================= Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 03:47:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: my computer is done& FT WASH From: Celenox@aol.com Hi guys i got a virus on my computer, it crashed and i need to buyy a new one, so guys please bere with me.....as far as ft wash im still there i will be wearing a NT METS black jersey with #9 zeile on the back and a beige 2000 world series fishing hat....guys going to ft wash or anyone in the group if ya want to call me my number is see u guiys in ft wash PS today i met Bob corvello and he was a great guy i plan on writting a whole ramblings about the event when i get my new computer...sorry its so short bob ill fix it up next week ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Decent E92 Wagner on ebay.... Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:05:38 -0800 From: "John Collins" For those of you who can't afford a PSA 7 copy (if such a thing exists....)here is a trimmed, but presentable E92 Honus Wagner card (Crofts Candy back) with a bid of $39 and only a day remaining. Seller has a pretty decent feedback rating. I'm not into these cards yet myself, but I know more than a few of you out there are. Good Luck, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1974275066 ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 07:25:25 EST Subject: OBC Mini-meeting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Well, Rob Gioia was supposed to write this, but I guess his computer crash is a pretty good excuse. We met for the first time yesterday at the Westchester show. Rob had his little boy with him and we had a nice time. I guess I was the one who first got Rob interested in OBC, so this was an especially meaningful OBC meeting between the olde Friar and the young fireman.Like the olde Friar, Rob is a little shy at first, but that doesn't last long. We both warmed up as we moved from table to table. I was especially grateful when Rob tipped me off about a reasonably priced '56 Koufax after he had bought one from the same For those of you who have not met him, Rob is a great young man and a wonderful addition to the group. I sensed that would be the case when I first met him online, and I was happy to see that my intuition was correct when I met him in person. How often have we heard stories similar to that in OBC over the years? I always love to see younger guys getting into the mix and hearing their stories about how they got into old cards. All through our meeting Rob kept telling me stories about his dad and his grandfather, and there he was with his young son. Therein lies the story of the success of baseball and of OBC. Rob, I probably spent too much money; but I really enjoyed our couple of hours in White Plains. ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 09:20:20 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: computer help From: Neal Thomas i need some computer help. while working last night, i got an annoying message about 'sticky keys' function. i opted to turn it off, but in the process i somehow turned off another keyboard function and now my keyboard keys dont work. any help on how to fix ================= Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 12:45:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 572 From: Jerry Coker > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:35:42 EST > From: cardclctor@aol.com > Subject: Thanksgiving Toys > but > since the cable connection is always on I don't know much about MAC's, but you probably want to look into getting a firewall (Linksys...) since computers connected to cable modems are pretty susceptible to computer hacking. Actually, there might be firewall software installed on your new laptop. It just mught need to be configured. Or you can purchase firewall software, and I assume they make it for MAC's. Anyway, just thought I'd mention it. > Now I just have to get used to typing on the > smaller keyboard and using the trackpad instead of a mouse. This is even more > difficult when I have the laptop set up on the same desk as the old computer. Can you hook your existing keyboard and mouse to the external keyboard/mouse ports on the back of the laptop? Again, I'm MAC challenged, but I do this on pc's all the time. Just some thoughts :) Enjoy your new toy! Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:23:30 EST Subject: Math Problem To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i saw a lot of 1961 topps cards on ebay- please check this out for me- how can the lot contain 348 different cards between the numbers 371-434??-if the lot contains all different cards there are only 63 cards between 371 and 434- i don't understand how a lot can contain 348 different between these numbers??? eBay item 1973568798 (Ends Dec-02-02 18:... ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Math Problem Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:20:48 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" How we love to pick on Bill Henderson... WHY?????? if the lot contains all different cards there are only 63 cards between 371 and 434- IF THE LOT CONTAINS ALL DIFFERENT CARDS THERE ARE ONLY 62 CARDS (BETWEEN) 371 AND 434. IF ONE MEANS TO INCLUDE 371 AND 434 THEN THERE ARE 64 CARDS. Bill's mistake was probably a typo. Thanks for pointing out the lot, probably try and grab it. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Math Problem > hi- this is Linda- i saw a lot of 1961 topps cards on ebay- please check > out for me- how can the lot contain 348 different cards between the > 371-434??-if the lot contains all different cards there are only 63 cards > between 371 and 434- i don't understand how a lot can contain 348 > between these numbers??? HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1973568798">eBay > item 1973568798 (Ends Dec-02-02 18:... > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 16:14:24 -0500 (EST) To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Math Problem From: Originaleek@webtv.net Maybe Bill is trying to assure everyone that he is not selling the same card more then once. For instance he may have several #410's in the lot and each one is a different card in that is is not the same card because it is a different one. That is to say they are the same thing only different. Strangely I understand the logic because I raised 3 daughters through their teen years. We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:03:54 EST Subject: Paypal To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com I'm looking at signing up for an account. After reading all the info on their site, I'm still a bit unsure of how the receiving money part works. I'm going to go thru the steps as I have understood them. Please let me know if I am missing something. If I sell an item for $20, that money goes into my account. I can then request that it be placed on my credit card on file with Paypal, placed in my bank account, or sent to me in the form of a check. Does Paypal actually mail out checks? I ask b/c I'd be using my dad's card and would like to keep as many transactions off of it as possible. If I can get money from auctions mailed to me in the form of a check rather than placed on his card and then having to have him pay me, that would seem better. Then there is the question of shipping the item. With a check from Paypal coming to me, that is a guaranteed payment and I am OK to mail the item. Is that correct? I know many of you have been using this service for a long time. Any guidance would be appreciated. I have some items to sell where instant payment would be the preferred choice for the buyer and me. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: another storage question... Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:24:11 -0800 From: "John Collins" Along the same lines of binders vs. boxes, does anyone know if there are "penny sleeves" (very thin, clear and flimsy polypropylene) available for theoversize cards of the pre-1957 era? The ones I have seem to fit the standard post - '57 card size very well, but I can't find any to fit the 2 5/8 by 3 3/4 inches dimensions of 1952-1956 Topps and Bowman cards. The reason I'm asking is because there are a few cards I like to display inscrew-down cases, but I am wary of putting Mantles and Jackie Robinsons into cases like this without some other form of protection, as it seems that no matter how tight you screw them in, they are apt to slide around a little bit. I have also heard horror stories of people trying to remove a particularly valuable card from a screw case after a number of years, only to find that parts of the card have bonded to the case, usually resulting in major surface damage. For the time being, most of my oversize cards like this that aren't in albums are in Card Saver II holders, which are much more rigid than the penny sleeves and seem to fit just fine. Just wondered if there was perhaps another ================= To: , "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Paypal Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 18:27:07 -0800 From: "John Collins" If you sell something at auction, the money that goes into your Paypal account from it can be transferred to your bank account (checking, savings) butnot to your credit card, as far as I'm aware. You can PAY for auctions via a credit card, but you can't request money from items you've sold to be added to your credit card balance. Think that's the way it works. Let me know if that doesn't make sense..... ----- Original Message ----- From: toppsrun368@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 3:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Paypal I'm looking at signing up for an account. After reading all the info on their site, I'm still a bit unsure of how the receiving money part works.I'm going to go thru the steps as I have understood them. Please let me knowif I am missing something. If I sell an item for $20, that money goes into my account. I can then request that it be placed on my credit card on file with Paypal, placed in my bank account, or sent to me in the form of a check. Does Paypal actually mail out checks? I ask b/c I'd be using my dad's card and would like to keep as many transactions off of it as possible. If I can get money from auctions mailed to me in the form of a check rather than placed on his card and then having to have him pay me, that would seem better. Then there is the question of shipping the item. With a check from Paypal coming to me, that is a guaranteed payment and I am OK to mail the item. Is that correct? I know many of you have been using this service for a long time. Any guidance would be appreciated. I have some items to sell where instant payment would be the preferred choice for the buyer and me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 19:58:37 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Math Problem To: Originaleek@webtv.net, Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com And to think...we let him drive in Chicago! Turn around, we're going the wrong way and I only counted 5 stop signs ! ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 22:17:04 EST Subject: did anyone... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Get the link for the OBC national pictures posted on shutterfly? I sent it to the server, but I haven't gotten a response yet... ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: How do I find them? Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 00:39:22 -0800 From: "John Collins" How do I keep finding them? Check out this T206 Cobb on ebay. Aren't there less than 10 known Cobb brand backs in the world? Gee, this is really a bargain at only $400.........somebody call the reprint police PLEASE !! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1973449211 ================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 07:14:50 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: 1962 Jello #179 Vernon Law From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Not sure how many got this, but I don't have this card--can anyone help out? ------------------ Forward Header -------------------- Originally From: "Veryl Law" Subject: 1962 Jello #179 Vernon Law Date: 12/01/2002 07:07pm To whom it may concern, I have been looking for this card for about 8 years, it is the last card I need to complete my collection on my father, could you help me out and keep an eye out for it and let me know if you ever find one. I would really appreciate it. If you happen to have one would you be willing to part with it. Veryl Law ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: price guide help Date: 2 Dec 2002 08:37:13 -0800 From: "John Collins" Sorry to be a pain, but I have another request for price guide help. One of these days I will have to get a Beckett Almanac or big SCD book. I'm looking for the value (in various conditions) of a 1909 E92 Dockman Cy Young. Was surprised to see that this set is not listed on the PSA SMR price guide page, which I sometimes foolishly pay $4.95 for a month's access to. Several of you have heard me mention that I saw this card at a show I was at a couple of weeks ago, and for some reason I can't get it out of my mind. I'm going to another show this weekend, and the dealer with the Young card will likely be at this show as well. If he still has it I may be unable resist ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Contact info for Larry Tipton Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2002 21:41:35 +0000 From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" Does anyone have an up-to-date e-mail address for Larry Tipton? ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- Help would be greatly appreciated... Jeff Sackmann http://www.jeffsackmann.com Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:41:24 EST Subject: ft washington request To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I won't be able to make it this weekend. If available, could someone pick me up a 1951 Topps blue back #26 Andy Pafko? That's the last one I need for my set. Any condition available for $15 or less is great. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 19:54:32 EST Subject: Ok, Here's the pics from the national To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Seems that I tried to post from my work email to the server and it wouldn't let me do it..Mind you it has let in viruses, but not me :-). Copy and paste the link and you can see some of your favorite OBCers in action! http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=67b0de21b30f85f5051a ================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 10:45:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] another storage question... To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com From: JEdward@aol.com In a message dated 12/01/2002 6:28:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > Along the same lines of binders vs. boxes, does anyone know if there are > "penny sleeves" (very thin, clear and flimsy polypropylene) available for > the oversize cards of the pre-1957 era? The ones I have seem to fit the > standard post - '57 card size very well, but I can't find any to fit the 2 > 5/8 by 3 3/4 inches dimensions of 1952-1956 Topps and Bowman cards. > The reason I'm asking is because there are a few cards I like to display in > screw-down cases, but I am wary of putting Mantles and Jackie Robinsons > into cases like this without some other form of protection, as it seems > that no matter how tight you screw them in, they are apt to slide around a > little bit. I have also heard horror stories of people trying to remove a > particularly valuable card from a screw case after a number of years, only > to find that parts of the card have bonded to the case, usually resulting > in major surface damage. > For the time being, most of my oversize cards like this that aren't in > albums are in Card Saver II holders, which are much more rigid than the > penny sleeves and seem to fit just fine. Just wondered if there was > perhaps another option? > Thanks, > John John, I've been thinking about different ways to store some of my cards, and I think I've come up with an idea that might be worth considering. This works for me because my wife and I like to go nosing around flea markets and antique shops. I always keep my eye open for any old wood boxes that would hold baseball cards. I like to put my older sets ('53 Bowman, '55 Topps) in top loaders and keep them in old wooden boxes. My '53 Bowman set for example is in an old box that has the name "ISALY'S PASTEURIZED PROCESS CHEESE", the cards are just about a perfect fit for this box. I also found a two drawer filing cabinet that must have come from a library. It's a little large for baseball cards, but would be just about perfect for someone with a very large collection of Exhibits cards. I've thought about making my own boxes out of plywood to hold sets of cards, but I like the idea of putting old cards into old boxes, maybe I'll make some boxes for newer sets some day if I ever have the time. ================= Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:06:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 Bowman lot of Dodgers on eBay From: "obc_spike" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1974591717 Nine card lot, most (all?) cards in the lot look to be Dodgers and there are a few high numbers. Only one hit for my list, but someone out there may want a good start on this Dodgers team set. ================= Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:23:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball cards from Spain on eBay From: "obc_spike" http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1976678065 For the more exotic collectors, these cards are apparently of Spanish origin from the 1960s and earlier. Anyone in the group collect European cards? ================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:46:14 EST Subject: Need John Harrell's address... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Anybody have John "Bama" Harrell's address? I am his Secret Santa, and he's recently gone on the inactive list but he wants to participate in the Christmas exchange. I just found a rare, unusual, nice condition hit to his Also, due to a massive screwup among several Phi Kappa Sigma chapters in the North Atlantic Region (long story short: I was supposed to go to Potsdam, NY this weekend to present a plaque to my old chapter, congratulating them for getting themselves off suspension in September, but they're back on suspension as of today), I will be able to make it to Ft. Washington at least for Friday night and will possibly stay overnight if things work out OK. Sorry I missed the guys at White Plains last weekend, I was there at the same time but I had my head in a mid-1980's Topps regular-issue superstars bargain bin. Many Schmidt's, Ryan's, Ripkin's, Molitor's, Murray's, Dawson's, Boggs's, Seaver's, Yount's, Sandberg's, etc. I bought a thousand for a nickel apiece. Ten or twenty years from now, I figure they might be worth something. Can't go wrong with regular issues of bonafide HOF'ers or superstars. But I would rather collect the old stuff. Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "Willie hears ya. Willie doon't care." (Groundskeeper Willie, on The ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: 1939 Playball Williams Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:36:51 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Any ideas why there haven't been more bids? Right now its at 5% of BV withan hour to go (ends at 9pm EST). http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category31722&item1972500591&rd1 1939 Playball #92 Ted Williams Rookie B&W off center,slight wear at corners.Bottom border someone wrote Ted Williams in ink no creases.Back of card has glue or mucilage,but is quite readable.We'll start at $200.00 S.H.$1.00suggest Ins. $1.30 for first $50.00.Thank You for looking ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 20:05:35 -0600 From: "terry ellis" to all members i am new and have emailed alot of people and not much response i dont have the plague only a wantlist. thanks kit okamuro The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: new sets added to my list Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:34:40 -0600 From: "terry ellis" actually i could use starter sets i just have the mantles Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 21:35:31 -0600 From: "terry ellis" this is kit okamuro Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 22:49:55 EST Subject: 1939 Playball Williams on eBay To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com 
At $212 someone got a decent deal.  But I think that card typically sells for
under book.  My 39 Williams, which i've had for 4 years or so, was a slabbed
VG ..i removed the slab.  I can't for the life of me figure out why it wasn't
EX.  But i got it for like $325.  SCD books Vg at $650.  Either I got a steal
or the book is off.  I'm betting on the latter. - Doug

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Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 02:45:04 EST
Subject: Ohio Baseball Hall of Fame Set
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- I collect any cards or sets of old timers like the
Shakey's Pizza set-or the American Archives Origins of Baseball Set- Just
when i think i have seen all of these kinds of sets another one turns up i
have never heard of- There is a set on ebay right now - 1982 Ohio Baseball
Hall of Fame Set - i haven't seen before --eBay item   1974580520  (Ends   Dec-04-02 18:...  Sure i bid on
it but these super obscure sets i never seem to win-And this set happens to
have the old time players in it i like- Cy Young and Tris Speaker- Since i
probably won't win it does any trader have any single cards from this set
they would be willing to trade?- Anyone have any information about this set?
Another set i would like any single cards from is the 1977 Philadelphia
Favorites Athletics Set--This set was just on ebay and i bid on it and
naturally lost it- eBay item   1972458288  (Ends   Dec-03-02 16:... --Another set i
just bid on and lost also is the 1988 Houston Show set-  eBay item   1970750432  (Ends   Nov-26-02 19:... this is the 2nd
time i have seen it on ebay- looks like another set with old timers i look
for- anyone have any single cards from this set? thanks , Linda

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Dave McNally (sorry if this is a dupe)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 16:13:50 -0700
From: "Todd Knowles" 

Sorry if this is a duplicate message-I've been having wicked bad
trouble with my server but I think we've ironed it out.

Dave McNally passed away last weekend at the age of 60 from cancer.

Everyone from A-Rod to Jim Thome to your .230 hitting utility player
making $3 million a year owes Dave a debt of gratitude for taking a
stand and helping to eliminate the reserve clause.

Here is a link to a news story if you would like to read more about
this great Montanan.

http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2002/12/

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To: "Todd Knowles" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave McNally (sorry if this is a dupe)
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 20:59:22 -0800
From: "Greg Conway" 

Not only that but he was a GREAT pitcher. Probably the 2nd best pitcher in
Oriole history.

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Knowles" 
To: "Ramblings" 
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave McNally (sorry if this is a dupe)

> Sorry if this is a duplicate message-I've been having wicked bad
> trouble with my server but I think we've ironed it out.
> Dave McNally passed away last weekend at the age of 60 from cancer.
> Everyone from A-Rod to Jim Thome to your .230 hitting utility player
> making $3 million a year owes Dave a debt of gratitude for taking a
> stand and helping to eliminate the reserve clause.
> Here is a link to a news story if you would like to read more about
> this great Montanan.
> http://www.billingsgazette.com/index.php?id=1&display=rednews/2002/12/
> 03/build/sports/55-mcnally-obit.inc
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: OBC Directory
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:13:30 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Hi everyone.  I've taken over maintenance of the OBC directory that is emailed
out each month.   Grant did an awesome job with regular postings and making
sure changes never slipped through the cracks but he's too busy to continue.

I know one thing I have to work on is why the directory is so large.   Another
thing I want to work on is the content in the directory.   Its YOUR directory.
What do you want in it besides name / address / phone?   How do you
feel if we could post some of the stuff on the web (behind a password). Or
each month we'll send out the contact info portion and include the "extras"
like birthdays and length of membership in OBC maybe twice a year.   I'm
looking for some other ideas about how we can balance usefulness with effort
so please give me your feedback.

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: American Tobacco Cards
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:48:15 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

This book is an awesome looking reference book for non-sport N & T cards.  Its
full of really beautiful glossy pictures and detailed descriptions andchecklists
of each set.   The only drawback is that they do not cover sports
cards in this book.   Its available at a really good price right now on half.com
Since I don't know anyone specifically who might want a copy, I'm
sending this note to the whole group.

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:21:39 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1960 Leaf Baseball
From: "jimbo777777" 

I've decided to add this set to my wantlists.  Any stray dupes to get
me started would be most welcome and appreciated!

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Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:05:29 -0500
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fwd: RED GRANGE AND THE 1926 NEW YORK YANKEES
From: "Brett W. Domue" 

If anyone can help out Bob, or knows of anyone with this kind of of old
football memorabilia, can you please send a note back with the
information.  FYI, The 1926 Yankees in question are the football Yankees,
not the Baseball yankees.

>From: "BOB & CAROLINE KEARNEY" 
>To: 
>Subject: RED GRANGE AND THE 1926 NEW YORK YANKEES
>Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 05:27:36 -0500
>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000
>Got your E-mail from Google.  Do you have a team photo of the
>1926  players.  My father, Frank Kearney, Cornell, played lst team tackle
>with Red for that one season.
>Hope to hear from you,
>BOB KEARNEY
>STORMVILLE, NY

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 20:39:01 EST
Subject: Is this anyone's eBay ID?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Does anyone have the eBay ID "old-baseball"?  I only did a quick scan of the
directory and didn't see it, but I know many members don't list their IDs.

Please let me know if this is an OBCer.

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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:19:07 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Solicitation
From: "coop951" 

Hi All
I got this e mail and Im sure Im not the only one.  Any notes on this
guy?  Is he legit.  And how does everyone feel about people comming to
our site and soliciting ?
hey james--

have a # of cards from your wantlist, but am interested in
selling only.  would be happy to give you more detail if interested.
i am a private collector, not a dealer, so prices can be moderate
w/limited overhead.  thanks in advance for reading

joe  mcilvaine

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:36:40 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
To: coop951@optonline.net
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I, too, got a similar message from this individual.  My message had some
other info that wasn't in yours...

hey brian--

i took the liberty of scanning your wantlists and know that i can
help you with the 60's and 70's cards.  i am a private collector, not a
dealer, thereby allowing better prices w/limited overhead.  my primary
interest is selling, as i am trying to put 4 children through school, and the
additional income helps immensely.  if you'd like to further discuss, LMK and
we'll be more specific. my interest in collecting comes from 33 yrs of being
in pro bb and working in a myriad of positions from minor lg player to major
league GM.  currently i work for the minnesota twins.  so thanks in advance
for your consideration.

joe mcilvaine

Kind of interesting.  I haven't pursued anything with him, so I do not know
what type of person he is or if he is legit.

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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:38:36 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
To: coop951@optonline.net
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I, too, got a similar message from this individual.  My message had some
other info that wasn't in yours...

hey brian--

i took the liberty of scanning your wantlists and know that i can
help you with the 60's and 70's cards.  i am a private collector, not a
dealer, thereby allowing better prices w/limited overhead.  my primary
interest is selling, as i am trying to put 4 children through school, and the
additional income helps immensely.  if you'd like to further discuss, LMK and
we'll be more specific. my interest in collecting comes from 33 yrs of being
in pro bb and working in a myriad of positions from minor lg player to major
league GM.  currently i work for the minnesota twins.  so thanks in advance
for your consideration.

joe mcilvaine

Kind of interesting.  I haven't pursued anything with him, so I do not know
what type of person he is or if he is legit.

=================

Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:52:10 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
To: Toppsrun368@aol.com, coop951@optonline.net
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Ok I'm having a problem with this...Joe Mc used to be GM of the Mets, I find
it hard to believe that A- he is trying to unload his collection and B- that
he is having a hard time putting his kids through school.  The man is one of
the most respected evaluators of talent in the minor leagues in all of
baseball.  Also, somehow I think Joe might use a different font and check his
grammar (caps at the beginning of sentences).  Oh by the way...the name is
spelled McILVANE :)...

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:52:32 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Oh come on!  Some guy working for the Twins "discovers us"...   I wish I had
got the message.  I'd call the Twins office and ask to speak with Mr
McIlvaine.   Either its legit (and a cool story) or a fraud and the real guy
would be pretty p'o'ed at the one writing people.

----- Original Message -----
From: toppsrun368@aol.com
To: coop951@optonline.net
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation

I, too, got a similar message from this individual.  My message had some
other info that wasn't in yours...

hey brian--

i took the liberty of scanning your wantlists and know that i can
help you with the 60's and 70's cards.  i am a private collector, not a
dealer, thereby allowing better prices w/limited overhead.  my primary
interest is selling, as i am trying to put 4 children through school, and
the additional income helps immensely.  if you'd like to further discuss,
LMK and we'll be more specific. my interest in collecting comes from 33 yrs
of being in pro bb and working in a myriad of positions from minor lg player
to major league GM.  currently i work for the minnesota twins.  so thanks in
advance for your consideration.

joe mcilvaine

Kind of interesting.  I haven't pursued anything with him, so I do not know
what type of person he is or if he is legit.

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To: coop951@optonline.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 21:56:20 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" 

I've dealt with Joe a number of times.  His cards tend to be a little nicer
than the ones we usually buy, but he gives you a pretty good deal.  In the
past, he has sent large lots for me to look at before I had to send any
money.  He gets a definite thumbs up in my book.

>From: "coop951" 
>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Solicitation
>Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:19:07 -0000
>Hi All
>I got this e mail and Im sure Im not the only one.  Any notes on this
>guy?  Is he legit.  And how does everyone feel about people comming to
>our site and soliciting ?
>hey james--
>         have a # of cards from your wantlist, but am interested in
>selling only.  would be happy to give you more detail if interested.
>i am a private collector, not a dealer, so prices can be moderate
>w/limited overhead.  thanks in advance for reading
>joe  mcilvaine
>                                                 (jpmrhp@aol.com)

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Richmond VA show: Dec 11 - 13
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 22:35:27 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Is anyone from down south coming up for this show?  If so, let me know so Ican
make sure to have an OBC hat to give you.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC Holiday Gift Exchange Reminder
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 03:51:57 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" 

As per the request of a couple of you, I write to say:

DON'T FORGET TO SEND SOMETHING TO YOUR 'VICTIM'!

Of course, keep it reasonable, and make sure to get it in the mail with
plenty of time to arrive before Dec. 25.

Jeff Sackmann
http://www.jeffsackmann.com

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: solicitation
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 23:16:21 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

this is kit okamuro and joe is a very fair stand up guy. i just did major
deal with him and woulnt hesitate to do another one

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To: 
Subject: OTR Baseball CDs
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 21:18:23 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" 

The baseball CDs were mailed today to all members asking for them (see listbelow).
 Look for them at a mailbox near you!

-Dave Fallen

Dan Austin

Geordie Calvert

Jerry Coker

John Collins

Bob D'angelo

Sal Domino

Rick Ellison

Bob Farrell

Dave Hornish

Peter Iversen

Earl Kilbourn

Brian Lindholme

Gary Mandell

Peter Mead

Don Metz

Greg Miller

Howard Morgan

Grant Rainsley

Bob Saxton

Matt Shirley

Chris Stufflestreet

Mark S. Talbot

Neal Thomas

Geno Wagner

Marshall West

Mike Wierzbicki

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 04:24:47 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Joe Mcilvaine/ free stuffed NFL items/ Falcons/ Raiders/ Jeff
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
From: JPMRHP@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 12:46:04 EST
Subject: Re: $9
To: KeithSummers@webtv.net

hey keith--

i'll send you the 27 cards and you make the call--$9.00 or
$10.00.(or more if you're in a really generous mood).  i can assure you that
you will not be disappointed as they are all in nm-mint condition except the
1972 of ollie brown which has a slight crease in the middle.  when you
approve them send either cash or a check to:

mr. joe mcilvaine

4 tara way

tuckahoe, n. y.  10707
sound okay?

joe mcilvaine

=================

Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 12:56:23 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1962 Post Baseball for Trade
From: "jimbo777777" 

Inspired by the good luck that Bob Reed had with his Post Trading
Project, here's one from me:

I recently bought a big lot of '62 Post Baseball on ebay.  I needed
about 20 of them, figured I'd put the rest back on ebay myself.
These are a little more than I can afford to give away.

However, if anybody is up for a trade, I'd much prefer that.  Here's
what's available, all from the '62 Post Baseball:  3 12 13 14 16 17
18 19 24 27 30 33 34 39 40 41 43 48 53 58 59 62 68 70 71 72 73 76 78
85 87 89 94 95 96 98 104 106 107 109 112 117 118 120 124 128 129 132
133 136 139 141 142 146 147 150 160 161 162 171 172 181 183 184 185
186 187 190 194 196 197.

All in all, a pretty decent lot.  71 of the 200 in the set, some
stars, Mays, Koufax, Killebrew, Mathews, Cepeda included.  Condition
is generally in the VG range, some better some worse.  No real

Preference to anybody who can hit my '61, '62 or '63 Post baseball
sets, but all offers considered.

Thanks for listening!

Jim Beauchemin

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Cy Young pitching - all Caramel Cards
Date: 6 Dec 2002 09:08:09 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Hi guys,

I hate to be a nag, but I need some more price guide help if
you have time:

Last week I was asking the value of an E92 Dockman Cy Young,
to which I got a great response.  High book seemed to be pretty
consistant between $450 and $550.

What I'm trying to figure out now, is the different values of
all of the caramel cards that had that pose of Young on the front
(pitching, with Cleveland - kind of a side view, with an orange
background, not the portrait version showing Cy in his Boston
jersey).   I know there is at least one other E92, I think from
Nadja caramels, but I know that the same pose was also used for
the E90-1 American Caramel set, which may have a lesser book

I'm still trying to figure out which one it was that I saw at
the show the other weekend, but I'm going to try to find the
dealer again this weekend.  So far none of the values for any
variation of this card that I've found seem to be over $550,
so hopefully I can convince the guy that he has made a pricing
error and get him to come down.  His card was priced at $750,
though it was in very nice ex-mt or so....

Ah, good old card show impulses.

Have a good weekend,

=================

Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 17:13:20 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1962 Post/JELLO Trade (Revised)
From: "jimbo777777" 

Howdy folks,

I neglected a potentially important issue on my earlier trade post,
copied below.  Namely, I have no idea (nor any desire to learn) if
some of these may be Jello instead of Post.  My main set, and likely
some of these dupes, include both Jello and Post without
distinction.  So, to avoid any misunderstandings, please make clear
if that's an issue for you if/when responding.  Thanks!
Inspired by the good luck that Bob Reed had with his Post Trading
Project, here's one from me:

I recently bought a big lot of '62 Post Baseball on ebay.  I needed
about 20 of them, figured I'd put the rest back on ebay myself.
These are a little more than I can afford to give away.

However, if anybody is up for a trade, I'd much prefer that.  Here's
what's available, all from the '62 Post Baseball:  3 12 13 14 16 17
18 19 24 27 30 33 34 39 40 41 43 48 53 58 59 62 68 70 71 72 73 76 78
85 87 89 94 95 96 98 104 106 107 109 112 117 118 120 124 128 129 132
133 136 139 141 142 146 147 150 160 161 162 171 172 181 183 184 185
186 187 190 194 196 197.

All in all, a pretty decent lot.  71 of the 200 in the set, some
stars, Mays, Koufax, Killebrew, Mathews, Cepeda included.  Condition
is generally in the VG range, some better some worse.  No real

Preference to anybody who can hit my '61, '62 or '63 Post baseball
sets, but all offers considered.

Thanks for listening!

Jim Beauchemin

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 10:31:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: eBay F/G/P lots
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

50 Bowman lot of 22 for $1 + $5 s/h:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1978387332

52 Topps lot of 80+ with HOFs:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1978020085

And seeing is believing! Some Bill Henderson high numbers (55B) with a starting bid of $1 and no
Buy It Now!
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Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 13:48:15 EST
Subject: 1961 topps ebay lot
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i found a lot on ebay that would be a good way to start my
61 topps set- if i won this lot there wouldn't be too many cards i needed to
complete the set- this lot even has some hi #'!!!!!!--- eBay item   1977653615  (Ends   Dec-14-02 12:...

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:10:57 EST
Subject: Lost thanks and Pre-Thanks
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Thanks out to two people today...of course, in the holiday rush, I misplaced
one of the notes...I think it was Gary Mandell who sent along a bunch of
Steve Carlton cards. Thanks so much...

Next is a pre-thanks...Today, I got my OBC Santa item in the mail...sealed in
a large brown envelope with "This is okay to open" printed on it in familar
writing. I opened the outer layer to find that my secret Santa is none other
than the guru of OBC, Larry Tipton.

For those of you new to the group...Larry and I go way back...over a decade
now. Larry used to call me "The Kid" because back then, I was the youngest
OBCer by far. I started in OBC when I was still a teenager and now I just
turned 31!! Larry is also the first OBCer I met in person. I remember he came
into town from Oklahoma (where he used to live) and I took him to a couple of
shops, the last one he bought a bunch of off condition '60s cards if I
recall. It was a great time. I think I was Larry's secret Santa once too. So,
I have this nicely wrapped package with a very nice x-mas card already and I
have to wait 20 days!! Thank you Larry, You are still a great friend. I can't
wait till christmas morning!! I love OBC.

-Joshua (still "The Kid")

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 17:07:10 EST
Subject: Who was Scott Lusader- Tigers???
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i read an old baseball card magazine from the late 1980's
where a writer predicted that outfielder Scott Lusader of the Tigers was
going to be the next Al Kaline and to snatch up his rookie cards while they
were cheap- Any trader have any information on his major league career?- i
only have one card of him- 1989 topps # 487- in 16 games in which he appeared
with the Tigers in 1988 he was at bat 16 times and had 1 home run- oddly his
only hit in 16 at bats also- hardly the "next" Al Kaline- Was 1988 and those
16 games his only major league experience? Linda

=================

Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 18:00:32 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: 
Subject: card show
From: "Kent Montgomery" 

Hi all,=0D
Will anybody be attending the card show at the Expo Mart in Pittsburgh, PA
this weekend?  I just found out about it.  It will be tonight, Sat & Sun and
have approx 250 booths.=0D
The hours are Sat from 10-5 and Sun from 10-4.  If anyone will be there, let
me know. I'd love to meet you.=0D
Kent Montgomery=0D
=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Dues
Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 23:40:38 +0000
From: "jeff sinclair" 

Can someone please remind me who is to receive dues payment.

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Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:02:44 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Scott Lusader Career Statistics= 260AB/5HR/.246 avg 4/5 SBs
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
=================

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 13:56:45 EST
Subject: I have been a bad OBCer this year!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - While in the middle of the Holidays Season I realize I have been a bad
OBCer this year. I haven't participated as much as I use to in this group and
I really miss it! I didn't even sign up for the "Card Exchange" this year
because I feared I wouldn't have the time. I apologize to all of you for

I am sure I am not the only one concerned about our current economy and other
serious problems going on in our world. I am also sure, like me, others in
this group are being directly affected. As I type I wonder what the future
holds for my current position in U.S. Customs as we move into Homeland
Security and I read daily about plans to privatize government positions, the
loss of a pay raise, loss of locality pay and the overall rumors related to
the reorganization of the 22 federal agencies going into Homeland Security.
This is, of course, not as bad as other private companies such as United
Airlines where employees are facing the possibility of losing everything!

I have been traveling much more since 9/11 than I have in the past as a
matter of fact I have over 40,000 miles on United in little over a year's
time, I hope I can use the free tickets before something happen to the
mileage program. I have been asked to travel to Washington, DC frequently in
the next few months and cannot see the travel slowing down in the near
future. I know I will also be asked to travel foreign and that will not slow
down in the near future either. I am hoping the decisions about Homeland
Security will come soon and all the unknowns will be cleared up soon good or
bad. Perhaps then things will begin to return to normal for me and I will be
able to spend more time with OBC matters, I hope so because I really need the
stress relief!

On the good side of all of this, I have always had job security working for
U.S. Customs and I have a job I am proud to do. This job has provided
security for me and my family for over 30 years, with my 4 years military
service, I currently have 32 years of federal service. In four short years I
will be at the retirement age of 55 with 36 years federal service and should
receive at least 70% of by base pay as my retirement (if the pay plans remain
the same).

I learned recently my son Richard A. Ellison Jr. will be taking the test for
U.S. Customs Inspector on December 20th. He has made me very proud by doing
this and has worked hard to position himself to follow in my foot steps! I
know my family is in much better shape than many families in this great
country and I am thankful for that.

The bottom line to this Morganti like Rambling (sorry Ken) is I hope to begin
again to be very active in this group and I know my dupes box has cards than
would be better served in new homes!  My early New Year's resolution is to
become more active in OBC and hopefully to become as active as I was in the
early years!

Thanks for reading and Happy Holidays to every one of you!

Another Baseball Quote:

"We're given a choice. We can either run around the field three times or
around Tommy Lasorda once."

------Steve Sax on spring training workouts, 1984

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:34:03 EST
Subject: Traveling Again
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - I will be on travel starting tomorrow Sunday December 8th and will not
return until Sunday December 15th. I hope to begin to be more active upon my

Another Baseball Quote:

"Tommy's the only manager in the major leagues who uses a fork for a letter

-----Rick Monday

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 14:58:33 EST
Subject: Supreme Availables-Roe vs Wade
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i have a few availables including 2 Brooklyn Dodgers-
Preacher Roe and Ben Wade
1952 topps # 66- Preacher Roe
Smokey Bear /Forest Service-California Dept. of Forestry &
Fire Prevention - A Century of Dodger Greats # 56- Preacher Roe
Target Dodgers # 824- Ben Wade- Brooklyn Dodger-(wish i
had his 52 card for my set!)
1933 Goudey # 146 Walter Stewart
1959 topps # 403- Clem Labine-Brooklyn Dodger
1959 topps # 450 - Eddie Mathews
1953 topps # 37- Eddie Mathews- (his 52 topps card is
my most wanted card)        1965 topps # 130 - Al Kaline
1952 topps # 109- Ted Wilks
1955 topps # 177- Jim Robertson
Smokey Bear/Forest Service- A Century of Dodger
Greats -# 20- Thomas McCarthy- this guy played for the Dodgers and was
inducted into the Hall Of Fame in 1946- but didn't he manage the Yankees at
one time too when Babe Ruth was playing???                  `
oddball card ? Nate Colbert- -One of
Baseball's Greatest Moments- a rectangular topps card with a black and white
deckle edge pic and a color head shot of the player to the left of it-card
has black background and borders & has a newspaper article on the back-  # 28
0f 55 cards- wasn't this some kind of topps test issue?

=================

Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:08:40 EST
Subject: 62 Post Mantle #5 - Help Wanted
To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: smartalecx@aol.com

I hope someone can help me here.  I just received this card, and it appears
to be on thicker stock than normal and seems a bit faded. The way the card
was trimmed, there is a small white border around the entire card.  Looking
at the SCD, it indicates that the Mantle and Maris cards were also issued as
a special insert in Life (?) magazine, that it had a white border, but that
there should be writing on the back.  The card I have has no writing.

Of course, I hope there is some simple explanation for this that some of you
super sleuths can provide.  I am concerned that this card may not be what it
seems, and before I send any payback, want to be certain.  (If a scan is the
only way I can get an  answer, I can try to get one next week).

any help would be appreciated.

tnx, gary mandell

=================

To: 
Subject: Legit size variations on E92 cards?
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:22:08 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Hi all,

Well, in follow-up to my post of yesterday, yes, I did splurge and purchasethat
1909 E92 Dockman Cy Young card I had been asking about at the show I went
to today.   Now I have another question.  I have already talked to OBC's
resident guru on Caramel cards, Andy Cook, and am now just seeking otheropinions.

My question is:  what (if any) are the legitimate size variations for E92 issue
cards?  The "standard" size is listed to be 1.5 inches horizontal by 2.75
inches tall.  I had a bad moment when I first got home and measured this
Young, and thought I had purchased a trimmed card.  But then I realized that
the card was bowing slightly and wasn't pressed flat when I first measured
it.   After ensuring that it was flat, I did get the horizontal measurement
(1.5 inches) to come up right, but I'm not completely sure about the vertical
measurement.  Sometimes when I measure it, it looks okay, but othertimes
a bit off.  If it is off, then it is by only 1/32 of an inch at most.
I have heard that some minor size discrepancies in older tobacco and caramel
cards can be common, but I didn't know if there were any specific rules
for the E92 set.   Andy and I both agreed that we have sometimes seen these
cards 1/8 of an inch taller than they are supposed to be, but I didn't know
what to think about it in this case.  Should I worry about this card being
1/32 off one way if it is, or am I just being my normal, anal, condition-snob
self?  I would just hate to know that I purchased a card that is definately
trimmed.  Card is EX+ - E/M otherwise......

Any info. would be much appreciated.

-- John
=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Goudey Babe Ruth
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:47:45 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Anyone have an idea why there was no Babe Ruth in the 1934 Goudey set?
There were 4 in the 1933 set and 1 (or 1/4) in the 35 set.  Also in 34 there
was a Ruth premium, but no regular card of the most popular BB player?!?!?
Perhaps Goudey figured that kids would keep trying to by cards to get the
Ruth?  They did a similar trick the year before by not issuing the #106.

Anyone know the true story?

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 00:25:27 EST
Subject: I think you all should know this
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
From: XDrJ@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 12:52:33 EST
Subject: Doug and Steve...from John Ball
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net

Dear Steve and Doug...

Please forgive my inactivity.  I have been in a battle with cancer.  We
thought we had it beat a year ago, but it has reappeared (colon and possibly

I undergo surgery on Tuesday, with more chemo to follow.

Please place me on the disabled list for a while.   Thank you friends.

OBC is good!

...doc J   (curator of Gus stuff)

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 01:45:02 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I think you all should know this
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

He has mine and my Family's prayers and please let me know if any thing else
is needed! I will check in when I return.

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Availables from Scotland
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:16:30 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

Hey Guys!

I've been having a bit of success of late on Ebay, which has resulted in a
number of dupes cluttering up my shelves. There's some pretty good stuff
here that I'm sure will get some attention. Let me know what you want, and
I'll try to guarantee that everyone gets something - even if that may only
mean a card or two.

Christmas post being what it is, these might take a while to get to you, but
they will make it eventually.

Have at them, my conspicuous cardboarding comrades!

Glenn Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

1960 Fleer - #58 Gehringer
1961 Fleer - #15 Cochrane
1963 Post #46 Norm Cash (definitely a Post, not a Jell-O)
'69T Deckle Edge - #8(McLain) and #9(Horton)
'70T Story Book #6 (Freehan)
1960T - 234,280,406,501,507
1961T - 219,220,222,226,230,256,261,267,270,278,289,341,356,368,377,442,447
1963T - 159,372,404
1964T - 20,30,141,214,253,321,322,362,554,555
1965T - 480
1966T - 204,270,449,473,480,487,493,494,501,502,521
1972T - 742,774,782
1977T - 450(Rose)

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:05:18 EST
Subject: Availables
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

Like Glenn Codere, I have been winning quite a few auctions on Ebay lately
and I am sending about 20 packages out to OBCers tomorrow. After compiling
all those cards, I still have a few more that are looking for good homes.
Have at 'em.

1954    Topps # 's  28vg  76vg

1955 Topps #'s  116vg  129g  141vg

1958    # 445vg

1963 # 's 24vg   65vg   96vg  105vg  106g  108f-g (Wilhelm)  114vg  116g
124vg   127vg   134g   140g-vg   143g   147f  157f-g   163g(Larsen)   166f
168vg    220vg    Post 20vg  198vg   198f(writing)

1965    #'s 14ex  594vg

1966 #'s 78g  137vg

1967    #'s 31g  75vg-ex  120vg  183g-vg

1968    #'s 99nm (Colavito) 105vg   208ex  461ex 461vg  474vg  482ex-nm
482vg   511f   518vgcl

1969 #'s 45f(Stained - Wills)  53vg   60g   62f   88g  112g  115vg  194g
217g   266g   384g   501vg

1970    #'s 38vg

1971 #'s 374vg(Clete Boyer)

1972 #'s 88ex (Killerbew, F. Robinson)

1973 #'s 66g (Carlton LL)

1974 #'s 544T ex

1975 #'s 309vg (Brock League Leader card - Stolen Bases)   331g (Indians with
manager F. Robinson )  331g (Indians with manager F. Robinson ) 461vg (R.
Jackson WS)  466 ex (R. Jackson WS)

1976 #'s 197vg (Stolen Base Leaders - Lopes, Morgan, Brock)  201vg (ERA
Leaders - Jones, Messersmith, Seaver)  408f
Topps Traded   Checklist  f    85Tex  127Tex  208Tf-g   211Tg   250Tex (F.
Jenkins)   259Tex   309Tg   380Tex(Bobby Bonds)   385Tg(Lolich)  434Tvg
464Tg   525Tvg   554Tf

1983 Fleer # 200nm (Yaz)

1985 # 132nm (Dale and Yogi Berra)

1989 Fleer #258 (Mattingly)     1988 Topps All-Star Game Commem. Set # 11nm
(Bobby Doerr - Captain)

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 14:54:54 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I think you all should know this
To: TraderDoug@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

John and all...as with all my friends, my thoughts and prayers are with
you...take care...

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 16:36:54 EST
Subject: Foreign Issue Help Needed
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Does anyone have any information or history on a 272 card set issued in 1932
in Germany by Bulgaria Zigaretten-Fabrik? It is entitled "Sports Photos". Any
idea of the set's history or value?  It only features one baseball player but
has many other athletes, both American and European.

I appreciate any help.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Any idea on football pennants?
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:10:39 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" 

I went through a friend of mine's recently re-found childhood collection - which
is always fun. I identified everything he had except 10 felt footballpennants.
They measure 9 inches by 4 inches. His cards are from 1965 to 1969.
He had a number of 1968 Topps football and a few earlier Philadelphias.The
teams on the pennents include the St Louis Cardinals and New Orleans Saints.
Each pennant is a different color and the writing is geneerally in 2colors.
The pennants have the team insignia on the left and the team name on
two lines to the right. I don't have a football memorabilia guide.
Any idea what he has?
George Vrechek

=================

Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 23:30:42 EST
Subject: 33 goudey with odd looking rubber stamp
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i bid on and won this 33 Goudey on ebay because of the odd
looking rubber stamp on the back of it- check out the scan of the back of
this card the seller put up- anybody know anything about the rubber stamp on
the back??? eBay item   1976561869  (Ends   Dec-08-02 20:... - thanks, Linda

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hostess Twinkies Collectors
Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 00:01:32 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

There's a big lot of 76+2 Hostess Twinkie Cards on ebay for those that are

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1977926110

Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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To: , 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 33 goudey with odd looking rubber stamp
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 08:08:48 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I've seen Goudeys with simliar stamps, never seen them on Topps or Bowman
though.  I guess that stamp sets were popular in the 30's and kids used them
to identify their cards.

-----Original Message-----
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com [mailto:jazzgirl1920s@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:31 PM
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 33 goudey with odd looking rubber stamp

hi- this is Linda- i bid on and won this 33 Goudey on ebay because of the
looking rubber stamp on the back of it- check out the scan of the back of
this card the seller put up- anybody know anything about the rubber stamp on
the back??? eBay item   1976561869  (Ends   Dec-08-02 20:... - thanks, Linda

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ebay and income tax reporting?
Date: 9 Dec 2002 07:36:41 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Hi all,

Quick question for those of you who sell stuff occasionally on
ebay as well as buy:  How do you handle income tax reporting?
I know that any true "profit" made from selling something on
ebay technically should be reported as such on Schedule C of
your income tax return.  I also know that if you sold something
at a loss it isn't taxable.

My basic problem is lack of organization and remembering this
at the last minute.  I have sold several high dollar cards on
ebay this year ($300 or more...) but I don't exactly have good
records of how much I paid for each card and how much I subsequently
sold it for.  I would guess that my total ebay sales this past
year were somewhere between $1500 and $2500.  I guess I could
go back through my entire ebay account history and list how much
each item sold for.  But then again, other than memory, I don't
have any hard evidence as to whether I sold certain cards for
a profit or loss.   Any advice on how to report my profit?  Should
I just "guesstimate" it, or can I get in trouble for that? (Any
of you lawyer types out there feel free to answer that one....)

I know that someone with my income has like a 1 in 100 chance
of being audited, but I just want to try to do this right.  Would
appreciate it if anyone out there has a good opinion.

-- John

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:57:04 EST
Subject: Ft. Washington Report
To: JGreco@us.imshealth.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

Hi gang,
I made a short trip south this weekend (short in time, not mileage) to take
in the card show and meet up with a few of the guys. This report should be
equally brief, but I'm not guaranteeing anything 
Actually, I wasn't supposed to make the trip at all. The Pats had a home
game on Sunday (I'm a season ticket holder) and I've had to work the last 800
Friday nights in a row (when I wasn't on vacation anyway.) A couple things
changed my plans however. Anyone who plowed through my last lengthy rambling
may recall that a few people at work were fired/suspended for smoking on the
sales floor and/or stealing while I weas on vacation. As a result of this,
the night crew chief ended up getting transferred to another store
(supposedly for 'allowing this all to happen'). His regular night off waas
Friday and the new chief prefers Wednesdays (my regular night off). I was
happy to trade in my night for Fridays (although we have yet to convince the
grocery manager of this fact, since we've had to swap nights off after the
schedule gets posted). Since Saturday nights are optional, that freed up my
weekend except for the aforementioned football game. That only meant that a
lack of funding was stopping me from visiting. Problem solved on Wednesday
with the delivery of a check from my insurance company. This was to cover the
cost of repairs following the theft of my car a couple months ago. After all
was said and done, I had to spend almost two grand to get the car back and
operational again. The check was for $550. Let's see... try to pay off the
repair/rental debt or buy cards? Hmmm... I thought long and hard for almost
ten seconds and decided to pack up the car (now professionally cleaned, but I
still can't get the passenger side door to open).
So Friday morning comes and I'm cleaning up my aisle and putting up a few
cases of backstock. I notice on a few of the cat food cans that there's some
(mouse) droppings. Two weeks ago I noticed the same thing and that there was
a small hole in the wall in back of where my pallet was parked in the back
room. The hole was still covered up, so that meant that the problem wasn't
coming from the wall... On the bottom of my overstock pile was a case of
travel meals that I hadn't touched in months - because not only did we no
longer carry the item, but it didn't sell when it WAS on the shelf. I kicked
the case and saw a little head pop up and back into the case. I dragged it
out back and took a broom to open the lid of the case and saw about six mice
scatter to all corners of the back room. One tried to run back onto the sales
floor, but met an untimely end - or to be specific, the very timely end of my
broom. I was very happy to be getting away from work that morning. A five+
hour drive was a welcome respite from cleaning mouse [excrement] off of cat
food cans.
Before I left for the trip, I had to call the EZ Pass line to see what the
story was with my account. On my last trip to my aunt's house in NY, I kept
getting a low balance light at the tolls. The rep on the phone explained that
it was because I changed the credit card info online and I had a negative
balance. Wasn't the point of changing the credit card information to pay off
what I owed them? Anyway, she said she could make a deposit from my credit
card and fix it then. Just before I hang up, she says "Now you can't use your
EZ Pass for 24-32 hours until the computer updates your account." Fantastic!
Ten minutes before I'm headed out the door to use my pass, I find out I can't
use it on the trip.
I arrived at the Greco's house around 6 PM and decided not to make the
additional trek to the show for just a couple hours. Instead, I watched a
movie, which was apropriately entitled "Mouse Hunt". The next morning, I was
up early in anticipation of the only day I would get to browse the bargain
boxes. To my surprise, Steve Rittenberg (who was also staying at Joe's) did
not leave at sunrise in order to get to the show when the doors opened. (I
guess that's because he got in BEFORE the doors opened by helping one of the
dealers set up.) This allowed time for me to cross off a few cards on the
wantlist and eat some breakfaast before we both headed down for the show.
Once inside, I really didn't do a lot of looking and only purchased one
card - a 1952 Topps Jackie Robinson high number that was (although not
officially) on my variation list. Now I only need one more DP high number
with the stitching on the baseball going towards the bio. (It's the card
pictured on my home page ;-)) I ran into Rob Gioia and it was getting close
to noontime, so we headed over to the dining area for the swap. There Rob and
I met up with Howard, Steve, Richard Kimball, Ed Schott, Brett, Tim Newcombe,
Robert Pigeon and OBC candidate Matt Heilenman (I hope I didn't leave out
anyone!) I brought along my binder with the 'by request only set' in it and
managed to destroy most of my wantlist. Big thanks to all the guys mentioned
previously for the pleasure of their company and more thanks to Steve, Rob,
Brett, Robert, Ed and Joe Greco for hitting my list. The pages in my binder
are filling up fast! Steve also added two sets to my list: 1962 and 1963 Post
cereal. I haven't looked at the starter sets he gave me (a team bag full of
each), but it's safe to send almost anything if you are so inclined. No
condition requirements on these, since I'd be willing to bet that most of the
cards Steve gave me have writing on them... plus they look like they were cut
from a box of cereal by a ten year old. But isn't that how they're SUPPOSED
to look? After the show, most of us headed out for pizza and still more card
swapping. A good time was had by all and I look forward to the next show in
March. Thanks for reading. TAYL,

Ken M

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: MAIL CALL!!!!!
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:29:39 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

OK...OK.....Pipe down at the back there!!! Awright...listen up for....HEY!
Knock off da funny stuff..... listen up for your name......when you hear it,
step forward and stand to attention......here goes:

Fitak....... Dammit, Fitak! How many times do I have to tell you to stay out
of the Men's Quarters!

Men...and you too Fitak.....you have all proved yourselves worthy of
receiving dispatches from OBC's Eastern Front. The European Theatre of OBC
operations can at times be a desert in card terms, but on rare occasions
wondrous slivers of cardboard can emanate from it's cold and stormy shores.
As we speak, a number of these small, precious cargoes are winging their
over the briny sea by pigeon post (Robert got me a 10% discount! Good man!)
and will soon be finding their way into all of your hot, sweaty little
palms.....all, that is, except for Major Shirley! Young Mr. Shirley took it
on himself to turn up late with his request for a single card... one which
had already been dispatched! I was forced to pull up his want list to try to
find something for him, but could I? NO! Nada. Nuttin'. A big zero!

DO YOU REALISE HOW ROTTEN YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL, MR.SHIRLEY!!!!

As a punishment for making me feel bad, Mr Shirley, you are hereby sentenced
to 1 week hard labor at Fort Rainsley, OBC's purpose-built prison camp
located on a hellish, God-forsaken island in the bitterly cold Canadian
wilderness. May God have mercy on your soul.

And just what the hell are you grinnin' at, Rainsley?

Enjoy the cards, guys!

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fort Washington report
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 18:59:29 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Hopefully this report will take less time to read than it was to live (4 days).
The "weekend" for me started at 6:45 AM Friday when I woke up and packed
clothes and finished updating my wantlist. Then I printed it out.  And printed
out Ken's.  Ken refuses to bring his own list to the show so being a
compulsive caretaker, I print it out for him and keep a copy for myself so
I can find him more cards.  I headed out a little after 9am.   Those who've
been to the show might remember that the doors open at 5pm.  Why the [heck]
am I leaving to make a 150 mile drive so early?  Because I thought maybe
I'd get even MORE bargains if I showed up when the dealers did at noon.  Actually
I showed up at 11:30.  Picked up my dealer badge from Nick Kirksey
at 12:30 and helped him unload his van at 1pm.   To kill time, I went to an
Eddie Bauer warehouse sale being held at that other hall in the convention
center.   I bought a few pairs of pants to replace the ones I am destroying
right now.   My gut hangs out so the pants end up being too long and I ruin
the cuffs.  Either I could lose weight, get suspenders or buy new pants.
So I bought new pants...     Anyway, turns out I only needed to help Nick
for an hour.  After that I was free to sniff out the good deals before anyone
else.   Problem was, there weren't that many.   Mike Wheat's half price
box was pretty thin, quality wise.   No pre-war and very little else.  To
make things worse, I dropped a big pile of cards onto the floor where they
landed in a pile of sawdust.  I spent half my time at the table covertly sweeping
the sawdust off of the cards.   I was never kicked out so I don't think
Mike ever figured this out.   Following the dollar box, I asked him about
other beat up stuff.   I went through the rest  of his stuff and founda
few cards but nothing exciting.   Some blue backs in terrible shape and some
1921 exhibit Red Sox.   Since my list is so short and hard to hit, I figure
I should carry around someone else's at this show.   It keeps me frombuying
up EVERY good deal though there weren't that many at this show.   Ifound
some cheap T206s from extremely OBC friendly dealer Ron Barrett.  3 of
them were actually on Doug Smith's 13 card wantlist!!   Also got a cheapT206
Crawford (DS for Moleta).  A dealer with an up and coming reputation for
OBCers is Walt Edwards.  He told me he appreciates all the guys I bringover
to his tables.   I picked up an awful 60 Mantle from him plus a few other
goodies.  At other tables, I found some cheap (?) 35 Goudey 4-in-1s.  $5
a piece seemed cheap to me.  If I decide to build that set cut in four, I
wonder if I will cut all these up.   Its just the same as buying the pieces
at $1 each, isn't it?   I finished off Mac Wubben's 54 Topps set except for
the O'Brien brothers.  Man -- that card is tough!  OBCers I saw on Friday
were Tim Newcomb, who flew in on his private jet for a weekend of buyingcheap
cards and Wayne Delia.  Wayne was talking to a guy about all these wonderful
things I've done for him over the years though I actually rememberdoing
none of them.   Hahaha.   I had the usual dinner at the chinese restaurant
and then picked up some bananas for my Sat breakfast and some gingerale
for the Grecos.  I've started staying with Joe Greco, ex OBCer.  He used
to live jsut a mile from the show but now with three kids, two dogs and two
cats, they've moved out to the country.   I got there and found Ken, who
didn't miss much anyway.
We woke up Saturday AM, elevated our sugar levels with Krispy Kremes (flavor
of the month, chocolate glazed butterfat) and left for the show.  The bananas
I had bought the night before were still in my car.   Now they could be
used as deadly weapons as they were hard as hammers.   Ken and I came up with
murder scenarios on the way to the show.  I think I'll kill someone with
a frozen banana and then eat the evidence.   Ken will kill someone with an
icicle and then let the evidence melt away.   We got to the show and the"good
parking lot" was already full.  I flashed my dealer (dealer scum bagto
Ed Schott) badge and said I had to drop some stuff off.  The "stuff" was
Ken.  Fortunately the bluff worked and we were saved a long trek to the show.
Card wise, not much to find there.   Bill Henderson didn't have his best
stuff but did put out a box of stars at $1 each.  I found stuff like a68
Aaron all star in there.   And he was trying to get rid of his 50s crapat
$1 each.   No more 52s or 50 bowman low numbers any more!!   I had all I
could handle in my (misnamed) dupes box so I didn't buy any of the thousands
of 53s through 56s he had there.   Sunday I went back with a wantlist from
Spike & from Jim Hatch and did minor damage to their lists.   As I justto
Rob Gioia, the best part of the show these days is meeting up with OBCers.
Others started parading in around noon.  I got to the tables and found
Ken, Brett (a surprise appearance), Bob Pigeon, Fugitive and his pre-rookie
buddy Matt, Ed Schott (another surprise) and Rob.   Tim Newcomb and travelling
Howard Morgan also made brief appearances.   We sat down and the cards
started flying.   I got a great box of non sport from Fugitive, mainly made
up of Garbage Pail Kids.   Does that count as UV?  I'll have to check. Ken
took a stack of 69s from my box and repaid me with a 75 Ryan.  ThanksKen!!
I gave Brett a Cracker Jack Three Finger Brown and he needled me about
how much dealer scum activity I'm into these days.  I think I collected$$
from most at the table but I also gave them cards worth the same as what
I gave them.  End of insecure defensive rambling.  I wish I could either (a)
stop buying card I don't need or (b) afford to give them all away but I'm
unable (unwilling?) to do either one.   Fugitive still needed a few commons
from a few sets so I took his list and found them for him, completing his
'69 & '79 sets.   I couldn't do the same for Brett who still needs two 55
Bowmans (#244 Pillette and #260 Ump).   I also knocked off most of my 1975
& 1976 set, helped Rob Gioia with his set and nearly completed the 1975 &1977
sets for Glenn.   Finally this long day ended and we headed over to the
local pizzeria.   Ken and I got there first since we had a short trip tothe
car and ordered three pies for 7 of us.  It would have been exactly right
if there had been eight but we didn't realize Bob Pigeon couldn't make it
for dinner.   After dinner, I went to the car and brought out my boxes for
a bit more "swapping".   Who knows (who cares?) what its called.  Peoplegot
cards.   I told everyone how Brett refused 85% of 51 Al Rosen card so he
tore up another card from my box as a lesson for me to keep my big mouthshut.
Ken and I drove back to Joe's house.   Still more cards went flying.
Joe Greco still has the OBC spirit.  Any card in his house is available
to me or Ken.  That often includes ones from his sets!!   Joe graciously pulled
out FOUR T206s which will go to Doug Smith, including a McGraw & a Merkle.
I'll get an electronic copy of Joe's list so that everyone can payhim
back.   Joe gave Ken a bunch of 69s.  Actually, Joe was asleep at the time.
Ken found an album with stars in it and pulled out all the 69s he needed.
I did the same with 74s / 75s / 76s / 1980.   I should have done it
sooner and saved myself some money!!   But now my 1980 (#2) set is done and
my 1975 & 1976 lists are pretty short.   Ken and I also cracked open boxes
of Topps 2003.  I got a DUD box.  Half the card didn't have the gold foil
stamping on them so I have to send them back.   #&*#$*&#$
Move forward to Sunday.  As far as I knew, I'd be the only one at the show.I
was standing at a table talking to a dealer when a woman came up and said
"stay right here!  don't move"   A few minutes later, Bob Pigeon came over.
The woman was his wife, which I had forgotten.   I also saw Tim Newcomb
again.   He picked up a really cool Tris Speaker card which I probably should
have bought previously but I didn't want to spend the money.  Another thing
to regret.   I think Howard was back again as well but I never saw him.
I still managed to spend money at the show, buying up star cards for my
THIRD 1975 set, finishing Doug Smith's 1971 set and finding a few others.As
part of my deal for getting in early, I agreed to help a dealer breakhis
table down and pack up.  I thought it would just take an hour but it was
2 1/2 hours.   ugh.    Of some consolation is that I walked around grabbing
all the 800 count boxes that dealers had abandoned.   Also when a dealer
left behind his tape dispenser, I picked it up and sold it to another dealer
for $5.   Not much with cards happened Sunday night.  I hoped to buy Joe
Greco's 1981 OPC set from him but he wouldn't do it.  Instead he gave me all
hsi 81 OPC dupes (about 20 of them).   He also let me take all of his 75
Topps dupes -- enough to start set #3.   Now I need ANOTHER Ryan, Brett RC
& Yount RC.   I suppose that is cheaper than starting a pre-war set.  This
morning I left Joe's house at five so I could make it in time for DC rushhour
traffic.  DOH!!   I thought the plumber would come to fix my leaky pipe
today but no such luck.   While bringing everything in from the car, I found
a pile of OBC hats that Ken had left.  Double DOH!!   We keep leaving crap
in each others car.   Im not sure if that means that now I'll be mailing
out hats or if there will be another delay while I get the hats back to Ken.
How about this -- leaving aside Glenn and Tom Williams, how about wehave
Geno drop the hats off on one of his flights!  Drop shipping always worked
on Hogan's Heroes, didn't it?

That's it for now.  I need to go and put away my cards and clean up this damn
house.   If you've read this whole note, you must have more free time than
even me!  hahaha

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:20:22 EST
Subject: New Wantlist URL
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I wasn't sure who got the e-mail for an update to the website, but I have
finally switched over my wantlist from my old screenname to my new one.  The
new URL is: http://hometown.aol.com/toppsrun368/myhomepage/index. If that
change could be made on the site and directory, I would greatly appreciate

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 21:49:11 EST
Subject: Going Away
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Just a quick note to the general OBC population that I will be leaving for
Atlanta this Wednesday and returning next Tuesday.  I won't be able to
acknowledge any cards until then but appreciate them just the same.  I may be
able to check in on e-mail one or two of those days, depending if we stop
over real quick in Maryland at my aunt's house.

=================

Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 22:11:26 EST
Subject: 1959 Armour Coins
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Anybody doing 1959 Armour Coins...I came into 3 OBC type coins (rust,
scratches) but all legible and up for grabs:

Cerv A's Blue
Kuenn Tigers Yellow
OBC's own Frank Thomas Pirates Red

=================

Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:06:25 EST
Subject: Fwd: SOS
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC member leads big band; seeks audience :)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:22:31 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" 

Hello OBC-

In my spare time when not accumulating cards and telling you who to send
your OBC Santa package to, I lead an 18-piece jazz orchestra.  The reason I
tell you this now is that this orchestra will be performing in New York City
on Dec. 16th and 17th (next Monday and Tuesday), and I know that several of
you live in or around NYC.

So, if you're not in NYC, be proud of me and move on...

BUT...If you're in or near NYC, come see the show!  You'll love it!

Here are the details:

Date: Monday, Dec. 16, and Tuesday, Dec. 17
Time: Sets at 8 & 10 PM
Place: 20/20 Lounge, 20 Warren St. between Church & Broadway.
Subway: A, 2 & 3 to Chambers St.
Cover: $7

You can read more about the band at my website: http://www.jeffsackmann.com.
There are also some mp3 files at that site, as well as CDs for sale.

I really hope to meet a few of you--

Jeff S.

Jeff Sackmann
http://www.jeffsackmann.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 04:23:18 EST
Subject: You gotta read the worst ever!!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

> PRILEP, Yugoslavia (AP) - Outside a small Macedonian village close to the
border between Greece and strife-torn Yugoslavia, a lone Catholic nun keeps a
quiet watch over a silent convent. She is the last caretaker of the site of
significant historical developments spanning more than 2,000 years.
> When Sister Maria Cyrilla of the Order of the Perpetual Watch dies, the
convent will be closed by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Macedonia.
However, that isn't likely to happen soon, as Sister Maria, 53, enjoys
excellent health. By her own estimate, she walks 10 miles daily about the

of the convent, which once served as a base for the army of Attila the Hun.
> In more ancient times, a Greek temple to Eros, the god of love, occupied
the hilltop site. Historians say that Attila took over the old temple in 439
A.D. and used it as a base for his marauding army.
> The Huns are believed to have first collected and then destroyed a large
gathering of Greek legal writs at the site. It is believed that Attila wanted
to study the Greek legal system, and had the writs and other documents
brought to the temple. Scholars differ on why he had the valuable
documents destroyed -- either because he was barely literate and couldn't
read them, or because they provided evidence of democratic government that
did not square with his own notion of rule by an all-powerful tyrant.
> When the Greek church took over the site in the 15th Century and the
convent was built, church leaders ordered the pagan statue of Eros destroyed,
so another ancient Greek treasure was lost. Today, there is only the lone
sister, watching over the old Hun base.
> And that's how it ends: No Huns, no writs, no Eros, and nun left on base.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: 1973 Blue team checklists
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:24:36 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Hi everyone.  At one point a year ago, an OPC version was floating around from
person to person.  I think at one point I had it, and so may have Mike Rich,
Dan Austin and Mark Talbot.  If anyone knows where it has ended up, let
me know.  I figure I can put it into my team card collection.

For the rest of you, I'm going to put together a set of the Topps version, preferably
unchecked, for my team card collection.  Any finds will be reciprocated.

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:59:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Guess what's in the news today?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

It looks like Mr. Rose and Mr. Selig are
talking...here's a link to the story:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20021210/ap_on_sp_ba_ne/bbo_rose_selig_5

Whether you feel the ban on Rose was justified or not,
I still feel that he belongs in Cooperstown alongside
former teammates Bench, Seaver, Morgan, Perez, Schmidt
and his old manager Sparky.

The interesting thing is that while the baseball world
was following Rose, there was a high-profile
investigation into heavy drug use by players.  I
remember the hearings had guys like Dave Parker and
Keith Hernandez testifying about their involvement.
To the best of my knowledge, none of the players who
came forward were ever punished, but a few years
later, MLB saw to it that the game's all-time hits
leader get sacked because of possible allegations of

This means that if Rose had been spending the
mid-1980s freebasing coke instead of talking with his
bookie, I wouldn't be writing this today.  That just
seems odd.  When "Charlie Hustle" was closing in on Ty
Cobb's record, he helped fuel the rise in the hobby; I
remember the first card show (still called a
"convention" then) in 1985...and seeing cards of Pete
Rose at every table.  He was very good for the hobby
at a time when it had just come out of a slump

He wasn't a powerful hitter like Willie Stargell, and
he wasn't blessed with speed like Lou Brock.  But when
Pete Rose took the field, he always played at 100%.
The ran out every play and wasn't afraid to break up a
double play -- even after his 40th birthday.  He more
than made up for his deficiencies with raw
determination.  Hopefully, the HMWICs of major league
baseball will realize that if any player deserves to
be in the HOF, it's Rose.

I'll get off my soapbox now.

Take care,

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:21:54 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: MAIL CALL!!!!!
From: "mshirley_2000 " 

To all,
I have obviously wronged the old (he called me young, he's three
weeks older than me. I recall some great conversations a couple of
years ago when WE turned 40!) commander of the European theatre of
OBC Ops and therefore will attempt reparations by sending him a card
or two or four. Glenn should then no longer feel rotten, but WORSE!
HA! He's lucky he's considered a good friend or I might make
reparations the Marine Corps way! ;)

And little does he know that Grant and I already have a plan for the
future. Mayor, and Chief of Security for the Mayor, of Brady, Texas.
Fort Rainsley will become the official summer house (of pain).

Glenn, I'll also take a starter set of any 50's year prior to 58 if
it will make you feel better. Hee Hee.

Ya'll have a great Christmas!!!
Semper Fi,

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Glenn Codere"
 wrote:
> OK...OK.....Pipe down at the back there!!! Awright...listen up
> Knock off da funny stuff..... listen up for your name......when you
hear it,
> step forward and stand to attention......here goes:
> Cook
> Corvello
> Dwyer
> Fitak....... Dammit, Fitak! How many times do I have to tell you to
stay out
> of the Men's Quarters!
> Gersbach
> Greenwood
> Isaac
> Knowles
> Lindholme
> Luurs
> Mandell
> Mead
> Rainsley
> Shirley
> Men...and you too Fitak.....you have all proved yourselves worthy of
> receiving dispatches from OBC's Eastern Front. The European Theatre
of OBC
> operations can at times be a desert in card terms, but on rare
> wondrous slivers of cardboard can emanate from it's cold and stormy
> As we speak, a number of these small, precious cargoes are winging
> over the briny sea by pigeon post (Robert got me a 10% discount!
Good man!)
> and will soon be finding their way into all of your hot, sweaty
> palms.....all, that is, except for Major Shirley! Young Mr. Shirley
took it
> on himself to turn up late with his request for a single card...
one which
> had already been dispatched! I was forced to pull up his want list
to try to
> find something for him, but could I? NO! Nada. Nuttin'. A big zero!
> DO YOU REALISE HOW ROTTEN YOU'RE MAKING ME FEEL, MR.SHIRLEY!!!!
> As a punishment for making me feel bad, Mr Shirley, you are hereby
> to 1 week hard labor at Fort Rainsley, OBC's purpose-built prison
> located on a hellish, God-forsaken island in the bitterly cold
> wilderness. May God have mercy on your soul.
> And just what the hell are you grinnin' at, Rainsley?
> Enjoy the cards, guys!
> Glenn

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 20:52:59 -0500
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Question for Hostess collectors...brown/black backs
From: Dan Austin 

A few months ago, I decided to embark upon on one of those insane quests,
when I added the black and brown back variations of the 1976 and 1979
Hostess sets to my wantlist.  (Am I the only one in the group doing these
variations?)  Up until today, I had never seen a brown back from any of the
other sets.  I now have 4 '78 Brown backs.  This makes me wonder if there
are Brown back variations in the '75 and '77 sets as well.  Anyone have any
of these making an appearance in their Hostess binder?

For those not "in the know", the difference is in the ink.  Most Hostess
sport a white black with black ink.  Some cards, as discussed briefly in a
Rambling earlier in the year, also show up with brown ink (thus the "brown
back" variation).  From what I have seen, the brown backs are a lot rarer,
and may not exist for all card numbers in the various sets.  Has anyone
done any sort of population report on these?  If not, maybe I'll have to
put together an informal poll of some sort...

- Dan

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
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So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

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Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 23:27:55 EST
Subject: FT WASHINGTON  Report (a little Late)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

Hey All,
Well The day started great got off of work on time, and got my butt
right on the GW bridge, headed down to the Fort Wash Show. No traffic which
was great in NJ always a possibility. OK now lets get to the show....I got
there and Who is the first table I see, but its MR. Mint so IM feeling
alittle skeptical. I start to walk around and after about 15 minutes I see
what appears to be a University of Kentucky hat from afar....so I say to my
self" self....this could be an OBC hat get a closer look".
I got a closer look and I was right it was an OBC hat and it was Richard "THE
FUGITIVE" Kimball we said our hellos and B/S'd for a few then went on our way
for a few checking out cards. About 15 minutes went by and I. Met up with the
fugitive again and he then introduced me to Ed Schott. Again we said our
Hellos and B/S'd for a few then went on our way. Now IM walking around and I
see a beige hat.....I say nah cant be ,our hats are white....it was an OBC
hat and under it was Rittenberg man. We Chatted for a few and again went
along our way. The I run into The Last OBC hat and its Ken Morganti....Now
this time its about 11:45...so we take a walk out to his car to get his box
of dupes and get some OBC hats.
Well, now its noon....and its time to have our swap meet. Well it was
great I go to the table and Richard and Ed are Already there, Then Ken and I
sit down and then Steve Rittenberg joins and then Bret Domue joins as does
Howard Morgan and Robert Pigeon. NOW the fun begins.......... Steve Steve
tells me to come to his car and help him with his boxes and something for
me.....So i help and he hands me a bag with about 1000 top loaders that he
promised me...i needed them  so now he  and Ken Destroy my 69 topps list
steve dam near finished my 76 topps leaving me with only 2 stave also hits my
63 topps about 100 times  Brett hookes me up with 3 T206s a 1055 Topps Ted
Williams a 1957 topps Dodgers power team,a 1956 topps Aaron a 1934 canadian
goudey Rogers hornsby and 2 1949 MP&CO cards of Peewee reese and Vandemeir. I
received several cards and gave out several cards my 300 count box which was
over stuffed came home 1/2 full which made me so happy i finally made a few
dents in some sets (first time since joining OBC) God I had a blast at that
swap session. The Trading the stories the ball busting Smoking a butt with
Rob Pigeon, and just chilling with everyone, I had totally lost track of time
and i looked at my watch and it was 3pm...so we got uo and  walked around
again some more....now we sit down again its 4pm and we start swapping again
and the time flies again now its after 5 and the show is closed.....
ED,Steve< Ken, Richard, Matthew ,brett and I went for Pizza and we
had a few pies took up 2 tables and ate....After we eat Steve gets his cards
again and we all start up again  it was great..... We just had a
blast......Unfortunatly it was time to leave and head home . So i said my
Goodbyes and left.
Man Did i have a great time and i cant wait to do it soon again
It was great meeting all of you guys
ROB Gioia

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Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 00:51:30 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Joe McIlvaine/ Pete Rose/ 442!/ Bill W.
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

I got my cards from him today.  They were very well packaged as they
were wrapped in thin cardboard, stapled shut then a piece of strapping
tape went across the seam.  Then they were placed in a new bubble
envelope (puffy).  Cards were in nice shape just as he said.  I probably
got about $16 worth of cards, after adjusting for the condition.  I'll
be sending him a grand total of $10 which may not sound so great but,
keep in mind these are all  cards that were/are on my list & I did not
have to seek them out & he let me inspect them 1st.  Plus, if I took the
time to look them all up, it might actually be about $20 worth.  It had
Rocker's Rookie (Texas released him/who's he with now?) from Topps
(429), 72 Ollie (551), 73 Ollie (526), 77 Ollie (84) , 71 Nash (306) &
73 Nash (509) as the main cards & all are EXC-NM except the 72 (VG).
It also include about 7-9 Champ Summers cards (78, 82, 83, 85 etc) & 9
Esaskys which go for .10 to .50 each.  Last of all, he included a
business card with the Twins logo on it.  It says he is "Special
Assistant to the General Manager".
The 1st Pete Rose poll I did in OBC back in (OBC_RAMBLINGS) got the
largest response of any poll ever in OBC.  Unfortunatley, when Bill quit
& refused the turn over the password, I then unsubscribed so I can't see
how many voted or read the archives :-(  There are abou 65 of you still
on that list that could check for me.  I asked before & Mr Rittenberg
tried but I think he accidentally looked at the current group
(OBC-RAMBLINGS).   Seems like it was fairly well split also.  Then we
had a major discusssion on Rose & I passed around a video tape (hour
show) about him from TV & several people had changed their mind so we
did another poll.   I am not sure where I stand on the issue now.  I am
99% sure he is guilty.  I also don't think he did anything wrong while
he was a player.  Also as mentioned are we going to kick out all the
guys already in there that were racists (Cobb?), womanizers & alcoholics
etc.   I personally think there are too many people in there that
shouldn't be now.   I'd still vote for Dave "442" Kingman (save your
hate mail).  His overall stats are better than a few already in I bet.
BTW,  does anyone here still stay in touch wih Bill?  I need to verify
his addy to mail a pkg.   Also will one of you guys email me & let me
know what happend, as far as him leaving?  Just curious.  Thanks :-)

=================

To: , 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe McIlvaine/ Pete Rose/ 442!/ Bill W.
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 08:11:26 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

The Pete Rose poll was as follows;
Yes 4, Yes if he apologizes 5, Yes only if he is exonerated 5, Not sure 2,
No even if he apologizes 4, No even if he is exonerated 1.

At first glance we seem to have been all over the map on this one.  But
further analysis shows that only 4 people said yes.

I think there may have been too many choices, especially the one regarding
him being exonerated.  That's not going to happen.  He admitted his guilt
when he agreed to a lifetime ban.

Regarding Dave Kingman.  No, the only thing he did REAL well was strike out!

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:02:25 -0500 (EST)
To: bdonaldson@callisma.com, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: 2 Pete Rose Polls/ Bill W.
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

But if he apologizes he gets 9 YES votes & 5 NO votes from OBC.  That
poll, in "OBC-RAMBLINGS" was from Dec 2001.
There was another one done earlier in "OBC_RAMBLINGS" where we had
better participation (the most MEMBERS ever voted if I remember
correct/not 2 be confused with the most VOTES ever, as in a multiple
choice poll).   In that group (the 1st one we had in YahooGroups), 75
people are still subscribed & can read past results & archives.  I
unsubscribed when Dan set up the new list, then later sent a subscribe
message to the old group so I could view past messages & polls, which
Bill never approved :-(   But he may not have even gotten the message
that someone had requested to rejoin.  Since I don't know his current
email or phone #, I can't verify for sure his addy & was hoping one of
you knew "positively" where he is so I can mail him a few cards I owe.
Out of 135 people, surely 1 of you is still swapping with him.
Keith (don't call me Shirley/sorry Matt!)

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 08:37:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: HOF 1956 lot on eBay to watch
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 

Yuk's got the high bid on this one right now ... these cards scream OBC if he somehow gets outbid.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1980550233

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Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:12:35 EST
Subject: Update on John Ball
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Glk@aol.com

I had a chance to speak with John's wife this evening. She seemed sounded
quite depressed and really unsure of John's prognosis. The doctors told her
they got all the cancer but he had a lot. Please remember our good friend in
your thoughts and prayers. Perhaps a good old fashioned attack on his
wantlist is in order. I volunteer to coordinate getting the cards to him.

thanks, Joel

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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:03:23 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Quick help
From: Neal Thomas 

Can anyone send me the password and name for the OBC bio page--I was
looking to update my entry, and forgot how to access it.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: merry christmas
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:13:38 +0000
From: "Brad Chambers" 

Although inactive now, I still value my friendship with many of you and look
forward to when I get back to Tennessee and back in the card trading
The active duty here at Ft Bragg is really interesting and the most
important work I've ever done, so I feel like I'm making a difference.  Just
got back from a week in Germany/England, talking to my bosses and getting
direction.  Receiving vectoring and modifying lanes in the road, to use the
military jargon.   Still like civilian-ese better!

Anyway, wanted to wish everyone a Happy Holiday season while I had a free

Brad Chambers

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: 1980 football availables
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 19:45:21 -0500
From: "Donna Wells" 

1980 topps football availables.
#3, 9, 10, 19, 20, 28, 31, 35 (Bob Griese), 36, 39
53, 55, 57, 61 (a real military vet !!), 65 (Stabler)
70, 72(Jaws), 76, 78, 85, 107, 110, 113, 130, 138
155, 157, 189 (Eller), 195, 205(Page), 220(Alzado)
226, 230, 246, 256, 270, 273, 275, 319, 323, 352,
359, 365, 371, 382, 388, 390(Riggins), 400(Harris)
418, 423, 434, 435, 449(Upshaw), 450 (Congressman Largent)
484, 485(Zonk), 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 499, 520(Fouts)
Bob W.....

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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:24:55 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: www.DaveKingman.com/ Dell/ ISPs/ NM Pitt Crane Potato Chip Discs (76?)
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
From: JPMRHP@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:46:12 EST
Subject: Re: Dave "442" Kingman/ www.DaveKingman.com
To: KeithSummers@webtv.net

thanks for the reply and $10.00, and no, i don't think dave kingman
should be in the hall of fame, he was a one dimensional selfish plyr
interested in only one statistic.

joe mcilvaine

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Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:43:30 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] www.DaveKingman.com/ Dell/ ISPs/ NM Pitt Crane Potato Chi...
To: keithsummers@webtv.net, OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Dude, get a Dell :)

Our experience has been much better on the customer service end with Dell
over Gateway.  Gateway has been having their financial problems also (HP
thought about buying them before Compaq).  We put more Dells/Compaqs into
corporate America with much less headaches.  Look into the Optiplex version
(a little better style of computer, but doesn't always come with the extras).
Think about extending the warranty to 3 years also.

BTW, I'm still not sold on Joe Mac.  Maybe if he spells his name right, I'd
be convinced...

Ok whoever signs Alfonzo, I'll be the first person to root for that
team...C'mon Bosox!

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 01:46:50 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" 
Subject: Mazeroski's home run
From: "Kent Montgomery" 

Hi all,=0D
Does anybody happen to have the audio portion of the 1960 World Series Game
7 where Mazeroski hit the game winning home run???=0D
I've been searching the net but can't seem to find it anywhere.  If anybody
has it and wouldn't mind emailing it to me, I would be in their debt.=0D
Happy Holidays to all my OBC family,=0D
Kent Montgomery=0D
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Last Season in Majors HR Leaders
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:28:19 -0500
From: "Robert Reed" 

For those that are interested here is a list of players who hit 19 or more
homers in their last season.  My data does not include players who's last
season was 2001 or 2002 so there may be some additions to the list.

DAVE KINGMAN	1986	35
TED WILLIAMS	1960	29
HANK GREENBERG	1947	25
JACK GRAHAM	1949	24
ROY CULLENBINE	1947	24
ALBERT BELLE	2000	23
KIRBY PUCKETT	1995	23
DAVE NILSSON	1999	21
CHILI DAVIS	1999	19
JOE GORDON	1950	19
GEORGE BRETT	1993	19

>From: keithsummers@webtv.net
>To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
>CC: VCT@YahooGroups.com
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] www.DaveKingman.com/ Dell/ ISPs/ NM Pitt Crane
>Potato Chip Discs (76?)
>Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 22:24:55 -0500 (EST)
>BTW has anyone ever hit more HRs than Kingman in his last year (35)?  I'd
>like to see a list of the leaders in this category.

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:29:18 EST
Subject: Third annual Dick Wakefield Club Quiz: Prizes!!!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

As many of you may remember, each year I attend an x-mas lunch in honor of
Dick Wakefield, star(???) pitcher for 12 teams in the 40s and 50s. Why? I
don't know, except there are a lot of old (grizzled) baseball fans there and
some great stories!

The highlight is the quiz (es) made up by our host (since the invited guest,
Joe Kerrigan, new Phillies pitching coach,  did not show. Rumor had it he was
too hung over!).

I pass this quiz on to OBCers with special prizes being awarded for the 1st
and 2nd all-right answers.  Give it a shot!
This year, in keeping with Turkey-day festivities, the subject was ball
players with food and drink names:

1) Two Phillies infielder in the 50s:    G__________  ___ner
________  _______  Jones

2) Cleveland HOFer pitcher: B___  ________

3) TWO Phillies 1960s infielders:  ____________ R__________
Bob _____________

4) Old-time HOFer 3rd baseman: ___ Traynor

5) Pirates pitcher in the 50s: Bob _____

6) Ex-Cardinals and Phillies outfielder and coach:   _____    Lowery.

7) RedSox outfielder:in 70s:  ___   _____

8) Triple-Crown winner in 30s: D_________  M ___________

9) 1939 Yankees Reliever: Jim "__________" T_______

10) Dodgers 1950 Battery: The _____ Brothers

11) 1980s Mets outfielder:  D______________ ____________.

12) Ty _______, The "________  __________"

13) Pitcher John C_______, known as the "__________  ____".

14) Ex-Braves Coach, Ray _________.

15)  Old timer, Reds infielder: Lonnie ________.

16) Phillies reserve player in teh 49-50 seasons: J____  _______

17) 40s and 50s Cardinal Pitcher: W______ "________  ___" M___________.

10) Old Tiger Pitcher: Dizzy ___________.

Some of these may be easier than others.  Good luck. Another quiz in case of

The Grizzled One

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Jim Wiehe
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:27:47 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Jim just called to tell me he'll be out of touch for a week to deal with a death
in the family.

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:32:08 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Available Post Football
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Since we haven't had a professional Football team here since the
Michigan Panthers, & since I don't collect Football cards, I have an
unidentified card available to anyone who wants it. It's a Post #72 of
Dick Schafrath. Priority to any one of the numerous OBCers I owe.

We keep what we give away!

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:55:27 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Toronto trip
From: "mikesportsfan " 

Sorry about the length of this ramble.

Finally have found the time to tell the tale of the Toronto trip,
last month.  There is a farily large show twice a year in Toronto,
usually the 2nd full weekends in May & November (note, next year the
show is the last weekend in April).  The show is great for hockey
collectors, and obviously for Canadian issues (OPC, Parkhurst,
Canadian Goudey's, etc.).  This show is the first time I went with
others, Ron Perry & Earl Kilborne.  We met up by the border of
Michigan & Canada, in Port Huron.  Although the show starts on Friday
at 1:00, due to all 3 of us working some on Friday morning, we did
not meet until 1:00 in Post Huron, 3 - 3 1/2 hours from the show.
Customary OBC hello's of card gifts, including a couple of 1941
Playballs from Ron & a quick bite at Burger King and through the
border quickly we stop off in Sarnia, Ontario, Canada to exchange our
US for Canadian money.  Naturally, Ron & Earl have no trouble and I
get ID'ed, fingerprinted, photo taken and picture put on the wall as
a Yank to be watched for.  Note to self, next time do not cash so
much money, so as trigger an international money laundering
investigation.  The above is only slightly exaggerated, as I was
ID'ed and had to sign some government forms.  We gor a little over
$1.55 Canadian for our US dollars.  All prices below are Canadian.
Back on the road, we go straight to the convention hall and get there
at about 5:00.  Ron, who went to the show with his wife Marlene in
May, tells me he knows a different route, to avoid Toronto traffic,
for next time.  Show runs until 10:00 on Friday nite.  We bought our
weekend passes ($22).  We checked out the corporate section, where
the Canadian Post Office has a display.  Contrary to the US policy of
not issuing stamps until 5 years after someone has died, Canada will
issue stamps while someone is alive to honor them.  The last few
years they have been issuing stamps of hockey players.  They sponsor
autograph sessions of players they issue stamps for.  You get a free
autograph (limit 2) for athe player to sign , but they will only sign
items bought that weekend from the Canadian Post Office, so no pucks,
cards, etc.  Choices, included, stamp sheets (starting at $3 to 11 x
14 color lithographs, great for framing, $13).  Players autographing
during the weekend were Jean Beliveau on Friday, Bobby Hull on
Saturday and Glenn Hall on Sunday.  Althugh Hall is the only one ever
to play for teh Red Wings, I  only buy for Beliveau and Hull.
Other than the Beliveau autograph Friday was quite slow.  I did see
Maurice lemieux, a dealer Steve Rittenberg has dealt with through the
mail frequently and picked up one of the last 1975 OPC BB I need -
Ryan.  Ron, sees a dealer who has OBC condition cards.  In Canada,
they are not called Tipton, they are referred to as "Joe cards".I
pick up a couple 51-52 Parkhurst Hockey and a couple of OPC BB,
including a 1967 Al Kaline, all for $15.  I see a dealer I have
bought from before, who has a few thousands cards dumped out all over
the table for $.25 each. I find 13 (no discount, had to pay $3.25),
including 7 300/400/500 1980 Laughlin cards, I had never seen before,
a couple of OPC hockey that Steve needed and a true fins, a 1953
Mother's Cookie card.  Meanwile there was a table that I had noticed
had a top loader with 5 " very small cards" in it, inside a dealer's
case.  I asked about it and he said it was his partner's and check
back later.  I stopped by 3 or 4 times and the partner was never
there, and I still had never looked at the cards.  Right before
closing, I stopped by again, and the partner was there.  I asked and
he said he forgot what he had into them and told me to make him an
offer.  I balked, saying I would not know what to offer.  He
repeated, make him an offer.  I again protested that I did not want
to offend them.  He said I could not offend him make him an offer.  I
offered $10 and he said sold.  The top loader, which I had yet to
look at, contained a 1947 Montreal train pass ,just what I wanted,
AND 4 1950 Topps FB, including 1 tough yellow version.  Although
these had back damage from having been glued into an album, they do
book $40 US each and $60 for the yellow.  My best Friday buy.  I feel
so guilty, I also buy some Canadian GOudeys and Parkurst Hockey from
the guy.  We leave and drive to my sister's who's basement we
commandeered for the weekend.  We drop off our cards and clothes and
find out about a sports bar nearby where go for for dinner.  We eat
at the restaurant above the sports bar and the food and prices are
fine.  Back to the house to organize cards and talk and to sleep by
1:00 in the morning.
Saturday, we take my sister to breakfast (thanks Earl for picking up
the tab) near the house and then onto the show, about 20 minutes from
the house.  We get there right at 10:00 (show is open 10 - 6 on
Saturday & Sunday), and only had to wait about 30 seconds to get
inside.  Good thing as we left our jackets in the car, and it is
cold, about 40 degrees fahrenheit, 4 - 5 degrees celcius.  Ron & Earl
had told me about a dealer they saw Friday nite who had a couple of
1952 Topps high numbers (or most of 2 1952 Topps).  This is our first
stop on Saturday.  I put together a large stack of OPC BB, the 52
Topps and some 1969-70 OPC hockey Ron was interested in and still
overpay.  My most expensive purchase of the weekend and the one I
regret the most.  Steve, Dan Austin, Spike Glidden & Mark Talbot are
happy as this is the buy that resulted in them getting most of there
OPC BB stars, in the packages I sent out.
Other Saturday purchases included a Mecca Double Folder ($20), a 1962
Bell Brand, some 1971 Mattel FB Records, Slurpee FB cups, 1962 Post
Canadian BB, etc.  I also acquired a 1967 OPC Mantle that was chewed
by a mouse for 5% of book.  Card is in great shape except for the
part that is missing.  A 1966 OPC Mantle, guaranteed chewed by the
same mouse, was 10% as only the top border was gnawed.  A dealer I
know who is working on the 1950 Topps FB is visited and is shown the
Friday buy of the 4 cards.  He needs the yellow version.  He trades
me a 1962 Post FB #193 shortprint (books $175 US) for the yellow
version and $10.  He also throws in 2 of the 3 1984 Slurpee FB coins
I need.  So that deal is now $20 for 3 1950 Topps FB, a 1962 Post FB
shortprint and 2 Slurpee coins.
Another dealer I have dealt with frequently, has a store in Toronto.
Although it is near my sister's house, I have yet to go to the
store.  Paul had told me to see him on Saturday, as he had brought a
couple of monster boxes, solely for me to look at.  1 box is OPC BB
and the other is OPC hockey.  I look at the BB first, and ask how
much is the box.  Box spans 1965-1980, plus a few otehr oddball
itmes.  Paul states that there is too much variety in the box to
price it as a box.  Just pull what I want and he we will price it.  I
therefore, go to the hockey box, and Earl starts looking at the BB
box.  Paul gives me a price for the hockey box and Ron and I go
through the box to see if we want to buy it.  Earl meanwhile is
picking cards out of the BB box and finds a 1965 Denny McLain, which
is 1 of 3 I need to complete the set.  I immediately claim it as
mine, even though Earl wants it.  I threaten to leave him in Toronto
(I drove the 3 of us).  Earl is not sure if I am joking (I wasn't).
I let him keep the Wert, which was 1 of 3 Steve needed to complete
his set, at the time.  It turns out we turn down the hockey box (not
enough stars to warrant it), but end up with a significant stack of
OPC BB, between the 3 of us.  Filled in a few people's holes in OPC
BB.  Also got a stack of 1971 -72 OPC hockey posters, leaving Keon to
complete the set.
When we left the show on Saturday, the car was covered with a few
inches of snow.  Remember we had left our coats in the car.
Freezing, we finally got in teh car and the roads were a mess.
Traffic was slow.  Instead of going downtown for dinner, we went back
to the same restaurant we went to Friday nite.  They remembered us to
such an extent they told us our drink orders.  Service was much
better on Saturday. I think Ron graciuosly got dinner for us.  Back
at the house we sorted cards and figured out who got what from group
Sunday morning, my sister made us French Toast and before we went to
teh show, we shoveled her driveway and cleared the cars.  We were
unsure how long we should stay, as we had approximately a 5 hour
drive home, in good weather.  We end up staying most of the day, even
as we heard flights were being cancelled and people are being urged
to stay off the road except for emergency vehicles.
First stop Sunday, is back at Paul's table.  I had figured out that
he was using a monthly BB Beckett to price the OPC BB.  1965 OPC BB
has only 3 series and the 3rd series book for $8.  Paul copnsiders
them to be $2.50 and then gives me 2/3 OFF.  I pick up a stack,
mainly EX_MT of 60 including Drysdale, Wilhelm, Torre, etc. for $70.
I pick up some other cards as well.  Find a few Hires Root Beer
cards, withut tabs.  Picked up some OPC hockey inserts, along with a
couple of 1952 Topps bb from 1 dealer.  A 1959 Topps Spahn in the
hopes I need the variation (I did not).  Some unopened boxes oif
hockey stickers for my nephew and some Pokemon packs for my other
nephew.  More 1952 Topps  and another 1966 OPC Mantle (this 1 Dan
got).  Picked up a small plastic case of 1969 OPC Deckle BB.
Complete Dan's list.  Combined with the extras I already had, I now
just need Powell for a complete dupe set.  More OPC BB from a few
dealers.  Back to Paul, who specializes in hockey, and tell him to
pick a year of Parkhurst to sell me a starter set.  He chooses 1958-
59, includes some stars.  I now need 15 to complete.  As part of the
purchase I get 4 1930s hockey matchbooks & an Ice King.  Another
dealer I know, Michel, who speaks French, sells me a stack of hockey
matchbooks, as i am now collecting them.  I have 19 of them.  The big
buy, right before closing, was from Larry who Ron and I had bought a
few items from earlier in the weekend.  Larry has a KSA 3 1952 Topps
Willie Mays, a PSA 1 1954 Dan Dee of Paul Smith (a short print) and a
large poster top loader with the OPC hockey poster of Plante and Keon
in it.  He will not sell the Keon only, as he says they are so
fragile, that if they were taken out of the holder they wuld rip into
pieces.  He wants $10 for the holder.  I just want the Keon to
complete the set.  Meanwhile, I deliberate over the Mays.  he says he
just bought it for $200 US and wants to make 10%.  Will sell it for
$350 Canadian (about $230 US).  I hem and haw.  Ron and I discuss.
Where else am I going to get a Mays for 9% of book and if i do, what
shape would it be in.  This is a strong VG, in ur opinion.  I am not
used to paying this much for a single card.  Larry sweetens the pot,
by offering to throw in the Dan Dee Smith (had a price tag of $45).
Now I have to buy it.  along with a couple of Goudey cards.  As we
are leaving Larry calls me back and gives me the top loader with the
Plante and Keon, the only set I complete over the weekend, from my
last buy and it is a giftfrom a dealer.  Go figure.
For the weekend, major damage done to OPC BB, some Parkhurst Hockey.
Started hockey matchbooks and got some 52 Topps BB & 50 Topps FB.
Surprises included Mecca Double Folder, 2 hires Cards, my first Dan
Dee card, a Mother's Cookie, Laughlin cards, Slurpee FB cups, Bell
Brand and a 1962 Post FB short print.  Very succesful show.
We get oout and have to clear the car again.  We decide to drive as
far as we can, before stopping for dinner.  We get to London
(Ontario) and the road clears up pretty much and we stop for gas
only.  Ron and i jump out an gas up.  Get back in and start to pull
away.  Look in the back seat and Earl is NOT there.  Ron gets out and
finds Earl inside.  Another 10 seconds whtout looking in the backseat
and Earl would have been left behind.  This after he let me claim the
McLain card.  I would have felt guilty.  We get to the bridge and
traffic is backed way up.  The worst I have ever seen.  Ron says he
has seen worse.  My body decides I need to use facilites.  I get out
anbd Ron gets behind the wheel.  I walk/run to the US customs office
(1/4 to 1/2 mile away).  Must have a funny site, seeing this guy
running across the bridge (there are no provisions for pedestrians,
so I ran along the truck lane).  When I come out, I now have to
locate the car in the traffic.  They are still on the bridge, not
even the landing.  Customs went quickly when we tols him about the
Red Wings game the nite before.  Back to the Burger King to get Ron's
car.  We are tossed out as they are closing, 9:00.
Another great Toronto trip.  Next show last weekend in April for
anyone that wishes to join us.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:38:46 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Joe M./Bob R./Dave K./Mike R.
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
Date: 15 Dec 2002 21:15:47 -0000
To: KeithSummers@webtv.net
From: Yahoo!Groups 
Subject: Unable to deliver your message
From: KeithSummers@webtv.net
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:15:45 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC_RAMBLINGS@YahooGroups.com
Subject: Joe/ Bob/ Dave/ Mike
From: JPMRHP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 00:30:20 EST
Subject: Re: Joe
To: KeithSummers@webtv.net

hey keith--

one and the same and attending the winter mtgs at the opryland hotel
in nashville at present.

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To: 
Subject: A Rich Ramble
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 14:00:56 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Ken Morganti, move over...you are in the presence of greatness!

Reminder of a Chat tonight..5 Pacific, 8 Eastern, for those available...

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Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:17:44 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on John Ball
To: Glk@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Count me in Joel, I will look at his wantlist and see what I can do.

=================

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:26:29 -0500 (EST)
To: tply@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on John Ball
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Did I miss an update on John? I pulled some cards for him, should I send
them to him or is someone coordinating the effort?
LMK if I can help beyond the cards.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 19:48:47 EST
Subject: Vegas 2003 dates
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com

The final dates for Vegas 03 are May16 -18 , 2003. There will not be a
baseball game that weekend, so we will modify the schedule some.  I know that
this date does not work for everyone, and I apologize to those who can't make
it. As some of you know our family has been going through some very
challenging times, and I had thought of canceling the event for 2003. The May
16-18 date are the traditional week between Mother's Day and Memorial Day,
which seems to work for a variety of reasons.  Again, I apologize to those
who can't make it, and look forward to a traditionally great time.

Rest well,

=================

Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 20:20:34 -0500
Subject: 59 Ted Williams Reprints.
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Well I am down to the impossible--card #68 Ted signs for 1959.

I am pretty familiar with the reasons why the card was pulled from the print run--because of Bucky Harris's contractual obligations

--but I am curious if anyone has information on reprints--authorized or unauthorized?

peter mead

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: lasvegas
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 23:04:15 -0600
From: "terry ellis" 

whats this talk about las vegas? im only 2.5hrs away, kit okamuro

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Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 00:16:23 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on John Ball
To: Originaleek@webtv.net, TPLY@aol.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com


I'll check his list too, of course.  - doug

=================

Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2002 19:06:27 EST
Subject: Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Over the summer, I started the 1954 Topps set courtesy of a 50+ count trimmed
starter set I won on ebay (the lot contained a #1 Williams, Berra and a few
other stars for real short money).  Today, I just received a small lot of
cards (again from ebay) that contain a few 1954 Topps cards - even a couple
of dupes.  These cards have a "dirty" look and feel to them as well as a
little bit of paper and/or card loss, but the cards are (more or less) in
tact and of full size.  So, here's my dilemma...

Should I keep the fairly clean (but sometimes poorly trimmed) cards if I get
dupes or should I keep the low grade but full size examples?

I realize some of you may be thinking to yourself "I wouldn't want either"
but if given the choice of one or the other, which one would you choose?  I
think I know which way I'm leaning for my own collection but I'm curious what
other folks may prefer in theirs.

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:06:39 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: It's here!
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

That much anticipated "Do Not Open Until
12-25-02" envelope has arrived. Return address is: Santa  OBC. Since my
wife also saw it, and is a witness, I guess I'll just have to wait!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 07:37:18 EST
Subject: Re: Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

In a message dated 12/17/02 3:24:44 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< Over the summer, I started the 1954 Topps set courtesy of a 50+ count
starter set I won on ebay (the lot contained a #1 Williams, Berra and a few
other stars for real short money).  Today, I just received a small lot of
cards (again from ebay) that contain a few 1954 Topps cards - even a couple
of dupes.  These cards have a "dirty" look and feel to them as well as a
little bit of paper and/or card loss, but the cards are (more or less) in
tact and of full size.  So, here's my dilemma...

Should I keep the fairly clean (but sometimes poorly trimmed) cards if I get
dupes or should I keep the low grade but full size examples?

I realize some of you may be thinking to yourself "I wouldn't want either"
but if given the choice of one or the other, which one would you choose?  I
think I know which way I'm leaning for my own collection but I'm curious what
other folks may prefer in theirs.

Personally, I prefer full sized cards. The amount of wrinkles or writing
doesn't bother me as much as when part of the card is missing (this includes
paper loss). I have a Seaver RC that's been torn in half and taped back
together which I'm content with. The few cards in my collection that I'd want
to upgrade have mostly paper missing where I'd otherwise be able to see stats
or the player's face, etc... Oh, and then there's the ONE 1952 card in my set
that's trimmed which I'd like to upgrade someday - but until I find a cheapo
Mantle, it'll have to do. TAYL,

Ken M

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Subject: Bob Farrell/ Grousers!  Al Belle
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To: , 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 08:26:22 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

A compromise might be to glue a trimmed card that has a nice picture on top
of a full sized card that is in very rough shape.

BTW, I've some nice trimmed 57's if anyone is interested.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com [mailto:Jrhatchjr@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:06 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?

Over the summer, I started the 1954 Topps set courtesy of a 50+ count
trimmed starter set I won on ebay (the lot contained a #1 Williams, Berra
and a few other stars for real short money).  Today, I just received a small
lot of cards (again from ebay) that contain a few 1954 Topps cards - even a
couple of dupes.  These cards have a "dirty" look and feel to them as well
as a little bit of paper and/or card loss, but the cards are (more or less)
in tact and of full size.  So, here's my dilemma...

Should I keep the fairly clean (but sometimes poorly trimmed) cards if I
get dupes or should I keep the low grade but full size examples?

I realize some of you may be thinking to yourself "I wouldn't want either"
but if given the choice of one or the other, which one would you choose?  I
think I know which way I'm leaning for my own collection but I'm curious
what other folks may prefer in theirs.

Happy Collecting!
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Date: 17 Dec 2002 14:58:00 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC Santa
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 

Here's to my OBC Santa,  Wayne Delia who has sent a tantalizing package
with the following instructions:

"Take the little white thing and throw it to one of the
big square white things."

I've been tempted to rip it open a couple of times but I'll be good, until
the 25th.

Merry Xmas

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:17:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1951 Bowman OBC -quality starter on eBay
From: "obc_spike " 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1982805043

69 1951 cards, including some high numbers. Feel free to send me #307
as a finder's fee. :)

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Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 15:24:29 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Easy to solve...trim them all!!

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: wanted a 1967 Tom Seaver
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 17:56:43 -0500
From: "Donna Wells" 

I have been 1 card short of a set 1967's for a lot of years. One card ten years
Does anyone have one to trade ? Please...
I have a 1980 gumbox, 1981 gumbox, 1978 BB gumbox, 1979 BB gumbox and a 1980
FB gumbox
to batter with. Have some extra sets I could part with If need be!!!
Hopeful Bob W....

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 18:25:02 -0500 (EST)
To: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

You are actually in support of radical cardboardectomies just for
cosmetic purposes? Surgical procedures on sacred cardboard just because
of natural aging and dermatis pigmentation should be outlawed or at lest
reviewed by an oversight commiitee such as ACAL (Anti-Cardboard Abuse
League). Old cards have rights too.
An Original Boomer!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 23:22:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: bdonaldson@callisma.com
From: Mark S Talbot 


I like full size cards vs. trimmed and will keep trimmed ones until a full
sized one comes along.  But a trimmed Williams and Berra would look
good in my set right now with only 10 or so "big cards" to go.  My
2 cents worth.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Bob Donaldson wrote:

 A
compromise might be to glue a trimmed card that has a nice picture on top
of a full sized card that is in very rough shape.BTW,
I've some nice trimmed 57's if anyone is interested.Bob

-----Original

From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com [mailto:Jrhatchjr@aol.com]

Sent: Monday, December 16,
2002 7:06 PM

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Which
would you rather have in your collection?
Over the summer, I started the
1954 Topps set courtesy of a 50+ count trimmed starter set I won on ebay
(the lot contained a #1 Williams, Berra and a few other stars for real
short money).  Today, I just received a small lot of cards (again
from ebay) that contain a few 1954 Topps cards - even a couple of dupes. 
These cards have a "dirty" look and feel to them as well as a little bit
of paper and/or card loss, but the cards are (more or less) in tact and
of full size.  So, here's my dilemma...

Should I keep the fairly
clean (but sometimes poorly trimmed) cards if I get dupes or should I keep
the low grade but full size examples?

I realize some of you may
be thinking to yourself "I wouldn't want either" but if given the choice
of one or the other, which one would you choose?  I think I know which
way I'm leaning for my own collection but I'm curious what other folks
may prefer in theirs.

Happy Collecting!

Jim

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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 00:25:56 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: Originaleek@webtv.net, Wite3@aol.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 12/17/2002 5:26:11 PM Central Standard Time,
Originaleek@webtv.net writes:

> Anti-Cardboard Abuse
> League

I nominate Larry tipton to chair the anti-cardboard abuse league.  - Doug

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:12:03 -0500 (EST)
To: TraderDoug@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I could not think of a better person to champion the cause of abused
cardboard. I heartily second the nomination of Larry Tipton as chair of
ACAL. Can we get a vote.

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: , "Mark S Talbot" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 07:20:31 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

I will have to say that "slightly" trimmed cards do not bother me.  But ofcourse
I base this on my recent decision to add a "slightly" trimmed E92 Dockman
Cy Young card to my collection.   Given the fact that this card has not
even been seen on ebay in over a year, it's one that I can live with being
slightly trimmed, I guess!!   On the other hand, I wouldn't want to addtoo
many trimmed cards to my '72 Topps collection though.  Don't know if that
is a problem for anyone else.

-- John

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark S Talbot
To: bdonaldson@callisma.com
Cc: Jrhatchjr@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?

I like full size cards vs. trimmed and will keep trimmed ones until a full
sized one comes along.  But a trimmed Williams and Berra would look good in
my set right now with only 10 or so "big cards" to go.  My 2 cents worth.
 BE WELL!!!
REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *

Bob Donaldson wrote:

A compromise might be to glue a trimmed card that has a nice picture on
top of a full sized card that is in very rough shape.BTW, I've some nice trimmed
57's if anyone is interested.Bob
-----Original Message-----
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com [mailto:Jrhatchjr@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:06 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?

Over the summer, I started the 1954 Topps set courtesy of a 50+ counttrimmed
starter set I won on ebay (the lot contained a #1 Williams, Berra and
a few other stars for real short money).  Today, I just received a small
lot of cards (again from ebay) that contain a few 1954 Topps cards - evena
couple of dupes.  These cards have a "dirty" look and feel to them as well
as a little bit of paper and/or card loss, but the cards are (more or less)
in tact and of full size.  So, here's my dilemma...
Should I keep the fairly clean (but sometimes poorly trimmed) cards if
I get dupes or should I keep the low grade but full size examples?

I realize some of you may be thinking to yourself "I wouldn't want either"
but if given the choice of one or the other, which one would you choose?
I think I know which way I'm leaning for my own collection but I'm curious
what other folks may prefer in theirs.

Happy Collecting!
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Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 11:58:32 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: OriginalEEK@webtv.net
From: Wite3@aol.com

rights, yes...the right to be with fellow OBC type cards...how would you feel
if you were the only person naked in a group of clothed people?  That is how
those "tall" cards are going to feel in the binder surrounded by all the nice
small cards...besides, 9 pocket pages are cheaper than 8 pocket pages...

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:47:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Which would you rather have in your collection?
From: "alcattle " 

I applaud your efforts to save cardboard everywhere but your choice
to chair the commitee is misguided. Larry Tipton, although he loves
cardboard in ANY condition, was also the inventor of such things as
the Mikita Tipton and the restored? Mantle. He has caused as many
tiptons as he has saved.
Big Al in Seattle

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Traderdoug@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/17/2002 5:26:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> Originaleek@w... writes:
> > Anti-Cardboard Abuse
> > League
> I nominate Larry tipton to chair the anti-cardboard abuse league.  -

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 18:35:00 -0500 (EST)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net (alcattle )
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Which would you rather have in your
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Talk about gratitude, I show you parts of Chicago you have never seen
before and shan't see again, and I am misguided. Please remember that
you composed half of the team that misguided me.
Having said (wrote) that, I must admit your argument regarding a
Tiptonizer chairing a Cardboard Abuse Committee is a compelling one.
Also, in view of Joshua's comments regarding naked cards and fiscal
practicality, I have only one thing to say regarding my earlier posts
pertinent to this topic: never mind!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 20:35:31 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Which would you rather have in your collection?
To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 12/18/2002 4:51:15 PM Central Standard Time,
alcattle@earthlink.net writes:

> I applaud your efforts to save cardboard everywhere but your choice
> to chair the commitee is misguided. Larry Tipton, although he loves
> cardboard in ANY condition, was also the inventor of such things as
> the Mikita Tipton and the restored? Mantle. He has caused as many
> tiptons as he has saved.
> Big Al in Seattle

which makes him the perfect candidate. - Doug

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:01:42 EST
Subject: Announcement
To: waa@att.net, GwenAnders@aol.com, battridge@kslaw.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

I DID IT!!!
Call or email if you want to discuss.

December 19, 2002

NSI CHAIRMAN AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
BROCK A. HATTOX TO RETIRE

Atlanta, GA  -- Brock A. Hattox, 54, Chairman of the Board, President and
Chief Executive Officer of National Service Industries, Inc. (NYSE: NSI),
announced today his decision to retire from the company.  Mr. Hattox's
retirement is expected to be effective  upon his reaching age 55 on March 23,
2003.  However, he will remain in his position until a successor is appointed
and will stay with the company through an appropriate transition period.
Upon his retirement, Mr. Hattox will also resign as a director.
Mr. Hattox has been Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of NSI
since December 2001.  Prior to that time, he served as Executive Vice
President and Chief Financial Officer of NSI from September 1996 through
November 2001.
The Board of Directors of NSI will engage an executive search firm to assist
in identifying a successor.  Don L. Chapman, the Lead Director on NSI's Board
of Directors, said "We will miss Brock and the outstanding leadership he has
provided to NSI, but the Board understands his decision to retire at age 55
after a long and distinguished career in business."  Mr. Chapman further
said, "Brock will work with the Board in the process of selecting a new Chief
Executive Officer, and we are grateful that he has agreed, if necessary, to
extend his retirement date to ensure a smooth transition."
In announcing his retirement, Mr. Hattox said, "We have made a great deal of
progress during the past year at NSI.   The balance sheet is stronger, thanks
to the timely sale of the headquarters building.   We have assembled an
effective board of directors and have improved corporate governance with the
appointment of a lead director and the reorganization of board committees.  I
have great confidence in our management team, and I am confident our search
will find a strong executive who will lead NSI toward successful growth
strategies."  Mr. Hattox continued, "My future physical condition is clouded
by the long-term effects of polio which I contracted as a child.  I want to
spend my remaining years of health playing with my grandchildren, improving
my golf handicap, catching redfish, and helping people in my church and
community.   I wish NSI and all its talented associates the best in the
*  *  *
National Service Industries, Inc., with fiscal year 2002 sales of $530
million, has two business segments -- textile rental and envelopes.
*  *  *

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:14:54 EST
Subject: Announcement
To: waa@att.net, GwenAnders@aol.com, battridge@kslaw.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

I DID IT!!!
Call or email if you want to discuss.

December 19, 2002

NSI CHAIRMAN AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
BROCK A. HATTOX TO RETIRE

Atlanta, GA  -- Brock A. Hattox, 54, Chairman of the Board, President and
Chief Executive Officer of National Service Industries, Inc. (NYSE: NSI),
announced today his decision to retire from the company.  Mr. Hattox's
retirement is expected to be effective  upon his reaching age 55 on March 23,
2003.  However, he will remain in his position until a successor is appointed
and will stay with the company through an appropriate transition period.
Upon his retirement, Mr. Hattox will also resign as a director.
Mr. Hattox has been Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of NSI
since December 2001.  Prior to that time, he served as Executive Vice
President and Chief Financial Officer of NSI from September 1996 through
November 2001.
The Board of Directors of NSI will engage an executive search firm to assist
in identifying a successor.  Don L. Chapman, the Lead Director on NSI's Board
of Directors, said "We will miss Brock and the outstanding leadership he has
provided to NSI, but the Board understands his decision to retire at age 55
after a long and distinguished career in business."  Mr. Chapman further
said, "Brock will work with the Board in the process of selecting a new Chief
Executive Officer, and we are grateful that he has agreed, if necessary, to
extend his retirement date to ensure a smooth transition."
In announcing his retirement, Mr. Hattox said, "We have made a great deal of
progress during the past year at NSI.   The balance sheet is stronger, thanks
to the timely sale of the headquarters building.   We have assembled an
effective board of directors and have improved corporate governance with the
appointment of a lead director and the reorganization of board committees.  I
have great confidence in our management team, and I am confident our search
will find a strong executive who will lead NSI toward successful growth
strategies."  Mr. Hattox continued, "My future physical condition is clouded
by the long-term effects of polio which I contracted as a child.  I want to
spend my remaining years of health playing with my grandchildren, improving
my golf handicap, catching redfish, and helping people in my church and
community.   I wish NSI and all its talented associates the best in the
*  *  *
National Service Industries, Inc., with fiscal year 2002 sales of $530
million, has two business segments -- textile rental and envelopes.
*  *  *

=================

Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 22:29:58 EST
Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Announcement
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com
To: waa@att.net, GwenAnders@aol.com, battridge@kslaw.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2002 21:01:42 EST
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Announcement

I DID IT!!!
Call or email if you want to discuss.

December 19, 2002

NSI CHAIRMAN AND CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER
BROCK A. HATTOX TO RETIRE

Atlanta, GA  -- Brock A. Hattox, 54, Chairman of the Board, President and
Chief Executive Officer of National Service Industries, Inc. (NYSE: NSI),
announced today his decision to retire from the company.  Mr. Hattox's
retirement is expected to be effective  upon his reaching age 55 on March 23,
2003.  However, he will remain in his position until a successor is appointed
and will stay with the company through an appropriate transition period.
Upon his retirement, Mr. Hattox will also resign as a director.
Mr. Hattox has been Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer of NSI
since December 2001.  Prior to that time, he served as Executive Vice
President and Chief Financial Officer of NSI from September 1996 through
November 2001.
The Board of Directors of NSI will engage an executive search firm to assist
in identifying a successor.  Don L. Chapman, the Lead Director on NSI's Board
of Directors, said "We will miss Brock and the outstanding leadership he has
provided to NSI, but the Board understands his decision to retire at age 55
after a long and distinguished career in business."  Mr. Chapman further
said, "Brock will work with the Board in the process of selecting a new Chief
Executive Officer, and we are grateful that he has agreed, if necessary, to
extend his retirement date to ensure a smooth transition."
In announcing his retirement, Mr. Hattox said, "We have made a great deal of
progress during the past year at NSI.   The balance sheet is stronger, thanks
to the timely sale of the headquarters building.   We have assembled an
effective board of directors and have improved corporate governance with the
appointment of a lead director and the reorganization of board committees.  I
have great confidence in our management team, and I am confident our search
will find a strong executive who will lead NSI toward successful growth
strategies."  Mr. Hattox continued, "My future physical condition is clouded
by the long-term effects of polio which I contracted as a child.  I want to
spend my remaining years of health playing with my grandchildren, improving
my golf handicap, catching redfish, and helping people in my church and
community.   I wish NSI and all its talented associates the best in the
*  *  *
National Service Industries, Inc., with fiscal year 2002 sales of $530
million, has two business segments -- textile rental and envelopes.
*  *  *

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: cheap 1954 Topps Snider from TigerDave
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 08:47:45 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Ok, I'll try to stop buying cards to put in my dupes box.  But that means you'll
be getting more of these.

http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/71297387?aucviewalert

Its a Yahoo! auction, but its still cheap.   TigerDave is Grant's buddy.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: 1933 goudey   card 221
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 09:33:01 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I told this guy to go to ebay.  If anyone has a better answer, please
respond to him directly.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudley Alexander" <_the_alexanders@email.msn.com>
To: 
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: 1933 goudey card 221

> I am the grandson of Dale Alexander who is card
> 221 in this set.  I am searching for old baseball
> cards of my grandfather including
> 1933 george c miller card 1
>  1933 gum inc Doubleheader discs card 2
>  1933 Tatoo Orbit R305  card 1
>  1933 Tatoo Orbit R308  card 181
>   1933 Worch Cigar  card 2
> any idea on how I can complete this?
> reply to _the_alexanders@msn.com

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:38:29 EST
Subject: Playing Santa!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

My sincere thanks out to Mac Wubben!

Mac read my email that let everyone know I didn't sign up for this year's
card exchange because I felt I didn't have the time. Mac was kind enough to
send me a suprise to be opened on Christmas morning! THANKS Mac and I look
forward to letting everyone know what the suprise is on Christmas morning!

Another Baseball Quote:

"Holy Cow!"

-------Harry Caray, announcer

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 11:46:34 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Playing Santa!
To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 12/19/2002 10:40:58 AM Central Standard Time, tply@aol.com

> "Holy Cow!"
> -------Harry Caray, announcer
Harry Caray has been widely known for using the term "Holy Cow" when a Cub
home run was hit.  But Cub broadcaster Jack Brickhouse  used "Holy Cow" long
before Caray.  - Doug

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 17:08:51 EST
Subject: Great 55 Bowman Lot on eBay
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I had placed on a bid on this auction and have decided not to go any further
on it.  198 different cards including some HOFers and a PSA 5 Aaron.  Looks
like a nice looking lot, averaging about EX.  If anyone's interested, it's at
about $1/card.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1982239412

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 22:40:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hostess Eckersleys
From: "jimbo777777 " 

Mr. Miller's generous Eckersley lot, and some thought provoking
comments by the omniscient Steve Rittenberg, along with a relaxing,
uninvolved day off, have inspired me to take a closer look at my
Eckersley collection.

I'm officially on the hunt, starting with the '76, '77, '78 and '79
Hostess Ecks.  Major reward offered!

=================

Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:30:45 EST
Subject: Photos, Please Do Not Bend!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

All (especially Rick E.)-

Today, Went to the mailbox in the freezing cold (45 degrees--hey, in So. Cal.
anything below 60 is freezing cold) and found three packages. All said
"Photos, Please do not bend." The usual OBC tag line. The first was from Andy
Cook who sends along three needed Obaks to complete another trade...Big Al
chimed in with two oddball Phillies slides from my list. Thanks Al...

The next was from Rick Ellison. Rick always sends great cards and interesting
oddball stuff. Today, I expected cards. I got one card...the Christmas
variety. Included in the card were actual pictures, not baseball cards, and I
was so happy to see them. Included were some of Joel, Ken, and Doug and I.
Rick's family. Rick. And a large contingent of OBC guys standing in a
bathtub. The pictures were from last years OBC wedding, one of the most
enjoyable events I have ever been to. Rick, usually baseball cards make my
day but this made a very long month absolutely great. Thanks so much (I am
also glad I managed to find that last camera because the picture of Margaret
in front of the palms was great!!). Thanks again and I wish you and yours (as
well as everyone in OBC land) a happy and healthy Holiday Season.

=================

Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 00:03:56 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great 55 Bowman Lot on eBay
To: Toppsrun368@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 12/19/2002 4:13:07 PM Central Standard Time,
toppsrun368@aol.com writes:

> I had placed on a bid on this auction and have decided not to go any further
> on it.  198 different cards including some HOFers and a PSA 5 Aaron.  Looks
> like a nice looking lot, averaging about EX.  If anyone's interested, it's
> at
> about $1/card.
well i went to look at this lot and found that Doug Smith had won it.  Not
me, however.  I completed the 55 Bowman set years ago but it is very right
...my Aaron, which I found with Joel in a card shop in chicago, was stuck
between 2 other waterlogged cards and is held together by 1/4 in of
cardboard.  I though well..maybe a few upgrades and some trading stock.  A
little pricey for that i guess but the auction was over before I got there.
Hope Doug Smith enjoys it.  - Doug

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Mark your calendars
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 01:15:47 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Some of the best shows are the ones in Fort Washington PA, 4x a year.   You
get to buy lots of cards at great prices PLUS meet OBCers.   What can top
that?    Here are the dates for 2003:

February 28-March 2, 2003
May 2-4, 2003
September 19-21, 2003
December 5-7, 2003

Hope to see you all there.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 07:08:32 -0800
Subject: Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant Other
From: Peter Iversen 

That's FIVE guys with wives/"significant other's" named Denise/Denice -
any others out there...???

> Dave Kolenda & Denise
> Peter Iversen & Denice
> Peter Mead & Denise
> Bill Malson & Denise
Mark Talbot & Denise

Note from Peter Mead - 12/19/02:
Mike Rich informed me that Mark Talbot's wife is also a Denise.

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: Fred Lamline...
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:56:05 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

----- Original Message -----
From: "dann" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Fred Lamline...

> Greets!
> I was totally shocked to discover from ou sebsite that a card of my Great
> Grandfather actually was printed....
> wondering if u have or know of any way to even begin finding someone with
> this card...His name was Fred Lamlein...but for some reason, people kept
> printing it out Fred Lamline.
> Appearantly the card u listed is from 1909...so I know this won't be
> easy...and being a collector myself...  I know that tobacco cards are
> extremely tough to get a hold of...
> he was card 112 in the Tobacco T4 Obaks checklist page u have on your
> http://www.oldbaseball.com/cardsets/obakst4.html
> Can u tell me more about this set?
> Dann
> --
> Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1983030579: 1959 FLEER TED WILLIAMS UNCUT PANEL W/ #68!!!
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2002 15:08:21 PST
From: nthomas@pol.net

For those of us looking for a '59 Fleer #68, have you ever seen an uncut sheet before??

Title of item:	1959 FLEER TED WILLIAMS UNCUT PANEL W/ #68!!!
Starts:	Dec-16-02 17:25:07 PST
Ends:	Dec-21-02 17:25:07 PST
Price:	Currently $510.00
To bid on the item, go to:	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983030579

Item Description:

You are bidding on
an uncut panel of cards from the 1959 Fleer Ted Williams set.
Included on this panel is card #68, Ted Signs for 1959. This card was
withdrawn from the set early in the production process and is quite
scarce in single card form. But to find it on an uncut sheet is a
true rarity. I will describe the condition of the panel to the best
of my ability. Please e-mail me with any questions. I answer ALL

The cards on the
panel include: (see photo of full panel below)

Row 1 (L to R) -
79,64,47,32,15 (This row is cut off at the top)

Row 2 (L to R) -

Row 3 (L to R) -

Overall, the panel
is in excellent condition, with little visible damage from more than
6 inches away.

- There is a
surface crease running through the top of card #36, then diagonally
to the upper right through card #17 and into card #15

- There are also
small surface creases on cards 66, 51, and 47

- Card #68 is in
great condition with no chips, nicks or stains. There is, however, a
tiny paper crease running through Ted's left arm. This is one of
those creases that's so light that you have to shine direct light on
it to see it (see close-up photos below)

- Reserve is set at

Insured, UPS
shipping is mandatory for this item. Rate will be calculated based on
winning bid and location of winning bidder.
If you need
this item in time for Christmas, I will be happy to overnight it to

I will ship
anywhere in the world (within reason). International bidders, please
e-mail your shipping address to me when you win, and I'll let you
know what your cost will be.

 I accept
cash, checks, cashier's checks and credit cards (through Paypal.)
Checks must clear before I ship.

Check my feedback
and bid with confidence. Your
satisfaction is guaranteed.
E-mail me with any questions. I answer ALL e-mails.

ALSO: I am always
interested in buying cards. I'm especially interested in cards and
unusual items of *Nolan Ryan*, Greg Maddux, Ivan Rodriguez, Tom
Glavine, Rafael Palmeiro, Ken Griffey Jr., Randy Johnson, Curt
Schilling, Brett Favre and Ilya Kovalchuk. Just e-mail me and let me
know what you've got.

WINNERS, PLEASE
READ THE INFORMATION BELOW

 Within about
12 hours after the auction ends, you will receive an invoice from
Paypal with all necessary information. If you're paying with cash,
check or cashier's check, my address will be in this
invoice. If you
win multiple auctions and wish to pay with Paypal, *Please* pay for
all items in one transaction. I
will ship within 1 business day of receiving payment. If you need
more than 10 days to pay for your auction, PLEASE let me know, so I
know you're not a deadbeat!!! All auctions must be paid for within 21
days of the end of the auction.

Thanks for bidding
and check out my other auctions including:

- 1959 Fleer Ted
Williams Uncut Panel with Card #68!!! Truly a one of a kind

- 2001 Fleer Legacy
Jeter Autographed Hat w/COA -
Only 150 Made!!

- 2001 Fleer Legacy
Ryan Autographed Hat w/COA -
Only 150 Made!!

- 2001 Absolute Signing Bonus
Nolan Ryan
Autographed Ball. Only 25
made!! #6/25

-2001 Absolute Signing Bonus
Randy Johnson
Autographed Ball. Only 25
made!! #3/25

On Dec-18-02 at 07:20:38 PST, seller added the following information:

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=================

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:10:14 EST
Subject: Re: "Ted Signs" on uncut sheet
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

In a message dated 12/22/02 4:17:01 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes:

<< For those of us looking for a '59 Fleer #68, have you ever seen an uncut
sheet before?? >>

Actually, I've seen quite a few of those uncut sheets/strips floating around
for that issue (especially when I was searching eBay almost every day to
finish my set)... although not too many of them had the scarce #68 on them. I
think I saw maybe one or two including one at the Nationals. (It may have
been the same sheet on eBay now.) I completed my set (and found another low
grade one to complete Brett's set) for about $200 each out in Anaheim a
couple years ago. I picked up a tiptonized dupe for $60 less than that at the
Ft. Washington show earlier this year... if anyone's interested in a trade or
dealer scum purchase. I could always start a second set too.  TAYL,

Ken M

=================

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 05:31:09 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant Other
To: Peter Iversen 
From: Mark S Talbot 


Now that's not the case,

    "She who must be obeyed" is named Donna.  My
dear wife has a sister named Denise but I am not married to my wife's sister. 
So unless otherwise disputed your number is back down to 4 s/o's by the
name of Denise/Denice.  Mike must be thinking of someone else?? 
BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

Peter Iversen wrote:

 That's FIVE guys with wives/"significant
other's" named Denise/Denice -

any others out there...???

> Dave Kolenda & Denise

> Peter Iversen & Denice

> Peter Mead & Denise

> Bill Malson & Denise

Mark Talbot & Denise

Note from Peter Mead - 12/19/02:

Mike Rich informed me that Mark Talbot's wife is also a Denise.

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To: "Peter Iversen" ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant Other
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 10:50:05 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

I dated a girl named Denise once.   :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark S Talbot
To: Peter Iversen
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant Other

Now that's not the case,
"She who must be obeyed" is named Donna.  My dear wife has a sister named
Denise but I am not married to my wife's sister.  So unless otherwise disputed
your number is back down to 4 s/o's by the name of Denise/Denice. Mike
must be thinking of someone else??  BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *

Peter Iversen wrote:

That's FIVE guys with wives/"significant other's" named Denise/Denice -
any others out there...???

> Dave Kolenda & Denise
> Peter Iversen & Denice
> Peter Mead & Denise
> Bill Malson & Denise
Mark Talbot & Denise

Note from Peter Mead - 12/19/02:
Mike Rich informed me that Mark Talbot's wife is also a Denise.

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Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 11:53:06 EST
Subject: Phase one complete!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

For anyone who has claimed things from my den cleaning project, I will be
mailing cards out this week sometime - likely after Christmas.  Then I will
begin cleaning up a lot of piles of papers and junk...of course if I find any
cards, I'll post 'em!

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 13:55:16 EST
Subject: Congrats, Mount Union Purple Raiders
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

Just a little props to the Mount Union Purple Raiders of Alliance, Ohio, my
alma mater, for once again winning the NCAA Division III football title.

Think MUC is a dynasty?  Try out these facts - third title in a row, 6 years
of the last 7, 7 titles in the last 10 years, 42 wins in a row. Coach Larry
Kehres raised his lifetime record to 192-17-3. Coach Kehres passed up his
opportunity to move to Divsion I a couple of years back, so I suspect he will
continue at Mount Union and probably set every NCAA record possible for
coaching wins.

=================

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 14:43:01 EST
Subject: 1968 Topps - special project
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

SPECIAL PROJECT
Looking for help on finishing my neighbor's 1968 set - he just needs a
couple, dupes
available for trade
1968 Topps
470  490  505  530  531

=================

Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:03:31 -0600
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer
From: Gary Pearce 

At 09:08 AM 12/20/02, Peter Iversen wrote;
>That's FIVE guys with wives/"significant other's" named Denise/Denice -
>any others out there...???

My wife goes by her initials KD, for Katherine Denise.  Is that close enough?

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: 9pm EST OBC chat going on now.  All are welcome!
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 21:04:34 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: T206 Blank Backs
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 22:27:15 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Anyone have a rough idea of the premium associated with a blank back on a

=================

To: pearceg@ev1.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:58:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant Other
From: Peter Iversen 

I would be willing to count it - but I guess it is not perfectly,
specifically correct.  But if I remember right K.D likes Catchers - so
that probably is a good enough reason for her "Denise" to count...  Don't
you think?

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 16:03:31 -0600 Gary Pearce  writes:
> At 09:08 AM 12/20/02, Peter Iversen wrote;
> >That's FIVE guys with wives/"significant other's" named
> Denise/Denice -
> >any others out there...???
> <@lurk=off>
> My wife goes by her initials KD, for Katherine Denise.  Is that
> close enough?
> GP
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Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 06:34:40 -0500 (EST)
To: marcpeter@juno.com (Peter Iversen)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: pearceg@ev1.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Peter Iversen 
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 00:58:16 -0800
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer Wife/Significant
=================

Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:02:37 EST
Subject: More of the same craziness... Wiehe soap opera update
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... Just as I was beginning to catch up, I'm behind again.  A week ago
Sunday, we got word that my dad's sister passed away from lung cancer.  While
she had been feeling weak and had been a chain smoker most all her life, it
was still a shock at how sudden everything went downhill.  Anyway, upon
learning of her death, I took off from Omaha to pick up my dad in Des Moines,
where he was helping my brother pack up for a move to Ohio.  After picking up
my dad, we departed for a l-o-n-g drive to El Paso.  We had anticipated that
the funeral would be Tuesday or Wednesday, but because of others' travel
plans, it was instead scheduled for Friday, allowing us a little more
leisurely pace for driving.  Night one was spent in Wichita, night two in
Odessa, and we finally arrived in El Paso late afternoon Tuesday.  The
following days were filled with the odd mix of sorrow and laughter, as many
wonderful stories of my aunt's crazy, fun life were told (e.g., she once shut
down White Sands Air Force Base with a wrong turn while piloting her little
Cessna... ).  While it was terrific seeing my cousins and uncle again, the
circumstances certainly put a damper on things.  I feel awful for my uncle,
who lost a terrific lifelong companion and especially bad for their
granddaughter, Amanda, who they had been raising ever since her mom passed
away (again, from lung cancer) four years ago.  Pretty rough go for a 15 year
old to lose a "second mom", but she is amazing and seems to be coping really
well.  I also feel awful for my dad, as we've now lost my mom and his only
sister... the two most important women in his life... within a nine month
span.  We also lost my mom's last remaining sister in April and my
sister-in-law lost her dad in October... a brutal year which we will all look
forward to leaving in the rear view mirror.  In spite of the occassion, I was
able to get away for a couple hours to meet up with Richard Labs, who was a
wonderful host and guide as I tried to finish up my secret Santa shopping.
Richard also left me with a tremendous trio of cards... a '73 Clemente a '74
Aaron commemorative, and an awesome '01 Upper Deck Legends "Legendary Lumber"
card of Pudge Rodriguez.  Most of all, though, he provided a wonderful
respite from the other realities of the week.

Following the funeral, my dad and I both agreed that we were antsy to get
back to our respective homes.  We took off at about 5:40 Friday evening and
drove straight through, arriving back in Des Moines at around 4:30 Saturday
evening.  After a quick dinner with him, I finished off my travels with the 2
1/2 hour trek back to Omaha.

Needless to say, I'm a little behind in e-mail and even further behind in
thanks.  We are frantically packing right now to head up to my dad's place in
northern Minnesota for Christmas (another 600 mile adventure!).  During the
break, I need to return once to Omaha to do a couple assessments for a study
I'm helping with at Creighton University, and I just found out that we'll
need to travel a couple hours to see the one participant that I had to miss
this past week.  All told, I think I'll have around 5,200 miles logged within
the month of December.  Does anyone give Frequent Driver Miles??

Anyway, I'll have the computer with me up at my dad's house and will try to
catch up on e-mail and thanks then.  I really appreciate the patience you all
continue to show me regarding trading, correspondence, and thanks.  You are
all very special to me and I count my trading friends as one of the richest
blessings of my life.

Take care and have a Christmas filled with joy and love and a New Year that
brings peace and kindness in this wonderful world.

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 15:08:25 EST
Subject: too fast...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... guess this is what happens when you cut and paste one message
between three trading groups.  I failed to mention to you all that my dad and
I had a *fantastic* dinner of catfish with Odessa-based OBC'er Rex Stahlman.
On top of the great food and company, it turns out that Rex was my OBC Santa
and thus hand-delivered my package to me!  Imagine the odds of that... it's
staggering... A guy from Omaha driving to Odessa and happening to be the one
out of ?? that participated in the OBC gift exchange and meeting up with the
guy who is my secret Santa.  What a crazy world...

Anyway, a Texas-sized Thank You to Rex!  Also a quick but special thank you
to Steve Rittenberg for playing the role of Santa's elf and helping me get my
own Secret Santa delivery out.

Take care and have a wonderful holiday...

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 16:59:16 EST
Subject: John Ball Update..GOOD NEWS
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Glk@aol.com

I was thrilled today when my phone rang at 3:00 and I heard the happy voice
of John Ball! He is home recovering from colon cancer surgery.  John
explained that while the surgery was radical, it was quite successful. He is
slowly gaining his strength back and hopes to return to work in about 5
He wanted me to thank everyone who has sent him get well wishes and he is
quite touched by the outpouring of care displayed by all of the OBC family.

I will be forwarding  all the cards sent   to me for John, but since he is
home and feeling a bit better, an onslaught on his mailbox is in order!!

Another blessing of this joyous season....Joel

=================

To: 
Subject: Big News
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:06:22 -0500
From: "Rick Redpath" 

I finally fixed my Baseball Card Wantist.  YES!!  I did it!!

Thank you all again for so many cards.

Happy holidays!

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 18:45:30 EST
Subject: John Ball
To: Glk@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com


GREAT NEWS !!  I sent a few cards to him yesterday.  John's been a great
member of OBC for a long time, although not so active recently because of his
health problems.  His want list isn't impossible, so I hope everyone will do
their best to send him some OBC cheer.  I'm off the Belize early tomorrow, so
we're celebrating tonight.  Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all . -

=================

To: Originaleek@webtv.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: EEK in the Mojave
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:25:05 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

Earl plants a Pilot on this pilot's wantlist with a 1970 Ted Kubiak!  I'm
getting close on those greys, but there are some big names remaining -
thanks to EEK, Kubiak is not one of them any more!  Thanks, Earl!!

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Fw: 1947 Tip Top Boston Braves Baseball Card
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 20:30:19 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

----- Original Message -----
From: Cindyicc@aol.com
To: wantlist@oldbaseball.com
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:11 PM
Subject: 1947 Tip Top Boston Braves Baseball Card

I am looking for a 1947 Tip Top Boston Braves baseball card for Henry "Hank"
Camelli. I believe it's #18. Do you have this card? Do you know of someone
who has this card and may want to sell it?

=================

To: "OBC Thanks" ,
Subject: test 2
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:15:13 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

=================

Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:00:58 -0600
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most popular name or OBCer
From: Gary Pearce 

At 05:34 AM 12/23/02, Originaleek@webtv.net wrote;
>I think we should ask K D if it counts!
>Whatever she says should decide it!?

She says, "Sure.  That's the only name I heard from my dad when I was in

And yes, Peter, she's the one with the binder of cards of catchers in game
action shots.  She also likes hockey goalies.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The Bobby Thomson Collection
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 9:56:28 +0000
From: Glenn Codere 

As some of you may know, I’ve recently been helping journalist Josh Prager (of the Wall St. Journal) to research the very early life of Glasgow-born Bobby Thomson. Josh is the guy who broke the story about the ’51 Giants sign-stealing earlier this year. He’s following up with a book on the ’51 season, focusing on the lives of the 2 guys at the center of the events of that year – Thomson and Ralph Branca.

While surfing Ebay last night, I stumbled across and made a bid for a ‘50B Thomson. It was then that I realised that, despite the fact that I’ve swapped letters with the man himself AND that he is Scotland’s – and more specifically Glasgow’s – most famous baseball son, my collection of Thomson material is sadly, sadly lacking.

So, the time has come to start a Bobby Thomson Collection in the city of his birth. I’ve tried to put together a basic list of Thomson material, and would appreciate any help that OBCers may be able to provide by way of additions or corrections.

The first thing that I need is confirmation of the fact that there were no Topps issued Thomson cards in 1953, 1954, or 1955, and no Bowman issue in 1953. Is this correct?

Thanks, guys!

Glenn’s “Bobby Thomson” List

I HAVE: 1948B #47, 1952 Red Man

I NEED:
Bowman – 1949 #18, 1950 #28, 1951 #126, 1952 #2, 1954 #201, 1955 #102
Topps – 1952 #313, 1956 #257, 1957 #252, 1958 #430, 1959 #429, 1960 #153
Berk Ross – 1952 #66

=================

To: 
Subject: Help !! Virus Problem ??
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:48:40 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 

Can anybody assist with what may be a virus problem?  I am having trouble with
the stability of certain basic MS programs... Internet Explorer won't run,
nor will Windows Explorer.  Netscape does but it did shut down on me once.
 Outlook Express seems to be fine.

I have had Norton AV Auto Protect Enabled all this time and the definitionsseem
to be up to date.  Did a scan yesterday and nothing came up.   I havegotten
infected email messages over the last months but I thought Norton was
taking care of it effectively.

You may have noticed a message sent with my return address to the Thanks group
Sunday morning.  If you look at it thru Yahoo-Groups you can see that afile
was attached and  it appears to be infected to me.  I didn't send that
email personally although it may very well have come from my computer if a
virus is at work.  Then again I am aware that it could have come from somewhere
else with my return address attached.

I'm not sure what to do next....... I have sent Error Reports to MS..... dothey
ever do anything about them???

Thanks for reading, have a great Holiday !!!!!!!

=================

To: "OBC Thanks" ,
Subject: bounce test (again)
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:52:49 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Sorry, I discovered last night that Yahoo has been "bouncing" me again.  This
is yet another test.......

-- John

=================

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:03:35 EST
Subject: updated variation list
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I added some new variations for 1952 Topps, and added a new section covering
1948 and 1960 Leaf to my variation list. If you know of others that aren't
listed, please let me know. The link to the variation lists is   Prewar
Collector Page

=================

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 18:51:59 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Merry Christmas to all!!
From: "kevin71058 " 

Hi all,

I just wanted to Wish all of You and Your Families a Very Merry

May Santa bring you many presents..

Merry Christmas
Kevin M

=================

Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 19:09:57 EST
Subject: From the Land of Lincoln - finally a White Christmas.
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com

Hi! All,
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.  May we all find and fill our binders
or whatever with great cards, etc. in the coming year.
The Goto's - Kent, Harriet, and Kristy.

=================

Date: 25 Dec 2002 13:50:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: A tip of the
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 

OBC cap goes out to Wayne Delia, my OBC Santa this year for a terrific hit
to my growing list of esoterica.  I'd tried everything that I knew to
figure out Wayne's hint which was "take the little round white thing and
throw it at the big square white thing".  Sounds baseball-like.  Must be
instructions to some sort of game.  Turns out that Wayne was describing
#16 from the 1937 How To series of Rabbit Maranville,  "How to Throw to
Bases".  I picked up 8 of these pretty cheaply a while back and added the
set to my WL, and Wayne nust have ventured to inactiveland to find it.
Thanks Wayne for a great hit.  Hope to be off the inactive list any time
now as I have packets ready to go.

Have an error-free season.

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 13:02:04 EST
Subject: True OBC Spirit!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Wow! I was surprised to receive a package from Mac Wubben with a note that

"Rick, I read that you didn't sign up for the OBC gift exchange this
year..too busy I guess. Still, I thought it would be nice if you had
something to tear into on Christmas morning. Enjoy, Mac"

Mac no words can describe how you have lifted my spirits!

My sincere THANKS to Mac Wubben for the following surprise OBC Santa package
that contained:

One 1963 Topps George Banks, two 1933 Goudey's (Warren Ogden and Willie
Kamm), one 1963 Topps Bob Sadowski, one 1967 Topps Al Weis and last but not
least a 1963 Topps WILLIE MAYS!!!!!!! WOW, WOW, THANKS Santa Mac for showing
the true spirit of OBC and including me in the gift exchange, even though it
was one way!!!!!!! The card are awesome and I am thrilled!!!!!!!

Another Baseball Quote:

"Baseball is a fun game. It beats working for a living."

------Phil Linz New York Yankees infielder

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 22:08:25 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 69 milton bradley up for grabs
From: "mark zentkovich " 

many commons and stars up for grabs, looking to trade for any similar
baseball...all of these are nm, nice shape..

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 20:11:08 EST
Subject: Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com

Hi all-
Best wishes for a merry christmas and happy holidays.  I am doing my best to
take a day with family without thinking about work, house projects, finances,
etc.  It's our daughter's first christmas !  My wife's sister is home and off
to an encouraging start to her recovery from a major operation, so that gives
us another reason to be thankfull and we were able to visit her and her
husband today.
You may not be hearing from me too often at other times as I try to squeeze
in all of those other things and family, too.  It is fun to pull out some
cards once in a while, and Sarah enjoys Tiptonizing some of my hockey cards.

=================

Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 23:19:59 EST
Subject: The Staten Island Scot
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com

Well, Unlike say Mike Piazza (who I like but the card companies have deemed
fit to issue over 800 cards of) Bobby Thomson Cards are a bit easier to
assemble (Major Issues):

52 Topps # 313
56 Topps #257
57 Topps # 262
58 Topps #430
59 Topps #429
60 Topps #153
48 Bowman #47
49 Bowman #18
50 Bowman #28
51 Bowman #126
52 Bowman #2
54 Bowman #201
55 Bowman #102
52 Berk Ross
52 Coke
50 Drakes #9
47 Exhibit
58 Hires #46
54 Johnston Cookies #34
55 Johnston Cookies #34
R346 #41
55 Robert F. Gould #23
52 Red Man #NL24
53 Red Man #NL25
49 Royal #10
52 Royal
59 San Francisco Call Bulletin
79 TCMA #202 (Assume Stars of the 50's)

Not sure why he had no cards in 1953.  Weird, actually.

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Staten Island Scot
Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 11:46:22 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Although they are "UV", there is a 1991 Bowman #410 which commemorates "The
shot heard around
the world".  It is a view of the home run from high up along the first base
line.  Actually a pretty nifty
card.  Also, in the '53 archives set topps put out, #330 (called one of the
"cards that never were") is
Bobby T.  So, these are sort of neat newer cards that could be included :)
Just FYI

----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2002 11:19 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Staten Island Scot

> Well, Unlike say Mike Piazza (who I like but the card companies have
> fit to issue over 800 cards of) Bobby Thomson Cards are a bit easier to
> assemble (Major Issues):
> 52 Topps # 313
> 56 Topps #257
> 57 Topps # 262
> 58 Topps #430
> 59 Topps #429
> 60 Topps #153
> 48 Bowman #47
> 49 Bowman #18
> 50 Bowman #28
> 51 Bowman #126
> 52 Bowman #2
> 54 Bowman #201
> 55 Bowman #102
> 52 Berk Ross
> 52 Coke
> D305
> 50 Drakes #9
> 47 Exhibit
> 58 Hires #46
> 54 Johnston Cookies #34
> 55 Johnston Cookies #34
> R346 #41
> 55 Robert F. Gould #23
> 52 Red Man #NL24
> 53 Red Man #NL25
> 49 Royal #10
> 52 Royal
> 59 San Francisco Call Bulletin
> 79 TCMA #202 (Assume Stars of the 50's)
> Not sure why he had no cards in 1953.  Weird, actually.
> Dave
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

=================

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:38:00 EST
Subject: Santa Tipton
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

As stated in a previous e-mail...Larry Tipton was my OBC Santa yesterday. I
could not wait...Included in the package was two programs, one from '76 and
one from '66 (the '66 program was in pristine condition). Also included was a
mini pennant (like the old send in pennants from the '60s that topps made).
Also included was a nice matchbook from 1940 with the Phillies schedule on
it. Also a very nice note. Thanks Larry. May your Christmas and the new year
be a happy, healthy, and fun one.

=================

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 16:57:51 EST
Subject: Christmas Innards
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com

Although I did not participate in the OBC Santa program, Lynn Miller sends
along a great keystone combination from 58 with Nellie Fox at second and Tony
Kubek at SS.

Thanks Lynn, the cards are much appreciated.

Rest well,

=================

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:59:09 EST
Subject: Before they end up on ebay
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Friend of mine handed me a stack of cards that he asked me to sell on ebay,
some minor stars and stars. He handed me them and a sheet of paper for what
he hopes are going to be the reserves on most of these. Several are in OBC
condition (some better, some worse). I asked him if I could offer them to the
group first. He said he would sell them to the group first for the reserves
and free shipping. So, if anything catches your interest let me know before I
throw them on ebay for him. Paypal is fine or a check.

'59 Topps #478 Clemente, f-g, heavy surface wear, small notch in right side,
corner wear, no creases                                                $25.00
'60 Topps #55 Maz, fair, creases, ink, corner wear                     $1.00
'61 Topps #435 Cepeda, vg, o/c, little corner wear, no creases    $8.00
'65 Topps #3 A.L. HR Leaders, Killebrew, Powell, Mantle, ex, slight o/c,
slight corner wear, no crease
'66 Topps #124 McGraw, ex+, nice card, printers mark at top     $2.00
'67 Topps #55 Drysdale, good, surface wear and scuffing, slight o/c, slight
corner wear, no creases                                                $4.00
'67 Topps #355 Yaz, vg, very o/c, corner and surface wear         $10.00
'68 Topps #390 Maz (2 of these) one with creases, rounded corners, one with
just rounded corners                        $2.00 and $1.00 or $2.50 for both
'68 Topps #410 Jenkins ex+, nice card with just a printers mark and slight
o/c $7.50
'69 Topps #200 Gibson, fair, rounded corners, creases, etc.       $1.00
'69 Topps #216 Sutton, vg+, o/c, printers marks, no creases      $3.00
'69 Topps #465 John, ex, slight corner wear, no creases            $4.00
'72 Topps #92 A.L. ERA Leaders, Blue, Wood, Palmer, vg+, rounded corners,
printer marks, no creases,                                              $1.00
'72 Topps #130 Gibson, poor, creases, rounded corners, o/c, etc. $1.00
'72 Topps #200 Brock, g-vg, water mark, o/c, rounded corners,  $2.00
'73 Topps #84 Fingers, ex+, slight o/c, very slight corner wear   $1.00
'73 Topps #90 B. Robinson, 6 different, all between ex and fair.
All between $1.00 and $5.00
'74 Topps #85 Morgan, ex+, slight corner wear, slight o/c         $3.00
'74 Topps #220 Sutton, vg, creases, corner and surface wear, o/c $1.00
'74 Topps #470 A.L. Playoff, Reggie, vg, corner wear, slight o/c  $1.00
'75 Topps #2 Brock Highlights, vg, slight creases, slight o/c, slight corner
wear $1.00
'75 Topps #104 Madlock, f-g, creases, corner rounding,             $0.50
'75 Topps #223 Yount RC, vg, slight surface wear, corner rounding, no crease
'75 Topps #280 Yaz, vg, diamond cut, slight corner rounding      $3.00
'75 Topps #370 Seaver, vg, o/c, printer mark, corner wear, no creases, $3.00
'75 Topps #540 Brock, vg-, crease, o/c, corner wear                  $2
'75 Topps #660 Aaron (2 different), first is fair, $3.00, other is good $6.00
'76 Topps #520 McCovey (3 different), good $1.00, vg $2.00, vg $2.00

Whole lot for $130. (Total for lot before discount: $156.50)

Let me know if you are interested...I have not picked up a price guide in 9
years so I do not know if these are good or not but they seem fair from what
I have seen on ebay and at shows.

=================

Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2002 22:55:48 EST
Subject: My Denise....A special thanks
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

Peter's been talking about the multiple Denise's that are our significant
others, I'll tell you about one of them.

I mentioned before that it is my birthday.

Well, my wife hands me a new wallet. Seemed like an ok present, if a little
skimpy. She said, "Well, open it up." Five twenty dollar bills. I was a bit
bemused.....She said "Now use that to finally finish up that 1960 set you're
always talking about."

Well, since I only need three cards, that should do it, especially since they
are not the really big bangers from the set. So, Ebay here I come.

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 12:59:12 EST
Subject: Fwd:
To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com
From: "txpoobah47" 
To: 
Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 21:12:44 -0600

Hello Rick

Its been way too long. Hope you and yours have had a merry Christmas and hope
for a Happy New Year. The last year has been something else. We finally sold
the house and Susan joined me in Dallas last year in early December.  I
then spent four months trying to get a DSL connection and lost all my email
info along with the txpoobah address. I was not a happy camper.

Work provided its challenges, a new president, system problems, some long days
and finally a layoff. I get to stay around till the 10th of January andthen
have a three month severance package. Its going to be a challenge to find
a new position at age 55, but something will work out. Right now I'm trying
to find an accounting practice to buy. One deal looks promising

Something is in store for me. It just for me to find out. If I had stayed at
the job back in East Texas the company there is being shut down within the
next few weeks. Plus I doubt whether I would have found out about my heart
condition before I actually had an attack. God does work in mysterious ways.

I wish you would pass on my thanks to some people who have sent packages inthe
last few months .

Mike Rich
Bob Donaldson
Steve Rittenberg
Kent Goto
Doug Smith
Jeff Sinclair
Andy Cook
Jeff Sackman
Lynn Miiller

The power of cardboard is remarkable. Your mail showed up on some dark daysand
really gave me a lift. My thanks to all of you and maybe I might have a
little more time than I ever thought to get back and active with the group.

I still have two boxes of sports books and the emails for those who wanted them.
Just have to find the boxes.... gee moving is fun.

Thought of the whole group tonight. I imagine the notes on the exchange arefloating
around now.

Tell Margaret hi for me and take care

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 15:24:14 EST
Subject: THIS MIGHT BE CRAZY buts its a try....New Englanders help a NY,er
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

Hey Fellow OBCers, Rob Gioia From NY here I was wondering if anyone in the
New England Area Knew ANyone selling Patriots tickets for this Sundays game,
Ken is looking around for me, but i could use as much help as possible, ANY
HELP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED, if anyone gets any leads on decent priced
tixx please call me anytime 24hrs  on my cell @ 914-755-6835
thank you

=================

Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:20:02 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Kruk cards - S & H Gouging.
From: "RRFARRELL " 

I had dealt with Kruk cards many times in the past.  They do auctions
on ebay and I have ordered from their website.  I got a recent email
advertising a 30% off sale and ordered two cards totalling about 24
bucks.  They sent an invoice with a 6.50 shipping charge.  They had
NEVER charged me such a sum before and I questioned them on it.  They
claim they have always charged such a fee and if I had been charged
less in the past I had been given a break.  I have saved my orders
from them in the past and had never been charged more than 3 bucks
for S & H before.  I absolutely refuse to pay 6.50 for two cards to
be shipped.
I advised them to cancel the order an remove me from their mailing
Has anyone dealt with them in the past ?  Have you been charged such
a fee ?
I'm disappointed because I had never had problems with them before.

I posted the email exchange for anyone interested in reading it.  I
would stop short of saying they were rude, but they certainly were
not very customer friendly (or honest !).

You were given a break the first time.
Name is removed.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

It has always been 6.50 ?
It has not always been 6.50 as evidenced by my last order (#8700).
You have lost you a repeat customer.  In addition I will be passing
this communication onto several hundred on line collectors whom I
trade regularly with.
Please remove my address from your email list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: Bob Farrell
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: order # 9571

It always has been $6.50. After giving too many breaks on shipping it
has been returned to what it is supposed to be.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:06 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

How long has minumum shipping been 6.50 ?
My last order (#8700) on 10/16/02 had a shipping charge of 3 dollars.
Certainly a more reasonable figure.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: Bob Farrell
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: order # 9571

Minimum shipping is $6.50.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:15 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

The attatchment did not come through.
The final price of 30.65 seems high.

17.00+17.50=34.50 less 30% = 24.15.
Is it really 6.50 to mail two cards ?

Please let me know.  Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: rrfarrell@cox.net
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: order # 9571

Please review the attached invoice.

Your order number is: 9571

Your total due is: $30.65

Please confirm receipt of this notice!

Online orders will be held for 7 days.

Please use your order number on all correspondence and put on the

of your envelope.  Please e-mail your shipping address and phone
number to

up the shipping process.

**Our PayPal ID is orders@krukcards.com**

*****Allow ten business days for checks to clear for orders over $100

Please send check or money order to (and make checks payable to):

KRUK CARDS INC.

145 S. Livernois Rd  PMB #236

Rochester Hills, MI 48307

Phone: 248-656-8803

Fax: 248-656-6547

E-Mail:  orders@krukcards.com

Thank you for your order and we look forward to doing more business

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

=================

To: 
Subject: Kruk cards - S & H Gouging.
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 16:02:31 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Bob et al…it is strange indeed…they sell a lot on Evilbay using the name
orders@krukcards.com  . Funny, there they
charge $3 for shipping a single card. Does it cost more for 2? I don’t THINK
so.  Of course that is for low value cards…they charge more for higher value
cards, but that doesn’t cover insurance or anything, they just want to make
more off postage. I have never figured out why it seems to cost more to ship
a $2 card than it does a $20 card, insurance notwithstanding.

Another one to stay away from.

I had dealt with Kruk cards many times in the past.  They do auctions
on ebay and I have ordered from their website.  I got a recent email
advertising a 30% off sale and ordered two cards totalling about 24
bucks.  They sent an invoice with a 6.50 shipping charge.  They had
NEVER charged me such a sum before and I questioned them on it.  They
claim they have always charged such a fee and if I had been charged
less in the past I had been given a break.  I have saved my orders
from them in the past and had never been charged more than 3 bucks
for S & H before.  I absolutely refuse to pay 6.50 for two cards to
be shipped.
I advised them to cancel the order an remove me from their mailing
Has anyone dealt with them in the past ?  Have you been charged such
a fee ?
I'm disappointed because I had never had problems with them before.

I posted the email exchange for anyone interested in reading it.  I
would stop short of saying they were rude, but they certainly were
not very customer friendly (or honest !).

You were given a break the first time.
Name is removed.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 3:22 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

It has always been 6.50 ?
It has not always been 6.50 as evidenced by my last order (#8700).
You have lost you a repeat customer.  In addition I will be passing
this communication onto several hundred on line collectors whom I
trade regularly with.
Please remove my address from your email list.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: Bob Farrell
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 8:40 AM
Subject: RE: order # 9571

It always has been $6.50. After giving too many breaks on shipping it
has been returned to what it is supposed to be.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 5:06 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

How long has minumum shipping been 6.50 ?
My last order (#8700) on 10/16/02 had a shipping charge of 3 dollars.
Certainly a more reasonable figure.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: Bob Farrell
Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 7:27 AM
Subject: RE: order # 9571

Minimum shipping is $6.50.

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Farrell [mailto:rrfarrell@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:15 PM
To: Kruk Cards
Subject: Re: order # 9571

The attatchment did not come through.
The final price of 30.65 seems high.

17.00+17.50=34.50 less 30% = 24.15.
Is it really 6.50 to mail two cards ?

Please let me know.  Thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kruk Cards
To: rrfarrell@cox.net
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:33 AM
Subject: order # 9571

Please review the attached invoice.

Your order number is: 9571

Your total due is: $30.65

Please confirm receipt of this notice!

Online orders will be held for 7 days.

Please use your order number on all correspondence and put on the

of your envelope.  Please e-mail your shipping address and phone
number to

up the shipping process.

**Our PayPal ID is orders@krukcards.com**

*****Allow ten business days for checks to clear for orders over $100

Please send check or money order to (and make checks payable to):

KRUK CARDS INC.

145 S. Livernois Rd  PMB #236

Rochester Hills, MI 48307

Phone: 248-656-8803

Fax: 248-656-6547

E-Mail:  orders@krukcards.com

Thank you for your order and we look forward to doing more business

Our Searchable Online Database is now up and running,
Check out www.krukcards.com.

Thanks Alot Kruk Cards

"The largest choice of cards anywhere on the NET."

Kruk Cards Inc.
145 S. Livernois Rd PMB #236
Rochester, MI 48307
Phone: 248-656-8803
Fax: 248-656-6547

PAYPAL ID = orders@krukcards.com

To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:

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 .

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:27:57 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Post Baseball Availables
From: "jimbo777777 " 

Howdy folks.  I recently picked up some Posties from ebay.  After the
usual weeding process, I still have the following available, free to
a good home.  Warning - many of these are not for the condition
sensitive.  Tape, writing, miscuts, creases.  You name it, they've
been through it.  Can't beat the price, though!  Have at 'em.

1963:  9 22 25 93 131 157 173

1962: 4 13 17 24 27 39 40 54 65 66 68 70 71 74 80 93 105 106 107 132
136 153 171 182 184 190 194 196

1961: 3 16 17 26 44 76 87 100 108 118 119 121 141 151 154 165

=================

Date: 28 Dec 2002 15:29:23 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Back in the saddle again
From: "obcjohn@knology.net" 

Guys and Gals,

It's good to be among the living again; not that I was sick, but good to
have some time to do what I love best, play with old cardboard.  I've got
packages ready to go out but I need an updated OBC Directory as I've got
stuff for some of the newcomers but don't have addresses.

I've done some Ebaying during my hibernation and have a good bit of prewar
dupes.  I also went temporarily insane while inactive and added a bunch
more stuff to the prewar list, mostly impossible sets or arcane stuff.  By
the way, another round of Kudos to Wayne for the great Santa hit to the
1937 Maranville set.

In general, things have calmed down a bit in Bamaland.  The family is
gathered for the holidays and we're about to head to Memphis to see my
parents who just celebrated their 67th anniversary.  I should live to be
67 much less be married that long.

I've chatted recently with a couple of you and hope to get more back into
the swing of things.  Best wishes for a happy and properous New Year.

Have an error-free season

=================

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 13:03:58 EST
Subject: Fwd: Glad I read these
To: joan.daly@reg5.k12.ct.us, mary.funk@reg5.k12.ct.us,
From: friar4@aol.com
From: "Bill Gargano" 
To: "Joe & A;retta Cianciolo" 
Subject: Glad I read these
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 04:55:15 -0500

Subject: glad I read these
Have a few extra minutes? If you do, check out the following two
stories. If you're like most people, you won't be sorry...
> >
> > STORY NUMBER ONE
> > Many years ago, Al Capone virtually owned Chicago. Capone wasn't famousfor
> > anything heroic. His exploits were anything but praise-worthy. He was,
> > however, notorious for enmeshing the windy city in everything from
> > bootlegged booze and prostitution to murder.
> > Capone had a lawyer in Chicago nicknamed "Easy Eddie." He was his lawyer
> > a good reason. Eddie was very good! In fact, Eddie's skill at legal
> > maneuvering kept Big Al out of jail for a long time. To show his
> > appreciation, Capone paid him very well. Not only was the money big,
> > but Eddie got special dividends. For instance, he and his family occupied
> > fenced-in mansion with live-in help and all of the conveniences of the
> > day. The estate was so large that it filled an entire Chicago City block.
> > Yes, Eddie lived the high life of the Chicago mob and gave little
> > consideration to the atrocity that went on around him.
> > Eddie did have one soft spot, however. He had a son that he loved dearly.
> > Eddie saw to it that his young son had the best of everything:
> > clothes, cars, and a good education. Nothing was withheld. Price was no
> > object. And, despite his involvement with organized crime, Eddie even tried
> > teach him right from wrong. Yes, Eddie tried to teach his son to rise above
> > his own sordid life. Eddie wanted his son to be a better man than he was.
Yet, with all his
> > wealth and influence, there were two things he couldn't give his son;
> > two things that Eddie sacrificed to the Capone mob that he couldn't pass
> > on to his beloved son: a good name and a good example.
> > One day, Easy Eddie reached a difficult decision. Offering his son a
> > good name was far more important than all the riches he could lavish on
> > him. Easy Eddie wanted to rectify all the wrong he had done. He decided
> > he would go to the authorities and tell the truth about Al "Scarface" Capone;
> > he would try to clean up his tarnished name and offer his son some semblance
> > of integrity. But to do this, he would have to testify against The Mob,and
he knew
> > that the cost would be great. But more than anything, he wanted to be an
> > example to his son. He wanted to do his best to make restoration and,
> > hopefully, have a good name to leave his son. So, he testified.
> > Within the year, Easy Eddie's life ended in a blaze of gunfire on alonely
> > Chicago Street. But in his eyes, he had given his son the greatest gifthe
had to offer,
> > at the greatest price he would ever pay.
> > * * * * *
STORY NUMBER TWO
> > World War II produced many heroes. One such man was Lieutenant Commander
> > Butch O'Hare. He was a fighter pilot assigned to the aircraft carrier
> > Lexington in the South Pacific.
> > One day his entire squadron was sent on a mission. After he was
> > airborne, he
> > looked at his fuel gauge and realized that someone had forgotten to top
> > off
> > his fuel tank. He would not have enough fuel to complete his mission
> > and get back to his ship. His flight leader told him to return to the
> > carrier.
> > Reluctantly, he dropped out of formation and headed back to the
> > fleet. As he was returning to the mother ship he saw something that
> > turned his
> > blood cold. A squadron of Japanese aircraft were speeding their way
> > toward theAmerican fleet.
> > The American fighters were gone on a sortie, and the fleet was all but
> > defenseless. He couldn't reach his squadron and bring them back in
> > time to save the fleet. Nor could he warn the fleet of the approaching
> > danger. There was only one thing to do. He must somehow divert them
> > from the fleet.
> > Laying aside all thoughts of personal safety, he dove into the formation
> > of
> > Japanese planes. Wing-mounted 50 calibers blazed as he charged in,
> > attacking
> > one surprised enemy plane and then another.
> > Butch wove in and out of the now broken formation and fired at as many
> > planes as possible until all his ammunition was finally spent.
> > Undaunted, he continued the assault. He dove at the planes, trying to
> > clip off a wing or tail in hopes of damaging as many enemy planes as
> > possible and rendering them unfit to fly. He was desperate to do
> > anything he
> > could to keep them from reaching the American ships.
> > Finally, the exasperated Japanese squadron took off in another
> > direction.
> > Deeply relieved, Butch O'Hare and his tattered fighter limped back to
> > the carrier.
> > Upon arrival he reported in and related the event surrounding his
> > return.
> > The film from the gun-camera mounted on his plane told the tale. It
> > showed
> > the extent of Butch's daring attempt to protect his fleet. He had in
> > fact destroyed five enemy aircraft.
> > This took place on February 20, 1942, and for that action Butch became
> > the
> > Navy's first Ace of W.W.II, and the first Naval Aviator to win the
> > Congressional Medal of Honor.
> > A year later Butch was killed in aerial combat at the age of 29.  His
> > home
> > town would not allow the memory of this WW II hero to fade, and today,
> > O'Hare Airport in Chicago is named in tribute to the courage of this
> > great
> > man. So the next time you find yourself at O'Hare International, give
> > some thought to visiting Butch's memorial
> > displaying his statue and his Medal of Honor. It's located between
> > Terminals 1 and 2.
> > * * * * *
> > SO WHAT DO THESE TWO STORIES HAVE TO DO WITH EACH OTHER?
> >
> >
> > Butch O'Hare was Easy Eddies son.
> >
> >       MERRY CHRISTMAS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

=================

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:30:46 -0500 (EST)
To: LynnM@piol.net (68/340S), OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: Lynn/ 73 Bradshaw
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

Thanks goes to ex Navy guy Lynn Miller for a nice Christmas card & a 73
Terry Bradshaw!

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1983348473: LOOK!! 1952BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BBCARD NO.101
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:01:44 PST
From: nthomas@pol.net

Real or not?  Any ideas?

Title of item:	LOOK!! 1952BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BBCARD NO.101
Starts:	Dec-18-02 15:38:42 PST
Ends:	Dec-28-02 15:38:42 PST
Price:	Currently $49.95
To bid on the item, go to:	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983348473

Item Description:
HI,YOU ARE BIDDING ON A 1952 BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BASEBALL CARD ..THIS CARD WAS TRIMMED AND PUT IN A OVAL PICTURE FRAME ..THATS WHAT CAN HAPPEN WHEN OUR MOTHERS GET A HOLD OF OUR PRIZED CARDS....COLOR IS STILL GREAT FOR ITS AGE FRONT AND BACK...NO TEARS OR CREASES....WISH IT STILL HAD THE CORNERS...IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WELL WORTH GRADING THIS CARD...THIS CARD WOULD BE GOOD FOR FILLING YOUR 52 BOWMAN SET ...OR IF YOU ARE A BIG MICKEY MANTLE FAN AND COLLECTOR OF HIS CARDS... YOU ALSO CAN ALWAYS PUT IT BACK IN A PICTURE FRAME OND PUT ON YOUR DESK...I HAVE HAD THIS FOR ALOT OF YEARS ITS TIME TO LET IT GO TO A GOOD HOME HAPPY BIDDING....THERE IS A VERY LOW RESERVE...THANKS

Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: virus emails
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:52:31 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

I have received seven emails today from a Deidre McClain that contain a
virus.  I have no idea who that is, but if she is in your address book, you
probably have a virus I would guess...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

=================

Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 18:54:14 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
From: Neal Thomas 

I've had a ton today as well.  Looks like someone hit the OBC
emails. Careful.

------------------ Reply Separator --------------------
Originally From: "Geno Wagner" 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
Date: 12/28/2002 03:52pm

OBCers --

I have received seven emails today from a Deidre McClain that
contain a
virus.  I have no idea who that is, but if she is in your address
book, you
probably have a virus I would guess...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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To: , 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:13:55 -0800
From: "John Collins" 

Hi all,

Just a warning, I too have received a bunch (at least 7) e-mails with viruses
today.  Beware....

----- Original Message -----
From: Geno Wagner
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails

OBCers --

I have received seven emails today from a Deidre McClain that contain a
virus.  I have no idea who that is, but if she is in your address book, you
probably have a virus I would guess...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 19:24:35 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, illini90@earthlink.net,
From: smartalecx@aol.com

and i have put the "mcclain" email address into my mail controls to block it,
and it still gets through.   must be a phony address as well.  gm

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 09:07:40 +0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
From: Lynn Miller 

I too have received 7 notifications from Norton through my virus
protection program of email from Deidre McClain with varying subjects.
So beware, if you don't have virus protection, odds are that everyone
on OBC directory email list has probably become infected and it will be
a mess to cleanup if you don't have some type of program to eliminate
it.   Lynn

John Collins wrote:

> Hi all,
> Just a warning, I too have received a bunch (at least 7) e-mails with
> viruses today.  Beware....
> John
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Geno Wagner 
>     To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>     
>     Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:52 PM
>     Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] virus emails
>     OBCers --
>     I have received seven emails today from a Deidre McClain that
>     contain a
>     virus.  I have no idea who that is, but if she is in your address
>     book, you
>     probably have a virus I would guess...
>     Geno
>     Geno Wagner
>     illini90@earthlink.net 
>     Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.
>     To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>     OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>     
>     Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
>     Service .
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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#1983348473: LOOK!! 1952BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BBCARD NO.101
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 17:14:54 -0800
From: "AL Cummings" 

looked like a real 52B to me, trimmed and tipton shape. Went for $150 which
might not be a bad deal.
Big Al
----- Original Message -----
From: 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#1983348473:
LOOK!! 1952BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BBCARD NO.101

> Real or not?  Any ideas?
> Title of item: LOOK!! 1952BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BBCARD NO.101
> Seller: hickspicks2002
> Starts: Dec-18-02 15:38:42 PST
> Ends: Dec-28-02 15:38:42 PST
> Price: Currently $49.95
> To bid on the item, go to:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1983348473
> Item Description:
> HI,YOU ARE BIDDING ON A 1952 BOWMAN MICKEY MANTLE BASEBALL CARD ..THIS
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WHEN OUR MOTHERS GET A HOLD OF OUR PRIZED CARDS....COLOR IS STILL GREAT FOR
ITS AGE FRONT AND BACK...NO TEARS OR CREASES....WISH IT STILL HAD THE
CORNERS...IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WELL WORTH GRADING THIS CARD...THIS CARD WOULD
BE GOOD FOR FILLING YOUR 52 BOWMAN SET ...OR IF YOU ARE A BIG MICKEY MANTLE
FAN AND COLLECTOR OF HIS CARDS... YOU ALSO CAN ALWAYS PUT IT BACK IN A
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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Deirdre Virus
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 01:27:40 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

It might be worth mentioning that the easiest way not to get infected is
simply not to open these emails at all. Just delete them right away, and
remember to empty your "deleted items" or "trash" directories, too!

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 23:27:55 -0800
Subject: Fw: Re: WELCOME TO OBC!!
From: Peter Iversen 

Got a note back from TOM HOUSLEY after telling him he was now a member of
OBC that I thought you'd all enjoy.  The letter also has a link to Tom's
Want List...

Hooray for Positive Experiences...!

----- Forwarded Message -----
From: DirectorTH@aol.com
To: marcpeter@juno.com
Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 11:32:39 EST
Subject: Re: WELCOME TO OBC!!
Message-ID: 

Wow, what a terrific Christmas present! Thank you very much for the
notification; I look forward to meeting new friends on OBC. I've been
with VCT for a couple of months now, & if OBC is anything at all like VCT
(and I'm sure it is) then I know this will be a very positive experience.
In casr you'd like to have it now, my want list is posted here:
http://hometown.aol.com/directorth/myhomepage/index.html

Now, let me head on over to the OBC site & see if I can do some damage to
some want lists!

Thanks again,
Tom Housley
=================

To: 
Subject: Re: Virus
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 07:30:22 -0500
From: "larry.tipton" 

I too received several of the messages containing a virus picked up by
Norton Util.
Should we remove our email addresses from the online Directory?
Does anyone use this feature anyway?

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=================

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:20:46 +0800
To: Ramblings 
Subject: Attention GPNW Chapter
From: Lynn Miller 

Grant,  Mike, Al, Dave, Brian, Pete(and I may not have his email correct
so if any of you others can confirm this with him I'd appreciate it),
and whomever else I may have left out
My son Hank (Henry) who is in the Navy in Norfolk VA right now, is
contemplating going to Seattle to spend some time with an old childhood
friend who now lives there.  John Smith (no kidding).  Hank is hoping to
fly a military space available flight to Whidbey Island sometime around
the 1st or 2nd for only a week or so.   All I know is that John lives in
North Seattle and this is his phone number 206-362-8657.  I've asked
Hank if it's OK if he has an opportunity, to meet some of you.  He's
nervous about that coz he's not comfortable with strangers.  I've
assured him he has a lot of "uncles and aunts" who would like to meet
him as a way of being an extended part of me.  I know you will make him
feel right at home.  I'm not sure how much time he will have to spend
with any of you, but it might be best to meet him as a group for an hour
or two if it can be arranged.  Try calling John and giving him a
heads-up on this explaining who you are and what this is about.  I
haven't contact John, so he doesn't have a clue.  Have John let someone
designated the point man for the meeting, know when Hank arrives in
Thanks, Lynn

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "larry.tipton" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 06:54:38 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

Guru --

I personally use the emails in the online directory almost every day.  I'm
no expert at viruses, but I doubt we got it from the on-line directory.  My
guess is somebody has it on their computer and it got passed that way.
Just my two cents...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

> [Original Message]
> From: larry.tipton 
> To: 
> Date: 12/29/2002 4:35:46 AM
> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
> I too received several of the messages containing a virus picked up by
> Norton Util.
> Should we remove our email addresses from the online Directory?
> Does anyone use this feature anyway?
> Guru
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Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 10:55:44 EST
Subject: Need technical help
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

That virus seems to have really attacked my Windows XP system. I can't
open most of my programs, including anything I have designed to fight
viruses. I could use some advice. So far, it has not effected my AOL or
Internet Explorer and I seem to be able to open files, even if I cannot open
the program directly that created those files.

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 11:11:24 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

yep, would not go after the e-mails as I have not seen them to be a problem

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 13:12:33 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

I also would not want to remove our list of e-mails.  Is it possible that
this virus sender is somehow related to the ex-con and 30 game winner D.

In a message dated 12/29/2002 6:54:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
illini90@earthlink.net writes:

> Subj: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
>  Date: 12/29/2002 6:54:38 AM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: illini90@earthlink.net
>  To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, larry.tipton@netzero.net
>  Sent from the Internet
> Guru --
> I personally use the emails in the online directory almost every day.  I'm
> no expert at viruses, but I doubt we got it from the on-line directory.  My
> guess is somebody has it on their computer and it got passed that way.
> Just my two cents...
> Geno
> Geno Wagner
> illini90@earthlink.net
> Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.
> >[Original Message]
> >From: larry.tipton 
> >To: 
> >Date: 12/29/2002 4:35:46 AM
> >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Virus
> >
> >I too received several of the messages containing a virus picked up by
> >Norton Util.
> >Should we remove our email addresses from the online Directory?
> >Does anyone use this feature anyway?
> >Guru
> >

=================

Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 14:29:13 EST
Subject: Local Show and Variation
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com
From: jdelott@aol.com

I prepared for the New Year by attending a local card show.  Only two dealers
had any cards reasonably priced of interest, but they included some nice
buys.  I picked up 5 Topps '52s for $5; 3 Topps '53 for $4.50, a '54 Lasorda
rookie for $20, and 5 '64 and '67 highs.  I also broke down and spent $5 for
a '66 Richardson to close out that set (only upgrades now).  Finally, for
those variation collectors out there, I picked up a '67 Bob Bruce, the
"RBAVES" version.  Anyone looking for that card?

=================

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:21:25 EST
Subject: A note from Terry Woods
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

OBC - After the chat session tonight I realized that perhaps Terry's note was
not read by all. I should not have forwarded it like I did so, I will paste
it below and hopefully everyone will have a chance to know how our old friend
"Txpoobah" is, he had a rough year, heart attack, moving, couldn't get a
internet connection with his old email address, and lost his job.

I realize he hasn't paid his dues and I will be happy to pay them for him and
I would also like everyone to be patient as he finds a new email address for
the group, perhaps the one he sent me "txpoobah47@sbcglobal.net" is the one
that will work on the servers etc.

Meanwhile, I think the OBCAC should consider an exemption for Terry Woods
before he is removed from the group. Of all the people that deserves
consideration, especially this time of year, Terry should afterall, he is the
one that started the card exchange and ran it for years!

I respectfully request that the OBCAC discuss exempting Terry Woods from
being removed from this group.

His message follows:

Hello Rick

Its been way too long. Hope you and yours have had a merry Christmas and hope
for a Happy New Year. The last year has been something else. We finally sold
the house and Susan joined me in Dallas last year in early December. I then
spent four months trying to get a DSL connection and lost all my email info
along with the txpoobah address. I was not a happy camper.

Work provided its challenges, a new president, system problems, some long
days and finally a layoff. I get to stay around till the 10th of January and
then have a three month severance package. Its going to be a challenge to
find a new position at age 55, but something will work out. Right now I'm
trying to find an accounting practice to buy. One deal looks promising

Something is in store for me. It just for me to find out. If I had stayed at
the job back in East Texas the company there is being shut down within the
next few weeks. Plus I doubt whether I would have found out about my heart
condition before I actually had an attack. God does work in mysterious ways.

I wish you would pass on my thanks to some people who have sent packages in
the last few months .

Mike Rich
Bob Donaldson
Steve Rittenberg
Kent Goto
Doug Smith
Jeff Sinclair
Andy Cook
Jeff Sackman
Lynn Miiller

The power of cardboard is remarkable. Your mail showed up on some dark days
and reallygave me a lift.My thanks to all of you and maybe I might have
little more time than I ever thought to get back and active with the group.

I still have two boxes of sports books and the emails for those who wanted
them. Just have to find the boxes.... gee moving is fun.

Thought of the whole group tonight. I imagine the notes on the exchange are
floating around now.

Tell Margaret hi for me and take care

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Apology
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:56:22 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

All -- Rick's message re: Terry Woods was written directly as a result of a"shoot
from the hip comment" I made to him tonight about Terry.    I immediately
regretted it.    I tried apologizing to Rick outside the chat room (and
ending this matter) without success.

As far as I know, NO ONE is in danger of being kicked out of OBC for failure
to pay dues.   OBC Treasurer, Doug Smith, has none of the pettiness that I
have regarding these matters.

I'll be staying offline and out of the chat rooms until I can learn to think
before I speak.

I apologize to Rick for speaking out of turn and to OBC for giving the impression
that my views are shared by anyone else, on the OBCAC or in the group
as a whole.
=================

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 02:09:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
To: tply@aol.com
From: Mark S Talbot 


Hello All,

    Rick got out of the chat room far too early for me
to echo his sentiments personally.  I was in the middle of typing
out my thoughts in the chat when Rick left abruptly, so let me share with
you now.

    It was only recently that the need for dues from
our members has taken place.  Of course it was necessary to defray
cost that I understand were generally taken on by one or two of the members
in the past, Jim Montgomery's name comes to mind here.  These were
not rookies like myself but fellas like Terry, Rick and Jim who have been
long standing members and are keys to the history of the group.  There
are plenty of us to pay dues who can afford to do so and Doug does a great
job reminding us procrastinators about it.  Certainly we do not need
to burden those who cannot or may be to proud to ask.  Especially
long term members like Terry.  It would be a shame to kick him or
anybody out because they couldn't come up with a ten spot for dues or were
having email problems as was discussed in the chat tonight.

    Rick has always impressed me with his bold stands
when he sees an injustice and I for one stand behind him.  Terry and
some other members deserve to be OBC'er for life.  I also request
that the OBCAC review the policy of expulsion from the group due to lack
of paying dues and allow long standing members such as Terry a little leeway. 
Just my two cents worth, Hope all can BE WELL!!!

Cards arrived yesterday, I had to go to the post office and sign for
them as I missed the delivery on Friday.

Thanks a ton and watch for the thanks post to follow to the group. 
BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

 *    Mark S. Talbot            

 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    

 *    Sterling Heights, MI.     
48312-4604   *

 *    talbot1@comcast.net       

tply@aol.com wrote:

 OBC - After
the chat session tonight I realized that perhaps Terry's note was not read
by all. I should not have forwarded it like I did so, I will paste it below
and hopefully everyone will have a chance to know how our old friend "Txpoobah"
is, he had a rough year, heart attack, moving, couldn't get a internet
connection with his old email address, and lost his job.

I realize he hasn't paid his dues and
I will be happy to pay them for him and I would also like everyone to be
patient as he finds a new email address for the group, perhaps the one
he sent me "txpoobah47@sbcglobal.net" is the one that will work on the
servers etc.

Meanwhile, I think the OBCAC should
consider an exemption for Terry Woods before he is removed from the group.
Of all the people that deserves consideration, especially this time of
year, Terry should afterall, he is the one that started the card exchange
and ran it for years!

I respectfully request that the OBCAC
discuss exempting Terry Woods from being removed from this group.

His message follows:

Hello Rick

 

Its been way
too long. Hope you and yours have had a merry Christmas and hope for a
Happy New Year. The last year has been something else. We finally sold
the house and Susan joined me in Dallas last year in early December.  I
then spent four months trying to get a DSL connection and lost all my email
info along with the txpoobah address. I was not a happy camper.

 

Work provided
its challenges, a new president, system problems, some long days and finally
a layoff. I get to stay around till the 10th of January and then have a
three month severance package. Its going to be a challenge to find a new
position at age 55, but something will work out. Right now I'm trying to
find an accounting practice to buy. One deal looks promising

 

Something is
in store for me. It just for me to find out. If I had stayed at the job
back in East Texas the company there is being shut down within the next
few weeks. Plus I doubt whether I would have found out about my heart condition
before I actually had an attack. God does work in mysterious ways.

 

I wish you would
pass on my thanks to some people who have sent packages in the last few
months .

 

Mike Rich

Bob Donaldson

Steve Rittenberg

Kent Goto

Doug Smith

Jeff Sinclair

Andy Cook

Jeff Sackman

Lynn Miiller

 

The power of
cardboard is remarkable. Your mail showed up on some dark days and really gave
me a lift. My thanks to all of you and maybe I might have a little more
time than I ever thought to get back and active with the group.

 

I still have
two boxes of sports books and the emails for those who wanted them. Just
have to find the boxes.... gee moving is fun.

 

Thought of the
whole group tonight. I imagine the notes on the exchange are floating around

 

Tell Margaret
hi for me and take care

 

Terry

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 23:35:21 -0800
Subject: Tom Housley - Link to Want List
From: Peter Iversen 

Hey all - the link I sent with Tom's note does not work - Lynn Miller
send me this correction...

>>Hi Peter,
>>  His link isn't quite right, here's the correct one:
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/directorth/myhomepage/

Also - Since Lynn and a couple of others asked - here is Tom's snail mail

Name: Tom Housley
Street Address: 6824 Evergreen Circle
City: Huber Heights
State: Ohio
Zip Code: 45424
Country: USA
Work Phone: (937) 259-2185
Home Phone: (937) 237-0924
EMail Address: directorth@aol.com
Web Page Address: http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/directorth/myhomepage/
Date of Birth: 02/04/62

Happy New Year OBC!!

=================

Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 04:30:24 -0500
Subject: John Hathcock ???
From: Mark S Talbot 

Hello All,

I need your assistance.  I am cleaning up the
Yahoo mail server a bit and removing obsolete email
addresses that have been bouncing emails for months
now.  One such email address is that of John
Hathcock of Statesboro, GA.  Has anyone heard for
John in some time?  Does he have a new email
address?  I would like to get him "connected" with
the group if possible.  Does anyone have any
information on John?  Old address is
"soli@frontiernet.net" which is bouncing because the
box is too full.  Thanks for your help.

By the way I have deleted the following email
addresses from our Yahoo server because they are
apparently obsolete, if there needs to be any follow
up then please LMK.

The following members are also having some email
bouncing problems and I would like them to contact
me - if possible:

Jeff Sackman
Roger Raum
Sean McGowan

Thanks for your assistance out there and get in
touch with me if you are having email problems with
the server.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock

*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *

=================

To: tply@aol.com, "Mark S Talbot" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 05:25:44 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

Dues were never meant to exclude anyone.  We used to do a poll twice a year
and failure to answer "yes, I'm still here" resulted in removal from OBC.
The purpose of this was to remove people who had joined, lost interest, and
were just taking up space that others could use.  We had a membership cap
at the time, so we didn't want folks on the list who had quit the club but
not told anyone.  A couple of years ago, when the need for cash arose, we
substituted the call for dues as this membership poll.  It was in no way
meant to exclude anybody based on ability to pay, it was really just a
membership poll combined with a call for contributions.  In fact it clearly
states if you can't pay, don't worry about it.  I don't think Terry has
anything to worry about since we know he is still around and part of the
group - the OBCAC knows and understands this.  The same goes for guys like
John Ball who was on the list of guys who hadn't responded yet.  John has
been ill and probably been unable to even read much of his email to know
the dues call went out.  Again, the OBCAC is smart enough to realize that
John is still very much a part of our family.  If John didn't answer the
poll, I would fly to Bartow, sign in on his computer, and answer it for
him!  On the other hand, there are some folks on the list who have most
likely moved on after finding OBC was not for them - those folks will be
removed.  If they want to return, they can just ask.

I am speaking for myself on this, but as a member of the OBCAC, I'm sure
the other guys are in pretty close agreement to what I have stated.

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark S Talbot
To: tply@aol.com
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 12/29/2002 11:09:19 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods

Hello All,
Rick got out of the chat room far too early for me to echo his
sentiments personally.  I was in the middle of typing out my thoughts in
the chat when Rick left abruptly, so let me share with you now.

It was only recently that the need for dues from our members has taken
place.  Of course it was necessary to defray cost that I understand were
generally taken on by one or two of the members in the past, Jim
Montgomery's name comes to mind here.  These were not rookies like myself
but fellas like Terry, Rick and Jim who have been long standing members and
are keys to the history of the group.  There are plenty of us to pay dues
who can afford to do so and Doug does a great job reminding us
procrastinators about it.  Certainly we do not need to burden those who
cannot or may be to proud to ask.  Especially long term members like Terry.
It would be a shame to kick him or anybody out because they couldn't come
up with a ten spot for dues or were having email problems as was discussed
in the chat tonight.
Rick has always impressed me with his bold stands when he sees an
injustice and I for one stand behind him.  Terry and some other members
deserve to be OBC'er for life.  I also request that the OBCAC review the
policy of expulsion from the group due to lack of paying dues and allow
long standing members such as Terry a little leeway.  Just my two cents
worth, Hope all can BE WELL!!!

Cards arrived yesterday, I had to go to the post office and sign for them
as I missed the delivery on Friday.
Thanks a ton and watch for the thanks post to follow to the group.  BE
REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
"Live long and prosper" - Spock
*    Mark S. Talbot             *
*    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
*    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
*                  48312-4604   *
*    talbot1@comcast.net        *
tply@aol.com wrote:
OBC - After the chat session tonight I realized that perhaps Terry's note
was not read by all. I should not have forwarded it like I did so, I will
paste it below and hopefully everyone will have a chance to know how our
old friend "Txpoobah" is, he had a rough year, heart attack, moving,
couldn't get a internet connection with his old email address, and lost his
I realize he hasn't paid his dues and I will be happy to pay them for him
and I would also like everyone to be patient as he finds a new email
address for the group, perhaps the one he sent me
"txpoobah47@sbcglobal.net" is the one that will work on the servers etc.
Meanwhile, I think the OBCAC should consider an exemption for Terry Woods
before he is removed from the group. Of all the people that deserves
consideration, especially this time of year, Terry should afterall, he is
the one that started the card exchange and ran it for years!
I respectfully request that the OBCAC discuss exempting Terry Woods from
being removed from this group.
His message follows:
Hello Rick

Its been way too long. Hope you and yours have had a merry Christmas and
hope for a Happy New Year. The last year has been something else. We
finally sold the house and Susan joined me in Dallas last year in early
December.  I then spent four months trying to get a DSL connection and lost
all my email info along with the txpoobah address. I was not a happy

Work provided its challenges, a new president, system problems, some long
days and finally a layoff. I get to stay around till the 10th of January
and then have a three month severance package. Its going to be a challenge
to find a new position at age 55, but something will work out. Right now
I'm trying to find an accounting practice to buy. One deal looks promising

Something is in store for me. It just for me to find out. If I had stayed
at the job back in East Texas the company there is being shut down within
the next few weeks. Plus I doubt whether I would have found out about my
heart condition before I actually had an attack. God does work in
mysterious ways.

I wish you would pass on my thanks to some people who have sent packages in
the last few months .

Mike Rich
Bob Donaldson
Steve Rittenberg
Kent Goto
Doug Smith
Jeff Sinclair
Andy Cook
Jeff Sackman
Lynn Miiller

The power of cardboard is remarkable. Your mail showed up on some dark days
and really gave me a lift. My thanks to all of you and maybe I might have a
little more time than I ever thought to get back and active with the group.

I still have two boxes of sports books and the emails for those who wanted
them. Just have to find the boxes.... gee moving is fun.

Thought of the whole group tonight. I imagine the notes on the exchange are
floating around now.

Tell Margaret hi for me and take care

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:02:51 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
To: talbot1@comcast.net, TPLY@aol.com
From: Sweendoger@aol.com

Sounds like I missed a good chat session?  ;-)

I was under the clear impression that if somebody was unable to afford the
dues that they would be excluded from the requirement.  I also understood
that the dues is a "community" means of maintaining the groups costs and
determining a member's interest in continuing with OBC.

Pat Sweeney

In a message dated 12/29/2002 11:12:57 PM Pacific Standard Time,
talbot1@comcast.net writes:

> Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
>  Date: 12/29/2002 11:12:57 PM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: talbot1@comcast.net
>  To: tply@aol.com
>  CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent from the Internet
> Hello All,    Rick got out of the chat room far too early for me to echo
> his sentiments personally.  I was in the middle of typing out my thoughts
> in the chat when Rick left abruptly, so let me share with you now.
>    It was only recently that the need for dues from our members has taken
> place.  Of course it was necessary to defray cost that I understand were
> generally taken on by one or two of the members in the past, Jim
> Montgomery's name comes to mind here.  These were not rookies like myself
> but fellas like Terry, Rick and Jim who have been long standing members and
> are keys to the history of the group.  There are plenty of us to pay dues
> who can afford to do so and Doug does a great job reminding us
> procrastinators about it.  Certainly we do not need to burden those who
> cannot or may be to proud to ask.  Especially long term members like Terry.
>  It would be a shame to kick him or anybody out because they couldn't come
> up with a ten spot for dues or were having email problems as was discussed
> in the chat tonight.
>    Rick has always impressed me with his bold stands when he sees an
> injustice and I for one stand behind him.  Terry and some other members
> deserve to be OBC'er for life.  I also request that the OBCAC review the
> policy of expulsion from the group due to lack of paying dues and allow
> long standing members such as Terry a little leeway.  Just my two cents
> worth, Hope all can BE WELL!!!
> Cards arrived yesterday, I had to go to the post office and sign for them
> as I missed the delivery on Friday.
> Thanks a ton and watch for the thanks post to follow to the group.  BE
> WELL!!!
> REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
> "Live long and prosper" - Spock
>  *********************************
>  *    Mark S. Talbot             *
>  *    34030 Chatsworth Drive     *
>  *    Sterling Heights, MI.      *
>  *                  48312-4604   *
>  *    talbot1@comcast.net        *
>  *********************************
> *****************************************************
> tply@aol.com wrote:
> >>  OBC - After the chat session tonight I realized that perhaps Terry's
>> note was not read by all. I should not have forwarded it like I did so, I
>> will paste it below and hopefully everyone will have a chance to know how
>> our old friend "Txpoobah" is, he had a rough year, heart attack, moving,
>> couldn't get a internet connection with his old email address, and lost
>> his job.
>> I realize he hasn't paid his dues and I will be happy to pay them for him
>> and I would also like everyone to be patient as he finds a new email
>> address for the group, perhaps the one he sent me
>> "txpoobah47@sbcglobal.net" is the one that will work on the servers etc.
>> Meanwhile, I think the OBCAC should consider an exemption for Terry Woods
>> before he is removed from the group. Of all the people that deserves
>> consideration, especially this time of year, Terry should afterall, he is
>> the one that started the card exchange and ran it for years!
>> I respectfully request that the OBCAC discuss exempting Terry Woods from
>> being removed from this group.
>> His message follows:
>> Hello Rick
>> Its been way too long. Hope you and yours have had a merry Christmas and
>> hope for a Happy New Year. The last year has been something else. We
>> finally sold the house and Susan joined me in Dallas last year in early
>> December.  I then spent four months trying to get a DSL connection and
>> lost all my email info along with the txpoobah address. I was not a happy
>> camper.
>> Work provided its challenges, a new president, system problems, some long
>> days and finally a layoff. I get to stay around till the 10th of January
>> and then have a three month severance package. Its going to be a challenge
>> to find a new position at age 55, but something will work out. Right now
>> I'm trying to find an accounting practice to buy. One deal looks promising
>> Something is in store for me. It just for me to find out. If I had stayed
>> at the job back in East Texas the company there is being shut down within
>> the next few weeks. Plus I doubt whether I would have found out about my
>> heart condition before I actually had an attack. God does work in
>> mysterious ways.
>> I wish you would pass on my thanks to some people who have sent packages
>> in the last few months .
>> Mike Rich
>> Bob Donaldson
>> Steve Rittenberg
>> Kent Goto
>> Doug Smith
>> Jeff Sinclair
>> Andy Cook
>> Jeff Sackman
>> Lynn Miiller
>> The power of cardboard is remarkable. Your mail showed up on some dark
>> days and really gave me a lift. My thanks to all of you and maybe I might
>> have a little more time than I ever thought to get back and active with
>> the group.
>> I still have two boxes of sports books and the emails for those who wanted
>> them. Just have to find the boxes.... gee moving is fun.
>> Thought of the whole group tonight. I imagine the notes on the exchange
>> are floating around now.
>> Tell Margaret hi for me and take care
>> Terry
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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:57:52 EST
Subject: For the record
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

I would like to make an enthusiastic recommendation for anyone who needs
help with virus problems. You may recall that was an issue a couple of days
I found this guy on the Internet who runs an outfit called Virus Helpers.
Based in Montana, he can be easily reached by phone (877 847-8743) and, for a
reasonable cost of about $40. will talk you through all the moves necessary
to clean out your system.
The guy's name is Jesse Roberts. You may remember that yesterday I sent
out a plea for advice. I thought I was doomed by that virus that many of us
received from someone named McClain. Well, not only did he kill that virus
for me, but he found a couple of others hiding in there and killed them too.
Believe me, this guy was a real lifesaver. For any of you who don't consider
yourself a technical whiz, I would tuck this guy's number away somewhere.

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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For the record
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 15:39:47 -0700
From: "Todd Knowles" 

Who would have thought anyone from Montana would know anything about computers?
 I certainly don't :P

I would like to make an enthusiastic recommendation for anyone who needs
help with virus problems. You may recall that was an issue a couple of days
I found this guy on the Internet who runs an outfit called Virus Helpers.
Based in Montana, he can be easily reached by phone (877 847-8743) and,
for a reasonable cost of about $40. will talk you through all the moves necessary
to clean out your system.
The guy's name is Jesse Roberts. You may remember that yesterday I sent
out a plea for advice. I thought I was doomed by that virus that many ofus
received from someone named McClain. Well, not only did he kill that virus
for me, but he found a couple of others hiding in there and killed themtoo.
Believe me, this guy was a real lifesaver. For any of you who don't consider
yourself a technical whiz, I would tuck this guy's number away somewhere.

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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:48:16 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
To: TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

As far as I remember, I think there is a "hardship" clause in the rules for
OBC dues. I mean, someone of Terry's stature in the group (remember, he
started the OBC Christmas exchange), should have no problem being exempt,
especially under the circumstances.  We have raised some cash and cards, I
don't think we would have any trouble putting the 10 bucks together for Terry
if we really need it for maintenance.
Let's face it, there are some members who realistically will never be
"removed" from the group, unless they specifically ask for it. Terry is an
OBC hall of famer, so that makes him a life member in perpetuity (like those
$10 words?).  Yeah Trips, you also got my vote for OBC hall of fame
membership, so next time you think you need to leave OBC, I'll come out to
California with a gem mint Joe Morgan card and cut you with it !
As far as Steve goes, apology accepted. Steve has the OBC spirit and we all
know from fantasy baseball how he goes off half-cocked sometimes LOL (it did
make it interesting!).
OK boys, time to move on on this.  Man I wish the growing pains we had on the
first OBCAC were this easy to solve :)....

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To: "ramblings" 
Subject: 2003 OBC SuperBowl Pool!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 21:41:21 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" 

Ok Kids, lets do this for the 3rd time!  If you are new, or didn't
before, we have hit 7 different OBC'ers with about 1000 cards over the
last 2 pools.   Tons of fun and cardboard flies.  So, check out the results
from last year and the rules at http://home.attbi.com/~seankatie/pool.htm
Email me if you want in!

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 00:23:42 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A note from Terry Woods
To: ChicoD1@aol.com, TPLY@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Just to let everyone know...Terry Woods membership dues have, in fact, been
paid as of tonight...done, dead issue, Terry is an OBCer and a friend.

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 12:48:38 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 2003 Goals and Resolutions
From: "mikesportsfan " 

1.  Complete 1961 Nu Card Scoops (#438 DiMaggio)
2.  Do NOT procrastinate
3.  Complete 1951 Topps Red Backs (#38 Snider, plus variations)
4.  Post Thanks on a timely basis
5.  Complete 1960 Leaf BB (#81 83 125 Anderson)
6.  Lose 15 pounds
7.  Complete 1969 Nabisco Team Flakes (Aaron Oliva)
8.  Get & Keep the house clean
9.  Complete 1970 Milton Bradley (Clemente McCovey Rose)
10.  Learn to relax more
11.  Complete 1953 Bowman B & W (28 Wilhelm 51 Burdette 52 Branca)

The above are some of my resolutions and goals for 2003.  I do NOT
normally come up with an annual list, especially in regards to
collecting goals.  I have reviewed some of my lists this year and
have come up with targets for the year.  Unfortunately the collection
has gotten to such a level, I expect that obtaining 800 vintage cards
(not counting upgrade cards) in 2003, will be a challenge, unless I
am surprised with some decent size starter lot of some unknown set.
The "of" # is how many I still need.
2 of 12 1933/1934 Goudey BB
6 of 21 1936 Goudey B & W
12 of 36 1941 Playball
3 of 7 1943 MP & Co.
8 of 20 1949 MP & Co.
3 of 11 1962 Bell Brand
76 of 236 1948-1950 Bowman BB
22 of 162 1951-1953 Topps BB (including finishing 1951 Red Backs)
10 of 51 1950 Callahn's
8 of 25 1975; 1978; 1979 Hostess Panels
3 to complete 1960 Leaf BB
1 to complete 1961 Nu Card Scoops
144 of 344 OPC BB
3 of 7 1961 Post BB
3 of 15 1963 Post BB
4 of 11 Red Hearts
40 of 80 1952-1955 Red Man
27 prewar cards
65 oddball cards (Jell-o, Milton Bradley, Bazooka, Nu-Card Hi-Lites,
Milk Duds, Topps inserts, etc.)

7  of 47 Bowman FB (including finishing 1952 Bowman Sm. #131 Rapacz)
1 of 11 1949 Leaf FB
2 of 26 1935 National Chicle FB (usually goal is 1 a year, double
3 of 19 1962 Post FB (mainly shortprints)
3 of 29 1962 Post CFL
9 of 49 1963 Post CFL

51 of 451 Parkhurst Hockey (including finishing 1954-55 #65 Bower)
9 of 29 Topps Hockey
9 of 19 1968-69 OPC Hockey
60 of 120 1974-75 OPC Hockey
206 of 269 1976-77 OPC Hockey

If I get all of the above, I will be down to 1399 cards from the
above sets (does not count prewar and certain oddball sets).  Mainly
stars, shortprints and tough to hit cards.  Coke Caps, Armour &
Salada Coins, Slurpee Cups, RC Cola Cans, upgrades and variations
will be the other areas of focus.
Have a Happy Healthy and Productive year.
Mike Rich

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: 2002 - A Successful Year in Cards
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 13:09:56 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" 

As those of you who have had a look at my wantlist will know, a few years
back I started setting myself "targets" each year on the sets that I'm
working on. Finishing a set is, as we all know, fantastic but for those sets
that you know are going take a while, its good to set a goal for how well
you hope to progress things within a year. As 2002 draws to a close, a
review of my targets for the year tells me what a terrifically successful
time its been.

The past year has seen 4 sets completed - 1974, 1976, 1977, and the most
satisfying, 1970.

Of the 17 sets that I set targets for, only 3 fell short - 1961 (Target 70%,
achieved 69.3%), 1967 (85%, 83.5% - damn those high numbers!), and the 1971
Topps Coins (70%, 68%).

Among the big successes were the 1960 (birthyear) set which finished 17.5%
OVER its target of 50%, and the 1962s - a whopping 18.3% over its target of
45%(mainly due to a massive boost provided by St.Al in May). The 1968 set
also merits a mention. At the start of the year, I still needed 32 cards to
complete this set including Aaron, the Bench RC, a couple of Clemente's, and
some guy named Ryan. As of now, only 1 card (#490 Killebrew/Mantle/Mays)
stands between me and completion of what is probably my favorite set of
cards. Thanks to Ken Morganti for an August "dealer scum" purchase on that

As I set my targets for 2003, my main aims are to finish off 1968 and 1975,
and to try to prioritise my purchases around the 1960 and 1972 sets. There
seems to be more and more 1972 hi#s appearing on Ebay, so hopefully I can
whittle that one down to less than 50 cards. I'd also like to inflict some
damage on my 1967 set, but as we all know those hi#s can be murder!

Finally, I'd like to offer up a very special thank you. I love being a
member of OBC, and appreciate every piece of cardboard sent to me by
everyone, but I feel that I have to single out a certain Mr. Steve
Rittenberg for all the help he has given me over the past year. Steve acted
as my designated shopper at the National and seems to have taken this role
to heart by continuing in this capacity right up to this very day. He has
also acted as a delivery point for me whenever I purchase from ebay dealers
who won't ship overseas. We've swapped jokes and had digs at each other via
email, and even managed to chat briefly on the phone when I visited the
States a few months back. What Steve does for me in a card capacity is
great, but more important than that I consider him to be a great friend.
Thanks, Steve!

To all in OBC Land, I'd like to wish you good luck, good health, and all the
cards your heart desires during 2003 and beyond!

Cheers, my friends!

Glenn Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:19:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Philadelphia fans Ebay item
From: "mikesportsfan " 

I rarely will post a notice of something on Ebay, but for Rick S.,
Josh and other Philadelphia fans, I thought this was different enough
to warrant it.  A group of 6 Philadelphia BB match book covers.  May
not even be on the monster checklist.  Ebay item #1984861444.  I
thought about bidding for myself and decided not to.  Good Luck.
Mike Rich

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 01:45:26 +0800
To: Ramblings 
Subject: Happy New Year
From: Lynn Miller 

or as we say in the Philippines, "Manigong Bagong Taon"    As the first
official celebrant again, here's wishing all my fantastic OBC friends
and your families the very best in happiness and health for 2003.  And
may OBC continue to provide the super friendships and support that we
all enjoy and may it get even better.  Lynn

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 16:12:10 EST
Subject: seeking CFL card expert
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

My Dad's college roommate in the late 50s was Don Holloway. Don played
football for UCLA and then went on to play in the CFL for a number of years.
Anyone know if there are any cards of Don? I think he played for Calgary for
at least part of his career.

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To: ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] seeking CFL card expert
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:46:36 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Andy-he didn’t have a regular issue card. There is a possibility that he
might have had one in the “Missing Years” cards that came out in the early
‘90’s, but I’m not up to speed on those.

My Dad's college roommate in the late 50s was Don Holloway. Don played
football for UCLA and then went on to play in the CFL for a number of years.
Anyone know if there are any cards of Don? I think he played for Calgary for
at least part of his career.

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 18:02:41 -0500
Subject: In need of assistance--
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

I keep reading about cards being exchanged via the AIM sessions.  For some reason I am continously kicked out of my logged in AIM sessions due to an "illegal operation."  I think the longest login time has been about 2-3 minutes.

I would really like to join in the discussion and am wondering if anyone in OBC land has any thoughts about what my computer problems might be?

I am running Windows 95 (which should probably be updated) and use a cable modem.  Any help would be appreciated.

peter mead

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Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 19:43:05 EST
Subject: Happy New Year!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

OBC - Happy New Year!

I want to pick my next words carefully (something I don't normally do) here.
An old Southern saying applies to me often; "He shoots before his powder is
dry" meaning I often speak before I think! One of my New Year's resolutions
is to wait until my powder is dry before I shoot off an email or comment!

I hope for peace for this country and this group and my thoughts and prayers
are with everyone especially our military, law enforcement and other public
servants in this group.

I hope for better health to our members that have suffered with health
problems this year, I hope for prosperity and better time for our members
that have had a rough year finically.

I hope for the "Spirit of OBC" to continue like it has for over a decade and
hope to see many more "Random Acts of Kindness" as a result of the wonderful
people that makeup OBC!

Most of all I wish everyone in OBC a Happy New Year!

Tripleplay (Rick)

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Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 13:58:04 +0800
To: Malsman250@cs.com, Ramblings 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Denise....A special thanks
From: Lynn Miller 

Bill has brought up a subject that I've always been curious about, given
that I'm a 29 year Navy veteran as well and have two sons in the Navy
now.  I'm thinking there may be a need for MOO (Military/Municipal Order
of OBC).  How many veterans do we have in OBC or have sons/daughters in
the military?  I can think of the obvious right off the top of my head,
Geno, Matt, Brad, Rex, Bob Wells, John McLaughlin (forgive me if I left
someone off right away), and I know I've read about some military
service in some other bio's, pretty sure.  I'd also like to include
those that provide a great public service to our Nation's communities
and go in harm's way, like firefighters Rob and Dick Cummings, policemen
like Grant (but we all know that Pico did all the work) and whomever.
Paramedics, rescue workers, etc.   This can be broadened some   But send
me a note if you fall into this category or one that I haven't mentioned
and I'll come up with something.
Thanks, Lynn

Malsman250@cs.com wrote:

> I wonder how many of us in the OBC have children in the military these
> days. We have a few guys on active duty, at least one Reserve call-up.