================= Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 11:32:19 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very OBC friendly dealer From: WMDpks@aol.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fort Washington Update Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 14:08:32 -0400 From: "Robert Reed" Left the house Saturday morning in route to Manhattan to pick up Dave Hornish. Arrived about ½ hour late due to some questionable directions from Yahoo. I wonder if they've hired Saint Al? Anyway Dave was nice enough to provide the lodging while I provided the transportation. Having somebody else to talk to makes the drive a whole lot quicker. We talked about family, baseball, cards and other stuff. He also bought me a card at the end of the show after I had run out of money, a 1954 Johnston Cookies card of Ben Johnson. Ben’s daughter Cindy sang at my wedding and is married to my cousin. Got to the show about 11:00 and ran into Steve Rittenberg who handed over an envelope. Inside were all kind of goodies like some “traded” Dean Chances and 20+ hits to the Kellogg sets including 6 of the last 8 1971 cards I needed. (Anyone have an extra 16[Willie Davis] or 37[Sam McDowell]?) Also inside was ten football cards including a ‘71 O.J., and ’70 Namath, and the final card from 1976, the AFC Championship Game. Then later during the show he buys me the last 1974 I needed (Roger Staubach) and the last three from 1977. Since Steve knocked off three football sets I decided to start a new one so 1960 is now on the want list. During the lunch time swap session I got to meet Bob Corvello, Richard Kimball (and Mrs. Kimball) and Mac Wubben, for the first time. Steve, Dave, Ken Morganti, and Andy Cook were also there. Howard Morgan didn’t make his appearance until just before the show closed Richard got the new 1960 football set started with 3 hits, Andy Cook finally found someone to take his Wonder Bread football cards off his hands so those sets have been added as well, and Ken added some baseball hits with a couple of Kelloggs, a Curt Simmons from 1956, and a cool looking OBC hat. I also picked up some great deals from my favorite dealer scum. Steve sets me up with a high number 53, two high number 62’s, a 55 Eddie Matthews, Yogi and Brooks from 1958 along with numerous freebies. Being between jobs I didn’t have a lot of money to spend but just meeting up with other OBCer’s makes the trip worth it. My best purchase was a ’58 Williams All Star and a ’55 Kaline for twenty bucks. I’d like to thank everybody who gave me cards and especially roomie Dave for putting me up for the night. I hope to find a job soon so I can start saving up for Atlantic City next year. Does anybody know the dates of the 2003 National? For making it all the way to the end you now have a chance of a couple of Tipton 64 high numbers I picked up. Numbers 559 (Dick Phillips) and 583 (Tito Francona) are available FCFS. MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBCJOE? Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:18:04 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Is one of our guys OBCJOE who just won the 1954 Bowman Williams on ebay? Congratulations if so. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:11:48 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: WS prediction From: Never being one to shut up when I know nothing, my picks are Yankees and Cards with the powerful Yanks winning another WS. ok, put up or shut up unless you are like me and don't no no betta! (Canajun for Dumb) Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:17:30 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Ok, My picks are the Giants and A's (gotta be a homer here) with the A's winning the WS! ================= Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 01:58:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Very OBC friendly dealer From: "rayluurs" ok I now i am dumb when coming tocomputer things. But how the heck do you access John Morrisson webpage off ebay (if he has one)to look at the deal he might have since it is highly unlikely i will make it out east in near future ================= Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 19:10:18 -0700 To: TPLY@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction From: Before your prediction will happen, there will be a 9.0 earthquake in the Bay Area. Remeber what happened last time, homie! On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:17:30 EDT TPLY@aol.com wrote: Ok, My picks are the Giants and A's (gotta be a homer here) with the A's winning the WS! ================= To: "OBC Thanks" , Subject: Back from Arizona - Lots of goodies! Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 11:10:50 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Hi folks! This is a combination "Thanks" and "Ramble" post. Maureen and I returned home last night after our 2 week excursion to sunny Arizona. The highlight of the vacation was, of course, seeing my Dad and spending a lot of time with him - for the first time in over 2 years. He's really not in the best of health (heart, balance, and back problems), and our get together seemed to give him a much needed boost. He's a tough old coot, and hopefully he'll keep kicking for a little while yet. We'll be hoping to tack on a trip down to see him again should we make it out to Vegas '03. As far as cardboard collectibles are concerned, it was a particularly good fortnight. If you remember, Steve Rittenberg had agreed to be my designated shopper at this year's National and had also been kind enough to take delivery of a few Ebay items for me, and had sent a whole bunch of stuff to my Dad's place ahead of me. Included in this haul was: 3 x 1952 Tigers 3 x '53B B&W Tigers A 1953T Gerry Priddy (from my Top 10 list) A 1969 Baseball Centennial coin of Willie Horton 4 x 1969T Deckles (Rose, Mays, Gibson & Foy) - SET COMPLETED! A 1968 Topps Game Pete Rose - SET COMPLETED! A '49B George Vico (Det) 4 x 1964T Coins (Cash, Freehan, Aguirre, Bunning) 3 x 1952B Tigers 10 x 1960 hi#s A '61T Gibson A '62T WSG1 A '64T Bob Uecker An unidentified Frank Lary oddball 11 x 1968Ts incl Aaron, Bench RC, Banks, Maz, Lolich, "Managers Dream" Clemente, Brock, Bird Belters, and Palmer 8 x 1970T incl Munson, Mays, Banks, and other hi#s. Tigers scorebooks from 1962, 1968, and 1969 A 1966 Tigers Yearbook A BUNCH of 1964T Giants (there had also been a lot of these sent from an Ebay dealer straight to my Dad's, so I'm off to a damn fine start on this Fellow Tigers fan Mike Rich had also taken the time to send me a "Welcome Back to the States" package which included: A 1953T Gerry Priddy (I've got a pair of these now!) A '51B Bob Cain A '52B Ted Gray A '61F Tommy Bridges A '67 Bird Bombers (Boog & Blef) 3 x 1968s (F Robby, Banks, & Lolich) A '77T Brock 3 1976Ts - Guidry, Brock, Reggie - SET COMPLETED! 23 assorted 80s/90s Fleer, Topps & Donruss cards and oddballs A pair of 1971T coins An auto'd 5x7 of Jim Northrup 7 x 1964T Giants A '71T Super Al Kaline (another Top 10 card off the list!) 8 autographed Tigers cards including Hiller(2), Matchick, Stanley, Horton, Price, Rozema, and Garbey!! Amazing stuff!!! Thanks so much to both of you for adding so much to my holiday experience. It was just like Christmas had come early! On Friday evening, we went along to the DBacks/Rockies game. We had been hoping to see Randy Johnson pitching and, perhaps, the Dbacks clinch the NL West but alas thanks to their crappy play in the week leading up to this game, we saw neither. Still, it was great to get along to a major league game again! On Saturday, we took the time to call in on a local card show, where I was surprised to find that among the very few tables that were there 2 of them had older stuff in OBC condition...and price range! My haul here 4 x '33 Goudeys (Total cost $7) 3 x '61F (Newhouser, Cochrane, Jennings - all absolute mint condition) 4 x '60-'63 Post/Jell-O Tigers Autographed 1965Ts of Harvey Kuenn and Bill Freehan A 1960 Aparicio AS 15 x 1964Ts 28 x 1965Ts A 1966 Aaron ($3) A 1966 Koufax ($2.50) 9 other 1966Ts A '68 Kaline ($2) A '70 F Robinson ($2) A '69 Aaron ($3) A '72 Gil Hodges 5 'x 75Ts incl Garvey, Seaver, Ryan HL, Fisk, and Fingers (ranging from $1 to $3) 11 assorted Detroit Lions cards from the 60's/70s About 60 Tigers "unmentionables" A few of those cards I already had, but since the prices were so good, I knew someone could use 'em! I'll be checking a few wantlists for needy souls later this week. Finally, as a follow-up to my post of a few weeks back, I called the journalist who had contacted me asking for some help in researching his book about the '51 Giants/Bobby Thomson/Ralph Branca. It turns out that he's the same guy who "broke" the news last year about the Giants stealing signs. We had a great talk, and he's already used much of what I had sent him to help to illustrate the sort of background that Thomson had come from. The book will most likely be published prior to the 2004 season. So, all in all, a terrific 2 weeks of sun, family, good food, and cardboard. Roll on Vegas '03!!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:40:03 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCJOE? To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jceru8600@aol.com Yes, George that would be me. With the Mantle and Mays also in my folder and btw in similar shape , the 54B set should fall in the near future. Getting that card for around 7-8% book wasn't a bad deal and if the picture matches the actual condition not a bad looking Poor. take care, Joe Cerullo ================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Quite a vacatation... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Here's a recipe for potential disaster: Spend a weekend hanging out with the guys you grew up with, in your home town, and without wives. One of my childhood buddies is getting married this weekend. I'm the best man, and will be heading to upstate NY (Watertown) later today. My wife has agreed to stay in Florida while I make the trip, and doesn't seem the least bit worried that I'll be: a) hanging out with the guys (and we only need about 15 minutes to start thinkung we're still 16 years b) able to look up several old girlfriends and see how they've been. If that isn't a great deal of trust, I can't tell you what is. Anyway, I'll be around the computer for a couple of hours. after that, I'll be silent for a week (I'll be back in Florida next Wednesday). Any packages found in my mailbox when I return will be acknowledged after Take care, Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Feeding frenzy!!!! Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:05:02 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Thanks to a combination of Mr Rittenberg's shopping skills, Mike Rich's great package, recent Ebay purchases, and a visit to a card show in Arizona, I've found myself to be in possession of a few duplicates. I'm pleased to put the following cardboard on waivers: 1933G #191 Ben Chapman 1952B #199 1953T #113 1962T #51 (AL Batting), #58 (NL Pitching) 1963 Post #55 (Lary) 1964T #26,42,108,171,174,196,229,302 1964T Giants #2,4,6,8,14,16,20,27,32,33,34,35,36,40,53,57,58 1965T #523 1968T #355(Banks), #414(Lolich), #520(Brock) 1969T #100 (Aaron) 1970T #672, 715 1972T #465 (Hodges - rough), #719 1975 #140 (Garvey - some paper loss across "DODGERS") I'm itchin' to send these out, so have at them, my friends! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 12:27:45 -0500 To: 0ramblings Subject: CoolPix 10/2 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Stan "The Man" Musial statue at Busch Stadium THE LINK --> http://home.onemain.com/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:47:23 EDT Subject: eBay Sellers To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: toppsrun368@aol.com While I was browsing eBay this afternoon, I came upon two sellers with a wide variety of cards and condition. If anyone is interested in what they have to offer, I have included the links. eBay Seller List: dcsportscards--900 auctions including lower grade lots, high numbers from 1952,1961, and many other years, tons of stars and commons from 1950-1969. eBay Seller List: hclinker@hotmail.com--145 auctions with mainly 1953 Bowman and 1954 Topps, breaking up sets/lots of each set and has stars, commons, and high numbers. Hope someone can use these, ================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:45:12 EDT Subject: calling all direct tv owners! To: Smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com can any direct tv owner tell me what channel abc family is on? ================= Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:48:31 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Al, You got it half right...A's and Cards...Cards taking the whole thing, just because they deserve it. Damn Yankees are killing me! ========Original Message======== Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Date: 10/1/2002 9:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: alcattle@earthlink.net Sender: alcattle@earthlink.net Reply-to: alcattle@earthlink.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) Never being one to shut up when I know nothing, my picks are Yankees and Cards with the powerful Yanks winning another WS. ok, put up or shut up unless you are like me and don't no no betta! (Canajun for Dumb) Big Al in Seattle To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------- Headers -------------------------------- Received: from rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (rly-xg03.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.200]) by air-xg04.mail.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXG42-1001211249; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:12:49 -0400 Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com (n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com [66.218.66.70]) by rly-xg03.mx.aol.com (v89.10) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXG35-1001211237; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 21:12:37 2000 Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2002 01:11:50 -0000 X-Sender: alcattle@earthlink.net X-Apparently-To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 01:11:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 92590 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net) (207.217.120.62) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 01:11:49 -0000 Received: from bigbird.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.244] by snipe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17wY3J-0002cY-00 for OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:11:49 -0700 Received: (from nobody@localhost) by bigbird.psp.pas.earthlink.net (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) id g921BmN21346 for OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:11:48 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings Sender: alcattle@earthlink.net Message-ID: From: X-Originating-IP: 12.13.226.18 X-Yahoo-Profile: alcattle MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; contact Delivered-To: mailing list OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2002 18:11:48 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Reply-To: alcattle@earthlink.net ================= Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 22:54:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: This that and the other thing From: "mikesportsfan" A few things to ramble about. I am probably one of the less active Ebay bidders in the group. My rating is only around 50. I have won a few items lately that OBC has not been able to provide lots of help with, with a few ntable exceptions, Coke Caps and Slurpee BB Cups. Tough but fun items to find. OBC has some grat characteristics. Obviously our support of each other during tough times (Rick Redpath is only 1 example) ranks up there as our most significant characteristic. A more humerous one is that if someone's list is to hard to hit, we "make" them start more sets. I know Brock has branched off into inserts, Post and other sets since joining OBC. Erik Greenwood has caused me to start 1977 Twinkies, by sending me 1/2 a set to start. This was 1 of the feew 1948-80 national sets, that I had never started. I have a complete set of the 1977 Hostess panels, which would be similar cards. This does not normally stop me. I am working on replacing my 1975 Topps regular issue, have the 1975 Topps mini set and am very close on the 1975 OPC BB. All 3 sets are essentially the same. Moral of the story, are wantlists never get smaller, they just change. We occassionally make jokes about snail mail, especially sending or receiving from Canada. Wellon June 3, I mailed a SCP to Lynn Miller of a 1970 Milton Bradley Hammer. Lynn and I had E-mailed about it a few times, and I had even called Lynn in the Phillipines. We knew that I had sent it to his old address, not his new address for regular envelopes. I had done this with another envelope as well, but Lynn got that one (fortunately). Well Lynn has never received the envelope. On Monday, I received the envelope (with side slit open) back saying that the addressee had moved. It took from June 3 to September 30, but I got it back. Now even though the envelope was slit, my letter and believe it or not the Aaron were still inside. I actually called Lynn on the phone again to tell him. I am thankful rates have come down that for a couple of $ I can chat with a great guy. I have the correct address and will be able to send it to the correct address this time. We will see how long it takes. I hope others in the group appreciate the leads to dealers or other traders that are periodically posted on the group servers. I have had some unbelievable packages from OBC, which I teasure, but have also had some excellent success in trading outside the group this year. I swapped some old FB and the last of my 1951 Topps Ringside dupes to Alex Phillips from Canada (alexphillips@sympatico.ca) and received back some marvelous hockey, including 3 prewar, 1 of which was an Ice King plus a 1965 OPC BB Joe Morgan RC. Great guy to trade Other recent traders, include Vaughan Kastor (OCT or VCT?), John Fulgaro, who has published a book on sports logos and has one of the best collections of logos and stickers I have ever heard of. When trading with non-OBCers, I always refer them to our website and urge them to check us out. I feel like I am an OBC evangelist (LOL). Went to a couple of sporting events last week. Red Wings exhibition game Friday nite. Got there 7 minutes into the game and we were already ahead 3-0. Won the game 8-2 agaisnt the Dallas Stars. On Sunday went to the Lions game and saw the Lions upset the Saints. Anyone betting on the Lions to win had to have made a fortune. Never really thought we would win until the final few seconds. First win for the Lions at Ford Field and I saw it. I hope it is not their final win. Tigers fire Luis Pujols (who?) their manager. How can an interim manager, hired after the season started, lose 100 games. Granted he was hired only 6 games into the season, but still. The Tigers, the winningest franchise of the 1980s, is a laughinstock. Have not had a winning season in about a decade. We were a great BB town. Now nobody cares. I actually went to a game a few weeks ago and left after 5 innings due to boredom. We had already gotten our hit by then, so the possibility of a no-hitter against us was gone. If anyone had told me I would leave a game invloving the Tigers early due to boredom even a year ago, I would have thought they were nuts. Just not as much as a fan asa I used to be. Thanks for reading. Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 11:59:24 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction To: ChicoD1@aol.com, alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com A's beat the twinkies angels take the Yanks but get creamed by the A's... Cards win over some team (darn diamondbacks) Giants take the Braves (barely) but get hurt by the Cards A's over Cards in 5. Does this count as a freeway series still (K.C. A's, St. Louis Cards?) ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:26:23 -0600 From: "Todd Knowles" My prediction: Anyone but the Yankees vs. Anyone but the Braves. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction > Al, You got it half right...A's and Cards...Cards taking the whole > just because they deserve it. Damn Yankees are killing me! > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction > Date: 10/1/2002 9:12:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time > From: alcattle@earthlink.net > Sender: alcattle@earthlink.net > Reply-to: alcattle@earthlink.net > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) > Never being one to shut up when I know nothing, my picks are Yankees and Cards > with the powerful Yanks winning another WS. ok, put up or shut up unless you > are like me and don't no no betta! > (Canajun for Dumb) > Big Al in Seattle > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> > Home Selling? Try Us! > http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/QBiolB/TM > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: A few more availables..... Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 18:49:45 +0100 From: "Glenn Codere" Guys & Gals, Yesterday's Waiver Wire resulted in cards ready to go out to the following OBCers: Fugitive, Mandell, Thomas, Gioia, EEK, Friar, Trader Doug, Dwyer, Gersh, Knowles. You won't all get everything you asked for, but hey, who ever does? Here's a few more cards to choose from (I originally gave the Tigers contingent first dibs on these): 1949B #122 George Vico (rough) 1952T #246 George Kell (rough - looks like someone has run over it with a paint roller) 1961F #15 Mickey Cochrane 1967T #30 Al Kaline 1968T #240 Al Kaline 1969T Deckle #8 (McLain), #9 (Freehan) 1971/72T Hockey #37 (Delvecchio), #91 (Berenson) ...and an additional item, a 1966 Detroit Tigers Yearbook. (Note to Paul Biggs: The '69 Yearbook is on it's way this week) Still available from yesterday wire: 1964T Giants #2,4,6,8,14,16,20,27,32,33,34,35,36,40,53,57,58 (Nice starter set here for somebody!) 1975 #140 (Garvey - some paper loss across "DODGERS") Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:08:57 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction From: Neal Thomas Can I get an "amen" for the Red Sox Nation chior!!! Great call, Todd! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Date: 10/02/2002 07:26pm My prediction: Anyone but the Yankees vs. Anyone but the Braves. ================= To: Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 14:10:04 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" -----Original Message----- From: Neal Thomas [mailto:nthomas@pol.net] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Can I get an "amen" for the Red Sox Nation chior!!! Great call, Todd! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Todd Knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction Date: 10/02/2002 07:26pm My prediction: Anyone but the Yankees vs. Anyone but the Braves. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:52:55 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: reprints From: Jerry Coker Do we have a resident expert on reprints? :) I've noticed some 50, 51, 52, 53, and 54 Bowman reprints on eBay recently. I didn't know those issues were ever re-printed by a major manufacturer, but then I never relly looked. I can't find anything about who is manufacturing such reprints, except possibly Kit Young. Also saw Play Pall, Goudey, and other re-prints listed on Kit Young's site. So is he re-printing everything for the masses? :) This all came about when I decided to possibly purchase a 1983 52 Topps Archive set and a 1991 53 Topps Archive set. Never thought I'd do it, Anyway...if anyone is currently collecting or *has* any of the reprints, and/or, if anyone knows anything about the Bowman, Play Ball, and Goudey reprints, I'd appreciate any feedback re: quality, who you purchased from, etc. Thanks! Jerry Coker Campus Information Technology Partnerships The University of Georgia ================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:00:10 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: reprints...oops From: Jerry Coker Ooop..forgot to ask if anyone knows where to look up the value of the Bowman, Play Ball, and Goudey reprint sets. I can't find them in my 1999 SCD or Buckett. Thanks. Jerry Coker Campus Information Technology Partnerships The University of Georgia ================= Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 16:54:10 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Bay Area Visit From: I will be in the Bay area for a couple days on Vacation and would like to see any OBC'er in the area. Even Rick, even with a bad attitude after both his teams are out of the playoffs. Email if you are going to be around what ever weekend is close to Oct 18 Big Al in Seattle ================= Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 20:55:35 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bay Area Visit To: alcattle@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Al - I will be around unless I am on assignment overseas or in DC and hopefully wearing A's or Giants colors! ================= Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 11:08:13 EDT Subject: Something to offend near everyone! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com > >__________________________________________________________ > (1) What does the average Texas A&M player get on his SATs? > ..........Drool. > (2) What do you get when you put 32 Arkansas cheerleaders in one > room?..........A full set of teeth. > (3) How do you get a Nebraska cheerleader into your dorm room? > ..........Grease her hips and push. > (4) How do you get a Colorado graduate off your porch? > ..........Pay him for the pizza. > (5) Why do the Texas Tech cheerleaders wear bibs? > ..........To keep the tobacco juice off their uniforms. > (6) Why is the Baylor football team like a possum? > ..........Because they play dead at home and get killed on the > road. > (7) What are the longest three years of an Oklahoma football player's > life? > ..........His freshman year. > (8) How many Ole Miss freshmen does it take to change a light bulb? > ........None....That's a sophomore course. > (9) Where was O. .J. headed in the white Bronco? > ..........Lexington, Kentucky. He knew that the police would > never > look there for a Heisman Trophy winner. > AND FINALLY (drum roll and cymbal crash.....) > (10) Why did Texas choose orange as their team color? > ..........You can wear it for the game on Saturday, hunting on > Sunday and picking up trash along the highways the rest of the > week. ================= Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:07:22 EDT Subject: 1978 color variations To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'm still trying to document the 1978 color variations - they are the seams on the baseballs in the top corners that give the positions. Does anyone have any of these? #374 Morales - with pink seams #520 Hisle - with pink seams or black seams #536 Harrison - with pink seams ================= Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 23:38:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Question From: "mikesportsfan" Are we about due for dues again? I think more than raising money for our site, it allows us to find out if anyone is no longer interested in being in the group. I E-mailed Sam Saleta and it bounnced back as a wrong E-mail. Sam last updated his OBC page last year. Anyone know what is going on? We have others we no longer hear from as well. I am not suggesting we all need to be constantly active. OCT has a rule about trading on a regular basis. I was in their group and thrown out for not being active enough (translation not being recognized for sending out enough packages). In OBC I think I send out at least an average number if not an above average number of packages. I am more concerned to what happened to the guys. As many know I have had some health issues, but they pale in comparison to someone like Rick Redpath or even the scare St. Al gave us last year. So it is quite possible something happened to Sam Saleta and others in the group. Mike Rich ================= To: amcook93@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 color variations Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 01:36:20 -0400 From: "Mac Wubben" Andy and I were discussing possible variations on the 78 set on the way home from fort washington. Since Andy seems to want a thorough examination, here's what I have: #374 Jose Morales...(the card that started it all). I have this card in 4 fairly distinct versions...black, pink, continuous black over pink, and partial black over pink. The other two are seamless and black seamed just like andy found. I'd be interested to hear other reports...especially on mr. morales. >From: amcook93@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 color variations >Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:07:22 EDT >I'm still trying to document the 1978 color variations - they are the seams >on the baseballs in the top corners that give the positions. Does anyone >any of these? >#374 Morales - with pink seams >#520 Hisle - with pink seams or black seams >#536 Harrison - with pink seams Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:30:30 EDT Subject: PBC WHITE PLAINS SHOW To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com HI ALL IF ANYBODY IS GOING TO THE SHOW TODAY AT WHITE PLAINS I WILL BE THERE ALSO>>>I WILL BE WEARINF A NY ISLANDERS JERSEY SO IT WILL BE EASY TO SPOT ME...SO IF N-E-1 GOES I HOPE TO SEE YA THERE ================= Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 08:53:28 EDT Subject: CORRECTION OBC not PBC To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Celenox@aol.com just fixing the title ================= Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:03:52 EDT Subject: Dues To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com 
Thanks Mike for the reminder that dues are due December 1.  We'll get the
notice out at least 30 days in advance. - Doug

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Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 16:55:24 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Variation info wanted
From: "mikesportsfan" 

FOr those that have already read the thanks post, I am working on the
1971 Kellogg's BB set variations.  The set contains numerous
variations in stats, logo's, etc.  It also has a difference in teh
copyright.  The copyright comes with or without 1970 in it  I had
thought possibly that the stat variations might follow teh same
trait.  That is that all of the "A" stat variations would be on the
copyright with 1970 and all of the "B" variations would be on
copyright without 1970.  Unfortunately, I have at least a few
variations where they both came with 1970 in the copyright.

The question therefore, becomes, did all of the known variations come
with and without the 1970 in the copyright?  There are at least 25
known variations, besides the copyright variations.  This means there
might be over 200 possible cards to complete the set.  I believe I
now have 102, so am barely 1/2 way there.  If anyone knows more about
the possible variations I would appreciate learning about them.  If
anyone has any extras in the set, I would appreciate acquiring them,
especially without the 1970 in the copyright.

A similar quest is being started on the 1962 Salada coins.  The low
number (1-180) backs come in 180 or 200 versions.  I am no where
close to completing the set either way (need almost 80), but will be
going after both versions.  That set also had variations (teams,
positions, etc.)  DOes anyone know if these came with both backs?
Mike Rich
26020 Radclift Pl
Oak Park, MI 48237

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 13:08:43 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: WS prediction
From: Jerry Coker 

> Originally From: "Todd Knowles" 
> My prediction:
> Anyone but the Yankees  vs. Anyone but the Braves.

Angels and Braves.  What a game last night...Angels 9 Yankees 6!  That's
the first time I've seen the Angels all year.  The best sign I saw all
night was "half the payroll, twice the heart".  Love it!  That about
summed up the game I watched :)  I like the type of baseball the Angels
play.  Just don't know enough about their pitching.  BTW...I've decided
this year to use a new method for watching all the playoffs and World
Series games.  Turn the TV on, but turn the sound off.  It is a great way
to relax and watch the game.  No biases from all the half-brained
announcers.  Also don't have to hear all the commercials and other
garbage.  You really get a chance to analyse the game yourself and see it
from a watching only prespective, which increases your senses as to what
is really transpiring in the game. One of the first things I noticed
was that when the camera scans to all the different players, managers,
etc., I was able to feel the emotions of the game more stronly than if
the sound was on.  Usually when the camera scans players and the sound is
on, all you hear are negative comments from the the pin-headed announcers
who are tying to over analyse the game based on headlines they read the
night before.  The best analyses using my new method is the game between
pitcher/catcher/batter. *You* predict the pitch, and *you* predict if the
batter might be swinging/taking.  That's the heart of the game!  Beats the
heck out of listening to all the dribble coming out of the announcers
mouths.  Pure baseball at its best.  I love October!  So why don't you
become the announcer/analyser/expert...because chances are...you could do
it twice as well as most of the bone-heads announcing the games right
now :)  Just try it for one game!

PS...thanks for all the replies re: reprints!

Jerry Coker
Campus Information Technology Partnerships
The University of Georgia

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 14:04:50 EDT
Subject: Vacation time for the Hattoxes
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: brockhattox@cs.com

CD and I are leaving Monday evening for a two week trip to Ireland.   (The
alarm will be on so my cards will be safe from any of you who are thinking
criminal thoughts.).
I will not try to stay in touch with email and will switch off emails from
the Yahoo group server.   I thought I would notify you a couple of days in
advance if you need to communicate with me before I leave.   We will be back
in time for the Braves victory in the WS.
Take care,

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 15:13:14 EDT
Subject: WHITE PLAINS SHOW
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

Well, I went to the White PLains show today, with my son and had a great day.
I took my son Robbie to his first card show, and got was it great. I rember
when i was 7 my dad took me to my first show, and now i was doing it with my
son How perfect was it? My sonn loved it he wa slooking at everything and was
great and didnt ask for anything until we stopped to buy. I went to go just
to fill my trader box, , but as usual i found 2 cards i couldnt pass up on. I
picked up a 63topps Snider for $7.00, and a 1933 Goudey Dizzy Dean card which
was trimmed for $20.00 2 good buys i think.
Now To one of the dealers there. Jimmy Cordascia who was there at the
last White PLains show and took care of all the OBCers, was there today, and
i picked aton of traders and he knocked off $15.00 from my bill. Then he
asked me if my son was collecting yet, and i told him i am trying to get him
started, and he handed my son a Shoe Box with over 2000 cards (all post 1990)
but filled with stars for nothing. My son loved it and said to me can we
finsih these sets ? I guess we have a new collector and a future OBCer. My
son also picked out a couple great cards from Jimmys Box. He picked out a 55
Johnny Pordres card ( his first Brooklyn Dodger Card) DAm though I wanted the
card, but he found it first, and he loved it. He also picked out a 58 topps
Nellie Fox A/S card and picked up a few Tipton 51 bowmans. Kids got good
taste already.
I only spent a couple hours there but it was great. Spending time with
my son at a show was just perfect.

=================

To: 
Subject: Playoff Time
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:12:25 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Laid up for the last week with the worst flu I can remember....managed just
now to brave the frontier and grab a 6-pack and some dogs....we don't get
Ball Park franks here (that plump when you cook 'em) so settling for second
best is okay. I suspect this flu will have me on the couch at around one
o'clock, just as the Angels prepare to drive the proverbial stake right into
what little heart the Yankees have. Hope they are made to walk home once
they have been soundly thrashed. Enjoy the golf course Yanks!

On another note, I have been slow getting the monthly Directory out, mostly
because my eyes water like crazy when I try to look at the screen. So, there
will be a short delay....also working on a new format....thanks to the guys
who have sent me their ideas.

Do it today, Halo's, do it for Gene and Champion!

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:13:19 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WHITE PLAINS SHOW
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

After chatting to a few OBCers, and telling them about my First 33
Goudey, I Guess i will attempt to put together that set. If any of you
guys/Gals have any dupes for trade Please let me know. I think I will Try to
work on that set with my son Robbie who came to the show with me I think it
will be a fun and cool way to get him into Pre wars.
Thanx all
Be safe
9/11/01 NEVER FORGET

=================

To: 
Subject: Re: 1978 variations
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:06:27 -0500
From: "George Vrechek" 

To Andy Cook et al
I have the Morales with red stitching and with black overprinted on the red
stitching. Hisle is found with no stitching. Gilkeson listed a red stitching
and a black overprint Hisle but it was never verified per Gilkeson. Didn't
know about Harrison. Are there 2 versions you've seen?
George Vrechek

=================

Date: Sat, 05 Oct 2002 17:09:19 -0700
To: Jerry Coker 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
From: 

To All you Yankee haters, you're welcome. I rooted for the M's They lost. I
rooted for the Yankees and they lost. The team scores over 6 runs a game and
lose 3 of 4. To the music of the old 60's hit, they are singing "where has all
the pitching gone, some left flying"
Big Al in Seattle

=================

Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 00:12:03 GMT
To: grains@dccnet.com
Subject: Re:[OBC-Ramblings] Playoff Time
From: Peter 

Yipee!!  Go Angels - go go GO!!!!!

I wish that Autry could be here to see this team.. Maybe he is watching.

What an exciting team!!

marcpeter (AKA Peter)

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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:15:12 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
To: alcattle@earthlink.net, jcoker@arches.uga.edu
From: friar4@aol.com

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Yankees lose!
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! Yankees lose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Linda.

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Hey Al,
Keep us posted on who you root for the rest of the way. That way we can
bet on the opposing team.
BTW we don't really hate the Yankees...... we despise them!!

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:34:33 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
To: alcattle@earthlink.net, jcoker@arches.uga.edu
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

It's ok Al, the Mets already had the Tee times set up for the Yankees for
Sunday morning !  Gotta love the way the Angels play this game!

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To All you Yankee haters, you're welcome. I rooted for the M's They lost. I
rooted for the Yankees and they lost. The team scores over 6 runs a game and
lose 3 of 4. To the music of the old 60's hit, they are singing "where has all
the pitching gone, some left flying"
Big Al in Seattle

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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:37:24 EDT
Subject: Availables - A little bit of everything, sorry if you get this twice
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com
From: jceru8600@aol.com

Hi Fellow OBCers

FCFS, but priority to folks I have yet to send a pkg. to upon my return.
Some really weird stuff this go-around, have at-em.  Sorry if you get this
twice, but trying to get to the widest audience possible

1) In celebration of the angels victory - A Los Angeles Angels stamp circa
not sure, 196?.

2) For the variation nuts out there, 1975 Topps Blank backs (3), (yes these
do exist but not much is said about them), Don Money, Brewers, Burt Hooton,
Cubs, and Enzo Hernandez, Padres.

3)  1964 Topps Giants - Joe Torre, #26

4)  1969 Deckle - Jim Fregosi, #5 (Been trying to get rid of this card for
over a month, please somebody find it a home)

5)  1975 SSPC Thurman Munson #433

6)  1975 TCMA All-Time New York Yankee Team, Ruffing, Lazzeri, Murphy,
Dickey, and Rolfe

7)  1973 Topps Football Team Checklists - Chiefs, Redskins, Rams, Raiders,
Bears, Packers, Giants, Jets, Saints

8)  1974 Topps Football, 15 cards

9)  1978 Fleer FB, 3 diff and 2 diff card lots (set is 68 cards)

10) 1980 Fleer FB, lot#1- 41 diff cards, lot#2 28 diff cards, lot #3 11 diff
cards, lot #4 5 diff cards (set is 70 cards)

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To: , "Jerry Coker" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 19:41:36 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

Thanks Al! Thanks, Thanks, Thanks!

Greg (yaz)

p.s. Sorry about your Mariners but someone had to step aside to let the
Angels in there to slap the Yankees around.
----- Original Message -----
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To: "Jerry Coker" 
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction

> To All you Yankee haters, you're welcome. I rooted for the M's They lost.
> rooted for the Yankees and they lost. The team scores over 6 runs a game
> lose 3 of 4. To the music of the old 60's hit, they are singing "where has
> the pitching gone, some left flying"
> Big Al in Seattle
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:45:12 EDT
Subject: OBC WAIVER WIRE
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

HEY ALL,
anybody need this card?
1982 Kellogs 3-d Superstats Carl Yastrzmski

If you need it let me know and its yours

=================

Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 02:15:43 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Post & Kelloggs Availables
From: "jimbo777777" 

Howdy folks,

I finally got around to updating my website want list tonight.  While
I was at it, I've identified a slew of available dupes from 1961-1963
Post Baseball and a few Kelloggs.  Have at 'em.  Some of the Post
might be jellos, I don't differentiate for my sets.  Condition is all
over the map, some very nice, some awful.

1963 Post:  47 189 90 77 2 20 102 193 177 56 157 93 6 21

1962 Post: 94 76 23 40 146 48 62 193 96 13 121 139 66 67 1 93 59 100
171 181 132 64 161 170

1961 Post: 15 44 32 124 150 196 79 177 169 199 152 151 100 88 78 56
55 52 18 17 34 120 140 198 16 184 100 98

1979 Kelloggs: 49 2 21 30 40 41 46 29

1970 Kelloggs: 9

1976 Kellogs:  24

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Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 03:38:24 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New Set
From: "jimbo777777" 

I've decided to add 1963 Fleer Baseball to my want lists.  I just
picked up my first one on ebay tonight - Willie Mays, card #5.  Any
others would be most welcome!

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 color variations
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:05:41 -0400
From: "Sean McGowan" 

I have Morales with black over pink(2 of them), Hisle with no seams(2 of them),
and Harrison with black over pink
... the plot thickens!

I'm still trying to document the 1978 color variations - they are the seams
on the baseballs in the top corners that give the positions. Does anyonehave
any of these?
#374 Morales - with pink seams
#520 Hisle - with pink seams or black seams
#536 Harrison - with pink seams

=================

Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2002 21:47:00 +0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This that and the other thing
From: Lynn Miller 

This is getting distressing.  Would anyone tell me if going to digest
would help and how do I do it?  Thanks, Lynn

> Pardon the lateness on this one.  But I'm still having Yahoo "bounced"
> email problems and doesn't look like it will ever get fixed.  So
> resending this one coz Yahoo returned it.  hopefully it will get
> through this time.
>> And was I ever surprised again to get another phone call from Mike to
>> explain this to me.  Mail here is always an experience, especially
>> using the international address which most of you have not had to
>> use.  But like my link says, if you are ready to send me "all" the
>> cards from my wantlist in one package, let me know first so I can
>> give you the proper mailing directions :>)  But of course we
>> "rambled" on about other things as well.  I took advantage of him
>> making the call :>)  These are the moments in OBC that I treasure.
>>  Thanks again Mike for making it a special OBC Day and I look forward
>> to getting another vintage Hammer card from you.  Hope I didn't make
>> you late for work Mike.  But since you're the boss anyway, I guess
>> that doesn't matter.
>>    Well, gotta go update the wantlist.  Best wishes to all, Lynn
>> mikesportsfan wrote:
>>>We occassionally make jokes about snail mail, especially sending or
>>>receiving from Canada.  Wellon June 3, I mailed a SCP to Lynn Miller
>>>of a 1970 Milton Bradley Hammer.  Lynn and I had E-mailed about it a
>>>few times, and I had even old address, not his new address for
>>>regular envelopes. I had called Lynn in the Phillipines.  We knew
>>>that I had sent it to his done this with another envelope as well, but
>>>Lynn got that one (fortunately).  Well Lynn has never received the
>>>envelope.  On Monday, I received the envelope (with side slit open)
>>>back saying that the addressee had moved.  It took from June 3 to
>>>September 30, but I got it back.  Now even though the envelope was
>>>slit, my letter and believe it or not the Aaron were still inside.  I
>>>actually called Lynn on the phone again to tell him.  I am thankful
>>>rates have come down that for a couple of $ I can chat with a great
>>>guy.  I have the correct address and
>>> w
>>>ill be able to send it to the
>>>correct address this time.  We will see how long it takes.  Hopefully a lot quicker this time

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WS prediction
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 10:22:43 -0600
From: "Todd Knowles" 

Thanks Al, now root for the Braves!

=================

To: 
Subject: Out of the closet
Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 14:11:06 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 

Seems like this is the time of year that I come out of hibernation and get active
with my baseball cards again..... cool weather and Post-Season gamesare
what does it, I think.  Been pulling the cards out of the closet yesterday
and today and am trying to get organized.  Got a few questions,  comments,
etc. and hope to hear from a few of you guys.....

1.  I've had a few hits in the last couple of weeks.... thanks go out to Joe
Cerullo, Lynn Miller, Dave Skoglund and especially Earl Kilbourn for an OBC
cap as well as cards !!

2.  I have  been on the mail servers off and on since last January so I know
that there are some new guys but not sure who exactly.  If you are relatively
new, give me a holler.  Your lists may be relatively easy for me to hit.

3.  OBC Top 3 List - I had almost forgotten about this list and haven't updated
it for a while.  Below is a link for your reference. LMK if you want to
be added or updated.  I am going to use it myself to try to send out a bunch
of dups; probably Sunday.
http://home.attbi.com/~chuckparis/obctop3.html

4.  T206's are still one of my main interests.  Here are a few that I have to
trade.  Half-way decent condition with common backs...Barbeau, Beckley (HOF),
Chappelle, Clark, Jones (Detroit), Lindaman, Thielman and Wright.  Here
are a bunch that are in really rough shape.  They are all Sovereign backs
but are 75-90% skinned .....Devore, Fiene, Flanagan, Hallman, Hartsel andShaw.

5.  Finally, I was thinking of doing a little football betting on the internet.
Does anyone out there have any experience with any of the hundreds ofsportsbooks
on the internet??

Thanks for reading; hope to hear from some of you guys,

Chuck Paris
http://home.attbi.com/~chuckparis/

=================

Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 18:53:35 EDT
Subject: Variations
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com

I have seen a ton of emails lately listing all kinds of variations from all
kinds of sets.  Is anyone logging all of these?  I know someone had a
variations page a while back (I don't know if that page is still around).
Would those variations be something that can be on our webpage? There are
things that I have never heard of and I'm sure this info would be valuable
not only to us, but to visitors.  Any ideas on this (or if there is a source
that has all this variations listed)?

=================

Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:42:47 EDT
Subject: Ft. Wash--Way Late
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com

Hey All:

Got back a week ago and this is the 1st chance I've had to do some e-mail.
Had a great time at the Ft. Wash show.  Bob Reed picked me up in Manhattan
and we met up with a bunch of obc'ers at the show, including ye olde friar,
andy cook and mac wubben, steve rittenberg and ken morganti, richard kimball
and his wife (who is apparently used to being dragged to shows) plus a late
appearance from the grizzled one himself.

The show (my first there) had some great tables--best selection i've seen in
years and i was able to pick up some oddball topps for my type set and
managed to finish off the 65 embossed set, plus (almost) the 63
peeloffs--couldn't find that yaz anywhere!  also got to go through roger
neufeldt's cheapo 53 bowmans and 55 topps and filled in a mess of commons
from those sets.  All in all, a real nice day.  Hope to do it again soon and
definitely looking forward to the 2003 national in a.c.

=================

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:07:25 EDT
Subject: MEETING THE TRADER
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

Well let me start by saying this is a Rambling and a thank you>
A couple weeks ago Doug Smith (TRADER DOUG) told me he was going to be
in NYC for a couple days, Unfortunately he was here when i had to Pull a 24
hour tour at work, so we lost out on hanging out Sunday, but we mad plans to
meet at my house for a few hours on his way to Boston.
Well, Doug Stopped my and came with gifts. Doug checks in with a 1933
Goudey Bud Clancy (Brooklyn dodger) card, a topps red back Brooklyn dodger of
gene hermanski, a 1909 T206 Brooklyn Superbas Dunn card and 18 hits to my 72
topps including  Jim Palmer, and Willie McCovey, a 2002 toops 1952 W/S
highlights with Jackie Robinson,Preacher roe and Peewee Reese, And 94 upper
deck jackie robinson. Thank you very much.
After we swapped some cardboard (i was only able to hit him 1 time
with an exhibit card and a Nap Lajoie HOF postcard...i kinda felt like I
cheated him, we talked about sports drank Coffee and smoked Cigarettes. We
talked about other OBC members, talked about the Brooklyn Dodgers, NY
giants...Sport Stadiums and areas they are in, and our families. Doug got to
see first hand my love for the NY METS, Mike Piazza, and Autographs. We
looked over my T206 collection (which is minute compared to Doug's, but I
gave him a little pointer on how to afford the Big 3 of the set without
paying top dollar...Doug that's our secret don't give it out.....!
Let me wrap this up buy saying I was very glad Doug stopped by, I love
meeting you guys, and Doug is a real great guy, who is just as nice and
genuine in person as he is online.  Thanx For stopping by Doug.

=================

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:15:01 EDT
Subject: UPDATED WANTLIST
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Celenox@aol.com

T 206 HAVE list
15 Home Run Baker,45 Bill Bradley, 92 JJ Clarke, 93 Bill Clymer, 103 Wid
Conroy, 113 Dode Criss 146 Larry Doyle,147 Jean Dubuc,150 Joe Dunn, 154 Dick
Egan, 165 Hobe Ferris,178 Bob Ganley, 182 George Gibson,184 Wilbur Goode, 205
Buc Herzog, 220 Rudy Hulwitt,,236&;237 Tim Jordan, 262 &; 263 Nap Lajoie,265
Joe Lake, 271 Jimmy Lavender,281 Paddy Livingstone,288 Sherry Magee, 326 Dots
370 Jim Pastorius, 387 Jack Powell,391 Lee Quinn392 Jack Quinn,399 Bob
Rhoades,412 George Schrim,
421 Wildfire Schulte, 455 George Stone,463 Bill Sweeney,487 Bobby Wallace,490
Jake Weimer
511 Cy Young
NEW SET
1933 Goudey....I HAVE ONLY 2 But i want to start this set...#32 John
Clancy,#223 Dizzy Dean
1949 Bowman...I have list

The rest of my sets are want lists 55b-76T...
1955 Bowman 1/2 complete
2, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 17,  19, 20, 23, 24, 25, 29, 32, 35,
38,  46, 48, 55, 56, 59, 60,63,65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70,71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 77,
78, 79, 80,  89,  92, 93, 94, 95, 96,, 101, 102,, 110, 112,,   119,  126,
130, 132, 133, 140, 141,  147,  150,  154, 159, 160, 161,  163, 164, 166,
167, 168, , 175, 177, 178, 188, 193,  196, 197, 198, 199,  213, 215, 218,
225, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234, 235, 236,238, 239,  241, 242,
243, 245, 246, 248, 249, 250, 251, 252, , 255, 256, 257, 259, 261, 262, 264,
265,  267,   270,  272, 273, 274, 275,  277, 279, 280, 281, 282, 283, 284,
285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299,
300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 306, 307, 308, 309, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316,
317,  319,
957 Topps
1,2,4,5,6,7,8,9,11-20,22-38,40,42-58,60,61,62,63, 64,65,66,68,69,
70,72,73,75,77-83, 85, 86, 87, 88,91,92,93,95-109,111,112,114,115,117,119,
120,121,122, 123,124,125,126,127, 128, 130, 131,132,133,135,137,138,141-154,
156 , 157,158, 159,160, 161,162,163,164,165,167,168,171, 172,173,174,
175,176,177,179,180,181,182,183,184, 186, 187,188, 189,192,193, 194,195,196,
197,198,199, 200,201 ,202,203 ,204,205, 206,207,208,209, 212,214-227 ,229-242
,244, 245, 248,

1962 Topps
1,  3, 5, 6,  10, 11, 13, 14,  17, 18,  20, 21, 24, 25,  27, 30, 31, 32, 33,
34, 35, 37, 38, 40, 43, 45, 48,   51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61,
62, 64, 65, 67, 68,  70,  72, 73,  75,  77, 79, 80, 81,  84, 85,86  , 88,
90, 91,  93, 95, 98, 99, 100,103, 104, 105, 106,  110, 111, 112, 113, 114,
115, 116, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 125,  127, 128, 129, 130, 131,
132, 134, 135, 136, 137, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146,  148,
149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, , 156, 157, 158, 159, 160, 161, 163, 164, 165,
166, 167, 168, 169, 170, 172, 173, 174, 175, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 181,
183, 184, 185, 186, 187, 188, 189, 190, 191, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 198,
199, 200,, 202, 203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 213,  215,
216, 217, 218, 219, 220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230,
231, 232, 233, 235, 236, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 244, 245, 246, 247,
248, 249, 250, 251, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262,
263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 269, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276,  278, 280,
281, 282,  284,  286,  288, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296, 297, 298, 299,
300, 301, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315,
316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 328, 329, 330, 331,
332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 342, 343, 345, 346, 347, 348,
349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364,
365, 366, 368, 369, 370, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381,
382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389, 390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396,
397, 398, 399, 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411,
412, 413, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426,
427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441,
442,  445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 457, 458, 459,
460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469, 470, 471, 472, 473, 474,
475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 488, 489,
490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505,
506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518, 521, 522,
523, 524, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537,
538, 539, 540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552,
553, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567,
568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582,
583, 584, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 595, 596, 597,
1963 Topps
1, 2, 3 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10,12, 13, 14, 15, 17, 18, 19,  21, 22,25, 26, 27,
29, 30,, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 40, 41, 42,  44, 45,47, 48, 50,  52,
54, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 74,
75, 76, 77, 78,80, 81, 82, 83, 85, 86, 87,  89, 90, 92,  95, 97,  101,  105,
106,, 108, 109, 111, 112, 115, 116, 117, 118, 119, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124,
125, 126, 127, 128, 129, 132, 133, 134, 135,   138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 143,
144, 145, 146, 149, 150, 151, 152, 153, 154, 156, 157, 158, 160, 161, 162,
163,  165,  167, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 174,  176, 178, 179, 180, 182, 183,
184,187, 188, 189, 190,  192, 193, 194, 195, 197, 198, 199, 200, 201, 202,
203, 204, 205, 206, 207, 208, 209, 210,  212, 213, 214, 215, 216, 217, 219,
220, 221, 222, 223, 224, 225, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 231, 232, 233, 234,
235,  238, 239, 240, 241, 242, 243, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 249, 250, 251,
252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 263, 264, 265, 266,
267, 268, 269, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 280, 281,
282, 283, 284, 285, 286, 287, 288, 289, 290, 291, 292, 293, 294, 295, 296,
297, 298, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 307, 308, 309, 311, 312,
313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327,
328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342,
343, 344, 345, 346, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357,
358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366,  368, 369, 370, 371,373, 374,
375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 388, 389,
390, 391, 392, 393, 394, 395, 396, 398, 399, 400, 401, 403, 404, 405, 406,
407, 408, 410, 411, 412, 414, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423,
424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438,
439, 440, 441, 442, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453,
454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462,  464, 465, 466, 467, 468, 469,
470, 471, 472, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485,
486, 487, 488, 489, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500,
501, 502, 505, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 517, 518,
519, 520, 521, 522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533,
534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, ,
551, 552, 553, 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566,
567, 568, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576
1969 Topps 1/2 complete
1,2,3,6,8,9,15,20,31,35,,49, 82,85,95, 99, 100,  106, 109, 114,115, 116, 120,
121,122, 127, 131, 134, 135,146,150,153,157, 162, 163, 164, 165,166, 167,
168, 169, 171, 172, 173,174, 176, 180,181, , 187,189, 191, 197, 198, 199,200,
201,202,203,207,212, 216, 218, 220,221,224,225,226,231, 233,234,235,236,237,
,239,241,244,245,246,248,249,250, 255, 257,
260,261,262,263,265,267,268,269,270,271,273, 274, 275,,278, 280,284,286
,,288, 289,291 ,295,297,301,302,303,304, 305,307,308,310,311,312,313,
315,,319.320 , 321,322 ,,324, 328,  332, 335, 338, 343,345, ,356, ,,362,
364,366,367, 368,370,375,377, 381, 391,394,,398, 400,402,
410,,413,416,417,418,,421,422,423, 424, 425,426,
427,428,430,431,432,433,434,435,,450,454,456, , 460, , 467, 472,476,
485,488,,493, 496,497,504,  ,510,511,,513,,516,,521,522 ,, 533, 534, 535,
536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547,
548,549,550,551,554,555,556,557,558,560,561,562,,564,565,568,570, 571, 572,
573, 575, 576, 578, ,580,,583,584, 585,586, 588, 589, 591,592, 593, , 597,
598, 600, 601, 602,

628,629,630,633,635,636,637,638,639,640,641, 642,643,645,649, 650, 655, 657,
658, 659,660, 661,662, 663,664
1971 topps
5,  20,  26, , 55, , 64, 65100,, 133, 135,  137, 140,  160,  170,  176, 180,
191,  202,  210, ,230, 246, 250,  264,, 276,  283, 285,  289, 290, 292, 299,
300, 303, , 306, 307,   310,  315, 320,325, 327, , 330, 341,343,   349, 350,
, 358,361, 362, 363, 368, 370,  376,  378, 380, 381, 384, 386,, 391,  , 394,
395, 396, 399, 400, 401, 402, ,   417,  419, 420, 423, 426, 427, 429,  ,
435,, 437, 438, 439, 440,  442, 444, 447, 449, 450, 453,   457, 458,  460,
461, 462, 463, , 465,   , 469, 470, 472,  474, 475, 476, 477, 478,  480, 481,
482,  484,  490,  492,  494, 495, 496,  499, 500,  502, 503, 504,  506,, 508,
509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 517,, ,  522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 527,
528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 541,, 543,
544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552,  554, 555, 556, 557, , 559, 560,
561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, , 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576,
577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591,
592, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599, 600, 601, 602, 603,  605, 606, 607, 608,
609,, 611, 612, 613, 614, 615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624,
625, 626, , 628, 629, 630, 631, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638 640, 641,
642, 643, 644, 645, 646,  648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656,  658,
659, 660, 661, 662, 663, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673,
674, 675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 680, 681, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689,
690, 691, 692, 693, 694, 695,  697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704, 705,
706, 707, 708, 709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719, 720,
721, 722, 723, 724, 725, 726, 727, 728, 729, 730, 731, 733, 734, 735, 736,
737, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742, 743, 744, 745, 746, 747, 748, 749, 750, 751,

1972 topps
, 3,  16,   32, 33,   45,   49, 50, 51,   79, , 89,, 95,    100, 117, 130,
136,  138,  140, 141, 142, 143,  146, 147, 154, 155, 156, 157,  162, 163,
164, 168,  170, 172, 173, 176,  179, 180, 181, 182, 186,   190, 192, 194,
199, 200,  202, 203, 204, 205,, 208, 210,  212,  214, 215, 216,   220, 222,
225, 226, 228, 229,  232, 233, 237, 238, 239, 240, 241,  243,245,    249,
250,  252,   255, 256,   259,  264,   267, 272,  281,  285, 293, 294, 295,
299, 300, 304, 306, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312,  315, 317,  325, 327,  330,
334, 335, 336, 337, 338,, 345,  347,   352, 353, 355,  357, 358,359 360, 361,
362, 363, 364, 365, 367, 368, 369, 370, 372,  374, 380,  382, 383, 385, 387,
388, 389,, 393,   397, 398, 399, 400, 401, 403, 404, 405, 406,  410, 411,
412, 413, 414,  417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423,  425, 426, 427, 428, 430,
431, 433, 434, 435, 436, 437, 438, 439, 440, 441, 442,  444, 445, 446, 447,
448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453,  455, , 457,  459, 460,  462,  464, 465, 466,,
468, 469, 470, 471, 472,  474, 475, 476, 477,  479, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484,
485, 486, 487, 488,, 490, 491, 492, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498,  500, 501,
505,  507, 508, 509,  511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516,  518, 520, 521, 522, 523,
524,  526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539,
540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 550, 551, 552, 553, 554,
555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569,
570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584,
585, 586, 587, 588, 589, 590, 591, 592, 593, 594, 595, 596, 597, 598, 599,
600, 601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 610, 611, 612, 613, 614,
615, 616, 617, 618, 619, 620, 621, 622, 623, 624, 625, 626, 627, 628, 629,
630, 631, 632, 633, 634, 635, 636, 637, 638, 639, 640, 641, 642, 643, 644,
645, 646, 647, 648, 649, 650, 651, 652, 653, 654, 655, 656, 657, 658, 659,
660, 661, 662, 663, 664, 665, 666, 667, 668, 669, 670, 671, 672, 673, 674,
675, 676, 677, 678, 679, 680, 681, 682, 683, 684, 685, 686, 687, 688, 689,
690, 691, 692, 693, 694, 695, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 702, 703, 704,
705, 706, 707, 708, 709, 710, 711, 712, 713, 714, 715, 716, 717, 718, 719,
720, 721, 722, 723, 724, 725, 726, 727, 728, 729, 730, 731, 732, 733, 734,
735, 736, 737, 738, 739, 740, 741, 742, 743, 744, 745, 746, 747, 748, 749,
750, 751, 752, 753, 754, 755, 756, 757, 758, 759, 760, 761, 762, 763, 764,
765, 766, 767, 768, 769, 770, 771, 772, 773, 774, 775, 776, 777, 778, 779,
780, 781, 782, 783, 784, 785, 786, 787
1973 topps 3/4 complete
1,  50, 54, ,  84, 90, 100, 130142, 160, 175,  210, 218, 235,  240,, 257,
265,   275, 278,  280, 296,  299, 305,  307, 308, , 315, 320, 323, , 330,
338, 341,    346, 350, 353, 357, ,  380, 386,  389,  401, 404,410, 413,, 415,
419, , 426,  434, 441, , 449,453, 460, 462, 466, 469, 471, 472, 473, 474,
475, 477, 478, 480,486, 488, 490, 491,  500, 503, 508, 509,, 517, 527, 529,
530, 531, 532, 534, 535, 537, 538, 539, 540, 542, 543, 544, 545, 547, 550,
551, 552, 555, 556, 557, 558, , 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 570, 571, 573,
574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 580, 581, 582, 583, 586, 587, 588, 589, 594, 596,
597, 598,  601, 602, 603, 604, 605, 606, 607, 608, 609, 612, 614, 615, 616,
618, 620, 621, 622, 625,  627, 628, 629, 630, 633, 634, 636, 637, 639, 640,
643, 644, 647,  649, 650, 652, 655,  657, 658, 660
1976 Topps
2,,95, 100,  102,, 109,   141, 145,  193, 194, 230, 290,295, 309, 340, 345,
346, 347,  350, 376, 421,,451, 455, 462, 473,   480,502, 529, , 532, 534,
543,550, 565, 589,591,593,594,, 596, 598, 606, 610, 638,  640, 649, 650,660

=================

Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:46:02 EDT
Subject: COMMONS WANTED!!!  1960-72
To: Smartalecx@aol.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

hi:  with some frequency recently, i have been told that my wantlist is
getting harder to hit.  in some respects, i am flattered and excited that i
have knocked most of the easy ones off.  on the other hand, i am wondering if
the theory i have about certain cards is true:  that even though they have
relatively low values, they are very hard to come by.

so this is an attempt to generate some response to that question as well as
maybe shake a few trees and find some hits to my wantlist.  the 1000 card
mark is still possible by year end if i can knock most of these off.  any
help would be greatly appreciated and rewarded.  thanks, gary mandell

what follows is a 135 card wantlist of 1960-72 with beckett high book values
of no more than $10:

1960:  29, 464

1961:  243, 416, 446, 486, 500

1962:  159

1963 (almost a third of the list -- what's going on here?):  6, 197, 286,
289, 297, 301, 302, 306, 313, 315, 316, 318, 324, 325, 331, 344, 358, 359,
361, 371, 377, 378, 379, 382, 384, 385, 389, 392, 393, 395, 402, 403, 405,
410, 414, 421, 422, 424, 425, 426, 430, 436, 437, 442

1964:  237, 407, 461, 465, 477, 482, 487, 490, 492, 494, 503, 509, 520

1966:  453, 514, 516, 560

1967:  348, 377, 534, 539, 547, 548, 554, 559, 562, 564, 588, 589, 601

1968:  132, 151, 363, 365, 372, 373, 378, 390, 401, 410, 466, 471, 478, 486,
501, 503, 505, 509, 516, 546, 562, 583, 584, 596

1969:  31, 145, 150, 163, 166, 168, 174, 221, 226, 259, 269, 270, 296, 299,
310, 619, 634, 652, 655, 663

1970:  550, 563, 593, 642, 649, 679, 682, 710

=================

Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:10:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bonus
From: "jimbo777777" 

Howdy folks,

For those of you who claimed Post and Kelloggs cards, they all went
out today.  It's always fun to send out stuff to OBC'ers, but one
particular part always brings a smile to my tired, old face.

That is, when I go up to the window in our tiny, smalltown post
office, and ask "how much does it cost to send a baseball card to

And now it's on to California, and let's win there.....

=================

Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 22:11:25 -0500
To: 0ramblings 
Subject: Please sign
From: Rick & Deb 

OBC Friends...the radio industry has changed dramatically over the last
few years.  As listeners, you may have even noticed it yourselves.
Please check out the link in the text below.  It may turn out to be a
futile effort, but it's worth a try.  Let me know what you think or if
you have any questions.
Thanx...Rick Svetecz (Rick Edwards-KZSN)

===========================================

A petition has been established for the re-regulation of radio at
petitiononline.com. You can access it with the link provided...

http://www.petitiononline.com/rereg/petition.html

Read, and if interested, sign.

Thank you, keep me anonymous, pass the word, and have a great day...

=================

Date: 8 Oct 2002 13:53:45 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
OBC-Ramblings group:

What is your World Series prediction?

o Twins over the Cardinals
o Cardinals over the Twins
o Twins over the Giants
o Giants over the Twins
o Angels over the Cardinals
o Cardinals over the Angels
o Angels over the Giants
o Giants over the Angels

To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/surveys?id=10930391

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

=================

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 10:39:22 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New poll for OBC-Ramblings
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jdelott@aol.com

In a message dated 10/8/02 9:54:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes:

=================

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:02:26 EDT
Subject: Available-Spahn & Vintage wrapper
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i have available 2 Vintage Spahn cards and also a 1962
topps wrapper---
1958 topps # 270- Warren Spahn
1959 topps # 571- Warren Spahn
1952 topps # 60 (red back) - Sid Hudson (plenty of creases)
1952 topps # 86 (red back) -Ted Gray
1962 topps wrapper
1940 Play Ball # 90 Robert Klinger-nice card no damage - front or back
and all text readable
1956 topps # 145- Gil Hodges
1968 topps # 80- Rod Carew
1933 Goudey # 33- Ralph Kress-all text readable on front and back

=================

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:14:27 EDT
Subject: The Postman Cometh...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com

Hi! All,
My annual run at wantlists begins today with 39 packages outbound.  After
finally upgrading/replacing cards that I got at the National, I have as usual
an overflowing dup box or should I say dup boxes.  As usual there are always
WLs I can't hit but
I usually find something for everyone.
Enjoy, Kent...

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Who is working on ________ ?
Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:36:34 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Thanks to Lynn Miller, we can now answer that question.   I am in the process
of turning his work into a web page to be put onto www.oldbaseball.com  but
I am not sure where to put this page.   Any ideas?

Here's a tiny preview of what you'll see:

19th Century
a.. Andy Baran
b.. Jerry Coker
c.. Rick Ellison
d.. Jeff Sackmann
1909-11 T206
a.. Carlos Alcazar
b.. George Altemose
c.. Mark Atnip
d.. Dan Austin
e.. Geordie Calvert
f.. Steve Carter
1933 Goudey R319
a.. Dan Austin
b.. Joe Cerullo
c.. Jerry Coker
d.. Bob Corvello
e.. Wayne Delia
And so on.

=================

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 22:43:34 EDT
Subject: Vrechek's SCD article available on the website
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com
From: WMDpks@aol.com

George Vrechek wrote a terrific two-part article for Sports Collectors Digest
entitled "Jefferson Burdick's Collection and the American Card Catalog" which
concluded with this week's issue. The entire article can be viewed by
selecting "The Library" tab on the left side of the main OBC web page menu,
then clicking on the bottom link under "Articles by OBC Members." Or, if your
tastes run to instant gratification, load the following web page:

http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/burdick.html

I have not yet put the pictures and captions in there, mainly because my kids
outvoted me 2-1 and decided to play SpongeBob SquarePants computer game,
kicking me off my own computer. (I'll stick the pictures in tomorrow.) But do
yourself a favor and read this article. Apart from being very well researched
and a summary of very significant hobby information, it's quite enjoyable to
read. Also, if you get a chance, please send a note of appreciation to the
editors of Sports Collectors Digest to plug this kind of research (and OUR
kind of author!) in their publication.

WMD ("Weapon of Mass Distraction")

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
The 2002 Boston Red Sox: Six All-Stars, AL batting champ, AL doubles leader,
AL triples leader, two 20-game winners, AL strikeout leader, AL ERA leader
and runnerup - and they can't even make the playoffs.

=================

Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:01:48 EDT
Subject: May need an OBCAC judgement call on this one
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: WMDpks@aol.com

I went to the Gloria Rothstein show in White Plains this past weekend, missed
Rob Gioia by one day, but otherwise had a pretty good time. Ran into
OBC-friendly dealer John Morrison, who said to say hello to all his friends
in OBC including our resident 1920's entertainer from the west coast. He has
a bunch of cards he would like to make available to OBC people at
deep-discount prices, and asked me a few weeks ago what the best way to do
that would be. I told him to get on our web page and put a message on the
message board. This past weekend he said he did that, and got about 10
inquiries and offers on the card he put on the message board, but none of
them were from OBC. He turned them all down, said he would rather sell them
to us instead of using our message board to make them available to total
strangers in the general public. Meanwhile, since we have the mailing list
groups, we rarely use the web site message board for urgent communication.
So, we need a better way. Obviously (or maybe not?) making him a member of
OBC or giving him access to our Yahoo groups mailing lists is not the way to
go, since he's a full-time dealer and much less of a collector. If he were
inclined to do so, he could pull all our individual email addresses off the
web site and when he has a bunch of cards available maybe he could just blast
us an email with what he's got and how much he wants for them. I've never
been in favor of opening up our group to "dealer scum spam" but this guy is
the absolute best and he wants to offer us some terrific cards at frankly
spectacular prices. (I picked up a 1954 Bowman Berra, 1955 Bowman Mays, a
1950 Bowman low number, twelve T53 Cowboy Series (yeah, I'll look at your
wantlist, Trader Jim Wiehe!) and a few other cards for about $65 total.

(From another dealer, as a complete joke, I bought a Topps 1992 #156 Manny
Ramirez, PSA-9 Mint, for five bucks. No kidding!)

Is there some way we can make our email addresses available to him so he can
send us, once in awhile, a list of cards available ranging from specific
needs in OBC conditions to a huge box deal like Lynn Miller got? I guarantee,
this guy is terrific, and is one of just a handful of dealers who want to
arrange to get us what we're looking for because he admires our approach to
collecting. If not, that's OK, but we might be missing out on a great
opportunity. I'm still kicking myself for not pulling the trigger on the Lynn
Miller box deal for myself. Some great cards in there!

Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com
Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College
Narrator: "Fortunately, George had another trick up his sleeve."
George of the Jungle (sheepishly): "George no have sleeves."

=================

Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:52:17 -0400
To: WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] May need an OBCAC judgement call on this one
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Maybe we can give John one e-mail address (we can pick who, maybe someone in the OBCAC), and when he has a sale or announcement, we can put it on the OBC announcements server. That way, his message gets out and we don't compromise our mailing list.

Just a thought.

=================

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:52:02 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] May need an OBCAC judgement call on this one
To: BDAngelo@aol.com, WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

In a message dated 10/8/02 10:58:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
bdangelo@aol.com writes:

> Wayne,
>   Maybe we can give John one e-mail address (we can pick who, maybe someone
> in the OBCAC), and when he has a sale or announcement, we can put it on the
> OBC announcements server. That way, his message gets out and we don't
> compromise our mailing list.
> Just a thought.
> Bob

great suggestion bob!

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] May need an OBCAC judgement call on this one
Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 10:30:46 -0400
From: "Robert Reed" 

How about having John start a invitation only non-affiliated OBC yahoo group
(maybe call it Dealer-Scum@yahoogroups.com).  Then any OBC members that want
to subscribe can do so.  That way people not interested won't be bothered by
unwanted emails.

-Bob R

>From: smartalecx@aol.com
>To: BDAngelo@aol.com, WMDpks@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] May need an OBCAC judgement call on this one
>Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 09:52:02 EDT
>In a message dated 10/8/02 10:58:12 PM Central Daylight Time,
>bdangelo@aol.com writes:
> > Wayne,
> >
> >   Maybe we can give John one e-mail address (we can pick who, maybe
> > in the OBCAC), and when he has a sale or announcement, we can put it on
> > OBC announcements server. That way, his message gets out and we don't
> > compromise our mailing list.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Bob
> >

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http://www.hotmail.com

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings (E-mail)" 
Subject: Insurance Riders
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 12:41:40 -0700
From: Steve Carter 

Hello all!

I recently asked my insurance agent what it would cost to add a rider to my
homeowners insurance for my collection, and what documentation / appraisals
would be necessary to get it done.  I have just been told that Met Life (my
carrier) doesn't do baseball cards.

Any information on anyone who has their collection insured by what insurance
company, how much it costs ($ per $1000 covered, I don't need to pry) and
what you needed to submit to get the coverage would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Steve Carter
Applications Engineering Manager
Multek - Roseville

=================

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:12:46 EDT
Subject: Wantlist/eBay Question
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

I use AOL Hometown to maintain my wantlists b/c I find it easier than
Geocities and with such other hosts as Angelfire, I always get popup ads
which only disrupt. Recently, I have been experiencing problems each time I
go to edit my wantlist.  I can access it and make changes fine, but when it
comes to saving my page to hometown, I continuously get error messages such
as "Web Page Not Responding."  I get this and hit refresh only to see it come
up again. I then hit the back button and try to resend the page and sometimes
that works.  However, today it took me 13 tries to get it to save.  This is
especially annoying when I have many changes to make.  Sometimes I will just
shut down and retry later.  My question is, is this happening to anyone else?
Or is it just my computer?  Anyone know what I can do to fix this problem?
If this is an AOL problem, are there any alternate hosts that provide easy to
edit pages? Any help would be appreciated.

On another subject, I have an opinion question to ask regarding eBay.  Back
in July I sold some items and all but one transaction went off w/o a hitch.
I had one bidder that never contacted me, never responded to several of my
e-mails, didn't respond to the Payment Reminders or Non-Paying Bidder Alerts
sent out by eBay, and from what I can see, has done no business except for a
single book back in August or so.  I relisted the item last month and sold it
successfully. Does this warrant a negative? a neutral to alert people?  I
know we discussed the feedback issue back when Brock dealt with his seller
problem.  I think we determined that once the 90 days are up, no retaliatory
feedback can be left.  Does anyone know otherwise?

Thanks for reading,

=================

To: "VCT" ,
Subject: e-mail test
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:21:08 -0700
From: "John Collins" 

(......but only a test)
=================

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:49:48 EDT
Subject: retaliation - ebay no pay
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Traderdoug@aol.com


If this guy has purchased only one item in months I wouldn't take any risks.
The negative is there to warn future buyers and sellers ..doesn't look like
there will be any.  I'd just forget it. - Doug

=================

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:52:21 -0400 (EDT)
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net (Steve Rittenberg)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] New page added to www.oldbaseball.com
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I briefly checked out the "who is working on _________" page. TOO COOL!
You deserve a passel of kudos as does Lynn Miller for all the time and
effort invested. I for one am most grateful. Thank you both.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:58:14 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist/eBay Question
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Thanks to those that replied concerning my wantlist question.  I may just add
my page to the OBC site to avoid the hassle of AOL.  As for the eBay
question, many of you just confirmed what I was already thinking.  With the
90 days expiring shortly, I was inclined to just let it go as he has not been
active in bidding/selling.  Just thought I would run it by the group.

Appreciate your help,

=================

Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 20:09:52 -0400
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] New page added to www.oldbaseball.com
From: bdangelo@aol.com

Hi gang,

Steve and Lynn deserve a ton of credit for putting up the "who collects what" page. Simply awesome, guys!

=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:29:39 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "rayluurs" 

I am coming to Colorado October 15th through 19th,  except for the
first day if anyone is in the Denver area and wants to meet up for a
late dinner and conversation.  Let me know
We will be staying at the Hampton Inn in Longmont and I will bring my
cell along just in case.  The number is (612) 298 3573

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Great Mysteries of Our Time......
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:36:43 +0000
From: 

While reading some of the recent thank you messages revolving around early 60's JellO and Post cards, a strange thought came into my head.....

If you were to send one of these suckers away to be graded, how could they tell whether it's been trimmed or not?

=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:31:53 EDT
Subject: Canada
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

What's up with Canadian mail?  Just got back a package marked "Refused At
Customs, Return To Sender".  I sent in out 6 weeks ago to Paul Biggs, full of
cards.  Declared value at $15--fair for the cards I was sending.  Is customs
that particular about declared value that they would have sent it back?  I
always declare between $10 and $20 and have never had this experience.  Is
there something I should take into consideration for when I resend the cards?

=================

To: 
Subject: Canada Post
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 14:37:02 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Brian, yes indeedy, Canada Post works in weird and wonderful ways, when they
do work at all. However, this one sounds like Customs didn't like it for
some reason rather than Canada Post.  Was it opened by Customs, then
resealed? Or just plain refused? I have never heard of one just being
refused and sent back...usually there is a followup letter to the recipient
asking them to come in for an "interview" about the package. This has
happened to me once, and luckily I was playing fair and square, so there was
no problem. Was it a strange shape, or just a regular puffy?

=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:54:21 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Canada Post
To: grains@dccnet.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

It was a regular puffy with two 50 count plastic boxes full of cards along
with a 9-pocket page stuffed with cards.  It was opened and resealed with
marked Canadian tape.  They placed "Refused" stickers on two areas and wrote
"RTS" with bold, black marker on the package.  Looking at the package, it is
all wrinkled and dirty in some parts from its travels.  I have no idea why it
would be returned b/c even after opening it, one could see that the cards
were plain 1970 Topps, wrinkled, creased, and all.  I actually declared value
at $10, not $15, and described the contents as a gift of baseball cards.

No clue.

=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:53:01 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: vacation
From: 

I haven't heard from anyone in the Bay area about my visit. I thought we had a
few members down there but I guess everyone is in LA or they are too busy
rooting for the A's. Forget it guys, the A's lost again. Everyone can now root
for the Twinkies or is it the Hankies? Anyhow, all of you will be glad to know
I won't be writing any of this trash and clogging the servers for a week.
Big Al, soon in Reno

=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:02:56 -0400 (EDT)
To: alcattle@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vacation
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Hey Al, when is your wantlist going back up? It's been under
construction longer then the roads in Michigan!!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] vacation
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 17:20:26 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Well that is good news...Al is pulling for the Twins. Means the Halos now
have a lock on this Series. Thanks for your support Al, we Angels fans
really appreciate it.

As for your trip South, I sincerely hope you have a chauffeur lined
up....perhaps some of the more religious in our group could say a bit of a
prayer tonight for all the people who even stand a remote chance of sharing
I-5 with Big Al. They can really use the help.

I haven't heard from anyone in the Bay area about my visit. I thought we had
few members down there but I guess everyone is in LA or they are too busy
rooting for the A's. Forget it guys, the A's lost again. Everyone can now
for the Twinkies or is it the Hankies? Anyhow, all of you will be glad to
I won't be writing any of this trash and clogging the servers for a week.
Big Al, soon in Reno

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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vacation report
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I'm finally back from my little trip to upstate NY and
the wedding of a good friend.  My hometown (Carthage,
NY) is still there, but a lot of the people I grew up
with are gone...many of the places I hung out as a kid
have been torn down...kind of depressing to see what's
happened (BTW...it's only been six years since I last
saw the place, and 10 since I left).

I did bump into a few people I recognized, and it was
nice to sit and laugh about the old times and figure
out how we were able to survive some of the stuff we
did.  I got to eat at a couple of places I hadn't been
to in a long time and cussed when I saw how my high
school had redone the old football field (I mean, COME
ON! Is nothing sacred anymore?).

The wedding went off without a hitch.  As the best
man, I gave the groom his final chance to run.  When
he didn't take it, I let him know that if he tried to
run from the church, I'd tackle him and drag him back
if necessary.

On Sunday night, it started getting cold.  I'm not
talking about "I'm used to Florida" cold; it got down
into the mid-30s.  People were getting their wood
stoves ready.  Fortunately, I wasn't the only one
wearing a jacket, so at least I still don't stick out
among my old friends as the one who lived down South.

Even worse was the fact that my beloved Yankees got
knocked out of the postseason...I'll explain how this
was all my fault in my next email.

I finally got home yesterday, picked up my mail, and
started sifting through almost 400 (!) emails that had
accumulated while I was away.  I'll be sending thanks
out shortly to all those who sent me surprises.

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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=================

Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 18:24:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Here's why the Yankees lost...
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I know this subject was laid to rest a few days ago,
but I just got back from a weeklong trip and felt this
group would be interested to hear how I (a big Yankees
fan) personally screwed my team out of their
postseason trip.

I was born in upstate New York in '72.  When Dad got
back from his last tour in 'Nam, I moved around the
country as part of a Navy family.  While I lived in
NY, the Yankees weren't quite the "Bronx Bombers" of
lore.  I was living in Virginia when they had their
great run in the late 1970s, and was in Orlando when
the Yanks made the 1981 Series.

In 1982, I moved back to my little hometown in upstate
NY.  Including my time in the Army, I was a permaent
resident of that state until the 1995 postseason...and
most Yankees fans can remember having to be saddled
with some overpaid, underachieving teams during some
of those years (except for Mattingly).  In fact, the
one year they looked like they would actually get to
the series again, there was a strike that finished the

In 1996, I moved to Florida.  I immediately found my
team in the Series...against the preferred team of my
new hometown (In Jacksonville, nobody follows the
Marlins or Devil Rays; here it's Braves country).
Most of the years I've been here, it's been great to
be a fan of the Yankees.

This year, I was visiting my old hometown when the
Yankees got hammered.  I'll go on the record and give
the Angels the credit they deserve: they played the
same game as the 1996 Yankees did, and played with a
heart and fire that only comes from a determination to
be the best.  They beat the Yankees because they
played better baseball.

But I'm still convinced that it wasn't a mere
coincidence that the Yankees packed up and left Yankee
Stadium at the same time that I happened to be sitting
in the state of New York.  Don Zimmer is a friend of
my mother, perhaps she mentioned that I was going to
be there.

It's all my fault.

For the record, I'm waiting to see how long it takes
for somebody to offer me a plane ticket to Syracuse
for next October...

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Here's why the Yankees lost...
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 21:50:14 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Consider it done!  Who'll chip in with me?

>>It's all my fault.
>>For the record, I'm waiting to see how long it takes
>>for somebody to offer me a plane ticket to Syracuse
>>for next October...

>>Take care,

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 03:34:56 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Colorado bound and a question
From: "rayluurs" 

I am coming to Colorado October 15th through 19th,  except for the
first day if anyone is in the Denver area and wants to meet up for a
late dinner and conversation.  Let me know
We will be staying at the Hampton Inn in Longmont and I will bring my
cell along just in case.  The number is (612) 298 3573

Has a date ever been set in the rescheduling of V03

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 00:20:38 EDT
Subject: CD Project for Rick... update
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: XTrJmx@aol.com

Hi all... I've been waiting a while for the final bit of the pledged money to
roll in (as I'm sure it will) but I'm ready to get the CDs.  Thanks to the 14
tremendous OBCers who generously donated sufficient funds to get the Glory of
Their Times CD and the ENTIRE series of Diamond Cuts!!  I'll get them ordered
tomorrow...  Thanks again to all!

Take care and have a terrific weekend...

P.S., Has anyone started up signatures on any baseballs?  If they have, I'd
love a chance to sign one at some point.  Take care!

=================

Date: 11 Oct 2002 04:52:43 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: New poll for OBC-Ramblings

Enter your vote today!  A new poll has been created for the
OBC-Ramblings group:

How many career HRs (reg season) do you think Bonds will have when the 2009 season ends?

o Won't pass Mays.
o 660 (ties Mays)
o Will pass Mays.
o 670+
o 680+
o 690+
o Won't get 700.
o 700+
o Won't pass Babe.
o 714 (ties Babe)
o Will pass Babe.
o 727+
o 742+
o Won't pass Hank.
o 755 (ties Hank)
o Will pass Hank.
o 765+
o 777+
o 784+
o Won't get 800.
o 800+
o 855+
o 880+
o 888+
o 900+

To vote, please visit the following web page:

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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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web site listed above.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: possible 67 checklist variation?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:42:11 -0400
From: "Joe Isaac" 

Just thought I would add more discussion to the variations that have been
popping up lately.

I received a 67 checklist from the 4th series in a recent trade.  I scanned
the checklist to see who was included and found a possible variation with
this card.

On the card front, the sequence is ...307, 308, 309, 210, 311, ...  I though
this was odd that 210 was printed instead of 310.  #310 is Gary Peters as is
listed on the card.

Anyone aware of this variation?  Or is it simply an uncorrected error?

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:47:37 EDT
Subject: refused package at Customs-Reason
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- i have a possible explanation for the package Brian sent
being refused  and returned by Canadian Customs- Was one of the 1970 topps
cards you were sending- # 19- John Boccabella??Maybe the officials saw the
card and thought you were sending secret information about a new virus- the
"Boccabella Virus" to some terrorist cell operating in their country-- Linda

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 15:14:37 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] refused package at Customs-Reason
To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com
From: toppsrun368@aol.com

Wouldn't you know that #19 was included.  Perhaps your reasoning is right.
The good thing is that Paul no longer needs that card so it won't be heading
back.  However, in the past 6 weeks, someone must've slipped it into the

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Opinions?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 20:01:47 +0100
From: "Glenn Codere" 

I'm thinking about making a bid for this item. Are these real?

Glasgow, Scotland

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1866401695

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:56:53 -0400
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
Subject: Free 1952 Topps set!
From: Dan Austin 

That's right - you too can own your very own 1952 Topps set - FREE!  How
you ask?  Why, by pointing your browser to the "virtual card collection"!

http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/

Yes, after nearly a 2 month hiatus, I have gotten off my keister long
enough to generate another new set for the page.  With this one, I'm trying
a slightly different format that I think is a little more appealing.  LMK
what you think of it.  I have eliminated the "javascript" page, and have
produced what I think is a nicer version of the main page.  I'm also
considering breaking some of the larger sets up into "series" to eliminate
the huge load time which can bee seen for the main page of larger
sets.  any opinions on this?  Feel free to send suggestions, comments, etc.
to me.  If the new format is more appealing, I may begin retrofitting the
rest of the site to that format.

- Dan

P.S. - If the set doesn't load well for you the first time, come back a
little later.  I am in the process of uploading it now and it takes quite a
while to transfer all the files to the server.

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:50:21 EDT
Subject: Just wondering...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Howdy gang!  I haven't rambled much lately, but noticed something that I just
have to ask about...

The OBC home page asks:
"Remember when flipping and trying for leaners was the way you collected

My answer to the question is YES.  I remember flipping cards in grade school.
In fact, I remember one fella who used to put a piece of bubble gum on the
sole of his shoe and casually tried to step on a card if he wanted it.  When
he wasn't caught the card would stick to the gum!  I'm 32 years old and I'm
guessing that my youth was the last generation of "flippers" that we'll ever
see.  Can you imagine today's youth flipping slabbed Shaq's and A-Rod's
against a wall?  Now that would be funny!  But I digress...

I'm curious to know when the last time OBC folks out there flipped cards and
tried for leaners.  I've often thought about somehow getting a group together
and actually flipping cards against a wall.  Perhaps something like this has
happened at a previous National or similar event - no...flying cardboard at
an OBC swap session doesn't count :-)  It seems to me that if we ask visitors
to our website to harken back to the good ol' days of flipping, perhaps we
should lube up our own rusty flipping skills and give it a whirl!  I know I
haven't flipped cards in probably 15+ years myself.  I think it would be a
hoot!  What do you think??

Happy Collecting!

=================

To: ,
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] possible 67 checklist variation?
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:58:20 -0400
From: "Sean McGowan" 

my checklist (#278) is the same

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Isaac" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:42 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] possible 67 checklist variation?

> Just thought I would add more discussion to the variations that have been
> popping up lately.
> I received a 67 checklist from the 4th series in a recent trade.  I
> the checklist to see who was included and found a possible variation with
> this card.
> On the card front, the sequence is ...307, 308, 309, 210, 311, ...  I
> this was odd that 210 was printed instead of 310.  #310 is Gary Peters as
> listed on the card.
> Anyone aware of this variation?  Or is it simply an uncorrected error?
> Joe
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 17:44:07 -0700
To: OBC Ramblings 
Subject: Oddball Availability - Boston Herald & RC Cola Iron-On's
From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood 

I am inquiring if someone has information regarding the scarcity of the
1975 Boston Herald set and, 1978 RC Cola & Me Iron On's.  I am pretty
close to completing my Jim Rice collection, except the proliferation of
bat/jersey cards by Fleer - they seem to have a Rice memorabilia card in
every set.

My primary medium for collecting is ebay, and I have not seen them
there.  I am not sure exactly what form the Boston Herald is in.  I
pulled the checklist from Beckett, which provides, incidently, a fairly
exhaustive list.

If anyone can provide a description of the Boston Herald set, and the
scarcity of the aboves sets, it would be appreciated.

Erik Greenwood

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:13:05 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

Jim - In the early days of OBC we use to gather in a chat session for
swapping on AOL once a month and I recall one evening when Larry Tipton and
Phil Chmelski actually challenged each other to a flipping contest! They
actually picked cards from their dupes and described how they were flipping
them against the wall in their prespective homes measuring the distance and
describing the action on line! The looser had to mail the winner the cards he

I grew up in Savannah, Ga. and me and my two brothers spent hours flipping
cards in the late 50's and early 60's!

=================

To: ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:19:00 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

I spent many hours  in the late 60's early 70's flipping.  We also had a
variation of the game.  Each player would lean some cards against a wall.
We could then flip towards the wall trying to knock the cards down.  If you
knocked a card (or cards!) down with a flip, you won them.

Perhaps we can have a flip contest at the Shriner's in November.

take care

-----Original Message-----
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com [mailto:Jrhatchjr@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 7:50 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...

Howdy gang!  I haven't rambled much lately, but noticed something that I
just have to ask about...

The OBC home page asks:
"Remember when flipping and trying for leaners was the way you collected

My answer to the question is YES.  I remember flipping cards in grade
school.  In fact, I remember one fella who used to put a piece of bubble gum
on the sole of his shoe and casually tried to step on a card if he wanted
it.  When he wasn't caught the card would stick to the gum!  I'm 32 years
old and I'm guessing that my youth was the last generation of "flippers"
that we'll ever see.  Can you imagine today's youth flipping slabbed Shaq's
and A-Rod's against a wall?  Now that would be funny!  But I digress...

I'm curious to know when the last time OBC folks out there flipped cards
and tried for leaners.  I've often thought about somehow getting a group
together and actually flipping cards against a wall.  Perhaps something like
this has happened at a previous National or similar event - no...flying
cardboard at an OBC swap session doesn't count :-)  It seems to me that if
we ask visitors to our website to harken back to the good ol' days of
flipping, perhaps we should lube up our own rusty flipping skills and give
it a whirl!  I know I haven't flipped cards in probably 15+ years myself.  I
think it would be a hoot!  What do you think??

Happy Collecting!
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:29:08 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ChicoD1@aol.com
Date:   10/11/2002 7:52:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From:   Jrhatchjr@aol.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:50:21 EDT
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
=================

To: 
Subject: I'm back
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 21:31:32 -0400
From: 

Hello all,
I'm back. Missed me? I missed you all. I think my email situation is all cleared
up. I look forward to being an active part of the group again. I havemany
thanks to get to and some work to do on my web page. Good thing it's a
long weekend :)  Hopefully I'll be sending out some cardboard next week. Thanks
again to those who got me up and running again.

Robert Pigeon
=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:00:09 EDT
Subject: Trip's Travels!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - The U.S. Customs Service has called me into action once again and I
will be traveling to Washington D.C. on Monday to spend a week to prepare for
bigger trips overseas. I think (at least as it stands now) I will be
traveling to Europe starting in Nevember first stop Belgum.

I hope to have some time to see any and all OBCer's in the D.C. area. Please
call me on my cell phone (510) 378-4666 or call me at the hotel Marriott
Residence Inn Thomas Circle (202) 898-1100 to see if we can get together.

If any of you have travel information on Europe you would like to share I
would love to hear it. Margaret hopes to meet me on some of the trips!

Tripleplay (Rick)

=================

Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 19:51:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: ROBERT FARRELL 

I need to chime in on this one....
I can't tell you how many hours I spent in the
school yard pitching cards.  In Rhode Island we
"pitched", not "flipped".
As I remember we had four variations of pitch.

1. Leaners - the pitchers would toss their cards
towards a wall.  The first to get a leaner collected
all the cards tossed.

2. Nearsies - When you were short of time. (like when
the bell sounded but you still wanted to get a couple
more pitches in).  Simply the closest to the wall won
the tossed cards.  You would generally make a card
wager (closest gets 10 of the losers cards).

3. Farsies - Always a betting game.  The pitchers
would put up a stack of cards and the person who
pitched their card the farthest would win the pile.

4. Knockdown - By far the most fun game.  My personal
favorite.  The pitchers would lean a number of cards
against the wall (usually 2-4) and then take aim.  He
who knocked down the last card got all the pitched
cards.  Of course firing your cards at a wall from
6-10 feet away as hard as you could throw them wasn't
the best thing for their quality, but what did we
We played kneeling.  You could also borrow from the
pile if you were out of cards and the game was still
going on.

When you took all you opponents cards you could brag
that you "drilled" him. (or her).  We actually had one
girl in our group of friends who was really good.  I
remember her drilling me one day in a most memorable
game of knockdown.  I remember she won with her lucky
card (a 71 rudy may).
I eventually got my revenge.  I later drilled her and
I still have her lucky Rudy May card !

--- Jrhatchjr@aol.com wrote:
> Howdy gang!  I haven't rambled much lately, but
> noticed something that I just
> have to ask about...
> The OBC home page asks:
> "Remember when flipping and trying for leaners was
> the way you collected
> cards?"
> My answer to the question is YES.  I remember
> flipping cards in grade school.
>  In fact, I remember one fella who used to put a
> piece of bubble gum on the
> sole of his shoe and casually tried to step on a
> card if he wanted it.  When
> he wasn't caught the card would stick to the gum!
> I'm 32 years old and I'm
> guessing that my youth was the last generation of
> "flippers" that we'll ever
> see.  Can you imagine today's youth flipping slabbed
> Shaq's and A-Rod's
> against a wall?  Now that would be funny!  But I
> digress...
> I'm curious to know when the last time OBC folks out
> there flipped cards and
> tried for leaners.  I've often thought about somehow
> getting a group together
> and actually flipping cards against a wall.  Perhaps
> something like this has
> happened at a previous National or similar event -
> no...flying cardboard at
> an OBC swap session doesn't count :-)  It seems to
> me that if we ask visitors
> to our website to harken back to the good ol' days
> of flipping, perhaps we
> should lube up our own rusty flipping skills and
> give it a whirl!  I know I
> haven't flipped cards in probably 15+ years myself.
> I think it would be a
> hoot!  What do you think??
> Happy Collecting!
> Jim

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To: , 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 00:24:02 -0700
From: "Greg Conway" 

Growing up in Massachusetts, I learned two different flipping games. The
one we did at school (early 60s) was to spin them against a wall. The closest
card won. A leaner was the closest, a kissie just 'kissed' the wall with
a corner. I don't remember what we called a card that had the whole sidetouching.
I found my first card and turned it into a half dozen or so before
Mom bought me some a year or two later.
In 1964 a fella moved in behind me that taught me a different game. This
one we flipped against the wall but just kept flipping cards until one card
covered a part of another card. The thrower of the covering card took all
the cards thrown up to that point. I cleaned him out of all his '63s.
In the mid 60s I moved to California and taught my buddies there how toflip
but we ended up spending more time looking for pop bottles so we could
buy fresh packs and then we traded alot.

Greg (yaz)
----- Original Message -----
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 4:50 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Just wondering...

Howdy gang!  I haven't rambled much lately, but noticed something that I just
have to ask about...

The OBC home page asks:
"Remember when flipping and trying for leaners was the way you collected cards?"

My answer to the question is YES.  I remember flipping cards in grade school.
In fact, I remember one fella who used to put a piece of bubble gum on
the sole of his shoe and casually tried to step on a card if he wanted it.
When he wasn't caught the card would stick to the gum!  I'm 32 years oldand
I'm guessing that my youth was the last generation of "flippers" that we'll
ever see.  Can you imagine today's youth flipping slabbed Shaq's and A-Rod's
against a wall?  Now that would be funny!  But I digress...

I'm curious to know when the last time OBC folks out there flipped cards and
tried for leaners.  I've often thought about somehow getting a group together
and actually flipping cards against a wall.  Perhaps something like this
has happened at a previous National or similar event - no...flying cardboard
at an OBC swap session doesn't count :-)  It seems to me that if we ask
visitors to our website to harken back to the good ol' days of flipping,
perhaps we should lube up our own rusty flipping skills and give it a whirl!
I know I haven't flipped cards in probably 15+ years myself.  I think it
would be a hoot!  What do you think??

Happy Collecting!
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Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com
Subject: stupid human tricks
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

As far as leaners & such, I'm no good.  But I'd take cards to school
like those insert cards with advertising or reg playing cards & pass
them out.  FTR, over 100 people have tried in 28 years but nobody has
thrown further.   It's kinda like those stupid human tricks on
Letterman, you may be real good, but who cares!  Tried to pierce a
watermelon but couldn't do it.  In Guinness yrs ago & the record was
like 186 feet (playing card).  I can throw about 100 feet.
We also use to have battles.  I'd give 50 cards to each person & we'd
choose sides & whiz cards at each other.  We didn't use eye protection
either (idiots) but nobody ever got an eye hurt.
I'd talked with someone at Limerock cards about throwing cards at a
target or challenging people at $1 a throw (win $100) for charity on
Saturday at the Atlanta National in 92.  It was his idea & I was
excited!  Didn't they have some kind of card throwing upstairs on the
1st day?  I don't remember now (10 yrs later!) exactly what happened but
I did find their table at the show & it seems like the guy I had talked
to on the phone never got back to me with final details & wasn't there.
Former OBC member Al Autry went with me & I was ready, but it never
happened :-(   I think we waited in line over 2 hours, literally, to get
in the place!
Go SOONERS!  Go RAIDERS!

=================

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:45:03 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-THANKS@YahooGroups.com
Subject: Ken Goto/ Who collects what?/ Go Angels!
From: keithsummers@webtv.net

Ken Goto sends 2 Larry "Dr.K" Kenon cards, a George "Ice Man" Gervin & a
"Pistol" Pete Maravich card!  All 4 are in nice condition!
I checked out the new page & it looks good!  Thanks goes to Lynn &
Steve & anyone else who helped :-)
Go Angels!  Anybody but the Twins!  Pull for the Twins Big Al :-)

=================

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 14:28:21 -0400
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Frank Thomas (the original) letter - wantlist + signed
From: Dan Austin 

OBC -

I just got a nice letter back from our own Frank Thomas.  For those new in
the group, the original Frank Thomas (1951-1966) is an honorary member of
OBC.  Didn't know that?  A bit before my time, Frank apparently had a fire
at his home which destroyed his card collection (some of the old timers in
the group might be able to fill us in a bit more here).  Since then, Frank
has been adopted by OBC, and we've been helping his rebuild his run of
Topps sets.  Frank was once again nice enough to sign a few cards for me to
pass along to OBCers who would like an autographed Frank Thomas card.  I
have a '58 Topps and 2 '59 Topps "Danny's All-Stars" up for grabs if you
would like one.  Frank also put out another plea for helping him finish off
his sets.  He's down to some tough cards now (just 86 left to finihs his
Topps run), so I doubt hits will be coming fast and furious.  Maybe we
could pitch in and snag a few at shows or on eBay for him, or maybe one of
our "big spenders" has one or two available in their dupes box.  Here is
the list:  1952 Topps - all high numbers (311-407) except
313/316/317/368/385.  1953 Topps: 82/Mantle, 244/Mays.  Maybe we can dig up
a few '52 highs for him from the group?  All of these are going to be
tough, but if anyone wants to pitch in to do something for Frank, LMK.

- Dan

Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com
Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com
"How far that little candle throws his beams!
So shines a good deed in a naughty world."
- William Shakespeare

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Non-sport show report
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 22:40:18 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Well I know only about a dozen of you collect non-sport but I'm working on changing
that over time.   Anyway, this was the weekend for the twice annual
"Philly non-sport show" held in East Nowhere NJ.   Though advertised at the
intersection of Rt73 & Rt 140, its far from anything like a highway.   The
directions I had took my right past the First Union Center in Philly.  With
traffic and rain (and getting lost) , it only took my 4 hours to make the
150 mile drive.   Add to that the fact that I was up all night preparingfor
the show and left the house about 3 hours later than I expected and I was
in a lousy mood by the time I walked in at 6:30pm.   No discount for late
admission.   Its like these promoters think they are doing me a favor by"only"
charging $4 or $5.   Well, I'm going to start to do more through the

Anyway, the show was ok.  One dealer I looked forward to seeing was ill anddidn't
make it.   Three others were at the recent Fort Washington show so they
had little that I hadn't already picked through.    I did manage to find
a couple of Allen & Ginter cards for $1 (can't do that with baseball!!) and
a few Horrors of War.   This is a legendary (and infamous set) that I've
completed about 2/3 of.   Richard Hankins will be getting lots of my dupes
(100+ in a box around here) but I have others (some free, some dealer scum)
if anyone else wants to start this really cool set.   Today I went backto
the show.  Had hoped to see ex-OBCer Ralph Genova yesterday and the Grizzled
One (Howard Morgan) today but saw neither.   Made some good hits today
including 3 of the 4 cards needed for Lynn Miller's Naval Victories set. Unfortunately,
I didn't have time to go back and pay whatever it took to finish
his set for him.   Also found a bunch of cheap T53 Cowboys from my list
(but forgot to bring Dave Fallen's list).   I picked up one of the last3
T59 Flags of All Nations (but didn't have Erik Greenwood's list).

I have a large amount of stuff to put into my albums and redo my lists.    Its
a pretty good show but it will be better if (a) they move it to Fort Washington
PA (as is rumored) and (b) I remember to bring the lists of other OBCers
working on non-sports.

In the Dealer Scum category, there are some great catalogs out there where are
mandatory if you are going to have the "non-sport" habit.  "Price Guideto
the Non Sport Cards" has an encyclopedic listing of cards from various eras.
I have a couple of extra copies from "1930-1960" that I picked up for
$10 each.   Its an amazing read, with short essays for each of the sets (a
bit like SCD) and some longer essays on the major sets and trends from the
period.   One of my very long-term projects is to create electronic checklists
for non-sport cards, something I've seen nowhere else.   If you are working
on a set but don't want to buy the book, let me know and I will type
up a list for you.

Thanks for reading!

=================

Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 23:09:42 EDT
Subject: OBC Dues
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: topgolf@aol.com

The OBC FAQ reads:

> To cover the expense of our website hosting and domain name, dues are set at
> ten dollars per year payable December 1st. The OBCAC facilitator (non
> voting member) will notify the OBC membership prior to the due date, and
> advise the membership where to send payment. Any member who cannot afford
> this payment must notify an OBCAC member and dues payment shall be waived.
> Failure to pay dues or notify an OBCAC member of a financial hardship will
> result in removal from OBC Membership. If a person is admitted into OBC
> after December 1st, his/her first dues payment will be the same as the
> other members, the following December 1st.

Therefore, and because Doug Smith reminded me, this will serve as the dues
notice for this year.

Dues are $10 and can be sent via paypal to treasurer@oldbaseball.com or via
snailmail to Doug Smith, 2306 Woodmoor Lane, Colleyville, Texas 76034.  They
are due December 1.

Rest well,

=================

To: 
Subject: Availables
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 08:29:18 -0500
From: "wierzbickim" 

Hi, Gang!

Here are some availables:

1952 Bowman:  157 160 168 170 (all in poor condition with tape, paper loss,etc.)
1953 Bowman Color: 13 76 (also in poor condition)
1962 Topps: 122 (green tint)
1964 Topps: 207
1969 Deckle: 2 (Powell)
1970 Fleer World Series:  20

Also, I picked up a couple of interesting items at rummage sales.  One is abasketball
card game by Built-Rite/Warren.  I can't find a copyright date on
it.  Based on the artwork, it appears to be from the 1950s/1960s.  Does anyone
have an interest in this?

I also picked up a Cadaco All-Star Baseball game.  The box has a 1968 copyright,
but the instructions have a 1980 date.  The stadium is intact, and there
are plenty of player disks (including Babe Ruth and Robin Yount).  Doesanyone
collect these?

Best wishes,

Mike W.

=================

To: 
Subject: OBC Xmas/Holiday/Just Because Draw
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:12:03 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

It's probably time to be getting this organized, as quite a few of us need
time for the Ebay elves to help put something under the tree. For the new
kids, a quick explanation-  if you choose to participate, you will be given
the name of a "victim," and you send Holiday goodies....nothing too
extravagant...in the $10 range or so. The morning of Dec. 25th is a busy one
on the Thanks board...

Anyways, I have run this for the last couple of years, and due to upcoming
commitments, will not have the time to do it. So, Santa Grant is looking for
someone to take over this task. It IS a bit time consuming, you will have
plenty of emails to deal with. I think last year there were around 85 in the

What is needed here is for someone to fulfill a life-time fantasy....knock
the dirt off your spikes, and step up to the plate.

=================

Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:20:47 EDT
Subject: John Harrell; new e-mail address
To: OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com

John asked that I pass this on to the group s his new e-mail address.

=================

Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 14:06:50 EDT
Subject: Card identification
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: friar4@aol.com

I need a little help trying to identify a card I have. The card is a
portrait shot of Bob Johnson (I think he may be refered to as Indian Bob
Johnson in some circles). It is 1 1/2" x 2 1/2" and the back is blank. His
name, "BOB JOHNSON," is listed at the bottom of the card, but still within
the picture, which is a muted black and white. Also listed under the card is
the name of his team, "PHILADELPHIA A.L." in smaller block letters than the
name of the player.
I am not at all certain, but I believe it is from the mid-30's. I
have done some research, and, so far, I have eliminated all issues of Johnson
except 1935 Demaree Die Cuts R304 and 1937 O-Pee-Chee Batter Ups V300. I have
no idea what either of those sets looks like. Could it be one of those? Any
other ideas?

=================

To: 
Subject: New OBC Santa
Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 11:16:58 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

Many thanks out to Jeff Sackmann for being the guy who stepped up to the
plate. Santa just moved from Vancouver to Madison, WI. I'll try to update
him in the next Directory.

=================

Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 20:31:51 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Another two questions from the computer  illerate
From: "rayluurs" 

I have a couple of question concerning the server.   I have received
two emails from supposed OBC member that have had downloads.  I say
supposed because upon checking the there is one letter or symbol
slightly different thus causing me to delete them. However number
three has come and this one is title Re:{OBC Thanks}WEEKEND THANKS(it
looks like a post i sent yesterday thanking those who sent cards
yesterday.  It was a virus that my program caught and my son in law
says he cleared (i hope).  what bothers me about it beside the
obvious is that it came off the servor that i thought was protected
by passwords. Is this becoming a big problem as I know I not the
first this has happened too, and what can be done about it other than
when ever getting a email from an OBC name checking it with direcotry

2nd question Ihave concern V03 has a date been set.  I am about to
moe and qould like to tell my employer about taking time off from it
as i am now close enough to make trip (i think).

=================

Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 18:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Waiver Wire
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I have some cards from the 1970 Rold Gold/1972
Kelloggs ATG set that could use a good home:

'70 Rold Gold:
7 Lefty Grove
11 Tris Speaker

'72 Kelloggs ATG:
3 John McGraw
4 Mickey Cochrane
5 George Sisler
8 Pie Traynor
10 Eddie Collins

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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Date: 14 Oct 2002 03:34:53 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings

The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: What is your World Series prediction?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Twins over the Cardinals, 1 votes, 5.88%
- Cardinals over the Twins, 3 votes, 17.65%
- Twins over the Giants, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Giants over the Twins, 3 votes, 17.65%
- Angels over the Cardinals, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Cardinals over the Angels, 5 votes, 29.41%
- Angels over the Giants, 2 votes, 11.76%
- Giants over the Angels, 3 votes, 17.65%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Twins over the Cardinals
- cardclctor@aol.com
- Cardinals over the Twins
- nthomas@pol.net
- dan@iamdanaustin.com
- chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com
- Twins over the Giants
- Giants over the Twins
- talbot1@comcast.net
- scarter@multek.com
- tply@aol.com
- Angels over the Cardinals
- Cardinals over the Angels
- boreed@hotmail.com
- alcazar@sympatico.ca
- greenwood@integrity.com
- jwi62@hotmail.com
- hoot-owl@comcast.net
- Angels over the Giants
- Sweendoger@aol.com
- grains@dccnet.com
- Giants over the Angels
- keithsummers@webtv.net
- bdonaldson@callisma.com
- jsweet2@cox.net

For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings

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Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 05:05:51 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Poll results for OBC-Ramblings
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: HMorgan707@aol.com


Sumnmers, Donaldson and sweet have it right!! In six games!

=================

Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 16:18:18 EDT
Subject: Availables from the "Waitress'"
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- For those who watch the TV show CSI- Crime Scene
Investigation- on CBS--This Thursday on the show i have a small part as a
waitress in a scene that takes place in a hamburger place called- Tiny's
Island-When a criminal who happens to work in the diner is arrested  i am
seen as a waitress looking suprised standing next to the manager of the diner
in the background.i get small non -speaking roles in TV shows occasionally
through Central Casting where i recently registered- It beats the boredom of
my community services teaching job!                                 Now for
some availables-
T-205- Charlie Hanford- Jersey City- Minor League player- these gold borders
of minor league players have an elaborate border- with bats and balls and a
team insignia in border instead of a plain gold border of the major league
player cards        1948 Leaf Football # 38- Frank Dancewitz
1957-58- Topps Basketball # 68- Charlie Tyra- New York
Knicks                  1959 topps # 317- Hitting Kings- Ashburn-Mays
1972 topps hi # 690- Willie Montanez
1972 topps Football Hi # 350-Pro Action Rich Jackson
1953 topps hi # 237- Clarence Podbielan

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Kelloggs Checklists?
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:11:22 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Does anyone have an electronic checklist (with player names and possibly even
teams) for the Kelloggs sets?  I didn't see any in "checklist central".

=================

Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:38:18 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC Mini-meet
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

What we lacked in numbers we compensated for with enthusiasm!
As previously reported by Mike & Mark, we had a small OBC getogether at
a likewise small card show in the Detroit area. Besides myself, Mike
Rich and Mark Talbot, Ron Perry also attended, sans OBC hat. Mike was
able to vouch for him with the dealer so Ron got the OBC discount even
without his hat. Unfortunately, Mark is busier then a one legged man in
a butt kicking contest these days, and only spent about a half hour or
so with us. We all spent a lot of time rifling through the 50% off boxes
and walked away with a goodly amount of cardboard. I spent a lot of time
ducking cards tossed my way by Mike and to a lesser degree, Mark. How
they keep track of who collects what, amazes me. After the show, Mike,
Ron and I went to a local Family Diner for a bite to eat and some
conversation. We mainly discussed future card shows, particularly the
Toronto show, which I'm really looking forward to. Thanks guys for a fun

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2002 21:58:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: A call to Tiger fans!
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

I didn't mention in my post regarding the Detroit area card show, that
Mike, Mark, Ron and I signed a baseball to send to Rick! As well as the
signatures, it also has a Detroit Tigers logo on it. I know there are
more Tiger fans out there underneath those brown bags. Please identify
yourselves so that we can get more autographs for this most worthy
cause. If you are or ever were a Tiger fan, (listening to Ernie's
broadcasts counts) let me know and we will develop a plan to circulate
the ball. Thanks!

We keep what we give away!

=================

To: "VCT" ,
Subject: possibly affordable '52 Topps #311 on ebay
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 18:05:42 -0700
From: "John Collins" 

Ok, so it's still out of my price range, but this one will probably go for cheaper
than your average PSA graded example.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1868394680

=================

Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2002 22:21:36 EDT
Subject: wantlist update
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

i have made it to the website and update all my lists including my regular
list, obak, t-205, michael's '71, and '55 bowman...i also updated my phillies
monster list. check it out if you dare.

=================

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 06:33:33 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Bonds poll ends 10-18-02
From: "gtx_usa" 

Only 5 people have voted in the poll which is basically asking "How many career HRs will Bonds finish with?".  Poll ends 10-18 & is on pace to get the worst response of any poll in OBC history, which is about 11 or 12 I think :-(

=================

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:57:15 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Where's that Dave guy been lately?
From: "David Skoglund" 

Hello out there in vintage baseball card land. I haven't been too
active lately, and here's the reason.

Last spring my wife found out that her job with the State of
Minnesota was being eliminated due to the State budget crisis. Her
job would end at the beginning of September. So, with that in mind we
tried to cut back on some items. For me, that included cards.

September 3rd was her last day at her job. Over the summer she had
quite a few interviews and a couple of job offers. They all
represented a huge cut in pay and benefits, something we couldn't
handle so she was forced to turn them down and keep looking.

She had an interview for job with the State of Minnesota on September
26th. They offered her the job that morning and she accepted. That
was a good thing, because at the exact time she was at her job
interview, I was in a meeting where I was told that my position was
being eliminated. I worked for a software company that laid off 12%of
their staff (230 some people). I was there 8 years, and was one of
the most senior people in our group. I guess that means I was too
expensive since they kept the four people that started in the last

So, now it is my turn to job hunt and stay at home with our daughter.
I don't know that I'll have much time to be active this fall, but
I'll try.

Anyway, if anyone knows of any openings for technical writers in the
Twin Cities area, please let me know. Maybe some of you out there
work for big companies that might have an office in this area.

And now the recent (las 6 weeks or so) arrivals:

Todd Knowles =96 a 1958 Topps SCP

Kent Goto =96 1 1955 Bowman, and 18 (!) 1956 Topps

Peter Mead =96 one each of 1967, 1969, 1971, and 1978

Geno Wager =96 1978 Topps Dave Winfield

Lynn Miller =96 In addition to a very nice birthday card, Lynn sends 12
1960 Topps, 1 1965, 2 1968s, 3 1971s, 1 1972, and 3 1978s. Included
are such things as a Frank Howard RC, Rod Carew, Steve Carlton,
Johnny Bench, Thurmon Munson, and Brooks Robinson.

=================

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:03:21 EDT
Subject: the "chewed" card-Available
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda-i have a local card collecting friend who i talk to at the
weekly card shop bid board- he collects the 54 Topps set among others and was
constantly upgrading his cards- Apparently his daughter got a mouse or
hamster and the animal got at his set somehow and chewed a bunch of the
cards- i asked him to give me one of the "chewed " cards to give away to an
OBC trader- i wanted to give the card to an OBC member into the 54 set to
show him the condition of this friend of mines 54 topps set- this card is a
good example of all the cards in his 54 set- i have seen it- most of his
cards are minus these animal chews - fortunately- the card i have available
is # 141- Joe Jay- there is a mouse chew at the bottom left hand corner of
the card approx- 13 mm long and 7 mm wide- he also let me have the card
because there is a crease at the bottom- one of the few cards in his set he
said that has a crease and needs upgrading- i am working on the 54 set also-
i don't have a single card centered as well and with the flawless look of
this card- Linda

=================

Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:44:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: E-MAIL
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Storman 

please send all e-mails to my jstorman2001@yahoo.com
RATHER THAN johnstorman@bay.flrealtor.net. The second
is a business e-mail and I am having trouble keeping
it clear for Real Estate business. Thanks, John

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:46:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 50 Bowman
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Storman 

ANYONE OUT THERE COLLECTING 50 BOWMANS. I HAVE SOME
TO TRADE. I WOULD PREFER TO TRADE 50 BOWMANS FOR 50
BOWMANS BUT I'LL TRADE FOR ANYTHING ON MY WANTLIST.
THANKS JOHN STORMAN

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Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 17:47:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 50 Bowman
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Storman 

ANYONE OUT THERE COLLECTING 50 BOWMANS. I HAVE SOME
TO TRADE. I WOULD PREFER TO TRADE 50 BOWMANS FOR 50
BOWMANS BUT I'LL TRADE FOR ANYTHING ON MY WANTLIST.
THANKS JOHN STORMAN

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: BaseballReference Sponsorships
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 7:56:44 +0000
From: 

Hey guys!

You may recall that a few weeks ago, I mentioned that Stan Hack's page on the Baseball-Reference website (www.baseball-reference.com) was available for sponsorship at a cost of $15. Just thought I'd let you know that I am currently in the process of sponsoring this page on behalf of OBC. Sponsorship lasts one year, with the funds going to assist in the upkeep of what I believe to be one of the best baseball web resources out there.

We can add some text to the page - a short statement or message of some sort - so does anyone have any suggestions? Let me know!

In addition to Stan's page, I'm also going to sponsor my own HOM nominee, Dick McAuliffe, and Scotland's most famous baseball export, Bobby Thomson.

Page sponsorship costs as little as $10, and can be paid via PayPal. Why not check it out, and get a few more OBC mentions on this terrific site?

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: More on BaseballReference Sponsorships
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 9:56:00 +0000
From: 

Further to my earlier email, I had some spare time during my lunch hour to check up on which OBCHOM players were still available for sponsorship. Here’s the list:

For $5, you can sponsor: Bubba Church, Charlie Silvera

For $10 : Gus Bell, Jose Cardenal, Dean Chance, Vic Davalillo, Woody English, Johnny Groth, Johnny Grubb, Woodie Held, Billy Hoeft, Jay Johnstone, Willie “Puddin’ Head” Jones, Darold Knowles, Phil Linz, Roy McMillan, Don Mincher, Jim Nash, Jamie Quirk, Gus Triandos.

For $15: Clete Boyer, Bob Horner, Gene Mauch, Rick Monday.

For $20: Willie Horton, Kent Hrbek, Vada Pinson, Rick Reuschel, Reggie Smith.

For $25: Norm Cash

For $35: Don Zimmer

For $40: Ron Santo

If your player’s name doesn’t appear on this list, I’m afraid it’s because someone else has beaten you to it!

OBCer Andy Baran obviously got the jump on all of us, as he is already the proud sponsor of his man, Sid Gordon.

Cheers for now!

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 08:34:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BaseballReference on Jamie Quirk
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Obc Spike 

In case you're mulling the benefits that
BaseballReference.com sponsorship can provide,
consider this information cleaned from my HOM man
Jamie Quirk's page:

In 1984, he played for two teams, the White Sox and
the Cleveland Indians. His "stint" with the Indians
was the memorable experience of one game, one AB, one
hit, one HR (solo). He provided a sacrifice fly in
three games and two ABs for the White Sox, giving him
a season 1.333 slugging percentage and 2:1 plate
appearance-to-RBI ratio. Barry Bonds should be so
lucky--and he would certainly want more than the
league minimum!

Other wonderful Quirk facts ("quirks," I call them):
1. Most similar player in performance at age 26? Ken
Caminiti (I'm guessing pre-steroids)
2. Participated in five post-season series, including
1976 with the Royals (2-run triple!) and 1992 with the
A's, his final year in the bigs
3. Best known as a Royal, but spent 7 of his 18
seasons with other teams: Indians (<1), White Sox
(<1), Yankees (<1), Orioles (<1), Cardinals (1), A's
(3+), and Brewers (1)
4. Played every position but pitcher during career,
though his 6'4" size made catcher the ideal choice
5. Picked up 500th hit in his 17th season, at age 36

Naturally, I am gratified to see my HOM page as the
4th Google link for the search "jamie quirk."
Hopefully Jamie realizes that "Hall of Mediocrity" is
a sign of respect and recognition--I recall Rick
Monday being a little slow on the uptake.

Speaking of the Royals and Jamie, here's the story on
his unfortunate firing by Allan Baird in 2001, after
several years as the KC bench coach:
http://www.kcstar.com/item/pages/sports.pat,sports/3acd0b85.a09,.html

As the article mentions, he's been in baseball since
age 17 and isn't ready to retire (or financially
able). He was the bullpen coach for Texas in 2002,
which brings the unfortunate stress of having to work
with the Texas bullpen every day (um, OW).

I conclude with the best Quirk story ever, from the
MLB's biggest comeback prior to that 2001 M's-Indians

In Sept 1984, the Twins were beating Cleveland 10-0
but lost 10-11. Asked about his 2 out error that
opened the flood gates, Gary Gaetti said, "It's hard
to throw when both your hands are wrapped around your
throat."  Ron Davis gave up the final blow, Jamie
Quirk's HR. (Quirk had only 1 AB for Cleveland, a
4.000 slugging average).  The loss ended the Twins
playoff hopes.

This game was mentioned in the Royals' 25th
Anniversary Book 'Moments, Memories, and Miracles', as
Jamie Quirk's biggest claim to Royals fame (he has
many). Quirk had been released by the White Sox, and
was working as a coach before the Indians offered him
a contract. On his way to Cleveland in late August, he
stopped off to visit the Royals for Paul Splittorf's
retirement dinner.  At the dinner, he noted that the
Tribe was playing the Twins, the Royals' main
competition for the divisional title, in the
next-to-last series of the year, and promised the
Royals he would hit a home run against Minnesota to
beat them and help the Royals win the division.

Quirk did just that, in that incredible comeback from
a 10-0 deficit; having entered the game as a
pinch-runner, he hit a home run in his only at-bat all
season for Cleveland, winning the game 11-10 and
providing the Royals with some needed cushion on their
way to winning the division.

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:09:53 EDT
Subject: The Postman Cometh...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: kwg0@aol.com

Hi! All,
Another 46 packages went out today.
Enjoy, Kent

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, kwg0@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 21:05:42 -0700
From: "Geno Wagner" 

I noticed on Kent's wantlist the following line:

"I will take any San Francisco Forty-niner or Los Angeles Ram."

For me to get even with Kent I would have to actually send him a 49er, like
Jeff Garcia.  I don't mean a card, I mean the dude.  Do you think this is
what Kent means???

Geno Wagner
Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

----- Original Message -----
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/17/2002 7:10:00 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...

Hi! All,
Another 46 packages went out today.
Enjoy, Kent
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: OBC HOLIDAY GIFT EXCHANGE
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 05:01:45 +0000
From: "Jeffrey Sackmann" 

THE OBC HOLIDAY GIFT EXCHANGE!

It's fun, it's easy, and the end result is a gift for you!

For those of you who are new, it's just like a "Secret Santa" exchange,
where everybody who participates gets a gift, and gives a gift--secretly.

Here's how it works:

1. Send an email to ME: jeff_sackmann@hotmail.com telling me you'd like to
participate.  (It'd be helpful to me if you did so as a reply to this
e-mail, or with "OBC Holiday Card Exchange" in the subject line--but I don't
need a four-digit number, like the process used in the past.)

2. I will put you into my super-secret database, and my kittens (who are
experts in causing all types of chaos) will do their best to randomize the
process of who gets who.

3. I will send you an e-mail pretty soon (might be a few days, might be a
couple of weeks), telling you  who you will be sending a gift to.

4. You will have several weeks to find a gift for your designated recipient.

5. Mail the gift with enough spare time to ensure that the post office gets
it to its destination in time (especially if you're sending to a foreign
destination).  MARK CLEARLY on this envelope: "Do Not Open Until Dec. 25!"

6. On December 25th (12:01 AM is permissible), open your gift.  Send a note
to the OBC thank-you list AS SOON AS POSSIBLE (e.g. 12:02 AM).  A big part
of the fun of this process is the deluge of e-mail on the 25th.

Easy, right?

There are a few rules which will make your life easier and my life easier:

1. No kvetching about who you got.  (After all, somebody's gotta get
2. No kvetching about who you got.  (After all, somebody's gotta get
3. Keep your gift modest: if you're buying, $5 - $10 ONLY.  Some of the best
gifts traded in recent years have been of sentimentally valuable
memorabilia, even homemade!  It doesn't have to be a card, and it doesn't
have to be on a wantlist.
4. If you wish to participate, E-mail me by Nov. 20th AT THE LATEST.  (I
insist on this date to give people time to find gifts and ship them.)  The
sooner you e-mail me, the sooner I can assign you a recipient.
5. That's November 20th, you procrastinators.
6. Tips for the OBC Holiday Gift Exchange curator are welcome.

That's lots of rules, but it's really easy, and always a blast.  E-mail me
with any questions.

Jeff S.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 22:30:49 -0700
Subject: COBB
From: Peter Iversen 

I went with Denice's cousin Jim (my cousin in law I guess) a couple weeks
ago and saw a Play I wanted to recommend to all of you if it ever comes
your way.  It is called "COBB" - and is much better than the recent film
or anything else I have seen about the subject.  Very well written and
thought provoking - not just taking cheep shots or coming up with
simplistic answers - or judging on a one dimensional basis.  The best
thing I can say about it is after two weeks I am still thinking about it
and enjoying the experience.  The acting was also WONDERFUL!

The play COBB ran off Broadway for a while, won some awards and I think
that this was the first run of the play since then.  It closed here in LA
(actually Burbank at the Falcon Theater) a couple of days after I saw it.
I hope it comes back again so I can go again and maybe get some other
West Coast OBCers to come and see it with me.

The play is one act (a long act) and has three people who are playing Ty
- as a young ballplayer - a middle aged business man and an old mad about
to die.  They all interact with each other in ways I never thought would
'work' - but they really do.  There is one other character in the play
and that is Oscar Charleston ("The Black Ty Cobb") - who interacts with
the Cobbs from time to time in very interesting, funny and thought
provoking ways.  There is also some use of multi media stuff.

Anyone in the New York area see this play??  I hope all OBCers who are
interested in baseball in the early 1900's get a chance to see it!  Now I
REALLY have to find a way to get a T205 Cobb card for my set!!

Thanks for listening...

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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 06:08:00 -0400 (EDT)
To: illini90@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
From: Originaleek@webtv.net

Do you think you could get Garcia to autograph himself? Maybe those of
us who are indebted to Kent (like most of OBC) could kick in some.
Shipping alone would be astronomical.

We keep what we give away!

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Stan Hack has been sponsored!
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:03:29 +0000
From: 

Just a note to let you know that sponsorship of Stan Hack's page on the Baseball-Reference website has been purchased on behalf of OBC. You can check out the page at:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hackst01.shtml

It may take a few hours for the page to be updated with the details. I hope that the wording I chose is acceptable to the group. I think it can be edited if need be. Clicking on the sponsor's name will take users to the OBC Website.

Cheers for now!

Glasgow, Scotland

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To: Originaleek@webtv.net,illini90@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:07:25 +0000
From: 

How 'bout we get him graded and slabbed?

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From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Date: 2002/10/18 Fri AM 10:08:00 GMT
To: illini90@earthlink.net
CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,  kwg0@aol.com
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...

Do you think you could get Garcia to autograph himself? Maybe those of
us who are indebted to Kent (like most of OBC) could kick in some.
Shipping alone would be astronomical.

We keep what we give away!

=================

Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:47:27 -0400 (EDT)
To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com
Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
To: Originaleek@webtv.net, illini90@earthlink.net
From: 
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:07:25 +0000
Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
From: Originaleek@webtv.net
Date: 2002/10/18 Fri AM 10:08:00 GMT
To: illini90@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Postman Cometh...
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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: 1952 Topps Zernial
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:41 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Got the following message on the SABR list-serv yesterday.  Does anyone know
the story behind this card?

Date:    Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:26:32 -0500
From:    owens_helmer 
Subject: Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps?

SABR has cleared up countless baseball mysteries for me. Here is my ultimate
personal puzzler:
Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps card shows him holding up a bat with six
baseball's attached. He's making the "okay" sign with the other hand.
What is the story behind this card? Did Zernial have some six-homer feat
from 1951?
Thank you.
Thomas S. Owens

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Zernial
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:23:00 -0400
From: "Robert Reed" 

I believe the answer can be found on the back of his card.  It says "Gus
also tied the major league record for the most home runs in 3 straight games
with 6 circuit clouts..."  On May 17th, 1951 he actually hit his 7th in 4
games which tied another record.

The real question is How did they get the baseballs to stay there?

-Bob R.

>From: "Bob Donaldson" 
>Reply-To: 
>To: "OBC Ramblings" 
>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Zernial
>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:41 -0400
>Got the following message on the SABR list-serv yesterday.  Does anyone
>the story behind this card?
>Date:    Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:26:32 -0500
>From:    owens_helmer 
>Subject: Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps?
>SABR has cleared up countless baseball mysteries for me. Here is my
>personal puzzler:
>     Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps card shows him holding up a bat with six
>baseball's attached. He's making the "okay" sign with the other hand.
>     What is the story behind this card? Did Zernial have some six-homer
>from 1951?
>Thank you.
>Thomas S. Owens

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To: 
Subject: 50 1969s need a home- any want a starter set?
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 11:30:03 -0400
From: "ochiai" 

I still have about 50 1969s in nive vg shape, that I don't want to put back
in the box.  You show see the stacks of cards that still haven't been put
away.  Anyway, does somebody want a starter collection?  If you do, please
send me your address.
rob fitts

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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:53:22 -0400
To: boreed@hotmail.com ("Robert Reed"), OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Zernial
From: malsman250@cs.com

And the bigger question, as so eloquently asked in the "Flipping" book - Where did he get that pink t-shirt, anyway?"

"Robert Reed"  wrote:

>I believe the answer can be found on the back of his card.  It says "Gus
>also tied the major league record for the most home runs in 3 straight games
>with 6 circuit clouts..."  On May 17th, 1951 he actually hit his 7th in 4
>games which tied another record.
>The real question is How did they get the baseballs to stay there?
>-Bob R.
>>From: "Bob Donaldson" 
>>Reply-To: 
>>To: "OBC Ramblings" 
>>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Zernial
>>Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 08:27:41 -0400
>>Got the following message on the SABR list-serv yesterday.  Does anyone
>>the story behind this card?
>>Date:    Wed, 16 Oct 2002 13:26:32 -0500
>>From:    owens_helmer 
>>Subject: Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps?
>>SABR has cleared up countless baseball mysteries for me. Here is my
>>personal puzzler:
>>     Gus Zernial's 1952 Topps card shows him holding up a bat with six
>>baseball's attached. He's making the "okay" sign with the other hand.
>>     What is the story behind this card? Did Zernial have some six-homer
>>from 1951?
>>Thank you.
>>Thomas S. Owens
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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 16:05:20 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Zernial
To: Malsman250@cs.com, boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

the bat is actually at the HOF from my understanding...they nailed the balls
to the bat...there was an article some time back in scd about the
card...can't remember when though.

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Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:02:51 EDT
Subject: Wilminton, MA GBSCC show
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Greetings all,

Just a friendly reminder for my New England neighbors (and those that happen
to be in the area) that the annual GBSCC "Shriner's" show is November 1-3.  I
already know of a few folks who will be there (Spike, Bob D, Robert, Steve
R).  My plan is to be there parts of Friday and Saturday.  As has become
tradition, I suggest that we have our OBC lunch/swap session in the dining
hall Saturday at noon.  I'm also going to try and organize a flipping contest
for those who are interested - hopefully the first of many.  For those in the
area who haven't been, this show is (in my opinion) by far and away the best
show in New England.  Hope to see you there!

Happy Collecting!

=================

Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 18:30:16 EDT
Subject: flipping
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

I know I am not all that timely with replies lately but my two cents on

When i was young we played three different flipping games...

the first was you each leaned two cards against a wall. The first person to
knock both cards down got all the cards on the ground.

the second was the standard leaner game...flip a card, if it leans you get
everything on the ground.

the last was called pile up....put a card on the ground about 10 feet
away...toss cards...the person to cover the last part of the card visible
gets all cards on the ground.

I was best at the third game...the last time I flipped was at the National a
few years back in Anaheim at the swap session...soon it went on to pitching
pennies...i think Rick Ellison cleaned several of us out.

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To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" 
Subject: Just when you think you've seen it all...
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 20:57:21 -0700
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

Some of you may have seen this.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1868025490

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site-
I just think it's very, very cool)

=================

Date: 19 Oct 2002 07:36:36 -0000
From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Poll results for OBC-Ramblings

The following OBC-Ramblings poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:

POLL QUESTION: How many career HRs (reg season) do you think Bonds will have when the 2009 season ends?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Won't pass Mays., 0 votes, 0.00%
- 660 (ties Mays), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Will pass Mays., 1 votes, 12.50%
- 670+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 680+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 690+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Won't get 700., 2 votes, 25.00%
- 700+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Won't pass Babe., 0 votes, 0.00%
- 714 (ties Babe), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Will pass Babe., 2 votes, 25.00%
- 727+, 2 votes, 25.00%
- 742+, 1 votes, 12.50%
- Won't pass Hank., 0 votes, 0.00%
- 755 (ties Hank), 0 votes, 0.00%
- Will pass Hank., 0 votes, 0.00%
- 765+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 777+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 784+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Won't get 800., 0 votes, 0.00%
- 800+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 855+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 880+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 888+, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 900+, 0 votes, 0.00%

INDIVIDUAL VOTES
- Won't pass Mays.
- 660 (ties Mays)
- Will pass Mays.
- chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com
- 670+
- 680+
- 690+
- Won't get 700.
- Sweendoger@aol.com
- obc_spike@yahoo.com
- 700+
- Won't pass Babe.
- 714 (ties Babe)
- Will pass Babe.
- hoot-owl@comcast.net
- dan@iamdanaustin.com
- 727+
- grif@psci.net
- talbot1@comcast.net
- 742+
- keithsummers@webtv.net
- Won't pass Hank.
- 755 (ties Hank)
- Will pass Hank.
- 765+
- 777+
- 784+
- Won't get 800.
- 800+
- 855+
- 880+
- 888+
- 900+

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Feedback on Burdick Article and more info
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 08:02:04 -0500
From: "George Vrechek" 

I've gotten email as a result of my two articles on Jefferson Burdick and the
ACC which appeared recently in SCD (and is now on the OBC Library page).For
those of you interested, here are a few of the emails as to other information
on Burdick et al.
George Vrechek
Hi George,
I enjoyed part one of your article on Burdick in SCD. I haven't gotten the
issue with part 2 in it yet. Thank you for the kind words about my book,
that was nice of you to put that in.

Since my book came out, I have found out a lot more about Burdick. A couple
of things that might be of interest to you is that he did attend at least
one baseball game, so that New York Times article was wrong about that. I
don't know how much he knew about baseball, but I do believe he followed
the sport to some degree. He mainly was interested in cards, but he had
other interests as well, mostly sprouted from his study of the cards.

When I contacted the Met in 1988 when I was writing my book, I asked them
for a picture of Burdick and was told they didn't have any. That surprised
me since he was alive for 15 years after he initially donated his
collection to them. They had ample opportunity to take his picture, but
didn't. I guess that says something about how much they valued his collection.

There was some controversy about his pasting down the cards in the albums.
Some other collectors were against this, but Burdick decided to do this as
this was the best method he could come up with for displaying the cards. He
reasoned that in the future they could be soaked out if need be. He only
pasted down cards with non-descriptive backs, I believe. Burdick didn't
value the backs particularly, and said on more than one occasion that he
thought cards that were found in albums should just be pulled out rather
than soaked out if the backs were non-descriptive. I am kind of surprised
at this, and I'm sure not all collectors agreed with this even back then,
but he probably handled too many cards to painstakingly remove every one in
the best method possible.

When I was at the Met in 1988, I was able to look at some albums. That was
very interesting to me in your article that you are not allowed to do this
anymore. There wasn't a very good system in place then for looking at the
cards, and I am not completely surprised that some cards may have been
stolen from the collection, though that is sad if that happened. Do you
know some of the cards that were stolen?

I noticed that you gave credit to Lionel Carter in your credits. Have you
had contact with him lately. I haven't heard from him in over a year and
just wanted to make sure he is OK.

Best Regards,
-Troy Kirk

Dear Sir: Just finished reading your SCD articles on
the father of card collecting. Years ago I met and
associated regularly with Victor H. White. Victor
was a pioneer collector mostly in postcards. He
had visited Burdick I believe right after WWII.
He also visited Charles Bray more than once.
You will notice Victor's name on page 11 of the
1967 edition of the ACC. Victor told me the place
where JR lived was small But completely stocked
with insert/trade/postcards etc. They were stored
on shelves from floor to ceiling and the aisles
were narrow as room space was scarce. Victor, a
tall and slender type mentioned JR was a small guy
who was one of a few who could get around the
crammed space. Victor said as soon as the front
door opened you saw shelving-aisles of cards.
Victor mentioned JR took-up living quarters
not far from the museum.
He mentioned that evening when JR told the
curator the final card has been catalogued and
walked home went to bed and never awoke again.
Apparently, that's not exactly true but the yarn
was spoon via Charles Bray to Victor and 10 years later
I'am sure Victor applied his magic to the version he
told me.
I also, bought and traded with Charles Bray and
Buck Barker....but if your doing another story
most readers will probably like to hear about a
fellow named Hendericks or Henderson. Just look
in back on Street & Smiths from the late 1950's
to late 1970's for ATC (ARROWHEAD TRADING CO.)
or BIG LEAGUE GAME CO.,Superior St.,Duluth,MN.
I'll shed more another time.

Dear George ......Thanks for your recent article in SCD about the early days
of the hobby. If you want some information on Charles Bray I could help you
out a little. I met him several times in his later years when he was still
doing his auctions from his house. Please let me know if your interested as
I would be glad to help you out, as I liked Mr. Bray very much. Best
Regards, John T. McLean

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Where's Saint Al???
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 10:35:23 -0700
From: "Geno Wagner" 

OBCers --

Did Al go on vacation, or his he off driving aimlessly?  I emailed him for
his wantlist a couple of times and haven't got a response.  Maybe he's a
weapons inspector getting ready to head to Iraq or something.  I'll keep my
eyes on the back of my milk carton and keep you posted...

Take Care, Geno

Geno Wagner
Why Wait?  Move to EarthLink.

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Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 18:18:15 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Availables
From: "jimbo777777" 

Howdy folks,

Got a couple of ebay lots in this morning.  After sifting through,
filling holes and upgrading, the following are available.  Have
at 'em!

'63 Post Baseball, condition ranging from poor to excellent:  25 57
79 89 93 103 139 154 157 161 96 144.

'73 Kelloggs Baseball:  1 2 8 9 11 13 23 26 31 32 36 37 41 42 44 45 47

Also, still have some leftovers from last week's waiver wire.  Don't
be shy!

'62 Post Baseball:  93 132 76 48 193 96 13 66
'61 Post Baseball:  15 44 32 124 150 79 177 199 152 100 78 56 17 34
120 140 16 98

'76 Kelloggs Baseball:  24 (Yaz)

'79 Kelloggs Baseball: 40 49 41 2

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To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Show report
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:44:21 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

Yesterday was the start to a local three day show held 4 times in year in Chantilly
VA, about 45 minutes from me.   It took me a bit longer to get there
as I forgot how to get there and ended up learning where the Manassas Civil
War Battlefield site is.   I think these same directions have been offered
to Mac Wubben who I hope ignored me.  

The show starts at 2pm but I usually try to get there around 8am so I can help
a friend unload his van and set up.    I missed out on the hard work this
time but got to see him anyway.   He's a memorabilia and autograph guy now.
I asked him for an American League ball so I can collect some signatures
from OBCers to deliver to Rick Redpath next month.  Turns out they don't
make AL balls anymore so I had to settle for an NL ball.   Settle?   I paid
NINE BUCKS!   It didn't feel like I was settling!   I will start collecting
signatures tomorrow when some local OBCers come over.

At my first stop, I went through a shoe box of OPC baseball cards, hoping to
find some hits for tough lists.  Just came up with one from '76 for Dan Austin.
Then I saw a cool box labelled "off grade hall of famers".   My "gift"
budget is near zero and none really stuck out as "had to buy on the hope
that someone else would re-pay me".   But I did strike gold looking through
his other stuff.   Don't you just love being the first guy who comes upwhen
a dealer has just picked up a cheap Seaver RC?   Well, maybe it neverhappens
to you but its happened a couple times to me in the past month.   Note
to self: Build that darned dealer scum website.  You can't eat cards!The
other highlight was a Koufax RC, previously owned by someone who maynot
have been a Koufax fan, by the look of the card.   Also found a cheap Red
Heart Snider, '63 Bombers Best, '56 Snider and Koufax, 68 Clemente and Clemente
AS (Glenn!) and one or two others.    So my budget was shot right there,
I figured.

But to those who know me, they shake their heads (in disgust?  amazement?) when
they realize that if people will keep taking my checks, I'll keep writing
them.   So next I went to see William Chappell.   He's slowly building his
reputation as an OBC dealer.   He's the only guy who ever had a PILE of'48
Leaf SPs.  Thanks to an OBCer who may wish to remain anonymous, there are
only three left in that pile.  Let me know if you want to contact him. William
always has a showcase of stuff in big heavy screwdowns -- a signal
to me that I shouldn't even bother looking and then another showcase withmore
reasonably priced cards.   I'm on the lookout for a 41PB DiMaggio forBob
Donaldson and saw one for $500.   Personally, I'd pay about $100 for aDiMaggio
card (being a Sox fan) but I'll let Bob decide if that one is worth
it.   I looked at the other stuff William had.    Boy was in for a shock.
He had SEVEN of the Red Sox from the E-91-C set, including Harry Hooper,Tris
Speaker and Smoky Joe Wood.   Again, way over my budget but when willI
ever see these again?  Gee - have yoi ever seen a few from this set sideby
set?    Every guy looks the same!!   Other than the type of glove or the
pose, there is no way you could actually know who you had if the name were
covered up.    Hmm.   Maybe I can add my own Babe Ruth card to this set with
the help of a scanner and a color printer.    

And the story isn't over yet.   Next stop -- Ron Barrett.   Ron is one of OBCs
favorite dealers though he doesn't do anything outside of shows.    Andy
Cook and I have known Ron for about 6 or 7 years I think and he's become a
real friend.   I've been pestering Ron for a couple of years to let me come
over and see what he has in his basement.   Supposedly it has everythingand
anything though nothing is organized.   About once a year, Ron puts together
a "bargain box" that Andy and I feast one like piranas.   The best find
yet, a 34 Diamond Star Lefty Grove that went for $100 below what you could
expect to pay.   Ron prices most of these using the "sunk cost" rule --
whatever he gets is profit.   My budget at this point is ZERO, meaning I only
pulled  the really good stuff  including a '53 Bowman for $1, $33 Goudey
for $1, the third 50 Bowman Reese to be added to my dupes box (!), some
$5 T206s and some unmentionables.   Ron also keeps an extensive inventory
of high grade (ex) commons at reasonable prices so I always check them out
when I'm getting close on some sets.   I actually found the 62 Topps DickStuart
(to replace the one I lost) and the 62 TOpps Dick Stuart GREEN TINT(my
second to last green tint) in his commons box.   I swear that Stuart is
a tough card to find.   I probably paid more for Stuart ($2 or $3) than Idid
for any of the other green tints, except for guys like Kaline.   But it
was worth it, IMHO.

This show is slowly sinking.   Dealers seem to be pulling out for lack of business,
lack of advertsing, who knows what else.   In fact, I heard that about
a dozen dealers pulled out because of the recent sniper activity in this
area.   Best that I can tell, there was no sniper activity while I was at
the show so I think they would have been safe.      I suppose that joke
may be in poor taste to those who are really spooked by this stuff.

Back to the show report.   Because of the lack of dealers, Ron Barrett was given
a couple of extra tables.   After two years of pleading to see his basement
where you can find everything and anything, I was finally invited over
to see it.    We picked up a bunch of crappy UV sets for him to sell plus
a few other things.   I ended up with some sort of Bobby Doerr picture plus
one of the re-made (?) Hartland statues of Ted Williams.    I don't think
there is lots of OBC grade material down there but I saw piles of Hostesspanels,
odd balls, pubs and everything else.   And I think I've found a potential
buyer for most of the crap so my chance may come when I can spend more
time down in his basement.   Ron is concerned that (a) once he lets me in,
I will never leave and (b) I'll end up buying EVERYTHING in sight.   I think
he's coming around to the belief that I can show restraint in both departments.
Note to Ken and others: Please don't call Ron and tell him otherwise.

Well, I figured I'm about done at the show.   Of course, I wasn't.  I founda
guy that had a few good things (highs from '65, '71) in a dollar box.   I
went back to William Chappell's table and saw that he had put out a hugestack
of Parkhurst hockey.    After I sorted out everything, I ended up with
about 10 hits to my sets.   I prolly overpaid a bit -- by paying 15% of BV
instead of less than 10% but the stuff is getting harder and harder to find
unless I want to buy single cards on ebay and deal with a $1.29 for a money
order to Canada plus $2 shipping.   As I was sorting out the Parkies, I
saw another local guy who I needed to see.   This guy is a "small-time" dealer
so his name isn't important to pass along.   But he does seem to findpretty
good stuff that he passes along.    From his $5 pile, I got a '54 Topps
Martin, '71 Clemente and '62 Post Mantle plus a cool Unitas item for Ed
Schott.  Also got a '54 Topps Berra for $10, a Jello Berra and Cepeda, '66
Murcer RC (Lynn Miller), and a few really cheap team cards.   And so I will
sneak in an announcement:  I am going to start up a team  card collection.
I'm interested in all your team cards, preferably unmarked.   Eventually,
I will want them (and the ones in my sets) unmarked.

Ok, so now I am REALLY done at the show right?  Wrong!   I stop back to seeWilliam
Chappell one or two more times.   The first time, I see a stack ofcheap
'34 Goudey high numbers.  Picked up two for my set.  The rest are available
on an "I owe" or "dealer scum" basis.   My last purchase from him came
from his "$1-$5" box.   I picked up the next-to-last Callahan common I need,
an sweet looking '65 OPC Billy Williams (Dan Austin), a Wade Boggs candy
wrapper (well, that's "unmentionable" but still cool!) and a John Riggins
sticker for Mark Z.   Since I had a few more checks left with me, I continued
to look around.   Some guy wanted $10 for any of his T218s.   I needed
others but the only one worth it was a Jack Johnson, who I think is the toughest
boxer in that set.   And I found a non-sport guy I had met on ebay.We
talked a while   He told me he has a HUGE inventory of baseball cardsin
crappy condition so eventually I hope to check them out in the next year
or so (as he cleans up / renovates his basement).   In the meantime I hope
to buy / trade non-sports with him.

If anyone is looking for one or two commons and can pay full book (or more),
I know a great source.   These two old people (who looked like they were 65
when I first saw them almost 10 years ago) bring monster box after monster
box after monster box of commons to shows.   They have so much they can't
even bring it all.    Here I finished my 198_ football sets (woohoo!) plus
Brian Dwyer's 1979 baseball set.   Is there anything like finishing THREEsets
at a cost of $2.50 ?

Hmm.  This report is taking up as much time to write as it was to live.  But
I promise I am almost done.   Levi Bleam (707 Sports cards) occasionally makes
it to this show.    My experiences with him have been mixed, which isprobably
better than the OBC average.    If you looked up "notorious" in the
dictionary, you'd see his picture.   He's given me the same deals everyone
else gets, but some how I seem to be able to find the ones I can live with.
Levi is notorious for buying up every '52 high number (and '52 MANTLE)
at a show and then marking it up 100% above the already high price someone
else has charged.   The result is a truly-mind blowing inventory where you
can actually buy every single '52 Topps high number in one swell foop but
often you will pay FAR above what you are used to.    A few years ago I got
all nine '52 Topps Red Sox high numbers for my Red Sox team card set at one
shot.   I am still friendly with Levi though I hardly ever buy from himanymore.
When I needed to sell some sets, I didn't think about going to see
him which was my mistake.    The sets I sold to one guy ended up with Levi.
You can count how many risk-free dollars I put in the first guys pocket.
*sigh*     Anyway, for a lark, I thought I'd see if he had any Playball
Williams cards I can afford.   I still need a '39 Playball Williams (Ted's
RC), '40 Playball Williams and '41 Playball Foxx to finish another stage of
my monster Red Sox collection.   Its at 3 or 4 binders now, which is probably
5% of the size of Josh's Phillies collection, but I still think its impressive.

Well, Levi had a '40 Playball Williams that I couldn't pass up.   For $200 I
got a card with a totally clean front, a square inch of paper missing from
the back and the rest of the back covered with paper and glue.   Shortly I'll
start the process of restoring the card.   I know some people like boiling
and soaking their cards to remove paper/glue but I prefer old fashioned
spit.   I really don't like the idea of soaking the entire card and then having
to press it flat and hoping there is no other water damage.   I'll have
to shop around (or ask for a scan) of the back so I can see what text I'm

Oops.   One more buy I want to report....    The non-sport guy had a pile (about
30 or so) of '48 Bowman basketball that looked promising.   I got a #1
for $10 and about 6 or 7 others for $5 each.    When Andy Cook and Dan Austin
come over to my house tomorrow, I will let them fight over who can buythem
from me at that price.  

So that's the end of this report -- the longest ever by someone who takes their
hat off in public.   I hope you enjoyed reading it.   I enjoyed writing
it (and living it).    I do have a "post-show why did I spend all that money"
hangover but I only go to a show like this once a week.   Ooops I meant
MONTH.    So it was worth it.

So -- should I go to Pittsburg next week?   Toronto in November?   Just howout
of control can I become?   Someone better take away my checkbook and my
keys.  hahahaha

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To: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Oddball Availability - Boston Herald & RC Cola Iron-On's
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:18:28 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

Sorry for the delayed response.  I've been busy with the new baby.  She's
sleeping now ;-)

I've a few of the cans, but no Rice.  Whenever, I've seen them, which isn't
often, they are pretty cheap though.

I think I had the Rice card.  It was about 3x5, of newspaper, and a head
portrait drawing in black and white.  I can't remember who I gave it too but
it was someone in OBC about 1 year ago.

Don't know anything about the Me Iron On's

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood [mailto:greenwood@integrity.com]
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:44 PM
To: OBC Ramblings
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Oddball Availability - Boston Herald & RC Cola

I am inquiring if someone has information regarding the scarcity of the
1975 Boston Herald set and, 1978 RC Cola & Me Iron On's.  I am pretty
close to completing my Jim Rice collection, except the proliferation of
bat/jersey cards by Fleer - they seem to have a Rice memorabilia card in
every set.

My primary medium for collecting is ebay, and I have not seen them
there.  I am not sure exactly what form the Boston Herald is in.  I
pulled the checklist from Beckett, which provides, incidently, a fairly
exhaustive list.

If anyone can provide a description of the Boston Herald set, and the
scarcity of the aboves sets, it would be appreciated.

Erik Greenwood

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To: 
Subject: RE:1952 Topps Zernial
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 17:56:22 -0400
From: "GEORGE MOORE" 

The real question is How did they get the baseballs to stay there?

Any good StarTrek fan knows the answer to this question....

On a recent episode of Enterprise, Topol, a Vulcan, tells a story about her
second foremother landing on Earth in Pennsylvania, in the early 50's due to
a ship malfunction. When she and her crew  are rescued, the foremother
trades some "stuff" to one of the earth people for a sum of money to finance
a young man's college education.

This stuff that was used to affix the baseballs to Gus Zernial's bat was

=================

Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 19:11:17 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where's Saint Al???
To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - Saint Al is wondering again and actually managed to find my home last
night! Margaret and I had a great visit with Al, Dottie and their friend last
night. Today he is attending a High School reunion in the Bay Area and plans
on heading home tomorrow.

=================

To: 
Subject: The Big Show
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 16:39:42 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 

This is just for luck....go Halos!!!!!

=================

Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 22:03:15 EDT
Subject: Wantlist
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com

hi- this is Linda- how do i post my want list to the OBC site-? at present it
is blank-i get to a page update login which asks for a login name and
password- i don't know what my login in name and password are- who do i
contact so i can get my want list at the site and how do i put it there?-

=================

To: "Ramblings" ,
Subject: Red Sox baseball card wantlist
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2002 23:23:33 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I want to start a project to create a comprehensive (well, as much as we can
figure out) vintage Red Sox baseball checklist.   Josh Levine has done this
for the Phillies.   I know there is demand for one from Red Sox fans -- not
just me.  If you are interested in helping with or benefitting from this
project, let me know.    Anyone can help, whether you are a Red Sox fan or
not and whether you own the cards or not.   All you need is a little bit of
time and perhaps some ingenuity.   I have some ideas about how to do theresearch
but I don't think I can do this singlehandedly.   I am sending this
message out to one Red Sox collector I know outside of OBC.   If you know
of others, please ask if they want to be included in the project.

I hope to hear from a few eager Red Sox fans (and others).

=================

Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 13:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OK experts...
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

I have been asked by a fellow collector about Canadian
Goudey cards, and I haven't been able to find a good
way to tell the cards apart from their American

Do any OBCers know where I can find some good info
about these sets?

Take care,

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:01:18 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox baseball card wantlist
To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Eng710@aol.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

sure...take the easy way out...ask for help...i spent nearly 2 years working
almost 1 hour a day on my list...i had almost no help!! oh well...let me know
what i can do to help

=================

To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox baseball card wantlist
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:08:41 -0700
From: "Geordie Calvert" 

to follow Josh, I would post on the various message boards out there - there's
gotta be some other hardcore Sox collectors that have already started on
one of these.

by the way - Peter, weren't you working on a Dodger one once upon a time?

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this site-
I just think it's very, very cool)

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Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox baseball card wantlist

sure...take the easy way out...ask for help...i spent nearly 2 years working
almost 1 hour a day on my list...i had almost no help!! oh well...let me
know what i can do to help

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To: "Chris Stufflestreet" ,
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OK experts...
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 00:18:40 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 

The so-called "Canadian Goudeys" were actually put out by "World Wide Gum of
Montreal", which is printed on the back.

The 1933 Set (V353) is 94 cards, whose fronts are identical to their Goudey
counterparts.  Cars 1-52 have the same numbering as the Goudey.  #s 53-94
have a different numbering scheme.  Cards are in either English or English
and French.

The 1934 (V354) set features 96 cards.  Numbers 1-48 are similar to the 33
Goudey set and 49-96 have the "Lou Gehrig says" front.  Player selection is
different from the America Goudeys.

The 1936 set (V355) has 134 cardds.  The cards have b&w pictures on the
front with portrait and action photos.  The players name is printers in a
white box on front.  Like the 33 & 34 sets the backs say "World Wide Gum

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Stufflestreet [mailto:chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 4:09 PM
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OK experts...

I have been asked by a fellow collector about Canadian
Goudey cards, and I haven't been able to find a good
way to tell the cards apart from their American

Do any OBCers know where I can find some good info
about these sets?

Take care,

I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards.  To view my online
wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html

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To: geordie@mercednet.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:53:01 -0700
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox baseball card wantlist
From: Peter Iversen 

Yep - I have started a modest Dodger list - mostly just major sets from
1980 back to 1880 something...  Not at all comprehensive - nor as
exhaustive as Josh's - Anyone who wants a copy is welcome....

Wouldn't it be great if we had a database on the website where we could
all go and put in the cards and teams for all the various sets we have
collected (actually in hand) or are SURE about...  I'll bet that would be
a great start for anyone's Team Set...  I know I put that information in
my Card Collector database for all the cards I have - and I'll bet that
most of you have ways you keep track of that as well - weather the cards
you have are from a team you 'collect' or not.  Steve - is that at all
possible to do with the current set up we have on the website or....??

On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 21:08:41 -0700 "Geordie Calvert"
 writes:
to follow Josh, I would post on the various message boards out there -
there's gotta be some other hardcore Sox collectors that have already
started on one of these.

>>by the way - Peter, weren't you working on a Dodger one once upon a

http://www.interviewwithgod.com/newmovie.htm (no, I didn't create this
site - I just think it's very, very cool)

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Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox baseball card wantlist

sure...take the easy way out...ask for help...i spent nearly 2 years
working almost 1 hour a day on my list...i had almost no help!! oh
well...let me know what i can do to help

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:01:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: 1969 Topps stamp album starter on eBay
From: "obc_spike" 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1869977689&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1

Rotman Auctions is starting a package of most of the stamp albums and
a bunch of extra stamps for $10 (plus the steep Rotman shipping). Not
bad for that kind of starter, though. Make sure to send the extra
stamps to ME! :)

=================

To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: Link to some terrific photos of baseball's all-time greats!
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:38:20 +0100
From: "Glenn Codere" 

To steal a phrase from a certain Phillies Phan - Baseball pix are cool!

Check out this page featuring some fantastic photos of baseball's all-time
greats. I particularly think that the one of Joe Morgan is superb!

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/bbmugs1.html

Glasgow, Scotland

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:52:59 EDT
Subject: Factory sets missing cards
To: Smartalecx@aol.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com

i have noticed in the past few weeks several emails regarding cards that were
missing from factory sets.  i assume that these sets were sealed, and when
opened by the owner, it was discovered that a card was missing.

i had always assumed that sealed sets were worth more than "hand collated
sets", so i never bothered to break the seal and check for missing cards.  so
i have two questions:

am i right in assuming that a sealed set is more valuable than a hand
collated set?

given that, should i still open the sets to make sure they are complete (i
guess if they are never opened no one would ever know if a card was missing)?

gary mandell

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: "Traded" HOMers and others
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:27:53 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I'm stilling looking at a large box of cards, every one of which has writing
on them.   At one point, I looked through them and pulled out a few HOMers,
Johnny Callison, Gus, Roy McMillan, Don Mincher.    If you have an HOMerand
wouldn't mind getting "traded" cards, let me know.    There might be afew
left from the '50s but 97% of these cards are from the 60s.   Hmm - who
collects Maris?  I think I saw a '65 Maris in there today.

=================

To: "Ramblings" 
Subject: Gilligan, you've done it again
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:56:27 -0400
From: "Steve Rittenberg" 

I think I will (in a self-deprecating way) start calling myself "Gilligan".Each
week I discover another screw-up: another card or two missing from my
sets.    Last night I discovered a 1958 Topps Luis Aparicio is gone.   If
you have an extra , let me know and I will reward you appropriately.   This
was the only yellow team variation I had but I don't need a yellow team variation
as a replacement.

Right now, I have to go find someone willing to smack me on the head with abeach

Little Buddy
=================

Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:05:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gilligan, you've done it again
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Chris Stufflestreet 

Sounds to me like Steve has a phanton...Instead of
merely haunting his house, he'll go through Steve's
cards and take one away...because he KNOWS it's going
to really screw with him!

Maybe he'll go away after Halloween.

--- Steve Rittenberg 
> I think I will (in a self-deprecating way) start
> calling myself "Gilligan".   Each week I discover
> another screw-up: another card or two missing from
> my sets.    Last night I discovered a 1958 Topps
> Luis Aparicio is gone.   If you have an extra , let
> me know and I will reward you appropriately.   This
> was the only yellow team variation I had but I don't
> need a yellow team variation as a replacement.
> Right now, I have to go find someone willing to
> smack me on the head with a beach hat.
> Little Buddy

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Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 18:27:46 EDT
Subject: ebay finds for a penny anyone?
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com

Occasionally, cards on ebay will slip through for ridiculously low prices.
I'm sure we've all had our share of bargains resulting from whatever forces
are at work at that particular time.  But, have you ever won any cards on
ebay for a penny?  Now, I'm not talking about someone offering some card you
can find in a dollar bin at any show for .01 and then charging $5 for
shipping.  I'm talking about cards you may have won for one cent with
reasonable (SASE, $1 or less, etc.) shipping costs.  Me...I can remember
three such lots on ebay:

1) a 1972 OPC pitching leaders card with Carlton, Seaver and Jenkins
2) a two card lot: a 1967 Joe Morgan and a 1965 Willie McCovey
3) a 1962 Willie Mays All Star

I'm sure folks out there have some good penny finds so let's hear 'em!

Happy Collecting!

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To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Subject: availables
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:28:04 -0700
From: "John Collins" 

A short offering tonight, but nonetheless, the following items are available,
first come, first serve:

1972 Topps -- starter set of 43 Psychos.

1977 OPC Carlton Fisk #137, Ex+

Let me know....

=================

To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: availables from the office...
Date: 22 Oct 2002 07:06:16 -0700
From: "John Collins" 

I found the following cards in my desk at work.  Apparently these
were left over from a previous waiver wire or something, and
never got sent out.  They are available, FCFS:

1958 Topps:
#410 (g-vg)

1959 Topps:
#137 (g-vg)

1963 Topps:
#17 (vg)

1965 Topps:
#191 (2 of them, vg)

1966 Topps:
#'s 12(2), 46, 88, 122 (all vg-ish)

1968 Topps:
#'s 15, 24, 26, 31, 42, 47, 49, 304 (vg-ex range)

1972 Topps:
#'s 3, 61, 68, 76, 90 (all ex or better)

Let me know if you need 'em !!
Go Halos !!

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:06:44 EDT
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay finds for a penny anyone?
To: Jrhatchjr@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com

Hmmm...for a penny (not including s/h) i have only won three lots for a penny
and all in the early days of ebay...

1 lot of 22 1971 commons in vg or better condition. (this guy tried to make
up for it in s/h as he charged me $3 and sent it in a small white envelope
with a single stamp!!)

1 1968 Topps Steve Carlton (if i recall, the s/h was SASE)

1 T-206 bergen bklyn. (since given away to someone in the group).

i miss those days but every now and then i still get a wonderful bargain on

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Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:31:09 EDT
Subject: World Series At Pac Bell
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: tply@aol.com

All - Life is good! I am watching baseball in San Francisco with a California
World Series and "Dem Bums" are playing golf! It don't get any better!

Another Baseball Quote:

"If they don't pitch to Bonds the monkey gets it."

-------- A sign at the Giants ralley seen today

Tripleplay (Rick)

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: End copyright notice
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 02:38:53 +0000
From: debrick