================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:16:00 EST Subject: Card stores To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Who needs them? Whats wrong with packs for $1 at the supermarket where kids can buy them. - Doug ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:37:04 EST Subject: Re: scd editorial on card stores To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Happy New Year everyone!! I don't get SCD, so I haven't read the article. Here's my .02 anyway... Up in my neck of the woods, there aren't a lot of card shops left. The one's that still operate are usually filled with grossly overpriced material and/or cards that are no older than my cat (6 years). Once or twice a year, I'll make the rounds to shops in the area to see if anything matches my collecting interests and budget, but rarely do I find anything. One dealer has a pretty good selection, but his material is overpriced, so I see the same cards in the same cases builing up dust balls year after year after year. You'd think that would tell him something, but probably does not realize it as he makes his money on packs, hats, jerseys and other "memorabilia." To answer Andy's questions: 1) To me, it really doesn't make a difference how many card shops there are. It's quality (in material, dealer knowledge, shop services, organization, reasonable pricing, etc.) and not quantity that matters. I'd rather have one shop that rates a "10" (or even a "5") than 10 shops that rate a "zero." 2) Characteristics that I look for? Those I mentioned in (1) above are a start. Dearler freindliness, availability of supplies and (obviously) location are others. There are reasons why there aren't as many card shops around: decline of baseball's populartiy, image of players as prima-donna's, the inability of baseball to market itself, the internet and $5 packs (to name a few) all lead to the delcine of the card shop. Interesting topic Andy! Thanks for bringing it up! Take care, ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Card Shops Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 11:22:36 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I also look for cards older than my kids - but our kids are 25 and 26. Evenin Chicago there are so few shows that it is good to see that there are still a few stores with vintage cards. The best store in the area was arguably the Sports Collectors Store run by Pat Quinn (Mister non-personality), Don Steinbach (a collector/dealer who died a few years ago) and Roger Mauth (Sp?) who still does a few shows. When that store closed a few years back itleft AU Sports and Graf as the two stores with any significant vintage stuff. No matter who runs the store you are a captive audience as to prices compared to card shows but in the final analysis I'd say I look for anyone whose door is open and lights are on these days. ================= To: Subject: Card Stores Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 09:55:53 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Card stores are part of the problem, and I wouldn't be too unhappy to see them go. Yes, I enjoy going to U Trading as much as Diamanti and Big Al do,but stores that carry vintage items without unrealistic prices are few andfar between. U Trading is 60 miles from me, and is the only one that carries vintage stuff other than a shop in Tacoma (30 miles) that sells cards at about 150% of their "book" value (did someone mention dust balls?). Stores are part of the problem because they inflate card prices. Cards in the 50's and much of the 60's could be had at a nickel a pack (ignore the one-centers). A nickel then is worth 30 cents now (figured with either GNP or CPI inflators). When is the last time you paid 30 cents for a pack of cards? Think about that the next time you shell out two to ??? dollars for a pack. Cards used to be an incidental item in grocery stores and the like. They were only a small part of the profit picture for store owners. In a card store, however, they are the sole profit. The inflated prices have to pay all the lights, heat, rent, salaries, etc. Of course, the relic andautograph cards artificially drive up the prices also, as do the intentional short prints (another topic that irritates me so). It's a new marketing world, and if eBay kills of card shops then so be it. The dealers need to adjust or go into some other business. If you want UVyou can get the retail product at supermarkets and discount stores a lot less than the hobby packs at a card shop. There are still card shows (big ones and small local ones) although they are somewhat declining also. There are always the non-storefront dealers that we can deal with (as many of us do already). We could also network with other collectors and maybe even join some kind of trading club (oh that's right, we already did). How many people actually get a significant amount of vintage cards from a storefront operation anyway? Baseball cards and candy bars used to both sell for a nickel. I can still buy candy bars for that price, often less. The next time you buy a candy bar remember that is what a pack of 2002 Topps should be selling for. Think about it. -Dave Fallen ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 17:19:08 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is this card really that tough? From: Neal Thomas ..to be selling at greater than BV?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1053574472 ================= Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2002 18:51:57 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What ELSE has "Andy Cook" been hiding from us? From: Dan Austin Steve Rittenberg and I discovered that Andy had a past life before he joined OBC. Why has he never told us this before? Why has Andy been masquerading as a Yankee hater all this time when he has really been a Steinbrenner lackey? A pox on you, Andy Cook! ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 19:17:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What ELSE has "Andy Cook" been hiding from us? To: dan@iamdanaustin.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'm sad to say this card is not me, although I would gladly exchange jobs with my alter ego for a chance to pitch in the minors for even one game. ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 00:21:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help is needed :-) From: "rayluurs" I am sure this may rank as one of the weirdest questions (well at least for 2002 for now). While looking through everyone wantlist today( 10 care package hit the post office in the morning) i pulled three cards out of my dup box for shipment. Unfortunately for me I have an advance case of old age and cant for the life of me remeber who I set these out for and going over the wantlist for the past three hours have only produced more care packageto take care of. Does anyone have a need for 1963 116 Jim Brosnan, 1965 107 Phillies Rookie card including Pat Corrales andCosten Shockley and a 1967 55 Don Drysdale in their wantlist Would like toge these out to the people who need them if i can find out who they are:-) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Card Shops Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 21:31:46 -0500 From: "John Collins" Andy hit upon an interesting topic. I have been lamenting the decline of both the quantity and quality of card shops that remain today ever since I got back into collecting when I was in college in the mid 90's. My childhood is filled with memories of several different card shops that were filled with old cards (we didn't say vintage back then) and from what Iremember, pretty reasonable prices. It was a thrill for me to get to lookat an old Mantle or Koufax, and would make my whole month on the rare occasions when I was actually able to purchase a card like that with saved money, or often times, trade with the dealer (how often does that happen today?) The few cards from those times which remain in my collection today are some of my most prized posessions. I remember my first Mantle card was a 1965 #350 that was water damaged and had more creases than a shirt fresh from the dryer. It is sad I don't still have that card today, because it is a really good memory. I wound up collecting through the end of my middle school years, which was the early start of the UV era, which is to say the first couple of Upper Deck sets. I may have had a few '90 Leaf. Then I went to college and got outof it for awhile, before looking through my old cards and gradually starting to collect again about my junior year. I had not been into a card shop in probably 5 years, and was in for a big surprise. First of all, scarcity. I actually had to look around for a card shop. I even checked the yellow pages. In the town I went to college in (Hickory, NC) I finally found 2 shops, and when I walked in I didn't recognize anything. The packs all cost upwards of a dollar, and most importantly, my favorite thing, "old cards"were nowhere to be found. The few dealers I asked said that nobody was really interested in them any more (if that was true, why didn't they get drastically cheaper?), and I soon became familiar with what UV cards were and what the insert card craze was. It's really a shame that is basically whatdrives the hobby today. Like the experience of most of the rest of you, I have found most vintage cards and nearly all old stars to be grossly overpriced when I do find them in a store, condition nonwithstanding. Overgrading still comes into play with most vintage cards I see in shops. I can't believe that still happens nearly 30 years into the organized hobby, but it does, mainly because of dealer-scum who are trying to fool Joe the novice card collector. I am lucky to have one good "old school" type dealer here in Winston-Salem, NC though. Chandy Greenholt's "Season Ticket" shop has been around for nearly 20 years, and he is both knowledgeable and very reasonable with a wide variety of older cards. Bargin bins still exist in his shop -- in fact some of youmay remember him as the "bargin bin" guy from the National a couple of years ago -- if you don't Steve R. can refresh your memory -- but the point isthat cases like this are far and few between. The only other local store here in Winston, "All About Sports" is 99.5 percent UV (a couple of overpriced mid 60's minor stars do collect dust in the showcase) and the only reason I ever go in that one is to stock up on supplies. The owner keeps a large supply of sheets, card savers, and screw-downs to protect the UV goodiesthat his regular customers buy. Solutions? Well, I think that Ebay is the one good thing in today's vintage collecting world (besides our little group, of course.) With bidding andactually running an auction, it has forced some dealers to actually sell the cards for what they are worth (being an economics major I can tell you that the answer to that question is still only what somebody is willing to pay for it). I do agree with some others who have said that if Ebay causes the near extinction of modern card shops, then so be it. I do miss the convenience of just driving down to the local shop, but for 99% of them the drive just isn't worth it anymore. I will be content to actually pay the price that I think the card is worth, and then wait on it to come in the mail.To quickly answer Andy's questions, yes I do think that we need more cardshops. But not of the overpriced vintage or UV only variety. And what doI look for? Simple -- at least 1 showcase of cards from the 50's and 60's. Even if they are overpriced it is still nice to look from time to time. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the long ramble! Happy New Year to you all, John C. Collins ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC home? Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 22:20:42 -0500 From: "John Collins" This one really should wind up in an OBC home: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1056806282 John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 01:29:09 EST Subject: Happy New Year, Delayed Show Report and More... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Happy 2002 to all... Sorry for the delay in my own version of the Show Report, but I've had limited time to use phones the past couple days. Had a nice New Year day visiting with friends and my wife's family... sure hard to swallow that the "little girl" that was the flower girl at our wedding is now in her sophomore year of college. The only damper on the day was that I found out last night that my Mom spent a couple days in the hospital right after Christmas. We're a little concerned that it might be some problems with her liver. She has more tests and will get the first round of test results back tomorrow, so any prayers would be appreciated. Now back to the fun stuff! (WARNING: Long ramble, ala Morganti, Diamanti, et. al to follow) On Saturday, Steve kindly volunteered to pick me up at an agreed location, take me to a card show, and then bring me home. Upon entering the show, we met up again (although again far too briefly!) with Andy Cook and his dad. Fisrt off, I was remiss in not mentioning the way-cool typecard that Andy tossed me back at Steve's house earlier this week... an E92 Dockman Baseball Gum card! It was the first I'd seen of this issue... neat stuff. Anyway, on Saturday Andy brought along his album of old Strip Cards that including an amazing array of issues and ballplayers, many of them HOF'ers. It was really neat to see some new issues and reacquaint myself with a few that I hadn't seen since my last visit with Mark Atnip in Minnesota before we each moved. Thanks for the "show-and-tell" Andy... I enjoyed it. Hopefully the next time we're out this way, we can find a little more time to meet. Next, we proceded to the admission table where Steve whipped out admission for both of us as I stared at a brochure advertising a surprise autograph guest. Of all the zillions of potential guests that could have appeared, it happened to be THE running back for the Vikings while I was growing up... "Ground" Chuck Foreman!! As a native of Northern Minnesota, I was pumped!! As Steve took immediate advantage of a great deal that Andy had cued us in on, I went around the show looking for a Vikes mini-helmet that I could use for the autograph. While I didn't have any luck, the show's organizer recommended that we try a store "right next to JC Penneys" about a mile away. Kindly, Steve agreed to take me around and let me get one. Well, the JC Penney the guy was talking about was hidden deep in a mall, far removed from anything we could see from the road. After cruising up and down the highway a couple times, we finally called them and discovered we were right next to the mall where Steve had thought it might be. After eagerly wending our way through the mall, it was a disappointment to find that they didn't have *any* Vikings minihelmets. For that matter, they didn't have any Vikings ANYTHING! This experience repeated itself 6 more times over the course of the next two hours until we finally returned to the show, sans unique Viking item. (The highlight of our search was the hilarious little version of "I do not like you, Chuck Foreman" that Steve came up with, paralleling the "I do not like Green Eggs and Ham" we'd just seen at a bookstore). Anyway, the good news was that Foreman had stopped charging for his photo, saving me $7 and it was great to meet and talk with him for a while. He even added a little extra "ROY '73" to his signature that made the picture a little different from others I'd seen. I asked him if he'd sign something later if I sent it in the mail to him and he agreed... I might end up with a Vikings minihelmet yet. Other than the Foreman experience, I enjoyed meeting the local favorite dealer of Steve and Andy's... nice guy who knew a lot about cards. He had a couple really cool old nonsport cards for my nonsport typecard collection... a T53 Hassan "Cowboy" Series card and a F360 Buitoni Macaroni "Figuerettes" card (where ya gonna find another one of those?? ). I also found some Blue Jays and Twins for my daughter and my team card collection and a few more unmentionable vintage cards to help out a recent set. In all, while I felt bad about having seriously cut into Steve's time for the show, I was happy with the show, my autograph, the cards, and the companionship. When the show was over, Steve drove us over to a shop that had been recommended by his dealer friend. I think the reason it was recommended was to save our money for him... everything there was seriously overpriced. Just about when Steve and I were ready to give up, we saw a cool box of Star Wars cards with a price posted of $18. This got us a little excited (ok, a *lot* excited) until we found out that the box didn't have any packs in it!! It was now nearly 5 p.m. and I thought Steve might be tired of cards, but I couldn't refuse when he offered to take me back to his place to look through some of my wantlists for newer cards. While Steve reported that he didn't think he did very well on my lists, I assure you that might be the understatement of the month. While he was gnashing his teeth that he couldn't find the Ozzie Smith rookie card that I needed to finish my '79 set, he proceded to bombard me with tons of other star cards for my '80 set (including the RICKEY HENDERSON rookie!!), pulled a huge batch of Blue Jays cards for Sarah (including rookie cards of Ernie Whitt and Garth Iorg who normally would merit mention except that they share their cards with Dale Murphy and Lou Whitaker, respectively!!). After we'd polished off his boxes downstairs, we charged upstairs where he crammed even more UV-infested cards into the box, hitting nearly every set on my wantlist and grousing when we came across one where he couldn't make a hit. When all the cardboard had flown, we took a break and went out for a delicious pizza. We went back to Steve's and he showed me his method of checklisting cards integrating Card Collector software with Microsoft Excel. He made spreadsheets do things I never knew were possible. With all of the fantastic cardboard that Steve bestowed upon Sarah and me, it's pretty tough to admit this, but I think the tricks I learned about Excel over the next couple hours will help me more than any precious cards. When we finally hung it up for the evening, I was exhausted, exhilarated, and a bit remorseful that I wasn't going to see Steve again during our visit. Perhaps it was this subliminal angst that led me to inadvertently leave the stack of '80 Topps and a few more on his table. Whatever the cause, it turned out ok, as we *had* to get together again... the next day! Ironically, Steve had made a connection with a dealer at the show who happened to have a big batch of nonsport cards from a couple issues Steve wanted to work on. The guy *also* had a booth in an antique mall right up by where my in-laws house is! Thus, after Steve had bought out this guy's shoebox of cards at his house, Steve drove up to Frederick and picked me up before going over to the mall. I had another very enjoyable afternoon looking for nonsport typecards. I found a couple cool affordable ones and turned Steve onto an neat starter set of Allen & Ginter nonsport cards that we found at a second antique mall we drove out to about 1/2 hr away. Well, if you've made it this far, I'm astonished! In sum, thanks just can't quite do justice to the gratitude I feel toward Steve. Above and beyond the call of friendship, he has been a fantastic respite from the occassional tensions inevitable with staying with inlaws for a couple weeks. Thanks Steve for the simply awesome companionship, patience, tutorial, and cardboard. I had a terrific time! Take care and thanks for reading... ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 02:41:42 EST Subject: Ebay bidder list screw up? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com Hello all I am at my mothers house for the new years tradition of watching football with the biggest fan I know (mom). I was cruising Ebay to pass the time as the the SEC put up points against inferior confrences :) Anyway, I found a lot of strip cards and outbid this guy... As I was at my mothers I didn't have an ebay list of OBCers and was wondering if I outbid one of us. I didn't recognize the bidder name or I wouldn't have done it. Having said that, I would only recognize about 5 OBCer names. Did I drill one of our own? ================= To: Subject: Re: Sean and William's Excellent Adventure Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:07:14 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" Hey Sean, nice photo adventure! That's exactly the trip I would have (and wish I had) taken with my son... Maybe we can send a few of those pictures off to Agent Ellison. I think if he can get them digitally enhanced and run through the FBI database then we might finally learn the identity of that Stan Hack character! Since you have never been to a real big show, you have to check out: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/cleveland/index.htm and see shots from the national this past summer :) ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 14:36:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Sean and William's Excellent Adventure From: "obc_ken" --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "Rick Redpath" wrote: > Maybe we can send a few of those pictures off to Agent Ellison. I think if > he can get them digitally enhanced and run through the FBI database then we > might finally learn the identity of that Stan Hack character! I can't believe the resemblance Stan Hack has to Brett's dad ;-) Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2002 10:52:01 -0600 Subject: SULFNBK Virus Hoax From: Rick Keating The SULFNBK virus is a hoax !! DO NOT delete the file ! For more information, or if you already have deleted the file, check out McAfee's web site: http://vil.nai.com/vil/virusSummary.asp?virus_k=99084 GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: HNY!....and an ebay question. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:21:20 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Hey everybody! Happy New year! Now that I've recovered from the usual overindulgences of a Scottish New Year celebration, I'm able to catch up with 3 days worth of e-mail messages! The discussions about the decline of card shops, and the subsequent growth of Ebay has been very interesting. Here's a question for those of you that buy via Ebay. How do you handle items that are being sold by fellow OBCers? I can think of a number of occasions over the past few years when I've seen items that I'm interested in being sold by OBCers. In general, though, I feel that I'm less inclined to bid for these items. I know that if I were selling something, and it was won by a fellow "brother in cardboard", I'd most likely just send the item and not really bother about payment. I would, however, hate to put anyone else in that situation. I am of course talking about items of a relatively low value. Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 09:53:37 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trivia From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! My kids gave me a baseball calendar, with baseball facts, oddities, etc. for each day of the year. Today's entry is an interesting piece of Both Mickey Mantle and Al Kaline saw their lifetime batting averages slip below .300 toward the end of their careers (Mantle at .298, Kaline at .297). Both players saw their lifetime average dip below .300 against the same pitcher. Who was it? (answer is two pages below) More trivia to follow throughout the year, I am sure. Happy New Year, OBC! Mike Wierzbicki Answer: Luis Tiant. On July 28, 1968, Mantle struck out against Luis Tiant to see his career average go from .29952 to .29948, never to go back up. On September 23, 1973, Kaline was struck out by Tiant, dropping Kaline's lifetime average from .29950 to .29948. ================= To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HNY!....and an ebay question. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:15:20 -0800 From: "John Collins" I guess I am one of the people Glenn is talking about who sells things on ebay from time to time, so I thought I would ramble for awhile with my views. Here is a brief summary of my ebay modus operandi: Like most of the rest of you, I don't have a huge amount of cash to spend on cards. Maybe not like some of the rest of you, I have an occasional weakness for high grade vintage stuff. (I know that is an OBC taboo, but I hope the OBCAC will see fit to let me remain a member with just one minor flaw). I am talking about stuff that I can't afford on an everyday basis like a super clean 59 Mantle that I bought recently. I needed it like I needed a hole in the head, of course, but our indulgences get the best of all of us from time to time. Don't get me wrong, I still love Tiptons and most all of my affordable stars are in that shape, whether they have come from ebay or the generosity of OBCers. I am happy with most of my set cards in the G range, and truly appreciate everything I get. But every now and then I bite a big bullett, and have to recoup the cash I have spent on expensive stuff. I do this by selling stuff on ebay, which was not an option for collectors even 6 or 7 years ago. I try to be very careful to not sell any cards that I have received from OBC members. If this has ever happened accidentally, I apologize. Normally the things that I sell online are higher grade (usually EX or better) stars that I have gotten at a show or from my one good local dealer, or off of ebay to start with. I should point out that most of this stuff is higher (usually at least $50) than the cards we normally swap or sometimes sell. Occasionally I will tire of collecting a set, see no end in sight, etc., and sell the stars from it on ebay. But I will always offer the commons and any stars I have received from OBC members back to the group. The only exception where I will list and sell cards obtained from a trade is if I have made a completed trade with a VCT member (Dan's group, which many of you belong to as well) and I feel that it came from a specific, worked out trade where the value was fair, and it was not just a "get me back later" OBC contribution. I hope that idea is okay and doesn't offend anyone. If so, I apologize and will not do it anymore. One of my New Years resolutions was to get out of the "buy, sell, buy sell" mode and just build my collection Just my 2 cents... >--- Original Message --- >From: "Glenn Codere" >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Date: 1/2/02 10:21:20 AM >Hey everybody! >Happy New year! Now that I've recovered from the usual overindulgences of a >Scottish New Year celebration, I'm able to catch up with 3 days worth of >e-mail messages! >The discussions about the decline of card shops, and the subsequent >of Ebay has been very interesting. >Here's a question for those of you that buy via Ebay. How do you handle >items that are being sold by fellow OBCers? I can think of a number of >occasions over the past few years when I've seen items that I'm interested >in being sold by OBCers. In general, though, I feel that I'm less inclined >to bid for these items. >I know that if I were selling something, and it was won by a fellow "brother >in cardboard", I'd most likely just send the item and not really >about payment. I would, however, hate to put anyone else in that situation. >I am of course talking about items of a relatively low value. >Glenn Codere >Glasgow, Scotland > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 11:26:01 EST Subject: website errors! To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com i have been informed that when getting to my want list through the home page of the group, you may get out of date wantlists. not sure what that is all about, but you may want to try instead: http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html my want lists are rarely more then 5 days old, so if the updated date is older than that, you probably aren't looking at the most recent version. i'll try to check with the web host and see what it is -- i suspect it is old cache or something, although rebooting the computer doesn't always solve the if anyone has any other suggestions, please LMK. tnx, gary mandell ================= Subject: RE: ebay question Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 08:59:51 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" I have no problems purchasing lots from OBC'ers. I have only sold a few cards on ebay myself, all pre-OBC. I have purchased cards from at least one OBC member. I echo John's sentiment on drawing the line on selling cards received from OBC. If you sell cards from a trade, fine; if you sell cards where previous ownership originates outside of OBC, fine; if you sell cards, regardless of orgination, because of financial hardship, fine; but do not sell cards or items received out of the generosity of an OBC ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC Directory - alternate format Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 12:56:56 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Has anyone converted the OBC Directory into a spreadsheet or database? Ifso, please send me a copy of the relevant files. Thanks. ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 13:30:43 EST Subject: website errors part 2 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com hi again: regarding the problem of stale web pages being viewed, this is a problem even when you reboot if you have viewed an old page recently. i got this info from my web provider. you may want to try this on your computer. i tried it on mine, and i know it works. if you aren't using IE5, lmk, and i can get you info for IE4 or netscape. *For IE 5 users: 1. Click the 'Tools' menu and choose 'Internet Options'. (A dialog box should appear.) 2. In the 'Temporary Internet Files' section, click 'Settings'. 3. Under 'Check for newer versions of stored pages' click the 'Every Visit to the page' radio button. 4. Click 'OK'. Now, try viewing your pages again. You should notice an improvement! thnx, gm ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 18:06:05 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Quality Mantle on Ebay (69 Topps) From: Carlos Alcazar If anybody is looking for a 69 Mantle there is a nice tipton example on ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1054464500 Hope somebody can give it a good home, ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:25:35 -0500 (EST) To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trivia From: Originaleek@webtv.net Thanks for the trivia, you can keep them coming as far as I'm concerned. I knew there was something about that Tiant guy I didn't like (sorry Tiant fans)! We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: Card shops, Ebay, etc. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:40:36 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Card Shops- Dave Murray's shop was called Tiger Sports, and I hope I can conjure up a vision for you...it was the best store I have ever been in, and I really miss it. It was set in a crummy strip mall, gas station on the corner with a coffee machine, which was handy. Bars on the store window, a must back then when cards were really the rage. As you walk in, you see that the store is small, but looks more like a museum than a shop. Slight musty odor, cash register on your left, along with 3 or 4 shelves of new boxes of cards to be despised, but Dave admitted they paid the rent, and without them he couldn't have a store. The store was about 12 feet across by about 25 feet deep. The walls had OLD posters of Mickey, Gordie Howe, 1950's Sports Illustrateds tacked to walls in plastic bags, with covers of Maris, Williams, etc. And comics in bags too...I Love Lucy and Leave it to Beaver, and Tarzan. As you look at the far end of the shop, there was a really old juke box, and a couple of really old pinball games. Then there were the glass cases. One near the front of the store was like you see in an antique shop...press the button, and the trays go around like a ferris wheel. That had mostly the newer stuff that helped pay the rent. Then there were the real display cases, with REAL cards. And behind those cases Dave had a small table and a stool for select customers to use to sort through his stuff. And boxes and boxes to go through. Luckily, I was one that was lucky enough to be invited in. Heck, Dave even let me babysit the store for him a couple of times when he had to go out, and I felt like locking the door behind him. The "washroom" had a stained sink and a leaky faucet. Dave's interest in that shop took a dive when he and his young son were held at gunpoint and his store was robbed. One of the perps met his Maker during a gunfight with police, all over cardboard. Dave's store was never the same. I do some selling from time to time as well, but I try to stay clear of anything that might have come my way via OBC. Certainly none of us would do that intentionally. Most of my stuff for sale is hockey or CFL stuff, as I have started a "Cabin Fund" to finance the construction of a little more comfortable digs on that stinkin' island. (Yes, complete with M*A*S*H unit.) Some of the stuff may also be dupes from a lot that I have won on Ebay, and I don't mind selling those to recoup some of my expenses. I must admit that the majority of these end up in OBC. Just 2 more cents worth! (Canadian funds.) ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 18:50:48 EST Subject: Sean and William's Excellent Adventure To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com I thought the pictures were cool too until Linda identified me as the old man in the red hat. Sean isn't there something you can do to make me look a little younger? - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:23:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Good thing I collect vintage cards From: "yukchow" I ran into this on ebay and just couldn't believe the price. Is this for real? I guess one better buy it now before (1) it gets slabbed and (2) Jeter makes the all-century team. Jeter is a fine player. But for a grand you can get most Mantles in decent shape. And the Mick's got more rings. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1021783654 ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 22:48:46 EST Subject: Lots of 52 Hi's on ebay right now To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i have gotten several e-mails recently asking if i have any 52 hi number dups - unfortunately i don't but a dealer with ebay id-simsclassicsports has 40+ 52 topps hi's on ebay right now closing Jan.6 starting at around 6pm PDT-the 1st ones start on page 30 of this sellers listing- and these are non slabbed ones ranging in condition from Fair to Ex-- something for everyone- i actually have won a few 52 topps hi's from this seller before and i was satisfied with is grading- for anyone working on this set besides me here is a seldom seen chance to find that particular 52 hi you might be looking for - and i have seen bids every where from $15 to $200 up for these- i wanted to share this opportunity with the group for those looking for unslabbed lower grade 52 hi's - this many seldom show up on ebay- i have seen 707 sportscards put more 52 hi's up but they are expensive slabbed ones i can't afford- Linda ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:10:31 -0500 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lots of 52 Hi's on ebay right now From: Mark S Talbot Yes Linda, I agree - simsclasicsports has been a pretty good source for inexpensive cards. The guy lists so many cards that you can often squeak out a good deal without a last minute snipe attack (but not always). He has forgotten a card or two in some of my auction wins - they always offer a refund or credit - but with the volume of cards that he shuffles around he is bound to make a mistake or two. But he is fair (hasn't called me a liar or tried to jip me out of a couple dollar bid). I will bid on his stuff again - maybe this stuff. Thanks for the heads up Linda!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote: > hi- this is Linda- i have gotten several e-mails recently asking if i have > any 52 hi number dups - unfortunately i don't but a dealer with ebay > id-simsclassicsports has 40+ 52 topps hi's on ebay right now closing Jan.6 > starting at around 6pm PDT-the 1st ones start on page 30 of this sellers > listing- and these are non slabbed ones ranging in condition from Fair to > Ex-- something for everyone- i actually have won a few 52 topps hi's from > this seller before and i was satisfied with is grading- for anyone working on > this set besides me here is a seldom seen chance to find that particular 52 > hi you might be looking for - and i have seen bids every where from $15 to > $200 up for these- i wanted to share this opportunity with the group for > those looking for unslabbed lower grade 52 hi's - this many seldom show up on > ebay- i have seen 707 sportscards put more 52 hi's up but they are expensive > slabbed ones i can't afford- Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2002 23:13:41 -0500 To: yukchow Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good thing I collect vintage cards From: Mark S Talbot Incomprehensible - I don't get it????????? REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * yukchow wrote: > I ran into this on ebay and just couldn't believe the price. Is this > for real? I guess one better buy it now before (1) it gets slabbed > and (2) Jeter makes the all-century team. Jeter is a fine player. > But for a grand you can get most Mantles in decent shape. And the > Mick's got more rings. > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1021783654 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good thing I collect vintage cards Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:48:10 -0500 From: "John Collins" <> (The auction to which Yuk referred). That is rediculous. It is sad to think that most kids out there today dream of this stuff. I belong to a volunteer service on the web called allexperts.com, where I answer people's questions about their baseball cards. Ijust had a kid ask me what packs and "hobby boxes" were good for getting "the best" autographs, bat cards, jersey cards, inserts, etc. The kid willprobably hate me, but (after telling him that I knew nothing about UV cards) I advised him to spend his money on something that does not have such over-inflated prices for the majority of the cards, and that he can learn some of the game's history from (okay, so old cards, in a nutshell). I can understand that todays kids want cards of Ichiro, Giambi, and Randy Johnson,and could probably give less than a hoot about an old Billy Hoeft card or maybe even a star of the Mantle caliber. That is fine. I just wish the card companies would make it a little bit easier on them. I am a capitalist,and am all for Topps, Fleer, Upper Deck, et. al. to make their money, butjeez. Give the kids a break. Who was it that had the argument that a 1950's nickel simply does not translate into today's $2.00 + packs? Amen to that. ----- Original Message ----- From: yukchow To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Good thing I collect vintage cards I ran into this on ebay and just couldn't believe the price. Is this for real? I guess one better buy it now before (1) it gets slabbed and (2) Jeter makes the all-century team. Jeter is a fine player. But for a grand you can get most Mantles in decent shape. And the Mick's got more rings. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1021783654 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good thing I collect vintage cards Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 21:50:36 -0500 From: "John Collins" Sorry, but the text of what I had to say somehow didn't make it into that last post. Here it is: That is rediculous. It is sad to think that most kids out there today dream of this stuff. I belong to a volunteer service on the web called allexperts.com, where I answer people's questions about their baseball cards. Ijust had a kid ask me what packs and "hobby boxes" were good for getting "the best" autographs, bat cards, jersey cards, inserts, etc. The kid willprobably hate me, but (after telling him that I knew nothing about UV cards) I advised him to spend his money on something that does not have such over-inflated prices for the majority of the cards, and that he can learn some of the game's history from (okay, so old cards, in a nutshell). I can understand that todays kids want cards of Ichiro, Giambi, and Randy Johnson,and could probably give less than a hoot about an old Billy Hoeft card or maybe even a star of the Mantle caliber. That is fine. I just wish the card companies would make it a little bit easier on them. I am a capitalist,and am all for Topps, Fleer, Upper Deck, et. al. to make their money, butjeez. Give the kids a break. Who was it that had the argument that a 1950's nickel simply does not translate into today's $2.00 + packs? Amen to that. ----- Original Message ----- From: yukchow To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Good thing I collect vintage cards I ran into this on ebay and just couldn't believe the price. Is this for real? I guess one better buy it now before (1) it gets slabbed and (2) Jeter makes the all-century team. Jeter is a fine player. But for a grand you can get most Mantles in decent shape. And the Mick's got more rings. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1021783654 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 00:13:01 EST Subject: $1,000 for a Jeter???? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi - this is Linda- i looked up that item 1021783654 and found it to be some special Jeter auto card- but ouch - a $1,000 for it- help!!!- and the Co. selling it --sports investments reminds me of the stockbroker scam recently where brokers hype stock losing value they have been paid under the table to push to clients-that is the key word to me HYPE_ some investment co selling a newer card of artifically created rarity for a huge sum of money- hey i am a Yankee fan but if i had that much money to spend i would rather spend it on a 52 topps # 407 Mathews in Vg-EX- than any 1 or for that matter 1,000 Jeter cards- just my half sents worth again- i said hi to Eddie Mathews at the last National here where he was signing autos and so sadly we lost him last year-Mathews is a player of the stature who transends any team loyality of a fan- including me--my dream is to own that # 407 for my 52 topps set someday but ANY topps Mathews card or Bowman ( i bought a 53 color bowman at the last national held here) is a special card to me of one of the game's great players- Linda ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: b henderson Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:58:12 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1057371137 I really hate to bring this up again, but it seems like Bill still has a lot of overgrading going on. VG? This card has pretty serious surface damage, not to mention the dents and border dings. Maybe I am an overly tough grader, and though I certainly don't agree with the premise of most professional grading services, you know that if submitted to PSA this would probably come back a 1 or 2 tops. Not to go on and on, but the price looks a tad high on this one to me too. John C. Collins ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 07:20:20 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] b henderson To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com In a message dated 1/3/02 4:58:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > I really hate to bring this up again, but it seems like Bill still has a lot > of overgrading going on. VG? This card has pretty serious surface damage, > not to mention the dents and border dings. Maybe I am an overly tough > grader, and though I certainly don't agree with the premise of most > professional grading services, you know that if submitted to PSA this would > probably come back a 1 or 2 tops. Not to go on and on, but the price looks > a tad high on this one to me too. I agree, John. I'd put it somewhere in the Fair to Good range. On the positive side, however, if Bill's right then my '53 Mays is worth a lot of money. ; < ) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I think somebody wants this card pretty bad Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 10:31:59 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" I guess I should have bought this card at the last show I went to for $7.00. I could have picked up a quick 44 bucks. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1057422639 The good news is there's still 8 days left to get your bid in. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: "'obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] b henderson Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:36:14 -0500 From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" I definitely agree with the price assessment, it's definitely a "tad high" (or better yet "are-you-kidding-me high") considering the condition. But then again, most of his cards always seem to be price a little bit on the expensive side. However, if that 53 Mays was in my binder, it would definitely register as Vg to Vg+. Heck, on a foggy day and strategically placed between 2 Tiptons, it might even look Ex+ (okay, okay, on a really really foggy day). To give Bill some credit, since he has a picture up with the card. I have no problems with his grade, you can make your own judgment (assuming all flaws are mentioned). I've purchased a few small lots and cards from Bill thru the years, and his grading is definitely all over the place. But I find him to be an honorable man and one of the few genuine "good guy" Why, am I on the podium talking about a dealer? I have no idea, but believe me it's a real slowwwwww day at work. Not to rehash stuff that has already been said, and I certainly don't really care how Bill is perceived. But here are few of my own "Bill Henderson" example's: A few years ago, I purchased a '65 Koufax from Bill, when it arrived I thought it was a little bit overgraded (he did not provide a picture) - he ended-up giving me a discount on a subsequent purchase. He doesn't advertise it, but if your order gets loss in the mail, he will refund your $$$ or send replacement cards. And finally, not that I'm a trouble-maker or anything like that, but I had a big disagreement with Bill's daughter over a puchase I had made (she was selling vintage cards on Ebay at the time). He intervene and completed the transaction to my satisfaction. One last ramble, before I get off the stage. I have no clue, why Mr Bill Henderson lists the same cards on ebay, over and over again, using the same starting price that didn't get him a bid 10 times before. How that makes economic sense is mind-boggling to me. And yes, his grading is hap-hazard at best. But if you were to rank the old-time dealers, as far as customer service, I'd say he would rank in the top three. From a personal standpoint, I haven't purchase anything from Bill in a few years. I actually think his grading is getting worse, since, in the past I would actually stumble onto stuff of his that was overgraded. But those days seem to be gone... -Lovely Day, Iggy... -----Original Message----- From: jocraig@aol.com [mailto:jocraig@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:20 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] b henderson In a message dated 1/3/02 4:58:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: I really hate to bring this up again, but it seems like Bill still has a lot of overgrading going on. VG? This card has pretty serious surface damage, not to mention the dents and border dings. Maybe I am an overly tough grader, and though I certainly don't agree with the premise of most professional grading services, you know that if submitted to PSA this would probably come back a 1 or 2 tops. Not to go on and on, but the price looks a tad high on this one to me too. I agree, John. I'd put it somewhere in the Fair to Good range. On the positive side, however, if Bill's right then my '53 Mays is worth a lot of money. ; < ) ================= To: "'obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] b henderson Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 10:42:17 -0500 From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" This is Iggy's editor. One slight correction to my Bill Henderson ramble, the last paragraph should read like this: One last ramble, before I get off the stage. I have no clue, why Mr Bill Henderson lists the same cards on ebay, over and over again, using the same starting price that didn't get him a bid 10 times before. How that makes economic sense is mind-boggling to me. And yes, his grading is hap-hazard at best. But if you were to rank the old-time dealers, as far as customer service, I'd say he would rank in the top three. From a personal standpoint, I haven't purchase anything from Bill in a few years. I actually think his grading is getting worse, since, in the past I would actually stumble onto stuff of his that was UNDERGRADED. But those days seem to be gone... -Lovely Day, Iggy's Editor... ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:06:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps Bob Feller - needs a good home From: "david_skoglund_mn" In keeping with my New Year's resolution to be more active in OBC, I have a card that needs a good home. It is a 1953 Topps Bob Feller. It is a true Tipton beauty. Scuffs, creases, missing paper, covered old tape, etc. I uploaded a scan of the front and back to the Photos area of the Ramblings group on the Yahoo site. Here is the URL for the Photo http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/lst If you don't have access to the Yahoo site, I can also email you the scan. But, all members should have access to the site. The Rules: Just for the fun of it, I have decided to put a little twist on the offer. In order to get the card, you have to tell me why I should give it to you. Be creative. Best answer wins. I will share the more memorable essays with the group. Essays will consist of a minimum of one word, and a maximum of as many as you want. Entries accepted until 10 AM CST on Friday January 4th, 2002. That gives you 24 hours from this posting. Send your answers to me at: david.skoglund@att.net This may seem a bit odd, but I think it is in keeping with the spirit of the group. My favorite messages to read are the ones about those Tipton cards that despite their flaws, or becasue of them, are treasured above other cards. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1953 Topps Bob Feller - needs a good home Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:03:44 +0000 From: david.skoglund@att.net Someone emailed me saying the link didn't work. Since OBC is a closed group, it looks like you have to be signed in to www.groups.yahoo.com to have the URL work. Sorry about that. I'll try attaching the scan in this email. ================= To: "'obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 14:02:29 -0500 From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" Erik Greenwood asked the following question: How would you say you accumulated your collection? OBC, dealers, shows, online auctions, etc.? It would be interesting (at least, I think?) to hear what others have to say. Here is how the Iggy-Man did it (and is doing it)!!! Guess my collection can be summarize into 3 phases: 1970 through 1976: started my collection the fun way, via packs from the corner grocery store and a little bit of old fashion card flipping (although in hindsight, I loss more then I won). My appetite for packs was never-ending during this 1989 through 1993: rediscovered my craving for baseball cards and started hitting most of the local shows. Bargains were hard to come by, but I slowly added to my collection. Mostly hitting the shows early and going through the bargain bins. I'm a much more accomplished price-haggler now then I was during this phase, but hey, I was single, stupid, and had no regard for money (as opposed to my current phase, which is - married, stupid, and with no money). I also did a little bit of online trading, way back when the internet was nothin' but news-groups. I remember virtually running into OBCer Sean McGowan way back when his want list could be hit with ease (guess Sean doesn't need anymore of my 1976 dupes)... 1996 through present: Currently, my collection has been built via "OBC", "a handful of online auctions (oh, how I miss Solomon's auctions)," some online trading and "Ebay - Ebay - Ebay - and some more Ebay"!!! I've completely stopped going to card shows (although, once in a blue moon I attend a show when I'm running low on supplies - but I've probably haven't been to one in more then a year+). This phase of my collection, has basically been built by buying lots on ebay, and reselling some of the cards to recoup my $$$ (hasn't fail me yet). When I'm close to completing a set, OBC seems to always be filling in the holes, but sometimes I break-down and purchase an individual card on ebay. I can honestly say, that without Ebay, I would not even be close to completing my sets, and would certainly have never entertained the thought/dream of having every Topps card from 1952-1980. -Lovely Day, Iggy... -----Original Message----- From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood [mailto:greenwood@integrity.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:56 PM Cc: ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Big News.... Congratulations. I am several thousand away from completing the run. Some point in the future I will reference the time Iggy broke the 1000 card and I will convey the same feeling of never believing I could get to that Out of curiosity, how would you say you accumulated your collection. OBC, dealers, shows, online auctions? Almost all of my collection has come from packs, OBC, and online auctions. I for one have been amazed at the of my fellow OBC members. What a great group of people. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 14:34:28 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Sounds like a good topic. I'll join in. I broke down my collecting into 6 The Kid Years - 1969 to 1979 From the age of 6 to 16 I got my cards mostly through packs. My cousins did give me their cards which were mostly from 1965 to 1968. The Box Years - 1980 to 1982 Most of my cards from these years came from boxes. My dad owned a small convience/liquor store and I used to order the candy supplies. Just about every month I would pick up a box of cards. Unfortunatly he sold the store in 1982. The College Years - 1983 to 1986 Since I was in college I didn't have a lot of extra money to spend on cards. I did manage to order complete sets through mail order every year and pick up some packs here and there. Howard Sports in Ohio was my favorite mail order company. The Bachelor Years - 1987 to 1990 Bought mostly boxes at warehouse clubs like Sams and Price Club. It figures, I finally had money to spend on cards and had over produced crap to choose from. The Married Years - 1991 to 1997 My second slowest period besides college. Did ok until the kids started coming in 1993. Bought from different places include warehouse clubs, mail orders, and stores. The OBC/Married Years - 1998 to 2002 My most productive period. Cards came via eBay(25%), Shows(20%), generous OBC members(45%) and other sources(10%). Was able to turn my pre-1964 haves from about 500 to 5000. -Bob R. MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 13:12:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: 1994'S To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman DID ANYONE SEND ME AN E-MAIL SAYING THAT THEY HAD THE 1994 CARDS THAT I NEED TO COMPLETE MY SET. I LOST THE E-MAIL AND CAN'T REMEMBER WHO SENT IT TO ME. THANKS, JOHN Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: What to do with your 1960 Topps? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:25:05 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Maybe I'm a bit retentive about this, but I like it when all the cards in my album are facing the same way. Why put them in upside down? The 1954Topps set frustrates me sometimes because some of the cards have the back upside down relative to the front. But that's nothing compared to 1960 Topps. First, there are horizontal fronts. So do you have all the pictures facing one way or facing the otherway? I tried to use the vertical fronts as a guide. What I mean is that the vertical front (like #7) has a horizontal back. I put the card in right side up and let the back determine the pattern for the others. But the Manager cards, which are vertical) have a different scheme. When they go into the album right side up, the card number on the back is not in the same spot on the cards as it is on the regular cards. And I've found someother vertical cards that contradict the scheme on the Willie Mays card. I wish I had my scanner working so I could make this clearer. The end result is that the set in the album looks herky-jerky with some cards facing left and some facing right. Has anyone come up with an answer other than "stop thinking about this"? I want the cards need to stay in numerical order. If I re-arrange the cards by team and group all the combo and manager cards together, then I won'tknow if the set is complete. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What to do with your 1960 Topps? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 16:56:11 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" I used to think that Steve Rittenberg had found the ideal way of life, which is, retire UNTIL you're 65, then go out and find a job. But now, after reading this, I'm starting to have my doubts about the beneficial aspects of having all that free time... Heh, heh, just a little joke, Steve. I understand the dilemna, but I think you need someone with a better asthetic sense to help you with this one. Maybe Peter Iversen has the answer? Heh, heh, just a little joke, Peter :-) Okay, I better go now. - Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What to do with your 1960 Topps? Maybe I'm a bit retentive about this, but I like it when all the cards in my album are facing the same way. Why put them in upside down? The 1954 Topps set frustrates me sometimes because some of the cards have the back upside down relative to the front. But that's nothing compared to 1960 Topps. First, there are horizontal fronts. So do you have all the pictures facing one way or facing the other way? I tried to use the vertical fronts as a guide. What I mean is that the vertical front (like #7) has a horizontal back. I put the card in right side up and let the back determine the pattern for the others. But the Manager cards, which are vertical) have a different scheme. When they go into the album right side up, the card number on the back is not in the same spot on the cards as it is on the regular cards. And I've found some other vertical cards that contradict the scheme on the Willie Mays card. I wish I had my scanner working so I could make this clearer. The end result is that the set in the album looks herky-jerky with some cards facing left and some facing right. Has anyone come up with an answer other than "stop thinking about this"? I want the cards need to stay in numerical order. If I re-arrange the cards by team and group all the combo and manager cards together, then I won't know if the set is complete. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 17:52:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What to do with your 1960 Topps? To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Boy, some people have way too much time on their hands! I had never thought about it, and had to go to my binder to see what you meant. As I (now) remember I found 8 to a page sheets that work well for the 60s as well as the Post Cereal from 61-63. While these work well for the majority of the 60s, the verticals just have to go in sideways. Now that I look at it I think I will change out the manager cards to a traditional 9 pocket page. I don't know that the 8 pocket pages are widely available, but as I remember I got them at a hobby shop that sold other (pokeman, etc.) cards. Vegas 2002 ...May 17-19 Rest Well, ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 18:39:20 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What to do with your 1960 Topps? To: Topgolf@aol.com, srittenberg66@earthlink.net, From: smartalecx@aol.com 8 pockets are made by ultra pro, and some wholesale supply houses will sell them, especially if you can provide a tax id #. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What to do with your 1960 Topps? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:44:04 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Steve...maybe I can help you out here. Let's swap problems instead of cards. For your irritating and most aggravating 1960 set, I will send you one almost 16 year old girl with a recent interest in boys. (Postage paid.) The only other thing I can think of is buying a 572 count box and putting the '60 set in a dark closet. Hope this helps...you can let me know if you choose one of the above...... Maybe I'm a bit retentive about this, but I like it when all the cards in my album are facing the same way. Why put them in upside down? The 1954 Topps set frustrates me sometimes because some of the cards have the back upside down relative to the front. But that's nothing compared to 1960 Topps. First, there are horizontal fronts. So do you have all the pictures facing one way or facing the other way? I tried to use the vertical fronts as a guide. What I mean is that the vertical front (like #7) has a horizontal back. I put the card in right side up and let the back determine the pattern for the others. But the Manager cards, which are vertical) have a different scheme. When they go into the album right side up, the card number on the back is not in the same spot on the cards as it is on the regular cards. And I've found some other vertical cards that contradict the scheme on the Willie Mays card. I wish I had my scanner working so I could make this clearer. The end result is that the set in the album looks herky-jerky with some cards facing left and some facing right. Has anyone come up with an answer other than "stop thinking about this"? I want the cards need to stay in numerical order. If I re-arrange the cards by team and group all the combo and manager cards together, then I won't know if the set is complete. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Ebay selling Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 15:56:57 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- I just woke up from a much needed nap and I am looking through a batch of emails. I wanted to offer my comments on Ebay selling. I usually have one or two things for sale on Ebay at any given time. 90% of my lots are cardsfrom the seventies and eighties that I bought back then and still have piles of in all sports. The other 10% is OBC-type cards that I get in lots on Ebay. For instance, I get most of my high numbers for my sets in lots that include low numbers.I try to find wantlists to send them out, but sometimes I end up with eight John Roseboros and will never find a home for all of them! I put those extras up on Ebay from time to time (I have a lot of 15 1963 cards right now for sale as an example). If anybody sees a card in my lot, email since Iprobably have another one. If you want the whole lot, bid on it and I will give it to you for nothing (I just gave one to Rex that way a couple of weeks I heartily agree that you shouldn't sell stuff other guys gave you, but I see no problem with selling your own stuff on Ebay. Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 19:27:46 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? To: ignacio@miami.edu, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Wow the memories! the early years (1969-1978) was spent getting those packs of cards for 5-8 cents. When Mr Softy arrived, my decision was to either get sprinkles or a pack of cards, guess which won? I was a mean flipper in school, my 71 set was created in a big way in that manner. I was the master of calling "shades", and I could flip a mean "leaner". Got to college in 78, met up with former OBCer Mark Rosenman who had a Becketts (shudder). I thumbed through it and saw a 70 Bench that I knew I had. Price $30.00! Ran home to get the shoeboxes out of the attic (Mom would always say, why dont you throw them out!, had the last laugh). This I carried well into the 80s. I found great local card stores, days when you could BS with the guy about cards and he knew what you were talking about. During this phase I made my worst investment. A Strawberry rookie for like 60 bucks. OUCH! 1992- finds what a computer is and makes use of Prodigy and AOL. Finds the magic OBC headers on P* and hooks up with a bunch of guys like Bob Miller. My trading and purchasing on line begin. I become a VP of TIC and hook up with HOF candidate Unk Phil. He introduces me to AOL's OBC. Trading has never been the same since. Most of my collection now from OBC, some bigger card shows (I stay away from the shops, no deals the be had there), and Ebay (the savior of my mini set). The early days had Mark's "fill-in-the-blanks" list, Unk Phil's For Collectors Only (actually was profiled once), Big Al looking for mini's, TriplePlay (before shorthand), The Guru, who once sanded cards for a living. Geez, there were only like 20 of us and we'd hook up Monday nites in the Grandstand and put out "trade alerts". Let's see, Wayne was there, George Hay, Eric V, Mark Z was a well respected seller, JimMont, KC70s, Josh, Mike Hair, Len 124, Bob Buhl (aka teenager), Friar, DSH Dave (who lives all of 15 minutes from me and I have never met. I miss Solly's auctions, Frookie's and Rich Mueller's too. Geez who has a list of those early days? I know I'm missing a few like BDodgers, George Pizzo.... Wow has it been like 8 or 9 years for me already? Best thing is that there is a story for every one of the guys I have mentioned. Maybe we should have an all time directory of OBC. I know we can come up with little blurbs about each member. Who's got an old list? LOL...see what you did Iggy? Lovely memories ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:33:34 -0500 From: "John Collins" My history of card collecting: Childhood - 1986-1993 From the ages of 9 to 16, when I first became aware of baseball cards, and old cards. Actually it wasn't baseball cards, but Topps' "Garbage Pail Kids" that was the first thing I collected. They were all the rage of the third grade until the teachers confiscated them. I bought my first pack of Topps baseball cards in 1986 at Cashion's Grocery Store (35 cents) and remember that I got hooked that summer on a trip to stay with my cousin, whose dad used to take us to buy packs of cards. I didn't know anything about baseball at this point, but I remembered that I wanted to get Pete Rose. Petewas all the rage, I guess because he had just broken Cobb's record a year earlier. After that trip, I remember getting wax packs at the 7-11 on the way home from the YMCA after swim practice. Shortly after this, I became aware of the existance of card shops (which as recent discussions have proved, were much more plentiful during this time) and subsequently drove my mother crazy demanding that we go to the baseball card shop. I have wonderful, nostalgic memories of several different places: The Red Lantern Toy and Antiques store, which had not only all types of toys, but both new and old cards. This is where I really first became interested in old cards, those that my father probably had when he was a kid. Got my first Mantle from this store as well. Good memory. There was also Smitty's Sportscards in downtown Charlotte, NC -- CSC collectibles, and the Upper Deck, none of which exist today. All carried a wide selection of vintage cards and bargain bins. I should point out that I used to trade and trade exclusively with these dealers to get older cards. Yeah, they were nice enough to actually trade with kids back then. I got many a cherished Mantle, Koufax, and Maysout of deals like that. The Aisle Pawn Shop in Mooresville, NC and it's owner, Harold Cline, a wonderful chain smoking man who would always go out of his way to trade cards with kids. And not just any cards. OLD cards. GOOD cards. I have a '56 Ted Williams still today that I traded Harold for.I don't know what I traded, but it couldn't of really have been worth it.I walked out of the store glowing -- I might as well have traded for a T206 Wagner. By '93 I was a sophomore in high school and interested in other things. Aside from occasionally looking through the cards, or going to an occasional card shop (they were dissappearing by this point) my collecting activities waned considerably. College Years: 1995-1999 Nothing until 99 when I got interested in the hobby again as a senior (you have to do something besides party, drink, and look for a job.) I began tobuy cards through online auctions such as Boekhouts Collectibles Mall (pre-ebay) and even bought a few things from Bill Henderson during this time. I must defend him this time and say that he didn't let me down when I did buy from him. This was the period when I tried to seek out local card shops, and was perplexed by the alien atmosphere and UV material in the few shops that I did find. Ebay and VCT-OBC Years: 1999-present I discovered ebay and pretty much became hooked soon after I graduated fromcollege. I couldn't believe how affordable some of the old cards were (especially in the earlier days of ebay). I gradually replaced some older cards that I had as a kid but traded. I then discovered Dan's group VCT in December of 2000, and OBC late last year. I had never seriously considered set building until this happened, but now know that it is very possible. Icontinue to be amazed at the generosity of these groups, and look forward to a long future with both of them -- this is one collecting "era" that I hope is just at it's dawn. -- John ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Reed To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Sounds like a good topic. I'll join in. I broke down my collecting into6 The Kid Years - 1969 to 1979 From the age of 6 to 16 I got my cards mostly through packs. My cousins did give me their cards which were mostly from 1965 to 1968. The Box Years - 1980 to 1982 Most of my cards from these years came from boxes. My dad owned a small convience/liquor store and I used to order the candy supplies. Just about every month I would pick up a box of cards. Unfortunatly he sold the store in 1982. The College Years - 1983 to 1986 Since I was in college I didn't have a lot of extra money to spend on cards. I did manage to order complete sets through mail order every year and pick up some packs here and there. Howard Sports in Ohio was my favorite mail order company. The Bachelor Years - 1987 to 1990 Bought mostly boxes at warehouse clubs like Sams and Price Club. It figures, I finally had money to spend on cards and had over produced crapto choose from. The Married Years - 1991 to 1997 My second slowest period besides college. Did ok until the kids started coming in 1993. Bought from different places include warehouse clubs, mail orders, and stores. The OBC/Married Years - 1998 to 2002 My most productive period. Cards came via eBay(25%), Shows(20%), generous OBC members(45%) and other sources(10%). Was able to turn my pre-1964 haves from about 500 to 5000. -Bob R. MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 20:48:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: washalou@aol.com Hello OBC, A very cool topic. I remember the days of gathering in the AOL Grandstand. I was a member back in 1994 and dropped out for a while when our kids came and I was pursuing my administrative post. Remember an OBCer named Mike Czape? He lives across the river in Jeffersonville, IN. We went to a few card shows (and one big baseball card auction) together. One thing about Mike that I hold as a funny/odd memory is that, the first time we were to hook up at a show, he told me to look for him in a "shark hat." I took that to mean he was a fan of the professional hockey team. After not spotting him at the show (strange, he said he'd be here), I finally spy some guy going through a bin of beaters (a dead giveaway) wearing a Greg Norman golfing hat. But to the main topic: 1974--1982: My main collecting years, although I slacked off mightily in '77 - '79. I collected with my best friend, Tim Hayden. We bought packs together, but our real thrill was visiting the big Louisville flea market at the Fairgrounds. This was back when you had to hunt through each booth at the flea market because most of the cards you'd find would be in some seller's shoebox in the back of their area. Tim and I collected, by teams, for each of the pro sports and we competed against each other to see who could assemble the best squads. Especially thrilling were the hours of debate regarding how his Pirate squad would fare against my beloved Reds squad, or his Steelers against my Vikings. Here's how our competition worked. Your teams consisted of, of course, any player you could find on cardboard. But here was the catch - your challenge was to acquire the best seasonal statistics for each player because the player's season depicted was what your team got to use. In other words, it wasn't good enough to just have Johnny Bench on my Red's team, I had to have his best statistical season (which is, incidentally, 1970 when he hit around .290, 45 homers, and 130 some-odd RBIs - if I remember correctly). So I had to have Bench's 1971 Topps card to field my best Reds' team. It meant that we would spend hours searching through cards, looking for .300 hitters, 25+ home runs, 100+ RBIs to improve all our teams. It was a real challenge compiling anything like a competitive squad for the Seahawks, Buccaneers, BlueJays, and Mariners in those days! 1988- A terrible year - I sold every card I had, while in college, to pay for some tuition. I didn't get a lot for them, but I don't think I was severely ripped off. Most of my cards were well played with. 1990 - I graduated college and got a job. With money burning a hole in my pocket and no wife or family, I began "investing" in cards. I threw all kinds of money at all the overproduced UV stuff that came out. After the smoke settled, I calmed down and began to actually collect - but it was still all new stuff mostly. I bought older cards occasionally at shows, but always paid too much for them. 1993 - The magic started again. I met a guy from Indiana, at the flea market, who sold ball cards. He had a whole binder of '55s and '56s (mostly '56). He traded me all his old stuff for all my new stuff (his logic being he could more easily sell the new stuff. I thought he was daffy, but gladly traded with him.) I was a real collector again! At this point I began to collect old stuff and met a very nice, honest man (who happens to be a dealer) named Tony Satterly of Lexington, KY. He sold me stuff at way below "book" value and let me pay him back at my own pace without interest (still 1994 - present - I stumbled across OBC and started the '56 set and the '57 set because I had a lot of stars for those years. I bought traders from Tony to send to you all, but I never dreamed I could actually complete those sets. Guess what? They're now complete thanks mostly (70%) to OBC. If you check my wantlist you can see how close I am to completing many other years. And that's considering I had zero old cards when I started collecting again in 1990. My current collection wouldn't be possible without OBC. No way, no how. I still buy from Tony and I just recently discovered eBay. But I've used eBay primarily to buy '80s stuff that I'll give to my sons someday (stuff like '83 sets, '85 sets, '87 sets) I haven't found deals or terms like Tony gives me on eBay yet. I still have lots of collecting to do. Remember I had no old cards when I started again in '90. I don't have sets begun for '52-'55, '58, '59, and There's lots more to say, but you've read enough already. Thank you OBC. Greg Kuhn ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Is there anything worse... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:05:21 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" than getting sniped on ebay.... by a DEALER. I need help with this issue. I can't stand getting sniped and often throwa fit when it happens. I feel like someone has taken something away thatis MINE. What's worse, I've invested the time to find the item, bid on it and watch the item close and get NOTHING for it. I don't believe that asimilar or better deal will turn up eventually because in the meantime I am going to spending even more time searching. I hate getting sniped by a collector but at least I know that someone like me is going to enjoy the cards. A dealer is only going to flip them and raise prices for collectors like me. Maybe I should quit bidding on ebay if I "can't stand the heat". I don'tknow what to do. Throwing a fit at the sniper makes things worse. Thanks for listening. I'm interesting in hearing if anyone else has this problem and if so, how they deal with it. ================= To: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:09:58 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" What a great discussion topic. I started buying cards (Monkees, Green Hornet, Batman, BB) in 1967. I remember walking to the store with my father and buying the Topps Red Sox sticker cards for that year. By 1968/69 I spent all my allowance money (10 cents every Wednesday) on BB cards or Hockey/FB in the off season. I've completed the 69-74 sets, 90% of which were bought by myself as a kid, and I am getting close on the 68 set. The 67 set, with it's high numbers is another story. Around 1973 I started buying cards via the mail (Georgetown Cards in Connecticut). I bought a few T206 (75 cents), and some early Topps and was hooked. A kid on my little league team had some 33 Goudeys including Ruth and Gehrig but Goudeys were too expensive for my budget. I bought the sets for 75-77 from the mail also. In 76 a card shop (Hall's Nostalgia) opened up in my home town and any money I made from paper routes, shoveling snow etc. went there. At this time I wasn't serious about sets but bought a handful of cards from each year that I liked. Goudeys, T206, $5 for a 54 T. Williams (my mother thought I was crazy). As Card collecting took off, I lost interest. In 1980, I was a freshman in college and got disgusted by what I thought were inflated prices and stopped collecting for some time. In the late 80's / early 90's I got interested in finishing the sets of my youth. I found a place in Boston ( Baystate coins) who had commons pretty cheap. I overpaid for most of the stars at weekend shows around the Boston area. I also started buying cards from Teletrade, mainly lots of Bowman cards and the occasional big ticket item (T206 Cobb for $170 was the 1998 to 2001 I discovered Ebay and OBC around the same time. As a single guy in the IT field, I had a lot of disposable income so I decided to build a lower condition 33 Goudey set. I had 2 from when I was a kid, and now only need 2 cards (Ruth and Gehrig, not counting Lajoie), about 90% of the set came from ebay. I also discovered OBC while doing an internet search. I thought it was too good to be true, people who love BB cards for what they are, not what they are worth. I'm recently married, with two step-children and a dog. Money is not as disposable. My goal is too keep card collecting as close to income neutral as possible. I've cut out a lot of sets. I've sold a lot of BB memorabilia (W/S tickets, autographs) on ebay and used the money to buy T206's and other cards. I've sold a few cards including the 76 set, but not any cards that I've received from OBC. With the proding of Steve Rittenburg, I've even started up a few FB and Hockey sets of my youth. Someday, after the kids have all been put through college, I just may finish the 33 Goudey set. Thanks IGGY for asking the question. Thanks OBC for re-igniting my passion. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there anything worse... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:12:12 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I try and be philosophical about it. I figure that I've only X amount of money to spend on cards. If someone (even a dealer) snipes me out of a 41 Playball, I'll just use the money to buy a T206. Good luck next time! -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 10:05 PM To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there anything worse... than getting sniped on ebay.... by a DEALER. I need help with this issue. I can't stand getting sniped and often throw a fit when it happens. I feel like someone has taken something away that is MINE. What's worse, I've invested the time to find the item, bid on it and watch the item close and get NOTHING for it. I don't believe that a similar or better deal will turn up eventually because in the meantime I am going to spending even more time searching. I hate getting sniped by a collector but at least I know that someone like me is going to enjoy the cards. A dealer is only going to flip them and raise prices for collectors like me. Maybe I should quit bidding on ebay if I "can't stand the heat". I don't know what to do. Throwing a fit at the sniper makes things worse. Thanks for listening. I'm interesting in hearing if anyone else has this problem and if so, how they deal with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 22:20:53 EST Subject: a new name for a sportscard dealer To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- after seeing the prices Levi Bleam of 707 Sportscards charges for 52 topps by observing his cards at his table at the last National here in 2000 i think he should be called 707% Profit Sportscards. Linda ================= To: , "Robert Reed" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:25:33 -0800 From: "yaz" A breakdown of the 'Yaz' collecting history. 1961-1965 'Breakfast/Good Boy/Gambling Phase' ... Massachusetts, Cut outs from the Post Cereal boxes, A couple of 1962 Rack packs from Mom and being a good card flipper at school during recess and after school against my neighbor's house. 1965-1971 'Pop Bottle/Trading Phase' ... California, Pop bottles bought the cards in packs, trades completed the sets, ('66 thru '69). 1971 'Rock and Roll is Here to Stay, Baseball Cards Must Go Away Phase' Sold my collection for money to buy Rock records. (Rolling Stones, Buffalo 1772-1975 'Lost Years Phase' No cards. 1975 'Red Sox In the World Series Phase' Had to have cards of Yaz, Rice, Lynn, Evans, Tiant, Fisk, Etc. Bought the whole '75 set from an add in the Sporting News. 1976-1981 Mail Order/Box 'O Packs/Card Show Phase' Bought lots by mail, cheap for awhile, bought wholesale wax boxes and made sets. Card shows began to show up and I went looking for older star cards. 1981-1991 'Trying to Keep Up With the Card Glut/More Shows/Some Trades Phase' Actually spent some of my time at the infrequent shows I attended looking for deals on the new stuff because I had trouble keeping up. Finally had to let some sets go and just complete one or two a year. Still mostly bought cards in packs, sometimes a box at a time. Found 3 or 4 trrading partners and usually went after their older cards for my extra new stuff. 1991-1996 'Shows and Little Else Phase' One or two shows a year trying to get older cards. The shows dwindled greatly though. Trading partners faded away after I got what I could from them. New ones didn't develope. Quit buying new cards in disgust because of the millions of new sets. I had become a card magnet however. People found cards and brought them to me, A friend who was a Denny's manager supplied me with cards for a few years from their series of Grand Slam cards. I ended up with a ramshackle collection of 90s cards without buying them. Added very few older cards because of the hig h prices at the few card shows I saw. 1996-Present 'OBC/Ebay Phase' Getting online was everything I had been hoping for for years. OBC polished off a dozen or so almost done sets from the 70s and 80s right away. Then I started getting serious about the older sets I had had the most success in so far. Mainly bought Lots on Ebay and other auctions so as to have cards to send out to the great OBC guys who were burying me with cards. At the occasional Card show I looked for star cards I needed instead of numbers. A card shop closed in town around '97 or '98 and for about two weeks marked down their inventory daily. I spent every spare penny I could find there. Unfortunatly, the five or six other card shops that have been in town, (some still exist), have never had older cards that were reasonably priced and therefore have not been a source of my Boy, that took an hour. ;~) Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Reed" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? > Sounds like a good topic. I'll join in. I broke down my collecting into > phases: > The Kid Years - 1969 to 1979 > From the age of 6 to 16 I got my cards mostly through packs. My cousins > give me their cards which were mostly from 1965 to 1968. > The Box Years - 1980 to 1982 > Most of my cards from these years came from boxes. My dad owned a small > convience/liquor store and I used to order the candy supplies. Just about > every month I would pick up a box of cards. Unfortunatly he sold the > in 1982. > The College Years - 1983 to 1986 > Since I was in college I didn't have a lot of extra money to spend on > I did manage to order complete sets through mail order every year and > up some packs here and there. Howard Sports in Ohio was my favorite mail > order company. > The Bachelor Years - 1987 to 1990 > Bought mostly boxes at warehouse clubs like Sams and Price Club. It > figures, I finally had money to spend on cards and had over produced crap > choose from. > The Married Years - 1991 to 1997 > My second slowest period besides college. Did ok until the kids started > coming in 1993. Bought from different places include warehouse clubs, > orders, and stores. > The OBC/Married Years - 1998 to 2002 > My most productive period. Cards came via eBay(25%), Shows(20%), generous > OBC members(45%) and other sources(10%). Was able to turn my pre-1964 > from about 500 to 5000. > -Bob R. > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there anything worse... Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 21:56:12 -0800 From: "yaz" I'm afraid the only way to keep from being sniped and still get cards on ebay is to snipe yourself. However, never under ANY circumstances snipe someone who's user name is 'yazmon'. This is illegal or something and a big boulder will crash down on you from the sky if you do. Really. Greg (yaz) ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is there anything worse... than getting sniped on ebay.... by a DEALER. I need help with this issue. I can't stand getting sniped and often throw a fit when it happens. I feel like someone has taken something away that is MINE. What's worse, I've invested the time to find the item, bid onit and watch the item close and get NOTHING for it. I don't believe thata similar or better deal will turn up eventually because in the meantime Iam going to spending even more time searching. I hate getting sniped by a collector but at least I know that someone like me is going to enjoy the cards. A dealer is only going to flip them andraise prices for collectors like me. Maybe I should quit bidding on ebay if I "can't stand the heat". I don't know what to do. Throwing a fit at the sniper makes things worse. Thanks for listening. I'm interesting in hearing if anyone else has this problem and if so, how they deal with it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 23:09:39 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" Okay, I'm in. I don't think I could ever say no to any idea that Iggy has now. :-) I am a 3 phase guy, the basic scenario that many of us have probably Phase 1: 1968-1970 (The Happy Kid Phase) Most of my action during this brief period was concentrated in that magical year, 1968. I bought lots and lots of those beautiful 5 cent packs with the beautiful yellow wrapper -- at the drugstore, the news stand, the candy store, the convenience store -- wherever I could. I bought some packs in 1969 and only a few in 1970, probably due to the price increase when they went up to a dime. Many of these cards were thrown into a shoebox that will play a prominent role in Phase 2. I practiced my autograph on lots of these cards, and I hope Jeff Sackmann still has the 1969 Mel Stottlemyre that I signed, informally, "Mel". Speaking of those 1968 wax packs, one of the absolutely coolest things I have in my treasure collection is a re-wrapped pack that I made from a nice '68 wrapper, a slab of gum and some original cards. If you haven't made one of these to recreate your childhood, I highly recommend it! Phase 2: 1988-1998 (The Rediscovery) Yes, there's quite a gap there between 1970 and 1988. Junior High, High School, College, Job, Red Sox games, Girlfriend, Engagement... that kind of stuff was happening. And then, one day... I took the shoebox out of the attic in my parent's house when I was 28 years old. This was also the year I got married. I discovered an unmolested (and unautographed) Nolan Ryan rookie card in the box, along with about half the '68 set, and the quest began to complete it. At a few card shops and a few card shows I managed to scrounge up most of the cards I needed to finish the 1968 set. This is over a 10 year period! I also invested heavily in 1988 Topps cards during that year when I rediscovered the wonder of cardboard, buying many more packs than I care to admit to. That set may hold the distinction of being about the most worthless set ever produced in the history of Topps cards. But it's BIG! You might be able to get a good price from a scrap paper dealer if you ever wanted to unload that one... Phase 3: 1999 - Forever (The Happy Adult Phase) You can guess what I discovered in 1999... OBC and eBay. Actually, I think I found OBC in 1998, but didn't get around to joining until the next year. I pretty quickly liquidated all the 1968 dupes and the few 1969 and 1970 cards that I had by sending them out in small packages to as many guys as I could. At this time in my life (1999) I had never owned a baseball card from the '50s. I'm not sure I had even SEEN many of them. I have now :-) In addition to eBay and OBC I have picked up a few cards from my all time favorite card store, Bay State Coin (as seen in Bob Donaldson's report). This store is still a treasure for commons and old junk, and I even bought something out of the display case last year - my one and only T204 Ramly card. This store is part pawn shop, part coin store, part baseball card and other stuff store and completely a nut house at all times. Worth the trip! I spend most of my time scrounging eBay for star cards at 2% of high book value. And that's only if they're good enough for the demanding staff of the Tipton Mint... You can probably guess that my collection is growing slowly, but I'm not in a big hurry right now. If it wasn't 11:08 I could probably think of something else to say but I suppose that will have to do for now. Good night, and see you tomorrow. - Rick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gonzalez, Ignacio Alberto" To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? > Hey! (an excellent ramble followed...) ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 00:03:52 EST Subject: The Collecting Years!!! (early) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com .............as the moon set over the Garden of Eden, I crawled from behind an apple tree and collected my first card..........................that of a viper! Then Adam and Eve doin it in THE Garden (small set of 50!). No, Linda, I am not 90, as Kolenda and Geno have been trying to convince you! My collecting years were 1948-1954. I grew up in a small suburb of Philly where we road our bikes to the drugstore (either POISON (named because of the sign in the window)or Clearfield) and bought 5 cent packs. Ok, maybe some 1 centers in 1950. Money was made by carrying groceries to ladies' cars and every 5 cents was spent on packs! Many hours also spent with wads of gum on the end of a stick fishing through the grates around the store through which some ungrateful, unenlightened churl had tossed his/her cards and kept the My best buddy, Tom S. (last name withheld as he was indicted and convicted for stealing $ from estate settlements, though thankfully not cards) had many of the 1940 and 41 Gum Incs from his Dad's collection, and when we flipped, I was always intent on winning those beauties! The 52 Topps were strange and ugly. Oversized, and unreal pictures lowered their popularity. Screw the Hi #s, as we were back in school and collecting the 52 Bowman Football set when the hi series surreptiously hit the market, albeit briefly. The roar of the road and scent of young womanhood had me hanging up my cards in '54, as I headed for the open road and wonders beyond collecting. They were stored neatly in sets (though not complete) in my parents' attic ...and the sets carefully placed under the eaves, as I knew my mother was too fat to bend over and confiscate them. The dupes, however, sat in a mixed jumble, about 600 strong, by the attic pull down door, and they disappeared with the "cleaning of 57"! That was also my first college year, and combined with graduate school, job movements, and several forays abroad, the old cards were not visited until the late 1970s, when I was married with two children and returned to the Philadelphia area. It was probably 1982 when the church fair "junk booth" learned I had been a collector and asked me to price a box. They were from 1976-78, and after buying a price book and seeing there was value, I bought these cards and dug out the oldies, still in the same shoe box. at the old homestead. My collecting since then has been fast and furious. Over this x-mas, my two sons both asked me to chronicalize (word?) my collecting stories which some of you know: (ie: the Bail Bondsman T-206 set, the suicide Wood collection of 1952-56, the steamer trunk meltdown of T-206s, Betty Miller's Father's 1887-88 collection, etc.) and I will probably do this before the family Alzheimer tradition strikes! It has been fun......and led me into other fields of collecting. OBC will never cease to amaze me. There are many times when I am feeling on the low side that a small envelope (or large PUFFY!) will arrive to turn me around. Doesn't so much matter if it is a great card or not, just mostly the thought that one of you folks would take the time and effort to hit the P.O. on my behalf. Hope I have been able to do the same on occasion. A happy collecting year to all OBCers and their families.! The Grizzled One ================= To: Subject: Winter Olympics Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:03:22 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Lately, I've fielded several questions about the Olympics here in Salt LakeCity, so I thought I would post a ramblings! The down side for me, as an air traffic controller at Salt Lake Tracon, is that my February is toast. Two, maybe 3 days off at most all month, with tons of overtime. I can't really get into the details, but the security measures being taken are very restrictive and unprecedented, for obvious reasons. The games WILL BE safe and enjoyable for those who attend. The upside is that I'm honored to be a small part of it all, and it should be a memorable adventure. AND BEST OF ALL, I will be meeting one, maybe two, OBCers!! Ed Pike bought a bunch of tickets to the events, and he will be the proud occupant of my basement for a week. I know TPLY will be as busy as me, and it will be a miracle if we can hook up- but I know we will both try. I am looking forward to meeting these guys. And I am looking forward to some free, quiet time in March and getting serious with some outbound cards. Take care, Marshall West ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: collecting Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 13:04:19 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, here's my breakdown. 70-73... bought my 10 cent packs at a corner store called "jules" market. yes, this is the now infamous candy store steps i sat on as a kid. in those days all we cared about were pirate cards and maybe a willie mays or johnny bench if you were lucky. i didn't flip much for fear of losing those precious cards but i would trade for any card i didn't have. the store closed in 1974 so my collecting went on the back burner until..... 87-93.... when my son matthew was born i thought it would be cool to get him the topps set for that year. i was working for kmart at the time so that part was easy. on a trip to york mall (pa) i saw the dealer scum selling cards and visions of dollar signs appeared in my head. the next trip to moms in pittsburgh had me digging out the old shoeboxes. i sold a few 72 topps cards to one of the scum for cheap (though i thought i did okay), until my loop around the tables found him selling MY CARDS! for twice what he paid me. i've never sold a card since except some new stuff on ebay.. i went crazy buying cards until 91, used to go through all the cases in the stockroom and pick out the packs that i knew to have good cards within. a friend gave me a large brown grocery bag full of cards that had been in her closet. low and behold these were the cards from my youth with a bunch of 68, 69 cards as well (including two ryan rookies and dupes of the 480 and 490 cards as well). that got me back to filling sets from 68 to 73 without much luck. 94-june '01.... too many cards too much money!! june '01 to present.... found obc on the internet and the rest is history. 71,72,78 sets completed. 68,70 sets close. many sets added and having a every envelope reminds me of those days sitting on the steps at jules, chewing gum and hoping for a clemente or a stargell. thanks guys Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2002 16:17:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps Bob Feller - We have a winner! From: "david_skoglund_mn" Man, I wish I had a few more '53 Bob Feller cards to spread around. Everyone presented solid reasons, and backed them up with some good stories. They were too good not to share, so here they are. In the end, the deserving recipient was identified. You'll have to read to the end of the email to find the winner. ===================================================================== My Essay on Why Bob Would Feel at Home with Me I feel your Tipton Bob Feller would be a great fit for me, for one simple reason: I am myself a true Tipton. One look at me and you would see it. You know how they say dogs and their owners start looking alike? I increasingly resemble the "best loved" treasures in my collection. Start at the top, where a loss of hair is increasingly evident, like the loss of gloss on an old card. Round corners? You bet! I am rounder all the time. Creases? I got 'em, and plenty too! And talk about rough around the edges, six months of intense therapy with Miss Manners couldn't smooth this old coot's edges. There is definitely some layering going on too. I added several more layers during this past holiday season. The definition is definitely gone. I can't tell for sure, but I think I was miscut somewhere down the line. At least no one would choose these cuts! Look real close and I think there may be a pinhole that allows light to pass from one side of my head to the other. But, like your wonderful Bob, I have my good characteristics: I don't have any water damage, and I am well loved (not sure why, but a saint of a wife is the reason). So, if you want Bob to feel at home, I am the owner for the job! Doug DeJong ===================================================================== It's very nice to hear from you again! Hope all is well with you and yours, but let me cut to the chase and get right to telling you how much I must have the 1953 Bob Feller card that you dangle in front of me like the proverbial mule and carrot. In 1994 I went to Cooperstown to watch as my 2 favorite ballplayers were inducted into the Hall of Fame. Mike Schmidt and Richie Ashburn. It was hot. I love baseball, and more specifically baseball cards. More specifically, baseball cards of Hall of Famers. While in Cooperstown, I intended on buying baseball cards of Hall of Famers. I had been to Cooperstown before, but neither during Induction Weekend, nor with sufficient money to buy baseball cards of Hall of Famers. This time I was poised. It was very hot in Cooperstown that weekend. I never collected autographs. It's only fun to get an autograph in person, not buy them from a catalog. Cooperstown has many , many shops to buy cards and / or autographs. I accidentally nearly stepped on Bob Feller's toe at a card shop in August 1994, Cooperstown New York. Temperature 90 degress +. Bob Feller was due to sign autographs at this particular shop, on that particular day. It was the first time that I'd ever seen a Hall of Famer. I bought his autograph, after bumping into him, literally. Bob signed an 8x10 fashioned from a magazine cover that celebrated his 1946 No-Hitter against the Yankees in New York. I wanted to ask him about the bandages on his hands in the picture. He wanted to talk about the heat. Bob told me that he'd been coming nearly every year to the Induction Weekend for 30 years or more and had never seen it so hot. Then he told me about the No-Hitter. Told me that he'd formed a big blister on his pitching hand in the second inning, nearly left the game because of it. Hurt like hell he said, but you just don't even shutout the Yankees, never mind no-hit them ! He told the story while shaking his head...almost like he was still amazed at his feat. He signed the picture as so : Bob Feller 1946 vs. Yankees MY MY I became a big Bob Feller fan. I saw Bob later that weekend at the department store next to the Hall, signing again. I waited in line for 30 minutes to get him to sign a baseball for me. I bought a 53 Bowman Richie Ashburn, another Mike Schmidt rookie card, and a 1954 Bowman of Bob Feller as a memento of my trip. That was the long way around saying that I'm interested in the well- loved version of that Bob Feller card for my 53 set. It's not just another number to cross off the list. Thanks for listening... Brian Lindholme ===================================================================== Hi, Dave! I am writing to put in my request for the 1953 Topps Bob Feller card. Why should I be the one honored with the cardboard? Based on your description, it would likely be the best card in my 1953 set, and so it would force me to upgrade the rest of the binder. Bob Feller has always been a favorite of mine. I have his book (Now Pitching, Bob Feller) and his autograph. The oldest card in my collection is a Bob Feller (a 4-in-1 card from the late-1930s--can you picture a baby- faced Feller?). I even drove through his hometown (Van Meter, Iowa) once, in his Best wishes, Mike Wierzbicki ===================================================================== Dear Mr. Skoglund, Thank you for your interest in The Tipton Mint. As you know, each year The Tipton Mint receives far more qualified applications than we can accommodate in our limited space for new acquisitions, and this year is no exception. The admissions committee regrets to inform you that it will be unable to offer your 1953 Topps Bob Feller card space among the new acquisitions for the Winter of 2002. Please understand that this decision was a very difficult one to make, and that it is our loss more than yours. We sincerely wish you the very best as you embark on this new phase of your card's life, and again, we are truly sorry that it will not be possible to accommodate your card here, with us. Incidentally, we do not usually divulge any of the comments made by the admissions committee to anyone, inside or outside of the Mint, however, in your case it seems only fair to mention two factors that may have influenced the committee and its decision. First, the centering on your Feller card is slightly off. Perhaps you didn't notice this, and perhaps it was simply an oversight that you left this detail off of the application? We noticed it, you can be sure. Second, and far more serious, is the small matter of that tiny white mark just to the left of the first "B" in "Bob". Surely you didn't think we would overlook that! We didn't even need a microscope to find it. Printer mark, dust speck or molecular imperfection in the cardboard, it doesn't really matter. It was clearly distracting to all those who examined the card. Finally, although the Tipton Mint will be unable to accommodate your card, we would like to suggest that you send it to Mr. Bill Malson, of North Canton, Ohio. We feel he would be an excellent choice and an admirable individual with whom you can safely trust your card for a happy and healthy 2002, and beyond. Sincerely Yours, The Tipton Mint ===================================================================== Skoglund? Stan Hack here. Listen up Skoglund, okay? Look at me for a second, Skoglund, would ya? All right. Skoglund, you're feeling very sleepy right now. Your eyelids are getting very heavy. You can't keep your eyes open. Skoglund, you are falling into a deep, peaceful sleep. While you are sleeping, Skoglund, I am going to tell you who to send the 1953 Feller card to, okay? I will say the name once, then I will count to 3 and when I get to 3 you will wake up, Skoglund. You will not remember me, you will not remember falling asleep. You will only remember who you are going to send the card too, okay? Skoglund, you will send the card to Bill Malson. Okay, 1, 2, 3.... Stan Hack ===================================================================== Hi David, When you see what MY 1953 Topps Bob Feller card looks like you will know why I practically fell out of my chair after looking at the picture of YOUR card!!! That is it!!! The long lost rest of my card!!! Finally!!! I MUST HAVE IT!!! For many years I have been carrying around with me this wispy little paper fragment that shows part of Feller's face and part of his hat, thinking, hoping against hope, that I might someday come upon the rest of the card from which my little scrap was once, long ago, peeled off. And now I have found it! Think of my joy! Think of the headlines! "Reunited After Nearly 50 Years!" It is nothing short of a miracle, David!!! Can there be any doubt about who you will send your (my) Bob Feller card to now? Of course not. It should go to Bill Malson, Tribe Fan through thick and thin, tireless collector of old Indians, someone who needs just 2 more cards from the '53 set, and one of them is Feller of course, a generous OBC guy, AND, not only that, but just a few days ago (December 26th, 2001 to be exact) he turned 50 years old! What better belated birthday present could there possibly be! As much as I love your fine old Tipton collectible, I don't need it and I shouldn't have it. But Bill should. I trust you to do the right thing David. Thanks! Rick Redpath ===================================================================== So, those are the entries. I think you've all probably figured out that Bill Malson is the lucky winner of the card. With three requests to send it to him, with none of them coming from Bill himself, the outcome is clear. Bill, the card is in the mail. I am certain that even if it gets damaged in transit, you'll never know the difference. Thanks for playing. I'll have to dig up another card for round David Skoglund ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:25:35 EST Subject: Re: What to do with your 1960 Topps? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/4/02 11:05:02 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Has anyone come up with an answer other than "stop thinking about this"? I want the cards need to stay in numerical order. If I re-arrange the cards by team and group all the combo and manager cards together, then I won't know if the set is complete. >> Steve (all), If it's going to bother you that much, then put 18 cards in the pages back to back so you don't see them It'll conserve on pages too, especially since you're collecting the color variations... you can put one of each color in one slot. As far as the sniping thing goes... ever buy a card somewhere, only to immediately see it elsewhere (and usually six or seven times elsewhere in my case) for less than you just paid? That's what's happening to the people who sniped you. I've found that with very few exceptions, a card will sell at your target price eventually (provided your price is somewhat realistic). Good things come to those who wait. You could also rationalize it another way: if they outbid you, then they overpaid. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 12:33:39 EST Subject: Road trip To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Hey gang, It's kinda last minute (as are most of my travels), but I'm headed down to Charlotte to see the Pats run over the hapless Panthers. I probably won't have any time on the way down, but I just realized I don't have any plans on the way back. Maybe I can stop by on the road home and swap a few cards? My apologies to those not on the east coast - I'll have to make that trip some time in the future :-) BTW, I also have one extra ticket to the game if anyone's interested and happens to be close by... they're in the corner of the end zone (not by choice Mac, so don't say "I told you so") I'm bringing the laptop with me, so I'll be able to ramble a little more later on. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 19:59:35 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Bob Feller - We have a winner! To: david.skoglund@att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com WTG guys...now this is MY OBC in action! ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 20:12:56 EST Subject: 'Tis the season to give away Bob Feller cards!! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Since this is the season to give away Bob Feller cards-i have one available- a 1950 Bowman # 6-If you want it request a scan of the card i can send you by e-mail then after you see it write me back with your reason for wanting it- the reason i like best wins it- ( if i wanted it i would give a reason like- "Sure, Linda, i would be happy to take that card off your hands of that guy who no hit your Yankees- he had a blister on his finger that day- bet he would have had a blister on his ear if you would have been in the stands that day and given him your opinion on pitching a no- hitter against your Yankees!!)-Remember this card is from the scarce low numbers of the 50 bowman set and i don't feel like keeping any card around of a guy who pitched a no- hitter against my Yankees!!!---Linda ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 21:23:46 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Collecting history From: Originaleek@webtv.net I really have enjoyed the last few days reading about folk's collecting As much as I hate to ramble (good thing I'm writing this because it would be hard to talk with tongue in cheek) I am compelled to respond. Some of you have heard some or all of this, so this is for those who haven't. Like most things with me the histroy is pretty simple with just three phases. Phase one was when I was 12 years old (1958) and had my first paper route. What a thrill it was to have anywhere from $3 to $7 left after I paid for my papers each week. The only two stores close to my house were Pik Nik's and Fanger's Market. Both sold Baseball cards in the bright yellow wax paper with the red Topps logo. Just 5 cents (I just discovered I don't have a cent sign on my keyboard) a pack. I honestly don't remember how many cards in a pack (5 or 6 I think), but I remember the flat rectangular shaped stick of gum. Some times I would get my cruddy buddy's little brother to pick out the cards and give him the gum. He seemed to be very lucky. I continued to collect cards until 1962 when three things happened in sequence. First, I turned Second, I got an Ice Cream route (you had to be 16). Third I met a girl on my route who bought a Eskimo Pie from me everyday (at least for the first couple weeks then she got them free.) Well, between double features at the Della Theatre, malts and cherry cokes at Gute's Drug Store and gifts for Christie, there was no money in the budget for Second Phase: Fast Forward to 1988, my only son (after 3 daughters) is 8 years old and brings home some baseball cards and asked me who the "good players" were. One thing led to the next and he brings home a price guide. One look at some of the prices of the 58 thru 62 cards and Dustin and I were at Grandma's searching the attic for my collection of cards. Sure enough, there in an old trunk (right where mom said) were the 3 shoe boxes full of cards. For the next few years Dustin and I attended local card shows trading, buying and selling cards in an attempt to collect all standard edition Topps Detroit Tiger cards from 62 forward. Made a nice dent, then Travel Hockey happened. Hockey was our life. No time, money or energy left for cards, although I managed to get at least the Tiger sets during those years. Third Phase: Dustin's in high school where cars and girls slow down the Hockey schedule and dad is left to continue the Tiger card quest on his One saturday afternoon a couple years ago as I'm playing with a new toy my wife bought me -WebTV- I cyber space into Baseball Card Collectors Heaven, OBC. The rest as they say, is history!! Sorry about the length, I said I was simple not succinct. We keep what we give away! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: postal blues Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 02:54:47 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, as i've mentioned before i have several packages due out that have been promised to some of you. today my best intentions were to get those in the mail. i carted those i had addressed to work only to find that my employer (in their never ending quest to develop moral) had posted a message in the office stating that employees would no longer be permitted to purchase postage. i thought this to be particularly generous of them to allow us to mail our things without paying and said so. of course they told me i was mistaken and to take my crazy **&#! back to my department. i did manage to scrounge a couple of stamps from the bottom of my desk and those went in the mail. the rest will go soon. i got home to the packages previously mentioned in my thanks (motivation) and prepared to address the rest of my outgoing mail only to find that we didn't have any envelopes. ARGH!!! i've spent the last hour or so folding manillas into card shape packages, stuffing and addressing them. i am determined to get these into the mail. never fear, the cards will get there, sooner, or later...? Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:22:18 EST Subject: My collecting history .and a request for help To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Let me make the request first: Terry Dietrick, John Hathcock, Doug Julien, Dennis Linden, Bob Wells, and Kevin Wolf have not responded to the request for OBC dues payments despite several attempts to reach them. Robby Moore and Bob Farrell have bad (at least from me) email addresses. If you know these guys or live near them would be please contact them and see if they want to remain in OBC? I know several of them have been active recently. It sure would be nice if they would either pay their dues or tell us to drop them rather than us just dumping them because they haven't responded. Thanks for you help. If you do reach them please let me know. I began collecting as a kid in the Chicago area. I think I bought most of my cards from a candy story next to the movie theater. I guess I started collected in 1952 or so and stopped buying cards after 1958. My mother did not throw mine out and I've moved them all over the country for the last 40 years. I loved to play games with the cards and devised my own games ... i think it usually involved cards and dice. I wrote on many of the older ones, changed their teams, better defined their positions ..any my team always won. My cards from 52, 53, and 54 are pretty beat up (so are the few older ones I must have traded for). I must have really liked the TV cards because my 55 Bowmans are really beat up, my 55 Topps like new. The 56, 57, and 58 topps are in great shape to. I must have completely succumed to the fumes (perfume and gasoline) at age 15, because thats where my collection stopped. For the 60's, 70's and 80's my collecting came to a halt ...disrupted by career, marriage, and kids. All 3 of my boys collected cards and I was happy to support their hobby but never got involved myself. Until about 1989 when my 7 year old son said "dad do you still have your cards?" Well I got them out and we went wild, buying boxes of Score and Donruss, and other cheap cards by the box, madly ripping open the packs to complete the sets. We'd go to card shows and slowly I got back to trying to finish some of my older sets. A few years of collecting and my son went on to other things. I stumbled into online trading. Somewhere in 1994 Bob Corvello introduced me to OBC and the rest is history. I've long ago finished my topps and bowman sets from 52-58 (well not so long ago for the 52's), expanded into the 70's and finished the 69 set. Finished the 48 Bowman set and made pretty good progress on the 49's ..thought I had finished the 50 set but recently discovered 4 holes in my binder (77 (Snider), 109, 110, and 163). Down to 4 51B's too (anyone have an extra Mays?). Somewhere along the line I discovered prewar ... T206's, Ty Cobb cards, Mathewson cards, Mello-mint, Goudey, Playball. .... thanks OBC. And I have my kids cards safely put away ..they'll get them back when they're ready. - Doug ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Goin' mobile Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:55:35 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" 10 45pm Friday. With luck, Ken has left the frozen north on his way here to Maryland. ETA 4am. From here, we'll go down to the Carolinas and spend a few days there. The highlights for me are seeing a NE Patriots vs Carolina Panthers game and potential meeting with area OBCers. I just went out and upgraded the modem on my laptop so that I can stay in touch while on the trip. I'm goin' mobile!! ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goin' mobile Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:46:39 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" Ken and Steve, road-tripping through the mid-Atlantic. That's a scary thought, actually. I have relatives all over North Carolina-- I hope they'll be safe. Ken, wouldn't it be a kick in the head if the Panthers (I'm not going to say "my Panthers"-- I'm not that much of a masochist) rose up and clawed the Patriots? They're not as bad as 1-14 would suggest-- they've lost7 games by a total of 17 points. Don't take them for granted (or as my students write, don't take them for granite). You guys have a great time! ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: Ramblings Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 9:55 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goin' mobile 10 45pm Friday. With luck, Ken has left the frozen north on his way here to Maryland. ETA 4am. From here, we'll go down to the Carolinas and spend a few days there. The highlights for me are seeing a NE Patriots vs Carolina Panthers game and potential meeting with area OBCers. I just went out and upgraded the modem on my laptop so that I can stay intouch while on the trip. I'm goin' mobile!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:51:24 EST Subject: Need T206 advice To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM Can somebody check out this auction and LMK if this is an original. I would love to bid on it but I'm not a T collector and would appreciate some help. http://page.auctions.shopping.yahoo.com/auction/59326801 ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:54:56 EST Subject: Ebay question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com As many of you know I am a binge Ebayer. I'll buy a great amount in one sitting and then not for quite a while after. I am somewhat surprised as I look through the listings of how many sellers DONT take Paypal. Did I miss something along the line, is there a reason that Paypal has fallen from grace, or is it just my imagination? I like Paypal more than sending out a check for $2.00 and then having the seller wait 10 days for it to clear, and then expect me to give him positive feedback. (It seems as the norn is that as long as you get the card you are expected to give positive feedback). Rest Well, ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 00:01:29 -0500 From: "John Collins" I think that many ebay sellers have quit accepting paypal because of the high fees that they charge. I'm not sure what the percentages are, but somebody recently paid me $200 for a card I had for sale, and I wound up gettinglike $198 something after paypal took their fees out. I guess if you are a dealer, it can add up pretty quickly on lots if that is how you make your living. ----- Original Message ----- From: topgolf@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question As many of you know I am a binge Ebayer. I'll buy a great amount in one sitting and then not for quite a while after. I am somewhat surprised as I look through the listings of how many sellers DONT take Paypal. Did I miss something along the line, is there a reason that Paypal has fallen from grace, or is it just my imagination? I like Paypal more than sending out a check for $2.00 and then having the seller wait 10 days for it to clear, and then expect me to give him positive feedback. (It seems as the norn is that as long as you get the card youare expected to give positive feedback). Rest Well, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 00:08:46 -0500 To: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: Mark S Talbot Hi Mike, I'm not sure but I think PayPal charges you a fee to accept payments after your account reaches a certain volume. When the service began it was FREE - but as we all eventually find out FREE isn't always so free. I'm not positive but I think that's what the deal is. Can anybody back me on this one? BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * topgolf@aol.com wrote: > As many of you know I am a binge Ebayer. I'll buy a great amount in one > sitting and then not for quite a while after. > I am somewhat surprised as I look through the listings of how many sellers > DONT take Paypal. Did I miss something along the line, is there a reason > that Paypal has fallen from grace, or is it just my imagination? > I like Paypal more than sending out a check for $2.00 and then having the > seller wait 10 days for it to clear, and then expect me to give him positive > feedback. (It seems as the norn is that as long as you get the card you are > expected to give positive feedback). > Rest Well, > Mike > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: PayPal Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 22:07:16 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- Here's the note I sent Mike about why I think Paypal volume has dropped off: Mike -- Paypal kind of alienated folks because they don't let you accept payment from folks who fund their account with a credit card unless you upgrade your free membership to a paying one. I still have my account, and some people still pay with it (if they fund through a checking account), but nearly as much as they used to. Hope that helps... Take Care, Geno ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody Else Want to Join In? Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 23:48:23 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Here's my story. 1969: A first grader, who shall remain nameless, stopped at the B&B Variety Store across the street from Mary Snow Elementary in Bangor, Maine, twenty-five cents worth of allowance in his pocket. What to buy......candy, gum, or.....hey, what are those? Baseball cards? With gum inside? Cool! 1970-1973: Weekly trips to the Hinky Dinky in Bellevue, Nebraska with that quarter allowance. A box of Lemonheads or Red Hots, and 2 packs of cards. In the spring and summer, baseball; in the fall, football, in the winter, basketball. Most of the football and basketball were traded for more baseball cards. 1974-1976: Infrequent stops at the Rexall Drug in Stevensville, Montana for an occasional pack or two of cards. Increasing allowance spent on records, airplane models, Mad Magazines, and other unimportant (they seemed important at the time) things. 1977-1989: Graduated high school, college, got married; you know, the 1990: Bend, Oregon. Strolling through the mall with my 8-month old daughter cooing contentedly (malls seem to have that effect on women) when I see a group of people gathered around some tables. What were they all looking at? Baseball cards? Cool! My first purchase was a 64 Topps Yaz. I also picked up some packs of new cards. I hate to admit it, but I really liked those first couple years of Upper Deck. Clean white borders, great photos, no UV coating. 1991: Moved to Belgrade Montana. Continued buying new card material. Why are the new cards so shiny? Bought some old Yaz cards at card shows; probably overpaid. August 1992: Moved into new house; hooked up computer-a screaming 286-12 with a 10MB hard drive and a 2400 baud modem. Decided to try this new online service called Prodigy-I was PNMW76A. In no time at all, I found a small group of old card collectors. Like myself, they didn't care about condition or value, they just enjoyed collecting. The rest, as they say, is history. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 02:26:30 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My collecting story From: Josephine Sue Young The more of these I read, the more I'm amazed at the similar path we all took. Change the dates and the store names, and one story becomes First Pack: Those other cool greys (yellow?) 83 fleer purhased with the weekly $1 allowance...Sticker, no gum. Scrounged relentlessy for money...especially that extra 11cents that allowed me to get 3 packs instead of 2. Other Sources: My cousins Dan/Don/Dean from Michigan gave their collection of 75 minis and 76's to me. On the same trip, I purchase my first pack of Topps. I remember getting a 83T Yaz out of the pack...wow he's old I thought. Primary Collecting Years: 1983-1988 I rose to become the baseball card baron of my neighborhood. I was a ruthless trader as a kid...Mantle, Aaron, early Yaz cards acquired for some tired old Atari 2600 games. Also, the local twins favorites were sacrificed to maintain my superstar monopoly. My Moms favorite story about this time was when the local sports reporter brought his kids with to trade baseball cards with me. While my mother watched the two kids, we conducted our business in the dining room. Gap in collection:1989-1994 as other things became important How I got back in: Friend took me into a memorabilia store...walked out with a 33G eddie collins, a few packs and a renewed interest. The OBC experience: Bought a bunch of UV boxes, but wasn't real interested in amassing card, but I had lots of fun trading them. I converted most of my UV efforts into Puckett (15,000 or so), Ripken (2,000) and Roberto Alomar cards (5,000). I always kept an interest in the old stuff during this time, but I could never find anybody to trade with. I was working on 71, 76, 79 sets, but wasn't getting anywhere...when I stumbled upon the OBC site. I was amazed by the concept then...and continue to be amazed by the group to this day. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 04:20:48 EST Subject: Encoragement (?) from my son; view on collecting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com ....how he sees it! Great piece Dad! In the next chapter, be sure to reminisce about the countless hours spent driving through "up and coming" areas like Sturbridge MA., and that s...hole (Danbury) in Connecticut that became a local card store stop during Summer vacations to Maine. Also, the perils and prizesof employing children and their friends to help you buy and sell cards and memorabilia (Andy's Christy Mathewson pin that he sold for a $1 at a show when you were in the men's room))....sounds like the making of a book for you! I will help edit! ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 13:47:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Any want to join in From: "rayluurs" My card collecting started in 1963 as i sat at teh breakfast table trying hard to cut cards off the box without cutting the wax inside that held the cereal in the box. I am kind of impatient waiting to finish the box so i would take cards off as mom pulled boxes out of grocery bag. My cutting remnds me off the joke about the surgeon who was fied from his job.....he was fired not for losing patients but for the deep gashes he left in operating table so I might add i was rarely succesful of pulling the stunt off but mom loved me anyway. Some of you who hve recieved those Post cards might agree i would of mde a poor doctor. There was two of us who really love trading cards (I wish he would of kept his set just so i could have them now). I collected religiously from then until i graduated from high school in 1971. Then my interest just dropped off the face of the earth ( I only bought one box set for my son when he was born in 1987) until i met Dick Cummings in person in 1999 or 2000 when he got me really interested in OBC and along with him , Steve Simms, and Brett Domue who sponsored me got me back into what s fun again. I started really collecting in February of this year when i met #2OBCer & dealer Kurt Tourdot, who I bought a few 53 from. Since then along with fellow OBCer and ebay, in about 9 months i have collected the entire 1953 sets Topps, both Bowman's and the football card. Now collecting my wife's birth year and year i graduated from high school( finiacially i have to curtail my ebay spending as i can easily go over my budget.....humm maybe i could be a congressman) i am probably going at a little slower rate but it s fun none the less. Wonder if this rambling is about my card collecting or job employment i can't be good at:-) ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 10:47:47 EST Subject: Pay Pal To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com Paypal doubled their fees last year. It's still a great convenience so far as i'm concerned. - Doug ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:20:34 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My collecting saga From: "Brett W. Domue" I guess I'll chime in on this one too... Phase I - 1977-1982 - What are these things? This was a fun phase. It started with a pile of cards my mother had bought and kept hidden in a drawer (1977 Topps and a few Hostess cards). I eventually liberated them from her, and proceded to make my first blockbuster trade...6 small cards for each of those nice big 1980/1981 Topps Supers. It didn't matter who was on my card or the super, it was a straight up 6 for 1 deal. Boy did I get the good end of that one. The things you do when you're six years old :-P Through the rest of 1980-1981, I bought a number of packs from the corner stores, but wound up giving my whole collection to the kid who I made the first deal with. In 1982 I remember buying a pack of the Topps cards (I remember full well there was a Britt Burns and a Don Sutton Super Action in there) and on the way home, getting in trouble with my mom. When we got home, I ran from the card and left a trail of cards behind me into the woods. A few days later, after it had rained, I went back and picked up the cards. Talk about Tiptons!!! I had the Sutton card until around 1992 when it literally dissolved... Phase II - 1983-1987 - Hey, maybe I should keep these things... For my 8th birthday (December, 1982) I received my first ever complete box of cards. 1983 Topps. For the first time, I tried to build a complete set. After buying pack after pack of cards, I found myself 1 card shy of completing the set...Tony Pena. No matter how many packs I bought, I could not pull that card. Eventually, I found my way for the first time ever into a Baseball Card Store, Triple Play Sportscards on West Street in Danbury, CT=85or as Howard=92s son calls it=85=94that s...hole (Danbury) in Connecticut=94. I bought the Pena card to finish the set, and for the first time ever, I had completed a set of cards. While I was there, I looked at a board on the wall where there were some old cards of some of the aging stars of the day. I eventually bought my first ever "vintage" card at the shop...a 1973 Topps Steve Carlton. During this time I got more and more into collecting cards, only Topps, of course. I bought 1 box and many packs of Topps cards each year to complete my set. Every year in December, my family would go to New York City one weekend day. That day always seemed to coincide with the first packs of the new year's cards hitting the grocery stores in the city. I looked forward every year to going into every little shop I could go into until I would find one that had a few packs of the new cards, so I could see what they would look like that year. During this time I also started getting more into the "older" cards as well. My oldest card by the time this phase ended was a 1958 Topps Mickey Mantle All Star. The key collecting moment here, however, was a house fire in the winter of 1986 when I was 11. I guess my collecting addiction had really taken hold when I realized that the only item I took out with me was my album of cards (Luckily only a couple rooms were badly damaged, and I didn=92t lose everything else I had). The real key however was not the fire itself, but the 4 months my family spent following the fire living in the Ramada Inn. It just so happened that once a month a card show was held in the hotel. I would be down at the room where it was held first thing in the morning and helped the dealers unload and set up. As such, I was also the first collector in the room, and was the first to go through the bargain boxes. The best deal I got from one of these was from a quarter box, where I pulled a 1965 Topps Mantle!!! I also got my favorite pack ever, an old 1981 Donruss pack with only 3 different cards in it=85Gene Garber, Dale Murphy, and (I think) Bob Horner. All I know is there were 3 Murphys and 3 Garbers, and every card was a Brave. Phase III - 1987-1992 - The end of innocence... During this phase, Middle/High School, I had my first experiences as Dealer Scum. The first big change here was that I moved from Danbury, CT. to York, PA. I was buying packs like crazy and trading with every kid I knew. I remember once in 1987 trading all of my Razor Shines cards for Mark McGwire cards with some kids down the street who knew him. It was during this time that I started my first real "collection", and it was also during this time that my father started collecting with me. Together, we decided we were going to try to collect full runs of any player who met any of a set of criteria we had decided on. For batters, these criteria were any of: 1000 Runs Scored, 2000 Hits, 300 Doubles, 100 Triples, 200 Home Runs, 1000 Runs Batted In, or 400 Stolen Bases. For pitchers the criteria were 150 Wins or a combination of 250 Wins and Saves. I was pursuing these runs for all major card issues from 1948-present. At the peak, there were around 500 different players that we were actively pursuing all cards for. It was due to collecting these runs that I started seriously looking at the older cards as well as the newer cards. The runs were broken into two sets of albums, the Active players and the Inactive players. I remember the first Inactive run I completed was Richie Zisk. The first Hall of Famer I completed a run of was Catfish Hunter. I also bought my first pre-World War Two cards=85T206=92s of Jack Chesbro and Bob =93I thought was Buck=94 Ewing. During this time, I would buy a box of each new product that came out so I could get all the cards for my active runs. I was quickly finding myself with more dupes than I could handle, and my father and I decided to set up at some local shows on weekends. This was during the boom years, and there were usually 3 or 4 shows within an hours drive every weekend. Our usual haunts were at places such as the York Mall where Jeff Sinclair had his Dealer Scum experiences, Trolly Station Mall in Bethlehem, PA, Wyoming Valley Mall in Wilkes-Barre, PA, Pikesville (MD) Armory and any number of other small shows in PA, MD and NJ. If Jeff had his Dealer Scum experience during these years, there=92s a good chance he saw me and my father set up at the York Mall. The proceeds from the shows allowed me to keep buying the cards for my collection and allowed me to save up money for college. The best part of this experience was being able to buy as a dealer at the shows. These were small shows, never anything like Willow Grove, but people still brought stuff in. The best part for me was while everyone else wanted only the new inserts, I only bought the older cards, and I was usually the only one there who wanted them. By the time I went off to college, I had virtually stopped working on the player runs (I was probably around 90% complete) and was concentrating only on Pre-War Hall of Famers Phase IV 1992-1996 Brother can you spare me a dime?=85 I was in college, therefore I was broke, for the first four years of this period. I had decided to stop setting up at shows since I worked during the summer and weekends when I had the chance. The good part of college was I received my first taste of computers and the internet. I decided to try listing some of my cards on the Usenet starting in 1994 or so. As a matter of fact, I noticed Google has bought Deja and has made their archive of all usenet articles going back to 1981 available and was able to search and find my first ever usenet http://groups.google.com/groups?selm33u2ai%245qn%40usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu&outputgplain Some current OBC members were among the people I bought, sold and traded with over the Internet at this time. Future OBC names that I recall are Sean McGowan and Mac Wubben. Phase V Then there was OBC, and there was eBay, and all was Good (/Fair/Poor). In October, 1996, I received a reply to one of my postings from a collector named Larry Tipton who asked me to check out a web page of an online trading group. I did, and in late October, 1996, I joined OBC. If anyone is interested, here is the introduction email I wrote to the group on October 31, 1996: This message is to test out the address list and to say Hi. First of all, I'll mention that i do share this account with my sister, and thus it is her name that appears on the From: line. I'm Brett. I've been collecting cards for around 13 years now. Around 4 years ago I got sick of all the new stuff that kept coming out and started collecting old stuff. I was still attending Pitt at the time, and didn't have much cash, so I decided to collect these cards in low grades. I concentrated my efforts on Hall of Famers, specifically PreWar Hall of Famers and PostWar hall of Fame rookies and regional issues. I currently have around 450 PreWar hall of Famers and over half of the Hall of Fame rookies (including Mantle and Mays rookies). I have recently been starting to put together sets from the years that I have most of the Hall of Famers and other keys of. These sets include 1934 Goudey, 1951 Topps Blue Backs, 1953 Topps, 1955 Bowman, 1956 Topps, and 1968-1972 Topps. I've recently also been picking up any key cards I can in lower grades, in preperation for working on the rest of the sets from the modern era. Some of you from the East Coast may have seen me at some of the larger Shows in the Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Philadelphia, and New York City areas. I try to attend all of the major shows within a 3 hour radius of my home. Up until now, most of my acquisitions have been from these shows and from auctions. Unfortunately, it's been getting to a point where my wants far exceed my income, so I have been forced to try selling some of my cards in order to afford more cards for my collection. I hadn't been much into trading through the mail but with a couple trades my Usenet posts have brought on working out well, I decided to give trading a try for adding cards to my collection. I have hundreds of cards available from the 1900's through 1970's, most in VG or worse condition. Usually I try to only trade my doubles, but if There is a card on the block that I am actively looking for (especially Mantle cards), I would be willing to part with some of my singles as trade bait. If you have any superstar wants in low grade, feel free to send me a wantlist/tradebaitlist and lets make a deal. At this time, I was out of college, had started working, and was still going to shows. In January, 1997, I found eBay, and since then, nothing much has changed. I still go to shows, though I have not set up at one since 1994. I am still working on the Pre-War HOFers and Postwar HOF rookies, as well as some sets. I am still getting sniped on eBay. I am still in OBC. The only differences are that I=92m back in Connecticut (since Feb, 1999) and actually have a real job now (since the day after I returned to CT.) If anyone has actually read down this far, well, I won=92t finish this sentence as I doubt anyone did :-P ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:22:00 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" Mark's right (and Geno and others who've written) -- paypal employed that time-honored strategy of drug dealers: give away your product at first and get people hooked, then begin charging. I've also heard (though never experienced) that there are certain loopholes in paypal that can allow people to pay for something, and then the recipient gets hit with a "chargeback." Not unlike a bouncing check, I guess. Paypal supposedly has an insurance scheme to combat this, but at least one dealer (Scott Gaynor) describes it as a joke. So between the fees and the uncertainty, some dealers have stopped using it. It's still pretty useful on the buyer's side ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark S Talbot" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question > Hi Mike, > I'm not sure but I think PayPal charges you a fee to accept payments > your account reaches a certain volume. When the service began it was FREE - but > as we all eventually find out FREE isn't always so free. I'm not positive but I > think that's what the deal is. > Can anybody back me on this one? BE WELL!!! > REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK > "Live long and prosper" - Spock > ********************************* > * Mark S. Talbot * > * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * > * Sterling Heights, MI. * > * 48312-4604 * > * talbot1@home.com * > ********************************* > ***************************************************** > topgolf@aol.com wrote: > > As many of you know I am a binge Ebayer. I'll buy a great amount in one > > sitting and then not for quite a while after. > > > > I am somewhat surprised as I look through the listings of how many > > DONT take Paypal. Did I miss something along the line, is there a > > that Paypal has fallen from grace, or is it just my imagination? > > > > I like Paypal more than sending out a check for $2.00 and then having > > seller wait 10 days for it to clear, and then expect me to give him > > feedback. (It seems as the norn is that as long as you get the card you are > > expected to give positive feedback). > > > > Rest Well, > > Mike > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:27:22 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "My collecting story" saga... From: Dan Austin I think these stories of OBC members' collecting saga's are great and...they would make a great start (or update) to your bio info! The bio page has recently been updated and many of your tales are very out of date, and even more are missing. Take this opportunity, if you haven't already done so, to send in your bio info to share with the group about yourself. If you have a small picture of yourself to send, that would be great (so we can put a face to your name), but its not required. Everyone join in! OBC bios page: http://www.oldbaseball.com/bio/bio.html The page is password protected (to protect your personal info), so you must log in with the following userid/password: Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:21:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My collecting saga To: okeedokee@pipeline.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I first met Brett in March 1997 at the Chantilly, VA show where I dealer scummed him a tipton E135 Sam Rice. I don't think we talked again for a year until we were both bidding and imming each other on a super tipton Hollands Creamery Walter Johnson (I won it and still have it in my collection, would love to trade for others). Brett told me about OBC, we met up at the next FW show where I met about half dozen OBCers, gave away most of my dupes box and the rest is history. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:49:11 EST Subject: 1956 Topps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Hi guys- I haven't been actively collecting 56 Topps recently, and I am sure that there must be someone looking for the last commons to help finish a set (once you get that Mantle card :), a team set or a favorite player. I haven't decided whether to get rid of them all, but I'm happy to share some. LMK what you need and I'll see what I can do to help. I have mostly VG, inc some high ================= To: Subject: Card Saga (cont'd) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 15:26:41 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Whe I hooked up with OBC about 3 years ago, every single card in my collection was a holdover from childhood...yes, one of the lucky ones, I never agreed to have them pitched by Mom. Bless her heart. Part 1: When I took the boxes of treasures out of the basement, the oldest cards in there were '59's. I don't remember where or how I got them. I do recall the horizontals, as my next door neighbour had the Mantle and I wanted it badly. Not a chance. I think I offerred up my sister as part payment, but he wouldn't go for it. I was taking in NHL and CFL cards at the same time, and these picked up steam through the '60's...boxes and boxes of them. I remember being thrilled when we travelled all of 30 miles on vacation to a place called Bellingham, in the far off land of America...they had cards called Fleer, which we didn't get here. Well, I got some there! I financed my purchases in a couple of ways...pop bottle returns to the store were lucrative...walked a lot of lanes picking them up. At my fave corner store, I would hang around with my bicycle hoping a delivery order would come in...they paid me a quarter, knowing full well they were going to get it right back when I returned....25 cents (hey, that's right, there is no symbol for cents on the keyboard!) equalled 5 packs of woodies, 4 cards per pack and a stick of gum. I remember taking the snow shovel down to the corner store to clean off their HUGE sidewalk, and they paid 50 cents for that chore...which they also got right back. Would have been hockey cards at that time of year. They also let me clean out their pop machine of Coke bottle caps with pictures of CFL or NHL players on them...I still have bags of the damn things. Part 2: Girls, cars, jobs, school, etc. 'Nuff said. Part 3: Discovering Ebay, and selling off a bit here and there, trying to finance a trip to Disneyland. U.S. dollars were very welcome. Then, OBC entered the picture, and Canada Post now sends me a Christmas card every year thanking me for my support. What a great group this is. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helpful_Hint_of_The_Day_=28=A2=29?Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:07:16 -0500 From: "Rick Redpath" 1¢ 5¢ 10¢ 15¢ 20¢ 25¢ 30¢ 35¢ 40¢ 45¢ 50¢ Pick your price, I have extras. If you want to try this at home, hold the Alt key down, then press 0162 then release the Alt key. May not work in Canada. - Rick ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:50:35 -0500 (EST) To: rredpath@hotmail.com (Rick Redpath) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Helpful Hint of The Day (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A2?=) From: Originaleek@webtv.net To: "Ramblings" From: "Rick Redpath" Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:07:16 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Helpful Hint of The Day (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A2?=) ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 21:23:57 -0500 (EST) To: grains@dccnet.com (Grant Rainsley) Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Helpful Hint of The Day (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=A2?=) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Rick & Grant, That explains everything guys, I'm not at a computer. I'm sitting in my lounge chair across the room from my TV and typing away on my remote keyboard. My choice is, go on my wife's computer and be able to make cents signs or stay in my easy chair and not make cents. She says I won't make cents either way so may as well stay comfortable. let me see maybe if I hit alt and play with these keys up here =BE=BD=BC=A2=A2=A2=A2=A2=A2=A2 hey, I can make cents. Thanks! We keep what we give away! ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: What to do with your 1960 Topps? Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 22:03:11 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" I thought I had a good idea, but I didn't see it on the ramblings.... I suggested that Steve simply needs 2 copies of some of the cards so he can put the front one way and the back the other, if necessary. This will also give us some good targets for hits on his list :) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: What to do with your 1960 Topps? > In a message dated 1/4/02 11:05:02 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > << Has anyone come up with an answer other than "stop thinking about > I want the cards need to stay in numerical order. If I re-arrange the > cards by team and group all the combo and manager cards together, then I > won't know if the set is complete. >> > Steve (all), > If it's going to bother you that much, then put 18 cards in the pages > to back so you don't see them It'll conserve on pages too, especially > since you're collecting the color variations... you can put one of each > in one slot. > As far as the sniping thing goes... ever buy a card somewhere, only to > immediately see it elsewhere (and usually six or seven times elsewhere in > case) for less than you just paid? That's what's happening to the people > sniped you. I've found that with very few exceptions, a card will sell at > your target price eventually (provided your price is somewhat realistic). > Good things come to those who wait. You could also rationalize it another > way: if they outbid you, then they overpaid. TAYL, > Ken M > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 21:54:19 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 Bowman Autographs From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Do I recall correctly that someone in the group is putting together a 1955 Bowman set that is autographed? One of the dealers in my area has 15 autographed cards from that set. If interested, I can let you know which ones are available. Mike Wierzbicki ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 12:44:22 +0800 To: OBC Thanks , Subject: Thanks Etc From: Lynn Miller Hi All, Wow, hard keeping up with all the traffic on the group servers. You guys are sure more active (talkative :>) Can't open my email without having 40 to read it seems. First thanks of the year go to an old an new friend. Steve Rittenberg, really great to hear from a good old friend again as well here. Steve and I had a couple of very nice conversations in my hiatus. So it does me good to see him so active again. Steve hits my 66 hi list (seems all I have left is hi numbers and HOFers thanks mostly to OBC) with an SCP of Mike Cuellar. No one can ever forget that Oriole staff of the late 60's and early 70's. Thanks old buddy. And new friend Yuk Chow sends me a piece of a hammer. "Hammerin' Hank" that is, my hero. A wonderful 71 Topps Scratch-Off of him as the Team Captain. I'm working with Dan in trying to get my link to reflect what "Hammer" stuff I have so hold off on this for a bit until it's posted. Also on the outside of the envelope was commemorative of old Ebbetts Field. Now there's 3 great pieces of baseball history in one shot. Thanks a lot On the rambling side. I echo Dan's plea. While it's nice to hear about everyone's card beginnings in this forum and it's entertaining, the appropriate place is in those bio's and some of them are. But if you need to update it, then do so, ain't that hard. And a personal observation that someone else made previously and I don't remember who, but it was right on the mark. This is a pet peeve with me also and while some of you may not agree, I think it's important. The need to keep your wantlist completely up-to-date, I mean as it changes from moment to moment. Here's the way I look at it. And perhaps I am an extreme case because I don't have the access most of you have to cards. Heck I can't afford the annual trip to the convention that even Glenn has to make to get a dupes box full. So my resources are limited and there are others in the same boat. But when some of us have to go to extra lengths to get cards for our friends, then the card/s should be immediately wiped off the list so that the act is recognized and someone else doesn't unnecessarily have to duplicate the effort. Just my 2¢ work (works for me Rick, but then I'm thousands of miles from Kanada). And thanks for all the PayPal info, I was wondering why I had seen so many sellers lately stating they don't accept PayPal. But in my situation it's really a perfect vehicle in saving mailing time. So I am very thankful that it does exist. On a personal note. I was married again yesterday. Joanne is a truly wonderful woman I met while going through some hard times with my previous marriage. And a big part of the reason why I rejoined OBC. Take care, Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 00:56:15 -0500 To: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Collecting Stories, Bio's, Want List, etc.... From: Mark S Talbot Hi Lynn, You are absolutely right about supporting the web site by upgrading our bio's as well as our want list. I for one have not done the bio thing and will do that in connection with my collecting story (the want list is an obsession that gets done on a daily basis). I for one have been enjoying the renaissance of the guys as they relay their stories - they often remind me of similarities in my collecting past. I like the stories and will get to mine shortly because I know it will be a mini series so I need some time to compose it. So keep the stories coming and I echo the sentiments of Lynn and Dan that we all make an effort to update the bio's. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * Lynn Miller wrote: > Hi All, > Wow, hard keeping up with all the traffic on the group servers. You > guys are sure more active (talkative :>) Can't open my email without > having 40 to read it seems. > First thanks of the year go to an old an new friend. Steve > Rittenberg, really great to hear from a good old friend again as well > here. Steve and I had a couple of very nice conversations in my > hiatus. So it does me good to see him so active again. Steve hits my > 66 hi list (seems all I have left is hi numbers and HOFers thanks mostly > to OBC) with an SCP of Mike Cuellar. No one can ever forget that Oriole > staff of the late 60's and early 70's. Thanks old buddy. And new > friend Yuk Chow sends me a piece of a hammer. "Hammerin' Hank" that is, > my hero. A wonderful 71 Topps Scratch-Off of him as the Team Captain. > I'm working with Dan in trying to get my link to reflect what "Hammer" > stuff I have so hold off on this for a bit until it's posted. Also on > the outside of the envelope was commemorative of old Ebbetts Field. Now > there's 3 great pieces of baseball history in one shot. Thanks a lot > Yuk. > On the rambling side. I echo Dan's plea. While it's nice to hear > about everyone's card beginnings in this forum and it's entertaining, > the appropriate place is in those bio's and some of them are. But if > you need to update it, then do so, ain't that hard. > And a personal observation that someone else made previously and I > don't remember who, but it was right on the mark. This is a pet peeve > with me also and while some of you may not agree, I think it's > important. The need to keep your wantlist completely up-to-date, I mean > as it changes from moment to moment. Here's the way I look at it. And > perhaps I am an extreme case because I don't have the access most of you > have to cards. Heck I can't afford the annual trip to the convention > that even Glenn has to make to get a dupes box full. So my resources > are limited and there are others in the same boat. But when some of us > have to go to extra lengths to get cards for our friends, then the > card/s should be immediately wiped off the list so that the act is > recognized and someone else doesn't unnecessarily have to duplicate the > effort. Just my 2¢ work (works for me Rick, but then I'm thousands of > miles from Kanada). > And thanks for all the PayPal info, I was wondering why I had seen so > many sellers lately stating they don't accept PayPal. But in my > situation it's really a perfect vehicle in saving mailing time. So I am > very thankful that it does exist. > On a personal note. I was married again yesterday. Joanne is a truly > wonderful woman I met while going through some hard times with my > previous marriage. And a big part of the reason why I rejoined OBC. > Take care, Lynn > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Thanks-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 01:14:55 EST Subject: For my birthday I want.... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1057577713 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: shakespeare update Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2002 08:10:02 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, i really ought to be in bed but made the mistake of taking one last look at my mail. the poems are trickling in and i must say i'm Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 08:40:56 -0500 (EST) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Red Sox Nation grows by one member! From: Neal Thomas A bit early (okay, alot early--12 weeks early) and a bit small (okay, alot small), Kevin James Thomas makes an early stop in the world. Born at 8:03 pm on 1/4/02, Kevin weighs in at a strapping 2 pounds, 12 ounces (1235 grams for you medical types), and strecthes the tape at 14 inches long. After a bumpy 2 days for both mom and Kevin, they are both improving hourly. Big brothers Eric and Sean still don't quite get it, but are adapting ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:03:42 -0500 (EST) To: nthomas@pol.net (Neal Thomas) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red Sox Nation grows by one member! From: Originaleek@webtv.net Congratulations, hope all continues to go well for mom, baby & family. I know it's UV, but ya gotta collect the 2002 cards in honor of Kevins birth year, huh? How about an all OBC set? My contribution is on the We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 09:56:29 EST Subject: help, a bio update question To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: washalou@aol.com Hello OBC, I wonder if anyone could help me? I accidently erased the email that had instructions on how to update my bio page. Mostly I need to know what the password is. Just added the '61 set to my wantlist. Thank you, ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 1973 Topps available Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 13:57:26 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1973 Topps available: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12, 13, 19, 21, 24, 28, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 38, 39, 41, 42, 43, 44, 48, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 63, 64, 65, 70, 71, 72, 78, 87, 88, 89, 92, 93, 98, 99. Bob W..... ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 17:44:53 EST Subject: Trips does Washington again! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - I will be on the road again for the next couple of months! My schedule Monday, January 7th travel to Washington, DC Saturday, January 19th return to San Francisco Monday, January 28th travel to Las Vegas Friday, February 1st travel to Salt Lake City Monday, February 25th return to Las Vegas Tuesday, February 26th return to San Francisco I will be staying at the Marriott Residence Inn on "P" street in DC near DuPont Circle I will be staying at the Las Vegas Crown Plaza while in Las Vegas I will be staying at the Grand Summit Resort Hotel in Park City from Feb. 1 to Feb. 25 for my detail for the Winter Olympics Please contact me if you would like to get together at any of the locations! I will have my laptop and access to email. ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:53:16 EST Subject: Johnny Bucha 52 topps card- Who needed it?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi this is Linda- and definitely a case of bad memory here- i remember someone collects team sets of the Dodgers and Cardinals- and the 1952 topps # 19-Johnny Bucha was on their Cardinals want list- i just won the card on a local bid board for this person yesterday but i forgot who needs it- please help to claim it- and while we are on the subject of cards i have obtained for on line traders- i remember someone really wanted the 1959 ted williams fleer # 66-1958-Powerhouse-they wanted the card because it has 2 pics of Ted at the plate- one showing his batting stance and one showing his follow through after he hit the ball- i remember someone really wanted this Ted Williams Fleer # 66 because it shows his batting stance from a side view perspective-i bid on this card too yesterday and won it for someone- but who?? please claim it- some time ago another trader told me they were a big Rocky Bridges fan and one card they were missing was his 52 topps Dodger card # 239- i just got one of those also for 25 cents ( tell Redpath holding down thew alt key and then pressing 0162 DOESN'T work- i tried it and got no cents sign!)but with back damage from being glued in an album - but who cares for 25 cents and if you are a Bridges fan needing his 52 topps let me know to claim it!--Linda ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: 55-57 availables Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 20:52:51 -0500 From: "John Collins" I have the following available, first come first serve: 1955 Bowman: 9, 21, 128, 166, 170, 223 (beater) 1955 Topps: 1956 Topps: 50, 56, 68, 179, 279 1957 Topps: 16, 22, 42, 44, 57, 68, 84, 91, 116, 133, 153, 177 (beater), 188, 195, 202,222, Let me know whatcha need! John C. Collins ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:26:45 EST Subject: Show time To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Well, my team (Broncos) is out of playoffs and in fact didn't show up for the game today, so I decided to take in a local card show. I ask for "old stuff" and the best they could do was pull out some 87 Topps (probably the most over produced set ever). I was about to leave when I found a table with a bunch of super looking old stuff 52-66. I got talking to the dealer and found that he was from my hometown of Colorado Springs, and that we both had some mutual friends. As it turns out, I pick up some super high numbers in 63 and All Star cards from 59 including Aaron and Mays! All in all a good trip. Also I received an IM from Robert Pigeon who is thinking about coming to V2002! Hope you can make it, Robert, because, as last year, I have made special arrangements for the town to stay open all night while the OBC is in We are the OBC, and we come in peace... Rest well, ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 22:13:37 EST Subject: type card checklist To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com hey gang: got a little waylaid this past week, so i still haven't trimmed down the list to post to the website. a couple of you e-mailed me too about helping but wanted some more info. i'll get to all of this stuff soon--just been crazy around here! ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Trips Does Washington, Todd does Oklahoma City Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:20:54 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" I will be on the traveling myself the next couple of weeks. Trips goes to the Nation's Capital, Todd goes to Oklahoma's Capital. I have to go to the FAA Academy to learn how to teach others (insert your "those who can, do, those who can't, teach" joke here). I am hoping to check out the card shops in the area, and on the weekend I plan to head to Wichita for an in-person chat with Rick Svetecz and an encore viewing of the KPPh and the Callison shrine. Methinks a trip to Rock's Dugout is also in the cards (pardon the pun). Seeya on the flipside, I never met an OBCer I didn't like.... ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: venezuelan topps Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:20:11 -0500 From: "John Collins" Does anybody happen to know exactly how you tell a Venezuelan Topps card from a regular one? Does the line on the back say something to the effect of 'TCG Venezuela' similar to the OPC's, or is the only way to tell from the paper (cardboard) stock? I am trying to find this out for the 1959 cardsimparticularly. Any info. would be appreciated. John C. Collins ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] venezuelan topps Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 21:56:41 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" John: Much of the following comes from SCD's Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards. The difference between Venezuelan and U.S. Topps cards depends on the year: 1959 Print quality (usually lack of gloss on front) is the major differencebetween the two issues. Backs of some of the 1959 Venezuelan cards carry the credit line "Impreso en Venezuela por Benco C.A.". 1960 The only difference is in cardboard stock, with no gloss on the Venezuelan 1962 Virtually the entire back of each card is in Spanish. 1964 No gloss, black border on back of Venezuelan cards. 1966 Venezualan cards have no gloss and a brighter pink-orange on the backs. 1967 Venezualan card fronts are taken from Topps 1967 baseball series, but are borderless, making them somewhat smaller than 2-1/2" x 3-1/2". 1968 As usual, crudely printed on cheaper, non-gloss cardboard. The only difference is a tiny line of yello type on back which reads: "Hecho en Venezuela - C.A. Litoven". By far, the hardest year to distinguish is 1960. I have both versions of Earl Averill, and they are identical down to the copyright notice and the phrase "PRTD. IN U.S.A.". You can tell a difference when handling them, however. The cardboard stock on the Venezualan card is of noticeably lower quality. If you are interested in getting some, www.gfg.com has many for sale. Hopethis -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: John Collins To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2002 8:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] venezuelan topps Does anybody happen to know exactly how you tell a Venezuelan Topps card from a regular one? Does the line on the back say something to the effectof 'TCG Venezuela' similar to the OPC's, or is the only way to tell from the paper (cardboard) stock? I am trying to find this out for the 1959 cards Any info. would be appreciated. John C. Collins To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 05:51:32 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] venezuelan topps To: dfallen@attbi.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jcollins12@triad.rr.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 1/7/2002 12:57:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, dfallen@attbi.com writes: 1964 No gloss, black border on back of Venezuelan cards. I've had 1964 Venezuelan Topps and the whole back is black, not just the border. Dave's right on the card stock, it's noticeably lesser quality to the touch. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire results Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 06:05:22 -0800 From: "John Collins" Thanks to all of you who poured in requests for my waiver wire last night. I tried to do everything FCFS like I said. Unfortunately there was not enough to go around for everyone who responded, but hopefully I can hit some of those I missed this time later. Packages are outbound today for: Again, sorry that I couldn't get everybody on this one. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: thanks ebay ! Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:40:25 -0800 From: "John Collins" I know it is not normal protocol to rave over ebay items on our servers, but I just got one in today that I have to tell you >From Mark "The BB Card Kid" Murphy, an original 1959 Topps wax wrapper, complete with the original slab of gum! (minus the cards, however). The perfect addition to my rapidly growing '59 set. For me this is really neat. I was still some 17 years away from even being thought of back in 1959, and for some of us "younger guys" out there that collect vintage cards, we have no idea of anything relating to the scenery and actual atmosphere of buying cards back then like some of you remember. Sure, we know the designs of the cards, but that is about it. I must admit I get a bit envious at times hearing some of you descibe those candy stores and interesting little holes in the wall where you bought your packs for 5 cents apiece. The best I can do is the 7-11 and 35 cents apiece. Anyway, this wrapper gives me at least some idea what it must have been like, seeing boxes of these packs lined up together. I love the classic 50's artwork too. The 43 year old gum broke during shipping, but I was surprised to see the "slab" size rather than the normal stick size that I remember getting in Topps packs in the late 80's. The gum has browned a bit with age, but still has the original sugar on it. I won't be sampling it however, and if any of you would like to try, be my guest. It would probably taste like lead by now. Just thought I would share. If anybody is interested in seeing this wrapper, there will be a scan of it up on my ebay wantlist page sometime tomorrow. ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 18:59:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: FB Availables From: "david_skoglund_mn" I'm in the process of organizing my dupes box and I ran across a couple of football cards. Not quite sure how they got there. Anyway, I know some of you out there collect old football cards so let me know if you need them. Both are Fair/VGish cards. 1955 Bowman #22 - Johnny Carson 1969 Topps #80 - 1st Series Checklist (107 of the 132 spaces are filled in) ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 19:44:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My collecting saga From: "david_skoglund_mn" Beginnings (1973 - 1983) As far as I can recall, I got my first baseball cards in the summer of 1973 at the age of five. I remember that I got a shoebox full of cards somewhere, probably at one of the weekend flea markets that I went to with my mother. The box probably cost her all of a dollar. It was full of a couple hundred 1972 and 1973 Topps baseball cards. I have a very clear memory of sitting in the sun in the backyard looking through the cards. The cards that stick out in my mind were the "Boyhood Photo" cards and the all-time home run leaders card from the 1973 set that featured Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. I remember looking through those cards a lot over the fall and winter. I don't think that I ever bought any of the 1973 cards in packs. But, when the spring of 1974 arrived, I was hooked on baseball cards. I started buying baseball cards in packs at the neighborhood I still remember getting my first Harmon Killebrew (my favorite player) card in a pack of 1974 Topps. In my mind, that card was the cornerstone of my collection. I kept it, along with a small handful of cards, when I sold my original collection years later. Starting in 1974 every Easter for about six or seven years I would get a big stack of baseball card packs in my Easter basket. It was always a rush to open that treasure. All those Easters are fond memories, but that first big stack of wax in is still the best. Opening them all at once. Spending the rest of the day chewing gum and sorting cards. For instance, I remember the huge stack of packs that arrived at Easter in 1975. The highlights of that day were another Harmon Killebrew (thankfully I still have this one - since I don't think I got another one from packs) and a Hank Aaron card (this one's long Of course, during those years I collected, I did a lot of trading. Kids actually did that back then. It was always a joy to get the odd older card off someone. Those spare 1950s and 1960s cards that you managed to find were treasures. It didn't matter if you'd never heard of the player, or if the team wasn't around anymore (Colts, Pilots) it was an OLD BASEBALL CARD. That was the important thing. My favorite windfall was when my neighbor Tom's father came home with a big box of baseball cards he'd found that day. At the time he was helping out the neighborhood garbage man on his route a couple of days a week. The box contained 1959 through 1962 Topps baseball cards with the greatest concentration being 1960. I think Tom ended up with about 70% of the 1960 set out of that box. The hundred and some odd doubles that came out of that box he gave me. Not traded, just up and gave me. That still brings a smile to my face today to think of that You know after all those years of buying cards in packs, I don't think I ever completed a set just by buying packs. You get to a certain point where you only need a handful of cards and the odds of getting them out of that wax pack get higher and higher (read as: more money, more money). Most years I didn't come so close to having a full set. Generally, in any given year I probably had 70% - 80% of a complete set. But, the goal was still to always have a complete set. I came really close in 1980 to getting a set just out of buying packs. I must have had a bigger allowance or something that year, I don't really remember. Eventually, I got down to the point where I only needed 20 cards or so. I finally completed my set in 1982 after tracking down the remaining cards during trades. In 1981 I resorted to a new tactic, buying entire boxes of cards from candy wholesalers. This was also the year that Fleer and Donruss started making cards, so it made sense to buy things in bulk. I remember buying a whole box of Fleer cards (the first run with the error cards) and proceeding to open them in a single sitting. Junkies' paradise. In 1982 and 1983 I dispensed with the wax process entirely. I bought complete sets from dealers. At the time it seemed like a good idea. It was cheaper, they were already sorted. But really, where's the fun in completing your set in April in one fell swoop? It also really cut into my trading. Not everyone I traded cards with went this route. Endings (1983 - 1997) Eventually I just stopped collecting. I started high school and found other interests. I let my collection gather dust for a few years. When I was in college and needed the money, I sold my collection. I got what was a pretty fair price back then. At the time it seemed like a good idea. I no longer had any interest in the boxes of cardboard that I had accumulated over my ten year run in the hobby. Man, do I regret that! On a side note, I did hold back a small stack of cards when I sold my collection. They got tossed into a box not to be seen for many years to come. More on that in a bit. Rebirth (1997-2001) In the spring of 1997 I was at a bookstore that also carries sports cards. I was just sort of wandering around when I chanced by the card bargain table. It was a week or so before Easter. I remembered back to when I was younger and getting a big pile of baseball cards packs for Easter. I guess I was feeling nostalgic and I wanted to experience that feeling of having a whole stack of card packs to open. I knew it wouldn't be the same, but the boxes of cards were pretty cheap. So, I looked over the variety of boxes on the bargain table and took the plunge in the form of a box of 1987 Topps baseball cards for a mere $9. The 1987 looked like the 1962 Topps that I always loved so much. There's just something about that woodgrain Having the big again, I went looking for the few cards I had saved from my collection. I discovered them in a box of miscellaneous papers that I had buried in the closet. The stack included: * a couple of T-206 cards * 1952 and 1954 Topps Duke Snider * 1956 Topps Mickey Mantle * 1956 Topps Harmon Killebrew * 1973 and 1975 Topps Harmon Killebrew (Sadly, the 1974 was nowhere to be seen) A couple of cards I know I saved were missing. A 1956 Topps Hank Aaron and 1974 Harmon Killebrew. In the summer of 1997, I started going to some local card shows and picking up some cards. I started the 1974 and 1975 Topps sets. At the time I figured I'd just try and collect a couple of 1970s sets. That fall I found OBC on the web. I joined in November. Because I joined OBC, I was immediately forced to start collecting a whole bunch of 1959s and 1960s sets in addition to the 1970s sets. In the four years since, I've finished a number of the 70s sets, and have made lots of progress on the older sets. I've met a handful of OBC members in person, and hope to meet more in the future. This is such a great group. I'm sure that if I hadn't found OBC, my renewed interest in cards wouldn't have lasted long. The current state of the hobby is kind of sad. I haven't been active in the last year or so. I spend a lot of time chasing my two year old daughter around the house, so it doesn't leave a lot of time for cards. But, I decided to carve out more time for OBC. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:40:13 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My collecting saga To: david.skoglund@att.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com In a message dated 1/7/02 2:46:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, david.skoglund@att.net writes: > I still remember getting my first Harmon Killebrew (my favorite > player) card in a pack of 1974 Topps. In my mind, that card was the > cornerstone of my collection. I kept it, along with a small handful > of cards, when I sold my original collection years later. Sorry to interject, but your comment that Harmon Killebrew was your favorite player reminded me of my youth. While a student at Macalester College in St. Paul, MN, I was a work-study student with the athletic department. One of my responsibilities was to accompany prospective students to either Vikings or Twins games. I preferred the Twins games since you didn't have to freeze your bippy off. Sometime during 1965 or 1966, I took two prospective students to a Twins game. Killebrew played first base that game. About the sixth inning, a member of the opposite team squibbed a ground ball toward first which went through Harmon's legs (al a Bill Bucker). We were sitting behind two men who were "in their cups" so to speak. One stood up and said, "That damn Killebrew. He always screws up." And so on and so on. His buddy agreed with him. To make a long story short (hopefully), we enter the bottom of the ninth, one on, two out, and Killebrew comes up to bat. He hits that sucker so far I lost track of it in about 2 seconds. Twins win 4-3. The guy turns to his buddy and says, "See what I told you. We'd never be anywhere if it weren't for Harmon. He needs a raise." His buddy, once again, agreed. Thanks for stimulating the memory, David. Sorry, guys, for the wandering of an old mind. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:25:38 EST Subject: Why I joined OBC To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com Guys (and Linda), We all have different reasons for joining OBC. I joined because I didn't want to die. As part of my rehab following two heart attacks and heart surgery, I was asked to come up with three hobbies. The assumption was that if you came up with three (being a type-A personality) that one had the possibility of "sticking." I had collected baseball cards from the age of 7 (1952) until the age of 15 (1960 for those of you who are counting). So, after 35 years, I decided to return to card collecting as a hobby. It was about this time that I received my first e-mail from Larry Tipton (aka "Guru"). And, thank God for Larry. Larry invited me to join OBC, an invitation I first rejected and then accepted. I have always operated on the premise, first stated, I believe, by Will Rogers, that I don't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member. Over the past five years I have benefitted greatly from OBC. I must admit that I hate some aspects of OBC (for example, I wasn't too excited about our listing the ugliest baseball players, I am I not excited about anything devoted to mediocrity, and I continstantly struggle with biased and prejudiced statements). I don't like the way we treat each other sometimes. But these are "small potatoes" relative to what I have gained from OBC membership. There is a general love of one another, the game of baseball, and the hobby of card collecting. I think we would all do well to remember why we joined OBC in first place and what OBC stands for. Keeping these things in mind has helped me greatly over the past five years. After all, I'm still alive! Thanks for reading/listening. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:51:41 EST Subject: Baseball Cards: a Trivial Pursuit? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Here's a funny story that happened Saturday night... My wife Chris and I played the new Genus V edition of Trivial Pursuit with two other couples. The teams were the boys against the girls. One of the questions the girls got for a piece of pie (can't remember if it was Wild Card or Sports and Leisure) was (paraphrasing): who is pictured on a baseball card that sold for $1.1 million on ebay in 2000? Of course I knew, but wondered if my wife would. After a couple of seconds, I could see the lightbulb come on in Chris' head. She thought for a couple of more seconds and then blurted it out : "Honus Wagner!" By George she got it! Her teammates looked at her in amazement as if she were some sort of a freak. I knew better...she isn't a freak, just married to one :-) After that it was all downhill for the boys as the girls walloped us pretty good. I felt responsible...in a good sort of way. Now I'm wondering if she knows who Napolean Lajoie is... Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 17:58:38 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: check out bio's! From: Jerry Coker Well...I was just about to write my card collecting stories when I read Dan's post re: the bio's. So I logged in and low and behold, there was my bio. I forget I even did it! Anyway, I'll try to update/mod. it a litte, but bottom line, definately upload your bio if you haven't already. *And* check out all the existing bio's. Some are a real hoot :) Jerry Coker Computer Network Support Career Services Center University of Georgia ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:11:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help, a bio update question To: WashaLou@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I could use help with this... I do not have a bio at all, how do I go about adding one. I have no idea what my yahoo password is, if that is needed. I'd love to read what you guys have up there! ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:13:41 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why I joined OBC To: Jocraig@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey Lorin, We've had an old saying around here... it's called "the healing power of cardboard!"... Seems to fit quite well here! ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:45:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist To: suzguy11@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com In a message dated 1/5/2002 10:40:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, suzguy11@hotmail.com writes: > we send out our cards without giving a thought > to how we acquired them, were they gifts? were they bought? > we tuck them away in their space in the binder > and send thankful e-mails out to their finder > we share a great passion,for these cards and the men > who help us recall what our lives were back then > with every puffy,within all scp's > we swap something precious....... > it's called memories That was just beautiful!!! Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. I love baseball; it's my game." (Humphrey Bogart) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: shakespeare update Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 04:12:39 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, we really are a well rounded and talented group!! i've received a good many poems, some really good, some very good, and some just.... keep em coming, just over 48 hours to go. seven 68 keepers up for grabs. #'s 1 20 80 85 363 480 490. MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: ebay mantle Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:40:52 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1057765163 Why not pick up 3 or 4 of these while you are at it? I can afford it, can't John C. Collins ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:48:24 EST Subject: the Astronomical cost of 52 topps hi's on ebay To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- recently i pointed out an ebay seller- Simms Classic Sports had an unusually high number of 52 topps hi numbers on ebay- 40+ of these rare cards-well the auctions just closed-and i was foolish enough to believe here was an opportunity to pick up a few for my set- and i can't believe the astronomical prices these cards go for- i am always on the lookout for them because the 52 topps set has always been my favorite and i need a lot of the hi numbers for my low grade set- i am going to list some of the ebay item #'s here of these 52 hi's that just closed on ebay- you can look up the items if you want to see some of the closing prices for particular cards- i won't print them here cause i still can't get over the shock of the prices these cards go for- just one 52 topps hi common can go for more money than some entire 83003,1056584685,1056584103,1056585727,1056585949,1056587104- the Drews i have always wanted but always never 222,1056622056,1056624748--check out the prices some of these cards went for- any comments ? - e-mail me- Linda ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:05:13 EST Subject: Winner of 50 Bowman Feller contest To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i would like to announce the winner of the 50 bowman Feller contest is Mark Talbot - i think he gave the best reason for wanting the card so i sent it off to him today- here is the reason i received from him--Hello there Linda, Well the scan of your Old Feller just about brought tears to my eyes. You see I had a lovable old mutt called Old Feller and we spent many a wonderful afternoon playing fetch and catch in the vacant lot behind McCloskey Bar. Old Feller was my faithful companion who was very protective of me and my possessions. Of course my most prized possession was my baseball card collection. Now Old Feller would growl and yap anytime anyone would come as close as 5 feet from my collection, he loved them cards as mush as I did. Except Old Feller had some peculiarities when it came to those cards. Any time I 'd show Old Feller a Yankee card and he would get that big dog grin on his face and pant hard in deep approval. But, he sure went wild if I showed him a Dodger card. I mean he would snap at it and try to dig it out of my hand and if he got it he would rip it to shreds. Yea, Old Feller knew what he liked and he knew what he didn't like. Lets see Old Feller liked all Yankee cards and some others as well, he liked Dean Chance and Eddie Mathews and Ken McBride. He was especially fond of Cap Anson and would roll over on his back and wiggle around every time I showed him one of those cards. Old Feller was quite a character!!! He wanted to join a vaudeville troupe but there wasn't a big call for dog acts in those days. So he was just my faithful companion until that faithful day. It was blustery and cold that faithful day when Old Feller and I were walking down the street and I was eyeballing some of my favorite baseball cards. All of a sudden a large gust of wind came up and blew three of the cards out of my hand - they were a couple of `52 Topps #311 and #407 and a `50 Bowman of Indians pitcher Bob Feller. Old Feller chased down the errant cards and caught up with the Mick and Eddie as he ran in the street after the Bowman. He didn't even know what hit him as he laid there on the side of the road sideswiped by a `57 Chevy with a bumper sticker that read "Dem Bums" that sped down the road. The driver didn't even stop!!! I laid there clutching my faithful pal as I watched the Bowman sail off into the distance, Old Feller gave me that "got to go" look as he dropped the `52's at my feet and took his last breath. So you see that was the day Old Feller bought the ranch chasing after another "Old Feller" and to this day I have never seen that card again. That is until today. So you see Linda, in the memory of Old Feller you just have to sent this "Old Feller" baseball card my way, you just have to!!!! You believe me don't you!!!! So come on do it for Old Feller!!!! Well- that's it- any guy who owned a dog with the taste to chew up Dodger cards and smile at Yankee cards really deserves this card- and like Mark said - i just had to send him the card in the memory of Old Feller--and the poor dog gave his life to retrieve my 2 favorite baseball cards of all time- - the 52 Mantle and the 52 Mathews- i have a very poor condition Mantle but the Mathews is MY most wanted card- # 407 ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 00:13:29 EST Subject: 1956 Topps, OBC friendly dealers To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com I received about two dozen responses on the 56 Topps, so I am going to wait until I can look at them all before sending out cards. Any suggestions for OBC-friendly dealers for late-60's cards ? Probably will not spring for the 67 Seaver at this time, but maybe a 69 Mantle or some other stars. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Winner of 50 Bowman Feller contest Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:36:38 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Um...like I guess...um .. that dog may have developed blisters chasing Dodger fans away from little Markie Talbot. Bless the beasts and the children ! I'll bet my buddy Bob Feller would have no-hit the Dodgers (dem bums) a dozen times if he'd only have played in the NL... I had thought about concocting a true story to echo the yarn spun by Mark, but the similarities might have been misconstrued as a plagiaristic attempt to discredit the young Talbot boy's story and unjustly receive the postal offering from an unwitting victim of her own generosity, a Mrs. Fitak from I shall refrain from telling the long, drawn out story of how my oldest sister's genius cat and star of several Disney family movies was able to determine the fielding percentage of Johnny Blanchard after each pop foul that found it's way into his pillowy mitt in the magical summer of 1961. That Darn Cat was able to calculate Luis Arroyo's ERA by scratching nine times in a litter box and dividing by earned runs allowed. Don't ask me how...and to think that feline was named a remarkably similar Old Geller. Would you have any spoons that you'd like bent Mrs. Fitak ? But, I can clearly see that Mark's tale (tail ) is the tallest of all, and he should rightly claim the prize. Humble in defeat...not to mention in da-head ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Winner of 50 Bowman Feller contest > hi- this is Linda- i would like to announce the winner of the 50 bowman > Feller contest is Mark Talbot - i think he gave the best reason for > the card so i sent it off to him today- here is the reason i received from > him--Hello there Linda, > Well the scan of your Old Feller just about brought > tears to my eyes. You see I had a lovable old mutt > called Old Feller and we spent many a wonderful afternoon > playing fetch and catch in the vacant lot behind > McCloskey Bar. Old Feller was my faithful companion who > was very protective of me and my possessions. Of course > my most prized possession was my baseball card > collection. Now Old Feller would growl and yap anytime > anyone would come as close as 5 feet from my collection, > he loved them cards as mush as I did. Except Old Feller > had some peculiarities when it came to those cards. Any > time I 'd show Old Feller a Yankee card and he would get > that big dog grin on his face and pant hard in deep > approval. But, he sure went wild if I showed him a > Dodger card. I mean he would snap at it and try to dig > it out of my hand and if he got it he would rip it to > shreds. Yea, Old Feller knew what he liked and he knew > what he didn't like. Lets see Old Feller liked all > Yankee cards and some others as well, he liked Dean > Chance and Eddie Mathews and Ken McBride. He was > especially fond of Cap Anson and would roll over on his > back and wiggle around every time I showed him one of > those cards. Old Feller was quite a character!!! He > wanted to join a vaudeville troupe but there wasn't a big > call for dog acts in those days. So he was just my > faithful companion until that faithful day. > It was blustery and cold that faithful day when Old > Feller and I were walking down the street and I was > eyeballing some of my favorite baseball cards. All of a > sudden a large gust of wind came up and blew three of the > cards out of my hand - they were a couple of `52 Topps > #311 and #407 and a `50 Bowman of Indians pitcher Bob > Feller. Old Feller chased down the errant cards and > caught up with the Mick and Eddie as he ran in the street > after the Bowman. He didn't even know what hit him as he > laid there on the side of the road sideswiped by a `57 > Chevy with a bumper sticker that read "Dem Bums" that > sped down the road. The driver didn't even stop!!! I > laid there clutching my faithful pal as I watched the > Bowman sail off into the distance, Old Feller gave me > that "got to go" look as he dropped the `52's at my feet > and took his last breath. So you see that was the day > Old Feller bought the ranch chasing after another "Old > Feller" and to this day I have never seen that card > again. That is until today. So you see Linda, in the > memory of Old Feller you just have to sent this "Old > Feller" baseball card my way, you just have to!!!! > You believe me don't you!!!! So come on do it for > Old Feller!!!! > Well- that's it- any guy who owned a dog with the taste to chew up Dodger > cards and smile at Yankee cards really deserves this card- and like Mark > - i just had to send him the card in the memory of Old Feller--and the > dog gave his life to retrieve my 2 favorite baseball cards of all time- - > 52 Mantle and the 52 Mathews- i have a very poor condition Mantle but the > Mathews is MY most wanted card- # 407 > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:06:24 EST Subject: Availables- no need to feel left out To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, octraders@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Mark Talbot won the 1950 Bowman Feller card - but no need to feel left out- here are some availables- claim if you need them- Galasso 1979 TCMA # 52-Dizzy Dean 1950 Bowman # 83- Sheldon Jones 1951 Bowman # 121- Gerry Staley 1949 Bowman hi # 239- Frank McCormick- 1954 Bowman # 82-Billy Goodman 1952 topps # 131-Morrie Martin 1952 topps # 179- Frank Smith- (trimmed) 1952 topps # 137-Roy McMillan-(trimmed) 1952 topps # 117- Sherman Lollar-(trimmed) Red Heart Dog Food (Old Feller's Favorite-hey Old Feller -Did you ever get the Mantle?-i sure would like to have it!)--Frank Baumholtz 1960 topps # 1 - Early Wynn 1960 Leaf # 28- Jerry Adair 1961 Bell Brand Potato Chips Dodger # 9- Wally Moon 1963 Fleer-# 54- Art Mahaffey 1963 topps hi # 563- Mike McCormick 1959 Fleer Ted Williams # 15 1966 topps Hi # 586-Claude Raymond( can't you close the zipper on your pants for the picture???) 1951 Bowman # 295- Al Lopez 1960 topps hi # 557- Frank Malzone-Sport Magazine '60 All-Star Selection 1957 topps # 292- Billy Klaus- 1959 topps # 212-Fence Busters- Aaron-Mathews 1959 topps # 414- Dale Long (gotta give this card away- am tired of my husband's bad jokes about this card!) ( keep it clean here!) ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 02:46:47 EST Subject: Old Feller - go out and fetch me this Cap! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Hey Mark- we all know Old Feller is part bloodhound- send him out to track down one of these for me- and this one's sure to have Old Feller rolling over and laughing with happiness- ebay # 1058727764-come on Old Feller - you aren't going to let this one get away from us!!! ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 07:22:10 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] the Astronomical cost of 52 topps hi's on ebay To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com I think you've identified the only card "set" that has gone up in price over the past 5 years. About 5 years ago you could get a dog-earned '52 Topps high number for $55 dollars. Now, you have to spend at least $15 more per card. And, if you want anything decent you have to go at least $150. Some sort of supply-demand explanation, I would guess ;<) ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 13:07:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Money Saving Tipton Tip From: "larryobc" Here is a way you might save a few bucks for those 52 HI #s. I have been using long distance telephone service more than ever the past couple of months, and was shocked at the $150 phone bill I got. Even more shocking was the stupid long distance plan I was signed up with ATT .25c a minute peak hours. A friend of mine told me about a long distance provider and I have been happy with them so far. Rates are always 2.9c a minute if you have a local acces number, I don't so my cost is 3.9c a minute anytime. It is a bit of a hassle. 1. You have to dial a local access number, or if they don't have a local number (like me) you dial a toll free number. 2. You have to dial a PIN number (your phone number plus a 4 digit 3. Then you dial the number you want. You recharge your account using a credit card so I guess it is like a prepaid calling card. If you are away from home you can use the toll free number to call at 3.9c a minute. If you call overseas (I don't) I am told the rates are outstanding. Check it out at www.BigZoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:49:04 EST Subject: Fwd: T-206 Identification To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com From: JTMART@aol.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 12:45:47 EST Subject: T-206 Identification To: TPLY@aol.com Hello Mr. Ellison, My name is John Martick and I live in southern Connecticut. I stumbled across your Hometown AOL webpage while searching for information on The reason I am writing is I would appreciate your assistance in identifying a baseball card for me. I purchased it at a local antique store along with a half dozen others. I own a book titled "Classic Baseball Cards" by Frank Slocum. The book has pictures of thousands of old baseball cards including the T-206 series. According to the book there were 524 cards in the set, but only has pictures of 494. The card in question here is the only one of the 8 I own which I cannot find in this book. All I really want to know is who the player is and who he played for. Here is a scanned photo of that card. [Unable to display image] I hope you choose to help me ID this player. It is difficult to find people of your expertise. Thank you for your time, John Martick email : JTMART@aol.com ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] the Astronomical cost of 52 topps hi's on ebay Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 11:21:57 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Sometimes if you look hard enough you can find 52 high numbers for under 5 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1056514472 The trick is to search using the name instead of the number. Or in my case the word "trimmed". Since the seller didn't put the card number in the listing hardly anybody found it. Good luck with your quest. >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] the Astronomical cost of 52 topps hi's on ebay >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:48:24 EST >hi- this is Linda- recently i pointed out an ebay seller- Simms Classic >Sports had an unusually high number of 52 topps hi numbers on ebay- 40+ of >these rare cards-well the auctions just closed-and i was foolish enough to >believe here was an opportunity to pick up a few for my set- and i can't >believe the astronomical prices these cards go for- i am always on the >lookout for them because the 52 topps set has always been my favorite and i >need a lot of the hi numbers for my low grade set- i am going to list some >the ebay item #'s here of these 52 hi's that just closed on ebay- you can >look up the items if you want to see some of the closing prices for >particular cards- i won't print them here cause i still can't get over the >shock of the prices these cards go for- just one 52 topps hi common can go >for more money than some entire >83003,1056584685,1056584103,1056585727,1056585949,1056587104- the Drews i >have always wanted but always never >222,1056622056,1056624748--check out the prices some of these cards went >any comments ? - e-mail me- Linda Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 11:29:39 EST Subject: Shipments away To: vct@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@onelist.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com The mail room tells me that I mailed out about 120 pounds of cards yesterday in 24 packages!!! I hope some of you who get these boxes don't think the cards aren't worth what the postage cost !!! I will announce Round 2 of my special 2002 Inventory Clearance in about a week after these packages make their way to their new homes and the "lucky" recipients determine if they want another shipment of what is left. I can't say that I did a great job of satisfying everyone's request or dividing the cards up fairly. CD says I wasted too much time on the project as it was. So, please forgive if you didn't get anything, if you didn't get as much as you hoped for, or you got more than you bargained for. There is always Round 2 !!! Take care, ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sporting News Request Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 14:19:48 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Does anybody have an extra copy of the Dec 24(?), 2001 issue of the Sporting News? I just found out that Univ of Miami Defensive Back Ed Reed was on the cover. My dad's name is also Ed Reed and I'd like to get a copy for him. Bob R. Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 21:28:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Does anyone know Joe Vandello. Is he a new potential OBCer Has anyone traded with him. He seems really gun ho about trading as i am about to give out my availables dups list that I can't match up with you guys. Any info greatly appreciated. Reason for asking is more curious how my name came up to him as most of you intiated contact with me but i dont seem him on obc directory. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: pricing help Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:50:58 -0500 From: "John Collins" Can anybody with one of the big SCD's look up the values on a 1959 Venezuelan Topps Mantle #10 for me (if those are even listed?) John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 04:14:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Cliff Mapes reference From: "rayluurs" i remember this week someone wrotesomething about Cliff Mapes and the fact he had two of his number retired by the New York Yankees (of course the numbers were #3 for Ruth and later #7 for Mantle) but did you know he is the only man in baseball history to have a third number retired. When he played his last year in Detroit he wore #5 which was later retired for Charlie Gehringer. So in sports trivia if the question ever read the only man to have three number retired. the answer will be Cliff Mapes. ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:22:49 EST Subject: Distributinon of availables- the results are in To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i believe the best way to maximize satisfaction pertaining to the distribution of my availables is the equitable distribution of them among as many requestors as possible- now for those who don't understand what that statement means including me i like to give out availables to as many traders as possible instead of giving out 5 or 6 cards to 2 people and the other 10 people asking for cards getting nothing-a problem arises when a trader only requests one card 3 others have also- i try to deal with that the best i can- so i have cards going out to these requestors tomorrow- Roth (OCT) Talbot (have to send him that Wally Moon Bell Brand so Old Feller has something good to chew on!) ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 23:39:08 -0500 (EST) To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] pricing help From: Neal Thomas The 2000 SCD has that card at $2,000-800-500 for NM-EX-VG ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "John Collins" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] pricing help Date: 01/08/2002 09:50pm Can anybody with one of the big SCD's look up the values on a 1959 Venezuelan Topps Mantle #10 for me (if those are even listed?) John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 00:30:57 EST Subject: Ryan Rookie card to be given away To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- the Feller 1950 Bowman give away is over-(talbots tales of canine woe is the winner) now for those contemplating starting a 68 set or those who have started the set and want to put to rest in the binder that troublesome expensive Ryan rookie card here's your chance- tell me WHY you would want to own Ryan's 68 topps rookie card- best reason given wins it-- ( and the card is not EX-Mint so if the rest of your set is-this card definitely won't fit in) Linda ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 11:59:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Cliff Mapes again From: "rayluurs" Well i was two thirds right He had three numbers retired and in Detroit it was #5 but it was Hank Greenberg's number Not Gehringer But still a fun trivia question i put togeher a long time ago on aol. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: 16 hours Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 12:59:35 From: "jeff sinclair" to go in the 68 poetry contest. at the stroke of midnight the poem home will close and all entries will be reviewed thursday a.m pre school and work by the family sinclair. in other news all promised packages hitting the post office today. finally took a day off to catch up on a lot of catching up. do you remember the feel of the candy store steps? Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ryan Rookie card to be given away Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 05:29:15 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Linda -- OK, I'll have to tell you a story about the Ryan RC I almost had... My cousin and I were coming home in my Jeep Wrangler from an estate auction in downstate Illinois where we happened to pick up a box of baseball cards. As we were going through the box, he let out a big yell. I figured it had to be good, and sure enough it was the Ryan RC! We were obviously elated at our good fortune and kept looking over the card as if it weren't true since it only cost us $10. Unfortunately, our luck did not prevail. Apparently a farmer's fence had blown down in the afternoon storm that had passed through and his livestock got out. Sure enough, I looked up from the Ryan for a cursory look at the road and I saw a pig bigger than life right in front of the Jeep! I slammed on the brakes, but to no avail - we smashed right into the side of the pig. Now, luckily, we were in a sturdy Jeep as the blow was tremendous. There were cards everywhere and a prone pig in front of us. We got out of the car to check out the pig - sure enough he was still hanging on for dear life. Now we weren't sure what to do, since we couldn't carry him. We looked all around and didn't see a farm house or anything or anybody. We eventually decided we had to just leave him there and hope the farmer happened upon him later. We got back in the dented Jeep and drove off, again without a soul around. As we picked up the cards that had flown everywhere, disaster fell upon us. Since the top was down on the car, the Ryan had evidently flown out when we hit the brakes and grabbed on for dear life! We were distraught - it was so windy that there was not a chance for recovering it. The real kicker comes the next day - I get a call from the farmer. He tells me that my cousin and I owe him $2000 for the cost of the pig. My insurance company won't pay for livestock, so not only am I out a Ryan RC, but two grand as well. That is my sad story of how I almost had the card. Now you may ask yourself (as I did), how the farmer knew it was us. While, later on we found out that on his deathbed, the pig had squealed... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ryan Rookie card to be given away > hi- this is Linda- the Feller 1950 Bowman give away is over-(talbots tales > canine woe is the winner) now for those contemplating starting a 68 set or > those who have started the set and want to put to rest in the binder > troublesome expensive Ryan rookie card here's your chance- tell me WHY you > would want to own Ryan's 68 topps rookie card- best reason given wins it-- > and the card is not EX-Mint so if the rest of your set is-this card > definitely won't fit in) Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 17:51:54 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ryan Rookie card to be given away To: illini90@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com Perhaps that explains my surprise when I found a Ryan Rookie in my ham Rest well, ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 23:09:26 -0500 To: vct@yahoogroups.com,octraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Useful eBay page! From: Dan Austin For those of you who use eBay, here is a great link: http://cgi2.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?LeaveFeedbackShow This page will allow you to check all transactions that you have not left feedback for in the last 90 days. Its a great way to make sure you leave feedback, and (if you always leave feedback) a great way to make sure all your items have arrived -- since any items that show up on the list are still pending. Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:28:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Test #2 From: "McBrick34" Testing the new address again... ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:14:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another test From: "McBrick34" ================= Subject: The Impossible Dream: 1969 Topps Team Posters Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:20:39 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden Not sure if anyone else has gone on this fool's errand, but I'm creeping ever closer to my goal of finishing off the 69 Team Poster set, with only these 5 to go: 1 Tigers, 3 Red Sox, 8 Phillies, 9 Pilots, 20 Reds The better news is that I now have an extra of the Miracle Mets poster, which I would like to trade for one of the above. Stated preference is for the Pilots poster, since the Mets and Pilots are both in the "highly sought after" category for that set. If anyone has one of the other ones, though, I'm listening! P.S. Yup, it's a long shot, but stranger things have happened ... OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Steve and Ken's excellent adventure Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:31:45 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Grab a soda and a bowl of popcorn -- this could be a marathon posting. Steve & Ken's Excellent Adventure (SKEA) started last Friday when Ken sent his innocuous little msg to the server "BTW, I also have one extra ticket to the game if anyone's interested and happens to be close by". I wrote Ken and told him that if he didn't mind diverting with a side trip to Maryland that I'd love to go. He phoned me and we hammered out the details. Kenwould be here at 4 am (no typo - 0400). So now I had about 12 hours to pack, clean the house and get ready to go. After not having a laptop on prior roadtrips, I went over to CompUSA and upgraded my pc card modem so the laptop would be ready for this trip. Though I didn't post any trip logs, it was invaluable. Don't know what I wouldhave done without it. After installing the modem (around 11pm), I figure that if I actually sleptthat night, I'd have a hard time getting up at 4. So I better just stay up all night. Ken won't believe this but I did actually spend a few hourscleaning up and doing laundry. Ken arrived at 4:06. At 4:30 we were on our way. Though Ken had already driven 450 miles to my house, he did the driving the rest of the way too. In fact, I didn't even get out of the General Lee, as Ken's car is affectionately known since the doors dont work and you have to climb out the window!People at gas stations enjoyed watching a fat middle aged man (me!) climb in and out of windows like Bo and Luke Duke. I suppose I look more likeUncle Jessie, but I digress. We arrived in North Carolina about 10:30 am. Ken phoned his brother but got no answer. As we drove down I-77 to the Motel 6 I'd be staying at, we spotted another one, much closer to Ken's brother (where Ken stayed). I later found out (from Ken's brother and a friend) that this was in a terrible area and I shouldn't leave the Motel at night. But I had no problems with Ken dropped me off and went over to his brothers house. I got online and read mail, chatted and checked ebay. I asked at the desk about places I could go to for dinner. My only option was Papa John's pizza. Later I learned that Ken loves Papa John's pizza more than life itself so we had pizza from there 4 or 5 more times during the trip. Sunday morning it was cold and rainy. And I was going to a football game.Blecch. If it had been cancelled, I wouldn't have been too upset at the time. But in the end, I am happy I went. Ken showed up at the motel as I was chatting online with Bob Schaub. I jumped off line, washed up andpacked all the clothing I had into a bag so I'd have a dry change of clothing in case I got soaked at the game. We made it over to Ericcson stadium in plenty of time. You could tell there was a football game going on by all the N.E. Patriots fans tailgating inthe parking lots. There may have been some Panther fans at the game but they were disguised as empty seats. We estimated that there were 5 to 10 thousand people there. After receiving oxygen following the walk up the ramps to our seats in the nosebleed section, I settled in. Luckily, it hadstopped raining. The stadium crew shoveled out much of the snow that hadfallen in Charlotte that week but our feet were in slush. "We" needs a bit of explaining here. We had two Panther fans and three Patriots fans though there were only FOUR of us. This trick in arithmetic was accomplished by Ken's brother Andy who simultaneously rooted for both teams -- one his old home town team and the other his new home town team. So on each play, Andy would yell "ya! great play" and then he'd curse in disgust. The rest of us couldn't stop laughing. We had a great time at the game, even though we froze. The Patriots won 38-6 even though the Panthers were the better offensive team. The Patriots returned two INTs for touchdowns and ran back a kick for another. At halftime, I took my spare change of dry clothes and put them on on top of the clothes I came with. So in the second half I wore 2 t shirts, 2 sweatshirts, a heavy sweater and two pairs of socks. My feet still froze. After the game we took Andy home and went out for beer and wings and watched the end of the 4 o'clock games. Ken graciously offered to pick up the fourth guy in the group, Corey, since his car is a POS but he was surprised to learn that Corey now lived 2 hours away. So we didn't get home until after midnight Sunday. On Monday, Ken picked me up and we went over to a small mall where he thought there could be a card store. We went in before lunch and I asked "do you have any older, beat up cards" and was told that they don't have any more. So we ate lunch in the food court, a bit disappointed. We went back to the store after lunch and looked through some UV star boxes. We each found a couple and I found a small pile of non-sports (Lost in Space and Arm &Hammer bird series). I expected the guy to say the price would be far higher than I thought, but it wasn't. Just $20 for the 20 cards I had. We decided to ask if some of the cards we needed could be found in some of thehundreds of monster boxes laying in piles all over the shop. And we actually had more luck than we expected. We'd ask for a box of old stuff and dig through it, show it to the guy behind the counter and the price was less than we expected so we kept digging. The highlight was a 62T Reniff variation that Ken paid about 50 cents for. I was going to dig into footballboxes to find stuff for OBC but Ken said we should check in his boxes first. So we went home and got a Papa John's pizza and I started emptying outKen's dupes box. I estimate I pulled 100+ cards for Hatch, Griffin, Talbot, Reed, Sweeney, Perry, Crotte and Griffin. If you collect FB and your name isn't on this list, let me know. Monday AM we woke up and headed up to Winston-Salem NC to meet John Griffinand check out a card store near him. I rave (ad nauseum?) about a dealerI found at the National who had nothing but $1/$3/$5 boxes at his table. His store had even more. In fact it was covered with them! As we started looking through them, Ken skimming, me card by card by card, John Collinswalked in. We handed John a fat stack of cards we pulled for him and visited for a while. We hoped to see John that evening after work but he had prior plans. Our plans had been to go to the show that day and then driveback to MD that night (or early the next morning). But after I had spentSIX (!!) hours looking through the boxes, Ken made an executive decision -- "I guess we'll have to come back tomorrow". I was happy but wasn't sure if I should feel guilty for extending Ken like that. I was offered the opportunity to set my cards aside and decide which I wanted the next day but "I wanted to play with them tonight" so I took about 1/3 of them (400 cards). Also got some great stuff from the " $5 box" including some tobacco non-sport I hadn't seen before and 2 Japanese cards from the 50s. While Kenslept that evening, I played with my cards and got ready for the next day.I don't have a portable printer anymore so if I wanted someone's list with me, I had to write it down on the back of my own list. That worked forshort lists but I need a better long-term solution. Sometimes my PDA works for carrying other members lists but its hard to look at several lists simultaneously. Wednesday arrived and we showed up back at the card shop to finish up. While I looked at what I pulled the night before, Ken looked for UV infected stuff from the $1 boxes and binders also on the table. We also asked to look in some of the hundreds of monster boxes that ringed the wall of the store. They weren't in any order so we'd choose a year (say 1968 Topps) and then look through the box. We had pretty good luck with some of the newersets. In fact, Ken said he was "on fiyah". I finished my 1997, 1998 and 2000 Topps sets and found the last card for Bob Reed's Topps run. Therewas a binder with reprints from Topps Archives sitting there, so I bought that too as well as a box of Topps 1985 3-D. We left Winston-Salem about 2:30 pm and got back to my house at 7:30. Ournext stop -- downtown DC to see Rick Ellison. After refueling (with PapaJohn's pizza), we pulled some cards for Rick and went to see him at his DChotel. We found a parking spot on the street and Ken started feeding themeter until I pointed out that it was 10:30 at night and there was no need. I guess in Boston there are "all night meters" so without an "off" indicator, Ken figured we'd get a ticket. We sat around a pub making fun of Rick though after a while I thought we were kissing up compared to the abuse Rick took from a co-worker who joined us. Seems that the entire D.C. Customs Office was at the bar that night asRick kept seeing people he knew. After some beer, we went back to Rick'sroom and started swapping stories. Rick commented on how at one time he was neck-and-neck with Ken in the "OBCers met" competition but Ken has pulled ahead. I'm in the competition too. In fact, Ken sabotaged a potential meeting with OBCer Bob Neill on our way back from Winston-Salem. Ken has met Bob so if he prevented me from meeting Bob, he'd maintain his lead. Turns out that I was asleep as we drove past Bob's exit and Ken figured Bob was asleep too. It was 3 pm and I wouldn't have minded being woken up so you know Ken is a cut throat competitor. We got back to my house around 2:30 am and watching the Superfriends until we decided it was pretty stupid to be up so late. This morning I got up and looked at the wreck my house has become and figured I could put off cleaning by writing my show report. So now you are up to date. A separate message will go to the "thanks" list acknowledging the several OBC packages that were waiting for me when I returned. And I'll be thanking Ken for a LONG time for an awesome adventure. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:44:33 +0800 Subject: Goings on From: " john harrell" I've been fairly inactive in the group for the past couple of months as end of semester was upon me, followed by several trips to Memphis to help my parents who are moving to an assisted living apartment after 43 years in the same house. My brother was there with me last week as we attempted to sort through 43 years of stuff. Unfortunately no old shoe boxes crammed with 52 Topps appeared in the debris, although almost everything else did. I'm going back this weekend to bring back a few pieces of furniture to store for my daughters (the granddaughters as they are better known). If any of you have gone through this before, you know what I'm talking about. Anyway, after this week I should be able to get back to the group a little more, which brings me to this: Is anyone in the group working on 38 Goudeys? P.S. Forgot to mention, my parents just celebrated their 67th anniversary. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Cards: a Trivial Pursuit? Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:43:35 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" But did she know that its trimmed? OBC has been spreading this rumor since the Wagner card was seen at the Anaheim National in an effort to drive the price down to a more reasonable $250,000. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 5:51 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball Cards: a Trivial Pursuit? Here's a funny story that happened Saturday night... My wife Chris and I played the new Genus V edition of Trivial Pursuit with two other couples. The teams were the boys against the girls. One of the questions the girls got for a piece of pie (can't remember if it was Wild Card or Sports and Leisure) was (paraphrasing): who is pictured on a baseball card that sold for $1.1 million on ebay in 2000? Of course I knew, but wondered if my wife would. After a couple of seconds, I could see the lightbulb come on in Chris' head. She thought for a couple of more seconds and then blurted it out : "Honus Wagner!" By George she got it! Her teammates looked at her in amazement as if she were some sort of a freak. I knew better...she isn't a freak, just married to one :-) After that it was all downhill for the boys as the girls walloped us pretty good. I felt responsible...in a good sort of way. Now I'm wondering if she knows who Napolean Lajoie is... Happy Collecting! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: obc type Clemente rookie on ebay Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:08:24 -0800 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1061027820 If you need a '55 Clemente, you may want to keep your eye on this one. I believe it is of the obc variety. I could be wrong, but with the staining on the front, this should keep away most investor types. I need this card myself, but doubt that I will be able to afford even this example this go-round, so I thought I would mention it to the group. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:27:29 EST Subject: and the winner of the Ryan rookie card is.... To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- the winner of the Ryan rookie card is John Collins- the reason is i got an e-mail from President Bush telling me that Nolan Ryan thought his career would be complete if John Collins could have one of his rookie cards- i sure can't disregard a Presidential Request!!-- here is the e-mail i received---Subj: Dear Mrs. Fitak Date: 1/9/02 9:45:37 AM EST From: jcollins12@triad.rr.com (John Collins) To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Hello Linda, This is President George Bush. As you know I used to own the Texas Rangers when Nolan Ryan was our best pitcher. I used to sit in the dugout with Nolan, and it was pure magic. Thinking that he was going to go out there and throw another no-hitter. Before his 7th and final no-hitter, Nolan told me that the one thing in the world that would make his career complete, would be if John Collins could have one of his rookie baseball cards. He said that he knew John was his biggest fan, and that would really be the icing on the cake of his career if John could have a 1968 Topps Ryan. Then Nolan went out and pitched a no-hitter. It was like nothing you have ever seen. I would be greatly indebted to you if you could make this happen for John. Thank you, and God Bless America, George W. Bush ================= To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] and the winner of the Ryan rookie card is.... Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:11:18 -0800 From: "John Collins" Yes !! Yes !! Yes !! A Ryan rookie, wow. Linda you can rest assured that this will remain in my collection forever and will have a great story and memory to go with it. For the rest of you, Linda failed to mention that she also got letters from Tom Seaver, Gil Hodges, Jerry Koosman, Babe Ruth, Mickey Mantle, J.R. Richard, Al Schadt(Clown Prince of Baseball), Bill Denhey (the other guy on Tom Seaver's rookie card), as well as Bush, Colin Powell, Bud Selig, Dale Petrosky (Pres. of the Hall of Fame), Nolan Ryan himself, Nolan Ryan's cat, and last but not least, Santa Claus. Oh, of course all of these letters urged Linda to do the same thing: send that Nolan Ryan card to John Collins !! Thank you to all of my friends in high places :) And of course Linda, I can't thank you enough for such a wonderful giveaway >--- Original Message --- >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Date: 1/10/02 9:27:29 AM >hi- this is Linda- the winner of the Ryan rookie card is John Collins- the >reason is i got an e-mail from President Bush telling me that Nolan Ryan  >thought his career would be complete if John Collins could have one of his >rookie cards- i sure can't disregard a Presidential Request!!-- here is the >e-mail i received---Subj:    Dear Mrs. Fitak >Date:   1/9/02 9:45:37 AM EST >From:   jcollins12@triad.rr.com (John Collins) >To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >Hello Linda, >This is President George Bush. >As you know I used to own the Texas Rangers when Nolan Ryan >our best pitcher.  I used to sit in the dugout with Nolan, and >it was pure magic.  Thinking that he was going to go out there >and throw another no-hitter.   Before his 7th and final no-hitter, >Nolan told me that the one thing in the world that would make >his career complete, would be if John Collins could have one >of his rookie baseball cards.  He said that he knew John was >his biggest fan, and that would really be the icing on the cake >of his career if John could have a 1968 Topps Ryan.   Then Nolan >went out and pitched a no-hitter.  It was like nothing you have >ever seen.  I would be greatly indebted to you if you could >this happen for John. >Thank you, and God Bless America, >George W. Bush > >
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> > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Gee - I figured it was worth just a buck Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:28 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" What do you think about this great looking 34 Gehrig on ebay? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1057745988 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: 8-pocket pages Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:16:08 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Could anyone out there spare 5 or 6 8-pocket sheets? They are absolutely impossible to come by over here, and since I only need a few I don't want to have to splash out hard cash and postage on a whole box of the things. Any assistance would be much appreciated! Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ps Linda, I tend to open most of my messages with "Guys". Hope you don't mind too much. I consider you to be one of guys too! ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:06:07 EST Subject: Rhode Island Show 1/26/02 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM Hello all, The biggest show in RI is in a couple of weeks and I would like to invite everybody to come up or down. The show runs from 8:30 am - 4:00 pm. There are 120 tables with vintage to be found. Last year I did very well in the bargain boxes. The admission is only $2.00. I don't have a web site to give a link for info but here's where it is at: 26th Annual Cranston Sports Collectors Show Blossom St. West Valley Inn West Warwick, RI If anybody is interested I can give you directions or we could just meet at the RI Mall which is only minutes away. If there's any interest I could host a swap session at stately Pigeon manor. Thanks and LMK. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:28:52 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: CoolPix 1/10 From: Rick & Deb Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Mickey Mantle montage THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.gif You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:36:42 -0600 To: 0ramblings Subject: [Fwd: CoolPix 1/10] From: Rick & Deb OOoops...It's a .jpg...not a .gif (..thanks Rick) -------- Original Message -------- Subject: CoolPix 1/10 Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 17:28:52 -0600 From: Rick & Deb Reply-To: debrick@onemain.com Organization: http://home.fn.net/~debrick/favorite.htm To: 0ramblings Fellow Baseball Enthusiasts (OBC Brethren)... Baseball is cool. Baseball pictures are cool. Action photos..player portraits..paintings..drawings....they're cool. Below is a link to a cool baseball picture. Let the picture load (you may have to hit reload) and if you think it's cool...enjoy it...see if you know who it is..."relate" to it. Let it remind you of just how cool baseball really is. If you like, save it to a disc..or your own "Cool Baseball Pictures" folder. (..you'll have to name it yourself) I'll share a different cool baseball picture (.jpg) with ramblings subscribers on a semi-regular basis. (I promise they won't ALL be Phillies) LAST CoolPix: Mickey Mantle montage THE LINK --> http://home.fn.net/~debrick/images/111cool.jpg You don't have to if you don't want to....but you can. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...Baseball Fan/American ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:15:20 +0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gee - I figured it was worth just a buck From: " john harrell" I think somebody just bought themselves a real nice Gehrig reprint for $51. -----Original Message----- From: "Steve Rittenberg" Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:28 -0500 To: "Ramblings" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gee - I figured it was worth just a buck > What do you think about this great looking 34 Gehrig on ebay? > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1057745988 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fw: Question for an ebay seller Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:30:59 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Thought the group might be interested in this exchange between me and an ebay seller (dealer). The card is a low grade 1958 Burdette - which we have now learned is "rare." George Vrechek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Conti" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1059052679 > Hi. Card is described as "rare" because it is from the scarcer low number > series (1-110). The name misspelling isn't what makes the card rare. > Thanks! > --Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: vrechek@worldnet.att.net > To: dconti@netzero.net > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:07 AM > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1059052679 > >Why is this card "rare" if all cards have the same spelling? Maybe it's > rare because of the condition? Can't find one in quite that shape? > >-------------------- > > > > > >Question from: vrechek > >Title of item: 1958 Topps LEW BURDETTE ERROR rare #10 BRAVES > >Seller: dconti23 > >Starts: Jan-05-02 16:23:05 PST > >Ends: Jan-15-02 16:23:05 PST > >Price: Starts at $0.75 > >To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1059052679 > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?r=platinum&refcd=PT97 ================= To: "Ramblings" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Question for an ebay seller Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:36:58 -0500 From: "John Collins" Boy, sure is hard to find those low number '58's....... ----- Original Message ----- From: George Vrechek To: Ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 8:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Question for an ebay seller Thought the group might be interested in this exchange between me and an ebay seller (dealer). The card is a low grade 1958 Burdette - which we have now learned is "rare." George Vrechek ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Conti" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #1059052679 > Hi. Card is described as "rare" because it is from the scarcer low number > series (1-110). The name misspelling isn't what makes the card rare. > Thanks! > --Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: vrechek@worldnet.att.net > To: dconti@netzero.net > Date: Thursday, January 10, 2002 12:07 AM > Subject: Question for seller -- Item #1059052679 > >Why is this card "rare" if all cards have the same spelling? Maybe it's > rare because of the condition? Can't find one in quite that shape? > >-------------------- > > > > > >Question from: vrechek > >Title of item: 1958 Topps LEW BURDETTE ERROR rare #10 BRAVES > >Seller: dconti23 > >Starts: Jan-05-02 16:23:05 PST > >Ends: Jan-15-02 16:23:05 PST > >Price: Starts at $0.75 > >To view the item, go to: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1059052679 > > > > > > > > Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Sign Up for NetZero Platinum Today > Only $9.95 per month! > http://my.netzero.net/s/signup?rplatinum&refcdPT97 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:21:52 EST Subject: Printer cartridge available To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM I have a brand new Lexmark 12A1980 cartridge to anybody who wants it. My wife bought me a new printer for Christmas and don't need it. I can't bring it back to the store because I no longer have the blister pack it came in. First request wins. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc type Clemente rookie on ebay Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:32:09 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" I'm tempted because I need one also. But there are three OBC'ers bidding on it already, so I guess I'll pass this time around. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Collins" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 10:08 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc type Clemente rookie on ebay > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1061027820 > If you need a '55 Clemente, you may want to keep your eye on > this one. I believe it is of the obc variety. I could be wrong, > but with the staining on the front, this should keep away most > investor types. > I need this card myself, but doubt that I will be able to afford > even this example this go-round, so I thought I would mention > it to the group. > --John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:17:07 EST Subject: Hi # card of Wes Covington To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- a while back a trader sent me an e-mail he was looking for hi # cards of Wes Covington- the only card this could mean to me is the 59 topps Sporting News '59 All Star Selection card # 565-What other hi number cards are there of Covington??i just got a nice Ex condition (no creases) example of the 59 # 565 hi number-this card is a well centered beauty!- will the person who was looking for the Covington hi # cards e-mail me and claim it- Linda ================= To: Subject: A Friendly Reminder Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:45:28 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- The guys in the OBCAC would like to remind everyone that OBC is mainly intended for traders of pre-1981 cards. There is nothing wrong with trading post-1980 cards and we have a server devoted strictly to UV cards. Please keep post-1980 thanks and rambles on the UV servers where they belong. We are not trying to single out anyone, but just offering this as a reminder. Icounted seven posts today that violated this rule, which is a bit out of control. Thanks for listening...now back to your regularly scheduled rambles... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 00:07:22 EST Subject: unsold lots To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- check out this lot on ebay-# 1059215407-just closed today (Thursday) -with NO bids- this is what i like to see - maybe if enough of these lots go unsold the prices of this stuff is going to go down which would make a poor collector with limited funds like me happy- economic woes= card collector bargains- Linda ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode Island Show 1/26/02 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 01:55:20 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I'd like to encourage everyone from New England and NY to come, at least for the swap session. I'm might try to make the trip up from Maryland and would happily give anyone a ride if needed. I have found that swap sessions are the best way to make OBC a more personal (and less virtual) experience. ----- Original Message ----- From: RWP521@AOL.COM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rhode Island Show 1/26/02 Hello all, The biggest show in RI is in a couple of weeks and I would like to inviteeverybody to come up or down. The show runs from 8:30 am - 4:00 pm. There are 120 tables with vintage to be found. Last year I did very well in the bargain boxes. The admission is only $2.00. I don't have a web site to give a link for info but here's where it is at: 26th Annual Cranston Sports Collectors Show Blossom St. West Valley Inn West Warwick, RI If anybody is interested I can give you directions or we could just meet at the RI Mall which is only minutes away. If there's any interest I could host a swap session at stately Pigeon manor. Thanks and LMK. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tipton Mint Clarification/Availables? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:52:46 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Lady & Fellas, I apologize in advance if this gets a little gross, but we are all adults, so here goes: The Tipton Mint is very descriptive with regards to card appearance, but what about odor? This may sound weird, but when I receive old cards, there's something about the smell of the old cardboard I like, as well as the card itself. This is usually present in Pre-50's cards, but occasionally some of the Topps issues will carry that "vintage card odor" as well. It's not something I want to bottle up and spray in my car, but another neat part of collecting. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because I have a quandry. I bought a bunch of 49 Bowman hi #'s a while back, & when I received them, some had a familiar odor to them, but not one I wanted to remember. It was that "high school locker room" smell I thought I had forever escaped. Guru even has a section of his grading guide that allows for cards that have been "dunked in the toilet", but I believe that relates to the appearance rather than to any, as Charles Barkley once said in a Right Guard commercial, "odoriferous eminations." These 4 cards certainly spent some time - if not the last 52 years - near a men's toilet, and bottom line: my sensitive sniffer cant deal with them. So, here is my quandry: we are not the pickiest group on earth when it comes to cardboard, but should I offer something I cant stand and have had sealed in a plastic bag for 2 mths to the group? I thought about reselling them, but didnt want anyone else to share in my disappointment w/o warning. I also didnt want to type an ad on ebay reading "4 49 BOWMAN HI #'S - SLIGHT ODOR PROB - LO MINIMUM BID!" So, to make a long story short if you actually read this far, I have made a disclaimer, and if anyone actually wants to take their chances on 49 Bowman #'s 186, 197, 204, &/or 234, let me know. If anyone thinks I shouldnt be offering these to the group, feel free to let me know that too. Thanks, Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: Subject: James Moleta's Stinky Dilemma Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:51:04 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" The question was, do you just offer up the stinky old cards to the group? Heck, NO! If you saw a small fire starting in your house, would you give your house away? Heck NO! If your little one did a ca-ca in the diapers, would you put the tyke up for adoption? Heck NO...well...maybe. I figure you have to try a little CPR before leaping to a rash conclusion. The bent cardboard syndrome that I recently endured took a little effort to overcome, but it worked. Take the mister that Mumsy uses when she is ironing, cover the card with mist very lightly, wrap it in smooth linen (not textured, it leaves marks...I tried that first), hold the iron on it for about 30 seconds, then flip the card over and repeat. May take a few attempts. Then place the card under a real heavy book for a couple of days, and voila! There must be some salvation for a smelly card, too. Maybe a hot bath, then a touch of perfume? Clip it to the clothesline outside for a while? Pine Sol? Toilet bowl cleanser? I bet there are some really good ideas coming your way James... ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] James Moleta's Stinky Dilemma Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:07:42 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Aqua Velva....in an atomizer......that oughta do the trick. Having said that, I'm intrigued as to how much interest the cards would garner if they were advertised on Ebay as having BO. ..wait a minute...they are BOmans, aren't they? Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley [mailto:grains@dccnet.com] Sent: 11 January 2002 21:51 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] James Moleta's Stinky Dilemma The question was, do you just offer up the stinky old cards to the group? Heck, NO! If you saw a small fire starting in your house, would you give your house away? Heck NO! If your little one did a ca-ca in the diapers, would you put the tyke up for adoption? Heck NO...well...maybe. I figure you have to try a little CPR before leaping to a rash conclusion. The bent cardboard syndrome that I recently endured took a little effort to overcome, but it worked. Take the mister that Mumsy uses when she is ironing, cover the card with mist very lightly, wrap it in smooth linen (not textured, it leaves marks...I tried that first), hold the iron on it for about 30 seconds, then flip the card over and repeat. May take a few attempts. Then place the card under a real heavy book for a couple of days, and voila! There must be some salvation for a smelly card, too. Maybe a hot bath, then a touch of perfume? Clip it to the clothesline outside for a while? Pine Sol? Toilet bowl cleanser? I bet there are some really good ideas coming your way James... To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: Big Al Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:13:30 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Hey gang...just got an email from Al (our Saviour of OBC)...he is recovering, but is still having some problems....does not expect to be back at work for quite a while yet. Says he has lost a ton of weight, a lung is giving him some problems, but he's hanging in there. I don't think he is subscribed right now, so if you feel like dropping him a note of encouragement, I'm sure he would appreciate it. His email is alcattle@hotmail.com ================= To: Subject: St. AL Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:27:53 -0800 From: "Diamanti" Well Guys & Gals: Just received an e-mail from St. AL and am passing it along post haste in it's entirety. Will let you know my impressions after I get together with him and bring him his 'offerrings' from his OBC congregation! "Hi Mike, I went home 12-22 and was back in the ER on Monday. Went home that night and have been mending every since. Went to the doctor WEd. and got the ok to drive short trips like to the mall to walk and such. Been feeling better this week but it will be at least a month before back to work. Last hurdle is my lung is not quite working completely, Just need to be active. I was thinking about you, and maybe a pork sandwich. Not eating as much lately, lost 35 lbs on this diet! Trying to do some cards, but about all I have gotten done lately is the 2002 boxws I got from Sean Mc. More soon, and feel free to pass this along. Big Al in Seattle." Forgive him - he's just not used to signing his name with the new title - St. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: poetry winner #1 Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 23:41:14 From: "jeff sinclair" For #80 Carew Only one poem was sent So off to Sal Domino That cardboard went! good job sal! >From: ChicoD1@aol.com >To: suzguy11@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:38:40 EST >ok...I'm going to try this..no laughing ! >My ode to 68 card #80 >There once was a man named Carew >Toward the end they said he was through >But man could he hit >He could field with his mitt >And with his legs you thought that he flew >Oh this will provide memories alright, memories of why I never became a >writer! A great idea! MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Not in SCD? Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 18:48:16 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" When in Winston-Salem, I picked up a neat looking card of Jimmy Foxx. According to the Beckett Alphabetic Checklist book, its a 1947 Taylor-Schmirer Bowman, card #48. But I can't find it anywhere in SCD. Anyone know anything about this? No scan currently available but hopefully later tonight I'll get the scanner working. ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:15:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poetry winner #1 To: suzguy11@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey Jeff, Thanks for the card, this may be the first and only time I win in the writing catagory... Is that a pulitzer I see? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: WINNER-Ode to Brooks Robinson #20 Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:20:39 From: "jeff sinclair" For Brooks, two great poems were heard This one recaptured his greatness at third In these words respect, and honor sizzled So off the card goes to the one who is grizzled congrats howard! >From: HMorgan707@aol.com >To: suzguy11@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Ode to Brooks Robinson #20 >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 06:15:45 EST >There once was a guy name Brooksie, >Mid fifties found him in the Majors for a looksee, >though sent back to York, >so many homers he porked, >he was back in the big leagues real quickly. >Though a trip to Vancouver was dirty, >it saw Brooks hitting over three thirty. >He lifted his bat and declared, "third's where it's at" >and the Birds had him back in a jiffy. >'68 saw Brooks in his midcareer. >The records he set made it quite clear, >our boy, teamed with Frank, >and a great B'alt'more team to thank >was a mainstay for many a year. >His great team talents rate a blurb, >....and 23 years with one team, I have heard! >A fielder with grace, certainly earned him a place >in the HOF indisturbed. >Many call him the best 3rd sacker ever, >but, alas, Schmitty, that record did sever. >Being second best, puts my mind to rest >and his cards to collect, I endeavor. >Sir Howard Grizzly Morgan, Lord of Pencoed and Poet Loreat of Wales, 2002 Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: runner-up Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:25:49 From: "jeff sinclair" Ed will get the other cards he requested! nice effort Ed!! >From: Ed Schott >To: 'jeff sinclair ' >Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist >Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 15:54:26 -0500 > Jeff >Ed in Baltimore here >Could use 68T #s 97 and 194 >I am not much of a poet but here goes: >ITS A COLD WINTRY DAY >AND I'M CHECKING OBC >THERE IN JEFFS MESSAGE A BROOKSIE FOR FREE >'CAUSE ITS FREEZIN AND THE O'S ARE SO JIVE >I'D SURE LOVE TO HAVE THAT OLE # FIVE >THE CARD I SPEAK OF I ALREADY HAS >NO WORRY ITS FOR A BUDDY NAMED CHAZ >THIS POETRY STUFF IS FOR FAR SMARTER GUYS >SO I WILL SAY BYE, ME THINKS ITS JUST WISE >-----Original Message----- >From: jeff sinclair >To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com >Sent: 1/5/02 10:39 PM >Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist >hey guys >fcfs on these mostly very good cards >1968 topps up for grabs... #'s 8 14 68 76 79 91 97 148 156 194 195 209 >217 248 258 279 281 296 297 305 309 311 328 329 336 341 343 347 353 389 >421 551 555 556 565 574 580 595 >now for the twist, i have in my binders some highly sought after cards >this set and have debated with myself long and hard on who these cards >should go to if anybody. should i send them to my mentor (in thanks for >helping me acheive membership in this group)? should i send them as the >final card to someones set (that way my name may be forever praised in >immortal "last card by" line)? should i send them to a frequent trading >partner(they've given me great memories)? should i wait and give them to >first obc member i meet (maybe they will be one of the ones who already >the card)? should i try to work out a trade( but that sort of goes >my idea of obc)? anyhow, you get the picture and i'm sure you sympathize >with my predicament. if you read my collecting memoirs you will know >that i >received these cards courtesy of someone i worked with long ago. okay >enough of that. >i've decided that with the feller essay contests going on, to hold a >contest of my own. if you read my holiday posts you will have noticed >i'm a bit into poetry. so which of you are shakespeares at heart?? one >per member, i have to spread them around a little. pick the card you >and write a poem about yourself and the men on the cards. poetry will be >judged by the entire sinclair family and each card will have a different >winner. only one entry per member so choose your card carefully. hey, i >it ain't easy but neither is acquiring these cards. >the cards/1968 topps >#1 batting leaders clemente,gonzalez,m.alou >#20 brooks robinson >#80 rod carew >#85 gaylord perry >#363 rod carew all star >#480 managers dream oliva,cardenas,clemente >#490 super stars killebrew,mays,mantle >sorry, no ryan, saving those for my boys. entries must be received by >midnight wednesday january 9th 2002. winning entries will be posted to >group on friday january 11th 2002. >we send out our cards without giving a thought >to how we acquired them, were they gifts? were they bought? >we tuck them away in their space in the binder >and send thankful e-mails out to their finder >we share a great passion,for these cards and the men >who help us recall what our lives were back then >with every puffy,within all scp's >we swap something precious....... >it's called memories >thanks for the memories guys, hope this little excercise makes new >for all of us. >good luck >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:35:23 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Not in SCD? To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com This is a retro type set issued around 1976 and is listed in the big SCD under something like HRT if I recall. Neat set. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 22:33:44 EST Subject: upcoming trip to Atlanta To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com I'm going to be in Atlanta the night of Wednesday, Jan 23rd. I'll be staying right downtown somewhere (know next week the specific hotel). Anyone want to get together? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: poetry in motion/68 super stars Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:37:51 From: "jeff sinclair" The entries were many To judge them was hard So many seemed worthy Of this "Super" card Poems of support Poems of advice Before choosing a winner We had to think twice This card said I, to my wife and my sons Must be sent to somebody who needs just this one You see I explained, it's real tough to get And just has to be the last one for a set Their poem should be good Dad, said the younger of my two Let's pick out the best ones Before deciding what to do We narrowed down our favorites Until there were left but three Gary Mandell, Dan Austin And Major Matt Shirley MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: second runner up Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:49:10 From: "jeff sinclair" >From: Dan Austin >To: "jeff sinclair" >Subject: Re: Dan pleads for '68 Topps #490 >Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 23:00:00 -0500 >>#490 super stars killebrew,mays,mantle >[sung to the tune of The Beverly Hillbillies] >Lemme tell y'all a story about three beefy dudes, >They played with all their hearts, without bad attitudes, >They all could hit the ball, a sweet long country mile, >Each dinger that they smacked usually went a country mile. >Long that is...Really far! >Well the first one in our tale is a guy named Killebrew, >A strong quiet type, a hero for me and you, >His team was rinky-dink, but he made a name for it, >He kicked some major butt, even though his team was a pile of ... ;-) >Now the second guy we name is gent they called "Sey Hey" >The greatest of them all? He was complete in every way. >Barely more than a child, he wowed us all in '54, >Every great play that he made, always made us cry for more, >He hit so many homers, Babe rolled over in his grave, >We all shed a little tear when 'Ol Willie gave his parting wave. >For last one of the three, its a guy they called the Mick. >He dominated for so long he made the other players sick, >There'll never be another one like sweet 'ol #7 >We'd all love his rookie card, but who can afford that #311? >Topps that is... 1952... Overpriced... >[ And for the finale, we transition to a simple A/B/A/B poetic scheme...] >So now its time for Dan to make a simple, final plea, >And talk about the '68 Topps card that he'd like to get, >Its a really nice card, but what's really killin' me, >Its impossible to find and its the last card for my set! Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: First runner up Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:50:48 From: "jeff sinclair" >From: Smartalecx@aol.com >To: suzguy11@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist >Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 23:48:20 EST >jeff: i don't think i have done this for 30 years, but i'll give it a shot. >A young boy in Cleveland >I suffered each season >With my Tribe, who were going nowhere >One year, they were great >Think it was 68 >When we actually had something to cheer >But despite all that losing >I'll never stop wooing >For those summers, for those were the days >When we'd go to old Muni >Scream, shout and act loony >And bask in the sun and its haze >Cuz even if we lost >It was well worth the cost >To see players, who acted on stage >Could you ever be sad? >At the ballpark with Dad >Watching Killebrew, Mantle and Mays >can you guess which card i am trying for? i hope i can reserve the right >edit this poem before the deadline, but for a 5 minute job, think it came >tnx, gary mandell Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: And the winner is.... Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:52:25 From: "jeff sinclair" >From: MatShirley@aol.com >To: suzguy11@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:42:41 EST >Here goes. Not much of a poet I'm afraid. So I'll use the lighter side: >1968, One To Go >There's a card from this wonderful set, >That I've not gotten my hands on yet, >One to go, as most know, >Seems to never show, >So for Jeff I will pen this vignette. >The infamous Superstars card, >has proved to be definitely hard >to come by, hook or crook, >Whether barter or book, >Whether whole or muster of shard. >Three players adorn this design, >from a year that was wonderfully fine, >Brew, Mantle and Mays, >Were the stars of their days, >And on 490 their faces do shine. >At least, that is what I am told, >For this card to me never was sold, >It's the last one to go, >But never at show, >So help me, my hunt is yet cold. >68, four ninty the card, >Over Ryan, to find is so hard. >But you have a few, >That you would bid adieu, >So please send him off to my yard. >In debt to you ever I'll be, >If your willing to send it to me. >Your name, my web page, >Will forever emblaze. >For all the world over to see. >I will offer my dupes as they are, >in trade, or will offer my bar, >For a toast I'll raise you, >For a stout Kille"brew", >Accompanied by two other star. >Those two, are a perilous few, >Must be, for my stories not new, >We search near and far, >Alas, back to the car, >Or the mall and wear out a new shoe. >Jeff, really, it needs to be me, >you select for this wonderful three. >One more yet to go, >Then it's off to a show, >To focus on 1963! >I'm having fun either way. Way to go! Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: a final word Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:06:19 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, thanks to all who submitted an entry in my poetry contest. as you can tell from the poems this was very hard to judge. the super star card was the most popular and matt, gary, and dan all submitted very good poems! but somebody had to win and congratulations to matt. suzanne, matt, adam, and myself had a ball reading the poems and we debated the winners since thursday evening. it almost came down to a coin toss but the deciding factor was that we all agreed that matts poem seemed to us to have come more from somewhere inside of him than did the others. again, that was our feeling and others may read them differently than we. we could almost see him walking with head down show after show and discarding his worn out sneakers in the dumpster outside the mall. dan had us with the catchiness of the tune, gary had us with the mention of going to the game with dad, but matt got us where it counted the most....in our hearts. all cards will be out soon. thanks for the fun do you remember the feel of the candy store steps?? Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 05:28:57 EST Subject: letterman! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com "Did you see President Bush throw out the first pitch of game two of the World Series? The White House said it was a strike. The Taliban said it missed and killed several innocent people." -David Letterman ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:50:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1971 Starter Set From: "coop951" Hi All Ive got about 90 leftover 71s from a waiver wire item last month .Whoever wants to start this set I would gladly give the whole lot to you. They are for the any condition gladly taken crowd. They are nice but some have some pencil and pen markings on them. A better deal then you will ever find on e bay Jim Cooper ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:23:33 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: And the winner is.... From: "mshirley_2000" Damn it Jim! I'm a warrior, not a poet! Thanks Jeff, very much. Now I have to live with a guilt complex. Ya'll will understand if you read my latest thank you posting. Have a great weekend all! Semper Fi, --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "jeff sinclair" wrote: > >From: MatShirley@a... > >To: suzguy11@h... > >Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 topps available + a twist > >Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:42:41 EST > > > >Jeff, > >Here goes. Not much of a poet I'm afraid. So I'll use the lighter > > > >1968, One To Go > > > >There's a card from this wonderful set, > >That I've not gotten my hands on yet, > >One to go, as most know, > >Seems to never show, > >So for Jeff I will pen this vignette. > > > >The infamous Superstars card, > >has proved to be definitely hard > >to come by, hook or crook, > >Whether barter or book, > >Whether whole or muster of shard. > > > >Three players adorn this design, > >from a year that was wonderfully fine, > >Brew, Mantle and Mays, > >Were the stars of their days, > >And on 490 their faces do shine. > > > >At least, that is what I am told, > >For this card to me never was sold, > >It's the last one to go, > >But never at show, > >So help me, my hunt is yet cold. > > > >68, four ninty the card, > >Over Ryan, to find is so hard. > >But you have a few, > >That you would bid adieu, > >So please send him off to my yard. > > > >In debt to you ever I'll be, > >If your willing to send it to me. > >Your name, my web page, > >Will forever emblaze. > >For all the world over to see. > > > >I will offer my dupes as they are, > >in trade, or will offer my bar, > >For a toast I'll raise you, > >For a stout Kille"brew", > >Accompanied by two other star. > > > >Those two, are a perilous few, > >Must be, for my stories not new, > >We search near and far, > >Alas, back to the car, > >Or the mall and wear out a new shoe. > > > >Jeff, really, it needs to be me, > >you select for this wonderful three. > >One more yet to go, > >Then it's off to a show, > >To focus on 1963! > > > > > > > >I'm having fun either way. Way to go! > >Matt > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ================= To: Subject: Big Al Report Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:24:37 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I got to talk to Al for a few minutes this afternoon...apart from sounding really tired, he was doing okay. Says he's not allowed to do too much yet. At times, he was almost his usual cranky self, but not as bad as when you wake him up at 8 am and tell him it's time to go for breakfast...nobody is ever that cranky, right Mike D? He says he will come up to Vancouver at the drop of the hat for a card show or if I buy dinner. Might take him up on the dinner part....no card shows for a while up here. He is getting some emails, just can't do too much online stuff for very long. If you haven't sent him a note, please take a minute and make his day. Thanks gang! ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:01:00 EST Subject: Pafco Inflation To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Greenspan's definition of baseball card price inflation=Pafco Inflationebay ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:18:49 EST Subject: a 52 Dodger high cheap??? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ebay # 1061541225-52 topps hi # 355- Bobby Morgan-(check condition)--Description reads " a chance to buy a Dodger high number cheap"--???????--Cheap!!! to Mr. Young- the 2nd King of the Hawaiian Islands- but NOT cheap to me- OR>>>>Please buy my 52 high # 's "cheap" cards so i can serve caviar to my fat cat friends on my presidential size yacht every year at my Hawaiian trade conference i sponser which peon card collectors are not ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:40:04 EST Subject: OBC Friends! To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com All - I would like to take a few moments to express my sincere appreciation to all of you! Since September 11, 2001, my job has changed dramatically and I have had to endure long stressful hours most of my time away from home in Washington, DC and the end is not yet in sight. I will be on detail at least through the month of February. I suspect my job has changed for the foreseeable future and I will be working in the Office of Border Security for a long time to I appreciate many people in this group for all the well wishes and support. I especially want to thank Joel Glickman for taking the time to call Margaret to insure she was OK while I was out of town, THANKS Joel! I want to thank Steve Rittenberg for the many times he has taken the time to visit me in Washington, DC and the many great cards he brought for me, THANKS Steve! I want to thank Ken Morganti for taking the time after a long trip to spend time with me and the great cards, THANKS Ken! I want to thank Andy Cook for taking the time to meet me for lunch and the great cards, THANKS Andy! I want to thank Doug Smith for making several efforts to get together with me in Washington, DC (I hope it happens before I leave next week), THANKS Doug! My bottom line here is we am blessed to be a part of this wonderful group which goes well beyond our love of grand old cardboard! No matter what walk of life we are in and where life may take us we will most likely have OBCers' to make the time away from home easier to take! OBC continues to be a great group with a lot of caring wonderful people! Thank to all of you for everything you do to make OBC the great group it is! Tripleplay (Rick) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OBC calling !! Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:29:09 -0500 From: "John Collins" I got an interesting phone call this afternoon -- my wife handed me the phone and when I asked who it was, she just gave me that shrug that means "howshould I know?" When I said hello, the voice on the other end of the line informed me that "Hey, did you know that is MY Nolan Ryan rookie card you are getting?" The voice turned out to be none other than Tim Fitak, Linda's husband, who called me all the way from California just to say hello and tell me a few stories about that Nolan card and of course his favorite pitcher, J.R. Richard. It was interesting to learn that the card I will be receiving from Linda was actually Tim's from when he was a kid. He said that once (sometime in 1968 I presume) the card narrowly escaped being confiscated by a teacher at school, but luckily he was able to hide it away before that could happen. Great information!! I always wished there was some way that cards could talk -- the places they have been and the people they have seen - it would betruly Then Tim and I talked for awhile about the relative merits of Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richard. I was very envious when I learned that Tim had seen BOTH of these pitchers numerous times during the '70's -- Nolan when he was pitching in his prime in Anaheim for the Angels, and J.R. Richard when he wouldcome to town with the Astros and whip up on the "lie down" Dodgers. Tim, I only wish I could have seen some of what you have. Tim says that while Nolan was a good fastball pitcher, the batters would still make contact withthe ball fairly easily. With Richard however, he said it was unreal. When J.R. was on his game, it was rare that much contact was made at all. Today, my memories of J.R. Richard are nil, and my memories of Nolan are limited to seeing him on TV a handful of times, and watching a video of his 7th No-hitter. Anyway, thanks so much to Linda again for declaring me the winner of that very special Ryan card, and to Tim for taking the time to just call up a stranger out of the blue and talk baseball. I enjoyed it very much. On thatsame note, I recieved a notice in my mailbox today that a package from "Fitak" is waiting for me down at the post office for pickup on Monday. I canhardly wait ! Thanks again Linda and Tim, you are two wonderful people. I look forward to many more OBC experiences with you both!! John C. Collins ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:59:57 EST Subject: Talking cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) From: Traderdoug@aol.com >>> I always wished there was some way that cards could talk -- the places they have been and the people they have seen - it would be truly interesting.<<<, Subject: sunday waiver wire Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:19:46 -0500 From: "John Collins" Hello all, I have the following available, first come first serve. All are at least in the G/VG range unless noted: 1955 Bowman: 128, 166 1956 Topps: 68, 179 1957 Topps: 91, 116, 153, 177 (poor) 195, 202 (ex+) 1959 Topps: 85, 302 1961 Topps: 18, 34, 64, 74, 76, 77, 82, 185, 332 John C. Collins ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Who else is collecting 1964 Topps Coins? Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:06:12 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" I couldn't easily determine who else out there is collecting 1964 Topps Coins. I have some available. I picked up a bunch of lower grade 64 Topps Coins (I didn't think you couldhave beat up coins, but some of the kids must have actually played with these and left them in the yard.) I still need several including 18 Brooks Robinson, 33 Mathews, 36 Marichal,59 Gibson, 82 Rose, 88 Spahn, 120 Mantle, 131B Mantle righty, and 149 Aaron. But I have the following availble: 106 Koufax, 129 kaline, 139 Ford, 151 Mays, 159 Koufax, 160 Spahn and the following: 8,25,35,45, 48,57,68,71,77,84,98,122,126, 127,128,134, 154,155, 158,161 Let me know if you need em. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:53:37 EST Subject: dupes box refilled To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com hey gang: spent the day pruning and uploading the type card wantlist and going through a boatload of 60's commons i picked up at a show a couple of weeks ago. i snagged 1100 60's topps commons and have filled in some of my wantlists and upgraded some things as well. i''ve also segregated cards for the 63 and 64 sets, which i haven't checklisted yet but i'm officially starting those 2 sets now--i must be nuts. combined with some other purchases i've made i now have a nice 3000 count box brimming with trade bait from the 60's and 70's.--i'll be hitting those obc wantlists in the coming weeks. ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:01:49 EST Subject: OBC meeting clarification The REAL story! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com ok guys, Steve has written about the Orioles fanfest, but now the real story! We met inside the Camden Yards Civic Center about 11 am and headed for the SABR booth. Innocently enough we were sitting in front of a stage when a dozen little girls came out and began peeling off their clothes. I tried to restrain Steve, but in his excitement over a 3nd year Yaz that I handed him, he yelled, "Boy, look at that nice littleYaz!" One of the fathers, misinterpreting his joy and comment, swung a video camera at him, which I fortunately stopped with my rather large Orioles binder, releasing a flood of Brooksies and Palmers over the floor. When things subsided, we were on our hands and knees picking up the last "Os " cards when a security guard suggested we move on, as the little girls were again changing costumes for the next "ballet" number.....and a pair of lechers crawling around the floor amongst them was rather conspicuous. As we left, Steve mentioned something about returning in about six years to see one little blonde who he bet would be swinging from a pole in the Peacock Seriously, had a great time, and "old Reliable" Steve came up with a dozen great cards for my Harlem Globetrotters set which number needed has now dwindled to 19! Thanks Steve. Sorry to have missed Trips and Doug Smith that night, but had to get back for the Iggles game! (Go Iggles, beat da bears!) Old Grizzly ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 23:06:39 EST Subject: dupes box refilled To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com hey gang: spent the day pruning and uploading the type card wantlist and going through a boatload of 60's commons i picked up at a show a couple of weeks ago. i snagged 1100 60's topps commons and have filled in some of my wantlists and upgraded some things as well. i''ve also segregated cards for the 63 and 64 sets, which i haven't checklisted yet but i'm officially starting those 2 sets now--i must be nuts. combined with some other purchases i've made i now have a nice 3000 count box brimming with trade bait from the 60's and 70's.--i'll be hitting those obc wantlists in the coming weeks. ================= To: Subject: Howard's Lament Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:07:40 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" Fellas -- If you would like to get a blockbuster deal put together with Howard, you better do it this week. He is going to be in a sour mood after his beloved Iggles limp away from Soldier Field next Saturday! Maybe Bets will comfortyou with a back rub or something after the game, Howard! Take Care, Geno ================= To: "RAMBLINGS" Subject: Take these , please Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:15:37 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" I have a few cards on my desktop that are looking for a good home... Step up to the plate ! For this round you will not be required to sing dance, rhyme or theorize. That'll come later when I dig out some HOFers to share. For now, all you gotta do is ask ! 1911 T202 End Panels ~~ Archer,Bergen,Becker 1951 Topps red back #32 1953 Topps #23 1960 Topps #491, 530 1962 Topps #21,22,36,66,68,103,286,307,367,397,441, 1964 Giant cards~~R. Hunt (#6) ,R.Colavito (#9), D. Chance (#16) F.Howard (#24),C. Pascual (#32),T. Davis (#43),T.Oliva (#44) 1965 Topps #523 sp Brumley 1972 Topps # 693, 773 take these, please ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 02:32:17 EST Subject: Al "Flip" Rosen - 1950 Bowman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda-i got an e-mail some time back from someone in the group who collects Al Rosen of the Cleveland Indians and wanted his 1950 Bowman # 232-i just got one today in a trade- very nice condition- only 1 slight corner crease in upper right hand corner-( and not noticable unless you hold it at an angle to light) No scuffs, ink marks, tears, scratches, fading , browning, stains- Whoever wanted this card please let me know- Linda ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: OBC directory in spreadsheet format Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:29:29 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Thanks to Erik Greenwood for doing all the heavy lifting on this mini-project. I have the OBC directory in spreadsheet format which is useful for sorting by state (or country). I also use it to keep track of who I've met and still want to meet. If you'd like a copy, please let me know. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Senor Mickey de Venezuela........ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:28:34 -0800 From: "John Collins" I have already mentioned this to Brock, Dan, Ken M. and Steve to see if they had any comments (which they did, much appreciated) but thought I would send out a ramble to see if anybody had anything else to add: I recently got a '59 Topps Mantle off ebay, and when the package finally arrived this morning, I opened it up, and lo and behold it was the Venezuelan version instead of the normal Topps - USA version. The card has a gray back (all 1st series '59 Topps issued in the US had white backs) and says "Impreso En Venezuela" where the normal "T.C.G. Printed in U.S.A." would go. The card is in about VG condition or a tad better. I already know the approx. value, thanks for some of you who looked it up in your SCD's.....My question this time concerns rarity: I know it is something that you don't see everyday, but has anybody else ever seen this particular card or another star from this set offered for sale? If so how much did it go for? I plan to keep this one for awhile, but am interested to hear anybody's comments just the same. ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:03:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: this and that From: "alcattle" Good to read things are going ok. I wanted to say thanks to all the words of encouragement I have gotten. I will be replying privately to some of them soon. I read Grant and Mike's reports. I did not know some of this stuff happened as I was asleep a lot of the time (kind of like Vegas'97) but I am getting better. It will still be a month before I can go back to work. I can do some things now but not for long as I need to for the doctor to give me a full release. I am almost caught up with the mail and glad most of the hubbub is quieted down. I can't wait for Vegas 02 and the National. Hope to make both this year. Some mailings are also heading out this week, some computer problems are slowing that effort. Talk more soon, Big Al in Seattle ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: An ambitious project and we may need YOUR help Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:22:54 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Ever want to clear out all your 1961 Topps dupes but didn't know who collected 'em? Ever find a few high number psychos at a show but didn't know whose set they'd complete? Well, we are on the road to answering those questions. The answer is a project involving two or three steps. Step 1 -- An automated process for downloading all wantlists Step 2 -- Create an sortable index which lists which sets are being worked on by which OBCers. This step may not be needed based on the sophistication of the last step. Step 3 -- Creation of a "wantlist parser" that will break up wantlists by member / set and then re-combine so that the results can be accessed by set. What would the results look like (theoretically) 1952 Topps Steve Rittenberg 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 311 Erik Greenwood 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 311 (Your name here) 1 4 5 234 290 311 407 So far Erik has done *all* the work. I'm pretty good at dreaming stuff upbut was never the general programmer I wanted to be. Erik is an accomplished programmer in MS Access and has put together some pretty impressive stuff. He showed me the results of a program he put together which will download every member's lists. He is currently working on "parsing" the lists so that we can access this info. We need the help of OBC techies. Though I am pretty good at proposing theideas, I do not think I am the best one to decide about which platform to use and other "big" questions. Also, my programming skills are relativelyprimitive, especially compared to someone who actually gets paid to use them. So -- who wants to volunteer to be the "big cheese" and who can volunteer to do some of the work? If there is grunt work, I will do it as I have themost time available. Assuming we have enough people interested, we should hold an online meetingto have a discussion about a plan to move forward. Everyone would be invited. BTW -- I have not run any of this past Wayne or the A/C. If someone thinks I've crossed some line here, LMK. I have other ideas for this project that would need AC approval but I don't want to get ahead of myself. Thanks again to Erik for turning one of my ambitions into a reality. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] OBC needs a new webmaster! ASAP! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:07:09 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I volunteer to be a lacky to the webmaster but don't have the experience to hold the webmaster position. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Austin To: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 7:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Announcements] OBC needs a new webmaster! ASAP! Well, the time has come... The time for me to step down from this exciting and painful job they call Webmaster. I'll being going into a bit of a "card hibernation" mode for a while in an attempt to re-create some free time to spend with my family. Cards and web design stuff are just taking way too much of my time right now, and I'm looking for a break. A BIG break. I'll try and tie up some loose ends before I pass the torch. Speaking of passing the torch...who is ready to take on this challenging job? As of today, you can consider me "officially" resigned, so if you'd like the job, please contact the OBCAC ASAP! I'll continue in a lessening role as needed to help make the transition smoother. ================= To: Subject: Thanks Dan! Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 17:20:29 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" First, thank you Dan, for all your efforts, you have taken us a long way. Second, I am no tekkie, so Webmaster is out of my realm. I would like to volunteer to take over the Directory, and I think there is an outside chance I might be able to handle it. Likely best to leave it to the new Webmaster to decide, but I'm game to handle that part of the responsibility if need be. I'd love to give something back to this group anyways. ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 19:24:44 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! After being sick most of the last month (what a rotten way to spend the holidays), I am finally feeling up to cataloging baseball cards. Here are some availables picked up over the couple of months. I will try to distribute them equitably, giving priority to any OBCers to whom I owe cards or have not sent anything to in recent months. Have fun! 1955 Bowman: 51 114 117 175 181 221 1955 Topps: 3 14 16 57 79 96 101(2) 104 147(2) 148 1958 Topps: 201 1959 Topps: 241 368 414 1960 Topps: 137 171 214 319 524 562 1961 Topps: 336 509 518 522 1962 Topps: 78 1963 Topps: 23 177 1964 Topps: 30 84 157 174 279 281 362 1965 Topps: 23 80(2) 85 105 108 159 189 1966 Topps: 13 16 21 38 49 51 53 56 58 59 65 69 73 77 78 88 107 108 127 1967 Topps: 282 364 370 397 398 399 1968 Topps: 260 263 441 467 1968 Topps Game Cards: 18 20 21 28 1970 Topps: 219 1971 Topps: 409 1972 Topps: 606 1973 Topps: 7 8 25 29 34 36 37 38 39 43 48 53 58 59 73 77 82 87 93 97 102 103 107 108 111 112 113 114 117 118 121 129 138 183 186 216 233 251 342 369 407 453 486 1974 Topps: 41 175(2) 393 576 630 652 123T 1975 Topps: 113 1976 Topps: 575 642 1978 Topps: 425 539 656 1979 Topps: 65 359 527 671 684 Have fun! Mike Wierzbicki ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:30:58 +0800 Subject: Thanks Dan From: " john harrell" A tip of the OBC cap to Dan Austin for a great job in running our web pages. I think you'll all agree our web site has never been in better shape. Thanks for all your hard work, Dan!! ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: Tiger killer - B's Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:36:45 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Can anyone give me the Tigers starting lineup from the '50s where each guy's name stared with a B? ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:44:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Digest Number 259 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/14/02 7:46:26 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: << We need some kind of all-time roster, or maybe another "guess the OBCer" contest. >> Below is a list of most of the names I've had in my address book (in somewhat alphabetical order). I took the names from a spreadsheet I've had since shortly after I joined OBC. Since I haven't updated it in a few months, a lot of the newer members aren't in there however. I also know there's a few missing that were still in the group when I originally joined - I added them in from memory (Overby and Lenhart for example). I wish I could find that copy of the directory I printed out in 1995 This should bring back a few memories. Enjoy... Ken M A) Carlos Alcazar, George Altemose, Lorin Anderson, Mark Atnip, Dan Austin, Soren Agard, William Atkinson B) John Ball III, Andy Baran, Jim Beauchemin, Pete Brito, Greg Buscemi C) Geordie Calvert, Stephen Carter, Brad Chambers, Yuk Chow, Dan Cipra, Glenn Codere, Jerry Coker, Gregory Conway, Andy Cook, James Cooper, Bob Corvello, Al Cummings, Rich Cummings, Randy Carroll, Joe Cerullo, Jonathan Chapman, John Ching Jr., Phil Chmielewski, Barry Clesh, Daniel Coen, Chris Conley, Bob Courtney, Sondra Craft, Tom Curtis, Mike Czape D) Bob D'Angelo, Doug DeJong, Wayne Delia, Jeff Delott, Mike Diamanti, Terry Dietrick, Sal Domino, Brett Domue, Bob Donaldson, Joseph Duffy, Frank Dinola, Shonn Draper, Neil Droogan E) Richard Ellison, Bill Ebbing, Scott Elkins, Daryl Ellerbee, Joel Emrick F) Dave Fallen, Bob Farrell, Robert Fitts, Brad Fox, Tony Feaster, Linda Fitak, Frank Foertschbeck, William Ford G) Joel Glickman, Matthew Glidden, Ignacio Gonzalez, Kent Goto, Erik Greenwood, Randy Griffin, Stu Gash, Ralph Genova, John Godfrey, David Gough, Joe Greco, Bruce Gregory H) Mike Hair, John Harrell, Jim Hatch, John Hathcock, Brock Hattox, George Hay, Steve Hitzeman, David Hornish, Chris Hackman, George Hart, John Heintzelman, Neil Holbrook, Tim Horton I) Peter Iversen J) Doug Julien, John Jackson, Doug Johnson K) Jim Kalina, Rick Keating, Mike Kinney, Todd Knowles, David Kolenda, Greg Kuhn, Andy Kimball, Paul King, Ron Kingsbury, Emil P Kushner Jr. L) Joshua Levine, Dennis Linden, Brian Lindholme, Ray Luurs, Chris Ladas, Bill Lehuta, Bill List, Kevin Lohse, Dave Luciano, Guisela Luster, Keith M) Mark Macrae, Bill Malson, Kevin Martens, Sean McGowan, John McLaughlin, Don Metz, Greg Miller, James Moleta, George Moore, Robert Moore, Howard Morgan, Carl Mura, Bob MacDonald, Dan Majcher, Bill "B. C." Marvin, Matthew McCright, Michael McGrail, Len Medeiros, Bob Miller, Lynn Miller, Jim Montgomery, Ken Morganti N) David Nathan, Bob Neill, Tim Newcomb, John Nye O) Kevin Oneill, Paul Overby P) Chuck Paris, Jimmy Parker, Gary Pearce, Ron Perry, Robert W. Pigeon, Ed Pike, David Purdam, Jim Pearce, George Pizzo Q) Dat Quach R) Grant Rainsley, Roger Raum, Rick Redpath, Bob Reed, Mike Rich, Steve Rittenberg, Larry Ritter, Richard Robinson, William Reed, Jim Rogers, Matt Rosen, Jim Russo S) Jeff Sackmann, Sam Saletta, Bob Saxton, Bob Schaub, Ed Schott, Matt Shirley, Jim Silva, Jeff Sinclair, David Skoglund, Doug Smith, Rex Stahlman, John E. Storman, Keith Summers, Rick Svetecz, Pat Sweeney, Rick Scogland, Mark Shelton, Steve Simms, Chuck Skelley, Dave Sosidka, Bill Staffa, Steve Steinlicht, Dan St. Clair, Paul Stenshoel, Greg Strobel T) Mark S. Talbot, Neal Thomas, Larry Tipton, Steve Tas, Frank Thomas, Jim Tomlinson, Dale Towne V) George Vrechek, Eric Vaituzis W) Geno Wagner, Art Wainwright, Bob Wells, Marshall West, Jim Wiehe, Michael Wierzbicki, Tom Williams, Kevin Wolf, Terry Woods, Mac Wubben, Tom Wagner, Bill Walpert, Al Way, Bill Wolpmann Z) Mark Zentkovich, Larry Zurawski ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 02:39:47 EST Subject: The First OBC Directory To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Ken and others...in my hands I hold the original OBC directory, printed on one sheet of 8 1/2x 11 on green paper...included were member names, addresses, collecting interests and the funniest of all, all our old prodigy id's (anybody still remember their's?)...Below is the roster and it was nice looking at it again and bringing back some old memories...here comes the nostalgia...(Btw...this roster was completed well over a year after OBC started--almost two by the looks of it!) Al Autry (kffb66a)-- I remember trading Al a bunch of Conlon stuff for some HOF plaque cards. Bruce Barnard (xbrg60a)-- Completed second trade with Bruce...sent him a bunch of late '70s for some mid- '80s Phillies. Phil Chmielewski(csdx19a)-- monter list anyone? His list was truly huge and the biggest in OBC until I went to work on the Phillies monster. Beau Day(mfxc25b)-- Beau actually lived within an hour of me and we talked on the phone a few times but never actually met. William Dilbert(hwtt37a)-- I remember Bill collecting kellogs...that is all. Ryan Distelrath(bxgd66b)--was the second youngest obcer for a number of years--I was youngest until Ryan "The Teenager" Tewell joined. George Evanoff(vmpb27b)--loved tigers...we seemed to have a lot of tigers collectors over the years. Frank Forest(vdpn69a)--Frank and I traded often..I sent him a lot of my old basketball for his old baseball dups...I actually met frank a year before obc but he did not join until much later. Walter Hitchcock(cfng16a)--Wally loved Tom Seaver...I seem to remember conspiring with some other OBCers to get him a Seaver rookie... David Hornish(djxp04a)-- David is one of three people I blame for starting my Phillies quest...good to see him getting back to being more active. Knows more about Topps than most Topps employees! Peter Iversen (jbcx21b)-- Peter was in OBC early, then out, then in again...I know he does not remember it, but I remember getting a '72 Phillie from him and realizing he lived 15 minutes from me! ARtie Johnson(cmkd18a)-- I dont remember Artie too well other than he sent me a list of all t-206 and t-205 phillies. Jeffrey Johnson(rjsc87a)-- J.J. collected nothing but HOFers. Rick Keating(npdj92a)--person #2 responsible for the impossible list...suggested I start collecting t-206 phillies. Todd Knowles(pnmw76a)-- Collects Red Sox...after 10 years we finally met last year at Vegas. Joshua Levine(dxpp05a)-- sheesh...i did not remember my prodigy account at Side #2 Mike McCrary(khrw96a)-- Second OBCer from Longview Tx. We traded often. Len Medeiros(rmnn16a)-- first post on prodigy i saw was a discussion between len and Rick Keating about the merits of J.R. Richard and Don Mossi. Dan Morrill (jvrg04a)-- also seemed to love the Red Sox... Michael Morrison (hrrj88a)-- Mickey once sent a bunch of us 1 share of Topps stock...I think the dividends still go to his home in OK! Bob Neill (vbjv45a)-- I remember Bob helping me with early post Phillies and odd stuff. Bob also was an instrumental part in helping me start my birth year set (1971) which at the time made a lot of the obcers cringe at the late year of my birth... Dave Ostroff(mrbw51a)--Dr. Dave knew more about computers and tigers than I Fred Parrow(dwpw35a)-- used to send x-mas cards to obcers (first one I got from an obcer)...I sent his newborn boy a 1992 set...sheesh, his son Ryan (yes named after Nolan) must be getting close to 10 now!! Robert Sells( cnfs42a)-- Bob loved the orioles...i sent him some early ripkens, he sent me some early schmidts. Mark O. Shelton (fbtm01a)-- would always teach us Native American words...has been working on the '61 and 57 sets for 12 years!! Keith Summers (kffb66b)-- like Peter...he was in and out of obc...i do remember sending keith a box of champ summers cards. Ryan Tewell (hrmj62c)-- The Teenager! Ryan was the youngest obcer after 1 1/2 years. I loved his collecting interest "cards with strange pictures" Victor Timmons (dwsp42a)-- Vic collected Brooks and other orioles. Larry Tipton (wfjg04a)-- first obcer met when Larry came to visit his sister in Lancaster...drove around alot and finally found an open store...i seem to recall there was a binder full of cards with back damage that he bought...i bought a t-206 (still have it too!) Terry Woods (csmj55a)-- Terry is #3 on the blame for the monster...he suggested jokingly that I should collect all phillies...ooops... Bryan Yorkton (mtxg31c)-- Bryan collected Orel...living in L.A. I sent him a lot of Orel stuff--he sent me some neat stuff as well!! That is it...31 members after nearly 2 years...There are some other members I remember...but that will be another e-mail ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 03:47:59 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] Digest Number 259 To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... here's a few more for the master roster -- some from an old printed list I had and others from a 1995 posting. It's still not complete, but it adds some more oldtimers. I remember quite a few of them, but others are leaving me scratching my head! Anyway, here they are...: Dave Andrews (DDAndy) Bill Beaman Joe Curley (TsengJoeC) John Dillion (NeonKnight) Kurt Dragone (KC... what a character) Rob Fester Dennis Ford Terry Grossberg George Hewitt Curt Holmer Jeff Isaacson Mike Kane Leonard Kelly Dave Keough Bob Leach William Levy John MacDonald Dan Manning Enrique Medina A.J. (Artie) Owens Kent Pool Mark Rosenman Mark Shafer Mark Staller Jeri Vaughn I'll start searching through the old diskettes I have. Hope to help out as much as possible. Take care, ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 21:42:48 +0800 To: Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An ambitious project and we may need YOUR help From: Lynn Miller Erik and Steve are to be commended for doing something so beneficial and so long overdue. Certainly not an easy or enviable task but one that will tremendously improve the efficiency of "flying cardboard". It was always tough trying to figure out who needed 52 Topps #311 without having to look at each individual wantlist. Let's give the OBC "Wright Brothers" a big hand for getting this off the ground. And kudos to Dan for his work with the website. I was just leaving I think when Dan took over. I was very impressed with the layout and improvements when I returned. It was good before, but Dan made it better. We will miss your expertise and untiring efforts and hope we can get someone to continue to keep it up and make more improvements. I think I share everyone's feelings in wishing the best for you. I received many, many of the same thoughts on how the family does come first and cards second. We know and understand where you are coming from, believe me. And while I'm rambling about data bases and websites, I need some help and I know someone has the answer. Many of you have asked me (more than once in some cases) if I were going to start a new set. The answer is still no, sort of. However, I do have one more desire other than to complete the Topps regular issue runs (and don't get into the 51 Topps sets). I'd like to collect one of every card ever issued for Hank Aaron, including the shiny versions, inserts and all. I can see the scramble for the dupes boxes now! I have all his regular Topps cards in addition to those items listed on my wantlist. Of course there are a zillion others. Problem is I don't know them all. I could look through Beckett but that probably would not come up with a complete list. So I thought that with all the databases on the Internet, perhaps someone could point me to one that would list all the Hank Aaron cards printed and then tell me how to extract the list and put it up on my wantlist page. Is anyone challenged? Thanks, Lynn P.S. I guess it wouldn't hurt to have some dupes of Hank :>) ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Info needed about "Official Pete Rose Baseball Card Set" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:13:07 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" ** Warning: this message refers to cards from the 80s ** I have a big pile from this set but I can't find the set listed in SCD. Ican't even figure out what year they were printed. Can anyone help? Also, if you need any specific cards for the set or have some extras, LMK. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 17:35:04 EST Subject: Who was Erv Palica?? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i got a 1951 Bowman # 189 of Brooklyn Dodger Erv Palica at the local hotel card show this weekend- i recognized the name because he is on one of my 52 topps cards but i know nothing about him- Anyone in the group see him pitch or remember anything about him?-i don't remember seeing him on any later cards i have- Some guys on 52 topps i have like Hoyt Wilhelm i am familiar with because i have seen him on 60's topps cards-and ever a later Angels card- Linda ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 20:10:38 EST Subject: What I did on my winter vacation (long) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, jgreco@us.imshealth.com From: cardclctor@aol.com (The trip wasn't that long, but this message is, so grab a sandwich a a bunch of free time if you want to finish ) This trip was thrown together at the last minute and made u pas I went along.. and so is this e-mail. Please bear with me. Friday evening, I set off for Silver Spring, MD to pick up Steve Rittenberg on my way down to Charlotte. I had purchased four tickets to see the Patriots play the hapless Carolina Panthers along with my cousin, brother and another online friend. Unfortunately, my cousin had to back out and Steve offered to pick up the extra ticket. I left at 9:30 PM and arrived just after my estimated time of 4 AM. Steve, the seasoned traveler that he is, was still packing cards and printing out lists when I arrived. I always do that stuff 1/2 hour before I'm ready to go Anyway, we loaded up the car, which was now a portable card shop and headed t oCharlotte. We arrived before 11 AM, which was pretty good time, considering the weather conditions. There wasn't a flake of snow in Everett when I left - it wasn't until I drove 750 miles SOUTH that I saw any... and the daytime high temps were roughly the same as what I left. So much for getting away from the cold and snow. I dropped Steve off in the Hotel 6 we saw on the way to the one that Steve had reservations for... this one was in the wrong part of town I later discovered, but it was closer to Charlotte - maybe there's a reason it didn't come up on your online search Steve? Anyway, it proved to be incident free, although it wasn't close to any place to eat (the original place was, which we learned a few days later). I 'abandoned' Steve there and headed over to my brother's house about 25 minutes away. This left Steve with nothing to do but check wantlists and pull cards from his dupes boxes... some of you will benefit from this I'm sure I didn't exactly get off easy by going to my brother's house. It was going through a few changes and this weekend happened to be the one when they were replacing the wall to wall carpeting. Some heavy lifting was required during my stay there. Sunday morning I woke up early to pick up my friend Corey, who lived in SC. He had moved from Rock Hill (about 30 minutes away) to Greer, which I learned was a mere TWO HOURS AWAY. After the four hour round trip, I picked up my brother and Steve and we headed to the game. We all had a great time, except maybe for Corey, who was rooting for the Panthers... and I think my brother, who was simultaneously rooting for both teams. After the game, I dropped my brother off for some quality time with his wife and furniture moving. We all would've stayed to help out, but most of it was done - and we decided that Hooters was probably a better place to spend the evening :-) After stuffing ourselves full of wings and popcorn shrimp, we headed down to SC to drop off Corey. I left Steve at the Motel 6 and got back to my brother's house just in time to miss the last of the furniture moving. I left Monday morning and picked up Steve and drove a few miles south to the original Motel 6 we were going to stay at. This one was located next to a few restaraunts and right across the street from a large shopping mall that had a card shop (Smitty's) in it. The shop hosts a small 50 table show in the mall every month, but that wasn't going to be held until the following week :-( After settling into the room, we waited almost three minutes before hitting the card shop. It didn't yield a whole lot, since the store is somewhat unorganized and highly UV contaminated. Most of the stars are sorted alphabetically and not by year. The commons were in random numbered boxes (ie. 1967 Topps were in box #125, 1968 Topps were in box #458 and 71's were in box #12), but at least there was a catalog that helped you find what you were looking for. We made the guy working there pull out a dozen different boxes and probably didn't buy enough to warrant the amount of work we made him do - at least it wasn't busy. We wandered around an antique store afterwards, but didn't see anything reasonably priced (although Steve tried hard to chew the owner down for a few old non-sport cards I found). Monday evening: We fade in to see Steve and Ken holed up in a hotel room lit by a flickering laptop screen. Steve surfs online and drags up a multitude of wantlists as Ken sorts through a few hundred football cards. Steve calls out numbers and switches the list on the screen, calls out a few more numbers and finally just takes the rest of the pile and sets it aside as a starter set for someone else. I think just about anyone with late 70's footaball on their lists will get something in the mail soon... as well as anyone who was THINKING about late 70's football Maybe when I retire, I'll tour the country and do something like this from my portable card shop ;-) The real adventure was about to begin though. Tuesday: checked out of the hotel and headed right for Winston-Salem... well, not exactly DIRECTLY at it. After negotiating with my road map and my general sense of direction (and missing a couple exits), we made it to Season Ticket (Chandy's). Picture this: four or five 8 foot tables loaded with binders and monster boxes full of beat up oddball, old, new, sports and non-sports cards in no sensible order. Showcases filled with more expensive (and mostly older) cards ring the tables. The walls aound this are lined top to bottom with even more monster boxes filled with a random selection of (mostly UV) cards. As Steve walked in, he was heard to say "I'm in heaven." I'm sure if he had it his way, he'd still be there now sifting through all the stuff in there. As it was, after six solid hours of searching, I had a small pile to buy (about 50 cards) but Steve could only find about 1500 cards he liked. It was almost closing time and I was getting ready to pass out because I forgot to... um, EAT - yeah, that's what I hadn't done yet. I think John Collins showed up on his lunch break and I feel kinda bad that we barely looked up from the boxes to say hi, shake hands and hand him a few cards we picked out the night before. Hopefully we can meet up again for a little while longer ...and be a little more sociable After checking into the hotel, we headed out for a short drive to pick up yet another Papa John's pizza (which was now a staple during the trip). This Motel 6 was located next door to a gentlemen's club, but I didn't venture over there for a couple reasons - I was low on cash after visiting the shop and I had already planned that activity for Friday in PA Wed. AM we headed back to the shop to finish up buying the cards we picked out the day before. I spent a good amount of time burying my UV lists and spent most of what little remaining money I had with me. We then headed back to Silver Spring where we (surprise!) hit a few more wantlists and looked at some of Steve's collection. That night, we got to meet up with Rick Ellison after he was done with work. We headed over to a place that boasted over 500 different kinds of beer, so naturally I had a mixed drink :-) Once again, I didn't have to pay for my meal, as Rick (and the federal government) picked up the tab this time. THANKS RICK!! I should point out that Steve had been paying for most of the gas and all of the food on the trip so far. THANKS Thursday morning I said goodbye to Steve after what must've seemed like 5+ days of sitting next to him in a car. :-) The next stop on my trip was former OBC'er Joe Greco's house - a favorite of mine for many years and where I spend my Ft. Washington trips (as well as many other interstate journeys). Thursday I got to play some pick up basketball at the school where his son Jeffrey was having soccer practice, so I really enjoyed that (and didn't miss out on my weekly excercise, since I usually play on Wed. nights here). Friday was the main event - luxury boxes for the 76'ers game. What a sweet deal this was... all the food and drink you wanted, plus I'm led to believe there was a pro basketball game going on. Actually, I did take a break from eating to watch the Spurs lose to the home team. I had a blast at the game and just experiencing the whole thing. If I ever hit the lottery, I gotta get me one of these! After the game, we went to Pin-ups, where we xxx x xxxxx xx xxxxx xxxxx xxx x xxxxx xxx xx xxxxx. Needless to say, I didn't have any $1 bills after that. Saturday I decided to head out to see a movie. Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius. Anyone over 18 not admitted without a kid, so fortunately two of Jo's kids were in attendence. While we were looking for the cinema, we stumbled across a shopping mall that we thought the theatre was located inside. No movies, but there was a three day card show! After the film, we headed back and I walked around looking at UV cards that I didn't want to buy for an hour or so. That night, we headed over to Zern's - an antique mall/flea market/food court/auction house where I put in a few bids on cards. Sunday morning I made the final leg of my journey home. While it was good to be back home, I really enjoyed my week off. THANKS to Rick Ellison, John Collins and especially Steve Rittenberg and Joe Greco for making the week really special for me. Thanks also to anyone who's still reading way down here. (Wow!) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:35:16 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: OBC Directory - December, 9 1996 From: "Brett W. Domue" Here is the first OBC directory I could find since I joined (there was probably 1 earlier in October or November sitting on my sister's old computer down in PA which I was using when I originally joined the group...) Hope this adds some names... >To: alcazar@fox.nstn.ca, xb18@aol.com, xdrj@aol.com, jceru8600@aol.com, > xcip@aol.com, kiln116@ix.netcom.com, friar4@mail1.nai.net, > alcattle@aol.com, dcbbl@aol.com, curtisea@aol.com, mczape@aol.com, > xddx@aol.com, redsox3@ibm.net, chicod1@aol.com, xndx@aol.com, > webbing@rt66.com, tply@aol.com, scoops@the-spa.com, rfarr19@aol.com, > dftn@aol.com, glk@aol.com, kwg0@aol.com, jose88@voicenet.com, > binghmton4@aol.com, chackman@concentric.net, topgolf@aol.com, > ghart@headwaters.com, ghay1@aol.com, coachjph@aol.com, > cihii@aol.com, > dsh46@aol.com, johnjackson@worldnet.att.net, dfjulien@stlnet.com, > rkeating@juno.com, r6514@aol.com, todd08@juno.com, > dkolenda@surfnetinc.com, xgkx@aol.com, xblx@aol.com, wite3@aol.com, > klohse@trend1.com, playball33@aol.com, malsman@aol.com, > wmarvin@ic.waseca.mn.us, jedward@aol.com, len124@aol.com, > bzzmill@aol.com, jmmnt@mindspring.com, tigersgam@aol.com, > zxrm@aol.com, > hmorgan707@aol.com, cardclctor@aol.com, cjmdpi@main.goldengate.net, > rdn56@ipass.net, psps4@aol.com, rmperry@alpha.delta.edu, > toppsin59@aol.com, eagle68@visi.net, mattr613@aol.com, > msrangers@aol.com, chahta@juno.com, traderdoug@aol.com, > skeeter6@erols.com, sicx@aol.com, illini90@juno.com, > gocubs69@aol.com, > xbwx@aol.com, lrma70f@prodigy.com, xtrjmx@aol.com, > williamt@kic.or.jp, > txpoobah@aol.com, lzurawski@aol.com, okeedokee@pipeline.com, > yannigans@aol.com, skel@neonramp.com, yaz@evansville.net, > djj@earthlink.net, nyej@menominee.k12.mi.us, neilh@adam.com.au, > dnathan@tenet.edu, stephen.carter@multiflex.com, > dsosidka@postoffice.ptd.net, jetpackr@ny.frontier.comm.net, > m.mcgrail@telemedia.nl, geordie@cell2000.net >Subject: OBC Directory >X-Mailer: Juno 1.15 >From: ltipton@juno.com (Larry J Tipton) >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 1996 08:06:49 EST >OLD BASEBALL CARDS DIRECTORY >OBC Webpage http://www.oldbaseball.com >Carlos Alcazar 7/12/83 (alcazar@fox.nstn.ca) >webpage: http://fox.nstn.ca/~alcazar/news.html >2440 Bromsgrove Rd Unit 144 >Mississauga, Ontario, Canada >L5J 4J7 >70s baseball. >Mark Atnip (xb18@aol.com) >600 N. Lilac Drive #315 >Golden Valley, MN 55422 >Pre war sets in less than VG. >John Ball III 8/5/54(xdrj@aol.com) >205 East Stanford >P.O. Box 1411 >Bartow, FL 33830 >941.533.3839 (FAX) >'56-'67 Topps, '61 Golden Press, '64 Topps Stand Ups, Phillies. >Geordie Calvert 10/4/66(geordie@cell2000.net) >5327 Sherwood Ct >Merced, CA 95340 >Pre '66 Dodgers. >Stephen Carter 5/3/69(stephen.carter@multiflex.com) >4410 Toledo Ave North >Robbinsdale, MN 55422 >'60s baseball, '72 Topps. >Joe Cerullo 3/1/62 (jceru8600@aol.com) >12633 English Orchard Ct >Silver Spring, MD 20906 >Topps baseball 51-present, T206, 34 Goudeys. >Box 340546 >Milwaukee, WI 53234 >Dan Cipra 5/27/60 (xcip@aol.com) >317 Aladar >O'Fallon, IL 62269 >'60-'71 Topps sets. >Barry Clesh 9\15\64(kiln116@ix.netcom.com) >5577 Main Ave >North Ridgeville, OH 44039 >Gregory Conway 5/17/54 (yaz@evansville.net) >111 Wills Ave >Evansville, IN 47712 >'60s cards. >Bob Corvello (friar 4@ct1.nai.net) >42 Winston Drive >Washington Depot, CT 06794 >'50s and '60s baseball. >Al Cummings 4/2/52(alcattle@aol.com uyzt03a@prodigy.com) >519 NE 102nd St >Seattle, WA 98125-7417 >'75 Topps minis, '60 Topps, Ryan, Griffey, Thomas, Puckett, parallel >Rich Cummings 12/12/64 (dcbbl@aol.com) >1661 Pebble Beach Cir >Elgin, IL 60123 >Tom Curtis 7/7/54 (curtisea@aol.com) >2228 Roslyn Lane >Lakeland, FL 33813 >64 Topps. >Mike Czape (mczape@aol.com) >509 Hemlock Rd. >Jeffersonville, IN 47130 >Old HOF football. >Doug DeJong 8/17/60 (xddx@aol.com) >409 Williams St. >Cedar Hill, TX 75104 >Pre '75 Twins and HOF oddball, '68 and '69 Topps sets. >Wayne Delia 4/1/57(redsox3@ibm.net) >115 Montgomery Street >Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 >'39/'40 Playball, '52 Topps, type Cards, any Bowmans, old tobacco boxing, >schedules, Red Sox programs. >Richard Derby 2/28/47 (yannigans@aol.com) >29217 Center Ridge Road >Westlake, OH 44145 >Old Cleveland Indians, Milwaukee Braves. >Sal Domino 10/8/60(chicod1@aol.com) >webpage: http://members.aol.com/chicod1/chico.html >44 Cove Lane >Levittown, NY 11756 >Mets, '69 Topps, '75 Minis, 1970 Topps #712 Nolan Ryan. >Brett Domue 12/11/74 (okeedokee@pipeline.com) >205 Cedar Village Dr >York, PA 17402 >Pre war HOFers, '34 Goudey, '51 blue backs. >Neil Droogan (xndx@aol.com) >6 Smith St >Glen Head, NY 11545 >Pre '70 cards in VG or better. >Bill Ebbing 4/26/55 (webbing@rt66.com) >webpage: http://www.rt66.com/~webbing/wants.htm >4777 Tramway Blvd NE #602 >Albuquerque, NM 87111 >'55 Topps, '74-current Topps, Maddux. >Richard Ellison 5/24/51(tply@aol.com rellison@ix.netcom >webpage: http://members.gnn.com/tripleplay/mypage.html >34385 Dobson Way >Fremont, CA 94555 >Reds, Yankees, Giants, Angels, Braves, Brewers,baseball books, >Joel Emrick 6/27/48 (scoops@the-spa.com) >38 Leonard St >Leeds, MA 01053 >Duke Snider, Dodgers, Stu Miller, older non sports. >Bob Farrell 1/1/63(rfarr19@aol.com) >17 Mowry Avenue >Johnston, RI 02919 >Pre '73 baseball (I have all the rest!). >Dan Fisher 6/21/45 (dftn@aol.com) >Box 619 >Niota, TN 37826 >'53-'59 Topps >Joel Glickman (glk@aol.com) >833 Woodleigh Ave >Highland Park, IL 60035 >'60 '61 '62 '63 '64 '69 Topps and '63 Fleer. >Kent Goto 9/12/46 (kwg0@aol.com) >10 Elizabeth Dr. >Belleville, IL 62223-5047 >Topps sets '70-present, old Dodger and Cardinals team sets. >Joe Greco 9/29/65(jose88@voicenet.com) >webpage: www.voicenet.com/~jose88 >2505 Woodland Rd >Roslyn, PA >Home:215.659.8105 Work:610.834.4712 FAX:215.659.3555 >Phillies, oddball Schmidt/Carlton, '62 Salada coins, hockey cards esp. >Flyers, Warner Brothers/other >"real" cartoon merchandise. >Bruce Gregory 3/31/54(binghmton4@aol.com) >8 Camilla St. >Conklin, NY 13748 >Willie Mays, other Giants. >Chris Hackman 11/28/70(chackman@concentric.net) >webpage: www.netcom.com/~chackman/home.html >9250 Garrison St. >Westminster, CO 80021 >anything pre '75, Cardinals, oddballs, '58 Hires, '50s Redmans. >Mike Hair 4/20/52 (topgolf@aol.com) >827 Fuerte Court >Henderson, NV 89015 >'58-'66 Topps, '61-'63 Post, some newer. >George Hart (ghart@headwaters.com) >RR #4 >Markdale, Ontario NOC IHO >Blue Jays >George Hay 3/31/49(ghay1@aol.com) >1533 Abilene Drive >Mesquite, TX 75150-6048 >Pre-'70 Yankees; '54 Bowman Set; other early Bowman; Old Stars including >Banks, Cepeda, J. >Robinson, Campanella, Koufax, Clemente, and Pee Wee Reese; Pre-WW2 >John Heintzelman (coachjph@aol.com) >916 Somerset Dr >Janesville, WI 53546 >Pre 70 Cowboys Chargers Yanks Braves Bucks Celtics Phillies Colts. >Neil Holbrook 12/22/50 (neilh@adam.com.au) >P.O. Box 864 >Nairne, South Australia >Australia 5252 >Topps from 1957, Kelloggs 3d Super Stars, Nolan Ryan. >Curt Holmer 2/27/70 (cihii@aol.com) >2530 Worcester >West Bloomfield, MI 48323 >Pre war baseball and some FB/BB. >David Hornish 11/22/61(dsh46@aol.com) >313 30th Street >Lindenhurst, NY 11757 >Topps baseball cards and inserts 1965-1980, baseball tobacco type cards, >all Bowman and Topps type cards >through 1980, all Gum INC type cards, Duke Snider. >John Jackson(AOL: johnjackson@worldnet.att.net) >209 SE 205th Place >Gresham, OR 97030 >'61 '62 '66 Topps. >Doug Johnson 3/23/50 (djj@earthlink.net) >724 Stone Trail Drive >Flower Mound, TX 75028 >Brooklyn Dodgers, Koufax, pre '76 cards, books, magazines, odd ball >Doug Julien 4/3/52 (dfjulien@stlnet.com) >webpage: http://home.stlnet.com/~dfjulien/cards.html >8008 Carondelet Ave Suite 302 >St Louis, MO 63105 >'60 and '63 Topps. >Rick Keating 4/29/56 (rkeating@juno.com) >12004 Jacobson Ct. >Bridgeton, MO 63044 >54 56 60 65 71 72 73 74 75 Topps, Cardinals. >Ron Kingsbury (r6514@aol.com) >5 Coach Lane >Westwood, MA 02090 >'57-'72 baseball. >Todd Knowles 2/8/62(todd08@juno.com) >300 Al Drive >Belgrade, MT 59714 >Yaz, older Red Sox, '54 & '71 Topps, '54 Bowman, any and all Darold >Knowles and Dave McNally cards. >David Kolenda 12/01/50 (dkolenda@surfnetinc.com) >P.O. Box 4237 >Hammond, IN 46324 >Pre '72 baseball. >Greg Kuhn 6/67 (xgkx@aol.com) >311 Iola Drive >Louisville, KY 40207 >'57 Topps, pre 70 Reds, any food issues, pre 70 multi player cards. > Bill Lehuta 9/27/58 (xblx@aol.com) >7327 Koal Court >North Highlands, CA 95660 >'60-'70s baseball VG-EX, League Leaders, World Series, All Stars, Topps >Trophies, California Angels, >last cards of HOFers, '69 expansion teams. >Joshua Levine 11/28/71(wite3@aol.com) >12659 Cumpston Street >North Hollywood, CA 91607 >pre '73 Phillies, '71 Topps, pre '80 star cards in any condition. >Kevin Lohse(klohse@trend1.com) >P.O. Box 386 >2928 Hickory Drive >Worcester, PA 19490 >Dave Luciano 4/11/60(playball33@aol.com) >12815 Kingsway Dr >Chester Twp, OH 44026 >'13 Fatima team cards, '50 Bowman, '64 standups, '64 '71 '73 '74 '75 >Topps, game used stuff. >Bill Malson 12/26/51(malsman@aol.com) >2341 Donner St NW >North Canton, OH 44720 >'59-'62 sets, pre-67 Indians. >Bob MacDonald 10/8/46(jetpackr@ny.frontiercomm.net) >RD1 Box 416A >Middletown, NY 10940 >50s & 60s Mil Braves, Mets, old Yankees, old Dodgers. >Bill "Bent Corners" Marvin 4/29/53 (wmarvin@ic.waseca.mn.us) >610 4th Ave NE >Waseca, MN 56093 >Pre 70 baseball, 64-67 Phil and 62 Topps football. >Michael McGrail 11/15/65(m.mcgrail@telemedia.nl) >Salland 4 >Huizen, The Netherlands 1274 KL >(phone#) +31.35.526.1628 >Roberto Clemente cards and memorabilia. >John McLaughlin 4/9/47(jedward@aol.com) >3788 Cherry Hill Ct. >Northwood, OH 43619 >'52-'84 Tigers, and Al Kaline/Norm Cash/Mark Fidrych. >Len Medeiros 1/24/52(len124@aol.com) >1804 N.W. 9th Avenue >Homestead, FL 33030 >'59-'69 and '73 Topps baseball, '69 Topps football. >Bob Miller 1/23/48(bzzmill@aol.com) >249 Pearl Dr >Livermore, CA 94550 >Any Giants cards in any condition, any Cal Ripken cards even UVcoated, >'57 and '67 Topps baseball. >Jim Montgomery 8/26/50(jmmnt@mindspring.com) >webpage: http://www.mindspring.com/~jmmnt >8850 NW 79 Ave >Miami, FL 33166 >'52 '54 '56 '57 Topps sets any condition, '50-'52 Bowman EX+, '75 Topps >minis NM, first 3 cards of >Campanella, J/F/B Robinson, Ford, Reese, Mays, DiMaggio, Ruth,Musial, >Paige, Williams, Clemente, >Mantle EX+. >George Moore 1/29/43 (tigersgam@aol.com) >5489 Rutledge Road >Virginia Beach, VA 23464-7011 >'55-'68 Topps sets, '49-'51 Bowman and '51-'52 Tigers. >Robert Moore 7/28/62(zxrm@aol.com) >996 1/2 West Lucas >Beaumont, TX 77706 >'68 Topps, Chipper Jones. >Howard Morgan 10/17/39(hmorgan707@aol.com) >687 W Lancaster Ave >Wayne, PA 19087 >Phillies memorabilia, 1900-1954 sets, oddball stuff, Schmidt and Carlton, >'61 '62 '64 '67 Topps sets. >Ken Morganti 9/27/66 (cardclctor@aol.com) >41 Fuller St >Everett, MA 02149-4233 >'52-'69 Topps baseball. >Carl Mura (cjmdpi@main.goldengate.net) >12435 44th Place North >Plymouth, MN 55442 >early 20th century cards. >David Nathan 1/2/67 (dnathan@tenet.edu) >2323 McClendon >Houston, TX 77030-2021 >'64 & '71-'75 Topps sets, oddballs (coins, 3D cards, scratch offs, >Bob Neill 6/9/56(rdn56@ipass.net) >webpage: http://www.ipass.net/~rdn56/cereal.htm) >10705 Old Brook Court >Raliegh, NC 27614 >sets '48-'72, Post and Jello '61-'73, '63 Fleer, '53 Topps HI#s, sports >related cereal boxes. >John Nye 12/30/47 (nyej@menominee.k12.mi.us) >2507 Taylor St >Marinette, WI 54143 >'61-'66 baseball, Milwaukee Braves cards and memorabilia. >Paul Overby 3/29/57(psps4@aol.com) >7417 Richland Manor Drive >Pittsburgh, PA 15208 >Ron Perry 5/2/53 (rmperry@alpha.delta.edu) >P.O.Box 430 >Freeland, MI 48623 >Any and all pre 73 Tigers. >George Pizzo (toppsin59@aol.com) >35701 Gissing Place >Fremont, CA 94536 >Clete Boyer, Rocky Colavito, Brooklyn Dodgers, '59 '61 '72 '74Topps sets. >Jim Rogers 10/31/46 (eagle68@visi.net) >webpage: http://members.visi.net/~eagle68/cardlist.html >720 Plymouth Circle >Newport News, VA 23602 >50s-60s Topps. >Matt Rosen 1/29/54 (mattr613@aol.com) >518 Sycamore Terrace >DeWitt, NY 13214 >Topps baseball '59-'81 EX or better. >Mark Rosenman 4/27/60(msrangers@aol.com) >17 Barbera Rd >Commack, NY 11725 >'64-'67 baseball, '77 and '78 hockey. >Mark Shelton 6/28/58(chahta@juno.com) >webpage: http://free.websight.com/OShelton/ >P.O. Box 842 >Barnsdall, OK 74002 >'57 and '61 Topps, Mays, Spahn, Larsen, old beat up star cards. >C. Skelley 3/10/68 (skel@neonramp.com) >8538 Granville Pky #906 >LaVista, NE 68128 >Pre '76 sets. >Doug Smith 6/5/43(traderdoug@aol.com) >2306 Woodmoor Lane >Colleyville, TX 76034 >'48-'58 baseball cards. >Dave Sosidka 8/10/65(dsosidka@postoffice.ptd.net) >P.O. Box 5166 >Clinton, NJ 08809-0166 >'65-'95 Topps, player postcards '50-'96, Mets items, Rusty Staub items. >Bill Staffa 3/9/45(skeeter6@erols.com) >8705 Nanlee Drive >Springfield, VA 22152 >55 56 Topps, 55 Bowman, 54 Red Heart. >Larry Tipton 12/29/53(ltipton@juno.com) >Rt 2 Box 273-P >Hilliard, FL 32046 >Topps sets '52-'72 (exept '65 and '60), '55 Bowman, cards in any(yesANY) >Eric Vaituzis 8/26/63(sicx@aol.com) >19352 Sandy Lake Drive >Gaithersburg, MD 20879 >oddballs, '64 Topps standups, Post cereal football and baseball, pre '70 >inserts, food issues, publications, >comic books, non sportsets. >Geno Wagner 5/24/67 (illini90@juno.com) >104 Osprey Ct >Camden, DE 19934 >'51-'74 Topps,T205. >Tom Wagner(gocubs69@aol.com) >3728 N Magnolia #3 >Chicago, IL 60613 >Bill Walpert 11/9/48(xbwx@aol.com) >11972 Waywood Dr >Twinsburg, OH 44087 >Topps: '52 EX+/'53VG/'54NM+/'55EX+/'56EX+/'64EX+/'65EX+/'69NM+/'72NM+/'75 >'60EX+/'61EX+ Bowman '55EX+, old wrappers and wax packs. >Marshall West 1/31/52 (lrma70f@prodigy.com) >1521 Kays Creek Dr >Layton, UT 84040 >'58 Topps, '61-'61 Post, variations. >Jim Wiehe 9/13/61(xtrjmx@aol.com) >5636 North 105th Plaza #4 >Omaha, NE 68134 >'61 Topps, Killebrew, Puckett, Twins and other sports teams from >Tom Williams 5/3/68 (williamt@kic.or.jp) >PSC 80 Box 13836 >APO AP 96367-3836 >68 Topps, Griffey Jr. >Terry Woods 11/26/47(txpoobah@aol.com) >1809 NW Loop 281 >Ste 100-171 >Longview TX 75604 >903.295.8382 or 903.759.7563 >"one timers"(players with one card) pre '75 sets. >Larry Zurawski 2/17 (lzurawski@aol.com) >25W071 Cape Rd. >Naperville, IL 60540 >Old cubs, '56 '62 Topps. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:27:00 EST Subject: Re: Info needed about "Official Pete Rose Baseball Card Set" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com This is all from memory as I can't find my clips for this set, but I believe the Rose set came out in 1985. It was sold as a set, not in packs and is still a $10 item or so as far as I know. I also believe, but have never been able to confirm, that topps did a smaller gaylord perry set a couple of years ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:37:35 EST Subject: vcbc To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com hey ho: has anyone recived a copy of the "Vintage and Classic Baseball Collector" since issue #29? It's been about 4 months since I got a new ish and since the publisher's wife died, I wonder if he threw in the towel. great mag, although not as good as it had been, before it was sold by the founder. ================= To: dsh46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] vcbc Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 22:42:01 -0500 From: abaran@perriergroup.com Word on the street is that #30 is at the printers. Andy Baran Midwest Regional Sales Manager (630) 435-9502 Ext. 506 (Office) (630) 988-3501 (Cell) (419) 715-2406 (Fax) -----Original Message----- From: dsh46@aol.com [mailto:dsh46@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 9:38 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vcbc hey ho: has anyone recived a copy of the "Vintage and Classic Baseball Collector" since issue #29? It's been about 4 months since I got a new ish and since the publisher's wife died, I wonder if he threw in the towel. great mag, although not as good as it had been, before it was sold by the founder. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 02:20:47 EST Subject: Old directories wanted... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: XTrJmx@aol.com Hi all... I've gone through the directories I've found so far and come up with a roster of 259 OBCers past and present. Below is the list, alphabetically organized, to date. Anyone running into another old directory that has names not contained here is urged to forward the old directory to me. While I have maintained records of virtually every e-mail since I joined (officially on September 9, 1994... just found the e-mail where Larry introduced me to the group!), I spaced out saving attachments (which is how Larry sent most of the first directories...). FYI, most of them are titled OBCDIR, if that helps anyone searching for titles on an old machine. Take care and thanks for any input... this is a great project! CURRENT MASTER LIST OF OBC MEMBERS AND EX-MEMBERS: Soren Agard Carlos Alcazar George Altemose Lorin Anderson Dave Andrews William Atkinson Mark Atnip Dan Austin Al Autry John Ball III Andy Baran Bruce Barnard Bill Beaman Jim Beauchemin Pete Brito Greg Buscemi Geordie Calvert Randy Carroll Stephen Carter Joe Cerullo Brad Chambers Jonathan Chapman John Ching Jr. Phil Chmielewski Yuk Chow Dan Cipra Barry Clesh Glenn Codere Daniel Coen Jerry Coker Chris Conley Gregory Conway Andy Cook James Cooper Bob Corvello Bob Courtney Sondra Craft Al Cummings Rich Cummings Joe Curley Tom Curtis Mike Czape Bob D'Angelo Beau Day Doug DeJong Wayne Delia Jeff Delott Richard Derby Mike Diamanti Terry Dietrick William Dilbert John Dillion Frank Dinola Ryan Distelrath Sal Domino Brett Domue Bob Donaldson Kurt Dragone(KC!) Shonn Draper Neil Droogan Joseph Duffy Bill Ebbing Scott Elkins Daryl Ellerbee Richard Ellison Joel Emrick George Evanoff Dave Fallen Bob Farrell Tony Feaster Rob Fester Dan Fisher Linda Fitak Robert Fitts Frank Foertschbeck Dennis Ford William Ford Frank Forest Brad Fox Stu Gash Ralph Genova Joel Glickman Matthew Glidden John Godfrey Ignacio Gonzalez Kent Goto David Gough Joe Greco Erik Greenwood Bruce Gregory Randy Griffin Terry Grossberg Chris Hackman Mike Hair John Harrell George Hart Jim Hatch John Hathcock Brock Hattox George Hay John Heintzelman George Hewitt Walter Hitchcock Steve Hitzeman Neil Holbrook Curt Holmer David Hornish Tim Horton Jeff Isaacson Peter Iversen John Jackson Artie Johnson Doug Johnson Jeffrey Johnson Doug Julien Jim Kalina Mike Kane Rick Keating Leonard Kelly Dave Keough Andy Kimball Paul King Ron Kingsbury Mike Kinney Todd Knowles David Kolenda Greg Kuhn Emil P. Kushner Jr. Chris Ladas Bob Leach Bill Lehuta Keith Lenhart Joshua Levine William Levy Dennis Linden Brian Lindholme Bill List Kevin Lohse Dave Luciano Guisela Luster Ray Luurs Bob MacDonald John MacDonald Mark Macrae Dan Majcher Bill Malson Dan Manning Kevin Martens Bill "B. C." Marvin Mike McCrary Matthew McCright Sean McGowan Michael McGrail John McLaughlin Len Medeiros Enrique Medina Don Metz Bob Miller Greg Miller Lynn Miller James Moleta Jim Montgomery George Moore Robert Moore Howard Morgan Ken Morganti Dan Morrill Michael Morrison Carl Mura David Nathan Bob Neill Tim Newcomb John Nye Kevin Oneill Dave Ostroff Paul Overby A.J.(Artie) Owens Chuck Paris Jimmy Parker Fred Parrow Gary Pearce Jim Pearce Ron Perry Robert W. Pigeon Ed Pike George Pizzo Kent Pool David Purdam Dat Quach Grant Rainsley Roger Raum Rick Redpath Bob Reed William Reed Mike Rich Steve Rittenberg Larry Ritter Richard Robinson Jim Rogers Matt Rosen Mark Rosenman Jim Russo Jeff Sackmann Sam Saletta Bob Saxton Bob Schaub Ed Schott Rick Scogland Robert Sells Mark Shafer Mark Shelton Matt Shirley Jim Silva Steve Simms Jeff Sinclair Chuck Skelley David Skoglund Doug Smith Dave Sosidka Dan St. Clair Bill Staffa Rex Stahlman Mark Staller Steve Steinlicht Paul Stenshoel John E. Storman Greg Strobel Keith Summers Rick Svetecz Pat Sweeney Mark S. Talbot Steve Tas Ryan Tewell Frank Thomas Neal Thomas Victor Timmons Larry Tipton Jim Tomlinson Dale Towne Eric Vaituzis Jeri Vaughn George Vrechek Geno Wagner Tom Wagner Art Wainwright Bill Walpert Al Way Bob Wells Marshall West Jim Wiehe Michael Wierzbicki Tom Williams Kevin Wolf Bill Wolpmann Terry Woods Mac Wubben Bryan Yorkton Mark Zentkovich Larry Zurawski ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 07:19:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Erv Palica?? To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com One answer to your question, Linda, is that Erv Palica is the answer to this item of trivia: "Name a baseball player from the late '40s and early '50s who played nine years in the majors but had only five baseball cards issued." In addition to our '52 Topps card, there are '51, '52, and '55 Bowman cards (the '55 Bowman is with and without a "traded" line), and, then, for his final year in the majors, with the Orioles, a '56 Topps card. His best year was 1950 when he went 13-8 with the Dodgers. I bet there are a lot of Erv Palicas in our midst ... a guy who toiled in relative obscurity for 8-9 years and who was so forgettable they even forgot to put his picture on a card for almost half of his big league career. I know that one among us collects "one card wonders." Does anyone know of any other Erv Palicas? Thanks for raising the question, Linda. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 12:39:33 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Erv Palica?? To: Jocraig@aol.com, Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mma3026559@aol.com Yoy missed a few Erv Palica cards. Erv was in the 1961 Union Oil set, had two cards in the 1961 Seattle Popcorn set & the rare 1960 Henry House set. Erv's brother Ambrose (Bo) also played in the PCL & is on a few cards. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: forgotten offering Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:14:06 -0800 From: "John Collins" I had told somebody who had asked the other day that I had a few available 57's left from the Sunday waiver wire post that they could have. I forget who I told that to, and deleted the e-mail accidentaly. So, if you were that person and can use the following 57's, please speak up: 91, 116, 153, 177, 195, 202. Also, 1959 #302 is available. ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Erv Palica?? Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:14:02 -0800 To: , , , From: "Erik Greenwood" Here is the list from Beckett's checklist: 1949 Dodgers Team Issue Erv Palica 17 1951 Bowman Erv Palica 189 1952 Topps Erv Palica 273 1954 New York Journal American Ervin Palica 13 1954-55 Orioles Postcards Erv Palica 40 1955 Bowman Erv Palica-(Without trade) 195A 1955 Bowman Erv Palica TR 195B 1956 Orioles Postcards Erv Palica 8 1956 Topps Erv Palica 206 1960 Henry House Wieners Erv Palica 21 1961 Seattle Popcorn Erv Palica 14 1961 Seattle Popcorn Ervin Palica 15 1961 Union Oil Erv Palica S7 1979 TCMA 50'S Erv Palica 233 1983 Topps Reprint 52 Erv Palica 273 1990 Dodgers Target Erv Palica 603 1991 Dodgers Rini Postcards 2 Erv Palica 8 1991 Orioles Crown Erv Palica 348 1995 Topps Archives Brooklyn Dodgers Erv Palica 16 1995 Topps Archives Brooklyn Dodgers Erv Palica 134 -----Original Message----- From: mma3026559@aol.com [mailto:mma3026559@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 9:40 AM To: Jocraig@aol.com; Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Erv Palica?? Yoy missed a few Erv Palica cards. Erv was in the 1961 Union Oil set, had two cards in the 1961 Seattle Popcorn set & the rare 1960 Henry House set. brother Ambrose (Bo) also played in the PCL & is on a few cards. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 13:35:47 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Erv Palica?? To: MMa3026559@aol.com, Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com Of course, you're right. I wasn't counting "post career" cards. But a point well taken. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Your Hobbit Name Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:14:53 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Steve Rittenberg suggested that I send this out to the group, as some of you might appreciate it. Steve's Hobbit Name turned out to be Podo Proudneck of Longbottom. I suggested to him that a more appropriate name might be Dropo Cardbinder of Your Hobbit Name Generator: http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/default.asp Glenn Codere (aka Posco Bumbleroot of Fair Downs) ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 16:48:39 -0500 (EST) To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name From: Neal Thomas I think you got the link mixed up with a "Your porn star name generator" name, since mine came out to: Olo Boffin of Needlehole I can hear the bad background music now!! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Date: 01/16/2002 09:14pm Steve Rittenberg suggested that I send this out to the group, as some of you might appreciate it. Steve's Hobbit Name turned out to be Podo Proudneck of Longbottom. I suggested to him that a more appropriate name might be Dropo Cardbinder of Your Hobbit Name Generator: http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/default.asp Glenn Codere (aka Posco Bumbleroot of Fair Downs) To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Hobbit Names (WAS:RE: [OBC-Thanks] today's thanks) Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:55:07 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Uh-oh. I hope I haven't started something we're all going to regret........ Pass the pipeweed. Glenn...oops, I mean Posco. -----Original Message----- From: amcook93@aol.com [mailto:amcook93@aol.com] Sent: 16 January 2002 21:45 To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Thanks] today's thanks Thanks to EARL KILBOURN for a six-pack of woodies! Thanks to GLENN CODERE for the hobbit page. I am now Podo Moss of Lake-by-Downs To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: pre-war Red Sox card checklist wanted Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 17:51:54 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I received Mike Wheat's catalog today. There was a bunch of pre-war cards in low grade so I thought I'd try to get a T207 Red Sox. For some of these sets, Mike lists the team but not for this one. He went through the stack while I was on the phone but couldn't find one. So I ended up with "Devore", a Giant I'm told. I'd like to figure out what Red Sox cards there are from that era. Can anyone help me with a source I can use or a database to consult? Andy Cook has offered to lend me his Lipset book. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Recommended dealers Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 18:54:19 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I don't remember the process for recommending dealers but here are my two cents. 1. Larry Kerrigan / ebay id Metallica50 / e-mail lorim@sympatico.ca Received an ebay box worth writing about -- ebay dealer Metallica50 (Larry Kerrigan), source of "2/3 of a '53 Mantle" told me he had some '74/75 OPC hockey. So I sent him my list. Didn't hear from him for a few days. Today I got a box of cards from him with a note asking him to "pay him what'sfair". He's always treated me great, either on ebay, at the National orthrough the mail. 2. Chandy Greenholt / e-mail chandyg@aol.com Chandy is the owner of the store in Winston-Salem that has no more cards after Ken and I cleaned them out last week. To those who attended National '01, I made sure everyone hit his table full of $1/$3/$5 boxes. He also has awesome deals available on ebay every week. I've found some great books and programs from his as well as cards. I hope this leads to great deals for others. ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] pre-war Red Sox card checklist wanted Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:15:21 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" You could use this link to look up the player by last name and see if he played for the Red Sox. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/mlb/all_time_stats/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg [mailto:srittenberg66@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 5:52 PM To: Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] pre-war Red Sox card checklist wanted I received Mike Wheat's catalog today. There was a bunch of pre-war cards in low grade so I thought I'd try to get a T207 Red Sox. For some of these sets, Mike lists the team but not for this one. He went through the stack while I was on the phone but couldn't find one. So I ended up with "Devore", a Giant I'm told. I'd like to figure out what Red Sox cards there are from that era. Can anyone help me with a source I can use or a database to consult? Andy Cook has offered to lend me his Lipset book. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 20:56:56 EST Subject: color variation help To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, prewartraders@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com Does anyone have a W514 #98 Jimmy Ring? I have two, one with a white face and red cheeks, and one with an even fleshtone. There are no other color differences between the cards. The difference is obvious holding the cards side by side at arms length. If anyone has this card, please let me know what color his face is. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:05:06 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] pre-war Red Sox card checklist wanted To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Be careful!!!! BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!! This is how it started for me...one t-206 bransfield (phila natl.)....then i asked for the major sets like 206,205,207,t3....and then more pre-war, and then more, and pretty soon 2 years of research, a drastic change in my vision and finances, a new appreciation for Bob Lemke, and 44 pages at a 10 point font later, I had the Phillies monster... so you have been warned... PS The T-207 Red Sox are: Bradley, Bushelman, Carrigan (two versions--one with a Wagner back, one with a Carrigan back), Ciccote, Engle, Gardener, Hageman, Hall, Henricksen, Hooper, Lewis, Nunamaker, O'Brien, Speaker, Thomas, Wagner (two versions--Carrigan back and Wagner back), Wood, and ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 22:01:34 EST Subject: Spring training news reels--shown on cable tv To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i got a 1953 Bowman color of Enos Slaughter from James Moleta today - and i have a question concerning the card- The backgound shows palm trees- So i suppose the picture was taken in spring training- Does anyone know where the Cardinals had spring training in 1953??i assume Florida BUT it might have been in Burbank California- Palm trees there too-and that picture might have even been taken in McCambridge Park-- also some time ago when me and my husband could afford cable- we had some kind of classic sports channel- i taped a bunch of home run derbys( fortunately 1 with Mantle and another with Mays) and i taped an old show on the 52 World Series-- Just before the show on the 52 World Series they showed a newsreel of all the teams at spring training in 1952 including identifying the cities. They showed the Browns training in Burbank California-i only saw a part of this though--and my husband who is from Glendale (Burbank is the next city) recognized the location of the film of them training was at McCambridge Park- he said it is the only place that had a baseball field in Burbank- even though my husband was born in 1951 he knows that is the only place in Burbank they could have trained- unfortunately i was just setting up the videotape to get the 52 world series and didn't get the newsreel on tape- does anyone have a tape of this spring training newsreel of the teams from 1952- ??i missed seeing part of it too- Was Satchel Paige with the Browns in 52?? He may be shown on the newsreel- my husband would love a tape of it because he went swimming many times in the pool at McCambridge park as a kid and played his YMCA baseball games in the baseball park there when he was 11,12,13- he would love to have a video tape of Satchel Paige pitching on the same pitchers mound he did in YMCA league 11 years later- i know that newsreel would have shown Paige because he was such a big name =and to see him at the Browns training camp in Burbank California where my husband grew up AND at McCambridge park baseball field would be special- tomorrow i have a teaching job at Burbank city hall at me and my husband are going to visit McCambridge park and the Baseball field- we also plan to eat at Fuddruckers hamburger place- the site of the last OBC west coast trading bash- i am also going to the Burbank City main Library and try to find out if they have any information of major league teams training there in the 1950's-Linda ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 21:49:49 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Since Grant Rainsley has volunteered to take over the directory, I think it is his duty and responsibility to run each of our names through the Hobbitt Name Generator and append the results to the directory. -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Codere" To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 1:14 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name > Steve Rittenberg suggested that I send this out to the group, as some of > might appreciate it. > Steve's Hobbit Name turned out to be Podo Proudneck of Longbottom. I > suggested to him that a more appropriate name might be Dropo Cardbinder of > Mantlecrease. > Your Hobbit Name Generator: > http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/default.asp > Glenn Codere > (aka Posco Bumbleroot of Fair Downs) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Mark Getty" , Subject: Anyone on Yahoo Messenger? Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 20:04:36 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Hey Folks! After nearly 19 months of messing around, and one HELL OF A LOT of frustration, I think I've finally got my webcam working through Yahoo!Messenger. What I need is someone remote to log in and try 'er out. If you're on Y!M, look me up. My Yahoo name is glenncodere (imaginative, or See you (literally) soon! ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:23:29 EST Subject: If you don't mind REALLY trimmed cards... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com ...some of this seller's auctions may be for you: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems& Look for those labeled "OFF GRADE." Many high dollar cards are available for a small fraction. The catch is that many of the cards have been reduced to a small fraction, exactly matching the size of 1948 Bowmans. Have fun! ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 18:00:27 -0600 To: 0ramblings , Subject: OBC LIVE From: Rick & Deb OBC Friends...the Montana "mennil-toss flykune" (FZ reference) TODD KNOWLES took time out from his rigorous training in Oklahoma City for a day-trip to Wichita. We hooked up and spent a few hours pouring though the treasures at Rock's Dugout. I think Todd scored pretty good...I'll let him tell you about the wonderful world of Rock's Dugout. Afterwards, we scarfed down some yummy soup and sammiches at Schlotzsky's...courtesy of the US Government. Then I got to corner Todd at The Kansas Phillies Phoundation (my basement) and badger him to view my Johnny Callison collection and other Phillies stuph. Todd was kind enough to leave some artifacts for enshrinement at the KPPh... ..a groovy phull-size Phillies pennant and 1935 Batter-up Jimmie Wilson!! We also got to squeeze in a special screening of the 1958 blockbuster short, "The White Sox Story", featuring Johnny Callison as the young phenom. It was really great to see Todd again. Maybe one of these days I'll get to trip up to Montana for a rendezvous at the fabled Dental Floss bush. Thanx...Rick Svetecz...The Biggest Phillies Fan in Kansas ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 19:05:56 EST Subject: Unknown sender To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I received an envelope in the mail today that was beat up pretty badly. There was no note inside, and I could not read the return address. It contained a 1960 Mike Lee. Does anyone know who sent it? Jeff D. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:24:59 EST Subject: Owing cards- To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi this is Linda- when i receive cards i try to return cards to the sender by checking over their want lists- sometimes i may not have anything at that time from the senders want list- if anyone who sent me cards think i owe them a few could you let me know and i will check over their want lists- also my work at macy's has picked up recently and i haven't had as much time to devote to want lists and i may have overlooked somebody- linda ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:42:54 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Actually the porn name generator is a formula.... Your first name is the name of your first dog. Your last name is the name of the street that you grew up on. Pat Sweeney (Champ Haxton) or Hob Grubb husband of Ornageblossom Grubb In a message dated 1/16/02 1:59:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, nthomas@pol.net > Subj:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name > Date:1/16/02 1:59:48 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:nthomas@pol.net > To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > Glenn- > I think you got the link mixed up with a "Your porn star name > generator" name, since mine came out to: > Olo Boffin of Needlehole > I can hear the bad background music now!! > Neal > ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- > Originally From: "Glenn Codere" > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name > Date: 01/16/2002 09:14pm > Steve Rittenberg suggested that I send this out to the group, as some > of you > might appreciate it. > Steve's Hobbit Name turned out to be Podo Proudneck of Longbottom. I > suggested to him that a more appropriate name might be Dropo > Cardbinder of > Mantlecrease. > Your Hobbit Name Generator: > http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/default.asp > Glenn Codere > (aka Posco Bumbleroot of Fair Downs) ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:43:56 EST Subject: Re: Your Hobbit Name To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/17/02 8:03:41 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << Since Grant Rainsley has volunteered to take over the directory, I think it is his duty and responsibility to run each of our names through the Hobbitt Name Generator and append the results to the directory. I think there was something lost in the translation of my hobbit name... Berilac Deepdelver of Brockenborings I think it should be more along the lines of: Boring Deepdelver of Longwind :-) Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 23:09:50 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name To: Sweendoger@aol.com, nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 1/17/02 10:44:48 PM Eastern Standard Time To: nthomas@pol.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:42:54 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 22:58:04 -0500 From: "John Collins" Variation on the porn name formula.... Your first name is the name of your dog Your last name is your mother's maiden name John Collins ("Spunky Fritz") ----- Original Message ----- From: Sweendoger@aol.com To: nthomas@pol.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Actually the porn name generator is a formula.... Your first name is the name of your first dog. Your last name is the name of the street that you grew up on. Pat Sweeney (Champ Haxton) or Hob Grubb husband of Ornageblossom Grubb In a message dated 1/16/02 1:59:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, nthomas@pol.net Subj:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Date:1/16/02 1:59:48 PM Pacific Standard Time Sent from the Internet I think you got the link mixed up with a "Your porn star name generator" name, since mine came out to: Olo Boffin of Needlehole I can hear the bad background music now!! ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: "Glenn Codere" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name Date: 01/16/2002 09:14pm Steve Rittenberg suggested that I send this out to the group, as some of you might appreciate it. Steve's Hobbit Name turned out to be Podo Proudneck of Longbottom. I suggested to him that a more appropriate name might be Dropo Cardbinder of Your Hobbit Name Generator: http://www.chriswetherell.com/hobbit/default.asp Glenn Codere (aka Posco Bumbleroot of Fair Downs) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Project review / progress / next steps Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 02:08:10 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Executive summary: Go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Wantlist/files/ and download a compressed file containing everyone's list. Expand the file and use Windows Find Files to see who needs "1952 Topps". No way to tell who needs #311. I will start creating a comprehensive wantlist index. LMK if you'd like tohelp. Long version that no one will read. To review, in order to make "card flying" more effective, I've broken the task down into distinct steps. (1) File grabber -- given that the names of files is static, Erik Greenwoodand I wrote a script to download all OBC wantlists, using a free program that Rick Redpath found online. It seems slow but that may be because the files are large (11 MB for the lists downloaded so far!). (1a) Check that the file list is comprehensive and that all files were loaded. (2) Converstion from html to text -- given the size of the files, I decidedto convert them all to text, again using a free program I found. (3) Uploading the files to the groups.yahoo.com/wantlists I've compressed the files and uploaded them to the space we have available for this purpose. File size < 1 MB. (4) Searching across wantlists. Its easier than I thought to search for "1952 Topps" across files. It can be done using the Windows find files command. The program searches line by line so there is no way to figure outwho needs that #311 from my dupes box. Potential next steps: (1) Create an index of wantlists. Can easily be done manually. I've already started. If you want to help, let me know. Only takes a few minutes to process each list. The important part is to catalog the information consistently across lists. (2) Parsing wantlists. Erik has been doing all the work here. Right now wantlists are accessed by name. Wouldn't it be great to have a database with *all* lists in it that you could sort by year? ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 21:43:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Availables - '51 Topps Redbacks From: "jimbo777777" Howdy folks, I won a small lot of '51 redbacks from ebay this week, just got 'em in. A couple of them are dupes, and are now available on the waiver wire. Caveat: they're not for the faint of heart, real beaters, significant creasing, but recognizable, and free to a good home. They are Wes Westrum and Eddie Stanky. Can anybody give a comfy binder spot to either of these? ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:56:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Your Hobbit Name To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com In a message dated 1/17/02 11:10:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, ChicoD1@aol.com > Somehow Mimo 17th Ave just wouldnt cut it in the porn world > Hey, its better than "Lady Myrtle" ================= To: Subject: marshall west Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:08:58 -0600 From: "Mark Zentkovich" does anyone have a new email address for him? this one bounced back to me: ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:06:03 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hobbit Name Generator From: Michael Wierzbicki Does the hobbit name-generator always work? Stanley Kowalski of Hoboken ================= To: Subject: New guys in the HOM Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:42:22 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Three additions to the Hall: Ryne Duren, chosen by John Collins Charlie Maxwell, chosen by the EEK (Earl) Gil McDougald, picked by Linda Fitak All worthy additions, and images have been sent to Dan for addition to the HOM site, along with some wonderful reasons why they were selected. Thanks to Dan for doing this as one of the last acts of our Webmaster. ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:11:45 EST Subject: Re: 53 bowman enos slaughter To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com i belive the cardinals were in st. petersburg in 1953--not 100% sure, but i think that was where they trained. ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 00:11:53 EST Subject: marshall's temp alternate email To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: ehpiii@aol.com Hi all- Talked to Marshall today and got an alternate email, marshall@claprosystems.com. He renewed, but still his domain name registration got pulled, and he is working to get it straightened out. Give this email a try for now and I'm sure he'll let us know when the old one is ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:06:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" I put in a minimum bid on: 1943 Major League Baseball Game N-Mint Item # 1062257224 I never thought I'd win it for the minimum, but with an hour to go, it looks like I will, unless I get sniped. I'm pretty psyched, I love games like this. I've never actually heard of this one, though. Has anybody? Comments or background would be appreciated. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 23:25:26 +0800 Subject: Topps Scoop Cards From: " john harrell" I've been a closet collector of the 54 Topps Scoop set for about 6 months and have about 1/3 of the set. Among the lots I've won are some cards with the black stripes still on them. Does anyone in the group have any suggestions on how to remove the stripes after 48 years without removing the picture beneath. You were originally supposed to scratch off the stripes (I remember doing that to many of them)but now everything comes off. Any suggestions? P.S. I've got a few dupes so let me know if your doing this set. ================= To: Subject: Dis 'n Dat Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 10:51:39 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" First, the amusing part- I have been watching the marketing strategies employed by some Ebay sellers, and some are really quite funny. I know you have all seen these, but think about them for a minute: Cards From Estate! (Aren't all of our cards from our Estate? We just aren't dead yet.) Deceased Father's Collection! (makes them more valuable I guess) 100 Different-some dupes! (beauty) Ex-Husband's Collection (Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, I guess.) U Need These! (How would he know that?) Score BB Cards-Very Rare! (yeah.) Private Collection! (Like ours are public or something?) Investment Lot of 2nd Year Upper Deck (Now, that's funny!) Guaranteed Unsearched, includes Rookies and Game-Used (Crystal ball?) Addendum: those little pop-up ads are really starting to bug me. Next: I just sent scans of the '62 Ruth tints to Steve....a couple are very hard to tell...if anyone else wants a scan of these before I wipe them out, just let me know. Finally: Maybe a fun idea? I have a couple of Sporting News papers from '61 and '62. Here's my thought-anyone want to try to get OBC into the Guinness Book with the record for the world's most travelled newspaper? It's already travelled from St. Louis to Vancouver. This would take a bit of work, I think you need to log the details somehow, and have a witness sign that you are telling the truth. I'll look into this if you guys want to do it. It would be a long project. You would of course be expected to read it before sending it on, and maybe even post a note about its progress, and something to the group about an article or ad that got your attention. I figure at the end of the line, it makes it's way back to me, we'll get a nice photo of it, and post it on the OBC site. This project would cost everyone who plays a couple of bucks in postage, and you would have to figure out who is farthest away from you, so it could rack up some Air Miles. Or do you want to just do it and skip Guinness? Or not do it at all? Your thoughts would be appreciated....could be fun. Good weekend to all...Grant ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 14:02:21 EST Subject: Need help finding rookie card of my HOM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i can't find the rookie card of my HOM candidate at any baseball card show or in any shop i go to in the Los Angeles area where i live -Could any OBCer who is a frequent baseball card show attendee or who travels around and goes to a lot of baseball card shops in the Mid West or East or anywhere else help me find Gil McDougald's 1952 topps card- if you can pick one up for around $5 i would be happy to reimburse you for it + postage- thanks, Linda ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help finding rookie card of my HOM Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 13:17:26 -0500 From: "John Collins" On Linda's note, if anybody has any rookie cards of my HOM nominee (Ryne Duren) that they don't want to keep, I am trying to amass as many of these cards as I can. His rookie is 1958 Topps #296. Usually this is a $10 or less card even in good shape on ebay. ----- Original Message ----- From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 2:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help finding rookie card of my HOM hi- this is Linda- i can't find the rookie card of my HOM candidate at any baseball card show or in any shop i go to in the Los Angeles area where i live -Could any OBCer who is a frequent baseball card show attendee or who travels around and goes to a lot of baseball card shops in the Mid West or East or anywhere else help me find Gil McDougald's 1952 topps card- if you can pick one up for around $5 i would be happy to reimburse you for it + postage- thanks, Linda To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:59:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1943 Major League Baseball Game From: "jimbo777777" Big time sniping on this one. I was winning at $39.95 until there was one minute left. Nobody else had even bid. Then two snipers went at it. They bid each other up to $103.50. I had my max set at $46. Wild! Good thing I didn't have my heart set on it! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Availables Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:21:52 -0500 From: "Donna Wells" 1974 Topps: 230 (perez), 257 1973 Topps: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 9 1972 Topps: 126, 132, 271, 327, 351 1971 Topps: 67, 70, 69 1968 opee chee: 67 ( a very clean NM C/L) 1962 Post 67 1976 Hostess: 18 bonds - bobby that is 1969 Topps: 438, 345, 135, 86, 72 1955 Topps: 141 I found a box with a bunch of 1981 Donruss anyone working on those? Bob w..... ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: bench rookie Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 16:44:37 -0500 From: "John Collins" Does it strike anybody else funny that Johnny Bench's rookie ('68 Topps #247) books for only about $125 in NM? I seem to remember back in the late 80's - early 90's the card was worth a good deal more than this. I know it is not part of any high number or tough series, but neither is Ryan's rookie (#177) and that card has a high book between $700-800 depending on whose guide you use. I can appreciate the fact that Ryan may be much more popular than Bench, but has it always been this way? Did Bench do something to fall out of collectors graces that I'm not aware of ? After all, he is still regarded by most as the greatest catcher who ever lived, am I wrong? Any light that could be shed on this subject would be appreciated. John C. Collins ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 18:46:36 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Trivia Questions From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, gang! Here are two more trivia questions from my baseball-facts-a-day calendar. Answers are at the bottom. Mike Wierzbicki 1) What player hit homeruns in back-to-back at bats, which were 20 months apart? 2) The major league record for doubles in a game is 4; the record for homeruns in a game is 4. Many players are tied for each record. However, only one player has done both. Who is it? 1) Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood hit a homerun in his last at bat on August 31, 1998. He then missed the 1999 season because of arm surgery. He homered in his first at bat of the 2000 season on May 2. 2) HOFer Ed Delahanty hit 4 homeruns on July 13, 1896; he hit 4 doubles on May 13, 1899. ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 01:16:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Detroit Tigers game From: "mikesportsfan" Assuming that Major League BB does NOT change its proposed schedule, I would like to organize an OBC trip to Comerica Park, together with an OBC swap session either before or after the game. I assume this would work best on a weekend, and since Saturday's are usually better than Sunday's for me, I have checked the Tiger's sked and have the following dates as possibilities: April 6 2:05 against Cleveland April 27 2:05 against Minnesota (if they fold this could be one of the last chances to see them) May 18 2:05 Texas and Juan Gone June 8 7:05 Philadlphia. Interleague plus a chance to get together before the game. June 29 7:05 Pittsburgh. See Philly comments above. July 13 7:05 Chisox July 20 7:05 Minnyhaha again August 10 7:05 Baltimore as hot as April 6 will be cold probably August 24 7:05 Oakland See Baltimore. Is this the week of the National. If so, count me out. August 31 7:05 Chisox Labor Day weekend. Sunday, Sept. 1 2:05 Chisox Labor Day weekend Monday Sept. 2 2:05 Chisox Labor Day Sept. 14 KC 2:05 Sept 21 Yanks. I have plans and cannot make it on this date. Anyone interested please LMK. Michigan OBCers I hope you can make it and I have room to house a few out of towners who may wish to join us. Please RSVP with comments to Mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Great book: American Tobacco Cards Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:34:59 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" This is a beautiful book. It covers all the major non-sport tobacco sets plus a few sport related ones, like the N28 set. Sets from T200 on are not included. I wanted to get a copy for Dave Fallen but he already has it. Its available at half.com now for $12, half the retail price. http://www.half.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid727367&domain_id1856&meta_id1 I have a copy in front of me so if you want any information about it beforeordering, let me know. ================= To: Subject: THANKS Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 15:43:03 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" The ole Friar sends in a 65 topps and a 50 bowman. Thanks Bob. E-bay knocks off a 51 Bowman, leaving that set down to one card ================= To: Subject: NEXT STOP: ATLANTA Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 20:15:10 -0600 From: "David Kolenda" Looks like the next stop on this world wide tour I've been on since Oct. will be Atlanta. It's part of the same project that sent me to L.A. Hope to meet up with some of guys from that area. Looks like I'll get intotown around the end of the month or the 1st week of Feb. Probally be therefor a week or 10 days. Let me know if time is available. I'll be leaving again tomorow and probally won't get to reply to e-mails until late in the week. David K I GOT UM, YOU NEED UM, YOU GET UM ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] bench rookie Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 02:18:01 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Ahhh..John, my friend, you are wrong. I can think of a number of contributors to this forum who will tell you that Bill Freehan was better! Glasgow, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: John Collins [mailto:jcollins12@triad.rr.com] Sent: 19 January 2002 21:45 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] bench rookie Does it strike anybody else funny that Johnny Bench's rookie ('68 Topps #247) books for only about $125 in NM? I seem to remember back in the late 80's - early 90's the card was worth a good deal more than this. I know it is not part of any high number or tough series, but neither is Ryan's rookie (#177) and that card has a high book between $700-800 depending on whose guide you use. I can appreciate the fact that Ryan may be much more popular than Bench, but has it always been this way? Did Bench do something to fall out of collectors graces that I'm not aware of ? After all, he is still regarded by most as the greatest catcher who ever lived, am I wrong? Any light that could be shed on this subject would be appreciated. John C. Collins To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: Subject: New album page sensation! Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 21:02:34 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" During my most recent sojourn through the aisles of Office Depot--a habit I have of going to office supply stores that I really can't explain--I discovered something very cool: 10 pocket sheets, manufactured to hold business cards, that house 1951-52 Bowmans perfectly! (They also hold E120-21s and cards of a similar size). Now our Bowmans don't have to rattle around in too-big 9-pockets, bouncing from edge to edge, losing their investment potential (ha ha) through excess corner wear. At my store these sheets go 10 for about $2.50, which is steeper than 9-pockets by the box-- but then who needs more than a few dozen. The item number is Avery 76009 . Avery also makes a two-pocket page (PP46H-10, 13406) which I've found useful in snugly holding cards just too large to fit in standard 4-pockets. Check 'em out! Cheers-- Tim ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New album page sensation! Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:28:12 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I found similar ones a couple years ago at Walmart. I think they were designed for telephone cards which might be useful for someone searching for them. These hold 8 cards per page. I'm still trying to find the new Ultra Pro 12 pocket pages (for 50 Bowmans) locally. I'd rather wait than pay $5 shipping for a $12 box. ----- Original Message ----- From: tim newcomb To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New album page sensation! During my most recent sojourn through the aisles of Office Depot--a habit I have of going to office supply stores that I really can't explain--I discovered something very cool: 10 pocket sheets, manufactured to hold business cards, that house 1951-52 Bowmans perfectly! (They also hold E120-21s and cards of a similar size). Now our Bowmans don't have to rattle around in too-big 9-pockets, bouncing from edge to edge, losing their investment potential (ha ha) through excess corner wear. At my store these sheets go 10 for about $2.50, which is steeper than 9-pockets by the box-- but then who needs more than a few dozen. The item number is Avery 76009 . Avery also makes a two-pocket page (PP46H-10, 13406) which I've found useful in snugly holding cards just too large to fit in standard 4-pockets. Check 'em out! Cheers-- Tim To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: frank thomas Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 04:08:33 From: "jeff sinclair" hey guys, since frank has no email listing i'm posting this to the group in the hopes that somebody can relay this story. while sorting some cards this evening my wife suzanne came across one of franks cards and told me that when she was a young girl she used to go to the house of a woman who was blind to keep her company. the woman claimed to have known frank and was a big fan of baseball. her name was viola collasimo (spelling?) and she lived in beechview (a suburb in the south hills of pittsburgh). don't know how they knew each other if at all but if so it really is a small world huh? Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 10:24:28 EST Subject: Did you ever get the feeling something just wasn't right? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jrhatchjr@aol.com Well, I did a couple of days ago. It started with a visit to a local card shop I haven't been to in at least 10 years. It's mostly a comic book store that also deals with UV stuff, but didn't think it would hurt to check it out anyway. Lo and behold they had a box of vintage baseball! It contained cards from mostly the early 1970's but did have cards going back to 1953. Most were overpriced, but I did manage to find some 1971 high numbers for short money. When I got home, I went through my checklist and put my cards into the set. However, I came across cards in my set that I hadn't deleted from my wantlist. I also came across one that I had deleted from my wantlist that wasn't in my set at all! This gave me a very uneasy feeling that my wantlists didn't accurately reflect my wants. So, this weekend I went through the Topps sets I am working on and went through every card in each set. Fortunately, I'm only I'm only working on eight Topps sets at the moment, so it wasn't too painful. Here's to hoping that this doesn't happen to you! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:26:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New E-mail Address From: "rexstahlman" To All, I finally broke down and got a cable modem!! How did I ever live without it?! Heres my new e-mail address: Just couldn't get away from that "enduroking" thing!! Rex Stahlman ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:50:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New album page sensation! To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sweendoger@aol.com ... remember that if those cheap sheets from Sam Walton are not "Acid-Free" they will have a tendency to change your entire collection into faded Tipton Gem-Mints. Of course, if that is your starting point, K-Mart has blue light specials all the time.... In a message dated 1/19/02 7:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time, srittenberg66@earthlink.net writes: > Subj:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New album page sensation! > Date:1/19/02 7:29:15 PM Pacific Standard Time > From:srittenberg66@earthlink.net > To:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet > I found similar ones a couple years ago at Walmart. I think they were > designed for telephone cards which might be useful for someone searching > for > them. These hold 8 cards per page. > I'm still trying to find the new Ultra Pro 12 pocket pages (for 50 Bowmans) > locally. I'd rather wait than pay $5 shipping for a $12 box. > Steve > ----- Original Message ----- > From: tim newcomb > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 10:02 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New album page sensation! > During my most recent sojourn through the aisles of Office Depot--a habit I > have of going to office supply stores that I really can't explain--I > discovered something very cool: > 10 pocket sheets, manufactured to hold business cards, that house 1951-52 > Bowmans perfectly! (They also hold E120-21s and cards of a similar size). > Now our Bowmans don't have to rattle around in too-big 9-pockets, bouncing > from edge to edge, losing their investment potential (ha ha) through excess > corner wear. At my store these sheets go 10 for about $2.50, which is > steeper than 9-pockets by the box-- but then who needs more than a few > dozen. The item number is Avery 76009 . > Avery also makes a two-pocket page (PP46H-10, 13406) which I've found > useful > in snugly holding cards just too large to fit in standard 4-pockets. > Check 'em out! > Cheers-- Tim ================= To: Subject: Baseball Trades Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:40:21 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" I ran across a great book at a used book sale. It is called "The Baseball Trade Register" and claims to have "every trade, sale, and free agent signing from 1900 on". It was published in 1984. As an example, I traced the activity for Grant Rainsley's HOM Billy Hoeft: May 2, 1959 Boston Red Sox P Billy Hoeft Traded to Detroit Tigers: P Dave Sisler & 2B Ted Lepcio Dec 15, 1962 San Francisco Giants P Billy Hoeft, P Jack Fisher, & C Jimmie Coker Traded to Baltimore Orioles: P Mike McCormick, P Stu Miller, C Joyhn Orsino Dec 3, 1963 Milwaukee Braves P Billy Hoeft, OF Felipe Alou, C Ed Bailey, & SS Ernie Bowman Traded to San Francisco Giants: C Del Crandall, P Bob Shaw, P Bob Hendley The book does not include signings of players who have been released from amajor league club. You can, however, guess at these by club movements notlisted in the trade register. In the case of Billy Hoeft, the following were not noted in the trade register, thus they probably reflect being dropped by one team and signing with another: Boston to Baltimore in 1959 Milwaulkee Braves to Chicago Cubs in 1965 Chicago Cubs to San Francisco Giants in 1966 Seems to me Grant could increase the size of his HOM binder by including cards for players Billy was traded for (or with). If anyone else would like me to trace the trades, sales, or free agent signings of their favorite player just let me know. -Dave Fallen ================= To: Subject: Trade Registry Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 11:44:16 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Dave, cool book, but must be missing some details. In the Boston/Baltimore trade Billy was traded even up for Jack Harshman. Years later, they met up, and Harshman said to Billy: "There was a trade...nothing for nothing." That really hurts. ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:40:29 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 260 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/20/02 2:23:38 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: A couple observations from this afternoon's digest: << Could any OBCer who is a frequent baseball card show attendee or who travels around and goes to a lot of baseball card shops in the Mid West or East or anywhere else help me find Gil McDougald's 1952 topps card- if you can pick one up for around $5 i would be happy to reimburse you for it + postage- thanks, Linda >> For those of you looking to pick up McDougald's 1952 Topps card for Linda, it's number 372. Also PLMK if the dealer has any other 52 Topps high numbers for around $5 and I'd be more than happy to double your money McDougald was one of the last 4 or 5 I needed for the 52T set. You might be interested to know that I finally found this one at Levi Bleam's table for closer to $50... or maybe you'd rather not know? <> I'm actually surprised it books for that much still. More recent players like Fisk, Piazza etc... have made some people forget about Bench. There's probably a few more examples of a player's card dropping after they retire and even after they get elected to the HOF. I remember Yaz RC's were three or four hundred bucks (especially around here) when I was growing up... until he retired, got elected to the Hall and subsequently dimissed by collectors everywhere. Now what's a Yaz RC go for on eBay now? about $50? My not so favorite example however is Bert Blyleven's 1971 RC, which I got for the bargain price of about $45 when I was collecting the set a few years ago (and he was still active and closing in on 300 wins)... The card is kinda nice looking, but now I can pick it up for $3 in the same shape. :-( TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:46:36 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Home Page From: Originaleek@webtv.net Hey all, Has anyone else noted that the OBC Home Page appears to have been disfigured? I'm not sure if it is visible to others, but when I log on, the word Excellence is blocked out with "Big Nasty We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 18:01:40 -0500 To: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Home Page From: Dan Austin It says "big, nasty creases!" This was done to please those who made comments about the "new" logo that went up earlier in the year. Don't worry, its just temporary! ;-) At 05:46 PM 1/20/02, you wrote: >Hey all, >Has anyone else noted that the OBC Home Page appears to have been >disfigured? I'm not sure if it is visible to others, but when I log on, >the word Excellence is blocked out with "Big Nasty >We keep what we give away! > EEK >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the >Yahoo! Terms of Service. Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 260 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 17:08:21 -0500 From: "John Collins" I agree with Ken's opinion of the Bench rookie now that I think about it. He is definitely right about the Yaz rookie and what happened to it. WhenI first started collecting cards, Yaz had only been retired a few years, and everyone knew when he would get into the hall. That was about a $400 card, and now even really nice ones only go for only about $150 tops. That is of course with the exception of a memoribilia store I went into outside of Fenway Park last year, where they had a VG copy of this card and about aVG example of Ted Williams' 1958 #1 card for which the owner wanted $600 apiece. Another example is the Ryan rookie. It has still maintained most of it's value ($700-800 card in NM condition today) but during Nolan's last years as a player ('92 and '93 imparticularly) the card was around $1200. Remember that this was before the era of professional grading had really set in, and nobody was letting this card go for cheap, even in lesser condition. Iremember a local dealer that had the card in about VG shape or less and still wanted $400-500 for it . We would scoff at that today. There was even a story that made national headlines where a boy walked into a card shopand took a Ryan rookie out of the hands of an unassuming part time clerk for $12, receiving a discount of $1188 from the intended price of 12 hundreddollars. That was a common price for that card in NM conditon back then.But today, how many times have you seen a Ryan RC go for that much moneyif it wasn't a PSA 8 or in some other rediculous professionally graded state? One other example of card value fluctuations (and then I promise to stop rambling) is Seaver's 1967 rookie. This is a card that has always held its value, probably because it is a difficult high number. In ex-mt or higher condition on ebay, this card always goes for more than $400, graded or ungraded. In my experience, the lesser grade copies of this card are doing today what Ryan's rookie did 10 years ago....you still can't get one for a bargin. (I know, I have been trying for awhile). A '67 Seaver in VG or less will still be in the $200 range....while it is fairly easy to get a Ryan RCin this shape for less than $100. To me this is just interesting becausethe cards book at about the same in NM. Hope everybody has had a good weekend, ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 260 In a message dated 1/20/02 2:23:38 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: A couple observations from this afternoon's digest: << Could any OBCer who is a frequent baseball card show attendee or who travels around and goes to a lot of baseball card shops in the Mid Westor East or anywhere else help me find Gil McDougald's 1952 topps card- if you can pick one up for around $5 i would be happy to reimburse you for it + postage- thanks, Linda >> For those of you looking to pick up McDougald's 1952 Topps card for Linda, it's number 372. Also PLMK if the dealer has any other 52 Topps high numbers for around $5 and I'd be more than happy to double your money McDougald was one of the last 4 or 5 I needed for the 52T set. You might be interested to know that I finally found this one at Levi Bleam's table for closer to $50... or maybe you'd rather not know? <> I'm actually surprised it books for that much still. More recent players like Fisk, Piazza etc... have made some people forget about Bench. There's probably a few more examples of a player's card dropping after they retire and even after they get elected to the HOF. I remember Yaz RC's were three four hundred bucks (especially around here) when I was growing up... until retired, got elected to the Hall and subsequently dimissed by collectors everywhere. Now what's a Yaz RC go for on eBay now? about $50? My not so favorite example however is Bert Blyleven's 1971 RC, which I got for the bargain price of about $45 when I was collecting the set a few years ago (and he was still active and closing in on 300 wins)... The card is kinda nice looking, but now I can pick it up for $3 in the same shape. :-( TAYL, Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 21:00:26 EST Subject: Card show 1/26 here in Rhode Island To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM LMK if you want to come. So far a couple of guys have indicated interest. The show should have plenty of VINTAGE stuff to be found. We can make plans to meet up or I can give you the easiest directions to get there. Let's get ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:31:02 +0800 Subject: Auburn Show From: " john harrell" I guess this is primarily directed toward the Georgia OBC crew although anyone is invited. There is a card show next weekend in Auburn (AL). I plan to go over early Saturday to look around and was wondering if anyone would like to join me. My dupes boxes are always ready to go on a moment's notice. Auburn usually has better shows than Montgomery and there are usually a few "vintage" dealers. Auburn is about an hour and a half from Atlanta right off I85. Let me know if you'd like to get together. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:49:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Digest Number 260 From: "yukchow" This brings back memories of late 80's to early 90's when I bought a lot of cards. I dug out my old logbook and found the following entry: Jan 2, 1990 bought a 67T Seaver RC and a 69T Bench from a seller at a show for $1200. He was asking $1100 and $150 for the Seaver and Bench, respectively. And these are 1990 dollars, ouch. Looking at some other entries and I believe it was not a good period to buy cards. Guess it's like the bull market then, a lot of the prices are at peak values, especially for some players. Other examples of what I paid: 69T Reggie for $350, 69T Seaver for $102, 68T Seaver for $95, 70T Rose for $70. To be fair, some players were cheaper like Ryan, (bought a 69T for $77, 72T for $40, 73T for $9) since he didn't throw his last two no- hitters yet. I should've and could've stocked up on his cards. So much for my foresight as an investor. Anyone want some Greg Jeffries RC, have some of those. --- In OBC-Ramblings@y..., "John Collins" wrote: > I agree with Ken's opinion of the Bench rookie now that I think about it. He is definitely right about the Yaz rookie and what happened to it. When I first started collecting cards, Yaz had only been retired a few years, and everyone knew when he would get into the hall. That was about a $400 card, and now even really nice ones only go for only about $150 tops. That is of course with the exception of a memoribilia store I went into outside of Fenway Park last year, where they had a VG copy of this card and about a VG example of Ted Williams' 1958 #1 card for which the owner wanted $600 > Another example is the Ryan rookie. It has still maintained most of it's value ($700-800 card in NM condition today) but during Nolan's last years as a player ('92 and '93 imparticularly) the card was around $1200. Remember that this was before the era of professional grading had really set in, and nobody was letting this card go for cheap, even in lesser condition. I remember a local dealer that had the card in about VG shape or less and still wanted $400-500 for it . We would scoff at that today. There was even a story that made national headlines where a boy walked into a card shop and took a Ryan rookie out of the hands of an unassuming part time clerk for $12, receiving a discount of $1188 from the intended price of 12 hundred dollars. That was a common price for that card in NM conditon back then. But today, how many times have you seen a Ryan RC go for that much money if it wasn't a PSA 8 or in some other rediculous professionally graded state? > One other example of card value fluctuations (and then I promise to stop rambling) is Seaver's 1967 rookie. This is a card that has always held its value, probably because it is a difficult high number. In ex-mt or higher condition on ebay, this card always goes for more than $400, graded or ungraded. In my experience, the lesser grade copies of this card are doing today what Ryan's rookie did 10 years ago....you still can't get one for a bargin. (I know, I have been trying for awhile). A '67 Seaver in VG or less will still be in the $200 range....while it is fairly easy to get a Ryan RC in this shape for less than $100. To me this is just interesting because the cards book at about the same in NM. > Hope everybody has had a good weekend, > John ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:41:22 EST Subject: wantlist--good news/bad news To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com First the good news: After another 6 months of research and reading I have updated my phillies wantlist...managed to remove some stuff from it too as i found out the players were not pictured as phillies... the bad news...added nearly 35 new sets incl some extremely tough regional (i.e. Van Huesen from the '50s) and pre-war (Allegheny Playing cards). If any one wants a copy of the current list it should be up on the website shortly but i could send an attachment if you so desire... ================= To: Subject: Anybody have extra T202 beaters? Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 23:39:27 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" I have a Mullin/Stanage/Wide Throw Saves Crawford I'd like to swap for a similar card. I need most of the set. Let me know-- ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Home Page Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 01:32:09 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" Big nasty creases! ...is what it says. Looks like the webmaster vacancy has produced some ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 4:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Home Page > Hey all, > Has anyone else noted that the OBC Home Page appears to have been > disfigured? I'm not sure if it is visible to others, but when I log on, > the word Excellence is blocked out with "Big Nasty > (unintelligible)". > We keep what we give away! > EEK > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:01:52 EST Subject: Trivia quiz; prize awaiting To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com THis quiz was from the December meeting of the Dick Wakefield fan club: a once a year meeting which pays tribute to the less than mediocre, but long career of Dick Wakefield. Greg Gross was our speaker, Prize to 1st completion: Players named after body parts: 1) Former Phillie Catcher: Barry ______ 2) Ex Cubs Pitcher, Bill __________ 3) HOF Pitcher: Rollie ___________ 4) Ex NY Yankee outfielder, "nickname" Selkirk 5) ex Dodger Pitcher, Ed ____________ 6) Ex White Sox outfielder, Walt No _____ Williams 7) Ex Giant Infielder; Jim Ray " ---------" 8) Lenny Dykstra a/k/a: " ____" 9) Leo " ---- ---" Durocher 10) Ernie Lombardi, The " ____" 11) Dodger pitcher: Joey "________" 12) Yankee Catcher, Bill __________ RETURN TO GRIZZLY A/K/A HMORGAN707@AOL.COM ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:16:58 EST Subject: another quiz; how I waste my time! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Name the pinch hitter or other leader 1) Had 150 Lifetime pinch hits ____________ 2) His biggest PH was in 1977, when; ______________________ 3) Nearing 150 PH in 2001 was _________________ 4) What do they have in common? Lefty O'Doul in 1932 and Bob Nieman in 1962? 5) 3 players with 50 HRs and 200 hits in a season: _________________, _________________, ________________ 6) Two men who have stolen a base in each of four decades: ______ and 7) Six Phillies to hit 32 or more homers in a season: 8) Played on more teams than Dick Littlefield (12) ______________________ 9) Batted 356 lifetime but never won a batting title? ______________________ 10) Who had the highest seasonal slugging average ever? _________________- ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:19:54 EST Subject: Blinked an eye and Bob Donaldson was back at me! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com Players named after body parts: 1) Former Phillie Catcher: Barry __Foote____ 2) Ex Cubs Pitcher, Bill __Hands________ 3) HOF Pitcher: Rollie ____Fingers_______ 4) Ex NY Yankee outfielder, "nickname" Selkirk Twinkle Toes 5) ex Dodger Pitcher, Ed ___Palmquist_________ 6) Ex White Sox outfielder, Walt NoNeck_____ Williams 7) Ex Giant Infielder; Jim Ray "Hart---------" 8) Lenny Dykstra a/k/a: "nails ____" 9) Leo "The Lip---- ---" Durocher 10) Ernie Lombardi, The " __Schnozz__" 11) Dodger pitcher: Joey "__Moeller______" 12) Yankee Catcher, Bill ____Dickey______ ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:23:43 EST Subject: with nEAL tHOMAS CLOSE UP HIS BEHIND! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com 1) Former Phillie Catcher: Barry __Foote____ 2) Ex Cubs Pitcher, Bill __Hands________ 3) HOF Pitcher: Rollie ____Fingers_______ 4) Ex NY Yankee outfielder, "nickname" Selkirk Twinkle Toes 5) ex Dodger Pitcher, Ed ___Palmquist_________ 6) Ex White Sox outfielder, Walt NoNeck_____ Williams 7) Ex Giant Infielder; Jim Ray "Hart---------" 8) Lenny Dykstra a/k/a: "nails ____" 9) Leo "The Lip---- ---" Durocher 10) Ernie Lombardi, The " __Schnozz__" 11) Dodger pitcher: Joey "__Moeller______" 12) Yankee Catcher, Bill ____Dickey______ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Inspired by Howard Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:28:53 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I went off to search for the answers to Howard's quiz and came across this from the Elysian Fields Quarterly. http://www.efqreview.com/NewFiles/v17n4/lastups.html The All-Time Worst Rhubarb By Mikhail Horowitz It all started when Al McBean beaned Ed Head. In the ensuing melee, Rollie Fingers chipped a couple of bones, and Ricky Bones mashed a few fingers; Elroy Face got kicked in the cock, and Pete LaCock took a nasty cut on the face. Bobby Wine smashed a bottle over Matt Batts, who took a swing at Danny Heep, who collapsed in one. Bill Hands broke his foot; Barry Foote fractured his hands. Enos Slaughter did nothing to stop the carnage. Jim Hearn had a heart attack; Jim Ray Hart sustained a hernia. As a consequence of multiple injuries, Don Gullett required throat surgery, Woody Held lost his grip, and Heinie Groh was permanently stunted. Bob Cain remains disabled, Ben Grieve is still weeping, and don't even ask what happened to Jermaine Dye. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:40:27 EST Subject: Neal Thomas the winner! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: HMorgan707@aol.com The judges say Ed Head is the correct answer! Congrads Neal! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: more ebay fun Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:38:18 -0500 From: "John Collins" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1065031939 Buy it now for $95? Ouch !! But hey, it is that ultra rare and elusive Bob Ross card....... John C. Collins ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:43:17 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] more ebay fun To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 1/21/2002 10:39:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: << http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1065031939 Buy it now for $95? Ouch !! But hey, it is that ultra rare and elusive Bob Ross card....... >> And only $8 shipping, this is a super bargain! ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:46:57 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dish TV From: Neal Thomas Hi all- I have been toying with the idea for getting Dish TV for awhile, and now our cable bill just increased again. I can get a free two-TV dish system, free installation, and 100 channels (including NESN!!!!! and all the FOX Sports channels)for $36/month. Does anyone have any input as to whether satellite TV is a good thing? What about local channels? Any other input? ================= To: 'Neal Thomas' , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this card really that tough? Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:47:03 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Yea that `67 Shannon card was a real bear for me. Must have taken me a couple years to find it. Did I mention that I refused to pay more than $3 for `67 HI numbers when I found them at the shows. It took me a while to find them at my price but guess what - The set is complete guys and I'm sure that I got about 20 - 25 HI numbered cards for the wad that this guy is willing to spend on this one card (and its not even MINT - sheees)!! GOT TO GO - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Neal Thomas [mailto:nthomas@pol.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:19 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this card really that tough? ..to be selling at greater than BV?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1053574472 To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: 'Glenn Codere' , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] an ebay question. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 15:14:07 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hi Glen and all, My two cents on resale of OBC stuff, DON'T DO IT!!! It's not right - if you need $$$ that bad send your dupe box to me (or I'm sure a number of other OBC'ers) and I will send you a fair price for your cards. Then I will send them out to other OBC'ers that need them. I buy a bunch of stuff on eBay as it is that is meant to upgrade and then fill my dupe box anyway so why not send a needy OBC brother (or Sister) the $$$, no difference to me. This idea of selling OBC stuff has to be rare though - I know that I have never encountered it. Of course it's been years since I have sold anything on eBay but I'm not discounting the possibility that I might not do it again. Well that's my comments!!! p.s. Now I don't want you guys wrapping up boxes of 1988 Dunross cards you can't give away and sending them to me, I only have so much room in the garage and I already have enough kindling for the fireplace this year - thank you. REGARDS -------------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere [mailto:glenn.codere@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:21 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] HNY!....and an ebay question. Hey everybody! Happy New year! Now that I've recovered from the usual overindulgences of a Scottish New Year celebration, I'm able to catch up with 3 days worth of e-mail messages! The discussions about the decline of card shops, and the subsequent growth of Ebay has been very interesting. Here's a question for those of you that buy via Ebay. How do you handle items that are being sold by fellow OBCers? I can think of a number of occasions over the past few years when I've seen items that I'm interested in being sold by OBCers. In general, though, I feel that I'm less inclined to bid for these items. I know that if I were selling something, and it was won by a fellow "brother in cardboard", I'd most likely just send the item and not really bother about payment. I would, however, hate to put anyone else in that situation. I am of course talking about items of a relatively low value. Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this card really that tough? Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 12:01:56 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Yea that `67 Shannon card was a real bear for me. Must have taken me a couple years to find it. Did I mention that I refused to pay more than $3 for `67 HI numbers when I found them at the shows. It took me a while to find them at my price but guess what - The set is complete guys and I'm sure that I got about 20 - 25 HI numbered cards for the wad that this guy is willing to spend on this one card (and its not even MINT - sheees)!! GOT TO GO - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Neal Thomas [mailto:nthomas@pol.net] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 5:19 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this card really that tough? ..to be selling at greater than BV?? http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1053574472 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: an eBay question Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:58:58 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hi Glen and all, My two cents on resale of OBC stuff, DON'T DO IT!!! It's not right - if you need $$$ that bad send your dupe box to me (or I'm sure a number of other OBC'ers) and I will send you a fair price for your cards. Then I will send them out to other OBC'ers that need them. I buy a bunch of stuff on eBay as it is that is meant to upgrade and then fill my dupe box anyway so why not send a needy OBC brother (or Sister) the $$$, no difference to me. This idea of selling OBC stuff has to be rare though - I know that I have never encountered it. Of course it's been years since I have sold anything on eBay but I'm not discounting the possibility that I might not do it again. Well that's my comments!!! p.s. Now I don't want you guys wrapping up boxes of 1988 Dunross cards you can't give away and sending them to me, I only have so much room in the garage and I already have enough kindling for the fireplace this year - thank you. REGARDS -------------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere [mailto:glenn.codere@ntlworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2002 10:21 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] HNY!....and an ebay question. Hey everybody! Happy New year! Now that I've recovered from the usual overindulgences of a Scottish New Year celebration, I'm able to catch up with 3 days worth of e-mail messages! The discussions about the decline of card shops, and the subsequent growth of Ebay has been very interesting. Here's a question for those of you that buy via Ebay. How do you handle items that are being sold by fellow OBCers? I can think of a number of occasions over the past few years when I've seen items that I'm interested in being sold by OBCers. In general, though, I feel that I'm less inclined to bid for these items. I know that if I were selling something, and it was won by a fellow "brother in cardboard", I'd most likely just send the item and not really bother about payment. I would, however, hate to put anyone else in that situation. I am of course talking about items of a relatively low value. Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Can you help with an Ebay Bid? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:49:04 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" 2 SEPARATE LOTS OF BASEBALL DIGESTS Once again, I call on the ranks of OBC to help me out with an Ebay bid. Neither of these 2 sellers take PayPal, so I need someone to operate on my behalf - preferably someone who has a PayPal account so that I can reimburse you easily. Not only would you need to pay for the items (if I win), you would also have to take delivery and forward them to me (neither dealer ships internationally). The upside is that whoever helps out is welcome to keep any dupes - and there's bound to be a lot!!! The first lot is 14 issues from 1965 to 1968. I need 10 of these. The dupes are Sep '65, Aug & Sep '66 and Sep '67. This lot finishes in about 5 hours, and I'm hoping to put in a $15 bid. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1064974828 The second lot is 105 issues (yep, you read that right!) from 1973 to 1997. This lot finishes in 2 days time, and I'd like to bid up to $32. The actual issues aren't listed but, once again, whoever helps out is welcome to keep any dupes from this lot. I already have a complete run from 1975 to 1986, so there's going to be quite a few there for somebody. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1065111637 I'll reimburse my helper for all costs - bids, shipping, and subsequent shipping to me here in Scotland. It's been a while since my BB Digest list took a hit. Anyone willing to be a hero, and get some great reading in the bargain? Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 03:29:54 +0800 Subject: Auburn show update From: " john harrell" Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:04:57 -0500 To: John Collins , Subject: Re: [VCT] ebayers who agree not to bid against each other From: Mark S Talbot Hello John, Since you asked let me offer my two cents worth. I have indicated to Keith and others that "I choose" not to bid against others in the eBay process. It is my belief that there are plenty of these pieces of cardboard for everyone. In fact, most of what I get on eBay gets sent to other people anyway. Therefore, if I recognize a bidders id as a fellow collector from VCT or OBC I will not bid the item up, thereby causing a fellow collector or me to otherwise pay more than we should have to. If I am desperate for a lot that has been bid on by a friend I have on occasion written that friend to determine the limit that my friend is prepared to go to acquire the lot and then wait it out to see if they will be successful or not. I have often marked a lot with the "watch this item" marker and then looked at it just prior to closing to see if my fellow collector is still the high bidder. I have even been approached by fellow collectors that want a card or two out of a lot that I am bidding on and are willing to trade for them or help out with the expense of the lot. In essence, a win-win situation for the collectors. Let's not forget too that we are friends first and collectors somewhere less than first. I also want to keep the cost of collecting reasonable for my friends so I "choose" not to bid up my friends. Surely, I have made mistakes and done it but not willfully and try my best not to. Finally John, there is no written pact that says you can not bid against other VCT or OBC members it just a courtesy that some of us extend to one another. So how do you feel about the topic? Let us know? BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * John Collins wrote: > Just a question, and I'm not trying to rub anyone the wrong way, > but when have VCT or OBCers ever agreed not to bid against each > other on ebay? > I can see this kind of thing on maybe special items or cards > to complete sets, but in the big picture of things shouldn't > ebay auctions be fair game for everybody? > I know it isn't often that this scenario happens anyway, but > would be interested to find out the thoughts of others. > John > >--- Original Message --- > >From: keithsummers@webtv.net > >To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet) > >Date: 1/22/02 9:14:26 AM > > > >I just ordered 2 sets from Amazon in December. They have a > slight > >factory error in printing (off center & such) but for about > $6 a set > >plus P&H, I like them. The Negro league set is out of print > (I was > >hoping for Lonnie Summers but found out he only has 1 card & > it is not > >from that set). I highly recommend the Alphabetical Checklist > book to > >all. I will be ordering the 2002 SCD FootBall & Basketball > books in > >the next week (the best guides in the world) along with some > other card > >related books. In the past it allows me to send a 10% discount > to > >friends who must order within a week to get the 10% off on the > same > >books I ordered. If anyone wants me to send them the 10% off > discount > >email let me know < keithsummers@webtv.net > Amazon is at > >WWW.Amazon.com > > And while I have your attention, I have a web page with names > of > >ebayers from OBC & VCT who agree not to bid against each other. > >Several from this group are already on it. I will be publishing > it soon > >& if you'd like to be added let me know. It has been kind of > an > >unwritten rule in the past not to bid against other group members > but > >this will be a conclusive way to see who will honor the unwritten > rule > >of the past. Plus it'll be in alphabetical order by ebay user > ID for > >easy reference (keep a printed copy by your computer). Being > on the > >list could save you big $ on just one item where you otherwise > might not > >have been recognized by a fellow member. I heard one member > in 1 of the > >groups had been accidentally outbid by another over 40 times > last yr as > >he didn't realize he was a fellow member. I seriously don't > even > >remember their names but an apology was made. Of course the > money is > >lost. Sign up now (it's free) by sending your ebay user ID > (only 1 per > >person please) & real name, or no complaining later :-) BTW, > it > >includes all categories on ebay (cards, CDs, books, videos, > coins, etc). > >Bye now! > > > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >vct-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > >You may send e-mail to the entire group by using the following > e-mail address: vct@yahoogroups.com ================= Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [VCT] ebayers who agree not to bid against each other Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:59:18 -0800 To: From: "Erik Greenwood" I agree with Mark on this one, although I did outbid Mark once on some 79 OPC's :( I have been gradually recognizing ebay names as I use the directory more and more. I too use the "watch" technique to check if a OBC'er is still the high bidder. If he/she is, then I stay away from the auction. -----Original Message----- From: Mark S Talbot [mailto:talbot1@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:05 PM To: John Collins; VCT@YahooGroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, E Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [VCT] ebayers who agree not to bid against each other Hello John, Since you asked let me offer my two cents worth. I have indicated to Keith and others that "I choose" not to bid against others in the eBay process. It is my belief that there are plenty of these pieces of cardboard for everyone. In fact, most of what I get on eBay gets sent to other people anyway. Therefore, if I recognize a bidders id as a fellow collector from VCT or OBC I will not bid the item up, thereby causing a fellow collector or me to otherwise pay more than we should have to. If I am desperate for a lot that has been bid on by a friend I have on occasion written that friend to determine the limit that my friend is prepared to go to acquire the lot and then wait it out to see if they will be successful or not. I have often marked a lot with the "watch this item" marker and then looked at it just prior to closing to see if my fellow collector is still the high bidder. I have even been approached by fellow collectors that want a card or two out of a lot that I am bidding on and are willing to trade for them or help out with the expense of the lot. In essence, a win-win situation for the Let's not forget too that we are friends first and collectors somewhere less than first. I also want to keep the cost of collecting reasonable for my friends so I "choose" not to bid up my friends. Surely, I have made mistakes and done it but not willfully and try my best not to. Finally John, there is no written pact that says you can not bid against other VCT or OBC members it just a courtesy that some of us extend to one another. So how do you feel about the topic? Let us know? BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * John Collins wrote: Just a question, and I'm not trying to rub anyone the wrong way, but when have VCT or OBCers ever agreed not to bid against each other on ebay? I can see this kind of thing on maybe special items or cards to complete sets, but in the big picture of things shouldn't ebay auctions be fair game for everybody? I know it isn't often that this scenario happens anyway, but would be interested to find out the thoughts of others. >--- Original Message --- >From: keithsummers@webtv.net >To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet) >Date: 1/22/02 9:14:26 AM >I just ordered 2 sets from Amazon in December. They have a >factory error in printing (off center & such) but for about $6 a set >plus P&H, I like them. The Negro league set is out of print (I was >hoping for Lonnie Summers but found out he only has 1 card & it is not >from that set). I highly recommend the Alphabetical Checklist book to >all. I will be ordering the 2002 SCD FootBall & Basketball books in >the next week (the best guides in the world) along with some other card >related books. In the past it allows me to send a 10% discount >friends who must order within a week to get the 10% off on the >books I ordered. If anyone wants me to send them the 10% off >email let me know < keithsummers@webtv.net > Amazon is at > And while I have your attention, I have a web page with names >ebayers from OBC & VCT who agree not to bid against each other. >Several from this group are already on it. I will be publishing it soon >& if you'd like to be added let me know. It has been kind of >unwritten rule in the past not to bid against other group members >this will be a conclusive way to see who will honor the unwritten >of the past. Plus it'll be in alphabetical order by ebay user ID for >easy reference (keep a printed copy by your computer). Being on the >list could save you big $ on just one item where you otherwise might not >have been recognized by a fellow member. I heard one member in 1 of the >groups had been accidentally outbid by another over 40 times last yr as >he didn't realize he was a fellow member. I seriously don't >remember their names but an apology was made. Of course the money is >lost. Sign up now (it's free) by sending your ebay user ID (only 1 per >person please) & real name, or no complaining later :-) BTW, >includes all categories on ebay (cards, CDs, books, videos, coins, etc). >Bye now! >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >You may send e-mail to the entire group by using the following e-mail address: vct@yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor=09 [] . ================= To: "VCT" , Subject: ebay discussions Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:16:00 -0500 From: "John Collins" Hi everybody, I did not mean to suggest that I think all members of our groups should go out on ebay, look for auctions that other members are winning, and then laysniper for them in the bushes. I myself have never bid on an auction in which another member was already the high bidder. Like Mark and several others have mentioned, it is sometimes hard to tell exactly who somebody is just from their ebay handle. I am "Topps56" on ebay, but there are probablyplenty of you out there who didn't know that. On the other hand, some members have ebay handles that are very close to their names (Srittenberg) or are something else that you just can't forget (Squeezle?) I think it wouldbe a little bit easier if every once in awhile, we all took time out to look over the directories of our groups and maybe an ebay ID or AOL IM handlewill stick in your mind once in awhile. But back to the point .....if somebody is bidding on an obvious "OBC" quality item (like a '56 Clemente that has been tortured with fire and a BB gun..) then I think that a fellow member of the group should decline to bid outof courtesey if they happen upon that auction and find that another memberalready has the high bid. Like I mentioned to Mark however...if it is some other item, like a card that is high end or would just be expensive anyway (like a PSA Mantle or something....) and the bid is already "up there" then I see no harm in engaging in a little friendly bidding war if it turns out that way. But rest assured this problem will not arise often.....because out of the group I am about the only one I know (or the only one who hasadmitted) an occasional weakness for stupidly buying such things....... Have a good one, John C. Collins ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Subject: Thank you! Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:12:29 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Just a general word of thanks to those who offered to help me with my Ebay bids for 2 lots of BB Digest. I'm afraid Steve Rittenberg drew the short straw this time around. the good news is that I won the first lot (14 issues from the mid '60s), and I'm feeling reasonably confident about the second lot (105 issues - 1973-1997) which finishes in 2 days. Steve tells me that he has no intention of starting a collection of Digests, so for those of you who do there may be a few to go around. We'll have a better idea in a few weeks. Thanks again! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:23:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay discussions To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, vct@yahoogroups.com, From: Wite3@aol.com just as an aside... I was once outbid on a card by an obc member...he did this accidentally(did not remember my ebay id)...i found out because the said card showed up in my mailbox a week later...we both had a laugh about that...i generally do not outbid any friends and only bid when the high bidder is not one of us. but i do not get upset when someone outbids me...i feel that if they can afford to pay more, great...i will eventually find it for my price anyway... ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:21:53 -0500 (EST) To: vct@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay discussions From: Neal Thomas I agree, and I am glad your ebay name is obvious, since we seem to have the same tastes. In fact, the exact thing happened to me this weekend. Guru had a bid on a 66 McCovey, one of the few cards I still need to knock off this set. I watched this auction for days, waiting to see if he was outbid so I could jump in. At the end, he was sniped and I was too slow to respond, and the finishing price was less than what I was willing to pay. But there will be other 66 McCoveys, and there is only one Guru (or Erik, or "fill in the blank" The one time I seem to unknowingly outbid someone I know (whether OBC< VCT or OBC) is when I won a sellers auction, and I am running his other auctions and dropping some bids to save postage. Then I seem to get careless about checking the high bidder. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay discussions Date: 01/22/2002 06:23pm just as an aside... I was once outbid on a card by an obc member...he did this not remember my ebay id)...i found out because the said card showed up in my mailbox a week later...we both had a laugh about that...i generally do not outbid any friends and only bid when the high bidder is not one of us. but i do not get upset when someone outbids me...i feel that if they can afford to pay more, great...i will eventually find it for my price anyway... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: Subject: 1962 The Sporting News Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:40 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" I was a touch disappointed by the lack of response to the idea of the world's most travelled newspaper idea. Only about 8 guys answered that they had any interest, so it likely won't be impressive enough to go for a world record, but we'll have fun anyways. The issue about to make the rounds is August 25, 1962. I'll start it out on the journey this weekend. Of note is an ad for all Series of 1962 Topps BB cards, direct from Topps, only $2.50 per series. Wish I had bought about 10 of Series 6 and 7.....geez, back then the Canuck Buck was even worth more than a U.S. buck, I coulda done all right. Woulda, shoulda, coulda... ================= To: Subject: T202s? Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:03:03 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" Maybe you've seen this message already -- if so I apologize. But I never got it, and I suspect I've missed some other emails over the past few days. So I'm trying again-- I have a T202 Mullin/Stanage/Wide Throw Saves Crawford I'd like to swap for a similar card. I need most of the set. Let me know if a swap is ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:55:56 EST Subject: Re: Dish TV To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: WMDpks@aol.com Kelly and I suffered through limited-choice cable for about ten years; U.S. Cablevision had all sorts of opportunities to improve but didn't do anything except raise the rates. About a year and a half ago, we looked into getting Dish TV but the direction the receiver dish had to point (South-SW) was somehow obstructed. However, DirecTV was acceptable, had a pretty decent installation deal, so we took a deep breath and set up a three-receiver system (kids playroom for Cartoon Network, a receiver in the living room, and the third in our bedroom). Lately they've been showing commercials for DirecTV where people go absolutely crazy over getting satellite TV, and they ain't lying. It is that much of a lifestyle improvement. The picture clarity is wonderful. We got the standard top-100 channels with all sorts of new ones we never had before (like Court TV, TBS, HGTV, Oxygen, ESPN Classic, dozens of music channels which get a lot of use, many more channels). I ordered the sports package (a requirement from She Who Must Be Obeyed, to get Yankee games on MSG) which includes a lot of Fox Sports Net channels. This is a bit of a disappointment because they'll show you the sports teams in your area (for us it's the Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders, and Devils) but anything out of the local market is not shown. NESN schedules many Red Sox games but they just get blacked out when it's gametime. That's because they sell out-of-town MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA packages on the premium channels. For an extra $10 a month, the sports package keeps Kelly happy but I was pretty disappointed. Nationally broadcast games are still available. But overall we can't imagine ever going back to cable. The signal has kicked out on us for about twenty minutes at a time, but that only happened twice during severe rain or snow storms. And the first thing I saw on satellite, on ESPN Classic, was The Greatest College Basketball Game Ever Played, the 1998 (not 1992!) NCAA tournament quarterfinal between Duke and my beloved Kentucky Wildcats, won by UK after they were down 17 points with only eight and a half minutes to go. We also had a crystal-clear showing of "Rocky Horror Picture Show" in the background when some Mormons dropped in and got hammered in a religious discussion with me. That was pretty silly. Bottom line is - if you can swing it, go for it. It's the closest thing I've seen in a while to a genuine Got to go. Definitely eleven minutes to Wopner. "Wayne Man" Delia Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. I love baseball; it's my game." (Humphrey Bogart) ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:23:08 EST Subject: Dish TV To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com I would have to agree with what was said about dish TV. I have had it for about 5 years now and I frequently have to restrain myself from scoffing at those that still have cable. I don't know about other points of the country, but as for Oak Ridge TN is concerned... satellite is cheaper, clearer, and it has 10X more sports. I personally get the lowest level of service, plus the sports packages. It still costs the same. Is there a negative? Of course. I don't get to watch regis and cathy lee. (please note the scrcasm) More sports, better picture and cheaper? Gotta love it. Just a couple of notes.. the infamous "storm fade" that cable companies use as a negative has struck me 3 or 4 times over the 5 years I have had the system. The longest it lasted was about 4 minutes.. compare that to your cable ;) Biased, but in an honest way. ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:40:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I need help.. From: "kevin71058" Hi all, I received the following .."I have a David McNally 3d baseball card 1968 MLBP No. 59 of 75. What is this worth. I do not know what set this card is from and was hoping that the best vintage group on the net can lend me a hand so I can help this person ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:02:42 -0500 To: kevin71058 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need help.. From: Mark S Talbot Mystery Solved, The McNally card which is 3d and #59 of 75 is the............................ 1971 Kellogg's Cereal card of fireballer Dave!!!! Glad to help!!! I love those "oddball cards"!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * kevin71058 wrote: > Hi all, > I received the following .."I have a David McNally 3d baseball card > 1968 MLBP No. 59 of 75. What is this worth. > Thanks." > I do not know what set this card is from and was hoping that the best > vintage group on the net can lend me a hand so I can help this person > out. > Thanks, > Kev > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:06:04 EST Subject: Linda pushes the envelope To: , , From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, Linda Fitak really pushed the envelope with her latest offering -- what an eclectic selection. Start off with the neat assortment of old stamps on the envelope -- a 1957 Alexander Hamilton stamp, a 1946 Tennessee stamp commemorating 150 years of statehood, a 1957 stamp honoring the teachers of America, a 1950 stamp honoring the 150th anniversary of Washington, D.C.; and a 1958 stamp honoring the home of George Mason. Did I mention that she also sent cards? Linda found these for 25 cents apiece at a bookstore near her home. I am totally green with envy. She sends a 1955 Ray Jablonski, a 54 Bowman Jim Busby, a 54 Topps Paul Smith and a 58 Bob Nieman. Plus a few other goodies, including a Babe Ruth Classic set card, a pencil drawing of Ruth Etting, some UV stuff (of vintage players though), and one card of Tampa native Luis Gonzalez. Great stuff, Linda. Thanks! ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:02:45 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dish TV From: Neal Thomas Do you mean that even if I get NESN, I still need to pay for the Red SOx games, and other MLB games? If so, that may weigh into my decision a bit, since the main reason I am looking into this is to see the BoSox. ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: WMDpks@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dish TV Date: 01/22/2002 06:55pm Kelly and I suffered through limited-choice cable for about ten years; U.S. Cablevision had all sorts of opportunities to improve but didn't do except raise the rates. About a year and a half ago, we looked into Dish TV but the direction the receiver dish had to point (South-SW) somehow obstructed. However, DirecTV was acceptable, had a pretty installation deal, so we took a deep breath and set up a three- system (kids playroom for Cartoon Network, a receiver in the living room, and the third in our bedroom). Lately they've been showing commercials for DirecTV where people go absolutely crazy over getting satellite TV, and they ain't lying. It is that much of a lifestyle improvement. The picture clarity is wonderful. We got the standard top-100 channels with all sorts of new ones we never had (like Court TV, TBS, HGTV, Oxygen, ESPN Classic, dozens of music which get a lot of use, many more channels). I ordered the sports package (a requirement from She Who Must Be Obeyed, to get Yankee games on MSG) includes a lot of Fox Sports Net channels. This is a bit of a because they'll show you the sports teams in your area (for us it's Yankees, Mets, Knicks, Nets, Rangers, Islanders, and Devils) but anything out of the local market is not shown. NESN schedules many Red Sox games but they just get blacked out when it's gametime. That's because they sell out- MLB, NBA, NFL, NHL, and NCAA packages on the premium channels. For an $10 a month, the sports package keeps Kelly happy but I was pretty disappointed. Nationally broadcast games are still available. But overall we can't imagine ever going back to cable. The signal has kicked out on us for about twenty minutes at a time, but that only happened twice during rain or snow storms. And the first thing I saw on satellite, on ESPN was The Greatest College Basketball Game Ever Played, the 1998 (not NCAA tournament quarterfinal between Duke and my beloved Kentucky won by UK after they were down 17 points with only eight and a half to go. We also had a crystal-clear showing of "Rocky Horror Picture Show" in the background when some Mormons dropped in and got hammered in a discussion with me. That was pretty silly. Bottom line is - if you can swing it, go for it. It's the closest thing I've seen in a while to a Got to go. Definitely eleven minutes to Wopner. "Wayne Man" Delia Wayne Delia, WMDpks@aol.com Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College "A hot dog at the ballgame beats roast beef at the Ritz. I love baseball; it's my game." (Humphrey Bogart) ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/QBiolB/TM To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , "Neal Thomas" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dish TV Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:53:19 -0500 From: "galtemos" Hi Neal, Andy Rooney said that one should give his opinion in only two cases............if it is requested, or if it is a matter of life and death. I will consider this to be a request for my opinion. In my opinion, you should not get The Dish, and you should cancel your cable. I think that television is bad for you, and even worse for your kids. I think it wastes your time and dulls your brain. $36 per month is $432 per year, and the fee for The Dish is absolutely certain to increase exponentially in the coming years. If you invest this money in baseball cards instead of The Dish, in twenty years you can probably have a complete set of T205's and a near set of T206's. Furthermore, your kids will not be surly little couch potatoes, and might even be athletes or scholars. When I was a kid, television was free. If people stop paying for it, it will become free again. Thank you for requesting my opinion. > From: Neal Thomas > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dish TV > Date: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 10:46 AM > Hi all- > I have been toying with the idea for getting Dish TV for awhile, and > now our cable bill just increased again. I can get a free two-TV > dish system, free installation, and 100 channels (including NESN!!!!! > and all the FOX Sports channels)for $36/month. Does anyone have any > input as to whether satellite TV is a good thing? What about local > channels? Any other input? > Thanks, > Neal > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:59:34 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [VCT] ebayers who agree not to bid against each From: Mark S Talbot
It's Okay Erik - all is forgiven,

    I stopped rolling in my sleep over that outbid of yours just last week - I'm Okay now.  No longer
gashing my teeth.  I even stopped sticking pins in this beanie baby of a monkey that I masking taped the
word Greenwood on its forehead.  I don't even doodle the name ERIK on my scratch pad and violently
scribble it out anymore.  Piece of cake - no more animosity!!!  LOL  ;-)
    No really fellas (and a gal), I'm just kidding here - I mirror many of your thoughts.  If I get beat out its
no big deal cause I wasn't going to spend a bunch anyway on these cards.  I really don't loose a wink of
sleep over it, but I try to be considerate of my fellow collectors.  Here's another way to look at it.  Think of
the many times you've been at the bargain bin and grabbed something that the guy standing right next to
you is drooling over, a lot of times its a great ice breaker.  I might say something like "Hey buddy you
want this one, well sure you can have it - by the way did you spot a Norm Cash card in this pile".  Pretty
soon the two of you are smashing through the pile together helping each other out.  That has happened to
me a lot, how about you?  I remember one time in particular at a bargain bin - I uncovered a late `60's
Kaline card for a buck with a little writing on it and a kid standing right next to me was really eyeballing
that card on the top of my stack.  Well I bought the cards and turned to the kid and said hey kid "you like
Kaline" - the kid replied "yea he's my favorite "old" Tiger."  I handed him the card and still to this day
remember the smile on that kids face - I'll bet he still has that card (or he sold it with all his others for
college tuition like some people we know).  Well these Talbotesque rambles are probably making you all a
bit queasy so I'll get out a here.  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@home.com          

Erik Greenwood wrote:

 I agree with Mark on this one, although I did outbid Mark once on some 79 OPC's :( I have been gradually recognizing ebay names as I use the directory more and more.  I too use the "watch" technique to check if a OBC'er is still the high bidder.  If he/she is, then I stay away from the auction. Erik
-----Original
From: Mark S Talbot [mailto:talbot1@home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 2:05 PM
To: John Collins; VCT@YahooGroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, E WELL!!!
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [VCT] ebayers who agree not to bid against each other Hello John,

    Since you asked let me offer my two cents worth.  I have indicated to Keith and others that "I choose" not to bid against others in the eBay process.  It is my belief that there are plenty of these pieces of cardboard for everyone.  In fact, most of what I get on eBay gets sent to other people anyway.  Therefore, if I recognize a bidders id as a fellow collector from VCT or OBC I will not bid the item up, thereby causing a fellow collector or me to otherwise pay more than we should have to.
    If I am desperate for a lot that has been bid on by a friend I have on occasion written that friend to determine the limit that my friend is prepared to go to acquire the lot and then wait it out to see if they will be successful or not.  I have often marked a lot with the "watch this item" marker and then looked at it just prior to closing to see if my fellow collector is still the high bidder.  I have even been approached by fellow collectors that want a card or two out of a lot that I am bidding on and are willing to trade for them or help out with the expense of the lot.  In essence, a win-win situation for the collectors.
    Let's not forget too that we are friends first and collectors somewhere less than first.  I also want to keep the cost of collecting reasonable for my friends so I "choose" not to bid up my friends.  Surely, I have made mistakes and done it but not willfully and try my best not to.  Finally John, there is no written pact that says you can not bid against other VCT or OBC members it just a courtesy that some of us extend to one another.  So how do you feel about the topic?  Let us know?  BE WELL!!!

REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK

"Live long and prosper" - Spock
 *    Mark S. Talbot            
 *    34030 Chatsworth Drive    
 *    Sterling Heights, MI.      48312-4604   *
 *    talbot1@home.com          

John Collins wrote:

Just a question, and I'm not trying to rub anyone the wrong way,
but when have VCT or OBCers ever agreed not to bid against each
other on ebay?

I can see this kind of thing on maybe special items or cards
to complete sets, but in the big picture of things shouldn't
ebay auctions be fair game for everybody?

I know it isn't often that this scenario happens anyway, but
would be interested to find out the thoughts of others.

>--- Original Message ---
>From: keithsummers@webtv.net
>To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com (Chris Stufflestreet)
>Date: 1/22/02 9:14:26 AM

>I just ordered 2 sets from Amazon in December.  They have a
>factory error in printing (off center & such) but for about
$6 a set
>plus P&H, I like them.  The Negro league set is out of print
(I was
>hoping for Lonnie Summers but found out he only has 1 card &
it is not
>from that set).  I highly recommend the Alphabetical Checklist
book to
>all.   I will be ordering the 2002 SCD FootBall & Basketball
books in
>the next week (the best guides in the world) along with some
other card
>related books.  In the past it allows me to send a 10% discount
>friends who must order within a week to get the 10% off on the
>books I ordered.  If anyone wants me to send them the 10% off
>email let me know < keithsummers@webtv.net >  Amazon is at
>  And while I have your attention, I have a web page with names
>ebayers from OBC & VCT who agree not to bid against each other.
>Several from this group are already on it.  I will be publishing
it soon
>& if you'd like to be added let me know.  It has been kind
>unwritten rule in the past not to bid against other group members
>this will be a conclusive way to see who will honor the unwritten
>of the past.  Plus it'll be in alphabetical order by ebay user
ID for
>easy reference (keep a printed copy by your computer).  Being
on the
>list could save you big $ on just one item where you otherwise
might not
>have been recognized by a fellow member.  I heard one member
in 1 of the
>groups had been accidentally outbid by another over 40 times
last yr as
>he didn't realize he was a fellow member.   I seriously
>remember their names but an apology was made.  Of course the
money is
>lost.  Sign up now (it's free) by sending your ebay user ID
(only 1 per
>person please) & real name, or no complaining later :-) 
>includes all categories on ebay (cards, CDs, books, videos,
coins, etc).
>Bye now!
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================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:58:13 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Over the years, a number of OBCers have discussed whether to bid against other members on ebay. Many of us just back off when we see another OBCer bid on ebay. Of course, there always are cases in which we don't recognize the ebay username as that of another OBC member. There was one auction, about two years ago, when there were only four bids on a lot of off-grade 1950s cards--all four bids were from OBC members, none of whom recognized the others' ebay names! With large lots that have some highly desirable hits to my list, I email the other OBC member to see if they would be willing to split the lot. This has always led to a friendly response--exactly what we have come to expect from OBC. I guess I only want to suggest that members not snipe other OBCers bids. The group relationships are more important than any one bargain. Best wishes, Mike Wierzbicki ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:22:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stupidest thing I ever bought!!! From: Mark S Talbot Hey John, There's another good topic - the stupidest thing you ever bought. For me it was about 10 boxes of Dunross baseball cards in 1990 - cause man you just knew these thing were going to be worth something someday. I think the take was about $150 for those babies. Of course, by now you know that these babies make wonderful kindling in my fireplace and I am doing my part, fire after fire, to bring respectability back to these wonders by permanently taking them out of circulation. Who knows - 50 years from now they might be worth 2¢ a piece!!! Yes John - I know I'm guilty of a stupid purchase here and there. How about the rest of you guys (and a gal)? BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:20:23 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dish TV- the decision is easy To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- Dish TV Vs Cable is an easy decision in my case- i can't afford either one-i can't even afford the price of a movie ticket- i haven't been to a movie in years-My income has always been well below the Poverty level income for my area as determined by somebody - i don't know who though sets these figures-- -- in fact my family income is less than Half the Poverty level income for the Los Angeles area where i live- But i would like to know who it is that determines that the Poverty level income for a couple living in Los Angeles is $40 k a year- i have seen it published in the newspapers-( yes me and my husband can't even afford a newspaper subscription- i get day old ones out of the trash at a local park to read) but WHO comes up with this figure??? Linda ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: the stupidest ...... Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:28:40 -0500 From: "John Collins" How about the stupidest trade you ever made? Here's mine: When I was about 12 or 13 I traded a '61 Topps Mantle to one of my friends for an early "X-Men" comic book. I think it was like the 3rd or 4th issue,I'm not sure, but I do remember it was from the mid 60's. While the comic book was valuable, the Mantle card was no doubt more valuable, at least to me and I realized it pretty quickly. Also the fact that I have never really cared about or collected comic books had something to do with it. About 3 days later, I called the friend up and instituted a trading rule we used called "fair tradebacks" that either party could call within a week if they weren't satisfied with a trade. I got the Mantle back...but eventually traded it for something else down the road. I can't even remember what now. So, the copy I got a month or so ago to start my "current" '61 set with is actually my 2nd one. A nice feeling....to regret trading a card, and then finally get it back even if it is years later. Not to start another formal "poll", but what was your stupidest trade, either as a kid or as an adult? I would love to hear. John C. Collins ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:16:42 EST Subject: BIG NEWS for V02 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: topgolf@aol.com The Vegas eVents have grown over the past 7 years from an informal gathering to an almost organized gathering. Ever few year it seems as though a new tradition is added to the agenda. A few years ago the excuse breakfast was added to the golf tournament and the half rubber game at the ballpark at Fuerte Court (did I mention that my neighbor has a pool) is not to be missed. And let us not forget the soon to be tradition that came about at V01...closing ceremonies at Hooters. There is big news about happenings at V02. While it most likely become a yearly tradition, it is a very special event. I received a phone call last night from Rick Ellison with a big surprise -- he is going to marry Margaret, his companion of the last 15 years. While all the details have not been worked out, the wedding will be incorporated into the traditional "Official (as it gets) Schedule of Events". It will be a true May - December wedding as the elderly Ellison will be marrying the vibrant and much younger Margaret Kramer. Perhaps with the ring on the finger people will stop referring to her as his daughter. While I am very happy for these great friends, there is an element of profit motive in it for me. Margaret recently booked a trip for my wife and me, and sent her business card along with the package. While it is not her rookie card, it will be the her last card before the name change. I plan on getting her to autograph it and then sell it on Ebay. So, as well as the rib fest, excuse breakfast, golf tournament, baseball game, card shop visit and closing ceremonies, we will have this one time special event at V02! Make your plans now...May 17-20 Rest well, ================= To: grains@dccnet.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:52:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 The Sporting News From: Peter M Iversen I have been up to my ears at work and did not get a chance to let you know that I would LOVE to be added to the 1962 S[porting News read list - that was the year of my FAVORITE Dodger team - so I would love to see if the mag had anything to say about them... By the way - TODAY I received 1962 Topps #592 from an e-bay auction which all but finishes that set for me - All I need is the GREEN TINT variation of #119 - Danny Murphy...! After almost 40 years I am in the last On Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:36:40 -0800 "Grant Rainsley" > I was a touch disappointed by the lack of response to the idea of > the > world's most travelled newspaper idea. Only about 8 guys answered > that they > had any interest, so it likely won't be impressive enough to go for > a world > record, but we'll have fun anyways. > The issue about to make the rounds is August 25, 1962. I'll start it > out on > the journey this weekend. Of note is an ad for all Series of 1962 > Topps BB > cards, direct from Topps, only $2.50 per series. Wish I had bought > about 10 > of Series 6 and 7.....geez, back then the Canuck Buck was even worth > more > than a U.S. buck, I coulda done all right. Woulda, shoulda, > coulda... > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:10:56 EST Subject: Point pointing a childhood memory -- a really neat experience! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jocraig@aol.com Guys (and Linda), The other day I was talking with my 22-year-old son, showing him a couple of cards I received in the mail, and musing on what baseball was like in the "old days." I told him that I followed the American League when I was young and he asked what teams were in the American League "back then." I rattled off the following: New York, Cleveland, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington, Boston, St. Louis, and Detroit. He was shocked that I could remember them that fast and asked how I remembered them. I said when I was young I memorized them in the order in which they finished "that year." "What year was that?" he asked. I didn't know. So I went on-line and, lo and behold, I found what I was looking for. The year was 1952 (no other year from 1948-1955 fits the pattern) so it must have been either late 1952 or early 1953 when I memorized the team names. I was 7 years old. End of story. Thanks for reading. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alvin Soloway Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:19:00 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Has anyone ever bought cards from Alvin? I found a post of his on the OBC Message board, and was looking for feedback. His email is paddytable@hotmail.com. Please let me know - thanks! Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:40:18 EST Subject: AVAILABLES To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi-This is Linda- these cards are available for good homes- 1948 Leaf Football # 22- Steve "Big Boy" Van Buren-(when did you ever see a "little boy" play professional football?) 1973 Topps Basketball ( i assume the year is 73 because last stats on back of card are for 71-72) # 1- Wilt Chamberlain T206 - Stephens- St. Louis (EX condition- no creases) -giving this one away because i don't like how the player looks 1952 topps # 16 - low number black back- Gene Hermanski- (trimmed) 1952 topps # 208 - Marlin Stuart 1951 bowman # 114- Sam Zoldak 1952 bowman # 92- Edward Waitkus 1956 topps # 34- Wayne Terwilliger 1958 topps # 252- Bob Trowbridge Baseball Scoops # 403- Mazeroski's Homer Wins Series for Bucs ( try to guess why i am giving this one away-I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT!!!) 1968 topps deckle- Bob Gibson 1969 topps game- Al Kaline 1970 topps # 620 - Jim Perry 1956 topps # 220- Del Ennis 1952 topps # 72- Karl Olson-( Hey- my maiden name!!! Olson) low # red back 1950 bowman # 190 - Ken Wood- (EX - no creases- beautiful card) 1953 topps Brooklyn Dodger # 176 Don Hoak-( Who is Don Hoak????)- i know a lot of the Brooklyn Dodgers from their cards and seeing videos of 50's games but who is this guy?? 1951 topps Red Back # 28- Elmer Valo 1959 topps # 567- Del Crandall 1963 topps # 554- Hank Fischer 1952 topps # 69 - low # red back -Virgil Stallcup ================= To: Subject: Very interesting site Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:15:03 -0800 From: "yaz" Got a little time to spare? You won't want to quit reading these. http://www.retrosheet.org/strange.htm greg (yaz) ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: oh, ebay Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 23:26:49 -0500 From: "John Collins" Maybe I just have too much time on my hands, but recently a select few ebaysellers and their unbelievable ignorance / misinformation / stupidity whenit comes to baseball cards has been quite amusing to me. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1800005403 I'm sure you all will find the buy-it-now price to be very reasonable for this "1974" Nolan Ryan card which is "autographed" and very "rare" (worth "$1200" in sports collecting circles........) I had a good chuckle, John C. Collins ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 01:27:30 EST Subject: Availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi-This is Linda- these cards are available for good homes- 1948 Leaf Football # 22- Steve "Big Boy" Van Buren-(when did you ever see a "little boy" play professional football?) 1973 Topps Basketball ( i assume the year is 73 because last stats on back of card are for 71-72) # 1- Wilt Chamberlain T206 - Stephens- St. Louis (EX condition- no creases) -giving this one away because i don't like how the player looks 1952 topps # 16 - low number black back- Gene Hermanski- (trimmed) 1952 topps # 208 - Marlin Stuart 1951 bowman # 114- Sam Zoldak 1952 bowman # 92- Edward Waitkus 1956 topps # 34- Wayne Terwilliger 1958 topps # 252- Bob Trowbridge Baseball Scoops # 403- Mazeroski's Homer Wins Series for Bucs ( try to guess why i am giving this one away-I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT!!!) 1968 topps deckle- Bob Gibson 1969 topps game- Al Kaline 1970 topps # 620 - Jim Perry 1956 topps # 220- Del Ennis 1952 topps # 72- Karl Olson-( Hey- my maiden name!!! Olson) low # red back 1950 bowman # 190 - Ken Wood- (EX - no creases- beautiful card) 1953 topps Brooklyn Dodger # 176 Don Hoak-( Who is Don Hoak????)- i know a lot of the Brooklyn Dodgers from their cards and seeing videos of 50's games but who is this guy?? 1951 topps Red Back # 28- Elmer Valo 1959 topps # 567- Del Crandall 1963 topps # 554- Hank Fischer 1952 topps # 69 - low # red back -Virgil Stallcup ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "OweBC" Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 07:26:28 -0800 From: "John Collins" Hi all: Lately I have been getting that feeling that I'm sure all of us get quite frequently in this group: the mailbox has been leaning every day when you get home, and you have been absolutely buried in an avalanche of cardboard from others. Isn't it wonderful? Just wanted to take time to say that I appreciate all of the hits I have gotten lately, and the generosity of all of you out there in cardboard land. I realize that I owe quite a few of you at the moment, and wanted to let you know that I am working toward solving the inequity....one wantlist at a time. It may take awhile, but wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten. Thanks for bearing with me. Thanks OBC ! ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "OweBC" Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 08:45:31 -0800 From: "Geno Wagner" John -- I know what you mean - there are guys that I have been trying to pay back since 1995! I figure I'll get them eventually... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Collins" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] "OweBC" > Hi all: > Lately I have been getting that feeling that I'm sure all of > us get quite frequently in this group: the mailbox has been > leaning every day when you get home, and you have been absolutely > buried in an avalanche of cardboard from others. Isn't it wonderful? > Just wanted to take time to say that I appreciate all of the > hits I have gotten lately, and the generosity of all of you out > there in cardboard land. I realize that I owe quite a few of > you at the moment, and wanted to let you know that I am working > toward solving the inequity....one wantlist at a time. It may > take awhile, but wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten. > Thanks for bearing with me. > Thanks OBC ! > John > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: My trip--and a recommendation Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 11:09:39 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Now that I've been back for a week and fully recovered, I can fill you in on my trip to Uncle Homer (Oklahoma to my then 4-year old on my trip there in 1998). Apart from attending classes during the day, I was able to search out a few card shops in the Oklahoma CIty area, and actually found a couple OBC friendly shops. Picked up a passel of 62s and 69s for around 40 cents a card and most were ex or better! Another shop had some Tipton 54s that I needed and they were also heavily discounted. Now, on to the weekend. I had called Rick Svetecz on Thursday to verify he wasn't leaving town when he knew I was coming. We arranged to meet at Rock's Dugout on Saturday morning at 11, which meant I had to hit the road by 8. Fortunately, I remembered to turn on my alarm the night before. All that was left was a quick stop at Krispy Kreme and I was on my way. I got to Wichita a little before 11 and found my way to Rock's. No sign of Rick. I snooped around for a few minutes when Joe (the owner) said, "Hey, aren't you Rick's friend?" I don't know how he figured that out, I was wearing a Red Sox shirt sifting through the bargain box. He told me that Rick would be there shortly, so I kept on working my way through the bargains. Around 11:45 Rick strolls in. After exchanging pleasantries, we go back to work. Let me digress for a moment. Rock's Dugout is the most OBC-friendly shop I've ever been in. It definitely should be on the Dealers' list. Joe Ruocco and his wife Kathy are top-notch people. The shop is in the basement of a bowling alley. There is cardboard everywhere, 95 percent of it vintage. In addition, memorabilia, magazines, pictures, you name it, it can be found there. It may take all day to find it, but that's part of the fun. Now, back to the action. Joe asks Rick and I if we were thirsty. Now, most of you can vouch to the fact that shuffling through old cardboard can work up a thirst. But how many shop owners would serve up a beer to their customers? Another reason why Rock's should be on the Dealers' list! I finshed up rooting through the bargain box with a nice stack of goodies and proceeded to go through the stacks of cards behind the counter. ANOTHER reason Rock's should be on the Dealers' list: Joe let us come behind the counter and pull out whatever we wanted to go through. I'm sure he doesn't let just everyone do this, but since Rick practically lives there ;) he had no problem with us being back there. After many trips behind the counter and back to sort through cards, I set my stacks on the counter. Joe rifled through the cards and stacked them up by price. 50 cents, 1 dollar, 2 dollars. We're talking 69 high numbers, 54s, 58s, High number 72s here, and in much better shape than the rest of my collection. NOt to mention some of the stuff I pulled out of the bargain box. 49, 51, 52 Bowman. 53T High numbers, 2 bucks each! To top it off, Joe pulled out a 1964 Red Sox program. I asked how much. Joe just slipped it into my bag. ANOTHER reason Rock's should be on the Dealers' list. We finally wrapped up around 2:30. It would have been easy to stay longer, but we had to get to the Kansas Phillies Museum and Callison Shrine before they closed :) A quick stop for lunch and we were off to Rose Hill. The museum was even better than I remembered from my last visit back in '98. Rick also presented me with some cool oddball Yaz and Williams stuff, none of which I had. After the trip to the museum, I was led up to the Theater, where I was shown "The White Sox Story" starring a very young Johnny Callison. You gotta love those old 50's films! After that, it was time to head back south. A great, but much too short visit. If anyone is heading to the Wichita area, you must stop at Rock's and Rick's! With that, I end this Morgantiesque ramble. I never met an OBCer I didn't like.... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: finally going to binders... Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 12:40:08 -0800 From: "John Collins" After finally becoming tired of sorting my 55 and 56 Topps partial sets in top loaders in a box, I finally broke down and went to the local card shop to buy some 8 pocket pages and a binder yesterday after work. And just a few hours later....voila! This does indeed work better (especially all of those holes I now have to show me where the cards I still don't have are supposed to go). It can get interesting counting empty plastic spaces until you find the right one card number 278 is supposed to go in, after you just placed number 241. Well, just thought I would let you all know that I can literally "fill some holes" now as I add to my collection ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: TEST Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 15:52:30 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Hello Jeff, If you have received this message from all 4 group mail servers then you are registered on all of the group accounts. LMK that you received 4 messages. You can then set your preferences if you wish but please leave the Announcements account on for special group announcements that may be Likewise, everyone else will receive this test as well. If you do not get 4 messages then you may not be listed on all the accounts or you have prefered to turn some off (which is fine). If anyone else is experiencing problems then LMK. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ---- MARK OBC - egroup moderator ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay discussions Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 16:37:15 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" I agree with Joshua's point-- outbidding is part of the process, and I don't get upset if OBCers do it to me. I generally avoid it when I recognize OBC names, but especially early in an auction that I know will keep going up, I don't worry about it too much. I try not to snipe OBCers, although it happens once in a while unintentionally. But just bidding on something is not really the same as staking a claim for it. For the same reasons of friendship and good sense that lead us not to go out of our way to outbid each other, when it happens it should be forgiven and forgotten without a second thought. Life's too short to do otherwise. Cheers, Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ebay discussions > just as an aside... > I was once outbid on a card by an obc member...he did this > not remember my ebay id)...i found out because the said card showed up in > mailbox a week later...we both had a laugh about that...i generally do not > outbid any friends and only bid when the high bidder is not one of us. but > do not get upset when someone outbids me...i feel that if they can afford > pay more, great...i will eventually find it for my price anyway... > -joshua > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 19:40:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] oh, ebay To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com In a message dated 1/24/02 12:28:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, jcollins12@triad.rr.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800005403 You mean besides the fact that it is O/C and the bottom right corner looks I would just hate for someone to actually bid on this item... ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 20:52:28 -0500 To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] TEST From: Mark S Talbot Hello Friar, If you have received this message from all 4 group mail servers then you are registered on all of the group accounts. LMK that you received 4 messages. You can then set your preferences if you wish but please leave the Announcements account on for special group announcements that may be Everyone else thanks for your patience since you will receive this test as well. Once again, If you do not get 4 messages then you may not be listed on all the accounts or you have preferred to turn some off (which is fine). If anyone else is experiencing problems then LMK. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ---- MARK OBC - egroup moderator ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 21:52:19 EST Subject: availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi-This is Linda- these cards are available for good homes- 1948 Leaf Football # 22- Steve "Big Boy" Van Buren-(when did you ever see a "little boy" play professional football?) 1973 Topps Basketball ( i assume the year is 73 because last stats on back of card are for 71-72) # 1- Wilt Chamberlain T206 - Stephens- St. Louis (EX condition- no creases) -giving this one away because i don't like how the player looks 1952 topps # 16 - low number black back- Gene Hermanski- (trimmed) 1952 topps # 208 - Marlin Stuart 1951 bowman # 114- Sam Zoldak 1952 bowman # 92- Edward Waitkus 1956 topps # 34- Wayne Terwilliger 1958 topps # 252- Bob Trowbridge Baseball Scoops # 403- Mazeroski's Homer Wins Series for Bucs ( try to guess why i am giving this one away-I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT!!!) 1968 topps deckle- Bob Gibson 1969 topps game- Al Kaline 1970 topps # 620 - Jim Perry 1956 topps # 220- Del Ennis 1952 topps # 72- Karl Olson-( Hey- my maiden name!!! Olson) low # red back 1950 bowman # 190 - Ken Wood- (EX - no creases- beautiful card) 1953 topps Brooklyn Dodger # 176 Don Hoak-( Who is Don Hoak????)- i know a lot of the Brooklyn Dodgers from their cards and seeing videos of 50's games but who is this guy?? 1951 topps Red Back # 28- Elmer Valo 1959 topps # 567- Del Crandall 1963 topps # 554- Hank Fischer 1952 topps # 69 - low # red back -Virgil Stallcup ================= Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] oh, ebay Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:36:15 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden On 1/24/02 7:40 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com said: >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800005403 >You mean besides the fact that it is O/C and the bottom right corner looks >I would just hate for someone to actually bid on this item... You know what I like best about this one, though? By buying it, you can GIT SOME! Life should be so easy. OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 22:02:55 -0600 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] oh, ebay From: Michael Wierzbicki You mean a Nolan Ryan facsimile autograph is not worth $1200? Matthew Glidden wrote: > On 1/24/02 7:40 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com said: > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800005403 > > > >JC, > >You mean besides the fact that it is O/C and the bottom right corner looks > >dinged? > >I would just hate for someone to actually bid on this item... > You know what I like best about this one, though? By buying it, you can > GIT SOME! Life should be so easy. > -- > Spike > OBC: Because every card is "one of one" > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: reference on Jerry Hoover Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:03:56 -0800 From: "John Collins" Has anyone traded before with Jerry Hoover? Just looking for a quick reference if anybody has one. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:06:45 -0800 From: "John Collins" Ok, so I couldn't resist starting another one: Which single baseball record (career or seasonal) do you think will never be broken or will last the longest? My choice is Ripken's streak - 2632 games. 16 straight years of not missing a game. Iron man indeed. The answers can range from the serious to the comical -- another example would be Steve Howe's number of suspensions for drugs. Happy polling ! John the poll starter ================= To: John Collins Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:54:05 -0800 (PST) From: greenwood@integrity.com I would have to say: Rickey Henderson's single season (130) and final stolen base count (14??); Cy Young's Wins (511), Games Started (815), and Complete Games (749); Nolan Ryan's strikeouts (5,714) and walks (2,795); Hoss Radbourne's single season Wins (59); John Coleman's single season losses (48); Walter Johnson's career shutouts (110); Connie Mack's Tenure as a manager; Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak (56) and Ozzie Smith's single season and career Assists (621) and (8,375) Erik's propensity to waste time on baseball stats Quoting John Collins : > Ok, so I couldn't resist starting another one: > Which single baseball record (career or seasonal) do you think > will never be broken or will last the longest? > My choice is Ripken's streak - 2632 games. 16 straight years > of not missing a game. Iron man indeed. > The answers can range from the serious to the comical -- another > example would be Steve Howe's number of suspensions for drugs. > Happy polling ! > John the poll starter > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:19:01 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" Here's a couple of more for you. Most innings pitched in a World Series game. 10/09/1916 Boston Red Sox - Babe Ruth (14 innings) Most grand slams in one inning. (Might be tied some day but won't be 04/23/1999 Fernando Tatis (2) One related record would be most grand slams given up in one inning to the same player. The answer there would be Chan Ho Park (2). Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 12:38:58 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: t206guy@aol.com It seems impossible to me that anyone would break VanderMeer's record by throwing 3 consecutive no hitters. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 09:56:26 -0800 From: Steve Carter Yet still possible. Now, breaking Ed Ruelbach's record 2 shutouts in a single day, there's one that will never be beaten. No one is going to go 27 scoreless in one day. -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:39 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again It seems impossible to me that anyone would break VanderMeer's record by throwing 3 consecutive no hitters. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Ebay alerts! Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:14:18 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" 1970T 247 different (P,F,G condition) - Lots of big names.....I only need the Munson RC, or I'd go for this myself, $26 - 8hrs to go http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1064107706 1968T 268 different (P,F,G) - again lots of big names - a great starter set. I need 7 cards from this - WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO PUT IN A JOINT BID WITH ME ON THIS, WHERE I GET THOSE 7 AND YOU KEEP THE REST? LMK ASAP! Finishes in 8hrs. Currently $26.01 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1064106254 Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "Steve Carter" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:17:37 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" ..unless they're playing the Tigers. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Carter [mailto:scarter@multek.com] Sent: 25 January 2002 17:56 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Yet still possible. Now, breaking Ed Ruelbach's record 2 shutouts in a single day, there's one that will never be beaten. No one is going to go 27 scoreless in one day. -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:39 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again It seems impossible to me that anyone would break VanderMeer's record by throwing 3 consecutive no hitters. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:37:45 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Here's another lot which might interest some out there. I remember these storage boxes from many years back. What's interesting is that there are no mentions of names or card numbers in the descriptions, so this may not turn up too often in searches. Might be worth a gamble! Currently $2.25, but still 5 days to go. 1968 Baseball Card Locker full of CARDS and it is full of Topps baseball cards, over 525 (probably closer to 600), from 1966, 1967, 1968, and 1969. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800930146 ================= To: 'Glenn Codere' , Steve Carter Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:55:05 -0500 From: Mark Talbot Okay Glen, You can get away with a statement like that because you are a long suffering Tiger fan. I'm not going to take take abuse from some of you others out there. ;-) BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------- MARK -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere [mailto:glenn.codere@ntlworld.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 1:18 PM To: Steve Carter; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again ..unless they're playing the Tigers. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Carter [mailto:scarter@multek.com] Sent: 25 January 2002 17:56 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Yet still possible. Now, breaking Ed Ruelbach's record 2 shutouts in a single day, there's one that will never be beaten. No one is going to go 27 scoreless in one day. -----Original Message----- From: t206guy@aol.com [mailto:t206guy@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:39 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again It seems impossible to me that anyone would break VanderMeer's record by throwing 3 consecutive no hitters. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:17:04 EST Subject: Distribution of Availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i am happy to report that ALL of those who requested cards from my recent availables will be getting something- i don't want any one of my fine trading friends left out- cards go out today to ( and don't be surprised if i add some cards in addition to the requested ones) -- Talbot-(yes, you are getting that one you requested) Crotte (nice to see a guy who wants other sports than baseball) Corvello ( the Friar is an appreciator of old beat up Bowmans like me) Hattox ("The Man" - who else can stuff your mail box like Brock!) Sinclair ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 15:44:41 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" I'd have to go with Cy Young's 511 wins. I doubt anyone will every reach 400 wins, let alone 500+ -----Original Message----- From: John Collins [mailto:jcollins12@triad.rr.com] Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:07 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Ok, so I couldn't resist starting another one: Which single baseball record (career or seasonal) do you think will never be broken or will last the longest? My choice is Ripken's streak - 2632 games. 16 straight years of not missing a game. Iron man indeed. The answers can range from the serious to the comical -- another example would be Steve Howe's number of suspensions for drugs. Happy polling ! John the poll starter To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: records Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 16:24:08 -0500 From: "John Collins" Another answer to my own poll, don't think this one has been mentioned yet: Walter Johnson holds the career records for shutouts with 110. This one will probably never be approached. The top 3 active shutout leaders (Clemens, Johnson, Maddux) have a COMBINED total of....109 :) Have a good weekend, John C. Collins ================= To: topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BIG NEWS for V02 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 14:52:07 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" My question is what did Margaret do wrong to get this kind of punishment? She always seemed likable and smart so I can only guess the Rick is blackmailing her or something else? There might be an investigation to head off this crime! Big Al in Seattle >From: topgolf@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] BIG NEWS for V02 >Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 23:16:42 EST >The Vegas eVents have grown over the past 7 years from an informal >to an almost organized gathering. Ever few year it seems as though a new >tradition is added to the agenda. A few years ago the excuse breakfast was >added to the golf tournament and the half rubber game at the ballpark at >Fuerte Court (did I mention that my neighbor has a pool) is not to be > And let us not forget the soon to be tradition that came about at >V01...closing ceremonies at Hooters. >There is big news about happenings at V02. While it most likely become a >yearly tradition, it is a very special event. I received a phone call last >night from Rick Ellison with a big surprise -- he is going to marry >his companion of the last 15 years. While all the details have not been >worked out, the wedding will be incorporated into the traditional "Official >(as it gets) Schedule of Events". >It will be a true May - December wedding as the elderly Ellison will be >marrying the vibrant and much younger Margaret Kramer. Perhaps with the >on the finger people will stop referring to her as his daughter. >While I am very happy for these great friends, there is an element of >motive in it for me. Margaret recently booked a trip for my wife and me, >sent her business card along with the package. While it is not her rookie >card, it will be the her last card before the name change. I plan on >her to autograph it and then sell it on Ebay. >So, as well as the rib fest, excuse breakfast, golf tournament, baseball >game, card shop visit and closing ceremonies, we will have this one time >special event at V02! Make your plans now...May 17-20 >Rest well, >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:06:57 EST Subject: 1971 availables To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: malsman250@cs.com Anybody doing those "black beauties"? Condition vgish 4 44 71 73 92 94 96 101 108 127 201 367 429 602 ================= To: "John Collins" , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 07:29:58 +0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again From: " john harrell" I don't think anyone will come close to Owen Wilson's 36 triples in a season or Sam Crawford's 309 career triples. Just look at league leading totals over the last 50 years. -----Original Message----- From: "John Collins" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:06:45 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again > Ok, so I couldn't resist starting another one: > Which single baseball record (career or seasonal) do you think > will never be broken or will last the longest? > My choice is Ripken's streak - 2632 games. 16 straight years > of not missing a game. Iron man indeed. > The answers can range from the serious to the comical -- another > example would be Steve Howe's number of suspensions for drugs. > Happy polling ! > John the poll starter > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:58:25 EST Subject: test To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:12:11 EST Subject: test To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 17:11:43 EST Subject: test To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:00:34 -0500 From: "galtemos" How about Germany Schaefer's record for most times stealing first base? > From: t206guy@aol.com > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again > Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 12:38 PM > It seems impossible to me that anyone would break VanderMeer's record by > throwing 3 consecutive no hitters. > Mark > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:03:34 -0600 To: John Collins Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] records From: Michael Wierzbicki Who has the record for the most paternity suits in a single season? > John Collins wrote: > Another answer to my own poll, don't think this one has been mentioned > yet: > Walter Johnson holds the career records for shutouts with 110. This > one will probably never be approached. The top 3 active shutout > leaders (Clemens, Johnson, Maddux) have a COMBINED total of....109 :) > Have a good weekend, > John > John C. Collins > jcollins12@triad.rr.com > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > [] > ---------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: , "John Collins" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] records Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:12:22 -0500 From: "galtemos" I think that would be Steve Garvey. > From: Michael Wierzbicki > To: John Collins > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] records > Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 9:03 PM > Who has the record for the most paternity suits in a single season? > > John Collins wrote: > > > > Another answer to my own poll, don't think this one has been mentioned > > yet: > > > > Walter Johnson holds the career records for shutouts with 110. This > > one will probably never be approached. The top 3 active shutout > > leaders (Clemens, Johnson, Maddux) have a COMBINED total of....109 :) > > > > Have a good weekend, > > > > John > > > > John C. Collins > > jcollins12@triad.rr.com > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor > > [] > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:43:57 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BIG NEWS for V02 To: alcattle@hotmail.com, Topgolf@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com Looks like Big Al is feeling like his old self again, good to hear! ================= To: , "John Collins" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 20:55:06 -0500 From: "galtemos" My personal favorite record belongs to Jim Creighton, who played an entire season without making a single out. I believe the season was 1861. Let Ichiro (or anyone else) top THAT. A scan of Creighton's only card is attached. > From: John Collins > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] poll time again > Date: Friday, January 25, 2002 11:06 AM > Ok, so I couldn't resist starting another one: > Which single baseball record (career or seasonal) do you think > will never be broken or will last the longest? > My choice is Ripken's streak - 2632 games. 16 straight years > of not missing a game. Iron man indeed. > The answers can range from the serious to the comical -- another > example would be Steve Howe's number of suspensions for drugs. > Happy polling ! > John the poll starter > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Football collectors needed Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:09:20 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I'm not finding enough people for all the football cards I have. I've checked lists for Austin Chambers Cipra Coker Donaldson Duffy Glidden Griffin Hatch Hitzeman Kolenda Linden Lindholme Luurs Malson Mandell Miller Moleta Perry Raum Reed Rich Robinson Schott Stahlman Sweeney Talbot Vrechek West Wiehe Zentkovich (haha -- it was fun to cut and paste that into this message). If you collect football and I've skipped you, let me know. I'm trying to hit the shortest lists first so if you have a short list, I'll make sure yours gets checked before anything gets sent out to people just starting. If you want to start collecting a football set from 1968 - 1990, let me know. I've recruited a few people recently (Atnip 1970, Wagner 1977, McGowan1977) and there's lots more left for everyone else. You might have expressed interest in the past and I forgot about it. If so, remind me. If you have a favorite team, let me know. Team collectors identified are Schott - Colts, Domino - Jets, Codere - Lions, Mark Z - Redskins. Where are all you Bengal, Falcon and Chief fans hiding? :-) I look forward to hearing from the 100 people not on the above list. ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 21:17:15 EST Subject: record for Paternity suits To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com i would say Hugh Heffner- or maybe Wilt Chamberlin. ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 22:26:11 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... To: glenn.codere@ntlworld.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: 1/25/02 1:50:41 PM Eastern Standard Time To: "OBC Ramblings" From: "Glenn Codere" Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 18:37:45 -0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 23:07:11 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 266 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/26/02 3:10:28 AM, talbotm@huronacademy.org writes: << You can get away with a statement like that because you are a long suffering Tiger fan. I'm not going to take take abuse from some of you others out there. ;-) BE WELL!!! I'm sorry, but the term LONG suffering doesn't sit well with me. The Tigers have been world champs twice in MY lifetime... I don't think the Cubs and Red Sox fans in the group feel sorry for you. :-) Ken M. ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Very interesting site Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 00:59:52 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" WOW! I'd never heard of retrosheet before! You could wander in there and never be heard from again. Thanks Yaz for calling it to our attention! ----- Original Message ----- From: "yaz" To: Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 1:15 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Very interesting site > All, > Got a little time to spare? You won't want to quit reading these. > http://www.retrosheet.org/strange.htm > greg (yaz) > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 09:36:09 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] BIG NEWS for V02 To: TPLY@aol.com, alcattle@hotmail.com, Topgolf@aol.com, From: GHAY1@aol.com Can't believe you guys are finally taking the plunge, but that's really great. Since the ceremony will fall on the Sunday of V2002, does that mean that PLAY BALL's Rick will preside over the ceremony and Hooters girls will be bridesmaids? ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:14:20 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 266 From: Mark S Talbot I deserve that Ken, But then again I would only expect a very long suffering Red Sox fan to bring it up. The Bosox are my second favorite team as I was born in Bristol, CN and had an early allegiance to them as a young boy. I root for them to win except when they play the Tigers. Now by comparison the Red Sox teams over the past decade or so have been far superior to my Tiger teams and that's hard to admit, none the less it's true. We actually get excited around here if the Tigers are playing 50/50 baseball - now that's sad. You have a case Ken, but I would only say that you and the other Red Sox fans should truly be able to make derogatory statements about them Red Sox. But hey - none of those rules apply to Yanks fans - you either love those Yanks or despise them. Right Linda? ;-) BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * cardclctor@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/26/02 3:10:28 AM, talbotm@huronacademy.org writes: > << You can get away with a statement like that because you are a long > suffering Tiger fan. I'm not going to take take abuse from some of you > others out there. ;-) BE WELL!!! > >> > I'm sorry, but the term LONG suffering doesn't sit well with me. The Tigers > have been world champs twice in MY lifetime... I don't think the Cubs and Red > Sox fans in the group feel sorry for you. :-) > Ken M. > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:20:24 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... From: Mark S Talbot ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:40:28 -0500 From: "Robert Reed" ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:40:01 EST Subject: Card Locker To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Oops...I tend not to outbid obcers for items...sort of an unwritten rule I have and I think I did it twice without noticing...I had a blue card locker as a kid that I traded a '75 Bench and a '79 Rose for in 1982. I loved that locker and want to add the green one as well...of course in my excitement I outbid some obcers...The good thing is, if I win, the locker is full of obc type cards and many people will get hit. ================= To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Locker Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 10:03:52 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" I also had a locker, still do, in fact. Mine is the red variation that must have come out in 1969 or 70 as it had a slot for the Seattle Pilots. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 9:40 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Locker Oops...I tend not to outbid obcers for items...sort of an unwritten rule I have and I think I did it twice without noticing...I had a blue card locker as a kid that I traded a '75 Bench and a '79 Rose for in 1982. I loved that locker and want to add the green one as well...of course in my excitement I outbid some obcers...The good thing is, if I win, the locker is full of obc type cards and many people will get hit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 13:28:10 EST Subject: Need help with card valuation To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- there is a card on the local bid board that closes today at 4pm i would like to know the value of so i don't overbid- it is from a set i have not seen one card from yet up on the local bid board so i don't know how much they sell for- it is a 1952 Berk Ross Joe Dimaggio card in Vg-Ex-maybe closer to Ex- The current high bid is $2.75(as of yesterday)-----i was planning on bidding on it but i don't want to overpay for it- Does any member know what this card sells for at shows?Forget the catralog value- i want to know what one actually sells for so i don't pay to much- i haven't seen one on ebay either so i can't use that for a guide- please let me know what this card sells for- Linda ================= To: , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Locker Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 19:02:58 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Don't forget the guy who alerted everyone to this...... -----Original Message----- From: Wite3@aol.com [mailto:Wite3@aol.com] Sent: 26 January 2002 16:40 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Locker Oops...I tend not to outbid obcers for items...sort of an unwritten rule I have and I think I did it twice without noticing...I had a blue card locker as a kid that I traded a '75 Bench and a '79 Rose for in 1982. I loved that locker and want to add the green one as well...of course in my excitement I outbid some obcers...The good thing is, if I win, the locker is full of obc type cards and many people will get hit. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 14:53:45 -0500 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need help with card valuation From: Mark S Talbot Hi Linda, The Beckett Annual guide states that the `51 Berk Ross which measures 2 1/16 by 2 1/2 is $175 mint and the `52 Berk Ross at 2 by 3 is a $1,250 card. I guess I would inquire if the listing is for a reprint. Hope you find this helpful!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote: > hi- this is Linda- there is a card on the local bid board that closes today > at 4pm i would like to know the value of so i don't overbid- it is from a set > i have not seen one card from yet up on the local bid board so i don't know > how much they sell for- it is a 1952 Berk Ross Joe Dimaggio card in > Vg-Ex-maybe closer to Ex- The current high bid is $2.75(as of > yesterday)-----i was planning on bidding on it but i don't want to overpay > for it- Does any member know what this card sells for at shows?Forget the > catralog value- i want to know what one actually sells for so i don't pay to > much- i haven't seen one on ebay either so i can't use that for a guide- > please let me know what this card sells for- Linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Locker, or Re: You can tell I've got nothing better to do..... Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:38:18 -0500 From: "James Moleta" Joshua & others, I must confess that I also recognized OBC bidders on this one, but bid anyway. Not only do I likely need the cards (I am working on all 4 sets) but I had a cousin growing up that had one of these lockers, and back then I thought it was just the coolest thing going! I, sadly, never had one, and felt this was my chance to finally enhance a portion of my youth that was previoulsy unfulfilled (cheap ploy for sympathy - sure I'll get outbid again by another OBCer - Ha!) Regardless of how this plays out, it seems right that dupes will be heading to OBC! Game on! Message: 9 Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 11:40:01 EST From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Card Locker Oops...I tend not to outbid obcers for items...sort of an unwritten rule I have and I think I did it twice without noticing...I had a blue card locker as a kid that I traded a '75 Bench and a '79 Rose for in 1982. I loved that locker and want to add the green one as well...of course in my excitement I outbid some obcers...The good thing is, if I win, the locker is full of obc type cards and many people will get hit. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: Subject: Delays in server email delivery Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 18:57:40 -0600 From: "tim newcomb" For some reason the email going to and from the yahoo servers is taking as long as 3 days (!) to get to me. This afternoon I got a bunch of messages that were sent Thursday. I'm sending this note at 6:30 PM Saturday. It will probably get to you (if at all) on Monday night or later. Question is: is anyone else having this problem, or have you in the past? Please let me know-- ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 22:11:28 EST Subject: the berk ross Dimaggio and some availables To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i didn't win that 52 Berk Ross card of Joe Dimaggio on the local card shop bid board today- it went for $52 this afternoon on the local bid board- i didn't want to bid that high because i noticed the card had 2 squares stamped on the back of the card in ink and right in the center of the back of the card- the card had no creases on the front- i noticed the card was in color but very lousy color - looked a LOT like the color on those 48-49 Leaf cards- i won some nice non -sports cards on the bid board today- but not for the cheap out-of the-LA-area prices Steve Rittenberg is used to- he is lucky to be able to buy non sports cheap in little cards shops in the south and east coast- that stuff is expensive here- i won an early 50's Bowman card of George Fenneman- announcer on Groucho's You Bet Your Life program for $2.50---also an early 50's Bowman card of child star Anne Whitfield for $3- i wanted that one because she played a kid on the NBC radio show -the Alice Faye- Phil Harris show- as you know i have done drawings of Alice Faye- i also won some more of these 50's Bowman cards of entertainment people i don't recognize- Ned Wever,Helen Halpin,Carmen Dragon,Randy Merriman,Tony Martin(hey , wait a minute- i sure know who Tony Martin is)--for $2 to $3 each- i would love to find these 50's Bowman entertainment cards in shops on the east coast for 25 to 50 cents each!!--now for the availables- i picked up 3 nice condition old football cards for 25 cents each i thought some obcer might need- they are 1954 Bowmans- #103-Stan West-Los Angeles Rams---# 56-Leon McLaughlin- Los Angeles Rams----#123-Kline Gilbert- Chicago Bears--i wish some of you guys could be here for next weeks board which closes Saturday- there is a whole row of 20 to 30 53 topps low numbers in nice Ex condition- also a bunch of 56 topps including an Aaron in Ex condition- (i already have a bid of 50 cents on that one) also a bunch of nice condition 59 topps including Aaron, Koufax(ex-mint-centered) Drysdale-a Goudey of Dodger Dazzy Vance+ some t206's i bid a quarter on to start.also more 53 bowmans colors ( i won a few today- Ex condition- no creases for 50 cents)-these cards are being put up on the local bid board by the same guy who was in the shop about a month ago and sold me the 52 highs and the Plank and Walter Johnson Cracker Jacks for $5 each- he has a lot of old cards he is selling on the local card shop bid board- Linda ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 23:59:45 EST Subject: Re: poll time again To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com well, i have to go with vandermeer's two no hitters as the most unbreakable record-you have to toss three in a row to break it. not a chance of that ever happening. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:51:02 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-RAMBLINGS@Yahoogroups.com Subject: unbreakable baseball records? From: keithsummers@webtv.net Longest kick of a baseball- Paul Oneil Thrown out 2 games in a row-Earl Weaver Longest throw of first base- Lou Pinella 6-Most fights 1 game-Braves & Padres 1982 (Champ Summers/Bob Horner etc) 2-Most 911 calls due to postgame fireworks show- Mets @ Braves 7-5-8? Latest ending game-3:55AM? (see above) HR by pitcher with 0 career HRs to tie a game after 3AM-Rick Camp (see Last HR in upper deck @ Atlanta Fulton County Stadium- Earl Williams 100+ SB 1st 3 yrs in ML-Vince Coleman 110 SB rookie year-Vince Coleman 217 SB 1st 2 yrs of career-V.C. 326 SB 1st 3 yrs of career-V.C. 407 SB 1st 4 yrs of career-V.C. 472 SB 1st 5 ys of career-V.C. 549 SB 1st 6 yrs of career-V.C. also 7-8-9 yr marks for V.C. 698 SB 1st 10 yrs of career-V.C. 1-most fans injured by firecracker thrown by player-Vince Coleman best performance during rain delay- (a Dodger doing Kirk Gibson or Babe Hatcher, Monday & Oates come to mind but I think it is someone else I can't remember at the moment) 511-Wins by Cy Young (but weren't the rules different back then?) 1966-1995 Most yrs with no Championships for a city in the 4 major sports (MLB-NFL-NHL-NBA) Notes: Braves started in 66 & finally won in 95. The Falcons loss in their only Super Bowl game. Flames & Hawks never made it to a Championship game/series. The Atlanta Chiefs (soccer) were declared Champs in 1968 & almost won it in 69 or 70 it seems. In Minor League Hockey I think the Knights were Champs in the 90s once. So back to the major 4, is this the record? Side note=Georgia Force is the name announced for Atlanta's new Arena Football team which has Marietta native Eric Zeier at QB & starts April 1-major fires at stadium an hour before game that was still played-Atlanta-Fred McGriff Atlanta debut. 0nly pitcher to retrieve a ball that broke an all time career HR mark-Tom House- Aaron's #715 on April 8th, 1974. Only player in uniform during 2 games in which the All Time HR mark was broken-(715 & 756)- Hint=43 The Braves had only like 700 fans at one game on a rainy night but I'm sure it isn't a record for MLB. Anyone know who has it? I know only like 47 fans showed up for a Kansas City ABL game one night! Anyone have the URL for a site that has the All Time HR leaders? Not just a top ten but like a top 50. Is there a site that has weird MLB or sports records? How about infamous records or records of futility? Corrections, updates, sidenotes & additions to this are appreciated. ================= To: Subject: Dimanche/Derniere Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 07:32:41 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Thank you Lynn, for finally giving me the chance to use a bit of the five years of French that were crammed down my throat in high school in the '60s. Those cards were inserted in a Montreal weekly magazine...the title literally means Sunday Latest, as in news. Lucky for Lynn, 1973 was the only year players other than Expos were featured. Had they been printed anywhere else in Canada other than Quebec, they would have to include both English AND French. There's no English on these babies...go figure. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:41:22 EST Subject: My latest travel To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, autograph1@earthlink.net, sburuca@msn.com, From: tply@aol.com I will be leaving tomorrow morning for Las Vegas for a few days of training before driving to Salt Lake City for the Winter Olympics Detail. I will be staying at the following locations and welcome calls or plans to meet any of January 28, 2002 - February 1, 2002 Crown Plaza Hotel Las Vegas, NV February 1, 2002 - February 25, 2002 Grand Sumit Resort Hotel 4000 The Caynons Resort Drive Park City, UT February 25, 2002 - February 26, 2002 Crown Plaza Hotel Las Vegas, NV I will have my laptop with me and will try to provide more details when I have them. Please contact me if you would like to get together in either ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: OPC Availables Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:46:53 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" While tidying up some boxes of cards, I came across a few 1970 OPC dupes, all of them Tigers. They are #33(Wert), 129(Price),152(IBrown),177(Northrup), 269(Gutierrez), 383(Stanley), 475(McAuliffe) Typical OBC condition (G-VG). Any takers? Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:27:21 EST Subject: showtime -- the reason why we exist To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I went to a show today and had my typical experience. I didn't get any of the key cards that I intended to get. Instead, I dropped a couple of hundred bucks on off grade cards, over 90% of which I already have or don't collect. Without OBC and VCT I'd have no reason for "wasting my time" as my wife puts Query: Are any of you sufficiently disciplined to buy only what you target? ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:36:44 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist To: JDelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: amcook93@aol.com In a message dated 1/27/2002 2:29:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, jdelott@aol.com writes: << Query: Are any of you sufficiently disciplined to buy only what you target? >> I don't think I've been to a show in 15 years where I have stuck exclusively to my wantlist. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:38:35 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, JDelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tply@aol.com I haven't either and often I even forget to bring my wantlist! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: '50s Tigers for the Waiver Wire Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:30:29 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Here's a few more Tigers hitting the Waiver Wire. Get 'em while they're hot! 54B #55 Delsing 55B #121 Crawford (2 of these!), #35 Tuttle, #154 Lary, #204 Bolling 53T #163 Hatfield 55T #192 Delsing 56T #57 Maas, #147 Torgeson Glenn Codere Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:40:42 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com I can't remember the last time I went to a show, card store, auction site, etc. and bought what I was looking for...it is an addiction. ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:44:12 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" -----Original Message----- From: tply@aol.com [mailto:tply@aol.com] Sent: 27 January 2002 19:39 To: AMCOOK93@aol.com; JDelott@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist I haven't either and often I even forget to bring my wantlist! [GC] The only time I've been to a National, I did just that - forgot my damn wantlist! I'd been looking forward to going for months (Atlanta 1999), and couldn't believe it when, within hours of landing on US soil, I realized I didn't have my list! Fortunately, I managed to dredge up an old version of it from the OBC website. Oh, and by the way, I didn't come anywhere near to sticking to it! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:57:54 EST Subject: Re- Showtime- reason we exist To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- i buy vintage cards i already have if they are cheap enough.When i go to a show i only buy cards from sets i am collecting- and only ones i don't have- the other cards i buy at shows are on the want lists of traders whose want lists i bring to shows- i don't buy unnecessary stuff at shows because the prices are too high at shows and shops- BUT when it comes to my local card shop bid board i go to every saturday- i will BUY anything if it is cheap enough whether i collect it or not or even if i already have the card- i have no interest in football cards but if i see 54 bowman football cards in Ex condition and i can get them for less than $1 i buy them- - i don't collect the 56 topps set but if i can buy nice Ex condition ones for $2 on the board i do- i will also buy any t206 or Goudey in Vg-Ex i see if i can win it for less than $10-i make notes and study what cards sell for at shows- forget beckett or price guides- i observe what cards actually sell for at shows and also on ebay- if i can buy the same vintage card on the local bid board for a small fraction of what i see the same card selling for at a show i go for it- no matter if i collect it or have it or not- if i can win it cheap - I BUY IT- somebody in the on- line trading group may need it- the only cards i can't seem to find reasonable are those 54 bowman and topps cards of radio and tv stars- i really like those since i am an entertainer myself- but since i live near Hollywood- those are "movie collectables" which interest people other than poor baseball card collectors-Here in LA where i live big shots in the movie business like critic Leonard Maltin and director Steven Spielberg collect those cards- if any shop gets those cards they have the business cards of these hollywood people who are looking for the cards=like a dealer told me when i asked him about saving any of the 54 bowman entertainment cards he may get for me-" i am not selling them to you when i get them when Michael Eisiner - head of Disney - sends me a check for $1,000 with a note to send him all i get- and the locals who go to my bid board almost always outbid me on them because they know how to contact entertainment people who will pay them 20x what they paid for the card- BUT a wonderful guy in OBC - Steve Rittenberg who is a far greater expert than i on non-sports- may be able to help me out finding these cards outside LA area for reasonable prices- you guys want to make a BIG profit on cards- (heaven forbid my capitalistic tendencies)-buy some of these 54 bowman and topps radio and tv stars cards for 50 cents- find out the addresses where to write guys like Steven Speilberg- print out a scan of the cards you have and ask $100 or more each- these guys who make 50 million a year or more will pay it- Linda ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:38:15 EST Subject: (no subject) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RWP521@AOL.COM Spike and I met up for the local show yesterday and had a great time looking through the bargain boxes. After we went to Applebees where he let me pick through some he had just bought and his dupes box as well. Spike picked up the dinner tab too. Thanks again. Another great OBC experience. I look forward to the next show. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: All but 2 claimed.... Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:07:24 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" All of the cards that I put up on the Waiver Wire earlier this evening have been claimed, except 2 - 1955B #121 (Crawford-Det.) & #204 (Bolling-Det.) Everyone that has been in touch will get something from the Wire. Cheers for now! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:56:30 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist To: AMCOOK93@aol.com, JDelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Traderdoug@aol.com In a message dated 1/27/2002 1:37:36 PM Central Standard Time, amcook93@aol.com writes: << < Query: Are any of you sufficiently disciplined to buy only what you target? >> >> Not a chance - Doug ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:06:22 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960 Fleer # 80 From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Guys! I just won an ebay lot to pick up the next-to-last card on my 1960 Fleer wantlist. The last card on the list is # 80. In the last several years, I have never even seen this card at a show. I have searched for it on ebay about 50 times in the last few years, and have never seen it listed. My question is: Should I consider my set complete, without #80? What have the rest of you, who collect this set, decided about the elusive ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 20:30:45 -0500 To: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] showtime -- the reason why we exist From: Mark S Talbot Well Jeff, You ask an interesting question. I always brought my want list to the show and only bought cards that I needed until about 2-3 years ago when I began trading. Slowly I bought more and more cards that were not on my list. Today, I carry one list with me to the shows it is that of Brock Hattox and I always but things that I am targeting. It's simple because now I am simply looking for vintage cardboard at ridiculously low prices. If I need it in my collection it is a bonus, but I know I will be able to trade whatever I buy so I don't worry. Sometimes I actually get a card on Brock's Tough list as well which makes the day even more productive. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * jdelott@aol.com wrote: > I went to a show today and had my typical experience. I didn't get any of > the key cards that I intended to get. Instead, I dropped a couple of hundred > bucks on off grade cards, over 90% of which I already have or don't collect. > Without OBC and VCT I'd have no reason for "wasting my time" as my wife puts > it. > Query: Are any of you sufficiently disciplined to buy only what you target? > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:42:07 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer # 80 To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Like the song says "it ain't over til it's over"... I just finished my 71 Topps coins this past year, so figure the math, took me 30 years to complete. Somewhere along the way, this card will show up. If you let it sit like that, you will always know there is a hole in the binder. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:28:15 EST Subject: ebay card locker To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well boys, Looks like the bidding is getting fast and furious for http://cgi.ebay.com/awcgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800930146&r=0&t=0& I'll throw out an idea, if anyone is interested. I do not care about the locker (I already have one), but the cards interest me. This is definitely an item an OBCer should own. If any of the boys are bidding because of the cards and not the locker, I'm willing to be part of a coalition where someone gets the locker and we split up the cards. I know some of us have done this in the past. I don't want to make it where we set up sides. If the guys bidding are doing it for the locker, then let the best man win. As far as the cards go, I'd look to fill holes in the 68 list and 67s (which will be listed when 1968 gets under 50). Now if anyone finds one of those blue lockers..... Just a thought to help out... ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:39:24 -0500 To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer # 80 From: "Brett W. Domue" My recomendation: Put the set in your "complete" binder, but keep #80 (all 2-3 versions - Grove on front, Collins on front, or the newly listed Joe Tinker on front) on your list...you never know if one will turn up. There was one on eBay a year or two ago that went for something like $250. Levi Bleam always has one or two for sale as well... At 07:06 PM 1/27/2002 -0600, Michael Wierzbicki wrote: >Hi, Guys! >I just won an ebay lot to pick up the next-to-last card on my 1960 Fleer >wantlist. The last card on the list is # 80. >In the last several years, I have never even seen this card at a show. I >have searched for it on ebay about 50 times in the last few years, and >have never seen it listed. >My question is: Should I consider my set complete, without #80? What >have the rest of you, who collect this set, decided about the elusive >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Fw: question about baseball player Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 19:31:06 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" I don't do the '64 set - can anyone help this young lady? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lauren Gueriera" To: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 6:17 PM Subject: question about baseball player Hello. I am doing a websearch about a person who says he is a former baseball player I believe for the New York Mets whose name is Bill (or William?) Haas. I'm guessing he probably would have played sometime in the 1960s. I saw your baseball checklist and saw a Haas listed as a rookie for the Mets in 1964. Was this Bill Haas? Can you give me any additional information about him? (ie - where he lives, family, etc?) Thank you for your help. Lauren Gueriera Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: '69 mantle white letters Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:52:31 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" this one has no bids and an open of $25. Go get it! OBC Style, but not bad at all http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1800952090 ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: non-sport checklist source Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 01:53:11 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I'm getting weary from typing up every non-sport checklist that I need. Idid some hunting for an electronic source for checklists but found none. If anyone else has found a source, please let me know. Thanks. Steve R. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:41:52 -0800 Subject: "Where were you in '62?" From: Peter M Iversen Well, I was walking to the Westward Ho supermarket looking for deposit bottles and buying packs of baseball cards. That was the year I started buying in earnest. It continued through '63 and '64 - and then at 11 my card buying abruptly stopped - must have been a lack of deposit bottles, money - an interest in slot cars or perhaps The Beatles... In any case when I sorted through my shoe box in 1989 I found all my cards neatly stacked by team (I was missing all my Cincinnati Reds) waiting for me to love them again. I concentrated on the 63 sets first - the year the Dodgers beat the Yankees in 4 straight - a very memorable year for a young Dodger fan. I nailed down the Fleers in '97 with a trade for the Adcock card and the Topps about a year later when Josh gave me the Braves team card - the '64's were finished in December as most of you heard with a purchase of the Yankees Team Card on e-bay. As of yesterday the '62 set is also put to rest and thus I have completed all of my boyhood sets... It is an accomplishment that is satisfying and sad at the same time. I even went into all of the TINT variations on the '62's to prolong the quest. I have been looking for and bidding on e-bay for card #592 for about a year now. I always have come up short or the card was just too pricey. I wanted to pay 10-15% - well I was getting desperate so I bid on an auction that ended on January 13 - I put a max of about 28% and I won the card for about 22. I got the card in the mail at the beginning of last week. I wanted to let everyone know that I had essentially finished the '62 set at this point - since all I needed was a TINT variation of a common card - but I have been so busy with work (8AM - 11PM MON-SUN) that I have put that off. Well - lo and behold last night when I dragged home around 11:30 I found a small envelope in my mail - from my friend Ken Morganti - and what do you suppose was in it...? That's right - it was a 1962 Topps card #119 - the Danny Murphy TINT VARIATION! A couple months short of 40 years after starting this set - Ken has finished it off for me!! I am very glad that I got this last card from an OBCer - it is very fitting. Especially one who I have met. Especially Ken! As I have worked at completing these three sets I would have to say that the '62's have become my favorite - not to mention that the Dodgers had the best team they have fielded in my lifetime that year (that I saw play) - even though they didn't win the pennant (my opinion) - I loved watching Maury Wills steal bases that year and Drysdale, Koufax and Perranoski pitch - Duke spend his last year in the Dodger outfield and Tommy Davis hit and hit. Willie Davis in center field, Fairly and Howard in right and at first, Roseboro behind the plate and Jr. Gilliam at second. The whole style of play of that team is still in my memory and still my favorite kind of baseball - producing runs from stolen bases, bunts, scratch hits and sacrifice hits - and having one or two runs be enough to win on. Well - this is rather loooong - but that was done to honor the individual who made this ramble possible - Ken Morganti - Thanks Ken for being there with the right card at the right time. I have waited for this moment to put Danny in the binder so wait a second.... there! I have just done it - nestled Danny between the regular color variation of himself and Bob Purkey - I wish you all a pleasant evening and a special moment with your cards and in your memory as I have had tonight... GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ================= To: "Brett W. Domue" , wierzbickim@ameritech.net, Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:44:47 +0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer # 80 From: " john harrell" I've seen one 1960 #80 in the three or so years I've been on ebay. One thing to watch for is this: apparently these cards were errors never intended for general release and Fleer, to prevent their release put a small notch on the bottom border of the cards, with the intent later to destroy the cards. Some however survived. The notch is more like a thin rectangular piece about an 1/8th inch long that's been punched out of the card cleanly, like with some type of metal punch. The card I saw on ebay (Collins front) had this notch but in every other way was NM. It went for about $250. I look occasionally for one of these as an example but I don't lose any sleep over it either. -----Original Message----- From: "Brett W. Domue" Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:39:24 -0500 To: wierzbickim@ameritech.net,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer # 80 > My recomendation: Put the set in your "complete" binder, but keep #80 (all > 2-3 versions - Grove on front, Collins on front, or the newly listed Joe > Tinker on front) on your list...you never know if one will turn up. There > was one on eBay a year or two ago that went for something like $250. Levi > Bleam always has one or two for sale as well... > Brett > At 07:06 PM 1/27/2002 -0600, Michael Wierzbicki wrote: > >Hi, Guys! > > > >I just won an ebay lot to pick up the next-to-last card on my 1960 Fleer > >wantlist. The last card on the list is # 80. > > > >In the last several years, I have never even seen this card at a show. I > >have searched for it on ebay about 50 times in the last few years, and > >have never seen it listed. > > > >My question is: Should I consider my set complete, without #80? What > >have the rest of you, who collect this set, decided about the elusive > >#80? > > > >Regards, > > > >Mike > > > > > >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > >OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 23:31:14 +0800 Subject: Auburn Show From: " john harrell" Well.... first let me qualify the message title. Yes there were some dealer tables in the mall in Auburn, Alabama and two of them had sports cards and you can fill in the rest. Oh well!! Mac Wubben and his lovely wife Josie met me at the mall where Mac informed me that we might as well sit somewhere and get to duping. Mac had already put a few aside for me and WHAT A FEW!! Three (3) direct hits to my Diamond Stars set. Talk about tough hits!! Those 3 bring that list down to 17. Just 17 more for the complete master set. My jaw dropped. In addition he brings along a very nice t205 Jennings as well as 3 57 Topps and 5 52 Topps. I might as well go ahead and add this one (52's) although I usually don't add a set until I have acquired a substantial starter set. Mac managed to find a few out of my dupes box. In the meantime Josie had gone to get a manicure so Mac and I had a nice visit and I chowed down on some Mall chinese. It's just amazing when you meet OBCers; it's like you're boyhood chums who see each other all the time, although in this case I've got about 30 years on Mac. Old cardboard seems to have this affect on people. Anyway we talked about our collecting preferences and how our wantlists got the way they are and some of the OBC experiences we've had. A great way to spend part of an afternoon!! Hopefully this spring we can have another Madison OBC convention but in the meantime keep that cardboard flowing. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com vct@yahoogroups.com Subject: OPC on ebay Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 12:57:42 -0800 From: "John Collins" Here are some lesser quality, late 60's OPC stars if anyone is interested. Should be a pretty good deal: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1801717086 ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:09:22 EST Subject: 1962s To: From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I just won a stack of cards from eBay, a bunch of 1962 Topps, kinda beaten up, but nice nonetheless. After I take out what I need, I suspect there will still be about 140 dupes. So if you are collecting 1962s, drop me a line and I will look at your lists when the cards come in. I have already scoured through everyone's web sites and have picked out some "suspects." But I may have missed you. Let me know. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: found at work.. Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 13:35:16 -0800 From: "John Collins" I found these in my desk at work. Apparently I had brought them in to mail out, but never got around to it. Anyway, the following cards still need a good home. First come, first serve: 1957 Topps: 91, 116, 153, 177, 195, 202. 1959 Topps: 302 Say the word and they are yours. ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:03:30 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960 Fleer # 80 From: Michael Wierzbicki Hi, Gang! Based on the input from the group, I will consider my 1960 Fleer set tentatively completed, but will continue to keep an eye out for #80 (Pepper Martin). Inspired by my dilemma and by the poetry contest from a few weeks ago, here is a brief ditty (with apologies to Baroness Orczy's "The Scarlet The Redbird Pepper-mill We seek them here, We seek them there. We OBCers seek them everywhere. Are they in Heaven? Are they in Hades? Those damned elusive number 80s. ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:17:08 EST Subject: $5 Shipping for 13 "Ancient" baseball cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- check out ebay # 1801772242 under the description of the lot- Isn't $5 a lot for shipping 13 "Ancient" baseball cards???? ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:20:05 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Where were you in '62?" To: marcpeter@juno.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Where was i in 1962...hmmm...9 years away from being born, 15 years before i saw my first baseball card, 16 years away from buying my first pack, 18 years from completing my first set, and 27 years away from my first online card trade, 28 years away from joining OBC.... ================= To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $5 Shipping for 13 "Ancient" baseball cards Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 15:14:39 -0800 From: "Al Cummings" I would bid taking the price of shipping into consideration ($3 less) and get it for a price I felt good about. Sometimes these dealer sleeze will try and make their money on the S&H end. But there is $10 value there and it is only $1 now. >From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] $5 Shipping for 13 "Ancient" baseball cards >Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 17:17:08 EST >hi- this is Linda- check out ebay # 1801772242 under the description of the >lot- Isn't $5 a lot for shipping 13 "Ancient" baseball cards???? >To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:34:18 EST Subject: 1st in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com It's time to thin out the dupes box a little. First, an oddball, what appears to be a Topps/K Mart 1982 Bob Gibson. Second, from 1965, Groat (275) and Franks (32). Much more to follow. ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:59:52 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Football collectors needed -OSC To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Do we need to change the name of this group to: oldsportscards.com? Even that could be misleading with all this talk of non-sports lately and my love of coke caps and publications; Bob Neill with cereal boxes, etc. That said, if anyone starts adding 1969-1976 FB (or BSKB or Hockey)( to their lists, LMK, as I have some deep dupe boxes available for trade. Steve cannot have all of the fun of hitting peoples lists. I even have some dealer scum sets or near sets available. Mike Rich ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Football collectors needed -OSC Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 18:26:40 -0500 From: "John Collins" My vote is to keep OBC "OBC." It has a nice familiar ring to it. OSC would be too much of an adjustment for me. Besides, as a baseball traditionalist and purist, it is my job to strongly resist change. Change OBC to "OSC?" Hey, come on...some of us are still trying to get used to the designated hitter and interleague play...... ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: srittenberg66@earthlink.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Football collectors needed -OSC Do we need to change the name of this group to: oldsportscards.com? Even that could be misleading with all this talk of non-sports lately and my love of coke caps and publications; Bob Neill with cereal boxes, etc. That said, if anyone starts adding 1969-1976 FB (or BSKB or Hockey)( to their lists, LMK, as I have some deep dupe boxes available for trade. Steve cannot have all of the fun of hitting peoples lists. I even have some dealer scum sets or near sets available. Mike Rich Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. ================= To: "ramblings" Subject: super bowl pool! :) Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:24:17 -0500 From: "Sean McGowan" Let's do this again. Last year I ran an OBC super bowl pool. To enter you just had to promise to *try* to hit the lists of the 4 winners. We had bunch of participants and sent some serious cardboard to the winners. To review what happened last year, go to: http://people.ne.mediaone.net/seankatie/pool.htm If you want in this year, email me asap. I will make a link on my webpage this years pool, and try to have it finalized by saturday night. If anyone access the web on the weekend, just let me know and I will email you the final numbers. So.... email me if you want in! Go Pats! ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 20:29:27 -0500 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $5 Shipping for 13 "Ancient" baseball cards From: Mark S Talbot Did you notice there is a reserve? $5 S&H and a reserve for 13 VG commons (Of course the seller claims these to average EX). Good Luck Linda!!! They are all yours. REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * jazzgirl1920s@aol.com wrote: > hi- this is Linda- check out ebay # 1801772242 under the description of the > lot- Isn't $5 a lot for shipping 13 "Ancient" baseball cards???? > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 22:27:42 EST Subject: Re: showtime -- the reason why we exist To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:27:21 EST, jdelott@aol.com writes: << I went to a show today and had my typical experience. I didn't get any of the key cards that I intended to get. Instead, I dropped a couple of hundred bucks on off grade cards, over 90% of which I already have or don't collect. Without OBC and VCT I'd have no reason for "wasting my time" as my wife puts Query: Are any of you sufficiently disciplined to buy only what you target? I can't remember the last time I DID bring my list to a show. There's a couple reasons for this. For one, I have it partially memorized ...most of the stuff I'm really concentrating on is down to a couple cards, so it's not as hard as you'd think. The bigger reason for never bringing my list - I can't say to myself "I'm going to pick up a 1949 Leaf Ted Williams and Spahn today to complete my set right here." You can never tell if anyone at the show is even going to have some of the key cards I'm looking for, never mind near my target price. (Usually if I see something I need, the price is too high or the condition too nice - usually both). I'll let the cards find me instead of dredging through the entire show only to be disappointed in the end. Another reason I don't stick to my list - why do I want to travel a great distance (ie. Ft. Washington is 5-1/2 hours away) to buy ONE card? For the same amount of money, I can buy several hundred low grade cards I don't need and make a bigger number of people happy... and who knows? Someone might send me one of the key cards I need out of the blue or through a trade for something else I buy instead. And another thing ...and a bunch of you have heard me say this in person - I really don't need anything. Most of the sets on my list now are there so it won't be blank or list just a handful of ultra-expensive cards (although some of you may argue that it does look like that now anyway). A lot of times I go to a show just to meet up with a bunch of you and swap stories, not cards. I try to get to Vegas every year for the annual OBC gathering. The amount of time spent swapping cards during the entire weekend is roughly 15 minutes... and I feel like it's almost a formality. "Let's get this swap session over with, so we can get on with the fun!" Hmm... I think I've gone off on a tangent here. Oh yeah, back to the show... why spend a bunch of time desperately looking for cards on your own list, when there's 100+ other people looking for you? TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Fw: If we all chip in, we could buy this! Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:12:06 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" Glenn gets ALL the credit for this one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Codere, Glenn To: Grant Rainsley (E-mail) ; Ken Morganti (E-mail) ; Steve Rittenberg (E-mail) Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: If we all chip in, we could buy this! Steve, Grant, Ken..... My work address isn't subscribed to the OBC lists. Could one of you please forward this to the rest of OBC before this item gets pulled? It's the funniest thing I've seen on Ebay for a while! This is one of the best lots I've ever seen on Ebay. I've seen it a number of times, and can categorically say its definitely in OBC (ie Tipton) condition! http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item1697670417 Common Services Agency Disclaimer The information contained in this message may be confidential or legally privileged and is intended for the addressee only. 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The unauthorised use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:29:12 EST Subject: ripped off on one of my most wanted cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com hi- this is Linda- One of my most wanted cards is the 1992 Sports Cards News Jim Thorpe # 26 insert card-i collect ANY modern cards of Thorpe and this one has eluded me for years--- i have only seen it once on ebay and i THOUGHT i had won it- ebay # 1056941263-i have looked for this card on ebay and at card shows and shops for years- well i won it on ebay and paid for it 3 weeks ago- the seller cashed my check and still no card despite the fact i have e-mailed them numerous times asking where my card is and gotten no reply- i have also writen them 2 letters with no reply=i really wanted this card- the seller is MC Business Solutionz- P O Box 149--- Trafford PA-15085--ok- sure i was a fool to bid on a card from a seller with 194 negative feedbacks- but since this is the ONLY time i have ever seen this card on ebay or anywhere else i thought it was worth the chance- i also won several other cards from them too at the same time and i haven't received them including a very rare Satchel Paige card i have never seen anywhere else that this outfit was selling-ebay # 1056942122-if any OBCer ever goes through Trafford ,PA- tell this MC Businees Solutions Linda Fitak wants the Jim Thorpe card i paid for but didn't receive- also if anyone has a dup of this card to send me i will send them a 1966 topps hi # 580-Billy Williams-which is worth a lot more than my winning bid of 50 cents on the Thorpe card- thanks, linda ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Oddball requests Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 14:46:51 -0500 From: "James Moleta" I just won a large group of Isaly's & Sweet William Family disks (circa '76?) on ebay. I know there are at least a couple OBCers that collect these, so if you step up and email your lists to me or to the server, I will try to hit you when they arrive. Also, if you are interested in one as an oddball type card or for a HOMer collection, let me know that as well. Thanks, Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Paypal help needed Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:19:54 -0500 From: "Steve Rittenberg" I am thinking about upgrading my Paypal account from a Personal account to a Premier Account so that i can receive credit card payments (so far its only been from other OBCers). I need to hear back from someone who has already done this. Question: If you have a premier account, are you charged a fee for all incoming payments, even if funded from another Paypal account. In fact, I want to test this and send $1.00 to someone with a Premier account from my paypal account and find out if fees are charged. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:10:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fw: If we all chip in, we could buy this! From: "david_skoglund_mn" It is gone. What was it? ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:23:53 EST Subject: 2nd in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com 1969s for the asking: 13, 14, 19, 23, 26, 34, 53, 56, 58, 59, 66, 68, 77, 93, 97, 111, 125, 151, 252, 156, 158, 173, 178, 186, 201, 204, 208, 227, 251, 266, 279, 309, 328, 331, 351, 206, 365, 417, 418, 423, 595, 652. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:27:38 EST Subject: 3rd in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com I have about 100 1968's in VG up to # 384 for the asking. I don't have the time to write out the numbers because I have a condo meeting in an hour or so. ================= To: Subject: Book Report and Website Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:31:11 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Just finished reading "The Catcher Was a Spy", about the life of Moe Berg, a catcher who had a very mediocre career from 1923 to 1939. Not your basic baseball book, this guy was a fascinating personality, spoke a whole mess of languages, and went on to become a spy for the OSS during WW11. Can be dry at times, but a great read nonetheless. I would offer to send it out, but it was loaned to me. Moe had a couple of Goudey cards, one of which is on display at FBI headquarters. If anyone happens to have a dupe of Moe from the 1995 Conlon Collection (#1350), I'd love to put it in the book as a bookmark when I return it. As for the website, try out www.thedeadballera.com Great but somewhat macabre site. You could spend hours in there, so beware! ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 19:50:42 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bowman Reprint Books? From: Dan Austin Anyone have any feedback for this guy? >From: "Tom McRoberts" >To: >Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2002 08:59:27 -0500 >Mr. Austin, >I saw your name on the oldbaseball.com member list and thought I'd send a >I've been trying for years to learn if any books have ever been published >that have replicas of the Bowman baseball, football or basketball cards >from the late 40's into the mid-50's. >I know there are books available with reproductions of the Topps cards but >I'm an old-timer (62) who would like to once again see the images that >meant so much to me as a child. >If you know of any such publications or know of someone who might be able >to help, I'd appreciate hearing about it. >I'm a semi-retired sportswriter and I covered the Reds during the Big Red >Machine days. It was quite an experience. >Thanks for listening. >Tom McRoberts >Middletown, Ohio Dan Austin - dan@iamdanaustin.com Visit me at http://iamdanaustin.com "How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world." - William Shakespeare ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:35:30 -0500 To: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, Subject: TEST TEST From: Mark S Talbot Hello All, I know that these test have become annoying but Marshall and Keith are having troubles with the egroup accounts bouncing. I have attempted to reset these accounts. Marshall and Keith - you should receive (4) emails - one from each group. Contact me if this test was successful or not. Thanks to all others for your patience!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK OBC - egroup moderator "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * ================= To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ripped off on one of my most wanted cards Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:52:25 -0500 From: "galtemos" Hi Linda, Trafford, PA cannot be too far from New York. We have some very intense people here, and we might have to visit this guy for you. > From: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ripped off on one of my most wanted cards > Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:29 PM > hi- this is Linda- One of my most wanted cards is the 1992 Sports Cards > Jim Thorpe # 26 insert card-i collect ANY modern cards of Thorpe and this > has eluded me for years--- i have only seen it once on ebay and i THOUGHT > had won it- ebay # 1056941263-i have looked for this card on ebay and at > shows and shops for years- well i won it on ebay and paid for it 3 weeks > the seller cashed my check and still no card despite the fact i have > them numerous times asking where my card is and gotten no reply- i have > writen them 2 letters with no reply=i really wanted this card- the seller > MC Business Solutionz- P O Box 149--- Trafford PA-15085--ok- sure i was a > fool to bid on a card from a seller with 194 negative feedbacks- but > this is the ONLY time i have ever seen this card on ebay or anywhere else > thought it was worth the chance- i also won several other cards from them > at the same time and i haven't received them including a very rare > Paige card i have never seen anywhere else that this outfit was > # 1056942122-if any OBCer ever goes through Trafford ,PA- tell this MC > Businees Solutions Linda Fitak wants the Jim Thorpe card i paid for but > didn't receive- also if anyone has a dup of this card to send me i will > them a 1966 topps hi # 580-Billy Williams-which is worth a lot more than > winning bid of 50 cents on the Thorpe card- thanks, linda > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:12:28 EST Subject: 5th in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com 3 6 13 24 26 32 38 43 46 49 61 66 67 85 86 97 99 111 114 115 118 120 122 125 139 142 152 154 170 176 184 187 196 190 195 202 203 206 214 219 252 256267 293 When requesting, please include address. ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 09:01:54 EST Subject: Re: ripped off on one of my most wanted cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com In a message dated 1/30/02 7:03:49 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << the seller is MC Business Solutionz- P O Box 149--- Trafford PA-15085--ok- sure i was a fool to bid on a card from a seller with 194 negative feedbacks >> File a complaint with the post office. I'm sure they'd like to know all about soemone who's using a PO Box to rip off at least 200 people. The local district attorney, state police and BBB can also be contacted. It also might help to contact some of the other people who have posted negatives and see if they want to file complaints against this crook too. Good luck, Ken M ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ripped off on one of my most wanted cards Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 06:02:56 -0800 From: Steve Carter I make sure I copy the jerk who ripped me off too, just to show them what I'm up to in reporting their fraud. It's gotten more than one deadbeat to send me my stuff. -----Original Message----- From: cardclctor@aol.com [mailto:cardclctor@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 8:02 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ripped off on one of my most wanted cards In a message dated 1/30/02 7:03:49 AM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: << the seller is MC Business Solutionz- P O Box 149--- Trafford PA-15085--ok- sure i was a fool to bid on a card from a seller with 194 negative feedbacks >> File a complaint with the post office. I'm sure they'd like to know all soemone who's using a PO Box to rip off at least 200 people. The local district attorney, state police and BBB can also be contacted. It also might help to contact some of the other people who have posted negatives and see they want to file complaints against this crook too. Good luck, Ken M To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:58:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anyone collect RC Cola baseball cans? From: "david_skoglund_mn" We're in the process of reorganizing our basement to create a play area for our 2 year old daughter. For the last couple of years the basement has just been a dumping ground for stuff. We're finding lots of things we forgot we owned. It's amazing what you find when you clean. Anyway... I found a bunch of RC Cola cans from the 70s with baseball players on them. I haven't actually looked in the box yet to figure out what year or years the cans are. I'll look at some scans on eBay to figure out which style is which year. If anyone out there collects these, send me a list of what you need and I'll see if I can help. Or, if someone wants to start a collection of these things I'll just send you the whole box (minus any individual wantlist hits for others). Just let me know. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Prez.... Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 13:44:56 -0800 From: "John Collins" Hey everybody, Just got back in the office from standing on the corner of 4th street and Poplar here in Winston-Salem, where 10 minutes ago, President Bush and his motorcade drove by no more than 10 feet in front of me. Luckily, myself and a group of co-workers picked the right street (behind the building he was speaking at) and even the right side of the road to stand on, allowing me to catch a close up glimpse of George W. for a brief moment, albeit through the tinted bulletproof limo window, he was smiling and waving enthusiastically to the crowd -- my little thrill for the day. Okay, so I know that this technically has nothing to do with baseball or cards -- but wait, Bush did own the Texas Rangers for a time. I even have a video that I recorded of a game 10 years ago (Ryan was pitching...I recorded every game that was broadcast when he was pitching) and the camera panned the seats to show a young George W. Bush sitting in the boxes muching on peanuts, wearing shirtsleeves and sporting much darker and thicker hair.......how things have changed ! If you read any of the press profiles on Bush during the campaign, some of you may also know that during his youth he was a rabid baseball card collector...often sending cards away to players for an autograph with a return envelope long before that practive became common. Like many of us, however Bush said he no longer has those cards. It seems he blames one former First Lady (and First Mom) for their ultimate Irrespective of political views or party loyalties.......George W. is my kind of guy !! My "executive ramble" for the day..... ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:06:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 Bowman - Ted Williams From: "david_skoglund_mn" Recent eBay winning that just came in the mail. I know a couple of you have seen it since there were some OBC people bidding. I don't think anyone from this group was the high bidder when I bid. I tried to check. Anyway, it is a card that has to be seen to be believed. I've added it to my Tipton page. http://www.geocities.com/david_skoglund_mn/tipton.htm ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 17:17:12 EST Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Politics aside...why don't we send the president some OBC type cards?...tell him we read about the demise of his collection and hope he enjoys some cards from his youth. OBC makes it to the White House? ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:30:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay: "Excellent" condition 1951 Bowman Mantle From: "david_skoglund_mn" http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1801725779 ================= To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:32:34 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" ....and just for a laugh, we could give 'em a good coating of talc! ps Satire lives! -----Original Message----- From: Wite3@aol.com [mailto:Wite3@aol.com] Sent: 30 January 2002 22:17 To: jcollins12@triad.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Prez.... Politics aside...why don't we send the president some OBC type cards?...tell him we read about the demise of his collection and hope he enjoys some cards from his youth. OBC makes it to the White House? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Jay Publishing 5x7s Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:01:13 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" Has anyone out there in OBC Land had any experience with Jay Publishing 5x7 player photos? These are the black & white photos that were packaged in "Picture Packs" from the late 50s to the mid 60s. I've managed to put together a reasonable collection of a Tigers over the past few years, but I've often wondered......how often do you actually see them? There's nearly 1500 different photos out there, but you don't see them on ebay too much (and those that are there are overpriced). Do you ever see these at card shows? I'm considering branching into collecting these, and would appreciate any input from my esteemed brethren (and sisteren). Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Sorry..... Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 23:05:08 -0000 From: "Glenn Codere" I've been quietly advised that my little jest about talc might go down like a lead balloon with some out there. If so, I unreservedly apologise. Having spent nearly 30 years in Great Britain (20 working within the National Health Service), I've been exposed to, and have built up a great appreciation of extremely dark, very sarcastic humor. I do realise that this genre doesn't often strike a chord with North Americans, and sometimes I'm guilty of forgetting this fact. Injecting humor into otherwise humorless situations is a very British way of dealing with uncomfortable circumstances, and its something which almost comes as second nature to me. Making light of a situation however, does not mean that I'm blind to its gravity. So, for those of you who appreciated my comment for what it is....thanks for For those of you who may have found it unpalatable, or who may have taken some offence.....please accept my apologies. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: interesting site Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 18:38:15 -0500 From: "John Collins" The following is taken from an article on professional card grading that I found This is a fairly interesting site -- seems the guy sells some stuff and hasa passion for listing different ebay users who has burned him in the past or those who "severely overgrade" (always a fun conversation topic for me, as you know). Anyway, I thought you may find it amusing. Especially the part about starting your own grading service. Maybe OBC should do that? Larry Tipton could be the CEO / Chief Card Examiner. Cards that grade Tipton Mint could be "sealed" in a scratchy card saver with the grade written in crayon on a stained post-it note........anybody with any other ideas, andI would appreciate hearing them. Enjoy the following: Let's say I decide I too want to cash in on the graded card market and start my own grading service. First I will need a name... let's see... how about Sports Cards Always Mint, or SCAM for short. Catchy, no? Alright. I got my company name, my "Grading For Dummies" book, my equipment (old screwdowns, Super Glue, and Hello Kitty stickers), and I am ready to go after my piece of the pie much like The Jeffersons before me. Of course I have a huge uphill battle ahead of me to get business away fromthe "big three", not to mention all of the other bottom feeding grading services. I need some targeted advertising that will effectively speak to my desired demographic. I know now what it is that I must do. I write "SCAM.COM" on my buttocks in indelible ink, using my curiously symmetrical sphincter for the dot, and do a little dance for a television audience of millions before security from the Pope's entourage escorts me off the Vatican balcony. Pleased with my mugshot, I negotiate a licensing fee for use of the image in future advertising campaigns and then promptly skip bail. Having relocated in a predominantly Islamic community I can now return to the business at hand without fear of further religious prosecution. Low and behold, I actually manage to get some results (largely from athiests for some odd reason) and cards start creeping in here at SCAM's world wide headquarters, also known as my parent's basement. So now what? Here I am looking at a card which I believe to be a solid NRMT-MT, so I give it a SCAM 8, right? Wait. If I do that, is this customer going to come back to SCAMthe next time they are in the market to grade an XFL cheerleader card? Whywould they pick me over anyone else? After all there are a couple of established graders in the market with a reputation for being fair and accurate.Now if I were to cough up a Gem Mint 10, that would make the customer happy and much more likely to come back. Hmmm. What to do, what to do... and I can't think about this too long either. Naturally I had to undercut the competition in terms of price. When you factor in the slabs, welder, microscope, computer, printer, utilities, office supplies, payroll, and everything else... I have to accurately grade and slab a card in roughly 13 seconds to turn a profit and feed my $56.00 dollars a day s'mores habit. Damn you, Samuel Graham, damn you I say! Anyhow... do you see where I am going with this, or did you get hung up on the part about my Gem Mint 10 sphincter? My point is many of these "other" grading companies are struggling to find a way to compete in an already fartoo crowded market place. Prices amongst these companies are already so low (TFA charges as low as $3.00 a card) that there isn't much, if any, room to cut. A number of these companies have tried to innovate in order to stand out from the pack. AGS has a top view slab which allows you to identify the card while in the storage box, CTA boasts of having the first computer generated grading system, PGS provides you with complimentary scans of your cards for quicker listing for sale on the internet. While many other examples exist, none of these innovations appear to have made any real dent in the "big three". So what can these companies do to attract new business and reap incremental business? How about make their customers more money by providing a service that the "big three" don't provide... consistently liberal grades, Gem Mint 10 grades, that will capture more on auction than a BGS, PSA, or SGC NRMT-MT copy would. To date no one is explicitly advertising just how loose their grading is, but some are coming amazingly close to doing so. Most notably is MGS, who let you specify what grade you want on your cards and if they don't meet it, you only pay $1.00 instead of their normal fee. It all makes good business sense until you stop to savor the irony of it all and realize professional grading services came about to eliminate biased, liberal grading practices. John C. Collins ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:06:32 EST Subject: 6th in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com Please note that my neglecting to respond to requests does not mean that the cards have been claimed. I'm merely waiting until all "series" are emailed, and I figure out who gets what. With that in mind: 296, 282, 277, 202 and 83. ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:10:55 EST Subject: 7th in a series To: vct@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com 436, 455, 432, 415, 372, 244, 232, 161, 116, 87. ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 20:18:44 EST Subject: 8th and final in a series To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com 192 187 180 173 153 147 146 142 141 129 118 114 113 105 104 76 69 52 37 22. You know what to do. ================= Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] interesting site Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:04:11 -0500 To: "OBC Ramblings" From: Matthew Glidden On 1/30/02 6:38 PM, John Collins said: >Maybe OBC should do that? Larry Tipton could be the CEO / Chief Card >Examiner. Cards that grade Tipton Mint could be "sealed" in a scratchy >card saver with the grade written in crayon on a stained post-it >note........anybody with any other ideas, and I would appreciate hearing >them. Enjoy the following: Hey all, It's funny John brought this up, some OBCer always seems to joke about coming with a roll of masking tape and a crayon every time there's going to be a show with a multiple OBC presence. I figure you need a stack of plastics, the roll of masking tape, the crayon, and the Tipton mint condition guide and you're set. Next show, I vow! We shall sit as judge and jury! OBC: Because every card is "one of one" ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 02:43:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tribute to a special lady in my life From: "rayluurs" I grew up in a family and an era where hard work was the norm and that there was no time for frivoulos hobbies as "card collecting". And while my parents let me do it .......it was thought of as wasting my money or as dad would say "a fool and his mony soon parted." The reason I am writing this rambling is because of an aunt I had who stood up and allowed me to be a kid and reminded them that we had kids so they wouldnt have the same life they did but a better one. Eveytime we woul visit them (both my uncle and aunt) they would make sure they made time to see what was going on in our lives too not just my folks. She always looked through my cards asking me about certain player and how they were doing that year or what my favorite teams was doing and being an avid sports fans she wasnt just wasnt take up time to make us feel good........she was genuinely interested. Today we buried her after a short but toturous bout with cancer. I would like everyone to know my Aunt Bettyecause along with my parents hard work ethic shaped my life as I know it. She taught me that it was ok to be a kid even at age 48 and that if you truly loved it ...it wasnt a waste fo time. I know you all had people like that that shaped you lives also and like I said before I wanted you guys to know her. It wasnt ironic today when the minister talked about her last hours on earth that she was listening the basketball game of the local high school and her last words were "if the boys cold only hit their free throws they be in it." She truly was a special person. thanks for listening ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 22:26:30 -0500 (EST) To: "OBC Ramblings" Subject: Black Hawk Down From: Neal Thomas Hi all- Now I am as far from being a military guy as there is, except that I once filled out an application to Annapolis in High School (but never sent it in). I've always respected military people for the things they do. But Terri and I went to see Black Hawk Down tonight, and since I heard some of the guys who were protrayed in the movie say that it was about 75% accurate, all I can say is WOW. If you haven't seen this movie, do yourself a favor and get to it. It is a movie that won't soon be forgotten. To the military guys in our group, Matt and Geno and anyone else I missed--THANKS! You guys deserve every bit of respect and gratitude ================= To: "Ramblings" Subject: Interesting bit of Yaz trivia Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:43:25 -0700 From: "Todd Knowles" Did you know....... In the movie "The Shining", Shelley Duvall's character bludgeons Jack Nicholson's "Here's Johnny" with a Carl Yastrzemski model bat? Pretty cool! I read the book many, many years ago, so I can't remember if it made mention of the Yaz model bat, but knowing Stephen King and his love of the Red Sox, it wouldn't surprise me. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 10:24:21 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Passing this on to the group.... From: Neal Thomas Hi all- This came from Taylor Schock, an OCT trader. Seems like this lady is looking for some cards of her father to pass on to the family. Sounds like something we could help her out with, huh? Thanks, ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Lauren Davis" To: "Taylor Schock" Subject: RE: Re: looking for a topps 1961 commons card Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 21:55:38 -0500 Thank you so much for taking the time to look for my dad's card. I would love for you to post my info with your group of card traders. I'm basically only looking for additional copies of my dad's card...the family has been growing fast in the past few years and I want to make sure my nieces and nephews (as well as my own kids one day) have some of their grandfather's cards. I used to collect cards with my dad...mostly cards from the 50's and 60's...I have a very nice, even though very small collection...I even have an old 1911 tobacco card of Chistie Matthewson...as well as stars of the 1980's...I was a big Mets fan growing up. I can't believe all the trading and buying/selling that goes on on the internet for baseball cards. My dad and I used to have to wait for baseball card shows to come to the area or go to local stores to find cards...I guess I've become a few years behind the times. My contact info is: Lauren Davis 37 West 12th Street New York, NY 10011 Looking for Topps 1961, #246 VG /excellent or better condition Thank you for everything! Lauren Davis ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 18:57:16 -0500 To: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, Subject: TEST From: Mark S Talbot You have been "unbounced" from the egroups. You should receive all 4 messages from the groups. LMK if you do not? BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------------------- MARK OBC egroups moderator "Live long and prosper" - Spock * Mark S. Talbot * * 34030 Chatsworth Drive * * Sterling Heights, MI. * * 48312-4604 * * talbot1@home.com * ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 19:05:07 EST Subject: '58 hit To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@yahoogroups.com From: jdelott@aol.com The friar sent a 1958 Jim Finigan, as that year's WL continues to make steady progress. Thanks much. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Subject: Windows XP Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 16:22:06 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Has anyone out there done an upgrade to Windows XP? I got the program for Christmas but haven't gotten around to installing it yet. What should I belooking out for? Any help is appreciated. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: close to home Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:30:02 From: "jeff sinclair" guys, i have a sad story to share. we live in a suburb of pittsburgh, sort of small townish where everybody knows everybody. suz grew up here and me a few towns away (10 minutes). we bought our house about two years ago on a street with great neighbors. the family across from us seemed nice but very close. i had talked with the father (clarence) but i had never so much as seen the wife (lynn) in two years. suz had seen her once. they have a son, 25,(barry)who is very! withdrawn. anyhow, tuesday night, really wednesday morning i arrived home from my bowling night to find police/emergency vehicles in front of my house. an officer that i knew informed me that clarence had passed away. then the news that all of us typically only see on the 11:00 news. the house conditions were deplorable. garbage is piled waist deep in every room. the ceilings are collapsed. what the health inspector termed portable urinals were found throughout (imagine the worst). the stench is overbearing (they NEVER had a window or the door opened, and the curtains were always drawn shut). the house has been condemned and rodent infestation notices have been posted. lynn is in the hospital for severe alcoholism and barry is being evaluated. we all suspected that something wasn't quite right but had no idea. they put garbage out every week on pick-up night etc.. i feel ill knowing that this was happening right in front of me and i never saw it. we all do on the street. if we had been more aware maybe we could have helped. the oldtimers are pretty shook up. i mean, their children played together 10,15 years ago. they have a 33 year old daughter also who i guess gave up trying to help several years ago. i'm guessing the house will be leveled, nobody wanted to go in without full body suits and the electric service was disconnected today. we have to keep our garbage away from our homes and watch our pets until they get the rodents under control. this is a green grass and gardens neighborhood guys. how could this happen without us knowing? have we all become so out of touch with our fellow man because we're so BUSY?? i'm just sad and sickened. thanks for listening. Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 22:04:41 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Forwarded from EEK From: Mark S Talbot Subject: FYI to OBC from EEK Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 21:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: OriginalEEK@webtv.net (Earl Kilbourn) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com For the last couple days messages sent to me from the yahoo groups have been bouncing, probably due to my mail box being too full. Mark has been patiently (I think) trying to get me up and running again now that I cleared space in my mail box. Since I haven't gotten messages the past couple days I really feel out of the loop. Looking forward to my 20 to 30 messages each day. I appreciate those OBCer's who have contacted me so I haven't had to go completely "cold turkey". We keep what we give away! ================= Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 01:10:25 EST Subject: (no subject) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dcbbl@aol.com After Reading John's note on grading services..and the SCAM idea...I thought I would ask my usual question..... When you upgrade a card graded Tipton Mint.....Which direction do you go? ================= Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 02:55:01 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Forwarded for Keith From: Mark S Talbot I haven't been receiving the group emails the last 2 days even though "MY GROUPS" at Yahoo shows I am subscribed & not bouncing. BTW, 428 beats the Nov 2001 record of 397 with still 3 days left! Anyone interested in some 1996-2000 football game programs from West Virginia University (Mountaineer Illustrated)? I have 10 mags total in nice shape (Rutgers/Miami (2)/ Tulsa/ Idaho/ VaTech/ Boston College/ Syracuse/ 1 alumni/ 1 athletic club). Anyone want to split the $9.99 lot of 70 & 71 Supers on ebay? All I want is the #36 Ollie, Bert & Niekro. Last time I checked it was $9.99+$5 S&H=$14.99 for 21 (or 27) cards. The seller has no negative feedback. I think it has Flood, Aparicio (sp?), Tommy Davis, 2 Colberts & a Yankee (Peterson or Stottelmyre?) to name 6. Email me & I'll send the auction I saved. If I owe you, email me your wants so I can try to get the ones you need in the deal, with whoever I split it
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