one of my favorites. Also Razor Shines, Shooty Babbitt, Win Remmerswaal, Whammy Douglas (great short on him in "The Book")...Also like alliterative distinctive names, such as Nyls Nyman & Sterling Slaughter. Additionally, I love just about any of the "nicknames" on the 1939-41 Play Ball cards, such as "Indian" Bob Johnson, Bob "Suitcase" Seeds, "Ol Os" Vitt, Harry "The Horse" Danning & Luke "Hot Potato" Hamlin. Finally, from the soon-to-have-a- card era (although these days it seems like they issue pre-natal cards, but thats another story), the Giants have a pitching prospect named...Boof Bonser! --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., Jim Beauchemin wrote: > Coco Laboy. Jay Johnstone. And, my all-time, never to be exceeded favorite - Tex Clevenger. > bdangelo@a... wrote: Hi gang, > To follow up on Lorin's question about favorite names of baseball players -- here are some of mine: > Scipio Spinks > John Boccabella > Stubby Clapp > Don Le John (terrible pose in that 1966 set, but typical for the era of Topps cards) > Don Mossi (need we say more) > Just a few. Gotta do some thinking, I am sure more will come along. > Bob > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@y... > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > --------------------------------- > Do You Yahoo!? > LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 50's & 57's To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman I'VE JUST STARTED TWO NEW/OLD SETS, THE 1950 BOWMAN SET AND THE 1957 TOPPS SET. I HAVE THE FOLLOWING TO TRADE AND NEEDS LOTS FROM BOTH SETS: 1950 : 1957: 72VG,101VG,134(2)VG & VG,147VG,153G,156VG,162VG,169VG,174VG,227VG Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:10:42 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: More names From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Let's not forget George "Shotgun" Shuba and George "The Stork" Theodore. But those are nicknames. You are right Jim, about Boof Bonser, a St. Petersburg, Fla., product, whose fame (at least down here) extends beyond his name. And from this year's Topps set, we have So Taguchi -- so?? And one of my favorites for obvious reasons -- D'Angelo Jimenez. Does anyone remember Matt Batts? ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:53:44 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Names From: Originaleek@webtv.net Ok, here is my line-up of Detroit Tigers from my childhood with interesting names. 1st base - Walt Dropo 2nd base - "Hoot" Evers Shortstop - Coot Veal 3rd base - Reno Bertoia Outfield - Gus Zernial Purnell Goldy Tito Francona Catcher - Matt Batts RH Pitcher - Vito Valentinetti LH Pitcher - Don Mossi (actually he looked stranger then his name.) We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:52:32 -0400 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: feedback funny From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Was looking over my eBay feedback today and noticed one of my sellers said I was slow in making payment. I had to chuckle. Here is the scenario: the guy was moving so he was selling his cards. I won the auction on April 27. He sends me an invoice on May 8. Check goes out May 9. He says in his feedback on May 17 that he just got the check. Made me wonder if he gave me his old address and it was merely forwarded to him. We're only talking about a $1 card (with $1.50 postage LOL). Gotta love some of these folks peddling stuff in the auctions. ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 19:48:10 -0400 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vote for this year's All-Stars! From: Dan Austin You can vote online at http://vote.mlb.com Here are my choices. Some odd selections in here, but sometimes you just have to vote your gut... 1st Base - R. Palmeiro 2nd Base - A. Soriano Shortstop - A. Rodriguez 3rd Base - T. Glaus Catcher - I. Rodriguez Outfield - K. Lofton, M. Ramirez, I. Suzuki 1st Base - F. McGriff 2nd Base - R. Alomar Shortstop - R. Aurilia 3rd Base - S. Rolen Catcher - B. Santiago Outfield - L. Berkman, B. Bonds, S. Sosa OK, time to hit the polls! P.S. - You can vote more than once! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 01:03:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yahoo Mid-Season Fantasy Baseball From: "jimbo777777" Howdy folks, I've started a mid-season Yahoo fantasy baseball league. If you're interested, c'mon over to Yahoo and join up! The league name is Octopus's Garden. The league number is 220822. The password is I set a maximum of 20 teams. I don't really expect to get that many, but I do, great. I enjoy using the lesser players, perhaps even moreso than the stars. It is a private league, so we won't get any bozos, only folks that I specifically invite. ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 01:28:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: More names From: "rayluurs" Try this again, Being of Dutch ancestory i wa salways partial to Win Remmerswaal who did just that 3 times for the 1979 and 1980 Red sox It seems funny when going to broadcast school i was the only person who could pronounce a Nigerian soccer player who played for the Kicks Ace and some other Minnesotan can fill in last name since i could spell it with a 20 letter head start, and when I taught i was the only teacher that successfully pronounced "Czyczynski" correctly the first time but after 9 months i still couldnt pronounce "Sabe":-) ================= Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:33:23 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: All Star Vote From: Originaleek@webtv.net I just completed my civic duty as a baseball fan and submitted my ballot. I can't seem to bring myself to vote more then once, it feels like cheating. (It would be too cool to monitor "voter turn out" to see what percentage of OBCer's vote.) I found AL Shortstop and NL 1st base and outfield to be the toughest to select. Hard to leave future HOF candidates off. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 04:56:02 EDT Subject: Football Wantlists To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com hi all: as baseball season gets into full swing (although i think the cubs are already mathematically eliminated), i have finally finished the project of posting my 60-92 topps/philly football wantlists. i have a decent start on about 15 of those sets, and for those where i don't, starter sets would be greatly appreciated. i am sure some eBay surfing will be in order as well. i just filled a 5000 card box with football dupes, so if you're interested in helping each other out, please let me know. i also have a bunch of topps from 64-66 that i may not ever seriously collect, so those may be available as well. i know that elusive "funny ring checklist" is sitting around baseball cards remain my first love, but this should pick up some of the slack as my baseball lists seem to have gotten somewhat harder, although still pretty easy, to hit. thanks for reading, have a great weekend! gary mandell ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: More Names Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 07:09:24 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Had to chime in with a few more, I just stuck to the 50s: Sibby Sisti (bit part in "The Natural") Wayne Terwilliger Rip Ripulski Dusty Rhodes Early Wynn Dizzy Trout (I caddied for him, big hands) Cot Deal and many others named Spook, Smokey, Hoot, Peanuts and the like ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:42:56 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite names? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Favorite names?? What do you think- Mickey Mantle- !!Mantle's blast in the 50's that hit above the 3rd deck in Yankee Stadium and missed going out by 6 inches and rebounded onto the field was calculated by a mathmatician had it not been stopped by the top facade of Yankee Stadium would have cleared the elevated subway across the street and traveled over 700 feet on the fly- Yes 700 feet!!!! That home run makes Canseco's Skydome wimper look like a infield pop fly!- Linda ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:47:18 EDT Subject: Unusual SCD Ad To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com There's an ad on page 53 of the May 24th issue of Sports Collectors Digest offering an Absolute Auction of "Large Inventory of Seized Sports Collectibles and Memorabilia" by Hudson and Marshall Auctioneers. What caught my eye is the in the upper left hand corner, the announcement that this auction is "Court Ordered" by order of the Superior Court of Upton County, File Number 10-V-215; Judge Paschal English. According to the ad, "The items were purchased by the former City Clerk of Thomaston, Georgia using stolen city funds, seized and ordered sold by the court." Here's the interesting part: tomorrow night on CBS, we find out whether Judge Paschal English takes home $1 million dollars as a finalist in "Survivor 4". As Paul Harvey might say, "And now you know... the REST of the story." Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Grand Delta, Phi Kappa Sigma International Fraternity "To do what ought to be done, but would not be done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty." (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 15:59:09 EDT Subject: Close to being first 40-40 player To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Somebody mentioned Jose Canseco was the first 40 home runs 40 stolen bases player- Willie Mays got close to it in 1956 with 38 home runs and 40 stolen bases- Do any other traders know of anyone else who got close like Mays? i just wonder who else got close to 40-40 in a season. Linda ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:26:28 EDT Subject: 3 Vintage availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- these are available including a special item with the 52 topps card pertaining to that player- 39 Play Ball- # 86- Dolph Camilli-old Brooklyn Dodger card- 1953 Bowman B & W # 64- Andy Hansen- multiple pin holes- 1952 Topps # 212- Ned Garver- included with the card is a special item pertaining to this player- i would like to give this card to a St. Louis Browns Fan or somebody familiar with Garver because of the special item i am including with the card- ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:09:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1920s Caramel Cards From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! I was in a local card store today (called Baseball Cards, Etc.). The teenager who works there showed me some cards that the owner had picked up and plans to put on ebay. There were about 40 Caramel cards from the 1920s--sorry, I don't know the year. The cards included Babe Ruth (creased), Ty Cobb (with the words "Georgia Peach" written in ink on the back), Walter Johnson, and about 40 others. If anyone collects this set, watch ebay in the next few weeks. You could also contact the store directly. The owner's name is Paul Gruber; his email (and ebay username) is bbcetc@execpc.com Good luck. Mike W. ================= To: Subject: testing Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 19:16:24 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" hoping that I can still post here...no email for almost 3 days now.. Brian L ================= Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:46:05 EDT Subject: Joe Black Obit To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was saddened to read in the Los Angeles Times newspaper that Brooklyn Dodger picher Joe Black died Friday-In his rookie year in 1952 for the Dodgers he won 15 games and beat the Yankees in the opener of the '52 World Series 4-2 pitching a 6 hitter- i especially recognize the name Joe Black from my 52 Topps set- i bought his rookie card (52 topps # 321) at the 2000 National in Anaheim , California- Linda ================= Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 11:38:23 EDT Subject: Animal nicknames -- obviously too much time on my hands To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com I've been reading the various favorite names and found them quite interesting. As I was reading I got to thinking about animal nicknames for old major leaguers. There was Harry (the cat) Brecheen, Mike (bear) Garcia, Harvey (kitten) Haddix, Bill (moose) Skowron, and Joe (froggie) DeMaestri, just to name a few. Anyone care to chime in? ================= Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:36:46 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Animal nicknames -- obviously too much time on my hands To: Jocraig@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I bet nobody else would come up with Larvell "Sugarbear" Blanks...... ================= Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:39:16 EDT Subject: Availables To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: friar4@aol.com May 19, 2002 The following are available. Guys I owe come first, but don't be shy; I will try to spread them around. It may be a couple of weeks before I can get them out. Let me know if you are interested: 1933 Goudey #17f 1940 Playball #24g 1941 Playball #12g 1953 #'s Bowman Color #20f 1954 #'s Topps # 78g (writing on front) 113g (writing on front) 178f Bowman # 3g 20f 1955 #'s Topps#'s 49vg 125f (trimmed) Bowman # 1956 #'s 27p(trimmed) 36p(trimmed) 82p(trimmed) 148p(trimmed) 178vg-ex 191p(trimmed) 197p(trimmed) 220p(trimmed) 1957 # 's 213vg 1958 #'s 25g 163vg-ex 167vg 332g 416vg 456g-vg 1960 #'s 199vg 306g-vg 1961 #'s 5vg 255g 1962 #'s 112vg 121g 134g 134vg 165f 204vg 228g 353f(miscut) 1963 # 's 14vg 36f 150vg 150g 152vg 187g 211f 227g 237vg 1964 #'s 142vg 158g 241vg 307g 354vg 497g 1965 #'s 66g 280g 342g 368vg Topps Embossed 45g 52g 67g 1966 #'s 109g 140g 154vg 154g 181f 279g(marked checklist) 1967 # 's 22ex 38ex 117vg-ex 118vg 125vg 170f-g 173g 189vg 334g (Killebrew / Allison) 371g 382g 439vg-ex 523g Dexter Press 250 (Santo) 293 (Pepitone) 1968 #'s 34vg 42vg 42g 43g 44vg-ex 56vg 67vg (pencil marked checklist) 67vg (pencil marked checklist) 82vg 89vg 97vg 112vg 118g 135vg 163vg 192 (Yastrzemski pencil marked checklist) 197vg 214vg 215g 222g 277f (writing on back) 293f (writing on back) 299f (writing on back) 304f (writing on back) 317f (writing on back) 340f (writing on back) 346g 349g 352g 353vg 430g (writing on back) 432g 432g 436g 508f 532ex 550g(C. Boyer) 553g-vg 597vg 598vg 1968 Game Cards #'s 9ex 10g 11vg 11f 12ex 12g 12p(badly trimmed) 14p 15vg 18g 18f 24g 24f 26ex 33f 1969 #'s 17ex 19g 24g(Alston) 26ex 53g 58vg 91ex 128vg 130g(Yaz) 227vg 284vg 291vg 332g 417vg 437ex 489vg-ex 545f Topps Deckle Edge #20vg 1970 #'s 53vg 81g 81g 89vg 98vg 151vg 159g 161g 173g 173g 178vg 178g 188f 247f 366g 432f(pencil marked checklist) 564g 1971 #'s 6g 24g 25vg 41g 46vg 87vg 92g 92g 106vg-ex 126vg 150vg 153g 174vg 174vg 211g 252f 274g 1972 #'s 24f 142vg 193vg 261vg 506vg 1973 #'s 571f 1974 #'s 42Tvg 348T ex 544T ex 649T ex 1975 #'s 38g 86vg 159vg 263g 263vg 1976 #'s 36vg 98g 178vg-ex 1977 #'s 393vg 477f 590g 1978 # 122vg 1979 #'s 61vg-ex 146vg 168vg-ex 168vg 253vg 511g 705g 1981 Fleer #638vg (Yaz) 1982 Fleer #155ex(Yount) ================= To: Subject: FB Memorabilia anyone? Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:58:48 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" Got an ebay delivery of a couple of 1930s Exhibit cards tucked inside a 1984 Denver Broncos Media Guide (don't ask me why). Does anyone want such a thing for their very own? (that's the media guide, not the Exhibit cards). If so let me know and it shall be yours....... ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 21:07:52 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Hockey (yes Hockey!) 1968-69 75 40 52 55 84 102 104 1970-71 81 93 103 1972-73 84 94 103 149 1973-74 36 177 1969,70,71 have to many to list, send me your wantlist if you need any. 1972 51 113 171 250 and of course baseball 1935 Goudey #9C 1960 Topps 114 122 155 ================= Subject: ATTN: New Englanders Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 22:46:14 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Some people I spoke with earlier (I'm looking at yoooooou, Mr. Hatch) expressed interest in seeing a Pawtucket Red Sox game, and I think I've found the perfect candidate. On Sunday, June 23, the PawSox will play Charlotte (White Sox affiliate) at 1:05 in the PM. But >before< the game (from 11:00-12:15), they'll be playing an "old school" game of baseball, using the 1884 rules. The mind boggles! According to the web site, the $8 box seats are sold out, but there should be $5 GA and $4 seats available (maybe we can hit up a box seat scalper for $10 a ticket! :). I think it'll be a hoot and I plan to be at the game regardless, but it also sounds like a unique event for OBCers and other interested parties to check out. Let me know if you're up for it and I'll put together a list. (For those new to the PawSox, Pawtucket is on the Rhode Island side of the east RI/MA border and is a 45 minute drive SW from Boston. The PawSox are the Red Sox AAA affiliate.) OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Need some addresses... Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 8:58:28 +0000 From: I find myself at work this morning with a bunch of envelopes for OBCers. My intention was to address them at coffee break, then drop them in the mail at lunchtime. Unfortunately, I find myself without an updated OBC Directory. If anyone is up and about just now (or at some point within the next 2 hours), perhaps you could forward me a copy? Thanks! Time here is 10am (that's 5am Eastern). Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Addresses received...Thanks! Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:35:39 +0000 From: Thanks to a few night birds, I've received a copy of the OBC Directory. A few packages will be winging their way Stateside today! ================= Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:00:45 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FB Memorabilia anyone? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Tim & Gang, Tim is offering up a Denver Bronco Media Guide. If anyone else collects Media Guides (BB, FB or basketball) please LMK. I have hundreds for trade. I also list some that I need, at the end of my OBC wl. I never considered myself a collector of these, but have between 500-1000 from various places. Would love to trade away a lot of these for things I care more about (Street & Smith's, Who's Who, yearbooks, etc.) Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:05:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ATTN: New Englanders To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Spike & gang, If you have never seen a "vintage' BB game, it is very entertaining. There are actually "leagues" that play old time BB around, especially in Ohio. There are 3 teams in southeast Michigan that play old-time BB. We almost arranged for an old-time BB game in Oak Park, MI for the 4th of July, but did not want to spend the $500 it would have cost to put it on. Anyone traveling in southeast Michigan that would like to see a game should contact Greenfield Village that hosts the La Dee Dahs team. They play on the weekends about 6 times during the summer. Have fun. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 15:08:51 EDT Subject: yahoo! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com to the OBC website gods: i am a member of several groups that use yahoo as their server. most of these have a way to screen out the ads so you dont need to "accept" an email. it says "non-text portion removed" at the bottom of each email. is there a way we can do the same thing so we don't get yahoo ads with each email? gm ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: card tracking software Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 14:51:30 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - I just stumbled across a link to a software program that tracks cards and provides comprehensive checklists. It's marketed by Bletsch Software. Have any of you used it? Like it? Hate it? Input would be appreciated. How about any alternative comparable software. Thanks in advance! http://www.bletsch.net/UCT/index.htm http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ================= To: Subject: Rob Gioia Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 06:57:25 -0500 From: "Randy G. Griffin" Hello All: Just received a nice group of cards from Rob yesterday. First class gentleman all the way! Have a safe Holiday Weekend everyone! ================= Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:28:07 EDT Subject: web site To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com hi: i wonder if you could do me a favor? a few people have told me when they look at my web site that the numbers overlap, making it impossible to read. when i view the site, i dont see it, so i dont know how to fix it. to print out my lists, i know you have to cut and paste -- just hitting print usually will overlap. but just viewing it, i am not sure what the problem is. if you seem to have this problem when you view my site, could you please let me know. i appreciate it. gone until friday. tnx, gm Gary's 50s Wantlist ================= Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:07:41 EDT Subject: OBC Vegas '02 - The Wedding To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Greetings all, I'm getting settled in after spending a very memorable weekend in Vegas. For those of you unable to attend in person, I'll try to recap what went on as best as memory serves. This will probably end up on the lengthy side, so grab a sandwich and a comfy chair... THURSDAY: Travel Day for me. I get out of work at 8AM local time and make final preparations for my 2PM flight (make absolutely sure I've put away my box cutters, pack a few more cards, etc.) It's my first trip on a plane since Sept. 9th or 10th of last year (I got home from Disney just a day or two before last year's tragedy), so I'm not sure what to expect, especially since I'm flying out of Logan. Security is a lot tighter and I had to jump through several more hoops (and wait in quite a few lines) to get to the gate. Transfer in St. Louis and land in Vegas around 6:45PM local time and head down to baggage claim to find Al Cummings who volunteered to pick me up at the airport. After searching for nearly an hour in baggage claim and paging him, I gave up. I was going to propose a new question to replace "Where's Phil?" with "Where's Al?" as Steve Rittenberg had similar luck getting a ride from Al. We both took the $5 shuttle to the hotel (which would've taken 15 minutes). When I got to the hotel, I called Al on his cell phone and did finally reach him, but I'm not sure if he was just getting back to his room, sitting on his front porch at home, or somewhere in western Utah (only 20 minutes away). Head downstairs to check out the hotel and noticed that there's some gambling going on in several locations on the lobby floor, so I participate in a couple games to pass the time. About 11PM I head upstairs to discover that Steve had left a message just 5 minutes earlier. He is having similar problems with Al at the airport and I wonder if Al has discovered another airport in Las Vegas that only he knows about. Back down for a couple more hours of gambling. FRIDAY: I go for something to eat at the posh Italian restaurant downstairs and return at 1AM to find that Steve has finally checked into the room we're sharing and is tired from his trip. I chat briefly then leave him to rest and continue looking for the slot machine that's ready to pay me thousands of dollars. I never did find it though :-( I did come across a new game at Harrah's called Boston 5 Stud. It's a cross between 3 Card Poker and Caribbean Stud that's a little difficult to explain, but rather simple once you get the hang of it. Even the dealers weren't too sure how to deal it - that's how new it was. I was at the table when a couple training classes went through (I got about 6 dealers for two hands each at one point) and I actually had to help them get through the game... "OK, this is where you pay me " Actually, I didn't have to bend the rules to make any money, as my luck was very good. I got a couple three of a kinds (30:1) and a straight flush (40:1) among my consistent winning hands. (You go one on one with a regular 5 card poker hand vs. the dealer at the end, so you can win with just a high card). I started out with under $100 in chips and when I cashed out at about 11AM, I had roughly $1700. The slot machines had taken a heavy toll on my pocket, so that was not all profit. (I think I was up $800 or so at the time.) It's been almost 35 hours without sleep at this point, so I squeeze in a couple hours before Big Al picks us up for Ribfest. Steve and I call Al on his cell to tell him to meet us in our room so we don't run around the lobby for an hour. A few minutes later, there's a knock on the door and I open it to find not Al, but Jim Wiehe (who is also sharing the complimentary room with us). Big Al eventually proves that he is indeed in the Vegas area as he finally finds all of us in the room and we head over to Mike Hair's house. Ribfest was again a legendary card swapping and dining event. I gave up my position at the head of the rib line and opted to take the last spot instead. The ribs were especially tasty (I don't know how Mike can keep improving every year, but he manages to do it somehow), so I ended up with a decent sized pile of bones by the end of the evening. I also picked up a couple hits in the half rubber game afterwards, so I was happy. The game was called again this year due to darkness and OBC headed en masse to Railroad Pass for the annual 25=A2 craps game. I passed on playing the dice at first and spent some time at the roulette wheel instead. I broke even on that and set out again in my quest for the fortune paying slot machine. Again I was denied and ended up losing a few bucks before heading back to Harrah's with Mac. We had an early tee time (7AM) Saturday and the annual excuse breakfast was slated for 5:30 that morning, so I decided it just wasn't worth getting a couple hours rest. I tried out my luck at Boston 5 Stud again. SATURDAY: Left the tables and got together with Steve and Jim in the room. We made it outside to meet up with Trips and Rex, then headed to Tee Shots. None of my excuses (sleep deprivation affecting my game, loss of my golf glove, pressure of being on the championship defending team) were really taken too well. Trips once again tried unsuccessfully to get strokes taken off his score but learned that he wasn't getting [squat]. We headed to the course for some needed practice. I was encouraged by my ineptness on the driving range, since I had an awful time there last year and hit the ball pretty well in the actual tournament. This year was different however, as I never did find my game (as if I ever had one) and our team finished a distant second. We did manage to keep ourselves out of the basement by one stroke, since Rick Ellison Sr.'s team had just too much of a burden to overcome with him on the team and he continued his streak of finishing last. After imploding on the golf course, I had my traditional foofoo drink and got ready for the trip to the card shop. I didn't have too much success there, only finding a couple UV cards I needed. I did win a copy of the 20th Century Baseball Chronicles autographed by Bob Feller in a drawing by the shop owner, so my luck continued. We took a break from searching boxes to eat at Hooters. Our original plans to get a pizza at the Barking Frog were changed when it was discovered that they didn't have enough water imported from Boston to make our pizzas in any reasonable time frame... or something like that. We all headed back to our respective hotel rooms and would reconvene at the ball game. I thought the game was kinda slow paced... at least the parts of it that I saw. By the time the 6th or 7th inning rolled around, The Sandman had a choke hold on me and I was beginning to nod off. It had been another 30 hours or so since I last saw my pillow at the hotel, but the outstanding fireworks display after the game kept me awake for a little while longer. I crashed for a few hours and got up at about 4AM to play some more blackjack. SUNDAY: At about 11AM I returned to the hotel to find it deserted. I was now in a frantic state, since I had to check out at noon along with my two roommates. I thought they may have already left for the noon wedding ceremony without me and forgotten about the check out time - I went online looking for cell phone numbers in a desperate attempt to get in touch with someone... In my reckless organization, I wasn't even sure where the ceremony was taking place. Steve and Jim returned from breakfast just in time to check out and I met up with David K. for the trip around the corner to the Flamingo Wedding Chapel. The ceremony was beautiful and Rick didn't chicken out I was surprised by Joel Glickman's appearance in the wedding party after he had said he would be unable to attend Vegas this year. The reception afterwards in the Frontier Hotel suite was a very emotional feast. I had my fill of various hors d'oevres and wedding cake. It was great chatting with everyone. It was one of those good times you wish wouldn't end. Alas, my time off from work was running out and I said good-bye to the new couple. I joined the rest of the OBC gang for the breakup dinner at Sam's Town... actually, I was late getting to the actual dinner, but I wasn't too hungry anyway and only ended up having a (rather large) salad. I also wanted to try one more search for that loose slot machine. Again my search came up empty. My flight time home was scheduled for 1:30AM, so David offered to take me to the airport. The slot machines had done quite a bit of damage, so I ended up leaving Vegas much poorer monetarily, but much richer in spirit. I am already counting the days until V03. Oh yeah, I also managed to catch up on some sleep I missed over the weekend on the plane ride home. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: 1980-81 basketball help Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:52:01 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - if anyone out there has access to either a card search program or maybe has this set in binders, I'd like to know the various Portland Trailblazers that are in it. Thanks in advance. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:53:13 EDT Subject: Vegas Thanks To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Every year I go to Vegas...every year I leave thinking, wow!! Thanks to everyone who handed me cards (not sure of who but I think Ken gave Michael a stack of '71s and me a '64 Koufax, Some oddball Phillies from Steve, someone handed me some '64s incl. a Niekro rc. some older bowman from Al, and a wonderful oddball Whoozit set from Jim W.). Thanks to Rick and Margeret for a wonderful wedding and reception experience. It was one of the highlights of my trip. Thanks to Mike and Cindy for their bbq hospitality and the game. The Ribs were great and the chicken salad was wonderful. Big thanks to the wives this year...Lucy, Dottie, Angie, Margaret (now a wife :), both Denises (well, one is not a wife yet). They were wonderful! Had a blast talking with them and hanging out with them...stories and jokes, etc. it was great (I still think OBCwives.com is on the horizon). I practically walked right past Joel Glickman too at the wedding, just wish we had more time to catch up... I will try to make Chicago for the national... OBC is more to me than cards, it is friends and family, memories and feelings...thanks so much to everyone.... ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 01:59:30 EDT Subject: 1964 Topps OBC lot To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i always check the bulk lots of lower grade vintage cards on ebay-i bid on quite a few of them but amost never win any because i bid in the range of 25 to 50 cents a card- This is the largest OBC type lot of 64 topps i have seen on ebay- 1964 Topps Starter Set (419) Diff Cards! --Linda ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:50:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yahoo Mid-Season From: "jimbo777777" Howdy folks, We have nine managers so far, would love to get at least three more for an even dozen. If you're on the fence, c'mon over! It should be fun. I've tried all of the free fantasy games, and several of the pay ones. Yahoo is, in my opinion, the most fun and user-friendly of them all. (Other than the old-timer leagues, of course.) The particulars for joining are in post #3192, or email me and I'll send you a private invitation. The draft is Sunday, but you can easily set pre-rankings if you can't make it. ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:11:50 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Jeff Sackmann From: Lynn Miller If you're reading this, been trying to send you email but getting bounced back. Your mailbox is over quota. I've sent an email to you thru eBay and your psa1 ID. Anyone else have an alternate for Jeff? I need to know his current address :>) He is close to being finished with school yet at NYU and on his way to Madison WI to the Univ of Wisconsin for his graduate program. But not sure if he's left NYC yet. Thanks, Lynn ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:29:07 EDT Subject: anybody in Atlanta next Tuesday? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'm going to be in Atlanta next Tuesday night, staying at the Marriott Marquis. Anyone want to get together? ================= To: Subject: VEGAS 02 Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:44:38 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" Another Vegas has come and gone. It seems like each year it gets a little better. Will try and give a recap of the weekends events. First off, thanks to those who hit or made an attempt to hit my list. Filled a few holes in a tough list. Arrived Thursday at 1:00 PM. Ran into the same bad luck street that bit Ken. Down a small bundle before dinner. Met up with Geno after dinner and hunted down Rick at the Frontier. Also lost more $$$. Got back to the hotel and hit the poker room, a place where I'm comfortable. Got a hundred back that night. A few hours sleep and back to the casino floor. Spent about anhour at the blackjack table, talking to Tom (dealer) who been there for the last five that I've been going. Made a few $$$ (damm few). Made some more in the poker room and headed off to Mikes. The Rib fest, AKA "the official opening ceremonies" had 15 OBCers present. 2nd largest gathering of obcers in one place at one time. 97 Ft Wash had 18 at one time. Mikes ribs are by far the best. Much credit needs to be giving to Mike and Cindy for putting up with us, year after year. Meet three new faces at the rib fest. Mac Wubben, Doug Smith, and Rex Stahlman were added to my list of OBCers meet. That brings the list to 46. While at first it appeared there would be a challenge for a new rib eating king, that wentby the wayside real quick as Ken made his 2nd and 3rd trips back to the rib pile. St. Al declared it a no contest as Ken headed out to the half rubber game in the street with a plate of food. Rick's brother was in town and gave a clinic on how to pitch the half rubber. The card swapping seemed to be a little light this year. I would guess that this had to do with the high number of members who were meeting new faces for the first time. Conversation over took card swapping. It's like finding a family member that you have not seen in years. Mike tried to make the golf match as fair as possible by drawing for teams.Our team got the short end of the stick (again). We had 1 person with a bad back, me. One person on medication with doctors instructions to do only normal activities (Doug Smith). One person who had NEVER played a game ofgolf in his life (Steve Rittenburg), and one of Mikes regular playing partners who is battling a major illness (Carl). Oh well, we will just have to deal with that on Sat. It's time to go to Railroad Pass and shoot some craps. That worked out as well as the rest of the table games had the last two days. Another donation. 1AM and time to get 3 hours of sleep before getting up for the excuse breakfast for the golf game. One had to be proud of our ailing group. Very few excuses. This could be because Rick rambled for 10 minutes only to find out "You don't get s**t for strokes. The Golf match was a scramble. Everybody hits there drive off the tee. From there you go to the best placed tee shot and everybody plays there own ball from there on out. The best two scores are counted on each hole. As a team we played well, with everybody getting in on the act on the drives. When all looked pretty bleak on the 12th hole, Steve stepped up and hit one onto the green. 18 holes later, the cripples crawl back to the club house 9 over par. The commissioner later in the day made a ruling that allows the wining teamto defend the following year. Rick continued his streak of finishing last. Rumor has it that he paid (forced) Richard his son who was on Mikes team to play bad in hopes of moving his team up in the rankings. The Comis is investigating and will have a report at a latter date. Sat. afternoon saw the official trip to the card shop, and the official closing ceremonies at Hooters, on a non official closing date, at an official time. ??????? beats the hell out of me, ask the comish. Sat. night saw my usually 10 hours at the poker table. Left at 4 AM with a pile of chips. Sunday saw the first official OBC Vegas wedding. As Rick and Margaret tiedthe knot. A very nice ceremony, with a great reception. A trip to Sams Town for the official, "unofficial closing ceremonies",????? (ask the comish)saw about 15 people enjoy a nice dinner. Back onto a plane Monday morning for a 3:30PM landing in Chicago. It was good to see all of the Vegas regulars. It was real nice to get to meet 3 more members. Glad Joel made it out for the wedding. THE QUOTE OF THE WEEKEND, FROM GENO "Not only do I not wear the pants in our family, I don't even know where she keeps them" Ken said it best " I'll try to put the thanks from Vegas into words. First off, I'd like to thank Mike Hair for his organization of the events every year. Mike does everything from purchasing the baseball game tickets, coordinating the golf outing, preparing countless pounds of ribs, to planning the traditional (and non-traditional) stops on our weekend tour. Mike makes everything run smoothly and takes the worries out of the weekend for all" Thanks Mike and Cindy David and Denise. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vegas Report Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:48:53 -0700 From: "Al Cummings" If you needed a sandwich for Ken’s report, you will need a sleeping bag for this one. I will usually wait a couple days to send a trip report. Easier to deny everything that way. We had a great time even though it was way too busy to be called a vacation. Things started out ok with a nice smooth flight and we got through the airport and got a rental car without any problems. I had promised to pick up Ken and Steve at the airport but they were coming in later Thursday night. We dropped off the girls and went back to find Ken. Dottie went into the airport and waited in the baggage claim area for an hour. No sign of Ken so we went back to our hotel. Did not even get in the door before he calls and tells us he made in and caught a shuttle after looking for us for an hour. Things happen, so we go back to the airport hoping to have better luck finding Steve. Dottie has never met Steve and I have only met him once so I told her what I remembered and she headed off. An hour later I get a call from Rick Ellison, Dottie found their group but no sign of Steve. Rick knows what Steve looks like and never did find them. Steve called our room about 2 hours later and said he was still waiting but would take a shuttle. He called my cell about 11:30 and said he got to the hotel and would see us Friday. That was the worst part of the trip and will be fixed next time, if I can find anyone willing to take the chance. We hung out Friday with a little gambling and shuffling between hotels before Ribfest '02. Got to Harrah's right on time and set Dottie off to find Steve and Ken. She came back told me they were in the room and to park the car and come in. I park and went to the room and met Steve, Ken and Jim. Dottie was not there so we left. Went back to Valet parking and found her and went to the car. Headed to Mike's with a full car. After a short beer stop we headed to Casa Hair. I had been there several times but have only driven there 3 times. Anyhow, I drove by the turn and decided Ken knew better where to go so after a U-turn we drive by it going the other direction. We were getting closer now so the third time we made it and settled in for a great meal. Cards were flying in both directions and many new faces, both new to Vegas and new to me. Most were just like I pictured them but a couple were nowhere close. Anyway, the BBQ was great and the official (as it gets) tally showed Ken winning the rib eating for a second year in a row. Newcomer Steve was Second and Peter caught Dave at the close. Mike was seen with a heated brow most of the night serving up the vast quantities of food. The meal ended with the picking of teams for the morning golf match and headed out to the half rubber game. His older and wiser brother reminded Rick of some of the rules he had forgotten to mention before. The game was called due to darkness, and the city of Henderson was put on notice to improve the lighting of Fuente Field or we would have to find a new location for the game next year. The gang now headed to Railroad Pass Casino for the Annual “We Come In Peace” Crap Shoot and Banking session. This year's result found most people making a deposit to hold for next year, as the table was very cold for all comers. With the early wake up call for Golf, most of us called it a night around midnight and headed back to town. I did not play golf but the usual reports of fair play and sportsmanship were reported at the Lunch at Holy Cow, now moved to Barking Frog that transferred to Hooters. We finally got there (I wasn't driving) and settled in for Wings and Shrimp. Not sure how I got the menu that read differently then the others but everything was great. Todd's Wife took over as accountant and we figured the bill and headed to the card store. More cards flying and more things to look at and stories to hear. Rick, the owner, pumped up the crowd by giving away a couple autographed books. I was lucky enough to grab the second one, The World Series signed by Bob Feller. Then I forgot it when I left. I found cards off my list and some for other people, settled up just in time to say good-bye to the group. I headed back to pick up the family and head to the game. We got started about the right time but I missed the turn and when the signs started saying this way to Reno, I figured out to turn around. Coming back we found the field by the long lines into the parking area. We got parked and made to the game just in time to see the 3rd player for the Beavers score the first run. Settled in for a long pitchers battle as each team only scored one run and saw the 51's lose 2-1. The fireworks were good, not sure if they were as good as two years ago but still a nice end to the evening. Took the long walk back to the car, sat there waiting for traffic to clear. Left the park and turned the wrong way. I drove down the street a ways and found Las Vegas Blvd. Alright, this will take us right back to the hotel. It would have if I were going southbound but I did find out where Nellis Air Force Base is. Using my now famous vulture method I circled the streets until we found one I knew which direction to go and found the back door to the hotel. Dropped off the kids and went to gamble, and about 2:30 hit the sack. Sunday morning we checked out of one hotel and moved to the other after having a Champagne buffet at the Hilton. Excellent food and a fair price. We packed up the girls and headed for the Wedding. We got there on time with no problems and decided to lose a little money while we waited. Not sure I like the Flamingo as well as the Hilton even though they are the same chain. The wedding was very nice, I could not talk Margaret out of her decision to ruin the great deal she had going and was hushed from heckling the ceremony. They all looked super, even Rick looked good down to his foo-foo hairstyle. They took about 20,000 pictures and we finally got to leave for a cool drink. We hit the gift store, and I handed the clerk an empty Pepsi bottle that I polished off while waiting for the girls to shop. The kids decided against going to the Reception so across town again to drop them off and return to the Frontier and the party. Everyone was there, more then were there for the BBQ, and Joel flew in just for Sunday, as did George "Big Dawg" Pizzo long time OBCer and best friend of Rick's. Much food and spirits were enjoyed, and the cake was very good, even the part where it went up Rick's nose. More photos were taken, and we are trying to find room on a web site to post a small part of all of them. We called it a day with one last (unofficial) event to go. When Vegas '96 started we opened the event at Sam's Town Sports Bar. Rumor has it they closed the bar because of us but the place is gone and lately we have been going to the Italian restaurant there. This year, it has changed hands and the service was a little spotty. My food was very good and most people agreed. Just a little less than perfect service wise. Everyone there also got to take home coffee from Mr. Barista; Mike Diamonte. Everyone was pleased especially Peter who hit the jackpot with the remaining 5 pound bag. He will send a report soon as he grinds a few batches and comes down from the ceiling. All in all a fun yet busy trip, I am already making plans to go next year. I agree with Peter that we all need to stay in one place to save time and have more fun. We only have to find a place that has not heard about the first 7 times. Big Al in Seattle Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= To: Subject: Great reports, etc. Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:25:33 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Keep those reports coming guys, they are great. Ken and Al could be a little more wordy though.. On a side note, I'd like to report that the War on Terrorism has just been expanded....Savary Style. The new kids won't have any idea what I'm talking about...the short version is that our holiday "paradise" invariably results in disaster, and has for several years. Every trip. Change in tactics. Tomorrow, I'm turning up the heat on that stinkin' island. Going over with my brother-in-law, taking a 26" chain saw and a Bobcat, and we are gonna reek havoc on the property. Trees are going to be executed and bucked up, the scrub and salal are as good as terminated, and there's going to be a fire which will rival the one in the village of Vancouver in 1888 that burned the budding townsite to ashes. HAH! "GOIN' IN!!!!" P.S. If I don't make it back, I'll have my bride divvy up my cards to the ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:46:25 EDT Subject: Another V02 Report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JCERU8600@aol.com From: topgolf@aol.com Content-Language: en Random thoughts and observations from V02 THE PARTICIPANTS Al Cummings: The (spiritual) leader Rick Ellison: A man with half a ball and a long stick Mike Hair: Smokin' George Hay: The biker Peter Iversen: The strawberry man Todd Knowles: Half rubber not his game David Kolenda: A new string is started Joshua Levine: There's not a card that he doesn't know Ken Morganti: Sleepless in Las Vegas Steve Rittenberg: Rookie without the shoes Doug Smith He got (golf) game Rex Stallman: Speed racer Geno Wagner: But if anyone asks, he wasn't here Mac Wubben: Passing through Jim Wihle, or is it Whiley, er, Wiehe. A man for spellcheck A very special guest appearance by Joel Glickman, Phil as the Invisible Man=E2=A6 And Jerry Mathers as the Beaver. SO MANY ROOKIES AND ONLY ONE PAIR OF SHOES Most OBCers at eVent: 16 Most at ribfest: 31 Most rookies: 6 Most at ballgame: 25 Golf ball hit furthest out of bounds: Rex Stallman, 15th hole, still moving Golf ball hit closest to pin: Rex Stallman 16th hole, 6 inches GOLF TOURNEY RESULTS 1st Place: Carl Darnell Dave Kolenda Doug Smith Steve Rittenberg 2nd Place Mike Hair Rex Stallman Richard Ellison, Jr. Ken Morganti 3rd place Jon McBride George Hay Rick Ellison, Sr. Jim Wiehe The first wedding Dave Kolenda's golf winning streak goes to 2 Mike Hair's ends at 6 Both Ken and Josh together in one place without hats! There was 100% attendance at a 5:30 am breakfast. Of course, I was probably the only one who had to get out of bed to attend. Will the wedding become a tradition at Vegas eVents? If so, we may need a new page on the website where single guys can post their wantlists. Rounded corners would be OK, but condition would probably be upgraded from VG. We need to work on development of the "RibCam" Forget Ebay, we can start OBCBay. A few of the items up for bid (sorted from least to most expensive) A round of golf with Rick Sr. Golf lessons with Rick Jr. Ken Morganti rib bones Directions to any place in Vegas from Margaret Kramer-Ellison A pair of rookie shoes An autographed baseball from V97. Front row seats for the half rubber game. The other half of the rubber. Cindy's Chinese chicken salad An "error" autographed ball from V97 Al's roadmap. Lunch with Phil A photo of Ken and Josh without hats. ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:58:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Great reports, etc. From: "rayluurs" The forest service just gave Minnesota warning for potential fire hazards up north........if i go up this weekend i am telling them it you just incase :-) And message to bride........after reading past years reports on this island paradise.........having buy stamps an denvelopes before he Good Luck ================= Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:02:48 EDT Subject: May OBCAC Report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Although there was a quorum of AC members at V02, there were no agenda items for May. Mike Hair Voting Members: Bob D'Angleo David Kolenda Howard Morgan Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Geno Wagner Rest Well, ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:37:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Post/Jello 1961-2-3 Baseball From: "jimbo777777" Dumb Question: How do you tell the difference between a Post and a Jello card? ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 04:24:30 EDT Subject: This guy is applying for OBC membership To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com > Next time you have a bad day at work...think of this guy. Rob is a > commercial > saturation diver for Global Divers in Louisiana. He performs underwater > repair on offshore drilling rigs. Below is a letter he sent to his > sister. > She then sent it to 103.2 on your FM dial in Ft. Wayne, IN, which was > sponsoring a "worst job experience" contest. Needless to say, she won. > This > is was what she turned into the contest... > "Hi Sue, > Just another note from the bottom-dwelling brother. Last week I had bad > day > at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately at work, so I > thought I > would share my unique situation/dilemma with you to make you realize > it's not > so bad after all. Before I can tell you what happened to me, I must bore > you > with a few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at the > bottom of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wetsuit. This > time of > year the water is quite cold. So what we do to keep warm is this: We > have a > diesel powered industrial water heater. This $20,000 piece of equipment > sucks > the water straight out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful > temperature. > It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose, which is taped > to > the air hose. Now this sounds like a darn good plan, and I've used it > several > times with no complaints. What I do, when I get to the bottom and start > working, is take the hose and stuff it down the back of my wetsuit. This > floods my whole suit with warm relaxing water. It's like working in a > bubbling Jacuzzi. Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my > butt > started to itch. So, of course, I tried to scratch it. This only made > things > a lot worse. Within several seconds my butt started to burn, and was > getting > worse by the minute. I pulled the hose out from by back, but the damage > was > done. MY butt WAS ON FIRE!!! > In agony I realized what had happened. The hot water machine had sucked > up a > live jellyfish and pumped it into my wet suit. Now since I don't have > any > hair on my back, the jellyfish couldn't stick to it. So it was just > flopping > around. However, the crack of my butt was not as fortunate. When I > scratched > what I thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the jellyfish INTO > my > butt. I frantically radioed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the > two-way communicator. His instructions were unclear due to the fact that > he, > along with 5 other divers, were all laughing hysterically at my > situation. > Needless to say I wanted to abort the dive immediately. > I was instructed to make 3 agonizing in-water decompression stops > totaling 35 > minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my chamber dry > decompression. When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing nothing but > my > brass helmet, along with a sporting a red hot ass. As I climbed out of > the > water, the medic, with tears of laughter running down his face, handed > me a > tube of cream and told me to rub it in my crack as soon as I got in the > chamber. The cream eventually put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for > 2 > whole days because my butt hole was actually swollen shut. > So the next time you're having a bad day at work, think about how much > worse > it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved between your butt cheeks. Now > repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I love my job..." ================= To: , "jimbo777777" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Post/Jello 1961-2-3 Baseball Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:47:37 -0700 From: "yaz" 1962 Jellos don't have the red 'Post' logo, (oval shaped), or red or blue border lines around the the stat box. 1963 Jellos are 1/8" smaller width and the red line that separates the 1962 stats with the lifetime stats does not extend to the edges of the card like the Post does. It starts and stops closer to the stats. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jimbo777777" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 6:37 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Post/Jello 1961-2-3 Baseball > Dumb Question: How do you tell the difference between a Post and a > Jello card? > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:59:38 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Post/Jello 1961-2-3 Baseball To: jimbo777777@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Another way to tell the difference on the 1963 Jell-o is the stars on each side of the card number are smaller and closer togeether on the Jell-o than on the Post. Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:50:04 EDT Subject: Availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- these are available- giveaways- no obligation for payback- Old Judge- Driskill- Cleveland 1951 Bowman low # 18- Gil Coan 1958 topps # 357- Danny McDevitt- Dodger 1953 topps # 169- Dizzy Trout 1952 topps # 115- George Munger 1952 topps # 42- Red Back - Lou Kretlow 1952 Topps # 107-Connie Ryan 1953 Color Bowman # 109- Ken Wood 1939 Play Ball- # 44- Donald Heffner 1960 topps hi # 525- Marv Breeding 1960 topps hi # 561- Al Kaline- Sports Mag '60 All-Star Selection 1949 Bowman # 132 Al Evans 1948 Leaf Football # 24- James Martin ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:55:59 EDT Subject: Vegas 02 To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com It's time for the rookie to share his thoughts about Vegas 02. The first word that comes to mind is awesome. Special thinks to Mike Hair for all his work setting everything up. The ribfest at Mikes was incredible. I met 5 OBCers for the first time, but of course it wasn't like meeting them for the first time at all ...I've known them for years. Rick Ellison and I have shared cards for 8 years (you can't really call it trading) and spoken on the phone ..finally we met. Mike Hair and I likewise have chatted for years. Dave Kolenda and I have traded as well, and served together for 2 years on the OBCAC. I was Rex Stallman's mentor when he joined OBC 5 years ago. And Mac Wubben and I have traded some pretty nice cards. It was great to meet them in person. And it was certainly great to see St. Al, Ken, Steve, Josh, Peter, Geno, Joel, George, Jim, and Todd again, along with former OBCer G eorge Pizzo. The card trading was a little calmer that last year at the National. Most of the guys were pretty organized and had already checked wantlists. I could start to thank the guys who I know game me cards, but I would certainly miss someone. So let me just give big thanks to everyone. Breakfast before golf was exciting ... everyone had plenty of excuses (none are allowed on the course). I thought by excuse was best but I won't bother to repeat it because It didn't get me sh*t. I was paired with Mikes friend Carl, who hit the ball straight unlike the rest of us, defending champion Dave, and first time golfer Steve. We thought we played pretty well but not outstanding. The fact that we won by 17 strokes certainly says something, but I'm certainly not sure what. I don't believe any of us will quit our day job and join the tour. The lunch at the Frog detoured to Hooters. I picked up a few high number 73's at the card shop. After an extended and interesting tour of Vegas finding the ball park (George and Lucy learned to navigate from Margaret I guess) we arrived at the ball park about the end of the first inning. About 10,000 people seemed to me to be a pretty good crowd. Ken began passing the glass at a quarter a batter. Someone hits a home run and you keep the contents. No home runs and Judy had the glass at the end of the game. The $17 she won was about enough to cover my losses at the slots. What can you say about Rick and Margaret's wedding? It was beautiful. Rick was almost eloquent. The chapel was full of friends. The weather was great. Everything went beautifully. The reception following was very nice. Further opportunities for old friends to chat and share. Dinner at Samstown and breakfast with George and Joel at Paris finished the weekend. We will be back. Hope to see most of you in Chicago. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:00:06 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 02 one more thing To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, From: Traderdoug@aol.com One ...and thanks to Mike Diamonte for the coffee. Mike was there in spirit and the coffee beans smell great. We'll try it this weekend. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:18:33 EDT Subject: Any shows in the NY-CT area this weekend? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smart1853@aol.com Does anyone have a listing of shows in the NY-CT area for the Memorial Day weekend? Possibly heading to Danbury, CT and knew there have been shows there before. Figured it couldn't hurt to check. The most current listings I have are for the month of June. Brian Dwyer ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: price guide help Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00:01:04 -0400 From: "John Collins" Can anyone tell me what a 1959 Bazooka Mickey Mantle books for (high and also vg if possible)?? John C. Collins ================= Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:48:04 EDT Subject: 68-72 availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I'm wanting to be more active - but I seem to be stifled on finding matches on wantlists with my dupes box - so help me out, folks, and claim a few of these from my high school and college years.... 56 62 67 72 76 79 81 88 34 434 447 4 44 71 73 92 94 96 101 106 108 127 261 367 429 43 196 302 307 336 459 ================= Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:00:11 EDT Subject: Vegas 02 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com This was another great Vegas get together. It was fun as usual getting back together with the Vegas veterans and even better with some new guys this year. The various events have been well documented, so I won't further describe them. It's really incredible how a bunch of guys (and many of their significant others), from so many diverse backgrounds, can form the kinds of relationships we have in Vegas. It's really hard to explain this to someone on the outside. Thanks to those several of you who presented me with cards. That was a real challenge due to my perpetually missing wantlist. I won't name them either, fearing that I might miss someone. A very special thanks out again to Mike and Cindy for their wonderful hospitality and a lot of work and preparation. It's true that the ribs get better every year. Also a very special thanks goes out to Rick and Margaret for giving us the privilege of being a part of their special day. Everyone have a great holiday weekend! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: 1952 topps high #'s Please look! Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:15:02 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" I have finally finished my quest... not complete the set :) but I do know what all the cards look like! Please let me know what you think... http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/cards.html ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 10:17:55 -0400 Subject: I need some opinions? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mark S Talbot Hello All, As many of you know I am on a quest to get my Topps want list below 1000 cards by the end of the year. I have only included Topps regular issues and left inserts, special issues, coins, stamps etc... off the list. This brings me to my question - Are the `51 Connie Mack All-Stars, `51 Current All-Stars and the `51 Topps Team cards considered regular issued cards or were they inserts. My information indicates that they were issued in 5 cent packs of Red Backs and would therefore be considered an insert. What's the feeling on these very rare issues? I'd like to know if I should be including them on my list of Topps regularly issued cards. LMK your thoughts. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 13:36:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some opinions? To: talbot1@comcast.net From: smart1853@aol.com I have always considered the sets from 1951, other than the Red and Blue Backs, to be inserts. I've read that the Connie Mack All-Stars were issued with Red Backs, like you said, making them inserts. On the other hand, I've read that the Topps Teams and Current All-Stars were issued together in a two card pack, making them a legitimate regular issue. My personal opinion is that the Topps Teams, Connie Mack All-Stars, and Current All-Stars are all insert issues and shouldn't be included in the quest to complete the entire Topps run. However, other sets that are considered by many to be inserts, such as the '62 Topps Bucks, '55 Topps Double Header, or '56 Topps pins, are said to have been issued by Topps in their own wrappers and packs. Does that make them regular issue too? It's an interesting question. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 16:56:37 EDT Subject: 53 Bowman Mantle with pinhole VG???? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- the ebay seller grades this 53 Bowman Mantle with a pinhole and badly rounded corners-(check upper right corner ) a VG or better!!! eBay item 1830088103 (Ends May-28-02 06:... and what's more - reserve not met at $99.95.When are these crazy high prices for the beater low grade cards we collect going to come down?- i don't think this card is worth more than $50 in this condition- but i can't bid what i think the card is worth because the seller has placed a moon money reserve of $99.95- i would really like a 53 bowman Mantle for my set since he is my favorite player- Does any trader see this card in similiar condition at shows in the mid west or east coast for $50 or less?--- forget trying to find one at a reasonable priceat a show or shop where i live-near los angeles - a dealer at a show here would probably want $200 for that same card this seller has a reserve of $99.95 on and realistically isn't worth over $50 in that damaged condition- Linda ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:15:33 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My .02 on V02 From: tknowles@mocc.com Where to start....the beginning I suppose. Angie (the better half) and I arrived late Thursday night. Friday we did some sightseeing and a little bit of gambling-actually left the blackjack tables 50 dollars to the good and then headed out to Ribs "R" Us, aka Mike's. It was great to see some familiar faces, as well as getting to meet some old friends in person for the first time; Steve, Geno, Mac, Rex, and Jim. The ribs, as usual were top notch. The half rubber game was not, at least for me. One swing and I was done-I've always been a sucker for the high heater. Someone (I think it was Rick) suggested my wife take her turn at bat, and I should be the one to pitch to her. After whipping a couple up under her chin (hey, she was digging in!) I threw a mistake pitch and she connected. Needless to say, I caught a lot of grief over that. I need to practice before next year :( After dinner we made the trek to the Railroad Pass. I ended up making another 30 on the dollar blackjack tables, then lost most of it on the Craps table. (Note to self: don't bet when Big Al's the shooter) After the festivities we headed back to the Strip and actually got to bed before 2AM. I didn't join the golf game this year-I don't get up at 4AM even for something i LIKE to do......we met up with the rest of the crew at the Frog, and then to Hooters for some Sam Adams and Three Mile Island Wings. After that we went to the card shop. I was a little disappointed as I had hoped to put a dent or 2 in my 54 list, but unfortunately there was very little to choose from in that vintage. I did pick up a 1964 AL Red Book with Yaz on the cover, so that took some of the disappointment away. After snooping around a little more, I found what appeared to be a 'bargain box', but it turned out to be a box the owner was holding for Mike. I managed to talk Mike into going halfsies (it didn't take oa lot of persuasion) and we both ended up with an 800 count box of assorted goodies from 55B to 75T. Finally, my dupes box has been replenished. After all the excitement, we headed back to the Frontier for a quick nap, a quick shower, and a quick trip to Cashman Field for the 5! 1s-Beavers game. The game was pretty uneventful, but the same couldn't be said for an article of Mr. Rittenberg's clothing...and that's all I have to say about that. The fireworks show was a fitting end to a fun day. We headed back to the Frontier and I gave back some of my profits. Sunday began with a trip to the Brunch buffet at the Paris. Lucy Hay had told us about it and believe me, it was great. We waddled out of there and went back to change for "The Big Event". The wedding was very nice, and made nicer by the arrival of Joel. The reception was a lot of fun as well. That night Angie and I had dinner at Emeril's in the MGM Grand. Fantastic! We headed home Monday AM and arrived in Great Falls to 90 degrees. Wednesday we had 3 inches of snow. Ah, springime in the Rockies! Thanks to Mike and Cindy Hair for their event planning and hospitality. Thanks to Rick and Margaret Ellison for letting us be a part of their special day. This was only my third V trip, but it was the best yet! Thanks to all who attended for making it so great! I never met an OBCer I didn't like...... Experience Borneo Electronically! Visit e-borneo.com at http://www.e-borneo.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:17:16 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My .02 on V02 From: tknowles@mocc.com Where to start....the beginning I suppose. Angie (the better half) and I arrived late Thursday night. Friday we did some sightseeing and a little bit of gambling-actually left the blackjack tables 50 dollars to the good and then headed out to Ribs "R" Us, aka Mike's. It was great to see some familiar faces, as well as getting to meet some old friends in person for the first time; Steve, Geno, Mac, Rex, and Jim. The ribs, as usual were top notch. The half rubber game was not, at least for me. One swing and I was done-I've always been a sucker for the high heater. Someone (I think it was Rick) suggested my wife take her turn at bat, and I should be the one to pitch to her. After whipping a couple up under her chin (hey, she was digging in!) I threw a mistake pitch and she connected. Needless to say, I caught a lot of grief over that. I need to practice before next year :( After dinner we made the trek to the Railroad Pass. I ended up making another 30 on the dollar blackjack tables, then lost most of it on the Craps table. (Note to self: don't bet when Big Al's the shooter) After the festivities we headed back to the Strip and actually got to bed before 2AM. I didn't join the golf game this year-I don't get up at 4AM even for something i LIKE to do......we met up with the rest of the crew at the Frog, and then to Hooters for some Sam Adams and Three Mile Island Wings. After that we went to the card shop. I was a little disappointed as I had hoped to put a dent or 2 in my 54 list, but unfortunately there was very little to choose from in that vintage. I did pick up a 1964 AL Red Book with Yaz on the cover, so that took some of the disappointment away. After snooping around a little more, I found what appeared to be a 'bargain box', but it turned out to be a box the owner was holding for Mike. I managed to talk Mike into going halfsies (it didn't take oa lot of persuasion) and we both ended up with an 800 count box of assorted goodies from 55B to 75T. Finally, my dupes box has been replenished. After all the excitement, we headed back to the Frontier for a quick nap, a quick shower, and a quick trip to Cashman Field for the 5! 1s-Beavers game. The game was pretty uneventful, but the same couldn't be said for an article of Mr. Rittenberg's clothing...and that's all I have to say about that. The fireworks show was a fitting end to a fun day. We headed back to the Frontier and I gave back some of my profits. Sunday began with a trip to the Brunch buffet at the Paris. Lucy Hay had told us about it and believe me, it was great. We waddled out of there and went back to change for "The Big Event". The wedding was very nice, and made nicer by the arrival of Joel. The reception was a lot of fun as well. That night Angie and I had dinner at Emeril's in the MGM Grand. Fantastic! We headed home Monday AM and arrived in Great Falls to 90 degrees. Wednesday we had 3 inches of snow. Ah, springime in the Rockies! Thanks to Mike and Cindy Hair for their event planning and hospitality. Thanks to Rick and Margaret Ellison for letting us be a part of their special day. This was only my third V trip, but it was the best yet! Thanks to all who attended for making it so great! I never met an OBCer I didn't like...... Experience Borneo Electronically! Visit e-borneo.com at http://www.e-borneo.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 22:22:44 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My .02 on V02 From: tknowles@mocc.com Where to start....the beginning I suppose. Angie (the better half) and I arrived late Thursday night. Friday we did some sightseeing and a little bit of gambling-actually left the blackjack tables 50 dollars to the good and then headed out to Ribs "R" Us, aka Mike's. It was great to see some familiar faces, as well as getting to meet some old friends in person for the first time; Steve, Geno, Mac, Rex, and Jim. The ribs, as usual were top notch. The half rubber game was not, at least for me. One swing and I was done-I've always been a sucker for the high heater. Someone (I think it was Rick) suggested my wife take her turn at bat, and I should be the one to pitch to her. After whipping a couple up under her chin (hey, she was digging in!) I threw a mistake pitch and she connected. Needless to say, I caught a lot of grief over that. I need to practice before next year :( After dinner we made the trek to the Railroad Pass. I ended up making another 30 on the dollar blackjack tables, then lost most of it on the Craps table. (Note to self: don't bet when Big Al's the shooter) After the festivities we headed back to the Strip and actually got to bed before 2AM. I didn't join the golf game this year-I don't get up at 4AM even for something i LIKE to do......we met up with the rest of the crew at the Frog, and then to Hooters for some Sam Adams and Three Mile Island Wings. After that we went to the card shop. I was a little disappointed as I had hoped to put a dent or 2 in my 54 list, but unfortunately there was very little to choose from in that vintage. I did pick up a 1964 AL Red Book with Yaz on the cover, so that took some of the disappointment away. After snooping around a little more, I found what appeared to be a 'bargain box', but it turned out to be a box the owner was holding for Mike. I managed to talk Mike into going halfsies (it didn't take oa lot of persuasion) and we both ended up with an 800 count box of assorted goodies from 55B to 75T. Finally, my dupes box has been replenished. After all the excitement, we headed back to the Frontier for a quick nap, a quick shower, and a quick trip to Cashman Field for the 5! 1s-Beavers game. The game was pretty uneventful, but the same couldn't be said for an article of Mr. Rittenberg's clothing...and that's all I have to say about that. The fireworks show was a fitting end to a fun day. We headed back to the Frontier and I gave back some of my profits. Sunday began with a trip to the Brunch buffet at the Paris. Lucy Hay had told us about it and believe me, it was great. We waddled out of there and went back to change for "The Big Event". The wedding was very nice, and made nicer by the arrival of Joel. The reception was a lot of fun as well. That night Angie and I had dinner at Emeril's in the MGM Grand. Fantastic! We headed home Monday AM and arrived in Great Falls to 90 degrees. Wednesday we had 3 inches of snow. Ah, springime in the Rockies! Thanks to Mike and Cindy Hair for their event planning and hospitality. Thanks to Rick and Margaret Ellison for letting us be a part of their special day. This was only my third V trip, but it was the best yet! Thanks to all who attended for making it so great! I never met an OBCer I didn't like...... Experience Borneo Electronically! Visit e-borneo.com at http://www.e-borneo.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 05:01:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: what a glorious day!!! From: "sassabeth" I was really bummed out today...I had to work today, and the weather was really great outside! I had a wonderful day at the jewelry store and were thankful people were in a buying mood! Just when it started to slow down, I went out into the mall for a break; being at one end of the mall, we don't always get to see what's going on in the mall...boy was I surprised when I saw the familiar card tables set up! They were having a small show...Living in a small town like I do, this is the only way I can gain experience with the dealers...I found my favorite dealer and he just begged me to ask the question I always ask..."Do you have any 52's?" I usually get a "no", but today he said he was just waiting to see the expression on my face when he pulled out a stack of @ 100 52's in near mint condition...Being from the small town and all, I don't get too many bargins...there were a couple I paid a pretty good price on but today I got a good bargin on about 20 52's!!! I also found some 52 bowmans, and I picked up 4 53 bowmans...There were three other dealers that have kind of taken me under their wings and awaited my arrival...I got some 72's from one, from another I picked up two woodies...one was Lou Brock's rookie card! He had a Tom Tresh rookie, and I may go back tomorrow...All In all, I had a great day... I spoke with one dealer about nationals and was telling him how I had already made plans to be in vegas that week-end. He mentioned to my husband that It would be cheaper if I went to nationals and Bob just looked at him and laughed...he knows me so well; I'd take a card show any day! I was bummed to find out that not one dealer knew what the OBC was...I guess that is small town America for you!!! I have started updating my wantlist to accomodate all the wonderful 72's I have received from members...and my new 52's I purchased... I will keep pushing through getting my wantlist up to date...I will have to add three starter sets from fellow OBCers! well I just wanted to share the great day... TRADE ON.... ================= Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 03:25:53 EDT Subject: A rough start to my 51st year To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - Before I get to the title of this message I must say how overwhelmed Margaret I were by a full chapel (Mostly OBCer's) at our wedding! Words cannot do justice to the feelings I have for all of you that honored us with your presence on our special day! Mike and Cindy, as always, were the perfect hosts for Vegas 02! THANK you all very much!!! I will share other thoughts and pictures in the near future. I returned home last night May 24th my 51st birthday only to find almost 800 emails in my inbox the saddest of which was the news about Mike's friend who I had the honor of playing golf with. I sincerely hope for his recovery and our prayers are with him and his family as well as Mike and his family! The other bad news was I discovered someone had hacked into my PayPal account on the 20th of May while I was in Vegas and managed to withdraw almost $1000.00 from my checking account between May 20th and 23rd. I worked all day on closing my checking account, transferring the remaining funds to Margaret's account, and freezing all transaction on my PayPal account. Shortly after I had closed my bank account around 1PM the hacker attempted to get another thousand dollars through two transactions in my PayPal account. Luckily I was about 30 minutes ahead of him and his attempt failed. I have all of this well documented and filed a police report and I will not stop there. I intend to get advice from our Internet fraud agents when I return to work on Tuesday. The email address of the person using my PayPal account (he changed my pass word and email address to his own) is vtec3k@hotmail.com. If any of you run across this email address any where please contact me. Please be very careful if you have a PayPal account, do not give your pass word or email to anyone even if the email looks official. I recall receiving a n email shortly after PayPal merged with AOL and that may have been the hoax that the hacker sent me to access my account. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fleer stickers question-help? Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 15:56:50 +0000 From: "Brad Chambers" OOB groupies: I need the help of the experts. I have a bunch of Fleer stickers. Some are exactly like the Laughlin World Series cards but are stickers and have a team on the other side, such as Milwaukee Brewers, '79. Some say Grand Slam Stickers at upper left, and are psychedelic in their writing. Each sticker has a team. The reverse has a big stadium overhead view when you put them all together, with World Series in psychedelic Some just have a team name with a royal blue background, and you peel off the team name sticker. the major league baseball logo is in the lower right. White blank reverse. Some have Fleer Action Series at the top with the team name, with Fleer Baseball Quiz on the reverse. These do say Fleer 1990 on the back. And some are much older looking, with a cloth patch look and the actual hat logo, such as the NY, or the StL, and also the Mets and the Cardinals as part of the sticker/patch. An old brown looking back. Can anyone tell me what I have here? Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 13:49:26 EDT Subject: Give him one last summer To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- There was an article in my local newspaper's sports section by Roger Kahn- author of the book, "The Boys of Summer"-entitled- "Give Him One Last Summer"- It is a nearly full page article on why Gil Hodges belongs in the Hall Of Fame- There is a great picture of Hodges , an article and a statistical argument presented as a comparsion to others with similiar stats who are in the Hall- i cut the article out and would like to offer it to any Gil Hodges fan in the group- Also if you don't have the cards i can send Gil's 1966 and 1967 topps cards as manager of the Senators- Another player i would like to mention who my husband thinks is under rated was a great defensive outfielder and .300 + hitter in 1964,1965 and his .335 was 4th best in the majors in 1967- Curt Flood- i would like to offer 4 cards of Flood to any Cardinal or Flood fan- his 1965,1966,1967 & 1968 topps cards- ================= Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:47:24 EDT Subject: who are you thinking about today? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'm thinking about my friend Gary. In regular life, a Fairfax County cop, but also a former special forces active duty soldier and still a member of the reserves. He happened to be on his annual active duty service on 9/11. His unit was activated for indefinite service the same day, and Linda became a single parent with two toddlers. He is deployed overseas right now, and we assume Afghanistan. My wife talked with her yesterday. I don't know what rank he is, but his wife is the one that all the other wives call for help/advice. She told my wife that she married Gary after he left active duty and doesn't really know any of the stuff these ladies want to know other than providing a comfort shoulder to lean on. In her words, "I'm a cop's wife. I really don't know any of this military stuff, but I do the best I can." Today, I'm thinking of the Gary's and Linda's around the country who are working hard to prevent a recurrence of last September's events. ================= Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:08:21 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] who are you thinking about today? From: Neal Thomas My buddy Paul is on my mind today. After graduating college with an English degree, he wanted to fly f-14s or f-16s after seeing Top Gun, so he joined the Navy. His eyesight kept him from flying, but he was in the #2 seat for the Gulf War, flying a ton of missions. After he finished, he kept on in the reserves and became a high school teacher. He was activated after 9/11 and was sent to Italy after Christmas. He left his three kids (including a newborn) at home, and hasn't seen them in 5 months! I did score some points by sending him and his unit about 20 pounds of chocolate from Hershey (The Sweetest PLace On Earth!!). Guess it's time to put together another care Thanks to our military members--you guys are always in our prayers! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: amcook93@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] who are you thinking about today? Date: 05/27/2002 10:47am I'm thinking about my friend Gary. In regular life, a Fairfax County cop, but also a former special forces active duty soldier and still a member of the reserves. He happened to be on his annual active duty service on 9/11. His unit was activated for indefinite service the same day, and Linda became a single parent with two toddlers. He is deployed overseas right now, and we assume Afghanistan. My wife talked with her yesterday. I don't know what rank he is, but his wife is the one that all the other wives call for She told my wife that she married Gary after he left active duty and really know any of the stuff these ladies want to know other than providing a comfort shoulder to lean on. In her words, "I'm a cop's wife. I really don't know any of this military stuff, but I do the best I can." Today, I'm thinking of the Gary's and Linda's around the country who working hard to prevent a recurrence of last September's events. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:16:00 EDT Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: FW: heart attack...how to help yourself To: fjb182@adelphia.net, SanBru@aol.com, prizmz@hotmail.com, BJRC1@aol.com, From: friar4@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 11:43:30 -0400 From: Dakota107@aol.com To: S1sandy1s@aol.com, ncunningham@quixnet.net, MaryAn2044@aol.com, Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: FW: heart attack...how to help yourself From: RPOST1219 Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 9:30:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time Subject: Fwd: Fw: Fwd: FW: heart attack...how to help yourself To: Dakota107, ALF 789 To: cajeli124@aol.com, abc1207@hotmail.com, valpakofcapecod@earthlink.net, Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 07:56:47 -0400 Subject: Fw: Fwd: FW: heart attack...how to help yourself From: Donna M Barnas ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:48:21 -0700 Subject: Vegas '02 Report (and you thought Ken's was long...) From: Peter Iversen When I re-joined OBC in 1997 I read a series of e-mails (just like this one) regaling us all with the antics and stories of Vegas ’97. As I read, I smiled and thought "I’ve got to do that next year." I didn’t know how Denice would take this – or if she would see it as a ‘vacation’ – but Denice is a good sport (after all she loves me…) and the idea of a pool, a nice room and at least a half a day alone with me (not counting the nice drive out and back) would make up for what she probably conceived as a strange group of odd people who talked of and ‘played with’ baseball cards just like I did – and most likely didn’t think of anything else. And, she knew I wanted to go – so that was enough for her (what a great Five years down the road it is now a toss up to see which of us will start talking about going back for Vegas ___ (fill in blank) first – or stop talking about what a great time we just had at Vegas ___. We have been blessed with wonderful moments, warm relationships, touched by boundless generosity and filled with joy at all five "V’s" – And it hasn’t been not just about baseball cards – but about the stuff life is made of. Great thanks to Mike and Cindy for making this all possible – and continuing to host this wild and diverse group of people year after year. The two of you are Topps! Some Personal Memories / Highlights: The Trip Out & the BBQ: A fuel spill south of Barstow on I-15 kept us tied up for 2 hours and warmed the strawberries in my trunk that were supposed to be appetizers for the BBQ. We arrived as Mike was dishing out the ribs. Denice started to mingle and I retreated to the kitchen to clean the berries (I know where everything is in the Hair kitchen by now…) and passed Ken on his way for seconds – or was it thirds… Ken likes ribs so much that I am surprised that he doesn’t play craps more often so he can ‘roll the bones’ – later I did see him trying to make something of one of those ribs over in the corner of the yard. Sorry Ken, I think God is the only one who has done that trick J . Mike pried me from the kitchen after I managed to get one flat of berries cleaned and was working on the second half flat – "I had to eat" he said – "you can do that later…" Now, I had fully intended on eating – and I knew Mike would have more than enough (he always does) in spite of Ken’s trencherman capacities – but I knew the longer I waited the more that that lovely carbon was coated on each baby back bit… Man, those were good! The best yet is definitely true! I sat down with my first plate next to Steve – he has a SUITCASE full of cards…. And as I munched Steve started handing me things. Have you ever tried to eat ribs and try not to get grease and goo all over baseball cards that someone is handing you to look at…. Quite a challenge I must say. Meanwhile Al, who was across the table, started handing me an envelope. I was defenseless – and my envelopes were in the car… I ate as fast as I could – trying not to offend my card toting friends since I wasn’t really looking at the cards, and then slipped out to my car for my Dupes and Envelopes – managed to get another plate of ribs on the way (how did that happen…!) and sat down again to eat and look and wipe and lick my hands thoroughly between every card I touched… As I sat down Steve handed me some more cards… I think I may have a couple of Tipton BBQ Mint cards in my collection now. Meanwhile (and this starts to become a blur at this point) I got cards handed to me from just about every direction – from some people I knew and others I hadn’t met. The light was fading – the boys were in the street playing half-rubber and I was wandering around handing out envelopes to everyone I saw and getting the same back – I decided to forgo the half-rubber game since I was late and hadn’t had the chance to talk to my friends and meet the new guys. And I knew my HR record was safe with Rick’s brother pitching… Jim W. is a non-sport card expert – and passionate about it! Filled with stories and information that usually resides in books. In our discussions over the next couple of days I found out a lot about non-sports cards and found out that his daughter was a big Sean Green fan. She probably had a good time reading about Sean's feats of the past few days…! I met Mac for about 4 seconds - as I handed him an envelope. If I had known that he was going to be gone the next day I would have made a greater effort to chat a bit… Railroad Pass: I don't think we broke the bank this year - but we did have fun. I especially enjoyed the 25 cent crap table. I rolled terribly - and so did just about everyone. Mike had one good roll - and later I convinced Geno to come over and try his luck. He had never played Craps before and that is always a good sign in my experience. I managed to get on a couple of numbers when he was rolling 'bought a 10' like Mike had taught me and won back 10 of the 20 dollars I had lost. Steve did not hand me any cards - but he did tell me about the ones that he would be giving me once Jim had a chance to look at the pile for his non-sport 'type set'. Card Store - Boston Pizza and Hooters: We were meeting at the card store and then everyone was going to lunch - and then back to the card store. Denice was glad about this because as you know all OBC wives just can't resist the opportunity to look at cards beside their husbands and buy them that '53 Mantle they need for their sets. She was glad that she wouldn't have that temptation. Well, when we got there the boys had already descended and were going through boxes. Rick (the card store owner) was showing me all kinds of signed Dodger stuff and Denice and Angie (that's Mrs. Todd) were trying to hold themselves back from going through a box of 1988 Bowmans… Todd and I figured that we couldn't afford the ladies going on a spending spree so we spirited them away to the Barking Frog (whatever it was called) Boston Pizza parlor. Josh and his friend Mike were already there and had ordered and after awhile there were about 15 of us at the place. We were the only ones in the restaurant and after ordering drinks we were first told that we could only order Pizza and Salads (since the cook was new) and then were told that the cook could not handle us (who can!) - so we decided to head for Hooters. Denice and Jim and I hung out with Josh and Mike (Josh's friend and collector of 71T) for awhile and drank our drinks and the ones that others had ordered and left behind (burp…) and then joined the party in the back room at Hooters. It actually worked out very well since they gave us a back room and we could wander around and talk to anyone we wanted between sips and bites of wings and such. In reflection I think that one of the things that made V'02 so great was the time we had to be with the group in a place where we could talk - this is not always easy in a casino or at a baseball game. The Rib Fest, Hooters, The Wedding, Reception and Closing Ceremonies (unofficial) at Sam's Town all provided more time to get to know people. Todd and I made sure that Denice and Angie headed back to the Hotel before we went on our own to the Card Shop. At the there were OBCers everywhere - going through boxes and sorting cards. Steve had a couple of dupe boxes (imagine what the owners would have said if he brought his suitcase in… I think he might have charged Steve a table fee J …) and of course Steve handed me some more cards - including one when we repaired to the parking lot… As Todd and I walked back into the Hotel we ran in to Margaret who was off to the store to buy supplies for the reception. She was glowing and her eyes were sparkling - she truly looked like a bride and her excitement made me look forward to the wedding even more… Baseball Game: Well, Denice and I seemed to have been marked for problems on the road this trip. We arrived at the Stadium and paid for parking and went into the lot - only to find that it was FULL and we had to wander around and out into he streets and look for a place. We finally found good parking at the State Building across the street and arrived in the Second Inning. As we sat down someone tapped me on the shoulder - I turned and was handed a batch of baseball cards - passed to me from Steve who was a row behind me and a couple of seats over… The game was not filled with excitement but there were some good moments. It was good to see the 51's first baseman Chen from Taiwan play - he looked really good. Back to the Frontier: After having a nightcap with Denice I went downstairs to see if any OBCers were on the prowl. I found Rick and former OBCer George Pizzo having a drink at the bar with Rick. Richard (that's Rick Jr.) and Crystal (Rick's daughter) and some of Rick's extended family were also in attendance. Eventually Rick, George and I went over to the blackjack table and Richard kibitzed from over our shoulders. Our play was not stellar but we did hold our own. Rick finally decided that it was time to go to bed and get rested up for the wedding. Richard took his seat and played with George and I. It was great after all these years of watching Richard standing on the outskirts of the casinos and being banished to the Video Game rooms - finally have a chance to sit down and loose money with the rest of us! It was particularly funny when Richard was carded by the cocktail hostess for his beer - while he was sitting at a table playing blackjack! "I'm 21, going to be 22 this year!" Richard reported… The three of us did OK until they changed dealers - she promptly dealt herself 4 black jacks and I was out of there… Rick and Margaret's Wedding & Reception: Denice and I were not going to let traffic daunt us or make us late this time. We left the hotel at 11:00 to drive up the street for a 12:30 wedding. We got there early enough to go into the Flamingo's casino and have a Latte and play some nickel slots. We walked into the chapel ad precisely 12:15 (early I thought) and I then saw Joel in this Tux at the front of the chapel. "Hi Joel!" I exclaimed in surprise - and then 30 some OBCers, wives and guests turned and looked at Denice and I… We were the last ones there! We couldn't believe it - and after all our careful We did manage to find a place to sit next to a bareheaded guy with a tie clipped to his T-shirt. It took a few moments to realize that this guy was none other than Ken Morganti! I had never seen him without a ball cap on and it was quite a shock. In spite of roomers his head is shaped as normally as anyone else's J … Everyone looked great - all dressed up and smiling. Steve made his way across the room and handed me some cards (for my nephew Eli this time…) The ceremony was nice -- the processional and big entrance when everyone stood up (no not because they played 'Take Me Out To The Ballgame) - Margaret looked wonderful! And Rick… Well, Rick looked like Rick in a Tuxedo… After some shifting everyone got into place - Rick with Richard and Joel on one side and Margaret with Crystal and Pat (Margaret's best friend and attender of many other V' expeditions) on the other. All the flashes were going off and it looked like McGwire had hit #70 - The moment filled us with smiles and tears of joy! Back to the Penthouse Suite at the Frontier - We met Mike & Cindy in the lobby as we were looking for a bite to eat before we went upstairs (we didn't want to be ravenous and hoard all the hor d'oerves..) the four of us had a bite at the Chinese place in the casino - it was really wonderful to spend this bonus time with Mike and Cindy and talk and eat… Pat had supervised the making of some incredible appetizers - including Proscuitto & Cantaloupe (one of my favorites) and it turns out that we probably could have forgone getting the Chinese food - there was enough for lunch and dinner for all of us..! George P. was tending bar and we were milling and talking and drinking and having a good time. There were toasts and some more tears - the emotion was genuine and from the heart. After spending time with many of these people and emailing and sending and receiving cards - it was particularly poignant to me to see everyone in this setting just being 'themselves' - Whether joking, or laughing or making a speech - I think that for me - more than in any other event - Margaret & Rick's wedding cemented the reality of the relationships we have in OBC and the joy it is to know and spend time with this diverse group of people. We may have been brought together by baseball cards - but it is our seeking after a Quality of Life that keeps us together and makes all the investment of time and money in cards - pay bonuses in the gifts of these amazing friendships. Thanks Rick and Margaret for sharing your moment with us - for bringing tears to my eyes and giving me a chance to be there with you and revel in the wonderful atmosphere of Closing Ceremonies - Sam's Town: The first year Denice and I went to V'98 - the group met at the Sports Bar in Sam's Town - well we did not make it in time to meet the group there - so we decided to have dinner in this little Italian restaurant under the indoor waterfall - in the atrium. The atmosphere was nice and there was this fun light show at 10:00 that made an lasting impression on us as our welcome to our first V' event. Since then we have tried to make it back to that spot every year - and a couple of years ago we were joined by others. Al and Dottie, having enjoyed this event in the past - have made it "unofficially" (since the 'Comish' did not dub it so..) the place for our Closing Ceremonies. We all got there around 8:00 and Al had laid on a reservation so we did not have to wait for a seat this time. Teresa & Michelle (Al & Dottie's daughters) came up toting several bags of coffee - I figured they had been on a shopping spree - and as dinner progressed they started to put it into 'to go' containers that Al had begged off the restaurant staff. Turns out that this was coffee from Mike Diamanti's shop in Washington that Al had procured to share with all of is. I managed to get a HUGE bag that Denice and I are still enjoying every morning - wonderful dark roasted stuff! The supper was delicious - and the table talk was general and fun. Dave and Denise were down at one end - I missed staying at the same place as them this year - so I could go down in the wee hours and watch Dave at the Blackjack table - I think that Dave is the OBCer I have managed to meet up with more times than anyone except Josh… Speaking of Josh he was there too - He spoke of his trip to London some and showed Denice and I a photo of Nikole (hope I spelled that right) his best friend who I feel like I know through Josh's wonderful stories… Doug and Judy were also enjoying the evening - I had the chance to talk to Doug quite a bit and really enjoyed getting to know him and Judy - I hope they will make it back next year. Steve and Jim were across the table from me - and I had a great time talking with them both - learning more about cards and receiving about a million cards from Mr. Rittenberg! Closer to Denice and I were Al, Dottie, Michelle and Teresa - a warmer group of people you will never meet. St. Al blessed the occasion and then in a short and heartfelt speech he thanked us (just for being ourselves…) and picked up the check for the lot of us. After this weekend of giving and loving and baseball cards and etc.. - it made for a really lovely ending. We all talked some more - and watched the light show - and played the nickel and penny slots and were off - until next year… So, Mike (Cindy), Steve, Ken, Rick (Margaret, Richard, Crystal), Dave (Denise), Mac, George (Lucy), Doug (Judy), Josh, Jim, Todd (Angie), Rex (Sarita), Al (Dottie, Michelle, Teresa), Geno, Joel and George Pizzo - it was wonderful to see you again / meet you all - hope to continue the relationships at future V' and other OBC events! ================= To: Subject: Savary Island Saga (cont'd) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:57:44 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" But first, thanks for all the great Vegas reports....wonderful reading, makes me feel like I was there...I can smell Mike's coffee... On to the war....yes, there was a terrible loss of limbs, but thankfully none of them were mine, they ALL belonged to the trees. That was some honkin' chainsaw! Inflicted our share of damage and I feel we took the first step in re-claiming our piece of Paradise. No ambulance required, but we narrowed down the odds considerably by leaving wife, daughter, and dog at home. I figure I am down at least a pint, and I can now be identified by some very unique marks in the strangest places. Jeez, even after you make a huge tree fall down dead, it can still hurt you bad. Also, discovered I have some formidable foes on that island, besides the usual karma that goes with visiting. Termites infested the bottoms of several of the trees we dropped, including the red cedars, which is almost unheard of. (Make mental note to stock up on napalm for return visit.) I hate termites. Had to call a break at one point when we were about to drop a big one, somewhere around 125 feet tall, when a doe and her fawn wandered in to see what all the fuss was about. They grazed for about half an hour, and I tried to talk them into staying longer.....that was a very welcome reprieve, and I never had a beer that tasted so good. Conclusion: I called the guy on island who has a back hoe and is insured. He looked at all the trees that were left, and have to go, and he told me he could do them all in. There's going to be one big bonfire somewhere down the line, and I'll gladly pay him the $80/hour he charges. Right now, I hurt in places I never even knew I had. Stand by for the continuing adventures....we return you to your local ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: New Address FYI Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:00:28 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" We are moving next week to: George Vrechek 401 E. Ontario St, Apt 4405 Chicago, IL 60611 ================= Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:54:03 EDT Subject: Wedding Pictures To: autograph1@earthlink.net, nerdmaker@naspa.netChmielewski, From: tply@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:32:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC - Vegas Style!! From: "rexstahlman" Where do I start?! My fiance' and I left for Vegas Tuesday morning (by Truck) and arrived 1100 miles later on Wednesday afternoon. We decided to get married on Thursday so as not to interfere with the weekend activities!!! She knew I would be busy with OBC all weekend!! FRIDAY - I made it to the Ribfest on Fuente about 2 minutes late and it looked like I was 2 hours late!!! As soon as I walked in and seen the only face I recognized (Mike "Rib King" Hair), Mike jumped up and commenced to introducing me to everybody!! ALL OF THE NAMES WERE FAMILIAR!!! Since I had only met 2 OBCers in the past, this was way past cool! I was trying hard to remember names/faces all weekend long and I don't think I did too bad. As I was being introduced, cards kept flying my way. I "think" I got cards from Peter and Trader Doug. I also got 1 more package from somebody that I forgot, but I'm positive I thanked them in person!! I didn't partake in the half rubber game as I didn't want to embarass myself too soon as we were playing golf in the morning. I would have plenty of opertunites for that Sat. morning!! We then made our way to the Railroad Pass Casino and since I don't understand Craps (I STILL DON'T) I decided to sit at the Blackjack table. After about 30 minutes and being up $100, I decided to call it a night and save my winnings for the card shop!! SATURDAY -The 5:30 excuse breakfast was quite humorous, as I learned it would be extremely hard to get free strokes with this bunch. All I remember hearing was "you ain't gettin' s**t"!!! So I didn't even try!! But I'll try to have some good ones next year!! The golf game was a lot of fun as the course was beautiful and after a 5 year layoff, I didn't do too bad!! The after game luncheon at Hooters was great! What more could you ask for, Hot Wings, Samuel Adams Beer, and good friends!! Our trip to the card shop was prosperous for me as I got a large number of hits to my 56 & 57 lists!! There went my gambling winnings and a little more, but well spent. Remember, I don't have any local card shops with "our" kinds of cards. The baseball game/fireworks show was a lot of fun as well. Especially seeing OBC across the scoreboard!!! After a 19+ hour day, I was wiped out and ready for bed. SUNDAY - The wedding.... What can I say that hasn't already been said... It was beautiful and I wish Rick and Margret all the best!! The reception in the Penthouse was also very enjoyable!! MONDAY - After taking our friend to the airport, my new bride and I went on our Honeymoon. On the way home we visited the Grand Canyon. Now that's a big crack!! If you have never seen it up close and in person, it's well worth the visit!! THANK YOU'S - Mike Hair - For that you do to make this trip a HUGE success. Went I start to think of all that you do to make this outing so great, it boggles my mind!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!! Rick and Margret - Not only the wedding, but for making the room reservations!! TO ALL OF MY OBC BUDDIES - I'm not going to name names, but I want you to know I took home some great memories from each of you. This group is so amazing as I felt at home from the first meeting. The cards are fun, but the friendships created are what makes this group the best!!! Mike - Put me down for next year!!! I'm starting to sound like Ken with this rambling!!! Rex Stahlman ================= Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:18:25 EDT Subject: Fwd: bb cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com From: "bmobile" To: Subject: bb cards Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 07:54:11 -1000 Aloha from Hawaii, we are clearing out, moving on to a sailboat and sailingaway! I have finally decided to sell my Basaball cardcollection I have had since I was a kid (I am 47) I collected extensively from 60-67 some 1959 and most cards are in excellent to mint condition. most years are fairly complete. Well preserved in plastic collector sheets. I have some other memorabilia as well, pins, post card size , embossed, rubones , post cereal, etc. Might be worth a trip to Hawaii to check them out, I want cash for the collection, if your interested please contact me ASAP as I will be contacting other dealers as well. Don't miss out on this great collection. Brent Weyer ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: bb cards Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 20:48:29 -0400 From: "John Collins" I got the same thing..... John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: jdelott@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; vct@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 8:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: bb cards I don't know if anyone else got this email. If not, I pass this on. I do not know this person and am not vouching for the sender. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:04:28 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: bb cards To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com i did too. just asked him how he plans to proceed. gm ================= Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:46:56 EDT Subject: OBC Suspects in Vegas To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com The below picture is from Vegas during our wedding reception. Can you name the OBCer's? [Unable to display image] ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:07:33 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Large Charles is alive and well From: "rbhankins" Hi folks, In case you were wondering (I know that I was), Large Charles Kerfeld is alive and well and managing the Chico (CA) Heat of the Western Baseball League. Me, I'm also alive and well and still on an endless project in Southern California that has taken me away from my family and my baseball cards since February. While out here, I've managed to take in a few Angels games, a Lake Elsinore Storm (Class A California League) game, and tonight, a game between the Long Beach Breakers and the Chico Heat. Former Dodger catcher Steve Yeager manages the Breakers. Steve Yeager, Jr. and Gary Templeton II wear Breaker Blue, but neither appears to be on the fast track for the major leagues. Yeager, Jr. hit only .211 as a rookie last year but somehow battled his way back onto the roster for another campaign. Many of the Breakers are in their early 30's, which is apparently not uncommon in the six-team, independent WBL. The Breaker first baseman is 33 with 9 years of professional baseball experience. He made two errors. I'm pretty sure I could have handled at least one of the balls he booted. Maybe I'll give the GM a call. A front row seat behind the plate set me back $8. A hot dog, a bag of peanuts, and a diet coke cost another $5. When Breaker hitting coach (and 61* batting consultant) Reggie Smith was jogging over to coach first base, I yelled "Hey Reggie," and he waved at me. I snagged a foul ball, just as I had done two weeks ago in Lake Elsinore. This time I gave the ball to a kid who had also been scrambling for it, and I got a polite round of applause from the two hundred or so patrons in sitting in my section. The highlight of the night for me, however, was reading in my program that the visiting team's manager was none other than Charley Kerfeld. You may recall that "Large Charles" went 11-2 with 7 saves and a 2.69 ERA in 61 appearances for the Astros in 1986. Braves fans will remember his brief stint in Atlanta in 1990 -- the year before the current run of success began. Large Charles, a rightie who was charitably listed at 6'6", 225 lbs., used to warm up in the bullpen with with 6'1" 170 lb. lefthander Joe Hesketh. They looked like Laurel and Hardy down there. I suppose this officially qualifies as a "ramble" now. I'll close by saying that I hope to be done out here in mid-July, and I'm anxious to return to card swapping with all of you. ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 07:54:48 EDT Subject: May OBCAC Report To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com The OBCAC has approved the following new members: Joe Isaacs Richard Kimball The AC also approved a change in status from inactive to active for Joel ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Suspects in Vegas Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:16:57 +0000 From: What a great picture! Kinda reminds me of that famous one of the "Hole In The Wall" Gang. Hey, how about "The Hole In The Binder" Gang? > From: tply@aol.com > Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:46:56 EDT > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Suspects in Vegas ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:12:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC Suspects in Vegas From: "obc_ken" --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., tply@a... wrote: > The below picture is from Vegas during our wedding reception. Can you name > the OBCer's? > [Unable to display image] I'll end the mystery and put out the roll call for this historic Front row: Doug Smith, Rick Ellison (standing), Steve Rittenberg, Jim Middle row: Al Cummings, Mike Hair, David Kolenda, George Hay, Peter Back row: Joel Glickman, Ken Morganti (sans tie), Joshua Levine (sans hat), Todd Knowles Not pictured: Phil Chmielewski Also in attendence in Vegas that weekend: Geno Wagner, Mac Wubben, Rex Shahlman and George ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 18:57:57 EDT Subject: OBC suspects in Vegas To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com where's Phil? ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:07:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC Suspects in Vegas From: "rayluurs" After looking at the picture All I can say only mugs a Post office could love:-) I hope someday to make it too this annual event so Rick can truly find someone who is worse in golf than he is. I have always said my golf and bowling average are about the same. I average between 185 and 192 in my leagues and tournament bowling ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:33:20 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Vegas '02 - The Wedding To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: tply@aol.com Ken - You do us proud, Margaret and I are speechless and cannot put into words what a wonderful day our wedding was, many thanks to all the OBCer's that honored us with their presence! Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:41:17 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another V02 Report To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JCERU8600@aol.com From: tply@aol.com I like the idea of Ribcam and OBCBay! Thanks again for everything, you all made the weekend very special for us! Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:42:43 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Vegas 02 To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com Doug - You did the Rookie group proud! Thanks for everything! Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:44:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vegas 02 To: GHAY1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com In a message dated 5/24/2002 5:00:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, GHAY1@aol.com > A very special thanks out again to Mike and Cindy for their wonderful > hospitality and a lot of work and preparation. It's true that the ribs get > better every year. > Also a very special thanks goes out to Rick and Margaret for giving us the > privilege of being a part of their special day. George and Lucy - I agree with you about Mike and Cindy, they go all out for us every year! And we also appreciate you and Lucy caring enough to join us for our wedding, thank you! Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:12:06 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VEGAS 02 To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Thank you David and Denise for honoring us with your presence at our wedding, and thanks to everyone else that attended! Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:23:47 EDT Subject: Back to reality! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - On Monday I will be traveling again to go through the second half of antiterrorist training and I will be traveling the following week to conduct war games for our managers. All of this is related to the event since 9/11 and my career has changed dramatically since that time. I will be working on antiterrorism matters for the rest of my career. I ask all of you to be alert and do no drop your guard, I say this without the intent to alarm any of you. This is still the best damn country on earth and we have it great! I will keep you all posted on my travels and hope that it will settle down some so I can get back to being the pest I use to be in this group! I really want to update my wantlist and dupes box very soon! Next week I will be in Los Angeles and if the Dodgers are in down I am up for a night game, all you Southern Ca. folks please let me know if we can get together! I will be in Tahoe the following week and hopefully back by Thursday for a while! Another Baseball Quote: "You may go a long time without winning, but you never forget that scent." ------Steve Busby as a Royals pitcher Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1832773136: 1970 TOPPS ROBERTO CLEMENTE #350 EX Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 03:05:31 PDT From: amcook93@aol.com Here's a cheap 1970 Clemente if anyone needs one. Title of item: 1970 TOPPS ROBERTO CLEMENTE #350 EX Starts: May-28-02 19:25:09 PDT Ends: Jun-02-02 19:25:09 PDT Price: Starts at $5.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1832773136 Item Description: 1970 TOPPS ROBERTO CLEMENTE #350, EX CONDITION, MODERATE CORNER WEAR. WINNER PAYS $2 SHIPPING. Click to see how ChannelAdvisor powers enterprises of all sizes! On May-29-02 at 08:15:18 PDT, seller added the following information: Pay me securely with any major credit card through PayPal! function dw(nu){document.write(s1+"ppslpv"+nu+".gif"+s2);} for(i=0;i=0){c1++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].search")).indexOf("BetterSeller")=0){c2++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].search")).indexOf("ListItemForSaleShow")=0){c3++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].hash")).indexOf("ListItemForSaleAutosShow")=0){c4++;}}} for(i=0;i0){s11=document.links[i].search;j=s11.indexOf(f13);if(j0){s11=s11.slice((j+(f13.length)));for(k=0;k=0){var p=new Array();p[0]=document.links[i].protocol;p[1]=document.links[i].hostname;p[2]=document.links[i].pathname;for(j=0;j ") Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:10:23 EDT Subject: Server Question To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Can somebody tell me how I can disconnect from the servers temporarily? ================= Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:46:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: All-Star voting From: "david_skoglund_mn" I had lunch at Subway today and filled out an All-Star ballot. Basicially, I voted for people I knew were't going to win. I think Sosa, Griffey, etc will get in the game without my vote. So, I decided to up the totals of some other guys. I used my write-in vote for Minnie Minoso. Just for the heck of it. ================= Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:31:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Variation Help! Pancho Herrera Item # 1832710903 From: "jmoleta30341" For all of you variation collectors out there: I spotted this card on ebay and bid a couple bucks for it, but now it is over $100! Is this the rare version? As you will see, the "a" is partially missing, but still visible. Please let me know - thanks! ================= Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:19:35 EDT Subject: SABR Convention 6/26-6/30 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 5/30/02 10:13:31 AM, "rayluurs" writes: << Hopefully after SABR convention in Boston next month I will get to looking more carefully to everyones wantlist and hitting a few more of Those I owe. And while I am at it June 26th through June 30 I will be in Boston for Convention Hopefully I can meet up with a New England Contingency or at least get an idea where a good card shop may be found :-) >> Anyone else attending the SABR Convention? I'd be interested in holding a swap session or attending one elsewhere if anyone is interested. The Red Sox are in town that whole week, although getting tickets to see them play the Braves that weekend may prove difficult according to the website. Please drop me a line if you'll be around, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:03:15 EDT Subject: Hollywood Park racetrack big baseball card show To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- the biggest baseball card show in my area - Los Angeles - is this weekend in Inglewood at the Hollywood Park Racetrack- it is in the Casino convention center- me and Tim plan on going maybe tomorrow after i finish teaching my art classes and for sure on Sunday- Sunday is the best day for deals- a lot of the dealers have gambled in the casino and need money on the last day of the show- i have gotten some real good deals on Sunday- a few shows back one dealer who had lost money gambling needed money to pay his hotel bill and sold me over 50 1953 topps for $2 each- and not beaters either- there are good deals to be found at this show- i know because my husband is even seen spending money on cards at this show- this is not a junk modern cards show- last show i saw complete sets of 52 ,54,55 topps for sale- ================= Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 15:11:00 EDT Subject: Re: Variation Help! Pancho Herrera Item # 1832710903 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 5/31/02 8:49:12 AM, "jmoleta30341" writes: << For all of you variation collectors out there: I spotted this card on ebay and bid a couple bucks for it, but now it is over $100! Is this the rare version? As you will see, the "a" is partially missing, but still visible. Please let me know - thanks! >> Something looks funny about this card... like an imperfection/bump in the cardboard where the 'a' should be. There's also two other things that turn me off on it. One is the seller's zero feedback rating. The other is his opening statement in big red letters: "VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS ARE A GREAT INVESTMENT! No bends,No creses,No marks on back. This card is in great condition. If you are a baseball fan....this is a must I am somewhat of a baseball fan and I don't feel the need to have this card - or at least this one in particular anyway. Looks like a scam to me... my two Ken M ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?eBay_item_1832121052_=28Ends_Jun-02-02100342_PDT_=29_-_?Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 19:12:31 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Does someone collect Street & Smith? This seems like a good deal.z http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1832121052 ================= To: Subject: the herrar(a) variation Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 23:53:12 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" comes in several varieties with the "a" fading out. The big price is on themissing "a". Other varieties are arguable as to scarcity and value. The card in any version is overpriced in my opinion as is the Gene Baker card. George Vrechek
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