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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 13:42:39 EST
Subject: Enlargement  e-mail Ads
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda-i noticed in my husband's e-mail some titles of the e-mails
like "BIGGER IS BETTER-- 1 to 3 inches Guaranteed"--- i asked him if these
ads pertained to restoration of trimmed or cut baseball cards- After all, i
would like to add an inch or so all around to some of my trimmed baseball
cards- My husband's responce was a big laugh and he said,  " Linda, you just
have to share this with the OBC group"-- still confused??? Linda

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Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:33:44 EST
Subject: What I did on my Autumn vacation
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

(This might make up for my recent silence... set aside some time for this one

Hi gang,
It's been a while since I've had a chance to sit down and type a note to
the server. In fact, I haven't had a day off since I got back from my
vacation. Details below for the reader with time to kill ;-)
Anyway, the trip started out on the wrong foot... actually, it almost
didn't start out at all after my car got stolen two days before I was
supposed to leave. To make matters worse, my wallet was in the car. I had to
cancel my credit cards and EZ pass. The next day, I got a duplicate license
and activated a credit card from the 'drawer of inactive accounts'. (I toss
most of the cards in there without activating them.) The morning of the trip,
I headed down to Enterprise only to find out that there wasn't unlimited
mileage outside of New England. Since my trip to Miami was at least 3000
miles, I would therefore have to pay for more than half the trip. I scrambled
back to the house and located a Hertz place just down the street and got a
2002 Taurus with just 6600 miles on it (I got a size upgrade and a AAA
discount - about the only good luck I've had with cars this month.) This made
the trip a lot easier on me, since the A/C and cruise control in my own car
don't work. I was thinking about renting a car for the trip, but the
unintentional loss of my car gave me no choice. Anyway, Friday afternoon, I
set off for my first stop - Ft. Washington.
I arrived at Joe Greco's house without too much hassle other than the fact
that I now had to wait at all the toll plazas on the way down without my EZ
pass. I skipped out on the Friday portion of the show and opted to celebrate
my birthday. Despite the use of an entire box of candles (36), I managed to
blow them all out in one shot.
The next day was the swap session that was detailed by other OBC'ers in
attendance, so I'll spare everyone another recount - especially since it now
seems so long ago, I've forgotten most of the details. The show itself was
pretty good. I picked up some good deals, including a 6% pile from Roger
Neufeldt that will eventually see it's way out of here if I ever get around
to it. <groan> I also started a new set - now before everyone starts
e-mailing me for a wantlist, I must warn you: although the set is kinda
recent by our standards, it's not too easy to locate any cards from it. I
originally purchased a small sample of the cards to give to a friend as
gifts, but located a nice sized tipton lot at Steve Brandenberg's table and
decided to start the set myself, since it was from the first year I started
collecting - 1977. However, the new set is 1977 Topps MEXICAN football. These
were issued in two card packs with a nasty looking stick of gum (I bought an
unopened box on eBay right after the show), so one card has a slight wax
stain and the other has the gum stuck to it - every card is a tipton right
outta the pack! Therefore, if anyone has some of these (or previously had no
idea what those weird looking football cards with all the Spanish on the back
were), I'd be interested in hearing from you. Now maybe those guys who have
been hounding me to start a new set will keep quiet <G>
Back to the journey south. After leaving PA, my next stop was Charlotte,
NC to visit my brother. There wasn't much to note during this part of the
trip other than the fact that the local card shop (Smitty's) closed it's
doors and there now isn't anything close to a good card shop in town. I have
to drive to Rock Hill, SC or hit one of the monthly shows just over the
border to look at old cardboard :-( Next up on the tour: Miami, Florida.
The drive to my hotel in nearby Ft. Lauderdale was long... 10 hours or so.
I must've listened to all the CD's I bought back in Pennsylvania twice over.
I checked into the hotel and caught up on some sleep. The next day (Sat.), I
met up with an online buddy who collects UV football and he drove me to a
show at a local mall. I now realize how good I have it where I am. I saw
every old card at the show (about 10 tables, max) in about ten minutes. I did
manage to pull a few cards out of the 5/$1 box that were barely worth the
price I paid (some early 70's semi-highs and highs), but I was waiting to
leave in about a half hour. Fortunately, my friend spent a whole wad of cash
and had to be dragged out of there before he spent more.
Sunday was the much anticipated highlight to my trip - the New England
Patriots vs. the Miami Dolphins football game at Pro Player stadium. I had
purchased the expensive club seats ($165 a pop) due to the fact that there
was air conditioning. What I didn't realize is that the air conditioning
wasn't AT the seats. There was a lounge in back with a refreshment stand and
bar that was nice and cool, but the seats themselves were out in the 90+
degree heat. Wearing my long pants wasn't a very good idea - I was dripping
wet in about five minutes. I spent most of the second quarter, half-time and
the entire fourth quarter in the lounge watching the game on television near
the refreshment stand. The Pats level of play didn't make things any easier
to bear when I was outside watching. It seemed every time I'd go outside,
they'd fumble or throw an interception, so I figured it was much better if I
stayed inside anyway. It wasn't worth the 1500 mile drive to see them lose,
but the game was a fun experience otherwise. I also got to meet up with my
friends from my home town, who I share my season tickets with. They flew down
for a bachelor party and to also take in the game, so I was glad I was able
to recognize a few faces down there.
On the way back home, I stopped in again at my brother's for a night or
two. I managed to meet up with an old collecting buddy of mine, who presented
me with three boxes of cards he didn't have any use for. There's a few
English cigar cards and some 60's/70's commons, but it was mostly a bunch of
new junk. My final stop on the trip was scheduled in the site of next year's
National Convention - Atlantic City, NJ.
I figured I could get in some practice for Vegas next May and also check
out the grounds for the Nats while I was at it. I checked into Harrah's and
was given a free upgrade to a suite. Now the last time I got an upgrade like
this was at Bally's, when they didn't have a room on a non-smoking floor for
me. I was given a suite with a Jacuzzi on a smoking floor. This time instead
of the hot tub, I got a room with two TV's, a living room, fridge, king size
bed, and all the comforts of home except a kitchen. Unfortunately, like the
last time, I should've stayed in the room. On the bright side, I think I lost
enough money to get a free room again when I head out to Vegas for the long
weekend next year. I did get some practice for Vegas by also going the three
days and two nights with hardly any sleep. I had to drive this time, so I
took a short nap before I had to check out at noon.
The drive home from the casino was made at the worst possible time. It was
the Friday before the Columbus Day weekend in a driving rainstorm. The
traffic in Connecticut was endless. My 6 hour drive was transformed into a 9
hour marathon on just a couple hours rest. I still had a couple days left of
vacation, which was spend updating my list, putting away the cards I got
along the road and attending the Pats' home game that Sunday - another awful
performance that I am sorry I paid to witness. Monday night was the first
night back at work - and where the adventure really begins.
Usually whenever I take a week's vacation, the store is a mess when I
return. However, any time I take two weeks off, the place is like walking
onto another planet. I secretly checked the place out earlier in the weekend
by stopping in for my paychecks (I was in need of some cash after my
performance in AC). The pet food aisle was a disaster area and should've been
closed due to the fact that there was nothing for sale in the aisle. Usually
this is because the person who normally orders the stuff to put on the
shelves (me) is away, so nothing gets ordered (or just barely enough to get
by). However, we recently switched over to a computer ordering system that
does it all automatically. As each item is scanned, it's taken off the
inventory and reordered when another case is needed to replenish the shelves
(that's the theory anyway). The beauty of the system is that it saves me
15-20 minutes of ordering my aisle every night. It also adds 30-45 minutes of
inventory maintenance to my day, so I get LESS onto the shelves where it will
sell... and this is better? Anyway, to make matters worse, the cat food
section underwent a major reset. This is when they take all the items out of
the spots you've become familiar with and move them around mostly for the
sake of moving them and confusing the customers, who can no longer find what
they buy every week in the accustomed locations. Whoever did this also added
the major inconvenience of omitting an entire section from the reset. You
see, every item in the store has a location programmed into the computer
which tells you how many cans are on the shelf, price, case quantity, etc. As
a result, I had an eight foot section that wasn't getting ordered because
none of the items had a shelf location in the computer. This wasted several
hours during the next couple weeks as I tried to figure out what went where,
what wasn't coming in, what should be coming in, etc... all the while trying
to catch up to the stock piling up in the back room. This was only half the
problem, however.
Recently, my store opened up a Dunkin' Donuts coffee shop inside the
store. The Thursday before I returned, security was in the building doing
some normal stuff and left the tapes running that night. They caught a couple
of my co-workers making coffee and not paying for it and still more smoking
cigarettes on the sales floor. In the end, the full time frozen food, dairy
and general merchandise clerks were all fired and two part time grocery
clerks were suspended/fired. So my last day off was sometime back in mid
October. The way things are going, I may challenge Ripken's streak before I
get another one. I still haven't gotten to the other storylines running along
at this time.
The first business day after I got back, I became a homeowner. However, my
address isn't changing because I'm not moving. I finally signed the paperwork
that officially put me $200,000 in debt to my parents. Coming at a time when
I'm also paying for rental cars, car repairs, car towing and such is a case
of bad timing, but at least I'm working plenty of hours to pay for it all.
:-) The only thing I have to hold off on for the moment is the pool table,
cable internet access and new computer I wanted... and I had to cut back on
the card buying temporarily. I'll probably break that rule at the Wilmington
show tomorrow, but I'll be forced to use restraint... and there's always
plastic <G>
Remember my car? Well, a week ago I got a letter in the mail saying it had
been recovered! The bad news is that I got a letter in the mail saying it had
been recovered. I had to get a release from the police department before I
could even look at it, never mind move it. In the meantime, I had been
borrowing my cousin's car (he's from NY) after I finally returned the rental
I used to go to Florida. Last weekend, I had another cousin (from NH) who got
tickets to game 6 of the World Series. He let me drive his car that weekend
until his return on Monday night. Monday night, I took the car to my bowling
league night. When I left the alleys, I discovered that car was gone too!!
This was less than three hours before his scheduled return from CA. I learned
from my fellow league members that while I had been away on vacation, the
owner of the lot across the street from the bowling alley had started towing
cars out of there after business hours. So, for the low price of $95, I got
my cousin's car back to him in time for him to drive home from the airport
that night. I thought this was a rip-off ($75 towing and $20 storage fees,
even though he had the car for less than two hours) until I finally got that
release for my car from the PD to the tow yard where it was located. That was
$80 for the tow and $20 every day it was there. Oh, and it was cash only at
both places - there goes the card budget for the Wilmington show this
weekend. :-(
Back to my car - or should I say what was left of my car. I guess it
wasn't as bad as it could've been though. The ignition was broken (I think
this may have been the case before it was stolen), the windshield was smashed
and the axle was broken. Anything of marginal value was gone, including my
wallet (however, some anonymous kind soul mailed my license to me). My warped
basketball and cheap softball bat were taken along with the bag of change I
kept in the car. The worst part of the damage was that someone had sprayed a
fire extinguisher or something all over the interior, covering EVERYTHING in
a fine white powder... what a mess! The good news is that my price guns for
work were still there (minus a few stickers added to the back of my seats)
and what should truly be a collector's item - the four OBC hats I had placed
in the back window. I added them there after I went to a local show in
September hoping to meet up with some OBC'ers. I didn't see anyone from the
group, so I put them in the back window and kept forgetting to get them out.
These now have a fine powder all over them. The one on top got the worst of
it, so I'm going to bag it up and send it to Grant, who requested that his
hat be sent in tipton condition. Right now I'm in the process of filling out
all the insurance paperwork and waiting to see if my car is totaled.
Originally I was going to get about $600 for repairs, but that was before I
knew the axle was broken. Now I have to hold off on all repairs until I get
another adjustor to look at it. Anyway, that's about all I have to report for
now. Sorry for the recent lack of activity, but if you've read this far
(congratulations!) at least you know some of the reasons why. I hope to be
back in the driver's seat (literally and figuratively) again real soon. TAYL,

Ken M

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Ken M.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 16:41:32 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

So....Ken.....anything new?

P.S. Mighta set a record with that one!

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 01:55:12 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Mystery Cards
From: "jimbo777777" <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>

Ok, well not entirely mystery.  I know quite a bit about them.
They're definitely Topps.  They're definitely from the mid to
late '60's.  I'd guess 1968.  They're black and white "photo" cards,
roughly 3-1/4 x 2-1/4.  There were 33 in the set.  I have #32
Marichal and #15, Tommy Davis.

Can anybody confirm for me what year these came out, and what
officially they were called?  I've decided to add these to my want

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mystery Cards
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 21:09:04 -0500
From: "Sean McGowan" <seanobc@attbi.com>

These were inserts (1 per pack) in 1969 topps 3rd series.  The checklist
(#214) has them
on the back.  Proablaby why there is not a player picture on the front of
the checklist.
they are called   "Deckle Edge"..   #11 and #22 have 2 players each....   22
is rusty staub
or joe foy.  11 is Hoyt Willhem and someone else... I don't have that one :(

----- Original Message -----
From: "jimbo777777" <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 8:55 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mystery Cards

> Ok, well not entirely mystery.  I know quite a bit about them.
> They're definitely Topps.  They're definitely from the mid to
> late '60's.  I'd guess 1968.  They're black and white "photo" cards,
> roughly 3-1/4 x 2-1/4.  There were 33 in the set.  I have #32
> Marichal and #15, Tommy Davis.
> Can anybody confirm for me what year these came out, and what
> officially they were called?  I've decided to add these to my want
> list.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 23:14:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mystery Cards
To: jimbo777777 <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>
From: Mark S Talbot <talbot1@comcast.net>

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
Hi Jimbo,
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; These are `69 Deckle Edge cards put out by Topps.&nbsp;
It is a fun affordable subset with Rose, Mays and Clemente being the "tough"
cards as well as the variation Joe Foy and Jim Wynn cards.&nbsp; I will
send you some (excluding #15 &amp; 32), BE WELL!!!!
<p>REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
<p>"Live long and prosper" - Spock
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark S. Talbot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 34030 Chatsworth Drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sterling Heights, MI.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
48312-4604&nbsp;&nbsp; *
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; talbot1@comcast.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<p>jimbo777777 wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<tt>Ok, well not entirely mystery.&nbsp; I
know quite a bit about them.</tt>
<br><tt>They're definitely Topps.&nbsp; They're definitely from the mid
<br><tt>late '60's.&nbsp; I'd guess 1968.&nbsp; They're black and white
"photo" cards,</tt>
<br><tt>roughly 3-1/4 x 2-1/4.&nbsp; There were 33 in the set.&nbsp; I
have #32</tt>
<br><tt>Marichal and #15, Tommy Davis.</tt>
<p><tt>Can anybody confirm for me what year these came out, and what</tt>
<br><tt>officially they were called?&nbsp; I've decided to add these to
my want</tt>
<p><tt>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:</tt>
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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 00:12:12 EST
Subject: We're Famous!
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

<A HREF="http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=138752">PSA Website</A>
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=138752

This message board post was submitted to the PSA site and I happened to run
into it while reading the boards.  Pretty neat.

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To: <cardclctor@aol.com>,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What I did on my Autumn vacation
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:43:36 -0000
From: "Glenn Codere" <glenn.codere@ntlworld.com>

Don't your fingers ever get sore?

-----Original Message-----
From: cardclctor@aol.com [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com]
Sent: 02 November 2002 00:34
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; jgreco@us.imshealth.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I did on my Autumn vacation

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 13:40:04 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1962 Post Baseball - Availables
From: "jimbo777777" <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>

On the waiver wire this morning, from the 1962 Post Baseball set:

197 194 185 172 162 135 133 120 118 115 96 94 88 79 76 62 59 56 52 27
21 17 14.

As usual, condition is all over the map.  Some very nice, some

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 09:52:17 EST
Subject: Burned again on eBay
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com

Hi! All,
I have been keeping track of eBay sellers who renege on items they put up for
sell to me.  I think we ought to post somewhere these culprits.   Any
Anyway here's a notice I will put out for the following eBay sellers.  Beware
of the following:
<A HREF="mailto:law@capital.net">law@capital.net</A>
<A HREF="mailto:theredrider@semo.net">theredrider@semo.net</A>
<A HREF="mailto:csd72595@aol.com?Subject=1956 Topps Phillies RICHIE ASHBURN #120 EX-MT (Item #1842854338)">csd72595@aol.com</A>
<A HREF="mailto:tollgrade28@aol.com">tollgrade28@aol.com</A>

As noted by eBay I have proceeded with the following and as far as I'm
concerned it's a waste of time.  Paper work, time consuming, and no results.

A. File a report with the <A HREF="http://www.fraud.org/">National Fraud Information Center</A>.
B. File a complaint with the <A HREF="http://www1.ifccfbi.gov/index.asp">Internet Fraud Complaint Center</A>.
C. Contact a law enforcement agency in your location or the seller's
D. File a report with the <A HREF="http://www.usps.gov/websites/depart/inspect/">U.S. Postal Inspection Service</A>.

Ok enough rambling, I resolve to start checking feedbacks on everything I bid
on eBay unless I've dealt with the eBay seller before.
TTYL, Kent

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:29:11 EST
Subject: Directory Anyone?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Because my computer shorted out, I need to use my dad's laptop to access the
internet.  Since I sign onto AOL as a guest, I can't access my filing
cabinet.  Does anyone have the most recent copy of the Directory so that I
can pull some addresses and then save it as a Word document?

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Dealer Scum
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 11:33:23 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

One of the shops that I get a lot of material from picked up the following group
of cards the other day.  APPROX.  45 1957's,  150 1958's (with approx
50 of them low #'s) 20 1959's,  40 1960's,  20 1961's, 70 1962's, 20 1963's,
200 1964's, and approx 30 cards 1965 to 1973.   The total number of cards
is 600, give or take  a few.   The average condition is a strong VG / VG+.
The 62's are the weakest of the bunch. There are no big names that I saw
in the box.  Most are commons, with some minor stars, and some listed cards.
 I saw very little duplication.
He will take $325 for the lot.  This will include shipping.  UPS will be used
for shipping.

If anyone is interested, let me know and if he still has the box, I'll grabit.

David K.

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 10:34:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Burned again on eBay
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jim Beauchemin <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>

I agree, most of these remedies are a waste of time.  The one time I got aggravated enough to pursue one (it was $150 transaction), PayPal offerred me about 60% of my money back in their recovery process.  I wasn't satisfied, so I filed a claim with my credit card company.  They got me 100%.  Ebay's claim process was total fluff, completely worthless.
kwg0@aol.com wrote:Hi! All,
I have been keeping track of eBay sellers who renege on items they put up for sell to me.  I think we ought to post somewhere these culprits.   Any thoughts?
Anyway here's a notice I will put out for the following eBay sellers.  Beware of the following:

As noted by eBay I have proceeded with the following and as far as I'm concerned it's a waste of time.  Paper work, time consuming, and no results.
A. File a report with the National Fraud Information Center.
B. File a complaint with the Internet Fraud Complaint Center.
C. Contact a law enforcement agency in your location or the seller's location.
D. File a report with the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.

Ok enough rambling, I resolve to start checking feedbacks on everything I bid on eBay unless I've dealt with the eBay seller before.
TTYL, Kent

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Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 14:47:42 EST
Subject: 1962 Post Color Variation Pics
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I posted some 1962 Post color variation pics today. The link is:

http://hometown.aol.com/amcook93/62post.html

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Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 18:44:51 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Directory Anyone?
To: toppsrun368@aol.com, talbotm@huronacademy.org
From: Mark S Talbot <talbot1@comcast.net>
Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
Hello All,
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In response to Brian's request I thought I needed
a word document of the Directory as well (For address references at work).&nbsp;
When I copied and pasted the email that Grant sends us it needed a great
deal of "clean-up" to make it and acceptable size (It was 73 pages long).&nbsp;
I got it down to about 34 pages - so if you want this then take it.&nbsp;
Hope you can use this Brian - It was a good idea for me as well.&nbsp;
BE WELL!!!
<p>REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
<p>"Live long and prosper" - Spock
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark S. Talbot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 34030 Chatsworth Drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sterling Heights, MI.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
48312-4604&nbsp;&nbsp; *
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; talbot1@comcast.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<p>toppsrun368@aol.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<tt>Because my computer shorted out, I need
to use my dad's laptop to access the</tt>
<br><tt>internet.&nbsp; Since I sign onto AOL as a guest, I can't access
my filing</tt>
<br><tt>cabinet.&nbsp; Does anyone have the most recent copy of the Directory
so that I</tt>
<br><tt>can pull some addresses and then save it as a Word document?</tt>
<p><tt>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:</tt>
<p><tt>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the <a href="http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/">Yahoo!
Terms of Service</a>.</tt></blockquote>

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Directory, etc.
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 16:47:12 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

Brian, Mark et al- I know I have been promising to get the Directory into a
user (and printer) friendly format...that is still my goal. Temporarily and
completely tied up with cabin building on Slavery Island....which is a nice
lead-in to:

Jenny has been up there for the last week. Things have progressed well, she
will be home this evening, all in one piece. My turn to head up
tomorrow...EMS personnel are already on standby, as is the helo. The
foundation is in, the joists are laid, and the floor is done. Now for the
framing, rafters, and roof, etc. Weather has been cooperating, it is simply
fabulous up here. An extra couple of months worth of summer at least. Cold
at night (around freezing). First order of business for me will be to pay a
visit to a chap who did NOT get the job helping us build. Seems he paid
Jenny a late night, drunken, aggressive, and very threatening visit a couple
of nights ago. I know we are all familiar with the expression "payback" but
I suspect the definition is about to be taken to a new level. I haven't been
this angry for as long as I can remember. You just don't do this sort of
thing to MY family. I'll be leaving my chunk at home, don't think I'll be
needing it. Tempting though.

Anyways, I'll be away for the next week or so...in the meantime, thanks to
Brian Dwyer, Jeff Sackmann, and Brian Lindholme for their help with my
buddy's '53 set, which is almost done. I'll be taking care of you guys (the
OTHER kind of payback) when I get back, if I'm not in jail.

=================

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 20:02:11 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Directory Anyone?
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Thanks to Peter Mead, Trader Doug, and Mark Talbot for all sending copies of
the October directory.  I got my copy down to 24 pages in Word.

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Shriner's Show Report
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:25:27 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <bdonaldson@callisma.com>

Had a great time at the Shirner's show today.

Met Steve Rittneburg and Jim Hatch before the show opened.  Both hit me with
some 60's football.  Steve threw in some 69-70 hockey including a Gordie
Howe, some 1930's premiums for my type collection and a very presentable
T206 Matthewson - WOW!!!

Later we met Robert Pigeon who hit my 67 list and Ken Morganti who hit my
72 list.  After walking around the show some, we stopped in the cafeteria to
take stock of the day's take.  I finished off the 74 Topps set and got down
to under 10 on the 56 Topps and 54 Bowman.  A special thanks to Jim Hatch
who led me to a dealer with some 39 Playballs for cheap.  Met the famous OBC
friendly dealer Kevin Savage and did some damage to the kellogs sets.

Next we met Brett Domue and he, Ken, Jim and myself went to the corner of
the cafeteria and did some flipping with our late 68-72 dups.  A few
interested bystanders came by and watched including one gent who seemed very
upset that we might be damaging the corners of some cards.  I did ok with
the flipping and ended up with 4 1970 Joe Rudi's.  If you need one just let
me know.

Saving the best for last - Rick Redpath was in attendance!  It was great to
talk to him about BB cards and life in general.  He looked and sounded

All in all a great day, even though ND lost.

=================

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:38:08 EST
Subject: lack of taste
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com

Sorry to hear about your rotten luck.  And to get ripped off by a thief with
no taste - taking the softball ball and leaving the OBC hats.

=================

Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 21:42:24 EST
Subject: 1963 Topps
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com

Help yourself to the following dups in decent shape, available for the
114, 117, 129, 140, 149, 156, 157, 160, 182

I also have some high-numbers in good shape and doubt that I am going to be
working on this set seriously anytime soon - so if you are getting close, you
could probably use them more than me and should send me your wantlist for

=================

Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 09:21:25 EST
Subject: GBSCC show report and thanks
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

This year I get to write the "early edition" because I won't be going back
for the third day of the show (due to the Pats vs. Bledsoe's Buffalo Bills).
Fret not, brothers and sisters...I still have plenty to write about!

Day one began with me driving the 30 minutes to Wilmington, Massachusetts on
Friday.  I arrived a bit late for me - about five minutes before the gate
opened.  After managing to steal a parking space right outside of the
entrance I made my way in.  This year is the first year of my membership in
the Greater Boston Sports Collectors Club, which allowed me to skip a very
long line and use the member's entrance.  Once inside, I start looking around
for familiar faces and managed to find one at the front of the line: Steve
Rittenberg!  Steve waves me on up and allows me to cut a few more dozen
people off.  Typical OBC moment: I greet Steve and wish him a happy birthday
and then he gives ME a pile of cards!  A whopping 58 hits to my 1974 football
list (including guys like Greene, Marshall and Mercury Morris) which Steve
apparently did a tag team assault with Dan Cipra!  Also in the box were six
1974 baseball hits (including a Winfield and a Schmidt), two 1970 high
numbers and two 1972 high numbers including a Carew!!  I'm not even in the
show yet and my day is already made!  Thanks guys!!

One of the problems I have when I go to shows is that I don't focus really
well on my wantlist.  I'll just wander around and look for anything old and
beat up.  I was determined to change that this time: one of my lists (1969)
is getting very small, so at the first table I went to I focused on some
1969's.  After buying some, I put into wander mode.  At least I focused on my
list for a few minutes.  Maybe next time I'll do it for a whole half an hour!
As I'm about to leave the table, I get a greeting from behind...from Bob
Farrell!  Yahoo, he made it!  After bumping into Bob at a few tables, I saw
that he was an expert on focusing on his wantlist, so I made sure I took
copious notes.

As the day went on, I did manage to find some bargains...and actually managed
to find some hits on my wantlists.  Of course I found some other olde tyme
junk that I didn't need too - but you can't go wrong finding 1920's strip
cards for .25 and .50 cents each...and a Tris Speaker for $3.  I had to cut
this day short due to a prior engagement and left around 4PM.  Steve, who was
staying at my place this year, stayed at the show for a while longer.  When I
came home, Steve was already there...and still giving me cards!  A 1972
Clemente, a 1975 Hostess Johnny Bench and a 1974 Fisk and a 1975 FB Roger
Staubach!!  Thanks again Steve!  After being hit by a ton of cardboard bricks
it was time for some rest!

Saturday: Steve and I get to the show just as it's opening.  I did the
driving and once again lucked into a spot right across the street - another
sign of a good day coming.  We get into the hall where Bob Donaldson is right
inside.  Bob greets me with a couple of 1974 baseball hits - a set which is
getting closer every day to extinction.  I go straight to the middle of the
show, where I again put it into wander mode.  First thing I do is bump into
Ken Morganti.  With his awful car situation recently, Ken vows not to spend
any money.  Could it be true?  Stay tuned...I'll let Ken finish his story :-)

Next, forces take me to a binder with some lousy looking T206's.  I notice a
Willie Keeler with an El Principe De Gales back and start the haggling
process.  Fortunately for me I don't think the dealer ever looked at the
back.  I ended up taking a couple of commons to get the total price down, but
I got the price where I wanted :-)  Then I notice a grouping of OBC hats in
the corner.  OK: there's Ken, Steve, Bob...AND RICK REDPATH!!!  After a shake
and a hug, I felt very emotional.  Rick looks great!  This, without a doubt,
was the highlight of my weekend.  Hell...this was something I won't ever
forget!  Rick is doing so well that later on, while Steve and I conspire to
find him the last two cards for his 1959 set, we ran into Rick and found out
that he already found them!  Kudos Mr. Redpath!

By this time it was getting late in the morning...and closer to our annual
Saturday noon lunch/swap session.  We find a table and shortly after, here
comes Brett Domue!  Glad to see Brett made the trip because we hadn't heard
from him in a while.  Soon after Brett arrived, in walks Bob Pigeon.
Wow...now they're coming out of the woodwork!  Then the cards start flying at
the table.  Mr. Pigeon hands me a 1954 Topps Bobby Young...nice card too!
Thanks Bob!

After things settle down at the table, Ken and I wander off with our boxes to
an open part of the Fez Room with about five feet of space and a wall...just
enough to start the First Annual OBC Wilmington Card Flipping contest!  Ken
and I set up two cards apiece against the wall - first one to knock down all
the leaners wins 'em all!  This is a fun game, but at first it seemed like
both Ken and I were setting up more cards than knocking them down!  Then, Ken
got help from Duke Sims and started winning.  I managed to win one big pile
toward the end and then Bob Donaldson comes over and joins in.  Bob was a bit
rusty, so I lent him some of the cards I had won.  What a ploy!!
Miraculously, Bob suddenly finds the touch and starts winning everything!  At
this point Brett comes over and announces that many of his cards are in
sleeves.  Sorry, not allowed: the improved aerodynamics would be an
advantage.  The four of us start playing the game where the first leaner
takes the pile.  Brett is scrambling between throws and games to get his
cards out of the penny sleeves!  Quite funny!  Overall, we must have flipped
for a good 30-45 minutes.  And yes...we got a lot of looks and
comments...some in horror.  One guys looks down at us and says "You're going
to damage those cards."  I look up at him and tell him that the cards were
damaged before we began ;-)  Sadly, a couple of kids asked us what we were
doing.  This is definitely a sign that card flipping is becoming a thing of
the past.  I suggest that we in OBC should do our part to keep flipping
alive.  When your at a show or another OBC get together, or even at home, I
think it's our duty to flip cards.  Let me say that this was a blast and look
forward to doing it again.

The afternoon session was kind of slow for me.  At around 3:30 we started to
round up who was left to see if dinner was on the agenda.  Ken, Brett, Bob P,
Steve and I were all felling some hunger pains.  On the way out, we made a
call to Sean McGowan to see if he wanted to join us (since he's about 10
minutes away).  He couldn't, but Ken and Steve needed some binders that Sean
had.  They would be left outside his house, as Sean wasn't going to be home.
I led the way to a Friday's fairly close to Sean place - a four vehicle
caravan of OBC'ers!  After dinner, I led the way to Route 93 where Brett and
Bob headed home.  Ken, Steve and I headed to Sean's place for Operation Black
Binder.  Sean left seemingly dozens of binders outside.  Ken and Steve got
theirs and we were on our way - Ken toward home and Steve and I toward my

In the evening, I got to look through Steve's boxes.  I made a dealer scum
deal/trade that netted me 10 T218's, a 1968 Pete Rose a 1969 Clemente and a
1969 Ryan!  I resisted temptation to start another set from the "box of crap"
that Steve got at the National.  I counted some non-sports cards for Steve
while he was sorting and got an education about many different issues.

Well, that's it.  I don't know if I've approached Master Rambler Ken with
this one, but I gave it the old college try, didn't I?  Thanks to everyone
who made this another fantastic weekend in Wilmington.  Now, I'll likely go
into show hibernation until March.  If you hear some yelling and screaming
coming from the East, it's just me having bargain box withdrawal!

Happy Collecting!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: ebay losers
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 15:27:44 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>

Please add to any list of ebay people that you don't want to do business with:
Rich DeStadio, Waterbury CT ebay name "cabanaman".

=================

Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 00:22:03 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Local show
From: "mikesportsfan" <mikesportsfan@aol.com>

Mark Talbot joined me at a local show at the Redford, (MI) VFW hall.
Small show, but a couple of dealers that have vintage material,
including OBC friendly dealer Mike Sandles.  Mike also sets up in the
Cincinnati & Kentucky areas, for those who live their, let him know
you are in OBC with us and get a slightly better discount, off his
already reasonable prices.
Mark hit my lists with a couple of items.  I was able to introoduce
Mark to another collecting buddy of mine, John Sterbenz (who actually
has stanards to his cards, so will not be joining OBC).  John did
finish my 1989 Topps Cap's Crunch set with Puckett, Dawson & McGwire.
I love those obscure issues.
Mark & I hit 1 dealer where I picked up a few items I had not seen
before and/or did not have any of.  Mark, actually passed on a 1959
Topps Clemente he needed in Tipton shape for $10.  Wanted to save his
money for Mike Sandles.  As has been previously reported Mike has his
cards seperated into 1500 count boxes by his prices.  Mark hit the
$.05 & $.10 boxes hard and found almost 200 cards.  Most of these
cards were OBC vintage, including some from the 50s at an average
price of $.07.  Mark did find a few hits to his lists in the $2 & $3
boxes for some high numbers (1959, 1960 & 1962).
Meanwhile, Sandles mentions he has a box for me to look at, that is
not on the table (he does this for regulars, even though he has
approx. 100 1500 count boxes on the tables, plus display cards).  I
open the box and in about 3 seconds, say how much for the box.  All I
noticed at the time, were these were all oversize cards, exhibits,
1971 Topps BB Supers, postacrds and Red Mans, some with tabs.  Mike,
was not prepared for this and said he would have to look at the box,
he had recently bought it and did not know what was in it.  Figures
somthing good if I want it.  He tells me he pulled 4 or 5 cards out
from when he handed it to me the first time, but $100 for the box (no
further discount).  He then tells me that when he looked at it, there
was a complete set of 1977? Hall of Fame cards, set of 32.  Except
for Robin Roberts, they are in real nice shape and the set books for
$100 by itself.  I got between 35-40 Red Man, about 10 with tabs,
some NY Yankee Stadium postcards of Koufax, Jackie Robinson & Lou
Gehrig, (no idea as to the year of issue) and a stack of 1971 Topps
Supers, including Mays Rose & Jackson, among many others.
In the 100 150 count boxes, I find some other stuff that adds up to
$50 wihch Mike lets me have for $25.  This included a 1962 Topps
promotional card of Casey Stengal.  I have never seen a promo card
that old.  Regular front, but the back avertised ordering cards from
Topps.   Great item.  Also, got a Hostess panel I needed, for those
that have been keeping up with my horror as to the panels being cut-
Next show is December 8, but Mike said he will be clearing out his
cards (translation) he will bring monster boxes with a lot of UV in
it, but some vintage and sell the whole box for a cheap price.  Do
not know if I will go for that show.  The challenge is in going
through his boxes to find the treasures.
Remember to send me your Canadian issue wantlists this week in
preparation for the Toronto show Nov. 15-17, that Ron Perry, Eek,
Carlos Alcazar adn I will be attending.
Mike Rich

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Shriner's Show
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2002 20:53:41 -0500
From: <rwp5217@cox.net>

A great day was had at the show. I arrived a little before noon so I headedstraight
to "the fez room" to try and find the guys. This year it was madesimple
due to the addition of the great looking hats. Thanks Steve & Lynn for
your work on getting the hats done. Ken handed me one and I fit right in
with the rest of the table. I met Rick & Brett for the first time. Bob Donaldson
handed me an envelope with a pair of hi # 72s and a half dozen 66s.Jim
Hatch grabs my list and pulls another 6 hits to my list. Brett  Domue asks
to take a look and the first card he hands me is 1958 #1 Ted Williams.I'm
totally blown away. My first card of Ted as a player. Not done yet he finds
everything from a 55 Bowman Hodges up to a 77 Ryan and a nice stack in
the middle. Steve Rittenberg returns from his wandering and is glad to see
me because he's tired of hauling a couple of beanie bears around for the last
year he picked up for my wife and daughter. He also hands me a puffy with
4 black beauties including Ryan & Brock a couple of cool grays including
a Munson RC and a Jim Rice card from 79. He also gave me a book of Tales from
the Red Sox dugout which I've already read halfway through. I pass around
my dupes box which is a little help to a few guys but not too much. TheNew
England contingent & Steve are some tough lists mainly due to the factthey're
all done with regular Topps and most of their wants are pre war. Most
of the guys went to flip cards. I've never flipped and decided to talk to
Steve while they were tossing cardboard. Everybody then went back out tothe
show to look around some more The show wasn't too busy that you couldn't
move around and I managed to find some good priced hits to my list. We then
went on a leadfooted ride up north to a TGI Fridays to grab dinner. I really
enjoyed the dinner conversation as we talked about cards and baseballand
then made fun of Brett for busting out his N.Y. Mets MasterCard. In the
middle of "Red Sox Nation" you're a brave man Brett. Jim lead Brett & I on
another 80 mph run to find Rt. 93 again and we headed south while the rest
of the guys went to Seans house.
It was a great time hanging with the OBC crew and I looked forward to the next
time again soon. Thanks for the cards and the fun times.

=================

Date: 04 Nov 2002 07:32:58 -0600
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Directory Anyone?
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
From: Roger Raum <rraum@apl-park.k12.ia.us>

could I get one forewarded?
Roger Raum

On Saturday, November 2, 2002 7:02 PM, toppsrun368@aol.com wrote:
>Thanks to Peter Mead, Trader Doug, and Mark Talbot for all sending copies of
>the October directory.  I got my copy down to 24 pages in Word.
>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 14:28:12 EST
Subject: Re: vintage baseball cards: mantle, mays...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Many of you recently got a message from Lori Fuhr about her dad's card
collection that she wanted to sell.   Don Roth of OCT went to see the cards
at my request.   Here is his report:

Brock: You should thank me for I just saved you some money. I just returned
from my card assignment inspection.

I arrived at 11 AM and met Lori at her Dad's apartment door. Lori is a 20
year old  college girl who collects baseball cards and is starting to believe
these cards are worth thousands of dollars. Her Dad, Bob, is a 54 year old
about to retire who believes his daughter will fetch a fortune for him
through these cards. They are all his cards from his childhood days from
1952-61. I started to wonder what brink wall he flipped these cards against
when playing those card flipping games back in his youth.

The cards were all organized for me to "inspect." As I looked at them I
commented that many of these cards are worn and in poor condition. "Those are
just the commons, take a look at these in plastic holders, the stars." I was
handed a 53 Mantle that I would rate as a very poor condition card but Lori,
searching through Beckett's, came up with a good condition. I asked what she
felt this card was worth. "Well the book says $2,500 Mint so I would say
maybe $1000." I suggested that she would be lucky to get $25 for this card
because of the condition. After looking at other cards I finally asked Lori
and her Dad what they thought these cards were all worth? "Somewhere between
$10,000 and $15,000," Lori stated as her Dad nodded in agreement. I indicated
that the commons were probably only worth 10-20 CENTS each, a dollar at the
MOST and the stars were worth maybe $10-$50 at the MOST. I stated I hope you
get that price for these cards for they will make my cards that much more
valuable but it wouldn't surprise me if you only got $500-$1000 for all of
them. I suggested that Lori do the following:
1. Take her best conditioned cards to a local card show and ask what the
dealers would pay for that card. Multiply that by 4 and maybe that's the
value of the card.
2. Post one or two of her better cards on Ebay and see what the collectors
will pay for the card. Put a reserve on it to prevent her from losing a good
card for peanuts.
3. Go to Ebay and see what other sellers are selling their "vintage" cards
for and what the bidding prices are for those cards.
4. Take her better cards to a card show and have them graded.

Her Dad seemed to be pissed as he thought he was going to hear big dollars
coming in from Atlanta or elsewhere. He actually said, "Well, it looks like
we wasted your time and ours and I'm sorry you had to drive in from
Lynbrook."  I changed the subject and starting asking about other cards
trying to point out to Lori that she should pull the stars from her commons
boxes. I explained that HOF players are sought after as well as RC. Lori has
done a lot of research and had two Beckett's book available. Her perception
of card value is way out of line. She read about the card grading etc and
stated, "Some of these cards are at least 3-4-5 graded cards from what I can
see." I took a look at a few of them and, trying to make her feel good, said
that some are pretty good but far from what a buyer would expect from a 4-5
graded card. Note that this grading is from Lori not a certified grader. She
was disappointed that I didn't flat out offer to give them $10,000 of my
friend Brock's well earned money.

The conversation slowly came to a close with Lori and her Dad not feeling
good about it all. Her Dad then said, "Well, we don't want to sell to a
dealer because they will only give us 1/3 to 1/4 of the book value. We were
hoping we could sell them to a buyer over the Internet. We believe they are
worth at least the book value." Again, I wished them luck and if they had any
questions that they felt I could help them with to feel free to email me and
I'll do my best to get them answers.
Brock, the MOST I would spend on these cards would be maybe, and just maybe,
$500-$1000. Personally, I wouldn't spend over $300. There are a lot of big
named stars from the 50's. Fair conditioned cards of Mays, Spahn, Musial, and
other HOF players. I'm even stretching it when I say FAIR condition. Most
corners rounded, worn badly either on front or back, off center cuts. From
what I saw in my 45 minute visit were maybe 5-6 cards of stars in what I
would classify as GOOD condition. She had a decent Mays, Musial and Spahn.
My recommendation, hold your wallet for a better deal. Joe Sweet would love
many of these cards! If I had these cards I would look for upgrades for my
That's the story and I hope I didn't disappoint you as I did Lori and Bob,
her Dad.
Do I receive travel expenses? LOL!
Don Roth

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:41:33 EST
Subject: Fwd: Your Sportscard Trading List
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

If anyone has any help for Corey, reply to him directly....

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 15:59:49 EST
Subject: Home sick availables
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Well, it doesn't happen very often, but the bug going around the office came
back and bit me a second time.  The advantage to this is that I am slowly
getting my wantlists back in shape..and that means some availables!  Have at
52B- 51,213
60T- 12,30,48,56,63,69(3)76,95,97,110,119,126,127,197,284,378
68T- 4,257,455,513,523,535,566(2)

I'm sure there will be more to follow....

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:09:30 GMT
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Question sent to "info@oldbaseball.com"
From: Peter <marcpeter@juno.com>

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FROM: Lamorama28@aol.com

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=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 18:58:07 -0500 (EST)
To: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: vintage baseball cards: mantle, mays...
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Thanks for the report. I can sleep better knowing that I, we, you, or us
did not miss out on the deal of the century!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 19:52:58 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 545
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: KEVINM38@aol.com

Hi all,

Just checking to see if the group is doing the Holiday exchange this year?

=================

Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 01:51:55 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: poor Grant
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

I hope you all are praying for Grant, not only is he on "killer"
Island, but he is looking for a bruising. I know he thinks he will be
giving but I know Grant. He may be one of Vancouver's Finest but,
well, That is not saying much. The Mounties are the ones who always
get their man. The Vancouver Police usually get a person of unknown
gender. And Grant is good sized for a beanpole. Lanky comes to mind,
and he is going without backup, mainly Pico. This other guy is a
craftsman, construction worker and outdoor type. I am not seeing good
things coming out of this. Grant said he left his "chunk" behind,
which some of you took to mean his gun. I am thinking it is his brain
he left behind. Good Luck, and I will keep an eye on the local news.
Big Al in Seattle

--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Grant Rainsley" <grains@d...> wrote:
> Brian, Mark et al- I know I have been promising to get the
Directory into a
> user (and printer) friendly format...that is still my goal.
Temporarily and
> completely tied up with cabin building on Slavery Island....which
is a nice
> lead-in to:
> Jenny has been up there for the last week. Things have progressed
well, she
> will be home this evening, all in one piece. My turn to head up
> tomorrow...EMS personnel are already on standby, as is the helo. The
> foundation is in, the joists are laid, and the floor is done. Now
for the
> framing, rafters, and roof, etc. Weather has been cooperating, it
is simply
> fabulous up here. An extra couple of months worth of summer at
least. Cold
> at night (around freezing). First order of business for me will be
to pay a
> visit to a chap who did NOT get the job helping us build. Seems he
> Jenny a late night, drunken, aggressive, and very threatening visit
a couple
> of nights ago. I know we are all familiar with the
expression "payback" but
> I suspect the definition is about to be taken to a new level. I
haven't been
> this angry for as long as I can remember. You just don't do this
sort of
> thing to MY family. I'll be leaving my chunk at home, don't think
I'll be
> needing it. Tempting though.
> Anyways, I'll be away for the next week or so...in the meantime,
thanks to
> Brian Dwyer, Jeff Sackmann, and Brian Lindholme for their help with
> buddy's '53 set, which is almost done. I'll be taking care of you
guys (the
> OTHER kind of payback) when I get back, if I'm not in jail.
> Grant

=================

Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 21:29:28 -0500 (EST)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net (alcattle)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poor Grant
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I'll lay even money that any injuries Grant sustains will be from
falling off the roof.

We keep what we give away!

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Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2002 14:09:37 EST
Subject: CDs For Rick Project almost complete & Amazon's "Sharing the love"... Anyone else want the same CDs??
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... between being out of town for yet another funeral, kids b'day
parties, and life in general, it's taken me a while to finally finish up our
project of sending The Glory of Their Times and the five CDs of baseball
music/prose (Diamond Cuts) to Rick.  It has been fantastic reading recent
accounts of his progress!   Thanks again to the dozen or so OBCers who came
through big-time and made this possible.

Now for the question:  As I was about to place the order with Amazon for the
"The Glory of Their Times" and the Diamond Cuts CDs, I encountered an option
on the 2nd to last screen asking me if I wanted to "Share the Love" with any
friends.  What this amounts to is that if I enter your e-mail address, you
will receive a 10% off coupon if you want to purchase the same items I order.
If anyone is interested in getting their own copy of this CD, let me know
and I'll go ahead and get a coupon forwarded to you.  Regular cost of the CD
is $27.97, so 10% is actually worthwhile.  They explicitely state that "No
additional Amazon.com or third-party promotional e-mail will be sent to these
addresses as a result of your entering them above."  I'll list the exact
titles, descriptions, and cost of all the CDs at the bottom of this note.
Please drop me a short note if you want me to add you to the "Share the Love"
list for the coupon.  I'll complete the order tomorrow morning, as I know
some of you receive this in digest form.

Take care,

FYI:  The exact titles, descriptions, and cost of the items I'll be ordering

The Glory of Their Times: The Story of the Early Days of Baseball Told by the
Men Who Played It
by Lawrence S. Ritter (Primary Contributor), Fred Snodgrass, Sam Crawford,
Hans Lobert, Rube Bressler, Chief Meyers, Davy Jones, Rube Marquard, Joe
Wood, Lefty O'Doul, Jimmy Austin, Goose Goslin, Bill Wambsganss

List Price: $39.95   Amazon Price:   $27.97 & This item ships for FREE with
Super Saver Shipping.
Product Details
*   Audio CD: ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.94 x 5.58 x 4.94
*   Publisher: HighBridge Company; ISBN: 1565112539; 4 Compact Discs edition
(April 1998)

Diamond Cuts: Play Ball ( Vol. I) -- Various Artists
Price:     $15.99
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours
Product Details
*   Audio CD (October 9, 2000)
*   Original Release Date: September 29, 1998
*   Number of Discs: 1
*   Label: Hungry for Music
*   ASIN: B00004YN8T
Track Listings
1. Jackie Robinson's Eulogy - Rev.Jesse Jackson
2. Did Ya See Jackie Robinson Hit That Ball? - Kallick, Kathy
3. I Was Right on Time - O'Neil, Buck
4. Play Ball! - Kirchen, Bill
5. Glory Days - Springsteen, Bruce
6. The Ball Game - Hood, Yvonne
7. The Star Spangled Banner - Sexton, Martin
8. The First Ball Game - Graverobbers
9. Centerfield - Jumpin' Jupiter
10. Baseball's Sad Lexicon - Costas, Bob
11. Baseball Theme - Winston, George
12. The Ballad of Eddie Klepp - Brodsky, Chuck
13. This Side of the White Line - Bern, Dan
14. My Favorite Spring - Paxton, Tom
15. Catfish - Dylan, Bob
16. You've Got to Hit the Right Lick - Big Bill Broonzy
17. Take Me Out to the Ball Game - Father & Daughter
18. Take Me Out to the Ball Game [Instrumental] - Bush, Sam
19. Baseball '94 - The Drovers Old Tim
20. The Secret Life According to Satchell Paige - Bossin, Bob
21. Oscar Charleston - Todd, Erik
22. The Saa of Dandy, the Devil, and Day - Ultramagnetic MC's
23. Joltin' Joe Dimaggio - SF Seals
24. The Ballad of Ty Cobb - Pleasant, Wally
25. Nolan Ryan (He's a Hero to Us All) - Walker, Jerry Jeff

Editorial Reviews -- Album Description
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." -Jackie
What is it about the sport of baseball that inspires people to pay homage to
the game through verse and music? After all, when is the last time you heard
a good tennis or golf song?
There are a lot of good baseball songs out there. So many, in fact, that it's
impossible to put them all in one single collection. This marks the beginning
of the Diamond Cuts collection of baseball songs and poems.
Diamond Cuts celebrates our national pastime, honors former Negro and Major
League player greats, provides lesser know contributing artists with national
exposure, attracts new fans to the game, and deepens existing fan's
appreciation for the game. This collection was inspired by a passion for
baseball, music, and helping others.
The proceeds of Diamond Cuts will provide funds for Hungry for Music. We hope
you have has much fun listening to Diamond Cuts as we did putting it together.

Diamond Cuts: Turning Two (Vol. II)
Various Artists
Price:     $15.99
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours
1. Baseball Boogie - Brown, Ruth
2. Knock It Out of the Park - Nighthawks
3. Baseball Blues - Bluebirds
4. Let's Play Some Ball! - Swingtips
5. Color Line - Jeffreys, Garland
6. Take Me Out to the Ball Game - Winston, George
7. Casey at the Bat - Costas, Bob
8. Whole New Ball Game - Brown, Fontaine
9. Doing His Job - McCutheon, John
10. Big Foot in the Door - Piephoff, Bruce
11. Shoeless Joe Jackson - Key, Steve
12. Lefty - Brodsky, Chuck
13. The Babe - Bern, Dan
14. Roberto Clemente - Roberts, David Thom
15. Take Me Out to the Ball Game - Musial, Stan
16. Casey at the Bat - Keillor, Garrison
17. Mickey Mantle Rookie Card - Monk, Chip
18. Catchers Drummers Anchormen - Eddie From Ohio
19. Night Game - Simon, Paul
20. Christmas Down in Cooperstown - Cooke, Dana

Diamond Cuts: Triple Play -- Various Artists
Price:     $15.99
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours -- Only 4 left in stock--order
soon (more on the way).
Product Details
*   Audio CD (July 20, 1999)
*   Original Release Date: March 28, 2000
*   Number of Discs: 1
*   Label: Hungry for Music
*   ASIN: B00000JRLU
Track Listings
1. Take Me Out to the Ball Game - Los Straitjackets
2. Yogi Berra - Grandsons
3. Sunny's Diner - Russell, Tom
4. Laughing River - Brown, Greg
5. Letters in the Dirt - Brodsky, Chuck
6. Charlie Brown and His All Stars - Winston, George
7. Steelin' Home - Hula Monsters
8. Nolan Ryan's Fastball - Honky Tonk Confiden
9. The Drovers Od Time Medicine Show Visit the Hof - Robinson, Brooks
10. The Drovers Old Time Medicine Show - Robinson, Brooks
11. Big Red Machine - Jones, Kevin
12. World Series '57 - McCutchen, John
13. Remember Me - Gaudet, Jim
14. Maris, Sosa, & McGwire - Johns, Evan
15. They Don't Got Baseball - Bern, Dan
16. SF Seals - Ellis, Dock
17. A World of Orioles Baseball - Siemer, Jason
18. Cravin' Dogs - Wilhelkm, Hoyt
19. Harmon Killebrew - Arundel, Jeff
20. Pitcher (A Poem by Robert Francis) - Wiles, Tim
21. Walter Johnson - Richman, Jonathan
22. Ballad of a Ballgame - Lavin, Christine

Diamond Cuts: Grand Slam (Vol. IV) -- Various Artists
Price:     $15.99
Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours
Product Details
*   Audio CD (December 5, 2000)
*   Original Release Date: December 5, 2000
*   Number of Discs: 1
*   Label: Hungry for Music
*   ASIN: B000055ZBG
Track Listings (sorry, no listing of artists on this one! ...JW)
1. Bill Veeck the Baseball Man
2. King of Swing
3. Earl Weaver
4. Three Strikes and You're Out
5. Bagged Me a Homer
6. The Cheap Seats
7. Take Me Out to the Ball Game
8. Matty
9. Daddy Was a Ballplayer
10. Hit da Long Ball
11. Casey at Bat
12. Gone to Heaven
13. One More Time
14. Baseball
15. Cross That Line
16. Big as Life
17. The Mind Is a Strange Thing
18. The Outfielder
19. Merkle
20. The Ballad of Denny McLain

Diamond Cuts: Bottom of the Fifth (Vol. V) - Various Artists
Price:     $15.99
Availability: Usually ships within 9 to 11 days
Product Details
*   Audio CD (June 1, 2002)
*   Original Release Date: June 1, 2002
*   Number of Discs: 1
*   Label: Hungry for Music
*   ASIN: B000069LAI

Track Listings
1. Terry Allen - Redleg Boy
2. Jumpin' Jupiter - Joe DiMaggio Done It Again
3. Kinky Friedman - Marilyn & Joe
4. Rhodes Tavern Troubadours - Here Come the Big Train
5. J. Michaels - Bottom of the Fifth
6. Sam Bush - The Wizard of Oz
7. . Hula Monsters - Take Me Out to the Ball Game
8. Dan Bern - If the Dodgers Had Stayed in Brooklyn
9. Chuck Brodsky - Bonehead Merkle
10. Tim Flannery - The Baseball Song
11. Kim & Reggie Harris - The Stars That Didn't Shine
12. George Winston - Baseball Blues
13. Dave Ross - Ichiro
14. Henry Sapoznik - Take Me Out to the Ball Game (yiddish version)
15. The Drovers Old Time Medicine Show - The All-American Game
16. The Original Brothers and Sisters of Love - Michigan and Trumbull
17. Terry Smith - Mickey's Gone
18. Gene Stamell - Billy We Hardly Knew Ya
19. Mikhail Horowitz - Cool Casey at the Bat
20. Tim Wilson - Ballad of John Rocker
Editorial Reviews
Album Description
"Bottom of the Fifth" is the fifth volume of the Diamond Cuts series of
baseball song collections. The collections are inspired by a passion for
baseball, music, and helping others. The proceeds from Diamond Cuts will
provide funding for Hungry for Music, a Washington, DC-based charity.

This is another musically diverse compilation featuring 20 songs about our
national pastime and includes songs about baseball personalities such as: Joe
DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Walter Johnson, Ozzie Smith, Ichiro, Bonehead
Merkle, John Rocker, Bill Buckner and more.

Songs with the following baseball themes are also included: Negro Leagues,
the remembrance of players who played for the love of the game, a songwriter
paying tribute to his major league dad, playing ball in the neighborhood, and
a washed up player who finds solace in the bottle.

About the Artist
A few of the many highlights on Diamond Cuts "Bottom of the Fifth" include
Sam Bush's swinging tribute to the Wizard of Oz - Ozzie Smith (which will
also be featured in the National Baseball Hall of Fame video tribute to the
newly elected Hall of Famer); a Yiddish version of "Take Me Out to the Ball
Game" from the award-winning documentary "The Life and Times of Hank
Greenberg"; a parody of Rossini's "The Barber of Seville," but instead of
Figaro it's ICHIRO; Tim Wilson's hilarious novelty song about the infamous
John Rocker; and Kinky Friedman's touching ballad "Marilyn and Joe.

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: feedback on Mike Wheat?
Date: 6 Nov 2002 09:53:08 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

I purchased a '33 Goudey Burleigh Grimes card for my type set
from Mike Wheat off of ebay last night.   I have never dealt
with Mike, but I believe I have heard several OBCers speak highly
of him from having dealt with him at shows, and if memory serves,
somebody sold him part of their collection at one point in time.

Just wonder if anybody has any feedback, good or bad about Mike
and his business to share.

I was surprised to see what an extensive inventory of pre-war
cards he has on ebay right now.   There is an especially large
lot of 19th century stuff, Old Judges, etc. And the one item
I drooled over for awhile, a nice T3 Turkey Red cabinet card
of Christy Mathewson.  They are not being sold at traditional
auction however, he only has a buy-it-now price on everything.

Thanks, any info. would be appreciated.

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 13:40:10 EST
Subject: Fwd: Interesting item on eBay web site item#732287535: 1962 Civil War News DI...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Okay...came across this the other day...I know Larry has a complete set (with
a wrapper even) but he might want the box too. Now, here is my concern...i
have seen English versions of the Civil War News cards (slightly smaller than
regular cards) but I have not seen or heard of an opc version. On the box
though, you can see that it leads me to belive that there is in fact an opc
version out there....just wondering...

-joshua (i know nothing about non-sports)

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 15:41:33 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] feedback on Mike Wheat?
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

I've dealt with Mike (most recent purchase this morning) for years and have
always had great transactions. I'm the one who once sold him part of my
collection on his kitchen table to get the last part of the down payment for
my house in 1995.

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] feedback on Mike Wheat?
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 16:09:35 -0600
From: "tim newcomb" <apspr@msn.com>

I've dealt with Mike extensively for the last 3 years.  He's very honest and
upright, if somewhat stiff in manner.  His prices are high, but he's pretty
reliable about condition.  For a while I felt his condition standards were
very strict, so he was giving great value for the price.  Lately they've
begun to slip a little, it seems.  But he's good about customer
satisfaction, and will take things back no questions asked if you're not

Hope this helps--

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>
To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] feedback on Mike Wheat?

> I purchased a '33 Goudey Burleigh Grimes card for my type set
> from Mike Wheat off of ebay last night.   I have never dealt
> with Mike, but I believe I have heard several OBCers speak highly
> of him from having dealt with him at shows, and if memory serves,
> somebody sold him part of their collection at one point in time.
> Just wonder if anybody has any feedback, good or bad about Mike
> and his business to share.
> I was surprised to see what an extensive inventory of pre-war
> cards he has on ebay right now.   There is an especially large
> lot of 19th century stuff, Old Judges, etc. And the one item
> I drooled over for awhile, a nice T3 Turkey Red cabinet card
> of Christy Mathewson.  They are not being sold at traditional
> auction however, he only has a buy-it-now price on everything.
> Thanks, any info. would be appreciated.
> John
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 21:22:53 EST
Subject: Not Again!!! (Yes, again)
To: jmoidl@pks.org, Hanes@pks.org, committee@pks.org,
From: WMDpks@aol.com

I may be offline for just a few days, as my IBM NetVista desktop computer is
showing signs of imminent death. It randomly reboots itself, or hangs up in
mid-critical application, or frequently displays the Windows "Blue Screen of
Death." At a minimum, a complete hard drive format and factory image refresh
will be needed. This is the second potential major disaster on my machine in
the past six months (the unit is 14 months old). So, I've ordered a Dell
desktop workstation and monitor for myself, and if this IBM unit is
salvageable I will give it to my son and daughter, then I'll replace the hard
drive in their current clone machine with a replacement unformatted drive and
try my luck at installing Linux. On a completely unrelated topic, I have no
idea why I don't get invited to parties anymore. :-)

While the five words any IBM employee hates to hear are "Dude, you're gettin'
a Dell!" I noticed something when looking for a replacement computer. For
equivalent-spec'd systems, the IBM employee discount price was about $115
more than the Dell retail price available to the public. Apparently, IBM is
still in business and making money, though I can't figure out how.
Originally, I bought the IBM because I thought the extra money I was paying
would show up in increased reliability. Your mileage may vary, but if you're
in the market for a decent laptop or desktop, avoid Big Blue - that's
straight from an employee of Big Blue.

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
Webmaster, <A HREF="http://www.oldbaseball.com">http://www.oldbaseball.com</A>, Old Baseball Cards
The 2002 Boston Red Sox: Six All-Stars, AL batting champ, AL doubles leader,
AL triples leader, two 20-game winners, AL strikeout leader, AL ERA leader
and runnerup - and they can't even make the playoffs.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Major League Tours of Japan
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 22:24:10 -0500
From: "ochiai" <ochiai@mindspring.com>

For those of you interested in Japanese baseball and the Major League tours
of Japan, please check out my new article on MLB.com
Here's a link
http://mlb.mlb.com/nasapp/mlb/mlb/news/mlb_news.jsp?ymd021106&content_id171408&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp
rob fitts

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Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 15:18:39 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Wilmington show report, thanks, and Ft. Wash in Dec
From: "obc_spike" <obc_spike@yahoo.com>

A little late in the game on this one, but I returned from a Halloween
in New York City just in time to connect with the yearly Wilmington,
MA card show at the Shriner's Auditorium and a couple of OBCers besides.

After church Sunday morning, I returned home to a phone message from
Steve Rittenberg wondering WHERE THE HELL I WAS, DAMNIT! (Heh, just
kidding, Steve!). I motored up to Wilmington with $2 in my pocket,
brimming with confidence that they'd have an ATM on-site. (I mean,
they had one last year, right? Didn't they?) When I arrived, I asked
the man at the window for the ATM location and he looked as if I just
asked for New Year's tickets to the Rolling Stones.

"No ATM on site, sorry."

So I called Steve and asked for three dollars to get in (what I would
do once I was in was anyone's guess, since I would then have NO
money). While I was waiting for Steve to come out, the guy from the
counter came out and gave me an admission pass stamped COMPLIMENTARY.
Right on the gravy train! To be fair, it WAS 1pm on the last day of
the show, so I'm sure they weren't brimming with new admissions.
Anyway, I got inside and Steve was excellent enough to cash a check
with Kevin Savage to supply me with a modicum of spending mon-ay. We
hit a few tables for some $1 50s cards, knocking several off my 54
Bowman list, which hadn't happened in a while. Picked up a couple more
hits, including a 1971 OPC Foster RC, and finally closed with several
quality 59Ts (including Mathews, a Banks multi-player card, and some
others) for 50 cents each. Steve almost made off with a 53 Ditka for
the same 50 cents, but his honesty got the better of him.

Steve had several cards for me at the show, along with some hits from
Bob Donaldson. Thanks guys!

Everyone was closing up after that, so we departed for Ken Morganti's
house under the agreement that football would be watched and cards
would be passed around. We watched the entire late game while thumbing
through tons of Ken's boxes and he let me dealer scum a 67 Red Sox
Team card from him for $15 and pull a bunch of UV football (expanding
my "failed Seahawks quarterbacks" collection) for nothing. Then Steve
and cruised back to my new place in Cambridge to look at more cards
and the late-late game. Steve traded me several 52T hits (yes!) for a
bunch of my 65Ts (for his own collection or others, I'm not sure) and
we tracked down a few more hits for other people to help pass the
time. I crashed at 12 or so and Steve took off in the morning to see a
college friend for breakfast.

Speaking of big shows, I'm eyeing the Ft. Washington show next month,
which Ken says he's not attending, but I figure at least a few New
England OBCers are contemplating. If it's just me, I may try to fly
down on a cheap Priceline ticket and hotel, but will consider the
drive if someone else wants to join me. Anyone else have that in mind?

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Interesting item on eBay web site item#1578922235: Rare Jim "Catfish" Hunter Baseball Card-NR
Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 07:56:25 PST
From: boreed@hotmail.com

I thought this seller was dumb for trying to sell a 50 cent card (at best) for $5 plus $6 for shipping.  I see now that there's somebody out there even dumber.  Fancymaker will end up paying $11.00 for this "rare" Catfish Hunter card.

Title of item:	Rare Jim "Catfish" Hunter Baseball Card-NR
Starts:	Nov-04-02 03:53:22 PST
Ends:	Nov-11-02 03:53:22 PST
Price:	Currently $5.00
To bid on the item, go to:	http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1578922235

Item Description:
A Rare Jim "Catfish" Hunter Baseball Card. I don't know the year, I don't see one printed on the card. It's called "Boyhood Photos of The Stars" and has a childhood photo of Catfish and a photo of him w/ his A's uniform (head shot). On the back it says #344-Young Jim Hunter. Also says "Jim got the nickname "Catfish" after he ran away from home as a youngster and returned w/ 2 catfish. Jim graduated Perquimans County High School in Hertford, North Carolina in 1964. He lettered in baseball, football, and track, hurling fice nohitters in high school competition, no hit game in 1963. Signed by the Kansas City A's in 1964, Jim missed that season while recovering from a hunting accident. He joined the A's in 1965 and has never played minor leaque ball". A great item!! In excellent condition. On the bottom of the card is printed T.C.G, PRTD in USA.Buyer to pay $6.00 shipping priority unless out of cont. US then actual shipping charges apply. Thanks for looking and good luck.
On Sep-30-02 at 12:49:44 PDT, seller added the following information:

Pay me securely with any major credit card through PayPal!

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Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 11:46:46 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting item on eBay web site item#1578922235: Rare J...
To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

In a message dated 11/7/2002 10:57:47 AM Eastern Standard Time,
boreed@hotmail.com writes:

> I thought this seller was dumb for trying to sell a 50 cent card (at best)
> for $5 plus $6 for shipping.  I see now that there's somebody out there
> even dumber.  Fancymaker will end up paying $11.00 for this "rare" Catfish
> Hunter card.
> Title of item:    Rare Jim "Catfish" Hunter Baseball Card-NR
> Seller:    rmichelle
> Starts:    Nov-04-02 03:53:22 PST
> Ends:    Nov-11-02 03:53:22 PST
> Price:    Currently $5.00
> To bid on the item, go to:    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&
> item=1578922235

This same seller is offering a 1976 Thurman Munson for the same generous
terms of $5 minimum bid and $6 shipping. Don't all bid at once.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Time to fess up
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:26:22 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

A couple of e-mails and a phone call or two, to me at work that have not found
me there bring the following.  (THIS IS ME TYPING THIS)  Big Al, and Joel
have both talked to me in the last 10 days.

At 5:20 am October 16th  I had a heart attack.  Peter Iversen probably summed
it up best, "one of the things that has been a secret of your success isthat
you have good timing."  I was in the emergency room at the hospital when
it happened.  Doctor made it pretty clear that if I had been anyplace else
I would be fertilizer today.  Ended up in surgery by 7:00 am. They implanted
two stents in the left side of the heart.  As soon as I have enough strength
built up they will take me back to surgery and do some work on the right
side of the heart.  This could be as early as next Wed. Doctor had stated
that it would probably be 6 weeks, so next Wed. would be pushing it.  Have
a mini stress test tomorrow that will determine if I'm ready for round2.
Spent 4 days in the hospital, a few days laying around here before total
boredom set in.

All in all,  I'm doing really well,  spirits are very good.  Every day thatI
get up and don't see my name in the paper is a good day.<G>   Have a Great
Doctor.(Denise working 9 years at the hospital helps)  she new exactly who
to ask for.   Plus Joel has a damm good one if I feel I need a second opinion.

Work has been real good about the whole thing, "come back when your ready",and
we will mail you  your full check every two weeks.  I have dropped in for
an hour or two a couple of times.  Try to stay on top of (some) things by
e-mail or phone.

For those of you that need to know.  "smoking"  as some of you know I did my
share (and a few other persons) of smoking.  Doctor would not give me thepatch.
He had concerns about the effects on the heart. He said "get a hobby".
So I did,  started sorting the cards in the basement.   Got around 600
football dupes from 1950's 1960's and early 70's. Added a bunch of sets to
the wantlist.  If you have a football list get it updated and drop me a line
and I'll try and hit it.   The cigs.  Last one I had was October 16 at5:00
am in the hospital parking lot.

The first thoughts that probably come to most minds after reading the above,
is sorry to hear about your problems.   To Steal part of a line that MikeHair
used in a conversation with me a few days ago.  It's not me you need to
be sorry for.  Feel sorry for Rick Ellison,  I will make it to Vegas 03.John
McBride, Mikes friend who played golf with us every year, was all butwritten
off as DEAD at the end of May from a heart attack and played Golf Last
Sat.     Rick is going to get butt whipped this year again, (which is normal)
only this time a dead man and one who should be are going to be a part
of the beating.

Back to the regular scheduled program.   Time to take a fist full of pills (cuts
down on buying food)  and back to sorting cards.

Get them football lists updated

David K

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 00:01:21 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Time to fess up
To: dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Date:   11/7/2002 11:27:21 PM Eastern Standard Time
From:   dkolenda@surfnetinc.com (David Kolenda)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2002 22:26:22 -0600
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Time to fess up
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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 08:32:39 EST
Subject: directory
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: amcook93@aol.com

Can someone please forward the latest directory?

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Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 19:58:53 EST
Subject:  Weekend Availables
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i have some availables including a 1950 bowman of a
Brooklyn Dodger player i am not familiar and would appreciate any information
on him from a trader who knows about him-
1950 Bowman # 166- Joe Hatten- Brooklyn Dodgers- anyone have
some information on this player??
1951 topps red back # 45- Andy Seminick
1933 Goudey # 162- Leo Mangum- G-Vg- no back damage- nice image of
player on front- no creases or scuffs on player
1953 topps # 115- George Spencer-O/C top to bottom
1954 Bowman # 26- Billy Cox- another Brooklyn Dodger- nice to
give those away 1955 Bowman # 127- Majeski
1955 topps # 45- Hank Sauer
1953 Boston/Milwaukee Braves- Eddie Mathews- card has "Sample"
stamped across center of card-on the back of card it says " Wholesale Price
Information-1953 Boston/Milwaukee Braves"- i don't know what this card is -
haven't seen another one like it

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 20:41:27 -0500
To: chcaco@yahoogroups.com,vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
Subject: 5 new sets added to the "virtual card collection"!
From: Dan Austin <dan@iamdanaustin.com>

Its been a month since the last posting (52 Topps), but it's been worth the
wait (I hope).  Today I've added 5 new sets to the site:

1910 E93 Standard Caramel
1911 E94 Close Candy
1911-14 D304 Brunner's Bread
1953 Johnston's Cookies
1953 Topps

I'm in the process of uploading the files as I type this, so if they don't
show up initially, just check back later in the evening when they've had
time to upload.  Enjoy!

See the Virtual Card Collection at http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/

- Dan

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

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Date: Fri, 08 Nov 2002 22:15:16 -0500
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
Subject: "Cards for Kids" 2002!
From: Dan Austin <dan@iamdanaustin.com>

For the past few years, members from many of the web's top-notch sportscard
trading groups (like VCT, OCT, OBC, Trading Bases, CCC, etc.) have gotten
together and given up some of their sportscards in order to make a donation
to St. Louis Children's Hospital. Our intent has been to lift the spirits
of some kids who probably didn't want to be there, while at the same time
providing them with some goodies in the hopes of spreading the joy of
trading cards. It was all a very simple effort but one that we hoped would
add a few smiles to some young faces and provide the children with a little
something they may not otherwise have had.

The project has been a huge success with great participation across many
card groups, and we have collected 10's of thousands of cards during this
time along with card supplies, various toys, ball caps, ball gloves, etc.
As it so happens, the pediatrician who hands out the cards is a
baseball card fan as well and has generously agreed to head up the effort
again this year.

From Dr. Mark Manary: "I am a pediatrician in the St. Louis Children's
Hospital emergency room. Last Christmas we had something special to give
our young visitors on the days around Christmas. There were some donated
baseball cards from a trading card group, I was told. Neatly boxed, we
offered them to boys and girls of school age. The response was magnificent.
Squeals of delight as they recognized current and recent Cardinals (St.
Louis is a baseball town). Whether the trip to the ER was for something
simple like stitches or something serious like a systemic
infection, the cards did bring joy to these young hearts. For our very
young visitors another group donated stuffed animals, so it was nice to
have the cards to offer the older kids. It was a great way to bring a some
cheer at Christmas time, a superb service project. I would be eager to see
baseball card collectors do it again. Members could send me their donated
cards and I would package them in envelopes and distribute them at
Christmas at the hospital to our young

This is a great opportunity to spread some good cheer and to clear out some
extra cards at the same time. Got a ton of dupes you don't know what to do
with? Send em! New cards? Old Cards? Football? Basketball? Baseball?
Hockey? NASCAR? Send em! Whatever you have to send would be great. Since
this will be targeted at kids in the St. Louis area, Cardinals/Rams cards,
or cards of Cards stars from the past or present would probably be
especially prized. A Mark McGwire, Scott Rolen or Albert Pujols card here
and there would probably make some kid's week. But, whether you are simply
clearing out some dupes or unwanted cards, or selecting a few "treasures"
from your collection, please know that any effort on your part will be
greatly appreciated by these children.

In the past, various trading card organizations have spearheaded this
effort, but I believe it has grown well beyond any single group. Its a
powerful effort of good will that we all can participate in. Dr. Manary
again has graciously offered to be the point of contact for the donations
this year. You can send donations of all shapes and sizes to him at the
following address:

"Cards for Kids"
c/o Dr. Mark Manary
7435 Flora Avenue
St. Louis. MO 63143

Mark notes that "It would be great to receive tons of cards (of all
kinds)", so fire away! Pass the word to all your collecting buddies!  Feel
free to distribute this to anyone you think might be interested.  Thanks
for your support!

Thanks for reading to the end, and may God bless you and yours during this
upcoming holiday season.

- Dan Austin

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Availables: 1980 Topps
Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 22:19:52 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

Anyone want to start 1980 Topps (or build a second or third set)?   I know about
4 OBCers working on this set:  (Crotte, Parker, Coker, me) & I am sending
out the  last card for Crotte.

=================

Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 14:25:10 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Holiday Exchange
From: "kevin71058" <KEVINM38@aol.com>

Hi all,

I would like to get into the Holiday Exchange..who is in charge of it?

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Date: Sat, 09 Nov 2002 21:05:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Toronto show Nov. 15-17
From: "mikesportsfan" <mikesportsfan@aol.com>

Last call to send me wl's for the Toronto show of Hockey and Canadian
issues.  MUST have E-amiled by Wednesday Nov. 13.  Ron Perry, Eek,
Carlos and I need things to look for.
Mike Rich

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Savary Island Saga, Part 412 (approximately)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2002 17:01:14 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

If you think you have heard enough about this Hell-Hole, just hit delete

Just caught up on the emails, and have to thank Saint Al for the really
strong vote of confidence in me regarding my dealings with a contractor on
island. Al, baby, I'm still here, but thanks for thinking of me.

Here we go....what would a trip to Paradise be without a little disaster
along the way. I left on a beautiful, clear, but cold day...bright
skies...good start. I gazed upward, looking for that proverbial black
cloud...none to be seen. As I prepared to board the second ferry which would
bring me within 30 miles of beautiful downtown Powell River (atlas handy?),
the old Bronco barely sputtered into life, and I only barely managed to
crawl on board. Oh well, the old girl can rest for an hour, and she'll wake
up just fine, she wouldn't abandon me out here, would she? (At this point, I
looked skyward again, but it was dark..black cloud may have moved in, but
couldn't tell.) Got to the terminal, turned the key, and turned the key, and
turned the key...well, you get the idea. Got pushed off the ferry by a
service truck. Of course we are out of cell phone coverage, so I had to just
about sell my soul to use the phone at the ferry terminal. Being a Sunday at
7:00 pm, everything is about closed up. Find a mechanic open for business at
noon any weekend day and you are doing okay. Eventually get a tow
outfit...no sir, you are not covered for a tow, as the registration is in
your wife's name. A 30 mile tow and I'm not covered?????? Hold on says I,
she's here with me but it's so stinking cold I've arranged for a friend to
take her to town, and I will wait with the truck. Oh, okay they said, and
sent a wrecker. I was able to catch up with my ex brother-in-law, and
luckily we are still on very good terms. Even luckier that he has a pickup
truck, because I had everything from sliding glass doors to cupboards in the
Bronco. He picked me up, we escorted the truck to HIS mechanic's place, and
transferred all the gear. He then dropped me in Powell River at my
sister-in-law's (his ex) where I stayed the night and got in my share of
complaining. And I'm still not on Savary yet.

Monday--Hooked up with the builder (not the one who gave Jen the hard time),
as he had come to town the day before to get drunk. Bought him breakfast and
he began to look almost human, and he got us to Lund, a small fishing
village at the end of the world, where we caught the water taxi to Slavery
Island. Very cool thing happened there, got to watch an octopus play under
the wharf for about 10 minutes. Never seen one before that wasn't in a tank
or a stew pot. Things are looking better. Got to the island, mill is on
site, and there is a ton of the most beautiful looking lumber I have ever
seen. Better than we can buy, because we export all our good stuff to the
U.S. and Japan....the crap stays here. Immediately thanked my neighbour for
his help in intervening on Jen's behalf last week. Really interesting,
because he works for the goof who gave her the problem. Got invited to stay
for dinner with them...things are still looking up.

Tuesday--after numerous wanna-be intimidating drive-bys (not the shooting
type), the builder in question decides to be brave enough to stop and come
into the worksite. I was very calm, very fair, and very firm, and asked him
politely to NEVER do that to anyone in my family again, except for me. End
result is that he may have a broken pinky on his left hand, at the very
least a bad sprain. Never even came close to killing him, and I admit a few
days ago I could have. Talked to my brother-in-law, who had good news and
bad news about the truck. The mechanic came out Monday morning, turned the
key, and it fired up fine. He moved it into the shop, and hadn't been able
to start it since.

Fast forward to the rest of the week--the walls are up, doofus hasn't been
back, I didn't bleed too much, and we have enough nice lumber to go into the
business. My back is killing me though. By Thursday, I had the truck
report...mechanic had to replace a sensor switch, apparently the engine
didn't know if it was starting hot or cold. What a stupid engine. Anyways,
there went $250 that I hadn't planned on unloading this trip. But at least
it was running again, and it did get me home nicely.

Oh yeah...that black cloud? Jenny left this morning to oversee the next part
of the construction...rafters, roof, window placement, etc. Moments after
she left, I headed for the computer...guess she was lightening the load and
cleaning out her purse, and there was a pile of relatively unimportant
things left here at the computer desk like her credit cards, Chevron, AAA
membership card, driver's licence, etc. Well, she left here with a pile of
MY cash, so I know she's got enough to buy off any Mountie who might have
the misfortune of pulling her over. I'm not sure how far she's going to get
with the cards she did take, like Sweet 16 (she wishes), Sears etc.

One day this will all be over.

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Goudey Ruth on ebay
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:18:49 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

Check out this "original" '33 Goudey Ruth on ebay.  Hope somebody doesn't actually
meet the reserve:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1579768114

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 19:31:54 -0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson
From: Carlos Alcazar <alcazar@sympatico.ca>

Just a heads up in case somebody is looking for the card:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1579083820

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>, "Carlos Alcazar" <alcazar@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:24:16 -0800
From: "Greg Conway" <yazmon@sigecom.net>

Checked it out a bit late. Looks like Jeff Delott got it. Score one for the
good guys!

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Alcazar" <alcazar@sympatico.ca>
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson

> Just a heads up in case somebody is looking for the card:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1579083820
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To: yazmon@sigecom.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:03:47 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>

For those of you who may be interested in this card, I've listed a decent
copy...I'm pretty sure it will go for less than $100 -- I've listed it
before at that price, and it didn't sell.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1582625321&rd=1

Good luck :) bid early, bid often, make me...uh...solvent!

Jeff Sackmann

From: "Greg Conway" <yazmon@sigecom.net>
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>, "Carlos Alcazar" <alcazar@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson
Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:24:16 -0800

Checked it out a bit late. Looks like Jeff Delott got it. Score one for the
good guys!

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carlos Alcazar" <alcazar@sympatico.ca>
To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay: 1953 Topps Robinson

> Just a heads up in case somebody is looking for the card:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1579083820
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC holiday gift exchange
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 06:05:30 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>

Everyone who signed up for this year's gift exchange should have gotten an
email from me telling them who their "victim" will be.  If you haven't
gotten such an e-mail, let me know!  I will send you the name of your

If you still want to sign up, you have a couple more weeks to get in on the

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 04:20:47 EST
Subject: Fwd: New items appearing in your saved search - 1948 leaf 8
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

Take a look at this Satchel Paige card.   Any comments on the value or proper

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 00:30:47 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Fwd: New items appearing in your saved search - 1948 leaf 8
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

I would not give as much for this card as I would for a Paige. I
would guess reserve is at least $1k and I think it would be worth
that (barely) This card is worth 5% of book on a "real" Paige.
Big Al in Seattle

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> Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 20:05:35 EST
Subject: 1961 Topps "mini's"
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Hey, at least the corners look pretty good...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1580892908

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:10:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Show Signing
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

I thought I would mention the Tacoma Dome show coming up this
weekend. Won't be too much OBC activity there but I know a lot of you
are Tiger fans and Al Kaline is signing. If you are interested in
getting something, let me or Dave Fallen know and we can work out
something. I will be there one day it looks like and Dave goes Friday
after work. Other than that we see former OBCers and Dealer Friend
Mack Macrae. Usually a good small show.
Big Al in Seattle

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: High End Trading?
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 21:39:48 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <bdonaldson@callisma.com>

There are a few high end pre-war cards that I'm looking for to help complete
some sets.  I doubt anyone has dups of these card but hey you never know;

1933 Goudey; 92 Gehrig, 106 Lajoie, 149 Ruth
1941 Playball; Joe DiMaggio, Pee Wee Reese
1954 Bowman Mantle
1956 Topps Mantle

I am looking for these cards in typical OBC condition (or worse).

Cards I would have available to trade include;

1934 Goudey Lefty Grove PSA 3
1935 Goudey Ruth (VG+), many others from that set
1952 Topps Mays (VG)
1953 Topps JRobinson (vg/ex)
1955 Bowman Mantle (G/VG), Aaron (VG), Mays (VG), or just about any card(s)
from that set.
1959 Topps Clemente(ex), Musial(ex)

=================

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 03:07:35 EST
Subject: Not about cards... request for daughter
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... my daughter, Sarah, has been studying State Capitols in her 5th
grade social studies class.  She's really taken to it and has done well
(better than me, frankly!). Anyway, I was just wondering if any of you who
may live near the capitol in your state would mind dropping her a short note
on a postcard that has a picture of the capitol building on it.  You can
write whatever you like or leave it blank... your choice, but even a note
about what your climate is like or what kids like to do in your city would be
cool.  Please address it to her at:

Sarah Wiehe
414 North 118th Plaza #1
Omaha, NE  68154

Thanks for the help!

=================

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 07:09:34 EST
Subject: my visit with David K.
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Glk@aol.com

Just a quick note to tell you that David looked great yesterday and is in
tremendous spirits!. Those of you that have met him should know that the
signature cigarette is now missing!! He told me he has replaced it with
sorting baseball cards for 4 hours a day while he takes it easy. Now, based
on the number of cards he has, he should not run out of cards to sort until
the spring of 2005!!! I wonder if it was a coincidence that Philip Morris
stock dropped about 6 dollars yesterday?!?!

We swapped heart stories and had a great lunch. We have traded our beers and
burgers for salads and ice tea!!

I'll go down and see him again next week. Take care everyone, Joel

=================

Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 11:10:38 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: 1961 Topps "Mini's"
From: WMDpks@aol.com

Those remind me of some rather nice "variations" I created with 1968 Topps All-Stars. They had the small player photo on one half of a horizontal-format card, with some verbiage and a big white 68 on the other half. I trimmed off the card so it only showed the picture, and the result was a nice little (complete) set of 1968 stars with the burlap borders on cards the size of 1948 Bowmans. I still have that complete set along with about a dozen duplicates, and I wouldn't part with them for anything, much less ever list them on eBay.

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
"I'm a scientist, Frank. I don't have TIME to think." (Dr. Clayton Forrester, MST3K)

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:48:44 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>

Anyone else going to the Chicago Rosemont Show on Saturday November 23rd?
George Vrechek

=================

To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:25 -0500
From: abaran@perriergroup.com

I will be there on Friday and/or Sunday, but I can't make it on Saturday.

Andy Baran
Nestl=E9 Waters North America Inc.
(630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office)
(630) 988-3501 (Cell)
(419) 715-2406 (Fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:49 PM
To: Ramblings
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?

Anyone else going to the Chicago Rosemont Show on Saturday November 23rd?
George Vrechek

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:06:36 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>

My situation is the same as Andy's -- I will be there friday and/or sunday.

From: abaran@perriergroup.com
To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:39:25 -0500

I will be there on Friday and/or Sunday, but I can't make it on Saturday.

Andy Baran
Nestlé Waters North America Inc.
(630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office)
(630) 988-3501 (Cell)
(419) 715-2406 (Fax)

-----Original Message-----
From: George Vrechek [mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net]
Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:49 PM
To: Ramblings
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?

Anyone else going to the Chicago Rosemont Show on Saturday November 23rd?
George Vrechek

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:29:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I've decided to name my HOM candidate
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>

Even before I became a full-fledged member of OBC, I
have thought long and hard about who I would name to
be in the Hall of Mediocrity.  I've made my choice and
submitted it:

I've thought about this for a month now and gone
through several worthy candidates.  As a lifelong
Yankee fan who remembers the 1970s teams well, I
thought about guys like Roy White, Sparky Lyle, Graig
Nettles and Thurman Munson.  Bobby Murcer's already
in.  I disallowed Piniella because he'll probably find
his way to the HOF as a manager.  I really wanted to
say Billy Martin; however, I decided
to break from the Yankees and go to the despised Red
Sox for my HOM candidate...

(Drum Roll, please...)

I am pleased to induct Bill ("Spaceman") Lee into
OBC's Hall of Mediocrity.  Since I read the Nash &
Zullo book "Baseball Hall of Shame" as a 12 year-old,
I have harbored something of a soft spot in my heart
for Lee (as well as a number of baseball's many
notorious flakes).  Despite being remembered for
telling a Boston newswriter about having marijuana
pancakes for breakfast, he was a decent pitcher who
was overshadowed by his eccentric behavior.

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Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 21:42:23 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Nov 22-24?
To: jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

i will probably be there saturday and maybe sunday.  gary mandell

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: eBay item 1582561090 (Ends Nov-18-02 193010 PST ) - 1933 Goudey #181 Babe Ruth
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 22:30:04 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

$40 for a Ruth?   Man, that's out of my price range.   <g>     Maybe one ofyou
rich guys are interested in this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1582561090&ssPageNameADME:B:ON:US:1
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: The Strangest OBC request you'll read today
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 9:16:26 +0000
From: <glenn.codere@ntlworld.com>

On our recent trip to the States, I became hooked on an item that we can't get here in Scotland, namely "Ice Breakers" mints - Hot Cinnamon flavor in particular. They come in a little red hockey puck shaped tin and are (IMHO) fantastic.

I brought a supply home with me, but I'm now down to the last box, and I can feel the withdrawal symptoms kicking in already.

Anyway, here's what I'd like to ask. Would anyone out there in OBC Land, preferably someone who has a PayPal account which can accept credit card payments, be prepared to send me out a few packs of these if I were to forward some cash to you to cover purchase and postage?

Told you this would be a weird one!

Gotta go......I feel the shakes coming on......need....cinnamon...mint.....now........

Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 18:25:59 EST
Subject: Someone has Mayo Cut Plug etc for sale.
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com

Just wanted to pass this along to some of you.  He has some Mayo Cut Plug
cards as well as what appear to be Gold Coin and lots of other tobacco
issues.  I don't know what he wants for them.  I didn't ask. He sent me a
scan and I knew I couldn't afford them.

Buck Ewing,D Foutz,Anson, Griffin,Ward  (Mayo Cut Plug) 70plus baseball
cards and about 300 misc sets of various cards.
315.245.4224 if you can provide a fax number I'll send you a copy of
some of them.

The cards are in very good condition. I've got almost 80 baseball cards from
various tobacco companies. Also in the collection are various sets of other
tobacco cards such as 'Flags of the World', 'Weapons of the World', Great
Admirals' etc. they amount to around 300 more cards. Thanks for passing them

=================

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:02:10 EST
Subject: Cut Plug Cards ... forgot the address
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: t206guy@aol.com

Sorry I forgot the email address.

<A HREF="mailto:vrolletta@WhitacreEngineering.com">vrolletta@WhitacreEngineering.com</A>

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To: <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: T206 question...
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:02:37 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

Quick question for those T206 and other pre-war card enthusiasts who may beable
to answer it:

Is there a way to tell from the card back of a T206 (Tobacco brand and factory
designation) what year it was issued in, during the time frame 1909-11?

I have noticed that several graded T206's I've seen will say "1909 SoverignCigarettes"
or "1911 Sweet Caporal" on the label, for example.   Just wondered
if there is any way to tell.

Maybe this is in that T206 book that I've heard about?

Any info. would be appreciated.

=================

Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 22:07:40 EST
Subject: Need some help...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Well, it's that time of year again at work, time for our company holiday
party.  And of course this means I need some cards.  This year looks like we
will have Walt Frazier, Tiki Barber and possibly Bobby Valentine.  Cards of
these guys around here are either really scare or really overpriced.  I'll
take any and all cards of these guys.  They are really good about signing for
me.  I almost have all of Bobby V's cards signed.  Last year Howard Cross
also stopped by, so if there are any of him (NY Giants) would be appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
Also, the wavier wires have been sorted and will be in the mail this

=================

Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 03:58:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Heading to the Dec Ft. Wash show?
From: "obc_spike" <obc_spike@yahoo.com>

Hey all,

Checking it to see who's got Ft. Washington on their mind, who might
be coming down from New England, and who's looking to split a hotel
room. Haven't decided on my transportation method yet, but driving is
certainly an option. Anyone else planning on staying near the show in
a hotel?

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Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 00:38:03 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T206 question...
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com

In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:07:33 PM Central Standard Time,
jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes:

> Quick question for those T206 and other pre-war card enthusiasts who may be
> able to answer it:
> Is there a way to tell from the card back of a T206 (Tobacco brand and
> factory designation) what year it was issued in, during the time frame
> 1909-11?
> I have noticed that several graded T206's I've seen will say "1909 Soverign
> Cigarettes" or "1911 Sweet Caporal" on the label, for example.   Just
> wondered if there is any way to tell.
> Maybe this is in that T206 book that I've heard about?
> There is a way and it is in the book.  For starters the 150 subjects are
the first series, the 350 subjects are the second series, and the 350-460
subjects are in the third series.  Many poses are in 2 series but no pose is
in all three.  the number of possible combinates of fronts and backs
certainly exceeds 7000, maybe higher.  - Doug

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Home Again
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2002 09:16:12 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

Went in early Wed. am for another heart tune up.  Sitting back home at the keyboard
typing on Fri. am.   The repair work that I had done, would have probably
been a week to 10 day stay in the hospital 10 years ago.  Doing good,
still have some blood pressure issues that we are working on.  Obc is good
for helping in that area.  I get to sort cards and try and hit a few wantlist.
Also finding a ton of stuff that will cause a few new sets to be added.

In short,  feeling pretty good,  in good spirits,  might try and hit sun times
show for an hour or so next weekend.

Look for a few more packages to hit the mail as energy allows.

David K.

I GOT UM, U NEED UM, U GET UM.

=================

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 22:24:27 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Availables
From: "jimbo777777" <jimbo777777@yahoo.com>

A scattering of Post Baseball availables, not for the condition
conscious.  Most have significant writing on them.

1961:  107 114
1962: 50 150 177
1963: 31 63 133 142 171

Free to a good home.

=================

Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 16:57:21 -0800 (PST)
To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: ESPN.com: Cubs vs. Red Sox: The horror, the horror
From: yazmon@sigecom.net

You have received this ESPN.com mail from:

Greg (yaz)

The "Cubs vs. Red Sox: The horror, the horror" story is located at http://espn.go.com/mlb/s/2002/1107/1457520.html

I thought you might find this story interesting.
Greg (yaz)

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ESPN.com's daily headlines can be delivered to you each day by subscribing to SportsFlash today.
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: AVAILABLES
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:00:14 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

2 SMALL STARTER SETS

64 Philadelphia football   about a dozen cards

65 Philadelphia football  about 20 cards with a Honung, and a Jurgensen.

David K

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] AVAILABLES
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2002 20:09:14 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

That didn't take long.  Both are gone

----- Original Message -----
From: David Kolenda
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 16, 2002 8:00 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] AVAILABLES

2 SMALL STARTER SETS

64 Philadelphia football   about a dozen cards

65 Philadelphia football  about 20 cards with a Honung, and a Jurgensen.

David K

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:30:19 EST
Subject: The Postman Cometh...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com

Hi! All,
The last of 15 packages went out in the mail yesterday.  One to go and I'll
be done for the mailings.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Out of town
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:05:31 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" <illini90@earthlink.net>

OBCers --

I'm heading out today for about a week (over to Ventura - Channel Islands
Air National Guard Base), so if you need me for anything I'll get with you
when I get back...

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: OBC, OTR, and Christmas 2002
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:40:34 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" <dfallen@attbi.com>

Many of you know I have a love of Old Time Radio (OTR).  It is natural to combine
that with an interest in vintage baseball.

Last year I produced a CD containing 12 baseball games from 1934 to 1964, and
31 radio programs with a baseball theme, programs like Fibber McGee andMolly,
Gunsmoke, and Ozzie and Harriett -- about 42 hours of entertainmentin
all.  I thought this was a one-shot deal!

Since then I have acquired another 10 baseball games, and a dozen very charming
15 minute Dizzy Dean radio shows from 1948.  A complete list of programs
(both last year's and this year's) can be seen at http://home.attbi.com/~dfallen/OBC_Christmas.htm

I know there are a few of you that would like to have these programs, including
some new OBC members who weren't here for last year's offer.  So once again
I make the offer:  any OBC member that wants a copy of the CD, all you
have to do is ask.  With your request PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR CURRENT MAILINGADDRESS
as this saves me some time.

This year's CD will contain all of the programs from last year as well as all
of the new ones.  As before, all of the files will be in MP3 format.  I will
not include a MP3 player on the CD this year.  Almost everyone alreadyhas
a MP3 player installed already - to find out, just double-click on thefile
and it should open and play.  If you need help, I offer tech support as
exactly the same price as I charge for the CD.

I have re-encoded all of the MP3 files to a consistant bitrate of 32 kbits and
sampling rate of 44,100kHz.  What this means is that if you own a portable
CD player that supports MP3 files, these programs should work on them.

PLEASE NOTE these files will NOT play on an ordinary audio CD player.  There
are five options for listening to these files:
1.  Play them on your computer.
2.  Play them on a CD player that supports the MP3 format.
3.  Download the files to a portable MP3 device, such as the Rio.
4.  Many DVD players will also play MP3 files.
5.  Convert the MP3 files to WAV files and burn them onto CDs.  Then you can
play them on an ordinary audio CD player.  Bear in mind, however, that there
is nearly 70 hours of audio here which is going to take a whole lot of CDs
if you want to do it this way.

This is a no-strings attached offer - my way of wishing one and all a very happy
holiday season.

-Dave Fallen
=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: MORE AVAILABLES
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:15:51 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

If anyone needs 1974 topps team cards, the ones with the red border, (73 had
blue border) let me know.  Found a box with a couple hundred this morning.

David K.

I GOT UM, YOU NEED UM, YOU GET UM.

At this rate I might find an Aaron rookie that been missing for about 5 years.

=================

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:20:03 EST
Subject: On the road again!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - I will be leaving for Washington, DC tomorrow morning and will not
return until next Friday. The damn terrorist are keeping me very busy!

I did manage to bring Margaret chocolates from Belgium and I even managed to
consume some great Belgium beer while on my trip to Antwerp! I had little
time for anything else and will probably be traveling a lot for the
foreseeable future.

With Homeland Security on the fast track my position with US Customs is up in
the air and I am hoping for an early retirement. I am pretty sure after the
dust settles I will still be employed and very busy with antiterrorist
matters. In any event I hope when all of this is settled I will have more
time to devote to OBC as I miss sending cards and all the great "Ramblings,"

I will be staying at the Embassy Suites 1250 22nd Street N.W. (202) 857-3388
while in Washington and will also have my cell phone with me (510) 378-4666.
I welcome any contact from any of you!

Another Baseball Quote:

"What do you want me to do? Let those sons of bitches stand up there and
think on my time."

------Grover Cleveland Alexander, on why he pitches so fast

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: meassage from my dealer scum alter ego
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 17:46:57 -0500
From: "ochiai" <ochiai@mindspring.com>

Hi all
I'm about to send out my Fall 2002 Catalog for Japanese cards.  Anybody who
would like to be on my mailing list, please email me off list.
Rob Fitts

=================

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 23:10:00 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Tacoma Dome Show
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

Went to the biggest show in the NW Saturday. They run it 4 times a
year and most of the time they split the building with a coin show.
The November show features Tony LaRussa's Animal Relief Fund
Autoghaph sessions. We saw "ButterBean" the pro fighter/wrestler and
Megan Quan, local Olympic Champ. Tony was signing and a couple M's.
We got the M's to sign a ball each. Al Kaline was not around and no
info was given why.
OBC friendly dealer Mark Macrae was there with his usual assortment
of old cards and neat stuff. He did bring a bunch of Salada coins and
a couple Junket boxes with him so if you are working that set, he has
some fair prices.
Former OBCer Shawn Draper was there but only had UV so I passed on
his table. I ran into a dealer that Mike Hair recommended named Dave
Trimble from Salt Lake City. Good selection and fair prices. When I
mentioned Mike and OBC, we hit it off and talked for a while. Like
always, knowing Mike didn't mean SH** on a discount<G>. Truthfully,
he already had knocked of a good chunk of the price.
Really got a lot of cards off my lists and a few goodies for other
Big Al in Seattle

=================

Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 19:16:49 EST
Subject: Wantlist updated
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

Ok...finally got around to it and I think I have my regular, Knicks, Jets and
Islanders lists up to date.  Now all I have to do is create the Nets page and
I MAY be up to speed...
Waiver hits going out this week...

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: IM Chat
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 20:01:26 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

Almost by accident, or Karma, or something, a weird thing happened tonight.
Here I was signed on to IM, talking to Bob Schaub...then Rob signed on, then
Andy, then Doug, and Josh....then....well, you get the idea. In no time, we
had a chat room going, and had a heckuva great time.  I hear from the
old-timers (yes, Howard, you were there too) that this happened on a regular
basis way back when. The 10 or so of us who were in the room figure it
should happen more often.....even got to hear a few cards change hands!
Anybody in favor of setting aside a regular time for something like this?
Maybe a Sunday night, or a Monday night? Early evening, to accommodate time
changes of course. And for those who haven't signed up for IM, why not do
it? It's free, and it's fun, and if it gets you down you can always delete

=================

Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:00:54 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IM Chat
To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Sunday or Tuesday nights would work best for me...I used to love the chats
and would rush home from work to talk to everyone, trade cards, answer
trivia, and generally have a good time.

=================

To: <grains@dccnet.com>,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IM Chat
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:23:55 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

Whatever time is chosen, I will fit it into my schedule.

----- Original Message -----
From: Wite3@aol.com
To: grains@dccnet.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IM Chat

Sunday or Tuesday nights would work best for me...I used to love the chats
and would rush home from work to talk to everyone, trade cards, answer
trivia, and generally have a good time.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:42:33 EST
Subject: Chat
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- any time for the chat is ok for me but i hope the chat is
in AOL chatroom setup- i can't use the chat rooms set up by OBC or OCT
because when i try to access them i get a message my browser doesn't support
some kind of needed program  like JAVA- whatever that is-i get some message
to enable JAVA but i don't understand that-

=================

To: <jazzgirl1920s@aol.com>,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chat
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 12:52:56 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

You can download the standalone IM program from http://www.aim.com/index.adp
If the chat is within an AOL chatroom, the rest of us cannot access it.
   (If someone knows otherwise, please tell the rest of us.)

----- Original Message -----
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:42 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chat

hi- this is Linda- any time for the chat is ok for me but i hope the chatis
in AOL chatroom setup- i can't use the chat rooms set up by OBC or OCT
because when i try to access them i get a message my browser doesn't support
some kind of needed program  like JAVA- whatever that is-i get some message
to enable JAVA but i don't understand that-

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Available: old cameras
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 15:36:38 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

Anyone collect old cameras (working or not) from the 50s?   I have a couplesitting
around from my father.  If I don't get a reply, I think they'll gointo
the Salvation Army donation box.

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Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 16:47:49 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IM Chat
To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

Sounds like fun. 6:00 p.m. est during teh week works best for me.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 06:10:19 +0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] IM Chat
From: Lynn Miller <lynnm@piol.net>

I've never done IM before.  But I use Netscape 7.0 and just completed
the AOL IM registration.  I'll stay on-line with IM the whole time I'm
on-line.  My user name is bubbleheadpi for those that want to try and
catch up with me and add me to your buddy list.  Then I can add you in
return.  I'll endeavor to participate but being 12 hours ahead of EST
will make it very early morning for me the next day and I'll probably be
in the process of rounding up and transporting a bunch of kids for
school :>)     Lynn

=================

To: "David Kolenda" <DKolenda@surfnetinc.com>,
Subject: AVAILABLES (still some left)
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 21:28:15 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

Still plenty left,  If you need any, send me your list.  I'll send everybody
who has asked so far some.

If anyone needs 1974 topps team cards, the ones with the red border, (73 had
blue border) let me know.  Found a box with a couple hundred this morning.

David K.

I GOT UM, YOU NEED UM, YOU GET UM.

At this rate I might find an Aaron rookie that been missing for about 5 years.

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Christmas?
Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:43:48 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

Hi all,

Is it too late to get signed up for the OBC Christmas swap?
I have to apologize for the short notice again with my standard
story of being too busy at work, other priorities, etc.  But
if it is at all possible to still get on the name swap list,
please let me know.  I regret to say also that I forget who is
in charge of it this year, otherwise I would be e-mailing you
directly.  No offense intended.

On a better note, I am going to my first card show in almost
a year this weekend, in Greensboro, NC.  The promoter is the
same guy who usually does the Raleigh, NC shows that I go to
maybe 2 or 3 times a year, which is usually the only chance at
finding any decent vintage material here in the sportscard "cold-bed"
that is the Southern U.S.   Beckett is advertising this as a
450 table show, but I highly doubt all of those will be for cards,
as this is being billed as a "toy show" as well.  If anybody
just has to have Chicken-Dance Elmo before Christmas, let me
know :)  Anyway, if I could get put on the Christmas swap list
prior to this weekend, the show would hopefully make for happy
hunting grounds.

Hope everybody is doing well -- I apologize again for my absence
as of late.

=================

To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Christmas?
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 20:07:06 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>

I am in charge this year.

If anyone has not yet signed up, do so NOW!!!  I mean NOW!!!  The clock is
ticking!  :)

Also-everyone-if you haven't updated your lists in a while, now would be a
good time to do so, because your secret santa wants to make sure s/he is
sending you something you need!

John- I've got you on the list.  I will let you know soon who your 'victim'

From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Christmas?
Date: 19 Nov 2002 06:43:48 -0800

Hi all,

Is it too late to get signed up for the OBC Christmas swap?
I have to apologize for the short notice again with my standard
story of being too busy at work, other priorities, etc.  But
if it is at all possible to still get on the name swap list,
please let me know.  I regret to say also that I forget who is
in charge of it this year, otherwise I would be e-mailing you
directly.  No offense intended.

On a better note, I am going to my first card show in almost
a year this weekend, in Greensboro, NC.  The promoter is the
same guy who usually does the Raleigh, NC shows that I go to
maybe 2 or 3 times a year, which is usually the only chance at
finding any decent vintage material here in the sportscard "cold-bed"
that is the Southern U.S.   Beckett is advertising this as a
450 table show, but I highly doubt all of those will be for cards,
as this is being billed as a "toy show" as well.  If anybody
just has to have Chicken-Dance Elmo before Christmas, let me
know :)  Anyway, if I could get put on the Christmas swap list
prior to this weekend, the show would hopefully make for happy
hunting grounds.

Hope everybody is doing well -- I apologize again for my absence
as of late.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: SUN TIMES SHOW 22 -24
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:10:23 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

I hope to sneak in an hour or two over the weekend at the Sun Times Show.

If anyone is coming into town and needs a place to hang your hat, drop me aline.
 We are about an hour away from the show.

David K.

=================

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:32:01 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: thanks to david
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Hi gang,

A big thanks to David Kolenda, who sends a four-pack of TV sets -- 1955 Bowmans - my way. Included are Johnny Antonelli, Bill Bruton, Dave Jolly and Del Crandall. Awesome package, thanks so much!

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SUN TIMES SHOW 22 -24
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 16:12:34 -0500
From: "Mac Wubben" <obcmac@hotmail.com>

...or three hours away with Rittenberg driving and myself and Hatch as

>From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>
>To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SUN TIMES SHOW 22 -24
>Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 10:10:23 -0600
>I hope to sneak in an hour or two over the weekend at the Sun Times Show.
>If anyone is coming into town and needs a place to hang your hat, drop me a
>line.  We are about an hour away from the show.
>David K.

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: IM Chat Sessions
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:50:34 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

Okay, lots of replies about favoured times...(in the U.S. it's favored I
believe)....it was pretty evenly split between Sunday and Tuesday, hour of
choice was 8:00 EST or 5:00 PST.....(Lynn and Glenn, I have NO idea what
time that would make it where you guys are).

So, to be democratic, why not have both....those available on Sundays, go
for it...those available Tuesdays, go for it...anyone signed on can grab a
room, and I am sure that almost everyone is covered on somebody's buddy
list, so just invite everyone, and have a free-for-all.

Guess the first one opens around 5 EST or 8 PST tonight...next one will be
Sunday, same time...

I knew we couldn't please everybody!

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: OOPS
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:53:47 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

That would be 8:00 EST tonight, or 5:00 PST.

I can't figure out Metric either :(

=================

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 23:04:06 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: SUN TIMES SHOW 22 -24
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

One hour depending on traffic and whose directions you follow! Do not
look for Enterprise St., It is a wild goose chase! Sal, what street
is next?!? Earl, turn around!!
Big Al safely in Seattle and not Indiana

--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@s...> wrote:
> I hope to sneak in an hour or two over the weekend at the Sun Times
> If anyone is coming into town and needs a place to hang your hat,
drop me a line.  We are about an hour away from the show.
> David K.

=================

Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:40:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Name dropping time...
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet <chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com>

Today I had to go to a meeting because my company
(AT&T Broadband) has been devoured by Comcast.  At the
end of the meeting, they brought out JOE NAMATH to
give us a few words!

Broadway Joe had five autographed footballs to give to
my co-workers, and when each winner called out, Joe
passed the ball to them (and he still has a perfect
spiral).  No, I didn't win one, but I got to shake his
hand and talk to him.

When I got home and told my wife, she said "who's he?"
I responded he was a big-time QB for the Jets, and
she shrugged...then, when I informed her he was the QB
that made a guest appearance on "The Bardy Bunch"...

"Oh, yeah...I remember him!  Wow."

Take care,

Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site
http://webhosting.yahoo.com

=================

Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 20:03:57 EST
Subject: Large lot of 1950 Bowmans on ebay
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i don't see too many 50 + card lots of 1950 Bowmans on
ebay- this is a lot of 80 cards-- <A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1584121281">eBay
item   1584121281  (Ends   Nov-21-02 20:...</A> i was high bidder at time of
this e-mail but this lot sure isn't going to sell for under $3 a card-and
with some low numbers too!-- Linda

=================

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 01:13:04 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: chat...
From: "Suzanne Freegard-Schoenrock" <sassyrock@aol.com>

since everyone doesn't have the same internet system, ( aol,
icq,yahoo, msn...) we know that everyone has yahoo since that is our
means of communication...I tried out the yahoo chat room in our obc
ramblings site, and it worked just fine.The cool thing about yahoo
chat is that you can also do a voice chat if you wanted to. Now all
you need to do is add everyone's yahoo ID to your friend's list and
you will be able to see when people are online...invite them into the
room or do many other things.  they also have the capability to do a
web cam so you can see the person on the other end if they have
one...just thought this might make the chat thing easier if we use
the resources that are already availible to the entire group.
thanks Sassy...
ps...I am in there now if anyone is interested and will stay in there
for awhile...I  have it set for voice so if you do as well give me a

=================

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 15:42:48 -0600
To: 0ramblings <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: rotman-auction
From: Rick & Deb <debrick@onemain.com>

OBC Friends...yeah...good ol' Jerry.  (oh, brother...)
Take a look:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971158219
Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas (Ph03)

=================

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:45:18 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: rotman-auction
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., Rick & Deb <debrick@o...> wrote:
> OBC Friends...yeah...good ol' Jerry.  (oh, brother...)
> Take a look:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971158219
> Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas (Ph03)
> OBC-OK!!

What a fool! Everyone knows it's Jimmy Callahan

=================

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 19:50:14 EST
Subject: 1933 Goudeys
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com

I have accumulated some 1933 Goudey dupes.   If you are working on this set
and want me to check your want list, please let me know.
Take care,

=================

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 20:51:32 -0500 (EST)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net (alcattle)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: rotman-auction
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:45:18 -0000
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: rotman-auction
=================

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 02:51:10 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: IM Chat Sessions
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

I got AIM working at home. Funny part is I was still signed up from
when I had an AOL account (7-8 years ago) so I still had a buddy
list. Mostly same of buddy list (Wite3, GLK, Tply, Topgolf) but there
was one that I did not remember ... Kiln115. Who? Of course, you
knows who showed up online last night. I finally had to ask who he
was. For those as memory challenged as me and to new folks, he is
Barry Clesh. A former OBCer and good trader who dropped out of sight
almost. Said his hobby and part time job is computers and spends much
time on chat and IM, even voice over PC. Tried to get me into it but
that would mean finding the parts and putting in a new program.
Sounds like work, so that is out. Anyway, if anyone is on at Midnight
PST, look me up.
Big Al AIM=alcattle in Seattle

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Is this a green tint?
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 23:59:11 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

Maybe I'm tired or I've looked at too many of these.  What's your opinion? Is
this a green tint?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1585494997

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Horrors of War on ebay
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 00:31:20 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

I think a couple of people might be interested in these.  I have a box of about
100-150 dupes but I couldn't match the price on these.  Currently at $1.50
/ card with 20 hours to go.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item738255596
=================

To: "Mike Hair" <topgolf@aol.com>,
Subject: Las Vegas 51s home schedule
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 03:15:14 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

The home schedule has been announced as follows:

Monday Oct 07, 2002
3-6 vs Salt Lake
7-10 vs Edmonton
19-22 vs Tacoma
24-27 vs Sacramento

6-9 vs Edmonton
10-13 vs Tucson
23-26 vs Portland
27-30 vs Salt Lake

9-12 vs Omaha
13-16 vs Tacoma
26-29 vs Tucson
30 vs Fresno

1-3 vs Fresno
10-13 vs Iowa
17-20 vs Colorado Springs
25-28 vs Albuquerque
29-31 vs Fresno

1 vs Fresno
15-18 vs Portland
29-Sept 1 vs Sacramento

As I understand, this may require a change for the dates of V03 but we willwait
for the Commisioner to give his ruling.

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Fake '52 Mantle being sold as real on ebay....
Date: 22 Nov 2002 12:11:03 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971219062

Check out this auction.  Look at the scan of the back of the
card.  Now, I may just be an idiot, but do real '52 Topps cards
have that border looking line running above the red field with
the name, etc.?   And do any #311 Mantle's have dirty white backs?
To me, this card (while beat up and trimmed pretty well to look
convincing) looks suspiciously similar to the reprint that was
issued in Baseball Cards Magazine back in 1988.  Notice that
on the back, the area where the lettering "Topps Baseball" is
supposed to be has been scratched out.  But even more glaring,
the areas on the bottom left and right sides of the back, which
are supposed to say "T.C.G." and "Printed in USA" are not scratched
out and do not have this printing.  Yep, pretty sure this one
is fake.  I have already e-mailed both the seller and buyer alerting
them to this fact.  I hope this is an honest mistake, but it
seems like I've been running across more unscrupulous dealers
on ebay lately.  The bid is at $500?   Seems to me more than
a few decimal places need to change on that one !

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: T206 Population Report
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:05:59 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <bdonaldson@callisma.com>

I've recently come in contact with a James Walker III jwalker@modernfold.com
who is working on a T206 back population report which I think is a great

I contacted him via email and he sent me a T206 spreadsheet with all 7918
front back combinations. I entered the ones I had and  mailed them back to
him.  When he gets enough replies he will give compile and distribute a
population report.

I encourage everyone with a large T206 collection (or T205/T207, he's doing
those also) to contact him and help with the population report.

p.s.  For anyone who does not want to fill out the spreadsheet, because they
don't have a spreadsheet program or just have a couple of cards.  If you
email me what you have (player and exact back combination, including series
and factory) I will update the spreadsheet for you and distribute to James.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Update on OBC, OTR, and Christmas
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:21:37 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" <dfallen@attbi.com>

I haven't responded individually to those who requested the CDs, but rest assured
all who asked will get it.

I finally resolved a 3-way conflict among Windows XP, Easy CD Creator, and Norton
Anti Virus and am now able to actually burn CDs again!  So, I shouldbe
able to wrap this up in a couple of weeks or so and get these things inthe

One change:  I was overly optimistic about getting all the files on one CD,so
you will be getting two CDs instead.  I plan on putting last year's files
on one CD and this years files on another, just to keep things simple for
those who listened to all of last year's CD and are more interested in the
updates.  I think I'll label them Volume 1 and Volume 2.  Even if you gotlast
year's CD, I'll send both volumes to you because last year's CD was missing
the ending to the Met's inaugural game and that missing piece has been
added to Volume 1.

If you missed my original offer and are not sure what I'm talking about, check
http://home.attbi.com/~dfallen/OBC_Christmas.htm

An no, it's not too late to add your name to the list.

-Dave Fallen

=================

To: <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>
Subject: Green Tint Ruth?Yes it is.
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 17:18:11 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>

I can tell from the cropping. The tree branch over Ruth's left shoulder is closer
to the edge of the card by just a bit than the "clear" version.
George Vrechek

=================

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 18:51:17 EST
Subject: High numbers (?)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Gee, there aren't even any cards in the 700's...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971275852

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 20:37:25 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] High numbers (?)
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com
From: Mark S Talbot <talbot1@comcast.net>

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High #'s for `75 to `79 - What a joke - all the series from `74 on were
produced at the same time and there is no premium from HI #'s.&nbsp; Who
is this guy kidding?&nbsp; BE WELL!!!
<p>REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK
<p>"Live long and prosper" - Spock
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mark S. Talbot&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 34030 Chatsworth Drive&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sterling Heights, MI.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
48312-4604&nbsp;&nbsp; *
<br>&nbsp;*&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; talbot1@comcast.net&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<p>Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;<font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Gee,
there aren't even any cards in the 700's...</font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1><A HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971275852">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1971275852</A></font></font>
<p><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Happy Collecting!</font></font>
<br><font face="arial,helvetica"><font size=-1>Jim</font></font>
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Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 02:45:45 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Apologiy If I am not suppose to do this
From: "rayluurs" <LUURSCJG@aol.com>

If I am out of place, please let me know and i wont do this again.  I
dont know how it started, I must of bought someting from him off ebay
and got on his customer list.  I have bough cards from him and find
him to be very good with customer skills.  I have never felt cheatd
by him in anyway.  It a FCFS type deal but if you find something you
like I like to show you what he got. Hope you find a deal

Subj: GROUPS
Date: 11/22/02 7:45:23 AM Central Standard Time
From:    rcourtney@ameritech.net (rcourtney)
To:    rcourtney@ameritech.net

Over the next several months I will be selling off a majority of my
20,000 card collection, mostly in large group lots. Since most of the
cards are 1967 and prior, there will be some fantastic offerings in
the sales. Anyone building sets will want to look at these!

BE SURE TO VISIT ME ON EBAY AT rcourtney2001

This sale begins Friday, November 22, 2002 and ends Sunday, November
24 at 11:00 PM, EST. Shipping and Handling is $1 for orders less than
$10, $2 for orders of $10-$24, $3 for orders from $25-199, and $5 for
orders of $200 and above. Payment must be by check or money order
within seven (7) days following the end of the sale. I have a ten-
day, no questions asked, return policy, except for graded cards (no

Bob Courtney

21W635 Huntington Rd.

Glen Ellyn, IL 60137

(630) 469-6158 (phone/fax)

rcourtney2001 (ebay)

GROUP LOTS

LOT NUMBER

1.  1952-53 TOPPS : 7 cards. 52 Topps (3- vg), 53 Topps (4- vg/ex)

2.  1954 BOWMAN : 20 cards, EX to EX+. GREAT starter lot!  $70

3.  1955 TOPPS: 31 cards, VG/EX. TERRIFIC starter set!  $55

4.  1956 TOPPS: 5 cards, VG/EX   $10

5.  1956 TOPPS: 13 cards, EX to EXMT.  $39

6.   1957 TOPPS: 9 cards, VG to VG/EX. Includes Bauer, Adcock, Neal,
Craig, 1 Mid-Series card.  Nice starter lot.  $20

7.   1957 TOPPS: 15 cards, EX to EX+. NICE!   $35

8.   1957 TOPPS (Mid-Series): 17 cards, avg. VG/EX (couple better,
couple lesser). Anyone building a set wil want to consider these hard-
to-find cards!   $50

9.   1958 TOPPS (1-110): 30 cards, VG/EX to EX (about equal no.
each). This is a GREAT starter set!   Book $360   Price $70

10.   1958 TOPPS: 28 cards, VG/EX. SUPER starter lot!  $37

11.   1958 TOPPS: 27 cards, VG/EX. VERY nice!   $34

12.   1958 TOPPS: 37 cards, VG/EX to EX (about equal in no.)  One of
the best lots in the sale!  Total for all cards $77

13.   1959 TOPPS: 9 cards, VG/EX.   $9

14.   1959 TOPPS: 26 cards, EXMT avg. (couple NMT!)   $47

15.   1963 TOPPS: 46 cards, EXMT to NMT! FANTASTIC starter lot!  $87

16.   1960 FLEER: 31 cards, EXMT to NMT!  GREAT lot!   $52

17.   1961 FLEER: 48 cards, EXMT+ to NMT! GREAT starter lot!   $82

18.   1965 TOPPS: 101 cards, almost all NMT!!   $82

19.   1966 TOPPS: 35 cards, EXMT and better (all diff. from previous
lot)  $27

20.   1966 TOPPS: 35 cards, EXMT and better (all diff. from other 2
lots)  $27

21.   1966 TOPPS: 35 cards, EXMT and better!   $27

22.   1968 TOPPS (OPC): 6 cards, including Dodgers TC, Twins TC, 2
LLs, Tresh. NMT to NMT/MT!  $13

23.   1968 TOPPS: 69 cards, almost ALL NMT!   $47

24.   1961 POST CEREAL: 23 cards, mostly EXMT. GREAT starter lot!  $42

25.   1961 POST CEREAL: 23 cards (ALL diff. from Lot #24). Most are
EXMT  $42

26.   1963 POST CEREAL: 10 cards, EXMT   $20

27.   1969 TOPPS: 21 cards, NMT and better!  $10

28.   1970 TOPPS: 50 cards, almost all EXMT and better!  $18

29.   1970 TOPPS: 50 cards, almost all EXMT and better!  $18

30.   1970 TOPPS: 50 cards, almost all EXMT and better!  $18

31.   1970 TOPPS: 42 cards, almost all EXMT and better!  $13

32.   1973 TOPPS: 35 cards, mostly EXMT. MANY minor stars. $12

33.   1971 TOPPS: 32 cards, most EXMT   $18
1969-1981 TOPPS

34.   27 cards, NMT to NMT/MT. Includes 1969-70 (4- Weiss,
Boerwinkle, Kauffman, Peterson), 71-72 (3), 72-73 (3- Weiss, Ray), 73-
74 (3), 74-75 (6- Boerwinkle, Weiss, Adelman, Ray, Van Lier, Team
Ldr.), 77-78 (5- Mengelt, May), 1981-82 (3- Theus, Gilmore, Gilmore
IA)   $18
1987-88 FLEER

35.  104 cards, almost ALL NMT to NMT/MT! Includes many stars, minor
stars, Checklist. Total for all $37

36.   DAD'S COOKIES: 25 cards, NMT to NMT/MT!  $37

37.   DAD'S COOKIES: 25 cards, NMT to NMT/MT! (no dupl. with lot
#34)  $37

38.   DAD'S COOKIES: 25 cards, NMT to NMT/MT! (no dupl. with lot #33,
#34)  $37
39.   DAD'S COOKIES: 18 cards, NMT to NMT/MT! (no dupl. with above 3
lots)  $25
1968-69, 1969-70, 1976-77 TOPPS

40.   26 cards (5- 1968-69, 8- 1969-70, 13- 1976-77): Most NMT. Book
$60+   $21
1970-71 O-PEE-CHEE

41.   15 cards, VG/EX to EX. GREAT starter lot!  $15
1960 topps

42.   21 cards, VG to EXMT. Includes Brown, R., Conerly, Atkins,
Galimore, Casares  $10

1964 PHILADELPHIA

43.   48 cards, VG/EX. Includes 6 Team Cards, 2 Checklists (mkd.),
Ringo, T. Brown, Parker, Marchetti, many other stars!   $37

1965, 1966 PHILADELPHIA

44.   19 cards, VG+ to VG/EX (couple better). Includes 1965 (9-
Deacon Jones, Lenny Moore, Browns TC), 1966 (10- Packers TC, Rams TC,
Bull)   $18

1967 PHILADELPHIA

45.   17 cards, VG/EX to EX. Includes Cards TC, Matte, etc.   $9

1968-1974 TOPPS

46.   19 cards, EXMT to NMT. Includes 1968- 6 cards, 1969 Topps- 3
cards, 1970 Topps- 3 cards, 1971 Topps- 2, 1973 Topps-1, 1974 Topps-
4 cards. Total for all  $10

1970- 1981 TOPPS

47.   30 cards, ALL Chicago Bears. NMT and better!   $13

SINGLES (CONSIGNED)

1954 BOWMAN

48. #6  Fox    nmt   $50

49. #12  McMillan   nmt   $8

50. #15  ASHBURN   exmt+   $39

51. #17  Gorman   nmt   $8

52. #19  Shantz   nmt   $8

53. #23  Kuenn   exmt+   $14

54. #24  Porterfield   exmt   $7

55. #35  Joost   nmt   $8

56. #37  Kokos   exmt+/nmt   $7

57. #43  Friend   ex   $5

58. #44  Perkowski   exmt+/nmt   $7

59. #46  Repulski   exmt+/nmt   $7

60. #49  Byrd   nmt   $8

61. #55  Delsing   ex+   $5

62. #60  Baczewski   ex   $5

63. #66  Piersall   exmt   $40

64. #67  Scheib   nmt   $8

65. #68  Avila   nmt   $8

66. #70  Marshall   nmt   $8

67. #80  Logan   nmt   $8

68. #82  Goodman   nmt   $8

69. #84  DOBY   exmt   $13

70. #88  Umphlett   nmt   $8

71. #92  Raffensberger   exmt+/nmt   $7

72. #94  Hemus   nmt   $8

73. #115  Bollweg   nmt   $8

74. #122  Furillo   exmt+   $35

75. #123  Atwell   nmt   $8

76. #131  Astroth   exmt+   $7

77. #145  Billy Martin   exmt+   $47

78. #167  Hoeft   ex   $4

79. #175  Clark   exmt+   $7

80. #179  M. Martin   exmt   $6

81. #197  Kretlow   ex+   $5

82. #204  Collum   exmt+/nmt   $7

83. #224  Bruton (last card in set)   exmt+/nmt   $29

1957 TOPPS

84. #7  APARICIO   nmt   $23

85. #24  MAZEROSKI  RC  exmt+   $42

86. #130  Newcombe   exmt   $10

87. #318  McDermott (mid-series)   exmt+   $10

1960 TOPPS

88. #1  Wynn   exmt+/nmt   $19

89. #7  MAYS/Rigney   exmt+/nmt   $13

90. #35  FORD   exmt   $22

91. #50  KALINE   exmt   $22

92. #73  GIBSON   exmt+   $24

93. #295  Hodges   nmt   $13

94. #300  AARON   exmt+/nmt   $57

95. #445  SPAHN   exmt   $22

96. #450  CEPEDA   exmt+/nmt   $16

97. #490  F. ROBINSON   exmt+   $24

98. #493  SNIDER   exmt+/nmt   $24

1963 FLEER

99. #34  Pinson   exmt   $13

100. #41  DRYSDALE   exmt+/nmt   $38

101. #45  SPAHN   exmt   $35

102. #60  Boyer   exmt   $16

103. #61  Gibson   exmt

=================

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 10:46:01 -0500
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1966 Topps Batman
From: Dan Austin <dan@iamdanaustin.com>

I know some of you work on the '66 Topps Batman sets.  There are complete
sets of the red, blue and black sets up for bid on eBay right now if you're
interested.  Take a look here...

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: OBC Directory etc.
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 12:53:48 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" <grains@dccnet.com>

I think the Directory is up to date. Steve Rittenberg has kindly agreed to
take it over. My mail program is failing me, and I never did get the
Directory into a less bulky format. Steve has some great ideas how to do
that, hope he has better luck than I did. I know he's got more know-how! So
come January 1st, Steve wil be the Keeper of the Directory, along with his
other duties. Thanks Steve, for taking over!

On another note, Chat Sunday night, 5:00 PST or 8:00 EST.....I'll be on
Mystery Island, and can't join you, but at least you will able to talk about

=================

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 16:06:23 EST
Subject: A good year so far
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

I root for two teams in college football - the Ohio State Buckeyes (13-0) and
the Mount Union Purple Raiders (10-0).

Well, so far, so good.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Sun Times Show
Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 17:56:01 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

Got the chance to get out and take in the SunTimes Show.  Saw Gary Mandell and
George Vrechek.  Felt good  to get out.  Also felt good to get home andtake
a nap. Finished 64 Philly football, and did  some damage to a few other
sets.  Picked up a 61 post Estrada #73 which was only issued from the company.

David K.

=================

Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2002 19:00:28 EST
Subject: Virus warning?
To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

I don't want to be the one to cry wolf, but I just this minute recieved an
e-mail from Todd Knowles (tknowles@mocc.com) entitled "Buttons" Inside the
e-mail was a list of flowers plus an attached file which may or may not be
CPQStart.exe The e-mail was too long for AOL to process it in one shot, so I
fear it might be attached in the e-mail itself. I'm on a Mac, so I don't
think my computer is going to be affected, especially since AOL kindly turned
the e-mail into a text attachment. I've already given Todd('s daughter) a
heads up, but wanted to let the rest of you know too in case it's not coming
from him - or if it IS coming from him and you get a similar e-mail. PLMK if
I'm just paranoid,

Ken M

=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:37:28 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Virus warning?
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

I also got this one and it is a new one for me. Hotmail does not open
the file and I just got the text crap. Definatly a virus Email. Also
probably not from Todd but please, everyone get a virus checker.
Big Al in Seattle

--- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., cardclctor@a... wrote:
> I don't want to be the one to cry wolf, but I just this minute
recieved an
> e-mail from Todd Knowles (tknowles@m...) entitled "Buttons" Inside
> e-mail was a list of flowers plus an attached file which may or may
not be
> CPQStart.exe The e-mail was too long for AOL to process it in one
shot, so I
> fear it might be attached in the e-mail itself. I'm on a Mac, so I
> think my computer is going to be affected, especially since AOL
kindly turned
> the e-mail into a text attachment. I've already given Todd('s
daughter) a
> heads up, but wanted to let the rest of you know too in case it's
not coming
> from him - or if it IS coming from him and you get a similar e-
mail. PLMK if
> I'm just paranoid,
> Ken M

=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 00:06:18 EST
Subject: not about cards
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ehpiii@aol.com

Here is the major news from work this week ... anyone who is interested in
Clean Air or kid's health, etc. can feel free to email me to discuss.  An
influential industry lobbyist put in charge of EPA air pollution programs was
in charge of the regulation changes.

http://www.nrdc.org/news/newsDetails.asp?nID=822

That, plus a plan for getting rid of civil servants in federal gov't made for
a rather unhappy week at work.  I have a friend who works for the city gov't
and does not have civil service protections, and they are aksked to give $250
to the elected official who is their boss.  I'm sure it is *voluntary*  - I'd
hate to have a political price tag attached to my job.

=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 08:38:17 EST
Subject: Oddball, variation Help!!
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: jceru8600@aol.com

Hello out there in cardboard land,

OK, here goes.  I need some help in the oddball, variation category of
collecting.  I've decided to go after the Post cards from the early 60's.

Now the 62 and 63 sets are pretty straightforward, except maybe some
confusion with 63 Jello, but that is minor in comparison to the 61 set.

OK, here is the question.  Is there an easy way to distinguish between Box
and company versions (This really only matters in a handful of cards, Wynn,
Snider, Thomas, McCovey, Spahn, ).  There are some cards where the
box/company is distinguishable by the fact that they had two different teams
listed like Conley who has a card with both Redsox and Phillies.

So besides getting a caliper to figure out thickness, is there an easier way
or bottom line should I just forget about the distinction (which I'm more
inclined to do).

Any comments or help appreciated in advance.

Thanks, Joe Cerullo

=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 09:17:55 EST
Subject: Thome
To: OBC-Ramblings@Yahoogroups.com
From: malsman250@cs.com

As a Tribe fan, I am a big Jim Thome admirer, he has been a great player and
a class act for years.  His season in 2002 was phenomenal, he hit 52 homers
with absolutely no protection behind him in the lineup.

But if the Phils are willing to give him $15 million a year for six years,
they're nuts.

He's 32 years old.

He has a bad back, and has sat out many games.  Last year for the Tribe, he
was the DH in a number of games because he couldn't play in the field.  That
will be a little tough in the NL.

He is a big, bulky, slow-moving player - and it seems to me that those kind
of guys often "hit the wall" real fast in their early to mid-30s.  When I
think about Thome in a Phillies jersey, somehow I keep having visions of Greg
Luzinski in his later years.  I looked up similar players on Baseball
Reference - not too many of this type of slugger were really productive after
35.  (I know, I know, there are exceptions.....)

This signing thing will be done in the next couple days, and I don't know
which way to root.  If the Tribe keeps him, they could be saddled with
baseball's biggest white elephant in about 3 years.

=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:52:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Proceedure
From: "alcattle" <alcattle@earthlink.net>

Slow news day for us non football followers.
1) I updated the wantlist. All these people with this need to send me
cards has made the semi yearly updates obsolete. I hope I have to go
to weekly or daily updates<G>
2) I am going to the doctor tomorrow. Just a simple proceedure
everyone says! They are going to take a look at the south end of the
tunnel. Liquid diet today and nothing until they are done. Sheesh!
3) Other than that, I hope all you turkeys have a Happy Thanksgiving!
Big Al in Seattle

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LAST CHANCE [OBC] Holiday Gift Exchange
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 02:55:14 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" <jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com>

I'm about ready to make my very last Secret Santa assignments...if anybody
else wants to get in on the gift exchange this year, e-mail me pronto!

Jeff Sackmann
http://www.jeffsackmann.com

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=================

Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:03:56 EST
Subject: AIM List
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

For AIM Chats....

Krazycardguy-Carlos Alcazar
T206guy-Mark Atnip
DanAustin0-Dan Austin
Xdrj-John Ball
Pernongrat-Jim Beauchemin
Dodger Geo-Geordie Calvert
Yompkee-Steve Carter
JCERU8600-Joe Cerullo
kellysdad8-Brad Chambers
xcip-Dan Cipra
COLLINSJOHNC-John Collins
Amcook93-Andy Cook
Honus6-Andy Cook
Friar4-Bob Corvello
heyAC-Al Crotte
dcbbl-Dick Cummings
bdangelo-Bob D'Angelo
xddx-Doug Dejong
redsox3wmd-Wayne Delia
wmdpks-Wayne Delia
jdelott-Jeff Delott
chicod1-Sal Domino
zeppo60-Sal Domino
metsbwd-Brett Domue
toppsrun368-Brian Dwyer
tply-Rick Ellison
Tripleplay-Rick Ellison
Jazzgirl1920s-Linda Fitak
Celenox-Rob Gioia
Glk-Joel Glickman
Fappyheet-Spike Glidden
Kwg0-Kent Goto
Topgolf-Mike Hair
Jrhatchjr-Jim Hatch
Ecru-Brock Hattox
Ghay1-George Hay
Dsh46-Dave Hornish
Marcpeter-Peter Iversen
Laharanbrewer-Rick Keating
Obcfugitive-Richard Kimball
Kinneys6-Mike Kinney
Xtodd8-Todd Knowles
Davidkolen--Dave Kolenda
DKolenda1-Dave Kolenda
Washalou-Greg Kuhn
Wite3-Joshua Levine
Luurscjg-Ray Luurs
mma3026559-Mark Macrae
malsman-Bill Malson
smartalecx-Gary Mandell
kevinm38-Kevin Martens
jedward-John McLaughlin
bubbleheadpi-Lynn Miller
j1mole-Jim Moleta
tigersgam-George Moore
tigersgm-George Moore
zxrm-Robert Moore
hmorgan707-Howard Morgan
cardclctor-Ken Morganti
kenmorganti-Ken Morganti
dftn-David Nathan
rdn56-Bob Neill
jtnengprof-Tim Newcomb
cp7224-Chuck Paris
rwp521OBC-Robert Pigeon
ehpiii-Ed Pike
grainsgrant-Grant Rainsley
obcboreed-Bob Reed
mikesportsfan-Mike Rich
srittenber-Steve Rittenberg
hawk80-Jeff Sackmann
bobs7714-Bob Schaub
sassyrock-Sassy Schoenrock
matshirley-Matt Shirley
jfsilva-Jim Silva
sinnomore13-Jeff Sinclair
dougtrades-Doug Smith
kevinsauc-Doug Smith
traderdoug-Doug Smith
enduroking-Rex Stahlman
rksv56-Rick Svetecz
sweendoger-Pat Sweeney
bowman1951-Bob Wells
xtrjmx-Jim Wiehe
jimnjennie-Jim Wiehe
jimwiehe-Jim Wiehe
jwscards-Jim Wiehe
tradingjim-Jim Wiehe
mikeweir4-Mike Wierzbicki
alaskanobc-Tom Williams
kgwolfman-Kevin Wolf
txpoohbah-Terry Woods
mzredskins-Mark Zentkovich
lzurawski-Larry Zurawski

jocraig-Lorin Anderson
mazhof-John Harrell

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:37:48 -0800
Subject: Not Getting Messages...
From: Peter Iversen <marcpeter@juno.com>

Hello all - I have been out of town since Thursday the 21st and when I
got home tonight I found that the only messages I had in my IN box were
from Thursday the 21st - something must be wrong with JUNO - so if you
are writing something that I should respond to - and I haven't - I
apologise and please send it again...

Anyone else with JUNO having a problem...

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=================

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:50:08 EST
Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Announcements] OBC Master Directory (December  2002)]
To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
From: Smartalecx@aol.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 09:40:01 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] OBC Master Directory (December  2002)]
To: grains@dccnet.com, OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com

can someone do me a favor and send me the most recent obc directory put out
by grant?  for some reason, i cannot cut and paste this into a word document
and it basically freezes my computer.

appreciate the help.  tnx, gary mandell

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Mike Wheat cards
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:22:47 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

Hi everyone.  For a year or so, I've been perusing Mike Wheat's catalog andputting
in orders to be picked up at the Fort Washington show.  Often, these
orders are below his $25 minimum and by picking up in person, I avoid his
$6 handling fee.   Today he told me no more.   He said there is simply not
enough profit in it for him this way.  I still think Mike is a good guy and
I will check out his stuff in person.  He is the only dealer I know that>undergrades<
cards.   But his profit margins aren't enough for him to want
to deal with small fries like me.

=================

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:53:35 EST
Subject: Very rare Negro league set-
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- there is a rare Negro League set now on ebay- this is the
1st time i have seen this set offered- does any OBCer have it?? <A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1973068804">eBay
item   1973068804  (Ends   Dec-01-02 18:...</A>

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Three Fingered Brown
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:30:13 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" <bdonaldson@callisma.com>

The other night I was showing some of my T206's to my 12 year old stepson
Wil.  He was curious about the nickname of "Three Fingered" Brown.  I told
him the story of how Mordaci Brown had an accident as a young man on his
pitching hand which had the unexpected benefit of an improved curve ball.  I
told him I had a picture of Brown's hand.  I thought it was in a book I had
of Charles Conlon photos, but I could not find it.

Does anyone know the picture I'm talking about?  And where I might find it?
If not that's OK as this may be a good excuse for a family excursion to
Cooperstown to visit the BB library.

=================

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 19:42:31 -0500 (EST)
To: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] OBC Master Directory December 2002
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

The World Book Encyclopedia is smaller the some of your notes.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 20:50:22 EST
Subject: 1952 Topps high Numbers on eBay
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Stumbled across these auctions...not much time left but for anyone
interested, there are some low grade cards at what I think are decent prices.
Most all the high numbers (now only #373-407 are still running).  Smokey
Burgess sold for $24.50 to give an example of condition/price.

<A HREF="http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=jpssports&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=25">ebay</A>
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=jpssports&

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: '52 Topps Mantle...or is it?
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 00:27:48 -0800
From: "John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1973277739

Check out the price and uh, not-so-clear description-ramblings of this ebayseller.
Is the auction for a '52 Topps Mantle, a '51 Bowman Mantle, a '52Bowman
Mantle, or all three?  Also, any potential buyer will be glad to know
that these cards are in bullet proof cases.  I have been wondering lately
how to solve the pesky problem of house-burglars who keep breaking in andviolently
shooting all of my Mickey Mantle cards......

(Who knows....)

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 09:35:49 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '52 Topps Mantle...or is it?
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com

Did you also notice the seller has changed his Ebay ID and has a
rating of 0?  This looks like a scam waiting to happen.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 11:25:21 -0500
To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com ("John Collins"),
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] '52 Topps Mantle...or is it?
From: malsman250@cs.com

Gee whiz, you guys got a problem bidding $20,000 on something you can't see from a guy that has never sold an item on Ebay before?  O ye of little faith - Come on guys, have a little faith in your fellow man....

"John Collins" <jcollins12@triad.rr.com> wrote:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1973277739
>Check out the price and uh, not-so-clear description-ramblings of this ebay seller.  Is the auction for a '52 Topps Mantle, a '51 Bowman Mantle, a '52 Bowman Mantle, or all three?  Also, any potential buyer will be glad to know that these cards are in bullet proof cases.  I have been wondering lately how to solve the pesky problem of house-burglars who keep breaking in and violently shooting all of my Mickey Mantle cards......
>(Who knows....)

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 12:32:43 EST
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps high Numbers on eBay
To: Toppsrun368@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

ARRRGGGHHHH----I need that Smokey and for $25 it is a steal....ARRRGGGGHHH

=================

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 02:28:25 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Hi end trade ?
From: "RRFARRELL" <rrfarrell@yahoo.com>

I picked up a nice 48 bowman yogi berra this weekend.  Since I don't
collect that set I figured I could trade it for some on my list.
The card is ex+, real nice.  I'll send a huge scan to anyone
Let me know

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:38:28 EST
Subject: Paypal Question
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Does anyone know if I can have someone else pay a seller for my eBay winning
through Paypal?  I won a card from Real Legends and they only accept Paypal
(don't know how I missed that one).  Is it allowable for someone to send them
the $19 or so and then for me to reimburse the person? Or does payment have
to come from my account?

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:40:33 EST
Subject: 50 1933 Goudey Lajoie's on thick cardboard
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- an ebay seller has 50 1933 Goudey Lajoie's on thick
cardboard- <A
HREF="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1971688870">eBay
item   1971688870  (Ends   Nov-28-02 19:...</A>What if he had 50 originals!!!

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Marshall Merrell Reprints
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 21:24:01 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" <vrechek@ameritech.net>

If anyone else (in the world) is also looking for Marshall Merrell Milwaukee
Braves prints, there are finally 3 on ebay. Unfortunately they are definitely
reprints and not entirely advertised as such. Beware.
George Vrechek

=================

Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:59:42 EST
Subject: Re: three finger brown
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com

there is a drawing of mordecai brown's mangled pitching hand in one of the
sabr pubs from the mid 80's.   my son was asking about it and i'm trying to
track it down in my "library", which consists of about 2,000 books, of which
1,500 are packed away in boxes--oi!

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Over the river and through the woods...
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 20:52:51 -0800
From: "Geno Wagner" <illini90@earthlink.net>

OBCers --

I'm heading off to Tucson for Thansgiving tomorrow.  I thought it was about
six hours, but a quick look at mapquest and I just realized I'm in for a
9-hour debacle with three kids...Clark Griswold, move over!  I'm coming
back Saturday night for a touch-and-go and heading out to Alburquerque for
two weeks Sunday morning.  I may or may not check in Saturday night, so if
I don't you won't hear from me until Dec 16th or so.  Luckily I got my OBC
Santa package mailed off today, so I'm in good shape on that front.  I hope
you all have a great bird-day and I'll talk to you in a couple weeks...

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

=================

To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Pepitone?
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 22:23:54 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@harborside.com>

I was at lunch with the plant manager for my company today, and strangely the
subject turned to baseball...and cards !
Seems there was once a lady who worked for him (before I started working there)
named Pepitone, and yes...she was related to baseball star Joe Pepitone.
Norm casually mentioned to her that Joe was his favorite player during the 60's
and maybe she might be able to get an autograph for him.
Apparently, that never happened.( Maybe that's why she doesn't work for us anymore...hmmm...)
Sounds like it could be OBC to the rescue once again !!!
Does anyone out there have an autographed piece that that would like to trade?
Alternatively, I'd consider buying one from anyone with a trusted source...there's
nothing around here, and eBay may or may not provide a good solution.

It's almost more about the story than anything else. The provenance of the autograph
would be something that Norm would talk about forever. I did mention
that Joe had breakfast at the table acroos from me during one of my trips
to Cooperstown. He was close enough that I could hear him entertaining his
guest ( appeared to be a reporter) with some old stories. I never got his
autograph, and now I sure wish that I had...

Okay, and here's another request...I thought that I might be able to just pass
along an old baseball card of Joe, but I don't have one that doesn't gointo
a set...Another chance for an OBC hero. A card with Joe in Yankee uniform
would go along way with my pal Norm ( older the card the better...)

Thanks to the greatest group on Earth or any other planet !!

PS-I did bid on a Pepitone auto 8x10 on eBay just now...but ya never know if
I'll get it. I'd much rather trade for it if possible, or even buy it from
you or your local dealers.

=================

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 09:20:57 EST
Subject: Westchester
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

Checking my calendar and the Westchester card show popped up for this
Saturday - 11/30. I had been thinking it was the following weekend. Anyone
going on Saturday? I have some old cards that need homes.

=================

Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 14:51:40 EST
Subject: Ft Wahington attendees- HELP
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i would like to ask the assistance of any Ft Washington
attendees in helping me find ANY of these cards- i am still looking for any
cards from the set produced by Jack Wallin in 1978 called Grand Slam Set of
200 cards- it is listed on page 136 of the 2000 edition of the big SCD book-
checking shows and ebay i have not been able to locate a single card from
this 200 card set- i would appreciate if any OBCers looking at oddball cards
at shows try to find a single card from this set for me or if you ever see
any on ebay let me know- thanks, Linda

=================

To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: 1953 Topps #27 Campanella
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 19:26:04 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category642&item1972128376

Lots of low grade cards from this guy though you have to scroll through several
pages of listings.

=================

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:22:00 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Happy Thanksgiving!
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I'm sitting here in a peacefully quiet house (my wife & son are still
sleeping). My coffee at hand and the family dog at my side. I have many
things to be thankful for on this day. The community of OBC is certainly
one of those things. To all I have met and the others I hope to meet in
the future, HAPPY THANKSGIVING & A JOYOUS HOLIDAY SEASON!
now if only the Lions can stay within 8 points........

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: dbrand@sgi.net, jbar59@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, rubberneck10@attbi.com, Wpabowhntr@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: [Fwd: Fw: almost perfect]
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 13:31:54 +0000
From: "jeff sinclair" <suzguy11@hotmail.com>

>From: John McKibbin <jonmac3@attbi.com>
>To: Frank and Mary Adams <mary63a@aol.com>, 	gary jamis
><jammin2sellin@yahoo.com>, 	jeff sinclair <suzguy11@hotmail.com>, 	Kathy
>McKibbin <kathy1760@attbi.com>, 	Kevin and Chris Bever <home@stargate.net>
>Subject: [Fwd: Fw: almost perfect]
>Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 00:08:22 -0600

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=================

To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 10:57:35 -0500
Subject: bios
From: Bob Saxton <judgeguy@juno.com>

Can someone refresh my memory on a password to access the member bios? At
my age partzheimers kicks in at times and I forget where I left things
like that.

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=================

Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2002 22:39:50 EST
Subject: T212
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com

hey kids:

Got this in my inbox.  I immediately thought of this group as being able to
help.  Dunno why.....anyway, you can respond direct or through me.  Here

"I am a descendent of Cliff Daringer and am trying to get a photo of his 1909
T212 Card from when he played for SAC.  He was also on some in 1914 when he
played for KC in the federal league.  If you could help I would appreciate

Thank You

Michael Hanna
<A HREF="mailto:handymanhanna@earthlink.net">handymanhanna@earthlink.net</A>

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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: 55 avails
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2002 16:33:59 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" <familytoad@harborside.com>

Fellow OBcers,
I found a few 1955 Topps that could use a new home...since I forgot i had them,
and I am not collecting this set.

Here they are...just claim them...

32 McGhee
45 Sauer
59 Allie
101 Gray
126  Hall
129 Tappe

Let me know if you can use 'em

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To: "Ramblings" <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: What's next?
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 02:10:12 -0500
From: "Steve Rittenberg" <srittenberg66@earthlink.net>

I'm thinking about adding another tough set to my list:  T202 end panels, 41
Double Play (cut in half), 35 Goudey (cut in quarters).   There's a pattern
here, isn't there?  <grin>    I'm leaning towards the end panels.  Its the
only way for me to collect this set.   Right now on ebay there is a Cy Young
T202 card available.  The whole card is there, but you'd have to tape it
back together.   I already have a few of the T202 end panels and a couple
from the other sets.   Anyone have some extras?   Any thoughts about how stupid
these projects are?

Oh - also started a Golden Press set after Ken gave me half of it at his house
in November.  Unfortunately, I lost out on a low grade ebay lot that had
a Ruth, DiMaggio and Grove in it.  I'll send out a wantlist for that nexttime
I send one to the server.  If you want the list sooner than that, please

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 05:26:07 -0500 (EST)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com, VCT@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Gateway 700-S
From: keithsummers@webtv.net
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To: <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: availables
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 12:22:11 -0600
From: "David Kolenda" <dkolenda@surfnetinc.com>

If you are doing 61 topps stamps, or 61 golden press, send me your list as I
have found some of each.  Stamps are decent.  Golden press are fair to vg+.

David K

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Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 19:58:49 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC  XMas
From: "coop951" <coop951@optonline.net>

I've been a little behind with my rambling readings.  Are we doing
the OBC Christmas this year.  If we are please count me in
Happy Holidays to all
Jim Cooper

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 22:38:14 -0600
From: "terry ellis" <biglittledogs@msn.com>

hello everyone my name is kit okamuro and i am new member. looking forward
to trading with you

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Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 01:35:42 EST
Subject: Thanksgiving Toys
To: JGreco@us.imshealth.com, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com

Hi gang,
This message is being brought to you courtesy of AT+T Broadband high speed
internet. Now I can send my customary 3 MB notes out a lot faster ;-) This
all came about as the result of my drive home from the weekly game of pickup
basketball last Wed. night. Over the radio, I heard an ad for high speed
internet with free installation, a free cable modem, plus the first month
free. How can you beat a deal like that? I called up the cable company to
make sure I wasn't hearing things and was assured that the deal was legit,
although it was to expire either that day or the next one (timing is
everything). I set up a service visit for the following Tuesday for sometime
between 11 and 1. At exactly noon, the service tech rang the bell. I showed
him the cable jack where I was going to hook up the computer. He did
something out on the pole for a couple minutes, then returned inside with my
modem, plugged it into the wall and put another plug into the modem to power
it up. He had to run out to the truck to get me the CD to install it into my
system and made a phone call to report the modem installation back to AT+T.
He was done in less than 15 minutes. I'm glad there isn't going to be a $90
installation fee attached to that! Now all I had to do was hook up the
ethernet cable to my computer and surf away. One problem... my computer
didn't have the ethernet jack on it like I thought it did. (C'mon, it's from
1995 and everything!)
So off I go to Radio Shack, Best Buy, Staples, Circuit City, and possibly
a couple other places looking for some kind of cable or port or converter
thingie (being the technical guru that I am). I found out that not only do
most of these places not carry what I'm looking for, but they don't have any
Mac compatible anything for sale. A helpful clerk at Circuit City directed me
to an Apple outlet at a mall just a short half hour drive away and I
proceeded hastily to a place where I could mention the word Macintosh and not
get a funny look like I was speaking Martian. I ask if there's anything I can
get that will let me hook up my prehistoric glorified adding machine to my
new cable hookup. I got a look like I was speaking Martian (then probably a
few muffled snickers that I didn't notice.) Long story short (as if that's
gonna happen now), I was forced to buy a new computer. I was going to have to
purchase one eventually, since the machine I had used a whopping 80 MHz
processor. I figured hooking it up to the cable connection was akin to
pouring Niagara Falls into a funnel. Since I was in the Mac store, I decided
that getting a new Mac compatible laptop would be ideal, since I could
transfer all my old AOL files etc. over to the new computer. Plus if I got a
laptop, I could take the whole machine with me when I traveled instead of
transferring it over to my even slower Powerbook. So for about the cost of a
low grade 52 Mantle, I'm now the proud owner of a brand new iBook. Now I'm in
the market for a SCSI/USB converter cable so I can transfer all my old files
over to the new laptop. Using my vast computer knowledge, I will probably
spend several hundred dollars on useless cables before I find something that
To offset the cost of the cable hookup, I will soon eliminate my second
phone line. I have also changed my AOL plan to BYOA, saving a couple more
bucks from the regular unlimited monthly rate. So anyone in town (or out of
town) that wishes to give me a ring, must now do so at my original phone
number: 617-389-3683. I will probably also start using AIM a lot more, but
since the cable connection is always on, I might appear to be online when I'm
actually sound asleep. (Not much different from what it was previously now
that I think of it.) I'll try to leave an away message now that I have a
version of AOL that supports it. Now I just have to get used to typing on the
smaller keyboard and using the trackpad instead of a mouse. This is even more
difficult when I have the laptop set up on the same desk as the old computer.
(I just moved the keyboard out of the way, but the mouse is still there in
case I want to start up the old machine and get into all my files.) Well, I'm
going to play with my new toy, since I'm still not sure of all the things I
can do with it yet. I can play DVD's on it (if I had any) or music CD's
supposedly. Maybe I'll just surf around eBay and look for cards I can't buy
because I bought this machine. Oh well, TAYL,

Ken M