================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: obc condition stars Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:13:45 -0500 From: "John Collins" Here is a lot of otherwise extremely expensive 53 and 54 Bowman stars and a54 Topps Robinson that somebody trimmed down to the size of 51 Bowmans. This lot should definitely go to an OBCer. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1809116857 John C. Collins ================= Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 19:32:11 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Virtual Collection #2 -- 1961 Golden Press From: Dan Austin The second set is hot off the presses: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/61gp/61gp.html I've also done a little redesign and am now organizing the collections through a central page at: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/ Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: Subject: Re: Flag felts Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:10:39 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Not sure when they were issued but I have a couple of them ...................... they make up the back to a little pillow with a Ty Cobb felt on thefront. I've always wondered if some mother or grandmother thought she wasdoing her kid a favor and surprised him one day!??!?! Message: 8 Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:58:06 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Subject: early "card" mystery Any of you old time card collectors know what these are? They are neat and cheap but no idea of the set, or value. thanks for any help http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/61707212 Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:25:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VEGAS 02 To: alcattle@hotmail.com, dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, Topgolf@aol.com From: Wite3@aol.com No respect...you can have Christy...I loved her dearly but her misguided sense of self and her universal view that she should be taken care of instead of working for a living killed our relationship...Ken, if you want her number let me know (assuming that you don't already have it :-) I figured I would bring a guy friend this year since I have brought a different girl ever year for the last three years... ps where have all the nice, down to earth, fun-loving girls gone? Sheesh... ================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:23:32 EST Subject: Tipton Mantle Alert To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Any 1961 collectors? eBay item 1809256558 (Ends Mar-03-02 18:50:39 PST ) - 1961 Mickey Mantle Topps #300 BBC ================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:54:26 EST Subject: Vegas 02 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Our in office travel agent found us a terrific deal on air fares and 4 nights at Bally's,so Judy and I are now locked for Vegas 02. Keep me in the loop on what the itinerary is. We'll be arriving Thursday early evening and leave mid-day Monday. - Doug ================= To: Subject: See you in three weeks... Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 18:58:44 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- I'm taking off for Little Rock for about three weeks or so. I'll catch up on emails when I get back, so if you write I will get back to you eventually. Don't forget to root for those Fighting Illini in the NCAA Tourney! Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:08:55 EST Subject: subscribe info To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: txpoobah@aol.com can someone forward a directory to me... need to set up my new email info on the subscriber ================= Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:32:56 EST Subject: Whole lot of Shakey's going on!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- For any who laughed at me for collecting "worthless reprint" Shakey's pizza cards- -- Please check this out-- ebay # 1807880802---Wow!!! A whole lot of Shakey's goin' on!!!! ---- and Yes, those Shakey''s Pizza reprint cards are on my website as among my most wanted ================= Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 11:38:52 EST Subject: 1961 Fleer - lil' help To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com I'm thinking of collecting just the "identifiable Indians" from this set - can anyone look at the following cards and tell me if they are wearing vintage Tribe garb? 105 Farrell 120 Lajoie 138 Sewell ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Fleer - lil' help Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:28:21 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" #105 is Rick Ferrell (not Farrell) in St. Louis uniform - he never played for Cleveland. #120 Lajoie is in civilian clothes. #138 Sewell is in Cleveland uniform, but it is a head shot with only the cap with the "C" visible. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 8:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Fleer - lil' help > I'm thinking of collecting just the "identifiable Indians" from this set - > can anyone look at the following cards and tell me if they are wearing > vintage Tribe garb? > 105 Farrell > 120 Lajoie > 138 Sewell > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 2 new sets added.... Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:00:10 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" In celebration of tonight's Tigers victory over Cleveland, I'm adding 2 new sets to my want list, namely the 1970 and 1971 Fleer World Series sets. I came across a bunch of these that I'd neglected to put in a binder. Here's a list of what I still need (Years rather than card numbers): 1970: 1905 1906 1907 1908 1909 1911 1912 1916 1918 1919 1922 1923 1925 1926 1927 1928 1929 1930 1934 1935 1936 1937 1939 1940 1941 1942 1943 1944 1945 1946 1947 1950 1951 1952 1954 1956 1960 1961 1964 1966 1968 1971: I HAVE - 1906 1910 1911 1936 1951 1952 1959 1960 1961 1964 I think these cards are a lot of fun, and I'd really like to add a few to my Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:24:41 EST Subject: Ellison Wedding To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Rick and Margaret's Wedding Las Vegas 2002 Personal Invitation All, - I have been on detail for the last four months and I am finally home and we are working on our wedding plans. You are all invited to share this special day with us! Mike has already announced our plans to marry when the group is in Vegas. But, we wanted to send all of the OBC our personal invitation to join us at the wedding. The date is Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 12:15 PM at the Flamingo hotel wedding chapel. Please allow plenty of time to walk through the gardens to get to the After the wedding you are invited to a cocktail party at the Frontier hotel in the penthouse. Both hotels start with a "F" and is easy to get them confused. Flamingo for the wedding and the Frontier for the cocktail party. We also worked up a group contract for rooms at the Frontier hotel, great Regular rooms are 39.00 Sunday-Thursday and 49.00 Friday and Saturday. The Mini suites are 49.00 Sunday - Thursday and 59.00 Friday and Saturday. Triples and quads are a little more. The group is under Kramer/Ellison Wedding and you will be able to book into the space starting this week, until April 24th. Book early to get your rooms at this special rate! The phone number for the Frontier is 800-634-6966! Any questions, please feel free to call Margaret at 510-797-9220. We hope to see as many of you as possible!!!! Love Rick and Margaret PS Margaret decided she didn't want to get married at the baseball game. Oh ================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 04:20:46 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Ellison Wedding From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 03:24:41 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ellison Wedding Rick and Margaret's Wedding Las Vegas 2002 Personal Invitation All, - I have been on detail for the last four months and I am finally home and we are working on our wedding plans. You are all invited to share this special day with us! Mike has already announced our plans to marry when the group is in Vegas. But, we wanted to send all of the OBC our personal invitation to join us at the wedding. The date is Sunday, May 19, 2002, at 12:15 PM at the Flamingo hotel wedding chapel. Please allow plenty of time to walk through the gardens to get to the After the wedding you are invited to a cocktail party at the Frontier hotel in the penthouse. Both hotels start with a "F" and is easy to get them confused. Flamingo for the wedding and the Frontier for the cocktail party. We also worked up a group contract for rooms at the Frontier hotel, great Regular rooms are 39.00 Sunday-Thursday and 49.00 Friday and Saturday. The Mini suites are 49.00 Sunday - Thursday and 59.00 Friday and Saturday. Triples and quads are a little more. The group is under Kramer/Ellison Wedding and you will be able to book into the space starting this week, until April 24th. Book early to get your rooms at this special rate! The phone number for the Frontier is 800-634-6966! Any questions, please feel free to call Margaret at 510-797-9220. We hope to see as many of you as possible!!!! Love Rick and Margaret PS Margaret decided she didn't want to get married at the baseball game. Oh ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Some help? Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:26:54 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" A friend of mine on the Tigers Mailing List has asked for some help in tracking down a picture of an old-timer. The player's name is Allen Howard "Red" Conkwright, and he pitched for the Tigers in 1920, his only year in the majors. First question is does any kind of card exist for this guy? Secondly, if so, does anyone in OBC have that card? And lastly, could you send me a scan of it? Thanks for any help you can pass on! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 19:53:42 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: "new look" for Dan's Virtual Collection + set #3 added From: Dan Austin I have redesigned the page somewhat, adding a new Javascript-based version of each page. LMK what you think. I have also added a third set - the 5 card 1978 Topps/Zest set. http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/index.html Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:20:07 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: web question From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...can anyone help me find a place to register my website with search engines? I know there are several ways to do it for free. One of you guys gave me that info a LONG time ago, but I don't remember. My Callison pages used to come up first on the list with some of the search engines before I changed my web address. I appreciate any assistance. Thanx...Rick Svetecz (..please excuse the unrelated subject) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Anyone else for Cigarette Cards? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:52:58 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" After another successful raid on the local Cigarette Card shop, I have a few to offer on the Waiver Wire (condition is generally poor/fair): Sports related: Wills Cricketers 1928: 5 of a series of 50 Wills Cricketers 1929(?): 17 of a series of 50 Player's Cricketers 1934 : 1 card Player's Cricketers 1938 : 4 cards Wills Rugby Internationals 1930(?) : 2 cards, both of Irish players Churchman Rugby Internationals 1936 : 1 card Churchman Men of the Moment in Sport : 1 card - a tennis player named Patterson, who is a dead ringer for Richard Nixon Wills The Reign of H M King George V : 1 card - The King at Twickenham (Meeting the English Rugby Team) Wills Our King and Queen : 1 card - King George VI playing golf In addition to these, I've got a number of cards from 2 Wills sets entitled Speed. These depict automobiles, planes, trains, and boats of the time. I would date the older of the 2 series from the late '20s, and I have 14 of the 50 cards. The second set looks to be from the late 1930's. There are 17 of the 50 cards here. I'd prefer to give these starter sets complete, rather than break them up among a number of people. If there is some interest in these, we might just have a little contest on our hands. I'll think of something! If anyone is actively collecting any of these, and would like more detail on card numbers, etc. let me know. Otherwise, have at 'em, ye scurvy dogs! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Potential OBC'er Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:20:13 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" I've made a few trade with this Richard Kimball. He seems like a good trader and potential OBC material. He is trying to make some trades with OBC'ers to support his application, but hasn't had much luck. If anyone wants to help him out, send him an email. His email address: kimballrw@juno.com His wantlist: 1955 bowman #184 mays-242 banks-246 bauer-302 malzone 1955 topps #124 koufax rc 1967 topps 1968 topps 1969 topps 1970 topps 1970 topps super 1971 topps 1972 topps 235- 250-25 9- 1973 topps 1974 topps 1975 topps 1975 topps mini 1978 topps also collecting t-206,1977 cloth,1980 topps,redmans, kelloggs,1969 deckels. starting 1952, 1953, 1962 topps sets. thanks!! richard Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: Subject: T206 Lajoie (throwing) to trade Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 19:34:03 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Corners are well rounded ..... top right is fraid. Pic is good and back isvery clean. Looking for a T206 HOFer that I need. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:06:04 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pre-war Non-sport help? From: Neal Thomas Hi all- While looking through some bargain boxes at Ft Washington this weekend, I found some cigarette cards I couldn't pass on--a series of fish (yes, fish!). Now I need to identify them, and was looking for some help. A pic is below, but if it doens't come through (first day with the scanner), and you might know what they are, let me know. ================= To: obcmac@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:11:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBC'er From: Peter Iversen It isn't DR. Richard Kimball is it...?? Has he emailed you about looking for people with ONE ARM...? Perhaps he should be collecting Pete Gray cards too...?? (I will have a look at his list and see what I can come up with...) On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 17:20:13 -0500 "Mac Wubben" > I've made a few trade with this Richard Kimball. He seems like a > good > trader and potential OBC material. He is trying to make some trades > with > OBC'ers to support his application, but hasn't had much luck. If > anyone > wants to help him out, send him an email. > Thanks, > Mac > His email address: kimballrw@juno.com > His wantlist: > 1955 bowman > #184 mays-242 banks-246 bauer-302 malzone > 1955 topps > #124 koufax rc > 1967 topps > 599-600-601-602-603-604-605-607-609 > 1968 topps > 65-566-567-568-569-572-577-580-582-583-585-588-590-592-593-594-595-596 > 1969 topps > 190-196-197-198-199-203-205-210-211-219-220-221-222-225-226-227-228- > 1970 topps > 0-683-686-691-692-693-695-699-704-716 > 1970 topps super > #1-2-4-5-6-12-36-37-38-39-40 > 1971 topps > 40-742-745-747 > 1972 topps > #39-40-43-69-96-143-149-171-177-178-188-191-205-206-218-223-227-229- > 235- 250-25 9- > 7-589-591-594-595-597-598-599- > -754-761-762-781-783 > 1973 topps > #335-474-482-540-588-595-609 > 1974 topps > #44-49-66-263-334-414 > 1975 topps > #35-75-180-196-201-202-206-217-540 > 1975 topps mini > #7-47-87-194-223-244-260-280-392-439-461-463-510-593-621-628-631 > 1978 topps > #118-150-154-400-477-480-581-592-211t-traded > also collecting t-206,1977 cloth,1980 topps,redmans, kelloggs,1969 > deckels. starting 1952, 1953, 1962 topps sets. > thanks!! richard > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: nthomas@pol.net Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:22:54 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-war Non-sport help? From: Peter Iversen Hey Neal, The little British Cigarette Card book I got from Howard says the card is put out by the American Tobacco Company in 1909 - It (obviously) was called the FISH SERIES and has 100 cards in it. The book has the cards valued at L2.00 per and L200.00 for the set. I looked but I did not find if it had a "Sleeps With The Fish" sub set... Can you Imagine getting a 1909 Piedmont pack of cigarettes at an auction and opening it to find a Fish instead of a Wagner...! On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:06:04 -0500 (EST) Neal Thomas > Hi all- > While looking through some bargain boxes at Ft Washington this > weekend, I found some cigarette cards I couldn't pass on--a series > of > fish (yes, fish!). Now I need to identify them, and was looking for > some help. A pic is below, but if it doens't come through (first > day > with the scanner), and you might know what they are, let me know. > Thanks, > Neal > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:54:38 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-war Non-sport help? To: marcpeter@juno.com, nthomas@pol.net From: amcook93@aol.com The designation is T58 on the fish set. ================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:23:00 -0500 (EST) To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com (Glenn Codere), Subject: Allen Howard "RED" Conkwright /DOB=12-4-96 Sedalia, Mo-died 10-27-80TX From: keithsummers@webtv.net To: "OBC Ramblings" From: "Glenn Codere" Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:26:54 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Some help? A friend of mine on the Tigers Mailing List has asked for some help in tracking down a picture of an old-timer. The player's name is Allen Howard "Red" Conkwright, and he pitched for the Tigers in 1920, his only year in the majors. First question is does any kind of card exist for this guy? Secondly, if so, does anyone in OBC have that card? And lastly, could you send me a scan of it? Thanks for any help you can pass on! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-war Non-sport help? Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:11:58 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" All information from the American Tobacco Cards book by Forbes & Mitchell: This is the T58 - Fish Series. There were two series, 1-50 and 1-100. The series was issued in the spring and summer of 1910. The backs are Piedmont (blue ink), Sovereign (green ink) or Sweet Caporal (red ink). All fish are in a greenish water background that fades to white to the edge of the card. The name of the fish is in gray letters in one of the corners which varies Interestingly, the first series (1-50) has subjects identical to Allen & Ginter's 19th centruary set N8. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Thomas" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-war Non-sport help? > Hi all- > While looking through some bargain boxes at Ft Washington this > weekend, I found some cigarette cards I couldn't pass on--a series of > fish (yes, fish!). Now I need to identify them, and was looking for > some help. A pic is below, but if it doens't come through (first day > with the scanner), and you might know what they are, let me know. > Thanks, > Neal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 14:44:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] i need a life type question To: rayluurs From: Mark S Talbot Hi All, Since I too have embarked upon the 1000 card goal I thought it appropriate to comment on Ray's "not so recent" rambling. Here is the cop out of all cop outs Ray. You get to name the rules for your own collection. For example, my `67 Topps set is complete with the exception of some "weird" variations about a green bat and stat lines that I still haven't been able to figure out. None the less they are listed on my list. Somebody out there might have even seen these and could shed some light on them. Other variations that appear on my list include the `58 YT and YL variations, `59 and `60 back variation, and others. I choose to include the variations in my numbers, other's would not. That's the beauty of collecting - it's up to you. So Ray - live by your own rules. At least when it comes to the hobby. Thanks for listening all - BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * rayluurs wrote: > To you guys that under the 1000 goal for collecting and for general > question to be thrown around. I am just restarting so the 1000 mark > may be of how many cards i have of different players so I am no where > close to finishing anything i've started. > Question is how do you determine if your set is finished, especially > with te variation of certain cards. For example, the 1951 Topps set. > Is the set complete if you have the red backs(52 cards) or do you > need red and the blues(106) or better yet do you need team cards > which add another 9 or the Mack all stars and current allstars which > add another 22. I've talk to Brett and got his opinion now asking > other what they think. Same way with the 1958 Topps is it a complete > set if i have one of each card or do i need the variations of the (YL > & YT) cards to be considered a complete set. > Reason I am asking is two fold: > 1) I am a goal oriented person. so in my quested for Perfection in > life i set goals to make my life more challenging (as if getting up > to work and making a living isnt a challenge enough), but I stick to > it till its is done (day or the job) > 2) slightly relatd to #1 is I am a courier for work so my job like > most is related to the recession we are in and in my card collecting > right now i have less disposible income as i will have later on in > the year when business pick up. Kurt has a wonderful discount tub > with cards that i think are good cards for .50, 1.00, 1.50 but the > card i am working on are getting to the expensive end so I might have > to start working on other sets to keep my hand in it. I have > relucant to do it because while i am goal oriented i am slightly > myopic with my vision as i cant see trying to start other things > while not finish first goal because then all goals never look like > they will be finished. > So in order to reach my gal of collecting all Topps cards aare in > the infancy stage. I am interested in your opinion what is a > complete set so i can start looking into how many cards I will be > looking into and like i said in my title i have no life right now:-) > Now this is a rambling like most my letter i am quite sure while i > think they are same subject i am sure i went off in several diections > thanks for listening and looking forward to your responses > Ray > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 19:34:27 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] i need a life type question To: talbot1@comcast.net, LUURSCJG@aol.com From: amcook93@aol.com What's the 1967 "green bat" variation? ================= Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 00:42:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Smallworld fantasy baseball From: "jimbo777777" I've created a basic (the free one)smallworld (now affiliated with The Sporting News) fantasy baseball league. It's the usual salary cap league. If anyone would like to join, go to: http://www.sportingnews.com/ Then click on Fantasy Games, and look for the Basic Fantasy Baseball League link. It's the free one, not the "Ultimate", which has a fee to join. The league name is Careless Whisper (case sensitive). The password is bashbrother (one word, also case sensitive). ================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:07:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] i need a life type question To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, talbot1@comcast.net, LUURSCJG@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com paul schaal? ================= Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 18:08:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: TRADE PARTNERS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman I AM LOOKING FOR 1969 BASEBALL CARDS. I AM WILLING TO TRADE MY SINGLES FROM 66, 67, 68 AS WELL AS CARDS FROM 1970, 71, 72, 73, 75, 76, 78, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, & 86 JOHN STORMAN Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 21:02:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] i need a life type question To: AMCOOK93@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot It is card #58 with Paul Schall holding a green bat. I have yet to see one but I am told it is out there and that most dealers don't give two hoots about it so it should be cheap. But I can't find it - kind of like that Stanley card from the `80 Topps issue. Anybody ever seen this green bat card or the Stanley card? And what about the stat line cards - I can't figure out what I am looking for. Any answers out there? Come on George, Dave and some of you other experts out there - shed some light here. BE REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * AMCOOK93@aol.com wrote: > What's the 1967 "green bat" variation? > Andy ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 00:19:28 EST Subject: Yogi feature on 60 minutes II To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i was watching the tv show 60 minutes 2 tonight and they had a great feature on Yogi Berra- they said Yogi is quoted more often by people than Shakespere- also had Billy Crystal- the actor and big Yankees fan who produced the movie "61*" -- talking about Yogi-Crystal said Yogi was a consultant on the film and they showed Yogi present at the filming of the movie talking to Crystal-- i saw a great picture of Yogi and Babe Ruth i had never seen before- i wish i had videotaped the show- they interviewed Yogi a lot and gave him credit as one of the greatest baseball players- nice to see a great Yankee get his deserved media credit- -- Linda ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 02:47:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Allen Howard "RED" Conkwright To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Keith's post is nothing short of amazing. I work with Dan Conkright. Yes, the Dan listed below. I'll ask him if he knows anything about old "RED". Of course, the spelling of the name is different and we've called Dan lots of things, but Red is not even a possible nickname. > Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 08:23:00 -0500 (EST) > From: keithsummers@webtv.net > Subject: Allen Howard "RED" Conkwright /DOB=12-4-96 Sedalia, Mo-died 10-27-80TX > Glenn, > There are 40,000+ players listed in my Beckett Alphabetical Checklist > Book #10 but he isn't one of them. There is a Dan Conkright that was in > a minor lg set in 88 & that's the closest listing. Good luck :-) > PS 19.1 IP with a 6.98 ERA in 5 games for the 1920 Tigers. Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ================= To: Subject: Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:22:34 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Well Guys and Gal: I think the winter doldrums are ending, even though Puget Sound is getting snow today. (My wife had to return home this morning and not go to work dueto a jack-knifed semi on the Deception Pass Bridge, the only northward exit road leading from Whidbey Island). Why are the winter doldrums ending, you ask? Because a baseball topic worthy of mass discussion just landed on the front page of the Seattle newspaper..... As I sat down at the dining room table to crunch through my cinnamon-raisinbagel and cream cheese, the front page had this headline to greet my coffee-brightened "A 20-minute baseball game? Yes, say RealNetworks" Oh-oh..... The article states that RealNetworks, a Seattle based company that already offers a monthly service to users whereby they can listen to game broadcasts of most MLB games, for a monthly fee of $9.95, is going to be offering a premium service that will allow listeners to get a condensed version of the game, re-broadcast 90 minutes after the final pitch. MLB andRealNetworks say it will not only appeal to displaced fans who need to keep track of their teams, but - I am quoting here: "They also think it will be used by fans who simply don't have time to watch an entire game, which according to the league lasted an average of two hours and 54 minutes last year." I know many of you tape baseball games, then watch them later. Now you canhave someone else choose the parts you get to see, for a yet-unpublished fee (you know it's going to be more than $10 a month!) Baseball - reduced to sound bytes! Don't blame me -- I live out in the sticks and do not workfor a dot.com, but I sure am going to be reading all of your comments in this Ramblings section in the next few days.... The president of RealNetworks, Larry Jacobsen, said that while "he loves the pace of baseball" he admits "there is an appetite out there for baseball to be viewed on a more exciting pace." OK everybody, vote for either: A) Traditional Pace or B) More Exciting Pace. Tabulate your own results as it is my job to stir the OBC POT -- not analyze what is in the OBC soup.... Mike Diamanti ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:58:50 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" Call me a traditionalist, but I prefer the existing 2 - 3 hour format. I am young enough to understand that the traditional form does not necessarilyjive with the Ninetendo/PSX/Instant Gradification generation. However, how do you compress the 7th game of the 91 and 01 World Series? Something gets lost. Besides we already have a compressed game -- it's called Sportscenter / Fox Sports etc. Erik Greenwood -----Original Message----- From: Diamanti [mailto:diamanti@whidbey.net] Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:23 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup Well Guys and Gal: I think the winter doldrums are ending, even though Puget Sound is getting snow today. (My wife had to return home this morning and not go to work dueto a jack-knifed semi on the Deception Pass Bridge, the only northward exit road leading from Whidbey Island). Why are the winter doldrums ending, you ask? Because a baseball topic worthy of mass discussion just landed on the front page of the Seattle newspaper..... As I sat down at the dining room table to crunch through my cinnamon-raisinbagel and cream cheese, the front page had this headline to greet my coffee-brightened "A 20-minute baseball game? Yes, say RealNetworks" Oh-oh..... The article states that RealNetworks, a Seattle based company that already offers a monthly service to users whereby they can listen to game broadcasts of most MLB games, for a monthly fee of $9.95, is going to be offering a premium service that will allow listeners to get a condensed version of the game, re-broadcast 90 minutes after the final pitch. MLB andRealNetworks say it will not only appeal to displaced fans who need to keep track of their teams, but - I am quoting here: "They also think it will be used by fans who simply don't have time to watch an entire game, which according to the league lasted an average of two hours and 54 minutes last year." I know many of you tape baseball games, then watch them later. Now you canhave someone else choose the parts you get to see, for a yet-unpublished fee (you know it's going to be more than $10 a month!) Baseball - reduced to sound bytes! Don't blame me -- I live out in the sticks and do not workfor a dot.com, but I sure am going to be reading all of your comments in this Ramblings section in the next few days.... The president of RealNetworks, Larry Jacobsen, said that while "he loves the pace of baseball" he admits "there is an appetite out there for baseball to be viewed on a more exciting pace." OK everybody, vote for either: A) Traditional Pace or B) More Exciting Pace. Tabulate your own results as it is my job to stir the OBC POT -- not analyze what is in the OBC soup.... Mike Diamanti Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=09 =09 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:03:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yogi feature on 60 minutes II To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com one of my most prized possesions is my picture with yogi last year at cooperstown. He is truly underrated in the history of the game. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: eBay item 1811170038 (Ends Mar-17-02 125010 PST ) - 1887 Allen & Ginter BB Set Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:20:14 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This is pretty cool! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1811170038 ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:46:27 EST Subject: Neil Holbrook To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Remember Neil Holbrook, the former OBC guy from Australia? Well I'm going to be in australia the first part of April and I'd love to look him up if he lives anywhere near where I'm going to be. Does anyone have his address or his email address or both? Thanks. - Doug ================= Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 20:47:24 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden On 3/7/02 12:22 PM, Diamanti said: >The president of RealNetworks, Larry Jacobsen, said that while "he loves >the pace of baseball" he admits "there is an appetite out there for >baseball to be viewed on a more exciting pace." OK everybody, vote for >A) Traditional Pace or B) More Exciting Pace. A. Note to Larry: BASEBALL IS NOT A SITCOM. I recall when the Mariners tried this a few years back, where the day after a game, they would show every pitch of the previous night's game back-to-back, which made the show length about 30 minutes. You know what? Baseball is about the flow of a game, about the building of tension. True, some, even many, games don't drive your heart rate above 100, but the sheer power of the last three innings of a close game is that much more exciting because you realize that the end is slowly approaching. Doing this to a baseball game would be like turning a 30 minute show into a commercial break; are you ever on the edge of your seat for one of those? OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:54:52 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup To: diamanti@whidbey.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com You know Mike, they tried something like that here with the Mets on Sportschannel. I forgot what they called it, something like Mets Fast Forward. The game was condensed into about an hour shown around 11:00. I really like to watch a ballgame, but when the Mets had an afternoon game or one that I couldn't watch live, it was pretty neat to see the game before going to bed. It didn't make it, but having the option was a decent idea. Then again, I wouldn't pay for it! (Hmmm pay more and see less- makes sense to me). ================= Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:46:29 EST Subject: Re: GREEN BATS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com In a message dated 3/7/2002 2:24:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > It is card #58 with Paul Schall holding a green > bat. I have yet to see one but I am told it is out > there and that most dealers don't give two hoots > about it so it should be cheap. But I can't find it > - kind of like that Stanley card from the `80 Topps > issue. Anybody ever seen this green bat card or the > Stanley card? > And what about the stat line cards - I can't > figure out what I am looking for. Any answers out > there? Come on George, Dave and some of you other > experts out there - shed some light here. BE > WELL!!! i haven't seen the 67 schall and i believe the 80 stanley is not a green bat error but a yellow lettering error-- can't find it in my guides though but i'm 95% certain about the stanley. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 16:39:14 EST Subject: specialized availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have 3 availables- one is a 1960 topps hi # 548 Don Mincher- isn't he somebody's HOM ?? Does he need this card of Mincher?? 1971-72 topps basketball (these are long odd size cards) # 90- Nate Thurmond Red Heart dog food Ted Kluszewski ================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:10:23 EST Subject: auction sniper To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com A short while ago, someone emailed a message about auction sniper. Does anyone know if it works, or if it is safe to give away your ebay password and ID, or what it costs? ================= Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:58:04 EST Subject: going, going, gone! To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com howdy folks: i will be out of town for a while, returning next saturday. i sent out 25 thank you packages this week as payback to everyone who sent me cards since Feb 20. so, all you folks who were kind enough to send me something in the past 3 weeks, payback is on the way! see you all next weekend. i think there is a big show in chicago, and hope to be able to catch a few hours of it. if anyone else is going, please LMK. tnx, gary mandell ================= To: Subject: OBC Committee Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:17 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" If someone would be kind enough to re-send me the names of those on the Committee, I will make changes for the next Directory. Thanks, Grant ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Info on Red Conkwright Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 10:28:56 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Thanks to all concerned for the info I asked for last week on an old Tigers player by the name of Red Conkwright. Everything you provided has been duly passed onto the person who asked! ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 08:41:17 EST Subject: Re: Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup To: obc-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com So when do you get the chance to go get a hot dog and a beer? I vote traditional. ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 09:09:47 EST Subject: Re: Digest Number 307 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/9/02 1:33:00 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Message: 2 Subject: RE: Condensed Can O' Baseball Soup>> I'm voting for the traditional pace. The length of the average baseball game isn't that much longer than any of the other major sports. The pace of the game is a lot slower, but that might be an advantage - especially if you need to go to the fridge for another drink. <> I haven't verified the e-mail (it's probably the one he used when he originally joined, so if he changed it while he was with the group, I didn't update it in my copy of the directory) Neil Holbrook P.O. Box 864 Nairne, S. Australia, Australia 5252 12/22/50 (088)388-0257 (neilh@adam.com.au) Topps from 1957, Kelloggs 3d Super Stars, Nolan Ryan. <> My feeling is that the Stanley is some kind of proof card. This may also be the case with the green bat Schall... my guess is it was printed on the same sheet as the 67 Roger Maris Yankees card (Levi Bleam had one at the Ft. Washington show last weekend for only about $1100 if anyone's interested <> I used an auction sniper once a long time ago - it worked fine. I did not continue to use it though. I think it only allowed three free snipes and then you had to join some 'service' for a small fee (like $10/year). I was kinda leery about entering my password and ID to a third party (even though it said these were not stored locally) I changed my password after using the program just to be safe. The other drawback to using it is I could inadvertantly outbid someone else in the group at the last minute. Since some of the stuff I bid on is for my dupes box, it wouldn't make much sense to steal cards I don't need from someone who does need them. ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:24:05 EST Subject: From Alaska to Louisville he came To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: washalou@aol.com Hello OBC, I must tell you about a great visit from OBCer Tom Williams. Tom was actually in Dayton, OH for a week doing continuing education work and sought me out before his arrival. He drove to Louisville (2 1/2 hour trip) last Saturday for a visit. I'd only met one other OBCer in person: Mike Czape from Jeffersonville, IN (who is a really nice man). Meeting Tom reaffirmed what I'd learned from meeting Mike (and from reading all your stories) - that we are like long lost brothers when we meet each other. I, and my two boys, had a wonderful time taking Tom to the great Louisville flea market (or "flea store" as my 4 year-old says) and then to the Louisville Slugger plant and museum. Within a very short time after his arrival, I felt as if I had know Tom for a long Tom is a super guy - funny, intelligent, generous, a caring family man, and a great guy to take to the flea market. He got along very well with my 6 and 4 year old boys (Jordan and William, respectively) and they took to him right away. William wanted to hold his hand as we walked through the flea market and Jordan climbed up in his lap, in our kitchen, before Tom left. Before we left for the flea market, Tom and I went to my basement and engaged in a fun, spirited trading session which mostly consisted of me forcing him to take a bunch of junk off my hands. I showed him my "treasures" (good stuff) and was delighted to have someone really appreciate them. My wife just sort of smiles and says, "That's great, Greg." She tries, but it's just not the same. The flea market wasn't a major help to our card collections, but I did manage to whittle my '70 needs from 4 to 2. Tom got a pretty good handful of '70s and '74s (if I remember correctly). Our trip to the bat factory was a more inspiring. The museum puts on a good show and gives a good tour. When we got back to the house, I made Tom one of my famous fruitshakes before drove back. My wife took some digital photos of us before Tom left and maybe he will share them with us. You'll get a good look at the "kid" in front of his castle (I made Tom stand downhill because he towered over me on level In all I was so happy to have met Tom. Please, if anyone is ever coming through the Louisville, KY area, give me a call or email. I'd love to meet more of us in person. Greg Kuhn ================= Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 20:30:33 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking for your thoughts. From: "airal6" Hello everyone, Al Crotte here. I am still a relatively new member here but I feel I have a bit of the pulse of OBC. Since I do not want to step on toes, nor do say something perceived unsavory to the OBC-vets, I wanted to hear what some of you thought about a formal proposal I was considering making to the OBC powers that be. To wit: Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists. I thought that maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." Therefore, in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007 we can start posting 1982 cards, etc. The "25" number is an arbitrary selection of mine. Certainly it could be a different number at issue, for example, 20 years or 30 years. I bring this up now to begin discourse on the subject. Certainly this infers that UV cards will eventually be considered "old" by OBC (yikes!), but wouldn't that fact be true anyway? Just some thoughts of mine, any thought out there? Thanks for ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:44:26 EST Subject: condensed games To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com My view of condensed games is that part of the reason games are so long is to allow more TV advertising between innings - hockey is the same way, with 9 TV breaks in the middle of the game. At the Olympics, no extra breaks and you better be ready to start on time or they will drop the puck without you ! Seems like a much better option for NHL hockey & would work for baseball too. In the meanwhile, there is always the VCR. Or you could let Marshall tell you how great his Tivo system is :). ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 18:29:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com I've been looking for my thoughts too. Has anyone seen them? There are other hobbies involving collections of old stuff - like old cars. There's a similar definition (I don't know the exact cutoffs) but I seem to remember "classic" cars are defined as 20 years old and "antique" cars are 25 years old, regardless of the calendar year. Anyway, I'd have to be in favor of that idea for a few reasons, probably both are bad analogies. First, I began collecting cards in the summer of my childhood, 1968. If I tried to collect only cards more than 20 years old, they'd all have to be pre-war and too expensive for an eleven-year-old kid. Then, after I discovered girls and cars and stereos, went away to school, and started working in Lexington, KY, I began collecting cards seriously in early 1981. Beginning that year, I've got a ton of duplicates and about ten or twelve complete sets per year which I'd love to trade or give away but they're a little too young for this group. Over the past few years, there is just too much crap out there, but there are very recent sets which are just begging for our attention. Personally, I love the "retro" sets coming out lately, especially Fleer Tradition and Topps/Bowman Heritage, because they're cards of current players in the style and text of the old cards we collect, they're available today, and the Topps gum actually tastes pretty good (thanks, Ken M!) But the UV-coated, zircon-encrusted, precious-metal refractors are a little too much for me to take and there are some sets which actually make me sick to look at; also, some insert sets are just so rare it's not a realistic goal to attempt to complete the set. But the song remains the same - we collect what interests us the most. "Now the only answer that I have found, above the sky or below the ground is that there are no answers. There never were any answers. There will never be any answers. And as Gertrude Stein once said, 'That's the answer.' " (Paul Kantner, Jefferson Starship) ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 19:54:47 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey guys, When this group started some 10 years ago, I guess that 1981 was a good cutoff year, as that was the time that Donruss and Fleer made their way into the card scene and thus started the overproducing of cards (known as the "black era" of baseball cards ). That was as good a cutoff as any, and it was only 10-12 years earlier than OBC. I actually was thinking of the same analogy as Wayne did with the cars (god that scared me!). I really don't do much with the newer stuff, although the Topps archive select peaked my interest, as they were the old cards redone. Personally, I would not be opposed to adding 1980 and 1981 to what is considered old. Maybe we can put up a "classics" server-- cards 20 years old, back to 1980. Each year, another set is added to that. My other thought is that it should be ok to thank someone for cards, regardless of the year. The same thought and generosity goes into those packages as do the vintage stuff. Just this old-timers ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:25:31 EST Subject: Re: Looking for your thoughts To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/9/02 5:15:19 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << To wit: Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists. I thought that maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." Therefore, in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007 we can start posting 1982 cards, etc. The "25" number is an arbitrary selection of mine. Certainly it could be a different number at issue, for example, 20 years or 30 years. I bring this up now to begin discourse on the subject. >> I think the date is set more to define a turning point in the hobby, rather than a certain amount of years. There was basically only one card producing company until Fleer and Donruss broke onto the scene in 1981. Now while these are sets I collected along the same lines as some of the first sets I ever collected as a kid (I started in 1977, which is probably later than quite a few people in the group), I will never really consider them to be equal to the Topps sets of the same era... and even some of the early 80's Topps sets aren't real high on my list of favs. Worse yet, eventually as time went by, all the overproduced GARBAGE (to remain PC about it) from the early 90's would eventually be included in our realm of discussion. For some reason I can never picture myself getting all geeked up about getting a 1992 Donruss card in the mail with the same fervor as a 1967 high number... but that's just me. The way I see it, those cards that 'become old' will still just be UV cards with some history behind them. I'm sure if I put out a wantlist for 1990 Score, I'd have 6 complete sets by the end of the month. I don't believe that this would actually be a good thing - now owning six more complete sets that everyone else was sick of looking at and/or broke up to use as packing material. Also, consider the way I collect the UV sets on my list now (yes, I'll admit there's plenty of UV stuff on my list). These sets are still all in boxes - certainly not in a binder and pages. If you visited my house, I'm not going to proudly show my 1982 Fleer set to you - big whoop. My guess is you'd be more interested in something I took a few years to finish and searched for card by card ...not somethnig I picked up at a garage sale for $5 (and got ripped off for that price). There's PLENTY of trading groups out there for post 1980 cards. There's even a UV server in our own group - one that I can see getting a larger following as the years pass, but NOT one that would eventually include EVERYONE reading this note (is anyone still reading this note, BTW?) Sure the Heritage sets and Archives sets are really cool looking, but do I think they deserve the same treatment as my 1975 mini set? Frankly, no - produced scarcity, serially numbered rookie cards and other recent tactics thought up by card companies only reflect a different mindset of today's 'collector' - not one that I had as a kid and not one that I feel should ever be present in this group. I can't imagine sending someone a card and getting berated because it has 60/40 centering and a slightly dinged corner - because it's SOO much worse that the rest of the set. And another thing: I don't have a clue sometimes when people are talking about new cards. Like Greg mentioned on the Thanks server recently regarding his wife's reaction to his collection - I just nod and smile "Gee, that's nice." One of the reasons I don't buy a price guide is that everything that interests me fits on the first two pages, while the stuff I could care less about takes up the next 67 pages. I already retain enough useless information without having to add what amounts to 20-30 TIMES that. Anyway, before my cards get too much older, that's my take on the situation. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 23:28:58 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Test From: Originaleek@webtv.net We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:40:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: HeyAC@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I wasn't going to weigh in on this issue because I get the feeling I have been getting into trouble in this group lately when I speak up. However, I just can't help myself. I have to agree with Ken (probably scary for Ken) and say there are plenty of other groups that people can join that collect or focus on cards beyond 1980. As one of the old-timers and close to one of the original members I would prefer we keep the group as is on this issue. However, I realize some may look at me and others as dinosaurs not willing to change and that couldn't be further from the truth. I can remember many changes over the years many of us "old-timers" fought for. The size of the group, the home page, the AC, and the guidelines to name just a few. Having said all of this, as always, I will abide by the decision of the AC if this presented to them. I am not about to leave OBC over the definition of old cards even though the definition will not change in my mind. Ken explained it much better than I can and I thank him for that. Another Baseball Quote: "I don't know if I am making a mistake, but I'm raising my kid as a Giants --------Toots Shor Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Help needed Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:02:55 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Hi everyone. I am working on many sets from the 80s but I have only been able to locate one trading group -- Kevin Marten's "Trading Bases" group. I keep hearing there are plenty of other groups but I am not able to findthem. Any help is appreciated. ps As I understand VCT and OCT take the same stance on post-80 as OBC. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:03:35 EST Subject: thoughts on newer cards-and Mantle and Mays Story 1980's sets To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- the latest topps set i collect is the 1967 - i like 50's vintage cards much better- i am not too interested in any topps or other sets from 1970 on unless it is some historical issue or a special set devoted to old timers or great 50's stars- 2 sets issued in the 80's i really like are the 1984 Galasso 90 card Willie Mays story and the 1982 Authentic Sports 72 card Mickey Mantle story- i like these sets because there are a lot of pics of Mantle and Mays not in a baseball uniform and also pics of them not found on any other card- like playing pool or family shots or riding a bycycle--these sets provide a variety in collecting for me separate from the Topps baseball player photos on 50's cards- another set that deserves honorable mention is the Home Plate sports set of Al Kaline- 30 years a Tiger- also a lot of non baseball pics in that set- As to 90's sets i like the sets that delve back to the game's very early years -1800's - my favorite set is of course the American Archives Origins of Baseball 100 card set put out in 1994 which covers the game and it's history and players up to 1899- i have purchased 4 of these sets on ebay in the last month and plan to break one up to send as filler cards with the cards from want lists of on line traders- i usually want to have 3 complete sets of later items i like then when i acquire a 4th set that is the one i break up to use as filler cards in mailings to on line traders- right now i have 3 of the Mantle 72 card 82 set and 2 of the Mays 90 card 84 set- when i get 4 sets of each of these expect these cards to start showing up in mailings to traders- i really like these Mantle and Mays 80's sets because they have photos of the players i have never seen before and i would like to share them with traders- linda ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:29:48 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com The original idea was not that it was 1980 was 10 years old and a good place as a cut-off but because starting in the '70s and blowing up in the '80s was the proliferation of cards, and card sets. The production numbers for the '80s sets were incredible. In fact, 1972 seems to be the start of overproduction. I remember buying packs of 1975 cards in 1981 because the discounters still had cases to sell. If you look at my orginal Phillies monster. There were three times as many cards from 1980-1989 as there were from 1880-1979. I say we keep it to the golden age of cards, pre-1980. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 06:09:44 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" We have been down this road before. The last time was a few short years ago, and we still feel the wounds it created to this day. It was a hot topic and like many issues in this world the minority got plenty of press. So much in fact, that 2 of the members of OBCAC did independent polls before AC did any voting. While if I looked deep enough I could probably find the results, THEY were almost 3 to 1 to keep things the way they were. That go around cost us some great members and brought out the worst of some. The end result by OBCAC was a 7 to 0 vote was to keep the cutoff year as 1980. The FAQ was changed so that new members would have a better understanding of this group. I HAVE INSERTED THAT AREA OF THE FAQ. What about other sports, non-sports cards and newer cards, UV as we call them? Some people collect these within the group. Some people even collect newer, "UV Infected" cards. That's fine too, but remember OBC is about old baseball cards. We are a group that collects old cards and wish to preserve the intent of the group as it was when it was formed. If you are looking for tips on how to become involved in UV collecting or you mainly collect newer cards you have come to the wrong place. The posting of wantlists for cards is limited to 1980 or older. Can I have a homepage that contains UV cards? Yes you can. They just are not what OBC is about. A link at the bottom of the home page or wantlist that you post in the directory or send to the wantlist server is ok. E-mail concerning UV cards should not be sent to the general membership of OBC. If one feels they have some information that UV collectors would be interested in, include it at the end of a message that is sent to the ramblings server and let people contact you directly. The e-mail sent to the wantlist server may only contain sets 1980 or older, and a reference to your UV homepage. No UV wantlists are to be sent to an OBC mail server. The application form to join OBC was redone to help assure that new applicants fully understood what this group was about. That change has worked fairly well. Rick, Ken, Josh and others have made the point. Carlos has set up a server for those who wish to pass on information about post 1980 cards. We all need to use it, if that is the subject being The intent of OBC is clear. It is a group of collectors who's first priority is older cards. Many of the members also collect newer cards. Most of these members understand the intent of OBC and feel the need to keep it what it is. OBC started to get a higher then normal amount of post 1980 slip ups in e-mail late last year. GENO sent out " a friendly reminder" to the server. We all need to try and adhere to it, and not say "this doesn't mean me". Let's not get into the situation we were in a few years ago. It was UGLY, real ugly. David K Also a closet post 80 collector Originally much thought was put into making the cutoff year 1980. Many wanted it to be 1973. ----- Original Message ----- From: "airal6" To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 2:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. > Hello everyone, Al Crotte here. I am still a relatively new member > here but I feel I have a bit of the pulse of OBC. Since I do not want > to step on toes, nor do say something perceived unsavory to the > OBC-vets, I wanted to hear what some of you thought about a formal > proposal I was considering making to the OBC powers that be. > To wit: Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is > inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as > the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists. I thought that > maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." Therefore, > in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007 we > can start posting 1982 cards, etc. The "25" number is an arbitrary > selection of mine. Certainly it could be a different number at issue, > for example, 20 years or 30 years. I bring this up now to begin > discourse on the subject. > Certainly this infers that UV cards will eventually be considered > "old" by OBC (yikes!), but wouldn't that fact be true anyway? Just > some thoughts of mine, any thought out there? Thanks for > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cut-off date! From: Originaleek@webtv.net For some strange reason I am not presently receiving e-mails from the yahoo groups. They are not bouncing and I get other e-mails? At any rate I went to the Groups site to read Saturday's e-mails and I was intrigued by the discussion on the 1980 cut-off date. The reason I joined OBC was the part about "Collecting the way it should be" and recapturing some of the "innocence of youth when collecting was a hobby". For me it is not the actual age of the card, but the feeling I get when I see a card that takes me back to a simpler, less commercialized time. I just don't get the same feeling about a 1981 Trammell that I get from a 1961 Chico Fernandenz even though Tram was a better SS. Those feelings won't change if it is decided to add 80's cards to the "Old Cards Lists". It will just remind this boomer that the only thing constant is change. I hope that what does not change too much however, are the stories and the memories. As a kid I loved to go set on Mr. Wood's front porch and listen to him talk about pre-war baseball, and he loved to talk about it. We both were enriched, as I am when I share my story and read and hear others today. Each card I send or receive has a story, some are just shorter then others. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:07:18 EST Subject: E220 National Caramel question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, prewartraders@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Greetings all, At a show yesterday, I picked up a handful of E220's. I've noticed that some of the backs face different directions (left or right) when turned over. Is this common for this issue? Does anyone have any other details? Happy Collecting! ================= To: Subject: Stat Line? Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:06:03 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" To Mark Talbot, Andy Cook, et al I was out of town this past week and am just catching up on email. Interested in the variations discussed: 1) I have yet to see a Stanley (or 1980 #547 Wathan) yellow letter variation. I've been looking for them for several years. I've never seen it on ebayin 3 years. 707 Sportscards -Levi Bleam - would have been the most likely candidate to have one but he is even more restrictive than OBC in not carrying any 1980 cards. Dick Gilkeson, variation guru, calls the 1980 Stanley "rare." I'm not sure he has seen one either. 2) I haven't heard of the 1967 #58 green bat variation - but wlll undoubtedly start looking for it. The card looks a little "green" to start with. 3) What was the question regarding "stat lines'? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:11:05 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Hi! All, I must ditto my thoughts as Dave so eloquently stated. The FAQ has made this very clear as to what all the todo has been about. This is an old issue which has been tossed around enough. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 10:31:27 EST Subject: EEK To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com In case you missed it, go back and read EEK's recent post. No matter how you feel about the current discussion, it's a great commentary. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 12:19:04 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Looking for your thoughts To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com I agree with Ken. I bought single wax packs from the local 7-11 up until 1979. Shortly after 1979 I started buying boxes of cards from Costco. My personal feeling on the matter is very simple. Prior to 1980 card collecting was more of a hobby, while in 1980 it became more of a buisness/investment. Thus, since I "now" collect cards as a hobby, I'd like to keep us focused on <1980. My $0.02, In a message dated 3/9/2002 8:26:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: Looking for your thoughts > Date:3/9/2002 8:26:24 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:cardclctor@aol.com > To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > In a message dated 3/9/02 5:15:19 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: > << To wit: Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is > inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as > the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists. I thought that > maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." Therefore, > in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007 we > can start posting 1982 cards, etc. The "25" number is an arbitrary > selection of mine. Certainly it could be a different number at issue, > for example, 20 years or 30 years. I bring this up now to begin > discourse on the subject. >> > I think the date is set more to define a turning point in the hobby, rather > than a certain amount of years. There was basically only one card producing > company until Fleer and Donruss broke onto the scene in 1981. Now while > these > are sets I collected along the same lines as some of the first sets I ever > collected as a kid (I started in 1977, which is probably later than quite a > few people in the group), I will never really consider them to be equal to > the Topps sets of the same era... and even some of the early 80's Topps > sets > aren't real high on my list of favs. Worse yet, eventually as time went by, > all the overproduced GARBAGE (to remain PC about it) from the early 90's > would eventually be included in our realm of discussion. For some reason I > can never picture myself getting all geeked up about getting a 1992 Donruss > card in the mail with the same fervor as a 1967 high number... but that's > just me. The way I see it, those cards that 'become old' will still just be > UV cards with some history behind them. I'm sure if I put out a wantlist > for > 1990 Score, I'd have 6 complete sets by the end of the month. I don't > believe > that this would actually be a good thing - now owning six more complete > sets > that everyone else was sick of looking at and/or broke up to use as packing > material. Also, consider the way I collect the UV sets on my list now (yes, > I'll admit there's plenty of UV stuff on my list). These sets are still all > in boxes - certainly not in a binder and pages. If you visited my house, > I'm > not going to proudly show my 1982 Fleer set to you - big whoop. My guess is > you'd be more interested in something I took a few years to finish and > searched for card by card ...not somethnig I picked up at a garage sale for > $5 (and got ripped off for that price). There's PLENTY of trading groups > out > there for post 1980 cards. There's even a UV server in our own group - one > that I can see getting a larger following as the years pass, but NOT one > that > would eventually include EVERYONE reading this note (is anyone still > reading > this note, BTW?) Sure the Heritage sets and Archives sets are really cool > looking, but do I think they deserve the same treatment as my 1975 mini > set? > Frankly, no - produced scarcity, serially numbered rookie cards and other > recent tactics thought up by card companies only reflect a different > mindset > of today's 'collector' - not one that I had as a kid and not one that I > feel > should ever be present in this group. I can't imagine sending someone a > card > and getting berated because it has 60/40 centering and a slightly dinged > corner - because it's SOO much worse that the rest of the set. And another > thing: I don't have a clue sometimes when people are talking about new > cards. > Like Greg mentioned on the Thanks server recently regarding his wife's > reaction to his collection - I just nod and smile "Gee, that's nice." One > of > the reasons I don't buy a price guide is that everything that interests me > fits on the first two pages, while the stuff I could care less about takes > up > the next 67 pages. I already retain enough useless information without > having > to add what amounts to 20-30 TIMES that. Anyway, before my cards get too > much > older, that's my take on the situation. Thanks for reading. TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 13:47:20 -0500 From: "galtemos" I think 1980 is a reasonable cutoff date. Prior to that date (approximately), cards were issued in the "old-fashioned" way........as inserts with bubble gum, or candy, or tobacco products. The were acquired one at a time, mostly by boys (although I suspect Linda might have been "one of the boys," in that sense), and were traded, flipped, glued into albums, held together in a pack with a rubber band and carried in the rear pocket of dungarees, and things like that. In fact, I did something at that time which was very clever. I took my favorite 1953 Topps cards and used pair of scissors to cut out the silhouettes of the players. I still have them...........a scan is attached, if you would like to see them. I think I did a nice job. If anyone would like the same improvement on your 1953 Topps cards, just send them to me, and I will do it for you. I think 1980 for baseball cards is like 1930 for American postage stamps. After 1980, dealers and manufacturers acquired too much influence, and used it to create endless varieties of unnecessary baseball cards. Certainly, this is America, with free enterprise, and they are free to manufacture and sell anything they like. But, personally, I have no interest in it. Several years ago, I canceled my subscription to SCD because I found that I had to wade through 250 pages of nonsense to find one page of interest to me. And I have stopped going to card shows, other than the very biggest, because they have very little which interests me. Beanie Babies are very nice, but I do not care to sift through them when I am looking for an old baseball card. So, if we are voting, I vote to keep the cutoff at 1980. > From: kwg0@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. > Date: Sunday, March 10, 2002 10:11 AM Hi! All, I must ditto my thoughts as Dave so eloquently stated. The FAQ has made very clear as to what all the todo has been about. This is an old issue which has been tossed around enough. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:10:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Stat Line? To: George Vrechek From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Okay All, I have been looking for (4) variations from the `67 Topps list and they are: 374A (incomplete stats on back), 402A (incomplete stat line), 427A (incomplete stats), 447A (incomplete stats on back) I can not for the life of me figure out what I am looking for. The Annual Beckett lists the variations but is not specific. I have like (5) Mel Queen cards (#374) in front of me that seem to be alike in every respect. I take one with me to shows and shops looking for another that has the "variation" that I am looking for - with no luck. So George ("Master of the Variations") - I need some help identifying just what it is that I am looking for. So if you or any one else has aa slightest idea of what I am talking about then please help. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * George Vrechek wrote: > To Mark Talbot, Andy Cook, et alI was out of town > this past week and am just catching up on email. > Interested in the variations discussed:1) I have > yet to see a Stanley (or 1980 #547 Wathan) yellow > letter variation. I've been looking for them for > several years. I've never seen it on ebay in 3 > years. 707 Sportscards -Levi Bleam - would have > been the most likely candidate to have one but he > is even more restrictive than OBC in not carrying > any 1980 cards. Dick Gilkeson, variation guru, > calls the 1980 Stanley "rare." I'm not sure he has > seen one either.2) I haven't heard of the 1967 #58 > green bat variation - but wlll undoubtedly start > looking for it. The card looks a little "green" to > start with.3) What was the question regarding > "stat lines'?George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:58:16 -0500 Subject: Looking for your thoughts - Is it really that offensive? To: cardclctor@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello All,

    I guess I must have come into the group just after "the ugliness" that Dave eluded to.  So far I don't think we have seen any of that in this discussion.  I believe that the FAQ and the application are clear, however Al -as can any "new" member - can certainly invite friendly discourse over the ramblings medium on a topic that may have already been discussed.  For me I tend to see "old baseball cards" as pre 1980 cards and this comes from simple observations.  When I became interested in the hobby again in the early `90's I would frequent some local card shows where dealers had either "old' cards or "new" cards.  There were definitely two philosophies in the room at the time and when asked "dealers" of "new" stuff would tell you that nobody "wanted" that "old" stuff.  And to see all the very young people who would hoard to these tables rip open UV packs and drool over an UD Griffey Rookie Card you might agree with them.  At most of the shows there were usually a few "Dealers" who had only a handful of guys hanging around pawing through "old cardboard" - they would tell you that although there was "less action" at their table it was consistent and regular and they were doing just fine.  The point is that even a decade ago it was easy to determine what was "old" and what was not.  The Henderson RC from the `80 Topps set was usually the card that would be in common at all the tables in the joint - clearly drawing a line for me as to where the split occurs "naturally".

    So I agree with many that 1980 is a good place to draw the "boundary".  There have been many good points made here over the past few days and I don't want to make waves here but I do agree with John who I think said it should be Okay to give gratitude for whatever cards are sent.  A Ripken RC to complete a `82 Topps set is a very gracious gift and in my opinion should be acknowledged - and if it comes from a member of OBC I would like you all to know of the generosity - not keep it to myself because it doesn't adhere to the definition of "old baseball cards".  Certainly some common sense should be observed - a full description of a Sketter Barnes card from an `87 Fleer set that is included as an afterthought to a package is unnecessary.  But thanking some one for a Clemens RC or some other "important" piece that either completes a set or has special meaning certainly deserves consideration.

    That takes me to a simple question about our group.  It is clear from the response to this ramble that many of us see OBC as a group that collects and cherishes the hobby "the way it should be."  But is it so wrong for a member to show appreciation for a card that "isn't old".  Is it really that offensive?  So my final question is:  Are you really offended by the sheer mention of a card that was not produced prior to 1980?  or -  Is it okay to thank members for their generosity regardless of the year a card was produced?  Just some "food for thought"!!!  I'd be interested in your ideas.  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

cardclctor@aol.com wrote:

 
In a message dated 3/9/02 5:15:19 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com

<< To wit:  Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is
inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as
the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists.  I thought
maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." 
in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007
can start posting 1982 cards, etc.  The "25" number is an
selection of mine.  Certainly it could be a different number at issue,
for example, 20 years or 30 years.  I bring this up now to
discourse on the subject. >>

I think the date is set more to define a turning point in the hobby,
than a certain amount of years. There was basically only one card
company until Fleer and Donruss broke onto the scene in 1981. Now while these
are sets I collected along the same lines as some of the first sets I ever
collected as a kid (I started in 1977, which is probably later than quite a
few people in the group), I will never really consider them to be equal to
the Topps sets of the same era... and even some of the early 80's Topps sets
aren't real high on my list of favs. Worse yet, eventually as time went by,
all the overproduced GARBAGE (to remain PC about it) from the early
would eventually be included in our realm of discussion. For some reason I
can never picture myself getting all geeked up about getting a 1992 Donruss
card in the mail with the same fervor as a 1967 high number... but that's
just me. The way I see it, those cards that 'become old' will still just be
UV cards with some history behind them. I'm sure if I put out a wantlist for
1990 Score, I'd have 6 complete sets by the end of the month. I don't believe
that this would actually be a good thing - now owning six more complete sets
that everyone else was sick of looking at and/or broke up to use as packing
material. Also, consider the way I collect the UV sets on my list now (yes,
I'll admit there's plenty of UV stuff on my list). These sets are still all
in boxes - certainly not in a binder and pages. If you visited my house, I'm
not going to proudly show my 1982 Fleer set to you - big whoop. My guess is
you'd be more interested in something I took a few years to finish
searched for card by card ...not somethnig I picked up at a garage sale for
$5 (and got ripped off for that price). There's PLENTY of trading groups out
there for post 1980 cards. There's even a UV server in our own group - one
that I can see getting a larger following as the years pass, but NOT one that
would eventually include EVERYONE reading this note (is anyone still reading
this note, BTW?) Sure the Heritage sets and Archives sets are really
looking, but do I think they deserve the same treatment as my 1975 mini set?
Frankly, no - produced scarcity, serially numbered rookie cards and other
recent tactics thought up by card companies only reflect a different
of today's 'collector' - not one that I had as a kid and not one that I feel
should ever be present in this group. I can't imagine sending someone a card
and getting berated because it has 60/40 centering and a slightly
corner - because it's SOO much worse that the rest of the set. And another
thing: I don't have a clue sometimes when people are talking about new cards.
Like Greg mentioned on the Thanks server recently regarding his
reaction to his collection - I just nod and smile "Gee, that's nice." One of
the reasons I don't buy a price guide is that everything that interests
fits on the first two pages, while the stuff I could care less about takes up
the next 67 pages. I already retain enough useless information without having
to add what amounts to 20-30 TIMES that. Anyway, before my cards get too much
older, that's my take on the situation. Thanks for reading. TAYL,

Ken M
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================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 17:26:09 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" For me old means 1974 and earlier. I can't say why, perhaps because in 1975, at age 13, I bought the complete set for $8 in March. The rest of the year, instead of buying cards at the candy store, I bought older cards by mailorder. By 1978, I stopped buying complete sets, just the older cards. I do know that in 1972, I got a 1965 Yaz and thought it was great to have in ancient classic card. I can't imagine any youngster (or adult) having the same feeling about a 1992 Barry Bonds. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:23:54 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: TPLY@aol.com, HeyAC@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Doesn't the SCD standard catalogue define vintage cards as 1980 and before? - Doug ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:28:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. To: TraderDoug@aol.com, TPLY@aol.com, HeyAC@aol.com, From: jdelott@aol.com What year did Topps start pre-selling the entire year? ================= To: "Mark S Talbot" Subject: Re: Stat Lines on 1967 variations Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:36:59 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" To Mark Talbot and others interested in variations I have the variations for 374, 427 and 447 in 1967 Topps The 374 variation relates to either a line or no line underneath the "Maj. Totals 3 yrs." All other cards seem to have underlined the last line, so the "no-line" variation would be the tougher one. The 427 variation is similar but the tougher card is missing the "Maj. Totals 9 yrs." and the line above it. Both of these are pretty noticeable if you run across them. The harder 447 variation is again missing some printing at the bottom of the stats. This time though it is most of the line as to 1966 San Diego and the related stats. The line is just above the total line. But darn it I didn't know about 402. It must suffer from the same problem. And I don't mean the problem we variation collectors have in continuing to look for obscure stuff. At least it keeps us collecting the sets we enjoy even after we think we've finished. George Vrechek ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark S Talbot To: George Vrechek Cc: Ramblings ; AMCOOK93@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2002 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Stat Line? Okay All, I have been looking for (4) variations from the `67 Topps list and they 374A (incomplete stats on back), 402A (incomplete stat line), 427A (incomplete stats), 447A (incomplete stats on back) I can not for the life of me figure out what I am looking for. The Annual Beckett lists the variations but is not specific. I have like (5) Mel Queen cards (#374) in front of me that seem to be alike in every respect.I take one with me to shows and shops looking for another that has the "variation" that I am looking for - with no luck. So George ("Master of the Variations") - I need some help identifying just what it is that I am looking for. So if you or any one else has aa slightest idea of what I am talking about then please help. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * George Vrechek wrote: To Mark Talbot, Andy Cook, et alI was out of town this past week and amjust catching up on email. Interested in the variations discussed:1) I have yet to see a Stanley (or 1980 #547 Wathan) yellow letter variation. I've been looking for them for several years. I've never seen it on ebay in 3 years. 707 Sportscards -Levi Bleam - would have been the most likely candidate to have one but he is even more restrictive than OBC in not carrying any 1980 cards. Dick Gilkeson, variation guru, calls the 1980 Stanley "rare." I'm not sure he has seen one either.2) I haven't heard of the 1967 #58 greenbat variation - but wlll undoubtedly start looking for it. The card looks a little "green" to start with.3) What was the question regarding "stat lines'?George ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:45:40 EST Subject: Well Done Gentlemen! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I must say, that this has been one of the best ramblings we've had in a long time. No disrespect, just good old fashioned discussion. I am in favor of keeping the "time-line" in tact, but I guess the answer is for some is to make use of the "UV" server. That would keep things separate as far as what OBC has been all about, yet keep people up on things they collect post 1980. Maybe Carlos can expand on what that server is all about and that would solve most of this discussion. I guess the problem is in letting the general membership know when someone is looking for some post 80s cards that many have sitting around collecting dust. Anyone else have any other suggestions to help resolve this issue? I still believe in thanking people for cards, regardless of what they are. To me, this is the OBC way. The same care is given to finding those cards as to any other card. True, finishing a 1985 set is not as exciting as a 1969, but for me it has always been about the journey. Maybe in the header we can put "mixed thanks" or "UV thanks" to show what the upcoming email is about... Just trying to come up with some solutions... ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: RE: Thoughts.... Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:12:32 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" (Note to reader: Sean is about to say the the well defined cutoff is the only way to keep the group the way it is. It isn't about what we should or shouldn't just that we want to be able to talk about vintage stuff here.) Actual text of letter: I think what we all need to focus on is that if we push the date up past there will be just too much stuff in want lists, on discussion boards, and the web page from 1980-up. It isn't that 1982 topps (Ripken rookie ) is "bad" set, or that the 2002 t-206 look-alikes aren't pretty cool, it is just that we don't want to have to dig for stuff about 1960 commons or 1962 green tint or if we should include 1951 topps in our "magic number". Most of us ended up here because we collect pre-1980 stuff. That doesn't mean we have to do exclusively. When I buy new topps cases twice a year, I get 4 whole cases! is 48 boxes to distribute to this group. So, obviously, lots of us like to open packs and put together the new topps set each year. This just isn't the place to about it. We don't need to fight over this, (because I would win because I'm bigger than most of you) but we just need to understand that this forum is the best to talk about vintage baseball cards. We have to have well defined guidelines, or the grey area would get too big and before we knew it, the vintage posts would be few and far between. Ok, shut up Sean. :) Hey, anone need a 1956 Monte Irvin? He was my last card, and I got 2! The Only one ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for your thoughts. Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:15:24 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" If you didn't look at the scan of George's work with those '53's, go back and check it out... it is magnificent work! Well done George. Did you use your mothers sewing shears? :) ================= Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 23:32:45 EST Subject: (no subject) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com <> Working with 6 and 7 year olds I can definitely say that they do get excited about it. The most popular give away cards in my boxes are the "cool bright yellow" '91 Fleer and the "very old" 1990 Topps. No kidding. The kids are fascinated by bright colors and things that are older than they are. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:07:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: City of Industry - Frank & Son show From: "rbhankins" Has anyone ever attended a show at the Frank & Son warehouse in City of Industry, California? Is it worth the time? Are there vintage card dealers there? ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] City of Industry - Frank & Son show Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 06:10:42 -0800 To: "rbhankins" , From: "Erik Greenwood" I live fairly close, by California standards, to the industrial park where the show is hosted; however, I have never attended. I went to a card shop near my home about a week and a half ago, and the show came up in discussion. The shop owner did not recommend the show. He said that is is mostly UV stuff, Beany Babies, Hot Wheels, etc. -----Original Message----- From: rbhankins [mailto:rhankins@mcguirewoods.com] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 5:08 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] City of Industry - Frank & Son show Has anyone ever attended a show at the Frank & Son warehouse in City of Industry, California? Is it worth the time? Are there vintage card dealers there? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 16:22:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looked at some cool sets From: "david_skoglund_mn" The weekend before last I had the opportunity to look though a few sets of cards that my wife's uncle collected. He has complete Topps sets from 1959 through 1965. Well, almost complete, he's missing the Pete Rose rookie from the '63 set. It was certainly cool to see all those high numbers I know I'll never find anytime soon. At least I know they exist. :) The disgusting thing is that most of the cards are near mint. He was one of those guys who was always upgrading his sets. When he pointed out a few of his "beater" cards I had to laugh because they maybe had a crease or a corner ding. I would then flip to a page and descibe what my copy of a particular card was like. His 1960 Willie Mays was near mint, mine is about 75% complete, because the top part of the card was burned away. Needless to say, he looked at me like I was a bit crazy. On the plus side, he said he has a box of "scuzzy" cards somewhere and promised to dig them up for me sometime. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:27:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Stat Line? To: talbot1@comcast.net, vrechek@worldnet.att.net From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Mark and other variation deviants: I also try and collect the variations. For the 4 Mark has listed in 1967: I am aware of and have 3 of the 4. They are described as follows: #374 Queen. At the end of the statistics, underneath the Major League totals is a line, which is the normal or "correct" version. The tough one is the line does NOT appear at all. #427 Gomez. At the end of all of the yearly stats is his Major League totals. Scarce variation is missing the totals line. #447 Belinsky. Scarce variation is missing the 1966 stats completely. Major League totals are the same, but no 1966 stats. Of course there are the other more well known 1967 variations of #26 (at least 3 different variations - team on back, Washington, San Francisco or blank), #45 Maris as Cardinal or Yankee front#86 McCormick team on back San Francisco or Washington. Naturally the checklists have variations. Most notably #191 listing #214 as either Tom Kelly or Dick Kelly. I would love any info on the #402 Mark listed. I have all of the above. I may be able to borrow a scanner if anyone needs to see these. Mike Rich ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Perl progamming skills needed Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:40:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Anyone in the group use Perl? ================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:34:38 EST Subject: Please help with identification of a player To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i need help with the identification of a Football player- His last name was Brewer or Bruer-He played with the Washington Redskins in the period from 1950 to 1955 - i don't know his first name- i would like to know his first name and the correct spelling of his last name- i know his nickname was "Junior" --He was my husband's mothers cousin and my husband remembers him from when he was a little boy- When the Redskins were in town playing the Rams most of the team would come over to my husbands parent's house to booze it up and party after the game- "Junior", the nickname of this football player named Brewer, really liked "little Timmy" - my husband-Once they even gave my husband the game ball which he still has in our garage-- But when all this happened my husband was only about 3 or 4 years old- Since my husbands mother died 37 years ago he can't ask her the name of her cousin anymore- He just remembers his last name was something like Brewer and my husbands mother and other team mates called him "Junior" --My husband would like to find out his complete name and really like to find out if there are any football cards of him- Also he still might be living- Don't football players receive pensions? Maybe there is a way to write him through some football league organization- i am sure he would love to hear from "little Timmy" who he gave that game ball to nearly 50 years ago-Any help in identifying the full name of this player and a listing of any football cards of him would be much appreciated- It would mean a lot for my husband to find a football card of this player he remembers from his childhood-Linda ================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:56:23 EST Subject: Please help me with identification of a player To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i need help with the identification of a Football player- His last name was Brewer or Bruer-He played with the Washington Redskins in the period from 1950 to 1955 - i don't know his first name- i would like to know his first name and the correct spelling of his last name- i know his nickname was "Junior" --He was my husband's mothers cousin and my husband remembers him from when he was a little boy- When the Redskins were in town playing the Rams most of the team would come over to my husbands parent's house to booze it up and party after the game- "Junior", the nickname of this football player named Brewer, really liked "little Timmy" - my husband-Once they even gave my husband the game ball which he still has in our garage-- But when all this happened my husband was only about 3 or 4 years old- Since my husbands mother died 37 years ago he can't ask her the name of her cousin anymore- He just remembers his last name was something like Brewer and my husbands mother and other team mates called him "Junior" --My husband would like to find out his complete name and really like to find out if there are any football cards of him- Also he still might be living- Don't football players receive pensions? Maybe there is a way to write him through some football league organization- i am sure he would love to hear from "little Timmy" who he gave that game ball to nearly 50 years ago-Any help in identifying the full name of this player and a listing of any football cards of him would be much appreciated- It would mean a lot for my husband to find a football card of this player he remembers from his childhood-My husband said the players first name might have been John- if someone has a football card of this player my husband will offer a 1968 Tom Seaver in return- thanks, Linda ================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:13:21 EST Subject: the search for the football player- chapter 2 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Glen Codere e-mailed me about an article in 1960 about a Washington Redskins player named Billy Brewer - unfortunately the link to the article didn't work- but now i have a first name- BUT my husband remembers this player from the early 50's -- was a Billy Brewer playing for the Redskins in the early 50's - somone must have a football enclyclopedia nd can check- AND is this player still living??? Linda ================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 19:14:36 EST Subject: Football player relative update To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- if you read my previous e-mails my husband is looking for any cards or information on a football player who played for the Washington Redskins in the early to mid 50's - This player was his mother's cousin and once gave my husband the game football when he visited my husband's parents house- My husband was only 3 or 4 years old then- My husband talked to his aunt today and found out the players name definitely was John Brewer,, nickname- "Junior" --i would appreciate any information on this player- is he still alive?? What years did he play for the Redskins?- And most of all- Are there any football cards of him from the 50's -if my husband could get one of those that would be his most treasured card- When the Redskins were in Los Angeles playing the Rams after the game a lot of the players used to go over to my husband's parents house to drink beer and party- and John Brewer- "Junior" really liked "little Timmy" - my husband a lot- he still has the game ball in our garage that John Brewer gave him almost 50 years ago- Linda ================= To: Subject: more on variations Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:29:54 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" To Mike Rich et al Do you mean 1967 Topps #26 Priddy comes with no team name at top of back? Never heard of that one. Have you ever heard of #402 as a variation? Just got an interesting 1954 Bowman football variation of #49 with Chadnoisinstead of Chandnois on the back. I don't see it listed anywhere. Also have heard that Tunnel(l) may be a variation also.Amazing that these things pop up after nearly 50 years. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:44:40 EST Subject: it was the Eagles NOT the Redskins as i thought To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Tim- linda's husband - thanks to a phone call from Mike Rich and an e-mail from Ray Luurs i have found out the John Brewer i am trying to find out about played for the Philadelphia Eagles in 1952 and 1953- i was mistaken about the Redskins- but i was only 2 years old when he came to my parent's house and gave me the game ball- i thought this incident had happened when i was 3 or 4 years old which would have been 1954 or 1955 but i am mistaken because Brewer was no longer playing then- what i am remembering about the game ball must have been told to me years later- i sure couldn't remember it when i was 2 years old- unfortunately i found out there are no football cards of him - that really makes me unhappy- i so wanted one of him- but if i could find a member in the philadelphia area to go through the newspapers from 1952 and 1953 maybe there is a mention of him- or find the date the Eagles played the Los Angeles Rams in Los Angeles in 1952 or 1953- when ever that was that would have been the date when Brewer and some of his teammates visited his cousin- my mother- at our house- my mother said those football players drank beer and partied until just before midnight - then left in a hurry to be in by curfew- i remember her telling me they took their dates in the bushes for 5 minutes then off they went- i remember those bushes by my house- it was the early 50's and neighborhoods didn't have a house on every plot- there were lots of vacent lots -also i know if John had been on a football card he would have given one to my mother- and i grew up knowing there was no such card in our house- bye, Tim ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: NCAA Tourney Cardboard Giveaway Pool Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:05:35 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Hi people, If you're not interested in doing a NCAA tourney pool then read no further. Previously Sean McGowan had mentioned the possibility of putting something together but I talked to him and he's been too busy so I guess I'll try to do something. Here's the deal. Space is limited to 16 people. Each person will be assigned randomly a team from each bracket with one of the teams being a 1 to 4 seed, one a 5 to 8 seed, one a 9 to 12 seed, and one a 13 to 16 seed. So each of the 16 people will have 4 teams. If your team wins a game the loser of that game sends you cards. So by the end of the tournament each person will have sent cards to 4 people (except the winner who sends to 3). Chances are at least one of your teams should win a game so you'll probably be receiving cards as well. On top of that the sole winner will receive cards from the other 15 participants. If you're interested or have any questions let me know. The next 14 people that respond will join Sean and I. Also, since I've never done anything like this before any suggestions will be considered. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 01:14:59 EST Subject: T213-2 - T206 Trade bait. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Just a request... if you have any T207, E90-1 or T213-2's available... PLEASE let me know.. I will do all I can to get you something worthy. Here are some T213-2 I picked up from Ebay. Most were dupes so LMK if you need them. All are tipton.. Most have decent color. Bender, Philadelphia (but can't tell if it is Amer. or Nat. becuase of a chip) Magee, Boston Nat. Demmitt, Chicago Amer. Schaefer, Washington Summers, Brooklyn Fed. Sweeney, New York Amer. Leach, Cincinnati Mowrey, Pittsburgh Nat. Ames, Cincinnati Elberfield, Chattanooga Byrne, Philadelphia Nat (I have SIX of these, all DANG tipton) I also picked up a T206 McIntyre, Brooklyn. I already had one but I thought someone might need it. LMK what you need. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:18:47 -0800 Subject: 1953 Topps...! From: Peter Iversen A rather long story about my 1953 Topps quest - 1991-2002 When I first found OBC on Prodigy in 1991 - after recovering from my excitement at finding a group of like minded collectors - I started trading to fill my 3 boyhood sets 1962, 63 and 64 Topps. I used whatever cards I had from the early 60's and late 50's to trade with try to fill in the holes. I remember reading the posts about 1950's cards and being amazed that anyone had cards that old to trade... After winning a 1953 Bowman color card of Billy Loes on a local bid board I decided that I would like to get more 1953 cards - since that was the year I was born. I mentioned this to the group and Larry Tipton quickly responded by sending me a 1953 Topps Bill Connelly and Gus Zernial - which I still have in my 1953 Topps binder. I added to the description of what I collect "Any 1953's" - when I rejoined OBC in 1997 Larry still remembered that I collected "1962-64 Topps and Any 1953's" In 1998 or so I was in the Beverly Hills Baseball Card shop (not as expensive as it sounds) and the guy had a stack of 50 trimmed 1953 Topps cards (including a Feller card) that he sold me for $50.00 - and I was on my way. I never believed that I would be able to actually collect this set - and was content at getting an occasional 1953 card from time to time. But now with this stack of cards - I was well started and I listed the 1953 Topps set on my want list. OBC responded (as usual) and I was sent more cards than I can remember from OBC members - among them were the Paige, Kiner, Bolling & Hutchinson cards - I wish I had kept track of all the cards that came from OBCers so I could thank you all again now! I would not have been able to approach completing this set if not for the generosity of MANY OBCers! Last year I started working on a fellow I work with at my second job - Don - to trade or sell me his 1953 Mays and Mantle cards since he had dupes of both and those were the last two cards I needed to finish the set. The Mays card was a Tipton "bicycle spoke" Mint specimen. The Mantle was nicer looking although it had been colored with a red marker to color a space where some paper had been removed. I found a bunch of cards and pulled some from my collection to trade Don for the Mays. He has want lists but they are short and ever since Solomon Cramer stopped his e-mail auctions Don has not been into collecting as much. Well he held my offerings for over a year - even though he handed over the Mays card when I gave him the cards I had for him. He said "keep it, and we will work it out later..." Well for a year I have been reminding him to look at the cards I gave him and see if he needed them all - to see if I had given him fair value for the Mays. I also kept bugging him about the Mantle and how much he wanted for it - or if he wanted to trade for it Well, today my bugging and persistence and patience has paid off. Don kept all but 7 of the cards I traded him for the Mays and that was even. He then sold me the Mantle (that looks G/VG to me even though it is probably poor do to the marker on it) for 6% of book. I wanted to find a 1953 Mantle for $150 - but I am not complaining at all. In fact - since Don has procrastinated so long I have had time over the past year to save money for this card - so I had $150 saved up (I am a wishful thinker) and only had to come up with $42.00 to close the deal. Needless to say I am delirious and amazed and I won't be buying too many high priced cards for awhile... Unless I get Ken Morganti to introduce me to a lucky slot machine in Vegas. I wanted to share this rather long story with all of you - to thank you and to let you all know that my 1953 Topps set is COMPLETED! - last card - #82 Mickey Mantle!!! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:26:28 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] it was the Eagles NOT the Redskins as i thought To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com If anyone remembers the Eagles hurry up offense back then, it was more like 2 minutes in the bushes! Literally and figuratively. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Chicago Sun Times/George Johnson Show Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:28 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Is anyone else going to the show this weekend at Rosemont? I will be there Saturday. Let me know if you are coming and we can meet at a table at a certain George Vrechek ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: NCAA Pool - Last Chance Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:56:54 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Still have 4 open spots. If anybody's interested let me know. FCFS. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 02:01:48 EST Subject: T-205 trades To: prewartraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Okay...i broke down and bought that darn laminated Hindu back(Engle) on ebay this week. Got the card, actually looks pretty good and the card is in better condition than the other Hindu that I own (Ames). Here is what I propose. I really need a T-205 Drum back (dont we all). The one I own has half the back off incl. most of the advertising. I would like a drum back with a clean back. Does anyone have one or are willing to trade one for my laminated hindu back? Let me know. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:19:34 EST Subject: TOPPS T206? What the??? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I don't swear. I occationally get irritated, but I don't just blurt out profanity at a high rate... HOWEVER... I came REALLY close today when I jumped on Ebay and was doing some searching for some cards I needed to complete my T206 set. Topps... being hobby-ruining bastards that they are have found it in thier infinate wisdom to issue a 2002 "T206" set. Modern players... modern ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY (some backs are scarcer than others... meaning that they only print two billlion of the "rare" ones) Someone is going to Hell over this. I know they are. I did a quick search for T206 and the first auction in the list was for a T206 BARRY BONDS???? Hmmmm.... Given a choice of seeing Barry Bonds on a t206 (even a FAKE one) or jumping off the roof and landing on a sawhorse would be a tough choice. Why have the card companies decided that it is their job to DESTROY the integrity of the hobby? Why chop up Babe Ruth bats and put a small unidentifiable piece in a card? Why put ICHIRO on a T206 style card? Why don't they just let us be? I am not one to wish ill on someone but it lightning strikes the Topps plant and the whole thing burns to the ground, I will consider it an act of God. A smiling laughing happy God that has gotten sick of people messing with I hate topps. I might be ditching my topps cards over this... stay tuned. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 22:13:15 EST Subject: Re: TOPPS T206? What the??? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/14/02 6:46:04 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Why have the card companies decided that it is their job to DESTROY the integrity of the hobby? Why chop up Babe Ruth bats and put a small unidentifiable piece in a card? Why put ICHIRO on a T206 style card? Why don't they just let us be? >> The problem isn't just limited to T206's... I've had to exclude the word "Topps" from my T205 searches too. For some reason, Topps decided to issue their 2001 Traded set as T1, T2, T3 etc... so T205 (Micheal Coleman for those of you scoring at home) comes up in some of the searches. Adding the word 'gold' (for gold borders) to my search criteria doesn't help either, since there's a GOLD parallel set along with the chrome and regular versions. To attempt to answer your question above however, I think that Topps realized that every collector wants to do a retro or prewar set like us. Too bad the cards don't come slightly mashed up in the packs though. As far as cutting up the Babe's bat, I still think it was/is sacriligious to destroy a piece of baseball history like that. The epitomy of greed wasn't reached however until they started selling little packets of SAWDUST from those bats they cut up. It's a shame that 'collectors' are falling for the "If you produce it, they will buy it" scam. My two cents, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:49:09 EST Subject: The real mantle rookie To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com for all you Mantle collectors: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem& ================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:57:32 EST Subject: Update: Available 63 Western Oil Minnesota Twins To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com Hello OBC! Everyone who asked for something so far will receive pretty close to their request. All you type collectors out there, take a look at what I still have available of these wonderful 8 1/2 x 11 inch Nicholas Volpe pastels. Some tape marks, paper tears, signs of age, but again, not too bad overall in my humble opinion. Here's the list: Bernie Allen Bill Dailey John Goryl Lenny Green Jim Hall Sam Mele Ray Moore Jim Perry Shorty Pleis Vic Power Garry Roggenburk Jim Roland Lee Stange Dick Stigman Zoilo Versalles (2) Jerry Zimmerman (2) COME AND GET 'EM! Semper Fi, ================= Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:39:44 EST Subject: weekend rosemont (chicago) show To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com is anyone else planning on attending this show on saturday? if so, please lmk. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:52:49 EST Subject: test To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 15:44:41 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1972-73 #55 1973-74 #57, 94 1975-76 #8 1977-78 # 3, 19, 125, 35, 52, 108, 27 1957 Topps: #364 1959 Topps: #161,, 381 1967 Topps # 62 (checklist) 1971 Topps: 186, 459, 523, 172, 199, 468, 15, 13, 10 3, 4, 8, 9, 49, 32, 42, 48, 47, 43. 1972 Topps: 33, 499, 192, 367, 373, 380, 67, 66, 62, 58, 56, 48 1973 Topps 108, 109, 115, 121, 127, 92, 87, 72. 1978 Topps: 320, 15 1988 Topps: 600 (Mike Schmidt) Thanks Bob W..... ================= Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:24:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another OBC'er met (plus a show report) From: "rbhankins" After a few months where I actually worked out of my office, I'm officially a road warrior again. For the next couple of months, I'll be spending 3-5 days a week in sunny California (Orange County, to be precise). From what I can tell, California OBC'ers are kind of spread out, but I'm going to try to meet some of you while I'm on this project. I got off to a great start last week by hooking up with Erik Greenwood. Erik was kind enough to meet me at the weekly Wednesday night show at Frank & Sons in the City of Industry. I was late and Erik had another committment, but I enjoyed the brief amount of time we got to hang out. It's always nice to see and talk to the folks we email with and share this great hobby with. Erik and I had swapped a few cards the first couple of months I belonged to OBC. Then, last month, Erik blew me away by sending a 1955 Bowman Mickey Mantle. I had mentioned this to my partner, who knows a bit about cards and is on this project with me. When I told my partner about my plans for Wednesday evening, he said he wanted to go "just to see what kind of person would send a card like that to someone they had never met and not have any expectation of getting something in return." The Frank & Son show wasn't much to write home about, though there were a few vintage dealers tucked away between the boxes of shiney stuff and the slabbed game-used things. I found a few Fleer Ted Williams cards and a few other things at eBay-type prices. Mostly though it was newer stuff and beanie babies/hot wheels/comics/etc. I accidently walked down the comic/magic aisle. I have to tell you, it's a little spooky over in that world. (Why would anyone want to get THAT pierced?) Having scampered back to safety, my partner and I bought a couple of boxes of new stuff that looks like old stuff and busted them open when we got back to the hotel. Life on the road is not quite as glamorous as it seems I guess. Anyway, thanks for coming out Erik. Next time I'll be on time, and if you can get free, I'll even buy you dinner. ================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:53:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1951 Topps Redbacks From: "jimbo777777" I won a couple of lots of '51 Redbacks over the weekend. When they all come in, I'll need just one more to finish the set. Calling all cards, all points bulletin for a #14, Wayne Terwilliger! Anybody with a Twig for sale or rent, c'mon down! I'll have a nice selection of dupes to offer in return. ================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:21 EST Subject: IS ANYBODY OUT THERE??? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: JEdward@aol.com I've recieved one e-mail from the thanks server, none from the other servers at all in the last couple of days. Something is terribly wrong. I'm wondering if this will get out to the rambling server. I seem to be getting all the mail that's address to me so I was wondering if someone could respond directly to me sometime within the next few hours if this does indeed get out. If I don't hear back from anyone I'll assume this didn't make it out and I'll try something else. John (jedward@aol.com) ================= To: JEdward@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IS ANYBODY OUT THERE??? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:01:34 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Yahoogroups.com was switching over their email servers this weekend so no email was delivered from late Friday evening to sometime Sunday morning. They said any mail sent to their servers during that period would eventually get delivered. I've received a few messages yesterday and today so it they appear to be caught up at least at my end. >From: JEdward@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] IS ANYBODY OUT THERE??? >Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 15:20:21 EST >I've recieved one e-mail from the thanks server, none from the other >at all in the last couple of days. Something is terribly wrong. >I'm wondering if this will get out to the rambling server. I seem to be >getting all the mail that's address to me so I was wondering if someone >respond directly to me sometime within the next few hours if this does >get out. >If I don't hear back from anyone I'll assume this didn't make it out and >try something else. >John (jedward@aol.com) Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: help with a football card Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:59:49 -0500 From: "John Collins" Hi all, I am a "volunteer expers" at the allexperts.com website, where I answer questions people have about older sportscards. I advertise that I know a lot about old baseball cards, and next to nothing about any other sport, but I still get questions from all over the place. Recently I got this one, and wondered if any of you have heard of this set and would possibly have any idea where to begin looking for it so I can let the guy know. My grandfather (James White) played for the NY Giants football team in the late 1040s and early 1950s. He is on five major sets, the 1948 and 1950Bowman sets, the 1948 and 1949 Leaf set, and a set I have seen listed as the 1950 Bread for Health series. I have many of the Leaf and Bowman cards, but never once have I seen any of the Bread for Health cards. Do you have any info on where any of thesecards might be seen/purchased? Thanks in advance, Shane John C. Collins ================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 18:55:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ellison Wedding To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com wondering where rick and margaret are registered? Kevin Savage Cards? Kit Young Cards? Tic and Tic? ================= To: Subject: The Curse of Savary Island (cont'd.) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:03:07 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" The Curse has extended it's reach...we had planned on being up there for Spring Break. Coast Guard and Med-Evac on Full Alert. Were planning on going up yesterday...Friday, my bride was vaccuuming the car, and her back went "TWANGGGG." No trip. Yesterday was the nicest day of the year, just fabulous. Today, it's snowing like Hell, and naturally enough quite cold. Why doesn't it ever snow on warm days? I hear there are 3 large trees down, major cleanup required. Time to get a chainsaw....only question is, which leg am I gonna cut up, left or right? ================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 20:27:54 EST Subject: I'll offer to be the Marlboro man To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Last December, there was a show put on in Marlboro, Massachusetts. I found it to be OK, but apparently the promoters thought it was better than OK because they're coming back next month: http://www.tristarproductions.com/shows/NE402/index.htm If anyone is interested in going, I can go to a local card shop here in Salem and get advance admission tickets for $5 and mail them to you (they're $8 at the door). I'll probably go on Saturday (as luck would have it, my wife the Master Florist has a wedding to do that weekend). Just drop me a note and I'll get the tix next week. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 22:33:17 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ellison Wedding To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Josh - ROFLOL, actually don't restrict it to just three we are registered to any old card dealer you can find! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Any Yaz/Bosox collectors out there? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 10:37:35 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Came across this w/ 5 days left - looks cool! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813771028 Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:39:47 EST Subject: I'm Visiting DENVER... anyone there? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I am currrently at a seminar in Colorado Springs, however I will be able to do some SERIOUS card shop searching beginning Thursday. Are there any OBCers within an hour or so of Denver that might want to get together? Never know.. there might always be free cards in it for you :) (bribery anyone?) Second, I will also be hitting any shops that I find. Anyone have opinions regarding the best shops in Denver? I hear there is one in Arvada which won't be too far away. Any suggestions? LMK and we can get together for lunch or perhaps some swapping. I don't have my full dupes box, but I brought plenty of barter material. ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:33:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Detroit Tigers game From: "mikesportsfan" A while back I posted a notice about going to a Tigers game. Based upon the 1/2 dozen responses, I think the Saturday, June 8 7:05 vs. Philadelphia is the game we will attend. I would like input into the price tickets we should get and if we should get them ahead of time. My opinion is either get $8 general admission tickets, which include a pop and a dog I think or $20 better seats. If we go with the $20 seats we should buy them in advance to get the best possible seats. The $8 general admission makes no difference by buying in advance other than not waiting at the box office the day of the game. I will host a swap session at my house (about 25 minutes from Comerica Park) before hand. I feel this should be open to all BB lovers, not just OBCers. So unless the group feels otherwise, feel free to mention this to OCT, VCT TB, etc. I am NOT a member of those other groups, so cannot post it myself. LMK if this is NOT accpetable or if spouses, significant others, friends should be excluded. I am hoping some of the guys may drive in, and may not want to do this by themselves. I can also "house" a few people after the game so they do NOT have to drive home afterward, if it is too far. Housing may mean sleeping bags on the floor depending on how many take me up on the offer. Please give me input on the tickets at least. Mike Rich Go Tigers! Maybe .500 ball in 2002. We settle for so little with the Tigers. ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:40:08 EST Subject: Any DENVER OBCers? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Are there any OBCers in or around (within an hour or so) of Denver? I will have some time available late this week or early next week as I will be in Denver and Colorado Springs for a seminar\vacation. Also, what are the best card shops in Denver? I will have a couple of afternoons to work on the wantlist. (by the way... if you got two versions of this I am sorry. I sent one several hours ago and it has not come through yet so I am resending) ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:58:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trading "problems" From: "mikesportsfan" I have been faced with some dilemmas lately. Like many in OBC I have a hard time hitting some peoples lists. I have done pretty well on some lists (Brocks for a while), but am now "tapped" out, in terms of finding things some guys need (Ken Morganti, Andy Baran, etc.) Conversely, I think others in OBC have trouble with my list, since I need so little (under 250, not counting the 1975 set, variations and upgrades) Topps regular issue BB. I have a 800 count box for 1 OBCer who has virtually nothing to help me out with. I understand the OBC philosophy and do not mind helping others with their wantlists, but do not feel it is fair to myself or the recipient to send out a huge package (in terms of value) to someone who cannot reciprocate to some extent. I cannot afford to buy cards to just give to other OBCers. I do try and let people trade me their dupes, even if I do not need them, for hopefully at least equal value of what they need, This way their collection is helped and I am "not hurt". I am not talking about not getting reciprocity for $10 worth of cards. I am talking about sending out packages worth $50 - Almost unanimously OBCers have tried to reciprocate, when I have sent out packages, and hopefully all who have sent me stuff, feel the same way. Sometimes it takes a while, from me to them, or from them to me. I have on a few occasions sent a single of mine to someone who is close to finishing a set (see an earlier ramble about a 1949 MP & CO. to Brett, that I just got from Bama) and have occassionally begged or been the recipient of a single from others. I am not proud of begging for them, or having guys feel obligated for sending them, but sometimes it is the only way we feel we can make a trade. Hopefully they end up with stuff they want even more than the single they parted with (Al Crotte & Yaz, both recently parted with some singles for me) or know that I appreciate it more than they would (the BSKB sticker from Al completed my set and he needs almost 1/2; plus I sent him some cards to complete a few sets of his). I have started to review some of the wantlsits of other on-line trading group members, because I feel that although the OBC philosophy is closest to my own, the number of trades I am involved in is getting smaller. Maybe this is inevitable, as people make an early trade or 2 and then run out of being able to mutually help each other. I wonder if others have thoughts on this. I do not plan on leaving OBC, as the swapping is just a small part of the group to me. The offers of support and assistance recently during the worst of ny illness, the knowledge and the camaraderie is most important. The swapping is what brought me in, but not what keeps me in. Mike Rich (another Morganesque ramble). ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:24:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: This & That From: "mikesportsfan" Have not sent out a ramble in a while and wanted to update the group on a few things. A few weeks ago I posted that I was going in for some medical tests. The results came back, mainly good. NO CANCER! The Dr's thought I might test positive. Fortunately not. I do have a digestive disorder/disease which has "spread" a little further and they have had to add steroids to my meds. I guess I am now disqualified from the Olympics. The funny thing is although they want me to lose weight (when was the last tine a Dr. told you that), they expect this medication to give me the munchies and add 15 pounds in a month. They said to expect to look heavier and puffy in the cheeks. Just what I need, to "LOOK" even heavier than I am. How many of us can relate to that? They said they hope the new medicine will help me so that I can begin to go out and enjoy life again. The digestive disorder has kept me chained to the house much too often the last 4 months or so. I even missed goign to Toronto last month for my sister's birthday party, because I could not make the 5 hour drive. So overall I guess this was good news. I also have been the recipient of some great packages recently, which I have posted thanks for. I now have a DSl connection at my desk at work, so I hope to stay more up to date with my E-mails and such with the group. Since I am caught up (I know this is a surprise to a few of you), I actually bid on Ebay. I have a personal rule, that I will not look at Ebay, unless I am caught up on all of my E-mail. I got my first notice today of winning an Ebay lot (2 1953 Red Man). This is my first Ebay win this year and probably in over 6 months. I will try and observe the no poaching on other OBCers rule, but hope to be more active in bidding, especially on my beloved coke caps. A Morganesque ramble, sorry. Other rambles to follow. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:28:06 -0500 (EST) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com (mikesportsfan) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This & That From: Originaleek@webtv.net Thanks for the update and the "no Big C" news. It's good to know prayers help. GI disorders can be difficult to live with, but generally manageable. I'm not sure Comerica Park hot dogs are Dr. approved. As regards your post about short and or difficult wantlists, I have reviewed yours several times in hopes of finding something I could hit. I know my list is difficult to hit as well. My goal this year is to hit every OBCer's list, even Linda's. I'm over 60% thus far, but the harder lists are lurking. Not sure the reason for this post (it's definitely a Ramble), maybe just to commiserate. We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: test Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:15:34 -0500 From: "John Collins" John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 69 Topps variation expert? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:22:35 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" I looked at this one and mine and think the are the same, is there a difference in this card listed? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813411087 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 69 Topps variation expert?] From: rdn56 I've seen a LOT of people on Ebay selling "white letter variations" of 1969 cards that were ONLY made with white letters. Every so often, when it is blatently hyped as a rare variation I send them a note asking if they would also include one of the "common" examples of that card. Some of the replies are interesting. ================= To: 'Al Cummings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 69 Topps variation expert? Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:10:16 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hi Big Saint Al, I ran into you with Mike Zieber's ebay auctions this past week - I see you got those OPC lots - they looked pretty good to me as well. I had a bunch of early "place mark bids", but couldn't get back to them to take some of them down. I'm pretty cheap when it comes to what I am willing to spend on eBay so I got some of the single "star" cards and lost out on the group I regards to the `69 Topps "white letter" variations. There are two Rich Rollins cards (as well as many others) the common variation has the yellow print in the players name (I think it is only the first name. The more difficult variety that is listed on eBay has the entire name of the player in white letters. These variations effect a number of cards in the `69 set with many "star" cards included, Mantle and McCovey come to mind as stand outs. There is usually a sizable premium for these variations much like the yellow letter cards of the 1958 Topps set. Hope this helps - Good Luck with your collection. BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Al Cummings [mailto:alcattle@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 9:23 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 69 Topps variation expert? I looked at this one and mine and think the are the same, is there a difference in this card listed? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813411087 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:34:45 EST Subject: Re: 69 Topps variation expert? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/20/02 3:47:04 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << I looked at this one and mine and think the are the same, is there a difference in this card listed? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813411087 I don't consider myself an 'expert' on anything, but since this is the type of useless information I love to dispense, I thought I'd share it with the entire group. The card you saw on eBay is one of the more difficult ones to tell the difference between the two versions... the FIRST name and POSITION are in white on the scarcer card. There are three Pilots and three Padres in the series that are similar. I think all the other white letter variations are with the player's last name... plus there's four rookie star cards that have the entire name in white letters. Now you know :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "'rdn56@nc.rr.com'" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 69 Topps variation expert?] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:39:58 -0500 From: Mark Talbot I rambled without looking it up. Is the Rollins card one that only comes with white letters? I'm not home to check my references so if I mislead anyone with my banter I apologize. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ---------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: rdn56 [mailto:rdn56@nc.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 9:53 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 69 Topps variation expert?] I've seen a LOT of people on Ebay selling "white letter variations" of 1969 cards that were ONLY made with white letters. Every so often, when it is blatently hyped as a rare variation I send them a note asking if they would also include one of the "common" examples of that card. Some of the replies are interesting. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:49:21 EST Subject: Jack Wallin Diamond Greats-FINALLY!!!!!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- One of the card sets i have searched for 15 years for and not been able to find a single card from is the Jack Wallin Diamond Greats 400 card Set- it is in my Wantlist at my web site as my most wanted set- i couldn't find a single card from this set and i have never seen one on ebay until today- one fourth of the set- the 1st series of 100 cards finally showed up on ebay-#1811900405- This set must be really rare because if you notice in the description of the set the seller advertises it as a complete set of 100 cards even though this seems to be only the 1st series in the 400 card set- AND i am glad it was not the 2nd, 3rd or 4th series from the set he had for sale- the 1st series is the one that features Yankees players- ( Dodgers also, but i can live with that) -i am really happy after 15 years of searching to finally find some cards from this elusive set- if ANYONE in OBC has even a single card from the 100 card each 2nd , 3rd or 4th series- let me know- i will trade 60's hi numbers for these "junk" reprint cards- Linda ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:36:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: TCMA All Time Greats From: "david_skoglund_mn" I've seen a bunch of these postcards on eBay, but I swear I had a set of these when I was a kid that were standard size cards. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813763072 Anybody know any info on the regular size set? I look for then on eBay on and off, but have yet to see any. ================= To: Subject: 69 White letter variation Question Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:06:12 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" The 69 white letter in question (Rich Rollins) comes with first name and position in yellow, last name in white as the common. Both names and positionin white is the tougher variation. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 18:46:20 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trader? From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, gang! Has anybody ever traded with someone named Sean, whose email address is He sent an email about a week ago to all of OBC, inviting trades. Happy collecting, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:00:36 EST Subject: It's a WIZ or a new quest for a Yankees Set To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi this is Linda- Since i finally got 100 cards consisting of the 1st series from the 400 card 1979 Jack Wallin Diamond Greats Set on ebay today----it is time to start searching for another obscure set- This time one that especially appeals to me because it is ALL Yankees- it is a 600 + card set distributed on the East Coast by WIZ home entertainment stores- in 1991-ok now that you have finished blasting me for mentioning a set from 1991 in the ramblings i would like to offer a defense that this set has cards from Home Run Baker of the Highlanders and a lot of old time Yankees-This is not a UV set of modern players!!! This really is not a "modern" set to me because it undoubtly has pics of Yankee players going back 70 to 80 years or more- one of the series in the set is Yankee Hall of Famers- i guess all the Yankees who are in the Hall of Fame-also there are several Mantle cards in this set- a reason by itself to search for these cards-- Does any trader have any of these cards?? i would sure like to get a comprehensive 600 + card set of Yankees- did any OBC member on the East coast get or see any of these cards?? thanks, Linda ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: availables and topps 2002 series 2 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:56:59 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" First, to offset the UV nature of this post,... anyone need 1951 redbacks #12,#42,#45? all have tape, but don't look too bad in spite of it. :) If you don't want to open packs of this years topps baseball, please stop reading, and pardon the interruption. This is my twice a year to see if anyone new (or old) is interested in a box, or several of topps baseball. I get them cheap because I buy a couple cases and send them around at cost. The bad news is that this year my "connection" jacked the price alot. He says it was all topps, but I'm not so sure. Anyway, to me is $38.33/box, so that would be your cost, + mailing and insurance which is a max of $6.30 for one box. Around $8 if you get 2 boxes. I I can keep the mailing cost down to a little less than $6, but what I will do is ask for $6.30 for one box, $7.70 for 2 boxes and ask if you are getting These numbers are based on what it cost for most of the boxes last time. If you bought last time, ask me, because I still have all the receipts. Let me know asap if you want some, because he is waiting for a deposit. The cards are supposed to be out in late April. Thanks, and get back to the old cards! ================= Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:59:55 EST Subject: Troubled times! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - Many of you have probably read the following article or many like it. As you can well imagine this concerns me since I have been a Govt. employee for close to 30 years and with U.S. Customs for the last 26 years. I fear that the Immigration and Naturalization Service is getting buried and much of the dirt is landing on U.S. Customs! This coupled with my upcoming wedding has left me little time to spend with this group. I hope that will change soon however, I am off to Washington, DC again on Monday for a week to receive additional training on antiterrorism and will be tasked with training other field units around the country in the near future. I have also been tasked as member of a team that will be developing desk top war games for the port of San Francisco and Honolulu which will directly related to possible terrorist attacks. Bottom line is I will be busy for the foreseeable future here in U.S. Customs or in a brand new agency! Please be patient I will get my "dupes box" up and running again as soon as possible. Meanwhile please read the following article. I welcome your opinion on it or anything else I have written. Tripleplay (Rick) Bush Poised to Back New Border Agency Plan Would Merge 3 Bureaucracies By Dana Milbank Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, March 19, 2002; Page A01 The Bush administration is poised to recommend a dramatic reorganization of the federal agencies charged with protecting the nation's borders by merging the Customs Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service and the Border Patrol, administration and congressional officials said yesterday. The merger of the three agencies, each responsible for part of the nation's border security, would be an effort to streamline government functions and shore up the nation's porous border defenses as a response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. The restructuring, which would require congressional approval, is intended to improve coordination among the thousands of federal workers who protect U.S. borders but work for different organizations. Similar proposals have been rejected since the Nixon administration, but the imminent agreement reflects the government's new sense of urgency in overcoming bureaucratic hurdles. Senior administration officials will meet today to finalize the merger proposal and draft recommendations for President Bush, officials said. The consolidation has been a priority for Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge, who has been forced to negotiate bureaucratic turf battles within the administration. Ridge had hoped such a proposal would be part of the president's State of the Union address and budget message. He backed down at that time because of ongoing wrangling, conceding that he may have been pushing for change too quickly. Although top Bush advisers have agreed to combine the INS and Border Patrol, which are part of the Justice Department, with Customs, which is part of the Treasury Department, they have yet to decide whether the new agency will be part of Justice or a stand-alone organization, possibly under Ridge. Democrats in Congress are seeking to create a new Cabinet department responsible for homeland security -- something President Bush has opposed. Ridge is scheduled to meet today with Attorney General John D. Ashcroft, Treasury Secretary Paul H. O'Neill and other members of the Homeland Security Council to finalize the agreement. Administration officials said they anticipate today's meeting will be the final one before a recommendation is made. %0ARidge spokesman Gordon Johndroe confirmed that the Homeland Security Council will meet today but declined to discuss its agenda. Congressional sources said the most likely recommendation is for the new entity to be placed in the Justice Department, but administration officials cautioned that such a conclusion was premature. Moving Customs under the umbrella of the INS would likely be controversial in Congress, which has been highly critical of that agency, particularly after the belated arrival last week of student visa approval notices for two of the Sept. 11 hijackers. Such a change might also draw opposition from business groups concerned that routine Customs operations could be affected. Any proposal would give Congress an opportunity to question administration officials on the structure of the homeland security apparatus, and may provide congressional critics of the INS a chance to overhaul that agency. Bush has proposed reforming the INS without legislative action by breaking it into service and enforcement units. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.), chairman of the Governmental Affairs Committee, has introduced legislation that would create a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security, combining the three entities in the Bush proposal with others, such as the Federal Emergency Management Agency and the Coast Guard. They would be under the command of Ridge or a different secretary of homeland security. A Lieberman spokesman said the Bush plan "is moving in our direction." Rep. William M. "Mac" Thornberry (R-Tex.) has also proposed a Congressional Democrats, supported by a small number of Republicans, have also asked Ridge to testify on homeland security, a request the administration has refused on the grounds that Ridge is a member of Bush's staff and is not required to appear before congressional committees, as Cabinet officers are. Senate Majority Leader Thomas A. Daschle (D-S.D.) said senators might consider issuing a subpoena to Ridge, and senators have raised the possibility of requiring testimony from some 80 officials of the various agencies included in the homeland security effort. In an interview last November, Ridge said "there is an appetite" to bring Customs, INS, Border Patrol and possibly the Coast Guard under one agency. He said it made little sense that "when you are coming across a border, you have five or six different folks, wearing different uniforms, and you have to run a gantlet. "We would be a lot safer," Ridge said, "if we could not only fuse some of this capability, but exchange some of the intelligence that these agencies now get." Ridge's comments drew cheers from congressional sponsors of such legislation, but he ran into opposition from officials in those agencies who were reluctant or unwilling to relinquish power to a new, more centralized agency. Staff writer Eric Pianin contributed to this report. c 2002 The Washington Post Company ================= To: 'david_skoglund_mn' , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] TCMA All Time Greats Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:52:15 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Yes Dave, You are correct!!! The "standard size" set has very crude statistical information typed on the back of the cards. It was released in the 70's features many "old time" players of the 20's, 30's and 40's. They are still a nice bargain bin finds in these parts - I have some somewhere. The "postcards" were blank backed and much like Exhibit cards, they too were released in the 70's and although "oddball', they are quite common. If you need more information on them I could research it further at home, otherwise I hope this helps out. BE WELL!!! REGARDS _------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: david_skoglund_mn [mailto:david.skoglund@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 4:36 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] TCMA All Time Greats I've seen a bunch of these postcards on eBay, but I swear I had a set of these when I was a kid that were standard size cards. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813763072 Anybody know any info on the regular size set? I look for then on eBay on and off, but have yet to see any. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Subject: East Meets West Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" I had the pleasure of meeting Richard Hankins last week at the Frank & Sons UV / Magic / Comic Book / Hot Wheels / Just about everything but vintage weekly show. I was able to pick up a couple of unmentionables for my player collection as well as some 70 high numbers and two Ryan playoff cards from a certain dealer with overpriced Fleer Ted Williams cards for 50c a piece. Unfortunately, I had to leave early because I had to travel the next morning, but it was certainly great to meet up with Richard. ================= Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:33:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Feedback From: "airal6" Hello again, Al Crotte, with a delayed response to our recent discussion over the definition of what are "old baseball cards." My apologies for the delay. I didn't want to start a ruckus and then not follow up on it, but life got in the way. Thank you all for your responses and your patience. To start, some declarations are appropriate. I am just a little old attorney with limited knowledge as to what went on in OBC in the past. I'm just a new guy that meant no harm to anyone by bringing up this issue, and I certainly did not mean to open up any old wounds. I would think that we are all adults and can handle a discussion like this. If one can not, then I suppose he can take his ball and glove and go home. ; ) I will add my personal conclusion first. I do not think that a modification of the "1980" end date is presently an issue that is ripe. I certainly reserve the right to bring up the issue in the future, and I promise to only do it in a way that would follow OBC rules. The whole idea of sending the note to the server was to get a feel for the position of the group as a whole. I would never want to cause OBC any harm. I love it as it is and as it will be. We are a collective and discourse is healthy. We chose our AC and they are our voice. No one person or small group of people should have power without going through the process. One thing we must understand is that in life, one thing is constant ... change. It is up to us whether we choose to change with poise, honor, and dignity. Now, to the issue at hand. The points of emphasis are many and anyone's position and statements are relevant in our collective, but some points stand out. The primary point has to do with overproduction. There was a card boom in 1981, and most of us remember it. It is a clear breaking point. The point was made that there are other periods throughout history (eg. 1972) where production significantly increased as well, but those periods are not at issue here. Another point has to do with multiple brands coming out in 1981. This issue does not hold as much water since there are points throughout our presently defined collecting time period when we had multiple national brands in one particular year. Another point has to do with the fact that the rulemakers chose this year (1980) and therefore we should keep it. An illogic. See above for commentary on change and the fact that we are a collective. Another point has to do with industry standards. What do the SCD and/or Beckett annuals use as breaking points in the hobby. Whether we like these manuals or not, they are industry standards. We don't have to follow them, but their definitions would be persuasive. Another point has to do with the inherent nature of the word old. There was a time when the new 1957 cards changed the shape of what everyone collected. (eg. Those new smaller cards don't match up with the "bigger" sized and much nicer 1956s.) Now it seems silly to say that we would only collect 1956 and older cards. How many of the players featured in the 1981 sets play today? Not many if any. What we define as old is partially defined by the times that we live in and that will ever change. Just the facts. In the end, we don't have to change just to change. I am not looking for resolution or seeking change presently. It's just cool discourse. I respect the history of OBC and the people within it. I am more than happy with the present limit at 1980 but enlightened enough to welcome new thoughts. It keeps me young. One additional point of emphasis. That 1982 Ripken RC is a historic card. Does that matter to OBC as a collective? Thanks for listening and I appreciate being welcomed into the group over these last few months. I look forward to collecting with all of you into the future ... until I am "old." : ) ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fw: old baseball card Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:26:47 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This request was mailed to me as "wantlist guy". Please respond directly to the original sender. Steve Rittenberg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl, Matthew - Nick" To: Sent: Monday, March 18, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: old baseball card > Hi- My name is Matthew Karl and I am looking for a baseball card of my > uncle Andy Karl. > He played from 1943-1947 > There were two cards made > 1943 Red Sox T1-11 > 1983 Red Sox CMO la 1945-44 > Do you have any info how i could find these cards? > Thanks! > -Matt > Nickelodeon Magazine Group > Matthew Karl > Production Manager > 212.654.6358 > matthew.karl@nick.com ================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 03:40:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I havent forgot From: "rayluurs" I wish to take this time to tell Mark, Chuck and Todd that I havent forgot their booty for March Madness wins but I did forget that you need to mail them to get them anywhere. However I do believe I had a good excuse as my mind has been elswhere. Tuesday night in a matter of 5 minutes my 14 year old son went from a happy go lucky kid to someone who almost completed a suicide. In the past two days my wife and I have tried to put our lives back together wonder from such things as why us, to are we bad parents ......to many idea run through your head. We hope to have more of an idea of what going on by this weekend although what we always passed off as normal teenage things that annoy us might be diagnosed as a bio polar disease. Anyhow thanks for let me get something off my chest and let you know guys i will mail them out tomorrow :-) ================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 00:21:29 EST Subject: Ebay N 333- Hess: Newsboys League To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com If you ever wanted a Tipton version, now is your chance ! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1085054898 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC hats Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 07:02:53 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I think it would be great if we can get some more OBC hats made up in time for distribution at the National. Does anyone know a company we can talk to and how much these would cost? ================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:58:04 EST Subject: M116 Sporting Life cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, A (dealer) friend of mine ran into a large lot of these things (about 400 he says). There's plenty of dupes, which he offered to me. (I didn't get any price quotes however, as I was in a rush to make a dentist appt. at the time). I'm not really interested in them, but if you're working on the set, LMK and I'll get you in touch w/each other. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC hats Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:02:06 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net How about making hats available to order all of us, not just those attending the National? I would think that the price would be cheaper for a larger order. I know your suggestion wasn't just that you could only get a hat if you were going to the National. But, I've been in OBC a little over four years and I don't think I've ever been presented with the opportunity to order a From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: OBC hats I think it would be great if we can get some more OBC hats made up in time for distribution at the National. ================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:18:39 EST Subject: Missing 63 Fleer = 1978 TCMA Set???? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi this is Linda- i read something interesting in the description of an ebay item ( # 1813791442) which may be of interest- apparently the rest of the 63 Fleer set -- or pictures taken by Fleer in the 60's that didn't show up on cards--showed up on a set of TCMA cards in a 1978 set called "Stars of the 60's" - i thought this would be of interest as the 63 Fleer is a vintage set on most traders want lists-so if i win this set i can feel like i am sending out 60's Fleer cards to traders!--Linda ================= Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:52:33 -0500 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Missing 63 Fleer = 1978 TCMA Set???? From: Dan Austin I have a ton of dupes from the TCMA stars of the 60's set. If anyone would like some, please LMK... At 09:18 PM 3/22/02, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote: >hi this is Linda- i read something interesting in the description of an ebay >item ( # 1813791442) which may be of interest- apparently the rest of the 63 >Fleer set -- or pictures taken by Fleer in the 60's that didn't show up on >cards--showed up on a set of TCMA cards in a 1978 set called "Stars of the >60's" - i thought this would be of interest as the 63 Fleer is a vintage set >on most traders want lists-so if i win this set i can feel like i am sending >out 60's Fleer cards to traders!--Linda ================= Subject: Attn: 1956 back variation collectors Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 22:17:51 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden I've got a batch of assorted backed (white and grey) cards for 1956 Topps, and I'd like to send some out to people, with initial preference to those poor souls who are looking for both variations. Send me your lists and I'll see what I can do, then I'll post what's left ... OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 08:51:43 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: FINALLY! From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Some great news from the Thomas household. 77 days after he arrived three months early, the newest member of Red Sox Nation, Kevin James Thomas, came home yesterday morning and is just fine! He has actaully doubled his birth weight and now weighs in at a whopping 5 and a half pounds--a far cry from son #2's birthweight of over 10 pounds, but he is getting there. He has a few liver irregularities and some other minor premie issues but all of which he will outgrow with time! He is basically an 11 week old newborn: sleeping, eating, pooping and crying! It feels great to be a complete family again!! Thanks once again for all the thoughts and prayers. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:13:00 EST Subject: KSU Golden Flashes To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Back in December I extolled the virtues of my alma mater, the Mount Union Purple Raiders, as they took the Division III football title. Well, tonight I can root for my second academic home, the Kent State Golden Flashes, as they continue their unlikely Cinderella trip in the NCAA tournament. Hard to imagine, since Kent has never been much of a sports haven. They will need a little luck against the Hoosiers - but then again, they beat them in the first round last year........ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1980 Topps - Help Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:45:24 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" The other day I decided to go through my 1980 Topps set. Much to my dismay I found that it was missing 3 cards. The good news is the missing cards are all commons. Anyone out there in OBCland have a #690 (T. John), #68 (L. Harlow) or #528 (A. Devine). Thanks Bob W... ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:22:46 EST Subject: Trivia Questions, Any Answer? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I was just sent some packs of "Conlon Collection" cards. Does anyone know if the Conlon Collection a one year wonder? I also received an unopened 1987 Topps pack that has gum in it. Does anyone know the statute of limitations for eating stale gum without risking gastritis? Does anyone know when Topps stopped using gum? Was Topps gum made by Bazooka? Yeah.... it's a slow Saturday. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:01:28 EST Subject: RE: V2002 Goodbye Holy Cow??? CONFIRMED CLOSED!!! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Phil Sent me this note and it has been confirmed by Mike...a sad day ... ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Re: OBC hats Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:29:24 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" You are right -- here is my original idea.... Lets get 150 hats (enough for everyone) , then send them out in groups of 10 or 20 to people around the country. Sending them out in large groups will reduce some of the shipping costs and the time involved sending out 130separate packages. More importantly, it will serve to encourage local meetings. I scaled back my original idea because of the potential costs involved. I'd like to start a discussion about paying for the hats. I was given one at the National in Atlanta but I would have paid for it. I can chip inmoney towards hats for others but I can't afford to finance (or pay for) the whole project. But I don't mind coordinating it and putting out the effort Also since the National is our largest "organized" meeting, I figured that would be as good a deadline as any. Since the National is in Chicago this year, it seems like lots of people who haven't been to the other Nationals now get their chance. If it were possible, I'd get the hats ready fordistribution at V02 !! To everyone: So far I've heard from just one person who can help with making the hats but several people who want a hat. I really need the groups help in locating a business that can help us make the hats. Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:02:06 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net Subject: Re: OBC hats How about making hats available to order all of us, not just those attending the National? I would think that the price would be cheaper for a larger order. I know your suggestion wasn't just that you could only get a hat if you were going to the National. But, I've been in OBC a little over four years and I don't think I've ever been presented with the opportunity to order a From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: OBC hats I think it would be great if we can get some more OBC hats made up in time for distribution at the National. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:40:24 EST Subject: T-205 Moran stray line To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com T-205 collectors, variation nuts, and others... There are days when I feel fortunate to have a quick eye when it comes to cards I need, esp. Phillies. About 6 months ago, at a show, a local dealer friend (Paul) had just bought a bunch of new t-205s. I picked through them and came across a Moran. I own nearly 30 Morans incl. all backs except Drum and Hindu. I had never seen a stray line version but when I turned it over, I was shocked to see one. The card was marked $15, I gave him $25 for the Moran and another T-205 common. I did tell him that it was rare. He said it booked for $300 but was only into it for half of what it was marked. I was very pleased. (as a side note, this variation was not listed anywhere until 1985, then not mentioned again until 1992). Got it home and filed it away. I always check morans and buys several a year off ebay on speculation that i might get lucky. Today, I saw the first stray line moran on ebay. Now, the rarity really comes into play. In the past three years I have seen four Gray with stats, 2 Hoblitzell no stats, three hindu, one drum, 5 wallace one line 1910 stats. The moran is very rare!! How rare, check out the listing (mine is in better condition) and the bid history, some big hobby names and t-205 collectors there... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813160705 ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Looking for your thoughts Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:30:55 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- OK, I'm a little late chiming in, but I must say I agree with Ken on the cut-off date. If I had to pick a date out of the blue, I would have included 1981, just because it was an important year in cards with the advent of competition. Plus it was kind of fun to chase those stupid errors around. I still have a bunch of those cards somewhere, not to mention about 50 1981 Fleer Padres Ozzie Smith cards for some reason (anybody want one? please?). Either way, I think our cutoff date is fine and I would hate to add newer stuff to our fetish. Like Ken said, there are other outlets for that. If OBC becomes that outlet, it will start looking like SCD does now. Just my thoughts.... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 8:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Looking for your thoughts > In a message dated 3/9/02 5:15:19 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > << To wit: Since the definition of what defines "old baseball cards" is > inherently ever changing, I was thinking of proposing a moving date as > the newest cards able to be posted on our wantlists. I thought that > maybe 25 years would be enough to consider a card "old." Therefore, > in January 2006 we can start posting 1981 cards, in January 2007 we > can start posting 1982 cards, etc. The "25" number is an arbitrary > selection of mine. Certainly it could be a different number at issue, > for example, 20 years or 30 years. I bring this up now to begin > discourse on the subject. >> > I think the date is set more to define a turning point in the hobby, > than a certain amount of years. There was basically only one card > company until Fleer and Donruss broke onto the scene in 1981. Now while > are sets I collected along the same lines as some of the first sets I ever > collected as a kid (I started in 1977, which is probably later than quite > few people in the group), I will never really consider them to be equal to > the Topps sets of the same era... and even some of the early 80's Topps > aren't real high on my list of favs. Worse yet, eventually as time went > all the overproduced GARBAGE (to remain PC about it) from the early 90's > would eventually be included in our realm of discussion. For some reason I > can never picture myself getting all geeked up about getting a 1992 > card in the mail with the same fervor as a 1967 high number... but that's > just me. The way I see it, those cards that 'become old' will still just > UV cards with some history behind them. I'm sure if I put out a wantlist > 1990 Score, I'd have 6 complete sets by the end of the month. I don't > that this would actually be a good thing - now owning six more complete > that everyone else was sick of looking at and/or broke up to use as > material. Also, consider the way I collect the UV sets on my list now > I'll admit there's plenty of UV stuff on my list). These sets are still > in boxes - certainly not in a binder and pages. If you visited my house, > not going to proudly show my 1982 Fleer set to you - big whoop. My guess > you'd be more interested in something I took a few years to finish and > searched for card by card ...not somethnig I picked up at a garage sale > $5 (and got ripped off for that price). There's PLENTY of trading groups > there for post 1980 cards. There's even a UV server in our own group - one > that I can see getting a larger following as the years pass, but NOT one > would eventually include EVERYONE reading this note (is anyone still > this note, BTW?) Sure the Heritage sets and Archives sets are really cool > looking, but do I think they deserve the same treatment as my 1975 mini > Frankly, no - produced scarcity, serially numbered rookie cards and other > recent tactics thought up by card companies only reflect a different > of today's 'collector' - not one that I had as a kid and not one that I > should ever be present in this group. I can't imagine sending someone a > and getting berated because it has 60/40 centering and a slightly dinged > corner - because it's SOO much worse that the rest of the set. And another > thing: I don't have a clue sometimes when people are talking about new > Like Greg mentioned on the Thanks server recently regarding his wife's > reaction to his collection - I just nod and smile "Gee, that's nice." One > the reasons I don't buy a price guide is that everything that interests me > fits on the first two pages, while the stuff I could care less about takes > the next 67 pages. I already retain enough useless information without > to add what amounts to 20-30 TIMES that. Anyway, before my cards get too > older, that's my take on the situation. Thanks for reading. TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:23:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Free Fantasy Baseball From: "jimbo777777" Howdy folks, I've started another free league at Sandbox. Similar to this one - free, uses a salary cap - but NO limit on trades, other than meeting weekly deadline (Bash Bro, that's for you!). Also, no pitchers, which negates the annoying Pedro/Unit maneuverings. If you're interested, go to: http://www.sandbox.com/baseball/prot-doc/home.jsp Click on "Heavy Hitters", and after registering, join a private league. The league name is "Valley Cats", and the password is stomper ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1813662340: Reduced! Carl Yastrzemski 1978 Topps #40 card Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:27:26 PST From: tknowles@mocc.com According to the description of this card that books in the 2 dollar range, the seller has been "offered good money" for this card....I hate it when somebody offers me bad money... :P Title of item: Reduced! Carl Yastrzemski 1978 Topps #40 card Starts: Mar-16-02 21:01:57 PST Ends: Mar-23-02 21:01:57 PST Price: Starts at $15.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1813662340 Item Description: This card is in NM-MNT condition according to many collectors I have showed this to. I have been offered good money for this card! This is a PSA-7 Grade I will pay the shipping to the winning bidder. E-mail with any questions. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 20:42:26 EST Subject: Re: Attn: 1956 back variation collectors To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/02 2:37:22 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << I've got a batch of assorted backed (white and grey) cards for 1956 Topps, and I'd like to send some out to people, with initial preference to those poor souls who are looking for both variations. Send me your lists and I'll see what I can do, then I'll post what's left ... I was at the Ft. Washington show recently looking for the last two variations remaining on my 1956 variation list. One is Rizzuto, so he's readily available for a small fortune. The other is #127 Willie Jones - a Phillie. Since the show is in Ft. Washington, there's also plenty of Phillies to be seen. I happened to get into a conversation with a dealer when I asked to see the back of a Willie Jones he had on display. He informed me that he had a friend who had just completed the variations after searching for FIFTEEN YEARS for one card - the last card? Willie Jones. If ANYONE has a 1956 Topps #127 printed on gray stock, I'd be willing to trade handsomely for it.... and for the Rizzuto while I'm at it. PLEASE LMK if you have one, even if it's not available for trade. Maybe the card was pulled from production because Willie didn't like how he looked in white? TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:07:49 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 321 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/23/02 2:37:22 PM, jdelott@aol.com writes: << I was just sent some packs of "Conlon Collection" cards. Does anyone know the Conlon Collection a one year wonder? I also received an unopened 1987 Topps pack that has gum in it. Does anyone know the statute of limitations for eating stale gum without risking gastritis? Does anyone know when Topps stopped using gum? Was Topps gum made by Bazooka? According to my thick book, Conlons were issued from 1991-1995, with the numbering picking up from the previous year. The total number of cards is around 1430 (not including promos, colorized cards and whatever gimmicks they decided to include). I was thinking about starting this set myself at some point. Steve Rittenberg handed me most of the first series (1-330) and I have a big group lot from 990-1320. I only know thins because I happened to stumble upon them today while rooting through some boxes I hadn't looked at in a long time (just to see what has been laying around my desk for so long). As of this writing however, I'm slightly sickened by the prospect of adding anouther 800 cards to my UV list, so I'll probably let the box collect some dust for a while. There is a statute of limitation on the gum (despite what some people may claim). The good news is that I don't think 1987 Topps is out of code yet I tried sampling some 1983 gum a couple years ago and I'm still alive to tell you about it - and I will. This stuff is NASTY. It has no flavor and practically dissolves in your mouth, so you're left with a fraction of something you can actually chew. Like Rick says about his cool pix - "You don't have to, but you can". Topps suspended putting gum into pack around 1990. They recently brought it back in their 'Heritage' issues (new players on old style cards), but the gum is wrapped in cellophane - posibly for an even LONGER shelf life, but they'll probably say it has something to do with the USDA regulations concerning putting a 'food' product in with the cards. I was always under the impression that Topps made Bazooka gum, but that might be one of the many misconceptions I had as a kid - I remember buying 'super packs' in the late 70's/early 80's (I think the real term is rack packs or jumbo packs, but I forget which they actually came in) that had Bazooka gum included instead of the small stick of 'Topps' gum. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 21:12:07 EST Subject: Correction To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, Sorry for the bombardment of e-mails (I'm making up for a slight period of silence ), but I misrepresented my wantlist in my shameless plea for the last variation on my 1956 Topps list. I need the Willie Jones with a *WHITE* back. I'll be quiet for now... at least until I start reading the Thanks Digest :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 23:09:07 EST Subject: Bad news for V02 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com The rumor is true. The end of the line for the Bovine. Holy Cow is closed. Rick's credit card is safe. Those who have been to the Vegas eVents know that it is ALL about tradition. One of those traditions has been the traditional lunch before the game at Holy Cow. As well as eating and drinking (OK, the mango beer was not a good idea) we also traditionally pooled our money to play the Mega Bucks machine. So, despite my untraditional early planning for the eVent, we will have to make changes to the official (as it gets) agenda. With the wedding on Sunday, we could perhaps have the lunch at Hooters (site of the traditional closing ceremonies) and fit in a trip to the card shop to save time on Sunday (darn, that Jack in the Box has such good breakfast). Another possibility would be to have the lunch at the ESPN Zone at New York New York. The world will never be the same. Rest Well, (may the Cow rest well) ================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 05:39:21 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Biographical Data/ UV comment/ polls From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: 24 Mar 2002 11:48:38 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Poll ends 4-3-02. Email votes aren't counted (sorry). What's your fav reg issue Topps set from the 70s? o 1970 o 1971 o 1972 o 1973 o 1974 o 1975 o 1976 o 1977 o 1978 o 1979 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: 24 Mar 2002 11:52:56 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the OBC-Ramblings group: Poll ends 4-3-02. Email votes aren't counted (sorry). Which is your LEAST fav reg issue Topps set of the 70s? o 1970 o 1971 o 1972 o 1973 o 1974 o 1975 o 1976 o 1977 o 1978 o 1979 To vote, please visit the following web page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/polls Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web site listed above. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:49:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Shoe is on the other foot From: "mikesportsfan" About a week ago, I sent a post, lamenting that my trading was falling off, because so few had stuff to help me out. Additionally, I had stuff for others, but did not feel I could get much reciprocity and did not think it was fair to "bury" someone who could not reciprocate to some degree. I received about 10-15 personal comments to that post. Opinions ranged from, "I agree exactly" to "I have been in OBC a few years. I stopped trying to figure out who I owe and who owes me a while a go. What goes around comes around. I am sure I owe some and others would owe me. We help each other." A couple offered the advice, that I could send out small packages, not expecting any payback. Do not bury anyone. (This is the path, I had been shifting to recently anyway). A couple also commented that on large ticket items, it was ok to try and prearrange a trade (again something I had been doing more of recently). Unfortunately, after the latest round of trades, I do not have as many high ticket items to worry about. For those that have read my Thanks post from this weekend and last week as well, they may realize the shoe is now on the other foot. I received such valuable packages, I may not be able to properly reciprocate. Brock, Brett, Kevin Martens, Stve Rittenberg, all have lists that I may not be able to help much anymore. This is after pulling a couple hundred cards for Kevin, 52 Bowman stars to Brett and a myriad of 1960s Topps inserts for Brock (WE are goign to make him add more sets for us to hit). I will have to make sure I try and even up the score with these guys (I apologize if I have missed others. PLEASE LMK if you feel I also owe you). I am not talking about having to go $ for $, I do not keep that close track, just the general feeling of making sure I help someone who helps me or least replenished there dupe box (Brock is excellent at letting me do that with higher $ cards). I am not sure if my opinions have changed since last week, but I wanted others to know, that I also knows how it feels to have the shoe on the other foot. Thanks to all who have allowed me to be in their debt for their tremendous assistance this past week and sicne joining OBC. Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A few misc availables... Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:48:59 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" Here are a few things that have sat in piles for way too long. Let me know what you need... 67 Posters #2 Campaneris, #4 Agee, #7 Howard Autographs on index cards Buck Leonard Enos Slaughter George Kell Bob Doerr Conlon Collection Color Masters...almost 8x10 color card....t3 style John McGraw Nap Lajoie Home Run Baker Let me know... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: Subject: 1956 Back variations Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:06:38 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" You asked if anyone had Willie Jones #127. I have the card in both white and gray. I've had them for awhile and I don't remember any problem finding the card. Sometimes they just elude you though. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:17:58 EST Subject: Fwd: M116's To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com From: OTWCards@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:13:39 EST Subject: Re: M116's To: CardClctor@aol.com In a message dated 3/24/02 3:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, CardClctor > Scott, > The natives are getting restless. Please get back to me ASAP about the > lot... or at least LMK when I can pass along more info. Do you want me to > send out your e-mail to the group and they can contact you directly? > Ken M Actually just got back from White Plains... I may be working a trade with some of the extras. You can forward my e-mail to the natives. If this deal falls through, I'll give them first shot at the material that I won't be holding on to. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 17:24:15 EST Subject: I've waited a long time for this To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, An interesting eBay story happened to me this weekend. To set up this situation, we have to go back to late August of 1998 when a new eBay bidder (me) bid on and won a 1953 Topps Yogi Berra (at least I think that's what it was). Anyway, the card was graded EX and I had bid on the card for a friend of mine, who didn't have computer access (or at least pretended not to have any). Payment was sent and positive feedback was left by the seller for me. When I got the card however, it wasn't the described condition that was listed in the auction. My friend decided to keep the card anyway and paid me for it. I posted a neutral feedback stating (more or less) that the card was overgraded, but that it was still acceptable to my buddy. Not only did I get a retaliatory NEGATIVE for this (remember, this was back in the day when you could get more than one feedback comment for a transaction and in some cases you didn't even need to complete a transaction to leave feedback), but I also got a phone call from this guy explaining to me that a neutral feedback SUBTRACTS from your overall total (which if you had bothered to read the FAQ on eBay, you'd know this to be false). The worst part of this was the comment he left: "Ken, read my listings, 7 day return policy! why scar my feedback!! send it back!" To this day, this negative has remained the only blemish on my 215+ rating total (along with a neutral from a user no longer registered). I scarred HIS feedback?!? Grrrr. Fast forward to last week (just four short years later), when I discovered a lot of 17 T205's that had been altered with a purple marker. I had purchased a similar lot of six the week before from the same seller and they were extremely nice looking. I needed ten cards in the lot and there were three or four minor leaguers plus a Marquard. I bid rather strongly on the lot and managed to win it as well. This afternoon, I got an e-mail from r337man@yahoo.com wanting to know if one of the T205's I won in the lot (Fischer) was for sale. I immediately recognized r337man as the SAME person who was responsible for that negative I got (He's since changed his eBay ID, but it matches the one that was bidding against me on the lot I won). I simply replied that the Fischer was on my wantlist and it wasn't for sale. Boy, I would've loved to rub it in his face if I didn't need the card though. I wouldn't have sold it to him if I had fifty of them in my dupes box... I did manage to get a small measure of revenge. How sweet it is. TAYL, Ken M - PS - Spike Glidden has come up with the elusive white back Jones for my 56 set. Thanks to everyone who offered to help out... or console me :-) ================= Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:48:08 EST Subject: lame show To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com well gang, i have been going to card shows for about 20 years now and today i hit the worst one i have evr been to, the pastime productions show at hofstra university. this is normally a good show (it used to be great) but it was up against the east coast national and was practically deserted. i tried just wandering in but a security guard asked me for my hand stamp, so i forked over my 8 bucks (at 2:25 pm mind you). about 40-45 tables (and far fewer customers) and with the exception of two dealers, everybody was selling memorabilia or post 2000 cards. one dealer had nothing but 2001 and 2002 cards. of the two vintage dealers, one had a pretty good selection but nothing i needed (or could afford, limited funds today) and the other had some cool stuff, including oddball topps singles, but all NM and expensive. i was about to go request a refund of the admission when i saw the guy's bargain box. after some digging , i came up with a 63 7th series checklist (officially starting that set soon) a nice 53 bowman color hodges (beautiful photo and in VG-EX to boot) a 55 kaline (also not too bad) and a 56 clemente that was VG-ish save for a punch hole through the card number, all heavily marked down and subsequently chewed down further by yours truly. well, it was a crappy show (sad, really) but i picked up a couple of nice cards at i'm going to go for the 56-64 topps sets pretty soon, as i already have nice starter lots for 60-64 and a few 56's. also going to go for the 53 bowmans i think, as i have some of the more expensive cards already (sadly, not the musial, which i sold off years ago). i figure when i complete the 67 and 68 sets i'll add the 60-64's and just work backward from there. my 52-54 topps sets are reprints, but what the hey, they were reissued by topps at least! ================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 03:54:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball Weekend From: "larryobc" Thursday afternoon my youngest son Casey (now 16) and I drove south to catch some spring training games. Thursaday PM we saw the Yankees play the KC Royals at the Royals home park in Baseball City. All the box seats were sold out so we sat in the outfield bleachers. The Yanks won 7-4. Giambi, I thought he was chubby but he looked to be in real good shape. The Royals are moving their spring training grounds to Arizona next year. Saw Orlando Hernandez throw 5 innings. We spent the night at a Hampton Inn and I was up early the next morning and drove 30 minutes to Winter Haven to purchase Braves vs Indians at the Indians home park. I was first in line when the ticket booth opened, but again all box seats were sold out. So we sat along the left field line. The Indians won the game 9-2 I was most impressed with the Braves CF Andruw Jones. I never liked the way he so casually caught routine fly balls. But after seeing him in person he is a very outstanding player in the field. Plus I watched him sign autographs until the last possible minute, and then when he left he tossed his wristbands and batting gloves out to the fans. It was like 81 wonderful degrees and very sunny, perfect! Then Casey and I drove back home about a 4 hour drive. But a fantastic couple of days with my son. ================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 01:31:16 EST Subject: Off to Great Britian To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Will be leaving for London this wednesday, wont be back until the 6th. Hoping to meet up with Glenn in Scotland as well. Take care- ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: T218s and similar cards Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:09:22 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Wayne Delia generously gave me most of the T218s he had when we met up at Fort Washington. Who is working on this set? I know that Ed Pike, George Altemose and Mark Talbot have lists. Anyone else? Also, if you are working on (or have extras from) T219, T220 or T225, let me know. I am just starting out on these sets but might have some for you. For those who don't know, these are all "non-sport" sets made up of famous atheletes (mostly track & field and boxers). Thanks for reading. ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: T77 Lighthouse Series Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:03:46 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I bought a huge lot of these at the recent Fort Washington, PA show and got47 of the 50 cards for the set. I have about 50 or 60 extras which I'd like to trade for other non-sport tobacco cards. Let me know if you are interested. Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: '67 Clemente Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 12:12:08 -0500 From: "John Collins" If anyone is collecting the '67 set and has a need for an OBC condition Clemente #400, I have the opportunity to pick one up for $10. Let me know, and first dibs will get it. Whoever wants it can either pay me the $10 or Iwill be glad to trade for any common lots I need out of any of my listed sets. John C. Collins ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Not for the faint of heart Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 19:16:35 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Last week I broke down and bought a webcam. Anyone using Yahoo Messenger can let me know and you can see what I look like. I'm available for scaring small children, haunting houses and the "before" picture for diet programs. Steve Rittenberg yahoo id sritenberg ================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 01:07:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Good News (for a change) From: "rayluurs" Usually when i start rambling it is a method for me to vents some frustration and some of you are kind to even read me feeling sorry for myself and offer help or encouragement. But Monday I got off to a good start(for me at least) FIRST i got a 58 Mickey Mantle all star card plus a 52 topp of george strickland, 59 don larson and 30 61's for about 45.00 on ebay. Then I saw the card of the century but refused to bid on it as fellow OBCer Spike had the winning bid until there was 1 minute and 20 seconds left and someone sniped him. Since that happened I put in a bid with about 35 seconds in and won the 58 #150 Mickey Mantle ( they said it was worn I liek to say it it was loved) While I felt sorry for spike not getting after holding bid for so long I know that I would never hold a card like that in better shape Like the ryan rookie card in mint condition and the wagner card just slightly out of my price range. Also on Monday for thsoe that followed I got my son back. While they have ruled it was a single issue episode and probably wont happen again we need to montitor him and let him know that there is help for him when every he gets that low again. I must admit after this weekend it was like being introduced to a long lost friend (my problem I didnt know he was gone.....until it was almost too late) Last but not least tomorrow my wife Kris and I will celebrate our 20th anniversary. Not bad for two people who new each other for two weeks before I asked her to marry me (she did take two months to do research on which hospital would let this unstable man out on the ussuspecting community) and another two months to find a justice of peace who had time to do the job....Knowing my quirks, it is nice to know that someone still can put up with my antics after all these years. 20 years ago I told people I married my best friend and present I still hold that belief and although we had many trials and tribulation of money and child rearing I can still say i am married to my best friend. After all only you guys know how only a saint can put up with their spouses spending habits of cardboard and still let them sleep in the house:-) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Loo-ie !! Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 20:25:42 -0500 From: "John Collins" For any Red Sox fans or other fans of "El Tiante" this is an interesting website. I did not know it existed and found it by accident: http://www.eltiante.com/index.htm Enjoy ! John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lengths we go to Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 17:59:34 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Saturday, I went to the Tacoma Dome Show. It is held 3 times a year, only once a year is it a full show with national dealers. The other times they pair up with a coin show. This was one of the small ones. I met 3 old OBCers, well Mark Macrea is really a member that doesn't trade and full time dealer star. Shawn Draper and Pete Brito being the others set up at the show. Found some ok deals and a good bargian box or two, other the binder guy ... no prices until the deal is made then the book comes out and he quotes you $5 off high book for the lot. The baseball signers were a no show. The local football heroes and also former congressman Steve Largent and Jim Zorn were there but $40 or $60 for a auto was too rich for my blood. Zorn's line was too long so I will have to live without the auto's this Sunday we loaded in the car and took a ferry and another 25 mile drive to Mike Dee A Mont Tee's Coffee shop and pie cafe. The place was pretty busy so I could only harrass Mike a little. I paid for some Ebay and picked up some cards, pie and coffee to go and the women tasted wine next door. Drove the long way home to end a nice day. Big Al in Seattle Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:25:56 EST Subject: A Rough Month To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Well to tell the truth some months are rougher than others, but this one is starting out pretty well. I just returned from a 6 day business trip to the Florida keys and Puerto Rico. I worked through the weekend like I have for most weekends this year, but somehow working in 80 degree weather under the palm trees doesn't seem so bad. I leave Thursday night for 19 days in Australia. This one is vacation with my oldest son. He has just finished 27 months working in Indonesia (he's an accountant with Pricewaterhouse). We're meeting in Sydney, going to Cairnes for a few days on a boat on the great barrier reef, then on to Darwin and Kakadu to play Crocodile Dundee(or at least see where he played). Then we fly to Adelaide in the South of Australia where I'll try to catch up with former OBCer Neil Holbrook. We plan on driving the 1000 miles from Adelaide to Sydney in about a week and maybe play a few of Australia's golf courses. Not bringing my laptop, but maybe I'll catch a few of those internet cafe's to keep in touch. My wife went to Indonesia for 3 weeks last fall so she's staying home with my daughter-in-law and grandson while the older boys play. A welcome vacation which I'm very much looking forward too. Haven't been away from the wife for this long since 1991 when my son and I spent a month in Korea and China (except last fall when she was gone). If you don't hear from me you now understand why. I'll catch up with the baseball season after I get back. - ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Tuesday night waiver Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 22:37:14 -0500 From: "John Collins" Hi all, Haven't done a waiver wire in awhile, so tonight I dipped my hand into the old dupes box and have brought back the following. First come, first serve: 1956 Topps: 123 (vg) 1959 Topps: 5, 164, 449, 483 (all about vg) 1975 Topps: 1 - Aaron Record Breaker (vg-ish) If you are interested in any of these, please let me know before 10 am on Wednesday. I will be leaving town after then, and to be quite honest, by the time I get back next week I will have forgotten who wanted what. Hope everybody is doing well, John C. Collins ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC Mantle Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 23:22:54 -0500 From: "John Collins" Here is a '53 Topps Mantle that has to wind up in an OBC collection... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1815180810 Good luck, John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 21:43:35 -0800 Subject: MARK TALBOT From: Peter Iversen Hello all - I have tried a couple of times to send an e-mail to Mark and it has been bounced back - I tried this address talbot1@home.com Does anyone have any idea if he has a new address...?? The error message makes it look like the HOME.COM server is down since I get a "Server Unknown" message. MARK - are you out there - can you hear me...?? I need to communicate about adding the new members to the OBC servers... If anyone can help please give me a shout... Thanks! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: eBay item 1815395145 (Ends Mar-30-02 100018 PST ) - 1916 BURKE & BRACE CARD CHI Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:17:47 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have a fuzzy memory of someone recently telling me that they were searching for Gandil cards but I can't remember who it was. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1815395145 ================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:42:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MARK TALBOT To: Peter Iversen From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT HELLO EVERYBODY!!!!

    For those of you that did not pick up on my email address change a few months ago it is talbot1@comcast.net.  I will change the info on my want list web page, that was simply an oversight.  Grant has been informed and the directory should be updated to reflect the new address and the email link from the OBC web page is already working properly.  Thanks for your diligence in reaching me Peter and I will get the new members enrolled on the mail servers.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
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================= To: grains@dccnet.com Subject: OBC - Info change Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 10:20:17 -0500 From: "James Moleta" I am getting married next month and as such will have a new mailing address & phone number: James Moleta 3301 Flowers Rd South, Apt E Atlanta, GA 30341 home ph# 678-547-0711 Correspondence can be sent to this address immediately, as my fiance already lives there. Please include this info with the next Directory update you send out. Thanks! Take it easy, Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:00:40 +0800 Subject: availables From: " john harrell" Haven't done one of these in a while so here goes. As always FCFS. Enjoy!! 54 Bowman: 3 76 60 Topps: 5 65 Topps: 14 23 27 48 63 83 87 93 102 117 156 159 182 188 239 324 345 366 66 Topps: 2 16 29(2) 37 38(3) 42(2) 47(2) 53 61 64 65(2) 77 102 111 115 122(2) 140 152 159(2) 164 186 279 441 69 Topps Deckle: 23(3) 72 Topps: 447(Stargell) 77 Topps: 480(Yaz) 1954 Topps Scoop cards: 20 24 26 35 46 49 74 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 00:01:08 +0800 Subject: availables From: " john harrell" Haven't done one of these in a while so here goes. As always FCFS. Enjoy!! 54 Bowman: 3 76 60 Topps: 5 65 Topps: 14 23 27 48 63 83 87 93 102 117 156 159 182 188 239 324 345 366 66 Topps: 2 16 29(2) 37 38(3) 42(2) 47(2) 53 61 64 65(2) 77 102 111 115 122(2) 140 152 159(2) 164 186 279 441 69 Topps Deckle: 23(3) 72 Topps: 447(Stargell) 77 Topps: 480(Yaz) 1954 Topps Scoop cards: 20 24 26 35 46 49 74 ================= To: Subject: Near Disaster Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 09:07:37 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Well Guys and Gals: Since St. Al and his family visited me Sunday, the cat is now officially out of the bag and I must 'fess up to my new career, before Big Al gives his slant on it. Since November I have been working towards being a coffee distributor for a local roaster, whose coffee I have long admired and enjoyed. My new career has kicked off and I am now the owner/distributor for "Island Coffee Ltd." of Whidbey Island. I market 3 different coffees and will likely add two more for a total of five. What does this have to do with baseball, you might ask? Well, for one thing, all the great ballplayers charged up on Folgers or Lion coffee before games (not to mention other powerful liquids), and besides that, St. Al picked up some cards Sunday from me thathe had bought, so I thought I would mention St. Al's visit. Besides marketing killer-fresh coffee, I am now working as a morning barista at the "Whidbey Pies Cafe" in Greenbank, WA. The cafe is in an almost 100year-old farm building complex known as the Greenbank Farm. The Greenbank Farm, nestled on nearly 700 acres, was saved from hungry developers about 6 years ago, and is turning into a meeting place for locals, visitors and drop-ins. It started as a hobby farm in 1910 for a rich Seattle business manand has long had a wine-tasting room where you can sample Puget Sound wines from at least 12 superb, regional wine producers. The farm actually produced loganberry wine and other related products, but over time that production dropped off. New loganberry starts have been introduced and wine will eventually be made in the near future. Now the complex has a renovated, remodeled, 650 sq. ft. cafe where the specialty is coffee and pie. A good friend of mine, Jan Gunn, has been making homemade fruit pies for 16 years (loganberry, marionberry, apple, cherry, blueberry) - supplying some of Seattle's more expensive grocery stores with her product. She was approached bythe farm to open a pie and coffee restaurant, and she approached me when she heard I was doing coffee - the cafe features homemade soup and bread, Jan's pies, and my coffee. We are open every day from 8 AM to 4 PM. I work most of the day serving drinks and food. Enter St. Al and his family Sunday..... Weekends are our busiest time - St. Al and his wife Dottie and daughter Michelle and a friend arrived during the rush. And they arrived just in time to give me an order for complicated drinks. Sweat pooling under my eyes, I went to work. They glared at me from their table - I sweated - this was going to be a big test. St. Al kept the insults coming, I got them their pieand drinks. Finally, after 20 minutes had elapsed and most of the rush was over, I strolled over to see how they were doing. They were smiling, theyliked everything, they said. Now here comes the scary part....Thinking ita good idea, I said: "You know Al, now that you are canonized, sort of, perhaps you could bless the cafe for us, give it your official blessing, so to speak." A hue and cry of biblical proportions went up from the table as Dottie and the two girls waved their hands in the international distress language and moaned over and over-- NO! You don't want that!! NO! Don't ask him to do that!!! I was stunned! Clearly this was a bad idea...Al's entire entourage was beseeching me to withdraw my request, which I did rather quickly...Wow, good thing I'm not superstitious like ballplayers are. I did,however, sprinkle coffee grounds around the outside of the building, just to make sure.... Mike (that's MEESTAH BAREESTAH to you, buddy) Diamanti ================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:42:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Odd request - card images From: "david_skoglund_mn" I have a fairly odd request. I'm looking for high quality scans of four particular cards from the 1952 Topps set. 22 Dom DiMaggio 159 Saul Rogovin 196 Solly Hemus 289 Tommy Holmes The reason: I have a 1952 Topps reprint set, but these four cards weren't reprinted for that set. There was an additional card that wasn't reprinted (Billy Loes) but was included in the Dodgers Arcives Anyway, if anyout out there has access to these cards and a scanner let me know. I'd need scans of the fronts and backs of the card. It would probably help if you have a CD burner since these images be large in high resolution. I have a decent printer and I want to print out fake versions of these cards to place in the album with the rest of the set. ================= Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 21:39:32 -0500 Subject: TEST for NEW MEMBERS!!! To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com, From: Mark S Talbot Hello Everyone, This a test of the yahoo group mail specifically for ROOKIES Suzanne "Sassy" Schoenrock, Brian Dwyer and Larry Gersbach. You should all be receiving this message (4) times - once from each mail server. If you get these messages then please contact me at talbot1@comcast.net and I will know that you are truly enrolled on all (4) group mail accounts. If I don't hear from you then I will assume that there is a problem so please respond. For all you VETS out there it's a test for you as well. As usual report any problems to me and I will try to correct them. WELCOME TO OUR NEW MEMBERS!!!! Happy Trading. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * ================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 13:43:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: 4 FOR TWO SETS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman I AM DOWN TO 4 CARDS TO FINISH TWO SETS. I NEED # 469 IN 1976 AND #'S 141, 618, & 638 TO FINISH THE 1975 SET. ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED. JOHN STORMAN Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:29:52 EST Subject: Just Had To Share This With Ya'll To: obc-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MatShirley@aol.com And a big wink out to Geno! Gotta love it! Semper Fi, The following is an excerpt from an email home from an Air Force ordnance demolition unit team member describing his first night at Kandahar airport: "One of the perimeter positions only a hundred yards or so to our left took some incoming fire and we all went to general quarters, taking defensive fighting positions in our bivouac in case they penetrated to our position. The Marines quickly repelled the attack. It will not bother me should I live my entire life without having to kill a man but I have to say I'm glad to be surrounded by a thousand 19 year-old Marines who can't wait to. They will be leaving in a few weeks and turning over the base to the Army. I will miss them. "The only tents the Marines use are one-man pup tents and they are everywhere. Each foxhole and DFP (defensive fighting position) around the camp is accompanied by two of these humble little tents. "I have a renewed respect for the Marines. They arrived a month ago, dug in, and have been living out of these ridiculously small, 5 x 5 tents ever since. No heat, no latrines, no showers, nothing but backpacks, weapons, helmets and flak vests, and lots of ammo. And they've been doing it every day. Four man teams at each position, two sleeping, two on watch. God bless them every one." ================= Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:16:57 EST Subject: T206 Abstein... Red or Orange Background?? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I have two that are orange and one that is red. (background, that is) The reprint set I have looks red. Anyone else notice any variations in them or which in more common? Mark T206Guy Atnip ================= To: t206guy@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T206 Abstein... Red or Orange Background?? Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:32:29 -0500 From: "Mac Wubben" My Abstein is red. My assumption has always been that the red t206's fade to orange with light exposure (or some other type of weathering). Anybody else have thoughts on this? >From: t206guy@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T206 Abstein... Red or Orange Background?? >Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 20:16:57 EST >I have two that are orange and one that is red. (background, that is) The >reprint set I have looks red. Anyone else notice any variations in them or >which in more common? >Mark T206Guy Atnip Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: sale of cards Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 21:37:30 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" A co-worker of mine has recently heard the call to attend seminary. He is a true Christian, a deacon in his church and very active in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes (of course a Baseball coach). He asked if I could asist him in finding someone to buy some of cards to help pay for his seminary classes. I have enclosed a list of the cards. If you feel interested in the 1980 andbefore or the post 1980's either as a lot let me know. I would appreciate it and I know he would Thanks Bob.... 1957 Topps: 12, 29, 58, 61, 63, 64, 67, 68, 73, 74, 78, 79, 86, 87, 94, 99, 101, 104, 107, 116, 121, 124, 127, 129 137, 138(Minoso), 140, 203(Wilhelm), 230 1958 Topps: 9(Bauer), 100 (Wynn) 1961 Topps: 35 (Santo) 1970 Topps: 330 (Brock), 458 (Rose) 1973 Topps: 90 (B. Robinson), 175(3) (F. Robinson) 1974 Topps: 20 (Ryan), 50(2) (Carew), 60(2) (Brock), 80 (Seaver), 197 (WashNat'l) 212 (Fingers), 300 (Rose), 400 (Kilabrew), 601. 1975 Topps: 5(Ryan), 70 (Schmidt), 180 (Morgan), 320 (Rose), 500 (Ryan), 600(Carew) 1976 Topps: 1(3) Aaron), 150(2) Garvey), 230 (Yaz), 240(3) (Rose), 316(Yount), 345(2) (The Babe) 346(Cobb), 347(Ted W.), 355(4) (Carlton), 400 (Carew), 405(Fingers), 420(2) (Morgan) 441(Carter), 542 (Hernandez) 592(3) (Randolph), 599(Guidry), 600(2) (Seaver) 1977 Topps: 10 (Jackson), 70 (Bench), 140 (Schmidt), 110(3) (Carlton), 150(2), (Seaver), 170(Munson) 231(2) (Brett), 234(2) (Ryan), 390(3) (Winfield), 450(2)(Rose), 473(3) (Dawson), 476(4) (Murphy), 480(2) (Yaz), 488(3), 491(2), 525(3) (Eck), 600 (Palmer) 1978 Topps: 5(5) (Rose), 6(3) (Ryan), 20(4) Rose), 36 (Murray), 72(Dawson),122(3), 173(4) (Yount) 200(2) (Jackson), 270(2) Fisk), 360(2) (Schmidt), 384(3), 400(3) (Ryan), 450(3) (Seaver), 580(2) (Carew), 700 (Bench), 703(7) (Morris), 704(5) (Whitaker), 707(5) (Trammell/Molitor) 708(4) (Murphy/Parrish). 1980 Topps: 77, 720(Yaz) ----------------------------------------------------post 1980 stuff ---------------------------------------------------- 1981D: 422(2) (Seaver), 251(Rose) 1981F: 196(Bench) 1981T: 201(Bench), 315(2), 456(2) 1982F: 21 1982T: 21(2) (Ripkin-rookie), 668, 610, 766, 781, 435(Yount), 90(Ryan), 100(Schmidt), 1982D: 34(Brett), 585, 483(Murray) 1984T: 182(Straw-rookie) 1984T-T: 42T (Gooden) 1985D: 14(2) (Ripkin), 25(2) Gwynn), 27(4), 39(3), 60(2) Ryan, 61(2) (Schmidt), 63(2) (Gwynn), 169(2) (Ripkin), 172(4) (Boggs), 176(3) (Henderson), 190(2) (Gooden-rookie), 273(Clemens-rookie), 295 (Mattingly), 312(3) (Straw), 325(5) (Davis), 424(2) (Seaver), 438(3) (Puckett-rookie), 534(2),, 557(2), 581(4), 616(4) (Carter-rookie). 1985F: 34 (Gwynn), 65(Sandberg), 82 (Gooden-rookie), 93, 133(Mattingly), 151(Boggs), 187(Ripkin), 212, 236, 265(Schmidt), 321(Hersh), 425(Henderson),443(Carter-rookie) 533, 626, 627, 645, 647, 649, 652. 1985T: 23(2), 30(Ripkin), 192, 346, 401 (McGwire-rookie), 460, 500(Schmidt), 536(4) (Puckett-rookie), 570(2), 620, 627(2), 665(3) (Mattingly)694 760(4) (Ryan) Plus another 80 good cards from 1986-1992 with a lot of rookies and stars ================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:40:01 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cyberspace? From: Originaleek@webtv.net I just don't understand the complexities of the internet? I just received 2 posts that were sent to Thanks on Monday. One was from myself and one from Linda. Since I probably would not understand the answer, this is more of a rhetorical question, but I must ask; where exactly were those posts for four days? Maybe they went post-al? Were they in a black box somewhere, maybe a Yahoo computer somewhere. Maybe we are being monitored. I'm not sure I like the sound of "Web Master". I'm naturally suspicious of any one called a "Master". Maybe the cyberspace guys took a random sampling of posts, one male & one female, one from the west one from the mid-west. I think Grant should investigate. Meanwhile maybe a second cup of coffee will help. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:05:31 EST Subject: OBCAC REPORT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com The following is a summary of the recent OBCAC meeting: ITEM 1 Motion to ACCEPT THE TREASURER'S REPORT by KenMorganti, Second by David Motion Passes 4-0 For: DAngelo, Morganti,Rittenberg,Wagner Against: none Abstain: Smith ITEM 2 Motion to APPROVE DOUG SMITH AS TREASURER by KenMorganti, Second by David Motion Passes 4-0 For: DAngelo, Morganti,Rittenberg,Wagner Against: none Abstain: Smith ITEM 3 Motion to APPROVE PETER IVERSEN AS "membership guy" by KenMorganti, Second by Doug Smith Motion Passes 5-0 For: DAngelo, Morganti,Rittenberg,Smith, Wagner Against: none Abstain: none ITEM 4 Motion to APPROVE ALL 3 NEW MEMBERS by KenMorganti, Second by David Kolenda Motion Passes 5-0 For: DAngelo, Morganti,Rittenberg,Smith, Wagner Against: none Abstain: none ITEM 5 Motion to USE THE OBC TREASURY AS A DEPOSITORY FOR THE OBC CARD PROJECT by KenMorganti, Second by David Kolenda Motion Passes 4-1 For: DAngelo, Morganti,Smith, Wagner Against: Rittenberg Abstain: none ITEM 6 Motion to ALLOW posting to the "Thanks Server" for ALL cards received by KenMorganti, Second by David Kolenda Motion Defeated 4-1 For: Rittenberg Against: DAngelo, Morganti,Smith, Wagner Abstain: none ================= Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:14:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay Bidding From: "mikesportsfan" Many of you are aware that I have certain rules I try and follow when it comes to being on-line. I used to be (hopefully will not happen as much in the future) constantly behind in my E-mail. I generally did not post thanks, or ramble like I have been lately, until all of my E-mail was up to date. Similarly, I would not even look at Ebay, unless all E-mail was up to date AND all thanks posted . A couple of weeks ago we got DSL at the office and I now have AOL on on my desk most of the day. I am keeping up on the E-mail, often respoonding almost instantaneously to questions. Thanks have been posted within 48 hours (for me this is exceptional) and I have begun exploring Ebay again. In 2001, I do not believe I won a single Ebay item. This had more to do with hardly bidding, then with how little I bid. Today, I got notice that I won 2 Ebay lots. Over the weekend I had been notified of another lot I won and last week I won one. I will try to make sure I am not bidding against other OBCers and please be courteous as well. I am generally going after the oddball stuff on Ebay. The recent lots were for: 1953 Red Man, 1965 Old London Coin (Mays), 1961 Fleer World Series Decals & 1948 Leaf FB high numbers. I would imagine running up against OBCers for the Red Man, but not too often on the other items. I figure bid on the stuff OBC is less likely to help hit my lists on. Nothing worse than buying a card and then getting it in the mail 2 days later. Well, there are some things worse. The duplicate card ends up going out to an OBCer soon I bet you folks are hating my having a DSL with all of my rambles lately. I'll get tired of this soon enough and scale back, so bear with me. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:36:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: test From: "mikesportsfan" I just received a ramble that I sent a few days ago. This is a test to see when this will come through. Typed 11:34 am est on Good Friday. Happy Good Friday to all who celebrate it. Happy Passover to the fellows Jews in the group and enjoy the spring for everyone ================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:18:56 EST Subject: Wantlist changes and availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com I have made a number of substantial modifications and expansions to my wantlist lately as my interests have broadened to older and older cards. These lists are hard to hit, but I would certainly love to see and appreciate any attempts. In the meantime, my dupes binder has been filling up again and I wanted to get another availables list out. Of course, the guys I owe get first priority; but please don't be shy about asking. I hope to get some packages out during April. Here they are. Have at 'em: The following are available. Let me know if you are interested: 1952 #'s Bowman # 130f 139f 1953 #'s Topps # 22f 1954 #'s Topps # 125g(writing on back) 129g 148g(writing on front) 149g(writing on back) 154(writing on back) 196g(writing on back) 204g(writing on back) 221g(writing on back) 229g 236g(writing on back) Bowman # 4f 107p 1956 #'s Topps # 42g 1957 # 's 213vg 1960 #'s 31g 51vg 116g(o/c) 121f 131g 150f 163vg 169vg 180g 183vg 199vg 276g-vg 283g 306g-vg 329f 447g 1961 #'s 124vg 316vg 394g 444vg Golden Press #19f 1963 # 's 13g 39f 87g 131g 143g 162g-vg 202vg 1964 #'s 76vg+ (Unmarked checklist) 102vg(Unmarked checklist) 362vg(Unmarked checklist) 206vg 236g 344g 497g 1965 #'s 34g 65f(Kubek) 66g 66g 79cl g(marked) 80g 86vg 92g 113vg 132p 196g 225vg(o/c) 288f-g 305f-g 346g 447g Topps Embossed 45g 52g 1966 #'s 109g 154vg 154g 181f 1967 # 's 118vg 170f-g 173g 312g 1968 #'s 42vg 56vg 67vg (pencil marked checklist) 67vg (pencil marked checklist) 82vg 89vg 97vg 118g 135vg 156g 163vg 192 (Yastrzemski penci l marked checklist) 214vg 222g 409g 550g(C. Boyer) 566vg 567g 1969 #'s 22vg 24g(Alston) 128vg 237f 332g 349vg 621f-g 657vg Topps Deckle Edge #20vg 1970 #'s 53vg 81g 81g 89vg 98vg 151vg 159g 173g 173g 174vg 178vg 178g 188f 432f(pencil marked checklist) 504vg 564g 1971 6g 25vg 46vg 92g 92g 106vg-ex 126vg 153g 174vg 174vg 174vg 247g 274g 431g 461vg 466vg 488vg 602vg 1974 #'s 42Tvg 348T ex 544T ex 649T ex 1976 #'s 36vg 1981 Fleer #638vg (Yaz) 1982 Fleer #155ex(Yount) ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: eBay item 1814187822 (Ends Mar-25-02 182547 PST ) - 25 off-grade team-issued ph Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:53:28 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This is a lot of Jays Photos. Looks like there are some Dodger & Yankees in here plus others. I've seen a few dealers bid on it. I'm already atmy max for this lot as I doubt any will end up in my own collection. The lot ends at 9:30 EST. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1814187822 ================= Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 19:27:38 EST Subject: 80's misc wax wrappers.. save them from the trash. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Topps, Donruss OPC, SportsFlics, Leaf, Star Stickers and Popups. I know this is probaby the stupidest thing I have EVER put up, but when a friend gave me his collection a few years ago he was trying to put together a run of wax pack wrappers. I now have them but they are about 1 foot from the trashcan right now. If anyone collects wrappers, Topps, Fleer Donrus (and some odds and ends) from the 80's... let me know. We have.... 82T (3 Variations) 82 F (with rare $.27 price tag from REVCO) 82 T rack 85T (3 variations) 86 Star Stickers 87 Sportsflics (c'mon... we ALL collect these) 86 F 86 D 86 Leaf 86 O Pee Chee (2 Variations) 86 T (3 var) 87 T (3 var... we KNOW how rare these are) 87 D Pop Ups 87 D 88 D You have 34 seconds from the time I send this email. (Actually I will give you a day or so) I think these are headed to the trash but I thought I would double check. Signed... too embarrased to give my name. ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:38:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wayward Lefty looking for a good home.... From: "jimbo777777" '51 Topps Redback, Mel Parnell. Badly beaten and creased, but recognizable. Free to a good home if condition not a priority. Not for the faint of heart. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC hats Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:37:59 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The news is better than I expected. Lynn Miller has come through for us, as He has told me that we can get hats for THREE DOLLARS each. I've sent him a picture of mine and it seems we will be ordering something similar to what we already have. I told Lynn that we'd like to get 150 hats. At this price, there is no point in taking a poll of who wants a hat ---- everyone should be able to get one. I believe the best way to pay for these is to collect contributions from the group. I don't want to have the job of checking to see which of 130+ members have sent in $3 bucks. I don't think anyone else should either. Rather, how about we group together and try to raise $450 towards everyonegetting a hat. Even though I have one already, I'd like to chip in $10.Please remember that all hats we have now were paid for by the generosity of others so I am only trying to continue along this path. When I start to get some verbal pledges of support (including contributionsto a hat fund), we can go ahead and tell Lynn to have the hats made. I hope we can get a "prototype" made and inspected by Lynn before we plunk down all our money. Also, if someone with a hat and a digital camera can send Lynn a quality picture of their hat, I'd feel a bit better. If the timefor mailing weren't so long, I'd send Lynn my own hat just to make absolutely sure that the hats we are ordering are up to the same standard as the ones we have now. Oops. I doubt I ever mentioned what the hats will look like. I told Lynn that the current style of hat is fine. I think coming up with a new style will only waste time without leading to something better. The currenthat is offwhite with a blue brim. On the front is an embroidered patch with a home plate in black stitching and blue stitching with "OBC" and "Collecting the way it should be". To this message, I've attached the (low grade) picture I sent to Lynn. Note that the last round of hats had an additional patch with "20th Sports Collectors National Convention" on it. I decided to omit this. I really hope that the hat design does not require much (or any) debate. Collecting money for it may require debate. I intend to introduce a motion at the next AC meeting that we put Doug Smith, OBC Treasurer, in charge of receiving money for a hat fund. I actually have a hope that we can raise more than the $450 needed. Should that be the case, then I propose that we consider donating a portion of the surplus to the Filipino workers. If we are paying $3 / hat, you can imagine what wages the workers are getting. Imagine their surpise at getting a bonus of a days or a weeks pay? Deciding what to do with any surplus is only in the proposal stage at this point. I can't tell you how to spend your money. But I will say that if we reach a surplus, I will add in another $10 towards a bonus for the Filipino I am hoping people will be pleased with the process I've laid out and the decisions I've made. There certainly may be some "free riders" who don't contribute even $3 but still get a hat. But the alternative is to keep track of payments from 130+ people, which I think is a nightmare. There is still lots of work involved here. We need some people to thinkabout how the hats should be divided. Here is my two cents on the topic. Let's send out batches of hats to regions around the country (i.e. Northeast, NYC, Washington DC, Florida, Chicago, Northern CA, Southern CA) andthen the hats can be distributed either in person or by mail locally. ILOVE the idea of making people show up to an OBC party to get their hat but I don't see how I can force everyone else to buy in. Obviously, Glenn will have his mailed to him, unless someone else plans on seeing him in thenext few months. Oops. I left out the matter of timing. According to Lynn, production takes about 4 weeks and delivery to someone in the US may take another four weeks. Hope to hear from some of you soon. If people think a poll is an efficient way to find out if we should move forward, please set one up. ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:44:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: brush with greatness From: "rbhankins" My family and I attended a Good Friday service at our Church this evening and, as we so often do, stopped off for an elegant dining experience afterward. Halfway through my burrito, I looked up and saw former Dodger and Braves pitcher Alejandro Pena. I had met him before (he goes to the same Church), and, although he is very polite, he never has much to say. His wife, on the other hand, is quite outgoing and filled us in on their weekend plans. You know, somehow I think it's cool that this guy, who played 15 major league seasons, led the NL in ERA in 1984 with a 2.48 mark over 199+ innings, made 23 post-season appearances, got himself a a ring when the Bravos whipped the Indians in 1995, and made millions of dollars in the process, still grabs a bite with the wife and kids at Taco Bell and is excited about going to see "The Rookie." ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: stuff Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 03:49:14 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, been a while since i rambled. guess the start of the season has me wound up a bit. * congrats to our new members. you won't believe the generosity flowing through this group. * nice work by the obcac in voting down the motion to post thanks for ALL cards on our server. my opinion, with a hundred emails a day i have a hard time keeping up as it is. * since i no longer close my posts with " do you remember the feel of the candy store steps", i was thinking that maybe the rest of you aren't sure which jeff the posts are from. thought about using jeff s., but there are two of us also. so...being as how i'm approaching my anniversary in obc i figure i can count you all as good friends. my good friends call me captain, cap for short (reference to my serving as captain of our bowling team for the past 10 years). cap it is. * there was some discourse on hitting peoples lists who have sent you cards. if you don't have a deep dupes box this is sometimes difficult to do (in brocks case, and a few others it is virtually impossible). in my short tenure i think i see this as something that eventually "will come out in the wash". do the best you can when you can. * lastly and most importantly to me. this is truly a great group of folks sharing a common interest that goes way beyond cardboard. friends who've never met (in most cases), knowing each others spouses or childrens names, sharing joys and sorrows. makes me wonder if people who love baseball, truly love the game, all have big hearts. HAPPY EASTER OBC Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 00:34:14 EST Subject: t206 color variations To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com What are the T206 back color variations that people know of? That'd be great if we could create a consolidated list. ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 80's misc wax wrappers.. save them from the trash. Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:36:37 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Now you can change your email tag to 80swrapperguy@aol.com! -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: 30 March 2002 00:28 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 80's misc wax wrappers.. save them from the Topps, Donruss OPC, SportsFlics, Leaf, Star Stickers and Popups. I know this is probaby the stupidest thing I have EVER put up, but when a friend gave me his collection a few years ago he was trying to put together a run of wax pack wrappers. I now have them but they are about 1 foot from the trashcan right now. If anyone collects wrappers, Topps, Fleer Donrus (and some odds and ends) from the 80's... let me know. We have.... 82T (3 Variations) 82 F (with rare $.27 price tag from REVCO) 82 T rack 85T (3 variations) 86 Star Stickers 87 Sportsflics (c'mon... we ALL collect these) 86 F 86 D 86 Leaf 86 O Pee Chee (2 Variations) 86 T (3 var) 87 T (3 var... we KNOW how rare these are) 87 D Pop Ups 87 D 88 D You have 34 seconds from the time I send this email. (Actually I will give you a day or so) I think these are headed to the trash but I thought I would double check. Signed... too embarrased to give my name. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:46:40 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: 30 March 2002 03:38 To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats I LOVE the idea of making people show up to an OBC party to get their hat but I don't see how I can force everyone else to buy in. Obviously, Glenn will have his mailed to him, unless someone else plans on seeing him in the next few months. STEP RIGHT UP! Any volunteers would receive free and generous hospitality at the Codere household, while also getting the chance to savor such uniquely Scottish delights as haggis, bagpipe music, and constant rain. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC hats (continued) Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:44:24 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" After speaking with Lynn Miller and others, we decided to forward this message to the group. Briefly, it tells about the kind of person we are goingto do business with. I've received about $100 in pledges so far. The sooner we get more pledges, the sooner we'll move forward. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Miller To: Steve Rittenberg Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: Re: Yahoo! Auctions - 1954 topps #94 Ernie Banks (R) Cubs BV$750.00 Hi Steve, Would only take John a couple of days to make one. But we probably have to have a firm commitment on the order. He has to make a new pattern for each design he does and because these are hand-made, there is a small investment in it for him initially. Once the pattern is made, he keeps it forever for future orders. John has a small but busy operation. John is 70 years old, a retired U.S. Marine, and I've known him for over 20 years. He employs about 10 workers in his garment shop and I've met them all. It's really a small operationcompared to what most might be envisioning. But he has a loyal and steadyclientele. So don't worry, he's not a Kathie Lee Gifford who is an absentee owner and runs a sweat shop and doesn't care about his workers. John puts in a 11-12 hour workday, 7 days a week and and even does some of the work OK on the mailing. I'll let you guys handle all that from your end afterthey leave here. Mailing costs from here to Guam and from Guam to the U.S. wouldn't be much. I don't have an exact figure because I don't know how much the package will weigh, etc. But I can probably handle it myself to get them moving and then maybe get reimbursed from the fund or whatever. Wecan take care of that later when I get a better idea of the size of the order. I think you've pretty much covered everything. Just give me the go when you think this is a viable project. John will work with me on the payment,he knows I'll honor it and start working if I plunk down $50-100 of my ownmoney for a down payment and pay the balance upon delivery. Time frame. Pretty much as stated before. Mail time is really a question mark. I've never done it before. John sends packages to Guam, Korea, Japan all the time but he uses FedEx, which is much more expensive. But his buyers pay that cost to get them next day or whatever. Steve Rittenberg wrote: I think we should be able to get the hat project up and running soon. I've already had about $50 in committments. Questions:How long will it taketo make a "prototype"?Is John the owner of the company? Someone was skeptical about any surplus actually ending up with the workers. Comments:Distribution: I'd rather have distribution coordinated here rather than in Guam even if it costs us a bit more. (1) Asking someone the rest of us don't know to send 10 packages rather than one is a bit pushy. (2) We get time to make the decision here leisurely rather than later in Guam. I have noidea what it costs to mail hats (or how you mail hats), but we should try to collect enough to cover all mailing costs. I'm not willing to forkover $50 for mailing. And I don't expect you to either. Please re-read my message to ramblings and let me know if you think I left out anything relevant. I should do the same. We should also think about coming up with a schedule. Hmm. Of course, if only 10 people pledge money towards a hat, then we'll have to decide as a group what to do. Steve ================= Subject: New email, wantlist location Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 10:31:50 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, With the collapse of the MediaOne junta to the overwhelming forces of AT&T, my email is now: and my wantlist is: http://mattglidden.home.attbi.com/ Viva la revolution! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:56:46 +0800 Subject: availables From: " john harrell" For anyone interested in the Fleer World Series sets, I have a nice 14 card starter set of the 1970 set up for grabs as well as the following singles: 1970 Fleer WS: 12 19 21(2) 35(2) 43 46 ================= To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 13:22:41 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Sounds like a job for Trader Doug aka World Traveler >From: "Glenn Codere" >To: "Ramblings" >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 09:46:40 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] > Sent: 30 March 2002 03:38 > To: Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats > > I LOVE the idea of making people show up to an OBC party to get their >hat but I don't see how I can force everyone else to buy in. Obviously, >Glenn will have his mailed to him, unless someone else plans on seeing him >in the next few months. > Steve > > STEP RIGHT UP! Any volunteers would receive free and generous >at the Codere household, while also getting the chance to savor such >uniquely Scottish delights as haggis, bagpipe music, and constant rain. > Glenn > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:03:55 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Exhibit cards From: Bob Saxton Does anyone know where I can get album pages for the old exhibit cards. These are the cards that were found in penny arcades. They are about 3 and 3/8" by 5 and 3/8", with blank backs. I need about ten pages. Thanks for any help anyone can give! GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 17:13:51 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com My $.02 on the hats is that everyonew should pay the $10 into the OBC treasury. Based upon the numbers from Lynn & Steve it should cover the costs of the hats and the postage as well. Should we have anything left over, after everyone has been reimbursed for their expenses who are doing the work on this project we can then worry about what to do with the money. Maybe we use the funds to get another card on the Original Frank Thomas list, but another brick at the HOF or Doubleday field, or some other worthwhile Steve, count me in for $10 pledge. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 22:51:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: MLB TV package From: "splinter_65" Sorry if this comes through twice--having some email problems HI all- After much hemming and hawing, I decided to get digital cable through Comcast and then bought the MLB package (instead of a dish). It was a bit cheaper and a whole lot easier, with a great clear picture. My only question now that it is too late for this year, is the MLB package the same for digital cable and the satellite networks. It looks like I get about 5-7 games per night-- I was hoping to get the majority of Red Sox games, but it looks like I'll see about half of them--is this what the dish covers as well? At least the boys won't have to grow up being Phillies fans (with all due respect to Rick and the other Phillies fans in the group!) ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 15:22:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC hats (continued) To: Ramblings From: Jim Beauchemin Count me in on the hat project. Steve Rittenberg wrote: After speaking with Lynn Miller and others, we decided to forward this message to the group. Briefly, it tells about the kind of person we are going to do business with. I've received about $100 in pledges so far. The sooner we get more pledges, the sooner we'll move forward. Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Miller To: Steve Rittenberg Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2002 8:57 AMSubject: Re: Yahoo! Auctions - 1954 topps #94 Ernie Banks (R) Cubs BV$750.00 Hi Steve, Would only take John a couple of days to make one. But we probably have to have a firm commitment on the order. He has to make a new pattern for each design he does and because these are hand-made, there is a small investment in it for him initially. Once the pattern is made, he keeps it forever for future orders. John has a small but busy operation. John is 70 years old, a retired U.S. Marine, and I've known him for over 20 years. He employs about 10 workers in his garment shop and I've met them all. It's really a small operation compared to what most might be envisioning. But he has a loyal and steady clientele. So don't worry, he's not a Kathie Lee Gifford who is an absentee owner and runs a sweat shop and doesn't care about his workers. John puts in a 11-12 hour workday, 7 days a week and and even does some of the work himself. OK on the mailing. I'll let you guys handle all that from your end after they leave here. Mailing costs from here to Guam and from Guam to the U.S. wouldn't be much. I don't have an exact figure because I don't know how much the package will weigh, etc. But I can probably handle it myself to get them moving and then maybe get reimbursed from the fund or whatever. We can take care of that later when I get a better idea of the size of the order. I think you've pretty much covered everything. Just give me the go when you think this is a viable project. John will work with me on the payment, he knows I'll honor it and start working if I plunk down $50-100 of my own money for a down payment and pay the balance upon delivery. Time frame. Pretty much as stated before. Mail time is really a question mark. I've never done it before. John sends packages to Guam, Korea, Japan all the time but he uses FedEx, which is much more expensive. But his buyers pay that cost to get them next day or whatever. Steve Rittenberg wrote: I think we should be able to get the hat project up and running soon. I've already had about $50 in committments. Questions:How long will it take to make a "prototype"?Is John the owner of the company? Someone was skeptical about any surplus actually ending up with the workers. Comments:Distribution: I'd rather have distribution coordinated here rather than in Guam even if it costs us a bit more. (1) Asking someone the rest of us don't know to send 10 packages rather than one is a bit pushy. (2) We get time to make the decision here leisurely rather than later in Guam. I have no idea what it costs to mail hats (or how you mail hats), but we should try to collect enough to cover all mailing costs. I'm not willing to forkover $50 for mailing. And I don't expect you to either. Please re-read my message to ramblings and let me know if you think I left out anything relevant. I should do the same. We should also think about coming up with a schedule. Hmm. Of course, if only 10 people pledge money towards a hat, then we'll have to decide as a group what to do. Steve Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send greetings for Easter, Passover ================= Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:54:21 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 Topps Grey Backs? From: Dan Austin I was going through my 1954 Topps album this evening and I noticed that 2 cards - #1 (Ted Williams) and #13 (Billy Martin) have "grey" backs instead of the traditional white/cream colored backs. Was part of the set available with more than one back variation? Do I have some promo variant of these cards? Anyone who has some ideas, please LMK... Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: , vct@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:58:28 +0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 Topps Grey Backs? From: " john harrell" Dan, what you have are Canadian issue 54 Topps which come with grey backs. They are definitely rare and are unlisted in any catalogue of which I am aware. The grey backs occur on #'s 1-49 I believe. I have one grey back myself which I got on ebay (#49-Ray Murray), which was listed as a Canadian Topps. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 21:54:21 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 Topps Grey Backs? > I was going through my 1954 Topps album this evening and I noticed that 2 > cards - #1 (Ted Williams) and #13 (Billy Martin) have "grey" backs instead > of the traditional white/cream colored backs. Was part of the set > available with more than one back variation? Do I have some promo variant > of these cards? Anyone who has some ideas, please LMK... > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com > Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > "How far that little candle throws his beams! > So shines a good deed in a naughty world." > - William Shakespeare > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:10:34 EST Subject: Tough E-mail To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com I have been part of this club for 3 or so years, and I recall many of the e-mails concerning family members. The e-mails act as a bit of therapy I suppose. Well, yesterday I lost my father in a car accident. He sure was a great guy. I'm thankful that my mother survived the crash (airbag worked) and that my two boys were not with them. My kids came very close to traveling with them. The accident happened on the way to my grandmother's 80th B-day. Please say a prayer for Frank Sweeney and have a Happy Easter. ================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 13:04:51 EST Subject: A mere $45? What a bargain. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I drove 45 minutes to a cardstore outside of Knoxville that I have never been to before. The stores in Knoxville sell Pokemon, Magic and the occational Spice Girl Pog set but they have nothing that isn't new. I went there recommended by the other stores in the area. They apparently have lots of old cards according to the other stores. When I got there I was impressed. Almost every card in the store was filed by brand, year and number. In addition they had a binder with a bunch of beaten up football cards showing on the counter. I ended up picking out a 54 Bowman Preacher Roe, two 55 Bowmans and two 53 Bowmans for my set. The Roe was in poor, the others were fairish. He was amused that I was pulling out the lowest grade cards. Then the fun began. I asked him to ring total them so I would get an idea how things were going... and for those 5 cards he offered me the following bargain. High book (Beckett of course) was 165... Low becket was 130. Becuase of the condition (poor) of those cards, he was perfectly willing to sell me the 5 cards for the bargain price of HALF LOW BECKETT. Yes... for a mere $65 I could take home a poor Preacher Roe and 4 fiar commons! After changing pants, I manged to haggle him down to $45 INCLUDING TAX. Wow... what a great day...He even offered to sell me some 52 Topps with bullet holes in them (LITERALLY) for $20 each. Needless to say.. I bought Now consider this... Not one week ago I picked up a large stack of 53's and 54's that are in decent shape. Goodish condition.. no poors... for $1 each. That includes some 53 Bowman Color cards! Also I found a stack of T206's for under $5 each, also in decent condition. I don't even collect the 53 and 54 Topps sets, but I know some of you guys will need them so I got them. They will hit the waiver wire soon. In the meantime... if you get a chance to search Knoxville for cards... don't. (unless you stop by the house where dinner and the cards are free) A disgruntled me. ================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:17:51 EST Subject: The Rookie??? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i read a review of the movie "the Rookie" today in my local paper which said it was "the true story of John Morris, who at 35, became the oldest rookie in major league baseball history."---i also saw a review of the film on the TV show "Good Morning L A where the guy on TV said Morris was the oldest rookie in major league baseball history - --- Did this Morris guy play BEFORE Ol' Satch??I remember seeing a movie on TV about Satchel Paige when i was a kid and apparently Satch was still living because at the end of the movie they showed him in a rocking chair on a baseball field- i don't remember who played him in that movie- was it Lou Gossett,jr?.i really liked that movie about Paige- isn't it Dennis Squid- or Squaid or somebody in the Rookie????Linda ================= To: Subject: Lahman's Data Base Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:23:48 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Great news! Lahman's data base for 2001 is now available for downloading at More great news! The data base now contains fields for city, state, and country of birth, debut year, and dates of death. Unfortunately, the data inthe geographical fields stops in 1997. I don't understand this as this information isn't that hard to obtain for recent years. I had already done it for 1999. I plan to gather this information for 1998, 2000, and 2001 andoffer it to anyone who wants it. If you are not familiar with Lahman's data base, it is an awesome resource for baseball researchers. It is a data base that contains complete battingand pitching statistics for MLB from 1871 to 2001. It also contains fielding statistics, team statistics, managerial records, post-season statistics, and more. Best of all it is available at the sensible OBC-style price ofFREE!!! It is available as a MS Access data base (Access 2000). If you don't know how to use Access or some other data base, it won't do you a lot of good, but if you can poke around in a data base the information here is simply awesome. The data is also available as a .CSV file which can be imported intoalmost any data base program, even into a MS Excel spreadsheet. I know at least a couple of other OBCers use this data base. I thought youmight like to know it is available, in case you hadn't heard. -Dave Fallen ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough E-mail Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 17:07:26 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" I know that words alone, (if a guy can even come up with any,) are seldom enough to console a heavy heart like yours at this time. I have no sage words of wisdom to make you feel better. But I can say that you do have a place to turn with the brotherhood of OBC. You may or may not have noticed my lack of OBC activity for the last 6 months or more. Much of this could be neatly blamed on being busy at work, or with buying a new home. Truth really is that I just don't feel very happy. My heart is also heavy with a burden. My twin sister in Vermont has been diagnosed with terminal cancer. She faces daily radiation and chemotherapy treatments, and is suffering though great pain and sickness. She will still not live much longer. We are not quite 40 years old. Some of my OBC brothers know of this situation I'm in, although I did not, until this time broadcast such. Pat, it was your message, softly understated, about your Dad that drove me to the keyboard. "He sure was a great guy" I am positive that he is a great guy and very proud of you. OBC is filled with a lot of great guys and we have all had our own troubles, along with many joys , which we can share. I said a prayer for Frank Sweeney in church today, and I added a prayer forthe rest of my OBC friends and the troubles that they encounter. It's a very unique group. God Bless, ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2002 8:10 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough E-mail > Everyone~ > I have been part of this club for 3 or so years, and I recall many of the > e-mails concerning family members. The e-mails act as a bit of therapy I > suppose. Well, yesterday I lost my father in a car accident. He sure was > great guy. I'm thankful that my mother survived the crash (airbag worked) > and that my two boys were not with them. My kids came very close to > traveling with them. The accident happened on the way to my grandmother's > 80th B-day. > Please say a prayer for Frank Sweeney and have a Happy Easter. > Pat > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 19:57:36 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: CoolPix 3/31 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Greg Conway & Rick Svetecz at Busch Stadium THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC and Yahoo Internet Life Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:01:40 From: "Brad Chambers" Don't know how many of you get Yahoo Internet Life (and I hope I'm not like the 10th person to bring this up), but there is a section in the back called most useful web sites, with subject headers. This month one of the subjects was baseball and it had three sites- MLB.com, ESPN.com for baseball news, and.............OBC! It was a short intro of old baseball cards and news. So we once again have been recognized nationally. Congrats to the webmasters and pats on the backs to all. Brad Chambers Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rookie??? Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:35:15 From: "jeff sinclair" saw the rookie friday. great flick. took my boys and they loved it. first and possibly only movie i've seen in a loooong time that didn't have foul language. not ONE cuss in the entire movie! the player was jim morris played by the actor dennis quaid. don't know about the paige connection at all but i do remember when morris broke into the bigs. it was a good story then and a better movie now >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Rookie??? >Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 15:17:51 EST >hi- this is Linda- i read a review of the movie "the Rookie" today in my >local paper which said it was "the true story of John Morris, who at 35, >became the oldest rookie in major league baseball history."---i also saw a >review of the film on the TV show "Good Morning L A where the guy on TV >Morris was the oldest rookie in major league baseball history - --- Did >Morris guy play BEFORE Ol' Satch??I remember seeing a movie on TV about >Satchel Paige when i was a kid and apparently Satch was still living >at the end of the movie they showed him in a rocking chair on a baseball >field- i don't remember who played him in that movie- was it Lou >Gossett,jr?.i really liked that movie about Paige- isn't it Dennis Squid- >Squaid or somebody in the Rookie????Linda Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2002 02:51:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The Rookie and other ??? From: "rayluurs" There is one problem with the accruacy of the movie, whether it is relevant or not. Jim Morris wasnt the oldes rookie in the major leagues.......that would go to Diomedes Olivio who pitched for the Pirates and cardinals form 1960-62 he was 41 at the time with a birth date of 1/22/19 and a major league debut of 9/5-60. However having seen the trailer i too can't wait to see the movie. Another question I have as I watch the Indians/Angels game..to me it just doesnt seem like opening day (and I dont mean watching the snow come down this morning either) it the tradition of the game like why arent the Reds opening up like they have done for 125 years. Just something to ponder as I have no life> ================= Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 22:46:08 EST Subject: Re: hats To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Mark me down for a hat and corresponding funds. I have one of the old red ones, but haven't seen it in ages as it's probably in my son's closet--he's an inveterate hat-wearer. This is a great idea all around. One suggestion for Northeast US distro is the next Ft. Washington show--which I am tentatively planning on attending (my first). Tacoma Dome show might work for the Northwesteners, the National for some of you others (it's midwest again this year, right?). Well, just a thought.