================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1952 Topps high numbers Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:00:55 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This ramble may be viewed as heresy. This is a complicated (and screwy) story. As part of my Topps 1952-present collection, I decided to collect all the high numbers. But after a while, I realized that I don't spend time looking at my collection. Its the chase and sense of completion that I enjoy. I also realized that my collection is eventually going to go into someone else's hands. That happens whether I pass them along as a gift, a bequest or sell them. I counted up how much money I had invested in these and the number was staggering. I could think of a lot of other uses for the money like other cards or food. So why not liquidate my collection of 1952 highs now, rather than later? No one will ever be able to take away the accomplishment of finding the cards. I'm not collecting these in order to show them off to anyone, insideor outside OBC. And if I can get them into the hands of other OBCers (atthe price I paid) then everyone is better off and no one is worse off. This is an economists dream. So I started contacting a few of the people who said "great buy" whenever I had found one in the past and sold them thecard for what I paid. And when I found one at the show, I crossed it offmy list and then offered it to someone for what I paid at the next swap session (usually a couple hours later). I still have 15 high numbers left. I took them out of my album and put them into my dupes box so that I would have them at a swap session. And I still need (have not ever acquired) four others. Maybe we can help each other out. If you'd be willing to swap out one that I need for one that I have, that would be awesome. If you want to buy some of mine or sell me some of yours, that might work too. I have even done deals where I take "temporary ownership" for 24 hours by receiving the card and then sending it right back. This is stretching it, but 20 years from now, no one will doubt me when I say "I found all the 1952 high numbers". Here are the ones I still need: #314 Campy, #324 Hacker, #373 Turner, #406Nuxhall. Here are the ones I have in my box: #330 Lown, #337 Hearn, #339 Meyer, #348 Kelly, #353 Del Greco, #350 Abrams, #354 Hatfield, #368 Wright, #378 Fusselman, #381 Stock, #385 Franks, #388 Chipman, #389 Wade, #395 Pitler, #402 Harrist. Your comments, whether you are interested in any of these or not, are appreciated. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: ebay negative feedback Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:03:03 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I don't know if I have ever left negative feedback for anyone on ebay. Most times (if not every time ) when I've been tempted to, I've always been dissuaded by "well, if you do that to me, then I will do that to you". Should I care if I get my first negative? I'd even write my own negativefeedback for this transaction if it were possible -- slow to pay, poor attitude. I'm interested in hearing what others think about this, both from the pointof view of a buyer and a seller. Thanks. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay negative feedback Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 11:24:16 -0500 From: "John Collins" I know how you feel. The only negative I have ever left (and subsequentlyrecieved my only negative from) was over a $2 card. It got pretty rediculous, but when I looked back at things, I was probably just as much at faultas the seller. On the other hand, I am having to get ready to think about leaving negativefor a buyer right now that hasn't paid me in almost 2 weeks. Normally I wouldn't care, but unfortunately this is over a pretty high dollar item, and the communication has been very poor. It is true that if you leave a negative first, you will probably wind up getting a negative yourself just because of retaliation. But sometime you just have to do it. If you continue to maintain an overall positive ratio as a buyer, most sellers will still let you bid on their auctions. It is when you are a seller that the negative feedback (even a little) can start tohurt you. I always check out feedback on the seller before I bid on something, and it is pretty rare these days to see a seller with over a thousand points who doesn't usually have about 10 or 15 negative mixed in. Usually when I buy from a larger seller or somebody with huge feedback, around 1-5 negatives doesn't bother me. You have to figure that when dealing withthe US Postal Service (over which the large majority of ebay transactions are carried) there are bound to be screw-ups every now and then despite everyone's best intentions. Most of us have probably been witness to this on more than one occasion with the cards we send back and forth to each other. I do wish, however, that there was a way to prevent negative feedback that is clearly retaliatory only. Too many of those out there and you see it every day. "This guy is a loser - get real - sent payment 2 weeks ago".....That kind of stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay negative feedback I don't know if I have ever left negative feedback for anyone on ebay. Most times (if not every time ) when I've been tempted to, I've always beendissuaded by "well, if you do that to me, then I will do that to you". Should I care if I get my first negative? I'd even write my own negative feedback for this transaction if it were possible -- slow to pay, poor attitude. I'm interested in hearing what others think about this, both from the point of view of a buyer and a seller. Thanks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:39:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay negative feedback To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: smartalecx@aol.com i probably did about 200 ebay purchase transactions and left about 3 negative feedbacks and an equal amount of neutral. if someone takes a month to send out an item you paid for immediately (like paypal), or classifies tiptons as EXMT, they deserve it. if they leave me a negative (which happened only once in the 6 times i didn't leave positives for them), you can respond. and retaliation is typically easy to spot. you are doing a disservice to future ebay participants by leaving a false positive. if you read some of them, its actually pretty funny. "cards were late, didn't respond to emails, A++++ transaction"! what good is that? most of us don't read the feedback, just look at the raw numbers. if you're comfortable that the guy deserves it, then leave it. and if you were at fault as well, then you deserve it to. it's the only way those feedbacks provide any real guidance. otherwise, they might as well not have them at on a separate issue, i found it interesting that most agreed to not bid against other obc'ers, or at least contact them first. then, the comments appeared that it was ok to bid against obc'ers for the card locker "cuz i really want it"! anyone else find that funny? ================= To: Subject: Hollywood Park Show Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 12:49:26 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- Is anybody going to the Hollywood Park Show next weekend in LA? Is it a historically decent show for a 3-day event? It looks like there are a few good dealers in there that I recognize. Let me know... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 13:16:29 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman Who needs 1969 decle. I have the following that are yours for the asking: # 6,14,17, & 32 John Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Local shop (and library) report Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 17:03:29 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I went over to my local shop as a form of "retail therapy". haha. Theyactually had some cards for me this time. I think lots of people in thegroup have seen various ebay lots vintage cards trimmed down to the size of 50 Bowmans available from House of Cards in Wheaton Maryland. I got tosee the mother lode today. Who knows what a fair price is for these? I don't. But after some negotiating, he said I could have what I wanted at 4% of BV. Of course, I pigged out. I had to put back some stars (like 52T Snider & Page) but I ended up with a big pile of Red Sox that should look great in an album. The only ones that seemed expensive were the 53 BC high numbers at $3 each. I did get a couple for others, if I thought they were on HOM lists. And Ipulled a couple of stars to have with me at future swap sessions. I may keep the 54 Bowman Mays. It looked really nice. The 55 Bowmans looked lousy after they were trimmed. I told them at the store that I would let you guys know about these. Its a flat price -- 4% of BV. And they have a right to say they'd prefer to list the cards on ebay. None of these had creases, that I could tell. I don't know if I'd like a card that is trimmed and creased, but these actually look really neat, especially next to each other. So if people would like me to go back and check for them, I can try to do that. I doubt they'd be willing to pull them for you if you called and/or e-mailed. Most of the cards did not have numbers on them so I pulled all the ones with Red Sox caps on them, plus some stars. There were plenty of big big $$$ cards in there that I passed on. The biggest was a 53 Bowman Color Mantle. There was also a 53 BC Musial and Whitey Ford. I couldn't even see spending 4% on one of those but you might want I don't want to overcommit myself on this one. I am not going to be ableto look through there for 3 commons you need and then negotiate the price.I have not measured the cards nor did I really check to see how good the trimming job was so I won't say if some are "trimmed well" or "trimmed poorly". The years available were 1952 Topps (no highs), 1953 Bowman Color, 1953 Topps (just a couple), 1951 and/or 1952 Bowman (these didnt look nice trimmed), 1955 Bowman (didn't look nice trimmed) and 1959 Topps. The 1959 Topps were trimmed and pasted onto cardboard. I picked up a couple of stars since they were cheap but attractive: Ford, Brooks and commons: Don Mossi and a Red Sox. Also stopped at the local library where they sell used books in the basement. I bought another copy of Bill James Historical Abstract (the original version) for just a buck. I had a copy but I don't know where it is. I can't wait to be able to afford the re-released version but I haven't seen it yet in the library or at the usual cheap booksellers I check out. I haven't decided if its something I need to keep as a reference book. If Idecide I don't need it, it will be available if you pay the postage (book rate). Let me know if you'd like it. If more than one person responds, I will have Howard make a quiz to send out. hahaha And after this Morganti-esque rambling, its time to eat. ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: super bowl pool Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 18:45:52 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Last chance to get in on the super bowl pool. I think we have more people than last year, so it will be tougher to win, but the winners should make better, as if that is even necessary when you check what they got sent last year! Check out http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/pool.htm to see how it works. I'll put the numbers up tomorrow sometime. ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:03:01 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com This only validates my belief that baseball card collectors have no business being president ;-) In a message dated 1/30/2002 1:51:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... > Date:1/30/2002 1:51:09 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:jcollins12@triad.rr.com > To:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > Hey everybody, > Just got back in the office from standing on the corner of 4th > street and Poplar here in Winston-Salem, where 10 minutes ago, > President Bush and his motorcade drove by no more than 10 feet > in front of me. Luckily, myself and a group of co-workers picked > the right street (behind the building he was speaking at) and > even the right side of the road to stand on, allowing me to catch > a close up glimpse of George W. for a brief moment, albeit through > the tinted bulletproof limo window, he was smiling and waving > enthusiastically to the crowd -- my little thrill for the day. > Okay, so I know that this technically has nothing to do with > baseball or cards -- but wait, Bush did own the Texas Rangers > for a time. I even have a video that I recorded of a game 10 > years ago (Ryan was pitching...I recorded every game that was > broadcast when he was pitching) and the camera panned the seats > to show a young George W. Bush sitting in the boxes muching on > peanuts, wearing shirtsleeves and sporting much darker and thicker > hair.......how things have changed ! If you read any of the > press profiles on Bush during the campaign, some of you may also > know that during his youth he was a rabid baseball card collector...often > sending cards away to players for an autograph with a return > envelope long before that practive became common. Like many > of us, however Bush said he no longer has those cards. It seems > he blames one former First Lady (and First Mom) for their ultimate > demise. > Irrespective of political views or party loyalties.......George > W. is my kind of guy !! > My "executive ramble" for the day..... > John ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: super bowl pool webpage updated Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 21:42:05 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I have all the names of the people who are in so far up on the webpage. you want in and your name isn't there, email me. Tomorrow evening, I will close the pool and assign numbers to squares. It looks like everyone will get about 3. I will draw at random for the "extra" squares. Again, the page is: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/pool.htm I'm so excited!!!! :) Go Pats! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:24:04 -0500 From: "galtemos" I think that is an outstanding endorsement for a great President. Anyone who loves baseball has got to be a good American at heart. New York's former mayor, Rudy Giuliani, is also a great baseball fan...........a Yankee fan, in particular. On the other hand, the Great Stainmaker (who has been both impeached and disbarred), of course, cares nothing for baseball. And his wife, the present senator from New York, Hillary Clinton, absolutely never attends a baseball game under any circumstances, because she knows that, if she did, she would be loudly and publicly booed, and that would not please her. So her handlers make it a point to shield her from this potential source of embarrassment. > From: Sweendoger@aol.com > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... > Date: Friday, February 01, 2002 9:03 PM This only validates my belief that baseball card collectors have no being president ;-) In a message dated 1/30/2002 1:51:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > Subj:[OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... > Date:1/30/2002 1:51:09 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:jcollins12@triad.rr.com > To: Sent from the Internet > Hey everybody, > Just got back in the office from standing on the corner of 4th > street and Poplar here in Winston-Salem, where 10 minutes ago, > President Bush and his motorcade drove by no more than 10 feet > in front of me. Luckily, myself and a group of co-workers picked > the right street (behind the building he was speaking at) and > even the right side of the road to stand on, allowing me to catch > a close up glimpse of George W. for a brief moment, albeit through > the tinted bulletproof limo window, he was smiling and waving > enthusiastically to the crowd -- my little thrill for the day. > Okay, so I know that this technically has nothing to do with > baseball or cards -- but wait, Bush did own the Texas Rangers > for a time. I even have a video that I recorded of a game 10 > years ago (Ryan was pitching...I recorded every game that was > broadcast when he was pitching) and the camera panned the seats > to show a young George W. Bush sitting in the boxes muching on > peanuts, wearing shirtsleeves and sporting much darker and thicker > hair.......how things have changed ! If you read any of the > press profiles on Bush during the campaign, some of you may also > know that during his youth he was a rabid baseball card collector...often > sending cards away to players for an autograph with a return > envelope long before that practive became common. Like many > of us, however Bush said he no longer has those cards. It seems > he blames one former First Lady (and First Mom) for their ultimate > demise. > Irrespective of political views or party loyalties.......George > W. is my kind of guy !! > My "executive ramble" for the day..... > John ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 22:51:26 EST Subject: 1955 QUESTION To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Can anybody tell me what the card color variations are for 1955? ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:09:59 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 QUESTION From: Neal Thomas According to SCD, there aren't any color or back variations for '55 Topps. Does anyone know anything different? ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 QUESTION Date: 02/01/2002 10:51pm Can anybody tell me what the card color variations are for 1955? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 23:21:51 EST Subject: Make that 1956 question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Can anybody tell me what the card color variations are for 1956? ================= Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 05:43:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I Need Help From: "rayluurs" Ok guys and Linda.........I know recently someone sent an email concerning a women whose name i believe was Lauren Davis who was looking for the only baseball card produced of her father. Well a Twins Fest tonight much to the chagrin of OBC dealer Kurt Tourdot, (they put the SABR table i was suppose to be working at next to Kurt's table........not good thinking on SABR part as the two of us working started working of Kurt's retirement, I found two one for me and one for her. Now what i dont have is the message she sent along with her address If any one can email the letter back I would greatly appreciate it so i can mail out her treasure. more cards will be mailed out later. Thanks for your help ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:32:25 EST Subject: ebay question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Can somebody direct me to the link that enables you to calculate the fee for listing an item on ebay? ================= To: Subject: V02, WAS V01 A FIXED DEAL?????? Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:13:27 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Please expect a package to arrive in your mail mid next week. It is to insure that a fair place is received in the line for the world famous ribs. The records show that Ken M. has been at the front of the line the last few years. Hopefully this small gift of cards will insure a better position in the line. Also, please reply with your request to make the golf match FAIR for all. It would appear to one, that Rick E. must of presented you with a large amount of cardboard to have such a HUGE team advantage as he did last year. While he still got his ASS whipped, there is no doubt that his team shouldhave won by at least 15 strokes. How he lost to a team that had one guy with a bad shoulder that never hit adrive all day, and a guy with a back that hardly allowed him to move is beyond any person in there right mind. If the teams stay the same as last year, Ricks team needs to give at least12 Please take this into consideration. Please advise of any BRIBES offered by Rick. WE WILL BEAT HIS OFFER IF NEEDED. David Kolenda for, The walking wounded golf team. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 09:38:27 EST Subject: Help and a card needs a home To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: washalou@aol.com Hello OBC, Could anyone email me a directory with addresses? I thank you in advance. I have a '62 Topps #52 Clemente Batting Leaders that needs a home. Who wants it? Also check on a '70 high number - # 720. Who wants that one? Greg Kuhn ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:34:19 EST Subject: I have POWER! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com No, no, I am not some ego-maniac on a kick. (I leave that for you Texans, George!). However, we got a massive ice storm here in Kansas City and our house was without power for the last couple of days. It was getting bleak ...... a few more hours and I would have started burning a few of those 92 Fleer boxes I have around here somewhere for heat. I grew up in Western Minnesota and spent several years in Fargo, ND, for goodness sake, so I have seen plenty of winter in my life. But this truly has been amazing. It rained pretty steady for a day in a half with the temperatures right at the freezing mark. Had it been colder we would have had a foot and a half of snow and been done with it. However, this stuff froze into solid ice as it landed. The trees all become massive icicles and limbs started breaking off. The limbs took out power lines as they fell. Driving to work I witnessed a big branch fall and crash through the windshield of a car in front of me. I had a thirty foot oak limb fall from one of my trees and lay across our driveway, missing my daughters car by a foot or two. The satellite is still frozen in place, but with temps nearing 40 today, I hope to be back to normal for tomorrow's big day. Well, this had nothing to do with cards but maybe after I get the limbs in my yard cut up I will look at some wantlists later today -- then things will officially be back to normal! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I have POWER! Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 10:53:11 -0500 From: "galtemos" "I have POWER!" Is that the same as saying, "I am now in control of all things?" That is what the Zodiac Killer said in his last message, before he disappeared from the San Francisco area in 1978. A copy of that message is attached. Kansas City? Hmmmmm............. > From: XDDX@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I have POWER! > Date: Saturday, February 02, 2002 10:34 AM > No, no, I am not some ego-maniac on a kick. (I leave that for you > George!). However, we got a massive ice storm here in Kansas City and > house was without power for the last couple of days. It was getting > ...... a few more hours and I would have started burning a few of those > Fleer boxes I have around here somewhere for heat. > I grew up in Western Minnesota and spent several years in Fargo, ND, for > goodness sake, so I have seen plenty of winter in my life. But this > has been amazing. It rained pretty steady for a day in a half with the > temperatures right at the freezing mark. Had it been colder we would > had a foot and a half of snow and been done with it. However, this stuff > froze into solid ice as it landed. The trees all become massive icicles > limbs started breaking off. The limbs took out power lines as they fell. > Driving to work I witnessed a big branch fall and crash through the > windshield of a car in front of me. I had a thirty foot oak limb fall > one of my trees and lay across our driveway, missing my daughters car by > foot or two. The satellite is still frozen in place, but with temps > 40 today, I hope to be back to normal for tomorrow's big day. > Well, this had nothing to do with cards but maybe after I get the limbs in my > yard cut up I will look at some wantlists later today -- then things will > officially be back to normal! > Doug > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: 56 back variations Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 11:12:02 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" If someone hasn't answered your question already- 1 through 180 have either gray or white backs The gray backs are more difficult from #1 to 100. From #101 to #180 the white backs are more difficult. The team cards come: white back all 3 ways, gray back 2 ways: team left andteam #5 Williams, I believe, comes in 7 variations: Yellow line over name gray and white back, Green line gray and white back, blue line, red line and no line (not sure what the backs are on these last ones.) Then there are Bessent, Ford and maybe Wynn but, I degress, these aren't back Oh, and then there are the cards with promo ads partially on the back - probably cut from display posters. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 12:48:47 EST Subject: A Question of Condition To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com i have a question about grading and valuation of cards. i know some out there hate the idea of this, so please feel free to hit the delete key right now. when grading a card, how do you take into account that a card may be off center? according to beckett, a vg has to be 80/20 or better, ex 75/25, etc. if a card has sharp corners, good photo, etc, and would grade as EXMT (70/30), but is off center 5/95, do you knock down the condition? if so, how just wanted to get a sense of how the group handles it so we are consistent. any suggestions would be appreciated. tnx, gary mandell ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 13:18:30 EST Subject: making cds To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Can someone email me the directions to make cds again? Thanks! ================= Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 13:48:01 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Fwd: [VCT] A Question of Condition] From: Mark S Talbot ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Question of Condition Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 15:37:58 -0500 From: "John Collins" I agree with Mark that an off-centered card is not nearly as bad as a creased one. To me, cards that are badly off-centered (like 90/10 or worse) areannoying, but I really don't mind ones that are 70/30 or better. What really annoys me are cards that are off-centered to start with and then have a bad "skew" or "diamond" cut to them. To me, some of these cards look worse than some with creases. I don't mind it if there is a tiny skew cut, but the really noticible ones do look bad. As for how the hobby and other graders treat the issue of centering, there are several different ways to view it. I think that most people aren't going to downgrade an otherwise "near mint +++" card to EX just because it is off centered 80/20 or something like that. Clearly this is why PSA came up with the "OC" and some other of their qualifier grades. But I have seen some cards graded "Mint 9 OC" which brings up the interesting point about the qualifiers -- if a card is off center, then how can it be truly mint? Most of the other companies, SGCand Beckett included, will simply take the centering into consideration when determining the final grade. I'm not sure how rigid they are, like if they automatically lower a NM-MT card to EX just because of extreme off-centering, but it works something like that. Most companies usually allow a 5% centering leeway if the other attributes of the card clearly stand up to the grade it is given. As to the issue of creases -- this is interesting as well. I was brought up in the collecting hobby over the last 10-15 years with the same notion as the rest of you, that a card with a crease could be considered no higher than VG+, maybe VG-EX if the crease was a really tiny hairline one. But if you look on SGC's grading standards, they will allow a card with a tiny hairline crease (or "spider crease," as they call it) to fall into their EX-grade. What about creases like this that only are visible from the back of the card? That could be a whole different issue. I know most of this discussion will probably fall on the deaf ears of many OBCers who simply judge condition with a brief, pass-over glance of a card with a few creases and rounded corners and say "humm....OBC condition !!!" That is the way it should be. Those of you out there with the ability to view condition with that simplicity, consider yourself lucky. Be glad you are not a freak of nature like me who can get into complicated argumentwith yourself over the difference in EX+ and EX-MT. Please don't worry......I assure you I am seeking counseling in this area. I guess this would qualify as a "Morgantiesque" Ramble. Ahh....another newterm. Have a good one, ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: Smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A Question of Condition i have a question about grading and valuation of cards. i know some out there hate the idea of this, so please feel free to hit the delete key rightnow. when grading a card, how do you take into account that a card may be off center? according to beckett, a vg has to be 80/20 or better, ex 75/25, etc. if a card has sharp corners, good photo, etc, and would grade as EXMT (70/30), but is off center 5/95, do you knock down the condition? if so, how just wanted to get a sense of how the group handles it so we are consistent. any suggestions would be appreciated. tnx, gary mandell To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:01:34 EST Subject: odd ball availables part 1 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com 1. 1934 Mickey Cochrane Goudey reprint 2. 1988 Topps Big Baseball 39, 105, 115, 122, 123, 128, 131, 194, 196, 227 3. Reprint Evers Piedmont Cigarette 4. 1973 #18 of 54 Ray Fosse Pro Super Stars 5. Leaf Diamond King Stargel puzzle pieces 52-54 6. Leaf Diamond King Stargel puzzle pieces 58-60 7. 1991 Conlan collection 173, 247, 296 8. 1980 TCMA #130 Joe Judge 9. Upper Deck GM Hank Greenberg, 1994 10. Topps 1987 Minis: 20, 8, 9, 10, 15, 25, 28, 56, 61, 62 ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:02:06 EST Subject: This, that and a few other things To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com OK gang, Let me clear up any misconceptions you may have inferred from the esteemed Mr. Kolenda. The golf teams were unfair IMHO, but they were OBVIOUSLY slanted to the host member's advantage. How can ANY team with Rick Ellison and myself on it be considered FAVORED in anything involving golf? The other team can whine and cry about injuries, etc... but I ask you, would you rather have me on your team or an injured Tiger Woods? Everyone who's ever tried a chip shot knows that you drive for show and putt for dough. Mr. Hair, being the expert in recognition of putting talent, loaded up his own team with the four best putters available. This was evident in one of the holes on the back nine, as three of the four team members all sank 70 footers or left the ball within six inches of the hole - the fourth (and the best player on the team by concensus) didn't even have to attempt the shot. I had to play an insanely good (for me) round just to keep the scores close last year. Sorta like Steve Dalkowski, I hit the ball hard, but I have no idea where it's going. And as far as getting a good place in the line for ribs, let the record show that I was one of the LAST people served - in fact, I actually waited until the line cleared before moving in. I just happened to find myself back in that line several more times afterwards. If you want to be eating for the long haul, you can't fill up on tortilla chips and strawberries (although the will power needed for this is incredible), plus you must pace yourself to get the maximum number of ribs down. Now that I've let you in on my secret, I just might have to get a good spot in line though. Let me tell you all a little something about grading your cards: DON'T. Some of the worst trades I've made were with condition sensitive freaks of collecting. I used to be one myself until this group showed me the light. I put the centering issue into two groups - centered and miscut. Either your Mike Schmidt RC shows three complete photos or some of Willie Horton's card shows up on one of the borders, plain and simple. I think anyone who is obsessed with centering should be forced to collect a Post Cereal set from the early 60's or perhaps a Hostess set (no, not the full panels either) from the 70's. That should cure whatever ails you. :-) Here's my take on trading - if I paid less than five bucks for it, it's yours. How many of you would buy your friend a beer at the bar if you met up? Well, I don't drink beer, so I don't buy beer - I buy cards If I paid more than ten for it, then that's the trade value I put on it... I have a pretty good memory or at least a rough idea of what I paid for the more expensive cards in my dupes box (there aren't a whole lot of those, contrary to belief). The easiest part to remember is that they're all junk - not a near mint or EX one in the bunch. I usually grade all of them VG at best, so any that still have 4 sharp corners are a good surprise instead of a disappointment. Concerning the eBay negative feedback issue. I have one negative on my resume (although I haven't checked in a while). I got it in retaliation for posting a NEUTRAL on this guy when I first joined eBay (and you were allowed to post more than one feedback comment on a single transaction). I had bid on a card that my friend saw online and the card came in overgraded, but he bought it from me anyway. This is what I wrote in my neutral comment. So the first page of my feedback has two positives and one negative from the same guy. The kicker is that my negative says: "I offer money back guarantee. Why scar my feedback?" The guy even called my house and tried to tell me that leaving a neutral subtracts a point off his total. He's had a few REAL negatives since then (not from me), so I'm happy. I myself have left several negatives since then and haven't been slapped with one in return. Not that I'd care... once you reach 100 or so, I think people don't look as much. An interesting footnote to this is I just got an e-mail from someone who I hit with a negative a year ago asking to verify my address so they can send my cards! I guess surgery and chemotherapy put his auctions on the back burner, but I'm not going to change my negative even if I could - he's still a year late (and I completed the set too). Most cases in which I leave a negative are from a lack of communication from the seller, other than the original invoice (they always seem to get THAT out to you, don't they)? After a couple e-mails with no response (or cards), sending the negative usually doesn't get a response either - they couldn't care less. Fortunately, the few times I've been burned (and never got a refund) have been for relatively little money. This doesn't include the few times I've had a LOT of communication with a seller who was just a plain @$$#*!& and I could've told everyone about his treatment. Most of the time I let it slide if I get my cards. On a related note, how many of you leave feedback for someone and never get it in return? I've probably left four or five hundred positive comments, yet my own feedback is just over 200 (with just the one neg) - I don't think I'm THAT much of a repeat customer. Word on the street is that there's going to be a big football game on TV Sunday. I am backing the Patriots of New England (to no one's surprise) and have even figured out how to place a wager online. I think I got a little carried away actually - I even put some money on the coin toss (I think it's going to be tails). As a season ticket holder for the Pats, I was a bit disappointed not to be joining then in New Orleans to cheer them on (by winning tickets in the lottery), but I didn't want to spend upwards of $2000 to see them play one game. I did use some of that money I would've spent to bet on them though. I took a trip to Foxwoods casino yesterday to place the bet there. However, Foxwoods doesn't have a sports book (only a racing simulcast area). Well, since I WAS in a casino with a bunch of money and not a lot else to do... I proceeded to lose quite a bit of it before I returned home and set up my online gambling account. Secure in the knowledge that I'll never be inducted into the Hall of Fame anyway, I may bet on a baseball game or two this season I will NOT however, sell out my allegiances to the Red Sox for the prospect of winning a mere $8 (Hi Trips!) Finally (and I'm sure a few of you will be glad to get to the end of this if you're even still reading this far) regarding the term 'Morganti-esque'. I should point out that my ramblings haven't been nearly as long or as frequent (well, they're still long I guess) as they were when I first joined OBC. My initial reasoning for not joining the group was that I read in the FAQ that I could expect to see 20-30 e-mails a day. When I got laid off and had a lot of time on my hands, I used to type up a page like this EVERY DAY. I'd bet Jim Wiehe has 2 or 3 gig saved from that episode (being unemployed, new to the group and having a lot of incoming mail to be thankful for made a perfect combination for extensive writing). When I look back, I find it hard to believe all the typing I did. How did you guys ever put up with me? Ahhh, I think I had to bribe most of them in cardboard to forgive me for clogging up their inboxes TAYL, Ken M - message #2202 on 2/2/02 ================= Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 00:27:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Did i get what i deserved From: "rayluurs" eBay item 1800069277 (Ends Jan-23-02 17:58:05 PST ) - 1958 TOPPS L EAGUE PRESIDENTS Auction for lot of 25 assorted baseball cards INCLUDING the 1958 Topps card #300 League Presidents (William Harding and Warren Giles) card that is shown in the scan. This is one of the most wanted cards in the 1958 Topps set. The Presidents card is in EXCELLENT condition as you can see from the enlarged scan. The other 25 cards will be players from various teams and companies and will be in EXCELLENT condition or BETTER with most being in MINT condition. You will get a mixture from commons to stars. Winning bidder to pay $2.00 shipping and handling with check or money order ONLY. Thanks for looking at my auction and good luck with your bidding. What i got was the card plus 24 card the oldest being a 1991. Did i get what i deserved here or would other like me expect cards maybe from the 1970 or 1980's. Part of me says well i cant give him a bad feedback as i got just what he advertised but the other part of me says i was looking for older cards that would go with the 1958. The star cards are 1994 Pacific trading of Nolan Ryan, a 1997 Upper deck of Tommy Lasorda and 2000 Upper Deck of Wade Boggs Greatly appreciate input I guess it true if it sounds too good to be true..it probably is ================= Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 19:37:37 EST Subject: Re: presidents To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com As far as the email noting that our former prez has some things to be embarassed about, I think that I can safely say that scandal in the Executive Office has been a recurring theme for at least as long as I've been voting. One point in his favor - the first president to see an NHL game, I believe. ================= Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2002 20:22:26 -0500 To: rayluurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did i get what i deserved From: Mark S Talbot Hi Ray, The giveaway here was the term most being MINT. This usually applies only to UV cards or maybe late 80's cards. No one sticks lots of MINT vintage cardboard on eBay without at least a high starting bid or a reserve. This is of course because MINT cards simply are rare for vintage cards. What did you pay for this "gold mine" Ray? With a shipping charge of $2 I might have gambled a $3 bid, what did you get taken for? This reminds me of those "grab-bag type" dutch auctions where the dealer mentions and scans a dozen highly desirable cards, you know Mantle's, Clemente's, May's, Aaron's, etc... and says these "might" be found in your lot!!! I've tried a few of those in the last 3 years and ALWAYS got burned!!! Anybody else try these and have more favorable results? BE REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * Mark S Talbot wrote: rayluurs wrote: > eBay item 1800069277 (Ends Jan-23-02 17:58:05 PST ) - 1958 TOPPS L > EAGUE PRESIDENTS > Auction for lot of 25 assorted baseball cards INCLUDING the 1958 > Topps card #300 League Presidents (William Harding and Warren Giles) > card that is shown in the scan. This is one of the most wanted cards > in the 1958 Topps set. The Presidents card is in EXCELLENT condition > as you can see from the enlarged scan. The other 25 cards will be > players from various teams and companies and will be in EXCELLENT > condition or BETTER with most being in MINT condition. You will get a > mixture from commons to stars. Winning bidder to pay $2.00 shipping > and handling with check or money order ONLY. Thanks for looking at my > auction and good luck with your bidding. > What i got was the card plus 24 card the oldest being a 1991. Did i > get what i deserved here or would other like me expect cards maybe > from the 1970 or 1980's. > Part of me says well i cant give him a bad feedback as i got just > what he advertised but the other part of me says i was looking for > older cards that would go with the 1958. > The star cards are 1994 Pacific trading of Nolan Ryan, a 1997 Upper > deck of Tommy Lasorda and 2000 Upper Deck of Wade Boggs > Greatly appreciate input I guess it true if it sounds too good to be > true..it probably is > thanks > ray > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: 2002 football pool Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:24:09 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Ok, the pool is all set. We each got 3 squares, plus I drew 4 at random to fill out the pool. Then I drew the numbers at random. I re-drew them, because look who got 7-7! But I figured you guys all trust Plus my other 2 are really stinky! Anyway, the die is cast, the rest is just watching the game and sending cards to the winners. Don't forget to email me when send stuff, so I can post the numbers. Enjoy the game! Go Pats! (Did I mention "Go Pats"?) ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: presidents Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 20:26:59 -0500 From: "galtemos" I think that is like saying that there were home run hitters before Babe Ruth. There may have been one or two rank amateurs (by comparison), but he raised it to an entirely new level. > From: ehpiii@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: presidents > Date: Saturday, February 02, 2002 7:37 PM > As far as the email noting that our former prez has some things to be > embarassed about, I think that I can safely say that scandal in the > Office has been a recurring theme for at least as long as I've been > One point in his favor - the first president to see an NHL game, I > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , "rayluurs" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did i get what i deserved Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 21:25:35 -0800 From: "yaz" Not backing him, (he was evasive), however, the part where he says "various teams and companies" (not a lot of different companies in the late 50s) would have raised the red flag. Then, when he says, "...most being MINT" , I'm convinced they are 'most being 80s and 90s cards'. Hope you didn't pay much. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "rayluurs" To: Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 4:27 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Did i get what i deserved > eBay item 1800069277 (Ends Jan-23-02 17:58:05 PST ) - 1958 TOPPS L > EAGUE PRESIDENTS > Auction for lot of 25 assorted baseball cards INCLUDING the 1958 > Topps card #300 League Presidents (William Harding and Warren Giles) > card that is shown in the scan. This is one of the most wanted cards > in the 1958 Topps set. The Presidents card is in EXCELLENT condition > as you can see from the enlarged scan. The other 25 cards will be > players from various teams and companies and will be in EXCELLENT > condition or BETTER with most being in MINT condition. You will get a > mixture from commons to stars. Winning bidder to pay $2.00 shipping > and handling with check or money order ONLY. Thanks for looking at my > auction and good luck with your bidding. > What i got was the card plus 24 card the oldest being a 1991. Did i > get what i deserved here or would other like me expect cards maybe > from the 1970 or 1980's. > Part of me says well i cant give him a bad feedback as i got just > what he advertised but the other part of me says i was looking for > older cards that would go with the 1958. > The star cards are 1994 Pacific trading of Nolan Ryan, a 1997 Upper > deck of Tommy Lasorda and 2000 Upper Deck of Wade Boggs > Greatly appreciate input I guess it true if it sounds too good to be > true..it probably is > thanks > ray > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:29:28 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@YahooGroups.com Subject: check this ebay weasel out From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 00:51:09 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02, WAS V01 A FIXED DEAL?????? To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com David/Mike and all - The teams last year appeared to be be fair and I would welcome the same again this year (even though we lost) however, my son and a few rookies may be playing and we will need to be fair in selecting the teams! Win or loose I know I will give it my best which seems to entertain many of you! ================= Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 10:01:47 +0800 To: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This, that and a few other things From: Lynn Miller cardclctor@aol.com wrote: Here's my take on trading - if I paid less than five bucks for it, it's yours. How many of you would buy your friend a beer at the bar if you met up? Well, I don't drink beer, so I don't buy beer - I buy cards I'm a non-drinker as well and share the same thoughts. But the difference is you have run the equivalent of 10 bars dry and the rest of us have only picked up an occasional tab :>) Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:10:41 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: PPC71@aol.com, SanBru@aol.com, BJRC1@aol.com, Sox75@aol.com, From: friar4@aol.com From: bboston@att.net To: Baldwin3@aol.com (Pat Chipko) Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 14:24:09 +0000 From: MaryAn2044@aol.com To: ncunningham@quixnet.net, bboston@att.net, Schoolm1@aol.com Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 18:41:24 EST From: TMimsie@aol.com Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 14:36:43 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: Mlenko@aol.com From: FrankWoodDoctor@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 15:59:00 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: TMimsie@aol.com, ginrock@juno.com, DROPTOP09@aol.com, From: Dre63he@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:21:17 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: jasavv@bellsouth.net From: GertrudeDiamond@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:56:16 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: Susie1420@aol.com, skennedy@c-gate.net From: PJBullard@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:40:45 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: GertrudeDiamond@aol.com From: amanda39078@aol.com Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:07:25 EST Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: PJBullard@aol.com, Bsfsugarfarm@aol.com, robynlc@bellsouth.net, Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 07:21:34 -0800 (PST) From: johnny smith Subject: Fwd: This is a small, but true story To: amanda smith Content-Disposition: inline Note: forwarded message attached. Do You Yahoo!? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: calling all card doctors Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 10:36:47 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I know this has been brought up before, but ... I just won a 1941 Playball Mel Ott. It's in ok shape excpt that it has ben glued to some white paper. The paper covers the entire card although it is peeling on one side. I'm thinking of trying to steam the backing off and would appreciate any comments or experiences people have had with this sort of thing. Thanks and GO PATS! ================= Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:55:00 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, Bob's recent note on detaching paper detritus, and other recent notes like it, lead to me think that it would make a good subject for a page on the OBC web site. I've had my own "experiments" with stuck cards, taped cards, and the like ... it would be interesting to compile our OBC experience with home card rescue and improvement into something we could reference later. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:09:14 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did i get what i deserved To: talbot1@home.com, LUURSCJG@aol.com From: Wite3@aol.com Guys...I almost never bid on stuff like that for just that reason, if it sounds too good to be true...it is but last week I tried one that advertised 5 vintage cards from a set breakup for 60-68 Topps...all cards at least ex and assured to get a card of equal value to your bid...why this sounds like all the other junk lots but what made this one interesting is the seller said he would include a list of winning bidders and the high dollar cards they recieved so we could contact each other. I bought one 19.95 lot with $2 s/h...What did I get? Five exmt commons including a '66 high number and my star card was a exmt+ '64 Frank Robinson. I am sure i got my moneys worth. And the list was accurate as I contacted a couple of the other buyers. Not ps buyer beware. ================= To: Subject: AVAILABLES Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 12:57:18 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Have a bunch of 71 kellogg's football available. Tough year, as these wereonly available in the box. Send me your needs. I GOT UM, YOU NEED UM, YOU GET UM. David K. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:48:42 EST Subject: 1961 VARIATION To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Does anyone know if there is a variation of 1961 #273, and if so, what is the ================= To: , "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:09:20 -0500 From: "galtemos" I have had very good luck with the following method. Put the card (with the paper) in a dish of lukewarm water. Let it soak until the paper comes off. Do not get anxious, and try to pull the paper off........you might tear the card. In an hour or two, the paper will come off of the card. Blot most of the water from the card with a paper towel. Then sandwich the card between two pieces of tissue paper. Put the card and tissue paper on a very flat surface. Put a heavy book on top of it...........the Baseball Encyclopedia is perfect. Allow the card to dry for 24 hours. This prevents the card from warping as it dries. I have found that this technique works for about 75% of cards with glue. If it does not work, it will not hurt the card. > From: Bob Donaldson > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors > Date: Sunday, February 03, 2002 10:36 AM > I know this has been brought up before, but ... > I just won a 1941 Playball Mel Ott. It's in ok shape excpt that it has > glued to some white paper. The paper covers the entire card although it > peeling on one side. I'm thinking of trying to steam the backing off and > would appreciate any comments or experiences people have had with this > of thing. > Thanks and GO PATS! > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:42:40 -0500 From: "galtemos" I think that is a great idea. I have a bunch of 1951 Bowmans, including a Mantle rookie, with scotch tape stains. I have been trying for years, experimenting on the non-Mantle cards, to remove the brown stain from the tape, but I have not found anything which works. A scan of some of the cards is attached. Any help with this will be greatly appreciated. Over the years, I have removed tape and glue from many cards. The first thing to try is water. This works most of the time. Even if it does not work, water does not damage the card, so there is no real risk. Although I am not a chemist, I think it is safe to say that glues fall into two basic categories...........water-based (such as Elmer's Glue), and organic-based (such as model airplane cement or scotch tape). Prior to 1950, I think most glues were water-based. This is good news, because water-based glues will often dissolve when placed in water. If water does NOT work, then I have tried other (organic) solvents, with limited (but occasional) success. But I try to experiment VERY CAREFULLY, because some of these solvents will remove one or more colors of the ink from the card, thereby ruining it. The best situation is to have a large group of cards with the same problem. You experiment on the least important card in the group, until you are sure you have it right. THEN you proceed to your Mantle rookie card. The solvents I have tried include alcohol (several types), acetone (too strong), xylene, turpentine, naphtha (lighter fluid), and a few others. I have also used soapy water, and an ultrasonic cleaner. Unfortunately, I have not been a good scientist in this regard, because I have not kept good records of my results. But I think Matthew has a great idea.............perhaps we can pool our > From: Matthew Glidden > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors > Date: Sunday, February 03, 2002 11:55 AM > Hey all, > Bob's recent note on detaching paper detritus, and other recent notes > like it, lead to me think that it would make a good subject for a page on > the OBC web site. I've had my own "experiments" with stuck cards, taped > cards, and the like ... it would be interesting to compile our OBC > experience with home card rescue and improvement into something we could > reference later. > -- > Spike > OBC: Because every card is "one of one" > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:13:09 EST Subject: AOL has booted me? To: webmaster@oldbaseball.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM I think AOL has sent my wantlist to cyber hell. My back up can be found at: Grant, I think you're in charge of changing it on the web site. If you can please change it on the site. I'm through with AOL. Thanks. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Stripes From: Neal Thomas HI all- After 2 years in OBC, I feel like I finally earned my OBC stripes. Here's how: I hit a mall show yesterday with the boys, and found a guy with a box of old Bowmans and 60s high numbers for $2 each. As usual, I didn't have my wantlist, so I picked up some that I thought I needed (including some 55 Bowman Umps, etc) and spent about $50 or Today I went back alone, armed with my wantlist, to pick through the rest of the box (somewhat lighter after a busy mall night!) As I was picking and talking with the dealer, some lady came up and was asking about some cards he had in a case. She wasn't buying, just interested in pricing. The dealer pulls out a Tipton Mint 53 Satchell Paige and says: "This card could get $1,000 in mint condition, but in this shape I'd take 5 bucks for it!" Not two seconds after the lady leaves, I said: "I'll give you $5 for that card" and the ball starts rolling. It turns out he has a box under the table that he says I can dig through and pick out what I want for $5 a card. I pulled a '55 Aaron, '55 Killibrew RC, '53 Jackie Robinson, '58 Mantle/Aaron, a '61 Mays, '60 mantle, and a '54 Snider. Some of the cards are in pretty nice shape, so he pulls some out that he can't sell for $5, and my pile grows with ones that he can. Now the haggling starts, and I am adding in some cash and he is adding in some cards, including a bunch of 52s, some early 60s high numbers, and a 51 Bowman and 54 Topps Richie Ashburn. Finally, I make him an offer of $225 for the whole pile, and he just laughs--225 is his house number and his lucky number, so a deal is struck! The cards I pulled have a high BV of around $5,000, so I guess that less than 5% of BV is a true OBC find. Now I just need to figure out how to tell Terri how much cash I dropped on beat up cardboard! ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:44:20 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] calling all card doctors To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us, bdonaldson@callisma.com, From: amcook93@aol.com I'm testing George's glue removal technique on a 1936 Goudey Hank Greenberg right now. I'll send out another email later tonight with the results. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 17:10:47 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OPC- Oddly Printed Cards From: Originaleek@webtv.net Great, here I am sailing right along with my wantlist for OPC Tigers cards. Now, I was not surprised to discover that in Canada they didn't count much beyond 200 until 1970, so not all Tigers had OPC cards those early years. But then out of no where in 1977, some bright soul gets the idea "ay let's fool those Americans, ay and use a different numbering system for our cards, ay?" Did the Wings beat the Maple Leafs in a home & home series that year or what? At any rate, what now? My Team Checklist book is useless. So, Mark, Grant &/or Glenn, since I believe you are all part of the same conspiracy to haze the new guy, is there a Tiger checklist for OPC cards, and if so, what do I gotta do to have access to it? We keep what we give away! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This, that and a few other things Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 15:22:12 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" In the words of Austin Powers, Ouch baby, very ouch! > I will NOT however, sell out my allegiances to the Red > Sox for the prospect of winning a mere $8 (Hi Trips!) ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 14:17:22 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Neal -- Just do like my wife (and probably yours too) does: Tell her you didn't SPEND $225, you SAVED $4750! It's worth a try... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Thomas" To: Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes > HI all- > After 2 years in OBC, I feel like I finally earned my OBC stripes. > Here's how: I hit a mall show yesterday with the boys, and found a > guy with a box of old Bowmans and 60s high numbers for $2 each. As > usual, I didn't have my wantlist, so I picked up some that I thought > I needed (including some 55 Bowman Umps, etc) and spent about $50 or > so. > Today I went back alone, armed with my wantlist, to pick through the > rest of the box (somewhat lighter after a busy mall night!) As I was > picking and talking with the dealer, some lady came up and was asking > about some cards he had in a case. She wasn't buying, just interested > in pricing. The dealer pulls out a Tipton Mint 53 Satchell Paige and > says: "This card could get $1,000 in mint condition, but in this > shape I'd take 5 bucks for it!" Not two seconds after the lady > leaves, I said: "I'll give you $5 for that card" and the ball starts > rolling. It turns out he has a box under the table that he says I > can dig through and pick out what I want for $5 a card. I pulled > a '55 Aaron, '55 Killibrew RC, '53 Jackie Robinson, '58 Mantle/Aaron, > a '61 Mays, '60 mantle, and a '54 Snider. Some of the cards are in > pretty nice shape, so he pulls some out that he can't sell for $5, > and my pile grows with ones that he can. Now the haggling starts, > and I am adding in some cash and he is adding in some cards, > including a bunch of 52s, some early 60s high numbers, and a 51 > Bowman and 54 Topps Richie Ashburn. Finally, I make him an offer of > $225 for the whole pile, and he just laughs--225 is his house number > and his lucky number, so a deal is struck! The cards I pulled have a > high BV of around $5,000, so I guess that less than 5% of BV is a > true OBC find. > Now I just need to figure out how to tell Terri how much cash I > dropped on beat up cardboard! > Neal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2002 18:09:39 -0500 To: Neal Thomas Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes From: Mark S Talbot I've got the perfect answer, Tell Teri that you purchased some gifts for friends and start sending all those wonderful pieces around!!! ;-) Work for me - she might go for it too!!! ;-) Enjoy what seems like an incredible find!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * Neal Thomas wrote: > HI all- > After 2 years in OBC, I feel like I finally earned my OBC stripes. > Here's how: I hit a mall show yesterday with the boys, and found a > guy with a box of old Bowmans and 60s high numbers for $2 each. As > usual, I didn't have my wantlist, so I picked up some that I thought > I needed (including some 55 Bowman Umps, etc) and spent about $50 or > so. > Today I went back alone, armed with my wantlist, to pick through the > rest of the box (somewhat lighter after a busy mall night!) As I was > picking and talking with the dealer, some lady came up and was asking > about some cards he had in a case. She wasn't buying, just interested > in pricing. The dealer pulls out a Tipton Mint 53 Satchell Paige and > says: "This card could get $1,000 in mint condition, but in this > shape I'd take 5 bucks for it!" Not two seconds after the lady > leaves, I said: "I'll give you $5 for that card" and the ball starts > rolling. It turns out he has a box under the table that he says I > can dig through and pick out what I want for $5 a card. I pulled > a '55 Aaron, '55 Killibrew RC, '53 Jackie Robinson, '58 Mantle/Aaron, > a '61 Mays, '60 mantle, and a '54 Snider. Some of the cards are in > pretty nice shape, so he pulls some out that he can't sell for $5, > and my pile grows with ones that he can. Now the haggling starts, > and I am adding in some cash and he is adding in some cards, > including a bunch of 52s, some early 60s high numbers, and a 51 > Bowman and 54 Topps Richie Ashburn. Finally, I make him an offer of > $225 for the whole pile, and he just laughs--225 is his house number > and his lucky number, so a deal is struck! The cards I pulled have a > high BV of around $5,000, so I guess that less than 5% of BV is a > true OBC find. > Now I just need to figure out how to tell Terri how much cash I > dropped on beat up cardboard! > Neal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 18:50:58 EST Subject: Test Results from Revmoving glue & Paper To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I tried George's technique for removing glued paper from the back of my 1936 Goudey Hank Greenberg. First the good news: the technique works - I was easily able to remove the paper that had been glued on to the back of the Greenberg! Now the bad news, before someone glued Hank to this extra piece of paper, they had sliced him in half and removed the backof the card so that when I removed the bad paper, I was left with half a Hank. So, I need to get a complete Greenberg to refinish my 1936 Goudey set and this half a Hank is available FCFS absolutely free to the first person who claims it. I'll send it after it dries. ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: First 2 super bowl winners! Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 20:16:36 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Congrats to Neal Thomas and Brock Hattox!!! Go Pats!!!!!!!!!! Neal and Brock, make sure your lists are updated! :) The rest of you non-winners, make sure you email me approx numbers of cards you send. Did I mention....Go Pats!!!! ? ================= To: Subject: YES Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 21:10:38 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" WHAT A FINISH. WHAT A GAME. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:13:50 EST Subject: Temporary Curtailment of trading activities To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hello- this is Linda- i am sorry to report my husband had to enter the hospital on Friday, February 1- Because my job provides no health insurance and we have limited money he had to go the county hospital in Sylmar California- i am unable to visit him because i don't drive a car but i did go with him to the hospital before getting a ride home from a friend- i am keeping in contact with him by telephone-and with the nurse in the ward he is in- i hope it is not too late for the hospital to provide the medical attention he needs- Linda ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Anyone have any Adam V. cards? Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:29:33 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" That is it...Neal Thomas, Brock Hattox, Mac Wubben, and Rex Stahlman Get that cardboard in the mail! It was fun, Thanks. I knew the Pats would do it! :) ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:41:43 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 276 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com In a message dated 2/3/2002 2:23:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, John collins > As to the issue of creases -- this is interesting as well. I was brought > up in the collecting hobby over the last 10-15 years with the same notion > as the rest of you, that a card with a crease could be considered no higher > than VG+, maybe VG-EX if the crease was a really tiny hairline one. But > if you look on SGC's grading standards, they will allow a card with a tiny > hairline crease (or "spider crease," as they call it) to fall into their > EX- grade. What about creases like this that only are visible from the > back of the card? That could be a whole different issue. an EX card should have no creases. VG-EX could have a small, minor, hairline type crease but an ex card should only be off because of centering, corners, photo quality, edges, etc. i'd be real happy if all my cards were VG-EX, not to mention EX! ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:52:54 EST Subject: What a game it was To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM I'm not a big football guy. We went over the in laws to eat and watch the game. When the Rams tied it up I had that old New England feeling of it slipping away. In a strange way I feel the curse may have been broken and it excites me about the upcoming baseball season. Too superstitious? Probably. Congratulations to the pool winners. Thankfully Brock has started some new mid 60s sets. Kind of makes you wonder if he had a feeling about winning. Good night from the home of the Champion New England Patriots. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Super Bowl Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:48:11 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Congrats to Ken and other Patriots fans. Great game. Geordie (an extremely disappointed Rams fan) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Links to Super Bowl pool winners' wantlists Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 19:58:13 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Neal Thomas http://www.geocities.com/splinter_65/index.html Brock Hattox http://www.geocities.com/ecrums Mac Wubben http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/jsyoung.htm Rex Stahlman http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/enduroking.htm ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:26:11 +0800 Subject: New price guide From: " john harrell" Like most of you I don't usually fool with price guides unless it's one of the big annual ones like SCD. However, there was an auction last week for a Canadian price guide that listed all known Canadian card sets. It's called the Charlton Canadian Baseball Card price guide, 3rd ED, 364 pages published in 1998. I'm not that familiar with Canadian card sets but this one supposedly has all known sets beginning with the Imperial tobacco set of 1912. It also has a number of Canadian food sets but the big feature is a complete checklist of all Canadian born MLB players, with all their individual issues. It also has a listing of all Canadian minor league sets. If anyone is interested I have the guy's address I got this one from. The guide cost me $8 including postage. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:36:43 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Temporary Curtailment of trading activities To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hi Linda, I'm sure I speak for the group in that our thoughts and prayers are with you and your husband during this time. Take care of what you need to, OBC will be here when you and your husband are back in action! Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Temporary Curtailment of trading activities Date: 2/3/02 10:15:06 PM Eastern Standard Time From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com hello- this is Linda- i am sorry to report my husband had to enter the hospital on Friday, February 1- Because my job provides no health insurance and we have limited money he had to go the county hospital in Sylmar California- i am unable to visit him because i don't drive a car but i did go with him to the hospital before getting a ride home from a friend- i am keeping in contact with him by telephone-and with the nurse in the ward he is in- i hope it is not too late for the hospital to provide the medical attention he needs- Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (rly-yh01.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.33]) by air-yh01.mail.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINYH15-0203221506; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:15:06 -0500 Received: from n4.groups.yahoo.com (n4.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.54])by rly-yh01.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYH13-0203221444; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 22:14:44 -0500 Received: from [216.115.97.191] by n4.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Feb 2002 03:13:53 -0000 X-Sender: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 4 Feb 2002 03:13:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 72341 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2002 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.167) by m5.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Feb 2002 03:13:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta1.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2002 03:13:52 -0000 Received: from Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.26.) id r.169.8395eb1 (3862) for ; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:13:51 -0500(EST) Message-ID: <169.8395eb1.298f566e@aol.com> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows sub 114 From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 22:13:50 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Temporary Curtailment of trading activities ================= Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:40:28 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hello nthomas@pol.net (Neal Thomas), In reference to your comment: =E8 Now I just need to figure =E8 out how to tell Terri how much cash I dropped on beat =E8 up cardboard! Try flowers and a trip to the local mall ! Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes Date: 2/3/02 4:22:22 PM Eastern Standard Time From: nthomas@pol.net (Neal Thomas) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com HI all- After 2 years in OBC, I feel like I finally earned my OBC stripes. Here's how: I hit a mall show yesterday with the boys, and found a guy with a box of old Bowmans and 60s high numbers for $2 each. As usual, I didn't have my wantlist, so I picked up some that I thought I needed (including some 55 Bowman Umps, etc) and spent about $50 or Today I went back alone, armed with my wantlist, to pick through the rest of the box (somewhat lighter after a busy mall night!) As I was picking and talking with the dealer, some lady came up and was asking about some cards he had in a case. She wasn't buying, just interested in pricing. The dealer pulls out a Tipton Mint 53 Satchell Paige and says: "This card could get $1,000 in mint condition, but in this shape I'd take 5 bucks for it!" Not two seconds after the lady leaves, I said: "I'll give you $5 for that card" and the ball starts rolling. It turns out he has a box under the table that he says I can dig through and pick out what I want for $5 a card. I pulled a '55 Aaron, '55 Killibrew RC, '53 Jackie Robinson, '58 Mantle/Aaron, a '61 Mays, '60 mantle, and a '54 Snider. Some of the cards are in pretty nice shape, so he pulls some out that he can't sell for $5, and my pile grows with ones that he can. Now the haggling starts, and I am adding in some cash and he is adding in some cards, including a bunch of 52s, some early 60s high numbers, and a 51 Bowman and 54 Topps Richie Ashburn. Finally, I make him an offer of $225 for the whole pile, and he just laughs--225 is his house number and his lucky number, so a deal is struck! The cards I pulled have a high BV of around $5,000, so I guess that less than 5% of BV is a true OBC find. Now I just need to figure out how to tell Terri how much cash I dropped on beat up cardboard! To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (rly-xf05.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.229]) by air-xf02.mail.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINXF210-0203162222; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:22:22 -0500 Received: from n8.groups.yahoo.com (n8.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.58])by rly-xf05.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXF59-0203162153; Sun, 03 Feb 2002 16:21:53 -0500 Received: from [216.115.97.163] by n8.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Feb 2002 21:21:26 -0000 X-Sender: nthomas@pol.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 3 Feb 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 40500 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m9.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO web2.po.com) (64.74.36.72) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2002 21:21:25 -0000 Received: (from www@localhost) by web2.po.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id QAA25888; Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200202032114.QAA25888@web2.po.com> X-Authentication-Warning: web2.po.com: www set sender to nthomas@pol.net using -f To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Neal Thomas X-Yahoo-Profile: splinter_65 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 16:14:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Stripes ================= Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:51:05 +0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Congrats Pats Fans From: Lynn Miller I know they had a lot of fans in this group. Was a great game. Venateri sure earned his pay in the post-season. Rams too many mistakes and too little too late. Enjoy all you Pats fans! ================= To: Subject: Yahoo Messinger WebCam Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:33:20 -0500 From: "GEORGE MOORE" Any one have Yahoo Webcam setup? (Glen Codere already said he didn't want to see me - at 7AM) Tigersgam (George Moore) ================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:42:01 EST Subject: Fwd: Subject: superbowl To: Bulbman60@aol.com, SanBru@aol.com, Saratoga66@aol.com, Sox75@aol.com, From: friar4@aol.com Go Pats!!!!!!!!!! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: the hits keep (start) comming! Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 19:03:18 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" We have already logged sever damage! Check out http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/pool.htm to see what people have already found. No I'm off to do my duty as a good loser. When the rams were about to tie, I was pretty discouraged, and my son pointed out that I had 7 and 7. I told him I would rather have a pats win. Then, I realized that the 7 and 7 wouldn't help anyway, because it was the 4th quarter, but I got my wish.... Go Pats!!!! ps: keep those hits comming you fellow losers! ================= To: Subject: Ques re 1961 #273 variation Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:34:51 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" There are two main differences on the two variations. The variation on thefront of the card is in the cropping of the photo. The more common varietyhas feet 1/8 inch above the bottom edge, the less common variation has thefeet almost at the bottom of the photo say 1/16 inch above the border. On the more common card the copyright on the back starts in the top third of the card. The more difficult card has the copyright starting in the middle. You really need these cards side by side to make sure you've picked up the right one. The "difficult" card isn't all that hard to find and there should be no premium attached to it since not many people give a hoot. There are similar variations on cards 17, 98, 189, 361, 437 and 516 since the checklists were printed and included with two different series in 1961,as well as in ' 62, 63, 65, 65,66, 67,68, 69,70,71 and 1972. (in '64 the checklists turned out the same except for 76 and 517) George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:10:31 EST Subject: My current travels To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - Before I get to my current travels I want to let Linda know all of us are keeping her and her husband in our thoughts. Please let us know what we can do to help. I am a little disappointed that some in the group have decided to start using our OBC "Ramblings" to air political views. From the very beginning this group has always agreed this is not the place for political views. Please reconsider using this forum for making political statements if you do choose to do so perhaps you can send the messages to the members that are interested and leave the rest of us off your mailings. This is a personal request and if you choose to ignore it that is ok, I always have a delete button. Meanwhile I am now in Park City Utah at the Grand Summit Resort. The address Grand Summit Resort 4000 The Canyons Resort Drive Park City, UT 84098 (435) 615-8040 Room 147 My Cell Phone (510) 378-4666 I welcome a call from anyone in the group and hope to get together with anyone in the Salt Lake City area. I will be working starting at 7AM tomorrow and will not know my hours for sure until the games start. ================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:12:14 EST Subject: care at county hospitals is LOUSY To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i think the care provided by county hospital is lousy- they released my husband today and he had to drive home the 20 miles from the hospital himself partially sedated- he had to drive to the hospital too so he left his car in the parking lot- they provide no shuttle service- he also came home with a bag of medical materials - gause, pads etc- he told me they gave him the bag so he could treat the wound from the surgery himself- apparently he has to do it every day- when he did it this morning he started bleeding a lot- i think the hospital is nuts to release my husband in such bad condition- and expect him to drive home himself- at least they gave him anti biotics to help the infection that set in when they had to cut him open for absesses- also during the day today he was sweating and yelling .he was really out of it--i suspect it is a form of withdrawl from all the morphine they shot in him to kill the pain- he definitely told me they gave him shots of morphine- i just wish i had health insurance with my job so he could get decent care-but at least he is home and still alive- i also found out that last night somehow he "wandered" out of his room and left the hospital and was found in the parking lot- i asked him about this today- and he said the morphine shots made him worry about his car being stolen- he wanted to check if it was still there- a patient told him to move his car if it was in the back of the parking lot because cars in the lot of the county hospital are frequently targets for thieves who know patients there leave their cars in the parking lot- no security in the parking lot either- hospital can't afford it- he actually walked out of the hospital and moved his car- then got disoriented and couldn't find his way back in- until nurses found him in the parking lot- what kind of security does a county hospital have when patients after surgeries and under sedation can walk out the doors of the hospital unquestioned?? i am getting treally angry at the care he has received at that hospital- Linda ================= Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 21:33:55 EST Subject: V02 golf tournament To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com It's come to my attention that there are those that are upset about the choosing of the teams at V01's golf tournament. For those that are upset I sincerely apologize. I did the best I could to make the teams even, but I guess there are feeling that my team was stacked with the best players. I spent 28 years of my life in the golf business and got out of it for reasons such as this. Golf is a game whose traditions are very near and dear to me. It is a game of honor, sportsmanship and great camaraderie among the participants. I have very fond memories of the early tournaments we had at the Vegas events and have pictures of the original foursome hanging in my office. As with other things, perhaps the golf tournament has run it's course and the time it takes would be better utilized for other activities this year. Rest Well, ================= To: Subject: Another strange eBay deal Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:17:26 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Check out http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1070243490 This is a 1912 T202 Hassan Triple Folder of Collins and Baker with stains, creases, and tape. With 4 days left the high bid is $16.66. The kicker isthe last line of the description which reads: "This card also says that this is a dover reprint." Dover reprints come in a booklet form with several cards on a page (perforated). I have the book this reprint comes from. It contains 98 cards and the booklet retails for $3.95, so I figure the card in mint condition is worth 4 cents. And the card in Tipton condition has a bid of $16.66? Doesn'tany one read the descriptions any more? Maybe I should punch out my reprints, soil them, crease them, and put tape on them, and then put them on eBay. Lets see, 98 cards times $16.66 . . . -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:48:36 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02 golf tournament To: Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I can't believe anyone would really complain about the teams, I am sure it was a poorly worded complaint in jest and no one meant the teams were unfair. I, for one, will be very disappointed if we eliminate the golf tournament it is one of the traditions I happen to enjoy a lot. And besides anyone with me on their team cannot be stacking the deck! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: V02 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 05:54:16 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" All the talk about V02 is getting me interested in thinking about coming along for the ride. In order to decide, I need to talk to someone about howmuch I need to budget for a room / meals / anything else significant. Thanks. AOL IM srittenber ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Available 1979 #369 Bump Wills (Rangers) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 13:14:24 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" My search through wantlists didn't come up with anyone who needs this card.If you need this one, let me know. In case of more than one person interested, it will go to the person with the shortest list. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 14:24:34 EST Subject: V02 golf tourney To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i hope you don't eliminate the golf tournament for the Las Vegas get together-even though my husband and i have never played golf we would like to go and watch the tournament if we are able to attend the Las Vegas get together this year in May- we have never seen a golf tournament --(and it will keep my husband away from the crap tables losing a lot of our money- and he NEVER ever wins anything-that is why i generally don't like Las Vegas-everytime me and my husband have gone there we have both lost and lost and lost money no matter what games we play- if you are poor there is no fun in going to a place you never can win anything -at least the OBC get together will make it fun to go back to Las Vegas again) Linda ================= To: "Geno Wagner" , Subject: Howard Rabinowitz Project Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:50:11 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" New server, new message, same good old story :-) Detective Wagner might have stumbled on something here, and at least one of the addresses I found is in New Jersey, near Philadelphia... Lookin' good. But (if it isn't too late) I don't think we should contact the guy if we don't have to. Of course, this is where we need the real detectives (HINT HINT, all Canadian Royal Mounties) to figure out how we can determine who the guy is and keep it a surprise. Some deception is of course okay, but I think we should plan out the deception a little... Can you tell I've been sick for a few days and looking for an excuse to focus on something else for a change! - Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geno Wagner" To: "OBC Thanks" ; "Lynn Miller" ; "Rick Redpath" Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:05 PM Subject: Howard R. > Rick, Lynn and others -- > I just did a search for Howard Rabinowitz and found a bunch of different > ones as authors of papers. The first one that came up with an email (from > Philadelphia, PA - close to Pittsburgh anyway), was: > howard.rabinowitz@mail.tju.edu > I was going to email him, but I didn't know if anybody else had. I'll > it to one of you sleuths if you want to pursue the lead - what a cool > project! > Take Care, Geno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Redpath" > To: "OBC Thanks" ; "Lynn Miller" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:41 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks > > The Howard Rabinowitz Story, Part I. > > > > Our hero Howard got the date correct, which was Saturday, May 4th, 1957. > > And he got the teams correct, at least some of the ones that played that > > day. But he got the scores wrong (I think, according to my source). I > > believe the Indians beat the Red Sox 5-2, and the Reds beat the Giants > > the same score, 5-2. This comes from what looks like a V E R Y cool > > called: > > > > http://www.pubdim.net/baseballlibrary/chronology/ > > > > Anyway, as for Howard, regrettably he no longer lives on Beechwood St > > Ave, Place, Way or any other paved or unpaved designation...). Nor does > he > > live in Pittsburgh. Or Pennsylvania. In the US there seem to be > currently > > 10 people named Howard Rabinowitz, who reside at the following > > > > 470 Spring Green Rd, Warwick, RI 02888-5344 (401)463-6130 > > 41 Round Hill Rd, Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522-3310 (914)693-7723 > > 425 Neptune Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11224-4559 (718)946-8760 > > 31 Lakeville Dr, Roslyn, NY 11576-2514 (516)625-0503 > > 5814 Benning Dr, Houston, TX 77096-6029 (713)729-5631 > > 1606 S Bluebonnet Cir, College Station, TX 77845-6223 (979)695-8874 > > 1460 Saint Andrews Dr, Broomfield, CO 80020-1233 (303)464-9406 > > Los Angeles, CA 90039 (323)660-2383 > > 26 Liberty Ln, Cherry Hill, NJ 08002-1638 (856)667-9697 > > 318 Osprey Ln, Voorhees, NJ 08043-1620 (856)424-9160 > > > > The source here is the notoriously unreliable switchboard.com, but I > > the fast and easy way to try to find him. So, what are the odds that > of > > these Howards is the one we're looking for? Probably pretty slim. > > detectives are welcome on this, one of the most interesting cases of > > Anybody else intrigued? > > > > - Rick > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Lynn Miller" > > To: "OBC Thanks" > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:32 AM > > Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks > > > > > > > First and always it seems to Steve Rittenberg for a couple more > > > cards (aren't all the ones he sends great cards or what?). 64 Topps > > > "Charlie Hustle" (who will someday be in the HOF). Need I say more > > > about this great player. Also pretty neat 57 Topps card that is on my > > > list only because Beckett's listed them so I assume they must be part > > > the set. It's one of those NNO's of the Bazooka Baseball Contest > > > cards. This one is for Saturday, May 4th (I assume 1957) and 2 games > > > were scheduled. Red Sox vs Indians and Reds vs Giants. Now what is > > > really cool about this card (I've never seen one, so bear with me for > > > those that this is old news, I think it's cool) is this was an entry > > > card for a prize from Bazooka. You write in the winning scores and > > > the card to Bazooka for a random drawing. Apparently not mailed but > > > filled in. Now who wants to tell me if the Red Sox beat the Indians > > > and the Reds beat the Giants 3-2 that day. I'm sure we have the > > > technology on this one. If those are correct, what I would really > > > to do is find out if the entrant is still kicking and maybe get him > > > left-handed glove he wanted. Howard Rabinowitz, 3583 Beechwood, > > > Pittsburgh 17 (when we had 2 digit zips), PA So who in that area > > > to try and see if Howard is still around and maybe do something really > > > "OBC" for him. I realize the odds are long on him still being in the > > > area, but you never know. At least his name wasn't William Smith :>) > > > Thanks Steve for the really great cards again and for a wonderful > > > challenge in possibly fulfilling someone's youthful baseball dreams. > > > Didn't we all have them? > > > To another good friend and former OBC member, Ralph Genova, for some > > > truly fantastic cards. A 55 Topps Bauer, 61 Topps hi of Bob Cerv, and > > > the reason this is such a fantastic package, 2 vintage Hank Aaron > > > cards. His 69 Transogram card (I really didn't know what to expect on > > > this > > > one, but it is a beautiful card of Hank) and the 76 Hostess card. And > > > what truly makes this special is this is Hank's birthday. Thanks a > > > Ralph for these "very special" cards. > > > "OBC Rules!" Lynn > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:31:51 EST Subject: Assortment of off-grade '50s cards available To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com I've been upgrading some of the sets, particularly the '54 Topps, and have bought a few e-bay lots that have resulted in duplicates. Consequently, I have the following cards available on a FCFS basis, all looking for good 1954 Topps 142, 204, 231 1954 Bowman 43, 111, 126, 137, 140, 200, 201 1959 Topps 128, 134, 179, 189, 252, 288, 305, 323, 328, 337, 354 ================= Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:46:40 +0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Howard Rabinowitz Project From: Lynn Miller Sounds like this has piqued the interest of a few. I sort of thought it was a nice thing to try and do. But a valid point has been made by another member. We should consider the matter of privacy. So as not to invade. And I'm sure we all want that. That being said, here's what I have to say. If a name is listed in a public record like a telephone book or on a public website where there obviously hasn't been "extra" effort to list someone, I'm 99% of the population is aware they could be contacted about anything by anyone at anytime. Like none of us have ever received an unsolicited inquiry. While it is annoying to most, it's part of life. And most of the annoying ones are simply just salesmen or professional solicitors trying to earn a living just like anyone else. Well you could go on and on about the pros and cons of this. But if there is a way to find out if any of the aforementioned Howard Rabinowitz's lived on Beechwood in 57, I could just about guarantee that he would probably be ultra-thrilled to know where his little card has ended up and that there is someone who wants to fulfill a boyhood (would assume he was a young boy at the time, but off course no way of really knowing that either) baseball wish almost 50 years later. So I'll leave it to the group whether to pursue this or not. Personally I think if Howard had this wish for a baseball glove as a youngster, odds are he's like most of us and that youngster and the love for baseball is still in him. Rick Redpath wrote: > New server, new message, same good old story :-) > Detective Wagner might have stumbled on something here, and at least one of > the addresses I found is in New Jersey, near Philadelphia... Lookin' good. > But (if it isn't too late) I don't think we should contact the guy if we > don't have to. Of course, this is where we need the real detectives (HINT > HINT, all Canadian Royal Mounties) to figure out how we can determine who > the guy is and keep it a surprise. Some deception is of course okay, but I > think we should plan out the deception a little... > Can you tell I've been sick for a few days and looking for an excuse to > focus on something else for a change! > - Rick > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geno Wagner" > To: "OBC Thanks" ; "Lynn Miller" > ; "Rick Redpath" > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 4:05 PM > Subject: Howard R. > > Rick, Lynn and others -- > > > > I just did a search for Howard Rabinowitz and found a bunch of different > > ones as authors of papers. The first one that came up with an email (from > > Philadelphia, PA - close to Pittsburgh anyway), was: > > > > howard.rabinowitz@mail.tju.edu > > > > I was going to email him, but I didn't know if anybody else had. I'll > leave > > it to one of you sleuths if you want to pursue the lead - what a cool > > project! > > > > Take Care, Geno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rick Redpath" > > To: "OBC Thanks" ; "Lynn Miller" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:41 AM > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks > > > > > > > The Howard Rabinowitz Story, Part I. > > > > > > Our hero Howard got the date correct, which was Saturday, May 4th, 1957. > > > And he got the teams correct, at least some of the ones that played that > > > day. But he got the scores wrong (I think, according to my source). I > > > believe the Indians beat the Red Sox 5-2, and the Reds beat the Giants > by > > > the same score, 5-2. This comes from what looks like a V E R Y cool > site > > > called: > > > > > > http://www.pubdim.net/baseballlibrary/chronology/ > > > > > > Anyway, as for Howard, regrettably he no longer lives on Beechwood St > (or > > > Ave, Place, Way or any other paved or unpaved designation...). Nor does > > he > > > live in Pittsburgh. Or Pennsylvania. In the US there seem to be > > currently > > > 10 people named Howard Rabinowitz, who reside at the following > addresses: > > > > > > 470 Spring Green Rd, Warwick, RI 02888-5344 (401)463-6130 > > > 41 Round Hill Rd, Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522-3310 (914)693-7723 > > > 425 Neptune Ave, Brooklyn, NY 11224-4559 (718)946-8760 > > > 31 Lakeville Dr, Roslyn, NY 11576-2514 (516)625-0503 > > > 5814 Benning Dr, Houston, TX 77096-6029 (713)729-5631 > > > 1606 S Bluebonnet Cir, College Station, TX 77845-6223 (979)695-8874 > > > 1460 Saint Andrews Dr, Broomfield, CO 80020-1233 (303)464-9406 > > > Los Angeles, CA 90039 (323)660-2383 > > > 26 Liberty Ln, Cherry Hill, NJ 08002-1638 (856)667-9697 > > > 318 Osprey Ln, Voorhees, NJ 08043-1620 (856)424-9160 > > > > > > The source here is the notoriously unreliable switchboard.com, but I > took > > > the fast and easy way to try to find him. So, what are the odds that > one > > of > > > these Howards is the one we're looking for? Probably pretty slim. > Other > > > detectives are welcome on this, one of the most interesting cases of > 2002. > > > Anybody else intrigued? > > > > > > - Rick > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Lynn Miller" > > > To: "OBC Thanks" > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:32 AM > > > Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Thanks > > > > > > > > > > First and always it seems to Steve Rittenberg for a couple more > great > > > > cards (aren't all the ones he sends great cards or what?). 64 Topps > of > > > > "Charlie Hustle" (who will someday be in the HOF). Need I say more > > > > about this great player. Also pretty neat 57 Topps card that is on my > > > > list only because Beckett's listed them so I assume they must be part > of > > > > the set. It's one of those NNO's of the Bazooka Baseball Contest > > > > cards. This one is for Saturday, May 4th (I assume 1957) and 2 games > > > > were scheduled. Red Sox vs Indians and Reds vs Giants. Now what is > > > > really cool about this card (I've never seen one, so bear with me for > > > > those that this is old news, I think it's cool) is this was an entry > > > > card for a prize from Bazooka. You write in the winning scores and > mail > > > > the card to Bazooka for a random drawing. Apparently not mailed but > > > > filled in. Now who wants to tell me if the Red Sox beat the Indians > 4-2 > > > > and the Reds beat the Giants 3-2 that day. I'm sure we have the > > > > technology on this one. If those are correct, what I would really > like > > > > to do is find out if the entrant is still kicking and maybe get him > that > > > > left-handed glove he wanted. Howard Rabinowitz, 3583 Beechwood, > > > > Pittsburgh 17 (when we had 2 digit zips), PA So who in that area > wants > > > > to try and see if Howard is still around and maybe do something really > > > > "OBC" for him. I realize the odds are long on him still being in the > > > > area, but you never know. At least his name wasn't William Smith :>) > > > > Thanks Steve for the really great cards again and for a wonderful > > > > challenge in possibly fulfilling someone's youthful baseball dreams. > > > > Didn't we all have them? > > > > To another good friend and former OBC member, Ralph Genova, for some > > > > truly fantastic cards. A 55 Topps Bauer, 61 Topps hi of Bob Cerv, and > > > > the reason this is such a fantastic package, 2 vintage Hank Aaron > > > > cards. His 69 Transogram card (I really didn't know what to expect on > > > > this > > > > one, but it is a beautiful card of Hank) and the 76 Hostess card. And > > > > what truly makes this special is this is Hank's birthday. Thanks a > heap > > > > Ralph for these "very special" cards. > > > > "OBC Rules!" Lynn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > > OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Available stuff Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:28:23 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1. Book -"The National Pastime - Baseball in the Ninteenth Century" greatpictures about 300 all from the 1800's. 2. A 1991 Slam Dunk Champion card of Dee Brown - autographed 3. 1952 Topps: #12 4. 1963 Topps: #388 5. 1967 Topps #294 6. 1972 Topps #499, 33, 101, 192, 229, 340, 367, 368, 373, 380, 396, 390, 98, 105, 107, 113, 354, 476, 366. 7. 1976 Topps #556(Twins) a real keeper!!, 358, 640. Thanks to all. Bob Wells.... ================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:30:38 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] V02--prices To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Room: Alladin can be shared for around $45 a night. Food and Drink: ribs are free, I usually bring about $35 a day for food and drink (although at the ballpark it is a little more) Gambling: up to you but I usually come with about $300 to play with Cards: Again, up to you, I usually drop about $100 at the store (I always find something I "need") Incidentals: $50 just in case A great time had by all: priceless ================= Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 19:00:07 EST Subject: UV warning! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hi guys, I need a little UV help. I'd post to the correct area, but I'll be damned if I know how to do it. I'm lucky I'm still on these 4! Anyways, someone has some Mets I need and he's looking to get some hits that I can't supply him with. Any help is appreciated! ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" , Subject: test - new email address Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:27:33 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Hi all - just finished getting wireless DSL installed. I've been limping along with 28.8 all this time and decided to join the internet superhighway.I'm sending these out to make sure I got the new email addy signed up correctly over at Yahoo. New address is geordie@mercednet.com kinda sad letting the old one go - it's the only one I've ever used (with the exception of a few AOL ones) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: test Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:41:57 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" ================= Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 03:10:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1962 Sporting News From: "bobs7714" The Sporting News dated Aug. 25, 1962, arrived today from my former mentor and still great friend Grant Rainsley. The stories and box scores took me back to the age of 17 and made me forget for a time the troubled world we now live in. There are so many I could talk about but this beauty has a lot of stops ahead of it and lots of stories for others to The one that jumped out at me was written by a Japanese writer telling about Don Newcombe and Larry Doby going to Japan to play for the Nagoya Dragons for 20k a piece and traveling expenses. Another told about 41 year old Stan Musial hittng three home runs in a game in July of that year. Grant included some "inserts" as he called them in different parts of the magazine.......79` OPC Ozzie, 60T Bill Virdon, a 54 Bowman Roy McMillan, my Homer, which has a variation, and an Isaly`s disc of Tom Seaver as a Red. I like this idea of "inserts" and will carry on this new tradition. Since the purpose of this mailing, besides the enjoyment of the stories, is to rack up mileage here are the current totals: St. Louis to Vancouver in August 1962 1776 miles Vancouver to Crescent Springs Ky. 2013 miles Anyone wanting on this list just send an email and I will include your name before passing it on in the direction of California to rack up another 2186.51 miles. Bob Schaub ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: rabinowitz Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:27:35 From: "jeff sinclair" sleuths, if the leads you've come upon lead to deadends in the search for howard i may have another direction to try. i've found a leo rabinowitz who lives on beechwood blvd. about a mile from me here in pittsburgh. the street # is different but it is in the same block and the numbers may have changed over the years. the zip there now is either 15226 or 15216, can we check that?? could be a relative..... Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 06:09:38 EST Subject: a story worth sharing! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com A Feel Good Story with a surprise ending... In a supermarket, Kurtis the stock boy was busily working when a new voice came over the intercom asking for a carry-out at register 4. Kurtis was almost finished, wanted to get some fresh air, and decided to answer the call. As he approached the check-out stand, a distant smile caught his eye, --- the new check-out girl was beautiful. She was an older woman (maybe 26, and he was only 22), and he fell in love. Later that day, after his shift was over, he waited by the punch clock to find out her name. She came into the break room, smiled softly at him, took her card and punched out, then left. He looked at her card, BRENDA. He walked out only to see her start walking up the road. Next day, he waited outside as she left the supermarket, and offered her a ride home. He looked harmless enough, and she accepted. When he dropped her off, he asked if maybe he could see her again, outside of work. She simply said it wasn't possible. He pressed, and she explained she had two children and she couldn't afford a baby-sitter. So he offered to pay for the baby-sitter. Reluctantly, she accepted his offer for a date for the following Saturday. That Saturday night he arrived at her door, only to have her tell him that she was unable to go with him. The baby-sitter had called and canceled. To which Kurtis simply said, "Well, let's take the kids with us." She tried to explain that taking the children was not an option. But again, not taking no for an answer, he pressed. Finally, Brenda brought him inside to meet her children. She had an older daughter who was just as cute as a bug, Kurtis thought. Then Brenda brought out her son, in a wheelchair. He was born a paraplegic with Downs Syndrome. Kurtis asked Brenda, "I still don't understand why the kids can't come with us?" Brenda was amazed. Most men would run away from a woman with two kids, especially if one had disabilities. Just like her first husband and father of her children had done. That evening, Kurtis and Brenda loaded up the kids, and went to dinner and the movies. When her son needed, anything Kurtis would take care of him. When he needed to use the rest room, he picked him up out of his chair, took him, brought him back. The kids loved Kurtis. At the end of the evening, Brenda knew this was the man she was going to marry and spend the rest of her life with. A year later, they were married and Kurtis adopted both of her children. Since they have added two more kids. So what happened to the stock boy and the check-out girl? Well, Mr. & Mrs. Kurt Warner now live in St. Louis, where he is employed by the St. Louis Rams and plays quarterback. He was the NFL's Most Valuable Player this past year, for the second time. And, next Sunday, he will lead the St. Louis Rams in the Super Bowl Game against the New England Patriots. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1802334341: 1940's St. Louis Cards Era, EX+ NR 68 diff. Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 06:12:14 PST From: nthomas@pol.net Hi all- Are these reprints, or a Cardinals specific vintage set. Anyone know? Title of item: 1940's St. Louis Cards Era, EX+ NR 68 diff. Starts: Jan-31-02 09:33:28 PST Ends: Feb-07-02 09:33:28 PST Price: Currently $2.25 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1802334341 Item Description: Great set of the cardinal greats from the 40's Musial, Schendoist, Marion, Garigiola, slaughter amd many more. Don't miss this great set. On Feb-01-02 at 14:14:27 PST, seller added the following information: After purchasing, pay instantly with your credit card through PayPal! function dw(nu){document.write(s1+"ppslv"+nu+".gif"+s2+sA[nu]);} f1="document.links";s1="\","\"Winning bidder, click here to pay instantly by credit card!\"\","\"Winning bidder, click here to pay instantly by credit card!\"\"); for(i=0;i=0){c1++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].search")).indexOf("BetterSeller")=0){c2++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].search")).indexOf("ListItemForSaleShow")=0){c3++;}else if((eval(f1+"["+i+"].hash")).indexOf("ListItemForSaleAutosShow")=0){c4++;}}} for(i=0;i0){s11=document.links[i].search;j=s11.indexOf(f13);if(j0){s11=s11.slice((j+(f13.length)));for(k=0;k=0){var p=new Array();p[0]=document.links[i].protocol;p[1]=document.links[i].hostname;p[2]=document.links[i].pathname;for(j=0;j Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: memory upgrade help Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:38:03 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" ok, I guess I'm gonna have to admit I'm an official computer idiot. I go to Costco last night while waiting for Windows XP to install (everything works pretty good - thanks Dave Fallen for the tips!) and get some more memory. I've been running on 128 and bought 256 more. So I plug it in - pretty straightforward stuff. Well, I can't get the computer to boot up and recognize the new memory. Tried taking it out and puting it back in several times. Finally I take the 256 out and it loads just fine. Back at 128 for the time being. Anyone have any clue what I may be doing wrong? Maybe the memory chip I bought is bad? Any help is appreciated! ================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 12:10:59 EST Subject: Re: H. Rabinowitz To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com We HAVE to find this person...this is SOOOO OBC. This is why we love this group. i would love to be there when he gets his glove. Did anyone think to contact Topps? Maybe he got it already and the card was saved from the trash at Topps and made its way to the industry that way? ================= Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:07:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Speaking of eBay sellers with lots of negative feeback... From: "david_skoglund_mn" I checked out some of the Topps Vault (topps_vault) auctions today. A little more than 10% of their feedback is negative. It is interesting to see the scans of the proof sheets and such, but the prices are a little steep. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 17:58:42 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" I know there are some of you working on 1933 Goudeys so I thought I'd alert you guys (and girl). There's a Tipton #144 Ruth on ebay. The seller didn't list the year so there might not be a lot of traffic for it. Title of item: Babe Ruth Baseball Card Goudey Cum Co. Starts: Feb-06-02 04:52:21 PST Ends: Feb-13-02 04:52:21 PST Price: Currently $31.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803361746 Item Description: First I know nothing about baseball cards. This Auction is as is. Please enlighten me if my ignorance is showing. This card was found in an estate, in its plastic holder. We have not opened it! It looks as though it has been trimmed. It also looks very old and since this estate was in storage for about 20 years I at least know it is that old. The card Reads No. 144- George Herman (Babe) Ruth-New York Yankees. Then a paragraph of Bla Bla Bla.... Then at the bottom it says, This is one of a series of 240 Baseball Stars, Big League Chewing Gum, Goudey gum Co. Boston MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:35:53 -0500 From: "John Collins" FYI -- The card is a reprint -- has black ink on the back. All original '33 Goudey's had green ink on the back. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay I know there are some of you working on 1933 Goudeys so I thought I'd alert you guys (and girl). There's a Tipton #144 Ruth on ebay. The seller didn't list the year so there might not be a lot of traffic for it. Title of item: Babe Ruth Baseball Card Goudey Cum Co. Seller: purplebarn Starts: Feb-06-02 04:52:21 PST Ends: Feb-13-02 04:52:21 PST Price: Currently $31.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1803361746 Item Description: First I know nothing about baseball cards. This Auction is as is. Please enlighten me if my ignorance is showing. This card was found in an estate, in its plastic holder. We have not opened it! It looks as though it has been trimmed. It also looks very old and since this estate was in storage for about 20 years I at least know it is that old. The card Reads No. 144- George Herman (Babe) Ruth-New York Yankees. Then a paragraph of Bla Bla Bla.... Then at the bottom it says, This is one of a series of 240 Baseball Stars, Big League Chewing Gum, Goudey gum Co. Boston MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Forget about the Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 18:20:59 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Thanks John, Sorry guys. I learned something today. I hope I didn't mess anybody up. Picture 3 clearly shows the black ink on the back of the card. Maybe the word "reprint" is on one of the trimmed pieces? >From: "John Collins" >To: , "Robert Reed" >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:35:53 -0500 >FYI -- The card is a reprint -- has black ink on the back. All original >'33 Goudey's had green ink on the back. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Reed > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 5:58 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trimmed 1933 Goudey Ruth on eBay > I know there are some of you working on 1933 Goudeys so I thought I'd > you guys (and girl). > There's a Tipton #144 Ruth on ebay. The seller didn't list the year so > there might not be a lot of traffic for it. > Title of item: Babe Ruth Baseball Card Goudey Cum Co. > Seller: purplebarn > Starts: Feb-06-02 04:52:21 PST > Ends: Feb-13-02 04:52:21 PST > Price: Currently $31.00 > To bid on the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803361746 > Item Description: > First I know nothing about baseball cards. This Auction is as is. > enlighten me if my ignorance is showing. This card was found in an > in its plastic holder. We have not opened it! It looks as though it > been trimmed. It also looks very old and since this estate was in > for about 20 years I at least know it is that old. The card Reads No. > George Herman (Babe) Ruth-New York Yankees. Then a paragraph of Bla Bla > Bla.... Then at the bottom it says, This is one of a series of 240 > Stars, Big League Chewing Gum, Goudey gum Co. Boston > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 19:04:11 EST Subject: V02 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com What are the dates? ================= Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2002 08:38:09 +0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: H. Rabinowitz From: Lynn Miller Have we decided to do this? I won't be able to take charge of this task if we do, my remoteness fails me here. Any volunteers to be the leader on this one. I'd be glad to buy the glove. But first did we determine if the scores he wrote in were correct or not? If not, perhaps a consolation prize would be more in order. Something definitely OBC. Lynn Wite3@aol.com wrote: > We HAVE to find this person...this is SOOOO OBC. This is why we love this > group. i would love to be there when he gets his glove. Did anyone think to > contact Topps? Maybe he got it already and the card was saved from the trash > at Topps and made its way to the industry that way? > -joshua > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Massachusetts Guys Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 22:52:31 -0800 From: "yaz" If any of you fine fellows living in the great state of Massachusetts scored an extra sportspage from the Globe or Herald from last Monday (Day after Super Sunday----Yeah Patriots!!), I would like to store it for you for the next 40 or 50 years or so. Greg (yaz) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: snipers resource Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:14:29 -0800 From: "John Collins" I can't believe a site like this actually exists, but check out: Some may find this to be somewhat unethical, but this is a site which will allow you to input information for an auction that you wish to bid on (apparently it works with ebay only at the moment) and then the system will automatically place a sniper bid for you at your maximum amount at whatever point in time you would like it to (like say, 3 seconds before the auction Personally, I see nothing wrong with this (ebay like every other marketplace is one in which the buyer should beware) though I think they will probably block this site before too long to safeguard their reputation. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] snipers resource Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 12:34:51 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- Personally, I don't play the sniper game, nor do I care when I get "snipped." I always put in my final bid and leave it at that. If somebody bids more, than so be it. If I start bidding late, I find myself getting carried away and spending more than I otherwise would have. That's my two cents for what it's worth (3 cents if there was only 2 seconds left of Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Collins" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] snipers resource > I can't believe a site like this actually exists, but check out: > www.auctionsniper.com > Some may find this to be somewhat unethical, but this is a site > which will allow you to input information for an auction that > you wish to bid on (apparently it works with ebay only at the > moment) and then the system will automatically place a sniper > bid for you at your maximum amount at whatever point in time > you would like it to (like say, 3 seconds before the auction > closes). > Personally, I see nothing wrong with this (ebay like every other > marketplace is one in which the buyer should beware) though I > think they will probably block this site before too long to safeguard > their reputation. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 16:41:09 EST Subject: Because Bama MADE me do it. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com DIAMOND STARS Four of them arrived in the mail today from Bama in an attempt to FORCE me to add them to my wantlist. Any advice on the Diamond Stars set? I am NOT going to collect the variations I MIGHT not even go for the last 10 rare cards Aside from that, how tough is the set? Any advice or help? Mark T206Guy Atnip ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] snipers resource Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 13:52:11 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" Aside from sniping tools, there are some other useful utilities available at: http://www.vrane.com/f.html ================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:00:54 EST Subject: tim newcomb please email me To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com apologies to everyone else Tim, I can't seem to make my emails to you go through. I keep getting a bounce message. Email me about the hweils and T213s. ================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:03:24 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV warning--wantlist To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hi Guys, Here is the wantlist from the guy who is looking for the 1995 UD Gold Sigs. Any help here is appreciated as it will induce cards to come off my Met list. BTW, can anyone help me with where I should really post these UV needs? Thanks guys... 2 12 13 15 28 29 31 32 51 82 83 84 85 94 95 97 99 103 107 108 110 111 112 119 121 128 129 135 137 138 142 144 150 151 171 172 178 179 187 200 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 229 230 231 232 253 254 255 256 257 264 265 266 267 280 284 285 290 292 299 300 304 329 330 335 339 343 345 341 352 363 368 376 377 378 390 391 395 396 397 402 405 407 408 409 410 411 413 414 416 417 418 424 425 426 438 439 440 441 445 446 451 452 459 460 461 462 474 482 483 484 485 486 497 498 503 504 508 509 510 526 ================= Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:46:14 EST Subject: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com This columnist spotted soon to be wed, James Moleta, spending his honeymoon fund on 1913 Cracker Jacks Cards tonight at a Roger Neufeldt table. There may still be a possibility that the hopelessly in-love card collector will return to his former habits and loosen his betrothal shackles. Watch for future trades from the former love-slave as he seeks his former happiness with OBC buddies. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 06:46:59 EST Subject: 1941 Doube Plays anyone?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com An old college drinking buddy sent me 10 beat up '41 Double Plays yesterday. He said he picked them up at a Flea Market outside of Boston. Three were dupes: 13-14, 27-28, and 95-96. Does anyone (but me) collect these things? Does anyone want any of these three cards? Let me know. Thanks. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: still available Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 12:56:24 -0800 From: "John Collins" These two cards are still sitting in my desk at work, waiting to be claimed: 1957 Topps #91 - Mack Burk, Phillies (the back of the card tells us that Mack was a bonus baby to the tune of $40,000 in '56. It also shows a perfect 1.000 batting average for Mack that season -- he went 1 for 1, although he played in 15 games -- maybe he pinch ran a alot?) 1959 Topps #302 - Don Mossi, Tigers (once upon a time Don was listed as one of baseball's "ugliest players" on the OBC website) Let me know if you could use either of these gentlemen in your sets, and I will be happy to walk across the street to the post office and drop them in the mail to you. It is a nice day outside in Winston-Salem. Take care, ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 16:45:10 EST Subject: Vegas 2002 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Believe it or not, I'm planning ahead on V02. I have been contacted by the 51s (Local AAA Dodger team) about the game on Saturday night. As in the past, this game will be a fireworks show, so the group sales are filling up I need to purchase at least 20 tickets to get us in as a group, so I need a count of who needs how many tickets for the game. I realize that there are some who are not sure, so if you could give me a percentage probability (ex. 80% sure) it would help in determining the amount of tickets we will need. Note to Al: as well as a probability of coming, perhaps you could give a probability of showing up! Rest Well, ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2002 17:42:15 -0500 From: "James Moleta" That wasn't me! That was my Bizarro-world evil twin Jimmy Suitcase! ...OK, maybe I DID sneak outta work early yesterday to meet Roger Neufeldt, and maybe I DID look at some 1914-15 Cracker Jacks, but I didnt buy them! I wouldnt dare risk my upcoming nuptials on cardboard like that, would I? No, as a matter of fact I resisted buying my 1st vintage Cracker Jack card (I have some of those mid-90s mini CJs, but I don't think they count), and was damn proud of myself...until Roger revealed a 49 Bowman PCL card & a 54 Wilson's Weiners STAN HACK! How could I resist two rarities like those, especially an OBC fave like Hack? Roger had me reeling, but we carved out a reasonable price, and I left knowing that I wouldnt be in hot water w/ the future Mrs Moleta. Now if I can only convince her that Valentine's Day isn't REALLY coming next week... BTW, Roger had tons of other cool pre-war (a Schutter-Johnson Cochrane, C46 Imperial Canadian Minor League cards, a big box of pre-war pins/buttons, a bleeder from the 34-36 Diamond Stars set for $25, caramel cards of Federal Leaguers, a 36 Canadian Goudey, etc). If anyone is interested in such cards at moderately OBC prices - not too high but higher than I wanted to pay w/ a wedding coming up - let me know, and I'll try and beat Brock (and possibly Mac) to the kitty tomorrow if I can. Jimmy "Suitcase" Moleta Message: 1 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:46:14 EST From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting This columnist spotted soon to be wed, James Moleta, spending his honeymoon fund on 1913 Cracker Jacks Cards tonight at a Roger Neufeldt table. There may still be a possibility that the hopelessly in-love card collector will return to his former habits and loosen his betrothal shackles. Watch for future trades from the former love-slave as he seeks his former happiness with OBC buddies. [This message contained attachments] Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 19:25:17 EST Subject: Globetrotters on Ebay To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I know someone is collecting this set... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803132318 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803132315 ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:03:54 EST Subject: can someone help To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I received an email from a lady who's mother has cards she calls silkies. she says they are white silks ..sounded very much like S74's until she said one was put out by Sweet Corporal factory 42. I'm not aware that Sweet corporal did silks, but they sure did have a factory 42. Any ideas? She doesn't have a scanner. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 09:50:59 +0800 To: John Collins Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] snipers resource From: Lynn Miller I suppose I need to throw my 2¢ (or 3) into this. Sniper. Personally care for the term, think it was instituted by a burnt bidder. We all the same opportunity to bid. And that's the way I look at it. An opportunity. I mean it if you really want something, you're going to the personal time and initiative to get it. It's like going to the two days ahead of time with your sleeping bag and lawn chair to get good tickets to something you want to see. And there are those who have ill-feelings about this because they think they are being deprived of same opportunity to get what they want also. We all have different situations to deal with and just have to do what is best for ourselves much as possible. Some are willing to sacrifice a little more of their time or whatever. I've done this type of bidding many times in the past, only on those items I really want. To me it's just simple strategy. I to careful with "OBC courtesy" as much as possible, but I'm sure I have infringed inadvertently once or twice somewhere along the way. I've successful on almost 900 eBay items and bid on probably 5 times that many. And Geno (as well as many others who have discussed this topic before) makes a good point. If I am overbid at the last moment, also happened many times, I say "good" for the lucky person. They were quicker and wanted to pay more for it than I did. No bad feelings toward the person on my part. Just some momentary disappointment. But that's soon gone when I see the next challenge ahead. There are tons of them and that's part of the fun. Is this site for me. You bet and I'll tell you why. First and foremost, is the time difference. I'm completely opposite of most of you. when seller's list their items, they do it during their normal awake time, my normal sleep time, and the items close at those times. I have lost before because I wanted to watch items at closing time. While I have successful many times and gotten some really good deals, there have been much higher number of times when the sacrifice didn't make it worth it. take the bad with the good. There are items that I track using the feature of eBay, just like I'm sure many of you do. It's a great because it's like playing poker. You don't have to show your hand (bid) until you want to. Additionally, any bid just adds one more increment the seller and adds to the final price. So with this site I can list items I want to make a bid "for me". Is this unethical? Not in my situation. So I'm trying it on a couple of items right now. The only negative to using this for me is that by using this "tool" I won't be who is bidding at the last moment and I could "ace out" (my preferred another OBCer. But one thing I will guarantee you. This card is either me, or for someone in OBC. May not be that person who bid on it, but are pretty good it could be if it's a premium or scarce card :>) If anyone wants any pointers on how to best use eBay and it's resources, please feel free to ask. I'm no expert, but I've learned a lot that has helped me find a lot of great cards. Do you know about "Favorite Searches" and having eBay send you an email when a special card you are looking for comes up for auction over the next 90 days? Just go to your "My eBay" page, click on "Favorites" and then go to "Searches" and add your item and there is a box to check if you want eBay to send you the emails as auction items come up. Don't forget to check the box that says "Search Descriptions" also. This will include the words from your search in not only the title but also the description of the auction. If you search for items on eBay, there is always a little blue highlighted link at the end of the search results that asks you if you want to add this search to your favorites. Another way you can do it. John Collins wrote: > I can't believe a site like this actually exists, but check out: > www.auctionsniper.com > Some may find this to be somewhat unethical, but this is a site > which will allow you to input information for an auction that > you wish to bid on (apparently it works with ebay only at the > moment) and then the system will automatically place a sniper > bid for you at your maximum amount at whatever point in time > you would like it to (like say, 3 seconds before the auction > closes). > Personally, I see nothing wrong with this (ebay like every other > marketplace is one in which the buyer should beware) though I > think they will probably block this site before too long to safeguard > their reputation. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:15:11 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] snipers resource To: lynnm@piol.net, jcollins12@triad.rr.com From: smartalecx@aol.com we all respond differently to new technology. if there is nothing wrong with sniping, and i have not heard anyone complain about that practice, then automating the process shouldn't be a problem. everyone on ebay has a computer, so i assume that they all can make use of these programs if they want to. i am curious how multiple bidders each using sniping programs works, that might be fun to see. but if sniping is ok, then if you can automate the process and it is available to everyone, then more power to it. just my 2 cents worth. gm ================= Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 02:25:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting From: "rbhankins" I paid a little visit to Roger today in his temporary selling space. He said business was real good yesterday, particularly with some pre-war stuff. He asked me if I was interested in some Cracker Jack cards that were, in his words, "maybe even too rough for OBC." Indeed, they had been torn into several peices and Roger had taped them back together. He explained that an attractive young woman had come in first thing this morning and threw them at him like confetti and then stomped out mumbling something about her ex-fiance. I decided to pass on those cards, but Roger did me right on some other things that just might wind up in OBC circulation soon. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "James Moleta" wrote: > That wasn't me! That was my Bizarro-world evil twin Jimmy Suitcase! > ...OK, maybe I DID sneak outta work early yesterday to meet Roger > and maybe I DID look at some 1914-15 Cracker Jacks, but I didnt buy them! I > wouldnt dare risk my upcoming nuptials on cardboard like that, would I? > (sshh...) > No, as a matter of fact I resisted buying my 1st vintage Cracker Jack card > (I have some of those mid-90s mini CJs, but I don't think they count), and > was damn proud of myself...until Roger revealed a 49 Bowman PCL card & a 54 > Wilson's Weiners STAN HACK! How could I resist two rarities like > especially an OBC fave like Hack? > Roger had me reeling, but we carved out a reasonable price, and I > knowing that I wouldnt be in hot water w/ the future Mrs Moleta. Now if I > can only convince her that Valentine's Day isn't REALLY coming next week... > BTW, Roger had tons of other cool pre-war (a Schutter-Johnson Cochrane, C46 > Imperial Canadian Minor League cards, a big box of pre-war pins/buttons, a > bleeder from the 34-36 Diamond Stars set for $25, caramel cards of > Leaguers, a 36 Canadian Goudey, etc). If anyone is interested in such cards > at moderately OBC prices - not too high but higher than I wanted to pay w/ a > wedding coming up - let me know, and I'll try and beat Brock (and > Mac) to the kitty tomorrow if I can. > Jimmy "Suitcase" Moleta > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:46:14 EST > From: brockhattox@c... > Subject: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting > This columnist spotted soon to be wed, James Moleta, spending his > fund on 1913 Cracker Jacks Cards tonight at a Roger Neufeldt table. There > may still be a possibility that the hopelessly in-love card collector will > return to his former habits and loosen his betrothal shackles. Watch for > future trades from the former love-slave as he seeks his former > with OBC buddies. > [This message contained attachments] > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Super Bowl Pool update! Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:34:21 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" 418 hits so far! Not bad for a bunch of losers! :) Nice work you guys. Remember to email me how many you send if you haven't yet. If another card doesn't go out, we still did a great job! I'm going to have to keep doing this until *I* win! :) the url is: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/pool.htm ================= Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 22:34:19 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 59's available From: Neal Thomas Hi all- I have a bunch of of 59s looking for a good home. These range from fair to "how could someone do that to a card!" If you have a 59 wantlist and don't care about condition, give me a yell. The HOMers have already been pulled to go to guys who I know will give them a good home! ================= To: "RAMBLINGS" Subject: Going to Wright Patterson Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 21:47:27 -0900 From: "TnB Williams" Guys & Gal, Going to Wright Patterson AFB (near Dayton OH) for two weeks starting 24 Feb. Is there any good card shops in this area? Geno, weren't you there for awhile. What else is there to do? Tom Williams ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:28:29 EST Subject: Anyone have easy 1970 or 1973 Topps lists? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Hi Gang! I have a stack of about 80-90 from each year courtesy of an ebay purchase. Anyone out there have easy lists from these years? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 08:50:09 EST Subject: skeds (pocket shedules) wanted To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com I've started to activey pursue a new element to my collection: pocket schedules. They come in all shapes and sizes, most are very colorful and informational. Best of all is the price: free! If anyone out there sees skeds from their local teams (at stadiums, stores, or wherever), I'd greatly appreciate dropping them in the mail for me. Though I am first and foremost a baseball fan, my pusuit is open-ended meaning I'd love to have any sport (football, hockey, soccer, lacrosse, etc) from any level (major, minor or college). I do have some dupes to trade from my local teams if interested. Thanks to the OBC'ers who have sent me skeds in the past and started me down the road to skedding! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sat, 09 Feb 2002 14:17:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: i need a life type question From: "rayluurs" To you guys that under the 1000 goal for collecting and for general question to be thrown around. I am just restarting so the 1000 mark may be of how many cards i have of different players so I am no where close to finishing anything i've started. Question is how do you determine if your set is finished, especially with te variation of certain cards. For example, the 1951 Topps set. Is the set complete if you have the red backs(52 cards) or do you need red and the blues(106) or better yet do you need team cards which add another 9 or the Mack all stars and current allstars which add another 22. I've talk to Brett and got his opinion now asking other what they think. Same way with the 1958 Topps is it a complete set if i have one of each card or do i need the variations of the (YL & YT) cards to be considered a complete set. Reason I am asking is two fold: 1) I am a goal oriented person. so in my quested for Perfection in life i set goals to make my life more challenging (as if getting up to work and making a living isnt a challenge enough), but I stick to it till its is done (day or the job) 2) slightly relatd to #1 is I am a courier for work so my job like most is related to the recession we are in and in my card collecting right now i have less disposible income as i will have later on in the year when business pick up. Kurt has a wonderful discount tub with cards that i think are good cards for .50, 1.00, 1.50 but the card i am working on are getting to the expensive end so I might have to start working on other sets to keep my hand in it. I have relucant to do it because while i am goal oriented i am slightly myopic with my vision as i cant see trying to start other things while not finish first goal because then all goals never look like they will be finished. So in order to reach my gal of collecting all Topps cards aare in the infancy stage. I am interested in your opinion what is a complete set so i can start looking into how many cards I will be looking into and like i said in my title i have no life right now:-) Now this is a rambling like most my letter i am quite sure while i think they are same subject i am sure i went off in several diections thanks for listening and looking forward to your responses ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Fill your dupes box! Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:07:22 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Here's an ebay item that offers someone a fantastic opportunity to give their dupes box a boost! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1802598370 Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:33:30 EST Subject: Complete sets To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Ray - My opinion is that Blue Backs are one set and Red Backs are another. Its also my opinion that a set is complete when you have one of each card ..variations are extras. Whats everyone else think? - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:44:32 EST Subject: reports of my demise To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: txpoobah@aol.com yes I am alive.... but time just never seems available. I owe several of you long overdue thanks for cards in and several more of you have some books with your name on them.... moving is hell :>)) Last weekend I did get to make a stop on my way to meeting in Philly (budgets...ugh). by way of Albany. Left Saturday and what would you do in Albany for a Sunday? Yes... Cooperstown....everything I thought it would be. I must make a very important announcement. The most humble Poobah IS IN THE HALL OF FAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, I found my picture on display. Right there 14 rows below Friday's in right field at the 1995 All Star game at The Ballpark in Arlington. Bottom of the third and Pudge at bat. My shirt with two huge stripes is discernable under magnification. Ok so its about a mm in size, but that's my shirt for I believe this is the first verified appearance by an OBC member in the Hall, but it is possible George Hay made a similar appearance. George, where we you sitting? Left field is not quite as good. My seats are almost dead center in the picture. I respectfully remain the Grand Poobah of Research and Irrelevant Information ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 10:45:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1941 Doube Plays anyone?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: txpoobah@aol.com My email address is changing to ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:29:20 EST Subject: 56 Topps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com I have gone through all the lists for everyone who is gettting close on the 56 Topps, and am getting the last pacages out finally, and would like to offer to anyone who could use a few, just LMK - I don't usually keep track of in bounds & outbounds, so I would especially invite folks who've sent cards lately to take advantage of this offer. ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 15:44:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] i need a life type question To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey Ray, I look at what I want to collect first. For example, the 1974 Topps set. My goal there was to complete the base of the set. Then I moved to the subset- Washington NL cards. To me, the 74s were complete, then I added the other cards almost like another set to work on. I think of red backs and blue backs as two different sets. Thinking this way helps me make goals that are attainable and keeps my wantlist somewhat sane for me to keep track of. Another thing I do, is that I won't add a new set to my list until I get under 50 cards of the previous. I need about 80 1968s. I won't add 1960 or 1967 until I get closer and the list is tougher to get to. Then again, if something really catches my eye, I'll go after it (I'm thinking of red backs). To me, the set is complete if you have all the regular issued cards. The errors, etc are a bonus for the set to be ultimately complete. That's just the way I do it. I know that everyone has their collecting "quirks". That is what is so cool about this hobby, the rules are yours to make or break! ================= Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 16:43:34 EST Subject: Re: i need a life type question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 2/9/02 12:49:02 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << I am interested in your opinion what is a complete set so i can start looking into how many cards I will be looking into >> I'm so glad you asked... I have just a couple things to say :-) The answer to your question can be found in the 'big book'. Take the description for 1954 Bowman for example. The paragraph ends with "The complete set price doesn't include the #66 Williams or the other variations". Now you can use this information two ways: 1) Consider the set complete without the super rare #66 and the 40 or so other statistical aberrations or 2) clear out 45 extra spots in the binder anyway and go mad looking for all of these things... "is that a .997 fielding percentage or .994?" I use the '54 Bowman set as my example because MOST of the variations carry no particular premium because basically no one cares about them. Then in the same set, you have the other end of the spectrum: a card so rare that it was(is) valued at more than the rest of the set. Who needs this type of aggravation? I'll tell you who does - collectors that have A) nothing else left on their wantlists except insert sets and obscure issues and B) more money than common sense. I happen to fit at least one of those categories, so that explains a lot about my list... and how I've sorted it. I have the variations in a separate section, but the set is technically complete without them. It's the obsessive compulsive nature in me that causes me to look for the extra cards... I try to justify adding the variations to my list with the reasoning that "well, it'll give the other guys in the group something to send me" when I know darn well that no one else in their right mind is looking on the back of Eddie Miksis' card for a .001 difference in his lifetime fielding percentage. I've seen the looks from other people when I discover one of these variations in a bargain bin. My incredible excitement is met with a slight nod and a half smile, but I know what they're thinking... "How come this guy is still out among the general population?" In summary, my advice is to be happy with collecting cards #1, 2, 3, etc... and not worry about #1a, 2a, 2b, etc... unless you want to TAYL, Ken M ================= To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:59:36 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Fortunately for me, your presumption is correct - Abbie is the same fine woman who accompanied me to the Atlanta Nat'l in '99, & spoke to your lovely wife while the rest of us furiously ransacked dupes boxes & washed down Dominos pizza w/ your fine OBC Johnny Black Scotch! Your memory also serves you (for the most part!) in that she astutely secured a decent 65 Topps Willie Mays in a screwdown, which she still has to this day! I forget who gave it to her, but it remains 1 of 2 cards in her collection, along w/ a 1984 little league card of a light-hitting 11 yr old OF from GA! I am a fortunate guy - thanks for the trip down memory lane! aka Jimmy Suitcase >From: "Glenn Codere" >To: "James Moleta" >Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting >Date: Sat, 9 Feb 2002 00:42:44 -0000 >I think its important to note here that the future Mrs Moleta (James, I'm >presuming that its the same fine lady who accompanied you to the Atlanta >National) also has good taste in cards. I seem to remember her making a >rather astute bid (of sorts) on a card (Ed Mathews? Help me out here guys!) >during an OBC trading session at the Atlanta Hampton Inn a few years back! >She has an eye for a bargain.......but of course that's why she's marrying >James! (if this is a different woman, I'm sunk) >Glasgow, Scotland >-----Original Message----- >From: James Moleta [mailto:james_moleta@hotmail.com] >Sent: 08 February 2002 22:42 >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting >That wasn't me! That was my Bizarro-world evil twin Jimmy Suitcase! >...OK, maybe I DID sneak outta work early yesterday to meet Roger Neufeldt, >and maybe I DID look at some 1914-15 Cracker Jacks, but I didnt buy them! I >wouldnt dare risk my upcoming nuptials on cardboard like that, would I? >No, as a matter of fact I resisted buying my 1st vintage Cracker Jack card >(I have some of those mid-90s mini CJs, but I don't think they count), and >was damn proud of myself...until Roger revealed a 49 Bowman PCL card & a 54 >Wilson's Weiners STAN HACK! How could I resist two rarities like those, >especially an OBC fave like Hack? >Roger had me reeling, but we carved out a reasonable price, and I left >knowing that I wouldnt be in hot water w/ the future Mrs Moleta. Now if I >can only convince her that Valentine's Day isn't REALLY coming next week... >BTW, Roger had tons of other cool pre-war (a Schutter-Johnson Cochrane, C46 >Imperial Canadian Minor League cards, a big box of pre-war pins/buttons, a >bleeder from the 34-36 Diamond Stars set for $25, caramel cards of Federal >Leaguers, a 36 Canadian Goudey, etc). If anyone is interested in such cards >at moderately OBC prices - not too high but higher than I wanted to pay w/ >wedding coming up - let me know, and I'll try and beat Brock (and possibly >Mac) to the kitty tomorrow if I can. >Jimmy "Suitcase" Moleta >Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 20:46:14 EST > From: brockhattox@cs.com >Subject: OBC Confidential!!- Moleta Sighting >This columnist spotted soon to be wed, James Moleta, spending his honeymoon >fund on 1913 Cracker Jacks Cards tonight at a Roger Neufeldt table. There >may still be a possibility that the hopelessly in-love card collector will >return to his former habits and loosen his betrothal shackles. Watch for >future trades from the former love-slave as he seeks his former happiness >with OBC buddies. >[This message contained attachments] >Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: Subject: exhibits Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 16:05:19 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" To Andy Cook re exhibits. I've been collecting Exhibits for about 20 years. I had a few as a kid, many cut down to the size of the 1953 Topps. There was even an exhibit card monthly publication dealing with all kinds of exhibits. Most were sold for 1 cent through vending machines. I bought mine at Riverview an amusement park(long gone) in Chicago. I think 32 or 64 cards were printed each year. When players changed teams, photos were altered but usually the same photo wasused for years. The tough ones are the players that came and went quickly and got dropped out. I collect the pose or cropping variations and salutation variations but haven't gotten into the size and location of the Manufacturer's name, post card backs, and tint variations. Also you can collect the62 and 63 stat backs withg different color ink as well. I'm down to 12 1947-66 exhibits on my want list and have some duplicates. If you are interested, I can send you a sample of the newsletter called Arcade Card something. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:21:50 EST Subject: Campaign 2002 to begin shortly To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Hard to believe that almost a full year has gone by, and as the outgoing chairman of OBCAC (Old Baseball Cards Advisory Committee), I'd like to share a few thoughts about the group - mostly positive. Before I do that, I need to announce that the terms of the active OBC Advisory Committee end on Feb. 27 (for some reason, the by-laws don't seem to address who is in charge on Feb. 28, as the new terms begin on March 1). Right now, we're soliciting nominations for positions on the 2002 board, and will hold an election in a week or two. We're looking for "a few good men" - or women - to be exact, we need seven voting members and one non-voting facilitator/chairman position. Current members include your humble narrator (me) as the chairman, along with Trader Doug Smith, John "Bama" Harrell, Geno Wagner, Peter Iverson, Dave Kolenda, Lorin Anderson, Bob D'Angelo, with Dangerous Dan Austin serving as OBC Webmaster. This was a terrific group to work with, and I'm hoping that they will consider continuing on the committee for 2002. Please give some careful thought to who you'd like to nominate, and if you're nominated, please consider serving on the committee. If you've appreciated being a member of OBC for more than three years; if you're "plugged in" to what's going on in the organization; if you have some constructive opinions on which way the group should go; or if you just want to roll up your sleeves and help, now's the time to step forward and volunteer. Dr. John Harrell (Bama) will be in charge of collecting nominations and counting the votes (he's going to step down from his active voting position on the OBCAC this year, so there's no conflict of interest) so now's the time to speak up and serve your There has been a lot going on over the past year, some of which has added a few years on to my actual age (44), added a few gray hairs to my head (luckily, I'm quite bald), and cost me a few friendships along the way, but on balance, it's been one of the best years for OBC in its history. I'm always impressed with the amount of traffic on the OBC-Thanks and OBC-Ramblings email servers - each one of those notes reflects yet another instance of friendship and unselfishness that is the true trademark of our organization. Also, I'm constantly amazed by the scholarship and knowledge of vintage baseball cards by some of the resident experts. Of course, the best thing of all is the opportunity to meet up at card shows, putting faces to the email names, and diving into bargain bins shoulder-to-shoulder like pigs at a slop trough. (Sorry.) I'm very proud of this group, and am looking forward to spending more time with my hobby as I step down from the OBCAC Chairman position. That will give me time to send out more cards than I was able to do last year, more time to work on my BBC Images CD (actually, it's now "CDs" as the nearly 18,000 images is just about at the full capacity of the CD-RW's I've been using), and time to start this year's project, taking over for Dan Austin as OBC Webmaster with Steve Rittenberg's help. Thanks, everyone, for everything, and do your OBC group a favor and either nominate someone for OBCAC, or get someone to nominate you. NOW. Wayne M. Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Grand Delta, North Atlantic Region, Phi Kappa Sigma International Fraternity "To do what ought to be done, but would not be done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty." (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:25:00 EST Subject: No willpower/Larry Z needs only 15 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey boys, How many times have you gone to a card show and see a card you need for a set that is near complete and overpay? I went on a basketball quest today and found some that I needed. Now if I was better at reading the clock, I could have had some cards from Ebay cheaper (where's that damn sniping software ). I picked up 3 from my 70/71 list including the Big O (I had this card, but got it autographed from Oscar and put it in a frame with his pic). Went more than I wanted for the hoops but Oh Well! But I did knock off the 1970 Yankees from the list. On a topic we've talked about before, yes I go to a show not always looking for something from my list. As a matter of fact, Larry Z's 70/71 hoops needs are as much a part of my list as the Mets are. In that vain, Larry, knock off # 49 Dick Cunningham, he's on his way. We share some similar needs to that set, but we are getting to the tough part. I need the Alcindor and he needs the Maravich as the biggies. I'm putting out a short list of cards I want to finish up and any help is appreciated. I just can't control myself when I can taste the end of a set! And next week is actually a bigger card show here on the Island. Good thing payday is this ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:00:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] exhibits To: vrechek@worldnet.att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/10/2002 4:04:53 PM Central Standard Time, vrechek@worldnet.att.net writes: > I bought mine at Riverview an amusement park (long gone) Hi George - The day before my 16th birthday (and driver's lisence test) I drove my dad to work. He was a wholesale hardwood salesman in Chicago so we drove all over the city including the loop. That night was charity night at Riverview and my mother was chairman that year, so I drove there during rush hour and then back home to the suburbs. Great practice. I passed my drivers test the next day. And they still have't made a roller coaster as good as the Bobs. - Doug ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:32:04 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Campaign 2002 to begin shortly To: WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: amcook93@aol.com Wayne, could you send out a ramblings with the description of the duties of the board? ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:05:36 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, All! Here are some availables. Let me know what you need. 1954 Topps: 82 95 108 140 (these are all in poor shape) 1954 Bowman: 37 1955 Topps: 3 16 96 101 147 1955 Bowman: 114 (creased) I also picked up about 50 1958 Topps dupes. If you are working on that set, let me know. Best wishes, Mike Wierzbicki ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:15:46 EST Subject: slaberation liberation To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I liberated three slabbed strip cards tonight. The great thing about strip cards is you're supposed to trim them! How many cards is it ok to trim? These had obviously been trimmed prior to slabbing since they're smaller than most of the ones I already have. I sort of feel like a freedom fighter...People for the Ethical Treatment of Cards? I won them on ebay at the price I would've paid for unslabbed cards, which was probably less than it cost to slab them! They are now free and in my binder. I was able to save the three now empty slabs so I'm thinking of self-slabbing something. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 20:55:26 -0500 From: "John Collins" Occasionally I will also find a slabbed card for the price I would normallypay for an unslabbed version, and I take great pride in "liberating" thesecards when I get them. The toughest slab to break, in my opinion, are the SGC slabs. The plastic that they use is much harder than PSA's. With PSA, the slabs are fairly easy to remove. My tools of choice are a can opener and regular household scissors. I use the can opener to crack the plastic around the edges (being careful not to get too close to the card) then use the scissors to pry up the rest of the case. I can usually have a card "liberated" in less than 5 minutes with no damage. The SCG card I removedwas a bit more difficult. I had to use the claw end of a hammer to crack the case (do this very very carefully) because my standard can opener wouldn't do the job. After that though, the scissors worked fine. I have even removed a few higher grade cards (PSA 6's and 7's) from slabs simply because I know what the grade is, and to me my cards look better in acard saver or top loader, without any assigned "grade" hanging over their heads. How can we do this to our cards? It affects their self-confidence and lowers their self esteem ! I agree that "people for the ethical treatment of cards" is a good idea. Maybe we could organize an OBC demonstration outside of PSA's headquarters. We could go and dump piles of cracked-open slabs on their lawn and show them the true benefits of OBC-type "card protection": dirty, taped top-loaders, and card savers with permanent ink onthe front ! ----- Original Message ----- From: amcook93@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2002 7:15 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation I liberated three slabbed strip cards tonight. The great thing about strip cards is you're supposed to trim them! How many cards is it ok to trim? These had obviously been trimmed prior to slabbing since they're smaller than most of the ones I already have. I sort of feel like a freedom fighter...People for the Ethical Treatment of Cards? I won them on ebay at the price I would've paid for unslabbed cards, which was probably less than it cost to slab them! They are now free and in my binder. I was able to save the three now empty slabs so I'm thinking of self-slabbing something. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 10:12:41 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations From: " john harrell" Well gang, it's that time again. Time to choose your OBCAC for the next year. If you'd like to refresh yourself on the procedure simply go to the OBC website and click on Rules of Conduct. The election procedure is outlined there. It specifies that the OBCAC will serve from March 1 until February 27 of the following year(except Leap year). As an OBCAC member who is not standing for reelection I will be receiving nominations during the next week. Please submit your nominations to me by 9:00 a.m. PST, February 17 (next Sunday morning). As soon as possible that same day the list of nominations will go out to the general membership for voting. Remember that you will be electing 7(seven) voting members of the OBCAC and a non-voting moderator, for a total of 8(eight) positions. Please be sure that the person whom you nominate 1) has been an OBC member in good standing for at least 3 years and 2) is willing to serve. You can check the length of membership from the latest mail directory. Please try to get your nominations in as early as possible. I'll try to give periodic updates so you can see who has been nominated. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:20:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com These were SGC slabbed. I agree that they are more difficult than PSA. I used pliers and while holding the center of the holder with my left hand, gave a "snap" to one of the bottom corners with my pliers. This breaks off just enough of the corner to enable me to slide in a flathead screwdriver and then a simple twist and the slab separates. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:50:23 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com I've had the most difficulty with 'PRO' holders. Arguably a company with one of the worst reputations in grading cards, has certainly developed a rugged defense against detecting problem cards they may have 'overlooked'......those cases are TOUGH to break open! Being an advocate of feeling cardboard, rather than reformulated motor oil, I've had the pleasure of liberating over 2000 cards from their plastic tombs (I've NEVER damaged one....yet). I have a 7 pound sledge hammer that pops the seals real easy & being an environmental advocate I even recycle the plastic. Friends living in the Bay Area bring by entombed cards pretty regular. Maybe, a card un-slabbing party can be the next fad...... ================= To: Subject: FW: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:56:04 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Andy now knows how Lincoln felt I guess. I have to insist, however, that this word deserves two "b"s...slabberation. I believe that would be correct. Especially if this new word makes it into the OBC Slang Dictionary, which is definitely worthy of consideration. Makes me want to go out and get a slab(b)ed card, just to try out some of these home remedies. I liberated three slabbed strip cards tonight. The great thing about strip cards is you're supposed to trim them! How many cards is it ok to trim? had obviously been trimmed prior to slabbing since they're smaller than most of the ones I already have. I sort of feel like a freedom fighter...People for the Ethical Treatment of Cards? I won them on ebay at the price I would've paid for unslabbed cards, which was probably less than it cost to slab them! They are now free and in my binder. I was able to save the three now empty slabs so I'm thinking of self-slabbing something. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:36:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] slaberation liberation To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, jcollins12@triad.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/10/2002 8:22:48 PM Central Standard Time, amcook93@aol.com writes: > I used > pliers and while holding the center of the holder with my left hand, gave a > "snap" to one of the bottom corners with my pliers. This breaks off just > enough of the corner to enable me to slide in a flathead screwdriver and > then > a simple twist and the slab separates. Hmmm---I put mine in a vice and hit it with a hammer. It always works but I don't recommend the method for cards graded 5 and above. - Doug ================= To: Subject: Goudey collectors Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:39:13 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804495467 Here's a group of 9 1933 commons with a Buy it now for $35-- not too bad. The backs have some marks but fronts aren't too bad. Many are low numbers- ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 02:10:00 EST Subject: (no subject) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com As a 1st grade teacher I must insist that proper spelling be used... Slabbed (if spelled "slabed" it would have a "long a" sound as in fake) Disslabbed (yes, two s's) < Subject: Mail Problem From: Lynn Miller I have just discovered today that some puffies mailed to me are being returned by the military post office at the U.S. Embassy in Manila, Philippines that serves the U.S. military retirees here. There have always been restrictions on my PSC 517 Box RS, FPO AP 96517-1000 address. That's why I listed the different categories of mail and the addresses needed to send them to in my link. But even with that it seems the active duty Navy Postmaster has ceased delivering anything that looks like a package. It's not that I abused the system, but we had many others that did, i.e. ordering large mail order items from the States. We are restricted to first class USPS letters and envelopes under 16 oz, magazines and personal video and audio tapes from families and friends. The one that the sender had returned, had on the customs declaration "baseball cards". And even though it weighed significantly less than 16 oz, the Postmaster apparently deemed it "not personal" and sent it back. You can still send me envelopes with SCP's or very small puffies with the contents listed as "photos". But to be safe, and it will cost extra, send questionable items to P.O. Box 075, Olongapo City 2200 Philippines. Sorry this is happening to me due to the abuse of my shipmates here. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC 66 Mantle Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:18:12 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1804418643 This is a true OBC type Mantle for those of you working on the '66 set. I can't see this one fetching more than $20 myself, but we'll see ! John C. Collins ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 18:32:43 EST Subject: Bob Davids :-( To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com For those of you who do not know who Bob Davids is, he was the founder of SABR. He passed away in his sleep last night. all baseball fans owe him a thanks for the organization of sabr. goodbye Mr. Davids...I hope you get to meet your heroes ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:06:32 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New price guide - Charleton's To: jharrell001@sprintmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Bama and all: Charleton's publishes price guides for Canadian BB, Canadian FB and hockey. I have a 1998 Hockey. The guides are on sale at the semiannual Toronto show. They usually have some prior editions that they clearance price at the shows for around $5 Canadian. If anyone would like to try and pick them up any of these guides, the next show is May 3-5. For hockey collectors it is probably the best book out there for obscure issues. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 19:18:35 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New email address From: Mark Talbot Hello All, Well Comcast cable finally got their act together in Southeastern Michigan and i have been assigned my new email address. I would suggest that if you want to reach me you try me at: My former email address will continue to function for a few weeks but I am checking it less often. Grant, please take note of the change for the directory!!! See you all down the road - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------- MARK ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:07:51 EST Subject: A gold mine in Maryland To: From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi guys, Some recent business landed me last week in Frederick, Md., for two days (sorry Steve R., if I had had more advance warning, I'd have contacted you to meet). I was staying at a Holiday Inn next to the Francis Scott Key mall, and wouldn't you know, they were having a sports card show that weekend. So after dinner on Friday I went to look. There were about maybe 8-10 dealers, and not much of interest, so I thought. Lots of Ripken and Orioles stuff (naturally, I was in Maryland, and lots of Steve Spurrier stuff). Well I happened to be flipping through a binder and saw some older cards with no prices. The dealer saw me and said, yeah, those are my junk cards. How much, I asked, and he kinda stunned me with "a nickel apiece." I was looking at several sheets of late 50s' and early 60s, plus some 70s and 80s. So then he says, well, fill a nine pocket and it will cost you a quarter. So I start removing pages, about nine of them (some not completely filled). Then the guy says, ahhh, you can have em all for a dollar. A buck? For the whole thing? Yes. Well, I felt like Piazza and Bradshaw in those 10-10-220 commercials. Out came the dollar bill, and I walked away with about 72 cards (at least 50 from 1970 and before) for a buck. I need to go to that show more often. I did ask if he had anymore "junk," but I guess I cleaned him out. We just don't have dealers that generous in Florida. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 03:14:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: success on 2 fronts (long!!) From: "alcattle" Hi Guys and Gals, Been meaning to send this Morganizique type note for a while now. First, I went back to work. 10 weeks off and only the faces have changed. (Boeing is laying off a lot of people). Same job same work like a time thing. I am still sore and tired but staying home was not helping so why not get paid. It will be a while until I get caught up on the money front, but we are making it. V02 will be just right to break out and party. Second, we moved. Not many people know that we have been living in a small room at a motel for several years. Many things were involved why we did that but enough was enough and we found a house to move in to. It is not huge but it seems like it to us. We are paying less money total as we do not have to rent a storage unit for all our household stuff. Bad part is there was a lot of stuff in there including almost all my cards. Now they are all under one roof and soon I will be able find to find most of what I want. In the mean time all cards are piled everywhere. No way to find card to send out for now. I do have a lot of thanks to send out so I will do that this week. MOstly thanks to all of the OBC for being yourselves. Lastly is V02, I was disturbed to read about the past and I know there was some kidding but some people took it way too seriously and I will have to step in as Spiritual advisor and try to repair all wounds. Thanks, St Al aka Big Al in Seattle ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:36:21 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations update From: " john harrell" Thus far the following people have been nominated for the OBCAC: Spike Glidden Lorin Anderson Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= To: Subject: a new low in ungraded cards Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 20:40:32 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- I had to share this conversation I overheard at a weekend show. I usually like to embellish stories (10% have to be true), but this is 100%. The buyer had a 1966 Hank Aaron in nice shape that he wanted to buy and was askinga dealer to price it for him: Customer: How much do you want for this Aaron? Dealer: Well....it books at $100, how about $120? Customer: Excuse me, do you mean the other way around? Dealer: No, it is probably a solid 8, so if you buy it and send it in, it will be worth about $150. This way you are saving $30, or $20 after havingit graded. I like to save my customers a few bucks since those grading firms charge an arm and a leg. Customer: Doesn't the "book" price assume nrmt? Dealer: Yes, but the "book" price is not accurate since Beckett stopped taking dealer input on prices realized. Customer: Then where does this $150 come into play, isn't that a "book?" Dealer: Yes, but a much more accurate one... At this point, I had had enough and decided to look for a few beaters at another table. Another funny thing I found - I asked a bunch of dealers for '61 high numbers to complete my set. At least three of them right away said, "I bet you need Bob Cerv (#563)." Sure enough, he's the only common I need, along with a Maz AS and a Mantle AS. Evidently the Cerv card is very tough to find. I thought that was interesting... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 23:09:25 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Slabbed Cards From: Michael Wierzbicki The biggest problem with slabbed cards is that they keep breaking the spokes on my bike. ================= To: "Geno Wagner" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] a new low in ungraded cards Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 00:34:43 -0500 From: "John Collins" I will agree that dealers at shows can sometimes be good for a few laughs. Sometimes I will even start negotiating on a card that I know I am probably not going to buy, just to see what I can get the dealer to do. I had a conversation with a dealer at the Raleigh, NC show back in Decemberover a 1964 Mantle #50 that appeared to be in at about ex-mt condition, with good centering and nice corners. The price marked on it was $250. I had walked past the guy's table a couple of times and acted like I was halfway interested. Finally I got his attention, and asked if I could see the Mantle. He took it out of the showcase and handed it over completely uninterested, giving me the impression that he was not used to making too many sales on his high dollar vintage stuff. I looked it over and asked him if $250 was the best he could do on it. He said that yes, that price was pretty firm because it was a Mantle and was in really good shape. "What does this one book for?" I asked, making him scramble for a beckett. He told me it booked for $300. I looked over it some more and told him that $200 was probably the best I could do. He thought about it for a second and saidhe could come down to $230, but that was it. I then asked if he minded ifI took the card out of the top loader to have a closer look. He took it out for me, and I held it in the light which immediately revealed about a quarter inch crease in the middle of the card. I pointed this out and got the "gee, shucks you're right" reaction. He then informed me that he would take my offer of $200 for the card. I told him that I thought that was now a bit steep (about 65% of book) for a card that could be in no higher than vg-ex condition. But he wouldn't go any lower. I finally said no thanks and moved on. Towards the end of the day, I found another '64 Mantle that was somewhere between ex-mt and near mint (no last minute creases) that an honest and resonable dealer let me take home for $175 - making me feel good about turning down the other guy. I resisted the temptation to take the card by and show him. It was all for fun though...I eventually decided to quit working on the '64 set and sold that Mantle on ebay for around $220 - a nice littleprofit that made it well worth my time. -- "Card Show Haggler" John ----- Original Message ----- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 11:40 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] a new low in ungraded cards Fellas -- I had to share this conversation I overheard at a weekend show. I usually like to embellish stories (10% have to be true), but this is 100%. The buyer had a 1966 Hank Aaron in nice shape that he wanted to buy and was asking a dealer to price it for him: Customer: How much do you want for this Aaron? Dealer: Well....it books at $100, how about $120? Customer: Excuse me, do you mean the other way around? Dealer: No, it is probably a solid 8, so if you buy it and send it in, it will be worth about $150. This way you are saving $30, or $20 after having it graded. I like to save my customers a few bucks since those grading firms charge an arm and a leg. Customer: Doesn't the "book" price assume nrmt? Dealer: Yes, but the "book" price is not accurate since Beckett stopped taking dealer input on prices realized. Customer: Then where does this $150 come into play, isn't that a "book?" Dealer: Yes, but a much more accurate one... At this point, I had had enough and decided to look for a few beaters at another table. Another funny thing I found - I asked a bunch of dealers for '61 high numbers to complete my set. At least three of them right away said, "I bet you need Bob Cerv (#563)." Sure enough, he's the only common Ineed, along with a Maz AS and a Mantle AS. Evidently the Cerv card is very tough to find. I thought that was interesting... Take Care, Geno Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 02:13:14 EST Subject: Out of town... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I am leaving immediately for our least favorite kind of out-of-town trips. My mom is back in the hospital with an infection in the fluid that's built up in her abdomen. She has cirrhosis of the liver and doesn't seem to be doing too well. My brother is going up with me to help take care of dad a little bit and help nurse mom through, too. I'll have access to e-mail up north but don't know when I'll have time to check in. I am dreadfully far behind in thanks. Before I leave, I just want to say thanks to Steve Rittenberg for the immeasurable damage he has inflicted on my now very-outdated football wantlist, Gary Mandell for the sweet SCP of '67 Philadelphia FB, Todd Knowles for my favorite kind of six-pack, the original EEK for a very touching two-pack... a pair from his childhood collection(!), Eric Greenwood for eight terrific hits to my '69 semihighs, and Doug DeJong for more great Kelloggs cards. And then there was an absolutely stunning package from, gee... Steve Rittenberg (again!) that polished off a couple sets, including the '79 Ozzie Smith that Ken gave him to include while they were on their excursion, Mike Rich's amazing football package, and a beautiful Tipton of Joe Tipton from Bob Corvello and a neat two-pack from Yaz. Sorry for the delay in recognition guys... they are all loved and appreciated more than you could know. Thanks for thinking of me... Take care and I'll write when I return back to Omaha... P.S., All prayers welcome... ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:32:57 EST Subject: Lauren Davis address To: From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Does anyone have the address of Lauren Davis, who wrote to the group a few weeks ago about getting the card of her dad, Bob Davis? I deleted that e-mail, but this morning found two of Bob's cards. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:08:25 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lauren Davis address From: Neal Thomas Here it is: Lauren Davis 37 West 12th Street New York, NY 10011 ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: bdangelo@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Lauren Davis address Date: 02/12/2002 12:32pm Hi gang, Does anyone have the address of Lauren Davis, who wrote to the group a few weeks ago about getting the card of her dad, Bob Davis? I deleted that e-mail, but this morning found two of Bob's cards. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:08:05 EST Subject: Card Show Haggler-my husband - the pain in the neck To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i read John Collins rambling about the 64 Mantle he paid $175 for an Ex-Mint one at a show and it reminds me why i hate going to shows with my husband- he lowballs cards so much with redicilious offers to dealers that he antogonizes dealers then they don't want to sell anything to me because i am associated with him.Also he goes into long ramblings with dealers about Enron and the stock market and the bad economy and why they should be selling their cards dirt cheap to him- also- no matter how great a condition a card may be in- my husband will find something wrong with the card to try to get the dealer to reduce the price- he even does this with slabbed cards- i can just hear him now talking to a dealer about an Ex- Mint card after he takes out his 10 x magnifier and looks at the card for 10 minutes- "This particular card usually has better color-this one is weak- also i think i notice a slight double impression in the eyes of the player- also the ink is irregular on the stats on the back of the card- this card should have never been given an 8 by PSA -but PSA can't grade cards as good as me anyway- this card looks like a 3 maybe a 4 to me- "i can offer you $50 for that Mantle you have marked $250 because of all those defects i notice- " Guess how quick the dealer snatches the card away and asks my husband to leave his table-then my husband's stock enevetable reply- "hey, i hope there is a big depression like the 1930's someday and you have to sell that card to eat- then you will be lucky if i offer you a dime for it" --how many times have i heard that- i am looking forward to possibly going to the National with my husband this year if his health permits- i want to you guys to see him bargain with a dealer for a card he wants- like a 52 topps hi #--- i am sure you will get the best laugh you have gotten in a long time- and my husband is sure to wear his same "outfit" he wears to all shows- his blue denim shorts with sown patches all over the front and back- and a shirt 3 sizes too big with 2 huge pockets in the front and patches shown on the shirt- my husband just won't throw a shirt or shorts away- he sows patchs on the holes himself- bye, Linda ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:49:15 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Message Board From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Here is a message posted recently on the OBC Message Board: have some vintage cards for sale whitey ford #1 graded 8.0 Bowman Gil Hodges #100 graded 7.5 bowman Willie Mays #305 graded 7.5 bowman will take 50.00 each or all 3 for 100 dollars.I bought these cards at a yard sale last week and would like to sell them. The Hodges looks like a 1949 Bowman; the Ford and Mays are 1951 Bowmans. Even though they are slabbed, they may be a good buy for some ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:56:02 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" It's probably occurred to many of you as well, but this sounds too good to be true, and probably is. Don't worry, I'm not trying to warn people off so I can get them :) -- but I've been burned by a couple of things like this -- so BE CAREFUL!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Wierzbicki" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board > Hi, Gang! > Here is a message posted recently on the OBC Message Board: > have some vintage cards for sale > whitey ford #1 graded 8.0 Bowman > Gil Hodges #100 graded 7.5 bowman > Willie Mays #305 graded 7.5 bowman > will take 50.00 each or all 3 for 100 dollars.I bought these cards at a > yard sale last week and would like > to sell them. > The Hodges looks like a 1949 Bowman; the Ford and Mays are 1951 > Bowmans. Even though they are slabbed, they may be a good buy for some > OBCer. > Mike > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Available stuff Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:11:03 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1952 Topps: 12 1962 Post 67, 118, 132, 146, 160 1969 Topps: 90, 135, 555 1972 Topps: 151, 156, 171, 218, 211, 209, 208, 196, 188, 187, 157, 126, 469, 70, 388, 301 1973 Topps 21, 24, 51, 53, 55, 57 1975 Hostess: 50 1976 Hostess: 18, 65 1977 Hostess: 16, 18, 45, 88, 98, 50 1985 Topps: 536 - Kirby Puckett 1991 CrackerJacks: about 80 of those little boggers. Bob w..... ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:08:30 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" > have some vintage cards for sale > whitey ford #1 graded 8.0 Bowman > Gil Hodges #100 graded 7.5 bowman > Willie Mays #305 graded 7.5 bowman I'd have to double check but I think these three are included in the 1989 Bowman reprint set. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:23:21 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Message Board From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Everyone! Please disregard my previous posting re the Bowman Mays, Ford, and Hodges cards. All were part of the 1989 Bowman Inserts Reprints set. The posted message may be a scam. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Haggler-my husband - the pain in the neck Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:43:02 -0500 From: "John Collins" ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Haggler-my husband - the pain in theneck One serious point on Linda's comments: I do find it strange that PSA or Beckett or another major grading company has not yet added a "coloring" criteria to judge cards by. It seems all thegraders care about are corners, corners, corners, and then borders, surface, print marks, etc. I saw a '67 Tom Seaver rookie at a show a couple of months ago that was graded PSA 8. It had the nice centering and corners allright, but the yellowbackground which is normally rich and deep on most Seaver rookies was paleand sick looking on this card. It had obviously been turned out at the end of a long print run when the plates and ink needed to be cleaned and refreshed. But of course the dealer still had it proudly sitting in his showcase with a price tag somewhere in the $1000 range, every bit as sick as the color ofthe card. He was no doubt confident that the PSA slab would back up his price. I found another dealer at the show who had the same card graded PSA 6 with a normal colored background and a price tag that was more than $600 less. That card looked 10 times better, no question about it. I think people get carried away sometimes with the grading. They don't so much admire the card they bought, they admire that "8" or whatever number their heart fancies (or wallet can afford). I like my cards to look nice, and have even gone out on a limb to say that I have a weakness for the smooth surfaces and sharp corners from time to time (at the risk of putting myself in OBC purgatory). But even I am sickened at how such a heavy focus on grading seems to rule the hobby for some people. That isn't what it is supposed tobe ----- Original Message ----- From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Haggler-my husband - the pain in the neck hi- this is Linda- i read John Collins rambling about the 64 Mantle he paid $175 for an Ex-Mint one at a show and it reminds me why i hate going to shows with my husband- he lowballs cards so much with redicilious offers to dealers that he antogonizes dealers then they don't want to sell anything to me because i am associated with him.Also he goes into long ramblings with dealers about Enron and the stock market and the bad economy and why they should be selling their cards dirt cheap to him- also- no matter how great condition a card may be in- my husband will find something wrong with the card to try to get the dealer to reduce the price- he even does this with slabbed cards- i can just hear him now talking to a dealer about an Ex- Mint card after he takes out his 10 x magnifier and looks at the card for 10 minutes- "This particular card usually has better color-this one is weak- also i think i notice a slight double impression in the eyes of the player- also the ink is irregular on the stats on the back of the card- this card should have never been given an 8 by PSA -but PSA can't grade cards as good as me anyway- this card looks like a 3 maybe a 4 to me- "i can offer you $50 for that Mantle you have marked $250 because of all those defects i notice- Guess how quick the dealer snatches the card away and asks my husband to leave his table-then my husband's stock enevetable reply- "hey, i hope there is a big depression like the 1930's someday and you have to sell that card eat- then you will be lucky if i offer you a dime for it" --how many times have i heard that- i am looking forward to possibly going to the National with my husband this year if his health permits- i want to you guys to see him bargain with a dealer for a card he wants- like a 52 topps hi #--- i am sure you will get the best laugh you have gotten in a long time- and my husband is sure to wear his same "outfit" he wears to all shows- his blue denim shorts with sown patches all over the front and back- and a shirt 3 sizes too big with 2 huge pockets in the front and patches shown on the shirt- my husband just won't throw a shirt or shorts away- he sows patchson the holes himself- bye, Linda Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:45:38 -0500 From: "John Collins" Come to think of it, I don't remember the Hodges being one of the reprints.I know that Mays and Ford were, though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wierzbicki To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 8:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board Hi, Everyone! Please disregard my previous posting re the Bowman Mays, Ford, and Hodges cards. All were part of the 1989 Bowman Inserts Reprints set. The posted message may be a scam. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 22:26:14 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Message Board To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Ok here is the question that I am asking... What is someone doing selling nice slabbed cards at a YARD SALE? If they took the effort to have them slabbed, perhaps they might put a little more effort into their sale. Just a thought ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:33:33 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations update From: " john harrell" Thus far the following people have been nominated for the OBCAC: Spike Glidden Lorin Anderson Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lauren Davis address Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:17:09 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" just a heads up that you can look up old email on the web. you are a member if you get this mail. I turned off the servers during my illness and went online to read some of the stuff I missed. Big Al in Seattle >From: Neal Thomas >To: >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lauren Davis address >Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:08:25 -0500 (EST) >Here it is: >Lauren Davis >37 West 12th Street >New York, NY 10011 >------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- >Originally From: bdangelo@aol.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Lauren Davis address >Date: 02/12/2002 12:32pm >Hi gang, > Does anyone have the address of Lauren Davis, who wrote to the >group a few weeks ago about getting the card of her dad, Bob Davis? I >deleted that e-mail, but this morning found two of Bob's cards. >------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- >Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck >Monitoring Service trial >http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: Subject: OBC, OTC, and the '62 Mets Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:27:21 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Many of you enjoyed the Christmas CD of old baseball games and radio programs, but I'm sure a few of you were a little disappointed that I only had the 1st half of the first ever Mets game against the Cardinals (4/11/62). I have good news for the die-hard Mets fans -- I found the second half of that game (parts 3 and 4). So if anyone wants the rest of the Mets game, just let me know. The quality is about as bad as the first two parts, but it is intelligible. I'll send you a CD with the entire game on it (all 4 parts), along with the mp3 player. This won't take up much space on the CD, so if you would like some more old radio programs, just let me know what kind (either by name or by subject) and I'll thrown on some fillers (unfortunately, I have no new baseball-related -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 00:36:26 EST Subject: If you look on ebay long enough things show up To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- if you have looked at my want list web site you will notice i am looking for some very hard and almost impossible to find modern sets- one such set i have searched for years for is the 100 card American Archives Origins of Baseball set- it FINALLY showed up on ebay after searching for this set for many years on ebay and at shows and shops-ebay # 1804367436-another set i have searched for a long time for is the 20 card Baseball Card News set from 1982- 6 of the 20 cards also have finally showed up on ebay- # 1804304195-Does any on line trader have ANY of the 20 cards in this set- i have searched for these cards for many years- i am especially looking for the Mantle card from this set- ANY cards from this set i would appreciate- 2 other sets i am looking for are the Retort Negro League Legends 100 card sets- series 1 & 2 from 1991 and 1993.Does anyone have ANY cards from the 2 sets of 100 cards each- i have searched many years for these 2 Negro League card sets and haven't found a single card-- any help in locating these cards would be very much appreciated- ================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:18:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Card Show Haggler-my husband - the pain in the neck From: "david_skoglund_mn" I've got a new approach that I'm going to try out at the next show I Since I'm cheap and not picky about condition, I always felt kind weird about dragging a price guide along with me to a show. I usually just rip out the two pages in the monthly Beckett that list the sets I'm working on. Recently, I've purchased copies of the Sport Americana Baseball Card Price Guide (aka Beckett) numbers 1 and 2. The prices in there are a little more in line with what I'm willing to pay. I'm going to hunt down a number 3 and see if that one works better. In any case, I think one of those will be the price guide I take along to the next card show. I'm sure I'll get lots of strange looks, but it makes sense to me somehow. If my high price for a 1963 Fleer Joe Adcock, I might as well carry around a price guide that lists it at $20. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: BB Digest Availables Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 19:47:53 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Hey there people! Thanks to a recent auction win, the following Baseball Digests are Sept 1965 - Front cover: Pete Ward (ChiAL), Joe Morgan (Hou), Back cover: Phil Rizzuto Aug 1966 - FC: Mazeroski & Alley (Pit), BC: Luis Tiant (Clev) Sept 1966 - FC: George Scott (Bos), BC: John Roseboro (LA) Sept 1967 - FC: Tim McCarver (StL), BC: Al Kaline (Det) Get em' while they're hot!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: '65 Mantle question Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:59:06 -0500 From: "John Collins" I have seen several sellers on ebay describe the '65 Topps Mantle #350 as the "toughest Mantle card of the '60's." Can anyone shed some more light on exactly why this is? I know the card is condition sensitive and at number 350 could maybe be considered kind of a semi-high, but it's not as if it is number 550 or anything. (Topps seemed to like to giving Mantle numbers 50 and 350. He was 50 in both '64 and '66, and 350 in '60 and '65). Just wondering if anybody knows specifically why this one is harder. Was the middle series more difficult in '65? John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2002 national Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:42:10 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Anybody got the info on this year's show? Dates mostly. Thanks Big Al in Seattle Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:51:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 2002 national From: "jrhatchjr" Al and all, The national website has information: http://thenational.net/ I'm glad to say that I'll (finally) be attending. This will be my first one! I already have plane tickets...just hoping the airline doesn't go out of business :-) Happy Collecting! --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Al Cummings" wrote: > Anybody got the info on this year's show? Dates mostly. Thanks > Big Al in Seattle > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 18:05:31 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2002 national To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com In a message dated 2/13/02 4:52:58 PM Central Standard Time, Jrhatchjr@aol.com writes: > http://thenational.net/ hi all. the national is in chgo august 5-11 (monday to sunday). the cubbies are in town july 30-aug 4 and aug 12-18 if you want to plan around that. dont know if the white sox are in town, but if the cubs are out, the sox usually are in. looking forward to all of you visiting our great city! gary ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Wednesday availables Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:39:43 -0500 From: "John Collins" Apparently winter is not yet over, as a touch of the flu found me today andI came home from work early with the chills and a fever. After an afternoon nap though, I felt that sorting through some cards was the least I coulddo I have the following available to whoever needs them. If I owe you, please remind me. I looked at a few wantlists prior to posting this, but I knowI am leaving out some folks that I owe. 1954 Bowman (about fair to good): 4, 92, 98 1954 Topps (about good / very good): 11, 16, 27 1955 Topps: 57 (g) 1956 Topps (vg-ex): 50, 59, 70, 247 1957 Topps: 188 (g) John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:34:49 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '65 Mantle question To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hi John, I think that its tough just like those RARE 1989 Sportflics cards. To me, its just a sales gimmick. You want a tough card? Try a 1971 Al Weis # 751! ================= To: Subject: More a rant than a ramble Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:29:17 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I wasn't going to do this, but I have been forced into it. The Olympic skating thing. Probably has no place on this board, but I have nowhere else to vent. I'm no judge of skating by any means, but being Canadian, I know a little bit about what looks good on ice and what doesn't. The Canadian pair got totally jobbed by the so-called judges. I now agree that the Olympics are every bit as crooked a "sport" as boxing is. The Russians skated a very nice dance, but shouldn't even have been on the same ice surface. I really appreciated the U.S. fans, who gave the Canadians a standing ovation for winning the Silver, and just a polite scattering of applause to the Russians for winning the Gold. Jay Leno was wonderful in his support on his show, bringing on a Canadian flag, playing our anthem, and having the audience rise in salute to these two. The best news is that a guy in Alberta has started up a website, asking people to send in little gold bits of jewellery, and a jewellery firm has offered to store same in their vault, melt it down, and make them a solid Gold medal. They have been overwhelmed with contributions. The Russians can jam their gold-plated silver medal where the sun don't shine. They know. So do the French and Polish judges. Thank you, I feel a lot better. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:22:40 EST Subject: 1970 Team Box Available To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM I picked up this box that was full of cards recently. After seeing the recent bidding war for the footlocker that was on Ebay I figured somebody might want this box. It is about the size of a shoebox. It is from 1970 manufactured by professional training aids. Inside there are dividers by team. American league on one side and National league on the other. The previous owner even updated it for the move of the Senators to Texas. I do know that it once was John's box because he wrote it on the top and side for posterity. It is available to anybody who wants it the only preference is if a "John " wants it. Might as well stick with the name if we can. If no John wants it then it goes to the first anybody else that wants it. Thanks. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:26:37 EST Subject: Football cards went fast To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM The football cards went like hot cakes. Now we need a John to claim his long lost box :) ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 07:56:13 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960 Fleer #80 appears! From: Dan Austin Since this was a hot topic this week, maybe someone is interested in shelling out the $1000 for this high grade copy of #80? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804154475&r=0&t=0&showTutorial=0&ed=1013912041&indexURL=0&rd=1 Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:58:13 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations update From: " john harrell" Thus far the following people have been nominated for the OBCAC: Spike Glidden Lorin Anderson Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 17:07:26 EST Subject: Re: '65 Mantle question/2002 Nationals/V2K2 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 2/13/02 10:29:49 PM, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: << I have seen several sellers on ebay describe the '65 Topps Mantle #350 as the "toughest Mantle card of the '60's." Can anyone shed some more light on exactly why this is? >> Hi gang, I thought about this question for a little while and decided to put that statement to the test. I contacted Dr. Bunsen Honeydew at Muppet Labs and had him put all the Mantle cards from the 60's through a series of rigorous tests. The tests were designed to see what the durability, stamina, endurance and overall 'toughness' of each card was. These included the 'bike spoke test' and the 'flipping against a brick wall test' among others. Surprisingly, the '65 Mantle was not the toughest of the bunch. Rather, the 1969 Mantle with the white letters proved to be the toughest. This can be partially attributed to the card's youth compared to the others according to Dr. Honeydew. He also added that the real 'toughness' was determined was determined by an independent judge (we'll call him "Beaker" to protect his anonymity). He was apparently scared the most when shown the 1969 card... or maybe just confused by all the numbers on the back, he couldn't tell from the judge's unitelligible mutterings. I tend to agree with this recent study. I might also add that the 1969 WL Mantle is also one of the more difficult cards of The Mick to locate BTW, I should let everyone know that I got a nice hand written thank you card in the mail yesterday from Ms. Lauren Davis for a 1961 card I sent her depicting her father. Concerning the upcoming Nationals in Chicago this year. I plan on attending for the entire week (Aug. 3-11 or so). I'm looking into getting a conference room close to the show, since I anticipate a lot of the group to be staying close by. Plus I believe Kevin Savage has hinted that he'd be willing to foot the bill for the room and a small pizza party as he did last year. I plan to stay at David K's new digs a few miles (45 min?) away. More details as they unfold can be learned by subscribing to the OBC National mail server. I think Bob Reed started this one for last year's show, but I noticed I'm still subscribed (OBC_National@yahoogroups.com - please note the 'underscore' instead of the 'hyphen'). It's not too early to start making plans for August though. As a special note to Howard, AUGUST is the month between July and September - that's right, **AUGUST**. Anyone else that plans on attending, please don't make the same mistake Howard did last year and select the correct month for the show (which is August if you haven't been paying close attention). You'll enjoy it a lot more if you meet up with the rest of us. While I'm throwing barbs out, I was wondering if we should tell Al that the show is at the end of July, so he'll arrive by August? Then I figured he'd probably still be on his way to Vegas by then, so I won't bother Speaking of Vegas, I made my flight reservations on priceline.com yesterday. Now all I need to do is figure out which casino(s) will be the lucky recipient(s) of all my money for the three nights I'll be in town. I have the traditional favorite Bally's, but I also have a new VIP membership at Harrah's and another one at last year's hangout, the Sahara. I wish I could get them all into a bidding war to provide my lodging ...if they knew how much I lost in '97, I'd probably get a complimentary room! I'm hoping to get the official (as it gets) itinerary from Mike and a guest list, so I can bring some corresponding dupes with me. That's enough rambling for now. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:39:41 EST Subject: need help with value of a card To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i saw a card on the local bid board this week i need help with the value of so i don't bid too much- it is 64 Topps # 550- the Ken Hubbs in memorium card- several bidders in the shop say this card is extremely rare- it is bid up to $5.50 on the local bid board- is this card that rare and how much it is worth for an EX condition one???? any help or advise would be appreciated- Linda ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:48:52 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations update From: " john harrell" Lorin Anderson has requested that his name be removed from the nomination list. The following nominations remain: Spike Glidden Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Bob D'Angelo Mike Wierzbicki Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 21:28:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need help with value of a card To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com My 2002 SCD Standard Catalog lists the card as follows: Near Mint $28.00 Ex $14.00 VG $ 8.50 That's all I know. Hope it helps. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 22:01:46 EST Subject: Korreckshun To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I sent a message earlier regarding the UV list (to try to get those cards off this server and where they belong). Carlos Alcazar is the owner of that list on Yahoogroups, but I misidentified his e-mail address. Please e-mail him at alcazar@sympatico.ca - the globalserve address was probably 7 addresses ago, but I NEVER update my address boo any more. Now back to the old cardboard. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 19:41:05 -0800 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Interesting Oddball Set From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804792615 Card set from 76 Indianapolis card show. They kind of resemble 75 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fort Washington show dates Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 00:45:36 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" The next Fort Washington, PA show is March 1 - 3. Times are Fri. 5 pm to 9 pm; Sat. 9 am to 5 pm; Sun. 9 am to 4 pm. I am working on getting a room for two nights. Who else is planning on being there? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 22:51:49 +0800 Subject: Nominations clarification From: " john harrell" Sorry to flood your mail boxes with OBCAC stuff but I feel I need to clarify something. The nominations for OBCAC voting membership should be considered separate from nominations for facilitator. Thus far I have received 1 nomination for facilitator. However, the person nominated emailed me that he did not wish to be considered for that position but would be willing to serve on the OBCAC. Thus I simply added his name to the list of nominations for voting membership. As I am the ballot creator and vote counter, I will not submit any nominations for either position. We have a number of people in the group who I think would be excellent nominations for facilitator but we need your input. Thanks for your time. ================= To: Subject: A question about the National Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:38:46 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" I'm thinking about going to the National this year. I have never been to ashow that large (you can do the Tacoma Dome show in about four hours). I am curious how many days it takes to cover a show as large as the National.I realize there is great individual differences in speed, but I'm wondering if anyone has any advice. One major reason for thinking of going to Chicago this Summer is the funding situation at Amtrak. I have always wanted to go on a cross-country trainride. As a kid, I occasionally took the train on short trips - no longer than 300 miles. I keep reading that Amtrak is going to cut most of its longer routes this Fall if they don't get a significant bail-out from the Government. So, this Summer may be my last chance to take that train trip. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:03:12 EST Subject: Re: Interesting oddball set To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804792615 Card set from 76 Indianapolis card show. They kind of resemble 75 I love the fact that the show has a flipping contest!! ================= Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 19:50:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '65 Mantle question To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I think the 1961 Mantle All-star is tougher and do not get me started on the 1966 OPC Mantle. 1969 white letter anyone? Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: EvilBay etc. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 16:53:57 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Geno just took most of the words right outta my mouth...Geno-you'll never get ALL of them! A lot of OBC'ers sell on EvilBay, myself included...big deal. I'd bet a pay cheque (check, down there) that no one in this group would knowingly sell a gift from within the group. Seems to me we had a young kid join the group 2 or 3 years back who did just that...he got picked off pretty quick, and is likely selling used cars now. Kid had shyster potential, for sure. Gee, maybe he's a lawyer by now , or better yet, a politician! If anyone ever wants to check on me to make sure I'm not selling OBC stuff on EvilBay, my user ID is grainsley. Go ahead and take a look...I could use some more bids on the 1956 John Wayne comic book of "The Searchers" and the 1967 Vancouver Mounties PCL program anyways...never know, they might just appeal to someone in OBC....Ken, haven't you always been a Duke fan? Steve...isn't it time to start a PCL program collection...Lynn, haven't you always harbored a deep feeling for bringing the CFL to the Philippines? The Manila Maulers maybe? The sad fact is that sooner or later, all of our cards will end up sold somewhere. You get hit by a bus, wife and kids have no interest in what you were collecting, and just want to get rid of the "junk." Off the cards go to EvilBay or some low-life scum-sucking 5% type dealer, unless you have an arrangement like Robert Pigeon and I...it's a beauty. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EvilBay etc. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:51:18 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- Another Ebay note - I do have an entire dining room set with a china hutch on Ebay right now, so if anybody needs storage space for cards, the hutch would be great! Wouldn't your wife love to see your cards in the dining room next to the serving platter from your wedding?!? On a related note, I have an extra lawn mower I'm putting in the local thrift shop for $30 - I've already earmarked the money for a 1961 Bob Cerv! As you oldtimers remember, the last time I sold a lawnmower, I got a T205 Cobb out of the deal. Maybe I should start buying lawnmowers on Ebay... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Rainsley" To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] EvilBay etc. > Geno just took most of the words right outta my mouth...Geno-you'll never > get ALL of them! > A lot of OBC'ers sell on EvilBay, myself included...big deal. I'd bet a > cheque (check, down there) that no one in this group would knowingly sell > gift from within the group. Seems to me we had a young kid join the group > or 3 years back who did just that...he got picked off pretty quick, and is > likely selling used cars now. Kid had shyster potential, for sure. Gee, > maybe he's a lawyer by now , or better yet, a politician! > If anyone ever wants to check on me to make sure I'm not selling OBC stuff > on EvilBay, my user ID is grainsley. Go ahead and take a look...I could > some more bids on the 1956 John Wayne comic book of "The Searchers" and > 1967 Vancouver Mounties PCL program anyways...never know, they might just > appeal to someone in OBC....Ken, haven't you always been a Duke fan? > Steve...isn't it time to start a PCL program collection...Lynn, haven't > always harbored a deep feeling for bringing the CFL to the Philippines? > Manila Maulers maybe? > The sad fact is that sooner or later, all of our cards will end up sold > somewhere. You get hit by a bus, wife and kids have no interest in what > were collecting, and just want to get rid of the "junk." Off the cards go > EvilBay or some low-life scum-sucking 5% type dealer, unless you have an > arrangement like Robert Pigeon and I...it's a beauty. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] EvilBay etc. Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:54:08 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden On 2/15/02 7:53 PM, Grant Rainsley said: >The sad fact is that sooner or later, all of our cards will end up sold >somewhere. You get hit by a bus, wife and kids have no interest in what you >were collecting, and just want to get rid of the "junk." Off the cards go to >EvilBay or some low-life scum-sucking 5% type dealer, unless you have an >arrangement like Robert Pigeon and I...it's a beauty. What Grant said ... I'm probably going to sell a portion of my collection over the next few weeks, although it will certainly be the star cards I had to buy on eBay anyway, while the rest of a few sets make their way out to the group to WL or as starter sets. Just a heads-up in case anyone wonders, "is that MY 1956 Mays grey back he's got up there??" :) But please, please no bidding up or anything. I'm not in any kind of financial crisis, but I would like to get some hard money back out of the investments I've made so I can move it into other things. My card desire hasn't changed, just become more focused. Expect several availables notices before too long. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Subject: Late night on eBay Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 00:02:16 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Found a few lots of OBC interest: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805266340 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803477864 (Washington McCovey variation + others) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804413334 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804425655 (Don't know what the reserve is, but it's a bunch of cards) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805569001 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805685341 (new word to search for ... "raggedy" :) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805210234 (51 red backs and blue backs) OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:37:29 +0800 Subject: OBCAC nominations update From: " john harrell" We still need a nomination for OBCAC facilitator. Please make sure the person is willing before you nominate them. Spike Glidden Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Bob D'Angelo Mike Wierzbicki Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= To: Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC nominations update Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 09:02:24 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" > Geno, and all > Thanks for the suggestion that I run for the facilitator position. I > have no problem taking the nominations if I had a work schedule that > me to be home a fair amount of the time. There are times I can be gone > extended periods of time. In October we got very busy with a few large > installation, and modifications to pizza and bagel lines. This is the > time I've been home for a period of time. Been home 8 days. I guess > I'm trying to say is the position in my mind requires a person who can get > things done in a timely fashion. I don't feel that I can do the position > justice. > Hence, I nominate Mike Hair for the position. I have e-mailed Mike about > this in the last few weeks. He said he would consider. He gets VERY busy > in the summer months. > Mike, I hope you are in a position to say "yes". You also have a very > understanding of OBCAC from your past terms on the board. If work does > allow you to accept, that is fully understandable, and I (we) thank you > considering the nomination. > BAMA, we need to hear from Mike before we add his name. > David Kolenda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geno Wagner" > To: " john harrell" > Cc: "David Kolenda" > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:37 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC nominations update > > Bama -- > > > > I'll nominate David Kolenda, assuming he's willing to do the facilitator > > job. I think he has the right idea about how to get things done. What > > you think David? > > > > Take Care, Geno > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " john harrell" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:37 AM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC nominations update > > > > > > > We still need a nomination for OBCAC facilitator. Please make sure the > > person is willing before you nominate them. > > > > > > > > > Spike Glidden > > > Ken Morganti > > > Mark Atnip > > > Mike Diamanti > > > Kent Goto > > > David Kolenda > > > Howard Morgan > > > Steve Rittenberg > > > Doug Smith > > > Bob D'Angelo > > > Mike Wierzbicki > > > > > > Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST > > Sunday, February 17. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1805860284: Lord/Tannehill Vintage Hassan Tobacco Card Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 12:38:27 PST From: amcook93@aol.com Here's a cheap T202 in case someone is interested. I'm not bidding on it. Andy Title of item: Lord/Tannehill Vintage Hassan Tobacco Card Starts: Feb-16-02 10:51:46 PST Ends: Feb-23-02 10:51:46 PST Price: Starts at $2.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805860284 Item Description: Harry D. Lord/Lee Tannehill "Held at Third" Vintage Hassan Triple Fold Tobacco Baseball Card(1912-1914). Card shows wear(sold as is). No Reserve! Buyer pays $2.50 shipping & handling(in US,outside costs more). Combine auctions to save on s&h. Payment is due within 7 days of auction close. Money order,check,or cash is fine. Credit cards are accepted through PayPal & eBay Payments("Billpoint")only. Not responsible for lost or damaged items by USPS. Good Luck! On Feb-16-02 at 11:26:14 PST, seller added the following information: Click image to view larger version Click image to view larger version Low cost image hosting and full service auction management solutions: AuctionWatch Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 15:38:54 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball Nicknames From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Spring Training is here and, as we all know, in Spring, a young man's heart turns to baseball. With the start of Spring Training, I propose that OBC has some fun with baseball memories. Let's put together a list of our favorite baseball nicknames in three categories: 1) Colorful/Unusual 2) Alliterative 3) Animal As an initial offering, here are some of my favorites: 1) Colorful/Unusual: Granny Hamner Daffy Dean Al "The Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky 2) Alliterative: Rip Repulski Bazooka Basinski Hammerin' Hank 3) Animal Names: Ducky Medwick Catfish Hunter Of course, any of us could list dozens of favorites. Send your suggestions either to me or to the entire list, and I'll compile them. Suggestions for other categories are also welcome. Have fun, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Nicknames Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 16:18:55 -0500 From: "John Collins" If anyone has a copy of "The Book" handy, I know that there is a very comprehensive listing of nicknames there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wierzbicki To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Nicknames Hi, Gang! Spring Training is here and, as we all know, in Spring, a young man's heart turns to baseball. With the start of Spring Training, I propose that OBC has some fun with baseball memories. Let's put together a list of our favorite baseball nicknames in three categories: 1) Colorful/Unusual 2) Alliterative 3) Animal As an initial offering, here are some of my favorites: 1) Colorful/Unusual: Granny Hamner Daffy Dean Al "The Mad Hungarian" Hrabosky 2) Alliterative: Rip Repulski Bazooka Basinski Hammerin' Hank 3) Animal Names: Ducky Medwick Catfish Hunter Of course, any of us could list dozens of favorites. Send your suggestions either to me or to the entire list, and I'll compile them. Suggestions for other categories are also welcome. Have fun, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:22:00 EST Subject: Mantle Record To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com If anyone's interested: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1803521464&r=0&t=0& ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 17:45:48 EST Subject: Card show and some availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey dudes and dudette, Went to a local card show today.. let's start with a few availables: 74 Unnumbered (green) team checklists- Yanks, Giants, Padres, Brewers, Pirates, Cards, Expos, Rangers, Angels, Phillies, White Sox, Twins 69 checklists # 107 (2), 214 70T- 200 AL Playoff #2 72T- 21- Braves team Talk about disappointing... All I saw from about 100 tables was rows of UV and slabbed merchandise. Tons of autographed stuff (Larry Holmes and a few others were there signing). My favorite is when you hit a box that says, "50% off book". Now this might not be so bad if the stuff was graded (or even looked at). Tons of crap. I did pick up some 79s and a few Yanks, but overall, what a waste of time and $$. Steve R. has been trying to coax me to next month's Fort Washington show. After what I saw today, I'll probably be going. You can't find any beaters, there are no .25/.50 boxes. They are all labeled now "50% off marked price". And they all mark the stuff at book. At times like this I am disappointed and grateful. The hobby looks like it is reverting to the 80s mentality, meanwhile there is still OBC. I did meet a dealer who recognized my OBC cap and I told him to bring any 'junk' he has lying around to PA for us (John's sports cards). He will be at booth 208. I hope we are not running into one of those cycles, it really wasn't much fun at that show. On that note, who is going to Fort Washington? ALSO- I just noticed that I am missing a 74T # 251 from my Yankee set, Graig Nettles. Don't you hate when that happens? Any help appreciated. ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:43:52 EST Subject: need help with dating topps posters To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Today i won some topps 5" by 7" posters on thin paper on the local bid board- i can't find them in the big SCD book- # 28 is Juan Marichal---#1 is Boog Powell---#12 is Willie Mays---#15 is Hank Aaron---What year is this set from?- how was it issued?? What are they worth??? any information would be appreciated- thanks, Linda ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:44:13 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 20:59:53 -0500 (EST) To: JazzGirl1920s@aol.com Subject: 1967s From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 21:08:47 -0500 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need help with dating topps posters From: Mark Talbot Hi Linda, You have Topps insert posters from 1967. These are refered to as "pin-ups", they are in the SCD and the annual Beckett. They were issued one per pack in a couple of the series that year. They are realaively inexpensive and fun to collect. BTW I need the Mays and Aaron for my collection and would gladly trade you for them I could send you a few others from the set for them. BE REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@comcast.net * jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote: > hi- this is Linda- Today i won some topps 5" by 7" posters on thin paper on > the local bid board- i can't find them in the big SCD book- # 28 is Juan > Marichal---#1 is Boog Powell---#12 is Willie Mays---#15 is Hank Aaron---What > year is this set from?- how was it issued?? What are they worth??? any > information would be appreciated- thanks, Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:28:09 EST Subject: Availables- Plenty to go around To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok folks, I've found a bunch of cards that need homes. Check your wantlists twice, because I do not want to put all this on my availables page. OBC rules apply... I also have some Sportflics Mets and Yanks 87-90 from an Ebay lot I won, send me your needs for those 60T- 3,55,56,147,178,192,236,273,280,389,390,407,409,411,438,506 62T- 13,37,95,127,194,236,516 63T- 102,269,308,309,397 65T- 23,199,214,237,255,373,386,396,399,434,435 66T- 381,392,421,422,425,432,434,438,442 67T- 16,18,89,96,101,135,179,184,288(2),307,318,353 68T- 172,314,457,526,561 69T- 3,4,321,567(2) 70T- 67,291,319,440 1970 OPC- 22,133,159 72T- 52,195,294,400,4448,495,557,558,572 73T- 80,181,199,207,500 74T- 338 75T- 75,308 79T- 25,123,300,340,369,414,665 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:42:36 EST Subject: Question for OCT,VCT members To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Does anyone in either or both of these groups have an address list for these members? I've gotten around to looking at the web pages and found some old friends that I haven't talked to in ages and I'd like to do a "sneak attack" on their wantlists. Also I know there is some cross membership here, and with my growing availables lists, I'd like to make these available to them after OBC has picked their wants. Thanks for the help... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 13:17:52 +0800 Subject: Final nominations update From: " john harrell" Here is the final update of nominations received as of 11:00 pm CST. Mike Hair OBCAC voting members: Spike Glidden Ken Morganti Mark Atnip Mike Diamanti Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Bob D'Angelo Mike Wierzbicki Remember that the deadline for submitting nominations is 9:00 a.m PST on Sunday, February 17. ================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 03:00:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: e-mail To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman PLEASE SEND ALL OBC- RAMBLINGS AND THANKS TO MY E-MAIL @ YAHOO. jstorman2001@yahoo.com RATHER THAN MY johnstorman@bay.flrealtor.net. THE SECOND ADDRESS IS MY BUSINESS ADDRESS AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT AND IT FILLS UP RATHER QUICKLY WITH PROFESSIONAL CORRESPONDENCE. YOU CAN USE THE SECOND ADDRESS TO CONTACT ME BUT PLEASE ONLY IF THE FIRST IS NOT WORKING. THANKS, JOHN Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:52:24 EST Subject: 1970 Topps: Plan B To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Last week I asked if anyone had easy 1970 Topps lists. I did get some responses, but wasn't able to do much. So, I still have this pile of 70-ish low grade 1970 Topps cards on my desk that keeps getting in my way. Lets try this: would someone like to start a 1970 Topps set? That way, the next time someone asks if anyone has an easy 1970 Topps list, you'll have one :-) Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 08:55:50 EST Subject: verify ebay account To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Did anyone else get a verify your ebay account email? Is this a scam? I get stuff like to update my AOL information on a daily basis and they're all scams. Is this legit? ================= Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 09:57:27 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] verify ebay account To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 2/17/2002 8:57:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, amcook93@aol.com writes: << Did anyone else get a verify your ebay account email? Is this a scam? I stuff like to update my AOL information on a daily basis and they're all scams. Is this legit? Andy >> This is a total scam. I clicked on the link to see the page. There are spaces to enter all your ebay information PLUS enter your paypal information!!!!! Paypal isn't owned by Ebay. I'm forwarding the email to Ebay. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 16:32:13 -0500 From: "galtemos" How about good old Bob "Death to Flying Things" Ferguson? Or "Pink" Hawley? (His brother was "Blue" Hawley.) Or Fielder Jones? (That was his given name........not a nickname.) > From: keithsummers@webtv.net > To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo > Date: Saturday, February 16, 2002 8:44 PM > Here are some of my fav players or fav nicknames, along with a link to > some more & some lingo: > Jimmie "Double X" Foxx > Bill "Mad Dog" Madlock > Dave "Cobra" Parker > "Rip" Repulski > "Branch" Rickey > "Smokey Burgess" > Wilmer "Vinegar Bend" Mizell > James "Cool Papa" Bell > Ollie "Downtown" Brown > "Jumbo" Jim Nash > Harry "Suitcase" Simpson > Willie "Pops" Stargell > Roger "Rocket" Clemons (Sp?) > John "Champ" Summers > Ralph "Roadrunner" Garr > Walt "No Neck" Williams > Zane "No Chin" Smith > Johnnie B. "Dusty" Baker > Vince "Firecracker" Coleman > Phil "Knucksie" Niekro > Jimmy "Toy Cannon" Wynn > ---------------------------------------------- > NBA > ------ > George "Ice Man" Gervin (he's cool) > Chuck "Human Victory Cigar" Nevitt > Daryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins > ----------------------------------------- > NFL > ------ > Kenny "The Snake" Stabler > Billy "White Shoes" Johnson > "Bullet" Bob Hayes > ------------------------------------ > I also know of a Chris Berman (of ESPN) list of nicknames if anyone > wants to see it. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > http://www.stevetheump.com/Nicknames.htm ================= To: Subject: National Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 17:17:36 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" RE Dave Fallen's question of how much time to allocate at the National: I've attended all the Nationals that have been held in Chicago. I think thelargest was at McCormick Place several years ago. The more recent shows inRosemont seem a little more geographically mangeable. Lately the biggest chore has been to get to the vintage, ungraded card dealers and to weed out all the others. I think if you write-down the dealer locations that look tobe of interest as you go through, you can double back to those dealers at the end of one long day. If you are interested in everything, you will never get through each table at the entire show. I've never spent more than a day at the National, I have felt rather rushedand tired though. But I usually run out of money in my budget before I runout of time. Since I'm from Chicago, I skip some dealers that look familiar since I've seen their stuff at other Chicago shows. George Vrechek ================= To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 18:40:26 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" John, you are amazing. I never thought I would win this Mantle, for less than $20. You have any more OBC cards you don't want to bid on? Big Al in Seattle >From: "John Collins" >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:18:12 -0500 >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1804418643 >This is a true OBC type Mantle for those of you working on the '66 set. I >can't see this one fetching more than $20 myself, but we'll see ! >John C. Collins Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:57:11 -0500 From: "John Collins" I have one of my ebay searches set up to notify me for any listing that contains the words "Mantle Poor" in the title. I don't get hits to it all that often, but sometimes it pays off when I do :) Glad you won the card ! Take Care, ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Cummings To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle John, you are amazing. I never thought I would win this Mantle, for less than $20. You have any more OBC cards you don't want to bid on? Big Al in Seattle >From: "John Collins" >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:18:12 -0500 >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1804418643 >This is a true OBC type Mantle for those of you working on the '66 set. I >can't see this one fetching more than $20 myself, but we'll see ! >John C. Collins Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:41:55 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" John -- That's a good idea - I have mine set up to alert me to "Big Al is bidding on stuff" - then I can send menacing emails to other potential bidders and tell them that if Big Al doesn't win for less than $20, they will have Ken "The Axeman" Morganti coming after their kneecaps. It seems to be quite effective, as can be witnessed by the Mantle Al just won (by the way, Axeman, you can have the day off...) Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Al Cummings Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:57 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle I have one of my ebay searches set up to notify me for any listing that contains the words "Mantle Poor" in the title. I don't get hits to it allthat often, but sometimes it pays off when I do :) Glad you won the card! Take Care, ----- Original Message ----- From: Al Cummings To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle John, you are amazing. I never thought I would win this Mantle, for less than $20. You have any more OBC cards you don't want to bid on? Big Al in Seattle >From: "John Collins" >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 66 Mantle >Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 07:18:12 -0500 >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1804418643 >This is a true OBC type Mantle for those of you working on the '66 set. >can't see this one fetching more than $20 myself, but we'll see ! >John C. Collins Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 21:00:35 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" My fave is Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 22:41:14 -0500 From: "John Collins" How about Lonnie "Error-A-Day" Frey ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Knowles To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo My fave is Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC condition '55 Williams Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2002 23:20:13 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1806191515 Bid early and bid often ! This '55 of the Splendid Splinter has some splendid creases ! John C. Collins ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 13:16:06 +0800 Subject: OBCAC Election From: " john harrell" It is time now to proceed with the election of your OBCAC for the next year. Please ballot separately for the Facilitator and Voting Member positions (doesn't have to be separate emails, just make sure you don't put the facilitator in with your voting members). Vote for up to but not more than seven Voting Member Nominees. I must have your ballots by 4:00 PST next Sunday, February 24. Thanks for putting up with all my emails. Mike Hair OBCAC Voting Member Nominees: Mark Atnip Bob D'Angelo Mike Diamanti Spike Glidden Kent Goto David Kolenda Howard Morgan Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Geno Wagner Mike Wierzbicki Tom Williams ================= Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 08:40:12 EST Subject: Re: OBC 66 Mantle To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Sun, 17 Feb 2002 19:41:55, Geno Wagner" writes: << John -- That's a good idea - I have mine set up to alert me to "Big Al is bidding on stuff" - then I can send menacing emails to other potential bidders and tell them that if Big Al doesn't win for less than $20, they will have Ken "The Axeman" Morganti coming after their kneecaps. It seems to be quite effective, as can be witnessed by the Mantle Al just won (by the way, Axeman, you can have the day off...) >> I've still got my mini Louisville Slugger with my screen name burned into it to put to use for those occasions :-) Actually it was about a year ago that I was telling everyone about a '72 Ryan (plus a 72 Aaron) I won on eBay for about $10, when Big Al e-mailed me all upset that the 1972 Ryan was the last one he needed to complete his run. "I wish I could find deals like that on eBay." I told him I'd keep an eye out for him and grab another one if I could... I think it was the next day that I finished as the high bidder on another one - for under $8. Al reimbursed me in Vegas. So I don't always have to threaten violence... or maybe people just see my name and don't bid on the cards TAYL, Ken M ================= To: , "Todd Knowles" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 12:50:32 -0500 From: "galtemos" How about Babe Ruth's nickname for Leo Durocher.........."The All-American From: John Collins To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com; Todd Knowles Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo Date: Sunday, February 17, 2002 10:41 PM How about Lonnie "Error-A-Day" Frey ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Todd Knowles To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2002 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Player Nicknames/ Lingo My fave is Hugh "Losing Pitcher" Mulcahy. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: mystery Pilot Stamps Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 21:48:44 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Anyone got more info on this set? I thought I knew everything Pilots. Big Al in Seattle http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1806340244 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] mystery Pilot Stamps Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2002 23:21:59 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" These are 1969 Major League Baseball Photostamps (pet SCD). It is a set of 216 player stamps, issued in sheets of 12 (9 AL sheets and 9 NL sheets). As you can see from the pictures, there are no team insignias or logos because the stamps were not authorized by MLB (they were issued by the Player's Someone has put the Pilots set together from various sheets of stamps, as they were not issued in team sets. An opening bid of $6.99 is quite high for these stamps. According to the SCD, "Many sheets of these stamps were uncovered by a dealer in the early 1980's and they were available at inexpensive prices." I did an eBay search on "photostamps" and found four more auctions. One is for AL sheets 1 through 8 (96 stamps) with an opening bid of $3.99. Unfortunately, Don Mincher is on Sheet 9. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Cummings" To: Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] mystery Pilot Stamps > Anyone got more info on this set? I thought I knew everything Pilots. > Big Al in Seattle > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1806340244 > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Subject: As the New Yorker would say, "There'll always be an eBay" Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 07:49:19 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1805951096 (Fortunately, I have the Quirk card ...) OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 06:00:00 -0800 From: "John Collins" Somebody claimed the following cards off of my waiver wire last week, but I have forgotten who -- sorry. If these sound familiar, please let me know who you are and I will get them out ASAP. 1954 Topps - 11, 16 1956 Topps - 50(Rhodes), 70 ================= To: Subject: Re: Nicknames Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 13:04:11 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" When I lived in LA a couple of the the Dodgers' stars were.... Orel "Don't call me Steve" Hershiser, and Steve "Don't call me Oral" Sax ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Strange availables....... Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:51:07 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Here's some weird ones for you. I picked up some low grade 1930's cricketers and rugby players (cigarette cards), at my local collectibles shop at lunch time today. After dispatching some to Messrs Iversen and Morgan, (and 1 other who shall for the moment remain nameless), I've got about 30 of these Tipton beauties remaining. If anyone would like to add something a little different to you collection, let me know, and I'll divvy them up between whoever asks! Glasgow, Scotland ps........otherwise, Ol' Grizz'll get 'em all! ================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:24:16 EST Subject: Another missed opportunity To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Here in New Hampshire, we have one park where professional baseball is played: Holman Stadium in Nashua. Holman was built before World War II and played host to the Nashua Dodgers in the 1940's (Don Newcombe and Roy Campanella played there), then hosted the AA Nashua Angels and Pirates in the mid-1980's. Today, Holman is host to the Nashua Pride of the independent Atlantic League. Though the stadium hasn't changed much over the years (brick and concrete stands behind the plate and down the lines) it did get a minor facelift a few years ago when seats from Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium were installed. This winter, Holman is receiving a major renovation. I've known about the renovation since last summer but it was only a couple of weeks ago (as oblivious as I am) that I put two and two together: what is going to happen to the Atlanta seats that are being replaced? That would be pretty cool to have a seat from the old Launching Pad, eh? I contacted the local recreation department last week and asked the question. I was told that they sold some of the seats and then put an ad in the local newspaper asking anyone who wanted a seta could come and pick it up. Not too many people took them up on the offer, so the rest were taken to a landfill on the outskirts of town. I was told that I could go there and try to pick one out if I wanted. Last Saturday, my father and I took a ride to the landfill. We told the gate attendant what we were trying to do. We were then told by the attendant that we needed permission from the Superintendent who was not in that day. Yesterday, the Super's office was closed for President's Day. I called this morning and left a voice mail. My call was returned, but was told that the metal seats were since recycled along with the other scrap and that a few plastic seats were buried in the landfill. It's kind of a sad visual: stadium seats that saw many historic moments in baseball now reside deep within a landfill in southern New Hampshire. I guess I'll have to use more traditional seating in my backyard this spring... Happy Collecting! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Locker Waivers Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 17:36:48 -0500 From: "James Moleta" I was still in the middle of sorting thru magazine & oddball requests (btw, I think everyone that asked will get something) on Saturday when the postman arrived w/ a pkg I had been eagerly awaiting. I tore it open like Christmas day and just sat back enjoying the sight of my army green 1968 Team Locker! It is so cool! Once it settled in that I had finally acquired a locker of my own (as opposed to coveting my cousin's locker for all these years) what made it even cooler was opening it up to find it stuffed to the gills w/ cards! I don't think Chuck (the guy who sold it) could've crammed more in there if he had tried! Once I pried the cards out, I found some that were pack fresh, but many others that were more what we are used to: warped, dinged & even some that were stuck together due to water damage! I'm still sorting thru them, but I already have several that are dupes & wanted to offer them to the group. Most of these are not the pack fresh variety, for those who are weak of heart! Here goes: 1966 Topps: most of these look good, but are kinda warped-maybe they can be ironed? 6 51 87 89 114 178 180 191 212 214 227 233 241 250 272 282 480 1967 Topps: most of these have paper loss - some minimal, some more significant. Some of these were stuck together when I got them, but I found that I am not very adept at prying then apart. Some are slightly warped as well: 7 20 25 46 52 53 54 56 57 74 77 80 81 83 85 89 96 98 108 116 128 129 182 195 201 206 209 210 219 223 225 226 227 229 245 247 251 257 261 263 265 268 280 282 285 293 301 305 306 307 311 322 328 331 332 335 340 358 363 366 374 380 382 383 388 391 392 393 399 404 406 408 413 415 415 417 421 424 426 429 434 436 446 Here are some 67s that I didnt think I could pry apart w/o killing the cards, so I left 'em together. Maybe you'll have better luck? The parts of the cards I can see (other than the f/b card on each stack) look gorgeous - if you're into that type of thing! 8 Mets incl Boyer 2 Braves Johnson & Oliver 2 Phillies Mauch & Allen 2 Tigers Smith & Wood 9 Dodgers incl Drysdale w/ Billy Williams stuck to back 3 Tigers incl Kaline 2 Tigers (Freehan & Lolich)stuck to 2 Indians (Hargan & Smith) 1968 Topps: most of these look good, but were wet & dried kinda funny 49 63 77 204 222 239 242 273 293 313 341 354 411 426 1969 Topps: same as the 68s, except we have some hi #'s! 18 26 30 39 49 56 66 70 76 149 333 351 358 378 439 453 462 474 478 497 502 506 519 523 547 562 621 625 628 645 653 654 Let me know if you can use any of these, as well as the magazines from a few days ago. Thanks! Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 20:57:58 EST Subject: glue question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I just bought a lot of 59's. They included a card with a glue stain, and the stain is still pretty sticky. Any ideas how to minimize the glue? ================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:53 EST Subject: FINALLY To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com One of the very coolest sets ever made is the 55 Topps Double Headers. Copied off the T201 mecca doublefolder set, it has a player on each side of the card. The set has only 66 cards, although there are 132 numbers because each player is numbered. Placed side by side the backgrounds form a continuous stadium scene. I wish I had known about this set in 1955 when i was a kid and collecting, but the first time I saw it was about 5 years ago. I didn't believe I would ever complete the set, but a year ago i got to within one card. Ted Kluzewski. I don't know what ol' Ted did to deserve it, but he was obviously a short print. I couldn't find the card at any price. Finally, a couple weeks ago, I found Ted on ebay. I was going to be traveling so i bid three times the SCD value of the card. Someone out bid me. I was crushed. Three days later another Ted came up on ebay. 5 years I've been hunting and the card come up for auction twice in two weeks. This time I bid 4 times the SCD value, but there was little interest other than me and a very polite Lorin Anderson, who wanted the card but didn't bid, and I got ol' Ted for a reasonable $21.00. He arrived today !!! I COMPLETED THE 55 TOPPS DOUBLE HEADER SET!!! I still can't believe it. Ya'll need to come on over and see it ..it is soooo cool. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:55:05 EST Subject: Some available 72s To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XDDX@aol.com Hey gang .... got some dupes in an ebay purchase today. These are overall 21 31 44 55 67 88 89 135 222 227 229 323 362 380 387 588 612 ================= Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:37:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FINALLY To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Way to Go, Doug! I think we all have been that giddy one time or another... definitely one of the coolest feelings, isn't it? Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] FINALLY Date: 2/19/02 9:14:53 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com One of the very coolest sets ever made is the 55 Topps Double Headers. Copied off the T201 mecca doublefolder set, it has a player on each side of the card. The set has only 66 cards, although there are 132 numbers because each player is numbered. Placed side by side the backgrounds form a continuous stadium scene. I wish I had known about this set in 1955 when was a kid and collecting, but the first time I saw it was about 5 years ago. I didn't believe I would ever complete the set, but a year ago i got to within one card. Ted Kluzewski. I don't know what ol' Ted did to deserve it, but he was obviously a short print. I couldn't find the card at any price. Finally, a couple weeks ago, I found Ted on ebay. I was going to traveling so i bid three times the SCD value of the card. Someone out bid me. I was crushed. Three days later another Ted came up on ebay. 5years I've been hunting and the card come up for auction twice in two weeks. This time I bid 4 times the SCD value, but there was little interest other than me and a very polite Lorin Anderson, who wanted the card but didn't bid, and I got ol' Ted for a reasonable $21.00. He arrived today !!! I COMPLETEDTHE 55 TOPPS DOUBLE HEADER SET!!! I still can't believe it. Ya'll need tocome on over and see it ..it is soooo cool. Sorry, I couldn't help myself. - Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Return-Path: < Received: from rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (rly-yb04.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.4]) air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILINYB47-0219211453; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:14:53 -0500 Received: from n28.groups.yahoo.com (n28.groups.yahoo.com [216.115.96.78]) by rly-yb04.mx.aol.com (v83.35) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB44-0219211430; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:14:30 -0500 Received: from [216.115.97.189] by n28.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Feb 2002 02:12:04 -0000 X-Sender: TraderDoug@aol.com X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_2); 20 Feb 2002 02:12:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 66625 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Feb 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m07.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.162) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2002 02:12:01 -0000 Received: from TraderDoug@aol.com by imo-m07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id r.197.2892cac (14376) for ; Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:53 -0500 Message-ID: <197.2892cac.29a45fe9@aol.com> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: Traderdoug@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 21:11:53 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FINALLY ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 70 poster hdden on Ebay Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:38:44 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Anyone looking for a 70 topps poster of Rod Carew? poor listing and low opening bid... Big Al in Seattle http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1806897468 Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 10:59:50 EST Subject: Almost over To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - As I type this I have five more days left on my detail at the Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. Actually I have been working in Salt Lake City at the International Airport and staying in Park City at the Canyons Resort. Don't ask me how U.S. Customs managed to put me up at this very nice resort, the same place the Today show is broadcasting live from every day of the While I have been very busy working many 12 hour days and little time off I must say that Salt Lake City has done an excellent job putting on this excellent show! I did manage to get one day off and attend my first Olympic event! On Saturday two friends and I managed to purchase excellent tickets to the short-track speed skating event! We were lucky enough to have a luxury box at center ice for all 25 races including Apolo Ohno's incredible silver medal race and crash! It was a wonderful event and I think we actually picked the right event to attend if we cannot attend any more while we are here. I am afraid I have added to my collection addiction with Olympic pins! It seems the Customs pins we have been handing out are a hot items and I have managed to trade for a lot of neat pins! One of the regrets I have is not meeting Marshall and others that may be in or around the Salt Lake area during the Olympics! We still have time to get together, so please call me at my hotel or on my cell phone: Grand Summit Resort (435) 615-8040 Room 147 Cell Phone (510) 378-4666 I normally get to work at the International Terminal at around 12 Noon and hope to get off by 8PM. I will try and send another message with my work phone when I arrive at work today I can't remember it right now. Marshall I know you may have sent your phone number(s) to me before I arrived here, however I have misplaced them. Can you please send them again or call me so we can see about getting together? I look forward to hearing from anyone that may be at the Olympics! Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: "Martin Krievs" , Subject: Good News! Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:32:21 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Maureen and I would like to share some great news with you.....After nearly 4 years of trying, we've finally sold our old flat/apartment on Allison Street in Glasgow!! Man, that SOB has been a black hole moneywise recently, and we are glad to be returning to the land of normal, single residence people! In the end, the property was purchased by the local Housing Association, who are organising and partially financing some major compulsory repairs on the building. Their purchase has saved us something in the region of £6000 ($10000) in repair bills over the next year and a half. After this work is completed they will rent the property out. The main thing, though, is that we no longer have this place hanging over our heads. The area in which the flat was located had deteriorated considerably since I bought it in 1990. Lots of drugs, crime, and grime (Most of which were not my doing). There's no way we could have sold this privately without taking a major loss. But the housing association proved to be our saviour, desiring to acquire properties with a view to "improving" the area. Good luck to them! If all goes to plan, in a few months time we will once again become a reasonably normal family, able to make the occasional purchase and go on vacations as and when we desire. I might also be able to indulge in a few baseball card purchases of note......YEEE-HAHH! Had to share this with our friends! Glenn and Maureen Glasgow (not Allison St.), Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 18:38:05 -0500 (EST) To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com (Glenn Codere) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good News! From: Originaleek@webtv.net Congrats to you and your wife, that is good news! I'm dubious regarding the part that most of the drugs, crime and grime were not your doing. I've heard tales. Seriously, I feel better just having read your post, it's what I like about OBC. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 19:59:25 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Almost over To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: GHAY1@aol.com I don't know about anyone else, but I caught a glimpse of Rick on TV in the village whispering something to that French figure skating judge ================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:26:36 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: CoolPix 2/20 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Ozzie Smith THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:06:24 EST Subject: Fwd: phonograph baseball card To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com From: BOBOLYTOM@aol.com Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 20:18:01 EST Subject: phonograph baseball card To: treasurer@oldbaseball.com Dear Sir: I have 20-30 old baseball cards that you play on a record player and it tells a story about a player. I cannot find any information in any books or magazines. Any help with where I can get some information would be Thank you ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Almost over Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 22:00:00 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" >I don't know about anyone else, but I caught a glimpse of Rick on TV in the village whispering >something to that French figure skating judge Probably had something to do with selling out his own team for a cupful of change ================= To: Subject: transograms Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2002 23:56:35 -0800 From: "yaz" Does anyone have any info on 1969 transograms. the BIG book has some individual card prices but a nice lady I have been talking too has a complete box of three figures and cards with Yaz being one of the three. She offered to sell it to me at around whatever price she got for a simiular box she was selling on ebay featuring all mets. It just finished at $139.00, Here's a rough picture and description she sent me yesterday. (I already scanned it if you're leary of opening attatchments) Greg (yaz) I'm sending this picture, but it's pretty awful. I'll try to take some better ones tomorrow, but I'm not sure if you would want these,after all. The ones on e-bay are already at $108.00, which is breath-taking to me. The three guys in that one are not even that famous, although they are part of the amazin' mets. This box has Carl Yastrzemski, Tony Oliva, and Mel Stottlemyre.. It is box number 6812. There are three cards on the back,which seem to be in good shape..the top right of the box is bent a little.The figures are in plastic, on their own little green stands. there is a scene from a baseball stadium behind them.There is a price of 60 cents stamped on the box, and a sticker sale price of 30 cents.Yaz is trying to catch a ball. The box says"American league Series 13. let me know if you are still interested and I'll send more pictures, if I can. Alicia ================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 05:50:09 -0500 (EST) To: 0ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 2/20 From: Neal Thomas For us (relative) youngeters, who are those two studly guys inthe pic? ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Rick & Deb Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] CoolPix 2/20 Date: 02/20/2002 08:26pm Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Ozzie Smith THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: first prewar card ! Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 09:07:03 -0800 From: "John Collins" Happy Thursday all, I picked my lunch break today to make my usual once-a-week stop at Chandy's shop which is about 7 minutes away from where I work downtown. (Sorry Steve, Chandy is still missing in action, and Steve the shopkeeper still can't find any 80-81 bball...) While sorting through the usual stuff, I found some new things to take home in an "all cards $10" case including a '65 Pete Rose for my set and my first prewar card - a 1933 Goudey Jack Russell #167 of the Washington Senators! I don't know what I could have gotten this for on ebay (it is a fine, Tipton mint specimen) but I figured $10 for a 69 year old card wasn't too bad. I certainly don't intend to start a collection of these things, but it is neat just the same! Take care, ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Locker Waiver Update Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:00:28 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Just a quick note - There's still plenty of cards left to be claimed, but all who have written so far will receive some of if not all of the cards they asked for. I'll be mailing them today! Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 05:55:50 +0800 Subject: Brings back fond memories From: " john harrell" Kids...You Have to Love Them! If you have ever had children you will probably relate to this father. As ham sandwiches go, it was perfection. A thick slab of ham, a fresh bun, crisp lettuce and plenty of expensive, light brown, gourmet The corners of my jaw aching in anticipation, I carried it to the picnic table in our backyard, picked it up with both hands but was stopped by my wife suddenly at my side. "Hold Johnny (our six-week-old son) while I get my sandwich," she said. I had him balanced between my left elbow and shoulder and was reaching again for the ham sandwich when I noticed a streak of mustard on my I love mustard. I had no napkin. I licked it off. It was not mustard. No man ever put a baby down faster. It was the first and only time I have sprinted with my tongue protruding. With a washcloth in each hand I did the sort of routine shoeshine boys do, only I did it on my tongue. Later (after she stopped crying from laughing so hard) my wife said, "Now you know why they call that mustard 'Poupon.'" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 06:03:59 +0800 Subject: Election Update From: " john harrell" So far, 61 ballots have been cast and some of teh races are very close. One or two votes will decide a couple of positions so let your voice be heard. We're close to 50 percent voting now and surely we can beat the presidential election percentage. Deadline for voting is 4:00 pm PST this Sunday (Feb. 24). ================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:23:43 EST Subject: OPCs anyone? To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com in honor of a decent showing by the canadians in the olympics, i am making the following o-pee-chee baseball cards available to those who need help finishing their sets. some stars, mostly commons. just let me know what you need, and i will get them off to you as soon as possible. thanks, gary 1970 (vg-ex) 5, 46, 97, 123, 202, 203, 208, 245, 255, 324, 327, 328, 369, 373, 381, 391, 399, 401, 415, 436, 440 1971 (mostly EX - I wish the topps version held up as well) 11, 15, 16, 25, 34, 47, 56, 59, 72, 74, 76, 79, 80, 84, 85, 88, 91, 93, 94, 107, 113, 122, 129, 141, 156, 159, 162, 167, 183, 187, 193, 196, 203, 204, 219, 227, 238, 249, 255, 393 1973 (vg-ex) 151, 329, checklists: cubs, dodgers, expos, giants, pirates, rangers, reds, 1974 (vg) checklists: braves 1978 (vg-ex) 19, 23, 25(2), 33, 35, 36, 43, 44, 59, 69, 102(2), 126, 132, 134(2), 142, 143, 152, 156, 168, 169, 174, 189, 229 1979 (vg-ex or better) 3(2), 13(2), 18, 24, 42, 46, 47, 54, 57, 63, 68, 70, 84, 90, 100, 106, 109, 110, 116, 118, 127, 136, 141(2), 152, 154, 164(2), 165, 168(2), 171, 180, 182, 183, 186, 197, 208, 213, 214, 220(2), 222, 231, 236, 243, 250, 257(2), 265, 269, 272, 274, 280(2), 281, 282(2), 283(2), 284, 287(2), 296, 300, 311, 330, 340, 351, 363, 372 1981 (ex or better) 35, 36, 42, 43, 71, 73(2), 91, 101, 117, 122, 126, 138, 168(2), 185, 199, 209, 236, 239(2), 243, 249, 272, 285, 289, 302, 308(2), 328, 332, 334, 358, ================= To: Subject: Need Some Help Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 18:51:55 -0600 From: "Randy G. Griffin" Hello All: My son is researching the 1994 Winter Olympics. One of his questions is: What did the US Olympic Committee change in 1994 to reward it's athletes? I have searched and searched and cannot find the answer. Would any of you have any idea? I can't remember back that far! Any help appreciated. Problem is, we need it for tomorrow! Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:35:44 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: Down 3 games & came back to win series!/94 Winter Olympics From: keithsummers@webtv.net ANyone remember the answer to the trivia question we discussed on the old list (OBC_RAMBLINGS). About 90 of you are still subscribed & are allowed to research the old messages. One of you was in a trivia contest I believe & sent the questions to the group for help. At least once in one of the 4 major sports, a team was down by 3 games but came back to win the series. Who? My guess was 1975 N.Y. Islanders, which I was told was wrong. If you type in "ISLANDERS" it'll take you near the message with the answer I bet, but I think somebody here will remember the answer. I spent over 20 minutes one night on the web & came up empty :-( Randy, I spent 15 minutes on Google & found nothing in ref to your question. Good luck! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: The $50,000 Baseball Cards Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:24:33 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://www.legendsmagazine.net/29/baseball.htm A very entertaining article by sportswriter Thomas Boswell about finding his childhood card collection. Thought you all might enjoy. Take care, ================= Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 20:45:34 -0600 To: John Collins Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The $50,000 Baseball Cards From: Michael Wierzbicki What a great story! I only wish I could find my old collection. > John Collins wrote: > http://www.legendsmagazine.net/29/baseball.htm > A very entertaining article by sportswriter Thomas Boswell about > finding his childhood card collection. Thought you all might enjoy. > Take care, > John > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > ADVERTISEMENT > [Click Here!] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC condition Kaline RC Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 00:44:36 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" A local dealer has a low grade Kaline RC for $60. I forgot to ask for a scan when I saw the card Monday so I will do that now. If you are interested, let me know. ================= Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 02:04:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: WhoWins.com/Best of 7 stats From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= To: Subject: VCBC and T206 Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 07:38:04 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" 1. Anybody gotten a VCBC mag lately? A month ago or so I remember somebody asked and somebody else said they were shipping that week I think? I don't think I've gotten one for 3-4 months. 2.Seems like a year or more ago I saw a number of ads about an upcoming T206 book that was supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all. The authors were taking pre-orders and testing the waters for b/w vs color interest. Anybody remember that or seen anything lately? For all I know it may be out now. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 02:57:23 +0800 Subject: Ft. Washington From: " john harrell" My 33 Can. Goudey set is down to 42 but hits are getting tough to come by. Seems hardly any are showing up on Ebay these days. It's been 6 months since I saw a 34 Can. Goudey that I could use. If anybody's going to Ft. Washington who'd consider looking for me, I'd be VERY grateful (hint, hint). ================= Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 15:58:18 EST Subject: Fwd: Something For Stevie To: jalose@ride.ri.net, Bulbman60@aol.com, fjb182@adelphia.net, SanBru@aol.com, From: friar4@aol.com From: "Bill Gargano" To: "Karen Charles" Subject: Something For Stevie Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 14:21:55 -0500 Subject: Something for Stevie From: "pmatasavage" To: "JOE MULLIGAN" , "VINCENT TATA" , Subject: Fw: Something For Stevie Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 21:01:57 -0500 ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Steele To: C. & H Magid ; Sherman Beinhorn ; Harris Lifshitz ; Edmund Miller ; Paul Matasavage ; Mark Steele ; Irwin Sitkin ; Karl & Anne Shade ; Susan Reynolds ; Debbie S Kantrowitz ; Steve Holt ; Dorothy Frost ; Alfred fine ; Arthur Director ; Mary Bedard Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Something For Stevie > > >Subject: Something for Stevie > > > > > >(A MUST READ) > > > > > > > I try not to be biased, but I had my doubts about hiring Stevie. His > placement counselor assured me that he would be a good, reliable busboy. > But I had never had a mentally handicapped employee and wasn't sure I > wanted one. I wasn't sure how my Customers would react to Stevie. He was > short, a little dumpy with the smooth facial > features and thick-tongued speech of Down syndrome. > > > > > > > I wasn't worried about most of my trucker customers because truckers don't > generally care who buses tables as long as the meat loaf platter is good > and the pies are homemade. > The four-wheeler drivers were the ones who concerned me; the mouthy > kids traveling to school; the yuppie snobs who secretly polish their > silverware with their napkins for fear of catching some dreaded "truck > germ"; the pairs of white > shirted business men on expense accounts who think every truck stop > waitress wants to be flirted with. I knew those people would be > uncomfortable around Stevie > so I closely watched him for the first few weeks. I shouldn't have > After the first week, Stevie had my staff wrapped around his stubby little > finger, and within a month my truck regulars had adopted him as their > official truck stop mascot. After that, I really didn't care what the rest > of the customer's thought of him. > He was like a 21-year-old in blue jeans and Nikes, eager to laugh and > to please, but fierce in his attention to his duties. Every salt and > shaker was exactly in its place, not a bread crumb or coffee spill was > visible when Stevie got done > with the table. Our problem was persuading him to wait to clean a table > until after the customers were finished. > He would hover in the background, shifting his weight from one foot to the > other, scanning the dining room until a table was empty. Then he would > scurry to the empty table and carefully bus dishes and glasses onto his > cart and meticulously wipe the > table up with a practiced flourish of his rag. If he thought a customer > watching, his brow would pucker with added concentration. He took pride in > doing his job > exactly right, and you had to love how hard he tried to please each and > every > person he met. > Over time, we learned that he lived with his mother, a widow who was > disabled after repeated surgeries for cancer. They lived on their Social > Security benefits in public housing two miles from the truck stop. > The Social worker, which stopped to check on him every so often, admitted > they had fallen between the cracks. Money was tight, and what I paid him > was probably the difference between them being able to live together and > Stevie being sent to a group > home. That's why the restaurant was a gloomy place that morning last > August, the first morning in three years that Stevie missed work. > He was at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester getting a new valve or something > in his heart. His social worker said that people with Down syndrome often > had heart problems at an early age so this wasn't unexpected, and there > a good chance he would come through the surgery in good shape and be back > at work in a few months. > A ripple of excitement ran through the staff later that morning when word > came that he was out of surgery, in recovery and doing fine. > Frannie, my head waitress, let out a war hoop and did a little dance in > aisle when she heard the good news. > Belle Ringer, one of our regular trucker customers, stared at the sight of > the 50-year-old grandmother of four doing a victory shimmy beside his > table. Frannie blushed, smoothed her apron and shot Belle Ringer a > withering look. He grinned. "OK, Frannie, what was that all about?" he > asked. "We just got word that Stevie is out of surgery and going to be > okay." "I was wondering where he was. I had a new joke to tell him. > What was the surgery about?" Frannie quickly told Belle Ringer and the > other two drivers sitting at his booth about Stevie's surgery, then > "Yeah, I'm glad he is going to be OK," she said. "But I don't know how he > and his Mom are going to handle all the bills. > >From what I hear, they're barely getting by as it is." > Belle Ringer nodded thoughtfully, and Frannie hurried off to wait on the > rest of her tables. > Since I hadn't had time to round up a busboy to replace Steve and really > didn't want to replace him, the girls were busing their own tables that > until we decided what to do. > After the morning rush, Frannie walked into my office. She had a couple of > paper napkins in her hand a funny look on her face. > "What's up?" I asked. "I didn't get that table where Belle Ringer and his > friends were sitting cleared off after they left, and Pony Pete and Tony > Tipper were sitting there when I got back to clean it off" she said. "This > was folded and tucked under a coffee > cup. > "She handed the napkin to me, and three $20 bills fell onto my desk when I > opened it. On the outside, in big, bold letters, was printed "Something > Stevie." "Pony Pete asked me what that was all about," she said, "so I > him about Stevie and his Mom and everything, and Pete looked at Tony and > Tony looked at Pete, and they ended up giving me this." She handed me > another paper napkin that had "Something For Stevie" scrawled on its > outside. Two $50 bills were tucked within its folds. > Frannie looked at me with wet, shiny eyes, shook her head and said simply > "truckers." > That was three months ago. Today is Thanksgiving, the first day Stevie is > supposed to be back to work. His placement worker said he's been counting > the days until the doctor said he could work, and it didn't matter at all > that it was a holiday. He called 10 times in the past week, making sure we > knew he was coming, fearful that we had forgotten him or that his job was > in jeopardy. I arranged to have his mother bring him to work, met them in > the parking lot and invited them both to celebrate his day back. > Stevie was thinner and paler, but couldn't stop grinning as he pushed > through the doors and headed for the back room where his apron and busing > cart were waiting. > "Hold up there, Stevie, not so fast," I said. I took him and his mother by > their arms. "Work can wait for a minute. To celebrate you coming back, > breakfast for you and your mother are on me. > "I led them toward a large corner booth at the rear of the room. I could > feel and hear the rest of the staff following behind as we marched through > the dining room. > Glancing over my shoulder, I saw booth after booth of grinning truckers > empty and join the procession. We stopped in front of the big table. Its > surface was covered with coffee cups, saucers and dinner plates, all > sitting slightly crooked on dozens of folded paper napkins. > "First thing you have to do, Steve, is clean up this mess," I said. I > to sound stern. Stevie looked at me, and then at his mother, then pulled > out one of the napkins. It had "Something for Stevie" printed on the > outside. As he picked it up, two $10 bills fell onto the table. Stevie > stared at the money, then at all the napkins peeking from beneath the > tableware, each with his name printed or scrawled on it. > I turned to his mother. "There's more than $10,000 in cash and checks on > that table, all from truckers and trucking companies that heard about your > problems. Happy Thanksgiving. "Well, it got real noisy about that time, > with everybody hollering and shouting, and there were a few tears, as > But you know what's funny? While everybody else was busy shaking hands and > hugging each other, Stevie, with a big, big smile on his face, was busy > clearing all the cups and dishes from the table. Best worker I ever hired. > > > > > > > You now have two choices: > 1 . Delete this and pretend it didn't touch your heart as it did mine. > 2. Forward this to everyone you know. It's your call!!! ================= Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 23:18:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Explanation for not keeping up From: "mikesportsfan" My sincere apologies for not keeping up to date with my posts, my wantlists and not getting appropriate thanks out in the way of packages in a more timely manner. Another 5 or so packages went in today's mail after a few SCP went out earlier this week. Unfortunately for much of the year to date, I have had a flare up of a medical condition I have. Thankfully it is not life threatening, but it is life affecting. Translation, I am often chained to the house and not able to go out. I have missed more time at work then I have in 10 years. I do not have a computer hooked up at home, so I could not even work on my cards, read my E-mail, etc. After arguments and problems with my health insurance I am now scheduled to go in the hopspital March 7 for more tests. I will be out of work the 6th and 7th. On the 6th I have to "prep" myself for the tests and will be confined to the house. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny when the dr. tells me that I do NOT CURRENTLY have cancer, but that I should expect to test positive for it at some point. That I have all of the characteristics. So I am pre-cancerous. Due to the health problems I was unable to even go to Toronto last weekend for my sister's 40th birthday. I actually wanted to go for the party, plus hook up with Carlos and hit some card stores there with my US money. So you know I have been under the weather when I miss going for cards. I am still fortunate that I am healthier than a lot of folks and am not looking for sympathy. Just be patient if I owe you a return package. They will get there eventually. Thanks to all who have sent cards, coins, stamps, caps, posters, etc. As many other OBCers have said before, a little cardboard can brighten an otherwise dreary day. Be well. Mike Rich ================= To: Subject: Transograms again Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 19:49:37 -0800 From: "yaz" The lady I have been in contact with about the box of three (1970, not 1969) transograms featuring Yaz, Stottlemyre and Oliva also has two other tree-pack boxes for sale. One is the Rose/Mays/Cleon Jones and the other is the Marichal/Banks/Torre. The second is missing the Torre figure who ended up on a birthday cake some years before but the cards are still on the box. She hasn't named a price yet but will sell them before putting them on ebay if someone is interested. Let me know if interested and I'll give the email address so you can negotiate with her. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:58:27 EST Subject: Need help with 25000 UV cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Hello gang. Just from the subject line I am sure you can see my delimma. To start with, something slighlty more constructive than "burn them" would be of some help :) For some reasons people give me cards. Sometimes it works out great like it did last year when a guy that collected JUST stars and Hi numbers gave me his collection. Most of the time it works out terribly. People that were going to retire by purchasing cases of 1991 topps. Over the last 15 years I have managed to aquire about 25000 cards that mean NOTHING to me. The late 80's stuff no one likes (although I liked the style of the 87 set) Early 90's. Companies I have never collected (or in some cases even heard of, like Zenith??? I thought that was a TV company) I have given out about 10, 000 of them at the hospital to little kids. DO ANY OF YOU WANT THIS STUFF? Most of these cards are the kind of cards you get when you buy a "100 CARDS - 1955-1995 " ebay lot. Lots of Eric Show, Biff Pocaroba and Eric Plunk cards from the late 80's and early 90's. I have already made a bunch of sets out of them so that I have one of each, however that leaves me with about 25000 commons from the darkest days. In other words, I feel like all 25000 and about $10 will get me a low grade E-90 Anyone? Anything? I could fit my collection in a nice tidy closet if it wasn't for all of this stuff. It is time to do SOMETHING with it. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: ebay id "old-baseball" Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 20:54:13 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Is this one of us? I want to bid against this person but not if he's in OBC. If he isn't, SUE! Don't we have rights to this? hahahaha ================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 00:43:14 EST Subject: Re: Pilots stamps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com I may be a little late on this one, but Al's mystery stamps look like they come from the dell books to me. the 1971 dell books. it's typical e-bay bs. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:29:53 EST Subject: Ruth Question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Does anybody know what a 1933 Goudey Ruth books for? ================= To: Subject: Change of address Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 10:40:50 -0500 From: "GEORGE MOORE" To those who may help: My email address has changed from gamoore5489@home.com to Would the person(s) who can change this where it is needed please do so. Thank you, George Moore (TigersGAM) ================= Subject: To the beach! Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:22:13 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Hey all, I leave for the Virgin Islands tomorrow morning, so my email access depends on finding a cable long enough to reach the beach (as if!). Thus, I'll be largely silent until I return March 5th. Talk to you later! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:54:30 EST Subject: 02...wedding,rooms, baseball and golf To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, JCERU8600@aol.com From: topgolf@aol.com Some info on V02: The wedding.... Rick and Margaret are getting married on Sunday at the Flamingo. Following the wedding there will be a reception in the penthouse at the Frontier. The rooms.... Margaret has obtained a great rate at the Frontier, $59 weekend / $49 weekday for a mini suite, and $10 less for a regular room. You can contact her directly at Mkramerellison@aol.com or call her at 1-800-272-2155 ext. 2718 Tickets..... I need to get a final count of baseball game ticket needs. The game is Saturday night and, as in the past, will be a fireworks night. I also think we get a hat. (...did you get a bowl of soup when you bought that hat? ...R. Dangerfield, Caddyshack). Golf.....I need a count of those who are going to play golf (Saturday morning) and whether or not you will need rental clubs. Please be advised that all participants in the golf must attend a mandatory "excuse breakfast" prior to tee off. As is stated in the rule book (you can look it up) any medical excuse must be accompanied by appropriate X-rays or a written note from your doctor. Rest Well, ================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 12:25:23 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Kahn's Checklists? From: Dan Austin Can anyone help me with checklists for all of the Kahn's set? I think they run from 1955-1969. If you have checklists for these, or if you have access to the Beckett online checklist and can construct these for me, I would appreciate it. I'll toss them up on the website once I have them put Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 13:24:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help with 25000 UV cards To: t206guy@aol.com From: Mark S Talbot Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Well Mark,

    This is a dilemma, the shipping cost alone is not worth sending them anywhere for the cards are "worthless" to most.  But I recently donated about 10,000 of those `88 - `92 "gems" to my local library.   They sell many used books to raise revenue so they simply bundled my offering in stacks of 50 cards and have sold them quite successfully to raise additional revenue for the library.  You might consider making a donation of this type in your own community.  You get additional closet space, the organization benefits from the sale and some kid has a giant grin from this newly acquired treasure.  It's a win-win-win situation.  Just some random thoughts Mark - Good Luck!!!  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
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t206guy@aol.com wrote:

 Hello

Just from the subject line I am sure you can see my delimma.  To start with, something slighlty more constructive than "burn them" would be of some help :)

For some reasons people give me cards.  Sometimes it works out great like it did last year when a guy that collected JUST stars and Hi numbers gave me his collection.  Most of the time it works out terribly. People that were going to retire by purchasing cases of 1991 topps.

Over the last 15 years I have managed to aquire about 25000 cards that mean NOTHING to me.   The late 80's stuff no one likes (although I liked the style of the 87 set) Early 90's.  Companies I have never collected (or in some cases even heard of, like Zenith??? I thought that was a TV company)

I have given out about 10, 000 of them at the hospital to little kids.

DO ANY OF YOU WANT THIS STUFF?  Most of these cards are the kind of cards you get when you buy a   "100 CARDS - 1955-1995  " ebay lot.  Lots of Eric Show, Biff Pocaroba and Eric Plunk cards from the late 80's and early 90's.   I have already made a bunch of sets out of them so that I have one of each, however that leaves me with about 25000 commons from the darkest days.  In other words, I feel like all 25000 and about $10 will get me a low grade E-90 common.

Anyone?  Anything?

I could fit my collection in a nice tidy closet if it wasn't for all of this stuff. It is time to do SOMETHING with it.

Ideas?
Mark
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================= Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:22:13 EST Subject: Next time I'll let the machine pick up To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, A couple days ago, I was sitting around the house getting ready to take a nap. The phone rang and it happened to be a good collecting buddy of mine. He was at a nearby card shop and was all excited about these T206's that were really beat up and cheap. I tried to get details from him over the phone, but all I got was "There's a Cy Young, Walter Johnson and a few other HOF'ers here. You gotta come up and look at them!" I had made a purchase at this shop once previously - a shoebox full of (tipton) mostly early/mid 50's cards for about $1 each. (In the box was a 53 Paige and Berra among others). So I put off going to sleep for another hour or two and headed up there right away. The ride to the shop is about 15 minutes, most of which were spent thinking about the DOZENS of potential tobacco cards I'd discover for a fraction of book. When I arrived, there were indeed a bunch of T206's in the showcase, but most of them were about VG or so... and the small pile of tiptonized tobacco cards had dwindled to about ten or fifteen cards, all in hard plastic screwdowns... not the kind of 'find' I was anticipating by any means. On top of that, my friend had already bought the Walter Johnson and one other HOF'er that were both graded PSA 1's. (These were also the only two that were professionally graded). That left just ONE card that I'd even consider looking at - a Cy Young that had multiple creases and rounded corners... surely this was the only card I could hope to get for 10%. The dealer had a pair of price tags of on the card. One had the high Buckett price of $1000 and the other was his 'sale' price of $200, but he informed me that he'd be willing to take $150 for it. After a few comments to my friend outside the shop, I left with my big purchase - (a box from a set released this month plus) a tipton 1933 Goudey #44 Bottomley for $10. I think I was fortunate that the dealer was distracted by a phone call when he was getting the price on it. I'm putting it into the 'Dealer Scum' pile if anyone wants it for ten bucks - but please e-mail me. I'm taking the phone off the hook for a while. :-) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:23:26 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help with 25000 UV cards To: talbot1@comcast.net, T206Guy@aol.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 2/23/2002 1:06:49 PM Central Standard Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: << You might consider making a donation of this type in your own community. You get additional closet space, the organization benefits from the sale and some kid has a giant grin from this newly acquired treasure. It's a win-win-win situation. >> And you get a tax deduction if you itemize. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help with 25000 UV cards Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:29:29 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" >And you get a tax deduction if you itemize. - Doug You mean the High Buckett price might actually be a good thing? Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:43:36 EST Subject: OBC Mini Reunion To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Had a great time tonight at the Fuddruckers in Burbank with Geno Wagner (and family), Peter Iverson, Josh Levine and friend Mike, and Linda and Tim Fitak. Tim took me to the local card shop earlier ..the bid board is a new concept for this Texan. Every OBC mini is a meeting of old friends, even when its old friends you've never met in person. This one was certainly like that. We handed each other cards we'd already found for each, then pawed through each other's dups boxes, all the while talking about baseball, family, and OBC. I have to admit I'm not exactly sure where all the cards I got came from, but I know the 49 Bowman, the 2 newer mathewson's, the 73 checklist, and the red heart Pierce came from Linda and Tim, the 2 73 high numbers came from Peter along with the 2 66's I think, the "Cubs Fans little book of Wisdom" came from Geno, and Bruce Sutter, Kevin Wickander, and Nick Esasky came from Geno's son Nickolas. And if I didn;t get all that right, you know who you are and know I appreciate all of them. Most of all I appreciate the opportunity to get together with new friends and old. OBC is a unique group and we are all very fortunate to be part of it. - Doug ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:52:44 -0800 Subject: 1962 Sporting News From: Peter Iversen Now I finally what was going on when i was 9 years old...!!! After several late night sessions I have managed to finish reading Grant's Sporting News. Except for the two page Football section I read the thing from cover to cover - including the articles about the American Legion baseball and the Minor Leagues and box scores. I scanned the box scores for players that would come to the majors and read about the phenoms who didn't hold it together long enough to make it. There is a great article on Gaylord Perry in the minors and many others I recognized are mentioned including Pete Rose and Willie Stargell. Many OBCers favorites are mentioned and written up - including: Trinados, Callison, Maxwell (in passing), Tresh and Don Hoak (trade bait..??) and many others - also Johnny Temple's trade to the 45's, The Mets DP combo of Charlie Neal and Ron Kanehl, Calude Raymond Braves bull pen ace and Ken Hubbs embarking on his record setting errorless innings. The first article that caught my eye was on the back page - it occurred to me that I wouldn't have given it a second glance if I read the magazine in 1962 because would have had no idea who the players were. It was about the oldest players in a Major League game - Altrock, Quinn, Brouthers, Arlie Latham, Bobo Newsome and Big Jim O'Rourke. From my T card and other set collecting and baseball reading in the past 10 years I have become very familiar with these names as I know that many of you are - it was great to read their stories.. There is also a lot about the Cards and Busch's angry comments about how badly the team was playing and who's head may be on the block. He says he'll trade all except Musial and Flood. There is a neat squib about Frank Thomas winning a $10.00 bet from Willie Mays by catching his hardest throw bare handed - and then how he lost the same bet against Reds batting practice pitcher Ray Shore. But the best part by far brought back a vivid memory of the '62 season. It was the series in SF that began the Dodgers down slide that eventually put them in a tie with the Giants for the Pennant and subsequently they lost the playoff and the pennant. I remember hearing about how the Giants watered the field (especially around first base) to keep the Dodgers from running. The articles give a great account of the arguments and antics that came out of that action. Including having to dump a bunch of sand at first to soak up the water and Maury Wills (on his way to beating Cobbs record with 104 steals) being thrown out of a game for throwing mud at the Giant's second baseman. I feel after reading these I really know what happened and it is not just a childhood memory in vague details. No wonder the Dodgers and Giant's are still feuding. I would love to find the paper from around the time when Marichal hit Roseboro over the head with a bat..! Koufax was hurt so there was not much written about him - but there was an article about Drysdale. I was hoping to read more about Wills but the game in the swamp precluded an article about his base stealing that week. There is so much more - but I will stop there. I hope all of you have a chance to read this (and that the magazine holds up until it gets around. I am sending the magazine back into Canada for a spell - if you want to add your name to the list of recipients let me know and I will do so before I ship it off on Monday... Thanks to Grant for this great chance to read. renew old memories and to build some new ones. I am shot full of '1962 nostalgia' and ready to embark on even more mad adventures...! And here I thought after I finished the '62 Topps set - there would be nothing left to imagine, no reason to go on collecting, nothing left to do... More about that later. ================= To: Traderdoug@aol.com Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 23:12:22 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Mini Reunion From: Peter Iversen I echo Doug's sentiments - it was great to meet him after having missed a meeting this summer (by my own lack of retention). The time is never long enough when we get together - but we got to chat some about life and a lot about old cards. Geno's son Nicholas (or is it Nikolas..?) was wonderful to me - handing over a couple of great Dodger cards and some 72's I needed that Geno had found for me. I think that Nicholas is a 'lawn mower salesman" in the making and it won't be long before he is out there collecting impossible cards in creative ways. It was good to meet Josh's friend Mike in person after sending a few 71's his way - I will look forward to getting to know him better in Vegas - and I also look forward to watching Josh have another great craps roll there (so I can bet on him and win again!). It was good to see Tim and Linda again - they live so close but I have only seen them at the OBC gatherings or around our favorite dealer at a local card show. I will have to make it to your Wednesday night Karoke show Linda. Tim was trying to hand me every other card in his box and I came out with a great (and hard to find) 61 Bell Brand of Jr. Gilliam and also a 51B Horizontal of Stan Rojek - Linda handed me a great Van Lingle Mungo oddball that is going into that collection. Doug found a beautiful 1955 Bowman card for me and 3 71 Topps including a Frank Robinson! Great to get that high numbered card! Thanks Doug! All in all the cards are great - but the camaraderie is even better. Also the hamburger wasn't bad... Thanks to all of you for the cards and the time...! On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:43:36 EST Traderdoug@aol.com writes: > Had a great time tonight at the Fuddruckers in Burbank with Geno > Wagner (and > family), Peter Iverson, Josh Levine and friend Mike, and Linda and > Tim Fitak. > Tim took me to the local card shop earlier ..the bid board is a new > concept > for this Texan. Every OBC mini is a meeting of old friends, even > when its > old friends you've never met in person. This one was certainly like > that. > We handed each other cards we'd already found for each, then pawed > through > each other's dups boxes, all the while talking about baseball, > family, and > OBC. I have to admit I'm not exactly sure where all the cards I got > came > from, but I know the 49 Bowman, the 2 newer mathewson's, the 73 > checklist, > and the red heart Pierce came from Linda and Tim, the 2 73 high > numbers came > from Peter along with the 2 66's I think, the "Cubs Fans little book > of > Wisdom" came from Geno, and Bruce Sutter, Kevin Wickander, and Nick > Esasky > came from Geno's son Nickolas. And if I didn;t get all that right, > you know > who you are and know I appreciate all of them. Most of all I > appreciate the > opportunity to get together with new friends and old. OBC is a > unique group > and we are all very fortunate to be part of it. - Doug > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Sad news for Jim Wiehe Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:16:07 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: How are things? > Hi Steve... I'm still up at my folks' place. Unfortunately, Mom passed away yesterday morning at 8:45 a.m. While it's really difficult, she was in so much discomfort for the past several months that it is, in some small way, a relief to know that she's no longer suffering. All in all, my dad is doing pretty darn well. We've got a memorial service set up for next Saturday at 1:00. She was a very special woman and will be missed by many friends and family. I'm tentatively planning on returning to Omaha a week from tomorrow. I think my dad will join us. > Take care and thanks for your thoughts and kindness... > ..Jim > P.S., If you could please share this news with folks from the group, it would be appreciated. I'm not trying to ignore any trades/e-mails, but simply don't have much access or time right now. Thanks... ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 14:18:50 EST Subject: Wantlist Creation Help To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com A year or so ago, someone had put out a form numbering 1-800 or so that we could download and copy to help check off numbers and assist in creating our wantlists. Does anyone have it handy? I would appreciate the help....Joel ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:07:43 -0500 To: Glk@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist Creation Help From: Dan Austin It can be found at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/funstuff/numbers.html At 02:18 PM 2/24/02, Glk@aol.com wrote: >A year or so ago, someone had put out a form numbering 1-800 or so that we >could download and copy to help check off numbers and assist in creating our >wantlists. Does anyone have it handy? I would appreciate the help....Joel ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Congrats to our neighbors Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 15:35:00 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" ...to the north, eh? Great game. If the US couldn't win, I'm glad it was Canada. Unfortunately, due to the exchange rate, the gold medal is only worth a bronze! :) ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:50:16 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Congrats to Grant, Carlos, Don, and any Canadian OBCers I missed for well deserved Gold Medals in both men & womens hockey. In spite of my disappointment that the US lost today, some of the sting was taken out by the joy of some class acts like Sakic, Yzerman, and Lemieux on the ice and Gretzky off it! We keep what we give away! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC quality '58 Mantle Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:33:56 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1807976094 Appears to have been trimmed and has a few creases, but still looks nice. Would be ideal for anyone working on a '58 set in the normal OBC condition. John C. Collins ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:04:17 -0500 (EST) To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad news for Jim Wiehe From: Originaleek@webtv.net Anybody know Jim's Mom's name? I'd like to put her on the prayer board at work tomorrow. We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: Wow! Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:13:53 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" First, congrats to the U.S. team...they played their hearts out, and with a couple of bounces their way, the end result could have been different. It was scary for a while! Nice to see the "thuggery" that prevails in the NHL was for the most part absent during the Olympics. More like pure hockey, and just great entertainment. It's only been 50 years since out last Gold, so I guess we were due. The party is ON up here! Can't wait to hear from Steve R. about our "side bet." ================= Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:05:15 EST Subject: Need Olympic women's gold medal game tape ! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Got back from a great visit to Utah, had a great time staying with Marshall and his family, and many great stories to share from this game and others after I get some rest and recover ! Anyway, does anyone have this game on tape ? I'd love to have one, and could try a VCR-VCR copy (has anyone tried to see if these copies come out decent ?) And LMK if you saw a guy in teal in the stands behind the player's bench at any of the Wedneday 2/20 quarterfinals men's games at the E Center. Thanks ! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I'm baaaaccckkkk...kinda Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:13:08 From: "Brad Chambers" Met my fourth OBCer yesterday- John (Bama) Harrell. We met halfway at the Auburn Mall (lots of orange in Auburn but the wrong shade for a Tennessee boy like me). And John added to my packing responsibilities by loading me down with about 50 cards, including a major starter set from the 70 Fleer World Series set, along with a Goudey and a T205 and lots of 71s and 72s. John joins that big "I Owe a Lot" list. Also got a card a few weeks ago from STeve Rittenburg- taking off my very short 67 Football Set. Thanks to both of you guys. I'll be moving back to Tennessee end of the week, then plan to become re-involved closer to where I used to be. I know I've been more than slightly inactive, but hope that changes soon. Thanks to Bama and everyone in OBC. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:28:50 EST Subject: congratulations To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com I would like to thank you for the outstanding job you and your fellow government employees performed in giving the world a safe and enjoyable 17 days of Olympic competition. I can only imagine how difficult and tedious the work was. Hope to hear about your experiences. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:52:15 +0800 Subject: Met another OBCer From: " john harrell" Brad Chambers becomes the 15th OBCer I've met in person. We got together this past Sunday in Auburn, about halfway between his and my houses. As always it's like meeting an old friend whom you haven't seen in years and, like old friends getting together, the best part is sharing stories. The highlight for me, besides just meeting Brad, was hearing his Jim Montgomery story. For those in the group who weren't around when Jim was in, he was a special kind of guy, always plastering people with cards (spectacular cards) and doing lots of things behind the scenes to keep the group going, financially and otherwise. Although I never met Jim, he had an ultrafabulous collection, a sort of Barry Halper type collection. Brad got to see part of it and his story is one to make your tongue hang out. Jim collected the most exclusive types of cards, obscure sets and ultra rare pieces of memorabilia. Occasionally the group would call for a pool of money and a person would be designated to go to a show and buy 1 or 2 cards for Jim for his collection. The way Brad's eyes lit up when he was telling me about the collection, it must have been something. Brad and I spent a couple of hours swapping yarns and just enjoying each others company before heading home. Now that he is moving back to Tenn. (Cookeville) it tells me it's time for a visit north. Mark Atnip is in Brad's vicinity so Mark, get the beverages cold cause it's gonna happen. Got to stop this Morgantiism before I run out of words. Oops!! almost forgot. I picked up a low grade 34 Gehrig last night to finish that set. That purchase also will finish most of my card expenditures for the forseeable future (at least a few days). ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:01:51 +0800 Subject: Forgot something From: " john harrell" Forgot to tell you that I didn't leave Auburn emptyhanded. Brad gave me a stunning Columbus Red Sticks baseball cap and a very nice Columbus golf shirt. The shirt I will wear proudly but the cap goes on the shelf with my other OBC memorabilia. Thanks Brad. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:48:48 +0800 Subject: Election results From: " john harrell" We had 72 ballots cast which makes me feel pretty good about the election. The vote counts were extremely close in several cases. I'm going to give you the facilitator results and then the top seven vote getters followed by the 8th person (alternate who becomes a voting member should one resign or be unable to fufill their term). The results of the balloting are as follows: Facilitator: Mike Hair Voting Members: (Top seven vote getters not in order of votes received but alphabetically) Bob D'Angleo David Kolenda Howard Morgan Ken Morganti Steve Rittenberg Doug Smith Geno Wagner Alternate (8th most votes) Spkie Glidden ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: A Proposal........ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:21:44 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" I've been thinking for sometime about resurrecting an idea that some of the "older" members of OBC came up with a number of years back. Would anyone be interested in taking part in a project to produce an updated OBC Baseball Card Set? I've been going over this in my mind for some weeks now, and whatever way you turn it, it would be a pretty big project. There are, I believe, considerably more OBCers around now compared to the first time this was done. There are questions of design, gathering and compiling photos and information on everyone, looking at and costing out printing options, and funding. Technology has also moved on somewhat in recent years, which means that it should in theory not be too difficult to put this together. I would imagine that it would take a team of 4 or 5 people to carry this project through. I see the jobs breaking down like this: 1)Design of cards/collation of photos and info/Preparation for printing (I'd be prepared to take this role on) 2)Tracking down and dealing with printing company - get costs, delivery times, samples, etc. 3)Finance - collecting necessary funding from all those taking part/Payment 4)Receipt, packaging and dispatch of finished product (It may be that the printers could do packaging too) Ideally, I'd like the cards to be packaged up - 10 or 12 cards per pack. If, say, 100 OBCers took part (THAT'S optimistic!), I'd like to guarantee each person 10-15 packs + 20-30 of their own card. This way, in order to complete the set, we'd all need to do what we all love doing - trade with other I have all kinds of other ideas floating around in my head - subsets, etc. Maybe some of you would feel inclined to donate a few interesting cards (a '52 Mantle?) which could be randomly inserted into packs! I have absolutely NO idea what we are talking about cost wise. I'm going to have a word with the guy that does all the printing for my work, just to see if I can't get a ballpark figure. I'd hope to keep the cost as low as possible, but in order to make this work, I'd need to know just how many people are interested, and how much they would be prepared to pay for this project. I'm going to put together a questionnaire to find out just what of response there is to this proposal. Look for it coming through soon, and send it back to me as soon as you can. I don't think this would be worth doing unless we can get an appreciable number of members on board (60-70% of the membership?), so let your interest be known, and take the time to fill in and return the questionnaire when you get it. I'd also love to hear from anyone who'd be interested in being "on the team" for this project - in particular anyone who may have some useful contacts in the printing world. I'd especially love to hear from anyone who was involved in the first card set project, who might be able to share their wisdom.... I believe this could be a project which would be a lot of fun for those who would like to take part. So, what do you think? Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Questionnaire Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:21:46 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" OBC Card Set Project Questionnaire Questions (Please fill in answers below): 1) Would you like to participate in the project? (Yes/No) 2) If yes, how much (maximum) would you be prepared to pay towards costs - a)Less than $10, b)$10-$20, c)$20-$30 (Note: I believe this project wouldn't be viable if costs run higher than $30 per person - the aim would be to produce a quality product at as low a cost as possible) 3) Would you be interested in being an active member of the project team? 4) If yes, is there a particular activity you would like to take on? Your Answers ================= To: Subject: Little Rock, anyone? Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 13:36:40 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- I'm going to be in Little Rock, AR for about three weeks starting next week. Is anybody close to the Rock that might want to get together for a couple of cold ones and maybe a little cardboard? Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:53:39 EST Subject: Wow! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com For those of you who may be looking for what may be the ultimate web location for trading card organization and evaluation, you might want to check out the http://www.reallegends.com/baseball/index.html?/lhtml/baseball/browse/cards/in ================= To: Subject: National in Chicago Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:19:59 -0800 From: "yaz" Wade and I, (my son), have decided to go to the National in Chicago again this year. We met a lot of cool OBCers there last time and though rushed for time, (7 hour drive there and 7 hours back in one day only left a little time for the show), we still had a great time. This time I've arranged for some time off from work so we'll spend a couple of nights there, (Friday & Saturday) and drive back Sunday. I'm going to look into Hotel reservations in the next week or two so if anyone has any info or ideas they would like to share or if anyone from our neck of the woods or north or south of us would like to split the driving with me let me know. Greg (yaz) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 19:29:04 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Guys - got this from a friend of mine at Andrews AFB - you never know - oneof you may have seen her... LMK if the picture didn't get through http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm Subject: Please Look at picture and forward! To All: We have a store manager from Longs, S C who has a 9 year old daughter that has been missing for 2 weeks. Keep the picture moving on. With luck on her side she will be found. - Peggy I am asking you all, begging you to please, forward this email onto anyone and everyone you know, PLEASE. My 9 year old girl, Penny Brown, is missing. She has been missing for now two weeks. It is still not too late. Please help us. If anyone anywhere knows anything, sees anything, please contact me at mailto: zicozicozico@hotmail.com I am including a picture of her. All prayers are appreciated!! It only takes 2 seconds to forward this on, if it was your child, you would want all the help you could get. Please. Thank you for your kindness, hopefully you can help us. ================= To: , "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCBC and T206 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:43:26 -0500 From: "galtemos" I am in the same boat. In the last issue, the new publisher mentioned that his wife passed away. Maybe that has something to do with it. From: Chuck Paris To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] VCBC and T206 Date: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:38 AM 1. Anybody gotten a VCBC mag lately? A month ago or so I remember somebody asked and somebody else said they were shipping that week I think? I don't think I've gotten one for 3-4 months. 2.Seems like a year or more ago I saw a number of ads about an upcoming T206 book that was supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all. The authors were taking pre-orders and testing the waters for b/w vs color interest. Anybody remember that or seen anything lately? For all I know it may be out now. ================= To: "Ramblings (OBC)" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:14:30 -0500 From: "galtemos" According to my son, who is an expert in these things, the missing girl is a hoax. For further details, go to the following: http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/children/penny.htm From: Geordie Calvert To: Ramblings (OBC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 10:29 PM Guys - got this from a friend of mine at Andrews AFB - you never know - one of you may have seen her... LMK if the picture didn't get through http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm Subject: Please Look at picture and forward! To All: We have a store manager from Longs, S C who has a 9 year old daughter that has been missing for 2 weeks. Keep the picture moving on. With luck on her side she will be found. I am asking you all, begging you to please, forward this email onto anyone and everyone you know, PLEASE. My 9 year old girl, Penny Brown, is missing. She has been missing for now two weeks. It is still not too late. Please help us. If anyone anywhere knows anything, sees anything, please contact me at mailto: zicozicozico@hotmail.com I am including a picture of her. All prayers are appreciated!! It only takes 2 seconds to forward this on, if it was your child, you would want all the help you could get. Please. Thank you for your kindness, hopefully you can help us. ================= Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:36:15 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com folks: this is how viruses get spread. that photo download may very well have had a virus attached. having had my computer shut down all weekend from such a thing, if you don't know who sent you an email with an attachment, DO NOT forward it on until you can verify the authenticity. there is a good chance we all have a virus now. tnx, gm ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:42:13 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" I should have let you guys know about the possibility of a virus - I did take care of that before I sent it out - the note my friend sent didn't have any explanation of what it had it the file attachement, so I emailed him first. thanks for the reminder though. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; geordie@mercednet.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! folks: this is how viruses get spread. that photo download may very well have had a virus attached. having had my computer shut down all weekend from such a thing, if you don't know who sent you an email with an attachment, DO NOT forward it on until you can verify the authenticity. there is a good chance we all have a virus now. tnx, gm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:51:43 -0500 From: "galtemos" We try to be nice guys, and look what happens. Life is just not fair. From: Geordie Calvert To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 11:42 PM I should have let you guys know about the possibility of a virus - I did take care of that before I sent it out - the note my friend sent didn't have any explanation of what it had it the file attachement, so I emailed him first. thanks for the reminder though. http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: galtemos@suffolk.lib.ny.us ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Please Look at picture and forward! folks: this is how viruses get spread. that photo download may very well have had a virus attached. having had my computer shut down all weekend from such a thing, if you don't know who sent you an email with an attachment, DO NOT forward it on until you can verify the authenticity. there is a good chance we all have a virus now. tnx, gm Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:31:47 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: personalized trading card ideas / get 18 from UD for $25 From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 05:57:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: top-performers.com/ personalized trading cards From: keithsummers@webtv.net ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:20:19 EST Subject: National Update To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, It's still more than five months away, but it's not too early to start making plans. I've been checking around Chicago looking for a nearby hotel for the swap session. David Kolenda has plenty of room at his place... however, it's not that close (about 45 min. away I think). I figure if most of the attendees are going to be staying somewhere near the Convention Center, then it might be better to hold the swap closer to that. I talked to a nice woman at the Best Western in Elk Grove (which appears to be just a few minutes away from both the airport and the convention center). She quoted me a rate of ZERO for the room if we purchase food through the hotel. (As an estimate she quoted me prices: Pizzas are $12.95 for a lg. cheese and a pitcher of 'pop' was $5.95, I think cans of pop were .50 each.) I'm going to talk to Kevin Savage if I see him this weekend in Ft. Washington. He's hinted that he might be willing to host the swap session like he did last year (at least financially, since he was unable to personally attend the last one). I'd also like to get an idea of how many people are planning to attend, whether you already have plans, if it's a 50-50 shot... or even a snowball's chance in Hades. The event is supposed to take place on Aug. 10th - that's the Saturday night during the National. So if you have the weekend off, LMK and I'll fly you in for the occasion (but only if I hit the lottery before then). The rest of you will have to pay your way to Chicago. I told the woman on the phone that there's going to be 20 people, but if I call to reserve the room I'd like to have a more accurate number in mind (in case we need a bigger or smaller room). More information about the show itself can be found at http://thenational.net/ There's also a server set up from last year's highly sucessful gathering in Cleveland. Bob Reed can be contacted at boreed@hotmail.com (I hope) in order to add your name to the e-mail list (OBC_National@yahoogroups.com) ...or you can reply to me and I'll forward all the names to him at once. PLMK if you have any questions, concerns, or other ideas for the show. Hope to hear from you soon - and see you at the show! TAYL, Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:49:05 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Hi all, Since there's a less than 5% chance that I'll be attending the National this year I made Ken Morganti the moderator of the OBC-National group. Now either one of us should be able to add members and control the information of the group. Also to make things more consistant with our other servers I renamed the email address so it is now "OBC-National@yahoogroups.com" instead of "OBC_National...." (notice the "_" is now a "-"). Wish I could make it to the National but I definitely have my sights on Atlantic City in 2003. >From: cardclctor@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:20:19 EST >Hi gang, > It's still more than five months away, but it's not too early to start >making plans. I've been checking around Chicago looking for a nearby hotel >for the swap session. David Kolenda has plenty of room at his place... >however, it's not that close (about 45 min. away I think). I figure if most >of the attendees are going to be staying somewhere near the Convention >Center, then it might be better to hold the swap closer to that. I talked >a nice woman at the Best Western in Elk Grove (which appears to be just a >minutes away from both the airport and the convention center). She quoted >a rate of ZERO for the room if we purchase food through the hotel. (As an >estimate she quoted me prices: Pizzas are $12.95 for a lg. cheese and a >pitcher of 'pop' was $5.95, I think cans of pop were .50 each.) I'm going >talk to Kevin Savage if I see him this weekend in Ft. Washington. He's >that he might be willing to host the swap session like he did last year (at >least financially, since he was unable to personally attend the last one). >I'd also like to get an idea of how many people are planning to attend, >whether you already have plans, if it's a 50-50 shot... or even a >chance in Hades. The event is supposed to take place on Aug. 10th - that's >the Saturday night during the National. So if you have the weekend off, LMK >and I'll fly you in for the occasion (but only if I hit the lottery before >then). The rest of you will have to pay your way to Chicago. I told the >on the phone that there's going to be 20 people, but if I call to reserve >room I'd like to have a more accurate number in mind (in case we need a >bigger or smaller room). More information about the show itself can be >at http://thenational.net/ There's >a server set up from last year's highly sucessful gathering in Cleveland. >Reed can be contacted at boreed@hotmail.com (I hope) in order to add your >name to the e-mail list (OBC_National@yahoogroups.com) ...or you can reply >me and I'll forward all the names to him at once. PLMK if you have any >questions, concerns, or other ideas for the show. Hope to hear from you >- and see you at the show! TAYL, >Ken M MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: The OBC Card Set idea (Continued)..... Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:08:50 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Just a bit more on the card set idea...... So far, reaction has been pretty good. 15 definites, with I'm sure many more to come. Bear in mind, though, that by saying YES you aren't committing yourself to anything at all. Before this project goes ahead, a lot of groundwork needs to be laid, not least getting some idea of the cost of doing this. If costs are prohibitive, I'm certainly not going to force the It would be my hope to produce a real nice set of cards, with an original design influenced by the vintage we all know and love so much. That means full color fronts, with bios and other info on the back. That also means NO overtly shiny surfaces (i.e. UV!!), and a few surprises. What I like most though, is this idea of distributing the cards in packs, so that we all have to do some trading with each other. I think it'd be a great way to make some contact with OBCers you've never been in touch with before. From a personal perspective, there's no way that I could handle distribution from here in Scotland. That'd have to come from one (or some) of you guys Stateside. I am, however, going to have a word with my printer friend over here with the sole intention of finding out a rough cost. Ultimately, I'd like to get enough cards printed so that every OBCer has the potential to put together a complete set, and have a small supply of their own card. I've already started working on a few design ideas, and will continue to do so. In the meantime however, if you haven't already done so, please take the time to answer the questionnaire that I sent out yesterday. Remember, the more that take part, the cheaper its going to be. Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: About this National thing..... Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 22:39:06 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" A number of you have, over the past few weeks, made reference to meeting me at this years National in Chicago. I had every intention of attending this year, thinking that the various financial obstacles that I knew we had to overcome would all be done and dusted by now. Getting an offer for the old apartment is indeed the final thing that we need to take care of in order to get our finances settled. Unfortunately, everything is happening too late to allow us to get our s**t together in time to make the trip. Believe me, that ain't no one more disappointed than I am. The thought of meeting old friends, and making new ones, was such a good one. Hey, I might even have bought a card or two along the way. As it is, Maureen and I now have to start planning ahead, and hopefully those plans will include next years National, and maybe even Vegas '03! C'est la vie! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Trade bait requested Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:15:13 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I know my list is very difficult to hit. I'm working on that and hope to have some "second sets" listed soon. In the meantime, I can also get lotsof help for some trades I am working on. 1970 thru 1973 Topps team cards 1970 (4) 579 tigers, 637 indians, 676 senators, 713 pilots. 1971 (6) 442 angels, 482 padres, 624 athletics, 652 braves, 698 brewers, 722 1972 (8) 487 tigers, 522 dodgers, 547 indians, 617 royals, 651 reds, 688 cardinals, 731 oriles, 771 giants. 1973 (4) 556 yankees, 596 redsox, 629 indians, 654 twins. I know -- these are tough ones too. I also could use some low grade 1959 Fleer Ted Williams cards for another trade. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:36:36 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread From: Dan Austin I decided to put into reality an idea I've been playing around with - "virtual collections". In simple terms, a reasonably sized front and back scan of each card in a set. For those who don't have the set - they can now become "vitual set owners" thanks to the WWW. For the first virtual set in my collection, I have chosen the tough-to-find 1946 Remar Bread set. To see it, point your browser to: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/46remar/46remar.html I hope it doesn't take too long to load. I tried to find a good compromise between quality and image size. I'd appreciate feedback on this issue. If you have suggestions on how to make such a thing better, please LMK. Do you like the idea of the "virtual collection"? If so, LMK. If the response is good, I may try another one, or two, or three, ... Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Jefferson Burdick? Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:03:06 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I am doing an article for Sport Collectors Digest on Jefferson R. Burdick and his collection. Do any of you have any information on Burdick that I might not have found? Did anyone ever meet him or correspond with him? or knowanyone who did? Burdick is considered the "father of baseball card collecting." I think he was much more of a collector than a baseball fan. He wrote the American Card Catalogue. He died in 1963 and left his collection to the New York Metropolitan Museum of Art starting in 1948. He spent 16 years mounting his collection (gluing it into books!). The collection consists of virtually every baseball card issued before 1960. It is virtually inaccessible to the public. About 100 cards out of his collection are displayed and rotated every 6 months. You would have to visit the Met for 150 years to see the collection under their present policies. They are somewhat embarrassed about having the collection at all. Maybe they will give it to us? (HaHa as Steve Rittenberg would add.) George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 20:59:49 -0500 (EST) To: vct@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [VCT] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread From: Neal Thomas Count me as a vote for "I like it" Not only can it be a resource for cards stumbled upon, it also is great to see cards that I probably will never own or even see. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Dan Austin Subject: [VCT] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread Date: 02/26/2002 07:36pm I decided to put into reality an idea I've been playing around with - "virtual collections". In simple terms, a reasonably sized front and back scan of each card in a set. For those who don't have the set - they now become "vitual set owners" thanks to the WWW. For the first set in my collection, I have chosen the tough-to-find 1946 Remar set. To see it, point your browser to: http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/46remar/46remar.ht I hope it doesn't take too long to load. I tried to find a good between quality and image size. I'd appreciate feedback on this issue. If you have suggestions on how to make such a thing better, please LMK. you like the idea of the "virtual collection"? If so, LMK. If the response is good, I may try another one, or two, or three, ... Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/J.SolB/TM -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at VCT@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:10:43 EST Subject: Buckner/wilson "the boot" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I found this advertised in "Skymall", the magazine American Airlines puts in its first class cabins ( I was using miles,no kidding) to rake a few more bucks out of its passengers. I'm sure the Boston guys would want a copy ..well, maybe the New York guys. Its an 8 X 10 photo of the moment when Mookie Wilson's ground ball goes through the legs of Bill Buckner to score the winning run in game 6 of the 1986 World Series. Signed by both Buckner and Wilson. Only 99.95. Order at www.skymall.com. Before you Boston guys slug me too hard, please remember I'm a longer suffering Cub's fan. - Doug ================= To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:13:47 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" My .02 worth ... NIce job. Way too much work, and I would like to see just one from each set (virtual type card set) but Dan you done good. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 21:39:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Speaking of Ft wasington From: Neal Thomas I am going to try and make it down on Saturday, even if for a short time. From Steve, the list I got of potentials is: Ken, Brett, Jeff S, Bob Donaldson, Tim N, Wayne Delia, Sal Domino. Anyone else gonna make it? ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update Date: 02/26/2002 11:20am Hi gang, It's still more than five months away, but it's not too early to making plans. I've been checking around Chicago looking for a nearby for the swap session. David Kolenda has plenty of room at his however, it's not that close (about 45 min. away I think). I figure if most of the attendees are going to be staying somewhere near the Center, then it might be better to hold the swap closer to that. I talked to a nice woman at the Best Western in Elk Grove (which appears to be just a few minutes away from both the airport and the convention center). She quoted me a rate of ZERO for the room if we purchase food through the hotel. (As an estimate she quoted me prices: Pizzas are $12.95 for a lg. cheese and pitcher of 'pop' was $5.95, I think cans of pop were .50 each.) I'm going to talk to Kevin Savage if I see him this weekend in Ft. Washington. He's hinted that he might be willing to host the swap session like he did last year (at least financially, since he was unable to personally attend the last I'd also like to get an idea of how many people are planning to whether you already have plans, if it's a 50-50 shot... or even a chance in Hades. The event is supposed to take place on Aug. 10th - the Saturday night during the National. So if you have the weekend off, LMK and I'll fly you in for the occasion (but only if I hit the lottery then). The rest of you will have to pay your way to Chicago. I told the woman on the phone that there's going to be 20 people, but if I call to reserve the room I'd like to have a more accurate number in mind (in case we need bigger or smaller room). More information about the show itself can be found at http://thenational.net/ There's also a server set up from last year's highly sucessful gathering in Cleveland. Bob Reed can be contacted at boreed@hotmail.com (I hope) in order to add name to the e-mail list (OBC_National@yahoogroups.com) ...or you can reply to me and I'll forward all the names to him at once. PLMK if you have questions, concerns, or other ideas for the show. Hope to hear from you soon - and see you at the show! TAYL, Ken M ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: early "card" mystery Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 18:58:06 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" Any of you old time card collectors know what these are? They are neat and cheap but no idea of the set, or value. thanks for any help http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/61707212 Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 00:01:14 EST Subject: Re: federal employees at the Olympics To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Joel - and don't forget about the sacfices made by their fellow fed, the Olympic tourist who braved security lines and complex Tivo recording systems to attend thrilling games, watch the rest on TV, and have a great time while Rick and Marshall were working their butts off :). In a message dated 2/25/2002 11:33:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:28:50 EST Subject: congratulations I would like to thank you for the outstanding job you and your fellow government employees performed in giving the world a safe and enjoyable 17 days of Olympic competition. I can only imagine how difficult and tedious the work was. Hope to hear your experiences. Joel >> ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC Card Set Update Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:02:26 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Here's today's update on the OBC Card Set project. I had a word with the rep from the printing company that my work deals with. I explained the project and asked him if he could give me a ballpark figure on cost, based on the following parameters: Printing on A2 sheets (36 images per sheet) of baseball card thickness stock Full color front, two color backs Artwork supplied on CD in appropriate software package (usually PageMaker) Approximately 200 of each card required. His estimate based on these parameters was approximately $700. If enough guys wanted to get involved to allow us to go to a second sheet of 36, the cost would simply double. I'm sure that someone Stateside could come up with something a bit cheaper than that (I know that Mike Diamanti is checking out a contact that he has), but even at that, we're looking at $20 per person. So far, I've received 22 approvals from OBCers. I'm sure we'll get up to the 36 mark easily. The problem is going over that. If that happened, I think we'd have 2 options: 1) Keep campaigning within OBC to get the number up to as close to 72 participants as possible 2) Enquire about getting the printing done on A1 sized stock (for those of you not familiar with paper sizes, think A4 size as being the size of the front cover of a Beckett magazine. A3 size is double that, A2 double again, and A1 double again - therefore if you layout 8 copies of Beckett in a 4 x 2 grid, you have A1 size). I don't think many printers will do A1, but if they did we could get anywhere up to 72 images on a single sheet - in other words, the printer would only have to make up a single plate rather than 2, and its the making of the plates that comprises the main cost in color Anyway, that's how things stand so far. Now that you know the parameters, I'd be grateful if some of you could perhaps make some enquiries locally about printing. Remember, we'll also have to consider delivery, distribution, and some sort of payment for providing the artwork. A friend of mine here in Glasgow is a graphic designer and an expert in dealing with setting publications up for printing. He's intimated that he could do that side of things for us, and I would like to be able to offer him some sort of reward for his time. Any comments so far? Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:40:55 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kahn's Checklists? To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Great. More items on Dan Austins wantlist. And I was getting worried it was getting too difficult to hit, since it was down to approx. 30 pages! ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 17:45:25 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] congratulations To: Glk@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Joel - You are the best! Thank you so much for caring enough to email me about my Olympic experience! Yes, it was a difficult and stressful job. I actually only had one day off the entire time and normally worked 10 to 12 hours each day. Our mission was to insure that all aircraft, crew and passengers leaving seven different airports within a 45 mile radius of Salt Lake City was not going to pose a threat to the venues, athletics, workers and spectators. We cleared over 1,000 aircraft and 6,000 passengers and crew. My job was to maintain a database with all the reservation requests from aircraft, crew and passengers leaving from the six airports. Before we allowed them to leave I was responsible for running backgrounds to insure they did not pose any threat. I actually discovered negative information on approximately twenty passenger's and crew and 10 aircraft! One of the aircraft I researched actually revealed serious enough information to warrant a very serious inspection before it was even allowed to fly into Salt Lake City or leave! My one day off I actually got to attend Short-Track speed skating and watched 25 races that included the women's and men's illumination rounds and medal rounds. The highlight was when Apollo Ohno won his silver medal! I had a skybox at center ice for the entire four hours of racing at the Delta Center! I am very proud of the job we did and so was everyone involved! I actually had the opportunity to work with many of our Inspectors, Air Officers, Agents, the Secret Service, FBI, FAA, and many other law enforcement agencies! It was an experience I will never forget! Once again, thank you my friend for caring, your friendship means a lot to Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Card Set Update Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 15:11:21 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" A couple comments from the NW. If we get an odd number of people we could make our own Short prints. We would judge on popularity, and ugliness. Also I might be able to get help getting negatives onto CDs as my daughter works for Kodak (upscale photo booth). Big Al in Seattle Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:38:02 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jefferson Burdick? To: vrechek@worldnet.att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com They should "lend" the collection to the BB HOF and let them display it for true collectors to enjoy. Just my opinion. ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 18:44:19 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Buckner/wilson "the boot" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com In a message dated 2/26/2002 9:55:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, Traderdoug@aol.com writes: > . Its an 8 X 10 photo of the moment when > Mookie Wilson's ground ball goes through the legs of Bill Buckner to score > the winning run in game 6 of the 1986 World Series. WHAT??? I figured the Series was over and done with when the Mets had 2 outs, 2 strikes on Carter, bases empty, down by 2 runs in the bottom of the 10th so I turned the TV off. You mean to tell me it went to a seventh game? Who won the Series? Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com "There is nothing so noble as a loyal fan of a losing sports team." ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:00:41 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com In a message dated 2/26/2002 7:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@iamdanaustin.com writes: > I decided to put into reality an idea I've been playing around with - > "virtual collections". In simple terms, a reasonably sized front and back > scan of each card in a set. For those who don't have the set - they can > now become "vitual set owners" thanks to the WWW. For the first virtual > set in my collection, I have chosen the tough-to-find 1946 Remar Bread > set. To see it, point your browser to: > http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/46remar/46remar.html > I hope it doesn't take too long to load. I tried to find a good compromise > between quality and image size. I'd appreciate feedback on this issue. If > you have suggestions on how to make such a thing better, please LMK. Do > you like the idea of the "virtual collection"? If so, LMK. If the > response is good, I may try another one, or two, or three, ... Delia like! Can Delia steal? If you'll give me permission to include them on my Baseball Card Images Project (now expanded to 2 CD's) here's what I can 1) If you're in the mood for another Remar set, I have the complete 1950 set in very nice shape. I can make the images available to you in the same format and size. 2) Here's something I've been wanting to do for a very long time: the 1950-56 Callahan's set, front and back images. I've got the complete set in near-mint condition, including DiMaggio, Chandler, all later year cards, and all variations. Only 88 cards in total (I think, plus or minus two or three). 3) If I can include the 46 Remars on my CD's, I'll send you a pair of the latest versions. I started the images project as a web-based display but very quickly ran into a storage limitation wall, even with 50MB free on Tripod, so I backed it off and onto the CD's. If you've got the real estate, go for it! A very admirable Wayne M. Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Grand Delta, North Atlantic Region, Phi Kappa Sigma International Fraternity "To do what ought to be done, but would not be done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty." (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 19:43:50 EST Subject: Damage to 1958 WL To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I just picked up a real big Topps 1958 lot, and now have 100+ dupes for that year. My list for that year is narrowing, and I'd like to do some more damage. So if anyone else is working on that set, please check out my WL. ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:48:06 -0500 From: "galtemos" I thought the 1946 Remar set was very interesting. It is a set I will probably never collect, and this is a very good way to get to see it. > From: WMDpks@aol.com > To: dan@iamdanaustin.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Virtual Collection" #1 -- 1946 Remar Bread > Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:00 PM In a message dated 2/26/2002 7:40:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan@iamdanaustin.com writes: > I decided to put into reality an idea I've been playing around with - > "virtual collections". In simple terms, a reasonably sized front and > scan of each card in a set. For those who don't have the set - they can > now become "vitual set owners" thanks to the WWW. For the first virtual > set in my collection, I have chosen the tough-to-find 1946 Remar Bread > set. To see it, point your browser to: > http://www.iamdanaustin.com/vct/virtual_collections/46remar/46remar.html > I hope it doesn't take too long to load. I tried to find a good > between quality and image size. I'd appreciate feedback on this issue. > you have suggestions on how to make such a thing better, please LMK. Do > you like the idea of the "virtual collection"? If so, LMK. If the > response is good, I may try another one, or two, or three, ... Delia like! Can Delia steal? If you'll give me permission to include them my Baseball Card Images Project (now expanded to 2 CD's) here's what I can 1) If you're in the mood for another Remar set, I have the complete 1950 in very nice shape. I can make the images available to you in the same and size. 2) Here's something I've been wanting to do for a very long time: the Callahan's set, front and back images. I've got the complete set in condition, including DiMaggio, Chandler, all later year cards, and all variations. Only 88 cards in total (I think, plus or minus two or three). 3) If I can include the 46 Remars on my CD's, I'll send you a pair of the latest versions. I started the images project as a web-based display but very quickly ran a storage limitation wall, even with 50MB free on Tripod, so I backed it and onto the CD's. If you've got the real estate, go for it! A very Wayne M. Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Grand Delta, North Atlantic Region, Phi Kappa Sigma International "To do what ought to be done, but would not be done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty." (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= To: , , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jefferson Burdick? Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:50:34 -0500 From: "galtemos" This is one of those ideas that makes so much sense, that it cannot possibly happen. > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com > To: vrechek@worldnet.att.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jefferson Burdick? > Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:38 PM > They should "lend" the collection to the BB HOF and let them display it > true collectors to enjoy. > Just my opinion. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 22:20:21 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Buckner/wilson "the boot" To: TraderDoug@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com That pic is pretty famous around here... The best part is that was the day I got married. You guys should see the video of the moment that happened! Thanks God the Mets one, otherwise that would have wound up being the worst day of my life LOL. If nothing else, everyone was always able to remember my former anniversary :) Original Message Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] Buckner/wilson "the boot" Date: 2/26/02 9:47:23 PM Eastern Standard Time From: Traderdoug@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com I found this advertised in "Skymall", the magazine American Airlines puts in its first class cabins ( I was using miles,no kidding) to rake a few more bucks out of its passengers. I'm sure the Boston guys would want a copy ..well, maybe the New York guys. Its an 8 X 10 photo of the moment when Mookie Wilson's ground ball goes through the legs of Bill Buckner to score the winning run in game 6 of the 1986 World Series. Signed by both Buckner and Wilson. Only 99.95. Order at www.skymall.com. Before you Boston slug me too hard, please remember I'm a longer suffering Cub's fan. - Doug To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! 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Richard and I will also be golfing! The number to contact Margaret is (510) 797-9220 and the 1-800 number you listed is no longer valid. Anyone can also email her at Count me in for four for the world famous barbecue also! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 00:54:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 02...wedding,rooms, baseball and golf To: alcattle@hotmail.com, Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: tply@aol.com Al and All - I knew this would happen! Three for the game means me, and my wonderful children Richard and Crystal (They love going to baseball games with Dad), Two for golf, of course, is me and my wonderful son Richard and last we all love the great food at Mike's, so that means me, my wonderful (soon to be bride) Margaret, Crystal (my lovely and loving daughter) and Richard (my handsome and loving son)! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: My latest potential trade Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 09:07:43 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I have some non-sport cards for a guy I met through ebay but he has nothingfor me. Here's what he does have: "I collect but I have a large collection of Classics Illustrated Comics and coins, stamps and paper money from all over the world. I also collect old serials (Flash Gordon, Tom Mix etc." If you collect some of this stuff, let me know and we can try to work something out. Thanks. Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: To my fellow Tigers fans in OBC... Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:05:16 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Have you ever checked out the blurb on the back of the 1975 Jim Palmer #335? Six straight, my butt! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1809040203: 1936 Chicago Cubs Jim O'Dea Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 12:16:48 PST From: boreed@hotmail.com Does anybody know what this is? O'Dea is my father in law's cousin and I've never seen this item before. Is it really from 1936 or was it issued more recently? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. Bob R. Title of item: 1936 Chicago Cubs Jim O'Dea Starts: Feb-27-02 20:33:01 PST Ends: Mar-04-02 20:33:01 PST Price: Starts at $7.99 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809040203 Item Description: 1936 Chicago Cubs team issue of Jim O'Dea. Measures 5 7/8 x 8 3/4 inches. Excellent condition. Please check my other auctions for more vintage team issue photos from the 30's, 40's and 50's. Shipping $3.00. Money orders and personal checks accepted. Please check my other auctions for more vintage sports memorabilia. I accept the following forms of payment: Money Order, Personal Check. Click image to view larger version  Low cost image hosting and full service auction management solutions: AuctionWatch Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com ================= Subject: Old Judge Resource Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 13:15:55 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" I have been researching players with the last name of Greenwood, and came across this great site. Enjoy. http://midwest-vintage-base-ball.com/Cards/N172.html ================= To: Subject: VEGAS 02 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:53:52 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Mike, 2 for chow. After a two year no show, Denise has finally completed her schooling. She said she needs to show up incase Rick gets a fainting spell at the big moment, we will have the proper medical attention availablefor 1 for golf, I need clubs (along with help). Back has been real bad, alongwith shoulder, hip, and eye sight. None for the ballgame, Will arrive Thusday at 1PM, and leaving Monday at 10AM. Staying at old reliable, The Sahara. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#1809040203: 1936 Chicago Cubs Jim O'Dea Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:14:40 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" This is what I can gather: According to the 2000 SCD, the 1936 Chicago Cubs Picture Pack does have a Ken O'Dea in the set. His full name is James Kenneth O'Dea so the Jim O'Dea card on eBay could be the one. The card looks just like the illustration in SCD for the 1932 picture pack and the 1936 pack (not illustrated) is supposed to be quite similar. The 1936 card is supposed to be 6" x 9" instead of the eBay listed 5 7/8 by 8 3/4 so the card may be trimmed (those corners do look quite sharp for a 66 year-old card). One more thing. According to SCD ". . . the absence of white facsimile autographs helps differentiate this issue from the 1932 set". However, as you can see from the scan, the Jim O'Dea card on eBay HAS a facsimile autograph. I wouldn't put too much stock in that, however. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#1809040203: 1936 Chicago Cubs Jim O'Dea > Does anybody know what this is? O'Dea is my father in law's cousin and I've never seen this item before. Is it really from 1936 or was it issued more recently? Any information would be appreciated. Thanks. > Bob R. > Title of item: 1936 Chicago Cubs Jim O'Dea > Seller: smas99 > Starts: Feb-27-02 20:33:01 PST > Ends: Mar-04-02 20:33:01 PST > Price: Starts at $7.99 > To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1809040203 > Item Description: >   > 1936 Chicago Cubs team issue of Jim O'Dea. Measures 5 7/8 x 8 3/4 inches. Excellent condition. Please check my other auctions for more vintage team issue photos from the 30's, 40's and 50's. > Shipping $3.00. Money orders and personal checks accepted. Please check my other auctions for more vintage sports memorabilia. > Payment > I accept the following forms of payment: Money Order, Personal Check. >   > Click image to view larger version  > Low cost image hosting and full service auction management solutions: > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:16:24 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VEGAS 02 To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, Topgolf@aol.com From: Wite3@aol.com okay...finally convinced my friend michael to come to vegas with me so... 2 for dinner 2 for the game 0 for golf ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Super March Madness and new email! Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 22:29:22 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" email about hits for the super bowl pool have stopped coming in, so I'll call it final at 509 hits!!! Great work guys. You can see the staggering totals at my website that now has a new address thanks to ATT... http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/pool.htm Now, thanks to the suggestion of Robert P., if you guys want to find another excuse to send cards to someone, I can set up an OBC NCAA tournament. I haven't given it much thought, but we could send cards to the guys who have the 4 teams that make it to the final 4. If anyone has other ideas let me know. For now, if you are interested, let me know. All I have to do now is remember to do this for the World Series! This is about baseball cards after all! :) lastly, my email has changed to seanobc@attbi.com Sorry for the bookkeeping, but we all know about these silly email things. So, let me know if you want in on the OBC march madness! Same rules as the football, all you have to do is try to send cards to the winners. Go Terps! Sean (from Bowie, Maryland) ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Several small topics Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:23:25 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" My latest neurosis is fear of clogging up the mail servers. To cope, I'vestarted writing private instead of public thanks. And I will group a bunch of small separate "ramblings" into one longer one. -- 8 x 10 laminated photos. At a recent show, a dealer had a stack of photos that looked like he had blown up and then laminated. I think they look really cool. I bought a Ted Williams and a 1911 All Star Team for myself and a few others for people I owe. I would have liked to have bought many more but went overboard as it was. There were Babe Ruths, Mantles (I think), lots of Negro League players and teams available. All were priced at $8 to $10. I need to call the dealer to get his e-mail address. He said he'd deal by mail if anyone is interested. If you are, let me know and I will pass along his contact information. Also, I will see him again in a month at the next local show. -- Non Sport Price Guide (1961-1988). I found a copy for $5 at a used bookstore. If you'd like to learn all about non-sports from the 60s and 70s,let me know and I can go back and pick it up. -- The BEST books about baseball cards. I own one of them - the Topps baseball card book from 1951-1990. It has a picture of EVERY card from everyset. Brett Domue told me about the other one and I borrowed it from thelibrary. Title: Classic Baseball Cards: 1888 to 1956. Author: Frank Slocum. This book blows me away!! It has pictures of all the "classic" sets that I never expect to even own like Ramlys, T3s, DeLongs and so on. Iwould love to find an affordable copy ($20 + shipping) of this book but I think that is very hard to do. I've found copies online at prices rangingfrom $75 to $225 (!!). I plan to use it in order to make my Red Sox team set lists. But before that, the book is going on the road with me to Fort Washington so that Wayne and Brett (and others?) can look at it. -- Bill James Baseball Abstract. I found a copy of the old version for $1at a library sale and re-read it. I had a copy previously and got rid of it. I think I might get rid of this one too. I don't think it is a valuable enough reference book to keep around. If you want it, I can send it to you for the price of postage. Has anyone seen the new version? Iam waiting for it to appear at the library. -- Vegas 02. I am still debating about going to V02. I told Mike to buyme a baseball ticket just in case. I think thats it for now. Isn't that enough? :-) ================= Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 05:25:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Several small topics From: "rbhankins" If you're worried about clogging up the mail servers, don't stop sending messages -- just use a smaller font. The messages should go through easier. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Steve Rittenberg" > My latest neurosis is fear of clogging up the mail servers. To cope, I've started writing private instead of public thanks. And I will group a bunch of small separate "ramblings" into one longer > -- 8 x 10 laminated photos. At a recent show, a dealer had a stack of photos that looked like he had blown up and then laminated. I think they look really cool. I bought a Ted Williams and a 1911 All Star Team for myself and a few others for people I owe. I would have liked to have bought many more but went overboard as it was. There were Babe Ruths, Mantles (I think), lots of Negro League players and teams available. All were priced at $8 to $10. I need to call the dealer to get his e-mail address. He said he'd deal by mail if anyone is interested. If you are, let me know and I will pass along his contact information. Also, I will see him again in a month at the next local show. > -- Non Sport Price Guide (1961-1988). I found a copy for $5 at a used bookstore. If you'd like to learn all about non-sports from the 60s and 70s, let me know and I can go back and pick it up. > -- The BEST books about baseball cards. I own one of them - the Topps baseball card book from 1951-1990. It has a picture of EVERY card from every set. Brett Domue told me about the other one and I borrowed it from the library. Title: Classic Baseball Cards: 1888 to 1956. Author: Frank Slocum. This book blows me away!! It has pictures of all the "classic" sets that I never expect to even own like Ramlys, T3s, DeLongs and so on. I would love to find an affordable copy ($20 + shipping) of this book but I think that is very hard to do. I've found copies online at prices ranging from $75 to $225 (!!). I plan to use it in order to make my Red Sox team set lists. But before that, the book is going on the road with me to Fort Washington so that Wayne and Brett (and others?) can look at it. > -- Bill James Baseball Abstract. I found a copy of the old version for $1 at a library sale and re-read it. I had a copy previously and got rid of it. I think I might get rid of this one too. I don't think it is a valuable enough reference book to keep around. If you want it, I can send it to you for the price of postage. Has anyone seen the new version? I am waiting for it to appear at the library. > -- Vegas 02. I am still debating about going to V02. I told Mike to buy me a baseball ticket just in case. > I think thats it for now. Isn't that enough? :-) > Steve ================= Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 02:07:12 EST Subject: More t-205 back information To: prewartraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Was going over the research again and neglected to mention something...something rather important. In listing the back types, I sort of missed one. Years ago I bought a T-205 Moran that had a blank back. I discussed it with a few well known dealers and finally found out what it was. It was part of an advertising poster. The cardboard is much thicker and it appears to be hand cut. The poster actually features several T-205s including the cobb, matty, moran, and a couple of others. I saw a picture of one once, must have been 10 years ago. Have seen nothing since. But as I was scouring ebay two weeks ago, I ran across a skinned t-205 that reminded me of this little known back "variation." I still do not feel this is a true back variation as blank backs were never inserted in packs of cigarettes but it is interesting to note.