================= Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:22:15 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Nice low grade Diamond Stars lot From: Dan Austin I'm sure someone will want to pick this one up: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1816057522&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1017707038&indexURL=0&rd=1 Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:46:32 EST Subject: Do you Yahoo??? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: sassyrock@aol.com Hurray for opening day! This is my first posting to Ramblings, so I hope I am sending this message to the right group... I had vowed to stay off the computer for the weekend; When I finally did get back on, I noticed my yahoo.com mail account had 125 messages...I thought this kind of odd, and discovered that over 100 of them were advertisements. I later was venting to my geeky computer friend and she told me something interesting that I thought I'd pass along, since some of you may be yahooligans as well..... If you have yahoo, you may have noticed that several weeks ago they went through a major overhaul of their system. When they came back online, most of their options were reset to the default response. One in particular is the 'marketing preference'...hence all the email! If you go to your account, scroll down until you see 'marketing preference'...click that...apparently the default answer is "yes," which means every company affiliated with yahoo may send me junk mail. Also after all the preferences, if you continue to scroll down you will then see the option for yahoo to share your phone # to these companies was also changed to "yes"...I suggest that if you do not want any of this, change the answers to "no," and save. On further investigation, I also noticed that my phone number was also available. I had to edit that as well. I am not sure if this is the proper forum to send this message, so I apologize if I am in error...I thought since we are affiliated with 'yahoo groups' that quite a few of us may have yahoo and be experiencing some of the same problems I have. thank you for your time, ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:42:56 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: MLB TV package From: Neal Thomas HI all- After much hemming and hawing, I decided to get digital cable through Comcast and then bought the MLB package (instead of a dish). It was a bit cheaper and a whole lot easier, with a great clear picture. My only question now that it is too late for this year, is the MLB package the same for digital cable and the satellite networks. It looks like I get about 5-7 games per night-- I was hoping to get the majority of Red Sox games, but it looks like I'll see about half of them--is this what the dish covers as well? At least the boys won't have to grow up being Phillies fans (with all due respect to Rick and the other Phillies fans in the group!) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Your Hockey Name Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:27:13 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" For all you hockey fans out there, this might just be for you, eh? http://www.maximonline.com/sports/hockey_name/index.asp Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1972 High Numbers Lot Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:45:05 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" This guy doesn't take PayPal, or I'd be in for these! Sounds like perfect OBC material! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817265439 If you win it and end up with some dupes, keep me in mind! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: eBay item 1817666687 (Ends Apr-07-02 162747 PDT ) - 1975 Topps Mini Baseball Lo Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:40:56 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I bid $1 to cancel the BUY IT NOW option. Anyone who is actively working on the set is welcome to outbid me. I've finished my set. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1817666687 ================= Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:38:35 EST Subject: Trade BB for Broncos FB (temporarily) To: From: t206guy@aol.com Before you beat me up... understand that ITS FOR MY BROTHER who is a HUGE Broncos fan. If you have Broncos Cards or Memorbilia,(pennants, etc...) LMK and I can send you some BB cards for it. Looking mostly for pre 1980 stuff. He has all the newer things I think. ================= To: "Tigers Mailing List" , Subject: MLB Website? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:57:47 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Just as a matter of interest, is anyone out there able to get on to the MLB website at all just now? Never mind their crappy Gameday Audio service, it looks as if their whole site is incapable of handling the traffic heading for it. After once again forking out good money for the privilege of listening to something which is free over the normal airwaves, I feel totally cheated and angry that they don't seem to have anticipated that people will want to tune in on Opening Day in large numbers. We're not talking about some sort of back room operation here. Major League Baseball should have the finance behind it with which to provide a reliable service. This is (once again) so damned frustrating!!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:56:09 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bolling Brothers! From: Originaleek@webtv.net Of all the things I've lost over the years, I miss my memory the most! If you read my recent Thanks post, you are aware that I received a 55B Frank Bolling from new guy Larry Gershbach. Now as I'm tucking Frank away in his rightful place in the binder, I'm thinking.......which of the Bolling boys was older, Frank or Milt? Don't ask me why, I just ask myself stuff like that! At any rate, I decided I could check by looking at the backs of their cards, right? Well, there was no Milt Bolling card in any of my Tiger binders. Am I having false memories of Frank & Milt playing together for the Tiger's at least one year? Now before I get flooded with responses like "and you call yourself a Tiger fan" and such, please be aware of how traumatic is for one to discover that a memory as important as this is erroneous. I may have to go under hypnosis or something to restructure all memory banks from the 50's forward. Ok, I have the number to the Crisis Hot line right here, so I'm ready to be traumatized. Put me in touch with reality fellow Tiger fans and baseball experts!! We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 19:05:29 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Rookie, and Some Availables From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Over the weekend, my wife and I saw the new Dennis Quaid movie, The Rookie. My wife picked it, based on some reviews she had read, and who am I to deny my wife the opportunity to see a baseball movie? The movie is rated G, so it has absolutely nothing offensive. The theater was almost full, ranging from young children to grandparents. There are not too many movies these days that can appeal to the entire age range. I thought the movie was a bit schmaltzy, but I still enjoyed it. Of course, its release was timed to the start of the baseball season. Most OBCers should enjoy it. Here are some availables: "The Book" (which I would like to go to someone who has joined OBC in the last year) Baseball Digest: 1972 March May June July September December 1973 April 1955 Topps: 3 44 101 1955 Bowman: 220 1957 Topps: 181 192 219 249 1958 Topps: 119 158 162 279 298 302 308 345 357 379 381 383 413 422 447 1960 Topps: 137 1962 Topps: 78 98 1964 Topps: 279 1965 Topps: 27 80 85 105 1966 Topps: 49 Best wishes, Mike W ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1954 Grey Backs Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:20:18 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Cards 1 thru 50 come with a grey back and were printed in Canada. I have all of 2 of them. Dick Gilkeson listed them in his 1989 variation book. George Vrechek ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Who said we just collect old-timers? Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:32:30 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Again this year there are actually players (2) who apparently have made theopening day rosters who appeared on cards before 1981: Rickey Henderson Boston born 12/25/58 Topps 1980 #482 Mike Morgan Arizona 10/8/59 Topps 1980 #671 Tim Raines Florida 9/16/59 but doesn't look like he had a card in 1980 or 1981. Let me know if you think I missed anyone. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:51:31 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who said we just collect old-timers? To: vrechek@worldnet.att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 4/1/2002 8:33:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, vrechek@worldnet.att.net writes: << Again this year there are actually players (2) who apparently have made the opening day rosters who appeared on cards before 1981: Rickey Henderson Boston born 12/25/58 Topps 1980 #482 Mike Morgan Arizona 10/8/59 Topps 1980 #671 Tim Raines Florida 9/16/59 but doesn't look like he had a card in 1980 or Let me know if you think I missed anyone. George Vrechek >> Tim Raines appears on a 1981 Topps three person rookie card. ================= Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 21:16:04 -0600 To: Subject: 62 Sporting News From: "Don Metz" Parting is such sweet sorrow but there are others on the waiting list. The62 Sporting News heads out tomorrow for the East coast and should arrive after 1500 more miles at the ole Grizzlie's mailbox. Keep an eye out for the Don Metz >>> 04/01/02 17:57 PM >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: There are 15 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Lahman's Data Base From: "Dave Fallen" 2. Re: Tough E-mail From: "Brian Lindholme" 3. CoolPix 3/31 From: Rick & Deb 4. OBC and Yahoo Internet Life From: "Brad Chambers" 5. Re: The Rookie??? From: "jeff sinclair" 6. Re: The Rookie and other ??? From: "rayluurs" 7. Re: hats From: dsh46@aol.com 8. Nice low grade Diamond Stars lot From: Dan Austin 9. Do you Yahoo??? From: sassyrock@aol.com 10. MLB TV package From: Neal Thomas 11. Your Hockey Name From: "Glenn Codere" 12. 1972 High Numbers Lot From: "Glenn Codere" 13. eBay item 1817666687 (Ends Apr-07-02 162747 PDT ) - 1975 Topps Mini Baseball Lo From: "Steve Rittenberg" 14. Trade BB for Broncos FB (temporarily) From: t206guy@aol.com 15. MLB Website? From: "Glenn Codere" Message: 1 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:23:48 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Lahman's Data Base Great news! Lahman's data base for 2001 is now available for downloading at More great news! The data base now contains fields for city, state, and country of birth, debut year, and dates of death. Unfortunately, the data inthe geographical fields stops in 1997. I don't understand this as this information isn't that hard to obtain for recent years. I had already done it for 1999. I plan to gather this information for 1998, 2000, and 2001 andoffer it to anyone who wants it. If you are not familiar with Lahman's data base, it is an awesome resource for baseball researchers. It is a data base that contains complete battingand pitching statistics for MLB from 1871 to 2001. It also contains fielding statistics, team statistics, managerial records, post-season statistics, and more. Best of all it is available at the sensible OBC-style price ofFREE!!! It is available as a MS Access data base (Access 2000). If you don't know how to use Access or some other data base, it won't do you a lot of good, but if you can poke around in a data base the information here is simply awesome. The data is also available as a .CSV file which can be imported intoalmost any data base program, even into a MS Excel spreadsheet. I know at least a couple of other OBCers use this data base. I thought youmight like to know it is available, in case you hadn't heard. -Dave Fallen [This message contained attachments] Message: 2 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:07:26 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Tough E-mail I know that words alone, (if a guy can even come up with any,) are seldom enough to console a heavy heart like yours at this time. I have no sage words of wisdom to make you feel better. But I can say that you do have a place to turn with the brotherhood of OBC. You may or may not have noticed my lack of OBC activity for the last 6 months or more. Much of this could be neatly blamed on being busy at work, or with buying a new home. Truth really is that I just don't feel very happy. My heart is also heavy with a burden. My twin sister in Vermont has been diagnosed with terminal cancer. She faces daily radiation and chemotherapy treatments, and is suffering though great pain and sickness. She will still not live much longer. We are not quite 40 years old. Some of my OBC brothers know of this situation I'm in, although I did not, until this time broadcast such. Pat, it was your message, softly understated, about your Dad that drove me to the keyboard. "He sure was a great guy" I am positive that he is a great guy and very proud of you. OBC is filled with a lot of great guys and we have all had our own troubles, along with many joys , which we can share. I said a prayer for Frank Sweeney in church today, and I added a prayer forthe rest of my OBC friends and the troubles that they encounter. It's a very unique group. God Bless, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough E-mail > Everyone~ > I have been part of this club for 3 or so years, and I recall many of the > e-mails concerning family members. The e-mails act as a bit of therapy I > suppose. Well, yesterday I lost my father in a car accident. He sure was > great guy. I'm thankful that my mother survived the crash (airbag worked) > and that my two boys were not with them. My kids came very close to > traveling with them. The accident happened on the way to my grandmother's > 80th B-day. > Please say a prayer for Frank Sweeney and have a Happy Easter. > Pat > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [This message contained attachments] Message: 3 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:57:36 -0600 From: Rick & Deb Subject: CoolPix 3/31 Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Greg Conway & Rick Svetecz at Busch Stadium THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American Message: 4 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:01:40 From: "Brad Chambers" Subject: OBC and Yahoo Internet Life Don't know how many of you get Yahoo Internet Life (and I hope I'm not like the 10th person to bring this up), but there is a section in the back called most useful web sites, with subject headers. This month one of the subjects was baseball and it had three sites- MLB.com, ESPN.com for baseball news, and.............OBC! It was a short intro of old baseball cards and news. So we once again have been recognized nationally. Congrats to the webmasters and pats on the backs to all. Brad Chambers Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Message: 5 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:35:15 From: "jeff sinclair" Subject: Re: The Rookie??? saw the rookie friday. great flick. took my boys and they loved it. first and possibly only movie i've seen in a loooong time that didn't have foul language. not ONE cuss in the entire movie! the player was jim morris played by the actor dennis quaid. don't know about the paige connection at all but i do remember when morris broke into the bigs. it was a good story then and a better movie now >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rookie??? >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:17:51 EST >hi- this is Linda- i read a review of the movie "the Rookie" today in my >local paper which said it was "the true story of John Morris, who at 35, >became the oldest rookie in major league baseball history."---i also saw a >review of the film on the TV show "Good Morning L A where the guy on TV >Morris was the oldest rookie in major league baseball history - --- Did >Morris guy play BEFORE Ol' Satch??I remember seeing a movie on TV about >Satchel Paige when i was a kid and apparently Satch was still living >at the end of the movie they showed him in a rocking chair on a baseball >field- i don't remember who played him in that movie- was it Lou >Gossett,jr?.i really liked that movie about Paige- isn't it Dennis Squid- >Squaid or somebody in the Rookie????Linda Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Message: 6 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:51:00 -0000 From: "rayluurs" Subject: Re: The Rookie and other ??? There is one problem with the accruacy of the movie, whether it is relevant or not. Jim Morris wasnt the oldes rookie in the major leagues.......that would go to Diomedes Olivio who pitched for the Pirates and cardinals form 1960-62 he was 41 at the time with a birth date of 1/22/19 and a major league debut of 9/5-60. However having seen the trailer i too can't wait to see the movie. Another question I have as I watch the Indians/Angels game..to me it just doesnt seem like opening day (and I dont mean watching the snow come down this morning either) it the tradition of the game like why arent the Reds opening up like they have done for 125 years. Just something to ponder as I have no life> Message: 7 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:46:08 EST From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Re: hats Mark me down for a hat and corresponding funds. I have one of the old red ones, but haven't seen it in ages as it's probably in my son's closet--he's an inveterate hat-wearer. This is a great idea all around. One suggestion for Northeast US distro is the next Ft. Washington show--which I am tentatively planning on attending (my first). Tacoma Dome show might work for the Northwesteners, the National for some of you others (it's midwest again this year, right?). Well, just a thought. Message: 8 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 08:22:15 -0500 From: Dan Austin Subject: Nice low grade Diamond Stars lot I'm sure someone will want to pick this one up: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1816057522&r0&t0&showTutorial0&ed1017707038&indexURL0&rd1 Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare Message: 9 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 09:46:32 EST From: sassyrock@aol.com Subject: Do you Yahoo??? Hurray for opening day! This is my first posting to Ramblings, so I hope I am sending this message to the right group... I had vowed to stay off the computer for the weekend; When I finally did get back on, I noticed my yahoo.com mail account had 125 messages...I thought this kind of odd, and discovered that over 100 of them were advertisements. I later was venting to my geeky computer friend and she told me something interesting that I thought I'd pass along, since some of you may be yahooligans as well..... If you have yahoo, you may have noticed that several weeks ago they went through a major overhaul of their system. When they came back online, most of their options were reset to the default response. One in particular is the 'marketing preference'...hence all the email! If you go to your account, scroll down until you see 'marketing preference'...click that...apparently the default answer is "yes," which means every company affiliated with yahoo may send me junk mail. Also after all the preferences, if you continue to scroll down you will then see the option for yahoo to share your phone # to these companies was also changed to "yes"...I suggest that if you do not want any of this, change the answers to "no," and save. On further investigation, I also noticed that my phone number was also available. I had to edit that as well. I am not sure if this is the proper forum to send this message, so I apologize if I am in error...I thought since we are affiliated with 'yahoo groups' that quite a few of us may have yahoo and be experiencing some of the same problems I have. thank you for your time, [This message contained attachments] Message: 10 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:42:56 -0500 (EST) From: Neal Thomas Subject: MLB TV package HI all- After much hemming and hawing, I decided to get digital cable through Comcast and then bought the MLB package (instead of a dish). It was a bit cheaper and a whole lot easier, with a great clear picture. My only question now that it is too late for this year, is the MLB package the same for digital cable and the satellite networks. It looks like I get about 5-7 games per night-- I was hoping to get the majority of Red Sox games, but it looks like I'll see about half of them--is this what the dish covers as well? At least the boys won't have to grow up being Phillies fans (with all due respect to Rick and the other Phillies fans in the group!) Message: 11 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:27:13 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: Your Hockey Name For all you hockey fans out there, this might just be for you, eh? http://www.maximonline.com/sports/hockey_name/index.asp Glasgow, Scotland [This message contained attachments] Message: 12 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 17:45:05 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: 1972 High Numbers Lot This guy doesn't take PayPal, or I'd be in for these! Sounds like perfect OBC material! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1817265439 If you win it and end up with some dupes, keep me in mind! Glasgow, Scotland [This message contained attachments] Message: 13 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 12:40:56 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: eBay item 1817666687 (Ends Apr-07-02 162747 PDT ) - 1975 Topps Mini Baseball Lo I bid $1 to cancel the BUY IT NOW option. Anyone who is actively working on the set is welcome to outbid me. I've finished my set. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1817666687 [This message contained attachments] Message: 14 Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 14:38:35 EST From: t206guy@aol.com Subject: Trade BB for Broncos FB (temporarily) Before you beat me up... understand that ITS FOR MY BROTHER who is a HUGE Broncos If you have Broncos Cards or Memorbilia,(pennants, etc...) LMK and I can send you some BB cards for it. Looking mostly for pre 1980 stuff. He has all the newer things I think. Message: 15 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:57:47 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: MLB Website? Just as a matter of interest, is anyone out there able to get on to the MLB website at all just now? Never mind their crappy Gameday Audio service, it looks as if their whole site is incapable of handling the traffic heading for it. After once again forking out good money for the privilege of listening to something which is free over the normal airwaves, I feel totally cheated and angry that they don't seem to have anticipated that people will want to tune in on Opening Day in large numbers. We're not talking about some sort of back room operation here. Major League Baseball should have the finance behind it with which to provide a reliable service. This is (once again) so damned frustrating!!! Glasgow, Scotland [This message contained attachments] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:15:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking for investors From: "rbhankins" Hi guys, I hope this post doesn't violate any rules, but I figure, what better place is there to find investors for this venture? This business plan is based on the premise that although "game used" cards are quite popular and apparently profitable, they are not the "ultimate" item for collectors who want to get as to the game as possible. Rather than putting a chip of a bat or a little square from a jersey on the card, my new company will put fingernail clippings, hair clippings, scabs, used bandaids, and the like right there next to the player's picture. Think about it: Why would anyone settle for owning a "piece of the game" when they can own a piece of their favorite player? We've still got a details to iron out, such as how to work the certificates of authenticity, but I think this idea is a winner. Drop me a line if you'd like to get in on the ground floor. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:15:34 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors From: Neal Thomas Two points: 1) You have too much time on your hands! 2) If you don't get Ruben Rivera onboard, the investment isn't worth it. But if his is in, so am I. I hear he can corner the marker on Arod nosehair! And imagine the other booty he can get, and the variations. How about a combination John Rocker toe nail and Carl Everett underarm hair on the same card. As the commercial says: PRICELESS! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "rbhankins" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors Date: 04/02/2002 03:15am Hi guys, I hope this post doesn't violate any rules, but I figure, what better place is there to find investors for this This business plan is based on the premise that although "game used" cards are quite popular and apparently profitable, they are not the "ultimate" item for collectors who want to get as to the game as possible. Rather than putting a chip of a bat or a little square from a jersey on the card, my new company will put fingernail clippings, hair clippings, scabs, used bandaids, and the like right there next to the player's picture. Think about it: Why would anyone settle for owning a "piece of the game" when they can own a piece of their favorite player? We've still got a details to iron out, such as how to work the certificates of authenticity, but I think this idea is a winner. Drop me a line if you'd like to get in on the ground floor. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- Buy Stock for $4. No Minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6GDALA/VovDAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 22:25:53 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors To: rhankins@mcguirewoods.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com You can't be serious! ================= To: "rbhankins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 19:51:33 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Gosh, this sounds like a pretty good idea! I have made many many successful investments in the past, including 8-Track, Beta, Nortel, and Enron. I hope to get in early on this one...it's another "can't miss" type of investment that a guy really shouldn't shy away from. Over the years I have been smart enough to avoid stupid investments like Hula-Hoops, Beanie-Babies, and some idiot-level company called Microsoft. Where do I send my money? (Never mind, all I really want is an OBC hat.) Hi guys, I hope this post doesn't violate any rules, but I figure, what better place is there to find investors for this venture? This business plan is based on the premise that although "game used" cards are quite popular and apparently profitable, they are not the "ultimate" item for collectors who want to get as to the game as possible. Rather than putting a chip of a bat or a little square from a jersey on the card, my new company will put fingernail clippings, hair clippings, scabs, used bandaids, and the like right there next to the player's picture. Think about it: Why would anyone settle for owning a "piece of the game" when they can own a piece of their favorite player? We've still got a details to iron out, such as how to work the certificates of authenticity, but I think this idea is a winner. Drop me a line if you'd like to get in on the ground floor. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:16:26 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" What if we got a spit cup (say half full) from Lenny Dykstra? Could we get that onto the card somehow? ----- Original Message ----- From: "rbhankins" To: Sent: Monday, April 01, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors > Hi guys, I hope this post doesn't violate any rules, but I > figure, what better place is there to find investors for this venture? > This business plan is based on the premise that although "game > used" cards are quite popular and apparently profitable, they are > not the "ultimate" item for collectors who want to get as > close > to the game as possible. Rather than putting a chip of a bat or a > little square from a jersey on the card, my new company will put > fingernail clippings, hair clippings, scabs, used bandaids, and the > like right there next to the player's picture. Think about it: > Why would anyone settle for owning a "piece of the game" when > they can own a piece of their favorite player? We've still got a > few > details to iron out, such as how to work the certificates of > authenticity, but I think this idea is a winner. Drop me a line if > you'd like to get in on the ground floor. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 23:25:18 EST Subject: Opening Day highlights To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com Hey gang- Jim Wiehe and two of his friends made the trek from Omaha to KC for the opener with the Twins, which made for a great excuse to duck out of work a little earlier and head to Kaufmann Stadium. There were a number of highlights, besides getting together again with fellow Twins fan Jim, which 1. The Twins won! The Twins are on pace to go 162-0 this year. 2. The Twins hit five home runs, including a lead off homer and game winning 3 three homer by Jacque Jones! Jacque is on pace to hit well over 350 homers this year. 3. We had "standing room only" seats, which is a cool concept. For a mere $7 (I still owe you Jim) you get to sit in some empty seats just behind home plate! Great seats. 4. Also, one of the funniest things I have ever seen at a ball park... You know how they will do cheesy things from time to time and let some fan get on diamond vision? Well, some guy decided to pop the question to his girlfriend, who clearly wasn't expecting to be proposed to in front of a sold out crowd. He takes her hand, gets down on a knee, pulls out the little box and pops the question. The girl freaks out, shakes her head and clearly says "no" and starts to stomp off! Then, she turns around and goes back to him and throws the contents of her glass in his face! All captured clearly and transmitted on the stadium screen. The capture went wild, which only added to the embarrassment of both the guy and the girl. May the joy and hope that comes from Opening Day be with each of you throughout the season! ================= Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 04:38:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Who said we just collect old-timers? From: "yukchow" I believe 86' Met hero Jesse Orosco is still playing for the Dodgers. I think he's the only player left that's older than me (He's born in 57, I'm born in 58). May he pitches on for another 10 years. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., amcook93@a... wrote: > In a message dated 4/1/2002 8:33:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, > vrechek@w... writes: > << Again this year there are actually players (2) who apparently have made > the opening day rosters who appeared on cards before 1981: > Rickey Henderson Boston born 12/25/58 Topps 1980 #482 > Mike Morgan Arizona 10/8/59 Topps 1980 #671 > Tim Raines Florida 9/16/59 but doesn't look like he had a card in 1980 or > 1981. > Let me know if you think I missed anyone. > George Vrechek >> > Tim Raines appears on a 1981 Topps three person rookie card. > Andy ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Cool Santo! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 9:16:17 +0000 From: Sorry about this, guys, but the first thing that went through my mind on reading this post by Geno was how well it tied in with Richard's idea of cards featuring bits of players. Does anyone else in OBC have a mind as twisted as mine? Glasgow, Scotland > From: "Geno Wagner" > Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 20:13:57 -0800 > To: , > > Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Cool Santo! > Hello OBC! > Thanks go out today to Earl, the EEKster, for a very cool Ron Santo card! Santo is the one player not in the HOF that most deserves to be. Maybe it's because three of his teammates (Banks, Williams, and Jenkins) are all in and three is enough for a team that never won. Santo was the fire in the Cubs, and still is as a fan and radioman. I'm not sure if he is calling games this year after loosing a limb to diabetes a few months ago. He's a class act and I hope Cooperstown opens the doors to a the old thirdbaseman who finished with five Gold Gloves, 342 dingers, over 1300 RBI, and a .277 average. Thanks Earl! > Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:23:56 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Investment proposal! From: Originaleek@webtv.net After reading Richard's post regarding putting "pieces of players" on cards. I was rather shocked. Then the responses started coming in and I could not believe the crude, sick & demented ideas being posted. I thought to myself, is this why I joined OBC? Is this the type of group I want to belong to? YES! Hey Richard, I have some thoughts about Hockey We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:40:36 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: POP! From: Originaleek@webtv.net I have to report for jury duty later this morning so I have extra time. Now, that third cup of coffee got me thinking more about POP (Pieces Of Players). Surgeries: knee ligaments, rotators, bone spurs, the list goes on. Then there is dental floss, and professional cleanings: tartar & such. Ear wax, hey this has promise! I better quit, my thoughts are going in the toilet, better not go there. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC Hats (continued) Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 10:48:41 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Here's an update / recap -- Enough money has been pledged that Lynn Miller and I are confident aboutgoing forward and no one being stuck with a large bill. -- I plan to ask the OBC Advisort Committee (AC) about using OBC as a depository for the hat fund. I don't want to do this until Doug Smith (OBC Treasurer) returns from his trip and gives his approval. -- Lynn is having a prototype made which should be ready in 10 days. After the rest of us see a picture of it, then we will commit. -- As I said previously, we want to order 150 hats. This is enough for everybody. The only people who might not get a hat are ones who already have one AND don't want another. Otherwise, EXPECT A HAT whether you explicitly tell me you are interested or not. :-) -- Some unknowns have crept in regarding costs. Nothing major I assure you but Customs duties and shipping costs (from Manila to the US and to final destination) can't be nailed down in advance. -- These hats should be as nice as any others you own. A few people said "why not MADE IN USA hats"? I looked at all the hats I own and NONE weremade in the USA but all are quality. These hats will have be adjusable and have the proper labels in them. The only thing missing will me a US distributor markup. Hahaha -- The date of delivery of the hats to each of you will depend on what method we use for shipping (from Manila to US and from US to owner). I know about the upcoming OBC gatherings (V02, Tigers Game, National). If someone wants to do some legwork now and figure out shipping costs (how do you mail hats anyway?) from here to various points around the US, that would be abig -- I slipped in to that last bullet that I am going to be taking delivery of that hats. That is based on "I don't want to give anyone else the headache of coordinating delivery". From a cost & logistical standpoint, it makes sense to have one point of entry into the US. If someone else wants to step up and take responsibility for delivery, thats AWESOME. The person who takes delivery may have to front some shipping costs but the use of a HAT FUND means that everything should eventually be paid by the members. -- The more I think about how I want to ship the hats from here to various places around the country, the more attractive Mailboxes Etc sounds. We'll pay a bit more but they've done this thing before. Let me know if you have questions. ================= Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 19:03:02 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Homerun Pace From: Michael Wierzbicki Bonds hit 2 homers today, putting him on a pace for 324. ================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:20:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors To: rhankins@mcguirewoods.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I'm going to wait and see how the Guru of Ballcard Investments checks in on this. I think this may be the big hit he has been waiting for! Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors Date: 4/1/02 10:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time From: rhankins@mcguirewoods.com (rbhankins) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Hi guys, I hope this post doesn't violate any rules, but I figure, what better place is there to find investors for this venture? This business plan is based on the premise that although "game used" cards are quite popular and apparently profitable, they are not the "ultimate" item for collectors who want to get as to the game as possible. Rather than putting a chip of a bat or a little square from a jersey on the card, my new company will put fingernail clippings, hair clippings, scabs, used bandaids, and the like right there next to the player's picture. Think about it: Why would anyone settle for owning a "piece of the game" when they can own a piece of their favorite player? We've still got a details to iron out, such as how to work the certificates of authenticity, but I think this idea is a winner. Drop me a line if you'd like to get in on the ground floor. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (rly-xb05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.106]) by air-xb05.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXB52-0401222000; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:20:00 -0500 Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by rly-xb05.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXB53-0401221941; Mon, 01 Apr 2002 22:19:41 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:15:07 -0000 X-Sender: rhankins@mcguirewoods.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 2 Apr 2002 03:15:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 56344 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2002 03:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Apr 2002 03:15:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2002 03:15:06 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.162] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Apr 2002 03:15:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "rbhankins" X-Originating-IP: 63.239.166.145 X-Yahoo-Profile: rbhankins MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 03:15:02 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for investors ================= Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2002 21:55:14 -0500 Subject: Baseball's back and so is Catfish (kinda...) To: OBC Ramblings From: Jimmy Parker Hey Guys and Girls, Just wanted to drop a note and explain my absence over the last few months. First, a little background. I initially moved back home to SC in the fall of 1999 just a few months after getting my Masters degree in Communications/Advertising. I returned home from Missoula, Montana when my Mom was diagnosed with cervical cancer. Being a Mama's Boy through and through, there was no way I could've stayed that far from home during that, so I came back home. Mom is doing fine now, thank the Lord, but I stayed out of work for 3 months while driving her 4 hours round trip to her treatments each day. As for the job search, I had all the optimism of a recent graduate, but between being in SC (not a hotbed of advertising activity!) and a slumping economy, I've had about 4 different jobs around the area since then. Well, I was laid off from job #4 way back in July of last year and have been gainfully unemployed since, not counting my current PT gig at the local video store, which I had to pick up when my unemployment benefits and savings ran out . So, things have been a little hectic the last few months. I haven't had too much time or money for cards. Money pays bills and time is being spent of job searching/new advertising portfolio work/odd jobs here and there. I apologize for not getting repayment packages out or even thank you's out to the thanks server. But, the baseball season is now in full swing, flowers are starting to bloom, and things are starting to look brighter, as they always eventually do. I don't have anything lined up job-wise, but I'm hearing from some of my friends lucky enough to still have jobs in the advertising industry that things are starting to pick up a bit, and I am now in the process of getting my certification to teach Art in the SC public schools. I had never thought of it before, but the more I think about it and read about it, the more I see that it could be a great, rewarding career for me. I'm very excited, and confident that by the fall I will be well on my way with one career or the Still unsure of how much OBC activity I'll be able to afford before then. Worst case scenario would be going to Inactive status for awhile. Can anyone (OBCAC members?) give me a better idea of how this works, and what I would need to do in the future to be reinstated? I would never want to leave this group outright. I haven't exactly been the most active of members during my 2 years, but you guys mean more to me than I can express in words. Not only have you guys given me some great cardboard, but stories, laughs, tears, jokes, etc. Not only have I learned a great deal about cards, but I've become a student of the game. I've always known Mantle, Mays, Aaron, etc. but it's because of you guys, your love for the game and ALL its players that I've become a member of SABR, learned about the Stan Hacks, the Billy Hoefts, the Ken Lehmans, etc. I really can't say thank you enough. Well, before everyone starts to wonder why I've kidnapped Ken and made him type my emails I'm going to get off of here. Just wanted to give a "quick" :-) status report. I hope all is well with you and yours, and I hope to get back into some type of OBC "action" soon, even if on a limited scale. Save the gum for me... ================= Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:10:52 EST Subject: Fwd: Halfrubber To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com From: TRIPLEPLAY@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 22:09:45 EST Subject: Fwd: Halfrubber To: TPLY@aol.com From: TRIPLEPLAY@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 20:54:22 EST Subject: Fwd: Halfrubber To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Tannie Walter Ellison To: "'THID-BIT@aol.com'" Subject: Halfrubber Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 16:18:33 -0600 I enjoyed your Sunday March 31st Morning News article about Halfrubber. That is the correct spelling for me as I am from Savannah Georgia where the game was invented. In Savannah Halfrubber is not hyphened because it has been used so long as one word. Lots of folks like to claim the game especially those from the city of Charleston! I am more inclined to believe Savannah is the birthplace because, one my Dad told me so and two research was done by a gent named Dan Smith for a book he titled Halfrubber the Savannah Game published in the late seventies. In it he documents this by interviewing those who played the game and found the earliest known games were played in the streets and lanes of Savannah. He did find early evidence of the game in Charleston but at best ten to fifteen years after the real beginnings. Many believe the game evolved on the poor side of town. Two reasons, one, before Halfrubber, kids in Savannah sailed bottle caps and hit them with a fence picket. They were too poor to buy equipment and made things on hand work. The other is that no poor Savannah boy would buy a new ball if he could still get play out of an old one. It only makes sense a half ball game would evolve from this I believe the game could have traveled to Charleston and areas like Florence via the Rail Road (My Dad once worked for the ACL) as you made mention in your article. I also know that Savannah's sons, myself include, carried Halfrubber with them when we went off to serve our country. I shared this game with my buddies in Nam. I found even the best stickball/cork-ball hitters had trouble dealing with the Halfrubber and its movement, but most learn to hit before they mastered pitching, I shared many a laugh as beginner's skills were displayed. I was once in Virginia where my brother was training to be a Customs Agent and we were playing in the hotel parking lot some one from the balcony yelled down, could he play? We of course said yes, and thought we would have chance to teach a first timer. Sharing this game excites all true Savannah Halfrubber players. Turns out he was from Savannah, this was even better we had a great game of "cutthroat" going a few moments latter. My family has always played the game and still does even today, I am still agile enough at 53, and the elders of my clan at every family reunion take on the youngsters and beat them. This past Thanksgiving the reunion was held at Myrtle Beach (they also claim the game) and the "Fatboyz" as we call ourselves beat the "Kids" 15 to 4. The game was stopped bottom of the fifth with the 'Fatboyz" still at bat, no outs. Rick my middle brother was the one batting, he had them frustrated, he was in a groove and nothing they threw was getting by the 51 year old. He is a pretty good lead off batter softens-up the pitching staff for us real old guys and he can pitch well when needed, left-handed. I didn't get to bat again the game stopped. It was a win for me I was starting pitcher. I am often the pitcher with my 58-year-old uncle catching. We do a good job as a battery as we have played together since I was little, 40 something years. Lee, my uncle, can catch any thing I throw, at times will drop one tricking the batter who now believes a free swing is possible. We prove that deception and maturity can and does beat youth and impatience on the Halfrubber field.. We stopped because Mom's rule. Any game stops when players hear the call Breakfast/lunch/diner/supper is served. The game has survived despite the fact balls and bats became scarce. The old broom or mop handle that we would risk a beating from mom to get is no longer made of material strong enough for the game, breaks to easy. Rubber balls from the Five and Dime went the way of the Five and Dime. Those of us who love to play found other sources for the bat and bought every rubber ball we saw while convincing our shopping wives to always keep an eye out for a possible source of good rubber ball stock. I think it paid off. A few years back I was sitting on the front porch swing with my 90 year old Grandmother on one side and my next to youngest nephew Chase on the other side watching others play the game I love so. I heard him say to Grandmother and me "Halfrubber is a tradition in our family isn't it". Then he smiled. Grandmother smiled and nodded. So did I!! Tannie Ellison Estimatics Team Manager State Farm Auto Insurance 130 Dunbarton Drive Florence SC 843-678-4302 Wk 2604 Triple Crown Drive Florence SC 29505 ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] POP! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:10:16 -0800 From: "yaz" Marcus Giles of the Braves just had a hemmoroid surgery. Think we can get some samples? Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:40 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] POP! > I have to report for jury duty later this morning so I have extra time. > Now, that third cup of coffee got me thinking more about POP (Pieces Of > Players). Surgeries: knee ligaments, rotators, bone spurs, the list goes > on. Then there is dental floss, and professional cleanings: tartar & > such. Ear wax, hey this has promise! I better quit, my thoughts are > going in the toilet, better not go there. > We keep what we give away! > EEK > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] POP! Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 21:17:15 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Maybe he can do a commercial with Don Zimmer.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "yaz" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] POP! > Marcus Giles of the Braves just had a hemmoroid surgery. Think we can get > some samples? > Greg (yaz) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 4:40 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] POP! > > I have to report for jury duty later this morning so I have extra > > Now, that third cup of coffee got me thinking more about POP (Pieces Of > > Players). Surgeries: knee ligaments, rotators, bone spurs, the list goes > > on. Then there is dental floss, and professional cleanings: tartar > > such. Ear wax, hey this has promise! I better quit, my thoughts > > going in the toilet, better not go there. > > > > We keep what we give away! > > EEK > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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There are 5 (five) - so the first 5 responses will get the exclusive opportunity to embark (or continue) on the path of obTaining These True Tipton Treasures and Tucking Them inTo The recepTicle That Tickles your Thoughts! Are you ready? I knew you EXCLUSIVE TIPTON TYPE SETS These are only a beginning. When Burdock began cataloging cards in the 1950ies he never had time to get around to these (hence no letter designations like "X" cards etc..). But these are truly "types" unto themselves. How can anyone call themselves a collector without beginning a set of these well loved beauties - and the best thing about them is that the variety is unlimited! For all of you out there who are running out of things to collect - well this is one set that you may never finish! You only have them all when you feel that you have had "enough!" 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We have here in these examples two fine groupings of cards with the unique TRADED designations - that is the team name has been changed or otherwise obliterated and a new one has been inserted (in most cases). The best thing about these cards is that these players may not have even been traded in 1968 or 1969 - but they were eventually traded to the team depicted on their card (or the previous owner really wanted them to be...) so these may even be 1970 or 1971 Traded Sets as well! So come and get 'em - they are both truly 'one of a kind' sets! 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For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 09:17:18 EST Subject: Re: OBC Hats (continued) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 4/2/02 7:22:31 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << -- The date of delivery of the hats to each of you will depend on what method we use for shipping (from Manila to US and from US to owner). I know about the upcoming OBC gatherings (V02, Tigers Game, National). If someone wants to do some legwork now and figure out shipping costs (how do you mail hats anyway?) from here to various points around the US, that would be a big help. -- I slipped in to that last bullet that I am going to be taking delivery of that hats. That is based on "I don't want to give anyone else the headache of coordinating delivery". From a cost & logistical standpoint, it makes sense to have one point of entry into the US. If someone else wants to step up and take responsibility for delivery, thats AWESOME. The person who takes delivery may have to front some shipping costs but the use of a HAT FUND means that everything should eventually be paid by the members. >> I was thinking about it and (bad pun alert) I'm throwing my hat into the ring for this project. I'm planning on attending at least three OBC gatherings in the near future (V02, Ft. Washington, The Nationals), plus I live near a few more OBC'ers... we should get together for a Sox game sometime now that I think of it. Anyway, the only problem Steve mentioned is how to ship the hats to people I won't see in person. I guess I'll need a few boxes. (Another bad pun alert) I put on my thinking cap... Now where am I gonna get a bunch of boxes that are the right size.... HEY!! I work with boxes all night long... every shape and size - I'm so sick of boxes. I could very easily save a few ...or a few hundred if I wanted to ship everyone's hat individually. Plus it'll give me an excuse to send out cards to a few people. (Still another bad pun alert) Hats off to Steve for getting this off the ground - I'll be there to finish it off if he wants. TAYL, Ken M - a man of many hats... ugh ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: the mick, bill henderson style... Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 06:41:13 -0800 From: "jcollins12" Clearly an OBC type card. But even for Mantle, does anyone out there really think this card is worth the buy-it-now price or even the opening bid? Another Bill Henderson classic.... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818374521 Take Care, ================= Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 17:06:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Recent happenings From: "yukchow" To those who sent me cards recently, Thank you. I have been very slow to reciprocate. I have noted them down and will return the There are some recent ramblings about illnesses and death in the extended OBC family. My heart goes out to those who were affected. I debated about this but I thought I would also share what's been happening at my home. My 15 year old son was hospitalized last month for 12 days, for a medical condition that affects his mental health. Diagnosis is probably schizophreniform disorder, a precursor to schizophrenia. I was shocked as it came out of nowhere. He is home now, taking anti-pyschotic medication. It'll be a long road ahead, however, with therapy and medication. The positive aspect is that it was caught early and today's medical science has made signicant advances in psychiatric treatments. My wife and I understand it's our cross to bear and we are ready for the challenges. Things are not too rosy on the work front either. The company I worked for is downsizing again. For the past ten years, we've been averaging one to two layoffs a year, going from about 6000 to about 300 or so. Yes, a mere 5% of what it once was. It's not fun anymore. I'm seriously contemplating volunteering for layoff this time around. I can use a break and spend some time at home. Is this the infamous midlife crisis I'm going through? I guess one thing that's constant in life is change. Different phases brings different challenges. We just have to make the best of them. I do intend to continue collecting/trading/buying baseball cards. It's great therapy for me. But maybe to a slightly lesser extent due to the time and energy involved. A new baseball season has just started. Here's hoping everyone have a great year. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: eBay item 255419593 (Ends Feb-13-00 201353 PST) - END EBAY ADDICTION GET THE EB Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2002 13:40:17 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Ain't science wonderful? http://www.whattheheck.com/ebay/ebaypatch.html ================= Date: Wed, 03 Apr 2002 19:52:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: fav 70 set poll has 17 votes/Country music/Raines/Canseco/Rickey From: "gtx_usa" We have 17 votes currently (2:34PM EDT) which is 5 votes away from breaking the all time OBC record (see OBC_RAMBLINGS not OBC-RAMBLINGS) of 21 different members voting (at the site). This happened during the "Pete Rose HOF poll". Can we get 5 more votes in less than 14 hours or so? The "LEAST fav 70 set" poll has 16 votes. Note: We have had more votes before, but it was during a poll that allowed multiple answers. Also note when I do polls I make the results hidden until the poll is closed as I think displaying them as we go, would definitely effect the voting (ie. hiding them gets more accurate info out of members) . Glad to hear Rickey is on a roster I just wish it was the Braves. I've always liked watching him play. Canseco was cut by Montreal to my dismay. Has anyone else signed him yet? I'd like to see him get a few more HRs. Raines had a Topps (3 player Expos) & Donruss (by himself) card in 81 but no Fleer card, if I remember correct. Someone made a comment about 2 months ago about a COUNTRY SINGER/SONG or such in ref to a late 60s Topps set. What is that all about? Keith ================= Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 03:23:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bad Trader alert!! From: "kevin71058" I just received this from a member in Trading Bases. This person seems to have problems and is a high risk if you trade with him so please stay clear of him. "I am polling a few names from his list, itemized below, but I'm wondering if there is any chance that you too, might have heard of this guy. (Sean McDonough - sportguysean@yahoo.ca) I have been corresponding with him for about a week; just pulled about 1200 cards for him, then I get this in the mail. Sheesh. I don't mind pulling the cards, that was fun, but I most definitely don't want to have to go and put them all back. That WONT be fun! I'm also waiting for his next correspondence I sent in response to this letter, but I'm not under the belief that he doesn't have the cards for me that he said he did. ...some daze we win; some daze just come and go... Sean McDonough wrote: I am sorry you had to go to such a bother for me.You need refferences that i can't give,do you know why i can't give tenm to you?it is because i have no friends and i am a fuck up,I have e-mailed a lot of people in the last few days,who won't recieve cards from me.If it means anything to you,i wasent going to go through with this with you anyway,you are one of the only people who were nice to me,and i thankyou for that,when you have grown up the way i have you dont really make a lot of friends,and the truth is,this computer is all i have,I live in a very small bording house,where we share a bathroom with 4 other people, and my greatest joy in life is waiting for the mailman to come,and see if he has anything for me!how sad is I am very sorry i have done this to you and your friends,if there was some way i could send them back i would,but i am unable to work,and all i get from assistance is enough for my room and board. It wasen't all lies though,i do have 2 young boys who i was going to give the cards to anyway,i am only allowed to see them on holidays and birthdays. Walker,would you mind if me and you kept talking? you are just nso nice.we could talk about whatever you want,I just get lonly sometimes. Below is a list of people i found through yahoo good baseball traders serch,who i have made trades with, you may want to get in touch with them about there cards,Man,I really wish i dident do this,i wish this diden't happen. if anyone here is a friend of yours,i am truly ================= Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:22:06 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Poll ends 4-3-02. Email votes aren't counted (sorry). Which is your LEAST fav reg issue Topps set of the 70s? CHOICES AND RESULTS - 1970, 2 votes, 12.50% - 1971, 1 votes, 6.25% - 1972, 1 votes, 6.25% - 1973, 1 votes, 6.25% - 1974, 1 votes, 6.25% - 1975, 3 votes, 18.75% - 1976, 0 votes, 0.00% - 1977, 2 votes, 12.50% - 1978, 2 votes, 12.50% - 1979, 3 votes, 18.75% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - 1970 - tnbw@gci.net - dan@iamdanaustin.com - 1971 - keithsummers@webtv.net - 1972 - LUURSCJG@aol.com - 1973 - RWP521@AOL.COM - 1974 - nthomas@pol.net - 1975 - Originaleek@webtv.net - dcbbl@aol.com - MatShirley@aol.com - 1976 - 1977 - Sweendoger@aol.com - tldietrick@yahoo.com - 1978 - okeedokee@pipeline.com - david.skoglund@att.net - 1979 - jimbo777777@yahoo.com - mattglidden@attbi.com - talbot1@comcast.net For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:22:05 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: Poll ends 4-3-02. Email votes aren't counted (sorry). What's your fav reg issue Topps set from the 70s? CHOICES AND RESULTS - 1970, 0 votes, 0.00% - 1971, 3 votes, 17.65% - 1972, 9 votes, 52.94% - 1973, 1 votes, 5.88% - 1974, 0 votes, 0.00% - 1975, 3 votes, 17.65% - 1976, 0 votes, 0.00% - 1977, 0 votes, 0.00% - 1978, 1 votes, 5.88% - 1979, 0 votes, 0.00% INDIVIDUAL VOTES - 1970 - 1971 - jimbo777777@yahoo.com - LUURSCJG@aol.com - tnbw@gci.net - 1972 - keithsummers@webtv.net - tldietrick@yahoo.com - nthomas@pol.net - dcbbl@aol.com - RWP521@AOL.COM - mattglidden@attbi.com - talbot1@comcast.net - dan@iamdanaustin.com - MatShirley@aol.com - 1973 - Sweendoger@aol.com - 1974 - 1975 - okeedokee@pipeline.com - tply@aol.com - david.skoglund@att.net - 1976 - 1977 - 1978 - Originaleek@webtv.net - 1979 For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 04:01:42 -0500 Subject: oddballs From: Bob Saxton Someone posted a interest in oddball cards recently, but I deleted the message inadvertently. I have some cards that may be of interest if that person wants to resend that email to me. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Subject: Available: 76 Ryan and Thorpe Wheaties box Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 12:34:47 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, It's as the subject says, I've got FCFS availables of 1976 T #330 Nolan Ryan, missing some paper on the front and also a recently emptied Jim Thorpe Wheaties box, if there's anyone out there collecting them that still needs this one. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: Subject: 8-Pocket Sheets Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:07:23 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- I have been looking for Ultra-Pro 8-pocket sheets forever, but it seems they are hard to come by (not as bad as the 15-pocket though). Anyway, this guy has them for $20 (postage paid) for a box of 100 sheets. It seems like a decent deal to me at 20 cents apiece, so I thought I would pass it along if anybody else is looking for them... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "john penuel" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:39 AM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > Yes, a 100 ct box will cost $20.00 TOTAL and that includes shipping. > Thanks > JP > -----Original Message----- > From: illini90@earthlink.net > To: sportscardsplus@esn.net > Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:09 PM > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > >Do you sell the 8 pocket pages by the box? Thanks! > >-------------------- > > > > > >Question from: illini90 > >Title of item: 20 - 8 POCKET ULTRA PRO COLLECTOR PAGES > >Seller: jpenterprises > >Starts: Apr-01-02 14:34:15 PST > >Ends: Apr-06-02 14:34:15 PST > >Price: Starts at $3.00 > >To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817963881 > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > > ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:26:22 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: 1972 is Fav reg issue 70 set From: keithsummers@webtv.net From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:22:05 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:02:01 EST Subject: thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have some cards from the Target stores Dodgers set which susposidly includes all Dodger players up to 1990- this set sure must be thorough and comprehensive because i noticed a card of a player who was only in 7 games for the Dodgers in 1943 , was an infielder , and only got 2 hits- he was Al Campanis- i wonder if this is his only card?- Does anyone know what he is doing today?- i vaguely remember that name in the news with the Dodgers =anyone know what he is doing now? - This set is a real education in that it pictures players on cards i associate with other teams and i didn't know they played with the Dodgers- it sure is odd to see Jim Gentile and Juan Marichal in Dodgers uniforms- cards say Gentile played with the Dodgers in 1957-1958 and Marichal in 1975!- i am also trying to collect all the 52 Topps Dodgers that appear on these Target Store Dodgers 100th anniversary cards- so far i have Andy Pafco, Chuck Dressen and Bud Podbielan-i am also looking for the card in this set of my great- great uncle- Ed Wheeler- he was an infielder who played for the Dodgers in 1902 and this set has the only card of him- # 851-yes, i had a distant relative who played for the Dodgers- (Will i still be allowed in Yankee Stadium when i visit NY???You guys better keep this quiet!)- Linda ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:01:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 333 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 4/4/02 13:26:22, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: << On another note, I have never before completed a set for someone online as far as I remember. But a local friend needed a card for his 81 Donruss set years ago. Anyways, I have completed 2 sets for people this week & a 3rd is going out soon. Along the way, I will be breaking the OBC record for longest payback time! Has anyone taken over a year before to pay somebody back? >> How long did it take Sal to finally send all those Fregosi's to eeeeee? Also, in a message dated 4/4/02 10:07:23, illini90@earthlink.net writes: <> I may have selective memory loss, but didn't I see these for sale at one of the shows I went to recently? I'll have to look a little more closely next time, but if they are there, I think the price is closer to $11/box. Maybe it's a $9 shiping charge? I'll pick up a box of the 15-pocket sheets while I'm at it. I know those are around because I bought enough sheets to hold my T205 set... or did I buy a whole box and split it up? The REALLY hard to find sheets are the ones for the 1951 and 52 Bowman cards (and they fit the 75 mini set too I think). I've seen them once a couple years ago and bought everything he had. An interesting observation regarding the two recently completed polls - the 1976 set got no votes for either the least favorite or most favorite set - does that make it the most neutral? TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 8-Pocket Sheets Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:41:17 -0800 (PST) From: greenwood@integrity.com Tradingcardwarehouse.com has them for 12.99 / box. With shipping they come to Quoting Geno Wagner : > OBCers -- > I have been looking for Ultra-Pro 8-pocket sheets forever, but it seems > they > are hard to come by (not as bad as the 15-pocket though). Anyway, this > guy > has them for $20 (postage paid) for a box of 100 sheets. It seems like > a > decent deal to me at 20 cents apiece, so I thought I would pass it along > if > anybody else is looking for them... > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john penuel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > > Yes, a 100 ct box will cost $20.00 TOTAL and that includes shipping. > > Thanks > > JP > > -----Original Message----- > > From: illini90@earthlink.net > > To: sportscardsplus@esn.net > > Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:09 PM > > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > > > > > > >Do you sell the 8 pocket pages by the box? Thanks! > > >-------------------- > > > > > > > > >Question from: illini90 > > >Title of item: 20 - 8 POCKET ULTRA PRO COLLECTOR PAGES > > >Seller: jpenterprises > > >Starts: Apr-01-02 14:34:15 PST > > >Ends: Apr-06-02 14:34:15 PST > > >Price: Starts at $3.00 > > >To view the item, go to: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817963881 > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at > http://www.ebay.com > > > > > ================= To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 14:31:03 -0800 From: "jcollins12" The reason that Al Campanis probably rings a bell is because he was the executive in the Dodger organization who got into trouble about 15 years ago for the remarks he made during a conversation with Ted Koppel on ABC's Nightline. Campanis at the time was pretty high up in the Dodger organization. I can't remember what he was, Vice President of Player Development, Scouting or something. He may have even been the General Manager. Anyway, the discussion turned to the 40th anniversary of Jackie Robinson's breaking baseball's color barrier. Koppel asked Campanis why more blacks were not currently in big league management (incidentally, one of the causes Jackie Robinson championed most). To everyone's horror, particularly the Dodgers, Campanis spewed back a mouthful of rubbish at Koppel about how blacks were very talented and God-gifted athletes, certainly wonderful people, most of them still didn't have the desire or basic mental ability to manage in the big leagues, on the field or in the front office. Koppel called him on what he said and told him that was the same garbage we heard 40 years ago about players. Campanis realized what was happening and got all embarassed. He was fired the next day, but as the story goes, was promptly rehired because the Dodgers said that they still had to deal with bigots in baseball, and it was good to have somebody like him in house who knew exactly how they thought. Anyway sorry for the drawn out ramble, but that is who Al Campanis is. I have no idea whether or not he is still in baseball today. I would guess that depending on the year of issue of the set you mentioned, he was included more for his notoriety over that event, than for any 2 years he may have spent as a player in the Dodger organization. >--- Original Message --- >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 4/4/02 10:02:01 AM >hi- this is Linda- i have some cards from the Target stores Dodgers set which >susposidly includes all Dodger players up to 1990- this set sure must be >thorough and comprehensive because i noticed a card of a player who was only >in 7 games for the Dodgers in 1943 , was an infielder , and only got 2 hits- >he was Al Campanis- i wonder if this is his only card?- Does anyone know what >he is doing today?- i vaguely remember that name in the news with the Dodgers >=anyone know what he is doing now? - This set is a real education in that it >pictures players on cards i associate with other teams and i didn't know they >played with the Dodgers- it sure is odd to see Jim Gentile and Juan Marichal >in Dodgers uniforms- cards say Gentile played with the Dodgers in 1957-1958 >and Marichal in 1975!- i am also trying to collect all the 52 Topps Dodgers >that appear on these Target Store Dodgers 100th anniversary cards- so far i >have Andy Pafco, Chuck Dressen and Bud Podbielan-i am also looking for the >card in this set of my great- great uncle- Ed Wheeler- he was an infielder >who played for the Dodgers in 1902 and this set has the only card of him- # >851-yes, i had a distant relative who played for the Dodgers- (Will i still >be allowed in Yankee Stadium when i visit NY???You guys better keep this >quiet!)- Linda > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:52:40 EST Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?3=BDx5=BDsheetsforExhibitCards.?To: From: smart1853@aol.com I remember someone needing sheets roughly this size for some exhibit cards. If these are the right size, let me know. I went to my local store and found them. I picked 5 to see if they were the right size. If they are, I may be able to get the other 5 over the weekend. Brian Dwyer ================= To: "Geno Wagner" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 8-Pocket Sheets Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 16:51:54 -0800 From: "yaz" Geno & all, I have been buying my stuff at this site. I think they listed 100 8-pocket sheets (ultra-pro platinum) for $12.00 plus s&h. The page was updated on march 23 so the prices may still be current. http://www.dandlproducts.com/sheets.htm greg (yaz) Original Message ----- From: "Geno Wagner" To: Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 8-Pocket Sheets > OBCers -- > I have been looking for Ultra-Pro 8-pocket sheets forever, but it seems > are hard to come by (not as bad as the 15-pocket though). Anyway, this > has them for $20 (postage paid) for a box of 100 sheets. It seems like a > decent deal to me at 20 cents apiece, so I thought I would pass it along > anybody else is looking for them... > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john penuel" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 6:39 AM > Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > > Yes, a 100 ct box will cost $20.00 TOTAL and that includes shipping. > > Thanks > > JP > > -----Original Message----- > > From: illini90@earthlink.net > > To: sportscardsplus@esn.net > > Date: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:09 PM > > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1817963881 > > > > > > >Do you sell the 8 pocket pages by the box? Thanks! > > >-------------------- > > > > > > > > >Question from: illini90 > > >Title of item: 20 - 8 POCKET ULTRA PRO COLLECTOR PAGES > > >Seller: jpenterprises > > >Starts: Apr-01-02 14:34:15 PST > > >Ends: Apr-06-02 14:34:15 PST > > >Price: Starts at $3.00 > > >To view the item, go to: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1817963881 > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:10:35 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 333 To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com LMAO...Hey Ken, do you know how hard it is to find 100 Jim Fregosi cards? One of the classic trades in OBC history! Original Message Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 333 Date: 4/4/02 5:04:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com In a message dated 4/4/02 13:26:22, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: << On another note, I have never before completed a set for someone online as far as I remember. But a local friend needed a card for his 81 Donruss set years ago. Anyways, I have completed 2 sets for people this week & a 3rd is going out soon. Along the way, I will be breaking the OBC record for longest payback time! Has anyone taken over a year before to pay somebody back? >> How long did it take Sal to finally send all those Fregosi's to eeeeee? Also, in a message dated 4/4/02 10:07:23, illini90@earthlink.net writes: <> I may have selective memory loss, but didn't I see these for sale at one of the shows I went to recently? I'll have to look a little more closely next time, but if they are there, I think the price is closer to $11/box. Maybe it's a $9 shiping charge? I'll pick up a box of the 15-pocket sheets while I'm at it. I know those are around because I bought enough sheets to hold my T205 set... or did I buy a whole box and split it up? The REALLY hard to find sheets are the ones for the 1951 and 52 Bowman cards (and they fit the 75 mini set too I think). I've seen them once a couple years ago and bought everything he had. An interesting observation regarding the two recently completed polls - the 1976 set got no votes for either the least favorite or most favorite set - does that make it the most neutral? TAYL, Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xe01.mx.aol.com (rly-xe01.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.193]) by air-xe02.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXE23-0404170423; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:04:23 -0500 Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.71]) by rly-xe01.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXE18-0404170401; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 17:04:01 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 22:01:39 -0000 X-Sender: CardClctor@aol.com X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 71781 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m10.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.165) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 22:01:38 -0000 Received: from CardClctor@aol.com by imo-m10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id 8.29.25152e5b (2523) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:01:30 -0500(EST) Message-ID: <29.25152e5b.29de2739@aol.com> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 46 From: cardclctor@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: obc_ken MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 17:01:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 333 ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:14:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 is Fav reg issue 70 set To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 4/4/02 1:29:21 PM Eastern Standard Time From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: 4 Apr 2002 08:22:05 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com From: keithsummers@webtv.net Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 13:26:22 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 is Fav reg issue 70 set ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:26:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here's the story of Al Campanis: Al CampanisAge: 81 former Dodgers general manager who helped assemble teams that won four National League pennants and the 1981 World Series; is remembered more, however, for telling a national audience watching ABC's =E2=9CNightline=E2=9D blacks lacked "the necessities" to be managers and executives; although Campanis was responsible for signing minority stars like Roberto Clemente and Tommy Davis, it still wasn't enough to overshadow his racist comments; he spent almost a half century as a player scout and manager, serving as the team's GM from 1968-87; of coronary artery diseaseDied: Fullerton, Calif., June 21, 1998 Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set Date: 4/4/02 3:06:14 PM Eastern Standard Time From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com hi- this is Linda- i have some cards from the Target stores Dodgers set which susposidly includes all Dodger players up to 1990- this set sure must be thorough and comprehensive because i noticed a card of a player who was only in 7 games for the Dodgers in 1943 , was an infielder , and only got 2 hits- he was Al Campanis- i wonder if this is his only card?- Does anyone know what he is doing today?- i vaguely remember that name in the news with the Dodgers anyone know what he is doing now? - This set is a real education in thatit pictures players on cards i associate with other teams and i didn't know they played with the Dodgers- it sure is odd to see Jim Gentile and Juan Marichal in Dodgers uniforms- cards say Gentile played with the Dodgers in 1957-1958 and Marichal in 1975!- i am also trying to collect all the 52 Topps Dodgers that appear on these Target Store Dodgers 100th anniversary cards- so far i have Andy Pafco, Chuck Dressen and Bud Podbielan-i am also looking for the card in this set of my great- great uncle- Ed Wheeler- he was an infielder who played for the Dodgers in 1902 and this set has the only card of him- # 851-yes, i had a distant relative who played for the Dodgers- (Will i still be allowed in Yankee Stadium when i visit NY???You guys better keep this quiet!)- Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.228]) by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINZD42-0404150614; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD43-0404150540; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:05:40 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 20:02:42 -0000 X-Sender: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 20:02:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 88752 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.102.131dcdce (4541) for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:02:01-0500 Message-ID: <102.131dcdce.29de0b39@aol.com> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:02:01 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set ================= To: , , Subject: The Rest of the Story Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 19:32:10 -0500 From: "galtemos" As Paul Harvey would say, here is "The Rest of the Story." July 6, 1998 Stereotyping Al Campanis Which is worse? "(Blacks) may not have some of the necessities to be, let's say, a field manager, or perhaps a general manager."—former Dodger general manager Al Campanis in 1987 on ABC's Nightline. Or "disadvantaged" students lack the "genetic hereditary background to have a higher average" on standardized tests.—the president of Rutgers University, Francis Lawrence, at a meeting in November 1994 Al Campanis later explained his remarks, "When I said blacks lack the 'necessities' to be managers or general managers, what I meant was the lack of necessary experience, not things like inherent intelligence or ability. I was dead-tired after traveling when I went on the show. I got confused. It was like a telegram—you try to say it in a few words, and it's implied differently." Lame, you say? Consider President Lawrence's defense. He was thinking about the book The Bell Curve, which argues that, for genetic reasons, blacks fail to perform as well as others on standardized tests. See, Lawrence found the book so immoral that he refused to read it. But, apparently, it was, like, on his mind, causing him to say the very opposite of how he truly feels. Yeah. Now, Al Campanis, who just died, lost his job for his "racial insensitivity." President Lawrence, on the other hand, withstanding protests and cries for resignation, retained his job. Why? Well, Lawrence's defenders portrayed him as pro-minority, pro-diversity, and pro-affirmative action, citing his long-standing record in advancing causes sympathetic to Well, what about Al Campanis's record? When Jackie Robinson broke the modern major league color barrier in 1947, Campanis, then a Brooklyn Dodger infielder, offered, repeat offered, to room with him. Campanis taught Robinson how to turn a double play to avoid spiking by the charging, Robinson-hating base runners. Throw the ball at the base runner's forehead, Campanis advised. Do that a couple times, he said, and goodbye, human javelins. As a player development executive with the Dodgers, Campanis signed, among others, Roberto Clemente, Willie Davis, and Tommy Davis. "(Campanis) didn't have a racist bone in his body."—Vin Scully, longtime Dodger broadcaster and the most respected announcer in sports. "What happened to him . . . was unfortunate. He was just the opposite of what he was accused of being."—Dodger third-base coach, Joe Amalfitano "While in the minor leagues, Campanis once threw down his glove during a game and challenged an opponent who was bullying Robinson. He was also known to invite Robinson to eat with him while many other whites chose to keep their distance."—Robert Kuwada, Orange County Register sportswriter. "You hate that any man's career is ruined in a couple of minutes. What he said was wrong, but he was always cool to minorities when I was there, especially the Latin players, and the blacks."—San Francisco manager Dusty Baker, and former Dodger outfielder. "It's sad to think that Al leaves the world with an unjustifiable reputation. He never judged a player on the basis of color. The only thing he wanted to know was 'can he play?' He dedicated his life to the Dodgers and did more for Latin and black players than anyone in baseball. I'll stand on that statement."—Dodger general manager Tommy Lasorda "Mr. Campanis was a great person, a great human being. He treated everyone with a great deal of respect. He gave the Latin players a lot of opportunities to play in the Dodger organization. We called him the 'father of Latin baseball.'"—former Dodger player and current coach Manny Mota. "I've never been around a fairer man in my life."—longtime Dodger infielder and former manager Bill Russell. "I'm sad not only for his passing but for the way people will remember him. That's not the way I will remember him. There are a lot of racists in the world, on both sides, and he wasn't one of them. He helped Roy so much when he was coming through the major leagues. He molded a lot of young men into men."—Roxie Campanella, the widow of former Dodger catcher Roy Campanella. Jesse Jackson once called Jews "Hymie" and New York "Hymietown." He apologized. We forgave. Former President Harry S Truman, in a letter, once called New York "Kiketown," yet his support was instrumental in the creation of the state of Israel. Richard Nixon made anti-Semitic remarks on the famous Watergate tapes, yet appointed the first Jewish secretary of state and had important and influential Jewish advisers. Following the Michael Jordan-led Chicago Bulls championship, an excited Vice President Al Gore said, "How about that Michael Jackson. That Michael Jackson is just unbelievable!" If Dan Quayle says it, that's at least five jokes on Leno. If Al Campanis says it, it's "See, I told you." From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set Date: Thursday, April 04, 2002 7:26 PM Here's the story of Al Campanis: Al CampanisAge: 81 former Dodgers general manager who helped assemble teams that won four National League pennants and the 1981 World Series; is remembered more, however, for telling a national audience watching ABC's “Nightline†blacks lacked "the necessities" to be managers and executives; although Campanis was responsible for signing minority stars like Roberto Clemente Tommy Davis, it still wasn't enough to overshadow his racist comments; he spent almost a half century as a player scout and manager, serving as the team's GM from 1968-87; of coronary artery diseaseDied: Fullerton, Calif., June 21, 1998 ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set Date: 4/4/02 3:06:14 PM Eastern Standard Time From:    jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To:    obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com hi- this is Linda- i have some cards from the Target stores Dodgers set susposidly includes all Dodger players up to 1990- this set sure must be thorough and comprehensive because i noticed a card of a player who was in 7 games for the Dodgers in 1943 , was an infielder , and only got 2 he was Al Campanis- i wonder if this is his only card?- Does anyone know he is doing today?- i vaguely remember that name in the news with the =anyone know what he is doing now? - This set is a real education in that pictures players on cards i associate with other teams and i didn't know played with the Dodgers- it sure is odd to see Jim Gentile and Juan in Dodgers uniforms- cards say Gentile played with the Dodgers in 1957-1958 and Marichal in 1975!- i am also trying to collect all the 52 Topps Dodgers that appear on these Target Store Dodgers 100th anniversary cards- so far i have Andy Pafco, Chuck Dressen and Bud Podbielan-i am also looking for the card in this set of my great- great uncle- Ed Wheeler- he was an infielder who played for the Dodgers in 1902 and this set has the only card of him- # 851-yes, i had a distant relative who played for the Dodgers- (Will i still be allowed in Yankee Stadium when i visit NY???You guys better keep this quiet!)- Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from  rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (rly-zd04.mail.aol.com by air-zd04.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINZD42-0404150614; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:06:14 -0500 Received: from  n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.93]) rly-zd04.mx.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINZD43-0404150540; Thu, 04 Apr 2002 15:05:40 -0500 Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Apr 2002 20:02:42 -0000 X-Sender: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 4 Apr 2002 20:02:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 88752 invoked from network); 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217)   by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100)   by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Apr 2002 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com     by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.102.131dcdce (4541)     for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:02:01 -0500 Message-ID: <102.131dcdce.29de0b39@aol.com> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 15:02:01 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] thoroughness of the Dodgers Target set ================= Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 18:21:57 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ESPN.com: Gonzo's game-used gum up for bid From: nthomas@pol.net You have received this ESPN.com mail from: Neal Thomas The "Gonzo's game-used gum up for bid" story is located at http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2002/0404/1363118.html Alright, RIchard--I thought you were kidding about that "used" stuff the other day. Now I'm not too sure! Neal Thomas Test your skills in the Alien dunk contest. See how the Pentium=AE 4 processor takes you to the top of your game! http://mds.centrport.net/mdsefc?a27250041;MIHC106C1731P72029B72030S0;B72030;1 ================= Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:13:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hats From: Traderdoug@aol.com I'm not sure where we are on hats but count me in. - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2002 23:25:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rookie, and Some Availables From: Traderdoug@aol.com Content-Disposition: inline Can somebody help this guy? - Doug ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Campanis Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 05:24:50 -0800 From: "jcollins12" After reading the article, I feel a little bad at how misinformed I must have been. I thought what the rest of the world probably thought about Campanis: that he was probably just a slightly bigoted person that happened to get caught with his views on national television. I guess it just goes to show how our great media in this country can have an opinion and make everyone else believe it. Felt I should at least say something, since I kind of brought up the subject by explaining what I knew about Campanis. Glad that someone found that article though. Have a good weekend, ================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 12:57:29 EST Subject: Collecting players by card background color To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- From joining OBC i learned some people collect cards not because they are interested in a player but for different esoteric reasons-i encountered one yesterday at the local card shop- i noticed a man asking about 52 and 54 topps- Since there are few vintage collectors i had to approach him- i asked him what he collects and who he likes- he answered he collects 52 and 54 topps but no particular player- he said he collects cards by color-that comment raised a few eyebrows.He told me he only collects 52 and 54 topps cards with a red or orange background- he said he trades all the others off for the colors he likes- i told him i have a Bob Rush 52 topps # 153 with a BEAUTIFUL red background i would be happy to trade for a certain card in the set with a blue background- he replied " i hate the blue ones the most-i get rid of them first"--Any of you guys in the club with a spare 52 topps # 41- Bob Wellman with the Orange background care to trade this guy for his blue background cards- especially one i have in mind- Linda ================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:23:10 EST Subject: A few 'morbid' subjects To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I'm still shaking, so I'll try to use up some of that energy by typing a long note... not that it's any different from any of my other notes. More on the shaking part later. The first 'morbid thought I have to relay is "Death to spammers!" I'm going to put the blocks on my AOL account again, so only a few select domains (about 75 of them) will be able to reach me at this address. I'll post a link on my wantlist with the domain names, which should include everyone in the group and the servers. I'm getting sick of signing on to read 15-20 junk messages every day. I saw the film "Death to Smoochy" this afternoon. It was decent, although not as hilarious as I thought a movie with Robin Williams could be... although he plays someone who is driven nearly insane, which probably isn't too much of a stretch for him. I had the night off last night and it's been a while since I saw a flick - and had a big tub of popcorn. After the film, I set off to get a haircut (I got them ALL cut actually) and now I look like a potential chemotherapy patient... just in time for spring ;-) After that, I still had time left on the meter, so I headed over to Everett's local card shop (and self-proclaimed 'largest in New England'). I recently got a flyer with his overpriced memorabilia auction, which I wouldn't entertain even bidding the minimum on any one item in it, but if he wants to waste the postage... The auction catalog also stated there was a 50% Ted Williams sale and everything in the store was 25% off. This was intriguing, although most of his Ted stuff is marked close to double book and the rest of the stuff in the store is near or at high Buckett. I went in anyway to look at what I WOULDN'T be buying today. Lo and behold, there was a binder with post cereal cards in it, so I grabbed a handful (the most beat up ones he had), paid an outrageous price anyway, took them home and discovered I only crossed off 4 cards on my list. I'll bring my list next time - if there ever is a next time. Finally, on the way home from the card shop, I had a scare. Whoever said "Look both ways before you cross the street" really had a good idea there. You could be seriously killed otherwise. School was just letting out as I was on my way home. Traffic in the other direction was at a virtual standstill, so I assume the young girl thought there wasn't any traffic the other way either. This might explain why she darted out from between cars right in front of my car! (I was going about 20 mph at the time.) Fortunately for both of us, my catlike reflexes resulted in her only bouncing off the hood and falling on her rear end... and giving me a near heart attack in the process. It's a good thing I wasn't in a huge rush home to cross off numbers on my list. (I greeted the mailman before I left for the movie too.) Well, it's already been an exciting day. I think I'll get a nice nap in before anything else happens... TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 17:40:21 EST Subject: Question from Website. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com From: "kim Hylton" To: Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2002 15:14:59 -0500 I have a 1949 Leaf Joe DiMaggio autographed card, #1. I am wanting to sellthis card and I am trying to find out how much I can get from this card. Can you help me in any way? Dean Hylton ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Card ID question Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2002 22:42:08 From: "Brad Chambers" Some of you guys are marvels at this, so I need your help. I have two Ken Griffey cards. Neither are UV coated although both have a slick front compared to a 1960s Topps. The first one has his picture on the front, with a grape/maroon/purpleish background and gold border with two large triagular gold triangle borders at the top. It simply says Ken Griffey, Jr at the bottom in a white box. On the reverse, blue writing on a white background, card #1, with his 1988 batting record. At the bottom it says "Premier Player Gold Edition '89 Limited Edition 7 thousand sets Series #5 The second one has a closeup of his face, looks like he might be in a dutout, at the bottom right in black ink reads Ken Griffey, Seattle Mariners, 1989. No border or anything on the front. ON the back, simple black ink on white background reading SIDEWAYS, 1989 ROOKIES (in large print), Superstars Two *Ken Griffey* #4 of 16. In very small letters at the bottom says Pacific Cards and Comics, Los Angeles, CA. The Standard Catalog does not have a Pacific Card in 1989. So- Any help from you card gurus? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 00:12:42 EST Subject: Boston To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Hey ho kids: Looks like I am going to be in Boston Monday the 15th and will probably be staying in town (95% sure). I'll be out of my meetings around 4:00 or so--just wondering if anybody is around that night in Beantown that is up for a low level OBC meet-up. I should be staying at the Fairmont. ================= Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 19:47:55 EST Subject: the Rarest Brooklyn Dodger card ever??? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was recently offered "the Rarest Brooklyn Dodger card ever" - a 53 topps Pafco # 267-The story by the owner is it "mistakenly got inserted into a pack in 1953 and was a prototype card"- the owner kept the card "in Mint condition" because of its rarity- i do have a scan of the front and back of the card and will send by e-mail to anyone who requests it- Opinions Anyone???Does anyone else know of this unissued card showing up anywhere or being ofered for sale?? Linda ================= Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2002 10:24:49 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Would you need one this badly? From: Lynn Miller Everyone has run across one of these now and then. Still got a lot of time left if you want to go for it :>). Lynn eBay item 1819118993 (Ends Apr-15-02 19:16:15 PDT ) - Mantle & Aaron 1958 Topps Batting Foes PSA 8 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: milestones Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2002 21:17:24 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Looking at the newest OBC directory (thanks Grant) we have some members that recently passed some significant milestones: Spike Glidden turned 30, and Doug Julien and our own Canonized One, St. Al, both turned 50. Boy, you're old Al! :) recently 40 ================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 11:41:50 EDT Subject: Big Thanks for the great north To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Breezed back into Los Angeles last night to overcast skies and winds. Oh I miss British weather already. About a week ago I spent three wonderful days in Scotland one of which was spent with OBCER from afar Glenn Codere. He met me in downtown Edinburgh (wonderful city!!) at a place just below the castle called the Beehive. I was too tired to have a pint but did manage a soda. We traded stuff (cards for Glenn, Football (soccer here in the U.S.) programs for me. Then retired to a fairly busy American pizza place next door. Glenn was not kidding when he said it was probably the best pizza in Great Britian. Heck, it was the best pizza I had had in years!! I had it for lunch two days later also. The weather held too. Sunny and warm for Scotland means hazy and 50 (I was glad--it had been raining and 30 for the last two weeks). London was wonderful as well. Hope all is well. BTW, they do play baseball games every sunday night from a ESPN feed so I got to see opening day in Scotland (at 12:20). Thanks again Glenn. It was great!! ================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 13:54:31 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Returned mail: Cannot send message within 1 day From: Originaleek@webtv.net Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 09:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Post Office To: Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message within 1 day The original message was received at Sat, 6 Apr 2002 07:19:39 -0700 (PDT) from mailsorter-105-2.private.bryant.webtv.net [172.18.41.103] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection refused by mail2.mediaone.net. Message could not be delivered for 1 day Message will be deleted from queue ================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 15:18:38 EDT Subject: is this guy in the hof? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Is the Davis from E92, E94, E97 etc in the HOF? He's on the Athletics and I think his first name was George. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Wantlist] Special Clemente item available for specialist Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 02:19:39 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, a little history on the card linda is offering. city pride bread was a company made up of displaced workers from what was once the brauns baking company in pittsburgh. these folks stuck together for about 11 years after brauns quit baking here until they were able to open their own, employee owned and operated bread company. i worked for the old brauns at the time, then known as interstate baking and these folks took the city by storm. unfortunatly poor mangement had them out of business in about a year. the clemente cards are very cool though. i was lucky enough to get my hands on all six issues. interstate is also the company that put out the hostess issues. they are now owned by dolly madison, that buy out put me on unemployment in 1997. my version of did you know. >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] Special Clemente item available for specialist >Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 14:40:35 EDT >hi- this is Linda- i have a special card/item available for a Clemente >fan-specialist- City Pride Bread issued some Clemente cards inserted in >wrappers- the cards are commonly seen on ebay- i have one of the Bread >wrappers with a card sealed in it- unremoved- and the wrapper has 2 pics of >Clemente on it- front and back- and an ad on the bread wrapper entitled- >"Help Build the Statue -Proceeds Benefit A Statue for Roberto"--it also >on the wrapper- "Limited Edition Collector's Card Inside- Collect all >the back of the wrapper by a drawing of Clemente standing and tipping his >it says--" Help Make Roberto a hero again. Proceeds from the sale of this >bread will go towards A Statue for Roberto, a memorial to be unveiled >the 1994 All Star Game at Three Rivers Stadium"- i am making this available >to any trader who is a Clemente specialist because it belongs in their >collection more than mine-- wrapper with card available- Linda MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 23:31:23 EDT Subject: Fwd: Tough E-mail To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Well, we buried my father this weekend. It was nice, as far as funerals go - my Uncle John (a priest) held the mass and we had some bagpipes at the grave site. I can now feel the shock starting to leave and the reality of the situation starting to sink in - ouch. I would like to say thank you to everyone that sent along their thoughts - it really helped. You guys are great, really. God bless everyone. Pat Sweeney In a message dated 3/31/2002 9:10:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, Sweendoger > Subj:Tough E-mail > Date:3/31/2002 9:10:34 AM Pacific Standard Time > From:Sweendoger > To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Everyone~ > I have been part of this club for 3 or so years, and I recall many of the > e-mails concerning family members. The e-mails act as a bit of therapy I > suppose. Well, yesterday I lost my father in a car accident. He sure was > a great guy. I'm thankful that my mother survived the crash (airbag > worked) > and that my two boys were not with them. My kids came very close to > traveling with them. The accident happened on the way to my grandmother's > 80th B-day. > Please say a prayer for Frank Sweeney and have a Happy Easter. > Pat ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bad news/Good News Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 03:27:17 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Got back from the hospital on sunday night. The good miss josephine (finace) is finally back at home after emergency surgery to remove her appendix. She's now resting comfortably. A happy ending to a long weekend. If any one wants to send her obc get well cards, she likes Minnie Minoso, Willie McCovey, Jay Buhner and much to the disgust of the viking blood that flows through my veins...Brett Favre. They can be sent to... Josephine Young 864 Lovejoy St. Clarkston GA 30021 MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Some News From Rick Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 12:13:27 -0400 From: "Rick Redpath" Hi Gang, Although there is something I wanted to share with all of you, before getting to that I have to make it clear that I must have an OBC hat! This idea is too good and too important for me not to acknowledge the genius behind this plan, thanks to Steve and Lynn and anybody else who has helped cooked this up. I'll do whatever it takes, I just need to have an OBC hat! I think I'm making this clear, okay? All right. My recent absence during the last month or two has been the result of some neurological problems that began first happening in January this year but became much more noticeable and alarming in February. By March it was clear that something was wrong with me, as I had great difficulty in composing email and stumbling over words, often not being sure if I had said the right words or if I just couldn't think of the words I was trying to recall. I'll skip a few details but I went in for an MRI which showed there was a mass in my brain, and I was sent immediately to Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, where a tumor was removed from my brain. This was less than 3 weeks ago. It has taken some time for me to even understand everything that has happened, and it is still hard for me to be clear trying to explain what I want to say, but I know that I have to be patient. And you may need to be a little patient with me, as my usual impeccable spelling and grammar might not be up to speed at first, as I get back with a little more practice. I have sent only just a few email messages in the last 2 weeks, and with one exception I haven't told anyone in the group yet. I wanted to be able to compose this on my own, although it has been trying. I have just started with a radiation treatment that will last about 6 weeks, and we will be meeting to plan chemotherapy as well. I mention some of these details only because they sometimes help me to explain better, and because some of you may be a resource that I may not have realized. I had a tumor on the left temporal lobe of my brain. This was a malignant tumor, referred to as a glioblastoma. I don't say this to be grim in any way, nothing could be farther from the truth. I am a survivor. My family and friends and my co-workers have been more supportive than I could ever describe. My wife Roberta has been everything to me. And you can't possibly know how much this group means to me, all of you, despite my difficulty in even getting a message out to all of you. But I have some free time now, from work, as I recuperate, and I plan to spend many fine walks in this spring we're enjoying, and watch some (okay a lot) of a certain nearby major league baseball, that team that you might be familiar with :-) I look forward to passing along some news when I can, as my son Ian had his first little league practice yesterday. This dedicated reporter plans to keep filing my stories as it is one of my favorite seasons as you might know. I also might have some free time to send out some cardboard as well, as nothing raises the spirit than dropping an OBC envelope into the mailbox once in a while. In many ways OBC continues to be a force that may be hard to explain, but that I think we all feel as strongly as ever. I wish I had the ability to send my personal thoughts and my prayers to so many of you in recent days and weeks, but you'll have to feel the strength and the bond that comes from me, as clearly as it's ever been. I'll be in touch. - Rick ================= Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:07:35 -0400 (EDT) To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com (Glenn Codere) Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] BIG Thanks from Glasgow From: Originaleek@webtv.net I couldn't have said it better myself. Did anyone figure out what Randy Smith's 5 year plan was? Maybe we won't need paper sacks when the Detroit area OBCers go to Comerica Park in June? We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1954 Topps Color Oddities Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:41:56 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" I picked up 2 1954 Topps on ebay that I thought were interesting. Billy Martin and Ed Lopat come with orange and reb backgrounds. The cards I bought have very little red on the fronts. Consequently the backgrounds come out aslight If you are interested, I'll send you a scan since I don't think attachmentscome thru the Ramblings server. George Vrechek ================= To: Subject: New addition! Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:58:45 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- We added another player to the bench today as Zachary Tyler Wagner entered the world at 8:29 (that's 0829, Matt)! Mom and baby are doing great, whiledad is being run ragged with the two existing anklebiters. Only six more to go and I'll have a whole team (three more if I go with pitcher's hand and right field out rules)... Good Night, Geno ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who ya gonna call? Scambusters! Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 02:05:37 -0400 From: "James Moleta" In case anyone still has the email address for that person who investigates shady ebay listings, here's a laugher for his list: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818286738 Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Subject: Someone could go for these ... trimmed 33 Goudeys Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 03:33:22 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden 70+ lot on eBay, less than $3 per card: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818486243 OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: 1950 Inquirer Fightin' Phillies Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 12:51:22 -0400 From: "John Collins" Hi all, I recently picked up a copy of the April Beckett Sports Collectibles Vintage magazine, and was turning through it. When I came to page 62, I was shocked to see a small piece on a set of newspaper cutouts of the 1950 Phillies that was issued by the Philadelphia Inquirer. The reason I was so surprised is that I have 7 of these newspaper cutouts /cards that belonged to my Dad as a kid. My grandmother found them in an old trunk or suitcase or something when we were up to visit her in PA sometime in the late 1980's. I had always held onto these because they were the only pieces of baseball memoribilia that I know came from my father, whose other baseball cards probably went the way of the incenerator like so many others. I knew they were from the Philadelphia Inquirer, but until I saw the article in Beckett I never knew what year they were from, although I suppose I could have figued it out by looking at the batting averages, etc. in the descriptions. The Beckett article states that these cutouts sell for$10 to $20 depending on the player, and that they were listed in the Beckett Almanac # 6. My question is, does anybody have that book or maybe another SCD catalog or Sport Americana that lists these things? I have 7, but know not that there are more because the one pictured in Beckett (pitcher and HOMer Bubba Church) is not one that I have. I don't suppose anybody out there actually has any of these things, but if so, I would love to complete this set and maybe get it framed somehow for my dad. Any info. on how many cards in the set or how to get more of these would be much appreciated.Of course I've already checked on Ebay with no luck. Here are the ones Ihave: Eddie Waitkus (was the guy who was shot and inspired that part of the moviein "The Natural") Ken Silvestri Ken Heintzelman Russ "Mad Monk" Meyer Mike Goliat Del Ennis Ralph Caballero I would assume the for the '50 Phils, cutouts would exist for Ashburn, Roberts, and maybe Konstanty as well. Any clue ?? Thanks !! John C. Collins ================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:48:16 EDT Subject: ebay technical problem To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Is anyone else having trouble logging into ebay? Since yesterday when I've gone to Ebay, the sign in bar in the top right hasn't appeared so I haven't been able to log in. Anyone else experiencing this? ================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:14:19 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New addition! To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 4/8/02 11:03:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time To: From: "Geno Wagner" Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:58:45 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New addition! ================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:32:37 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New addition! To: ChicoD1@aol.com, illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com << I guess I lost the pool, I could have sworn this one was going to be named Honus! Congrats Geno! >> When my wife was pregnant with son #1, we referred to him as Honus after Honus Wagner. I used to talk to him in her tummy and address him as Honus. When he was about 5 minutes old and the nurses were cleaning him up (if you've ever seen a birth, you know this is necessary) I walked over to him and said "Hi Honus" and he turned and looked at me. ================= Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 20:49:18 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My hockey name From: Originaleek@webtv.net While weeding out some old e-mails, I came upon one from Glenn from across the pond. It was an invitation to "get a hockey name". Ok, says I, it might be interesting. So I enter my name and discover my hockey name is Denis La Kilbourneau. There's another name to add to your list Grant. BTW Grant, your hockey name is Dougie McRainsleyson. I have one question for Glenn, does the wife know you're browsing around Maxim? She needs to supervise you better. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2002 21:37:19 -0500 To: 0ramblings Subject: J. Callison From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...how irritating. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1819987375 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: MIKE MARIANO Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 02:57:42 From: "jeff sinclair" anybody have any experience trading with this guy?? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 02:33:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I have got a question??? From: "sassabeth" Hello there fellow OBCers...I was wondering if there was anywhere that was posted or listed a schedule of the major card shows...I have heard that Las Vegas has a couple of big ones throughout the year...I am going to be in Vegas in Aug. and was wondering if luck would have a show there that month....Thank you, Sassy ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: New sets (sort of) Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:18:24 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" I have decided to add some new quests to my wantlist. Thanks to Dave Fallen's research, I have come up with a list of all MLBers born in Montana (all 18 of them). Weeding out those UV-era ballplayers, I have come up with the following players: Ed Bouchee Johnny Couch Larry (Cecil) Duff John (Tonight, let it be) Lowenstein (One of Chris Berman's best) Joe McIntosh Gary Neibauer (just got his RC from Mac, but that was for the 69 set) Jim Otten Herb Plews Jim Tyack (his only card is a 1943 A's team set; sheesh!) Dave McNally is also on the list, but I've already started on him. The above will be on my new wantlist. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 00:54:59 EDT Subject: mini-rambling + March 15 Hockey News To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com I don't think I can match some guys (Hi Ken ! :), but here goes with a My wife and I spent the last week of March in Peurta Vuerta, Mexico. We had a great time at the beach, watching the pelicans and other sea birds, and seeing the sunsets over the ocean. I was sick the second half of the trip, but my mood improved considerably when I opened my copy of the Hockey News. It usually arrives well after the cover date and I hadn't had a chance to read the latest one, so it had coverage of the end of the Olympics a month earlier. I had written in about the Olympics and never heard back, so I pretty wasn't thinking about it. So there I was in Mexico, reading the hockey news, and I saw that they published my letter about the Olympics ! (with a few trims and editing) I never wrote to them before, but I actually thought that they were likely to publish it when I wrote it w/ . It probably is not available on-line, unless they have some kind of archives, but I would be happy to send it to anyone who is ================= Date: 11 Apr 2002 13:10:39 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: I'd most likely attend the National Convention if it were held o Anywhere - I wouldn't want to miss it no matter where it was. o Nowhere - I wouldn't go if it was next door. o in Seattle o in Los Angeles o in Las Vegas o in Chicago o in St. Louis o in New Orleans o in Dallas o in Atlanta o in Washington DC o in New York City To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New sets (sort of) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 09:18:34 -0400 From: "Robert Reed" For those that don't know, player birthplace information is available on line at... http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/ I've spent quite a bit of time browsing the baseball-reference website. >From: "Todd Knowles" >Reply-To: "Todd Knowles" >To: "Ramblings" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New sets (sort of) >Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:18:24 -0600 >I have decided to add some new quests to my wantlist. Thanks to Dave >Fallen's research, I have come up with a list of all MLBers born in >Montana (all 18 of them). Weeding out those UV-era ballplayers, I >have come up with the following players: >Ed Bouchee >Johnny Couch >Larry (Cecil) Duff >John (Tonight, let it be) Lowenstein (One of Chris Berman's best) >Joe McIntosh >Gary Neibauer (just got his RC from Mac, but that was for the 69 set) >Jim Otten >Herb Plews >Jim Tyack (his only card is a 1943 A's team set; sheesh!) >Dave McNally is also on the list, but I've already started on him. >The above will be on my new wantlist. >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: boreed@hotmail.com OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New sets (sort of) Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 06:25:51 -0700 From: "jcollins12" For those who haven't checked it out, I would definitely recommend baseball-reference.com. It is like an online version of the Baseball Encyclopedia, or Total Baseball, with information on anybody who played so much as a game in the major leagues. I always wanted the Baseball Encyclopedia book as a kid and never got it, and this site is better because it is free. So now, when you need to know important things like Milo Candini's lifetime batting average, or how many people Ryne Duren struck out in 1959, you don't have to go down to the library to find one of those huge books. >--- Original Message --- >From: "Robert Reed" >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 4/11/02 8:18:34 AM >For those that don't know, player birthplace information is available on >line at... >http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/ >I've spent quite a bit of time browsing the baseball-reference >>From: "Todd Knowles" >>Reply-To: "Todd Knowles" >>To: "Ramblings" >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New sets (sort of) >>Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 17:18:24 -0600 >>I have decided to add some new quests to my wantlist.  Thanks to Dave >>Fallen's research, I have come up with a list of all MLBers born in >>Montana (all 18 of them).  Weeding out those UV-era ballplayers, >>have come up with the following players: >>Ed Bouchee >>Johnny Couch >>Larry (Cecil) Duff >>John (Tonight, let it be) Lowenstein (One of Chris Berman's >>Joe McIntosh >>Gary Neibauer (just got his RC from Mac, but that was for the 69 set) >>Jim Otten >>Herb Plews >>Jim Tyack (his only card is a 1943 A's team set; sheesh!) >>Dave McNally is also on the list, but I've already started on him. >>The above will be on my new wantlist. >>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>Your use of Yahoo! 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> > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 13:49:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New poll for OBC-Ramblings From: "obc_ken" Thought I'd explain the reasoning behind this one... I have a friend who is on the National board of directors. Every year the dealers at the National get together after the show is ended and vote on which city they'd like to go to a couple years down the road. A lot of factors are taken into consideration for the potential locations (size of facilities, cost of labor, airport access, etc) Well, from what my friend tells me, the dealer interest in voting at these meetings is less than mildly enthusiastic. I thought I'd like to relay what the people want, so he might consider that in choosing a potential location sometime in the future. I figure this group represents a broad selection as far as geographic location. (No stuffing the ballot boxes from any one area.) I was going to recommend Boston for the next east coast show (only because they've built a multi-million doallar convention center that's reportedly had a lot of difficulty recruiting events)... however, I didn't put that as one of the choices in the poll. In fact, I probably left off a few excellent sites just to keep from having 20 choices. If you want to vote in the poll, please pick the city you'd MOST LIKELY visit, even though there may be one better suited to your travel needs/amount of available time. I'd also like to see if my friend actually has any pull in the hobby :-) So if the top choice happens to become the city that the Nationals go to in a couple years, you'll kn ================= To: "obc_ken" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:12:49 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Is Glasgow on the list? -----Original Message----- From: obc_ken [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com] Sent: 11 April 2002 14:49 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Thought I'd explain the reasoning behind this one... I have a friend who is on the National board of directors. Every year the dealers at the National get together after the show is ended and vote on which city they'd like to go to a couple years down the road. A lot of factors are taken into consideration for the potential locations (size of facilities, cost of labor, airport access, etc) Well, from what my friend tells me, the dealer interest in voting at these meetings is less than mildly enthusiastic. I thought I'd like to relay what the people want, so he might consider that in choosing a potential location sometime in the future. I figure this group represents a broad selection as far as geographic location. (No stuffing the ballot boxes from any one area.) I was going to recommend Boston for the next east coast show (only because they've built a multi-million doallar convention center that's reportedly had a lot of difficulty recruiting events)... however, I didn't put that as one of the choices in the poll. In fact, I probably left off a few excellent sites just to keep from having 20 choices. If you want to vote in the poll, please pick the city you'd MOST LIKELY visit, even though there may be one better suited to your travel needs/amount of available time. I'd also like to see if my friend actually has any pull in the hobby :-) So if the top choice happens to become the city that the Nationals go to in a couple years, you'll kn To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Glenn Codere Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 11:26:51 -0700 (PDT) From: greenwood@integrity.com I prefer Edinborough. ;) Quoting Glenn Codere : > Is Glasgow on the list? > Glenn > -----Original Message----- > From: obc_ken [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com] > Sent: 11 April 2002 14:49 > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New poll for OBC-Ramblings > Thought I'd explain the reasoning behind this one... > I have a friend who is on the National board of directors. Every year > the dealers at the National get together after the show is ended and > vote on which city they'd like to go to a couple years down the road. > A lot of factors are taken into consideration for the potential > locations (size of facilities, cost of labor, airport access, etc) > Well, from what my friend tells me, the dealer interest in voting at > these meetings is less than mildly enthusiastic. I thought I'd like to > relay what the people want, so he might consider that in choosing a > potential location sometime in the future. I figure this group > represents a broad selection as far as geographic location. (No > stuffing the ballot boxes from any one area.) I was going to recommend > Boston for the next east coast show (only because they've built a > multi-million doallar convention center that's reportedly had a lot of > difficulty recruiting events)... however, I didn't put that as one of > the choices in the poll. In fact, I probably left off a few excellent > sites just to keep from having 20 choices. If you want to vote in the > poll, please pick the city you'd MOST LIKELY visit, even though there > may be one better suited to your travel needs/amount of available > time. I'd also like to see if my friend actually has any pull in the > hobby :-) So if the top choice happens to become the city that the > Nationals go to in a couple years, you'll kn > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 02:37:42 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Baseball-Reference.com From: Lynn Miller > Bob is correct, what a great site. Some of the stats are pretty interesting > and I've never seen some of the comparisons made about players in relation to > other players or their season or career stats. First time I've visited and > will be back for much more. Hank played 50 games as an infielder!! 1.000 pct > as a 3B, go ahead and top that Brooks. And I call myself a fan???? > Many of you have been there before obviously. Not making a pitch for Sean, > who maintains the site, but most would not read this part of the site > information. He does ask for support to keep maintaining the site. Not > mandatory, but if you like it and use it a lot, it's seems only reasonable to > help him in whatever way you can. Click on the "Support" button and there are > a number of different ways he can accept "contributions". Just an > afterthought. > Thanks Bob, Lynn > Robert Reed wrote: > > For those that don't know, player birthplace information is available on > > line at... > > > > http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/ > > > > I've spent quite a bit of time browsing the baseball-reference website. > > > > -Bob ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: T206 lot on ebay today Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:19:05 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818684732 Can anybody explain this to me? I must be missing something. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 21:06:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: HOM - Wayne Terwilliger From: "david_skoglund_mn" Cool story. http://www.spsaints.com/twig.htm ================= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 19:16:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Grand Slam of Sports From: "mikesportsfan" This is a great time of year. Not only has the baseball season begun (although I do not think the Detroit Tigers have been informed of this development), but there is activity in all of the other "major" sports. Starting with Saturday, March 30, I wsa at a Detroit Fury Arena Football exhibition game (players may have outnumbered those of us in the stands). On Easter Sunday, March 31, I was right back to the Palace of Auburn hills to see the Division Champion Detroit Pistons win. Last Friday, Chuck Paris calls me up and says Mike I do have an extra Home Opening Day ticket for you to buy. After meeting up with and his friends at Detroit's famous Greek Town area, we were subjected to a humiliating effort and loss by the Tigers (10-1), while it was snowing, but it was a pleasure to meet another OBCer. Chuck looking forward to seeing you again at the OBC Tiger outing on June 8 (I do not think we will have trouble getting tickets to see the Tigers). Last night I was a guest of a customer at a suite at Joe Louis Arena to see the President Trophy winning Red Wings. So in 12 days, I have seen Arena FB, NBA, Major League BB (no jokes about the Tigers not being a major league club) and the NHL. I guess my on- line name of Mikesportsfan is rather appropriate. I know some OBCers think BB is the ONLY sport, but it is not. Even though the Tigers were drubbed in the opener, I had a great time at all 4 games. Not too many areas can boast of having teams in all of the sports playing locally. Our Tigers and Lions may be down, but it is still a great town for sports. Yesterday, on the way to the Red Wing game I stopped at a small weekly card show and missed Mark Talbot, who had already come and gone. I did spend a total of $1 at Mark's fav dealer & picked up 2 1971 Kellogg's FB in nice shape (no cracks or curls). This Saturday is the Spring Game for the Michigan Wolverines football team (the Michigan State Spartans cancelled their spring game due to poor field conditions). A buddy of mine wants to drive there (45 minutes) and watch UM get ready for the fall season. Tomorrow night starts a weekend show in Livonia (20 minutes from me) where there will be autograph guests. Tomorrow you can get a free autograph from 1 of 2 guys who played on the Detroit Lions last World Championship team (1957). On Saturday there is a different card show in Dearborn (25 minutes from me) with multiple former Red Wings signing (I won't be getting any autographs there, because they charge for them, although I believe most of the proceeds go to a charity). Can anybody else "top" this kind of variety of sports entertainment in their area? Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: Dis n' Dat Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 18:06:05 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" I hope this is getting out there....my email server has been down for 3 days, so if anyone sent me anything, sorry, I didn't get it. Being without email is hard...I don't mind if my bride doesn't talk to me for a day or 3, but email is a different matter. I managed to keep up with Ramblings etc. by going to Groups...but....it's sorta like losing a friend. Tim, the only thing I can think of about those T206's that are glued down is the buyer...I think it's Dave Levin, of Dave's Baseball Cards. He does some wierd and funky BB card artwork...takes cards that are thrashed on one side and has them matted and puts them into a frame and tries to sell them for exorbitant prices. He has examples of them on his website...kinda neat, but too much money. Gee, you'd think after 3 days without email I'd have more to say! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: fcfs 1973 topps Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:28:25 From: "jeff sinclair" guys, these are very, very, nice cards. come get 'em 7 8 18 20 26 36 37 40 41 46 47 69 78 79 82 91 94 96 99 102 104 105 106 117 125 129 134 425 574 583 627 628 638 648 Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 08:49:13 -0400 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Dan Austin's Virtual Collection" has been updated! From: Dan Austin I have finally added a few more sets to the Virtual Collection page including my newly completed 1950 Remar set. You can check it out at: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/index.html Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Seemingly exorbitant T206 ebay lot spotted by Tim Newcomb Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 20:52:41 -0400 From: "James Moleta" Wow! Now bear in mind that I receive all my OBC mail via digest, so if someone has already brought this up, I apologize... Some of you serious T206 collectors will be upset that you missed this (if you had an extra $900 just sitting around, that is.) In addition to HOFer Addie Joss, who books at around $400-$500, one of the ultra-rare T206 error cards was among the cards in this lot! If you supersize the 2nd pic, you will see the card of Sweeney, and realize that it is the "no B" variation where the Magenta ink is missing! This card lists for $8000 (yes, 3 zeroes) in the '02 Lemke guide! Not a bad 10% pickup if Levin can steam the card off of the mat it is glued onto... Maybe I'll earn a T206 degree someday! All for now, >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 16:19:05 -0500 > From: "tim newcomb" >Subject: T206 lot on ebay today >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1818684732 >Can anybody explain this to me? I must be missing something. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: rare card Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:50:48 -0700 From: "Al Cummings" From Bill Henderson so you know it is a good deal graded right http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/63947610 Big Al in Seattle Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1952 Topps Print Runs, etc Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 08:07:09 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" I have a theory that each series of 1952 Topps were printed on 2 100-card sheets. I wrote an article on the subject for SCD two years ago which is included in the OBC library (minus the illustrations) at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/5253printing.html I have not seen an uncut sheet of 1st series 1952 Topps, but I felt that ofthe 80 cards in the series, 40 cards were triple printed and 40 cards weredouble printed for a total of 200 cards printed on two sheets. Price guides have made no distinction in scarcities, however it looks like half the cards are 50% scarcer than the others.(unless 4 sheets were used which I don't think is the case.) An ebay item http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1820145851 is of interest in that the miscut card of #38 Wally Westlake shows that card #28 Jerry Priddy was printed in rows on both sides of the Westlake card. I still haven't figured out which cards are scarcer but I feel I now know that card numbers 21 through 30 aren't among them. So don't try to trade me your Jerry Priddy even up for a Wally Westlake. I don't know if I'd call this "fun" on a Saturday morning but it is an interesting hobby to discover new things 50 years after the fact. If any of you have any additional information on this subject from uncut sheets or miscuts, please let me know. I can also send anyone who wants one aspreadsheet showing the assumed print sequences. Another item of interest on ebay to any fellow variation nuts is a Harry Elliott printing goof/variation at : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1819784716 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 21:19:26 +0800 Subject: availables From: " john harrell" A few weeks ago I sent out a list of available cards with two 54 Bowmans on it. Those cards were requested but I (duh!) lost the emails. Would the two people who requested them help out an aging academic by resending. The #'s were 3 & 76. ================= Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 14:54:52 EDT Subject: Re: info you requested To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com I've compiled some of the spam that made it through the filter this week and slightly edited it to make an availables list. ACT NOW!! Please confirm your entry in the Pentium 1.2 Gigahertz PC Giveaway within 24 hours. Unclaimed prizes will be awarded to runners-up. Click on the confirmation number below for details: Confirm - #293UY7A1 Runner up prize: 1953 Bowman B/W #10 I am a former VP of a large public company that has been working for the last 6 months on a *card* elimination system that does not effect your credit. Why did I do this? I was laid off after 10 years and forced to deal with collectors and *card* consolidation companies that offered the world and then delivered nothing but NM UV junk that would negatively effect my *binder* and make my situation even worse. 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To find out how you can participate and achieve a monthly puffy of between 3% and 5% (30% to 50% yearly) with a relatively small collection click here http://members.aol.com/cardclctor/index.html 1954 Bowman 13 18 18 18 24 60 108 ============================================================= To opt-out from our "in house" mailing list, please go to the following: cardclctor@aol.com or ken.m@excite.com 1966 Topps 120 574 Do you currently own a card collection? Are you tired of paying high maintenence fees? Would you like to sell or rent your wantlist for a profit? If so I can help Stop fooling around with companies that promise and don't deliver! 1968 Topps 215 Must be over 18 years of age. (or plan to be 18 at some point in your life) Reply with your NAME AND AREA CODE WITH PHONE NUMBER,(or just your name and I'll figure it out from my directory) And the best cards to send you BY CLICKING HERE! 1948 Bowman 4 This is a free informational phone call (and availables list). There is no obligation! (but I'd appreciate it if you took some of these off my hands) EXTREME HARDCORE ADULT CONTENT CHECK THIS GUY OUT WHO PICKS UP baseball cards RIGHT OFF THE STREET AND GETS THEM TO MAKE A HARDCORE XXX VIDEO (only my camcorder is broken, so I'll just send the cards) THIS IS A MUST SEE Some of these cards are kinda dirty looking though: 1951 Bowman 131 252 Ken M Coordinator, President, CEO, shameless spammer ================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:42:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A few waivers From: "bobs7714" Hello all, A few waivers to offer to a good home. 59`T: 138 170 189 288 296 299 361 370 393 412 484 60`T: 6 29 30 37 38 72 76 77 94 95 98 104 120 172 174 245 261 286 396 All are in typical OBC condition g/vg. I will not mail until Tuesday since I do not want to get within 50 miles of a post office Monday, April 15th. Have a great Sunday! Bob Schaub ================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:50:47 EDT Subject: Show report: Marlborough, MA Tri-Star show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Heading to the show yesterday, I was very skeptical. Their first offering in December wasn't all that good, so I set my expectations very low. Lo and behold I was pleasantly surprised! While unslabbed/affordable vintage was almost non-existant before, there was quite a bit this time. A few more familiar dealers set up this time around too (Roger Neufeldt, Ron Wheeler, My day started with Jason Chartrand, who I've met before and has some really nice vintage OPC cards. I pulled a few hits from my 1966 set...of course all but one were in the condition I really wanted. While trying to set a price for these and some other OPC, I looked through his non-OPC box for more stuff to get the price down. Then what do I see? Some trimmed E101 caramel cards! I picked up all he had and made a reasonable deal for the whole pile. Good start, I say to myself. My day got better while wandering around aimlessly through the show. While examining some T205's at one table, the dealer said I was being paged. Huh? Oh...sitting at the next table was Spike Glidden! I'm glad someone snapped me out of my trance! We spent the rest of the day together going through boxes and laughing at autographed trainer cards :-) While Spike was working on his Bowman sets at one table, I excused myself to get a bottle of water. On my way back, I noticed a bargain box with some 1952 Topps cards. I also found a few Goudeys (American and Canadian), a Diamond Star Luke Appling and a few old boxing cards to boot! I'll let Spike tell you about his take. Hmmm...building on my good start, I say to myself. After we finally found the water fountain, we roamed the hall some more until it was time to go. In the parking lot, Spike let me go through his dupes box, where I was able to pull a 1967 hi number Johhny Klippstein. Spike also threw in a toothless 1952 Topps Granny Hamner. Thanks for the cards and the great company Spike! Great finish, I say to myself. So, the show was much better this time around. A casual review of the dealers was mixed. Two or three said told me early in the day that the show wasn't that good for them (show opened Friday afternoon). As the day went on, dealers were a little more upbeat. The next one is in September. I'm not marking my calendar just yet...who knows if I'll have any money leftover from the National? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 15:17:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Updated waiver list From: "bobs7714" Good morning! I have added to my waiver list and deleted the ones already claimed. Winners of multiple lots will get combined shipping.;-) 56T: 80W 106(3)W 119(2)W 59T: 174 191 246 361 60T: 6 30 37 38 76 77 94 95 98 104 120 172 174 245 261 286 61T: 12 15 31 33(2) 34 39(3) 59 60 73 82 119 130 165 179(2) 197 225 229 238 256 267 270 283 63T: 26 32 42 52 82 186 404 64T: 14 26 30(2) 31(2) 39 42 52 54 82 83 90 96 105 107 110 111 113 115 122 124 127 132 179 184 191 193 196(2) 212 66: 32 255 Stargell very well loved 257 387 389 415 436 441 445 446 448 459 Bob Schaub ================= Subject: Spike's Show report: Marlborough, MA Tri-Star show Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 13:32:01 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden On 4/14/02 7:50 AM, Jrhatchjr@aol.com said: >Heading to the show yesterday, I was very skeptical. Their first offering >in December wasn't all that good, so I set my expectations very low. I have to agree with Jim on the assessment of the previous show, which was picked up somewhat only by the presence of other OBCers (Jim, Steve R, Rob Pigeon). As I mentioned to Jim, I know it's a bad time at a show when I'm looking for football cards of UW alums from the 10 cent box after one hour (which is what happened last time). The Tri-Sports people are at least trying to get people out to this show, lining up autograph guests like Magic Johnson and Johnny Bench, along with a bunch of smaller and local names (some Patriots, Sam Jones, etc). I suppose the ideal OBC show would have less people like Magic and more people like Sam, though. I started the show by doing an aisle weave along one side of the show, eventually ending up near the far wall at a table with a "beat up" box. Though I didn't actually buy anything from the box (beat up cards, pristine prices), I did run into Jim there, which was both better and much less expensive. It took me a little while to find a table worth going through, but I eventually found a couple of familiar dealers with 50 cent and $1 boxes. The 50 cent box yielded a trimmed 59 high number, then I picked up a few 55 and 56s for $1 each and a few 51 and 52 Bowmans for $2 each. >On my way back, I noticed a bargain box with some 1952 Topps cards. I also >found a few Goudeys (American and Canadian), a Diamond Star Luke Appling >and a few old boxing cards to boot! I'll let Spike tell you about his take. >Hmmm...building on my good start, I say to myself. While Jim was soaking this table for prewar cards, I made another jump on my 52 Topps set by picking up about 40 hits, including three Yankees. The list was $2 each, but we managed to get our 54 cards plus a nice 54 Bowman Pee Wee for $100 even. Goodbye, spending money! This was definitely the best table at the show for us. It's probably good there wasn't another one like it, or I would've had to hit the ATM a few times. >After we finally found the water fountain, we roamed the hall some more >until it was time to go. Parenthetical to the water fountain (sweet, sweet water), the dealer next to it had a trio of 1969 Supers, the only ones I saw at the show. Of course, he wanted $40 each (!) for two commonds, and $210 for the Drysdale. Um, as if! This set is getting harder to hit for the small money, but someday it will be mine--OH YES--it will be mine. >...where I was able to pull a 1967 hi number Johhny Klippstein. This was one of those "when it rains, it pours" eBay moments. About two weeks ago, I put in three low-ball bids on #588 Mr. Klippstein, figured I'd get one of them. Oops, got all three! Fortunately, 67 high numbers are easy to give away. I've got one more available to the first claimant. >The next one is in September. I'm >not marking my calendar just yet...who knows if I'll have any money leftover >from the National? I'm working on my own plans for the National, though I have similar concerns about actually bringing any money back with me. Guess it's time to start saving those shekels! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Subject: 56 Checklist for $10 on eBay Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:42:43 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1821314709 OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:17:35 EDT Subject: The "T" word To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com I picked up a nice lot of '52 cards that left me with three dupes, two high numbers. The cards are Herman Wehmeier (black back, #80), Ewell Blackwell (#344), and Joe Rossie (#379). The Wehmeier card mis missing the upper right corner. The Blackwell card has a few creases. The Rossie card is missing gloss on the front. All in all some nice cards. Anyone interested in making a trade? Let me know. Thanks. ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 00:00:32 EDT Subject: AVAILABLES-including 52 topps, 33 Goudey To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i went to the local hotel monthly card show today and a dealer had some rough 33 goudeys- the kind only OBC people like me would buy - but the price was right so i bought a few- i am putting one of them up as an available as these Goudeys seem to be the easiest card for me to give away- 33 Goudey # 145- George Walberg--(too bad it isn't # 144) 52 topps # 204-Ron Northey- trimmed but white border still showing on 3 sides- 52 topps # 17-(red back) Jim Hegan- paper stuck to back from gluing 1961 Golden Press # 19- Frankie Frisch 1960 topps # 292- Dodger backstops=Pignatano & Roseboro 1960 topps hi # 516-Marty Kutyna 1955 Bowman tv # 220= Jim Hearn 1957 topps # 178- Brooklyn Dodger- Don Bessent 1965 topps # 400- Harmon Killebrew- 1956 topps # 28- Bobby Hofman 1952 topps # 50-Red Back- Marv Rickert-puncture-(Hey, i thought kids only aimed their BB guns at Dodgers!) 1962 Post # 14 Norm Cash 71-72 topps basketball # 100 the big "O"- Oscar Robertson 1968 topps # 420-Ron Santo- sporting news all-star 1950 Bowman Football # 105- Eddie Price- N.Y.Giants 1959 topps hi # 546- Al Schroll-(Who's this guy??Had a LONG career in the minors dating back to 1951 for San Jose- this guy really moved around- 1952- Albany--1953- Greensboro- 1955- Louisville-1956- Okla. City 1957- San Francisco-PCL-1958 Boston-join the minors and see the world- ) ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 04:40:14 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Canon A-40/ SPAM/ 3 Thanks/ tips for digital camera shoppers From: keithsummers@webtv.net Thanks goes out to T206guy Mark Atnip for a PreWar hit of Ed Summers, Geno for a 63 Pirates Team card & Al Crotte for 3 Fleer 1972 Famous Feats cards! I have read several times to NEVER reply back to spam saying "I want to be removed" as this just confirms to the spammer that your email is still valid. However, a friend who works with computers, says she has never heard of that & if you don't reply back you'll just keep getting emails & it is by law that they have to remove you. My comment was THEY MAY REMOVE YOU FROM "THEIR" LIST BUT THEN THEY SELL YOUR ADDY TO 6 OTHER GUYS. Can somebody here shed light on this subject? DISCARD NOW IF YOU DON'T CARE TO READ A RAMBLE ABOUT DIGITAL CAMERAS! YOU'VE BEEN WARNED! --------------------------------------------------- I bought a digital camera last week. It's a CANON A-40 which I highly recommend to anyone who is willing to spend up to $299 for one. I researched digital cameras for about a month comparing features & prices on flyers, websites & talking with sales people & current DC owners. I also used http://www.consumerreports.org which is great. The A-30 is very similar (same owners manual but 1.2 mp & 2x opt) & cheaper. If $299 is out of your range look at the A-30. I doubt you'll find a BETTER $299 camera unless you wait till Winter. It has 2.5x optical zoom (7.5 total), 2.0 megapixels with 3 resolution settings, built in flash (6 modes), has Manual & Program modes along with AUTO, shutter speed (1/1500 to 15 secs) exposure compensation (-2 to +2) slide show capability, 1.5 LCD color monitor, viewfinder, tripod mount, 5 ISO settings (50-400), white balance, macro (for up close, ie. cards!), stitch assist (panoramic), date/time/pic#, continous shooting (2.5 per sec!), self timer (2 or 10 sec), has a "video out" jack, does mini movies in 2 resolutions (320/160) & with audio, shoots B&W, uses 4 AA batteries, DPOF, has magnification for viewing, camera shake & low light warning & you can edit centering or rotate photos & comes with a 1 yr warranty! Plus it looks nice, is in a solid casing (not plastic) & you can buy lenses that attach to it. I've learned of several features it has since I got it (177 pg manual). I admit I didn't look at Sony much but I did look at Olympus 510, HP 318 & 612, Kodak 3600, Panasonic & Nikon 775. The Nikon 775 is "very nice" but was ruled out for some reason that I can't remember now ($400?). HPs don't have a VIDEO OUT jack which is mandatory with me having WEBTV. Plus with this I can record all the photos & videos on a VHS to mail to Granny or have a slide show using the TV. Several sales people told me to avoid Kodaks plastic lenses but the 3600 was in my top 7. Most of my shots will be within 40 feet so 2.5x optical is all I need. The A-40 fits in my shirt pocket. The Olympus 510 was high on my list but does not have audio in the movie mode. It's $254 at Target now (was $299 in March) but it can't beat Canon optics. I have sent/posted some crummy photos in the past since I was using a 1992 Magnavox Camcorder. If anyone wants more info or sample photos just let me know (WEBTV units can NOT get or send viruses). I'd also like to hear from anyone else that has or knows of the A-40/A-30. Wolf had a special where I got $21 off any accessories (7%). I got a HP100 portable photo printer which kicks out high quality 4x6 photos in 45 seconds! It accepts compact flash, smart media & memory stick! No more film to buy or trips to Wolf for developing wondering if they'll lose my stuff or if they'll be underexposed, etc. . Plus if you don't like the shot, discard & take another instantly! If you don't want to spring $179 for the small portable HP100 photo printer (imagine taking it with you to the next party, family get together or OBC swap meet) just pop out the CF card & use the photo printer on the counter at Wolf. BTW, it just came out (A-40) in March & I had a tough time locating one. I saved an online review I can email anyone. TIP: WalMart is $1 cheaper ($199/$198) on most cameras "basically" than all the others (Office max, Best Buy, Wolf, Circuit City, Target) "BUT" you can get free photo paper or a free memory card at some of those other places. Just make sure your zoom feature works before you leave the store. I had to drive 40 miles round trip to get a replacement after calling 12 stores to find the 1st one! Best Buy gets up to 4 every week & they sell out in 2 hours. A store owner told me Canon sent an early model & he was VERY impressed. The first couple of times all of the many features (I did NOT mention them all) are intimidating but I'm starting to catch on & memorize them so it's much more fun to use, esp now that my zoom works :-) BYE NOW! ================= To: Subject: Fantasy Help Needed !! Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 06:37:10 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" For the last two years I've used Team Tracker by Spin Stats to do our fantasy baseball stats. They have changed hands and are concentrating on a higher end product. Team Tracker isn't ready yet if it ever will be and I'll have to re-enter all our teams to use it. Therefore, I need to look around and find a service for this year. Our league is pretty simple in that the stats we use are standard and we only maketransactions once a month (although not at the last day of the month). Anybody have any services they recommend I look into !?!?!?!?!? ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:38:20 EDT Subject: need card #'s of 50's player Pat Muller To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i saw a man in the market this morning with a 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers jacket on and he is from Brooklyn- living in the San Fernando Valley like me too- he said his cousin played major league ball in the 50's but he has no cards of him- Pat Mueller or Muller- what team did he play for and can someone check a book and give me the issued card #'s of his from the various years- i would like to give this guy a card of his cousin- ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: sweet caporal disc Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:43:34 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Can anybody answer this question that I recieved in my e-mail? I know kind of vaguely what the guy is talking about, but I don't have one of the big SCD or Beckett books that would identify it precisely and give a value. I assume of course that a Lajoie disc in ex or so condition would probably be a fairly high dollar I have in my possession what I am told is a 1910 Sweet Caporal disc with the image of HOF Napoleon Lajoie on the front, its a paper disc with a metal ring around it. It looks to be in excellent condition. It also had dominos on the reverse. I cant find anything about it or its Mike L. ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 13:49:07 EDT Subject: Goudeys on ebay-Reasonable??? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have noticed a way to win vintage cards reasonable on ebay- most bidders hit the "ending today" icon on the different categories-they are only concerned with auctions closing today-- Not too many people search ebay to bid on cards closing 5 days from now- but ebay has a buy it now feature and that can be an advantage for someone who searches new postings- sometimes the buy it now is reasonable and it helps because of not too many people looking at auctions closing days ahead- an example is some goudeys i think i picked up reasonable (for me at least)-- eBay item 1821628981 (Ends Apr-14-02 23:... i used the "buy it now" option because this is a good price for these cards for me- these Goudeys sell for $10 to $20 and up- even in this condition - at shows and shops in expensive Los Angeles where i live- to get them for under $5 each for me is a bargain- But i just know some OBC member is going to e-mail me and say i paid too much because in Custerville, Arizona or Jackrabbit, New Mexico where they live the same goudeys sell for $1 each at card shops- Linda ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:25:18 -0400 (EDT) To: JazzGirl1920s@AOL.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Pat? Mueller From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:22:29 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need card #'s of 50's player Pat Muller To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com From: smart1853@aol.com Some possible matches: 1952 Topps--#52 Don Mueller #275 Pat Mullin 1954 Topps--#42 Don Mueller 1956 Topps--#241 " " 1949 Bowman--#56 Pat Mullin 1950 Bowman--#135 " " 1951 Bowman--#106 " " 1952 Bowman--#183 " " 1953 Bowman B&W--#4 "' " 1954 Bowman--#151 Pat Mullin hope this helps--not sure about the team but will do some looking. Brian Dwyer ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 08:37:43 EDT Subject: Can someone explain this to me? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com What makes a 10 1000 times more valuable than an 8? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1821499585 ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:03:59 EDT Subject: a novel use for 52 topps To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i went to the local hotel monthly card show yesterday- Naturally the first thing i do is check all the dealers for my favorite cards- 52 topps- one dealer had a fresh stack of them- i noticed one of the previous owners had a novel use for the cards i have not seen before- he obviously tried to create a deck of playing cards from them- each card was marked on the front a different playing card like "Joker" or "7 of Hearts" - the dealer had purchased a "full Deck" Unfortunately all of the cards were overpriced due to low condition created by writing on the front of the cards- i just had to buy one anyway- i bought the one with the Joker written on the front in blue pen- it was card # 16- Gene Hermanski- i thought it was interesting the card assigned to Mays- Can you guess- ?? it was sure an appropriately assigned card- "Jack Of Diamonds"- Very appropriate because Mays was a Jack of Trades-Skills- He did so many things well- base stealing , hitting , fielding -i ddin't buy the other "Joker" card - It was too expensive- it was #1 - Pafco- Anyone else see 52 topps converted into a deck of playing cards?? Also there were no high numbers in the 52 cards- Linda ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:36:42 -0400 (EDT) To: JazzGirl1920s@AOL.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: 16 cards for Pat Mullin From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:53:29 -0400 (EDT) To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com (jcollins12) Subject: 1909-12 Sweet Caporal Domino Disc (PX7) #66 Lajoie From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jcollins12" Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 09:43:34 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sweet caporal disc ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudeys on ebay-Reasonable??? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 19:00:39 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Actually here in Boston they give you a free Goudey with a fill up at the local gas station ;-). Seriously, about 2-3 years ago when I was single and had lots of disposable cash I bought quite a few Goudeys on eBay. I think you got a pretty good ================= To: Subject: Seaver, anyone? Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 05:37:55 -0700 From: "Geno Wagner" OBCers -- Didn't somebody say they needed a 1974 Seaver (#80) to complete their set the other day? I found a one, so let me know if whoever it was still needs one. I also have a few 1978 Andre Dawson cards in nice shape (#72) that I picked up if anybody wants one of those... Take Care, Geno ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Next Fort Washington, PA show Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 11:41:31 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The next 3 day show is the first weekend in May. Who's going? ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:06:45 EDT Subject: Re: Spam To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 4/16/02 2:53:06 AM, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: << I have read several times to NEVER reply back to spam saying "I want to be removed" as this just confirms to the spammer that your email is still valid. However, a friend who works with computers, says she has never heard of that & if you don't reply back you'll just keep getting emails & it is by law that they have to remove you. My comment was THEY MAY REMOVE YOU FROM "THEIR" LIST BUT THEN THEY SELL YOUR ADDY TO 6 OTHER GUYS. Can somebody here shed light on this subject? >> I think your assumption is true. I've sent some of the offending spam to various domains (abuse@domain_name.com) and a couple have written back with those same tips: Replying only lets the spammer know that your account is active and you'll end up getting more spam. It doesn't necessarily have to be from the same person who spammed you in the first place. What law are they breaking if they don't remove you and who do I tell about repeated infractions? Is there an organization that enforces the anti-spam laws? I don't think anyone is quaking in their boots about the 'spam police' coming after them. I've gotten the same XXX website advertised from four or five different domains in the same week - all with the same return address. Most of the time the headers are forged, so the spammer won't lose their account. This means that I usually send a piece of mail to a service that it didn't originate from. Several of those services do go after spammers that forge their domain names though. I've also recieved directions on how to figure out where the e-mail originated from, but it's slightly more confusing that reading chinese as far as I can tell. (What is a whois?) On a related topic, I got a couple dozen responses to my own recent 'spam'. Now that I know your accounts are active, it means that most of you will probably keep getting relentless e-mails from me until all my dupes are gone... as well as nonsense like this letter. Some of you may have been hesitant to reply for the reasons expressed above, but I hope that everyone who did respond will be pleased they did. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 11:26:19 EDT Subject: Famous sports quotes indicating IQ! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Chicago Cubs outfielder Andre Dawson on being a role model: "I want all the kids to do what I do, to look up to me, to copulate me." New Orleans Saint RB George Rogers when asked about the upcoming season: "I want to rush for 1,000 or 1,500 yards, whichever comes first." Football commentator and former player Joe Theismann 1996: "Nobody in football should be called a genius. A genius is a guy like Norman Einstein." Senior basketball player at the University of Pittsburgh: "I'm going to graduate on time, no matter how long it takes." Bill Peterson, a Florida State football coach: "You guys line up alphabetically by height." And "You guys pair up in groups of three, then line up in a circle." Stu Grimson, Chicago Blackhawks left wing, explaining why he keeps a color photo of himself above his locker: "That's so when I forget how to spell my name, I can still find my clothes." Shaquille O'Neal on whether he had visited the Parthenon during his visit to Greece: "I can't really remember the names of the clubs that we went to." Shaquille O'Neal, on his lack of championships: "I've won at every level, except college and pro." Lou Duva, veteran boxing trainer, on the Spartan training regime of heavyweight Andrew Golota: "He's a guy who gets up at six o'clock in the morning regardless of what time it is." Pat Williams, Orlando Magic general manager, on his team's 7-27 record in 1992: "We can't win at home. We can't win on the road. As general manager, I just can't figure out where else to play." Chuck Nevitt, North Carolina State basketball player, explaining to Coach Jim Valvano why he appeared nervous at practice: "My sister's expecting a baby, and I don't know if I'm going to be an uncle or an aunt." Jim Finks, New Orleans Saints General Manager, when asked, after a loss, what he thought of the refs: "I'm not allowed to comment on lousy no good officiating." Alan Kulwicki, stock car racer, on racing Saturday nights as opposed to Sunday afternoons: "It's basically the same, just darker." Torrin Polk, University of Houston receiver, on his coach, John Jenkins: "He treats us like men. He lets us wear earrings." Shelby Metcalf, basketball coach at Texas A&M, recounting what he told a player who received four F's and one D: "Son, looks to me like you're spending too much time on one subject." Oiler coach Bum Phillips when asked by Bob Costas why he takes his wife on all road trips, Phillips responded: "Because she is too damned ugly to kiss good-bye." ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ramble: why we hate UV Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 08:33:22 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Hi all, I recently picked up a copy of the latest "Tuff Stuff" card magazine and price guide because of an interesting article that I noticed on the cover about the recent decline in popularity of rookie cards because of all of the memorabilia, bat and jersey cards, etc. (It was tough enough for me to actually shell out cash to purchase the magazine, because I normally don't buy more than 2 of these monthly type price guides a year, but the article looked interesting). As I read, I once again had to shake my head at the rediculous state our hobby is in at the present time. If things seemed to be headed off course in the late 80's and early 90's, then the hobby as a whole must be completely lost The article mainly looks at the interest in rookie cards from 1982 until the present. The difference is startling. In '82, a Cal Ripken Topps traded could be had for about $1.25. That was his best rookie card that year. Of course that is a more valuable card now (about $200) but then again it has been 20 years since it was issued. Today because of the memorabilia and insert card craze, the game is different. Most collectors of the modern stuff, the article says, don't even care about rookie cards anymore, but last year was an exception because of two very good rookies in both the AL and NL. Last year's best rookie was of course Ichiro Suzuki. And what does a kid face when he is looking for an Ichiro card these days? Well, according to this article, Ichiro had 263 cards last year (obviously I wasn't counting, I don't own a one). 45 of those 263 are deemed "rookie cards." And if a kid wants Ichiro's "best" rookie, well that would be his autographed SPx #150, which can be had for about $700. Rediculous? I grew up in a hobby where the "veterans" considered it rediculous to have to deal with Donruss and Fleer and update sets in addition to the annual Topps set. Clearly that was mild compared to what is happening in the hobby now. I see all of this and wonder what is it going to be like 15 or 20 years from now when today's kids, the few of them that will pay 4 and 5 dollars a pack hoping for an insert card with Luis Gonzalez game chewed gum or something, grow up? Will they see how rediculous the hobby is / was? Will the cards be worth anything? Will those kids continue to collect and promote the hobby (will there still be a hobby)? Or will they all see the error of their ways and join OBC? Maybe in 20 years, OBC members will be collecting those "vintage" overproduced sets of the mid-80's.....humm. Just had to vent on this subject. Oh, and also in this magazine is an ad for a new company that grades autographed baseballs, just like cards. They put the ball in a special cube and put a grading tag on it from 1-100. Hey, anybody want to trade a Bonds 97 for a Giambi 99? Give me a break ! ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 13:54:17 EDT Subject: why we hate UV - My solution To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Instead of griping... I feel that the proper thing here is for the OBC to get AHEAD of the game. I have mentioned this before but I will mention it again... Game used PLAYER cards. That's right, if we start now we can probably corner the market on these things. My idea is simple. It's one thing to get a card with a piece of Babe Ruth's jersey in it.. but how about opening a pack and getting a piece of BABE RUTH! Let's get some lawyers to contact the Ruth estate and see if they will let us dig the old fellow up. You can take your Jeff Bagwell game used batters box dirt card (No lie... I saw one of these the other day..) and stuff it becuase it's nothing compared to my game used Babe Ruth FIBULA card! Think of how many homers he hit with this EXACT FIBULA! Eventually we could put out a set consisting of every deceased member of the Hall of Fame! (Plus Joe Jackson, Carl Mays and Hal Chase just for fun) Scarcity would not be determined by artificial means... it would be determined by the bones invloved. Clearly the Babe Ruth "bones of the inner ear" card would be a 1 of 1 since they are so small. There would be a lot of Ruth Fibula cards. Also, cards of more valuable bones would be in greater demand. Bones from the hands would be more valuable than say bones from the skull since most players don't use that one. (except in the case of the special edition Ray Chapman card) Think of the fun combination cards you could put together. For instance... the previously mentioned Ray Chapman skull and the Carl Mays pitching hand card would be priceless. In addition, cards of players that were creamated would be much more scarce. For the young collector which can't afford to pay the $2100 per pack that we would have to charge... we can put together less expensive sets. HOF grave dirt cards would be a possibility (harkening back to the Bagwell batters box dirt card). In addition that would be a renewable resource as we could dig up and refill the hole as often as nescesarry, thus lowering cost for aquisition of new material. I don't mean to brag, but I am clearly a visionary when it comes to cards. I invite all of you on the bandwagon. PS.. if you have a child or grandchild that you think has what it takes... start saving those baby teeth, tonsils, appendices toe nails and hair clippings. There might be a representative from Donruss call you one day. Back to shoveling. ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 15:33:17 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV - My solution--ummm... To: T206Guy@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com ummm...would we be doing this for basketball? apparently 50,000 women already had a piece of Wilt Chamberlin... ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: No job for Steve Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:06:17 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The job offer as a data analyst from a prestigious downtown DC law firm isn't going to happen. After two interviews, reference checks by the recruiter, references checked again by the Senior Partner at the law firm, it all ends with a voice mail saying "they've decided to continue looking". I'll be starting up a 6 week contract to do some work at home shortly. Isuppose that should be some consolation but is not. ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:12:43 -0400 (EDT) To: t206guy@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV - My solution From: Originaleek@webtv.net I think exhuming bodies might prove difficult, think of the "cut" the families and agents would demand. Let's not overlook my earlier suggestion of medical/surgical & dental procedures. After all "parts is parts" no matter where you get them. Also things like gauze from dressings, cotton swabs, sutures, the list is endless. My daughter is an Operating Room Tech and I'm sure she can think of many more possibilities. As far as saving your grandchildren's baby teeth, tonsils and such, I think we should start even earlier; diapers. This post just went from juvenile to infantile, good thing the wife is out of town or I would lose my internet privileges again. For those who are repulsed by this post, take pity I'm an 0-11 Tiger fan. We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Spam Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:13:14 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" One way to deal with this (if you use Microsoft Outlook as your email reader) is to set up "Junk Mail" rules to redirect your spam into a specific folder. You can set it up to redirect email which contain certain key words, like "mortgage" or "viagra" for example. You can also set it to recognise "friendly" email addresses or email which contain good key words, such as "OBC" or "Tigers", and simply leave these messages in your Inbox. After a while, you can build up quite a comprehensive set of rules which filter out 90% of the junk. Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: cardclctor@aol.com [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com] Sent: 16 April 2002 14:07 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Spam In a message dated 4/16/02 2:53:06 AM, keithsummers@webtv.net writes: << I have read several times to NEVER reply back to spam saying "I want to be removed" as this just confirms to the spammer that your email is still valid. However, a friend who works with computers, says she has never heard of that & if you don't reply back you'll just keep getting emails & it is by law that they have to remove you. My comment was THEY MAY REMOVE YOU FROM "THEIR" LIST BUT THEN THEY SELL YOUR ADDY TO 6 OTHER GUYS. Can somebody here shed light on this subject? >> I think your assumption is true. I've sent some of the offending spam to various domains (abuse@domain_name.com) and a couple have written back with those same tips: Replying only lets the spammer know that your account is active and you'll end up getting more spam. It doesn't necessarily have to be from the same person who spammed you in the first place. What law are breaking if they don't remove you and who do I tell about repeated infractions? Is there an organization that enforces the anti-spam laws? I don't think anyone is quaking in their boots about the 'spam police' coming after them. I've gotten the same XXX website advertised from four or five different domains in the same week - all with the same return address. Most of the time the headers are forged, so the spammer won't lose their account. This means that I usually send a piece of mail to a service that it didn't originate from. Several of those services do go after spammers that forge their domain names though. I've also recieved directions on how to figure where the e-mail originated from, but it's slightly more confusing that reading chinese as far as I can tell. (What is a whois?) On a related topic, I got a couple dozen responses to my own recent 'spam'. Now that I know your accounts are active, it means that most of you will probably keep getting relentless e-mails from me until all my dupes are gone... as well as nonsense like this letter. Some of you may have been hesitant to reply for the reasons expressed above, but I hope that everyone who did respond will be pleased they did. TAYL, Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:29:20 EDT Subject: why we hate UV-My solution To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bobs7714@aol.com I think the ultimate POP card would contain a "piece of placenta" DNA card and could have a COA from the delivering doctor. Just think also what possibilities this could lead to on the stock market..........Placenta ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV - My solution Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:22:59 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" To take things just a little further, we could produce a subset using parts of Jewish ballplayers which they are, shall we say, separated from at an early age. These cards start off normal size, but if you stroke 'em a little bit - eh, voila! - instant Super sized cards! Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Originaleek@webtv.net [mailto:Originaleek@webtv.net] Sent: 16 April 2002 22:13 To: t206guy@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV - My solution I think exhuming bodies might prove difficult, think of the "cut" the families and agents would demand. Let's not overlook my earlier suggestion of medical/surgical & dental procedures. After all "parts is parts" no matter where you get them. Also things like gauze from dressings, cotton swabs, sutures, the list is endless. My daughter is an Operating Room Tech and I'm sure she can think of many more possibilities. As far as saving your grandchildren's baby teeth, tonsils and such, I think we should start even earlier; diapers. This post just went from juvenile to infantile, good thing the wife is out of town or I would lose my internet privileges again. For those who are repulsed by this post, take pity I'm an 0-11 Tiger fan. We keep what we give away! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 17:53:29 EDT Subject: why i LOVE UV cards- ( at least some of them) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i like UV cards when they are in entire sets devoted to my favorite player, Mickey Mantle- like in the Shoebox Collection- the 1982 Authentic Sports 72 card set- or the 90's Pinnacle set- i also like UV cards when they have players from the 1800's i could never afford on original Allen & Ginters like Mike Kelly, John Ward and of course one of my favorites- Cap Anson--i also like UV cards when they are of old time negro leaguers like Rube Foster who had no cards issued when they were playing-and also Greats of the Game- Legends- that is the kind of UV i like----BUT UV's of 80's and 90's players- i have no interest in those- even if they are clothes bought by employees of Upper Deck at the salvation army and ripped up and put on cards as "game worn" jersey cards- they are game worn all right- by the card companies playing games with fake rags misrepresented as jerseys- remember next time you visit a Goodwill store be sure to demand Upper Deck authenticated rags only!!!-- Linda ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV-My solution Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 18:05:58 -0400 From: "John Collins" It is interesting where this conversation has gone......... John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: bobs7714@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV-My solution I think the ultimate POP card would contain a "piece of placenta" DNA card and could have a COA from the delivering doctor. Just think also what possibilities this could lead to on the stock market..........Placenta Futures! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: on a pace Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:22:09 -0700 From: "Al Cummings" Did you know ... Seattle is on pace to win 81 road games Detroit in on pace to lose 162 games Bonds is on pace to hit 103 homes runs The problem with small samples but fun huh? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:24:16 -0400 (EDT) To: alcattle@hotmail.com (Al Cummings) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] on a pace From: Originaleek@webtv.net Not so fun if you're a Tiger fan, unless you have a weird sense of humor. Which come to think of it, recent postings from Glenn would suggest that to be true. Glad to see St. Al back in full form, but you missed one. 1,478 called third strikes on Tiger batters. We keep what we give away! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Off servers till 4/29/02 Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:30:37 -0400 From: "James Moleta" I am unsubscribing from all the servers (except OBC Announcements) till at least 4/29/02. Reasons include: a) concentrating on getting married and enjoying my honeymoon (woo-hoo!!) b) my email box is nearing capacity (uh-oh!) c) looking for a new job (boy, aint the corporate world's timing great for In the event that someone needs to reach me in the interim, please email me directly at james_moleta@hotmail.com, as I will have email access till at least Saturday morning (don't know if the wife will want the laptop coming on the honeymoon, and if it does, I'm not sure what kind of internet access I'll have outside the contiguous 48 anyway!) (Can you tell I am a fan of parenthetical statements!) Take it easy, MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:13:53 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OPCC in the news! From: Dan Austin If you're not familiar with the acronymn, OPCC stand for "O-Pee-Chee Central", a little group organized by Steve Rittenberg and I to help us in completing the tough vintage OPC baseball sets. For those of you familiar with Beckett's "Sports Collectibles: Vintage" magazine, this month's issue features an article on collecting vintage OPC and gives OPCC several nice plugs. Grant and I get mentioned by name. My favorite part was seeing scans of 2 of my cards (the 71 Ryan and the 73 Schmidt) on the cover of the magazine! I have scanned the article and posted it on the website if you'd like to check it out! http://www.iamdanaustin.com/opc/beckett-opcc.html OPCC is open to any and all OBCers who are working on vintage OPC BB sets - the more the merrier! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 22:57:49 EDT Subject: Re:ft. wash To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com re the may show: i was hoping to attend the "next" ft. wash, bu the date is horrible for me in may. when is the show after that? ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:42:17 -0400 (EDT) To: obcron@yahoo.com (Ron Perry) Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks From: Originaleek@webtv.net TIGERS WIN! TIGERS WIN! The worst they can do now is 1-161. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:10:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thank yous From: "sassabeth" I know this is posted to the wrong group, But I have tried for two weeks to post to the "Thank You" list and It keeps coming back...They haven't gotten that fixed yet, but I didn't want to delay in thanking everyone who has made my welcome to the OBC special!!! I am gonna have to update my wantlist to add all the neat cards I recieved! Just wanted to say I will stick to my old beat up cards!!! I really have no preference to the new cards, and I agree with Linda about the authenticity of these 'game worn' jersey cards...Maybe if they would stop shredding up their jerseys and use a little soap and water to reuse them, the price of baseball tickets won't be so high! I have been transformed! I have been a die hard Cardinals fan since I can remember when...My husband loves the Pirates...We have always been at odds on the better team...but gosh darnit if I didn't catch myself cheering for the Pirates the other day...How could I have been transformed? Gotta love them Pirates...Of course the grin on My husband Bob's face is totally unbearable!!! Glenn, your concept of the supersize cards...Interesting!!! lol! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1822257296: E90 "Chief Bender" PSA 6? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 03:26:29 PDT From: amcook93@aol.com This guy is selling a bunch of stuff right now listed with his presumptive grades. I guess these grades ignore the obvious trimming many of them show in the scans. I'll bet the reserves ignore the trimming too. Title of item: E90 "Chief Bender" PSA 6? Starts: Apr-16-02 21:26:25 PDT Ends: Apr-23-02 21:26:25 PDT Price: Starts at $1.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1822257296 Item Description: Listing some of my better cards with resonable reserves. The scan is not the greatest in the world but I think it is clear enough to see that this is an excellent card. I am leaving at the end of the month for 5 weeks to go over seas. This transaction needs to be settled quickly, Cashiers check or Money orders only, no personal checks.I am very professional in my business and will expect the same from you. There is a $5.00 S & H charge, insurance is extra. I will combine auctions at no extra cost. Thanks.. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 20:13:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Outbound waivers From: "bobs7714" Waivers were mailed today to the following members: Glenn Codere Linda Fitak Ray Luurs Grant Rainsley Jeff Sinclair Mark Talbot Bob Wells Tom Williams Take care. Bob Schaub ================= Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 23:57:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Empty Wax Boxes? From: "jimbo777777" I've kind of stumbled onto my latest collecting interest: empty Topps Baseball was display boxes. I've gotten 1975 to date, so far. Besides looking really cool on the shelf, they also make a neat place to store all my dupes. Now comes the really tough ones, from '74 on back. I had a shot at a '65 a few weeks back on ebay, but I got sniped. Anybody else out there doing these? ================= To: 'jimbo777777' , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Empty Wax Boxes? Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:00:04 -0400 From: Mark Talbot Not doing empty boxes Jim, But I do have a collection of full boxes from `79 through `92 or so. I have often considered the folly of collecting pre `78 wax boxes. Does any one have this sort of thing lying around waiting for some sort of trade or sale? I keep an eye out for affordable empty wax boxes though Jim. BE REGARDS ------------ MARK -----Original Message----- From: jimbo777777 [mailto:jimbo777777@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 7:57 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Empty Wax Boxes? I've kind of stumbled onto my latest collecting interest: empty Topps Baseball was display boxes. I've gotten 1975 to date, so far. Besides looking really cool on the shelf, they also make a neat place to store all my dupes. Now comes the really tough ones, from '74 on back. I had a shot at a '65 a few weeks back on ebay, but I got sniped. Anybody else out there doing these? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Thanks Yaz ! Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 17:17:54 -0400 From: "John Collins" Thanks to Greg Conway for a nice assortment of 68's, and 81s- 85s Much appreciated !! John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 18:31:49 EDT Subject: The Corps Thanks Big Mac! To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Thanks out today to Mac Wubben for the Ernie and Nellie show! Mac sends along a DCP of 58 All Star high numbers in Ernie Banks and Nellie Fox. Many thanks I will be away on some well earned leave time from Friday the 19th to Friday the 26th. We are off to the hills of north Georgia to get away from it all for a week. My mom and dad have been nice enough to agree to join us and the grandkids so I am truly looking forward to a week of R&R. Will touch base with ya'll when I return. God Bless America! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:04:48 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hey guys, I vote for simply starting a movement to educate kids on the do's and don'ts of baseball card collecting, and what the intent is/was/or should be. If we all begin with our kids, and they tell their friends, and they tell their friends, etc. then maybe this will eventually all just go away. In other words, let's just start a boycott of the bullshit until it just withers and dies. Is that too optimistic? OBC forever, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 19:17:39 -0400 From: "John Collins" Thanks Matt, That is kind of the spirit that I guess I intended to invoke with the original e-mail. After all, it all goes back to the kids right? Who among us does not collect at least in part because it makes us go back to that feeling we had when we were kids? John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: MatShirley@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV Hey guys, I vote for simply starting a movement to educate kids on the do's and don'ts of baseball card collecting, and what the intent is/was/or should be. If we all begin with our kids, and they tell their friends, and they tell their friends, etc. then maybe this will eventually all just go away. In other words, let's just start a boycott of the bullshit until it just withers and dies. Is that too optimistic? OBC forever, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:39:21 EDT Subject: Time for a story To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all! I've been sort of dormant lately in posting some "mindless ramblings" - not that I can compare with some others in the group (like my neighbor in Everett), but I recently read some comments by Matt Shirley about trying to educate kids about the way card collecting ought to be. Here's a little story from way before my OBC days... A gentleman I worked with was a den leader of his son's Cub Scout troop. I think it was "hobby month" at one point when the gentleman, knowing I was a card collector, asked me if I'd be interested in speaking to the Cub Scouts about my hobby. Politely, he asked if I could focus on the hobby aspect and not so much on the prices. Boy, did he come to the right person :-) So, I took some of my beaters to the local middle school where the meetings were held. After being introduced, I gave a little (off the top of my head) lecture about collecting for the joy of it, downplaying the values. The kids (and the adults there) seemed fascinated by some of the older cards I brought to show, especially the pre-WW1 issues. Many of the kids had not ever seen cards that old or knew they existed. Of course, I was asked about values by the kids a few times. I just kept telling them many collectors collect for the joy of collecting and not necessarily to make money. Basically, collect who, and what, you like at prices you can afford. Trading is fun too. It was a fun experience, and I think at least a few of the kids got my message. It would be cool to think that maybe just one turned into a collector and not a "broker." Then, I found OBC and got an education myself! Happy COLLECTING! ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:57:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why we hate UV To: MatShirley@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Matt - Interesting suggestion! I remember a few years back at our annual OBC gathering in Las Vegas. We attended a minor league game on a special day for children and we were allowed to setup a booth with a OBC banner and we actually gave away cards to kids before the game. Many of the OBCer's manning the booth actually took the time to talk to the kids about collecting. I can especially remember our own Mike Hair holding court and really doing a great job educating the kids on collecting just like you are describing! ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 20:58:28 EDT Subject: Re: Ft. Washington To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 4/17/02 7:38:09 PM, dsh46@aol.com writes: << re the may show: i was hoping to attend the "next" ft. wash, bu the date horrible for me in may. when is the show after that? >> The other two shows this year are Sept. 27-29th and Dec. 6-8th. Of course, everyone is encouraged to attend :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:41:52 EDT Subject: card valuation question To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i saw a 1914 or 1915 cracker jack card at the local monthly hotel card show last weekend- it was not great shape- about G condition- but it was a card of a player in the Federal League- it was $45-i almost bought it but that was too much for me to spend- i thought it would be interesting to have a player who was not in the American or National league- dealer said these Federal league cracker jacks are a premium- $45????? Linda ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Time for a story Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 21:49:22 -0500 From: "Rick & Deb" Jim...GOOD FOR YOU, PAL! Well done! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 7:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Time for a story Greetings all! I've been sort of dormant lately in posting some "mindless ramblings" - not that I can compare with some others in the group (like my neighbor in Everett), but I recently read some comments by Matt Shirley about trying to educate kids about the way card collecting ought to be. Here's a little story from way before my OBC days... A gentleman I worked with was a den leader of his son's Cub Scout troop. I think it was "hobby month" at one point when the gentleman, knowing I was a card collector, asked me if I'd be interested in speaking to the Cub Scouts about my hobby. Politely, he asked if I could focus on the hobby aspect and not so much on the prices. Boy, did he come to the right person :-) So, I took some of my beaters to the local middle school where the meetings were held. After being introduced, I gave a little (off the top of my head) lecture about collecting for the joy of it, downplaying the values. The kids (and the adults there) seemed fascinated by some of the older cardsI brought to show, especially the pre-WW1 issues. Many of the kids had not ever seen cards that old or knew they existed. Of course, I was asked about values by the kids a few times. I just kept telling them many collectors collect for the joy of collecting and not necessarily to make money. Basically, collect who, and what, you like at prices you can afford. Trading is fun too. It was a fun experience, and I think at least a few of the kids got my message. It would be cool to think that maybe just one turned into a collector and not a "broker." Then, I found OBC and got an education myself! Happy COLLECTING! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: 1965 Topps availables Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:05:32 -0400 From: "John Collins" I have finally reached the halfway point with my '65 Topps set (I now have 302, need 296) and have the following dupes (including high numbers) to trade. I would prefer to trade these for other 65's that I need: 23, 27, 28, 35, 37, 39, 56, 59, 67, 68, 76, 77, 83 (2), 85, 87, 88, 90, 96,106, 116, 122 (2), 123, 127, 131, 172, 183, 202, 287, 346, 357, 511, 525, 546, 568, 590 (2), 595 These cards average vg-ex condition with many better and a few worse. Letme know if you have anything you think I could use. John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 22:07:59 -0700 Subject: Re: OBC Membership - possible new member... From: Peter Iversen Hey everyone - here is a person who is interested in joining OBC and would like to get some trades going with people collecting 1972 Topps in higher condition. If any of you think you can help him out - please send him an e-mail. Thanks! Peter - new member guy >>From: Rod Kuchta >>Subject: Re: OBC Membership >Dear Peter: >I would like to start trading 1972 Topps cards to >complete my collection. >Do you know of anyone in the group who has 1972 Topps >cards they would like to trade? My cards are of >pretty high quality, and if possible I would like to >trade quality of card for quality of card. >Thank you for such a quick response. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Seen on the message board Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:06:57 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I suppose this is spam but I feel like some people could benefit. Many of us have bought from Dave over the years. You can go to the message boardand see the rest of the message. 1950's Baseball & Football bargain cards! [ Follow Ups ] [ Post Followup ] [ OBC Message Board ] [ FAQ ] Posted ByDavid Levin on April 17, 2002 at 14:21:12: We currently have a large quantity of lower grade 1950's Topps and Bowman baseball and football cards available at bargain prices (including stars andshort prints). All of these cards are in the g g/vg range. Please email with your wantlists! Dave's Vintage Baseball Cards ================= Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2002 12:07:47 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Star cards t o trade From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, As some of you know, my neighbor, Jim Rizzo, has a wantlist posted on my UV page (I am his consignment trader, is there such a thing?). Well, he has "authorized" me to offer the following stars from the 1970s to the group for any cards you can hit off his lists -- vintage or UV (or, he said, if you can't find anything on his list, then you can hit mine -- chuckle). Here is what he has available for trade. No reasonable offer (that is to say, no offer) will be refused -- he is happy to help anyone out that needs it, and hopes he can be helped as well. All cards are Topps -- numbers in parentheses represents the number of that star that Jim has. Jim has strict condition requirements -- NONE. His cards range in the beater category to low EX. Most are in the G-VG range, so if you are looking for mint stuff, well sorry about that. If anyone is interested, please let me know. If you ahve a question about a particular card, let me know. FCFS in the trading line. Have fun! 146 -- Indians Rookies (Tommy John/Bob Chance) 125 -- Ernie Banks (someone nibbled the lower left-corner off and there is a crease across his lip -- other than that, LOL, a nice card) 37 -- Billy Williams 361 -- Harmon Killebrew AS 500 -- Frank Robinson 520 -- Lou Brock 1 -- Orioles Team card 64 -- NL RBI Leaders 68 -- NL ERA Leaders 30 – Phil Niekro 45 – Jim Hunter 50 – Willie McCovey (really ragged) 160 – Tom Seaver 51 -- Harmon Killebrew 80 – Tony Perez 130 – Bob Gibson (3) 132 – Joe Morgan 195 – Orlando Cepeda (2) 226 -- World Series Game 4 (Clemente) 241 – Rollie Fingers (2 -- one is really rough) 250 – Boog Powell 280 – Willie McCovey 285 – Gaylord Perry (2) 299 – Hank Aaron 330 – Jim Hunter 350 – Frank Howard 448 – Tom Seaver IA 474 -- Orioles Rookies (Baylor, Harrison, Oates) 500 -- Joe Torre 515 – Bert Blyleven 10 – Don Sutton (3) 63 - RBI Leaders 84 – Rollie Fingers (1) 100 – Hank Aaron (nibbled in that left-hand corner again, and creased) 115 – Ron Santo (1) 130 -- Pete Rose (3) 160 -- Jim Palmer 180 – Fergie Jenkins (2) 199 – Bert Blyleven (2) 213 – Steve Garvey (2) 235 – Jim Hunter (1) 245 -- Carl Yastrzemski 300 -- Steve Carlton 341 -- Young Jim Palmer 50 – Rod Carew Here is what Jim is collecting (vintage)-- this changes daily, so let me know before you send -- or just check his list on my UV page, which I update daily: 1970 Topps - 1, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 20, 23, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36, 37, 39, 43, 45, 48, 52, 55, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 69, 71, 75, 79, 80, 81, 84, 86, 91, 92, 93, 95, 96, 97, 100, 109, 110, 114, 117, 119, 120, 126, 132, 133, 136, 137, 140, 141, 146, 148, 150, 152, 154, 161, 166, 170, 172, 176, 184, 189, 190, 195, 197, 198, 199, 200, 206, 207, 211, 220, 226, 227, 230, 240, 241, 242, 244, 246, 250, 253, 265, 270, 272, 273, 280, 286, 287, 290, 291, 293, 299, 300, 304, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 314, 315, 320, 321, 326, 330, 333, 340, 341, 342, 343, 348, 350, 353, 367, 369, 375, 376, 378, 380, 385, 387, 389, 390, 392, 393, 394, 395, 397, 399, 400, 405, 408, 411, 415, 416, 422, 425, 429, 430, 432, 433, 434, 436, 437, 439, 440, 441, 442, 444, 445, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 461, 462, 463, 464, 466, 470, 471, 472, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 485, 486, 487, 488, 490, 491, 492, 496, 498, 500, 501, 502, 504, 505, 507, 509, 510, 513, 514, 515, 516, 519, 520, 521, 522, 524, 525, 528, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 537, 539, 542, 544, 545, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 576, 577, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624, 625, 626, 627, 628, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643, 644, 645, 646, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659, 660, 661, 662, 663, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 683, 684, 686, 687, 688, 689, 690, 691, 692, 693, 694, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 720 1971 Topps -- 133 140 147 150 183 187 196 197 202 210 216 220 226 229 230 234 235 236 239 241 243 246 248 250 257 262 266 271 272 273 274 277 278 279 281 282 283 285 286 288 291 292 293 295 297 298 299 300 303 305 306 307 308 311 312 315 316 317 319 323 325 326 328 331 332 337 338 343 344 346 347 348 349 351 352 353 355 357 359 361 362 363 367 368 370 371 373 374 375 376 379 380 381 382 384 385 386 387 388 389 392 393 395 396 397 400 406 408 409 410 411 413 414 416 417 421 422 424 428 429 437 438 439 441 448 451 453 458 459 460 461 462 468 470 472 477 479 481 482 483 485 486 488 490 491 492 495 498 500 501 502 505 507 508 510 512 516 519 520 526 527 528 529 531 534 535 537 539 544 547 548 549 550 552 557 559 561 562 563 567 570 571 572 573 577 579 585 590 592 593 594 595 599 601 603 604 607 609 611 613 615 619 624 628 630 635 637 639 641 642 644-666 668-727 729-752 1972 Topps -- 52, 79, 145, 147, 200, 226, 245, 255, 300, 411, 420, 429, 435, 436, 447, 528, 535, 546, 548, 550, 552, 556, 559, 560, 561, 565, 568 570, 573, 574, 576, 579, 584, 587, 588, 590, 592, 594, 595, 596, 600, 604, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 624, 627, 628, 629, 630, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 642, 643, 644, 646, 647, 648 650 651-676 678-729 731 733-746 749-754 760 761 764 768 771 776 777 778 785 786 787 1973 Topps -- 155, 183, 252, 257, 265, 266, 273, 278, 281, 284, 291, 292, 298, 311, 316, 320, 326, 327, 334, 338, 341, 343, 344, 350, 361, 369, 380, 383, 386, 389, 391, 396, 398, 399, 401, 403, 404, 410, 413, 416, 418, 421, 428, 430, 432, 433, 434, 437, 442, 443, 444, 446, 447, 448, 449, 450 451 457 463 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 481 482 483 485 486 488 489 490 492 495 497 498 500 502 503 504 506 507 511 512 515 520 521 529 532-535 537 539 540 542 544 546 547 548 551-563 565 569 571-574 576-580 582 583 585-589 591-601 604-610 612-627 630 632 633 634 636 639 641 642 643 646-654 656 657 659 1974 Topps -- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 27, 28, 29, 32, 33, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 45, 46, 47, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 58, 59, 60, 62, 63, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 74, 75, 77, 80, 81, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 94, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 101, 102, 103, 105, 106, 107, 108, 109, 110, 111, 112, 113, 115, 116, 118, 119, 120, 121, 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 132, 135, 136, 138, 141, 142, 144, 145, 147, 148, 149, 151, 152, 153, 154, 156, 157, 159, 161, 162, 163, 165, 166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174, 175, 177, 178, 179, 180, 182, 183, 184, 186, 187, 190, 191, 192, 194, 195, 196, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 209, 211, 212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 224, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 236, 237, 238, 240, 242, 244, 245, 248, 249, 250, 252, 253, 254, 255, 257, 258, 259, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 270, 271, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 281, 283, 285, 286, 287, 289, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 297, 299, 300, 301, 303, 304, 306, 308, 311, 312, 314, 315, 318, 319, 321, 322, 323, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 335, 336, 337, 339, 340, 341, 343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 349, 350, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 361, 363, 365, 369, 370, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 391, 392, 393, 395, 397, 398, 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 407, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 426, 428, 433, 434, 435, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442, 443, 444, 446, 447, 448, 449, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 468, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 482, 483, 484, 485, 487, 489, 490, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 503, 505, 506, 507, 508, 510, 511, 512, 514, 515, 517, 519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 528, 531, 533, 536, 538, 539, 540, 541, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 573, 574, 578, 580, 581, 582, 584, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 607, 608, 609, 611, 613, 615, 616, 618, 619, 621, 622, 623, 628, 629, 631, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643, 645, 648, 650, 651, 654, 655, 657, 660 1974 Topps Traded -- 63T 73T 313T 681T checklist If you want to see his entire wantlist (he does need some unmentionables, too), just go to my UV page at http://hometown.aol.com/bdangelo/myhomepage/baseball.html to see what he needs. Then, message me back and let me know what card(s) you want. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: More from the message board Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 02:21:19 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Help for a former OBCer Posted ByJoe Cerullo on April 05, 2002 at 10:15:13: Long time no type. I hope everybody is doing great in OBC land. Sorry for the intrusion, but I need some help. If you don't have time to fill out a short survey, please don't read any further and pardon the email. (remainder is at the message board) http://www.oldbaseball.com/wwwboard/messages/2196.html ================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:55:41 EDT Subject: Will trade vintage star or Hi # Bowman for modern reprint junk To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i will trade either a 52 topps star - # 59 Robin Roberts or a 49 Bowman hi # 201- Sibby Sisti for ANY single card in the 25 card set- Davco Publishers Hall Of Fame Baseball Stars-- i have looked for this set a LOOOOONG Time)- see ebay # 1821423136--(like my husband says- "Do you have to collect every wierdo oddball set with old timers put out in the last 25 years? -- YES!!!) -- sure i get cards from traders of Conlons and Greats of the Game-but that stuff is common- i am after real impossible to find oddball cards of old timers-magazine issues,convention issues, small sets put out 20 years ago and almost non- existant on ebay or anywhere else--When have you ever seen any cards from this Davco Publishers set- i haven't-- Linda ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: nifty $5 lot, now available to you! :) Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 16:41:51 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" I was in N.Conway NH, and stopped into this little shop over a garage and told the nice lady the sort of cards I look for. She handed me a pile of about 20 cards and I asked what she wanted for the whole pile. $5. Worked for me. In the pile was a '61 high number I needed, and a '53 Sain that was a major upgrade for me! Less a couple Orioles for my O's book, here is what is left. Not bad for $5 (and no shipping) 1950 Bowman #87 (back damage) the rest are topps 1953 Sain #119 (multiple creases) 1957 #148 1962 #201 1963 #154 (rough) 1963 #230 1963 #332 1967 #31 #115 #410 1968 #51,160,190,199,256,275,277,518,533 1969 #222,#306 1970 #354 have at 'em (the only one!) ================= Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 21:17:01 EDT Subject: How I solved the "UV Problem" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com Hey gang- With the recent spat of emails regarding the excesses and problems with the hobby's current card sets, I thought I would share what I have been doing as an alternative to collecting UV sets. I have three boys, and they tend to be much more interesting in today's players than they are in the cards their dad collects. At the same time we found it virtually impossible to try to put sets together by buying a couple packs every so often at the local WalMart. Therefore, we quit pursuing the regular collector sets and each year we pick one or two of the food sets to try to put together. Post has a 30 card set this year (and a ten piece "bobblehead" set in some varieties) that we are working on. We have collected the Twizzler's sets the last couple of years as well. The boys enjoy it more than spending a couple bucks on a pack only to get some spare parts they have never heard of from a set they could never complete. The small set size make them doable, and the cost is really not much of an issue if the product is something you will use. The boys are also becoming "true collectors" interested in getting a favorite player or completing a set, versus worry about the "book price" of some insert they Anyway, it works for us! Thanks for listening....Doug ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: rediculous Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 22:35:21 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1821314060 This is what I was talking about the other day. It will be interesting to see what this card is worth in 10 years. John C. Collins ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 00:10:26 EDT Subject: Stick to selling Picture frames and crystal To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i think this guy should stick to selling Picture Frames and crystal in his gift shop and non -sports-it sure doesn't look like he knows how to grade cards- ebay # 1821526933-EX!!!!?????- Rounded corners????? ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: outbound Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 06:01:45 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Packages outbound today for: Thanks for the good response to my '65 dupes. I still have about 15 or so (mostly low numbers) if anybody needs them. My hope is that before too long, 65 will be the first vintage set I am actually able to complete - 290 some cards (mostly commons) to go ! Have a good weekend everybody, ================= To: "'jazzgirl1920s@aol.com'" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Will trade vintage star or Hi # Bowman for mo Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 10:04:26 -0400 From: Mark Talbot Hello Linda, I love the "oddball cards" as well Linda. I thought that I had a pretty good selection of "off the wall" items in my collection. But I must admit hat you Linda are the queen of "oddball stuff". Tim must have great patience with you as you seek yet another obsure set that can only be found in the back room of a pool hall in Salina, Kansas. Alas i have not a single offering of this set but I have been to Salina (I had a T-Shirt that said "Where the h-ll is Salina, Kansas - Who the h-ll cares"). Good luck Linda in the quest, it makes the hobby so much more interesting to have "oddball items" which you collect. As well as areas in which to become an "expert". BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * * talbotm@huronacademy.org * -----Original Message----- From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com [mailto:jazzgirl1920s@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:56 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Will trade vintage star or Hi # Bowman for modern reprint junk hi- this is Linda- i will trade either a 52 topps star - # 59 Robin Roberts or a 49 Bowman hi # 201- Sibby Sisti for ANY single card in the 25 card Davco Publishers Hall Of Fame Baseball Stars-- i have looked for this set a LOOOOONG Time)- see ebay # 1821423136--(like my husband says- "Do you have collect every wierdo oddball set with old timers put out in the last 25 years? -- YES!!!) -- sure i get cards from traders of Conlons and Greats of the Game-but that stuff is common- i am after real impossible to find cards of old timers-magazine issues,convention issues, small sets put out 20 years ago and almost non- existant on ebay or anywhere else--When have you ever seen any cards from this Davco Publishers set- i haven't-- Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 07:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Science Fair Project To: chcaco@egroups.com, bcd@ncentral.com, immaculate_reception@msn.com, From: Terry Dietrick > Subject: Science Fair Project > Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 21:44:06 -0400 > Hi: > I am a science teacher at an elementary school > in Los Angeles, California. A few of my sixth > grade students are working on a project for our 2002 > Science Fair to be held May 8-9, 2002. We are trying > to see where, and how fast e-mail can travel in a > period of six weeks. We are keeping track of how > many e-mails we get > back, and what cities, states, and countries they > are coming from. We are hoping that you will be > willing to help us with our project! There are only > 2 simple steps that will help us to track this > email: > 1. Please send an e-mail to the following address: > science2002fair@yahoo.com In the subject of the > e-mail please include your city, state, and country. > You do not need to include your name. Please respond > only one time. > 2. Please forward this e-mail to everyone on your > mailing list. We will be keeping track of the > number of responses, as well as the locations. > Therefore, send them even to people in the same > town. In our science project, we are trying to > demonstrate how fast and how far information can > travel on the Internet in a six week period. > If you receive this e-mail after May 1, 2002, > please disregard it, since the project will be over. > Thank you VERY much for your help! Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:11:30 EDT Subject: AVailables- 33 Goudey,40 Play Ball, 50's Bowmans, 52 Topps,71 topps football HI To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- time for some availables-you have all weekend to claim- 33 Goudey # 4- Heine Schuble 40 Play Ball # 39- Tom Carey 1950 Bowman Football #105- Eddie Price 1950 Bowman # 232- Al Rosen 1952 Bowman # 126- Phil Cavarretta 1952 topps # 27 -Black Back- Sam Jethroe-Trimmed 1952 topps # 230- Matt Bates ( another kids BB gun target practice card-kid had bad aim on this one- not one puncture through the player) 1955 Bowman tv # 220- Jim Hearn 1960 topps hi # 535- Whitey Lockman 1961 Golden Press- # 19- Frankie Frisch 1962 Post # 14- Norm Cash 1956 topps # 28- Bobby Hofman 1970 La Pizza Royale Expos Adolfo Phillips-for those who like those very obscure oddballs like i do-- 1971 Topps Football hi # 266- All Pro- Rayfield Wright-(as long as we are on the subject of hard to find cards) 1965 Topps # 400 - Harmon Killebrew-(anyone who claims this one gets an Oddball sonic Killebrew too!) ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 20:55:48 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1971-72 Topps Basketball Trio Inserts - NEED HELP From: Dan Austin I'm without a basketball price guide and I'm looking for both a checklist and a price guide for the 1971-72 Topps Basketball Trio Inserts. They are black-bordered cards with 3 player stickers. See the example here: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/wantlist/bb71ttrio.jpg If you can help with either or both, please LMK! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 18:21:24 EDT Subject: Fwd: M116 Sporting Life baseball cards To: prewartraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com If anyone can help, please make contact directly. ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:13:07 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg , Subject: OBC Hat From: Lynn Miller Attached are the pics of the finished product (almost). Hope they come out on the Yahoo groups for everyone. The color is a brighter white than your present one. It's a cotton denim (thick) material. The button at the top of the hat is the same blue. John made it exacly like the one you have but I just noticed that we need to move the lettering on the "it" just a little to be a little more clear of the homeplate outline. He can do this easily. Let me know what you think. Lynn P.S. Maribel is the cashier at our Veterans of Foreign Wars Post Home here, she makes a much better model than I am :>) ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:21:07 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg , Subject: [Fwd: Fw:] From: Lynn Miller From: "Rooster" To: "Lynn Miller" Subject: Fw: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:41:42 +0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rooster To: Lynn Miller Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:50 AM ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:21:58 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg , Subject: [Fwd: Fw:] From: Lynn Miller From: "Rooster" To: "Lynn Miller" Subject: Fw: Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:41:58 +0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rooster To: Lynn Miller Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:49 AM ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:22:58 +0800 To: Steve Rittenberg , Subject: [Fwd: Fw: Hats R Us] From: Lynn Miller From: "Rooster" To: "Lynn Miller" Subject: Fw: Hats R Us Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:42:12 +0800 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rooster To: Lynn Miller Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 9:48 AM Subject: Hats R Us ================= Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 23:10:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] [Fwd: Fw: Hats R Us] To: lynnm@piol.net, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 4/19/02 10:25:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: "Rooster" To: "Lynn Miller" Subject: Fw: Hats R Us Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 08:42:12 +0800 To: Lynn Miller Subject: Hats R Us To: Steve Rittenberg , From: Lynn Miller Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:22:58 +0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] [Fwd: Fw: Hats R Us] ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 13:08:33 EDT Subject: Correction on an available To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Al Crotte pointed out the Rayfield Wright Football card i posted on my availables list is from the 1972 topps Hi # series NOT the 1971 topps - anyway the number is # 266-and i am NOT going to say 71 topps hi, 72 topps hi- what's the difference?- i guess 72 topps hi's aren;t that easy to find- Linda ================= Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 22:17:15 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 348 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com In a message dated 4/20/2002 6:20:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > I'm without a basketball price guide and I'm looking for both a checklist > and a price guide for the 1971-72 Topps Basketball Trio Inserts. They are > black-bordered cards with 3 player stickers. ye gods! the only set of inserts i ever completed as a kid was of these stickers. today, they are fantastically difficult to obtain, especially the ABA players. mine are long gone--:-( an unhappy dave ================= Subject: 33 Goudey Gehrig on eBay Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:57:22 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1823079131 Wrinkled, but not bad. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1821614099: RARE 1954 Topps Baseball Printing Plate Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:33:43 PDT From: tknowles@mocc.com A little pricey, but a very cool item..... Title of item: RARE 1954 Topps Baseball Printing Plate Starts: Apr-14-02 18:42:44 PDT Ends: Apr-24-02 18:42:44 PDT Price: Currently $142.50 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1821614099 Item Description: You are bidding on an original 1954 Topps Baseball Card glass printing plate from Lord Baltimore Prinintg Co in Baltimore Maryland. This plate was used in the production of the 1954 Topps card set. Plate includes images of 50 cards including Hank Aaron, Tommy Lasorda, Ed and Johnny O'Brien and Ted Williams along with many others. The glas plate measures 30"L x 18"W x 1/8"D. The plate is framed for protection. The winning bid will receive a set of reproduction cards which are identical to those on the plate (see photo). Please E-Mail me with any questions. I am currently selling off my personnel collection in order to buy a home. Please see my other items for sale. Thanks for bidding. This item is heavy and will be insured when shipped. 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Here's a card that may fill a space (or two) in the binder... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1822434894 I bid on it earlier as a novelty. Someone who is actually working on the set might make better use of it than me. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 16:47:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Toronto card show From: "mikesportsfan" While many OBCers will be on the East coast at Ft. Washington, I will be at the Toronto show May 3-5. If any other OBCer is planning on attending or would like info, please LMK so we can hook-up. It is a great show, especially considering the exchange rate those of us from the US get. Of couorse there is a top of Hockey but almost everything is available. If anyone has some Canadian issued material they are looking for (Post Canadian, Candian Goudeys, OPC, Parkhurst etc.) LMK and I will try and look for it. Please send me your lists by April 29 so I can ready for the show. I also hope to go to the Blue Jays game Saturday nite. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:03:52 EDT Subject: Wedding plans and more To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, RKA1080@aol.com, BURUCA@msn.com, From: tply@aol.com All - Margaret and I are getting pretty excited about our wedding in Vegas Sunday, May 19th and we hope to send invitations to all of you that will be attending from the list of people that has confirmed attendance. The point of the invitation is to insure you know when and where to be, not to send gifts. In the event we miss someone the following is the information you will need, all are welcome invitation or not! On our special day we would be honored by your presence Flamingo Wedding Chapel 3555 Las Vegas Blvd. South At 12:15 PM (please allow time to walk through the gardens approx. 15 minutes the service will not wait for later arrivals) Followed by cocktail reception at the New Frontier Hotel 3120 Las Vegas Blvd. South In the Penthouse at 2:30 PM We still have rooms available at the New Frontier under the Kramer/Ellison Wedding at the following rates: $59.00 Friday and Saturday $49.00 Sunday to Thursday You can call the hotel directly at 1-800-634-6966 and mention the Kramer/Ellison Wedding to get these rates. The above rates are good if you book before April 24th, so hurry! Please call if you have any question (510) 797-9220 Rick and Margaret ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 15:38:18 EDT Subject: the advantage of having some uv tables at card shows To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Yesterday I had only a couple of hours to go through the Chantilly Show which had probably 70 tables. Time was limited and I knew there are only maybe 20 tables that I wanted to go to and it sped up the search process if to scan the show cases from the middle of the aisle, if the cases reflect back at me I don't even have to break stride to keep moving towards the vintage beaters that seek a home in my binders. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 17:17:45 EDT Subject: Available 61s To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I haven't been able to get off the bubble on getting stuff out lately, so maybe this available list will get me going. Please feel free to place a claim on anything that strikes your fancy.....condition typical OBC. 15 31 56 61 74 96 148 202 271 272 459 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC bios reminder Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:21:35 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" In case you haven't visited the updated OBC Member Bios Page. you can get to it from the main OBC page, by clicking on "OBC Specials" and then "OBC Member Bios". The userid is: obc The password is: obcbio This info is password protected for your protection since it contains potentially sensitive material. I'd like to ask members to review their current bios and submit updated version to me for inclusion on the page. Also, if you have not yet written a bio - this is your chance! This is a great way to get to know the other OBC members, and for them to get to know you. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:59:23 EDT Subject: Trips Travels To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com OBC - This is late notice I know (I am sorry) I will be traveling to Los Angeles for training tomorrow Monday, April 22nd and return home Friday, April 26th. I probably have very little free time as the training starts tomorrow at 1 PM and goes until Friday at noon both are travel days. I would love to see any of you in Southern California if at all possible perhaps one evening. Josh, Peter etc. I haven't checked the schedule for Dodgers or Angels. I will be staying at the following hotel: Hyatt Regency 200 South Pine Ave. Long Beach, Ca. I assume the Dodgers would be the closest and I will not have transportation however, I am not opposed to catching a taxi to meet any of you. My cell phone number is 510-378-4666, please call me and perhaps we can get Another Baseball Quote: "The beauty and joy of baseball is not having to explain it." -------Chuck Shriver Cubs public relations man Tripleplay (Rick) ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 22:31:49 EDT Subject: 71-72 Topps Basketball Stickers To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Who was asking about the topps basketball stickers? I have 3 cards (9 stickers) that were donated for the Kevin Lhose auction but never actioned off because no one could identify them (that was pre-scanner for me). I'd be happy to sell them with the proceeds to the OBC treasury or the Lhose family. Does someone want them and know what they're worth. These are stickers 1a Jones, 2a Wise, 3a Issel; 10 DeBusschere, 11 Lanier, 12 Van Arsdale; and 13a Barry, 14a L. Jones, and 15a Keye. - Doug ================= Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 23:35:40 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC bios reminder To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com The bios page really is impressive, nice work! In a message dated 4/21/2002 6:23:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, srittenberg66@earthlink.net writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] OBC bios reminder > Date:4/21/2002 6:23:27 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:srittenberg66@earthlink.net > To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > In case you haven't visited the updated OBC Member Bios Page. you can get > to it from the main OBC page, by clicking on "OBC Specials" and then "OBC > Member Bios". > The userid is: obc > The password is: obcbio > This info is password protected for your protection since it contains > potentially sensitive material. > I'd like to ask members to review their current bios and submit updated > version to me for inclusion on the page. Also, if you have not yet written > a bio - this is your chance! This is a great way to get to know the other > OBC members, and for them to get to know you. > Thanks! > Steve > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: 22 Apr 2002 07:20:54 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed. Here are the final results: POLL QUESTION: I'd most likely attend the National Convention if it were held CHOICES AND RESULTS - Anywhere - I wouldn't want to miss it no matter where it was., 2 votes, 15.38% - Nowhere - I wouldn't go if it was next door., 0 votes, 0.00% - in Seattle, 2 votes, 15.38% - in Los Angeles, 2 votes, 15.38% - in Las Vegas, 1 votes, 7.69% - in Chicago, 1 votes, 7.69% - in St. Louis, 1 votes, 7.69% - in New Orleans, 0 votes, 0.00% - in Dallas, 0 votes, 0.00% - in Atlanta, 1 votes, 7.69% - in Washington DC, 2 votes, 15.38% - in New York City, 1 votes, 7.69% For more information about this group, please visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/ ================= Date: 22 Apr 2002 12:36:51 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: What is your opinion of the DH rule? o I want it in both AL & NL. o Keep it like it is, AL only. o Drop it entirely. To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 13:11:26 EDT Subject: unable to vote in polls To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i would like to vote in the OBC polls but i am unable to because when i sign on at Yahoo i get this message- "if you want to acess all of the web features for OBC-Ramblings you need to select a yahoo profile for jazzgrl20s-then it says- select a profile below- and then i am susposed to click on continue and nothing happens- this same problem occured with OCT- i need somebody in OBC to delete me from obc then re enter me again - thanks ================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:46:16 EDT Subject: Outgoings To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- today i am sending out the availables to requestors- the most requested card (3) was of a 1952 Bowman of Phil Cavarretta- a player i am familiar with because i remember seeing him on one of my 52 topps cards- some of these availables come from a local seller of UV stuff with a dime box with old cards in it sometimes- as long as there are 33 Goudeys, 50's Bowmans in there i am buying them-also a seller at the local monthly hotel show has had beater 33 goudeys for $3 each-i bought every one he had for that price- cards out today to Mandell ================= Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 16:18:39 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com like Linda, I am also restricted from Yahoo by p-rocess or my stupidy, or both ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Hat project update Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 22:39:40 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" 1. Lynn Miller has sent us photos of the prototype, which look great! Thanks 2. I wrote Lynn earlier tonight and asked that he place an order for 150 hats. 3. Ken Morganti has stepped up to the plate and belted one out of the park.Ken has agreed to front the money for the hats and will receive them from 4. Contributions to the hat fund can be made in two ways: a. send a check to Ken Morganti, 41 Fuller Street, Everett, MA 02149-4233 b. send money via your paypal balance (or a bank account) to me at srittenberg@broderick.org I cannot accept credit card funded payments. Everything I collect will be turned over to Ken, who doesn't have a Paypal account. 5. This takes the AC (and the OBC treasurer) out of the hat project. We can thank Ken for this simplification. I didn't have enough $$ to finance the hat project and wait for reimbursements. 6. I expect to hear back from Lynn this week with an ETA for hats. I've also asked him to contact the local FedEx office to estimate shipping costs from there to here. 7. The pledge campaign brought in about $400 from about 40 members. I know others had interest but hadn't pledged any $$. Finally costs are trickyto calculate because we don't know about shipping from Lynn to Ken and from Ken to each of you. However, I'd like to raise about $600 for the hat fund. 8. Despite rumors floating around, Ken is NOT going to be driving back and forth across the US to deliver hats to you. It will only seem that way. I'll talk to him more about hat distribution this week and let you know what is decided. Thanks for all the support I've received -- especially from Ken. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:23:00 EDT Subject: I'm Back To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I had one of those great opportunities that a father doesn't get very often. I spent almost 3 weeks touring Australia with my oldest son. He just finished a 27 month assignment with PricewaterhouseCoopers in Indonesia, auditing oil companies. On the way home he wanted to tour Australia and New Zealand. I was able to join him for the Australia part. We both flew to Sydney, which is a beautiful city ..reminded me of Seattle, but a warmer climate. We then went to Cairnes, in the northeast, where we spent 3 days on a boat on the Great Barrier Reef SCUBA diving. There were 40 of us on the boat, mostly college age. I'm not sure I kept up, but I had a great time. $234 for 3 days, 2 nights on the boat including meals, equipment, and all the dives was a very good deal. Went spent a couple days touring the rain forest and decompressing before we headed to Darwin in far northern Australia. Kakadu, where Crockodile Dundee was filmed is about 3 hours south of Darwin. the weather was hot and muggy, but the wildlife was incredible. We saw 4 ft. long lizzards, crocks, kangaroos, and a large wild boar in addition to thousands of beautiful birds. From there we flew to Adelaide in southern Australia. Kangaroo Island had magnificat cliffs and scenery, wild kangaroos you could pet, and Koala bears. We drove to Melbourne ...2 days driving along beautiful coastline. At Melbourne we took in an Aussie football game. A combination of rugby, soccer, and american football with a very English flavor to it. 63,000 were at the game, which is very fast paced and played without pads. These guys were tough. Another two days driving mostly in the rain got us back to Sydney. We spent out last day in the Blue Mountains, which reminded me of the Smokies. Along the way we fit in three games of golf. My son was able to go on to New Zealand. I had to go back to work. I was able to keep up with some of the email as there are internet cafes in most of the population centers. I'd never been to Australia before. I hope to go back. I hope those who read this far aren't too bored. It is nice to be back home. - Doug ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Sad news from Grant Rainsley Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:40:23 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Grant Rainsley's mother-in-law, Marjorie Campbell, passed away last week. Any thoughts and prayers for the Campbell and Rainsley families are appreciated. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC - type '56 Mantle on ebay Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:52:55 -0400 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1823542508 May be a good pickup for one of you "non-border concious" collectors out there. John C. Collins ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - type '56 Mantle on ebay Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:54:50 -0400 From: "John Collins" Didn't notice at first that the card has also been cut in half and glued back together, with some of the part in the middle that was cut out removed, obviously. Still the bid on it is $1.99 at the moment... John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2002 12:52 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC - type '56 Mantle on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1823542508 May be a good pickup for one of you "non-border concious" collectors out there. John C. Collins To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: New address, Catching up Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 23:12:41 -0700 From: "Mike Kinney" New address: Mike Kinney 165 Park Ave Cayucos, CA 93430 It's been a while since my last contact. Just finished moving in to our new house! It was fun getting to watch it being built and all that, but time consuming! I updated my wantlist on the server a couple days ago- first time in a year! Finally found the box with my dupes, so I can start getting back into the swing of things. Also, my prayers join yours for Grant and family. We're with ya, buddy! God bless! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:36:34 -0700 Subject: Peter's new set.... From: Peter Iversen Grant has blown my cover... I have to come before you as an admitted obsessed 1962 woodie addict and tell you freely that I am starting (actually have started) the 1962 Topps Venezuelan set... 200 cards that will being me at least 200 years of collecting pleasure... A brief Steve Rittenberg - started me off with a Dodger Team Card - probably with the idea in mind that it would be a good item for my Dodger collection - I had the same idea... Grant Rainsley - who was being perverse when I said after I finished the '62's I was having withdrawal - and that I should start an all Tipton set - or maybe the Venezuelan set - send me a Lee Walls (another Dodger) card. So I could still put these cards down as additions to my Dodger collection. Perhaps if I was sane I would have done just that. Notice that so far these cards have come from Maryland and Canada - I thought that California was closer to Venezuela... At least we speak more Spanish here. I asked for advise from the group and the overwhelming response (I think I got 3 e-mails) was that if I had 2 cards - I had already started the I have been pondering over it and checking out cards on ebay - a couple of weeks ago I bid on a card - the minimum bid - I didn't think I would get it... but I did - and so card # 3 appeared - last week I did the same thing with two more cards - and I won those too... So here I am 2.5% done with the 1962 Topps Venezuelan set before I even knew for sure myself that I was collecting it... But I am - and now it is official. 1962 Topps Venezuelan **I HAVE* List 43 75 129 162 187 Thank the Lord that there are no Green Tint variations in this set... Or perhaps I shouldn't have said that. I think a prayer to St. Rita might be in order... PS - Perhaps this set will help me with my Spanish... GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 07:25:04 EDT Subject: woodie thanks To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Thanks to PETER IVERSEN for three hits to my woodie set! Thanks to ERIK GREENWOOD for two more 1962 hits! ================= Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 21:02:40 EDT Subject: Baseball as America traveling exhibit To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I just read about this in my Sunday paper: an exhibit by the Hall of Fame that is on a ten city tour for the next three years... http://www.baseballasamerica.org/ Looks like if I want to see it, I'll have to go to New York this summer, as it's not coming to New England. Happy Collecting! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: best card back ? Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:42:53 -0400 From: "Sean McGowan" Bob read pointed this one out to me. If you have a '64 #561 Rick Wise (Dave Bennett) rookie... check out the amazing fact about Dave Bennett on the back :) ================= To: Subject: Goudey Ruth-- OBC Beauty! Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:06:23 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" 2 for the price of 1! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1822434894 ================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:26:36 EDT Subject: This and Hats To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hey gang, I've just sent off the money to Lynn for production of our official OBC hats. These super cool items will hopefully be available soon at a mailbox (or local OBC gathering) near you. As coordinator of this historic distribution, I'm going to need the following information/help.... Article 1) Any info regarding a near future OBC gathering that you could use to pass out a few hats along with any cards you're swapping. I've got V02, the Sept. FW show and The National covered, since I intend to be present at those events. I may also try to attend a Patriots road game in Miami near the end of the year (Oct.?), but that's still in the planning to be planned stages at this point. However, my car/vacation plans don't currently allow me to make it to the Tacoma Dome show or a Tigers home game for example. Other interested parties may also wish to pass out some hats to nearby OBC'ers without any formal/planned gathering. (ie. I'll probably run into Spike, Sean, Jim Hatch, etc. here during the course of the next few months at shows or something.) I'll need the names of those people to which you intend to bestow a hat, so I can cross them off the master list. Yes, I've taken a copy of the latest directory to use as a master list - please note the incredible amount of organization this represents for someone like me. This could also help me out if you can't afford to send a donation as explained in part Part #2) Money. I will accept checks or money orders from anyone willing to help me reduce the cost of my purchase (address below). Please keep in mind that the total cost is only expected to be about $6 PER HAT (including delivery). This means large donations of more than $10-$15 are pretty silly considering you're only getting ONE (1) hat. Really large donations will be made public knowledge (with exact amount), so don't try anything funny or everyone will know about it. (Hopefully that'll discourage anyone wishing to send $25 for a $6 hat). Paypal funds may be sent to Steve Rittenberg, who was graciously volunteered by me to act as my transfer agent. I will not accept any funds once my expenses have been met. Excess funds (if any) will be diverted to the OBC treasury and the AC can decide to use them later at their discretion. Cards on my wantlist may also be sent in lieu of (or in addition to) cash... but with my list, I'd stick with the $5 instead of trying to locate a T205 HOF'er :-) Item three) For your participation (or non-participation) in this soon to be legendary distribution, you will receive the ultimate OBC accesory. Proudly wear it to shows and get the recognition you deserve fropm our favorite dealers (and make the rest wonder what's going on). Eligibility is limited to current active and non-active OBC members in good standing only. Spouses, friends, dealers, pets and the like are sadly unable to take advantage of this exclusive offer. Once I get some info and develop my game plan, I'll try to e-mail all of you individually (or in groups) and let you know how/where/when you can pick up your hat. Some of you may have this figured out already (for instance, you're going to see me at The Nats) and others will have no choice but to wait patiently at the mailbox (sorry Glenn), but I'll also try to include some cardboard with your stylish sportswear if I'm forced to snail mail it your way individually. Section IV) If for some reason you DON'T want a hat... well, you're getting one anyway. You may choose to keep your hat in pristine condition and trade it at a later date to a new member in exchange for cards on your wantlist. We do have a few extra hats ordered, so even the next dozen or so new OBC'ers will still get a hat. That's really all I have to say for now. I'll keep everyone updated on the progress of this project as I get new information. Thanks for reading and for your support. TAYL, Ken Morganti 41 Fuller St. Everett, MA 02149-4233 ================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:58:42 EDT Subject: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Hi gang! Here's a post that might get some interesting responses... I'm just curious if there are dealers that you will not buy from, whether by mail, auction, show or other means. I don't necessarily want to know WHO they are, just if they exist. I certainly can't be the only one with a blacklist (even though my list consists of only one so far). I went to a show recently and there's one guy (we'll call him "the plague") who sets up at shows in New England and who I will not buy from any more. Seeing him recently reminded me of my horror story. He usually has some decent older material, but I just walk right by. Why, you ask? About a year ago, I pulled some pre-war caramel cards out of his vintage box. I think they totaled around $42 in "sticker" prices. I always ask if the dealer will accept a lower price - I think I offered $35. He said no. Fine...will you accept $40? NO..$42. There aren't too many folks who won't cut me a $2 break, but it was an OK price (not great, but not awful either) so I paid it. I could have lived with that. After I made the purchase, I noticed he had a .25 box, so I started searching and pulled a few cards. They came to something like $6.25. Will you accept $5 for these? No. How about $6? NO! He wanted the stinking quarter!! It wasn't just the extra money, but it was his attitude that really ticked me off. He made it sound like I was bothering him and that I should never ask his highness for a discount. After I just about paid for his table with the caramels, he wanted to squeeze an extra 25 cents from me!?! I looked at him in disbelief, dropped most of the cards and threw the money at him (if I had any sense, I would have just thrown the cards at him). I know dealers have to make a living, but that's pathetic. He'd rather have an extra quarter now than to have me spend some money every time I see him? Interesting business philosophy, eh? My money spends very nicely elsewhere, thank you. This wasn't the first time I encountered some bad kharma with this guy, but it was the one that put me over the edge. So, every time I see him at a show I avoid "the plague" so to See...I told you I was going to start rambling again! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 19:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] best card back ? To: ramblings From: Jim Beauchemin Excellent! Reminds me of my favorite, good 'ol '63 Tex Clevenger. (Has there EVER been a better baseball name?) "Tex had the lowest ERA on the Yanks in '62. He was optioned to Richmond in April 1963". OK, I was only 8, and didn't really understand baseball yet, but....gee Dad, why would they send Tex to the minors if he had the best ERA on the team? Sean McGowan wrote: Kids, Bob read pointed this one out to me. If you have a '64 #561 Rick Wise (Dave Bennett) rookie... check out the amazing fact about Dave Bennett on the back :) Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:46:09 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- there is one ebay seller i won't buy from because when ever i win a good card cheap he never sends it to me- i only get a letter with a refund and note that he couldn't find the card- once i won a bunch of 55 topps from him- not in a lot but all up singlely-one of the cards booked about 5X the others and i won them all for about the same price each- when i got the cards i got all of them but one and a refund for the best card and a note- "he couldn't find the card'-when it happened a 2nd time and i got a refund and the same excuse- that was enough- there is also 1 dealer i won't buy from at a local show- because he is always aggressively hawking some UV junk to people who buy older cards from him- and he is really obnoxious and insulting about it- if you buy an older card from him he sticks some UV Bat card or jersey card in your face and says something like " why don't you grow a brain and buy cards with real value of players today who are swinging bats instead of dead dudes who have a forwarding address of the Veterans Cemetery-?" why does he sell old cards?His explanation is they are on consignment for some loser friend of his needing a few bucks for his next fix- that is a happy thought isn't it- ? welcome to the rough world or card collectors and dealers- Linda ================= Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:54:20 EDT Subject: an overpriced or overvalued card- To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- My husband won a card on last weeks local card shop bid board that got me thinking about the value of the card in Beckett- He won a 1960 topps # 18 --Dodgers Team card for 25 cents-The thing that alerted to me to check the value was the card was in a screw down holder and not a plastic card saver- i was shocked to find a value in Beckett listed as $25 to $50 for mint- reason i was shocked is that it is a low number team card and it has the same value as low # star cards of - # 10 Ernie Banks, # 28 Brooks Robinson , # 35 Whitey Ford and # 50 Al Kaline- i could understand the team card's value if the number of the card was like 507 or above- but why should a low number team card have the same value as a star card around the same number?? and a low # at that- linda ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 00:30:49 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Wow! I must have a mean streak -- I can think of a hundred I won't buy from in person. I've just about stopped even looking at unpriced cards from binders. I have to pull the card out, get the dealers attention and then put it back when he gives me his ridiculous price (like 1/2 book for a vgcard). Also, the nicer the display, the less like I'm going to stop and even look. I don't need anything slabbed or graded. There are plentyof dealers that I'll buy from once but never go back to. The last time was a guy at Fort Washington who sets up next to Ron Barrett. His name is John Rumierz. Some people might be familar with his "fake 52s" -- he's somehow made up cards for players that didn't appear in the 1952 Topps set. Anyway, while getting my bag from behind Ron's table in March, I saw some binders with non-sport in them. None of the cards were priced. I took out a few. I think he said something like $52. I asked if he could do better and he cut it all the way down to $50. Woohoo!! I took everyone out to dinner (ketchup and salt on a napkin) with the savings. So I won't be going back to him. Though I might tell him off if I'm in a mean moodnext time. I see the same dealers often enough that I usually know after one or two attempts if its going to be worth my while. I like Levi Bleam even though he's a monopolist. I don't think I've bought anything fromhim in a couple of years. I bought a really lousy blue back '51 Bobby Doerr from his wife at the Anaheim National. And I actually saw the card in better shape for less money FIVE MINUTES LATER. Being the sneaky sob I am, I returned the card and got my money back. And there are hundreds of dealers that I stay away from on ebay. I'm sureeveryone knows hundreds. Luckily, I'm not doing much with Topps baseball, especially '52 high numbers anymore. So I don't have to deal with Broadway Rick's Strike Zone. How that guy ever got 1 positive feedback, I haveno idea. He includes a description which is nothing like the card pictured. Well, maybe I'm exaggerating. If the card has been scribbled on the front, he'll write "clean back". And still call it VG. Wow! This is therapeutic. Andy Cook and I tried out another "big time dealer" at last week's Chantilly show. Dave Festberg (infest-berg?) was hisname. He puts out color glossy ads with his overpriced cards. He had some GVG Red Menace cards. The price guide I have says they go for $12 in EX. He claimed they were VG-EX, booked $25 each and was going to let me have them for just $12 each. No thanks! I had hoped to pay about $2 - $3 for them. I know I can be cheap but its rare that someone wants FOUR TIMES what I think is a reasonable price. My bottom line -- I never expect anything when the cards are unpriced. Inever expect anything when there's a bargain bin and it says "25 - 70% off". You just know the cards YOU pick are going to be only 25% off. I love going to shows. Probably too much -- its becoming an addiction forme but that's another story. I'd be happy (and honored) to go to any show with anyone and point out who I think are the GOOD dealers. I think that everyone that I know buys from the same dealers each time at Fort Washington. I might buy non-sports or hockey and you might buy pre-war, but we keep going back to people who've been fair to us in the past. I suppose that's no different than in any other setting, is it? On a somewhat related subject, is anyone interested in compliling a list ofGOOD ebay sellers? I have my own list which I'm happy to share. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: back from North Carolina Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 22:59:44 -0700 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - got back late last night from my first trip to the gigantic furniture market in High Point, NC. Every year in April and October, everybody who is anybody in furniture and furniture accessory (lamps, pictures, etc.) manufacturing holds a huge "look what's new" show. I was warned, but not quite prepared for the immensity of it all. Miles & miles of showrooms. Upat 6:30 and back in the hotel no earlier than 10-11 p.m. Lots & lots of walking & talking, seeing new product, listening to the manufacturer's reps tell us their product was the best made, best priced, etc. I learned a lot, met some pretty cool people, met some scumbags too - thankfully they weremostly few & far between. Weather was pretty good - hot for this time of year I was told. The first day of market last year it snowed, but this year it stayed in the high 80s,plus the usual humidity. The day we left it cooled down - grrr. Beautiful area, lots of trees - not at all like it is here in central CA. I had ideas of trying to hook up with John Collins or Bob Neill, but again was unprepared for how busy I'd be. Steve Rittenberg told me about a card shop in Winston-Salem that he thought was worth checking out, and John emailed me directions (which turned out to be very easy to follow - thanks John!). I finally got my chance on Monday morning. Tried to call John early, but he was already off to work so I drove the rental over and spent severalhours rummaging through the bargain boxes. Found a few from the tough mid-high series from 1957, grabbed a few high numbers from 66, 70 & 71 and gota great start on a Portland Trailblazers collection I've been wanting to get going. I could have spent a whole lot more time there, but time was a precious commodity. Maybe next year. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 01:13:02 EDT Subject: My brothers mouse chewed my cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was at the local monthy hotel card show last weekend when a guy was walking from table to table trying to interest dealers in buying his basketball cards from his childhood- i heard all the dealers refusing to buy them- i heard them say- " i can't sell cards chewed on by a mouse - no one will buy them- "--- Well i had to approach the guy to see how old his basketball cards were- i was amazed when i recognized a 1948 bowman-i recognized the size and look of the card from my 48 bowman baseball cards- but these cards were in color unlike the black and white baseball cards- the guy who had the basketball cards said they were all chewed on by his brother's pet mouse- i said if you have 1948 bowman basketball cards i don't care who chewed on them- i know these cards have to be rare because i have never seen any at shows and they are pricey on ebay- unfortunately for me at least the guy said the 48 bowmans were his favorites and he would only sell me one of them after i kept asking him to sell me just one- i got a # 16- Sidney Hertzberg- Guard Washington Capitols for 50 cents-i just wish i could have gotten him to sell me more of those 48 bowman BB cards for 50 cents- i don't care how mouse chewed they are- i never see those cards at shows- (anyone collect old basketball cards? i am probably going to put the card up as an available on my list of availables this weekend- )--Linda ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:00:47 EDT Subject: Overgraded 52 mantle To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- check out ebay #1824369629-in the description of the card the seller grades it a Vg-Ex--check out the scan of the card- the card has a lot of noticable surface wear and a bad lower left corner- i would grade this card a Good- any opinions?- i am going to be interested to see if anyone bids the minimum of $3,800 for this card- incidently Bleam 707 just had a Mantle on ebay too and it didn't get a single bid- # 1821116555---and here's another one that didn't get a single bid either--# 1819420573-don't you think that maybe this card is overpriced?? Linda ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 02:10:01 EDT Subject: Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 4/24/02 19:58:42 EDT, Jrhatchjr@aol.com writes: << Is there a dealer you won't buy from? >> Hi all, Blacklisted dealers? Definitely an interesting topic. Two people come to mind for me. I won't mention names either, but some of you may already know... you know what? I'll name names. What are they gonna do about it? Neither of these guys will come as a shock to some of you that have been to a show with me but here's the short list: Deadbeat dealer #1 is Steve Verkman a/k/a 'Jerkman'. He never treated me badly only because I never really let him have the opportunity to do so. About the time I joined OBC, he was center stage in a huge flame war with OBC'ers over an auction he ran. His customer service was poor at best and he chose to blame this on his auction winners. From what I understood, a majority thought his card grading was on the 'imaginitive' side... when they even got the correct cards they won at all. I've been to a couple shows where he's been publicly screamed at by other dealers, so his charming personality and excellent treatment isn't reserved for his customers. I would've loved to be a fly on the wall when Joel Glickman told him off at a show near him. I'm not the only one in OBC with the same opinion. Rick Ellison found a bunch of Mother's Cookies cards he needed at his table at the Nationals a couple years ago. He was all set to buy them when the lady said she'd have to talk to 'Mr. Verkman' to get a better price for him. Trips told her not to bother and walked away. Jerkman deserves whatever misfortune comes his way as far as I'm concerned. My Idiot Dealer Scum award goes to the King of Commons, Bill Henderson. He usually has the beat up stuff everyone in OBC looks for at very reasonable prices. I used to stop by his table at every Ft. Washington show and spend several hundred dollars every time - keyword: "USED TO". The last time I was looking at cards on his table, Bill was doing his usual 'ignore everything going on' routine, as he was either pricing cards or selecting which ones will go in his eBay auctions (or writing his ovegraded descriptions, I don't know). Anyway, all of a sudden, he looks up from what he was doing and asks me about a couple 51 Bowman cards that were supposedly on top of his 10% bargain box a couple minutes ago. Now I was not the only one searching through his table and several people had come and gone since he last looked up. I had no idea where these important $5 cards might be located now, but they were certainly not in my bag - which Mr. Henderson had me show him the contents of. I may be a lot of things, but a thief is not one of them. Bill bit the hand that fed him that day, as I will not even look at whatever he has now. I hope he eventually located those two 51 Bowman cards though... he might need them to earn back his table fees now that I'm not spending four or five hundred there any more. On the flip side of the coin (and to make things fair), there's several dealers I'd go out of my way to patronize. In no particular order: Kevin Savage, Ron Barrett, Roger Neufeldt, Randy Kniffin, Ron Wheeler, and Kurt Tourdot all get my five star rating. A couple of them would earn an 11 on a scale of 1 to 10 too. Most of them offer OBC discounts, especially on tipton cards. Maybe we should put in an order for special "OBC Favorite Dealer" hats? I'm not sure if any of them would actually wear them though... I'd put out a Top Ten list, but it's getting late and you're probably all tired from reading my last note or two. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] best card back ? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:46:17 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" AARRRGGGHHHH! Will you please put those of us who don;t have this card out of our misery???!!! -----Original Message----- From: Jim Beauchemin [mailto:jimbo777777@yahoo.com] Sent: 25 April 2002 03:50 To: ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] best card back ? Excellent! Reminds me of my favorite, good 'ol '63 Tex Clevenger. (Has there EVER been a better baseball name?) "Tex had the lowest ERA on the Yanks in '62. He was optioned to Richmond in April 1963". OK, I was only 8, and didn't really understand baseball yet, but....gee Dad, why would they send Tex to the minors if he had the best ERA on the team? Sean McGowan wrote: Bob read pointed this one out to me. If you have a '64 #561 Rick Wise (Dave Bennett) rookie... check out the amazing fact about Dave Bennett on the back :) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 07:51:53 -0400 From: "John Collins" I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probably remember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grossly overgrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to dealers. I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was no damage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his auctions that is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask ifhe really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded corners.Occasionally he will write back to say he will change the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything about grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. There are a couple of dealers who are regulars at the Raleigh, NC show at the state fairgrounds who I will not buy from, though I don't know them by name. This is a show that is held every couple of months or so, with anywhere from 150 to 250 tables. These guys, like Bill H. in Ken's previous e-mail, will sit and ignore most customers, even if you have been standing at their table for 10 minutes or so. In one case, with the worst offender in this category, I was the ONLY person standing at his table, and I still had to be the first one to speak up. I was asking about a '55 Topps Koufax rookie that he had in his case, without a price tag. The guy looked up from his novel (was he even here to sell cards?) as if I had just disturbed him deeply. I asked what kind of price he had on the card. He looked at me for a couple of seconds before say "well, probably pretty high..." as if to say "however much it is, you can't afford it, so don't bother." I told him"oh, I see," and moved on. I had a couple hundred dollars cash in my pocket that day, but after that experience, certainly none of it was going to be left at his table. John C. Collins ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 2:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? In a message dated 4/24/02 19:58:42 EDT, Jrhatchjr@aol.com writes: << Is there a dealer you won't buy from? >> Hi all, Blacklisted dealers? Definitely an interesting topic. Two people come to mind for me. I won't mention names either, but some of you may already know... you know what? I'll name names. What are they gonna do about it? Neither of these guys will come as a shock to some of you that have been to show with me but here's the short list: Deadbeat dealer #1 is Steve Verkman a/k/a 'Jerkman'. He never treated me badly only because I never really let him have the opportunity to do so. About the time I joined OBC, he was center stage in a huge flame war with OBC'ers over an auction he ran. His customer service was poor at best andhe chose to blame this on his auction winners. From what I understood, a majority thought his card grading was on the 'imaginitive' side... when they even got the correct cards they won at all. I've been to a couple shows where he's been publicly screamed at by other dealers, so his charming personality and excellent treatment isn't reserved for his customers. I would've loved to be a fly on the wall when Joel Glickman told him off at a show near him. I'm not the only one in OBC with the same opinion. Rick Ellison found a bunch of Mother's Cookies cards he needed at his table at the Nationals a couple years ago. He was all set to buy them when the lady said she'd have to talk to 'Mr. Verkman' to get a better price for him. Trips told her not to bother and walked away. Jerkman deserves whatever misfortune comes his way as far I'm concerned. My Idiot Dealer Scum award goes to the King of Commons, Bill Henderson. usually has the beat up stuff everyone in OBC looks for at very reasonable prices. I used to stop by his table at every Ft. Washington show and spend several hundred dollars every time - keyword: "USED TO". The last time I was looking at cards on his table, Bill was doing his usual 'ignore everything going on' routine, as he was either pricing cards or selecting which ones will go in his eBay auctions (or writing his ovegraded descriptions, I don't know). Anyway, all of a sudden, he looks up from what he was doing and asks me about a couple 51 Bowman cards that were supposedly on top of his 10% bargain box a couple minutes ago. Now I was not the only one searching through his table and several people had come and gone since he last looked up. I had no idea where these important $5 cards might be located now, but they were certainly not in my bag - which Mr. Henderson had me show him the contents of. I may be a lot of things, but a thief is not one of them. Bill bit the hand that fed him that day, as I will not even look at whatever he has now. I hope he eventually located those two 51 Bowman cards though...he might need them to earn back his table fees now that I'm not spending four five hundred there any more. On the flip side of the coin (and to make things fair), there's several dealers I'd go out of my way to patronize. In no particular order: Kevin Savage, Ron Barrett, Roger Neufeldt, Randy Kniffin, Ron Wheeler, and Kurt Tourdot all get my five star rating. A couple of them would earn an 11 ona scale of 1 to 10 too. Most of them offer OBC discounts, especially on tipton cards. Maybe we should put in an order for special "OBC Favorite Dealer" hats? I'm not sure if any of them would actually wear them though... I'd put out a Top Ten list, but it's getting late and you're probably all tired from reading my last note or two. TAYL, Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:05:50 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,wmDpks@aol.com Subject: Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? From: Dan Austin With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him from the "OBC certified Dealers" list? At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: >I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probably >remember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grossly >overgrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes >to dealers. >I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I >got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking >out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was no >damage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the >only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his >auctions that is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an >e-mail to ask if he really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply >rounded corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will change >the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I >must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything about >grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm >not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. ================= To: dan@iamdanaustin.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com wmDpks@aol.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 06:40:03 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Dan & all: That is the one thing I was thinking but didn't suggest in my ramble. I am certain that Bill at times can be very reasonable, and he is certainly one of the most recognized "older" dealer names in the hobby. I just think he has gotten a little too big for his britches. I have seen many members basically agree that he overgrades, but that he still sells OBC grade stuff at reasonable prices. Maybe at shows (I've never been to one that he was at), but on ebay I don't think this is true anymore ($79 opening bid on a '57 Mantle that is "poor" by Bill's own admission ?? -so I'm guessing it is actually poor minus -- that may be a fair WINNING bid for that card, but in my opinion not a fair opening one). True that if you look at Bill's closed auctions, about 75% of the stuff doesn't sell at all anyway.... If there are still memebers who buy from Bill regularly and are satisfied, then it doesn't make sense to take him off of the list, I guess. Should we put out a feeler for any "positive feedback" on Bill Henderson? >--- Original Message --- >From: Dan Austin >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wmDpks@aol.com >Date: 4/25/02 7:05:50 AM With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill Henderson >days, is it time for us to remove him from the "OBC certified Dealers" list? >At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: >>I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probably >>remember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grossly >>overgrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes >>to dealers. >>I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I >>got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking >>out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was no >>damage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the >>only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his >>auctions that is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an >>e-mail to ask if he really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply >>rounded corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will change >>the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I >>must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything >>grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm >>not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:28:42 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I've stayed out of the Bill Henderson bashing until now. I can't disagree that his ebay cards (and his own auction) are overpriced. But you go to see him in person and its a different experience. There is ALWAYS an automatic OBC discount. And its a pretty hefty one, too. I've learned that I don't go after his pricey albums and just stick to the stuff he sells in bulk. I feel its a bit dishonest for the group as a whole to continue receiving the service (i.e. discount) we have been getting while slamming him and chasing away other OBCers. Further, I don't think any dealer is "perfect". Kevin Savage charges way too much for shipping in his auctions unless you make sure you call up and tell him not to. Same for Mike Wheat. Mike will only take cash for stuff from his dollar box, even if you pulled a couple hundred cards. Wayne Varner (Shoebox cards) sends outa catalog but everytime I call for something, its already gone. Well, he's not OBC certified but you get the point. And even dealers that I seein person, like Roger Neufeldt, can be a pain to deal with. He's NEVER finished setting up when the show starts. He always has 4 or 5 people totalk to at once. I end up waiting 10 minutes while he answers other people's questions so that I can purchase three cards from him. He often forgets or can't find stuff that he tells you is great for you. But despite my raving, I'm still going to go see him at every show. I know I'm sounding like a cranky sob here. Maybe we should re-think the whole concept of "OBC certified dealer". There seem to be great dealers for ebay, great dealers for shows and great dealers for mail order. Maybewe can create some sub categories along these lines. And how about we review the dealers on the list every couple of years to find out how many of us still do business with that person and would still recommend that dealerto someone else in the group. Just my two cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; wmDpks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him from the "OBC certified Dealers" list? At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probablyremember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grossly overgrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to dealers. I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was no damage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his auctionsthat is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask if he really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will change the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything about grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 10:19:25 -0500 To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? From: "Dr. John V Harrell" I'd like to insert a few comments from someone who doesn't have the luxury of having dealers to bash. With no shops and almost no shows to attend I (like other OBCers I'm sure) would love to have some of the problems I've been hearing about. For example, I've done business with Steve Verkman for perhaps 6 or 7 years with no problems. He's the only dealer around who still runs $5 auctions and I've gotten great deals from him. Moreover, I buy stuff from his catalog simply because he has good prices on some things I can't find anywhere else. I'm not trying to defend this guy but so far I've got no complaints with him. My point is that when you don't have a lot of options you take what what you can get. Kevin Savage is a super dealer who gives great value but most items in his auctions go for far more than I'm willing to pay (great to sell with but lousy to buy from, so to speak) and I'm not going to see him at any shows. Therefore from my perspective I prefer Verkman. On Bill Henderson, I totally agree about his grading practices, but I still buy form him on occasion when he has something I need and I don't have any other source. Case in point, he's got a 1938 Goudey York up for bid at 12.95, not unreasonable if you need that card and won't see it again real soon. An OBC certified list may be useful to many who regularly encounter these dealers but for others especially prewar collectors, it's somewhat of a moot point. Steve Rittenberg wrote: > I've stayed out of the Bill Henderson bashing until now. I can't > disagree that his ebay cards (and his own auction) are overpriced. > But you go to see him in person and its a different experience. > There is ALWAYS an automatic OBC discount. And its a pretty hefty > one, too. I've learned that I don't go after his pricey albums and > just stick to the stuff he sells in bulk. I feel its a bit dishonest > for the group as a whole to continue receiving the service (i.e. > discount) we have been getting while slamming him and chasing away > other OBCers. Further, I don't think any dealer is "perfect". > Kevin Savage charges way too much for shipping in his auctions unless > you make sure you call up and tell him not to. Same for Mike > Wheat. Mike will only take cash for stuff from his dollar box, even > if you pulled a couple hundred cards. Wayne Varner (Shoebox cards) > sends out a catalog but everytime I call for something, its already > gone. Well, he's not OBC certified but you get the point. And > even dealers that I see in person, like Roger Neufeldt, can be a pain > to deal with. He's NEVER finished setting up when the show > starts. He always has 4 or 5 people to talk to at once. I end up > waiting 10 minutes while he answers other people's questions so that I > can purchase three cards from him. He often forgets or can't find > stuff that he tells you is great for you. But despite my raving, > I'm still going to go see him at every show. I know I'm sounding like > a cranky sob here. Maybe we should re-think the whole concept of > "OBC certified dealer". There seem to be great dealers for ebay, > great dealers for shows and great dealers for mail order. Maybe we > can create some sub categories along these lines. And how about we > review the dealers on the list every couple of years to find out how > many of us still do business with that person and would still > recommend that dealer to someone else in the group. Just my two > cents. Steve ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Austin > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; wmDpks@aol.com > Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:05 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy > from? > With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill > Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him from > the "OBC certified Dealers" list? > At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: > > I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of > > you probably remember, I have rambled many times before > > about his tendancy to grossly overgrade cards, which is > > probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to dealers. > > > > I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. > > Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the > > mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which he > > had failed to ship properly. There was no damage to the > > card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today > > the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I > > see one of his auctions that is graded too ridiculously to > > ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask if he really > > thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded > > corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will > > change the listing, and other times he gets angry and > > writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced > > collector because I don't know anything about grading. > > Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big > > loss. I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at any > > rate. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of > Service. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: jharrell@huntingdon.edu Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 08:37:52 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Clearly, from what I have heard, some dealers can be a problem for some members, and be helpful and no problem to others. I guess this just goes to the fact that we all collect differently and have had (will continue to have) different experiences. I don't think anybody should be removed from the list at this point. Maybe we could add a section on the page to list members experience / feedback for the particular dealer? Or what the dealer can help you with / may not be so good with, etc? Just another idea. >--- Original Message --- >From: "Dr. John V Harrell" >To: Steve Rittenberg >Date: 4/25/02 10:19:25 AM >I'd like to insert a few comments from someone who doesn't have >luxury of having dealers to bash.  With no shops and almost no shows to >attend I (like other OBCers I'm sure) would love to have some of the >problems I've been hearing about.  For example,  I've done business >Steve Verkman for perhaps 6 or 7 years with no problems.  He's the only >dealer around who still runs $5 auctions and I've gotten great >from him.  Moreover,  I buy stuff from his catalog simply because he has >good prices on some things I can't find anywhere else.  I'm not trying >to defend this guy but so far I've got no complaints with him.  My point >is that when you don't have a lot of options you take what what you can >get.  Kevin Savage is a super dealer who gives great value but >items in his auctions go for far more than I'm willing to pay (great to >sell with but lousy to buy from, so to speak) and I'm not going to see >him at any shows.  Therefore from my perspective I prefer Verkman. >Bill Henderson,  I totally agree about his grading practices, but I >still buy form him on occasion when he has something I need and I don't >have any other source.  Case in point, he's got a 1938 Goudey York up >for bid at 12.95,  not unreasonable if you need that card and won't see >it again real soon. >An OBC certified list may be useful to many who regularly encounter >these dealers but for others especially prewar collectors, it's >of a moot point. >Steve Rittenberg wrote: >> I've stayed out of the Bill Henderson bashing until now.    I can't >> disagree that his ebay cards (and his own auction) are overpriced. >> But you go to see him in person and its a different experience. >> There is ALWAYS an automatic OBC discount.    And its a pretty >> one, too.    I've learned that I don't go after his pricey albums and >> just stick to the stuff he sells in bulk.   I feel its a bit >> for the group as  a whole to continue receiving the service >> discount) we have been getting while slamming him and chasing >> other OBCers.    Further, I don't think any dealer is "perfect". >> Kevin Savage charges way too much for shipping in his auctions >> you make sure you call up and tell him not to.    Same for >> Wheat.    Mike will only take cash for stuff from his dollar box, even >> if you pulled a couple hundred cards.    Wayne Varner (Shoebox >> sends out a catalog but everytime I call for something, its >> gone.    Well, he's not OBC certified but you get the point.    >> even dealers that I see in person, like Roger Neufeldt, can be a pain >> to deal with.    He's NEVER finished setting up when the show >> starts.    He always has 4 or 5 people to talk to at once.    I end up >> waiting 10 minutes while he answers other people's questions so that I >> can purchase three cards from him.    He often forgets or can't find >> stuff that he tells you is great for you.    But despite my >> I'm still going to go see him at every show. I know I'm sounding >> a cranky sob here.   Maybe we should re-think the whole concept >> "OBC certified dealer".    There seem to be great dealers for ebay, >> great dealers for shows and great dealers for mail order.   Maybe we >> can create some sub categories along these lines.   And how about we >> review the dealers on the list every couple of years to find out how >> many of us still do business with that person and would still >> recommend that dealer to someone else in the group. Just my >> cents. Steve  ----- Original Message ----- >>      From: Dan Austin >>      To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; wmDpks@aol.com >>      Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:05 AM >>      Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't >>      from? >>       With all the negative comments I've been hearing about >>      Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him >>      the "OBC certified Dealers" list? >>      At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: >>     > I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson.  As many >>     > you probably remember, I have rambled many times before >>     > about his tendancy to grossly overgrade cards, which >>     > probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to dealers. >>     > >>     > I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about >>     > Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the >>     > mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which >>     > had failed to ship properly.  There was no damage to >>     > card, but it kind of made me ill just the same.   Today >>     > the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when >>     > see one of his auctions that is graded too ridiculously >>     > ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask if he really >>     > thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded >>     > corners.  Occasionally he will write back to say he >>     > change the listing, and other times he gets angry and >>     > writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced >>     > collector because I don't know anything about grading. >>     > Most of the time though, he just ignores me.  No big >>     > loss.  I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at >>     > rate. >>      To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >>      OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>      Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms >>      Service. >>                    Yahoo! Groups Sponsor >                        ADVERTISEMENT >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: The King of something or other Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:45:44 +0000 From: mattglidden@attbi.com > If there are still memebers who buy from Bill regularly and are > satisfied, then it doesn't make sense to take him off of the > list, I guess. Should we put out a feeler for any "positive > feedback" on Bill Henderson? At the last Ft. Washington show I attended I purchased a pretty big group of cards from Bill, though I ended up only buying a couple cards from him at last year's National. I just purchased my first card from him on eBay, at about $8 for a low-grade 51 Bowman high number (to be honest, I think he may have "mispriced"--for Bill- -the card, as it was several bucks below what his others started at). I think Bill caters well to certain attitudes basic to OBC, though primarily in person only. 1) He puts out a trough of cards. I love to look through boxes of cards, I'll do it for hours. That's pretty much how I came by all the cards from Ft. Washington, when other people were pulling things like a '50 Bowman Jackie Robinson for $1 and the like out of his 50s box. It's great to find the pearl on the ocean bottom. 2) He gives a blanket discount and takes checks in In deference to these two points, I'll give up most things about a dealer, including personality. Unfortunately he's had enough problems in that department to put off people like Ken, who I'm sure isn't the only one. At this point, there's probably not much I can buy from Bill--I don't need many commons anymore, and I have a much easier time buying stars from other dealers or eBay. I would guess that Bill's eBay listings probably reflect the trouble involved, to a somewhat eggagerated extent. After all, how much is our time worth? I've done some selling on eBay before, and it's pretty hit-and-miss what you're going to get for bids sometimes. If that's actually his whole business, it may make better financial sense to sell a card every fourth time it lists, just to avoid getting 5% of book for a card he might get 10% for two weeks later. Annoying? Yes! Damn annoying, especially when I need the card and want to try to get it for 5% or less. It's always nice to at least put in a bid on a card, and (every now and then) end up with a 50s star for $2 or $3. But it's understandable to me, considering the fickleness of the Anyway, I'm rambling. I echo the dealer sentiments and recommendations of the other people, having had similar success at past shows. I guess that's why there'll always be shows: sometimes you just need to look them in the eye (assuming they put down the book) to know when you're being had or figure out that they just don't care. Remember! YOUR BID IS A CONTRACT, yadda yadda. OBC: "Because every card is one of one" ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:17:11 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I refuse to buy from one dealer...most of us know who that person is (Jerkman)...although at the last national in anaheim, i did sort of spend money at his table...not really sure how it came about but some 10 year old wanted a t-206 common but was short 10 bucks...i gave the kid the money...he gave me a smile...not sure who i was with at the time, maybe steve or rick will remember. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:21:13 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: Wite3@aol.com, Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com am i wrong, or wasn't jerkman suspended from selling on ebay? ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 11:49:16 -0700 From: "yaz" An OBC dealer ranking page might be of some help. Whenever an OBC member does business (or attempts to do business) with a dealer he can later send in a positive, negative or neutral rating for the dealer. Make it simple.No responses allowed from the dealers. This would be for OBC members only.The dealer with the most positives (minus negatives) will be atop the listuntil he isn't. With so many OBCers in contact with so many dealers this may become an unmanageable task but it would undoubtably be a great help if it could be managed. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? I've stayed out of the Bill Henderson bashing until now. I can't disagree that his ebay cards (and his own auction) are overpriced. But you goto see him in person and its a different experience. There is ALWAYS anautomatic OBC discount. And its a pretty hefty one, too. I've learned that I don't go after his pricey albums and just stick to the stuff he sells in bulk. I feel its a bit dishonest for the group as a whole to continue receiving the service (i.e. discount) we have been getting while slamming him and chasing away other OBCers. Further, I don't think any dealeris "perfect". Kevin Savage charges way too much for shipping in his auctions unless you make sure you call up and tell him not to. Same for Mike Wheat. Mike will only take cash for stuff from his dollar box, even ifyou pulled a couple hundred cards. Wayne Varner (Shoebox cards) sends out a catalog but everytime I call for something, its already gone. Well,he's not OBC certified but you get the point. And even dealers that I see in person, like Roger Neufeldt, can be a pain to deal with. He's NEVER finished setting up when the show starts. He always has 4 or 5 people to talk to at once. I end up waiting 10 minutes while he answers other people's questions so that I can purchase three cards from him. He often forgets or can't find stuff that he tells you is great for you. But despite my raving, I'm still going to go see him at every show. I know I'm sounding like a cranky sob here. Maybe we should re-think the whole concept of "OBC certified dealer". There seem to be great dealers for ebay, great dealers for shows and great dealers for mail order. Maybe we can create some sub categories along these lines. And how about we review the dealers on the list every couple of years to find out how many of us still do business with that person and would still recommend that dealer to someone else in the group. Just my two cents. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; wmDpks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him from the "OBC certified Dealers"list? At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probably remember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grosslyovergrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was nodamage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his auctions that is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask if he really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will change the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything about grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:58:18 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC- Hats & Tiger Game To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Tiger Fans, Whether you wish to acknowledge that you are a Tiger fan or not, I would like to get 1 last count of those wishing to attend the OBC Tiger game gathering on Saturday, June 8, with the pregame OBC swap session and hat distribution. This will allow us to have sufficient hats for Ken to forward to my attention for distribution at this event. The important question is whether the hats will fit over the paper bags we will wear at the game over our heads due to the ineptness of the last place Tigers. Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 14:37:50 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Well Jim said this might get some interesting results. I think we all have dealers we get comfortable with, whether they tend to have stuff we need, give us extra discounts or are knowledgeable, etc. On the flip side there are always a few dealers we wish to avoid, someone we felt took advantage of us, misgraded a card, overcharged for postage, was rude, will not give any discount, even for a large purchase, etc. I have had my share of positive and negative experiences. There is a local dealer who I was looking at stuff on his table when I overheard him talking to someone else at the table and spewing anti-semitic remarks. As a Jewish person I wsa deeply offended, told the deale r so, left the cards I was looking at and walked away. I have not purchased anything from him since. Similarly, I have heard rascist remarks and said something and do not feel the need to give such a person my money. Another group I avoid, although, I do sometimes break this rule, are dealers who smoke. I do not like the "film" of smoke on the cards, and do not like to inhale the smoke. Not long ago, I was looking through a box and asked the dealer if I took 200 cards (I think it was a $.50 box) what kind of deal I would get. His response was $100 for 200 $.50 cards. The cards are priced fairly and I do not give any discounts. I do not agree with it, but I can respect his opinion. I told him that I would not buy as many because of that and he was content to not sell them. On the flip side, are there any dealers who will not SELL to you? Last year I was at a show in Toronto. I went to a dealer's table and asked how much something was (it was not priced, a Steve pet peeve). The dealer looked up, and even though I did not recognize him as anyone I had done business with before, stated, "You are not welcome at my table. I know who you are. You beat me out of a deal with another dealer 6 months ago. I wanted the deal, but you were there first. You also got another tremendous deal I saw and I will not sell to you, since you get these great deals." He was serious and took the album away from me. I thought it was funny, that I had never dealt with the guy, he knew I spent money and would not let me even look at his stuff. At this same Toronto show, deales who saw me walking down the aisle would call me over, stating they had stuff for me to look at, that they had brought special for me, hoping that I would be at the show. I alway try to buy at least something from such a dealer. If they can take the time to recognize me and to pull something for me to look at, I will reward that. It can result in future deals. 1 dealer called me over and said I owed him $15 (Canadian). I was surprised and asked him for what. He said for the stuff he had pulled for me. I aksed him what it was, and his response was you'll like it, just give me the $15. I was curious and paid him. He gave me an 800 count box of Red Wings for my nephew. Well worth it; chocked full of Yzermans, Federovs, etc. My nephew got his holiday present from this box. All in all, like everythign else, some dealers are good, some are bad, some are average. I do think it is important for the group to notify each other of dealers we feel are intentionally trying to rip people off or deal in bad faith (Linda's I cannot find the card, dealer). Mike Rich ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 12:49:35 -0700 From: "jcollins12" When searching through the "troughs" or bargain bins, I think it always a good idea for the dealer to give quantity discounts. It is just an easy way for the dealer to make the customer feel special, and does it really put them out that much money? For example, I was at a show back around the first of the year when I found a dealer with a box of F/G condition 60s and 70s cards for only 10 cents apiece! I picked out 100 and handed the guy a $10 bill. He then told me to pick out about 15 more. Simple way to make me feel like I was getting a huge deal. It is hard for me to understand dealers who won't do this, and even more hard to understand those who act like you are annoying them and completely wasting their time when you ask them to take something out of the case for you to look at. One dealer had this attitude at another table at the same show when I asked him to see a stack of '56 Topps stars in fairly decent shape. If he was at the show to sell cards and make a profit, then what could possibly be annoying about me asking to see a stack of cards in which the cheapest one was probably at least $100? He should have been excited about the possibility to make a Dealer-Scum. An appropriate term, whoever invented it ! >--- Original Message --- >From: mikesportsfan@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 4/25/02 9:37:50 AM Well Jim said this might get some interesting results. I think we all have >dealers we get comfortable with, whether they tend to have stuff we need, >give us extra discounts or are knowledgeable, etc. On the flip side there >are always a few dealers we wish to avoid, someone we felt took advantage of >us, misgraded a card, overcharged for postage, was rude, will not give any >discount, even for a large purchase, etc. >I have had my share of positive and negative experiences. There is a local >dealer who I was looking at stuff on his table when I overheard him talking >to someone else at the table and spewing anti-semitic remarks. As a Jewish >person I wsa deeply offended, told the deale r so, left the cards I was >looking at and walked away. I have not purchased anything from him since. >Similarly, I have heard rascist remarks and said something and do not feel >the need to give such a person my money. Another group I avoid, although, I >do sometimes break this rule, are dealers who smoke. I do not like the >"film" of smoke on the cards, and do not like to inhale the >Not long ago, I was looking through a box and asked the dealer if I took 200 >cards (I think it was a $.50 box) what kind of deal I would get. His >response was $100 for 200 $.50 cards. The cards are priced fairly and I do >not give any discounts. I do not agree with it, but I can respect >opinion. I told him that I would not buy as many because of that and he was >content to not sell them. >On the flip side, are there any dealers who will not SELL to you? Last year >I was at a show in Toronto. I went to a dealer's table and asked how much >something was (it was not priced, a Steve pet peeve). The dealer looked up, >and even though I did not recognize him as anyone I had done business with >before, stated, "You are not welcome at my table. I know who you are. You >beat me out of a deal with another dealer 6 months ago. I wanted the deal, >but you were there first. You also got another tremendous deal I saw and I >will not sell to you, since you get these great deals." He was serious and >took the album away from me. I thought it was funny, that I had never dealt >with the guy, he knew I spent money and would not let me even look at his >stuff. At this same Toronto show, deales who saw me walking down the aisle >would call me over, stating they had stuff for me to look at, that they had >brought special for me, hoping that I would be at the show. I alway try to >buy at least something from such a dealer. If they can take the time to >recognize me and to pull something for me to look at, I will reward that. It >can result in future deals. 1 dealer called me over and said I owed him $15 >(Canadian). I was surprised and asked him for what. He said for the stuff >he had pulled for me. I aksed him what it was, and his response was you'll >like it, just give me the $15. I was curious and paid him. He gave me an >800 count box of Red Wings for my nephew. Well worth it; chocked full of >Yzermans, Federovs, etc. My nephew got his holiday present from this box. >All in all, like everythign else, some dealers are good, some are bad, some >are average. I do think it is important for the group to notify each other >of dealers we feel are intentionally trying to rip people off or deal in bad >faith (Linda's I cannot find the card, dealer). >Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:36:47 EDT Subject: 52's To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: sassyrock@aol.com Hey I just finished cataloging my 52's and have found I have many dupes...some in tipton shape others pretty good...please email me your want list of 52's if interested...Sassy ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 17:18:10 -0400 (EDT) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC- Hats & Tiger Game From: Originaleek@webtv.net I'm there!! Perhaps we could wear plastic grocery bags over our heads, that way the hats will fit over them no problem. A secondary benefit would be that if (or should I say when) the Tigers lose, those that want to could just tie the bag off around their neck's and be put out of their misery. As the organizer of this event, my question to you is; if anyone does that, do they get to keep their hat? We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 22:16:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a dealer you won't buy from? From: "rayluurs" I must admit i am still learning about about grading but as the art critic says i know what i like, and will go after it unless bidded by another obcer. My expierence have been mostly with 3 dealers. Like "Bama" dwal with locals, Kurt Tourdot being the first OBCer i ever met ok Dick second. I met him at local Twins Fest, He introduced himself and I mention I remebered his name from the OBC directory. Mentioning that automatically got me a discount (i hadnt bought anything yet) when I handed him cards he gave me a price which was over what i had brought....he gave me cards and told him to mail the rest or get him at next card show...The next time i met him not only did he rember my name but remebered what i was collecting at the time and he had set cards out for me to look at needless to say my 53 set of Bowman's and Topps art mostly out of Kurt's tub. He is the first or second person i go to. The other is Gus Zabel--although he is not obc certified I have recommended him to several people here. I may have overpaid on my 53 Mays from him....i must admit he gave me a price he was comfortable with and being the last card i needed to complete set i jumped at it. I found out i probably could of gotten it cheaper on ebay but i wouldnt of gained a person I can call friend and now He gives me a leeway on some cards i have bought from him.....Giving me discounts on cards i dont collect but he is tired of packing around which i have used in Trades with OBcer. While I have had dealing with Bill Henderson, it has been on ebay and I have bought or bid on things i wanted but I have never bid over what i thought card was worth to me most of the time getting the card for opening bid. i bought from other ebayer and never had a problem with any of them however saying that I have stayed away from ebay or website run by Steve Verkman because of the problem more than one person I dont know how he would treat me but not willing to learn either I may have gotten some good deal but I am comfortable with the guys i deal I have had a very good expierence so for now i can say I havent met an obcer or dealer i havent got along with. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:31:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fwd: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jim Beauchemin Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jim Beauchemin Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: Steve Rittenberg I've always had good luck with Bill. The caveat is, that I always assume, not only with him but any dealer, that the card will be a grade or two lower than advertised. If I can throw a different wrinkle in here - I recently ran into my first crook on ebay. I guess I was due after 253 good transactions. His name, depending on whether you believe his PayPal or his ebay registration, is either Jeff Keith or David Saunders. He's from Utah. His ebay handle, although he's now "no longer registered" was dscutah. I won a lot from him on 3/18, paid immediately via PayPal. Got nothing. WRote to him on 3/28. No response. Wrote again on 4/2, he finally responded that he had a death in the family, would get cards out very soon. I've checked the obits in his local papers. Nothing under either name. Still, I feigned sympathy, gave him more time. By 4/12, still nothing. I wrote again. No response. On 4/15, I tried one last time, told him I was going to file appropriate fraud reports. Still no response. I've filed fraud reports with ebay, PayPal and my own credit card company. We shall see. If you've ever dealt with this guy, and know anything that might help me, I'd welcome the help. If you've never dealt with him, don't. He's a liar and a crook. Steve Rittenberg wrote: I've stayed out of the Bill Henderson bashing until now. I can't disagree that his ebay cards (and his own auction) are overpriced. But you go to see him in person and its a different experience. There is ALWAYS an automatic OBC discount. And its a pretty hefty one, too. I've learned that I don't go after his pricey albums and just stick to the stuff he sells in bulk. I feel its a bit dishonest for the group as a whole to continue receiving the service (i.e. discount) we have been getting while slamming him and chasing away other OBCers. Further, I don't think any dealer is "perfect". Kevin Savage charges way too much for shipping in his auctions unless you make sure you call up and tell him not to. Same for Mike Wheat. Mike will only take cash for stuff from his dollar box, even if you pulled a couple hundred cards. Wayne Varner (Shoebox cards) sends out a catalog but everytime I call for something, its already gone. Well, he's not OBC certified but you get the point. And even dealers that I see in person, like Roger Neufeldt, can be a pain to deal with. He's NEVER finished setting up when the show starts. He always has 4 or 5 people to talk to at once. I end up waiting 10 minutes while he answers other people's questions so that I can purchase three cards from him. He often forgets or can't find stuff that he tells you is great for you. But despite my raving, I'm still going to go see him at every show. I know I'm sounding like a cranky sob here. Maybe we should re-think the whole concept of "OBC certified dealer". There seem to be great dealers for ebay, great dealers for shows and great dealers for mail order. Maybe we can create some sub categories along these lines. And how about we review the dealers on the list every couple of years to find out how many of us still do business with that person and would still recommend that dealer to someone else in the group. Just my two cents. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; wmDpks@aol.com Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 8:05 AMSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? With all the negative comments I've been hearing about Bill Henderson these days, is it time for us to remove him from the "OBC certified Dealers" list? At 07:51 AM 4/25/02, you wrote: I will echo Ken's sentiment on Bill Henderson. As many of you probably remember, I have rambled many times before about his tendancy to grossly overgrade cards, which is probably my number one pet peeve when it comes to dealers. I used to buy from Bill pretty regularly back about 1998. Then one time I got a card (not a cheap one either) in the mail from him that was poking out of a top loader which he had failed to ship properly. There was no damage to the card, but it kind of made me ill just the same. Today the only contact I have with Bill, is ocassionally when I see one of his auctions that is graded too ridiculously to ignore, I will send him an e-mail to ask if he really thinks that is an "appears EX" card with deeply rounded corners. Occasionally he will write back to say he will change the listing, and other times he gets angry and writes to tell me that I must not be an experienced collector because I don't know anything about grading. Most of the time though, he just ignores me. No big loss. I'm not going to be buying from him soon, at any rate. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 15:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] best card back ? To: Glenn Codere , From: Jim Beauchemin "Dave is the younger brother of the Phil's ace, Dennis Bennett. The 19-year old right handed curveballer is just 18 years old." Glenn Codere wrote: AARRRGGGHHHH! Will you please put those of us who don;t have this card out of our misery???!!! Glenn -----Original Message----- From: Jim Beauchemin [mailto:jimbo777777@yahoo.com] Sent: 25 April 2002 03:50 To: ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] best card back ? Excellent! Reminds me of my favorite, good 'ol '63 Tex Clevenger. (Has there EVER been a better baseball name?) "Tex had the lowest ERA on the Yanks in '62. He was optioned to Richmond in April 1963". OK, I was only 8, and didn't really understand baseball yet, but....gee Dad, why would they send Tex to the minors if he had the best ERA on the team? Sean McGowan wrote: Kids, Bob read pointed this one out to me. If you have a '64 #561 Rick Wise (Dave Bennett) rookie... check out the amazing fact about Dave Bennett on the back :) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 19:12:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from?--clarification To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I have been going to shows for years and buying catalog cards for years....here are some things I have found that I really like about some Kevin Savage has met me twice and I bought through a phone order once with him. The second time I met him, five years after the first mind you, he not only remembered me and "the list" he pulled cards for me. When I asked to see some '60 Nu Card Scoops and then was disappointed when they were reprints, he asked what was wrong. Told him they were reprints and explained to him why (no back question, only black and white writing), he immediately pulled them out of his case, remarked them as reprints, lowered all the prices, and offered them to me for a song. That is trust in your customers. This only two months after a rather large LA show where I told a dealer that his $75 poor Cracker Jack common was a reprint because the back was mis-printed badly and the cardboard and color were off (Cracker Jacks are paper thin/hold them up to the light and you can see through them thin). He then told me I was not welcome at the table and that he would have the promoter escort me out because "I was ruining his business." The promoter did in fact come over, did in fact escort me out after a nice talk about our softball leauges--and about twenty minutes later having the guy pack up his stuff...have not seen the dealer since. People who understand that I do have a knowledge of the hobby and treat me with respect make me happy. Tik and Tik...The only guy in the country who will let me come around the other side of his table and handle 19th century cards worth more than my car and not buy a damn thing. Can't remember his name (terry something)...but everytime I see him, he asks me how things are and hands me a stack of neat stuff to rifle through knowing full well that I can't afford any of it...although I did buy 2 n-172s from him in 1988 and two e-254 proofs in 1996. I have had dealers cringe and tell me know if I want to look at a high dollar card in their cases...one even told me I probably could not afford it so he wasn't going to let me look. People who do not judge me and treat me as a collector make me happy. Solomon Cramer used to be partnered with Steve Verkman...when Steve screwed me on several auction lots, Solomon made it right...gave me free s/h and extra stuff, he even kept a file on me and offered me neat phillie stuff he would find. Less than six months later he ditched Verkman altogether. Dealers who go out of there way to right a wrong (even when not their own) make me Bob Rusten...a guy I met on Prodigy, sold me my first Mayo Cut Plug for less than 100...keeps a file with guys interests and always checks them...Dealers who know my name or at least my face and collecting interest make me happy. I have been going to a dealer here in my area for nearly 20 years and he still does not remember my name, but he knows I collect phillies and that I love t-205s...people who know me make me happy. Any dealer, store, or person who will let me sit down and search...there have been several victims of my search policy...Peter, Rick, Ken, and David K. have seen me in total search mode...I like to look in every box of oddball stuff, old stuff, weird stuff, etc. for that one phillie card I might need on my list. There used to be a great store in Northridge (where Peter I. lives) that had a bunch of odd and old stuff...very upset when it closed...it was on the way to my college so I would stop about once a week. A new store opened about 25 minutes away and the owner of the Northridge shop told me the guy might have some stuff I need. I went to the new store, list in hand and started searching, 3 hours later I walked away with 3 fleer boxed set commons, and a few assorted oddball cards all for $3. The dealer was laughing as I handed him the money...he said "Son, you just cost me $7" I was sort of confused...turns out that the two dealers were friends and had bet each other $10 that I would spend more than an hour, find more than 5 phillies I needed and spend less than $20. Dealers who let me search make me happy. Boy, this is a Kenesque note...People who write too much make me happy :) ================= To: Subject: More Dealer Type Stuff Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 16:58:27 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" No, I'm not watching the Canucks/Wings any more....I could just TOSS right now. I'd bench Naslund and pull Cloutier....guess tha's why I'm not the Anyways, Bill Henderson sure didn't impress me when I met him at the Tacoma Show. Yes, he had a big box of commons in a bargain box, but he came on as pretty arrogant as I fished through the cards, like "why are you wasting my time buying thse cheap cards?" Why did he put them out then? Also, I just love his Evilbay listings....."FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW WHO I AM" is quite enough to make me want to forget him. Quick note about my fave...Tiger Dave...last show I went to with him, he was in a buying mood. Only a couple of tables there of any interest to either of us. He sized up one table, and bought the whole thing....sizeable investment! Problem....no box to put all the goodies in. So he starts handing me stacks of vintage cards in plastic holders to me, and tells me to take care of them, we'll sort them out later. So I crammed them into every available pocket I had and carried them around for about the next two hours. The wonderment on the other dealers faces was worth a million bucks....the comments were even more interesting about how crazy Dave was to "let this guy put those cards in his pocket." We had an absolute blast sorting through them over hot wings and a beer later...kinda says something about Dave, who by the way thinks very highly of a lot of OBC guys...I think Big Al is his fave though....well, somebody's gotta like him. ================= Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2002 20:07:33 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Is there a dealer you won't buy from? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I want to throw in my $.02. I have done well with Bill Henderson at Ft Washington. I usually am at his table with Steve Rittenberg and Bill gives me the "Rittenberg discount". I won't buy from him on Ebay cause his minimum prices are well above my willingness to pay on the cards he posts. I have been buying from, and selling to, Steve Verkman for probably 5 years and I've never had a problem with him. I've gotten great deals in his $5 auctions. The rule of thumb when dealing with Steve is he often overgrades 1 step, and he frequently mislabels the e cards in his catalog. I've bought from him in person and he has always given me a discount. I've sold him prewar cards and every time I set the price and he didn't try to lowball me. Tik and Tik are great. They are father Terry and son Terry. I see son Terry frequently at Northern Virginia shows, and father Terry at FW. Both have given me nice deals and let me search their stacks totally outrageously cool cards. If you've ever seen their showcases at a show, you know what I mean about the quality of their merchandise. I also deal frequently and positively with Ron Barrett and Mike Wheat. Mike bailed me out in 1995 when I was $2,000 short for the downpayment on my house and he bought a big stack of cards from me on his kitchen table to give me the money. I won't buy from the guy who had the table next to Ron Barrett last weekend at Chantilly. His name escapes me, but he's a nationally known dealer who periodically runs one of the glossy auctions. His cards were about 5X overpriced and he wasn't willing to deal. ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 03:32:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wow...just the mention of 52's....awesome! From: "sassabeth" I have received a lot of responses from my mear mention of 52's...I will try and hit each one of you... I also have noticed that many of you have completed your 76 topps sets. I haven't and have many, many dupes in great condition. If any of you are still searching or need up grades please let me know...I don't always get alot of time to read through everyones lists... with 5 boys I don't really have much time for anything...So I hope you don't mind me asking you for your wantlist... Also, I can say I am not much of a hat wearer, but am gonna get a hat anyway...do we have any T-shirts? If not can I use the logo and have one made?...just asking...Sassy ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 06:22:50 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: virus/Neill/Glenn/Ken/GaTech 2001 Media Guide/ 1965 rule From: keithsummers@webtv.net I have rcvd weird emails in the last 3 days from (in order) GAMOORE, YUKCHOW & DNATHAN. I guess a virus has attacked their address book. Luckily, one of the few advantages of WEBTV units are that they can NOT get or send a virus. So it has not caused me any problems but I was just curious if this has happend to anyone else in OBC. I think Steve R said he got a weird email from an OBC member who in turn said he did not send it. Maybe someone is playing around with the OBC directory like when they send spam with a fake header or such? So if you get a weird message from me (save the jokes!) I did not send it & don't blame virus free WEBTV users :-) I dealt with DOUBLEHEADERS a few yrs back on several occasions by ordering over $200 of items thru the mail, with no problems. Wasn't Verkman (I'm still a little hesistant to make fun of someones name again in a derogatory way, maybe later ) a co-owner of that place? Was he with Varner & Wheat, who went on to ShoeBox cards & Mike Wheat Cards or do I have it all wrong? Bob Neill, close the door on your 71 Topps set! I have your last 2 cards, nose bleeders Joe Foy & Chico Ruiz headed your way! Glenn, any update on the OBC personalized card project? Ken, if you drive down I-75 South (exit 267A) thru GA for the Miami/NE game you'll be within 3 miles of me. Maybe we can meet then for the OBC hat handoff? Anyone interested in a GaTech 2001 NCAA Football Media Guide? It's in nice shape & the info inside is VERY impressive. I even have 2 unused tickets (with 2 pinholes in each) to throw in, for the Citadel game, that my friend did not go to. Anyone I owe (there's at least 9 of you) gets priority but FCFS otherwise. Same goes for a little soft cover book I have which is 3.75 x 5.25 & has 64 pages, called 1965 BASEBALL RULES. It says published by the National Baseball Congress of America, Wichita, KS. It also says REVISED edition (with late rule changes) & copyright by Ford C. Frick (I see a name joke there too but......not yet ). Pages are kinda yellowed but no writing anywhere & the covers are in good shape. I just noticed the drawing is by Bill Nye (The Science Guy?). Email me for a photo of either item. Don't forget the DH poll ends on 4-30 (I think). I hope you figured out how to do it already but if not here are some tips: #1 Get a YAHOO USER ID. #2 Link your EMAIL that you get messages from OBC to THAT PROFILE by using the MEMBERSHIP WIZARD. #3 Click on "MY GROUPS" which you should see when you click here http://www.YahooGroups.com & wait for the whole page to load. It is slightly to the left I think & near the top. If that works, you'll see OBC-RAMBLINGS down & to the right. Follow that line out to the right & if it has SET PROFILE, click on it. You may also want to try clicking here http://www.EGROUPS.com & see what happens. If all that doesn't work, email me & maybe I can walk you thru it. If you have 2 phone lines, maybe you can call me while you are on your computer Sunday & let me know what is happening. Another option is for a local or visiting OBCer to drop by & take a look at your problem. Also, if their is someone you trust, you could turn your passcode over to them for about 7 minutes & they could probably fix it. Just check out all the options on your screen real good when you get to www.YahooGroups.com & you should be able to figure it out. Good luck! Keith Scummers (There ya go!) PS Reminds me of those "Wacky Packages" stickers that were out when I was in 5th grade. They did one for their own product & called it "Wormy Packages". They had CHUMPS (remember the guy with the propellor on his hat!) for CHARMS candy & even did a BEASTBALL CARDS for BASEBALL CARDS, which I still have :-) But what is the deal with that CHUMP in the helicopter hat?! ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:15:22 EDT Subject: Does Kurt Tourdot ever do shows in Los Angeles? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Hi this is Linda- i have been reading from the ramblings that one of the best dealers is Kurt Tourdot- he seems to have the biggest inventory of vintage cards and is a great guy to deal with according to OBCer's- i wonder if he ever does shows on the west coast-Linda ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:19:10 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Dealer Type Stuff To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Tigredave, I have only dealt with throught he mail...great dealer...another pac-norwester is Marc Macrae...great knowledge, always willing to answer a question and pretty good deals too...very obc friendly ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:56:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: lunch with the Shirley's From: "rbhankins" I had the great pleasure last week of visiting with Major and Mrs. Matt Shirley, thier two youngest sons, and Matt's parents. The Shirley clan was on thier way to a vacation in the Georgia mountains, and, thanks to Mapquest, we were able to locate a place to intercept them at lunchtime. I've heard you veterans say over and over again that "I've never met an OBC'er that I didn't like," and that holds true for me as well. This was my third get together with Matt, each one a real treat. ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 20:12:59 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dan Austin's "virtual collection" update! From: Dan Austin I have added a number of new sets to the page this week. Here is the current list of sets I have on this site: 1946 Remar Bread Oakland Oaks (23 cards) 1950 Remar Bread Oakland Oaks (27 cards) 1961 Golden Press (33 cards) 1961-62 Fleer (Basketball) (66 cards) 1969 Topps Decals (48 cards) 1971/1973 OPC Baseball Mini-Gallery 1978 Fleer World Series (Update Cards) 1978 Topps/Zest (5 cards) 2001 Donruss Notable Nicknames (18 cards) 2001 Upper Deck Legends Fiorentino Collection (14 cards) 2002 SP Legendary Cuts (33 cards/partial set) Keep checking back - more will follow! I'm working on 55 Topps next. Hopefully it will be up in a few days. http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/index.html Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 00:42:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Big Fat Puffies... From: "sassabeth" thank you all for responding to my 52's...I have dwindled down my dupe box once again...I tried to give something to everyone who responded so each of you look for a BFP in the mail! I have to add a message to Brock...I only had one card that you needed...sorry I couldn't do more for you...I have a few more to mail out since I ran out of puffies....suz ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 02:11:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '51 Topps Redback From: "jimbo777777" Still looking for a good home is '51 Topps Redback #18 Jerry Coleman. He's creased and he's crinkled, he's missing a bit of paper. Not for the faint of heart. But he's free to a good home. ================= To: , Subject: URGENT 'VIRUS WARNING" Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 21:15:11 -0500 From: "David Kolenda" There is a virus going around known as W32.Klez.gen@mm This virus seems to be concentrated on the microsoft outlook e-mail system.I SUGGEST ONE DOES NOT OPEN ANY E-MAIL WITH ATTACHMENTS UNLESS YOU HAVEPREVIOUS E-MAIL FROM THE SENDER SAYING IT IS COMING. I HAD 22 MESSAGES ON MY COMPUTER AT WORK THIS MORNING FROM INTERNAL MAIL WITH THE VIRUS. IT JUST KEEPS RESENDING RANDOMLY FORM THE INFECTED COMPUTERS. IT ATTACHES RANDOM SUBJECTS IN THE SUBJECT FILE I HAVE RECEIVED POSSIBLE CONTAMINATED E-MAIL FROM THE FOLLOWING IN THE LAST24 IF YOU THINK YOU ARE INFECTED, OR YOU USE MICOSOFT OUTLOOK GO TO THE FOLLOWING FOR INFORMATION AND HELP DAVID KOLENDA http://www.symantec.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 23:28:17 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] an overpriced or overvalued card- To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I can probably answer the team card question. As a kid, I used to put my cards in team order and the team card was always on top...with a rubberband! Plus the Dodgers had some pretty good players back then. Damn, it makes me think of those floating head Cubs team cards :(... Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] an overpriced or overvalued card- Date: 4/24/02 11:55:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com hi- this is Linda- My husband won a card on last weeks local card shop bid board that got me thinking about the value of the card in Beckett- He won a 1960 topps # 18 --Dodgers Team card for 25 cents-The thing that alerted to me to check the value was the card was in a screw down holder and not a plastic card saver- i was shocked to find a value in Beckett listed as $25 to $50 for mint- reason i was shocked is that it is a low number team card and it has the same value as low # star cards of - # 10 Ernie Banks, # 28 Brooks Robinson , # 35 Whitey Ford and # 50 Al Kaline- i could understand the team card's value if the number of the card was like 507 or above- but why should a low number team card have the same value as a star card around the same number?? and a low # at that- linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (rly-yc02.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.34]) by air-yc01.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINYC13-0424235553; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:55:53 -0400 Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.86]) rly-yc02.mx.aol.com (v85.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYC210-0424235537; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:55:37 -0400 Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Apr 2002 03:54:24 -0000 X-Sender: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 25 Apr 2002 03:54:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 91730 invoked from network); 25 Apr 2002 03:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Apr 2002 03:54:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m09.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.164) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Apr 2002 03:54:23 -0000 Received: from Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com by imo-m09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.16c.cad5b88 (4324) for ; Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:54:20 -0400 Message-ID: <16c.cad5b88.29f8d7ec@aol.com> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 23:54:20 EDT Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] an overpriced or overvalued card- ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:13:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: cheap cards...moving sale?... From: "sassabeth" have some pretty okay cards and not bad prices... http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll? ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 05:23:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: here are some more good deals...58 Topps From: "sassabeth" with a few hours remaining...at $1.00 not bad...check out his others ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:18:39 EDT Subject: Error: Can't Find Website (?) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Anybody know what happened to the OBC website? Or, perhaps why I can't access it? Both "favorite" links I use for the home page and the directory result in the message above. I also tried going to the home page using two other browsers without success. Gee...and I just spent a half hour checking my system for that Klez virus (which I didn't have). ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 09:46:17 EDT Subject: A Week In The North Georgia Mountains To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! A "short" ramble about my vacation: Took off last Friday from Nawlins and headed to Huntsville, Alabama to pick up the grand folks. On Saturday morning we headed east and met up with Richard Hankins, his lovely wife Lisa, and little Will at a Cracker Barrel north of Atlanta for a late lunch. Richard was kind enough to go out of his way on a Saturday afternoon to deliver a few tickets to the upcoming Tuesday night Braves game at Turner Field. One interesting note here was the lesson I got from two year old Will on the fine art of eating banana pudding. Dessert was served and Will dove in, literally, to a rather large helping of this southern staple. I highly recommend the whole hand scoop and shove method of banana pudding eatin' as the ultimate goal of an empty bowl seems to arrive much quicker. The only draw back to this method is the amount of product that does not make it to the mouth, and ultimately the tongue, for enjoyment. Maybe we need to come up with some type of recycle effort to capture escaped banana pudding from two year old clothes, hair, face, arms, hands, the surrounding table and anybody sitting nearby. I don't quite recollect, but I think the sweet young waitress escaped unscathed. My kids are now a little older, but I remember quite well the loads of laundry required to support a blossoming two year old. Richard, thanks for sharing your time and family with us for a short while. Then off we drove north another 40 miles or so north to our ultimate destination, a condo-type dwelling on the Coosawatte river. Beautiful, scenic, remote, and all those other adjectives don't do this part of Georgia justice. The weather was perfect and it was pure pleasure relaxing and watching the river "run through it". On Sunday afternoon I cooked up some brisket and sausage that we had imported from the Salt Lick BBQ in Driftwood, Texas. Anyone that is anyone in Austin makes the trek 35 miles or so out in the sticks to feast on the culinary delights of this landmark restaurant. Thank goodness for the internet and "Brown". Monday brought a short road trip to Blue Ridge, Georgia and a ride on the scenic railroad north to the Tennessee state line and back. This three or four hour excursion rambled along another lazy river which provided ample evidence of intelligent life existing before us modern day city dwellers. I personally think the Trail of Tears was a big mistake. We lazed around the house on Tuesday in preparation for a trip 90 miles or so south to Turner field to catch the Tuesday night game between my Braves and the Diamondbacks. Curt Schilling pitched another gem against Braves rookie Jung Bong who was making his major league debut. Chipper Jones misplayed a bases loaded, two out, "single" in the first inning and the game was basically over at that point. Three runs down at the outset is not a good thing against Schilling. I still say Chipper should have caught the ball and he should have been charged with an error, but what do I know. The kid pitched well after the first inning mess even though he took the loss, much promise for the future. I tried to hook up with Mac Wubben at the game. I had called him an hour or so before game time and made arrangements to meet he and Josie at our seats just before kickoff. What I did not know was that our seats were located on the business level, and you had to be a ticket bearer to be allowed into the section. There was also more than one entrance to this level, so I was out of ideas on how to hook up with Mac, so another opportunity was missed. My apologies Mac and Josie, we'll keep trying. A side note: this was my first trip to Atlanta post-Fulton County Stadium, and it was much fun to see the old infield and warning track in brick out in the middle of the new stadium's parking lot. My seven year old just could not quite grasp the reasoning behind the "yellow brick road" that had been left behind from the old stadium, but did understand clearly the piece of fence left behind marking the infamous 715. Not sure of the book value today, but I think I spent enough at the Braves Clubhouse Store to purchase a near complete 52 Topps set. But we all now have new Braves hats, t-shirts, posters, pony tail holders, spoons, forks, beanie babies, and the kitchen sink. Priceless! We arrived back at our digs about midnight, hit the rack, and had wonderful baseball dreams. Wednesday brought a picnic in another beautiful and remote park near where we were staying. Hiking the trails, playing in and around the river, and tossing the ball around with my son and my Dad. I was in heaven. I did not want this day to end, but alas, they always do. On Thursday my wife was ready to head home, so we drove the entire 550 miles back to the Big Easy and our journey was complete. I think that if I were a wealthy man, I would head up into those north Georgia hills and just never come out again (except for an occasional Braves game). Thanks to all of you that read this far into this rambling. I highly recommend north Georgia for your next vacation getaway. God Bless America! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 10:03:52 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Error: Can't Find Website (?) To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I was having trouble with my wantlist on Thursday and I know that Wayne D. and Steve R. were working on it Thursday night. I was able to access it yesterday (Friday) morning, but I reported to Steve that there were still some problems. It was soon after that when I believe everyone found that they could not access anything. I don't know exactly what happened, but I suspect it has something to do with maintenance and repair. We will probably hear ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 11:03:05 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Where is the OBC Website? Dan's Theory... From: Dan Austin It appears that the "oldbaseball.com" domain name has expired. It appears the DNS database was updated at 11:23 Friday and the account was overdue, so the domain is no longer working. You can probably still reach the site by its numerical IP address if you remember what that is. Unfortunately, I don't. Wayne has been alerted to the problem and will be working the issue, but I'd expect at least a few days of downtime while the issue gets Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:02:33 EDT Subject: Just in case you might be interested To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Derek Lowe has a no-hitter through seven innings against the Rays. Sox are now batting in bottom of 7th. ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 15:35:50 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: How to reach the OBC website (while the domain problem From: Dan Austin I was able to dig up the IP address for the site, so if you want to access the OBC site until the domain gets reinstated, point your browser to: http://207.201.165.245/ Happy surfing! Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: Subject: OBC Domain Name Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 16:48:31 -0500 From: "Rex Stahlman" I don't know what we pay for the "oldbaseball.com" domain name, but we can get it for about $9.00 a year at godaddy.com. I hope this helps!! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Domain Name Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 17:57:43 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Are you saying that it is currently available to anyone who has $9? I hope we don't lose it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex Stahlman To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Domain Name I don't know what we pay for the "oldbaseball.com" domain name, but we can get it for about $9.00 a year at godaddy.com. I hope this helps!! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2002 18:36:48 EDT Subject: VO2 preparartions To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com With V02 a short 3 weeks away, I need to nail down the reservations for the different events. I know you have sent them to me once, but I need to firm them up, as some things have changed with a few members. So, could you let me know: When you are arriving Where you are staying How many for ribs How many for golf Do you need rental clubs How many for baseball game Also, I think Rick would like to know how many for the wedding. Rest Well, ================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:07:39 EDT Subject: baseball game To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Forwarded Message: Subj: baseball in heaven Date: 4/25/02 4:44:14 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: semirbach@hotmail.com (Ellen Mirbach) To: abranigan@bboard.com, sewwhat101@aol.com, bcworthy@aol.com, caribare22@hotmail.com, seallock@voicenet.com, dlick13@hotmail.com, dsutton@shrsys.hslc.org, graysor@aol.com, MaNPaHertz@aol.com, jayco69@comcast.net, jfblarney@aol.com, giovina39@aol.com, kport67@hotmail.com, jklsharp@aol.com, kwm99@aol.com, mar97m@aol.com, jsegal1@aol.com, rkarschner@aol.com, sinittany@msn.com Two ninety year old men, Moe and Sam, have been friends all their lives. It seems that Sam is dying, so Moe comes to visit him. "Sam," says Moe, "You know how we have both loved baseball all our lives. Sam, you have do me one favor. When you go, somehow you've got to tell me if there's baseball in heaven." Sam looks up at Moe from his deathbed and says, "Moe, been my friend many years. This favor I'll do for you." And with that, Sam passes on. It is midnight a couple nights later. Moe is sound asleep when a distant voice calls out to him, "Moe.... Moe...." "Who is it?" says Moe sitting up suddenly. "Who is "Moe, it's Sam." "Come on. You're not Sam. Sam died." "I'm telling you," insists the voice. "It's me, Sam!" "Sam? Is that you? Where are you?" "I'm in heaven," says Sam, "and I've got to tellyou, I've got some good news and some bad news." "Tell me the good news first," says Moe. "The good news," says Sam "is that there is baseball "Really?" says Moe, "That's wonderful! What's the bad news?" "You're pitching Tuesday!" ================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 03:57:41 EDT Subject: Getting ready for us!!!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com By ANGIE WAGNER .c The Associated Press LAUGHLIN, Nev. (April 27) - Rival motorcycle gangs armed with guns and knives clashed on a crowded casino floor early Saturday, leaving three dead and at least 12 wounded as terrified gamblers ducked for cover. The shooting, the worst ever inside a Nevada casino, occurred during a weekend gathering of motorcycle groups, including the Mongols and Hells Denise Massey, 48, was gambling with her fiance on the first floor of Harrah's when she noticed 20 to 30 bikers suddenly converge. ''Next thing you know you just hear 'Bam, bam, bam,''' she said. ''All of a sudden they're running and just shooting at each other.'' Police said the violence erupted when a Mongol member walked into a group of Hells Angels. Sixty to 70 people, armed with guns and knives, were involved in the violence inside the entrance to Harrah's casino, authorities said. All three of the dead were bikers, police said. One person was arrested and police had recovered several guns. About 200 people were being interviewed, said Lt. Vince Cannito, of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, which patrols the Colorado River gambling resort 80 miles southeast of Las Authorities also warned of the danger for further violence. ''The rumors of retaliation have already hit the street,'' said Larry Tunforss, spokesman for the fire department in Bullhead City, Ariz., which is across the river from Laughlin. ''Our police department is beefing up intensely. There's a definite concern of further incidents.'' SWAT teams and law enforcement officers from across Arizona and Nevada were called in. The shooting occurred during the 20th annual River Run, a motorcycle gathering which attracted up to 80,000 people into Laughlin. The resort town of about 8,000 residents has nine casinos and attracts about 5 million visitors a year. Authorities locked down the city after the violence erupted shortly after 2 a.m., temporarily closing bridges over the Colorado River. The routes were reopened later in the morning. Nevada state archivist Guy Rocha said it was the worst shooting ever inside a Nevada casino. ''In every case that's been described to me there was no more than one death. This is a threshold,'' he said. Aniko Kegyulics was sitting at a casino bar with her boyfriend when she heard yelling and gunfire. ''There were so many gunshots everything turned gray. Everybody fell to the floor. It was crazy,'' she said. She passed a body covered with a bloody sheet when police allowed people inside to leave at about 8 a.m., she said. Chris Welton, 42, of Carson City, had been playing poker. ''Shots just started going off,'' he said. ''There were dead bodies. Pretty nasty. There was a guy about 10 feet from me. He was dead. His buddy was trying to revive him.'' John Davidson, 39, ducked beneath a blackjack table. ''There were shell casings landing right by us,'' he said. ''I had to pull the dealer down. She was screaming.'' University Medical Center in Las Vegas was treating five patients, three of whom were in serious condition with gunshot and stab wounds, nursing supervisor Louise Burns said. Of the other two, one was in critical condition with a skull fracture and the other was in fair condition with gunshot and stab wounds. Western Arizona Regional Medical Center in Bullhead City treated seven fight victims. Four were in fair condition and three had been released. Authorities were also investigating the death of a biker whose body was found along Interstate 40, a main route between Laughlin and Southern California. The man's body was found near Ludlow, a small California desert town about 60 miles from the Arizona border. Preliminary reports indicate the man, from San Diego, had been shot while riding his bike and was a member of a motorcycle club, San Bernardino County Sheriff's spokesman Chip Patterson said. It was not immediately known if the death was related to the casino shooting. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Just in case you might be interested Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 07:26:37 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm a season ticket holder for the weekend games and was planning on going to the game. Instead we drove down to conneticut to visit Chris' family who are out from Seattle. AHHHHHHH! -----Original Message----- From: friar4@aol.com [mailto:friar4@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 3:03 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Just in case you might be interested Derek Lowe has a no-hitter through seven innings against the Rays. Sox are now batting in bottom of 7th. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 15:39:16 EDT Subject: SP To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I just picked up a lot of 1965 Topps. Can anybody refer me to a site listing the SPs? ================= Date: Sun, 28 Apr 2002 21:13:04 EDT Subject: aol tech problems To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Are any other AOL users having connection problems? I haven't been able to get a sustained good connection last longer than 5 minutes in over a week. I keep getting booted off and it's driving me nuts. Is AOL experiencing the same poor service problems that plagued them a few years ago, or is it just ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1962 Green Tints Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 02:25:19 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" From what I remember, Grant & Peter have finished a Green tint set. Ken needs just 3 Babe Ruth cards to finish his. Who else is working on these? Also, I am looking at the SCD. It shows several variations of individual cards. For example, Walls w/ plain & pinstriped jersey, Hoeft (blue sky & green sky, Kunkel (pitching & portrait). Is there a green tint version of each of these (meaning four cards for each player) ? Or does the variation listed count as the "green tint" version. I'm working on my list tonight. I still need lots. Any help is appreciated. Green tints are found in from card 110-196. Even if you don't thinkthe card you have is a green tint, it might be, so I'm interested. :-) And I can always use trade bait to swap with people with no interest in green Thanks for reading. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 07:05:33 EDT Subject: Seller Recommendation To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC, Just finished a deal with this fellow and I highly recommend him. This blossomed out of a recent EBay purchase and I must say Dick turned out to be very fair in his grading and pricing and was flexibile in his dealings all around. He's a nice guy also, and that's always a plus in my book. I just purchased a large amount of 66 and 67 stars/high numbers from him. He is a seller, not a dealer as I understand it. Give him a shout if interested. Dick Buse Tell him Matt sent ya! "Matt: Glad the cards arrived safely. Yes, indeed, tell others. I have several thousands of lesser grade, less expensive Topps cards from 65 through 71. What you have is a pretty good cross-section of my cards, a few EX, many VG, and lots of G and below. Have them e-mail me with their want lists. I appreciate it!! Have a great summer, Matt. Drop a line now and then and tell me whats happening in "Big Easy". Dick. " ================= Subject: Chance to load up on those 74 high numbers! Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:53:20 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1825200291 No comment on this one, other than noting the dealer has a 1700+ rating and still put the cards as high numbers. Oy! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Subject: 49 Bowman Reese #36 for $30 (or less) Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 08:58:27 -0400 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1825186485 Buy it now is at $30, no bid yet. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 10:24:27 EDT Subject: New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! To: OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Hot news. Our web site, still completely intact but with the www.oldbaseball.org domain name expired, will be transferring to the new domain name of www.oldbaseballcards.org as early as tomorrow. You'll need to update your bookmarks or shortcuts if you use them. The entire web site should be completely restored, nothing should be missing but for the next week or so there may be a couple of "bugs" to be shaken out (i.e. changing the alias email contacts for webmaster and treasurer, changing the destination of some of the input forms, etc.) Bear with us and we'll have this thing back up and running very soon. Thanks for your patience! Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Grand Delta, Phi Kappa Sigma International Fraternity "To do what ought to be done, but would not be done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty." (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= To: Subject: ebay outage? Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:47:16 -0500 From: "tim newcomb" Anybody know what's up with ebay this morning? You think maybe they forgot to renew their domain name too? ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 11:39:29 -0500 To: tim newcomb Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay outage? From: "Dr. John V Harrell" Just think of the outage as saving you money :-). tim newcomb wrote: > Anybody know what's up with ebay this morning? You think maybe they > forgot to renew their domain name too? > ;) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:19:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! From: "david_skoglund_mn" --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., WMDpks@a... wrote: > Hot news. Our web site, still completely intact but with the > www.oldbaseball.org domain name expired, will be transferring to > the new domain name of www.oldbaseballcards.org as early as I'm a little confused by this sudden change. Were we forced to choose a new domain name because we didn't renew it, or was this planned? Does anyone know who owns "www.oldbasball.com" now? While I like the new domain name better than the old one, I'm worried that the new tennants (if there are any) will set up some sort of tacky online store and cause confusion. Remember that the old domain name was listed on a bunch of sites as a good info resource. All that "publicity" now potentially belongs to someone not affiliated with this group. p.s. Like I said, I think I like the new domain name better. It has "cards" in the address, and it is ".org" instead of ".com", thus it reflects the true nature of this group better. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 20:50:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball glove From: "david_skoglund_mn" My church is having an online auction. The items are available to members for set sale until a certain date. After that everything goes on to eBay. Anyway, so far there's only one baseball item up there. I know next to nothing about vintage baseball equiptment, so I don't know if this is of interest to anyone or not (or even if the price is good): "1930s Wright Ditson Baseball Mitt" $100 I can provide a URL to the scan if anyone is interested. Also, I'd be willing to pick it up if anyone is interested in buying it. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 23:04:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Displaying collection From: "mikesportsfan" A few years ago, I displayed part of my collection at a local historical museum. It was pretty neat. Small museum, but had about a dozen showcases full of stuff for 3 months. Various private individuals and stores had a showcase each and the BB HOF had a traveling exhibit with 2 showcases on the first floor of the museum, by the front door. The HOF had to pull it's stuff for another exhibit after a month, and I was asked to fill 1 of their 2 showcases with my stuff. Whereas, the stores, were displaying their superstar cards from the 50s, (which was the common theme with many of the showcases) I id mine in eclectic BB stuff. I did a bunch of oddball issues, such as Topps inserts, pennats, photos, food issues, Post, Riceland Rice, Milk Bone Dog Biscuits, Hostess, Milk Duds, Coke Caps, a Japanese BB League card, etc. It was grat. The museum had me come out and explain things to visitors on a few occassions. The reason for this memory, since this was at least 5 years ago, is that today, I was asked by a local post office (while mailing out 4 BB card packages - but none were to OBCers) to fill a case in their lobby later this summer. Has anyone else done this? The museum had insurance and everything was covered with a contract and inventoried. Even thuogh I had nothing of great worth, I was covered. I do not know about the post office. Nothing was said. I am planning on putting a note about OBC into the case for people who would like to learn more about the hobby. Looking for comments and suggestions. If I find out that there is insurance, etc., I will let the group know, as I think it might be nice if people in other ciities could display parts of their collections and publicize OBC in the process. For those in SE Michigan, it is the Birmingham post office for the month of August, that I expect to have the display. For those coming for the OBC Tiger get together, you get a preview! Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: Virus Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 18:36:40 -0700 From: "yaz" In the past week my Norton's antivirus has picked up 10 or 12 virus infected emails containing the W32.klez.gen virus. I have also received about that many emails supposedly coming from OBC members but a closer inspection has them coming from various unknown addresses. The virus sends out emails to addresses in the infected computer's address book with random So, everyone needs to check their computer for the virus because it appears to be generating from our group. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:43:46 -0400 (EDT) To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Virus From: Neal Thomas I too have had a problem with this one. I used a web-based email program, so nothing gets on my computer, and I ran the newest Norton on my home and work computer with nothing to show. The strange thing about this is that there has been mail sent to names and addresses that aren't even in my address book, like Dan's old (6 months ago) address. I am not computer savvy at all, but for the life of me, I can't figure this one out, and niether can the IT support people at POL.NET, where my email originates from? ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "yaz" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Virus Date: 04/29/2002 06:36pm In the past week my Norton's antivirus has picked up 10 or 12 infected emails containing the W32.klez.gen virus. I have also about that many emails supposedly coming from OBC members but a inspection has them coming from various unknown addresses. The virus out emails to addresses in the infected computer's address book with So, everyone needs to check their computer for the virus because appears to be generating from our group. Greg (yaz) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: virus removal tool Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 19:14:51 -0700 From: "yaz" Here is a link to the removal tool for this virus. I hope this link works for you. I got it through my Norton program so it may lock out non http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html Greg (yaz) ================= To: "0ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus removal tool Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:32:18 -0500 From: "Rick & Deb" OBC Friends...get this... One of the infected e-mails I received had this for the subject: "W32.klez virus removal tool" Be careful...this virus is a nasty one. By the way, Greg's link is good. Thanx...Rick Svetecz ----- Original Message ----- From: "yaz" To: Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:14 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus removal tool > All, > Here is a link to the removal tool for this virus. I hope this link > works for you. I got it through my Norton program so it may lock out non > subscribers. > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html > Greg (yaz) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: One more virus message Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:51:19 -0700 From: "yaz" I'm going to bug you guys one more time. I checked out the properties of some of the emails I received from supposedly OBC members and sometimes find addresses from people other then OBCers. If you know these three addresses you may be or close to the source. Two of these appearred more than once. Greg (yaz) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2002 22:07:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus removal tool From: Rick Keating I received an e-mail advising me to 'click here' for a W32.klez virus removal program, and to ignore any warnings my normal virus scan software program gave about the suggested removal program. I decided to trust my McAfee program and ignore the gracious offer of a free program. - Rick On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 21:32:18 -0500 "Rick & Deb" > OBC Friends...get this... > One of the infected e-mails I received had this for the subject: > "W32.klez virus removal tool" > Be careful...this virus is a nasty one. > By the way, Greg's link is good. > Thanx...Rick Svetecz > OBC-OK! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "yaz" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 9:14 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus removal tool > > All, > > > > Here is a link to the removal tool for this virus. I hope this > link > > works for you. I got it through my Norton program so it may lock > out non > > subscribers. > > > > http://www.sarc.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.klez.removal.tool.html > > > > > > Greg (yaz) > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:58:58 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! To: WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com How did this happen and who got our old domain name? ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1981 prices Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:23:51 -0700 From: "jcollins12" Hi all, I recently obtained from ebay a copy of the 2nd issue of the SCD publication "Baseball Cards Magazine", from the fall of 1981. I just had to share some of these sale prices from the ads with you. If only we could go back to these days! Kit Young's ad: EX condition or better: 1952 Bowman Mantle: $145.00 1954 Bowman Mantle: $62.00 1953 Topps Berra: $23.00 1955 Topps Williams: $23.00 1955 Topps Clemente: $90.00 1962 Topps Maris: $7.50 1969 Topps Mantle: $13.00 What is disturbing is that people probably thought that these prices were outlandishly high back in 1981. If only they could have seen 20 years into the future. There is also an ad from another dealer that advertises the 1968 Ryan/Koosman card in NM or better condition for a whopping $7.45. Going by that price, you could have bought almost 100 Ryan rookies then for the price that 1 in that condition goes for today. One of the most expensive things I can find in the whole magazine is an ad from Card Collectors Co. (Rich Gelman) for a complete set of '33 Goudeys (minus the Lajoie) that was "90% EX or better." His asking price was $4,000. I don't want to even guess at what something like that would be priced at today. I was 4 years old in 1981. I don't know what my parents were investing in then, but if I could find a time machine, I sure as heck know what I would go back and do !! Hope you've enjoyed this trip down price guide-nostalgia lane, ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:36:30 -0400 To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! From: WMDpks@aol.com Hi, Rick. My best guess is that the registration, in Jim Montgomery's name, expired and the domain name was removed (although the web site itself is still there). It's very difficult to track down Montgomery these days, and when we had a similar problem last year involving changing ISP's he wasn't really much help. At this time neither the oldbaseball.com or oldbaseball.org names are "available", most likely due to a grace period extended for the owners of the expired names. What I did was acquire the new name "www.oldbaseballcards.org" which is more accurate for our group - we're more specific than just "oldbaseball", and we're not a commerce site selling stuff. People have suggested we try to track down Jim Montgomery, or locate what company he used to register the name with, but that's just not feasible and the web site would be down for however long it takes us to find him. I registered the domain name with the same ISP we've got our space with (NTT Verio) so if anything goes wrong with anything involving our web site we've got only one place to go for the solutions. New domain name should be up either today or tomorrow. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:23:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sportsfest - OBC friendly dealer From: "david_skoglund_mn" If anyone is going to Sportsfest in Chicago this year, this should interest you. If not, consider this a brief commercial interuption. I just got a note from Kurt Tourdot (OBC friendly dealer and all around nice guy) saying he'll be at Sportsfest in Chicago. The dates are June 13 through 16th. Booth # 608 As mentioned by several people in the recent dealer discussion, Kurt always has a nice big tub of Tipton beauties at good prices. The real bonus is that if you mention you're an OBC member the prices get even There are a bunch of us here who can vouch for Kurt. I know he ends up with the majority of my card budget. We now return you to your regular programming. ================= To: WMDpks@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:36:19 +0000 From: dfallen@attbi.com I really appreciate everyone's efforts to deal with this mess. I have no complaints about how it is being handled, but wanted to point out a problem only alluded to once: Pages that are linked to www.oldbaseball.com. I did a search with AltaVista and found 250 such links. It's a darn shame to lose all those contacts. Is it feasible to at least email these pages and let them know the link has changed? -Dave Fallen > Hi, Rick. My best guess is that the registration, in Jim Montgomery's name, > expired and the domain name was removed (although the web site itself is still > there). It's very difficult to track down Montgomery these days, and when we had > a similar problem last year involving changing ISP's he wasn't really much help. > At this time neither the oldbaseball.com or oldbaseball.org names are > "available", most likely due to a grace period extended for the owners of the > expired names. > What I did was acquire the new name "www.oldbaseballcards.org" which is more > accurate for our group - we're more specific than just "oldbaseball", and we're > not a commerce site selling stuff. People have suggested we try to track down > Jim Montgomery, or locate what company he used to register the name with, but > that's just not feasible and the web site would be down for however long it > takes us to find him. I registered the domain name with the same ISP we've got > our space with (NTT Verio) so if anything goes wrong with anything involving our > web site we've got only one place to go for the solutions. New domain name > should be up either today or tomorrow. > Best, > WMD > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: www.oldbaseball.com Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:11:34 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have just renewed our registration to to use www.oldbaseball.com. Cost was $35 for one year. Site should be back up in a couple of days. I'm going to provide more detail on the renewal process than 95% of you care about. This way there should be no problems with figuring out how to do it next time. Here's how I did it -- 1) Went to Verio (our hosting service). Checked their support section. Looked at topic "Domain Name Services". Read about the "Whois" database which allows you to see where a domain is registered. 2) Typed "whois" into google and came up with this site: http://www.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois 3) Typed "oldbaseball.com" and learned that the REGISTRAR is currently 4) Went to their web site, found a number to speak to someone. They walked me through the re-registration process. Site should be back up in 1 to 3 days. There doesn't seem to be any person in OBC who is accountable for this. Therefore, I'm sending the message out to all 130 of you so that everyone can be aware of what might need to be done in the future. I couldn't get through to Wayne Delia before deciding to re-renew. However, it seems to me that even if we do want to move to oldbaseballcards.org, then renewing the current name should allow us to transition in an orderly fashion. We can transfer the REGISTRATION of oldbaseball.com from Network Solutions to Verio (so that we only have to deal with one company) at a later date for a small fee. I regret the inconvenience everyone is going through getting to the site (inside and outside of OBC). Hopefully we now know enough to prevent further problems. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] www.oldbaseball.com Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 21:39:09 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Nice work, Steve! I think, though, that Wayne has a point concerning our web name. "Oldbaseballcards" is probably more apt, therefore I offer this solution. Let's move towards using www.oldbaseballcards.org as our main site and set up www.oldbaseball.com to redirect traffic to the new site. Over the course of the next year, perhaps a volunteer (or group of) could set about contacting those sites who offer a link to ours, informing them of the Now, I know absolutely nothing about setting up websites, but on the face of it, this seems like something which might be relatively easy to do. Or is it.......? Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: 30 April 2002 21:12 To: OBC-Announcements-owner@yahoogroups.com; Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] www.oldbaseball.com I have just renewed our registration to to use www.oldbaseball.com. Cost was $35 for one year. Site should be back up in a couple of days. I'm going to provide more detail on the renewal process than 95% of you care about. This way there should be no problems with figuring out how to do it next time. Here's how I did it -- 1) Went to Verio (our hosting service). Checked their support section. Looked at topic "Domain Name Services". Read about the "Whois" database which allows you to see where a domain is registered. 2) Typed "whois" into google and came up with this site: http://www.internic.net/cgi-bin/whois 3) Typed "oldbaseball.com" and learned that the REGISTRAR is currently 4) Went to their web site, found a number to speak to someone. They walked me through the re-registration process. Site should be back up in 1 to 3 days. There doesn't seem to be any person in OBC who is accountable for this. Therefore, I'm sending the message out to all 130 of you so that everyone can be aware of what might need to be done in the future. I couldn't get through to Wayne Delia before deciding to re-renew. However, it seems to me that even if we do want to move to oldbaseballcards.org, then renewing the current name should allow us to transition in an orderly fashion. We can transfer the REGISTRATION of oldbaseball.com from Network Solutions to Verio (so that we only have to deal with one company) at a later date for a small fee. I regret the inconvenience everyone is going through getting to the site (inside and outside of OBC). Hopefully we now know enough to prevent further problems. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 16:56:52 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] www.oldbaseball.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Announcements-owner@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com tnx steve. seems pretty straight forward. i hope all will agree that the treasury should reimburse you. gm ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:30:47 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Phantom messages From: john harrell I think I've seen some ramblings about this. Lately I've been getting some huge emails (100k or more) from OBCers but when I open them there's nothing there. Is this related to the virus warnings going around? ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: price guide help Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 18:39:45 -0400 From: "John Collins" Can anyone out there with one of the big SCD (or other) all-inclusive priceguides tell me what a: 1909 E92 Dockman & Sons Christy Mathewson is supposed to be worth? I am currently looking at one on ebay that is in about G condition. As if my current interest in cards from the '50s and '60s weren't enough, I believe I have a bug that is about to bite me for pre-war and early tobacco cards. On that note, if any of you out there who collect T cards and other such pre-war items have any advice about starting a collection of such items (I assure you that condition REALLY does not matter for me on these types of cards if I persue this...) then I would appreciate hearing from you. Take care, John C. Collins ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 20:25:02 EDT Subject: Fwd: Mayo's Cut Plug Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com From: "Marshall Moore" To: Subject: Mayo's Cut Plug Cards Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 15:24:40 -0400 I have a friend who has several baseball cards from this co. he is an older gentleman and is trying to get good value in their sale. I saw 4 of them today including Nichols p. Boston and McCarthy, Boston; Ewing, Cleveland and Anson, Chicago. I am told anson was a hall of Famer. In any case, I would appreciate any info you might provide on their history, value and possible venues for their most productive sale. You are the first and only individual/site I have mailed re: this matter and will await your reply with anticipation. If you do not care to respond in detail, just let me know and Iwill write to someone else. thanks so much and --marshall moore ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 19:43:29 -0400 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 3 new sets added to the "virtual collections" page! From: Dan Austin I have added 3 new sets to the site, courtesy of Wayne's BB card images CD! Check out http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/index.html for the new additions: 1910 PC796 Sepia Postcards 1941 Play Ball 1955 Topps Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Gus sighting Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 22:53:44 -0400 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Today I received some Tipton 1965 OPC baseball high numbers (#199 - 274). For the rest of us non Gus-ologists (like me), he is card #248 in this set. I have one in my album so I was surprised to see that I received this one in the mail. I turned it over and it metamorphosed into #271 Don Wert of the Tigers! I turned it back and the front is Gus and the back is a totally separate card. I think it might be a rare specimen. I am going tosubmit an application to the Gus museum and find out if they'd like to include this in their permanent collection. ================= Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 23:27:34 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! To: WMDpks@aol.com, TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com ok folks, here is the link that shows ownership of the domain oldbaseball.com: http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRINGoldbaseball.com&SearchTypedo According to this, the name is active until April 12, 2003. Can anyone who has some knowledge of domain ownership check into this? I'd be willing to put up some cash to keep the domain as a mirror site. Original Message Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!! Date: 4/30/02 11:42:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: WMDpks@aol.com To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Hi, Rick. My best guess is that the registration, in Jim Montgomery's name, expired and the domain name was removed (although the web site itself is still there). It's very difficult to track down Montgomery these days, and when we had a similar problem last year involving changing ISP's he wasn't really much help. At this time neither the oldbaseball.com or oldbaseball.org names are "available", most likely due to a grace period extended for the owners of the expired names. What I did was acquire the new name "www.oldbaseballcards.org" which is more accurate for our group - we're more specific than just "oldbaseball", and we're not a commerce site selling stuff. People have suggested we try to track down Jim Montgomery, or locate what company he used to register the name with, but that's just not feasible and the web site would be down for however long it takes us to find him. I registered the domain name with the same ISP we've got our space with (NTT Verio) so if anything goes wrong with anything involving our web site we've got only one place to go for the solutions. New domain name should be up either today or tomorrow. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (rly-ye02.mail.aol.com [172.18.151.199]) by air-ye03.mail.aol.com (v84.16) with ESMTP id MAILINYE31-0430114248; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:42:48 -0400 Received: from n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.91]) rly-ye02.mx.aol.com (v86.6) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYE27-0430114214; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:42:14 -0400 Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Apr 2002 15:39:26 -0000 X-Sender: WMDpks@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_3_1); 30 Apr 2002 15:39:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 92702 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2002 15:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Apr 2002 15:39:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2002 15:39:24 -0000 Received: from WMDpks@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.12c.10b769d9 (16109); Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.com (mow-d08.webmail.aol.com [205.188.138.72]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v84.14) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-0430113903; Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:39:03 -0400 To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <42816401.0DA3E457.000510AE@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 From: WMDpks@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 11:36:30 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Web Site Domain Name coming soon!!!
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